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From Counterpunch:

OCTOBER 14, 2016
Trump, Anti-Globalism and the Anti-Semitism Slur
by JONATHAN TAYLOR

There are few tactics in contemporary politics more effective than labeling your opponent as an anti-Semite. So, as Donald Trump’s campaign continues to ramp up its radical populism, Trump’s attacks on global elites are increasingly being characterized as anti-Semitism. It’s as if every time Trump excoriates a Washington insider or international corporate power broker he really wants to say “Jew.” At least, that’s the charge by numerous members of the media, many of whom are Jewish themselves.

Just listen to Louise Mensch, ostensibly a conservative blogger for Heat St, whom Wikileaks just outed as a Hillary campaign helper: “Globalists is a racist code word for Jew because there are none. free trade between sovereign nations is not a wish to abolish the former.” By Mensch’s convoluted logic, since globalists don’t want to completely destroy national sovereignty, they aren’t really globalists. Therefore when people say globalists, they must mean Jews.

Or let’s hear from the Republican campaign strategist and “Never Trump-er” Rick Wilson: “Globalist”…why don’t you just say “Jew” and get it over with?”

Then there’s Bret Stephens from the Wall Street Journal, who demanded conservative columnist Laura Ingraham be fired for using the term “globalist cabal.” “Globalist cabal” is an anti-Semitic dog whistle of the first order. Fox News should act,” Stephens insisted.

And Louise Mensch again: “”Globalists” is, like “zionists” or “zios” the new antisemitic code word for Jews”. Distressing news no doubt to anti-Zionist Jews and critics of Israel, who are used to being spuriously accused of anti-Semitism.

I’m not sure that Louise Bagshawe LoCicero Mensch, a Catholic Englishwoman whose Yiddish last name is courtesy of her latest husband, Metallica’s manager Peter Mensch, is really the world’s leading expert on anti-Semitism or, for that matter, Semitism.

When she announced she was banning from her Twitter feed as anti-Semitic anybody who uses the word “Zionist,” a troll asked her if she would ban Theodore Herzl as anti-Semitic:

Screenshot 2016-10-15 15.20.39

And Wikileaks has Louise’s email to a Clinton campaign insider proposing a killer TV spot for Hillary:

OUR TIME

A succession of mostly young women, a few old women, one with a baby daughter, multiracial and multi-occupation, to include a nurse and a woman in uniform of some kind where permitted…

one after the other, smiling and looking to camera and saying

‘It’s our time.’

and the last woman says, ‘It’s our time. I’m with her.’

fade to banner credit ‘Hillary 2016’

—-

That would be inspirational, aspirational, and the kind of riff you really need on ‘Yes we can’.

Best,

Louise

Would Rupert Murdoch have thought Louise was smart enough to be put in charge of his new website HeatStreet if she hadn’t gotten hold of a Jewish surname in mid-career? What do Jewish women journalists think of shiksa journalists who latch onto both their men and their names?

Back to the lefty Counterpunch:

Then there’s neocon blowhard Jamie Kirchick’s response to an incoherent tweet by Paul Ryan challenger Paul Nehlen, about Ryan’s staffer Dan Senor “With globalist advisers like @DanSenor it’s no wonder @PRyan is to the left of @HillaryClinton on #TPP. “ To which Kirchick responded “Why don’t you just say “Jew?”” Senor is indeed Jewish, and is rumored to be the person who leaked the infamous Trump- Billy Bush “pussy” tape to the press. …

In his speech of October 13, 2016, Donald Trump used the term globalist repeatedly, triggering accusations of anti-Semitism from media outlets such as Mother Jones and Raw Story. The ADL’s Jonathan Greenblatt tweeted his concern, mildly stated compared to the rampant Twitter hysteria, that “Trump should avoid rhetoric&tropes” that suggest anti-Jewish themes. But despite the media pile-on, Trump has been discussing globalism in his speeches for months. As Jill Stein and to a lesser extent Bernie Sanders represent the long-standing anti-globalization movement of the left, Trump represents the anti-globalization movement of the right. And there is significant overlap between the two, as opposition to the TPP demonstrates or to provocative militarism towards Russia demonstrates. …

Trump, whose daughter Ivanka is a Jewish convert married to an Orthodox Jewish husband who is a top Trump campaign advisor, seems an unlikely Jew hater, but the mainstream Hillary-loving press has been insisting he is Hitler throughout the campaign (odd since they also accusing him of being controlled by Russia. A new Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?) As the election looms the media are busy cranking up Jewish paranoia to 11. As the unflappably cool Matthew Iglesias surmises. “My guess is that in a Trump administration angry mobs will beat and murder Jews and people of color with impunity.”

… Tactically speaking, the primary purpose of an accusation of anti-Semitism is to end debate. So if someone says “globalist is a code word for Jews”, or “blaming international banks for economic problems is anti-Semitic”, the function of this is to ensure that globalists and international banks cannot be blamed. It’s as if someone responded to the Occupy movement that “the 1%” is a codeword for Jews, so we should stop talking about wealth disparity.” The ramifications are obvious – leave the global elites out of this campaign or you’re a Jew-hating bigot and by the way here comes the ADL.

 
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  1. • Replies: @tomv
    @eah

    This woman gets invited on Fox News, but genteel Jared Taylor is beyond the pale.

    , @Olorin
    @eah

    Always happy to serve as the Shadow Puppet upon which the Louise Mensches of the world can project their domination-through-persecution fantasies that are in truth a diversion from their glaring, extreme Chosenmania.

    , @eah
    @eah

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/787091278575968257

  2. all jews i have spoken to either support trump or are ambivalent to trump. none think he is anti jewish, his daughter is orthodox . she is shomer shabbat , that makes her more jewish than 75% of american jews nowadays and they know it.

    • Replies: @Earl of Monahan
    @anon

    Yup. Jews who care about actual Judaism are solidly pro-Trump. At the Orthodox shul I go to most Saturday mornings, opinions range from passionately pro-Trump to "I would have preferred Cruz, but Trump is what we got." Nobody wants Hillary.

    Of course, Reform "Judaism," led by the irrascible traitor Rick "Jihad" Jacobs is a whole other story.

    Replies: @RonaldB

    , @Mr. Anon
    @anon

    "all jews i have spoken to either support trump or are ambivalent to trump."

    And? That means.............exactly nothing. Have you spoken with millions of people about what they think about Trump? A majority of Jews are probably going to vote for Hillary; the Democratic ticket typically gets? What? 70% of the jewish vote?

  3. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Noam Chomsky is going to vote for Hillary Clinton….because, Trump doesn’t believe Global Warming is real and therefore to quote Noam Chomsky:”Donald Trump is a threat to the Human Species!!!!!”

    Noam Chomsky

    So what’s it really about?….Your expensive Cape Cod beach front property losing property value…leaving the Chomsky Grandkids with a few million less than they would otherwise inherit?

    • Replies: @sf
    @War for Blair Mountain

    But if Hillary is so good on global warming and Trump so bad, why did the Koch brothers endorse her? Trump's immigration policies would at least lead to zero population growth in the US

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ATX Hipster

  4. Louise Mensch is a hilarious character. Her interactions with the alt-right on Twitter are something to behold. I hope she sticks around to provide more laughs.

  5. Well I for one do not think we need to marry third-world immigration restriction and eugenic policies to increase middle-class white birth rates with an unremitting hostility to global elites. For one thing, anti-elitism and crude anti-globalism is wrong on its merits.

    But even if you disagree with me on this first point, you ought to realize that beating the global elites is a fool’s errand that will end with crushing failure. Much better is to try to divide such elites. Many of them supported Romney for instance, and I think a Koch/Adelson backed campaign in 2020 by Kris Kobach could be a winner.

    Let the Koch Brothers enjoy four years of Hillary taxes, Hillary judges, and Hillary EPA appointees and we’ll see if they want to come on board the next cycle.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Lot

    >you should support globalists because they might "fix" some inconsequential non-issues

    Why not just vote Jeb then?

    , @BB753
    @Lot

    You don't get Trumpism. It's part of the elites (Trump, Thiel, etc) reaching out to the middle-classes to lead a revolt against other elites. Some rich people think it's wiser to keep the nation-state model in order to do business, while others, properly called globalists, want to do away with borders and tariffs.
    Nationalists like Trump say in essence : " Let's keep the dollar, pound, etc and national sovereignty so we can have competing markets and fair trade, because the Russians and the Chinese aren't playing the same globalist game, you suckers!".

    Replies: @Lot, @unpc downunder

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Lot

    Really? Lot, you are commenting on this particular post to defend globalists? Are you trolling?

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Lot


    "Much better is to try to divide such elites."
     
    The elites are already divided. Trump and fellow travelers are the division.

    So are you going to support the division?

    Replies: @guest

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not entirely inaccurate to say that these sorts of terms are sort of code words for Jews, although of course it’s ridiculous to call them “anti-Semitic” or “anti-Semitic slurs”. Terms like “liberal” and “elite” have been used as code words for Jews because it’s been impolitic to explicitly say “Jews”. In the postwar period, it was increasingly impolitic to refer to Jews explicitly, but there was still a large degree of casual, cultural suburban anti-Semitism, and “liberal” served as a sort of code word. In Russia, “liberal intellegentsia” has been used as a code for Jews:

    http://archive.adl.org/special_reports/ccc/print.html

    Other essays in the publication speak of the “victimization” of whites who are at the mercy of minorities and the liberal “elite,” the latter often used as a code word for Jews.

    http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/16289/russian-jews-charge-solzhenitsyn-with-altering-history/

    He also blames the “liberal intelligentsia” — often a code word for Jews — for exaggerating the extent of the pogroms.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Anonymous

    Listen, if Jewish people are unable to allow others to apply political labels to groups and policies, then maybe they should retire from the hurley-burly of civic life and leave it to the more thick-skinned? If the rest of us can't use terms like "globalist" or "international banker" then how are we supposed to engage in self-government? Maybe we should do away with democratic debate in order to calm the nerves of our Jewish communities, who have been through so much in the last few thousand years?

    Replies: @RonaldB

  7. Honestly, how much of the population really cares about anti-semitism? Even the Jews I know don’t think it’s a big deal unless its really blatant. This is nothing.

    • Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Jason Liu

    The Jew-obsession that is rampant in the alt-right I find to be tedious but not threatening. Like the ubiquitous triple parentheses, especially when put around a name like Jonah Goldberg. We all know he's of Jewish descent, you don't have to beat us over the head with it, ok?

    Meanwhile, Louise is no mensch.

    Replies: @neutral, @Mr. Anon, @RonaldB

  8. It is really shocking how many Democrat women Trump has raped and made racist remarks to or about:

    http://gotnews.com/busted-guardian-trump-accuser-is-life-long-democrat-donor-family-owns-competing-nyc-real-estate-dev-company/

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @The most deplorable one

    "It is really shocking how many Democrat women Trump has raped and made racist remarks to or about:"

    Racist remarks? Was Donald Trump raping Black chicks?

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

  9. “It’s as if someone responded to the Occupy movement that “the 1%” is a codeword for Jews, so we should stop talking about wealth disparity.” The ramifications are obvious – leave the global elites out of this campaign or you’re a Jew-hating bigot and by the way here comes the ADL.”

    Even a lot of Jews don’t like Jewish bankers because they believe they screw the little guy. The hippie Burning Man loving Portlandia White liberals who were part of Occupy Wall Street were disproportionately made up of Jews, especially since their headquarters were in New York City.

