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I’ve matched up, as best I can, the L.A. Times’ April 1, 2020 count of coronavirus cases in huge Los Angeles County vs. the Times’ estimates of population. Some of these are municipalities (e.g., West Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Compton), others are the Times‘ definition of a neighborhood within Los Angeles city (e.g., Hancock Park, Century City, Bel-Air). (About a decade ago the L.A. Times invited public comment for several months to develop a consensus of what are the boundaries of L.A. City’s constituent neighborhoods such as Hollywood.)

The basic pattern is that the rate of coronavirus cases per 100,000 correlates positively with real estate prices.

E.g., #1 Carthay is a nice neighborhood south of the LA County Museum of Art on Wilshire, Hancock Park is next door (that’s where Mad Men’s Matthew Weiner grew up). It’s also known as Little Ethiopia, which is a new one to me. When I was at UCLA four decades ago, one of the two most beautiful girls I knew was the daughter of the former Ethiopian ambassador to Washington, whose career was terminated by the Communists murdering the Emperor Ras Tafari by smothering him with with a silken pillow.

Century City is the high rise district next to Beverly Hills, Playa Vista is a beach town near LAX, Beverly Crest is the part of Los Angeles higher up in the Hollywood Hills than Beverly Hills, etc.

Wilshire CC, Hancock Park

These are largely white neighborhoods in the general vicinity of the Hollywood Hills. The residents probably get invited to an above average number of parties, premiers, and meet and greets and probably have more people wanting to shake their hands: i.e., Tom Hanks Disease.

At the bottom of the list are a bunch of dumpy Latino neighborhoods, with the exception of the high-brow college town of Claremont. I didn’t include neighborhoods with no cases listed. The largest was East L.A., which is Mexican.

Black neighborhoods like Ladera Heights, Leimert Park, and Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw appear to be rather hard hit. Lots of blacks work at LAX, and airport workers might be particularly hard hit, like in the neighborhoods next to La Guardia in Queens.

Affluent Chinese suburbs like Arcadia, San Marino, and Monterey Park are below the median rate. The small Chinatown in downtown L.A. has only 2 cases and ranks only 118th out of 189th worst. Also mostly passed over is Koreatown, which is just east of hard-hit Hancock Park. Koreatown is 145th worst of 189.

The gayest neighborhood, West Hollywood, ranks #7.

Most of the top of the list neighborhoods are fairly Jewish. Los Angeles doesn’t have a lot of ultra-orthodox Jews, a group that has been hard hit in the New York area. Maybe Valley Village?

A good article in The Forward warned its Jewish readers:

Why American Jews are at greater risk for coronavirus
Samuel J. Abrams March 20, 2020

… That’s because Jews today are among the most socially intimate groups in the nation, according to data. The Jewish American community, from the most religious to the most secular, is at unique risk from the coronavirus because the density of Jewish social networks across all denominations is almost twice as thick as that of the average American.

A horrible pattern has been that this disease tends to get spread by each group’s more admirable and sociable customs: Italians go visit their grandparents, Germanics go skiing, Presbyterians go to choir practice, rural blacks and big funerals, Jews go out to lunch with old friends. In contrast, the nationality with the worst trend toward loneliness and holing up in their rooms, the Japanese, seem to be doing the best in this crisis.

The table below suggests that so far this has largely been a disease spread by elites.

Keep in mind that California is lagging almost every other state in the union in percentage of population tested, so who knows whether these stats reflect actual infection rates or ability to pull strings to get tested.

April 1, 2020 Los Angeles Times
CV cases Population per 100,000
1 Carthay 17 4,866 349
2 Hancock Park 33 9,804 337
3 Century City 17 5,513 308
4 Playa Vista 7 2,416 290
5 Beverlywood 15 6,080 247
6 Beverly Crest 22 10,852 203
7 West Hollywood 64 35,716 179
8 Bel-Air 12 7,691 156
9 Hollywood Hills 32 21,588 148
10 Athens 13 9,101 143
11 Brentwood 39 31,344 124
12 Manhattan Beach 41 34,039 120
13 Beverly Hills 39 33,829 115
14 Cheviot Hills 8 6,945 115
15 Palos Verdes Estates 15 13,340 112
16 Valley Village 23 24,190 95
17 Hollywood 67 77,818 86
18 Tarzana 29 35,502 82
19 Silver Lake 25 30,972 81
20 Rancho Dominguez 2 2,526 79
21 Elysian Park 2 2,530 79
22 Redondo Beach 50 63,261 79
23 Ladera Heights 5 6,509 77
24 Encino 32 41,905 76
25 Glassell Park 16 23,467 68
26 Hermosa Beach 12 18,442 65
27 West Adams 14 21,764 64
28 Palms 27 42,545 63
29 Santa Monica 53 84,084 63
30 Del Rey 17 28,010 61
31 Sherman Oaks 37 61,166 60
32 Marina del Rey 5 8,302 60
33 Leimert Park 7 11,782 59
34 University Park 14 23,596 59
35 North Hollywood 45 77,848 58
36 Lake Balboa 14 24,238 58
37 Calabasas 13 23,130 56
38 Studio City 19 34,034 56
39 Westwood 26 47,916 54
40 Downtown 15 27,849 54
41 West Carson 11 21,010 52
42 Sunland 8 15,316 52
43 Chatsworth 18 35,073 51
44 Mar Vista 18 35,492 51
45 Agoura Hills 10 20,324 49
46 Carson 44 89,549 49
47 Woodland Hills 29 59,661 49
48 Venice 18 37,705 48
49 Rancho Park 2 4,295 47
50 North Whittier 2 4,351 46
51 Torrance 63 137,933 46
52 Adams-Normandie 8 17,596 45
53 Glendale 86 195,047 44
54 Culver City 17 38,816 44
55 Westchester 18 41,500 43
56 Sylmar 30 69,499 43
57 Baldwin Hills/Crenshaw 13 30,123 43
58 Los Feliz 14 35,238 40
59 La Cañada Flintridge 8 20,381 39
60 Burbank 39 100,316 39
61 Harvard Park 4 10,297 39
62 Rancho Palos Verdes 16 41,301 39
63 South Park 11 30,496 36
64 Lennox 8 22,950 35
65 Downey 37 107,323 34
66 Eagle Rock 11 32,493 34
67 Cudahy 8 24,208 33
68 Mission Hills 6 18,237 33
69 Inglewood 37 112,482 33
70 Bell 12 36,667 33
71 Reseda 20 62,174 32
72 Porter Ranch 8 24,923 32
73 Santa Clarita 50 157,447 32
74 Central-Alameda 13 40,947 32
75 Bellflower 23 72,829 32
76 Vermont Vista 7 23,291 30
77 Harbor City 7 23,561 30
78 South Pasadena 7 24,303 29
79 Mid-Wilshire 12 41,683 29
80 Long Beach 133 462,731 29
81 Lynwood 20 69,899 29
82 Maywood 8 28,083 28
83 Green Meadows 8 28,381 28
84 Granada Hills 14 50,535 28
85 Elysian Valley 2 7,387 27
86 Harvard Heights 5 18,587 27
87 Lancaster 32 120,783 26
88 South Gate 25 96,418 26
89 West Hills 10 38,814 26
90 Exposition Park 8 31,062 26
91 Toluca Lake 2 7,782 26
92 Winnetka 12 46,943 26
93 Hawthorne 22 86,265 26
94 Wilmington 13 51,517 25
95 Mid-City 13 52,197 25
96 Pasadena 33 134,941 24
97 Vermont Knolls 5 20,616 24
98 Gardena 14 57,818 24
99 Rolling Hills Estates 2 8,334 24
100 Florence-Firestone 14 60,154 23
101 Stevenson Ranch 2 8,609 23
102 Westlake Village 2 8,663 23
103 Harbor Gateway 9 39,688 23
104 Lakewood 18 79,412 23
105 Arcadia 12 52,951 23
106 Arleta 7 31,068 23
107 Del Aire 2 9,039 22
108 Lawndale 7 31,729 22
109 Hyde Park 8 36,635 22
110 Signal Hill 2 9,273 22
111 Quartz Hill 2 9,351 21
112 Sun Village 2 9,375 21
113 Pico-Union 9 42,324 21
114 San Fernando 5 23,534 21
115 Huntington Park 13 61,370 21
116 East La Mirada 2 9,442 21
117 Northridge 12 57,561 21
118 Chinatown 2 9,610 21
119 North Hills 11 53,095 21
120 Playa del Rey 2 9,755 21
121 Norwalk 21 103,223 20
122 Compton 19 94,384 20
123 Gramercy Park 2 10,047 20
124 La Mirada 9 46,782 19
125 Watts 7 36,815 19
126 Monrovia 7 36,817 19
127 Sierra Madre 2 10,578 19
128 Tujunga 5 26,527 19
129 Canoga Park 10 53,227 19
130 Lincoln Heights 5 26,616 19
131 Paramount 10 55,319 18
132 Castaic 3 16,843 18
133 Covina 9 50,954 18
134 San Pedro 14 80,065 17
135 Manchester Square 2 11,594 17
136 Panorama City 11 65,766 17
137 Van Nuys 17 103,770 16
138 East Hollywood 12 73,967 16
139 Boyle Heights 15 92,756 16
140 Malibu 2 12,514 16
141 Commerce 2 12,583 16
142 West Los Angeles 2 12,659 16
143 Azusa 7 44,384 16
144 Mount Washington 2 12,728 16
145 Koreatown 18 115,070 16
146 Highland Park 9 57,566 16
147 Cerritos 8 51,831 15
148 San Marino 2 12,973 15
149 Palmdale 18 117,432 15
150 Shadow Hills 2 13,098 15
151 San Gabriel 6 39,306 15
152 Alhambra 13 85,961 15
153 Monterey Park 9 59,933 15
154 Hacienda Heights 8 53,525 15
155 Echo Park 6 40,455 15
156 La Puente 6 41,009 15
157 Willowbrook 5 34,336 15
158 South Whittier 8 55,285 14
159 San Dimas 5 35,064 14
160 Pico Rivera 9 63,151 14
161 Glendora 7 50,177 14
162 Valley Glen 8 59,230 14
163 Atwater Village 2 14,888 13
164 Hawaiian Gardens 2 14,915 13
165 Walnut 4 30,004 13
166 El Segundo 2 15,970 13
167 Westlake 13 103,839 13
168 Artesia 2 16,380 12
169 Sun Valley 9 75,848 12
170 Bell Gardens 5 44,054 11
171 Montebello 7 61,960 11
172 Santa Fe Springs 2 17,834 11
173 Diamond Bar 6 56,784 11
174 Rowland Heights 5 47,524 11
175 Lomita 2 19,984 10
176 El Sereno 4 40,954 10
177 South El Monte 2 20,935 10
178 Pacoima 7 75,014 9
179 Duarte 2 21,486 9
180 Valinda 2 21,568 9
181 Pomona 13 150,269 9
182 Claremont 3 35,397 8
183 West Covina 7 104,893 7
184 La Verne 2 33,117 6
185 Rosemead 3 53,280 6
186 El Monte 6 116,249 5
187 Vermont Square 2 45,284 4
188 Baldwin Park 3 75,753 4
189 Temple City 1 33,296 3

You could figure out the trajectory of these rates by neighborhood by going back to the L.A. Times’ earlier versions of this article (google Wayback Machine Archive).

 
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  1. Interesting. Does a site somewhere have a hot map? I don’t know enough about LA real estate to visualize.

    For example, if the rich/infected parts are spots spread out, it gives credence to the high class, socializing theory of spread (or the they get tested first).

    It seems odd to me that the Chinese aren’t hit very hard. Do they not travel home for the Chinese New Years like their countrymen who live in NYC and northern Italy?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    There isn't much evidence at the moment that California residents of Chinese descent are infected at a high rate.
    , @Steve Sailer
    The notion that low wage Chinese workers introduced CV to northern Italy rather than Chinese tourists or Italian business travelers is popular but unproven.
    , @XYZ (no Mr.)
    How many are from China itself? The issue is Chinese is a very vague term: it can be a nationality, a citizenship, or an ethnicity. About half of the Chinese-looking people I meet in California are American, and were born here. Most of the rest are from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and even Malaysia. The mainland China proportion of recent immigrants is much higher, no doubt there, because I work with some. My estimate is around 5 percent of those that mark 'Asian' on the census form in California will be from China proper. I couldn't find any good estimates, however.
    , @res

    Does a site somewhere have a hot map? I don’t know enough about LA real estate to visualize.
     
    It's not per capita, but this might help.
    https://lacounty.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3db641e60de9451fa70e69dd5dadbce4
    , @Anonymous

    It seems odd to me that the Chinese aren’t hit very hard. Do they not travel home for the Chinese New Years like their countrymen who live in NYC and northern Italy?
     
    California has Chinese communities going back to the 19th century. California has been their home since then.

    Most new immigrants from China prefer to live in the suburbs with good schools.

    Those born or long-established in the U.S. will rarely go "home" to China, unlike Chinese garment workers in Italy who slave away all year and briefly return to visit family in China over Chinese New Year.
  2. Ashkenazi genetic maladies include some that prominently affect the lungs.

    Btw, when the hell was Hancock Park downgraded to where effing “Mad Men’s Matthew Weiner grew up?” That isn’t in the top 100 notable things about Hancock Park.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I wrote a lot five years about Matthew Weiner's statements about how his growing up in Hancock Park without being allowed to join the Wilshire Country Club is the skeleton key that explains "Mad Men."

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/matthew-weiner-on-how-mad-men-is-driven-by-his-resentment-of-wasp-country-clubs/

    , @Old Palo Altan
    Very true.

    But Hancock Park has always bored me: all of those straight streets and small lots, however nice many of the houses are.

    I did know an interesting family who lived there: no, two actually: one was made up of a scion of a very old Mexican Californian family (with governors of the colony in the 18th century among his ancestors) and his wife who was reputedly a descendant of Aztec royalty. One of their sons was a central casting idea of what an Aztec prince would look like.

    The other family were English baronets - what precisely they were doing in Los Angeles I never did find out.

    Steve mentioned Orthodox Jews. I last actually lived in LA in the late 1970s. Back then there was a largish (and ever larger) enclave of them (said to be mostly from Russia) to the west of Hancock Park a mile or two. Perhaps someone here (perhaps Steve himself) has some knowledge of how they are fairing forty years later?

  3. @jackson
    Ashkenazi genetic maladies include some that prominently affect the lungs.

    Btw, when the hell was Hancock Park downgraded to where effing "Mad Men’s Matthew Weiner grew up?" That isn't in the top 100 notable things about Hancock Park.

    I wrote a lot five years about Matthew Weiner’s statements about how his growing up in Hancock Park without being allowed to join the Wilshire Country Club is the skeleton key that explains “Mad Men.”

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/matthew-weiner-on-how-mad-men-is-driven-by-his-resentment-of-wasp-country-clubs/

    • Replies: @Charon
    Weiner's worldview depends so much on things he heard somewhere along the line, which are always vague, paraphrased cliches, that I have to wonder if either he made them up, saw them on TV when he was young, or heard them from his Uncle Miltie.

    If I had to put money on it, I'd say a combination of the three, but it's an irony that much or all of it represents versions of versions. That is, media propaganda regurgitating itself through the decades.

    What's real? Does it matter anymore?

    , @anonymous

    I wrote a lot five years about Matthew Weiner’s statements about how his growing up in Hancock Park without being allowed to join the Wilshire Country Club is the skeleton key that explains “Mad Men.”
     
    Your observations really adjusted my perception of that show. It wasn't a satire about ad agencies and the sixties, it was a satire about me, a wasp, by someone who hated me with irrational gusto.

    Kinda took the fun out of the show for me.
    , @melvin moody
    what's weiner complaining about, he's my age, i grew up in LA, there was no anti-semitism among our gentile peers, maybe silly jokes, but no one took offense at or seriously, . Also, why would he care about the Wilshire Country Club, the Jewish Brentwood and Hillcrest Country Clubs are much nicer. yes, LA country club was/is the best, but so what. I guess being imaginative he has to dream up that his experience was like his grandparents in the 30s and 40s, when he grew up in the Jewish Shangri-la of LA in 70s and early 80s.
  4. @Polynikes
    Interesting. Does a site somewhere have a hot map? I don’t know enough about LA real estate to visualize.

    For example, if the rich/infected parts are spots spread out, it gives credence to the high class, socializing theory of spread (or the they get tested first).

    It seems odd to me that the Chinese aren’t hit very hard. Do they not travel home for the Chinese New Years like their countrymen who live in NYC and northern Italy?

    There isn’t much evidence at the moment that California residents of Chinese descent are infected at a high rate.

    • Thanks: Polynikes
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    What happened to that author on Unz who was going on about the East Asian propensity for catching Covid-19 and white immunity to it, from several weeks ago?
    , @JimB
    ”There isn’t much evidence at the moment that California residents of Chinese descent are infected at a high rate.“

    If the naturalized Chinese in California are avoiding Kung Flu, it is because most of them speak Mandarin and follow Chinese news. While white liberals were glued to Rachel Maddow’s daily accounts of the Trump’s impeachment since last November, Chinese have been buzzing about rumors of a terrible new virus appearing in Wuhan. By the time the virus was on CNNs radar, Chinese in the US had shipped nearly two billion N95 masks back to China.

    , @res
    Is there evidence against that idea, or just no evidence? I would expect a trend of high prevalence in Chinese early then decreasing over time.
  5. Also mostly passed over is Koreatown, which is just east of hard-hit Hancock Park. Koreatown is 145th worst of 189.

    I went to a large Korean grocery chain a couple of days ago in my neck of woods (upper Southern super zip). Some notable observations:

    1. It was fully stocked and had everything from milk and meats/poultry/seafood to rice and ramen, with more being put on shelves. Only the Spam section was picked over.* I didn’t look at the paper product section since I have a big supply at home.

    2. The usual horde of Indian shoppers was completely missing. Mostly East Asians and some whites. I must admit it was exceptionally pleasant. I was not hit or shoved with a cart once.

    3. Everyone – stockers, cashiers, and shoppers alike – was bedecked in masks and gloves. I was the only one without a mask and everyone looked at me like I was a leper. I guess I’ll break into my supply of N95 and the nitrile gloves when I go there again.

    *An employee announced “We are very sorry to everyone, but we will only sell two cans of Spam per family.” I was sad to miss the scene of Spam panic shopping from earlier. 😉

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?
    , @Captain Tripps

    I went to a large Korean grocery chain a couple of days ago in my neck of woods
     
    Which chain? If you'd rather not say, no worries. Around us, we have two. One starts with Lo** and ends with **aza; the other starts with H* and ends in *art. Love to shop at both.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    I noticed a lot more mask wearing in Asian grocery stores in Wisconsin compared to the whiter stores.

    Asians are much more likely to wear masks.

    There is a community of about 50,000 Chinese is Tuscany, in a city called Prato. Apparently the CV-19 rate among the Chinese is significantly lower than the rest of the area.

    As in, zero confirmed cases.

    , @anon
    Asian market? You must wear high heeled shoes with colorful socks.
  6. @Steve Sailer
    There isn't much evidence at the moment that California residents of Chinese descent are infected at a high rate.

    What happened to that author on Unz who was going on about the East Asian propensity for catching Covid-19 and white immunity to it, from several weeks ago?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Northern Italians are about the most average white people there are.
  7. anonymous[590] • Disclaimer says:

    It definitely seems that blacks are largely genetically immune from coronavirus. There have been only 221 coronavirus deaths on the entire continent of Africa so far. And 166 of those deaths have been in either South Africa or North Africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Africa

    And that’s despite Chinese people traveling to Africa all the time. And Africa having the worst medical care in the world.

    Even with their 20% white genes, I think that Aframs are much less vulnerable to coronavirus than anybody else in the US. I don’t really understand why the black neighborhoods aren’t at the bottom of that list. Do blacks get tests more often than anybody else?

    • LOL: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Or maybe black-run countries aren't as adept at measuring coronavirus fatalities as Asian and white-run countries?
    , @guest007
    Before repeating a falses meme, you should look up a few media stories.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/albany-georgia-coronavirus/index.html

    Two black funerals caused a surge in Covid-19 victims in Albany Georgia.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/albany-georgia-coronavirus/index.html

    Also, the first three NYPD employees who died in NYC were all black. Also, has everyone already forgotten the 10 NBA players who were infected.
  8. @anonymous
    It definitely seems that blacks are largely genetically immune from coronavirus. There have been only 221 coronavirus deaths on the entire continent of Africa so far. And 166 of those deaths have been in either South Africa or North Africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Africa


    And that's despite Chinese people traveling to Africa all the time. And Africa having the worst medical care in the world.

    Even with their 20% white genes, I think that Aframs are much less vulnerable to coronavirus than anybody else in the US. I don't really understand why the black neighborhoods aren't at the bottom of that list. Do blacks get tests more often than anybody else?

    Or maybe black-run countries aren’t as adept at measuring coronavirus fatalities as Asian and white-run countries?

    • Agree: education realist
  9. @Twinkie

    Also mostly passed over is Koreatown, which is just east of hard-hit Hancock Park. Koreatown is 145th worst of 189.
     
    I went to a large Korean grocery chain a couple of days ago in my neck of woods (upper Southern super zip). Some notable observations:

    1. It was fully stocked and had everything from milk and meats/poultry/seafood to rice and ramen, with more being put on shelves. Only the Spam section was picked over.* I didn’t look at the paper product section since I have a big supply at home.

    2. The usual horde of Indian shoppers was completely missing. Mostly East Asians and some whites. I must admit it was exceptionally pleasant. I was not hit or shoved with a cart once.

    3. Everyone - stockers, cashiers, and shoppers alike - was bedecked in masks and gloves. I was the only one without a mask and everyone looked at me like I was a leper. I guess I’ll break into my supply of N95 and the nitrile gloves when I go there again.

    *An employee announced “We are very sorry to everyone, but we will only sell two cans of Spam per family.” I was sad to miss the scene of Spam panic shopping from earlier. ;)

    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?

