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From The Atlantic:

The New Casualties of Automation

Jobs that are dangerous or involve repetitive labor are most at risk of becoming obsolete. And that means some racial groups will suffer more than others.

LOLADE FADULU DEC 21, 2017

… And in this new wave, Latinos are the main casualties. …

According to the Pew report, Latinos are far more likely than whites and blacks to cite automation as the key cause for why their hours or pay have been reduced, or even why they lost a job. …

In an effort to gauge the impact of automation on different racial groups, the Brookings Institution’s Muro and Whiton assessed the “automation potential”—a measure developed by McKinsey that pertains to how many tasks can be automated using today’s technology—for the 20 occupations in which each racial group is most concentrated. They then compared that to the number of workers in each occupation. Latinos, the researchers found, face the highest automation potential at close to 60 percent, followed by blacks at 50 percent, Asians at almost 40 percent, and whites at roughly 25 percent. Without digital skills, Latinos can be automated out of jobs that extend far beyond the construction and hospitality sectors: According to Brookings, the share of jobs that don’t require workers to have experience beyond basic digital skills—such as knowing how to use Excel and Word—has fallen from 56 to 30 percent between 2002 to 2012. …

Automation threatens to exacerbate a pattern in which Latinos are stuck at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder …

 
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  1. • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
    , @Neoconned
    If you ever go to the Deep South you'll find trailer park whites and blacks still are very willing to do menial labor. Latinos not so much.

    We don't have a single Latino at ANY of the fast food jobs I've worked the last 3 years besides 2 Puerto Ricans....both of whom quit after a few months....

    Latinos work hard and bust ass when the threat of deportation is under them. More Mexicans are leaving the USA than coming in at the moment. Most of the others already made their money here and gone back home.

    The ones left are mostly central Americans and/or are jacking up labor costs....where I live the Mexican restaurant in town went from say being $7 a plate in 2013ish to $20 a plate now....and the servers aren't even Mexican any More....

    Food costs are about on par in Mexico to what they are in the non California border states.

    People in California mistakenly think Mexico is cheap and that the rest of the country is as rich as them....
    , @El Dato
    Yeah, but you gotta admit, the US is standing up for Israel like it's going intifada.

    You have to take the good news where they are.

    LOLADE FADULU
     
    Some kind of new meme, shurely?
  2. And that means some racial groups will suffer more than others.

    The Atlantic spends a goodly portion of their articles telling us that there is no worthy basis for considering race; then they spend a goodly portion of their articles bemoaning the fate of various racial groups.

    I believe this is called schizophrenia.

    • Replies: @Sean
    The Atlantic has discovered that the world is a giant machine for disparately impacting racial groups, so they will never run out of stories to boost their social standing .
  3. Anonymous [AKA "Peabody"] says:

    So we’re inviting an unmitigated number of unqualified Mexican immigrants to their inevitable financial destitution, while denying real accountability, so… not being racist… is super “laughing nazi” level racist!

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-automation-retail

    Few years ago this study came out.

    They're saying 25-45% of jobs will be automated by 2033. That's almost HALF OF JOBS. Billionaire Bill Gross is saying go ahead with UBI.... Universal Basic Income;

    www.forbes.com/sites/laurengensler/2016/05/04/bill-gross-robots-taking-over-universal-basic-income/amp/

    It's over guys. UBI for those who don't know is where the govt prints up $ and literally gives it to everyone....

    Welfare for all via the printing press.

    I'm no genius but wanna bet adoption of Bitcoin will go thru the roof as people seek currency stability the SECOND they implement this lunacy and the USD will plunge
  4. @IHTG
    https://twitter.com/varadmehta/status/944004635508998146

    Thanks.

  5. Latinos, the researchers found, face the highest automation potential at close to 60 percent, followed by blacks at 50 percent, Asians at almost 40 percent, and whites at roughly 25 percent.

    Can anyone make sense of the Asian statistics? I thought our asian immigrants tended to be high skill so not vulnerable to automation (at least compared to other races).

    Automation threatens to exacerbate a pattern in which Latinos are stuck at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder …

    It is my understanding the Latinos are better off then blacks; is there something I’m missing or is this competition in the oppression Olympics?

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    Changes in the rub'n'tug market?
    , @Glaivester
    Fewer Japanese/Chinese, hmore Hmong hmigrants?
    , @charles w abbott
    Samuel Skinner wrote:

    "It is my understanding the Latinos are better off then blacks; is there something I’m missing or is this competition in the oppression Olympics?"

