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From the Washington Post:

Did the White House know what David Samuels thought about the Iran deal?
By Erik Wemple May 9 at 6:02 PM

The White House has had to answer some uncomfortable questions over the past few days, thanks to a profile of Ben Rhodes, deputy national security adviser for strategic communications, in the New York Times Magazine. Under the byline of David Samuels, the story delves into how Rhodes & Co. chose to sell President Obama’s high-priority nuclear deal with Iran. The take-aways weren’t terribly favorable.

Here’s one question that White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest faced on Friday:

On Iran, did the administration have “hand-picked” beltway insiders to push the message, to sell the message of the Iran deal to the public? And the characterization that’s out there, it has been reported that the administration misled the public in a manner as well. How does the administration respond to that characterization that the public was misled in the selling of the Iran deal?

And a follow up:

But, Josh, the characterization I’m speaking of came from a profile on your Deputy National Security Advisor, Ben Rhodes. You read that article. I’m sure you’ve had time to digest it. Do you disagree with some of the characterizations that were in that profile?

Those questions stem from a story titled, “The Aspiring Novelist Who Became Obama’s Foreign-Policy Guru.” It’s something of a hybrid piece of journalism — half-featurey look at Rhodes himself, a 30-something fellow who channeled his love of writing into a super-influential foreign policy job in the Obama White House; and half-patdown of the tactics deployed by the White House to sell its historic Iranian nuclear deal. On the latter front, here’s Samuels’s thesis:

Rhodes’s innovative campaign to sell the Iran deal is likely to be a model for how future administrations explain foreign policy to Congress and the public. The way in which most Americans have heard the story of the Iran deal presented — that the Obama administration began seriously engaging with Iranian officials in 2013 in order to take advantage of a new political reality in Iran, which came about because of elections that brought moderates to power in that country — was largely manufactured for the purpose for selling the deal. Even where the particulars of that story are true, the implications that readers and viewers are encouraged to take away from those particulars are often misleading or false.

The way Samuels tells it — with key supporting quotes from Rhodes — the White House whipped up fancy talking points and fed them to its people, who in turn fed them to gullible reporters with no experience in foreign policy. The public swallowed it all. Samuels even names names: “For those in need of more traditional-seeming forms of validation, handpicked Beltway insiders like Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic and Laura Rozen of Al-Monitor helped retail the administration’s narrative,” writes Samuels.

Obama gave Jeffrey Goldberg lots of personal access, and Goldberg obliged him with a pretty obtuse article. Goldberg never seems to notice that his personal ethnocentrism and Obama’s ethnocentrism might cause any conflicts. Samuels, whose wife edits the Jewish magazine The Tablet, in contrast, is acutely aware of the conflicts.

That very sentence is launching entire pieces. Goldberg is responding ferociously, bemoaning the absence of fact-checking and noting that he and Samuels have had a tiff that bears disclosing. Also, Rhodes denied to Goldberg that he’d chosen him to “retail” the Iran message.

Those matters will shake out over the coming days.

What’s not likely to fetch an answer anytime soon is why the White House did such extensive business with Samuels in the first place. …

Did the White House have any idea that Samuels believed these things? It hasn’t responded to a request for comment.

David Samuels is an awesome magazine writer (here’s me in 2009 linking to his article on UFC fighter Rampage Jackson). I’ve been linking to his work at least since 2008, when he published a great article, “Invisible Man,” in The New Republic on Obama, Rev. Wright, and Dreams From My Father:

What’s even more remarkable about Dreams from My Father is the fact that it was written by a man who has since decided to run for president by disowning the most striking parts of his own voice and transforming himself into a blank screen for the fantasy-projection of the electorate. It is hard to overemphasize how utterly remarkable it is that Dreams exists at all–not the usual nest of position papers and tape-recorder talk, but a real book by a real writer who has both the inclination and the literary tools to give an indelible account of himself, and who also happens to be running for president. In which connection, it seems right to mention that the Barack Obama who appears in Dreams, and, one presumes, in his own continuing interior life, is not a comforting multiracial or post-racial figure like Tiger Woods or Derek Jeter who prefers to be looked at through a kaleidoscope. Though there are many structural parallels between Dreams and Invisible Man, Obama believes in the old-fashioned, unabashedly romantic, and, in the end, quite weird idea of racial authenticity that [Ralph] Ellison rejected. He embraces his racial identity despite his mixed parentage through a kind of Kierkegaardian leap into blackness, through which he hopes to become a whole, untroubled person.

My own belief is that Barack Obama has the makings of an unusual and unusually effective president, because he might combine a writer’s sense of the dramatic moment, and of how language helps to shape reality, with the brain–and perhaps the soul–of a Harvard-educated technocrat. At the same time, I find it hard not to wonder about how President Obama will see the world, and what the major fault lines in his personality might be. The fact that the talking heads and the voters alike are unable to see him plain is an optic effect that Obama anticipates in his first book. …

Obama’s decision to identify with the lineage of his black Kenyan father to the exclusion of his white U.S.-born mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, and her parents allows him a measure of release from the cruel racial logic that binds Ellison’s narrator–he comes from outside American society, and therefore he is not entirely bound by the overdetermined racial logic that unites the children of slaves and masters. Yet, while Obama’s rejection of his “white blood” may seem familiar from the writings of African American authors like Malcolm X, it is actually much stranger; Obama’s partial “whiteness” is not the product of an ancient rape by an anonymous slave-master but is instead the color of the mother who raised him. Obama’s embrace of authenticity separates him from Ellison’s profoundly modernist consciousness, and prevents him from seeing the serial absurdities of his own story. Where Invisible Man bubbles with fiery, absurdist humor, the narrator of Dreams rarely cracks a smile. One can only imagine what Ellison would have done with Obama’s straight-faced account of his futile career as a community organizer in Chicago, or with the incredibly juicy character of Dr. Jeremiah Wright–a religious con man who spread racist and anti-Semitic poison while having an alleged sexual affair with a white church secretary and milking his congregation for millions of dollars and a house in a gated community whose residents are overwhelmingly rich and white.

Now, you know and I know what Samuels is talking about here, but for most of the media this is just a big Does Not Compute.

An interesting question is whether Obama and Rhodes, who are both good writers, gave Samuels access because they get it that he gets it about Obama. Or were they just clueless too? Did Samuels use his iSteve-level awareness of Obama to play the President?

 
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  1. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Someone burned a Koran… and that’s why Libya imploded.

    ———-

    Obama the spin-artist is himself a spin. Was from the beginning.

  2. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Me thinks if Monty Python did their skits today, they would all be hauled off to jail.

    http://www.one-eternal-day.com/2016/05/taking-offence.html

  3. Samuels gets it and yet he doesn’t. An Obama could NOT have come from the American Black community (even the light skinned talented 10th like the Rev. Wright) for several reasons:

    1. An almost white (Benjamin Jealous) type octoroon would not have been “black enough” for the Dems – he wouldn’t have made white liberals feel good enough about themselves.

    2. A blacker figure would not have had the intellectual HP. The # of slave descended American blacks who are as dark as Obama with Obama’s brains are vanishingly small. As the product of a white woman and a top 1% Kenyan, Obama came out OK in the smarts dept. and his coal black father made him darker than you might expect from a mulatto.

    3. Obama had the advantage of being raised in a white family. Even though it was pretty dysfunctional for a white family, it was more functional than 99% of American black families. He also learned how to talk to white people.

    So it is not just some coincidence that the 1st black President has no American black slave blood and was raised by a white mother. If you look at the blacks who are doing well at places like Harvard, most of them fit one of those two categories or both (again unless they are Benjamin Jealous or Rachel Dolezal type “blacks” who would not be black at all but for AA).

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Jack D

    I'm of the belief, unpopular though it may be, that Obama's actual IQ is probably in the 105-110 region, meaning that while he's a lot smarter than the average black, he's not in the top 1% either. He's probably at the bottom of the top half of the "talented tenth" or just a little higher.

    Sowell and Williams are both darker than Obama and they are probably in the 120-130 range from what I can ascertain, perhaps a trifle lower. Either is certainly smarter than Obama. I'm guessing Quincy Jones is in that range too.

    A black in the 120-130 range is like a white in the 150+ region: statistically very rare but they certainly exist. Johnny von Neumann ( conceding him honorary White status since he was part Ashkenazi) and Revilo Oliver were probably up there. Famously, Feynman (who was functionally von Neumann's full peer) measured out considerably lower.

    Replies: @RamonaQ, @Anonymous, @e, @Boomstick, @Anonymous

    , @Triumph104
    @Jack D

    I mostly agree with you but Frank Marshall Davis is just as likely Obama's father. Obama is the same shade as many half-black descendants of slaves, like Halle Berry. I'm sure someone explained to him very early what an advantage he had being a black American with no ties to black Americans. I may be giving him too much credit but I think his entire adulthood was carefully orchestrated.

    His name change. His visiting his family in Kenya was a page straight out of Roots. No offense, but Michelle's biggest attraction was being the best friend of Jesse Jackson's daughter. While a nutty church like Rev. Wright's appeals to many native blacks, I think Obama only attended in order to make the right connections.

    As a kid he didn't just learn to talk to white people. He attended Pounahou, one of the two, if not the most elite school in Hawaii. Many of his classmates were the children of business leaders and politicians.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Former Darfur

    , @Clyde
    @Jack D


    3. Obama had the advantage of being raised in a white family. Even though it was pretty dysfunctional for a white family, it was more functional than 99% of American black families. He also learned how to talk to white people.
     
    Obama's family was very functional and connected as far as being able to get him into Hawaii's elite Punahou School where Obama was socialized to be presentable to white culture. To be able to talk to whites and all non-blacks. There were no blacks in Hawaaii, he had zero black upbringing, so he had to marry into it to succeed in Chicago politics. He was so dim about this that an old black lady gave him a short lecture that he had to belong to a church to succeed. This came as a shock to the atheist smart Alec Obama.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Nico

  4. Kayfabe may have some company with Wapofabe and Nytfabe?

    • Agree: Desiderius
  5. Reading the Samuels article, I can only conclude that Obama and Rhodes truly believe that anybody in the mainstream press will write about the two of them and their endeavors in nothing but flattering terms. And this can only be because they have observed, through the nearly eight years of the Obama administration, that that is exactly what has gone on.

    It’s good to be King — especially, in these fine days, a black one.

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  7. Yes, but is it OK to question the authorship of Dreams, or is that engaging in lunatic-fringe authorism?

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    @Inquiring Mind

    I don't think it's lunatic fringe, though it's certainly unpopular. I haven't seen anything written by Obama before or since then that isn't pedestrian.

    It's odd that his reputation for being a super-genius rests on two periods of his life: Harvard Law and the one book. Everything else falls into the "bright enough, but not great" category. Most of the speeches, assuming he's written them or had a hand in them, seem to have an undergraduate quality. More than a bit pompous, and very sure of his own rectitude and the wickedness of others.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @Thirdtwin
    @Inquiring Mind

    "..is it OK to question the authorship of Dreams, or is that engaging in lunatic-fringe authorism?"

    It's OK, but a better question would be who's going to ghostwrite Obama's next autobiography now that Rhodes has outed himself so infamously.

  8. Steve said, “An interesting question is whether Obama and Rhodes, who are both good writers, gave Samuels access because they get it that he gets it about Obama. Or were they just clueless too? Did Samuels use his iSteve-level awareness of Obama to play the President?”

    They are bragging that they used the MSM knowing that nothing will come of it.

    The sorriest thing to me about the decline of my beloved country is how the press, which fancies itself brave enough to “speak truth to power”, has become nothing more than stenographers to the politicians they agree with. I thought the MSM was in the tank for Clinton, but they are completely underwater for Obama.

    • Agree: RamonaQ
    • Replies: @Winthorp
    @Jim Don Bob

    Agree. Rhodes wanted to be an author, this was his great novel - a novelty of form, Delillo writ large - he wanted the credit.

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @SFG

    , @NOTA
    @Jim Don Bob

    It's worth asking why the foreign policy reporters don't know enough to notice when they're being bullshitted. I suspect it has to do with the financial meltdown of newspapers--almost nobody has any foreign bureaus anymore, and lots of the high cost, high experience old guard seems to have been let go in favor of bright well-educated 25 year olds with no experience of anything but the Ivy League and writing for a living.

    We will keep paying the price for that for the forseeable future.

  9. Why is there growing racial solidarity among Whites when I was told by the HBD crowd this could never happen without “intellectuals” backing it?

    And has anyone noticed it is the “lower” classes who are in the lead position?

  10. I think Obama and his mind melded acolytes take pride in being liberated from the influence of the bureaucratic elite

    I don’t think they were too unhappy with the Rhodes profile. It makes them look clever and everyone else look like a chump. Obama’s big foreign policy interview with Goldberg was exactly the same. I think they want to be remembered as the visionary admin that cut through the Blob and got stuff done

    • Replies: @Alice
    @RamonaQ

    Yeah I'm with RamonaQ and Jim Don Bob. I don't see the Goldberg piece as obtuse. The Goldberg piece was supposed to be flattering, that's why Obama gave him access. Obama was bragging at how he'd thrown off convention! It was Goldberg that was smart enough to make it read as idiotically as it truly is, like a man flaunting driving down the wrong side of the street because he'd thrown off convention!

    The Samuels piece was just another brag by the same idiots, who are so sure of their power that they like to humiliate their acolytes. Even now with Syria destroyed, hundreds of thousands dead, hey, they think Having No Plan other than to Buy Off folks, as if they were some union thug in Chicago, worked.

    Samuels apparently enjoyed humiliating Goldberg for personal reasons, and maybe he hated how the Goldberg piece made the Obama administration looks like idiots of the highest order.

    But still, neither Obama or Rhodes appears to have noticed. All the more clear how empty they are.

    I'm with Wretchard on this. https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2016/05/06/the-men-who-would-be-king/

  11. Believe me Steve – Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei doesn’t give damn what David Samuel, you or Barack Obama or Netanyahu think about Iran’s nuclear program.

    On October 7, 2015, Iran’s Supreme leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei while talking to commanders, staff and their families of Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), repeated his earlier warning that any further negotiations with United States are fruitless and even harmful to Iranian people because it carries Israeli agenda.

    “Unfortunately, a certain group, in a bid to justify negotiations between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Great Satan, are raising these issues in newspapers, speeches, and in virtual space through a commonplace view, which is totally wrong,” Khamenei said.

    While stressing that Iran is not opposed to negotiations in principle with countries, including European and non-European, Ayatullah Khamenei said: “But the issue is different when it comes to United States, because it has come up with a definition of negotiation with Iran – meaning infiltration and paving the way for imposing their demands.”

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/10/09/khamenei-warns-against-further-negotiations-with-us/

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Rehmat

    I'm sure if he gets a more congenial leader on our side he'll change his tune.

  12. “the incredibly juicy character of Dr. Jeremiah Wright–a religious con man who spread racist and anti-Semitic poison while having an alleged sexual affair with a white church secretary and milking his congregation for millions of dollars and a house in a gated community whose residents are overwhelmingly rich and white.”

    Goodness! This kind of sentence simply wouldn’t have been published in the MSM, let alone the DC Post, during Obama’s first term or even up to last yr. Guess with less than nine months to go before he leaves office its considered safe enough to write such things. I never heard anything even remotely along the lines that the good Reverend may have engaged in less than stellar personal behavior in the national MSM. How did this sentence ever make it past the editors at the Post?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    It was published in The New Republic in October 2008.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Triumph104
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I know it sounds scandalous but that is pretty normal for today's successful black pastor. The congregation doesn't care. They want their pastor to have nice things and some will happily give their last nickel. Most think money is a sign of God's favor and if their pastor has money, money will magically show up for them too.

    The worshippers just want to be entertained and show off their illegitimate children. If the pastor does cheat on his wife or get caught with drugs, everyone will shrug and say he is just a man. They love knowing they too can sin with abandon and always be forgiven. Bishop Eddie Long had sex with boys. He not only still has his church, but he has satellite churches in other cities.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Harry Baldwin

  13. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    So Rhodes, a half-Jewish, half-Anglo-Saxon guy, is trying his utmost to make Iran, a country hostile to both Israel and the United States, a nuclear power? What the heck does he think he’s going to get in return? Does he think that murderous Islamic mullahs are suddenly going to adopt him and pat him on the head like he’s their nice little pet doggie?

    There’s a special place in hell for guys who try to screw over their country by birth and their country by blood. The guy is nothing but an opportunistic, in-house traitor. The weasel needs to be arrested, put on trial, and locked up.

    Doesn’t it even occur to him that if Iran uses nuclear weapons against real, live people, it’s his fault for arming fanatical nutjobs? He shows not the least sign of any awareness that someone might want to use those weapons.

    He thinks like a retarded child. He’s a pathetic toady whose only goal in life is to find someone to suck up to.

    Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    @Anon

    The nukes will go off somewhere. Likely within 25 years. No effective weapon has ever been banned. Deal with it.

    The American people have neither the wealth nor the interest to police the world's crazies for eternity, just the intestinal fortitude (I pray) to nuke 'em 'til they glow if they go all stupid on us.

    And Persians aren't that stupid. All they have is lots and lots of desert and oil ... and a several thousand year old culture sustained in a handful of pismire cities they are loath to see erased.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Lot
    @Anon

    As Big Bill also says, there is no real way to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons using sanctions. Obama ending this policy that didn't work is no danger to the USA or Israel.

    Israel has its own nukes, and the most likely target for an Iranian nuke is Saudi Arabia, the second most is Afghanistan. Israel's problem with Iran is not nukes, but that it funds anti-Israel terrorist groups in Lebanon and Syria. But it is a petty problem that Israel is handling just fine. I am pro-Israel, but that means strong weapon export support, vetoing anti-Israel policies in the United Nations, and supporting Israel having a free hand in dealing with areas annexed in 1967 as well as in the failed state of Lebanon. It does not mean picking a fight with large country like Iran over its minor financial support for Hezbollah.

    Replies: @Karl

    , @Discordiax
    @Anon

    The relevant tribe for Rhodes is not "Jews." No traces of pro-Isreal anything--Israelis (who, remember, keep electing Netanyahu types) are as alien, icky and troublesome as flyover country badwhites. His tribe is SWPL, his objective (with Iran) was to get the US out of the Middle East hegemony business so that we would not fight another war in the Middle East.

    Most of the foreign policy/defense establishment is pretty much in agreement on this (the only way to actually stop an Iranian bomb is war with Iran, and just about nobody has the stomach to "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.") Rhodes' (and Obama's) distinction is that he's not trying to square the circle of A) allowing an Iranian bomb and B) maintaining US hegemony in the Middle East/Persian Gulf.

  14. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "the incredibly juicy character of Dr. Jeremiah Wright–a religious con man who spread racist and anti-Semitic poison while having an alleged sexual affair with a white church secretary and milking his congregation for millions of dollars and a house in a gated community whose residents are overwhelmingly rich and white."

    Goodness! This kind of sentence simply wouldn't have been published in the MSM, let alone the DC Post, during Obama's first term or even up to last yr. Guess with less than nine months to go before he leaves office its considered safe enough to write such things. I never heard anything even remotely along the lines that the good Reverend may have engaged in less than stellar personal behavior in the national MSM. How did this sentence ever make it past the editors at the Post?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Triumph104

    It was published in The New Republic in October 2008.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Including the part about the possible misconduct? Really? Came as a complete surprise. Of course, Oct. '08 he hadn't been elected President. Wonder what other items will be published during this final yr regarding his administration that were kept tightly under wraps.

  15. Dreams From My Father puzzles the hell out of me too. The book is largely B.S. — but it contains a lot of anti-white racial hostility, “daddy issues,” admission of felony drug use, left-wing pap, etc.

    It was out there for years before Obama ran for national office… and yet nobody — NOBODY — gave a damn about it and used it against him. (Certainly not the Republicans).

    For the last eight years, I’ve been asking my students, little Millennial Obamabots, if they’ve ever read it. NONE of them have. None of them are familiar with Rev. Wright, Obama’s “after the election” promise to Dimitri Medvedev, Frank Marshall Davis, his drug use… none of it. They accept the fabricated, Wizard-of-Oz image of the man 100%, hook, line, and sinker.

    It’s almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say “Eh.. so what?”

    Actually, the guy DID say “I’m good at killing people” and everybody shrugged it off… can you imagine if Romney or Trump had said such a thing? It’d be on the front page of the NYT every day for a year straight…

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    @Dr. X

    Trump would have used it and with a vengeance. That is why this election will be a pleasure. Trump will not shy away from making Hillary uncomfortable. Nothing was ever done to make Obama uncomfortable. I remember when he debated McCain. McCain called him Senator and he condescendingly called McCain "John" and no matter how many times he did it, McCain did not respond with the same. Had he called Trump "Donald", Trump would have called him Barry. Not Barak but Barry.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Glossy
    @Dr. X

    It’s almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer

    He IS a serial drone-murderer.

    Replies: @NOTA

    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @Dr. X

    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Trump said...

    , @newrouter
    @Dr. X

    >Actually, the guy DID say “I’m good at killing people” and everybody shrugged it off… can you imagine if Romney or Trump had said such a thing? It’d be on the front page of the NYT every day for a year straight…<


    well the nyt is what exactly these days?

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Dr. X

    Mark Steyn answered the same question about Bill Clinton here: http://www.steynonline.com/7394/predators-for-hillary.

