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During the July 4th weekend, Joe Biden announced the good news that America is reopening, exactly at the moment the delta variant exploded from Missouri to much of the south.

Just after the Labor Day weekend, two months laater, Biden announced mandatory vaccine mandates to fight the delta surge, just as the delta wave clearly began to recede.

Three day weekends can confuse analysis of trends, so the Delta surge wasn’t undeniable until a few days after Biden’s speech,

Conversely, by Friday September 10, it appears that the Delta Surge is fading nationally as southern states that were hit hard are running out of fresh meat and outside temperatures are dropping into the tolerable range.

Meanwhile Northern states with high vaccination rates are reaching ideal outdoors weather with fewer mosquitos.

For example, Greene County, Missouri, home of county seat Springfield, was one of the first places to be slammed by the delta virus.

For example, from the New Yorker:

The Struggle to Vaccinate Springfield, Missouri
COVID cases continue to rise, but many residents remain reluctant to get the vaccine.
By Peter Slevin

August 6, 2021

but new cases in Springfield/Greene County have declined dramatically in recent weeks.

It appears to be that once new case counts per day get about 0.1% per day (3.0% per week, 36% per years), locals hunker down and do what it takes to keep from getting much worse, even getting themselves vaccinated. Moreover, herd immunity begins to tighten as large numbers have antibodies either from vaccinations or from natural infections.

 
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  1. tyrone says:

    It’s more about punishing his political enemies than fighting delta ……exempting postal worker is the tell.

  2. @tyrone

    Except the exempting postal workers didn’t have happen, as a another commenter pointed out.

  3. Bert says:

    So politicians are tardily reactive. A better example than Biden’s stumbling is the lack of any advocacy for early treatment from the politicians. DeSantis has provided a minor exception by recommending monoclonal antibody early treatment, but there are many additional prophylactic measures and early treatment methods that have never been investigated by executives nor legislators. In the absence of leadership from the CDC, NIH and FDA, the responsibility to vet and advocate prophylactic measures and early treatment protocols falls on the shoulders of elected officials. They have all failed to meet their responsibilities.

    An example of how simple early treatment can be is this study using providone-iodine to reduce viral replication at the initial site of infection, the upper airway. Treatment group death rate = 0.66%. Control group death rate =5.61%

    https://www.bioresearchcommunications.com/index.php/brc/article/view/176/159

    • Agree: Ben tillman, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Socratic Dog
  4. El Dato says:

    Let’s see how this ages.

    COVID-19 is basically “The Cube” and it will arrange itself around you to give you a hard time.

    • Replies: @JimB
  5. Anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    There’s a continuing dust-up about whether the 1st world is “hoarding” vaccine, depriving the 3rd world, AKA Africa, of it.

    The idea is that the West should send a lot of refrigerated containers of vials to African countries and they would get Africans vaccinated PDQ. LOL.

    Well, Africa is losing patience, has become completely fed up, and boy are they going to fix our wagons:

    Unsurprisingly, African nations have registered their anger, with pleas this week from African leaders, the Mandela-inspired Elders group and African NGOs for vaccine equity. Concluding that they can no longer rely on the west’s promises, they set up their own bulk-purchasing agency, and are now intent on building their own vaccine manufacturing capability.

    Africa is going to buy their own vaccine, rather than wait for handouts from Daddy WHO? And build their own domestic pharmaceutical industry so they won’t be reliant on Western charity?

    I think we better send them vaccine before they get reckless and carry out these threats!!! Who knows what else they may threaten: Building their own roads, communications, utilities. Building up agriculture to feed their own people? The world could get really crazy really fast if we don’t cave in and send them vaccine.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/09/west-vaccine-doses-covid-production

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @aj54
  6. dearieme says:

    His Excellency Mr Trump, President of the USA, was less awful than His Senility Mr Biden.

    Biden should have stuck to groping wee girls and their mothers.

  7. George says:

    Legend has it that every year, just before the Nile flooded Pharaoh would make a public show of commanding the waters to rise. This would cement Pharaoh’s place in maintaining order in the world.

  8. Herd Immunity by COVID mRNA vaccinations is a myth. Israel is proof of that.

  9. rienzi says:

    The covid vaccines evidently don’t prevent you from getting the disease, don’t prevent you from giving it to others, and don’t seem to do much in the way of abating symptoms.

    So, in order to protect myself and others from the scourge of this horrible plague, which has a 99.9999% survival rate in healthy adults I should let myself be injected with an experimental gene therapy which has been rushed to market with no proper animal or human testing, and whose middle and long term effects on my health are completely unknown.

    I believe that this is what we used to call a sucker bet. W.C. Fields fleecing the rubes at the county fair.

  10. KenH says:

    even getting themselves vaccinated

    Maybe but I doubt it. My area saw a surge in cases but vaccinations did not dramatically increase. Nobody is asking why in 2020 at this time COVID cases and hospitalizations were steady or in decline without a vaccine yet this year cases they both spiked during a time of year when they shouldn’t. I think the claim that the mRNA vaccines are causing COVID to mutate faster into more transmissible and possibly deadly strains is probably the best explanation.

    The wicked unvaccinated are probably getting COVID from the vaccinated who are carriers of these more virulent strains. We’re also seeing more “breakthrough”cases where vaccinated people are getting COVID and becoming hospitalized as the antibodies from the vaccine weaken.

    The corrupt medical industry needs to start treating people with therapeutics like HCQ and Ivermectin among other things that, based on empirical evidence, seem to be highly effective at arresting and reversing COVID symptoms. It worked for Joe Rogan and it just worked for a friend of mine who managed to find a doctor who placed him on a regimen that included Ivermectin.

  11. ken says:

    My wife works for the federal govt, signed a form and poof, doesn’t have to get vaccinated. Kind of shocking, the mainstream media doesn’t always tell you the full story.

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @V. Hickel
  12. Barnard says:

    Any explanation for the way the graph looks in Scotland? After a quick spike in July new cases started dropping rapidly, but now have gone even higher than that peak. Looks like a high number of breakthrough hospitalizations there too.

  13. Mike Tre says:

    Can someone please provide an example of the last time a respiratory virus was responsible for a surge in infections/hospitalizations/deaths in the summertime? Because cases of influenza and the common cold, etc all seem to peak in the winter months.

    Because nothing I am being told by my highbrow closet dwellers or in the news remotely lines up with what I am seeing out in the real world. No one is sick, no one is missing work, and no one is dying. Truck drivers, laborers, tradesmen, not exactly in a sanitized environment and I see the same faces everyday getting the work done. It’s been this way the last 18 months. The high school has started cancelling things again, the homecoming football game for one, and not a single kid in the large school district has died of kovid since it all began. Going back 3 school years now that’s around 6,000 kids.

    Does anyone remember when the most prudent action to take when addressing a situation was to have the courage to do nothing? Not a single person in government, elected or otherwise, has that courage anymore.

  14. Our State has been SWAMPED, SWAMPED, I tell, you, by the Common Cold – at least that’s what we think it is with our elem. school boy, though my wife first suspected the Delta-one-niner. She even got me a little worried about getting virus down into my lungs, as my boy did cough straight into my face from 2 ft, to where I could feel the blast a couple of times.

    Though he missed a few days of school that he isn’t too enamored with anymore, what with the masks still, the plexiglass, and the stickers, we were not distracted from everyday life by the PanicFest, Season 3. That’s because we don’t have a TV and don’t get sucked in by the 24/7 bombardment of bullshit.

    And, Joe Biden can still go fuck himself.

    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @MGB
    , @El Dato
    , @TomSchmidt
  15. MGB says:

    So herd immunity is tightening in a Missouri county known for its relative vaccine hesitancy, herd immunity being the product of natural immunity and vaccinations, leading to a dramatic decline in cases in the past few weeks in that same county. Remind me again, how is it the vaccine that doesn’t prevent transmission or infection, but allegedly helps prevent more severe symptoms, is contributing to herd immunity?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  16. MGB says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    And, Joe Biden can still go fuck himself.

    Enough with the elder abuse.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @JimB
    , @Reg Cæsar
  17. El Dato says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    IFR rate of 0.3% [that’s 3 out of thousand who get infected eventually pop the clog, latest US number, and I don’t know about “Long COVID” numbers], hospitals filling up and “everyone will eventually get it” is truthfully NOT the common cold that I know about, Achmed.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  18. gent says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Wrong, at least partially. They’re being treated as a private company rather than federal contractors, meaning they can opt for weekly tests. Also, congress and their staffers are exempt.

  19. Steve, here’s the thing: You rightly touted how you were against the Iraq War from the get-go. At that time, I myself didn’t see the point but was still of the (erroneous) mindset that “well, those guys at the top have got to know something we don’t.”. You have shown your readers daily the ridiculous narratives that are constantly being spread by the Lyin’ Press, for many years.

    Yet, a year and a half ago, for MONTHS, you would tell us* about wearing face masks, flattening curves, staying inside, times that germs stay on surfaces, viral loads, contagiousness, and so on. You were acting like the EXPERTS like Anthony Fauci and the CDC knew best and any doubters of the narrative were idiot “flu-bro” hoaxers.

    You have been much more reasonable and questioning since possibly about the time of those telephoto beach shots. I am glad are open to changing your views on this subject, as the real story has come to light. However, it’s the RESPONSE that’s the big story, not the virus.

    You are living with this 9/11 response 2.0 ALL ABOUT YOU, Steve! 20 years ago, you asked things like “Why are we going to war with Iraq, and why are we letting in MORE Moslems, and searching up the pants of White American grannies at the airport?” (OK, maybe not the latter, but you’re not a Constitutionalist.) I see you are wondering “How can they let millions of COVID-infested illegal aliens in, when …?” That’s a good start, I guess.

    How about: Could this response of unprecedented LOCKDOWNS, dehumanizing face-diapering, mandatory vaccinations, and general Totalitarianism be the response in order to “never let a crisis go to waste”, just as the creation of Motherland Security, More Middle East wars!, and “bring in the refugees from the MME Wars” was the same after 9/11 the first go-around?

    .

    * At some point, April ’20 or so, I would just scan your titles, as not one in 5 post would be about anything but this Kung Flu PanicFest. I quit reading most of it.

  20. Gamecock says:

    Delta Wave Petering Out Just as Biden Cracks Down

    Fascists want to see their government take decisive action. It DOES NOT MATTER if it is the wrong thing to do. iSteve comments on the efficacy of Biden’s action, but it is the action that is important to the Left.

  21. Travis says:

    Who cares about cases. Has anyone noticed that deaths from CV are higher this September compared to 2020 ?

    16,000 Americans have died from CV over the last ten days compared to just 7,300 dying in the first 10 days of September 2020. Hospitalizations are now triple the levels of a year-ago. It appears the medical treatments are helping people survive their hospital stays, yet deaths are 120% higher than last September. Many want to credit the vaccines for saving lives, but they clearly do not prevent hospitalizations. It is mostly the better treatments which are preventing deaths in the hospitals today , yet deaths are still higher September. Probably due to a combination of the new variants and the fading efficacy of the vaccines.


    The known problem with non-sterilizing vaccines, they do not prevent infections. This increases the risk of new variants developing which completely evade the vaccines. This appears to have occurred, with the new Lambda and Mu variants. The inventor of mRNA vaccines warned about this and is the reason he advised against mass inoculations. For the same reason over prescribing antibiotics has resulted in antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria. The vaccinated can contract and spread CV, thus they are now spreading the vaccine resistant variants of CV resulting in more hospitalizations and double the COVID deaths in September 2021 than 2020.

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  22. @tyrone

    I’m sure it’s partly punishing enemies even if postal workers aren’t exempt (I’ve read one official say that confusion was based on their not falling under the government worker order as a supposed independent entity, but they do fall under the big employer one), but I also think it’s to distract from the Afghanistan debacle, Bideninflation which is really starting to bite, and other disasters, “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up.” as Obama was credibly claimed to have said during the 2020 primary season.

    Also seen claims he pledged to fix the COVID mess, which as our host notes went in reverse after Delta arrived in the US, so this can be seen as action towards that end even if Delta and “vaccine hesitancy” in the Red state heartland aren’t his fault, and he’s a day late and a dollar short in acting on it. Which again suggests it’s political, not “following the science.”

    • Troll: Yancey Ward
  23. @Achmed E. Newman

    Steve had some very good posts concerning CV last but he stopped noticing the fatality rate soon after the data from the Diamond Princess confirmed a very low fatality rate. He did not notice that just 24 members of our military died from Covid in 2020, with over 100,000 cases among our military forces for a case fatality rate of 1 in 5,000 or .02%

  24. There is no variant, there is no virus.
    The vaccine IS the virus.
    Let’s all open our eyes.

  25. Anon[441] • Disclaimer says:

    Guaranteed Mu death wave ca. Autumn 2021 as air gets drier. ‘Twill resembleth World War 2.

  26. J.Ross says:

    So Joe has been reliably wrong, even when doing nothing would prove right later. Is there something in his less than a year of office he has gotten right?

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  27. J.Ross says:

    Folks have gotta understand. There’s a new plan, and everyone benefits. We are going to put the coronavirus in charge of dealing with the coronavirus. They have been businesslike and fair-minded, though their lack of diversity is troubling. All the Americans who want to escape coronavirus will, escape in those cases where they die anyway. But there’s not that many of those. No numbers. We have provided the coronavirus with a list of our most vulnerable targets and asked them nicely to not kill people any more. Also, our entire national stock of medical equipment now belongs to the coronavirus.

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
  28. AndrewR says:
    @Steve Sailer

    OT:

    Flight from White

    CNN couldn’t resist using the 20th anniversary of one of the worst days in US history to demonize white people

    They also use this opportunity to equate January 6th 2021 with the 9/11 attacks

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/06/opinions/9-11-anniversary-white-privilege-obeidallah/index.html

    • Thanks: Gabe Ruth, TWS
    • Replies: @tyrone
  29. @Achmed E. Newman

    If COVID has proven anything it is that US conservatives are clueless and men like Steve are needed in smoky backrooms to make the decisions.

    The anti-vaxx crowd to this day cannot even agree on if the virus exists but they are confident that the vaccines are to be avoided. They don’t at all care that their message is contradictory and inconsistent. Everything is political and the vaccines/masks are from the other camp.

    My guess is that US conservatives have had their heads filled with too much free market fluff from NYC/DC grifters that really just want them to support low taxes. Conservatives now pretty much exist in a state of confusion and have a hard time with verifiable realities like hospitals being filled with the unvaccinated.

    When I predicted that the hospitals would be overwhelmed by the Delta variant ripping through the unvaccinated I was derided as being hysterical. No actually I was basing this prediction on vaccination rates and the experiences of countries that were already dealing with Delta. As with emotional liberalism there is no accounting for record. Someone that makes better predictions than the leaders is still tossed into the men of ill will category. Motivations are questioned more than the evidence they present.

    This type of tribal emotionalism leads to poor strategy which only plays to the establishment. Liberals dominate the media and absolutely love having competition that can’t even explain its position. Every other day they have a story about some ex-anti-vaxxer who feels like he was fooled by alternative media. This reinforces the belief that you can trust mainstream media which is of course false. But these ex-anti-vaxxers might as well take a check from Soros. They make both conservatism and alternative media look like a ship of fools.

    • LOL: JimDandy
  30. Mike1 says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Nice try but no: they can opt out by getting a test. Other federal workers will get fired under the same circumstances.

    Also, who is writing your covid stuff and replying as you? I’ve read everything you’ve written for about twenty years and your covid stories don’t follow your normal sentence structure. This comment is both factually wrong and has multiple spelling/grammatical errors which you have never done.

    • Replies: @Dmon
  31. Travis says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    But for some reason Steve panicked due to the misleading data coming out of China and the propaganda from the talking heads. He realized that flattening the curve would not reduce deaths significantly but may reduce the risk of our hospitals being swamped, thus he advocated a more severre response to crush COVID with draconian lockdowns in an effort to eliminate CV. But this was never a feasible response. He was fooled into believing that China was successful in eliminating CV, again believing the crap stats from China, first believing the fatality rate was high and then believing they eliminated CV via stringent lockdowns. He downplayed the studies done by Dr. Ioannidis and his Stanford research team, because he could not accept the fact that so many Americans were infected despite the lockdowns and the implied IFR was much lower than expected.
    Ioannidis was proven correct, the IFR was .02% yet we still are acting like CV has a fatality rate of 1%

    to be fair, Steve started to notice the Case fatality rate was well below 1% back in April, but then he stopped posting about it because it would have ended the hysteria. But for some reason he failed to notice that masks do not work and that lockdowns were counterproductive.

    this valuable new data suggest that Case Fatality Rates aren’t all that high -Steve Sailer, April 17, 2020 https://www.unz.com/isteve/infection-rate-in-silicon-valley-was-under-5-in-early-april/

  32. The deltoid variant is waning because almost nobody is getting the second Prick anymore and thus the death and dis-ease caused by the Prick is also waning. The Third Pricking – pre-dubbed the Moo variant – combined with flus and colds will cause another and greater wave of death in a few weeks. The Third Pricking begins September 20 and its effects begin a few days later. Expect things to go exponential as many Prick holdouts get their first, second, and third pricks between now and November thanks to Diaper Joe’s public temper tantrum – shit is about to get EPIC.

    The torrential Moo-Prick wave will beget calls for a Fourth Pricking no later than January – which will cause another pre-named “wave.” And so on and so on. All will be blamed on the unpricked.

    It’s all so tiresome.

    • Replies: @MGB
  33. Biden is cracking down for six or seven reasons:

    1. He is distracting the nation from the other failures caused by the regime: Afghanistan, inflation, scarcity, underemployment, back rent coming due, border invasion, rising crime, huge deficits, Fauci’s involvement with Chinese labs, investigations into the election, etc… He polls better on COVID for whatever reason.

    2. His policies are popular with his base of Karens (assuming you can trust the polls). I expect that it will also be well received by the the business community who have wanted to impose vaccines but we’re scared off by the legal issues.

    3. It furthers the narrative that the continued pandemic is due to the unvaccinated. They are the ones to blame, not flawed policies, virus variants, and imperfect vaccines that are the modern equivalent of commanding the sea to depart. This narrative will become especially important in the autumn-winter during the coming COVID surge up north.

    4. It will weaken his political opponents. Republicans will be forced to defend something that quite a few of them agree with. The regime media will portray Republicans as monsters who want the pandemic to continue because they file a few lawsuits, and not much else (like say paying the unvaccinated not to work by confiscating revenue from companies enforcing the mandate).

    5. It will lead to low-to-moderate civil unrest that the regime media can use to scare the population into a further erosion of civil liberties, maybe even another lockdown or gun confiscation. A population of 80 million unvaccinated people is bound to have a few violent crazies with nothing lose after being fired from their jobs.

    6. It increases the power of the regime and makes its supporters feel good about themselves. Always a benefit.

    7. It might increase vaccination rates and reduce hospitalizations. Maybe.

  34. tyrone says:

    Right, and the postal service is one cog in the democrat election fraud apparatus ….better keep them sweet. Joe doesn’t have the cognitive ability to do anything clever ,he’s more or less a marionette at this point.

  35. El Dato says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, you have to distinguish two things:

    – The actual epidemic which bites people and fills hospitals and mortuaries
    – The utter confusion around what it does and can be handled, the political show around it, complete with mindgames and asscovering and big deciding and arresting by people who we now know shouldn’t be trusted with a a toilet brush, complete with feedback loops by bluebottles posting on twitter and churnalists enhacing the truth

    Don’t mix.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  36. El Dato says:
    @El Dato

    Or you can work on the counterfactual:

    – What if there was not enough knowledge/skill to create a vaccine?
    – What if Delta had been the first to arrive on the scene?

    Would have looked bad, man. Maybe the HCQ might have helped.

    Consider Y2K. There was a lot of needless noise and panic, but also a lot of work and investment. In the end, everything went mostly well – the fact of just going through company IT inventory, and debugging and rewriting existing programs was a good investment. Afterwards you have weirdos coming out of the woodwork claiming nothing would have happened. Well, these are assholes – because they can’t know that. In fact, Y2K might well have been the IT version of the Afghanistan pullout: nobody did the homework, when the time comes, things go too fast, problems compound, you need to fix everything on the fly with too few resources and in the end you leave the dogs and multiple billions of material on the runway.

  37. @Achmed E. Newman

    Boomers gonna boom. Don’t waste your time.