    • Replies: @Captain Tripps

    Spam is really awful.
     
    Sez you. 141,000 Hawaiians can't be wrong...

    https://i1.wp.com/www.tastyislandhawaii.com/images09/spam_macnuts/spam_macnuts_can.jpg
    , @Redneck farmer
    Spam is good. The knockoffs are horrible.
    , @Twinkie

    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?
     
    No. South Korea consumes more Spam than any other country, save the United States (within which Hawaii consumes the most).

    In South Korea, you can buy “fancy” versions of Spam in many flavors that are locally (license-) made.

    One notable Korean dish that utilizes Spam is called Budae Jjigae, which means military unit/base stew. It’s very popular with Korean men (I suppose nostalgia for their military service plays a role) and is considered comfort food.

    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/euVyBKNfxkk/maxresdefault.jpg
    , @Jon
    No need for any Polynesians, Loreans LOVE spam.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/09/23/07/wire-4486208-1537682598-902_634x421.jpg
    , @cad
    well try "cooking" it instead of out of the can...?
    , @Reg Cæsar
    https://rsparch.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/SPAM_Hero.jpg

    https://www.eturbonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/0a1_5059.jpg
    , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Spam is really awful."

    No. When sliced thin and fried crispy, it tastes like bacon but with a meaty al dente heft that bacon lacks. And it is versatile.

    Downside: Spam is pricier per pound than ground beef, tuna, or chicken, and it makes the house stink like any other fried pork.
  10. @Twinkie
    What happened to that author on Unz who was going on about the East Asian propensity for catching Covid-19 and white immunity to it, from several weeks ago?

    Northern Italians are about the most average white people there are.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    But what happened to the author’s pieces? Are the articles still on Unz? Has he penned further articles admitting his mistakes or is he still persisting on with his outlandish claims that only Asians die from Covid-19.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    They should move to Lake Wobegon. It has magic dirt.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Northern Italians are about the most average white people there are.
     
    Bill Kauffman's grandmother insisted she was "almost Swiss".
  11. @Polynikes
    Interesting. Does a site somewhere have a hot map? I don’t know enough about LA real estate to visualize.

    For example, if the rich/infected parts are spots spread out, it gives credence to the high class, socializing theory of spread (or the they get tested first).

    It seems odd to me that the Chinese aren’t hit very hard. Do they not travel home for the Chinese New Years like their countrymen who live in NYC and northern Italy?

    The notion that low wage Chinese workers introduced CV to northern Italy rather than Chinese tourists or Italian business travelers is popular but unproven.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Polynikes
    On one hand, N. Italy, Seattle, and NYC being hit hard first supports that theory. On the other hand, you would think that Vancouver, San Fran and LA (maybe Houston too?) would be equally as hard hit.

    Business travel to China goes both ways. It could’ve been westerners who traveled there and brought it back. Or both.
    , @Bill P
    I can fairly confidently state that it was wealthy Chinese businessmen/elites who spread it in Europe. When the outbreak got going in Wuhan back in early January, those with the means fled the city immediately. The humbler Chinese fled to neighboring provinces, which prompted places like Jiangxi to set up roadblocks and organize patrols to keep them out. There's video of traffic jams of cars headed out of Wuhan before the lockdown went into effect.

    Rich Chinese simply flew out. Those who knew or feared they were infected were likely the most eager to flee, for reasons of self-preservation. Naturally a lot of them went to the towns and resorts popular with wealthy tourists, which is why so many elites have the virus. It's exactly the kind of pattern Chinese themselves would expect, as they have no illusions about the behavior of their elites. The same people flew back to China after the sickness they helped spread took hold in the rest of the world.

    There are currently lots of stories in China about sick people loading up on Tylenol before getting on a plane to go to a relatively unaffected place. This is why the Chinese authorities are now enforcing a mandatory quarantine on people arriving in China from abroad. However, they are, very disgustingly, spinning this in state media as proof that it is foreigners spreading the disease in China, when everyone knows 99% of the infected arrivals are themselves Chinese.

    Sadly, northern Italy's reputation as a healthy place with good medical care probably made it an attractive destination for infected Chinese. If you were a Chinese factory manager in Wuhan back in January, the people you'd just had a banquet with started coming down with a fever, and there were reports of chaos and crowds at the local hospital, you'd probably think "now would be a good time to book the next flight to Milan."

    When Western elites fully grasp what these Chinese did, they are going to be pretty angry about it. However, they deserve a lot of the blame themselves. They have only up to now profited from their relationship with Chinese elites. The consequences the rest of us have faced haven't been of much concern to them. Well, that has changed. This is their golden opportunity to make amends. If they blow it there might not be another.
    , @AnotherDad

    The notion that low wage Chinese workers introduced CV to northern Italy rather than Chinese tourists or Italian business travelers is popular but unproven.
     
    I would assume all of these are true. (Unless "introduced" is intended to be like "took her virginity".)
  12. @Steve Sailer
    I wrote a lot five years about Matthew Weiner's statements about how his growing up in Hancock Park without being allowed to join the Wilshire Country Club is the skeleton key that explains "Mad Men."

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/matthew-weiner-on-how-mad-men-is-driven-by-his-resentment-of-wasp-country-clubs/

    Weiner’s worldview depends so much on things he heard somewhere along the line, which are always vague, paraphrased cliches, that I have to wonder if either he made them up, saw them on TV when he was young, or heard them from his Uncle Miltie.

    If I had to put money on it, I’d say a combination of the three, but it’s an irony that much or all of it represents versions of versions. That is, media propaganda regurgitating itself through the decades.

    What’s real? Does it matter anymore?

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    "What’s real? Does it matter anymore?"

    As far as Mr Weiner is concerned, it never did.
  13. Since when does a plague hit the people best suited to evade a plague?

  14. @Steve Sailer
    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?

    Spam is really awful.

    Sez you. 141,000 Hawaiians can’t be wrong…

  15. @Twinkie

    Also mostly passed over is Koreatown, which is just east of hard-hit Hancock Park. Koreatown is 145th worst of 189.
     
    I went to a large Korean grocery chain a couple of days ago in my neck of woods (upper Southern super zip). Some notable observations:

    1. It was fully stocked and had everything from milk and meats/poultry/seafood to rice and ramen, with more being put on shelves. Only the Spam section was picked over.* I didn’t look at the paper product section since I have a big supply at home.

    2. The usual horde of Indian shoppers was completely missing. Mostly East Asians and some whites. I must admit it was exceptionally pleasant. I was not hit or shoved with a cart once.

    3. Everyone - stockers, cashiers, and shoppers alike - was bedecked in masks and gloves. I was the only one without a mask and everyone looked at me like I was a leper. I guess I’ll break into my supply of N95 and the nitrile gloves when I go there again.

    *An employee announced “We are very sorry to everyone, but we will only sell two cans of Spam per family.” I was sad to miss the scene of Spam panic shopping from earlier. ;)

    I went to a large Korean grocery chain a couple of days ago in my neck of woods

    Which chain? If you’d rather not say, no worries. Around us, we have two. One starts with Lo** and ends with **aza; the other starts with H* and ends in *art. Love to shop at both.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I prefer the latter.
  16. @Steve Sailer
    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?

    Spam is good. The knockoffs are horrible.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    Spam slices, fried, on toast + mayo = really quite tasty.

    Maybe even add a little lettuce and tomato.
    , @Lot
    ????

    Spam was so gross I threw it away after 2 bites the one and only time I tried it. (My prepper collection I try to eat down once a year and replace with newer items.) And it isn’t even especially cheap!

    The only cheap canned meat I’ve liked is tuna and costco canned chicken breast.

    This is what a ham should taste like:

    https://chewoutloud.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/20121225-175606.jpg
  17. Today the New York Times has an article with charts showing the rate of virus infection in NYC neighborhoods broken down by zip code. Rates are highest in central Queens areas like Jackson Heights and Elmhurst, which are largely Hispanic and relatively low income though not extremely poor, and in the Orthodox/Hasidic Borough Park section of Brooklyn. There’s a lesser cluster in the north central Bronx, a mainly black, mainly working class area. Most parts of Manhattan have surprisingly low rates.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-cases-map.html

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    Elmhurst also has a lot of Chinese and is not far from heavily Asian Flushing. The 7 subway line through there has been called The Orient Express. Other people can get WuFlu but Lunar New Year travel seems like a major culprit. The LA area seems fortunate to have much lower population density than Queens NY
  18. In other words, wealthy people are using concierge medical care to jump the testing queue, and Compton block parties consist of people who don’t pay attention to the news and don’t want to waste hours to get tested. Testing in California isn’t widespread enough for this to be meaningful,

  19. @Steve Sailer
    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?

    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?

    No. South Korea consumes more Spam than any other country, save the United States (within which Hawaii consumes the most).

    In South Korea, you can buy “fancy” versions of Spam in many flavors that are locally (license-) made.

    One notable Korean dish that utilizes Spam is called Budae Jjigae, which means military unit/base stew. It’s very popular with Korean men (I suppose nostalgia for their military service plays a role) and is considered comfort food.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    I grew up in a rural low-budget household with plenty of beef, salmon, venison. But Spam was a breakfast regular and I loved it more than even bacon. When I moved to the city and joined people of college age, I found out it was stigmatized. I learned how to hide my secret shame.
    , @anon
    Good eats!
    Best if served within sightline of the DMZ, I'm sure.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budae-jjigae

    https://mykoreankitchen.com/army-stew-budae-jjigae/
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Even trendy Korean restaurants here in Hong Kong feature Spam-based dishes.
  20. @Captain Tripps

    I went to a large Korean grocery chain a couple of days ago in my neck of woods
     
    Which chain? If you'd rather not say, no worries. Around us, we have two. One starts with Lo** and ends with **aza; the other starts with H* and ends in *art. Love to shop at both.

    I prefer the latter.

  21. @Steve Sailer
    Northern Italians are about the most average white people there are.

    But what happened to the author’s pieces? Are the articles still on Unz? Has he penned further articles admitting his mistakes or is he still persisting on with his outlandish claims that only Asians die from Covid-19.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://vdare.com/writers/lance-welton
    https://www.unz.com/author/lance-welton/
  22. @Steve Sailer
    The notion that low wage Chinese workers introduced CV to northern Italy rather than Chinese tourists or Italian business travelers is popular but unproven.

    On one hand, N. Italy, Seattle, and NYC being hit hard first supports that theory. On the other hand, you would think that Vancouver, San Fran and LA (maybe Houston too?) would be equally as hard hit.

    Business travel to China goes both ways. It could’ve been westerners who traveled there and brought it back. Or both.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    Vancouver is surprising, but the R0 factor seems to be the greatest in climates like Seattle and New York, not the sun belt. Unless of course you have something like Mardi Gras, where even Ebola might have a chance to spread (half joking).
  23. Connecticut certainly seems to hew to this pattern of the fancier people’s being more likely to come down with the disease–at least so far. A week ago or whenever, the NYT ran a piece on a 40th birthday party in Weston on Fairfield Co.’s Gold Coast that served as ground zero for a zillion cases–including a few in South Africa, whence some of the guests had flown. And the CT Dept. of Public Health’s daily testing summary, released at 4pm EDT on weekdays, shows Fairfield and New Haven Counties as by far the hardest-hit.

    https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/Coronavirus/CTDPHCOVID19summary4012020.pdf?la=en

    https://dailyvoice.com/connecticut/brookfield/lifestyle/details-emerge-on-how-party-in-fairfield-county-covid-19-hotspot-became-super-spreader/785483/

  24. @Steve Sailer
    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?

    No need for any Polynesians, Loreans LOVE spam.

  25. eD says:

    Since Steve is starting to examine this data, its worth pointing out again that the rate of virus cases measure the rate of virus tests, and nothing else. And the rate of virus testing is a function of the amount of interactions of people with government agencies that will test them.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Almost.

    The limiting effect appears to be the paucity of tests.

    The guy who wrote the song “I love Rock and Roll” couldn’t get a test until a few hours before his death. He spent the last 14 hours of his life in the ER waiting for treatment that was always “in a few minutes “.

    My wife is a health care worker. Her temperature is checked before every shift. Even though she and her colleagues have treated some possible CV-19 patients, neither she nor her colleagues are ever tested.

    If we had sufficient tests, every health care worker and first responder and possibly even every grocery clerk would be tested 15 minutes before the start of every shift.
  26. On hardest hit areas….. I surfed the Johns Hopkins maps for the top 10 cities by population, both city center and metroplex.

    Something really stood out. All off them have well over 50 deaths, many thousands of cases…..except Houston. Which has 6 deaths, 10 if you count the closest surrounding areas. Houston is #4 in population. Which makes me wonder why.

    First, it has the largest medical center in the world. But that shouldnt stop the spread, just treat it.

    The downtown is mostly offices. So not a lot of high density apartment/condo high-rises in the one place you can walk.

    So that leads me to what I assume next. Houston is low density, and you need a car to get anywhere. So maybe those two things act as a sort of default social distancing.

  27. @Twinkie
    But what happened to the author’s pieces? Are the articles still on Unz? Has he penned further articles admitting his mistakes or is he still persisting on with his outlandish claims that only Asians die from Covid-19.
    • Thanks: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Note that the articles suddenly stopped a few weeks ago, when wypipo started dying in droves.
  28. My experience has been that there are a fair number of beautiful Ethiopian (or Eritrean) girls in America, more than one might expect.

  29. @Steve Sailer
    There isn't much evidence at the moment that California residents of Chinese descent are infected at a high rate.

    ”There isn’t much evidence at the moment that California residents of Chinese descent are infected at a high rate.“

    If the naturalized Chinese in California are avoiding Kung Flu, it is because most of them speak Mandarin and follow Chinese news. While white liberals were glued to Rachel Maddow’s daily accounts of the Trump’s impeachment since last November, Chinese have been buzzing about rumors of a terrible new virus appearing in Wuhan. By the time the virus was on CNNs radar, Chinese in the US had shipped nearly two billion N95 masks back to China.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    It's called Covid-19.

    Speaking of something that should be NOTICED, I thought Trump by now would be clamping down on American companies engaging in this unpatriotic activity.

    https://theintercept.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-medical-supplies-export/

    The U.S. government has placed no restrictions on exports of medical supplies while continuing to impose financial penalties on the import of personal protective gear, protective goggles, pulse oximeters, hand sanitizer, and other medical products from China.
     
    Then again, Triump had the federal government compete with state governments for those supplies.

    https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2020/03/26/charlie-baker-trump-administration-medical-supplies

    In that way, Trump can play the "hero" by saying "Well, look here, we do have what the states need. Here you go."

    Too bad our resident pattern recognizer isn't paying attention, or if he is, he is being his typical cagey self.
  30. Boomer Elites are completely allergic to the idea of life going on without them. This idea either baffles them or enrages them. So, rather than impose targeted quarantines on high-risk populations (the most common sense approach), they have shut all of society down.

    After all, knowing that other people are moving on with life, while they are stuck indoors with USA Today on their Ipads, is just too much to handle.

  31. @MEH 0910
    https://vdare.com/writers/lance-welton
    https://www.unz.com/author/lance-welton/

    Note that the articles suddenly stopped a few weeks ago, when wypipo started dying in droves.

  32. @eD
    Since Steve is starting to examine this data, its worth pointing out again that the rate of virus cases measure the rate of virus tests, and nothing else. And the rate of virus testing is a function of the amount of interactions of people with government agencies that will test them.

    Almost.

    The limiting effect appears to be the paucity of tests.

    The guy who wrote the song “I love Rock and Roll” couldn’t get a test until a few hours before his death. He spent the last 14 hours of his life in the ER waiting for treatment that was always “in a few minutes “.

    My wife is a health care worker. Her temperature is checked before every shift. Even though she and her colleagues have treated some possible CV-19 patients, neither she nor her colleagues are ever tested.

    If we had sufficient tests, every health care worker and first responder and possibly even every grocery clerk would be tested 15 minutes before the start of every shift.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    If we had sufficient tests, every health care worker and first responder and possibly even every grocery clerk would be tested 15 minutes before the start of every shift.
     
    And then every hospital would be even more handicapped, as they sent those people home.

    At a hospital my wife goes to, they check every employee's temperature at the start of work. If they have a fever, they are sent home.
  33. A Japanese friend is increasingly convinced that the old TB shots Japanese, Taiwanese and South Koreans got are going a long way in immunity to this virus. Apparently many or most of the cases in Japan are not Japanese.

    It is the “BCG immunization.” The older one, apparently, not newer ones, whatever that means.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fewer-coronavirus-deaths-seen-in-countries-that-mandate-tb-vaccine/ar-BB123ji1

  34. OT to this post, but the Daily Mail confirms that Chinese companies were buying up billions of masks in the West in January and February. It sounds like they were government connected companies, but lots of Chinese companies are. This is not necessarily a conspiracy because China needed face masks.

    But it would be nice of them to admit that China hoovered up the world’s supply of masks right before the pandemic went global.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8178365/China-imported-2billion-masks-peak-coronavirus-crisis.html

  35. @Twinkie

    Also mostly passed over is Koreatown, which is just east of hard-hit Hancock Park. Koreatown is 145th worst of 189.
     
    I went to a large Korean grocery chain a couple of days ago in my neck of woods (upper Southern super zip). Some notable observations:

    1. It was fully stocked and had everything from milk and meats/poultry/seafood to rice and ramen, with more being put on shelves. Only the Spam section was picked over.* I didn’t look at the paper product section since I have a big supply at home.

    2. The usual horde of Indian shoppers was completely missing. Mostly East Asians and some whites. I must admit it was exceptionally pleasant. I was not hit or shoved with a cart once.

    3. Everyone - stockers, cashiers, and shoppers alike - was bedecked in masks and gloves. I was the only one without a mask and everyone looked at me like I was a leper. I guess I’ll break into my supply of N95 and the nitrile gloves when I go there again.

    *An employee announced “We are very sorry to everyone, but we will only sell two cans of Spam per family.” I was sad to miss the scene of Spam panic shopping from earlier. ;)

    I noticed a lot more mask wearing in Asian grocery stores in Wisconsin compared to the whiter stores.

    Asians are much more likely to wear masks.

    There is a community of about 50,000 Chinese is Tuscany, in a city called Prato. Apparently the CV-19 rate among the Chinese is significantly lower than the rest of the area.

    As in, zero confirmed cases.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    There is a community of about 50,000 Chinese is Tuscany, in a city called Prato.
     
    My god! I didn't know that! Makes me feel sick.
    , @Anonymous
    Yes, of course - the Chinese Americans knew this thing was going to hit from communication with their families on the Mainland. There are reports beginning to emerge, replete with videos and photos, of Chinese Americans cleaning out big box stores inventory of N-95 masks in February and early March. Another poster in this blog revealed that in this same time period, some Chinese Canadian communities, on their own initiative, were self quarantining members who had returned home from the New Years celebrations up to two weeks. They just didn't relate their sense of urgency about the Corona virus to everyone else....

    As I posted on another thread, if the Twinkies and Gene Su's of the world think there is anything about this crisis that is going to forge some sort of Asian “Conservative”- “Red” Caucasian coalition, they are out of their mind. I live in a very White, conservative region of the Greater Houston Area (Woodlands – Montgomery County). China and its diaspora's lack of transparency about the virus and the resulting consequences have devastated the West including many of my neighbors who are small business owners and restaurateurs. Some of the things I have heard these people say about the Chinese and their business practices (cheap substandard goods, wet markets, filthy kitchens, etc) in the last few weeks, rival their worst comments and feelings about blacks and hispanic (dark skinned) illegals. This pandemic and the resulting human toll (>100000 deaths) are a transformational event in Asian -White relations. Asian people in the States are in for a rough ride – trust me.
    , @Anonymous Jew
    I see that too, though my intuition is that Asians are wearing masks to be considerate because they believe Whites et al may be blaming them for the virus. An analogy would be a Middle Easterner wearing a patriotic t-shirt following 911 (though I can’t recall ever seeing that). If Koreans had brought down the World Trade Center every Asian would be wearing an American Flag t-shirt the next day.
  36. “… That’s because Jews today are among the most socially intimate groups in the nation, according to data. The Jewish American community”

    You see they are “socially intimate”, while white people are, “racist white nationalists/supremacists”.

    Okay got it.

  37. @Twinkie

    Also mostly passed over is Koreatown, which is just east of hard-hit Hancock Park. Koreatown is 145th worst of 189.
     
    I went to a large Korean grocery chain a couple of days ago in my neck of woods (upper Southern super zip). Some notable observations:

    1. It was fully stocked and had everything from milk and meats/poultry/seafood to rice and ramen, with more being put on shelves. Only the Spam section was picked over.* I didn’t look at the paper product section since I have a big supply at home.

    2. The usual horde of Indian shoppers was completely missing. Mostly East Asians and some whites. I must admit it was exceptionally pleasant. I was not hit or shoved with a cart once.

    3. Everyone - stockers, cashiers, and shoppers alike - was bedecked in masks and gloves. I was the only one without a mask and everyone looked at me like I was a leper. I guess I’ll break into my supply of N95 and the nitrile gloves when I go there again.

    *An employee announced “We are very sorry to everyone, but we will only sell two cans of Spam per family.” I was sad to miss the scene of Spam panic shopping from earlier. ;)

    Asian market? You must wear high heeled shoes with colorful socks.

  38. In contrast, the nationality with the worst trend toward loneliness and holing up in their rooms, the Japanese, seem to be doing the best in this crisis.

    Steve,

    Today I was reading Ian Fleming’s travel book Thrilling Cities. His discussion of Swiss social life in the chapter on Geneva was like he was describing modern Japan. By the way, how’s the trend among pundits, writers,and bloggers who hole up in their closets?

  39. @Paleo Liberal
    I noticed a lot more mask wearing in Asian grocery stores in Wisconsin compared to the whiter stores.

    Asians are much more likely to wear masks.

    There is a community of about 50,000 Chinese is Tuscany, in a city called Prato. Apparently the CV-19 rate among the Chinese is significantly lower than the rest of the area.

    As in, zero confirmed cases.

