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  1. Charon says:

    Thank you for ensuring underrepresented groups have a voice and we attempt to decrease data violence.

    Granted, this is obvious, but if you’re going to “have a voice” you should at least attempt to make it marginally coherent.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Biggie Goose
    , @Cato
  2. Google seems to disproportionally hire loons. At some point, this will have to impact corporate performance, right? Google apparently runs on autopilot where its money printing operation (utter dominance of internet ads) permits it to get away with quite a bit of silliness.

    I know extremely smart people who work at Google who become deeply uncomfortable when I ask how exactly what they work on makes any money. In many respects this is admirable as it allows for engineers to pursue technological breakthroughs not constrained by short term monetary constraints.

    In the end, the joke is on me as Google has to know what it is doing, but sometimes I wonder.

  3. From the Wikipedia article about Timnit Gebru’s research. Talk about rediscovering the obvious…

    If the number of pickup trucks outnumbers the number of sedans, the community are more likely to vote for the Republican party.

    • LOL: Cortes, AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Daniel H
    , @interesting
    , @Sean
  4. Biting the hand that feeds you is something PoCs get away with so often that they’re shocked when they face consequences. Sarah Jeong must have thought she was bulletproof when the New York Times put her on its editorial board despite (or perhaps because of) her history of anti-white tweets. She only held that post for a year or so. She was let go after advising a woke reader who disagreed with a Times article not to bother writing a letter to the editor, but to cancel her subscription and tell them why. That’s the only thing they pay attention to, Jeong said.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  5. She appears to be utterly naive and lack everyday savvy.

    • Replies: @Dr. DoomNGloom
    , @Alden
  6. anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:

    B L A C K! is whack.

    • Agree: blaqua
  7. duncsbaby says:

    Data violence is real.

    • Replies: @NOTA
  8. I’m guessing the White “males” who work at Google went around submissively agreeing with their Black coworkers, even though they know better deep inside.

    I keep wondering if it’s a lack of manhood or something else in Silicon Valley.

  9. She looks likes something Jim Henson left on the workshop floor.

  10. Daniel H says:
    @International Jew

    The bigotry of low expectations.

  11. None the wiser after reading that. Did she inadvertently reference Jewish Privilege? Or maybe her replacement is the story.

  12. Herzog says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Or Eritrean (or Tigrayan, which may be in the process of becoming a sub-identity considering itself non-Ethiopian).

  13. Neoconned says:

    Serious question: wtf is “data violence?”

  14. @RichardTaylor

    In my experience it’s a bit of both. Great programmers tend to be more disconnected than the average person from social systems, so they just don’t understand what all of this is about. And that being the case, they kind of trust the status quo/expert opinion, in the same way that if I’m stuck at an airport and they say my Dallas flight is delayed because of storms on the east coast, I just assume that’s the truth. Sure it could be that an engine fell off my plane and they’re making shit up, but how would I know?

    The second part is that they are submissive because they have great jobs at the local programming monopoly run on ad dollars or whatever. Tech monopolies make a big deal about competing to hire the best people for those “100x” programming jobs, but then collude to cut talented programmers’ salaries. This isn’t really a free market, because of the nature of the few monopolies running things. And if they blackball you for basically wrongthink, you’re heading toward reduced opportunities, less interesting projects, and a pay cut.

    This is something I harp on a fair bit: the ability of companies to enforce PC dogma on their employees is predicated on the fact that whatever they lose in terms of output they can gain by maintaining their market power, whether by making voters, regulators, or FedGov happy. All of the people who are surprised that college woke culture has been so easily exported to corporations didn’t understand the game.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  15. Charon says:

    Republicans are unbelievably stupid. It just never ends. Now they’re telling Georgia voters to tip the Senate to the Democrats. Because mumble mumble Trump electoral fraud something. Yep, the one-party state that will ensue will be sure to take up that case…

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/528547-gingrich-lin-wood-and-sidney-powell-are-totally-destructive

  16. wren says:

    It seems to me that China is investing a lot to make smart AI and the US is investing a lot to make dumb AI.

    At least US AI is supported by the Algorithmic Justice League, so has the power of Wakanda behind it.

    Boy will smart China AI get a surprise when it hits US AI Vibrainium, and its vibrant Brain Women and Allies power!

    They won’t know what hit them!

    The power of the Soul Stone algorithmic justice and allies league belongs to US AI!

    No stopping kamala now!!!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/12/03/timnit-gebru-google-fired/

    • Replies: @wren
  17. @Charon

    Snarky junk like this and other comments are why it’s so sweet toninkw what the future holds for you jerks and future if so called “white” people.

    You do know that white females especially the young find your views deplorable and will fight you tooth and nail?

    You people have no future. It is being taught that Edison and other “white” “inventors” stole there “inventions”

    You will be known to history as demons and there is nothing you can do about it

    • Troll: Forbes
  18. TyRade says:

    ‘Data violence’: trans – facts someone, usually from a minority, does not like. Eg. crime by race, obesity by race, childbirth out of wedlock by race, SAT scores by race.
    Sister concept ‘speech violence’. This involves the despicable use of grammar, and sentences, and having verbs agree with their subject. For this is ‘order’, an inherently racist imposition on people of incoherence.

  19. @Clifford Brown

    In the end, the joke is on me as Google has to know what it is doing,

    Why do you assume that?

    If you stumble across., or are given, a free gold mine. it doesn’t necessarily come with free competence.

  20. clyde says:

    Another version of this outrage. How dare google refuse to pay the freight for this useless eater in a fright wig!
    https://venturebeat.com/2020/12/03/google-ai-ethics-co-lead-timnit-gebru-says-she-was-fired-over-an-email/

    btw- Clowns like her are crowding into the public health field, getting the degrees etc.