    • LOL: BB753
  38. Jack D says:

    Yes, it’s true that the current wave seems to have peaked. This is the nature of respiratory viruses – they have seasonal peaks and valleys, probably associated with the amount of time that people spend indoors in poorly ventilated spaces where viruses spread. The current wave has peaked (and will fall symmetrically with its rise, back down again as quickly as it rose – that’s the usual pattern). But that doesn’t mean it isn’t coming back the next time conditions are again optimal for the spread of the virus.

    The only thing that’s going to break this cycle (or at least mute it to the point where ICU’s aren’t overwhelmed with each new wave) is to get everyone vaccinated (and get them boosters and reformulated vaccines as new variants arise) or else for everyone to become naturally infected (which is 10x more risky that being vaccinated). At some point enough people will be vaccinated or have natural immunity such that the (re)infection rate will be low enough and the consequences of being re-infected mild enough that it really will be “just the flu” and hospitals won’t be thrown into chaos every time there is a new wave.

    So yes, as usual the government is a day late and a dollar short as they have been throughout this crisis (we’re still waiting for the CDC to tell people to get boosters – Israel did this months ago). However, it’s really not wasted. Getting everyone vaccinated one way or another is a good idea even if the current wave is subsiding.

  39. NOTA says:

    Past waves of covid were seasonal. I wonder if that will also be true of Delta–if so, we will probably get another bad wave come winter. OTOH, maybe the reason Delta burned through places like India is because it somehow evolved to spread well in hot weather.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  40. Paul Rise says:

    Yes … but …

    New England and upper Midwest are cooler, so everyone will be watching football inside again soon, and the cases will explode there in the next month, because, of course, there are many millions if unvaccinated tjere too, we just don’t talk about it because they aren’t evil red states.

    Biden is simply worried about the optics of cases exploding in his perfect holy blue states.

    Which, I hasten to add, will still happen – poor Biden drank his own kool-aid and truly believes he will somehow fix this mess, when in reality the only one in control is Corona-chan – as it has been from early 2020.

    • Agree: Yancey Ward
  41. Jack D says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Which again suggests it’s political, not “following the science.”

    This is a false distinction. Everything that the government does is by definition the result of a political process. The Supreme Court’s decisions are the result of a political process. The guidance of the CDC is the result of a political process. Maybe someday there will be an AI robot that will tell us everything AND tell us what to do about it – what “the science” is. What the Constitution really means. Whether there is man-made climate change and what we should do about it. Whether coconut oil is really bad for you or really good for you. Etc. But until they build that AI robot, a human based political process (all human based processes are political by definition) is all that we have. Frankly, based on the scientists that I have known personally, I’m GLAD that they are not in charge and that we are not required to follow “the science” that they proclaim (which often later on turns out to be completely wrong). In a democratic political system we can at least get rid of the idiots every couple of years and try different idiots instead.

    This doesn’t mean that all government decisions are made in a completely arbitrary way according to the whims of whoever is in charge that week (although often they are). Ideally, when the political process works in a well functioning society (which ours is increasingly not), things like expert opinion and scientific consensus are taken into account. But there is no Supreme Court of Science that can tell you what “the science” really is (and even if there were, they too would be influenced by politics – which eminent scientists were appointed to the Supreme Court of Science would influence their decisions such that if you changed the membership of the Court enough they would give you completely opposite ruling on certain controversial issues).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind
  42. Flip Flop says:

    “However, it’s the RESPONSE that’s the big story, not the virus.”

    Very well put, Achmed. Mr. Sailer seems like he only has so much anti-Establishment in him, and after using it up on race and IQ he just gently floats in the current of the mainstream on other issues. We had about a 10% increase in deaths last year, mostly among the old and already infirm, and our response has been so colossally retarded it beggars belief. THAT is the story. Mr. Sailer is mostly Establishment with the occasional mild rebuke, and that’s as baffling as it is disappointing.

    Is he a Boomer?

  43. Jack D says:
    @NOTA

    I don’t know whether that will be true of Delta but often pathogens are evolved to operate better at certain temperatures (obviously somewhere near body temperature but in a rather narrow band). One of the reasons why humans develop fevers is that this is one way of throwing the pathogens out of their optimum growth temperature. Unfortunately, human cells are also evolved to operate in a narrow band so there’s a limit to how much you can manipulate body temperature. Outside the body (for example in cooked food) if you heat things up to say 160F then pretty much all pathogens die.

  44. @Achmed E. Newman

    “Kung Flu PanicFest”

    I’m with you in spirit, Mr. Newman. Our favorite Steve is data-driven and deliberate. Sometimes he seems unable to widen his scope and piece things together. But he’ll get there, at his own pace. It doesn’t make one a drama queen to recognize that something massive and horrendous is occurring: an elite-driven crisis to enable civilizational change. The release of the bio-weapon and the chemistry-experiment non-vaccines are tools to impose the Chinese model on the West. They are making it difficult to function without submission. I am not anti-vaccine but have zero interest in subjecting my system to their twisted experiment. I’m planning a trip to Europe in January to see my kid and conduct business. For that to occur I will have to submit. The world is no longer ours.

  45. Amazing coincidence that they always implement these tough policies as the cases are on the decline. We need moar lockdowns! moar face masks! moar draconian policies!!!

    I’m told to get a vaccine that’s 95% effective, for a virus where our natural immune system is 99.8% effective! Honk honk, welcome to Clown World!

  46. utu says:

    One of the reasons why humans develop fevers is that this is one way of throwing the pathogens out of their optimum growth temperature.

    Are you saying that somewhere in the evolution there were humans who did not get fever while producing immune response? Or just another just-so story evolutionists are fond of making up?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @Mike Tre
  47. Dutch Boy says:

    Fear not – there will be other variants arriving because the vaccines create variants (there are plenty of Greek letters left to use). Big Pharma knew from the get go that the vaccines would not prevent the disease. It is comparable to antibiotics that do not cure infections but facilitate the growth of resistant strains of bacteria. That also means that vaccination delays the arrival of herd immunity. Stop the madness of vaccinating low risk populations, treat the ill with the inexpensive drugs and nutrients known to be effective against Covid 19 and the blessed days of herd immunity will finally be here.

  48. @Achmed E. Newman

    Steve’s post in March, 2020, about buying a mask for every American and having them wear it (this was suggested BEFORE the Danish RCT that showed them to not have a statistically significant effect on transmission), for a cost of a few hundred billion, INSTEAD of multi-trillion-dollar lockdowns, was the epitome of a reasonable, numbers-based response. That, of course, would have been better than what we did, IF the effort was to fight a virus. That he did not reject people like Neal Ferguson on the basis of previous bad models was probably because of the bright shiny object in the numbers: the opportunity to explain exponential growth to the uninitiated.

    Of course, it’s now become obvious that the pandemic was fitted to the need for the lockdown to prevent blowout inflation. I don’t know if you’ve read this Marxist analysis, but it reminds again what a good diagnostician (but lousy prescription-writer) Marx was. If you’ve not read, it’s worth the 12 minutes or so.

    https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-self-fulfilling-prophecy-systemic-collapse-and-pandemic-simulation/

  49. JimDandy says:

    So now the narrative will be that Biden took charge and ended the Covid crisis?

  50. JimDandy says:
    @Jack D

    everyone to become naturally infected (which is 10x more risky that being vaccinated)

    It’s 10x more risky for a healthy 14 year old boy to get vaxxed than to get naturally infected? Where did you get that amazing number from?

    • Replies: @MGB
    , @Brutusale
    , @Jack D
  51. @utu

    It’s not really a just-so story. Here’s an article from the time when MSM might report real health news:
    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:q71-pm9NVIcJ:https://www.nbcnews.com/healthmain/sick-feverish-suffer-through-it-get-well-faster-docs-say-1c6436878+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

    “Scientists have found more evidence that allowing your fever to burn out may actually help certain types of immune cells to work more efficiently. They say that a type of lymphocyte called CD8+Cytotoxic T-cell is capable of destroying virus-infected and tumor cells and low-grade fevers enhance them. …

    Scientists have long known that a fever is the body’s protective response to fight off bacteria and viruses. If you can stand the discomfort until your fever reaches 102, Dr. Amesh A. Adalja says it’s fine to let the fever go away on its own – but not always.

    “Once the body temperature reaches certain levels, it becomes dangerous because it can be toxic to brain cells, and can also precipitate seizures as well as increase your heart rate and basal metabolic rate, causing people to more likely become dehydrated,” says Adalja, clinical assistant professor in the Department of Critical Care Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.

    It’s probably best not to take the chance with a feverish child, or with an adult if the fever spikes higher than 102 degrees. A high fever in some children can result in seizures, he says.”

    So, let fevers run but not too high to get the optimal benefit from them. I go to 103 before reaching for the Tylenol. YMMV.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Chrisnonymous
  52. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Lots of people supported the Iraq war because “much hippie liburals oppose it so it must be in America’s interest even though I can’t explain how.” They remind me of the flutards. Please, Achmed, tell us the experts are wrong about this “round earth” theory.

  53. lysias says:
    @Jack D

    For each new variant that arises, it will take months to develop a new booster shot, By the time the booster becomes available, there will be a new variant.

    Vaccines are just the wrong way to go for a virus causing respiratory disease that mutates quickly.

    Instead, strengthening the immune system is the way to go.

  54. Mike Tre says:
    @utu

    If you’re not sure why don’t you just ask Jesus? I’m sure he’ll get right back to you.

  55. I would submit humidity is looking to be as strong of a factor as ever.

    (1) The seasonality in the northern states and Europe which have a proper winter has proven to be incredibly strong, with 2 seasonal cycles basically under our belt.

    But one must remember, most people — and especially the elderly — are indoors 95% or more of the time. Indoor temperatures are the same year-round even in cold climates but humidity is what swings dramatically. In winter in colder climes humidity can plummet to far below healthy levels. For example if air at 32 F and 50% humidity is heated to 72 F, the relative humidity of that air will be 12% — extremely dessicating.

    During summer by contrast, indoor humidity is far higher, even as indoor temperature of the conditioned air is the same.

    So we have seen that death and disease severity are much lower during summer than during winter across most of the US and Europe. And humidity must be the reason, because indoors it is humidity and not temperature that swings dramatically with the seasons.

    (2) The poor function of the respiratory system under low humidity is well-understood and easily explained, although not enough discussed (by contrast I have never seen a clear simple explanation of the mechanism by which vitamin D is the regulator of viral seasonality). Two things about low humidity harm respiratory immunity:

    (a) With low humidity, mucociliary clearance fails. That is, the respiratory cilia which carry out foreign matter including virus particles become immobilized when the mucus dries up, and they cannot function properly.

    (b) With low humidity, fissures form in respiratory areas (epithelial tissue damage in the respiratory system) — similar to cracked lips in dry air. Viruses can enter through these areas and these areas can become inflamed. If you wake up with sore throats in winter you have experienced this effect.

    A team of from Yale and Harvard explains the importance of humidity for the lay person in the Washington Post:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/18/winter-covid-19-humidity/

    For those who want to study in depth why respiratory infection is seasonal this paper gives a review of around 130 papers on viral seasonality (humidity is observed as playing a major role in many of the studies):

    https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev-virology-012420-022445

    (3) Then why have there been major outbreaks and deaths in Florida and Latin America? My answers:

    (a) Humidity is an important factor but it isn’t everything. Perhaps high humidity boosts respiratory immunity by 50% or 75% or some similar amount, i.e. a dramatic benefit but not a perfect panacea. It is a normal tendency to look at the exceptions and reject the rule — just as how many reject vaccines as ineffective because of breakthrough cases even though 80% or 90% effectiveness by definition means there will be breakthrough cases.

    (b) Air conditioning is a huge confounder. Air conditioning sharply lowers the humidity in a room. I also suspect that HVAC systems do a lot to recirculate COVID virus while sustaining it in a cool environment. Some evidence on the impact of air conditioning comes when from looking at places that lack air conditioning:

    * Sub-Saharan Africa, which has heat and humidity without air conditioning, has had the lowest COVID mortality in the world, in spite of poverty, crowding and poor medical systems.

    * Europe and northern states like New York, where air conditioning is uncommon, tended to have extremely low case rates in the summer time.

    (c) Florida has taken the fewest mitigation measures of almost any state, with little masking, schools and churches operating normally throughout the year, and few restrictions of any kind. It also has an older average age than any other large state, with an enormous senior population. And on top of all this the vaccination rate in Florida hasn’t been great, especially considering the age of Floridians. By all rights, Florida should have fared much worse than other states. Yet it sits only in the middle of league tables among the states in COVID mortality rate. Something is helping Florida a lot and I am pretty sure it is the humidity.

    Conclusion:

    Indoor humidification of one’s living spaces (and particularly one’s bedroom) during winter, especially if one has a respiratory infection, is incredibly beneficial and should be recommended. Indeed this is why humidifiers have been sold for this purpose for more than fifty years. We ignore what has been widely known.

    It is unfortunate that Dr. Fauci et al. have said almost nothing about humidity, which should be uncontroversial and widely disseminated as a way to mitigate not only COVID-19 but respiratory infections generally. We have another winter coming up, our third with COVID-19 and I hope the public can notice the benefits of humidifying in winter this time around.

    • Thanks: Cortes
    • Replies: @Ralph L
  56. utu says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Thanks for the link.

    One mechanism of fever: macrophages get in contact with viruses and bacterias release Interleukin-1 that signals T-cells to get into action. But Interleukin-1 via blood gets to hypothalamus which regulates body temperature. Which came first in evolution: alerting T-cells or increasing body temperature in response to infection?

    • Replies: @Bert
  57. BB753 says:
    @Jack D

    Actually, not everyone. Leave the kids alone!

    “Their analysis of medical data suggests that boys aged 12 to 15, with no underlying medical conditions, are four to six times more likely to be diagnosed with vaccine-related myocarditis than ending up in hospital with Covid over a four-month period.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

    And remember, myocarditis has a fatality rate of 56 % over a ten year span.

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  58. utu says:
    @TomSchmidt

    “Danish RCT that showed them to not have a statistically significant effect on transmission” – Danish study had many flaws. When you read it careful and compare groups which were diagnosed for covid by the same method:

    Group A were diagnosed via antibody IgM/IgG tests
    Group B were positive on RT-PCR test
    Group C health-care diagnostic, symptomatic

    you will get entirely different picture. Masks offered 50% protection among people who were symptomatic (Group C) and 100% protection among people who were RT-PCR positive (Group B).

  59. SafeNow says:

    For years now I have thought that Sean Hannity’s standard tone sounds like the tone of a father berating a teenage son who has just crashed the family car. Biden now has the same tone. And this anger persona is magnified because he squints to read the teleprompter. The last time I saw his endearing malarkey mode was at the medal-of-honor ceremony for that Korean war vet. If I were his handler, I would give him daily sessions with some endearing malarkey-type guy, a Jay Leno type, who could impart niceness + gravitas.

  60. @TomSchmidt

    (this was suggested BEFORE the Danish RCT that showed them to not have a statistically significant effect on transmission)

    I sure seem to remember it being said that study only scored protection from surgical grade plus or minus masks, which is not a claimed ability for them, nor something they were designed to do. Nothing about them cutting down on infected people’s ability to transmit, and you don’t need “a few hundred billion” for this grade of mask in the US. That would be more appropriate for a maximum effort to outfit people with N95 masks or maybe a grade below, including fitting the masks and minimally training the people. Which first would require a really serious maximum effort to make the masks, some of their materials don’t grow on trees, or like vaccines in bacterial or cell cultures.

    Now it’s not clear that would give people a sense of invulnerability their actual wearing patterns wouldn’t provide, isn’t feasible for children, or for household use unless someone infected is for a short period of time being taken care of, but it could have made a big difference. But as you note, or I would say, Team Blue didn’t want to let a serious crisis go to waste. But I don’t think that overall is helping them.

    • Troll: Yancey Ward
    • Replies: @SafeNow
  61. PSR says:

    I don’t know about other states but it’s still on the increase in Ohio. Three weeks ago we were averaging about 3,500 new cases a day; two weeks ago it went over 5,000 per day; yesterday was over 9,000 new cases.

  62. Mr. Anon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Except the exempting postal workers didn’t have happen, as a another commenter pointed out.

    But they don’t have to get vaccinated. Their lumped in with private businesses, so they can get weekly testing (onerous enough) rather than vaccination. Other federal employees have to get vaccinated or lose their job.

    They probably made the calculation that most of the federal workforce are liberals and/or are susceptible to authoritarian arguments anyway (which largely seems to be true based on my experience) so they have nothing to lose. What this amounts to is a purge of the military and federal workforce of everyone who doesn’t buy into the Great Reset agenda.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  63. Travis says:
    @Jack D

    77% of adults are vaccinated and half the unvaccinated have natural immunity. Geting the vaccination rates up to 90% will have little to zero effect on hospitalizations. The evidence demonstrates that the vaccinations have failed to reduce cases and failed to reduce hospitalizations and had a small effect on fatalities, reducing the IFR from .2% to .1%. The vaccines are non-sterilizing and their efficacy fades fast and new variants can evade the vaccines. Increasing vaccinations rates will have little effect. Those who fear COVID should just submit to getting an injection every 5 months. The doubled vaxxed will soon be counted among the not-fully-vaccinated group when the third shots become mandatory.

    Why are more people Hospitalized with COVID this August than August of 2020 when we had no vaccines and far less Americans had natural immunity ? The best explanation is that the vaccines failed to prevent hospitalizations just as they failed to prevent infections. Maybe we will need a fourth dose after the boosters.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @HA
  64. SafeNow says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    I read a study that quantified the mask protection as 60 for N95 and 12 for surgical. I myself wear a pouch-style N95. Odd-looking, oddly comfortable, oddly breathable. Inexpensive. It does make me resemble a shoe-billed stork. But an Asian-American gal told me that, like most Americans, I looked somewhat like that to begin with.

  65. Mr. Anon says:
    @utu

    100% protection among people who were RT-PCR positive (Group B). </blockquote

    Perhaps because a lot of them were not infected at all.

    You still believe in the PCR test…………..that's funny.

    You still use divining rods too?

    • Replies: @MGB
  66. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Biden did this as meta-president literally to create a video clip of himself saying it.

    If Earth succumbs to Coofageddon, they will say See, He Told You So. If that does not happen, it’ll be forgotten peacefully and complacently. The practical impact on “fighting a virus” is nil either way but as always, important to be seen having done Something.

    That’s Joe’s excuse for his pseudo-info dispensing, not sure what Steve’s is (artisanal background noise for everything else going to s—, perhaps)

  67. Dmon says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “Except the exempting postal workers didn’t have happen, as a another commenter pointed out.”

    The USPS begs to differ with you.
    https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2021/09/postal-service-takes-wait-and-see-approach-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/185277/

    • Thanks: JMcG
  68. JimDandy says:

    So, Biden did not apply his decree to Congress (or their staff)… or the Judicial Branch… or postal workers… but is it true that the White House staff is also exempt?

  69. That “Joe Biden” is awesome. Why, I even bet that Joe Biden wishes he could be as good as “Joe Biden?”

  70. Ft. Detrick has been slow inventing the next strain of biowarfare agent. Probably because of summer vacations. Now it’s back to school time. Look out, Cleveland!

  71. My reaction to Covid was nothing compared to my allergic reactions to pollen, poison ivy, and public education. I don’t hear the government telling us to get allergy shots.

    The virus has been a godsend to the schools:

    • Way more money.
    • Perennially poor results DEFLECTED (indefinitely).
    • Standardized tests suspended/de-emphasized.
    • Credentialed babysitters can clock-in from home.
    • Bullying and illicit romances eradicated.

  72. @Jack D

    “Getting everyone vaccinated one way or another is a good idea even if the current wave is subsiding.”

    Gunpoint would be “one way”; any problems with that?

  73. “Getting everyone vaccinated one way or another is a good idea even if the current wave is subsiding.”

    For a disease that has a 99.00001 survival rate? Why do you hate our freedom?

    • Replies: @V. Hickel
  74. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    Someone posted this type of graph for each of several countries with different covid strategies and, wouldn’t you know it, they all follow the same pattern of surge and decline, and the size of that surge not obviously correlated to any one strategy.
    You don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to see this is about mid-term elections and shaking off the Afghanistan catastrophe.