    There is a community of about 50,000 Chinese is Tuscany, in a city called Prato.

    My god! I didn’t know that! Makes me feel sick.

  40. @Steve Sailer
    Northern Italians are about the most average white people there are.

    They should move to Lake Wobegon. It has magic dirt.

  41. @prosa123
    Today the New York Times has an article with charts showing the rate of virus infection in NYC neighborhoods broken down by zip code. Rates are highest in central Queens areas like Jackson Heights and Elmhurst, which are largely Hispanic and relatively low income though not extremely poor, and in the Orthodox/Hasidic Borough Park section of Brooklyn. There's a lesser cluster in the north central Bronx, a mainly black, mainly working class area. Most parts of Manhattan have surprisingly low rates.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-cases-map.html

    Elmhurst also has a lot of Chinese and is not far from heavily Asian Flushing. The 7 subway line through there has been called The Orient Express. Other people can get WuFlu but Lunar New Year travel seems like a major culprit. The LA area seems fortunate to have much lower population density than Queens NY

  42. Here’s a scatterplot using your CV per neighborhood data and this median income data.

    • Replies: @res
    Thanks. Any idea of the R^2 for that?
  43. I expect we will see California test results pick up once we finish counting primary ballots.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I expect we will see California test results pick up once we finish counting primary ballots.
     
    So we can look forward to PRELIMINARY TEST RESULTS no later than, say, fall of 2023?
  44. Anonymous[404] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    I noticed a lot more mask wearing in Asian grocery stores in Wisconsin compared to the whiter stores.

    Asians are much more likely to wear masks.

    There is a community of about 50,000 Chinese is Tuscany, in a city called Prato. Apparently the CV-19 rate among the Chinese is significantly lower than the rest of the area.

    As in, zero confirmed cases.

    Yes, of course – the Chinese Americans knew this thing was going to hit from communication with their families on the Mainland. There are reports beginning to emerge, replete with videos and photos, of Chinese Americans cleaning out big box stores inventory of N-95 masks in February and early March. Another poster in this blog revealed that in this same time period, some Chinese Canadian communities, on their own initiative, were self quarantining members who had returned home from the New Years celebrations up to two weeks. They just didn’t relate their sense of urgency about the Corona virus to everyone else….

    As I posted on another thread, if the Twinkies and Gene Su’s of the world think there is anything about this crisis that is going to forge some sort of Asian “Conservative”- “Red” Caucasian coalition, they are out of their mind. I live in a very White, conservative region of the Greater Houston Area (Woodlands – Montgomery County). China and its diaspora’s lack of transparency about the virus and the resulting consequences have devastated the West including many of my neighbors who are small business owners and restaurateurs. Some of the things I have heard these people say about the Chinese and their business practices (cheap substandard goods, wet markets, filthy kitchens, etc) in the last few weeks, rival their worst comments and feelings about blacks and hispanic (dark skinned) illegals. This pandemic and the resulting human toll (>100000 deaths) are a transformational event in Asian -White relations. Asian people in the States are in for a rough ride – trust me.

    • Replies: @cynthia curran
    You may be right. Asian/Latino relations are not so great since a Latina in Orange County made a video about Asians and coronavirus making fun of them. Also, the fancy people theory is somewhat correct since Newport Beach has been hit worst than Santa Ana.
    , @XYZ (no Mr.)
    Oh, so you're telling me that Americans will again #[email protected]& up any clarity, and chance for real change, gained from traumatic shocks to our system caused by our own elites (like 2008), and gain nothing as a result?

    Par for the course.

    Hating on the Chinese in America -- who may not even be Chinese, actually -- is a perfect way to lose any benefit from this.

    Hating on globalism, the fact that it has made us poorer and weaker, the fact that we as a nation have to beg for masks and medicine from other countries solely because of the greed of American elites, the fact that President Trump was right about the dangers of trade deficits and off shoring of manufacturering, and the need for tariffs, the fact that President Trump was right about the need for strong borders, the fact that immigrants who are really serious about assimilation shouldn't be going back to their homelands much -- and that is much safer for us as Americans, is all pretty compelling, and could be the very stick needed to beat any corporate whore Republicans into compliance.

    Of course, racists gonna race, this being iSteve, so we will probably piss away this opportunity while fantasizing about an ethnostate that will never be. Truly perfect is the enemy of good.

    , @Bill P
    To be fair, some of the most sensible comments I read in local Seattle media came from Chinese, particularly concerning Seattle Public Schools and King County dept of Health attempts to make the pandemic a social justice issue. The Chinese commenters were genuinely upset that local liberals were using the attention to preen and virtue signal, and said that now is not the time for that.

    However, orientals are not very high profile, and usually nobody pays attention to them. In this case, whites should have listened to people from China's neighboring countries, Taiwan and HK in particular, because they know China much better than most Americans.

    The PRC is a global menace, but oriental people are not. I don't think it would be wise to conflate the two, especially when we're going to need help from a lot of those people in containing the last Communist empire.
    , @Twinkie

    Asian people in the States are in for a rough ride – trust me.
     
    Sounds like wishful thinking.

    Twinkies
     
    I’m not Chinese.

    Many of the doctors and nurses who are heroically treating patients in NYC are ethnically Asian, who are disproportionately over represented in the medical professions. I don’t think people will forget that, and I think most Americans are bright enough to distinguish between foreign Chinese and their own citizens of Asian descent. This isn’t 1941.
    , @t

    Yes, of course – the Chinese Americans knew this thing was going to hit from communication with their families on the Mainland. There are reports beginning to emerge, replete with videos and photos, of Chinese Americans cleaning out big box stores inventory of N-95 masks in February and early March. Another poster in this blog revealed that in this same time period, some Chinese Canadian communities, on their own initiative, were self quarantining members who had returned home from the New Years celebrations up to two weeks. They just didn’t relate their sense of urgency about the Corona virus to everyone else….
     
    I had more than one Chinese born Chinese person warn me about the virus including telling me to stay away from Chinatown. Meanwhile White liberals in the media were claiming that avoiding Chinatown is racist and blaming white racism, rather than Chinese social distancing for the decline in business in Chinatown.
  45. @Polynikes
    Interesting. Does a site somewhere have a hot map? I don’t know enough about LA real estate to visualize.

    For example, if the rich/infected parts are spots spread out, it gives credence to the high class, socializing theory of spread (or the they get tested first).

    It seems odd to me that the Chinese aren’t hit very hard. Do they not travel home for the Chinese New Years like their countrymen who live in NYC and northern Italy?

    How many are from China itself? The issue is Chinese is a very vague term: it can be a nationality, a citizenship, or an ethnicity. About half of the Chinese-looking people I meet in California are American, and were born here. Most of the rest are from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and even Malaysia. The mainland China proportion of recent immigrants is much higher, no doubt there, because I work with some. My estimate is around 5 percent of those that mark ‘Asian’ on the census form in California will be from China proper. I couldn’t find any good estimates, however.

  46. @Steve Sailer
    The notion that low wage Chinese workers introduced CV to northern Italy rather than Chinese tourists or Italian business travelers is popular but unproven.

    I can fairly confidently state that it was wealthy Chinese businessmen/elites who spread it in Europe. When the outbreak got going in Wuhan back in early January, those with the means fled the city immediately. The humbler Chinese fled to neighboring provinces, which prompted places like Jiangxi to set up roadblocks and organize patrols to keep them out. There’s video of traffic jams of cars headed out of Wuhan before the lockdown went into effect.

    Rich Chinese simply flew out. Those who knew or feared they were infected were likely the most eager to flee, for reasons of self-preservation. Naturally a lot of them went to the towns and resorts popular with wealthy tourists, which is why so many elites have the virus. It’s exactly the kind of pattern Chinese themselves would expect, as they have no illusions about the behavior of their elites. The same people flew back to China after the sickness they helped spread took hold in the rest of the world.

    There are currently lots of stories in China about sick people loading up on Tylenol before getting on a plane to go to a relatively unaffected place. This is why the Chinese authorities are now enforcing a mandatory quarantine on people arriving in China from abroad. However, they are, very disgustingly, spinning this in state media as proof that it is foreigners spreading the disease in China, when everyone knows 99% of the infected arrivals are themselves Chinese.

    Sadly, northern Italy’s reputation as a healthy place with good medical care probably made it an attractive destination for infected Chinese. If you were a Chinese factory manager in Wuhan back in January, the people you’d just had a banquet with started coming down with a fever, and there were reports of chaos and crowds at the local hospital, you’d probably think “now would be a good time to book the next flight to Milan.”

    When Western elites fully grasp what these Chinese did, they are going to be pretty angry about it. However, they deserve a lot of the blame themselves. They have only up to now profited from their relationship with Chinese elites. The consequences the rest of us have faced haven’t been of much concern to them. Well, that has changed. This is their golden opportunity to make amends. If they blow it there might not be another.

    • Agree: Captain Tripps, wren
    • Replies: @Anon
    All the western elites care about is money, money money. The western elites may or not finally realize it’s a Chinese virus that developed in China and was spread all over the world by Chinese.

    But if they ever admit it to themselves, they’ll cover it up. I’m surprised it’s not called Skier’s flu, or Italian flu as the American army flu of 1918 is called Spanish flu.
  47. The choir practice, so far as I can tell, wasn’t a church choir. The Skagit Valley Chorale appears to be a secular(ish) choir that just happened to be having rehearsal in a Presbyterian church. I’m sure much of their repertoire is sacred music, but probably only because much (most?) of the really good choir music is sacred.

    The second person to die of COVID in Utah was an extremely wealthy auto dealer, Bob Garff, who had also been the speaker of the Utah legislature back in the 80s, helped run the 2002 Olympics, and had held several high positions in the Mormon Church.

    Rich and famous people travel a lot, tend to be friends with people who travel, as well, and tend to have dense (in person) social networks.

    The Wikipedia list of (mostly) famous people who have died from the virus also seems pretty lengthy considering the total number of deaths globally. I would guess, though, that will start to (or maybe already has) plateaued. The rich catch on quicker than the rest of us, and have greater means to isolate themselves. From here on out you’ll probably see a lot more poor or middle class 75-90 year olds who were living with their families or in nursing homes/assisted living centers, and not so many people of note.

    Perhaps a good way to keep tabs on this is to compare the list of famous deaths from the Wikipedia list to the daily number of total deaths.

  48. Lakewood NJ, Ultra orthodox, Jewish neighborhood. Well, we shall see.

    Posted by Manuel Og Roldan on Wednesday, April 1, 2020

  49. @Paleo Liberal
    Almost.

    The limiting effect appears to be the paucity of tests.

    The guy who wrote the song “I love Rock and Roll” couldn’t get a test until a few hours before his death. He spent the last 14 hours of his life in the ER waiting for treatment that was always “in a few minutes “.

    My wife is a health care worker. Her temperature is checked before every shift. Even though she and her colleagues have treated some possible CV-19 patients, neither she nor her colleagues are ever tested.

    If we had sufficient tests, every health care worker and first responder and possibly even every grocery clerk would be tested 15 minutes before the start of every shift.

    If we had sufficient tests, every health care worker and first responder and possibly even every grocery clerk would be tested 15 minutes before the start of every shift.

    And then every hospital would be even more handicapped, as they sent those people home.

    At a hospital my wife goes to, they check every employee’s temperature at the start of work. If they have a fever, they are sent home.

  50. @Twinkie

    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?
     
    No. South Korea consumes more Spam than any other country, save the United States (within which Hawaii consumes the most).

    In South Korea, you can buy “fancy” versions of Spam in many flavors that are locally (license-) made.

    One notable Korean dish that utilizes Spam is called Budae Jjigae, which means military unit/base stew. It’s very popular with Korean men (I suppose nostalgia for their military service plays a role) and is considered comfort food.

    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/euVyBKNfxkk/maxresdefault.jpg

    I grew up in a rural low-budget household with plenty of beef, salmon, venison. But Spam was a breakfast regular and I loved it more than even bacon. When I moved to the city and joined people of college age, I found out it was stigmatized. I learned how to hide my secret shame.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    My mom would feed us Spam irregularly as lunch, and like you, I consider it a treat.
  51. Or rich people get tested.

  52. I’ve been looking at Detroit, a real ‘comer’ in coronavirus roulette. The city has a heat map of the latest cases (2860) and the red and yellow areas seems to correspond with an area known as Grandmont Rosedale. I’m not familiar with Detroit but if my geography is correct the Grandmont Rosedale area is 94.1% black and 1.5% white. Not very ‘diverse’ by SJW standards.

    I suspect we will see the same thing in Philadelphia, Chicago and possibly Indianapolis as Indiana is now showing a real rise in cases unless the big cluster is in Gary.

    • Replies: @Muse
    My money is that these neighborhoods have lots of black government workers. Likely city, state, county, including the the poor people that worked the security lines for TSA at Detroit Metro Airport.

    I bet the people working TSA lines are getting hammered with the disease due to constant exposure.
  53. Anonymous[459] • Disclaimer says:

    I find it hard to imagine that Italy is the first country that springs to mind for most people as a country with high class medical care and a clean environment. I’m not saying Italy is third world but it’s no Germany or Switzerland either.

    Most people imagine Italian cities as crowded and somewhat chaotic and dirty by Western European standards.

    • Replies: @Bill P

    Italy 'a magnet' for Chinese tourists in 2020: ENIT

    Xinhua, January 24, 2020 [!]

    Italy promises to be "a magnet" for Chinese visitors in 2020, the National Tourism Board (ENIT), a public entity that promotes the country as a tourist destination, said in a statement on Thursday.
     
    [...]

    Chinese tourism in Italy is on an upward trend, with arrivals up by a whopping 16 percent in January-November 2019 compared to the same period the previous year and with average stays ranging from 9-13 nights, according to ENIT data.

    Chinese visitors spent over 650 million euros (718 million U.S. dollars) in Italy last year, up 40.8 percent year-on-year. This compares to 40 billion euros spent by all international tourists in Italy between January and October 2019, according to the ENIT.

    Last year, the preferred destinations by Chinese visitors were the northern Lombardy region, whose capital is Milan, and the central Lazio region, whose capital is Rome.

    These were followed by Tuscany, whose capital is Florence and the Veneto region, where Venice is the capital.
     
    http://www.china.org.cn/travel/2020-01/24/content_75645234.htm
    , @Alden
    Have you ever been to Italy, especially before the recent Arab African invasion?
  54. anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    I wrote a lot five years about Matthew Weiner's statements about how his growing up in Hancock Park without being allowed to join the Wilshire Country Club is the skeleton key that explains "Mad Men."

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/matthew-weiner-on-how-mad-men-is-driven-by-his-resentment-of-wasp-country-clubs/

    I wrote a lot five years about Matthew Weiner’s statements about how his growing up in Hancock Park without being allowed to join the Wilshire Country Club is the skeleton key that explains “Mad Men.”

    Your observations really adjusted my perception of that show. It wasn’t a satire about ad agencies and the sixties, it was a satire about me, a wasp, by someone who hated me with irrational gusto.

    Kinda took the fun out of the show for me.

  55. CSUN Creates Maps to Track COVID-19’s Progress Neighborhood By Neighborhood in L.A. County and County by County Across the U.S.

    https://csungis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=ad3d7225d7114764b2554e8bfa156668

  56. @Charon
    Weiner's worldview depends so much on things he heard somewhere along the line, which are always vague, paraphrased cliches, that I have to wonder if either he made them up, saw them on TV when he was young, or heard them from his Uncle Miltie.

    If I had to put money on it, I'd say a combination of the three, but it's an irony that much or all of it represents versions of versions. That is, media propaganda regurgitating itself through the decades.

    What's real? Does it matter anymore?

    “What’s real? Does it matter anymore?”

    As far as Mr Weiner is concerned, it never did.

    • Agree: Charon
  57. Playa del Rey is notorious for beach condos shared by airline attendants because of its ideal proximity to LAX – safe and pleasant. Within the last decade, blocks and blocks of Stalinist box housing has been shoehorned into one of the last remaining open spaces between the 405 and Lincoln. The crime rate will inch up as this housing ages, if it hasn’t already started.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Lots of blacks around the airport, Inglewood, LaTiera, everything west of the airport. Hispanic immigrants have moved in, but there’s still too many blacks near the airport.
  58. @jackson
    Ashkenazi genetic maladies include some that prominently affect the lungs.

    Btw, when the hell was Hancock Park downgraded to where effing "Mad Men’s Matthew Weiner grew up?" That isn't in the top 100 notable things about Hancock Park.

    Very true.

    But Hancock Park has always bored me: all of those straight streets and small lots, however nice many of the houses are.

    I did know an interesting family who lived there: no, two actually: one was made up of a scion of a very old Mexican Californian family (with governors of the colony in the 18th century among his ancestors) and his wife who was reputedly a descendant of Aztec royalty. One of their sons was a central casting idea of what an Aztec prince would look like.

    The other family were English baronets – what precisely they were doing in Los Angeles I never did find out.

    Steve mentioned Orthodox Jews. I last actually lived in LA in the late 1970s. Back then there was a largish (and ever larger) enclave of them (said to be mostly from Russia) to the west of Hancock Park a mile or two. Perhaps someone here (perhaps Steve himself) has some knowledge of how they are fairing forty years later?

  59. CNN Live today, lead story:


    Lisa Ling and former 2020 candidate Andrew Yang discuss the rise in racial threats amid the coronavirus pandemic

    coronavirus pandemic

  60. Vistited in-laws in Hancock Park 2010 12 and 14.
    Lived one block from Larchmont shopping area.
    High concentration of Chinese. Immediate
    Neighbors were Chinese students attending
    USC. As I was the chosen dog walker saw
    Many on my rounds.

  61. @Twinkie

    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?
     
    No. South Korea consumes more Spam than any other country, save the United States (within which Hawaii consumes the most).

    In South Korea, you can buy “fancy” versions of Spam in many flavors that are locally (license-) made.

    One notable Korean dish that utilizes Spam is called Budae Jjigae, which means military unit/base stew. It’s very popular with Korean men (I suppose nostalgia for their military service plays a role) and is considered comfort food.

    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/euVyBKNfxkk/maxresdefault.jpg

    Good eats!
    Best if served within sightline of the DMZ, I’m sure.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budae-jjigae

    https://mykoreankitchen.com/army-stew-budae-jjigae/

  62. @anonymous
    It definitely seems that blacks are largely genetically immune from coronavirus. There have been only 221 coronavirus deaths on the entire continent of Africa so far. And 166 of those deaths have been in either South Africa or North Africa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Africa


    And that's despite Chinese people traveling to Africa all the time. And Africa having the worst medical care in the world.

    Even with their 20% white genes, I think that Aframs are much less vulnerable to coronavirus than anybody else in the US. I don't really understand why the black neighborhoods aren't at the bottom of that list. Do blacks get tests more often than anybody else?

    Before repeating a falses meme, you should look up a few media stories.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/albany-georgia-coronavirus/index.html

    Two black funerals caused a surge in Covid-19 victims in Albany Georgia.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/albany-georgia-coronavirus/index.html

    Also, the first three NYPD employees who died in NYC were all black. Also, has everyone already forgotten the 10 NBA players who were infected.

  63. Anon[567] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    I can fairly confidently state that it was wealthy Chinese businessmen/elites who spread it in Europe. When the outbreak got going in Wuhan back in early January, those with the means fled the city immediately. The humbler Chinese fled to neighboring provinces, which prompted places like Jiangxi to set up roadblocks and organize patrols to keep them out. There's video of traffic jams of cars headed out of Wuhan before the lockdown went into effect.

    Rich Chinese simply flew out. Those who knew or feared they were infected were likely the most eager to flee, for reasons of self-preservation. Naturally a lot of them went to the towns and resorts popular with wealthy tourists, which is why so many elites have the virus. It's exactly the kind of pattern Chinese themselves would expect, as they have no illusions about the behavior of their elites. The same people flew back to China after the sickness they helped spread took hold in the rest of the world.

    There are currently lots of stories in China about sick people loading up on Tylenol before getting on a plane to go to a relatively unaffected place. This is why the Chinese authorities are now enforcing a mandatory quarantine on people arriving in China from abroad. However, they are, very disgustingly, spinning this in state media as proof that it is foreigners spreading the disease in China, when everyone knows 99% of the infected arrivals are themselves Chinese.

    Sadly, northern Italy's reputation as a healthy place with good medical care probably made it an attractive destination for infected Chinese. If you were a Chinese factory manager in Wuhan back in January, the people you'd just had a banquet with started coming down with a fever, and there were reports of chaos and crowds at the local hospital, you'd probably think "now would be a good time to book the next flight to Milan."

    When Western elites fully grasp what these Chinese did, they are going to be pretty angry about it. However, they deserve a lot of the blame themselves. They have only up to now profited from their relationship with Chinese elites. The consequences the rest of us have faced haven't been of much concern to them. Well, that has changed. This is their golden opportunity to make amends. If they blow it there might not be another.

    All the western elites care about is money, money money. The western elites may or not finally realize it’s a Chinese virus that developed in China and was spread all over the world by Chinese.

    But if they ever admit it to themselves, they’ll cover it up. I’m surprised it’s not called Skier’s flu, or Italian flu as the American army flu of 1918 is called Spanish flu.

  64. @Polynikes
    Interesting. Does a site somewhere have a hot map? I don’t know enough about LA real estate to visualize.

    For example, if the rich/infected parts are spots spread out, it gives credence to the high class, socializing theory of spread (or the they get tested first).

    It seems odd to me that the Chinese aren’t hit very hard. Do they not travel home for the Chinese New Years like their countrymen who live in NYC and northern Italy?

    Does a site somewhere have a hot map? I don’t know enough about LA real estate to visualize.

    It’s not per capita, but this might help.
    https://lacounty.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3db641e60de9451fa70e69dd5dadbce4

    • Thanks: Polynikes
  65. @Steve Sailer
    There isn't much evidence at the moment that California residents of Chinese descent are infected at a high rate.

    Is there evidence against that idea, or just no evidence? I would expect a trend of high prevalence in Chinese early then decreasing over time.

