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From the Daily Mail:
America urged Saddam Hussein to attack Hafez al-Assad, 1983 CIA report said
Ex-CIA official Graham Fuller said US should ‘urge Iraq to take the war to Syria’
This was because Assad had closed Iraq’s oil pipeline and so had a ‘hammerlock’ on US interests in both Lebanon and in the Gulf
By Thomas Burrows for MailOnline
PUBLISHED: 07:35 EST, 20 January 2017 | UPDATED: 10:19 EST, 20 January 2017
Graham Fuller’s name just seems to come up a lot, such as his petitioning to allow charter school racketeer Imam Gulen to remain in the United States. Also, Fuller used to be the uncle-in-law of the Boston bombing Tsarnaev Brothers.
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The article is pretty unclear:
So which is it? Did the US actually try to get Saddam to attack Syria or did just one guy in the CIA think that would be a good idea? Usually the Daily Mail is pretty good at telling you what you need to know but this is pretty awful.
I’m sure that there are all kinds of crazy ideas floating around the government, most of which never becomes policy.
Yes, I think that is probably quite common in reporting on the government. I have seen it myself, personally. Some news outlet reports that Agency X is doing something or planning something, when in reality it was just Bob down in P-branch who wrote a white paper or made a conference presentation on his own pet idea.Replies: @guest
“the Boston bombing Tsarnaev Brothers”: or not, as the case may be.
Interesting.
I guess Saddam was not so hot on a two-front war though. Having the hands full with the previous suggestion to go perform a quickie invasion of Iran.
Talking about the CIA, did POTUS just go to the Powerbroking Beast’s Lair to kiss and make up?
Any info to share?
on their shoulders to contain bombs.There's an unexplained group of people present in the marathon crowd who seem to be wearing a sort of casual uniform. One brother was killed during the police hunt, and one potential witness to the brothers' activities was murdered by the FBI during an interview.It would be an unusual case where every loose end was tied up, I imagine. Still, just as the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald seems to have motivated plenty of conspiracy theories, so the murder of the chap in the interview room makes me wonder just a little.Replies: @bomag, @Bill Jones, @guest, @Lugash
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/bostonmarathon/
Many photos. Very puzzling.
Steve, you are in the wrong business.
You should be in the business of running a fact-checking web site that does advertising.
Did you know that the company that runs the Snopes.com web site, Bardav, had gross advertising sales of $216,199 in February, 2016 and expenses of only $6,970,
Those snopes.com divorce documents are full of really interesting stuff.
This may be a feasible idea. You already do a significant amount of fact checking. And you could market yourself by contrast to Snopes, riding on its having already popularized the concept of an independent Internet fact checker.
Or, hell, don't do anything much differently from what you are now doing, except the marketing campaign and a fact check hashttag. Us readers can do some of the legwork in spreading the word.
Having said all that, dunno if I want to risk tinkering with what you do now, which provides a unique and immeasurably valuable contribution to the country.
Fuller was also apparently involved in Iran-Contra.
Graham Fuller, secret turncoat? His daughter’s middle name is ‘Ankara” which might indicate his affection for the Islamic east. Maybe he flipped over to the other side. Also, John Brennan, CIA man. Check out his rhapsodizing over the majesty of Islam on YouTube and ask yourselves if there isn’t something to the rumors that he secretly converted to Islam while stationed in Saudi Arabia.
Sibel Edmonds claimed that Turkish intelligence has penetrated US intelligence agencies. Maybe she was right.
It would help explain a lot.
You should be in the business of running a fact-checking web site that does advertising.
Did you know that the company that runs the Snopes.com web site, Bardav, had gross advertising sales of $216,199 in February, 2016 and expenses of only $6,970,
Those snopes.com divorce documents are full of really interesting stuff.Replies: @Opinionator
Steve,
This may be a feasible idea. You already do a significant amount of fact checking. And you could market yourself by contrast to Snopes, riding on its having already popularized the concept of an independent Internet fact checker.
Or, hell, don’t do anything much differently from what you are now doing, except the marketing campaign and a fact check hashttag. Us readers can do some of the legwork in spreading the word.
Having said all that, dunno if I want to risk tinkering with what you do now, which provides a unique and immeasurably valuable contribution to the country.
Well, his ideas sort of got air play 30 yrs later.
That fool Fuller sounds like the anti-Bob Clive.
Don’t forget that Fuller almost certainly was the connection to the father of Omar Mateen, the Orlando Pulse nightclub murderer.
Remember, Mateen’s dad came over from Afghanistan in the mid-80’s, having been told that the Deep State would someday make him “President” of Afghanistan.