    = - = - = - =

    It is my impression that certain occupational strata disproportionately employ Black Americans, especially Black women. Personal care fields such as nursing home aides, housekeeping in nursing home, home health aides--Where I live (Northeast) these tend to employee many Black women. Some of those jobs would be non-trivial to automate. Verbal competence in colloquial English tends to be very important, social skills are non-trivial. A sunny disposition and the ability to tolerate demanding patients helps, too. You probably don't need "book smarts" so long as you can get to work on time and do your job.

    I'm sure it varies a lot from one part of the country to the other. It may be that many Hispanics (especially men) are in relatively unskilled manufacturing and / or construction fields more subject to automation.
    , @Merde

    Can anyone make sense of the Asian statistics?
     
    My guess is that automation will effect low skill work but also white collar work. Filipinos are involved with a lot medical drudge work and will likely lose out. Chinese/Korean/Japanese will be hurt when the low charisma/high autism jobs they thrive in begin to automate. The dutiful, diligent, and inscrutable computers are coming.
    , @Brutusale
    The financial fulfillment company I'm consulting has a certain amount of hand finishing that's currently done by a horde of Chinese, Vietnamese and Cambodian women. Over the next 10 months the company is buying new equipment designed to process the small or complex mailings. I would imagine that the the same sorts of processes are being reevaluated in many industries.

    The horde of nice Asian ladies will be going away.

  6. @bomag

    And that means some racial groups will suffer more than others.
     
    The Atlantic spends a goodly portion of their articles telling us that there is no worthy basis for considering race; then they spend a goodly portion of their articles bemoaning the fate of various racial groups.

    I believe this is called schizophrenia.

    The Atlantic has discovered that the world is a giant machine for disparately impacting racial groups, so they will never run out of stories to boost their social standing .

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This being the solstice, may I remind you and the Atlantic that dark people are particularly invisible this time of year. There's disparate impact for you. There ought to be a law.

    Incidentally, great title Steve.

  7. Brenda Walker at VDare has been all over this for a number of years.

    The unstoppable force of stupidity meets the immovable object of reality. Tune in Monday night!

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Brenda Walker of VDARE is a Valkyrie.

    I ain't ever used the word Valkyrie before; it's a Norse word. It means Chooser Of The Slain.

    Brenda Walker is good at choosing memorable phrases and short sentences that distill things down to their essence.

    Examples:

    Legalization IS Amnesty.

    Legalization (with work permits) IS Amnesty.

    Automation Makes Immigration Obsolete.
  8. @Samuel Skinner

    Latinos, the researchers found, face the highest automation potential at close to 60 percent, followed by blacks at 50 percent, Asians at almost 40 percent, and whites at roughly 25 percent.
     
    Can anyone make sense of the Asian statistics? I thought our asian immigrants tended to be high skill so not vulnerable to automation (at least compared to other races).

    Automation threatens to exacerbate a pattern in which Latinos are stuck at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder …
     
    It is my understanding the Latinos are better off then blacks; is there something I'm missing or is this competition in the oppression Olympics?

    Changes in the rub’n’tug market?

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    long fleshlights ldo
  9. @IHTG
    https://twitter.com/varadmehta/status/944004635508998146

    If you ever go to the Deep South you’ll find trailer park whites and blacks still are very willing to do menial labor. Latinos not so much.

    We don’t have a single Latino at ANY of the fast food jobs I’ve worked the last 3 years besides 2 Puerto Ricans….both of whom quit after a few months….

    Latinos work hard and bust ass when the threat of deportation is under them. More Mexicans are leaving the USA than coming in at the moment. Most of the others already made their money here and gone back home.

    The ones left are mostly central Americans and/or are jacking up labor costs….where I live the Mexican restaurant in town went from say being $7 a plate in 2013ish to $20 a plate now….and the servers aren’t even Mexican any More….

    Food costs are about on par in Mexico to what they are in the non California border states.

    People in California mistakenly think Mexico is cheap and that the rest of the country is as rich as them….

    • Replies: @IHTG
    Why do you keep responding to the wrong people's posts
  10. @Anonymous
    So we’re inviting an unmitigated number of unqualified Mexican immigrants to their inevitable financial destitution, while denying real accountability, so... not being racist... is super "laughing nazi" level racist!

    https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-automation-retail

    Few years ago this study came out.

    They’re saying 25-45% of jobs will be automated by 2033. That’s almost HALF OF JOBS. Billionaire Bill Gross is saying go ahead with UBI…. Universal Basic Income;

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurengensler/2016/05/04/bill-gross-robots-taking-over-universal-basic-income/amp/

    It’s over guys. UBI for those who don’t know is where the govt prints up $ and literally gives it to everyone….

    Welfare for all via the printing press.