    "...on the eve of the impeachment trial in Washington, David Frum and I had a cup of tea with a prominent American media leftie and, after a bit of chit-chat about the latest damning revelations, David asked him why he and the rest of the press were sticking with Clinton. "Well," he said, "in the end he's our guy." "

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @International Jew
    @Dr. X


    It’s almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say “Eh.. so what?”
     
    That's pretty much the size of it. In the run-up to that Iran deal, if you were against it, you were presumed to be against Obama. (Except on unz.com, of course, where if you were against that deal you were a conniving perfidious dually-loyal Jew.)

    As with other hot issues of the last 7 years, it seems the left isn't even trying very hard to be persuasive. They're supremely confident the dissenters don't matter. And their new open anti-white triumphalism is of a piece with that.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Jeremiahjohnbalaya
    @Dr. X

    It’s almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say “Eh.. so what?”

    I watched the Juanita Broadrick (sp?) interview w/ my liberal/feminist girlfriend at the time. She said "I believe he[Bill Clinton] raped her, but I would vote for him again"

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  16. Samuels ain’t all that: he thinks Obama actually wrote Dreams From My Father.

  17. @Dr. X
    Dreams From My Father puzzles the hell out of me too. The book is largely B.S. -- but it contains a lot of anti-white racial hostility, "daddy issues," admission of felony drug use, left-wing pap, etc.

    It was out there for years before Obama ran for national office... and yet nobody -- NOBODY -- gave a damn about it and used it against him. (Certainly not the Republicans).

    For the last eight years, I've been asking my students, little Millennial Obamabots, if they've ever read it. NONE of them have. None of them are familiar with Rev. Wright, Obama's "after the election" promise to Dimitri Medvedev, Frank Marshall Davis, his drug use... none of it. They accept the fabricated, Wizard-of-Oz image of the man 100%, hook, line, and sinker.

    It's almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say "Eh.. so what?"

    Actually, the guy DID say "I'm good at killing people" and everybody shrugged it off... can you imagine if Romney or Trump had said such a thing? It'd be on the front page of the NYT every day for a year straight...

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @Glossy, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @newrouter, @Jim Don Bob, @International Jew, @Jeremiahjohnbalaya

    Trump would have used it and with a vengeance. That is why this election will be a pleasure. Trump will not shy away from making Hillary uncomfortable. Nothing was ever done to make Obama uncomfortable. I remember when he debated McCain. McCain called him Senator and he condescendingly called McCain “John” and no matter how many times he did it, McCain did not respond with the same. Had he called Trump “Donald”, Trump would have called him Barry. Not Barak but Barry.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Cwhatfuture

    You can see Trump would've added a moniker like "Contrary Barry" or "Barry the Beanpole" or some descriptive adjective the way he did to Cruz and to Jeb! Could even be a throwaway line like "Don't let your face freeze like that, you don't want it to crack!"

    And Hillary gets uncomfortable rather easily so someone like Trump will have a field day at it. For example: Apparently Trump has a concealed permit to carry in NYC and with Hillary making gun control a major issue of her campaign its just gotten a lot more personal. Trump could easily do a "Ok, Hillary, you want to try and take away my permit? Just try it." type of thing. The fact that he has a license could really help him win over Cruz and other GOP pro-gun voters because the issue is personal to him.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

  18. @Dr. X
    Dreams From My Father puzzles the hell out of me too. The book is largely B.S. -- but it contains a lot of anti-white racial hostility, "daddy issues," admission of felony drug use, left-wing pap, etc.

    It was out there for years before Obama ran for national office... and yet nobody -- NOBODY -- gave a damn about it and used it against him. (Certainly not the Republicans).

    For the last eight years, I've been asking my students, little Millennial Obamabots, if they've ever read it. NONE of them have. None of them are familiar with Rev. Wright, Obama's "after the election" promise to Dimitri Medvedev, Frank Marshall Davis, his drug use... none of it. They accept the fabricated, Wizard-of-Oz image of the man 100%, hook, line, and sinker.

    It's almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say "Eh.. so what?"

    Actually, the guy DID say "I'm good at killing people" and everybody shrugged it off... can you imagine if Romney or Trump had said such a thing? It'd be on the front page of the NYT every day for a year straight...

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @Glossy, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @newrouter, @Jim Don Bob, @International Jew, @Jeremiahjohnbalaya

    It’s almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer

    He IS a serial drone-murderer.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @Glossy

    Murdering faceless third world foreigners is pretty much part of the job description at this point.

  19. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    It was published in The New Republic in October 2008.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Including the part about the possible misconduct? Really? Came as a complete surprise. Of course, Oct. ’08 he hadn’t been elected President. Wonder what other items will be published during this final yr regarding his administration that were kept tightly under wraps.

  20. @Cwhatfuture
    @Dr. X

    Trump would have used it and with a vengeance. That is why this election will be a pleasure. Trump will not shy away from making Hillary uncomfortable. Nothing was ever done to make Obama uncomfortable. I remember when he debated McCain. McCain called him Senator and he condescendingly called McCain "John" and no matter how many times he did it, McCain did not respond with the same. Had he called Trump "Donald", Trump would have called him Barry. Not Barak but Barry.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    You can see Trump would’ve added a moniker like “Contrary Barry” or “Barry the Beanpole” or some descriptive adjective the way he did to Cruz and to Jeb! Could even be a throwaway line like “Don’t let your face freeze like that, you don’t want it to crack!”

    And Hillary gets uncomfortable rather easily so someone like Trump will have a field day at it. For example: Apparently Trump has a concealed permit to carry in NYC and with Hillary making gun control a major issue of her campaign its just gotten a lot more personal. Trump could easily do a “Ok, Hillary, you want to try and take away my permit? Just try it.” type of thing. The fact that he has a license could really help him win over Cruz and other GOP pro-gun voters because the issue is personal to him.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    No one supports NYC's gun laws like the majority of people who hold NYC concealed carry permits. That's not to say all do, but it's sufficiently exclusive that those who have gone to that much trouble and expense are aghast that just anyone could be allowed to pack in New York.

    That isn't to say they support gun control elsewhere. Some do , some don't.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  21. @Anon
    So Rhodes, a half-Jewish, half-Anglo-Saxon guy, is trying his utmost to make Iran, a country hostile to both Israel and the United States, a nuclear power? What the heck does he think he's going to get in return? Does he think that murderous Islamic mullahs are suddenly going to adopt him and pat him on the head like he's their nice little pet doggie?

    There's a special place in hell for guys who try to screw over their country by birth and their country by blood. The guy is nothing but an opportunistic, in-house traitor. The weasel needs to be arrested, put on trial, and locked up.

    Doesn't it even occur to him that if Iran uses nuclear weapons against real, live people, it's his fault for arming fanatical nutjobs? He shows not the least sign of any awareness that someone might want to use those weapons.

    He thinks like a retarded child. He's a pathetic toady whose only goal in life is to find someone to suck up to.

    Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Lot, @Discordiax

    The nukes will go off somewhere. Likely within 25 years. No effective weapon has ever been banned. Deal with it.

    The American people have neither the wealth nor the interest to police the world’s crazies for eternity, just the intestinal fortitude (I pray) to nuke ’em ’til they glow if they go all stupid on us.

    And Persians aren’t that stupid. All they have is lots and lots of desert and oil … and a several thousand year old culture sustained in a handful of pismire cities they are loath to see erased.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Big Bill

    Liberals want to ban guns in case evil people get hold of them. Yet they're okay with giving nuclear weapons to evil people.

    This is why liberals are insane.

  22. @Dr. X
    Dreams From My Father puzzles the hell out of me too. The book is largely B.S. -- but it contains a lot of anti-white racial hostility, "daddy issues," admission of felony drug use, left-wing pap, etc.

    It was out there for years before Obama ran for national office... and yet nobody -- NOBODY -- gave a damn about it and used it against him. (Certainly not the Republicans).

    For the last eight years, I've been asking my students, little Millennial Obamabots, if they've ever read it. NONE of them have. None of them are familiar with Rev. Wright, Obama's "after the election" promise to Dimitri Medvedev, Frank Marshall Davis, his drug use... none of it. They accept the fabricated, Wizard-of-Oz image of the man 100%, hook, line, and sinker.

    It's almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say "Eh.. so what?"

    Actually, the guy DID say "I'm good at killing people" and everybody shrugged it off... can you imagine if Romney or Trump had said such a thing? It'd be on the front page of the NYT every day for a year straight...

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @Glossy, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @newrouter, @Jim Don Bob, @International Jew, @Jeremiahjohnbalaya

    “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters,” Trump said…

  23. There is no evidence that Obama wrote Dreams of My Father, or that Obama Sr. is his father for that matter. He was exceptional in his term as editor of Harvard Law Review, unprecedented even, for having written……absolutely nothing. Writers write. They can’t help themselves. Obama has the soul of a bureaucrat, if a bureaucrat has a soul.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @james wilson


    Obama has the soul of a bureaucrat, if a bureaucrat has a soul.
     
    Reminds me of libertarian (and Trump biographer) Jerome Tuccille's explanation of why he was out standing in the pouring rain hawking Richard Nixon: because Hubert Humphrey was Wesley Mouch.

    Obama is the Brown Mouch. Or maybe the Churchmouch.
  24. OT, and sorry if this has already been posted: the New Yorker turns its attention to the alt right. Gentlemen prepare for heavy weather.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/is-the-alt-right-for-real

    • Replies: @Glossy
    @gruff

    The strains that run through the alt-right—that wrap together the vicious misogyny and plaintive victimhood of GamerGate with Prussia-venerating neo-reactionaries—are in their essence not matters of substance but of style.

    Not true. There's lots of substance, all the science behind HBD for example. There's social conservatism, nationalism, ethno-centrism. All of these things are related and most of the people who talk about them take them seriously. So the article is pretty clueless.

    Replies: @gruff, @guest

    , @candid_observer
    @gruff

    The New Yorker piece makes a big deal of the Zero Hedge site as if it's some major source of Alt-right thinking.

    But, frankly, I haven't even heard of it -- or don't remember having heard of it.

    Is the idea that Zero Hedge is a big deal in Alt-right just a convenient fabrication by the author of the piece?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PV van der Byl

  25. @Jim Don Bob
    Steve said, "An interesting question is whether Obama and Rhodes, who are both good writers, gave Samuels access because they get it that he gets it about Obama. Or were they just clueless too? Did Samuels use his iSteve-level awareness of Obama to play the President?"

    They are bragging that they used the MSM knowing that nothing will come of it.

    The sorriest thing to me about the decline of my beloved country is how the press, which fancies itself brave enough to "speak truth to power", has become nothing more than stenographers to the politicians they agree with. I thought the MSM was in the tank for Clinton, but they are completely underwater for Obama.

    Replies: @Winthorp, @NOTA

    Agree. Rhodes wanted to be an author, this was his great novel – a novelty of form, Delillo writ large – he wanted the credit.

    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    @Winthorp

    Obama does not like sharing credit with anyone. Even for this. This won't end well for Rhodes.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Winthorp

    , @SFG
    @Winthorp

    You know, that's probably it. And it was quite a work of fiction.

    I can't even complain--peace with Iran is a good thing.

    Replies: @Winthorp

  26. @Dr. X
    Dreams From My Father puzzles the hell out of me too. The book is largely B.S. -- but it contains a lot of anti-white racial hostility, "daddy issues," admission of felony drug use, left-wing pap, etc.

    It was out there for years before Obama ran for national office... and yet nobody -- NOBODY -- gave a damn about it and used it against him. (Certainly not the Republicans).

    For the last eight years, I've been asking my students, little Millennial Obamabots, if they've ever read it. NONE of them have. None of them are familiar with Rev. Wright, Obama's "after the election" promise to Dimitri Medvedev, Frank Marshall Davis, his drug use... none of it. They accept the fabricated, Wizard-of-Oz image of the man 100%, hook, line, and sinker.

    It's almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say "Eh.. so what?"

    Actually, the guy DID say "I'm good at killing people" and everybody shrugged it off... can you imagine if Romney or Trump had said such a thing? It'd be on the front page of the NYT every day for a year straight...

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @Glossy, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @newrouter, @Jim Don Bob, @International Jew, @Jeremiahjohnbalaya

    >Actually, the guy DID say “I’m good at killing people” and everybody shrugged it off… can you imagine if Romney or Trump had said such a thing? It’d be on the front page of the NYT every day for a year straight…<

    well the nyt is what exactly these days?

  27. @Jack D
    Samuels gets it and yet he doesn't. An Obama could NOT have come from the American Black community (even the light skinned talented 10th like the Rev. Wright) for several reasons:

    1. An almost white (Benjamin Jealous) type octoroon would not have been "black enough" for the Dems - he wouldn't have made white liberals feel good enough about themselves.

    2. A blacker figure would not have had the intellectual HP. The # of slave descended American blacks who are as dark as Obama with Obama's brains are vanishingly small. As the product of a white woman and a top 1% Kenyan, Obama came out OK in the smarts dept. and his coal black father made him darker than you might expect from a mulatto.

    3. Obama had the advantage of being raised in a white family. Even though it was pretty dysfunctional for a white family, it was more functional than 99% of American black families. He also learned how to talk to white people.

    So it is not just some coincidence that the 1st black President has no American black slave blood and was raised by a white mother. If you look at the blacks who are doing well at places like Harvard, most of them fit one of those two categories or both (again unless they are Benjamin Jealous or Rachel Dolezal type "blacks" who would not be black at all but for AA).

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @Triumph104, @Clyde

    I’m of the belief, unpopular though it may be, that Obama’s actual IQ is probably in the 105-110 region, meaning that while he’s a lot smarter than the average black, he’s not in the top 1% either. He’s probably at the bottom of the top half of the “talented tenth” or just a little higher.

    Sowell and Williams are both darker than Obama and they are probably in the 120-130 range from what I can ascertain, perhaps a trifle lower. Either is certainly smarter than Obama. I’m guessing Quincy Jones is in that range too.

    A black in the 120-130 range is like a white in the 150+ region: statistically very rare but they certainly exist. Johnny von Neumann ( conceding him honorary White status since he was part Ashkenazi) and Revilo Oliver were probably up there. Famously, Feynman (who was functionally von Neumann’s full peer) measured out considerably lower.

    • Replies: @RamonaQ
    @Former Darfur

    I agree. I don't think he is that smart and it's based on only one thing which is inability to string a phrase together without a teleprompter. I haven't ever met a smart person who spoke that badly.

    , @Anonymous
    @Former Darfur

    Where do you get that John von Neumann was only part Ashkenazi? Perhaps you've been confused somehow by his deathbed conversion to Catholicism, but his ethnic background was entirely Ashkenazi.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    , @e
    @Former Darfur

    Nope. He is verbally fluent and no 100-105 IQ produces that fluency.

    I'd say he's somewhere between 130-135 or so.

    Replies: @Veracitor, @e

    , @Boomstick
    @Former Darfur

    I'd guess Obama is in the 120-130ish range, probably with a strong gap between quantitative and verbal. You can do some reverse engineering from his initial choice of college. Occidental is a good school, but he doesn't strike me as the sort who would pass on a AA-assisted admit to HYPS if he had the test scores. Maybe you can make some allowances for late maturation or a dope-addled youth. He seems to have done basically OK at Columbia and has a talent for accurately repeating back/summarizing what people have said. His Harvard Law time is a puzzle, because that's the only time in his life he's consistently performed at a high intellectual level. At Chicago he was happy enough to teach but didn't engage in any of the intellectual give-and-take the school is famous for.

    Steve Hsu has some thoughts on Feynman's supposedly low IQ. I suspect Feynman liked to play it up as part of this regular-guy schtick.

    "Feynman was universally regarded as one of the fastest thinking and most creative theorists in his generation. Yet it has been reported-including by Feynman himself-that he only obtained a score of 125 on a school IQ test. I suspect that this test emphasized verbal, as opposed to mathematical, ability. Feynman received the highest score in the country by a large margin on the notoriously difficult Putnam mathematics competition exam, although he joined the MIT team on short notice and did not prepare for the test. He also reportedly had the highest scores on record on the math/physics graduate admission exams at Princeton. It seems quite possible to me that Feynman's cognitive abilities might have been a bit lopsided-his vocabulary and verbal ability were well above average, but perhaps not as great as his mathematical abilities. I recall looking at excerpts from a notebook Feynman kept while an undergraduate. While the notes covered very advanced topics for an undergraduate-including general relativity and the Dirac equation-it also contained a number of misspellings and grammatical errors. I doubt Feynman cared very much about such things. "

    One of the physisists at Los Alamos described Feynman as "a second Dirac, only this time human."

    Replies: @Bill P

    , @Anonymous
    @Former Darfur

    Great example of political incorrectness makes you stupid.

    Obama graduated magna from Harvard law. Grading is blind in law school. He finished in the top 15% among a field of competition like Harvard law. It's quite possible he has an IQ of over 140. Certainly 130+.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @peterike, @Boomstick

  28. @Jack D
    Samuels gets it and yet he doesn't. An Obama could NOT have come from the American Black community (even the light skinned talented 10th like the Rev. Wright) for several reasons:

    1. An almost white (Benjamin Jealous) type octoroon would not have been "black enough" for the Dems - he wouldn't have made white liberals feel good enough about themselves.

    2. A blacker figure would not have had the intellectual HP. The # of slave descended American blacks who are as dark as Obama with Obama's brains are vanishingly small. As the product of a white woman and a top 1% Kenyan, Obama came out OK in the smarts dept. and his coal black father made him darker than you might expect from a mulatto.

    3. Obama had the advantage of being raised in a white family. Even though it was pretty dysfunctional for a white family, it was more functional than 99% of American black families. He also learned how to talk to white people.

    So it is not just some coincidence that the 1st black President has no American black slave blood and was raised by a white mother. If you look at the blacks who are doing well at places like Harvard, most of them fit one of those two categories or both (again unless they are Benjamin Jealous or Rachel Dolezal type "blacks" who would not be black at all but for AA).

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @Triumph104, @Clyde

    I mostly agree with you but Frank Marshall Davis is just as likely Obama’s father. Obama is the same shade as many half-black descendants of slaves, like Halle Berry. I’m sure someone explained to him very early what an advantage he had being a black American with no ties to black Americans. I may be giving him too much credit but I think his entire adulthood was carefully orchestrated.

    His name change. His visiting his family in Kenya was a page straight out of Roots. No offense, but Michelle’s biggest attraction was being the best friend of Jesse Jackson’s daughter. While a nutty church like Rev. Wright’s appeals to many native blacks, I think Obama only attended in order to make the right connections.

    As a kid he didn’t just learn to talk to white people. He attended Pounahou, one of the two, if not the most elite school in Hawaii. Many of his classmates were the children of business leaders and politicians.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Triumph104


    I may be giving him too much credit but I think his entire adulthood was carefully orchestrated.
     
    Must've been sleeping, 'cause I missed the adulthood part.

    Many of his classmates were the children of business leaders and politicians.
     
    The school's high point was the Kingston Trio, before BHO2 was born.
    , @Former Darfur
    @Triumph104

    The Frank Marshall Davis hypothesis makes a great deal of sense, but DNA proof is the only thing that will be generally accepted in derailing The Narative.

  29. @Winthorp
    @Jim Don Bob

    Agree. Rhodes wanted to be an author, this was his great novel - a novelty of form, Delillo writ large - he wanted the credit.

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @SFG

    Obama does not like sharing credit with anyone. Even for this. This won’t end well for Rhodes.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Cwhatfuture


    This won’t end well for Rhodes.
     
    Only five more months left before the elections. Obama will let it slide and not let the guillotine drop on Rhodes. At least, that would be Rhodes' calculation.

    And then on to the next administration at a higher level, or a private sector job to try and catch up to his brother's income level.

    , @Winthorp
    @Cwhatfuture

    I'm inclined to see this as Coen brothers style shenanigans. Rhodes and Obama are portrayed as mind-melded, in constant contact - as fraternal co-writers. Rhodes wants notoriety, Obama wants both credit and the maintenance of presidential distance. So Rhodes gets billed as director, Obama as producer. That's what this story accomplishes.

    Replies: @Winthorp, @Connecticut Famer, @cwhatfuture

  30. @james wilson
    There is no evidence that Obama wrote Dreams of My Father, or that Obama Sr. is his father for that matter. He was exceptional in his term as editor of Harvard Law Review, unprecedented even, for having written......absolutely nothing. Writers write. They can't help themselves. Obama has the soul of a bureaucrat, if a bureaucrat has a soul.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Obama has the soul of a bureaucrat, if a bureaucrat has a soul.

    Reminds me of libertarian (and Trump biographer) Jerome Tuccille’s explanation of why he was out standing in the pouring rain hawking Richard Nixon: because Hubert Humphrey was Wesley Mouch.

    Obama is the Brown Mouch. Or maybe the Churchmouch.

  31. @Triumph104
    @Jack D

    I mostly agree with you but Frank Marshall Davis is just as likely Obama's father. Obama is the same shade as many half-black descendants of slaves, like Halle Berry. I'm sure someone explained to him very early what an advantage he had being a black American with no ties to black Americans. I may be giving him too much credit but I think his entire adulthood was carefully orchestrated.

    His name change. His visiting his family in Kenya was a page straight out of Roots. No offense, but Michelle's biggest attraction was being the best friend of Jesse Jackson's daughter. While a nutty church like Rev. Wright's appeals to many native blacks, I think Obama only attended in order to make the right connections.

    As a kid he didn't just learn to talk to white people. He attended Pounahou, one of the two, if not the most elite school in Hawaii. Many of his classmates were the children of business leaders and politicians.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Former Darfur

    I may be giving him too much credit but I think his entire adulthood was carefully orchestrated.