His son, the NY-born shooter, told the Orlando PD dispatchers that he, Omar Mateen, knew the Tsarnaev brothers from three years earlier.
Of course he did.
The fathers were all brought to America by Graham Fuller in the mid-80’s.
Bet on it.
Prog Pogrom or Progrom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Y7V2fQKTU&feature=youtu.be&t=9m14s
Fuller now lives in Canada, apparently. I suppose it’s easier to fly to Russia and claim Political Asylum, if things really heat up.
Remember, Mateen's dad came over from Afghanistan in the mid-80's, having been told that the Deep State would someday make him "President" of Afghanistan.
His son, the NY-born shooter, told the Orlando PD dispatchers that he, Omar Mateen, knew the Tsarnaev brothers from three years earlier.
Of course he did.
The fathers were all brought to America by Graham Fuller in the mid-80's.
Bet on it.Replies: @Anonymous
That’s not the weird thing. The weird thing is that there’s good reason to believe that nobody died at Boston and Orlando, and that they were some sort of deep state psyop.
There’s a conspiracy theory on the internet that seems to be somewhat less loopy than these things usually are. The video of the brothers that day shows them carrying rucksacks that are a different colour from the rucksacks that contained the bombs. (It did occur to me that they could have carried rucksacks of a different colour inside bigger rucksacks but I’ve seen nobody else suggest that.) Moreover the brothers’ rucksacks don’t seem to sit heavily enough
on their shoulders to contain bombs.
There’s an unexplained group of people present in the marathon crowd who seem to be wearing a sort of casual uniform.
One brother was killed during the police hunt, and one potential witness to the brothers’ activities was murdered by the FBI during an interview.
It would be an unusual case where every loose end was tied up, I imagine. Still, just as the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald seems to have motivated plenty of conspiracy theories, so the murder of the chap in the interview room makes me wonder just a little.
I give more consideration to the locals; the police and spectators would have significant chatter if things didn't go down as reported.Replies: @NOTA
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/01/03/sandy-hook-child-victim-noah-pozner-killed-twice-also-victim-pakistan-taliban-shooting/
Yeah, that's always been the most confusing part of JFK conspiracy lore to me. Aside from the fact that it was dramatic, like the assassination itself, why would that be suspicious, in particular? Probably because the people who talk it up don't pause to think how long Oswald had been in custody. (Plenty of time to spill the beans.) Nor the fact that Ruby had a chance to kill him earlier and didn't. Nor the infinite regression it would cause: you'd have to kill Ruby to shut him up, then kill the guy who killed Ruby, then kill the guy who killed the guy who killed Ruby, and so on.Replies: @dearieme
OT: This is so funny; foreigners thinking it is open season to come and engage in U.S. politics were sent back.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38694437
Is this only for white aliens from north or can we hope it applies to brown folks from south too?
Anyway, we should appreciate the new backbone of the border patrol (if it is because of the new big boss) to turn back foreign troublemakers.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sean-spicer-media-coverage-inauguration-crowd/
and the old dogs are whining because the new owner kicks them for dishonesty.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/trump-to-cia-i-am-so-behind-you/Replies: @Opinionator
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38694437
Is this only for white aliens from north or can we hope it applies to brown folks from south too?
Anyway, we should appreciate the new backbone of the border patrol (if it is because of the new big boss) to turn back foreign troublemakers.Replies: @anon
OT: I like the combativeness of the new press secretary in pushing back MSM. He hits back the folks pointing out the white space on the mall as indicating DJT’s lower popularity.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sean-spicer-media-coverage-inauguration-crowd/
and the old dogs are whining because the new owner kicks them for dishonesty.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/trump-to-cia-i-am-so-behind-you/
My problem with this (generally) is the many alternative routes for the pipeline. Seems more like an excuse, after the fact. “I’d like to blow Syria up, and a pipeline makes for a better excuse than ‘the Israelis really like the idea.’”
I’ve been spelling and saying pogrom as “progrom” for yyyeeaarrrs. Since ever. I can’t believe nobody here (or anywhere else) has corrected me, not once. Where are the pedants when you really need them?
P.S., “progrom” makes sense. Like “nomenklatura,” or “commentariat.” But “pogrom”? WTF is a “pogrom”?
C'mon man! Get with the pogrom!
http://grahamefuller.com/tag/israel/
http://grahamefuller.com/tag/israel-lobby/
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2009/R3777.pdf
He's a long time PLO/Two-state-solution apologist who has responded to the failure of his dumb idea with increasingly shrill demands that Israel commit suicide because fairness. Exactly what you'd expect from a CIA Arabist, in fact (assuming that you have the slightest clue what you are talking about).
