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The hit Disney kids’ movie Zootopia about a city where talking lions lie down with talking lambs came across to me as something that must have started out culturally rebellious but then got throttled by the test marketers and executives into the usual You-Go-Girl fare.

Here the creative team talks about their original vision, which is pretty great: the prey have subdued the predators with “tame collars” that shock the predators any time their predatory instincts start to kick in (much like the Ludovico Technique does to Alex in A Clockwork Orange). The hero fox, Nick Wild, discovers when a doctor temporarily removes his collar that he feels free and happy. So he comes up with the idea of a Chompers Only speakeasy / amusement park, Wild Times, where predators can get their collars illegally removed and enjoy their innate selves.

In A World Where white guys are publicly resented, incessantly, for still having much of the talent, it’s not surprising that the talented are getting tired of being the rhetorical punching bags just for being white guys. This surreptitious rebellion of the talented explains a lot about what’s going on.

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  1. Although it’s not a Pixar film, I’m betting a few of Pixar’s dudes migrated over to Disney proper to work on this. There’s a reason the guys who created Pixar have been so adamant about keeping Pixar as Pixar and not just fully incorporating into Disney.

    • Replies: @Maitreya
    Pixar's just as controlling of its filmmakers as Disney. Its films are made by consensus with the Pixar Brain Trust overriding any individual directors. The original writer-directors of Ratatouille and Brave, for instance, were both replaced by loyal company men who then significantl reworked both films. Most recently, Bob Peterson was removed from the Good Dinosaur even though he was the one who devised the original film.
  2. Another one here. 🙂

  3. People are discomfited by the implied blackness of the predators. Even though the thrust is sympathetic to them and mocks the prey’s fear as hysterical, the implication is that it’s unfortunate blacks have to wear shock collars (which obviously represent white laws and norms) and would be nice if there was a place where they could go and be their “wild” selves.
    Amazing these brilliant guys can miss the giant pile of sh-t they were approaching.

    But I still want to see the politically incorrect cut.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    So it's a movie about the joys of segregation?

    Haha...that's why the suits make the big bucks.
  4. @Dennis Dale
    People are discomfited by the implied blackness of the predators. Even though the thrust is sympathetic to them and mocks the prey's fear as hysterical, the implication is that it's unfortunate blacks have to wear shock collars (which obviously represent white laws and norms) and would be nice if there was a place where they could go and be their "wild" selves.
    Amazing these brilliant guys can miss the giant pile of sh-t they were approaching.

    But I still want to see the politically incorrect cut.

    So it’s a movie about the joys of segregation?

    Haha…that’s why the suits make the big bucks.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    No, the abandoned version is a movie about the sorrows of assimilation and integration.
  5. But I still want to see the politically incorrect cut.

    If only they could put out a “director’s cut” without the bowdlerization.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    /Corrector's/ Cut.
  6. Of course the public schools do have their equivalent of the shock collar – they’re called drugs for ADD, AHDD, etc. Take and drug the snot out of every above average white kid that are bored in school to the point they’re zombies, the same with the ones who realized public schooling is a joke and mentally checked years earlier.

    Suspension is another modern shock collar – eat a pop tart into the shape of a gun, play cowboys and Indians and you get a visit to the principal’s office and interrogated by a cop, then suspended. Oh yeah the kids parents(if they are white) get chewed on too. If they complain, the PoPo kicks them around.

    The corporate world has it’s own ‘shock collar’ – it’s called being fired. And thanks to the internet you better not let your identity become known so your boss can monitor what you write on your blog or facebook.

    It doesn’t help when management has surveillance cameras installed all over the workplace and have RFID’s in the employee ID cards so they can be tracked.

    Bet it gets better!! Say you get involved in some heated public debate, say on trannies using girls bathrooms. God help you if the Left finds out where you work and starts calling your boss and HR – you’re dead meat.

    It ‘s a wonderful Orwellian system, it’s no wonder people drop off the grid rather than put up with that soul killing garbage we call society.

    When this system blows and it will, it’s going to be bloody given all the pent up anger out there.

