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Dear white women:

The Establishment hates you and wants terrible things to happen to you.

Dear white women:

The Establishment hates you and wants terrible things to happen to you.

How the ‘Karen Meme’ Confronts the Violent History of White Womanhood

BY CADY LANG
UPDATED: JULY 6, 2020 4:11 PM EDT | ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: JUNE 25, 2020 12:53 PM EDT

When you look up the hashtag #Karen on Instagram, a search that yields over 773,000 posts, the featured image on the page is a screenshot of a white woman staring intensely into the camera, pursing her lips into a smile as she touches a finger to her chin, a movement that’s at once condescending and cloying.

The woman’s name is Lisa Alexander, but on the Internet, she’s most recognized as the “San Francisco Karen,” after a clip went viral of her last week, in which she demands to know if James Juanillo, who was stenciling “Black Lives Matter” in chalk on the front of his own home, was defacing private property. …

The video of Alexander is one of a myriad of other videos, images and memes that have emerged in the last few months of “Karens,” a slang term for middle-aged white women (which seems to have stemmed from the popular “Can I speak to a manager?” meme,) who have become infamous online for their shameless displays of entitlement, privilege, and racism — and their tendency to call the police when they don’t get what they want….

“The fact that Amy Cooper is saying, ‘I’m going to call the police and tell them that a African-American man is threatening my life’ is a very racially violent statement and a racially violent act, especially if you look at it in a larger, broader historical context, and think about the way that Emmett Till’s accuser [Carolyn Bryant] did the same exact thing and it resulted in his death.”

Etcetera etcetera …

I suspect white women are pretty clueless about this kind of racist anti-white women backstabbing by women of other races who want to take their men.

 
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  1. SARAH VINE: Attacking ‘Karens’ is just racism by another name
    THE DAILY MAIL : 17:45 EDT, 7 July 2020

    Until last week, if you had asked the BBC to nominate the most reviled species on the planet, the answer would have been obvious: middle-aged white men, of course, the necrotic heart of the evil patriarchy (so long, Andrew Neil et al).

    But not any more, it seems. For Auntie has a new enemy in her sights: Karen.

    A Karen, in case you didn’t know, is a term used on social media to denote a middle-aged woman who is unaware of her ‘white privilege’.

    Someone who has forgotten, almost certainly maliciously, to recognise that her very existence is an affront to all forward-thinking people. We learned this in a trailer this week for a BBC podcast called No Country For Young Women.

    Responding to the question ‘How can white women not be Karens?’ journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley explained that any woman who is ‘unwilling to accept that her whiteness is a privilege’ is a Karen.

    And, as such, she needs to ‘educate herself’ and should ‘read some books…’

    —————————————-

    Mind you, Miss Vine spends the rest of her essay virtue signalling, pleading not to get cancelled because she ‘gets it’ about racism, really!

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Mr McKenna


    Responding to the question ‘How can white women not be Karens?’ journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley explained that any woman who is ‘unwilling to accept that her whiteness is a privilege’ is a Karen
     
    Admit you're a racist who needs to be punished, or else you're a racist who needs to be punished.

    Replies: @Amerimutt Golems, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @DextersLabRat, @ben tillman

    , @Altai
    @Mr McKenna

    Should there be a word for people who cringe at the natural extention of SJW logic against them or against certain countries with 6 letter names that aren't Russia and want it to go back to them being on the other side?

    Breting? Weinsteining?

  2. America is a land of opportunity.
    If you work hard , then you will succeed here.
    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002.
    Got a degree in Computer Engineering from UC Davis and have been working in Amazon for quite some time now.
    I make 6 figure salary and am married to a beautiful all American girl from Edina, Minnesota and have 3 kids who are thoroughly American.

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    • Thanks: AKAHorace
    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre

    Every
    Day
    I
    Need
    Attention
    https://youtu.be/RvU_Zhe8tpw

    Replies: @borgy

    , @Gyre07
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre

    Great for you, good job! But that has nothing to do with the article. Wait, don't tell me that UC Davis failed to require any English or logic classes before you got your BS from them too!

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    , @Steve in Greensboro
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre

    Thanks, Pierre, and congratulations on your wonderful life.

    The progressive left (the sort that attack white women) is not interested in competent, responsible, motivated black people like you. They exploit the other kind of black people as political tools and if they die in the process (due to the Ferguson Effect), they die.

    , @bomag
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre


    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.
     
    The twitter mob et al have taken down a lot of good men.
    , @c matt
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre


    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002
     
    See, there's the difference. You have not been steeped in anti-Americanism from birth the way only American institutions can do.

    Replies: @Pop Warner

    , @Seneca44
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre

    Do you have any insightful comments re: American Blacks or race relations in general in the U.S.?

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre

    Good lawd, y’all.

    Steve in Greensboro, bomag, c matt, Seneca44 (+ more?) get trolled by Nengue Mboko dropping some sly cuck porn and don’t even know it. I got some bad news about the “Nigerian Prince” you each wired $20,000 to …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb72148xQco


    Boo-bwele-Boo-bwele-Boo-bwele-ah-HA.. A-HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Nengue MBoko & Lionel Joseph re-living their days at the African Education Conference, in the Haile Selassie Pavilion.
     
    , @Lot
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre

    This new troll has potential. Don’t ruin it by going over the top too soon.

    Pretending Amazon would hire a non-subcon programmer is already pushing it. Make it a “software project manager” next time.

    , @Olorin
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre

    >all American girl from Edina, Minnesota

    A Somali IOW.

    , @dually
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre


    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.
     
    I hate to break this to you, but you owe your entire carrier, lifestyle, etc, to Affirmative Action token hiring. This has nothing to do with any qualifier other than you own skin tone. It is surprising you haven't realized this yet, considering how smart you think you are.
  3. Dear white women:

    The Establishment hates you and wants terrible things to happen to you.

    That’s a bingo. But, we’ve been here before. If you think this is so bad, you don’t know the past. After 1865, a big portion of the adult Southern White male in their prime years was dead. Federal occupation secured the entire Southern vote for the Republicans who ruled in Washington, which insured tons of Black elected officials (given to us at the point of a gun).

    Imagine how White women would have felt in those days. Now you see why militias were formed to provide protection.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @RichardTaylor

    Sad thing is that intelligent Southerners perceived the threat that Blacks posed to Anglo-America. For example, here's Stephen F Austin:


    "I sometimes shudder at the consequences and think that a large part of America will be Santo Domingonized in 100, or 200 years. The idea of seeing such a country as this overrun by a slave population almost makes me weep. It is in vain to tell a North American that the white population will be destroyed some fifty or eighty years hence by the negroes, and that his daughters will be violated and Butchered by them."
     
    Yet they did nothing to eradicate the threat. Just imagine what the USA would look like if the Southern elite had decided to ship their slaves to Liberia back in the 1830s.....

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Altai, @Bardon Kaldian

  4. White people are their worst enemies themselves.
    It’s not black and brown folks who are bringing you down.
    It’s white Leftists who are doing all this.
    Mr. Kim Jong whenever you gets those missiles ready, please launch one in Seattle, one in Portland and one in San Francisco.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Dr. Taylor


    White people are their worst enemies themselves.
     
    It takes a lot of work and resources to keep everyone under the current Woke regime. It may not be sustainable. The Soviet system finally fell, partly due to exhaustion. Reconstruction in the South got tiresome. The US got tired of trying turn Iraq into Sweden.


    Who knows the timescale, but perhaps, this too will end.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Dr. Taylor

    'It’s white Leftists who are doing all this.'

    Now, let's be honest.

    Can't you define that a little more precisely?

    , @Icy Blast
    @Dr. Taylor

    Well, it's a good thing that all evil can be located in those three West Coast cities. For awhile I was worried about Washington, D.C., New York City, and even Chicago! What was I thinking? Thanks for setting me straight!

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @ontherocks
    @Dr. Taylor

    Let's just hope their guidance systems are "worth a flip".

  5. Whew. What a relief that Cady Lang isn’t k.d. lang but probably has nicer shoes.

    • LOL: wren
    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Auntie Analogue

    From the looks of that photo, Cady would certainly know about "racial violence." Talk about a stereotypical Social Justice Valkyrie, she even drags out Emmett Till (!!) for good measure. 1955 Money, Mississippi---meet 2020 Central Park, Manhattan.

  6. Poetic justice. Half the trouble America and the West faces started by giving white women the vote and catering to their frivolous desires. Let the dumb, perimenopausal cows get their heads caved in as their formerly-safe gentrified hipsterburgs turn on them.

    • Agree: JohnPlywood
    • Disagree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Thomas

    The first time women had universal suffrage in this country, they helped elect President Harding, who signed the greatest piece of legislation Congress ever passed.

    Replies: @Tono Bungay, @Anonymous, @SimpleSong

    , @Jesse
    @Thomas

    Aaand this is why the left is succeeding. Playing white people of both sexes off each other only works if the men are gleefully playing ball.

    It's not just the Dems playing white women like fiddles. It's white women looking at white men and seeing that the men hate them, and want to enact a system far, far worse than anything the left could imagine. The women may as well take their chances with the Woke.

    No one hates white people, as we actually are, more than white nationalists. It's a bunch of rejects from white society, and federal agents. And that's why you've spent the past few decades getting your asses handed to you.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @Thea
    @Thomas

    Enjoy extinction.

    What about us dumb perimenopausal cows who gave birth several future white men?

    Where do white men come from after all? Do they spring from the ground like mushrooms in the night?

    Our effort should go to eradicating feminism not white women

    Replies: @Thomas

    , @AUSA(ret)
    @Thomas

    From time to time I have reacted to various posts in this blog suggesting that they are monumentally, heroically, and without doubt, stupid. You sir, have made a liar out of me. I can only pray that you intended sarcasm and I failed to recognize your clumsy and failed attempt. But I don't think so, and thus you have made the stupidest, most ignorant, most misogynistic, most racist comment I have ever read here. You should be thankful you can do so in relative anonymity and pray no malevolent soul doxxes you.

    , @Joseph Doaks
    @Thomas

    "Poetic justice. Half the trouble America and the West faces started by giving white women the vote and catering to their frivolous desires."

    I agree with this much. The rest seems a bit harsh.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Thomas

    Yes, seeing white women get their just deserts has given me schadenfreude. They sure know how to play the "damsel in distress" card.

  7. wren says:

    Slightly OT, but all Steve posts are approaching the singularity these days anyway…

    A number of intellectuals signed a letter against cancel culture (probably blm-type cancel culture, but I can’t keep up).

    One of them was Matt Yglesias, who is now under a cancel threat by a trans person for signing the letter.

    https://www.twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1280603481531912192

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @wren

    "Emily" van der Werff is proof positive that blacks aren't the only ones who believe in voodoo.




    https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Todd+VanDerWerff+Alicia+Lutes+2018+Summer+IrcGpRCvEpbl.jpg


    https://pluralist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/vox.jpg

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Anon
    @wren

    Matt Yglesias was a co-founder of Vox. I suppose the only one who can fire him is Ezra Klein, the other co-founder. I'm not sure Yglesias is low enough to be fired, frankly, so she's just spinning her wheels. He's not going to fire himself.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @AceDeuce

    , @Anon
    @wren

    "Emily Vanderwerff" (what a stupid name) either as male or female looks like he could break the Y-guy in two.

    Male eunuchs are the creepiest and nastiest schemers and plotters of all. A GUY who looks like a truck says Yglesias makes him feel 'unsafe.' HA!

    Anyone who believes that is a fool.

    , @Altai
    @wren

    Jesse Signal is on there for the same reason Matt Yglesias is there.

    https://twitter.com/CityBureaucrat/status/1276550259511083008

    Replies: @Moses

    , @CajunSmiff
    @wren

    Will the shock professed from Singals and Yglesiases as the revolution turns on them be real or feigned? Is it that it would never happen or that they were supposed to enjoy another 10 years minimum of social largesse and the opportunity to secure a bigger life boat and confirmation of a welcoming port?

    Watching all this happen at breakneck speed may be the only satisfaction quietly afforded to those of us who "told you so."

  8. OT

    Some black American football player Tweets fake quote from Adolf Hitler. Doesn’t really apologise, but, instead, implicitly admits to being too stupid to knowing that anyone would be offended by his “helping” and “enlightening”.

    Were he suffering a serious and obvious mental disability but was white, I doubt he would be treated as charitably as he will by cancel culture. No wonder blacks feel a subtle disrespect.

    DeSean Jackson quoting “Hitler”:

    Hitler said, “because the white Jews knows that the Negros are the real Children of Israel and to keep Americas secret, the Jews will blackmail America.

    The will extort America, their plan for world domination won’t work if the negros knew who they were.

    The white citizens of America will be terrified to know that all this time they’ve been mistreating and discriminating and lynching the Children of Israel.

    They will fear God will destroy them as he destroyed Egypt for doing the same thing. So the elite, the Illuminati keeps this a secret at all cost.

    After I die, I will one day cause World War 3 just by this message which will be like planting a seed in people minds until it sprouts once they nurture that seed and seek more truth and learn Hitler was right.

    • Replies: @Kyle
    @Not Only Wrathful

    First and foremost he had to apologize to team owner Jeffery Lurie and general manager Howie Roseman... lol

  9. racist anti-white women

    This would be clearer with a second dash.

    …women of other races who want to take their men.

    Which races would those be? Not the one that has dominated the news of late.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Reg Cæsar

    You of all people surely know that dashes and hyphens are opposite in meaning and function!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  10. Calling the police is “a shameless display entitlement, privilege and racism”, and it has nothing to do with being vulnerable to criminal predations.

    Interesting.

    • Replies: @Aardvark
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Privilege...

    Courtesy of dictionary.com:

    a right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most:
    the privileges of the very rich.

    Is the ability to report suspicious behavior to the police only granted to white women? No.
    Can less than rich women of any color report suspicious behavior to the police? Yes.

    a special right, immunity, or exemption granted to persons in authority or office to free them from certain obligations or liabilities:
    the privilege of a senator to speak in Congress without danger of a libel suit.

    Does this apply to white women generically? No.

    a grant to an individual, corporation, etc., of a special right or immunity, under certain conditions.
    the principle or condition of enjoying special rights or immunities.

    Does this apply to white women generically? No. It is not a special right to report suspicious behavior to the police.

    , @Brutus Antifederlist
    @Not Only Wrathful

    It has been stated in court cases the police do not have to respond, do not have to stop a crime, are not obligated to protect you in any way.

    Yet, we still thing there are a force for good.

    We see them run and hide more and more.

    Carry a weapon. Know how to use it. Be willing to use it. Stay alert.

    A can of bear spray is a great alternative, or companion, to deadly force and can clear a large area. Watch the wind though.

    Brutus

  11. Anonymous[260] • Disclaimer says:

    Do they still publish cross-racial rape victim-perpetrator stats?

    I remember when the numbers were shocking, like 35,000 black-on-white rapes and no (or statistically so) in the opposite direction.

    The videos of white women being assaulted by blacks have upset me of late. I just feel like it’s universal deceit in media.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    @Anonymous

    I'm pretty sure they stopped publishing this little bit over a decade ago because it was showing black on white rapes being anywhere from 20,000-50,000 a year and the reverse typically 0 meaning 0 or below 10 so within the margin of error, and people were quoting it. It's kind of like when some people were citing the America Association of Blood Banks and their paternity testing data which was showing 25-40% of the tests they did on any given year as non-matches and they just stopped publishing the data. No reason to think any of this is any better nowadays, though.

    , @Colin Wright
    @Anonymous

    'Do they still publish cross-racial rape victim-perpetrator stats?

    I remember when the numbers were shocking, like 35,000 black-on-white rapes and no (or statistically so) in the opposite direction.

    The videos of white women being assaulted by blacks have upset me of late. I just feel like it’s universal deceit in media.'

    Looked at in that way, the whole 'Karen' thing starts to look different.

    Is the underlying intent simply to silence the actual victims?

    After all, at least a large proportion of white men can see off all but the most ferocious attempts at racial intimidation and violence. How many white women can?

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    , @John Derbyshire
    @Anonymous

    Bring back Table 42! https://tinyurl.com/y77yacut

  12. How the ‘Karen Meme’ Confronts the Violent History of White Womanhood

    Whereas the history of Chinese Womanhood isn’t violent at all *cough* Wu Zeitan *cough* Madame Mao *cough*.

    Carrying on the awards-show theme, when will white women arrive at that inverse Sally Fields realization about a lot of POC: “You hate me. You really hate me.”

    • Agree: Redneck farmer, kikz
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mr. Anon

    Although likely Chinese, Cady Lang is obviously of non-Han ethnicity, probably descended from "minority" populations in Southern China or South-East Asia. Her surname supports this assumption.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Mr. Anon

    "You hate me. You really hate me."

    I believe (hope) that the past few weeks have been an eye-opener for normal whites. The sheer volume of hatred directed at whites far exceeds the previous culture war skirmishes. Maybe even the white men jonesing from their cancelled corporate sports opiate were able to notice. Probably not. I wasn't alarmed by the predictable black outpouring of venom. I was startled by the insane energy of the self-hating white cult kids. Victims of the cultural Marxist programming in public schools. The future administrators of the new anti-racist utopia. I'm glad my kid isn't an American.

    , @flyingtiger
    @Mr. Anon

    You forgot the Dragon Lady.

  13. …a long and troubling legacy of white women in the country weaponizing their victimhood.

    That’s an awfully roundabout way to spell “feminism”.

    • Agree: mark green
  14. Clueless? You can say that again. Hell, they could chuck a spear through their breast and the pussyhats would still gurgle through their bloody sputem: “white privilege.”

  15. @wren
    Slightly OT, but all Steve posts are approaching the singularity these days anyway...

    A number of intellectuals signed a letter against cancel culture (probably blm-type cancel culture, but I can't keep up).

    One of them was Matt Yglesias, who is now under a cancel threat by a trans person for signing the letter.

    https://www.twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1280603481531912192

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @Anon, @Altai, @CajunSmiff

    “Emily” van der Werff is proof positive that blacks aren’t the only ones who believe in voodoo.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Reg Cæsar

    Lol, coworker of the year award. I predict murder-suicide in ... five years? Quite possibly less.

    https://img.uncyc.org/da/thumb/0/09/Edna.jpg/500px-Edna.jpg

  16. Visuals of Karens exploiting their privilege when things don’t go their way have become Internet shorthand for a particular kind of racial violence white women have instigated for centuries

    I don’t know how, but I didn’t see that coming. I expected to see “suffered” in place of “instigated”.

  17. @Anonymous
    Do they still publish cross-racial rape victim-perpetrator stats?

    I remember when the numbers were shocking, like 35,000 black-on-white rapes and no (or statistically so) in the opposite direction.

    The videos of white women being assaulted by blacks have upset me of late. I just feel like it’s universal deceit in media.

    Replies: @Saxon, @Colin Wright, @John Derbyshire

    I’m pretty sure they stopped publishing this little bit over a decade ago because it was showing black on white rapes being anywhere from 20,000-50,000 a year and the reverse typically 0 meaning 0 or below 10 so within the margin of error, and people were quoting it. It’s kind of like when some people were citing the America Association of Blood Banks and their paternity testing data which was showing 25-40% of the tests they did on any given year as non-matches and they just stopped publishing the data. No reason to think any of this is any better nowadays, though.

  18. @Dr. Taylor
    White people are their worst enemies themselves.
    It's not black and brown folks who are bringing you down.
    It's white Leftists who are doing all this.
    Mr. Kim Jong whenever you gets those missiles ready, please launch one in Seattle, one in Portland and one in San Francisco.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Colin Wright, @Icy Blast, @ontherocks

    White people are their worst enemies themselves.

    It takes a lot of work and resources to keep everyone under the current Woke regime. It may not be sustainable. The Soviet system finally fell, partly due to exhaustion. Reconstruction in the South got tiresome. The US got tired of trying turn Iraq into Sweden.

    Who knows the timescale, but perhaps, this too will end.

  19. @Mr McKenna

    SARAH VINE: Attacking 'Karens' is just racism by another name
    THE DAILY MAIL : 17:45 EDT, 7 July 2020

    Until last week, if you had asked the BBC to nominate the most reviled species on the planet, the answer would have been obvious: middle-aged white men, of course, the necrotic heart of the evil patriarchy (so long, Andrew Neil et al).

    But not any more, it seems. For Auntie has a new enemy in her sights: Karen.

    A Karen, in case you didn’t know, is a term used on social media to denote a middle-aged woman who is unaware of her ‘white privilege’.

    Someone who has forgotten, almost certainly maliciously, to recognise that her very existence is an affront to all forward-thinking people. We learned this in a trailer this week for a BBC podcast called No Country For Young Women.

    Responding to the question ‘How can white women not be Karens?’ journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley explained that any woman who is ‘unwilling to accept that her whiteness is a privilege’ is a Karen.

    And, as such, she needs to ‘educate herself’ and should ‘read some books...'
     
    ----------------------------------------

    Mind you, Miss Vine spends the rest of her essay virtue signalling, pleading not to get cancelled because she 'gets it' about racism, really!

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Altai

    Responding to the question ‘How can white women not be Karens?’ journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley explained that any woman who is ‘unwilling to accept that her whiteness is a privilege’ is a Karen

    Admit you’re a racist who needs to be punished, or else you’re a racist who needs to be punished.

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Admit you’re a racist who needs to be punished, or else you’re a racist who needs to be punished.

     

    Amelia Dimoldenberg and Charlotte Riley are just projecting their privileged Jewish backgrounds. They don't speak for ordinary goyim but that doesn't matter to non-whites.

    The latter is an unhinged activist rather than a serious historian just like co-ethnic Miranda Kaufmann who wrote the book Black Tudors to support the multiculturalism and nation of immigrants narrative.

    https://www.southampton.ac.uk/history/about/staff/clr1y14.page

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Not Only Wrathful

    "That's some catch, that Catch-22."

    "It's the best there is."

    Replies: @sayless

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Not Only Wrathful


    Admit you’re a racist who needs to be punished, or else you’re a racist who needs to be punished.
     
    How long until white people break the Gordian knot of this formulation by just admitting "I am a racist."

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Almost Missouri

    , @DextersLabRat
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley deserve racism.

    , @ben tillman
    @Not Only Wrathful


    Admit you’re a racist who needs to be punished, or else you’re a racist who needs to be punished.
     
    Clever and well said.
  20. @ABDOULAYE Pierre
    America is a land of opportunity.
    If you work hard , then you will succeed here.
    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002.
    Got a degree in Computer Engineering from UC Davis and have been working in Amazon for quite some time now.
    I make 6 figure salary and am married to a beautiful all American girl from Edina, Minnesota and have 3 kids who are thoroughly American.

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Gyre07, @Steve in Greensboro, @bomag, @c matt, @Seneca44, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot, @Olorin, @dually

    Every
    Day
    I
    Need
    Attention

    • Replies: @borgy
    @Ganderson

    I'm from Wisconsin worked in Minnesota at a hospital as an Ultrasound tech in the 90's . Every other Wed, had to go to a clinic in Edina. I remember an x-ray tech saying "Going to see the cake eaters today huh" I Did not even know what he meant at the time lol.

  21. @Thomas
    Poetic justice. Half the trouble America and the West faces started by giving white women the vote and catering to their frivolous desires. Let the dumb, perimenopausal cows get their heads caved in as their formerly-safe gentrified hipsterburgs turn on them.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Jesse, @Thea, @AUSA(ret), @Joseph Doaks, @ScarletNumber

    The first time women had universal suffrage in this country, they helped elect President Harding, who signed the greatest piece of legislation Congress ever passed.

    • Replies: @Tono Bungay
    @ben tillman

    OK, I'll bite. Just what legislation are you referring to?

    Replies: @ConservaWhig

    , @Anonymous
    @ben tillman

    Which piece of legislation is that?

    , @SimpleSong
    @ben tillman

    True, but back then they were much more likely to be married, much more likely to have children, and much more likely to be economically dependent on their husbands.

    Female suffrage seems to create a feedback loop. Women vote for their own economic interests (as does everybody) and so right after women's suffrage they tend to align their votes very closely with the needs of their men who support them economically. But each cycle they also vote themselves a little more safety net, a little more money for industries they dominate (like education and healthcare), a little less protection for industries they don't dominate (manufacturing, construction) and as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society. And their voting patterns diverge, and society starts to look very very different from what it used to.

    Now the question is, are these economically independent women happier, or better off? Of course it depends on the individual case, but as a whole, I think that paradoxically the economic independence has lessened women's happiness. This independence indirectly led to more libertine sexual mores, which I don't think women appreciate that much, and, let's be frank, working kinda sucks. Surveys of female happiness seem to support this although it's difficult to put a lot of faith in that sort of data.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus, @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @anon, @Thea

  22. @Not Only Wrathful
    OT

    Some black American football player Tweets fake quote from Adolf Hitler. Doesn't really apologise, but, instead, implicitly admits to being too stupid to knowing that anyone would be offended by his "helping" and "enlightening".

    Were he suffering a serious and obvious mental disability but was white, I doubt he would be treated as charitably as he will by cancel culture. No wonder blacks feel a subtle disrespect.

    DeSean Jackson quoting "Hitler":

    Hitler said, “because the white Jews knows that the Negros are the real Children of Israel and to keep Americas secret, the Jews will blackmail America.

    The will extort America, their plan for world domination won’t work if the negros knew who they were.

    The white citizens of America will be terrified to know that all this time they’ve been mistreating and discriminating and lynching the Children of Israel.

    They will fear God will destroy them as he destroyed Egypt for doing the same thing. So the elite, the Illuminati keeps this a secret at all cost.

    After I die, I will one day cause World War 3 just by this message which will be like planting a seed in people minds until it sprouts once they nurture that seed and seek more truth and learn Hitler was right.

    Replies: @Kyle

    First and foremost he had to apologize to team owner Jeffery Lurie and general manager Howie Roseman… lol

  23. @ABDOULAYE Pierre
    America is a land of opportunity.
    If you work hard , then you will succeed here.
    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002.
    Got a degree in Computer Engineering from UC Davis and have been working in Amazon for quite some time now.
    I make 6 figure salary and am married to a beautiful all American girl from Edina, Minnesota and have 3 kids who are thoroughly American.

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Gyre07, @Steve in Greensboro, @bomag, @c matt, @Seneca44, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot, @Olorin, @dually

    Great for you, good job! But that has nothing to do with the article. Wait, don’t tell me that UC Davis failed to require any English or logic classes before you got your BS from them too!

    • LOL: Kyle
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Gyre07

    You, Sir, missed the nuanced point: He married a Karen, so they can't be all evil.

  24. @Dr. Taylor
    White people are their worst enemies themselves.
    It's not black and brown folks who are bringing you down.
    It's white Leftists who are doing all this.
    Mr. Kim Jong whenever you gets those missiles ready, please launch one in Seattle, one in Portland and one in San Francisco.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Colin Wright, @Icy Blast, @ontherocks

    ‘It’s white Leftists who are doing all this.’

    Now, let’s be honest.

    Can’t you define that a little more precisely?

  25. I suspect white women are pretty clueless about this kind of racist anti-white women backstabbing by women of other races who want to take their men.

    Steve, you really must be more disciplined in your editing; this sentence is too long by nineteen words.

    • Disagree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Charles St. Charles

    "Steve, you really must be more disciplined in your editing; this sentence is too long by nineteen words."

    Wrong. I understood it the first time through. Your IQ is just too low by nineteen points.

  26. @Anonymous
    Do they still publish cross-racial rape victim-perpetrator stats?

    I remember when the numbers were shocking, like 35,000 black-on-white rapes and no (or statistically so) in the opposite direction.

    The videos of white women being assaulted by blacks have upset me of late. I just feel like it’s universal deceit in media.

    Replies: @Saxon, @Colin Wright, @John Derbyshire

    ‘Do they still publish cross-racial rape victim-perpetrator stats?

    I remember when the numbers were shocking, like 35,000 black-on-white rapes and no (or statistically so) in the opposite direction.

    The videos of white women being assaulted by blacks have upset me of late. I just feel like it’s universal deceit in media.’

    Looked at in that way, the whole ‘Karen’ thing starts to look different.

    Is the underlying intent simply to silence the actual victims?

    After all, at least a large proportion of white men can see off all but the most ferocious attempts at racial intimidation and violence. How many white women can?

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Colin Wright

    "After all, at least a large proportion of white men can see off all but the most ferocious attempts at racial intimidation and violence. How many white women can?"

    Does "see off" mean "recognize," or "are blind to"?

    Replies: @Random Passer By

  27. Anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @Escher
    @Anonymous

    I would “LOL” that were it not tragic at the same time.
    So now a 911 caller has to debate between taking a chance on getting robbed/raped/murdered vs. falling afoul of the “CAREN”
    Act.

  28. @wren
    Slightly OT, but all Steve posts are approaching the singularity these days anyway...

    A number of intellectuals signed a letter against cancel culture (probably blm-type cancel culture, but I can't keep up).

    One of them was Matt Yglesias, who is now under a cancel threat by a trans person for signing the letter.

    https://www.twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1280603481531912192

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @Anon, @Altai, @CajunSmiff

    Matt Yglesias was a co-founder of Vox. I suppose the only one who can fire him is Ezra Klein, the other co-founder. I’m not sure Yglesias is low enough to be fired, frankly, so she’s just spinning her wheels. He’s not going to fire himself.

    • Replies: @gabriel alberton
    @Anon

    I'm not so sure about how he's not going to fire himself. I think it was Boeing's chief communications officer who just resigned over something he penned about women over three decades ago, before I was even born. Granted, there are differences, one of them being that Yglesias was of course aware of how the current year is when he signed that open letter (after all, the letter is about the current year, and he apparently did so the other day). But quite a few folks seem to be prone to firing themselves lately, like faulty guns, so I wouldn't bet on him staying put.

    , @AceDeuce
    @Anon

    Oy Gevalt!

    "Emily" used to be, until a year of two ago, a guy named Todd. He/she/it was a TV critic at the AV Club.

  29. Believe women, they said. Unless it’s a white woman talking about a Black™ man. Then, don’t believe women.

    • Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild
    @Space Ghost

    For years, many in the Fathers' Rights camp were subjected to the wrath of endless near-Wall, Wall and Post-Wall wives--watching their lives, relationship with their children, and finances ruined by family courts. These courts were based upon the premise, quite literally, that white women deserved to be taken care of, first and fore most--forever--by whomever it would be that needed to do it (husbands, exes, boyfriends, the court-daddies, child support offices, teams of attorneys). An entire state and cultural apparatus was set up to please white women. Did some other women of other colors benefit from this same system? Sure, but their numbers were small compared to white women, when it came to payouts/settlements, alimony, huge child support orders.

    Some in the same Fathers' Rights camps, who were more racially inclined/sensitive, saw a larger conspiracy behind the push to have white women divorce, and create this battle of the sexes. Those same people, correctly, predicted this day would come--this Day of the Karen. While white women were mocking their husbands, ex-husbands, men in the workplace, their own sons, brothers and fathers, the Left/progs were quietly (at first) preparing for this era. It has now arrived.

    Very few white men over the age of 30 are going to care. Period. It happened so fast, there is no time for white men to regroup, with white women and come up with a joint effort to walk any of this back. It's literally every white for him/herself.

    Lastly: Said it before, say it again There will be no election in Nov.

    , @Dissident
    @Space Ghost


    Believe women, they said. Unless it’s a white woman talking about a Black™ man.
     
    Or if believing a woman would otherwise harm The Narrative, or thwart the advancement of one the Good People. For example, the accusations of Tara Reade against Joe Biden; numerous women against Bill Clinton, etc.

    I must note that while today's Democrats may be unrivaled in such glaring hypocrisy and double-standards, such vices are not exclusive to them or any particular entity (but rather are endemic to the human condition). As others here no doubt recall, the GOP Senator who led the charge during the impeachment of Bill Clinton-- not just in making a legal case against the past President but who specifically chastised him in highly moralistic language-- was none other than the same individual who, when confronted about a long-term affair that he had carried-on at the age of 43 with a married mother of several young children, dismissed it as "a youthful indiscretion".

    Then, around two decades later, I noticed, in many Trump supporters, a striking contrast between their response to the Monica Lewinsky scandal and their response to certain documented, undisputed behavior that was at least as unsavory and reprehensible on the part of our now-sitting President. (In both of the cases that I am contrasting here, I am excluding unproven allegations and rumors.) The 21-year-old White House intern Lewinsky was by all accounts a jezebel with a history of specifically enticing married men.

    A considerable number of the very same people who painted Clinton as a degenerate, predatory rake for cavorting with that seductress-- one whom they absurdly portrayed as a pristine, innocent victim-- exhibited a markedly different response in the face of incontrovertible evidence of a long pattern of behavior by a different individual that includes very public boasting of his sexual conquests of married women-- while he was himself married and had school-age children. At least Clinton had the modicum of decency/shame not to boast, at least not publicly, about any of his sexual indiscretions.

  30. Anonymous[531] • Disclaimer says:

    “Karens” are already off the market though. They’re middle aged and near or post-menopausal. They’re either already married or in spinsterhood.

  31. @Reg Cæsar

    racist anti-white women
     
    This would be clearer with a second dash.

    ...women of other races who want to take their men.
     
    Which races would those be? Not the one that has dominated the news of late.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    You of all people surely know that dashes and hyphens are opposite in meaning and function!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr McKenna


    You of all people surely know that dashes and hyphens are opposite in meaning and function!
     
    I must have had unconscious reservations about using hyphen for a post about white women.

    Why is a hyphen like a hymen?

    You're never really married till it's gone!

    Replies: @ChrisZ

  32. Anon[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @wren
    Slightly OT, but all Steve posts are approaching the singularity these days anyway...

    A number of intellectuals signed a letter against cancel culture (probably blm-type cancel culture, but I can't keep up).

    One of them was Matt Yglesias, who is now under a cancel threat by a trans person for signing the letter.

    https://www.twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1280603481531912192

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @Anon, @Altai, @CajunSmiff

    “Emily Vanderwerff” (what a stupid name) either as male or female looks like he could break the Y-guy in two.

    Male eunuchs are the creepiest and nastiest schemers and plotters of all. A GUY who looks like a truck says Yglesias makes him feel ‘unsafe.’ HA!

    Anyone who believes that is a fool.

  33. @Dr. Taylor
    White people are their worst enemies themselves.
    It's not black and brown folks who are bringing you down.
    It's white Leftists who are doing all this.
    Mr. Kim Jong whenever you gets those missiles ready, please launch one in Seattle, one in Portland and one in San Francisco.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Colin Wright, @Icy Blast, @ontherocks

    Well, it’s a good thing that all evil can be located in those three West Coast cities. For awhile I was worried about Washington, D.C., New York City, and even Chicago! What was I thinking? Thanks for setting me straight!

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Icy Blast


    Well, it’s a good thing that all evil can be located in those three West Coast cities. For awhile I was worried about Washington, D.C., New York City, and even Chicago! What was I thinking? Thanks for setting me straight!
     
    I believe Dr. Taylor was writing in the context of implied capability of the North Koreans.

    Not an area i know much about, but I believe the general consensus is that the Norks could hit Seattle with what they have. (Whether they could get everything--missile, bomb--working together successfully in X number of tries?)

    They have built a rocket--the Hwasong-14--tested in 2017, that might be capable of reaching out to 10,000km in range, but they certainly haven't tested the capability to do that. They have a SLBM that they successfully tested as well. Range of that is unknown as well as capability of their submarines at sea.

    The actual capability of the Norks ICBM program is one of those things that is shrouded in layers upon layers of fog--both what intelligence agencies know (with what level of confidence) they can do, and what they actually can do (with what level of confidence).

    Replies: @Jack D

  34. Oh Yglesias is toast. He’s done. Tranny beats pretty much everything in Pokemon diversity points.

    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.

    What they want are black men. Look at DeSean Jackson. He quotes some junk by “Hitler” through Farrakhan and he suffers … nothing. No suspension. No fines. No groveling. No apologies.

    White women accurately feel that they are significantly hotter than sistahs. That’s not hard, the average black woman is morbidly obese with huuuugggggeeeeee behinds. Lizzo is actually slender for black women.

    However they underestimate how much a threat they are to black women and how much they are resented. There are only seven (only 7 !!!!) black men with college degrees not in prison or with significant prison time served. George Floyd is not only a role model he’s typical of most black men. The few educated black men who have managed not to keep it real and make a good living are highly sought after. And sistahs like White women poaching their men as much as Asian men enjoy White dudes with Asian girls.

    The clueless oblivion will never ever change for White women. Even as President Abrams has her army of Quaneeshas clubbing them over the head like baby seals for their … hair. “We need our weaves. I don’t wear it personally. But we need it.” Its a lifetime of habit. White women have spent their entire lives from being adorable and thus spoiled little girls to hot chicks and thus spoiled beyond belief just feeling not thinking. A few women can think, and most could if they had a lifetime habit of thinking. But soft easy living and the spoiling of White women has led to a lifetime of actively not thinking. Just feelz.

    White women will reflexively side with black men even as they get clubbed over the head. They are the dominant ones and so the lady tingles uber alles, so to speak.

    • Disagree: kikz
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Whiskey


    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.
     
    Seething white female detected. White men are the champions, white women a genetic dead end:


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png

    https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.png

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @The Wild Geese Howard, @throtler, @Twinkie, @SunBakedSuburb, @Bert

    , @Anonymous
    @Whiskey


    White women have spent their entire lives from being adorable and thus spoiled little girls to hot chicks and thus spoiled beyond belief just feeling not thinking.
     
    How much experience do you have with white women? How many romantic relationships have you had with them?

    Incel says what?

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Whiskey


    There are only seven (only 7 !!!!) black men with college degrees not in prison or with significant prison time served.
     
    Now, that deserves a LOL!
  35. I suspect white women are pretty clueless about this kind of racist anti-white women backstabbing by women of other races who want to take their men.

    I don’t think that this is the case, the anti white women just hate all white people, male or female.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @AKAHorace

    Nonwhite women-black, "Latino", and Asian-hate white women FAR more than nonwhite men hate white men. The nonwhite males do hate white men, of course, but nowhere as much.

    Nonwhite men also hate white woman with a passion. Blacks go after the white girls to use them. They are far more compliant and gullible than their own she-beasts.

    Boogie males use white women like Indian used the bison, for several essential needs: Sperm receptacle, two legged ATM, chauffeur, housekeeper, status symbol, a thumb in Mr. YT's eye, and a chance to deny white babies being born in favor of a half groid baby.

    But bottom line is nonwhites of both sexes hate white women far more than they hate white men. White women are mostly clueless about this.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @AKAHorace

  36. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    *THE* crucial factor in the survival of white America in the future is whether the generality of white women will continue to side with the ‘equality’ bandwagon against white men – a stance which over the past century has, to be honest, delivered enormous unwarranted benefits to them – or to act against their own overpoweringly selfish and cunning feminine instincts and actually act rationally and realise the ultimate consequences of their actions.

    I can’t say I hold out much hope.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
    @Anonymous

    If white men shunned every single SJW they would change their tune immediately. If going to a BLM march made you a pariah in terms of marriage material they would stop tomorrow. It's down to white men, not women.

  37. At this point in history, white women sorta remind me of Celeste at the end of Mystic River . (spoiler alert) She sold out her husband for, basically, a pat on the head from the local powers that be, and a sense that she ‘did the right thing.’ Of course she was an idiot, her husband was actually completely innocent, but he got whacked, and now she and her son are alone and their future looks quite bleak. White men are pretty much out of power these days and one of the downstream effects of that is that the future is starting to look rather bleak for white women. Particularly those over 35.

    Not that anybody seems to be wising up. About 3 times per week in the last month I’ve had some baizuo at work start droning on unprompted about white privilege and black lives matter and orange man bad. I don’t know why they think I would be interested in hearing their soliloquy. At least where I’m at, all the BLM marchers are primarily white women. In academia they tended to be the smiling enforcers (but not the originators) of all the anti-white male policies.

    Yes, I know, not all women, and I know that white women voted for Trump by a slim majority. But if you compare that to the voting patterns of, for example, black women… not exactly rock ribbed allies of white men.

    That’s not to say that it’s their fault; women just tend to go along with the zeitgeist, and the zeitgeist as anti-white male right now. The types of arguments they find persuasive tend to be appeals to authority. They put a lot of stock in whether a source appears to be reputable and less on its actual content. None of these things are necessarily bad, if the zeitgeist is healthy, and the authorities are acting in good faith they are good heuristics. Unfortunately neither of those things is true now.

    Overall, taking political and economic power away from women (of all races) would be a net positive for whites, but I’ve generally found that even very pro-white women, when faced with this trade off, will choose gender over race.

    So be it! Bring forth the Asians!

    • Replies: @Anon
    @SimpleSong


    Overall, taking political and economic power away from women (of all races) would be a net positive for whites, but I’ve generally found that even very pro-white women, when faced with this trade off, will choose gender over race.

    So be it! Bring forth the Asians!
     
    Hear, hear!

    Mao offered Kissinger 10 million Chinese women

    You know, China is a very poor country," Mao is quoted as saying during the exchange. "We don’t have much. What we have in excess is women. So if you want them we can give a few ...

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/02/15/mao-offered-kissinger-10-million-chinese-women/
     
    Is it too late to accept the offer? And adjust for inflation and make it 30 million Han women?

    Replies: @throtler, @AceDeuce

    , @anon
    @SimpleSong

    At least where I’m at, all the BLM marchers are primarily white women. In academia they tended to be the smiling enforcers (but not the originators) of all the anti-white male policies.

    Likely the same women who just 4 - 5 years ago were all about "Welcome Refugees". Group think is strong in humans, but especially so in tribes. Women are a tribe.

    , @Black-hole creator
    @SimpleSong

    Thanks, I mostly agree with you.

    "Mystic River" was a good movie and "what of kind woman says those things about her husband" was indeed one of its memorable moments. But pretty much nobody thinks like that nowadays, not out loud. Times have changed.

    And thanks for the new word: Baizuo.

    , @Jake
    @SimpleSong

    It is more than women just going along with the zeitgeist. The best thing I ever read by libertarian economist and cultural historian Murray Rothbard was an article in which he concluded that in the 19th century, WASP women from New England, New York, and eastern PA led most leftwing movements, at least by agitating in print. They led the men in their circles to follow them, who then badgered the 'other' (non-WASP) whites to assimilate to the new ways and attitudes.

    The self-righteous Yankee schoolmarm really existed, and she did incalculable damage to conservative ways and identities.

  38. @ben tillman
    @Thomas

    The first time women had universal suffrage in this country, they helped elect President Harding, who signed the greatest piece of legislation Congress ever passed.

    Replies: @Tono Bungay, @Anonymous, @SimpleSong

    OK, I’ll bite. Just what legislation are you referring to?

    • Replies: @ConservaWhig
    @Tono Bungay


    OK, I’ll bite. Just what legislation are you referring to?
     
    I assume ben tillman is referring to this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act
  39. I’m confused.

    Is “Karen”

    – the overly assertive white woman who wants to see the manager
    – the overly assertive white woman who doesn’t want to see the gangbanger
    – the woman right out of the Ancient Testament who gets the Dark Handsome Schlongbringer killed with here wiles? Didn’t this lead to Emmettillization of entire tribes? Jewish women must be Superkaren and are HR personnel descended from those?

    These things are not the same. In particular removing the gangbanger from premise is the thing to do.

    And what about the slanty eye Karens? I’m sure there must be good stuff from over there, too.

    And don’t even start with Black Karens, who are legion.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @El Dato


    I'm confused.
    .
    .
    .

    And what about the slanty eye Karens? I’m sure there must be good stuff from over there, too.

    And don’t even start with Black Karens, who are legion.
     
    Yes, you are confused.
  40. A glimpse into Cady Lang’s subconscious….

  41. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman
    @Thomas

    The first time women had universal suffrage in this country, they helped elect President Harding, who signed the greatest piece of legislation Congress ever passed.

    Replies: @Tono Bungay, @Anonymous, @SimpleSong

    Which piece of legislation is that?

  42. OT – Steve, why haven’t you addressed the ICE announcement that international students won’t get visas or will have to leave the US if their colleges remain fully on-line for the upcoming academic year? I’ve been waiting for your take. It was a particularly delicious move after Harvard made the announcement early yesterday morning that it was going to remain on line for the upcoming 2020-2021 school year, thus kicking off a cascade of other colleges likely to follow suit. It not only gets rid of pesky problem of Chinese student spies but puts financial pressure on US colleges to open up. It also puts a speed bump in the path to citizenship for the students. Maybe colleges will have to take some Americans off their waitlists now. Win-win-win-win.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @AnonAnon

    Princeton is giving 10% off the tuition in return for going online.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @AnonAnon

    Not to worry about foreign students. Note the phrasing "fully on-line". Rest assured that these greedy colleges will go 99% on line with a perfunctory 1% masked face to masked face brick and mortar "class" once a month.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    , @Hhsiii
    @AnonAnon

    Cornell is going to have all in-person classes in the Fall. They think it’ll actually be easier to monitor that way.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/07/01/cornell-researchers-say-person-semester-university-safer-online-one

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @AnonAnon

    Yep, now that's a good move! However, Trump or somebody should have consulted a lawyerly or wonky type that knows how all these laws will be evaded (as a couple of your repliers noted). The language could have had some numbers in there, such as how what proportion of classwork would be in actual classrooms on the campus (by people, or at least by class).

    Still, if not 4-D chess, this is at least 1-D checkers out of this administration , and I appreciate it very much.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @AnonAnon

    The elite universities don't realize it, but they have opened a can of worms by contending that they can offer full-quality education on-line. Indeed, running an "exclusive" and expensive on-line university is directly contrary to the prime directive of "Diversity, Inclusion and Equity."

    For example, by conceding that they can provide the full benefit of their elite education product to anyone with internet access, elite universities are admitting that they are unnecessarily excluding poor and "marginalized people" from this opportunity. This is pure racist white privilege and colonialism, obviously.

    Thus, if Harvard is to further inclusion and social justice it must be required to allow anyone to participate in its on-line classes for degree credit. If it costs them a little more to grade the extra papers and tests, they can absorb it out of their $40+ billion endowment hedge fund. Or they can just over-charge the rich kids more than they already do.

    This sounds like a good BLM demand if you ask me -- automatic (on-line) admission and free tuition for blacks.

    What's Harvard going to say? "Random POC who log on will be too dumb to keep up or absorb the material." Or, "Having inferior students will hurt our brand." Good luck with that.

    Replies: @DextersLabRat

  43. @ben tillman
    @Thomas

    The first time women had universal suffrage in this country, they helped elect President Harding, who signed the greatest piece of legislation Congress ever passed.

    Replies: @Tono Bungay, @Anonymous, @SimpleSong

    True, but back then they were much more likely to be married, much more likely to have children, and much more likely to be economically dependent on their husbands.

    Female suffrage seems to create a feedback loop. Women vote for their own economic interests (as does everybody) and so right after women’s suffrage they tend to align their votes very closely with the needs of their men who support them economically. But each cycle they also vote themselves a little more safety net, a little more money for industries they dominate (like education and healthcare), a little less protection for industries they don’t dominate (manufacturing, construction) and as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society. And their voting patterns diverge, and society starts to look very very different from what it used to.

    Now the question is, are these economically independent women happier, or better off? Of course it depends on the individual case, but as a whole, I think that paradoxically the economic independence has lessened women’s happiness. This independence indirectly led to more libertine sexual mores, which I don’t think women appreciate that much, and, let’s be frank, working kinda sucks. Surveys of female happiness seem to support this although it’s difficult to put a lot of faith in that sort of data.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @SimpleSong

    True, except I would amend this line:


    as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society
     
    to

    as time goes by they are becoming less and less economically dependent directly on their husbands and more and more dependent on the government financed by the men who would have been their husbands.
     
    They are just as economically dependent as before, but the Rube Goldberg machine of big government allows them to camouflage that dependency from themselves.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Corvinus
    @SimpleSong

    "Female suffrage seems to create a feedback loop. Women vote for their own economic interests (as does everybody) and so right after women’s suffrage they tend to align their votes very closely with the needs of their men who support them economically."

    So far, so good.

    "But each cycle they also vote themselves a little more safety net, a little more money for industries they dominate (like education and healthcare), a little less protection for industries they don’t dominate (manufacturing, construction) and as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society. And their voting patterns diverge, and society starts to look very very different from what it used to."

    And this is where you fall off the ledge. BOTH genders seek out those candidates who will ensure they will get that "safety net" and "money for industries". Why? To become more economically well off, either individually or as a couple. Voting patterns have diverged historically due to political parties and ideologies changing, which results in a society looking markedly different than in decades past.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @ben tillman
    @SimpleSong

    I agree -- you make some good points.

    , @Anonymous
    @SimpleSong

    In the rapidly changing America no one will be missed more than white male, the group that gave the world plumbing, engineering, chemistry, physics, electricity, cars, airplanes, electronics, computers, modern medicine, space flight, ... in a nutshell, everything in modern civilization (except for, maybe, the traffic light).

    Who will these white women have to bitch at when the degradation of the infrastructure begins to affect their cushy life. They’ll have fun in the huge swathes of the country which get cold during the winter. Now they still take it for granted there are plenty of white guys around with testosterone who know how to use tools and who make sure the electrical grid and power and heating systems stay up and running efficiently.

    The white male is the sine qua non of civilization. Every other group just needs to show appreciation and occasionally say “thank you” to the white male for every modern technology they use, need, and desire. Not that we need any approval, after all, it’s just part of our nature to want to discover and create and make the world a better place. 👊🏻

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    , @anon
    @SimpleSong

    Surveys of female happiness seem to support this although it’s difficult to put a lot of faith in that sort of data.

    The percentage of women on SSRI or other anti-anxiety / anti-depression meds is a more reliable indicator. The medication rates also suggest that women may not be as strong 'n independent as we are all told, too.