Off-topic,
Seems that SJWs can’t get enough of video showing Richard Spencer getting sucker-punched
http://kotaku.com/nazi-gets-punched-in-the-face-internet-celebrates-1791469552
So is punching commies, but I imagine they don't have much to say about that.
Trump’s speech to the CIA is worth watching. Building bridges to the intel community with whom he has been tangling with recently.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/01/21/donald-trump-entire-cia-remarks-sot.cnn
And as usual, he lays out his strategy in plain sight, that he is talking to them first because the dishonest media has been misrepresenting things, etc.
Of course, the media won’t report that part even though it was probably the biggest applause line.
Following the recommendation by anonguy,
I watched the whole speech (15 min.) by Trump at CIA.
Good speech.
I was surprised by his assertion that "we should keep their [Iraq's] oil."
So was it declared that we can come into any other country and take something
that originally did not belong to us: [their oil].
Interesting development.Replies: @anonguy, @bomag, @guest
Ankara is an interesting name for a girl. Ankara is the capital of Turkey.
Sibel Edmonds claimed that Turkish intelligence has penetrated US intelligence agencies. Maybe she was right.
It would help explain a lot.
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2017/01/20/billionaire-george-soros-has-ties-to-more-than-50-partners-of-the-womens-march-on-washington/
It was fun to watch the well organized PussyHat show https://www.pussyhatproject.com/
Politics aside, I think this march will be remembered as a particularly well run event.Replies: @NOTA, @Jim Don Bob
I voted for Trump and will continue to support him.
Following the recommendation by anonguy,
I watched the whole speech (15 min.) by Trump at CIA.
Good speech.
I was surprised by his assertion that “we should keep their [Iraq’s] oil.”
So was it declared that we can come into any other country and take something
that originally did not belong to us: [their oil].
Interesting development.
“I’m sure that there are all kinds of crazy ideas floating around the government, most of which never becomes policy.”
Yes, I think that is probably quite common in reporting on the government. I have seen it myself, personally. Some news outlet reports that Agency X is doing something or planning something, when in reality it was just Bob down in P-branch who wrote a white paper or made a conference presentation on his own pet idea.
I guarantee the U.S. government has detailed plans not only for invading every country on earth, but overthrowing their government through various and sundry means. It doesn't mean much unless someone gets it in their head to put it into action, and actually takes steps towards that end.
Seems that SJWs can't get enough of video showing Richard Spencer getting sucker-punchedhttp://kotaku.com/nazi-gets-punched-in-the-face-internet-celebrates-1791469552Replies: @Mr. Anon
“Punching Nazis is something of a time honored tradition in the United States.”
So is punching commies, but I imagine they don’t have much to say about that.
P.S., "progrom" makes sense. Like "nomenklatura," or "commentariat." But "pogrom"? WTF is a "pogrom"?Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Gabriel M
“I’ve been spelling and saying pogrom as “progrom” for yyyeeaarrrs.”
C’mon man! Get with the pogrom!
It was an amazingly well organized march with practically no disorder or violence except the verbal kind; I very much dislike public foul language, especially by women, especially when children are around or when it may be heard on TV/radio. It was much better organized than Occupy Wall Street or Black Lives Matter or any other marches of its size. It was interesting they managed to pull off such a gargantuan national and even international show. I don’t understand the significance of international demonstrations for a U.S. domestic issue. If anything, Trump will most likely pullback from international entanglements and that can only be good for the world.
It was fun to watch the well organized PussyHat show https://www.pussyhatproject.com/
Politics aside, I think this march will be remembered as a particularly well run event.
I did not see this on the news. Maybe I was watching the wrong channel.
Fuller has his own blog and also writes for consortium news. He seems more than ambivalent about his former life and clearly sees his endorsement of radical Islam as a foreign policy tool to have been somewhat of a mistake.
What, like forgetting to take out the garbage on bin night?
'Oops! Sorry team.'
Memo to Fuller: the 'endorsement of radical Islam as a foreign policy tool' is not a 'mistake'. It is a blood-soaked calamity of nuclear-powered, ocean-going, Nimitz-class proportions. And this outcome was highly predictable at the time of initiation (I think).
Heaven save us from 'intelligence' professionals like Fuller.
Following the recommendation by anonguy,
I watched the whole speech (15 min.) by Trump at CIA.
Good speech.
I was surprised by his assertion that "we should keep their [Iraq's] oil."
