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A topic of perpetual amusement to me is how even though we are all supposed to believe that ex-men transgenders “always felt like a girl on the inside,” most of the ones who were prominent before their transitions, such as libertarian economist Donald/Deirdre McCloskey, were known for having extremely unfeminine minds. And still do.

You used to be able to mention that in the New York Times. For example, from the New York Times in 1999:

A Transsexual Economist’s 2d Transition; She Says Gender Determines One’s Approach to Her Field
By Louis Uchitelle
June 19, 1999

… No one has given Deirdre McCloskey more support through her gender-crossing than her 75-year-old mother, Helen McCloskey. She is the widow of a prominent Harvard professor, an expert on constitutional law who died of a heart attack in 1969, just as their eldest son, Donald, completed his Ph.D. in economics at Harvard and joined the University of Chicago faculty.

Helen McCloskey admired her husband’s achievements, which she associated with maleness, and she sees in Deirdre the same ”steely male intellectual quality” that her husband had, and Donald, too. Men, she argues, are the builders, the creators. … The subject of the steely male mind came up at breakfast.

”This is my firstborn, my wonderful, wonderful child who is so bright,” she said. ”One reason I can accept what she has done is that I do not see dramatic changes in her intellectual qualities acquired over a lifetime.”

The daughter is uncomfortable. ”Having done the steely bit,” Deirdre McCloskey said, ”I know where its cracks are, where its foolishnesses lie.” And the mother replied: ”Those are conclusions you could have come to as a man. It is a maturing process. I think that had you remained a man, you would have matured. You would have softened.”

 
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  1. Men, she argues, are the builders, the creators. …

    “If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.”

    Camille Paglia

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Flip


    If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.”

    Camille Paglia
     
    Sometimes dissident rightists accuse women of hating each other. Sometimes they accuse of extreme ingroup preference. I suppose there are women of both kinds, and all sorts in between. I'll just say this. Self-hating women are almost as detestable to me as self-hating Whites.

    Replies: @Ash Williams

  2. My copy of “If You’re So Smart” was written by Donald McCloskey. Great book – required reading for those who want a layman’s introduction to the economic way of thinking.

  3. Hit records by Steely Don/Deirdre:

    Dikki, Don’t Lose That Plumber
    My Old Tool
    Body Sattva
    Pritzker Logic
    Any Mädchen Dude
    Castration Divorce
    Peg (It Will Come Back to You)

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Reg Cæsar

    And of course, "Daddy Ain't Daddy (Since He Grown Those Titties) No More."

    Your last one ("Peg") is particularly apropos, given the origin of the band's name.

    Good show.

  4. “most of the ones who were prominent before their transitions… were known for having extremely unfeminine minds.”

    Lynette Nusbacher, previously known as Aryeh Judah Schoen Nusbacher, is a prominent military historian.

    • Replies: @Altai
    @Ozymandias

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_jGH6Np0IM

    Here he is displaying his very feminine mind.

    Here he is now, still sperging about male things, in this case the engineering of canals.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAJMBdi2sM8&t=850s

    , @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Ozymandias

    Watching a documentary about WW2 when Nusbacher comes on always feels like a Monty Python sketch.

    Battle of the Bulge, indeed.

  5. I read her/his latest about her life and was rather shocked to find that while she anticipated losing her family’s affection (wife, 2 kids), and laments that she can’t see her grandchildren, the upside was she got to dress up with ‘the girls’ every 5 years or so (not many quirky girls have 6′ women’s wear). What a lame sacrifice. I can understand why her family isn’t talking to her. It’s off the charts narcissism. McCloskey clearly isn’t into men, she just likes dressing up as a woman. But for what? Why not just do that on weekends, or under your pants?

    Yet, she is thoughtful about history and economics. highlighting that wisdom is about getting your priorities straight.

    • Replies: @Russ
    @eric


    I can understand why her family isn’t talking to her. It’s off the charts narcissism.
     
