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From the New York Times:

The Legislation That Targets the Racist Impacts of Tech

A proposed law would make big companies determine whether their algorithms discriminate, but it’s lacking in some big ways.

By Margot E. Kaminski and Andrew D. Selbst
Ms. Kaminski is a law professor and Mr. Selbst is a postdoctoral scholar.

May 7, 2019

In the wake of recent revelations about biased algorithms, congressional Democrats have proposed a bill that would require large companies to determine whether the algorithms they’re using result in discrimination, and work to correct them if they do.

The bill, called the Algorithmic Accountability Act and introduced last month by Senator Ron Wyden, Senator Cory Booker and Representative Yvette D. Clarke, is a good start, but it may not be robust enough to hold tech companies accountable.

When creating a machine-learning algorithm, designers have to make many choices: what data to train it on, what specific questions to ask, how to use predictions that the algorithm produces. These choices leave room for discrimination, particularly against people who have been discriminated against in the past. For example, training an algorithm to select potential medical students on a data set that reflects longtime biases against women and people of color may make these groups less likely to be admitted. In computing, the phrase “garbage in, garbage out” describes how poor-quality input leads to poor-quality output. In this case we might say, “White male doctors in, white male doctors out.”

And that’s why there are so few nonwhite and/or nonmale medical students these days.

 
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  1. I wonder if blacks, in either a large minority or a small majority, will ever come to the conclusion they’re being played. And the thing is, I don’t think so. Late at night, ‘Blackish’ is on TV while I’m puttering around on the computer. There’s some self-aware stuff, but really not that much.

    The had a good deal going with AA but I guess the grass is always greener on the other side. Mexicans, Orientals, south asians have no use for that crap, unless it furthers their interests. It does not in the first group, but as to the others, we shall see.

    • Replies: @bomag

    ...come to the conclusion they’re being played
     
    Are they being played? They seem plum happy with the way things are going. Plenty of YT remains for looting; if the Orientals or Mexicans become ascendant, then that's just another group they need to roll in service to wealth transfer.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    South Tex, so that no one else here has to view it, I watched a bit of "The Chi", a new HBO series about blacks in Chicago. They couldn't stick one more stereotype into it without making it comedy. Played indeed.
    , @Pirelli
    “The had a good deal going with AA but I guess the grass is always greener on the other side. Mexicans, Orientals, south asians have no use for that crap, unless it furthers their interests. It does not in the first group, but as to the others, we shall see.”

    Are you saying AA does not further the interests of Hispanics, but we’ll see if it furthers the interests of East and South Asians? As it’s currently constituted, AA clearly does *not* further the interests of Asians, but it very much furthers the interests of Hispanics, particularly wealthy Hispanics (who tend to have predominately European ancestry).

    Agreed that blacks will be worse off under a political system increasingly dominated by Asians / Hispanics who don’t share whites’ sentimentalism (and guilt complex).
  2. I want to watch someone ask Booker what an algorithm is. There are some words it’s better laymen never learn.

    • LOL: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Jack D
    Remember Sen. Ted Stevens and the internet as "series of tubes"?
    , @Buffalo Joe
    guest, sport talk show hosts throw out the word constantly, but I doubt they could define it.
    , @Olorin
    You beat me to it.

    a bill that would require large companies to determine whether the algorithms they’re using result in discrimination, and work to correct them if they do.
     
    Procedures laid out to accomplish a task or solve a problem by definition DISCRIMINATE. Otherwise they wouldn't accomplish or solve anything.

    Like a Senator or Congressman.


    discriminate (v.)
    1620s, "distinguish from something else or from each other, observe or mark the differences between," from Latin discriminatus, past participle of discriminare "to divide, separate," from discrimen (genitive discriminis) "interval, distinction, difference," derived noun from discernere "to separate, set apart, divide, distribute; distinguish, perceive," from dis- "off, away" (see dis-) + cernere "distinguish, separate, sift" (from PIE root *krei- "to sieve," thus "discriminate, distinguish").
     
    You can see why this would be anathema to the likes of Booker and his merry band of resistance minstrels.
    , @Alpheus Knight
    There are many algorithms. The primary one, I believe, is the macarena.
    , @Barnard
    Read Booker's Twitter thread on the urgent need for this legislation from April 10th. It is just like the "real estate steering" his parents suffered from 50 years ago.

    https://twitter.com/SenBooker/status/1116064120032329729

    I am going to go with, he wouldn't be able to explain it. He might answer, "it's like the Matrix."

  3. Coming soon: the Per Capita Abolition Act, outlawing the measure of things by head.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    Most people don't understand it anyway, particularly since understanding it leads directly to Bad Thoughts.

    We don't really have to outlaw words and thoughts anymore. We just call them racist and watch them get "deplatformed".

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Coming soon: the Per Capita Abolition Act, outlawing the measure of things by head.
     
    That would tare us apart.


    https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-errhy7umuu/images/stencil/830x518/uploaded_images/zero-vs-tare.png?t=1537624525
    , @International Jew
    Yes. Other things whose abolition would work to the dumbass left's advantage: conditional probability, awareness of cause vs effect, multicausal explanations of any kind.
  4. wren says:

    A friend recently brought a bunch of local middle school students to the “VEX World Robotics Championships” in Louisville.

    “How did you do?” I asked.

    “Our best!” he replied.

    “Just making the trip was a victory for us!”

    Voice lowered, he said “The Chinese kids are aggressive.”

    It appears that Chinese teams took the top few spots, ignoring the “best spirit” categories, etc.

    https://www.robotevents.com/robot-competitions/vex-robotics-competition/RE-VRC-18-6083.html

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which “spirit awards” will offer little consolation.

    • Replies: @El Dato


    REESE (slow, but intense)

    Listen. Understand. That Terminator is out there. It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with... it doesn't feel pity of remorse or fear... and it is Chinese-made.

    Becky slumps in utter resignation.

     

    , @Anonymous
    I am a tech guy who does about 50% of my work in AI. The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology and they are accelerating, increasing their lead. "American" companies mask this fact by opening R&D centers in China to tap into the Chinese talent pool. It's doubtful that the U.S. could catch up to the Chinese in an unimpeded market, but legislation like this will simply drive more R&D to China, making Chinese dominance certain.

    SJWs and feminists are like an infectious parasitic disease against which the West has lost immunity. We deserve our fate.
    , @AnotherDad

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which “spirit awards” will offer little consolation.
     
    Yep.

    One over arching theme, i see from goodthinkers is that while they pose as "globalists" and "comopolitans" they really have this very narrow view of the world with their fellow goodthinkers as normative--the only impediment being shedding--and shredding--the legacy of white racists.

    As i've said before, "the most parochial 'cosmopolitans' the world has ever seen.

    All this sort of thing would do--if effective--is destroy the tech industry in the US. Say some Silly Valley developer can't build their anti-crime Android app because their AI is "racist"--which inevitably such AI would be. The Chinese--heck Indians, Russians, Eastern Europeans, Israelis--will just build the AI that works--i.e. is "racist".


    This is like feminism and minoritarianism and the West's collapse. Yep, you can impose a looney ideology and destroy the West--that goal seems to be happening. But you can't repeal the laws of nature. Some people of some race and culture are going to have sane policies--are going to have babies and keep out foreigners ... and they will take over.

    All stupidity does is hand the world to someone else.
    , @Abe

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which “spirit awards” will offer little consolation.

     

    A play on Steve’s idea- write a pilot episode spec script set 80 years in the future where 2 AI computer entity roommates get in all sorts of zany adventures together. One is a massively parallel, massively politically incorrect Chinese AI, the other is an ur-soi American AI with a calm, uptalking voice that makes the average NPR announcer sound like he’s demonicallly possessed by the ghost of Sam Kinnison. Despite initial successes in every episode it is the woke American AI that comes out ahead in the end, teaching Chinese AI a life lesson. But in terms of audience favorites (just like with ALL IN THE FAMILY, SIMPSONS) it is the rude, crude, illiberal character that becomes the clear breakout winner.
  5. I’m sure they do this in China.

  6. To paraphrase Bowling For Soup, “NYT is preoccupied with 1955”. That’s the only way these articles make sense.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    The don’t make sense and aren’t meant to any more than modern art is intended to be beautiful or a password is intended to have meaning.
  7. Clyde says:

    Booker and Kamala Harris are about the same age and both on the Senate Judiciary Committee that gets them TV face time to try to take down Judge Kavanaugh. To make other mischief too. Kams is fairly effective, she has sharp elbows while Booker flounders around. An interesting contrast between these very light skin people who are put forth as representatives of US Blacks. The two bobble head Beyonces of the US Senate.

    At least the effete, bi-racial Obama felt compelled to man up, married the very black, street cred worthy Mooochelle while these two have punked out.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I'm not so sure that Princess Kamala "punked out". Yeah sure, she's got a white hubby now, but when you consider that she got shagged rotten and passed around by Willie Brown at his swinger parties, you might amend your conclusion to say she got punked out.
  8. More to the rubber meets the road kind of thing, this is another version of ‘fact checking.’

    A decade or so, maybe more, back, Dems were all up with only allowing ‘credintialed’ reporters into gov’t functions, press conferences, etc. Anyway, I’m sure Booker is going to be making sweet, sweet love to his new girlfriend tonight. After he calls Buttijudge to ask him where the v#$#$3 is.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  9. If nothing else, this kind of stuff will put AI advancement into a quagmire. I have no problem with that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It will put AI advancement in a quagmire IN AMERICA. You can be sure that the Chinese will not pay the slightest attention to any of this. I'm not so sure that crippling your toaster so that Corey Booker feels better about his "blackness" (high yallerness?) is really a great idea.
    , @lhtness
    There's a part of me that wonders if this might be the solution to our fears about AI: Don't allow the use of data that reflects reality. The use of "Garbage in, garbage out" is pretty amazing, when you realize that "garbage in" means "real data".

    The basic issue is the same as with "stereotypes". People aren't supposed to notice a great many things, and now "biased algorithms" is the equivalent of when computers as-if-notice the same things.
  10. The bill, called the Algorithmic Accountability Act

    Ha, ha. Awesome.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Algorithmic Accountability Act
     
    It's about time. Math and Science have a lot to answer for.

    And I've a feeling our new 'leaders' will be just the people to make it happen.
  11. The topic of AI and feminism has been popping up with some regularity in the last couple of years. It was only a matter of time before racism and AI became a topic of intense concern to0.

    What makes an algorithm feminist, and why we need them to be.

    Female AI: The Intersection Between Gender and Contemporary Artificial Intelligence.

    Women must act now, or male-designed robots will take over our lives

    • Replies: @Jack D
    We need to legislate that in case of any Trolley Problem situation, the trolley is programmed to preferentially run over white males. You could put Diversity Pokemon points into the AI so 1 black would have the same weight in the algorithm as 5 white women or 10 white guys.
    , @fish
    What makes an algorithm feminist, and why we need them to be.

    "Marcelo Rinesi is the IEET’s Chief Technology Officer, and former Assistant Director. Mr. Rinesi is a freelance Data Intelligence Analyst. Mr. Rinesi has published articles related to technology, business and culture in Wired, Computer Bits, Canada’s Your Workplace, and Student Traveler. He is also a fiction writer, and has published a short SF novella The Ontociders and a collection of SF short stories, The Fatou Entries"
     
    Male Feminist: Check

    Aspiring SF author: Check

    Never been laid: Check
  12. Off topic:

    White Becky Raped By Homeless Man, Progressive Outrage Ensues

    https://hotair.com/archives/2019/05/07/seattle-woman-raped-homeless-man-told-story-progressive-backlash-began/

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    Interesting new angle there was how they used the concept of “triggering” to try to actually shut up a real trauma victim (on the pretext that hearing the story may upset hypothetical trauma victims).