    I’m no genius but wanna bet adoption of Bitcoin will go thru the roof as people seek currency stability the SECOND they implement this lunacy and the USD will plunge

    • Replies: @bomag

    UBI for those who don’t know is where the govt prints up $ and literally gives it to everyone….
     
    The PLAN here is to take all the wonderful wealth created by automated corporations and fund UBI; either via taxation or borrowing the money (same thing in the end).

    The big question is: can the UBI recipients maintain enough political power to keep the $$$ flowing? Right now the welfare brigades have votes and the threat of violence; I wonder about that business plan long term when the robots count the votes and have AlphaGoZero levels of security.

    , @J.Ross
    UBI needs to be opposed more than anything else. If implemented as described it means the end of class mobility. Social mobility was America's glory because people had unusually available means of obtaining objective value regardless of starting point, social convention or elite will. Now everyone gets the value assigned by the government, which is the same for all. This is the elimination of the middle class and of the possibility of a middle class existing. Bill Gates will still have all of his money but you will be forbidden from reaching the next tax bracket.
    And of course, if they implement it without first repealing economic laws, it will mean an exploding black market and vicious price games.
    , @wrd9
    UBI will only happen after a major culling or massive deportation.
  11. Jobs that are dangerous or involve repetitive labor are most at risk of becoming obsolete.

    I can see why they’re worried. Writing the same articles over and over at The Atlantic is the perfect example of “repetitive labor”.

  12. istevefan says:

    And that means some racial groups will suffer more than others.

    … And in this new wave, Latinos are the main casualties. …

    We are forever told that latinos are not a racial group. Anyone of any race can be latino. In reality we know when our media refers to latinos, they are referring to mestizos.

    According to the Pew report, Latinos are far more likely than whites and blacks to cite automation as the key cause for why their hours or pay have been reduced, or even why they lost a job. …

    I imagine white latinos probably cite automation as the key cause for their reduced hours as often as white Americans.

    Maybe we ought to drop the latino category and adopt mestizo and other such terms from Latin America. Given that our leaders are intent on making us a part of Latin America, we might as well learn the lingo.

  13. OTOH the unemployment rate for Hispanic American citizens last month was 4.7 percent, the lowest number ever recorded. Maybe there are fewer people arriving fresh from the border these days?

    Or maybe automation has decreased lately. You be the judge.

  14. What could be better for a country than an exploding ethnic underclass and festering resentment? Welcome to United States of Brazilia, courtesy of Kennedy, Bush!, (((Zuckerberg))), & Company.

  15. Lolade Fadulu, Amherst’17 diploma-clinching scribe, is an assistant editor at The Atlantic.

    Why & Who-Whom? – bored identity would like to know.

    Is it because of her enormous talent & skills, or simply because she wuz & wannabee queen?

    Let’s see…

    Only a few years ago, Mrs. Fadulu crafted a plan :

    “…Before taking Intro to Legal Theory with Professor Adam Sitze my sophomore spring, I never spoke in my classes. (…)

    My thoughts would go from some variation of “Look at all of these white people” to a version of “If I say something stupid, all of these white people will have their stereotypes about black people confirmed.”

    (…)

    I spent the following summer in Hitchcock dormitory feeling depressed about my racial and gender oppression.

    But I realized that I could not go on like this so I crafted a plan.

    The plan was to try to stop thinking about my identity in the classroom.

    This experiment sounds like a bad one, but please know that I had no intention of adopting colorblindness.

    In fact, one of the benefits of being a dark-skinned black woman is that I am still a black person, even if I don’t think about it.

    My pigment doesn’t change even if my mind’s eye isn’t focused on it.

    A privilege and maybe a nightmare too, but definitely something not all of my light-skinned counterparts experience.

    This experiment went surprisingly well.

    Speaking up in class became a piece of cake.

    Who cared if I made a comment that revealed I misunderstood the material?

    I certainly didn’t.

    It dawned on me that I should be preoccupied with the class material instead of my white peers’ attitudes towards me.

    Most of them were certainly getting their tuition dollars’ worth by using the classroom as a space to test green ideas.

    Why shouldn’t I?

    Attending office hours was no longer a time where I shook nervously wondering whether my white bespectacled professors believed I deserved to be at Amherst.

    Standing under fluorescent lighting in front of a mirror in the women’s locker room was no longer a moment where I compared my thick thighs or textured twists to my white teammates’ legs and straight blonde and brunette hair.

    Spending an endless amount of time pacing down CVS’ skin care aisle was no longer an occasion where I wondered whether the white retail associates in their blue shirts with red accents thought I was planning to steal.

    Ignoring the white gaze has been liberating for me.

    My confidence levels have spiked.

