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From The Guardian:

“So Rubio’s foreign policy and national security strategy is to invade Middle Eastern countries, create power vacuums for terrorist organizations, allow their people to come to America unvetted, give them legal status and citizenship, then impose a massive surveillance state to monitor the problem,” Alice Stewart, a national spokeswoman for Cruz, said in a statement to the Guardian.

“I’m trying to figure out if it is more incoherent than dangerous or vice versa.”

Invade the World / Invite the World has been the bipartisan Establishment conventional wisdom throughout this century.

 
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  1. Thank you, Donald Trump.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @carol

    Basically, yeah. He can't win, but he's making more space for everyone else.

    Good show, Donald.

    Replies: @MG, @Jus' Sayin'...

  2. Amazing. I certainly hope he makes this point in the upcoming debates for the whole world to see.

  3. People in high places continue to read your blog.

    Maybe some even donate. Cruz and Trump should if they do not.

  4. This campaign season is shaping up to be more interesting than anyone could reasonably have hoped.

  5. “Our team” is supposed to spend our time following Trump, but the real bellwether is Ted Cruz. He’s a very smart guy and a very calculating guy. Most of the GOP candidates are dumb actors owned by billionaires. Cruz is smart and he’s thinking he will be the ABT (Anybody But Trump) option for the party men as long as he remains just inside where Trump is operating.

    If Cruz is playing the old paleo card that suggests he thinks it is safe to do so while not upsetting the party men too much. It’s as if the tide went out in 1992 and is just starting to come back in all these years later. No one remembers what was once called normal and they are furiously baling as the tide relentlessly comes in.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @The Z Blog

    "Most of the GOP candidates are dumb actors owned by billionaires. Cruz is smart and he’s thinking he will be the ABT (Anybody But Trump) option for the party men as long as he remains just inside where Trump is operating."

    i.e., Cruz aspires to be a smart actor owned by billionaires.

    , @rod1963
    @The Z Blog

    Prior to Trump, I looked Cruz, didn't like what I saw which was another Obama - a junior senator with no real track record but with the ego of the Hindenburg. Much like Rubio and Paul.

    Three stooges who have more in common with each other than they care to note.

    His vote for TPP and support of increasing H1-B's 5x shows he's no Paleo-con or even pro American. He's a tool for Goldman Sachs.

    Right now all Cruz is doing copying Trump's positions after he takes all the heat for them. It makes him look like a jackal with no real base of his own outside of the evangelicals and dominionists that his father has courted for him

    And he's dead wrong if he thinks most Trump supporters would ever support a evangelical nut job like him. He's a fool if he thinks Jeb and the RNC will give him the nomination. Won't happen. That's been promised to Jeb, not McConnell's foot stool.

  6. Alice Stewart, got it. Nice.

  7. Maybe someone will correct me, but I think Cruz has been against both invade and invite since before Trump showed up. Temperamentally he’s the exact opposite of Trump: a brainy nerd who bores and annoys people when he talks.

  8. Passengers of the MS Saint Louis might disagree. Maybe if you added some kind of corollary about inviting only the people who aren’t actually threatened (there seems to be a weird uniparty consensus that the Syrian Christians are unwelcome) … ?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @The Only Catholic Unionist

    "Passengers of the MS Saint Louis might disagree. Maybe if you added some kind of corollary about inviting only the people who aren’t actually threatened (there seems to be a weird uniparty consensus that the Syrian Christians are unwelcome) … ?"

    Oh, shut the hell up about the S.S. St Louis, for God's sake. How many Syrian and Afghan and Nigerian and Iraqi refugees has Israel taken in who aren't Jewish? Oh, none you say? Well I guess Israel didn't learn the lessons of the godforsaken S.S. St Louis, either.

    As for the Syrian Christians, I'm all in favor of rescuing them with one small objection - we should rescue them by establishing a Christian state in the Middle East for them, for the simple fact that if we allow Middle Eastern "Christians" to come to the West suddenly the Middle East will become 100% "Christian."

    These people lie. That's what they do. Figure that out, for God's sake.

    Replies: @The Only Catholic Unionist

    , @shk12344
    @The Only Catholic Unionist


    (there seems to be a weird uniparty consensus that the Syrian Christians are unwelcome) … ?
     
    ....cause according to the Great Narrative, America is no longer a white and a Christian nation. Therefore anything that favors either one of those group is strictly forbidden (racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, sexist, etc.....)
    , @Brutusale
    @The Only Catholic Unionist

    The passengers of the MS St. Louis should have AGREED to go to the DR after Cuba rejected them. I reject any and all efforts to make this look like it was America's fault.

  9. There is some overlap in the sanity Venn diagram between Trump, Cruz, and Paul, though it’s tough to figure out what Cruz actually believes. In any case, more of this from his campaign is welcome.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Paul is more ideological and has been more consistent in his views. Cruz and Trump less so. Trump's views and comments have wavered significantly over the recent past.

    Replies: @Glossy

  10. @carol
    Thank you, Donald Trump.

    Replies: @SFG

    Basically, yeah. He can’t win, but he’s making more space for everyone else.

    Good show, Donald.

    • Replies: @MG
    @SFG

    "He can't win" as in, "we have been praying and hoping the last 6 months"?

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @SFG

    I wish otherwise rational people would stop saying this. My personal observation is that whenever I publicly dare to voice my support for Trrump there are several others present who are afraid to do so in public but who later come to me in private to say they agree and respect my courage but cannot afford to be as forthright as I. BTW, I work in a state that is about as "blue" as you can get, in the state government, and in an agency that is about as chock full of PC SJWs as you can get. I'm not talking about dyed-in-the-wool paleo-conservatives here. The distaste for the policies and politicians that Trump is taking on is widespread and palpable to those with any perception.

    IMHO Trump not only can win the presidency; it appears increasingly likely that he will. His main threat now is a fifth column whose message is, "Sure Trump is the best candidate but we'd better vote for somebody like Cruz/Rubio/Bush/etc., (take your pick) to keep a Democrat from becoming president." Actually, the best way to pave Hilary's or any other Democrat's to the White House is not to select Trump as the Republican candidate. And if that happens the election won't matter all that much anyway.