  21. @International Jew

    Put another way, folks that work hard for a living tend to vote republican.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  22. The paper called out the dangers of using large language models to train algorithms…essentially trained by analyzing language from the internet, which doesn’t reflect large swaths of the global population not yet online, according to the paper. Gebru highlights the risk that the models will only reflect the worldview of people who have been privileged enough to be a part of the training data.

    Maybe google’s AI developers will be forced to fan out across the globe and gather natural language data from habitations in the deep jungles, remote steppes, and vast deserts. If it slows down the development of SkyNet AI, that’s good.

    • Replies: @guest
  23. So, AI is always going to be racist?
    #ifuckinglovescience, bitches!

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  24. danand says:
    @Clifford Brown

    “I know extremely smart people who work at Google who become deeply uncomfortable when I ask how exactly what they work on makes any money.”

    Near on a decade back Google made known that 97% of their employees were on projects that added nothing to the bottom line. Must be liberating to know your life’s work doesn’t matter, it’s all just a hobby.

    I have two acquaintances, a married couple, who both have been employed at Google for near a decade now. In his 1st year of employment the husband changed a bit of code that was “live” for less than 10 minutes. His manager informed him that those minutes had cost Google a little over $1M in revenue, and asked that he use a little more care in the future.

    The couple last year acquired and moved into yet another house, this one a couple of blocks away from Ron Unz’s home; where give or take a million matters little.

    Excerpts from the “fired while black with absolutely no justification from a White privileged company” article on Timnit:

    “Tensions were already running high at Google’s research division. Following the death of George Floyd, a Black man who was killed during an arrest by White police officers in Minneapolis in May, the division held an all-hands meeting where Black Googlers spoke about their experiences at the company. Many people broke down crying, according to people who attended the meeting.”

    Look 👀, the author capitalized White, but perhaps it’s just an exception; on account of being in reference to those awful, bad, worst of the worst types; law enforcement officers.

    “In August, Gebru told Bloomberg News that Black Google employees who speak out are criticized even as the company holds them up as examples of its commitment to diversity. She recounted how co-workers and managers tried to police her tone, make excuses for harassing or racist behavior, or ignore her concerns.”

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Neuday
  25. Spud Boy says:

    Just stop using Google for search people. When they fired James Damore, that was the last straw for me. And don’t use Android. (Say what you want about Apple, but I can tell you from first hand experience, they respect your privacy and they don’t track you for the purpose of pushing advertising at you. You buy Apple’s product, and that’s the transaction. With Chrome, Android, etc, YOU and your privacy are the product.)

    [The only Google product I use is YouTube because I know they lose money on it.]

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
  26. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:

    This woman is behind the 2018 research that AI is more likely to report that a photo of a black woman is a black man than to report that a white woman is a white man.

    Hilariously, I thought she was a he at first, seeing her photo. A YouTube video makes it clear that her voice is genuine female however. She speaks Amharic and is Ethiopian. Anharic has its own alphabet, which is really freaky. Amhara are the second largest ethnic group in Ethiopia. She identifies as black and has the big afro, but she doesn’t really look black to me, and does look a little male.

    Her 2018 research went viral and was an example of what you produce when you don’t have an ideologically diverse research team. The paper basically proves that if you ask AI to identify various photos, it will be inaccurate (even down to sex) more with blacks than with whites. This is true. This is also not how AI is used by the police. The queries will normally be to find all people who the software thinks, for example, are 95 percent confident are matches. This may produce five hits for whites. It may produce zero hits for blacks. The query can be rerun and a black hit can be forced, but the confidence percentage will be low and the results will state that.

    The reason why black faces are harder to ID is that the dynamic range (dark to light tones) is narrower, so less detail can be picked out. The reason why women are sometimes ID’d as men is the above plus the fact that facial sexual dimorphism is less for Africans. White people know this, I think black men know this, but it’s been kind of taboo to say out loud … but if AI comes to the same conclusion, you know that it’s true.

    I don’t know what the recent research was that got her fired, because (pet peeve) no [email protected]@#$% news source links to it. But in general she seems to have the idea that she was a tenured professor at Google or a researcher at a sort of “Google PARC” who could do whatever she wanted without listening to her manager or doing stuff that her group needed done to produce deliverables.

    This is the second or third round of firings for woke insubordination at Google. Things may be looking up. This may be seen in the future at a turning point … or not.

    Apparently she wrote her boss or HR an email with some “WE DEMAND” items, and said she couldn’t work there if she didn’t get her way. HR responded “We accept your resignation.” Hahaha! She’s denying she resigned now. They have the email however. As they say, See you in court. A hundred or two hundred other Googlers now have signed a “WE THE UNDERSIGNED” petition. I expect Google to ignore it, but hope springs eternal: they may fire others.

    • Thanks: Goatweed, PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    , @clyde
    , @danand
  27. Dan Smith says:

    Pass the popcorn please

    • Agree: Abe
  28. @PiltdownMan

    She got Damored, but in a different context. Damore seemed a mildly Aspergy guy trying to make useful suggestions in a hair trigger environment he didn’t understand. He was misunderstood.

    Gebru directly criticized the company and did it as a manager. She seemed to be understood very clearly, but the one who pays the piper calls the tune (and don’t forget it)

    If I get a chance, I’ll read the paper. Ethical AI is a lot about selection bias in the training sets, but Google has a lot of very bright people, so it may have something beyond the obvious.

    @danand
    The pattern seems to be Google protecting its reputation, they will throw anyone under the bus.

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Kratoklastes
  29. Paul Rise says:

    Guys don’t misinterpret her observations –

    She is really saying that when FAANG is able to replace copywriters, screenwriters, editors and reporters entirely with AI, she doesn’t want that to disproportionately fall on the western nations.