    I’m wondering if we’ll see that as a new general approach to squelch other inconvenient stories when disfavored groups are victimized by protected groups.
    , @Alden
    I have relatives in Seattle. We talk several times a week. It’s getting crazier and crazier. The pot shops are everywhere. They’re cash businesses. So the homeless congregate outside to beg. The shoplifting laws are not enforced. So between shoppers reluctant to deal with the aggressive homeless beggars and legalized shoplifting, small businesses are leaving.
  13. Given the dominance of non-white programmers, one can only wonder how much of AI code is written by them; if it is the majority, then is HBD playing out in that they write flawed code, or is the code they write so woke that it outstrips the feeble minds that wrote it and selects the superior intelligence? Or do the supremacists/separatists still control the AI battlespace, as Booker seems to imply?

  14. Algorithms must never commit the crime of noticing.

  15. Gee, mustn’t notice things like GPA or MCAT scores! Presumably the authors as saying that if an algorithm is used to help select in admissions and it somehow doesn’t produce an acceptance rate that has blacks at the same percentage as their share of the population, it must be racist and therefore tweaked to get the result they do want.

    I wonder if the genesis of this concern is really med school – my guess is it’s more related to the results one gets in dating apps.

  16. @wren
    A friend recently brought a bunch of local middle school students to the "VEX World Robotics Championships" in Louisville.

    "How did you do?" I asked.

    "Our best!" he replied.

    "Just making the trip was a victory for us!"

    Voice lowered, he said "The Chinese kids are aggressive."

    It appears that Chinese teams took the top few spots, ignoring the "best spirit" categories, etc.

    https://www.robotevents.com/robot-competitions/vex-robotics-competition/RE-VRC-18-6083.html

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which "spirit awards" will offer little consolation.

    REESE (slow, but intense)

    Listen. Understand. That Terminator is out there. It can’t be reasoned with, it can’t be bargained with… it doesn’t feel pity of remorse or fear… and it is Chinese-made.

    Becky slumps in utter resignation.

  17. Reminder that this AI they are talking about is not Artificially Intelligent. It’s high-end feature extraction and statistical processing.

    Want “predictable outcomes”?

    Just take the Woke Cheat Sheet with appropriately-sized colored areas on an X-Y grid and a die. Then do a “random trial” by selecting a grid entry using the die as random-number generator. The under-represented minority corresponding to the color of the selected grid entry gets the job!

    Anyway, tutorial about “fairness”

  18. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:

    “Kamala Harris is fairly effective, she has sharp elbows while Booker flounders around.”

    Harris’s big disadvantage is that she comes off as mean, which could be construed as threatening to a lot of black men; marrying a white, well-off nerd doesn’t help her chances either, so I think she overcompensates. She’d do well to paint herself as more down-to-earth by going to a college football game or something.

    “I wonder if the genesis of this concern is really med school”

    True. Blacks are the beneficiaries of enormous racial discrimination against white males in medical school admissions. A lot of whites have had their life’s plans ruined because, despite being more qualified than other minority candidates, they were the wrong skin color. How many white PAs or CNPs are out there who could have easily been medical doctors in an earlier time and a saner age?

    • Replies: @HammerJack

    Harris’s big disadvantage is that she comes off as mean
     
    Harris's big disadvantage is that she comes across as dumb.
    , @SimpleSong

    A lot of whites have had their life’s plans ruined because, despite being more qualified than other minority candidates, they were the wrong skin color. How many white PAs or CNPs are out there who could have easily been medical doctors in an earlier time and a saner age?
     
    When I left academic medicine a while ago it was about 30% unqualified browns in the medical school classes, so I assume it is much worse now. Some observations on this phenomenon:

    Unlike Law school, it takes a lot of resources to educate a physician. You need more than just lecture halls; things like cadaver labs are necessary, as well as physicians who are OK with having annoying medical students gum up their day. So these wasted seats are a real waste of resources.

    A lot of the qualified but rejected white students do the following:

    1.) go to an osteopathic medical school (D.O. not M.D.) Considered slightly less prestigious but there are no differences in practice restrictions. They can do anything M.D.s can. Patients are catching on that white DO >> black MD.
    2.) go to a Caribbean medical school.

    These institutions tend to not value diversity that much. However their cost is completely paid by the students and so they are _expensive_. Which precludes anyone but the wealthiest kids from going there. So, surprise, the middle class white kid is screwed.

    PA/NP school is an option for those types. I actually think this is why you are starting to see a blurring between nursing and physician roles. The right of the PA bell curve is now more competent than the left of the MD curve, due to the diversity stuff. So the whole argument for MDs (more expensive but tighter quality control and can handle the difficult stuff) basically goes away. Hasn't affected surgeons too much but primary care, OB, anesthesia; these guys are getting killed.

    Training female physicians is a bit more nuanced. They tend to work a lot less than male physicians, so insofar as those training slots are a scarce resource that society should carefully conserve it's a bad decision. On the other hand most women don't want a male OB-GYN and many don't want a male dermatologist or anyone else who routinely looks at them naked. And medicine is not like computer science or engineering, I don't see any competence difference between the sexes. In fact women have extremely good fine motor skills so they often make good surgeons, although they tend to hone their skills less so the old men tend to be better than the old women.

  19. @Clyde
    Booker and Kamala Harris are about the same age and both on the Senate Judiciary Committee that gets them TV face time to try to take down Judge Kavanaugh. To make other mischief too. Kams is fairly effective, she has sharp elbows while Booker flounders around. An interesting contrast between these very light skin people who are put forth as representatives of US Blacks. The two bobble head Beyonces of the US Senate.

    At least the effete, bi-racial Obama felt compelled to man up, married the very black, street cred worthy Mooochelle while these two have punked out.

    I’m not so sure that Princess Kamala “punked out”. Yeah sure, she’s got a white hubby now, but when you consider that she got shagged rotten and passed around by Willie Brown at his swinger parties, you might amend your conclusion to say she got punked out.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    Princess Kamala “punked out”. Yeah sure, she’s got a white hubby now, but when you consider that she got shagged rotten and passed around by Willie Brown at his swinger parties,
     
    These swinger's parties must come out if Kams becomes a threat. Would be muy delicioso to see Miss Blinded Arrogance taken down a few pegs. Those parties were away in little town Sacramento, one would think.
  20. It will be illegal to pass the Turing test, because blacks can’t pass it.

  21. Now that Google is going to offer 3D Augmented Reality objects to their search results, you can do more than just see that a list of “American Scientists” consists mostly of black people. You will actually see that most “American Scientists” are black because you will see them all around you!

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/7/18528209/google-lens-ar-search-augmented-reality-camera-adroid-assistant-photos-app-io-2019

    This fixes everything!

  22. Anonymous [AKA "AIGuy"] says:
    @wren
    A friend recently brought a bunch of local middle school students to the "VEX World Robotics Championships" in Louisville.

    "How did you do?" I asked.

    "Our best!" he replied.

    "Just making the trip was a victory for us!"

    Voice lowered, he said "The Chinese kids are aggressive."

    It appears that Chinese teams took the top few spots, ignoring the "best spirit" categories, etc.

    https://www.robotevents.com/robot-competitions/vex-robotics-competition/RE-VRC-18-6083.html

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which "spirit awards" will offer little consolation.

    I am a tech guy who does about 50% of my work in AI. The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology and they are accelerating, increasing their lead. “American” companies mask this fact by opening R&D centers in China to tap into the Chinese talent pool. It’s doubtful that the U.S. could catch up to the Chinese in an unimpeded market, but legislation like this will simply drive more R&D to China, making Chinese dominance certain.

    SJWs and feminists are like an infectious parasitic disease against which the West has lost immunity. We deserve our fate.

    • Replies: @res

    The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology and they are accelerating, increasing their lead.
     
    Is the AI literature still overwhelmingly in English? I think the point when we are really and truly done is when things like that (and others, like reserve currency status for the dollar) change.
    , @jbwilson24
    "I am a tech guy who does about 50% of my work in AI. The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology"

    What does that mean exactly? Most of the big name AI researchers are in the USA or Canada.

    Do you mean that there are more companies over there? I have my doubts if there is some secret sauce that the Chinese know about that they haven't shared with the rest of the world.

    Dedicated hardware for machine learning? NVidia is still in the lead as far as I know.

    Larger talent pool?
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology and they are accelerating, increasing their lead.
     
    Well, what do you expect from a race of robots?
  23. @South Texas Guy
    I wonder if blacks, in either a large minority or a small majority, will ever come to the conclusion they're being played. And the thing is, I don't think so. Late at night, 'Blackish' is on TV while I'm puttering around on the computer. There's some self-aware stuff, but really not that much.

    The had a good deal going with AA but I guess the grass is always greener on the other side. Mexicans, Orientals, south asians have no use for that crap, unless it furthers their interests. It does not in the first group, but as to the others, we shall see.

    …come to the conclusion they’re being played

    Are they being played? They seem plum happy with the way things are going. Plenty of YT remains for looting; if the Orientals or Mexicans become ascendant, then that’s just another group they need to roll in service to wealth transfer.

  24. @guest
    I want to watch someone ask Booker what an algorithm is. There are some words it's better laymen never learn.

    Remember Sen. Ted Stevens and the internet as “series of tubes”?

  25. @PiltdownMan
    The topic of AI and feminism has been popping up with some regularity in the last couple of years. It was only a matter of time before racism and AI became a topic of intense concern to0.


    What makes an algorithm feminist, and why we need them to be.

    Female AI: The Intersection Between Gender and Contemporary Artificial Intelligence.

    Women must act now, or male-designed robots will take over our lives

    We need to legislate that in case of any Trolley Problem situation, the trolley is programmed to preferentially run over white males. You could put Diversity Pokemon points into the AI so 1 black would have the same weight in the algorithm as 5 white women or 10 white guys.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Or--who knows--perhaps come up with some kind of a 'three-fifths' rule?
  26. It makes sense for them to attack AI as part of the war on noticing. A proper AI makes outcome based predictions. We know that blacks have worse outcomes in most situations (lower test scores, higher crime rates, etc.) so that if you ask AI to say pick a doctor for you, it’s not going to be like the commercials on TV where the doctor is black 90% of the time.

    OTOH, if you “fix” the AI so it doesn’t look at those factors that make blacks look bad, then the AI itself becomes worthless – you can’t be “realist” without being “race realist”. Probably a “fair” compromise is to allow the AI to do its thing so that it works most of the time (e.g. distinguishes good from bad white doctors) but then give blacks “affirmative action” in the algorithm just like we do in real life – you spot blacks x number of points on the MCAT. The problem with this is it’s probably illegal too – the S. Ct. has said that being black is allowed to be a sort of vague handwavy “factor” but you are not allowed to have a strict numeric quota where you just mechanically add points to the black column. Some of the big state U’s that get too many applications to do true “holistic” admissions were doing that and it was a little bit too explicit for the justices’ comfort. Maybe you can use “fuzzy logic” in the code so that it’s not entirely obvious that blacks are getting exactly X Wokemon points.

    • Agree: res
  27. I think we need to change the algorithm we use to select Senators.

    • Replies: @res
    I don't think it is a coincidence that moving to a popular vote for the Senate in 1913 preceded many changes in the US:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    There are many other causes (and the 17th amendment is probably at least as much effect as cause), but I do think it was important.
  28. Congressional Critters are worried about the need for Woke doctor-selection algorithms that guide Americans via hidden social-engineering projects. Those might even be financed by algorithmic advertising as targeted social engineering.