    My stress levels have fallen.

    Because I am better able to see my worth, due to the fact that my time has been spent building myself up, I have the confidence to pick and choose what I allow to get to me.

    Not everything has the value of being worth my time.

    And for what I do allow to get to me, I am equipped to tear it down with forceful argumentation.”

    (…)

    http://theindicator.wordpress.amherst.edu/uncategorized/on-toni-morrison-and-gazes-by-lolade-fadulu-17#more-391

    • Replies: @Bee7
    ".... but please know that I had no intention of adopting colorblindness."

    Wow! Assimilation died 60 years ago.
    , @bomag

    My confidence levels have spiked... My stress levels have fallen.
     
    IOW, locked and loaded and ready to take down the Man and all he has created and bequeathed to me.
    , @Anonymous
    It's actually pretty reasonable, what she says, given the overall context. She says she's not going to let it all be about skin color. That's progress, frankly.
  16. “Jobs that (…) involve repetitive labor are most at risk of becoming obsolete.”

    Something tells bored identity that Cocky Lolade, as being nothing more but a typical Current Year Michelle O. Replicant, should start crafting a blackity-black, neo-luditte fulminations about For Real Sisters Who Are Doin’ It for Themselves:

  17. @Sean
    The Atlantic has discovered that the world is a giant machine for disparately impacting racial groups, so they will never run out of stories to boost their social standing .

    This being the solstice, may I remind you and the Atlantic that dark people are particularly invisible this time of year. There’s disparate impact for you. There ought to be a law.

    Incidentally, great title Steve.

  18. @Samuel Skinner

    Latinos, the researchers found, face the highest automation potential at close to 60 percent, followed by blacks at 50 percent, Asians at almost 40 percent, and whites at roughly 25 percent.
     
    Can anyone make sense of the Asian statistics? I thought our asian immigrants tended to be high skill so not vulnerable to automation (at least compared to other races).

    Automation threatens to exacerbate a pattern in which Latinos are stuck at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder …
     
    It is my understanding the Latinos are better off then blacks; is there something I'm missing or is this competition in the oppression Olympics?

    Fewer Japanese/Chinese, hmore Hmong hmigrants?

  19. Without digital skills, Latinos can be automated out of jobs…

    Even as someone who would probably be characterized as having “digital skills”, I’ve no idea what this means, and I doubt the author of the bit does too.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Digital skills:
    https://youtu.be/3SDeN9ZrRRI
  20. @Samuel Skinner

    Latinos, the researchers found, face the highest automation potential at close to 60 percent, followed by blacks at 50 percent, Asians at almost 40 percent, and whites at roughly 25 percent.
     
    Can anyone make sense of the Asian statistics? I thought our asian immigrants tended to be high skill so not vulnerable to automation (at least compared to other races).

    Automation threatens to exacerbate a pattern in which Latinos are stuck at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder …
     
    It is my understanding the Latinos are better off then blacks; is there something I'm missing or is this competition in the oppression Olympics?

    Samuel Skinner wrote:

    “It is my understanding the Latinos are better off then blacks; is there something I’m missing or is this competition in the oppression Olympics?”

    = – = – = – =

    It is my impression that certain occupational strata disproportionately employ Black Americans, especially Black women. Personal care fields such as nursing home aides, housekeeping in nursing home, home health aides–Where I live (Northeast) these tend to employee many Black women. Some of those jobs would be non-trivial to automate. Verbal competence in colloquial English tends to be very important, social skills are non-trivial. A sunny disposition and the ability to tolerate demanding patients helps, too. You probably don’t need “book smarts” so long as you can get to work on time and do your job.

    I’m sure it varies a lot from one part of the country to the other. It may be that many Hispanics (especially men) are in relatively unskilled manufacturing and / or construction fields more subject to automation.

  21. @Samuel Skinner

    Latinos, the researchers found, face the highest automation potential at close to 60 percent, followed by blacks at 50 percent, Asians at almost 40 percent, and whites at roughly 25 percent.
     
    Can anyone make sense of the Asian statistics? I thought our asian immigrants tended to be high skill so not vulnerable to automation (at least compared to other races).

    Automation threatens to exacerbate a pattern in which Latinos are stuck at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder …
     
    It is my understanding the Latinos are better off then blacks; is there something I'm missing or is this competition in the oppression Olympics?

    Can anyone make sense of the Asian statistics?

    My guess is that automation will effect low skill work but also white collar work. Filipinos are involved with a lot medical drudge work and will likely lose out. Chinese/Korean/Japanese will be hurt when the low charisma/high autism jobs they thrive in begin to automate. The dutiful, diligent, and inscrutable computers are coming.