  7. @whorefinder
    Although it's not a Pixar film, I'm betting a few of Pixar's dudes migrated over to Disney proper to work on this. There's a reason the guys who created Pixar have been so adamant about keeping Pixar as Pixar and not just fully incorporating into Disney.

    Pixar’s just as controlling of its filmmakers as Disney. Its films are made by consensus with the Pixar Brain Trust overriding any individual directors. The original writer-directors of Ratatouille and Brave, for instance, were both replaced by loyal company men who then significantl reworked both films. Most recently, Bob Peterson was removed from the Good Dinosaur even though he was the one who devised the original film.

  8. Anybody else see this headline/article?

    Obama Given Rapturous Welcome in Canada’s House of Commons

    I don’t know which is more pathetic–the headline or the Canadian government…

  9. @Harry Baldwin
    But I still want to see the politically incorrect cut.

    If only they could put out a "director's cut" without the bowdlerization.

    /Corrector’s/ Cut.

  10. @Polynikes
    So it's a movie about the joys of segregation?

    Haha...that's why the suits make the big bucks.

    No, the abandoned version is a movie about the sorrows of assimilation and integration.

  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Dear Steve,

    “the usual You-Go-Girl fare”
    I smiled at this because I had made a home movie with my daughter at age 2 that she could be a big man in the NBA like Shaquille O’Neal. I am white and 5’6″, and my wife is French a bit smaller than me.

    Also I agree that Zootopia as released is bland compared to what could have been. But with the main theme being false flag terrorism, I thought that was ground breaking for Disney.

    IK

    • Replies: @tbraton
    "I smiled at this because I had made a home movie with my daughter at age 2 that she could be a big man in the NBA like Shaquille O’Neal. I am white and 5’6″, and my wife is French a bit smaller than me."

    Well, as I recall, Wilt Chamberlain's parents were on the smallish side, and they produced a 7'1" physical marvel, who was one of the greatest players to play in the NBA, once scoring 100 points in an NBA game. I understand that, when he was a child, his parents encouraged him by saying he could be a big man in the NBA, like George Mikan. In fact, Chamberlain wound up playing for the Lakers (LA version).
  12. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Of mild interest regarding A Clockwork Orange, from Wikipedia:

    “The soundtrack to A Clockwork Orange features mostly classical music selections and Moog synthesizer compositions by Wendy Carlos (then known as Walter Carlos). The artwork of the now-iconic poster of A Clockwork Orange was created by Philip Castle with the layout by designer Bill Gold.”

    It looks like Wendy transitioned quite awhile ago.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Walter did some groundbreaking work. His Switched-on Bach, Clockwork Orange and Sonic Seasonings albums were brilliant. Interestingly his oeuvre pretty much died out after the gender transition. Could it have been the hormonal changes, or it was just coincidence that he made the change as was getting older and would have been fading anyway? I know that historically men have been generally more productive in music and other arts, but you wouldn't think that the machinery of a creative mind would be all that affected by hormonal changes after it had been wired as an adult.
  13. I wanna be the Harrison Bergeron: The Movie, The Game.

  14. As movie studios become nothing more than giant commercials for toys, games, videos, well that stuff won’t sell if its PC, and particularly not in China. Which is not very PC. China reputedly banned interracial marriage (but only for women) and is not very big on the Gay Thing, neighbor Singapore which is culturally quite close in attitudes made Goldman Sachs, Facebook, and Microsoft drop sponsorship of a gay pride festival and parade.

    If the point of these animated movies is to sell toys, games, lunchboxes, whatever to Chinese kids (or rather their parents) well good luck pushing gay agendas, PC inclusion, and the like.

    And I fully expect the merchandising model to expand to television as well.

    In a lot of ways stuff like Zootopia has been the function of a protected market — which for a variety of reasons is going away rapidly in favor of a defacto Chinese one with Chinese attitudes.

    TL:DR version — its all Tiger Mothers and Eagle Dads, all the way down.

  15. The “medical clinic” at the entrance to the chomper amusement park is a funny riff on medical marijuana dispensaries.

  16. Extending that idea of the rebellion among the White creators and writers and directors at various studios for being blasted … for being White.