    Exotic coastal techies are associated with the production of hip mobile-entertainment products—what Kunstler cleverly calls the “holographic economy.” But I often wonder if the techies’ ad-based business model has expanded into grittier, more grown-up, more pedestrian territory.

    Is the SV Empire extending Surveillance Tech into the already invasive realm of financial services, possibly using the hipster 22 year olds with the $200k salaries, but more likely with the assistance of all of those Indian temp-visa workers that have increased in volume under Trump?

    Kunstler is right in his latest article that Elites are stoking the regional drama queens in a messy American “divorce,” and it’s a divorce caused mostly by economic issues, even though Elites, including the political ones, prefer to keep the serfs’ animus directed elsewhere.

    A good way to get Déplorables to sign the divorce papers is by continuing to flood the country with womb-productive welfare-qualified immigrants from Latin America and elsewhere, adding to all of the wage-undercutting single moms who can afford to work part time for beans.

    Womb-productivity-based welfare is the Bread in the Bread and Circuses. And the welfare-eligible womb producers are the ones at the bottom with the money for the Circuses, possibly explaining some of the Woke mobile content, but not so much the broadcast MSM since most of the welfare eligible are not registered to vote.

    [MORE]

    But to them it doesn’t matter whether a temp job pays a little more; they can just drop the welfare during months when they go over the earned-income limits. Single moms are financially advantaged by the part-time jobs that are so stressful for single people living on earned-only income. Part-time jobs help the despairing single moms stay under the earned-income limits for welfare every month.

    They have rent, food and electricity covered by goverment, plus lots of help from the kids’ grandparents in most cases. Along with their wages from the part-time & temp jobs of the gig economy, monthly cash assistance and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash, desperate single moms should (and do) have the extra cash to partake in consumerism.

    It’s one reason why tattoo parlors and nail salons are among the few small-business holdouts in the heartland. Welfare-qualified moms spread the economic joy to the coasts with trips with boyfriends to beach hotels in FL, financed by refundable child tax credits. They brag about it at work.

    The despairing classes are mostly middle-aged and older, much more divorced or never married than past generations, not in (or no longer in) a position to supplement income from part-time or temp jobs with pay for womb-productive sex from government. They far less illusionistic about this economy, hence the despair.

    The fathers of the single mothers’ children are among this group in some cases. Their fatherhood role has been neutered by the welfare-rigged economic system, and many live under the harsh thumbs of their mommas or, in some cases, their less authoritarian grandmommas. They don’t have “independent” apartments financed by Uncle Sam.

    It’s not just them, though, and there are still a few male-dominated, working-class jobs that have not yet been devoured by welfare-eligible illegal aliens or automation. Those male-dominated job categories at least pay enough to cover rent on a shabby, one-room apartment, not so much for the many single, childless females and single moms with kids over 18, living on earned-only income, navigating the always-low-paying female-dominated jobs, made even less promising by all of those welfare-aided moms soaking up the part-time / temp jobs in this churn-job economy.

    Many outside of the economic rigging have disengaged from the economy altogether——-95 million citizens of working age who are not counted as unemployed, unlike the 7 million recent applicants for Unemployment Compensation.

    It’s not the welfare-qualified mommas who’re out of the labor force; they’re one reason for the “historically high” rates of female participation in the labor force. They and the married moms, supplementing ample spousal income with a little keeping-up-with-Jones’ money, are the main reason that half of all “employed” Americans work part time.

    The concept of a non-welfare-eligible, sole breadwinner was essential to jobs with breadwinner wages. When employers large and small-scale started screening for moms with “somethin’ comin’ in” in interviews, a real economy ceased to exist for a massive chunk of non-welfare-qualified, non-married breadwinners in the bottom 80%.

    • Replies: @Another German Reader
    Don't worry, this ponzi-sheme will end soon. In Northern-America & Western Europe. There are still enough White middle-class men around to keep the scam running.

    When they retire, the Endgame will start.

    You will see how thin the mask of civilization really is.

    That will also will be the point when many artificially kept-alive people in the developing world will die due the lack of foreign-aid, relief-aid and food-donations.

    The Confucian era will begin and it will be harsh.
  29. White male doctors are garbage. Okay, good to know.

  30. @guest
    Coming soon: the Per Capita Abolition Act, outlawing the measure of things by head.

    Most people don’t understand it anyway, particularly since understanding it leads directly to Bad Thoughts.

    We don’t really have to outlaw words and thoughts anymore. We just call them racist and watch them get “deplatformed”.

  31. @benjaminl
    Off topic:

    White Becky Raped By Homeless Man, Progressive Outrage Ensues

    https://hotair.com/archives/2019/05/07/seattle-woman-raped-homeless-man-told-story-progressive-backlash-began/

    Interesting new angle there was how they used the concept of “triggering” to try to actually shut up a real trauma victim (on the pretext that hearing the story may upset hypothetical trauma victims).

    I’m wondering if we’ll see that as a new general approach to squelch other inconvenient stories when disfavored groups are victimized by protected groups.

  32. Artificial General Intelligence theory is based on two components corresponding roughly to “what is” and “what ought”:

    Algorithmic Information Theory and Sequential Decision Theory.

    Algorithmic Information Theory = “what is”

    Sequential Decision Theory = “what ought”

    AIT is ruthless in its discovery of bias in data presented to it, and calling it out as bias so as to discover what is.

    SDT then places a value system on “what is” the likely consequence of various sequences of decisions: Their expected value.

    Anyone serious about eliminating bias will require serious application of AIT to a wide range of longitudinal data.

  33. The quantification of reality, aka data, must conform to my feelings, sayeth the blacks and the wahmens.

  34. I have an idea.

    The industry must insist on a formal functional spec before proceeding to comply.

  35. fish says:
    @PiltdownMan
    The topic of AI and feminism has been popping up with some regularity in the last couple of years. It was only a matter of time before racism and AI became a topic of intense concern to0.


    What makes an algorithm feminist, and why we need them to be.

    Female AI: The Intersection Between Gender and Contemporary Artificial Intelligence.

    Women must act now, or male-designed robots will take over our lives

    What makes an algorithm feminist, and why we need them to be.

    “Marcelo Rinesi is the IEET’s Chief Technology Officer, and former Assistant Director. Mr. Rinesi is a freelance Data Intelligence Analyst. Mr. Rinesi has published articles related to technology, business and culture in Wired, Computer Bits, Canada’s Your Workplace, and Student Traveler. He is also a fiction writer, and has published a short SF novella The Ontociders and a collection of SF short stories, The Fatou Entries”

    Male Feminist: Check

    Aspiring SF author: Check

    Never been laid: Check

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Never been laid: Check

    https://ieet.org/images/medium_MarceloRinesi.png
  36. I’m not sure what the problem is. From a philology standpoint, it is quite clear that the “algorithm” was created by Al Gore and his signature Al Gore rhythm, which is like totally woke and all the things, so presumably there’s nothing to worry about.

  37. @Redneck farmer
    To paraphrase Bowling For Soup, "NYT is preoccupied with 1955". That's the only way these articles make sense.

    The don’t make sense and aren’t meant to any more than modern art is intended to be beautiful or a password is intended to have meaning.

  38. @South Texas Guy
    I wonder if blacks, in either a large minority or a small majority, will ever come to the conclusion they're being played. And the thing is, I don't think so. Late at night, 'Blackish' is on TV while I'm puttering around on the computer. There's some self-aware stuff, but really not that much.

    The had a good deal going with AA but I guess the grass is always greener on the other side. Mexicans, Orientals, south asians have no use for that crap, unless it furthers their interests. It does not in the first group, but as to the others, we shall see.

    South Tex, so that no one else here has to view it, I watched a bit of “The Chi”, a new HBO series about blacks in Chicago. They couldn’t stick one more stereotype into it without making it comedy. Played indeed.

  39. @South Texas Guy
    I wonder if blacks, in either a large minority or a small majority, will ever come to the conclusion they're being played. And the thing is, I don't think so. Late at night, 'Blackish' is on TV while I'm puttering around on the computer. There's some self-aware stuff, but really not that much.

    The had a good deal going with AA but I guess the grass is always greener on the other side. Mexicans, Orientals, south asians have no use for that crap, unless it furthers their interests. It does not in the first group, but as to the others, we shall see.

    “The had a good deal going with AA but I guess the grass is always greener on the other side. Mexicans, Orientals, south asians have no use for that crap, unless it furthers their interests. It does not in the first group, but as to the others, we shall see.”

    Are you saying AA does not further the interests of Hispanics, but we’ll see if it furthers the interests of East and South Asians? As it’s currently constituted, AA clearly does *not* further the interests of Asians, but it very much furthers the interests of Hispanics, particularly wealthy Hispanics (who tend to have predominately European ancestry).

    Agreed that blacks will be worse off under a political system increasingly dominated by Asians / Hispanics who don’t share whites’ sentimentalism (and guilt complex).

  40. @guest
    I want to watch someone ask Booker what an algorithm is. There are some words it's better laymen never learn.

    guest, sport talk show hosts throw out the word constantly, but I doubt they could define it.

    • Replies: @simple_pseudonymic_handle
    If it uses percentages and numbers even grade school kids know it. I knew when I was 9 years old that it was better odds to use a left-handed batter against a right-handed pitcher &c. ESPN had a great article a couple days ago that showed numbers on James Harden flopping behind the 3 point shooting line is the single most advantageous offensive play in the entire NBA.

    Analytics is not Artificial Intelligence however. That's where to gotcha Booker or any other moron. In their retarded brains it's same thing. Their only hope is they closely attend to the sports pages but they aren't going to get it in their social studies classes.
    , @Marty
    For 25 years in SF, we've had two otherwise excellent ex-player announcers mixing up "benefactor" and "beneficiary."
  41. Honestly, you can’t distinguish the NYT from The Onion anymore. We are living in an absurdist drama.

  42. Anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    “but then give blacks ‘affirmative action’ in the algorithm just like we do in real life”

    Maybe they could. But doing so may prove difficult to accomplish as Amazon discovered with one of its AIs not long ago; this is especially true of machines that can learn on the spot. IIRC, the AI was designed to screen employment applications for the best candidates and ended up using names as a means of judging application quality (Robin vs. Ro’shumba; Travis vs. Ter’shaun). The AI in question produced unacceptable results (few minority applicants made it through) and the team that designed it shut it down in response. Their reasoning was that there was no guarantee the program wouldn’t just use some other criterion and get the same result.

    The problem lies with the fact that there are indeed fundamental truths out there and multiple ways to find them. Travis is likely to be a better employee than Ter’shaun because Travis is more likely to be educated and white and Ter’shuan is certainly to be an uneducated black male. We could remove the name criterion but the machine could then use a host of other ones and get the same result: (hobbies) baseball vs. college football (former IQ > latter IQ), college ranking (higher ranking = more likely to be white or Asian), height (taller = slightly higher IQ), physical fitness (lower BMI = lower likely healthcare expenditures), physical traits if it’s allowed to scan your social media, male vs. female, age, religious affiliation, college activities list, employment history, geographical origin, national origin …

    However you initially design the machine, as along as it can learn on the job, there is the risk that it will produce a politically incorrect result over a desired outcome. In the future, the progressive left may require AI machines to, instead, scan Twitter and pick applicants based not on quality but on what it thinks the outrage mob wants.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    It's not that hard to put a digital thumb on the scale (though it may be hard to do in a manner that passes legal scrutiny). What do you think Google does now when you search for American Inventors:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=american+inventors

    They've got to tune up the algorithm - there's still 1 white guy in there (Edison) by mistake. Until recently it was Edison plus a bunch of black guys but I see they've tuned it up to add some black women too. "Madam" C.J. Walker was the inventor of Madam Walker's Wonderful Hair Grower, which surely ranks ahead of the telephone, telegraph, steamboat and so on.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    It is hard to see if this AI program was judging by names of people who had been hired, or comparing those who were hired vs. those who had not.