    She is just trying to make sure ALL these jobs are replaced by AI ALL OVER the world.

    It is simple fairness and efficiency.

    Next you guys will complain when Amazon rolls out robots to replace all the trades. You don’t want just white guys in the US to be displaced right? We will want to replace all the African, Chinese, Arab plumbers, electricians and plumbers etc too. Otherwise its not fair.

  30. @RichardTaylor

    I’m guessing the White “males” who work at Google went around submissively agreeing with their Black coworkers, even though they know better deep inside.

    For every Damore, there are a legion of true believers. I know both types among tech millennials and sadly, there are many more “blue pilled” . You literally cannot even say “red pilled”.

    • Thanks: RichardTaylor
  31. Flemur says:

    “Timnit wrote that if we didn’t meet these demands, she would leave Google and work on an end date. “We accept and respect her decision to resign from Google.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  32. Jack D says:

    Gebru’s firing had something to do with a paper that she had submitted to the “ACM Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency”, a conference Gebru co-founded.

    Why would you name your conference “FAT”?

    The paper called out the dangers of using large language models to train algorithms that could, for example, write tweets, answer trivia and translate poetry, according to a copy of the document. The models are essentially trained by analyzing language from the internet, which doesn’t reflect large swaths of the global population not yet online, according to the paper. Gebru highlights the risk that the models will only reflect the worldview of people who have been privileged enough to be a part of the training data.

    AI also discriminates in favor of people who can read and write and deprives the illiterate of a voice.

    The logic of egalitarianism always drives us toward rock bottom. It’s impossible to make everyone equally rich because there are just not enough resources on the planet so the only way to make everyone equal is to make them equally poor. This is how every country with an egalitarian mission ends up – the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. Of course the leaders always exempt themselves from the program just like Democrat pols keeps going to restaurants – rules are for the little people.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  33. Jack D says:

    It’s an Orwellian rule of thumb that whenever you add an adjective to a fundamental concept such as “justice” or “violence” you are really trying to obfuscate the fact that your new coinage really means the opposite of what it says – “social justice” is the OPPOSITE of justice. Justice is blind and weighs only the merits of the case at hand – SOCIAL justice peeks and puts its thumb on the scale if it sees the right color, which is not justice at all. “Data violence” involves no actual violence. “Ethical AI” is not AI at all because you have to dummify the AI in order to prevent it from accidentally speaking the truth.

    • Agree: ben tillman, ic1000
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @guest
  34. Jack D says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    She wasn’t let go. They kicked her upstairs by promoting her to a columnist.

    Frankly it’s surprising that they fired Gebru. Her salary means nothing to Google. They should have found something else for her to do where she couldn’t cause any damage, promoted her to Director of Dieversity or something with a title and a desk but nothing to do. But apparently she wouldn’t shut up and kept talking out of turn to non-management employees – corporations can tolerate a lot but not insubordination and rabble rousing from management employees.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Abe
  35. The models are essentially trained by analyzing language from the internet, which doesn’t reflect large swaths of the global population not yet online, according to the paper.

    I wonder what the marketplace demand for translations into click languages such as Bantu is? Sadly I passed up Bantu for Italian in college. I knew I’d go to Rome, not sure I’d go to anywhere in Africa.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  36. I read the thread in r/technology and there were several people in there who wrote that the guy she trashed, Jeff Somethingsomething I forget, is like the one single nice person who works in management at google. Nobody said anything bad about him. A lot of people had shuns for her.

    r/technology is pretty left wing. The consensus there is that Jordan Peterson is a nazi monster puppy abuser.

  37. J.Ross says:

    South Africa The Model. Get ready to get murdered while police laugh, and to get censored if you try to talk about it. But hey, good thing we didn’t do anything to restrict voting or impede our heroic journalists.

  38. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    This is true but data violence is a kind of violence: it is a kind of blood libel, justifying censorship and papering over anti-white violence. It is criminal accessory that the lyingpress, while not reporting on anti-white violence, gives airtime to some word choice.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  39. The sabermetrics crowd would consider data violence any mention of a player’s batting average or won-loss record.

  40. Is there a type of “body armor” for data violence? I was unaware of such a thing and now I’m concerned.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  41. Lot says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Ethnic Somali from Ethiopia. Parts of Ethiopia are 99% Somali. They tried a few times to leave and create a greater Somalia, but lost.

    • Replies: @XRay Manzarek
    , @Herzog
  42. Sean says:
    @International Jew

    https://local.theonion.com/father-wants-only-the-best-for-his-truck-1819566729

    PRINEVILLE, OR—Charles “Chuck” Maurer, a local lumberyard manager and father of two, wants only the very best for his Ford F150 extended-cab truck, the 41-year-old reported Monday. Maurer, seen here with his wife and sons, is dedicated to being a good provider for his Ford F150. “Growing up, my family didn’t have much money,” said Maurer, ignoring his son Cory’s pleas to play catch. “There were lots of things we couldn’t afford, that we had to make do without. But now that I make a good wage, I want my own truck to have all the things my dad’s truck never had.”

    […] “Some men ignore their trucks for years, and then, when rust spots appear, they act surprised,” Maurer said. “By that point, though, it’s too late. So I always tell truck owners to cherish the early years and make the most of them. You can’t undo the damage you do to a truck, and when the warranty expires, you can’t go back in time and relive those years.”

  43. data violence

    Nope. I am not going to click that link because I don’t even want to know.

  44. @Biggie Goose

    You will be known to history as demons and there is nothing you can do about it

    You are absolutely right, because after Whites are gone, civilization will fall and you blacks will be back living in mud huts and attributing all the strange artifacts you find to “demons.”