  75. Bert says:
    @utu

    Fever evolved early in the amniote lineage. Lizards regulate body temperature by shuttling between sunlight and shade. When they are experimentally infected, they bask more to maintain a fever of 2 degrees C, if they can bask ad libitum. When they are not provided with a heat source for basking, survival of infected lizards is inversely related to ambient temperature.

    Research ground-breaking enough to be published in Science.

    Fever and survival
    Science 1975 Apr 11;188(4184):166-8.
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1114347/

    • Thanks: utu, TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @Bert
  76. Bert says:
    @Bert

    rather, directly related to ambient temperature.

  77. Voltarde says:

    Completely off-topic, sorry.

    Congress votes multi-billion dollar subsidies to promote the U.S. semiconductor industry, to much fanfare and applause.

    But hey, let’s use some of that cash in … Mexico!

    https://www.reuters.com/technology/mexico-us-discuss-semiconductor-production-economic-talks-mexico-econ-minister-2021-09-09/

    MEXICO CITY, Sept 9 (Reuters) – Mexican and U.S. officials discussed in high-level economic talks on Thursday the production of semiconductors in the region, Mexican Economy Minister Tatiana Clouthier said.

    So much of U.S. politics is just noise to conceal the looting of this country for the benefit of huge corporations and their shareholders.

    • Replies: @epebble
  78. Xens says:

    Waves happen in indoor weather. For Florida and Texas there was a wave last year in the summer as well, linked with people going inside for air conditioning. There will be another wave later this year, state-by-state, as they dip below 60F or so, and people go inside for heat.

    “Delta” is not petering out. Rather, the summer Florida/Texas wave is over. There will be another in early November or so, starting in the midwest as things start to get cold again. It’s going to hit red and blue states and vaccinated and less vaccinated states. It’s as inevitable at this point…as the weather.

    • Thanks: Corvinus
    • Replies: @HA
  79. southern states…

    Meanwhile Northern states…

    The capitalization is backwards. There is a South, there is no “North”. That term has been obsolete for a century and a half.

  80. Corvinus says:
    @Jack D

    “Getting everyone vaccinated one way or another is a good idea….”

    Yes.

    “even if the current wave is subsiding.”

    Is it? ISteve is throwing out thin gruel. It’s a slight downward trend.

  81. Corvinus says:
    @Travis

    “The best explanation is that the vaccines failed to prevent hospitalizations just as they failed to prevent infections.”

    More like the vaccines have lowered the number of people who would have likely been infected or gone to the hospital had they not been infected. Of course, when people choose not to get vaccinated and/or are repeatedly in social situations without precautions, it makes it appear that the vaccine is other than effective.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  82. HA says:
    @Travis

    “Why are more people Hospitalized with COVID this August than August of 2020 when we had no vaccines and far less Americans had natural immunity ?”

    1) Weaker lockdowns this time around. Not as many Zoom classes, shut down churches, etc. If you’d prefer we go back to that, then say so — I’m sure some politicians would be happy to oblige, especially given that people are evidently able to completely obliterate them from memory whenever it suits them.

    2) Delta variant which is significantly more infectious. BTW, delta took off and exploded in India back when vaccinations were practically nonexistent — as was the case with the Brazil variant — so that blaming that on the vaccine, as some keep trying to do, is a fool’s errand.

    “The best explanation is that the vaccines failed to prevent hospitalizations just as they failed to prevent infections.”

    The vaccines still help limit ICU visits and deaths, something your so-called “best explanation” curiously fails to mention. In Israel, 40% of the hospital visits at the peak of the Delta variant (it seems to be stabilizing there, too, as I noted last week) were from unvaccinated people, and there is still a ; nine-fold decrease in deaths and hospitalization.

    In other words, in terms of the vaccine response, COVID is a lot like the flu in some ways– yes, the flu vaccine is not 100% effective either, and depending on what variant comes through, it can still result in a good percentage of the those who are jabbed with it catching ifnfluenza, but even if that happens, the vaccine will “reduce severity of illness in people who get vaccinated but still get sick.” I.e. the just-a-flu-bros finally got one sorta kinda right, and it only took them a year and a half.

    • Agree: Inquiring Mind
  83. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Getting everyone vaccinated one way or another is a good idea even if the current wave is subsiding.

    We could put those recalcitrant “anti-vaxxers” on trains and send them to concentration camps in Texas (“transportation to the West”) if they fail to get the shot.

    That’s one way. Or is it another?

  84. HA says:
    @Xens

    “Delta” is not petering out. Rather, the summer Florida/Texas wave is over.

    I think that’s very possible, and it will give yet more fuel to the vaccine denialists who want to claim the vaccine doesn’t work at all, but based on what happened with Delta in India and UK, and for reasons that researchers are still puzzling over, it does tend to fizzle out very rapidly (50 days or so). So yes, there may be Northern waves too depending on how much of the booster they can administer and whatnot, but they likely won’t last long either.

    It seems to have peaked in Israel too, as noted earlier, just in time for the vaccine-booster-threepeat advocates to claim credit for that, too.

    I.e., there’s something here for everyone, and hopefully a light at the end of the tunnel to shine on everyone.

    • Replies: @Xens
    , @Fox
  85. MGB says:
    @JimDandy

    UCal study says boys 6 times more likely to suffer heart inflammation or chest pain after second dose of jab than complications from Covid. JackD is not a 12 year old boy, thus doesn’t give a shit.

  86. Delta Wave Petering Out Just as Biden Cracks Down

    That’s better than the Delta wave cracking down just as Biden peters out.

  87. V. Hickel says:
    @James J O'Meara

    his ‘early life’ section contains the answer. its always his type calling for the clampdown

  88. @Corvinus

    You’re responding to someone who says:

    [vaccines have] had a small effect on fatalities, reducing the IFR from .2% to .1%.

    Assuming that’s not a typo, he’s saying a halving of the overall fatality rate of all those infected is “small.”

    More like the vaccines have lowered the number of people who would have likely been infected or gone to the hospital had they not been infected. Of course, when people choose not to get vaccinated and/or are repeatedly in social situations without precautions, it makes it appear that the vaccine is other than effective.

    The other factor is that the idiot he cites (or worse, why start the chart on August 2020?? Note the ones our host uses go back to Fed-April 2020) is comparing three periods of different dominant variants, the ones following classic Wuhan successively more transmissible and thus game changers which we expect would change infection rates and everything downstream of them.

    And that’s before considering people’s behaviors changing. Which is after all the point our host is making, he’s non-responsive on that.

    • Troll: Yancey Ward
  89. MGB says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The whole masking nonsense is . . . well nonsense. The pre-Covid guidance issued by OSHA was that clothe and surgical masks were not effective in preventing transmission of respiratory viruses. Couple that with the quarantining of healthy young adults in their rooms in the middle of winter, ordering them to mask up outdoors for the 3 times daily walk to the chow hall for takeaway (back to their rooms) leads to conclusion that masking mandates had little to do with viral transmission. I was in Cambridge today for the first time in almost a year and the majority of people walking outside were wearing masks. Follow the science!!!!

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  90. Xens says:
    @HA

    What is the light at the end of the tunnel exactly? At 80% vaccinated for high risk groups, we’re still on track to lose more people this winter than last. Your 50-day wave is hardly different from earlier waves, and to the extent it burns through faster, that is only because it is more virulent. Also, we’ve decided to subject the entire human race to a dose of a biological, every six months, for eternity. There is absolutely nothing that makes it look like this is getting better, going away, or that people will behave more rationally about it.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    , @HA
  91. Denmark and Sweden remove domestic CO-19 restrictions

    Forbes: From September 10, Denmarkl removed all domestic restrictions related to Covid-19. In a news release, Danish minister of health Magnus Heunicke said the country’s high vaccination rate means the pandemic is “under control” in Denmark and is no longer a “critical threat to society.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2021/08/27/denmark-lifts-all-coronavirus-restrictions-except-entry-rules/?sh=29f8526971dd

    Sweden will remove the – already mild – restrictions on September 29th.

    https://www.svd.se/regeringen-haller-presstraff-om-restriktionerna

  92. HA says:
    @Mike Tre

    Can someone please provide an example of the last time a respiratory virus was responsible for a surge in infections/hospitalizations/deaths in the summertime?…Because nothing I am being told by my highbrow closet dwellers or in the news remotely lines up with what I am seeing out in the real world.

    Same thing happened last summer in the US.

    Same thing happened with the Brazil variant in December of 2020 — i.e. Brazilian summer. No vaccines there, either.

    I already explained this to you the last time you asked, but you probably forgot about that, too.

    • Replies: @Ricardo Cruz
  93. Gamecock says:
    @John Johnson

    The anti-vaxx crowd to this day cannot even agree on if the virus exists but they are confident that the vaccines are to be avoided.

    FO, Johnson. The choice of not getting the vaccine is a personal decision. My choice. Me. Your Leftard group politics can kiss my heiny.

  94. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, the NYFD…

    and the NYPD, LOVE President Trump’s guts, as well as the majority of the NYC workers who are regularly down in the trenches, keeping that God-Forsaken Hellhole functional and even presentable, on a day to day basis.

    It’s a phenomena for us to strongly consider.

    Oh yes, and FUCK Joe Biden: Learn it. Know it. Live it…

  95. epebble says:
    @Mike Tre

    The Wavelike behavior of Covid is similar to the Influenza Pandemic. Based on that, since we started in Spring 2020, we may expect Covid to subside by Spring 2022. Since a little over Half the population is fully vaccinated , we may expect half the amplitude during Winter 2021-22 (compared to Winter 2020-21). Currently, we are running about 1,200-1,500 deaths per day. That may probably subside a little before peaking again in December 2021 – January 2022 at 1,500 – 2,000 deaths per day. January 2022 should be the last peak unless an entirely new strain (defeating the vaccines) appears.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Timeline

  96. @MGB

    Remind me again, how is it the vaccine that doesn’t prevent transmission or infection, but allegedly helps prevent more severe symptoms, is contributing to herd immunity?

    Because vax’ed folks are less worried about Xi-Fauci than before, they get out, socialize, get and spread the bug. Result: more folks have had the bug which makes them–so far–immune.

  97. @Mike Tre

    “not a single kid in the large school district has died of kovid since it all began. Going back 3 school years now that’s around 6,000 kids”

    Good of you to point this out.

    Deaths to date: age 0-17, 361 out of 71, 360,000 persons; that’s 1 out of 197,673

    What sniffing young girl’s hair is to Joe is what ruining young people’s lives is to JabMaestro Fauci.

  98. @Mike Tre

    Can someone please provide an example of the last time a respiratory virus was responsible for a surge in infections/hospitalizations/deaths in the summertime? Because cases of influenza and the common cold, etc all seem to peak in the winter months.

    It is weird. It’s the one aspect of this that surprised me last year. (The first wave petering out with summer was no surprise to me, and i expected a big winter wave during normal flu season.)

    My guess is that Xi-Fauci seems to spread really well in air conditioned environments. People socializing inside, in cooler-than-it-should-be, but low humidity environments. But it’s summer so people are still out doing stuff, meeting other people … barbequing, time at the lake, etc. etc. But then also time at the office, in the stores, in the restaurants, in the bars.

    My guess is if everyone turned off their AC … and was cooling off just by jump in the lake, running through the sprikler, sipping a beer under a shade tree, or under a fan, the 2020 summer wave wouldn’t really have been here. (This 2021 summer wave, obviously has something to do with the arrival of the more infectious Delta.)

  99. Don’t worry Steve, we’ll still have a solid wave again this flu season.

    We’re in much better shape than last winter, but we still haven’t had enough people who’ve actually gotten the Xi-Fauci bug, which is the only immunity–so far–that really seems to stick. The vax is great for keeping–old people like me, bad for the boys–out of the hospital. But not effective enough against getting/spreading Delta.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  100. @Mike Tre

    Your observations are spot on.

    When things calm down and the threat diminishes they introduce another variant by walking through large stores and clandestinely spraying vapor. They’re not going to let this thing die down. The variants are all products of labs and are already in existence. It’s a scheduled roll out. As Eisenhower said, nothing that happens in the political arena is an accident.

  101. Kylie says:

    FWIW, here in northeast Missouri, my friend’s 54 year old dad just recovered from covid. The dad was diagnosed with lung cancer 1 1/2 years ago and wasn’t able to take the vaccine. Dad is pretty thin and doesn’t look real healthy. But he was cracking jokes and helping his son clear up a work site. The brother, sister and their families all got it and recovered, including a baby.

    Around here it seems now as if lots of people are getting covid but recovering.

  102. epebble says:
    @Voltarde

    If the choice is between making chips in China (or Taiwan, which may soon become China) and Mexico, it is a no brainer. A Jose that works in Guadalajara is a Jose that does not come to Los Angeles. Anyway, this may be moot since Intel decided to build their largest Fab somewhere in Europe.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/intel-ceo-says-big-honkin-132558739.html

  103. Peterike says:

    There’s still no damn reason to do one single thing about Covid other than to live our lives normally and boost our immune systems with Vitamin D etc which you should be doing anyway. Oh and maybe actually study treatments, which our medical system remains weirdly uninterested in if they’re not going to cost a lot.

    Everything else is theatre if not actively harmful.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  104. tyrone says:
    @AndrewR

    Plus our illustrious former “conservative” president chimpy bush sticks the knife in.

  105. J.Ross says:

    Predicted several times over in iSteve comments:
    James Watson does science.
    The Overton Window shifts and Watson is suddenly unemployable in the decadent West.
    PRC, which cares about science and not about worshipping black people, picks him up cheap.
    https://clbiomed.com/en/about-us/team/#watson-bio

    • Thanks: tyrone
  106. Rob says:
    @Jack D

    I 100% agree with the thrust of your comment. I just have a quantitative disagreement. If the vaccine has a death (caused by the vaccine, not just occurring after receiving it, there is a baseline death rate) of 1 in a million, it would be surprising. Not to mention, pretty much anyone who gets much more than a sore shoulder – a common reaction to getting a shot – 10^-2/10^-6 = 10^4.

    Covid is 10,000 times worse than the vaccine. You can quibble with the exact numbers but could is everywhere, so you will, one day get exposed. If you are not vaccinated, you may get very ill, possibly you will die. If you are vaccinated, you will either not get sick or be only mildly ill. Then you will have rock-hard natural immunity! Get vaccinated, and own the libs!

    The rest of this comment is interesting (to me) but not nearly so effing important getting vaccinated. So,

    [MORE]

    I would like to see a GWAS on people who have strong negative reactions to the vaccine, people who get covid and do need hospitalization, and people who die from covid. These things are influenced by obesity and diabetes, among others I am sure, but variation in obesity and diabetes is undergirded by genetic differences. Might be hard to do, because bad reactions to the vaccine are so rare. Also, be interesting to know if getting infected after vaccination correlates with getting severely ill if got covid without getting vaccinated. Would be interesting.

    Also, be interesting to know what genes having premature termination codons affects the three phenotypes. That might be more fruitful than a GWAS, cuz common SNPs are common because they usually are not too bad for you. On another hand, predicting what mutations are likely to be severely damaging to a protein’s function/folding is pretty good, so they could maybe do whole transcriptome sequencing to find genes vital to covid resistance.

    It seems like there is a lot of important covid research that no one is doing. Is that just because research takes time, writing takes time, peer review…I find out about it, so it’s just a slow process.

    I would love to have proof that bad reactions to the vaccines and bad reactions to covid are influenced by the same alleles.

    • Replies: @Alt Right Moderate
  107. @James J O'Meara

    Separation of powers. No kidding. Biden’s vax order for employees of \$2M+ private firms is the [impeachable] issue.

    While Pelosi can’t order vaxxes, either body could vote to require them for quorum members (they get to set their own rules).

    I’m delighted that vaxxes are required for federal bureaucrats, contractors, etc. I’m also in favor of orders that they receive diversity and sensitivity training, participate in morning, group calisthenics, and any other baloney mandates that a president can think of.

  108. MGB says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    You are a moron. Joe Biden has read the studies, consulted the experts, tirelessly checked and cross-checked graphs (you know, made from data) and he has grown impatient with your intransigence. A few gripes, collapsing into blind fealty is one thing, but this, this thinking is beyond the pale. You will take the 4th Mu-jab, and you will let Joe sniff your pre-teen daughter’s hair.

    • Replies: @tyrone
  109. @The Alarmist

    Herd Immunity by COVID mRNA vaccinations is a myth. Israel is proof of that.

    How can you say that when the vaccines are in their first round, 99.999% based on years and decades of prior research plus the Original Formula classic Wuhan genome and just the spike protein part of that, and the virus is only in it’s third round that counts in increased transmissibility.

    Sure, anyone wanting or claiming they were going to be a quick fix was bonkers, but our side “has not yet begun to fight.” I’m also expecting the virus has move moves it can make.

    • Troll: Yancey Ward
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  110. Marty says:

    Something weird just happened. 3:00 p.m. and I’m reading the last few posts of this thread while sitting in my car in a Mon-Fri. yellow zone, i.e. OK to park weekends. A meter maid pulls up next to my window and starts staring at me. Black chick, about 30, with dreads. I roll down my window and ask what’s up. She says she’s just checking to see if I’m OK. Big smile.

  111. @Gamecock

    FO, Johnson. The choice of not getting the vaccine is a personal decision. My choice. Me. Your Leftard group politics can kiss my heiny.

    It’s not a personal decision when the unvaccinated are filling up hospitals and killing people that can’t get the shot or need an ICU bed.

    The Republican governor of Idaho has been begging people to get the shot so the unvaccinated stop filling up the hospitals. Is he a leftard?

    The anti-vaxx crowd is a sinking ship of fools. They should have quit when their leaders were wrong about the vaccines being ineffective.

    But anti-vaxx leaders are literally dying to show us how it isn’t a big deal.
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/09/anti-vax-radio-hosts-dying-covid

    Get off the ship while you can. No one is mutating from the vaccines. They work and the hospitals are filled with people that feel like idiots for refusing them.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  112. @J.Ross

    So Joe has been reliably wrong, even when doing nothing would prove right later. Is there something in his less than a year of office he has gotten right?

    He has increased public awareness of the ravages of Alzheimer’s disease.

    [MORE]

    OT:

    After torturing Steve and his commenters for far too long, I’ve finally broken down and created my own blog to house all of my irrelevant off-topic comments about myself.

    I posted a notice in the thread where I wrote ten thousand posts detailing the history of my life (if you don’t know what I’m talking about, count yourself as one of the lucky ones), but I’ll put one in an active thread, as well. (This will be the last plug, Steve – I promise.)

    From this point forward I’ll refrain from discussing my personal situation on iSteve. I won’t stop commenting altogether, but now that I have my own forum (such as it is) I won’t try to score dopamine hits by piggybacking on Steve’s ability to draw an intelligent audience. If you’re desperate to learn the latest embarrassing revelations about my humiliating existence, you’ll have to visit my site. (I hear … crickets.)

    Right now it’s a disjointed hodgepodge of old photographs and YouTube clips. It may or may not get any better:

    stanadams145133880.wordpress.com

    (Note that I won’t be discussing my political and/or social views on the site, although on occasion you might be able to read between the lines.)

  113. tyrone says:
    @MGB

    ” Joe Biden has read the studies, consulted the experts, tirelessly checked and cross-checked graphs”…..”tirelessly”????……That is so funny ,great stuff, I love the absurdist humor……but seriously ,KEEP YOUR DAUGHTERS AWAY FROM BIDEN!.

  114. @Rob

    Is it just me, or are centre-left politicians just starting to get a bit sick of crazy, lazy minorities and whites on the far left?

    Biden’s actions suggest he has now angrily acknowledged that Afghanistan is an unfixable s**thole, and he’s now getting increasingly pissed off irrational anti-vaxxers (who while vocal on the right, are disproportionately black, young or far-left white).

    In Australia a centre-left state premiere (who up to now has been very pro lockdown) has basically just said people better get vaccinated soon because the country is going to have to start opening up and we can’t wait for those “who aren’t willing to help themselves.”

    • Replies: @Nancy
  115. Fox says:

    After delta, Epsilon is the next letter in the Greek alphabet, followed by zeta. The last one is the ominous omega. Will we make it that far?

  116. @Xens

    At 80% vaccinated for high risk groups, we’re still on track to lose more people this winter than last.

    Citation for the 80%? Because it sure isn’t even close to that in my part of Red State flyover country. And … I’ll leave it up to utu if he cares to address your second point.