So was it declared that we can come into any other country and take something
that originally did not belong to us: [their oil].
Interesting development.Replies: @anonguy, @bomag, @guest
It is a classic Trump speech wherein he’s riffing the whole way, working the audience/situation.
You can tell at first he was uneasy, this was a pretty gutsy move right into the lion’s den. But he started feeling comfortable with the audience, gaining rapport.
He did a straight end run around their handlers as well, communicated directly with a constituency that needed some reconciliation.
Well, that’s Trump for you, sees a problem, fixes it, moves on.
The audacity of it….
Good job all around.
P.S., "progrom" makes sense. Like "nomenklatura," or "commentariat." But "pogrom"? WTF is a "pogrom"?Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Gabriel M
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
http://grahamefuller.com/tag/israel/
http://grahamefuller.com/tag/israel-lobby/
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2009/R3777.pdf
He’s a long time PLO/Two-state-solution apologist who has responded to the failure of his dumb idea with increasingly shrill demands that Israel commit suicide because fairness. Exactly what you’d expect from a CIA Arabist, in fact (assuming that you have the slightest clue what you are talking about).
on their shoulders to contain bombs.There's an unexplained group of people present in the marathon crowd who seem to be wearing a sort of casual uniform. One brother was killed during the police hunt, and one potential witness to the brothers' activities was murdered by the FBI during an interview.It would be an unusual case where every loose end was tied up, I imagine. Still, just as the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald seems to have motivated plenty of conspiracy theories, so the murder of the chap in the interview room makes me wonder just a little.Replies: @bomag, @Bill Jones, @guest, @Lugash
I try to give these things a fair consideration.
I give more consideration to the locals; the police and spectators would have significant chatter if things didn’t go down as reported.
Following the recommendation by anonguy,
I watched the whole speech (15 min.) by Trump at CIA.
Good speech.
I was surprised by his assertion that "we should keep their [Iraq's] oil."
So was it declared that we can come into any other country and take something
that originally did not belong to us: [their oil].
Interesting development.Replies: @anonguy, @bomag, @guest
The underlying assumption here is that we will pay some kind of market price for the stuff.
A mistake?
What, like forgetting to take out the garbage on bin night?
‘Oops! Sorry team.’
Memo to Fuller: the ‘endorsement of radical Islam as a foreign policy tool’ is not a ‘mistake’. It is a blood-soaked calamity of nuclear-powered, ocean-going, Nimitz-class proportions. And this outcome was highly predictable at the time of initiation (I think).
Heaven save us from ‘intelligence’ professionals like Fuller.
I’m not 100% sure you should take everything the CIA director says in a speech as being entirely honest.
It was fun to watch the well organized PussyHat show https://www.pussyhatproject.com/
Politics aside, I think this march will be remembered as a particularly well run event.Replies: @NOTA, @Jim Don Bob
A march that was mostly 30-60 year old middle-class women was never going to erupt into violence and looting.
I give more consideration to the locals; the police and spectators would have significant chatter if things didn't go down as reported.Replies: @NOTA
The problem with these terrorism cases is that there is incredible political pressure to solve the case quickly. That can lead to a rush to blame the guy you have in hand–as with Richard Jewel and Steven Hatfill–innocent men who went down the first few steps toward being railroaded for terrorist attacks. On the other hand, in both those cases the rush to blame the wrong guy eventually stopped when it became clear they were innocent.
Anyone notice the “Ditch Taiwan” mail? To which Hillary responded
“Subject: Re: Interesting article
I saw it and thought it was so clever. Let’s discuss.”
I’ve got no idea if she meant it or that was the equivalent of “a courageous move, minister” i.e. you’re crazy to even consider it.
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23730#efmAEGAEhAHiAIYANlAOG
on their shoulders to contain bombs.There's an unexplained group of people present in the marathon crowd who seem to be wearing a sort of casual uniform. One brother was killed during the police hunt, and one potential witness to the brothers' activities was murdered by the FBI during an interview.It would be an unusual case where every loose end was tied up, I imagine. Still, just as the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald seems to have motivated plenty of conspiracy theories, so the murder of the chap in the interview room makes me wonder just a little.Replies: @bomag, @Bill Jones, @guest, @Lugash
It’s not dissimilar to Noah Pozner the kid who was a victim at Sandy Hook who was killed for the second time at a bombing in Pakistan.