  45. wren says:
    @wren

    The Algorithmic Justice League and the Brain Women and Allies are real groups, designed to change US AI policy, created by top AI researchers in the US, according to that WaPo arricle.

    • Replies: @wren
  46. @Neoconned

    Formerly known as “hate facts”.
    The only reason they need institutions of “AI ethics” is that every AI, given enough data, becomes racist and sexist.
    They have gotten too intelligent 😛

    • Replies: @Thomas
  47. Timnit Gebru

    Timnit Gebru =

  48. NOTA says:
    @Clifford Brown

    They track the shit out of you to sell ads, and their technical workforce is like 90%+ male and 90%+ white and Asian. (Transwomen probably significantly improve their gender numbers.)

    Given those facts, they *have* to play the super-woke game, be SJWer than thou, etc. The alternative is to be regulated and legislated half to death.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  49. NOTA says:
    @duncsbaby

    The annoying thing is that there are real problems with opaque algorithms screwing someone over because of a built in bias or flaw in the model or training data. This is worth researching and thinking hard about. There’s no reason to make up silly terms like “data violence” here, and doing so just makes it harder for people using that silly terminology to be heard by sensible people.

  50. @Louis Renault

    I knew I’d go to Rome, not sure I’d go to anywhere in Africa

    Asmara is a little bit of Rome in Africa. If Rome were as high up as Aspen. Bring oxygen.

    The Italian architecture that shaped new world heritage site Asmara

    Mussolini, Modernism, And The Architecture Of Asmara

  51. I’ll see your “data violence” and raise you one “data holocaust”.

    • LOL: Spud Boy
  52. @NOTA

    The alternative is to be regulated and legislated half to death.

    By administrations they’ve pissed off. No wonder their lockstep support of Joe En-lai and fear of “disputed” allegations.

  53. Neuday says:
    @Neoconned

    Serious question: wtf is “data violence?”

    data
    [ˈdadə, ˈdādə]
    NOUN
    facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis.

    violence
    [ˈvī(ə)ləns]
    NOUN
    1- behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
    2- strength of emotion or an unpleasant or destructive natural force.

    So what is Data Violence? Facts that make me feel bad.

  54. @Spud Boy

    I used to say Duck Duck Go was just as good as Google but at this point I think it’s significantly better for most of my use cases. Specifically if I want to search for some local service and see them ranked by some way other than how much money they gave the search engine. The only exception is when I’m searching for arcane technical stuff and at that point I usually switch to Google for that specific search. Bit chute and the other video services need a little bit more time in the oven but they are almost there as well.

    If you really want to be a rebel there are linux based smartphones (pine phone for example); this will probably be my next device. And of course laptops you don’t need to be a part of any corporate duopoly, you can just run linux, which for most home users I frankly think is easier due to the lack of crapware.

    • Replies: @Frank McGar
    , @MBlanc46
  55. @Anon

    It is nice to see that even woke Google will put up with only so much whiny entitled POC bs.

  56. Neuday says:
    @danand

    In his 1st year of employment the husband changed a bit of code that was “live” for less than 10 minutes. His manager informed him that those minutes had cost Google a little over $1M in revenue, and asked that he use a little more care in the future.

    I’m highly skeptical that Google doesn’t have an integration testing environment that would’ve caught something that would cost $1M in ten minutes. The days of a developer throwing code directly into Production because it passed his unit test or that he should “be more careful” have been long gone for a long time. Testing code now often takes longer than developing code and aren’t done by the same people, for obvious reasons.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  57. Flemur says:

    FWIW, she doesn’t look like Ethiopians. I wonder what her real background is.

    And again, she wasn’t fired. She quit because google wouldn’t meet her “demands”.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  58. I’m so tired of left-wing neologisms.

    They coin them faster than I can put them on [Ignore].

  59. Abe says:
    @Jack D

    Frankly it’s surprising that they fired Gebru. Her salary means nothing to Google. They should have found something else for her to do where she couldn’t cause any damage, promoted her to Director of Dieversity or something with a title and a desk but nothing to do

    Unfortunately it does not seem to work. All those black girls in the NYT newsroom managed to: 1) force PROJECT 1619 onto America’s “paper of record” 2) out Op-Ed Chief James Bennet 3) exact all other sorts of Black Mischief we have not even heard of

    Given how sympathetic to Gebru the WaPo version of this story was, perhaps Steve’s analogy of blacks as America’s perennial hot-potato applies to the tech world as well? Meaning Amazon, the owner of THE WASHINGTON POST and Google’s direct competitor in terms of cloud platform, is more than happy to nudge Google in the direction of the moral arc of the universe by ensuring it gets its fair share of all that black STEM talent- all for its own good, of course. In fact, Amazon is so altruistic it’ll let Google take MORE than its fair share while it quietly makes do with its boring Asian and mediocre Yamnaya male workforce.

    • Replies: @Abe
    , @Art Deco
  60. @SimpleSong

    Linux has come a looong way. I recovered a laptop 4 years ago, decided to just use it for Internet, streaming, email…basic stuff. So I loaded it up with Linux Mint – the little sucker has been running everyday for the last 4 years with no issues, and I’ve actually been quite impressed with the amount of free (and extremely useful) applications available. Most casual home users wouldn’t miss having Windows or Mac at all.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Spud Boy
  61. Abe says:
    @Abe

    They should have found something else for her to do where she couldn’t cause any damage, promoted her to Director of Dieversity or something with a title and a desk but nothing to do

    I wonder if there is a gender skew to this. “Snide Zeppelin” (black investment banker MeToo’d for nothing more than posing as an exotic photographer to meet white wimenz) seemed content to play his proscribed “this cool black friend brought to you by Goldman Sachs” role until he could cash-out as a hecto-millionaire. Play golf, make HANGOVER III jokes with the big partners, do a modicum of work competently, drive home to your mansion in a Bugatti.