    I have known a number of successful blacks over the years. They tend to have the whitest names imaginable. The sort of names, even nicknames, one would expect in a fine Princeton Eating Club or one of the poshest boarding schools in England.

    The worst thing a black parent can do to a kid is to give the kid a “black” name.
  43. @Buffalo Joe
    guest, sport talk show hosts throw out the word constantly, but I doubt they could define it.

    If it uses percentages and numbers even grade school kids know it. I knew when I was 9 years old that it was better odds to use a left-handed batter against a right-handed pitcher &c. ESPN had a great article a couple days ago that showed numbers on James Harden flopping behind the 3 point shooting line is the single most advantageous offensive play in the entire NBA.

    Analytics is not Artificial Intelligence however. That’s where to gotcha Booker or any other moron. In their retarded brains it’s same thing. Their only hope is they closely attend to the sports pages but they aren’t going to get it in their social studies classes.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ESPN had a great article a couple days ago that showed numbers on James Harden flopping behind the 3 point shooting line is the single most advantageous offensive play in the entire NBA.
     
    On the other hand, Rick Barry demonstrated that the most advantageous offensive play in the NBA-- and ABA-- was taking your free throws underhanded. For some reason, that particular algorithm never caught on.
  44. Great idea. Let’s have the FTC and plaintiffs lawyers take over – ALL HIRING. Every big firm now uses computer matching of some kind. Every recruiting agency does. Every job website. That’s what this is about – not Facebook likes. This is a disaster waiting to happen.

  45. I hear from the Academy that the kultprops are all pushing Cathy O’Neil’s silly book, reviewed by me here. Kultpropwise, it’s the new Mismeasure of Man.

    • Replies: @guest
    The idea of Big Data doing something untoward is, well, they probably are. As with Big anything.

    Instead of digging into what data conglomerates are up to, propagating the idea of "racist math" is clearly the point. Which outrage must be opposed not by honest irrationality, but by other math. Socially just math, controlled by them.

    Their control is the thing. They set the parameters of rationality, use real math when there's an advantage and just make stuff up the rest of the time.
    , @simple_pseudonymic_handle
    That book is unreadable and I bought the thing because it had glowing reviews. Puke.

    My favorite datum regarding the author is she styles herself Mathbabe and to get an idea of what she looks like naked you have to go to the BMI visualizer page

    http://www.bmivisualizer.com

    and scroll the bar all the way to the right. She might be off the scale.
  46. @Anon
    "but then give blacks 'affirmative action' in the algorithm just like we do in real life"

    Maybe they could. But doing so may prove difficult to accomplish as Amazon discovered with one of its AIs not long ago; this is especially true of machines that can learn on the spot. IIRC, the AI was designed to screen employment applications for the best candidates and ended up using names as a means of judging application quality (Robin vs. Ro'shumba; Travis vs. Ter'shaun). The AI in question produced unacceptable results (few minority applicants made it through) and the team that designed it shut it down in response. Their reasoning was that there was no guarantee the program wouldn't just use some other criterion and get the same result.

    The problem lies with the fact that there are indeed fundamental truths out there and multiple ways to find them. Travis is likely to be a better employee than Ter'shaun because Travis is more likely to be educated and white and Ter'shuan is certainly to be an uneducated black male. We could remove the name criterion but the machine could then use a host of other ones and get the same result: (hobbies) baseball vs. college football (former IQ > latter IQ), college ranking (higher ranking = more likely to be white or Asian), height (taller = slightly higher IQ), physical fitness (lower BMI = lower likely healthcare expenditures), physical traits if it's allowed to scan your social media, male vs. female, age, religious affiliation, college activities list, employment history, geographical origin, national origin ...

    However you initially design the machine, as along as it can learn on the job, there is the risk that it will produce a politically incorrect result over a desired outcome. In the future, the progressive left may require AI machines to, instead, scan Twitter and pick applicants based not on quality but on what it thinks the outrage mob wants.

    It’s not that hard to put a digital thumb on the scale (though it may be hard to do in a manner that passes legal scrutiny). What do you think Google does now when you search for American Inventors:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=american+inventors

    They’ve got to tune up the algorithm – there’s still 1 white guy in there (Edison) by mistake. Until recently it was Edison plus a bunch of black guys but I see they’ve tuned it up to add some black women too. “Madam” C.J. Walker was the inventor of Madam Walker’s Wonderful Hair Grower, which surely ranks ahead of the telephone, telegraph, steamboat and so on.

  47. @Achmed E. Newman
    If nothing else, this kind of stuff will put AI advancement into a quagmire. I have no problem with that.

    It will put AI advancement in a quagmire IN AMERICA. You can be sure that the Chinese will not pay the slightest attention to any of this. I’m not so sure that crippling your toaster so that Corey Booker feels better about his “blackness” (high yallerness?) is really a great idea.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Jack, if I had a toaster to begin with, I'd be fine if it never got on the web to tell me how the hell the toast was doing or told my car to take me to the grocery to buy more muffins - the whole "internet of things" is just more of the world of 1984-the-Sequel. However, I did write in haste, as yes, you are right that the Chinese don't care what Cory Booker feels, and neither do I for that matter.

    I can hate the internet of things and talking to computers on the phone without giving up hating Cory Booker, can't I? Can I juggle two different pieces of hate? SURE, si, si puedo!
    , @PSR
    I have this vision of a future where an American transgender twenty-something, pink haired, face adorned with rings and pins, is laying in a fetal position clutching his/her/its emotional support animal and a Chinese soldier takes a disgusted glance then jabs his bayonet as though swatting a fly. Thus will end the great American age.
  48. res says:
    @Anonymous
    I am a tech guy who does about 50% of my work in AI. The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology and they are accelerating, increasing their lead. "American" companies mask this fact by opening R&D centers in China to tap into the Chinese talent pool. It's doubtful that the U.S. could catch up to the Chinese in an unimpeded market, but legislation like this will simply drive more R&D to China, making Chinese dominance certain.

    SJWs and feminists are like an infectious parasitic disease against which the West has lost immunity. We deserve our fate.

    The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology and they are accelerating, increasing their lead.

    Is the AI literature still overwhelmingly in English? I think the point when we are really and truly done is when things like that (and others, like reserve currency status for the dollar) change.

    • Replies: @Jimi
    Not really. Greek and Latin long remained intellectual languages after Roman and Greek civilizations declined.
    , @prime noticer
    "Is the AI literature still overwhelmingly in English?"

    that was my take as well.

    the chinese aren't ahead at all, except in the usual way. they take any original work that comes out of the west, and push it as far as they can, with no oversight or limitations from annoying governing bodies or nebbish politicians.

    so they can definitely be ahead in implementation of certain stuff which they didn't and couldn't invent, but those chinese systems are still usable, effective, and not deployed anywhere else. they're not to be totally dismissed.

    the chinese are definitely second rate in computer science. no way are they actually ahead in the core stuff. where they're quite good is in electrical engineering.

  49. @guest
    I want to watch someone ask Booker what an algorithm is. There are some words it's better laymen never learn.

    You beat me to it.

    a bill that would require large companies to determine whether the algorithms they’re using result in discrimination, and work to correct them if they do.

    Procedures laid out to accomplish a task or solve a problem by definition DISCRIMINATE. Otherwise they wouldn’t accomplish or solve anything.

    Like a Senator or Congressman.

    discriminate (v.)
    1620s, “distinguish from something else or from each other, observe or mark the differences between,” from Latin discriminatus, past participle of discriminare “to divide, separate,” from discrimen (genitive discriminis) “interval, distinction, difference,” derived noun from discernere “to separate, set apart, divide, distribute; distinguish, perceive,” from dis– “off, away” (see dis-) + cernere “distinguish, separate, sift” (from PIE root *krei– “to sieve,” thus “discriminate, distinguish”).

    You can see why this would be anathema to the likes of Booker and his merry band of resistance minstrels.

  50. @wren
    A friend recently brought a bunch of local middle school students to the "VEX World Robotics Championships" in Louisville.

    "How did you do?" I asked.

    "Our best!" he replied.

    "Just making the trip was a victory for us!"

    Voice lowered, he said "The Chinese kids are aggressive."

    It appears that Chinese teams took the top few spots, ignoring the "best spirit" categories, etc.

    https://www.robotevents.com/robot-competitions/vex-robotics-competition/RE-VRC-18-6083.html

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which "spirit awards" will offer little consolation.

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which “spirit awards” will offer little consolation.

    Yep.

    One over arching theme, i see from goodthinkers is that while they pose as “globalists” and “comopolitans” they really have this very narrow view of the world with their fellow goodthinkers as normative–the only impediment being shedding–and shredding–the legacy of white racists.

    As i’ve said before, “the most parochial ‘cosmopolitans’ the world has ever seen.

    All this sort of thing would do–if effective–is destroy the tech industry in the US. Say some Silly Valley developer can’t build their anti-crime Android app because their AI is “racist”–which inevitably such AI would be. The Chinese–heck Indians, Russians, Eastern Europeans, Israelis–will just build the AI that works–i.e. is “racist”.

    This is like feminism and minoritarianism and the West’s collapse. Yep, you can impose a looney ideology and destroy the West–that goal seems to be happening. But you can’t repeal the laws of nature. Some people of some race and culture are going to have sane policies–are going to have babies and keep out foreigners … and they will take over.

    All stupidity does is hand the world to someone else.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @res

    As i’ve said before, “the most parochial ‘cosmopolitans’ the world has ever seen.
     
    Ridiculing them for this might be effective. They really hate being seen as stupid, ignorant, or parochial.
    , @Mr. Rational

    Say some Silly Valley developer can’t build their anti-crime Android app because their AI is “racist”–which inevitably such AI would be.
     
    That already happened, albeit based on crime maps and not AI.  Look up the erstwhile "Sketch Factor" app.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    But you can’t repeal the laws of nature. Some people of some race and culture are going to have sane policies–are going to have babies and keep out foreigners … and they will take over.
     
    Among the "advanced" countries, the ones keeping out the foreigners unfortunately are not having babies.
  51. res says:
    @Mr. Anon
    I think we need to change the algorithm we use to select Senators.

    I don’t think it is a coincidence that moving to a popular vote for the Senate in 1913 preceded many changes in the US:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    There are many other causes (and the 17th amendment is probably at least as much effect as cause), but I do think it was important.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    A counterpart to women's suffrage: remove thought from the legislative process, make the passage of bad laws on emotional grounds easier.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t think it is a coincidence that moving to a popular vote for the Senate in 1913 preceded many changes in the US:
     
    It's interesting that the Southern states rejected that, and women's suffrage, but fell over themselves to be the first to ratify Prohibition and the income tax. The latter two were at least as corrupting as the former.
  52. @AnotherDad

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which “spirit awards” will offer little consolation.
     
    Yep.

    One over arching theme, i see from goodthinkers is that while they pose as "globalists" and "comopolitans" they really have this very narrow view of the world with their fellow goodthinkers as normative--the only impediment being shedding--and shredding--the legacy of white racists.

    As i've said before, "the most parochial 'cosmopolitans' the world has ever seen.

    All this sort of thing would do--if effective--is destroy the tech industry in the US. Say some Silly Valley developer can't build their anti-crime Android app because their AI is "racist"--which inevitably such AI would be. The Chinese--heck Indians, Russians, Eastern Europeans, Israelis--will just build the AI that works--i.e. is "racist".


    This is like feminism and minoritarianism and the West's collapse. Yep, you can impose a looney ideology and destroy the West--that goal seems to be happening. But you can't repeal the laws of nature. Some people of some race and culture are going to have sane policies--are going to have babies and keep out foreigners ... and they will take over.

