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A pattern has been emerging in July, during what is becoming the fifth wave of the covid pandemic in the U.S., in which some states with relatively low vaccination rates have seen a take-off in their numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. The correlation between a state’s cases per 100,000 and the % not fully vaccinated is now up to 0.56 (linear regression — the trend line above is exponential), which is getting up there.

It’s not a perfect correlation — if we’ve learned anything from this pandemic, it’s that its trends display a sizable degree of randomness — but I suspect the correlation is stronger than it was a month ago.

As would be expected for an emerging problem, the correlations are lower for the lagging indicators: r = 0.49 for hospitalizations, and 0.38 for deaths. But that’s not good news.

Unfortunately I couldn’t get Google Sheets to display the states’ names on the graph, so here is the data:

State Cases per
100,000
% Not Fully Vaccinated
Arkansas 34 65%
Florida 30 53%
Missouri 30 60%
Louisiana 26 64%
Nevada 23 57%
Utah 16 56%
Kansas 14 57%
Oklahoma 14 61%
Alaska 14 55%
Wyoming 14 64%
Mississippi 13 66%
Alabama 13 66%
Arizona 12 56%
Texas 10 57%
Kentucky 9 55%
Colorado 9 47%
Georgia 8 63%
California 8 48%
Idaho 8 63%
Washington 8 44%
Tennessee 8 62%
South Carolina 8 60%
North Carolina 7 57%
Indiana 7 57%
New Mexico 6 44%
Hawaii 6 47%
Oregon 6 45%
Montana 6 56%
Nebraska 5 51%
Illinois 5 52%
Delaware 4 48%
Iowa 4 51%
Washington, D.C. 4 46%
New Jersey 4 43%
Virginia 4 47%
New York 4 44%
West Virginia 4 61%
Rhode Island 3 40%
Ohio 3 54%
Minnesota 3 47%
Wisconsin 3 49%
Massachusetts 3 37%
North Dakota 3 60%
Connecticut 3 38%
Michigan 2 52%
Maine 2 37%
Vermont 2 33%
New Hampshire 2 42%
Maryland 2 42%
Pennsylvania 2 49%
South Dakota 2 54%

Some of the current pattern is seasonal: the highest case count rates are in sweaty states where it’s appealing to go inside and run the air conditioner while cases are low in Moynihan Law states near the Canadian border where it’s pleasant to be outside.

But it’s also increasingly obvious that anti-vaxx knuckleheadedness is putting people in the emergency room and the cemetery.

The good news is that during the short-lived fourth wave back in late March-early April, we saw a similar rise in case counts, but we knocked it down and kept it confined to Michigan via a high rate at the time of vaccinations, peaking at 4.6 million doses on April 10.

Similarly, we can keep the fifth wave from putting a lot of people in the hospital and the grave if the people who need vaccinations who have not gotten them yet go get them. But doses have been running at only a little more than a half million over the last week.

Keep in mind that it takes two weeks before a first vaccination starts to work, and the chance of infection with this highly contagious Indian variant is likely to increase, so for my readers of average age and weight and who haven’t tested positive with covid before, a good time to go get vaccinated is, well, now.

Granted, I realize that several of my most strident commenters are 22-year-old Nietzschean ubermensches with 56″ chests and 31″ waists who are utterly invulnerable to covid due to their being all-around immortal in general (except that they are apparently oddly likely to drop dead from vaccines, which terrify them no end, as do needles).

But not all of us are so superhuman.

Moreover, some of us have, shameful as it is to admit, friends and relatives who aren’t as impervious as we are. And because the mRNA vaccines make you much less likely to pass on the germ to some weakling to whom it could be a major problem, it is a disinterestedly noble and chivalrous gesture on your part to get vaccinated to protect the weak.

So let’s get this stupid, tiresome pandemic over and done in ’21.

 
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  1. this highly contagious Indian variant

    I just knew there would be repercussions if I gifted you that Delta Air lines stock!

    • LOL: Polistra
  2. Define “cases” and break “not fully vaccinated” down into “received one dose” and “received no dose”. Better yet, consider prior infection as well.

    Speaking of prior infections: I hope “cases per 100,000” doesn’t extend backwards in time to before people were vaccinated en masse.

    Anyway, I have read that the US now uses different cycle thresholds for PCR tests based on vaccination status – twenty-something cycles for vaccinated, and thirty- something for my fellow 22-yr old Nietzschean bodybuilders – which if true would be one mechanism by which Bill Gates can keep the show on the round. Can anyone confirm?

    • Agree: Ron Mexico, J.Ross
    • Troll: jamie b.
  3. Or take the J&J vaccine.

    • Agree: ic1000, slumber_j
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @slumber_j
    , @415 reasons
  4. I invite Mr. Sailer to address the recent blog post by Gilad Atzmon on the Unz Review website, in which he discusses recent data from Israel. Many of us find it hard to separate the wheat from the chaff in this whole business.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  5. El Dato says:

    So let’s get this stupid, tiresome pandemic over and done in ’21.

    I would say that’s impossible. This baby will be here forever, with various breakthroughs every N months. I mean, Africa is just getting started!

    Also, take your Vitamin D to stay out of the hospital.

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Erik L
    , @Anonymous
  6. But then when you get to the heavily-vaxxed stage, after a bit of time lag it turns out most of the people ‘dying from covid’ are double-vaxxed, the vax perhaps being exactly what is sickening & killing people, itself ‘creating the variants’ as Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier says

    See most-vaxxed countries Israel and Britain; Gilad Atzmon talked about this right here on Unz, the vax looking like a giant scam and failure in Israel … See Alex Berenson, on how the majority of people ‘covid dying’ now in the UK are the fully-vaccinated, like this tweet here focusing on Scotland

    You’ve got the huge number of vax deaths and serious side effects which media are hiding, which for young people make the vax much more deadly-serious-dangerous than ‘covid’

    And then you’ve got the fact some of the most impressive scientific people in the world saying there are likely enormous vax deaths and maimings and infertility coming down the road, people like
    Dr Luc Montagnier, Nobel Prize winner
    Dr Satoshi Omura, Nobel Prize winner
    Dr Robert Malone ex of Moderna, mRNA developer
    Dr Luigi Warren, mRNA technology co-inventor

    Luigi Warren on Twitter suggesting that 10-20 million dead from covid, will be far eclipsed by:
    – 100-200 million dead from lockdown impoverishment, starvation, and lack of medical care, and
    – 1-2 billion dead from medium & long-term vaccine destruction of human bodies … along with massive infertility of humanity

  7. you have just demonstrated why you have ZERO credibility as a serious person… when all this BS is over, and we don’t end up in a dystopian future toiling in Xvax Uber Fuhrer Gate’s Freedom Farms (Arbeit Macht Frei!), EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU FUCKING C0V1D ZOMBIES STFU FOR THE REST OF YOUR SHORT MISERABLE SIMULTANEOUSLY INTERNAL MICRO- CLOTTING AND HEMORRAGING LIVES , fucking moron…

  8. Gamecock says:

    I’m still not getting vaccinated.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @NOTA
  9. Oh for the love of Jupiter, stop with the Covid hysteria. How much more must we suffer to save 80 year old gay liberal folk singers.

    What was STUPID was the unnecessary lockdown you people pushed.

  10. The BBC is reporting that on the HMS Queen Elizabeth, which has a crew of around 700 fully vaccinated sailors, they have discovered 100 cases of Covid.

    An outbreak of Covid-19 has been confirmed on the Royal Navy’s flagship, HMS Queen Elizabeth.

    The BBC has been told there have been around 100 cases on the aircraft carrier, which is part way through a world tour.

    A spokeswoman said mitigation measured on board included masks, social distancing and a track and trace system.

    “As part of routine testing, a small number of crew from the Carrier Strike Group have tested positive for Covid-19,” she said.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617

    Note that nowhere do they say how many of the 700 sailors they have tested. The military could have ordered them to stop testing once they got to one hundred. This is clear evidence that the vaccines do not diminish transmission to any significant degree.

    In Europe, the nations with the highest vaccination rates are experiencing spikes in Covid cases. The UK, the Netherlands, Malta, Cyprus all have very high percentages of fully vaccinated and are experiencing important spikes.

    In Israel, the government announced “Pfizer COVID vaccine significantly less effective against Delta variant”

    The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against the Delta variant is “weaker” than health officials hoped, Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said Friday, as 858 people tested positive for coronavirus and more countries were added to the list of places having high infection rates.

    “We do not know exactly to what degree the vaccine helps, but it is significantly less,” Bennett said.

    The prime minister held a meeting of top health officials and ministers to discuss the next steps for managing the virus in light of the numbers in Israel and what Bennett described as “the Delta mutation leaping forward around the world, including in vaccinated countries such as Britain, Israel and the US.”

    We’re still in the fourth inning of this pandemic…

  11. Thoughts says:

    A few months ago I thought I would get vaccinated to travel

    But guess what I stopped caring about travel, eating out, going places…im reading more Books and doing fun things around the house

    So no, not getting vaccinated

    You Can take your bizarre Pfizer vaccine second shot side effects and shove Them where the Sun dont shine

    Enjoy your third dose Stevles

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  12. It appears Bill Gates has finally gotten to the Dear Leader! Sad!
    What did he offer you? Money? Drugs? Melinda?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  13. J.Ross says:

    If we get vaccinated we can have marriage and retirement and home ownership and a neighborhood not overrun with chulos and police who are about crime rather than Phantom Nazis and dollars worth anything, right? That’s what the vaccine does?
    And it’s not like there are far safer and cheaper and more effective and widely available medicines, which are preferable for a rapidly mutating virus? And those medicines weren’t lied about by people claiming to be scientists, right?
    31″ waist
    Or, y’know, not being eighty-five years old.
    Why does this elite think they should be trusted when they get so much wrong?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  14. I’d be more trusting of the mainstream desire to quash the infection if things like Ivermectin, vitamin D, zinc, etc, were not socially verboten to discuss.

  15. It might be interesting if we had a roll call,i.e.,every iSteve reader simply comments yea or nay on whether he has had the vax. T’would be interesting.

  16. 80%+ of elderly Americans have had the shot, indicating that partisan divisions are not so great as the media and Unz comments might lead you to believe. The more numerous holdouts are young people and blacks.
    Some countries with high vaccination rates are experiencing spikes in infections but not in deaths. See the Netherlands, for example. Graphs available on Worldometer.
    Covid is overblown but the vaccines do seem to work well enough against all current variants for those few people vulnerable.
    I’ve had my life turned upside-down by this thing, been locked out of my country, missed out on two jobs and been unemployed for more than a year. For the love of God, if anyone out there is worried about the virus, please just take the shot and let the rest of us get on with our bloody lives.
    But that will never happen.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @J.Ross
    , @Marquis
  17. Anonymous[360] • Disclaimer says:

    But not all of us are so superhuman.

    You need only be human to ‘survive’ Covid.

    apparently oddly likely to drop dead from vaccines, which terrify them no end,

    Covid isn’t serious enough to risk one’s long-term health with this rushed-out junk.

    Now, if Covid were like small pox, it’d be a different story. It’d be worth the risk even with rushed-out ‘vaccine’ because the disease is so horrible.

    mRNA vaccines make you much less likely to pass on the germ to some weakling to whom it could be a major problem

    Then, tell the weaklings to get the shot. Problem solved for all.

    let’s get this stupid, tiresome pandemic over and done in ’21.

    It’s stupid and tiresome because so many went along with it.

    It’s like Reagan’s amnesty. It was supposed to end illegal immigration once and for all with the great compromise. Instead, it emboldened globalists to take it to another step.

    Going all David-French on this bs pandemic will embolden the deep state to keep pushing more hysteria and coercion.

  18. Kudos Steve for doing your civic duty and trying to talk some sense to the many loons on this site. The antivax rants in the commrnts are getting tiresome – where did all these people come from? I doubt your words will influence many of them but I appreciate the effort.

    • Agree: jamie b.
    • Thanks: ScarletNumber
  19. @Torn and Frayed

    How many aircraft carrier sailors are winding up in the hospital?

    Few were before the vaccine.

    It’s almost as if they are catching lots of asymptomatic people who are in no danger.

    Maybe the PCR people can weigh in here about false positives and explain how the vaccines-don’t-work-people are mistaken?

  20. American Renaissance had an interesting article about French politics. The publication discussed why the anti-immigration FN (National Front) was being deliberately kept out of power by French elites.

    See the bolded section below.

    https://www.amren.com/archives/back-issues/april-1998/#article1

    Ever since FN (National Front) candidates started winning at least 12.5 percent of the vote and making it into the second round, the French parties of the right have treated them like pariahs. Their candidates refuse to drop out after the first ballot even if they won fewer votes than the FN candidate. This ensures that the “conservative” vote is split, and the lefty wins. As Christian Kopff of the University of Colorado points out, this tactic of ganging up on the FN means that for electoral purposes France has a two-party system with the FN facing a massive, Socio-Gaullist coalition.

    This is in part due to the influence of French Jewish groups. Years ago, in what is commonly referred to as “the B’nai B’rith oath,” Jewish organizations got a formal agreement from the parties of the right that they would never cooperate with the FN. At the same time, the parties of the right are fully aware of the strong appeal of the FN and fear that its successes come directly at their expense.

    In the latest elections for the National Assembly in the summer of 1997, the Gaullists slit their own throats (and those of the FN) rather than break the B’nai B’rith oath. The ruling Gaullist coalition called a surprise election on only a few weeks notice in the hope of preserving its 80 percent majority in the National Assembly. Even on such short notice, the FN managed to stand for all 577 seats, fight a vigorous campaign, and get a very respectable 133 candidates into the second ballot. In the face of the usual gang-up tactics, the FN sent only one deputy to the National Assembly.

    Now you understand something about French politics that you didn’t know before.

    TLDR Summary: As a part of the “the B’nai B’rith oath,” Jewish organizations secured a formal agreement from French conservatives that they would never cooperate with the FN (National Front).

  21. @Nikolai Vladivostok

    “For the love of God, if anyone out there is worried about the virus, please just take the shot and let the rest of us get on with our bloody lives.”

    Thanks.

    • Agree: New Dealer
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @J.Ross
  22. Polistra says:
    @brabantian

    – 100-200 million dead from lockdown impoverishment, starvation, and lack of medical care, and
    – 1-2 billion dead from medium & long-term vaccine destruction of human bodies … along with massive infertility of humanity

    There’s probably a downside too, but I’m not seeing it.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  23. …let’s get this stupid, tiresome pandemic over and done in ’21.

    Steve, the pandemic could and should have been over since they found out about ivermectin. That was more than a year ago. Why haven’t you noticed yet?

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  24. Polistra says:
    @Reasonableperson

    A number of people on unz.com think that the moon landing was faked too. No reason to pay them too much attention.

  25. Thoughts says:

    Wasnt the Big red flag the third dose mentioned before any variants existed…

    Like really…how dumb do you have to be to not Think a third dose is a bit suspicious

    They rigged the elections do you not Think data Can’t be rigged

    I still dont know anyone who had Covid (who isnt a raging liberal) and Got truly ill…even the libs who tested positive had….

    The sniffles

    Where r the bodies of the people who die at Home ? People only die of Covid in the hospital…which makes one wonder if they r really dying of Covid or hospital malpractice

  26. UNIT472 says:

    Even though Florida is back up to 8,000 ‘cases’ per day there were only 29 deaths which is roughly equivalent to the number of fatal drug overdoses. Few people wear masks so the panic is over and Fauci and company are appearing more and more like lunatic Cassandras.

    Since many are not going to get vaccinated, if public health is the concern, making Ivermectin available to those who do contract the virus might be a better alternative than promoting a vaccine many, for whatever reason, are refusing to take. It is safe, goes to work right away on those infected and can keep them out of the ICU.

    Now lets get to work on keeping fentanyl out of the country. That will save more young people’s lives than any MRNA covid vaccine.

  27. El Dato says:
    @Tono Bungay

    Here is some info on that: “Vaccine breakthrough infections”

    TLDR: Doubly vaccinated people stay out of hospital in droves unless they have co-morbidities.

    From 5:00

    I would like to see the Markov chain that goes with this for clarification …

    • Thanks: vhrm
  28. theMann says:

    Back and back and back again to the quackcine kill switch.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/07/no_author/canadian-doctor-62-of-patients-vaccinated-for-covid-have-permanent-heart-damage/

    Is something to consider. Still pushing the Scamdemic though, while people die, in increasing batches, from the effects of lockdowns and receiving the quackcine.

    It is in fact, very, very, simple to take random samples of Quackcine victims and test them for heart damage, test them for ovary damage, test them for prion damage, test them for immune system collapse, and so forth……….But if we did so it would become immediately apparent just how deadly the quackcines are. Well, it will get harder and harder to hide the mounting evidence of dead bodies. And then what?

    And to think, you pathetic stupid fucks could have just had an orange, got some sun, took a nap, and you would have been fine.

  29. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:

    Get stabbed? Get spiked? No way.

    We’re supposed to take seriously the ‘science’ of people who blame black violence on ‘systemic racism’, who equate George Floyd with sainthood, who deny the reality of race, and who say Bruce Jenner is a woman? People who abused the media and corrupted institutions for political ends?

    We were told the lgbt madness would end if we conceded on ‘same-sex marriage’. Well?

    I suppose Derek Chauvin was worth sacrificing in the hope that BLM lunacy will end. No more race riots maybe.

    Maybe we should accept the end of free speech and gun rights in the hope that the Beast will finally be satiated. Who believes this?

    What is this 1950s boy scout earnestness with globalists without a shred of honor and dignity?

    They don’t deserve our trust or cooperation with what is mostly hysteria not unlike WMD.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  30. OK, let’s pick a State right on this curve. I looked at the dot first, then the State list, and came up with Arizona – 12 cases of Kung Flu per 100,000 residents and 57% not fully vaccinated. Arizona has ~7.4 million people. That means there are 890 people sick with the virus in some way. That matches pretty well this site (table of numbers below the map), which shows 851 cases and 11 deaths daily supposedly from this virus. Just using slightly below 1% deaths/yearly in the population (a generally good number – depends a little on population age), those 11 would be about 6-7% of the daily deaths there.

    That’s not insignificant, but, come on, more than half the people haven’t been fully vaccinated (as in, most of them NOT vaccinated). How has it not spread like crazy lately? Could it be natural aquired immunity, perhaps?

    Here’s an idea: Those who feel vulnerable or who have relatives who they figure are vulnerable but these relatives haven’t been vaccinated go take the shot. Those who don’t, don’t.

    Is anyone here going to tell me he is absolutely sure there is no significant risk to fertility from these vaccines? It is simply not a good bet for young women to take it (known insignificant risk of serious illness or death from the virus – unknown risk to fertility from the vaccine). There is no reason for kids to get this, and we will have NONE of that.

  31. El Dato says:
    @brabantian

    And then you’ve got the fact some of the most impressive scientific people in the world saying there are likely enormous vax deaths and maimings and infertility coming down the road, people like

    Dr Luc Montagnier, Nobel Prize winner

    As I hear it this is not even true. He only “said this” for people who can’t into french.

    Sadly, Luc seems to have wandered off the deep end in the last decade. Radio signals from DNA? My goodness. That stuff is then amplified by sites like UNZ, which is nice but you need a can of Deprecation UBIK to keep sane.

  32. @Steve Sailer

    Given their age, health status, and the low virulence of the delta variant, I would expect very few sailors went to the hospital. But that is not the point. The point is that even among a very healthy and fully vaccinated cohort, the virus still spreads easily.

    What this shows is the policy of not testing vaccinated people is a dangerous and misguided policy. For example in a concert hall full of people, if vaccinated people are allowed in untested, it is very likely the virus will spread. In such a situation, there will be many elderly and vulnerable people. This is the reason rates are rising in highly vaccinated nations. The vaccinations do not seem to stop the spread but in order to get people to take the shots, vax-privilege is granted to avoid testing. The jury is still out on whether the vaccines even ameliorate outcomes. One study I saw in Israel showed 60% of hospitalization were of the vaccinated, which is roughly the same percentage of vaccinated people in the country. This implies no advantage to being vaccinated, which I admit is hard to believe. The UK I heard it was 30-40% of those being hospitalized are fully vaccinated, which makes more sense.

  33. @Steve Sailer

    Nick could chime in again to clear this up, but I don’t think he means what you thought he means. Mr. Vladivostok is saying pretty much what I wrote. Take it already, those who are worried and/or vulnerable and leave the rest of us alone.

    I’ve got an RN (nurse) in the family. She won’t take it. I see no reason to. Our boy won’t be taking it either. Our older relatives got the vaccination. Can we please all just leave this Media/Government-induced panic fest behind by end o’ bidness year, ’21?

    Anonymous #360 above is right. This is no one-off and done PanicFest. Those who fell for it need to realize that, just as those who fell for the Police State build-up due to “The terrorists are under the bed!” may have realized 20 years later that, it never ends.

    BTW, on this Delta variant, let me just say that if they get to the Tri-Delta variant, I’m gonna know that this thing is nothing but a post-modern version of the clap.

    • Replies: @Nico
  34. @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    A bigger monitor and a free floppy disk with Windows-19.

    (“Melinda?” Haha!)

    • LOL: BB753, RichardTaylor
  35. Anon[728] • Disclaimer says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Define “cases” and break “not fully vaccinated” down into “received one dose” and “received no dose”.

    Does any data exist on the efficacy of one dose of the mRNA vaccines?

  36. Steve, this was an excellent article, and I’d like to thank you for showing the courage and resolve to promote a scientifically sound opinion of covid vaccination. Uncortunately, so many people on the right are just contrarians who will rebel against anything for rebellion’s sake, like Zach de la Rocha screaming “FUCK YOU I WON’T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!!!”.

    You and Anatoly Karlin were among the few adult leaders on the conservative blogosphere who didn’t cave to the retards on this topic. Looks like 21 is going to be another lockdown year so hopefully these guys (actually, they disproportionately female) will be too impoverished to afford an internet connection after their taco truck got impounded and their illegal alien employees all croaked. Anti-vax is treason.

    Over and done in ’21, let’s put some needles in their bums.

  37. Anon[728] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Or take the J&J vaccine.

    What about the nerve damage risk and the recent warning from the CDC?

  38. Evocative graph.

    A lot of libertarian noise (what’s pissing Steve off) getting mixed up with the maybe endangering kids with a rushed vax instead of employing proven therapeutics and targeted (as opposed to universal) interventions (as was established practice) to save the elderly and obese is not the optimal approach.

  39. anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @brabantian

    – 1-2 billion dead from medium & long-term vaccine destruction of human bodies … along with massive infertility of humanity

    What would be the causal mechanism for infertility?

    • Replies: @Guest29048
  40. anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:
    @Torn and Frayed

    The BBC is reporting that on the HMS Queen Elizabeth, which has a crew of around 700 fully vaccinated sailors, they have discovered 100 cases of Covid.

    “As part of routine testing, a small number of crew from the Carrier Strike Group have tested positive for Covid-19,” she said.

    100 sailors out of 700 seems like NOT a small number.

  41. Steve, another example for your hyper-male MtF theory (also incredible thread, as hyper-males are prone to do):

    • Replies: @jimbo
    , @Faraday's Bobcat
  42. One of the worst Steve Sailer posts ever.

    Makes me wonder if you, Steve, really are a shill. Makes me wonder if I should send you the money I was planning to send in August.

    Seriously, Steve, you sound like either an idiot or an evil, dishonest bastard. Maybe both.

    I promised myself I would avoid commenting here for a while, but really, this is beyond bullshit.

  43. My wife and I got vaccinated because Steve recommended it and we’re on the edge of the vulnerable group. Will not be vaccinating kids (although they got the full battery of the usual recommended list with some trepidation and sure enough one ended up with some autism) until issues with fertility et al are addressed professionally and respectfully by those in authority rather than these insulting and worrisome temper tantrums.

    My own doc is more worn out than upset but he too is going along with the official narrative. Doubt he’s aware of anything else.

    • Agree: Paperback Writer
  44. Steve Sailer is all about fame. This is the key to the many strange contradictions in his personality.

    Deep in his heart, he wants to be a famous journalist. This did not work out for whatever reason, so in compensation for it he has built an entire career as blogger out of basically trolling the MSM with his HBD shtick. In the course of so doing, he has attracted a small but devoted following of very spergy IYIs who actually think he’s being serious. He cannot let go of this fan club because they are now the only source of the recognition he seeks.

    HBD was always a strange fit for Sailer—a man of no scientific background and little naturally ability in the requisite fields of study—but he is helped along in this vein by his deep-seated contempt for black people (a contempt which is quite obvious if you’ve ever caught him in the middle of one of his stealth edits). But if the blacks happen to be famous athletes or entertainers, then even this contempt is overridden by the even stronger compulsion to bask in the reflected glow of their glory.

    Posts such as this one make the situation plain. To anyone with any real scientific aptitude and curiosity, who did not have either a totalitarian streak or an insatiable desire for vainglory, it was obvious a year and a half ago that this coronavirus was not a serious threat to health. Everything that has happened since then has done nothing but validate that initial assessment, time and time again. 99.7% of everyone who contracts this virus will survive it. That is a mortality rate roughly three times worse than an average influenza season, which is exactly what I predicted way back in March of 2020. The vaccines have killed more young people than the virus has, and suicides have killed five times more.