    It's almost as though men and women are different; women are not "men with boobs", and men are not "inferior women"; as if men and women are different but complimentary. Maybe genes actually do things, and testosterone has different effects than estrogen?

    Almost, but not quite, because muh blank slate!

    , @Thea
    @SimpleSong

    Yeah it has screwed up women to pursue ideals that leave them barren, lonely and miserable. It leaves the men they interact with and any children as collateral damage.

    Women in large numbers the workforce are responsible for the wage stagnation that began in the 1970s and continues.

    It’s a net negative for families as a collective for certain.

  44. Abe says:

    Inquiring minds want to know:

    * Bill Gates, is your wife, Melinda Gates, a Karen?
    * Jeff Bezos, if your ex-wife Mackenzie- the mother of your 4 children- a Karen?
    * Tom Hanks, is Rita Wilson a Karen?
    * Tom Brady, is your wife Giselle a Karen? (I have a feeling that [email protected] Tom Brady’s first response would be to claim Giselle can’t possibly be a Karen because she’s Hispanic; ok, so only your mom is a Karen?)

    Call out these big shots, these titans of industry, these beloved movie stars, these sports heroes, and see if they will use any bit of their power to stop the hate directed against their wives, their mothers, their sisters, or whether they’ll reveal themselves to be the scum we all suspect they are, craven dirt bags without the guts to defend the honor of their own children’s mothers if it means losing a few endorsements, a little bit of their celebrity status, a little money.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @Abe

    Gisele's German Brazilian. A Heidi! She definitely controls what Brady eats. But then there are trade-offs. What he gets in return is obvious!

    , @c matt
    @Abe


    stop the hate directed against their wives, their mothers, their sisters
     
    part of me agrees - we should protect our women; but part of me asks, where were these women when the White male was being flayed by society?
  45. @RichardTaylor

    Dear white women:

    The Establishment hates you and wants terrible things to happen to you.
     
    That's a bingo. But, we've been here before. If you think this is so bad, you don't know the past. After 1865, a big portion of the adult Southern White male in their prime years was dead. Federal occupation secured the entire Southern vote for the Republicans who ruled in Washington, which insured tons of Black elected officials (given to us at the point of a gun).

    Imagine how White women would have felt in those days. Now you see why militias were formed to provide protection.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/First_Colored_Senator_and_Representatives.jpg

    Replies: @syonredux

    Sad thing is that intelligent Southerners perceived the threat that Blacks posed to Anglo-America. For example, here’s Stephen F Austin:

    “I sometimes shudder at the consequences and think that a large part of America will be Santo Domingonized in 100, or 200 years. The idea of seeing such a country as this overrun by a slave population almost makes me weep. It is in vain to tell a North American that the white population will be destroyed some fifty or eighty years hence by the negroes, and that his daughters will be violated and Butchered by them.”

    Yet they did nothing to eradicate the threat. Just imagine what the USA would look like if the Southern elite had decided to ship their slaves to Liberia back in the 1830s…..

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @syonredux


    Just imagine what the USA would look like if the Southern elite had decided to ship their slaves to Liberia back in the 1830s…..
     
    Imagine if they had seceded back in the 1840s. They couldn't have stopped us and we wouldn't have had to deal with a military that killed 700,000 White people.

    Can't you troll a bit better to justify the genocide of Whites?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @syonredux

    , @Altai
    @syonredux


    Yet they did nothing to eradicate the threat.
     
    If the South had been an independent country there might have been a violent confrontation but subsumed into a US where the major political and economic centres were largely without any black people during the eras where something like that may have happened, the issue was never broached. Instead there were periods of intense legal discrimination and policies to encourage segregation.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @syonredux

    Southerners were greedy & completely wrong. Had they seceded, they would have imported huge numbers of Africans for their worthless economy & the number of Africans in the contemporary US would have been not ca. 40 million, but almost certainly over 100 million.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @OilcanFloyd, @jsm, @Dannyboy

  46. Visuals of Karens exploiting their privilege when things don’t go their way have become Internet shorthand for a particular kind of racial violence white women have instigated for centuries

    Sad! This reminds me of a 2 am Trump tweet, except done by a gay mulatto editor after a few too many Malbecs. Half a rambling thought, no punctuation.

  47. “the Violent History of White Womanhood”

    It’s a chicken and egg issue, but corruption of language and corruption of thought go hand in hand. One of the most unnerving things about all this nonsense is the re-definition of words to have insane or ludicrous meanings, such as the idea that “violence” means things other than what is violent, viz “violence” means any thing the speaker wishes to randomly demonize.

    The sheer intellectual collapse caused by the constant thoughtless repetition and fanatic assertion of meaningless voodoo words and wizard-words is frightening to behold: phrases like “white privilege,” “white supremacy,” and “systemic racism” are meaningless nonsensical gibberish. Our entire discourse has come to consist of buzzwords, BLM’s intellectual substance could fit on a Bazooka Joe comic.

    BLM CRAZY: We must dismantle systemic racism!

    MYSELF: “Systemic racism” was called Jim Crow, and we dismantled it 60 years ago. Jim Crow is what an actual “system” supporting “racism” looks like.

    BLM NUTTER: Well, then we must dismantle structural racism!

    MYSELF: “Structural racism” was called “slavery,” and that was dismantled 160 years ago. You don’t know what a “structure” is, do you.

    BLM NUTTER: We must destroy white supremacy!

    MYSELF: So in other words, your plan is to become the slaves of the Chinese. If you supplant Whites in the power structure, you will be incapable of defending or holding this territory. The Chinese will have you back in chains about 15 minutes after what you childishly call White supremacy is abolished. You guys can’t even make a two-story building, you think you can build and fly an F-16?

    • Thanks: mark green
    • Replies: @Moses
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    BLM’s intellectual substance could fit on a Bazooka Joe comic.
     
    Brilliant.
  48. @syonredux
    @RichardTaylor

    Sad thing is that intelligent Southerners perceived the threat that Blacks posed to Anglo-America. For example, here's Stephen F Austin:


    "I sometimes shudder at the consequences and think that a large part of America will be Santo Domingonized in 100, or 200 years. The idea of seeing such a country as this overrun by a slave population almost makes me weep. It is in vain to tell a North American that the white population will be destroyed some fifty or eighty years hence by the negroes, and that his daughters will be violated and Butchered by them."
     
    Yet they did nothing to eradicate the threat. Just imagine what the USA would look like if the Southern elite had decided to ship their slaves to Liberia back in the 1830s.....

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Altai, @Bardon Kaldian

    Just imagine what the USA would look like if the Southern elite had decided to ship their slaves to Liberia back in the 1830s…..

    Imagine if they had seceded back in the 1840s. They couldn’t have stopped us and we wouldn’t have had to deal with a military that killed 700,000 White people.

    Can’t you troll a bit better to justify the genocide of Whites?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @RichardTaylor

    Can't you troll better to justify your ancestors who f***ed their livestock? The "We Southerners knew what we were doing " BS is getting tiresome.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    , @syonredux
    @RichardTaylor


    Imagine if they had seceded back in the 1840s.
     
    So, in your ideal alternate history, the South contains millions of Blacks. In contrast, in my ideal alternate history, the South has virtually no Blacks. I like my timeline better.

    They couldn’t have stopped us
     
    That's very unlikely.

    and we wouldn’t have had to deal with a military that killed 700,000 White people.
     
    Again, my scenario also avoids war, and it gets rid of millions of Blacks.

    Can’t you troll a bit better to justify the genocide of Whites?
     
    You wanna talk about advocating the destruction of the White race in Anglo-America, then look to John C "Crazy as a Bedbug" Calhoun:


    http://sites.psu.edu/interestinghistory/wp-content/uploads/sites/6816/2013/10/John-C-Calhoun.jpg


    That was a guy who actually thought that antebellum South Carolina was the perfect human society. In 1860, South Carolina had a Black majority:301,302 Whites* vs 402,406 Blacks......How sick does a White man have to be to actually think that that is the beau ideal......


    *The 301,302 figure technically refers to the number of free people in the state.Since there were free Blacks in SC (Not too many though, as free Blacks never exceeded two percent of the Black population), that means that the White population was actually lower than 301,302.....

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

  49. Anonymous[396] • Disclaimer says:

    In this context, surprisingly little has been made on this blog about the arrest and arraignment of ‘Porn Icon’, the distinctively brissed Ron Jeremy, this past month, and the obvious and barely concealed anti phallic animus motivating the prosecution of the said Mr. Jeremy – who faces a possible ’90 years’ in jail.

    Of course, Jeremy, who has had literally thousands of explicit sexual encounters recorded on film for the whole world to see (grimly) until doomsday, was charged with ‘sexual battery’. The unkind might say all that divides these charges from the run of the corpus of Jeremy’s opus is the fact that cash – and ‘agreement to enter business relations’ – apparently never changed hands.

    Of course, the elderly, unprepossessing, corpulent, and by all accounts unhygienic and unkempt Mr. Jeremy played the part of a pornographic trope in America – the repulsive ‘everyman’ who nevertheless ‘got the girl’. The implication is that the ongoing travails of Ron Jeremy are ultimately symbolic in nature, in that it is the epitome of the ultimate triumph of the Yoni – of course, supplemented by full political power – over the tired, and in this case repulsive, Lingam.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I'm really falling behind in my Porn Commentary. I built my brand around keeping you all up to date with happenings in the Porn Community, so I heartily apologize.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Sean, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Gordo
    @Anonymous

    Ronald Jeremy Hyatt

  50. @Reg Cæsar
    @wren

    "Emily" van der Werff is proof positive that blacks aren't the only ones who believe in voodoo.




    https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Todd+VanDerWerff+Alicia+Lutes+2018+Summer+IrcGpRCvEpbl.jpg


    https://pluralist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/vox.jpg

    Replies: @Pericles

    Lol, coworker of the year award. I predict murder-suicide in … five years? Quite possibly less.

  51. In my country a younger, not-as-white karen was not intimidated by an older Holy Black Man who allegedly sexually harassed her while riding the train. The presumption of innocence might be becoming unpopular wherever it is a thing.

    Not to make much of it, as it might not be very important regarding the current conflict, but it seems that when a middle-aged person goes against a younger person on social media, all things being equal (which they never are in reality, but…), the younger person often triumphs over (0wns) them, which for some reason is not really surprising.

  52. @Anonymous
    In this context, surprisingly little has been made on this blog about the arrest and arraignment of 'Porn Icon', the distinctively brissed Ron Jeremy, this past month, and the obvious and barely concealed anti phallic animus motivating the prosecution of the said Mr. Jeremy - who faces a possible '90 years' in jail.

    Of course, Jeremy, who has had literally thousands of explicit sexual encounters recorded on film for the whole world to see (grimly) until doomsday, was charged with 'sexual battery'. The unkind might say all that divides these charges from the run of the corpus of Jeremy's opus is the fact that cash - and 'agreement to enter business relations' - apparently never changed hands.

    Of course, the elderly, unprepossessing, corpulent, and by all accounts unhygienic and unkempt Mr. Jeremy played the part of a pornographic trope in America - the repulsive 'everyman' who nevertheless 'got the girl'. The implication is that the ongoing travails of Ron Jeremy are ultimately symbolic in nature, in that it is the epitome of the ultimate triumph of the Yoni - of course, supplemented by full political power - over the tired, and in this case repulsive, Lingam.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Gordo

    I’m really falling behind in my Porn Commentary. I built my brand around keeping you all up to date with happenings in the Porn Community, so I heartily apologize.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    He's 67. It's just another example of the bias against older men that has been remarked on before on this blog.

    His lawyer says women throw themselves at him. That was probably true in the 1980s.

    , @Sean
    @Steve Sailer

    Stories of Ron Jeremy assaulting girls before the filming of the scene have been circulating for many years. He was never a producer though, just a survivor from the time when most of the men appearing were Jewish.

    Funny Adult industry story with no hedgehog in it.
    https://youtu.be/DipTRbWdp5s?t=2662

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    In more ways than the average Joe Blow cares to think, Ron Jeremy, is *the* archetypal American everyman.
    How else do you think that such a repulsive specimen could have garnered enormous popularity and exposure?
    The archetype is that Jeremy - passed his prime, beer-gutted, balding, unkempt, uncouth and hideous to look at, succeeds with women. The unspoken message is that if he can, Mr. Middle American can too.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer

    “Steve, what do think of pornography?”

    “I don’t know, I don’t even own a pornograph.”

    https://youtu.be/VsAdGg-f8RA?t=9

    Replies: @ontherocks

  53. @El Dato
    I'm confused.

    Is "Karen"

    - the overly assertive white woman who wants to see the manager
    - the overly assertive white woman who doesn't want to see the gangbanger
    - the woman right out of the Ancient Testament who gets the Dark Handsome Schlongbringer killed with here wiles? Didn't this lead to Emmettillization of entire tribes? Jewish women must be Superkaren and are HR personnel descended from those?

    These things are not the same. In particular removing the gangbanger from premise is the thing to do.

    And what about the slanty eye Karens? I'm sure there must be good stuff from over there, too.

    And don't even start with Black Karens, who are legion.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    I’m confused.
    .
    .
    .

    And what about the slanty eye Karens? I’m sure there must be good stuff from over there, too.

    And don’t even start with Black Karens, who are legion.

    Yes, you are confused.

  54. @Thomas
    Poetic justice. Half the trouble America and the West faces started by giving white women the vote and catering to their frivolous desires. Let the dumb, perimenopausal cows get their heads caved in as their formerly-safe gentrified hipsterburgs turn on them.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Jesse, @Thea, @AUSA(ret), @Joseph Doaks, @ScarletNumber

    Aaand this is why the left is succeeding. Playing white people of both sexes off each other only works if the men are gleefully playing ball.

    It’s not just the Dems playing white women like fiddles. It’s white women looking at white men and seeing that the men hate them, and want to enact a system far, far worse than anything the left could imagine. The women may as well take their chances with the Woke.

    No one hates white people, as we actually are, more than white nationalists. It’s a bunch of rejects from white society, and federal agents. And that’s why you’ve spent the past few decades getting your asses handed to you.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jesse


    It’s not just the Dems playing white women like fiddles. It’s white women looking at white men and seeing that the men hate them, and want to enact a system far, far worse than anything the left could imagine. The women may as well take their chances with the Woke.
     
    Jesse, you are:
    a) Doing exactly what you are accusing Thomas of doing.
    and
    b) Saying something completely ridiculous (bold italics).

    The very nature of being alt-white, means that the white men who are most aggrieved by white women's behavior would also like to have a white women who was actually interested in being a wife and mother to their white children. (Alt-white men are not the ones with hazy notions about where babies come from.)

    And the terrible gulag for women that this alt-white men would sentence women to is ... traditional *Western* monogamous marriage, which is the only system man has devised that seems to make most--decidedly not all, perfection is no attainably upon this earth, but most--people, men and women happy. Modern feminism--SJWish, wokeism--does not have a tract record of producing happy women. (To say the least!)

    ~~

    All these white female--"how dare you point the finger at us!"--whines are ridiculous.

    There simply are way more white women who are posting, tweeting, virtue signaling and voting against the interests of white people, the white race, their nation, Western Christian civilization than there are white men. White men noticing this and calling it out are not the problem. These women--and the minority of men like them--are a problem. And you can't fix a problem unless you point it out.

    White women are not "the" problem. The problem is minoritarianism in all it's aspects. But there is a distinct "white woman" problem.
  55. @RichardTaylor
    @syonredux


    Just imagine what the USA would look like if the Southern elite had decided to ship their slaves to Liberia back in the 1830s…..
     
    Imagine if they had seceded back in the 1840s. They couldn't have stopped us and we wouldn't have had to deal with a military that killed 700,000 White people.

    Can't you troll a bit better to justify the genocide of Whites?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @syonredux

    Can’t you troll better to justify your ancestors who f***ed their livestock? The “We Southerners knew what we were doing ” BS is getting tiresome.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Redneck farmer


    Can’t you troll better to justify your ancestors who f***ed their livestock? The “We Southerners knew what we were doing ” BS is getting tiresome.
     
    What makes you so angry? So childishly insulting. The point isn't that Southerners or anyone else knew what they were doing. The point is that you appear to be defending the slaughter of White people for the sake of another race. Why would you do that?

    Southerners made a lot of mistakes, including, many would say, not seceding earlier. Why the zeal to hurt other White people?

  56. They deserve it.

    Unfortunately, I foresee a never ending wave of simps to save them from their bad decisions.

    At least the young and fertile ones.

  57. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I'm really falling behind in my Porn Commentary. I built my brand around keeping you all up to date with happenings in the Porn Community, so I heartily apologize.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Sean, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    He’s 67. It’s just another example of the bias against older men that has been remarked on before on this blog.

    His lawyer says women throw themselves at him. That was probably true in the 1980s.

  58. @Mr McKenna

    SARAH VINE: Attacking 'Karens' is just racism by another name
    THE DAILY MAIL : 17:45 EDT, 7 July 2020

    Until last week, if you had asked the BBC to nominate the most reviled species on the planet, the answer would have been obvious: middle-aged white men, of course, the necrotic heart of the evil patriarchy (so long, Andrew Neil et al).

    But not any more, it seems. For Auntie has a new enemy in her sights: Karen.

    A Karen, in case you didn’t know, is a term used on social media to denote a middle-aged woman who is unaware of her ‘white privilege’.

    Someone who has forgotten, almost certainly maliciously, to recognise that her very existence is an affront to all forward-thinking people. We learned this in a trailer this week for a BBC podcast called No Country For Young Women.

    Responding to the question ‘How can white women not be Karens?’ journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley explained that any woman who is ‘unwilling to accept that her whiteness is a privilege’ is a Karen.

    And, as such, she needs to ‘educate herself’ and should ‘read some books...'
     
    ----------------------------------------

    Mind you, Miss Vine spends the rest of her essay virtue signalling, pleading not to get cancelled because she 'gets it' about racism, really!

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful, @Altai

    Should there be a word for people who cringe at the natural extention of SJW logic against them or against certain countries with 6 letter names that aren’t Russia and want it to go back to them being on the other side?

    Breting? Weinsteining?

  59. @wren
    Slightly OT, but all Steve posts are approaching the singularity these days anyway...

    A number of intellectuals signed a letter against cancel culture (probably blm-type cancel culture, but I can't keep up).

    One of them was Matt Yglesias, who is now under a cancel threat by a trans person for signing the letter.

    https://www.twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1280603481531912192

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @Anon, @Altai, @CajunSmiff

    Jesse Signal is on there for the same reason Matt Yglesias is there.

    • Thanks: wren
    • Replies: @Moses
    @Altai

    Great tweet. SCB is the best.

  60. @Anon
    @wren

    Matt Yglesias was a co-founder of Vox. I suppose the only one who can fire him is Ezra Klein, the other co-founder. I'm not sure Yglesias is low enough to be fired, frankly, so she's just spinning her wheels. He's not going to fire himself.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @AceDeuce

    I’m not so sure about how he’s not going to fire himself. I think it was Boeing’s chief communications officer who just resigned over something he penned about women over three decades ago, before I was even born. Granted, there are differences, one of them being that Yglesias was of course aware of how the current year is when he signed that open letter (after all, the letter is about the current year, and he apparently did so the other day). But quite a few folks seem to be prone to firing themselves lately, like faulty guns, so I wouldn’t bet on him staying put.

  61. @syonredux
    @RichardTaylor

    Sad thing is that intelligent Southerners perceived the threat that Blacks posed to Anglo-America. For example, here's Stephen F Austin:


    "I sometimes shudder at the consequences and think that a large part of America will be Santo Domingonized in 100, or 200 years. The idea of seeing such a country as this overrun by a slave population almost makes me weep. It is in vain to tell a North American that the white population will be destroyed some fifty or eighty years hence by the negroes, and that his daughters will be violated and Butchered by them."
     
    Yet they did nothing to eradicate the threat. Just imagine what the USA would look like if the Southern elite had decided to ship their slaves to Liberia back in the 1830s.....

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Altai, @Bardon Kaldian

    Yet they did nothing to eradicate the threat.

    If the South had been an independent country there might have been a violent confrontation but subsumed into a US where the major political and economic centres were largely without any black people during the eras where something like that may have happened, the issue was never broached. Instead there were periods of intense legal discrimination and policies to encourage segregation.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Altai

    The whole point of syonredux's and Reg's commentary is that White people deserve genocide because of something their ancestors did in history.

    It's variations on a theme.

    Anti-Whites will say we deserve it because:

    - we attacked some country
    - we colonized some place
    - we exploited somebody
    - we imported somebody
    - we had slaves
    - we committed crimes

    In this particular variation they pretend to be race realists who insult other races, and then say "well, Black people were brought to America as slaves, and so sadly, White people have genocide coming".

  62. @Redneck farmer
    @RichardTaylor

    Can't you troll better to justify your ancestors who f***ed their livestock? The "We Southerners knew what we were doing " BS is getting tiresome.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    Can’t you troll better to justify your ancestors who f***ed their livestock? The “We Southerners knew what we were doing ” BS is getting tiresome.

    What makes you so angry? So childishly insulting. The point isn’t that Southerners or anyone else knew what they were doing. The point is that you appear to be defending the slaughter of White people for the sake of another race. Why would you do that?

    Southerners made a lot of mistakes, including, many would say, not seceding earlier. Why the zeal to hurt other White people?

  63. @Anonymous
    In this context, surprisingly little has been made on this blog about the arrest and arraignment of 'Porn Icon', the distinctively brissed Ron Jeremy, this past month, and the obvious and barely concealed anti phallic animus motivating the prosecution of the said Mr. Jeremy - who faces a possible '90 years' in jail.

    Of course, Jeremy, who has had literally thousands of explicit sexual encounters recorded on film for the whole world to see (grimly) until doomsday, was charged with 'sexual battery'. The unkind might say all that divides these charges from the run of the corpus of Jeremy's opus is the fact that cash - and 'agreement to enter business relations' - apparently never changed hands.

    Of course, the elderly, unprepossessing, corpulent, and by all accounts unhygienic and unkempt Mr. Jeremy played the part of a pornographic trope in America - the repulsive 'everyman' who nevertheless 'got the girl'. The implication is that the ongoing travails of Ron Jeremy are ultimately symbolic in nature, in that it is the epitome of the ultimate triumph of the Yoni - of course, supplemented by full political power - over the tired, and in this case repulsive, Lingam.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Gordo

    Ronald Jeremy Hyatt

  64. @Colin Wright
    @Anonymous

    'Do they still publish cross-racial rape victim-perpetrator stats?

    I remember when the numbers were shocking, like 35,000 black-on-white rapes and no (or statistically so) in the opposite direction.

    The videos of white women being assaulted by blacks have upset me of late. I just feel like it’s universal deceit in media.'

    Looked at in that way, the whole 'Karen' thing starts to look different.

    Is the underlying intent simply to silence the actual victims?

    After all, at least a large proportion of white men can see off all but the most ferocious attempts at racial intimidation and violence. How many white women can?

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    “After all, at least a large proportion of white men can see off all but the most ferocious attempts at racial intimidation and violence. How many white women can?”

    Does “see off” mean “recognize,” or “are blind to”?

    • Replies: @Random Passer By
    @Nicholas Stix

    >Does “see off” mean “recognize,” or “are blind to”?

    To defend from an attacker.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  65. @Nicholas Stix
    @Colin Wright

    "After all, at least a large proportion of white men can see off all but the most ferocious attempts at racial intimidation and violence. How many white women can?"

    Does "see off" mean "recognize," or "are blind to"?

    Replies: @Random Passer By

    >Does “see off” mean “recognize,” or “are blind to”?

    To defend from an attacker.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Random Passer By

    '>Does “see off” mean “recognize,” or “are blind to”?

    To defend from an attacker.'

    Exactly. As an obviously no-longer-young-but decidedly-not-decrepit white male of good size and in reasonable shape, I don't exactly seek out physical confrontations with blacks, but if one approaches me in a menacing fashion, I can be reasonably discouraging.

    I don't think most women can say the same. In fact, your basic black thug has probably assured himself repeatedly that while he can't be sure how fights with other men will turn out, he's hell on beating up women.

  66. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    Getting Karens to shut the hell up would be the only good thing BLM could accomplish.

    I have only–ONLY–ever been harrassed in public for no reason by middle aged white women. they are absolutely insanely drunk with power and oblivious to any consequences for acting like dictators of grocery store parking lots or whatever. Its honestly stunning and they need to start acting like real human beings. At least in public–i dont care what kind of abuse they dish out to their pathetic husbands in their own homes.

    Karens are also, obviously, outright terrorists in the workplace.

    Fuck them.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous


    I have only–ONLY–ever been harrassed in public for no reason by middle aged white women.
     
    Agree that many of them consider themselves untouchable but if they're the only ones who've ever harassed you all I can say is that we've lived in very, very different cities.
    , @Up2Drew
    @Anonymous

    Women routinely shoot off their mouths in public because they have enjoyed the security (historically) of not being smacked in response. I have always considered this exploitative of their societal status. Cowardly, even.

    When a guy calls another guy out in public there is a nonzero chance he may get hit.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Joseph Doaks

    , @throtler
    @Anonymous

    I have run into 3 Karens in my life that I recall. 2 of them were men.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Anonymous

    Based on your juvenile language and attitude, you probably deserved the harassing.

    Any white man who too quickly resorts to the "Karen" meme (which is becoming vile shorthand for c*** at this rate) probably had issues with his Mom.

  67. Dictionary update:

    https://www.calfac.org/sites/main/files/cfa_arsj_demands_in_wake_of_anti-black_racism_violence_and_murder_final.pdf

    CFA realizes that Black faculty who serve as mentors and role models for Black students are supplementing the work of counselors by providing emotional and psychological support needed to not only succeed in higher education but do so under the canopy of systematic racism. Black faculty are asked to speak for all Blackness on the campuses in committee meetings, as advisors for student groups, as well as in their classrooms. This increased ask [?] or service placed on Black faculty is coined by Amado Padilla as Cultural Taxation. It is the “unique burden placed on ethnic minority faculty in carrying out their responsibility to service within the university.”

    Cultural Taxation in action:

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    @El Dato


    Black faculty are asked to speak for all Blackness on the campuses in committee meetings ...
     
    Sounds like something a demon would say, like in The Exorcist or something: “I speak for all blackness ...”
  68. @Altai
    @syonredux


    Yet they did nothing to eradicate the threat.
     
    If the South had been an independent country there might have been a violent confrontation but subsumed into a US where the major political and economic centres were largely without any black people during the eras where something like that may have happened, the issue was never broached. Instead there were periods of intense legal discrimination and policies to encourage segregation.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    The whole point of syonredux’s and Reg’s commentary is that White people deserve genocide because of something their ancestors did in history.

    It’s variations on a theme.

    Anti-Whites will say we deserve it because:

    – we attacked some country
    – we colonized some place
    – we exploited somebody
    – we imported somebody
    – we had slaves
    – we committed crimes

    In this particular variation they pretend to be race realists who insult other races, and then say “well, Black people were brought to America as slaves, and so sadly, White people have genocide coming”.

  69. Sean says:

    Carolyn Bryant did not tell on Emmett Till and in fact swore the other white woman in the store (who had been in a a back room) to secrecy. Whatever happened it was enough for her to go and get a gun and a black witness to tell the boys ‘you have a crazy cousin’. It was local blacks in the town who told Bryant’s husband who was away for a few days driving a truck, about the incident. Till was widely disliked for his boasting.

  70. • Replies: @bruce county
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I never got the whole K.D. Lang thing..
    Back in the MuchMusic days all I could think of was Erica Ehm.

  71. So, I guess that makes Helen of Troy an Ur-Karen. Cleopatra too.

  72. @Gyre07
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre

    Great for you, good job! But that has nothing to do with the article. Wait, don't tell me that UC Davis failed to require any English or logic classes before you got your BS from them too!

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    You, Sir, missed the nuanced point: He married a Karen, so they can’t be all evil.

  73. @syonredux
    @RichardTaylor

    Sad thing is that intelligent Southerners perceived the threat that Blacks posed to Anglo-America. For example, here's Stephen F Austin:


    "I sometimes shudder at the consequences and think that a large part of America will be Santo Domingonized in 100, or 200 years. The idea of seeing such a country as this overrun by a slave population almost makes me weep. It is in vain to tell a North American that the white population will be destroyed some fifty or eighty years hence by the negroes, and that his daughters will be violated and Butchered by them."
     
    Yet they did nothing to eradicate the threat. Just imagine what the USA would look like if the Southern elite had decided to ship their slaves to Liberia back in the 1830s.....

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Altai, @Bardon Kaldian

    Southerners were greedy & completely wrong. Had they seceded, they would have imported huge numbers of Africans for their worthless economy & the number of Africans in the contemporary US would have been not ca. 40 million, but almost certainly over 100 million.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You do realize Southerners didn't import the Africans, right?

    And if what you're saying is right, and other Old Yankee stock were concerned about too many Africans, then the proper action would have been to let the South go.

    But of course, that wasn't the issue.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @kikz, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Southerners were greedy & completely wrong....
     
    That's an ignorant post. I'm a white southerner whose known ancestors were non-slave holding, small farmers from the 1950s back into colonial times, and I get that the elites in the South were a problem. But they weren't the only problem. They weren't the slave traders, and they didn't run an industrial economy based on cheap raw materials produced by slaves, and later sharecroppers and tenants.

    The average white southerner always paid a greater price for the cheap labor economy that used blacks, and now latinos, than his northern counterpart did.
    , @jsm
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Now, what? Had the Southerners seceded (and not been forced back) and imported huge numbers of Africans, there most certainly would NOT be 100 million in the contemporary US, because the South would not be *part* of contemporary US.

    Pretty much, invading the South, forcing the South back into the Union, and then letting all the slaves go (very like opening the door of a lion's cage) was just about the dumbest thing the Northerners could have possibly done.

    The responsibility for the mess today rests square on the North, Bardon.

    , @Dannyboy
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You boys who revel in your "virtuous" Yankee mythology are amusing to say the least.

    The cognitive dissonance on display as you attempt to defend men like Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Hancock etc... while simultaneously damning men like Robert E Lee, Jefferson Davis and Nathan Bedford Forrest is truly a spectacle to behold.


    When the minutemen marched off to face the redcoats at Lexington in 1775, the wives, boys and old men they left behind in Framingham took up axes, clubs, and pitchforks and barred themselves in their homes because of a widespread, and widely credited, rumor that the local slaves planned to rise up and massacre the white inhabitants while the militia was away.

     


    The first official legal recognition of chattel slavery as a legal institution in British North America was in Massachusetts, in 1641, with the "Body of Liberties." Slavery was legalized in New Plymouth and Connecticut when it was incorporated into the Articles of the New England Confederation (1643). Rhode Island enacted a similar law in 1652. That means New England had formal, legal slavery a full generation before it was established in the South.

     


    New England also was the center of the slave trade in the colonies, supplying captive Africans to the South and the Caribbean islands.
     
    http://slavenorth.com/slavenorth.htm

    So not only did Yankees BEGIN the slave trade to America, legalize it, and profit from it immensely, they continued the importation of slaves to the South even after their individual states outlawed it. In fact, they did so nearly right up to the eve of the war which they started, that resulted in the death of nearly 700,000 of their own countrymen.

    You folks are a trip.

    Replies: @Trinity

  74. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I'm really falling behind in my Porn Commentary. I built my brand around keeping you all up to date with happenings in the Porn Community, so I heartily apologize.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Sean, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Stories of Ron Jeremy assaulting girls before the filming of the scene have been circulating for many years. He was never a producer though, just a survivor from the time when most of the men appearing were Jewish.

    Funny Adult industry story with no hedgehog in it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Sean

    'Producer'.

    Yet, distinctly unfecund from a multiplicity of encounters.
    Another symptom of our times.

  75. Ironically, Carolyn Bryant didn’t tell her husband or police about when the feral beast Till sexually assaulted her.

    Her husband was out of town for work for a few days when it happened. She wasn’t going to say anything when he got back. She was afraid to tell him because of what he might do to any man who assaulted her like that. Mr Bryant had served as a hand to hand combat instructor in the service during WW2, and his half brother, Mr. Milam, was so big that that was his nickname: “Big” Milam.

    That c olored boy had picked the wrong woman to try and mess with.

    Anyway a local adult male negro, who was in the store when it happened and witnessed Till’s monkeyshines, told Mr. Bryant when he got back.

    As far as court, she testified in private, and the judge ruled it inadmissible, so the jury never heard it.

    The judge did that because the media, from all over, was down there, and he (rightly) figured the jury was already going to find the two white men not guilty–this would have made the deliberation time about 30 seconds-plus, if made public, the white folks in Mississippi might have went buck wild on neegros, and of course, the sordid details were embarrassing to Mrs. Bryant, so the less said the better. They already had a sympathetic jury, why give the media any more propaganda.

    She told the truth when she testified, and she didn’t recant it, either.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @AceDeuce

    The “Vinnie would kill him” line from the hostess party Karen attends in “Goodfellas” is a great illustration of how women can use reticence to protect clueless people who transgress:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u2L_0bDK6tY

  76. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    How the ‘Karen Meme’ Confronts the Violent History of White Womanhood
     
    Whereas the history of Chinese Womanhood isn't violent at all *cough* Wu Zeitan *cough* Madame Mao *cough*.

    Carrying on the awards-show theme, when will white women arrive at that inverse Sally Fields realization about a lot of POC: "You hate me. You really hate me."

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SunBakedSuburb, @flyingtiger

    Although likely Chinese, Cady Lang is obviously of non-Han ethnicity, probably descended from “minority” populations in Southern China or South-East Asia. Her surname supports this assumption.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Anonymous

    You've gotta stop vaping the leaded gasoline. Lang is an ancient Han Chinese surname originating from from what is now Shandong province, in northeast China.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  77. Back when I was a kid, my non-white girlfriends would use their friendship with me as ‘social proof’ to date white men.

    The best story was when an Asian girlfriend showed my photo at a Frat Party I wasn’t present at and asked all the guys ‘Do you think she’s pretty? She’s my best friend!’ And yes, it was at that frat party that she met her future white husband.

    Don’t worry, when I realized what my true purpose as ‘friend’ was I quickly cut ties with them all.

    Now that the non-white women have the majority, it’s all out war…the mask put on so carefully for so many years…is finally off!

    I do hope the current political climate is making a lot of white men and women in interracial relationships rethink their choices.

    If you don’t have kids, it’s not too late to start over!!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Thoughts


    The best story was when an Asian girlfriend showed my photo at a Frat Party I wasn’t present at and asked all the guys ‘Do you think she’s pretty? She’s my best friend!’
     
    I've never heard of men being attracted to a woman because she had attractive friends. Apparently the opposite is true. Having uglier friends makes one look better:

    " 'Ugly friend effect' proved: attractiveness boosted by appearing next to those less good-looking "

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/09/29/ugly-friend-effect-proved-attractiveness-boosted-by-appearing-ne/

    It has been called the “ugly friend effect” – the propensity for someone to appear more attractive than they otherwise would when in the company of people less blessed by good looks.

    Until now this might have been dismissed as an old wives’ tale, but new research appears to have confirmed the phenomenon is a scientific fact.

    A study in the journal Psychological Science has shown that a person will rank higher on a scale of attractiveness when compared alongside less attractive people than when judged in isolation.
     
  78. @AnonAnon
    OT - Steve, why haven’t you addressed the ICE announcement that international students won’t get visas or will have to leave the US if their colleges remain fully on-line for the upcoming academic year? I’ve been waiting for your take. It was a particularly delicious move after Harvard made the announcement early yesterday morning that it was going to remain on line for the upcoming 2020-2021 school year, thus kicking off a cascade of other colleges likely to follow suit. It not only gets rid of pesky problem of Chinese student spies but puts financial pressure on US colleges to open up. It also puts a speed bump in the path to citizenship for the students. Maybe colleges will have to take some Americans off their waitlists now. Win-win-win-win.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hhsiii, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666

    Princeton is giving 10% off the tuition in return for going online.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Twinkie

    Princeton is a more plausible fit for all-online, since the student body skews heavily towards spergs and bookish types; that campus is an utter snooze. Whereas online will be a disaster for Harvard, since they select for charismatic weirdos and aggressive, energetic lunatics. If you're not personally in the padded room with these people, then you're not really at Harvard.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Twinkie


    Princeton is giving 10% off the tuition in return for going online.
     
    10%? Students should hold out for a lot more - like at least 70%. What's the point of even "attending" an Ivy League University if the experience is akin to playing a multi-player online game. That's like Carnival Cruises offering a 10% discount for "virtual cruises". Might as well attend DeVry Institute.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  79. @AKAHorace

    I suspect white women are pretty clueless about this kind of racist anti-white women backstabbing by women of other races who want to take their men.
     
    I don't think that this is the case, the anti white women just hate all white people, male or female.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Nonwhite women-black, “Latino”, and Asian-hate white women FAR more than nonwhite men hate white men. The nonwhite males do hate white men, of course, but nowhere as much.

    Nonwhite men also hate white woman with a passion. Blacks go after the white girls to use them. They are far more compliant and gullible than their own she-beasts.

    Boogie males use white women like Indian used the bison, for several essential needs: Sperm receptacle, two legged ATM, chauffeur, housekeeper, status symbol, a thumb in Mr. YT’s eye, and a chance to deny white babies being born in favor of a half groid baby.

    But bottom line is nonwhites of both sexes hate white women far more than they hate white men. White women are mostly clueless about this.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @AceDeuce


    White women are mostly clueless about this.
     
    I'm not sure they care.
    , @AKAHorace
    @AceDeuce


    But bottom line is nonwhites of both sexes hate white women far more than they hate white men. White women are mostly clueless about this
     
    Well then I am clueless about this as well. Are you talking from personal experience ? Why do you believe this ?
  80. @wren
    Slightly OT, but all Steve posts are approaching the singularity these days anyway...

    A number of intellectuals signed a letter against cancel culture (probably blm-type cancel culture, but I can't keep up).

    One of them was Matt Yglesias, who is now under a cancel threat by a trans person for signing the letter.

    https://www.twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1280603481531912192

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon, @Anon, @Altai, @CajunSmiff

    Will the shock professed from Singals and Yglesiases as the revolution turns on them be real or feigned? Is it that it would never happen or that they were supposed to enjoy another 10 years minimum of social largesse and the opportunity to secure a bigger life boat and confirmation of a welcoming port?

    Watching all this happen at breakneck speed may be the only satisfaction quietly afforded to those of us who “told you so.”

    • Agree: wren
  81. Ed says:

    Of course the irony in all of this is none of it could happen without white women. They are easily the driving force in our current madness.

    If Biden was merely 2 points ahead instead of 12 in the polls the tone in media coverage, which is the fuel for this nonsense, would change. However since white women continue to move towards Biden will things will continue until November.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Ed


    Of course the irony in all of this is none of it could happen without white women. They are easily the driving force in our current madness.
     
    A lot of the madness was nurtured and propagated by public education which is overwhelmingly run by white women.

    Which reminds me...

    https://news.yahoo.com/mary-kay-letourneau-teacher-jailed-035831250.html

    Mary Kay Letourneau, teacher jailed for raping student, dies at 58

    July 7, 2020

    SEATTLE (AP) — Mary Kay Letourneau, a teacher who married her former sixth-grade student after she was convicted of raping him in a case that drew international headlines, has died. She was 58.

    Her lawyer David Gehrke told multiple news outlets Letourneau died Tuesday of cancer. He did not immediately return an email from The Associated Press.

    Letourneau was a married mother of four in 1996 when she taught 12-year-old Vili Fualaau in her class at Shorewood Elementary in Burien, a south Seattle suburb...

     

    Replies: @duncsbaby

  82. @Anon
    @wren

    Matt Yglesias was a co-founder of Vox. I suppose the only one who can fire him is Ezra Klein, the other co-founder. I'm not sure Yglesias is low enough to be fired, frankly, so she's just spinning her wheels. He's not going to fire himself.

    Replies: @gabriel alberton, @AceDeuce

    Oy Gevalt!

    “Emily” used to be, until a year of two ago, a guy named Todd. He/she/it was a TV critic at the AV Club.

  83. @Whiskey
    Oh Yglesias is toast. He's done. Tranny beats pretty much everything in Pokemon diversity points.

    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.

    What they want are black men. Look at DeSean Jackson. He quotes some junk by "Hitler" through Farrakhan and he suffers ... nothing. No suspension. No fines. No groveling. No apologies.

    White women accurately feel that they are significantly hotter than sistahs. That's not hard, the average black woman is morbidly obese with huuuugggggeeeeee behinds. Lizzo is actually slender for black women.

    However they underestimate how much a threat they are to black women and how much they are resented. There are only seven (only 7 !!!!) black men with college degrees not in prison or with significant prison time served. George Floyd is not only a role model he's typical of most black men. The few educated black men who have managed not to keep it real and make a good living are highly sought after. And sistahs like White women poaching their men as much as Asian men enjoy White dudes with Asian girls.

    The clueless oblivion will never ever change for White women. Even as President Abrams has her army of Quaneeshas clubbing them over the head like baby seals for their ... hair. "We need our weaves. I don't wear it personally. But we need it." Its a lifetime of habit. White women have spent their entire lives from being adorable and thus spoiled little girls to hot chicks and thus spoiled beyond belief just feeling not thinking. A few women can think, and most could if they had a lifetime habit of thinking. But soft easy living and the spoiling of White women has led to a lifetime of actively not thinking. Just feelz.

    White women will reflexively side with black men even as they get clubbed over the head. They are the dominant ones and so the lady tingles uber alles, so to speak.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman

    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.

    Seething white female detected. White men are the champions, white women a genetic dead end:

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @JohnPlywood

    Whiskey and anti-Whiskey. Bizarre.

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @JohnPlywood

    Well, we know of at least one black woman who prefers white guys:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar#Personal_life

    , @throtler
    @JohnPlywood

    Idiot detected.

    , @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood

    Those graphs suffer from a double selection bias, i.e. the data for them comes from selected online dating sites, and they also don’t reflect the highly segmented nature of the pairing market (e.g. white pairings with Asians - both make and female - are upscale and white pairings with blacks and Hispanics are downscale).

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @JohnPlywood

    What this proves is white, Latino, and Asian women are extremely attracted to me.

    , @Bert
    @JohnPlywood

    Asian women are more ethnically diverse than any of the other categories dealt with in the graph, and this shows in their mating behavior. Han Chinese women are entitled and sexually timid. Koreans not so much. Burmese are mighty fine. Probably reflects a selection gradient related to the degree of societal control over the last few thousand years.

  84. Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again. I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range. Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    • Replies: @Not my Economy
    @Kyle

    >Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    It’ll still get you an online only tier 1 banking job so yes.

    They’re taking off the mask and flexing. It’s pure credentialism and what are you gonna do about it?

    I think more colleges will follow suit on online only, because they can wind down spending on facilities and direct even more money to administrator compensation. Get rid of all those decent paying often union white guy jobs that enable the existence of townies. College towns become playgrounds for the telecommuting professors/admins, with nobody else.

    The only institutional reason against online-only is professors expect to have sex with their students and that would be harder to do remotely.

    Replies: @SimpleSong

    , @P. Berg
    @Kyle


    Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again.
     
    Oh no, all the humanity! What, pray tell, will all the crackpots who stand around Harvard Square espousing their crackpot theories do now??


    https://s3.amazonaws.com/thumbnails.thecrimson.com/photos/2016/01/31/204041_1312121.jpg.2000x1333_q95_crop-smart_upscale.jpg

     

    , @peterike
    @Kyle


    Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again. I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range.
     
    The risks are statistically nil.

    Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

     

    Actually, this is a good thing. Without the peer pressure of your woke friends and everyone around you pushing you on to further extremes of wokeness, the brain washing will not be quite as effective. This is especially true for females, Asians, and Asian females who are all notoriously shrill as SJWs and 100% group influenced.
    , @anon
    @Kyle

    Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    In some sense, yes. But in the vital forming-networks sense, not so much. A small minority of Harvard students will still form such networks, but many won't. Could be in a few years we'll see a little mob of Hapa grads on the Sarah Jeong model bitterly denouncing Harvard for "failure to properly educate".

    It's nothing new. 100+ years ago the Harvard education was a combo of reading classic books, discussing those classic books under the benign gaze of a senior professor, and of course networking, networking, networking. The standard small LibArts college that tries to be a mini-Harvard hasn't the resources including the students and faculty to really duplicate that. So what's the network from Flyover Formerly Church U worth, really?

    In the larger picture this years's Coof pandemic has revealed that the college emperors got no clothes. Expect some colleges to fail by 2022, if not sooner. Won't be headlines outside of industry media and local news, but it'll happen.

    Online even with video courtesy of Zoom or something similar isn't the same as face to face, so far as many courses of study are concerned. It's more like what used to be called a "correspondence course" than "college".

    Online "college" isn't gonna revive the MRS degree, either.

    , @Obee
    @Kyle

    Not if you’re a member of Porcellian or Fly, for sure.

    , @Jack D
    @Kyle


    I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range.
     
    Very very low. In my county of 800,000 people, out of 800 Covid-attributed deaths, 0 have been of people under 30 , 0 white people under 40 and 3 white people under 50. Not only are the risks small for the 18-25 range they are small for the entire 0-50 range. The group that has suffered the most deaths is the 80-89 group followed by the over 90 group.

    Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?
     
    Short answer is no. There have been online Harvard courses available on the internet for years - the market price of such courses is zero. A supervised, graded online course that gets you a diploma at the end is worth somewhat more but nowhere close to $50,000/yr, which amounts to $5 or $6 thousand dollars/course. The campus experience is about much more than the 10% of your time that is spent in a classroom. Even if an online course was equivalent to an in-person course (it isn't) you deserve a 90% discount for the other 90% of your time when you won't be partaking in the Harvard experience.

    Those who foresee this as the end of college are wrong. With or without a vaccine, people are not going to be willing to stop their lives forever. The lockdowns can be sustained for a few months, maybe a year but beyond that people will say that they would rather risk death (a small risk - see above) than spend the rest of their life locked up. Whichever (prestigious) college offers the full campus experience will have the advantage over those who refuse and the others will all cave and follow the leader. After the election, Covid will disappear as a political issue as will the need to destroy the economy in order to prevent Trump's reelection.

    Replies: @anon, @peterike

    , @epebble
    @Kyle

    The professors are in the higher age group and hence more vulnerable. It is not just Harvard, Many/most colleges are going Hybrid (part online, part onsite) to reduce density. Same with schools too. If that succeeds, that may become the norm. Once people get used to getting things without moving, they usually like it. Like how Amazon destroyed physical retail.

  85. @Anonymous
    Getting Karens to shut the hell up would be the only good thing BLM could accomplish.

    I have only--ONLY--ever been harrassed in public for no reason by middle aged white women. they are absolutely insanely drunk with power and oblivious to any consequences for acting like dictators of grocery store parking lots or whatever. Its honestly stunning and they need to start acting like real human beings. At least in public--i dont care what kind of abuse they dish out to their pathetic husbands in their own homes.

    Karens are also, obviously, outright terrorists in the workplace.

    Fuck them.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Up2Drew, @throtler, @S. Anonyia

    I have only–ONLY–ever been harrassed in public for no reason by middle aged white women.

    Agree that many of them consider themselves untouchable but if they’re the only ones who’ve ever harassed you all I can say is that we’ve lived in very, very different cities.

  86. @AnonAnon
    OT - Steve, why haven’t you addressed the ICE announcement that international students won’t get visas or will have to leave the US if their colleges remain fully on-line for the upcoming academic year? I’ve been waiting for your take. It was a particularly delicious move after Harvard made the announcement early yesterday morning that it was going to remain on line for the upcoming 2020-2021 school year, thus kicking off a cascade of other colleges likely to follow suit. It not only gets rid of pesky problem of Chinese student spies but puts financial pressure on US colleges to open up. It also puts a speed bump in the path to citizenship for the students. Maybe colleges will have to take some Americans off their waitlists now. Win-win-win-win.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hhsiii, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666

    Not to worry about foreign students. Note the phrasing “fully on-line”. Rest assured that these greedy colleges will go 99% on line with a perfunctory 1% masked face to masked face brick and mortar “class” once a month.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Theres way too much money to be lost by getting rid of all those wealthy foreign students.

    The universities will spend some of that sweet fat endowment cash and shower it on politicians of both parties to keep their cash cows here.

    Personally i think we should be wide open for foreigners with millions in capital who want to spend it here....

    Why don't we keep those types and deport our trouble makerz, felons etc....

  87. The Karen’s are just as much a bane to white men. If they are not calling the cops and making exaggerated claims about black men, they are making false domestic violence claims on white men.
    All those raging pussy hatters out there mainly white women, average age in the late 40s. I’m glad someone recognizes this scourge.

    • Agree: Johnny Smoggins
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Doktor Jeep

    Exactly: White women are a bigger pain in the ass to White men than to any other group. Hopefully having their POC and trannie allies and Time magazine turn on them will finally give them pause.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Doktor Jeep

    Buddy, the pussy-hat gang was a story 4 years ago. They were just mad/shocked uber-Boomer Hilary didn't win. They fizzled out, and while annoying, did not destroy property or tear down monuments.

    The current BLM rioters are 16-25 year old white girls in crop tops, some "non binary" with rainbow hair, along with light-skinned black academic hucksters leading chants, assorted trans, and dangerous white bad-boy Antifa arsonists age 18-30.

    There are hardly any white women over 30 at these protests. Much less any who'd be brave enough to ask to speak to a manager about poor service or disrespectful behavior. These Gen Z and younger millennial girls just repeat slogans the loud males and blacks scream over their megaphone. They are being used as foot soldiers for lunatics and it is pretty pathetic.

    The current crop of rioters have destroyed large sections of several major cities, blocked off roads like paramilitary organizations, and THEY are calling people like JK Rowling "Karen" now.