    Must’ve been sleeping, ’cause I missed the adulthood part.

    Many of his classmates were the children of business leaders and politicians.

    The school’s high point was the Kingston Trio, before BHO2 was born.

  32. Glossy says: • Website
    @gruff
    OT, and sorry if this has already been posted: the New Yorker turns its attention to the alt right. Gentlemen prepare for heavy weather.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/is-the-alt-right-for-real

    Replies: @Glossy, @candid_observer

    The strains that run through the alt-right—that wrap together the vicious misogyny and plaintive victimhood of GamerGate with Prussia-venerating neo-reactionaries—are in their essence not matters of substance but of style.

    Not true. There’s lots of substance, all the science behind HBD for example. There’s social conservatism, nationalism, ethno-centrism. All of these things are related and most of the people who talk about them take them seriously. So the article is pretty clueless.

    • Replies: @gruff
    @Glossy

    Yes but it's the beginning of a long summer of this sort of thing.

    , @guest
    @Glossy

    Your substance doesn't count...because. Remember Richard Hofstadter's "paranoid style" and anti-intellectualism in America? Basically, since the ruling intellectuals were leftists if you weren't a leftist you were an anti-intellectual. Or if you didn't buy the mainstream line on this or that, you were paranoid. Unless you were part of the pet opposition. They were big on diagnosing everyone who made a show of not being with the program as crazy back then.

    The thing with the alt-right is that it is a show, because all the Big names have to promote themselves or be promoted to get noticed. They can't get a nice teaching sinecure and pump out books on the university press, can they? They can't get access to the national media, except to be an object of fun. So outsiders assume they're not really serious. Or that, since Everyone Who Matters believes the opposite the alt-right must have nothing but bluster to back themselves up.

    It's not as if climate scientists, for instance, or anti-racist anthropologists and psychologists would sit on evidence, or anything. The scientific community, the free market of ideas. These things work! They must work, and can't be wrong. We spent all this money on them, see. Anyone who disagrees must be a P.T. Barnum.

  33. Ben Rhodes should be nicknamed Earnest Josh.

  34. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Cwhatfuture

    You can see Trump would've added a moniker like "Contrary Barry" or "Barry the Beanpole" or some descriptive adjective the way he did to Cruz and to Jeb! Could even be a throwaway line like "Don't let your face freeze like that, you don't want it to crack!"

    And Hillary gets uncomfortable rather easily so someone like Trump will have a field day at it. For example: Apparently Trump has a concealed permit to carry in NYC and with Hillary making gun control a major issue of her campaign its just gotten a lot more personal. Trump could easily do a "Ok, Hillary, you want to try and take away my permit? Just try it." type of thing. The fact that he has a license could really help him win over Cruz and other GOP pro-gun voters because the issue is personal to him.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    No one supports NYC’s gun laws like the majority of people who hold NYC concealed carry permits. That’s not to say all do, but it’s sufficiently exclusive that those who have gone to that much trouble and expense are aghast that just anyone could be allowed to pack in New York.

    That isn’t to say they support gun control elsewhere. Some do , some don’t.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Former Darfur

    Trump had a NYC concealed carry permit, at least he did back around 2000, along with Robert De Niro, William F. Buckley, and Buddy Hackett.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Reg Cæsar, @Dr. X, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Former Darfur

    Finish the sentence. Hillary has just given Trump an issue in the campaign on which to win big time in various gun-loving states. Unlike some in NYC, the perception is clear that Hillary would indeed implement such draconian gun control measures if elected whereas Trump himself doesn't appear to be pro-gun control in, say, the way Michael Bloomberg does.

    On this issue, Trump comes across as the more moderate and reasonable candidate.

  35. @Triumph104
    @Jack D

    I mostly agree with you but Frank Marshall Davis is just as likely Obama's father. Obama is the same shade as many half-black descendants of slaves, like Halle Berry. I'm sure someone explained to him very early what an advantage he had being a black American with no ties to black Americans. I may be giving him too much credit but I think his entire adulthood was carefully orchestrated.

    His name change. His visiting his family in Kenya was a page straight out of Roots. No offense, but Michelle's biggest attraction was being the best friend of Jesse Jackson's daughter. While a nutty church like Rev. Wright's appeals to many native blacks, I think Obama only attended in order to make the right connections.

    As a kid he didn't just learn to talk to white people. He attended Pounahou, one of the two, if not the most elite school in Hawaii. Many of his classmates were the children of business leaders and politicians.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Former Darfur

    The Frank Marshall Davis hypothesis makes a great deal of sense, but DNA proof is the only thing that will be generally accepted in derailing The Narative.

  36. @Inquiring Mind
    Yes, but is it OK to question the authorship of Dreams, or is that engaging in lunatic-fringe authorism?

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Thirdtwin

    I don’t think it’s lunatic fringe, though it’s certainly unpopular. I haven’t seen anything written by Obama before or since then that isn’t pedestrian.

    It’s odd that his reputation for being a super-genius rests on two periods of his life: Harvard Law and the one book. Everything else falls into the “bright enough, but not great” category. Most of the speeches, assuming he’s written them or had a hand in them, seem to have an undergraduate quality. More than a bit pompous, and very sure of his own rectitude and the wickedness of others.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Boomstick

    Then turning large portions of the Mid-East into a cesspool doesn't count against Obama?

  37. Now, you know and I know what Samuels is talking about here, but for most of the media this is just a big Does Not Compute.

    As usual with your personality/temperament, you’re being too generous here. It absolutely does compute – they love Obama because they recognize his own story (and crucially it’s lack of correspondence with reality, and his getting away with it) as their own.

  38. @Former Darfur
    @Jack D

    I'm of the belief, unpopular though it may be, that Obama's actual IQ is probably in the 105-110 region, meaning that while he's a lot smarter than the average black, he's not in the top 1% either. He's probably at the bottom of the top half of the "talented tenth" or just a little higher.

    Sowell and Williams are both darker than Obama and they are probably in the 120-130 range from what I can ascertain, perhaps a trifle lower. Either is certainly smarter than Obama. I'm guessing Quincy Jones is in that range too.

    A black in the 120-130 range is like a white in the 150+ region: statistically very rare but they certainly exist. Johnny von Neumann ( conceding him honorary White status since he was part Ashkenazi) and Revilo Oliver were probably up there. Famously, Feynman (who was functionally von Neumann's full peer) measured out considerably lower.

    Replies: @RamonaQ, @Anonymous, @e, @Boomstick, @Anonymous

    I agree. I don’t think he is that smart and it’s based on only one thing which is inability to string a phrase together without a teleprompter. I haven’t ever met a smart person who spoke that badly.

  39. @Former Darfur
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    No one supports NYC's gun laws like the majority of people who hold NYC concealed carry permits. That's not to say all do, but it's sufficiently exclusive that those who have gone to that much trouble and expense are aghast that just anyone could be allowed to pack in New York.

    That isn't to say they support gun control elsewhere. Some do , some don't.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Trump had a NYC concealed carry permit, at least he did back around 2000, along with Robert De Niro, William F. Buckley, and Buddy Hackett.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    @Steve Sailer

    Buddy Hackett, now we're talking. The only name that I could think of upon reading the name Buddy Hackett was comedian, Pat Cooper. Sure enough, I just checked and Pat Cooper has a New York City concealed carry permit, which is kind of scary.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKZsIMR5FhM

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Trump had a NYC concealed carry permit, at least he did back around 2000, along with Robert De Niro, William F. Buckley, and Buddy Hackett.
     
    As did Laurence Rockefeller, who told the police he needed it because he carried large sums of money. Never mind that his family was notorious for not carrying any size sum of money, to dissuade beggars.

    It was kind of like the staged adultery common before no-fault divorce.

    Replies: @EriK, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @Dr. X
    @Steve Sailer

    NYC's gun laws are basically straight out of the Third World. Celebrities, the politically connected, and the rich get a wink and a nod. For everyone else the cops just laugh hysterically and then snicker "Fuggetaboutit."

    The NYC handgun permit application is more intrusive and onerous than a month of daily rectal exams.

    One solution, of course (again, just like in the Third World) is bribery. The Orthodox Jews recently had a scheme running where they got 150 handgun permits for their fellow "chosen ones" by bribing the cops. The main fixer in the scheme was charging $18,000 per permit, pocketing $12,000 and giving the cops $6,000.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SPMoore8

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, but Buddy Hackett is dead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Hackett#Death) and so is William F. Buckley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley_Jr.#Death) so clearly a conceal-carry permit is deadly to the carrier! It is a statistical certainty! All concealed-carry permits come with a death sentence! Abstain from them, and live forever!

  40. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "the incredibly juicy character of Dr. Jeremiah Wright–a religious con man who spread racist and anti-Semitic poison while having an alleged sexual affair with a white church secretary and milking his congregation for millions of dollars and a house in a gated community whose residents are overwhelmingly rich and white."

    Goodness! This kind of sentence simply wouldn't have been published in the MSM, let alone the DC Post, during Obama's first term or even up to last yr. Guess with less than nine months to go before he leaves office its considered safe enough to write such things. I never heard anything even remotely along the lines that the good Reverend may have engaged in less than stellar personal behavior in the national MSM. How did this sentence ever make it past the editors at the Post?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Triumph104

    I know it sounds scandalous but that is pretty normal for today’s successful black pastor. The congregation doesn’t care. They want their pastor to have nice things and some will happily give their last nickel. Most think money is a sign of God’s favor and if their pastor has money, money will magically show up for them too.

    The worshippers just want to be entertained and show off their illegitimate children. If the pastor does cheat on his wife or get caught with drugs, everyone will shrug and say he is just a man. They love knowing they too can sin with abandon and always be forgiven. Bishop Eddie Long had sex with boys. He not only still has his church, but he has satellite churches in other cities.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Triumph104

    Yes, there are several prominent black pastors who have a svengali like hold over their congregations and may indeed have personal problems etc. But one would think that the congregation would have a big time problem that Rev. Wright was having an affair with a white secretary. That kind of thing generally doesn't go down too well with the black church ladies. If he was having an affair with another black church lady, that probably would've been fine. Indeed most black pastors tend to keep their affairs within the community (e.g. Reality show "LA Preachers" etc,).

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Triumph104

    Let's not forget the late, great Reverend Ike, known for such inspirational pronouncements as, "Why wait till you die for your pie in the sky? You can have it right now, with ice cream on top."

    When it came to the worship of Mammon, Rev. Ike was as transparent as they come. "It is the lack of money that is the root of all evil," he used to say. "The best thing you can do for the poor is not to be one of them."

    From his NY Times obituary:


    “Close your eyes and see green,” Reverend Ike would tell his 5,000 parishioners from a red-carpeted stage at the former Loew’s film palace on 175th Street in Washington Heights, the headquarters of his United Church Science of Living Institute. “Money up to your armpits, a roomful of money and there you are, just tossing around in it like a swimming pool.” ...

    In return for spiritual inspiration, he requested cash donations from his parishioners, from his television and radio audiences, and from the recipients of his extensive mailings — preferably in paper currency, not coins. (“Change makes your minister nervous in the service,” he would tell his congregation.)

    He would also, in return, mail his contributors a prayer cloth....

    [T]he money flooded in, making him a multimillionaire and enabling him to flaunt the power of his creed with a show of sumptuous clothes, ostentatious jewelry, luxurious residences and exotic automobiles. “My garages runneth over,” he said.
     
  41. @RamonaQ
    I think Obama and his mind melded acolytes take pride in being liberated from the influence of the bureaucratic elite

    I don't think they were too unhappy with the Rhodes profile. It makes them look clever and everyone else look like a chump. Obama's big foreign policy interview with Goldberg was exactly the same. I think they want to be remembered as the visionary admin that cut through the Blob and got stuff done

    Replies: @Alice

    Yeah I’m with RamonaQ and Jim Don Bob. I don’t see the Goldberg piece as obtuse. The Goldberg piece was supposed to be flattering, that’s why Obama gave him access. Obama was bragging at how he’d thrown off convention! It was Goldberg that was smart enough to make it read as idiotically as it truly is, like a man flaunting driving down the wrong side of the street because he’d thrown off convention!

    The Samuels piece was just another brag by the same idiots, who are so sure of their power that they like to humiliate their acolytes. Even now with Syria destroyed, hundreds of thousands dead, hey, they think Having No Plan other than to Buy Off folks, as if they were some union thug in Chicago, worked.

    Samuels apparently enjoyed humiliating Goldberg for personal reasons, and maybe he hated how the Goldberg piece made the Obama administration looks like idiots of the highest order.

    But still, neither Obama or Rhodes appears to have noticed. All the more clear how empty they are.

    I’m with Wretchard on this. https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2016/05/06/the-men-who-would-be-king/

  42. @Former Darfur
    @Jack D

    I'm of the belief, unpopular though it may be, that Obama's actual IQ is probably in the 105-110 region, meaning that while he's a lot smarter than the average black, he's not in the top 1% either. He's probably at the bottom of the top half of the "talented tenth" or just a little higher.

    Sowell and Williams are both darker than Obama and they are probably in the 120-130 range from what I can ascertain, perhaps a trifle lower. Either is certainly smarter than Obama. I'm guessing Quincy Jones is in that range too.

    A black in the 120-130 range is like a white in the 150+ region: statistically very rare but they certainly exist. Johnny von Neumann ( conceding him honorary White status since he was part Ashkenazi) and Revilo Oliver were probably up there. Famously, Feynman (who was functionally von Neumann's full peer) measured out considerably lower.

    Replies: @RamonaQ, @Anonymous, @e, @Boomstick, @Anonymous

    Where do you get that John von Neumann was only part Ashkenazi? Perhaps you’ve been confused somehow by his deathbed conversion to Catholicism, but his ethnic background was entirely Ashkenazi.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    Probably because of "von Neumann" I was misguided. Okay, but even so: Ashkenazim are on average smarter than whites, but the deviation is narrower, i.e., they have fewer outliers on either side of the peak, so this may well be even more impressive.

    Replies: @Yngvar

  43. @Cwhatfuture
    @Winthorp

    Obama does not like sharing credit with anyone. Even for this. This won't end well for Rhodes.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Winthorp

    This won’t end well for Rhodes.

    Only five more months left before the elections. Obama will let it slide and not let the guillotine drop on Rhodes. At least, that would be Rhodes’ calculation.

    And then on to the next administration at a higher level, or a private sector job to try and catch up to his brother’s income level.

  44. @Former Darfur
    @Jack D

    I'm of the belief, unpopular though it may be, that Obama's actual IQ is probably in the 105-110 region, meaning that while he's a lot smarter than the average black, he's not in the top 1% either. He's probably at the bottom of the top half of the "talented tenth" or just a little higher.

    Sowell and Williams are both darker than Obama and they are probably in the 120-130 range from what I can ascertain, perhaps a trifle lower. Either is certainly smarter than Obama. I'm guessing Quincy Jones is in that range too.

    A black in the 120-130 range is like a white in the 150+ region: statistically very rare but they certainly exist. Johnny von Neumann ( conceding him honorary White status since he was part Ashkenazi) and Revilo Oliver were probably up there. Famously, Feynman (who was functionally von Neumann's full peer) measured out considerably lower.

    Replies: @RamonaQ, @Anonymous, @e, @Boomstick, @Anonymous

    Nope. He is verbally fluent and no 100-105 IQ produces that fluency.

    I’d say he’s somewhere between 130-135 or so.

    • Replies: @Veracitor
    @e

    Huh?

    Muhammad Ali!

    (I don't think Obama is stupid, but sometimes, as Steve has remarked in the past, you see verbal talent without a lot of g.)

    Replies: @I, Libertine

    , @e
    @e

    He can speak extemporaneously on a variety of topics, using a variety of sentence structures with a sophisticated vocabulary. You didn't get that with Ali, who could rhyme, for God's sakes. Kids can rhyme. In interviews, he demonstrates an ability to use rhetorical devices such as parallel structure. Ali's sentences were predictable: subject, verb, direct object or phrase. You likely never heard him begin a sentence with a participial phrase.

  45. @Big Bill
    @Anon

    The nukes will go off somewhere. Likely within 25 years. No effective weapon has ever been banned. Deal with it.

    The American people have neither the wealth nor the interest to police the world's crazies for eternity, just the intestinal fortitude (I pray) to nuke 'em 'til they glow if they go all stupid on us.

    And Persians aren't that stupid. All they have is lots and lots of desert and oil ... and a several thousand year old culture sustained in a handful of pismire cities they are loath to see erased.

    Replies: @Anon

    Liberals want to ban guns in case evil people get hold of them. Yet they’re okay with giving nuclear weapons to evil people.

    This is why liberals are insane.

  46. @Cwhatfuture
    @Winthorp

    Obama does not like sharing credit with anyone. Even for this. This won't end well for Rhodes.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Winthorp

    I’m inclined to see this as Coen brothers style shenanigans. Rhodes and Obama are portrayed as mind-melded, in constant contact – as fraternal co-writers. Rhodes wants notoriety, Obama wants both credit and the maintenance of presidential distance. So Rhodes gets billed as director, Obama as producer. That’s what this story accomplishes.

    • Replies: @Winthorp
    @Winthorp

    What it also accomplishes from the standpoint of Rhodes and Obama is to let them boast of their cunning while still letting them uphold their self-image as believers in the ideal of rational political discussion. They wanted to hash this out like adults, they really did, but it's come to this. So letting out this story of incipient Orwellianism is like a Habermasian plea for change. The buck never stops here.

    , @Connecticut Famer
    @Winthorp

    Come to think of it, this would indeed be a perfect Coen Brothers vehicle.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @cwhatfuture
    @Winthorp

    The mind meld quote! Rhodes does not know where he ends and the President begins. I think that would be two lips on the one side and a rear end on the other. Problem Solved.

  47. @Former Darfur
    @Jack D

    I'm of the belief, unpopular though it may be, that Obama's actual IQ is probably in the 105-110 region, meaning that while he's a lot smarter than the average black, he's not in the top 1% either. He's probably at the bottom of the top half of the "talented tenth" or just a little higher.

    Sowell and Williams are both darker than Obama and they are probably in the 120-130 range from what I can ascertain, perhaps a trifle lower. Either is certainly smarter than Obama. I'm guessing Quincy Jones is in that range too.

    A black in the 120-130 range is like a white in the 150+ region: statistically very rare but they certainly exist. Johnny von Neumann ( conceding him honorary White status since he was part Ashkenazi) and Revilo Oliver were probably up there. Famously, Feynman (who was functionally von Neumann's full peer) measured out considerably lower.

    Replies: @RamonaQ, @Anonymous, @e, @Boomstick, @Anonymous

    I’d guess Obama is in the 120-130ish range, probably with a strong gap between quantitative and verbal. You can do some reverse engineering from his initial choice of college. Occidental is a good school, but he doesn’t strike me as the sort who would pass on a AA-assisted admit to HYPS if he had the test scores. Maybe you can make some allowances for late maturation or a dope-addled youth. He seems to have done basically OK at Columbia and has a talent for accurately repeating back/summarizing what people have said. His Harvard Law time is a puzzle, because that’s the only time in his life he’s consistently performed at a high intellectual level. At Chicago he was happy enough to teach but didn’t engage in any of the intellectual give-and-take the school is famous for.

    Steve Hsu has some thoughts on Feynman’s supposedly low IQ. I suspect Feynman liked to play it up as part of this regular-guy schtick.

    “Feynman was universally regarded as one of the fastest thinking and most creative theorists in his generation. Yet it has been reported-including by Feynman himself-that he only obtained a score of 125 on a school IQ test. I suspect that this test emphasized verbal, as opposed to mathematical, ability. Feynman received the highest score in the country by a large margin on the notoriously difficult Putnam mathematics competition exam, although he joined the MIT team on short notice and did not prepare for the test. He also reportedly had the highest scores on record on the math/physics graduate admission exams at Princeton. It seems quite possible to me that Feynman’s cognitive abilities might have been a bit lopsided-his vocabulary and verbal ability were well above average, but perhaps not as great as his mathematical abilities. I recall looking at excerpts from a notebook Feynman kept while an undergraduate. While the notes covered very advanced topics for an undergraduate-including general relativity and the Dirac equation-it also contained a number of misspellings and grammatical errors. I doubt Feynman cared very much about such things. ”

    One of the physisists at Los Alamos described Feynman as “a second Dirac, only this time human.”

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Boomstick


    Feynman received the highest score in the country by a large margin on the notoriously difficult Putnam mathematics competition exam, although he joined the MIT team on short notice and did not prepare for the test.
     
    One of my uncles got the highest score in Washington state on a standardized math exam when he was in high school, and went on to become a very successful engineer who leads his field in acoustics (despite having a tin ear), but when it comes to culture and verbal logic it's almost embarrassing when he opens his mouth. Still, he's a very decent person with good instincts.

    A lot of guys who are very good at math and science are deficient in cultural studies, and that's just plain obvious. All the more reason to offer them simple, coherent courses in humanities that they can understand despite their inability to detect nuance. In other words, we need more boys' schools.

    Replies: @whorefinder

  48. @Glossy
    @gruff

    The strains that run through the alt-right—that wrap together the vicious misogyny and plaintive victimhood of GamerGate with Prussia-venerating neo-reactionaries—are in their essence not matters of substance but of style.

    Not true. There's lots of substance, all the science behind HBD for example. There's social conservatism, nationalism, ethno-centrism. All of these things are related and most of the people who talk about them take them seriously. So the article is pretty clueless.