    You would think this would merit some attention from the man who claims to be the champion of “noticing” and Real Science™ , but you would be wrong. When the issue is anything other than the one his accidentally acquired fan club cares the most about, Steve Sailer is quite willing to throw in his lot with the MSM, the CDC, and Dr. Fauci. He will toe the narrative nonsense on this subject, having calculated (like others he’s commented upon) that this is the surest route to acquiring some “strange new respect.”

    So much for noticing. So much for science. So much for standing up for the truth.

    • Agree: Bumpkin
    • Thanks: Dumbo
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Mike1
    , @AKAHorace
    , @New Dealer
  45. AndrewR says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sailer is just a moderately autistic shitlib at his core.

  46. Not taking it Steve, sorry. I’m close to your age and in good health. I’ve had COVID. It’s a persistent respiratory virus but not deadly. I have COVID antibodies and see no reason to take the experimental gene therapy from the same medical establishment that jacked up this bug and let it escape from the Wuhan lab.

    Surely you have acquired enough skeptical sense by now to realize this pandemic will never be over. Pfizer’s CEO says we need boosters every 6 months, apparently to keep everyone in a constant, low-grade febrile state while our immune systems attack our own cells pushing out these spike proteins they otherwise would not generate. What’s the long-term effect of that? Anybody know?

    We are already chasing (and pushing) this virus from behind. It appears to have beat the H1N1 variants for access to our upper respiratory tracts. The US is getting older quickly, and fatter than previously–those are your excess deaths.

    Everything about this virus has to be explained. If this really were the 21st century plague, the bodies would be dropping too fast for Ron DeSantis to ignore. If masks really worked, we could just point to the pile of bodies in loosey-goosey Florida and compare them to conscientious Fairfax, Virginia. The magic juice, I recall reading, was 92.7% effective. Wow–how did they know that? Why isn’t this superduper vaccine one-and-done? BTW, that number is being toned down considerably as the “breakthrough infections” show up.

    TLDR: we are being hornswoggled.

  47. ken says:
    @Reasonableperson

    If all the old and vulnerable are fully vaxxed and it’s so effective why are you so invested in my choice not to get vaxxed? If the stuborn idiots are all going to do die from their exposure you should be happy.

  48. JMcG says:
    @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    I’ve had it, as have my wife and kids. All with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. My brothers and sister and their children have been vaccinated as well, all with the Pfizer vaccine. That’s 24 people, ranging in age from 60 to 13.
    One nephew had COVID; he was in bed for a week. He hasn’t been vaccinated yet. None of the rest of us has had it. My 85 year old Uncle in Ireland has been vaccinated as has his wife.
    Two of my kids were tired after the second dose, for a day each. Other than that, no side effects.
    I do know a lot of young women who won’t get vaccinated for fear of effects on their fertility.

  49. Don Silva says:

    How many of the “not fully vaccinated” are selfless martyrs who got their first dose and in keeping with the “first doses first” doctrine widely espoused by the likes of Alex Tabarrok have foregone the second dose in the interest of allowing greater access to the vaccine for others? How much blood does Tabarrok have on his hands? Why hasn’t the White House directed the social media platforms to ban him? Inquiring minds….

  50. I worked a portion of my career in Pharma and a portion in genetically engineered field crops. The standard for testing products that end up inside people amounts to 5-7 years and sometimes longer. The length of time is necessary because it can take years for harmful side effects to manifest themselves. By taking the “vaccine”, stupid people are exposing themselves and their children to an esssentially untested drug that is already exhibiting dangerous side effects.

    Total death rates per thousand Americans in 2018 and 2019 were 8.7 and the comparable rate for 2020 was 10.2 (per CDC data April 2021). The 10.2 rate is total deaths for all causes, deaths from Covid included. While this is a substantial increase in the rate, you only have to go back to 1980 to find death rates of 10/1000 and higher. I was alive in 1980 and don’t remember anybody locking down the country as a result. What we saw in 2020 was a bad flu season, not a cause for hysteria.

    The SARS-CoV-2 hysteria of 2020 was a phenomenon of the media and political class, manufactured in order to get rid of Trump. It worked. Plus it had the benefit to the Ruling Class of allowing government at all levels to transfer power to itself.

    Having been repeatedly and continuously lied to, sensible people don’t take seriously anything said by the mainstream media or the FedGov. Do your own research. Alex Berenson and others on Unz are good places to start.

    Stop the hysteria.

  51. Xens says:

    “Over and done in 21?” Vaccines don’t work like that. I wonder what sort of articles we’ll be seeing if cases come flooding back this November.

    Steve, you’re an old man and if you waste away your final years in fear and isolation, then the virus might as well already have killed you.

  52. But it’s also increasingly obvious that anti-vaxx knuckleheadedness is putting people in the emergency room and the cemetery.

    Maybe because the Republicans have offered no serious, intelligent leadership to counter the Democrats hysterical power grab?

    Vaccinate everyone over 50. Under 50s vaccinate the obese and the otherwise vulnerable.

    Everyone else: let it rip.

    Masks indoors in public places, everywhere else, not needed.

    School, gatherings over 50 people: be like Sweden.

    No leadership is directly proportional to mass-knuckleheadeness.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  53. Altai says:

    It’s not a perfect correlation — if we’ve learned anything from this pandemic, it’s that its trends display a sizable degree of randomness

    Density and denser population between urban centres is a massive factor. For example Belgium had epic levels and it’s green space between major cities has been under conspicuous decline for many decades now. It’s not just density as a whole but a lack of buffer space of interpersonal contact between major urban centres. This, of course, has been driven by very high rates of immigration.

    In Australia there is lots of basically near uninhabited land between major urban areas so interpersonal contact between one major population centre and another in a timely fashion doesn’t happen.

    The other is behaviour (Hassids in New York were key incubators of the early cases, the synagogue in New Rochelle saw a huge proportion of it’s members become infected. Different places and cultures have different levels of personal space.) and climate. The large number of single person housing in Sweden was also given as a social factor in helping them.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
  54. @brabantian

    And then you’ve got the fact some of the most impressive scientific people in the world saying there are likely enormous vax deaths and maimings and infertility coming down the road, people like
    Dr Luc Montagnier, Nobel Prize winner
    Dr Satoshi Omura, Nobel Prize winner
    Dr Robert Malone ex of Moderna, mRNA developer
    Dr Luigi Warren, mRNA technology co-inventor

    Yeah, but those are just anti-vaxx knuckleheads, unworthy of Sailerian attention.

  55. Granted, I realize that several of my most strident commenters are 22-year-old Nietzschean ubermensches with 56″ chests and 31″ waists who are utterly invulnerable to covid due to their being all-around immortal in general (except that they are apparently oddly likely to drop dead from vaccines, which terrify them no end, as do needles).

    But not all of us are so superhuman.

    Astute observer.

    There is also redundancy in the comments section because of multiple handles used by readers.

    Some patterns are considered “hate speech” e.g., the correlation between certain people and the state of countries like South Africa.

  56. JR Ewing says:

    This is going to be one of those days over the past 20 years that I remember. Like the day the lockdown was originally proposed, the day I realize the lockdown wasn’t going to end any time soon, and the day I went to my school board last summer and castigated them for even considering not starting school normally on time (they did).

    Earlier this week I was updating my covid stats spreadsheet and noticed that we were beginning an uptick around the country and in Texas and in my little area of Texas. I figured either this would go away in a couple of days when I updated again or it would be up further and then the panic would be ON!

    I woke up this morning to a headline in the local paper – “COVID CASES ARE UP ACROSS THE HOUSTON AREA!”

    Here we go again. The panic pushing over Delta worked and tests are up and guess what? SO ARE CASES!!!! YAY MEDIA!

  57. @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    It might be interesting if we had a roll call,i.e.,every iSteve reader simply comments yea or nay on whether he has had the vax. T’would be interesting.

    I’d need you to define “has had the vax.” If that means, “has had all the jabs he’s going to get,” then yes. If you mean “no more jabs to go,” again yes. But if it means “been jabbed twice” (or once), well … that’s problematic, as Our Rulers like to say.

  58. JR Ewing says:

    As far as “vaccinations” go, I’m not and I will remain that way. I can think of two strange illnesses I’ve had since February 2020 that might have been the big C and then last month I was definitely exposed to it through a kid on my son’s little league team (I was the coach). I felt kind of off for a couple of days – heart palpitations, discomfort – and then the feeling passed. Not sick, but kind of on the way there, yet I never really went over the edge. A doctor friend of mine said that sounds like an acquired immunity and I was able to fight off the latest exposure on my own.

    Before, I was 95% opposed to the jab, now that’s up to 99.9%. There is no f’ing way I do that willingly at this point.

    Everyone here needs to listen to Joe Roagn’s podcast from June 22 with Brett Weinstein and Pierre Koiry and their discussion of Ivermectin and the pharmaceutical push for “vaccines”. It’s eye-opening and HIGHLY recommended.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  59. Anti-Vax, Anti-Trump?

    President Donald J Trump’s greatest legacy is getting a vaccine developed in record time, when his critics were saying he was crazy as they said he was on every last matter of public concern and it wouldn’t work.

    No, Mr. Trump didn’t discover the vaccine working in a lab with banks of test tubes. But he made the decision and told people “go” and he got the government to bankroll the effort, either directly or indirectly by contracting to buy large number of doses. Taking some bets that came through and others that didn’t.

    I described this effort as a “Biotech Manhattan Project” and offended a liberal family member. The same family member who was keening that being under age 65 he will never be eligible for the vaccine, who managed to get himself and family vaccinated in early April.

    The biggest Election Steal is stealing the credit for the vaccine from President Trump. The Pretender on Pennsylvania Avenue cannot bring himself to offer any credit, even if it killed him and killed half of the American people. Out of some unexplained grace and magnanimity or perhaps drawing a short straw, Senator Richard Durbin managed to croak out a message of thanks to President Trump on the Senate Floor during the “lame duck” period between election and inauguration, although I had to look closely if the Senator from Illinois was giving a hidden message using eye blinks.

    Check off “Disagree” or “Troll” all you want, but I stand with President Donald Trump. And iSteve.

    Thank you Donald Trump. Thank you Steve Sailer.

  60. @Buzz Mohawk

    “Steve I was totally about to give you a million bucks but then you went and posted an anodyne recommendation that I happen to disagree with!”

    • LOL: Inquiring Mind
  61. Mr Mox says:

    Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?

    Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated – compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

    Last year when natural immunity was still a thing, and it was obvious who were in the risc group (and who was not) I suggested to my eye-rolling friends and colleagues that we should deliberately infect all healthy people under 24 and quarantine them for three weeks at hotels, schools or whatever, together with volunteer (and well-paid) caretakers.

    Chances are we could have prevented these embarrassing attempts of socking the vaccine to the kids on behalf of our own safety.

  62. “Granted, I realize that several of my most strident commenters are 22-year-old Nietzschean ubermensches with 56″ chests and 31″ waists who are utterly invulnerable to covid due to their being all-around immortal in general”

    I’m 32 Steve but thanks, perfect description otherwise (though I wear a size 32 waist because my ass is huge from years of ice hockey.)

    Joking (I mean, only partially) aside why am I obligated to vaccinate? If it’s because i’ll infect the vulnerable… uh aren’t they vaccinated?

  63. So sorry to hear about your psychotic break, Mr. Sailer. Hope you get well soon. Meanwhile, my wife and I are in our early 70’s, haven’t taken the vaccination and don’t plan to. Have one daughter who took the shot and came down with Bell’s Palsy within a month afterward. Yeah, I know it’s anecdotal and correlation, not causation and all that, but really, it raises my index of suspicion. Have another daughter who works with the public and won’t get the shot, nor her husband who is a policeman. Neither has come down with it. Only one of our grandchildren, a nurse in a local drug rehab facility has taken the shot; the other three, each of whom is either a student or working throughout the “pandemic,” has come down with it. I am not at all against vaccination–under appropriate circumstances. (Not sure that the current regimen of loading up little children with vaccines against everything is a good idea, guess it depends on the risk/benefit analysis that I haven’t done.) Anyway, have a nice day, all.

  64. Anon[364] • Disclaimer says:

    I basically agree with Steve’s analysis of the excess deaths and the efficacy of the vaccines. I’ve gotten the vaccine myself. Yes, there is some uncertainty about its long-term effects, but that’s true of COVID too. The short and medium term data look good.

    HOWEVER..the amount of power that the managerial class has grabbed during this pandemic has been breathtaking. We’re never coming back from this. And the vaccine is very much a part of that. They really do want to force people to take it. Look at what Macron announced in France the other day.

    There’s a ton of BS circulating in the anti-vax world, but I think at some intuitive level their take on the pandemic has been correct. The right thing to do was to call bullshit on the whole thing. Yes, more people would have died, but in the grand scheme of American history it would have been a minor story. Instead it’s going to be a political and cultural watershed.

    I encourage people to get the vaccine, but I’m willing to accept living in a place where a lot of people have not. Pushing too hard on this contributes to a political environment in which the managerial class will grab new powers. Today, COVID is a public health crisis. Tomorrow, racism will be a public health crisis. And the coercive measures they’re using now will be used again.

  65. What counts as a case these days? Is Fauci in control of the Ct? In the cultural war, where each national institute across the globe wants to prove *they* cured the planet, why should we believe NIH staff?

    You don’t believe the results of your US elections, so why could you trust your vaccination rates? Which is easier to lie about? Do you have international observers, or any sort of witnesses, at vaccination centers?

    The vaccine was supposed to prevent severe cases. I would think that’s the rate of intubation. If you don’t have that, you would do better plotting death rates.

    Even then, remember: Kizzmekia is not causation.

  66. Dumbo says:

    And because the mRNA vaccines make you much less likely to pass on the germ to some weakling to whom it could be a major problem, it is a disinterestedly noble and chivalrous gesture on your part to get vaccinated to protect the weak.

    How are you “protecting the weak”, if the jab doesn’t seem to do much to stop transmission?

    I wish people stopped with this fake “concern for others”, and pushing to vaccinate every people on Earth (and, as some have been suggesting, pets too!) on the grounds that not doing so is “selfish”. Even the Queen of England said so, LOL.

    No, you are selfish. With the vaccine, you’re only (maybe) protecting (or harming) yourself. And you want others to be vaccinated to feel more protected too (even if it’s not so clear how, as in theory only the unvaccinated are at risk).

    Now, if that stupid vaccine stops this stupid pandemic, great. But enough with the drug pushing, the vaccine passports, and all that shit.

    Why the hell are they vaccinating 12 year olds??

    And why should I trust a transgender freak for health advice??!

    https://en.as.com/en/2021/07/08/latest_news/1625766562_648054.html

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
  67. One of your best posts.
    You are providing hard numbers while your critics provide emotions. Unfortunately, emotions often win.
    If your blog was a magazine, you would be getting lots of cancellation requests.

  68. Thanks for the laugh.
    No mention that PCR test cycles vary between the deplorables and those blessed members of the Branch Covidians who are vaxxed. $0 for me, 20 for thee. You have a cold, I have the plague.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  69. Steve,

    Pls help a brother out here (and give him a follow):

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  70. BB753 says:
    @brabantian

    C’mon you’re just saying that because you are a “22-year-old Nietzschean ubermensches (sic) with 56″ chests and 31″ waists who are utterly invulnerable to covid due to their being all-around immortal in general”. This would be Sailer’s reply. Fear of death make people blind to data.

  71. @J.Ross

    Why does this elite think they should be trusted when they get so much wrong?

    Why do you assume they got it wrong? My assumption is, always, that they are lying.
    I bet I’m right more often than you are in this regard.

  72. Michael S says:

    Great. Now post the guidelines for testing and reporting in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated individuals, and IFRs for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated individuals.

    Or is context suddenly not your friend anymore? Is that something that the “Man Who Notices” is not allowed to notice?

  73. Anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:

    Ok boomer

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  74. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:

    But it’s also increasingly obvious that anti-vaxx knuckleheadedness is putting people in the emergency room and the cemetery.

    I have two acquaintances who are in the hospital with COVID who will either both die or survive it with serious long-term consequences. One is early 40s, no pre-existing conditions, and has been fighting it for months. He had an appointment to get vaccinated but didn’t get it soon enough. The other is an anti-vaxxer with pre-existing conditions (diabetes, and perhaps one or two more health issues). She’s an ardent conservative – much farther to the right than me – who simply did not want to get vaccinated.

    It used to be that conservatives/Republicans were far and away more enlightened and better behaved than Democrats, and we were more likely to show up at the polls in off-elections (like the runoffs in Georgia earlier this year that cost us the Senate). All of this anti-vaccination shit is embarrassing.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @ken
  75. Anonymous[131] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Makes me wonder if you, Steve, really are a shill. Makes me wonder if I should send you the money I was planning to send in August.

    Buzz, you are a valued contributor here, but this is very, very poor form. Don’t threaten Steve, especially with the withholding of money. Weak. For all he has done, he deserves better. If you are upset with him, and want to do that, then just do it. Don’t publicly blackmail him.

    At minimum, try to make an argument first and engage him.

    • Disagree: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Pericles
  76. Blubb says:

    A friend, 34, had cancer. Was stable. But no knucklehead! Got the Vax. Suddenly, cancer gets way more aggressive, metastasized, kills her, at Vax +5 weeks. She leaves two kindergarteners.

    But yeah, eminently important to save *squints* 34 per 100 000 boomers from getting a cough.

    • Thanks: Gaius Gracchus
  77. Anonymous[131] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    until issues with fertility et al are addressed professionally and respectfully by those in authority rather than these insulting and worrisome temper tantrums.

    What issues with fertility are there?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @JR Ewing
  78. Blubb says:

    Seriously, what’s it with boomers and their obsession with sacrificing the young to their hedonism? Know what’s awaiting you on the other side, do you?

  79. Probably should get in touch with these people and get your data sets coordinated:

    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @Anon
  80. Covid rates in Britain are going to the moon. They are at 50,000+ a day now, and doubling every 2 weeks. They will be at 100,000 soon, and perhaps at many hundreds of thousands not long after. This will be replicated in other places that open up after vaccination.

    All of this means that, if you haven’t had Covid, you almost certainly will get it at some point. No matter your age, you will very likely get very sick. It may have only a small chance of killing you, but ordinary, healthy 20 somethings still suffer more with Covid than they have generally experienced from any other illness.

    You can easily diminish this future suffering and substantially reduce your risk of dying by getting vaccinated. The risks of the science experiment vaccine are much smaller than the risks of the science experiment virus. You will catch Covid, the question is: will you prime your immune system first or will you risk lying in a hospital bed later, regretting your decision.

    Call up a doctor who is working with Covid patients and ask them about the younger, dying, unvaccinated ones, and how it feels to watch them. They know that people make their own decisions, but it still hurts to see.

  81. Anonymous[528] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s nothing ‘stupid’ about the pandemic, Steve:

    It’s simply replicant life acting in a Darwinian fashion and spreading its genes at the expense of human biomass – of which the planet has a surfeit – viruses, just like humans, being unable to fix solar energy and thus being obligate consumers of other forms of biomass.

    Imagine that, replicants concerned only with their own germlines – the ultimate anti Economist position.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  82. @Desiderius

    Being vaccinated alters people’s behaviour. London is a big bacchanalia right now, while locals in the unvaccinated country which I am in are extremely cautious.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Dumbo
  83. … but ordinary, healthy 20 somethings still suffer more with Covid than they have generally experienced from any other illness.

    Ahh, bullcrap! I don’t know ANY 20-somethings who’ve even gotten sick with this thing, and I work with plenty of them. Oh, I know of CASES, plenty.

    The people I know best who have gotten sick from the COVID-19 are a 61 y/o guy who got a low-grade fever for a couple of days or so, diarrhea for, well TMI, I stopped him at “on Wednesday”, and couldn’t smell things for a while and a 45 y/o guy who was worried sick about it so he stayed inside at home for 10 full days, and had a tummy ache one day. I had offered to drop some pasta off for him on his porch because he is Italian, but I think he was all stocked up for the Pastocalypse.

    Come on. I had a friend between the ages of these two who died of cancer over a one-month period, only the last 2 weeks or less knowing it was even very serious. There are a lot sicker people that 20-somethings than may or may not get tummy aches. You people …

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  84. @Triteleia Laxa

    Meanwhile in Ohio we’re Sweden west and still taking sensible precautions especially with the most vulnerable while enjoying the great outdoors as much as we can and getting our Zinc and Vitamin D.

    In any case this post is a great illustration of what weaponized normalcy bias looks like. Anyone seeking to dissent from the line constructed by those weapon manufacturers would do well to take sensible precautions themselves. Those with that bias enjoy inordinate wealth and power.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  85. slumber_j says:
    @Redneck farmer

    I mean, J&J is inscrutable poison too perhaps, but the deep unknowableness of the mRNA stuff freaks me out a little more. I gather they’re gunning for actual FDA approval of the Pfizer vaccine by January of next year, which is nice.

    That said: everyone in my family is now vaccinated for various reasons, God help us.

    • Replies: @NOTA
  86. Anon[266] • Disclaimer says:

    Idiot leftist Los Angeles County is requiring masks indoors again. I have no intention of complying, unless threatened with force or job termination. This is supposed to be for the benefit of the un-vaccinated. If people are too stupid to get vaccinated, that is their problem, not mine.

    • Replies: @fredtard
  87. @Gamecock

    Go, South Carolina!

    70% by Christmas!

    [/Idiocracy] Yeah, I know it can’t go up without a lot more illegal immigration. On the other hand, no, I don’t think this is the end of Idiocracy.

  88. Bert says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The risks of the science experiment vaccine are much smaller than the risks of the science experiment virus. You will catch Covid, the question is: will you prime your immune system first or will you risk lying in a hospital bed later, regretting your decision.

    I also evaluated vaccination by the relative risk approach you laid out, and took the vaccine. Unfortunately two safer alternatives discussed early in the pandemic, at least by commenters online, were not seriously considered by the U.S. public health bureaucracy. One alternative would have been to encourage rapid infection of the younger segments of the population, subsidized Covid parties if you will, while rigorously protecting the elderly, the high BMI, and those with serious morbidities for a period of two or three months until herd immunity was achieved. This approach would have avoided selection for greater viral transmissibility.

    The second alternative, preferably working in conjunction with the first, would have been to rapidly produce quantities of the four kinds of corona viruses that cause common colds, and then offer them to those who did not test positive for SARS-2 antibodies, so that they could give themselves a common cold. The article linked below describes recent and very meticulous research that strongly indicates that persons with memory T-cells against common cold corona viruses fought off SARS-2 while suffering only mild symptoms.

    https://www.genengnews.com/news/milder-covid-19-symptoms-linked-to-t-cells-from-previous-coronavirus-infections/

  89. botazefa says:

    But it’s also increasingly obvious that anti-vaxx knuckleheadedness is putting people in the emergency room and the cemetery

    Time for Steve to disclose how much NIH funding he receives for this alt-right community outreach door knocking.

  90. @Reasonableperson

    If the anti-vax comments are representative of conservatism at large (and it seems they may well be), this guarantees that conservatism will live on only as a fringe movement, and the expansion of Wokeness will continue apace.

    • Agree: AKAHorace
  91. lysias says:
    @El Dato

    I just got the results from a lab test of the Vitamin D content in my blood. It’s at 84.7 ng/mL, which I consider more or less ideal. It’s a result of taking 18,000 IU per day and sunbathing for half an hour most days.

  92. “I ended up in the hospital but I still think these anti-vaxxers make some good points”

    – said no one

  93. @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    I got my 2nd Moderna shot a week ago after getting the 1st in March. No side affects to report except that the area around upper arm where I got the 2nd shot was a bit sore for 2 or 3 days. I am 87 and have a leukemia which may or may not be in remission.

    I took the shots out of pure ignorance about the benefits of doing so. So far it hasn’t done me any observable harm. Wife & I have socialized twice since I returned from hospital. Last night we entertaining a couple we’ve known for many years. Had fresh salmon steak with a feta cheese topping and skinned sauted red bell pepper with long-grain plus wild rice mix sold by the Rice-a-Roni folks, their only product without pasta. It turned out in the course of dinner that our friends have drunk the Cool-aid. Wife feels guilty about being white because of “history.” Husband was worse. The evening ended with him advanced the theory that blacks built this country. Back in college a million years ago we had a black friend who freely lent us his spacious rent-controlled apartment in Chelsea in a 19th century brownstone (this is in the 1950s) on weekends since he spent weekends elsewhere. Under his bed we found a book explaining that blacks had invented everything in civilization from the Egyptian pyramids on down. Fast forward to 2021 where I was told that blacks had built America. Proof was that gangs of blacks built many state capitol buildings in the late 19th century.

  94. Just eyeballing that chart I detect high heteroscedasticity. The spread is very high on the RHS. Focusing just on that side the correlation seems pretty close to zero. Maybe correlation/regression analysis isn’t the best way to summarize/analyze these data.

  95. Catdog says:

    And because the mRNA vaccines make you much less likely to pass on the germ to some weakling to whom it could be a major problem, it is a disinterestedly noble and chivalrous gesture on your part to get vaccinated to protect the weak.

    Maybe vaccinate the old and weak then.

    Same retard logic as why I have to wear mask so that the doublemask germaphobe feels more comfortable.

    Another astoundingly bad take from Steve. Two vaccines have already been withdrawn because they’re unsafe, but who can remember all the way back to the beginning of the year?

  96. Dmon says:

    Even the Invasives are hesitant.
    It’s almost like people whose governments openly act to subjugate and destroy them tend to develop a little skepticism about official pronouncements of concern for their health.

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-biontech-antibodies-china-sinovac.html

    “Hong Kong has been a world leader in studying coronaviruses ever since a SARS outbreak which began in southern China swept through the city in 2003.