    Replies: @MG

  11. @Dave Pinsen
    There is some overlap in the sanity Venn diagram between Trump, Cruz, and Paul, though it's tough to figure out what Cruz actually believes. In any case, more of this from his campaign is welcome.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Paul is more ideological and has been more consistent in his views. Cruz and Trump less so. Trump’s views and comments have wavered significantly over the recent past.

    • Replies: @Glossy
    @Anonymous

    Yes. Paul is very WYSIWYG, a sincere libertarian and anti-neocon. Trump is a wild card - is his campaign politics or entertainemnt, how many of his promises would he try to keep, does he even know that himself at this point? Cruz is somewhere inbetween.

    Replies: @snorlax

  12. @The Only Catholic Unionist
    Passengers of the MS Saint Louis might disagree. Maybe if you added some kind of corollary about inviting only the people who aren't actually threatened (there seems to be a weird uniparty consensus that the Syrian Christians are unwelcome) ... ?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @shk12344, @Brutusale

    “Passengers of the MS Saint Louis might disagree. Maybe if you added some kind of corollary about inviting only the people who aren’t actually threatened (there seems to be a weird uniparty consensus that the Syrian Christians are unwelcome) … ?”

    Oh, shut the hell up about the S.S. St Louis, for God’s sake. How many Syrian and Afghan and Nigerian and Iraqi refugees has Israel taken in who aren’t Jewish? Oh, none you say? Well I guess Israel didn’t learn the lessons of the godforsaken S.S. St Louis, either.

    As for the Syrian Christians, I’m all in favor of rescuing them with one small objection – we should rescue them by establishing a Christian state in the Middle East for them, for the simple fact that if we allow Middle Eastern “Christians” to come to the West suddenly the Middle East will become 100% “Christian.”

    These people lie. That’s what they do. Figure that out, for God’s sake.

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @The Only Catholic Unionist
    @Wilkey

    Waaaaaayyyyy too much club.

    My over-arcing point is that inasmuch we invite people in, we seem to have an unerring gift for letting in the wrong ones and turning away the right ones.

    IF (and I'm not sure how to make the Block Capital "IF" any bigger) we decide we want to take in any people from Syria, who ought we to invite? A sea of moon god worshippers in which jihadist fish may swim freely, or people from established Christian communities, known to priests and bishops, who already have been marked for death?

  13. You posted recently about how dumb Rubio is compared to Schumer. Cruz is a lot smarter than Rubio. Rubio seems like a friendly, good natured guy, but not very bright.

  14. Cruz wanted to increase H-1B visas 500%. He is just another phony politician.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @MG

    That raises another question: why didn't Zuck and FWD.us bet on Cruz instead of Rubio?

  15. @The Z Blog
    "Our team" is supposed to spend our time following Trump, but the real bellwether is Ted Cruz. He's a very smart guy and a very calculating guy. Most of the GOP candidates are dumb actors owned by billionaires. Cruz is smart and he's thinking he will be the ABT (Anybody But Trump) option for the party men as long as he remains just inside where Trump is operating.

    If Cruz is playing the old paleo card that suggests he thinks it is safe to do so while not upsetting the party men too much. It's as if the tide went out in 1992 and is just starting to come back in all these years later. No one remembers what was once called normal and they are furiously baling as the tide relentlessly comes in.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @rod1963

    “Most of the GOP candidates are dumb actors owned by billionaires. Cruz is smart and he’s thinking he will be the ABT (Anybody But Trump) option for the party men as long as he remains just inside where Trump is operating.”

    i.e., Cruz aspires to be a smart actor owned by billionaires.

  16. @SFG
    @carol

    Basically, yeah. He can't win, but he's making more space for everyone else.

    Good show, Donald.

    Replies: @MG, @Jus' Sayin'...

    “He can’t win” as in, “we have been praying and hoping the last 6 months”?

  17. I know invade/invite gets a bad rap around here, but all I’m saying is that if we toppled what’s left of the regime in Caracas and transplanted its famed lumpen proletariat to Baltimore, we could end the latter’s scourge of black-on-black violence by uniting the clans against a common enemy, while simultaneously making reparations to the Caracans for introducing them to leaded gasoline aka 20 year aged riot punch. Rubio is the man with the vision, and optics, to lead us to such heights.

    • Replies: @TangoMan
    @Winthorp

    all I’m saying is that if we toppled what’s left of the regime in Caracas and transplanted its famed lumpen proletariat to Baltimore, we could end the latter’s scourge of black-on-black violence by uniting the clans against a common enemy,

    Is this like fighting a gasoline fire by flooding the firezone with diesel or cooking oil?

    Your strategy only makes sense if we do a population swap but it's insane to import a troubled population in order for them to do battle with an even more troubled population. Simply better to use our own resources - send white, anti-racist, liberals to live amongst the blacks in Baltimore.

    , @bomag
    @Winthorp

    Well, on paper it might look like a good idea to import Chinese Needle Snakes to handle the Bolivian Tree Lizards, but these multi bank shot scenarios almost never work out as planned.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  18. Cruz really struck me as a neocon in earlier debates, talking in an evangelical tone about defending Israel unconditionally. Or maybe he’s just like a sleazier Clinton and doesn’t have fixed beliefs.

    I do think Trump has sincerely “evolved” in his views recently. I know I have.

  19. Isn’t Cruz pretty much on board with the “invade the world” part of Steve’s formulation. Also, I don’t believe he’s really seriously against the “invite the world” part either. He has advocated increasing the number of H1-B visas.

  20. Back when I was in the second grade (1953-54) I was bussed to the Balch School in South Norwood (Mass). I noticed that the people there looked different. My mother said they were Syrians. Christians, I assume. I guess we’ve been importing them for quite a while.