    Also, we’ve decided to subject the entire human race to a dose of a biological, every six months, for eternity.

    And here you’re just lying through your teeth. I think I recall a very few experts of the usual suspects having mooted this concept, but in US sanity land we’re still investigating the merits of a third dose of the first generation mRNA vaccines, no matter what “Biden” was saying they’d start doing this month; heh, I’ll bet the strong push back was a reason for this latest move.

    Well, I suppose they could just ignore the FDA et. al., but that won’t go down well, even if those second boost doses would likely be mostly harmless, but the additional risk might not be worth the benefit against Delta. That’s one of the things the FDA has to figure out, based on serious people are doing clinical trials. I just found the one for Pfizer/BioNTech, thousand subjects and started for real July 9th, see here for more. That start date is one reason it’s a bit early to decide this.

    There is absolutely nothing that makes it look like this is getting better, going away, or that people will behave more rationally about it.

    My but you’re a bundle of joy this fine September day. Your last point is of course right, even the “battlefield conversions” coming from younger folk ending up in a bad way or dying is not exactly rational, and strengthens the first two points, but those are debatable. And going back to your fantasy about infinity doses of biologicals, let me keep pounding in the point that we “have not yet begun to fight.”

  117. @John Johnson

    I’ll take a check from Soros, but I still won’t take the vax. I don’t do coercion.

  118. @Jack D

    I used to think that you, Jack D, were pretty reasonable, but this comment shows that you are in over your head, have panicked and latched onto the nearest piece of flotsam just to stay afloat. And inasmuch as it is the case that the media puts forth nothing but officially sanctioned flotsam, there’s plenty floating around to grab.

    Keep the big numbers in view. There’s nothing to be afraid of. Relax. Take a deep breath. It’s gonna be okay. When you panic, you clench up. When you clench up, you become less buoyant. Less buoyant, you’re more liable to sink. So relax. Trust in your own innate strength. Your immune system is incredibly strong and self reliant, the product of hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. It will carry you through (unless you’re obese and diabetic–are you?).

    From my earlier comment:

    Deaths per cohort:
    Deaths: age 0-17, 361 out of 71, 360,000 persons; age 18-29, 2630 out of 52,480,000 persons; age 30-39, 7501 out of 43,200,000 persons; age 40-49, 19,776 out of 39,360,000 persons; age 50-64, 98,973 out of 61,440,000 persons; age 65-74, 137,149 out of 30,720,000 persons; age 75-84, 167,533 out of 15,680,000 persons; age 85 and older, 180,608 out of 6,400,000 persons. Total deaths, 614,531.

    (Using a figure of 320,000,000 million Americans)

    Proportion of population in each age group which has died due to Covid:
    Age 0-17, 1 out of 197,673; age 18-29, 1 out of 19,954; age 30-39, 1 out of 5759; age 40-49, 1 out of 1990; age 50-64, 1 out of 621; age 65-74, 1 out of 224; age 75-84, 1 out of 94; age 85 and older, 1 out of 35.

    • Thanks: JMcG
    • Replies: @Jack D
  119. @El Dato

    No, El Dato, I mean the kid got the Common Cold. We’re pretty sure, as the Doc said don’t bother to go test him. (We only brought him to the Doc because the one damn 5 minute long time I went by the school, the school nurse saw me and asked about my son. I told her the symptoms, and she said he’d have to go to the doctor before he came back.)

    I am not comparing the cold with the Kung Flu, symptom and danger-wise. It’s just that people think there is only one sickness now or something. That was even my wife last week: “It’s got to be the COVID. Nobody gets sick this time of year.” Really?

  120. @Gamecock

    FO, Johnson. The choice of not getting the vaccine is a personal decision. My choice. Me.

    That remains to be determined; the rest of us might decide it’s our choice to have you interned in A FEMA CAMP!!! the moment you step your unvaccainted ass off your property. Why should we put up with your sides’ determination to infect and maim and kill as many people as you can??

    That’s not “Leftard group politics,” it’s pure life and death. Or would be if we were still a serious people and our ruling trash wasn’t trash. Read up on infectious disease control back before it became unfashionable in the public health community, and even after that how they managed to reluctantly and eventually rise to the occasion and lock down non-compliant people with MDR TB.

    • Replies: @MGB
    , @Gamecock
    , @TWS
  121. Fox says:
    @HA

    Remind me again, what is the purpose of these vaccines? I would like think of myself as a vaccine-good sensist. I con’t deny the possible value of a vaccine, however, it ought to be deemed safe and actually convey protection from infection, and being a carrier of the infection, and being an amplifier of the infection. In addition, credible case for its administration ought to be made. Round-the-clock propaganda, demonization of sceptics or threatening them (“our patience is wearing thin”) doesn’t convince me.
    Likewise, is the primary reason for people getting vaccinated the fear of “the infection” or that they want to have their lives back, i.e., that they are sick of the nagging and increasing bullying they are subjected to 24 hours a day? Perhaps once it dawns on them that they won’t get their lives back even after giving in and becoming inoculated, the willingness to do something apparently dangerous and unnecessary is sharply dropping, perhaps the predicted ill effects will come to pass. What then?
    In Germany, in twenty years there were 456 deaths due to vaccinations; with the EU having about 350 million members, that would suggest that in all, in the countries comprising the EU, in 20 years there were about 2300 vaccination-induced deaths. (Counting the German population at 80 million).
    Since the start of the Covid vaccination campaign, there were 23252 Covid vaccination-induced deaths in the EU. That would in, say, 8 months, amount to about 35000/year.
    Seems a lot, about 300 (three hundred) times higher than all other vaccination deaths combined in 20 years. That’s a lot and should definitely give occasion to think this whole thing through. That would amount in 20 years to 700000 dead people. That’s a low estimate, since the risk of catching Covid seems to increase with the number of vaccinations received (that’s how I read this phenomenon of primary hospitalizations of double vaccinees).
    And then the confused statements by the health officials.

    • Replies: @HA
  122. Dmon says:
    @Mike1

    Also, the BS detectors seem to be turned down to zero. The president issues an executive order specifically excluding the USPS. The official spokesman for the >600,000 strong organization confirms that. But an unnamed “White House official” issues a “clarification”, and that’s taken as gospel. Which White House official? When? Why couldn’t the President just say so in his executive order? The non-Covid Steve would never fall for such obvious squid ink.

    From the linked article in Workforce:
    Biden’s executive order mandating the vaccines for the federal workforce took a somewhat narrow definition of agencies that carved out USPS, which employs more than 640,000 people. The president on Thursday also announced the Labor Department would put forward a rule directing all employers with more than 100 workers to require their staff to either be vaccinated or submit to weekly COVID-19 testing. USPS said on Friday it was still determining whether the rule would apply to the agency.

    “The COVID-19 vaccination requirements included in the White House executive order issued on September 9, 2021 for federal employees do not apply to the Postal Service,” said Dave Partenheimer, a USPS spokesman. “Regarding other vaccination rules expected to be issued by the federal government, the Postal Service has no comment until those rules are issued and we have had a chance to review them.”

  123. @AnotherDad

    [Rational prognosticating about this winter.] but we still haven’t had enough people who’ve actually gotten the Xi-Fauci bug, which is the only immunity–so far–that really seems to stick. The vax is great for keeping–old people like me, bad for the boys–out of the hospital. But not effective enough against getting/spreading Delta.

    I think it’s still up in the air about “seems to stick,” but as I understand it there’s no question natural immunity is superior to first generation vaccines against Delta. For example in comparison to Delta’s spike protein immune escape mutations it only has a couple against the “N” nucleocapsid protein which is a known natural immunity target. And there’s qualitative differences between two doses of an mRNA vaccine and natural immunity, like the former’s B cell refinement period being much shorter. The body’s reactions to a real, serious infection are not surprisingly different than to the hints a replication incompetent vaccine provides in a couple of doses, and I’m sure that’s still true after a booster dose.

    “The boys” through say age thirty don’t seem to be in much danger except for spreading it, but those in their thirties and above should really seriously consider getting an effective two dose vaccine like the mRNA ones in the US, a whole lot of people that age or above are ending up in the hospital or morgue, while very few “fully vaccinated” do so (although I’d like to know how many of those got the one jab Janssen vaccine, by design not the most effective vaccine, just intended to be the most effective one jab one). To repeat, in my local region with severe “vaccine hesitancy” Delta deaths are pretty close to being evenly divided between those 30-59 or 65, and 65 and above, very much not the pre-vaxx pattern.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  124. HA says:
    @Xens

    “What is the light at the end of the tunnel exactly?”

    A smoldering heat death, if you prefer. One way or another, people are going to get a dose of antibodies to this thing, after which the subsequent chance of death drops significantly, as can be seen even at the peaks of the delta variant in Israel. I haven’t mentioned T-cells and other immune response, but that will play a part as well.

    Even Fauci claims to be hopeful this thing will be under control by spring of 2022, and a few weeks ago, some WHO bigwig expressed his concern that half as many would still die of COVID as have died already (but even that dire warning implicitly puts us at the 2/3 marker). So even people like that are seeing an end to this thing.

    Is that a 100% safe bet? No, of course not — maybe there’s some new mutation out there that will again be a game-changer (though given how the vaccines are able to limit the death toll of the delta, I’m not sure even delta qualifies as a game changer more than a game lengthener). But it’s reason enough to be hopeful. Once upon time, COVID was a novel coronavirus and that gave it an extra kick. It won’t be novel forever.

    • Replies: @Xens
  125. V. Hickel says:
    @ken

    what agency? i read that lying on the vax attestation is a firing offense, at minimum

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @epebble
  126. @That Would Be Telling

    “Decades of prior research” in which all prior trials in vivo failed, killing most of the test animals.

    Yeah, I’ve got my popcorn ready and will enjoy watching the die-off of the Phase-three particpants in this mass experiment from my bunk in the “protective custody” camp.

  127. @That Would Be Telling

    Your momma sucks ‘troll’ buttons in Hell.

  128. @Travis

    … yet deaths are 120% higher than last September.

    Dare I utter the heresy that the vaxxes are killing people. Not just with “breakthrough” cases, no doubt involving some degree of ADE, but we’re likely to see a number of “silent” covid deaths through heart ailments, stroke, clots and embolisms, etc. Car crash deaths up this year over pre-COVID averages while total hours driven down. Shizzle like that.

  129. Marquis says:
    @utu

    You’re confused. Danish study did no such thing.

    • Replies: @utu
  130. @Achmed E. Newman

    It was what Michael Crichton termed the Murray Gell Mann Amnesia Effect; iSteve found a rich(ish) outside his wheelhouse, and faced with a relatively slowly-developing datascape that required careful analysis, he defaulted to MerkinDoomer 1.0 (people who read the NYT and Pfizer press releases non-ironically, is what I’m sayin’).

    Reading his regurgitation of ZOMFG!!! EXPER-NENTIAL!!! and early CFR estimates, was like watching a goatse video (or ‘2 girls 1 cup‘).

    It became really really super clear that Steve doesn’t have the quant chops (and/or the inclination) to test numbers against reality.

    It was obvious in March 2020 that this thing only killed people who were already very sick.

    After Diamond Princess it was clear that even a boat full of old moderately-sick people were largely immune. (Only ~700 cases (400 asymp) and 14 deaths-with out of a population of 3711 – and 90% of the deaths were over 70, and there were zero deaths among the younger, healthy crew).

    By April/May the Ruby Princess gave the numerati another floating petri-dish that validated the earlier data. At that point, any metabolially-normal person under 80 still remotely worried about the coof, marked themselves as a naïve, pearl-clutching ninny.

    My guess is that like most Doomers, iSteve has some lingering residual trust in governmental institutions.

    I can’t fathom why that would be the case, but perhaps I have a biased sample: at no stage in my 56½ years of life, has any government institution given me any reason to trust them – and there is abundant evidence – and solid theoretical priors – why they oughtn’t be trusted.

  131. Were these data obtained from the PCR tests repudiated by the CDC?

    The above article should have included this information.

    I hate how everything anybody writes nowadays is not comprehensive, is not thorough-going, is not complete, is slanted, is cherry-picked, skips important stuff, pretends as if opposing arguments don’t exist so far as to be unthinkable.

    Tell the story or don’t write anything at all.

  132. MGB says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    That remains to be determined; the rest of us might decide it’s our choice to have you interned in A FEMA CAMP!!! the moment you step your unvaccainted ass off your property. Why should we put up with your sides’ determination to infect and maim and kill as many people as you can?

    That’s it. Flush your antipsychotics, Pol Pot, Jr., and embrace your inner ghoul.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: acementhead
  133. @That Would Be Telling

    A. You sound like Professor Irwin Corey.

    B. The vaccine causes the disease and spreads the disease. It is the disease.

  134. A person I know well tested positive for covid weeks after being fully immunized. She is old, and sick. She survived just fine. A uti almost killed her, though.

  135. JimB says:
    @MGB

    Enough with the elder abuse.

    Right. This elder engages in enough self abuse in his Maryland home basement. Seriously, what the hell does Biden do most of the time if he can be kept sentient for only 20 minutes each day.

  136. JimB says:
    @El Dato

    COVID-19 is basically “The Cube” and it will arrange itself around you to give you a hard time.

    That’s certainly the prediction of Dr. Fauci aka Doctor Wu Hanchu

    • LOL: El Dato
    • Replies: @JimB
  137. Xens says:
    @HA

    Unless the disease stops spreading, which is very unlikely ever, there will always be people who age or sicken into the weakened immunity risk zone for this. We are an aging society. Respiratory infections can hang around and stay deadly for just about forever, consider the massive death toll of TB in the 19th century. Luckily this is no Spanish Flu. In fact, adjusted for our more aged society, it’s the Hong Kong Flu.

    As far as this winter, the Florida and Texas and Israel covid waves were right on time for their summer waves, matching last year. And they were bigger than last year’s waves. So there is no reason to think that the upcoming winter waves will not be bigger than last year as well.

    Fauci’s nonsense about 2022 is information-free drivel.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @HA
  138. Ralph L says:
    @DanHessinMD

    I’ve had one or two colds in 30 years of using a humidifier in my bedroom when the furnace is on. When I was slow in setting it up, I almost always got a cold the first week of cold weather. I talked my ex-boss into getting one for our small office.

  139. Mr. Anon says:
    @MGB

    The purpose of masking is to isolate and dehumanize people.

  140. @obwandiyag

    Were these data obtained from the PCR tests repudiated by the CDC?

    […]

    Tell the story or don’t write anything at all.

    You’re demanding he accept one of the most stupid lies about the CDC and RT-PCR, which is “repudiating” their original January/February 2020 RT-PCR test that only looks for SARS-CoV-2 in favor of tests that while they’re at it also check for the flu. It’s all there in the memo:

    CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season.

    And if you follow the link in the memo to FDA authorized tests and click on “Individual EUAs for Molecular Diagnostic Tests for SARS-CoV-2,” if you enter CDC in the search text box, you’ll find two, the one they’re “repudiating,” and their “Influenza SARS-CoV-2 (Flu SC2) Multiplex Assay” which is, surprise, a “Real-time RT-PCR, Multi-analyte” first authorized in July of 2020.

    This sort of profound dishonesty, which you continue in your next message, as noted by others only marginalizes your faction of the Right, while getting a lot of you maimed and killed. The Right’s biggest own goal since Watergate.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  141. Not Raul says:

    It appears to be that once new case counts per day get about 0.1% per day (3.0% per week, 36% per years), locals hunker down and do what it takes to keep from getting much worse, even getting themselves vaccinated. Moreover, herd immunity begins to tighten as large numbers have antibodies either from vaccinations or from natural infections.

    This sounds a lot like what’s been going on in Sweden.

  142. @TomSchmidt

    Somebody got a Nobel Prize for figuring out how to cure syphilis by infection with malaria. Forget who, but easy to look up. You infect with malaria, which causes a high fever. The fever cures incurable syphilis. Then afterwards, you cure the malaria. Cool story.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Fox
    , @TomSchmidt
  143. @BB753

    And remember, myocarditis has a fatality rate of 56 % over a ten year span.

    Could you give a source?

    Is this true for myocarditis in children too?

    Would you say that the not peer-reviewed study The Guardian quotes is rather reliable?

    • Replies: @BB753
    , @BB753
  144. AKAHorace says:
    @Gamecock

    FO, Johnson. The choice of not getting the vaccine is a personal decision. My choice. Me. Your Leftard group politics can kiss my heiny.

    At the start of COVID it was the “leftards” who were against any restrictions on movement and lockdowns. The ACLU had a policy paper that was strongly against any restrictions, saying that the authorities should educate rather than compel people to take measures against disease outbreaks clu.org/report/pandemic-preparedness-need-public-health-not-law-enforcementnational-security-approach

    I don’t think that making this a left/right issue helps in understanding what is happening.

    Full disclosure: I am for masks and vaccination, but think that the lockdowns were probably overdone.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  145. @MGB

    Enough with the elder abuse.

    Voting for Biden itself was elder abuse.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
  146. Mark G. says:
    @John Johnson

    Get off the ship while you can. No one is mutating from the vaccines. They work and the hospitals are filled with people that feel like idiots for refusing them.

    I was in the hospital with Covid in June and after I left I didn’t feel like an idiot because I hadn’t been vaccinated. I felt angry that the medical establishment hadn’t developed and then made available early treatment protocols that would have kept me out of the hospital. There is too much money to be made from letting people get sick enough to be hospitalized and too much money to be made by vaccinating the entire population and then forcing them into endless booster shots for them to search out and promote less expensive alternatives.

    Only a few maverick doctors have tried to develop early treatment protocols. They have been ignored and in some cases demands have been made they have their medical licenses yanked. The official protocols disseminated by government agencies under the control of the medical monopoly are taken to be the final word on what is to be done in treating patients and heretical ideas are to be snuffed out by the force of government.

    When I was in the hospital with Covid, I made a fast recovery once I was given a steroid to reduce lung inflammation. Many of the early treatment protocols that have been developed involve at home use of steroids but you couldn’t get access to these from the many doctors who aren’t adopting these protocols. I got out of the hospital after five days when my hospital doctor came in and looked at me and said I didn’t look sick and he was sending me home. Later my personal physician said it was surprising because my x-rays showed no lung damage at all. That is not the case for many 65 year old people like myself. I attribute my short sickness and rapid recovery to the substances I had been able to get access to like quercetin, zinc, vitamin d, vitamin c, n-acetyl-cysteine and used when I first became sick at home along with the steroid given to me in the hospital, which I also could have taken at home earlier if it had been made available to me. In addition to a steroid, I would have taken Ivermectin and HCQ and other drugs shown to have a potentially positive effect but had no idea how to get those.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  147. Alden says:
    @John Johnson

    I gather that you believe TV internet and other media stories about covid. Why?

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @J.Ross
  148. @HA

    That’s a summarization, not an explanation.

  149. JimB says:
    @JimB

    That’s certainly the prediction of Dr. Fauci aka Doctor Wu Hanchu

    Or better yet, Doctor Wu Hanflu (as in Dr Fu Manchu, the archetypal Dr. Evil of yesteryear).

  150. Gamecock says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    Why should we put up with your sides’ determination to infect and maim and kill as many people as you can??

    So you are a Nazi, too.

    I am not a ‘side.’ I’m a person. I have made a choice. Your lumping me into a group, then demonizing the group, makes you an evil NAZI.

  151. @Alden

    As on every other topic the media lies and gaslights us, it behooves us to be exceedingly sceptical about their covid stories, which have evolved and mutated over the past 18 months even more than the virus.

    Remember “masks don’t do anything”, the ongoing hunt for the pangolin source, the “197 or however many top scientists” declaring it DEFINITELY wasn’t a lab leak about a week after the theory was aired, the way in which Fauci and the US-sponsored Gain Of Function research stories had to be dragged out (and then ignored by the MSM), the fake Lancet report on HCQ, “Trump told us to drink bleach” – and I haven’t even touched 2021 yet.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  152. hhsiii says:

    NYC should be a good test case. City workers go back to 5 day in the office work week tomorrow. Most will be vaccinated, wearing masks, riding the subway. See if they start getting sick anyway.

  153. Wokechoke says:
    @KenH

    If you look at the graphs state by state, the disease originated from chilly new York and Chicago. Then in summer bit into various southern states. The disease likes indoor living. It’s also infected almost everyone by now. Indoor conditions spread it. Now we are hitting large scale immunity with previous infections.

