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I got a free ticket to the UCLA-Arizona St. football game at the Rose Bowl last Saturday. Both of L.A.’s college football stadiums, the Rose Bowl (UCLA) and the Coliseum (USC), are enormous 1920s piles with lots of cheap bench seats in the end zones. Nobody would build these kind of non-luxurious stadiums these days, so there are often a lot of tickets left over for charity and group-type events.
It was an entertaining game, with UCLA winning 44-37, although the lengthy TV commercial timeouts after each of the multitudinous scores and for sundry other reasons, robbed much of the momentum for spectators.
Today is the annual USC-UCLA game, which is mostly of interest as the first (and perhaps last) matchup between perhaps the two top SoCal high school quarterbacks of recent years, Josh Rosen of Manhattan Beach and Sam Darnold of San Clemente.
Both are strong NFL prospects. Which one is better? I got denounced in the NYT by Malcolm Gladwell as a bad person a number of years ago for furnishing data to Steven Pinker calling into question Gladwell’s claim that it was impossible to predict which college quarterbacks would thrive in the NFL, but I don’t doubt it is hard.
Rosen certainly looked like a fine college quarterback last week. I didn’t get there until the second quarter, after a bad first quarter following sitting out a game due to a concussion. While I was there, he was close to unstoppable, throwing for over 350 yards in the last three quarters. He has fine technique.
On the other hand, Rosen seemed a little skinny for an NFL quarterback. An excellent technician, he had a superb season as a true freshman in 2015 and was being talked up as the best Jewish quarterback since Sid Luckman of the 1941 Chicago Bears (he’s half-Jewish but looks quite Jewish). But in the two years since, he has been slowed somewhat by injuries.
He’s definitely tough: in the 4th quarter he ran for the goal line on 3rd down but got hammered on two yard line. When he popped up, his face was covered in blood. But he was back on the field a few minutes later to run out the clock.
However, the NFL doesn’t have much sympathy for those weak enough to be injured. When Rosen got hurt last season, opinion on his attitude turned against him. Rosen’s a bright economics major, but the NFL scouts decided bright equaled cocky. They didn’t appreciate him mentioning he had to skip an economics class he’d wanted to take last semester for spring football. And, especially, the football universe did not like Rosen mentioning “Alabama” and “SAT” in the same sentence:
“Look, football and school don’t go together,” Rosen explained. “They just don’t. Trying to do both is like trying to do two full-time jobs. There are guys who have no business being in school, but they’re here because this is the path to the NFL. There’s no other way. Then there’s the other side that says raise the SAT eligibility requirements. OK, raise the SAT requirement at Alabama and see what kind of team they have. You lose athletes and then the product on the field suffers.”
A reasonable point, but what sounds reasonable to guys who really like being economics majors sounds like Bad Attitude and Cocky Loose Cannon to the NFL, especially if they get hurt.
In contrast, USC’s Sam Darnold, who looks kind of like actor Michael Shannon, sat out 2015 as a redshirt. He failed to win the starting job in the summer of 2016, but when he was eventually given a chance last season, he got tremendous results, throwing for 453 yards in the Rose Bowl game.
NFL scouts then fell all over themselves proclaiming Darnold a second coming of Tom Brady who can be counted on to make the gutty winning throw in the big moments out of sheer heart. So never you mind that Darnold has a laborious throwing motion that’s closer to Tim Tebow than Dan Marino, he has the Right Stuff on the inside.
Maybe.
Update: Final score USC 28-UCLA 23, with Rosen throwing some beautiful long completions in a hard-fought loss.
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I watched the second half of the UCLA-Texas A&M game earlier this year, and Rosen was amazing. Throw after throw was right on, and every single one was key because UCLA was down by 34 points!
When I turned it on, they were down 27, but they were in the middle of a really good drive, so I kept it there.
Glad I did.
Rosen is really good.
I saw the Rose Bowl last year too, and Darnold made some NFL throws.
So, yeah Steve, both can play, but remember your old point about which predictions do people most obsess?
Those that are too close to call.
I think Malcolm Gladwell is grossly overrated, but on this, he may have a point: both QB’s have a chance to be very good in the NFL, but neither is a guaranteed star.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400933838
This guy is like iSteve gold:
Wikipedia: Rosen was born to Charles Rosen, an orthopedic spine surgeon, and Liz Lippincott, a former journalist.[4] Rosen’s father is Jewish and was a nationally ranked ice skater who almost qualified for the Winter Olympics in the 1970s, and his mother is a Quaker who was the captain of the Princeton lacrosse team.[5][6] Rosen had a bar mitzvah and identifies as Jewish, saying in 2016: “In retrospect, being Jewish is a big reason why I should have considered UCLA. Just because of how Jewish Hollywood is, and they really want someone to look up to because they just don’t have professional athletes.”[7][8]
His parents’ 1989 wedding announcement is good too:
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/16/style/elizabeth-lippincott-editor-to-wed-charles-david-rosen-an-orthopedist.html
I think most sports commentators consider Darnold the better prospect, and I agree, though I don't watch UCLA very much. I guess I see the similarity between Darnold's and Tebow's throwing motions, in that they both throw like pitchers, but the results are very different. Tebow throws wounded ducks, and Darnold throws darts. And more importantly, he makes quick decisions and has a very quick release. He seems to be able to get the ball out of his hand and down field without much wind-up, like an Arron Rodgers or a Marcus Mariota.