  66. @New Dealer
    I grew up in a rural low-budget household with plenty of beef, salmon, venison. But Spam was a breakfast regular and I loved it more than even bacon. When I moved to the city and joined people of college age, I found out it was stigmatized. I learned how to hide my secret shame.

    My mom would feed us Spam irregularly as lunch, and like you, I consider it a treat.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910

    My mom would feed us Spam irregularly as lunch, and like you, I consider it a treat.
     
    SPAM vs. TREET - Battle of Canned Meats - WHAT ARE WE EATING??
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF36H102iug

    SPAM just about everyone has eaten it at least once in their life. Good or bad it's still a very popular canned processed meat. TREET is a very similar product, though not nearly as popular. In this video I do a side by side comparison to see which is the superior canned meat.

     

  67. @Anonymous
    I find it hard to imagine that Italy is the first country that springs to mind for most people as a country with high class medical care and a clean environment. I'm not saying Italy is third world but it's no Germany or Switzerland either.

    Most people imagine Italian cities as crowded and somewhat chaotic and dirty by Western European standards.

    Italy ‘a magnet’ for Chinese tourists in 2020: ENIT

    Xinhua, January 24, 2020 [!]

    Italy promises to be “a magnet” for Chinese visitors in 2020, the National Tourism Board (ENIT), a public entity that promotes the country as a tourist destination, said in a statement on Thursday.

    […]

    Chinese tourism in Italy is on an upward trend, with arrivals up by a whopping 16 percent in January-November 2019 compared to the same period the previous year and with average stays ranging from 9-13 nights, according to ENIT data.

    Chinese visitors spent over 650 million euros (718 million U.S. dollars) in Italy last year, up 40.8 percent year-on-year. This compares to 40 billion euros spent by all international tourists in Italy between January and October 2019, according to the ENIT.

    Last year, the preferred destinations by Chinese visitors were the northern Lombardy region, whose capital is Milan, and the central Lazio region, whose capital is Rome.

    These were followed by Tuscany, whose capital is Florence and the Veneto region, where Venice is the capital.

    http://www.china.org.cn/travel/2020-01/24/content_75645234.htm

  68. @Steve Sailer
    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?

    well try “cooking” it instead of out of the can…?

  69. The LA County Department of Public Health does a daily update by community with case totals and density per community throughout the county. http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/Coronavirus/locations.htm

    Basically all above average densities are in affluent areas. There still are a lot of orthodox Jews in West LA roughly north of the 10 to around Melrose, and from around Century City to say Highland. These areas show much higher density. The African American high density areas are the affluent ones also.

  70. Observation: since basically everyone gets their food from grocery stores, the fact of such large variations between neighborhoods suggests that food is not a major cause of infection. That’s nothing other than what the CDC has already said (“no evidence that food is a primary transmitting source”) but it’s nice to (apparently) get some confirmation of that.

  71. @Steve Sailer
    The notion that low wage Chinese workers introduced CV to northern Italy rather than Chinese tourists or Italian business travelers is popular but unproven.

    The notion that low wage Chinese workers introduced CV to northern Italy rather than Chinese tourists or Italian business travelers is popular but unproven.

    I would assume all of these are true. (Unless “introduced” is intended to be like “took her virginity”.)

    • Agree: M_Young
  72. Anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    So, that’s why they are making all this fuss.

    When white death was happening among white proles, no one cared even though 100,000s were being killed directly or indirectly.

    But when homos died of HIV, there was a huge panic about how it’s gonna spread to everyone. Homos are special, and their disease has to be made our disease.

    Now that libby-dib cities and elites are among the hardest hit, it’s gotta be a big big issue. Never mind it’s self-inflicted globalitis.

  73. @Anonymous
    Yes, of course - the Chinese Americans knew this thing was going to hit from communication with their families on the Mainland. There are reports beginning to emerge, replete with videos and photos, of Chinese Americans cleaning out big box stores inventory of N-95 masks in February and early March. Another poster in this blog revealed that in this same time period, some Chinese Canadian communities, on their own initiative, were self quarantining members who had returned home from the New Years celebrations up to two weeks. They just didn't relate their sense of urgency about the Corona virus to everyone else....

    As I posted on another thread, if the Twinkies and Gene Su's of the world think there is anything about this crisis that is going to forge some sort of Asian “Conservative”- “Red” Caucasian coalition, they are out of their mind. I live in a very White, conservative region of the Greater Houston Area (Woodlands – Montgomery County). China and its diaspora's lack of transparency about the virus and the resulting consequences have devastated the West including many of my neighbors who are small business owners and restaurateurs. Some of the things I have heard these people say about the Chinese and their business practices (cheap substandard goods, wet markets, filthy kitchens, etc) in the last few weeks, rival their worst comments and feelings about blacks and hispanic (dark skinned) illegals. This pandemic and the resulting human toll (>100000 deaths) are a transformational event in Asian -White relations. Asian people in the States are in for a rough ride – trust me.

    You may be right. Asian/Latino relations are not so great since a Latina in Orange County made a video about Asians and coronavirus making fun of them. Also, the fancy people theory is somewhat correct since Newport Beach has been hit worst than Santa Ana.

  74. I hope Dennis Prager is alright — besides being a Jewish Angelino over the age of sixty who travels a lot, when the restriction guidelines came out, he found not visiting people to unthinkable, and insisted that you could visit the houses of friends while maintaining social distancing. An illustration of how deeply ingrained it is.

  75. @Anonymous
    Yes, of course - the Chinese Americans knew this thing was going to hit from communication with their families on the Mainland. There are reports beginning to emerge, replete with videos and photos, of Chinese Americans cleaning out big box stores inventory of N-95 masks in February and early March. Another poster in this blog revealed that in this same time period, some Chinese Canadian communities, on their own initiative, were self quarantining members who had returned home from the New Years celebrations up to two weeks. They just didn't relate their sense of urgency about the Corona virus to everyone else....

    As I posted on another thread, if the Twinkies and Gene Su's of the world think there is anything about this crisis that is going to forge some sort of Asian “Conservative”- “Red” Caucasian coalition, they are out of their mind. I live in a very White, conservative region of the Greater Houston Area (Woodlands – Montgomery County). China and its diaspora's lack of transparency about the virus and the resulting consequences have devastated the West including many of my neighbors who are small business owners and restaurateurs. Some of the things I have heard these people say about the Chinese and their business practices (cheap substandard goods, wet markets, filthy kitchens, etc) in the last few weeks, rival their worst comments and feelings about blacks and hispanic (dark skinned) illegals. This pandemic and the resulting human toll (>100000 deaths) are a transformational event in Asian -White relations. Asian people in the States are in for a rough ride – trust me.

    Oh, so you’re telling me that Americans will again #[email protected]& up any clarity, and chance for real change, gained from traumatic shocks to our system caused by our own elites (like 2008), and gain nothing as a result?

    Par for the course.

    Hating on the Chinese in America — who may not even be Chinese, actually — is a perfect way to lose any benefit from this.

    Hating on globalism, the fact that it has made us poorer and weaker, the fact that we as a nation have to beg for masks and medicine from other countries solely because of the greed of American elites, the fact that President Trump was right about the dangers of trade deficits and off shoring of manufacturering, and the need for tariffs, the fact that President Trump was right about the need for strong borders, the fact that immigrants who are really serious about assimilation shouldn’t be going back to their homelands much — and that is much safer for us as Americans, is all pretty compelling, and could be the very stick needed to beat any corporate whore Republicans into compliance.

    Of course, racists gonna race, this being iSteve, so we will probably piss away this opportunity while fantasizing about an ethnostate that will never be. Truly perfect is the enemy of good.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Stop - please. If Trump truly cared anything about the issues that you raise in your post, this crisis provided him with a perfect opportunity to address them. Imagine if at the end of January, during the height of the impeachment hoax, he had given a speech in prime time from the Oval office informing the American public that he was declaring an Emergency Order. That Order could have closed the border to all foreign nationals and instructed domestic manufacturers to accelerate the production of all the goods (PPE, antibiotics, hydroxychloroquine, etc.) that we are desperately short of as bodies pile up in refrigerator trucks parked outside of our nation's ERS.

    He would have taken a lot of heat in the short run, but as the Covid-19 body count piled up around the world, he would have been hailed as a hero by regular Americans, on both the left and right. This is the definition of political leadership (statesmanship and foresight). Instead he just ran around giving his stupid stump speech at political rallies calling Nancy Pelosi childish names and citing how many points the Stock Market had risen since he became president (all of which has evaporated in the two weeks since the shutdown).

    No matter what other Trumpboys tell you, there is no 5d chess. Just a NY conman, with his dumb daughter and son in law, fooling goobers that he really cares about their future. Get out of here.
  76. @Anonymous
    Yes, of course - the Chinese Americans knew this thing was going to hit from communication with their families on the Mainland. There are reports beginning to emerge, replete with videos and photos, of Chinese Americans cleaning out big box stores inventory of N-95 masks in February and early March. Another poster in this blog revealed that in this same time period, some Chinese Canadian communities, on their own initiative, were self quarantining members who had returned home from the New Years celebrations up to two weeks. They just didn't relate their sense of urgency about the Corona virus to everyone else....

    As I posted on another thread, if the Twinkies and Gene Su's of the world think there is anything about this crisis that is going to forge some sort of Asian “Conservative”- “Red” Caucasian coalition, they are out of their mind. I live in a very White, conservative region of the Greater Houston Area (Woodlands – Montgomery County). China and its diaspora's lack of transparency about the virus and the resulting consequences have devastated the West including many of my neighbors who are small business owners and restaurateurs. Some of the things I have heard these people say about the Chinese and their business practices (cheap substandard goods, wet markets, filthy kitchens, etc) in the last few weeks, rival their worst comments and feelings about blacks and hispanic (dark skinned) illegals. This pandemic and the resulting human toll (>100000 deaths) are a transformational event in Asian -White relations. Asian people in the States are in for a rough ride – trust me.

    To be fair, some of the most sensible comments I read in local Seattle media came from Chinese, particularly concerning Seattle Public Schools and King County dept of Health attempts to make the pandemic a social justice issue. The Chinese commenters were genuinely upset that local liberals were using the attention to preen and virtue signal, and said that now is not the time for that.

    However, orientals are not very high profile, and usually nobody pays attention to them. In this case, whites should have listened to people from China’s neighboring countries, Taiwan and HK in particular, because they know China much better than most Americans.

    The PRC is a global menace, but oriental people are not. I don’t think it would be wise to conflate the two, especially when we’re going to need help from a lot of those people in containing the last Communist empire.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    The PRC is a global menace,

    The PRC is NOT a global menace, neither is the Chinese Communist party. Yeah, China is not a democracy, but so what? The Chinese communist party endeavors, 24 hours/day, to improve the quality of life of the people of China. They don't care about the "global community", abstract notions of liberty or representation. They work for the Chinese people, and that is why the Chinese people are more than less happy with their government.
    , @J.Ross
    >don't be racist
    >against orientals
    Han are different from North-East Asians and expatriate Chinese are the PRC. Whatever small sense your examples offered was necessary because of an aggressive international fifty-center campaign.
    , @Anonymous
    I don't conflate the two either. However, it would be woefully naive to think that others will not. If HBD believers on this site (both Asian and White), believe it is perfectly fine for NYPD and immigrant shopkeepers to racially profile black teens based on the criminal behavior of a percentage of that cohort, why wont others "profile"the Chinese diaspora based on the criminally negligent actions of its homeland . That nation's failure to not 0nly contain the Covid-19 threat within its borders but to conceal the true nature of that threat to US authorities like the CDC, has thrown the world economy into a depression and will almost certainly prematurely kill hundreds of thousands of people. Think about the enormity of that - Unz, Sailer, Derbyshire, Kersey and many others consistently publish articles on here bashing the MSM for concealing the true cost (white lives lost, white flight from cities, etc) of black crime. I want you for a moment to consider those costs next to the costs imposed by the Chinese motherland:

    (1) As I write this response from Suburban Houston, the price of oil sits at $25/bbl (down from $50 early in year). All of this recent drop isn't attributable to Covid-19 alone (Russians/Saudi production decisions play a part),, but this drop has many of my neighbors fully expecting to lose their small oil field service businesses in the next 6 months. These losses will not only affect their businesses, but those businesses (restaurants, etc) that rely on them for their customers.

    (2)My next door neighbor's wife is an oncology nurse in the Texas Medical Center. There are patients with perfectly treatable cancers who are delaying vital treatments because they are terrified of being exposed to the virus in a health care setting. For many of them, it would almost certainly be a painful death sentence - worse than the cancer!!!

    Trump is a disaster. I almost threw a shoe through my TV when he called Xi his friend in one of those stupid, rambling Coronavirus task force news conferences. CCP mouthpieces are now blaming the US for bringing the virus to China. In fact there are reports that Chinese citizens are singling out foreign visitors as infection risks, even though their own nationals returning from places like Lombardy, as you point out,are the majority of COVID-19 cases arriving from abroad. What a mess!

    https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005386/foreigners-collateral-damage-as-china-curbs-imported-infections
    , @Anonymous
    I don't conflate the two either. However, it would be woefully naive to think that others will not. If HBD believers on this site (both Asian and White), believe it is perfectly fine for NYPD and immigrant shopkeepers to racially profile black teens based on the criminal behavior of a percentage of that cohort, why wont others "profile"the Chinese diaspora based on the criminally negligent actions of its homeland . That nation's failure to not 0nly contain the Covid-19 threat within its borders but to conceal the true nature of that threat to US authorities like the CDC, has thrown the world economy into a depression and will almost certainly prematurely kill hundreds of thousands of people. Think about the enormity of that - Unz, Sailer, Derbyshire, Kersey and many others consistently publish articles on here bashing the MSM for concealing the true cost (white lives lost, white flight from cities, etc) of black crime. I want you for a moment to consider those costs next to the costs imposed by the Chinese motherland:

    (1) As I write this response from Suburban Houston, the price of oil sits at $25/bbl (down from $50 early in year). All of this recent drop isn't attributable to Covid-19 alone (Russians/Saudi production decisions play a part),, but this drop has many of my neighbors fully expecting to lose their small oil field service businesses in the next 6 months. These losses will not only affect their businesses, but those businesses (restaurants, etc) that rely on them for their customers.

    (2)My next door neighbor's wife is an oncology nurse in the Texas Medical Center. There are patients with perfectly treatable cancers who are delaying vital treatments because they are terrified of being exposed to the virus in a health care setting. For many of them, it would almost certainly be a painful death sentence - worse than the cancer!!!

    Trump is a disaster. I almost threw a shoe through my TV when he called Xi his friend in one of those stupid, rambling Coronavirus task force news conferences. CCP mouthpieces are now blaming the US for bringing the virus to China. In fact there are reports that Chinese citizens are singling out foreign visitors as infection risks, even though their own nationals returning from places like Lombardy, as you point out,are the majority of COVID-19 cases arriving from abroad. What a mess!

    https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005386/foreigners-collateral-damage-as-china-curbs-imported-infections
  77. @Bill P
    To be fair, some of the most sensible comments I read in local Seattle media came from Chinese, particularly concerning Seattle Public Schools and King County dept of Health attempts to make the pandemic a social justice issue. The Chinese commenters were genuinely upset that local liberals were using the attention to preen and virtue signal, and said that now is not the time for that.

    However, orientals are not very high profile, and usually nobody pays attention to them. In this case, whites should have listened to people from China's neighboring countries, Taiwan and HK in particular, because they know China much better than most Americans.

    The PRC is a global menace, but oriental people are not. I don't think it would be wise to conflate the two, especially when we're going to need help from a lot of those people in containing the last Communist empire.

    The PRC is a global menace,

    The PRC is NOT a global menace, neither is the Chinese Communist party. Yeah, China is not a democracy, but so what? The Chinese communist party endeavors, 24 hours/day, to improve the quality of life of the people of China. They don’t care about the “global community”, abstract notions of liberty or representation. They work for the Chinese people, and that is why the Chinese people are more than less happy with their government.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    Given what's going on right now, I honestly don't know how anyone can claim that the PRC is not a threat to the rest of the world. I mean, maybe if you're getting paid, like Godfree Roberts, you can justify that sort of lie. But the behavior of the PRC before and during this pandemic has caused enormously bad consequences for billions of people, and that's undeniable at this point.
  78. @Bill P
    To be fair, some of the most sensible comments I read in local Seattle media came from Chinese, particularly concerning Seattle Public Schools and King County dept of Health attempts to make the pandemic a social justice issue. The Chinese commenters were genuinely upset that local liberals were using the attention to preen and virtue signal, and said that now is not the time for that.

    However, orientals are not very high profile, and usually nobody pays attention to them. In this case, whites should have listened to people from China's neighboring countries, Taiwan and HK in particular, because they know China much better than most Americans.

    The PRC is a global menace, but oriental people are not. I don't think it would be wise to conflate the two, especially when we're going to need help from a lot of those people in containing the last Communist empire.

    >don’t be racist
    >against orientals
    Han are different from North-East Asians and expatriate Chinese are the PRC. Whatever small sense your examples offered was necessary because of an aggressive international fifty-center campaign.

  79. @unit472
    I've been looking at Detroit, a real 'comer' in coronavirus roulette. The city has a heat map of the latest cases (2860) and the red and yellow areas seems to correspond with an area known as Grandmont Rosedale. I'm not familiar with Detroit but if my geography is correct the Grandmont Rosedale area is 94.1% black and 1.5% white. Not very 'diverse' by SJW standards.

    I suspect we will see the same thing in Philadelphia, Chicago and possibly Indianapolis as Indiana is now showing a real rise in cases unless the big cluster is in Gary.

    My money is that these neighborhoods have lots of black government workers. Likely city, state, county, including the the poor people that worked the security lines for TSA at Detroit Metro Airport.

    I bet the people working TSA lines are getting hammered with the disease due to constant exposure.

  80. @Steve Sailer
    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?

  81. @Steve Sailer
    Northern Italians are about the most average white people there are.

    Northern Italians are about the most average white people there are.

    Bill Kauffman’s grandmother insisted she was “almost Swiss”.


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  83. Anonymous[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    To be fair, some of the most sensible comments I read in local Seattle media came from Chinese, particularly concerning Seattle Public Schools and King County dept of Health attempts to make the pandemic a social justice issue. The Chinese commenters were genuinely upset that local liberals were using the attention to preen and virtue signal, and said that now is not the time for that.

    However, orientals are not very high profile, and usually nobody pays attention to them. In this case, whites should have listened to people from China's neighboring countries, Taiwan and HK in particular, because they know China much better than most Americans.

    The PRC is a global menace, but oriental people are not. I don't think it would be wise to conflate the two, especially when we're going to need help from a lot of those people in containing the last Communist empire.

    I don’t conflate the two either. However, it would be woefully naive to think that others will not. If HBD believers on this site (both Asian and White), believe it is perfectly fine for NYPD and immigrant shopkeepers to racially profile black teens based on the criminal behavior of a percentage of that cohort, why wont others “profile”the Chinese diaspora based on the criminally negligent actions of its homeland . That nation’s failure to not 0nly contain the Covid-19 threat within its borders but to conceal the true nature of that threat to US authorities like the CDC, has thrown the world economy into a depression and will almost certainly prematurely kill hundreds of thousands of people. Think about the enormity of that – Unz, Sailer, Derbyshire, Kersey and many others consistently publish articles on here bashing the MSM for concealing the true cost (white lives lost, white flight from cities, etc) of black crime. I want you for a moment to consider those costs next to the costs imposed by the Chinese motherland:

    (1) As I write this response from Suburban Houston, the price of oil sits at $25/bbl (down from $50 early in year). All of this recent drop isn’t attributable to Covid-19 alone (Russians/Saudi production decisions play a part),, but this drop has many of my neighbors fully expecting to lose their small oil field service businesses in the next 6 months. These losses will not only affect their businesses, but those businesses (restaurants, etc) that rely on them for their customers.

    (2)My next door neighbor’s wife is an oncology nurse in the Texas Medical Center. There are patients with perfectly treatable cancers who are delaying vital treatments because they are terrified of being exposed to the virus in a health care setting. For many of them, it would almost certainly be a painful death sentence – worse than the cancer!!!

    Trump is a disaster. I almost threw a shoe through my TV when he called Xi his friend in one of those stupid, rambling Coronavirus task force news conferences. CCP mouthpieces are now blaming the US for bringing the virus to China. In fact there are reports that Chinese citizens are singling out foreign visitors as infection risks, even though their own nationals returning from places like Lombardy, as you point out,are the majority of COVID-19 cases arriving from abroad. What a mess!

    https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005386/foreigners-collateral-damage-as-china-curbs-imported-infections

  84. @Anonymous
    Yes, of course - the Chinese Americans knew this thing was going to hit from communication with their families on the Mainland. There are reports beginning to emerge, replete with videos and photos, of Chinese Americans cleaning out big box stores inventory of N-95 masks in February and early March. Another poster in this blog revealed that in this same time period, some Chinese Canadian communities, on their own initiative, were self quarantining members who had returned home from the New Years celebrations up to two weeks. They just didn't relate their sense of urgency about the Corona virus to everyone else....

    As I posted on another thread, if the Twinkies and Gene Su's of the world think there is anything about this crisis that is going to forge some sort of Asian “Conservative”- “Red” Caucasian coalition, they are out of their mind. I live in a very White, conservative region of the Greater Houston Area (Woodlands – Montgomery County). China and its diaspora's lack of transparency about the virus and the resulting consequences have devastated the West including many of my neighbors who are small business owners and restaurateurs. Some of the things I have heard these people say about the Chinese and their business practices (cheap substandard goods, wet markets, filthy kitchens, etc) in the last few weeks, rival their worst comments and feelings about blacks and hispanic (dark skinned) illegals. This pandemic and the resulting human toll (>100000 deaths) are a transformational event in Asian -White relations. Asian people in the States are in for a rough ride – trust me.

    Asian people in the States are in for a rough ride – trust me.

    Sounds like wishful thinking.

    Twinkies

    I’m not Chinese.