    All stupidity does is hand the world to someone else.

    As i’ve said before, “the most parochial ‘cosmopolitans’ the world has ever seen.

    Ridiculing them for this might be effective. They really hate being seen as stupid, ignorant, or parochial.

  53. @Achmed E. Newman
    If nothing else, this kind of stuff will put AI advancement into a quagmire. I have no problem with that.

    There’s a part of me that wonders if this might be the solution to our fears about AI: Don’t allow the use of data that reflects reality. The use of “Garbage in, garbage out” is pretty amazing, when you realize that “garbage in” means “real data”.

    The basic issue is the same as with “stereotypes”. People aren’t supposed to notice a great many things, and now “biased algorithms” is the equivalent of when computers as-if-notice the same things.

  54. Alden says:
    @benjaminl
    Off topic:

    White Becky Raped By Homeless Man, Progressive Outrage Ensues

    https://hotair.com/archives/2019/05/07/seattle-woman-raped-homeless-man-told-story-progressive-backlash-began/

    I have relatives in Seattle. We talk several times a week. It’s getting crazier and crazier. The pot shops are everywhere. They’re cash businesses. So the homeless congregate outside to beg. The shoplifting laws are not enforced. So between shoppers reluctant to deal with the aggressive homeless beggars and legalized shoplifting, small businesses are leaving.

  55. Abe says:
    @wren
    A friend recently brought a bunch of local middle school students to the "VEX World Robotics Championships" in Louisville.

    "How did you do?" I asked.

    "Our best!" he replied.

    "Just making the trip was a victory for us!"

    Voice lowered, he said "The Chinese kids are aggressive."

    It appears that Chinese teams took the top few spots, ignoring the "best spirit" categories, etc.

    https://www.robotevents.com/robot-competitions/vex-robotics-competition/RE-VRC-18-6083.html

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which "spirit awards" will offer little consolation.

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which “spirit awards” will offer little consolation.

    A play on Steve’s idea- write a pilot episode spec script set 80 years in the future where 2 AI computer entity roommates get in all sorts of zany adventures together. One is a massively parallel, massively politically incorrect Chinese AI, the other is an ur-soi American AI with a calm, uptalking voice that makes the average NPR announcer sound like he’s demonicallly possessed by the ghost of Sam Kinnison. Despite initial successes in every episode it is the woke American AI that comes out ahead in the end, teaching Chinese AI a life lesson. But in terms of audience favorites (just like with ALL IN THE FAMILY, SIMPSONS) it is the rude, crude, illiberal character that becomes the clear breakout winner.

  56. @Anon
    "but then give blacks 'affirmative action' in the algorithm just like we do in real life"

    Maybe they could. But doing so may prove difficult to accomplish as Amazon discovered with one of its AIs not long ago; this is especially true of machines that can learn on the spot. IIRC, the AI was designed to screen employment applications for the best candidates and ended up using names as a means of judging application quality (Robin vs. Ro'shumba; Travis vs. Ter'shaun). The AI in question produced unacceptable results (few minority applicants made it through) and the team that designed it shut it down in response. Their reasoning was that there was no guarantee the program wouldn't just use some other criterion and get the same result.

    The problem lies with the fact that there are indeed fundamental truths out there and multiple ways to find them. Travis is likely to be a better employee than Ter'shaun because Travis is more likely to be educated and white and Ter'shuan is certainly to be an uneducated black male. We could remove the name criterion but the machine could then use a host of other ones and get the same result: (hobbies) baseball vs. college football (former IQ > latter IQ), college ranking (higher ranking = more likely to be white or Asian), height (taller = slightly higher IQ), physical fitness (lower BMI = lower likely healthcare expenditures), physical traits if it's allowed to scan your social media, male vs. female, age, religious affiliation, college activities list, employment history, geographical origin, national origin ...

    However you initially design the machine, as along as it can learn on the job, there is the risk that it will produce a politically incorrect result over a desired outcome. In the future, the progressive left may require AI machines to, instead, scan Twitter and pick applicants based not on quality but on what it thinks the outrage mob wants.

    It is hard to see if this AI program was judging by names of people who had been hired, or comparing those who were hired vs. those who had not.

    I have known a number of successful blacks over the years. They tend to have the whitest names imaginable. The sort of names, even nicknames, one would expect in a fine Princeton Eating Club or one of the poshest boarding schools in England.

    The worst thing a black parent can do to a kid is to give the kid a “black” name.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    The worst thing a black parent can do to a kid is to give the kid a “black” name.
     
    I think by the time the name is given to the kid, that ship has sailed. The problem for the kid with the "black" name isn't that he/she has that name, its that they received 1/2 their genes from a woman with a brain that decided giving the kid the name was a good idea.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I put that [AGREE] for your 2nd/3rd paragraphs, PL. The AI is one thing, but because certain testing is not allowed per the SCROTUS, certain people are hard to fire without having to prepare for a law suit, and HR ladies*, I would throw any resumes with the un-pronounceable or french-sounding names in the oval file first thing. That may be unfair to someone, but that's the way it's gotta be.

    .

    * More on the scourge of the bidness world in Part 2, example Toby Flenderson, and Part 3.
  57. @Anonymous
    I am a tech guy who does about 50% of my work in AI. The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology and they are accelerating, increasing their lead. "American" companies mask this fact by opening R&D centers in China to tap into the Chinese talent pool. It's doubtful that the U.S. could catch up to the Chinese in an unimpeded market, but legislation like this will simply drive more R&D to China, making Chinese dominance certain.

    SJWs and feminists are like an infectious parasitic disease against which the West has lost immunity. We deserve our fate.

    “I am a tech guy who does about 50% of my work in AI. The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology”

    What does that mean exactly? Most of the big name AI researchers are in the USA or Canada.

    Do you mean that there are more companies over there? I have my doubts if there is some secret sauce that the Chinese know about that they haven’t shared with the rest of the world.

    Dedicated hardware for machine learning? NVidia is still in the lead as far as I know.

    Larger talent pool?

  58. Clyde says:
    @Jim Bob Lassiter
    I'm not so sure that Princess Kamala "punked out". Yeah sure, she's got a white hubby now, but when you consider that she got shagged rotten and passed around by Willie Brown at his swinger parties, you might amend your conclusion to say she got punked out.

    Princess Kamala “punked out”. Yeah sure, she’s got a white hubby now, but when you consider that she got shagged rotten and passed around by Willie Brown at his swinger parties,

    These swinger’s parties must come out if Kams becomes a threat. Would be muy delicioso to see Miss Blinded Arrogance taken down a few pegs. Those parties were away in little town Sacramento, one would think.

  59. Meanwhile, the field of prediction based on polygenic scores is also advanced by big data and machine learning.

    Someday soon, the likelihood of committing a violent crime or recidivism after incarceration will be predicted better by analysis of DNA and academic/criminal records than by parole boards or sociologists.  It is inevitable that these predictions will have a strong “racist” bias.  This bias will only be increased by reading brain waves to detect predatory tendencies of a criminal nature.  It would be of immense benefit in keeping criminals off the streets, preventing future crimes.

    Cory Booker would outlaw all of this because it disfavors “his” people, no matter how much it would harm the rest of the public.

    What this really says to me is that Cory Booker is not an American.  He has no business being in the United States, let alone being a legislator therein.

  60. @AnotherDad

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which “spirit awards” will offer little consolation.
     
    Yep.

    One over arching theme, i see from goodthinkers is that while they pose as "globalists" and "comopolitans" they really have this very narrow view of the world with their fellow goodthinkers as normative--the only impediment being shedding--and shredding--the legacy of white racists.

    As i've said before, "the most parochial 'cosmopolitans' the world has ever seen.

    All this sort of thing would do--if effective--is destroy the tech industry in the US. Say some Silly Valley developer can't build their anti-crime Android app because their AI is "racist"--which inevitably such AI would be. The Chinese--heck Indians, Russians, Eastern Europeans, Israelis--will just build the AI that works--i.e. is "racist".


    This is like feminism and minoritarianism and the West's collapse. Yep, you can impose a looney ideology and destroy the West--that goal seems to be happening. But you can't repeal the laws of nature. Some people of some race and culture are going to have sane policies--are going to have babies and keep out foreigners ... and they will take over.

    All stupidity does is hand the world to someone else.

    Say some Silly Valley developer can’t build their anti-crime Android app because their AI is “racist”–which inevitably such AI would be.

    That already happened, albeit based on crime maps and not AI.  Look up the erstwhile “Sketch Factor” app.

  61. @guest
    I want to watch someone ask Booker what an algorithm is. There are some words it's better laymen never learn.

    There are many algorithms. The primary one, I believe, is the macarena.

  62. @anon
    "Kamala Harris is fairly effective, she has sharp elbows while Booker flounders around."

    Harris's big disadvantage is that she comes off as mean, which could be construed as threatening to a lot of black men; marrying a white, well-off nerd doesn't help her chances either, so I think she overcompensates. She'd do well to paint herself as more down-to-earth by going to a college football game or something.

    "I wonder if the genesis of this concern is really med school"

    True. Blacks are the beneficiaries of enormous racial discrimination against white males in medical school admissions. A lot of whites have had their life's plans ruined because, despite being more qualified than other minority candidates, they were the wrong skin color. How many white PAs or CNPs are out there who could have easily been medical doctors in an earlier time and a saner age?

    Harris’s big disadvantage is that she comes off as mean

    Harris’s big disadvantage is that she comes across as dumb.

  63. guest says:
    @John Derbyshire
    I hear from the Academy that the kultprops are all pushing Cathy O'Neil's silly book, reviewed by me here. Kultpropwise, it's the new Mismeasure of Man.

    The idea of Big Data doing something untoward is, well, they probably are. As with Big anything.

    Instead of digging into what data conglomerates are up to, propagating the idea of “racist math” is clearly the point. Which outrage must be opposed not by honest irrationality, but by other math. Socially just math, controlled by them.

    Their control is the thing. They set the parameters of rationality, use real math when there’s an advantage and just make stuff up the rest of the time.

  64. @John Derbyshire
    I hear from the Academy that the kultprops are all pushing Cathy O'Neil's silly book, reviewed by me here. Kultpropwise, it's the new Mismeasure of Man.

    That book is unreadable and I bought the thing because it had glowing reviews. Puke.

    My favorite datum regarding the author is she styles herself Mathbabe and to get an idea of what she looks like naked you have to go to the BMI visualizer page

    http://www.bmivisualizer.com

    and scroll the bar all the way to the right. She might be off the scale.

  65. Thomm says:

    The bill, called the Algorithmic Accountability Act and introduced last month by Senator Ron Wyden, Senator Cory Booker and Representative Yvette D. Clarke, is a good start,

    It is the worst possible start, because among other stupidities of this bill, they have to double down on their attempt to erase Asians from the definition of ‘minorities’. The pressure buildup under this issue is continuously rising.

  66. Since ‘Algorithm’ originates from an Arabic term (al-gorithm or something), isn’t that cultural appropriation from Booker and Co.?

  67. @Paleo Liberal
    It is hard to see if this AI program was judging by names of people who had been hired, or comparing those who were hired vs. those who had not.

    I have known a number of successful blacks over the years. They tend to have the whitest names imaginable. The sort of names, even nicknames, one would expect in a fine Princeton Eating Club or one of the poshest boarding schools in England.

    The worst thing a black parent can do to a kid is to give the kid a “black” name.

    The worst thing a black parent can do to a kid is to give the kid a “black” name.

    I think by the time the name is given to the kid, that ship has sailed. The problem for the kid with the “black” name isn’t that he/she has that name, its that they received 1/2 their genes from a woman with a brain that decided giving the kid the name was a good idea.