    Verily.

    I long ago promised wife and children that if I one day awoke as a homosexual or as a transgendered woman or somewhere in between, it'd be a sweet yoke and light burden to keep it entirely to myself.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

  6. Women with steely male intellects will be running the Left like a clique of eunuchs if they don’t get a leash on this thing soon.
    This should be entertaining. Scary thing is the contradictions seem to matter less the greater they get. These movements actually erode fundamental concepts.
    “Granddad, what’s a ‘contradiction’?”

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Dennis Dale

    They already are and no leash in sight.

    Similar to the late Ming.

  7. Now Mr Sailer has dug up this 1999 story, the NYT has no alternative but to re-hire journalist and author Louis Uchitelle today, and later today fire ex-journalist and cancelled author Louis Uchitelle.

    Update…

    Twitter has just banned me because I mentioned Louis Uchitelle by name.
    Could someone please post Uchitelle’s last ever tweet- his grovelling apology to the transgender community for the hurt caused.
    Thanks.

  8. @Reg Cæsar
    Hit records by Steely Don/Deirdre:

    Dikki, Don't Lose That Plumber
    My Old Tool
    Body Sattva
    Pritzker Logic
    Any Mädchen Dude
    Castration Divorce
    Peg (It Will Come Back to You)

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy

    And of course, “Daddy Ain’t Daddy (Since He Grown Those Titties) No More.”

    Your last one (“Peg”) is particularly apropos, given the origin of the band’s name.

    Good show.

  9. Even if the whole word nods and goes along with your bullshit, your mom won’t. She knows the score.

  10. There’s a small and fascinating, but depressing, genre of books and longform articles written by the former wives of these late transitioners.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    @Anon

    Grateful for some titles.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Anon

    Also, it's not like the late transitioners are feminine looking. Not going to have one of those trip to Thailand awkward moments.

  11. Beware the 14 steely fists of Deirdre McCloskey! Anybody order fried saurkraut? (I finally watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood this week. It really is fantastically good).

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @the one they call Desanex

    Once Upon a Time In Hollywood is now at Redbox for $1.75.

  12. @Anon
    There's a small and fascinating, but depressing, genre of books and longform articles written by the former wives of these late transitioners.

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer, @Redneck farmer

    Grateful for some titles.

  13. @Anon
    There's a small and fascinating, but depressing, genre of books and longform articles written by the former wives of these late transitioners.

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer, @Redneck farmer

    Also, it’s not like the late transitioners are feminine looking. Not going to have one of those trip to Thailand awkward moments.

  14. @eric
    I read her/his latest about her life and was rather shocked to find that while she anticipated losing her family's affection (wife, 2 kids), and laments that she can't see her grandchildren, the upside was she got to dress up with 'the girls' every 5 years or so (not many quirky girls have 6' women's wear). What a lame sacrifice. I can understand why her family isn't talking to her. It's off the charts narcissism. McCloskey clearly isn't into men, she just likes dressing up as a woman. But for what? Why not just do that on weekends, or under your pants?

    Yet, she is thoughtful about history and economics. highlighting that wisdom is about getting your priorities straight.

    Replies: @Russ

    I can understand why her family isn’t talking to her. It’s off the charts narcissism.

    Verily.

    I long ago promised wife and children that if I one day awoke as a homosexual or as a transgendered woman or somewhere in between, it’d be a sweet yoke and light burden to keep it entirely to myself.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    @Russ


    I long ago promised wife and children that if I one day awoke as a homosexual or as a transgendered woman or somewhere in between, it’d be a sweet yoke and light burden to keep it entirely to myself.
     
    Wait...are you saying it's possible to have a physical desire, yet not to act upon it?

    This sounds like the advice of a fascist!
  15. @Ozymandias
    "most of the ones who were prominent before their transitions... were known for having extremely unfeminine minds."

    Lynette Nusbacher, previously known as Aryeh Judah Schoen Nusbacher, is a prominent military historian.