  22. @Samuel Skinner

    Latinos, the researchers found, face the highest automation potential at close to 60 percent, followed by blacks at 50 percent, Asians at almost 40 percent, and whites at roughly 25 percent.
     
    Can anyone make sense of the Asian statistics? I thought our asian immigrants tended to be high skill so not vulnerable to automation (at least compared to other races).

    Automation threatens to exacerbate a pattern in which Latinos are stuck at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder …
     
    It is my understanding the Latinos are better off then blacks; is there something I'm missing or is this competition in the oppression Olympics?

    The financial fulfillment company I’m consulting has a certain amount of hand finishing that’s currently done by a horde of Chinese, Vietnamese and Cambodian women. Over the next 10 months the company is buying new equipment designed to process the small or complex mailings. I would imagine that the the same sorts of processes are being reevaluated in many industries.

    The horde of nice Asian ladies will be going away.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Almost everything these celebrated man-eliminating white collar women do is stuff that could be done by computers in the seventies. I leave it to the reader to discover why they weren't replaced much sooner.
  23. @Hunsdon
    Changes in the rub'n'tug market?

    long fleshlights ldo

  24. @Neoconned
    If you ever go to the Deep South you'll find trailer park whites and blacks still are very willing to do menial labor. Latinos not so much.

    We don't have a single Latino at ANY of the fast food jobs I've worked the last 3 years besides 2 Puerto Ricans....both of whom quit after a few months....

    Latinos work hard and bust ass when the threat of deportation is under them. More Mexicans are leaving the USA than coming in at the moment. Most of the others already made their money here and gone back home.

    The ones left are mostly central Americans and/or are jacking up labor costs....where I live the Mexican restaurant in town went from say being $7 a plate in 2013ish to $20 a plate now....and the servers aren't even Mexican any More....

    Food costs are about on par in Mexico to what they are in the non California border states.

    People in California mistakenly think Mexico is cheap and that the rest of the country is as rich as them....

    Why do you keep responding to the wrong people’s posts

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    I didn't.

    I reply to the first post
  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    Brenda Walker at VDare has been all over this for a number of years.

    The unstoppable force of stupidity meets the immovable object of reality. Tune in Monday night!

    Brenda Walker of VDARE is a Valkyrie.

    I ain’t ever used the word Valkyrie before; it’s a Norse word. It means Chooser Of The Slain.

    Brenda Walker is good at choosing memorable phrases and short sentences that distill things down to their essence.

    Examples:

    Legalization IS Amnesty.

    Legalization (with work permits) IS Amnesty.

    Automation Makes Immigration Obsolete.

  26. @bored identity
    Lolade Fadulu, Amherst'17 diploma-clinching scribe, is an assistant editor at The Atlantic.


    Why & Who-Whom? - bored identity would like to know.

    Is it because of her enormous talent & skills, or simply because she wuz & wannabee queen?

    Let's see...

    Only a few years ago, Mrs. Fadulu crafted a plan :




    "...Before taking Intro to Legal Theory with Professor Adam Sitze my sophomore spring, I never spoke in my classes. (...)

    My thoughts would go from some variation of “Look at all of these white people” to a version of “If I say something stupid, all of these white people will have their stereotypes about black people confirmed.”

    (...)

    I spent the following summer in Hitchcock dormitory feeling depressed about my racial and gender oppression.

    But I realized that I could not go on like this so I crafted a plan.

    The plan was to try to stop thinking about my identity in the classroom.

    This experiment sounds like a bad one, but please know that I had no intention of adopting colorblindness.

    In fact, one of the benefits of being a dark-skinned black woman is that I am still a black person, even if I don’t think about it.

    My pigment doesn’t change even if my mind’s eye isn’t focused on it.

    A privilege and maybe a nightmare too, but definitely something not all of my light-skinned counterparts experience.

    This experiment went surprisingly well.

    Speaking up in class became a piece of cake.

    Who cared if I made a comment that revealed I misunderstood the material?

    I certainly didn’t.


    It dawned on me that I should be preoccupied with the class material instead of my white peers’ attitudes towards me.

    Most of them were certainly getting their tuition dollars’ worth by using the classroom as a space to test green ideas.

    Why shouldn’t I?

    Attending office hours was no longer a time where I shook nervously wondering whether my white bespectacled professors believed I deserved to be at Amherst.

    Standing under fluorescent lighting in front of a mirror in the women’s locker room was no longer a moment where I compared my thick thighs or textured twists to my white teammates’ legs and straight blonde and brunette hair.

    Spending an endless amount of time pacing down CVS’ skin care aisle was no longer an occasion where I wondered whether the white retail associates in their blue shirts with red accents thought I was planning to steal.