  10. If there’s ever a guy (or gal – Marine and now Frauke Petry types) running for the Trumpist party with the analytical mind, sense of elite decorum, calm-intelligent affect, and spotless scandal-armored personal life that people say they wish Trump had, you can be sure they’ll have the cunning to be approximately a thousand times more jew-aware inside than Trump is.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
    @abner

    It is an interesting thing that some of the most passionate & intelligent European nationalists tend to be woke women. The Joan of Arc syndrome.

    , @Forbes
    @abner

    If there’s ever a guy (or gal – Marine and now Frauke Petry types) running for the Trumpist party with the analytical mind, sense of elite decorum, calm-intelligent affect, and spotless scandal-armored personal life that people say they wish Trump had, you can be sure they’ll still be labeled misogynist, war-mongering, fascist Nazi racist haters....

    The times may change, but the name-calling remains the same.

  11. Anonymous [AKA "johnny menemonic"] says:
    @Lot
    Well I for one do not think we need to marry third-world immigration restriction and eugenic policies to increase middle-class white birth rates with an unremitting hostility to global elites. For one thing, anti-elitism and crude anti-globalism is wrong on its merits.

    But even if you disagree with me on this first point, you ought to realize that beating the global elites is a fool's errand that will end with crushing failure. Much better is to try to divide such elites. Many of them supported Romney for instance, and I think a Koch/Adelson backed campaign in 2020 by Kris Kobach could be a winner.

    Let the Koch Brothers enjoy four years of Hillary taxes, Hillary judges, and Hillary EPA appointees and we'll see if they want to come on board the next cycle.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BB753, @Chrisnonymous, @Almost Missouri

    >you should support globalists because they might “fix” some inconsequential non-issues

    Why not just vote Jeb then?

  12. @Jason Liu
    Honestly, how much of the population really cares about anti-semitism? Even the Jews I know don't think it's a big deal unless its really blatant. This is nothing.

    Replies: @Ripple Earthdevil

    The Jew-obsession that is rampant in the alt-right I find to be tedious but not threatening. Like the ubiquitous triple parentheses, especially when put around a name like Jonah Goldberg. We all know he’s of Jewish descent, you don’t have to beat us over the head with it, ok?

    Meanwhile, Louise is no mensch.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Ripple Earthdevil


    I find to be tedious but not threatening
     
    That is a strange thing to say in light of the fact that many European countries will jail you for saying bad things about jews. Then there is the fact that the mainstream media keeps saying just how threatening anti semitism is, if they did not find it threatening they would not treat it as such.
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    "The Jew-obsession that is rampant in the alt-right I find to be tedious but not threatening."

    The obsession that virtue-signalers have with noticing human bio-diversity on human bio-diversity websites I find to be tedious. Full stop.

    , @RonaldB
    @Ripple Earthdevil

    I completely agree with you on run-of-the-mill anti-Semitism on alt-right twitters and blogs. The worst part of it is it blinds them to those dynamics of the far left that are non-Jewish. I sometimes make fun of their obsession with Jews.

    However, there is a significant, though not large, component of alt-right hangers-on that are self-identified Nazis: that is, they openly advocate the killing of Jews. I'm not so tolerant of those. I think you can be too inclusive: anti-Semites, ok; would-be murderers, no.

  13. Jews goy-bait, goys stumped because that isn’t a word, and Jews aren’t about to let it become one, news at 11.

  14. @Lot
    Well I for one do not think we need to marry third-world immigration restriction and eugenic policies to increase middle-class white birth rates with an unremitting hostility to global elites. For one thing, anti-elitism and crude anti-globalism is wrong on its merits.

    But even if you disagree with me on this first point, you ought to realize that beating the global elites is a fool's errand that will end with crushing failure. Much better is to try to divide such elites. Many of them supported Romney for instance, and I think a Koch/Adelson backed campaign in 2020 by Kris Kobach could be a winner.

    Let the Koch Brothers enjoy four years of Hillary taxes, Hillary judges, and Hillary EPA appointees and we'll see if they want to come on board the next cycle.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BB753, @Chrisnonymous, @Almost Missouri

    You don’t get Trumpism. It’s part of the elites (Trump, Thiel, etc) reaching out to the middle-classes to lead a revolt against other elites. Some rich people think it’s wiser to keep the nation-state model in order to do business, while others, properly called globalists, want to do away with borders and tariffs.
    Nationalists like Trump say in essence : ” Let’s keep the dollar, pound, etc and national sovereignty so we can have competing markets and fair trade, because the Russians and the Chinese aren’t playing the same globalist game, you suckers!”.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @BB753


    It’s part of the elites (Trump, Thiel, etc) reaching out to the middle-classes to lead a revolt against other elites.
     
    A really, really small fraction of the elites. Too small to win unfortunately. I think I recently read that not a single Fortune 500 CEO has donated to Trump.

    Some rich people think it’s wiser to keep the nation-state model in order to do business, while others, properly called globalists, want to do away with borders and tariffs.
     
    Sure, but stopping third world immigration is about 1000 times more important than getting rid of NAFTA/GATT. Some Middle American elites may be open to immigration restriction but not tariffs, and I want them on board.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @BB753

    , @unpc downunder
    @BB753

    Do we have to use the politically correct bromide "fair trade" when criticising the unworkable globalist policy known as free trade. The only way free trade can truly exist is if we had a global government that forced all the world's national governments to remove all formal and informal trade barriers. From a nationalist perspective this is neither practical or desirable.

    If you're uncomfortable with the term protectionism, then use managed trade instead, but leave the wishy-washy leftist term fair trade for the Bernie brigade.

    Replies: @BB753, @RonaldB

  15. Louise has a pretty ritzy upper-class gentry background, her grandfather did this, his grandfather was noted for that.

    Her sister Tilly Bagshawe also seems to have married a Jew, Robin Nydes, a former investment banker and current semi-retired hedge fund manager.

    It took me a while to Jew-detect Mr. Nydes. It is a very rare last name, either Danish or Polish from what I can tell. The only other man I could find who has that surname was a fairly famous American psychologist named Jule Nydes who died in 1973 and was married a English-American gentile hippie who had a very long retirement dabbling in touch theory and Indian mysticism in Santa Fe.

    Tilly got pregnant at age 17 and named her daughter Persephone (hope you recognize that name from Greek mythology), went to Cambridge as a single mother, and is a best-selling novelist, starting from her first one. She married Nydes when she was 28 and has had two boys with him, with the more normal names of Zac and Theo, rather than perhaps her initial inclination of Hades and Minotaur.

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Lot

    Wow -- who is that on the left? She is hideous.

    , @bored identity
    @Lot

    Stop vanity-fairing nonabee creatures....

    Plus, you 're waisting Ron's bandwith juice that could be used for some decent Saileristic image-content.

  16. That stupid Mensch woman was a MP for the Conservatives in Britain…probably tells you all you need to know about Cameron’s “modernization” of the party.
    Depressing that someone dumb/uneducated enough to have never heard of Theodore Herzl can get a well-paid career in politics and journalism.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @German_reader

    She looks like an 11th -grader, for Christ's sake. Seems to have the mentality of one, too.

    Replies: @5371

    , @g2k
    @German_reader

    She was a reasonably respected author of "chick-lit" before she got her seat. Have no time to read such things, so I have no idea whether it's any good or not, probably not. Obviously at the time she ticked all of the right boxes. Archetypal wandering, mid-atlantic anglo politically; metro-liberal, economically right of centre, rabidly russophobic, increasingly neocon, hardcore altalticist. She has quite stilted speech and can't really think on her feet, this might amuse you if you haven't seen it before:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3252FSW7OC4

  17. @The most deplorable one
    It is really shocking how many Democrat women Trump has raped and made racist remarks to or about:

    http://gotnews.com/busted-guardian-trump-accuser-is-life-long-democrat-donor-family-owns-competing-nyc-real-estate-dev-company/

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “It is really shocking how many Democrat women Trump has raped and made racist remarks to or about:”

    Racist remarks? Was Donald Trump raping Black chicks?

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Jefferson

    I am sure we will soon find out that he made them dress up as Aunt Thomasina.

  18. I tried to tell Louise Mensch on Twitter not conflate globalism and Judaism but apparently she didn’t listen. It really is idiotic to make such an assumption. Pop globalism, internationalism and world federalism has been pumped out at us from the metropole since the days of H.G. Wells. Afer WW2, it went from the margins to the mainstream and popped up in forms as varied as Coca-Cola ads, rides at Disneyland and episodes of the original Star Trek. It’s been celebrated and advocated by almost any big corporation you can name. In short, it’s not a Jewish thing, even if they have a particular affinity for it.

    Trump is right that globalism has had its day, that its done enormous damage and that those continuing to advocate it are using the media to combat his reform agenda. This is how it works when one governing consensus is challenged by another. No need to reference the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion on this.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Cagey Beast

    They don't want to sever Judaism from globalism (except in Israel). It's too useful. If you can unite them in the public's mind then every anti-globalist is Literal Hitler. All calls for borders and trade restrictions is a call for gas chambers.

    Makes their jobs easier.

    , @ben tillman
    @Cagey Beast


    I tried to tell Louise Mensch on Twitter not conflate globalism and Judaism but apparently she didn’t listen. It really is idiotic to make such an assumption.
     
    It's not an assumption (or presumption) or conflation. She believes globalism is a Jewish project, and she gets to the presumption conceptually later -- namely, the presumption that non-Jews think the same thing, which is mostly false.
  19. “If you think there is anything to Trump’s comments about globalizing multinationals taking away national sovereignty then blame the Jews.”

    This is no less anti-Semitic than the similarly dog-whistled claims by defenders of the Muslim inundation that Muslims weren’t subjecting citizens of Europe to anything that the Jews didn’t in the 1930s and 40s.

  20. @Anonymous
    It's not entirely inaccurate to say that these sorts of terms are sort of code words for Jews, although of course it's ridiculous to call them "anti-Semitic" or "anti-Semitic slurs". Terms like "liberal" and "elite" have been used as code words for Jews because it's been impolitic to explicitly say "Jews". In the postwar period, it was increasingly impolitic to refer to Jews explicitly, but there was still a large degree of casual, cultural suburban anti-Semitism, and "liberal" served as a sort of code word. In Russia, "liberal intellegentsia" has been used as a code for Jews:

    http://archive.adl.org/special_reports/ccc/print.html

    Other essays in the publication speak of the "victimization" of whites who are at the mercy of minorities and the liberal "elite," the latter often used as a code word for Jews.
     
    http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/16289/russian-jews-charge-solzhenitsyn-with-altering-history/

    He also blames the "liberal intelligentsia" -- often a code word for Jews -- for exaggerating the extent of the pogroms.
     

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Listen, if Jewish people are unable to allow others to apply political labels to groups and policies, then maybe they should retire from the hurley-burly of civic life and leave it to the more thick-skinned? If the rest of us can’t use terms like “globalist” or “international banker” then how are we supposed to engage in self-government? Maybe we should do away with democratic debate in order to calm the nerves of our Jewish communities, who have been through so much in the last few thousand years?

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    @Cagey Beast

    Pretty good comment. The strategy, of course, is to use whatever wins the political debate. Shutting down political opponents is certainly a strategy for winning.

    The counter-strategy is simply to ignore the complaints and go on with the argument. Jews complaining about anti-Semitism in the US are equivalent to women complaining against masculinity in Sweden. They are squeezing the last bit of political benefit by bashing the thoroughly feminized and legally suppressed Swedish male.

