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FIVE WAYS TO MAKE THE OUTDOORS MORE INCLUSIVE

AN ACTION PLAN FOR CHANGE

According to the most recent National Parks Service survey, about 78 percent of those who visit federal parks are white. Meanwhile, African Americans, Latinos, women, and members of the LGBTQ community often report feeling unwelcome or unsafe in outdoor spaces. …

EVEN AFTER PARKS like Shenandoah were desegregated in the 1960s, people of color have often not felt welcome at national parks. Those feelings of unease persist today. A 2012 study titled “Why Do So Few Minority People Visit National Parks?” found that Asian Americans, African Americans, and Hispanics often feel uncomfortable when going to parks. Meanwhile, some white visitors reported discomfort when around non-white visitors.

That reminds me that many years ago in Chicago I had working for me a young Korean programmer. He was a tall, handsome guy, with a good sense of humor (as I pointed out when I wrote a recommendation for him to MBA school: I noted that they no doubt got lots of applications from Asians with high test scores, but my guy had the kind of executive personality that other people like to work for).

His bride was gorgeous, in the Oriental Dragon Princess mode. Every weekend my underling took his beautiful wife to hit golf balls at the driving range in Lincoln Park and go fishing in Wisconsin. Like I said, he was very alpha (although we didn’t have that term back then) and had that happy confidence that of course other people would want to do whatever he wanted to do, such as go to the driving range and the fishing hole.

She complained vociferously that small town white people in Wisconsin were very racist against Asians and looked at them funny when they drove through. I figured that more likely she wished her husband would take her on more urbane jaunts than fishing in Wisconsin, such as to a musical or a museum or Marshall Field’s.

 
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  1. South Koreans hike a lot, far more than Americans do. And they are always fully equipped. Koreans hike in the mountains near Seoul with better gear than americans use on Whitney.

    • Replies: @rufus
    @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle

    They tend to follow trendy western habits, golf etc. Changing recently with their own pop culture, fashion labels. Korea still not a developed country outside of Seoul. Remove the American presence its vassalised instantly despite the nationalist rhetoric.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle

    I met a tiny Korean woman (from Vancouver, but no Canuck accent) walking the Coast to Coast path in England by herself (and limping badly after four consecutive days up and down Lake District hills - she needed a day off and a few blister plasters).

    UK agencies like the Countryside Commission bemoan the absence of black people in the great outdoors. There are more Asians (Indians/Pakistanis) walking these days, but they tend to do the well-known stuff like Snowdon.

    Were it ever to change, I'm not sure so many ladies would be comfortable walking the hills solo.

    (The white people who walk are a self-selected subset of whites, too, otherwise it still wouldn't be safe. Sometimes I bump into a solo female on some remote hillside and we're probably several miles from the next human being.)

    PS - am I the only one getting a "you can only post one comment an hour" message?

    Replies: @RVBlake

  2. Action Step 2B: Be flexible with rules to make visitors feel comfortable

    Let’s stop enforcing laws to make law breaking blacks and latinos feel more welcome!

    • Replies: @Corn
    @jcd1974

    I believe that’s starting to happen in some cities with Democrat DAs

  3. Meanwhile, African Americans, Latinos, women, and members of the LGBTQ community often report feeling unwelcome or unsafe in outdoor spaces.

    EEHeWM. Everyone Except Hetero White Men feels unwelcome or unsafe – hopefully both!

    Meanwhile, HeWM are tough and aren’t all a-scairt of “outdoor spaces” like Walmart parking lots.

  4. Going to the outdoors is very much a European thing (or more specifically a Northern and Eastern European thing) that got transplanted quite well to North America. It’s not in other cultures, roughing it on the outdoors seems an extremely weird concept to Asians, Africans and Latin Americans. I don’t know why, but certainly the forest is engrained in Slavic and Germanic mythologies. It might have to do also with the European outdoors (and by extension the outdoors in North America) being relatively safe, except perhaps for bears and wolves. In Africa, Asia, and Latin America you will find hundreds of deadly snakes, spiders, crocodiles, big cats that makes in unlikely you came out alive (tens of thousands of people still die in India every year of snake bites) if you get out of your town/village

  5. Anon[413] • Disclaimer says:

    It takes love of nature. Not all peoples share the passion.