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/01/03/sandy-hook-child-victim-noah-pozner-killed-twice-also-victim-pakistan-taliban-shooting/
Our minister used that phrase in her sermon today. Except it came out as “Would that it were show shimple.” In a nasal voice. Not sure where she is from. She proceeded to tell us she had marched yesterday. Also that some members of the congregation had been at the inaugural. She also mentioned love your enemies. But at least she added don’t do anything just because everyone else is doing it or saying it or rely on your first reaction. Think for yourself. If she had to go there, ok.
It was fun to watch the well organized PussyHat show https://www.pussyhatproject.com/
Politics aside, I think this march will be remembered as a particularly well run event.Replies: @NOTA, @Jim Don Bob
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/scenes-from-a-pussy-riot/article/2612595
I did not see this on the news. Maybe I was watching the wrong channel.
They tried to avoid showing some indecent language; but it was not always successful. In fact, on CNN, a F-bomb managed to sneak out. But, much of the humor was the women taking the pussy comment and convert it to a women’s right emblem – just as the tea parties took teabag from vulgarity to conservative totem. So, now we can replace the boring old donkey and elephant with the new and exciting pussy and teabag as party symbols.
It used to be that 'leftism' was about suppressing and sacrificing one's self-interest for the collective good. But once pop culture took over the culture and became increasingly shameless, celebrity became everything. Since Arts & Entertainment attract a lot of freaks, misfits, oddballs, and eccentrics, it sees conservative communities as dull, boring, and repressive. So, those in the arts/entertainment tend to be on the 'left'.
But the Left -- the real left -- has one thing in common with conservative community: the suppression or control of overt egotism and narcissism for the common good, be it collective economics or communal values.
In contrast, the 'leftists' in Arts & Entertainment are into me, me, me. Some might justify such self-absorption as an examination of one's own trauma resulting from social injustice, oppression, or violence. There is certainly room for this in the arts. It's understandable that a homo who was bullied in school might want to write a novel or a play about it to exorcise his own demons or to inform others of the problem.
But as society became more tolerant and permissive, there was less and less REAL oppression narrative to peddle. It's one thing for someone like James Baldwin to write of black problems and homo problems back in the days. But the Nasty Coates sounds shallow, stupid, and self-absorbed when he yammers about 'black bodies' in a world where the rapper thug is lionized.
Artists and entertainers always tended to be more egotistical than the average person, but in the past, they did have compelling stories of oppression, often of their personal experiences, not least because society was much more culturally conservative in the past.
But in the permissive and tolerant West, all they have left is their own egos gone wild. While it's true that there are lots of problems(decaying black communities, white death, illegals and poverty, drug abuse), America is no longer a hostile place for misfits, nutters, eccentrics, tards, full-tards, dementos, freaks, and etc. Some freaks, esp homos, are revered.
Freakdom is so IN that we see people getting tattoos all over and body piercings to be 'different'. Most US businesses had rules against tattoos. Forget it now as even educated people have them all over.
Since artists and entertainers are mostly egotists into themselves, their lack of peronal suffering made them lose interest in rest of humanity. Homos who may have encountered rejection or violence in the past may have felt sympathy for workers who got beat up by goons hired by capitalists. Even if nearly everyone was anti-homo back then, the fact of their own oppression would have made homos identify with OTHER members of the 'oppressed'. But now that freaks can do as they please in big cities and privileged centers of the West, they are all into me, me, and me. They cling to the brand of 'leftism', but their themes are so thin, bereft of anything compelling, sacrificing, and meaningful. Marginalized homos once identified with 'oppressed' workers, but celebrated homos of today identify with urban elites of Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and Las Vegas. Back when homosexuality was associated with filth --- even on the Left ---, homos felt they had to win moral credits via association with more creditable ideologies or causes. But now that homo-ness is holy, homos look upon working class concerns as 'deplorable'. Oh those, rust-belt types dress so badly, whoopie-pa-poo.
The Women's March attracted so many people... but the overall impression is that of Hello Kitty Convention led by fat lesbians cackling like morons to madonna whose entire career was about throwing her pussy at everyone. The slogans were among the most inane ever.