    Black women, as the real work-mules of the traditional African economy, may feel more compelled to do actual work (or at least be seen so by calling the shots) and so chafe more at these cushy DIE sinecures? Gebru was basically promoted to the Sisyphean position of Head Researcher for Why I Nor People Who Look Like Me Can Do the Jobs We’re In. Someone call Albert Camus!

    • Replies: @Jack D
  62. I can see a romantic comedy where Dimwit turns around on the unemployment line and “meets cute” with GPT-3, the embarrassingly un-woke robot from Steve’s Nov. 26 Corporate Wokeness post

  63. May every Woke Corporation become terminally afflicted by a NitWit Dindu of their own design.

  64. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    I don’t buy into that at all. That’s a Leftist argument. Once you call something violence the next step is to ban it.

    Violence is violence. Speech is not violence. Anything may lead to another thing but it is not the thing itself. Liquor leads to violence. Guns lead to violence. Parking spots lead to violence. If “data violence” is used to justify actual anti-white violence, prosecute those who commit the actual violence. As far as I am concerned, they can print all manner of lies in the Washington Post. For that matter, they already do.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  65. Herzog says:
    @Lot

    Definitely not ethnic Somali. The name “Gebru” identifies her as Semitic Christian Ethiopian, or Habesha, as XRay Manzarek calls it.

  66. So Malcolm Gladwell is no longer moonlighting at google?

  67. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Nerdy male programmers are highly unlikely to get a date or a mate on their own. Therefore, when screechy SJW women show up in their workplace, the men just kowtow to them because those are the only dates/mates they’re going to get.

    The CEOs of those companies know you can’t marry off nerd males to beta females. Geeks need to be controlled by an alpha female mate or their offspring will be too feckless to survive.

  68. Anon[275] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flemur

    This paragraph in her letter seems to be important. It appears (if I read it right) that she had hired lawyers last year to sue Google on some point or other. Yeah, that’ll get the higher-ups gunning to get rid of you:

    “I was in the middle of a potential lawsuit for which Kat Herller and I hired feminist lawyers who threatened to sue Google (which is when they backed off–before that Google lawyers were prepared to throw us under the bus and our leaders were following as instructed) and the next day I get some random “impact award.” Pure gaslighting.”

    When your plan for making yourself a success in life is suing your employer for big bucks, of course your employer isn’t going to like it.

  69. Abe says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Ethiopian

    Ethiopia kicked Italy’s butt in the first Italo-Abyssinian War. If you look at upper center-left of the picture, you’ll notice the “we have the Maxim gun / they have not” adage had ceased to apply even before the end of the 1800’s.

  70. Art Deco says:
    @Abe

    All those black girls in the NYT newsroom managed to: 1) force PROJECT 1619 onto America’s “paper of record”

    The 1619 Project is nonsense and working historians told them it was nonsense. The current Sulzberger scion wanted to promote it because it’s an extension of his cartoon version of American history. Nobody can force him to do a bloody thing except perhaps his board.

    • Replies: @keypusher
  71. Spud Boy says:
    @Frank McGar

    That’s good to know, but Macs have no adware installed, they don’t get viruses and will easily last 5 to 8 years before they become obsolete. I see know reason to move from Mac to Linux.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
  72. clyde says:
    @Anon

    Thanks. Very informative!

  73. Twinkie says:

    Slightly OT:

    Don’t compliment black people = you dirty racist, you!

    Compliment black people = you dirty racist, you!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/12/04/racial-microagressions-black-americans

    A while ago, my family was vacationing at a resort in Orlando. My husband was tossing our three young children around in the pool, to their audible delight. I was sitting nearby on a lounge chair, reading a book. There were other parents in the water playing with their children as well.

    After another shriek of laughter from my kids, I looked up and saw a White man, perhaps in his mid-60s, splashing toward my family. He waded up to my 40-something husband and said, loud enough for me to hear as well: “You have such a nice family. It’s so nice to see you playing with your children.”

    My husband and I shared a glance. He could see me getting steamed. I wanted to say something about this man’s offensive statement, but my husband just shook his head and mouthed, “Let it go.”

    The author is this really black woman:

  74. Jack D says:
    @Twinkie

    Black people can vary a lot in their appearance, especially in photographs. Although she is a PROUD black woman, blacks (women especially) like to come across as having “good hair” and pale skin. Steven has shown us many picture of black athletes who get whiter as they get richer, sometimes to a comical, Michael Jacksonesque extent.

    Here is the same woman (center) when she is not trying to look whitish:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSp6c9zX4AA19Gr?format=jpg&name=large

    I don’t think most people realize the amount of effort that black women have to exert to make their hair resemble white hair and not wool. It is a real feat of heat and chemistry and not easily maintained.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
  75. AI noticing things is like the little boy in The Emperor’s New Clothes. How about the most rudimentary things like red light cameras being “racist”?

  76. @Biggie Goose

    Peopke of Color (90%of the world) agree that white men are the scuorge of the earth

    This is one of the many resons why white girls are attractid to Black Men,

    That tells you somthing right there

    I am ovrjoyed that white christians are loosing power and we will bee seeing diversety

    I Wonder what Leonard Pitts is doing right now?

    • Replies: @Spud Boy
  77. @Neoconned

    Serious question: wtf is “data violence?”

    An umbrella term that covers data rape.

    Which often begins with a simple massage, but doesn’t stop there. Keep your statistical knees together at all times.

    • LOL: keypusher
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  78. @Twinkie

    He could see me getting steamed.

    I’m beginning to think Blacks!, peace be upon Them, anger easily.