And just one interesting tidbit (out of many others): though Rosen "identifies as Jewish", he attended a Catholic high school. Which school seems to be a football powerhouse. Rosen must have been serious about becoming a big-time football player quite early on.Replies: @Daniel H, @Steve Sailer
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cxqjsyfbcd4
Some links to the original articles:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/can-you-predict-who-will-be-good-nfl/
Seems broken?
https://www.unz.com/isteve/pinker-v-gladwell-on-nfl-quarterbacks/
Is it just me, or are we thrilled and fascinated with highlights videos of college games that would just get laughed out of the NFL? Besides the defensive players being three times the size (there must be an amazing growth spurt between the early 20’s and mid 20’s of the players?), the NFL coaches all know about the surprise plays run in college, been there, seen that, ran that?
Predict all you want, but it looks to me that the college game allows a quarterback to be creative in ways that would be completely get-themselves-killed in a pro game?
The Rosen quote is so, so, so, so, so true.
I wonder why you never hear such things from sports “journalists.”
Are the centers even white?
I doubt any NFL GMs or owners would disagree with him. Some of the others players might get upset, but even most of them have to know it is true. NFL teams are desperate from franchise level quarterbacks, Rosen will get a shot to prove he can play in the NFL.
The war between Team Arthur Blank and Team Jerry Jones should be interesting entertainment. Given the one-sided reporting from the usual suspects, I’m getting the sense that some owners no longer think Jones is their sort of people.
If you come at the King, you better not miss.Replies: @DCThrowback
SC should win being at home. Darnold has fumble problems and sails too many throws. I think Smith-Schuster and Jackson hid many of SC’s weaknesses last season. UCLA can put up pts but is not a good overall team. Both guys are tough and can make plays. They don’t want to play too well, though, and have the Browns draft one of them.
I don’t know much about either of these QBs, but the comparisons that so-called experts make to Tom Brady always make me chuckle. He was a sixth round pick coming out of U-M, and no one thought he would be an NFL star, let alone the “G.O.A.T.” The best anyone ever said was he was “competent” and would “play” in the NFL. Even Lloyd Carr’s praise was less than effusive, saying he would be like Brian Griese.
BTW, when did goat (the guy who lost the game because of one or more bad plays) become the “Greatest of All Time”? I had a tough time explaining that to my 12 year old son.
I suspect Tampa Bay wished they’d drafted an econ major at the QB position.
Steve, the commercials also kill the momentum for the teams. I think the Buffalo Bills and their then unusual “hurry up” offense would have fared better against the NY Giants in Super Bowl XXV if the near constant commercial breaks hadn’t slowed them and allowed the Giants to catch their breath and reset. In their next three consecutive Super Bowl losses the Bills were more pretender than contender. And to paraphrase former Ohio State quarterback Cardale Jones…”I didn’t come here to go to class, I came here to play football.”
Steve, as a Southern California native you may not have realized that over the past 30 years, college sports fans increasingly have lost interest in the Pac. A few years ago, the sports internet lit up with a list of the Power 5 total number of TV viewers in each revenue sport (Football and basketball). I recall the order:
football – 1) SEC; 2) Big Ten; 3) ACC; 4) Big 12; 5) Pac
basketball – 1) Big Ten; 2) ACC; 3) SEC; 4) Big 12; 5) Pac.
The Pac was a distant # 5 in each sport. The ‘distant’ surprised me. I also was surprised that the ACC was #3 in football viewers, and that was before Florida State won its last national championship and before Notre Dame began playing 5 ACC teams per year.
So, your focus on the game as being about little more than the 2 QBs and their NFL possibilities is spot on.
Way OT, but come on, you have to touch this one:
Ohio governor candidate boasts of sexual history with ‘approximately 50 very attractive females’
Details about his “gorgeous blondes” etc. He comes out pretty hard against women having regrets years later. This guy’s career is toast but way to flame out.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/16/style/elizabeth-lippincott-editor-to-wed-charles-david-rosen-an-orthopedist.htmlReplies: @Ryan Andrews, @International Jew, @PV van der Byl, @Anonym, @Triumph104
Darnold also comes from a family of athletes. And his grandfather was one of the original “Marlboro man” cowboys (ESPN anchors brought this up in every USC game last year).