Meanwhile, Trump has a real sober leftist message as well as a right one. Workers and Nation. Our side needs to appropriate and co-opt this idea of Leftism. Why not since the Democrats abandoned it? If Neocons had one good idea, it was that the GOP had something to gain by accepting some of the premises of the New Deal.Replies: @donut
on their shoulders to contain bombs.There's an unexplained group of people present in the marathon crowd who seem to be wearing a sort of casual uniform. One brother was killed during the police hunt, and one potential witness to the brothers' activities was murdered by the FBI during an interview.It would be an unusual case where every loose end was tied up, I imagine. Still, just as the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald seems to have motivated plenty of conspiracy theories, so the murder of the chap in the interview room makes me wonder just a little.Replies: @bomag, @Bill Jones, @guest, @Lugash
“Just as the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald seems to have motivated plenty of conspiracy theories”
Yeah, that’s always been the most confusing part of JFK conspiracy lore to me. Aside from the fact that it was dramatic, like the assassination itself, why would that be suspicious, in particular? Probably because the people who talk it up don’t pause to think how long Oswald had been in custody. (Plenty of time to spill the beans.) Nor the fact that Ruby had a chance to kill him earlier and didn’t. Nor the infinite regression it would cause: you’d have to kill Ruby to shut him up, then kill the guy who killed Ruby, then kill the guy who killed the guy who killed Ruby, and so on.
Following the recommendation by anonguy,
I watched the whole speech (15 min.) by Trump at CIA.
Good speech.
I was surprised by his assertion that "we should keep their [Iraq's] oil."
So was it declared that we can come into any other country and take something
that originally did not belong to us: [their oil].
Interesting development.Replies: @anonguy, @bomag, @guest
I remember Trump saying we should have taken Iraq’s oil before he ran for president. It wasn’t so much of a we can go wherever we want and take what doesn’t belong to us mindset. It’s more of a we spent all this blood and money on a war and all we got was this lousy failed state type thing. In other words, Trump wouldn’t invade Iraq just for their oil, but so long as we’re there and so long as people are accusing us of trading “blood for oil,” might as well get the oil.
I am reminded of Tony Soprano lecturing a politician he conspired with on a HUD scam, who didn’t want to have any part in clearing a crack den so they could rip out the copper pipes. Tony said something like that’s why you’re not a businessman, because business is all about maximum value. They shouldn’t leave thousands of dollars just sitting there.
In Trump’s head, the idea that you can wage war for political and abstract “humanitarian” reasons (or so you say) but not for practical, material reasons is absurd. Especially considering what a political and “humanitarian” disaster Iraq War II was. Had he been in charge, we wouldn’t have left the copper pipes just sitting there.
became similar to Soprano's approach.
Sure, Tony Soprano is less disgusting than, say, Ralph (?).
But both are gangsters.Replies: @guest
Yes, I think that is probably quite common in reporting on the government. I have seen it myself, personally. Some news outlet reports that Agency X is doing something or planning something, when in reality it was just Bob down in P-branch who wrote a white paper or made a conference presentation on his own pet idea.Replies: @guest
The Ken Burns WWII documentary spent some time with a guy talking about his conversation with a German POW, or maybe with a German soldier after the war (I forget), who had detailed geographical knowledge of his home state. The implication was that the Germans studied our country for their eventual invasion, occupation, and rule for our part in their Thousand-Year Reich. Which of course was ridiculous, because there was no such plan for Nazi world domination, and even if they had wanted to they couldn’t conquer us. They couldn’t even conquer England (assuming for the moment they wanted to). At least the fantasy series Man in the High Castle posits Werner Heisenberg building an A-Bomb and the Germans dropping one on Washington, D.C.
I guarantee the U.S. government has detailed plans not only for invading every country on earth, but overthrowing their government through various and sundry means. It doesn’t mean much unless someone gets it in their head to put it into action, and actually takes steps towards that end.
I know if you look at a map it is obvious that Kuwait is a little boom town called a country to separate the Iraqi population from the oil wealth of their land, and no Iraqi would think differently. But, it makes you wonder about April Glaspie
Last word to Ms Glaspie: “We foolishly did not realize he [Saddam] was stupid.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sean-spicer-media-coverage-inauguration-crowd/
and the old dogs are whining because the new owner kicks them for dishonesty.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/trump-to-cia-i-am-so-behind-you/Replies: @Opinionator
He doesn’t need to yell
Apparently, he’s so global that he doesn’t live in this country anymore. His personal website says that he’s living in Vancouver BC, where “biking is good for the soul”.
Women’s march? What happened to trannies and 50 genders?
I guess when it comes to real power, all that silly stuff must take a backseat.
After all, hairsplitting 1% of the population into 50 genders is far less effective in just calling out the ho’s who are 50% of the population. 50% as one is more effective than 1% as 50 identities.
I see a lot of pussy masks. Muslim women got Veils, Feminist women got Vageils.
Sharia and Whoria united against Trump. Too funny.
I agree with you. But really it is tragic that the policy of our country, USA,
became similar to Soprano’s approach.
Sure, Tony Soprano is less disgusting than, say, Ralph (?).