    If the way to make money in Hollywood is changing, from nepotistic networking and backslapping for big paychecks but no real residuals and payments, to selling all those toys, games and whatnot to Chinese kids (or really their parents), there is still probably a good deal of money to be made to appeal to White families and individuals on the merchandising front. Different content of course but an untapped market. It is interesting to note that Disney’s “diverse” princesses did not do well at all; unlike Whiter-than-White “Frozen” singing princesses who brought in a billion USD in revenue a year after the movie finished its theatrical run.

    I would not be shocked to see something on Netflix or Youtube as a streaming video series where the writer/creator, a White guy, appeals to other White guys and retains the merchandising rights and makes a lot of money doing so. A whole lot. More than what writers/creators get currently in their deals for movies or TV. So there is an official Halloween costume, for say a Breaking Bad / Walter White type, and figurines, and t shirts, and other stuff that a more affluent White viewership will buy to express a White identity without swastikas or skinheads. But assuredly a defiant White identity. Upscale NASCAR identity markers.

    Meanwhile every place from Intel to Boeing to Hollywood is going on a diversity hire kick. Are Idris Elba and Ice Cube, newest members of the Oscar voters, going to be producing winning movies or TV shows to sell merchandise in China or the US? Talent is not evenly distributed.

    • Replies: @peterike

    It is interesting to note that Disney’s “diverse” princesses did not do well at all; unlike Whiter-than-White “Frozen” singing princesses who brought in a billion USD in revenue a year after the movie finished its theatrical run.

     

    Little anecdote here. Was just in Disneyland and caught the "Frozen" stage show. Nice little bit of stage craft, but the love interest guy -- white in the film -- was played by a black on stage (a very gay seeming black with zero black accent). The two princesses were still very white. But Disney does like to sneak it in.

    Also, Disneyland is awash in Hispanics (probably about 50% by my looking around guess), and there are lots of little brown girls walking around in Frozen princess costumes. But I suppose Mestizos are quite used to watching whites on television since most of the Telenovella stars are whites too.

    The whole "Frozen" phenomenon is interesting, with it's extremely Alpine/Germanic/Nordic visual aesthetic underlying the usual "tough grrrllllll" messaging.
  17. @Anonymous
    Of mild interest regarding A Clockwork Orange, from Wikipedia:

    "The soundtrack to A Clockwork Orange features mostly classical music selections and Moog synthesizer compositions by Wendy Carlos (then known as Walter Carlos). The artwork of the now-iconic poster of A Clockwork Orange was created by Philip Castle with the layout by designer Bill Gold."

    It looks like Wendy transitioned quite awhile ago.

    Walter did some groundbreaking work. His Switched-on Bach, Clockwork Orange and Sonic Seasonings albums were brilliant. Interestingly his oeuvre pretty much died out after the gender transition. Could it have been the hormonal changes, or it was just coincidence that he made the change as was getting older and would have been fading anyway? I know that historically men have been generally more productive in music and other arts, but you wouldn’t think that the machinery of a creative mind would be all that affected by hormonal changes after it had been wired as an adult.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    Alfa, you've got a great idea here for a 21st-century update of Mann's "Doctor Faustus."
    , @MEH 0910
    I thought Wendy continued to do good work with the Tron soundtrack, Digital Moonscapes, and Beauty in the Beast. It's in later work like Tales of Heaven & Hell that I finally see slippage.
  18. At one time, I worked for an engineer who was quite good at clean sheet of paper analog design, he was very smart. Then, his parents both died within about a three month period of time, and he got a certain brand of fundamentalist religion. He would go off on how there would be no death on earth, the lion and the lamb would be friends, kids could play with lions, etc, ad nauseum, in the 1000 year reign of You Know Who after the great comeback.

    I sat down with him and asked some practical questions, like how lions could live as vegetarians, what would happen with overpopulation, etc, and he just got upset. Yet, he continued to do good engineering work.

    It was as if a pocket of irrationality had grown in what was otherwise a rational brain.

  19. The video shows Zootopia’s creators practicing goodthink.

    Pathetic.

  20. WGG says:

    Lately brown and black activists have started openly saying that we must “end whiteness”. Do they mean to kill whites? Obviously that is far too difficult. But interestingly, they do not actually seek to sterilize them, either, or even commit Japanese cradle death. Extreme leftwing activists are encouraging whites to have non-white children.