    • Replies: @patrick
    @Foreign Expert

    The governor of Oregon in the 1980s was of Syrian descent (his family were Orthodox Christians from western Syria.) The former governor of Indiana (Mitch Daniels) is also half Syrian, with a father from a similar background. The Middle Eastern Christians (mostly Lebanese and Syrian) who came here in the first half of the 20th century weren't that numerous and assimilated too well to be a distinguishable group 100 years later.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Diversity Heretic, @snorlax, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Flip

  21. @The Only Catholic Unionist
    Passengers of the MS Saint Louis might disagree. Maybe if you added some kind of corollary about inviting only the people who aren't actually threatened (there seems to be a weird uniparty consensus that the Syrian Christians are unwelcome) ... ?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @shk12344, @Brutusale

    (there seems to be a weird uniparty consensus that the Syrian Christians are unwelcome) … ?

    ….cause according to the Great Narrative, America is no longer a white and a Christian nation. Therefore anything that favors either one of those group is strictly forbidden (racist, homophobic, Islamophobic, sexist, etc…..)

  22. @The Z Blog
    "Our team" is supposed to spend our time following Trump, but the real bellwether is Ted Cruz. He's a very smart guy and a very calculating guy. Most of the GOP candidates are dumb actors owned by billionaires. Cruz is smart and he's thinking he will be the ABT (Anybody But Trump) option for the party men as long as he remains just inside where Trump is operating.

    If Cruz is playing the old paleo card that suggests he thinks it is safe to do so while not upsetting the party men too much. It's as if the tide went out in 1992 and is just starting to come back in all these years later. No one remembers what was once called normal and they are furiously baling as the tide relentlessly comes in.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @rod1963

    Prior to Trump, I looked Cruz, didn’t like what I saw which was another Obama – a junior senator with no real track record but with the ego of the Hindenburg. Much like Rubio and Paul.

    Three stooges who have more in common with each other than they care to note.

    His vote for TPP and support of increasing H1-B’s 5x shows he’s no Paleo-con or even pro American. He’s a tool for Goldman Sachs.

    Right now all Cruz is doing copying Trump’s positions after he takes all the heat for them. It makes him look like a jackal with no real base of his own outside of the evangelicals and dominionists that his father has courted for him

    And he’s dead wrong if he thinks most Trump supporters would ever support a evangelical nut job like him. He’s a fool if he thinks Jeb and the RNC will give him the nomination. Won’t happen. That’s been promised to Jeb, not McConnell’s foot stool.

  23. @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Paul is more ideological and has been more consistent in his views. Cruz and Trump less so. Trump's views and comments have wavered significantly over the recent past.

    Replies: @Glossy

    Yes. Paul is very WYSIWYG, a sincere libertarian and anti-neocon. Trump is a wild card – is his campaign politics or entertainemnt, how many of his promises would he try to keep, does he even know that himself at this point? Cruz is somewhere inbetween.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Glossy

    Paul's sincere libertarianness is the problem with him; he's on record saying there should be no limits at all on legal immigration.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  24. @MG
    Cruz wanted to increase H-1B visas 500%. He is just another phony politician.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    That raises another question: why didn’t Zuck and FWD.us bet on Cruz instead of Rubio?

  25. Cruz comes across to me as a cynical weasel. I heard an interview with him recently, and he did the whole congenial collegue schtick about Rubio. What he said was something like: “I like Marco. He’s my friend. But he is lying about my record.”. How many normal people could say of a man who was lying about us to gain advantage, that: I like him. He is my friend.

    A normal, sane person would be offended and would dislike someone who told lies about him. A lot of these guys are just sociopaths. They have no real respect for the truth.

  26. Cruz is dangerously smart. He is a doner’s pet but knows what we want to hear.

    People in high places read our esteemed host.

  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Invade/Invite is coldly rational thinking if you’re a post national globalist. Attack any cohesive group identity relentlessly. Strong group identity provides protection and protection is for the innermost Inner Party only.

    Everybody outside of the Inner Party gets unprotection. Not protection. This treatment ranges from status marker labeling {slurs, insults, mockery} to mass murder.

    And remember the goalposts are always moving in this vicious status game.

    Someday if you only have Earth citizenship {and no other planet citizenship} then you will be considered backward, provincial, a hayseed i.e. a very dangerous person politically speaking.

  28. Steve,

    The degenerate witch Merkel gave her holiday speech (in a shiny dress!) with this background prop setup: EU flag deliberately positioned to mostly eclipse the German flag.

    These people are the most vile traitors.

  29. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Trump can’t/won’t win crowd is desperate.

    Trump will stomp Hillary. He already shut them both up this weekend on the war-on-women issue BY SIMPLY FIGHTING BACK.

    Bill is a huge liability unless you’re running against weak cucks like Bush/Romney.

    The secret to recent democrat success has been to run against spineless dickless balless cuckservatives. THOSE DAYS ARE OVER.

  30. @Foreign Expert
    Back when I was in the second grade (1953-54) I was bussed to the Balch School in South Norwood (Mass). I noticed that the people there looked different. My mother said they were Syrians. Christians, I assume. I guess we've been importing them for quite a while.

    Replies: @patrick

    The governor of Oregon in the 1980s was of Syrian descent (his family were Orthodox Christians from western Syria.) The former governor of Indiana (Mitch Daniels) is also half Syrian, with a father from a similar background. The Middle Eastern Christians (mostly Lebanese and Syrian) who came here in the first half of the 20th century weren’t that numerous and assimilated too well to be a distinguishable group 100 years later.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @patrick

    Weren't there a couple of Arab senators from the Dakotas in the Seventies? Abourzek (sp?) and maybe another guy?

    Replies: @Brutusale, @FLgeezer

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @patrick

    I suspect that this is also true of Assyrians (quite different from Syrians). The dramatic curtailing of immigration between 1925 and 1965 enabled a lot of assimilation that is no longer possible today.

    , @snorlax
    @patrick

    Christian Arabs are bizarro Jews. Like Jews, they've assimilated well but remain clannish, and they're overrepresented (even more than Jews, in fact) in much the same fields - politics, entertainment, Wall Street and medicine (another iSteve commenter pointed out that the single most overrepresented ethnicity amongst surgeons is Copts, from Egypt).