I think most sports commentators consider Darnold the better prospect, and I agree, though I don’t watch UCLA very much. I guess I see the similarity between Darnold’s and Tebow’s throwing motions, in that they both throw like pitchers, but the results are very different. Tebow throws wounded ducks, and Darnold throws darts. And more importantly, he makes quick decisions and has a very quick release. He seems to be able to get the ball out of his hand and down field without much wind-up, like an Arron Rodgers or a Marcus Mariota.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/16/style/elizabeth-lippincott-editor-to-wed-charles-david-rosen-an-orthopedist.htmlReplies: @Ryan Andrews, @International Jew, @PV van der Byl, @Anonym, @Triumph104
No kidding!
And just one interesting tidbit (out of many others): though Rosen “identifies as Jewish”, he attended a Catholic high school. Which school seems to be a football powerhouse. Rosen must have been serious about becoming a big-time football player quite early on.
I heartens me that their are still institution that stick to their guns and won't compromise their mission for fleeting earthly glory.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/16/style/elizabeth-lippincott-editor-to-wed-charles-david-rosen-an-orthopedist.htmlReplies: @Ryan Andrews, @International Jew, @PV van der Byl, @Anonym, @Triumph104
So he is a Wharton as well as a Lippincott descendent. That would be quite a distinction on the Main Line!
Steve, This is what football looked like in 1967 at Columbia University. A cuz was attending Columbia (he wrote books still on Amazon) so we had tickets. The away team was Harvard. The score was low maybe 17-14 w Harvard wining. This game took place right about now in November. The Columbia University stadium (such as it was) was all cold cold 2ft x 2ft concrete steps to sit on. They were “literally steps” and I mean this. My father and me should have brought cushions like the people nearby us had. (We felt excluded from the waspy country cushion club I think)
I will amend this to 18″ by 18″ concrete steps.
Of course, Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield is likely to win the Heisman (barring a collapse in the next two games), but he’s typically seen as not really an NFL kind of QB. Although that may be slightly changing – I saw a report a couple of weeks ago that scouts are maybe looking at him as a new Drew Brees, not as tall and big as you really want, but never gives up and can find ways to win.
Just goes to show the large differences between most of the college game and the pro game. I wish the colleges would move further away from the pro game and force the NFL to start its own farm system. I got my engineering degree at a well-known football/basketball/baseball school, and the only athlete from any of those sports in any of my classes was a fourth-string cornerback who was getting a mechanical engineering degree. He was a pretty good student but was barely hanging on to his spot on the team. The other athletes of the premier sports were mostly separated from the hot polloi. Famed Dallas-Fort Worth sportswriter Blackie Sherrod used to advocate for colleges going back to single-platoon football to get better student-athletes; if he were still alive today, I’m sure he would be called racist for such a suggestion.
How ’bout them Huskers?
I don’t follow the sport so I can’t comment on the capabilities of the two quarterbacks. I do notice that neither is African.
Another observation from this spring is that I happened to watch a little of the NFL draft on TV. It resembled the presentation of tributes in Panem. More than a little.
Cardale Jones provided a rare moment of truth in the collegiate football ranks. Will he graduate as an illiterate? That was the fate of some UCLA football players a few generations before Rosen was born.
In Miami, folks still lament the demise (ten years ago now) of the old Orange Bowl. (The Hurricanes played there from 1937 to 2007, as did the Dolphins from 1966 to 1986.)
The noise level in that building was incredible. The Dolphins stadium simply isn’t the same.
(Not to mention that it’s way up on the Dade-Broward line. The Orange Bowl – now the site of the Marlins stadium – was not too terribly far from the UM campus.)
A lot of people are hoping that when – not if – the Marlins train wreck rolls on to greener pastures, that spot will be reclaimed as a college-football venue.
College sports are as corrupt and disgraceful as the NFL. Why do people pretend it is otherwise?
So what you saying is.. maybe the reason a lot of predictions regarding football fail, is that the persons making them are jackasses (or worse, ESPN thots).
Says here…
http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/a-beautiful-brash-mind/
…that Rosen is a courageous type unafraid to speak his mind. Like the time he went golfing on one of Donald Trump’s courses and wore a hat that said “Fucκ Trump”. Courageous, uh-huh.
And just one interesting tidbit (out of many others): though Rosen "identifies as Jewish", he attended a Catholic high school. Which school seems to be a football powerhouse. Rosen must have been serious about becoming a big-time football player quite early on.Replies: @Daniel H, @Steve Sailer
There is a St. John Bosco Catholic school in New Jersey, which is also a high school football powerhouse. Occasionally ranked in the top 10-20 or so nationally. I am sure they admit non-Catholics. My Catholic high school on Long Island, on the other hand, would not admit non Catholics to the school. And they would go as far as expelling some student who acted up an declared himself an atheist. This school’s sister school (run by the same brothers, but co-ed) expelled a student a few years ago who upped and converted to Islam during summer break. He had the temerity to show up in September declaring himself a muslim and wearing some of those funny clothes that muslims wear. He was called down to administration and told he had to leave, forthwith, as in IMMEDIATELY!