    It is just one more wealth redistribution plan, only it has nothing to do with economics. The wealth is in the genetic material, according to those who wish to appropriate it, if you read between the lines.

    For all their talk about the inherent evil of white genes, they sure are anxious to slip some on for size.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Lately brown and black activists have started openly saying that we must “end whiteness”. Do they mean to kill whites?
     
    No. They're just parroting stuff from "Whiteness Studies." Whiteness is not an essence, it's something that was constructed as an instrument of social oppression against People of Color, etc.

    Of course, what they fail to mention is that "Blackness" and "Brownness" are also social constructs that came into being in opposition to "Whiteness." Hence, I'm not quite sure what they think will happen to their precious identities once "Whiteness" is obliterated.
  21. “The hit Disney kids’ movie Zootopia about a city where talking lions lie down with talking lambs . . .”

    That reminds me of the old joke, so old I forget the context. A fellow was bragging to another about the new society that had been created, where the lions lie down with the lambs. That caught the attention of the skeptical listener, and he responded, “so the lions are lying down the lambs? How’s that working out?” Perfectly, replied the first guy, “except, every now and then, we have to replace the lamb.”

  22. @Anonymous
    Dear Steve,

    "the usual You-Go-Girl fare"
    I smiled at this because I had made a home movie with my daughter at age 2 that she could be a big man in the NBA like Shaquille O'Neal. I am white and 5'6", and my wife is French a bit smaller than me.

    Also I agree that Zootopia as released is bland compared to what could have been. But with the main theme being false flag terrorism, I thought that was ground breaking for Disney.

    IK

    “I smiled at this because I had made a home movie with my daughter at age 2 that she could be a big man in the NBA like Shaquille O’Neal. I am white and 5’6″, and my wife is French a bit smaller than me.”

    Well, as I recall, Wilt Chamberlain’s parents were on the smallish side, and they produced a 7’1″ physical marvel, who was one of the greatest players to play in the NBA, once scoring 100 points in an NBA game. I understand that, when he was a child, his parents encouraged him by saying he could be a big man in the NBA, like George Mikan. In fact, Chamberlain wound up playing for the Lakers (LA version).

  23. Zootopia has a more obvious subtext as the first main stream movie for the ‘furries’, who’ve now moved beyond being mere objects of internet derision. Anthropomorphic fetishism has yet to have its day as an Accepted Thing but who knows, maybe Hillary will be the first president to have a furry adviser? Like transgender it seems to be a condition of the computer-bound.

    • Replies: @SFG
    It's just an animal story. Every culture has them, particularly for kids.
    , @Neuday

    maybe Hillary will be the first president to have a furry adviser?
     
    Being a Fabian, Hillary is starting off with a swarthy adviser. Furry is for the 2nd term.
  24. I see Disney is in trouble for creating a fat Polynesian character:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36660660

    However, from a HBD perspective it isn’t the fatness of male Polynesian lead that’s unrealistic, but the thinness of the female lead. You don’t see too many model-thin Polynesian birds these days.

    • Replies: @Thursday
    You don’t see too many model-thin Polynesian birds these days.

    Does Malia Jones count? I suppose she's too much of a mutt, but in her heydey she was splendiferous.
    , @Alec Leamas
    The people complaining have a few fatal flaws in their analysis. One is that in many Polynesian cultures, being obese is a sign of prosperity and associated with joviality. The other is that the fit Polynesians they're citing are all mixed race and =<50% Polynesian.

    Having been to Hawaii on several occasions it seems that extreme obesity is the rule rather than the exception for Polynesians there. It's probably hidden in the overall state-by-state statistics by lots of slightly built Asians.
  25. @unpc downunder
    I see Disney is in trouble for creating a fat Polynesian character:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36660660

    However, from a HBD perspective it isn't the fatness of male Polynesian lead that's unrealistic, but the thinness of the female lead. You don't see too many model-thin Polynesian birds these days.

    You don’t see too many model-thin Polynesian birds these days.

    Does Malia Jones count? I suppose she’s too much of a mutt, but in her heydey she was splendiferous.