    Also, camping isn’t all fun and games. It takes effort and there are challenges.

    Btw, the last thing we need is more litter or loud noise in nature.

    Often on hiking trips, I don’t see anyone for miles and miles. I like it like that.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Anon


    It takes love of nature. Not all peoples share the passion.
     
    Yep. Love of nature is something in which I'm totally lacking. To me nature is wet, uncomfortable, smelly and dangerous. If I really feel compelled to look at nature I can watch it on TV. You couldn't pay me to visit a national park. I did go once, when I was a kid, and it was a nightmare.

    And yet I'm white and I'm not a city-dweller. Nature and I just don't get along.

    The worship of nature in Europe goes back to the Romantic Movement. The Romantic Movement was a terrible idea and has been one of the contributing factors to the decline and decadence of European civilisation. Nature should not be worshipped. Trees are not sacred. Being civilised means leaving nature behind.

    Love of nature is a cult.

    Replies: @TTSSYF

  6. She complained vociferously that small town white people in Wisconsin were very racist against Asians and looked at them funny when they drove through

    It had nothing to do with them being Asians. People in small towns know everyone, and if you are unknown, you get scrutinized.

    I’ll bet the same would have happened to her were she to go to a small town in Korea.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Same happens to every FIBer that crosses the northern border

    , @TTSSYF
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    My one anecdote. My Korean in-law, who lives in northern Virginia near D.C., constantly talks about how she is discriminated against by white Americans.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    , @Poolside at the Decline
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Sadly, I have found as an employer, that members of "protected classes" see the world & their challenges & failures in it as mostly a product of discrimination against their class.

  7. I used to frequent an internet board that included hiking/travel topics. The indubitably white denizens of that board had some links and studies that conclusively showed POC et al were properly represented in the national parks and such; so everything’s fine, just carry on.

  8. “Looked at funny” means racist now? But of course it does.

    I get looked at funny all the time traveling to rural parts of Asia. I guess they’re racist against Whites.

    This all-purpose “racist” smear is about getting power. That is all.

    • Agree: fish
  9. Meanwhile, African Americans, Latinos, women, and members of the LGBTQ community often report feeling unwelcome or unsafe in outdoor spaces. …

    But that’s their personal little problem, isn’t it?

    I feel unsafe around African Americans, Latinos, and members of the LGBTQ community (but not necessarily women, except if they are of the aggressive/hysteric sort)

    Still I don’t demand that someone do something about it.

    EVEN AFTER PARKS like Shenandoah were desegregated in the 1960s…

    It was decided that Wolves and Bears shall lie together!

    people of color have often not felt welcome at national parks.

    Definitely the Bears. They are racist against the cultural appropriation of earth toned skin.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @El Dato

    Definitely the Bears. They are racist against the cultural appropriation of earth toned skin.

    Polar bears are racist. Black bears are not racist.

  10. “She complained vociferously that small town white people in Wisconsin were very racist against Asians and looked at them funny when they drove through. I figured that more likely she wished her husband would take her on more urbane jaunts than fishing in Wisconsin, such as to a musical or a museum or Marshall Field’s.

    I tried using this tactic on my wife when it was time to go visit her side of the family on holidays. The look she gave me would not be classified as “funny”.

  11. As far as love of nature goes, no nation beats the Japanese. And they can be quite adventuresome.

    Blacks sneer at camping. Just like they sneer at education and anything else they aren’t good at.

  12. Actually, I think we need more people of color out camping. They are the ones who go stomping through the poison oak on their way to sampling the pokeweed berries, and think all Deer are actually Bambi, but run in abject error from a skunk (which will never bother you if you don’t piss it off.).

    That never stops being funny.