    The city currently offers both German-made BioNTech shots and Sinovac.

    Despite ample supplies, take-up has been slow, with only 28 percent of the city’s 7.5 million residents fully vaccinated with two shots. So far some 2.6 million BioNTech doses have been administered compared to 1.8 million Sinovac shots.”

  97. Dumbo says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Being vaccinated alters people’s behaviour. London is a big bacchanalia right now, while locals in the unvaccinated country which I am in are extremely cautious.

    So what you’re saying is that it is the vaccinated, and not the unvaccinated, who are the problem. Interesting. I wish others would also stop blaming us poor unvaxxed for all.

    I suppose what’s annoying about the Covid Pro-vaxxers is that they are like the Progressives, or Jehovah’s Witnesses, they just won’t leave people alone to decide (even if only at their own risk).

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  98. @Triteleia Laxa

    I doubt many here have had a bad case of the flu. People will get a bad fever and call it the flu when it was actually a cold.

    The flu gets deep in your lungs and you will be up all night hacking and coughing. You can’t just take a couple days off. A bad case will easily take you out for 4-5 days.

    Even after it is gone you can have all kinds of residual effects. My wife wasn’t breathing properly for a month.

    My friend actually got the flu and then covid 2 months later. He got a very early case when they weren’t even sure what it was. It took him out for a few weeks. My relatives got a mild case and he is much healthier than them.

    It’s too random to mess with and the Delta variant is worse. The hospitals are filled with people that gambled it would be a mild case at the most. Getting the shot is the safer bet.

    • Agree: Inquiring Mind
  99. There has never been a “deadly pandemic.” It has all been a manufactured crisis by the (((Leftist))) deep state as a tool to impose greater levels of tyranny, and to dispossess the middle classes and enrich the large corporations. The numbers of cases and deaths were wildly inflated by corrupt hospitals and health care organizations. The virus itself was no more deadly than the normal flu. There is nothing noble or cool or brave or fun about caving in to the (((government))) narrative on this. We should ALL rebel against it.

  100. “anti-vaxx knuckleheadedness”

    One can be suspicious of the COVID-mRNA sequence and still be, generally-speaking, pro-vaccine as I am. It’s a mistake to find likeness between this pandemic and this vaccine and say the Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968, or any other pandemics before 2020. It could be the mRNA has efficacy in older populations; but before they started the mass vaccination clinics there had been no subgroup clinical trials conducted. Within five to ten years there will probably be an explosion of autoimmune disease; which means antibodies gone insane by the Fauci fluid attacking healthy tissue. Not pleasant.

  101. Art Deco says:

    Note in Britain. Making use of an 18 day lag, the ratio of the increase in deaths to the increase in ‘cases’ was 0.002. What Glenn Reynolds said: the variants are hype.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  102. @Desiderius

    Interesting! Would the announcement of a seemingly successful vaccine before the election have pushed Trump over the top?

    Don’t know. But the degree of Trump hatred abroad in the nation was and is more intense than feelings aroused against George Bush or any other president. To the extent that I understand their feelings, it is hatred of Trump’s personality and lifestyle. The haters don’t seem to take policy differences as at all serious. That Trump was against illegal immigration and in favor of repatriation of American industry and other policies did not count for anything; it was and is the man himself they hate. So had a more emollient Republican with the same policies had been elected in Trump’s place in 2016, he might likely have been reelected. Trump’s style is extremely off-putting to many especially women, a style that was driven home every day for 4 years. I suspect that one must be extremely secure in one’s sense of self and sense of the world’s variety not to feel threatened or attacked in some way by Trump’s worldly success. It can’t be denied that Trump exuded vulgarity like cheesy Las Vegas entertainment in a cheesy Las Vegas casino. At one end of the spectrum of self-confidence in one’s world-view Trump’s vulgarity did not offend, at the other end of the social spectrum, Trump did not offend because he was not all that different from their social experience. And that electorate voted for him again in 2020. But for the millions of the socially insecure, the folks who spend their lives trying to catch up with the education they feel they missed out on by listening to NPR and watching Ken Burns documentaries, Trump was perceived as 100% antithetical to their sense of self.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  103. Art Deco says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    you will very likely get very sick

    Get a grip. The ‘outbreak’ in the UK is having a barely detectable effect on death tolls.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @Barnard
  104. And the covid fear-mongering has killed 5 times more kids in the UK than the plague itself.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/five-times-more-children-committed-suicide-died-covid-19-during-lockdown-uk-study

    Keep beating them drums, You should be proud, it’s working.

  105. NOTA says:
    @brabantian

    So far the set of people killed by covid vaccines is a very small number who had allergic reactions and maybe a few extra people with blood clotting problems. If any vaccine had even 1% of the death rate of covid, it would never have made it into phase 3 trials, and certainly would not be authorized anywhere.

    OTOH, nobody’s going to make you get the vaccine. If you let some dimwit on the internet or some amoral politician convince you not to get vaccinated, well, good luck. Hope you don’t end up drowning in your own lungs, dying of gullibility. Evolution in action.

  106. anon[301] • Disclaimer says:

    Look at professional sports. Jon Rahm tested positive at the Memorial tournament, where he was leading by 6 strokes, and won the US Open 3 week later. To say he was asymptomatic is an understatement. Same with a bunch of NY Yankee players.

    The UK has 30,000 reported cases/day– 1/2 of their January peak, but only 40 deaths/day.

    We have come full circle. It is now no longer a novel virus. It has been around over a year, and now routine. Now it is “not even the flu”.

    One problem is that there is no really good way to measure severity, other than obvious beginning points and endpoints — testing positive, hospitalization, and death. All of which have well known flaws (or statistical bias). The vaccine is highly effective at reducing severity.

    If I could break 85, I’d like an asymptomatic case, please.

  107. @Torn and Frayed

    Dude stop posting facts, we need to take experimental gene therapy so boomers like Steve can go to baseball games! Show a little compassion and self-sacrifice

    • LOL: acementhead
  108. NOTA says:
    @Gamecock

    Think of it as evolution in action.

  109. JMcG says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    My nephew is a fit 25 year old. He had it a couple of months ago. He was in bed for five days, no energy at all. I know a couple of other guys that age who’ve had it with similar symptoms. All have fully recovered.

  110. theMann says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Would love to agree, but not given the option. So this might be the place to post a funny story about the Medical Community. Not ha-ha funny, more a “my God, these stupid phucks almost killed me due to their incompetence funny.”

    So I gained 68 pounds, by actual electronic scale measurement, in the last three years. Worsening fatigue, couldn’t bring my heart rate up to hard workout level, etc., etc., screaming at Doctors for three years, why I am I gaining this weight, I am not overeating ( and honestly, how much would you have to eat to put on that much weight), something is drastically wrong. They would test for diabetes, hypoglycemia, Thyroid, and so forth. Tests show nothing wrong, so they tell me “just eat less, dude”. Like I couldn’t figure that out for myself.

    [MORE]

    Finally, I got to where I couldn’t walk 100 yards without having to stop for breath, went to the Doctors for the umpteenth time, my pulse in the 40’s, BP 100/60. They give me a stress test, which I black out on, wake up connected to an EKG with the entire staff looking at me with a “Jesus, we are getting sued ” look on their faces. They send me to the Cardiologist.

    It took me four days to get in to see him. (Parting advice – if you get worse, go the emergency room immediately.) He takes one look at my BP meds and literally rips a slash through the clipboard, informing me to stop all of them immediately. Turns out the meds were poisoning me, and would have eventually sent me into a coma. Complete improvement in 48 hours, and a move to different BP meds. BUT:

    The ran me an echo cardiogram, CTA, chest and side x-rays, side ultrasound, three different pulls of blood tests, and$3700 of after insurance expense later, decide I had a slight Tachycardia and a slight enlargement of my left ventricle. (remember, medical phuck-up in the first place!). And they wanted me to take a cardioversion. (And Eliquis, which is really pricey. AND a Statin, so lets help my heart by destroying my liver.)

    Do you know what a cardioversion is? They put you under, stop your heart, and shock it forward to see if you Afib. What could go wrong with that? Anyway, the Hospital informs me I must have a Covid test before I have the procedure, and I tell them no. So they are dumbfounded, “WHAT DO YOU MEAN, NO?” and I started in on them –

    If you asked for an HIV test, would you have every Fag from here to Timbuktu noncing, sashaying, and gamboling down to the Hospital to protest?

    -Well that isn’t what we are asking

    If an illegal alien came into the Emergency room busted up from an auto accident, would you refuse him aid without a Covid test?

    -click

    I wanted to call them back with several more examples.

    But this story illustrates the heart of the systematic incompetence of the Medical Community. They are all of them the Tech equivalent of script monkeys. They can test, and they can prescribe. If no test, no ability to figure out what is wrong. If the test is worthless (Prostate Specific Antibody, Covid, many others) they use it anyway, as that is the sum of their diagnostic ability. Then, whatever it is, they prescribe. Even though they know perfectly well that there is no possible way to predict most drug interactions with each other.

    At no point is there nutrition, exercise, sunlight.

    I state this categorically:

    The entire Medical Community from top to bottom is completely incompetent, and they have no fucking idea what they are doing with “the Covid”. Period. And clearly, TPTB knew this when they launched their Economic Weapon of Mass Destruction known as ‘the Covid”.

  111. Not kraut-eating Nietzschean ubermensch;
    Southern-born Gomer-and-Goobermensch.
    First hesitated,
    Then got vaccinated;
    Been going without a mask ever sinch.

  112. ‘A pattern has been emerging in July, during what is becoming the fifth wave of the covid pandemic in the U.S., in which some states with relatively low vaccination rates have seen a take-off in their numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths…’

    It doesn’t matter. This disease is so essentially trivial that I’ve long said this will all be over when we decide it’s over.

    We’ve decided it’s over. No one’s going to shut all the restaurants and make everyone put on the masks again. It would be political suicide.

  113. Travis says:

    The Pandemic ended months ago thanks to a combination of the vaccines and natural immunity.

    No excess deaths since March in the United States. The vast majority of adults have been vaccinated in the US. Children are mostly immune to COVID and have no need to get vaccinated.

    89% of Americans over the age of 65 are vaccinated
    73% of Americans over the age of 30 have been vaccinated.

    Back in March the CDC announced that 45% of Americans under the age of 40 had already recovered from COVID and thus have immunity. It would be a waste of resources to vaccinated the millions of Americans who have already recovered from COVID.

    Since the vaccines do not prevent COVID, vaccinated children will not help protect the elderly. 90% of the elderly already have been vaccinated. Recently 7 Yankees players contracted CV, all of them had been vaccinated. Since the vaccines do not prevent infection, there is zero benefits to vaccinating Americans under the age of 30. Young people face a far greater risk of dying from the flu or drowning in their bath tubs than being killed by a coronavirus.

    • Agree: northeast
  114. @Desiderius

    “this post is a great illustration of what weaponized normalcy bias looks like”

    Steve Sailer is smart, funny, and talented. But he displays a conventionality when it comes to the Science-Medical industrial complex.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  115. Gimeiyo says:

    I think there’s a lot of heterogeneity masked in overall state numbers. Taking California as an example, because California is enormous, I think there’s huge differences by income, race, and region. Rich Whites in California are probably >90% fully vaccinated. I would guess poor Whites are way lower. There’s a lot of heterogeneity by race too. E.g., in LA County, per their dashboard, 76% of Asians have had their first dose. Only 44% of Blacks have had theirs.
    (http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/coronavirus/vaccine/vaccine-dashboard.htm)

    The fully vaccinated percentages would of course be even lower — maybe 55% vs 25%? The number is probably available; I just do not have it. At those levels, though, given patterns of residential and social segregation in California, another surge could run up huge numbers in Black communities while leaving Asians largely unaffected.

    And within California, there’s regional differences. Bay area generally has higher vaccination rates than Southern California. Even within regions, there’s differences by neighbourhood, as you can see on the vaccination by zip code maps (e.g. https://dig.abclocal.go.com/kabc/ca-vaccine-tracker/SoCal_vax_zip_map.html). A lot of this probably comes down to race/income (zips that are overwhelmingly non-Asian minority tend to have significantly lower vaccination rates), but the degree of heterogeneity is noteworthy.

    Given California’s population, if 50% of the population were 80% vaccinated and 50% of the population were 40% vaccinated, they might look like they’re 60% vaccinated, but in a pandemic, with exponential spread, that 40% vaccinated group alone — living in different neighbourhoods, working different jobs, and socialising in different circles than the 80% group — could be enough to make their per capita numbers look like any other state stuck at 40% vaccination.

  116. Erik L says:
    @El Dato

    The epidemic phase in the US is likely already over. The endemic phase goes on forever. So Steve’s desire is entirely plausible

  117. @Art Deco

    “the variants are hype”

    You are correct. Now hand over the Ebsen pix.

  118. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:

    Bret Weinstein Dark Horse podcast
    +
    Type flccc into Google

    Yields high level info without which you may be flying blind on Covid.

  119. Why are there variants?

  120. NOTA says:
    @slumber_j

    If the FDA ever gets off their ass and approves novavax, you can get a covid vaccine that’s just a subunit vaccine (spike protein stuck to a bubble of fat, not spike protein mRNA in a bubble of fat or a spike protein gene in a harmless vector virus). It seems to work about as well as the mRNA vaccines, and it’s based on a technology that’s been used for a bunch of older vaccines.

    • Thanks: slumber_j
  121. Ben Kurtz says:

    There still isn’t much of a risk / reward case for pushing experimental vaccines on healthy subjects under the age of 50.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  122. C’mon Steve you are better than this. There are so many unknowns that reasonable people can disagree as to the correct actions. On top of that there is a good chance that the one size fits all solution is incorrect. These young men you disparage might actually be acting rationally.

    Here is a good article on the topic (more data and less snark).

    https://www.wired.com/story/the-cdc-owes-parents-better-messaging-on-the-vaccine-for-kids/

    Left me wondering the motivation for leaving the data aggregated by sex and age.

  123. Bill P says:

    I live in a border county and got vaxxed mainly because I want Trudeau to open the border to tourists and shoppers so we can get back to business as usual. I’m tired of this lockdown regime and terrified that they’ll use any excuse to keep it going.

    However, I think it should be voluntary, just like home confinement and masks should have been. I never wore a mask unless I was compelled to do so, and I went shopping most days throughout the pandemic just to get out and around.

    I think a grand total of 80 people died in my county (of 200,000), most being 80+ years old. Maybe we were lucky, but I think it’s because our first wave in Western Washington started in December 2019 and deaths weren’t counted until a few months later. Lots of people here got a nasty flu of uncertain origin in winter 2020.

  124. @Ben Kurtz

    There still isn’t much of a risk / reward case for pushing experimental vaccines on healthy subjects under the age of 50.

    The hospitals are filled with people under 50 and they are racking up billions in health care costs.

    More unvaccinated people also increases the risk of a mutation.

    mRNA vaccines aren’t new. They’ve been used for Ebola and Zika.

    This is only going to get worse. The Delta variant is going to explode in unvaccinated areas.

    Getting the shot is the responsible thing to do.

    • Replies: @anon
  125. jimbo says:
    @Desiderius

    Problem with your thesis, however, is that that is a FtM tranny. Still an interesting thread, though (and makes you wonder if she ever would have been interested in this stuff before she started on the Testosterone)

  126. res says:

    Unfortunately I couldn’t get Google Sheets to display the states’ names on the graph,

    The graph I see at the top looks like R to me, not Google Sheets, but in case it helps here is how you add labels to a Google Sheets scatterplot.
    https://infoinspired.com/google-docs/spreadsheet/add-labels-to-data-points-in-scatter-chart/

    With 50 state names the labels make the plot rather cluttered.

    I like doing scatterplots with the R car package.
    https://rdrr.io/cran/car/

    The scatterplot function offers a great deal of flexibility.
    https://rdrr.io/cran/car/man/scatterplot.html

    Here are details about the labels.
    https://rdrr.io/cran/car/man/showLabels.html

    • Thanks: Desiderius
  127. If we’re serious about getting beyond invade invite we’ll need to come to an understanding on COVID policy.

    Good thred on those stakes:

  128. Before the pandemic hit, Big Pharma was among the most disliked and distrusted industries in the country, and for good reason. They have a terrible track record. What changed? They (along with insurance companies) are consistently among the biggest political donors, spending massive amounts of money to peddle influence and maintain their monopoly on drugs, effectively fucking Americans out of anything resembling affordable health care. They juke stats in their favor, aggressively pushing dangerous drugs while covering up the potential risks..hell, they knowingly caused the opiod epidemic, pushing doctors to prescribe oxycontin when they knew it was highly addictive (and in many cases Tylenol 3 would’ve sufficed). They are no better than tobacco companies. Hundreds of thousands have died and continue to die from opioids. Now they stand to make a fortune on vaccinations without any risk of liability.

    I think most people would agree that most major organizations (from the media, to the medical establishment, to the military) have been captured. For example, all leading medical organizations now support gender-affirming care across the board. It isn’t even a question anymore. Psaki just admitted that the White House is actively flagging content for Facebook. In short, whatever data is coming out regarding Covid vaccines, consider it tainted.

    • Thanks: ThreeCranes
  129. Screwtape says:

    Funny how “racism” and “anti-vax” can coexist. I guess thats Progress. Invisible racism is “systemic” while invisible plague is “asymptomatic”. Media frenzied race “hate” hoaxes” are objects of humorous ridicule while manufactured media fear and panic over china virus are warnings to be heeded… Get your critical race vaxx or you are a notsee!

    Logical fallacies and gross manipulations of language in race are skewered while wuhan gets a blank slate.

    We can see the perversion of massive media propaganda and censorship; money, status, and self-serving bureaucracies and corporate virtue signaling as it relates to manufactured racisms but somehow as it relates to public health crises those same forces are taken on face value and “experts” from the same cloth are reviled for their truth speak and solid “data”.

    Fucking cowards. Males who would ritually abuse children so they can feel safe; destroy wealth, goodwill, and social bonds so they can shop without fear of germs; who would violate the most basic human decencies of bodily sovereignty and essential liberties so they can tilt their actuarial tables by two tenths so their fat diabetic life of gluttony can go on unimpeded. Disgusting.

    Point and shriek. Feed your swollen amygdalae. That death you fear has already happened. It was our collective dignity, credibility, and standing as a culture worthy of a future. Reason and evidence be damned, this bug is scary!

    44 chest, 32 waist. Bench 310. Lolz.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  130. Bert says:

    Granted, I realize that several of my most strident commenters are 22-year-old Nietzschean ubermensches with 56″ chests and 31″ waists who are utterly invulnerable to covid due to their being all-around immortal in general (except that they are apparently oddly likely to drop dead from vaccines, which terrify them no end, as do needles).

    I had a bit of gum surgery done by a periodontist who had previously been a dentist in the Navy. He handed me a mirror and asked if I would like to see the work in progress. I looked at the incision and handed back the mirror without comment. He then recounted that he had likewise given a 20-year-old Marine patient a chance to see a splayed out gum. The kid fainted.

    • Replies: @Gaspar DeLaFunk
  131. @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    According to the CDC 70% of Adults over the age of 21 have been vaccinated and 80% of those over the age of 60 have been vaccinated. Most of those choosing not to get the experimental vaccines have already recovered from COVID and will have natural immunity lasting years.

    It seems the people most afraid of Covid have already been vaccinated and these are the same fools walking around my town still wearing masks outside.

    Covid, a virus so deadly you have to be tested to even know you have it. The majority of those testing positive for Covid over the past two weeks were already vaccinated. If we end the massive testing scam we will see cases crumble. Deaths from Covid remain rare across America. No excess deaths from Covid observed for months. Cases are a distraction used to keep people scared and controlled and to boost the profits of Pfizer.

  132. I think Steve is trying to do us a favor. He’s been quietly clued in that the Big Guys are about to unleash the really deadly virus variation upon humanity. This variant really will kill any who aren’t vaccinated. Up to now, the whole point of the exercise has been to separate the wheat from the chaff. Now, on to the main event, which is to rid the world of deplorables. Steve’s just passing on a word to the wise, “This is your last chance. Get vaccinated or die.”

    We are rats running a maze in a big Skinner Box. With the advent of complete surveillance via your TV, cell phone, automobile GPS, laptop and urban cameras, this is no longer a metaphor. It is the simple, literal Truth. The guys in the white lab coats look down upon us through a one-way mirror. They can block any path in the maze or unblock it. For example:

    Alternative fixes for infection such as Hydroxychloroquine? Banned. Access denied. That path in the maze is walled off by a barricade inserted from above. Russian vaccine? Access denied. Escape from the vaccine? Denied. Soon to be door to door canvassing. Why so consistently are barriers inserted between we the rats and any alternate paths through the maze? This can only be done with malevolent intent, malicious fore and hind sight.

    And the path in the maze you are challenged with running? Revealed in the papers published prior to the outbreak in which just such an outbreak of a highly contagious viral disease is discussed as though it were inevitable. And a response–a vaccine–is rolled out within days of said outbreak.

    The guys running this scam are the brainy geeks who wouldn’t play football or basketball with us after school. They live in a world of sci-fi fantasy. Their vision is untethered to reality. They live in their minds.They never skinned their knuckles repairing their cars, can’t loosen the bolts holding the transmission to the engine of their car, etc. Have no interest in doing so. For them, technology is equated with writing software, which is why they were perfectly okay with shipping all that dirty brick and mortar stuff overseas. And all the good Americans who haven’t been able to find jobs to replace those they lost access to? Well, that’s their problem. They’re losers in the game of life. And they won’t shut up. Now they found this guy whom they can rally around. This must stop immediately. They must be eliminated.

    Thing about elimination is, it’s messy. Killing people in cold blood with a bullet to the back of the skull is an unpleasant task. Just ask the Jewish Soviet and German Nazi Secret Services. Even murder gets tiresome. The executioners feel qualms and hesitate. A better way must be devised. Aha! Let’s kill them off in a massive plague. That way, no one’s accountable. It can be blamed on “Nature”. Just one of those things, dontcha know. All we need do is hire untouchables to dispose of the bodies. Hell, Mexicans and blacks will do that–well, Mexicans anyway. And in exchange, we’ll grant them citizenship. A Win/Win! Bind them to us through collusion in disposing of the unloyal and simultaneously give them the seats occupied by the expelled former citizens. A perfect, hands-rubbing-each-other-in-glee plan.

  133. Rahan says:

    And because the mRNA vaccines make you much less likely to pass on the germ

    If the US govt and western govts in general allowed the importation of trad dead virus vaccines, this would be much less of an issue. Sure, “China and Russia are super evil”…
    https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/7/
    https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/5/
    https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/100/

    … but what about India? India is also making a trad vaccine.
    https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/9/

    And it’s very difficult to believe that the West isn’t capable of making one as well–or twenty for that matter–if big pharma and great reset politics are curtailed.

    This “sure your choice is restricted and we lied about everything from the start, but now you gotta get the jab so that everything goes back to normal except the great reset is only just starting” that’s not OK.

    In places like New Zealand they try out the basic scenarios. For example the ways they suddenly took everyone’s rifles that time, eh?

    [MORE]

    The Guardian:

    As countries look for a post-pandemic pathway back to “normal”, New Zealand is making no promises – and its population seems startlingly happy with that.

    Around the world, some governments are hitting full throttle with rhetoric about a “return to normal” and the freedoms of a pre-pandemic world. New Zealand’s approach has been cautious by contrast. The government has made no assurances of a return to normal anytime soon, announced no multi-step “pathway out”, and put forward no timeline for re-opening borders even to vaccinated travellers.

    For the population, that messaging seems to have sunk in: the vast majority of New Zealanders – 91% – do not expect life to return to normal, even once they are vaccinated.

    In recent speeches and media interviews, prime minister Jacinda Ardern has likened the Covid-19 pandemic to the 9/11 terror attacks in the US – in the sense that even after the immediate damage was cleared, the experience continued to transform the way countries approached security, travel and immigration. “After 9/11 our borders changed forever, and our borders are likely to change quite permanently as a result of Covid-19,” Ardern said.

    Why would you buy a used car from these people? Why would you let them teach your kids? Why would you follow any recommendation whatsoever from them? What non-imaginary proof do you have that in spite of constantly lying and making your life worse over the last decades, they in fact have your happiness and health as an ultimate goal?

    And even if they do. What makes you think think that their definition of your happiness and health overlaps with yours?

    Bottom line:
    1) In the 1990s “let’s just agree not to debunk the holocaust, what’s the problem” killed free speech and made the creation of endless privileged groups possible.
    2) In the 200os “let’s just curtail your freedoms for a little bit until we get the bombers” turned out to be the gateway to never getting those freedoms back.
    3) What can make any sane man think, that what is happening now is now a leap into the same direction but farther, deeper, and stronger? What makes one think that this is the last little tiny submissive gesture they have to do, and then all the other crap gets undone and all the old freedoms and dignities are suddenly restored?

  134. @Redneck farmer

    That will protect you from severe disease but much more likely to have a symptomatic infection and onward transmission than the mRNA vaccines. Also how is an inactivated adenovirus somehow acceptable (that’s also a technology not used in any routinely administered vaccine) but chemically modified mRNA in a liposome carrier is not?

    • Replies: @mapman
  135. @Steve Sailer

    Even before the military was vaccinated almost none of the infected troops were hospitalized.

    Several US naval ships had Covid outbreaks back in 2020 and of the 39,000 reported cases in 2020 just 3 fatalities among our Navy personnel.