    Many of the doctors and nurses who are heroically treating patients in NYC are ethnically Asian, who are disproportionately over represented in the medical professions. I don’t think people will forget that, and I think most Americans are bright enough to distinguish between foreign Chinese and their own citizens of Asian descent. This isn’t 1941.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Plus, as has already been demonstrated, the PRC's "volunteer" representation on social media will keep us informed of every single incident, real and imagined.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    This isn’t 1941.
     
    We have a better man in the White House.
  85. @Twinkie

    Asian people in the States are in for a rough ride – trust me.
     
    Sounds like wishful thinking.

    Twinkies
     
    I’m not Chinese.

    Many of the doctors and nurses who are heroically treating patients in NYC are ethnically Asian, who are disproportionately over represented in the medical professions. I don’t think people will forget that, and I think most Americans are bright enough to distinguish between foreign Chinese and their own citizens of Asian descent. This isn’t 1941.

    Plus, as has already been demonstrated, the PRC’s “volunteer” representation on social media will keep us informed of every single incident, real and imagined.

  86. @Twinkie

    Asian people in the States are in for a rough ride – trust me.
     
    Sounds like wishful thinking.

    Twinkies
     
    I’m not Chinese.

    Many of the doctors and nurses who are heroically treating patients in NYC are ethnically Asian, who are disproportionately over represented in the medical professions. I don’t think people will forget that, and I think most Americans are bright enough to distinguish between foreign Chinese and their own citizens of Asian descent. This isn’t 1941.

    This isn’t 1941.

    We have a better man in the White House.

  87. Little Ethiopia is a very small enclave limited to Fairfax between Olympic and Whitworth. I’ve been frequenting the Ethiopian restaurants there for 30+ years. There is no better place in California for authentic Ethiopian food, especially the doro wat (stewed chicken) at Rosalind’s. I hope that place survives this disease.

    The rules for eating Ethiopian food are simple. You only use one bare hand to eat (not the hand that you wipe your ass with–I’m not joking). You tear off a piece of injira (a type of sourdough spongy bread) to scoop up the morsels before shoveling it down your gullet. Important to know if any of y’all wind up there eating out of your comfort zone. It’s extremely underrated, and the northern African spices are pretty darn tasty.

    SPAM is yummy I’ll admit. It’s a melding of the words “shoulder pork” and “ham.” It’s basically the trimmings from the larger Hormel canned hams. It’s cooked in the tin, so everytime you open a can of SPAM, it’s completely sterile.

    If you are in the Asian market, stay away from the cheaper Chinese spam knock offs often labeled “luncheon meat.” That stuff is gross. Get the real thing. You can’t make a decent batch of fried rice without the real thing.

    • Replies: @newrouter
    "The rules for eating Ethiopian food are simple. You only use one bare hand to eat (not the hand that you wipe your ass with–I’m not joking)."

    Thanks I'll stick with a fork, knife or spoon.

  88. I didn’t include neighborhoods with no cases listed. The largest was East L.A., which is Mexican.

    It’s also the second-largest unincorporated “census-designated place” in the US, behind Honolulu. (Hawaii doesn’t incorporate her cities.)

    Why put up with a corrupt municipal government like Bell’s when you can leave everything to the county?

  89. @Joe Stalin
    My mom would feed us Spam irregularly as lunch, and like you, I consider it a treat.

    My mom would feed us Spam irregularly as lunch, and like you, I consider it a treat.

    SPAM vs. TREET – Battle of Canned Meats – WHAT ARE WE EATING??

    SPAM just about everyone has eaten it at least once in their life. Good or bad it’s still a very popular canned processed meat. TREET is a very similar product, though not nearly as popular. In this video I do a side by side comparison to see which is the superior canned meat.

  90. t says:
    @Anonymous
    Yes, of course - the Chinese Americans knew this thing was going to hit from communication with their families on the Mainland. There are reports beginning to emerge, replete with videos and photos, of Chinese Americans cleaning out big box stores inventory of N-95 masks in February and early March. Another poster in this blog revealed that in this same time period, some Chinese Canadian communities, on their own initiative, were self quarantining members who had returned home from the New Years celebrations up to two weeks. They just didn't relate their sense of urgency about the Corona virus to everyone else....

    As I posted on another thread, if the Twinkies and Gene Su's of the world think there is anything about this crisis that is going to forge some sort of Asian “Conservative”- “Red” Caucasian coalition, they are out of their mind. I live in a very White, conservative region of the Greater Houston Area (Woodlands – Montgomery County). China and its diaspora's lack of transparency about the virus and the resulting consequences have devastated the West including many of my neighbors who are small business owners and restaurateurs. Some of the things I have heard these people say about the Chinese and their business practices (cheap substandard goods, wet markets, filthy kitchens, etc) in the last few weeks, rival their worst comments and feelings about blacks and hispanic (dark skinned) illegals. This pandemic and the resulting human toll (>100000 deaths) are a transformational event in Asian -White relations. Asian people in the States are in for a rough ride – trust me.

    Yes, of course – the Chinese Americans knew this thing was going to hit from communication with their families on the Mainland. There are reports beginning to emerge, replete with videos and photos, of Chinese Americans cleaning out big box stores inventory of N-95 masks in February and early March. Another poster in this blog revealed that in this same time period, some Chinese Canadian communities, on their own initiative, were self quarantining members who had returned home from the New Years celebrations up to two weeks. They just didn’t relate their sense of urgency about the Corona virus to everyone else….

    I had more than one Chinese born Chinese person warn me about the virus including telling me to stay away from Chinatown. Meanwhile White liberals in the media were claiming that avoiding Chinatown is racist and blaming white racism, rather than Chinese social distancing for the decline in business in Chinatown.

  91. Anonymous[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    To be fair, some of the most sensible comments I read in local Seattle media came from Chinese, particularly concerning Seattle Public Schools and King County dept of Health attempts to make the pandemic a social justice issue. The Chinese commenters were genuinely upset that local liberals were using the attention to preen and virtue signal, and said that now is not the time for that.

    However, orientals are not very high profile, and usually nobody pays attention to them. In this case, whites should have listened to people from China's neighboring countries, Taiwan and HK in particular, because they know China much better than most Americans.

    The PRC is a global menace, but oriental people are not. I don't think it would be wise to conflate the two, especially when we're going to need help from a lot of those people in containing the last Communist empire.

    I don’t conflate the two either. However, it would be woefully naive to think that others will not. If HBD believers on this site (both Asian and White), believe it is perfectly fine for NYPD and immigrant shopkeepers to racially profile black teens based on the criminal behavior of a percentage of that cohort, why wont others “profile”the Chinese diaspora based on the criminally negligent actions of its homeland . That nation’s failure to not 0nly contain the Covid-19 threat within its borders but to conceal the true nature of that threat to US authorities like the CDC, has thrown the world economy into a depression and will almost certainly prematurely kill hundreds of thousands of people. Think about the enormity of that – Unz, Sailer, Derbyshire, Kersey and many others consistently publish articles on here bashing the MSM for concealing the true cost (white lives lost, white flight from cities, etc) of black crime. I want you for a moment to consider those costs next to the costs imposed by the Chinese motherland:

    (1) As I write this response from Suburban Houston, the price of oil sits at $25/bbl (down from $50 early in year). All of this recent drop isn’t attributable to Covid-19 alone (Russians/Saudi production decisions play a part),, but this drop has many of my neighbors fully expecting to lose their small oil field service businesses in the next 6 months. These losses will not only affect their businesses, but those businesses (restaurants, etc) that rely on them for their customers.

    (2)My next door neighbor’s wife is an oncology nurse in the Texas Medical Center. There are patients with perfectly treatable cancers who are delaying vital treatments because they are terrified of being exposed to the virus in a health care setting. For many of them, it would almost certainly be a painful death sentence – worse than the cancer!!!

    Trump is a disaster. I almost threw a shoe through my TV when he called Xi his friend in one of those stupid, rambling Coronavirus task force news conferences. CCP mouthpieces are now blaming the US for bringing the virus to China. In fact there are reports that Chinese citizens are singling out foreign visitors as infection risks, even though their own nationals returning from places like Lombardy, as you point out,are the majority of COVID-19 cases arriving from abroad. What a mess!

    https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005386/foreigners-collateral-damage-as-china-curbs-imported-infections

    • Replies: @Bill P
    I hate to say it, but it's worse than you think. Very few people in the US fully appreciate the damage our special relationship with China has caused over the past 30 years.

    We handed rocket as well as thermonuclear warhead miniaturization technology over to them. I sat next to a Canadian engineer on a flight to Beijing back in '98 and he calmly explained how he was helping teach Chinese how to build jet engines for military aircraft. Caterpillar was teaching them how to build tanks. Everyone over there knew what was going on, most were uneasy about it, but the money was good.

    The extent of the treason our white elites were engaging in would blow your mind. The engineers and foreign "experts" I knew over there were not enthusiastic about the whole thing, but again they were making good money.

    The American media in China at the time acted like lords and ladies rather than journalists who owed the truth to the American people they were supposedly informing. Andrea Koppel was running the CNN Beijing bureau at the time and was worse than worthless.

    The FBI in the 90s totally ignored Chinese interference in US elections. You might remember some talk of this from back then, but nothing came of it.

    I could go on and on, but you probably get the gist of it. The thing is, we can't at this point just blame all the orientals when a plurality of the people who warned us about the CCP and consistently resisted the regime happen to be yellow people.

    I'm not at all happy about how things have gone regarding China, but for God's sake let's not be fools and give our traitors a pass while punishing our allies. That way we'll all lose.
    , @Anonymous

    [China's] failure to not 0nly contain the Covid-19 threat within its borders but to conceal the true nature of that threat to US authorities like the CDC, ...
     
    We are paying CDC big $$$ to find out what is REALLY going on in the realm of infectious diseases, not to read and swallow whole official press releases from China or elsewhere.

    There are a myriad reasons - good, bad, and indifferent - why U.S. and foreign health statistics are often incomplete, misleading (intentionally or incompetently), simply wrong (math geniuses typically don't go to med school), etc.

    BTW, under the U.S. Constitution, health policy is quintessentially a state matter. The Feds only get to butt in under the tenuous pretext that it involves "interstate commerce" and, of course, that the Feds can throw away money on anything they like.

    , @Johann Ricke

    Trump is a disaster. I almost threw a shoe through my TV when he called Xi his friend in one of those stupid, rambling Coronavirus task force news conferences.
     
    I'm a Trump supporter because he's gotten excellent results with respect to judgeship appointments and moved the GOP well to the right on any number of issues. But every time he does his insincere "my good friend Putin/Xi/generic enemy of America" shtick, it really grates. He's the president of the United States, not a courtier in their administration who risks losing his head over the tiniest wrong gesture or word. He should be able to say what he means. It's humiliating, even if the oleaginous servility is a pose.
  92. @Daniel H
    The PRC is a global menace,

    The PRC is NOT a global menace, neither is the Chinese Communist party. Yeah, China is not a democracy, but so what? The Chinese communist party endeavors, 24 hours/day, to improve the quality of life of the people of China. They don't care about the "global community", abstract notions of liberty or representation. They work for the Chinese people, and that is why the Chinese people are more than less happy with their government.

    Given what’s going on right now, I honestly don’t know how anyone can claim that the PRC is not a threat to the rest of the world. I mean, maybe if you’re getting paid, like Godfree Roberts, you can justify that sort of lie. But the behavior of the PRC before and during this pandemic has caused enormously bad consequences for billions of people, and that’s undeniable at this point.

  93. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @XYZ (no Mr.)
    Oh, so you're telling me that Americans will again #[email protected]& up any clarity, and chance for real change, gained from traumatic shocks to our system caused by our own elites (like 2008), and gain nothing as a result?

    Par for the course.

    Hating on the Chinese in America -- who may not even be Chinese, actually -- is a perfect way to lose any benefit from this.

    Hating on globalism, the fact that it has made us poorer and weaker, the fact that we as a nation have to beg for masks and medicine from other countries solely because of the greed of American elites, the fact that President Trump was right about the dangers of trade deficits and off shoring of manufacturering, and the need for tariffs, the fact that President Trump was right about the need for strong borders, the fact that immigrants who are really serious about assimilation shouldn't be going back to their homelands much -- and that is much safer for us as Americans, is all pretty compelling, and could be the very stick needed to beat any corporate whore Republicans into compliance.

    Of course, racists gonna race, this being iSteve, so we will probably piss away this opportunity while fantasizing about an ethnostate that will never be. Truly perfect is the enemy of good.

    Stop – please. If Trump truly cared anything about the issues that you raise in your post, this crisis provided him with a perfect opportunity to address them. Imagine if at the end of January, during the height of the impeachment hoax, he had given a speech in prime time from the Oval office informing the American public that he was declaring an Emergency Order. That Order could have closed the border to all foreign nationals and instructed domestic manufacturers to accelerate the production of all the goods (PPE, antibiotics, hydroxychloroquine, etc.) that we are desperately short of as bodies pile up in refrigerator trucks parked outside of our nation’s ERS.

    He would have taken a lot of heat in the short run, but as the Covid-19 body count piled up around the world, he would have been hailed as a hero by regular Americans, on both the left and right. This is the definition of political leadership (statesmanship and foresight). Instead he just ran around giving his stupid stump speech at political rallies calling Nancy Pelosi childish names and citing how many points the Stock Market had risen since he became president (all of which has evaporated in the two weeks since the shutdown).

    No matter what other Trumpboys tell you, there is no 5d chess. Just a NY conman, with his dumb daughter and son in law, fooling goobers that he really cares about their future. Get out of here.

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    What a dumbass fantasy you spin. Again, Trump is the only recent president to tackle seriously the issue of American dependence on foreign goods -- with pressure applied with lots of tariffs -- you do know what those are, correct? Probably not. Perhaps if jackasses like Pelosi, or a bunch of corporate Republicans, hadn't fought the most commonsensical idea of bringing back American manufacturing for the past three years, we would be in a much better situation now. But of course, Trump could have commanded everyone at the end of this January to radically change both their economics and behavior, just because. The fact that you would ever think that that would go smoothly at all, not to mention Trump would be considered a hero by both the left and right, is either a pathetic attempt at a master troll, or imbecilic. Hint -- it's the latter.

    Steve Sailer has indeed made me a believer in HBD by reading some of the commenters here, including you. No amount of education will fix your stupidity, it's got to be genetic.
    , @William Badwhite

    He would have taken a lot of heat in the short run,
     
    No, his EO's would have been immediately halted by some asshole federal judge. In the future, try to pay attention before writing inane posts.
  94. @Anonymous
    I find it hard to imagine that Italy is the first country that springs to mind for most people as a country with high class medical care and a clean environment. I'm not saying Italy is third world but it's no Germany or Switzerland either.

    Most people imagine Italian cities as crowded and somewhat chaotic and dirty by Western European standards.

    Have you ever been to Italy, especially before the recent Arab African invasion?

  95. @Marat
    Playa del Rey is notorious for beach condos shared by airline attendants because of its ideal proximity to LAX - safe and pleasant. Within the last decade, blocks and blocks of Stalinist box housing has been shoehorned into one of the last remaining open spaces between the 405 and Lincoln. The crime rate will inch up as this housing ages, if it hasn’t already started.

    Lots of blacks around the airport, Inglewood, LaTiera, everything west of the airport. Hispanic immigrants have moved in, but there’s still too many blacks near the airport.

  96. @petit bourgeois
    Little Ethiopia is a very small enclave limited to Fairfax between Olympic and Whitworth. I've been frequenting the Ethiopian restaurants there for 30+ years. There is no better place in California for authentic Ethiopian food, especially the doro wat (stewed chicken) at Rosalind's. I hope that place survives this disease.

    The rules for eating Ethiopian food are simple. You only use one bare hand to eat (not the hand that you wipe your ass with--I'm not joking). You tear off a piece of injira (a type of sourdough spongy bread) to scoop up the morsels before shoveling it down your gullet. Important to know if any of y'all wind up there eating out of your comfort zone. It's extremely underrated, and the northern African spices are pretty darn tasty.

    SPAM is yummy I'll admit. It's a melding of the words "shoulder pork" and "ham." It's basically the trimmings from the larger Hormel canned hams. It's cooked in the tin, so everytime you open a can of SPAM, it's completely sterile.

    If you are in the Asian market, stay away from the cheaper Chinese spam knock offs often labeled "luncheon meat." That stuff is gross. Get the real thing. You can't make a decent batch of fried rice without the real thing.

    “The rules for eating Ethiopian food are simple. You only use one bare hand to eat (not the hand that you wipe your ass with–I’m not joking).”

    Thanks I’ll stick with a fork, knife or spoon.

    • Replies: @anon
    Most cultures have figured out eating with the hands has problems.

    Chopsticks are at least 2,000 years old if not 3,000. Stainless steel is easy to sterilize.

    What's difficult about this problem?
  97. Anybody know of any websites tracking cases and deaths and using statistics to extrapolate and predict peak cases and deaths?

  98. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polynikes
    Interesting. Does a site somewhere have a hot map? I don’t know enough about LA real estate to visualize.

    For example, if the rich/infected parts are spots spread out, it gives credence to the high class, socializing theory of spread (or the they get tested first).

    It seems odd to me that the Chinese aren’t hit very hard. Do they not travel home for the Chinese New Years like their countrymen who live in NYC and northern Italy?

    It seems odd to me that the Chinese aren’t hit very hard. Do they not travel home for the Chinese New Years like their countrymen who live in NYC and northern Italy?

    California has Chinese communities going back to the 19th century. California has been their home since then.

    Most new immigrants from China prefer to live in the suburbs with good schools.

    Those born or long-established in the U.S. will rarely go “home” to China, unlike Chinese garment workers in Italy who slave away all year and briefly return to visit family in China over Chinese New Year.

  99. @Anonymous
    Stop - please. If Trump truly cared anything about the issues that you raise in your post, this crisis provided him with a perfect opportunity to address them. Imagine if at the end of January, during the height of the impeachment hoax, he had given a speech in prime time from the Oval office informing the American public that he was declaring an Emergency Order. That Order could have closed the border to all foreign nationals and instructed domestic manufacturers to accelerate the production of all the goods (PPE, antibiotics, hydroxychloroquine, etc.) that we are desperately short of as bodies pile up in refrigerator trucks parked outside of our nation's ERS.

    He would have taken a lot of heat in the short run, but as the Covid-19 body count piled up around the world, he would have been hailed as a hero by regular Americans, on both the left and right. This is the definition of political leadership (statesmanship and foresight). Instead he just ran around giving his stupid stump speech at political rallies calling Nancy Pelosi childish names and citing how many points the Stock Market had risen since he became president (all of which has evaporated in the two weeks since the shutdown).

    No matter what other Trumpboys tell you, there is no 5d chess. Just a NY conman, with his dumb daughter and son in law, fooling goobers that he really cares about their future. Get out of here.

    What a dumbass fantasy you spin. Again, Trump is the only recent president to tackle seriously the issue of American dependence on foreign goods — with pressure applied with lots of tariffs — you do know what those are, correct? Probably not. Perhaps if jackasses like Pelosi, or a bunch of corporate Republicans, hadn’t fought the most commonsensical idea of bringing back American manufacturing for the past three years, we would be in a much better situation now. But of course, Trump could have commanded everyone at the end of this January to radically change both their economics and behavior, just because. The fact that you would ever think that that would go smoothly at all, not to mention Trump would be considered a hero by both the left and right, is either a pathetic attempt at a master troll, or imbecilic. Hint — it’s the latter.

    Steve Sailer has indeed made me a believer in HBD by reading some of the commenters here, including you. No amount of education will fix your stupidity, it’s got to be genetic.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    But of course, Trump could have commanded everyone at the end of this January to radically change both their economics and behavior, just because. The fact that you would ever think that that would go smoothly at all, not to mention Trump would be considered a hero by both the left and right, is either a pathetic attempt at a master troll, or imbecilic. Hint — it’s the latter.
     
    Given that he was in the middle of being impeached, I'm gonna say the chances of him being able to do all those things were slim and none. And a big chunk of the opposition would have come from people like Mitt Romney and Mike Lee. If the virus had turned out to be a nothingburger elsewhere, he would have essentially lost the election almost a full year before voters were set to turn out.
    , @Anonymous
    "just because"

    By the end of January, China had already imposed the largest quarantine in history - almost 800 million people were confined to their homes!! The epidemic was full blown with over 12,000 confirmed cases and 300 deaths. The kind of chilling images that we are currently seeing in our own ERs were already occurring in Wuhan and being broadcast to the world. Unlike you apparently, I saw them with my own eyes - families desperately seeking to properly dispose of their loved ones Covid-19 infected bodies outside of distressed hospitals.

    China has one of the the most widely dispersed diasporas in the world. There are "Chinatown"s throughout the world, including Europe, North America, South America, Asia, Africa, Australasia and the Middle East. With the popular Chinese New Years at full steam by the end of January, it didnt take much of a mental leap to realize that this epidemic would spread rapidly and widely. This isnt 20/20 hindsight- I'd bet a million dollars that future Congressional investigations into the pandemic will reveal that our intelligence agencies, which Trump disparages all the time, made this fact very clear to him.

    At that point, Trump had more than enough information to present a coherent story to the American public that Covid19 was a threat to our national security that required a prompt, robust unprecedented response. In fact, the Great Orange Hope, would have even had dramtic color photos for his "perfect, beautiful" presentation: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2020/01/coronavirus-photos-wuhan-under-quarantine/605605/

    It is you and others still on the Trump train that are the imbeciles. Touting this guy as some sort of political savant leading a movement against the "Deep State" to save "our" country is the ultimate cruel joke. He was unwilling to risk some of his own political hide to "save us" because it would have shaven points off the Dow Jones. The Wall Street crud (Kudlow, Mnuchin, et al) that are all over his administration wouldn't have stood for it. Indeed.

    Get out of here.

    , @Johann Ricke

    But of course, Trump could have commanded everyone at the end of this January to radically change both their economics and behavior, just because. The fact that you would ever think that that would go smoothly at all, not to mention Trump would be considered a hero by both the left and right, is either a pathetic attempt at a master troll, or imbecilic. Hint — it’s the latter.
     