    Replies: @gruff, @guest

    Yes but it’s the beginning of a long summer of this sort of thing.

  49. Bill Ayers, whatever else his faults (and they are legion) is a pretty darn good writer.

    The incumbent President, while he can read off a teleprompter like nobody’s business, can’t write for shit.

  50. @Winthorp
    @Cwhatfuture

    I'm inclined to see this as Coen brothers style shenanigans. Rhodes and Obama are portrayed as mind-melded, in constant contact - as fraternal co-writers. Rhodes wants notoriety, Obama wants both credit and the maintenance of presidential distance. So Rhodes gets billed as director, Obama as producer. That's what this story accomplishes.

    Replies: @Winthorp, @Connecticut Famer, @cwhatfuture

    What it also accomplishes from the standpoint of Rhodes and Obama is to let them boast of their cunning while still letting them uphold their self-image as believers in the ideal of rational political discussion. They wanted to hash this out like adults, they really did, but it’s come to this. So letting out this story of incipient Orwellianism is like a Habermasian plea for change. The buck never stops here.

  51. @e
    @Former Darfur

    Nope. He is verbally fluent and no 100-105 IQ produces that fluency.

    I'd say he's somewhere between 130-135 or so.

    Replies: @Veracitor, @e

    Huh?

    Muhammad Ali!

    (I don’t think Obama is stupid, but sometimes, as Steve has remarked in the past, you see verbal talent without a lot of g.)

    • Replies: @I, Libertine
    @Veracitor

    And man, did he have verbal talent! And man, did he lack g!

    Often forgotten in remembrance of the Ali story is that he was safe from the draft until '68 or so, when, because of an ever-increasing need for involuntary recruitment, the Pentagon drastically reduced the minimum score required on the Army's GT test. When, a couple of years earlier, it was announced that he had flunked it, a newspaper published the test. It was cake.

    So I don't accept seeming sharpness during an interview or an ad lib speech as persuasive evidence of high IQ. Besides, BHO sounds articulate to me only when reading Ben Rhodes words from a teleprompter. He's good at that. Pull up an instance of him making it up as he goes along. His speech is full of fits and starts, uhs and ahs.

    Don't go by his having been editor of the Harvard Law Review. They don't give that post to the student with the highest grades. It's a beauty contest.

    My guess: 113-118.

  52. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Fergusonization

    Blacken the suburbs to whiten the cities.

  53. OT, but pretty funny:

    Antonio Cromartie is going to be a father again, of twins this time, after having a vasectomy.

    I think we might need to revise the Cromartie index. Cromarties’ spermatazoa may be pretty powerful and athletic, but there’s something about this that makes me wonder whether the guy actually fathered all the children he’s paying for.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Bill P


    Cromarties’ spermatazoa may be pretty powerful and athletic, but there’s something about this that makes me wonder whether the guy actually fathered all the children he’s paying for.
     
    There's a reason Maury Povich is so well known in the ghetto.

    He delivers Christmas gifts to black men every day.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  54. @Steve Sailer
    @Former Darfur

    Trump had a NYC concealed carry permit, at least he did back around 2000, along with Robert De Niro, William F. Buckley, and Buddy Hackett.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Reg Cæsar, @Dr. X, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Buddy Hackett, now we’re talking. The only name that I could think of upon reading the name Buddy Hackett was comedian, Pat Cooper. Sure enough, I just checked and Pat Cooper has a New York City concealed carry permit, which is kind of scary.

  55. An interesting question is whether Obama and Rhodes, who are both good writers…

    Whoa!! Whoa!! Hold on there, buckshot!!!

    Obama is not a good writer!!! My overuse of exclamation points notwithstanding!!!!!

  56. @Boomstick
    @Former Darfur

    I'd guess Obama is in the 120-130ish range, probably with a strong gap between quantitative and verbal. You can do some reverse engineering from his initial choice of college. Occidental is a good school, but he doesn't strike me as the sort who would pass on a AA-assisted admit to HYPS if he had the test scores. Maybe you can make some allowances for late maturation or a dope-addled youth. He seems to have done basically OK at Columbia and has a talent for accurately repeating back/summarizing what people have said. His Harvard Law time is a puzzle, because that's the only time in his life he's consistently performed at a high intellectual level. At Chicago he was happy enough to teach but didn't engage in any of the intellectual give-and-take the school is famous for.

    Steve Hsu has some thoughts on Feynman's supposedly low IQ. I suspect Feynman liked to play it up as part of this regular-guy schtick.

    "Feynman was universally regarded as one of the fastest thinking and most creative theorists in his generation. Yet it has been reported-including by Feynman himself-that he only obtained a score of 125 on a school IQ test. I suspect that this test emphasized verbal, as opposed to mathematical, ability. Feynman received the highest score in the country by a large margin on the notoriously difficult Putnam mathematics competition exam, although he joined the MIT team on short notice and did not prepare for the test. He also reportedly had the highest scores on record on the math/physics graduate admission exams at Princeton. It seems quite possible to me that Feynman's cognitive abilities might have been a bit lopsided-his vocabulary and verbal ability were well above average, but perhaps not as great as his mathematical abilities. I recall looking at excerpts from a notebook Feynman kept while an undergraduate. While the notes covered very advanced topics for an undergraduate-including general relativity and the Dirac equation-it also contained a number of misspellings and grammatical errors. I doubt Feynman cared very much about such things. "

    One of the physisists at Los Alamos described Feynman as "a second Dirac, only this time human."

    Replies: @Bill P

    Feynman received the highest score in the country by a large margin on the notoriously difficult Putnam mathematics competition exam, although he joined the MIT team on short notice and did not prepare for the test.

    One of my uncles got the highest score in Washington state on a standardized math exam when he was in high school, and went on to become a very successful engineer who leads his field in acoustics (despite having a tin ear), but when it comes to culture and verbal logic it’s almost embarrassing when he opens his mouth. Still, he’s a very decent person with good instincts.

    A lot of guys who are very good at math and science are deficient in cultural studies, and that’s just plain obvious. All the more reason to offer them simple, coherent courses in humanities that they can understand despite their inability to detect nuance. In other words, we need more boys’ schools.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Bill P

    One study I read about years ago--so take it with a pound of salt---had young jerk doctors practice writing short stories/fiction daily---I think one full story a week was due by the study.

    Punchline: The doctor's empathy and "bedside" manner improved.

    The conclusion was that fiction writing forced the arrogant and/or autistic knaves to get inside the heads of others and sympathize with their characters in order to write successfully. This caused the MD's to get out of their own head with patients and start to think about how they felt, which made the doctors realize they were probably scared and wanted to be treated nicely.

    Reminds me how so many great fiction writers today (such as Tom Wolfe) are usually non-lefties who get how non-lefties feel but are able to explore how lefties think and feel. In sharp contrast to many hack lefty writers, who caricatures of any non-lefty are so screamingly bad they are almost as two-dimensional than the page they are written on. Vox Day has pointed out that lefty sci-fi writers have ruined the genre because their political mindset so dominates them that they are unable to sympathize with non-lefty characters, and so they ignore them or cast them as the villain with no soul. This makes most modern left sci-fi novels nothing more than after school specials with lasers and really bad sex scenes (usually with a Strong-Independent-Red-Headed-Tough Grrrl or, these days, a "person of indeterminate sexuality".)

    Normally, such bad writing would be shunted away, corrected, or discouraged, as the doctor's creative writing teachers probably did to their early attempts. But creative writing/English programs in college---and the big publishing houses---have all been taken over by strident lefties, for whom Politics Trump Talent. These bad novels were published despite losing money (with guys like Andrew Klavan and Wolfe paying the bills with non-lefty novels). Like Soviet-Syle, state "approved" literature, they have no value as writing (as they are crap), but serve a political purpose of indoctrination and ugliness. The internet is really leveling the houses' advantage, however.

  57. e says:
    @e
    @Former Darfur

    Nope. He is verbally fluent and no 100-105 IQ produces that fluency.

    I'd say he's somewhere between 130-135 or so.

    Replies: @Veracitor, @e

    He can speak extemporaneously on a variety of topics, using a variety of sentence structures with a sophisticated vocabulary. You didn’t get that with Ali, who could rhyme, for God’s sakes. Kids can rhyme. In interviews, he demonstrates an ability to use rhetorical devices such as parallel structure. Ali’s sentences were predictable: subject, verb, direct object or phrase. You likely never heard him begin a sentence with a participial phrase.

  58. @Bill P
    OT, but pretty funny:

    Antonio Cromartie is going to be a father again, of twins this time, after having a vasectomy.

    I think we might need to revise the Cromartie index. Cromarties' spermatazoa may be pretty powerful and athletic, but there's something about this that makes me wonder whether the guy actually fathered all the children he's paying for.

    Replies: @whorefinder

    Cromarties’ spermatazoa may be pretty powerful and athletic, but there’s something about this that makes me wonder whether the guy actually fathered all the children he’s paying for.

    There’s a reason Maury Povich is so well known in the ghetto.

    He delivers Christmas gifts to black men every day.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @whorefinder

    "There’s a reason Maury Povich is so well known in the ghetto.

    He delivers Christmas gifts to black men every day."

    A long time ago Maury Povich used to be a respectable show, they would have bald children with cancer on the show, but that was not getting high ratings.

    His ratings did not skyrocket until they decided to become trashy like Jerry Springer and court the vibrant 3rd World demographics & the White trash population that is addicted to meth & heroin.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Reg Cæsar

  59. @Glossy
    @gruff

    The strains that run through the alt-right—that wrap together the vicious misogyny and plaintive victimhood of GamerGate with Prussia-venerating neo-reactionaries—are in their essence not matters of substance but of style.

    Not true. There's lots of substance, all the science behind HBD for example. There's social conservatism, nationalism, ethno-centrism. All of these things are related and most of the people who talk about them take them seriously. So the article is pretty clueless.

    Replies: @gruff, @guest

    Your substance doesn’t count…because. Remember Richard Hofstadter’s “paranoid style” and anti-intellectualism in America? Basically, since the ruling intellectuals were leftists if you weren’t a leftist you were an anti-intellectual. Or if you didn’t buy the mainstream line on this or that, you were paranoid. Unless you were part of the pet opposition. They were big on diagnosing everyone who made a show of not being with the program as crazy back then.

    The thing with the alt-right is that it is a show, because all the Big names have to promote themselves or be promoted to get noticed. They can’t get a nice teaching sinecure and pump out books on the university press, can they? They can’t get access to the national media, except to be an object of fun. So outsiders assume they’re not really serious. Or that, since Everyone Who Matters believes the opposite the alt-right must have nothing but bluster to back themselves up.

    It’s not as if climate scientists, for instance, or anti-racist anthropologists and psychologists would sit on evidence, or anything. The scientific community, the free market of ideas. These things work! They must work, and can’t be wrong. We spent all this money on them, see. Anyone who disagrees must be a P.T. Barnum.

  60. @Bill P
    @Boomstick


    Feynman received the highest score in the country by a large margin on the notoriously difficult Putnam mathematics competition exam, although he joined the MIT team on short notice and did not prepare for the test.
     
    One of my uncles got the highest score in Washington state on a standardized math exam when he was in high school, and went on to become a very successful engineer who leads his field in acoustics (despite having a tin ear), but when it comes to culture and verbal logic it's almost embarrassing when he opens his mouth. Still, he's a very decent person with good instincts.

    A lot of guys who are very good at math and science are deficient in cultural studies, and that's just plain obvious. All the more reason to offer them simple, coherent courses in humanities that they can understand despite their inability to detect nuance. In other words, we need more boys' schools.

    Replies: @whorefinder

    One study I read about years ago–so take it with a pound of salt—had young jerk doctors practice writing short stories/fiction daily—I think one full story a week was due by the study.

    Punchline: The doctor’s empathy and “bedside” manner improved.

    The conclusion was that fiction writing forced the arrogant and/or autistic knaves to get inside the heads of others and sympathize with their characters in order to write successfully. This caused the MD’s to get out of their own head with patients and start to think about how they felt, which made the doctors realize they were probably scared and wanted to be treated nicely.

    Reminds me how so many great fiction writers today (such as Tom Wolfe) are usually non-lefties who get how non-lefties feel but are able to explore how lefties think and feel. In sharp contrast to many hack lefty writers, who caricatures of any non-lefty are so screamingly bad they are almost as two-dimensional than the page they are written on. Vox Day has pointed out that lefty sci-fi writers have ruined the genre because their political mindset so dominates them that they are unable to sympathize with non-lefty characters, and so they ignore them or cast them as the villain with no soul. This makes most modern left sci-fi novels nothing more than after school specials with lasers and really bad sex scenes (usually with a Strong-Independent-Red-Headed-Tough Grrrl or, these days, a “person of indeterminate sexuality”.)

    Normally, such bad writing would be shunted away, corrected, or discouraged, as the doctor’s creative writing teachers probably did to their early attempts. But creative writing/English programs in college—and the big publishing houses—have all been taken over by strident lefties, for whom Politics Trump Talent. These bad novels were published despite losing money (with guys like Andrew Klavan and Wolfe paying the bills with non-lefty novels). Like Soviet-Syle, state “approved” literature, they have no value as writing (as they are crap), but serve a political purpose of indoctrination and ugliness. The internet is really leveling the houses’ advantage, however.

  61. A lot of guys who are very good at math and science are deficient in cultural studies, and that’s just plain obvious.

    To themselves as well as to others. A tech professor at Macalester College wrote recently (NYT, WSJ, or somewhere similar) that the problem is not that techies aren’t interested in culture– his students gladly signed up for humanities courses — it’s that the culture buffs aren’t interested in technical subjects.

  62. @Steve Sailer
    @Former Darfur

    Trump had a NYC concealed carry permit, at least he did back around 2000, along with Robert De Niro, William F. Buckley, and Buddy Hackett.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Reg Cæsar, @Dr. X, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Trump had a NYC concealed carry permit, at least he did back around 2000, along with Robert De Niro, William F. Buckley, and Buddy Hackett.

    As did Laurence Rockefeller, who told the police he needed it because he carried large sums of money. Never mind that his family was notorious for not carrying any size sum of money, to dissuade beggars.

    It was kind of like the staged adultery common before no-fault divorce.

    • Replies: @EriK
    @Reg Cæsar


    Never mind that his family was notorious for not carrying any size sum of money, to dissuade beggars.
     
    John D used to hand out dimes to kids. That must be like feeding strays, so those that came after had to put a stop to it.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Reg Cæsar

    Oh yeah, that's right. In fact the staged adultery thing was a major plot point of the Astaire-Rogers 1934 dancing comedy "The Gay Divorcee".

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Reg Cæsar

    A dishonest Rockefeller? No one would have thought that!

    But I must salute Nelson for flying the American Eagle in the general direction of the hydrophobic media covering him (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller#Vice_Presidency_1974.E2.80.931977)

  63. @Jack D
    Samuels gets it and yet he doesn't. An Obama could NOT have come from the American Black community (even the light skinned talented 10th like the Rev. Wright) for several reasons:

    1. An almost white (Benjamin Jealous) type octoroon would not have been "black enough" for the Dems - he wouldn't have made white liberals feel good enough about themselves.

    2. A blacker figure would not have had the intellectual HP. The # of slave descended American blacks who are as dark as Obama with Obama's brains are vanishingly small. As the product of a white woman and a top 1% Kenyan, Obama came out OK in the smarts dept. and his coal black father made him darker than you might expect from a mulatto.

    3. Obama had the advantage of being raised in a white family. Even though it was pretty dysfunctional for a white family, it was more functional than 99% of American black families. He also learned how to talk to white people.

    So it is not just some coincidence that the 1st black President has no American black slave blood and was raised by a white mother. If you look at the blacks who are doing well at places like Harvard, most of them fit one of those two categories or both (again unless they are Benjamin Jealous or Rachel Dolezal type "blacks" who would not be black at all but for AA).

    Replies: @Former Darfur, @Triumph104, @Clyde

    3. Obama had the advantage of being raised in a white family. Even though it was pretty dysfunctional for a white family, it was more functional than 99% of American black families. He also learned how to talk to white people.

    Obama’s family was very functional and connected as far as being able to get him into Hawaii’s elite Punahou School where Obama was socialized to be presentable to white culture. To be able to talk to whites and all non-blacks. There were no blacks in Hawaaii, he had zero black upbringing, so he had to marry into it to succeed in Chicago politics. He was so dim about this that an old black lady gave him a short lecture that he had to belong to a church to succeed. This came as a shock to the atheist smart Alec Obama.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Clyde

    For the Left, one of the best ways to take one for the team is to marry a black woman. Yeah, not Lena Horne, Lenny Bruce who nobody actually listens to because he isn't that funny. Though he did say, "Liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them.”

    , @Nico
    @Clyde


    Obama’s family was very functional and connected as far as being able to get him into Hawaii’s elite Punahou School where Obama was socialized to be presentable to white culture.
     
    Their connections made up for the inherent dysfunction. I would not say a nuclear family by a woman and two men hailing nearly tripodal points on the globe (culturally AND geographically) in which the later education of the children is delegated is particularly functional. You could certainly do worse, but it's not a childhood I would wish upon anyone.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  64. @whorefinder
    @Bill P


    Cromarties’ spermatazoa may be pretty powerful and athletic, but there’s something about this that makes me wonder whether the guy actually fathered all the children he’s paying for.
     
    There's a reason Maury Povich is so well known in the ghetto.

    He delivers Christmas gifts to black men every day.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “There’s a reason Maury Povich is so well known in the ghetto.

    He delivers Christmas gifts to black men every day.”

    A long time ago Maury Povich used to be a respectable show, they would have bald children with cancer on the show, but that was not getting high ratings.

    His ratings did not skyrocket until they decided to become trashy like Jerry Springer and court the vibrant 3rd World demographics & the White trash population that is addicted to meth & heroin.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Jefferson

    Reminds me of how Maury Povich is married to Connie Chung.

    Does anyone remember the bizarre career of Connie Chung? Long time reporter, suddenly got very public promotion to co-anchoring the CBS Evening News with Rather, then totally flamed out? She tried a news magazine show that flopped, then went to MSNBC and flopped, and now has disappeared.

    Once upon a time, that such a "respected" reporter would be literally in bed with a sleazy talk show host would have seemed weird to me. But since the mask of the "serious news" and the media has been ripped off for me, I see it as quite fitting that an obvious double-affirmative action case (female and Asian!) would end up with such trash. She failed upwards, only when faced with declining ratings and her poor reporting, no one could deny she was promoted well beyond her abilities for P.C.'s sake. If white gentile male, she would have been doing local political news, wearing a bad toupee, and cheating on his wife with the newest weather girl. She and Maury were really meant for each other.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jefferson


    A long time ago Maury Povich used to be a respectable show...
     
    His father Shirley was even more respectable:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Povich#/media/File:Shirley_Povich_1955.JPG

    Replies: @tbraton

  65. @Former Darfur
    @Jack D

    I'm of the belief, unpopular though it may be, that Obama's actual IQ is probably in the 105-110 region, meaning that while he's a lot smarter than the average black, he's not in the top 1% either. He's probably at the bottom of the top half of the "talented tenth" or just a little higher.

    Sowell and Williams are both darker than Obama and they are probably in the 120-130 range from what I can ascertain, perhaps a trifle lower. Either is certainly smarter than Obama. I'm guessing Quincy Jones is in that range too.

    A black in the 120-130 range is like a white in the 150+ region: statistically very rare but they certainly exist. Johnny von Neumann ( conceding him honorary White status since he was part Ashkenazi) and Revilo Oliver were probably up there. Famously, Feynman (who was functionally von Neumann's full peer) measured out considerably lower.

    Replies: @RamonaQ, @Anonymous, @e, @Boomstick, @Anonymous

    Great example of political incorrectness makes you stupid.

    Obama graduated magna from Harvard law. Grading is blind in law school. He finished in the top 15% among a field of competition like Harvard law. It’s quite possible he has an IQ of over 140. Certainly 130+.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Anonymous

    One of Steve's past articles speculates Obama's IQ is around 125, closer to Gerald Ford. It will be interesting to see if he speculates as to Trump's IQ in a future article.

    , @peterike
    @Anonymous


    Grading is blind in law school.

     

    I hear this bandied about often, and I find it utterly ridiculous. It couldn't possibly be easier to circumvent. When writing anything, just toss in a reference to yourself. Or, in the case of minorities, say "as a black woman..." or something like that. Obama could very easily have signaled that his paper was his paper. Hell, even if he didn't, you could probably tell from the contents.

    To say nothing of awarding extra points to pet students for "class participation" and so on, because after the "blind" grading the professors get back the list of names attached to the grades.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @cwhatfuture

    , @Boomstick
    @Anonymous

    As I recall the standards of the time for "Magna" were top 30% of the class.

    His HLS grades are puzzling because that's the only time in his life when he's performed at a consistently high intellectual level. Perhaps the structure of school forced him out of a low-energy lifestyle.

    Even while at HLS his published writing was unimpressive.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/08/early_obama_letter_confirms_inability_to_write.html

  66. @Jefferson
    @whorefinder

    "There’s a reason Maury Povich is so well known in the ghetto.

    He delivers Christmas gifts to black men every day."

    A long time ago Maury Povich used to be a respectable show, they would have bald children with cancer on the show, but that was not getting high ratings.

    His ratings did not skyrocket until they decided to become trashy like Jerry Springer and court the vibrant 3rd World demographics & the White trash population that is addicted to meth & heroin.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Reg Cæsar

    Reminds me of how Maury Povich is married to Connie Chung.