  88. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Mr McKenna


    Responding to the question ‘How can white women not be Karens?’ journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley explained that any woman who is ‘unwilling to accept that her whiteness is a privilege’ is a Karen
     
    Admit you're a racist who needs to be punished, or else you're a racist who needs to be punished.

    Replies: @Amerimutt Golems, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @DextersLabRat, @ben tillman

    Admit you’re a racist who needs to be punished, or else you’re a racist who needs to be punished.

    Amelia Dimoldenberg and Charlotte Riley are just projecting their privileged Jewish backgrounds. They don’t speak for ordinary goyim but that doesn’t matter to non-whites.

    The latter is an unhinged activist rather than a serious historian just like co-ethnic Miranda Kaufmann who wrote the book Black Tudors to support the multiculturalism and nation of immigrants narrative.

    https://www.southampton.ac.uk/history/about/staff/clr1y14.page

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Amerimutt Golems

    Dr Charlotte Lydia Riley isn't Jewish. Does that falsify your comment?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  89. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I'm really falling behind in my Porn Commentary. I built my brand around keeping you all up to date with happenings in the Porn Community, so I heartily apologize.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Sean, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Steve,

    In more ways than the average Joe Blow cares to think, Ron Jeremy, is *the* archetypal American everyman.
    How else do you think that such a repulsive specimen could have garnered enormous popularity and exposure?
    The archetype is that Jeremy – passed his prime, beer-gutted, balding, unkempt, uncouth and hideous to look at, succeeds with women. The unspoken message is that if he can, Mr. Middle American can too.

    • Agree: botazefa
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Well, I must confess that I've fallen behind on my pledge to report every heartbeat of the Porn Community. I apologize to all my readers to who came to rely on me for my obsessive interest in pornongraphy.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    The archetype is that Jeremy – passed his prime, beer-gutted, balding, unkempt, uncouth and hideous to look at, succeeds with women. The unspoken message is that if he can, Mr. Middle American can too.
     

    According to his son Mike, this is what Bill Veeck told Harry Caray when the latter at first demurred at singing "Take Me Out to the Ball Game". Every schmo in the park would think he sang better.


    Saints owner Mike Veeck on his father, racial justice and the popularity of Bill Murray

  90. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    @Steve Sailer

    Stories of Ron Jeremy assaulting girls before the filming of the scene have been circulating for many years. He was never a producer though, just a survivor from the time when most of the men appearing were Jewish.

    Funny Adult industry story with no hedgehog in it.
    https://youtu.be/DipTRbWdp5s?t=2662

    Replies: @Anonymous

    ‘Producer’.

    Yet, distinctly unfecund from a multiplicity of encounters.
    Another symptom of our times.

  91. Anonymous[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    Oh Yglesias is toast. He's done. Tranny beats pretty much everything in Pokemon diversity points.

    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.

    What they want are black men. Look at DeSean Jackson. He quotes some junk by "Hitler" through Farrakhan and he suffers ... nothing. No suspension. No fines. No groveling. No apologies.

    White women accurately feel that they are significantly hotter than sistahs. That's not hard, the average black woman is morbidly obese with huuuugggggeeeeee behinds. Lizzo is actually slender for black women.

    However they underestimate how much a threat they are to black women and how much they are resented. There are only seven (only 7 !!!!) black men with college degrees not in prison or with significant prison time served. George Floyd is not only a role model he's typical of most black men. The few educated black men who have managed not to keep it real and make a good living are highly sought after. And sistahs like White women poaching their men as much as Asian men enjoy White dudes with Asian girls.

    The clueless oblivion will never ever change for White women. Even as President Abrams has her army of Quaneeshas clubbing them over the head like baby seals for their ... hair. "We need our weaves. I don't wear it personally. But we need it." Its a lifetime of habit. White women have spent their entire lives from being adorable and thus spoiled little girls to hot chicks and thus spoiled beyond belief just feeling not thinking. A few women can think, and most could if they had a lifetime habit of thinking. But soft easy living and the spoiling of White women has led to a lifetime of actively not thinking. Just feelz.

    White women will reflexively side with black men even as they get clubbed over the head. They are the dominant ones and so the lady tingles uber alles, so to speak.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman

    White women have spent their entire lives from being adorable and thus spoiled little girls to hot chicks and thus spoiled beyond belief just feeling not thinking.

    How much experience do you have with white women? How many romantic relationships have you had with them?

    Incel says what?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Anonymous

    Quite a lot. I would say there is a huge generational shift in White women around the late 1990s. I don’t know what it is. But there is a huge difference. Look at BLM rallies. Nearly all White women.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Neoconned

  92. @Anonymous
    @Mr. Anon

    Although likely Chinese, Cady Lang is obviously of non-Han ethnicity, probably descended from "minority" populations in Southern China or South-East Asia. Her surname supports this assumption.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    You’ve gotta stop vaping the leaded gasoline. Lang is an ancient Han Chinese surname originating from from what is now Shandong province, in northeast China.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnPlywood

    Dude, look at the picture. The gal is a non-Han ethnic which no doubt adds to her resentment.


    Lang is an ancient Han Chinese surname
     
    Adopting obscure Chinese surnames is precisely what non-Han ethnics in China have been doing since roughly forever. Look up Ling Jihua whose well-laid plans (sorry) went spectacularly awry.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  93. @Bardon Kaldian
    @syonredux

    Southerners were greedy & completely wrong. Had they seceded, they would have imported huge numbers of Africans for their worthless economy & the number of Africans in the contemporary US would have been not ca. 40 million, but almost certainly over 100 million.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @OilcanFloyd, @jsm, @Dannyboy

    You do realize Southerners didn’t import the Africans, right?

    And if what you’re saying is right, and other Old Yankee stock were concerned about too many Africans, then the proper action would have been to let the South go.

    But of course, that wasn’t the issue.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, kikz
    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @RichardTaylor

    Yes they did - until 1808 and even illegally, thereafter.

    And after the war, no less a Confederate than Nathan Bedford Forrest proposed importing Africans to the South, because they were the "only laboring class we've ever had."

    Look it right up in the bio by Jack Hurst. It's obviously towards the end, because it happened after the war. Use the phrase "laboring class" in the Kindle "look inside feature."

    As for shipping 'em back in the 1830s, that wasn't going to happen because it was around that time that cotton became "King Cotton" and the price of slaves accordingly began to shoot through the roof.

    If you were a strapped farmer in Virginia, suddenly your wealth became those prime age hands, who could get you out of debt quickly. As for the rest, figure it out yourselves.

    There was never a crazier, more self-defeating situation than slavery in the US. We are saddled with its consequences.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @RichardTaylor

    , @kikz
    @RichardTaylor

    that has to be the silliest thing i've ever seen Bardon pen...

    someone should clue ole Bardon in..... as to:

    slavery and the slave industry in the North (which existed for many years before the establishment of the Southern Plantation Culture) and its fortunes generated. the slave trade literally built Newport, RI; but the docents of those mansions don't mention that on the tours, you can bet..... http://slavenorth.com/

    how the majority of that 'worthless' raw King cotton ended up in northern textile mills, enriching all those morally superior yankees, who worked those tiny White children in their factories.

    ....apparently Bardon also has no understanding of the law of 1807, effective '08 which made their importation illegal, nor the economics of animal husbandry.........in that it was cheaper to 'grow your own' than import them, even before the ban..... LOL!

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @RichardTaylor

    This has nothing to do with morality or abolitionism or ....

    1. South economy was a monocultural economy without any future. Then, it seemed to be of huge importance, but this all "cotton was the king" was one of those history-economy's huge jokes. South did not have real cities, modernity, invention, electricity, manufacture,...nothing. A feudal dump with nighurs, like Brazil. The entire deep South society was a feudal morass.

    2. it is popular to argue about states' rights etc. etc.- but the Civil war was solely & exclusively about slavery & nighurs. In fact, slave states wanted to expand their "peculiar institution" further west & north, which would be, in reality, a white man's suicide.

    What did those morons think? That blacks will remain obedient forever, like cattle? They had the example of Haiti- and had not learned a bit from it. Expel all blacks or they will eventually devour you. If you base your economy on them, either as slaves or freedmen- you are doomed.

    3. if the South had seceded a few decades before, they would overflow their land with Negroes & would end up, eventually, as a second Haiti, with virtually all whites exterminated.

    Lincoln not only saved the Union. He saved Southern whites from their own self-destructive idiocy.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    , @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor


    You do realize Southerners didn’t import the Africans, right?
     
    First of all, this is wrong. There were plenty of Southerners involved with the slave trade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clotilda_(slave_ship)#:~:text=The%20schooner%20Clotilda%20(often%20misspelled,%2C%20with%20110%E2%80%93160%20slaves.

    2nd, even if some of the slave traders were Yankees, if Southerners were not interested in purchasing human labor on an economical a one-time you own it for life basis instead of the more expensive rental option, the slave traders would not have had anyone to sell to. The fact that some of their fellow Yankees were involved with the trade does not negate the opposition of other Yankees who, to their credit, recognized quite early on that owning other humans was just plain wrong.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Jane Plain

  94. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1280636901171625984

    Replies: @Escher

    I would “LOL” that were it not tragic at the same time.
    So now a 911 caller has to debate between taking a chance on getting robbed/raped/murdered vs. falling afoul of the “CAREN”
    Act.

  95. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong
    At this point in history, white women sorta remind me of Celeste at the end of Mystic River . (spoiler alert) She sold out her husband for, basically, a pat on the head from the local powers that be, and a sense that she 'did the right thing.' Of course she was an idiot, her husband was actually completely innocent, but he got whacked, and now she and her son are alone and their future looks quite bleak. White men are pretty much out of power these days and one of the downstream effects of that is that the future is starting to look rather bleak for white women. Particularly those over 35.

    Not that anybody seems to be wising up. About 3 times per week in the last month I've had some baizuo at work start droning on unprompted about white privilege and black lives matter and orange man bad. I don't know why they think I would be interested in hearing their soliloquy. At least where I'm at, all the BLM marchers are primarily white women. In academia they tended to be the smiling enforcers (but not the originators) of all the anti-white male policies.

    Yes, I know, not all women, and I know that white women voted for Trump by a slim majority. But if you compare that to the voting patterns of, for example, black women... not exactly rock ribbed allies of white men.

    That's not to say that it's their fault; women just tend to go along with the zeitgeist, and the zeitgeist as anti-white male right now. The types of arguments they find persuasive tend to be appeals to authority. They put a lot of stock in whether a source appears to be reputable and less on its actual content. None of these things are necessarily bad, if the zeitgeist is healthy, and the authorities are acting in good faith they are good heuristics. Unfortunately neither of those things is true now.

    Overall, taking political and economic power away from women (of all races) would be a net positive for whites, but I've generally found that even very pro-white women, when faced with this trade off, will choose gender over race.

    So be it! Bring forth the Asians!

    Replies: @Anon, @anon, @Black-hole creator, @Jake

    Overall, taking political and economic power away from women (of all races) would be a net positive for whites, but I’ve generally found that even very pro-white women, when faced with this trade off, will choose gender over race.

    So be it! Bring forth the Asians!

    Hear, hear!

    Mao offered Kissinger 10 million Chinese women

    You know, China is a very poor country,” Mao is quoted as saying during the exchange. “We don’t have much. What we have in excess is women. So if you want them we can give a few …

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/02/15/mao-offered-kissinger-10-million-chinese-women/

    Is it too late to accept the offer? And adjust for inflation and make it 30 million Han women?

    • Replies: @throtler
    @Anon

    These days the dumb Chinese have an excessive amount of men. You can take the thirty million women to your private island if you have one. The United States does not want them.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @AceDeuce
    @Anon

    Not sure about China, but a few hundred years ago, it was common for poor farmers in Japan and Korea to, if an unwanted female baby was born, simply leave the infant ,uncovered and naked, out in the woods and let the animals take care of her.

    And I don't mean "take care of", as in "raise her"....

  96. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Whew, some of the hidden hate for white women held by non-white females has really bubbled up in some of these instances. Lots of resentment here. Too bad but not everyone can be white. Maybe some of these stupid liberal-lefty white women will wake up and see plainly how all those non-whites actually secretly despise them and are jealous of them. The saying ‘blood is thicker than water’ is truer now than ever before.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @anonymous

    It is not jealousy of white women as there is nothing to be jealous of (white women have been entirely superceded by Asian and Asian-mixed women in the eyes of all races' men).


    In reality, it is white women who are seething in jealousy over having been supplanted by Asian, Mestiza and Hapa women in the female desirability arena. White women are the female equivalent of male Dalits now. Hence the multiple videos of white and Caucasoid-ish women acting foolish towards Asian women, especially when they are in proximity to white men.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Old and Grumpy
    @anonymous

    No, they won't. To flip sides would mean admitting to being wrong.

    Replies: @jsm

  97. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    In more ways than the average Joe Blow cares to think, Ron Jeremy, is *the* archetypal American everyman.
    How else do you think that such a repulsive specimen could have garnered enormous popularity and exposure?
    The archetype is that Jeremy - passed his prime, beer-gutted, balding, unkempt, uncouth and hideous to look at, succeeds with women. The unspoken message is that if he can, Mr. Middle American can too.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    Well, I must confess that I’ve fallen behind on my pledge to report every heartbeat of the Porn Community. I apologize to all my readers to who came to rely on me for my obsessive interest in pornongraphy.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    There are some things to be learned from porn, just as there were from Heartiste.

    Unless you share the same abhorrence of the embodied nature of existence as Pinker (this is what underlies Better Angels of Our Nature), Heartiste was in some ways more vulgar and more subversive than pornography.

    I'm not suggesting you watch it, but at the same time, you might consider that the turn to having nudity and sexuality more or less in public (it is at hand everywhere) is in some ways a return to the human cultural norm of fertility rituals and phallic art. Were the Greeks more primitive than we? Yes. Were they likely our betters on a man-to-man comparison? Yes.

    Replies: @Random Smartaleck, @The Wild Geese Howard, @S. Anonyia

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    But, Steve, you being a former newspaperman, surely, you must have a 'nose' for what's interesting and fascinating to the public, and what is not. The Jeremy story fits the bill in every possible way, epochal groundbreaking stuff which sells copy from here to Timbuktu.

    The biggest thing to come out of LA's Porn Valley since the 1981 John Holmes/Wonderland case.

    A good sense of the absurd helps to keep us grounded.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Steve Sailer

    Apology accepted.

  98. @AnonAnon
    OT - Steve, why haven’t you addressed the ICE announcement that international students won’t get visas or will have to leave the US if their colleges remain fully on-line for the upcoming academic year? I’ve been waiting for your take. It was a particularly delicious move after Harvard made the announcement early yesterday morning that it was going to remain on line for the upcoming 2020-2021 school year, thus kicking off a cascade of other colleges likely to follow suit. It not only gets rid of pesky problem of Chinese student spies but puts financial pressure on US colleges to open up. It also puts a speed bump in the path to citizenship for the students. Maybe colleges will have to take some Americans off their waitlists now. Win-win-win-win.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hhsiii, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666

    Cornell is going to have all in-person classes in the Fall. They think it’ll actually be easier to monitor that way.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/07/01/cornell-researchers-say-person-semester-university-safer-online-one

  99. The guys who invented the neg are sure that one day real soon now white women will get sick of being negged and dump that loser lmao

    Single women behavior is only going to get worse as this cohort ages further and spends more years under the influence of SSRI and other toxic garbage.

  100. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Mr McKenna


    Responding to the question ‘How can white women not be Karens?’ journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley explained that any woman who is ‘unwilling to accept that her whiteness is a privilege’ is a Karen
     
    Admit you're a racist who needs to be punished, or else you're a racist who needs to be punished.

    Replies: @Amerimutt Golems, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @DextersLabRat, @ben tillman

    “That’s some catch, that Catch-22.”

    “It’s the best there is.”

    • Replies: @sayless
    @Achmed E. Newman

    And there's "Trust me, or it'll hurt."

  101. @ABDOULAYE Pierre
    America is a land of opportunity.
    If you work hard , then you will succeed here.
    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002.
    Got a degree in Computer Engineering from UC Davis and have been working in Amazon for quite some time now.
    I make 6 figure salary and am married to a beautiful all American girl from Edina, Minnesota and have 3 kids who are thoroughly American.

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Gyre07, @Steve in Greensboro, @bomag, @c matt, @Seneca44, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot, @Olorin, @dually

    Thanks, Pierre, and congratulations on your wonderful life.

    The progressive left (the sort that attack white women) is not interested in competent, responsible, motivated black people like you. They exploit the other kind of black people as political tools and if they die in the process (due to the Ferguson Effect), they die.

  102. @anonymous
    Whew, some of the hidden hate for white women held by non-white females has really bubbled up in some of these instances. Lots of resentment here. Too bad but not everyone can be white. Maybe some of these stupid liberal-lefty white women will wake up and see plainly how all those non-whites actually secretly despise them and are jealous of them. The saying 'blood is thicker than water' is truer now than ever before.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Old and Grumpy

    It is not jealousy of white women as there is nothing to be jealous of (white women have been entirely superceded by Asian and Asian-mixed women in the eyes of all races’ men).

    In reality, it is white women who are seething in jealousy over having been supplanted by Asian, Mestiza and Hapa women in the female desirability arena. White women are the female equivalent of male Dalits now. Hence the multiple videos of white and Caucasoid-ish women acting foolish towards Asian women, especially when they are in proximity to white men.

    • Agree: Johnny Smoggins
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    Hence the multiple videos of white and Caucasoid-ish women acting foolish towards Asian women, especially when they are in proximity to white men.
     
    What multiple videos?

    Replies: @DextersLabRat

  103. @SimpleSong
    @ben tillman

    True, but back then they were much more likely to be married, much more likely to have children, and much more likely to be economically dependent on their husbands.

    Female suffrage seems to create a feedback loop. Women vote for their own economic interests (as does everybody) and so right after women's suffrage they tend to align their votes very closely with the needs of their men who support them economically. But each cycle they also vote themselves a little more safety net, a little more money for industries they dominate (like education and healthcare), a little less protection for industries they don't dominate (manufacturing, construction) and as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society. And their voting patterns diverge, and society starts to look very very different from what it used to.

    Now the question is, are these economically independent women happier, or better off? Of course it depends on the individual case, but as a whole, I think that paradoxically the economic independence has lessened women's happiness. This independence indirectly led to more libertine sexual mores, which I don't think women appreciate that much, and, let's be frank, working kinda sucks. Surveys of female happiness seem to support this although it's difficult to put a lot of faith in that sort of data.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus, @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @anon, @Thea

    True, except I would amend this line:

    as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society

    to

    as time goes by they are becoming less and less economically dependent directly on their husbands and more and more dependent on the government financed by the men who would have been their husbands.

    They are just as economically dependent as before, but the Rube Goldberg machine of big government allows them to camouflage that dependency from themselves.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Yep. Remember Obama's "Life of Julia" where Julia sucks on the government teat from cradle to grave? This has been going on in the ghetto for many decades but now white American females are being blackified.

    Women enjoy being mothers (if not to human children then at least to their pets) but being wives not so much. Demands for sex when you don't feel like having sex. Dirty underwear on the floor and unwashed dishes. The majority of divorces are initiated by women. The problem with marriage is that it has both benefits and burdens. So if you can get government to provide the benefits then you can skip the marriage and skip the burdens.

    A close second is a divorce - same deal. Your ex-husband still has to provide (financial) benefits but you no longer have any obligations to him. Women's suffrage has allowed them to control government to the point where the dice are loaded in their favor. Men (especially men with assets or income, i.e. not black men) get screwed by the tax system and the legal system. Someone like Bezos doesn't care because he has more billions than he could spend in 10 lifetimes but for a middle class guy living on the edge, this tilt is enough to send them over the precipice.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @JMcG, @sayless, @Corvinus

  104. @Twinkie
    @AnonAnon

    Princeton is giving 10% off the tuition in return for going online.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon

    Princeton is a more plausible fit for all-online, since the student body skews heavily towards spergs and bookish types; that campus is an utter snooze. Whereas online will be a disaster for Harvard, since they select for charismatic weirdos and aggressive, energetic lunatics. If you’re not personally in the padded room with these people, then you’re not really at Harvard.

    • Agree: sayless
  105. @Kyle
    Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again. I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range. Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    Replies: @Not my Economy, @P. Berg, @peterike, @anon, @Obee, @Jack D, @epebble

    >Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    It’ll still get you an online only tier 1 banking job so yes.

    They’re taking off the mask and flexing. It’s pure credentialism and what are you gonna do about it?

    I think more colleges will follow suit on online only, because they can wind down spending on facilities and direct even more money to administrator compensation. Get rid of all those decent paying often union white guy jobs that enable the existence of townies. College towns become playgrounds for the telecommuting professors/admins, with nobody else.

    The only institutional reason against online-only is professors expect to have sex with their students and that would be harder to do remotely.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    @Not my Economy

    I agree. At some point maybe they'll just start charging for the acceptance letter, which is the only unique thing of value they provide at this point. Actual attendance will be optional.

  106. “Dear white women: The Establishment hates you and wants terrible things to happen to you.”

    “Ultimately, What Does Black Lives Matter Want? They want your stuff.

    LOL, really cranking up the rhetoric, eh, Mr. Sailer? Yep, must be donation month.

  107. @ABDOULAYE Pierre
    America is a land of opportunity.
    If you work hard , then you will succeed here.
    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002.
    Got a degree in Computer Engineering from UC Davis and have been working in Amazon for quite some time now.
    I make 6 figure salary and am married to a beautiful all American girl from Edina, Minnesota and have 3 kids who are thoroughly American.

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Gyre07, @Steve in Greensboro, @bomag, @c matt, @Seneca44, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot, @Olorin, @dually

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    The twitter mob et al have taken down a lot of good men.

  108. @Thomas
    Poetic justice. Half the trouble America and the West faces started by giving white women the vote and catering to their frivolous desires. Let the dumb, perimenopausal cows get their heads caved in as their formerly-safe gentrified hipsterburgs turn on them.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Jesse, @Thea, @AUSA(ret), @Joseph Doaks, @ScarletNumber

    Enjoy extinction.

    What about us dumb perimenopausal cows who gave birth several future white men?

    Where do white men come from after all? Do they spring from the ground like mushrooms in the night?

    Our effort should go to eradicating feminism not white women

    • Agree: jsm
    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Thea

    Any woman who has given birth to "several future white men" is pretty unlikely to be drifting into middle age in the "vibrant" coastal enclaves where these "Karen-baiting" incidents are happening. Birthrates and total fertility statistics tell the tale.

    I know more than a few late-30s to early-40s white women, the demographic Karens come from, who cast down their buckets in LA, New York, or the Bay Area 10 or 15 years ago and thought it was all going to be a life of mimosa brunches, dog-momming, and sex in the city, subsidized by some sort of meaningless mid-level white collar job that a monkey could do with the right credentials.

    Now the ball is coming to an end, and Cinderella's coach home just turned back into a pumpkin.

  109. @SimpleSong
    @ben tillman

    True, but back then they were much more likely to be married, much more likely to have children, and much more likely to be economically dependent on their husbands.

    Female suffrage seems to create a feedback loop. Women vote for their own economic interests (as does everybody) and so right after women's suffrage they tend to align their votes very closely with the needs of their men who support them economically. But each cycle they also vote themselves a little more safety net, a little more money for industries they dominate (like education and healthcare), a little less protection for industries they don't dominate (manufacturing, construction) and as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society. And their voting patterns diverge, and society starts to look very very different from what it used to.

    Now the question is, are these economically independent women happier, or better off? Of course it depends on the individual case, but as a whole, I think that paradoxically the economic independence has lessened women's happiness. This independence indirectly led to more libertine sexual mores, which I don't think women appreciate that much, and, let's be frank, working kinda sucks. Surveys of female happiness seem to support this although it's difficult to put a lot of faith in that sort of data.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus, @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @anon, @Thea

    “Female suffrage seems to create a feedback loop. Women vote for their own economic interests (as does everybody) and so right after women’s suffrage they tend to align their votes very closely with the needs of their men who support them economically.”

    So far, so good.

    “But each cycle they also vote themselves a little more safety net, a little more money for industries they dominate (like education and healthcare), a little less protection for industries they don’t dominate (manufacturing, construction) and as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society. And their voting patterns diverge, and society starts to look very very different from what it used to.”

    And this is where you fall off the ledge. BOTH genders seek out those candidates who will ensure they will get that “safety net” and “money for industries”. Why? To become more economically well off, either individually or as a couple. Voting patterns have diverged historically due to political parties and ideologies changing, which results in a society looking markedly different than in decades past.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    BOTH genders seek out those candidates who will ensure they will get that “safety net” and “money for industries”.
     
    They are called "sexes", you stupid idiot. Sexes. There are two of them. It's a biological category. As f**ktards like you are fond of saying (while not actually subscribing to) "Science is Real".

    Replies: @botazefa

  110. Steve is smart and he notices but he doesn’t understand women. There is nothing liberal white women would love more than being told that they deserve to be raped and killed for being white. By supporting that viewpoint they can demonstrate that they are good white females.

    Women want to be dominated and want status. More than men they are aware of what it takes to gain status.

  111. @Whiskey
    Oh Yglesias is toast. He's done. Tranny beats pretty much everything in Pokemon diversity points.

    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.

    What they want are black men. Look at DeSean Jackson. He quotes some junk by "Hitler" through Farrakhan and he suffers ... nothing. No suspension. No fines. No groveling. No apologies.

    White women accurately feel that they are significantly hotter than sistahs. That's not hard, the average black woman is morbidly obese with huuuugggggeeeeee behinds. Lizzo is actually slender for black women.

    However they underestimate how much a threat they are to black women and how much they are resented. There are only seven (only 7 !!!!) black men with college degrees not in prison or with significant prison time served. George Floyd is not only a role model he's typical of most black men. The few educated black men who have managed not to keep it real and make a good living are highly sought after. And sistahs like White women poaching their men as much as Asian men enjoy White dudes with Asian girls.

    The clueless oblivion will never ever change for White women. Even as President Abrams has her army of Quaneeshas clubbing them over the head like baby seals for their ... hair. "We need our weaves. I don't wear it personally. But we need it." Its a lifetime of habit. White women have spent their entire lives from being adorable and thus spoiled little girls to hot chicks and thus spoiled beyond belief just feeling not thinking. A few women can think, and most could if they had a lifetime habit of thinking. But soft easy living and the spoiling of White women has led to a lifetime of actively not thinking. Just feelz.

    White women will reflexively side with black men even as they get clubbed over the head. They are the dominant ones and so the lady tingles uber alles, so to speak.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman

    There are only seven (only 7 !!!!) black men with college degrees not in prison or with significant prison time served.

    Now, that deserves a LOL!

  112. @anonymous
    Whew, some of the hidden hate for white women held by non-white females has really bubbled up in some of these instances. Lots of resentment here. Too bad but not everyone can be white. Maybe some of these stupid liberal-lefty white women will wake up and see plainly how all those non-whites actually secretly despise them and are jealous of them. The saying 'blood is thicker than water' is truer now than ever before.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Old and Grumpy

    No, they won’t. To flip sides would mean admitting to being wrong.

    • Replies: @jsm
    @Old and Grumpy

    Well, they won't tell YOU.. but in the privacy of the voting booth, is another matter.

  113. @Anonymous
    Do they still publish cross-racial rape victim-perpetrator stats?

    I remember when the numbers were shocking, like 35,000 black-on-white rapes and no (or statistically so) in the opposite direction.

    The videos of white women being assaulted by blacks have upset me of late. I just feel like it’s universal deceit in media.

    Replies: @Saxon, @Colin Wright, @John Derbyshire

    Bring back Table 42! https://tinyurl.com/y77yacut

  114. @Bardon Kaldian
    @syonredux

    Southerners were greedy & completely wrong. Had they seceded, they would have imported huge numbers of Africans for their worthless economy & the number of Africans in the contemporary US would have been not ca. 40 million, but almost certainly over 100 million.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @OilcanFloyd, @jsm, @Dannyboy

    Southerners were greedy & completely wrong….

    That’s an ignorant post. I’m a white southerner whose known ancestors were non-slave holding, small farmers from the 1950s back into colonial times, and I get that the elites in the South were a problem. But they weren’t the only problem. They weren’t the slave traders, and they didn’t run an industrial economy based on cheap raw materials produced by slaves, and later sharecroppers and tenants.

    The average white southerner always paid a greater price for the cheap labor economy that used blacks, and now latinos, than his northern counterpart did.

  115. @Auntie Analogue
    Whew. What a relief that Cady Lang isn't k.d. lang but probably has nicer shoes.

    Replies: @Prester John

    From the looks of that photo, Cady would certainly know about “racial violence.” Talk about a stereotypical Social Justice Valkyrie, she even drags out Emmett Till (!!) for good measure. 1955 Money, Mississippi—meet 2020 Central Park, Manhattan.

  116. anonymous[171] • Disclaimer says:

    To put things in perspective and understand the importance of the Karen demographic, does anyone have rough estimates for what percentage of unmarried white women with college degrees vote for Democrats compared to blacks? And roughly what percentage of voters (figures for mid-terms versus presidential elections would be quite different) are unmarried white women with college degrees compared to blacks?

  117. the central park Karen case is so unfair. NY Times today
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/nyregion/amy-cooper-central-park-false-report-charge.html
    The black Cooper clearly threatened the woman by telling her he would do something to the dog she would not like. Yet the NY Times and, now, the prosecutor ignore that aspect of the case.

    There must be a way for the DOJ to investigate and charge local officials who selectively enforce the law ( and withdraw police protection ) in a clearly partisan manner.

  118. @AnonAnon
    OT - Steve, why haven’t you addressed the ICE announcement that international students won’t get visas or will have to leave the US if their colleges remain fully on-line for the upcoming academic year? I’ve been waiting for your take. It was a particularly delicious move after Harvard made the announcement early yesterday morning that it was going to remain on line for the upcoming 2020-2021 school year, thus kicking off a cascade of other colleges likely to follow suit. It not only gets rid of pesky problem of Chinese student spies but puts financial pressure on US colleges to open up. It also puts a speed bump in the path to citizenship for the students. Maybe colleges will have to take some Americans off their waitlists now. Win-win-win-win.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hhsiii, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666

    Yep, now that’s a good move! However, Trump or somebody should have consulted a lawyerly or wonky type that knows how all these laws will be evaded (as a couple of your repliers noted). The language could have had some numbers in there, such as how what proportion of classwork would be in actual classrooms on the campus (by people, or at least by class).

    Still, if not 4-D chess, this is at least 1-D checkers out of this administration , and I appreciate it very much.

  119. @Abe
    Inquiring minds want to know:

    * Bill Gates, is your wife, Melinda Gates, a Karen?
    * Jeff Bezos, if your ex-wife Mackenzie- the mother of your 4 children- a Karen?
    * Tom Hanks, is Rita Wilson a Karen?
    * Tom Brady, is your wife Giselle a Karen? (I have a feeling that [email protected] Tom Brady’s first response would be to claim Giselle can’t possibly be a Karen because she’s Hispanic; ok, so only your mom is a Karen?)

    Call out these big shots, these titans of industry, these beloved movie stars, these sports heroes, and see if they will use any bit of their power to stop the hate directed against their wives, their mothers, their sisters, or whether they’ll reveal themselves to be the scum we all suspect they are, craven dirt bags without the guts to defend the honor of their own children’s mothers if it means losing a few endorsements, a little bit of their celebrity status, a little money.

    Replies: @Michelle, @c matt

    Gisele’s German Brazilian. A Heidi! She definitely controls what Brady eats. But then there are trade-offs. What he gets in return is obvious!

  120. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Well, I must confess that I've fallen behind on my pledge to report every heartbeat of the Porn Community. I apologize to all my readers to who came to rely on me for my obsessive interest in pornongraphy.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous, @SunBakedSuburb

    There are some things to be learned from porn, just as there were from Heartiste.

    Unless you share the same abhorrence of the embodied nature of existence as Pinker (this is what underlies Better Angels of Our Nature), Heartiste was in some ways more vulgar and more subversive than pornography.

    I’m not suggesting you watch it, but at the same time, you might consider that the turn to having nudity and sexuality more or less in public (it is at hand everywhere) is in some ways a return to the human cultural norm of fertility rituals and phallic art. Were the Greeks more primitive than we? Yes. Were they likely our betters on a man-to-man comparison? Yes.

    • Replies: @Random Smartaleck
    @Chrisnonymous


    ...return to the human cultural norm of fertility rituals...
     
    Celebration of fertility is not something you will ever find in porn. It is, however, something arguably found in Heartistes later writing with his BUNS --> OVEN rhetoric.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Chrisnonymous

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Chrisnonymous

    I tend to believe that the mainstreaming of porn is simply a symptom of how much damage has been done to normal courting and relationship behaviors between men and women in social and legal terms.

    As a result, there are hordes of frustrated people out there.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Chrisnonymous

    Uh, seriously?

    Most modern porn is very degenerate (sodomy) and has nothing to do with admiration of the human form or fertility.

    To compare it to nude Greek statues or pagan festivals is a joke.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  121. @Doktor Jeep
    The Karen's are just as much a bane to white men. If they are not calling the cops and making exaggerated claims about black men, they are making false domestic violence claims on white men.
    All those raging pussy hatters out there mainly white women, average age in the late 40s. I'm glad someone recognizes this scourge.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @S. Anonyia

    Exactly: White women are a bigger pain in the ass to White men than to any other group. Hopefully having their POC and trannie allies and Time magazine turn on them will finally give them pause.

  122. Anon[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed
    Of course the irony in all of this is none of it could happen without white women. They are easily the driving force in our current madness.

    If Biden was merely 2 points ahead instead of 12 in the polls the tone in media coverage, which is the fuel for this nonsense, would change. However since white women continue to move towards Biden will things will continue until November.

    Replies: @Anon

    Of course the irony in all of this is none of it could happen without white women. They are easily the driving force in our current madness.

    A lot of the madness was nurtured and propagated by public education which is overwhelmingly run by white women.

    Which reminds me…

    https://news.yahoo.com/mary-kay-letourneau-teacher-jailed-035831250.html

    Mary Kay Letourneau, teacher jailed for raping student, dies at 58

    July 7, 2020

    SEATTLE (AP) — Mary Kay Letourneau, a teacher who married her former sixth-grade student after she was convicted of raping him in a case that drew international headlines, has died. She was 58.

    Her lawyer David Gehrke told multiple news outlets Letourneau died Tuesday of cancer. He did not immediately return an email from The Associated Press.

    Letourneau was a married mother of four in 1996 when she taught 12-year-old Vili Fualaau in her class at Shorewood Elementary in Burien, a south Seattle suburb…

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Anon

    Mary Kay Letourneau's father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Schmitz

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Twinkie

  123. @Twinkie
    @AnonAnon

    Princeton is giving 10% off the tuition in return for going online.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mr. Anon

    Princeton is giving 10% off the tuition in return for going online.

    10%? Students should hold out for a lot more – like at least 70%. What’s the point of even “attending” an Ivy League University if the experience is akin to playing a multi-player online game. That’s like Carnival Cruises offering a 10% discount for “virtual cruises”. Might as well attend DeVry Institute.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Mr. Anon


    What’s the point of even “attending” an Ivy League University if the experience is akin to playing a multi-player online game.
     
    Attending an Ivy doesn’t provide any experience different from that of any high quality university. What it confers is an imprimatur of status - that of an elite-in-training.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  124. @ABDOULAYE Pierre
    America is a land of opportunity.
    If you work hard , then you will succeed here.
    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002.
    Got a degree in Computer Engineering from UC Davis and have been working in Amazon for quite some time now.
    I make 6 figure salary and am married to a beautiful all American girl from Edina, Minnesota and have 3 kids who are thoroughly American.

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Gyre07, @Steve in Greensboro, @bomag, @c matt, @Seneca44, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot, @Olorin, @dually

    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002

    See, there’s the difference. You have not been steeped in anti-Americanism from birth the way only American institutions can do.

    • Replies: @Pop Warner
    @c matt

    But his mutt kids will be, they'll grow up hating whitey and their race traitor mother will probably encourage it

  125. @Corvinus
    @SimpleSong

    "Female suffrage seems to create a feedback loop. Women vote for their own economic interests (as does everybody) and so right after women’s suffrage they tend to align their votes very closely with the needs of their men who support them economically."

    So far, so good.

    "But each cycle they also vote themselves a little more safety net, a little more money for industries they dominate (like education and healthcare), a little less protection for industries they don’t dominate (manufacturing, construction) and as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society. And their voting patterns diverge, and society starts to look very very different from what it used to."

    And this is where you fall off the ledge. BOTH genders seek out those candidates who will ensure they will get that "safety net" and "money for industries". Why? To become more economically well off, either individually or as a couple. Voting patterns have diverged historically due to political parties and ideologies changing, which results in a society looking markedly different than in decades past.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    BOTH genders seek out those candidates who will ensure they will get that “safety net” and “money for industries”.

    They are called “sexes”, you stupid idiot. Sexes. There are two of them. It’s a biological category. As f**ktards like you are fond of saying (while not actually subscribing to) “Science is Real”.

    • Replies: @botazefa
    @Mr. Anon


    They are called “sexes”, you stupid idiot.
     
    Maybe corvinus considers gender to be synonymous with sex. Maybe he hasn't fallen for the new definition.

    Are we going to start an argument here that gender is different than sex? Is this The Atlantic?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  126. @Kyle
    Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again. I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range. Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    Replies: @Not my Economy, @P. Berg, @peterike, @anon, @Obee, @Jack D, @epebble

    Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again.

    Oh no, all the humanity! What, pray tell, will all the crackpots who stand around Harvard Square espousing their crackpot theories do now??

  127. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Mr McKenna


    Responding to the question ‘How can white women not be Karens?’ journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley explained that any woman who is ‘unwilling to accept that her whiteness is a privilege’ is a Karen
     
    Admit you're a racist who needs to be punished, or else you're a racist who needs to be punished.

    Replies: @Amerimutt Golems, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @DextersLabRat, @ben tillman

    Admit you’re a racist who needs to be punished, or else you’re a racist who needs to be punished.

    How long until white people break the Gordian knot of this formulation by just admitting “I am a racist.”

    • Agree: Ragnar White
    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @Mr. Anon

    I think that most people are actually racist, and the sooner most whites admit it and stop allowing the term to provoke "white guilt" the better off our society will be. The appropriate response to "You're racist" should be "So are you!" Let the accusers deal with that from 60 million reasonable whites who refuse to be intimidated by name calling.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Mr. Anon

    And if you think that's bad, how long until white people break the Gordian knot by just admitting, “I'm a racist who needs to be privileged.”

    Or, “I'm a racist who needs to be Emperor.”

  128. @Amerimutt Golems
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Admit you’re a racist who needs to be punished, or else you’re a racist who needs to be punished.

     

    Amelia Dimoldenberg and Charlotte Riley are just projecting their privileged Jewish backgrounds. They don't speak for ordinary goyim but that doesn't matter to non-whites.

    The latter is an unhinged activist rather than a serious historian just like co-ethnic Miranda Kaufmann who wrote the book Black Tudors to support the multiculturalism and nation of immigrants narrative.

    https://www.southampton.ac.uk/history/about/staff/clr1y14.page

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    Dr Charlotte Lydia Riley isn’t Jewish. Does that falsify your comment?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I've just remembered - she's the woman who said that when walking in the streets, she never takes evasive action if the oncoming person is male.


    “A few days ago, I was having a bad morning: my train tickets were expensive, my train was delayed, and my coffee was cold,” Riley wrote. “But I cheered myself up by playing a game on my commute. The game is called Patriarchy Chicken, and the rules are simple: do not move out of the way for men.”

    If that sounds like something that would be ungentlemanly conduct if perpetrated by a man, you would be correct in your assessment. Generally speaking, people will go to great lengths to avoid a collision, and will often create disorganized chaos as they humorously attempt to bob and weave out of each other’s way.

    For Riley, however, it’s about fighting the so-called patriarchy.
     
    https://thepeoplesledger.com/professor-says-she-plays-chicken-with-men-while-walking-to-empower-women/

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

  129. But, in the real world, who is taking whose men?

    Perhaps we should have a “Karen v. Erin” meme. Karen is all that is bad about white womanhood, Erin is good. (Except that she steals a high quality black man who should have married a black woman but that doesn’t matter because it’s all in a good cause.)

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Jane Plain

    Remarkable 3 out of 4 stories are black related. Blacks only make up 12% of the country’s population.

    , @duncsbaby
    @Jane Plain

    Because if there's one thing Rural Minnesota has been crying out for, it's Racial Justice.

  130. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong
    At this point in history, white women sorta remind me of Celeste at the end of Mystic River . (spoiler alert) She sold out her husband for, basically, a pat on the head from the local powers that be, and a sense that she 'did the right thing.' Of course she was an idiot, her husband was actually completely innocent, but he got whacked, and now she and her son are alone and their future looks quite bleak. White men are pretty much out of power these days and one of the downstream effects of that is that the future is starting to look rather bleak for white women. Particularly those over 35.

    Not that anybody seems to be wising up. About 3 times per week in the last month I've had some baizuo at work start droning on unprompted about white privilege and black lives matter and orange man bad. I don't know why they think I would be interested in hearing their soliloquy. At least where I'm at, all the BLM marchers are primarily white women. In academia they tended to be the smiling enforcers (but not the originators) of all the anti-white male policies.

    Yes, I know, not all women, and I know that white women voted for Trump by a slim majority. But if you compare that to the voting patterns of, for example, black women... not exactly rock ribbed allies of white men.

    That's not to say that it's their fault; women just tend to go along with the zeitgeist, and the zeitgeist as anti-white male right now. The types of arguments they find persuasive tend to be appeals to authority. They put a lot of stock in whether a source appears to be reputable and less on its actual content. None of these things are necessarily bad, if the zeitgeist is healthy, and the authorities are acting in good faith they are good heuristics. Unfortunately neither of those things is true now.

    Overall, taking political and economic power away from women (of all races) would be a net positive for whites, but I've generally found that even very pro-white women, when faced with this trade off, will choose gender over race.

    So be it! Bring forth the Asians!

    Replies: @Anon, @anon, @Black-hole creator, @Jake

    At least where I’m at, all the BLM marchers are primarily white women. In academia they tended to be the smiling enforcers (but not the originators) of all the anti-white male policies.

    Likely the same women who just 4 – 5 years ago were all about “Welcome Refugees”. Group think is strong in humans, but especially so in tribes. Women are a tribe.

  131. It’s going to be part of San Francisco law. Dear San Francisco: may you sink in a sea of piss and shit.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1280811380979806208

  132. @Charles St. Charles

    I suspect white women are pretty clueless about this kind of racist anti-white women backstabbing by women of other races who want to take their men.
     
    Steve, you really must be more disciplined in your editing; this sentence is too long by nineteen words.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “Steve, you really must be more disciplined in your editing; this sentence is too long by nineteen words.”

    Wrong. I understood it the first time through. Your IQ is just too low by nineteen points.

  133. @RichardTaylor
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You do realize Southerners didn't import the Africans, right?

    And if what you're saying is right, and other Old Yankee stock were concerned about too many Africans, then the proper action would have been to let the South go.

    But of course, that wasn't the issue.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @kikz, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D

    Yes they did – until 1808 and even illegally, thereafter.

    And after the war, no less a Confederate than Nathan Bedford Forrest proposed importing Africans to the South, because they were the “only laboring class we’ve ever had.”

    Look it right up in the bio by Jack Hurst. It’s obviously towards the end, because it happened after the war. Use the phrase “laboring class” in the Kindle “look inside feature.”

    As for shipping ’em back in the 1830s, that wasn’t going to happen because it was around that time that cotton became “King Cotton” and the price of slaves accordingly began to shoot through the roof.

    If you were a strapped farmer in Virginia, suddenly your wealth became those prime age hands, who could get you out of debt quickly. As for the rest, figure it out yourselves.

    There was never a crazier, more self-defeating situation than slavery in the US. We are saddled with its consequences.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Jane Plain


    There was never a crazier, more self-defeating situation than slavery in the US. We are saddled with its consequences.
     
    Post 1965 immigration is definitely crazier and more self-defeating than slavery ever was. Giving the nation away through demographic change is suicidal. I'm no fan of slavery or the antebellum aristocracy of the South, but they were not able to destroy the nation. Would an actual civil war save America at this point?

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    , @RichardTaylor
    @Jane Plain

    We are saddled with the consequences of the Old Yankee stock which killed 700,000 White Americans and then continued on with one crazy anti-White plan after the other.

    Of course, they have been more or less pushed aside by Jews today. The Old Yankee stock was never loyal to Whites, they simply wanted to impose suffering on others. Goes back to their puritan roots of hoping to see millions burning in Hell forever.

  134. @Kyle
    Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again. I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range. Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    Replies: @Not my Economy, @P. Berg, @peterike, @anon, @Obee, @Jack D, @epebble

    Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again. I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range.

    The risks are statistically nil.

    Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    Actually, this is a good thing. Without the peer pressure of your woke friends and everyone around you pushing you on to further extremes of wokeness, the brain washing will not be quite as effective. This is especially true for females, Asians, and Asian females who are all notoriously shrill as SJWs and 100% group influenced.

  135. BLM gives a Karen what she’s got coming to her. Uproarious laughter from progressives, who don’t know they’re next.

  136. To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment. The State can do whatever it wants but he wants nothing to do with it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8500925/Birdwatcher-cops-called-Central-Park-Karen-refusing-cooperate-investigation.html

    I realize that gay, black birdwatchers are never going to be a crowd favorite around here, but he strikes me as an actually decent person and decent people seem to be in short supply in America 2020.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D


    To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment.
     
    Yep, decent of him. Nice to see.

    I realize that gay, black birdwatchers are never going to be a crowd favorite around here
     
    Seriously? Around here gay black birdwatchers totally trump middle-aged white women.
    , @scrivener3
    @Jack D

    Maybe he does not want a public examination of the facts of the encounter under oath? Obviously he has won the "presentation to the mob by one side with a cell phone video" portion. Would a full examination of his behavior show him in such a good light?

    , @Getaclue
    @Jack D

    Correct me if I'm wrong but in the longer conversation not played as part of the video that was replayed over and over -- Didn't he threaten her physically/sexually? I read that and saw his supposed comments to her and thought they weren't particularly good and were in fact threatening -- the whole thing seems to have been incredibly stupid but the Mainslime Media is looking for whatever to hurl at the hated YT so they hurled this....

    , @AceDeuce
    @Jack D

    He's a fking nutball black racist troublemaker.

    During Fentanyl Floyd's Fifteen Funerals (TM), the bird watcher groid bragged to the MSM that the incident with him and the white gal, which happened just before the Floyd thing, was the catalyst for the whole big riot and statue BLM extravaganza. If he hadn't done his thang, none of the rest would have happened.

    Fk 'em all. Every one of them.

  137. I’m patiently waiting for someone to bring up Emmett Till as proof positive of all the violence White women have instigated in the past.

    My Pa used to tell me, “If you don’t want to be treated like a criminal don’t act like one.” Emmett’s Ma should have schooled him about acting stupid around Southern White women.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Enemy of Earth


    I’m patiently waiting for someone to bring up Emmett Till as proof positive of all the violence White women have instigated in the past.
     
    Why wait? It's all day every day on Twitter.

    https://twitter.com/barbie_que03/status/1280932043346661377
  138. anon[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kyle
    Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again. I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range. Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    Replies: @Not my Economy, @P. Berg, @peterike, @anon, @Obee, @Jack D, @epebble

    Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    In some sense, yes. But in the vital forming-networks sense, not so much. A small minority of Harvard students will still form such networks, but many won’t. Could be in a few years we’ll see a little mob of Hapa grads on the Sarah Jeong model bitterly denouncing Harvard for “failure to properly educate”.

    It’s nothing new. 100+ years ago the Harvard education was a combo of reading classic books, discussing those classic books under the benign gaze of a senior professor, and of course networking, networking, networking. The standard small LibArts college that tries to be a mini-Harvard hasn’t the resources including the students and faculty to really duplicate that. So what’s the network from Flyover Formerly Church U worth, really?

    In the larger picture this years’s Coof pandemic has revealed that the college emperors got no clothes. Expect some colleges to fail by 2022, if not sooner. Won’t be headlines outside of industry media and local news, but it’ll happen.

    Online even with video courtesy of Zoom or something similar isn’t the same as face to face, so far as many courses of study are concerned. It’s more like what used to be called a “correspondence course” than “college”.

    Online “college” isn’t gonna revive the MRS degree, either.

  139. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    I suspect white women are pretty clueless about this kind of racist anti-white women backstabbing by women of other races who want to take their men.