    Another way of putting this is - you can't fight the Japanese until they attack Pearl Harbor, and you can't fight the Germans until they declare war on you. And the reason is the costs are astronomical. Even after the Germans and the Japanese had been weakened by a period of attrition losses against their initial adversaries, they still cost the US 400,000 dead and ~2 years of industrial output shelled out as defense spending, the equivalent of $90T in today's economy. If we counted all the expenses for the medical care for millions of wounded and shell-shocked troops as well, the way left-wingers account for "hidden" spending in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, where tens of thousands of soldiers might have incurred various types of long-term damage, the bill might be $500T. How do you justify these kinds of sacrifices without the danger actually showing up on your doorstep? You can't.

    And that's why Xi Jinping's systematic lies and coverups about the nature of this virus were so damaging. But even if he had been completely transparent, the disparity between American and Chinese medical standards meant that we would have been skeptical that drastic measures were necessary stateside. American views about the Chinese run the gamut between mud people and grimy jumped-up peasants in designer clothing partial to cats and dogs as food rather than pets. No way could we catch what they have unless we step a century back. Bottom line is this unfolded the way it did because there was no way to foresee* what would happen, and anyone who claims he did is full of crap.

    * Xi Jinping probably did his lie and coverup act because he was afraid that China would end up looking like a decrepit Third World country when the virus turned out to be a nothingburger in the West while killing hundreds of thousands in China. Now that the per capita casualty numbers in Italy and Spain are approaching 2 orders of magnitude larger than China's, you gotta figure that John Chinaman is starting to doubt the official narrative. In retrospect, Xi lied and covered up unnecessarily. But that's likely because he thought the virus would be a fizzle in the West due to the disparity in personal habits and medical standards - he lacked the gift of foresight that every single Monday morning quarterback seems to have in abundance.

  100. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Len
    I expect we will see California test results pick up once we finish counting primary ballots.

    I expect we will see California test results pick up once we finish counting primary ballots.

    So we can look forward to PRELIMINARY TEST RESULTS no later than, say, fall of 2023?

  101. @Polynikes
    On one hand, N. Italy, Seattle, and NYC being hit hard first supports that theory. On the other hand, you would think that Vancouver, San Fran and LA (maybe Houston too?) would be equally as hard hit.

    Business travel to China goes both ways. It could’ve been westerners who traveled there and brought it back. Or both.

    Vancouver is surprising, but the R0 factor seems to be the greatest in climates like Seattle and New York, not the sun belt. Unless of course you have something like Mardi Gras, where even Ebola might have a chance to spread (half joking).

  102. @newrouter
    "The rules for eating Ethiopian food are simple. You only use one bare hand to eat (not the hand that you wipe your ass with–I’m not joking)."

    Thanks I'll stick with a fork, knife or spoon.

    Most cultures have figured out eating with the hands has problems.

    Chopsticks are at least 2,000 years old if not 3,000. Stainless steel is easy to sterilize.

    What’s difficult about this problem?

  103. @Paleo Liberal
    I noticed a lot more mask wearing in Asian grocery stores in Wisconsin compared to the whiter stores.

    Asians are much more likely to wear masks.

    There is a community of about 50,000 Chinese is Tuscany, in a city called Prato. Apparently the CV-19 rate among the Chinese is significantly lower than the rest of the area.

    As in, zero confirmed cases.

    I see that too, though my intuition is that Asians are wearing masks to be considerate because they believe Whites et al may be blaming them for the virus. An analogy would be a Middle Easterner wearing a patriotic t-shirt following 911 (though I can’t recall ever seeing that). If Koreans had brought down the World Trade Center every Asian would be wearing an American Flag t-shirt the next day.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I see that too, though my intuition is that Asians are wearing masks to be considerate because they believe Whites et al may be blaming them for the virus.
     
    I see you haven’t been to Tokyo or Seoul during flu season. They wear masks with no whites around.

    If Koreans had brought down the World Trade Center every Asian would be wearing an American Flag t-shirt the next day.
     
    No, many Korean-Americans would sign up to serve in the American military to bring down the attackers, as the Nisei-Japanese did after Pearl Harbor. Japanese- and Korean-Americans have a strong ethos of patriotism, and rarely, if at all, exhibit dual loyalty some other ethnic groups in America have.
  104. @Steve Sailer
    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?

    “Spam is really awful.”

    No. When sliced thin and fried crispy, it tastes like bacon but with a meaty al dente heft that bacon lacks. And it is versatile.

    Downside: Spam is pricier per pound than ground beef, tuna, or chicken, and it makes the house stink like any other fried pork.

  105. @Anonymous
    I don't conflate the two either. However, it would be woefully naive to think that others will not. If HBD believers on this site (both Asian and White), believe it is perfectly fine for NYPD and immigrant shopkeepers to racially profile black teens based on the criminal behavior of a percentage of that cohort, why wont others "profile"the Chinese diaspora based on the criminally negligent actions of its homeland . That nation's failure to not 0nly contain the Covid-19 threat within its borders but to conceal the true nature of that threat to US authorities like the CDC, has thrown the world economy into a depression and will almost certainly prematurely kill hundreds of thousands of people. Think about the enormity of that - Unz, Sailer, Derbyshire, Kersey and many others consistently publish articles on here bashing the MSM for concealing the true cost (white lives lost, white flight from cities, etc) of black crime. I want you for a moment to consider those costs next to the costs imposed by the Chinese motherland:

    (1) As I write this response from Suburban Houston, the price of oil sits at $25/bbl (down from $50 early in year). All of this recent drop isn't attributable to Covid-19 alone (Russians/Saudi production decisions play a part),, but this drop has many of my neighbors fully expecting to lose their small oil field service businesses in the next 6 months. These losses will not only affect their businesses, but those businesses (restaurants, etc) that rely on them for their customers.

    (2)My next door neighbor's wife is an oncology nurse in the Texas Medical Center. There are patients with perfectly treatable cancers who are delaying vital treatments because they are terrified of being exposed to the virus in a health care setting. For many of them, it would almost certainly be a painful death sentence - worse than the cancer!!!

    Trump is a disaster. I almost threw a shoe through my TV when he called Xi his friend in one of those stupid, rambling Coronavirus task force news conferences. CCP mouthpieces are now blaming the US for bringing the virus to China. In fact there are reports that Chinese citizens are singling out foreign visitors as infection risks, even though their own nationals returning from places like Lombardy, as you point out,are the majority of COVID-19 cases arriving from abroad. What a mess!

    https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005386/foreigners-collateral-damage-as-china-curbs-imported-infections

    I hate to say it, but it’s worse than you think. Very few people in the US fully appreciate the damage our special relationship with China has caused over the past 30 years.

    We handed rocket as well as thermonuclear warhead miniaturization technology over to them. I sat next to a Canadian engineer on a flight to Beijing back in ’98 and he calmly explained how he was helping teach Chinese how to build jet engines for military aircraft. Caterpillar was teaching them how to build tanks. Everyone over there knew what was going on, most were uneasy about it, but the money was good.

    The extent of the treason our white elites were engaging in would blow your mind. The engineers and foreign “experts” I knew over there were not enthusiastic about the whole thing, but again they were making good money.

    The American media in China at the time acted like lords and ladies rather than journalists who owed the truth to the American people they were supposedly informing. Andrea Koppel was running the CNN Beijing bureau at the time and was worse than worthless.

    The FBI in the 90s totally ignored Chinese interference in US elections. You might remember some talk of this from back then, but nothing came of it.

    I could go on and on, but you probably get the gist of it. The thing is, we can’t at this point just blame all the orientals when a plurality of the people who warned us about the CCP and consistently resisted the regime happen to be yellow people.

    I’m not at all happy about how things have gone regarding China, but for God’s sake let’s not be fools and give our traitors a pass while punishing our allies. That way we’ll all lose.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    We handed rocket as well as thermonuclear warhead miniaturization technology over to them.
     
    In the late 90’s, American avionics companies were openly dealing with Chinese intermediaries who were indicted by a grand jury for diverting American technology to PLA factories and R&D facilities. Eventually, it became a problem for those companies and, then poof! Those intermediaries dissolved themselves and the relevant personnel reconstituted under new names. Rinse and repeat.

    There are a lot of traitors in our corporate world who deserve a bullet to their heads.

    I was a naive, young investigator at the time and it was a shock to me.

    One large American defense contractor even took all the American flags down and bedecked the whole company HQ with Communist Chinese flags whenever the Chinese delegation was in town. It was completely disgusting and pathetic.

    , @Anonymous
    Bill P

    Nice response to my post. The anger in my writing isn't really directed towards non-Chinese Asian people, but towards the stewards of this blog that claim to be fearless purveyors of the "hard" truth and defenders of "birthright" America .

    I have followed Unz and Sailer's work closely for over 10 years, but I've been completely blind sided by the events of the last month. According to such pundits, Chinese expats and immigrants were the "model" minority that the US and other Western nations should eagerly exchange for IQ deficient and criminally troublesome NAMs. With the US death total approaching 6000 and the economy shrinking every minute, I realize that the positions of Unz and his like are every bit a threat to my everyday life as the Pelosi's and AOC's they excoriate at every turn. God help us.
  106. @JimB
    ”There isn’t much evidence at the moment that California residents of Chinese descent are infected at a high rate.“

    If the naturalized Chinese in California are avoiding Kung Flu, it is because most of them speak Mandarin and follow Chinese news. While white liberals were glued to Rachel Maddow’s daily accounts of the Trump’s impeachment since last November, Chinese have been buzzing about rumors of a terrible new virus appearing in Wuhan. By the time the virus was on CNNs radar, Chinese in the US had shipped nearly two billion N95 masks back to China.

    It’s called Covid-19.

    Speaking of something that should be NOTICED, I thought Trump by now would be clamping down on American companies engaging in this unpatriotic activity.

    https://theintercept.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-medical-supplies-export/

    The U.S. government has placed no restrictions on exports of medical supplies while continuing to impose financial penalties on the import of personal protective gear, protective goggles, pulse oximeters, hand sanitizer, and other medical products from China.

    Then again, Triump had the federal government compete with state governments for those supplies.

    https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2020/03/26/charlie-baker-trump-administration-medical-supplies

    In that way, Trump can play the “hero” by saying “Well, look here, we do have what the states need. Here you go.”

    Too bad our resident pattern recognizer isn’t paying attention, or if he is, he is being his typical cagey self.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    Too bad our resident pattern recognizer isn’t paying attention, or if he is, he is being his typical cagey self.

     

    Maybe he's just not paying any attention to your tiresome look-at-me routine.

    https://thearmitageeffect.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/woody-woodpecker.png?w=652
  107. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I don't conflate the two either. However, it would be woefully naive to think that others will not. If HBD believers on this site (both Asian and White), believe it is perfectly fine for NYPD and immigrant shopkeepers to racially profile black teens based on the criminal behavior of a percentage of that cohort, why wont others "profile"the Chinese diaspora based on the criminally negligent actions of its homeland . That nation's failure to not 0nly contain the Covid-19 threat within its borders but to conceal the true nature of that threat to US authorities like the CDC, has thrown the world economy into a depression and will almost certainly prematurely kill hundreds of thousands of people. Think about the enormity of that - Unz, Sailer, Derbyshire, Kersey and many others consistently publish articles on here bashing the MSM for concealing the true cost (white lives lost, white flight from cities, etc) of black crime. I want you for a moment to consider those costs next to the costs imposed by the Chinese motherland:

    (1) As I write this response from Suburban Houston, the price of oil sits at $25/bbl (down from $50 early in year). All of this recent drop isn't attributable to Covid-19 alone (Russians/Saudi production decisions play a part),, but this drop has many of my neighbors fully expecting to lose their small oil field service businesses in the next 6 months. These losses will not only affect their businesses, but those businesses (restaurants, etc) that rely on them for their customers.

    (2)My next door neighbor's wife is an oncology nurse in the Texas Medical Center. There are patients with perfectly treatable cancers who are delaying vital treatments because they are terrified of being exposed to the virus in a health care setting. For many of them, it would almost certainly be a painful death sentence - worse than the cancer!!!

    Trump is a disaster. I almost threw a shoe through my TV when he called Xi his friend in one of those stupid, rambling Coronavirus task force news conferences. CCP mouthpieces are now blaming the US for bringing the virus to China. In fact there are reports that Chinese citizens are singling out foreign visitors as infection risks, even though their own nationals returning from places like Lombardy, as you point out,are the majority of COVID-19 cases arriving from abroad. What a mess!

    https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005386/foreigners-collateral-damage-as-china-curbs-imported-infections

    [China’s] failure to not 0nly contain the Covid-19 threat within its borders but to conceal the true nature of that threat to US authorities like the CDC, …

    We are paying CDC big $$$ to find out what is REALLY going on in the realm of infectious diseases, not to read and swallow whole official press releases from China or elsewhere.

    There are a myriad reasons – good, bad, and indifferent – why U.S. and foreign health statistics are often incomplete, misleading (intentionally or incompetently), simply wrong (math geniuses typically don’t go to med school), etc.

    BTW, under the U.S. Constitution, health policy is quintessentially a state matter. The Feds only get to butt in under the tenuous pretext that it involves “interstate commerce” and, of course, that the Feds can throw away money on anything they like.

  108. @Bill P
    I hate to say it, but it's worse than you think. Very few people in the US fully appreciate the damage our special relationship with China has caused over the past 30 years.

    We handed rocket as well as thermonuclear warhead miniaturization technology over to them. I sat next to a Canadian engineer on a flight to Beijing back in '98 and he calmly explained how he was helping teach Chinese how to build jet engines for military aircraft. Caterpillar was teaching them how to build tanks. Everyone over there knew what was going on, most were uneasy about it, but the money was good.

    The extent of the treason our white elites were engaging in would blow your mind. The engineers and foreign "experts" I knew over there were not enthusiastic about the whole thing, but again they were making good money.

    The American media in China at the time acted like lords and ladies rather than journalists who owed the truth to the American people they were supposedly informing. Andrea Koppel was running the CNN Beijing bureau at the time and was worse than worthless.

    The FBI in the 90s totally ignored Chinese interference in US elections. You might remember some talk of this from back then, but nothing came of it.

    I could go on and on, but you probably get the gist of it. The thing is, we can't at this point just blame all the orientals when a plurality of the people who warned us about the CCP and consistently resisted the regime happen to be yellow people.

    I'm not at all happy about how things have gone regarding China, but for God's sake let's not be fools and give our traitors a pass while punishing our allies. That way we'll all lose.

    We handed rocket as well as thermonuclear warhead miniaturization technology over to them.

    In the late 90’s, American avionics companies were openly dealing with Chinese intermediaries who were indicted by a grand jury for diverting American technology to PLA factories and R&D facilities. Eventually, it became a problem for those companies and, then poof! Those intermediaries dissolved themselves and the relevant personnel reconstituted under new names. Rinse and repeat.

    There are a lot of traitors in our corporate world who deserve a bullet to their heads.

    I was a naive, young investigator at the time and it was a shock to me.

    One large American defense contractor even took all the American flags down and bedecked the whole company HQ with Communist Chinese flags whenever the Chinese delegation was in town. It was completely disgusting and pathetic.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  109. @Anonymous
    I don't conflate the two either. However, it would be woefully naive to think that others will not. If HBD believers on this site (both Asian and White), believe it is perfectly fine for NYPD and immigrant shopkeepers to racially profile black teens based on the criminal behavior of a percentage of that cohort, why wont others "profile"the Chinese diaspora based on the criminally negligent actions of its homeland . That nation's failure to not 0nly contain the Covid-19 threat within its borders but to conceal the true nature of that threat to US authorities like the CDC, has thrown the world economy into a depression and will almost certainly prematurely kill hundreds of thousands of people. Think about the enormity of that - Unz, Sailer, Derbyshire, Kersey and many others consistently publish articles on here bashing the MSM for concealing the true cost (white lives lost, white flight from cities, etc) of black crime. I want you for a moment to consider those costs next to the costs imposed by the Chinese motherland:

    (1) As I write this response from Suburban Houston, the price of oil sits at $25/bbl (down from $50 early in year). All of this recent drop isn't attributable to Covid-19 alone (Russians/Saudi production decisions play a part),, but this drop has many of my neighbors fully expecting to lose their small oil field service businesses in the next 6 months. These losses will not only affect their businesses, but those businesses (restaurants, etc) that rely on them for their customers.

    (2)My next door neighbor's wife is an oncology nurse in the Texas Medical Center. There are patients with perfectly treatable cancers who are delaying vital treatments because they are terrified of being exposed to the virus in a health care setting. For many of them, it would almost certainly be a painful death sentence - worse than the cancer!!!

    Trump is a disaster. I almost threw a shoe through my TV when he called Xi his friend in one of those stupid, rambling Coronavirus task force news conferences. CCP mouthpieces are now blaming the US for bringing the virus to China. In fact there are reports that Chinese citizens are singling out foreign visitors as infection risks, even though their own nationals returning from places like Lombardy, as you point out,are the majority of COVID-19 cases arriving from abroad. What a mess!

    https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1005386/foreigners-collateral-damage-as-china-curbs-imported-infections

    Trump is a disaster. I almost threw a shoe through my TV when he called Xi his friend in one of those stupid, rambling Coronavirus task force news conferences.

    I’m a Trump supporter because he’s gotten excellent results with respect to judgeship appointments and moved the GOP well to the right on any number of issues. But every time he does his insincere “my good friend Putin/Xi/generic enemy of America” shtick, it really grates. He’s the president of the United States, not a courtier in their administration who risks losing his head over the tiniest wrong gesture or word. He should be able to say what he means. It’s humiliating, even if the oleaginous servility is a pose.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    But every time he does his insincere “my good friend Putin/Xi/generic enemy of America” shtick, it really grates. He’s the president of the United States, not a courtier in their administration who risks losing his head over the tiniest wrong gesture or word. He should be able to say what he means. It’s humiliating, even if the oleaginous servility is a pose.
     
    This strikes me as the mannerism of a salesman (“My good friend... he’s been very nice to me...), not the most powerful man on the planet.

    https://youtu.be/vYWwfdb2A88

    Still, it beats his predecessor:

    http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-12-08-barackobamabowjapan.jpg
  110. Anonymous[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P
    I hate to say it, but it's worse than you think. Very few people in the US fully appreciate the damage our special relationship with China has caused over the past 30 years.

    We handed rocket as well as thermonuclear warhead miniaturization technology over to them. I sat next to a Canadian engineer on a flight to Beijing back in '98 and he calmly explained how he was helping teach Chinese how to build jet engines for military aircraft. Caterpillar was teaching them how to build tanks. Everyone over there knew what was going on, most were uneasy about it, but the money was good.

    The extent of the treason our white elites were engaging in would blow your mind. The engineers and foreign "experts" I knew over there were not enthusiastic about the whole thing, but again they were making good money.

    The American media in China at the time acted like lords and ladies rather than journalists who owed the truth to the American people they were supposedly informing. Andrea Koppel was running the CNN Beijing bureau at the time and was worse than worthless.

    The FBI in the 90s totally ignored Chinese interference in US elections. You might remember some talk of this from back then, but nothing came of it.

    I could go on and on, but you probably get the gist of it. The thing is, we can't at this point just blame all the orientals when a plurality of the people who warned us about the CCP and consistently resisted the regime happen to be yellow people.

    I'm not at all happy about how things have gone regarding China, but for God's sake let's not be fools and give our traitors a pass while punishing our allies. That way we'll all lose.

    Bill P

    Nice response to my post. The anger in my writing isn’t really directed towards non-Chinese Asian people, but towards the stewards of this blog that claim to be fearless purveyors of the “hard” truth and defenders of “birthright” America .

    I have followed Unz and Sailer’s work closely for over 10 years, but I’ve been completely blind sided by the events of the last month. According to such pundits, Chinese expats and immigrants were the “model” minority that the US and other Western nations should eagerly exchange for IQ deficient and criminally troublesome NAMs. With the US death total approaching 6000 and the economy shrinking every minute, I realize that the positions of Unz and his like are every bit a threat to my everyday life as the Pelosi’s and AOC’s they excoriate at every turn. God help us.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    According to such pundits, Chinese expats and immigrants were the “model” minority that the US and other Western nations should eagerly exchange for IQ deficient and criminally troublesome NAMs.
     
    You clearly haven’t read my comments - I have been opposed to mass immigration from China and India for a quite a while, and have cited the numbers from the Manhattan Institute study on immigration assimilation as one of the major reasons. To wit:

    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif
  111. cathay, hancock and beverlywood have lots of orthodox and ultra-orthodox jewish people, all those areas also have many orthodox synagogues, large and small. Could that explain the higher numbers?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Possibly.

    Valley Village in the San Fernando Valley has Black Hats too.

  112. @melvin moody
    cathay, hancock and beverlywood have lots of orthodox and ultra-orthodox jewish people, all those areas also have many orthodox synagogues, large and small. Could that explain the higher numbers?

    Possibly.

    Valley Village in the San Fernando Valley has Black Hats too.

  113. @XYZ (no Mr.)
    What a dumbass fantasy you spin. Again, Trump is the only recent president to tackle seriously the issue of American dependence on foreign goods -- with pressure applied with lots of tariffs -- you do know what those are, correct? Probably not. Perhaps if jackasses like Pelosi, or a bunch of corporate Republicans, hadn't fought the most commonsensical idea of bringing back American manufacturing for the past three years, we would be in a much better situation now. But of course, Trump could have commanded everyone at the end of this January to radically change both their economics and behavior, just because. The fact that you would ever think that that would go smoothly at all, not to mention Trump would be considered a hero by both the left and right, is either a pathetic attempt at a master troll, or imbecilic. Hint -- it's the latter.

    Steve Sailer has indeed made me a believer in HBD by reading some of the commenters here, including you. No amount of education will fix your stupidity, it's got to be genetic.