    Does anyone remember the bizarre career of Connie Chung? Long time reporter, suddenly got very public promotion to co-anchoring the CBS Evening News with Rather, then totally flamed out? She tried a news magazine show that flopped, then went to MSNBC and flopped, and now has disappeared.

    Once upon a time, that such a “respected” reporter would be literally in bed with a sleazy talk show host would have seemed weird to me. But since the mask of the “serious news” and the media has been ripped off for me, I see it as quite fitting that an obvious double-affirmative action case (female and Asian!) would end up with such trash. She failed upwards, only when faced with declining ratings and her poor reporting, no one could deny she was promoted well beyond her abilities for P.C.’s sake. If white gentile male, she would have been doing local political news, wearing a bad toupee, and cheating on his wife with the newest weather girl. She and Maury were really meant for each other.

  67. @Clyde
    @Jack D


    3. Obama had the advantage of being raised in a white family. Even though it was pretty dysfunctional for a white family, it was more functional than 99% of American black families. He also learned how to talk to white people.
     
    Obama's family was very functional and connected as far as being able to get him into Hawaii's elite Punahou School where Obama was socialized to be presentable to white culture. To be able to talk to whites and all non-blacks. There were no blacks in Hawaaii, he had zero black upbringing, so he had to marry into it to succeed in Chicago politics. He was so dim about this that an old black lady gave him a short lecture that he had to belong to a church to succeed. This came as a shock to the atheist smart Alec Obama.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Nico

    For the Left, one of the best ways to take one for the team is to marry a black woman. Yeah, not Lena Horne, Lenny Bruce who nobody actually listens to because he isn’t that funny. Though he did say, “Liberals can understand everything but people who don’t understand them.”

  68. “For the Left, one of the best ways to take one for the team is to marry a black woman. Yeah, not Lena Horne,”

    Interesting fact about barely “Black” Lena Horne is when she first broke into Hollywood, people there encouraged her to pass herself off as either Latina or Italian in order to get more film roles, but she was so proud to be “Black” that she didn’t want to pass. This definitely hurt her film career because this was still the era of Jim Crow.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jefferson

    Yeah, but didn't she also marry a white man? Pianist and orchestra leader Lenny Hayton?

    Horne was a special case. Keep in mind because of her looks and the fact that she was signed to MGM, there was an unofficial policy where oftentimes in the 30s and 40s certain extended scenes showing blacks with tons of dialogue (deemed to be irrelevant or unnecessary) would be edited out for the theaters in southern states. Horne was also fortunate to have come a bit after Billie Holiday (who certainly couldn't pass) and was considered far more prettier in the looks department. She also didn't display obvious mannerisms of other blacks at the time (e.g. Ebonics dialect) and working at MGM helped to give her an aura of class, grace, and style. And again, the fact that she married white didn't hurt her career either. Probably opened some doors along the way, career wise.

    In other words, oftentimes say a Lena Horne would do a solo song in an MGM musical. For states south of Mason Dixon, they'd simply edit out her scene so as not to show offensive material to southern movie patrons. A film like Gone With the Wind was perfectly acceptable and showing modern day blacks as maids, butlers, train porters, etc was also fine but showing them doing actual things equal to whites wasn't exactly kosher for a lot of those states at the time.

    I think that one of Lena Horne's daughters married either Sydney Lumet or one of his kids, by the way.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  69. Lot says:
    @Anon
    So Rhodes, a half-Jewish, half-Anglo-Saxon guy, is trying his utmost to make Iran, a country hostile to both Israel and the United States, a nuclear power? What the heck does he think he's going to get in return? Does he think that murderous Islamic mullahs are suddenly going to adopt him and pat him on the head like he's their nice little pet doggie?

    There's a special place in hell for guys who try to screw over their country by birth and their country by blood. The guy is nothing but an opportunistic, in-house traitor. The weasel needs to be arrested, put on trial, and locked up.

    Doesn't it even occur to him that if Iran uses nuclear weapons against real, live people, it's his fault for arming fanatical nutjobs? He shows not the least sign of any awareness that someone might want to use those weapons.

    He thinks like a retarded child. He's a pathetic toady whose only goal in life is to find someone to suck up to.

    Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Lot, @Discordiax

    As Big Bill also says, there is no real way to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons using sanctions. Obama ending this policy that didn’t work is no danger to the USA or Israel.

    Israel has its own nukes, and the most likely target for an Iranian nuke is Saudi Arabia, the second most is Afghanistan. Israel’s problem with Iran is not nukes, but that it funds anti-Israel terrorist groups in Lebanon and Syria. But it is a petty problem that Israel is handling just fine. I am pro-Israel, but that means strong weapon export support, vetoing anti-Israel policies in the United Nations, and supporting Israel having a free hand in dealing with areas annexed in 1967 as well as in the failed state of Lebanon. It does not mean picking a fight with large country like Iran over its minor financial support for Hezbollah.

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Lot

    >>> It does not mean picking a fight with large country like Iran over its minor financial support for Hezbollah


    You can still buy Iranian pistachios at the main wholesale street market in Jerusalem.


    Israel Air Force destroys 6-7 weapons convoys going to Hezbollah/year. Shayetet 13 stops 1-2 seaborn weapons transits/year. Iran does nothing about it except talk shit.

  70. Lot says:

    I think the whole AIPAC opposition to the Iran deal was more of a show of force and team-building exercise than actual opposition to the deal.

    When is that last time something Israel really, really, really did not like passed Congress? No examples I can think of in my lifetime. The Israel Lobby lacks the ability to get Congress to do what it affirmatively wants, but is one of a dozen or so Powerful Lobbys in Good Standing With the Congressional GOP that can veto anything it does not like from passing.

  71. Nico says:
    @Clyde
    @Jack D


    3. Obama had the advantage of being raised in a white family. Even though it was pretty dysfunctional for a white family, it was more functional than 99% of American black families. He also learned how to talk to white people.
     
    Obama's family was very functional and connected as far as being able to get him into Hawaii's elite Punahou School where Obama was socialized to be presentable to white culture. To be able to talk to whites and all non-blacks. There were no blacks in Hawaaii, he had zero black upbringing, so he had to marry into it to succeed in Chicago politics. He was so dim about this that an old black lady gave him a short lecture that he had to belong to a church to succeed. This came as a shock to the atheist smart Alec Obama.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @Nico

    Obama’s family was very functional and connected as far as being able to get him into Hawaii’s elite Punahou School where Obama was socialized to be presentable to white culture.

    Their connections made up for the inherent dysfunction. I would not say a nuclear family by a woman and two men hailing nearly tripodal points on the globe (culturally AND geographically) in which the later education of the children is delegated is particularly functional. You could certainly do worse, but it’s not a childhood I would wish upon anyone.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Nico

    Obama's American extended family tended to be smart and helpful. His maternal grandfather was a black sheep, but his grandfather's brother, Dr. Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham, was a worthy exemplar of his name. Janny Scott's biography of Obama's mother has a lot of long interviews with Obama's elderly American relatives just before they died, and I found them impressive individuals.

    Also, Obama stepfather's relatives were big shots in Indonesia, and Obama's mother stayed on very good terms with them even after she dumped Lolo. When she left Lolo, she moved her and her daughter into Lolo's mother's compound.

    Obama downplays this aspect of his upbringing for political reasons, but he was always treated as a socially elite individual. He was never very rich, but he was molded to be a diplomat, or something similar in the international relations realm, from early on.

    Replies: @Truth, @Merema

  72. @Nico
    @Clyde


    Obama’s family was very functional and connected as far as being able to get him into Hawaii’s elite Punahou School where Obama was socialized to be presentable to white culture.
     
    Their connections made up for the inherent dysfunction. I would not say a nuclear family by a woman and two men hailing nearly tripodal points on the globe (culturally AND geographically) in which the later education of the children is delegated is particularly functional. You could certainly do worse, but it's not a childhood I would wish upon anyone.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Obama’s American extended family tended to be smart and helpful. His maternal grandfather was a black sheep, but his grandfather’s brother, Dr. Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham, was a worthy exemplar of his name. Janny Scott’s biography of Obama’s mother has a lot of long interviews with Obama’s elderly American relatives just before they died, and I found them impressive individuals.

    Also, Obama stepfather’s relatives were big shots in Indonesia, and Obama’s mother stayed on very good terms with them even after she dumped Lolo. When she left Lolo, she moved her and her daughter into Lolo’s mother’s compound.

    Obama downplays this aspect of his upbringing for political reasons, but he was always treated as a socially elite individual. He was never very rich, but he was molded to be a diplomat, or something similar in the international relations realm, from early on.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Steve Sailer


    He was never very rich, but he was molded to be a diplomat, or something similar in the international relations realm, from early on.

     

    LMFAO!

    "Molded", huh? good choice of words, but from how "early on?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_obWWHl4t8
    , @Merema
    @Steve Sailer

    That's once aspect of third world culture I find endearing-how families deal with divorce. The in-laws see no reason why they can't remain close relatives and maintain a caring relationship with each other even if marriages fail-especially if there are children involved.

    In Africa for example nobody takes marriage seriously the way westerners do- so they don't take divorce seriously.

  73. @Steve Sailer
    @Nico

    Obama's American extended family tended to be smart and helpful. His maternal grandfather was a black sheep, but his grandfather's brother, Dr. Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham, was a worthy exemplar of his name. Janny Scott's biography of Obama's mother has a lot of long interviews with Obama's elderly American relatives just before they died, and I found them impressive individuals.

    Also, Obama stepfather's relatives were big shots in Indonesia, and Obama's mother stayed on very good terms with them even after she dumped Lolo. When she left Lolo, she moved her and her daughter into Lolo's mother's compound.

    Obama downplays this aspect of his upbringing for political reasons, but he was always treated as a socially elite individual. He was never very rich, but he was molded to be a diplomat, or something similar in the international relations realm, from early on.

    Replies: @Truth, @Merema

    He was never very rich, but he was molded to be a diplomat, or something similar in the international relations realm, from early on.

    LMFAO!

    “Molded”, huh? good choice of words, but from how “early on?”

  74. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Trump had a NYC concealed carry permit, at least he did back around 2000, along with Robert De Niro, William F. Buckley, and Buddy Hackett.
     
    As did Laurence Rockefeller, who told the police he needed it because he carried large sums of money. Never mind that his family was notorious for not carrying any size sum of money, to dissuade beggars.

    It was kind of like the staged adultery common before no-fault divorce.

    Replies: @EriK, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Never mind that his family was notorious for not carrying any size sum of money, to dissuade beggars.

    John D used to hand out dimes to kids. That must be like feeding strays, so those that came after had to put a stop to it.

  75. @Steve Sailer
    @Nico

    Obama's American extended family tended to be smart and helpful. His maternal grandfather was a black sheep, but his grandfather's brother, Dr. Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham, was a worthy exemplar of his name. Janny Scott's biography of Obama's mother has a lot of long interviews with Obama's elderly American relatives just before they died, and I found them impressive individuals.

    Also, Obama stepfather's relatives were big shots in Indonesia, and Obama's mother stayed on very good terms with them even after she dumped Lolo. When she left Lolo, she moved her and her daughter into Lolo's mother's compound.

    Obama downplays this aspect of his upbringing for political reasons, but he was always treated as a socially elite individual. He was never very rich, but he was molded to be a diplomat, or something similar in the international relations realm, from early on.

    Replies: @Truth, @Merema

    That’s once aspect of third world culture I find endearing-how families deal with divorce. The in-laws see no reason why they can’t remain close relatives and maintain a caring relationship with each other even if marriages fail-especially if there are children involved.

    In Africa for example nobody takes marriage seriously the way westerners do- so they don’t take divorce seriously.

  76. @Steve Sailer
    @Former Darfur

    Trump had a NYC concealed carry permit, at least he did back around 2000, along with Robert De Niro, William F. Buckley, and Buddy Hackett.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Reg Cæsar, @Dr. X, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    NYC’s gun laws are basically straight out of the Third World. Celebrities, the politically connected, and the rich get a wink and a nod. For everyone else the cops just laugh hysterically and then snicker “Fuggetaboutit.”

    The NYC handgun permit application is more intrusive and onerous than a month of daily rectal exams.

    One solution, of course (again, just like in the Third World) is bribery. The Orthodox Jews recently had a scheme running where they got 150 handgun permits for their fellow “chosen ones” by bribing the cops. The main fixer in the scheme was charging $18,000 per permit, pocketing $12,000 and giving the cops $6,000.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Dr. X

    In shitty 3rd world countries that are neither fully Communist nor capitalist, you can still do things such as open a factory but you have to get not just one permit but a whole bunch of permits to do so (a permit to import the necessary machinery, a permit to build the factory, a permit to connect to the electrical grid), and the permits are not issued routinely - the burden is on you to PROVE that the country really needs another bicycle factory when it already has one. There are so many permits required that you can probably never get them all, so you get as many as you can thru bribery and then when the inspectors come around and ask you about the missing ones, you bribe them some more. Although this is really bad for the economy because it stifles a lot of economic activity, it is really a great system for bureaucrats because there are so many opportunities for graft. Environmentalists and other leftists love it because it allows them to "provide input" and block evil capitalists from ever doing anything.

    In India, they used to call this system the "Permit Raj". America is increasingly becoming a Permit Raj.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @SPMoore8
    @Dr. X

    Not to belabor the obvious, but if you want a handgun in NYC, I would imagine you should just get one. If you ever have to use it -- I lived in NYC for ten years and never got in that type of situation -- then, yes, you may get in trouble for illegal possession but that would be a small price to pay.

    Of course if you are going to be stupid enough to "go clubbing" with a firearm it won't matter if your weapon is legal or if you are a celebrity:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4493887

  77. “An interesting question is whether Obama and Rhodes, who are both good writers, gave Samuels access because they get it that he gets it about Obama. Or were they just clueless too? Did Samuels use his iSteve-level awareness of Obama to play the President?”

    The latter.

  78. @Veracitor
    @e

    Huh?

    Muhammad Ali!

    (I don't think Obama is stupid, but sometimes, as Steve has remarked in the past, you see verbal talent without a lot of g.)

    Replies: @I, Libertine

    And man, did he have verbal talent! And man, did he lack g!

    Often forgotten in remembrance of the Ali story is that he was safe from the draft until ’68 or so, when, because of an ever-increasing need for involuntary recruitment, the Pentagon drastically reduced the minimum score required on the Army’s GT test. When, a couple of years earlier, it was announced that he had flunked it, a newspaper published the test. It was cake.

    So I don’t accept seeming sharpness during an interview or an ad lib speech as persuasive evidence of high IQ. Besides, BHO sounds articulate to me only when reading Ben Rhodes words from a teleprompter. He’s good at that. Pull up an instance of him making it up as he goes along. His speech is full of fits and starts, uhs and ahs.

    Don’t go by his having been editor of the Harvard Law Review. They don’t give that post to the student with the highest grades. It’s a beauty contest.

    My guess: 113-118.

  79. @Triumph104
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I know it sounds scandalous but that is pretty normal for today's successful black pastor. The congregation doesn't care. They want their pastor to have nice things and some will happily give their last nickel. Most think money is a sign of God's favor and if their pastor has money, money will magically show up for them too.

    The worshippers just want to be entertained and show off their illegitimate children. If the pastor does cheat on his wife or get caught with drugs, everyone will shrug and say he is just a man. They love knowing they too can sin with abandon and always be forgiven. Bishop Eddie Long had sex with boys. He not only still has his church, but he has satellite churches in other cities.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Harry Baldwin

    Yes, there are several prominent black pastors who have a svengali like hold over their congregations and may indeed have personal problems etc. But one would think that the congregation would have a big time problem that Rev. Wright was having an affair with a white secretary. That kind of thing generally doesn’t go down too well with the black church ladies. If he was having an affair with another black church lady, that probably would’ve been fine. Indeed most black pastors tend to keep their affairs within the community (e.g. Reality show “LA Preachers” etc,).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    But one would think that the congregation would have a big time problem that Rev. Wright was having an affair with a white secretary. That kind of thing generally doesn’t go down too well with the black church ladies.
     
    Well, it is the United Church of Christ...
  80. @Former Darfur
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    No one supports NYC's gun laws like the majority of people who hold NYC concealed carry permits. That's not to say all do, but it's sufficiently exclusive that those who have gone to that much trouble and expense are aghast that just anyone could be allowed to pack in New York.

    That isn't to say they support gun control elsewhere. Some do , some don't.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Finish the sentence. Hillary has just given Trump an issue in the campaign on which to win big time in various gun-loving states. Unlike some in NYC, the perception is clear that Hillary would indeed implement such draconian gun control measures if elected whereas Trump himself doesn’t appear to be pro-gun control in, say, the way Michael Bloomberg does.

    On this issue, Trump comes across as the more moderate and reasonable candidate.

  81. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Trump had a NYC concealed carry permit, at least he did back around 2000, along with Robert De Niro, William F. Buckley, and Buddy Hackett.
     
    As did Laurence Rockefeller, who told the police he needed it because he carried large sums of money. Never mind that his family was notorious for not carrying any size sum of money, to dissuade beggars.

    It was kind of like the staged adultery common before no-fault divorce.

    Replies: @EriK, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Oh yeah, that’s right. In fact the staged adultery thing was a major plot point of the Astaire-Rogers 1934 dancing comedy “The Gay Divorcee”.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    It was also a major plot point in Evelyn Waugh's A Handful of Dust (1934). Here is a key scene from the 1988 film adaptation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH7qyaKduCQ

  82. @Jefferson
    "For the Left, one of the best ways to take one for the team is to marry a black woman. Yeah, not Lena Horne,"

    Interesting fact about barely "Black" Lena Horne is when she first broke into Hollywood, people there encouraged her to pass herself off as either Latina or Italian in order to get more film roles, but she was so proud to be "Black" that she didn't want to pass. This definitely hurt her film career because this was still the era of Jim Crow.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Yeah, but didn’t she also marry a white man? Pianist and orchestra leader Lenny Hayton?

    Horne was a special case. Keep in mind because of her looks and the fact that she was signed to MGM, there was an unofficial policy where oftentimes in the 30s and 40s certain extended scenes showing blacks with tons of dialogue (deemed to be irrelevant or unnecessary) would be edited out for the theaters in southern states. Horne was also fortunate to have come a bit after Billie Holiday (who certainly couldn’t pass) and was considered far more prettier in the looks department. She also didn’t display obvious mannerisms of other blacks at the time (e.g. Ebonics dialect) and working at MGM helped to give her an aura of class, grace, and style. And again, the fact that she married white didn’t hurt her career either. Probably opened some doors along the way, career wise.

    In other words, oftentimes say a Lena Horne would do a solo song in an MGM musical. For states south of Mason Dixon, they’d simply edit out her scene so as not to show offensive material to southern movie patrons. A film like Gone With the Wind was perfectly acceptable and showing modern day blacks as maids, butlers, train porters, etc was also fine but showing them doing actual things equal to whites wasn’t exactly kosher for a lot of those states at the time.

    I think that one of Lena Horne’s daughters married either Sydney Lumet or one of his kids, by the way.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    P.J. O'Rourke was married to one of Lena Horne's granddaughters for awhile. Jonathan Demme's movie "Rachel Getting Married" starring Anne Hathaway as a disruptive sister was written by her sister. She worked for John McCain.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/10/rachel-getting-married.html

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  83. @Anonymous
    @Former Darfur

    Great example of political incorrectness makes you stupid.

    Obama graduated magna from Harvard law. Grading is blind in law school. He finished in the top 15% among a field of competition like Harvard law. It's quite possible he has an IQ of over 140. Certainly 130+.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @peterike, @Boomstick

    One of Steve’s past articles speculates Obama’s IQ is around 125, closer to Gerald Ford. It will be interesting to see if he speculates as to Trump’s IQ in a future article.

  84. @Dr. X
    @Steve Sailer

    NYC's gun laws are basically straight out of the Third World. Celebrities, the politically connected, and the rich get a wink and a nod. For everyone else the cops just laugh hysterically and then snicker "Fuggetaboutit."

    The NYC handgun permit application is more intrusive and onerous than a month of daily rectal exams.

    One solution, of course (again, just like in the Third World) is bribery. The Orthodox Jews recently had a scheme running where they got 150 handgun permits for their fellow "chosen ones" by bribing the cops. The main fixer in the scheme was charging $18,000 per permit, pocketing $12,000 and giving the cops $6,000.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SPMoore8

    In shitty 3rd world countries that are neither fully Communist nor capitalist, you can still do things such as open a factory but you have to get not just one permit but a whole bunch of permits to do so (a permit to import the necessary machinery, a permit to build the factory, a permit to connect to the electrical grid), and the permits are not issued routinely – the burden is on you to PROVE that the country really needs another bicycle factory when it already has one. There are so many permits required that you can probably never get them all, so you get as many as you can thru bribery and then when the inspectors come around and ask you about the missing ones, you bribe them some more. Although this is really bad for the economy because it stifles a lot of economic activity, it is really a great system for bureaucrats because there are so many opportunities for graft. Environmentalists and other leftists love it because it allows them to “provide input” and block evil capitalists from ever doing anything.

    In India, they used to call this system the “Permit Raj”. America is increasingly becoming a Permit Raj.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Jack D

    It's the same in the US.

    A guy I know here in PA had to get a permit for a billboard from the Township, the State and the Feds,

    Any commercial building has to have all the plumbing inspected before an occupancy permit is issued.
    The local fire inspector helpfully owns a plumbing company, guess who gets as much commercial work as he can handle? etc. etc.