  154. Wokechoke says:
    @Mark G.

    Asthmatics have inhailants with steroids. Which often as not prevented pnumonia.

  155. Wokechoke says:
    @Xens

    If we got a bit Eugenic, the disease is helping us get rid of the sick and mutated. In fact it’s not killed enough of the very old at all.

  156. BB753 says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Myocarditis following covid vaccination is vastly underreported. If you don’t trust the study, check out the numbers.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/david-mallozzi-myocarditis-pfizer-vaccine-hospital-not-reporting-vaers/

    As for mortality rate, the prognosis depends. The younger the patient, the worse the outlook. It varies between 10 to 70 % for chronic cases of myocarditis. Pediatricians aren’t too keen on giving parents this kind of information. “Your child is going to die. The good news is that he’ll probably live a decade or so more, if you’re lucky to get a heart transplant”.
    For the CDC and FDA, dead kids are just numbers that they will try to obfuscate. Vaccines are a business. You shouldn’t trust businessmen or their shills, like Antony Fauci.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Thanks: Dieter Kief
  157. BB753 says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Anyway, there’s a case to made that vaccinating kids doesn’t make any sense unless you’re planning a large scale genocide.
    Here’s a link to an expert statement that was submitted by Italian lawyer Renate Holzeisen in conjunctionwith a lawsuit that challenges the EU’s authorization of the use of Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine on children of 12 years and older:

    “Section 1 will show that vaccination of adolescents COVID-19 is unnecessary, because
    • in this age group the disease is almost always mild and benign;
    • for the rare clinical cases that require it, treatment is readily available;
    • immunity to the disease is now widespread, due to prior infection with the virus
    (SARS-CoV-2) or with other coronavirus strains; and
    • asymptomatic adolescents will not transmit the disease to other individuals who
    might be at greater risk of infection.
    Section 2 will demonstrate that the claims of efficacy which Pfizer attaches to its vaccine—
    namely, 95% efficacy in adults, and 100% in adolescents—are
    • misleading, because these numbers pertain to relative, not absolute efficacy, the latter
    being on the order of only 1%;
    • specious, because they refer to an arbitrarily defined, clinically meaningless evaluation endpoint, whereas no efficacy at all has been demonstrated against severe
    disease or mortality;
    • most likely altogether fraudulent.
    Section 3 will show that the safety profile of the Pfizer vaccine is catastrophically bad. It
    will be discussed that
    • Pfizer, the EMA, and the FDA have systematically neglected evidence from preclinical
    animal trials that clearly pointed to grave dangers of adverse events;
    • the Pfizer vaccine has caused thousands of deaths within five months of its introduction;
    • The agencies that granted emergency use authorization for this vaccine committed
    grave errors and omissions in their assessments of known and possible health risks.
    The only possible conclusion from this analysis is that the use of this vaccine in adolescents cannot be permitted, and that its ongoing use in any and all age groups ought to
    be stopped immediately.”
    https://doctors4covidethics.org/expert-evidence-regarding-comirnaty-covid-19-mrna-vaccine-for-children/

    • Agree: acementhead, Nancy
  158. MGB says:
    @Mark G.

    Well, you’re missing the point. What was needed was the most expensive, intrusive, megalomaniacal response, not the most efficacious. Aside from the fact that the propaganda campaign is the tell, it’s clear that the response, not the bug, has made more worse off. The scum bags running this op were counting on the likes of the over educated retired class like iSteve raised on the Cold War (warp speed is proof of continuing American technical competence) who can’t conceive of a world without them, and the narcissistic professional class who can work from home and obsess over the health of their children by hovering over them while they engage in distance learning and suffocating them with masks and hand sanitizer. Public support for the lockdown seems to be particularly high amongst the AARP crew and professional women, both hectoring, meddlesome types, who want to put you in camps if you don’t submit. What exactly they want to do to us in the FEMA camps they haven’t said exactly, but from the tone of it forced vaccination isn’t the end. You’ll have to re-educated and express your weepy love for the jab. Even then your loyalty will always be suspect. The proselytizers remind me of the H-bomb cult living underground in one of the later ‘Planet of the Apes’ movies, I forget which.

  159. MGB says:

    Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said at a press conference on April 29 that the House couldn’t require members to be vaccinated. Video clips of those remarks gained renewed attention online following Biden’s announcement.

    “So—so here is the thing. We are—we cannot require someone to be vaccinated. That’s just not what we can do. It is a matter of privacy to know who is or who isn’t,” Pelosi said.

    I must have missed this. From one of the most detestable creatures ever to walk the halls of Congress, Nancy ‘my hair appointment transcends the epidemic’ Pelosi.

  160. Jack D says:
    @JimDandy

    How many 14 year old boys are Federal employees?

    • LOL: Alden
    • Replies: @JimDandy
  161. @The Alarmist

    “Decades of prior research” in which all prior trials in vivo failed, killing most of the test animals.

    Again with the blatant lies, although I’m surprised to find an anti-vaxxer repeating this one after the animals and humans for COVID 19 vaccines suffered no such fates, which all can see for the latter. It doesn’t take much time with ClinicalTrials.gov to discover four of these vaccine approaches got far enough with MERS for Phase I trials on humans including AZ/Oxford, which fortuitously had spent a good part of 2019, perhaps starting even earlier to be able to start for real a Phase I MERS vaccine candidate test in Saudi Arabia in mid-December 2019.

    And again your type allow scientists no agency, they’re doomed to repeat failures instead of, you know, doing SCIENCE!!!, figuring out what went wrong and fixing that, be it the 2P tweak for stabilizing spike proteins, Janssen’s addition to that, and I recently read about something clever Bharat Biotech did for their Covaxin inactivated whole virus vaccine. The latter type vaccine of course was the first approach tried for SARS, which as you mention failed in its animal trials.

    • Replies: @interesting
  162. FPD72 says:
    @Mark G.

    “In addition to a steroid, I would have taken Ivermectin and HCQ and other drugs shown to have a potentially positive effect but had no idea how to get those.”

    The FLCCC web site maintains a list of physicians who will prescribe Ivermectin. Most of them are available via teleconference.

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/how-to-get-ivermectin/

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  163. Jack D says:
    @ThreeCranes

    It’s not the Black Death but it’s not just the flu either. Driven mainly by Covid, US life expectancy decline 1.5 years in 2020, a drop that is unprecedented in the modern era. While this is not the End of the World, it is a serious public health crisis than can’t just be shrugged off or ignored. While it’s true that the risk of death for the young is quite low, for the elderly it is quite significant. There are diseases that are comparable killers (cancer, heart disease) but for infectious diseases, nothing comes close.

    • Replies: @VivaLaMigra
  164. Jack D says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Whatever lies the media has told pale in comparison to the lies that anti-vaxxers tell every day. Just on this thread there are dozens of outright falsehoods – that herd immunity is not possible, that Covid vaccines don’t work and are therefore responsible for the most recent waves, that Covid has a 99.9999% survival rate in healthy adults, etc.

  165. @Mark G.

    There is too much money to be made from letting people get sick enough to be hospitalized and too much money to be made by vaccinating the entire population and then forcing them into endless booster shots for them to search out and promote less expensive alternatives.

    The vast majority of hospitals are non-profit.

    It’s the insurance companies and private practices that are for-profit.

    The hospitals are short staffed and the employees are stressed thanks to the unvaccinated. They are on fixed budgets but have to take what comes through the door.

    Hospital directors have been begging people to get the shot. You don’t understand how hospitals work if you think this is somehow profit driven.

  166. @AKAHorace

    At the start of COVID it was the “leftards” who were against any restrictions on movement and lockdowns. The ACLU had a policy paper that was strongly against any restrictions, saying that the authorities should educate rather than compel people to take measures against disease outbreaks clu.org/report/pandemic-preparedness-need-public-health-not-law-enforcementnational-security-approach

    Yes both left and right seem to forget that they flipped on this.

    It was Biden and the MSM that called Trump’s travel restrictions xenophobic. Wanting to end flights from China was described as having a medical fear of immigrants.

    NY Mayor De Blasio was against lockdowns and went out to eat in defiance.

    Harris said she wouldn’t be taking Trump’s vaccine because it was rushed.

    The WHO condemned Trump for locking down flights and then later reversed their position.

  167. J.Ross says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    If you cure your patient, how will you get money out of him?

  168. I read through a number of comments but didn’t see anyone point out the simple FACT that “Delta” came from the Third World Shit Hole known as “India,” a place so filthy that even the WHO [the corrupt UN org, not the geezer rock band] admits that 600,000,000 of their billion and a half human petri dishes crap and piss out in the street daily. They’re so stupid or lazy that they won’t even use “organized latrines” – IOW, they won’t dig a slit trench and shovel dirt over their crap, as has been common practice among armies in the field for centuries. Why are we allowing travel to and from this massive open-air toilet? I’m waiting for a rational answer – one that doesn’t include “racism” or “diversity.” I’ll STILL be waiting tomorrow.

  169. @Jack D

    My bet is that the “drop” in life expectancy you cite is purely among the current elderly, who had been “expected” to live to 83, 84, or whatever and are now shuffling off this mortal coil eighteen months ahead of “schedule.” What about the “life expectancy” of someone 30, 40, or 50? Or, for that matter, a newborn? If that decline is to be believed, then new pathogens will have to continue to spring up over the next several decades. Such a scenario is not implausible, given that the Third World Shit Holes contain, as Carl Sagan famously said, “billions and billions” of human petri dishes wallowing in worsening poverty and filth. At some point in time, the First World will have to give up on this “globalism” BS and wall off those open-air toilets from civilization, once and for all.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  170. Jack D says:
    @V. Hickel

    How are they going to prove that you are lying about your religious beliefs?

    Can’t you see that they don’t really want more than a handful of scapegoats (pick out a few older white guys to put on TV) to lose their jobs? The last thing the Democrats want is for millions and millions of peoples of color to be fired as a result of Biden’s initiative.

    This was a big one-day publicity push and then it’s going to fade away like a lot of Federal “initiatives”, lost in a quagmire of eternal litigation and invoking of exceptions, etc. The same Federal government that can’t control our border also can’t actually force everyone to get a vaccine.

    As I said at the beginning, it would be miraculous if they got even HALF of the people supposedly covered by this initiative vaccinated and the other half AIN’T gonna lose their jobs. In addition to religious and medical exceptions, weekly testing is another available exception. They are hoping that a certain % of the non-vaccinated will give in to the pressure and inconvenience of weekly testing and take the shot. They realize that the really, really die-hard antivaxxers like the guys who post so vehemently here ain’t gonna take it unless you tie them to a chair (which they have no intention of doing) but they are hoping (correctly I think although I don’t know the exact %) that a certain % of the un-vaxxed are just mildly indifferent and can be successfully pressured.

  171. utu says:
    @Marquis

    Have you read the paper? I doubt it. Look at Table 2

    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  172. @Jack D

    Whatever lies the media has told pale in comparison to the lies that anti-vaxxers tell every day. Just on this thread there are dozens of outright falsehoods – that herd immunity is not possible, that Covid vaccines don’t work and are therefore responsible for the most recent waves, that Covid has a 99.9999% survival rate in healthy adults, etc.

    I don’t understand the attitude I see here which is that lies on one side somehow necessitates truth on the other.

    Both the MSM and the anti-vaxx movement are filled with liars.

    Both sides can’t get their story consistent.

    The anti-vaxx side can’t even agree on if the virus exists or not. They of course agree that the vaccines are bad but can’t consistently explain why or even face verifiable realities like overloaded hospitals. I actually had someone here tell me that the videos of Italian hospitals with patients in the hallways were faked.

    The MSM has been telling lies about the origin from the start. They never wanted a full investigation and sided with the WHO’s half-assed explanation as THE SCIENCE but then later backtracked. Now they just want us to forget about the origin and some liberal in the post even said we are better off not knowing.

    But just because the MSM is filled to the brim with lying globalists doesn’t somehow invalidate the vaccines. It wasn’t Washington Post or NY Times editors that created them in labs. Trump is the one that funded them and it was Harris that said they were being developed too quickly to be safe. Amusingly she changed her mind after the MSM depicted them as Biden’s vaccines.

    • Thanks: Inquiring Mind
  173. Travis says:
    @Kratoklastes

    is was sad to see Steve fall for the propaganda and panic despite some good data available in April 2020 which indicated the only people at risk from CV were the elderly and the obese.

    Stanford Epidemiologist John Ioannidis was correct back in April 2020. He figure it out early based on the the seroprevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in California. Steve even had a post on it and stated “Infection Rate in Silicon Valley in Early April Was 1% to 6%, Suggesting Infection Fatality Rate Is Much Lower Than Case Fatality Rate” – Steve Sailer April 17, 2020 https://www.unz.com/isteve/infection-rate-in-silicon-valley-was-under-5-in-early-april/

    Dr. Ioannidis is back again with his assessment of “age-related survival rates” for Covid-19 that he said “would bring this mad panic to an end.” He confirmed his earlier work, this virus is Highly Treatable and RARELY a deadly disease.
    https://thenewamerican.com/stanford-epidemiologist-studies-covid-finds-its-highly-treatable-and-rarely-a-deadly-disease/

    Early last year, Stanford professor John Ioannidis stated that if we didn’t know a new virus called COVID existed, we might just “have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average.” Now Ioannidis has done research that vindicates that statement, finding that the coronavirus’ infection fatality rate (IFR) in most of the world is less than 0.20 percent — much like that of the flu. Rising to .5% IFR for those aged 60-69 and 1% for those 70-79.

  174. roonaldo says:

    As sufferers of adverse reactions to the mRNA therapies flock to emergency rooms so that hospitals may mislabel and maltreat them in exchange for federal covid bribe money, Washington Governator Inslee just announced a brilliant plan sure to stem the tide–face diapers at all outdoor events of 500 or more people.

    Having acquired Herd Conformity, the Seattle Mariner front office agreed to broadcast their new take on an old favorite:

    Take your mask to the ballgame,
    Take your mask to the game.

    We’ve banned peanuts and Crackerjack,
    I do swear, we’ll shove masks up your ass.

    And who gives a hoot for the home team,
    On a whim we’ll cancel the game.

    And sit one-two-three yards apart,
    At the old ball game!

  175. Fox says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    That was Julius Wagner-Jauregg. It might be of interest that until a few years ago his grave in Vienna was maintained by the city (“Ehrengrab”), but this status of special honor was removed due to interventions because Wagner-Jauregg was sympathetic to National Socialism.

  176. @Jack D

    “Whatever lies the media has told pale in comparison to the lies that anti-vaxxers tell every day”

    I was going to answer this honestly, assuming good intent on your part, but I’m not so sure about that when I think about it.

    I explained why people who are lied to “every day, in every way” by MSM have every right to treat their covid pronouncements with caution and scepticism, and you produce a whole harvest field of straw men (“99.9999% survival rate in healthy adults“) from Unz commentators, 95%+ of whom are anonymous and who for all I know may be trolls.

    We have gone from “protect the elderly and vulnerable, they need the jab” seamlessly to “vaccinate EVERYONE, because the unvaccinated are in danger of passing on Covid to those who were vaccinated to protect them against Covid“.

    Does not compute. The chances of non-fat, non-ill people under 40 dying of Covid are extremely low. I do not understand the mania for jabbing everyone.

    ############################## MY ORIGINAL RESPONSE ################

    But they are random people on the Interwebs – we literally have no idea who most of them are, and the MSM people are supposedly honest brokers of information – which they aren’t.

    They behave much as a media would be expected to behave in a country at war, where there’s only one right side (“OURS!”) and there’s no limit (beyond what people are prepared to swallow uncritically) on what propaganda may be directed at the enemy. Academia is also increasingly both a producer and a transmitter of such propaganda.

    This strikes me as profoundly unhealthy behaviour, and worrying, as if they are at war, the enemy appears to be us – or me at any rate. Your mileage may vary.

  177. epebble says:
    @V. Hickel

    It is Perjury, more than a firing offense. A person convicted of perjury under federal law may face up to five years in prison and fines. But widespread prosecutions are obviously not feasible if millions choose to perjure themselves. This is like Vietnam Draft-dodging; you can only send so many people to jail. So, it will become like traffic offense. Most people escape; a few are prosecuted to make an example of.

  178. HA says:
    @Fox

    “Remind me again, what is the purpose of these vaccines?”

    I think I explained that already — consider the lowly regular flu vaccine, which also requires a best-guess rejiggering every year (and only lasts about six months give or take) and therefore isn’t guaranteed to be as effective if some new or unforeseen variant happens to come along in the next few months.

    Despite that, getting a flu shot reduces your chances of dying from the disease, even if after getting it you wind up with the flu. Your odds of having an easier time with it still improve. That’s what doctors were saying for years and years before COVID came around and you can find plenty of older links that verify that, so there’s no need to turn any of that into a political football or Facebook memes featuring eagles and lions and sheep or whatever. Same goes with COVID.

    [MORE]

    As for threatening people who don’t get jabbed, that’s a more general problem regarding vaccine free-riders who enjoy the benefits of public spaces in which most people are vaccinated, without going through the effort and possible side-effects involved in getting jabbed. At some point, that whole thing is going to boil over, and if all you Enoch Powell fan boys and rivers-of-blood prognosticators can supposedly see that happening with immigration from miles away, then you need to be consistent enough to admit that something similar is going to happen with regard to vaccine free-riders and people like that, and try to raise the alarm beforehand for everyone’s sake. You can’t always accommodate both sides, and since it’s only one commons, the guys who think it’s OK to litter and who tell everyone else “if you don’t like littering, just don’t do it and leave me and mine alone” are eventually going to get shoved out, or else the whole commons is going to turn into one big trash dump. If someone explodes and shoots a litterbug in the face, I will condemn it and support stuffing the shooter into a cell, but even so, my tears for the litterbug will be meager. Same is true if some baby dies of measles because the anti-vaxxers next door couldn’t be bothered to vaccinate their own little snowflakes, whereupon the father of that dead baby loses it and explodes.

    Also, ICU beds are a limited resource. Once they fill up, then even people who aren’t my-body-my-choice sociopaths are going to die, because the staff is too busy tending people who could have done something to lessen the load but didn’t. The state has an interest in limiting that. There are always checks and balances, and reasonable accommodations, etc., but they don’t extend to listening to loons and quacks.

    Same thing with EMT’s — they’re a limited resource too, and it is in the state’s interest that when an accident happens, there are as few people as possible at the crash site requiring their services. That’s why we fine people who don’t put on their safety belts and who dismantle air bags (even though car wrecks are not contagious and even though we admit that seat belts can sometimes trap you and kill you and air bags have been known to literally decapitate smaller people). Yeah, it’s your body and your choice, and the great American freedom of the open road, rah-rah-rah, but I’m not swayed by your libertarian feel-good slogans. I paid for the road just like you did, and the EMT’s, and I’d rather slap a fine on you than have to increase the EMT or ICU capacity by a factor of 2 or 3 to accommodate your hesitancy to wrinkle your suit with a seat belt, or your conspiracy theories about supposedly untested vaccines.

  179. BB753 says:
    @Kratoklastes

    You’re correct, after the Pearl Princess results came out, it became obvious that Covid was a nothingburger, on its way to join SARS-CoV1 into oblivion. But then big government and big pharma and Klaus Schwab stepped in… Chaos ensued.
    Ioannides was right al along.

    • Agree: Travis
  180. HA says:
    @Xens

    “Unless the disease stops spreading, which is very unlikely ever, there will always be people who age or sicken into the weakened immunity risk zone for this.”

    Old and weak people might well be around forever. COVID, not so much. Whatever lingering variants remain are going to be less and less effective, because they won’t be novel.

    One thing we saw with the original variant was that homeless people were getting infected right and left, but they were curiously asymptomatic (even though, contrary to widely held opinions, their Vitamin D levels are generally below what they need to be).

    One explanation for that (we’re actually still not sure if it’s the right one) is that homeless people, hanging out in soup kitchens and bread lines, have already hoovered up penty of known coronavirus es that are part of that grab-bag of diseases known as the common cold. In other words, even an acquired immunity to a KNOWN coronavirus might offer protection against COVID. (Maybe all that has changed with delta, but if it has, I missed it.) Again, once the novelty is gone, the lethality dwindles.