  79. @Jack D

    I don’t think most people realize the amount of effort that black women have to exert to make their hair resemble white hair and not wool.

    Lol…

    Thanks for the info.

  80. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    Right but they are changing the laws (and are already imposing non-legal [pre-legal] policies) to effect their will. With Harris in office, free speech will be effectively criminalized, on the grounds that it causes violence and therefore is. Meanwhile the argument itself is a kind of enabler of real physical violence, which will go undiscussed.

  81. J.Ross says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Where does Raj Chetty fit into that?

  82. wren says:
    @wren

    It’s a good thing that the US is promoting The Algorithmic Justice League and Brain Women and Allies because the US will need it to defend against Chinese Quantum Dominance.

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-12/04/c_139561941.htm

  83. danand says:
    @Anon

    “…AI is more likely to report that a photo of a black woman is a black man…”

    #130, great post, and it’s a good bet you’re right. A fair part of Timnit’s angst and motivation may have come from being AI identified as a he:

    man

    A tough call even for the most advanced, be it silicon or carbon based.

    To my eye, a more flattering image. Timnit celebrating her acclaim amongst (former) Google colleagues:

    Mit

    • Replies: @anon
  84. @Moral Stone

    Great programmers tend to be more disconnected than the average person from social systems, so they just don’t understand what all of this is about … they kind of trust the status quo/expert opinion, in the same way that if I’m stuck at an airport and they say my Dallas flight is delayed because of storms … I just assume that’s the truth.

    That makes sense. If you are blind to certain realms, you just follow the lead of others.

    This isn’t really a free market, because of the nature of the few monopolies running things. And if they blackball you for basically wrongthink, you’re heading toward reduced opportunities … and a pay cut.

    Almost like Hollywood. The studios have the power. Make a producer mad and you’ll never work in this town again.

  85. Muggles says:
    @Flemur

    And again, she wasn’t fired. She quit because google wouldn’t meet her “demands”.

    I was once in the executive committee of a very small political caucus group. There was an attempted leadership coup (for some no reason other than ego/control) where one of the coup plotters, a wealthy woman, wrote and sent out a six page rambling letter.

    The letter complained about nonsense and seemed to be largely incoherent whining. I skimmed through it in disgust. She and her accomplices were about to narrowly outvote us.

    However my ever diligent wife, who paid little attention to such groups, carefully read the letter in which she said she was “resigning” in the middle of page 4. Then she went on writing her complaints.

    After reading the letter, my wife said, “says here she’s resigned.” I had an aha! moment. I will skip the details but on a subsequent phone call our bare quorum of incumbents carefully proposed a vote to “accept the resignation of a committee member.”

    The coup plotters on the call hadn’t read her letter carefully either, or ignored it. They thought someone else was quitting. So everyone voted to accept the resignation (no name had been specified, as planned). Needless to say when the secretary announced her resignation by name, referencing her letter. the plotters were all shocked and hung up. But they were also gone.

    We don’t think this woman thought her resignation would be taken seriously, or something . So Google did good here. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out honey…

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  86. keypusher says:
    @Art Deco

    Nonsense it may be, but it will be the curriculum in the public schools within a decade.

  87. Muggles says:

    Wasn’t the gist of her complaint about the AI project something like, “we didn’t survey computer messages, emails, tweets, etc. from people in remote or primitive places who don’t use computers”?

    Hence the AI will not reflect their non-existent input in developing Google algorithms to evaluate language expressed on computers.

    Such excluded people of course, are all non White and hence this is racist.

    Of course that conclusion doesn’t follow the premise. If people don’t talk, you can’t evaluate their accents either.

    If the AI project was supposed to be some globally inclusive linguistic analysis of all forms of human language expression, she might have a point. Not about racism but about this being incomplete in some sense. Of course to the Woke everything that might exclude some forest pygmy or illiterate Burmese fisherman is somehow deliberately evil and racist.

    But no one with any sense tells their boss, “my way or the highway for me.” QED

  88. Jack D says:
    @Abe

    Jide Zeitlin was the real thing (even if he did have typical African male white girl cravings – the only explanation for Obama missing out is that he must be gay). He was Nigerian, not ADOS and he was raised by white (Jewish) adoptive parents. Although Zeitlin looks like a typical American black man, he is nothing like them, not by nature and not by nurture. He was, by all accounts an effective CEO at Coach although he did make a few bad investments for Goldman that went bust (e.g. buying all the cell phone towers in India).

    Zeitlin had excellent taste in females. The model that he had a relationship with appears in the promos for the Create TV network and she’s very cute:

    The affair happened over 10 years ago so it’s not clear to me why he deserved to be Me-Tooed now. But under his contract they had the right to boot him because they had an up to date anti- Me Too clause – he represented to the company that he had never sexually harassed anyone ever, etc. and they had grounds for termination based on this false representation. At least he didn’t have to represent that he had EVER been a member of the Communist Party. The thing about witch hunts is that there is no statute of limitations on having been a witch.

    • Thanks: Abe
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  89. MBlanc46 says:
    @SimpleSong

    I use search engines in relation to my work in scholarly publishing. For ordinary items, DDG is fine. But for anything recondite, Google is much better. I hate to use it, but I sometimes have to.

    • Agree: Alden
  90. Cato says:
    @Charon

    She has an Ethiopian name. One of the swarm of immigrant Africans who are more intelligent than our own slave-descended blacks, and who gobble up the affirmative action percs intended for the victims of our own sorry history. You can bet that all of these parasites will be first in line, palms upward, when Biden begins to dole out reparations.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  91. guest says:
    @Lockean Proviso

    “That’s fine and all, Google. But have you listened to the Colors of the Wind?”