I heartens me that their are still institution that stick to their guns and won’t compromise their mission for fleeting earthly glory.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/16/style/elizabeth-lippincott-editor-to-wed-charles-david-rosen-an-orthopedist.htmlReplies: @Ryan Andrews, @International Jew, @PV van der Byl, @Anonym, @Triumph104
It never gets old.
Some links to the original articles:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/can-you-predict-who-will-be-good-nfl/
Seems broken?
https://www.unz.com/isteve/pinker-v-gladwell-on-nfl-quarterbacks/
Off-topic: The AC/DC band is having some fatal family outcomes.
http://www.oann.com/acdc-founder-malcolm-young-dead-at-64/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
The Easybeats were good. The Youngs had talent in their family, and George went on to Flash N the Pan.
(Not the George Alexander of the Flamin' Groovies, though; he's American. BTW, Groovies' leader Cyril Jordan's odd look is explained by an Indonesian mother.)
I have both of Grapefruit's albums. The first came out in 1968 and looked and sounded more like 1965, kind of a Beatles/Hermits/DC5/Dreamers pastiche. On the second, they'd completely switched gears, Disraeli gears evidently, as they now looked and sounded like Cream. (Complete with a "station" song.) Not a great career move.
One of the Swettenham brothers said that Lennon and McCartney had offered Grapefruit songs, but the boys turned them down because they didn't want to be suspected of being a front for them.
Alexander Young passed away in 1997. Are the Youngs dying in chronological order? The Gibbs seem to be dying in reverse-chronological order-- Andy, Maurice, Robin... Barry is still here. How about their older sister?Replies: @anonymous
I heartens me that their are still institution that stick to their guns and won't compromise their mission for fleeting earthly glory.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber
I can remember going to Notre Dame HS games at St. John Bosco, where Rosen went recently, in the 1970s and getting terribly lost on the way back. Has anybody ever mentioned that there are a lot of freeways in Southern California?
That's amusing. You are from Los Angeles, it's your home town.
For anybody who grew up in the New York area I think it would be almost impossible to not be able to follow the macro directions (highways), and get within a a few miles of your destination. From there you could have a little trouble. New York has enough highways, but not that many.
I have been in Los Angeles once in my life. I hit Fontana at 7:00 a.m., I figured another 45 minutes to my destination, Santa Monica. I didn't arrive in Santa Monica until 11:00 a.m. I can't believe people deal with that every day, at least twice per day.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/16/style/elizabeth-lippincott-editor-to-wed-charles-david-rosen-an-orthopedist.htmlReplies: @Ryan Andrews, @International Jew, @PV van der Byl, @Anonym, @Triumph104
That statement is nothing but pure bluster. There are so few senior-level pairs and ice dancers in the US that most years they don’t even have to participate in the regional and sectional qualifying competitions. They just fill out an entry form and show up at Nationals. Charles Rosen didn’t compete at the 1972 Nationals, which served as the Olympic selection competition. Perhaps he competed at the 1976 Nationals, but there is no listing of competitors online.
Another article says that Charles Rosen was ranked nationally in the top ten. Well, at last year’s Nationals three of the 12 senior pairs teams scheduled to skate withdrew so the remaining teams all ended up ranked in the top nine nationally. (LINK)
Fashion designer Vera Wang is another one who like to talk about how she almost went to the Olympics. She was a pairs skater, but never competed as a senior, only a junior.
Just goes to show the large differences between most of the college game and the pro game. I wish the colleges would move further away from the pro game and force the NFL to start its own farm system. I got my engineering degree at a well-known football/basketball/baseball school, and the only athlete from any of those sports in any of my classes was a fourth-string cornerback who was getting a mechanical engineering degree. He was a pretty good student but was barely hanging on to his spot on the team. The other athletes of the premier sports were mostly separated from the hot polloi. Famed Dallas-Fort Worth sportswriter Blackie Sherrod used to advocate for colleges going back to single-platoon football to get better student-athletes; if he were still alive today, I'm sure he would be called racist for such a suggestion.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anonymous
that scouts are maybe looking at him as a new Drew Brees
Some scouts are calling Baker Mayfield “the white Russell Wilson” because he’s short and he transferred schools
Sounds like a long time ago. But the SF Chronicle last Sunday interviewed Bob Wilhelm, who was on the 1938 Rose Bowl champion “Thunder Team” at Cal. The last one they won. (So Minnesota and Indiana, don’t feel so bad.)
http://www.sfchronicle.com/college/jenkins/article/Survivor-recalls-Cal-s-last-Rose-Bowl-win-12350465.php
Only two of Cal’s players cracked 200 lbs. Helmets were still leather. Wilhelm was a dead ringer for Ronald Reagan.
Wilhelm played against Jackie Robinson in 1939. UCLA won that one. He was 100 and a day when the article ran.
football - 1) SEC; 2) Big Ten; 3) ACC; 4) Big 12; 5) Pac
basketball - 1) Big Ten; 2) ACC; 3) SEC; 4) Big 12; 5) Pac.