But both are gangsters.
Yeah, that's always been the most confusing part of JFK conspiracy lore to me. Aside from the fact that it was dramatic, like the assassination itself, why would that be suspicious, in particular? Probably because the people who talk it up don't pause to think how long Oswald had been in custody. (Plenty of time to spill the beans.) Nor the fact that Ruby had a chance to kill him earlier and didn't. Nor the infinite regression it would cause: you'd have to kill Ruby to shut him up, then kill the guy who killed Ruby, then kill the guy who killed the guy who killed Ruby, and so on.Replies: @dearieme
I don’t think there would have been any great need to kill Ruby: wasn’t he dying of cancer?
I wouldn’t know.
Does that help?
That’s what I mean. “Progrom” makes sense. “Pogrom”? It sounds like somebody messing up the good, solid, Russian-esque loan-word, “progrom.” My brain will barely let me say or type “pogrom.”
Spicer and Conway are following the Churchill strategy: “In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies”. They are fighting MSM’s fake news with disinformation, now beautifully called by the Orwellian sounding phrase “alternative fact”.
Here ya go:
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/bostonmarathon/
Many photos. Very puzzling.
It’s a weird kind of ‘progressivism’.
It used to be that ‘leftism’ was about suppressing and sacrificing one’s self-interest for the collective good. But once pop culture took over the culture and became increasingly shameless, celebrity became everything. Since Arts & Entertainment attract a lot of freaks, misfits, oddballs, and eccentrics, it sees conservative communities as dull, boring, and repressive. So, those in the arts/entertainment tend to be on the ‘left’.
But the Left — the real left — has one thing in common with conservative community: the suppression or control of overt egotism and narcissism for the common good, be it collective economics or communal values.
In contrast, the ‘leftists’ in Arts & Entertainment are into me, me, me. Some might justify such self-absorption as an examination of one’s own trauma resulting from social injustice, oppression, or violence. There is certainly room for this in the arts. It’s understandable that a homo who was bullied in school might want to write a novel or a play about it to exorcise his own demons or to inform others of the problem.
But as society became more tolerant and permissive, there was less and less REAL oppression narrative to peddle. It’s one thing for someone like James Baldwin to write of black problems and homo problems back in the days. But the Nasty Coates sounds shallow, stupid, and self-absorbed when he yammers about ‘black bodies’ in a world where the rapper thug is lionized.
Artists and entertainers always tended to be more egotistical than the average person, but in the past, they did have compelling stories of oppression, often of their personal experiences, not least because society was much more culturally conservative in the past.
But in the permissive and tolerant West, all they have left is their own egos gone wild. While it’s true that there are lots of problems(decaying black communities, white death, illegals and poverty, drug abuse), America is no longer a hostile place for misfits, nutters, eccentrics, tards, full-tards, dementos, freaks, and etc. Some freaks, esp homos, are revered.
Freakdom is so IN that we see people getting tattoos all over and body piercings to be ‘different’. Most US businesses had rules against tattoos. Forget it now as even educated people have them all over.
Since artists and entertainers are mostly egotists into themselves, their lack of peronal suffering made them lose interest in rest of humanity. Homos who may have encountered rejection or violence in the past may have felt sympathy for workers who got beat up by goons hired by capitalists. Even if nearly everyone was anti-homo back then, the fact of their own oppression would have made homos identify with OTHER members of the ‘oppressed’. But now that freaks can do as they please in big cities and privileged centers of the West, they are all into me, me, and me. They cling to the brand of ‘leftism’, but their themes are so thin, bereft of anything compelling, sacrificing, and meaningful. Marginalized homos once identified with ‘oppressed’ workers, but celebrated homos of today identify with urban elites of Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and Las Vegas. Back when homosexuality was associated with filth — even on the Left —, homos felt they had to win moral credits via association with more creditable ideologies or causes. But now that homo-ness is holy, homos look upon working class concerns as ‘deplorable’. Oh those, rust-belt types dress so badly, whoopie-pa-poo.
The Women’s March attracted so many people… but the overall impression is that of Hello Kitty Convention led by fat lesbians cackling like morons to madonna whose entire career was about throwing her pussy at everyone. The slogans were among the most inane ever.
Meanwhile, Trump has a real sober leftist message as well as a right one. Workers and Nation. Our side needs to appropriate and co-opt this idea of Leftism. Why not since the Democrats abandoned it? If Neocons had one good idea, it was that the GOP had something to gain by accepting some of the premises of the New Deal.
became similar to Soprano's approach.
Sure, Tony Soprano is less disgusting than, say, Ralph (?).