  21. “Just listen to Louise Mensch, ostensibly a conservative blogger for Heat St, whom Wikileaks just outed as a Hillary campaign helper:”

    Conservatives For Hillary is the epitome of oxymoron. What is this my 10 percent friend is not my 90 percent enemy? Since the average Conservative voter would likely disagree with Crooked Hildabeast on at least 90 percent of the political issues. But Louise Mensch is not the average Conservative, so that would explain why he stands with her/he’s with her Twitter hashtag.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Jefferson


    Conservatives For Hillary
     
    Yeah!!!

    Months ago, I predicted we would be talking about "Hillary Republicans" as a parallel to "Reagan Democrats", as the parties went through realignment.

    Things didn't quite turn out like I expected. The Republican opposition to Trump was very predictable, but I thought there would be a more issues-based campaign, with a block of voters who vocally made a switch from R to D.

    But I was still thinking in pre-identity-politics terms. The reality is that Hillary is winning on gender and race issues and winning with specific gender and races.

    Still "Conservatives for Hillary"... I'll take what I can get...

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @Jefferson

  22. This was one of the things that annoyed me the most. I mean, we really are getting ripped off by a global elite. It’s even sillier than ‘we can’t talk about urban crime because that means black people’, because an interconnected global elite is a natural tendency of a global economy that we would have to guard against anyway, whether the Corporate Masters are named McAllen, Mendelsohn, or Minamoto.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    @SFG

    The Master of Puppets was literally a Mensch? How did Metallica get into this? Can they get rid of dumb ass lefty Lars? If I'm gonna take political advice from a Jew in rock'n'roll, it's gonna be Gene Simmons.

  23. It’s as if someone responded to the Occupy movement that “the 1%” is a codeword for Jews

    This already happened. The Wall Street Journal featured to following letter from billionaire venture capitalist Tom Perkins in its issue of Jan. 24, 2014.

    Progressive Kristallnacht Coming?
    I would call attention to the parallels of Nazi Germany to its war on its “one percent,” namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one percent, namely the “rich.”

    Regarding your editorial “Censors on Campus” (Jan. 18): Writing from the epicenter of progressive thought, San Francisco, I would call attention to the parallels of fascist Nazi Germany to its war on its “one percent,” namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one percent, namely the “rich.”

    From the Occupy movement to the demonization of the rich embedded in virtually every word of our local newspaper, the San Francisco Chronicle, I perceive a rising tide of hatred of the successful one percent. There is outraged public reaction to the Google buses carrying technology workers from the city to the peninsula high-tech companies which employ them. We have outrage over the rising real-estate prices which these “techno geeks” can pay. We have, for example, libelous and cruel attacks in the Chronicle on our number-one celebrity, the author Danielle Steel, alleging that she is a “snob” despite the millions she has spent on our city’s homeless and mentally ill over the past decades.

    This is a very dangerous drift in our American thinking. Kristallnacht was unthinkable in 1930; is its descendant “progressive” radicalism unthinkable now?

    Tom Perkins, San Francisco
    Mr. Perkins is a founder of Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers.

  24. @Jefferson
    @The most deplorable one

    "It is really shocking how many Democrat women Trump has raped and made racist remarks to or about:"

    Racist remarks? Was Donald Trump raping Black chicks?

    Replies: @The most deplorable one

    I am sure we will soon find out that he made them dress up as Aunt Thomasina.

  25. Herein lies the problem with sacred cows of all sorts. When criticism of Jews is taboo, then an argument can be made that criticism of any group in which Jews are overrepresented is just an end run around the taboo and thus should be taboo, too. In my time, I have seen the following alleged to be anti-semitic codewords: globalists, elites, media, Zionists, Israel, leftists, liberals, cultural Marxists, Frankfurt School, neocons, bankers, Wall Street, Hollywood, and, most recently, “George Soros and Sidney Blumenthal.” In some people’s warped minds, you can’t just hate Hollywood pedophiles, you must hate Jews. Well, if that’s the price of admission, then maybe it’s worth it. Ditto the neocons.

    Likewise, when blacks are a sacred cow, then all of a sudden it’s Not Okay to complain of criminals, felons, thugs, rapists, misbehaving athletes, rowdy students, and even DMV ladies.

    It’s as if the speech police agreed that stereotypes are true, but differed on how they should be applied.

    • Agree: Antonymous
  26. @anon
    all jews i have spoken to either support trump or are ambivalent to trump. none think he is anti jewish, his daughter is orthodox . she is shomer shabbat , that makes her more jewish than 75% of american jews nowadays and they know it.

    Replies: @Earl of Monahan, @Mr. Anon

    Yup. Jews who care about actual Judaism are solidly pro-Trump. At the Orthodox shul I go to most Saturday mornings, opinions range from passionately pro-Trump to “I would have preferred Cruz, but Trump is what we got.” Nobody wants Hillary.

    Of course, Reform “Judaism,” led by the irrascible traitor Rick “Jihad” Jacobs is a whole other story.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    @Earl of Monahan

    Thank you for your comments. I am from a reform background and you are 100% correct. Except I have no idea if Rick Jacobs is irascible or not...but, he is certainly an organ of the far left.

  27. @BB753
    @Lot

    You don't get Trumpism. It's part of the elites (Trump, Thiel, etc) reaching out to the middle-classes to lead a revolt against other elites. Some rich people think it's wiser to keep the nation-state model in order to do business, while others, properly called globalists, want to do away with borders and tariffs.
    Nationalists like Trump say in essence : " Let's keep the dollar, pound, etc and national sovereignty so we can have competing markets and fair trade, because the Russians and the Chinese aren't playing the same globalist game, you suckers!".

    Replies: @Lot, @unpc downunder

    It’s part of the elites (Trump, Thiel, etc) reaching out to the middle-classes to lead a revolt against other elites.

    A really, really small fraction of the elites. Too small to win unfortunately. I think I recently read that not a single Fortune 500 CEO has donated to Trump.

    Some rich people think it’s wiser to keep the nation-state model in order to do business, while others, properly called globalists, want to do away with borders and tariffs.

    Sure, but stopping third world immigration is about 1000 times more important than getting rid of NAFTA/GATT. Some Middle American elites may be open to immigration restriction but not tariffs, and I want them on board.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "A really, really small fraction of the elites. Too small to win unfortunately. I think I recently read that not a single Fortune 500 CEO has donated to Trump."

    Why has nobody in the mainstream media reported that Fortune 500 CEOs all support Crooked Hildabeast over Donald Trump? Is it because it would hurt that bitch's image as the candidate of the blue collar class?

    Replies: @rod1963

    , @BB753
    @Lot

    "I think I recently read that not a single Fortune 500 CEO has donated to Trump."

    Big money only respects political power. They have no principles. If Trump makes it to the White House they'll be licking his ass and asking for forgiveness.

    "Sure, but stopping third world immigration is about 1000 times more important than getting rid of NAFTA/GATT. "


    It's all part of the same package. For globalists, goods, money and people are the same stuff they shuffle over borders. People are like cattle to them.

    Replies: @Forbes

  28. @eah
    https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/787046627873792000

    Replies: @tomv, @Olorin, @eah

    This woman gets invited on Fox News, but genteel Jared Taylor is beyond the pale.

  29. What do Jewish women journalists think of shiksa journalists who latch onto both their men and their names?

    Steve, I don’t know that women are as tribally possessive of men, as men are or women.

    • Replies: @JW Bell
    @Opinionator

    Women have a higher preference for marrying within race or ethnic group.

  30. Mensch, who gave up her seat in parliament to move to New York with her family, had never heard of Herzl.
    …..
    Would Rupert Murdoch have thought Louise was smart enough to be put in charge of his new website HeatStreet if she hadn’t gotten hold of a Jewish surname in mid-career?

    Seemed to me Mensch skipped town a few steps ahead of the electoral pitchforks, having made a colossal fool of herself as a transparently over-promoted airhead bimbo in the British media, where as an attractive female globalist she was constantly given more than enough airtime to fully display her empty-headedness and rarely properly skewered for her many, many foot in mouth moments.

    Whatever the reasons might have been for putting her “in charge” of a media operation, they certainly didn’t include smarts.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @Randal

    She was a loud Brexiteer, so a Murdochist rather than a Sorosite.

    She was/is a chick-lit writer and was parachuted into a constituency up north. The prospect of spending her weekends in Corby (where the trouser-presses don't come from) didn't appeal.

    Replies: @Randal, @g2k

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Randal


    Seemed to me Mensch skipped town a few steps ahead of the electoral pitchforks, having made a colossal fool of herself as a transparently over-promoted airhead bimbo in the British media
     
    You mean Mensch is no mensch?

    Replies: @jimmyriddle

  31. OT:

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Cagey Beast

    That image is a good argument for why this site needs an upvote feature for the comments.

    Replies: @jim jones

    , @Anonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    The first reply to that tweet is from Ms. Mensch:

    https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/787441399465648128

    , @Anonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/787391717188263936

    Wait a minute...

    Replies: @Romanian

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Cagey Beast

    The Bollywood actress who was onstage with Trump (scroll down) is an Indian identical twin of Ivanka.

    Replies: @Elsewhere, @jimmyriddle

  32. @BB753
    @Lot

    You don't get Trumpism. It's part of the elites (Trump, Thiel, etc) reaching out to the middle-classes to lead a revolt against other elites. Some rich people think it's wiser to keep the nation-state model in order to do business, while others, properly called globalists, want to do away with borders and tariffs.
    Nationalists like Trump say in essence : " Let's keep the dollar, pound, etc and national sovereignty so we can have competing markets and fair trade, because the Russians and the Chinese aren't playing the same globalist game, you suckers!".

    Replies: @Lot, @unpc downunder

    Do we have to use the politically correct bromide “fair trade” when criticising the unworkable globalist policy known as free trade. The only way free trade can truly exist is if we had a global government that forced all the world’s national governments to remove all formal and informal trade barriers. From a nationalist perspective this is neither practical or desirable.

    If you’re uncomfortable with the term protectionism, then use managed trade instead, but leave the wishy-washy leftist term fair trade for the Bernie brigade.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @unpc downunder

    I'm fine with tariffs and protectionism. There can be no fair trade if only some countries do away with borders and tariffs. The Chinese are guilty in this respect. " Fair trade" doesn't probably translate into Mandarin.

    Replies: @John Derbyshire, @Stebbing Heuer

    , @RonaldB
    @unpc downunder

    Defending free trade as desirable if everyone does it, is equivalent to defending democracy as desirable if everyone votes.

    Democratic theory does not take racial or ethnic bloc voting into account, just as free trade theory does not take national strategies into account. Trump's example is the Chinese government artificially supporting the yuan so Chinese exporting has an advantage over just manufacturing efficiency. Of course, you also have the difference in wages. You can always lower the cost of manufacturing by importing cheap labor: leaving your own nationals in a lurch.

    My feeling is that national and ethnic identity add something to the quality of life, as does having a high rate of employment. I don't have any doubt that completely free trade adds to the absolute efficiency of manufacturing, but your gains may be more than offset through the deterioration of other dimensions of the quality of life.

    Right now, all my electronics, computer, smart phone, networking equipment, you name it, are made in China. Trade barriers would without question increase my cost of living. Would my increased expenses be compensated for by the possibility of having free, unused land nearby or by the lower crime rates associated with restricted immigration?

  33. Waydaminit

    Why did you change her gender? The original Counterpunch article (does anyone around here ever read links?) refers to a ‘Louis Mensch’.