  26. @frizzled
    Zootopia has a more obvious subtext as the first main stream movie for the 'furries', who've now moved beyond being mere objects of internet derision. Anthropomorphic fetishism has yet to have its day as an Accepted Thing but who knows, maybe Hillary will be the first president to have a furry adviser? Like transgender it seems to be a condition of the computer-bound.

    It’s just an animal story. Every culture has them, particularly for kids.

  27. @Alfa158
    Walter did some groundbreaking work. His Switched-on Bach, Clockwork Orange and Sonic Seasonings albums were brilliant. Interestingly his oeuvre pretty much died out after the gender transition. Could it have been the hormonal changes, or it was just coincidence that he made the change as was getting older and would have been fading anyway? I know that historically men have been generally more productive in music and other arts, but you wouldn't think that the machinery of a creative mind would be all that affected by hormonal changes after it had been wired as an adult.

    Alfa, you’ve got a great idea here for a 21st-century update of Mann’s “Doctor Faustus.”

  28. Golly! We’re all alike under the skin! We all want the same things!

    Why can’t we all just get along?

  29. @Alfa158
    Walter did some groundbreaking work. His Switched-on Bach, Clockwork Orange and Sonic Seasonings albums were brilliant. Interestingly his oeuvre pretty much died out after the gender transition. Could it have been the hormonal changes, or it was just coincidence that he made the change as was getting older and would have been fading anyway? I know that historically men have been generally more productive in music and other arts, but you wouldn't think that the machinery of a creative mind would be all that affected by hormonal changes after it had been wired as an adult.

    I thought Wendy continued to do good work with the Tron soundtrack, Digital Moonscapes, and Beauty in the Beast. It’s in later work like Tales of Heaven & Hell that I finally see slippage.

  30. People jumped on that guy in the other thread because he gave a bad example (Aslan a.k.a. Jesus), but his underlying point was correct – there is a long tradition of animal stories in which predation is ignored and animals that should hate each other get along instead, and with no explanation given or considered necessary. Winnie the Pooh seemed to subsist only on honey. (What Tigger ate is more unclear, but it certainly wasn’t the other animals.)

    The further up you go on the Sliding Scale of Anthropomorphism, the more likely this is to be the case.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism

    • Replies: @Amigo
    After trying a number of other foods, Tigger found that he liked Kanga's malt extract. Kanga gave this to Roo to strengthen him up and that's why Tigger ended up living with them.
    , @Discordiax
    Tigger subsists mostly on the Extract of Malt which Roo refuses to take.
  31. I watched the first clip above and thought is was more of a modern American version of Nu Pogodi. There is a sexual undertone between the “good” female hare (ziets) and the degenerate chain smoking male wolf (Volk). It is sort of an adult Tom and Jerry.

  32. Bee says:

    So on the one hand, you say “successful white guys” are “rhetorical punching bags”, but on the other hand, you wink-wink “complain” about there being too many Jewish billionaires who founded wildly-successful companies? Interesting.

    Of course, those same Jewish billionaires and all the other successful Jews are usually included among “white guys who are rhetorical punching bags” by the left, so I guess they get it from both sides.

    • Replies: @peterike

    Of course, those same Jewish billionaires and all the other successful Jews are usually included among “white guys who are rhetorical punching bags” by the left, so I guess they get it from both sides.

     

    You really don't get the finer aspects of how this all works.
  33. Even attempt at such heresy is encouraging. Can it be white men are getting their spines back?

  34. @James Kabala
    People jumped on that guy in the other thread because he gave a bad example (Aslan a.k.a. Jesus), but his underlying point was correct - there is a long tradition of animal stories in which predation is ignored and animals that should hate each other get along instead, and with no explanation given or considered necessary. Winnie the Pooh seemed to subsist only on honey. (What Tigger ate is more unclear, but it certainly wasn't the other animals.)

    The further up you go on the Sliding Scale of Anthropomorphism, the more likely this is to be the case.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism

    After trying a number of other foods, Tigger found that he liked Kanga’s malt extract. Kanga gave this to Roo to strengthen him up and that’s why Tigger ended up living with them.

  35. @Whiskey
    Extending that idea of the rebellion among the White creators and writers and directors at various studios for being blasted ... for being White.