    Back in 2020 the military detected 293,000 cases and just 1,209 were hospitalized with 22 deaths. Similar to the swine flu pandemic of 2009 when 18 died from the flu.

    even before the vaccines, it was extremely rare to be hospitalized when infected with Covid if you were in the military, since young people face little to no risk from this coronavirus.

  136. I’m in one of the states with really low vaccination rates. The new variant appears to be somewhat more dangerous to younger people, too.

    Old people generally got their vaccines. Even the most conservative, religious types. I don’t think people under 25 ever needed to be especially concerned. But our problems lie with people 30-60 who think they are so healthy with their beefy 240-260 pound frames (that’s quite fat for a male and really fat for a female, which matches my general observations anytime I go to a lower-end grocery store) and hypertension and thus they don’t need the shot.

    It would be fun to do a study in one of the less vaccinated states and measure the average weight and mile run times of vaccinated 30-40 year olds vs. unvaccinated ones. Despite some outliers, you’d probably find the vaccinated group at least 20 pounds lighter.

    Now I’m mainly explaining why many Southern states have low vaccination rates. In the less vaccinated Mountain states the explanation probably has more to do with paranoia about the federal government than delusions about their health.

    • Agree: Pixo
  137. jb says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Here is a very interesting article by “a Postdoctoral Researcher at UCLA who studies how the evolution of RNA viruses is shaped by ecological processes within and between hosts.” It explains how once your immune system has had any exposure to covid — via infection or vaccine, it makes no difference — you will never be at the same risk from future variants, because no future variant is ever likely to be entirely novel.

    Novelty Means Severity: The Key To the Pandemic

    The article appears as a guest post on the blog of Zeynep Tufekci, who I have a great deal of respect for, because she has been right about the pandemic early and often.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  138. Edmund says:
    @RichardTaylor

    How about the lockdown was stupid and unnecessary AND those fearful of the vaccines are also dumb?

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Marquis
  139. With the tonnage of bias on the scale here that is the best they can come up with?

    I have no problem looking at that scatter plot and presuming that an honest analysis would give the exact opposite inference.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  140. J.Ross says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I’m worried about the end of elections, the decline in the standard of living, and the normalization of violent crime. I’m not worried about the virus. I’m not worried about whether you are worried about the virus.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
  141. Rahan says:

    More on vaccines.

    The West today uses only 4 COVID vaccines:
    1) RNA serums Pfeizer an Moderna
    2) Adenoviral vector vaccines Astra Zeneca and Johnson & Johnson

    Some countries focus more on 1), while others more on 2), and others still mix it up.
    Sputnik V, for the record, is the same type as Astra Zeneca and Johnson & Johnson, with the same effects.

    What is the problem with the second type? The Adenoviral vector type?
    The problem is that:
    a) when you get the jab, all your latent problems flare up sharply, and
    b) for at least two weeks after the jab your immune system is like you have AIDS (which is a separate issue on why people aren’t told this)

    So imagine you’ve spent your life unconsciously building your routines around various health limitations. Say you look like you’ve got everything under control, but maybe your allergies act up sometimes, or not even allergies but simply food sensitivities, or you’ve got mind neuralgia once a week, or borderline arthritis, or your lungs are borderline chronic bronchitis, or your heart maybe has a minor fault, or your inner filters (liver, kidneys, etc) need some managing a few times a year, but you sense all this, and you consciously or unconsciously take care of this, and you’re fine.

    [MORE]

    Then you get the vector jab and it all erupts. And maybe it cripples you, or kills you, or just pushes all the underlying borderlines problems “across the border” and from now on you’re a chronic outpatient.

    The developers of these vaccines carry out fixed trials, into which they do not allow anyone with any conditions whatsoever. Only the very healthy. And they report the side-effects based on this sample. Including in Russia, for Sputnik V. And there too, people—athletes even—go get the jab and drop dead, and people are like “well he should have known his mild heart condition made him a risk”.

    But mostly everyone hides the huge bad sideeffects ratio, for the same reasons they hide immigrant and minority crime, LGBT pedophile grooming, and obvious proof that the US election was stolen in a number of cities and counties. They collectively hide it “for the greater good”, to “not give ammunition to crazies” and to “not undermine faith in science” and also because they are paid to hide it. The usual mix of warped “idealism” and bribery.

    So people are on one hand supposed to just trust the govt, and big phrama, and the media, but on the other are supposed to do their own research, including to suddenly discover all their personal latent ailments, but also machete through all the half-truths and evasions about the vaccines, and if they didn’t do this mega research about their own health and the jab – then it’s their own bloody fault. What?

    China is using their vector vax on their military conscripts. This is used as an argument that the vector jab is safe. Yes, sure. ONLY FOR THOSE WHO MADE THE FILTER INTO THE ARMY. And in China, from a population of 1.4 billion, they only take those they really need. So just like big pharma filters the participants of the trials, to make sure they are all “astronaut tier health”, the same goes for the army. Sane armies, at least.

    But if you’re not a perfectly healthy youth, but have mild issues, these mild issues will be abruptly amplified by an Astra Zeneca, or a Johnson & Johnson, or a Sputnik V jab. If you’re in top health, you won’t even notice it. If you’re almost in top health, you’ll spend a couple of days with a temperature and aching muscles. But if you’ve got any actual ailments, actual or latent, boy are you in for fun times.

    Since Russia is still to a large extent a mafia country, the population gets mostly the vector vax. China, being a more grownup country in this respect, gives its civilians the trad dead virus vax, which doesn’t instantly turn your borderline heart condition into full-blown heart-failure.

    Now let’s take the fancy modern experimental RNA vaccines Pfeizer and Moderna.

    Do they have in themselves LESS surprises than Astra Zeneca, Johnson & Johnson, and Sputnik V? Are they as safe for random civilians with half a dozen minor ailments as is a trad dead virus vax? Or do they potentially have EVEN MORE surprises that Astra Zeneca, Johnson & Johnson, and Sputnik V?

    And do these surprises have perhaps a longer activation term (could the “immune system of guy with AIDS” suddenly kick in a year later), or even the potential to pass on to your kids?

    All we know is that whatever happens it’ll be “your own damn fault”, according to the benevolent govt, media, and pharma in Russia, and “something no one could have foreseen, an act of fate, a fluke”, according to the benevolent govt, media, and pharma in the blessed West.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  142. Marquis says:

    Pretty weak correlation given that the CDC has separate testing guidelines and is recommending vaxxed people not get tested. Look at other countries where they are still testing everyone.

  143. J.Ross says:
    @Nikolai Vladivostok

    Oh, you got the shot to return to normalcy? Now put your mask back on. And be ready for re-lockdown in the fall. And schedule boosters.
    Do you light your car on fire to change its oil?

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  144. Mike1 says:

    There are plenty of places to go for Democratic talking points. This is just cut and paste.

    Like it or not, this medical treatment fits no historical definition of “vaccination”. You show no sign at all of having spent any time analyzing what this is.

    We simply have no idea how this will play out in the medium to long term. People who have a medium to long term focus (younger people) do not have to think the way someone like you (fairly old and serious medical issues) thinks. You have nothing to lose. Young people do.

    MRNA is not new. The evidence over the decades it has been played with is not positive. There is a reason this has never received approval before.

  145. @Altai

    Just wait for UN Agenda 21 style housing and urban planning to get going in the US.

  146. Stealth says:

    If someone thinks the vaccine is safe and effective, then he/she should take the shot and stop worrying about whether I’ve taken it. Covid has become an fixation for busybodies who apparently think that everyone’s life must now revolve around it.

    Yes, there is a virus, and yes, people died. But was it really worth it to throw away the last of our freedom for a virus that kills less than one in 200 people, and that will likely degrade into just another seasonal respiratory bug? Is struggling to get this thing one hundred percent under control really worth all we seem to have lost? It’s been said a lot, but bears repeating: This will never go away. The War on Covid is here to stay, just like the War on Terror. That’s why it’s foolish to think of taking the vaccine as making some kind of trade or concession. Vaccinated or not, you’re probably going to be under some form of lockdown anyway – forever.

  147. Anon[160] • Disclaimer says:

    No. Nope. Never.
    What part of “brand-new, never-tested, no-medium-or-long-term-data gene-therapy” don’t you understand?

  148. anon[669] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve you’re such a coward fag lol

    Enjoy justifying your 2020 misfires for the precious few years left of your blogging existence

  149. Anon[969] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desiderius

    The rule is, sh*t hole countries get infected last. The natives only leave and rarely return, and outsiders don’t go there to vacation. This means these countries lag in being hit.

  150. gent says:

    Stop shilling the gene mods you dumb fuck.

  151. Government policies turned what should have been a 1930 recession into the Great Depression?

    The Government shutdown the country in March, 2020. That’s a pretty good indicator that the Covid crisis had already passed by then.

    How much more governmental abuse are we supposed to take? What’s next: Covid checkpoints on the highways?

    As in all authorized, government powers, even if there’s a modicum of justification for one (e.g. teaching 3Rs to desperately poor kids), it’s still a big mistake to allow it. Abuse is guaranteed.

    [MORE]

    I’m so sick and tired of:

    • The Government telling us to “Say no to drugs, except for the drugs that we think are good and insist that you take.”

    • The DEMs telling us that “A woman has the right to control her own body, except in the case of the Covid vaccine.”

    A man has the right to control his own head. Abolish motorcycle helmet laws.

  152. Pixo says:

    “ Granted, I realize that several of my most strident commenters are 22-year-old Nietzschean ubermensches ”

    I have a strong immune system and am very healthy in my 30s, so i was worried about feeling like crap for 2 days with the vax rather than covid.

    I got it anyway, was bedridden and feverish for the next 24 hours as I feared. I expected this immune overreaction so I got the weakest vax, the one dose j&j. It was very hard to find, I called 20 places to find it, and needed to make an appointment while every single pharmacy and large grocery had walk-in mRNA vax.

    Ultimately I didn’t want to be a bad person who killed my elderly relatives. I recommend the weaker and more traditional j&j if you are in a similar boat. Younger and healthier people are able to make antibodies with smaller and fewer exposures.

    • Replies: @Anon
  153. Anon[969] • Disclaimer says:

    Dr. John Campbell just reported on YouTube about a study in Israel, that out of 5.1 million vaccinated people, only 304 who caught Covid afterward ended up sick enough to go to the hospital. That’s a tiny amount. Those who have been vaccinated who catch Covid afterward, by and large, just get a common cold or are asymptomatic.

  154. Ya see, the reason so many of us are skeptical is that we’ve known guys like Fauci since grade school. They were frack ups then and in high school and college. The geeks. But from college on they were insulated from the people, the general run-of-the-mill people of the population, who knew what frack ups they were and are.

    Even then, we could see that they were clumsy. We could see that every time they tried to do something with and in the material world, they screwed it up. So it’s not surprising to us that in experimenting with these deadly viruses, one would escape from the lab or be transported out of the lab or get out in whatever way. Just to formulate something in your head is not equivalent with bringing it into being in the realm of the material. “Between the inspiration and the creation lies the Shadow.” T. S. Eliot

    And these guys, instead of coming clean with the American public (who are, after all, in their opinion not intelligent enough to navigate their way forward) hired public relations guys to plot how best to cover their asses. Just as was done after the 2008 flame-out of the over-leveraged investment houses.

    Because, at bottom, you, Fauci and company, subscribe to the Bernays theory of the people, i.e. they are too dumb to navigate and must be tricked into doing what’s best for them and this requires a class of Supermen–yes, Steve, you’ve misidentified who plays whom in this drama–to lead them.

    Only problem, the so-called, self-styled Supermen are anything but. And the thing is, we, your fellow citizens, know you to be such. We see your incompetence, your vast overrating of your abilities. We know you to be what you are–frackups. You can’t manufacture consensus with unmitigated bullsh*t. Nobody’s that stupid. Everything you’ve done points in one direction–massive coverup for a massive error.

    And you can’t handle that. So you rationalize your failures by citing IQ statistical correlation with worldly success and remind us how, as bad as you are, the run of the mill citizen is even more likely to screw up. Yes, well. Screw ups by the run of the mill don’t affect millions or billions of people or dollars, do they? As far as we can tell, you differ from us only in the scale of your mistakes.

    And what bugs us is that we see through you and yet you don’t perceive that we perceive. You really and truly believe that if you lie enough, you are actually fooling everyone who doesn’t matter.

    I won’t moralize. It wouldn’t matter anyway. The Faucis and the Goldman Sachs guys won’t change, couldn’t and can’t change. They’re too far gone in believing the myth of their own Supermanhood. But, I know that somewhere out there, there are some really bright and influential people who know that what I’m saying is true.

  155. @Achmed E. Newman

    From a comment on the Zman’s site.

    ” the Yankees-Red Sox game was cancelled due to positive Yankee Covid tests. The spinners are, after a day, forced to admit that a “majority” of those six players were vaccinated. They couldn’t simply say five of the six players testing positive are “vaccinated””

    18 months of proven, predicted documented bullshit and the Wokel’s are still true believers.

    I never thought I’d view “Idiocracy” as hopelessly optimistic.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  156. @Art Deco

    The ratio of deaths to cases from pre-vaccine to now, is about 10:1 in England.

    Given that half of the dying are unvaccinated, we might guesstimate that the vaccinated will only have a 1/20 chance of dying than they would have.

    This is very good news, but this also has little to do with the main point I made.

    People who choose to forgo the vaccine will not be protected from transmission by people who get it. As things return to normal, it is extremely probably that they will be exposed, and they will get very sick and may even die.

  157. Last time I got a vaccine it took 17 years to get back to having a normal digestive system.
    One where I could eat a normal meal with more than one course in it and not have to schedule 2 hours on the toilet afterwards.

    Never again.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  158. Sajid Javid tests positive for Covid: Double-jabbed Health Secretary, 51, is self-isolating at home despite getting his second dose of AstraZeneca vaccine

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9797961/Sajid-Javid-tests-positive-Covid-19-despite-having-jabs.html

  159. @Triteleia Laxa

    As things return to normal, it is extremely probably that they will be exposed, and they will get very sick and may even die.

    We’re all gonna die! But not from the Flu Manchu, from hysteria-induced Totalitarianism.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  160. Barnard says:
    @Art Deco

    Yes, Scotland was driving the U.K. outbreak and cases have already peaked there. The seven day death average in Scotland rose from 2 to 7 so yes, it went up but unless it spikes from here it is hardly anything to make the average person change his behavior. Their vaccination rates are high, perhaps the vaccines don’t work as well as advertised. There is no justification for forcing the vaccine on young people or disrupting their lives to get tested.

  161. @Achmed E. Newman

    For most of the 20 somethings I know who have had Covid, it is the sickest they have ever been. They weren’t going to die, it wasn’t the end of the world, but it’s not a spa day with 3 course meal and champagne either.

  162. Mr. Anon says:

    That correlation couldn’t have anything to do with this, could it?

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

    As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.

    …………………………………………………..

    Some health departments may continue to report all vaccine breakthrough cases to the national database and can continue to submit specimens to CDC for sequencing. However, CDC will focus its monitoring on reported hospitalized and fatal cases.

    Is the CDC even logging most “cases” among the already vaccinated? What they seem to be saying in the quote above, and implying to local health departments, is “We don’t care about COV in the vaccinated, and neither should you”.

    [MORE]

    In Israel, something like 40% of new cases are among the previously vaccinated, against only 1% who previously had COVID. Natural immunity appears to be a lot more effective than their mRNA concoction.

    As would have been expected and known by doctors five or ten years ago. But – now, miraculously – natural acquired immunity counts for nothing. The WHO even scrubbed natural immunity as a contributor to herd immunity from its definition of herd immunity last summer. All the better to jab you with, my dear.

    Why are they pushing the vaccine on everyone? Irrespective of whether they’ve alread had the disease? Or whether they are quite young and fit. There is a demographic – a large one – for whom their chances of dying from the Vax are greater than dying from the disease. It is grossly irresponsible – negligent – criminal, actually – to willy-nilly push the vaccine on these people.

    I’m not one of them by the way. I’m a regular middle-aged guy in average health. Why am I not taking the vax? Because THEY all want me to – from the corrupt, fraudulent puppet President all the way down to the latest pop-tart of the year. From almost every idiot empty talking head on TV, like Brianna Keilar and John Berman, to celebrated athletes and college football coahes (Even Nick Saban appeared in an ad pushing the vax). Because there is a concerted, well-funded, propaganda campaign pushing it. Because they are censoring anyone who questions the narrative, even a little bit. Because it is clearly part of a sinister agenda by the World’s wealthy to exert panopticon like control over the entire World.

    F**k those people. Don’t wanna. Ain’t gonna.

    But it’s also increasingly obvious that anti-vaxx knuckleheadedness is putting people in the emergency room and the cemetery.

    You know, Steve, if you’re going to shill for Klaus Schwab, you should at least get something out of it. Maybe he could buy you a new washing machine.

    So let’s get this stupid, tiresome pandemic over and done in ’21.

    It will be over whey they say it is, and not before. It will be over only when it has accomplished their objectives. Health has got nothing to do with it.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
  163. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    Citing a 38% r (Why not r-squared?) for deaths, the only remotely trustworthy indicator…

    Parroting neurolinguistic programming catchphrases such as “anti-vaxx” (Anti which vax? For whom? Subject to what conditions for commercial and regulatory integrity? Is the longstanding clinicial concept of fitness for vaccination anti-vaxx? If one is dubious about suspending the Nuremberg Code for medical experimentation, is that anti-vaxx?)

    If you hope to lecture us about public health, you need to pull your head out of your mass media ass and come to terms with the industry corruption and malversation of the historic false claim underlying the EUAs. Here.

    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/

    Educate yourself, Doctor Science.

  164. @Achmed E. Newman

    This has been around for long enough for plenty of evidence to accumulated. I’m not saying anything sensational. I’ve never had a temperature for more than 1 or maybe 2 days in my life. I am just pointing out that, in that context, Covid is unpleasant and best mitigated.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/covid-pandemic-mortality-risk-estimator

  165. Mr. Anon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Makes me wonder if you, Steve, really are a shill. Makes me wonder if I should send you the money I was planning to send in August.

    I’ve given Steve a few bucks over the years. Nothing most years, but then I tried to make up for it with a respectable check every five years or so. I was due to make another contribution last year and then I didn’t because of this site’s non-stop COVID hysteria. After this post, I’m certain – I’m done. I imagine I’m not the only one here. Of course there are lots of posters here who seem to approve of this site’s increasingly strident tone towards us “knuckledraggers”, so maybe it’ll be awash. But as for me, I will redirect my modest financial support to independent voices who see through this sham; people like James Corbett, Dave Cullen, and Whitney Webb.

    Anyway, next time Steve needs a new garage door opener or whatever, he should ask Bill Gates.

  166. Kgaard says:
    @Gaspar DeLaFunk

    I think we can deduce the readership’s views on vaccination just by the comment section. The author is getting ratio’ed at about 15 to 1 against I’d say.

  167. JimDandy says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    People who choose to forgo the vaccine will not be protected from transmission by people who get it. As things return to normal, it is extremely probably that they will be exposed, and they will get very sick and may even die.

    They will get very sick, eh? So, as things get “return to normal” the virus will become significantly more potent, dooming everyone who is exposed to serious illness? Are you making the argument that vaccinated people will shed mutations of the virus that are much more powerful?

  168. Mr. Anon says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    For most of the 20 somethings I know who have had Covid, it is the sickest they have ever been. They weren’t going to die, it wasn’t the end of the world, but it’s not a spa day with 3 course meal and champagne either.

    The horror! The horror!.

    And at the end of it, they come out with much better immunity than is conferred by any vaccine. Doesn’t sound like such a bad deal to me.

  169. Oh, for fuck’s sake. Every fucking person on the planet has had the flu and/or received a vaccine for flu viruses, and yet the flu is still with us and always will be. Even if you vaccinated every single person on the planet for COVID-19, we will still be getting COVID next year. You don’t exterminate respiratory viruses. The pandemic will end when we stop caring about it so much, and most likely when we stop running a million PCR tests a day and only run a few thousand/year. A sad fact of life is that your immune system starts to fail as you get into your 60s and 70s, and even the common cold can kill you. By this Fall, if we are still running 1 million PCR tests per day, we will be getting 20-50K new cases at a minimum even though the entire population will, by that time be vaccinated or recovered from an infection with COVID. It is an endemic virus and nothing, literally nothing is going to change that.

    • Troll: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Guest29048
  170. Viruses like this simply mutate too fast to exterminate, and spread too easily. It is probable that all of these viruses have resevoirs in permanent carriers or other animal species. We are playing Whackamole here.

  171. More people are dying from the vaccine than are dying from covid.

  172. Anonymous[416] • Disclaimer says:

    So let’s get this stupid, tiresome pandemic over and done in ’21.

    Of course, other than for profits, the reason the regime pushes for universal ‘vax’ is to fully open up the economy post-Trump. If they opened up without universal ‘vax’ and things turned out alright, the Big Lie(that it was greatly exaggerated) will have been exposed.

    It will be just another surrender to the regime, but conservatism is just that. Always yielding, like the horse to the pigs in 1984. The real lesson for the regime is it can get away with anything.

    Maybe we should pay reparations too. It will finally end ‘stupid, tiresome’ racial strife.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  173. Dutch Boy says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It is especially egregious that the vaccine fanatics are insisting that young people and those who have recovered from Covid get the jab too. The first group is at minimal risk from Covid, the second group might suffer actual harm from Antibody Dependent Enhancement, an immune system phenomenon that has been noted in lab animals given experimental SARS vaccines and then exposed to SARS viruses. It is serious and often fatal. It is also notable that the VAERS system in the USA and the equivalent system in Europe have reported several thousand deaths and tens of thousands of injuries post vaccination, an unprecedented result for any previous vaccine. Put this together with the active suppression of information about inexpensive drugs and nutrients effective against Covid and you get a picture of a health policy driven by Big Pharma to maximize vaccination at any cost, including lives.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  174. Piss off Steve. I’m part of the control group.
    If you cannot address ivermectin, hcq and such, then stop the vaccine bullcrap too.

    • Replies: @NOTA
  175. SafeNow says:

    A free order of french fries won’t do it. A $1,000 payment to get vaccinated might be necessary, say economists. Another proposal is a $1,500 payment to get vaccinated. Everybody. $383 billion. Problematic. JAMA article –

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2775005

    Alternatively, government could spend that money to create ubiquitous, free, fast, friendly clinics to treat diabetes and hypertension, which are two of the three primary comorbidities, and are highly treatable. (Obesity, the third comorbidity, is of course almost impossible to manage.) Well, forget the “friendly” part, I don’t know what came over me. Anyway, this would largely eliminate severe Covid, and have a side benefit of eliminating to a great extent diabetes and hypertension, cool.

  176. Nico says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    This is no one-off and done PanicFest. Those who fell for it need to realize that, just as those who fell for the Police State build-up due to “The terrorists are under the bed!” may have realized 20 years later that, it never ends.

    Terrorists are indeed under the bed but that’s because the fearmongering leaders happen to be same antiracist grifters and immigration apologists who plant and cultivate them, beginning with W, whose stand-down orders enabled 9/11 to happen. Same with COVID-19: it is a disease of globalism and the chicanery is clear in many of the same leaders shutting us in, refusing to close the borders for most of the spectacle.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  177. if we’ve learned anything from this pandemic,

    It’s beyond obvious to your readers that you have in fact learned absolutely nothing true here. Your blind regurgitation of Rachel Maddow’s talking points and official government propaganda has a lot of us perplexed and flummoxed Steve.

    • Agree: JR Ewing
  178. Barnard says:

    The most beneficial approach for everyone is going to come from pushing back against hysteria. There are still some teachers pushing for remote learning next year, many more are pushing for mask mandates for students. Mitch Daniels told Purdue students they are essentially going to have to take two weeks of Fs if they test positive and are not vaccinated. There are hospitals still pushing draconian visitation policies even for those who are dying.

    Getting more people to take the vaccine is going to require rebuilding public trust after 15 months of blatant lying and manipulation by elites. Admit the vaccine doesn’t provide any added benefit if you already have antibodies from getting Covid. Admit the vaccine is causing some adverse effects in a small number of people including a few deaths and that any long term negative outcomes are unknown at this time. Admit healthy children are at zero risk of hospitalization of death from Covid and respect that many parents do not want them to take this experimental vaccine. Educate people to make what is the best personal decision for themselves regarding the vaccine by weighing the unknown short and long term risks of taking it against their own likely outcome of getting Covid. This will bring about greater compliance in getting tested and isolating if they suspect they have it. The way the hysterics are treating the unvaccinated it will lead the ones with mild symptoms to try and pass it off as cold and act like they don’t have it. It is clear globohomo corporate and the Biden administration are not willing to do any of this.

  179. @Triteleia Laxa

    I (early 50’s male) had Covid last Fall.
    Fever and headache for a couple of days followed by loss of smell for two weeks.

    As far as upper respiratory illnesses of my adult life go, it would not rank near the top ten for severity nor duration.

    Having said that, I did get the vaccine 9 months after recovery for vocational and travel reasons. The vaccine seams to be pretty effective and mostly benign so far.

  180. according to stuff i’m reading, it appears the duration of effectiveness for some of the vaccines is shorter than expected. lots of people who are vaccinated are getting covid. above the rate of the expected effectiveness rate.

  181. Anakim says:

    For those confused by Sailer’s Narrative, understand what he is: an atheistic HBD ‘thought leader’. HBD is a eugenics program, and the Covid Hoax is being pushed by Eugenics leaders such as Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab.