    And since the ‘Louis’ name is repeated its not a typo.

    I’m curious, Steve, do you regularly edit articles without mentioning doing it?

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anony-mouse

    I'll fix typos if they are distracting.

    Replies: @Anon87

  34. @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Jason Liu

    The Jew-obsession that is rampant in the alt-right I find to be tedious but not threatening. Like the ubiquitous triple parentheses, especially when put around a name like Jonah Goldberg. We all know he's of Jewish descent, you don't have to beat us over the head with it, ok?

    Meanwhile, Louise is no mensch.

    Replies: @neutral, @Mr. Anon, @RonaldB

    I find to be tedious but not threatening

    That is a strange thing to say in light of the fact that many European countries will jail you for saying bad things about jews. Then there is the fact that the mainstream media keeps saying just how threatening anti semitism is, if they did not find it threatening they would not treat it as such.

  35. @Cagey Beast
    OT:
    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/787434053498761216

    Replies: @neutral, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That image is a good argument for why this site needs an upvote feature for the comments.

    • Replies: @jim jones
    @neutral

    I believe that Hindus have a deep hatred for Muslims, that is why they like Trump

  36. Seemed to me Mensch skipped town a few steps ahead of the electoral pitchforks, having made a colossal fool of herself as a transparently over-promoted airhead bimbo in the British media, where as an attractive female globalist she was constantly given more than enough airtime to fully display her empty-headedness and rarely properly skewered for her many, many foot in mouth moments.

    Whatever the reasons might have been for putting her “in charge” of a media operation, they certainly didn’t include smarts.

    This. About 90% of what’s wrong with the West is stupid old men like Murdoch putting bimbo airheads like Mensch in charge of things. She’s a woman. OF COURSE she’s the White Man’s enemy. She’s a woman — and like most women views men with the prism of Alpha or Not; particularly being independent financially and not having a “sunk cost” of early marriage and kids to some beta male dude.

    And that’s the elites in a nutshell. The elites are a DISASTER. They all have to go. All of them. Even the “sensible” ones want Hillary’s coming war with Russia, because President Huma is mad at Assad. And its Huma Abedin running things after Hillary’s fifth aneurism. Someone like a Murdoch, a Saban, a Slim, they all have a lot to lose in a War and are too stupid to understand the risks.

    And that’s the thing. Murdoch inherited his money and got lucky. Saban just go lucky at the right time in the 1980s; absent the Power Rangers he’d be a seedy, down on his luck “manager” to fading starlets desperate for anything. Carlos Slim got lucky and corrupt getting his billions; how smart he is remains to be seen. Hillary is not anyone’s idea of even borderline competent, and no one in the Democratic or Republican party has either brains or ability from what I’ve seen. Tim Kaine? Marilyn Moseby? Kamala Harris? Romney? McCain?

  37. https://200yearstogether.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/chapter-25-accusing-russia/

    Nobel Prize winning author Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s never officially translated book “Two Hundred Years Together” or Russians and Jews together for 200 yrs

  38. Anonymous [AKA "Menon"] says:

    Strange, I wouldn’t have thought the New York Times was a hotbed of anti-semitism.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/27/us/politics/globalism-un-assembly-nationalism-populism.html

    I wonder why the NYT hasn’t been taken to task for such a headline. Going by the interpretation of Mensch and others, their headline reads “Besieged Jews wonder what went wrong”, and those are nasty insinuations, aren’t they?

  39. Love Counterpunch. Miss Alexander Cockburn.

  40. @Cagey Beast
    OT:
    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/787434053498761216

    Replies: @neutral, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The first reply to that tweet is from Ms. Mensch:

    https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/787441399465648128

  41. @Lot
    @BB753


    It’s part of the elites (Trump, Thiel, etc) reaching out to the middle-classes to lead a revolt against other elites.
     
    A really, really small fraction of the elites. Too small to win unfortunately. I think I recently read that not a single Fortune 500 CEO has donated to Trump.

    Some rich people think it’s wiser to keep the nation-state model in order to do business, while others, properly called globalists, want to do away with borders and tariffs.
     
    Sure, but stopping third world immigration is about 1000 times more important than getting rid of NAFTA/GATT. Some Middle American elites may be open to immigration restriction but not tariffs, and I want them on board.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @BB753

    “A really, really small fraction of the elites. Too small to win unfortunately. I think I recently read that not a single Fortune 500 CEO has donated to Trump.”

    Why has nobody in the mainstream media reported that Fortune 500 CEOs all support Crooked Hildabeast over Donald Trump? Is it because it would hurt that bitch’s image as the candidate of the blue collar class?

    • Replies: @rod1963
    @Jefferson

    Well yes. It would show she's as much of a meat puppet of the elites as is McCain, Romney or Bush was. In short that she's a phony.

    Also it would prove to Trump supporters that corporate America is against them as well and needs to be dealt with. I think a lot of them already know so it maybe moot.

    You want to start a class war, point this stuff out and repeat it. Heck a lot of Trump opposition is class based more than anything else. the wealthier people hate him for bringing the lower classes to the bargaining table.

  42. @Randal

    Mensch, who gave up her seat in parliament to move to New York with her family, had never heard of Herzl.
    .....
    Would Rupert Murdoch have thought Louise was smart enough to be put in charge of his new website HeatStreet if she hadn’t gotten hold of a Jewish surname in mid-career?
     
    Seemed to me Mensch skipped town a few steps ahead of the electoral pitchforks, having made a colossal fool of herself as a transparently over-promoted airhead bimbo in the British media, where as an attractive female globalist she was constantly given more than enough airtime to fully display her empty-headedness and rarely properly skewered for her many, many foot in mouth moments.

    Whatever the reasons might have been for putting her "in charge" of a media operation, they certainly didn't include smarts.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @Reg Cæsar

    She was a loud Brexiteer, so a Murdochist rather than a Sorosite.

    She was/is a chick-lit writer and was parachuted into a constituency up north. The prospect of spending her weekends in Corby (where the trouser-presses don’t come from) didn’t appeal.

    • Replies: @Randal
    @jimmyriddle


    She was a loud Brexiteer, so a Murdochist rather than a Sorosite.
     
    Indeed. A textbook example of how the double advantages of being attractive and benefitting from active positive discrimination can result in meteoric rises for a politically useful woman in our modern society.
    , @g2k
    @jimmyriddle


    She was a loud Brexiteer, so a Murdochist rather than a Sorosite.

    She was/is a chick-lit writer and was parachuted into a constituency up north. The prospect of spending her weekends in Corby (where the trouser-presses don’t come from) didn’t appeal.
     

    Yes, interesting divergence there. It's also strange since once the Brexit negotiations get fully underway and in all likelihood become acrimonious, the UK and EU will consume most of their energy squabbling with each other, rather than on pushing altalticism further into the former soviet union and whitewashing Wahabbis. The "Sorosites" certainly noticed this and made it clear that was one of their chief objections to Brexit. I guess deep down, whilst the "murdochists" do subscribe to exactly the same shibboleths, it just isn't the be all and end all of existence for them.
  43. “Or let’s hear from the Republican campaign strategist and “Never Trump-er” Rick Wilson: “Globalist”…why don’t you just say “Jew” and get it over with?”

    Rick Wilson was a Little Marco groupie. Now he is a Evan McMullin groupie. He sure knows how to pick winners. He should become a poker player in Las Vegas.

  44. @Randal

    Mensch, who gave up her seat in parliament to move to New York with her family, had never heard of Herzl.
    .....
    Would Rupert Murdoch have thought Louise was smart enough to be put in charge of his new website HeatStreet if she hadn’t gotten hold of a Jewish surname in mid-career?
     
    Seemed to me Mensch skipped town a few steps ahead of the electoral pitchforks, having made a colossal fool of herself as a transparently over-promoted airhead bimbo in the British media, where as an attractive female globalist she was constantly given more than enough airtime to fully display her empty-headedness and rarely properly skewered for her many, many foot in mouth moments.

    Whatever the reasons might have been for putting her "in charge" of a media operation, they certainly didn't include smarts.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @Reg Cæsar

    Seemed to me Mensch skipped town a few steps ahead of the electoral pitchforks, having made a colossal fool of herself as a transparently over-promoted airhead bimbo in the British media

    You mean Mensch is no mensch?

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @Reg Cæsar

    She seems to have developed a habit of putting on a trans-Atlantic accent when talking to Americans.

    Compare here on France24:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXFVsXs9LDs&feature=youtu.be&t=146

    and on Bill Maher:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJvj2bth8t0&feature=youtu.be&t=71

    Just weird. It reminds me of a former England football (ie soccer) coach who went to Holland and then affected a "Dutch" accent (in English) because the idiot thought it would help him communicate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZnoP4sUV90

  45. @Cagey Beast
    I tried to tell Louise Mensch on Twitter not conflate globalism and Judaism but apparently she didn't listen. It really is idiotic to make such an assumption. Pop globalism, internationalism and world federalism has been pumped out at us from the metropole since the days of H.G. Wells. Afer WW2, it went from the margins to the mainstream and popped up in forms as varied as Coca-Cola ads, rides at Disneyland and episodes of the original Star Trek. It's been celebrated and advocated by almost any big corporation you can name. In short, it's not a Jewish thing, even if they have a particular affinity for it.

    Trump is right that globalism has had its day, that its done enormous damage and that those continuing to advocate it are using the media to combat his reform agenda. This is how it works when one governing consensus is challenged by another. No need to reference the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion on this.

    Replies: @guest, @ben tillman

    They don’t want to sever Judaism from globalism (except in Israel). It’s too useful. If you can unite them in the public’s mind then every anti-globalist is Literal Hitler. All calls for borders and trade restrictions is a call for gas chambers.

    Makes their jobs easier.

  46. @Reg Cæsar
    @Randal


    Seemed to me Mensch skipped town a few steps ahead of the electoral pitchforks, having made a colossal fool of herself as a transparently over-promoted airhead bimbo in the British media
     
    You mean Mensch is no mensch?

    Replies: @jimmyriddle

    She seems to have developed a habit of putting on a trans-Atlantic accent when talking to Americans.

    Compare here on France24:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXFVsXs9LDs&feature=youtu.be&t=146

    and on Bill Maher:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJvj2bth8t0&feature=youtu.be&t=71

    Just weird. It reminds me of a former England football (ie soccer) coach who went to Holland and then affected a “Dutch” accent (in English) because the idiot thought it would help him communicate:

  47. Would Rupert Murdoch have thought Louise was smart enough to be put in charge of his new website HeatStreet if she hadn’t gotten hold of a Jewish surname in mid-career?

    A bit unfair. She had known her husband for many years before she married him, and her career in Britain through Oxford University, Parliament, and success as a chick-lit novelist author of 15 published novels and a couple of other books probably gives her a better resume than many Web site editors in the Murdoch stable.

  48. @SFG
    This was one of the things that annoyed me the most. I mean, we really are getting ripped off by a global elite. It's even sillier than 'we can't talk about urban crime because that means black people', because an interconnected global elite is a natural tendency of a global economy that we would have to guard against anyway, whether the Corporate Masters are named McAllen, Mendelsohn, or Minamoto.

    Replies: @Bugg

    The Master of Puppets was literally a Mensch? How did Metallica get into this? Can they get rid of dumb ass lefty Lars? If I’m gonna take political advice from a Jew in rock’n’roll, it’s gonna be Gene Simmons.