The Pac was a distant # 5 in each sport. The 'distant' surprised me. I also was surprised that the ACC was #3 in football viewers, and that was before Florida State won its last national championship and before Notre Dame began playing 5 ACC teams per year.
So, your focus on the game as being about little more than the 2 QBs and their NFL possibilities is spot on.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian
Time zones matter a lot more in an era of televised sports. USC-UCLA games were huge in the 1960s when the build-up games were largely covered in the newspapers on Sunday morning. But night games on the West Coast don’t make the 10 pm or 11 pm sports highlight shows in the Eastern and Central time zones.
I can see it wasn’t you. Columbia wouldn’t have tolerated such a sentence in 1967. But at least it wasn’t “should of”.
http://www.oann.com/acdc-founder-malcolm-young-dead-at-64/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterThe Easybeats were good. The Youngs had talent in their family, and George went on to Flash N the Pan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgOMxTxWPuQReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous
Oldest brother Alexander, who was already grown when the Young family moved to Australia from Scotland, was a member of Grapefruit, who John Lennon at the time said was his favorite band. For some odd reason, he borrowed little brother’s name and went by “George Alexander”.
(Not the George Alexander of the Flamin’ Groovies, though; he’s American. BTW, Groovies’ leader Cyril Jordan’s odd look is explained by an Indonesian mother.)
I have both of Grapefruit’s albums. The first came out in 1968 and looked and sounded more like 1965, kind of a Beatles/Hermits/DC5/Dreamers pastiche. On the second, they’d completely switched gears, Disraeli gears evidently, as they now looked and sounded like Cream. (Complete with a “station” song.) Not a great career move.
One of the Swettenham brothers said that Lennon and McCartney had offered Grapefruit songs, but the boys turned them down because they didn’t want to be suspected of being a front for them.
Alexander Young passed away in 1997. Are the Youngs dying in chronological order? The Gibbs seem to be dying in reverse-chronological order– Andy, Maurice, Robin… Barry is still here. How about their older sister?
Just goes to show the large differences between most of the college game and the pro game. I wish the colleges would move further away from the pro game and force the NFL to start its own farm system. I got my engineering degree at a well-known football/basketball/baseball school, and the only athlete from any of those sports in any of my classes was a fourth-string cornerback who was getting a mechanical engineering degree. He was a pretty good student but was barely hanging on to his spot on the team. The other athletes of the premier sports were mostly separated from the hot polloi. Famed Dallas-Fort Worth sportswriter Blackie Sherrod used to advocate for colleges going back to single-platoon football to get better student-athletes; if he were still alive today, I'm sure he would be called racist for such a suggestion.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anonymous
Hot Polloi would be a good band name!
Fat lot of good it did ‘em.
BTW, when did goat (the guy who lost the game because of one or more bad plays) become the "Greatest of All Time"? I had a tough time explaining that to my 12 year old son.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Right, a lot of the Darnold comments from NFL scouts are that he has “intangibles” like Brady.
Perhaps.
>>I can remember going to Notre Dame HS games at St. John Bosco, where Rosen went recently, in the 1970s and getting terribly lost on the way back.
That’s amusing. You are from Los Angeles, it’s your home town.
For anybody who grew up in the New York area I think it would be almost impossible to not be able to follow the macro directions (highways), and get within a a few miles of your destination. From there you could have a little trouble. New York has enough highways, but not that many.
I have been in Los Angeles once in my life. I hit Fontana at 7:00 a.m., I figured another 45 minutes to my destination, Santa Monica. I didn’t arrive in Santa Monica until 11:00 a.m. I can’t believe people deal with that every day, at least twice per day.
football - 1) SEC; 2) Big Ten; 3) ACC; 4) Big 12; 5) Pac
basketball - 1) Big Ten; 2) ACC; 3) SEC; 4) Big 12; 5) Pac.
The Pac was a distant # 5 in each sport. The 'distant' surprised me. I also was surprised that the ACC was #3 in football viewers, and that was before Florida State won its last national championship and before Notre Dame began playing 5 ACC teams per year.
So, your focus on the game as being about little more than the 2 QBs and their NFL possibilities is spot on.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian
“…college sports fans increasingly have lost interest in the Pac.”
Pro football fans will never lose interest in the Pack.
I’d take Darnold over Rosen. Rosen has bad karma bc he hates Trump. Also people that hate Donald Trump have various character flaws. MAGA
If Tampa couldn’t see how weird and off putting Jameis was then they deserve to wallow in last place. Even that name FFS….
(Not the George Alexander of the Flamin' Groovies, though; he's American. BTW, Groovies' leader Cyril Jordan's odd look is explained by an Indonesian mother.)