    View this post on Instagram

    Thank you @lynnradius for the back story! This is just #SAVAGE 🤬 OR SHALL I JUST CALL IT #BLM #GHETTO 🙄 #oppressionmyASS! SALEM, N.J. (KABC) — A New Jersey woman was beaten in front of her toddler, and a crowd of people watched but did nothing to stop the attack. WARNING: Video is graphic and disturbing. Cellphone video showed Catherine Ferreira falling to the ground, and then being kicked and pummeled on Tuesday night. Her 2-year-old son kicks the woman in an attempt to get her to stop, but no one else tries to stop the attack. "He wasn't afraid. He just wanted to defend his mom, so that's my world right there. I love that boy so much," Ferreira said. The victim suffered a broken nose and mild concussion. Police Chief John Pelura III described the video as "physically sickening to watch," and he blasted witnesses for not calling for help. "There is so little regard for human life – by the actor and the bystanders," Pelura said in a statement. Police identified the suspect as 25-year-old Latia Harris, a former co-worker at McDonald's who accused the victim of spreading rumors about her. She has not yet been located, but she was charged with aggravated assault and terroristic threats. #Repost @brian_keith73_2 @download.ins — Bunch of cowards, put damn phone down. Rp @proudconservative_ny Can verify, no men in this footage. True men would’ve never allowed this to happen let alone stand & record. Just one brave son who defended his mom and begged and pleaded, and will forever remember this day. Wait until he gets older.. 👀 – VC: @conservative.latino Via @keepamerica.usa @stettz . • • • • @RealDonaldTrump #MAGA 🇺🇸 #Trump2020 #KAG2020 🇺🇸 #DJTJR2024 #WeThePeople #FakeNews #ΜΟΛΩΝΛΑΒΕ #1A #2A #WWG1WGA • 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸

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    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @anonymous

    If only White people thought in terms of "herd immunity" and started carrying hammers like Black women. That way, they could 'hammer away' at their attackers en mass and put an end to this.

    https://youtu.be/57QrPKM1B7c?t=504
    [8:24]

  140. @Abe
    Inquiring minds want to know:

    * Bill Gates, is your wife, Melinda Gates, a Karen?
    * Jeff Bezos, if your ex-wife Mackenzie- the mother of your 4 children- a Karen?
    * Tom Hanks, is Rita Wilson a Karen?
    * Tom Brady, is your wife Giselle a Karen? (I have a feeling that [email protected] Tom Brady’s first response would be to claim Giselle can’t possibly be a Karen because she’s Hispanic; ok, so only your mom is a Karen?)

    Call out these big shots, these titans of industry, these beloved movie stars, these sports heroes, and see if they will use any bit of their power to stop the hate directed against their wives, their mothers, their sisters, or whether they’ll reveal themselves to be the scum we all suspect they are, craven dirt bags without the guts to defend the honor of their own children’s mothers if it means losing a few endorsements, a little bit of their celebrity status, a little money.

    Replies: @Michelle, @c matt

    stop the hate directed against their wives, their mothers, their sisters

    part of me agrees – we should protect our women; but part of me asks, where were these women when the White male was being flayed by society?

    • Agree: Cagey Beast
  141. kikz says:
    @RichardTaylor
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You do realize Southerners didn't import the Africans, right?

    And if what you're saying is right, and other Old Yankee stock were concerned about too many Africans, then the proper action would have been to let the South go.

    But of course, that wasn't the issue.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @kikz, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D

    that has to be the silliest thing i’ve ever seen Bardon pen…

    someone should clue ole Bardon in….. as to:

    slavery and the slave industry in the North (which existed for many years before the establishment of the Southern Plantation Culture) and its fortunes generated. the slave trade literally built Newport, RI; but the docents of those mansions don’t mention that on the tours, you can bet….. http://slavenorth.com/

    how the majority of that ‘worthless’ raw King cotton ended up in northern textile mills, enriching all those morally superior yankees, who worked those tiny White children in their factories.

    ….apparently Bardon also has no understanding of the law of 1807, effective ’08 which made their importation illegal, nor the economics of animal husbandry………in that it was cheaper to ‘grow your own’ than import them, even before the ban….. LOL!

  142. @Almost Missouri
    @SimpleSong

    True, except I would amend this line:


    as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society
     
    to

    as time goes by they are becoming less and less economically dependent directly on their husbands and more and more dependent on the government financed by the men who would have been their husbands.
     
    They are just as economically dependent as before, but the Rube Goldberg machine of big government allows them to camouflage that dependency from themselves.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Yep. Remember Obama’s “Life of Julia” where Julia sucks on the government teat from cradle to grave? This has been going on in the ghetto for many decades but now white American females are being blackified.

    Women enjoy being mothers (if not to human children then at least to their pets) but being wives not so much. Demands for sex when you don’t feel like having sex. Dirty underwear on the floor and unwashed dishes. The majority of divorces are initiated by women. The problem with marriage is that it has both benefits and burdens. So if you can get government to provide the benefits then you can skip the marriage and skip the burdens.

    A close second is a divorce – same deal. Your ex-husband still has to provide (financial) benefits but you no longer have any obligations to him. Women’s suffrage has allowed them to control government to the point where the dice are loaded in their favor. Men (especially men with assets or income, i.e. not black men) get screwed by the tax system and the legal system. Someone like Bezos doesn’t care because he has more billions than he could spend in 10 lifetimes but for a middle class guy living on the edge, this tilt is enough to send them over the precipice.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jack D

    "(if not to human children then at least to their pets)"

    Dog-Moms. White men, and a pathetic lot they are, don't seem to have a problem with the DM's anthropomorphization of dogs because they share this affliction. Now young white couples send out birth notices when they buy a puppy. Darwin was right: Dogs are nature's most successful parasites.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @JMcG
    @Jack D

    Jack, you’ve been hitting on all cylinders lately.

    , @sayless
    @Jack D

    How much resistance is there to changing the divorce laws so those abuses don't occur? Women don't want to see this happen to their sons/brothers/cousins/nephews. I've heard about the injustices for years. Is there a movement?

    , @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    "Women enjoy being mothers (if not to human children then at least to their pets) but being wives not so much."

    Actually, those women who remain married and are mothers enjoy their life. Perhaps your own marriage difficulties is the factor for your cynicism?

    "Women’s suffrage has allowed them to control government to the point where the dice are loaded in their favor."

    Yes, their machinations certainly have compelled the Trump Administration to look out for their interests (rolling of eyes).

  143. jsm says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    @syonredux

    Southerners were greedy & completely wrong. Had they seceded, they would have imported huge numbers of Africans for their worthless economy & the number of Africans in the contemporary US would have been not ca. 40 million, but almost certainly over 100 million.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @OilcanFloyd, @jsm, @Dannyboy

    Now, what? Had the Southerners seceded (and not been forced back) and imported huge numbers of Africans, there most certainly would NOT be 100 million in the contemporary US, because the South would not be *part* of contemporary US.

    Pretty much, invading the South, forcing the South back into the Union, and then letting all the slaves go (very like opening the door of a lion’s cage) was just about the dumbest thing the Northerners could have possibly done.

    The responsibility for the mess today rests square on the North, Bardon.

  144. It is good to know that we are starting to see more and more “Karens” out there, although me thinks the NYC “Karen” was scripted by (((you know who))) and many of these “Karens” might be scripted.

    Anyhow, maybe some of these “Karens” are like Coca Cola the REAL THANG, and if they are, I salute you with a Roman Salute. Hail Karen!! Goodness knows with all the neutered White males around nowadays, some White women had to nut up themselves because their men are such lames.

    The only woman that even comes close to a “Karen” is a hot tamale senorita, but don’t worry darlin’ I’m keepin’ it a hunnert with the 14 words cuz I be 10 toes down with pure Ivory. No Yellow Fever with this white boy and I definitely don’t have any Jungle Love or want to taste any brown suga’. Word.

    What is the proper name for all those butt ugly and obese white girls who I see protesting with BLM and Antifa? What do we call those beasts? I call them white traitor trash, but what would be a good name?

    • Replies: @mmack
    @Trinity

    Try hambeast: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hambeast

    Or Triggly puff: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trigglypuff

    , @Dryheavz
    @Trinity

    Refrigerator Karen?

  145. Google is gaslighting.

    From first definition of “racist” that appears:

    noun: racist; plural noun: racists
    a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
    “the comments have led to her being called a racist”

    All your feels tell me everything I need to know about you, racist.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @alaska3636

    "Google is gaslighting"

    It's included in their corporate mission statement. And the crazy white cult kids are fine with it.

  146. Anon[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment. The State can do whatever it wants but he wants nothing to do with it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8500925/Birdwatcher-cops-called-Central-Park-Karen-refusing-cooperate-investigation.html

    I realize that gay, black birdwatchers are never going to be a crowd favorite around here, but he strikes me as an actually decent person and decent people seem to be in short supply in America 2020.

    Replies: @Anon, @scrivener3, @Getaclue, @AceDeuce

    To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment.

    Yep, decent of him. Nice to see.

    I realize that gay, black birdwatchers are never going to be a crowd favorite around here

    Seriously? Around here gay black birdwatchers totally trump middle-aged white women.

  147. Lots of “Karens” are carrying and know how to defend themselves quite well. They, like the other hated demographic (straight white males), will only put up with this for so long.

  148. @JohnPlywood
    @Whiskey


    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.
     
    Seething white female detected. White men are the champions, white women a genetic dead end:


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png

    https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.png

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @The Wild Geese Howard, @throtler, @Twinkie, @SunBakedSuburb, @Bert

    Whiskey and anti-Whiskey. Bizarre.

  149. Anonymous[851] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Well, I must confess that I've fallen behind on my pledge to report every heartbeat of the Porn Community. I apologize to all my readers to who came to rely on me for my obsessive interest in pornongraphy.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous, @SunBakedSuburb

    But, Steve, you being a former newspaperman, surely, you must have a ‘nose’ for what’s interesting and fascinating to the public, and what is not. The Jeremy story fits the bill in every possible way, epochal groundbreaking stuff which sells copy from here to Timbuktu.

    The biggest thing to come out of LA’s Porn Valley since the 1981 John Holmes/Wonderland case.

    A good sense of the absurd helps to keep us grounded.

  150. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    I'm still adjusting to the first kd lang:

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kd+lang&&view=detail&mid=46AAF4B19A05A90A3A6146AAF4B19A05A90A3A61&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dkd%2Blang%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

    Replies: @bruce county

    I never got the whole K.D. Lang thing..
    Back in the MuchMusic days all I could think of was Erica Ehm.

  151. To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment. The State can do whatever it wants but he wants nothing to do with it.

    You’re the lawyer – can he refuse to cooperate with a DA? Can’t they serve him with a subpoena?

    I’m not so sure his refusal is so altruistic. Maybe he doesn’t want to be asked about his rather sinister, “I’m going to do something and you’re not going to like it” comment.

    • Agree: sayless
    • Replies: @sayless
    @Jane Plain

    If he's put on the stand then the defense can have a go too.

    , @Anon
    @Jane Plain

    That, and probably his life doesn’t bear public scrutiny. And he’s media savvy, like a smart activist. That’s why he immediately backed off, lamenting her firing.

    He can conceal better than most the hostility that drives him.

    , @Anon
    @Jane Plain

    That, and probably his life doesn’t bear public scrutiny. And he’s media savvy, like a smart activist. That’s why he immediately backed off, lamenting her firing.

    He can conceal better than most the hostility that drives him.

    , @DextersLabRat
    @Jane Plain

    Smart. He got the attention, media profile, I'm sure career opportunities have already been thrown his way, and now he's bowing out of the witch hunt before he overstays his welcome and it turns against him.

    Look out for this one. He's had one taste of having the whip hand in the media. He'll want another, it's a bit like a serial killer mentality. But this one's particularly dangerous because he's clearly savvy enough to know when to back down, he may even have an innate understanding that the left always eat their own. As of now black men seem to be rather immune, but that may change, particularly since he's gay so black women, who are on top of the pyramid right now, may not have much sympathy for him.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  152. @Not Only Wrathful
    Calling the police is "a shameless display entitlement, privilege and racism", and it has nothing to do with being vulnerable to criminal predations.

    Interesting.

    Replies: @Aardvark, @Brutus Antifederlist

    Privilege…

    Courtesy of dictionary.com:

    a right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most:
    the privileges of the very rich.

    Is the ability to report suspicious behavior to the police only granted to white women? No.
    Can less than rich women of any color report suspicious behavior to the police? Yes.

    a special right, immunity, or exemption granted to persons in authority or office to free them from certain obligations or liabilities:
    the privilege of a senator to speak in Congress without danger of a libel suit.

    Does this apply to white women generically? No.

    a grant to an individual, corporation, etc., of a special right or immunity, under certain conditions.
    the principle or condition of enjoying special rights or immunities.

    Does this apply to white women generically? No. It is not a special right to report suspicious behavior to the police.

  153. @Space Ghost
    Believe women, they said. Unless it's a white woman talking about a Black™ man. Then, don't believe women.

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild, @Dissident

    For years, many in the Fathers’ Rights camp were subjected to the wrath of endless near-Wall, Wall and Post-Wall wives–watching their lives, relationship with their children, and finances ruined by family courts. These courts were based upon the premise, quite literally, that white women deserved to be taken care of, first and fore most–forever–by whomever it would be that needed to do it (husbands, exes, boyfriends, the court-daddies, child support offices, teams of attorneys). An entire state and cultural apparatus was set up to please white women. Did some other women of other colors benefit from this same system? Sure, but their numbers were small compared to white women, when it came to payouts/settlements, alimony, huge child support orders.

    Some in the same Fathers’ Rights camps, who were more racially inclined/sensitive, saw a larger conspiracy behind the push to have white women divorce, and create this battle of the sexes. Those same people, correctly, predicted this day would come–this Day of the Karen. While white women were mocking their husbands, ex-husbands, men in the workplace, their own sons, brothers and fathers, the Left/progs were quietly (at first) preparing for this era. It has now arrived.

    Very few white men over the age of 30 are going to care. Period. It happened so fast, there is no time for white men to regroup, with white women and come up with a joint effort to walk any of this back. It’s literally every white for him/herself.

    Lastly: Said it before, say it again There will be no election in Nov.

  154. @Kyle
    Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again. I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range. Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    Replies: @Not my Economy, @P. Berg, @peterike, @anon, @Obee, @Jack D, @epebble

    Not if you’re a member of Porcellian or Fly, for sure.

  155. @Mr. Anon

    How the ‘Karen Meme’ Confronts the Violent History of White Womanhood
     
    Whereas the history of Chinese Womanhood isn't violent at all *cough* Wu Zeitan *cough* Madame Mao *cough*.

    Carrying on the awards-show theme, when will white women arrive at that inverse Sally Fields realization about a lot of POC: "You hate me. You really hate me."

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SunBakedSuburb, @flyingtiger

    “You hate me. You really hate me.”

    I believe (hope) that the past few weeks have been an eye-opener for normal whites. The sheer volume of hatred directed at whites far exceeds the previous culture war skirmishes. Maybe even the white men jonesing from their cancelled corporate sports opiate were able to notice. Probably not. I wasn’t alarmed by the predictable black outpouring of venom. I was startled by the insane energy of the self-hating white cult kids. Victims of the cultural Marxist programming in public schools. The future administrators of the new anti-racist utopia. I’m glad my kid isn’t an American.

  156. @anonymous

    I suspect white women are pretty clueless about this kind of racist anti-white women backstabbing by women of other races who want to take their men.
     
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CCWIq9NgfLV/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    If only White people thought in terms of “herd immunity” and started carrying hammers like Black women. That way, they could ‘hammer away’ at their attackers en mass and put an end to this.

    [8:24]

  157. @alaska3636
    Google is gaslighting.

    From first definition of "racist" that appears:

    noun: racist; plural noun: racists
    a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
    "the comments have led to her being called a racist"

    All your feels tell me everything I need to know about you, racist.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “Google is gaslighting”

    It’s included in their corporate mission statement. And the crazy white cult kids are fine with it.

  158. @Anonymous
    Getting Karens to shut the hell up would be the only good thing BLM could accomplish.

    I have only--ONLY--ever been harrassed in public for no reason by middle aged white women. they are absolutely insanely drunk with power and oblivious to any consequences for acting like dictators of grocery store parking lots or whatever. Its honestly stunning and they need to start acting like real human beings. At least in public--i dont care what kind of abuse they dish out to their pathetic husbands in their own homes.

    Karens are also, obviously, outright terrorists in the workplace.

    Fuck them.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Up2Drew, @throtler, @S. Anonyia

    Women routinely shoot off their mouths in public because they have enjoyed the security (historically) of not being smacked in response. I have always considered this exploitative of their societal status. Cowardly, even.

    When a guy calls another guy out in public there is a nonzero chance he may get hit.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Up2Drew

    "When a guy calls another guy out in public there is a nonzero chance he may get hit."

    Even true in late Victorian Britain, though no shanking or popping of caps.


    "Two lovely black eyes!
    Oh! what a surprise!
    Only for telling a man he was wrong,
    Two lovely black eyes!"
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxoesda-QK0
    , @Joseph Doaks
    @Up2Drew

    "Women routinely shoot off their mouths in public because they have enjoyed the security (historically) of not being smacked in response."

    This is a basic unfairness in our society: women can scream at, name call and even hit men but the equality that feminists claim does not extend to men reacting in kind.

  159. So what do we call all those whiny, snooty, anti-White racist, Jewish elitist “women” who are always talking about anti-Semitism, racism, and muh “holocaust.” Should we call them Fran or Joan because so many sound like Fran Drescher or Joan Rivers when they “tawk?” Should we call them Ghislane? How is Ghislane doing by the way? Should we call them Sarah Bernhardt because so many look like Sarah Bernhardt and so many despise white women the way Sarah Bernhardt hated Sarah Palin. Remember long ago when (((Bernhardt))) did a “comedy routine” in front of a majority Jewish audience in Washington., D.C., where she thought that it would be funny if Palin was gang raped by two of her African American “brothas?” Come on, people, think back, you do remember this display of hate, do you not?

    • Replies: @Joe Joe
    @Trinity

    Sandra Bernhardt, not Sarah

    , @Ragno
    @Trinity


    So what do we call all those whiny, snooty, anti-White racist, Jewish elitist “women” who are always talking about anti-Semitism, racism, and muh “holocaust.” Should we call them Fran or Joan because so many sound like Fran Drescher or Joan Rivers when they “tawk?” Should we call them Ghislane?
     
    Cut out the middle-man and just call 'em Hadassahs. Not much wiggle-room for kill-me-last 'interpretation' there. "Esther" is good, too - especially if pronounced Es-TA. "Shulamith" might be overkill, though.

    Should we call them Sarah Bernhardt because so many look like Sarah Bernhardt and so many despise white women the way Sarah Bernhardt hated Sarah Palin.
     
    Since the hag you're thinking of is Sandra Berrnhardt, and calling her Sarah Bernhardt is probably the fondest wish of her reptilian black heart, I'd say: no. No, don't call her that.
  160. @Not my Economy
    @Kyle

    >Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    It’ll still get you an online only tier 1 banking job so yes.

    They’re taking off the mask and flexing. It’s pure credentialism and what are you gonna do about it?

    I think more colleges will follow suit on online only, because they can wind down spending on facilities and direct even more money to administrator compensation. Get rid of all those decent paying often union white guy jobs that enable the existence of townies. College towns become playgrounds for the telecommuting professors/admins, with nobody else.

    The only institutional reason against online-only is professors expect to have sex with their students and that would be harder to do remotely.

    Replies: @SimpleSong

    I agree. At some point maybe they’ll just start charging for the acceptance letter, which is the only unique thing of value they provide at this point. Actual attendance will be optional.

  161. @Mr. Anon
    @Corvinus


    BOTH genders seek out those candidates who will ensure they will get that “safety net” and “money for industries”.
     
    They are called "sexes", you stupid idiot. Sexes. There are two of them. It's a biological category. As f**ktards like you are fond of saying (while not actually subscribing to) "Science is Real".

    Replies: @botazefa

    They are called “sexes”, you stupid idiot.

    Maybe corvinus considers gender to be synonymous with sex. Maybe he hasn’t fallen for the new definition.

    Are we going to start an argument here that gender is different than sex? Is this The Atlantic?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @botazefa


    Are we going to start an argument here that gender is different than sex?
     
    I don't think there's much of anything to argue. Sex is a biological reality. Gender is a grammatical construct.
  162. @RichardTaylor
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You do realize Southerners didn't import the Africans, right?

    And if what you're saying is right, and other Old Yankee stock were concerned about too many Africans, then the proper action would have been to let the South go.

    But of course, that wasn't the issue.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @kikz, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D

    This has nothing to do with morality or abolitionism or ….

    1. South economy was a monocultural economy without any future. Then, it seemed to be of huge importance, but this all “cotton was the king” was one of those history-economy’s huge jokes. South did not have real cities, modernity, invention, electricity, manufacture,…nothing. A feudal dump with nighurs, like Brazil. The entire deep South society was a feudal morass.

    2. it is popular to argue about states’ rights etc. etc.- but the Civil war was solely & exclusively about slavery & nighurs. In fact, slave states wanted to expand their “peculiar institution” further west & north, which would be, in reality, a white man’s suicide.

    What did those morons think? That blacks will remain obedient forever, like cattle? They had the example of Haiti- and had not learned a bit from it. Expel all blacks or they will eventually devour you. If you base your economy on them, either as slaves or freedmen- you are doomed.

    3. if the South had seceded a few decades before, they would overflow their land with Negroes & would end up, eventually, as a second Haiti, with virtually all whites exterminated.

    Lincoln not only saved the Union. He saved Southern whites from their own self-destructive idiocy.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Lincoln not only saved the Union. He saved Southern whites from their own self-destructive idiocy.
     
    Lincoln did not kill 700,000 White Americans because he loved them so much. The North was not concerned with "helping" the South and quite openly hated it (I'm talking the Old Yankees, not the Irish, Italians, Germans and Polish).

    Is this about trying to salvage the reputation of your sacred ancestors? Look, those people, as a group, were as anti-White as anything we see today. Maybe more so.
  163. @Anonymous
    @Whiskey


    White women have spent their entire lives from being adorable and thus spoiled little girls to hot chicks and thus spoiled beyond belief just feeling not thinking.
     
    How much experience do you have with white women? How many romantic relationships have you had with them?

    Incel says what?

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Quite a lot. I would say there is a huge generational shift in White women around the late 1990s. I don’t know what it is. But there is a huge difference. Look at BLM rallies. Nearly all White women.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Whiskey


    I would say there is a huge generational shift in White women around the late 1990s.
     
    (De) GenX women came of age in high school and college. I grew up in rural, Main Street USA and I'm amazed how many women I grew up with are total Libtards.

    Look at BLM rallies. Nearly all White women.
     
    Yup, and not just the fat and ugly ones. Anyone who denies it is peddling cope.
    , @Neoconned
    @Whiskey

    Im sitting outside in the shade now at work. Its 95F with 100% humidity. Feels like Phoenix only with more sweat.

    Down here in this giant humid armpit the white girls used to have a stigma about "dating black"....of course they don't date nerdy black dudes....just thugs...

    But around the mid 1990s to late 90s it became hip to have a black bf. Only marginal white girls and fugly/fatties did it at 1st but it slowly expanded. Now its real hip. Im being serious....in my old high school alma meter the blond cheerleaders date black football players. This has to stop....amd fast. White girls literally dont grow on trees....every one taken off the market by the "thug bug" that makes them tingle or the stds or the bastard kids they have makes them less desirable than a 300 lb 35 yr old latina. At least if you have relations w her you won't get the Clap or genitalia warts....

  164. @RichardTaylor
    @syonredux


    Just imagine what the USA would look like if the Southern elite had decided to ship their slaves to Liberia back in the 1830s…..
     
    Imagine if they had seceded back in the 1840s. They couldn't have stopped us and we wouldn't have had to deal with a military that killed 700,000 White people.

    Can't you troll a bit better to justify the genocide of Whites?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @syonredux

    Imagine if they had seceded back in the 1840s.

    So, in your ideal alternate history, the South contains millions of Blacks. In contrast, in my ideal alternate history, the South has virtually no Blacks. I like my timeline better.

    They couldn’t have stopped us

    That’s very unlikely.

    and we wouldn’t have had to deal with a military that killed 700,000 White people.

    Again, my scenario also avoids war, and it gets rid of millions of Blacks.

    Can’t you troll a bit better to justify the genocide of Whites?

    You wanna talk about advocating the destruction of the White race in Anglo-America, then look to John C “Crazy as a Bedbug” Calhoun:

    That was a guy who actually thought that antebellum South Carolina was the perfect human society. In 1860, South Carolina had a Black majority:301,302 Whites* vs 402,406 Blacks……How sick does a White man have to be to actually think that that is the beau ideal……

    *The 301,302 figure technically refers to the number of free people in the state.Since there were free Blacks in SC (Not too many though, as free Blacks never exceeded two percent of the Black population), that means that the White population was actually lower than 301,302…..

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @syonredux


    John C “Crazy as a Bedbug” Calhoun...


    That was a guy who actually thought that antebellum South Carolina was the perfect human society. In 1860, South Carolina had a Black majority:301,302 Whites* vs 402,406 Blacks……How sick does a White man have to be to actually think that that is the beau ideal……
     
    Perhaps Minneapolis, the "City of Lakes", was right in taking his name off their premier one, now Bde Maka Ska. Ironically, the city is blacker than ever, approaching 20%. Many of these are East Africans, though, not descended from Calhoun's beloved pets. Some are Liberians, whose ancestors decamped.
    , @Anonymous
    @syonredux


    So, in your ideal alternate history, the South contains millions of Blacks. In contrast, in my ideal alternate history, the South has virtually no Black
     
    That was never an option and you must know that.

    The whole driving force of northern public opinion was that Black people were poor oppressed victims who deserved help. That’s what Uncle Tom’s Cabin was all about. That’s why union troops died and killed.

    That’s why after the brutal war, the north put blacks in charge in many governorships and congress seats.

    This is a rather dishonest argument on your part. See

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

  165. @Ganderson
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre

    Every
    Day
    I
    Need
    Attention
    https://youtu.be/RvU_Zhe8tpw

    Replies: @borgy

    I’m from Wisconsin worked in Minnesota at a hospital as an Ultrasound tech in the 90’s . Every other Wed, had to go to a clinic in Edina. I remember an x-ray tech saying “Going to see the cake eaters today huh” I Did not even know what he meant at the time lol.

  166. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Yep. Remember Obama's "Life of Julia" where Julia sucks on the government teat from cradle to grave? This has been going on in the ghetto for many decades but now white American females are being blackified.

    Women enjoy being mothers (if not to human children then at least to their pets) but being wives not so much. Demands for sex when you don't feel like having sex. Dirty underwear on the floor and unwashed dishes. The majority of divorces are initiated by women. The problem with marriage is that it has both benefits and burdens. So if you can get government to provide the benefits then you can skip the marriage and skip the burdens.

    A close second is a divorce - same deal. Your ex-husband still has to provide (financial) benefits but you no longer have any obligations to him. Women's suffrage has allowed them to control government to the point where the dice are loaded in their favor. Men (especially men with assets or income, i.e. not black men) get screwed by the tax system and the legal system. Someone like Bezos doesn't care because he has more billions than he could spend in 10 lifetimes but for a middle class guy living on the edge, this tilt is enough to send them over the precipice.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @JMcG, @sayless, @Corvinus

    “(if not to human children then at least to their pets)”

    Dog-Moms. White men, and a pathetic lot they are, don’t seem to have a problem with the DM’s anthropomorphization of dogs because they share this affliction. Now young white couples send out birth notices when they buy a puppy. Darwin was right: Dogs are nature’s most successful parasites.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Dogs are great (if you're not in a city), but better to get one AFTER you have kids.

    They're also like children in that you appreciate them a lot more when you have one of your own.


    "There is sorrow enough in the natural way
    From men and women to fill our day;
    And when we are certain of sorrow in store,
    Why do we always arrange for more?
    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
    "
     
    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_dog.htm

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous

  167. We’ll be right back to propagandize the vital importance of the CAREN Act after this important PSA:

    Remember…..if you see something – SAY NOTHING.

    Who cares if people get raped or killed, or large buildings blow up? Whitey got it coming! ‘Sides, you don’t wanna violate the Caren Act, do you? Well, do you…..bitch?

    Remember – snitches get stitches. So keep your mouth shut.

    Brought to you by the Open Society Foundation.

    It’s inevitable, but the next legislative wrinkle is going to have to be some gigantic fine or tax liability for whites moving from high-minority blue states to low-minority red ones. Thus far, these types of draconian penalties only exist for whites attempting to expatriate altogether (the next time some Hannity type tries preening that everybody’s trying to come here – but nobody’s in any hurry to leave – do a little research on what it’s going to cost you to leave if you intend on taking your life savings with you. You’ll gain a whole new perspective on why the door only seems to swing one way), but – given the George Floyd Fallout Factor – don’t expect to be allowed to relocate within the continental US the way you would’ve been, in that far-off fairy-tale kingdom known as Two Months Ago.

    And PLEASE! – don’t waste your breath with the it can’t happen here because of our Constitutionally-protected yada-yada-yada argument. If 2020 has taught us anything, it’s that it CAN happen here – and the less you want it to come to pass, the more certain that it WILL.

  168. @c matt
    @ABDOULAYE Pierre


    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002
     
    See, there's the difference. You have not been steeped in anti-Americanism from birth the way only American institutions can do.

    Replies: @Pop Warner

    But his mutt kids will be, they’ll grow up hating whitey and their race traitor mother will probably encourage it

    • Agree: duncsbaby
  169. @RichardTaylor
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You do realize Southerners didn't import the Africans, right?

    And if what you're saying is right, and other Old Yankee stock were concerned about too many Africans, then the proper action would have been to let the South go.

    But of course, that wasn't the issue.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @kikz, @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D

    You do realize Southerners didn’t import the Africans, right?

    First of all, this is wrong. There were plenty of Southerners involved with the slave trade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clotilda_(slave_ship)#:~:text=The%20schooner%20Clotilda%20(often%20misspelled,%2C%20with%20110%E2%80%93160%20slaves.

    2nd, even if some of the slave traders were Yankees, if Southerners were not interested in purchasing human labor on an economical a one-time you own it for life basis instead of the more expensive rental option, the slave traders would not have had anyone to sell to. The fact that some of their fellow Yankees were involved with the trade does not negate the opposition of other Yankees who, to their credit, recognized quite early on that owning other humans was just plain wrong.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D



    You do realize Southerners didn’t import the Africans, right?
     
    First of all, this is wrong.
     
    The crackers were the junkies, not the pushers.
    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    So you feel like it was justified to kill 750,000 white people for the sake of your poor black brothers?

    , @Jane Plain
    @Jack D

    The Clotilda was owned by a guy from Maine. But yeah, most of the trading was done by Southerners. All of the businesses in Richmond that dealt with the trade were run by native Southerners.

  170. In retrospect I think the correct response to Bird Cooper by Amy (Karen) Cooper should have been the quintessential NYC statement “F*ck you and the horse you rode in on”. At that point she should walk away. Never explain yours. Never get caught by the enemy videoing you.

  171. @Mr McKenna
    @Reg Cæsar

    You of all people surely know that dashes and hyphens are opposite in meaning and function!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You of all people surely know that dashes and hyphens are opposite in meaning and function!

    I must have had unconscious reservations about using hyphen for a post about white women.

    Why is a hyphen like a hymen?

    You’re never really married till it’s gone!

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    @Reg Cæsar

    Did you just make that joke up, Reg? It’s like something that would come out of Frank Gorshen in a blooper real of the old Batman TV show. You’ve got a real comedic talent.

    I do want to note that the punchline is a strange amalgam of modern and retro ideas about marriage. I wonder whether ours might be the last generation capable of appreciating it?

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Reg Cæsar

  172. I miss this commentary. Best stuff since Roissy was cancelled.

  173. @Trinity
    It is good to know that we are starting to see more and more "Karens" out there, although me thinks the NYC "Karen" was scripted by (((you know who))) and many of these "Karens" might be scripted.

    Anyhow, maybe some of these "Karens" are like Coca Cola the REAL THANG, and if they are, I salute you with a Roman Salute. Hail Karen!! Goodness knows with all the neutered White males around nowadays, some White women had to nut up themselves because their men are such lames.

    The only woman that even comes close to a "Karen" is a hot tamale senorita, but don't worry darlin' I'm keepin' it a hunnert with the 14 words cuz I be 10 toes down with pure Ivory. No Yellow Fever with this white boy and I definitely don't have any Jungle Love or want to taste any brown suga'. Word.

    What is the proper name for all those butt ugly and obese white girls who I see protesting with BLM and Antifa? What do we call those beasts? I call them white traitor trash, but what would be a good name?

    Replies: @mmack, @Dryheavz

    • Thanks: Trinity
  174. @Jane Plain
    @RichardTaylor

    Yes they did - until 1808 and even illegally, thereafter.

    And after the war, no less a Confederate than Nathan Bedford Forrest proposed importing Africans to the South, because they were the "only laboring class we've ever had."

    Look it right up in the bio by Jack Hurst. It's obviously towards the end, because it happened after the war. Use the phrase "laboring class" in the Kindle "look inside feature."

    As for shipping 'em back in the 1830s, that wasn't going to happen because it was around that time that cotton became "King Cotton" and the price of slaves accordingly began to shoot through the roof.

    If you were a strapped farmer in Virginia, suddenly your wealth became those prime age hands, who could get you out of debt quickly. As for the rest, figure it out yourselves.

    There was never a crazier, more self-defeating situation than slavery in the US. We are saddled with its consequences.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @RichardTaylor

    There was never a crazier, more self-defeating situation than slavery in the US. We are saddled with its consequences.

    Post 1965 immigration is definitely crazier and more self-defeating than slavery ever was. Giving the nation away through demographic change is suicidal. I’m no fan of slavery or the antebellum aristocracy of the South, but they were not able to destroy the nation. Would an actual civil war save America at this point?

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @OilcanFloyd

    Stick to the damn subject, will you?

    We were discussing slavery.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

  175. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor


    You do realize Southerners didn’t import the Africans, right?
     
    First of all, this is wrong. There were plenty of Southerners involved with the slave trade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clotilda_(slave_ship)#:~:text=The%20schooner%20Clotilda%20(often%20misspelled,%2C%20with%20110%E2%80%93160%20slaves.

    2nd, even if some of the slave traders were Yankees, if Southerners were not interested in purchasing human labor on an economical a one-time you own it for life basis instead of the more expensive rental option, the slave traders would not have had anyone to sell to. The fact that some of their fellow Yankees were involved with the trade does not negate the opposition of other Yankees who, to their credit, recognized quite early on that owning other humans was just plain wrong.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Jane Plain

    You do realize Southerners didn’t import the Africans, right?

    First of all, this is wrong.

    The crackers were the junkies, not the pushers.

  176. @JohnPlywood
    @Whiskey


    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.
     
    Seething white female detected. White men are the champions, white women a genetic dead end:


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png

    https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.png

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @The Wild Geese Howard, @throtler, @Twinkie, @SunBakedSuburb, @Bert

    Well, we know of at least one black woman who prefers white guys:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilhan_Omar#Personal_life

  177. Will Hunting proved Harvard degrees were worthless way back in 1997:

    “Do you have any original thoughts of your own on this matter?”

  178. @AceDeuce
    Ironically, Carolyn Bryant didn't tell her husband or police about when the feral beast Till sexually assaulted her.

    Her husband was out of town for work for a few days when it happened. She wasn't going to say anything when he got back. She was afraid to tell him because of what he might do to any man who assaulted her like that. Mr Bryant had served as a hand to hand combat instructor in the service during WW2, and his half brother, Mr. Milam, was so big that that was his nickname: "Big" Milam.

    That c olored boy had picked the wrong woman to try and mess with.

    Anyway a local adult male negro, who was in the store when it happened and witnessed Till's monkeyshines, told Mr. Bryant when he got back.

    As far as court, she testified in private, and the judge ruled it inadmissible, so the jury never heard it.

    The judge did that because the media, from all over, was down there, and he (rightly) figured the jury was already going to find the two white men not guilty--this would have made the deliberation time about 30 seconds-plus, if made public, the white folks in Mississippi might have went buck wild on neegros, and of course, the sordid details were embarrassing to Mrs. Bryant, so the less said the better. They already had a sympathetic jury, why give the media any more propaganda.

    She told the truth when she testified, and she didn't recant it, either.

    Replies: @Cortes

    The “Vinnie would kill him” line from the hostess party Karen attends in “Goodfellas” is a great illustration of how women can use reticence to protect clueless people who transgress:

  179. @SimpleSong
    At this point in history, white women sorta remind me of Celeste at the end of Mystic River . (spoiler alert) She sold out her husband for, basically, a pat on the head from the local powers that be, and a sense that she 'did the right thing.' Of course she was an idiot, her husband was actually completely innocent, but he got whacked, and now she and her son are alone and their future looks quite bleak. White men are pretty much out of power these days and one of the downstream effects of that is that the future is starting to look rather bleak for white women. Particularly those over 35.

    Not that anybody seems to be wising up. About 3 times per week in the last month I've had some baizuo at work start droning on unprompted about white privilege and black lives matter and orange man bad. I don't know why they think I would be interested in hearing their soliloquy. At least where I'm at, all the BLM marchers are primarily white women. In academia they tended to be the smiling enforcers (but not the originators) of all the anti-white male policies.

    Yes, I know, not all women, and I know that white women voted for Trump by a slim majority. But if you compare that to the voting patterns of, for example, black women... not exactly rock ribbed allies of white men.

    That's not to say that it's their fault; women just tend to go along with the zeitgeist, and the zeitgeist as anti-white male right now. The types of arguments they find persuasive tend to be appeals to authority. They put a lot of stock in whether a source appears to be reputable and less on its actual content. None of these things are necessarily bad, if the zeitgeist is healthy, and the authorities are acting in good faith they are good heuristics. Unfortunately neither of those things is true now.

    Overall, taking political and economic power away from women (of all races) would be a net positive for whites, but I've generally found that even very pro-white women, when faced with this trade off, will choose gender over race.

    So be it! Bring forth the Asians!

    Replies: @Anon, @anon, @Black-hole creator, @Jake

    Thanks, I mostly agree with you.

    “Mystic River” was a good movie and “what of kind woman says those things about her husband” was indeed one of its memorable moments. But pretty much nobody thinks like that nowadays, not out loud. Times have changed.

    And thanks for the new word: Baizuo.

  180. @Trinity
    It is good to know that we are starting to see more and more "Karens" out there, although me thinks the NYC "Karen" was scripted by (((you know who))) and many of these "Karens" might be scripted.

    Anyhow, maybe some of these "Karens" are like Coca Cola the REAL THANG, and if they are, I salute you with a Roman Salute. Hail Karen!! Goodness knows with all the neutered White males around nowadays, some White women had to nut up themselves because their men are such lames.

    The only woman that even comes close to a "Karen" is a hot tamale senorita, but don't worry darlin' I'm keepin' it a hunnert with the 14 words cuz I be 10 toes down with pure Ivory. No Yellow Fever with this white boy and I definitely don't have any Jungle Love or want to taste any brown suga'. Word.

    What is the proper name for all those butt ugly and obese white girls who I see protesting with BLM and Antifa? What do we call those beasts? I call them white traitor trash, but what would be a good name?

    Replies: @mmack, @Dryheavz

    Refrigerator Karen?

  181. @Kyle
    Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again. I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range. Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    Replies: @Not my Economy, @P. Berg, @peterike, @anon, @Obee, @Jack D, @epebble

    I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range.

    Very very low. In my county of 800,000 people, out of 800 Covid-attributed deaths, 0 have been of people under 30 , 0 white people under 40 and 3 white people under 50. Not only are the risks small for the 18-25 range they are small for the entire 0-50 range. The group that has suffered the most deaths is the 80-89 group followed by the over 90 group.

    Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    Short answer is no. There have been online Harvard courses available on the internet for years – the market price of such courses is zero. A supervised, graded online course that gets you a diploma at the end is worth somewhat more but nowhere close to $50,000/yr, which amounts to $5 or $6 thousand dollars/course. The campus experience is about much more than the 10% of your time that is spent in a classroom. Even if an online course was equivalent to an in-person course (it isn’t) you deserve a 90% discount for the other 90% of your time when you won’t be partaking in the Harvard experience.

    Those who foresee this as the end of college are wrong. With or without a vaccine, people are not going to be willing to stop their lives forever. The lockdowns can be sustained for a few months, maybe a year but beyond that people will say that they would rather risk death (a small risk – see above) than spend the rest of their life locked up. Whichever (prestigious) college offers the full campus experience will have the advantage over those who refuse and the others will all cave and follow the leader. After the election, Covid will disappear as a political issue as will the need to destroy the economy in order to prevent Trump’s reelection.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @anon
    @Jack D

    Those who foresee this as the end of college are wrong.

    Who has made such a prediction? Where can I see it?

    Some colleges are not going to survive the next few years due to demographics. I wager that any number of small liberal arts schools are borderline right now due to financial issues.

    What's an online degree in English Lit & Creative Writing from a 4th tier .edu worth?

    With or without a vaccine, people are not going to be willing to stop their lives forever. The lockdowns can be sustained for a few months, maybe a year but beyond that people will say that they would rather risk death (a small risk – see above) than spend the rest of their life locked up

    False dichotomy. A whole lot of .edu's will be running classes this fall with smaller class size in larger rooms, partial online content, and so forth. Plus after the Thanksgiving break many, many .edu's will go to all online, continuing that into January and early Feb. That's not either of the extremes you posit, but it is reality.

    Whichever (prestigious) college offers the full campus experience will have the advantage over those who refuse and the others will all cave and follow the leader.

    Maybe. I'm informed that Cornell plans to go back to full face to face courses this fall. We'll see how that works out.

    After the election, Covid will disappear as a political issue as will the need to destroy the economy in order to prevent Trump’s reelection.

    lol. What a provincial and simplistic viewpoint!

    , @peterike
    @Jack D


    After the election, Covid will disappear as a political issue as will the need to destroy the economy in order to prevent Trump’s reelection.
     
    Only if Trump loses. If Trump wins, they will keep the Covid Panic going, if only out of spite. Just watch. (But I don't think Trump's going to win.)
  182. @syonredux
    @RichardTaylor


    Imagine if they had seceded back in the 1840s.
     
    So, in your ideal alternate history, the South contains millions of Blacks. In contrast, in my ideal alternate history, the South has virtually no Blacks. I like my timeline better.

    They couldn’t have stopped us
     
    That's very unlikely.

    and we wouldn’t have had to deal with a military that killed 700,000 White people.
     
    Again, my scenario also avoids war, and it gets rid of millions of Blacks.

    Can’t you troll a bit better to justify the genocide of Whites?
     
    You wanna talk about advocating the destruction of the White race in Anglo-America, then look to John C "Crazy as a Bedbug" Calhoun:


    http://sites.psu.edu/interestinghistory/wp-content/uploads/sites/6816/2013/10/John-C-Calhoun.jpg


    That was a guy who actually thought that antebellum South Carolina was the perfect human society. In 1860, South Carolina had a Black majority:301,302 Whites* vs 402,406 Blacks......How sick does a White man have to be to actually think that that is the beau ideal......


    *The 301,302 figure technically refers to the number of free people in the state.Since there were free Blacks in SC (Not too many though, as free Blacks never exceeded two percent of the Black population), that means that the White population was actually lower than 301,302.....

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    John C “Crazy as a Bedbug” Calhoun…

    That was a guy who actually thought that antebellum South Carolina was the perfect human society. In 1860, South Carolina had a Black majority:301,302 Whites* vs 402,406 Blacks……How sick does a White man have to be to actually think that that is the beau ideal……

    Perhaps Minneapolis, the “City of Lakes”, was right in taking his name off their premier one, now Bde Maka Ska. Ironically, the city is blacker than ever, approaching 20%. Many of these are East Africans, though, not descended from Calhoun’s beloved pets. Some are Liberians, whose ancestors decamped.

  183. Our learned and gracious host Steve explained back in 2011 that black women really want black men, not white men (nor latino nor asian) [genuine iSteve link]. Latino, South- and East-Asian, and white women may prefer white men, but black women don’t.

    Black women probably have two motives to attack “Karens.”

    First, they wish to protect “their” black men no matter what. No black woman wants a black man jailed or fined– either reduces his ability to gratify a black woman. Of course, when “Karen” or “Becky” calls the cops, 99% of the time she has a valid complaint and the black man deserves to be punished. Black women trying to silence “Karens” are just like all those black grandmothers wailing in courthouse corridors that their felonious descendants are innocent victims of racist frame-ups. (Black women don’t care what crimes black men commit against white women or anyone else. Black women expect black men to be violent and dishonest and believe that if they have to accept that then the rest of society should too.)

    Second, black women hate white women for “stealing all the good black men.” It’s not that black women want white men, it is that they don’t want to yield any black men to white women. (Everyone knows that the most “eligible” black men are the mostly likely to pair up with non-black women.) Attacking “Karen” or “Becky” is a socially-approved attack on white women in general because preventing white women from summoning the police makes them much more vulnerable to black criminals. For every “Karen” deterred from calling the cops, three or four or ten white women will suffer an assault or other harm because the assailant wasn’t arrested at the opportune moment. Silencing “Karen” has a tremendous multiplier effect on black crime.

    • Agree: Patrick in SC
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Veracitor


    Second, black women hate white women for “stealing all the good black men.” It’s not that black women want white men, it is that they don’t want to yield any black men to white women. (Everyone knows that the most “eligible” black men are the mostly likely to pair up with non-black women.)
     
    This may be true but it has nothing to do with the anti-Karen, don't call the police movement. Karens are usually either already married (to a white guy) or else living with their cats/dogs (like Central Park Karen) and not stealing anyone's men, black or white.

    Replies: @Veracitor

    , @Marty
    @Veracitor

    I was a “Karen” a couple of years ago. I noticed a black woman park in a handicapped spot sans placard - probably the most common way that blacks give the finger to straight society. So, knowing the county was revenue hungry, I called the authority, and they arrived quick. I parked around the block where I could view the reaction. After the ticket, that driver spent some time looking around trying to identify who dropped the dime. Likely she would would have called in a posse.

    , @Jane Plain
    @Veracitor

    Black women were front and center demonstrating in front of the courthouse during the Central Park Jogger case.

    An Erin (Sarah Burns, Ken's daughter) made the "Central Park 5" into martyrs. After that, a black woman, Ava DuVernay, made them into stars with the help of a Chad, Reed Hastings, CEO of Netflix.

    As Steve chivalrously hints, white women aren't too smart on the uptake when it comes to racial hostility, but they might wake up if the mob comes for little Timmy, Karen's son.

  184. A disproportionate number of “Karens” I’ve known have actually been named Allison.

    • LOL: bruce county
  185. @Old and Grumpy
    @anonymous

    No, they won't. To flip sides would mean admitting to being wrong.

    Replies: @jsm

    Well, they won’t tell YOU.. but in the privacy of the voting booth, is another matter.

  186. anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Kyle


    I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range.
     
    Very very low. In my county of 800,000 people, out of 800 Covid-attributed deaths, 0 have been of people under 30 , 0 white people under 40 and 3 white people under 50. Not only are the risks small for the 18-25 range they are small for the entire 0-50 range. The group that has suffered the most deaths is the 80-89 group followed by the over 90 group.

    Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?
     
    Short answer is no. There have been online Harvard courses available on the internet for years - the market price of such courses is zero. A supervised, graded online course that gets you a diploma at the end is worth somewhat more but nowhere close to $50,000/yr, which amounts to $5 or $6 thousand dollars/course. The campus experience is about much more than the 10% of your time that is spent in a classroom. Even if an online course was equivalent to an in-person course (it isn't) you deserve a 90% discount for the other 90% of your time when you won't be partaking in the Harvard experience.

    Those who foresee this as the end of college are wrong. With or without a vaccine, people are not going to be willing to stop their lives forever. The lockdowns can be sustained for a few months, maybe a year but beyond that people will say that they would rather risk death (a small risk - see above) than spend the rest of their life locked up. Whichever (prestigious) college offers the full campus experience will have the advantage over those who refuse and the others will all cave and follow the leader. After the election, Covid will disappear as a political issue as will the need to destroy the economy in order to prevent Trump's reelection.

    Replies: @anon, @peterike

    Those who foresee this as the end of college are wrong.

    Who has made such a prediction? Where can I see it?

    Some colleges are not going to survive the next few years due to demographics. I wager that any number of small liberal arts schools are borderline right now due to financial issues.

    What’s an online degree in English Lit & Creative Writing from a 4th tier .edu worth?

    With or without a vaccine, people are not going to be willing to stop their lives forever. The lockdowns can be sustained for a few months, maybe a year but beyond that people will say that they would rather risk death (a small risk – see above) than spend the rest of their life locked up

    False dichotomy. A whole lot of .edu’s will be running classes this fall with smaller class size in larger rooms, partial online content, and so forth. Plus after the Thanksgiving break many, many .edu’s will go to all online, continuing that into January and early Feb. That’s not either of the extremes you posit, but it is reality.

    Whichever (prestigious) college offers the full campus experience will have the advantage over those who refuse and the others will all cave and follow the leader.

    Maybe. I’m informed that Cornell plans to go back to full face to face courses this fall. We’ll see how that works out.

    After the election, Covid will disappear as a political issue as will the need to destroy the economy in order to prevent Trump’s reelection.

    lol. What a provincial and simplistic viewpoint!

  187. Anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    @ “I suspect white women are pretty clueless about this kind of racist anti-white women backstabbing by women of other races who want to take their men.“

    Well, I’ll grant that’s true and suppose you mean to say white men are not clueless. So what were the fathers, and brothers and manly white husbands DOING? Don’t white men feel any responsibility to clue in their women? Or did they decide to throw those dumb females to the dogs?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8463337/Michigan-GOP-candidate-blames-socialist-universities-daughter-begs-not-vote-him.html

    Irresponsible is way worse than clueless, IMO.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anon

    So what were the fathers, and brothers and manly white husbands DOING?

    Why, what they were told to do by their precious strong, independent, "you GO girl" partners and daughters, of course. Anything else would be wrong! And maybe abusive!

    All part of the ending of that horrible scourge called "patriarchy" that women screeched about for 50 years. How's it working out so far?

  188. @Random Passer By
    @Nicholas Stix

    >Does “see off” mean “recognize,” or “are blind to”?

    To defend from an attacker.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘>Does “see off” mean “recognize,” or “are blind to”?

    To defend from an attacker.’

    Exactly. As an obviously no-longer-young-but decidedly-not-decrepit white male of good size and in reasonable shape, I don’t exactly seek out physical confrontations with blacks, but if one approaches me in a menacing fashion, I can be reasonably discouraging.

    I don’t think most women can say the same. In fact, your basic black thug has probably assured himself repeatedly that while he can’t be sure how fights with other men will turn out, he’s hell on beating up women.