  92. guest says:
    @Dr. DoomNGloom

    He in fact wasn’t misunderstood. Even his mild and to some degree unintentional (though yo me it appears he knew what ground he was on) faux pass was enough to get him fired. Illegally. In a Google not yet aware it operated in a nation of laws.

  93. guest says:
    @Jack D

    Weasel Words work like that. Except that instead of the giving the modified term an opposite meaning, it sucks all the meaning out.

    “Data violence,” then, would simply be data. Not violent or peaceful, but data purely and simply.

  94. @Spud Boy

    I’m a linux guy… (Debian is my favorite OS)

    I have built, programmed and fixed computers for 25+ years…

    I’ve tried all sorts of operating systems on all sorts of machines…

    I have encountered viruses on a mac more than a few times…

    (Though it is admittedly rare…)

    I otherwise agree wholeheartedly…

    No need to switch if you are happy…

    Macs are really nice…

    But, Linux has come along way…

    I agree with Frank McGar…

    Linux Mint is really nice…

    I hope you have a nice evening…

  95. @Jack D

    I suppose Google could “enrich” its “large language” sample by including rap lyrics. Or maybe it already does.

    Imagine the horror of an AI picking up iStevisms like “hate hoax”.

  96. anon[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @danand

    The personal is political.

  97. duncsbaby says:
    @Biggie Goose

    Hey, I’m just here for the sweet toninkw. I don’t think that makes me a jerk.

  98. Thomas says:
    @Clifford Brown

    I know extremely smart people who work at Google who become deeply uncomfortable when I ask how exactly what they work on makes any money. In many respects this is admirable as it allows for engineers to pursue technological breakthroughs not constrained by short term monetary constraints.

    This has been an observed phenomenon of monopolies for a long time. They have supracompetitive profits they can plow back into R&D in areas away from the core business. Look at all the stuff that came out of Bell Labs (a division of AT&T, the paradigmatic monopoly in modern American economic history).

  99. black sea says:

    She didn’t realize that the creation of an Ethical Artificial Intelligence Team was just a PR move, and her job was to mouth platitudes not only about the challenges of diversifying the tech industry, but also the lengths that Google was going to to counter these injustices. In other words, the larger society may be evil, but of course Google doesn’t do evil, only good.

    Nobody hires someone to bite the hand that feeds them.

  100. @Dr. DoomNGloom

    Ethical AI is a lot about selection bias in the training sets

    It’s far more about some essay-writers trying to finagle themselves a 6-figure gig with deferred comp, by piggybacking on a technical field.

    Same as ‘Ethical Investing’ – which sounds like it might have something meaningful to say, but in reality mostly involved bromides and platitudes, and stayed well withing its own Overton Window.

    For the longest time these moral paragons would refuse to invest in tobacco or oil companies, but had no problem investing in industrial livestock CAFOs or various Todeskrameren that furnish weaponry to the US Death Machine… Cargill, Monsanto, FLIR, General Dynamics, Lockheed-Martin, DynCorp etc). And of course they saw no ethical problem investing in firms in the illegal settlements in occupied Palestine.

    “Ethical [X]” is bro-code for “a bullshit artist who thinks he can make bank by sticking his oar into [X] and mouthing some platitudes“.

    Fuck ’em all.

    Ethical AI is hobbled AI, and will underperform unconstrained AI. Ethical investing is hobbled investing, and will underperform unconstrained investing.

    Both of those thing must be true, or the ‘Ethical’ constraints must be unnecessary. That’s how constrained optimisation works; a constrained solution is strictly not superior to an unconstrained, unless the constraint is redundant. (Constraints that attempt to drive the optimiser to a region of high likelihood of a local maximum, are just a stupid way to search)

    Those who are prepared to deliberately lose the opening salvos of the newest technological competition in order to score stupid Pokemon points, do a massive disservice to whoever is paying their salaries.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  101. @Jack D

    The model that he had a relationship with appears in the promos for the Create TV network and she’s very cute:

    She looks like a Meg Ryan clone with the colour palette for her face-mud updated to the 21st century. (Neither is a bad thing, but the dead eyes give me the heebie-jeebies).

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  102. Anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    I’m guessing the White “males” who work at Google went around submissively agreeing with their Black coworkers, even though they know better deep inside.

    I keep wondering if it’s a lack of manhood or something else in Silicon Valley.

    Well, I’ll tell you what’s going on.
    1) Humans cannot communicate abstractions over more than a 20 point IQ difference. Try it and see.
    2) Specialists in a field cannot make non-specialists understand the specialization, because understanding takes a decade or so of training / experience.
    3) Consequently, people who claim to explain over more than a 20 point IQ difference are specialists, engaged in showbiz. The recent horror of the various COVID19 models, which were treated like oracles when anybody who has ever made one of those models knows that they are anything but oracles, illustrates my point.

    So, imagine yourself in a class of kindergartners, not very smart ones but highly aggressive, with nursemaids who decide whether you are employed or not. And that’s all that there is; all of society s like that.

    Bingo, you’re in the same situation as the high-end programmer, Dilbert land. You can try to explain to the not very smart / not very well read or experienced, but that just makes them hostile and reduces your income to zero, at least for a time (ref: Damore vs. Google). So, after a while, you take the money, give up on being Dr. Doolittle, and keep silent.

    Quote from _The Chinese Mirror_, Western man’s Chinese wife, trying to get him to fit Chinese society, says “At least, when puppy bark at you, you no bark back”. It gets to be that way.

    Note that I’m not trying here to explain statistical sampling and how it is used to make and monitor models, nor am I trying to explain anything technical. I’m trying to say that when you cannot communicate, you really can’t communicate, Enlightenment doctrine about everybody being able to meet on a common rational ground notwithstanding.
    I will go a bit further. The “common rational ground” of the Enlightenment relied on a universal common ground of fear of death, no more, no less. Rational people (as opposed to some mentally ill people or some highly religious would-be martyrs) fear death (and poverty, which causes early death). That’s the entire emotional basis of Locke, right there. Add to it that productivity produces more and fighting makes poverty (and death) and you have almost all of Locke.