  49. @German_reader
    That stupid Mensch woman was a MP for the Conservatives in Britain...probably tells you all you need to know about Cameron's "modernization" of the party.
    Depressing that someone dumb/uneducated enough to have never heard of Theodore Herzl can get a well-paid career in politics and journalism.

    Replies: @Dr. X, @g2k

    She looks like an 11th -grader, for Christ’s sake. Seems to have the mentality of one, too.

    • Replies: @5371
    @Dr. X

    That's what extreme doses of Botox will do.
    For moral turpitude, Bagshawe could teach Alicia Machado a thing or two, but she has been careful enough to do it among Anglos and Jews.

  50. @Opinionator
    What do Jewish women journalists think of shiksa journalists who latch onto both their men and their names?

    Steve, I don't know that women are as tribally possessive of men, as men are or women.

    Replies: @JW Bell

    Women have a higher preference for marrying within race or ethnic group.

  51. @abner
    If there's ever a guy (or gal - Marine and now Frauke Petry types) running for the Trumpist party with the analytical mind, sense of elite decorum, calm-intelligent affect, and spotless scandal-armored personal life that people say they wish Trump had, you can be sure they'll have the cunning to be approximately a thousand times more jew-aware inside than Trump is.

    Replies: @WhatEvvs, @Forbes

    It is an interesting thing that some of the most passionate & intelligent European nationalists tend to be woke women. The Joan of Arc syndrome.

  52. “It’s as if someone responded to the Occupy movement that “the 1%” is a codeword for Jews, so we should stop talking about wealth disparity.”

    Actually, Jon Kest, who cooked up Occupy Wall Street out of his office at 2 Nevins Street in Brooklyn, initially wanted to talk about the “2 %.” This is from people who were involved.

    Then he did some quick calculations and decided maybe 1% was better…

  53. Louise Mensch is reliably dim, if nothing else. Check out her several online debates with Vox Day on anti-semitism, marital rape, and feminism. Day goes pretty easy on her, for some reason, but even so, Mensch is manifestly incapable of rising above the level of hackneyed neocon talking points. There really does seem to be more than a hint of Dunning-Kruger about her.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @Murray

    Murdoch seems to collect feisty, but intellectually limited acolytes.

    There is the notoriously dim Kay Burley, who has been with Sky News from day 1. She was the subject of this dialogue from the political comedy The Thick of It:

    "Being interviewed by Kay is, as we all know, like being interviewed by a backward child. That's obviously great most of the time. But occasionally she will throw you a curveball like a child might – "Why is there war?" "What is Europe?" – and if you can't answer it's you who ends up looking like the thick-as-pigcrap chancer."

    Burley and Mensch both infuriate lefties, so I have a bit of a soft spot for them. Here's Louise steamrollering a liberal British reporter on the France 24 channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=winjcG3yeRY&feature=youtu.be&t=1148

    Replies: @Randal

    , @guest
    @Murray

    I love that she thinks Galileo was burned at the stake.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @william munny

  54. I see Mensch’s husband also managed Def Leppard, AC/DC, Smashing Pumpkins and Dokken.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Mensch

    And the wiki article on Louise Mensch has this rather funny asides.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Mensch

    She was appointed to the nominal position of Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead on 29 August 2012, thus vacating her seat…..
    Mensch is diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, which made her realise she was “self medicating” with wine for stress, and she has now almost completely given up alcohol.[

  55. Q. Louise Mensch is a citizen of a foreign nation. Why is she meddling in our affairs?

    A. She’s a globalist.

    From the Daily Telegraph:

    In her Unfashionista blog Mrs Mensch describes how her diagnosis with ADD (type 2 inattentive) led to her almost totally giving up alcohol.

    ADD is a form of attention deficit disorder, characterised by problems concentrating and a short attention span.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10044694/Louise-Mensch-reveals-her-battle-with-attention-deficit-disorder.html

  56. @anony-mouse
    Waydaminit

    Why did you change her gender? The original Counterpunch article (does anyone around here ever read links?) refers to a 'Louis Mensch'.

    And since the 'Louis' name is repeated its not a typo.

    I'm curious, Steve, do you regularly edit articles without mentioning doing it?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I’ll fix typos if they are distracting.

    • Replies: @Anon87
    @Steve Sailer

    Is there a way to highlight or asterisk an article when you update or refine? I almost hate to read fresh posts since it seems you occasionally have new insights added, especially after the comments roll in.

  57. @Murray
    Louise Mensch is reliably dim, if nothing else. Check out her several online debates with Vox Day on anti-semitism, marital rape, and feminism. Day goes pretty easy on her, for some reason, but even so, Mensch is manifestly incapable of rising above the level of hackneyed neocon talking points. There really does seem to be more than a hint of Dunning-Kruger about her.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @guest

    Murdoch seems to collect feisty, but intellectually limited acolytes.

    There is the notoriously dim Kay Burley, who has been with Sky News from day 1. She was the subject of this dialogue from the political comedy The Thick of It:

    “Being interviewed by Kay is, as we all know, like being interviewed by a backward child. That’s obviously great most of the time. But occasionally she will throw you a curveball like a child might – “Why is there war?” “What is Europe?” – and if you can’t answer it’s you who ends up looking like the thick-as-pigcrap chancer.”

    Burley and Mensch both infuriate lefties, so I have a bit of a soft spot for them. Here’s Louise steamrollering a liberal British reporter on the France 24 channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=winjcG3yeRY&feature=youtu.be&t=1148

    • Replies: @Randal
    @jimmyriddle


    Burley and Mensch both infuriate lefties, so I have a bit of a soft spot for them. Here’s Louise steamrollering a liberal British reporter on the France 24 channel:
     
    That is entertaining, though it's a bit like watching a pair of 12 year olds discussing politics.

    The trouble with taking the easy pleasure of watching the likes of Mensch shout down vacant lefties is that in the end you are left with someone like Mensch in an over-promoted position of power and influence. A globalist to her fingertips (as demonstrated incontrovertibly by her easy transatlantic shift - the very definition of a "rootless cosmopolitan"), who has none of the loyalty to her country or to tradition and nativism that defines positive conservatism, as opposed to the pseudo-conservatism of the neocons, which is basically just sucking up to the present power elites.

    The likes of Mensch should really not be indulged. That way lies, in the short run, the end of free speech beneath a flood of "hate speech" laws and taboos, and in the longer run, the end of the nation state.
  58. An awful lot of Louises were born in England about 35 or so years ago. What’s up with that? Some TV character?

    And all the young Leslies among Mexicans…

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Reg Cæsar


    An awful lot of Louises were born in England about 35 or so years ago. What’s up with that? Some TV character?
     
    Probably the Jeffersons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeD3jolwn0o

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  59. @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "A really, really small fraction of the elites. Too small to win unfortunately. I think I recently read that not a single Fortune 500 CEO has donated to Trump."

    Why has nobody in the mainstream media reported that Fortune 500 CEOs all support Crooked Hildabeast over Donald Trump? Is it because it would hurt that bitch's image as the candidate of the blue collar class?

    Replies: @rod1963

    Well yes. It would show she’s as much of a meat puppet of the elites as is McCain, Romney or Bush was. In short that she’s a phony.

    Also it would prove to Trump supporters that corporate America is against them as well and needs to be dealt with. I think a lot of them already know so it maybe moot.

    You want to start a class war, point this stuff out and repeat it. Heck a lot of Trump opposition is class based more than anything else. the wealthier people hate him for bringing the lower classes to the bargaining table.

  60. @Murray
    Louise Mensch is reliably dim, if nothing else. Check out her several online debates with Vox Day on anti-semitism, marital rape, and feminism. Day goes pretty easy on her, for some reason, but even so, Mensch is manifestly incapable of rising above the level of hackneyed neocon talking points. There really does seem to be more than a hint of Dunning-Kruger about her.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle, @guest

    I love that she thinks Galileo was burned at the stake.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @guest

    It was her sister that went to Cambridge. Maybe it was a Twins-like situation...

    , @william munny
    @guest

    Hahahaha. I didn't notice at first. Sometimes when idiots say a number of dumb things at once, you don't notice the most absurd lines because you focus on the ones that sound more serious.

    If they didn't confine Galileo to house arrest, we might never have had his magnum opus.

  61. @Cagey Beast
    OT:
    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/787434053498761216

    Replies: @neutral, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Wait a minute…

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @Anonymous

    If it's just ten every year or given to Nobel Prize winners... sure, why not?

  62. And Louise Mensch again: “”Globalists” is, like “zionists” or “zios” the new antisemitic code word for Jews”

    I’m still chuckling to myself over the reporters who wrote about the alt-right and said that neo-nazis Tweet about their pride in their Scots-Irish heritage… LOL

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Chrisnonymous


    the new antisemitic code word for Jews
     
    Actually this is a drinking game Chez Olorin.
  63. “Rick Wilson: “Globalist”…why don’t you just say “Jew” and get it over with?””

    “Rick Wilson”………Why don’t you just say “submissive cuckold” and get it over with?

  64. @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Jason Liu

    The Jew-obsession that is rampant in the alt-right I find to be tedious but not threatening. Like the ubiquitous triple parentheses, especially when put around a name like Jonah Goldberg. We all know he's of Jewish descent, you don't have to beat us over the head with it, ok?

    Meanwhile, Louise is no mensch.

    Replies: @neutral, @Mr. Anon, @RonaldB

    “The Jew-obsession that is rampant in the alt-right I find to be tedious but not threatening.”

    The obsession that virtue-signalers have with noticing human bio-diversity on human bio-diversity websites I find to be tedious. Full stop.

  65. As the election looms the media are busy cranking up Jewish paranoia to 11… Tactically speaking, the primary purpose of an accusation of anti-Semitism is to…

    At this point, Jews as a group are leaning to Hillary anyway, the suppressing the pro-Trump Jewish vote can’t pay much, and we are past the point where huge donations are going to make a big difference… so… makes me wonder if this pivot from calling Trump Hitler to calling him anti-Semitic is an attempt to suppress the evangelical Christian vote. I suspect most evangelicals aren’t are affected relatively more by the idea of “anti-Semitism” and being opposed to Israel.

  66. @Lot
    Well I for one do not think we need to marry third-world immigration restriction and eugenic policies to increase middle-class white birth rates with an unremitting hostility to global elites. For one thing, anti-elitism and crude anti-globalism is wrong on its merits.

    But even if you disagree with me on this first point, you ought to realize that beating the global elites is a fool's errand that will end with crushing failure. Much better is to try to divide such elites. Many of them supported Romney for instance, and I think a Koch/Adelson backed campaign in 2020 by Kris Kobach could be a winner.

    Let the Koch Brothers enjoy four years of Hillary taxes, Hillary judges, and Hillary EPA appointees and we'll see if they want to come on board the next cycle.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BB753, @Chrisnonymous, @Almost Missouri

    Really? Lot, you are commenting on this particular post to defend globalists? Are you trolling?

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Chrisnonymous

    No, my comment was sincere.

  67. @anon
    all jews i have spoken to either support trump or are ambivalent to trump. none think he is anti jewish, his daughter is orthodox . she is shomer shabbat , that makes her more jewish than 75% of american jews nowadays and they know it.

    Replies: @Earl of Monahan, @Mr. Anon

    “all jews i have spoken to either support trump or are ambivalent to trump.”

    And? That means………….exactly nothing. Have you spoken with millions of people about what they think about Trump? A majority of Jews are probably going to vote for Hillary; the Democratic ticket typically gets? What? 70% of the jewish vote?

  68. @Lot
    Louise has a pretty ritzy upper-class gentry background, her grandfather did this, his grandfather was noted for that.