  189. @ABDOULAYE Pierre
    America is a land of opportunity.
    If you work hard , then you will succeed here.
    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002.
    Got a degree in Computer Engineering from UC Davis and have been working in Amazon for quite some time now.
    I make 6 figure salary and am married to a beautiful all American girl from Edina, Minnesota and have 3 kids who are thoroughly American.

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Gyre07, @Steve in Greensboro, @bomag, @c matt, @Seneca44, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot, @Olorin, @dually

    Do you have any insightful comments re: American Blacks or race relations in general in the U.S.?

  190. @Jack D
    @Kyle


    I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range.
     
    Very very low. In my county of 800,000 people, out of 800 Covid-attributed deaths, 0 have been of people under 30 , 0 white people under 40 and 3 white people under 50. Not only are the risks small for the 18-25 range they are small for the entire 0-50 range. The group that has suffered the most deaths is the 80-89 group followed by the over 90 group.

    Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?
     
    Short answer is no. There have been online Harvard courses available on the internet for years - the market price of such courses is zero. A supervised, graded online course that gets you a diploma at the end is worth somewhat more but nowhere close to $50,000/yr, which amounts to $5 or $6 thousand dollars/course. The campus experience is about much more than the 10% of your time that is spent in a classroom. Even if an online course was equivalent to an in-person course (it isn't) you deserve a 90% discount for the other 90% of your time when you won't be partaking in the Harvard experience.

    Those who foresee this as the end of college are wrong. With or without a vaccine, people are not going to be willing to stop their lives forever. The lockdowns can be sustained for a few months, maybe a year but beyond that people will say that they would rather risk death (a small risk - see above) than spend the rest of their life locked up. Whichever (prestigious) college offers the full campus experience will have the advantage over those who refuse and the others will all cave and follow the leader. After the election, Covid will disappear as a political issue as will the need to destroy the economy in order to prevent Trump's reelection.

    Replies: @anon, @peterike

    After the election, Covid will disappear as a political issue as will the need to destroy the economy in order to prevent Trump’s reelection.

    Only if Trump loses. If Trump wins, they will keep the Covid Panic going, if only out of spite. Just watch. (But I don’t think Trump’s going to win.)

  191. @Mr. Anon

    How the ‘Karen Meme’ Confronts the Violent History of White Womanhood
     
    Whereas the history of Chinese Womanhood isn't violent at all *cough* Wu Zeitan *cough* Madame Mao *cough*.

    Carrying on the awards-show theme, when will white women arrive at that inverse Sally Fields realization about a lot of POC: "You hate me. You really hate me."

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SunBakedSuburb, @flyingtiger

    You forgot the Dragon Lady.

  192. @Anonymous
    Getting Karens to shut the hell up would be the only good thing BLM could accomplish.

    I have only--ONLY--ever been harrassed in public for no reason by middle aged white women. they are absolutely insanely drunk with power and oblivious to any consequences for acting like dictators of grocery store parking lots or whatever. Its honestly stunning and they need to start acting like real human beings. At least in public--i dont care what kind of abuse they dish out to their pathetic husbands in their own homes.

    Karens are also, obviously, outright terrorists in the workplace.

    Fuck them.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Up2Drew, @throtler, @S. Anonyia

    I have run into 3 Karens in my life that I recall. 2 of them were men.

  193. @Icy Blast
    @Dr. Taylor

    Well, it's a good thing that all evil can be located in those three West Coast cities. For awhile I was worried about Washington, D.C., New York City, and even Chicago! What was I thinking? Thanks for setting me straight!

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Well, it’s a good thing that all evil can be located in those three West Coast cities. For awhile I was worried about Washington, D.C., New York City, and even Chicago! What was I thinking? Thanks for setting me straight!

    I believe Dr. Taylor was writing in the context of implied capability of the North Koreans.

    Not an area i know much about, but I believe the general consensus is that the Norks could hit Seattle with what they have. (Whether they could get everything–missile, bomb–working together successfully in X number of tries?)

    They have built a rocket–the Hwasong-14–tested in 2017, that might be capable of reaching out to 10,000km in range, but they certainly haven’t tested the capability to do that. They have a SLBM that they successfully tested as well. Range of that is unknown as well as capability of their submarines at sea.

    The actual capability of the Norks ICBM program is one of those things that is shrouded in layers upon layers of fog–both what intelligence agencies know (with what level of confidence) they can do, and what they actually can do (with what level of confidence).

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Having 1 or 2 ICBMs capable of taking out a city is as good as having none. This would be the equivalent of the Japanese strike on Pearl Harbor and the end result would be the same except much quicker - the time between Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima would be hours instead of years. In the Cold War, both sides figured out that in order to "win" a nuclear war you had to execute a decapitation strike that destroyed your enemy's capability for retaliation or else a nuclear attack would be suicidal. For the Kims, having ICBMs is just an insurance policy against ending up like Qaddafi but they don't dare use them aggressively or it will be the last thing they ever do and they know it.

    Replies: @botazefa

  194. @Veracitor
    Our learned and gracious host Steve explained back in 2011 that black women really want black men, not white men (nor latino nor asian) [genuine iSteve link]. Latino, South- and East-Asian, and white women may prefer white men, but black women don't.

    Black women probably have two motives to attack "Karens."

    First, they wish to protect "their" black men no matter what. No black woman wants a black man jailed or fined-- either reduces his ability to gratify a black woman. Of course, when "Karen" or "Becky" calls the cops, 99% of the time she has a valid complaint and the black man deserves to be punished. Black women trying to silence "Karens" are just like all those black grandmothers wailing in courthouse corridors that their felonious descendants are innocent victims of racist frame-ups. (Black women don't care what crimes black men commit against white women or anyone else. Black women expect black men to be violent and dishonest and believe that if they have to accept that then the rest of society should too.)

    Second, black women hate white women for "stealing all the good black men." It's not that black women want white men, it is that they don't want to yield any black men to white women. (Everyone knows that the most "eligible" black men are the mostly likely to pair up with non-black women.) Attacking "Karen" or "Becky" is a socially-approved attack on white women in general because preventing white women from summoning the police makes them much more vulnerable to black criminals. For every "Karen" deterred from calling the cops, three or four or ten white women will suffer an assault or other harm because the assailant wasn't arrested at the opportune moment. Silencing "Karen" has a tremendous multiplier effect on black crime.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Marty, @Jane Plain

    Second, black women hate white women for “stealing all the good black men.” It’s not that black women want white men, it is that they don’t want to yield any black men to white women. (Everyone knows that the most “eligible” black men are the mostly likely to pair up with non-black women.)

    This may be true but it has nothing to do with the anti-Karen, don’t call the police movement. Karens are usually either already married (to a white guy) or else living with their cats/dogs (like Central Park Karen) and not stealing anyone’s men, black or white.

    • Replies: @Veracitor
    @Jack D

    I explained, Jack, in the words following hard upon those you quoted, that because many black women hate white women generally, they attack "Karens" in a bid to keep black men from getting caught before they can go on to victimize additional white women (or anyone) whether or not those extra victims are "Karens."



    Attacking “Karen” or “Becky” is a socially-approved attack on white women in general because preventing white women from summoning the police makes them much more vulnerable to black criminals. For every “Karen” deterred from calling the cops, three or four or ten white women will suffer an assault or other harm because the assailant wasn’t arrested at the opportune moment. Silencing “Karen” has a tremendous multiplier effect on black crime.

     

    Of course some "Karens" are crazy or just mistaken in the moment, but even reading newspaper accounts denouncing, for example, "BBQ Becky," it sure looks like most white-women-calling-the-police are justified in doing so.

    More generally, attacking people who report antisocial or suspicious behavior to the police is attacking civil society. The whole point of "Neighborhood Watch" is to deter crime by asking all citizens to alert the police when there is reason to be suspicious so the cops can investigate and intervene if necessary. Of course some suspicions will prove to be unfounded. A few excessive suspicions, to be resolved by police investigation, are not just normal but actually desirable-- if there were never any unfounded reports, that would mean that too many real problems were going unreported.

    Remember when assh*le Harvard professor Henry L. Gates, Jr. got himself arrested by abusing a police officer who responded to a valid report of someone breaking into Gates' home? If no one is allowed to call the police when she witnesses a break-in, then burglars will never be caught.

    All of the people trying to keep "Karens" from calling the police are really trying to help criminals get away with crimes.

    Finally, before Corvinus or one of his buddies tries to muddy the waters, we may note that some vexatious people call the police too often or maliciously. The police are well-acquainted with such people and already know how to deal with them. The war on "Karens" is not a benign campaign against lunatics who waste police resources.
  195. @Veracitor
    Our learned and gracious host Steve explained back in 2011 that black women really want black men, not white men (nor latino nor asian) [genuine iSteve link]. Latino, South- and East-Asian, and white women may prefer white men, but black women don't.

    Black women probably have two motives to attack "Karens."

    First, they wish to protect "their" black men no matter what. No black woman wants a black man jailed or fined-- either reduces his ability to gratify a black woman. Of course, when "Karen" or "Becky" calls the cops, 99% of the time she has a valid complaint and the black man deserves to be punished. Black women trying to silence "Karens" are just like all those black grandmothers wailing in courthouse corridors that their felonious descendants are innocent victims of racist frame-ups. (Black women don't care what crimes black men commit against white women or anyone else. Black women expect black men to be violent and dishonest and believe that if they have to accept that then the rest of society should too.)

    Second, black women hate white women for "stealing all the good black men." It's not that black women want white men, it is that they don't want to yield any black men to white women. (Everyone knows that the most "eligible" black men are the mostly likely to pair up with non-black women.) Attacking "Karen" or "Becky" is a socially-approved attack on white women in general because preventing white women from summoning the police makes them much more vulnerable to black criminals. For every "Karen" deterred from calling the cops, three or four or ten white women will suffer an assault or other harm because the assailant wasn't arrested at the opportune moment. Silencing "Karen" has a tremendous multiplier effect on black crime.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Marty, @Jane Plain

    I was a “Karen” a couple of years ago. I noticed a black woman park in a handicapped spot sans placard – probably the most common way that blacks give the finger to straight society. So, knowing the county was revenue hungry, I called the authority, and they arrived quick. I parked around the block where I could view the reaction. After the ticket, that driver spent some time looking around trying to identify who dropped the dime. Likely she would would have called in a posse.

  196. @AnotherDad
    @Icy Blast


    Well, it’s a good thing that all evil can be located in those three West Coast cities. For awhile I was worried about Washington, D.C., New York City, and even Chicago! What was I thinking? Thanks for setting me straight!
     
    I believe Dr. Taylor was writing in the context of implied capability of the North Koreans.

    Not an area i know much about, but I believe the general consensus is that the Norks could hit Seattle with what they have. (Whether they could get everything--missile, bomb--working together successfully in X number of tries?)

    They have built a rocket--the Hwasong-14--tested in 2017, that might be capable of reaching out to 10,000km in range, but they certainly haven't tested the capability to do that. They have a SLBM that they successfully tested as well. Range of that is unknown as well as capability of their submarines at sea.

    The actual capability of the Norks ICBM program is one of those things that is shrouded in layers upon layers of fog--both what intelligence agencies know (with what level of confidence) they can do, and what they actually can do (with what level of confidence).

    Replies: @Jack D

    Having 1 or 2 ICBMs capable of taking out a city is as good as having none. This would be the equivalent of the Japanese strike on Pearl Harbor and the end result would be the same except much quicker – the time between Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima would be hours instead of years. In the Cold War, both sides figured out that in order to “win” a nuclear war you had to execute a decapitation strike that destroyed your enemy’s capability for retaliation or else a nuclear attack would be suicidal. For the Kims, having ICBMs is just an insurance policy against ending up like Qaddafi but they don’t dare use them aggressively or it will be the last thing they ever do and they know it.

    • Replies: @botazefa
    @Jack D


    Having 1 or 2 ICBMs capable of taking out a city is as good as having none
     
    You might want to re-think your whole idea. Bin Laden beat us with four passenger jets.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

  197. @Thomas
    Poetic justice. Half the trouble America and the West faces started by giving white women the vote and catering to their frivolous desires. Let the dumb, perimenopausal cows get their heads caved in as their formerly-safe gentrified hipsterburgs turn on them.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Jesse, @Thea, @AUSA(ret), @Joseph Doaks, @ScarletNumber

    From time to time I have reacted to various posts in this blog suggesting that they are monumentally, heroically, and without doubt, stupid. You sir, have made a liar out of me. I can only pray that you intended sarcasm and I failed to recognize your clumsy and failed attempt. But I don’t think so, and thus you have made the stupidest, most ignorant, most misogynistic, most racist comment I have ever read here. You should be thankful you can do so in relative anonymity and pray no malevolent soul doxxes you.

  198. @JohnPlywood
    @Whiskey


    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.
     
    Seething white female detected. White men are the champions, white women a genetic dead end:


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png

    https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.png

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @The Wild Geese Howard, @throtler, @Twinkie, @SunBakedSuburb, @Bert

    Idiot detected.

  199. Anonymous[525] • Disclaimer says:

    Who would win in a fight, K.D. Lang or Cady Lang? I think despite the size disadvantage the columnist has that streetfighting claw-your-eyes-out “it”-factor

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
    @Anonymous

    KD Lang is a butch lesbian. Testosterone always wins.

  200. @AnonAnon
    OT - Steve, why haven’t you addressed the ICE announcement that international students won’t get visas or will have to leave the US if their colleges remain fully on-line for the upcoming academic year? I’ve been waiting for your take. It was a particularly delicious move after Harvard made the announcement early yesterday morning that it was going to remain on line for the upcoming 2020-2021 school year, thus kicking off a cascade of other colleges likely to follow suit. It not only gets rid of pesky problem of Chinese student spies but puts financial pressure on US colleges to open up. It also puts a speed bump in the path to citizenship for the students. Maybe colleges will have to take some Americans off their waitlists now. Win-win-win-win.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Hhsiii, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666

    The elite universities don’t realize it, but they have opened a can of worms by contending that they can offer full-quality education on-line. Indeed, running an “exclusive” and expensive on-line university is directly contrary to the prime directive of “Diversity, Inclusion and Equity.”

    For example, by conceding that they can provide the full benefit of their elite education product to anyone with internet access, elite universities are admitting that they are unnecessarily excluding poor and “marginalized people” from this opportunity. This is pure racist white privilege and colonialism, obviously.

    Thus, if Harvard is to further inclusion and social justice it must be required to allow anyone to participate in its on-line classes for degree credit. If it costs them a little more to grade the extra papers and tests, they can absorb it out of their $40+ billion endowment hedge fund. Or they can just over-charge the rich kids more than they already do.

    This sounds like a good BLM demand if you ask me — automatic (on-line) admission and free tuition for blacks.

    What’s Harvard going to say? “Random POC who log on will be too dumb to keep up or absorb the material.” Or, “Having inferior students will hurt our brand.” Good luck with that.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
    @Hypnotoad666

    #IvyLeagueSoWhite

    Someone @ 4Chan. All Ivy League universities, particularly Harvard and Yale, must accept ALL blacks regardless of test scores with a FULL scholarship.

  201. @SimpleSong
    @ben tillman

    True, but back then they were much more likely to be married, much more likely to have children, and much more likely to be economically dependent on their husbands.

    Female suffrage seems to create a feedback loop. Women vote for their own economic interests (as does everybody) and so right after women's suffrage they tend to align their votes very closely with the needs of their men who support them economically. But each cycle they also vote themselves a little more safety net, a little more money for industries they dominate (like education and healthcare), a little less protection for industries they don't dominate (manufacturing, construction) and as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society. And their voting patterns diverge, and society starts to look very very different from what it used to.

    Now the question is, are these economically independent women happier, or better off? Of course it depends on the individual case, but as a whole, I think that paradoxically the economic independence has lessened women's happiness. This independence indirectly led to more libertine sexual mores, which I don't think women appreciate that much, and, let's be frank, working kinda sucks. Surveys of female happiness seem to support this although it's difficult to put a lot of faith in that sort of data.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus, @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @anon, @Thea

    I agree — you make some good points.

  202. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong
    @ben tillman

    True, but back then they were much more likely to be married, much more likely to have children, and much more likely to be economically dependent on their husbands.

    Female suffrage seems to create a feedback loop. Women vote for their own economic interests (as does everybody) and so right after women's suffrage they tend to align their votes very closely with the needs of their men who support them economically. But each cycle they also vote themselves a little more safety net, a little more money for industries they dominate (like education and healthcare), a little less protection for industries they don't dominate (manufacturing, construction) and as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society. And their voting patterns diverge, and society starts to look very very different from what it used to.

    Now the question is, are these economically independent women happier, or better off? Of course it depends on the individual case, but as a whole, I think that paradoxically the economic independence has lessened women's happiness. This independence indirectly led to more libertine sexual mores, which I don't think women appreciate that much, and, let's be frank, working kinda sucks. Surveys of female happiness seem to support this although it's difficult to put a lot of faith in that sort of data.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus, @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @anon, @Thea

    In the rapidly changing America no one will be missed more than white male, the group that gave the world plumbing, engineering, chemistry, physics, electricity, cars, airplanes, electronics, computers, modern medicine, space flight, … in a nutshell, everything in modern civilization (except for, maybe, the traffic light).

    Who will these white women have to bitch at when the degradation of the infrastructure begins to affect their cushy life. They’ll have fun in the huge swathes of the country which get cold during the winter. Now they still take it for granted there are plenty of white guys around with testosterone who know how to use tools and who make sure the electrical grid and power and heating systems stay up and running efficiently.

    The white male is the sine qua non of civilization. Every other group just needs to show appreciation and occasionally say “thank you” to the white male for every modern technology they use, need, and desire. Not that we need any approval, after all, it’s just part of our nature to want to discover and create and make the world a better place. 👊🏻

    • Agree: bruce county
    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @Anonymous

    This is why "white supremacy" is actually a good thing. If people like Charles Blow were supreme, we'd be living in caves.

  203. @Anon
    @SimpleSong


    Overall, taking political and economic power away from women (of all races) would be a net positive for whites, but I’ve generally found that even very pro-white women, when faced with this trade off, will choose gender over race.

    So be it! Bring forth the Asians!
     
    Hear, hear!

    Mao offered Kissinger 10 million Chinese women

    You know, China is a very poor country," Mao is quoted as saying during the exchange. "We don’t have much. What we have in excess is women. So if you want them we can give a few ...

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/02/15/mao-offered-kissinger-10-million-chinese-women/
     
    Is it too late to accept the offer? And adjust for inflation and make it 30 million Han women?

    Replies: @throtler, @AceDeuce

    These days the dumb Chinese have an excessive amount of men. You can take the thirty million women to your private island if you have one. The United States does not want them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @throtler


    These days the dumb Chinese have an excessive amount of men. You can take the thirty million women to your private island if you have one. The United States does not want them.
     
    Oh my, what a thought! A blissful, heavenly thought!

    https://youtu.be/42e-iT5qtSg
  204. Znzn says:

    Was it logistically possible to ship all African slaves to Africa after 1865, and the Spartans were able to keep down the helots despite being outnumbered by them 10 to 1, and the young men were always at the front line, so it was the women and old men and children keeping the helots down. And the fact that there were no successful slave uprisings in the South shows that the blacks were controllable even if they outnunber the whites.

  205. anon[390] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong
    @ben tillman

    True, but back then they were much more likely to be married, much more likely to have children, and much more likely to be economically dependent on their husbands.

    Female suffrage seems to create a feedback loop. Women vote for their own economic interests (as does everybody) and so right after women's suffrage they tend to align their votes very closely with the needs of their men who support them economically. But each cycle they also vote themselves a little more safety net, a little more money for industries they dominate (like education and healthcare), a little less protection for industries they don't dominate (manufacturing, construction) and as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society. And their voting patterns diverge, and society starts to look very very different from what it used to.

    Now the question is, are these economically independent women happier, or better off? Of course it depends on the individual case, but as a whole, I think that paradoxically the economic independence has lessened women's happiness. This independence indirectly led to more libertine sexual mores, which I don't think women appreciate that much, and, let's be frank, working kinda sucks. Surveys of female happiness seem to support this although it's difficult to put a lot of faith in that sort of data.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus, @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @anon, @Thea

    Surveys of female happiness seem to support this although it’s difficult to put a lot of faith in that sort of data.

    The percentage of women on SSRI or other anti-anxiety / anti-depression meds is a more reliable indicator. The medication rates also suggest that women may not be as strong ‘n independent as we are all told, too.

    It’s almost as though men and women are different; women are not “men with boobs”, and men are not “inferior women”; as if men and women are different but complimentary. Maybe genes actually do things, and testosterone has different effects than estrogen?

    Almost, but not quite, because muh blank slate!

  206. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Having 1 or 2 ICBMs capable of taking out a city is as good as having none. This would be the equivalent of the Japanese strike on Pearl Harbor and the end result would be the same except much quicker - the time between Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima would be hours instead of years. In the Cold War, both sides figured out that in order to "win" a nuclear war you had to execute a decapitation strike that destroyed your enemy's capability for retaliation or else a nuclear attack would be suicidal. For the Kims, having ICBMs is just an insurance policy against ending up like Qaddafi but they don't dare use them aggressively or it will be the last thing they ever do and they know it.

    Replies: @botazefa

    Having 1 or 2 ICBMs capable of taking out a city is as good as having none

    You might want to re-think your whole idea. Bin Laden beat us with four passenger jets.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @botazefa


    You might want to re-think your whole idea. Bin Laden beat us with four passenger jets.
     
    Bin Laden became shark food a decade after 9/11. While in masterminding the attack, he became the most famous Muslim and Arab of his generation, beyond even Saddam, it's hard to think of any other respect in which he won. Anybody can do a sneak attack. Winning involves, at minimum, inflicting more damage than you sustain. Given the number of dead Muslims sympathetic to his cause since the attack, I'd say bin Laden has lost in spades.
  207. @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    There are some things to be learned from porn, just as there were from Heartiste.

    Unless you share the same abhorrence of the embodied nature of existence as Pinker (this is what underlies Better Angels of Our Nature), Heartiste was in some ways more vulgar and more subversive than pornography.

    I'm not suggesting you watch it, but at the same time, you might consider that the turn to having nudity and sexuality more or less in public (it is at hand everywhere) is in some ways a return to the human cultural norm of fertility rituals and phallic art. Were the Greeks more primitive than we? Yes. Were they likely our betters on a man-to-man comparison? Yes.

    Replies: @Random Smartaleck, @The Wild Geese Howard, @S. Anonyia

    …return to the human cultural norm of fertility rituals…

    Celebration of fertility is not something you will ever find in porn. It is, however, something arguably found in Heartistes later writing with his BUNS –> OVEN rhetoric.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Random Smartaleck

    "Celebration of fertility is not something you will ever find in porn."

    I would be amazed if there's no porn featuring pregnant or lactating women. I bet there is.

    Replies: @Getaclue

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Random Smartaleck

    Fertility rituals were not about "fertility" either, because sex is not about "fertility". That is a philosophical idea, like saying people eat for nutrition. They don't. They eat to satiate themselves. Only highly religious people or people with eating disorders eat for nutrition. Without prophylactics and abortion, the people making pornography would be producing lots of babies. And the argument that pornography replaces sex is based on the fallacy that an event of onanism displaces an event of coitus. That is not how the physiology of sex works, as the rationale for the famous Ben Stiller onanism scene in There's Something About Mary makes clear. (Friend recommends pre-date onanism to improve coitus.) The young men watching porn in their parents basement phenomenon is not porn replacing sex, it is the response of men to the dynamics of the sexual marketplace where women's choice reigns supreme and most men go home disappointed.

  208. @El Dato
    Dictionary update:

    https://www.calfac.org/sites/main/files/cfa_arsj_demands_in_wake_of_anti-black_racism_violence_and_murder_final.pdf


    CFA realizes that Black faculty who serve as mentors and role models for Black students are supplementing the work of counselors by providing emotional and psychological support needed to not only succeed in higher education but do so under the canopy of systematic racism. Black faculty are asked to speak for all Blackness on the campuses in committee meetings, as advisors for student groups, as well as in their classrooms. This increased ask [?] or service placed on Black faculty is coined by Amado Padilla as Cultural Taxation. It is the “unique burden placed on ethnic minority faculty in carrying out their responsibility to service within the university.”
     
    Cultural Taxation in action:

    https://i.postimg.cc/HsKHcrqH/Cultural-Taxation.png

    Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Black faculty are asked to speak for all Blackness on the campuses in committee meetings …

    Sounds like something a demon would say, like in The Exorcist or something: “I speak for all blackness …”

  209. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr McKenna


    You of all people surely know that dashes and hyphens are opposite in meaning and function!
     
    I must have had unconscious reservations about using hyphen for a post about white women.

    Why is a hyphen like a hymen?

    You're never really married till it's gone!

    Replies: @ChrisZ

    Did you just make that joke up, Reg? It’s like something that would come out of Frank Gorshen in a blooper real of the old Batman TV show. You’ve got a real comedic talent.

    I do want to note that the punchline is a strange amalgam of modern and retro ideas about marriage. I wonder whether ours might be the last generation capable of appreciating it?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @ChrisZ

    It's a pretty good line! Though I've my doubts I'll ever be able to use it..

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @ChrisZ


    Did you just make that joke up, Reg?
     
    I made it up at least 20 years ago. Haven't had much opportunity to use it, till now.

    a blooper real of the old Batman TV show
     
    Now there's a Freudian typo.
  210. Cady Lang be like:
    “All your men are belong to us!”
    LOL!

  211. @Jesse
    @Thomas

    Aaand this is why the left is succeeding. Playing white people of both sexes off each other only works if the men are gleefully playing ball.

    It's not just the Dems playing white women like fiddles. It's white women looking at white men and seeing that the men hate them, and want to enact a system far, far worse than anything the left could imagine. The women may as well take their chances with the Woke.

    No one hates white people, as we actually are, more than white nationalists. It's a bunch of rejects from white society, and federal agents. And that's why you've spent the past few decades getting your asses handed to you.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    It’s not just the Dems playing white women like fiddles. It’s white women looking at white men and seeing that the men hate them, and want to enact a system far, far worse than anything the left could imagine. The women may as well take their chances with the Woke.

    Jesse, you are:
    a) Doing exactly what you are accusing Thomas of doing.
    and
    b) Saying something completely ridiculous (bold italics).

    The very nature of being alt-white, means that the white men who are most aggrieved by white women’s behavior would also like to have a white women who was actually interested in being a wife and mother to their white children. (Alt-white men are not the ones with hazy notions about where babies come from.)

    And the terrible gulag for women that this alt-white men would sentence women to is … traditional *Western* monogamous marriage, which is the only system man has devised that seems to make most–decidedly not all, perfection is no attainably upon this earth, but most–people, men and women happy. Modern feminism–SJWish, wokeism–does not have a tract record of producing happy women. (To say the least!)

    ~~

    All these white female–“how dare you point the finger at us!”–whines are ridiculous.

    There simply are way more white women who are posting, tweeting, virtue signaling and voting against the interests of white people, the white race, their nation, Western Christian civilization than there are white men. White men noticing this and calling it out are not the problem. These women–and the minority of men like them–are a problem. And you can’t fix a problem unless you point it out.

    White women are not “the” problem. The problem is minoritarianism in all it’s aspects. But there is a distinct “white woman” problem.

  212. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Yep. Remember Obama's "Life of Julia" where Julia sucks on the government teat from cradle to grave? This has been going on in the ghetto for many decades but now white American females are being blackified.

    Women enjoy being mothers (if not to human children then at least to their pets) but being wives not so much. Demands for sex when you don't feel like having sex. Dirty underwear on the floor and unwashed dishes. The majority of divorces are initiated by women. The problem with marriage is that it has both benefits and burdens. So if you can get government to provide the benefits then you can skip the marriage and skip the burdens.

    A close second is a divorce - same deal. Your ex-husband still has to provide (financial) benefits but you no longer have any obligations to him. Women's suffrage has allowed them to control government to the point where the dice are loaded in their favor. Men (especially men with assets or income, i.e. not black men) get screwed by the tax system and the legal system. Someone like Bezos doesn't care because he has more billions than he could spend in 10 lifetimes but for a middle class guy living on the edge, this tilt is enough to send them over the precipice.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @JMcG, @sayless, @Corvinus

    Jack, you’ve been hitting on all cylinders lately.

  213. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Two Karens, One Mask:

  214. @Jack D
    To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment. The State can do whatever it wants but he wants nothing to do with it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8500925/Birdwatcher-cops-called-Central-Park-Karen-refusing-cooperate-investigation.html

    I realize that gay, black birdwatchers are never going to be a crowd favorite around here, but he strikes me as an actually decent person and decent people seem to be in short supply in America 2020.

    Replies: @Anon, @scrivener3, @Getaclue, @AceDeuce

    Maybe he does not want a public examination of the facts of the encounter under oath? Obviously he has won the “presentation to the mob by one side with a cell phone video” portion. Would a full examination of his behavior show him in such a good light?

  215. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I'm really falling behind in my Porn Commentary. I built my brand around keeping you all up to date with happenings in the Porn Community, so I heartily apologize.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Sean, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    “Steve, what do think of pornography?”

    “I don’t know, I don’t even own a pornograph.”

    • LOL: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @ontherocks
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I am showing my age, but I am pretty sure the "I don't own a pornograph" line was spoken by Goldie Hawn on "Laugh In".

  216. Thea says:
    @SimpleSong
    @ben tillman

    True, but back then they were much more likely to be married, much more likely to have children, and much more likely to be economically dependent on their husbands.

    Female suffrage seems to create a feedback loop. Women vote for their own economic interests (as does everybody) and so right after women's suffrage they tend to align their votes very closely with the needs of their men who support them economically. But each cycle they also vote themselves a little more safety net, a little more money for industries they dominate (like education and healthcare), a little less protection for industries they don't dominate (manufacturing, construction) and as time goes by they are become less and less economically dependent upon the men of their society. And their voting patterns diverge, and society starts to look very very different from what it used to.

    Now the question is, are these economically independent women happier, or better off? Of course it depends on the individual case, but as a whole, I think that paradoxically the economic independence has lessened women's happiness. This independence indirectly led to more libertine sexual mores, which I don't think women appreciate that much, and, let's be frank, working kinda sucks. Surveys of female happiness seem to support this although it's difficult to put a lot of faith in that sort of data.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus, @ben tillman, @Anonymous, @anon, @Thea

    Yeah it has screwed up women to pursue ideals that leave them barren, lonely and miserable. It leaves the men they interact with and any children as collateral damage.

    Women in large numbers the workforce are responsible for the wage stagnation that began in the 1970s and continues.

    It’s a net negative for families as a collective for certain.

  217. @Jack D
    @Veracitor


    Second, black women hate white women for “stealing all the good black men.” It’s not that black women want white men, it is that they don’t want to yield any black men to white women. (Everyone knows that the most “eligible” black men are the mostly likely to pair up with non-black women.)
     
    This may be true but it has nothing to do with the anti-Karen, don't call the police movement. Karens are usually either already married (to a white guy) or else living with their cats/dogs (like Central Park Karen) and not stealing anyone's men, black or white.

    Replies: @Veracitor

    I explained, Jack, in the words following hard upon those you quoted, that because many black women hate white women generally, they attack “Karens” in a bid to keep black men from getting caught before they can go on to victimize additional white women (or anyone) whether or not those extra victims are “Karens.”

    Attacking “Karen” or “Becky” is a socially-approved attack on white women in general because preventing white women from summoning the police makes them much more vulnerable to black criminals. For every “Karen” deterred from calling the cops, three or four or ten white women will suffer an assault or other harm because the assailant wasn’t arrested at the opportune moment. Silencing “Karen” has a tremendous multiplier effect on black crime.

    Of course some “Karens” are crazy or just mistaken in the moment, but even reading newspaper accounts denouncing, for example, “BBQ Becky,” it sure looks like most white-women-calling-the-police are justified in doing so.

    More generally, attacking people who report antisocial or suspicious behavior to the police is attacking civil society. The whole point of “Neighborhood Watch” is to deter crime by asking all citizens to alert the police when there is reason to be suspicious so the cops can investigate and intervene if necessary. Of course some suspicions will prove to be unfounded. A few excessive suspicions, to be resolved by police investigation, are not just normal but actually desirable– if there were never any unfounded reports, that would mean that too many real problems were going unreported.

    Remember when assh*le Harvard professor Henry L. Gates, Jr. got himself arrested by abusing a police officer who responded to a valid report of someone breaking into Gates’ home? If no one is allowed to call the police when she witnesses a break-in, then burglars will never be caught.

    All of the people trying to keep “Karens” from calling the police are really trying to help criminals get away with crimes.

    Finally, before Corvinus or one of his buddies tries to muddy the waters, we may note that some vexatious people call the police too often or maliciously. The police are well-acquainted with such people and already know how to deal with them. The war on “Karens” is not a benign campaign against lunatics who waste police resources.

  218. I heartily approve. The more pain progressives inflict on white women, the more white women will say, “Screw that!” and start marrying white men, raising white children, and cutting eye-holes in white pillowcases.

  219. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    @RichardTaylor


    Imagine if they had seceded back in the 1840s.
     
    So, in your ideal alternate history, the South contains millions of Blacks. In contrast, in my ideal alternate history, the South has virtually no Blacks. I like my timeline better.

    They couldn’t have stopped us
     
    That's very unlikely.

    and we wouldn’t have had to deal with a military that killed 700,000 White people.
     
    Again, my scenario also avoids war, and it gets rid of millions of Blacks.

    Can’t you troll a bit better to justify the genocide of Whites?
     
    You wanna talk about advocating the destruction of the White race in Anglo-America, then look to John C "Crazy as a Bedbug" Calhoun:


    http://sites.psu.edu/interestinghistory/wp-content/uploads/sites/6816/2013/10/John-C-Calhoun.jpg


    That was a guy who actually thought that antebellum South Carolina was the perfect human society. In 1860, South Carolina had a Black majority:301,302 Whites* vs 402,406 Blacks......How sick does a White man have to be to actually think that that is the beau ideal......


    *The 301,302 figure technically refers to the number of free people in the state.Since there were free Blacks in SC (Not too many though, as free Blacks never exceeded two percent of the Black population), that means that the White population was actually lower than 301,302.....

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    So, in your ideal alternate history, the South contains millions of Blacks. In contrast, in my ideal alternate history, the South has virtually no Black

    That was never an option and you must know that.

    The whole driving force of northern public opinion was that Black people were poor oppressed victims who deserved help. That’s what Uncle Tom’s Cabin was all about. That’s why union troops died and killed.

    That’s why after the brutal war, the north put blacks in charge in many governorships and congress seats.

    This is a rather dishonest argument on your part. See

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Southern elites felt that they needed control in Washington to keep spreading slavery to the West to defend slavery in the South. When they lost control of the White House in 1860, they freaked out and suddenly became States' Rightsers.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    So, in your ideal alternate history, the South contains millions of Blacks. In contrast, in my ideal alternate history, the South has virtually no Black

    That was never an option and you must know that.

     

    Sure it was. Back-to-Africa movements were quite popular. Liberia was founded as a place where freed slaves could go.Henry Clay, perhaps the wisest Southern politician during the period 1825-1850, was a huge fan.Indeed, Lincoln, in his eulogy, highlighted Clay's support for African colonization:

    The American Colonization Society was organized in 1816. Mr. Clay, though not its projector, was one of its earliest members; and he died, as for the many preceding years he had been, its President. It was one of the most cherished objects of his direct care and consideration; and the association of his name with it has probably been its very greatest collateral support. He considered it no demerit in the society, that it tended to relieve slave-holders from the troublesome presence of the free negroes; but this was far from being its whole merit in his estimation. In the same speech from which I have quoted he says: "There is a moral fitness in the idea of returning to Africa her children, whose ancestors have been torn from her by the ruthless hand of fraud and violence. Transplanted in a foreign land, they will carry back to their native soil the rich fruits of religion, civilization, law and liberty. May it not be one of the great designs of the Ruler of the universe, (whose ways are often inscrutable by short-sighted mortals,) thus to transform an original crime, into a signal blessing to that most unfortunate portion of the globe?"
     
    http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/clay.htm

    See, it could easily have been framed as the moral solution to the problem of Blacks in Anglo-America.....But the Southern plantocracy was hooked on Black slavery......

    Replies: @Anonymous

  220. @OilcanFloyd
    @Jane Plain


    There was never a crazier, more self-defeating situation than slavery in the US. We are saddled with its consequences.
     
    Post 1965 immigration is definitely crazier and more self-defeating than slavery ever was. Giving the nation away through demographic change is suicidal. I'm no fan of slavery or the antebellum aristocracy of the South, but they were not able to destroy the nation. Would an actual civil war save America at this point?

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    Stick to the damn subject, will you?

    We were discussing slavery.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    @Jane Plain


    Stick to the damn subject, will you?

    We were discussing slavery.
     
    Well, if you are going to claim that nothing in U.S. history is crazier or more self-defeating than slavery, then it makes sense to point out that post-1965 immigration is crazier than slavery, and poses a far greater threat to destroy the U.S. than slavery alone ever did.
  221. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor


    You do realize Southerners didn’t import the Africans, right?
     
    First of all, this is wrong. There were plenty of Southerners involved with the slave trade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clotilda_(slave_ship)#:~:text=The%20schooner%20Clotilda%20(often%20misspelled,%2C%20with%20110%E2%80%93160%20slaves.

    2nd, even if some of the slave traders were Yankees, if Southerners were not interested in purchasing human labor on an economical a one-time you own it for life basis instead of the more expensive rental option, the slave traders would not have had anyone to sell to. The fact that some of their fellow Yankees were involved with the trade does not negate the opposition of other Yankees who, to their credit, recognized quite early on that owning other humans was just plain wrong.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Jane Plain

    So you feel like it was justified to kill 750,000 white people for the sake of your poor black brothers?

  222. @JohnPlywood
    @Whiskey


    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.
     
    Seething white female detected. White men are the champions, white women a genetic dead end:


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png

    https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.png

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @The Wild Geese Howard, @throtler, @Twinkie, @SunBakedSuburb, @Bert

    Those graphs suffer from a double selection bias, i.e. the data for them comes from selected online dating sites, and they also don’t reflect the highly segmented nature of the pairing market (e.g. white pairings with Asians – both make and female – are upscale and white pairings with blacks and Hispanics are downscale).

  223. @Thea
    @Thomas

    Enjoy extinction.

    What about us dumb perimenopausal cows who gave birth several future white men?

    Where do white men come from after all? Do they spring from the ground like mushrooms in the night?

    Our effort should go to eradicating feminism not white women

    Replies: @Thomas

    Any woman who has given birth to “several future white men” is pretty unlikely to be drifting into middle age in the “vibrant” coastal enclaves where these “Karen-baiting” incidents are happening. Birthrates and total fertility statistics tell the tale.

    I know more than a few late-30s to early-40s white women, the demographic Karens come from, who cast down their buckets in LA, New York, or the Bay Area 10 or 15 years ago and thought it was all going to be a life of mimosa brunches, dog-momming, and sex in the city, subsidized by some sort of meaningless mid-level white collar job that a monkey could do with the right credentials.

    Now the ball is coming to an end, and Cinderella’s coach home just turned back into a pumpkin.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  224. @JohnPlywood
    @anonymous

    It is not jealousy of white women as there is nothing to be jealous of (white women have been entirely superceded by Asian and Asian-mixed women in the eyes of all races' men).


    In reality, it is white women who are seething in jealousy over having been supplanted by Asian, Mestiza and Hapa women in the female desirability arena. White women are the female equivalent of male Dalits now. Hence the multiple videos of white and Caucasoid-ish women acting foolish towards Asian women, especially when they are in proximity to white men.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Hence the multiple videos of white and Caucasoid-ish women acting foolish towards Asian women, especially when they are in proximity to white men.

    What multiple videos?

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
    @Twinkie

    There are none. And (slim, pretty) white women are still lusted after the world over. I'm guessing John Plywood is actually Kim-Chi Sook.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  225. @ABDOULAYE Pierre
    America is a land of opportunity.
    If you work hard , then you will succeed here.
    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002.
    Got a degree in Computer Engineering from UC Davis and have been working in Amazon for quite some time now.
    I make 6 figure salary and am married to a beautiful all American girl from Edina, Minnesota and have 3 kids who are thoroughly American.

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Gyre07, @Steve in Greensboro, @bomag, @c matt, @Seneca44, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot, @Olorin, @dually

    Good lawd, y’all.

    Steve in Greensboro, bomag, c matt, Seneca44 (+ more?) get trolled by Nengue Mboko dropping some sly cuck porn and don’t even know it. I got some bad news about the “Nigerian Prince” you each wired $20,000 to …

    Boo-bwele-Boo-bwele-Boo-bwele-ah-HA.. A-HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Nengue MBoko & Lionel Joseph re-living their days at the African Education Conference, in the Haile Selassie Pavilion.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  226. @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    Hence the multiple videos of white and Caucasoid-ish women acting foolish towards Asian women, especially when they are in proximity to white men.
     
    What multiple videos?

    Replies: @DextersLabRat

    There are none. And (slim, pretty) white women are still lusted after the world over. I’m guessing John Plywood is actually Kim-Chi Sook.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @DextersLabRat


    And (slim, pretty) white women are still lusted after the world over.
     
    Yes, but slim pretty women are desired world over. And unfortunately slim white women are becoming a rarity these days, especially among the lower socio-economic segment.

    John Plywood is actually Kim-Chi Sook.
     
    Or a bitter white male who was rejected by attractive white women. Who knows? Best not to assume anything about anonymous or pseudonymous commenters (including you and me).

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  227. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor


    You do realize Southerners didn’t import the Africans, right?
     
    First of all, this is wrong. There were plenty of Southerners involved with the slave trade.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clotilda_(slave_ship)#:~:text=The%20schooner%20Clotilda%20(often%20misspelled,%2C%20with%20110%E2%80%93160%20slaves.

    2nd, even if some of the slave traders were Yankees, if Southerners were not interested in purchasing human labor on an economical a one-time you own it for life basis instead of the more expensive rental option, the slave traders would not have had anyone to sell to. The fact that some of their fellow Yankees were involved with the trade does not negate the opposition of other Yankees who, to their credit, recognized quite early on that owning other humans was just plain wrong.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous, @Jane Plain

    The Clotilda was owned by a guy from Maine. But yeah, most of the trading was done by Southerners. All of the businesses in Richmond that dealt with the trade were run by native Southerners.

  228. @Veracitor
    Our learned and gracious host Steve explained back in 2011 that black women really want black men, not white men (nor latino nor asian) [genuine iSteve link]. Latino, South- and East-Asian, and white women may prefer white men, but black women don't.

    Black women probably have two motives to attack "Karens."

    First, they wish to protect "their" black men no matter what. No black woman wants a black man jailed or fined-- either reduces his ability to gratify a black woman. Of course, when "Karen" or "Becky" calls the cops, 99% of the time she has a valid complaint and the black man deserves to be punished. Black women trying to silence "Karens" are just like all those black grandmothers wailing in courthouse corridors that their felonious descendants are innocent victims of racist frame-ups. (Black women don't care what crimes black men commit against white women or anyone else. Black women expect black men to be violent and dishonest and believe that if they have to accept that then the rest of society should too.)

    Second, black women hate white women for "stealing all the good black men." It's not that black women want white men, it is that they don't want to yield any black men to white women. (Everyone knows that the most "eligible" black men are the mostly likely to pair up with non-black women.) Attacking "Karen" or "Becky" is a socially-approved attack on white women in general because preventing white women from summoning the police makes them much more vulnerable to black criminals. For every "Karen" deterred from calling the cops, three or four or ten white women will suffer an assault or other harm because the assailant wasn't arrested at the opportune moment. Silencing "Karen" has a tremendous multiplier effect on black crime.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Marty, @Jane Plain

    Black women were front and center demonstrating in front of the courthouse during the Central Park Jogger case.

    An Erin (Sarah Burns, Ken’s daughter) made the “Central Park 5” into martyrs. After that, a black woman, Ava DuVernay, made them into stars with the help of a Chad, Reed Hastings, CEO of Netflix.

    As Steve chivalrously hints, white women aren’t too smart on the uptake when it comes to racial hostility, but they might wake up if the mob comes for little Timmy, Karen’s son.

  229. @Hypnotoad666
    @AnonAnon

    The elite universities don't realize it, but they have opened a can of worms by contending that they can offer full-quality education on-line. Indeed, running an "exclusive" and expensive on-line university is directly contrary to the prime directive of "Diversity, Inclusion and Equity."

    For example, by conceding that they can provide the full benefit of their elite education product to anyone with internet access, elite universities are admitting that they are unnecessarily excluding poor and "marginalized people" from this opportunity. This is pure racist white privilege and colonialism, obviously.

    Thus, if Harvard is to further inclusion and social justice it must be required to allow anyone to participate in its on-line classes for degree credit. If it costs them a little more to grade the extra papers and tests, they can absorb it out of their $40+ billion endowment hedge fund. Or they can just over-charge the rich kids more than they already do.

    This sounds like a good BLM demand if you ask me -- automatic (on-line) admission and free tuition for blacks.

    What's Harvard going to say? "Random POC who log on will be too dumb to keep up or absorb the material." Or, "Having inferior students will hurt our brand." Good luck with that.

    Replies: @DextersLabRat

    #IvyLeagueSoWhite

    Someone @ 4Chan. All Ivy League universities, particularly Harvard and Yale, must accept ALL blacks regardless of test scores with a FULL scholarship.

  230. @Anonymous
    Who would win in a fight, K.D. Lang or Cady Lang? I think despite the size disadvantage the columnist has that streetfighting claw-your-eyes-out "it"-factor

    Replies: @DextersLabRat

    KD Lang is a butch lesbian. Testosterone always wins.

  231. @Jane Plain
    But, in the real world, who is taking whose men?

    Perhaps we should have a "Karen v. Erin" meme. Karen is all that is bad about white womanhood, Erin is good. (Except that she steals a high quality black man who should have married a black woman but that doesn't matter because it's all in a good cause.)

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1280663941857906688?s=20

    Replies: @Ed, @duncsbaby

    Remarkable 3 out of 4 stories are black related. Blacks only make up 12% of the country’s population.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
    • Thanks: Jane Plain
  232. The Oscar Wilde line that never, ever stops being relevant…

    BLM: The rage of Caliban at seeing his own face in a mirror.

  233. @Kyle
    Harvard isn’t going to be open in the fall. Harvard may never be open again. I’m not sure what the risks of covid-19 are for the 18-25 age range. Is an online only Harvard education really a Harvard education?

    Replies: @Not my Economy, @P. Berg, @peterike, @anon, @Obee, @Jack D, @epebble

    The professors are in the higher age group and hence more vulnerable. It is not just Harvard, Many/most colleges are going Hybrid (part online, part onsite) to reduce density. Same with schools too. If that succeeds, that may become the norm. Once people get used to getting things without moving, they usually like it. Like how Amazon destroyed physical retail.

  234. @Thomas
    Poetic justice. Half the trouble America and the West faces started by giving white women the vote and catering to their frivolous desires. Let the dumb, perimenopausal cows get their heads caved in as their formerly-safe gentrified hipsterburgs turn on them.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Jesse, @Thea, @AUSA(ret), @Joseph Doaks, @ScarletNumber

    “Poetic justice. Half the trouble America and the West faces started by giving white women the vote and catering to their frivolous desires.”

    I agree with this much. The rest seems a bit harsh.

  235. @Enemy of Earth
    I'm patiently waiting for someone to bring up Emmett Till as proof positive of all the violence White women have instigated in the past.

    My Pa used to tell me, "If you don't want to be treated like a criminal don't act like one." Emmett's Ma should have schooled him about acting stupid around Southern White women.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    I’m patiently waiting for someone to bring up Emmett Till as proof positive of all the violence White women have instigated in the past.

    Why wait? It’s all day every day on Twitter.

  236. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Not Only Wrathful

    "That's some catch, that Catch-22."

    "It's the best there is."

    Replies: @sayless

    And there’s “Trust me, or it’ll hurt.”

  237. anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @ “I suspect white women are pretty clueless about this kind of racist anti-white women backstabbing by women of other races who want to take their men.“

    Well, I’ll grant that’s true and suppose you mean to say white men are not clueless. So what were the fathers, and brothers and manly white husbands DOING? Don’t white men feel any responsibility to clue in their women? Or did they decide to throw those dumb females to the dogs?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8463337/Michigan-GOP-candidate-blames-socialist-universities-daughter-begs-not-vote-him.html

    Irresponsible is way worse than clueless, IMO.

    Replies: @anon

    So what were the fathers, and brothers and manly white husbands DOING?

    Why, what they were told to do by their precious strong, independent, “you GO girl” partners and daughters, of course. Anything else would be wrong! And maybe abusive!

    All part of the ending of that horrible scourge called “patriarchy” that women screeched about for 50 years. How’s it working out so far?

  238. @ABDOULAYE Pierre
    America is a land of opportunity.
    If you work hard , then you will succeed here.
    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002.
    Got a degree in Computer Engineering from UC Davis and have been working in Amazon for quite some time now.
    I make 6 figure salary and am married to a beautiful all American girl from Edina, Minnesota and have 3 kids who are thoroughly American.

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Gyre07, @Steve in Greensboro, @bomag, @c matt, @Seneca44, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot, @Olorin, @dually

    This new troll has potential. Don’t ruin it by going over the top too soon.

    Pretending Amazon would hire a non-subcon programmer is already pushing it. Make it a “software project manager” next time.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  239. @Up2Drew
    @Anonymous

    Women routinely shoot off their mouths in public because they have enjoyed the security (historically) of not being smacked in response. I have always considered this exploitative of their societal status. Cowardly, even.

    When a guy calls another guy out in public there is a nonzero chance he may get hit.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Joseph Doaks

    “When a guy calls another guy out in public there is a nonzero chance he may get hit.”