    Replies: @Altai, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Here he is displaying his very feminine mind.

    Here he is now, still sperging about male things, in this case the engineering of canals.

  16. Strange, then, that those societies which are still living in grass huts are incredibly male dominated.

  17. Too bad he didn’t rename himself Danielle. Then we could be calling him Steely Dan.

  18. @the one they call Desanex
    Beware the 14 steely fists of Deirdre McCloskey! Anybody order fried saurkraut? (I finally watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood this week. It really is fantastically good).
    https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2019720/rs_1024x759-190820154715-1024-once-upon-a-time-flameblower-leo-me-82019.jpg

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Once Upon a Time In Hollywood is now at Redbox for $1.75.

  19. Reading the wiki entry on this person, it seems fairly obvious that their transgenderism is linked to their long-term autogynephilia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deirdre_McCloskey#Personal_life

  20. @Ozymandias
    "most of the ones who were prominent before their transitions... were known for having extremely unfeminine minds."

    Lynette Nusbacher, previously known as Aryeh Judah Schoen Nusbacher, is a prominent military historian.

    Replies: @Altai, @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Watching a documentary about WW2 when Nusbacher comes on always feels like a Monty Python sketch.

    Battle of the Bulge, indeed.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  21. @Russ
    @eric


    I can understand why her family isn’t talking to her. It’s off the charts narcissism.
     
    Verily.

    I long ago promised wife and children that if I one day awoke as a homosexual or as a transgendered woman or somewhere in between, it'd be a sweet yoke and light burden to keep it entirely to myself.

    Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I long ago promised wife and children that if I one day awoke as a homosexual or as a transgendered woman or somewhere in between, it’d be a sweet yoke and light burden to keep it entirely to myself.

    Wait…are you saying it’s possible to have a physical desire, yet not to act upon it?

    This sounds like the advice of a fascist!

  22. @Dennis Dale
    Women with steely male intellects will be running the Left like a clique of eunuchs if they don't get a leash on this thing soon.
    This should be entertaining. Scary thing is the contradictions seem to matter less the greater they get. These movements actually erode fundamental concepts.
    "Granddad, what's a 'contradiction'?"

    Replies: @Desiderius

    They already are and no leash in sight.

    Similar to the late Ming.

  23. @Flip

    Men, she argues, are the builders, the creators. …
     
    "If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts."

    Camille Paglia

    Replies: @Rosie

    If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.”

    Camille Paglia

    Sometimes dissident rightists accuse women of hating each other. Sometimes they accuse of extreme ingroup preference. I suppose there are women of both kinds, and all sorts in between. I’ll just say this. Self-hating women are almost as detestable to me as self-hating Whites.

    • Replies: @Ash Williams
    @Rosie



    If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.”

    Camille Paglia
     
    Sometimes dissident rightists accuse women of hating each other. Sometimes they accuse of extreme ingroup preference. I suppose there are women of both kinds, and all sorts in between. I’ll just say this. Self-hating women are almost as detestable to me as self-hating Whites.
     
    You didn't actually disagree with @Flip.
  24. McCloskey’s Bourgeois trilogy is really good.

    And now she has a new book out “Why Liberalism Works.” She means the older kind.

  25. @Rosie
    @Flip


    If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.”

    Camille Paglia
     
    Sometimes dissident rightists accuse women of hating each other. Sometimes they accuse of extreme ingroup preference. I suppose there are women of both kinds, and all sorts in between. I'll just say this. Self-hating women are almost as detestable to me as self-hating Whites.

    Replies: @Ash Williams

    If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.”

    Camille Paglia

    Sometimes dissident rightists accuse women of hating each other. Sometimes they accuse of extreme ingroup preference. I suppose there are women of both kinds, and all sorts in between. I’ll just say this. Self-hating women are almost as detestable to me as self-hating Whites.

    You didn’t actually disagree with .

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