    It’s very likely that Sailer supports their agenda.

    Fascinating that he pushes it to his own readership, but then I don’t believe that he actually likes many of his European-Christian followers.

    Remember that Sailer is very proud of his genetic history, marking him as half-Ashkenazi.

    He knows this is all a lie. The purpose is Agenda 2030, and a massive planet-wide upheaval.

    There will be a large culling. Thanks to the mRNA poison of Sailer’s choice. These are not vaccines.

    • Troll: Hangnail Hans
  182. Stealth says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    And I sure hope that dealing with rolling lockdowns from here unto eternity is worth it.

  183. @Triteleia Laxa

    Mr. Laxa, if we’re talking non-life threatening illnesses that young people don’t usually get, even then, no. I was sick for 2 days from some kind of food poisoning 20 years ago to where I had to hold it all in for 45 minutes to drive to the hotel from the workplace (out of town), walk through the lobby white as a sheet, and had stuff coming out of any and all orifices in the bathroom. It stayed bad for 2 days. I have no idea what that was all about. It’s by far the worst I’ve felt other than just after a couple of vehicle wrecks. No, I take that back. Once I knew I’d be OK, even the vehicle wrecks were better.

    I don’t expect any illness to be as nice as a spa day with a 3 course meal and champagne. Hell, I’ve never had a spa day with a 3 course meal and champagne, but if I get the Kung Flu, then maybe my wife can make it up to me the next week with a spa day with a 3 course meal and champagne. Actually, I’d prefer Southern Comfort.

  184. Muggles says:

    I am highly skeptical of any early co-relationships claimed based on COVID stats.

    As we may recall over a year ago iSteve in his ongoing effort to glean facts from stats. had numerous charts, graphs, etc. which all tried to demonstrate cause and effect with things like masking requirements, lockdowns, etc.

    All of this seemed to prove very little other than that, as is now widely agreed, masks are theatre and lockdowns are at best temporary solutions. Whenever draconian lockdowns were lifted (mainly in Europe) things returned to pre lockdown patterns.

    Early stats in Third World places seem to show amazing resistance to COVID. We now know (and wise people always assumed) that these stats were worthless. Even now. China is also suspect for the obvious reason that like in American Soviet style “journalism” truth is buried to fit the current Narrative.

    With the vaccines now, it is purely a personal health matter. Take the vax or don’t. Your choice (or should be.) All the fussing about “rising positive COVID” tests, etc. is just noise. This isn’t government’s business, period.

    (I am “fully vaxxed” now but wonder if that is really worthwhile…)

    This Falusci funded pandemic, created by the CCP, is merely demonstrating how the wolves herd the sheep. This isn’t smallpox. Wear a mask, socially “distance” and/or get vaxxed. Or don’t.

    In the meantime, they should be working on a cure for Joe Biden’s senility.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  185. Comment-thread is predictably lit.

    Anyhow, as someone who’s tired of arguing, my standing proposal as of a couple of months ago is to remove all restrictions, mask mandates, vax requirements, etc. on condition that those who don’t get vaccinated agree to be last in line for COVID-related treatment. All other medical procedures, including scheduled operations, should take priority.

  186. anon[272] • Disclaimer says:

    So let’s get this stupid, tiresome pandemic over and done in ’21

    Not until Pfizer’s injection receives full FDA approval, dude, including “boosters” in the future. Then maybe Ivermectin and Hydroxy will no longer be forbidden to discuss in polite company, too.

    The money and social control aspects of this have become painfully obvious to anyone who cares to notice.

  187. I don’t follow the scamdemic, but I’ve heard snippets that Big Pharma has been granted legal immunity from lawsuits related to negative reactions to the crap-cine.

    The lawyer-DEMs will never uphold it.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  188. anon[272] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Anyhow, as someone who’s tired of arguing

    Since when?

    lol

  189. George says:

    One reason not to get the mRNA genetic therapy vaccine is that subunit vaccines will be available in the future.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subunit_vaccine

    I don’t understand why an ‘old fashioned’ inactivated virus vaccine, like SinoVac, is not available.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoronaVac

  190. Not vaccinated, but I have antibodies due to COVID infection in the beginning of the year. I have yet to be convinced–much to the consternation of my wife–that I need to inject this stuff into my system.

    Frankly, I’m ambivalent on the vaxx. I think it’s certainly wise for high-risk groups (e.g., I encouraged my elderly parents to get it asap), but for young & healthy, I can’t see how it’s a better option than running the risk of infection and then resort to, say, the Zelenko protocol, Ivermectin, etc., along with vigilance on the O2 saturation.

    How many COVID19 deaths were due to people receiving absolutely zero information about monitoring O2 saturation by our wonderful MSM, and instead waited to go to the hospital only after their lungs passed the point of no return?

    I ask this as one who, on Steve’s advice back in early 2020, immediately got a pulse oximeter upon getting my positive diagnosis, saw my O2 dropping over the course of the week, got admitted to the hospital and received a course of remdesivir, and emerged unscathed and with great antibodies to boot.

    This all-hands-on-deck push by the usual suspects to get 100% of everyone vaccinated–from toddlers to the elderly–just stinks to high heaven to me.

  191. @Nico

    We are on the same page, Nico. I am referring to the Police State apparatus known as Motherland Security and the TSA. BTW, did anyone on here know that the TSA was made responsible for the stupid Federal mask law (law, EO, I don’t know) for passengers at airport terminals? Passengers are truly getting sick of it, and many are getting pretty slack about it, cough, cough, #MeToo.

    Back to your subject, I refer to the searching through body and property of regular Americans, as if Amendment IV is no longer in effect. They are those “terrorists under the bed”.

    Yes, I agree completely about the stupidity and hypocrisy of letting in people from from highly-foreign countries in greater numbers than before 9/11, who often hate us, sometimes with good reason.

  192. Kgaard says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Anatoly there is no “line” for COVID-related treatment. There is more than enough Ivermectin, HCQ and juicers (for veggie juice) to go around right now.

  193. This is only meaningful if you isolate COVID cases by those actually unvaccinated versus thosed vaccinated. The latter is not a trivial number.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  194. jamie b. says:

    Thanks, Steve. Perhaps all these anti-vaxer idiots should be ghettoized in their own thread the way it was done with the moon-landing hoaxters…

  195. Stealth says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Last in line for Covid related treatment? Sounds like you anticipate a lot of vaccinated people getting sick.

    • Agree: Yancey Ward, Adam Smith
    • LOL: Catdog
  196. anon[771] • Disclaimer says:

    When will you stop being a shill for Big Pharma, Steve?

  197. @Triteleia Laxa

    The risks of the science experiment vaccine are much smaller than the risks of the science experiment virus.

    How could you possibly know what the risks of the pseudo-vaccine are?

    I don’t mean the short-term risks. I’m talking about a year or ten down the road. Obviously, those risks are completely unknown.

    There’s an informal long-term human safety study going on right now. Our Glorious Leaders kind of forgot that there’s supposed to be a control group. Most people I know volunteered for the experimental group. I volunteered for the control group.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  198. Here is the single best summary I have seen to date

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/07/17/yeadon-sums-it-up/

    Taste

    What almost every government told their people was an absurd set of statements, most of them easily disproven by reference to published literature & often simply by thinking.

    These statements were & remain untrue, every last one of them. When politicians make technical statements, it’s not reasonable to expect them to know whether it’s right or not. But when the advisory team guiding policy responses is invoked, as they usually are, untrue statements by those with good levels of knowledge & experience has no better description than lies. These are not ‘slip-ups’, ‘well-intentioned mistakes’, ‘erring on the side of caution’ or similar. They’re deliberately misleading.

  199. Odin says:

    So let’s get this stupid, tiresome pandemic over and done in ’21.

    Totally: Ivermectin for all!

    Where do I sign up?

  200. @Anonymouse

    Trump was just incompetent. That is all.

    Most people could see that he needed a conservatorship just like Britney Spears.

    What legislation or policy changes did he enact that would encourage American companies to bring manufacturing industry back to the United States?

    What was the biggest piece of legislation he passed that is universally agreed to have made America a better place?

    What was his greatest achievement in international relations?

    Did he provide effective leadership in the US response to Covid-19? Did his government provide leadership to the rest of the world?

  201. @Anatoly Karlin

    Does that include holding up my shipments for Hydroxychloroquine? I don’t take it but once a month, but my wife has a source, man… Will it include being last in line behind riding lawnmower casualties who happen to have tested positive? Are they going to test me, and if I test positive, I am last in line, even if I’m in there for a ruptured appendix? If not, I’m all in.

    Just a few questions before I sign on the dotted line. Besides, the 9th Circuit will just nullify it anyway. Like Mikey, the 9th Circuit hates everything.

  202. Anonymous[755] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    Agreed, I get an email from the NY Times news digest every day fretting about new flavor-of-the-month death-coof. Lots of well-heeled folks live for this stuff

  203. Bartolo says: • Website

    King’s College: 47% of new cases in the UK are vaccinated people.

    • Replies: @Yancey Ward
  204. Anonymous[755] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    80 year old gay liberal folk singers

    This sounds like something Mark Milley would bring up at a full-dress Congressional hearing: “We must not fall behind in the Elderly Gay Folk-singer Gap…”

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
  205. Fauci and co-conspirators; You stand in the dock today accused of crimes against humanity.

    Specifically, you are charged with:

    1) Hubris. Crimes against Nature. You and co-conspirators endeavored to create monstrous mutant viruses which were alien to life here on planet Earth. You thought that you could improve upon Nature. Additionally, you suppressed all attempts by those who advocated bolstering the natural human immune system and promoted your equally mutant vaccine as the cure for the scourge.

    2) Cowardice. Once the virus erupted into the public square, you and co-conspirators tried to cover up what you had done. Rather than stepping forward and forthrightly announcing that you had blundered and asked the public for forgiveness and time to right your mistake, you denied any responsibility. Like too many men who hold positions of influence in the West, you turned tail and ran at the first sight of being held accountable for your actions. Your cowardice shows your contempt for the people of America. Rather than trusting in their innate goodness and relying upon them to grant you forgiveness, you snuck away with your tail between your legs. Truly it is said that cowardice is the prime vice as, without its opposite, courage, nothing good can be accomplished.

    3) Corruption to the core. When caught out in your lies, you doubled down and not only distanced yourself from being the source of the scourge but posed as the only agents of public health who could restore normalcy.

    You and your cronies are contemptible, completely-corrupt cowards. I may be neither as intelligent nor as worldly successful as you and your like, but I am infinitely more honest and courageous.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
  206. @Doktor Jeep

    What vaccine was it, and how do you know the vaccine was responsible?

    Were you receiving medical treatment for your condition for the entire 17 years?

  207. @jb

    Good, I love the link, thanks, so I don’t have to worry about that party I went to last night, where everyone was in a permanent state of exchanging sweat, from exposed arms to shoulder to arm and sometimes even chest!

  208. @Reactionary Utopian

    One is designed to hurt humans, the other is designed to not hurt them?

    • Replies: @Reactionary Utopian
  209. Sure for many it’s like a bad case of the flu but not so for everyone. My GF is a Physical Therapist in a accute care rehab hospital. Prior to covid she was getting called off work about twice a month due to low patient count. Since Covid they’ve been full up with post infection, long term cases. Primarily, strokes and respiratory issues. Even when discharged many of her patients will be dealing with the consequences of Covid for the rest of there lives. Another tidbit, they’ve received far more younger, under 50 stroke & respiratory patients then ever before. So anti-vaxxers if you get it, will you stand true and fall on your sword or will you weak out and seek treatment? Or enjoy being in a wheelchair the rest of your life and need someone else to wipe your ass?

    • Thanks: S. Anonyia
  210. Deaths With vs. From Covid are a valid challenge. Excess Deaths has been used as a catchall to logically counter them. But do we really know how many people have died?

    What are life insurance companies saying?

  211. @Anatoly Karlin

    I’m perfectly fine with this proposal. I’ve had covid and it’s nothing special and I haven’t got in any treatment “lines”.

    Covid is just a flu, bro.

    You, Karlin, are a shill, thanks for banning me on your channel, btw.

    And Steve is a clown at this point.

    • Replies: @allergic2katz
  212. @Buzz Mohawk

    let us know how much you were planning to send Steve and I’ll make up the difference myself.

    It’s always funny (well, not really) how quickly the ‘muh noble white man, by the power of his (and his alone) floweth all logic and science etc’ falls apart into retardism and superstition when topics like this come around and the mighty right of Unz start behaving like the leftoids they denounce the rest of the time.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    , @Dumbo
  213. Dmon says:

    Steve : maybe you should post this column on World Star Hip Hop as a public service announcement.

    http://www.publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/Coronavirus/vaccine/vaccine-dashboard.htm

    Scrolling down the page to the interactive map, it looks like (outside of a few hundred survivalist rednecks up in the Antelope Valley), there is a pretty strong correlation between lots of blacks and low vaccination rates. That big light area in the middle of the county is South Central, Watts, Willowbrook, etc. Must have something to do with racism – they ask for ID when they give you the vaccine, and we all know how hard it is for blacks to get ID.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  214. TTSSYF says:
    @J.Ross

    I didn’t see where he said he got the shot.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  215. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    Anecdotal – I only know of one person among my family/friends who has tested positive for the ‘vid. He’s young (early 20s), otherwise fit and is not especially ill. Just required to isolate at home with his parents for a few days. Other than that – no hospitalisations, no deaths, no long term lingering symptoms.

  216. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Ivermectin could help, and in fact I do have a pack of ivermectin tablets on hand that I could use, but nobody really knows what the safe and effective dose is, which is a large part of the reason why the medical profession is not recommending it.

  217. @Bartolo

    And here is the thing- this almost had to be the case given the UK’s vaccination profile. All one really needed to do was to take the vaccination profile and the new case curve to realize nearly half of the new infections were in the vaccinated, which means that getting vaccinated to protect other people is a lame argument. If you get the vaccine, get it to protect yourself- don’t get it for any other reason.

  218. Mike1 says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You are right about Steve’s hatred of black people. I’ve met him in real life and he really is obsessed with black people.

    One obvious thing no one has noticed is that Steve actually does know things before they are public. I have more access to seeing things than most people and he has the kind of knowledge you can’t innocently acquire. He is almost certainly getting paid by some arm of the US government to keep an eye on “extremists”.

    This post is almost comically textbook psyops: it even uses a freakin easy to remember tagline!

    The guy is not an intellectual.

  219. What’s even more stunning in Steve’s argument in the post is this- this is the same profile of spread from last Summer, just offset by a few weeks. If Steve looks at this again in September, all of those states that look good now will almost surely look like the bad states look now.

    These curves in the various states all end up looking very, very similar in cases/population and deaths/population- what they don’t do, though, is completely overlap on the time axis. Seriously we had this exact same stupid argument last year when the Sunbelt was getting their first real wave after the Northeast’s had subsided and stayed low until the late Summer and early Fall.

    This is very simple- the vaccine should be taken by pretty much everyone over the age of 60, or by those in very poor health. Everyone else is probably better off waiting until more is known about the safety profile. Right now, we are conducting a phase III trial of these vaccines on hundreds of millions of people in the first world. This is just fucking insanity.

    • Agree: JR Ewing
  220. J.Ross says:
    @Anonymous

    That’d be a long-term side effect. To check the long-term side effects of Operation Warp Speed products, you simply — oh, that’s right.

  221. J.Ross says:
    @TTSSYF

    Maybe my bad but this whole nonsense about giving the hijacker what he wants so the hijacking can end deserves total disdain. A large part of me slandering High Hewitt as a person dumber than he actually is comes from Hugh talking about getting the shot to return to normal and run-on sentencing into how great it is to take the mask off aaaaaaaaand then admitting he still wears the mask whenever required or asked or expected to do so so yeah return to normal.

    • Disagree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    , @TTSSYF
  222. My mother will be 104 years old in a couple of weeks, so she is in her 105th year of life. She is double vaxxed but if she gets anything that claims her life will she be listed as a Covid victim. Probably. The old can’t die from anything but Covid.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  223. @JohnnyWalker123

    “As a part of the “the B’nai B’rith oath,” Jewish organizations secured a formal agreement from French conservatives that they would never cooperate with the FN (National Front).”

    I guess it was an offer they couldn’t refuse.

  224. @Polistra

    This is the bottom line. Most people here including Steve are population growth controllers/reduction advocates (with a substantial proportion of those unable to conceive of a counter-argument) so much of the concern regarding the various side-effects or suppression of effective therapeutics is a low priority.

    • Replies: @ken
    , @BB753
  225. @Dumbo

    At least the black Jehovah’s Witness ladies will leave you alone after about 3 years of humoring them on the porch, not answering the door sometimes, or seeing that red American sedan in the driveway while riding my bike home, diverting to the next block, and calling my wife to tell her to not answer the door and call me when they’ve left.

    It’s been a year and half already. How much longer is it gonna take before these people quit virtually driving up, knocking on my door and wasting 15 minutes of my time on the porch every week?

    .

    Well, they were just so nice that I didn’t have the heart to just tell them flat-out that I think they are full of shit. After the 4th time or so, we had to roll with it …

    • Replies: @Yancey Ward
  226. @Achmed E. Newman

    You tell them the first time, and, when they don’t listen, bring out the gun with you on the porch the second time.

  227. J1234 says:

    But it’s also increasingly obvious that anti-vaxx knuckleheadedness is putting people in the emergency room and the cemetery.

    Absolutely true. An anti-vax relative in GA was diagnosed, hospitalized, developed pneumonia and suffered a stroke as a result all in the last 10 days. He’s apparently doing better now.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
  228. Old Prude says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Woops! Fat fingers! Like totally agree, dude!

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  229. ken says:
    @Desiderius

    So they should be happy if a bunch of people died of a virus.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  230. @Triteleia Laxa

    One is designed to hurt humans, the other is designed to not hurt them?

    Excellent non-answer.

  231. jb says:

    I’m not afraid of vaccines. I started out with the polio vaccine, have had numerous others throughout my life, and they don’t seem to have done me any harm, or any of my family members either. People seem to be scared of the mRNA vaccines because they are new technology, and newness is scariness, but from my understanding of the way they work they seem even less likely to cause problems than traditional vaccines. Some dispute this of course. But then, I’ve noticed that the internet is full of disputatious bloviators who all seem to have received the same revelation from on high: because some experts are wrong about some things, it follows that all experts can be ignored whenever it suits you. Sorry, not buying it.

    OTOH, I am afraid of covid (or at least I was before I got vaxed). I know two people who have had serious complications: one was in the hospital on oxygen for five days; and the other was a long-hauler who didn’t get her life back for six months. I’m not in favor of forcing people to put things in their bodies, so fine. But I do think that in this case anyone who doesn’t is a fool.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
  232. NOTA says:
    @Jackie Pratt

    As far as I know, HQC and zinc don’t seem to help. I think the jury is still out on ivermectin and vitamin D. Youtube shouldn’t be trying to prevent discussions of those things, but neither should you run ahead of the data, which I think is mixed but with a few studies showing good results for both. (FWIW, I take viitamin D supplements when I am not getting outside much, both for covid and other reasons. Doesn’t seem likely to hurt anything, anyway.)

    The problem here is thst hunan brains sre terrible at the kind of analysis you need to answer these questions. Doctors sometimes go decades using some useless treatment (bland diet for ulcers, say) before they catch on. Clinical trials can answer these questions, but they are slow and expensive and easy to screw up.

  233. @Desiderius

    My wife and I got vaccinated because Steve recommended it […]

    I thought this was the start of something tongue-in-cheek. But apparently not.

    What contrary information did you consider? There’s plenty to inform a decision to decline for now the Pfizer, etc., products available on this website alone.

  234. @Anatoly Karlin

    Also, promiscuous gays deserve the hiv.

  235. AKAHorace says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    He cannot let go of this fan club because they are now the only source of the recognition he seeks.

    So much for noticing. So much for science. So much for standing up for the truth.

    This is ridiculous. If Steve wanted approval from the Alt rightosphere and more donations, arguing against vaccines would be an easy choice. It is what most people on this list want to hear. It is far less risky than posting about racial differences in IQ.

    The best reason for reading Steve is that he considers each issue on its own and does not automatically approve or disapprove of things because they are a right or left wing position. This means that you will sometimes read a well thought argument for something that you disagree with.

  236. jill says:

    3 Fully vaccinated Texas Democrats in Washington, D.C. test positive for COVID-19.

    Not one of them had a mask on in the plane as required by law

    https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2021/02/01/biden-mask-mandate-extends-to-private-jet-charters-and-terminals/

  237. ken says:
    @Anonymous

    People die on their way out of life; that’s how it works. Trying to control their lives by your standards is embarrassing.

    What would be embarrassing is if these people were needlessly suffering because they weren’t being offered a full option of treatments.

    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210506/covid-patient-in-coma-gets-ivermectin-after-court-order

    This woman eventually recovered and returned home. It’s a shame she wasn’t given the drug sooner.

  238. jill says:

    The bodies are piling up……..I know, I know, they are “rare” reactions. Think of all the good the vaccines are doing. “If we just save one life:

    VAERS data released today by the CDC showed a total of 463,457 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines, including 10,991 deaths and 48,385 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and July 9, 2021.

    This week’s data for 12- to 17-year-olds show: ( Why would someone allow their 13 year old child who had Covid, be vaccinated? )

    14,003 total adverse events, including 866 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths. Two of the nine deaths were suicides.

    The most recent reported death includes a 13-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1431289) with a previous history of COVID who suffered cardiac arrest and died 17 days after vaccination with Pfizer.

    Other reports include two 13-year-old boys (VAERS I.D. 1406840 and 1429457) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), three 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1225942 and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).

    2,040 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases.
    attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine, 1.1% to Moderna and 0.2% (or four cases) to J&J.

    377 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 373 attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine.

    65 reports of blood clotting disorders, with 64 attributed to Pfizer and 1 attributed to Moderna.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-deaths-injuries-reported-cdc-covid-vaccines-moderna-pregnant-women/?itm_term=home

    • Thanks: ThreeCranes
  239. jill says:

    They played us…jabs for life

    • Replies: @BB753
  240. Marquis says:
    @Edmund

    People pushing lockdowns are pushing mandatory vaccines. If you can’t see the problem, you might just bow out of the conversation.

  241. @Thoughts

    There must be a ton of immunocompromised people in Steve and Ron’s world. Greg Cochran’s too.

    It’s like the Bubble Boy demanding that everyone else be required to live in a bubble!

  242. Marquis says:
    @Nikolai Vladivostok

    If you took the shot to return to normalcy, you don’t deserve normalcy. You’ll be led by the nose by authoritarians anyways.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Nikolai Vladivostok
  243. “But it’s also increasingly obvious that anti-vaxx knuckleheadedness is putting people in the emergency room and the cemetery.”

    Gotta love it when the “based” Unz.com blogger starts sounding identical to a shrieking, MSNBC-watching cat lady.

    Have you checked the VAERS data recently, Steve?

  244. @Desiderius

    The Atlas Mountains in North Africa are part of the same original chain, but for some reason they don’t show it on their maps.

  245. TTSSYF says:
    @J.Ross

    I can’t “Agree”, and so I agree.

  246. TTSSYF says:
    @J.Ross

    Hit “Disagree” by accident.

  247. @JohnnyWalker123

    The French have had endless opportunities to put the FN into power, but they never do.

    Perhaps the FN would have done better if the Conservatives worked with them, but they still win nothing.

    I think they have topped out in the first round at 20% of the 77% turnout.

    When you can only get 16% of the electorate on your best ever day to choose you beyond all others, you are unlikely to be selling something which the country wants; especially when you have little competition within your own lane.

    You can blame some weird sounding Jewish organisation, but it is sort of missing the point.

  248. TTSSYF says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I can only hope my 89-year-old mother lives as long. God bless your mother and you.

  249. Hodag says:

    I am truly at a loss about the antivax stuff. It reminds me of the anti-nuke stuff.

    Technology can be both good or bad. If the vax was really bad everyone would be sued into the stone age.

    Yes, the is a federal fund for approved vax injuries. If the vax was actually that bad and people are lying then all bets are off. There would be no mercy in the civil court and lots of charming guys in front of a jury will get private jets.

    I suppose bellowing at people to just do some basic statistical analysis won’t work because people don’t think like that.

    It sucks.

    • Agree: Inquiring Mind
    • Replies: @onetwothree
  250. anon[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    The hospitals are filled with people under 50

    Where?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  251. @Anon

    Yes. Several studies indicate an efficacy rate of 40% to 80% after one dose of the mRNA vaccines, one dose reduces the risk of being hospitalized with COVID.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/06/one-covid-vaccine-dose-yields-good-protection-elderly-2-studies-find

    Not sure why Steve is spewing misleading statistics here. The vast majority of Americans over the age of 40 have been vaccinated. Over 80% of Americans over the age of 59 have been vaccinated. Why does everyone ignore natural immunity ? 130 million Americans had recovered from COVID by March. They have no reason to get vaccinated.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  252. Dube says:

    over and done in ’21

    That’s a bit on the wan side, Steve. I thought you knew something about marketing and motivation. Run this instead:

    COMPLY IN JULY!

    Have Klaus Schwab deliver it, chin high while looking down his nose, and pointing like an Uncle Sam / Lord Kitchener recruitment poster.