    • LOL: Paleo Liberal
  68. @Jack D
    It will put AI advancement in a quagmire IN AMERICA. You can be sure that the Chinese will not pay the slightest attention to any of this. I'm not so sure that crippling your toaster so that Corey Booker feels better about his "blackness" (high yallerness?) is really a great idea.

    Jack, if I had a toaster to begin with, I’d be fine if it never got on the web to tell me how the hell the toast was doing or told my car to take me to the grocery to buy more muffins – the whole “internet of things” is just more of the world of 1984-the-Sequel. However, I did write in haste, as yes, you are right that the Chinese don’t care what Cory Booker feels, and neither do I for that matter.

    I can hate the internet of things and talking to computers on the phone without giving up hating Cory Booker, can’t I? Can I juggle two different pieces of hate? SURE, si, si puedo!

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I bought a Keurig-like coffee maker and one of its features is its ability to automatically re-order K-cups which I will not be turning on.

    I read recently that Google bought Nest and their new protocols for these IoT devices have left a lot of people who own older models SOL.
  69. @Paleo Liberal
    It is hard to see if this AI program was judging by names of people who had been hired, or comparing those who were hired vs. those who had not.

    I have known a number of successful blacks over the years. They tend to have the whitest names imaginable. The sort of names, even nicknames, one would expect in a fine Princeton Eating Club or one of the poshest boarding schools in England.

    The worst thing a black parent can do to a kid is to give the kid a “black” name.

    I put that [AGREE] for your 2nd/3rd paragraphs, PL. The AI is one thing, but because certain testing is not allowed per the SCROTUS, certain people are hard to fire without having to prepare for a law suit, and HR ladies*, I would throw any resumes with the un-pronounceable or french-sounding names in the oval file first thing. That may be unfair to someone, but that’s the way it’s gotta be.

    .

    * More on the scourge of the bidness world in Part 2, example Toby Flenderson, and Part 3.

  70. @res

    The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology and they are accelerating, increasing their lead.
     
    Is the AI literature still overwhelmingly in English? I think the point when we are really and truly done is when things like that (and others, like reserve currency status for the dollar) change.

    Not really. Greek and Latin long remained intellectual languages after Roman and Greek civilizations declined.

    • Agree: Escher
  71. Slightly OT: The first CRISPR trial on humans has started in the USA

  72. i take back my comment from 3 years ago or so that corey booker seemed smarter than obama.

  73. @res

    The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology and they are accelerating, increasing their lead.
     
    Is the AI literature still overwhelmingly in English? I think the point when we are really and truly done is when things like that (and others, like reserve currency status for the dollar) change.

    “Is the AI literature still overwhelmingly in English?”

    that was my take as well.

    the chinese aren’t ahead at all, except in the usual way. they take any original work that comes out of the west, and push it as far as they can, with no oversight or limitations from annoying governing bodies or nebbish politicians.

    so they can definitely be ahead in implementation of certain stuff which they didn’t and couldn’t invent, but those chinese systems are still usable, effective, and not deployed anywhere else. they’re not to be totally dismissed.

    the chinese are definitely second rate in computer science. no way are they actually ahead in the core stuff. where they’re quite good is in electrical engineering.

  74. @res
    I don't think it is a coincidence that moving to a popular vote for the Senate in 1913 preceded many changes in the US:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    There are many other causes (and the 17th amendment is probably at least as much effect as cause), but I do think it was important.

    A counterpart to women’s suffrage: remove thought from the legislative process, make the passage of bad laws on emotional grounds easier.

  75. @guest
    I want to watch someone ask Booker what an algorithm is. There are some words it's better laymen never learn.

    Read Booker’s Twitter thread on the urgent need for this legislation from April 10th. It is just like the “real estate steering” his parents suffered from 50 years ago.

    I am going to go with, he wouldn’t be able to explain it. He might answer, “it’s like the Matrix.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
    , @guest
    When oppressed Peoples of Vibrancy are in the market for a new home do they google "house" only to have Hugh Laurie fill their screen? And that is discriminatory algorithmics because House M.D. is white (and not even American!)?

    I want to know what level we're thinking on.

    , @Escher

    The discrimination my family faced in 1969 is much harder to detect in 2019: houses that you never know are for sale, job opportunities that never present themselves, and financing that you never become aware of—all due to biased algorithms.
     
    Is Mr. Booker saying that sites like Zillow and Monster.com detect the race of the house/job hunter and screen them out? Looks like he needs to read "The Internet for dummies", as do the other authors of this stupid bill.
    PS: I thought Ron Wyden was one of the more sensible Senators around.
  76. 50ish comments and nobody posted this:

    This hasn’t gotten old: instead it threatens to become law.
    Memes are powerful because they are the truth, that’s why forcememing, ad campaigns, Correct the Record etc don’t work.

  77. @guest
    Coming soon: the Per Capita Abolition Act, outlawing the measure of things by head.

    Coming soon: the Per Capita Abolition Act, outlawing the measure of things by head.

    That would tare us apart.

  78. @res
    I don't think it is a coincidence that moving to a popular vote for the Senate in 1913 preceded many changes in the US:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    There are many other causes (and the 17th amendment is probably at least as much effect as cause), but I do think it was important.

    I don’t think it is a coincidence that moving to a popular vote for the Senate in 1913 preceded many changes in the US:

    It’s interesting that the Southern states rejected that, and women’s suffrage, but fell over themselves to be the first to ratify Prohibition and the income tax. The latter two were at least as corrupting as the former.

  79. @Anonymous
    I am a tech guy who does about 50% of my work in AI. The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology and they are accelerating, increasing their lead. "American" companies mask this fact by opening R&D centers in China to tap into the Chinese talent pool. It's doubtful that the U.S. could catch up to the Chinese in an unimpeded market, but legislation like this will simply drive more R&D to China, making Chinese dominance certain.

    SJWs and feminists are like an infectious parasitic disease against which the West has lost immunity. We deserve our fate.

    The Chinese are significantly ahead of the U.S. in AI technology and they are accelerating, increasing their lead.

    Well, what do you expect from a race of robots?

  80. @simple_pseudonymic_handle
    If it uses percentages and numbers even grade school kids know it. I knew when I was 9 years old that it was better odds to use a left-handed batter against a right-handed pitcher &c. ESPN had a great article a couple days ago that showed numbers on James Harden flopping behind the 3 point shooting line is the single most advantageous offensive play in the entire NBA.

    Analytics is not Artificial Intelligence however. That's where to gotcha Booker or any other moron. In their retarded brains it's same thing. Their only hope is they closely attend to the sports pages but they aren't going to get it in their social studies classes.

    ESPN had a great article a couple days ago that showed numbers on James Harden flopping behind the 3 point shooting line is the single most advantageous offensive play in the entire NBA.

    On the other hand, Rick Barry demonstrated that the most advantageous offensive play in the NBA– and ABA– was taking your free throws underhanded. For some reason, that particular algorithm never caught on.

    • Replies: @guest
    The reason is no one wants to be met with taunts of "grandma."
  81. @AnotherDad

    The US may find many challenges in tbe future.

    For which “spirit awards” will offer little consolation.
     
    Yep.

    One over arching theme, i see from goodthinkers is that while they pose as "globalists" and "comopolitans" they really have this very narrow view of the world with their fellow goodthinkers as normative--the only impediment being shedding--and shredding--the legacy of white racists.

    As i've said before, "the most parochial 'cosmopolitans' the world has ever seen.

    All this sort of thing would do--if effective--is destroy the tech industry in the US. Say some Silly Valley developer can't build their anti-crime Android app because their AI is "racist"--which inevitably such AI would be. The Chinese--heck Indians, Russians, Eastern Europeans, Israelis--will just build the AI that works--i.e. is "racist".


    This is like feminism and minoritarianism and the West's collapse. Yep, you can impose a looney ideology and destroy the West--that goal seems to be happening. But you can't repeal the laws of nature. Some people of some race and culture are going to have sane policies--are going to have babies and keep out foreigners ... and they will take over.

    All stupidity does is hand the world to someone else.

    But you can’t repeal the laws of nature. Some people of some race and culture are going to have sane policies–are going to have babies and keep out foreigners … and they will take over.

    Among the “advanced” countries, the ones keeping out the foreigners unfortunately are not having babies.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    Sooner or later, the Japanese will rediscover sex. It could take a long time but they have all the time in the world. Even at an abysmally low fertility rate of 1.0, there'll still be ten million Japanese a hundred years from now.

    And ten million ain't bad. Sweden, with about the same area, had fewer during its glory days as a socialist paradise and no one thought Sweden wasn't viable. The Japs certainly don't need more than ten million (or even one million) to defend their island; to protect themselves from China or North Korea or Russia, either they'll have nukes and the will to use them or they won't. Everything else is of secondary importance.

    Moreover, economics will work in the Japs' favor; when young people are scarce, their wages go up, making for more affordable family formation (as real estate, ever less scarce, becomes cheaper).

    In brief, Japan is everything that we are not.

  82. @Barnard
    Read Booker's Twitter thread on the urgent need for this legislation from April 10th. It is just like the "real estate steering" his parents suffered from 50 years ago.

    https://twitter.com/SenBooker/status/1116064120032329729

    I am going to go with, he wouldn't be able to explain it. He might answer, "it's like the Matrix."

    Thanks.

  83. “Artificial Intelligence”

    Harper’s magazine has already cover this folks…….their claim is that AI will be racists because the programmers will program in their own biases into the code………..TPTB have already got this covered.

  84. @guest
    Coming soon: the Per Capita Abolition Act, outlawing the measure of things by head.

    Yes. Other things whose abolition would work to the dumbass left’s advantage: conditional probability, awareness of cause vs effect, multicausal explanations of any kind.

  85. @Barnard
    Read Booker's Twitter thread on the urgent need for this legislation from April 10th. It is just like the "real estate steering" his parents suffered from 50 years ago.

    https://twitter.com/SenBooker/status/1116064120032329729

    I am going to go with, he wouldn't be able to explain it. He might answer, "it's like the Matrix."

    When oppressed Peoples of Vibrancy are in the market for a new home do they google “house” only to have Hugh Laurie fill their screen? And that is discriminatory algorithmics because House M.D. is white (and not even American!)?

    I want to know what level we’re thinking on.

  86. @Reg Cæsar

    ESPN had a great article a couple days ago that showed numbers on James Harden flopping behind the 3 point shooting line is the single most advantageous offensive play in the entire NBA.
     
    On the other hand, Rick Barry demonstrated that the most advantageous offensive play in the NBA-- and ABA-- was taking your free throws underhanded. For some reason, that particular algorithm never caught on.

    The reason is no one wants to be met with taunts of “grandma.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The reason is no one wants to be met with taunts of “grandma.”

     

    Even when grandma leads the league in accuracy? Soccer-style kicking was once a derided joke, now it's all you see. Because it works.

    Kickers are almost all white. Do they have thicker skin?
  87. @Endgame Napoleon
    Congressional Critters are worried about the need for Woke doctor-selection algorithms that guide Americans via hidden social-engineering projects. Those might even be financed by algorithmic advertising as targeted social engineering.

    Exotic coastal techies are associated with the production of hip mobile-entertainment products—what Kunstler cleverly calls the “holographic economy.” But I often wonder if the techies’ ad-based business model has expanded into grittier, more grown-up, more pedestrian territory.

    Is the SV Empire extending Surveillance Tech into the already invasive realm of financial services, possibly using the hipster 22 year olds with the $200k salaries, but more likely with the assistance of all of those Indian temp-visa workers that have increased in volume under Trump?