    Google
    "sub-division and land development ordinance"

    And see what you get.

  85. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jefferson

    Yeah, but didn't she also marry a white man? Pianist and orchestra leader Lenny Hayton?

    Horne was a special case. Keep in mind because of her looks and the fact that she was signed to MGM, there was an unofficial policy where oftentimes in the 30s and 40s certain extended scenes showing blacks with tons of dialogue (deemed to be irrelevant or unnecessary) would be edited out for the theaters in southern states. Horne was also fortunate to have come a bit after Billie Holiday (who certainly couldn't pass) and was considered far more prettier in the looks department. She also didn't display obvious mannerisms of other blacks at the time (e.g. Ebonics dialect) and working at MGM helped to give her an aura of class, grace, and style. And again, the fact that she married white didn't hurt her career either. Probably opened some doors along the way, career wise.

    In other words, oftentimes say a Lena Horne would do a solo song in an MGM musical. For states south of Mason Dixon, they'd simply edit out her scene so as not to show offensive material to southern movie patrons. A film like Gone With the Wind was perfectly acceptable and showing modern day blacks as maids, butlers, train porters, etc was also fine but showing them doing actual things equal to whites wasn't exactly kosher for a lot of those states at the time.

    I think that one of Lena Horne's daughters married either Sydney Lumet or one of his kids, by the way.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    P.J. O’Rourke was married to one of Lena Horne’s granddaughters for awhile. Jonathan Demme’s movie “Rachel Getting Married” starring Anne Hathaway as a disruptive sister was written by her sister. She worked for John McCain.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/10/rachel-getting-married.html

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Most interesting. By the time PJ O'Rourke married the granddaugther there probably wasn't a noticeable difference because by that generation the granddaughter didn't have to try to "pass".

    Keeping the same theme, (about Lena Horne) going, on a somewhat related anecdotal note, my mother when she was single was working in local Kaufman's one summer in charge of events and she managed to get pop singer Andy Williams to make an appearance at Kauffman's.

    Andy Williams remarked to my mother "You remind me of two people I know in Hollywood. You resemble them very much."

    "Who are they?" Asked mom.

    "One of them is Natalie Wood. The other is Lena Horne." He then quickly smiled a laughed a bit "Of course, you're a little bit lighter than Lena!"

    He was telling the truth, somewhat about Lena Horne and definitely about Natalie Wood, people were always telling her that. She could've been her stand-in in Hollywood, that's how close she resembled her in the looks department. It's uncanny.

    Lena Horne was also a goodwill ambassador in later yrs for Head Start and often made appearances on Sesame Street and of course Sandford and Son.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  86. @Dr. X
    @Steve Sailer

    NYC's gun laws are basically straight out of the Third World. Celebrities, the politically connected, and the rich get a wink and a nod. For everyone else the cops just laugh hysterically and then snicker "Fuggetaboutit."

    The NYC handgun permit application is more intrusive and onerous than a month of daily rectal exams.

    One solution, of course (again, just like in the Third World) is bribery. The Orthodox Jews recently had a scheme running where they got 150 handgun permits for their fellow "chosen ones" by bribing the cops. The main fixer in the scheme was charging $18,000 per permit, pocketing $12,000 and giving the cops $6,000.

    Replies: @Jack D, @SPMoore8

    Not to belabor the obvious, but if you want a handgun in NYC, I would imagine you should just get one. If you ever have to use it — I lived in NYC for ten years and never got in that type of situation — then, yes, you may get in trouble for illegal possession but that would be a small price to pay.

    Of course if you are going to be stupid enough to “go clubbing” with a firearm it won’t matter if your weapon is legal or if you are a celebrity:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4493887

  87. One thing that’s striking about Obama is just how much he runs against the black stereotype across the board.

    He’s of course far more intellectual than that stereotype, which is a positive. But, on the other hand, he also utterly lacks the positive things in the stereotype. He’s stiff. He’s fundamentally unsociable. He’s humorless. He’s generally a drip. He doesn’t even seem to have any kind of libido. He’s lower energy than Jeb, for Christ’s sake.

    Just about everything about the guy in terms of personality and cognitive traits resembles the white side of his family – a bunch of bright, but awkward bankers/economists etc.

    It’s not surprising that such a nerd would look to his black blood as a source of vitality and interest, and identify as hard as possible with that side.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @candid_observer

    Obama's father OTOH (or at least his supposed father - I'm inclined to think that he really was) was quite the ladies man and in typical African fashioned had baby mamas all over the place. When he married Stanley, he already had a wife and child back in Kenya and he had several more after Stanley plus he was apparently sleeping with enough women at Harvard for the administration to quietly see to it that his visa was not renewed. Obama has a whole bunch of half brothers and sisters, the most fascinating of which is his half Jewish half brother Mark Ndesandjo who is sort of the un-Obama - he lived around the father enough to detest him and never defined himself in terms of having a "black" identity. He also looks a lot like Obama for those who think that Davis was the father.

    http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Mark-Barack-Obama-1-620x433.jpg

    I assume that's Mark's wife in the middle. Mark lived in China for a while.

  88. @gruff
    OT, and sorry if this has already been posted: the New Yorker turns its attention to the alt right. Gentlemen prepare for heavy weather.

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/is-the-alt-right-for-real

    Replies: @Glossy, @candid_observer

    The New Yorker piece makes a big deal of the Zero Hedge site as if it’s some major source of Alt-right thinking.

    But, frankly, I haven’t even heard of it — or don’t remember having heard of it.

    Is the idea that Zero Hedge is a big deal in Alt-right just a convenient fabrication by the author of the piece?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @candid_observer

    It comes up.

    The more interesting question is whether Zero Hedge gets any info leaked from Moscow or if they're just guessing what Moscow would like. The Russian government is pretty good at spying on foreign bigshots, so it would be interesting if they leaked stuff into English via ZH, the way the Obama Administration uses the Washington Post and the Atlantic and the like to put out its stuff. But it could be they're just waving their hands.

    , @PV van der Byl
    @candid_observer

    I wouldn't say it is a major source of alt-right thinking but ZH is often the sole financial blog appearing on the blogrolls of alt-right websites.

    I always found that a bit odd.

  89. @Dr. X
    Dreams From My Father puzzles the hell out of me too. The book is largely B.S. -- but it contains a lot of anti-white racial hostility, "daddy issues," admission of felony drug use, left-wing pap, etc.

    It was out there for years before Obama ran for national office... and yet nobody -- NOBODY -- gave a damn about it and used it against him. (Certainly not the Republicans).

    For the last eight years, I've been asking my students, little Millennial Obamabots, if they've ever read it. NONE of them have. None of them are familiar with Rev. Wright, Obama's "after the election" promise to Dimitri Medvedev, Frank Marshall Davis, his drug use... none of it. They accept the fabricated, Wizard-of-Oz image of the man 100%, hook, line, and sinker.

    It's almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say "Eh.. so what?"

    Actually, the guy DID say "I'm good at killing people" and everybody shrugged it off... can you imagine if Romney or Trump had said such a thing? It'd be on the front page of the NYT every day for a year straight...

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @Glossy, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @newrouter, @Jim Don Bob, @International Jew, @Jeremiahjohnbalaya

    Mark Steyn answered the same question about Bill Clinton here: http://www.steynonline.com/7394/predators-for-hillary.

    “…on the eve of the impeachment trial in Washington, David Frum and I had a cup of tea with a prominent American media leftie and, after a bit of chit-chat about the latest damning revelations, David asked him why he and the rest of the press were sticking with Clinton. “Well,” he said, “in the end he’s our guy.” ”

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jim Don Bob

    Funny how, with the Left, the old saw "He might be a bastard, but he's our bastard!" no longer applies to dictators but does to serial sexual predators.

  90. @Anon
    So Rhodes, a half-Jewish, half-Anglo-Saxon guy, is trying his utmost to make Iran, a country hostile to both Israel and the United States, a nuclear power? What the heck does he think he's going to get in return? Does he think that murderous Islamic mullahs are suddenly going to adopt him and pat him on the head like he's their nice little pet doggie?

    There's a special place in hell for guys who try to screw over their country by birth and their country by blood. The guy is nothing but an opportunistic, in-house traitor. The weasel needs to be arrested, put on trial, and locked up.

    Doesn't it even occur to him that if Iran uses nuclear weapons against real, live people, it's his fault for arming fanatical nutjobs? He shows not the least sign of any awareness that someone might want to use those weapons.

    He thinks like a retarded child. He's a pathetic toady whose only goal in life is to find someone to suck up to.

    Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    Replies: @Big Bill, @Lot, @Discordiax

    The relevant tribe for Rhodes is not “Jews.” No traces of pro-Isreal anything–Israelis (who, remember, keep electing Netanyahu types) are as alien, icky and troublesome as flyover country badwhites. His tribe is SWPL, his objective (with Iran) was to get the US out of the Middle East hegemony business so that we would not fight another war in the Middle East.

    Most of the foreign policy/defense establishment is pretty much in agreement on this (the only way to actually stop an Iranian bomb is war with Iran, and just about nobody has the stomach to “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.”) Rhodes’ (and Obama’s) distinction is that he’s not trying to square the circle of A) allowing an Iranian bomb and B) maintaining US hegemony in the Middle East/Persian Gulf.

  91. I’m of the belief, unpopular though it may be, that Obama’s actual IQ is probably in the 105-110 region

    When someone talks like Hussein does, I don’t think “105-110 IQ.” Seems too articulate. I think the 115 to 125 range seems more likely.

    Nope. He is verbally fluent and no 100-105 IQ produces that fluency.

    I’d say he’s somewhere between 130-135 or so.

    Probably not. People over 130 show up in National Merit rolls. Hussein doesn’t, so we have a likely ceiling for him below 130.

    I’d guess Obama is in the 120-130ish range

    Probably a better guess than most.

    Great example of political incorrectness makes you stupid.

    Obama graduated magna from Harvard law. Grading is blind in law school. He finished in the top 15% among a field of competition like Harvard law. It’s quite possible he has an IQ of over 140. Certainly 130+.

    Great example of ignorance making you stupid. Scroll up ’til you get to the “National Merit” bit.

    “Blind grading” is a bit naive.

    Not true. There’s lots of substance, all the science behind HBD for example. There’s social conservatism, nationalism, ethno-centrism. All of these things are related and most of the people who talk about them take them seriously. So the article is pretty clueless.

    They aim to enlighten…as to what their Narrative will be, and what the reader shall regurgitate to Signal.

  92. Trump would have used it and with a vengeance. That is why this election will be a pleasure. Trump will not shy away from making Hillary uncomfortable. Nothing was ever done to make Obama uncomfortable. I remember when he debated McCain. McCain called him Senator and he condescendingly called McCain “John” and no matter how many times he did it, McCain did not respond with the same. Had he called Trump “Donald”, Trump would have called him Barry. Not Barak but Barry.

    Or “Hussein.”

    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    @Svigor

    Ha. Very good. Can't believe I missed that.

  93. Wade says:

    My own belief is that Barack Obama has the makings of an unusual and unusually effective president, because he might combine a writer’s sense of the dramatic moment, and of how language helps to shape reality, with the brain–and perhaps the soul–of a Harvard-educated technocrat.

    And here we have in a nutshell what’s wrong with America today. I always thought that the makings of an effective leader were old-fashioned things like Deep Loyalty towards the people one intends to lead, Perspicacity, Magnanimity, unflinching nerve in the face of adversity, etc.. But this gatekeeper of the flow of information between the government and polity thinks that “A writer’s sense of the Dramatic Moment” and an understanding of how “Language Shapes Reality” are key qualities in leadership. I thought those qualities were more a requirement for the abilities of dissimulation and prevarication, two qualities we normally hate in leadership.

    Shows you what I know!

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Wade

    Obama thought he could use his “writer’s sense of the Dramatic Moment” to ram through major federal gun control after the Newtown school massacre, and the fact that he was unable to do so bothers him more than any other policy failure in his administration. The Bitter Clingers won, damn them!

  94. @Anonymous
    @Former Darfur

    Great example of political incorrectness makes you stupid.

    Obama graduated magna from Harvard law. Grading is blind in law school. He finished in the top 15% among a field of competition like Harvard law. It's quite possible he has an IQ of over 140. Certainly 130+.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @peterike, @Boomstick

    Grading is blind in law school.

    I hear this bandied about often, and I find it utterly ridiculous. It couldn’t possibly be easier to circumvent. When writing anything, just toss in a reference to yourself. Or, in the case of minorities, say “as a black woman…” or something like that. Obama could very easily have signaled that his paper was his paper. Hell, even if he didn’t, you could probably tell from the contents.

    To say nothing of awarding extra points to pet students for “class participation” and so on, because after the “blind” grading the professors get back the list of names attached to the grades.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @peterike

    Obama was a star at Harvard Law School, but part of the reason was because he was a rare black who could do the work fine. He already had a distinctive prose style that the very high IQ people grading papers at HLS would have become familiar with. He got invited to help out the superstar professor Larry Tribe, the Bork of the left, with his BS paper about the curvature of constitutional space time.

    , @cwhatfuture
    @peterike

    After the first year, law students do not take the same classes at HLS or at most law schools. Some take international tax or anti-trust classes, which are difficult and very hard to get an A, and others take large credit, pro-bono advocacy classes, where most everyone gets an A and where you may go and help people who are having trouble with the landlord. A fair comparison between students based on GPA is not really possible. The Law Review at HLS is not based on grades but a writing competition (at least then). All in all, creativity and creativity in picking your classes can change your GPA quite a bit.

  95. Marty [AKA "Harvard Hates America"] says:

    “… overdetermined racial logic that unites the children of slaves and masters …”

    I am dismayed that I seem to be the only one here who doesn’t know what this means. My IQ has been estimated as 130, and also as 105. Maybe it’s the latter, but perhaps also that statement is the most interesting in the piece.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Marty

    I *think* he means he didn't have to see himself as reacting against the legacy of slavery (if he were an American black) or making amends for it in some way (if he were an American white).

  96. @Anonymous
    @Former Darfur

    Great example of political incorrectness makes you stupid.

    Obama graduated magna from Harvard law. Grading is blind in law school. He finished in the top 15% among a field of competition like Harvard law. It's quite possible he has an IQ of over 140. Certainly 130+.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @peterike, @Boomstick

    As I recall the standards of the time for “Magna” were top 30% of the class.

    His HLS grades are puzzling because that’s the only time in his life when he’s performed at a consistently high intellectual level. Perhaps the structure of school forced him out of a low-energy lifestyle.

    Even while at HLS his published writing was unimpressive.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/08/early_obama_letter_confirms_inability_to_write.html

  97. Any treaty with Iran starts with an apology for the illegal and unprovoked take over of our embassy and offer reparations for it. Without this apology, any treaty by Iran is worthless.
    I always wondered why the mad bomber, Bill Ayers, was not hired as a speechwriter. The dreams book was a winner for BHO.

  98. “while having an alleged sexual affair with a white church secretary”

    No this is a lie based on shoddy research. She is really high yellow. She was working for another megachurch, a black megachurch.

    http://www.friendshipwest.org/our-leadership.html

  99. @candid_observer
    One thing that's striking about Obama is just how much he runs against the black stereotype across the board.

    He's of course far more intellectual than that stereotype, which is a positive. But, on the other hand, he also utterly lacks the positive things in the stereotype. He's stiff. He's fundamentally unsociable. He's humorless. He's generally a drip. He doesn't even seem to have any kind of libido. He's lower energy than Jeb, for Christ's sake.

    Just about everything about the guy in terms of personality and cognitive traits resembles the white side of his family - a bunch of bright, but awkward bankers/economists etc.

    It's not surprising that such a nerd would look to his black blood as a source of vitality and interest, and identify as hard as possible with that side.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Obama’s father OTOH (or at least his supposed father – I’m inclined to think that he really was) was quite the ladies man and in typical African fashioned had baby mamas all over the place. When he married Stanley, he already had a wife and child back in Kenya and he had several more after Stanley plus he was apparently sleeping with enough women at Harvard for the administration to quietly see to it that his visa was not renewed. Obama has a whole bunch of half brothers and sisters, the most fascinating of which is his half Jewish half brother Mark Ndesandjo who is sort of the un-Obama – he lived around the father enough to detest him and never defined himself in terms of having a “black” identity. He also looks a lot like Obama for those who think that Davis was the father.

    I assume that’s Mark’s wife in the middle. Mark lived in China for a while.

  100. @Dr. X
    Dreams From My Father puzzles the hell out of me too. The book is largely B.S. -- but it contains a lot of anti-white racial hostility, "daddy issues," admission of felony drug use, left-wing pap, etc.

    It was out there for years before Obama ran for national office... and yet nobody -- NOBODY -- gave a damn about it and used it against him. (Certainly not the Republicans).

    For the last eight years, I've been asking my students, little Millennial Obamabots, if they've ever read it. NONE of them have. None of them are familiar with Rev. Wright, Obama's "after the election" promise to Dimitri Medvedev, Frank Marshall Davis, his drug use... none of it. They accept the fabricated, Wizard-of-Oz image of the man 100%, hook, line, and sinker.

    It's almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say "Eh.. so what?"

    Actually, the guy DID say "I'm good at killing people" and everybody shrugged it off... can you imagine if Romney or Trump had said such a thing? It'd be on the front page of the NYT every day for a year straight...

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @Glossy, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @newrouter, @Jim Don Bob, @International Jew, @Jeremiahjohnbalaya

    It’s almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say “Eh.. so what?”

    That’s pretty much the size of it. In the run-up to that Iran deal, if you were against it, you were presumed to be against Obama. (Except on unz.com, of course, where if you were against that deal you were a conniving perfidious dually-loyal Jew.)

    As with other hot issues of the last 7 years, it seems the left isn’t even trying very hard to be persuasive. They’re supremely confident the dissenters don’t matter. And their new open anti-white triumphalism is of a piece with that.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @International Jew

    Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

    Let's see how Trump does.

  101. @Jack D
    @Dr. X

    In shitty 3rd world countries that are neither fully Communist nor capitalist, you can still do things such as open a factory but you have to get not just one permit but a whole bunch of permits to do so (a permit to import the necessary machinery, a permit to build the factory, a permit to connect to the electrical grid), and the permits are not issued routinely - the burden is on you to PROVE that the country really needs another bicycle factory when it already has one. There are so many permits required that you can probably never get them all, so you get as many as you can thru bribery and then when the inspectors come around and ask you about the missing ones, you bribe them some more. Although this is really bad for the economy because it stifles a lot of economic activity, it is really a great system for bureaucrats because there are so many opportunities for graft. Environmentalists and other leftists love it because it allows them to "provide input" and block evil capitalists from ever doing anything.

    In India, they used to call this system the "Permit Raj". America is increasingly becoming a Permit Raj.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    It’s the same in the US.

    A guy I know here in PA had to get a permit for a billboard from the Township, the State and the Feds,

    Any commercial building has to have all the plumbing inspected before an occupancy permit is issued.
    The local fire inspector helpfully owns a plumbing company, guess who gets as much commercial work as he can handle? etc. etc.

    Google
    “sub-division and land development ordinance”

    And see what you get.

  102. Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    Sheeeeiiiit.

  103. @Dr. X
    Dreams From My Father puzzles the hell out of me too. The book is largely B.S. -- but it contains a lot of anti-white racial hostility, "daddy issues," admission of felony drug use, left-wing pap, etc.

    It was out there for years before Obama ran for national office... and yet nobody -- NOBODY -- gave a damn about it and used it against him. (Certainly not the Republicans).

    For the last eight years, I've been asking my students, little Millennial Obamabots, if they've ever read it. NONE of them have. None of them are familiar with Rev. Wright, Obama's "after the election" promise to Dimitri Medvedev, Frank Marshall Davis, his drug use... none of it. They accept the fabricated, Wizard-of-Oz image of the man 100%, hook, line, and sinker.

    It's almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say "Eh.. so what?"

    Actually, the guy DID say "I'm good at killing people" and everybody shrugged it off... can you imagine if Romney or Trump had said such a thing? It'd be on the front page of the NYT every day for a year straight...

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @Glossy, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @newrouter, @Jim Don Bob, @International Jew, @Jeremiahjohnbalaya

    It’s almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say “Eh.. so what?”

    I watched the Juanita Broadrick (sp?) interview w/ my liberal/feminist girlfriend at the time. She said “I believe he[Bill Clinton] raped her, but I would vote for him again”

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Jeremiahjohnbalaya

    Of Bill Clinton, in 1998 former Time contributor and White House correspondent Nina Burleigh said, "I would be happy to give him a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs."

    I wonder if Bill took her up on that.

  104. NOTA says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    Steve said, "An interesting question is whether Obama and Rhodes, who are both good writers, gave Samuels access because they get it that he gets it about Obama. Or were they just clueless too? Did Samuels use his iSteve-level awareness of Obama to play the President?"

    They are bragging that they used the MSM knowing that nothing will come of it.

    The sorriest thing to me about the decline of my beloved country is how the press, which fancies itself brave enough to "speak truth to power", has become nothing more than stenographers to the politicians they agree with. I thought the MSM was in the tank for Clinton, but they are completely underwater for Obama.

    Replies: @Winthorp, @NOTA

    It’s worth asking why the foreign policy reporters don’t know enough to notice when they’re being bullshitted. I suspect it has to do with the financial meltdown of newspapers–almost nobody has any foreign bureaus anymore, and lots of the high cost, high experience old guard seems to have been let go in favor of bright well-educated 25 year olds with no experience of anything but the Ivy League and writing for a living.