    Even true in late Victorian Britain, though no shanking or popping of caps.

    “Two lovely black eyes!
    Oh! what a surprise!
    Only for telling a man he was wrong,
    Two lovely black eyes!”

  240. @Bardon Kaldian
    @syonredux

    Southerners were greedy & completely wrong. Had they seceded, they would have imported huge numbers of Africans for their worthless economy & the number of Africans in the contemporary US would have been not ca. 40 million, but almost certainly over 100 million.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @OilcanFloyd, @jsm, @Dannyboy

    You boys who revel in your “virtuous” Yankee mythology are amusing to say the least.

    The cognitive dissonance on display as you attempt to defend men like Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Hancock etc… while simultaneously damning men like Robert E Lee, Jefferson Davis and Nathan Bedford Forrest is truly a spectacle to behold.

    When the minutemen marched off to face the redcoats at Lexington in 1775, the wives, boys and old men they left behind in Framingham took up axes, clubs, and pitchforks and barred themselves in their homes because of a widespread, and widely credited, rumor that the local slaves planned to rise up and massacre the white inhabitants while the militia was away.

    The first official legal recognition of chattel slavery as a legal institution in British North America was in Massachusetts, in 1641, with the “Body of Liberties.” Slavery was legalized in New Plymouth and Connecticut when it was incorporated into the Articles of the New England Confederation (1643). Rhode Island enacted a similar law in 1652. That means New England had formal, legal slavery a full generation before it was established in the South.

    New England also was the center of the slave trade in the colonies, supplying captive Africans to the South and the Caribbean islands.

    http://slavenorth.com/slavenorth.htm

    So not only did Yankees BEGIN the slave trade to America, legalize it, and profit from it immensely, they continued the importation of slaves to the South even after their individual states outlawed it. In fact, they did so nearly right up to the eve of the war which they started, that resulted in the death of nearly 700,000 of their own countrymen.

    You folks are a trip.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor, Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
    @Dannyboy

    Yeah, I have to say that many of my White Yankee brethren suffer from the Dindu Nuffin when it comes to slavery. Being originally from Maryland, I catch it from both sides, the pompous, know-it-all, self righteous Yankees, and the chip on the shoulder, ( somewhat justified) Southerners, who are still living in the past. ( kind of funny to hear White Southerners complain about Blacks not letting go of slavery when so many Southerners still despise Yankees, of course Yankees damn well deserve some of that Southern hate.)

    Simple fact is that even at the peak of slavery in America, only 6% of White Southerners even owned slaves and at best, America never had above 2% of the White population who were slave owners. Brazil had more slaves than America. Like any defeated nation or army, the South was brutalized by rape, theft, and forced to submit to subjugation to the less than sympathetic North. Like, Germany, the South was hopelessly outgunned, but like Germany, the South proved superior in combat to Northerners. IF Great Britain and France had joined the South and Russia had sided with the North, I am sure that the Southerners would have easily claimed victory over the North.

    Only the White man is supposed to feel guilty about slavery, never mind that Native Americans, Jews, Africans, Arabs, and others have enslaved Blacks, other races of people, as well as Whites in the case of Arabs. Only a gullible White race will allow itself to be extorted for something every other race is guilty of and still does to this day.

  241. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jack D

    "(if not to human children then at least to their pets)"

    Dog-Moms. White men, and a pathetic lot they are, don't seem to have a problem with the DM's anthropomorphization of dogs because they share this affliction. Now young white couples send out birth notices when they buy a puppy. Darwin was right: Dogs are nature's most successful parasites.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Dogs are great (if you’re not in a city), but better to get one AFTER you have kids.

    They’re also like children in that you appreciate them a lot more when you have one of your own.

    “There is sorrow enough in the natural way
    From men and women to fill our day;
    And when we are certain of sorrow in store,
    Why do we always arrange for more?
    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.

    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_dog.htm

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all.

    , @Anonymous
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Not that one. This one:


    MASTER, this is Thy Servant. He is rising eight weeks old.
    He is mainly Head and Tummy. His legs are uncontrolled.
    But Thou has forgiven his ugliness, and settled him on Thy knee ...
    Art Thou content with Thy Servant? He is very comfy with Thee.

    Master, behold a Sinner! [...] This that was once Thy Shoe,
    He has found and taken and carried aside, as fitting matter to chew.
    Now there is neither blacking nor tongue, and the Housemaid has us in tow.
    Master, remember Thy Servant is young, and tell her to let him go! [...]

    Master, pity Thy Servant! He is deaf and three parts blind.
    He cannot catch Thy Commandments. He cannot read Thy Mind.
    Oh, leave him not to his loneliness; nor make him that kitten's scorn.
    He hath had none other God than Thee since the year that he was born.

    Lord, look down on Thy Servant! Bad things have come to pass.
    There is no heat in the midday sun, nor health in the wayside grass.
    His bones are full of an old disease - his torments run and increase.
    Lord, make haste with Thy Lightnings and grant him a quick release!
     
    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_apologies.htm

    --that Tor user whose unique handle always gets rejected
  242. @Jack D
    To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment. The State can do whatever it wants but he wants nothing to do with it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8500925/Birdwatcher-cops-called-Central-Park-Karen-refusing-cooperate-investigation.html

    I realize that gay, black birdwatchers are never going to be a crowd favorite around here, but he strikes me as an actually decent person and decent people seem to be in short supply in America 2020.

    Replies: @Anon, @scrivener3, @Getaclue, @AceDeuce

    Correct me if I’m wrong but in the longer conversation not played as part of the video that was replayed over and over — Didn’t he threaten her physically/sexually? I read that and saw his supposed comments to her and thought they weren’t particularly good and were in fact threatening — the whole thing seems to have been incredibly stupid but the Mainslime Media is looking for whatever to hurl at the hated YT so they hurled this….

  243. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Yep. Remember Obama's "Life of Julia" where Julia sucks on the government teat from cradle to grave? This has been going on in the ghetto for many decades but now white American females are being blackified.

    Women enjoy being mothers (if not to human children then at least to their pets) but being wives not so much. Demands for sex when you don't feel like having sex. Dirty underwear on the floor and unwashed dishes. The majority of divorces are initiated by women. The problem with marriage is that it has both benefits and burdens. So if you can get government to provide the benefits then you can skip the marriage and skip the burdens.

    A close second is a divorce - same deal. Your ex-husband still has to provide (financial) benefits but you no longer have any obligations to him. Women's suffrage has allowed them to control government to the point where the dice are loaded in their favor. Men (especially men with assets or income, i.e. not black men) get screwed by the tax system and the legal system. Someone like Bezos doesn't care because he has more billions than he could spend in 10 lifetimes but for a middle class guy living on the edge, this tilt is enough to send them over the precipice.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @JMcG, @sayless, @Corvinus

    How much resistance is there to changing the divorce laws so those abuses don’t occur? Women don’t want to see this happen to their sons/brothers/cousins/nephews. I’ve heard about the injustices for years. Is there a movement?

  244. @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Yep. Remember Obama's "Life of Julia" where Julia sucks on the government teat from cradle to grave? This has been going on in the ghetto for many decades but now white American females are being blackified.

    Women enjoy being mothers (if not to human children then at least to their pets) but being wives not so much. Demands for sex when you don't feel like having sex. Dirty underwear on the floor and unwashed dishes. The majority of divorces are initiated by women. The problem with marriage is that it has both benefits and burdens. So if you can get government to provide the benefits then you can skip the marriage and skip the burdens.

    A close second is a divorce - same deal. Your ex-husband still has to provide (financial) benefits but you no longer have any obligations to him. Women's suffrage has allowed them to control government to the point where the dice are loaded in their favor. Men (especially men with assets or income, i.e. not black men) get screwed by the tax system and the legal system. Someone like Bezos doesn't care because he has more billions than he could spend in 10 lifetimes but for a middle class guy living on the edge, this tilt is enough to send them over the precipice.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @JMcG, @sayless, @Corvinus

    “Women enjoy being mothers (if not to human children then at least to their pets) but being wives not so much.”

    Actually, those women who remain married and are mothers enjoy their life. Perhaps your own marriage difficulties is the factor for your cynicism?

    “Women’s suffrage has allowed them to control government to the point where the dice are loaded in their favor.”

    Yes, their machinations certainly have compelled the Trump Administration to look out for their interests (rolling of eyes).

  245. @Tono Bungay
    @ben tillman

    OK, I'll bite. Just what legislation are you referring to?

    Replies: @ConservaWhig

    OK, I’ll bite. Just what legislation are you referring to?

    I assume ben tillman is referring to this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act

  246. @Random Smartaleck
    @Chrisnonymous


    ...return to the human cultural norm of fertility rituals...
     
    Celebration of fertility is not something you will ever find in porn. It is, however, something arguably found in Heartistes later writing with his BUNS --> OVEN rhetoric.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Chrisnonymous

    “Celebration of fertility is not something you will ever find in porn.”

    I would be amazed if there’s no porn featuring pregnant or lactating women. I bet there is.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @YetAnotherAnon

    And if there is -- you think that is "celebrating"? Degradation as "celebration"?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  247. @Jane Plain

    To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment. The State can do whatever it wants but he wants nothing to do with it.

     

    You're the lawyer - can he refuse to cooperate with a DA? Can't they serve him with a subpoena?

    I'm not so sure his refusal is so altruistic. Maybe he doesn't want to be asked about his rather sinister, "I'm going to do something and you're not going to like it" comment.

    Replies: @sayless, @Anon, @Anon, @DextersLabRat

    If he’s put on the stand then the defense can have a go too.

  248. @Mr. Anon
    @Not Only Wrathful


    Admit you’re a racist who needs to be punished, or else you’re a racist who needs to be punished.
     
    How long until white people break the Gordian knot of this formulation by just admitting "I am a racist."

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Almost Missouri

    I think that most people are actually racist, and the sooner most whites admit it and stop allowing the term to provoke “white guilt” the better off our society will be. The appropriate response to “You’re racist” should be “So are you!” Let the accusers deal with that from 60 million reasonable whites who refuse to be intimidated by name calling.

  249. @SimpleSong
    At this point in history, white women sorta remind me of Celeste at the end of Mystic River . (spoiler alert) She sold out her husband for, basically, a pat on the head from the local powers that be, and a sense that she 'did the right thing.' Of course she was an idiot, her husband was actually completely innocent, but he got whacked, and now she and her son are alone and their future looks quite bleak. White men are pretty much out of power these days and one of the downstream effects of that is that the future is starting to look rather bleak for white women. Particularly those over 35.

    Not that anybody seems to be wising up. About 3 times per week in the last month I've had some baizuo at work start droning on unprompted about white privilege and black lives matter and orange man bad. I don't know why they think I would be interested in hearing their soliloquy. At least where I'm at, all the BLM marchers are primarily white women. In academia they tended to be the smiling enforcers (but not the originators) of all the anti-white male policies.

    Yes, I know, not all women, and I know that white women voted for Trump by a slim majority. But if you compare that to the voting patterns of, for example, black women... not exactly rock ribbed allies of white men.

    That's not to say that it's their fault; women just tend to go along with the zeitgeist, and the zeitgeist as anti-white male right now. The types of arguments they find persuasive tend to be appeals to authority. They put a lot of stock in whether a source appears to be reputable and less on its actual content. None of these things are necessarily bad, if the zeitgeist is healthy, and the authorities are acting in good faith they are good heuristics. Unfortunately neither of those things is true now.

    Overall, taking political and economic power away from women (of all races) would be a net positive for whites, but I've generally found that even very pro-white women, when faced with this trade off, will choose gender over race.

    So be it! Bring forth the Asians!

    Replies: @Anon, @anon, @Black-hole creator, @Jake

    It is more than women just going along with the zeitgeist. The best thing I ever read by libertarian economist and cultural historian Murray Rothbard was an article in which he concluded that in the 19th century, WASP women from New England, New York, and eastern PA led most leftwing movements, at least by agitating in print. They led the men in their circles to follow them, who then badgered the ‘other’ (non-WASP) whites to assimilate to the new ways and attitudes.

    The self-righteous Yankee schoolmarm really existed, and she did incalculable damage to conservative ways and identities.

  250. @Anonymous
    @syonredux


    So, in your ideal alternate history, the South contains millions of Blacks. In contrast, in my ideal alternate history, the South has virtually no Black
     
    That was never an option and you must know that.

    The whole driving force of northern public opinion was that Black people were poor oppressed victims who deserved help. That’s what Uncle Tom’s Cabin was all about. That’s why union troops died and killed.

    That’s why after the brutal war, the north put blacks in charge in many governorships and congress seats.

    This is a rather dishonest argument on your part. See

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    Southern elites felt that they needed control in Washington to keep spreading slavery to the West to defend slavery in the South. When they lost control of the White House in 1860, they freaked out and suddenly became States’ Rightsers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    When they lost control of the White House in 1860, they freaked out and suddenly became States’ Rightsers.
     
    I’m not sure that’s accurate. People in South Carolina wanted to secede in the 1830s over the tariff issue. There was a lot of secession talk all over the south that led to the compromise of 1850.

    Not sure how that’s relevant to the point though. The north was hardly interested in doing a favor for their white countrymen in the south. The driving force of northern propaganda was to free blacks and give them full rights. And the desire to punish white southerners was obvious.
  251. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @throtler
    @Anon

    These days the dumb Chinese have an excessive amount of men. You can take the thirty million women to your private island if you have one. The United States does not want them.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    These days the dumb Chinese have an excessive amount of men. You can take the thirty million women to your private island if you have one. The United States does not want them.

    Oh my, what a thought! A blissful, heavenly thought!

  252. @botazefa
    @Jack D


    Having 1 or 2 ICBMs capable of taking out a city is as good as having none
     
    You might want to re-think your whole idea. Bin Laden beat us with four passenger jets.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke

    You might want to re-think your whole idea. Bin Laden beat us with four passenger jets.

    Bin Laden became shark food a decade after 9/11. While in masterminding the attack, he became the most famous Muslim and Arab of his generation, beyond even Saddam, it’s hard to think of any other respect in which he won. Anybody can do a sneak attack. Winning involves, at minimum, inflicting more damage than you sustain. Given the number of dead Muslims sympathetic to his cause since the attack, I’d say bin Laden has lost in spades.

  253. @JohnPlywood
    @Whiskey


    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.
     
    Seething white female detected. White men are the champions, white women a genetic dead end:


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png

    https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.png

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @The Wild Geese Howard, @throtler, @Twinkie, @SunBakedSuburb, @Bert

    What this proves is white, Latino, and Asian women are extremely attracted to me.

  254. @AceDeuce
    @AKAHorace

    Nonwhite women-black, "Latino", and Asian-hate white women FAR more than nonwhite men hate white men. The nonwhite males do hate white men, of course, but nowhere as much.

    Nonwhite men also hate white woman with a passion. Blacks go after the white girls to use them. They are far more compliant and gullible than their own she-beasts.

    Boogie males use white women like Indian used the bison, for several essential needs: Sperm receptacle, two legged ATM, chauffeur, housekeeper, status symbol, a thumb in Mr. YT's eye, and a chance to deny white babies being born in favor of a half groid baby.

    But bottom line is nonwhites of both sexes hate white women far more than they hate white men. White women are mostly clueless about this.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @AKAHorace

    White women are mostly clueless about this.

    I’m not sure they care.

  255. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Well, I must confess that I've fallen behind on my pledge to report every heartbeat of the Porn Community. I apologize to all my readers to who came to rely on me for my obsessive interest in pornongraphy.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Anonymous, @SunBakedSuburb

    Apology accepted.

  256. @Jane Plain
    @RichardTaylor

    Yes they did - until 1808 and even illegally, thereafter.

    And after the war, no less a Confederate than Nathan Bedford Forrest proposed importing Africans to the South, because they were the "only laboring class we've ever had."

    Look it right up in the bio by Jack Hurst. It's obviously towards the end, because it happened after the war. Use the phrase "laboring class" in the Kindle "look inside feature."

    As for shipping 'em back in the 1830s, that wasn't going to happen because it was around that time that cotton became "King Cotton" and the price of slaves accordingly began to shoot through the roof.

    If you were a strapped farmer in Virginia, suddenly your wealth became those prime age hands, who could get you out of debt quickly. As for the rest, figure it out yourselves.

    There was never a crazier, more self-defeating situation than slavery in the US. We are saddled with its consequences.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd, @RichardTaylor

    We are saddled with the consequences of the Old Yankee stock which killed 700,000 White Americans and then continued on with one crazy anti-White plan after the other.

    Of course, they have been more or less pushed aside by Jews today. The Old Yankee stock was never loyal to Whites, they simply wanted to impose suffering on others. Goes back to their puritan roots of hoping to see millions burning in Hell forever.

  257. @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    There are some things to be learned from porn, just as there were from Heartiste.

    Unless you share the same abhorrence of the embodied nature of existence as Pinker (this is what underlies Better Angels of Our Nature), Heartiste was in some ways more vulgar and more subversive than pornography.

    I'm not suggesting you watch it, but at the same time, you might consider that the turn to having nudity and sexuality more or less in public (it is at hand everywhere) is in some ways a return to the human cultural norm of fertility rituals and phallic art. Were the Greeks more primitive than we? Yes. Were they likely our betters on a man-to-man comparison? Yes.

    Replies: @Random Smartaleck, @The Wild Geese Howard, @S. Anonyia

    I tend to believe that the mainstreaming of porn is simply a symptom of how much damage has been done to normal courting and relationship behaviors between men and women in social and legal terms.

    As a result, there are hordes of frustrated people out there.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I think it's complicatrd. In Japan, they had a tradition of "nightcrawling" in the agricultural past in which men would sneak into women's rooms at night for sex. People had multiple sexual partners in this way. Then in the Edo period, urban culture developed pornography (shunga). How much was it a response to urban life making nightcrawling impossible? No doubt some.

    My sense is that modern porn is partly a response to the breakdown of the promise or possibility of sex presented to everyone equally under the assumptions of our old bourgeois courting culture. But only in part. Partly, as I said above, I think it is that sexuality is such a strong motivator in human psychology that it is going to manifest itself publicly in some way without explicit restraints imposed by, eg, Judeo-Christian cultures.

    Other great apes observe each other having sex, and it is obvious from the history of man and the current popularity of porn, that H.sapiens likes that too. You can argue that it's immoral on religious or philosophical grounds, but it is hard to argue that it is abnormal in a broad biological or historical perspective.

    Replies: @Dissident

  258. @Bardon Kaldian
    @RichardTaylor

    This has nothing to do with morality or abolitionism or ....

    1. South economy was a monocultural economy without any future. Then, it seemed to be of huge importance, but this all "cotton was the king" was one of those history-economy's huge jokes. South did not have real cities, modernity, invention, electricity, manufacture,...nothing. A feudal dump with nighurs, like Brazil. The entire deep South society was a feudal morass.

    2. it is popular to argue about states' rights etc. etc.- but the Civil war was solely & exclusively about slavery & nighurs. In fact, slave states wanted to expand their "peculiar institution" further west & north, which would be, in reality, a white man's suicide.

    What did those morons think? That blacks will remain obedient forever, like cattle? They had the example of Haiti- and had not learned a bit from it. Expel all blacks or they will eventually devour you. If you base your economy on them, either as slaves or freedmen- you are doomed.

    3. if the South had seceded a few decades before, they would overflow their land with Negroes & would end up, eventually, as a second Haiti, with virtually all whites exterminated.

    Lincoln not only saved the Union. He saved Southern whites from their own self-destructive idiocy.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor

    Lincoln not only saved the Union. He saved Southern whites from their own self-destructive idiocy.

    Lincoln did not kill 700,000 White Americans because he loved them so much. The North was not concerned with “helping” the South and quite openly hated it (I’m talking the Old Yankees, not the Irish, Italians, Germans and Polish).

    Is this about trying to salvage the reputation of your sacred ancestors? Look, those people, as a group, were as anti-White as anything we see today. Maybe more so.

  259. Anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Southern elites felt that they needed control in Washington to keep spreading slavery to the West to defend slavery in the South. When they lost control of the White House in 1860, they freaked out and suddenly became States' Rightsers.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    When they lost control of the White House in 1860, they freaked out and suddenly became States’ Rightsers.

    I’m not sure that’s accurate. People in South Carolina wanted to secede in the 1830s over the tariff issue. There was a lot of secession talk all over the south that led to the compromise of 1850.

    Not sure how that’s relevant to the point though. The north was hardly interested in doing a favor for their white countrymen in the south. The driving force of northern propaganda was to free blacks and give them full rights. And the desire to punish white southerners was obvious.

  260. @Whiskey
    @Anonymous

    Quite a lot. I would say there is a huge generational shift in White women around the late 1990s. I don’t know what it is. But there is a huge difference. Look at BLM rallies. Nearly all White women.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Neoconned

    I would say there is a huge generational shift in White women around the late 1990s.

    (De) GenX women came of age in high school and college. I grew up in rural, Main Street USA and I’m amazed how many women I grew up with are total Libtards.

    Look at BLM rallies. Nearly all White women.

    Yup, and not just the fat and ugly ones. Anyone who denies it is peddling cope.

  261. @Anonymous
    @syonredux


    So, in your ideal alternate history, the South contains millions of Blacks. In contrast, in my ideal alternate history, the South has virtually no Black
     
    That was never an option and you must know that.

    The whole driving force of northern public opinion was that Black people were poor oppressed victims who deserved help. That’s what Uncle Tom’s Cabin was all about. That’s why union troops died and killed.

    That’s why after the brutal war, the north put blacks in charge in many governorships and congress seats.

    This is a rather dishonest argument on your part. See

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux

    So, in your ideal alternate history, the South contains millions of Blacks. In contrast, in my ideal alternate history, the South has virtually no Black

    That was never an option and you must know that.

    Sure it was. Back-to-Africa movements were quite popular. Liberia was founded as a place where freed slaves could go.Henry Clay, perhaps the wisest Southern politician during the period 1825-1850, was a huge fan.Indeed, Lincoln, in his eulogy, highlighted Clay’s support for African colonization:

    The American Colonization Society was organized in 1816. Mr. Clay, though not its projector, was one of its earliest members; and he died, as for the many preceding years he had been, its President. It was one of the most cherished objects of his direct care and consideration; and the association of his name with it has probably been its very greatest collateral support. He considered it no demerit in the society, that it tended to relieve slave-holders from the troublesome presence of the free negroes; but this was far from being its whole merit in his estimation. In the same speech from which I have quoted he says: “There is a moral fitness in the idea of returning to Africa her children, whose ancestors have been torn from her by the ruthless hand of fraud and violence. Transplanted in a foreign land, they will carry back to their native soil the rich fruits of religion, civilization, law and liberty. May it not be one of the great designs of the Ruler of the universe, (whose ways are often inscrutable by short-sighted mortals,) thus to transform an original crime, into a signal blessing to that most unfortunate portion of the globe?”

    http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/clay.htm

    See, it could easily have been framed as the moral solution to the problem of Blacks in Anglo-America…..But the Southern plantocracy was hooked on Black slavery……

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    So what? How does any of that justify the mass slaughter of white people? And if true, why did these same Yankees put blacks in positions of power during reconstruction?

    And during the military dictatorship in the south, Yankees could have moved millions of blacks to Africa if that was their desire.

  262. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnPlywood
    @Anonymous

    You've gotta stop vaping the leaded gasoline. Lang is an ancient Han Chinese surname originating from from what is now Shandong province, in northeast China.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Dude, look at the picture. The gal is a non-Han ethnic which no doubt adds to her resentment.

    Lang is an ancient Han Chinese surname

    Adopting obscure Chinese surnames is precisely what non-Han ethnics in China have been doing since roughly forever. Look up Ling Jihua whose well-laid plans (sorry) went spectacularly awry.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Anonymous

    Dude. Please face it, you are a moron who knows nothing.

    1.) The girl's face is clearly Han

    2.) There would be no reason for her to be resentful, as non-Han Chinese are generally considered more attractive than Han Chinese within China (this especially applies to females; southeast Asian women are considered sexier and more beautiful than Han women, and in Korea and Japan, where intermarriages between native men and southeast Asian women are skyrocketing, they are preferred as well)

    3.) The surname Lang is from North Eastern China and is an earlier Han name

    4.) You are an adjudicated mental defect.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  263. @Anon
    @SimpleSong


    Overall, taking political and economic power away from women (of all races) would be a net positive for whites, but I’ve generally found that even very pro-white women, when faced with this trade off, will choose gender over race.

    So be it! Bring forth the Asians!
     
    Hear, hear!

    Mao offered Kissinger 10 million Chinese women

    You know, China is a very poor country," Mao is quoted as saying during the exchange. "We don’t have much. What we have in excess is women. So if you want them we can give a few ...

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/02/15/mao-offered-kissinger-10-million-chinese-women/
     
    Is it too late to accept the offer? And adjust for inflation and make it 30 million Han women?

    Replies: @throtler, @AceDeuce

    Not sure about China, but a few hundred years ago, it was common for poor farmers in Japan and Korea to, if an unwanted female baby was born, simply leave the infant ,uncovered and naked, out in the woods and let the animals take care of her.

    And I don’t mean “take care of”, as in “raise her”….

  264. Anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    @Anonymous


    So, in your ideal alternate history, the South contains millions of Blacks. In contrast, in my ideal alternate history, the South has virtually no Black

    That was never an option and you must know that.

     

    Sure it was. Back-to-Africa movements were quite popular. Liberia was founded as a place where freed slaves could go.Henry Clay, perhaps the wisest Southern politician during the period 1825-1850, was a huge fan.Indeed, Lincoln, in his eulogy, highlighted Clay's support for African colonization:

    The American Colonization Society was organized in 1816. Mr. Clay, though not its projector, was one of its earliest members; and he died, as for the many preceding years he had been, its President. It was one of the most cherished objects of his direct care and consideration; and the association of his name with it has probably been its very greatest collateral support. He considered it no demerit in the society, that it tended to relieve slave-holders from the troublesome presence of the free negroes; but this was far from being its whole merit in his estimation. In the same speech from which I have quoted he says: "There is a moral fitness in the idea of returning to Africa her children, whose ancestors have been torn from her by the ruthless hand of fraud and violence. Transplanted in a foreign land, they will carry back to their native soil the rich fruits of religion, civilization, law and liberty. May it not be one of the great designs of the Ruler of the universe, (whose ways are often inscrutable by short-sighted mortals,) thus to transform an original crime, into a signal blessing to that most unfortunate portion of the globe?"
     
    http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/clay.htm

    See, it could easily have been framed as the moral solution to the problem of Blacks in Anglo-America.....But the Southern plantocracy was hooked on Black slavery......

    Replies: @Anonymous

    So what? How does any of that justify the mass slaughter of white people? And if true, why did these same Yankees put blacks in positions of power during reconstruction?

    And during the military dictatorship in the south, Yankees could have moved millions of blacks to Africa if that was their desire.

  265. @Jack D
    To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment. The State can do whatever it wants but he wants nothing to do with it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8500925/Birdwatcher-cops-called-Central-Park-Karen-refusing-cooperate-investigation.html

    I realize that gay, black birdwatchers are never going to be a crowd favorite around here, but he strikes me as an actually decent person and decent people seem to be in short supply in America 2020.

    Replies: @Anon, @scrivener3, @Getaclue, @AceDeuce

    He’s a fking nutball black racist troublemaker.

    During Fentanyl Floyd’s Fifteen Funerals (TM), the bird watcher groid bragged to the MSM that the incident with him and the white gal, which happened just before the Floyd thing, was the catalyst for the whole big riot and statue BLM extravaganza. If he hadn’t done his thang, none of the rest would have happened.

    Fk ’em all. Every one of them.

  266. @ChrisZ
    @Reg Cæsar

    Did you just make that joke up, Reg? It’s like something that would come out of Frank Gorshen in a blooper real of the old Batman TV show. You’ve got a real comedic talent.

    I do want to note that the punchline is a strange amalgam of modern and retro ideas about marriage. I wonder whether ours might be the last generation capable of appreciating it?

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Reg Cæsar

    It’s a pretty good line! Though I’ve my doubts I’ll ever be able to use it..

  267. @DextersLabRat
    @Twinkie

    There are none. And (slim, pretty) white women are still lusted after the world over. I'm guessing John Plywood is actually Kim-Chi Sook.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    And (slim, pretty) white women are still lusted after the world over.

    Yes, but slim pretty women are desired world over. And unfortunately slim white women are becoming a rarity these days, especially among the lower socio-economic segment.

    John Plywood is actually Kim-Chi Sook.

    Or a bitter white male who was rejected by attractive white women. Who knows? Best not to assume anything about anonymous or pseudonymous commenters (including you and me).

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Twinkie

    So much palaver about which race produces the most attractive women.

    #AllRacesMatter

    Seriously, great beauty is rare, but pretty is the norm among most young women. As they age, they lose it. Such is life.

    But I wouldn't say that any race has a monopoly on true great beauty.

    And standards change. I would bet that most men here wouldn't think that this lady is beautiful, but I hope I'm wrong.

    https://www.allposters.com/-sp/Sophia-Loren-1950s-Posters_i5114770_.htm

    Replies: @nebulafox

  268. @Mr. Anon
    @Twinkie


    Princeton is giving 10% off the tuition in return for going online.
     
    10%? Students should hold out for a lot more - like at least 70%. What's the point of even "attending" an Ivy League University if the experience is akin to playing a multi-player online game. That's like Carnival Cruises offering a 10% discount for "virtual cruises". Might as well attend DeVry Institute.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    What’s the point of even “attending” an Ivy League University if the experience is akin to playing a multi-player online game.

    Attending an Ivy doesn’t provide any experience different from that of any high quality university. What it confers is an imprimatur of status – that of an elite-in-training.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Twinkie


    Attending an Ivy doesn’t provide any experience different from that of any high quality university. What it confers is an imprimatur of status – that of an elite-in-training.
     
    It does that, but it also does more. It provides connections. You get to know the current and future boys (and girls) in the old boys (and girls) network.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  269. First, someone has started a Gofundme page to help Amy Cooper raise money for her defense:
    https://www.gofundme.com/f/21beacm1pc

    Please consider donating.

    I have long been troubled by what has happened to Amy Cooper. Before she called the police, Christian Cooper did three things that any woman alone in a wooded area would find threatening:

    1. When she refused to leash her dog, he said something like “You can do what you want but I’ll do what I want AND YOU’RE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT.” When I repeat that line to other women, most of whom who have not heard that, they gasp, understanding immediately that it is a subtle, implied but most definite threat.

    2. He tried to lure her dog away from her with treats, thus depriving her of a source of protection.

    3. He then began videotaping her–BEFORE she ever mentioned race.

    4. On his social media site, he called this woman a “Karen.” Thus, this man who loudly decries racism when it happens to him uses a term rife with racial, sexual, and age connotations.

    5. Now, he is being made out to be some kind of Prince Charming because he refuses to cooperate with the prosecution. The reason is probably that he realizes that in the hands of an aggressive defense attorney, he would look like the kind of misogynistic jerk that he is.

    And about the dog off leash: Amy could not use the dog walk because it was closed, probably due to COVID. Instead of cutting Amy some slack because of the unusual situation, he decided to press his point. He could have made an exception because of the circumstances.

    While misogynistic gay males are a minority within the gay community, they do exist. My guess is that an investigation of Mr. Cooper would find some really unsavory stuff about his interactions with women.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Thanks: duncsbaby
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @JessicaR

    Something that a lot of women don't appreciate is that a lot of homosexual men hate women. It's why they are homosexual. Are they a minority among gays? Probably. But I don't think they are a vanishingly small minority. Hollywood and reality television has sold straight women the meme of the fabulous gay friend, who will help them shop and accessorize, and comisserate with you over relationship problems. But the reality is that a lot of gay men - a not inconsiderable number - are more like Ernst Roehm; aggressive, women-hating homosexuals.

    Replies: @Dissident

  270. @Jane Plain

    To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment. The State can do whatever it wants but he wants nothing to do with it.

     

    You're the lawyer - can he refuse to cooperate with a DA? Can't they serve him with a subpoena?

    I'm not so sure his refusal is so altruistic. Maybe he doesn't want to be asked about his rather sinister, "I'm going to do something and you're not going to like it" comment.

    Replies: @sayless, @Anon, @Anon, @DextersLabRat

    That, and probably his life doesn’t bear public scrutiny. And he’s media savvy, like a smart activist. That’s why he immediately backed off, lamenting her firing.

    He can conceal better than most the hostility that drives him.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  271. @AceDeuce
    @AKAHorace

    Nonwhite women-black, "Latino", and Asian-hate white women FAR more than nonwhite men hate white men. The nonwhite males do hate white men, of course, but nowhere as much.

    Nonwhite men also hate white woman with a passion. Blacks go after the white girls to use them. They are far more compliant and gullible than their own she-beasts.

    Boogie males use white women like Indian used the bison, for several essential needs: Sperm receptacle, two legged ATM, chauffeur, housekeeper, status symbol, a thumb in Mr. YT's eye, and a chance to deny white babies being born in favor of a half groid baby.

    But bottom line is nonwhites of both sexes hate white women far more than they hate white men. White women are mostly clueless about this.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @AKAHorace

    But bottom line is nonwhites of both sexes hate white women far more than they hate white men. White women are mostly clueless about this

    Well then I am clueless about this as well. Are you talking from personal experience ? Why do you believe this ?

  272. @Trinity
    So what do we call all those whiny, snooty, anti-White racist, Jewish elitist "women" who are always talking about anti-Semitism, racism, and muh "holocaust." Should we call them Fran or Joan because so many sound like Fran Drescher or Joan Rivers when they "tawk?" Should we call them Ghislane? How is Ghislane doing by the way? Should we call them Sarah Bernhardt because so many look like Sarah Bernhardt and so many despise white women the way Sarah Bernhardt hated Sarah Palin. Remember long ago when (((Bernhardt))) did a "comedy routine" in front of a majority Jewish audience in Washington., D.C., where she thought that it would be funny if Palin was gang raped by two of her African American "brothas?" Come on, people, think back, you do remember this display of hate, do you not?

    Replies: @Joe Joe, @Ragno

    Sandra Bernhardt, not Sarah

  273. @Jane Plain

    To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment. The State can do whatever it wants but he wants nothing to do with it.

     

    You're the lawyer - can he refuse to cooperate with a DA? Can't they serve him with a subpoena?

    I'm not so sure his refusal is so altruistic. Maybe he doesn't want to be asked about his rather sinister, "I'm going to do something and you're not going to like it" comment.

    Replies: @sayless, @Anon, @Anon, @DextersLabRat

    That, and probably his life doesn’t bear public scrutiny. And he’s media savvy, like a smart activist. That’s why he immediately backed off, lamenting her firing.

    He can conceal better than most the hostility that drives him.

  274. @Dannyboy
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You boys who revel in your "virtuous" Yankee mythology are amusing to say the least.

    The cognitive dissonance on display as you attempt to defend men like Columbus, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Hancock etc... while simultaneously damning men like Robert E Lee, Jefferson Davis and Nathan Bedford Forrest is truly a spectacle to behold.


    When the minutemen marched off to face the redcoats at Lexington in 1775, the wives, boys and old men they left behind in Framingham took up axes, clubs, and pitchforks and barred themselves in their homes because of a widespread, and widely credited, rumor that the local slaves planned to rise up and massacre the white inhabitants while the militia was away.

     


    The first official legal recognition of chattel slavery as a legal institution in British North America was in Massachusetts, in 1641, with the "Body of Liberties." Slavery was legalized in New Plymouth and Connecticut when it was incorporated into the Articles of the New England Confederation (1643). Rhode Island enacted a similar law in 1652. That means New England had formal, legal slavery a full generation before it was established in the South.

     


    New England also was the center of the slave trade in the colonies, supplying captive Africans to the South and the Caribbean islands.
     
    http://slavenorth.com/slavenorth.htm

    So not only did Yankees BEGIN the slave trade to America, legalize it, and profit from it immensely, they continued the importation of slaves to the South even after their individual states outlawed it. In fact, they did so nearly right up to the eve of the war which they started, that resulted in the death of nearly 700,000 of their own countrymen.

    You folks are a trip.

    Replies: @Trinity

    Yeah, I have to say that many of my White Yankee brethren suffer from the Dindu Nuffin when it comes to slavery. Being originally from Maryland, I catch it from both sides, the pompous, know-it-all, self righteous Yankees, and the chip on the shoulder, ( somewhat justified) Southerners, who are still living in the past. ( kind of funny to hear White Southerners complain about Blacks not letting go of slavery when so many Southerners still despise Yankees, of course Yankees damn well deserve some of that Southern hate.)

    Simple fact is that even at the peak of slavery in America, only 6% of White Southerners even owned slaves and at best, America never had above 2% of the White population who were slave owners. Brazil had more slaves than America. Like any defeated nation or army, the South was brutalized by rape, theft, and forced to submit to subjugation to the less than sympathetic North. Like, Germany, the South was hopelessly outgunned, but like Germany, the South proved superior in combat to Northerners. IF Great Britain and France had joined the South and Russia had sided with the North, I am sure that the Southerners would have easily claimed victory over the North.

    Only the White man is supposed to feel guilty about slavery, never mind that Native Americans, Jews, Africans, Arabs, and others have enslaved Blacks, other races of people, as well as Whites in the case of Arabs. Only a gullible White race will allow itself to be extorted for something every other race is guilty of and still does to this day.

  275. @Anonymous
    Getting Karens to shut the hell up would be the only good thing BLM could accomplish.

    I have only--ONLY--ever been harrassed in public for no reason by middle aged white women. they are absolutely insanely drunk with power and oblivious to any consequences for acting like dictators of grocery store parking lots or whatever. Its honestly stunning and they need to start acting like real human beings. At least in public--i dont care what kind of abuse they dish out to their pathetic husbands in their own homes.

    Karens are also, obviously, outright terrorists in the workplace.

    Fuck them.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Up2Drew, @throtler, @S. Anonyia

    Based on your juvenile language and attitude, you probably deserved the harassing.

    Any white man who too quickly resorts to the “Karen” meme (which is becoming vile shorthand for c*** at this rate) probably had issues with his Mom.

  276. @Jane Plain
    @OilcanFloyd

    Stick to the damn subject, will you?

    We were discussing slavery.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    Stick to the damn subject, will you?

    We were discussing slavery.

    Well, if you are going to claim that nothing in U.S. history is crazier or more self-defeating than slavery, then it makes sense to point out that post-1965 immigration is crazier than slavery, and poses a far greater threat to destroy the U.S. than slavery alone ever did.

  277. @Doktor Jeep
    The Karen's are just as much a bane to white men. If they are not calling the cops and making exaggerated claims about black men, they are making false domestic violence claims on white men.
    All those raging pussy hatters out there mainly white women, average age in the late 40s. I'm glad someone recognizes this scourge.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @S. Anonyia

    Buddy, the pussy-hat gang was a story 4 years ago. They were just mad/shocked uber-Boomer Hilary didn’t win. They fizzled out, and while annoying, did not destroy property or tear down monuments.

    The current BLM rioters are 16-25 year old white girls in crop tops, some “non binary” with rainbow hair, along with light-skinned black academic hucksters leading chants, assorted trans, and dangerous white bad-boy Antifa arsonists age 18-30.

    There are hardly any white women over 30 at these protests. Much less any who’d be brave enough to ask to speak to a manager about poor service or disrespectful behavior. These Gen Z and younger millennial girls just repeat slogans the loud males and blacks scream over their megaphone. They are being used as foot soldiers for lunatics and it is pretty pathetic.

    The current crop of rioters have destroyed large sections of several major cities, blocked off roads like paramilitary organizations, and THEY are calling people like JK Rowling “Karen” now.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  278. @Chrisnonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    There are some things to be learned from porn, just as there were from Heartiste.

    Unless you share the same abhorrence of the embodied nature of existence as Pinker (this is what underlies Better Angels of Our Nature), Heartiste was in some ways more vulgar and more subversive than pornography.

    I'm not suggesting you watch it, but at the same time, you might consider that the turn to having nudity and sexuality more or less in public (it is at hand everywhere) is in some ways a return to the human cultural norm of fertility rituals and phallic art. Were the Greeks more primitive than we? Yes. Were they likely our betters on a man-to-man comparison? Yes.

    Replies: @Random Smartaleck, @The Wild Geese Howard, @S. Anonyia

    Uh, seriously?

    Most modern porn is very degenerate (sodomy) and has nothing to do with admiration of the human form or fertility.

    To compare it to nude Greek statues or pagan festivals is a joke.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @S. Anonyia

    In medicine and nursing, people become intimately associated with humans, from the macro level of observing behaviors down to the micro level of looking at tissue. Not just knowledgeable but intimate, as in deep experience from repeated exposure. While some professionals react to this by becoming desensitized to the body, others react by seeing the body as beautiful in more and different ways. I trend towards the latter. I can watch cardiac waveforms or echocardiograms for quite a while. They are beautiful.

    Sexual debauchery and pornography can have a similar effect. The aesthetic attraction of a beating heart and the sexual attraction of an annus are not the same. Yet they are not totally different either. Wonder, curiosity, sensuality. The relationship of sex and aesthetics has been long debated.

    It may be that sodomy is degenerate. But to say that degeneracy has nothing to with admiration for the human form or with fertility is not right.

  279. @Up2Drew
    @Anonymous

    Women routinely shoot off their mouths in public because they have enjoyed the security (historically) of not being smacked in response. I have always considered this exploitative of their societal status. Cowardly, even.

    When a guy calls another guy out in public there is a nonzero chance he may get hit.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Joseph Doaks

    “Women routinely shoot off their mouths in public because they have enjoyed the security (historically) of not being smacked in response.”

    This is a basic unfairness in our society: women can scream at, name call and even hit men but the equality that feminists claim does not extend to men reacting in kind.

  280. @Mr. Anon
    @Not Only Wrathful


    Admit you’re a racist who needs to be punished, or else you’re a racist who needs to be punished.
     
    How long until white people break the Gordian knot of this formulation by just admitting "I am a racist."

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks, @Almost Missouri

    And if you think that’s bad, how long until white people break the Gordian knot by just admitting, “I’m a racist who needs to be privileged.”

    Or, “I’m a racist who needs to be Emperor.”

  281. I’m ambivalent. White liberal females have caused enormous damage to society, so part of me thinks they deserve every bad thing they get.

  282. @Random Smartaleck
    @Chrisnonymous


    ...return to the human cultural norm of fertility rituals...
     
    Celebration of fertility is not something you will ever find in porn. It is, however, something arguably found in Heartistes later writing with his BUNS --> OVEN rhetoric.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Chrisnonymous

    Fertility rituals were not about “fertility” either, because sex is not about “fertility”. That is a philosophical idea, like saying people eat for nutrition. They don’t. They eat to satiate themselves. Only highly religious people or people with eating disorders eat for nutrition. Without prophylactics and abortion, the people making pornography would be producing lots of babies. And the argument that pornography replaces sex is based on the fallacy that an event of onanism displaces an event of coitus. That is not how the physiology of sex works, as the rationale for the famous Ben Stiller onanism scene in There’s Something About Mary makes clear. (Friend recommends pre-date onanism to improve coitus.) The young men watching porn in their parents basement phenomenon is not porn replacing sex, it is the response of men to the dynamics of the sexual marketplace where women’s choice reigns supreme and most men go home disappointed.

  283. @ChrisZ
    @Reg Cæsar

    Did you just make that joke up, Reg? It’s like something that would come out of Frank Gorshen in a blooper real of the old Batman TV show. You’ve got a real comedic talent.

    I do want to note that the punchline is a strange amalgam of modern and retro ideas about marriage. I wonder whether ours might be the last generation capable of appreciating it?

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @Reg Cæsar

    Did you just make that joke up, Reg?

    I made it up at least 20 years ago. Haven’t had much opportunity to use it, till now.

    a blooper real of the old Batman TV show

    Now there’s a Freudian typo.

  284. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Chrisnonymous

    I tend to believe that the mainstreaming of porn is simply a symptom of how much damage has been done to normal courting and relationship behaviors between men and women in social and legal terms.

    As a result, there are hordes of frustrated people out there.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    I think it’s complicatrd. In Japan, they had a tradition of “nightcrawling” in the agricultural past in which men would sneak into women’s rooms at night for sex. People had multiple sexual partners in this way. Then in the Edo period, urban culture developed pornography (shunga). How much was it a response to urban life making nightcrawling impossible? No doubt some.

    My sense is that modern porn is partly a response to the breakdown of the promise or possibility of sex presented to everyone equally under the assumptions of our old bourgeois courting culture. But only in part. Partly, as I said above, I think it is that sexuality is such a strong motivator in human psychology that it is going to manifest itself publicly in some way without explicit restraints imposed by, eg, Judeo-Christian cultures.

    Other great apes observe each other having sex, and it is obvious from the history of man and the current popularity of porn, that H.sapiens likes that too. You can argue that it’s immoral on religious or philosophical grounds, but it is hard to argue that it is abnormal in a broad biological or historical perspective.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Chrisnonymous


    Other great apes observe each other having sex, and it is obvious from the history of man and the current popularity of porn, that H.sapiens likes that too. You can argue that it’s immoral on religious or philosophical grounds, but it is hard to argue that it is abnormal in a broad biological or historical perspective.
     
    Technology has introduced unprecedented pervasiveness, ease of access, volume, variety, and level of graphic and audio quality to abject smut. By the age of 11 and often considerably younger, a child today is likely to have been exposed to more raw visual and audio depictions of nearly every possible explicit sex act imaginable than people in past generations were in a lifetime.

    Some relevant quotes below.


    The drive to restrict access to porn is being led by people who are worried about the effect it has on boys in regards what they think can be expected of a girlfriend, specifically in normalising peculiar sex among the young, as shown by a remarkable increase in anal sex among teens. (Excerpt from a comment posted by Sean to an Audacious Epigone thread from April 2019.)
     

    I've been with more than a few whose sexual "skills" were based off of what they watched in porn movies and honestly believed they were doing something great in the bedroom. When I finally had the pleasure to have sex with a man that REALLY knew what he was doing, I had to ask his source of enlightenment. His answer? “I didn’t grow up watching porn.”
    ~ ~ ~
    I have had a female friend tell me that some young guys that grew up with internet porn are very different in bed. She said they don't seem to understand that sex is more than hard banging without real intimacy and that they view women more as objects to use than people. I'm sure this is not true of the majority of younger guys, at least I hope not.

    (Excerpts from comments I had saved from Has Porn Effected peoples Sex lives, a 2013 thread from the forums at the Plenty of Fish dating site that I had come across. Note that while the POF site itself still appears to be active, the above URL to the forum does not.)
     

  285. @botazefa
    @Mr. Anon


    They are called “sexes”, you stupid idiot.
     
    Maybe corvinus considers gender to be synonymous with sex. Maybe he hasn't fallen for the new definition.

    Are we going to start an argument here that gender is different than sex? Is this The Atlantic?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Are we going to start an argument here that gender is different than sex?

    I don’t think there’s much of anything to argue. Sex is a biological reality. Gender is a grammatical construct.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Thanks: botazefa
  286. @Jane Plain

    To the credit of Chris Cooper, he is refusing to cooperate with the prosecution of Central Park Karen. He says that she has already paid a steep price for what she did and does not deserve further punishment. The State can do whatever it wants but he wants nothing to do with it.

     

    You're the lawyer - can he refuse to cooperate with a DA? Can't they serve him with a subpoena?

    I'm not so sure his refusal is so altruistic. Maybe he doesn't want to be asked about his rather sinister, "I'm going to do something and you're not going to like it" comment.

    Replies: @sayless, @Anon, @Anon, @DextersLabRat

    Smart. He got the attention, media profile, I’m sure career opportunities have already been thrown his way, and now he’s bowing out of the witch hunt before he overstays his welcome and it turns against him.

    Look out for this one. He’s had one taste of having the whip hand in the media. He’ll want another, it’s a bit like a serial killer mentality. But this one’s particularly dangerous because he’s clearly savvy enough to know when to back down, he may even have an innate understanding that the left always eat their own. As of now black men seem to be rather immune, but that may change, particularly since he’s gay so black women, who are on top of the pyramid right now, may not have much sympathy for him.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @DextersLabRat

    His sister, Melody, has some sort of show-biz career. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think she was with him - she might have taken the video. Even if she wasn't, she was the one who posted the video on her Twitter account, which has many followers, and many well-placed ones.

    In other words Karen-hunting is a family business.

    But my question stands. He can't just not cooperate with the prosecution. This is out of his hands now. He will be subject to subpoena. He will have to answer questions.

    Be careful what you wish for.

  287. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Mr McKenna


    Responding to the question ‘How can white women not be Karens?’ journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley explained that any woman who is ‘unwilling to accept that her whiteness is a privilege’ is a Karen
     
    Admit you're a racist who needs to be punished, or else you're a racist who needs to be punished.

    Replies: @Amerimutt Golems, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @DextersLabRat, @ben tillman

    Journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley deserve racism.

  288. @S. Anonyia
    @Chrisnonymous

    Uh, seriously?

    Most modern porn is very degenerate (sodomy) and has nothing to do with admiration of the human form or fertility.

    To compare it to nude Greek statues or pagan festivals is a joke.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    In medicine and nursing, people become intimately associated with humans, from the macro level of observing behaviors down to the micro level of looking at tissue. Not just knowledgeable but intimate, as in deep experience from repeated exposure. While some professionals react to this by becoming desensitized to the body, others react by seeing the body as beautiful in more and different ways. I trend towards the latter. I can watch cardiac waveforms or echocardiograms for quite a while. They are beautiful.

    Sexual debauchery and pornography can have a similar effect. The aesthetic attraction of a beating heart and the sexual attraction of an annus are not the same. Yet they are not totally different either. Wonder, curiosity, sensuality. The relationship of sex and aesthetics has been long debated.

    It may be that sodomy is degenerate. But to say that degeneracy has nothing to with admiration for the human form or with fertility is not right.