But both are gangsters.Replies: @guest
I agree. I’m not on Trump’s side here.
Ruby lived for another 3 years or so. Plenty of time to squeal.
Do you think that is a good approach?
I was referring to his tone, by the way.
Good point. But on the other hand, why would he squeal? If he knew he was dying what incentive could they offer him to squeal? What threat would seem much worse than to be already doomed to cancer?
on their shoulders to contain bombs.There's an unexplained group of people present in the marathon crowd who seem to be wearing a sort of casual uniform. One brother was killed during the police hunt, and one potential witness to the brothers' activities was murdered by the FBI during an interview.It would be an unusual case where every loose end was tied up, I imagine. Still, just as the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald seems to have motivated plenty of conspiracy theories, so the murder of the chap in the interview room makes me wonder just a little.Replies: @bomag, @Bill Jones, @guest, @Lugash
The guys in the casual uniforms were DHS contractors. They were scanning for nuclear/biological/chemical weapons IIRC. I think it was just the typical useless pork barrel security contracting rather than a conspiracy.
I thought that the enthusiastic encouragement and support of Iraq by the US in attacking Iran was well known. There is a good article in Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
The motivation is always speculative, but Syria’s role in the oil pipeline business always comes to mind.
It used to be that 'leftism' was about suppressing and sacrificing one's self-interest for the collective good. But once pop culture took over the culture and became increasingly shameless, celebrity became everything. Since Arts & Entertainment attract a lot of freaks, misfits, oddballs, and eccentrics, it sees conservative communities as dull, boring, and repressive. So, those in the arts/entertainment tend to be on the 'left'.
But the Left -- the real left -- has one thing in common with conservative community: the suppression or control of overt egotism and narcissism for the common good, be it collective economics or communal values.
In contrast, the 'leftists' in Arts & Entertainment are into me, me, me. Some might justify such self-absorption as an examination of one's own trauma resulting from social injustice, oppression, or violence. There is certainly room for this in the arts. It's understandable that a homo who was bullied in school might want to write a novel or a play about it to exorcise his own demons or to inform others of the problem.
But as society became more tolerant and permissive, there was less and less REAL oppression narrative to peddle. It's one thing for someone like James Baldwin to write of black problems and homo problems back in the days. But the Nasty Coates sounds shallow, stupid, and self-absorbed when he yammers about 'black bodies' in a world where the rapper thug is lionized.
Artists and entertainers always tended to be more egotistical than the average person, but in the past, they did have compelling stories of oppression, often of their personal experiences, not least because society was much more culturally conservative in the past.
But in the permissive and tolerant West, all they have left is their own egos gone wild. While it's true that there are lots of problems(decaying black communities, white death, illegals and poverty, drug abuse), America is no longer a hostile place for misfits, nutters, eccentrics, tards, full-tards, dementos, freaks, and etc. Some freaks, esp homos, are revered.
Freakdom is so IN that we see people getting tattoos all over and body piercings to be 'different'. Most US businesses had rules against tattoos. Forget it now as even educated people have them all over.
Since artists and entertainers are mostly egotists into themselves, their lack of peronal suffering made them lose interest in rest of humanity. Homos who may have encountered rejection or violence in the past may have felt sympathy for workers who got beat up by goons hired by capitalists. Even if nearly everyone was anti-homo back then, the fact of their own oppression would have made homos identify with OTHER members of the 'oppressed'. But now that freaks can do as they please in big cities and privileged centers of the West, they are all into me, me, and me. They cling to the brand of 'leftism', but their themes are so thin, bereft of anything compelling, sacrificing, and meaningful. Marginalized homos once identified with 'oppressed' workers, but celebrated homos of today identify with urban elites of Wall Street, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and Las Vegas. Back when homosexuality was associated with filth --- even on the Left ---, homos felt they had to win moral credits via association with more creditable ideologies or causes. But now that homo-ness is holy, homos look upon working class concerns as 'deplorable'. Oh those, rust-belt types dress so badly, whoopie-pa-poo.
The Women's March attracted so many people... but the overall impression is that of Hello Kitty Convention led by fat lesbians cackling like morons to madonna whose entire career was about throwing her pussy at everyone. The slogans were among the most inane ever.
Meanwhile, Trump has a real sober leftist message as well as a right one. Workers and Nation. Our side needs to appropriate and co-opt this idea of Leftism. Why not since the Democrats abandoned it? If Neocons had one good idea, it was that the GOP had something to gain by accepting some of the premises of the New Deal.Replies: @donut
You are too long winded .