    Back it with lab coats and combat boots at the door. The Age of Science is upon us.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  253. Mike Tre says:

    Gee willy willickers:

    Dr. Robert Malone, a pioneer in the field of mRNA vaccines, shared a viral Twitter thread on Friday which lays out a disturbing trend; the most-vaccinated countries in the world are experiencing a surge in COVID-19 cases, while the least-vaccinated countries are not.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/worrying-me-quite-bit-mrna-vaccine-inventor-shares-viral-thread-showing-covid-surge-most

  254. @Hodag

    If the vax was really bad everyone would be sued into the stone age.

    In case this is a too-old thread and no one else corrects your unbelievable ignorance, vaccine makers cannot be sued. This has been the case since 1988:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  255. Thea says:

    I can’t really understand or relate to the anti-Vaccine sentiment. None of the arguments resonate and it seems like there are several unrelated arguments against it in a scattershot attempt to see what sticks, it’s a moving target- when mercury was removed from vaccines it became not enough testing, when more testing was done it wasn’t the right kind and so on.

    I was grateful to get the two Trump (what is will always be to me- Warp speed) shots.

    I am also grateful to live at a time my children can easily avoid some horrific illnesses.

    • Replies: @Allergic2katz
  256. @Steve Sailer

    They use different criteria in vaxxed vs. unvaxxed people in terms of determining what counts as a “case”:

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/18/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/26/more-flagrant-data-manipulation-from-the-cdc/

    That explains your correlation coefficient.

    P.S. Please stop being such a credulous Boomer. It’s embarrassing.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
  257. “So let’s get this stupid, tiresome pandemic over and done in ’21.”

    Lol! Says the Covidiot whose county – Los Angeles – just decreed Facediapers forever…… and Sailer shuddered a trembulous sigh of relief that he wouldn’t be alone in his diaper fetish – because others will be forced at gunpoint to diaper up alongside him.

    • Replies: @anon
  258. Nations with the highest percent of Pricked are having outbreaks of the very scary Delta Force scariant – and majority of Delta infectees got The Prick.

    One year ago I said there is no such thing as a corona virus vaccine. Reality has proven me correct. QED. As I said back then: you are always one step behind the virus, you are fighting the last war, not this war.

    Clearly Covimbeciles must give up on snuffles vaccines and embrace treatments like Ivermectin. For the children.

  259. @Marquis

    Exactly. The correlation is baked into the CDC’s separate testing protocols for vaxxed vs. unvaxxed.

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/18/how-the-cdc-is-manipulating-data-to-prop-up-vaccine-effectiveness/

    16 months into this thing and iSteve still hasn’t figured out what a scam it is. Sad!

  260. @Steve Sailer

    All right… you’re now talking about how the vaccine strongly (not fully, but supposedly almost so, which is fine) prevents the symptomatic disease, at least in most people. So this

    And because the mRNA vaccines make you much less likely to pass on the germ to some weakling to whom it could be a major problem, it is a disinterestedly noble and chivalrous gesture on your part to get vaccinated to protect the weak.

    could possibly not even be true, specially given how much some WuFlu-scientist-epidemiologist-virologist-healthcare etc. communicators emphasize that “the vaccinated can still transmit” and how we all should mask up again (cf. them praising Los Angeles County). Even assuming that is true (that the vaccine strongly prevents both symptomatic disease and its spread), why not get the weaklings (or, to put it more diplomatically, the most vulnerable) vaccinated instead and be done with it? Are we all considered weaklings now who absolutely need the vaccine?

    Also, mock the gigachads who reject the vaccine as much as you want: most are not “terrified of needles”. There is such a thing as injecting testosterone and human growth hormone (among other things), and they do it themselves. It is possible, remotely possible, they just don’t want those vaccines for whatever reason or no reason. Their body, their choice.

  261. @Marquis

    That’s what my last sentence meant.

  262. @huwhyte ppl

    Agree 100%. They both come across like massive germophobes/hypochondriacs. Karlin has been pushing ‘rona panic since February of 2020 and refuses to acknowledge an information that contradicts his doom-and-gloom hysterics.

  263. Mr. Anon says:
    @Dutch Boy

    It is also notable that the VAERS system in the USA and the equivalent system in Europe have reported several thousand deaths and tens of thousands of injuries post vaccination, an unprecedented result for any previous vaccine.

    Nearly 11,000 deaths associated with COVID vaccines reported on VAERS to date (latest reporting date).

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-deaths-injuries-reported-cdc-covid-vaccines-moderna-pregnant-women/

    Of the 10,991 deaths reported as of July 9, 22% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination, 15% occurred within 24 hours and 37% occurred in people who became ill within 48 hours of being vaccinated.

    • Replies: @Guest29048
  264. Mr. Anon says:
    @Dube

    Have Klaus Schwab deliver it, chin high while looking down his nose, and pointing like an Uncle Sam / Lord Kitchener recruitment poster.

    Perhaps while he’s wearing his Galactic Overlord get-up:

    • LOL: Dube, Adam Smith
  265. @Thoughts

    Lo”Wasnt the Big red flag the third dose mentioned before any variants existed…

    Like really…how dumb do you have to be to not Think a third dose is a bit suspicious”

    Another big red flag is the CDC PrickPass vax cards have space for four pricks, not just the two utilized in phase one and phase two trials. A third Prick was never tested, and yet the cards – designed 9/30/2020** – include four Prick rows. Why was this done? If the Prick manufacturers intended four Pricks from the get-go, why was their intent never publicly disclosed or discussed?

    ** my PrickPass shows this date in the lower left-hand corner on the back of the card

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  266. JR Ewing says:
    @Wade Hampton

    The SARS-CoV-2 hysteria of 2020 was a phenomenon of the media and political class, manufactured in order to get rid of Trump. It worked.

    Thank you for this. Slowly but surely the Grand Unified Theory of Covid is getting out into the public.

    It was a manufactured election year panic that got out of control. That’s it and that’s all.

    So many people so thoroughly bought into the fear that the only way to try to put that genie back into the bottle was through a paradigm-shifting “vaccine”. The powers that be couldn’t just walk back the panic and lose credibility, they needed to save face. But there wasn’t enough time for proper testing so they rushed it out and decreed that EVERYONE MUST BE VACCINATED! Not because of the risk of the virus, but because it benefits the pharmaceutical cartel by a.) taking away the control group and b.) generating endless liability-free profits from the money printer going brrrrrrrrrr.

  267. JR Ewing says:
    @Dumbo

    They want others to be vaccinated because they want to eliminate the control group. If EVERYONE comes down with long-term hear damage or infertility or cancer or whatever, then NO ONE can feel bad about making the wrong choice. i.e. “We all had to make sacrifices to save the human race from the scourge of covid…”

    Government wants the same thing on a macro scale. If there are people running around without all of these weird side-effects and damage from the vaccine and they still don’t die of covid either, then government loses credibility for pushing the “vaccines” in the first place.

    You can’t just let the virus burn out or let people rely on acquired immunity. You gotta do something that puts all the citizens in the same boat and gives politicians the best chance to take credit for the “solution”.

  268. @onetwothree

    Hodag: Yes, people are still watching this thread. It’s your turn. Concede or refute, please.

    • Agree: JerseyJeffersonian
  269. @anonymous

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/06/where_does_the_covid_vaccine_end_up_not_where_it_should_be.html

    [quote]
    It turns out that these spike proteins are harmful themselves as they travel throughout the body and enter into the bloodstream. The spikes seem to be causing clotting, which is leading to serious side effects and deaths. They can also end up accumulating in the ovaries and testicles, where they may be attacked by the body’s immune system, leading to permanent damage.

    viral immunologist, Dr. Byram Bridle, reviewed a Japanese study that tracks where the spike proteins travel. “Until now we were assuming that these were acting like traditional vaccines, where they go in the shoulder muscle and they don’t go anywhere else. However what this data shows us… is that more than three quarters of the dose is no longer present at the injection site in the shoulder… It turns out these are traveling all throughout the body.”

    “We thought the spike protein was a great target antigen, we never knew the spike protein itself was a toxin and was a pathogenic protein. So by vaccinating people we are inadvertently inoculating them with a toxin,” Bridle said. [end quote]

    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
  270. Not Raul says:
    @Inselaffen

    I’ll match it, too, Buzz.

  271. JR Ewing says:
    @Anonymous

    Long story short, it appears that the manufactured spike proteins from the gene therapy “vaccine” – at least in some people – don’t just float around in your deltoid muscle as originally intended, they appear to move around the body and accumulate in certain organs, the most common ones being the heart and the ovaries. This has been confirmed by autopsies of post-vax fatalities.

  272. Anonymous[406] • Disclaimer says:

    Sign the Pledge or Aerosmith Tickets?

    Of course…

  273. Anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:

    Instead of “Cable’s yeller”, “Sailer’s boomer”, as his misplaced citizenism in deference to anti-national globalists is “Okay Boomer” meme-material to the max.

  274. @ken

    Should’s got nothing to do with it. What matters is what they are and that’s naturally not terribly motivated to get informed about such matters beyond what’s necessary to get back to a modicum of normalcy.

    I’m on the other side of that coin but I don’t pretend to have any easy answers. If world peace is your game you’d need to be on Steve’s side admittedly and so many of TPTB are.

  275. CPK says:

    Remember your recent point that British NHS got lucky because it happened to come into existence just as medical treatment got a lot more effective? You’re doing that, but with the vaccines.

    What we saw in 2020, when vaccines weren’t a factor, was that northern states got more cases in the winter and southern ones more in the summer. This is exactly what we’re seeing now.

    All but two of the states with above-average case numbers are in the southern half of the United States. There’s no correlation within that group of 16 between case and vaccination rates (r^2 = 0.07). It’s true that all but one of those states have below-average vaccination rates. But northern and border states with similarly low vaccination rates do not have significantly higher case rates.

    There are pretty much no southern states with high vaccination rates, which obscures the point a bit. If there were southern states with high vaccination rates and high case rates, it would be more obvious that “southern” and not “vaccination rate” was the key variable.

    Nonetheless, Moynihan’s Law of the Canadian Border isn’t just a throwaway line here. By my arithmetic the correlation between case numbers and vaccination rates is about r^2=0.29. (I have no idea how you got 0.56.) As it happens, the correlation between case numbers and the latitude of each state’s capital is 0.30 — almost exactly the same when you account for rounding.

    What you’re describing as the “fourth wave” was just the north’s seasonal hit last winter. We didn’t “contain” it through vaccination. For the most part it tapered off before the vaccine became widely available, and at a time when vaccination rates were far lower. The real test will be whether the vaccine prevents the next northern seasonal hit this coming winter. What you’re describing as the “fifth wave” is likewise just the south’s seasonal hit this summer, and it will likewise taper with or without any increase in vaccination.

    Granted: vaccinations may also be reducing cases by some margin. But we’d need much more granular data, over a longer period of time, to tease out how much.

    Glib handwaving that it’s “obvious”, and name-calling about “knuckleheadedness”, based on a single snapshot of state-level rates is frankly beneath your demonstrated talents.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes, Yancey Ward
    • Thanks: Greta Handel
  276. @Mr. Anon

    Agree.

    Note: we hear a lot about vaccine-induced myocarditis in healthy teens or 20-somethings.

    Or healthy athletes in the prime of life having odd (vaccine-related?) heart attacks.

    Remember the Danish soccer star Christian Eriksen who on June 12 nearly died on the pitch from a heart attack? Freak incident. Okay.

    What was it that made the two Antiguan cricket players collapse on the field during a match with Pakistan?
    https://freewestmedia.com/2021/07/06/two-fully-vaccinated-cricketers-collapse-on-the-field-during-international-match/
    Just heat stroke. OK, that’s possible . . .

    Nevertheless, the median age of vaccine-related deaths is around 74 y.o., if I recall correctly.

  277. @SunBakedSuburb

    Well, it saved the man’s life for God’s sake. Saved mine too but it was from their own mistake in the first place so my view is naturally more jaundiced.

    Convention is just another word for tradition for people who are more West Side Story than Fiddler on the Roof so no reason not to make it one’s default. You get to a certain age it get’s harder to get moved off of it.

  278. anon[127] • Disclaimer says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Los Angeles – just decreed Facediapers forever

    LA County sheriff ain’t gonna enforce it.

    https://nypost.com/2021/07/17/la-county-sheriff-will-not-uphold-reinstated-covid-19-mask-ban/

    Maybe it’s time to close all the beaches again, too? Oh, and the golf courses, too.

    In order to be done in 21 it’s surely essential to close every golf course in SoCal for an indefinite period of time.

    Essential! Science!

  279. anon[127] • Disclaimer says:

    Question: What curve fitting tool was used to produce the plot at the top of the article?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  280. @Yancey Ward

    The first thing I heard about COVID, in early 2020, was an interview with a Harvard epidemiologist.

    He said that 60% of the world population would eventually get COVID, as it declined in potency and evolved into a fifth type of coronavirus circulating seasonally as the Flu.

    That still sounds about right to me.

    • Agree: Anonymous Jew
  281. @Jonathan Mason

    And anyone who makes the slightest move toward taking steps to ascertain whether: a) Ivermectin is an effective treatment against the Coof; or b) what an effective and safe dosage might be so as to attain that goal, is threatened with expulsion from The Guild.

    The result is that, except for those doctors who take seriously their duty to do all within their power to heal their charges, no such questions and determinations go forward.

    Such is the power of the life-destroying, neo-liberal globalist consensus: money and power über alles. On the other hand, those who question the safety and efficacy of a novel, experimental “vaccine” who argue for an honest, focused effort to search for safe and effective treatments, are the ones who are cast as lunatics and irresponsible obstructionists.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
  282. Deadite says:
    @brabantian

    So where is you’re data that it’s the vaccinated who are dying? Seriously. The data out there in the us points to just the opposite.

    https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210629/almost-all-us-covid-19-deaths-now-in-the-unvaccinated

    I eagerly await your references.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anon
  283. COVID is already over, or at least it should be. First, it’s relatively harmless for young people (it has killed roughly 300 0-15 year-olds, compared to a bad flu season that takes 400-500, or traffic deaths that take 500-600 of the same age group annually).

    For older people, what matters is not that they received the vaccine, but that they had the opportunity to do so. Why? Because, about 500,000 Americans die prematurely every year from drug and alcohol abuse. The number of Americans that die prematurely from eating too much sugar is undoubtedly higher – see the link between metabolic syndrome and pretty much every major disease, particularly our number one killer: heart disease. And why is this OK? Because we value freedom. Even the freedom to eat lots of sugar and drink oneself into a stupor.

    So how can these policy positions be logically consistent with worrying about vaccination rates? We allow freedoms (drugs, alcohol and sugar) that kill more people annually than COVID. And that’s OK. If we, as a society, don’t care (too much) about people that smoke, drink or eat themselves into an early grave than COVID vaccination should be no different.

    So it’s over. Time to get on with it and go back to normal. Young people aren’t at risk (anymore than the flu). And adults have a choice in a free country.

    If you smoke, eat too much high glycemic foods or don’t get vaccinated that’s on you. But no one should be able to ruin MY life over it.

  284. @anon

    The exponential trend line that comes with Google Sheets.

    • Replies: @anon
  285. People may tend to associate vaccines, getting vaccinated with colder weather, like late fall and winter. The vaccines started rolling out last winter, and gradually many Americans went and got vaccinated (which in turn helped to greatly reduce the total infection rate). But in summertime, most people tend to think that it’s really not the time for vaccinations. Contrary to what Steve may think, most Americans still associate COVID with the flu and pneumonia, (as both share many symptoms with COVID), rather than as a new form of ongoing, end of the world, doomsday apocalyptic times. Once fall time comes around, so too does the seasonal flu, which reminds Americans “Oh yeah, time to get vaccinated” (for those who do get their seasonal flu shots), which in turn will also remind them “Oh yeah, maybe since the weather’s getting colder, it’s time to get vaccinated vs COVID as well.”

    By the way, what exactly did happen to the flu last year? Didn’t hear a whole lot about it. Or could it also be that many COVID deaths, symptoms etc, may have in fact been just the flu striking vs. people with weaker immune systems? Just a thought.

    Regarding one reason why some Americans are still hesitant to get vaccinated, is a point I mentioned here last year: Regarding the vaccines, there are still some major side effects (e.g. causing blood clots in the European vaccine which was one reason it was briefly withdrawn from the market) associated with the vaccines. As the vaxxes are still too early to know with 100% certainty what the side effects are, how severe they will be, and which populations are susceptible to them, this does tend to cause concern and skepticism that the vaccines are the total panacea that the government assures them that it is. At times, it appears that the government isn’t even certain how long the vaccines’ protective effectiveness vs COVID will last: some reports suggest its forever, other reports suggest to get the vaccine every six months, and some reports even suggest that its’ effectiveness can last up to five years. So perhaps in their eagerness to rush out vaccines, the medical establishment should’ve done their full research on the length of effectiveness. Up to now, there remains no one uniform answer as to how long the effectiveness of the vaccine will last. This in turn suggests that the health establishment isn’t as confident in what they have when faced with the question: “How long will the vaccine protect me?” And their only response is, “Uh…we don’t know. But trust us, it works. But who knows how long. Maybe a year, maybe forever. Who really can say for certain. But trust us, it definitely works.”

    So again, there remains widespread confusion regarding many aspects of the vaccine. They do appear on the whole to be effective, but perhaps people would be just as protected by taking a standard seasonal flu shot, since COVID shares many of the same symptoms as the flu.

    Also, the government a few weeks ago publicly stated that the risk of COVID to children under about age 12 is close to nil. For whatever the reason, children are not catching COVID in any significant numbers compared to the elderly, middle aged, or even the young adults. If indeed this is the case then perhaps they can return to school this fall, especially since their age cohort has almost nil chance of catching COVID.

    If COVID is similar to the length of the Spanish Flu epidemic, then one should realize that it just has to naturally run its course until herd immunity is reached. In America, the Spanish Flu lasted about 3 yrs, beginning in 1918 up through 1920. In the US, it’s only been a little over a year since COVID reached these shores. The fact that people have gotten vaccinated, in the long run, should help to prove effective. But, for how long, the medical community cannot say for certain. Hence the point that perhaps if Americans were to take the standard flu shot, that should protect them for several COVID symptoms since COVID and the flu do share some symptoms, particularly in the respiratory area.

    Come fall time, say, around late October November, and more Americans will take the vaccine again, which unlike last fall, should help further reduce COVID’s numbers.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  286. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Thanks. Was that the only curve fit attempted? Did you do an SSE on the fit?

    • Replies: @Russ
  287. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:
    @Deadite

    When did the Associated Press become a peer-reviewed medical journal?

  288. @Reasonableperson

    After all the lies we’ve been fed for the last 55 years how and why would a reasonableperson believe anything put out by our government via the corrupted mainstream media? Other than NOAA weather, USGS maps, aeronautic standards and highway construction, I trust nothing the federal government produces. It’s all tainted by a political agenda.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  289. anon[446] • Disclaimer says:

    What I see in that scatter plot is not correlation but heteroscedasticity.

  290. @Anonymous

    I Agree‘d, although I prefer “OK Doomer” – there are numerous numerate Boomers of my acquaintance who are fully up to speed with the Nothingburger-ness of SARS-nCOV-2 and its usually-mild symptomatic corollary COVID19.

    As I’ve said before, I would be a happy camper if COVID19 had any prospect of rinsing out the human gene pool (since it generally targets the metabolically imprudent, the rinsing-out would be Eugenic); if the ‘vaccine’ is actually part of a diabolical plot by the Davos Illuminati to wipe out the bulk of humanity, I wish them all the best in their endeavours.

    Sadly, neither is the case. The ‘vaccine’ is a shibboleth that does not confer immunity or prevent transmission (neither claim is made by any of the vaccine manufacturers: they’re not permitted to make those claims under the EUA, and won’t have data to enable such claims until March 2023).

    And doubly-sadly, SARS-nCOV-2 is a pissweak pathogen that is has difficulty getting its hooks into anyone under 80 who is not already otherwise deathly-ill. (To my way of thinking, that’s a hint that it is probably government-made: only government could fuck up a quest to develop a pathogen to wipe out a large fraction of the Useless Eaters).

    I’m moderately certain that I’ve had it: I recently spent a month volunteering rebuilding fire-damaged fences, and quite a large minority of the other volunteers had been ‘vaccinated’. I felt shitful for a few days in late June.

    Nobody in my ‘circle of giving a fuck’ has been vaccinated – and one person 2°KB (the sister of a friend of a friend) was a 52 year old woman who died the day after getting jabbed.

    She was otherwise healthy, of normal bodyweight – and therefore had much-much-less-than-fuck-all chance of dying from COVID19.

    The ‘math’ is straightforward: she had
    ① fuck-all chance of contracting the SARS-nCOV-2; hence
    ② strictly less-than-fuck-all of developing symptomatic COVID19; thus
    ③ strictly much-less-than-fuck-all risk of severe symptoms and/or hospitalisation; and finally
    ④ strictly much much less than fuck-all risk of death.

    Sucks to be her, but if you allow your life decisions to be influenced by Big Pharma or ‘public health officials’, you get what happens after.

    (I’m less reliant on my 32″ waist for my übermenschness, than I am on my ~+2.5σ position in the IQ distribution. Just sayin’, Steve)

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  291. @Rahan

    Very insightful. Thanks.

    • Thanks: Rahan
  292. @Morton's toes

    Agree. The far right end of that graph is sure influenced upwards by just a few points. Doesn’t smell right. If you take away the last two, far-right outliers situated above the curve, the resulting curve would be much flatter, lower and linear.

  293. @Old Prude

    Haha, no problem I’ve done that myself. I think you can change your vote by clicking on Agree button again, for future reference.

  294. anoneeey says:

    Sorry, Fonz. You jumped the shark on this one.

  295. Thoughts says:
    @J1234

    That smells like hospital pneumonia…probably better off staying at home

    You can catch nasty stuff in the hospital

  296. Thoughts says:
    @jb

    All the long haulers are women

    All of them

    • Replies: @jb
  297. @Anonymous

    I compliment you on your great comment, but I wanted to point out that the horse/pig story is in Animal Farm, not 1984.

  298. One reason Steve may be so adamant about the vaccine:

    Don’t blame him for that.

  299. Puremania says:

    My part of the country is very naughty. In my job, I have been up close and personal with at least 1000 people since the start of the pandemic, and when I invite them to ditch the mask like I do, half of them tear it off and say Thank God. We don’t really take the lockdown seriously, either. The biker bar up the street has been paying the curfew fines and rocking on. The local paper says we are behind the average US vaccination rate.

    My county has a population of 308,760. The state Department of Public Health, which has a great interactive map, counts the total Covid19 fatalities, after a year and a half, as 299. Yep, <0.1%. Down in the big, locked-down, masked-up city two counties over, the deaths per capita are double.

    Why is this? I don't know. Maybe it's because, as the CDC pointed out in October, people wearing masks are shown to do less hand-washing. Maybe we're getting more sunshine than the locked-down. It's sure not because we're younger or thinner.

    As for needles, I had a big one stuck into my eyeball to inject the air needed in my retinal reattachment. I was awake. The surgeon and I discussed who was the better crooner, Frank Sinatra or Chris Isaak.

    I'm not afraid of needles. I'm afraid of the Establishment and its thoughtless defenders. By the way, Steve, did you get the 1976 vaccine, or were you "knuckleheaded"?

  300. @Johnplywood

    “Over and done in ’21, let’s put some needles in their bums.”

    The double-penetration Prick goes in the deltoid. Like most Covimbeciles, you think often and fondly about sticking things into bums, QED.

  301. @Abolish_public_education

    Ah, but I rather suspect that the dems, since they used COVID panic to mandate “mail-in ballots” which were oh so useful in falsifying the election, will shut down the liability lawyer contingent for a change. Discovery in lawsuits might blow big holes in the approved narratives, and they cannot risk that. Bigger fish to fry, don’t you know.

  302. @Wade Hampton

    The SARS-CoV-2 hysteria of 2020 was a phenomenon of the media and political class, manufactured in order to get rid of Trump. It worked. Plus it had the benefit to the Ruling Class of allowing government at all levels to transfer power to itself.

    That was pretty clever of them to pay Italian hospitals to make it look like they were shutting down because of covid and turning away even accident victims with broken limbs. Some clever manufacturing on the part of the elite. The health care workers that were crying on camera over losing colleagues must have been crisis actors.

    I warned it could happen with our hospitals but Team Trump decided to downplay the threat.

    So I guess they were right that it was all hysteria. The public disagreed but I guess Trump & Co knew what they were doing. I didn’t know their goal was to lose the election though.

    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
  303. @UNIT472

    Even though Florida is back up to 8,000 ‘cases’ per day there were only 29 deaths which is roughly equivalent to the number of fatal drug overdoses.

    3200 currently hospitalized
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-virus-hospitalizations-again-rising-after-a-decline/ar-AAMePGT

    Florida alone will rack up billions in health care costs this summer. Can we send the bill to the “just a flu” crowd?

    231 deaths in the past week
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/florida-adds-45604-coronavirus-cases-231-deaths-in-the-past-week/ar-AAMgevC?ocid=uxbndlbing

    There is also the risk of mutation which no one is talking about. More cases = greater risk of mutation that is deadlier or evades the vaccines.

    • Replies: @anon
  304. @anon

    Where?

    Adults under 50 are now the largest group hospitalized.

    Nationally, adults under 50 now account for the most hospitalized COVID-19 patients in the country — about 35% of all hospital admissions. Those age 50 to 64 account for the second-highest number of hospitalizations, or about 31%. Meanwhile, hospitalizations among adults over 65 have fallen significantly.
    ttps://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/05/01/992148299/covid-doesnt-discriminate-by-age-serious-cases-on-the-rise-in-younger-adults

    • Replies: @anon
    , @res
  305. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Over 80% of Americans over the age of 59 have been vaccinated.