    [MORE]

    Yes, some will continue to die, and some people die of regular flu every year, too. That’s how it is. But deaths have to be in the hundreds of thousands range before we can justify shutting things down because the lockdowns themselves are costly and harmful. Everyone knows this, even the CDC who recommended them this time around based on what they were guessing the death toll was going to be (and were subsequently proven correct). Before delta came around (and hopefully after it peters out) the death toll for the last six months was right about average. This is also why we don’t shut down for TB which takes out about 500 people a year. Whatever counter measure are put in place have to kill fewer than that, otherwise they are not worth it.

    Again, that’s not a prediction. But at this point, I’ll settle for just a reason to remain hopeful.

  181. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:

    Breaking: Twitter Scientists announce they have developed the hottest known take ever to exist in the universe; Planck temperature tweets projected by 2022

  182. HA says:
    @Mark G.

    “Only a few maverick doctors have tried to develop early treatment protocols.”

    No, plenty of doctors world-wide tried to develop early treatment protocols. Every other month, Israeli doctors were issueing press releases about some promising therapy they were presumably trying to secure the last round of funding for. After that, crickets. I’m not saying they didn’t do the right thing, but curing COVID is not easy, which makes the vaccines that much more of a blessing.

    The WSJ did a write-up of numerous COVID therapy research. The fact that these are not all “early treatment protocols” doesn’t mean the same problems don’t apply, i.e. “a lack of relevant research, a scattered array of clinical trials and a fragmented U.S. healthcare system”. To the extent COVID put a spotlight on all that, that’s a good thing. Chances are, however, that when the spotlight fades, we’ll go back to not worrying about it and then wondering why we don’t do this or that the next time things explode.

    “I was in the hospital with Covid in June and after I left I didn’t feel like an idiot because I hadn’t been vaccinated.”

    You lost me there. That seems like just the kind of thing an idiot would say. Dunning-Kruger for the win.

    But that being said, I’m sincerely sorry you had COVID and that you had to go to the hospital for it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  183. Corvinus says:
    @obwandiyag

    “I hate how everything anybody writes nowadays is not comprehensive, is not thorough-going, is not complete, is slanted, is cherry-picked, skips important stuff, pretends as if opposing arguments don’t exist so far as to be unthinkable. Tell the story or don’t write anything at all.”

    Including iSteve?

  184. @Chrisnonymous

    I was unaware. Now I am:
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27165455/

    In 1917, the Austrian physician Julius Wagner-Jauregg (1857-1940) induced fever in these patients by infecting them with malaria parasites; in 1927, he received the Nobel Prize for his discovery of the healing properties of malarial fever. One source, not cited anywhere, is an interview that the American bacteriologist and science writer/medical journalist Paul de Kruif conducted with Wagner-Jauregg in 1930. The reporting of this meeting, and De Kruif’s later involvement in the mechanical heat treatment of patients with syphilis, form the inspiration for this article. When penicillin became available, both treatments became obsolete.

  185. @HA

    It also helps when people don’t conflate reported correlated deaths with “vaccination-induced” deaths, the anti-vaxxers resolutely insist people aren’t capable of dying of anything other than trauma after they get COVID vaccinations. At this point I don’t believe any who aren’t idiots are doing it in good will, there’s too much out there on this including in the reporting systems web pages like the US CDC’s for VAERS, for example from the first link I just found in my history:

    If a health problem is reported to VAERS, that doesn’t mean that the vaccine caused the problem. It warns vaccine safety experts of potential problems that they may need to assess, and it alerts them to take further action, as needed.

    Which is in the middle of a set of bullet points on what it is and how the CDC and FDA actually use it. Further down it mentions that all severe adverse events are investigated, that includes asking for their medical records to provide more context, more details on the limitations of the raw VAERS data, even a couple of videos.

    This willful ignorance or deceit allows them to construct fantasies where whatever good effects they might allow vaccines to provide are totally overwhelmed by bad ones. These people also dismiss how these Phase IV post-marketing surveillance systems have resulted in every authorized Western vaccine except for the unobtainium of Sputnik V getting at a black mark against it, clots for the adenovirus vaccines, heart and heart lining inflammation for the mRNA ones. Which was generically expected, no biologic or drug is completely safe, it only needs to be judged safe and effective compared to the alternative, which here is pretty dire for people starting in their thirties at a minimum.

    OK, some are perhaps “terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought,” but that doesn’t make them worth listening to.

    • Thanks: Jack D
  186. Jack D says:
    @Mark G.

    I would have taken Ivermectin and HCQ and other drugs shown to have a potentially positive effect but had no idea how to get those.

    Here’s an idea – go on Amazon.com and type “Ivermectin”.

    I’ve been giving my dog horse paste Ivermectin as an alternative to those expensive Heartgard pills for years (I paid \$3 for a tube back in the day before Ivermectin was the “cure” for Covid). The dosage for heartworm prevention is extremely low – measured in MICROgrams (millionths of a gram). Much lower than the dose for deworming a horse (which weighs 20x as much) with active parasites. 1 tube of horse paste is much more than you could ever use for this application before it goes out of date unless you had like a whole kennel full of dogs. But those pills are ridiculously overpriced, like \$10/pill, especially considering that they contain so little Ivermectin. The hardest part is measuring a small enough dose accurately but there’s a pretty large range of tolerance for Ivermectin so it’s not like Tylenol for humans where even a small overdose is going to destroy your liver.

  187. epebble says:

    But those pills are ridiculously overpriced, like \$10/pill, especially considering that they contain so little Ivermectin.

    Veterinary and Human pharmaceuticals have different standards and certification requirements. One thing, FDA approval for human drugs obviously has to meet higher standards of purity and efficacy. Human food is also more expensive than pet food/livestock food even if the ingredients are similar. Another thing: Animals (or their owners) rarely sue when things go wrong. An apology letter, a coupon for free stuff or small monetary settlement works. With human drugs, a mistake may mean the company goes out of business.

  188. Jack D says:
    @HA

    curing COVID is not easy, which makes the vaccines that much more of a blessing.

    Curing ANY viral disease is not easy. Anti-biotics have really been revolutionary for bacterial diseases but anti-virals not so much. A bacteria is a living thing so you can kill it in some fashion, find some poison that kills bacteria but doesn’t kill you. Many such compounds already exist in nature because things like molds need to defend themselves against bacterial infection and produce antibiotics that can be found in soil and then grown in culture. Molds have been “working” on solving this problem for millions of years, long before mammals even existed and they’ve had a lot of success.

    But viruses are not really “alive” to begin with and are specific to certain species such that you’re not going to find an anti-viral against Covid (or against flu or measles or chicken pox, etc.) in the dirt of a golf course. And the few alleged anti-virals they have found (e.g. Tamiflu) have very limited effectiveness despite the fact that they have been trying for decades. In order to have any effect at all Tamiflu has to be given within 48hrs, which is before a lot of people are even diagnosed. A lot of studies rate it as more or less worthless or maybe even more risky than the disease itself. There is some evidence that flu viruses have already mutated to avoid it – apparently a single amino acid substitution is all that is needed to render it ineffective. Chances are that if Ivermectin actually worked at all, Covid would just mutate around it sooner or later (probably sooner rather than later).

    Before Covid, flu was a big annual killer so if there was a good anti-viral for it, it would have been a big life saver (and money maker) but they never really found anything that was truly effective despite trying a lot and for a long time (although a human “long time” means a couple of decades vs. the millions of years molds have been trying to foil bacteria) . Vaccines OTOH are well proven life savers for many viral diseases.

    • Thanks: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  189. Dmon says:
    @Jack D

    “Whatever lies the media has told pale in comparison to the lies that anti-vaxxers tell every day. Just on this thread there are dozens of outright falsehoods – that herd immunity is not possible, that Covid vaccines don’t work and are therefore responsible for the most recent waves, that Covid has a 99.9999% survival rate in healthy adults, etc.”

    Let’s see:
    A bunch of questionably accurate but not beyond the realm of possibility opinions proffered up by a handful of people who would be canceled from human existence were they not commenting anonymously on an obscure blog for the reading pleasure of about 30 people.
    vs.
    A massive intentional campaign of lies , obfuscations and cover-ups by giant legally privileged media corporations collaborating with government and financial actors to control the flow of information and suppress dissent.

    OK – you’re right. Totally equal culpability on both sides.

    • Agree: Peterike, vinteuil
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  190. Travis says:

    Why is the USA requiring vaccination for all with an outdated vax, when many have already been infected, recovered, developed natural immunity? Stop. Think. Why the censorship? Why the mandates? Why the constant propaganda push these vaccines on teens and young adults who have almost zero risk of being hospitalized with COVID?

    The vast Majority of those Hospitalized are over the age of 50 , similar to last year when less than 4% of those Hospitalized are under the age of 20. Getting our teenagers vaccinated will not stop the spread for the same reason vaccinating 77% of people over 20 did not stop the spread.

    • Replies: @HA
  191. @utu

    “Participants in both groups received materials and instructions for antibody testing on receipt and at 1 month. ”

    “Participants tested for SARS-CoV-2 IgM and IgG antibodies in whole blood using a point-of-care test (Lateral Flow test [Zhuhai Livzon Diagnostics]) according to the manufacturer’s recommendations and as previously described (26). After puncturing a fingertip with a lancet, they withdrew blood into a capillary tube and placed 1 drop of blood followed by 2 drops of saline in the test chamber in each of the 2 test plates (IgM and IgG). Participants reported IgM and IgG results separately as “1 line present” (negative), “2 lines present” (positive), or “I am not sure, or I could not perform the test” (treated as a negative result). Participants were categorized as seropositive if they had developed IgM, IgG, or both. The manufacturer reported that sensitivity was 90.2% and specificity 99.2%.”

    According to Table 2, looking ONLY at the IgM andIgG test results, 31/33 were positive out of N=2392 in the masked group, respectively, and 37/32 were positive out of N=2470 in the unmasked group. No participants who were IgM/IgG positive at the initiation of the study were included. So, eliminating PCR makes the results even MORE inconclusive for mask wearing protecting the wearer, since there were NO PCR diagnoses amongst the masked, and five amongst the unmasked.

    • Replies: @utu
  192. @Jack D

    Curing ANY viral disease is not easy. Anti-biotics have really been revolutionary for bacterial diseases but anti-virals not so much. A bacteria is a living thing so you can kill it in some fashion, find some poison that kills bacteria but doesn’t kill you. Many such compounds already exist in nature because things like molds need to defend themselves against bacterial infection and produce antibiotics that can be found in soil and then grown in culture. Molds have been “working” on solving this problem for millions of years, long before mammals even existed and they’ve had a lot of success.

    This is made easy by bacteria being “prokaryotes” and we being “eukaryotes,” with very substantial biochemical and anatomical differences between us. So for example the ribosomes and associated enzymes which use mRNA!!! to synthesize all proteins are sufficiently different that azithromycin and other members of the macrolide family of antibiotics can interfere with them and not our own ribosomes.

    But viruses are not really “alive” to begin with

    Here we have a problem much like cancer, both virus hijacked cells and cancer cells are deranged, but still use basic cell machinery like that described above to do their own thing, grow without restriction or pump out viral proteins. So less targeted chemotherapy as well as radiation can result in weird and distant from the cancer side effects like loss of hair.

    And as you detail, we’ve had very little luck with small molecule drugs in helping acute viral infections (chronic like with herpes viruses and HIV are another story as I understand). Thus researchers start out with intense skepticism that HCQ or ivermectin will be any better than Tamifu/oseltamivir, and you are correct, strains of the flu can indeed become resistant to it.

    Or if they help, it won’t be by directly interfering with the virus, like being a competitive inhibitor of one of the flu’s viral enzymes like Tamifu. Given how little we know about the natural history of SARS-CoV-2, the NIH for example is undecided on ivermectin, but I doubt is expecting it to turn out to be a miracle drug. Plus they know compared to a vaccine it won’t save people who don’t seek treatment until it’s too late.

    • Thanks: Jack D
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  193. @utu

    “Masks offered 50% protection among people who were symptomatic (Group C) and 100% protection among people who were RT-PCR positive (Group B).”

    Of course, those groups were far smaller in size in comparison to the antibody groups. Since you’re highlighting these facts from the study, do you have a measurement on reliability or P-value for these subgroups?

    The study team seems to have missed this, despite a :
    ” third post hoc analysis, which investigated constellations of patient characteristics, (and) did not find a subgroup where face masks were effective at conventional levels of statistical significance (data not shown).”

    Why not suggest it to them?

  194. zacie says:

    Maybe the CDC should have a color coded COVID threat level to tell Steve how scared he should be on any given day. It worked for DHS, right? Whaddaya say, Steve, are we at threat level Orange (High) or Yellow (Elevated) today?

  195. JimDandy says:
    @Jack D

    Stop with the Pizzagate shit, Jack.

  196. Jack D says:
    @VivaLaMigra

    The way “life expectancy” works is that it’s an average. So if it didn’t cut the lifespan of the average 30 and younger person old by any significant amount (and it didn’t), that means that it took several years off the life of the average older person. And since not every old person died, that means that for the ones who did, several years were lost. If you are 84, your life expectancy was another 6 or 7 years and if you die of Covid, it has been cut to zero. It can’t be 18 months for dead 84 year olds and zero for 30, 40 50 year olds and living 84 year olds because then the average no longer comes out to 18 months.

    Life expectancy is measured year by year so if Covid is cured and there are no new diseases, it should spring back up in future years. Maybe even go up a little because the people who died of Covid were generally of below average health.

    • Replies: @MGB
  197. @Kratoklastes

    Great comment, as usual.

    It was obvious in March 2020 that this thing only killed people who were already very sick.

    After Diamond Princess it was clear that even a boat full of old moderately-sick people were largely immune. (Only ~700 cases (400 asymp) and 14 deaths-with out of a population of 3711 – and 90% of the deaths were over 70, and there were zero deaths among the younger, healthy crew).

    Incontrovertibly correct. The Diamond Princess Petrie Dish proved that there was nothing to worry about, as I pointed out Apr 09 last year.

    acementhead says:
    April 9, 2020 at 11:19 pm GMT • 1.4 years ago • 300 Words ↑
    @utu
    The Diamond Princess experiment shows that there is nothing to worry about.

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-death-rate

    As of February 20, tests of most of the 3,711 people aboard the Diamond Princess confirmed that 634, or 17 percent, had the virus; 328 of them did not have symptoms at the time of diagnosis. Of those with symptoms, the fatality ratio was 1.9 percent,

    Only 17% had the virus when tested and more than half of those with the virus were asymptomatic. So of those exposed to the virus, everybody on board, only ~8% became ill at all. Of those who developed symptoms at all a majority do not become really sick. and do not require any medical care at all.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/fighting-the-worldwide-war-on-death/#comment-3827401

  198. MGB says:
    @Jack D

    If you are 84, your life expectancy was another 6 or 7 years and if you die of Covid, it has been cut to zero.

    That’s not the way it works. If you’re an 84 yo black male nursing home resident in Mississippi with Alzheimer’s and diabetes you do not have the same life expectancy as an 84 yo white female from Connecticut living independently, golfing 9 holes a day. She’s probably got another 11 years. He’s got 11 months, maybe. 84 yo LTC residents, on average, don’t have another ‘6 or 7 years’. How many 84 yo who were classified as COVID deaths were LTC residents?

  199. HA says:
    @Travis

    “Why is the USA requiring vaccination for all with an outdated vax, when many have already been infected, recovered, developed natural immunity?”

    It’s not requiring vaccination for all, last time I checked. Witness the fact that there are plenty of unvaxxed people around. In fact, you need to redo all those year-on-year comparison graphs by breaking out vaxxed and unvaxxed and see which of those groups is causing the bulk of the stress on the hospital care system and the bulk of the ICU visits and deaths, and it might go a ways towards answering some of your other questions.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  200. @That Would Be Telling

    https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/journal-scans/2021/05/24/14/42/the-proportion-of-sarscov2

    Conclusions:
    A substantial but wide-ranging proportion of persons with a SARS-CoV-2 infection are asymptomatic.

    Explain in detail why these folks need a vaccine to something they are immune to.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  201. Fox says:
    @HA

    I didn’t see your earlier comment; it seems, however, that it would have not enlightened me of any other viewpoint of yours.
    I don’t consider myself as a free rider of the virtuous behavior of injectees such as you. To the contrary, I wholeheartily wish you well for the journey you have taken. If everything is true they are telling, you will not be as strongly affected by a Covid infection as those who have not submitted to the Vaccine; you may still get Covid, you may still pass it on; you may still need one of those ICU beds, and you may be a factory for the production of the new virulent strains of Covid we are foretold to be subjected to by giving the vaccine-resistant variants free reign to multiply in you.
    So be it.
    What I find strange is that you don’t perceive any other dimension in this maniacally propagated Covid meme than a concern for Public Health.
    I do; I see the rapid establishment of a totalitarian system of governance. Travel restrictions; employment conditional of a ‘vaccination’ that is at most a means of blunting on an individual level effects of an infection that is harmless to the great majority who have it. From the tone you choose in your text, I can already perceive a coming accusation of terrorism for refusing to submit to the vaccination mandate.
    I believe that it was in 2009 that the then-propagated Swine Flu was to be turned into a “””Pandemic”””, but the nascent vaccination campaign was halted when 26 people died from its effects. I also believe that a similar course of action was to be taken in 1976 when an official of the NIH made it public and was fired over it. The Swine Flu pandemic was then cancelled for the time being in 1976.
    Note also the strange coincidence of Trumps inimical stance towards globalism, the upcoming presidential election, the just-failed impeachment and the propagation of the ‘pandemic’.
    I still don’t know anyone who has had covid, I also don’t read the newspaper, nor do I watch television. Hence, I don’t see any evidence for a pandemic; no dead people lying on the sidewalk, as one would expect in areal emergency with millions of dead, I don’t see more hearses on the street than before the ‘pandemic’, nor are there more ambulances to be noticed. If general mortality is higher than two years ago, it can’t be significant, and considering the isolation especially the elderly and oftentimes lonely have been subjected to, I wouldn’t be surprised to find more deaths in that age group than before the ‘pandemic’.

    Not even when polio was a real concern was there such an abnormal campaign to bring everyone in line.
    I am not generally against vaccinations, but I am against fake vaccinations which are aimed at something quite different than Public Health.

    • Replies: @HA
  202. utu says:
    @TomSchmidt

    The reason that I concentrate on clinical diagnosis and PCR tests is because the antibody test results do not make sense. The study lasted one month for each group: 14 Apr – 15 May and 2 May – 2 Jun. In that period in 30 days Denmark had 4,300 cases on average which is about 0.07% of Denmark population.

    In the study chiefly because of the antibody tests they registered 2% infections which is 28x higher rate of infection than the official infection rate based on clinical diagnostics and PCR in Denmark. The discrepancy is just too high. (*) For this reason one has to be skeptical about the self-administered antibody tests which probably had much larger fraction of false positive than what manufacturer’s specs promised.

    The samples are small and it is hard to argue statistical validity but if you look at numbers only according to clinical diagnosis masks are 50% effective and according to PCR test masks are 100% effective.

    I am not claiming that these are the results one should take home. I saying that the study has many flaws and one of it is high rate of false positives in antibody testes. The study belongs to trash.

    (*) There are some crazies like Sunetra Gupta, John Ioannidis and other Koch bothers’ lackeys of Stanford who would claim that the 28x higher infection rate based on antibody test would reflect true infection rate. Sunetra Gupta in March 2020 was claiming that 50% of UK has been already infected. And we know how it went with anti body tests in Santa Clara county by the fabulous crew of Stanford. If we applied 28x factor to Denmark official infection data of Feb 2021 we would get 100% prevalence in Denmark. Since then another 150,000 Danes got infected or with 28x multiplier another 4.2 million of phantom Danes and Vikings.

  203. utu says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    John Ioannidis? I am not surprised. Supposedly during times of Scott Fitzgerald there were no second acts in American lives. But nowadays you deny and lie so Ioannidis may get lucky. For Hemingway courage was grace under pressure but nowadays it is in your face chutzpah what counts as courage. I guess it may something to do with the fact that the elites have changed since 1930s.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  204. I don’t care what the criminal jerk the media calls president, does or thinks. There is so much bad on this guy, that it’s silly to even talk of him as being legitimate. As the left said about Trump, Biden’s not my president.

  205. @That Would Be Telling

    You talk nothing but gobbledegook. A lot of people are impressed by gobbledegook. It sounds so authoritative. But if you know how to read English it doesn’t even make sense.