    The bizarro factor is that unlike Jews they vote Republican and are anti-Israel.*

    It seems as though religious minorities surrounded by hostile majorities lend themselves to the same kinds of r/K selection and cultural pressures.

    *A couple years back some Christian Arab confab invited Ted Cruz to give their keynote speech, and he walked out after the audience booed him when he praised Israel.

    Replies: @Glaivester, @Bill

    , @yaqub the mad scientist
    @patrick

    There are a number of towns in the South were members of the Malouf clan owns a chunk of the business- that East Mediterranean hawker/haggler thing.

    , @Flip
    @patrick

    The mayor of St. Louis is Lebanese Christian.

  31. @Glossy
    @Anonymous

    Yes. Paul is very WYSIWYG, a sincere libertarian and anti-neocon. Trump is a wild card - is his campaign politics or entertainemnt, how many of his promises would he try to keep, does he even know that himself at this point? Cruz is somewhere inbetween.

    Replies: @snorlax

    Paul’s sincere libertarianness is the problem with him; he’s on record saying there should be no limits at all on legal immigration.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @snorlax


    Paul’s sincere libertarianness is the problem with him; he’s on record saying there should be no limits at all on legal immigration.
     
    Not even libertarian limits, like the public charge statutes?

    Replies: @Paulestinain, @snorlax

  32. @patrick
    @Foreign Expert

    The governor of Oregon in the 1980s was of Syrian descent (his family were Orthodox Christians from western Syria.) The former governor of Indiana (Mitch Daniels) is also half Syrian, with a father from a similar background. The Middle Eastern Christians (mostly Lebanese and Syrian) who came here in the first half of the 20th century weren't that numerous and assimilated too well to be a distinguishable group 100 years later.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Diversity Heretic, @snorlax, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Flip

    Weren’t there a couple of Arab senators from the Dakotas in the Seventies? Abourzek (sp?) and maybe another guy?

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Steve Sailer

    James Abourezk and James Abdnor. Both Lebanese Christians, and both Senators from SD.

    , @FLgeezer
    @Steve Sailer

    James Abourezk...a very good senator from SD. He was an excellent democrat back in the day when a "patriotic democrat" was not an oxymoron:

    http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=A000017

  33. thuggery there, huggery here.

  34. @Winthorp
    I know invade/invite gets a bad rap around here, but all I'm saying is that if we toppled what's left of the regime in Caracas and transplanted its famed lumpen proletariat to Baltimore, we could end the latter's scourge of black-on-black violence by uniting the clans against a common enemy, while simultaneously making reparations to the Caracans for introducing them to leaded gasoline aka 20 year aged riot punch. Rubio is the man with the vision, and optics, to lead us to such heights.

    Replies: @TangoMan, @bomag

    all I’m saying is that if we toppled what’s left of the regime in Caracas and transplanted its famed lumpen proletariat to Baltimore, we could end the latter’s scourge of black-on-black violence by uniting the clans against a common enemy,

    Is this like fighting a gasoline fire by flooding the firezone with diesel or cooking oil?

    Your strategy only makes sense if we do a population swap but it’s insane to import a troubled population in order for them to do battle with an even more troubled population. Simply better to use our own resources – send white, anti-racist, liberals to live amongst the blacks in Baltimore.

  35. @patrick
    @Foreign Expert

    The governor of Oregon in the 1980s was of Syrian descent (his family were Orthodox Christians from western Syria.) The former governor of Indiana (Mitch Daniels) is also half Syrian, with a father from a similar background. The Middle Eastern Christians (mostly Lebanese and Syrian) who came here in the first half of the 20th century weren't that numerous and assimilated too well to be a distinguishable group 100 years later.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Diversity Heretic, @snorlax, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Flip

    I suspect that this is also true of Assyrians (quite different from Syrians). The dramatic curtailing of immigration between 1925 and 1965 enabled a lot of assimilation that is no longer possible today.

  36. @patrick
    @Foreign Expert

    The governor of Oregon in the 1980s was of Syrian descent (his family were Orthodox Christians from western Syria.) The former governor of Indiana (Mitch Daniels) is also half Syrian, with a father from a similar background. The Middle Eastern Christians (mostly Lebanese and Syrian) who came here in the first half of the 20th century weren't that numerous and assimilated too well to be a distinguishable group 100 years later.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Diversity Heretic, @snorlax, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Flip

    Christian Arabs are bizarro Jews. Like Jews, they’ve assimilated well but remain clannish, and they’re overrepresented (even more than Jews, in fact) in much the same fields – politics, entertainment, Wall Street and medicine (another iSteve commenter pointed out that the single most overrepresented ethnicity amongst surgeons is Copts, from Egypt).

    The bizarro factor is that unlike Jews they vote Republican and are anti-Israel.*

    It seems as though religious minorities surrounded by hostile majorities lend themselves to the same kinds of r/K selection and cultural pressures.

    *A couple years back some Christian Arab confab invited Ted Cruz to give their keynote speech, and he walked out after the audience booed him when he praised Israel.

    • Replies: @Glaivester
    @snorlax


    Christian Arabs are bizarro Jews.
     
    On the show Monk, Dan Hedaya (Syruian Jew) played Tony Shaloub's (Lebanese) character's father.

    Replies: @snorlax

    , @Bill
    @snorlax


    Christian Arabs are bizarro Jews.
     
    I'd say they are a normal ethnic group. They have a genetic and cultural heritage they value. They like themselves and one another. They have a basic grasp of who are their friends, who are their enemies, and who are neutrals. They are interested in pursuing the interests of themselves, their kin, and their heritage.

    The screwed up people are northern europeans, including Americans. That Christian Arabs seem weird to Americans is a testament to how messed up we Americans are.
  37. That is basically why I didn’t vote for “Rubeo” when he ran for Senate in 2010. Not that the alternatives were much better.

  38. Ted Cruz is more culturally flyover country American than Marco Rubio.

    Ted Cruz is like a Cuban version of the super WASPy Ned Flanders. Because of this he would not be considered culturally Hispanic enough for most Hispanic voters.