    Some of us are concerned about the effects on fertility. Why be an early adopter? Let’s wait and see if the benefits outweigh the risks.

    This has been going on for close to two years, and it’s still almost impossible to know who knows anything, let alone whom to trust. Our part of the country is bunched together in the bottom two bands of the chart. Ain’t no cure cause for the summertime blues.

  306. ‘So let’s get this stupid, tiresome pandemic over and done in ’21.’

    So stop paying attention to it.

    • Agree: JR Ewing
  307. Dumbo says:
    @Inselaffen

    how quickly the ‘muh noble white man, by the power of his (and his alone) floweth all logic and science etc’ falls apart

    Perhaps this is part of the problem. It’s a false statement, and really just a way to cope with current white dispossession. “We wuz White Kangz”.

    As for Covid, let those who want the jab to take it, and those who don’t, not. What’s so complicated about that? But it seems this is yet another “divide and conquer” issue…

  308. @Intelligent Dasein

    Is ID one of those people who wouldn’t want to belong to any club that would let the likes of him in?

  309. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    Your NPR article is from May 1. Today is July 18, or roughly 10 weeks later. A lot can change in 10+ weeks, as we saw last year.

    Please provide a more recent link that demonstrates..

    The hospitals are filled with people under 50

    …and where these hospitals are located.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @res
  310. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    Can we send the bill to the “just a flu” crowd?

    That’s just passive-aggressive childishness. You can do better.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  311. Here’s some comparative information. My own country of Singapore has very low infection and fatality rates for covid, and if we had your per capita numbers, a lot of people here would totally freak out, even though those who died usually have existing pre-conditions. The risk appetite here is very low.

    It also helps that we have low obesity and diabetic rates, much lower than the US. That has a significant effect on covid death rates and severity of the disease.

    As for scientific measures, the data we have gathered locally tell us that
    1. HCQ may work
    2. ivermectin doesn’t
    3. The vaccines approved by our health authorities work and are safe

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/trending-covid-19-claims-fact-or-fiction

    I’ve taken both shots, as have most of my family, except my two kids. Everybody’s fine, no issues. All the people I know who have been vaccinated (including everybody at my workplace) are fine. Even my students (age 18) are taking the shots and except for small bouts of illness after the 2nd shot, lasting at most 2 days, all are fine now.

    Personally, I agree that covid in itself isn’t a big deal, and the response seemed disproportionate. Nevertheless, in countries with high rates of pre-existing conditions, it does seem prudent to use more stringent measures.

  312. @anon

    That’s just passive-aggressive childishness. You can do better.

    No it was sarcasm.

    The childishness is on the part of the anti-vax crowd.

    They can’t even get their story straight but still stomp their feet like defiant children.

    The virus exists / it doesn’t exist / it exists but it isn’t serious

    The vaccine works / doesn’t work / does work but has side effects or contains a tracking device.

    The anti-vax crowd needs to pick a combination and stick with it.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  313. @Reg Cæsar

    My point is that the vast majority of Adults are vaccinated and a significant numbers of the unvaccinated have natural immunity. The pandemic is over , yet the scare mongering continues.

    The minority of Americans who have chosen not to get vaccinated are younger and less at risk for being hospitalized and face greater risks from taking an experimental vaccine. They have made an informed decision to avoid taking unnecessary risks.

    Vaccine reluctance is based on risk-benefit calculations. Older Americans are more likely to be vaccinated , those living in higher population density areas are more likely to be vaccinated. Younger adults are less at risk and thus less likely to get vaccinated.

  314. @AKAHorace

    This is ridiculous. If Steve wanted approval from the Alt rightosphere and more donations, arguing against vaccines would be an easy choice.

    He wants approval from the mainstream. He begrudgingly accepts approval from you.

    Read what I wrote.

  315. @Jonathan Mason

    nobody really knows what the safe and effective dose is, which is a large part of the reason why the medical profession is not recommending it.

    The reason the medical profession isn’t recommending it is that the medical profession is a pack of crooks and quacks and spineless heedless shitheads.

    There’s more than enough info available to doctors – see here or here – to allow them to make a judgment call on doses. Of particular importance (quoting the latter link):

    Given studies showing tolerance and lack of adverse effects in human subjects given even escalating, high doses of ivermectin, toxicity is unlikely although a reduced efficacy due to decreased levels may be a concern.

    So there you have it: an unsafe dose is unlikely to be reached, and there’s plenty of studies making claims as to an effective dose – ergo a doctor could look at those studies, err on the side of overdose, and treat their patients effectively, making adjustments to their treatment protocol based on the results they see.

    Bear in mind that they wouldn’t be doing this without patient consent, and the alternative treatment is essentially the power of prayer – that is to say, there is no alternative treatment and the SARS-CoV2 patient is asked to simply stay home until they start to pass out, and then go to a hospital and maybe be put on a ventilator.

    How hard is that for doctors? “Your options are absolutely nothing, just to hope for the best, or to take this drug that’s proven to be safe and effective.” Even granting that it’s not conclusively known what the best dose should be – which I don’t know to be the case – this is hardly a difficult choice, and would largely end the viral pandemic in a matter of weeks. (The panic might continue, however.)

    Any doctor who won’t prescribe ivermectin should be stripped of his licence and testicles

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Corvinus
  316. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Sounds pretty selfish of those younger Americans. Grandma is LITERALLY GOING TO DIE, it’s a GENERATIONAL HOLOCAUST

    • Replies: @Travis
  317. @Johnplywood

    You and Anatoly Karlin were among the few adult leaders on the conservative blogosphere who didn’t cave to the retards on this topic.

    Why have these adults ignored ivermectin?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  318. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Sorry Steve. I’m not getting the ClotShot.
    I’ll be the sand in your gears.

  319. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Ivermectin is a wonderful drug for heart worm and river blindness. Merck, which isn’t averse to making a profit, gives it out free to Third Worlders because it 100% cures river blindness, a horrifying tropical disease that combines blindness with elephantiasis. The discoverers won a well-deserved Nobel Prize.

    I’d take it if I had covid, because covid is a potentially dangerous disease, so I’d try it because it’s unlikely to be worse for me than covid. But I’d really ask for one of those anti-covid monoclonal antibodies, like the one that may have saved Trump’s life.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  320. jb says:
    @Thoughts

    Really? I haven’t heard that, but it would be interesting if true. Do you have a link?

  321. Russ says:
    @anon

    From 2016, here by state are the percent of obese people (body mass index over 30), in four groupings:

    https://twitter.com/Peter_Nimitz/status/1075269342227357696/photo/4

    If you add that data to the data list presented with this posting (from Google Sheets), you immediately notice that only five states are in the most obese of the four buckets (35%+ obese people in the state):
    West Virginia 4 61%
    Louisiana 26 64%
    Arkansas 34 65%
    Alabama 13 66%
    Mississippi 13 66%
    All five are in the 60+% non-vax category, with the southern four in the lead. While Arkansas and Louisiana are 1st and 3rd in cases per 100,000, note that Alabama and Mississippi (at 13 cases per 100,000 each) are farther down the list (though both above average). Missouri (60% non-vax; 30-35% obese) and Florida (53% non-vax; 25-30% obese) tie for 2nd-most cases per 100,000 (30 each). The five states in the 35%+ obesity category average 18 cases per 100,000 and average 64.4% non-vaxxed.

    The two least obese states and DC (20-25%) are Massachusetts, DC, and Colorado. They average 5.33 Covid cases per 100,000 and average 43.33% non-vaxxed:
    Massachusetts 3 37%
    Washington, D.C. 4 46%
    Colorado 9 47%

    A total of 23 states weigh in at 25-30% obese. They average 7.57 Covid cases per 100,000 and average 48% non-vaxxed.

    A total of 20 states weigh in at 30-35% obese. They average 8 Covid cases per 100,000 and average 56% non-vaxxed.

    The data which produces that r = 0.56 value (actually, r^2 = 0.309139) produces a linear model of
    cases/100,000 = -17.9732 + 50.96297*(%novax)
    with %novax in decimal form
    It produces an exponential model of
    cases/100,000 = exp(-1.39299)*exp(6.176043*%novax)
    with %novax again in decimal form.
    The r^2 for the linearized exponential model is 0.433.
    The exponential model’s Sum of Square of Errors (SSE) is 2217.7.

    The exponential line above, as modeled from points (33% non-vaxxed, 2 per 100,000) and (56% non-vaxxed, 12 per 100,000), seems to take the form
    cases/100,000 = 0.1530*exp(7.7903*%novax)
    The exponential model’s Sum of Square of Errors (SSE) is 2581.66 > 2217.7. Not sure what’s awry there.

    I would post an updated graph with the points colored by obesity, but I can’t seem to do so with a non-Web image.

    The non-vaxxed percentages can only shrink with time, so those points will be shifting to the left. The shifting will be achieved through 1) explicit vaccinations, which put shekels into the pockets of Pfizer and Moderna, and 2) implicit vaccinations, which serve neither pharmaceutical corporation nor political coercion but do transfer antibodies to the exposed.

    For my money, https://alexberenson.substack.com/ is doing the best and most coherent work in this domain. As the above indicates, co-morbidity is huge here.

    • Agree: Yancey Ward
    • Replies: @Russ
  322. Pericles says:
    @Anonymous

    this is very, very poor form. Don’t threaten Steve, especially with the withholding of money. Weak. For all he has done, he deserves better. If you are upset with him, and want to do that, then just do it. Don’t publicly blackmail him.

    Agreed.

  323. Pericles says:

    Note that 0.56 is considered a modest correlation (below 0.5 counts as ‘weak’), so take that for what you will.

    So let’s get this stupid, tiresome pandemic over and done in ’21.

    Alas, I expect it’s like getting the flu over and done in ’21. We will instead presumably have various mutants, sorry variants, with us for a long, long, indefinitely long time. There will thus be many more booster shots needed. Learn to live with it.

    Some of us who live in crowded places might even sneakily enjoy the day-to-day of all the restrictions. Fewer people out and about after all; it’s like we’re living in a nicely lower population world.

    (Personally, I always enjoyed the empty summers most when living in a college town. Not really an issue nowadays due to optimizing the location, especially when combined with residing in lightly restricted Sweden.)

  324. jill says:

    MIT study:

    “It shows that characterizing antimask groups as data-illiterate or not engaging with the data, is empirically false.”

    https://news.mit.edu/2021/when-more-covid-data-doesnt-equal-more-understanding-0304

  325. jill says:

    Anti-SARS-CoV-2 Monoclonal Antibodies That Received Emergency Use Authorizations From the Food and Drug Administration

    https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/anti-sars-cov-2-antibody-products/anti-sars-cov-2-monoclonal-antibodies/

  326. @Steve Sailer

    There’s quite a few studies with very promising results.

    I’m surprised you haven’t touched this story, it seems right up your alley: “Lonely scientists fighting entrenched stupidity with facts, and losing”. Take a look at these Charles Murray-esque physiognomies. Why are they being ignored?

  327. @allergic2katz

    I couldn’t decide between Thanks and Agree, so…

    Thanks: Adam Smith
    Agree: Adam Smith

  328. Jack D says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Anyway, I have read that the US now uses different cycle thresholds for PCR tests based on vaccination status –

    I have also read that bubble gum contains spider eggs and that Proctor & Gamble is in league with the devil.

    Do the testing labs even know your vaccination status? I doubt it. What about the fact that 99%+ of the people who are now in the hospital with Covid are unvaccinated? Are they faking that too?

  329. @anon

    Your NPR article is from May 1. Today is July 18, or roughly 10 weeks later. A lot can change in 10+ weeks, as we saw last year.

    What do you think happened in 10 weeks? The numbers reversed?

    People under 50 are ending up in the hospital because that group is less vaccinated than over 50.

    This isn’t that complicated.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @res
  330. @Thea

    Have you checked the VAERS death toll lately?

    openvaers.com/covid-data

  331. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “By the way, what exactly did happen to the flu last year? Didn’t hear a whole lot about it.”

    PIC: pneumonia, influenza, covid

    The Covid Disinformation Centers created PIC soon after launching the CoronaHoax and then called every case of pneumonia, influenza, and covid “Covid19.” Thus was the flu (and pneumonia) cured overnight thru the magic of creative accounting.

    Educate yourself: PIC has been around since April 2020.

    • Agree: JR Ewing
  332. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    My point is that the vast majority of Adults are vaccinated and a significant numbers of the unvaccinated have natural immunity. The pandemic is over , yet the scare mongering continues.

    The pandemic is not over. Florida’s cases doubled last week
    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/07/16/florida-covid-19/

    Florida is following the path of the UK where the Delta variant is causing a pandemic among the unvaccinated.

    • Replies: @res
  333. Jack D says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Because ivermectin might or might not work against Covid (once you are infected with a virus, any virus, there are very few effective anti-viral drugs – it’s just very hard to kill a virus which is barely a living thing to begin with) but vaccines are known to be highly effective in preventing viral infection or at least giving you partial immunity such that if you do become infected you have only a very mild version of the disease.

    Ivermectin? What about hydroxychloroquine? Why are anti-vaxxers always seizing on alternative drugs? If the gubmint said that everyone had to take shots of Ivermectin, they’d be saying that it’s poison and there’s no way they were getting an Ivermectin jab. Bringing up Ivermectin is just a way of changing the subject.

  334. Jack D says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Some of us are concerned about the effects on fertility.

    It’s always possible to raise some concern. It’s impossible to conclusively prove a negative – “The Covid vaccine has zero effect on fertility in all cases”. All we can do is go by the data and the data doesn’t seem to show any particular effect. Why aren’t you concerned about the effect of all of the other vaccines that you get on fertility? About the effect of peanut butter on fertility? Something like 2 BILLION people have now received a Covid vaccine. Wouldn’t we have noticed an effect on fertility by now? Doesn’t dying of Covid also effect your fertility?

    If it was somehow possible to allay your concerns about fertility (I don’t know what would do it), wouldn’t you then say, “Some of us are concerned about the effects of the Covid vaccine on X”? (The list of X’s being infinitely long.) What would it take to convince you that the Covid vaccine is safe and effective and that you should take it? Is there any amount of proof that would do it? FDA permanent approval? At least be honest and say that nothing on earth would convince you and that it has nothing to do with fertility per se.

    It’s interesting that you mention fertility – something tied up with manhood.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Gabe Ruth
  335. @Jack D

    “If the gubmint said that everyone had to take shots of Ivermectin, they’d be saying that it’s poison and there’s no way they were getting an Ivermectin jab.”

    Ivermectin is taken orally. Educate yourself, Mr. Jack Off of All Trades D.

    Ivermectin is cheap and readily available over-the-counter at farm supply stores. If Uncle Samantha recommended ivermectin for the coronasniffles and didn’t threaten and coerce people about it, then people might try it. Right now there is a 24/7 propaganda-coercion campaign for The Prick, even as the most highly Pricked nations have the highest case counts. The Prick does. not. work, Q E D.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  336. epebble says:

    over and done in ’21.

    World population is over 7 Billion. Fewer than 1 Billion are vaccinated. The virus has free rein in 6 billion human bodies to mutate. In less than a year, we have seen at least 4 mutations (worse than the original). Covid is never going to be over and done.. Add it to common cold and influenza as yet another respiratory viral disease we have to learn to live with. Some day, we may get an upper hand in resource rich locales, as we did for tuberculosis. But not vanquish it like small pox or polio. We have never vanquished a respiratory illness. They are too easy to spread.

  337. @John Johnson

    I’m not sure if you are aware, but Italy is a different country than the U.S. In fact, Italy is on a completely different continent, with completely different people with different risk profiles, health histories, genetics, etc. I imagine that Italy might have different public health problems and accordingly take a different approach to the problem than the U.S.

    The numbers in my note above are U.S. numbers all from the CDC website and they indicate the we did not have a problem serious enough to justify shutting down the economy.

  338. anonymous[911] • Disclaimer says:
    @JR Ewing

    I was definitely exposed to it through a kid on my son’s little league team (I was the coach).

    When did you learn the kid was infected? Before you allowed him to attend/participate?

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
  339. AE says:

    One potential confound is the policy many institutions have adopted post widespread vaccine availability requiring the unvaccinated to test regularly while the vaxxed are not required to do so.

  340. Russ says:
    @Russ

    Granted, I realize that several of my most strident commenters are 22-year-old Nietzschean ubermensches with 56″ chests and 31″ waists who are utterly invulnerable to covid …

    Were I not exhausted earlier this morning from wrestling Excel to do the analysis above, I’d have asserted that it’s the untermensches with 31″ chests and 56″ waists who are utterly vulnerable to covid (and cancer … and diabetes … and heart disease …)

  341. Corvinus says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    “The reason the medical profession isn’t recommending it is that the medical profession is a pack of crooks and quacks and spineless heedless shitheads.”

    Does that include those individuals and groups in the source you cite?

    “There’s more than enough info available to doctors – see here or here – to allow them to make a judgment call on doses.”

    Judgement calls in this particular case requires consistent data. Some of the studies from the source you cite demonstrates that physicians may want to exercise extreme caution especially if the research methodology is flawed.

    https://c19ivermectin.com/turkia3.html

    https://c19ivermectin.com/birdroman.html

    https://c19ivermectin.com/abdelsalam3.html

    “Any doctor who won’t prescribe ivermectin should be stripped of his licence and testicles”

    Not if a doctor looked at those studies and decided, based on their experience, on their own behalf and with consultation of peers that the results of the studies are “muddied”.

    Bottom line? Ivermectin MAY be helpful.

    https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx

    Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

  342. BB753 says:
    @jill

    You wanna bet that none of the elites got the jab? They’re criminal but not stupid.

  343. Corvinus says:
    @Kratoklastes

    “As I’ve said before, I would be a happy camper if COVID19 had any prospect of rinsing out the human gene pool…only government could fuck up a quest to develop a pathogen to wipe out a large fraction of the Useless Eaters”

    So, self-described genius, what criteria are using to determine who are these “Useless Eaters”? How does “rinsing out the gene pool” fit in with Christian principles of preserving life?

    “(I’m less reliant on my 32″ waist for my übermenschness, than I am on my ~+2.5σ position in the IQ distribution.”

    No one here asked, and no one here probably cares.

    • Troll: allergic2katz
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  344. Dissident says:
    @Desiderius

    Will not be vaccinating kids (although they got the full battery of the usual recommended list with some trepidation and sure enough one ended up with some autism)

    Do you have any reason, any credible evidence, to attribute the autism to any of the vaccines given?

  345. Corvinus says:
    @ThreeCranes

    “After all the lies we’ve been fed for the last 55 years how and why would a reasonableperson believe anything put out by our government via the corrupted mainstream media?”

    I get it. By having this mindset, you don’t have to engage in critical thinking. As a result, in the past decade, we are witnessing an increasing number of people like yourself who are slaves to confirmation bias and are vulnerable to manufactured narratives. Free yourself! As Ron Unz clearly stated:

    I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980’s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”

    “I trust nothing the federal government produces. It’s all tainted by a political agenda.”

    Using your “logic”, then we cannot trust Trump’s claims that the election of 2020 was a fraud. His administration “produced” policies for four years, which reeked of the stench of a “political agenda”.

  346. I love it. You guys just love it when Sailer trots out the damned lying statistics to support, oh, IQ, or something else that flatters your own dumb prejudices.

    But, now, look at this!

    A whole shitload of “statistics” saying the virus is real, and deadly, and dangerous.

    Just what you guys hate. And so now his vaunted “statistics” must be wrong.

    Which is it? Are “statistics” reliable? Or are they garbage in garbage out? I guess it depends on whether the statistics flatter your biases or not. That’s the key variable.

    You are so transparently cognitively-dissonant-challenged. Hardehar.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
    • Disagree: Guest29048
  347. Should you get vaccinated if you already tested positive for the Kung Flu? Asking for a friend. Seriously.

  348. Travis says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    sounds prudent to me. The grandparents are all vaccinated so they gain nothing from getting the grandchildren vaccinated.

    it is selfish for vaccinated grandparents to insist their grandkids are injected with an experimental vaccine with no long-term safety record. The FDA has yet to approve the vaccines They’re authorized for emergency use only. Yet the emergency has passed. The pandemic is over. There is no reason for people under the age of 40 to get vaccinated. Half of them already have immunity due to a past coronavirus infection.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  349. res says:
    @anon

    A lot can change in 10+ weeks, as we saw last year.

    Right. Here is information on hospitalizations (no age breakdown though). Current 7 day average is 17k people throughout the US.
    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#hospitalizations

    You can also look at states or HHS regions. Regions 4 (SE) and 6 (South Central) have the most hospitalizations right now.

    This page has new hospital admissions RATES by age group.
    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions

    • Replies: @anon
  350. Jack D says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I understand that ivermectin is an oral drug. I give it to my dog to prevent heartworm. I’m just going along with Steve’s thesis that anti-vaxxers are afraid of needles. If the Covid vaccine could be given orally (I remember the vaccination drive for Polio where the Sabin vaccine was given on a sugar cube) how much of the opposition would disappear?

    I wonder if anyone is working on other forms? There is a form of the flu vaccine that is given as a nasal spray. I’d bet that the non-mRNA vaccines could be delivered as nasal sprays also.

  351. Jack D says:
    @Travis

    There is every indication that the FDA is going to give full approval of the Pfizer vaccine within the next few months. Will you promise to take it once it is fully approved or will you think of another excuse not to take it?

    • Replies: @Travis
  352. res says:
    @John Johnson

    Let’s revisit that data. The NPR article gave a very useful link.
    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalization-network

    First, note that this data is only a sample.

    The Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) conducts population-based surveillance for laboratory-confirmed COVID-19-associated hospitalizations in children (persons younger than 18 years) and adults. The current network covers nearly 100 counties in the 10 Emerging Infections Program (EIP) states (CA, CO, CT, GA, MD, MN, NM, NY, OR, and TN) and four additional states through the Influenza Hospitalization Surveillance Project (IA, MI, OH, and UT). The network represents approximately 10% of US population (~32 million people).

    This page has more information on COVID-NET
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covid-net/purpose-methods.html

    Looking at the lower graph (at the first link) by number we see the number of hospitalizations by age group (0-4, 5-17, 18-49, 50-64, 65+).

    On May 1st (I believe this is the data the article used) we have 21/47/946/813/758 hospitalizations by age group. So 18-49 is the largest group, but stating that as “Nationally, adults under 50 now account for the most hospitalized COVID-19 patients in the country” seems quite misleading (but hey, it’s NPR) given that 946 < 813 + 758 and the 18-49 bucket covers twice the age range of 50-64.

    For the week ending July 10th we have 12/13/222/137/139 hospitalizations by age group.

    Which raises the question: why aren't we seeing the case spike showing up as increased hospitalizations?

  353. anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    People under 50 are ending up in the hospital because that group is less vaccinated than over 50

    This is not what you claimed before. This is what you claimed before:

    The hospitals are filled with people under 50

    What hospitals, in what areas, are filled with people under 50?

    This isn’t that complicated.

    Yet you cannot answer a simple question. Why is that?

    Where are the hospitals filled with people under 50?

  354. res says:
    @John Johnson

    What do you think happened in 10 weeks? The numbers reversed?

    No (BTW, note that I am not anon you were replying to). They just all dropped by a factor of 4 or more (I would call that a significant change). See my earlier comment with the data. And why didn’t you go find the data to check as requested? It wasn’t hard to do.

    Also notice that the under 50s still account for less than half of those hospitalized (both in May and now). Contrast that fact with your “The hospitals are filled with people under 50.”

    Then there is the regional issue. The data used was a survey. It doesn’t really tell us much about other areas. This link allows a better look at new admission RATES by region, but does not have totals.
    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#new-hospital-admissions

    People under 50 are ending up in the hospital because that group is less vaccinated than over 50.

    That’s probably part of it. That a portion of the over 50 cohort had already gotten COVID probably plays a role as well.

    This isn’t that complicated.

    With all the disinformation and misinformation out there this is anything but simple.

    P.S. Here is the link NPR used again.
    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalization-network

  355. @JR Ewing

    Exactly correct. They manipulated germaphobe Trump , seeing his fear of germs as his weakness and gave the opposition the ability to destroy the economy and eliminate millions s of jobs while closing the schools and churches across America.

    the 2020 death data is now available, and excess deaths were below 400,000 last year. just 3.3 million deaths compared to the 2.9 million deaths in 2019. While most excess deaths were due to Covid, many were due to other causes related to the clampdowns and BLM rioting. 2021 is on pace to have no excess deaths, demonstrating the pandemic ended in March.

    The fear mongering continues, despite 70% of adults being vaccinated because the media and the elites benefit from the lockdowns. 80% of adults are immune to CV thanks to the vaccines and natural immunity.

  356. anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    Thanks, that is very helpful.

    The #hospitalizations page shows an uptick in the 7 day moving average, but no evidence of filled hospitals. I wonder what data John Johnson is looking at.

  357. res says:
    @John Johnson

    The pandemic is not over. Florida’s cases doubled last week
    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/07/16/florida-covid-19/

    It is interesting to look at the new tests per day data for Florida at 91-DIVOC.
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

    There we see 24 million (!) new COVID tests reported on June 17th with no others reported since June 5th. What kind of games are they playing down there?!

    This site has test data for the previous week, but I can’t find historical data.
    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_testsper100k7day

  358. @Paperback Writer

    The phrase is “let ‘er rip”, thank you very much!