    But of course, Trump could have commanded everyone at the end of this January to radically change both their economics and behavior, just because. The fact that you would ever think that that would go smoothly at all, not to mention Trump would be considered a hero by both the left and right, is either a pathetic attempt at a master troll, or imbecilic. Hint — it’s the latter.

    Given that he was in the middle of being impeached, I’m gonna say the chances of him being able to do all those things were slim and none. And a big chunk of the opposition would have come from people like Mitt Romney and Mike Lee. If the virus had turned out to be a nothingburger elsewhere, he would have essentially lost the election almost a full year before voters were set to turn out.

    • Agree: danand
  114. @Anonymous Jew
    I see that too, though my intuition is that Asians are wearing masks to be considerate because they believe Whites et al may be blaming them for the virus. An analogy would be a Middle Easterner wearing a patriotic t-shirt following 911 (though I can’t recall ever seeing that). If Koreans had brought down the World Trade Center every Asian would be wearing an American Flag t-shirt the next day.

    I see that too, though my intuition is that Asians are wearing masks to be considerate because they believe Whites et al may be blaming them for the virus.

    I see you haven’t been to Tokyo or Seoul during flu season. They wear masks with no whites around.

    If Koreans had brought down the World Trade Center every Asian would be wearing an American Flag t-shirt the next day.

    No, many Korean-Americans would sign up to serve in the American military to bring down the attackers, as the Nisei-Japanese did after Pearl Harbor. Japanese- and Korean-Americans have a strong ethos of patriotism, and rarely, if at all, exhibit dual loyalty some other ethnic groups in America have.

  115. @Anonymous
    Bill P

    Nice response to my post. The anger in my writing isn't really directed towards non-Chinese Asian people, but towards the stewards of this blog that claim to be fearless purveyors of the "hard" truth and defenders of "birthright" America .

    I have followed Unz and Sailer's work closely for over 10 years, but I've been completely blind sided by the events of the last month. According to such pundits, Chinese expats and immigrants were the "model" minority that the US and other Western nations should eagerly exchange for IQ deficient and criminally troublesome NAMs. With the US death total approaching 6000 and the economy shrinking every minute, I realize that the positions of Unz and his like are every bit a threat to my everyday life as the Pelosi's and AOC's they excoriate at every turn. God help us.

    According to such pundits, Chinese expats and immigrants were the “model” minority that the US and other Western nations should eagerly exchange for IQ deficient and criminally troublesome NAMs.

    You clearly haven’t read my comments – I have been opposed to mass immigration from China and India for a quite a while, and have cited the numbers from the Manhattan Institute study on immigration assimilation as one of the major reasons. To wit:

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    I think he is referring to Ron Unz and Steve Sailer when he says pundits. Which is frankly bizarre. I only really read iSteve, so when Ron pops up I do see him occasionally doing odd things like praising the Chinese Communist Party or CalExit. But he's popped up in threads to defend illegal immigrants littering in California too, so I wouldn't classify him as some NAM-replacement-with-Asians dude. He just seems to dislike America, and lots of Americans who happen to live in America, while enjoying Palo Alto, which keeps out undesirables through extremely high cost of living. Which is totally his right, he earned it, but I don't care for his views, regardless of who is paying for this site.

    I honestly don't know if Steve Sailer has praised Asians as a model minority. I know he has been accused of being a civic nationalist, I am one too, and it's not like Asians as a group are not capable and intelligent: recognizing that is absolutely not an approval of lots of immigration to America.
  116. @Redneck farmer
    Spam is good. The knockoffs are horrible.

    Spam slices, fried, on toast + mayo = really quite tasty.

    Maybe even add a little lettuce and tomato.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I like this, made with Spam:

    http://www.justonecookbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Spam-Onigirazu-IIII-600x900.jpg
  117. @Twinkie

    Spam is really awful.

    Are there a lot of Polynesians in your Super Zip?
     
    No. South Korea consumes more Spam than any other country, save the United States (within which Hawaii consumes the most).

    In South Korea, you can buy “fancy” versions of Spam in many flavors that are locally (license-) made.

    One notable Korean dish that utilizes Spam is called Budae Jjigae, which means military unit/base stew. It’s very popular with Korean men (I suppose nostalgia for their military service plays a role) and is considered comfort food.

    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/euVyBKNfxkk/maxresdefault.jpg

    Even trendy Korean restaurants here in Hong Kong feature Spam-based dishes.

  118. @Steve Sailer
    I wrote a lot five years about Matthew Weiner's statements about how his growing up in Hancock Park without being allowed to join the Wilshire Country Club is the skeleton key that explains "Mad Men."

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/matthew-weiner-on-how-mad-men-is-driven-by-his-resentment-of-wasp-country-clubs/

    what’s weiner complaining about, he’s my age, i grew up in LA, there was no anti-semitism among our gentile peers, maybe silly jokes, but no one took offense at or seriously, . Also, why would he care about the Wilshire Country Club, the Jewish Brentwood and Hillcrest Country Clubs are much nicer. yes, LA country club was/is the best, but so what. I guess being imaginative he has to dream up that his experience was like his grandparents in the 30s and 40s, when he grew up in the Jewish Shangri-la of LA in 70s and early 80s.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Indeed: here's one Gentile who's never even heard of the Wilshire Country Club - the LA CC is the only one we want or need.

    I'm with you Mr Moody (I know you're not a relation of Moody of Moody's, because I am, and he was both a Gentile and a Catholic convert): let's live and let live.
  119. @Twinkie

    According to such pundits, Chinese expats and immigrants were the “model” minority that the US and other Western nations should eagerly exchange for IQ deficient and criminally troublesome NAMs.
     
    You clearly haven’t read my comments - I have been opposed to mass immigration from China and India for a quite a while, and have cited the numbers from the Manhattan Institute study on immigration assimilation as one of the major reasons. To wit:

    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    I think he is referring to Ron Unz and Steve Sailer when he says pundits. Which is frankly bizarre. I only really read iSteve, so when Ron pops up I do see him occasionally doing odd things like praising the Chinese Communist Party or CalExit. But he’s popped up in threads to defend illegal immigrants littering in California too, so I wouldn’t classify him as some NAM-replacement-with-Asians dude. He just seems to dislike America, and lots of Americans who happen to live in America, while enjoying Palo Alto, which keeps out undesirables through extremely high cost of living. Which is totally his right, he earned it, but I don’t care for his views, regardless of who is paying for this site.

    I honestly don’t know if Steve Sailer has praised Asians as a model minority. I know he has been accused of being a civic nationalist, I am one too, and it’s not like Asians as a group are not capable and intelligent: recognizing that is absolutely not an approval of lots of immigration to America.

  120. @Johann Ricke

    Trump is a disaster. I almost threw a shoe through my TV when he called Xi his friend in one of those stupid, rambling Coronavirus task force news conferences.
     
    I'm a Trump supporter because he's gotten excellent results with respect to judgeship appointments and moved the GOP well to the right on any number of issues. But every time he does his insincere "my good friend Putin/Xi/generic enemy of America" shtick, it really grates. He's the president of the United States, not a courtier in their administration who risks losing his head over the tiniest wrong gesture or word. He should be able to say what he means. It's humiliating, even if the oleaginous servility is a pose.

    But every time he does his insincere “my good friend Putin/Xi/generic enemy of America” shtick, it really grates. He’s the president of the United States, not a courtier in their administration who risks losing his head over the tiniest wrong gesture or word. He should be able to say what he means. It’s humiliating, even if the oleaginous servility is a pose.

    This strikes me as the mannerism of a salesman (“My good friend… he’s been very nice to me…), not the most powerful man on the planet.

    Still, it beats his predecessor:

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Exactly. Trump is not a person of great verbal nuance. You are his "very good friend" if he is attempting to close a sale with you or the deal has closed to his satisfaction and you are doing what he wants. But if he can't make a deal with you or you are not doing what he wants, then you are a " very bad person". Everyone is either one or the other and the same person can be both depending on which day.

    This drives the media (whom everyone knows are thinkers of great subtlety) nuts. It drives them even more nuts that evil dictator types like Putin or Kim can fall in the "very good friend" category on certain days. Of course if Sanders consistently admires Castro for decades, that's fine (at least he's consistent) but Trump cozying up to dictators (in Trump's view, in order to manipulate them) - intolerable.
  121. The COVID-19 Community Mobility Reports has been launched by Google. I guess this is what Trump was speaking of when touting Google’s help with the coronavirus containment effort two weeks back? Probably not as dazzling as what Trump had hoped:

    4D83A10A-389C-43F8-AD5A-90550886AA4E

    An uptick in shopping just prior to implementation of California governor Newsom’s shelter order.

    https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/

  122. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @XYZ (no Mr.)
    What a dumbass fantasy you spin. Again, Trump is the only recent president to tackle seriously the issue of American dependence on foreign goods -- with pressure applied with lots of tariffs -- you do know what those are, correct? Probably not. Perhaps if jackasses like Pelosi, or a bunch of corporate Republicans, hadn't fought the most commonsensical idea of bringing back American manufacturing for the past three years, we would be in a much better situation now. But of course, Trump could have commanded everyone at the end of this January to radically change both their economics and behavior, just because. The fact that you would ever think that that would go smoothly at all, not to mention Trump would be considered a hero by both the left and right, is either a pathetic attempt at a master troll, or imbecilic. Hint -- it's the latter.

    Steve Sailer has indeed made me a believer in HBD by reading some of the commenters here, including you. No amount of education will fix your stupidity, it's got to be genetic.

    “just because”

    By the end of January, China had already imposed the largest quarantine in history – almost 800 million people were confined to their homes!! The epidemic was full blown with over 12,000 confirmed cases and 300 deaths. The kind of chilling images that we are currently seeing in our own ERs were already occurring in Wuhan and being broadcast to the world. Unlike you apparently, I saw them with my own eyes – families desperately seeking to properly dispose of their loved ones Covid-19 infected bodies outside of distressed hospitals.

    China has one of the the most widely dispersed diasporas in the world. There are “Chinatown”s throughout the world, including Europe, North America, South America, Asia, Africa, Australasia and the Middle East. With the popular Chinese New Years at full steam by the end of January, it didnt take much of a mental leap to realize that this epidemic would spread rapidly and widely. This isnt 20/20 hindsight- I’d bet a million dollars that future Congressional investigations into the pandemic will reveal that our intelligence agencies, which Trump disparages all the time, made this fact very clear to him.

    At that point, Trump had more than enough information to present a coherent story to the American public that Covid19 was a threat to our national security that required a prompt, robust unprecedented response. In fact, the Great Orange Hope, would have even had dramtic color photos for his “perfect, beautiful” presentation: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2020/01/coronavirus-photos-wuhan-under-quarantine/605605/

    It is you and others still on the Trump train that are the imbeciles. Touting this guy as some sort of political savant leading a movement against the “Deep State” to save “our” country is the ultimate cruel joke. He was unwilling to risk some of his own political hide to “save us” because it would have shaven points off the Dow Jones. The Wall Street crud (Kudlow, Mnuchin, et al) that are all over his administration wouldn’t have stood for it. Indeed.

    Get out of here.

  123. @XYZ (no Mr.)
    What a dumbass fantasy you spin. Again, Trump is the only recent president to tackle seriously the issue of American dependence on foreign goods -- with pressure applied with lots of tariffs -- you do know what those are, correct? Probably not. Perhaps if jackasses like Pelosi, or a bunch of corporate Republicans, hadn't fought the most commonsensical idea of bringing back American manufacturing for the past three years, we would be in a much better situation now. But of course, Trump could have commanded everyone at the end of this January to radically change both their economics and behavior, just because. The fact that you would ever think that that would go smoothly at all, not to mention Trump would be considered a hero by both the left and right, is either a pathetic attempt at a master troll, or imbecilic. Hint -- it's the latter.

    Steve Sailer has indeed made me a believer in HBD by reading some of the commenters here, including you. No amount of education will fix your stupidity, it's got to be genetic.

    But of course, Trump could have commanded everyone at the end of this January to radically change both their economics and behavior, just because. The fact that you would ever think that that would go smoothly at all, not to mention Trump would be considered a hero by both the left and right, is either a pathetic attempt at a master troll, or imbecilic. Hint — it’s the latter.

    Another way of putting this is – you can’t fight the Japanese until they attack Pearl Harbor, and you can’t fight the Germans until they declare war on you. And the reason is the costs are astronomical. Even after the Germans and the Japanese had been weakened by a period of attrition losses against their initial adversaries, they still cost the US 400,000 dead and ~2 years of industrial output shelled out as defense spending, the equivalent of $90T in today’s economy. If we counted all the expenses for the medical care for millions of wounded and shell-shocked troops as well, the way left-wingers account for “hidden” spending in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, where tens of thousands of soldiers might have incurred various types of long-term damage, the bill might be $500T. How do you justify these kinds of sacrifices without the danger actually showing up on your doorstep? You can’t.

    And that’s why Xi Jinping’s systematic lies and coverups about the nature of this virus were so damaging. But even if he had been completely transparent, the disparity between American and Chinese medical standards meant that we would have been skeptical that drastic measures were necessary stateside. American views about the Chinese run the gamut between mud people and grimy jumped-up peasants in designer clothing partial to cats and dogs as food rather than pets. No way could we catch what they have unless we step a century back. Bottom line is this unfolded the way it did because there was no way to foresee* what would happen, and anyone who claims he did is full of crap.

    * Xi Jinping probably did his lie and coverup act because he was afraid that China would end up looking like a decrepit Third World country when the virus turned out to be a nothingburger in the West while killing hundreds of thousands in China. Now that the per capita casualty numbers in Italy and Spain are approaching 2 orders of magnitude larger than China’s, you gotta figure that John Chinaman is starting to doubt the official narrative. In retrospect, Xi lied and covered up unnecessarily. But that’s likely because he thought the virus would be a fizzle in the West due to the disparity in personal habits and medical standards – he lacked the gift of foresight that every single Monday morning quarterback seems to have in abundance.

  124. Claremont and Pomona are clustered together down at the bottom – these towns neighbor each other but are very different. Claremont is an exceptionally beautiful college town, white and Asian mostly but with upper middle class academics and professional class types of all races. Pomona is half a black/Mexican ghetto and half a white/Mexican working class town.

    What they have in common is that they’re both as far from the airport as you can get in LA County, and they go to the same hospitals.

  125. @Anonymous
    Stop - please. If Trump truly cared anything about the issues that you raise in your post, this crisis provided him with a perfect opportunity to address them. Imagine if at the end of January, during the height of the impeachment hoax, he had given a speech in prime time from the Oval office informing the American public that he was declaring an Emergency Order. That Order could have closed the border to all foreign nationals and instructed domestic manufacturers to accelerate the production of all the goods (PPE, antibiotics, hydroxychloroquine, etc.) that we are desperately short of as bodies pile up in refrigerator trucks parked outside of our nation's ERS.

    He would have taken a lot of heat in the short run, but as the Covid-19 body count piled up around the world, he would have been hailed as a hero by regular Americans, on both the left and right. This is the definition of political leadership (statesmanship and foresight). Instead he just ran around giving his stupid stump speech at political rallies calling Nancy Pelosi childish names and citing how many points the Stock Market had risen since he became president (all of which has evaporated in the two weeks since the shutdown).

    No matter what other Trumpboys tell you, there is no 5d chess. Just a NY conman, with his dumb daughter and son in law, fooling goobers that he really cares about their future. Get out of here.

    He would have taken a lot of heat in the short run,

    No, his EO’s would have been immediately halted by some asshole federal judge. In the future, try to pay attention before writing inane posts.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Fine - but he had a legitimate issue to make a "Last Stand" behind. He could have used his bully pulpit to attack those Federal judges and in the process he would have (1) warned regular Americans about the "locus" that was headed our way and (2) put the American public health system on notice. If the judges had blocked his Covid-19 response, imagine the political harvest that he would be reaping right now - closed borders, bringing manufacturing back to US, etc.

    Stop defending this guy and pretending he risked anything to preserve your job and well being. He is a tool of Wall Street cronies who are terrified of any action that might shave points of the Dow Jones. His border and "America First" exhortations are just bait for proles in the Sticks- not well thought out and reasoned positions. This guy devotes time to bashing some NFL quarterback who kneels for the anthem but doesn't understand the implications to the US of China imposing house arrest conditions on some 800 million of its citizens by the end of January. Get out of here. Your new handle should be William Dumbwhite.

    My statement stands.
  126. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    He would have taken a lot of heat in the short run,
     
    No, his EO's would have been immediately halted by some asshole federal judge. In the future, try to pay attention before writing inane posts.

    Fine – but he had a legitimate issue to make a “Last Stand” behind. He could have used his bully pulpit to attack those Federal judges and in the process he would have (1) warned regular Americans about the “locus” that was headed our way and (2) put the American public health system on notice. If the judges had blocked his Covid-19 response, imagine the political harvest that he would be reaping right now – closed borders, bringing manufacturing back to US, etc.

    Stop defending this guy and pretending he risked anything to preserve your job and well being. He is a tool of Wall Street cronies who are terrified of any action that might shave points of the Dow Jones. His border and “America First” exhortations are just bait for proles in the Sticks- not well thought out and reasoned positions. This guy devotes time to bashing some NFL quarterback who kneels for the anthem but doesn’t understand the implications to the US of China imposing house arrest conditions on some 800 million of its citizens by the end of January. Get out of here. Your new handle should be William Dumbwhite.

    My statement stands.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    My statement stands.
     
    You did not make a statement. You made a hysterical rant. Sentences such as "he is a tool of Wall Street cronies" is what is called a baseless assertion. According to the rules of logic, a baseless assertion can be countered with a baseless assertion so I will now do so and also use ad hominem: you are an emotional halfwit.

    Stop defending this guy and pretending he risked anything to preserve your job and well being.
     

    Nobody, yourself included, said anything about Trump risking anything before now. Try to calm down and stay on message.

    Your new handle should be William Dumbwhite.
     
    Ah, but at least I have a handle. Your handle, should you choose to create one, should be "Internet Tough Guy, Haver of Temper Tantrums".
  127. @Twinkie

    But every time he does his insincere “my good friend Putin/Xi/generic enemy of America” shtick, it really grates. He’s the president of the United States, not a courtier in their administration who risks losing his head over the tiniest wrong gesture or word. He should be able to say what he means. It’s humiliating, even if the oleaginous servility is a pose.
     
    This strikes me as the mannerism of a salesman (“My good friend... he’s been very nice to me...), not the most powerful man on the planet.

    https://youtu.be/vYWwfdb2A88

    Still, it beats his predecessor:

    http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2009-12-08-barackobamabowjapan.jpg

    Exactly. Trump is not a person of great verbal nuance. You are his “very good friend” if he is attempting to close a sale with you or the deal has closed to his satisfaction and you are doing what he wants. But if he can’t make a deal with you or you are not doing what he wants, then you are a ” very bad person”. Everyone is either one or the other and the same person can be both depending on which day.

    This drives the media (whom everyone knows are thinkers of great subtlety) nuts. It drives them even more nuts that evil dictator types like Putin or Kim can fall in the “very good friend” category on certain days. Of course if Sanders consistently admires Castro for decades, that’s fine (at least he’s consistent) but Trump cozying up to dictators (in Trump’s view, in order to manipulate them) – intolerable.

    • Agree: danand
  128. Just like the federal courts stopped the muslim ban, the wall emergency, and his gutting of environmental regulations.

    Oh, wait, they did none of that. In this world, the federal courts are overwhelmingly dominated by hard-right judicial activists and they have rolled over for every thing except marriage equality.

    The federal courts are not just a tool for the far right of the Republican party, they’re basically the most effective part of the Republican coalition.

  129. All of Steve’s number crunching and analysis os making me wonder if the beard is back? It’s an appropriate look for closet quarantine.

  130. @Corvinus
    It's called Covid-19.

    Speaking of something that should be NOTICED, I thought Trump by now would be clamping down on American companies engaging in this unpatriotic activity.

    https://theintercept.com/2020/04/01/coronavirus-medical-supplies-export/

    The U.S. government has placed no restrictions on exports of medical supplies while continuing to impose financial penalties on the import of personal protective gear, protective goggles, pulse oximeters, hand sanitizer, and other medical products from China.
     
    Then again, Triump had the federal government compete with state governments for those supplies.

    https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2020/03/26/charlie-baker-trump-administration-medical-supplies

    In that way, Trump can play the "hero" by saying "Well, look here, we do have what the states need. Here you go."

    Too bad our resident pattern recognizer isn't paying attention, or if he is, he is being his typical cagey self.

    Too bad our resident pattern recognizer isn’t paying attention, or if he is, he is being his typical cagey self.

    Maybe he’s just not paying any attention to your tiresome look-at-me routine.

  131. Lot says:
    @Redneck farmer
    Spam is good. The knockoffs are horrible.

    ????

    Spam was so gross I threw it away after 2 bites the one and only time I tried it. (My prepper collection I try to eat down once a year and replace with newer items.) And it isn’t even especially cheap!

    The only cheap canned meat I’ve liked is tuna and costco canned chicken breast.

    This is what a ham should taste like:

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Yes, that is a gorgeous ham. Even though I've already had my supper, my mouth waters at the mere sight of it.

    Canned tuna is delicious, particularly if it is albacore (and therefore not necessarily cheap). I have it two or three times a week, usually over spaghetti. Tonight on the other had I had smoked salmon over toasted garlic ciabatta.

    Oh, and always with red wine.
    , @Twinkie
    Most American ham is too sugared for my taste. I prefer prosciutto:


    https://caputos.com/wp-content/uploads/Prosciutto-di-San-Daniele-Dok-DallAva-1.jpg


    During the summer, I wrap prosciutto on melon slices and drizzle olive oil, red pepper, and mint on it. It’s refreshing and delicious.

    Looks like this:

    https://cdn-image.myrecipes.com/sites/default/files/image/recipes/ck/09/05/prosciutto-melon-ck-1891934-x.jpg

  132. @Anonymous
    Fine - but he had a legitimate issue to make a "Last Stand" behind. He could have used his bully pulpit to attack those Federal judges and in the process he would have (1) warned regular Americans about the "locus" that was headed our way and (2) put the American public health system on notice. If the judges had blocked his Covid-19 response, imagine the political harvest that he would be reaping right now - closed borders, bringing manufacturing back to US, etc.