    Ted Cruz polls quite poorly among Hispanic voters. He is too culturally Whitebread Gringo for them. He is not as authentically Hispanic as a Cheech Marin.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jefferson


    Ted Cruz is more culturally flyover country American than Marco Rubio
     
    Calgary. That's only flyover if your West Coast is Alaska.

    Ted Cruz is like a Cuban version of the super WASPy Ned Flanders.
     
    Ted is Edward, but Ned is Nedward.

    He is not as authentically Hispanic as a Cheech Marin…
     
    …who made a popular success out of another unlikely Calgarian, Tommy Chong. Ted, call Cheech now!
  39. @patrick
    @Foreign Expert

    The governor of Oregon in the 1980s was of Syrian descent (his family were Orthodox Christians from western Syria.) The former governor of Indiana (Mitch Daniels) is also half Syrian, with a father from a similar background. The Middle Eastern Christians (mostly Lebanese and Syrian) who came here in the first half of the 20th century weren't that numerous and assimilated too well to be a distinguishable group 100 years later.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Diversity Heretic, @snorlax, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Flip

    There are a number of towns in the South were members of the Malouf clan owns a chunk of the business- that East Mediterranean hawker/haggler thing.

  40. @patrick
    @Foreign Expert

    The governor of Oregon in the 1980s was of Syrian descent (his family were Orthodox Christians from western Syria.) The former governor of Indiana (Mitch Daniels) is also half Syrian, with a father from a similar background. The Middle Eastern Christians (mostly Lebanese and Syrian) who came here in the first half of the 20th century weren't that numerous and assimilated too well to be a distinguishable group 100 years later.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Diversity Heretic, @snorlax, @yaqub the mad scientist, @Flip

    The mayor of St. Louis is Lebanese Christian.

  41. @snorlax
    @patrick

    Christian Arabs are bizarro Jews. Like Jews, they've assimilated well but remain clannish, and they're overrepresented (even more than Jews, in fact) in much the same fields - politics, entertainment, Wall Street and medicine (another iSteve commenter pointed out that the single most overrepresented ethnicity amongst surgeons is Copts, from Egypt).

    The bizarro factor is that unlike Jews they vote Republican and are anti-Israel.*

    It seems as though religious minorities surrounded by hostile majorities lend themselves to the same kinds of r/K selection and cultural pressures.

    *A couple years back some Christian Arab confab invited Ted Cruz to give their keynote speech, and he walked out after the audience booed him when he praised Israel.

    Replies: @Glaivester, @Bill

    Christian Arabs are bizarro Jews.

    On the show Monk, Dan Hedaya (Syruian Jew) played Tony Shaloub’s (Lebanese) character’s father.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Glaivester

    F. Murray Abraham (Salieri in Amadeus, Dar Adal on Homeland) is probably the person I've been most surprised to learn is not Jewish; he's a Syrian Christian.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  42. @Winthorp
    I know invade/invite gets a bad rap around here, but all I'm saying is that if we toppled what's left of the regime in Caracas and transplanted its famed lumpen proletariat to Baltimore, we could end the latter's scourge of black-on-black violence by uniting the clans against a common enemy, while simultaneously making reparations to the Caracans for introducing them to leaded gasoline aka 20 year aged riot punch. Rubio is the man with the vision, and optics, to lead us to such heights.

    Replies: @TangoMan, @bomag

    Well, on paper it might look like a good idea to import Chinese Needle Snakes to handle the Bolivian Tree Lizards, but these multi bank shot scenarios almost never work out as planned.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @bomag


    Well, on paper it might look like a good idea to import Chinese Needle Snakes to handle the Bolivian Tree Lizards…
     
    Wow. I had no idea the NBA Development League had expanded that far.
  43. So Christians from south of the border are problematic, but Christians from the Middle East (arguably more intelligent, ambitious and, perhaps, ruthless) aren’t? And I’m guessing these Christians aren’t capable of chauvinism towards the larger society, am I right?

    You guys probably still believe in the Asian model minority myth.

    By all means, let in more Carlos Slims.

    I don’t think there is quite enough Medicare or other sorts of fraud, let’s bring in some more educated, intelligent, hard-working sorts.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @anowow

    "So Christians from south of the border are problematic, but Christians from the Middle East (arguably more intelligent, ambitious and, perhaps, ruthless) aren’t? And I’m guessing these Christians aren’t capable of chauvinism towards the larger society, am I right?

    You guys probably still believe in the Asian model minority myth.

    By all means, let in more Carlos Slims.

    I don’t think there is quite enough Medicare or other sorts of fraud, let’s bring in some more educated, intelligent, hard-working sorts."

    In Brazil, Christian Arabs are vastly overrepresented among the country's most corrupt politicians and white collar criminals in general when compared to their share of the general Brazilian population.

    Which is not surprising because these people descend from one of the most corrupt regions in the world which is the Middle East. So they bring their corrupt Arab Semite values to Latin America. Just like Carlos Slim has done in Mexico. Carlos Slim is extremely corrupt. Arabs are way worse than WASPs when they get into positions of power.

  44. @The Only Catholic Unionist
    Passengers of the MS Saint Louis might disagree. Maybe if you added some kind of corollary about inviting only the people who aren't actually threatened (there seems to be a weird uniparty consensus that the Syrian Christians are unwelcome) ... ?

    Replies: @Wilkey, @shk12344, @Brutusale

    The passengers of the MS St. Louis should have AGREED to go to the DR after Cuba rejected them. I reject any and all efforts to make this look like it was America’s fault.

  45. @Steve Sailer
    @patrick

    Weren't there a couple of Arab senators from the Dakotas in the Seventies? Abourzek (sp?) and maybe another guy?

    Replies: @Brutusale, @FLgeezer

    James Abourezk and James Abdnor. Both Lebanese Christians, and both Senators from SD.

  46. @snorlax
    @patrick

    Christian Arabs are bizarro Jews. Like Jews, they've assimilated well but remain clannish, and they're overrepresented (even more than Jews, in fact) in much the same fields - politics, entertainment, Wall Street and medicine (another iSteve commenter pointed out that the single most overrepresented ethnicity amongst surgeons is Copts, from Egypt).