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  359. The graphic would have been a whole lot more fun if somebody helped Steve replace the red dots by two-letter state IDs.

    • Replies: @res
  360. Dissident says:
    @Altai

    Hassids in New York were key incubators of the early cases, the synagogue in New Rochelle saw a huge proportion of it’s members become infected.

    The synagogue in New Rochelle that you refer to is not Hasidic nor even Haredi (“Ultra-Orthodox”) at all but Modern-Orthodox. Orthodox Jews span a vast spectrum. Those at or near the modern end of it are probably among the demographics most compliant with COVID restrictions.

    Contra the simplistic, monolithic view of Jews that many here obviously hold…some examples of diversity even within Orthodox Jewry…

    [MORE]

    All Hasidim are Orthodox but not all Orthodox are Hasidim. All Hasidim are Haredim but not all Haredim are Hasidim. Nearly all anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews are Haredi but not all Haredim are anti-Zionist. The most vocal and conspicuous among the latter are those who identify as Neturei Karta. They total a relatively small number that is nowhere near a majority of the many Orthodox Jews who are theologically anti-Zionist. Moreover, there is no single entity of Neturei Karta but in fact at least several different factions who identify under that label, only some of which embrace the pro-Palestinian and similar activism that the name has become most associated with.[1]

    One of the largest subsets of Hasidim, and easily the most widely known (and uniquely active in outreach toward secular and unaffiliated Jews) is Chabad-Lubavitch. What many do not realize is that there are actually many different branches or sects within Hasidic Judaism, many of which differ profoundly from each other, and that Chabad is a completely unique entity unto itself, differing radically from all the others. (Chabad, from its inception, always differed profoundly from mainstream Hasidism. These differences increased and became more profound, though, with a number of major changes that were implemented by the last Rebbe of Chabad who died in 1994. The division has grown even more pronounced since his death, after which many of his followers, defying both reality as well as clear doctrinal precedents in Judaism, continued to proclaim him Messiah. Some went so far as explicitly denying that their late leader had actually died, and some even farther, into patent idolatry.)

    [1] Few, if any, of those who can be seen in the photo below are from that fringe.

    https://i2.wp.com/www.middleeastmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/20170328_2_22700249_20407852.jpg?resize=1200%2C800&quality=85&strip=all&zoom=1&ssl=1

    Translation of the Hebrew text on the sign appearing in the lower left-hand corner of the photo:

    The mere existence of the Zionist State is inherently against the Holy Torah. We therefore pray and hope for its [peaceful] abolition, speedily.

  361. @Jack D

    Why aren’t you concerned about the effect of all of the other vaccines that you get on fertility?

    Because they were proven safe long before I was born. (They don’t call us “boomers” for nothing!)

    What would it take to convince you that the Covid vaccine is safe and effective and that you should take it?

    Which of the– what? four? five? six?– Covid vaccines are you talking about? Who am I supposed to believe? Dr Fauci?

    Something like 2 BILLION people have now received a Covid vaccine. Wouldn’t we have noticed an effect on fertility by now?

    Ask me next year. Or in five years. It takes time for these things to show.

    It’s interesting that you mention fertility – something tied up with manhood.

    And marriage. And civilization and its continuation.

    I have been avoiding flu shots for decades and have done fine. It seems to have been a sound policy. What’s so special this time around?

  362. utu says:
    @Corvinus

    The meta study paper you cite is being questioned. This is about Elgazzar et al. paper that is one of 15 studies used.

    Is Ivermectin for Covid-19 Based on Fraudulent Research?
    https://gidmk.medium.com/is-ivermectin-for-covid-19-based-on-fraudulent-research-5cc079278602

  363. utu says:
    @Reasonableperson

    ” where did all these people come from?” – Good question. It is a rebellion. To what extent it is organic and grassroots and which part of it is being steered and by whom?

    There are articles looking at anti-vaxxers beliefs and psychological profiles. In the US and in fact in all Five Eyes countries (in Canada in particular) the correlation (0.4-0.5) with conspiratorial thinking among the anti-vaxxers is higher than in other countries. Twice as high as in Chile (0.2).

    A concern about vaccination is normal and understandable. People look at side effects and they worry. There were cases of Guillain-Barre syndrom which is serious and very rare disease form swine flu vaccine in the US and the vaccinations were stopped. More recently there were side effects from MMR vaccine in Japan and also the vaccinations were suspended.

    But then there is this paranoid style of thinking about vaccines which IMO is particularly virulent in the US and Canada. One part of it is that the greedy and unscrupulous corporations want to make money disregarding our needs and rights and the other part of it is that ‘they’ want to kill us or something even worse like turn us into zombies with brains directly connected via the G5 network to Bill Gates basement.

    What I am interested is to what extend the movement is being steered from the outside as a part of psychological warfare. There are clearly very capable ‘operatives’ within the movement and well funded ‘think-tanks’ that provide the talking points and often they are very challenging to the official narrative:

    MIT Study: Vaccine Hesitancy Is ‘Highly Informed, Scientifically Literate,’ and ‘Sophisticated’
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/07/17/mit-study-vaccine-hesitancy-is-highly-informed-scientifically-literate-and-sophisticated-n1462591

    • Replies: @utu
  364. @Chrisnonymous

    I didn’t want to misgender anything.

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
  365. utu says:
    @utu

    Influencers paid to disseminate negative ‘information’ about vaccines.

  366. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    So then by this logic, the point stands: Taking the COVID vaccine should protect one from COVID, the flu, and pneumonia. Thus without realizing it, by extension, the medical establishment has found a cure for the flu as well as pneumonia.

  367. Travis says:
    @Jack D

    My immune system already defeated coronavirus so I have natural immunity. Why would anyone get vaccinated against a virus they already defeated ?

    Even if the FDA approves the vaccines for teenagers my children will not be getting vaccinated, because coronavirus poses no risk to them and all our elderly relatives are vaccinated. 90% of the elderly in America are vaccinated, so they pose no risk to your grandmothers and grandfathers.

  368. fredtard says:
    @Anon

    No, it’s to build resentment of, and pressure brought to bear on, the unvaccinated by the vaccinated.

  369. JR Ewing says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    To put it even more succinctly:

    Flu didn’t disappear, we renamed it.

    Drives me crazy when people credulously say, “Masks made the flu disappear!” Makes me wish I had a bridge to sell.

  370. @Corvinus

    Christian principles of preserving life

    Oh dearie me. Where does one start when one’s interlocutor makes it clear that they believe in fairy tales?

    According to the first half of the stupid gallimaufry of primitive drivel you think is a basis for ‘principles’, your GodMan’s FatherSelf already did one big rinse-out (as usual in tales told by primitive idiots, the science of the Flood doesn’t hang together, but it’s still one of the stupid stories that numbskulls who ‘believe’ are supposed to believe).

    As to the selection mechanism: it was right there in the text, and was replaced in your citation buy an ellipsis – either you didn’t read it; you didn’t understand it when you read it; or you excised it deliberately as a rhetorical device (a very typical hallmark of religious apologists).

    Here’s the skinny: apart from – in fact, in addition to – advanced age, the key criteria that (rarely) generate bad COVID outcomes are all associated with metabolic imprudence: failure to take even basic steps to ‘look after yourself‘.

    There is some collateral damage involving people unlucky enough to have genetic defects that cause their organ systems to fail to rise to challenges, but the overwhelming majority of sub-sexagenarian COVID victims have spent their lifetime eating packaged pseudofood, as if there were no consequences.

    Imagine a world where waddling fuckwits were so rare that they almost never got in your road, and where nobody was so obese that they had to ride around on a ‘mobility scooter’. Tell me that wouldn’t be an objectively better world.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  371. JR Ewing says:
    @anonymous

    I was definitely exposed to it through a kid on my son’s little league team (I was the coach).

    When did you learn the kid was infected? Before you allowed him to attend/participate?

    We practiced on a Wednesday in June and he and my son shared a catchers mask as they had all season since February. The mom called me the next day on Thursday afternoon and said that he wasn’t feeling well on Wednesday after practice and had tested positive Thursday morning.

    Per our league protocol (and the pediatrician’s directions), he was immediately put into a 10 day quarantine. Later that weekend, the mom and the older sister also came down with it, but strangely enough, the dad and the older brother did not.

    I was immediately worried that my son had been sufficiently exposed through the catchers mask and sure enough, he woke up the next Monday morning complaining of a sore throat and by that evening was sick enough not to go to practice. I felt fine earlier in the day but on the way home from practice that night I started feeling uncomfortable, like I was feverish and coming down with the flu, but when I got home I did not have a temperature. That night the heart palpitations started and I felt uncomfortable – but not really sick – for about 24 hours straight, then it all went away and I felt perfectly fine by Wednesday morning. My son was also recovered by then as well.

    By all accounts, the original sick kid was fine by the end of the 3rd day (i.e. the first Friday) and after sitting out a week was able to come back and rejoin the team the next weekend.

    No one else on the team ever became sick.

    I described my experience to one of my old college roommates who is a PCP in another state and he said that yes, as I suspected, it sounds like I was exposed to covid through my son and his teammate and my reaction was consistent with already having been infected before.

    Considering all of that, I don’t logically see the point of taking on the risk of getting “vaccinated” at this point. Not because I’m an ignorant red state republican but because I don’t think my comparative risk from the actual disease itself is particularly high enough for me to be worried.

    It is beyond my comprehension why the powers that be refuse to acknowledge acquired immunity from past infections and insists that the only way to be “safe” is to submit to a dangerous injection.

    • Agree: Guest29048
  372. @Jack D

    See here. You’ll need to click on the part that says “How to send CDC sequence data or respiratory specimens from suspected vaccine breakthrough cases”.

    CDC would like to receive sequence data and respiratory specimens from COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases to assess the SARS-CoV-2 lineage, including variants. When a vaccine breakthrough case is identified, the health department will contact the laboratory to request that any residual respiratory specimen from the positive test be held for sequencing at CDC.

    The health department also will request the specimen ID numbers and the Ct value for positive RT-PCR results.

    If SARS-CoV-2 sequencing will not be performed locally and a specimen is available, the state public health laboratory should request the residual clinical respiratory specimen for subsequent shipping to CDC.

    For cases with a known RT-PCR cycle threshold (Ct) value, submit only specimens with Ct value ≤28 to CDC for sequencing.

    This is a much higher threshold than has generally been used. Here is the CDC’s current general guidance for laboratories on how to perform PCR tests. They start talking about how to interpret the results on page 35. Some excerpts:

    • All clinical samples should exhibit fluorescence growth curves in the RNase P reaction that cross
    the threshold line within 40.00 cycles (< 40.00 Ct), thus indicating the presence of the human
    RNase P gene. Failure to detect RNase P in any clinical specimens may indicate

    […]

    • When all controls exhibit the expected performance, a specimen is considered negative if all
    2019-nCoV marker (N1, N2) cycle threshold growth curves DO NOT cross the threshold line
    within 40.00 cycles (< 40.00 Ct) AND the RNase P growth curve DOES cross the threshold line
    within 40.00 cycles (< 40.00 Ct).
    • When all controls exhibit the expected performance, a specimen is considered positive for 2019-
    nCoV if all 2019-nCoV marker (N1, N2) cycle threshold growth curves cross the threshold line
    within 40.00 cycles (< 40.00 Ct). The RNase P may or may not be positive as described above, but
    the 2019-nCoV result is still valid.
    • When all controls exhibit the expected performance and the growth curves for the 2019-nCoV
    markers (N1, N2) AND the RNase P marker DO NOT cross the cycle threshold growth curve within
    40.00 cycles (< 40.00 Ct), the result is invalid. The extracted RNA from the specimen should be retested. If residual RNA is not available, re-extract RNA from residual specimen and re-test. If the
    re-tested sample is negative for all markers and RNase P, the result is invalid and collection of a
    new specimen from the patient should be considered.
    • When all controls exhibit the expected performance and the cycle threshold growth curve for any
    one marker (N1 or N2, but not both markers) crosses the threshold line within 40.00 cycles (<
    40.00 Ct) the result is inconclusive. The extracted RNA should be retested. If residual RNA is not
    available, re-extract RNA from residual specimen and re-test. If the same result is obtained,
    report the inconclusive result. Consult with your state public health laboratory or CDC, as
    appropriate, to request guidance and/or to coordinate transfer of the specimen for additional
    analysis.

    No other cycle threshold is mentioned.

    Is that not clear? When reporting positive cases among vaccinated individuals, the CDC requires a positive PCR test with a CT value less than or equal to 28, but among unvaccinated individuals, the CT value can be as high as 39. It’s been widely reported that the higher the cycle threshold, the greater the chance of a false positive result, with the mid-thirties generally being considered the point at which that chance approaches 100%.

    • Thanks: JR Ewing, Adam Smith, Gabe Ruth
  373. @Corvinus

    “The reason the medical profession isn’t recommending it is that the medical profession is a pack of crooks and quacks and spineless heedless shitheads.”

    Does that include those individuals and groups in the source you cite?

    “Does a generalisation apply 100% of the time?”

    Judgement calls in this particular case requires consistent data. Some of the studies from the source you cite demonstrates that physicians may want to exercise extreme caution especially if the research methodology is flawed.

    “Consistent data” being of the most vital importance, and “extreme caution” being regrettably warranted, when judging the safety and efficacy of cheap drugs, but not expensive vaccines. This is hydroxychloroquine fearmongering all over again, but worse, since ivermectin is even safer. I repeat that the alternative treatment is nothing, so doctors should prescribe ivermectin even if they aren’t convinced it works. Failure to do so is medical malpractice.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  374. @Jack D

    “‘Anti-vaxxers’ and people who are concerned about the COVID vaccine are necessarily the same people. They’re just sillies who are scared of needles.” The absolute state of this clown.

  375. @res

    Maybe the Delta variant is less deadly or the vaccines offer protection against the hospitalizations….

    • Replies: @res
  376. @Travis

    There are millions of Americans like you and Rand Paul who refuse to get vaccinated because they acquired natural immunity. Back in April the CDC calculated that 40% of Americans under the age of 50 already had COVID, thus 90 million Americans under the age of 50 had natural immunity by March. These people have no reason to get vaccinated.

  377. @Jack D

    “Anti-vaxxers” are “seizing” on “alternative drugs” like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine – alternative drugs that have been used, and studied, for decades – because there’s evidence that they work in treating and even preventing COVID-19 infections, and without serious side effects. Or, in the case of ivermectin, almost any side effects at all.

    Compare to the various experimental vaccines being offered, which do not have decades of safety data behind them, and are currently failing to prevent surges in cases in various close-to-fully-vaccinated countries, while killing or maiming many of the poor souls who trustingly took them.

  378. @utu

    I’m still waiting for men like “Health Nerd” to apply the same level of scrutiny to experimental gene therapy injections.

    There was another fake study last year, I forget whether it was for hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. Isn’t it weird that there’s someone out there going to the trouble of creating fake studies that are, on close examination, easily proved to be fake? Isn’t it weird that they apparently aren’t gaining anything from this? And isn’t it weird that nobody ever does such an obviously fake study in support of whatever governments and big pharmaceutical companies are shilling?

  379. johnd says:

    correlation is not causation. but then correlation is correlation.
    the data set are allowing a lot of variables to slip by. what about those who got it and received immunity?
    what if the correlations were instead done with “hospitalizations” and “deaths” rather than “cases”.

    Hawaii is an interesting natural experiment.
    https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/07/18/breaking-news/hawaii-sees-164-new-coronavirus-cases-bringing-statewide-total-to-39254/

    double digit cases since March/April, theoretical start of second dosing efficacy and then triple digit numbers post-July4. 59.1% of the population fully vaccinated.
    the exceptions make the rule.

  380. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Define “cases” and break “not fully vaccinated” down into “received one dose” and “received no dose”.

    According to the CDC, a case of COVID in a vaccinated individual is defined as a positive result on a PCR test with a cycle threshold of 28 – as opposed to 40 for the unvaccinated.

    Also, the CDC’s “vaccine breakthrough case” tracking only counts as vaccinated those who’ve received both doses, and in any case relies on voluntary reporting, which is done with variable zeal. I’m not sure where Steve’s numbers come from, so I don’t know whether this affects them; but this should at least be borne in mind when reading news stories about vax efficacy.

    • Agree: BB753
  381. BB753 says:
    @Desiderius

    Except advocates of population reduction and depopulation believe the “depop” is gonna happen in places where the “world’s most important graph” ( per Sailer) is relevant. But it will happen largely in the West and industrialized countries ( though not in China). And getting the stabbies will make sure they’re also part of the population that gets “controlled”. They are delusional. Our elites really want to kill us.

  382. GFY says:

    > But it’s also increasingly obvious that anti-vaxx knuckleheadedness is putting people in the e emergency room and the cemetery.

    Fuck you too, you fascist piece of shit. Oh yeah, we’re retarded, that’s the only possible reason we could have to avoid this.

    Kill yourself, faggot

  383. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Deadite

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001354/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf

    The above is the official data reported in England. The relevant —if convoluted— table is #4. It pays to try to understand it.

    More cases (53,000 out of 92,000) of unvaccinated infections. So there is a relative protection afforded by the vaccine.

    However, it seems the % of hospitalizations of vaccinated people with Delta is slightly higher for vaccinated (roughly on cell calculator 0.026 to 0.015).

    Number of deaths for over 50 is rather higher for vaccinated: 50 deaths out of 190 fully vaccinated hospitalized to 38 deaths out of 831 unvaccinated hospitalized.

    Keep in mind that it is the vaccinated infected that provide the breeding ground for the virus to escape the specific spike-focused protection afforded by each vaccine. That is the problem with leaky vaccines.

    The unvaccinated infected (IF left without treatment) provide different selection pressures on the whole virus, not just on the spike protein.

    Early treatment is a requisite for dealing with this pandemic. It reduces days of viral shedding AND reduces chances of mutations.

    Approval of treatments seems far off, however, as it would void Emergency Use Authorization. I think if people saw they had true choice (get sick and get treatment vs. get vaccinated with old and new technologies), it would do wonders for the willingness to get vaccinated.

    NOVAVAX is an older proven technology. Coronavac is inactivated virus that did great in Chile per New England Journal of Medicine. It seems Coronavac has no extravagant side effects and 64% protection, similar to real-life Pfizer. Unfortunately, it is Chinese, but how hard can it be to get US pharma to put out a vaccine with such easy technology??

  384. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pixo

    @ Younger and healthier people are able to make antibodies with smaller and fewer exposures.

    That’s also true if anyone who got covid. Of course those already have natural (including T-cell) immunity.

    For those who had covid, there’s really an argument to be made that they don’t need the vaccine to be good citizens.

  385. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    “ Maybe the PCR people can weigh in here about false positives and explain how the vaccines-don’t-work-people are mistaken?”

    From an individual standpoint, vaccines seem to work in providing relative (64% per Israeli government) protection from infection by current Delta variant. Above I posted official English government data for vaccinated hospitalized with Delta.

    From a public policy standpoint, you need to factor in how much transmission is lowered. It seems these current leaky vaccines —where the vaccinated get sick, transmit the disease and generate mutations—, are not so good.

    Does not mean the current crop of vaccines are useless. It means we should add instruments to control the pandemic: early treatments, risk-stratified vaccination protocols, different vaccines ( whole inactivated vaccines with 3-4 “WHO Variants of concern”) to lower spike mutation and encourage the hesitant, cheap or free testing.

  386. Corvinus says:
    @Kratoklastes

    “Oh dearie me. Where does one start when one’s interlocutor makes it clear that they believe in fairy tales?”

    It’s called faith, and you would have to convince tens of millions of adherents of your desire to “rinse out the human gene pool”.

    “GodMan’s FatherSelf already did one big rinse-out…”

    Of sinners, not of low-IQ types.

    “As to the selection mechanism…”

    That’s a mere blip on the radar. Other methods would have to be employed. Regardless, your avoiding the fundamental questions–What criteria are you using to determine who are these “Useless Eaters”? Yes, you stated “”metabolic imprudence” and “a lifetime eating packaged pseudofood”, but that is rather vague. What does this process entail as to who is and who is not “rinsed”? Who exactly makes these decisions? How do you propose to convince the “unwashed masses” that your plan would make an “objectively better world”?

    “Imagine a world where waddling fuckwits were so rare that they almost never got in your road, and where nobody was so obese that they had to ride around on a ‘mobility scooter’.”

    Perhaps we ought to cut it at the root. I call on you to develop a program that culls this particular population. I mean, you are a self-proclaimed genius, should be a piece of cake. Of course, never you mind any ethical implications in light of this point.**

    https://qz.com/1288477/childhood-obesity-may-impact-iq-memory-and-learning-according-to-a-new-study/

    **

    An important gap in this research is whether children who start out obese or overweight in their early years, but lose weight by the time they reach school age, would still experience the negative associations between weight and cognition. That question exceeded the scope of this particular study: Most children’s weight status hadn’t changed by ages five and eight.

  387. Corvinus says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    “This is hydroxychloroquine fearmongering all over again, but worse, since ivermectin is even safer.”

    MAY be safer.

  388. anon[988] • Disclaimer says:

    Current headline

    60 percent of the UK’s newly hospitalized COVID-19 patients are fully vaccinated.

    https://news.yahoo.com/60-people-being-admitted-uk-164219328.html

    If 6 out of every 10 newly hospitalized COVID-19 patients received two injections of some kind of vaccine, what does that tell us about the efficacy of said vaccine?

    • Replies: @mapman
  389. mapman says:
    @415 reasons

    The answer: We have several decades-long knowledge of what anti-adenovirus immune response looks like. It’s very safe, as safe as any other commonly accepted vaccine. In contrast, we have almost no idea about long-term effects of immunity to mRNA itself. RNA is highly immunogenic and even though the modern formulations reduce it a lot, there is simply no way yet to be sure that it won’t have long-term consequences in the form of, e.g., increased rate of autoimmune disorders. Chances are high that mRNA at doses given is safe – but not 99% high.

    My solution: J&J vaccine and 0.2 mg/kg of ivermectin once a month. Every indication (and we have decades of experience with it and N in the hundreds of millions) is that at this dose it is very safe. Indeed, I have had exactly zero side effects from taking it.

  390. mapman says:
    @anon

    Not true. From your link now:

    “Correcting a statistic I gave at the press conference,” Vallance said on Twitter. “About 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are not from double vaccinated people, rather 60% of hospitalisations from COVID are currently from unvaccinated people.”

    It’s still bad that 40% of hospitalized have had the vaccine but it is almost certain that majority of those were hospitalized “with Covid”, not “for Covid”.

  391. res says:
    @Jon Claerbout

    That would have been the way to do it. I tried to help by giving the label instructions. Then all you need is to map the state names to the two letter IDs. Should be easy if you find a list which has both and alphabetize everything by state name.

  392. @Corvinus

    No, it’s safer. Again, we have decades of safety data for both drugs: doctors have a very strong idea of the potential interactions and side-effects, or lack thereof.

    You’re at the level of “Nothing is proven 100% in science!” – it’s fine if you want to be that precise, as long as you concede that it’s possible to be somewhat more certain about one thing than another, even in the absence of total certainty, and as long as you also apply the same scientific rigour to experimental gene therapy injections.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  393. res says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Those are possible. Also possible is cases are just less severe during the summer (e.g. better vitamin D status). Perhaps some combination of all three reasons?

  394. MEH 0910 says:

  395. Corvinus says:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    “Again, we have decades of safety data for both drugs…”

    For their proscribed use. Covid-19? Not entirely.

    “You’re at the level of “Nothing is proven 100% in science!”

    More like skeptical, while acknowledging those drugs may be effective treatment for Covid-19.

  396. MEH 0910 says:

  397. Gabe Ruth says:
    @Jack D

    I’m going to give it another year. Then I’ll accept that the benefits likely outweigh the risks (assuming there isn’t some very bad news by then).

  398. @Muggles

    This Falusci funded pandemic, created by the CCP, is merely demonstrating how the wolves herd the sheep. This isn’t smallpox. Wear a mask, socially “distance” and/or get vaxxed. Or don’t.

    Excellent comment end-to-end Muggles. “This isn’t smallpox”. Bingo.

    (And yeah, i’m vaxxed up and recommend it–for those who haven’t had the bug. Figured i was going to get spiked on way or another, better to get a fixed small dose of stabilized spikey, then have a virus going to town inside me, spiking me like crazy until my immune system could shut it down.)

    But your wrap:

    In the meantime, they should be working on a cure for Joe Biden’s senility.

    Disagree. Biden’s performances are the perfect messenger for the vacuous stupidity, greed and nastiness that his ideology represents. He’s high art.

  399. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “third Prick was never tested, and yet the cards – designed 9/30/2020”

    My bad, I visually transposed the digits. My PrickPass is dated September 3, 2020. Even more damning evidence – the Prick was still in phase II on 9/3/20 and the underwhelming results of the Prick were not yet publicized.

    Everyone who twice took President Trump’s little prick (double tap) into their body will be dead in one year’s time. Because peak oil and TPTB want that previous sweet crude sustaining their grandchildren for centuries to come.

  400. @Guest29048

    Have you ever seen any evidence that the mRNA vaccine actually makes any spike protein? Back in the days of Agre or Chalfie, the first thing you were asked to show was evidence that you did modify the genome* the way you claimed. It was Figure 1, in any decent paper.

    *The did not know about RNA transfection back in those days. The racists used only DNA manipulations. It took Kissmekia to get RNA to work.

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