    Ignoring the white gaze has been liberating for me.

    My confidence levels have spiked.

    My stress levels have fallen.

    Because I am better able to see my worth, due to the fact that my time has been spent building myself up, I have the confidence to pick and choose what I allow to get to me.

    Not everything has the value of being worth my time.

    And for what I do allow to get to me, I am equipped to tear it down with forceful argumentation."

    (...)


    http://theindicator.wordpress.amherst.edu/uncategorized/on-toni-morrison-and-gazes-by-lolade-fadulu-17#more-391

     

    “…. but please know that I had no intention of adopting colorblindness.”

    Wow! Assimilation died 60 years ago.

  27. Years ago we would install new machinery and production lines at the GM River Road Engine plant in nearby Tonawanda, NY. Each new piece of automation simplified assembly and eliminated jobs. Back then it was called progress. Now it’s called racism.

  28. No job will get automated just because it’s technically feasible. Economics matters too: will a machine cost less than a human, per unit of output? The McKinsey study this Atlantic piece cites does show some appreciation of that, but the numbers it cranks out (which The Atlantic dutifully reports) take into account only technical feasibility and not economics.

    Automation does make low-skilled immigration less rewarding, but lots of low-skilled immigration also retards automation, by driving down the cost of humans relative to the cost of machines.

    The construction industry in Israel became more labor-intensive after the 1967 war, because a whole lot of West Bank and Gaza Arabs joined the labor force.

  29. Androids are the real dreamers. They dream of electric sheep and sure come cheap.

    Farm labor robots: Grobots.

  30. @Sandmich
    Without digital skills, Latinos can be automated out of jobs...
    ---
    Even as someone who would probably be characterized as having "digital skills", I've no idea what this means, and I doubt the author of the bit does too.

    Digital skills:

  31. @Neoconned
    https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-automation-retail

    Few years ago this study came out.

    They're saying 25-45% of jobs will be automated by 2033. That's almost HALF OF JOBS. Billionaire Bill Gross is saying go ahead with UBI.... Universal Basic Income;

    www.forbes.com/sites/laurengensler/2016/05/04/bill-gross-robots-taking-over-universal-basic-income/amp/

    It's over guys. UBI for those who don't know is where the govt prints up $ and literally gives it to everyone....

    Welfare for all via the printing press.

    I'm no genius but wanna bet adoption of Bitcoin will go thru the roof as people seek currency stability the SECOND they implement this lunacy and the USD will plunge

    UBI for those who don’t know is where the govt prints up $ and literally gives it to everyone….

    The PLAN here is to take all the wonderful wealth created by automated corporations and fund UBI; either via taxation or borrowing the money (same thing in the end).

    The big question is: can the UBI recipients maintain enough political power to keep the $$$ flowing? Right now the welfare brigades have votes and the threat of violence; I wonder about that business plan long term when the robots count the votes and have AlphaGoZero levels of security.

  32. @Neoconned
    https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-automation-retail

    Few years ago this study came out.

    They're saying 25-45% of jobs will be automated by 2033. That's almost HALF OF JOBS. Billionaire Bill Gross is saying go ahead with UBI.... Universal Basic Income;

    www.forbes.com/sites/laurengensler/2016/05/04/bill-gross-robots-taking-over-universal-basic-income/amp/

    It's over guys. UBI for those who don't know is where the govt prints up $ and literally gives it to everyone....

    Welfare for all via the printing press.

    I'm no genius but wanna bet adoption of Bitcoin will go thru the roof as people seek currency stability the SECOND they implement this lunacy and the USD will plunge

    UBI needs to be opposed more than anything else. If implemented as described it means the end of class mobility. Social mobility was America’s glory because people had unusually available means of obtaining objective value regardless of starting point, social convention or elite will. Now everyone gets the value assigned by the government, which is the same for all. This is the elimination of the middle class and of the possibility of a middle class existing. Bill Gates will still have all of his money but you will be forbidden from reaching the next tax bracket.
    And of course, if they implement it without first repealing economic laws, it will mean an exploding black market and vicious price games.

    • Replies: @bomag

    And of course, if they implement it without first repealing economic laws, it will mean an exploding black market and vicious price games.
     
    Yes.

    The novels of William Gibson often come up in these discussions, with their world of mega corporations/gov't and a significant portion of the populace scrounging on the edges.
    , @Neoconned
    What alternative is there though?

    And I'm w you....I favor NEGATIVE immigration w say citizenship being sold at auction to billionaires...

    That being said...this will lead to either autocratic rule or the balkanization of the USA.