    If the way to make money in Hollywood is changing, from nepotistic networking and backslapping for big paychecks but no real residuals and payments, to selling all those toys, games and whatnot to Chinese kids (or really their parents), there is still probably a good deal of money to be made to appeal to White families and individuals on the merchandising front. Different content of course but an untapped market. It is interesting to note that Disney's "diverse" princesses did not do well at all; unlike Whiter-than-White "Frozen" singing princesses who brought in a billion USD in revenue a year after the movie finished its theatrical run.

    I would not be shocked to see something on Netflix or Youtube as a streaming video series where the writer/creator, a White guy, appeals to other White guys and retains the merchandising rights and makes a lot of money doing so. A whole lot. More than what writers/creators get currently in their deals for movies or TV. So there is an official Halloween costume, for say a Breaking Bad / Walter White type, and figurines, and t shirts, and other stuff that a more affluent White viewership will buy to express a White identity without swastikas or skinheads. But assuredly a defiant White identity. Upscale NASCAR identity markers.

    Meanwhile every place from Intel to Boeing to Hollywood is going on a diversity hire kick. Are Idris Elba and Ice Cube, newest members of the Oscar voters, going to be producing winning movies or TV shows to sell merchandise in China or the US? Talent is not evenly distributed.

    It is interesting to note that Disney’s “diverse” princesses did not do well at all; unlike Whiter-than-White “Frozen” singing princesses who brought in a billion USD in revenue a year after the movie finished its theatrical run.

    Little anecdote here. Was just in Disneyland and caught the “Frozen” stage show. Nice little bit of stage craft, but the love interest guy — white in the film — was played by a black on stage (a very gay seeming black with zero black accent). The two princesses were still very white. But Disney does like to sneak it in.

    Also, Disneyland is awash in Hispanics (probably about 50% by my looking around guess), and there are lots of little brown girls walking around in Frozen princess costumes. But I suppose Mestizos are quite used to watching whites on television since most of the Telenovella stars are whites too.

    The whole “Frozen” phenomenon is interesting, with it’s extremely Alpine/Germanic/Nordic visual aesthetic underlying the usual “tough grrrllllll” messaging.

    • Replies: @IA

    But Disney does like to sneak it in.
     
    They're slapping you in the face.
  36. @WGG
    Lately brown and black activists have started openly saying that we must "end whiteness". Do they mean to kill whites? Obviously that is far too difficult. But interestingly, they do not actually seek to sterilize them, either, or even commit Japanese cradle death. Extreme leftwing activists are encouraging whites to have non-white children.

    It is just one more wealth redistribution plan, only it has nothing to do with economics. The wealth is in the genetic material, according to those who wish to appropriate it, if you read between the lines.

    For all their talk about the inherent evil of white genes, they sure are anxious to slip some on for size.

    Lately brown and black activists have started openly saying that we must “end whiteness”. Do they mean to kill whites?

    No. They’re just parroting stuff from “Whiteness Studies.” Whiteness is not an essence, it’s something that was constructed as an instrument of social oppression against People of Color, etc.

    Of course, what they fail to mention is that “Blackness” and “Brownness” are also social constructs that came into being in opposition to “Whiteness.” Hence, I’m not quite sure what they think will happen to their precious identities once “Whiteness” is obliterated.

  37. I would have loved to watch this movie

  38. @James Kabala
    People jumped on that guy in the other thread because he gave a bad example (Aslan a.k.a. Jesus), but his underlying point was correct - there is a long tradition of animal stories in which predation is ignored and animals that should hate each other get along instead, and with no explanation given or considered necessary. Winnie the Pooh seemed to subsist only on honey. (What Tigger ate is more unclear, but it certainly wasn't the other animals.)

    The further up you go on the Sliding Scale of Anthropomorphism, the more likely this is to be the case.

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism

    Tigger subsists mostly on the Extract of Malt which Roo refuses to take.

  39. @unpc downunder
    I see Disney is in trouble for creating a fat Polynesian character:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/36660660

    However, from a HBD perspective it isn't the fatness of male Polynesian lead that's unrealistic, but the thinness of the female lead. You don't see too many model-thin Polynesian birds these days.