    • Replies: @Macumazahn
    @theMann


    run in abject error from a skunk
     
    I see what you did there.
  13. I hike a lot in the state forest near where I live. As strange as it may sound, the only black man I’ve encountered on the trails, and I’ve seen him twice, is a cross-dresser or transgender. One time he was wearing electric blue hot pants and a matching crop top, the other something that looked like bicycle shorts made of silver lamé and a purple tank top. It reinforces my observation that gay black men violate all black male stereotypes. I can’t help it if no one will believe this.

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
    @Harry Baldwin

    Tiny Duck?

    , @anon
    @Harry Baldwin


    I hike a lot in the state forest near where I live. As strange as it may sound, the only black man I’ve encountered on the trails, and I’ve seen him twice, is a cross-dresser or transgender. One time he was wearing electric blue hot pants and a matching crop top, the other something that looked like bicycle shorts made of silver lamé and a purple tank top.
     
    lol, you should post that over in the comment section of The Atlantic
    , @kibernetika
    @Harry Baldwin

    If the fellow transitions, one prays that his given name is Urkle, so that he may easily "seamlessly"
    -- well, with some seams and stitches -- transition into Ursula. (Although in this context, that brings up the repulsive "bear" phenomenon.)

    The lamé reminds one of the They Might Be Giants song: https://youtu.be/Brjr0Bhj12M Lamé ain't a word commonly heard. Never knew of it until I mistakenly dated an actress for a few years (the psychic wounds have nearly healed).

    Disclaimer: Full of Christmas spirits ;)

    , @black sea
    @Harry Baldwin

    He may feel a compulsion to cross-dress, but is afraid to do so in his own neighborhood. In the state forest, he is well-assured that the chance of running into anyone he knows, or for that matter, any other black people, is infinitesimally small.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  14. The hidden element here is just class. There are lots of Indian and Asian SWPL (and yes, even black ones too, though there just aren’t too many of them.) who go hiking. Urban people often have a prejudice against the countryside even when their parents come from there.

    I am constantly surprised by this American-bubble these people live in. Do they think to look at this exact phenomena in other countries? It’s a class thing stupid. No doubt some level of apprehension of being unwelcome is there for urban blacks for some parts of the US, but there’s lots of nature outside the former CSA and often closer to them, it is not a very big factor and national parks are completely safe spaces from the perspective of racial abuse.

  15. Lesbians seem to be targets.

    Anti-gay bias leads to deadly shooting on Appalachian Trail in 1988

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/anti-gay-bias-leads-deadly-1988-shooting-appalachian-trail-article-1.3934736

    TWO WOMEN HIKERS SLAIN IN SHENANDOAH PARK

    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1996-06-05-9606040528-story.html

    Md. Man Charged With Hate Murders
    BY DAN COLLINS
    UPDATED ON: APRIL 10, 2002
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/md-man-charged-with-hate-murders/

    A Maryland man who said he hated lesbians and enjoyed assaulting vulnerable women has been charged with the 1996 murder of two female hikers in Virginia’s Shenandoah National Park, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Wednesday.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @BostonB

    But nature and walking trails close to the city can be a good place for a black person to kill whites, as in this 2017 example.

    “The [first four homicide] victims were white males from 54 to 66 years old; one death was on the Blue River Trail and three were along the Indian Creek Trail in south Kansas City, and three of the four were walking their dogs.”

    “The 22-year-old man suspected of shooting five middle-aged white men since last year — including four on south Kansas City walking trails — threatened in 2014 to shoot up a school and “kill all white people,” according to court records.”

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article170340652.html

    Replies: @sj, @Harry Baldwin, @E. Rekshun

  16. Yes, calling other people racist is often little more than an assertion of one having higher social status than them.

    I suspect the tremendous fatness of rural folks in the States functions as a physical cue in the same way as the relative shortness of the lower classes in pre-Victorian England did.

    My game is to shame those doing the asserting as snobs who appreciate all the wrong things in life, hopefully to make them feel like middle class strivers.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Tyrion 2

    “shame ... as snobs who appreciate all the wrong things in life ... make them feel like middle class strivers.”
    Can you elaborate? This sounds like it could be effective but I’ve become so weary of the virtue signallers that I just avoid them rather than engage.