    The bizarro factor is that unlike Jews they vote Republican and are anti-Israel.*

    It seems as though religious minorities surrounded by hostile majorities lend themselves to the same kinds of r/K selection and cultural pressures.

    *A couple years back some Christian Arab confab invited Ted Cruz to give their keynote speech, and he walked out after the audience booed him when he praised Israel.

    Replies: @Glaivester, @Bill

    Christian Arabs are bizarro Jews.

    I’d say they are a normal ethnic group. They have a genetic and cultural heritage they value. They like themselves and one another. They have a basic grasp of who are their friends, who are their enemies, and who are neutrals. They are interested in pursuing the interests of themselves, their kin, and their heritage.

    The screwed up people are northern europeans, including Americans. That Christian Arabs seem weird to Americans is a testament to how messed up we Americans are.

  47. None of the non-Trumps can beat Hillary, but whoever gets the nomination should flood the airwaves with the “Sick and Tired” video and meme:

    That voice! that face! verily I say unto you that the dead will rise up to cast their votes against her. For bonus points, make it appear to be a pro-Clinton add;

    “I’m Hillary Clinton, and I’m Sick and Tired!”

  48. @Glaivester
    @snorlax


    Christian Arabs are bizarro Jews.
     
    On the show Monk, Dan Hedaya (Syruian Jew) played Tony Shaloub's (Lebanese) character's father.

    Replies: @snorlax

    F. Murray Abraham (Salieri in Amadeus, Dar Adal on Homeland) is probably the person I’ve been most surprised to learn is not Jewish; he’s a Syrian Christian.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @snorlax

    "F. Murray Abraham (Salieri in Amadeus, Dar Adal on Homeland) is probably the person I’ve been most surprised to learn is not Jewish; he’s a Syrian Christian."

    I am not surprised to find out F. Murray Abraham is Syrian. Syrians are a Semitic group, so of course they are going to look a lot closer to Jews in phenotype than to Nordic Aryan Scandinavians.

    Being surprised to find out there is phenotype overlap between Syrians and Jews is like being surprised to find out there is phenotype overlap between Bolivians and Peruvians or being surprised to find out there is phenotype overlap between Thai people and Khmers a.k.a Cambodians.

    Replies: @snorlax

  49. @SFG
    @carol

    Basically, yeah. He can't win, but he's making more space for everyone else.

    Good show, Donald.

    Replies: @MG, @Jus' Sayin'...

    I wish otherwise rational people would stop saying this. My personal observation is that whenever I publicly dare to voice my support for Trrump there are several others present who are afraid to do so in public but who later come to me in private to say they agree and respect my courage but cannot afford to be as forthright as I. BTW, I work in a state that is about as “blue” as you can get, in the state government, and in an agency that is about as chock full of PC SJWs as you can get. I’m not talking about dyed-in-the-wool paleo-conservatives here. The distaste for the policies and politicians that Trump is taking on is widespread and palpable to those with any perception.

    IMHO Trump not only can win the presidency; it appears increasingly likely that he will. His main threat now is a fifth column whose message is, “Sure Trump is the best candidate but we’d better vote for somebody like Cruz/Rubio/Bush/etc., (take your pick) to keep a Democrat from becoming president.” Actually, the best way to pave Hilary’s or any other Democrat’s to the White House is not to select Trump as the Republican candidate. And if that happens the election won’t matter all that much anyway.

    • Replies: @MG
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    The one person who will NOT be able to defeat Hillary in the general is Cruz. For that matter none of the other Republican candidates except Trump.

  50. Cruz has a new immigration ad out:

  51. @Wilkey
    @The Only Catholic Unionist

    "Passengers of the MS Saint Louis might disagree. Maybe if you added some kind of corollary about inviting only the people who aren’t actually threatened (there seems to be a weird uniparty consensus that the Syrian Christians are unwelcome) … ?"

    Oh, shut the hell up about the S.S. St Louis, for God's sake. How many Syrian and Afghan and Nigerian and Iraqi refugees has Israel taken in who aren't Jewish? Oh, none you say? Well I guess Israel didn't learn the lessons of the godforsaken S.S. St Louis, either.

    As for the Syrian Christians, I'm all in favor of rescuing them with one small objection - we should rescue them by establishing a Christian state in the Middle East for them, for the simple fact that if we allow Middle Eastern "Christians" to come to the West suddenly the Middle East will become 100% "Christian."

    These people lie. That's what they do. Figure that out, for God's sake.

    Replies: @The Only Catholic Unionist

    Waaaaaayyyyy too much club.

    My over-arcing point is that inasmuch we invite people in, we seem to have an unerring gift for letting in the wrong ones and turning away the right ones.

    IF (and I’m not sure how to make the Block Capital “IF” any bigger) we decide we want to take in any people from Syria, who ought we to invite? A sea of moon god worshippers in which jihadist fish may swim freely, or people from established Christian communities, known to priests and bishops, who already have been marked for death?

  52. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @SFG

    I wish otherwise rational people would stop saying this. My personal observation is that whenever I publicly dare to voice my support for Trrump there are several others present who are afraid to do so in public but who later come to me in private to say they agree and respect my courage but cannot afford to be as forthright as I. BTW, I work in a state that is about as "blue" as you can get, in the state government, and in an agency that is about as chock full of PC SJWs as you can get. I'm not talking about dyed-in-the-wool paleo-conservatives here. The distaste for the policies and politicians that Trump is taking on is widespread and palpable to those with any perception.

    IMHO Trump not only can win the presidency; it appears increasingly likely that he will. His main threat now is a fifth column whose message is, "Sure Trump is the best candidate but we'd better vote for somebody like Cruz/Rubio/Bush/etc., (take your pick) to keep a Democrat from becoming president." Actually, the best way to pave Hilary's or any other Democrat's to the White House is not to select Trump as the Republican candidate. And if that happens the election won't matter all that much anyway.

    Replies: @MG

    The one person who will NOT be able to defeat Hillary in the general is Cruz. For that matter none of the other Republican candidates except Trump.