    Her sister Tilly Bagshawe also seems to have married a Jew, Robin Nydes, a former investment banker and current semi-retired hedge fund manager.

    It took me a while to Jew-detect Mr. Nydes. It is a very rare last name, either Danish or Polish from what I can tell. The only other man I could find who has that surname was a fairly famous American psychologist named Jule Nydes who died in 1973 and was married a English-American gentile hippie who had a very long retirement dabbling in touch theory and Indian mysticism in Santa Fe.

    Tilly got pregnant at age 17 and named her daughter Persephone (hope you recognize that name from Greek mythology), went to Cambridge as a single mother, and is a best-selling novelist, starting from her first one. She married Nydes when she was 28 and has had two boys with him, with the more normal names of Zac and Theo, rather than perhaps her initial inclination of Hades and Minotaur.

    http://imgur.com/a/ssKqz

    Replies: @ben tillman, @bored identity

    Wow — who is that on the left? She is hideous.

  69. @Jefferson
    "Just listen to Louise Mensch, ostensibly a conservative blogger for Heat St, whom Wikileaks just outed as a Hillary campaign helper:"

    Conservatives For Hillary is the epitome of oxymoron. What is this my 10 percent friend is not my 90 percent enemy? Since the average Conservative voter would likely disagree with Crooked Hildabeast on at least 90 percent of the political issues. But Louise Mensch is not the average Conservative, so that would explain why he stands with her/he's with her Twitter hashtag.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Conservatives For Hillary

    Yeah!!!

    Months ago, I predicted we would be talking about “Hillary Republicans” as a parallel to “Reagan Democrats”, as the parties went through realignment.

    Things didn’t quite turn out like I expected. The Republican opposition to Trump was very predictable, but I thought there would be a more issues-based campaign, with a block of voters who vocally made a switch from R to D.

    But I was still thinking in pre-identity-politics terms. The reality is that Hillary is winning on gender and race issues and winning with specific gender and races.

    Still “Conservatives for Hillary”… I’ll take what I can get…

    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
    @Chrisnonymous

    I think we can safely assume that identity politics are the only politics that matter in future elections.

    , @Jefferson
    @Chrisnonymous

    I used to believe the only reason Never Trump Republicans are voting for Crooked Hildabeast is 100 percent because they support open borders and amnesty. Now I believe that is 50 percent of the reason. If it was 100 percent of the reason they would be voting for Gary Johnson who also supports open borders and amnesty.

    The other 50 percent of the reason is because Never Trump Republicans want to murder Vladimir Putin and take over Russia like they did with Iraq. Vladimir is their new Saddam Hussein.

  70. @guest
    @Murray

    I love that she thinks Galileo was burned at the stake.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @william munny

    It was her sister that went to Cambridge. Maybe it was a Twins-like situation…

  71. @Reg Cæsar
    An awful lot of Louises were born in England about 35 or so years ago. What's up with that? Some TV character?

    And all the young Leslies among Mexicans…

    Replies: @Desiderius

    An awful lot of Louises were born in England about 35 or so years ago. What’s up with that? Some TV character?

    Probably the Jeffersons.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Desiderius

    Yeah, but it never caught on here. Usually "cool" names in England show up here a generation later. But no Louises, nor Florences, to be found in our middle schools yet.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  72. @War for Blair Mountain
    Noam Chomsky is going to vote for Hillary Clinton....because, Trump doesn't believe Global Warming is real and therefore to quote Noam Chomsky:"Donald Trump is a threat to the Human Species!!!!!"


    Noam Chomsky


    So what's it really about?....Your expensive Cape Cod beach front property losing property value...leaving the Chomsky Grandkids with a few million less than they would otherwise inherit?

    Replies: @sf

    But if Hillary is so good on global warming and Trump so bad, why did the Koch brothers endorse her? Trump’s immigration policies would at least lead to zero population growth in the US

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @sf

    Don't tell me -- the MSM has failed to inform you of this? http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/10/15/in-wall-street-speech-hillary-told-environmentalists-to-get-a-life-n2232646

    , @ATX Hipster
    @sf

    Well you see, the Koch Brothers were the Antichrist(s). But then Trump came along, and he's literally Hitler.

  73. @Chrisnonymous
    @Lot

    Really? Lot, you are commenting on this particular post to defend globalists? Are you trolling?

    Replies: @Lot

    No, my comment was sincere.

  74. @sf
    @War for Blair Mountain

    But if Hillary is so good on global warming and Trump so bad, why did the Koch brothers endorse her? Trump's immigration policies would at least lead to zero population growth in the US

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ATX Hipster

  75. @Dr. X
    @German_reader

    She looks like an 11th -grader, for Christ's sake. Seems to have the mentality of one, too.

    Replies: @5371

    That’s what extreme doses of Botox will do.
    For moral turpitude, Bagshawe could teach Alicia Machado a thing or two, but she has been careful enough to do it among Anglos and Jews.

  76. @eah
    https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/787046627873792000

    Replies: @tomv, @Olorin, @eah

    Always happy to serve as the Shadow Puppet upon which the Louise Mensches of the world can project their domination-through-persecution fantasies that are in truth a diversion from their glaring, extreme Chosenmania.

  77. What we have here is a failure to communicate.

    A large percentage of Americans, especially Clinton’s base, wouldn’t be able to explain why this is interesting:

    (odd since they also accusing him of being controlled by Russia. A new Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?)

    Educated != Learned, at least not in America. But the Educated have degrees, so Shut Up.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @ATX Hipster

    "A large percentage of Americans, especially Clinton’s base, wouldn’t be able to explain why this is interesting:

    (odd since they also accusing him of being controlled by Russia. A new Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?)"

    Unfortunately, this is the case for most Americans. A 30-something couple I was speaking with yesterday about how my daughter refers to her 3 yr old brother as "Mussolini" was met with blank looks. I explained that he was a dictator, from Italy, and when I wasn't sensing a connection, I came up with "like Hitler, before WW2." If I refer to Saddam Hussein with my HS students, they have no clue. The public schools, clueless parents, technology have dumbed everyone down.

  78. @sf
    @War for Blair Mountain

    But if Hillary is so good on global warming and Trump so bad, why did the Koch brothers endorse her? Trump's immigration policies would at least lead to zero population growth in the US

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ATX Hipster

    Well you see, the Koch Brothers were the Antichrist(s). But then Trump came along, and he’s literally Hitler.

  79. @Chrisnonymous

    And Louise Mensch again: “”Globalists” is, like “zionists” or “zios” the new antisemitic code word for Jews”
     
    I'm still chuckling to myself over the reporters who wrote about the alt-right and said that neo-nazis Tweet about their pride in their Scots-Irish heritage... LOL

    Replies: @Olorin

    the new antisemitic code word for Jews

    Actually this is a drinking game Chez Olorin.

  80. @Chrisnonymous
    @Jefferson


    Conservatives For Hillary
     
    Yeah!!!

    Months ago, I predicted we would be talking about "Hillary Republicans" as a parallel to "Reagan Democrats", as the parties went through realignment.

    Things didn't quite turn out like I expected. The Republican opposition to Trump was very predictable, but I thought there would be a more issues-based campaign, with a block of voters who vocally made a switch from R to D.

    But I was still thinking in pre-identity-politics terms. The reality is that Hillary is winning on gender and race issues and winning with specific gender and races.

    Still "Conservatives for Hillary"... I'll take what I can get...

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @Jefferson

    I think we can safely assume that identity politics are the only politics that matter in future elections.

  81. @neutral
    @Cagey Beast

    That image is a good argument for why this site needs an upvote feature for the comments.

    Replies: @jim jones

    I believe that Hindus have a deep hatred for Muslims, that is why they like Trump

  82. @Anonymous
    @Cagey Beast

    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/787391717188263936

    Wait a minute...

    Replies: @Romanian

    If it’s just ten every year or given to Nobel Prize winners… sure, why not?

  83. @Cagey Beast
    OT:
    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/787434053498761216

    Replies: @neutral, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Bollywood actress who was onstage with Trump (scroll down) is an Indian identical twin of Ivanka.

    • Replies: @Elsewhere
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Amazing resemblance!

    , @jimmyriddle
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    "One onstage skit featured two dancing couples who were abruptly interrupted by robed, bearded men with fake machine guns masquerading as terrorists. Only after they carried out a mock execution, did men and women dressed as police officials come on stage and "shoot" them. Then the police officials and couples danced a number before transitioning into the American national anthem. "

    ROFL.

    Why weren't these guys at the GOP convention?

  84. @ATX Hipster
    What we have here is a failure to communicate.

    A large percentage of Americans, especially Clinton's base, wouldn't be able to explain why this is interesting:

    (odd since they also accusing him of being controlled by Russia. A new Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?)
     
    Educated != Learned, at least not in America. But the Educated have degrees, so Shut Up.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    “A large percentage of Americans, especially Clinton’s base, wouldn’t be able to explain why this is interesting:

    (odd since they also accusing him of being controlled by Russia. A new Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?)”

    Unfortunately, this is the case for most Americans. A 30-something couple I was speaking with yesterday about how my daughter refers to her 3 yr old brother as “Mussolini” was met with blank looks. I explained that he was a dictator, from Italy, and when I wasn’t sensing a connection, I came up with “like Hitler, before WW2.” If I refer to Saddam Hussein with my HS students, they have no clue. The public schools, clueless parents, technology have dumbed everyone down.

  85. @guest
    @Murray

    I love that she thinks Galileo was burned at the stake.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @william munny

    Hahahaha. I didn’t notice at first. Sometimes when idiots say a number of dumb things at once, you don’t notice the most absurd lines because you focus on the ones that sound more serious.

    If they didn’t confine Galileo to house arrest, we might never have had his magnum opus.

  86. @jimmyriddle
    @Randal

    She was a loud Brexiteer, so a Murdochist rather than a Sorosite.

    She was/is a chick-lit writer and was parachuted into a constituency up north. The prospect of spending her weekends in Corby (where the trouser-presses don't come from) didn't appeal.

    Replies: @Randal, @g2k

    She was a loud Brexiteer, so a Murdochist rather than a Sorosite.

    Indeed. A textbook example of how the double advantages of being attractive and benefitting from active positive discrimination can result in meteoric rises for a politically useful woman in our modern society.

  87. @jimmyriddle
    @Murray

    Murdoch seems to collect feisty, but intellectually limited acolytes.

    There is the notoriously dim Kay Burley, who has been with Sky News from day 1. She was the subject of this dialogue from the political comedy The Thick of It:

    "Being interviewed by Kay is, as we all know, like being interviewed by a backward child. That's obviously great most of the time. But occasionally she will throw you a curveball like a child might – "Why is there war?" "What is Europe?" – and if you can't answer it's you who ends up looking like the thick-as-pigcrap chancer."

    Burley and Mensch both infuriate lefties, so I have a bit of a soft spot for them. Here's Louise steamrollering a liberal British reporter on the France 24 channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=winjcG3yeRY&feature=youtu.be&t=1148

    Replies: @Randal

    Burley and Mensch both infuriate lefties, so I have a bit of a soft spot for them. Here’s Louise steamrollering a liberal British reporter on the France 24 channel:

    That is entertaining, though it’s a bit like watching a pair of 12 year olds discussing politics.