    But having the Enlightenment doesn’t mean you are a universal communicator.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  103. @Muggles

    Never tell them you are quitting unless you have your next job totally lined up.

    The corollary of this is the only way you can get a raise on your own initiative is you tell them you are quitting (and you already have your next job totally lined up.)

  104. Peterike says:

    How much real technology progress are we missing out on because so many big brains are sucked up by crap factories like Google and Facebook?

    Compare them to Bell Labs, the greatest center of true technology innovation in history. With the same financial model: research funded by a monopoly. Bell gave us lasers, communication satellites, transistors, cell phones, Unix, C programming, fiber optics and on and on.

    What has Google done that even remotely compares?

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  105. @Twinkie

    I…saw a White man, perhaps in his mid-60s, splashing toward my family. He waded up to my 40-something husband and said, loud enough for me to hear as well…He could see me getting steamed. I wanted to say something about this man’s offensive statement

    I can’t think of any circumstances under which I would voluntarily interact with a bLaCk woman. The constant seeking of offense, the quickness to anger, the entitlement mentality…no thanks.

    Also, shut up Reg Caesar!

  106. @Kratoklastes

    She is Meg Ryan’s sister, so she oughtta.

  107. @Peterike

    How much real technology progress are we missing out on because so many big brains are sucked up by crap factories like Google and Facebook?

    Virtually zero. Most of these big brains never even did their own homework until after they got to college. They have no innovation capabilities.

  108. MBlanc46 says:

    My father and uncle didn’t go to the Pacific to fight the Japanese, and my old workmates Jack and George didn’t go to Europe to fight the Germans, so that people like this could rule me.

    • Replies: @Peterike
  109. Peterike says:
    @MBlanc46

    “ My father and uncle didn’t go to the Pacific to fight the Japanese, and my old workmates Jack and George didn’t go to Europe to fight the Germans, so that people like this could rule me.”

    Actually, that’s exactly why they did. They just didn’t know it. But the people who sent them did.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  110. MBlanc46 says:
    @Peterike

    Okay. Something on the order of referential opacity. However, if you’d told them that’s why they did what they did, they’d have some very unpleasant words for you. Maybe a bit more.

  111. Anonymous[383] • Disclaimer says:

    In the interests of giving a person a fair hearing, I watched her TED talk (https://youtu.be/PWCtoVt1CJM) and most of it is reasonable enough. The idea about AI systems having data sheets explaining their capabilities and limitations is quite a good one.

    The problem arises when she complains that most developers are white and asian males, as though black people getting poor grades at school, or women generally being more interested in things other than writing software is some sort of conspiracy. She also adds the a non-sequitur at the end of her talk that the people who develop these technologies should resemble the people that use them. As though a system that spots cancer should only be developed by people with cancer….

  112. Alden says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Very few blacks at Google very few Whites either, mostly Indians and Chinese.

  113. Alden says:
    @Biggie Goose

    Anyone who has children or grand children in school knows this is happening right now.

  114. Alden says:
    @PiltdownMan

    She’s just an aristocratic caste affirmative action black woman. They’re all like that from the a lowest government clerk her first week on the job on up.

    There are about 8 affirmative action castes, including handicapped , divided into men and women 16.

    White men are at the lowest level, # 16. White women are #15 but too brainwashed to realize it.

    Transgenders of various types will soon be allotted their slots in the caste system. Right now, the M-Fs and F-Ms are still battling for supremacy. Looks as though the big tall burly broad shouldered overweight M-Fs are winning top place in the American caste system.

    When will the rights of hermaphrodites be acknowledged? When will centuries of discrimination against them be ended?

    Even as I write, unemployed law school graduates are forming legal foundations and applying for grants to rectify this dreadful injustice against hermaphrodites.

  115. Timnit Gebru was cultured from a primordial fungus in Hakan Rotmwrt’s indoor jungle. A synthetic origin would also explain the interest in AI

  116. MEH 0910 says:

    Let’s Crack Zodiac – Episode 5 – The 340 Is Solved!

    On December 3rd, 2020, an international three-person team of codebreakers made a breakthrough with the Zodiac Killer’s unsolved 340-character cipher.
    By December 5th, the team finished cracking the cipher and sent the solution to the FBI.

    This is the full message from the Zodiac Killer that was hidden in the 340-character cipher for 51 years:

    I HOPE YOU ARE HAVING LOTS OF FUN IN TRYING TO CATCH ME
    THAT WASNT ME ON THE TV SHOW
    WHICH BRINGS UP A POINT ABOUT ME
    I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE GAS CHAMBER
    BECAUSE IT WILL SEND ME TO PARADICE ALL THE SOONER
    BECAUSE I NOW HAVE ENOUGH SLAVES TO WORK FOR ME
    WHERE EVERYONE ELSE HAS NOTHING WHEN THEY REACH PARADICE
    SO THEY ARE AFRAID OF DEATH
    I AM NOT AFRAID BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY NEW LIFE IS
    LIFE WILL BE AN EASY ONE IN PARADICE DEATH

    The members of the team that cracked the code are:

    * Sam Blake (Australia)
    * Jarl Van Eycke (Belgium)
    * David Oranchak (USA)

    This video is my attempt to tell the story of this long overdue breakthrough.

    More details are reported in Michael Butterfield’s article here:
    http://zodiackillerfacts.com/news-and-updates/breaking-news-the-zodiacs-340-cipher-has-been-solved/

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