  206. @That Would Be Telling

    So – it is not impossible that Ivermectin is useful in early treatment, as many doctors actually treating Covid-patients have claimed (Pierre Coury in Texas, Jackie Stone in Zimbabwe et. al.).

    https://medicalupdateonline.com/2021/04/managing-covid-19-with-ivermectin-in-zimbabwe/

    • Replies: @Jack D
  207. @Kratoklastes

    A fourty-year-old woman I know – married mother of two kids, quite fit, because she does a fair amount of physical excercise – even though she is indeed ca. 50 pounds overweight – is actually in the intensive care. – She came back from the Balkans, visiting relatives. often in 1 air-conditioned room (windows closed) with two to three dozen relatives of all ages.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  208. Jack D says:
    @Dieter Kief

    So – it is not impossible that Ivermectin is useful

    I don’t think that was supposed to be the takeaway of TWBT’s post. I don’t get that AT ALL from reading it.

    The standard for FDA drug approval is not “not impossible”. It is “safe and effective”. It’s “not impossible” that Currywurst is useful in Covid treatment either.

    Isolated small trials have shown some positive effects but (most) meta-analyses have shown zero effect. If Pfizer had the patent on Ivermectin and was pushing it for Covid treatment, people here would go nuts about what an unproven treatment it was and how it’s all a plot to take our money, etc.

  209. Jack D says:
    @Dieter Kief

    even though she is indeed ca. 50 pounds overweight

    See, that’s the problem. Mr. K tells us that any any “metabolially-normal person under 80” is a pearl clutching ninny if they worry about Covid. But it turns out that a lot of people under 80 are NOT metabolially-normal. If a female is 50 lbs. overweight, she is not metabolially-normal and if she gets Covid she may end up in the ICU and Mr. K’s no worries guaranty doesn’t apply to her. Ooops, sorry you shoulda read the fine print lady. No refund is possible because you did not meet the terms of our guaranty. It applies only to people who are metabolially-normal.

    And he gives us data from the very beginning of the epidemic. What has happened now is that the elderly have mostly been vaccinated, which cuts their risk vs. unvaccinated younger people. So the average age of Covid deaths has been dropping, from 80s at the beginning to 60s now:

    https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/08/19/almost-more-utahns-test/

    And remember that an average means that (roughly) half the dead are younger than the average age and half are older. So average age of 64 doesn’t mean “nothing to worry about until you hit 64”.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  210. @Jack D

    Jack D – sorry for being a bit loose here with my wording. These doctors I refer to – there are lots more, mind you! – say, the early treatment with Ivermectin would be safe and effective.

  211. Spect3r says:
    @John Johnson

    ” Every other day they have a LIE about some ex-anti-vaxxer who feels like he was fooled by alternative media. ”

    There, fixed it for you.

  212. @interesting

    Conclusions:
    A substantial but wide-ranging proportion of persons with a SARS-CoV-2 infection are asymptomatic.

    Explain in detail why these folks need a vaccine to something they are immune to.

    No details are required when we don’t know ahead of time what outcome any individual will have.

  213. @Jack D

    So – it is not impossible that Ivermectin is useful

    Is not quite the takeaway I intended, but it’s not wrong. I would more fully state “It is possible but based on the disappointing historical record of anti-virals very unlikely ivermectin will turn out to be useful for COVID.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
  214. El Dato says:

    Jeff Deist on THE CONFUSION (not the book by Neal Stephenson)

    The Terrible Economic Ignorance behind Covid Tradeoffs: My Speech to the Ron Paul Institute

    But perhaps the most shocking thing about sixteen months is our childlike inability to consider tradeoffs! I’m not only talking about the tremendous economic consequence of shutting down businesses, and the horrific financial damage it has done and will do to millions of Americans. I’m not only talking about the depression, isolation from friends and loved ones, alcoholism, untreated illness, suicide, weight gain and obesity, stunted child development, and all the rest.

    [MORE]

    I’m talking about understanding the basic economic tradeoffs of covid policy: supply chain, food, energy, housing, unemployment. This is bread and butter economics.

    I can’t stress this enough: millions of Americans have no conception of economics, and simply don’t believe tradeoffs exist. They think, are encouraged by the political class to think, that government can simply print money in the form of stimulus bills and pay people enhanced unemployment benefits to stay home. That the CDC [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention], of all cockamamie federal agencies, can simply impose a rent moratorium and effectively vitiate millions of local contracts—it will just work itself out somehow. That Congress can simply issue forgivable PPP [Paycheck Protection Program] loans to closed or hobbled businesses so they can magically make payroll. That the Federal Reserve can simply buy up assets from commercial banks, lend them limitless funds, and command lower interest rates to stimulate housing and consumerism.

    Millions of Americans, through sheer ignorance of economics, literally think these actions are costless and wholly beneficial—without downside.

    There was a remarkable op-ed at CNBC recently about the supply chain interruptions. It gets the cause of inflation wrong, blaming it on the pandemic rather than central banks, but it paints a vivid picture of the serious problems facing a radically overstressed global manufacturing sector. Delays in delivery are said to be the longest in decades. And inflation plus delays is bad news, because it’s so hard for buyers and sellers at all stages of production to know what to charge and what to pay for either capital goods or consumption goods. How many construction projects, for example were blindsided by the five-time rise in lumber prices last year? Ports are clogged awaiting trucks—not enough drivers—so containers sit for weeks rather than days. Empty containers have become scarce. Rail schedules are affected by the ports like dominos, and freight prices are spiking. Will West Coast longshoremen strike in 2022 when their contract is up? Will new emissions regulations which slow ships kill more capacity? Will key Chinese factories shut down again due to delta?

    We are starting to see the unseen, but economists, whose job it is to show us the tradeoffs, have been largely AWOL over the past year and a half. Consider this recent post by a famous libertarian free market economist:

    I didn’t find out who that is but I found out that Forbes thinks there is no inflation.. It’s just a statistical artifact!

    US GDP is now higher, in fact a fair bit higher, than when the pandemic began.
    US labor force participation is about 1.5% lower than when the pandemic began.
    Was there really slack to the tune of a few million people in Jan of 2020?
    Has inflation really changed enough to make the GDP numbers misleading?
    Has total factor productivity improved that much in that time, under those stresses? (i.e. more output from less input, labor & capital).
    Or is this all a sign that the structure of the economy is more stratified than we think—that there are millions of people in more-or-less filler jobs who can be cast out and the economy just keeps on running along? Yes, there are all sorts of reports of labor shortages, and all manner of supply chain hiccups which seem to often be associated with off shoring, but general activity is still high. (Or is it? Are the numbers reporting “vapor GDP?”—or are the inflation adjustments really out of whack so real GDP is not what we think it is?)

    A friend who runs a large chain of retail stores across several states sent me this in response.

    It’s amazing how [BLANKED]-up this person is. An economy is a way to get stuff. Is there much stuff, or less stuff, than when this all began? More cars or less? More computers and personal digital devices or less? More food or less? More oil or less? Greater business to business supply chain or less?

    But because this [BLANK] thinks the economy is a symbolic architecture, not a real thing for getting real stuff, he’s absolutely flummoxed by a simple question. Go outside, moron. Step away from the keyboard and the spreadsheet.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  215. TWS says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Steve is scared of covid. He’s afraid of dying. He is of the age of men who know they are mortal. He’s also of the generation who believes in following the authorities on health care. They used to be useful in America.

    Not so much in America in name only.

  216. Peterike says:

    The funniest part of the whole Covid plandemic is that it can be over whenever we want it to be simply by declaring it’s over. Nothing would change in terms of actual sickness and we’d be back to normal overnight.

    But it’s all just too useful for the politicians to let go, and the Karens like HA are still enjoying it all far too much. They really never want it to end. What do they care? That haven’t missed a single paycheck.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  217. Jack D says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    How did ivermectin get latched onto in the first place as something that was a supposedly promising candidate for an anti-Covid drug, as opposed to the thousands of other small molecule drugs that are out there? Same question for hydroxychloroquine? Because they are “bug killers”?

    I know that drugs originally meant for other purposes have been identified when certain “side effects” were noted (Viagra was meant for chest pain originally) but how was this connection made for ivermectin and HCQ? Was it based on questionable grounds such as the fact that Covid is low in tropical countries where everyone lives mostly outdoors or in open air shacks with good ventilation and such countries are also places where ivermectin and HCQ gets used a lot?

  218. HA says:
    @Fox

    “What I find strange is that you don’t perceive any other dimension in this maniacally propagated Covid meme than a concern for Public Health.”

    Ah yes, “maniacally propagated Covid… rapid establishment of a totalitarian system of governance”? Some real objectivity, there.

    Where were you when seat belt and airbag laws were being passed? Seat belts aren’t bulletproof either. Those who have the sense to strap one on can still get in car wrecks, can still be hospitalized, can still die. In fact, sometimes it is the seat belt itself that kills you. And we have more car wrecks than ever — hey, maybe it’s the seat belts that are causing all that by allowing unsafe drivers to stay alive and keep crashing into us instead of winding up in a morgue where they can’t harm anyone else; has anyone ever thought of that? But even though it’s your own body, and your own choice, and takes place on the inside of a car that you paid for, the government dares to pass laws restricting your ability to dismantle those seat belts and airbags (and as I noted, those airbags are on record as literally having decapitated certain people).

    We’ve had laws like that in place for decades. And even though someday, COVID will dwindle down to noise, those seat belt and airbag laws are here to stay, I expect. And yet, I missed the mass Facebook protests about totalitarian this and that regarding those “killer” seat belts and airbags the government is trying to strangle us with.

    If you actually believed some of the fevered conspiracy theories you’re spouting, you and those like you would have raised a stink long ago, and you wouldn’t have stopped. Hey, what about the fact that we have to put on a shirt and shoes to go into McDonald’s? That isn’t based on some high-tech science, and plenty of people in seaside taco shacks are served their meals without either shoes or shirts and without civilization collapsing, and yet McDonald’s and fascist corporate wannabes like that keep trying to plaster those No-Shirt-No-Shoes signs all over their establishments. How dare they! So are you gonna throw a tantrum about that, too? What’s next after that, you think washing hands after stinking up a washroom is something else to throw a conniption about?

    So no, I’m not particularly impressed. Yeah, you get a vote, just like all the other people in the world I disagree with. But I’m not sad that people like you were largely ignored and overruled, and given how badly and hypocritically your argument was made, I’m not particularly surprised. You can blame yourselves for that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Fox
    , @aj54
  219. epebble says:

    Where were you when seat belt and airbag laws were being passed?

    Also, this:

    Upon registration, you will fill out an Oregon Certificate of Immunization Status. Oregon Law requires that this immunization certificate is completed before your child may attend school.

    Immunizations are available through private physicians, clinics, and the Washington County Health Department (503-846-8851) in Beaverton and Hillsboro.

    5 Diphtheria/Tetanus/Pertussis (DTaP)
    4 Polio
    1 Varicella (chickenpox)
    2 Measles
    1 Mumps
    1 Rubella
    3 Hepatitis B
    2 Hepatitis A

    is the requirement to admit a child to school in my place. I am sure this is almost same in all school districts.

    • Replies: @Nancy
  220. Jack D says:
    @HA

    Laws requiring mandatory vaccination goes WAY back, much further than any laws concerning seat belts or anything having to do with auto safety. And you don’t have to reason by analogy. The Supreme Court has ruled on this exact question (albeit at the state rather than Federal level – there is no reason to think that they would treat a Federal requirement any differently).

    This is what the Supreme Court said in 1905:

    The defendant insists that his liberty is invaded when the state subjects him to fine or imprisonment for neglecting or refusing to submit to vaccination; that a compulsory vaccination law is unreasonable, arbitrary, and oppressive, and, therefore, hostile to the inherent right of every freeman to care for his own body and health in such way as to him seems best; and that the execution of such a law against one who objects to vaccination, no matter for what reason, is nothing short of an assault upon his person. But the liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint. There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. On any other basis organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy. Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/197/11

    So you can see that this question was asked and answered in 1905 and nothing has really changed since then other than the name of the virus in question (in those days it was smallpox).

    • Replies: @HA
    , @aj54
  221. vinteuil says:
    @Dmon

    Exactly.

    JackD should be ashamed of himself.

    The lies of the the media & the government are driving public policy.

    The lies of the loonier anti-vaxxers are chaff in the internet wind.

  222. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “So you can see that this question was asked and answered in 1905 and nothing has really changed since then other than the name of the virus in question (in those days it was smallpox).”

    And wait till he finds out what the health authorities did to poor Typhoid Mary, the queen of the asymptomatic spreaders. She looked fine, she felt fine, she just wanted to go about her daily business — in the end, none of that mattered.

    I can’t say I don’t feel bad about what she went through, and maybe she would be handled differently were her story to take place today, but it makes me even less sympathetic to someone who thinks that being asked to wear a mask at Wal-Mart is cause for a meltdown.

  223. Nancy says:
    @Alt Right Moderate

    If they help themselves to Vit D, etc, Ivermectin, Hydro+zinc+azyth, queritin, brednisone (sp?) etc… preferably prophilactically, they will bitterly disappoint the premiere….. why is this angle always sidestepped? If these known-at-the-time treaments had been used, instead of hysterially demonized, there would have been NO NEED for the ‘faux vax’…!!! Please, let’s stay in the ‘big picture’.

    • Replies: @Nancy
  224. Jack D says:

    The late Anthony Bourdain wrote a pretty good book about Typhoid Mary (AFAIK his only foray into history or biography (other than autobiography).

    You could tell that in his Lefty way, Bourdain was rooting for this feisty working class Irish gal, but she was her own worst enemy. She couldn’t understand or be made to understand or didn’t want to understand that she was making people sick and dead and evaded all efforts to keep her away from other people’s kitchens, going so far as to assume false names. Even hand washing after using the bathroom was too much to ask from her. Maybe this stemmed from her poverty and lack of education (and from the fact that cooking was the highest paid occupation for which she was qualified) but at some point she should have gotten the message but she was absolutely defiant and/or in denial and in the end they had no choice but to lock her up before she killed anyone else.

    • Replies: @HA
  225. Nancy says:
    @Nancy

    And….. another forever-dodge – ‘case’ #’s, ‘infections’, ‘testing’ should ALWAYS include the Cycle Threshhold that is being used for the PCR test that is generating any and all of these scary number. Is it a requirement that every person being tested be informed of this critical #? Didn’t the CDC drop their protocal to 28 Ct’s in Jan, to ‘create’ a drop in infections, as vax was rolled out? This is not rocket science!! This is common sense… along with the dead (as in ‘fatal’) giveaway when off-label prescribing of precautionary treatments for C19 were prohibited by FDA, in early ’20 spring…… since when have they ever invaded a doctor’s privilege like that? Again, this is not rocket science – it is in our face!…. but red herrings, and unnecessary deaths, abound.

  226. Nancy says:
    @epebble

    I believe these are actuall, classic, well-tested vaccines. Unlike the experimental… and unnecessary… jab. (Note that claims for it that were made based on the Warp Speed testing, are now proving to be false. What else is false about these jabs? Let’s find out with real life guinea pigs)

    • Replies: @epebble
  227. epebble says:
    @Nancy

    I agree the vaccines were made in a hurry, and you could have described them as experimental in January 2021. But now, after Billion+ injections and very few documented cases of harm attributable to vaccines, no one can rationally attach the label experimental. It is much, much less experimental than any airplane flight you may plan to take for business or vacation this year or next. And don’t even think of Cancer drugs if you have the misfortune to come to need them. They are Highly experimental (by an order of million times, compared to Covid vaccines).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  228. @Jack D

    Statistically just about everyone should know someone that has been hospitalized unless they have been living in a basement.

    It’s very strange as to how random it can be compared to the flu.

    I have some older relatives that got it and they mostly complained about not having energy. One of them has heart problems and yet was fine in a week. Just a light cough and sleepy for a few days.

    My 38 year old neighbor who exercises and doesn’t smoke or drink was in the ICU for a month.

    Too many people think that being in shape will protect them. The reality is that there are still too many unknown factors which is why the safe bet is to get the vaccine.

  229. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “at some point she should have gotten the message but she was absolutely defiant and/or in denial and in the end they had no choice but to lock her up before she killed anyone else.”

    She apparently sent stool samples to an independent lab on two occasions, according to Wiki — both samples tested negative for typhus. Presumably, the tests were off, or the amount of typhus she was shedding was below what could be picked up at the time, a variation of the already-tiresome “PCR cycles were off” routine.

    But after her initial release, a condition of which was that she would never again work with food, and when she realized she couldn’t make it in the low-paid world of washing and cleaning, she ditched her handlers and wound up cooking for a maternity hospital, where she killed another two people and infected dozens of others before she was found and locked up again for good.

    I haven’t read the Bourdain book, but infecting an entire maternity hospital is the kind of thing that will dry up my sympathy pretty quick, though I will admit she was dealt a bad hand and might well be treated differently today. Leper colonies, army-enforced smallpox quarantines of entire cities, walling people up alive — the history of public health, such as it was, and the brutal measures by which it was achieved isn’t exactly Little House on the Prarie.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  230. Fox says:
    @HA

    Good grief! “fascist”, “conspiracy theory(ies)”, which I am, of course “spouting”. Of course, everything is just fine, it has always been like that, there is ample historical precedence,

    You are also marshalling your straw men of the motorcycle helmet and the seat belt laws; I am both a car driver and was at some time motorcycle operator. Since accidents are real, I have never objected to such obligatory laws for seat belts and motorcycle helmets, since they have a clear and identifiable benefit. I am both never driving without the seat belt on, nor was I ever riding my motorcycle with a helmet. You won’t find medical doctors or immunologists objecting to wearing them; and you will also find that being subject to these protective measures leads to the same results wherever you go. Whether you fall on your head in Nebraska, Southern Chile, Egypt, Hungry, East London, Holland, Central Chicago or the Hottentot country, without a helmet you’ll be more seriously afflicted than with one. Not so with Covid; hardly anyone in Africa has been jabbed, and Covid is rare; in Israel, despite being a country with extensive double jabbing, Covid appears to be rampant. White Russia has refused the Covid mania, and was in turn, as a consequence, denied a WMF loan. Belorussians seem to be doing just fine; Covid there, without mask requirements and a maniacal vaccination campaign, is not a widely entertained fear; same in Russia. I see that “Covid” is much more, or something entirely different than an infection. You don’t see that.
    There is no middle ground between absolutes.
    While I believe in the reality of an infection named covid, you don’t see anything wrong with the hysterics our political movers and shakers show.
    Anyway, what’s your concern? Are you afraid of catching Covid from the people who are vaccinated? Or from the unvaccinated? Both can be carriers, and the vaccination does apparently not protect from becoming infected or to be a source of contagion. If you are concerned about your own well-being, well, that should be taken care of with your periodic vaccinations. Or are you concerned about the well-being of your fellow humans in a general way? Or what is it?

    Since you seem to have a very thick skin, you of course can’t conceive of any life imprisonment you may find yourself in after the Covid Vaccination Pass, Travel Restrictions, Hiring Restrictions, perhaps even restrictions on shopping, the ruination of retail business and its replacement by monopolistic delivery services, the enforcement of any new restriction by squat teams, etc., have been established.
    I can see the wholesale catastrophe of it.
    But you can’t, and so we must part.

    • Replies: @HA
  231. @epebble

    I got an experimental cancer treatment in 1997. Maybe 100 to 1000 people in the world had previously gotten it.

    Here I am.

    • Replies: @epebble
  232. aj54 says:
    @KenH

    the vax only gave time limited immunity for the spike protein, not the many other proteins in the envelope or other structures, and it is the spike protein specifically where the mutations are showing up, so the shot is now less and less effective

  233. @Bert

    In the absence of leadership from the CDC, NIH and FDA, the responsibility to vet and advocate prophylactic measures and early treatment protocols falls on the shoulders of elected officials.

    Well, no. The responsibility for early treatment measures falls, and always has fallen, on the shoulders of MDs. Unfortunately, they have manifestly failed to meet their responsibilities. Part of the blame falls on elected and unelected officials who somehow think they have more expertise in that field than doctors who do it for a living. Part of the blame falls on witless doctors who have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by Big Pharma. And another part of the blame falls on our media, both the MSM and the “new” social media who also fancy their expertise.