    The trouble with taking the easy pleasure of watching the likes of Mensch shout down vacant lefties is that in the end you are left with someone like Mensch in an over-promoted position of power and influence. A globalist to her fingertips (as demonstrated incontrovertibly by her easy transatlantic shift – the very definition of a “rootless cosmopolitan”), who has none of the loyalty to her country or to tradition and nativism that defines positive conservatism, as opposed to the pseudo-conservatism of the neocons, which is basically just sucking up to the present power elites.

    The likes of Mensch should really not be indulged. That way lies, in the short run, the end of free speech beneath a flood of “hate speech” laws and taboos, and in the longer run, the end of the nation state.

  88. @unpc downunder
    @BB753

    Do we have to use the politically correct bromide "fair trade" when criticising the unworkable globalist policy known as free trade. The only way free trade can truly exist is if we had a global government that forced all the world's national governments to remove all formal and informal trade barriers. From a nationalist perspective this is neither practical or desirable.

    If you're uncomfortable with the term protectionism, then use managed trade instead, but leave the wishy-washy leftist term fair trade for the Bernie brigade.

    Replies: @BB753, @RonaldB

    I’m fine with tariffs and protectionism. There can be no fair trade if only some countries do away with borders and tariffs. The Chinese are guilty in this respect. ” Fair trade” doesn’t probably translate into Mandarin.

    • Replies: @John Derbyshire
    @BB753

    The early-20C Chinese writer Lu Xun wrote an essay about fair play. However, he couldn't think of a Chinese phrase equivalent in meaning to "fair play," so he just transliterated it into Chinese characters sounded fei-e-po-lai. Most published versions of the essay include the English in parentheses; some omit the transliteration and just show the English.

    , @Stebbing Heuer
    @BB753


    In Europe, the laissez-faire movement was first widely promoted by the physiocrats, a movement that originated with Vincent de Gournay, a successful merchant. Gournay adopted the concept, which is the translation of Chinese philosophy wu wei, from François Quesnay's writings on China.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire#Europe

    OK, so it's not precisely free trade, but it's not hard to get from one to the other.

    I can't find a link, but my understanding is that there was cross-cultural discussion happening between China and Europe (specifically, France) prior to the French revolution. It was either one of the Physiocrats or Turgot who was tutoring some Chinese students in economics around that time. They most likely shared ideas about ways to answer the four questions of political economy.

    Of course, attitudes in Imperial China towards free trade likely haven't survived their way into the 21st century.
  89. @Lot
    Well I for one do not think we need to marry third-world immigration restriction and eugenic policies to increase middle-class white birth rates with an unremitting hostility to global elites. For one thing, anti-elitism and crude anti-globalism is wrong on its merits.

    But even if you disagree with me on this first point, you ought to realize that beating the global elites is a fool's errand that will end with crushing failure. Much better is to try to divide such elites. Many of them supported Romney for instance, and I think a Koch/Adelson backed campaign in 2020 by Kris Kobach could be a winner.

    Let the Koch Brothers enjoy four years of Hillary taxes, Hillary judges, and Hillary EPA appointees and we'll see if they want to come on board the next cycle.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BB753, @Chrisnonymous, @Almost Missouri

    “Much better is to try to divide such elites.”

    The elites are already divided. Trump and fellow travelers are the division.

    So are you going to support the division?

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @guest
    @Almost Missouri

    You can divide the U.S. into Rhode Island and the rest of them. Trump's share of the elites doesn't even rise to that level.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  90. @Lot
    @BB753


    It’s part of the elites (Trump, Thiel, etc) reaching out to the middle-classes to lead a revolt against other elites.
     
    A really, really small fraction of the elites. Too small to win unfortunately. I think I recently read that not a single Fortune 500 CEO has donated to Trump.

    Some rich people think it’s wiser to keep the nation-state model in order to do business, while others, properly called globalists, want to do away with borders and tariffs.
     
    Sure, but stopping third world immigration is about 1000 times more important than getting rid of NAFTA/GATT. Some Middle American elites may be open to immigration restriction but not tariffs, and I want them on board.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @BB753

    “I think I recently read that not a single Fortune 500 CEO has donated to Trump.”

    Big money only respects political power. They have no principles. If Trump makes it to the White House they’ll be licking his ass and asking for forgiveness.

    “Sure, but stopping third world immigration is about 1000 times more important than getting rid of NAFTA/GATT. ”

    It’s all part of the same package. For globalists, goods, money and people are the same stuff they shuffle over borders. People are like cattle to them.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @BB753


    For globalists, goods, money and people are the same stuff they shuffle over borders. People are like cattle to them.
     
    Yup. Free trade includes the free movement of peoples.

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer

  91. @Earl of Monahan
    @anon

    Yup. Jews who care about actual Judaism are solidly pro-Trump. At the Orthodox shul I go to most Saturday mornings, opinions range from passionately pro-Trump to "I would have preferred Cruz, but Trump is what we got." Nobody wants Hillary.

    Of course, Reform "Judaism," led by the irrascible traitor Rick "Jihad" Jacobs is a whole other story.

    Replies: @RonaldB

    Thank you for your comments. I am from a reform background and you are 100% correct. Except I have no idea if Rick Jacobs is irascible or not…but, he is certainly an organ of the far left.

  92. @Cagey Beast
    @Anonymous

    Listen, if Jewish people are unable to allow others to apply political labels to groups and policies, then maybe they should retire from the hurley-burly of civic life and leave it to the more thick-skinned? If the rest of us can't use terms like "globalist" or "international banker" then how are we supposed to engage in self-government? Maybe we should do away with democratic debate in order to calm the nerves of our Jewish communities, who have been through so much in the last few thousand years?

    Replies: @RonaldB

    Pretty good comment. The strategy, of course, is to use whatever wins the political debate. Shutting down political opponents is certainly a strategy for winning.

    The counter-strategy is simply to ignore the complaints and go on with the argument. Jews complaining about anti-Semitism in the US are equivalent to women complaining against masculinity in Sweden. They are squeezing the last bit of political benefit by bashing the thoroughly feminized and legally suppressed Swedish male.

  93. @Ripple Earthdevil
    @Jason Liu

    The Jew-obsession that is rampant in the alt-right I find to be tedious but not threatening. Like the ubiquitous triple parentheses, especially when put around a name like Jonah Goldberg. We all know he's of Jewish descent, you don't have to beat us over the head with it, ok?

    Meanwhile, Louise is no mensch.

    Replies: @neutral, @Mr. Anon, @RonaldB

    I completely agree with you on run-of-the-mill anti-Semitism on alt-right twitters and blogs. The worst part of it is it blinds them to those dynamics of the far left that are non-Jewish. I sometimes make fun of their obsession with Jews.

    However, there is a significant, though not large, component of alt-right hangers-on that are self-identified Nazis: that is, they openly advocate the killing of Jews. I’m not so tolerant of those. I think you can be too inclusive: anti-Semites, ok; would-be murderers, no.

  94. @Steve Sailer
    @anony-mouse

    I'll fix typos if they are distracting.

    Replies: @Anon87

    Is there a way to highlight or asterisk an article when you update or refine? I almost hate to read fresh posts since it seems you occasionally have new insights added, especially after the comments roll in.

  95. Speaking of anti-Semitism and neo-Nazism, Sailer, have you decided what name will take when the time to change it not to look anti-Semites/neo-Nazis will dawn?

    Sailerinsky, Sailerstein, Sailerwitz, … just some suggestions.

    Very interesting map

  96. @Chrisnonymous
    @Jefferson


    Conservatives For Hillary
     
    Yeah!!!

    Months ago, I predicted we would be talking about "Hillary Republicans" as a parallel to "Reagan Democrats", as the parties went through realignment.

    Things didn't quite turn out like I expected. The Republican opposition to Trump was very predictable, but I thought there would be a more issues-based campaign, with a block of voters who vocally made a switch from R to D.

    But I was still thinking in pre-identity-politics terms. The reality is that Hillary is winning on gender and race issues and winning with specific gender and races.

    Still "Conservatives for Hillary"... I'll take what I can get...

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @Jefferson

    I used to believe the only reason Never Trump Republicans are voting for Crooked Hildabeast is 100 percent because they support open borders and amnesty. Now I believe that is 50 percent of the reason. If it was 100 percent of the reason they would be voting for Gary Johnson who also supports open borders and amnesty.

    The other 50 percent of the reason is because Never Trump Republicans want to murder Vladimir Putin and take over Russia like they did with Iraq. Vladimir is their new Saddam Hussein.

  97. @eah
    https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/787046627873792000

    Replies: @tomv, @Olorin, @eah

  98. @unpc downunder
    @BB753

    Do we have to use the politically correct bromide "fair trade" when criticising the unworkable globalist policy known as free trade. The only way free trade can truly exist is if we had a global government that forced all the world's national governments to remove all formal and informal trade barriers. From a nationalist perspective this is neither practical or desirable.

    If you're uncomfortable with the term protectionism, then use managed trade instead, but leave the wishy-washy leftist term fair trade for the Bernie brigade.

    Replies: @BB753, @RonaldB

    Defending free trade as desirable if everyone does it, is equivalent to defending democracy as desirable if everyone votes.

    Democratic theory does not take racial or ethnic bloc voting into account, just as free trade theory does not take national strategies into account. Trump’s example is the Chinese government artificially supporting the yuan so Chinese exporting has an advantage over just manufacturing efficiency. Of course, you also have the difference in wages. You can always lower the cost of manufacturing by importing cheap labor: leaving your own nationals in a lurch.

    My feeling is that national and ethnic identity add something to the quality of life, as does having a high rate of employment. I don’t have any doubt that completely free trade adds to the absolute efficiency of manufacturing, but your gains may be more than offset through the deterioration of other dimensions of the quality of life.

    Right now, all my electronics, computer, smart phone, networking equipment, you name it, are made in China. Trade barriers would without question increase my cost of living. Would my increased expenses be compensated for by the possibility of having free, unused land nearby or by the lower crime rates associated with restricted immigration?

  99. This. About 90% of what’s wrong with the West is stupid old men like Murdoch putting bimbo airheads like Mensch in charge of things. She’s a woman. OF COURSE she’s the White Man’s enemy. She’s a woman — and like most women views men with the prism of Alpha or Not

    Leftist tactics; promote conflict between white men and white women, to distract them from (the mostly one-sided) conflict between Jews and Whites. Call White women “the enemy” to distract from a much more salient enemy, the Jews. Bravo.

    “Stupid old men like Murdoch” are about 40% Jewish. The bad ones, even moreso. Soros, Gelbaum, they seem to be accomplishing their globalist, open-borders, anti-White goals by throwing millions of dollars at them, not “bimbo airheads.”

    Jews, including Jewish women, vote 70 to 80% Democrat. The % is much lower for White women. I don’t think even half of White women vote Democrat.

    P.S., Jews have tons of media power, and many media mouthpieces. If they don’t like what Mensch is saying, you can be sure they’ll speak up. How many have done so?

  100. @BB753
    @unpc downunder

    I'm fine with tariffs and protectionism. There can be no fair trade if only some countries do away with borders and tariffs. The Chinese are guilty in this respect. " Fair trade" doesn't probably translate into Mandarin.

    Replies: @John Derbyshire, @Stebbing Heuer

    The early-20C Chinese writer Lu Xun wrote an essay about fair play. However, he couldn’t think of a Chinese phrase equivalent in meaning to “fair play,” so he just transliterated it into Chinese characters sounded fei-e-po-lai. Most published versions of the essay include the English in parentheses; some omit the transliteration and just show the English.