I have both of Grapefruit's albums. The first came out in 1968 and looked and sounded more like 1965, kind of a Beatles/Hermits/DC5/Dreamers pastiche. On the second, they'd completely switched gears, Disraeli gears evidently, as they now looked and sounded like Cream. (Complete with a "station" song.) Not a great career move.
One of the Swettenham brothers said that Lennon and McCartney had offered Grapefruit songs, but the boys turned them down because they didn't want to be suspected of being a front for them.
Alexander Young passed away in 1997. Are the Youngs dying in chronological order? The Gibbs seem to be dying in reverse-chronological order-- Andy, Maurice, Robin... Barry is still here. How about their older sister?Replies: @anonymous
Grapefruit’s first was kind of groovy.
When I turned it on, they were down 27, but they were in the middle of a really good drive, so I kept it there.
Glad I did.
Rosen is really good.
I saw the Rose Bowl last year too, and Darnold made some NFL throws.
So, yeah Steve, both can play, but remember your old point about which predictions do people most obsess?
Those that are too close to call.
I think Malcolm Gladwell is grossly overrated, but on this, he may have a point: both QB's have a chance to be very good in the NFL, but neither is a guaranteed star.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400933838Replies: @Steve Sailer
Right. My guess is that neither will become a “franchise quarterback” — i.e., one of the top 10-12 quarterbacks in the NFL, one of those guys who is good enough that you always have a chance.
But that’s just because only about 1 to 1.5 franchise quarterbacks emerge each season, so the odds for even two good prospects like the Beach Town Two aren’t good.
http://www.oann.com/acdc-founder-malcolm-young-dead-at-64/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterThe Easybeats were good. The Youngs had talent in their family, and George went on to Flash N the Pan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgOMxTxWPuQReplies: @Reg Cæsar, @anonymous
Et in Arcadia ego …
The concerning thing for the NFL is that with the proliferation of the spread offense that number might shrink from 10-12 to 5-6. The cohort of great QBs after Rodgers should have appeared by now but it hasn’t.
Damned autocorrect…but sometimes it comes up with a deeper truth, like “hot polloi” for “hoi polloi”, or suggesting Frankenstein when I was writing about Al Franken.
Both those two stadiums can still pack over 100,000 in attendance. The Rams (or Chargers) should make one of those stadiums their home field for the long haul. Don’t understand why the Super Bowl hasn’t been played in either stadium in quite a while.
Was out in LA about five years ago, around this time. The annual USC vs UCLA game was being played that week. There was a line along the main road leading toward the stadium that stretched for nearly ten miles. Apparently the Bruins vs Trojans rivalry is as big as the Ohio State vs Michigan game.
May the best team win.
Btw, about ninety years ago, a young USC guard was dropped from the Trojans. His name was Marion Morrison.
Unfortunately last year the state of California decided not to create a state wide day in his honor.
Didn’t the NFL originally pass on a fairly unknown QB back in 2000 named Tom Brady? He wasn’t drafted until the sixth round at #199. That sounds a bit like “Him? Nah, he won’t do, he’ll never make it.”
Regarding the future of NCAA prospects (and not just QBs), sometimes the NFL blows it big time.
I heartens me that their are still institution that stick to their guns and won't compromise their mission for fleeting earthly glory.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ScarletNumber
The one in NJ is formally named Don Bosco Preparatory High School. They fired their long-time coach to bring in alum Mike Teel, the former Rutgers QB. It may work out long term but this year they went 2-8.
Ohio governor candidate boasts of sexual history with ‘approximately 50 very attractive females’
Details about his "gorgeous blondes" etc. He comes out pretty hard against women having regrets years later. This guy's career is toast but way to flame out.Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Tony
Biz, try to imagine the hoops the MSM would be jumping through if the candidate was gay and his partners were nubile young men.
Yep. Brady got drafted in the 6th round and he’s still mad.
Michael Jordan was the same way. Invent things to get ticked off about when such things are either nonexistent or should have been let go years before.
Wrong ESP by you/I was there.
He is a baller and from what I can tell, the brothers dig him (well as much as possible in today’s Obummer world).
Greatest of All Time. Often the greatest have special inner motivations to help spur them on during the good times. This helps to take their game to the next level.
Michael Jordan was the same way. Invent things to get ticked off about when such things are either nonexistent or should have been let go years before.
Steve, Cal has a white running back named Laird who has 140 yds. against Stanford, in the 3rd quarter.
Roman Gabriel, Phillip Rivers, and Russell Wilson certainly made an impact on the NFL.
21-17 now USC with 9 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Good game. Commentator says Darnold would be a #1 pick and Rosen #4.
Ohio governor candidate boasts of sexual history with ‘approximately 50 very attractive females’
Details about his "gorgeous blondes" etc. He comes out pretty hard against women having regrets years later. This guy's career is toast but way to flame out.Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Tony
Take a look at this guy. That face is not screaming out charming jerkboy. His name is O’neill so chances are he aint a “big” man. Only thing I can figure its the power that comes with being a judge that turns the women on. Either that or he’s full of it.