    We will keep paying the price for that for the forseeable future.

  105. @Glossy
    @Dr. X

    It’s almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer

    He IS a serial drone-murderer.

    Replies: @NOTA

    Murdering faceless third world foreigners is pretty much part of the job description at this point.

  106. @Inquiring Mind
    Yes, but is it OK to question the authorship of Dreams, or is that engaging in lunatic-fringe authorism?

    Replies: @Boomstick, @Thirdtwin

    “..is it OK to question the authorship of Dreams, or is that engaging in lunatic-fringe authorism?”

    It’s OK, but a better question would be who’s going to ghostwrite Obama’s next autobiography now that Rhodes has outed himself so infamously.

  107. @Rehmat
    Believe me Steve - Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei doesn't give damn what David Samuel, you or Barack Obama or Netanyahu think about Iran's nuclear program.

    On October 7, 2015, Iran’s Supreme leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei while talking to commanders, staff and their families of Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), repeated his earlier warning that any further negotiations with United States are fruitless and even harmful to Iranian people because it carries Israeli agenda.

    “Unfortunately, a certain group, in a bid to justify negotiations between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Great Satan, are raising these issues in newspapers, speeches, and in virtual space through a commonplace view, which is totally wrong,” Khamenei said.

    While stressing that Iran is not opposed to negotiations in principle with countries, including European and non-European, Ayatullah Khamenei said: “But the issue is different when it comes to United States, because it has come up with a definition of negotiation with Iran – meaning infiltration and paving the way for imposing their demands.”

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/10/09/khamenei-warns-against-further-negotiations-with-us/

    Replies: @SFG

    I’m sure if he gets a more congenial leader on our side he’ll change his tune.

  108. @International Jew
    @Dr. X


    It’s almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say “Eh.. so what?”
     
    That's pretty much the size of it. In the run-up to that Iran deal, if you were against it, you were presumed to be against Obama. (Except on unz.com, of course, where if you were against that deal you were a conniving perfidious dually-loyal Jew.)

    As with other hot issues of the last 7 years, it seems the left isn't even trying very hard to be persuasive. They're supremely confident the dissenters don't matter. And their new open anti-white triumphalism is of a piece with that.

    Replies: @SFG

    Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

    Let’s see how Trump does.

  109. @Winthorp
    @Cwhatfuture

    I'm inclined to see this as Coen brothers style shenanigans. Rhodes and Obama are portrayed as mind-melded, in constant contact - as fraternal co-writers. Rhodes wants notoriety, Obama wants both credit and the maintenance of presidential distance. So Rhodes gets billed as director, Obama as producer. That's what this story accomplishes.

    Replies: @Winthorp, @Connecticut Famer, @cwhatfuture

    Come to think of it, this would indeed be a perfect Coen Brothers vehicle.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Connecticut Famer

    David Samuels is kind of a John Milius-type character, so the Coens would probably do something fun with him.

  110. @peterike
    @Anonymous


    Grading is blind in law school.

     

    I hear this bandied about often, and I find it utterly ridiculous. It couldn't possibly be easier to circumvent. When writing anything, just toss in a reference to yourself. Or, in the case of minorities, say "as a black woman..." or something like that. Obama could very easily have signaled that his paper was his paper. Hell, even if he didn't, you could probably tell from the contents.

    To say nothing of awarding extra points to pet students for "class participation" and so on, because after the "blind" grading the professors get back the list of names attached to the grades.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @cwhatfuture

    Obama was a star at Harvard Law School, but part of the reason was because he was a rare black who could do the work fine. He already had a distinctive prose style that the very high IQ people grading papers at HLS would have become familiar with. He got invited to help out the superstar professor Larry Tribe, the Bork of the left, with his BS paper about the curvature of constitutional space time.

  111. @Winthorp
    @Jim Don Bob

    Agree. Rhodes wanted to be an author, this was his great novel - a novelty of form, Delillo writ large - he wanted the credit.

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture, @SFG

    You know, that’s probably it. And it was quite a work of fiction.

    I can’t even complain–peace with Iran is a good thing.

    • Replies: @Winthorp
    @SFG

    Me neither. My sense is that Iran has been and could continue to be a rational actor, whereas I have zero interest in propping up Gulf Arab dystopias. If the administration is trying to disentangle us from the region, I'll give credit where credit's due.

  112. @Marty
    "... overdetermined racial logic that unites the children of slaves and masters ..."

    I am dismayed that I seem to be the only one here who doesn't know what this means. My IQ has been estimated as 130, and also as 105. Maybe it's the latter, but perhaps also that statement is the most interesting in the piece.

    Replies: @SFG

    I *think* he means he didn’t have to see himself as reacting against the legacy of slavery (if he were an American black) or making amends for it in some way (if he were an American white).

  113. @Connecticut Famer
    @Winthorp

    Come to think of it, this would indeed be a perfect Coen Brothers vehicle.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    David Samuels is kind of a John Milius-type character, so the Coens would probably do something fun with him.

  114. @candid_observer
    @gruff

    The New Yorker piece makes a big deal of the Zero Hedge site as if it's some major source of Alt-right thinking.

    But, frankly, I haven't even heard of it -- or don't remember having heard of it.

    Is the idea that Zero Hedge is a big deal in Alt-right just a convenient fabrication by the author of the piece?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PV van der Byl

    It comes up.

    The more interesting question is whether Zero Hedge gets any info leaked from Moscow or if they’re just guessing what Moscow would like. The Russian government is pretty good at spying on foreign bigshots, so it would be interesting if they leaked stuff into English via ZH, the way the Obama Administration uses the Washington Post and the Atlantic and the like to put out its stuff. But it could be they’re just waving their hands.

  115. @Anonymous
    @Former Darfur

    Where do you get that John von Neumann was only part Ashkenazi? Perhaps you've been confused somehow by his deathbed conversion to Catholicism, but his ethnic background was entirely Ashkenazi.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    Probably because of “von Neumann” I was misguided. Okay, but even so: Ashkenazim are on average smarter than whites, but the deviation is narrower, i.e., they have fewer outliers on either side of the peak, so this may well be even more impressive.

    • Replies: @Yngvar
    @Former Darfur

    "Probably because of “von Neumann” I was misguided."

    Nah, it was your prejudices that got you humiliated.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

  116. @peterike
    @Anonymous


    Grading is blind in law school.

     

    I hear this bandied about often, and I find it utterly ridiculous. It couldn't possibly be easier to circumvent. When writing anything, just toss in a reference to yourself. Or, in the case of minorities, say "as a black woman..." or something like that. Obama could very easily have signaled that his paper was his paper. Hell, even if he didn't, you could probably tell from the contents.

    To say nothing of awarding extra points to pet students for "class participation" and so on, because after the "blind" grading the professors get back the list of names attached to the grades.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @cwhatfuture

    After the first year, law students do not take the same classes at HLS or at most law schools. Some take international tax or anti-trust classes, which are difficult and very hard to get an A, and others take large credit, pro-bono advocacy classes, where most everyone gets an A and where you may go and help people who are having trouble with the landlord. A fair comparison between students based on GPA is not really possible. The Law Review at HLS is not based on grades but a writing competition (at least then). All in all, creativity and creativity in picking your classes can change your GPA quite a bit.

  117. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    P.J. O'Rourke was married to one of Lena Horne's granddaughters for awhile. Jonathan Demme's movie "Rachel Getting Married" starring Anne Hathaway as a disruptive sister was written by her sister. She worked for John McCain.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/10/rachel-getting-married.html

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Most interesting. By the time PJ O’Rourke married the granddaugther there probably wasn’t a noticeable difference because by that generation the granddaughter didn’t have to try to “pass”.

    Keeping the same theme, (about Lena Horne) going, on a somewhat related anecdotal note, my mother when she was single was working in local Kaufman’s one summer in charge of events and she managed to get pop singer Andy Williams to make an appearance at Kauffman’s.

    Andy Williams remarked to my mother “You remind me of two people I know in Hollywood. You resemble them very much.”

    “Who are they?” Asked mom.

    “One of them is Natalie Wood. The other is Lena Horne.” He then quickly smiled a laughed a bit “Of course, you’re a little bit lighter than Lena!”

    He was telling the truth, somewhat about Lena Horne and definitely about Natalie Wood, people were always telling her that. She could’ve been her stand-in in Hollywood, that’s how close she resembled her in the looks department. It’s uncanny.

    Lena Horne was also a goodwill ambassador in later yrs for Head Start and often made appearances on Sesame Street and of course Sandford and Son.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Here's Amy Lumet at the Oscars when her dad Sidney got his Lifetime Achievement Award:

    https://thisblksistaspage.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/amyholdhands.jpeg

    The young lady cut in half by the picture cropping is Amy's sister, who wrote a snarky screenplay about two sisters, Rachel Getting Married, in which the good sister's wedding is wrecked by her attention hog sister showing up.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  118. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Reg Cæsar

    Oh yeah, that's right. In fact the staged adultery thing was a major plot point of the Astaire-Rogers 1934 dancing comedy "The Gay Divorcee".

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    It was also a major plot point in Evelyn Waugh’s A Handful of Dust (1934). Here is a key scene from the 1988 film adaptation:

  119. @Winthorp
    @Cwhatfuture

    I'm inclined to see this as Coen brothers style shenanigans. Rhodes and Obama are portrayed as mind-melded, in constant contact - as fraternal co-writers. Rhodes wants notoriety, Obama wants both credit and the maintenance of presidential distance. So Rhodes gets billed as director, Obama as producer. That's what this story accomplishes.

    Replies: @Winthorp, @Connecticut Famer, @cwhatfuture

    The mind meld quote! Rhodes does not know where he ends and the President begins. I think that would be two lips on the one side and a rear end on the other. Problem Solved.

  120. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Most interesting. By the time PJ O'Rourke married the granddaugther there probably wasn't a noticeable difference because by that generation the granddaughter didn't have to try to "pass".

    Keeping the same theme, (about Lena Horne) going, on a somewhat related anecdotal note, my mother when she was single was working in local Kaufman's one summer in charge of events and she managed to get pop singer Andy Williams to make an appearance at Kauffman's.

    Andy Williams remarked to my mother "You remind me of two people I know in Hollywood. You resemble them very much."

    "Who are they?" Asked mom.

    "One of them is Natalie Wood. The other is Lena Horne." He then quickly smiled a laughed a bit "Of course, you're a little bit lighter than Lena!"

    He was telling the truth, somewhat about Lena Horne and definitely about Natalie Wood, people were always telling her that. She could've been her stand-in in Hollywood, that's how close she resembled her in the looks department. It's uncanny.

    Lena Horne was also a goodwill ambassador in later yrs for Head Start and often made appearances on Sesame Street and of course Sandford and Son.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Here’s Amy Lumet at the Oscars when her dad Sidney got his Lifetime Achievement Award:

    The young lady cut in half by the picture cropping is Amy’s sister, who wrote a snarky screenplay about two sisters, Rachel Getting Married, in which the good sister’s wedding is wrecked by her attention hog sister showing up.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Ok, I'm sorry, maybe I'm mistaken. Based on that picture, I can't believe that Amy Lumet is in any way directly related to Lena Horne. Just not seeing it. Certainly the woman on her left isn't Lena.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Another thing to remember: The reason that Lena Horne could definitely have passed back in the Jim Crow days was because to be honest, she most likely was at least of 50% white heritage, if not more. By the time her granddaughters era, I mean, honestly. They are at least 90% white if not more. At least in the picture you linked to, there's no way that anyone would consider them to be anything other than white. If Sydney married Horne's daughter (from white band leader Lenny Hayton, and the fact that Horne herself was probably at least half white herself) that would tend to make the granddaughter's grandmom more than three quarters white. Assuming that both their parents were also white, that would definitely mean that they would be well over 90% white.

    Sort of like that one article you did a long time ago regarding New Zealanders who happened to marry an aborigine and by the fourth generation the genes are so irrelevant that the offspring resemble Bing Crosby. I mean, these two girls resemble Bing Crosby and they don't appear to be replenishing the black side of the family either so that would mean that their kids won't be considered anything but white.

    Wonder if Amy had any children to PJ O'Rourke?

    Replies: @Triumph104

  121. @candid_observer
    @gruff

    The New Yorker piece makes a big deal of the Zero Hedge site as if it's some major source of Alt-right thinking.

    But, frankly, I haven't even heard of it -- or don't remember having heard of it.

    Is the idea that Zero Hedge is a big deal in Alt-right just a convenient fabrication by the author of the piece?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PV van der Byl

    I wouldn’t say it is a major source of alt-right thinking but ZH is often the sole financial blog appearing on the blogrolls of alt-right websites.

    I always found that a bit odd.

  122. What I find most interesting is that this arc of a novelist being brought into the inner circle is also mirrored in the Netflix series “House of Cards”. I won’t explain it here, but the idea of bringing in someone who “gets it” is played out there (with various, and not relevant, non-conservative biases). It more makes me wonder if the screen-writer for “House of Cards”, similar to the insider/outsider novelist approach of David Samuels, wasn’t his more snarky, more stoned, less “professionally” ambitious suite-mate somewhere along the line.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Someguy

    The House of Cards creator had been a political staffer. I reviewed his pre House of Cards political movie he wrote for George Clooney and Ryan Gosling in 2011:

    http://takimag.com/article/black_but_not_like_barack/print#axzz48FhVikGt

    It's not uncommon for writers to go back and forth between being White House speechwriters and screenwriters. The guy who directed "Pleasantville" and the first Hunger Games movie, for example, was a Clinton speechwriter.

    Another screenwriter's mom is in charge of fundraising for the Obama library.

  123. @Someguy
    What I find most interesting is that this arc of a novelist being brought into the inner circle is also mirrored in the Netflix series "House of Cards". I won't explain it here, but the idea of bringing in someone who "gets it" is played out there (with various, and not relevant, non-conservative biases). It more makes me wonder if the screen-writer for "House of Cards", similar to the insider/outsider novelist approach of David Samuels, wasn't his more snarky, more stoned, less "professionally" ambitious suite-mate somewhere along the line.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The House of Cards creator had been a political staffer. I reviewed his pre House of Cards political movie he wrote for George Clooney and Ryan Gosling in 2011:

    http://takimag.com/article/black_but_not_like_barack/print#axzz48FhVikGt

    It’s not uncommon for writers to go back and forth between being White House speechwriters and screenwriters. The guy who directed “Pleasantville” and the first Hunger Games movie, for example, was a Clinton speechwriter.

    Another screenwriter’s mom is in charge of fundraising for the Obama library.

  124. @Svigor

    Trump would have used it and with a vengeance. That is why this election will be a pleasure. Trump will not shy away from making Hillary uncomfortable. Nothing was ever done to make Obama uncomfortable. I remember when he debated McCain. McCain called him Senator and he condescendingly called McCain “John” and no matter how many times he did it, McCain did not respond with the same. Had he called Trump “Donald”, Trump would have called him Barry. Not Barak but Barry.
     
    Or "Hussein."

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture

    Ha. Very good. Can’t believe I missed that.

  125. Which I think gets at the effect of Trump vs. Obama – one was a blank slate, knowingly animated by the biases of his target audience(s) – while the other is a Wofe-ian manifestation (h/t isteve) of human nature(ish,ness).

    What that leads to is more unknown – the multicultural technocrat vs. the megalomaniac opprotunist.

  126. @Boomstick
    @Inquiring Mind

    I don't think it's lunatic fringe, though it's certainly unpopular. I haven't seen anything written by Obama before or since then that isn't pedestrian.

    It's odd that his reputation for being a super-genius rests on two periods of his life: Harvard Law and the one book. Everything else falls into the "bright enough, but not great" category. Most of the speeches, assuming he's written them or had a hand in them, seem to have an undergraduate quality. More than a bit pompous, and very sure of his own rectitude and the wickedness of others.

    Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Then turning large portions of the Mid-East into a cesspool doesn’t count against Obama?

  127. @Steve Sailer
    @Former Darfur

    Trump had a NYC concealed carry permit, at least he did back around 2000, along with Robert De Niro, William F. Buckley, and Buddy Hackett.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Reg Cæsar, @Dr. X, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Yes, but Buddy Hackett is dead (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Hackett#Death) and so is William F. Buckley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley_Jr.#Death) so clearly a conceal-carry permit is deadly to the carrier! It is a statistical certainty! All concealed-carry permits come with a death sentence! Abstain from them, and live forever!

  128. @SFG
    @Winthorp

    You know, that's probably it. And it was quite a work of fiction.

    I can't even complain--peace with Iran is a good thing.

    Replies: @Winthorp

    Me neither. My sense is that Iran has been and could continue to be a rational actor, whereas I have zero interest in propping up Gulf Arab dystopias. If the administration is trying to disentangle us from the region, I’ll give credit where credit’s due.

  129. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Trump had a NYC concealed carry permit, at least he did back around 2000, along with Robert De Niro, William F. Buckley, and Buddy Hackett.
     
    As did Laurence Rockefeller, who told the police he needed it because he carried large sums of money. Never mind that his family was notorious for not carrying any size sum of money, to dissuade beggars.

    It was kind of like the staged adultery common before no-fault divorce.

    Replies: @EriK, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    A dishonest Rockefeller? No one would have thought that!

    But I must salute Nelson for flying the American Eagle in the general direction of the hydrophobic media covering him (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller#Vice_Presidency_1974.E2.80.931977)

  130. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Here's Amy Lumet at the Oscars when her dad Sidney got his Lifetime Achievement Award:

    https://thisblksistaspage.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/amyholdhands.jpeg

    The young lady cut in half by the picture cropping is Amy's sister, who wrote a snarky screenplay about two sisters, Rachel Getting Married, in which the good sister's wedding is wrecked by her attention hog sister showing up.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Ok, I’m sorry, maybe I’m mistaken. Based on that picture, I can’t believe that Amy Lumet is in any way directly related to Lena Horne. Just not seeing it. Certainly the woman on her left isn’t Lena.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The photo is deceptive. In other pictures you can tell that she is a light skinned mulatta, especially if she is next to an actual white person:

    http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/56183520-actor-hal-sparks-director-sidney-lumets-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QAmqjT54LgGdEq2gbxmbF708Clm1zLh%2F%2B0XogtQP%2BlmZSeF%2BAPwBniVXPVl3EUca9w%3D%3D

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  131. @Steve Sailer
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Here's Amy Lumet at the Oscars when her dad Sidney got his Lifetime Achievement Award:

    https://thisblksistaspage.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/amyholdhands.jpeg

    The young lady cut in half by the picture cropping is Amy's sister, who wrote a snarky screenplay about two sisters, Rachel Getting Married, in which the good sister's wedding is wrecked by her attention hog sister showing up.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Another thing to remember: The reason that Lena Horne could definitely have passed back in the Jim Crow days was because to be honest, she most likely was at least of 50% white heritage, if not more. By the time her granddaughters era, I mean, honestly. They are at least 90% white if not more. At least in the picture you linked to, there’s no way that anyone would consider them to be anything other than white. If Sydney married Horne’s daughter (from white band leader Lenny Hayton, and the fact that Horne herself was probably at least half white herself) that would tend to make the granddaughter’s grandmom more than three quarters white. Assuming that both their parents were also white, that would definitely mean that they would be well over 90% white.

    Sort of like that one article you did a long time ago regarding New Zealanders who happened to marry an aborigine and by the fourth generation the genes are so irrelevant that the offspring resemble Bing Crosby. I mean, these two girls resemble Bing Crosby and they don’t appear to be replenishing the black side of the family either so that would mean that their kids won’t be considered anything but white.

    Wonder if Amy had any children to PJ O’Rourke?

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Lena Horne didn't have any children with Lenny Hayton. The father of her children was black. If both Lena and her ex-husband were 50 percent black, then their children were 50 percent black. The Lumet girls are around 25 percent black.

    I can't tell if Amy had any children, but Jenny's son is actor Jake Cannavale and he looks like someone 10-15 percent black.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  132. @Triumph104
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I know it sounds scandalous but that is pretty normal for today's successful black pastor. The congregation doesn't care. They want their pastor to have nice things and some will happily give their last nickel. Most think money is a sign of God's favor and if their pastor has money, money will magically show up for them too.

    The worshippers just want to be entertained and show off their illegitimate children. If the pastor does cheat on his wife or get caught with drugs, everyone will shrug and say he is just a man. They love knowing they too can sin with abandon and always be forgiven. Bishop Eddie Long had sex with boys. He not only still has his church, but he has satellite churches in other cities.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Harry Baldwin

    Let’s not forget the late, great Reverend Ike, known for such inspirational pronouncements as, “Why wait till you die for your pie in the sky? You can have it right now, with ice cream on top.”

    When it came to the worship of Mammon, Rev. Ike was as transparent as they come. “It is the lack of money that is the root of all evil,” he used to say. “The best thing you can do for the poor is not to be one of them.”

    From his NY Times obituary:

    “Close your eyes and see green,” Reverend Ike would tell his 5,000 parishioners from a red-carpeted stage at the former Loew’s film palace on 175th Street in Washington Heights, the headquarters of his United Church Science of Living Institute. “Money up to your armpits, a roomful of money and there you are, just tossing around in it like a swimming pool.” …

    In return for spiritual inspiration, he requested cash donations from his parishioners, from his television and radio audiences, and from the recipients of his extensive mailings — preferably in paper currency, not coins. (“Change makes your minister nervous in the service,” he would tell his congregation.)

    He would also, in return, mail his contributors a prayer cloth….