    • Agree: BB753
  101. Meanwhile, back in reality:

    If you belong to a group (racial, sexual orientation, religious) that has historically had trouble with people in different civilizations, on various continents, and over hundreds if not thousands of years-everybody,everywhere, all the time,-you know what? It may be them,but the smart money is betting that it’s you.

  102. @Cagey Beast
    I tried to tell Louise Mensch on Twitter not conflate globalism and Judaism but apparently she didn't listen. It really is idiotic to make such an assumption. Pop globalism, internationalism and world federalism has been pumped out at us from the metropole since the days of H.G. Wells. Afer WW2, it went from the margins to the mainstream and popped up in forms as varied as Coca-Cola ads, rides at Disneyland and episodes of the original Star Trek. It's been celebrated and advocated by almost any big corporation you can name. In short, it's not a Jewish thing, even if they have a particular affinity for it.

    Trump is right that globalism has had its day, that its done enormous damage and that those continuing to advocate it are using the media to combat his reform agenda. This is how it works when one governing consensus is challenged by another. No need to reference the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion on this.

    Replies: @guest, @ben tillman

    I tried to tell Louise Mensch on Twitter not conflate globalism and Judaism but apparently she didn’t listen. It really is idiotic to make such an assumption.

    It’s not an assumption (or presumption) or conflation. She believes globalism is a Jewish project, and she gets to the presumption conceptually later — namely, the presumption that non-Jews think the same thing, which is mostly false.

  103. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Cagey Beast

    The Bollywood actress who was onstage with Trump (scroll down) is an Indian identical twin of Ivanka.

    Replies: @Elsewhere, @jimmyriddle

    Amazing resemblance!

  104. @abner
    If there's ever a guy (or gal - Marine and now Frauke Petry types) running for the Trumpist party with the analytical mind, sense of elite decorum, calm-intelligent affect, and spotless scandal-armored personal life that people say they wish Trump had, you can be sure they'll have the cunning to be approximately a thousand times more jew-aware inside than Trump is.

    Replies: @WhatEvvs, @Forbes

    If there’s ever a guy (or gal – Marine and now Frauke Petry types) running for the Trumpist party with the analytical mind, sense of elite decorum, calm-intelligent affect, and spotless scandal-armored personal life that people say they wish Trump had, you can be sure they’ll still be labeled misogynist, war-mongering, fascist Nazi racist haters….

    The times may change, but the name-calling remains the same.

  105. @Almost Missouri
    @Lot


    "Much better is to try to divide such elites."
     
    The elites are already divided. Trump and fellow travelers are the division.

    So are you going to support the division?

    Replies: @guest

    You can divide the U.S. into Rhode Island and the rest of them. Trump’s share of the elites doesn’t even rise to that level.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @guest

    Agreed.

    Unfortunately, that may be as good as it gets.

  106. @BB753
    @Lot

    "I think I recently read that not a single Fortune 500 CEO has donated to Trump."

    Big money only respects political power. They have no principles. If Trump makes it to the White House they'll be licking his ass and asking for forgiveness.

    "Sure, but stopping third world immigration is about 1000 times more important than getting rid of NAFTA/GATT. "


    It's all part of the same package. For globalists, goods, money and people are the same stuff they shuffle over borders. People are like cattle to them.

    Replies: @Forbes

    For globalists, goods, money and people are the same stuff they shuffle over borders. People are like cattle to them.

    Yup. Free trade includes the free movement of peoples.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
    @Forbes


    Yup. Free trade includes the free movement of peoples.
     
    No, it doesn't. It refers to trade in goods and services.
  107. I think I recently read that not a single Fortune 500 CEO has donated to Trump.

    In Kevin MacDonald’s recent piece here.

  108. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Cagey Beast

    The Bollywood actress who was onstage with Trump (scroll down) is an Indian identical twin of Ivanka.

    Replies: @Elsewhere, @jimmyriddle

    “One onstage skit featured two dancing couples who were abruptly interrupted by robed, bearded men with fake machine guns masquerading as terrorists. Only after they carried out a mock execution, did men and women dressed as police officials come on stage and “shoot” them. Then the police officials and couples danced a number before transitioning into the American national anthem. ”

    ROFL.

    Why weren’t these guys at the GOP convention?

  109. OTOH, this Wikileak about Mensch convinced me never to look at HeatStreet again. Now I know what she and Murdoch are up to with HS: They’re just trying to harvest alt-right and alt-lite and normiecon frustration with political correctness as clickbait and for clicks and to make money, not actually do anything about it. To wit: The owner of HS is Rupert Murdoch. Who also owns FNC, WSJ, NYP.

  110. @German_reader
    That stupid Mensch woman was a MP for the Conservatives in Britain...probably tells you all you need to know about Cameron's "modernization" of the party.
    Depressing that someone dumb/uneducated enough to have never heard of Theodore Herzl can get a well-paid career in politics and journalism.

    Replies: @Dr. X, @g2k

    She was a reasonably respected author of “chick-lit” before she got her seat. Have no time to read such things, so I have no idea whether it’s any good or not, probably not. Obviously at the time she ticked all of the right boxes. Archetypal wandering, mid-atlantic anglo politically; metro-liberal, economically right of centre, rabidly russophobic, increasingly neocon, hardcore altalticist. She has quite stilted speech and can’t really think on her feet, this might amuse you if you haven’t seen it before:

  111. @Lot
    Louise has a pretty ritzy upper-class gentry background, her grandfather did this, his grandfather was noted for that.

    Her sister Tilly Bagshawe also seems to have married a Jew, Robin Nydes, a former investment banker and current semi-retired hedge fund manager.

    It took me a while to Jew-detect Mr. Nydes. It is a very rare last name, either Danish or Polish from what I can tell. The only other man I could find who has that surname was a fairly famous American psychologist named Jule Nydes who died in 1973 and was married a English-American gentile hippie who had a very long retirement dabbling in touch theory and Indian mysticism in Santa Fe.

    Tilly got pregnant at age 17 and named her daughter Persephone (hope you recognize that name from Greek mythology), went to Cambridge as a single mother, and is a best-selling novelist, starting from her first one. She married Nydes when she was 28 and has had two boys with him, with the more normal names of Zac and Theo, rather than perhaps her initial inclination of Hades and Minotaur.

    http://imgur.com/a/ssKqz

    Replies: @ben tillman, @bored identity

    Stop vanity-fairing nonabee creatures….

    Plus, you ‘re waisting Ron’s bandwith juice that could be used for some decent Saileristic image-content.

  112. @jimmyriddle
    @Randal

    She was a loud Brexiteer, so a Murdochist rather than a Sorosite.

    She was/is a chick-lit writer and was parachuted into a constituency up north. The prospect of spending her weekends in Corby (where the trouser-presses don't come from) didn't appeal.

    Replies: @Randal, @g2k

    She was a loud Brexiteer, so a Murdochist rather than a Sorosite.

    She was/is a chick-lit writer and was parachuted into a constituency up north. The prospect of spending her weekends in Corby (where the trouser-presses don’t come from) didn’t appeal.

    Yes, interesting divergence there. It’s also strange since once the Brexit negotiations get fully underway and in all likelihood become acrimonious, the UK and EU will consume most of their energy squabbling with each other, rather than on pushing altalticism further into the former soviet union and whitewashing Wahabbis. The “Sorosites” certainly noticed this and made it clear that was one of their chief objections to Brexit. I guess deep down, whilst the “murdochists” do subscribe to exactly the same shibboleths, it just isn’t the be all and end all of existence for them.

  113. @BB753
    @unpc downunder

    I'm fine with tariffs and protectionism. There can be no fair trade if only some countries do away with borders and tariffs. The Chinese are guilty in this respect. " Fair trade" doesn't probably translate into Mandarin.

    Replies: @John Derbyshire, @Stebbing Heuer

    In Europe, the laissez-faire movement was first widely promoted by the physiocrats, a movement that originated with Vincent de Gournay, a successful merchant. Gournay adopted the concept, which is the translation of Chinese philosophy wu wei, from François Quesnay’s writings on China.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire#Europe

    OK, so it’s not precisely free trade, but it’s not hard to get from one to the other.

    I can’t find a link, but my understanding is that there was cross-cultural discussion happening between China and Europe (specifically, France) prior to the French revolution. It was either one of the Physiocrats or Turgot who was tutoring some Chinese students in economics around that time. They most likely shared ideas about ways to answer the four questions of political economy.

    Of course, attitudes in Imperial China towards free trade likely haven’t survived their way into the 21st century.

  114. @Forbes
    @BB753


    For globalists, goods, money and people are the same stuff they shuffle over borders. People are like cattle to them.
     
    Yup. Free trade includes the free movement of peoples.

    Replies: @Stebbing Heuer

    Yup. Free trade includes the free movement of peoples.

    No, it doesn’t. It refers to trade in goods and services.

  115. @Desiderius
    @Reg Cæsar


    An awful lot of Louises were born in England about 35 or so years ago. What’s up with that? Some TV character?
     
    Probably the Jeffersons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeD3jolwn0o

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah, but it never caught on here. Usually “cool” names in England show up here a generation later. But no Louises, nor Florences, to be found in our middle schools yet.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Reg Cæsar

    I was joking, although in retrospect I wouldn't at all mind if my daughter turned out like Weezy. She's good people.

    We could use some more Weezys, Floridas, and LaMonts.

  116. Yup. Free trade includes the free movement of peoples.

    Only insofar as slavery is legal.

  117. Sorry I’m late to this party. But did wish to make one note:

    We Jews (yes, I’m one) are the wealthiest religious group in America and the second richest ethnic group behind Indian-Americans.

    That ‘second-richest ethnic group’ thing actually referred to a study of median income, not wealth. In wealth, it’s not even close, and the mean wealth figures are the kinds of things which foment revolutions. One of a few reasons you won’t be seeing them anywhere. Almost.

  118. @Reg Cæsar
    @Desiderius

    Yeah, but it never caught on here. Usually "cool" names in England show up here a generation later. But no Louises, nor Florences, to be found in our middle schools yet.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I was joking, although in retrospect I wouldn’t at all mind if my daughter turned out like Weezy. She’s good people.

    We could use some more Weezys, Floridas, and LaMonts.

  119. I’m the author of this piece. Thanks for pointing that out. Next time I’ll be sure to use wealth, not median income.

  120. @guest
    @Almost Missouri

    You can divide the U.S. into Rhode Island and the rest of them. Trump's share of the elites doesn't even rise to that level.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Agreed.

    Unfortunately, that may be as good as it gets.

  121. Let’s do a thought experiment and imagine that the Arabs had gotten the better of the Israelis in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War and after years of conflict, all that was left of Israel was the Gaza strip.

    Assume for a moment that instead of Palestinians, over 1.8 million Jews were crammed into the 11 mile Gaza strip and the state of Palestine, subsidized and supported by a superpower, was administering the calories to the Jews in Gaza, keeping them to a limit of 2,300 a day.

    Imagine that instead of Palestinian children, it was Jewish children living under a Palestinian embargo that denied them toys, books, music and until a few years ago, even pasta. How do you think the world would react? Imagine if it were Palestinian commandos who had assaulted a peaceful cargo ship attempting to break the embargo to bring supplies to Jews in Gaza, killing nine, including one American. Do you think 85 US Senators would have signed a letter supporting the embargo on Gaza and the deadly attack on the cargo ship if that ship had been on a humanatarian mission to help Jews in Gaza?

    Read more: https://brutalist.press/posts/542/what-if-children-dying-in-gaza-were-jews?spread_id=29b6137b-fc3a-436d-98d3-e3b693dc84dd

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