  289. @Anonymous
    *THE* crucial factor in the survival of white America in the future is whether the generality of white women will continue to side with the 'equality' bandwagon against white men - a stance which over the past century has, to be honest, delivered enormous unwarranted benefits to them - or to act against their own overpoweringly selfish and cunning feminine instincts and actually act rationally and realise the ultimate consequences of their actions.

    I can't say I hold out much hope.

    Replies: @DextersLabRat

    If white men shunned every single SJW they would change their tune immediately. If going to a BLM march made you a pariah in terms of marriage material they would stop tomorrow. It’s down to white men, not women.

  290. @Trinity
    So what do we call all those whiny, snooty, anti-White racist, Jewish elitist "women" who are always talking about anti-Semitism, racism, and muh "holocaust." Should we call them Fran or Joan because so many sound like Fran Drescher or Joan Rivers when they "tawk?" Should we call them Ghislane? How is Ghislane doing by the way? Should we call them Sarah Bernhardt because so many look like Sarah Bernhardt and so many despise white women the way Sarah Bernhardt hated Sarah Palin. Remember long ago when (((Bernhardt))) did a "comedy routine" in front of a majority Jewish audience in Washington., D.C., where she thought that it would be funny if Palin was gang raped by two of her African American "brothas?" Come on, people, think back, you do remember this display of hate, do you not?

    Replies: @Joe Joe, @Ragno

    So what do we call all those whiny, snooty, anti-White racist, Jewish elitist “women” who are always talking about anti-Semitism, racism, and muh “holocaust.” Should we call them Fran or Joan because so many sound like Fran Drescher or Joan Rivers when they “tawk?” Should we call them Ghislane?

    Cut out the middle-man and just call ’em Hadassahs. Not much wiggle-room for kill-me-last ‘interpretation’ there. “Esther” is good, too – especially if pronounced Es-TA. “Shulamith” might be overkill, though.

    Should we call them Sarah Bernhardt because so many look like Sarah Bernhardt and so many despise white women the way Sarah Bernhardt hated Sarah Palin.

    Since the hag you’re thinking of is Sandra Berrnhardt, and calling her Sarah Bernhardt is probably the fondest wish of her reptilian black heart, I’d say: no. No, don’t call her that.

  291. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    "the Violent History of White Womanhood"

    It's a chicken and egg issue, but corruption of language and corruption of thought go hand in hand. One of the most unnerving things about all this nonsense is the re-definition of words to have insane or ludicrous meanings, such as the idea that "violence" means things other than what is violent, viz "violence" means any thing the speaker wishes to randomly demonize.

    The sheer intellectual collapse caused by the constant thoughtless repetition and fanatic assertion of meaningless voodoo words and wizard-words is frightening to behold: phrases like "white privilege," "white supremacy," and "systemic racism" are meaningless nonsensical gibberish. Our entire discourse has come to consist of buzzwords, BLM's intellectual substance could fit on a Bazooka Joe comic.

    BLM CRAZY: We must dismantle systemic racism!

    MYSELF: "Systemic racism" was called Jim Crow, and we dismantled it 60 years ago. Jim Crow is what an actual "system" supporting "racism" looks like.

    BLM NUTTER: Well, then we must dismantle structural racism!

    MYSELF: "Structural racism" was called "slavery," and that was dismantled 160 years ago. You don't know what a "structure" is, do you.

    BLM NUTTER: We must destroy white supremacy!

    MYSELF: So in other words, your plan is to become the slaves of the Chinese. If you supplant Whites in the power structure, you will be incapable of defending or holding this territory. The Chinese will have you back in chains about 15 minutes after what you childishly call White supremacy is abolished. You guys can't even make a two-story building, you think you can build and fly an F-16?

    Replies: @Moses

    BLM’s intellectual substance could fit on a Bazooka Joe comic.

    Brilliant.

  292. @Altai
    @wren

    Jesse Signal is on there for the same reason Matt Yglesias is there.

    https://twitter.com/CityBureaucrat/status/1276550259511083008

    Replies: @Moses

    Great tweet. SCB is the best.

  293. @Space Ghost
    Believe women, they said. Unless it's a white woman talking about a Black™ man. Then, don't believe women.

    Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild, @Dissident

    Believe women, they said. Unless it’s a white woman talking about a Black™ man.

    Or if believing a woman would otherwise harm The Narrative, or thwart the advancement of one the Good People. For example, the accusations of Tara Reade against Joe Biden; numerous women against Bill Clinton, etc.

    I must note that while today’s Democrats may be unrivaled in such glaring hypocrisy and double-standards, such vices are not exclusive to them or any particular entity (but rather are endemic to the human condition). As others here no doubt recall, the GOP Senator who led the charge during the impeachment of Bill Clinton–

    [MORE]
    not just in making a legal case against the past President but who specifically chastised him in highly moralistic language– was none other than the same individual who, when confronted about a long-term affair that he had carried-on at the age of 43 with a married mother of several young children, dismissed it as “a youthful indiscretion“.

    Then, around two decades later, I noticed, in many Trump supporters, a striking contrast between their response to the Monica Lewinsky scandal and their response to certain documented, undisputed behavior that was at least as unsavory and reprehensible on the part of our now-sitting President. (In both of the cases that I am contrasting here, I am excluding unproven allegations and rumors.) The 21-year-old White House intern Lewinsky was by all accounts a jezebel with a history of specifically enticing married men.

    A considerable number of the very same people who painted Clinton as a degenerate, predatory rake for cavorting with that seductress– one whom they absurdly portrayed as a pristine, innocent victim– exhibited a markedly different response in the face of incontrovertible evidence of a long pattern of behavior by a different individual that includes very public boasting of his sexual conquests of married women– while he was himself married and had school-age children. At least Clinton had the modicum of decency/shame not to boast, at least not publicly, about any of his sexual indiscretions.

  294. @Anonymous
    @SimpleSong

    In the rapidly changing America no one will be missed more than white male, the group that gave the world plumbing, engineering, chemistry, physics, electricity, cars, airplanes, electronics, computers, modern medicine, space flight, ... in a nutshell, everything in modern civilization (except for, maybe, the traffic light).

    Who will these white women have to bitch at when the degradation of the infrastructure begins to affect their cushy life. They’ll have fun in the huge swathes of the country which get cold during the winter. Now they still take it for granted there are plenty of white guys around with testosterone who know how to use tools and who make sure the electrical grid and power and heating systems stay up and running efficiently.

    The white male is the sine qua non of civilization. Every other group just needs to show appreciation and occasionally say “thank you” to the white male for every modern technology they use, need, and desire. Not that we need any approval, after all, it’s just part of our nature to want to discover and create and make the world a better place. 👊🏻

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    This is why “white supremacy” is actually a good thing. If people like Charles Blow were supreme, we’d be living in caves.

  295. Anonymous[437] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thoughts
    Back when I was a kid, my non-white girlfriends would use their friendship with me as 'social proof' to date white men.

    The best story was when an Asian girlfriend showed my photo at a Frat Party I wasn't present at and asked all the guys 'Do you think she's pretty? She's my best friend!' And yes, it was at that frat party that she met her future white husband.

    Don't worry, when I realized what my true purpose as 'friend' was I quickly cut ties with them all.

    Now that the non-white women have the majority, it's all out war...the mask put on so carefully for so many years...is finally off!

    I do hope the current political climate is making a lot of white men and women in interracial relationships rethink their choices.

    If you don't have kids, it's not too late to start over!!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The best story was when an Asian girlfriend showed my photo at a Frat Party I wasn’t present at and asked all the guys ‘Do you think she’s pretty? She’s my best friend!’

    I’ve never heard of men being attracted to a woman because she had attractive friends. Apparently the opposite is true. Having uglier friends makes one look better:

    ” ‘Ugly friend effect’ proved: attractiveness boosted by appearing next to those less good-looking ”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/09/29/ugly-friend-effect-proved-attractiveness-boosted-by-appearing-ne/

    It has been called the “ugly friend effect” – the propensity for someone to appear more attractive than they otherwise would when in the company of people less blessed by good looks.

    Until now this might have been dismissed as an old wives’ tale, but new research appears to have confirmed the phenomenon is a scientific fact.

    A study in the journal Psychological Science has shown that a person will rank higher on a scale of attractiveness when compared alongside less attractive people than when judged in isolation.

  296. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve,

    In more ways than the average Joe Blow cares to think, Ron Jeremy, is *the* archetypal American everyman.
    How else do you think that such a repulsive specimen could have garnered enormous popularity and exposure?
    The archetype is that Jeremy - passed his prime, beer-gutted, balding, unkempt, uncouth and hideous to look at, succeeds with women. The unspoken message is that if he can, Mr. Middle American can too.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Reg Cæsar

    The archetype is that Jeremy – passed his prime, beer-gutted, balding, unkempt, uncouth and hideous to look at, succeeds with women. The unspoken message is that if he can, Mr. Middle American can too.

    According to his son Mike, this is what Bill Veeck told Harry Caray when the latter at first demurred at singing “Take Me Out to the Ball Game”. Every schmo in the park would think he sang better.

    Saints owner Mike Veeck on his father, racial justice and the popularity of Bill Murray

  297. @Anon
    @Ed


    Of course the irony in all of this is none of it could happen without white women. They are easily the driving force in our current madness.
     
    A lot of the madness was nurtured and propagated by public education which is overwhelmingly run by white women.

    Which reminds me...

    https://news.yahoo.com/mary-kay-letourneau-teacher-jailed-035831250.html

    Mary Kay Letourneau, teacher jailed for raping student, dies at 58

    July 7, 2020

    SEATTLE (AP) — Mary Kay Letourneau, a teacher who married her former sixth-grade student after she was convicted of raping him in a case that drew international headlines, has died. She was 58.

    Her lawyer David Gehrke told multiple news outlets Letourneau died Tuesday of cancer. He did not immediately return an email from The Associated Press.

    Letourneau was a married mother of four in 1996 when she taught 12-year-old Vili Fualaau in her class at Shorewood Elementary in Burien, a south Seattle suburb...

     

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Mary Kay Letourneau’s father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Schmitz

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @duncsbaby

    I watched a Schmitz speech when he ran for President in 1972.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    , @Twinkie
    @duncsbaby

    Read about two of her brothers, including the one who worked for Erik Prince.

  298. @duncsbaby
    @Anon

    Mary Kay Letourneau's father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Schmitz

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Twinkie

    I watched a Schmitz speech when he ran for President in 1972.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Steve Sailer

    He sounds like he was probably right on a lot of things. Unfortunately he couldn't keep his pecker in his pants.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  299. @Jane Plain
    But, in the real world, who is taking whose men?

    Perhaps we should have a "Karen v. Erin" meme. Karen is all that is bad about white womanhood, Erin is good. (Except that she steals a high quality black man who should have married a black woman but that doesn't matter because it's all in a good cause.)

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1280663941857906688?s=20

    Replies: @Ed, @duncsbaby

    Because if there’s one thing Rural Minnesota has been crying out for, it’s Racial Justice.

  300. @Steve Sailer
    @duncsbaby

    I watched a Schmitz speech when he ran for President in 1972.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    He sounds like he was probably right on a lot of things. Unfortunately he couldn’t keep his pecker in his pants.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @duncsbaby

    Like father like daughter.

  301. @Twinkie
    @Mr. Anon


    What’s the point of even “attending” an Ivy League University if the experience is akin to playing a multi-player online game.
     
    Attending an Ivy doesn’t provide any experience different from that of any high quality university. What it confers is an imprimatur of status - that of an elite-in-training.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Attending an Ivy doesn’t provide any experience different from that of any high quality university. What it confers is an imprimatur of status – that of an elite-in-training.

    It does that, but it also does more. It provides connections. You get to know the current and future boys (and girls) in the old boys (and girls) network.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Mr. Anon


    It does that, but it also does more. It provides connections. You get to know the current and future boys (and girls) in the old boys (and girls) network.
     
    That’s not just the Ivies (I’m a double Ivy alum as is my wife). Virginia Tech, for example, has an engineering mafia in the Beltway.

    An Ivy League degree is a status marker/luxury good these days, nothing more.
  302. @JessicaR
    First, someone has started a Gofundme page to help Amy Cooper raise money for her defense:
    https://www.gofundme.com/f/21beacm1pc

    Please consider donating.


    I have long been troubled by what has happened to Amy Cooper. Before she called the police, Christian Cooper did three things that any woman alone in a wooded area would find threatening:

    1. When she refused to leash her dog, he said something like "You can do what you want but I'll do what I want AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT." When I repeat that line to other women, most of whom who have not heard that, they gasp, understanding immediately that it is a subtle, implied but most definite threat.

    2. He tried to lure her dog away from her with treats, thus depriving her of a source of protection.

    3. He then began videotaping her--BEFORE she ever mentioned race.

    4. On his social media site, he called this woman a "Karen." Thus, this man who loudly decries racism when it happens to him uses a term rife with racial, sexual, and age connotations.

    5. Now, he is being made out to be some kind of Prince Charming because he refuses to cooperate with the prosecution. The reason is probably that he realizes that in the hands of an aggressive defense attorney, he would look like the kind of misogynistic jerk that he is.

    And about the dog off leash: Amy could not use the dog walk because it was closed, probably due to COVID. Instead of cutting Amy some slack because of the unusual situation, he decided to press his point. He could have made an exception because of the circumstances.

    While misogynistic gay males are a minority within the gay community, they do exist. My guess is that an investigation of Mr. Cooper would find some really unsavory stuff about his interactions with women.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Something that a lot of women don’t appreciate is that a lot of homosexual men hate women. It’s why they are homosexual. Are they a minority among gays? Probably. But I don’t think they are a vanishingly small minority. Hollywood and reality television has sold straight women the meme of the fabulous gay friend, who will help them shop and accessorize, and comisserate with you over relationship problems. But the reality is that a lot of gay men – a not inconsiderable number – are more like Ernst Roehm; aggressive, women-hating homosexuals.

    • Thanks: Neoconned
    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Mr. Anon


    But the reality is that a lot of gay men – a not inconsiderable number – are more like Ernst Roehm; aggressive, women-hating homosexuals.
     
    Apropos, from June:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/gays-are-being-demoted-on-intersectional-totem-pole/#comment-3952080
    AnotherGuessModel says:
    I think some straight women who are all in for LGBT rights may feel uncomfortable to have discovered just how sexually deviant and toxic the gay male subculture can be, and that “love is love” doesn’t quite pan out in such a neat and wholesome way. It may also be a shock to discover the genuinely misogynistic views that are widespread among gay men – basically, take having physical and intellectual disgust and social envy for women, and subtract any sexual attraction to them.
     
    It would appear that a considerable number of the men who embrace the type of emphatically anti-buggery[1], frot-centric[2], fidelity-centric homoeroticism that is promoted at dissident sites such as Man2ManAlliance DOT org* and g0ys DOT org* (yes, that's g0y with a zero) are bisexual, and less likely to be misogynistic than men who identify with the prevailing buggery-centric Gay culture.
    *GRAPHIC CONTENT. Citation =/= Endorsement.

    [1] Buggery: ano-rectal copulation.

    [2]Frot is the term coined by Man2Man Alliance founder Bill Weintraub for the phallus-on-phallus act that he advocates as the egalitarian, true form of male homoerotic intercourse. Objectively, no form of homosexuality can be considered equivalent to normative heterosexuality. (And the latter-- specifically within the confines of matrimony-- is the only form of sexuality that can be sanctioned Judaically.)

    That noted, as long as the reality remains that there are/will be actively homoerotic males, the forecited non-penetrative, egalitarian, non-emasculating, more restrained, more refined forms of homoeroticism are vastly preferable-- in multiple respects-- than the patently depraved, inherently predatory, disease-promoting buggery-centric forms. Unfortunately it is the latter (less wholesome) varieties of homoeroticism that are aggressively and practically exclusively promoted by what is a deeply entrenched Gay/ AIDS establishment that belittles the former (more wholesome) varieties and attacks, insults and mocks those who dare to promote them. By the moment a young male has identified as "Gay" , he is subjected-to a relentless campaign of propaganda that extols, glorifies and whitewashes the hideous realities of the act of buggery, and the manifestly degenerate culture that surrounds it.

    Such conditioning is necessary, for despite what the propagandists would have one believe, just because a male may find being erotically attracted to other males entirely natural for him, it absolutely does not follow that his instinctive reaction to being anally penetrated will be anything less than the repulsion and repellence that is the instinctive, reflexive, universal normal human response to such a brutal, unnatural invasion of one's anatomy.

    I have personally witnessed at least one self-identified homosexual adolescent male go from acknowledging, at least up to a point, the decidedly unfavorable anatomical and physiological realities of buggery and vowing that he would never engage in the act, to mocking and attacking other homosexual males who expressed dissident, anti-buggery views. I can also never forget the moving response upon being introduced to the concept of frot that I once witnessed from a young man at an expressly Gay web site. This lad expressed great interest and wonder at the idea of frot, finding it immensely appealing. He was specifically greatly intrigued by the idea that such an act-- one that appeared to be "so much easier" than buggery-- could serve as a satisfactory alternative to it. It almost seemed to him too good to be true; he specifically asked, "Is it really possible to [climax] from that alone?" (Of course, the buggery mongers would no doubt be quite happy for such a lad to never learn that the answer to his question is an emphatic yes.)

    Replies: @anon

  303. @Thomas
    Poetic justice. Half the trouble America and the West faces started by giving white women the vote and catering to their frivolous desires. Let the dumb, perimenopausal cows get their heads caved in as their formerly-safe gentrified hipsterburgs turn on them.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Jesse, @Thea, @AUSA(ret), @Joseph Doaks, @ScarletNumber

    Yes, seeing white women get their just deserts has given me schadenfreude. They sure know how to play the “damsel in distress” card.

  304. @duncsbaby
    @Steve Sailer

    He sounds like he was probably right on a lot of things. Unfortunately he couldn't keep his pecker in his pants.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Like father like daughter.

  305. @duncsbaby
    @Anon

    Mary Kay Letourneau's father: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Schmitz

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Twinkie

    Read about two of her brothers, including the one who worked for Erik Prince.

  306. @Mr. Anon
    @Twinkie


    Attending an Ivy doesn’t provide any experience different from that of any high quality university. What it confers is an imprimatur of status – that of an elite-in-training.
     
    It does that, but it also does more. It provides connections. You get to know the current and future boys (and girls) in the old boys (and girls) network.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    It does that, but it also does more. It provides connections. You get to know the current and future boys (and girls) in the old boys (and girls) network.

    That’s not just the Ivies (I’m a double Ivy alum as is my wife). Virginia Tech, for example, has an engineering mafia in the Beltway.

    An Ivy League degree is a status marker/luxury good these days, nothing more.

  307. @YetAnotherAnon
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Dogs are great (if you're not in a city), but better to get one AFTER you have kids.

    They're also like children in that you appreciate them a lot more when you have one of your own.


    "There is sorrow enough in the natural way
    From men and women to fill our day;
    And when we are certain of sorrow in store,
    Why do we always arrange for more?
    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
    "
     
    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_dog.htm

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous

    Better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all.

  308. @Mr. Anon
    @JessicaR

    Something that a lot of women don't appreciate is that a lot of homosexual men hate women. It's why they are homosexual. Are they a minority among gays? Probably. But I don't think they are a vanishingly small minority. Hollywood and reality television has sold straight women the meme of the fabulous gay friend, who will help them shop and accessorize, and comisserate with you over relationship problems. But the reality is that a lot of gay men - a not inconsiderable number - are more like Ernst Roehm; aggressive, women-hating homosexuals.

    Replies: @Dissident

    But the reality is that a lot of gay men – a not inconsiderable number – are more like Ernst Roehm; aggressive, women-hating homosexuals.

    Apropos, from June:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/gays-are-being-demoted-on-intersectional-totem-pole/#comment-3952080
    AnotherGuessModel says:
    I think some straight women who are all in for LGBT rights may feel uncomfortable to have discovered just how sexually deviant and toxic the gay male subculture can be, and that “love is love” doesn’t quite pan out in such a neat and wholesome way. It may also be a shock to discover the genuinely misogynistic views that are widespread among gay men – basically, take having physical and intellectual disgust and social envy for women, and subtract any sexual attraction to them.

    It would appear that a considerable number of the men who embrace the type of emphatically anti-buggery[1], frot-centric[2], fidelity-centric homoeroticism that is promoted at dissident sites such as

    [MORE]
    Man2ManAlliance DOT org* and g0ys DOT org* (yes, that’s g0y with a zero) are bisexual, and less likely to be misogynistic than men who identify with the prevailing buggery-centric Gay culture.
    *GRAPHIC CONTENT. Citation =/= Endorsement.

    [1] Buggery: ano-rectal copulation.

    [2]Frot is the term coined by Man2Man Alliance founder Bill Weintraub for the phallus-on-phallus act that he advocates as the egalitarian, true form of male homoerotic intercourse. Objectively, no form of homosexuality can be considered equivalent to normative heterosexuality. (And the latter– specifically within the confines of matrimony– is the only form of sexuality that can be sanctioned Judaically.)

    That noted, as long as the reality remains that there are/will be actively homoerotic males, the forecited non-penetrative, egalitarian, non-emasculating, more restrained, more refined forms of homoeroticism are vastly preferable– in multiple respects– than the patently depraved, inherently predatory, disease-promoting buggery-centric forms. Unfortunately it is the latter (less wholesome) varieties of homoeroticism that are aggressively and practically exclusively promoted by what is a deeply entrenched Gay/ AIDS establishment that belittles the former (more wholesome) varieties and attacks, insults and mocks those who dare to promote them. By the moment a young male has identified as “Gay” , he is subjected-to a relentless campaign of propaganda that extols, glorifies and whitewashes the hideous realities of the act of buggery, and the manifestly degenerate culture that surrounds it.

    Such conditioning is necessary, for despite what the propagandists would have one believe, just because a male may find being erotically attracted to other males entirely natural for him, it absolutely does not follow that his instinctive reaction to being anally penetrated will be anything less than the repulsion and repellence that is the instinctive, reflexive, universal normal human response to such a brutal, unnatural invasion of one’s anatomy.

    I have personally witnessed at least one self-identified homosexual adolescent male go from acknowledging, at least up to a point, the decidedly unfavorable anatomical and physiological realities of buggery and vowing that he would never engage in the act, to mocking and attacking other homosexual males who expressed dissident, anti-buggery views. I can also never forget the moving response upon being introduced to the concept of frot that I once witnessed from a young man at an expressly Gay web site. This lad expressed great interest and wonder at the idea of frot, finding it immensely appealing. He was specifically greatly intrigued by the idea that such an act– one that appeared to be “so much easier” than buggery– could serve as a satisfactory alternative to it. It almost seemed to him too good to be true; he specifically asked, “Is it really possible to [climax] from that alone?” (Of course, the buggery mongers would no doubt be quite happy for such a lad to never learn that the answer to his question is an emphatic yes.)

    • Replies: @anon
    @Dissident

    Dude, your gayness has gotten tiresome now that you are quoting yourself.

    Give it a rest, a really long rest.

  309. Looking at the post everyone is complaining about the shells in their eggs instead of trying to find out how the shells got in there to begin with.

    Let’s look at the big picture here.

    The Virus is the Distraction.

    The Riots are a Distraction

    ‘Begin with the end in mind’ as Steven Covey said in his tapes.

    “But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.”

    Recognize these words?

    What do the measures taken, and planed, evince?
    What do the riots evince?
    What does this “Karen”, and the whole “White Privilege” thing, so called, evince?
    What have the words and writings of the major players in this evince?

    Bill Gates has talked about around a 10% population reduction. That’s 700,000,000 people.

    Those who paid for the Georgia Guide Stones were much more bold, and placed as point #1: “Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.”

    That’s a reduction of 6.5 B people.

    The food supply is being disrupted.
    https://www.agriculture.com/news/livestock/as-meat-plants-slow-us-will-help-growers-kill-livestock

    Manufacturing is being disrupted.
    The health care system is being disrupted.
    The fuel supply is being disrupted.
    How long before the electricity is on half the time – No electricity no refrigeration or freezers. Now there can be little or no storage or preservation of fresh foods.

    Will the seed supply be there next year?

    But, these people are not the problem.

    Their useful idiots running around tearing things up and pulling down monuments are going to be cast aside when they are done with them. Just as the case was with poor old Dread Scott.

    You can learn about how much his handlers cared about him as a person here in Greg Loren Durand’ book America’s Caesar

    https://confederatereprint.com/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=272

    “Furthermore, on 26 May 1857 – not two months after the Supreme Court decision – Scott was quietly and carelessly turned onto the streets of St. Louis Missouri to fend for himself, further proving the expressed concern of the anti-slavery forces for the welfare of the Negroes to be a sham”. Reference is the St. Lewis News, 8 April 1857 and the New York Tribune, 10 April 1857.

    They could just be the tool, like Pharaoh, or the Romans, or the Chaldeans. The problem is all of humanity has rejected God and his Law and substituted their own god and law.

    Every law has a god as its source. In America we have made “We The People” our god. Those who demand you wear a mask and stay home and stay apart are the enforcers of this god’s law. Just like Baal had his enforcers.

    Read the book of Habakkuk as see if America is not seen in the Chaldeans.
    Habakkuk ch 1
    vs6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans, that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land, to possess the dwelling places that are not theirs.
    vs7 They are terrible and dreadful: their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.

    Read The Revelation and see what is coming and if this is not just another step.

    Look at the past sermons of Pastor John Weaver.
    johnweaverlibrary.famguardian.org/

    He tells it like it is, and has for a long time.

    Here is a very good sermon on the subject of why Americans are following those who are leading us down the path to destruction.

    https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=130171123101

    That link to The Confederate Reprint Company is a good source for the truth is you want it.

    Old books, those are the ones you want. Written by toe people who were there.

    In the Bible there are 2 verses:
    Psalm 118
    8 It is better to take refuge in the Lord
    than to trust in humans.
    9 It is better to take refuge in the Lord
    than to trust in princes.

    America has trusted in man for so long we have forgotten how to think.
    Most still watch the TV news and read the paper.

    Easy to spot these people too. Just let them talk. Hard to miss them!

    Hint: they are wearing a mask.

    The CDC, WHO, and major players in this, Flocci and Gates, have a proven track record of death and destruction, yet they are driving the bus here…and the mass of the people, businesses, factories, and, worst of all, the Churches, are following right along fighting for a seat.

    But, most importantly, are you a Christian? If so, rest easy. We are told over 300 times to “fear not”. We are told to be gentile as the dove, but wise as the serpent.

    If not, better decide if you will follow Jesus and accept Him as your Lord and Savior.

    “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

    The flu and riots are the distraction. Do not forget that.

    verbum sat sapienti est

    Brutus

  310. @Dr. Taylor
    White people are their worst enemies themselves.
    It's not black and brown folks who are bringing you down.
    It's white Leftists who are doing all this.
    Mr. Kim Jong whenever you gets those missiles ready, please launch one in Seattle, one in Portland and one in San Francisco.

    Replies: @RichardTaylor, @Colin Wright, @Icy Blast, @ontherocks

    Let’s just hope their guidance systems are “worth a flip”.

  311. @Not Only Wrathful
    Calling the police is "a shameless display entitlement, privilege and racism", and it has nothing to do with being vulnerable to criminal predations.

    Interesting.

    Replies: @Aardvark, @Brutus Antifederlist

    It has been stated in court cases the police do not have to respond, do not have to stop a crime, are not obligated to protect you in any way.

    Yet, we still thing there are a force for good.

    We see them run and hide more and more.

    Carry a weapon. Know how to use it. Be willing to use it. Stay alert.

    A can of bear spray is a great alternative, or companion, to deadly force and can clear a large area. Watch the wind though.

    Brutus

  312. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Steve Sailer

    “Steve, what do think of pornography?”

    “I don’t know, I don’t even own a pornograph.”

    https://youtu.be/VsAdGg-f8RA?t=9

    Replies: @ontherocks

    I am showing my age, but I am pretty sure the “I don’t own a pornograph” line was spoken by Goldie Hawn on “Laugh In”.

  313. @DextersLabRat
    @Jane Plain

    Smart. He got the attention, media profile, I'm sure career opportunities have already been thrown his way, and now he's bowing out of the witch hunt before he overstays his welcome and it turns against him.

    Look out for this one. He's had one taste of having the whip hand in the media. He'll want another, it's a bit like a serial killer mentality. But this one's particularly dangerous because he's clearly savvy enough to know when to back down, he may even have an innate understanding that the left always eat their own. As of now black men seem to be rather immune, but that may change, particularly since he's gay so black women, who are on top of the pyramid right now, may not have much sympathy for him.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    His sister, Melody, has some sort of show-biz career. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think she was with him – she might have taken the video. Even if she wasn’t, she was the one who posted the video on her Twitter account, which has many followers, and many well-placed ones.

    In other words Karen-hunting is a family business.

    But my question stands. He can’t just not cooperate with the prosecution. This is out of his hands now. He will be subject to subpoena. He will have to answer questions.

    Be careful what you wish for.

  314. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Amerimutt Golems

    Dr Charlotte Lydia Riley isn't Jewish. Does that falsify your comment?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    I’ve just remembered – she’s the woman who said that when walking in the streets, she never takes evasive action if the oncoming person is male.

    “A few days ago, I was having a bad morning: my train tickets were expensive, my train was delayed, and my coffee was cold,” Riley wrote. “But I cheered myself up by playing a game on my commute. The game is called Patriarchy Chicken, and the rules are simple: do not move out of the way for men.”

    If that sounds like something that would be ungentlemanly conduct if perpetrated by a man, you would be correct in your assessment. Generally speaking, people will go to great lengths to avoid a collision, and will often create disorganized chaos as they humorously attempt to bob and weave out of each other’s way.

    For Riley, however, it’s about fighting the so-called patriarchy.

    https://thepeoplesledger.com/professor-says-she-plays-chicken-with-men-while-walking-to-empower-women/

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I checked her Twitter. She says that her hair is so heavy without a haircut that she has a permanent headache. I feel that the cause may be that she has to listen to her nonsense arguments all the time instead.

    Like Cocaine, moral narcissism, which is all her Twitter is, gives a great high, but it also leaves you with a horrible headache.

    I wish she could see the damage she does to herself and stop.

  315. @Chrisnonymous
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    I think it's complicatrd. In Japan, they had a tradition of "nightcrawling" in the agricultural past in which men would sneak into women's rooms at night for sex. People had multiple sexual partners in this way. Then in the Edo period, urban culture developed pornography (shunga). How much was it a response to urban life making nightcrawling impossible? No doubt some.

    My sense is that modern porn is partly a response to the breakdown of the promise or possibility of sex presented to everyone equally under the assumptions of our old bourgeois courting culture. But only in part. Partly, as I said above, I think it is that sexuality is such a strong motivator in human psychology that it is going to manifest itself publicly in some way without explicit restraints imposed by, eg, Judeo-Christian cultures.

    Other great apes observe each other having sex, and it is obvious from the history of man and the current popularity of porn, that H.sapiens likes that too. You can argue that it's immoral on religious or philosophical grounds, but it is hard to argue that it is abnormal in a broad biological or historical perspective.

    Replies: @Dissident

    Other great apes observe each other having sex, and it is obvious from the history of man and the current popularity of porn, that H.sapiens likes that too. You can argue that it’s immoral on religious or philosophical grounds, but it is hard to argue that it is abnormal in a broad biological or historical perspective.

    Technology has introduced unprecedented pervasiveness, ease of access, volume, variety, and level of graphic and audio quality to abject smut. By the age of 11 and often considerably younger, a child today is likely to have been exposed to more raw visual and audio depictions of nearly every possible explicit sex act imaginable than people in past generations were in a lifetime.

    Some relevant quotes below.

    [MORE]

    The drive to restrict access to porn is being led by people who are worried about the effect it has on boys in regards what they think can be expected of a girlfriend, specifically in normalising peculiar sex among the young, as shown by a remarkable increase in anal sex among teens. (Excerpt from a comment posted by Sean to an Audacious Epigone thread from April 2019.)

    I’ve been with more than a few whose sexual “skills” were based off of what they watched in porn movies and honestly believed they were doing something great in the bedroom. When I finally had the pleasure to have sex with a man that REALLY knew what he was doing, I had to ask his source of enlightenment. His answer? “I didn’t grow up watching porn.”
    ~ ~ ~
    I have had a female friend tell me that some young guys that grew up with internet porn are very different in bed. She said they don’t seem to understand that sex is more than hard banging without real intimacy and that they view women more as objects to use than people. I’m sure this is not true of the majority of younger guys, at least I hope not.

    (Excerpts from comments I had saved from Has Porn Effected peoples Sex lives, a 2013 thread from the forums at the Plenty of Fish dating site that I had come across. Note that while the POF site itself still appears to be active, the above URL to the forum does not.)

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  316. @Whiskey
    @Anonymous

    Quite a lot. I would say there is a huge generational shift in White women around the late 1990s. I don’t know what it is. But there is a huge difference. Look at BLM rallies. Nearly all White women.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Neoconned

    Im sitting outside in the shade now at work. Its 95F with 100% humidity. Feels like Phoenix only with more sweat.

    Down here in this giant humid armpit the white girls used to have a stigma about “dating black”….of course they don’t date nerdy black dudes….just thugs…

    But around the mid 1990s to late 90s it became hip to have a black bf. Only marginal white girls and fugly/fatties did it at 1st but it slowly expanded. Now its real hip. Im being serious….in my old high school alma meter the blond cheerleaders date black football players. This has to stop….amd fast. White girls literally dont grow on trees….every one taken off the market by the “thug bug” that makes them tingle or the stds or the bastard kids they have makes them less desirable than a 300 lb 35 yr old latina. At least if you have relations w her you won’t get the Clap or genitalia warts….

  317. @ABDOULAYE Pierre
    America is a land of opportunity.
    If you work hard , then you will succeed here.
    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002.
    Got a degree in Computer Engineering from UC Davis and have been working in Amazon for quite some time now.
    I make 6 figure salary and am married to a beautiful all American girl from Edina, Minnesota and have 3 kids who are thoroughly American.

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Gyre07, @Steve in Greensboro, @bomag, @c matt, @Seneca44, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot, @Olorin, @dually

    >all American girl from Edina, Minnesota

    A Somali IOW.

  318. I suspect white women are pretty clueless about this kind of racist anti-white women backstabbing by women of other races who want to take their men.

    And then there are the men who sprout wood, being fought over like this.

    If you’ve ever taught, or tried to learn, in a majority-black public school, you know that black boys love goading females to fight over them.

    This is one of the most Africanized of behaviors.

  319. @Dissident
    @Mr. Anon


    But the reality is that a lot of gay men – a not inconsiderable number – are more like Ernst Roehm; aggressive, women-hating homosexuals.
     
    Apropos, from June:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/gays-are-being-demoted-on-intersectional-totem-pole/#comment-3952080
    AnotherGuessModel says:
    I think some straight women who are all in for LGBT rights may feel uncomfortable to have discovered just how sexually deviant and toxic the gay male subculture can be, and that “love is love” doesn’t quite pan out in such a neat and wholesome way. It may also be a shock to discover the genuinely misogynistic views that are widespread among gay men – basically, take having physical and intellectual disgust and social envy for women, and subtract any sexual attraction to them.
     
    It would appear that a considerable number of the men who embrace the type of emphatically anti-buggery[1], frot-centric[2], fidelity-centric homoeroticism that is promoted at dissident sites such as Man2ManAlliance DOT org* and g0ys DOT org* (yes, that's g0y with a zero) are bisexual, and less likely to be misogynistic than men who identify with the prevailing buggery-centric Gay culture.
    *GRAPHIC CONTENT. Citation =/= Endorsement.

    [1] Buggery: ano-rectal copulation.

    [2]Frot is the term coined by Man2Man Alliance founder Bill Weintraub for the phallus-on-phallus act that he advocates as the egalitarian, true form of male homoerotic intercourse. Objectively, no form of homosexuality can be considered equivalent to normative heterosexuality. (And the latter-- specifically within the confines of matrimony-- is the only form of sexuality that can be sanctioned Judaically.)

    That noted, as long as the reality remains that there are/will be actively homoerotic males, the forecited non-penetrative, egalitarian, non-emasculating, more restrained, more refined forms of homoeroticism are vastly preferable-- in multiple respects-- than the patently depraved, inherently predatory, disease-promoting buggery-centric forms. Unfortunately it is the latter (less wholesome) varieties of homoeroticism that are aggressively and practically exclusively promoted by what is a deeply entrenched Gay/ AIDS establishment that belittles the former (more wholesome) varieties and attacks, insults and mocks those who dare to promote them. By the moment a young male has identified as "Gay" , he is subjected-to a relentless campaign of propaganda that extols, glorifies and whitewashes the hideous realities of the act of buggery, and the manifestly degenerate culture that surrounds it.

    Such conditioning is necessary, for despite what the propagandists would have one believe, just because a male may find being erotically attracted to other males entirely natural for him, it absolutely does not follow that his instinctive reaction to being anally penetrated will be anything less than the repulsion and repellence that is the instinctive, reflexive, universal normal human response to such a brutal, unnatural invasion of one's anatomy.

    I have personally witnessed at least one self-identified homosexual adolescent male go from acknowledging, at least up to a point, the decidedly unfavorable anatomical and physiological realities of buggery and vowing that he would never engage in the act, to mocking and attacking other homosexual males who expressed dissident, anti-buggery views. I can also never forget the moving response upon being introduced to the concept of frot that I once witnessed from a young man at an expressly Gay web site. This lad expressed great interest and wonder at the idea of frot, finding it immensely appealing. He was specifically greatly intrigued by the idea that such an act-- one that appeared to be "so much easier" than buggery-- could serve as a satisfactory alternative to it. It almost seemed to him too good to be true; he specifically asked, "Is it really possible to [climax] from that alone?" (Of course, the buggery mongers would no doubt be quite happy for such a lad to never learn that the answer to his question is an emphatic yes.)

    Replies: @anon

    Dude, your gayness has gotten tiresome now that you are quoting yourself.

    Give it a rest, a really long rest.

  320. @ABDOULAYE Pierre
    America is a land of opportunity.
    If you work hard , then you will succeed here.
    I came here as a student from Ivory Coast in 2002.
    Got a degree in Computer Engineering from UC Davis and have been working in Amazon for quite some time now.
    I make 6 figure salary and am married to a beautiful all American girl from Edina, Minnesota and have 3 kids who are thoroughly American.

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    Replies: @Ganderson, @Gyre07, @Steve in Greensboro, @bomag, @c matt, @Seneca44, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot, @Olorin, @dually

    If you have what it takes, no body is going to stop you.

    I hate to break this to you, but you owe your entire carrier, lifestyle, etc, to Affirmative Action token hiring. This has nothing to do with any qualifier other than you own skin tone. It is surprising you haven’t realized this yet, considering how smart you think you are.

  321. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Random Smartaleck

    "Celebration of fertility is not something you will ever find in porn."

    I would be amazed if there's no porn featuring pregnant or lactating women. I bet there is.

    Replies: @Getaclue

    And if there is — you think that is “celebrating”? Degradation as “celebration”?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Getaclue

    "And if there is — you think that is “celebrating”?"

    Didn't say that, it's just that any form of womanhood seems to have its porn niche, from amputees to grannies, so it was unlikely that pregnancy would be missed.

    (Pregnancy is attractive though, a blooming woman is wonderful).

  322. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I've just remembered - she's the woman who said that when walking in the streets, she never takes evasive action if the oncoming person is male.


    “A few days ago, I was having a bad morning: my train tickets were expensive, my train was delayed, and my coffee was cold,” Riley wrote. “But I cheered myself up by playing a game on my commute. The game is called Patriarchy Chicken, and the rules are simple: do not move out of the way for men.”

    If that sounds like something that would be ungentlemanly conduct if perpetrated by a man, you would be correct in your assessment. Generally speaking, people will go to great lengths to avoid a collision, and will often create disorganized chaos as they humorously attempt to bob and weave out of each other’s way.

    For Riley, however, it’s about fighting the so-called patriarchy.
     
    https://thepeoplesledger.com/professor-says-she-plays-chicken-with-men-while-walking-to-empower-women/

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    I checked her Twitter. She says that her hair is so heavy without a haircut that she has a permanent headache. I feel that the cause may be that she has to listen to her nonsense arguments all the time instead.

    Like Cocaine, moral narcissism, which is all her Twitter is, gives a great high, but it also leaves you with a horrible headache.

    I wish she could see the damage she does to herself and stop.

  323. @Twinkie
    @DextersLabRat


    And (slim, pretty) white women are still lusted after the world over.
     
    Yes, but slim pretty women are desired world over. And unfortunately slim white women are becoming a rarity these days, especially among the lower socio-economic segment.

    John Plywood is actually Kim-Chi Sook.
     
    Or a bitter white male who was rejected by attractive white women. Who knows? Best not to assume anything about anonymous or pseudonymous commenters (including you and me).

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    So much palaver about which race produces the most attractive women.

    #AllRacesMatter

    Seriously, great beauty is rare, but pretty is the norm among most young women. As they age, they lose it. Such is life.

    But I wouldn’t say that any race has a monopoly on true great beauty.

    And standards change. I would bet that most men here wouldn’t think that this lady is beautiful, but I hope I’m wrong.

    https://www.allposters.com/-sp/Sophia-Loren-1950s-Posters_i5114770_.htm

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Jane Plain

    Everybody ages, and everybody's looks fade. The brain and personality stick around a lot longer. As long as I can get it up, I'm cool with the wife's physical appearance, and if you aren't addicted to porn, it shouldn't take a supermodel for that.

    Unfortunately, however, my generation isn't as pretty as previous ones, especially in the United States. Obesity rates play a role, but everybody also dresses like a slob. I'm someone who really, really doesn't pay attention to this kind of thing anywhere near as much as most people, but even I can tell that.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  324. @Getaclue
    @YetAnotherAnon

    And if there is -- you think that is "celebrating"? Degradation as "celebration"?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “And if there is — you think that is “celebrating”?”

    Didn’t say that, it’s just that any form of womanhood seems to have its porn niche, from amputees to grannies, so it was unlikely that pregnancy would be missed.

    (Pregnancy is attractive though, a blooming woman is wonderful).

  325. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Dogs are great (if you're not in a city), but better to get one AFTER you have kids.

    They're also like children in that you appreciate them a lot more when you have one of your own.


    "There is sorrow enough in the natural way
    From men and women to fill our day;
    And when we are certain of sorrow in store,
    Why do we always arrange for more?
    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
    "
     
    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_dog.htm

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous

    Not that one. This one:

    MASTER, this is Thy Servant. He is rising eight weeks old.
    He is mainly Head and Tummy. His legs are uncontrolled.
    But Thou has forgiven his ugliness, and settled him on Thy knee …
    Art Thou content with Thy Servant? He is very comfy with Thee.

    Master, behold a Sinner! […] This that was once Thy Shoe,
    He has found and taken and carried aside, as fitting matter to chew.
    Now there is neither blacking nor tongue, and the Housemaid has us in tow.
    Master, remember Thy Servant is young, and tell her to let him go! […]

    Master, pity Thy Servant! He is deaf and three parts blind.
    He cannot catch Thy Commandments. He cannot read Thy Mind.
    Oh, leave him not to his loneliness; nor make him that kitten’s scorn.
    He hath had none other God than Thee since the year that he was born.

    Lord, look down on Thy Servant! Bad things have come to pass.
    There is no heat in the midday sun, nor health in the wayside grass.
    His bones are full of an old disease – his torments run and increase.
    Lord, make haste with Thy Lightnings and grant him a quick release!

    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_apologies.htm

    –that Tor user whose unique handle always gets rejected

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  326. Anonymous[613] • Disclaimer says:

    Dear white women:

    The Establishment hates you and wants terrible things to happen to you.

    Yes, we know.

    I suspect white women are pretty clueless about this kind of racist anti-white women backstabbing by women of other races who want to take their men.

    Oh is that why?

    I’m more worried about the whole “If the man threatening you is black, you’re not allowed to call the cops” thing. I don’t really care what’s motivating it (intent doesn’t matter, doncha know?), I just want it to stop.

  327. @Anonymous
    @JohnPlywood

    Dude, look at the picture. The gal is a non-Han ethnic which no doubt adds to her resentment.


    Lang is an ancient Han Chinese surname
     
    Adopting obscure Chinese surnames is precisely what non-Han ethnics in China have been doing since roughly forever. Look up Ling Jihua whose well-laid plans (sorry) went spectacularly awry.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Dude. Please face it, you are a moron who knows nothing.

    1.) The girl’s face is clearly Han

    2.) There would be no reason for her to be resentful, as non-Han Chinese are generally considered more attractive than Han Chinese within China (this especially applies to females; southeast Asian women are considered sexier and more beautiful than Han women, and in Korea and Japan, where intermarriages between native men and southeast Asian women are skyrocketing, they are preferred as well)

    3.) The surname Lang is from North Eastern China and is an earlier Han name

    4.) You are an adjudicated mental defect.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    in Korea and Japan, where intermarriages between native men and southeast Asian women are skyrocketing, they are preferred as well
     
    That’s completely incorrect. Vietnamese mail order brides are pitched to rural bachelors who have trouble attracting native women. In other words, SE Asian women are the choice of the last resort for the most undesirable males in East Asia. There are literally ads that say “Vietnamese brides who won’t run away...” moreover, the children of such unions account for a large fraction of troubled students with poor academic achievements and social/criminal issues.

    Please face it, you are a moron who knows nothing.
     
    Excellent self-description.
  328. @JohnPlywood
    @Anonymous

    Dude. Please face it, you are a moron who knows nothing.

    1.) The girl's face is clearly Han

    2.) There would be no reason for her to be resentful, as non-Han Chinese are generally considered more attractive than Han Chinese within China (this especially applies to females; southeast Asian women are considered sexier and more beautiful than Han women, and in Korea and Japan, where intermarriages between native men and southeast Asian women are skyrocketing, they are preferred as well)

    3.) The surname Lang is from North Eastern China and is an earlier Han name

    4.) You are an adjudicated mental defect.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    in Korea and Japan, where intermarriages between native men and southeast Asian women are skyrocketing, they are preferred as well

    That’s completely incorrect. Vietnamese mail order brides are pitched to rural bachelors who have trouble attracting native women. In other words, SE Asian women are the choice of the last resort for the most undesirable males in East Asia. There are literally ads that say “Vietnamese brides who won’t run away…” moreover, the children of such unions account for a large fraction of troubled students with poor academic achievements and social/criminal issues.

    Please face it, you are a moron who knows nothing.

    Excellent self-description.

  329. That’s completely incorrect. Vietnamese mail order brides are pitched to rural bachelors who have trouble attracting native women. In other words, SE Asian women are the choice of the last resort for the most undesirable males in East Asia.

    Sorry, Twinkie, but this is just the typical incel/feminist argument against relationships between men from powerful countries and women from less powerful countries. It’s not rooted in any statistical facts.

    What matters is not your hearsay proverbs, but what is actually happening.

    And this is what is actually happening, little boy:

    https://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2014/09/25/the-changing-face-of-south-korea/

    he Korea Face Institute conducted a computer simulation based on 20,000 photographs to predict future changes in facial features. The institute forecast that by 2100, the average South Korean man will have thicker eyebrows and a wider forehead.

    Women, meanwhile, will naturally obtain eyelid folds often called ”double eyelids,” – a look many South Korean women get through cosmetic surgery now

    The reason for the changes is the growth of multicultural families, according to Chou Yong-jin, a researcher at the institute.

    That trend that has long been reshaping Korean faces.

    Starting in 12,000 BC, Mr. Chou’s team found that the Korean face was more circular and had more southern mongoloid features, based on a skull from that period.

    Facial features changed with an inflow of Siberians thousands of years later, all the way up to the present day, in which southern and northern mongoloid attributes combine to create the modern face defined by a small forehead.

    A steady influx of foreigners that has picked up over the last decade has created more multicultural families and that shift will lead the southern mongoloid appearance to become dominant again, according to Mr. Chou.

    Southeast Asian features will become more prevalent because many immigrants come from that region, including women who marry Korean men.

    By the year 2100, Korean men will have reproduced with so many Southeast Asian women, that the average Korean woman will look like a Filipina — which is what Korean women were trying to look like in the first place.

    This does not fit your conception of what is happening. First of all, Korean men prefer the looks of Southeast Asian women, which Korean women attempt to emulate, and which the Korean Face Institute predicts will become fixed in Korean women by 2100.

    It does not matter if Korean women find Korean men attractive at all. It does not matter how much they do not want to marry Korean men. The bottom line is that Korean culture values the looks of Southeast Asian women over those of Native Korean women. That’s all I said. I never said anything about what Korean women think of Korean men.

    Korean women, like all first world women, are defective. They are aimless organisms. The marriage rate in Korea, as you know, is 23% for people in their late 20s, and this is primarily driven by Korean women’s timidity and self-segregation. To them, all Korean men are undesirable. Most Korean men are not ugly and poor, however. The Korean women are simply defective, inactive, and aimless.

    And hence, the native Korean female is being replaced by the superior Southeastern woman. The Korean women are losers. They do not reproduce. By 2100, the average Korean woman will look like a Filipina, and the current generation of 20-something Korean women will not have many living direct descendants, and no one will devote any thought to what their opinions were. The living Korean people will be proof of what I said.

    And of course we all know from history and genetics that southeastern China was mainly populated by Northern Asian men who migrated down and mixed with southeast Asian females. These men were not today’s gender-equal men but patriarchs who could reproduce with any woman they wanted. Naturally, they went with the women they considered sexier: the sensual Southeast Asian beauties.

    And yeah, the offspring of these relationships are challenged by the rigidly demanding Korean education system. But here’s the thing… Pure Korean children are challenged to exist. Look at how many pure Korean couples failed to get married, and the fertility rate of Korean women, and compare it to the problems the hybrids have at school. Which looks like the bigger handicap, to you?