And just one interesting tidbit (out of many others): though Rosen "identifies as Jewish", he attended a Catholic high school. Which school seems to be a football powerhouse. Rosen must have been serious about becoming a big-time football player quite early on.Replies: @Daniel H, @Steve Sailer
Josh Rosen’s parents had him on a path to be a tennis star, but he got bored with tennis and went into football.
Nah, it was pre-groovy. Totally 1964. Except for the one single, Dear Delilah, which was a sop to 1967.
http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/a-beautiful-brash-mind/
...that Rosen is a courageous type unafraid to speak his mind. Like the time he went golfing on one of Donald Trump's courses and wore a hat that said "Fucκ Trump". Courageous, uh-huh.Replies: @Neil Templeton
That’s when you put on your own hat that says “You don’t know shit, kid.”
My call is that Rosen is far and away the better pick. Two reasons. Rosen has the predatory beak and piercing eyes, and Darnold ain’t got the “quick and right decision under pressure” move when things go wrong. Of course I’m not an NFL scout…
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As a Giant fan I would love if Rosen was our next QB.
Pasadena would never allow an NFL team to play there.
If it's good enough for the Trojans, it should be good enough for the Rams. Just read that former USC and PIT WR Lynn Swann is the athletic director.
From Super Bowls, World Series games, NCAA games, Olympics, the Coliseum has it all, including tons of history and class.
Get a petition for the Rams to stay at the Coliseum on a permanent basis. If its just about luxury boxes, they can be built to accommodate the powers that be.
Judging from last night's game, it appears that the Bruins still have a lot of work to do if they want to win the PAC-12. Don't realize the difference having a good QB can make, but how does one replace Garrett Hundley? Not so easily.
Translation: everyone seems to like him and I don’t know why but I’m too afraid to say so.
Jerry Jones was the leading voice for moving the two NFL franchises to Los Angeles, which hasn’t gone over that well. That’s a lot of money they were planning on making, that probably won’t happen. And it might get even worse when the Oakland franchise moves to Las Vegas.
If you come at the King, you better not miss.
(He also broke the story that the King - Riggs "battle of the sexes" was rigged and publicly shares that as much as possible. I really like and respect him.)
Roger Goddell makes $45M/year because his job is to ride herd on 32 unmanageable egos. I am not a fan of the guy, but I wouldn't say his job is easy either. And when people are mad at the NFL, they go after Goddell, never mind he's taking orders from one faction or another, as Z-man noted above. It's a fine tightrope he walks.
So, what's my f**king point? Summing up all of DVN's work, Kraft's Patriots had pushed the envelope on cheating so far that teams essentially had enough by Deflategate (Goodell protected the league from the monster reveal of the Pats taping the Rams practices during first super bowl win (among all the other cheating that took place). He burned the tapes, docked them a first round draft pick and called it a day.)) Several anon owners had enough and hounded Goodell to really go after them for Brady's under-inflated footballs. So he did. Of course, there was a lot of reasonable doubt on this story, and the NFL's overzealous pursuit (on behalf of a number of owners) made Goodell look really bad. But he eventually got his man. This same cabal like wanted to bring Jones down a notch for the portrayals as the "guy that makes the NFL go". Hence, the overzealous pursuit of Zeke Elliott for a 6 game suspension for abuse that not even the police would pursue. The Cowboys were due to regress this year after going 13-3 last year, but 5-5 and likely not a playoff team is a bigger fall than most anticipated. So Jones responded w/ trying to get Goodell non-renewed, releasing Goodell's contract demands publicly and goading Papa John's into saying they were going to cut back advertising. AS THE WORLD TURNS!
TL;DR: the NFL owners are billionaire high school girls. (Who like need to stop being fascinated w/ their talent and take the hardline on the patriotism stuff. As Goodell himself said, "No one watches an NFL game to be preached at.")
Correct you are Reg. “I” is the proper usage. I had excellent English teachers in my public schools and don’t know how I put “me” in there.
Too f’ing dilapidated to showcase on 4K TVs
But it’s another not-so-SoCal boy, Jake Browning, now at Pac 12 rival Washington who has better stats and ranks higher in quarterback ratings than either of these two fellows.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr
He too had a stellar career in high school, in fact, his numbers put Rosen in the shade. From Wiki:
“Browning attended Folsom High School in Folsom, California. Browning set numerous national and state records during his high school career. In 46 games, he completed 1,191 of 1,708 attempts for 16,775 yards and 229 touchdowns, all California records. The 229 touchdowns also broke the national record previously held by Maty Mauk who had 219.[2][3] As a senior, he threw for a national record 91 touchdown passes. He also passed for a California record 5,790 yards, which broke his record from his junior year. Browning was the Gatorade Football Player of the Year his junior and senior year.”
Go Dawgs!
Prescriptivism is something only assholes aspire to.