    The people complaining have a few fatal flaws in their analysis. One is that in many Polynesian cultures, being obese is a sign of prosperity and associated with joviality. The other is that the fit Polynesians they’re citing are all mixed race and =<50% Polynesian.

    Having been to Hawaii on several occasions it seems that extreme obesity is the rule rather than the exception for Polynesians there. It's probably hidden in the overall state-by-state statistics by lots of slightly built Asians.

  40. @frizzled
    Zootopia has a more obvious subtext as the first main stream movie for the 'furries', who've now moved beyond being mere objects of internet derision. Anthropomorphic fetishism has yet to have its day as an Accepted Thing but who knows, maybe Hillary will be the first president to have a furry adviser? Like transgender it seems to be a condition of the computer-bound.

    maybe Hillary will be the first president to have a furry adviser?

    Being a Fabian, Hillary is starting off with a swarthy adviser. Furry is for the 2nd term.

  41. They also managed to slip in a Charles Murray reference. As the train is making it’s way to the wonderful future, Judy Hopps catches a glimpse of “Fishtown” out the window.

  42. …That was stifled by political correctness.

  43. @Bee
    So on the one hand, you say "successful white guys" are "rhetorical punching bags", but on the other hand, you wink-wink "complain" about there being too many Jewish billionaires who founded wildly-successful companies? Interesting.

    Of course, those same Jewish billionaires and all the other successful Jews are usually included among "white guys who are rhetorical punching bags" by the left, so I guess they get it from both sides.

    Of course, those same Jewish billionaires and all the other successful Jews are usually included among “white guys who are rhetorical punching bags” by the left, so I guess they get it from both sides.

    You really don’t get the finer aspects of how this all works.

  44. @peterike

    It is interesting to note that Disney’s “diverse” princesses did not do well at all; unlike Whiter-than-White “Frozen” singing princesses who brought in a billion USD in revenue a year after the movie finished its theatrical run.

     

    Little anecdote here. Was just in Disneyland and caught the "Frozen" stage show. Nice little bit of stage craft, but the love interest guy -- white in the film -- was played by a black on stage (a very gay seeming black with zero black accent). The two princesses were still very white. But Disney does like to sneak it in.

    Also, Disneyland is awash in Hispanics (probably about 50% by my looking around guess), and there are lots of little brown girls walking around in Frozen princess costumes. But I suppose Mestizos are quite used to watching whites on television since most of the Telenovella stars are whites too.

    The whole "Frozen" phenomenon is interesting, with it's extremely Alpine/Germanic/Nordic visual aesthetic underlying the usual "tough grrrllllll" messaging.

    But Disney does like to sneak it in.

    They’re slapping you in the face.

  45. Maybe the original movie designers had in mind a critique of modern society’s attitude towards masculinity rather than race. A lot of the Wild Times games appear to be stereotypically male activities, and Nick’s friends appear to all be males.

    We also don’t quite see the antithesis to the collars-off idea. I don’t think Disney would have let the idea of unconstrained predators having fun and getting in touch with their natural instincts go on for too long without a reminder of why the shock collars are in place.

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    Maybe the original movie designers had in mind a critique of modern society’s attitude towards masculinity rather than race.

    Right.
  46. @Boomstick
    Maybe the original movie designers had in mind a critique of modern society's attitude towards masculinity rather than race. A lot of the Wild Times games appear to be stereotypically male activities, and Nick's friends appear to all be males.

    We also don't quite see the antithesis to the collars-off idea. I don't think Disney would have let the idea of unconstrained predators having fun and getting in touch with their natural instincts go on for too long without a reminder of why the shock collars are in place.

    Maybe the original movie designers had in mind a critique of modern society’s attitude towards masculinity rather than race.

    Right.

  47. I haven’t seen the movie, but the original shock-collar version sounds less subversive than the final cut if this review is to be believed: http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/06/zootopia-persecution-and-the-art-of-screenwriting/

  48. There’s also the cocaine subtext; after government machination the predator 10% of Zootopia society becomes addicted to a drug that makes them go wild, scaring the prey 90% and reinforcing their biases, making them easier to manipulate.

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