    By the way, I find it amusing that you replied very quickly to my post in this dead thread, which has long since been buried in the archives, which indicates to me that you are attentively refreshing my profile page for new content to read and respond to. It warms my heart to know that you are a follower of mine, no matter how hard you try to deny it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    What matters is not your hearsay proverbs, but what is actually happening.
     
    Have you seen the median income profile and geographic locations of Korean marriages with SE Asian women?

    you are attentively refreshing my profile
     
    No, you deluded retard. I refresh my own comment history and see if there are new comments in the threads.

    Replies: @Dissident

    , @nebulafox
    @JohnPlywood

    > Naturally, they went with the women they considered sexier: the sensual Southeast Asian beauties.

    You are delusional. Pale skin and rounder eyes is something that Korean women will actually undergo surgery to attain. They wouldn't be doing that if that still wasn't society's standard for beauty.

    I suspect Korea, like Japan, will be just fine if they ignore the folks over at the Economist: as the country gets less crowded and competition goes down, people will have more time and money to reproduce, and birthrates will start reflecting that. It's unlikely to attain the peak population levels we saw over the past half-century, but if you've seen how crowded Seoul can be, you have to wonder how bad that really is.

    (Hmmm... I wonder why American elites are enthusiastic about having a billion people?)

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    It’s not rooted in any statistical facts.
     
    And then proceeds to a lengthy rant devoid of any statistical facts.

    Here are some for you: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3043473/vietnamese-wives-internet-brides-bear-brunt-ageing-koreas


    Over the past few decades, as more Koreans have moved to cities like Seoul, rural communities and governments have struggled to find ways to repopulate the countryside. Experts say women in particular see rural lifestyles as unattractive, leading to a gender imbalance that fuels the demand for foreign brides...

    Yangpyeong county offers unmarried local men between the ages of 35 and 55 years old and working in the fishing, agriculture and forestry sectors up to 10 million won to marry an overseas bride, according to The Korea Herald...

    A 2017 report by the Korean ministry of gender, equality and family found that Korean men who married Vietnamese brides were on average 43.6 years old when they tied the knot. Their brides were an average age of 25.2 years.

    When the relatively young women arrive, many – like Dinh – realise that the reality of life in the country does not match their vision.

    “K-dramas and K-pop convey a vision of South Korea as much kinder and gentler than it in fact is, especially in regards to gender relations,” said John Lie, a professor of sociology at the University of California, Berkeley.

    He added that unlike the privileges white foreigners in Korea receive, much of the mistreatment of Vietnamese and other Southeast Asian foreign women “is based on their presumed inferiority”.
     

    And: https://www.englishspectrum.com/why-korean-men-want-to-marry-foreign-women/

    According to a survey by Korea Institute of Development, for each 10 marriages with foreigners, there are 4 marriages that end within the first 5 years. In 2009, nearly one fifth of all children born from cross-border marriages are not provided with schooling...

    The Korean government is tightening regulations on marriage. Last month, the government announced two new requirements: foreign bride must speak the Korean language and Korean groom must prove financial income to the Government...

    In fact, the number of Korean men marrying foreign brides is falling – from 31,000 in 2005 to 18,000 last year. Among them, 9/10 of the total marriages in the city. Kim Yong-shin – Vietnam – Korea Cultural Center in Hanoi – said Vietnamese girls no longer want to languish rural areas of South Korea. They love watching Korean films and K-pop music and they want to live in the city.
     

    More: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26124698/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/vietnamese-women-wed-foreigners-aid-family/#.XwvtZBOSmUl

    Dam Psi Kin Sa went to Taiwan nine years ago, at the age of 20, and married a Taiwanese car wash owner more than twice her age who had been divorced three times. She met him through a matchmaking service...

    As more Taiwanese and Korean women move to cities to work, many men in those countries, especially those from rural areas, face increasing difficulty finding wives, said Chiou...

    Half the brides in such marriages are under 21, half the grooms between 40 and 60.
     

    And, finally, an academic study on the topics: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.476.7087&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    International marriages numbered 43,121 in 2005, representing 13.6 percent of all marriages in Korea. Such marriages account for 35.9 percent of marriages in rural areas. According to Table 1, the number of foreign women married to Korean men between 1990 and 2005 is about 160,000. The leading group is Chinese women (110,000); most of them are ethnic Koreans or Korean-Chinese, which is followed by Japanese (17,000), Vietnamese (10,000) and Filipino (6,000) women...

    In the early 1990s, international marriage with Korean men was primarily promoted to bachelors who were farmers, but after 1999, as marriage agencies increased, international marriage became an important alternative for Korean men who were willing to remarry. Men who divorced native women prefer having Chinese (Korean-Chinese) women as their second wives. That is, in the beginning of the 1990s, international marriage was mostly for bachelor farmers, who found it difficult to seek their partners domestically, but as time passed, more female foreigners were coming Korea mainly to marry urban men, most of the men are from the lower economic classes.
     

    Yes, young Vietnamese girls marry older divorced Korean men with low income or poor farmers. They sound like real winners that native women are just dying to marry. I wonder the why the ads keep mentioning the line, "Vietnamese girls won't run away..." Hmmm, why is that men seeking mail order brides - world over - are such winners?

    Anyone who is remotely familiar with East Asia know this ugly dynamic (which is not limited to Taiwan or South Korea - rural Chinese bachelors often purchase desperate and half-starved escaped/trafficked North Korean women as brides). But because you are an uninformed, low IQ troll, you peddle nonsense that is a dead giveaway of your ignorance. Who are you kidding in this day in age when things can be easily fact-checked on the Internet? This might be a fringe site, but even here people can click a few words in a search engine.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @nebulafox

  330. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Mr McKenna


    Responding to the question ‘How can white women not be Karens?’ journalist Amelia Dimoldenberg and historian Charlotte Riley explained that any woman who is ‘unwilling to accept that her whiteness is a privilege’ is a Karen
     
    Admit you're a racist who needs to be punished, or else you're a racist who needs to be punished.

    Replies: @Amerimutt Golems, @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @DextersLabRat, @ben tillman

    Admit you’re a racist who needs to be punished, or else you’re a racist who needs to be punished.

    Clever and well said.

  331. @JohnPlywood

    That’s completely incorrect. Vietnamese mail order brides are pitched to rural bachelors who have trouble attracting native women. In other words, SE Asian women are the choice of the last resort for the most undesirable males in East Asia.
     
    Sorry, Twinkie, but this is just the typical incel/feminist argument against relationships between men from powerful countries and women from less powerful countries. It's not rooted in any statistical facts.

    What matters is not your hearsay proverbs, but what is actually happening.


    And this is what is actually happening, little boy:


    https://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2014/09/25/the-changing-face-of-south-korea/

    http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-ER594_skface_EA_20140924022129.jpg


    he Korea Face Institute conducted a computer simulation based on 20,000 photographs to predict future changes in facial features. The institute forecast that by 2100, the average South Korean man will have thicker eyebrows and a wider forehead.

    Women, meanwhile, will naturally obtain eyelid folds often called ”double eyelids,” – a look many South Korean women get through cosmetic surgery now

    The reason for the changes is the growth of multicultural families, according to Chou Yong-jin, a researcher at the institute.

    That trend that has long been reshaping Korean faces.

    Starting in 12,000 BC, Mr. Chou’s team found that the Korean face was more circular and had more southern mongoloid features, based on a skull from that period.

    Facial features changed with an inflow of Siberians thousands of years later, all the way up to the present day, in which southern and northern mongoloid attributes combine to create the modern face defined by a small forehead.

    A steady influx of foreigners that has picked up over the last decade has created more multicultural families and that shift will lead the southern mongoloid appearance to become dominant again, according to Mr. Chou.

    Southeast Asian features will become more prevalent because many immigrants come from that region, including women who marry Korean men.
     

    By the year 2100, Korean men will have reproduced with so many Southeast Asian women, that the average Korean woman will look like a Filipina -- which is what Korean women were trying to look like in the first place.


    This does not fit your conception of what is happening. First of all, Korean men prefer the looks of Southeast Asian women, which Korean women attempt to emulate, and which the Korean Face Institute predicts will become fixed in Korean women by 2100.

    It does not matter if Korean women find Korean men attractive at all. It does not matter how much they do not want to marry Korean men. The bottom line is that Korean culture values the looks of Southeast Asian women over those of Native Korean women. That's all I said. I never said anything about what Korean women think of Korean men.

    Korean women, like all first world women, are defective. They are aimless organisms. The marriage rate in Korea, as you know, is 23% for people in their late 20s, and this is primarily driven by Korean women's timidity and self-segregation. To them, all Korean men are undesirable. Most Korean men are not ugly and poor, however. The Korean women are simply defective, inactive, and aimless.

    And hence, the native Korean female is being replaced by the superior Southeastern woman. The Korean women are losers. They do not reproduce. By 2100, the average Korean woman will look like a Filipina, and the current generation of 20-something Korean women will not have many living direct descendants, and no one will devote any thought to what their opinions were. The living Korean people will be proof of what I said.


    And of course we all know from history and genetics that southeastern China was mainly populated by Northern Asian men who migrated down and mixed with southeast Asian females. These men were not today's gender-equal men but patriarchs who could reproduce with any woman they wanted. Naturally, they went with the women they considered sexier: the sensual Southeast Asian beauties.

    And yeah, the offspring of these relationships are challenged by the rigidly demanding Korean education system. But here's the thing... Pure Korean children are challenged to exist. Look at how many pure Korean couples failed to get married, and the fertility rate of Korean women, and compare it to the problems the hybrids have at school. Which looks like the bigger handicap, to you?

    By the way, I find it amusing that you replied very quickly to my post in this dead thread, which has long since been buried in the archives, which indicates to me that you are attentively refreshing my profile page for new content to read and respond to. It warms my heart to know that you are a follower of mine, no matter how hard you try to deny it.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    What matters is not your hearsay proverbs, but what is actually happening.

    Have you seen the median income profile and geographic locations of Korean marriages with SE Asian women?

    you are attentively refreshing my profile

    No, you deluded retard. I refresh my own comment history and see if there are new comments in the threads.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Twinkie


    I refresh my own comment history and see if there are new comments in the threads.
     
    Be aware that you may miss a not-inconsiderable number of new comments if you rely upon that. In regularly checking my own comment archive page, I continually find that the counts both for total number of comments in a thread, as well as new comments chronically lag behind what the actual, real-time numbers are. (It has even happened, at least once or twice, that a "reaction" (Agree;Disagree;Thanks;Lol;Troll) that displayed in a comment of mine in the thread itself, did not display in the same comment as it appeared on my comments page.) This lack of synchronization persists even after numerous hard refreshes and clearances of cache and cookies.

    To reliably watch for new comments in threads I am interested in following, I find the most efficient way is to regularly refresh the Steve Sailer Archive page at https://www.unz.com/author/steve-sailer/ . In contrast to https://www.unz.com/isteve/ , which seems to display the entirety of each post, including images, the former displays but a minimal, text-only preview for each post. (Making said former an especially good choice for those with limited bandwidth or limited system resources).

    Also worth mentioning, concerning the option to be notified by email of replies to one's comments: While much improved over what it once was, I have still not found this functionality to be consistently reliable. And even if it were, it would still not cover the not-inconsiderable number of replies to a specific comment that, for whatever reason, were not formatted as such.
    (I suspect the most common explanation for this phenomenon is simple oversight; when the comment one is replying-to is near the end of the page and therefore just above the new comment field, it can be quite easy to not remember or realize that one must deliberately, manually click "REPLY" under a given comment in order for one's reply to it to be properly formatted as such (and for the individual being replied-to to be alerted by email).)

    Replies: @Twinkie

  332. @JohnPlywood

    That’s completely incorrect. Vietnamese mail order brides are pitched to rural bachelors who have trouble attracting native women. In other words, SE Asian women are the choice of the last resort for the most undesirable males in East Asia.
     
    Sorry, Twinkie, but this is just the typical incel/feminist argument against relationships between men from powerful countries and women from less powerful countries. It's not rooted in any statistical facts.

    What matters is not your hearsay proverbs, but what is actually happening.


    And this is what is actually happening, little boy:


    https://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2014/09/25/the-changing-face-of-south-korea/

    http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-ER594_skface_EA_20140924022129.jpg


    he Korea Face Institute conducted a computer simulation based on 20,000 photographs to predict future changes in facial features. The institute forecast that by 2100, the average South Korean man will have thicker eyebrows and a wider forehead.

    Women, meanwhile, will naturally obtain eyelid folds often called ”double eyelids,” – a look many South Korean women get through cosmetic surgery now

    The reason for the changes is the growth of multicultural families, according to Chou Yong-jin, a researcher at the institute.

    That trend that has long been reshaping Korean faces.

    Starting in 12,000 BC, Mr. Chou’s team found that the Korean face was more circular and had more southern mongoloid features, based on a skull from that period.

    Facial features changed with an inflow of Siberians thousands of years later, all the way up to the present day, in which southern and northern mongoloid attributes combine to create the modern face defined by a small forehead.

    A steady influx of foreigners that has picked up over the last decade has created more multicultural families and that shift will lead the southern mongoloid appearance to become dominant again, according to Mr. Chou.

    Southeast Asian features will become more prevalent because many immigrants come from that region, including women who marry Korean men.
     

    By the year 2100, Korean men will have reproduced with so many Southeast Asian women, that the average Korean woman will look like a Filipina -- which is what Korean women were trying to look like in the first place.


    This does not fit your conception of what is happening. First of all, Korean men prefer the looks of Southeast Asian women, which Korean women attempt to emulate, and which the Korean Face Institute predicts will become fixed in Korean women by 2100.

    It does not matter if Korean women find Korean men attractive at all. It does not matter how much they do not want to marry Korean men. The bottom line is that Korean culture values the looks of Southeast Asian women over those of Native Korean women. That's all I said. I never said anything about what Korean women think of Korean men.

    Korean women, like all first world women, are defective. They are aimless organisms. The marriage rate in Korea, as you know, is 23% for people in their late 20s, and this is primarily driven by Korean women's timidity and self-segregation. To them, all Korean men are undesirable. Most Korean men are not ugly and poor, however. The Korean women are simply defective, inactive, and aimless.

    And hence, the native Korean female is being replaced by the superior Southeastern woman. The Korean women are losers. They do not reproduce. By 2100, the average Korean woman will look like a Filipina, and the current generation of 20-something Korean women will not have many living direct descendants, and no one will devote any thought to what their opinions were. The living Korean people will be proof of what I said.


    And of course we all know from history and genetics that southeastern China was mainly populated by Northern Asian men who migrated down and mixed with southeast Asian females. These men were not today's gender-equal men but patriarchs who could reproduce with any woman they wanted. Naturally, they went with the women they considered sexier: the sensual Southeast Asian beauties.

    And yeah, the offspring of these relationships are challenged by the rigidly demanding Korean education system. But here's the thing... Pure Korean children are challenged to exist. Look at how many pure Korean couples failed to get married, and the fertility rate of Korean women, and compare it to the problems the hybrids have at school. Which looks like the bigger handicap, to you?

    By the way, I find it amusing that you replied very quickly to my post in this dead thread, which has long since been buried in the archives, which indicates to me that you are attentively refreshing my profile page for new content to read and respond to. It warms my heart to know that you are a follower of mine, no matter how hard you try to deny it.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    > Naturally, they went with the women they considered sexier: the sensual Southeast Asian beauties.

    You are delusional. Pale skin and rounder eyes is something that Korean women will actually undergo surgery to attain. They wouldn’t be doing that if that still wasn’t society’s standard for beauty.

    I suspect Korea, like Japan, will be just fine if they ignore the folks over at the Economist: as the country gets less crowded and competition goes down, people will have more time and money to reproduce, and birthrates will start reflecting that. It’s unlikely to attain the peak population levels we saw over the past half-century, but if you’ve seen how crowded Seoul can be, you have to wonder how bad that really is.

    (Hmmm… I wonder why American elites are enthusiastic about having a billion people?)

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @nebulafox

    Delusional? Nobody undergoes surgery to obtain light skin, dumbass.


    Did you even read the quote I posted? Southeast Asian women have rounder eyes than Korean women.


    They also likely have lighter skin as well, as southeastern Chinese and Vietnamese people have higher skin reflectance values than Japanese people, who are presumably a good proxy for Koreans:


    From the study of Nina Jablonski and George Chaplin (Academy of Sciences of California).

    Source : "The Evolution of Human Skin Coloration". J Hum Evol, 2000; pp. 74-75
     
    https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroscape/skin-reflectance-of-selected-world-populations-who-t52269.html

    Vietnam: 55.90
    China (Southern): 59.17
    Cambodia: 54
    Japan: 53.55


    ----


    Everybody seems "delusional" when you have a major learning disability.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  333. @Jane Plain
    @Twinkie

    So much palaver about which race produces the most attractive women.

    #AllRacesMatter

    Seriously, great beauty is rare, but pretty is the norm among most young women. As they age, they lose it. Such is life.

    But I wouldn't say that any race has a monopoly on true great beauty.

    And standards change. I would bet that most men here wouldn't think that this lady is beautiful, but I hope I'm wrong.

    https://www.allposters.com/-sp/Sophia-Loren-1950s-Posters_i5114770_.htm

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Everybody ages, and everybody’s looks fade. The brain and personality stick around a lot longer. As long as I can get it up, I’m cool with the wife’s physical appearance, and if you aren’t addicted to porn, it shouldn’t take a supermodel for that.

    Unfortunately, however, my generation isn’t as pretty as previous ones, especially in the United States. Obesity rates play a role, but everybody also dresses like a slob. I’m someone who really, really doesn’t pay attention to this kind of thing anywhere near as much as most people, but even I can tell that.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @nebulafox


    I’m someone who really, really doesn’t pay attention to this kind of thing anywhere near as much as most people, but even I can tell that.
     
    I realize this is going to sound insufferable because this is the internet, but can you explain that sentence because if most people pay attention to grooming, why do we look like such slobs?

    I agree w/you, btw. Look at candid pics of anyone in the 1950s and the diff between them and us is astounding.

    I just did a casual search for African-American women beach 1955 and found:

    https://samotako1.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/vintage-beach-ladies/

    White people:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/classic-american-summer
  334. @JohnPlywood
    @Whiskey


    As far as the backstabbing, it is not done to nab WHITE men. No one wants those. Even White dudes like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have to grovel before black dudes. All the time. Nope. NO WOMAN wants a White dude. Those men are the losers of history.
     
    Seething white female detected. White men are the champions, white women a genetic dead end:


    https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/11/27/ethnic-preferences2_custom-2bcc84fb38b5ab6f7b614f933449fe2421d0eefd-s800-c85.png

    https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/images/print-edition/20180818_FBC544.png

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @The Wild Geese Howard, @throtler, @Twinkie, @SunBakedSuburb, @Bert

    Asian women are more ethnically diverse than any of the other categories dealt with in the graph, and this shows in their mating behavior. Han Chinese women are entitled and sexually timid. Koreans not so much. Burmese are mighty fine. Probably reflects a selection gradient related to the degree of societal control over the last few thousand years.

  335. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @AnonAnon

    Not to worry about foreign students. Note the phrasing "fully on-line". Rest assured that these greedy colleges will go 99% on line with a perfunctory 1% masked face to masked face brick and mortar "class" once a month.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    Theres way too much money to be lost by getting rid of all those wealthy foreign students.

    The universities will spend some of that sweet fat endowment cash and shower it on politicians of both parties to keep their cash cows here.

    Personally i think we should be wide open for foreigners with millions in capital who want to spend it here….

    Why don’t we keep those types and deport our trouble makerz, felons etc….

  336. @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    What matters is not your hearsay proverbs, but what is actually happening.
     
    Have you seen the median income profile and geographic locations of Korean marriages with SE Asian women?

    you are attentively refreshing my profile
     
    No, you deluded retard. I refresh my own comment history and see if there are new comments in the threads.

    Replies: @Dissident

    I refresh my own comment history and see if there are new comments in the threads.

    Be aware that you may miss a not-inconsiderable number of new comments if you rely upon that. In regularly checking my own comment archive page, I continually find that the counts both for total number of comments in a thread, as well as new comments chronically lag behind what the actual, real-time numbers are. (It has even happened, at least once or twice, that a “reaction” (Agree;Disagree;Thanks;Lol;Troll) that displayed in a comment of mine in the thread itself, did not display in the same comment as it appeared on my comments page.) This lack of synchronization persists even after numerous hard refreshes and clearances of cache and cookies.

    To reliably watch for new comments in threads I am interested in following, I find the most efficient way is to regularly refresh the Steve Sailer Archive page at https://www.unz.com/author/steve-sailer/ . In contrast to https://www.unz.com/isteve/ ,

    [MORE]
    which seems to display the entirety of each post, including images, the former displays but a minimal, text-only preview for each post. (Making said former an especially good choice for those with limited bandwidth or limited system resources).

    Also worth mentioning, concerning the option to be notified by email of replies to one’s comments: While much improved over what it once was, I have still not found this functionality to be consistently reliable. And even if it were, it would still not cover the not-inconsiderable number of replies to a specific comment that, for whatever reason, were not formatted as such.
    (I suspect the most common explanation for this phenomenon is simple oversight; when the comment one is replying-to is near the end of the page and therefore just above the new comment field, it can be quite easy to not remember or realize that one must deliberately, manually click “REPLY” under a given comment in order for one’s reply to it to be properly formatted as such (and for the individual being replied-to to be alerted by email).)

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Dissident


    Be aware that you may miss a not-inconsiderable number of new comments if you rely upon that. In regularly checking my own comment archive page, I continually find that the counts both for total number of comments in a thread, as well as new comments chronically lag behind what the actual, real-time numbers are. (It has even happened, at least once or twice, that a “reaction”
     
    I am aware. Thanks.
  337. @nebulafox
    @Jane Plain

    Everybody ages, and everybody's looks fade. The brain and personality stick around a lot longer. As long as I can get it up, I'm cool with the wife's physical appearance, and if you aren't addicted to porn, it shouldn't take a supermodel for that.

    Unfortunately, however, my generation isn't as pretty as previous ones, especially in the United States. Obesity rates play a role, but everybody also dresses like a slob. I'm someone who really, really doesn't pay attention to this kind of thing anywhere near as much as most people, but even I can tell that.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    I’m someone who really, really doesn’t pay attention to this kind of thing anywhere near as much as most people, but even I can tell that.

    I realize this is going to sound insufferable because this is the internet, but can you explain that sentence because if most people pay attention to grooming, why do we look like such slobs?

    I agree w/you, btw. Look at candid pics of anyone in the 1950s and the diff between them and us is astounding.

    I just did a casual search for African-American women beach 1955 and found:

    https://samotako1.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/vintage-beach-ladies/

    White people:

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/classic-american-summer

  338. @Dissident
    @Twinkie


    I refresh my own comment history and see if there are new comments in the threads.
     
    Be aware that you may miss a not-inconsiderable number of new comments if you rely upon that. In regularly checking my own comment archive page, I continually find that the counts both for total number of comments in a thread, as well as new comments chronically lag behind what the actual, real-time numbers are. (It has even happened, at least once or twice, that a "reaction" (Agree;Disagree;Thanks;Lol;Troll) that displayed in a comment of mine in the thread itself, did not display in the same comment as it appeared on my comments page.) This lack of synchronization persists even after numerous hard refreshes and clearances of cache and cookies.

    To reliably watch for new comments in threads I am interested in following, I find the most efficient way is to regularly refresh the Steve Sailer Archive page at https://www.unz.com/author/steve-sailer/ . In contrast to https://www.unz.com/isteve/ , which seems to display the entirety of each post, including images, the former displays but a minimal, text-only preview for each post. (Making said former an especially good choice for those with limited bandwidth or limited system resources).

    Also worth mentioning, concerning the option to be notified by email of replies to one's comments: While much improved over what it once was, I have still not found this functionality to be consistently reliable. And even if it were, it would still not cover the not-inconsiderable number of replies to a specific comment that, for whatever reason, were not formatted as such.
    (I suspect the most common explanation for this phenomenon is simple oversight; when the comment one is replying-to is near the end of the page and therefore just above the new comment field, it can be quite easy to not remember or realize that one must deliberately, manually click "REPLY" under a given comment in order for one's reply to it to be properly formatted as such (and for the individual being replied-to to be alerted by email).)

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Be aware that you may miss a not-inconsiderable number of new comments if you rely upon that. In regularly checking my own comment archive page, I continually find that the counts both for total number of comments in a thread, as well as new comments chronically lag behind what the actual, real-time numbers are. (It has even happened, at least once or twice, that a “reaction”

    I am aware. Thanks.

  339. @JohnPlywood

    That’s completely incorrect. Vietnamese mail order brides are pitched to rural bachelors who have trouble attracting native women. In other words, SE Asian women are the choice of the last resort for the most undesirable males in East Asia.
     
    Sorry, Twinkie, but this is just the typical incel/feminist argument against relationships between men from powerful countries and women from less powerful countries. It's not rooted in any statistical facts.

    What matters is not your hearsay proverbs, but what is actually happening.


    And this is what is actually happening, little boy:


    https://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2014/09/25/the-changing-face-of-south-korea/

    http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-ER594_skface_EA_20140924022129.jpg


    he Korea Face Institute conducted a computer simulation based on 20,000 photographs to predict future changes in facial features. The institute forecast that by 2100, the average South Korean man will have thicker eyebrows and a wider forehead.

    Women, meanwhile, will naturally obtain eyelid folds often called ”double eyelids,” – a look many South Korean women get through cosmetic surgery now

    The reason for the changes is the growth of multicultural families, according to Chou Yong-jin, a researcher at the institute.

    That trend that has long been reshaping Korean faces.

    Starting in 12,000 BC, Mr. Chou’s team found that the Korean face was more circular and had more southern mongoloid features, based on a skull from that period.

    Facial features changed with an inflow of Siberians thousands of years later, all the way up to the present day, in which southern and northern mongoloid attributes combine to create the modern face defined by a small forehead.

    A steady influx of foreigners that has picked up over the last decade has created more multicultural families and that shift will lead the southern mongoloid appearance to become dominant again, according to Mr. Chou.

    Southeast Asian features will become more prevalent because many immigrants come from that region, including women who marry Korean men.
     

    By the year 2100, Korean men will have reproduced with so many Southeast Asian women, that the average Korean woman will look like a Filipina -- which is what Korean women were trying to look like in the first place.


    This does not fit your conception of what is happening. First of all, Korean men prefer the looks of Southeast Asian women, which Korean women attempt to emulate, and which the Korean Face Institute predicts will become fixed in Korean women by 2100.

    It does not matter if Korean women find Korean men attractive at all. It does not matter how much they do not want to marry Korean men. The bottom line is that Korean culture values the looks of Southeast Asian women over those of Native Korean women. That's all I said. I never said anything about what Korean women think of Korean men.

    Korean women, like all first world women, are defective. They are aimless organisms. The marriage rate in Korea, as you know, is 23% for people in their late 20s, and this is primarily driven by Korean women's timidity and self-segregation. To them, all Korean men are undesirable. Most Korean men are not ugly and poor, however. The Korean women are simply defective, inactive, and aimless.

    And hence, the native Korean female is being replaced by the superior Southeastern woman. The Korean women are losers. They do not reproduce. By 2100, the average Korean woman will look like a Filipina, and the current generation of 20-something Korean women will not have many living direct descendants, and no one will devote any thought to what their opinions were. The living Korean people will be proof of what I said.


    And of course we all know from history and genetics that southeastern China was mainly populated by Northern Asian men who migrated down and mixed with southeast Asian females. These men were not today's gender-equal men but patriarchs who could reproduce with any woman they wanted. Naturally, they went with the women they considered sexier: the sensual Southeast Asian beauties.

    And yeah, the offspring of these relationships are challenged by the rigidly demanding Korean education system. But here's the thing... Pure Korean children are challenged to exist. Look at how many pure Korean couples failed to get married, and the fertility rate of Korean women, and compare it to the problems the hybrids have at school. Which looks like the bigger handicap, to you?

    By the way, I find it amusing that you replied very quickly to my post in this dead thread, which has long since been buried in the archives, which indicates to me that you are attentively refreshing my profile page for new content to read and respond to. It warms my heart to know that you are a follower of mine, no matter how hard you try to deny it.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    It’s not rooted in any statistical facts.

    And then proceeds to a lengthy rant devoid of any statistical facts.

    Here are some for you: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3043473/vietnamese-wives-internet-brides-bear-brunt-ageing-koreas

    Over the past few decades, as more Koreans have moved to cities like Seoul, rural communities and governments have struggled to find ways to repopulate the countryside. Experts say women in particular see rural lifestyles as unattractive, leading to a gender imbalance that fuels the demand for foreign brides…

    Yangpyeong county offers unmarried local men between the ages of 35 and 55 years old and working in the fishing, agriculture and forestry sectors up to 10 million won to marry an overseas bride, according to The Korea Herald…

    A 2017 report by the Korean ministry of gender, equality and family found that Korean men who married Vietnamese brides were on average 43.6 years old when they tied the knot. Their brides were an average age of 25.2 years.

    When the relatively young women arrive, many – like Dinh – realise that the reality of life in the country does not match their vision.

    “K-dramas and K-pop convey a vision of South Korea as much kinder and gentler than it in fact is, especially in regards to gender relations,” said John Lie, a professor of sociology at the University of California, Berkeley.

    He added that unlike the privileges white foreigners in Korea receive, much of the mistreatment of Vietnamese and other Southeast Asian foreign women “is based on their presumed inferiority”.

    And: https://www.englishspectrum.com/why-korean-men-want-to-marry-foreign-women/

    According to a survey by Korea Institute of Development, for each 10 marriages with foreigners, there are 4 marriages that end within the first 5 years. In 2009, nearly one fifth of all children born from cross-border marriages are not provided with schooling…

    The Korean government is tightening regulations on marriage. Last month, the government announced two new requirements: foreign bride must speak the Korean language and Korean groom must prove financial income to the Government…

    In fact, the number of Korean men marrying foreign brides is falling – from 31,000 in 2005 to 18,000 last year. Among them, 9/10 of the total marriages in the city. Kim Yong-shin – Vietnam – Korea Cultural Center in Hanoi – said Vietnamese girls no longer want to languish rural areas of South Korea. They love watching Korean films and K-pop music and they want to live in the city.

    More: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26124698/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/vietnamese-women-wed-foreigners-aid-family/#.XwvtZBOSmUl

    Dam Psi Kin Sa went to Taiwan nine years ago, at the age of 20, and married a Taiwanese car wash owner more than twice her age who had been divorced three times. She met him through a matchmaking service…

    As more Taiwanese and Korean women move to cities to work, many men in those countries, especially those from rural areas, face increasing difficulty finding wives, said Chiou…

    Half the brides in such marriages are under 21, half the grooms between 40 and 60.

    And, finally, an academic study on the topics: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.476.7087&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    International marriages numbered 43,121 in 2005, representing 13.6 percent of all marriages in Korea. Such marriages account for 35.9 percent of marriages in rural areas. According to Table 1, the number of foreign women married to Korean men between 1990 and 2005 is about 160,000. The leading group is Chinese women (110,000); most of them are ethnic Koreans or Korean-Chinese, which is followed by Japanese (17,000), Vietnamese (10,000) and Filipino (6,000) women…

    In the early 1990s, international marriage with Korean men was primarily promoted to bachelors who were farmers, but after 1999, as marriage agencies increased, international marriage became an important alternative for Korean men who were willing to remarry. Men who divorced native women prefer having Chinese (Korean-Chinese) women as their second wives. That is, in the beginning of the 1990s, international marriage was mostly for bachelor farmers, who found it difficult to seek their partners domestically, but as time passed, more female foreigners were coming Korea mainly to marry urban men, most of the men are from the lower economic classes.

    Yes, young Vietnamese girls marry older divorced Korean men with low income or poor farmers. They sound like real winners that native women are just dying to marry. I wonder the why the ads keep mentioning the line, “Vietnamese girls won’t run away…” Hmmm, why is that men seeking mail order brides – world over – are such winners?

    Anyone who is remotely familiar with East Asia know this ugly dynamic (which is not limited to Taiwan or South Korea – rural Chinese bachelors often purchase desperate and half-starved escaped/trafficked North Korean women as brides). But because you are an uninformed, low IQ troll, you peddle nonsense that is a dead giveaway of your ignorance. Who are you kidding in this day in age when things can be easily fact-checked on the Internet? This might be a fringe site, but even here people can click a few words in a search engine.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Don't forget the Filipinas. They are very popular among lonely Japanese men. It's just as gross as the bald white guys you see with some honey half his age and less than half his weight under his arm in Angeles.

    >(which is not limited to Taiwan or South Korea – rural Chinese bachelors often purchase desperate and half-starved escaped/trafficked North Korean women as brides).

    Oh, yeah, I remember those women... the ones who don't become brides to rural Dongbei farmers end up forced into prostitution, and not the Pretty Woman serving a CEO kind.

    It's really quite sad. The mental trauma these ladies deal with between their DPRK and PRC experiences is considerable, as I'm sure you are aware.

    , @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    One thing I'm interested in, in a car-crash kind of way, is to see is where rural bachelors will start looking for wives next. Vietnam's rapidly developing: it reminded me a lot of mainland China 15-20 years ago when I visited, so I suspect that a decade or two from now, the amount of Vietnamese women willing to be mail order brides for rural bachelors twice their age will be much diminished. The article already alludes to increasing standards.

    Part of the reason that these two countries are so prominent is that half-Vietnamese and half-Filipina kids can at least physically pass off as locals in Korea/Japan/Taiwan/China. Go further out, and that's no longer guaranteed. There's always the PI, I guess? Poor country used to be the second richest in Asia in the 1960s. At a time where war flattened South Korea was poorer than African countries, that might not be saying much, but it's kind of sad the country remains so poverty stricken: very nice people. Too nice, really. That might explain part of it.

    Anyway, I occasionally wonder if China's long-term plans for Africa involve exporting excess men in the hope that they'll stay put, marry local women, and create a half-caste shadow colonial governing class. This is going to kick up a lot of intense resistance from Chinese parents, but men in their 20s and 30s looking at a life of unwanted celibacy if they obey social norms have a tendency to be willing to violate them... and then there's India. India is still a place where people want to escape from, not emigrate to, and they are dealing with a gender gap that might be worse than China's. Add in all of India's other ills that they are trying to hide from the world, and it isn't a pretty picture.

  340. @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    It’s not rooted in any statistical facts.
     
    And then proceeds to a lengthy rant devoid of any statistical facts.

    Here are some for you: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3043473/vietnamese-wives-internet-brides-bear-brunt-ageing-koreas


    Over the past few decades, as more Koreans have moved to cities like Seoul, rural communities and governments have struggled to find ways to repopulate the countryside. Experts say women in particular see rural lifestyles as unattractive, leading to a gender imbalance that fuels the demand for foreign brides...

    Yangpyeong county offers unmarried local men between the ages of 35 and 55 years old and working in the fishing, agriculture and forestry sectors up to 10 million won to marry an overseas bride, according to The Korea Herald...

    A 2017 report by the Korean ministry of gender, equality and family found that Korean men who married Vietnamese brides were on average 43.6 years old when they tied the knot. Their brides were an average age of 25.2 years.

    When the relatively young women arrive, many – like Dinh – realise that the reality of life in the country does not match their vision.

    “K-dramas and K-pop convey a vision of South Korea as much kinder and gentler than it in fact is, especially in regards to gender relations,” said John Lie, a professor of sociology at the University of California, Berkeley.

    He added that unlike the privileges white foreigners in Korea receive, much of the mistreatment of Vietnamese and other Southeast Asian foreign women “is based on their presumed inferiority”.
     

    And: https://www.englishspectrum.com/why-korean-men-want-to-marry-foreign-women/

    According to a survey by Korea Institute of Development, for each 10 marriages with foreigners, there are 4 marriages that end within the first 5 years. In 2009, nearly one fifth of all children born from cross-border marriages are not provided with schooling...

    The Korean government is tightening regulations on marriage. Last month, the government announced two new requirements: foreign bride must speak the Korean language and Korean groom must prove financial income to the Government...

    In fact, the number of Korean men marrying foreign brides is falling – from 31,000 in 2005 to 18,000 last year. Among them, 9/10 of the total marriages in the city. Kim Yong-shin – Vietnam – Korea Cultural Center in Hanoi – said Vietnamese girls no longer want to languish rural areas of South Korea. They love watching Korean films and K-pop music and they want to live in the city.
     

    More: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26124698/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/vietnamese-women-wed-foreigners-aid-family/#.XwvtZBOSmUl

    Dam Psi Kin Sa went to Taiwan nine years ago, at the age of 20, and married a Taiwanese car wash owner more than twice her age who had been divorced three times. She met him through a matchmaking service...

    As more Taiwanese and Korean women move to cities to work, many men in those countries, especially those from rural areas, face increasing difficulty finding wives, said Chiou...

    Half the brides in such marriages are under 21, half the grooms between 40 and 60.
     

    And, finally, an academic study on the topics: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.476.7087&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    International marriages numbered 43,121 in 2005, representing 13.6 percent of all marriages in Korea. Such marriages account for 35.9 percent of marriages in rural areas. According to Table 1, the number of foreign women married to Korean men between 1990 and 2005 is about 160,000. The leading group is Chinese women (110,000); most of them are ethnic Koreans or Korean-Chinese, which is followed by Japanese (17,000), Vietnamese (10,000) and Filipino (6,000) women...

    In the early 1990s, international marriage with Korean men was primarily promoted to bachelors who were farmers, but after 1999, as marriage agencies increased, international marriage became an important alternative for Korean men who were willing to remarry. Men who divorced native women prefer having Chinese (Korean-Chinese) women as their second wives. That is, in the beginning of the 1990s, international marriage was mostly for bachelor farmers, who found it difficult to seek their partners domestically, but as time passed, more female foreigners were coming Korea mainly to marry urban men, most of the men are from the lower economic classes.
     

    Yes, young Vietnamese girls marry older divorced Korean men with low income or poor farmers. They sound like real winners that native women are just dying to marry. I wonder the why the ads keep mentioning the line, "Vietnamese girls won't run away..." Hmmm, why is that men seeking mail order brides - world over - are such winners?

    Anyone who is remotely familiar with East Asia know this ugly dynamic (which is not limited to Taiwan or South Korea - rural Chinese bachelors often purchase desperate and half-starved escaped/trafficked North Korean women as brides). But because you are an uninformed, low IQ troll, you peddle nonsense that is a dead giveaway of your ignorance. Who are you kidding in this day in age when things can be easily fact-checked on the Internet? This might be a fringe site, but even here people can click a few words in a search engine.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @nebulafox

    Don’t forget the Filipinas. They are very popular among lonely Japanese men. It’s just as gross as the bald white guys you see with some honey half his age and less than half his weight under his arm in Angeles.

    >(which is not limited to Taiwan or South Korea – rural Chinese bachelors often purchase desperate and half-starved escaped/trafficked North Korean women as brides).

    Oh, yeah, I remember those women… the ones who don’t become brides to rural Dongbei farmers end up forced into prostitution, and not the Pretty Woman serving a CEO kind.

    It’s really quite sad. The mental trauma these ladies deal with between their DPRK and PRC experiences is considerable, as I’m sure you are aware.

  341. @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood


    It’s not rooted in any statistical facts.
     
    And then proceeds to a lengthy rant devoid of any statistical facts.

    Here are some for you: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3043473/vietnamese-wives-internet-brides-bear-brunt-ageing-koreas


    Over the past few decades, as more Koreans have moved to cities like Seoul, rural communities and governments have struggled to find ways to repopulate the countryside. Experts say women in particular see rural lifestyles as unattractive, leading to a gender imbalance that fuels the demand for foreign brides...

    Yangpyeong county offers unmarried local men between the ages of 35 and 55 years old and working in the fishing, agriculture and forestry sectors up to 10 million won to marry an overseas bride, according to The Korea Herald...

    A 2017 report by the Korean ministry of gender, equality and family found that Korean men who married Vietnamese brides were on average 43.6 years old when they tied the knot. Their brides were an average age of 25.2 years.

    When the relatively young women arrive, many – like Dinh – realise that the reality of life in the country does not match their vision.

    “K-dramas and K-pop convey a vision of South Korea as much kinder and gentler than it in fact is, especially in regards to gender relations,” said John Lie, a professor of sociology at the University of California, Berkeley.

    He added that unlike the privileges white foreigners in Korea receive, much of the mistreatment of Vietnamese and other Southeast Asian foreign women “is based on their presumed inferiority”.
     

    And: https://www.englishspectrum.com/why-korean-men-want-to-marry-foreign-women/

    According to a survey by Korea Institute of Development, for each 10 marriages with foreigners, there are 4 marriages that end within the first 5 years. In 2009, nearly one fifth of all children born from cross-border marriages are not provided with schooling...

    The Korean government is tightening regulations on marriage. Last month, the government announced two new requirements: foreign bride must speak the Korean language and Korean groom must prove financial income to the Government...

    In fact, the number of Korean men marrying foreign brides is falling – from 31,000 in 2005 to 18,000 last year. Among them, 9/10 of the total marriages in the city. Kim Yong-shin – Vietnam – Korea Cultural Center in Hanoi – said Vietnamese girls no longer want to languish rural areas of South Korea. They love watching Korean films and K-pop music and they want to live in the city.
     

    More: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26124698/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/vietnamese-women-wed-foreigners-aid-family/#.XwvtZBOSmUl

    Dam Psi Kin Sa went to Taiwan nine years ago, at the age of 20, and married a Taiwanese car wash owner more than twice her age who had been divorced three times. She met him through a matchmaking service...

    As more Taiwanese and Korean women move to cities to work, many men in those countries, especially those from rural areas, face increasing difficulty finding wives, said Chiou...

    Half the brides in such marriages are under 21, half the grooms between 40 and 60.
     

    And, finally, an academic study on the topics: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.476.7087&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    International marriages numbered 43,121 in 2005, representing 13.6 percent of all marriages in Korea. Such marriages account for 35.9 percent of marriages in rural areas. According to Table 1, the number of foreign women married to Korean men between 1990 and 2005 is about 160,000. The leading group is Chinese women (110,000); most of them are ethnic Koreans or Korean-Chinese, which is followed by Japanese (17,000), Vietnamese (10,000) and Filipino (6,000) women...

    In the early 1990s, international marriage with Korean men was primarily promoted to bachelors who were farmers, but after 1999, as marriage agencies increased, international marriage became an important alternative for Korean men who were willing to remarry. Men who divorced native women prefer having Chinese (Korean-Chinese) women as their second wives. That is, in the beginning of the 1990s, international marriage was mostly for bachelor farmers, who found it difficult to seek their partners domestically, but as time passed, more female foreigners were coming Korea mainly to marry urban men, most of the men are from the lower economic classes.
     

    Yes, young Vietnamese girls marry older divorced Korean men with low income or poor farmers. They sound like real winners that native women are just dying to marry. I wonder the why the ads keep mentioning the line, "Vietnamese girls won't run away..." Hmmm, why is that men seeking mail order brides - world over - are such winners?

    Anyone who is remotely familiar with East Asia know this ugly dynamic (which is not limited to Taiwan or South Korea - rural Chinese bachelors often purchase desperate and half-starved escaped/trafficked North Korean women as brides). But because you are an uninformed, low IQ troll, you peddle nonsense that is a dead giveaway of your ignorance. Who are you kidding in this day in age when things can be easily fact-checked on the Internet? This might be a fringe site, but even here people can click a few words in a search engine.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @nebulafox

    One thing I’m interested in, in a car-crash kind of way, is to see is where rural bachelors will start looking for wives next. Vietnam’s rapidly developing: it reminded me a lot of mainland China 15-20 years ago when I visited, so I suspect that a decade or two from now, the amount of Vietnamese women willing to be mail order brides for rural bachelors twice their age will be much diminished. The article already alludes to increasing standards.

    Part of the reason that these two countries are so prominent is that half-Vietnamese and half-Filipina kids can at least physically pass off as locals in Korea/Japan/Taiwan/China. Go further out, and that’s no longer guaranteed. There’s always the PI, I guess? Poor country used to be the second richest in Asia in the 1960s. At a time where war flattened South Korea was poorer than African countries, that might not be saying much, but it’s kind of sad the country remains so poverty stricken: very nice people. Too nice, really. That might explain part of it.

    Anyway, I occasionally wonder if China’s long-term plans for Africa involve exporting excess men in the hope that they’ll stay put, marry local women, and create a half-caste shadow colonial governing class. This is going to kick up a lot of intense resistance from Chinese parents, but men in their 20s and 30s looking at a life of unwanted celibacy if they obey social norms have a tendency to be willing to violate them… and then there’s India. India is still a place where people want to escape from, not emigrate to, and they are dealing with a gender gap that might be worse than China’s. Add in all of India’s other ills that they are trying to hide from the world, and it isn’t a pretty picture.

  342. Anyway, I occasionally wonder if China’s long-term plans for Africa involve exporting excess men in the hope that they’ll stay put, marry local women, and create a half-caste shadow colonial governing class.

    Going to Africa is a big step down in terms of environment and personal safety, unless there’s a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I’d be surprised if there were too many takers. The fact is there are populations totaling in the billions right next to China, that are far lower-income. Why wouldn’t Chinese men who have no luck domestically not seek brides from among China’s neighbors? Even Pakistan is now sending brides to China.

    https://apnews.com/c586d0f73fe249718ec06f6867b0244e
    https://apnews.com/4970593b86c84e258fbcd6f8b5f53a76
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cambodia-women-trafficking-interview/family-ties-thwart-cambodias-efforts-to-tackle-bride-trafficking-to-china-idUSKCN1Q921S
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southeast-asia-trafficking-china-feat/new-roads-old-war-fan-sale-of-southeast-asian-brides-in-china-idUSKBN1O60Z3

    While the above examples are of picture bride-type arrangements, some of the men participating in international marriages will increasingly be representatives of Chinese companies that set up facilities in those countries who take a shine to the local women. As Chinese wages continue to skyrocket, you will see more and more Chinese companies send managers and lower-ranking personnel to watch over local personnel in lower-income countries working in newly-constructed industrial plants. This may in time, become part of the process of conversion of the populations of these countries from raw barbarians to cooked barbarians, thereby aiding the future incorporation of these territories into the Chinese empire – on a de jure basis – as provinces.

    https://drunkasianhistory.tumblr.com/post/108198586331/the-cooked-and-the-raw-a-dark-chinese-history


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarian#History_and_terminology

  343. @nebulafox
    @JohnPlywood

    > Naturally, they went with the women they considered sexier: the sensual Southeast Asian beauties.

    You are delusional. Pale skin and rounder eyes is something that Korean women will actually undergo surgery to attain. They wouldn't be doing that if that still wasn't society's standard for beauty.

    I suspect Korea, like Japan, will be just fine if they ignore the folks over at the Economist: as the country gets less crowded and competition goes down, people will have more time and money to reproduce, and birthrates will start reflecting that. It's unlikely to attain the peak population levels we saw over the past half-century, but if you've seen how crowded Seoul can be, you have to wonder how bad that really is.

    (Hmmm... I wonder why American elites are enthusiastic about having a billion people?)

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Delusional? Nobody undergoes surgery to obtain light skin, dumbass.

    Did you even read the quote I posted? Southeast Asian women have rounder eyes than Korean women.

    They also likely have lighter skin as well, as southeastern Chinese and Vietnamese people have higher skin reflectance values than Japanese people, who are presumably a good proxy for Koreans:

    From the study of Nina Jablonski and George Chaplin (Academy of Sciences of California).

    Source : “The Evolution of Human Skin Coloration”. J Hum Evol, 2000; pp. 74-75

    https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroscape/skin-reflectance-of-selected-world-populations-who-t52269.html

    Vietnam: 55.90
    China (Southern): 59.17
    Cambodia: 54
    Japan: 53.55

    —-

    Everybody seems “delusional” when you have a major learning disability.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @JohnPlywood

    What, no reply to my extensively cited comment exposing what a clueless moron you are about Northeast Asian men of lower status buying mail order brides from Vietnam?


    They also likely have lighter skin as well, as southeastern Chinese and Vietnamese people have higher skin reflectance values than Japanese people, who are presumably a good proxy for Koreans
     
    Wow. You are either really, sadly delusional - like, need medication delusional, or have some truly exceptional Chutzpah of lying through your teeth baldly as the truth slowly rolls by the eyes of the audience.

    https://www.scienceabc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/map_of_skin_color_distribution.gif
  344. @JohnPlywood
    @nebulafox

    Delusional? Nobody undergoes surgery to obtain light skin, dumbass.


    Did you even read the quote I posted? Southeast Asian women have rounder eyes than Korean women.


    They also likely have lighter skin as well, as southeastern Chinese and Vietnamese people have higher skin reflectance values than Japanese people, who are presumably a good proxy for Koreans:


    From the study of Nina Jablonski and George Chaplin (Academy of Sciences of California).

    Source : "The Evolution of Human Skin Coloration". J Hum Evol, 2000; pp. 74-75
     
    https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/anthroscape/skin-reflectance-of-selected-world-populations-who-t52269.html

    Vietnam: 55.90
    China (Southern): 59.17
    Cambodia: 54
    Japan: 53.55


    ----


    Everybody seems "delusional" when you have a major learning disability.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    What, no reply to my extensively cited comment exposing what a clueless moron you are about Northeast Asian men of lower status buying mail order brides from Vietnam?

    They also likely have lighter skin as well, as southeastern Chinese and Vietnamese people have higher skin reflectance values than Japanese people, who are presumably a good proxy for Koreans

    Wow. You are either really, sadly delusional – like, need medication delusional, or have some truly exceptional Chutzpah of lying through your teeth baldly as the truth slowly rolls by the eyes of the audience.

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