Then the LA Memorial Coliseum it is. And the Coliseum has been host to several Super Bowls, so there’s no reason the Rams can’t stay there on a more permanent basis. Wasn’t it just renovated recently? As an historic landmark, LA can’t tear it down.
If it’s good enough for the Trojans, it should be good enough for the Rams. Just read that former USC and PIT WR Lynn Swann is the athletic director.
From Super Bowls, World Series games, NCAA games, Olympics, the Coliseum has it all, including tons of history and class.
Get a petition for the Rams to stay at the Coliseum on a permanent basis. If its just about luxury boxes, they can be built to accommodate the powers that be.
Judging from last night’s game, it appears that the Bruins still have a lot of work to do if they want to win the PAC-12. Don’t realize the difference having a good QB can make, but how does one replace Garrett Hundley? Not so easily.
Not so dilapidated that the Olympics are going to be held there in ’28. Good enough for the Olympics, it’s good enough for the Rams to stay there.
Brady’s “intangibles” didn’t prevent him from getting drafted in the sixth round at #199. Boy, were the experts wrong on that one.
I just listened to the Ball kid’s statement after he was released from a Chinese jail. Rosen making any cracks or implications about UCLA’s athletic intellectual superiority has to be a joke. Ball sounded exactly like the incoherent stereotypical hood rat and that was while reading a prepared statement.
Seriously, the kid sounds dumber than a box of rocks and I am fairly positive that Alabama’s student athletes are at least as articulate if not more so.
Seriously, the kid sounds dumber than a box of rocks and I am fairly positive that Alabama's student athletes are at least as articulate if not more so.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ScarletNumber
Right, this whole myth that UCLA student-athletes are a cut above the other NCAA uh, teams, is utterly ridiculous. Anyone really think that John Wooden and Ben Howland didn’t look the other way in regards to those they recruited so that the Bruins could contend for the Final Four?
Yeah, sure they didn’t look the other way. Guess that’s the price to pay for diversity. And at least in basketball, it’s fewer recruits than in football.
Wasn’t there an article a few years ago that basically said that if one were to subtract all the African-American athletes at UCLA, the already paltry number of blacks on the main campus would basically be next to nil? It was some incredible percentage, say, around 30-45% of all UCLA black student undergrads were there because they were athletes. Minus them from the campus, and UCLA becomes a lot more whiter. And Asian. And some Latinos. But basically fewer blacks than the paltry percentage that currently is enrolled at the school.
I mean, its a nice looking campus, and of course UCLA is well respected in many academic disciplines. What’s a shame, however, is that sometimes its reputation as an NCAA powerhouse tends to overshadow the university’s original mission: to educate the US’s (CA in particular) young men and women students.
Seriously, the kid sounds dumber than a box of rocks and I am fairly positive that Alabama's student athletes are at least as articulate if not more so.Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @ScarletNumber
To be fair, football and basketball are different sports.
If you come at the King, you better not miss.Replies: @DCThrowback
Only a select few palace scribes have sources that are team owners. Don Van Natta Jr is one. His accounts of the NFL palace intrigue have been best in breed. (@DVNJR on the twatter.)
(He also broke the story that the King – Riggs “battle of the sexes” was rigged and publicly shares that as much as possible. I really like and respect him.)
Roger Goddell makes $45M/year because his job is to ride herd on 32 unmanageable egos. I am not a fan of the guy, but I wouldn’t say his job is easy either. And when people are mad at the NFL, they go after Goddell, never mind he’s taking orders from one faction or another, as Z-man noted above. It’s a fine tightrope he walks.
So, what’s my f**king point? Summing up all of DVN’s work, Kraft’s Patriots had pushed the envelope on cheating so far that teams essentially had enough by Deflategate (Goodell protected the league from the monster reveal of the Pats taping the Rams practices during first super bowl win (among all the other cheating that took place). He burned the tapes, docked them a first round draft pick and called it a day.)) Several anon owners had enough and hounded Goodell to really go after them for Brady’s under-inflated footballs. So he did. Of course, there was a lot of reasonable doubt on this story, and the NFL’s overzealous pursuit (on behalf of a number of owners) made Goodell look really bad. But he eventually got his man. This same cabal like wanted to bring Jones down a notch for the portrayals as the “guy that makes the NFL go”. Hence, the overzealous pursuit of Zeke Elliott for a 6 game suspension for abuse that not even the police would pursue. The Cowboys were due to regress this year after going 13-3 last year, but 5-5 and likely not a playoff team is a bigger fall than most anticipated. So Jones responded w/ trying to get Goodell non-renewed, releasing Goodell’s contract demands publicly and goading Papa John’s into saying they were going to cut back advertising. AS THE WORLD TURNS!
TL;DR: the NFL owners are billionaire high school girls. (Who like need to stop being fascinated w/ their talent and take the hardline on the patriotism stuff. As Goodell himself said, “No one watches an NFL game to be preached at.”)