    [T]he money flooded in, making him a multimillionaire and enabling him to flaunt the power of his creed with a show of sumptuous clothes, ostentatious jewelry, luxurious residences and exotic automobiles. “My garages runneth over,” he said.

    • Agree: Triumph104
  133. @Wade

    My own belief is that Barack Obama has the makings of an unusual and unusually effective president, because he might combine a writer’s sense of the dramatic moment, and of how language helps to shape reality, with the brain–and perhaps the soul–of a Harvard-educated technocrat.
     
    And here we have in a nutshell what's wrong with America today. I always thought that the makings of an effective leader were old-fashioned things like Deep Loyalty towards the people one intends to lead, Perspicacity, Magnanimity, unflinching nerve in the face of adversity, etc.. But this gatekeeper of the flow of information between the government and polity thinks that "A writer's sense of the Dramatic Moment" and an understanding of how "Language Shapes Reality" are key qualities in leadership. I thought those qualities were more a requirement for the abilities of dissimulation and prevarication, two qualities we normally hate in leadership.

    Shows you what I know!

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Obama thought he could use his “writer’s sense of the Dramatic Moment” to ram through major federal gun control after the Newtown school massacre, and the fact that he was unable to do so bothers him more than any other policy failure in his administration. The Bitter Clingers won, damn them!

  134. @Jeremiahjohnbalaya
    @Dr. X

    It’s almost as if Obama could admit to being a serial axe-murderer and the public and the media would simply shrug and say “Eh.. so what?”

    I watched the Juanita Broadrick (sp?) interview w/ my liberal/feminist girlfriend at the time. She said "I believe he[Bill Clinton] raped her, but I would vote for him again"

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Of Bill Clinton, in 1998 former Time contributor and White House correspondent Nina Burleigh said, “I would be happy to give him a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs.”

    I wonder if Bill took her up on that.

  135. @Jefferson
    @whorefinder

    "There’s a reason Maury Povich is so well known in the ghetto.

    He delivers Christmas gifts to black men every day."

    A long time ago Maury Povich used to be a respectable show, they would have bald children with cancer on the show, but that was not getting high ratings.

    His ratings did not skyrocket until they decided to become trashy like Jerry Springer and court the vibrant 3rd World demographics & the White trash population that is addicted to meth & heroin.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Reg Cæsar

    A long time ago Maury Povich used to be a respectable show…

    His father Shirley was even more respectable:

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @Reg Cæsar

    I grew up in the 50's reading the excellent sports columns of Shirley Povich and Bob Addie (husband of former female tennis great Pauline Betz Addie) in the Washington Post-Times Herald (as it was known after the merger of the two morning papers around 54-55), which allowed the Post to become the predominant paper in the D.C. market (with four pages of comics), surpassing the conservative evening paper, the Washington Evening Star), just as television news was about to come into its own, changing the reading habits of Americans everywhere. Since the current sports teams in D.C., the football Redskins and the baseball Senators, were so dreadful at the time, I got to read a lot of columns recreating the past glories of the Redskins and Senators. Povich was a very fine writer.

  136. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Triumph104

    Yes, there are several prominent black pastors who have a svengali like hold over their congregations and may indeed have personal problems etc. But one would think that the congregation would have a big time problem that Rev. Wright was having an affair with a white secretary. That kind of thing generally doesn't go down too well with the black church ladies. If he was having an affair with another black church lady, that probably would've been fine. Indeed most black pastors tend to keep their affairs within the community (e.g. Reality show "LA Preachers" etc,).

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    But one would think that the congregation would have a big time problem that Rev. Wright was having an affair with a white secretary. That kind of thing generally doesn’t go down too well with the black church ladies.

    Well, it is the United Church of Christ…

  137. @Former Darfur
    @Anonymous

    Probably because of "von Neumann" I was misguided. Okay, but even so: Ashkenazim are on average smarter than whites, but the deviation is narrower, i.e., they have fewer outliers on either side of the peak, so this may well be even more impressive.

    Replies: @Yngvar

    “Probably because of “von Neumann” I was misguided.”

    Nah, it was your prejudices that got you humiliated.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    @Yngvar

    "Nah, it was your prejudices that got you humiliated."

    My postjudices may have made me incorrect this time, but I'm not humiliated.

    If I'm wrong, show me, and I'll acknowledge it and move on. That's what separates people like me from liberals.

  138. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Ok, I'm sorry, maybe I'm mistaken. Based on that picture, I can't believe that Amy Lumet is in any way directly related to Lena Horne. Just not seeing it. Certainly the woman on her left isn't Lena.

    Replies: @Jack D

    The photo is deceptive. In other pictures you can tell that she is a light skinned mulatta, especially if she is next to an actual white person:

    http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/56183520-actor-hal-sparks-director-sidney-lumets-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QAmqjT54LgGdEq2gbxmbF708Clm1zLh%2F%2B0XogtQP%2BlmZSeF%2BAPwBniVXPVl3EUca9w%3D%3D

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jack D

    Ok, then we're talking about on the order of Mariah Carey, who is definitely around 75% white. As in, mostly white, but there's clearly something there, is what you're saying.

    Replies: @BB753, @Former Darfur

  139. @Jim Don Bob
    @Dr. X

    Mark Steyn answered the same question about Bill Clinton here: http://www.steynonline.com/7394/predators-for-hillary.

    "...on the eve of the impeachment trial in Washington, David Frum and I had a cup of tea with a prominent American media leftie and, after a bit of chit-chat about the latest damning revelations, David asked him why he and the rest of the press were sticking with Clinton. "Well," he said, "in the end he's our guy." "

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Funny how, with the Left, the old saw “He might be a bastard, but he’s our bastard!” no longer applies to dictators but does to serial sexual predators.

  140. I look at BHO and his academic performance in the light of the statistic unchanged through the history of the Massachusetts METCO program, which sends “educationally underserved” NAMs to majority-white suburban schools.

    The black kids have lower standardized test scores than the state average, but higher school GPAs than the state average. Nice white ladies indeed.

  141. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    Another thing to remember: The reason that Lena Horne could definitely have passed back in the Jim Crow days was because to be honest, she most likely was at least of 50% white heritage, if not more. By the time her granddaughters era, I mean, honestly. They are at least 90% white if not more. At least in the picture you linked to, there's no way that anyone would consider them to be anything other than white. If Sydney married Horne's daughter (from white band leader Lenny Hayton, and the fact that Horne herself was probably at least half white herself) that would tend to make the granddaughter's grandmom more than three quarters white. Assuming that both their parents were also white, that would definitely mean that they would be well over 90% white.

    Sort of like that one article you did a long time ago regarding New Zealanders who happened to marry an aborigine and by the fourth generation the genes are so irrelevant that the offspring resemble Bing Crosby. I mean, these two girls resemble Bing Crosby and they don't appear to be replenishing the black side of the family either so that would mean that their kids won't be considered anything but white.

    Wonder if Amy had any children to PJ O'Rourke?

    Replies: @Triumph104

    Lena Horne didn’t have any children with Lenny Hayton. The father of her children was black. If both Lena and her ex-husband were 50 percent black, then their children were 50 percent black. The Lumet girls are around 25 percent black.

    I can’t tell if Amy had any children, but Jenny’s son is actor Jake Cannavale and he looks like someone 10-15 percent black.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Triumph104

    You don't know if Horne was "only" fifty pecent white, we don't know for certain. She could've been around 60-66% white which would make her kids around 60% solid white at the very least. After all, there are many who pass who are actually majority white. That NYT columnist who originally came from New Orleans and hid from his own family for decades that he was like, 10-20% black origin. Came as a complete surprise to his family who just always assumed he was white. That's what the Lumet daughters look like, like they're white. Being named Jenny and Amy (traditional white names) they most likely don't hang around BET events and try to get in on "Hey, you know we're black too!" a la Barack Obama. They most likely identify as white if only on a subconscious level. (e.g. type of neighborhood live in, schools attended, most of their friends, etc). Amy was married to PJ ORourke and worked in GOP politics for a time, hardly the bastion of African-American culture.

    The Lumet children, daughters of 100% white Sydney Lumet and his 60% white wife, look around 80-90% white. Sort of like pop singer Mariah Carey, who is definitely around 75% white.

    Finish the sentence: 10-15% black = ca.90% white.

    Replies: @Triumph104

  142. I don’t know whether any other poster has brought it up already, but Daniel Larison at TAC gives a somewhat different take on Mr. Samuels:

    “Once you realize that the profile’s author is a longtime, vocal opponent of the nuclear deal with Iran and a past advocate of bombing Iran, many of its weirder elements begin to make a bit more sense. The profile seems to have been a product of the meeting of a writer with a very large axe to grind against the nuclear deal with an Obama adviser so hung up on scoring points against administration critics that he failed to see that he was being used by one of those critics to undermine Obama in a very public way. The profile has since been seized on by inveterate opponents of the nuclear deal to claim vindication, but all that it shows is how tendentious and misleading the deal’s opponents continue to be a year after the agreement was reached. Samuels himself gave the game away by trying to smear specific reporters by name, and they have both responded vigorously to the willful misrepresentation of their work. . . Where Rhodes went wrong was in allowing himself–the supposed shaper of media narratives–to be set up by Samuels, whose presentation of Rhodes’ work in general and the nuclear deal in particular was bound to be unfair and misleading. Samuels flatters Rhodes by making him seem both more mysterious and important than he is, but then uses the opportunity to set off a bomb beneath the administration’s signature policy initiative of the second term to suit his own goals. It is an indictment of the administration’s arrogance or carelessness that they failed to do due diligence on the views of the person writing Rhodes’ profile, which they had to know could be used against them. ” http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-rhodes-profile-and-the-nuclear-deal/

    So it was ignorance of the article’s writer by Rhodes and Obama that was at fault, but it was ignorance of a different order than simply Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But clearly ignorance, whichever way you cut it.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @tbraton

    That's a very good analysis. Anyone can see that an article that criticizes the Iran deal is bound to be neocon ammunition. There is nothing particularly scandalous about the idea that politicians hoodwink the American people, the only novelty here is the idea that Svengali-like wordsmiths can turn the American people into zombies. "We wuz robbed!" cries Samuels. Well, that's just too bad.

    Again, I think it is correct to identify this kerfuffle as just more neocon gnashing of teeth. It will hurt the democrats in the integrity department, but it won't help the neocons with the GOP: if he is elected, Trump isn't going to go to war with Iran.

    Replies: @tbraton

  143. @Reg Cæsar
    @Jefferson


    A long time ago Maury Povich used to be a respectable show...
     
    His father Shirley was even more respectable:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirley_Povich#/media/File:Shirley_Povich_1955.JPG

    Replies: @tbraton

    I grew up in the 50’s reading the excellent sports columns of Shirley Povich and Bob Addie (husband of former female tennis great Pauline Betz Addie) in the Washington Post-Times Herald (as it was known after the merger of the two morning papers around 54-55), which allowed the Post to become the predominant paper in the D.C. market (with four pages of comics), surpassing the conservative evening paper, the Washington Evening Star), just as television news was about to come into its own, changing the reading habits of Americans everywhere. Since the current sports teams in D.C., the football Redskins and the baseball Senators, were so dreadful at the time, I got to read a lot of columns recreating the past glories of the Redskins and Senators. Povich was a very fine writer.

  144. @Triumph104
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Lena Horne didn't have any children with Lenny Hayton. The father of her children was black. If both Lena and her ex-husband were 50 percent black, then their children were 50 percent black. The Lumet girls are around 25 percent black.

    I can't tell if Amy had any children, but Jenny's son is actor Jake Cannavale and he looks like someone 10-15 percent black.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    You don’t know if Horne was “only” fifty pecent white, we don’t know for certain. She could’ve been around 60-66% white which would make her kids around 60% solid white at the very least. After all, there are many who pass who are actually majority white. That NYT columnist who originally came from New Orleans and hid from his own family for decades that he was like, 10-20% black origin. Came as a complete surprise to his family who just always assumed he was white. That’s what the Lumet daughters look like, like they’re white. Being named Jenny and Amy (traditional white names) they most likely don’t hang around BET events and try to get in on “Hey, you know we’re black too!” a la Barack Obama. They most likely identify as white if only on a subconscious level. (e.g. type of neighborhood live in, schools attended, most of their friends, etc). Amy was married to PJ ORourke and worked in GOP politics for a time, hardly the bastion of African-American culture.

    The Lumet children, daughters of 100% white Sydney Lumet and his 60% white wife, look around 80-90% white. Sort of like pop singer Mariah Carey, who is definitely around 75% white.

    Finish the sentence: 10-15% black = ca.90% white.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If Lena Horne and her ex-husband were 34-40 percent black then the Lumet grandchildren would be 17-20 percent black. Using your numbers they are still closer to 25 percent black than 10 percent.


    That NYT columnist who originally came from New Orleans and hid from his own family for decades that he was like, 10-20% black origin.
     
    New York Times columnist Anatole Broyard's daughter, Bliss Broyard, has a white mother. Bliss took a DNA test on PBS and she is 17 percent black. Video proof in the link.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/profiles/broyard.html

  145. @tbraton
    I don't know whether any other poster has brought it up already, but Daniel Larison at TAC gives a somewhat different take on Mr. Samuels:

    "Once you realize that the profile’s author is a longtime, vocal opponent of the nuclear deal with Iran and a past advocate of bombing Iran, many of its weirder elements begin to make a bit more sense. The profile seems to have been a product of the meeting of a writer with a very large axe to grind against the nuclear deal with an Obama adviser so hung up on scoring points against administration critics that he failed to see that he was being used by one of those critics to undermine Obama in a very public way. The profile has since been seized on by inveterate opponents of the nuclear deal to claim vindication, but all that it shows is how tendentious and misleading the deal’s opponents continue to be a year after the agreement was reached. Samuels himself gave the game away by trying to smear specific reporters by name, and they have both responded vigorously to the willful misrepresentation of their work. . . Where Rhodes went wrong was in allowing himself–the supposed shaper of media narratives–to be set up by Samuels, whose presentation of Rhodes’ work in general and the nuclear deal in particular was bound to be unfair and misleading. Samuels flatters Rhodes by making him seem both more mysterious and important than he is, but then uses the opportunity to set off a bomb beneath the administration’s signature policy initiative of the second term to suit his own goals. It is an indictment of the administration’s arrogance or carelessness that they failed to do due diligence on the views of the person writing Rhodes’ profile, which they had to know could be used against them. " http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-rhodes-profile-and-the-nuclear-deal/

    So it was ignorance of the article's writer by Rhodes and Obama that was at fault, but it was ignorance of a different order than simply Rev. Jeremiah Wright. But clearly ignorance, whichever way you cut it.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    That’s a very good analysis. Anyone can see that an article that criticizes the Iran deal is bound to be neocon ammunition. There is nothing particularly scandalous about the idea that politicians hoodwink the American people, the only novelty here is the idea that Svengali-like wordsmiths can turn the American people into zombies. “We wuz robbed!” cries Samuels. Well, that’s just too bad.

    Again, I think it is correct to identify this kerfuffle as just more neocon gnashing of teeth. It will hurt the democrats in the integrity department, but it won’t help the neocons with the GOP: if he is elected, Trump isn’t going to go to war with Iran.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @SPMoore8

    There is a follow-up blog by Larison on TAC on the subject of the Samuels-Rhodes' interview, "Down the Rabbit Hole With Samuels," http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/down-the-rabbit-hole-with-samuels/
    The concluding sentence: "Samuels says he stands by his story, and that means that he stands by what many observers have concluded to be fiction."

  146. @Jack D
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The photo is deceptive. In other pictures you can tell that she is a light skinned mulatta, especially if she is next to an actual white person:

    http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/56183520-actor-hal-sparks-director-sidney-lumets-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=OCUJ5gVf7YdJQI2Xhkc2QAmqjT54LgGdEq2gbxmbF708Clm1zLh%2F%2B0XogtQP%2BlmZSeF%2BAPwBniVXPVl3EUca9w%3D%3D

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Ok, then we’re talking about on the order of Mariah Carey, who is definitely around 75% white. As in, mostly white, but there’s clearly something there, is what you’re saying.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    What were the odds of Lena Horne actually passing when even her "whiter"grandchildren can't? Also, did Lena Horne get a nose job?

    , @Former Darfur
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Have you met Mariah Carey?

    I have, or more correctly, I've been within ten feet from her. She was surrounded by the intimidator-thug type of bodyguards. I'll be the first to acknowledge she has an impressive set of vocal chords, but she has a skin tone that would have made her a no go even if her primadonna behavior didn't.

    She has to be a pardo, and I doubt she's 75% white. More than fifty, sure. But she looks a lot better in photos, which in this digital era are all photoshopped, than in person.

  147. @Lot
    @Anon

    As Big Bill also says, there is no real way to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons using sanctions. Obama ending this policy that didn't work is no danger to the USA or Israel.

    Israel has its own nukes, and the most likely target for an Iranian nuke is Saudi Arabia, the second most is Afghanistan. Israel's problem with Iran is not nukes, but that it funds anti-Israel terrorist groups in Lebanon and Syria. But it is a petty problem that Israel is handling just fine. I am pro-Israel, but that means strong weapon export support, vetoing anti-Israel policies in the United Nations, and supporting Israel having a free hand in dealing with areas annexed in 1967 as well as in the failed state of Lebanon. It does not mean picking a fight with large country like Iran over its minor financial support for Hezbollah.

    Replies: @Karl

    >>> It does not mean picking a fight with large country like Iran over its minor financial support for Hezbollah

    You can still buy Iranian pistachios at the main wholesale street market in Jerusalem.

    Israel Air Force destroys 6-7 weapons convoys going to Hezbollah/year. Shayetet 13 stops 1-2 seaborn weapons transits/year. Iran does nothing about it except talk shit.

  148. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jack D

    Ok, then we're talking about on the order of Mariah Carey, who is definitely around 75% white. As in, mostly white, but there's clearly something there, is what you're saying.

    Replies: @BB753, @Former Darfur

    What were the odds of Lena Horne actually passing when even her “whiter”grandchildren can’t? Also, did Lena Horne get a nose job?

  149. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Triumph104

    You don't know if Horne was "only" fifty pecent white, we don't know for certain. She could've been around 60-66% white which would make her kids around 60% solid white at the very least. After all, there are many who pass who are actually majority white. That NYT columnist who originally came from New Orleans and hid from his own family for decades that he was like, 10-20% black origin. Came as a complete surprise to his family who just always assumed he was white. That's what the Lumet daughters look like, like they're white. Being named Jenny and Amy (traditional white names) they most likely don't hang around BET events and try to get in on "Hey, you know we're black too!" a la Barack Obama. They most likely identify as white if only on a subconscious level. (e.g. type of neighborhood live in, schools attended, most of their friends, etc). Amy was married to PJ ORourke and worked in GOP politics for a time, hardly the bastion of African-American culture.

    The Lumet children, daughters of 100% white Sydney Lumet and his 60% white wife, look around 80-90% white. Sort of like pop singer Mariah Carey, who is definitely around 75% white.

    Finish the sentence: 10-15% black = ca.90% white.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    If Lena Horne and her ex-husband were 34-40 percent black then the Lumet grandchildren would be 17-20 percent black. Using your numbers they are still closer to 25 percent black than 10 percent.

    That NYT columnist who originally came from New Orleans and hid from his own family for decades that he was like, 10-20% black origin.

    New York Times columnist Anatole Broyard’s daughter, Bliss Broyard, has a white mother. Bliss took a DNA test on PBS and she is 17 percent black. Video proof in the link.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/profiles/broyard.html

  150. @Yngvar
    @Former Darfur

    "Probably because of “von Neumann” I was misguided."

    Nah, it was your prejudices that got you humiliated.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

    “Nah, it was your prejudices that got you humiliated.”

    My postjudices may have made me incorrect this time, but I’m not humiliated.

    If I’m wrong, show me, and I’ll acknowledge it and move on. That’s what separates people like me from liberals.

  151. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jack D

    Ok, then we're talking about on the order of Mariah Carey, who is definitely around 75% white. As in, mostly white, but there's clearly something there, is what you're saying.

    Replies: @BB753, @Former Darfur

    Have you met Mariah Carey?

    I have, or more correctly, I’ve been within ten feet from her. She was surrounded by the intimidator-thug type of bodyguards. I’ll be the first to acknowledge she has an impressive set of vocal chords, but she has a skin tone that would have made her a no go even if her primadonna behavior didn’t.

    She has to be a pardo, and I doubt she’s 75% white. More than fifty, sure. But she looks a lot better in photos, which in this digital era are all photoshopped, than in person.

  152. @SPMoore8
    @tbraton

    That's a very good analysis. Anyone can see that an article that criticizes the Iran deal is bound to be neocon ammunition. There is nothing particularly scandalous about the idea that politicians hoodwink the American people, the only novelty here is the idea that Svengali-like wordsmiths can turn the American people into zombies. "We wuz robbed!" cries Samuels. Well, that's just too bad.

    Again, I think it is correct to identify this kerfuffle as just more neocon gnashing of teeth. It will hurt the democrats in the integrity department, but it won't help the neocons with the GOP: if he is elected, Trump isn't going to go to war with Iran.

    Replies: @tbraton

    There is a follow-up blog by Larison on TAC on the subject of the Samuels-Rhodes’ interview, “Down the Rabbit Hole With Samuels,” http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/down-the-rabbit-hole-with-samuels/
    The concluding sentence: “Samuels says he stands by his story, and that means that he stands by what many observers have concluded to be fiction.”

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