  53. @Steve Sailer
    @patrick

    Weren't there a couple of Arab senators from the Dakotas in the Seventies? Abourzek (sp?) and maybe another guy?

    Replies: @Brutusale, @FLgeezer

    James Abourezk…a very good senator from SD. He was an excellent democrat back in the day when a “patriotic democrat” was not an oxymoron:

    http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=A000017

  54. The most disappointing part about being a Rand Paul supporter is to see Cruz do the campaign so much more effectively than Rand.

    Rand Paul could easily have said this as well, but I think he bought into the conventional wisdom that he had to moderate his views and appeal to millennials rather than highlighting Ron Pauls more right wing positions (Both Pauls are good on immigration).

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Paulestinian

    He is only OK. The Pauls are libertarians and that isn't good. However, they are first for the Constitution and would not use executive actions to sneak around the Congress.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/elections/races/presidential/2016-presidential-hopefuls.html

    , @Jefferson
    @Paulestinian

    "(Both Pauls are good on immigration)"

    What the hell are you talking about, Ron Paul is HORRIBLE on immigration. He has a big fat F just like Hillary Clinton.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/may-2-2011/ron-pauls-new-book-sinks-his-immigration-grade-f.html

    Ron Paul does not give a damn that America will one day become a majority Nonwhite nation, especially since he will be long dead by the time that happens in 2040.

    Ron Paul sees The Federal Reserve and the war on drugs as by far the biggest threats facing America and not the changing racial demographics.

    When Ron Paul ran for president in 2012 all he talked about was the damn federal reserve and the war on drugs and not once did he advocate putting more security at our Southern border as well limiting immigration to this country of both the legal and or illegal kind.

    The vast majority of Right Wing people do not give a damn about the federal reserve and the war on drugs, if they did than a high percentage of Steve Sailer's blogs would be about the federal reserve. I never see Right Wing websites like The Rebel, American Thinker, and American Renaissance dedicate entire videos to the subject of the federal reserve and the war on drugs.

    No wonder Ron Paul's presidency never got off the ground and he never becamevas he never became as popular as Donald Trump as he never talked about subjects that most Conservative Right Wing Americans care about. Right Wingers like Mark Levin, Mark Steyn, Steve Sailer, and Jared Taylor for example are not losing any sleep at night over the federal reserve and the supposed "unfair" treatment of Black males in the war on drugs.

  55. @Paulestinian
    The most disappointing part about being a Rand Paul supporter is to see Cruz do the campaign so much more effectively than Rand.

    Rand Paul could easily have said this as well, but I think he bought into the conventional wisdom that he had to moderate his views and appeal to millennials rather than highlighting Ron Pauls more right wing positions (Both Pauls are good on immigration).

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Jefferson

    He is only OK. The Pauls are libertarians and that isn’t good. However, they are first for the Constitution and would not use executive actions to sneak around the Congress.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/elections/races/presidential/2016-presidential-hopefuls.html

  56. From the debates, I have the impression that Cruz is basically a neocon on foreign policy, inclined toward bombing and invading random third world countries as much as the rest. I’d love to see him (and the other candidates) realize the folly of invade/invite/in hock, but I’d like more evidence.

  57. @snorlax
    @Glossy

    Paul's sincere libertarianness is the problem with him; he's on record saying there should be no limits at all on legal immigration.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Paul’s sincere libertarianness is the problem with him; he’s on record saying there should be no limits at all on legal immigration.

    Not even libertarian limits, like the public charge statutes?

    • Replies: @Paulestinain
    @Reg Cæsar

    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't know Rand's immigration policies by heart but he does have an A- from numbersUSA.

    , @snorlax
    @Reg Cæsar

    The exact quote (from last April), is as follows.


    Q: You have said that the 11 million immigrants in this country already here should have some legal status and pay taxes. You want to find some sort of legal status for them?

    PAUL: What I want to do first is secure the border. If we secure the border and we can say who is coming, who is going, and only people come, come legally, the 11 million that are here, I think there could be a work status for them. And I think what I have tried to say is, what we want is more legal immigration, so we have less illegal immigration. But I am open to immigration reform. I voted against the bill that came forward, though, primarily because it limited the number of legal work visas.
     
  58. @snorlax
    @Glaivester

    F. Murray Abraham (Salieri in Amadeus, Dar Adal on Homeland) is probably the person I've been most surprised to learn is not Jewish; he's a Syrian Christian.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “F. Murray Abraham (Salieri in Amadeus, Dar Adal on Homeland) is probably the person I’ve been most surprised to learn is not Jewish; he’s a Syrian Christian.”

    I am not surprised to find out F. Murray Abraham is Syrian. Syrians are a Semitic group, so of course they are going to look a lot closer to Jews in phenotype than to Nordic Aryan Scandinavians.

    Being surprised to find out there is phenotype overlap between Syrians and Jews is like being surprised to find out there is phenotype overlap between Bolivians and Peruvians or being surprised to find out there is phenotype overlap between Thai people and Khmers a.k.a Cambodians.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Jefferson

    I said I was surprised he's not Jewish (name, phenotype, typecast as Jewish characters), not that I was surprised he is Syrian. Big diff.

  59. @anowow
    So Christians from south of the border are problematic, but Christians from the Middle East (arguably more intelligent, ambitious and, perhaps, ruthless) aren't? And I'm guessing these Christians aren't capable of chauvinism towards the larger society, am I right?

    You guys probably still believe in the Asian model minority myth.

    By all means, let in more Carlos Slims.

    I don't think there is quite enough Medicare or other sorts of fraud, let's bring in some more educated, intelligent, hard-working sorts.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “So Christians from south of the border are problematic, but Christians from the Middle East (arguably more intelligent, ambitious and, perhaps, ruthless) aren’t? And I’m guessing these Christians aren’t capable of chauvinism towards the larger society, am I right?

    You guys probably still believe in the Asian model minority myth.

    By all means, let in more Carlos Slims.