    Simply put there aren't enough jobs or GDP for these foreigners seeking free shit w the aging boomers taking everything else
  33. @Brutusale
    The financial fulfillment company I'm consulting has a certain amount of hand finishing that's currently done by a horde of Chinese, Vietnamese and Cambodian women. Over the next 10 months the company is buying new equipment designed to process the small or complex mailings. I would imagine that the the same sorts of processes are being reevaluated in many industries.

    The horde of nice Asian ladies will be going away.

    Almost everything these celebrated man-eliminating white collar women do is stuff that could be done by computers in the seventies. I leave it to the reader to discover why they weren’t replaced much sooner.

  34. @IHTG
    https://twitter.com/varadmehta/status/944004635508998146

    Yeah, but you gotta admit, the US is standing up for Israel like it’s going intifada.

    You have to take the good news where they are.

    LOLADE FADULU

    Some kind of new meme, shurely?

  35. I’m still waiting for the Police Giant Robot Section upholding the law.

    Instead of that, we get Militarized Police SWAT Armor Section visiting your home and shottying your dog at oh dark thirty.

    What went wrong???

  36. @bored identity
    Lolade Fadulu, Amherst'17 diploma-clinching scribe, is an assistant editor at The Atlantic.


    Why & Who-Whom? - bored identity would like to know.

    Is it because of her enormous talent & skills, or simply because she wuz & wannabee queen?

    Let's see...

    Only a few years ago, Mrs. Fadulu crafted a plan :




    "...Before taking Intro to Legal Theory with Professor Adam Sitze my sophomore spring, I never spoke in my classes. (...)

    My thoughts would go from some variation of “Look at all of these white people” to a version of “If I say something stupid, all of these white people will have their stereotypes about black people confirmed.”

    (...)

    I spent the following summer in Hitchcock dormitory feeling depressed about my racial and gender oppression.

    But I realized that I could not go on like this so I crafted a plan.

    The plan was to try to stop thinking about my identity in the classroom.

    This experiment sounds like a bad one, but please know that I had no intention of adopting colorblindness.

    In fact, one of the benefits of being a dark-skinned black woman is that I am still a black person, even if I don’t think about it.

    My pigment doesn’t change even if my mind’s eye isn’t focused on it.

    A privilege and maybe a nightmare too, but definitely something not all of my light-skinned counterparts experience.

    This experiment went surprisingly well.

    Speaking up in class became a piece of cake.

    Who cared if I made a comment that revealed I misunderstood the material?

    I certainly didn’t.


    It dawned on me that I should be preoccupied with the class material instead of my white peers’ attitudes towards me.

    Most of them were certainly getting their tuition dollars’ worth by using the classroom as a space to test green ideas.

    Why shouldn’t I?

    Attending office hours was no longer a time where I shook nervously wondering whether my white bespectacled professors believed I deserved to be at Amherst.

    Standing under fluorescent lighting in front of a mirror in the women’s locker room was no longer a moment where I compared my thick thighs or textured twists to my white teammates’ legs and straight blonde and brunette hair.

    Spending an endless amount of time pacing down CVS’ skin care aisle was no longer an occasion where I wondered whether the white retail associates in their blue shirts with red accents thought I was planning to steal.

    Ignoring the white gaze has been liberating for me.

    My confidence levels have spiked.

    My stress levels have fallen.

    Because I am better able to see my worth, due to the fact that my time has been spent building myself up, I have the confidence to pick and choose what I allow to get to me.

    Not everything has the value of being worth my time.

    And for what I do allow to get to me, I am equipped to tear it down with forceful argumentation."

    (...)


    http://theindicator.wordpress.amherst.edu/uncategorized/on-toni-morrison-and-gazes-by-lolade-fadulu-17#more-391

     

    My confidence levels have spiked… My stress levels have fallen.

    IOW, locked and loaded and ready to take down the Man and all he has created and bequeathed to me.

  37. @bored identity
    Lolade Fadulu, Amherst'17 diploma-clinching scribe, is an assistant editor at The Atlantic.


    Why & Who-Whom? - bored identity would like to know.

    Is it because of her enormous talent & skills, or simply because she wuz & wannabee queen?

    Let's see...

    Only a few years ago, Mrs. Fadulu crafted a plan :




    "...Before taking Intro to Legal Theory with Professor Adam Sitze my sophomore spring, I never spoke in my classes. (...)

    My thoughts would go from some variation of “Look at all of these white people” to a version of “If I say something stupid, all of these white people will have their stereotypes about black people confirmed.”

    (...)

    I spent the following summer in Hitchcock dormitory feeling depressed about my racial and gender oppression.

    But I realized that I could not go on like this so I crafted a plan.