  234. aj54 says:
    @HA

    seat belt and helmet laws were not really about safety, but about money. If you are seriously injured in an accident and remain disabled for a long period of time (like with a closed head injury) you would almost assuredly have ended up on public assistance, and your rehab and hospital bills paid for by the public. It is amazing how long a person in a vegetative state can be kept alive when someone is paying the exorbitant bills.

  235. @Travis

    It is mostly the better treatments which are preventing deaths in the hospitals today.

    This is nonsense, Travis. There are only two specific treatments offered which help things: steroids and, in advanced ventilated cases, possibly, nitric oxide. Both have been used from the very beginning. There are several pseudo-treatments, such as remdisivir, which seem to actually make things worse. And there’s standard symptom-oriented supportive care, which also has not changed from the very beginning. Although intubation and ventilation, if utilized, is delayed as long as possible, but we learned to do that after the initial peak.

  236. @John Johnson

    Statistically just about everyone should know someone that has been hospitalized unless they have been living in a basement.

    Pretty sure you could have finished your comment right there.

    It’s pretty clear a lot of COVID truthers don’t have much in the way of family and friends they’re in communication with, otherwise they wouldn’t be saying that literally none of them came down with symptomatic enough COVID.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  237. aj54 says:
    @Jack D

    there is really no comparison between corona viruses, which are endemic in animals and man (this one has a 99.99% survival rate for most), and the scourge of smallpox, which killed 1/3 of its victims, is a disease only in man, and was actually eradicated over time, something not anticipated in 1906. The two epidemics therefore have no similarity to one another, and the law from that era should not be applied to this case; this is a perfect case in which to overturn precedent. The pandemic was handled differently in different places with better outcomes than with the use of this rushed leaky vax.

    • Agree: TWS
    • Replies: @Jack D
  238. Hibernian says:
    @John Johnson

    Statistically just about everyone should know someone that has been hospitalized unless they have been living in a basement.

    I don’t, although I know people who got sick from it, my 92 year old Mom had a false positive, and I know someone who knows more than one person who was hospitalized for it and who is distantly acquainted with one person who died from it.

  239. HA says:
    @Fox

    “Belorussians seem to be doing just fine;”

    If that’s the kind of government you’re hankering for, I guess it explains a lot.

    “Anyway, what’s your concern? Are you afraid of catching Covid from the people who are vaccinated? Or from the unvaccinated?”

    What does my own particular vulnerability to COVID matter, anyway? I never worked in the World Trade Center, either — does that mean I don’t have a right to be angry about 9/11? I take a position on all sorts of troubles that I myself am not personally in danger from. In any case, as I explained, the state has a legitimate interest in reducing the death toll beyond the level at which the EMT/ICU/hospital system is overstretched. Also, our legal system and history also recognize the state’s longstanding interest in limiting infectious disease spread simply for the sake of the common good, and I have no problem with that, however much that mystifies and angers some people around here. I would also much rather pay for dozens or hundreds of vaccines than pay for a lung transplant or a ventilator or for several months of hospital care, but if those who resist getting a vaccine want to take on those extra costs, or sign away their right to enter an ER once they themselves are stricken, I’d be willing to negotiate. Alas, far too many COVID “lions” who assure us they’ll be fine with just a little Vitamin D and Ivermectin turn into sheep like the rest of us and dial 911 once they stop breathing, so I’m pessimistic about that approach, but I’ll put it out there anyway.

    And while I’m deeply sympathetic to the “we simply can’t afford all this” arguments, too many of the people spouting them have repeatedly shot themselves in the foot by embracing forecasts of just-the-flu and anti-vaxx quacks that have time and time been proven wrong, at which point they come on this site and scream at Sailer for being the one who messed up and let them down, and that gets to be tiresome pretty quick.

    And as for your inability to see the hypocrisy regarding your willingness to swallow the lines of the seat-belt and hand-washing enthusiasts (I’m with you on that, by the way) as opposed to your conviction that COVID precautions are, on the contrary, some sort of totalitarian takeover by the health nannies, again, that explains a lot. If you really want to persuade people, I think you should try and work through all that with more consistency.

    • Replies: @Fox
  240. @Jack D

    The only thing that’s going to break this cycle (or at least mute it to the point where ICU’s aren’t overwhelmed with each new wave) is to get everyone vaccinated (and get them boosters and reformulated vaccines as new variants arise) or else for everyone to become naturally infected (which is 10x more risky that being vaccinated). At some point enough people will be vaccinated or have natural immunity such that the (re)infection rate will be low enough and the consequences of being re-infected mild enough that it really will be “just the flu” and hospitals won’t be thrown into chaos every time there is a new wave.

    Then please explain the data from this link. 85% of Californians had antibodies, either naturally or in response to the bug, in May this year…when they stopped collecting data. So we must be significantly higher by now. North of 85% is surely enough for herd immunity. So why has there been a spike in hospitalizations in California? Seems to me the most likely reason is that vaccine-mediated antibodies do not lead to herd immunity with Covid.

    https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Sero-prevalence-COVID-19-Data.aspx

    • Replies: @Jack D
  241. @That Would Be Telling

    I know lots of people who haven’t had it, and a few who have. Of those who have, the 60 y/o guy in OK shape was weak for week, had a loose stomach for a few days, and a mild fever. The 45 y/o guy who had it is overweight but not obese, and he felt a little sick to his stomach 4 hours of the 10 days he stayed inside – that’s all.

    Just a few days ago, a guy at work who is in pretty good shape and maybe 50 y/o said he had it, it was nasty, but it didn’t put him in the hospital. However two of his older relatives died from it. They both had been vaccinated.

    I don’t have a large family, but I have a decent number of friends and a large number of co-workers. I know a whole lot of people, and most have not had a sniffle. Maybe you don’t live in the same neighborhood on the same planet as I do

  242. Jack D says:
    @HA

    I suspect that the testing negative thing was either error on the part of the testing lab or else Mary didn’t really send them a proper sample ( I wouldn’t put this above her – she had a kind of peasant cunning). The fact that people got typhoid wherever she cooked was proof enough that she was in fact a carrier.

    Mary was a carrier for typhoid, not typhus. Typhoid is a type of salmonella that is carried by fecal contamination. Like I said, Mary was not into hand washing.

    • Replies: @HA
  243. Jack D says:
    @Socratic Dog

    So why has there been a spike in hospitalizations in California? Seems to me the most likely reason is that vaccine-mediated antibodies do not lead to herd immunity with Covid.

    Really? That’s where the data takes you? How about this: the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated people is 29.2 times the rate in fully vaccinated people.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e5.htm

    I don’t know whether vaccine-mediated antibodies lead to herd immunity or not but they lead to staying out of the hospital, which is even better in my book.

  244. Jack D says:
    @aj54

    this one has a 99.99% survival rate for most)

    Most? Most what? 9 year olds?

    The case fatality rate for people over 80 is somewhere around 15%, which is a lot more than .01%

    For the population as a whole, it’s somewhere between 1 and 2%, which is a far cry from .o1%.

    99.99% survival is just plain false.

    • Replies: @Fox
  245. Fox says:
    @HA

    You must have an answer to the question of how much “Covid precaution” is enough.
    That’s where it is becoming difficult to be specific.
    As I said before, I still don’t know anyone who has been a sufferer of a covid infection; I know of someone who was pregnant but lost the child after being vaccinated.

    Covid is a form of the flu; and I am not generally against vaccinations. I am, however, against being forced of being injected with a novel, perfunctorily tested, biologically highly active substance that, while being sold under false pretenses, has the potential for causing horrible diseases in a few years time, such as autoimmune diseases: MS; Lou Gehrig’s disease, rheumatoid arthritis as a more harmless of these afflictions, or vascular disease.
    Yes, all of this is unproven – yet, but triggering the immune system to react to one’s own tissue seems like playing with matches in the fuel storage to me. Is there a choice about what kind of “vaccine” one would want to be injected with?

    And again, I don’t see any more hearses or ambulances than before “Covid”, I don’t know anyone who’s had it, and I am impressed by the fact that it is possible to play “Pandemic” by putting the vocabulary, tone of voice, general mindset and rumor mill in motion, putting on masks and pretending that things like “social distancing” are acting like a magic spell to dispel danger.
    One could say that the flu is a pandemic as well, people die of it every year, and I wouldn’t want to catch it.

    Since the time the vaccination has been forcefully pushed on people, new “variants” are said to appear. Cause and effect suggest that these new “variants” are caused by the vaccination by triggering a selection of more virulent strains of the covid virus. However, this conclusion is not part of the Covid narrative. Very strange indeed. Would it not be worthwhile at least to think about this possibility?

    Legislature and law are not omnipotent in addressing, or solving problems or emergencies. Quite often, it is just actionism that is ineffective or even counter-productive.
    Just doing something doesn’t mean that it has a positive impact.
    As with everything in life, it is common sense that needs to be applied, a mechanism of or mandate for action alone does not automatically solve a problem.

    • Thanks: TWS
  246. Fox says:
    @Jack D

    Are you saying that 1 – 2 percent of the population have died of Covid?

    • Replies: @aj54
  247. HA says:
    @Jack D

    “Mary was a carrier for typhoid, not typhus.”

    Yes, you’re right about that, and I suspect this isn’t the first time I made that mistake, but thanks for the correction. “People thought they were the same disease until the 1800s, when a physician determined that they were different infections.”

  248. aj54 says:

    Your chart is from China. Let’s look at those 80 year olds in your chart, a low of 13% all the way to a whopping 20% mortality. I have some elderly relatives in that age cohort and 80-87% survival rate, probably because they don’t have multiple comorbidities. So you quote 1%, everyone below the 50-59 cohort is there, and half of them as well. Countries as disparate as Sweden and Russia did not do the dystopian covid death cult nonsense, and their economies are the least affected. And lets not forget tropical Africa, the lowest death rates in the world, who just happen to dose everyone once a year with ivermectin, plus they are too poor to pay for overinflated less effective meds. Misstatements of the stats by the officials is by design. It is a conspiracy, which in this case is not theoretical, it is criminal.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/. Most recent data, shows roughly .02% total overall death rate, not 1-2% 226 million cases, 4.5 million deaths

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/25/cdc-data-shows-high-virus-survival-rate-99-plus-for-ages-69-and-younger-94-6-for-older/

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/we-could-be-vastly-overestimating-the-death-rate-for-covid-19-heres-why/

  249. aj54 says:
    @Anon

    They are doing just fine with the ivermectin

  250. aj54 says:
    @Fox

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    .02% worldwide. In the US we have managed to kill off 3% of everyone over age 80, by my rough calculations.

  251. epebble says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Exactly; If anything, you are a Poster Boy for those who are afraid that Covid vaccines are Experimental. If you survived a drug that was tested on 100 to 1,000 people, what have they got to fear from vaccines that have been given to 1,000,000,000+ people?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  252. Nancy says:

    And if we had promptly and precautionarily treated with known, safe drugs, showing a potential for success, even the over 80’s might have had a much better survival rate – a no-brainer. Intubation was embraced and it killed 80% of it’s victims. Did they really want survival? Or are they too stupid, and arrogant, to be trusted ever again?

  253. Wielgus says:
    @John Johnson

    I know a number of people who got it or at least tested positive for it and some felt ill for a while. After well over a year and a half of this thing, I still do not know anyone who has actually died. Maybe I am just lucky or something but the Black Death or even the “Spanish Flu” this just ain’t. They closed the world down for other reasons.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  254. @aj54

    The risk of dying in a given year for those aged 75-85 was 5% in 2018

    So we would expect 5% of 80 year-olds to die each year. What was the rate in 2020?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  255. @epebble

    NOT “exactly”, EPebble. Steve had cancer and was likely to die. It’s not people who are on a ventilator fixing to die from COVID who are being given some experimental treatment we’re writing about.

    Perfectly healthy people who have a minuscule risk of dying from COVID simply do not want to take some precautionary treatment that is no absolute guaranteed prevention anyway. Am I right?

    I don’t think this analogy works at all.

    • Replies: @epebble
  256. @Jack D

    If ivermectin was The Covid Killer, it would be fantastic publicity for Merck (whose vaccine project completely flopped).

    • Replies: @anon
  257. anon[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    From the NYT:

    A number of large-scale randomized clinical trials are underway that may provide a clearer picture. In August, the National Institutes of Health began testing the drug on people 30 years old or older who test positive for Covid-19 within the previous ten days and have at least two symptoms for a week or less. Shortly before that study launched, another trial on 1500 patients found no benefit from ivermectin.
    Updated Aug. 30

    At least one study showed large benefits, but P values in the 20’s.

    However, it has been used extensively in Latin America and other countries. I give it only a 10% chance or so. This is global, and suppressing a silver bullet seems unlikely.

  258. Jack D says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    The CDC says that in the 75-84 group, deaths were 21.5% above normal, so around 6% vs. the usual 5%. Thru October this amounted to around 100k excess deaths in that age group.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

    However, in terms of percentages, the highest rate of excess death was in the 24-44 age group. At the peak in last July, deaths in that group were running about 50% above normal. This is because people in this group don’t die that often in the age of modern medicine, so any major new cause of death is going to have a big % effect off of a small denominator.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm#F2_down

    There are probably more recent numbers out there but this is what popped up in a cursory search. Because the elderly have been vaccinated more, I know that average age of Covid deaths has been skewing downward, from the original 80s down to the low 60s in some places.

  259. Jack D says:
    @Wielgus

    I knew a guy who died but he was, without exaggeration, 100 years old. Covid is a killer but it really prefers the elderly (or did until most of the elderly got vaccinated).

    This is not the world’s best graph but the red bars are the % of Covid death by age group and the gold outlines are that group’s % of the overall population. So for example, people over 85 are maybe 2% of the population but represent 32% of Covid deaths, while people under 35 are collectively maybe 45% of the population and represent less than 1% of Covid deaths. In other words, the risk of Covid rises exponentially by age.

    https://www.statista.com/chart/23694/covid-19-deaths-in-the-us-by-age/

    Frankly, this massive age skew has been missing from the public discussion, I assume for some sort of political reason (for the same reason we never hear about the massive difference in the rate of homicide by blacks vs whites). When your public discourse is so filled with dishonesty, it’s pretty much impossible to make good public policy.

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  260. epebble says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I was comparing the statistics of the two decisions. Cancer drug, may be 80% effective, for a patient who may have 50% percent chance of survival vs. vaccines that are known to be 99.9999% harmless (in terms of causing a severe or life threatening problem or death) and more than 99% effective in preventing deaths/severe hospitalizations for a disease that has already killed 1 in 500 and severely harms may be 1 in 50 (good statistics are hard to come by on the Long Coviders)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_of_experiments
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimation_theory
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)

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  261. It turns out that vaccination matters a lot, certainly on plague island. Anti vaxxers have nowhere to stand.

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  262. @epebble

    I get your math, EPebble (though I didn’t spend the effort to check it – I trust you).

    There are 2 problems:

    1) Age is not being taken into account in that calculation. That 1 in 500 is not for any age. Steve got cancer at a young age. He had a long life ahead of him to live. Of course, an “only” 80% effective drug should be taken.

    2) I don’t believe that 99.9999%. Long-term effects are not known.

    Here’s another thing that I don’t know but didn’t want to ask. Was the treatiment Steve got going to do any harm anyway, even if it didn’t work? (Besides to the wallet of somebody.)

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  263. epebble says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    1. Yes, Age has not been taken into account. But, in many places, the hospitals are reaching saturation and that is leading to overflow effects. e.g.

    Oregon patient with COVID-19 makes it to hospital, dies waiting for ICU bed; ‘We didn’t have enough’

    https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2021/08/southern-oregon-patient-dies-with-covid-19-in-hospital-er-waiting-for-icu-bed-to-open-up.html

    Idaho’s COVID crisis becomes Washington hospitals’ problem

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/idahos-covid-crisis-is-straining-hospitals-across-the-border-in-washington/?utm_source=marketingcloud&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=BNA_091321225717+Idaho%E2%80%99s+COVID+crisis+becomes+Washington+hospitals%E2%80%99+problem_9_13_2021

    So, (younger) patients may die from Heart attack, stroke, traffic accidents, gun shots etc., because older patients have filled up hospitals.

    2. Medical science of Covid vaccines is similar to dozens of other vaccines we are taking for decades. There is no good reason to expect mysterious long term effects.

  264. Bert says:

    Covid patients treated with hydroxychloroquine within 72 hours of symptom onset have a very small risk of death.

    Hydroxychloroquine / azithromycin in COVID-19: The association between time to treatment and case fatality rate.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1477893921002040

    The phony Recovery trial and others made sure that HCQ was given many days after symptom onset in order to dispose of this pharmaceutical threat to the vaccine program.

  265. @epebble

    Medical science of Covid vaccines is similar to dozens of other vaccines we are taking for decades.

    Centuries in the case of variolae vaccinae, Jenner’s Latin for smallpox of the cow AKA cowpox, although we shifted to a close relative of cowpox at some point. The very first vaccine, by definition and even the name is an “active” one that hijacks some cells to the ultimate end of getting mRNA in them to make viral proteins.

    No matter how much people insist “traditional” vaccines are “passive,” like an inactivated virus such as the “leaky” Salk type for polio or protein (“subunit”) ones like those for the flu. mRNA vaccines cut out all the middlemen, adenovirus viral vector ones (AZ/Oxford, Janssen, Sputnik V) add most of the complexity of a DNA virus, only subtracting the genes for replication and evading the immune system.

    There is no good reason to expect mysterious long term effects.

    Exactly, this is not a new thing, even if some of the platforms to the end of getting those viral proteins are new to a greater or lesser degree. We knew before the first anaphylaxis reactions to beware of this universal vaccine immediate severe adverse effect. After that it’s anything from the other ingredients and here you must not ignore the toxicologist’s maxim “the dose makes the poison,” there isn’t much of them after salt and water. Then it’s what antibodies and cellular adaptive immune system responses they generate which happens and matures fairly quickly, weeks not years.

    From prior experience one and a half months for the severe effects, thus the two months of safety data required by the FDA for EUAs. Statistically, over hundreds of millions of people, eventually billions, our immune systems will make the occasional mistake, but they do that anyway. When you factor in the context of a pandemic and having the same thing happen times quasi-infinity by a probably not natural virus with no restrictions on how it can reproduce except for our immune systems….

    In the meanwhile, as you and I and others keep documenting, hospitals in areas of high “vaccine hesitancy” get crushed, bad outcome come from that which can include mistakes when someone is ferried long distances to the nearest isolation normal or ICU bed, the normal load on healthcare system doesn’t magically go away etc. What you’re citing coming out of Idaho is the same thing I’ve been seeing in my part of Red state flyover country since the Fourth of July cases got Delta really going here.

  266. @epebble

    I’m not taking it, just to re-iterate.

    I don’t want to go mentioning location, but at the hospital where the healthcare worker in my family works, the vacancy is right now at 23%. (The only reason I know this number from yesterday is that she got a text message offering a certain pay rate for extra work, and it was based on said vacancy rate.) Nobody is lined up in the parking lot on stretchers.

  267. @epebble

    OK, disregard the 2nd part of my 1st reply, EPebble. I got that text message wrong. They meant 23% shortage of nurses. Yeah, there are some beds in the hallways right now. I apologize for getting this story wrong.

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  268. epebble says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Obviously this problem varies from place to place. But things can change fast and unexpectedly. One super spreader event – say college football over labor day – and all bets are off in many small, remote communities.

    Alabama man dies of cardiac event after 43 hospitals with full ICUs turned him away
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/10/cullman-al-man-dies-hospitals-full-icus-turn-away-covid/8281712002/

    A cancer patient needed critical care. Because of the COVID-19 surge, she died without it
    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-20/covid-19-surge-hospital-capacity-full-transfers

  269. zacie says:
    @Philip Owen

    See you in a few months when the “vaccines” wear off.

  270. Wielgus says:
    @Jack D

    News that the vaccines are not so safe is also starting to seep through. I am in Greece, and saw a headline in the tabloid Ora (“Hour”) – “16-year-old dead after vaccine”. The vaccine uptake is relatively low in Greece and the Mitsotakis government is aggressively pushing them.

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  271. Wielgus says:
    @Wielgus

    https://www.naftemporiki.gr/frontpages/latest/imerisies-politikes/eleytheri-ora/full
    The full title of the newspaper is Eleutheri Ora – “Free Hour” or alternatively “Free Time”.

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