    Stop defending this guy and pretending he risked anything to preserve your job and well being. He is a tool of Wall Street cronies who are terrified of any action that might shave points of the Dow Jones. His border and "America First" exhortations are just bait for proles in the Sticks- not well thought out and reasoned positions. This guy devotes time to bashing some NFL quarterback who kneels for the anthem but doesn't understand the implications to the US of China imposing house arrest conditions on some 800 million of its citizens by the end of January. Get out of here. Your new handle should be William Dumbwhite.

    My statement stands.

    My statement stands.

    You did not make a statement. You made a hysterical rant. Sentences such as “he is a tool of Wall Street cronies” is what is called a baseless assertion. According to the rules of logic, a baseless assertion can be countered with a baseless assertion so I will now do so and also use ad hominem: you are an emotional halfwit.

    Stop defending this guy and pretending he risked anything to preserve your job and well being.

    Nobody, yourself included, said anything about Trump risking anything before now. Try to calm down and stay on message.

    Your new handle should be William Dumbwhite.

    Ah, but at least I have a handle. Your handle, should you choose to create one, should be “Internet Tough Guy, Haver of Temper Tantrums”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Nice try Dumbwhite but.....

    By the end of January, China had already imposed the largest quarantine in history - almost 800 million people were confined to their homes!! The epidemic was full blown with over 12,000 confirmed cases and 300 deaths. The kind of chilling images that we are currently seeing in our own ERs were already occurring in Wuhan and being broadcast to the world. Unlike you apparently, I saw them with my own eyes - families desperately seeking to properly dispose of their loved ones bodies outside of distressed hospitals.

    China has one of the the most widely dispersed diasporas in the world. There are "Chinatown"s everywhere- Europe, North America, South America, Asia, Africa, Australasia and the Middle East. With the popular Chinese New Years at full steam by the end of January, it didnt take much of a mental leap to realize that this epidemic would spread rapidly and widely. This isnt 20/20 hindsight- I'd bet a million dollars that future Congressional investigations into the pandemic will reveal that our intelligence agencies, which Trump disparages all the time, made this fact very clear to him.

    At that point, Trump had more than enough information to present a coherent story to the American public that Covid19 was a threat to our national security that required a prompt, robust unprecedented response. In fact, the Great Orange Hope, would have even had dramatic color photos for his "perfect, beautiful" presentation: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2020/01/coronavirus-photos-wuhan-under-quarantine/605605/

    It is you and others still on the Trump train that are the imbeciles. Touting this guy as some sort of political savant leading a movement against the "Deep State" to save "our" country is the ultimate cruel joke. He was unwilling to risk some of his own political hide to "save us" because it would have shaven points off the Dow Jones. The Wall Street crud (Kudlow, Mnuchin, et al) that are all over his administration wouldn't have stood for it.

    Get out of here.
  133. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @William Badwhite

    My statement stands.
     
    You did not make a statement. You made a hysterical rant. Sentences such as "he is a tool of Wall Street cronies" is what is called a baseless assertion. According to the rules of logic, a baseless assertion can be countered with a baseless assertion so I will now do so and also use ad hominem: you are an emotional halfwit.

    Stop defending this guy and pretending he risked anything to preserve your job and well being.
     

    Nobody, yourself included, said anything about Trump risking anything before now. Try to calm down and stay on message.

    Your new handle should be William Dumbwhite.
     
    Ah, but at least I have a handle. Your handle, should you choose to create one, should be "Internet Tough Guy, Haver of Temper Tantrums".

    Nice try Dumbwhite but…..

    By the end of January, China had already imposed the largest quarantine in history – almost 800 million people were confined to their homes!! The epidemic was full blown with over 12,000 confirmed cases and 300 deaths. The kind of chilling images that we are currently seeing in our own ERs were already occurring in Wuhan and being broadcast to the world. Unlike you apparently, I saw them with my own eyes – families desperately seeking to properly dispose of their loved ones bodies outside of distressed hospitals.

    China has one of the the most widely dispersed diasporas in the world. There are “Chinatown”s everywhere- Europe, North America, South America, Asia, Africa, Australasia and the Middle East. With the popular Chinese New Years at full steam by the end of January, it didnt take much of a mental leap to realize that this epidemic would spread rapidly and widely. This isnt 20/20 hindsight- I’d bet a million dollars that future Congressional investigations into the pandemic will reveal that our intelligence agencies, which Trump disparages all the time, made this fact very clear to him.

    At that point, Trump had more than enough information to present a coherent story to the American public that Covid19 was a threat to our national security that required a prompt, robust unprecedented response. In fact, the Great Orange Hope, would have even had dramatic color photos for his “perfect, beautiful” presentation: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2020/01/coronavirus-photos-wuhan-under-quarantine/605605/

    It is you and others still on the Trump train that are the imbeciles. Touting this guy as some sort of political savant leading a movement against the “Deep State” to save “our” country is the ultimate cruel joke. He was unwilling to risk some of his own political hide to “save us” because it would have shaven points off the Dow Jones. The Wall Street crud (Kudlow, Mnuchin, et al) that are all over his administration wouldn’t have stood for it.

    Get out of here.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Excellent cut-and-paste of your prior tantrum to Mr XYZ!

    Now go back to sucking your thumb, adults are talking.

    When you're older, you should run for President. I look forward to your foresight and brilliance.

    , @XYZ (no Mr.)
    By the end of January, any foreign national who had been in China after January 15th was barred from entering the United States by President Trump. American citizens visiting China, who cannot be legally barred from reentering America, were expected to self quarantine for two weeks. Yet almost a month later, in late February, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi was touring Chinatown in San Francisco telling people to come out and shop. Now THAT is an indication of lack of seriousness.... Did you not know this? Probably not -- you seem to lack situational awareness. And the less said about Mayor De Blasio, or Cuomo, the better.

    Has everything gone well with handling the Wuhan virus? Of course not, even on the basics -- test kits are crappy and limited, ventilators scarce, and just a couple of days ago the American medical establishment consensus suddenly switched regarding the efficacy of masks. Perhaps if every American had had 100 masks lying around the house in January, the medical advice given would have been very different.

    To anyone not a jackass -- that excludes you -- it's apparent a lot of medical decisions on how America would handle this crisis were shaped by severe logistical constraints -- logistical constraints that should never have been there in the first place. But no one seemed to give a damn about foreign reliance on critical supplies until now, except the President and his 'backward' supporters.

    Honestly, you sound like, and probably are, a hysterical bitch. It took decades of mismanagement for America to get where it is. President Trump is not a dictator, and has to work within the system, and he has. He can't wave a magic wand overnight and make it all better -- what an asinine and infantile view you have.

    It seems quaint now that until just recently he was mocked for his proud tweets talking up factory jobs, a couple hundred here in Indiana, a couple hundred there in Michigan. He seems a lot more insightful than the globalist trash that most American elites are.
  134. @Lot
    ????

    Spam was so gross I threw it away after 2 bites the one and only time I tried it. (My prepper collection I try to eat down once a year and replace with newer items.) And it isn’t even especially cheap!

    The only cheap canned meat I’ve liked is tuna and costco canned chicken breast.

    This is what a ham should taste like:

    https://chewoutloud.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/20121225-175606.jpg

    Yes, that is a gorgeous ham. Even though I’ve already had my supper, my mouth waters at the mere sight of it.

    Canned tuna is delicious, particularly if it is albacore (and therefore not necessarily cheap). I have it two or three times a week, usually over spaghetti. Tonight on the other had I had smoked salmon over toasted garlic ciabatta.

    Oh, and always with red wine.

    • Replies: @Marty
    I have tuna for breakfast almost ever morning. I load it up with red onion, red cabbage and celery, plus a little thyme, and oil/vinegar. According to Michael Savage, those red onions are going to open things up for zinc to cross the whatever barrier, and make me immune to the virus. On the other hand, today he called Barry Goldwater, “Goldberg.”
  135. @melvin moody
    what's weiner complaining about, he's my age, i grew up in LA, there was no anti-semitism among our gentile peers, maybe silly jokes, but no one took offense at or seriously, . Also, why would he care about the Wilshire Country Club, the Jewish Brentwood and Hillcrest Country Clubs are much nicer. yes, LA country club was/is the best, but so what. I guess being imaginative he has to dream up that his experience was like his grandparents in the 30s and 40s, when he grew up in the Jewish Shangri-la of LA in 70s and early 80s.

    Indeed: here’s one Gentile who’s never even heard of the Wilshire Country Club – the LA CC is the only one we want or need.

    I’m with you Mr Moody (I know you’re not a relation of Moody of Moody’s, because I am, and he was both a Gentile and a Catholic convert): let’s live and let live.

  136. @Old Palo Altan
    Yes, that is a gorgeous ham. Even though I've already had my supper, my mouth waters at the mere sight of it.

    Canned tuna is delicious, particularly if it is albacore (and therefore not necessarily cheap). I have it two or three times a week, usually over spaghetti. Tonight on the other had I had smoked salmon over toasted garlic ciabatta.

    Oh, and always with red wine.

    I have tuna for breakfast almost ever morning. I load it up with red onion, red cabbage and celery, plus a little thyme, and oil/vinegar. According to Michael Savage, those red onions are going to open things up for zinc to cross the whatever barrier, and make me immune to the virus. On the other hand, today he called Barry Goldwater, “Goldberg.”

    • Replies: @Difference Maker
    Tuna may be lean and delicious, but it also has mercury
    , @Old Palo Altan
    I'll stick to dinner time, but thanks for the red onion tip.
  137. @Anonymous
    Nice try Dumbwhite but.....

    By the end of January, China had already imposed the largest quarantine in history - almost 800 million people were confined to their homes!! The epidemic was full blown with over 12,000 confirmed cases and 300 deaths. The kind of chilling images that we are currently seeing in our own ERs were already occurring in Wuhan and being broadcast to the world. Unlike you apparently, I saw them with my own eyes - families desperately seeking to properly dispose of their loved ones bodies outside of distressed hospitals.

    China has one of the the most widely dispersed diasporas in the world. There are "Chinatown"s everywhere- Europe, North America, South America, Asia, Africa, Australasia and the Middle East. With the popular Chinese New Years at full steam by the end of January, it didnt take much of a mental leap to realize that this epidemic would spread rapidly and widely. This isnt 20/20 hindsight- I'd bet a million dollars that future Congressional investigations into the pandemic will reveal that our intelligence agencies, which Trump disparages all the time, made this fact very clear to him.

    At that point, Trump had more than enough information to present a coherent story to the American public that Covid19 was a threat to our national security that required a prompt, robust unprecedented response. In fact, the Great Orange Hope, would have even had dramatic color photos for his "perfect, beautiful" presentation: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2020/01/coronavirus-photos-wuhan-under-quarantine/605605/

    It is you and others still on the Trump train that are the imbeciles. Touting this guy as some sort of political savant leading a movement against the "Deep State" to save "our" country is the ultimate cruel joke. He was unwilling to risk some of his own political hide to "save us" because it would have shaven points off the Dow Jones. The Wall Street crud (Kudlow, Mnuchin, et al) that are all over his administration wouldn't have stood for it.

    Get out of here.

    Excellent cut-and-paste of your prior tantrum to Mr XYZ!

    Now go back to sucking your thumb, adults are talking.

    When you’re older, you should run for President. I look forward to your foresight and brilliance.

  138. @Anonymous
    Nice try Dumbwhite but.....

    By the end of January, China had already imposed the largest quarantine in history - almost 800 million people were confined to their homes!! The epidemic was full blown with over 12,000 confirmed cases and 300 deaths. The kind of chilling images that we are currently seeing in our own ERs were already occurring in Wuhan and being broadcast to the world. Unlike you apparently, I saw them with my own eyes - families desperately seeking to properly dispose of their loved ones bodies outside of distressed hospitals.

    China has one of the the most widely dispersed diasporas in the world. There are "Chinatown"s everywhere- Europe, North America, South America, Asia, Africa, Australasia and the Middle East. With the popular Chinese New Years at full steam by the end of January, it didnt take much of a mental leap to realize that this epidemic would spread rapidly and widely. This isnt 20/20 hindsight- I'd bet a million dollars that future Congressional investigations into the pandemic will reveal that our intelligence agencies, which Trump disparages all the time, made this fact very clear to him.

    At that point, Trump had more than enough information to present a coherent story to the American public that Covid19 was a threat to our national security that required a prompt, robust unprecedented response. In fact, the Great Orange Hope, would have even had dramatic color photos for his "perfect, beautiful" presentation: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2020/01/coronavirus-photos-wuhan-under-quarantine/605605/

    It is you and others still on the Trump train that are the imbeciles. Touting this guy as some sort of political savant leading a movement against the "Deep State" to save "our" country is the ultimate cruel joke. He was unwilling to risk some of his own political hide to "save us" because it would have shaven points off the Dow Jones. The Wall Street crud (Kudlow, Mnuchin, et al) that are all over his administration wouldn't have stood for it.

    Get out of here.

    By the end of January, any foreign national who had been in China after January 15th was barred from entering the United States by President Trump. American citizens visiting China, who cannot be legally barred from reentering America, were expected to self quarantine for two weeks. Yet almost a month later, in late February, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi was touring Chinatown in San Francisco telling people to come out and shop. Now THAT is an indication of lack of seriousness…. Did you not know this? Probably not — you seem to lack situational awareness. And the less said about Mayor De Blasio, or Cuomo, the better.

    Has everything gone well with handling the Wuhan virus? Of course not, even on the basics — test kits are crappy and limited, ventilators scarce, and just a couple of days ago the American medical establishment consensus suddenly switched regarding the efficacy of masks. Perhaps if every American had had 100 masks lying around the house in January, the medical advice given would have been very different.

    To anyone not a jackass — that excludes you — it’s apparent a lot of medical decisions on how America would handle this crisis were shaped by severe logistical constraints — logistical constraints that should never have been there in the first place. But no one seemed to give a damn about foreign reliance on critical supplies until now, except the President and his ‘backward’ supporters.

    Honestly, you sound like, and probably are, a hysterical bitch. It took decades of mismanagement for America to get where it is. President Trump is not a dictator, and has to work within the system, and he has. He can’t wave a magic wand overnight and make it all better — what an asinine and infantile view you have.

    It seems quaint now that until just recently he was mocked for his proud tweets talking up factory jobs, a couple hundred here in Indiana, a couple hundred there in Michigan. He seems a lot more insightful than the globalist trash that most American elites are.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes - but Nancy Pelosi didnt run on an "America First" agenda. The Orange Grand Puba did. So many people, especially on this site are so blinded by their hate of NAMs and "leftists" they cant see how they have been hoodwinked by Trump and his band of Wall Street "wizards". They haven't give us a wall or protected American jobs and the manufacturing base. Instead, as Ann Coulter has pointed out, they have given tax cuts that give 80% of their benefits to the top 1%.

    This idiot doesn't care about you - just his own enormous ego. In that stupid Coronavirus task force news conference tonight he was joking and gesturing about not being into epidemic models, just the kind of foreign born ones like Melania who will get on their knees and make him feel like Big Daddy.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-trump-having-sex-with-models-coronavirus-20200403-ilwjqelgvfg2xpfgttv4kafbdu-story.html

    Get out of here. We will have a new president on November 3, 2020. Godspeed
  139. Anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @XYZ (no Mr.)
    By the end of January, any foreign national who had been in China after January 15th was barred from entering the United States by President Trump. American citizens visiting China, who cannot be legally barred from reentering America, were expected to self quarantine for two weeks. Yet almost a month later, in late February, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi was touring Chinatown in San Francisco telling people to come out and shop. Now THAT is an indication of lack of seriousness.... Did you not know this? Probably not -- you seem to lack situational awareness. And the less said about Mayor De Blasio, or Cuomo, the better.

    Has everything gone well with handling the Wuhan virus? Of course not, even on the basics -- test kits are crappy and limited, ventilators scarce, and just a couple of days ago the American medical establishment consensus suddenly switched regarding the efficacy of masks. Perhaps if every American had had 100 masks lying around the house in January, the medical advice given would have been very different.

    To anyone not a jackass -- that excludes you -- it's apparent a lot of medical decisions on how America would handle this crisis were shaped by severe logistical constraints -- logistical constraints that should never have been there in the first place. But no one seemed to give a damn about foreign reliance on critical supplies until now, except the President and his 'backward' supporters.

    Honestly, you sound like, and probably are, a hysterical bitch. It took decades of mismanagement for America to get where it is. President Trump is not a dictator, and has to work within the system, and he has. He can't wave a magic wand overnight and make it all better -- what an asinine and infantile view you have.

    It seems quaint now that until just recently he was mocked for his proud tweets talking up factory jobs, a couple hundred here in Indiana, a couple hundred there in Michigan. He seems a lot more insightful than the globalist trash that most American elites are.

    Yes – but Nancy Pelosi didnt run on an “America First” agenda. The Orange Grand Puba did. So many people, especially on this site are so blinded by their hate of NAMs and “leftists” they cant see how they have been hoodwinked by Trump and his band of Wall Street “wizards”. They haven’t give us a wall or protected American jobs and the manufacturing base. Instead, as Ann Coulter has pointed out, they have given tax cuts that give 80% of their benefits to the top 1%.

    This idiot doesn’t care about you – just his own enormous ego. In that stupid Coronavirus task force news conference tonight he was joking and gesturing about not being into epidemic models, just the kind of foreign born ones like Melania who will get on their knees and make him feel like Big Daddy.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-trump-having-sex-with-models-coronavirus-20200403-ilwjqelgvfg2xpfgttv4kafbdu-story.html

    Get out of here. We will have a new president on November 3, 2020. Godspeed

  140. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Spam slices, fried, on toast + mayo = really quite tasty.

    Maybe even add a little lettuce and tomato.

    I like this, made with Spam:

  141. @Lot
    ????

    Spam was so gross I threw it away after 2 bites the one and only time I tried it. (My prepper collection I try to eat down once a year and replace with newer items.) And it isn’t even especially cheap!

    The only cheap canned meat I’ve liked is tuna and costco canned chicken breast.

    This is what a ham should taste like:

    https://chewoutloud.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/20121225-175606.jpg

    Most American ham is too sugared for my taste. I prefer prosciutto:

    During the summer, I wrap prosciutto on melon slices and drizzle olive oil, red pepper, and mint on it. It’s refreshing and delicious.

    Looks like this:

    • Replies: @Lot
    Prosciutto is too salty for me. I think it is a source of toxoplasmosis too.

    I find this photo very frightening so I think I haven’t been infected.



    https://thefw.com/files/2012/05/mothers-day-baby-kittens-with-mom-cat.jpg
  142. @Alan Mercer
    Here's a scatterplot using your CV per neighborhood data and this median income data.

    Thanks. Any idea of the R^2 for that?

  143. @Twinkie
    Most American ham is too sugared for my taste. I prefer prosciutto:


    https://caputos.com/wp-content/uploads/Prosciutto-di-San-Daniele-Dok-DallAva-1.jpg


    During the summer, I wrap prosciutto on melon slices and drizzle olive oil, red pepper, and mint on it. It’s refreshing and delicious.

    Looks like this:

    https://cdn-image.myrecipes.com/sites/default/files/image/recipes/ck/09/05/prosciutto-melon-ck-1891934-x.jpg

    Prosciutto is too salty for me. I think it is a source of toxoplasmosis too.

    I find this photo very frightening so I think I haven’t been infected.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I think it is a source of toxoplasmosis too.
     
    Isn’t that a problem with salami, not prosciutto? Prosciutto is salted and aged a long time which I thought deactivated the oocysts.
  144. @Marty
    I have tuna for breakfast almost ever morning. I load it up with red onion, red cabbage and celery, plus a little thyme, and oil/vinegar. According to Michael Savage, those red onions are going to open things up for zinc to cross the whatever barrier, and make me immune to the virus. On the other hand, today he called Barry Goldwater, “Goldberg.”

    Tuna may be lean and delicious, but it also has mercury

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Uh oh - so that's my problem!
  145. @Lot
    Prosciutto is too salty for me. I think it is a source of toxoplasmosis too.

    I find this photo very frightening so I think I haven’t been infected.



    https://thefw.com/files/2012/05/mothers-day-baby-kittens-with-mom-cat.jpg

    I think it is a source of toxoplasmosis too.

    Isn’t that a problem with salami, not prosciutto? Prosciutto is salted and aged a long time which I thought deactivated the oocysts.

    • Replies: @Lot
    No idea, but the jamon belt in Europe has a much higher rates of infection than the USA.

    Am alternate explanation is the USA has lower levels of animal infection than Europe:

    https://meridian.allenpress.com/jfp/article-lookup/doi/10.4315/0362-028X.JFP-14-328
  146. @Twinkie

    I think it is a source of toxoplasmosis too.
     
    Isn’t that a problem with salami, not prosciutto? Prosciutto is salted and aged a long time which I thought deactivated the oocysts.

    No idea, but the jamon belt in Europe has a much higher rates of infection than the USA.

    Am alternate explanation is the USA has lower levels of animal infection than Europe:

    https://meridian.allenpress.com/jfp/article-lookup/doi/10.4315/0362-028X.JFP-14-328

  147. @Marty
    I have tuna for breakfast almost ever morning. I load it up with red onion, red cabbage and celery, plus a little thyme, and oil/vinegar. According to Michael Savage, those red onions are going to open things up for zinc to cross the whatever barrier, and make me immune to the virus. On the other hand, today he called Barry Goldwater, “Goldberg.”

    I’ll stick to dinner time, but thanks for the red onion tip.

  148. @Difference Maker
    Tuna may be lean and delicious, but it also has mercury

    Uh oh – so that’s my problem!

  149. • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/StudioCityPatch/status/1247620616380977154
    https://twitter.com/StudioCityPatch/status/1247949160462024704
  150. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/StudioCityPatch/status/1247323714653425665

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