    Kunstler is right in his latest article that Elites are stoking the regional drama queens in a messy American “divorce,” and it’s a divorce caused mostly by economic issues, even though Elites, including the political ones, prefer to keep the serfs’ animus directed elsewhere.

    A good way to get Déplorables to sign the divorce papers is by continuing to flood the country with womb-productive welfare-qualified immigrants from Latin America and elsewhere, adding to all of the wage-undercutting single moms who can afford to work part time for beans.

    Womb-productivity-based welfare is the Bread in the Bread and Circuses. And the welfare-eligible womb producers are the ones at the bottom with the money for the Circuses, possibly explaining some of the Woke mobile content, but not so much the broadcast MSM since most of the welfare eligible are not registered to vote.

    But to them it doesn’t matter whether a temp job pays a little more; they can just drop the welfare during months when they go over the earned-income limits. Single moms are financially advantaged by the part-time jobs that are so stressful for single people living on earned-only income. Part-time jobs help the despairing single moms stay under the earned-income limits for welfare every month.

    They have rent, food and electricity covered by goverment, plus lots of help from the kids’ grandparents in most cases. Along with their wages from the part-time & temp jobs of the gig economy, monthly cash assistance and up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash, desperate single moms should (and do) have the extra cash to partake in consumerism.

    It’s one reason why tattoo parlors and nail salons are among the few small-business holdouts in the heartland. Welfare-qualified moms spread the economic joy to the coasts with trips with boyfriends to beach hotels in FL, financed by refundable child tax credits. They brag about it at work.

    The despairing classes are mostly middle-aged and older, much more divorced or never married than past generations, not in (or no longer in) a position to supplement income from part-time or temp jobs with pay for womb-productive sex from government. They far less illusionistic about this economy, hence the despair.

    The fathers of the single mothers’ children are among this group in some cases. Their fatherhood role has been neutered by the welfare-rigged economic system, and many live under the harsh thumbs of their mommas or, in some cases, their less authoritarian grandmommas. They don’t have “independent” apartments financed by Uncle Sam.

    It’s not just them, though, and there are still a few male-dominated, working-class jobs that have not yet been devoured by welfare-eligible illegal aliens or automation. Those male-dominated job categories at least pay enough to cover rent on a shabby, one-room apartment, not so much for the many single, childless females and single moms with kids over 18, living on earned-only income, navigating the always-low-paying female-dominated jobs, made even less promising by all of those welfare-aided moms soaking up the part-time / temp jobs in this churn-job economy.

    Many outside of the economic rigging have disengaged from the economy altogether——-95 million citizens of working age who are not counted as unemployed, unlike the 7 million recent applicants for Unemployment Compensation.

    It’s not the welfare-qualified mommas who’re out of the labor force; they’re one reason for the “historically high” rates of female participation in the labor force. They and the married moms, supplementing ample spousal income with a little keeping-up-with-Jones’ money, are the main reason that half of all “employed” Americans work part time.

    The concept of a non-welfare-eligible, sole breadwinner was essential to jobs with breadwinner wages. When employers large and small-scale started screening for moms with “somethin’ comin’ in” in interviews, a real economy ceased to exist for a massive chunk of non-welfare-qualified, non-married breadwinners in the bottom 80%.

    Don’t worry, this ponzi-sheme will end soon. In Northern-America & Western Europe. There are still enough White middle-class men around to keep the scam running.

    When they retire, the Endgame will start.

    You will see how thin the mask of civilization really is.

    That will also will be the point when many artificially kept-alive people in the developing world will die due the lack of foreign-aid, relief-aid and food-donations.

    The Confucian era will begin and it will be harsh.

  88. @Reg Cæsar

    But you can’t repeal the laws of nature. Some people of some race and culture are going to have sane policies–are going to have babies and keep out foreigners … and they will take over.
     
    Among the "advanced" countries, the ones keeping out the foreigners unfortunately are not having babies.

    Sooner or later, the Japanese will rediscover sex. It could take a long time but they have all the time in the world. Even at an abysmally low fertility rate of 1.0, there’ll still be ten million Japanese a hundred years from now.

    And ten million ain’t bad. Sweden, with about the same area, had fewer during its glory days as a socialist paradise and no one thought Sweden wasn’t viable. The Japs certainly don’t need more than ten million (or even one million) to defend their island; to protect themselves from China or North Korea or Russia, either they’ll have nukes and the will to use them or they won’t. Everything else is of secondary importance.

    Moreover, economics will work in the Japs’ favor; when young people are scarce, their wages go up, making for more affordable family formation (as real estate, ever less scarce, becomes cheaper).

    In brief, Japan is everything that we are not.

    • Agree: Ibound1
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Sweden, with about the same area, had fewer during its glory days as a socialist paradise and no one thought Sweden wasn’t viable
     
    When was Sweden ever socialist?
  89. The NYT is so consumed with hatred for white males, it just can’t help itself.

    In computing, the phrase “garbage in, garbage out” describes how poor-quality input leads to poor-quality output. In this case we might say, “White male doctors in, white male doctors out.”

    This is high school level hatred.

  90. Silicon Valley ain’t what it used to be. At one time you had people like Noyce and Shockley kicking around–titans in both business and science/engineering. Nowadays…how many scientific discoveries has Mark Zuckerberg made? What has he invented exactly?

    A lot of Silicon Valley these days seems to consist not of genuine technological innovations but rather ways of getting around our increasingly ridiculous and intrusive government and our total lack of freedom of association. For example:

    AirBnB–hotels can’t discriminate based on things like race so they have to take on extra costs associated with black misbehavior, which they then pass on to the consumer. AirBnB does an end run around this. As well as what appear to be unnecessarily onerous hotel regulations–while they’ve had hiccups it doesn’t seem like their skirting of regulations has caused much mayhem, so one might conclude that those regulations were unnecessarily rigid.

    Uber–same deal except for taxis.

    Much of AI just provides plausible deniability for discrimination but would be totally superfluous if we were just allowed to notice things and make decisions based on that.

    Booker is a bit slow on the uptake but it seems he may have finally managed to figure out what’s really going on and wants to put the power back where (he feels) it belongs.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @"How many scientific discoveries has Mark Zuckerberg made?"

    Well I'd say he has made a tremendous number of social-science discoveries. For instance, by creating this global Petri dish of human behavior, he has discovered just how much privacy people are willing to trade away in exchange for the opportunity to make known to the world all of their tedious, trivial opinions and tastes. He's discovered just how shallow human dignity really is in the world of digital phantom reality, in the absence of true culture and true religion. He's discovered just how shallow and thin human relationships can be stretched and flattened to.

    An old Melbourne chum of mine was once riffing on Warhol's dictum that "in the future, everyone will be famous for 15 minutes." His waggish -and far more accurate- variation was, "in the future, everyone will be famous to 15 people."

    Seems like Zuck's got that one nailed.

    @"what has he (MZ) invented exactly?"

    Well, he's invented the Huxley/Orwell nightmare which used to only exist on paper and in theory. Credit where it's due. As Kit Marlowe's Mephistopheles said,

    "I do confess it, Faustus, and rejoice."
  91. @anon
    "Kamala Harris is fairly effective, she has sharp elbows while Booker flounders around."

    Harris's big disadvantage is that she comes off as mean, which could be construed as threatening to a lot of black men; marrying a white, well-off nerd doesn't help her chances either, so I think she overcompensates. She'd do well to paint herself as more down-to-earth by going to a college football game or something.

    "I wonder if the genesis of this concern is really med school"

    True. Blacks are the beneficiaries of enormous racial discrimination against white males in medical school admissions. A lot of whites have had their life's plans ruined because, despite being more qualified than other minority candidates, they were the wrong skin color. How many white PAs or CNPs are out there who could have easily been medical doctors in an earlier time and a saner age?

    A lot of whites have had their life’s plans ruined because, despite being more qualified than other minority candidates, they were the wrong skin color. How many white PAs or CNPs are out there who could have easily been medical doctors in an earlier time and a saner age?

    When I left academic medicine a while ago it was about 30% unqualified browns in the medical school classes, so I assume it is much worse now. Some observations on this phenomenon:

    Unlike Law school, it takes a lot of resources to educate a physician. You need more than just lecture halls; things like cadaver labs are necessary, as well as physicians who are OK with having annoying medical students gum up their day. So these wasted seats are a real waste of resources.

    A lot of the qualified but rejected white students do the following:

    1.) go to an osteopathic medical school (D.O. not M.D.) Considered slightly less prestigious but there are no differences in practice restrictions. They can do anything M.D.s can. Patients are catching on that white DO >> black MD.
    2.) go to a Caribbean medical school.

    These institutions tend to not value diversity that much. However their cost is completely paid by the students and so they are _expensive_. Which precludes anyone but the wealthiest kids from going there. So, surprise, the middle class white kid is screwed.

    PA/NP school is an option for those types. I actually think this is why you are starting to see a blurring between nursing and physician roles. The right of the PA bell curve is now more competent than the left of the MD curve, due to the diversity stuff. So the whole argument for MDs (more expensive but tighter quality control and can handle the difficult stuff) basically goes away. Hasn’t affected surgeons too much but primary care, OB, anesthesia; these guys are getting killed.

    Training female physicians is a bit more nuanced. They tend to work a lot less than male physicians, so insofar as those training slots are a scarce resource that society should carefully conserve it’s a bad decision. On the other hand most women don’t want a male OB-GYN and many don’t want a male dermatologist or anyone else who routinely looks at them naked. And medicine is not like computer science or engineering, I don’t see any competence difference between the sexes. In fact women have extremely good fine motor skills so they often make good surgeons, although they tend to hone their skills less so the old men tend to be better than the old women.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Thanks for that great report, SS. I have many doctor friends, whose time in medical school (back in "the day"), residency, and career work I am very familiar with, in addition to a nurse in the family.

    Do you think there is a greater ratio of women to men in Pediatrics? The little ones, especially, are more scared of men, or at least the larger guys. The women may be better at this field, at least in the office level. I talked to a woman pediatrician on a trip recently - she worked at a children's hospital, and I remarked that there'd be just too much sadness to take, I think. Hospitals in general depress the crap out of me.
  92. @SimpleSong
    Silicon Valley ain't what it used to be. At one time you had people like Noyce and Shockley kicking around--titans in both business and science/engineering. Nowadays...how many scientific discoveries has Mark Zuckerberg made? What has he invented exactly?

    A lot of Silicon Valley these days seems to consist not of genuine technological innovations but rather ways of getting around our increasingly ridiculous and intrusive government and our total lack of freedom of association. For example:

    AirBnB--hotels can't discriminate based on things like race so they have to take on extra costs associated with black misbehavior, which they then pass on to the consumer. AirBnB does an end run around this. As well as what appear to be unnecessarily onerous hotel regulations--while they've had hiccups it doesn't seem like their skirting of regulations has caused much mayhem, so one might conclude that those regulations were unnecessarily rigid.

    Uber--same deal except for taxis.

    Much of AI just provides plausible deniability for discrimination but would be totally superfluous if we were just allowed to notice things and make decisions based on that.

    Booker is a bit slow on the uptake but it seems he may have finally managed to figure out what's really going on and wants to put the power back where (he feels) it belongs.

    @”How many scientific discoveries has Mark Zuckerberg made?”

    Well I’d say he has made a tremendous number of social-science discoveries. For instance, by creating this global Petri dish of human behavior, he has discovered just how much privacy people are willing to trade away in exchange for the opportunity to make known to the world all of their tedious, trivial opinions and tastes. He’s discovered just how shallow human dignity really is in the world of digital phantom reality, in the absence of true culture and true religion. He’s discovered just how shallow and thin human relationships can be stretched and flattened to.