    I don’t think there is quite enough Medicare or other sorts of fraud, let’s bring in some more educated, intelligent, hard-working sorts.”

    In Brazil, Christian Arabs are vastly overrepresented among the country’s most corrupt politicians and white collar criminals in general when compared to their share of the general Brazilian population.

    Which is not surprising because these people descend from one of the most corrupt regions in the world which is the Middle East. So they bring their corrupt Arab Semite values to Latin America. Just like Carlos Slim has done in Mexico. Carlos Slim is extremely corrupt. Arabs are way worse than WASPs when they get into positions of power.

  60. @Reg Cæsar
    @snorlax


    Paul’s sincere libertarianness is the problem with him; he’s on record saying there should be no limits at all on legal immigration.
     
    Not even libertarian limits, like the public charge statutes?

    Replies: @Paulestinain, @snorlax

    I don’t know Rand’s immigration policies by heart but he does have an A- from numbersUSA.

  61. @bomag
    @Winthorp

    Well, on paper it might look like a good idea to import Chinese Needle Snakes to handle the Bolivian Tree Lizards, but these multi bank shot scenarios almost never work out as planned.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Well, on paper it might look like a good idea to import Chinese Needle Snakes to handle the Bolivian Tree Lizards…

    Wow. I had no idea the NBA Development League had expanded that far.

  62. @Jefferson
    Ted Cruz is more culturally flyover country American than Marco Rubio.

    Ted Cruz is like a Cuban version of the super WASPy Ned Flanders. Because of this he would not be considered culturally Hispanic enough for most Hispanic voters.

    Ted Cruz polls quite poorly among Hispanic voters. He is too culturally Whitebread Gringo for them. He is not as authentically Hispanic as a Cheech Marin.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Ted Cruz is more culturally flyover country American than Marco Rubio

    Calgary. That’s only flyover if your West Coast is Alaska.

    Ted Cruz is like a Cuban version of the super WASPy Ned Flanders.

    Ted is Edward, but Ned is Nedward.

    He is not as authentically Hispanic as a Cheech Marin…

    …who made a popular success out of another unlikely Calgarian, Tommy Chong. Ted, call Cheech now!

  63. @Paulestinian
    The most disappointing part about being a Rand Paul supporter is to see Cruz do the campaign so much more effectively than Rand.

    Rand Paul could easily have said this as well, but I think he bought into the conventional wisdom that he had to moderate his views and appeal to millennials rather than highlighting Ron Pauls more right wing positions (Both Pauls are good on immigration).

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Jefferson

    “(Both Pauls are good on immigration)”

    What the hell are you talking about, Ron Paul is HORRIBLE on immigration. He has a big fat F just like Hillary Clinton.
    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/may-2-2011/ron-pauls-new-book-sinks-his-immigration-grade-f.html

    Ron Paul does not give a damn that America will one day become a majority Nonwhite nation, especially since he will be long dead by the time that happens in 2040.

    Ron Paul sees The Federal Reserve and the war on drugs as by far the biggest threats facing America and not the changing racial demographics.

    When Ron Paul ran for president in 2012 all he talked about was the damn federal reserve and the war on drugs and not once did he advocate putting more security at our Southern border as well limiting immigration to this country of both the legal and or illegal kind.

    The vast majority of Right Wing people do not give a damn about the federal reserve and the war on drugs, if they did than a high percentage of Steve Sailer’s blogs would be about the federal reserve. I never see Right Wing websites like The Rebel, American Thinker, and American Renaissance dedicate entire videos to the subject of the federal reserve and the war on drugs.

    No wonder Ron Paul’s presidency never got off the ground and he never becamevas he never became as popular as Donald Trump as he never talked about subjects that most Conservative Right Wing Americans care about. Right Wingers like Mark Levin, Mark Steyn, Steve Sailer, and Jared Taylor for example are not losing any sleep at night over the federal reserve and the supposed “unfair” treatment of Black males in the war on drugs.

  64. @Reg Cæsar
    @snorlax


    Paul’s sincere libertarianness is the problem with him; he’s on record saying there should be no limits at all on legal immigration.
     
    Not even libertarian limits, like the public charge statutes?

    Replies: @Paulestinain, @snorlax

    The exact quote (from last April), is as follows.

    Q: You have said that the 11 million immigrants in this country already here should have some legal status and pay taxes. You want to find some sort of legal status for them?

    PAUL: What I want to do first is secure the border. If we secure the border and we can say who is coming, who is going, and only people come, come legally, the 11 million that are here, I think there could be a work status for them. And I think what I have tried to say is, what we want is more legal immigration, so we have less illegal immigration. But I am open to immigration reform. I voted against the bill that came forward, though, primarily because it limited the number of legal work visas.

  65. Libertarians like Gary Johnson and Ron Paul pander to Black Lives Matter, yet The Libertarian Party gets an even lower number of Black votes than the GOP in presidential elections. Hahahahaha, how pathetic. The number of Blacks who vote for The Libertarian Party in presidential elections is not even enough to fill every seat in the San Francisco Cow Palace arena, which only has a seating capacity of slightly less than 13 thousand people.

  66. Wanting to end the war on drugs and lock fewer people up isn’t pandering, it’s a core libertarian belief. Similarly, wanting to prevent police and prosecutors abusing their powers is a very natural libertarian position.

  67. @Jefferson
    @snorlax

    "F. Murray Abraham (Salieri in Amadeus, Dar Adal on Homeland) is probably the person I’ve been most surprised to learn is not Jewish; he’s a Syrian Christian."

    I am not surprised to find out F. Murray Abraham is Syrian. Syrians are a Semitic group, so of course they are going to look a lot closer to Jews in phenotype than to Nordic Aryan Scandinavians.

    Being surprised to find out there is phenotype overlap between Syrians and Jews is like being surprised to find out there is phenotype overlap between Bolivians and Peruvians or being surprised to find out there is phenotype overlap between Thai people and Khmers a.k.a Cambodians.

    Replies: @snorlax

    I said I was surprised he’s not Jewish (name, phenotype, typecast as Jewish characters), not that I was surprised he is Syrian. Big diff.

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