    The plan was to try to stop thinking about my identity in the classroom.

    This experiment sounds like a bad one, but please know that I had no intention of adopting colorblindness.

    In fact, one of the benefits of being a dark-skinned black woman is that I am still a black person, even if I don’t think about it.

    My pigment doesn’t change even if my mind’s eye isn’t focused on it.

    A privilege and maybe a nightmare too, but definitely something not all of my light-skinned counterparts experience.

    This experiment went surprisingly well.

    Speaking up in class became a piece of cake.

    Who cared if I made a comment that revealed I misunderstood the material?

    I certainly didn’t.


    It dawned on me that I should be preoccupied with the class material instead of my white peers’ attitudes towards me.

    Most of them were certainly getting their tuition dollars’ worth by using the classroom as a space to test green ideas.

    Why shouldn’t I?

    Attending office hours was no longer a time where I shook nervously wondering whether my white bespectacled professors believed I deserved to be at Amherst.

    Standing under fluorescent lighting in front of a mirror in the women’s locker room was no longer a moment where I compared my thick thighs or textured twists to my white teammates’ legs and straight blonde and brunette hair.

    Spending an endless amount of time pacing down CVS’ skin care aisle was no longer an occasion where I wondered whether the white retail associates in their blue shirts with red accents thought I was planning to steal.

    Ignoring the white gaze has been liberating for me.

    My confidence levels have spiked.

    My stress levels have fallen.

    Because I am better able to see my worth, due to the fact that my time has been spent building myself up, I have the confidence to pick and choose what I allow to get to me.

    Not everything has the value of being worth my time.

    And for what I do allow to get to me, I am equipped to tear it down with forceful argumentation."

    (...)


    http://theindicator.wordpress.amherst.edu/uncategorized/on-toni-morrison-and-gazes-by-lolade-fadulu-17#more-391

     

    It’s actually pretty reasonable, what she says, given the overall context. She says she’s not going to let it all be about skin color. That’s progress, frankly.

  38. @J.Ross
    UBI needs to be opposed more than anything else. If implemented as described it means the end of class mobility. Social mobility was America's glory because people had unusually available means of obtaining objective value regardless of starting point, social convention or elite will. Now everyone gets the value assigned by the government, which is the same for all. This is the elimination of the middle class and of the possibility of a middle class existing. Bill Gates will still have all of his money but you will be forbidden from reaching the next tax bracket.
    And of course, if they implement it without first repealing economic laws, it will mean an exploding black market and vicious price games.

    And of course, if they implement it without first repealing economic laws, it will mean an exploding black market and vicious price games.

    Yes.

    The novels of William Gibson often come up in these discussions, with their world of mega corporations/gov’t and a significant portion of the populace scrounging on the edges.

  39. No matter how unskilled a potential worker is, there is always one job they will be qualified for. Voting fodder for pandering politicians.

  40. The solution is more Mexicans otherwise we won’t have enough taxpayers to subsidize the aging unemployed Mexicans

  41. @Neoconned
    https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-automation-retail

    Few years ago this study came out.

    They're saying 25-45% of jobs will be automated by 2033. That's almost HALF OF JOBS. Billionaire Bill Gross is saying go ahead with UBI.... Universal Basic Income;

    www.forbes.com/sites/laurengensler/2016/05/04/bill-gross-robots-taking-over-universal-basic-income/amp/

    It's over guys. UBI for those who don't know is where the govt prints up $ and literally gives it to everyone....

    Welfare for all via the printing press.

    I'm no genius but wanna bet adoption of Bitcoin will go thru the roof as people seek currency stability the SECOND they implement this lunacy and the USD will plunge

    UBI will only happen after a major culling or massive deportation.

  42. @IHTG
    Why do you keep responding to the wrong people's posts

    I didn’t.

    I reply to the first post

  43. @J.Ross
    UBI needs to be opposed more than anything else. If implemented as described it means the end of class mobility. Social mobility was America's glory because people had unusually available means of obtaining objective value regardless of starting point, social convention or elite will. Now everyone gets the value assigned by the government, which is the same for all. This is the elimination of the middle class and of the possibility of a middle class existing. Bill Gates will still have all of his money but you will be forbidden from reaching the next tax bracket.
    And of course, if they implement it without first repealing economic laws, it will mean an exploding black market and vicious price games.

    What alternative is there though?

    And I’m w you….I favor NEGATIVE immigration w say citizenship being sold at auction to billionaires…

    That being said…this will lead to either autocratic rule or the balkanization of the USA.

    Simply put there aren’t enough jobs or GDP for these foreigners seeking free shit w the aging boomers taking everything else

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