    An old Melbourne chum of mine was once riffing on Warhol’s dictum that “in the future, everyone will be famous for 15 minutes.” His waggish -and far more accurate- variation was, “in the future, everyone will be famous to 15 people.”

    Seems like Zuck’s got that one nailed.

    @”what has he (MZ) invented exactly?”

    Well, he’s invented the Huxley/Orwell nightmare which used to only exist on paper and in theory. Credit where it’s due. As Kit Marlowe’s Mephistopheles said,

    “I do confess it, Faustus, and rejoice.”

  93. In computing, the phrase “garbage in, garbage out” describes how poor-quality input leads to poor-quality output.

    In this case we might say, “White male doctors in, white male doctors out.”

    Logically, then white males are “garbage”. And this gets printed in the New York Times. There may be a price to pay for this someday. Defenestrations from atop the NYT building?

  94. @Buffalo Joe
    guest, sport talk show hosts throw out the word constantly, but I doubt they could define it.

    For 25 years in SF, we’ve had two otherwise excellent ex-player announcers mixing up “benefactor” and “beneficiary.”

  95. @International Jew
    Sooner or later, the Japanese will rediscover sex. It could take a long time but they have all the time in the world. Even at an abysmally low fertility rate of 1.0, there'll still be ten million Japanese a hundred years from now.

    And ten million ain't bad. Sweden, with about the same area, had fewer during its glory days as a socialist paradise and no one thought Sweden wasn't viable. The Japs certainly don't need more than ten million (or even one million) to defend their island; to protect themselves from China or North Korea or Russia, either they'll have nukes and the will to use them or they won't. Everything else is of secondary importance.

    Moreover, economics will work in the Japs' favor; when young people are scarce, their wages go up, making for more affordable family formation (as real estate, ever less scarce, becomes cheaper).

    In brief, Japan is everything that we are not.

    Sweden, with about the same area, had fewer during its glory days as a socialist paradise and no one thought Sweden wasn’t viable

    When was Sweden ever socialist?

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    In american phantasies, it was
  96. @guest
    The reason is no one wants to be met with taunts of "grandma."

    The reason is no one wants to be met with taunts of “grandma.”

    Even when grandma leads the league in accuracy? Soccer-style kicking was once a derided joke, now it’s all you see. Because it works.

    Kickers are almost all white. Do they have thicker skin?

    • Replies: @guest
    I dunno. Most NBA players will have been in pick-up games on blacktops at some point, and there they "talk smack." White people taunt eachother, of course, but their smack-talk culture is less developed.

    Shaquille O'Neal might have been the greatest all-time player if he learned how to shoot free-throws. It was a chronic problem. I'm sure at some point somebody told him to do it granny style, but can you imagine Shaq shooting underhand? Kazaam himself?
  97. @Reg Cæsar

    The reason is no one wants to be met with taunts of “grandma.”

     

    Even when grandma leads the league in accuracy? Soccer-style kicking was once a derided joke, now it's all you see. Because it works.

    Kickers are almost all white. Do they have thicker skin?

    I dunno. Most NBA players will have been in pick-up games on blacktops at some point, and there they “talk smack.” White people taunt eachother, of course, but their smack-talk culture is less developed.

    Shaquille O’Neal might have been the greatest all-time player if he learned how to shoot free-throws. It was a chronic problem. I’m sure at some point somebody told him to do it granny style, but can you imagine Shaq shooting underhand? Kazaam himself?

  98. @Barnard
    Read Booker's Twitter thread on the urgent need for this legislation from April 10th. It is just like the "real estate steering" his parents suffered from 50 years ago.

    https://twitter.com/SenBooker/status/1116064120032329729

    I am going to go with, he wouldn't be able to explain it. He might answer, "it's like the Matrix."

    The discrimination my family faced in 1969 is much harder to detect in 2019: houses that you never know are for sale, job opportunities that never present themselves, and financing that you never become aware of—all due to biased algorithms.

    Is Mr. Booker saying that sites like Zillow and Monster.com detect the race of the house/job hunter and screen them out? Looks like he needs to read “The Internet for dummies”, as do the other authors of this stupid bill.
    PS: I thought Ron Wyden was one of the more sensible Senators around.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    It’s not about housing. It’s about jobs. Any job site is going to try and match you up with the right job for you. If you have only a high school education on your resume, and the site knows this, will you be shown a job for the Vice President at the bank? Does the bank want an application from that person? Now imagine how the Commissar of Fairness under our new Ministry of Fairness will treat that result (or will it be the Handicapper General?) This is extremely dangerous and no joke. It is a federal take over of hiring practices.
  99. @Escher

    The discrimination my family faced in 1969 is much harder to detect in 2019: houses that you never know are for sale, job opportunities that never present themselves, and financing that you never become aware of—all due to biased algorithms.
     
    Is Mr. Booker saying that sites like Zillow and Monster.com detect the race of the house/job hunter and screen them out? Looks like he needs to read "The Internet for dummies", as do the other authors of this stupid bill.
    PS: I thought Ron Wyden was one of the more sensible Senators around.

    It’s not about housing. It’s about jobs. Any job site is going to try and match you up with the right job for you. If you have only a high school education on your resume, and the site knows this, will you be shown a job for the Vice President at the bank? Does the bank want an application from that person? Now imagine how the Commissar of Fairness under our new Ministry of Fairness will treat that result (or will it be the Handicapper General?) This is extremely dangerous and no joke. It is a federal take over of hiring practices.

  100. PSR says:
    @Jack D
    It will put AI advancement in a quagmire IN AMERICA. You can be sure that the Chinese will not pay the slightest attention to any of this. I'm not so sure that crippling your toaster so that Corey Booker feels better about his "blackness" (high yallerness?) is really a great idea.

    I have this vision of a future where an American transgender twenty-something, pink haired, face adorned with rings and pins, is laying in a fetal position clutching his/her/its emotional support animal and a Chinese soldier takes a disgusted glance then jabs his bayonet as though swatting a fly. Thus will end the great American age.

  101. @Reg Cæsar

    Sweden, with about the same area, had fewer during its glory days as a socialist paradise and no one thought Sweden wasn’t viable
     
    When was Sweden ever socialist?

    In american phantasies, it was

  102. @fish
    What makes an algorithm feminist, and why we need them to be.

    "Marcelo Rinesi is the IEET’s Chief Technology Officer, and former Assistant Director. Mr. Rinesi is a freelance Data Intelligence Analyst. Mr. Rinesi has published articles related to technology, business and culture in Wired, Computer Bits, Canada’s Your Workplace, and Student Traveler. He is also a fiction writer, and has published a short SF novella The Ontociders and a collection of SF short stories, The Fatou Entries"
     
    Male Feminist: Check

    Aspiring SF author: Check

    Never been laid: Check

    Never been laid: Check

  103. @Achmed E. Newman
    Jack, if I had a toaster to begin with, I'd be fine if it never got on the web to tell me how the hell the toast was doing or told my car to take me to the grocery to buy more muffins - the whole "internet of things" is just more of the world of 1984-the-Sequel. However, I did write in haste, as yes, you are right that the Chinese don't care what Cory Booker feels, and neither do I for that matter.

    I can hate the internet of things and talking to computers on the phone without giving up hating Cory Booker, can't I? Can I juggle two different pieces of hate? SURE, si, si puedo!

    I bought a Keurig-like coffee maker and one of its features is its ability to automatically re-order K-cups which I will not be turning on.

    I read recently that Google bought Nest and their new protocols for these IoT devices have left a lot of people who own older models SOL.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Well, as far as the Keurig machines, I would feel SOL just getting one of the non-interneted ones. Here's Peak Stupidity's take on Coffee Machines and Jet Airplanes - machines taking control.

    Yeah, that non-compatibility bit is good for sales, though.
  104. @Daniel H
    The bill, called the Algorithmic Accountability Act

    Ha, ha. Awesome.

    Algorithmic Accountability Act

    It’s about time. Math and Science have a lot to answer for.

    And I’ve a feeling our new ‘leaders’ will be just the people to make it happen.

  105. @Jack D
    We need to legislate that in case of any Trolley Problem situation, the trolley is programmed to preferentially run over white males. You could put Diversity Pokemon points into the AI so 1 black would have the same weight in the algorithm as 5 white women or 10 white guys.

    Or–who knows–perhaps come up with some kind of a ‘three-fifths’ rule?

  106. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:

    “It’s not that hard to put a digital thumb on the scale”

    Imagine putting your thumb on a leaky hose only to then find another leak has appeared in response. In a complicated process with many factors, there is no guarantee such a machine won’t still introduce a bias as a result of a variable you haven’t accounted for. The Google search example you provided isn’t a good example because it’s fairly limited in scope with regard to input/output (return pictures of blacks). The engineers in the story I quoted used exactly the same logic I provided and, thus, abandoned the effort because it’s not as easy as you imply it should be.

  107. @Jim Don Bob
    I bought a Keurig-like coffee maker and one of its features is its ability to automatically re-order K-cups which I will not be turning on.

    I read recently that Google bought Nest and their new protocols for these IoT devices have left a lot of people who own older models SOL.

    Well, as far as the Keurig machines, I would feel SOL just getting one of the non-interneted ones. Here’s Peak Stupidity’s take on Coffee Machines and Jet Airplanes – machines taking control.

    Yeah, that non-compatibility bit is good for sales, though.

  108. @SimpleSong

    A lot of whites have had their life’s plans ruined because, despite being more qualified than other minority candidates, they were the wrong skin color. How many white PAs or CNPs are out there who could have easily been medical doctors in an earlier time and a saner age?
     
    When I left academic medicine a while ago it was about 30% unqualified browns in the medical school classes, so I assume it is much worse now. Some observations on this phenomenon:

    Unlike Law school, it takes a lot of resources to educate a physician. You need more than just lecture halls; things like cadaver labs are necessary, as well as physicians who are OK with having annoying medical students gum up their day. So these wasted seats are a real waste of resources.

    A lot of the qualified but rejected white students do the following:

    1.) go to an osteopathic medical school (D.O. not M.D.) Considered slightly less prestigious but there are no differences in practice restrictions. They can do anything M.D.s can. Patients are catching on that white DO >> black MD.
    2.) go to a Caribbean medical school.

    These institutions tend to not value diversity that much. However their cost is completely paid by the students and so they are _expensive_. Which precludes anyone but the wealthiest kids from going there. So, surprise, the middle class white kid is screwed.

    PA/NP school is an option for those types. I actually think this is why you are starting to see a blurring between nursing and physician roles. The right of the PA bell curve is now more competent than the left of the MD curve, due to the diversity stuff. So the whole argument for MDs (more expensive but tighter quality control and can handle the difficult stuff) basically goes away. Hasn't affected surgeons too much but primary care, OB, anesthesia; these guys are getting killed.

    Training female physicians is a bit more nuanced. They tend to work a lot less than male physicians, so insofar as those training slots are a scarce resource that society should carefully conserve it's a bad decision. On the other hand most women don't want a male OB-GYN and many don't want a male dermatologist or anyone else who routinely looks at them naked. And medicine is not like computer science or engineering, I don't see any competence difference between the sexes. In fact women have extremely good fine motor skills so they often make good surgeons, although they tend to hone their skills less so the old men tend to be better than the old women.

    Thanks for that great report, SS. I have many doctor friends, whose time in medical school (back in “the day”), residency, and career work I am very familiar with, in addition to a nurse in the family.

    Do you think there is a greater ratio of women to men in Pediatrics? The little ones, especially, are more scared of men, or at least the larger guys. The women may be better at this field, at least in the office level. I talked to a woman pediatrician on a trip recently – she worked at a children’s hospital, and I remarked that there’d be just too much sadness to take, I think. Hospitals in general depress the crap out of me.

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