  17. Seems that to the extent I have known or read about black or latinos who like doing outdoors stuff, it’s usually guys that were raised in rural areas who are into hunting. Karl Malone is one example of a black guy whose favorite pursuits are indistinguishable from your typical white rural redneck. Not incidentally, it seems like Malone is somewhat right wing politically.

    • Replies: @rufus
    @Arclight

    Fishing very popular among southern blacks. Food was not as abundant in the old days. Little smoke houses for the meat of small animals are common. Pointless treks in the mountains are another matter.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @E. Rekshun
    @Arclight

    Karl Malone is one example of a black guy whose favorite pursuits are indistinguishable from your typical white rural redneck.

    Bo Jackson is another. I watched an interesting ESPN 30 for 30 piece on Jackson a while back that showed Jackson love of the outdoors. He makes his own arrows and hunts big game. And came across as introspective and likable.

    Not incidentally, it seems like Malone is somewhat right wing politically.

    Wouldn't at all surprise me if Jackson was the same. Also, former Oklahoma congressman J.C. Watts.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PiltdownMan

  18. Have the folks from the Atlantic been to a park recently?

    Plenty of people of South Asian or East Asian background and at least a few people of unknown sex on the trails of Yosemite the past two summers during my visit.

    Maybe the situation is different at other parks like the Smokies, it was pretty white when I used to go a few decades ago, but then so is East Tennessee and Western North Carolina, though that is changing a bit now.

    On the other hand . . . as a not particularly wealthy tourist from across the country, I can see some of the reason for some of the complaints . . . it is expensive to visit a place like Yosemite, given the cost of travel and lodging. Not to mention the fact that you have to plan your visit like you were invading Iraq . . . just try to find anything in or near the park without reserving a year out.

    Speaking of diversity, I noticed that on some of the back country trails that the rest rooms which appeared to in the past been segregated by sex are now not. Inconvenient for both sexes, men having to stand in slower lines and women having to use toilets after the seats were pissed on by men.

    Also, no dogs allowed . . . probably for good reason. I can image the rangers would have to put up with complaints about dog bits, dogs fighting, lost dogs, dogs falling over cliffs, people stepping in dog shit, etc.

    Rules . . . no strollers allowed. I wonder why that was not mentioned in the article? On some of the flat and paved trails near the parking lot a stroller would be useful to the families (mainly Hispanic) toating infants and toddlers.

    God I hope that don’t change the ranger uniforms . . . a ranger in a hoodie . . . no thanks.

  19. If you control for urban vs rural upbringing, I imagine that would eliminate much or all of the disparity. But there’s no cost to be paid for over-blaming white people for anything perceived as bad, so people will keep doing this.

  20. The fact that camping and outdoor activities are the province of white men says a lot about why it was white men who circled the planet, built our modern world, and then went on to explore the solar system.

    If that is the definition of “superior,” then, by God, we are superior.

    The rest of the f*cking world can see this fact, and that is why they are susceptible to the propaganda and disinformation of political/academic/media operatives who want to make them hate us.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Buzz Mohawk


    outdoor activities are the province of white men
     
    Some of the most compelling stories are of arctic and antarctic exploration, in a time when outdoor clothing was mighty primitive by today's standards; and communication was pretty much word of mouth and monuments on the landscape.

    A historical figure that deserves more recognition is John Frank Stevens; who, among other things like getting the Panama canal built where the entire country of France could not, essentially camped alone in -40 degree weather to survey a rail route through the Rocky mountains in 1889.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Trevor H.
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Hey hey! No more spanners in the works please? Steve's angling for more of those sweet korean bonus funds this month.

  21. Most blacks live in urban areas and have no desire to do outdoors stuff. My wife’s roommate was shocked when she saw cows that weren’t black and white.

    Anyways, let’s be honest, most whites really don’t want the vibrant experience while camping. It will result in the standard having to adapt to Hispanics littering, blacks being noisy, etc. You can easily go to the person camping next to you and ask them to keep it a little more quiet. Make them a minority and then it ends up on Twitter how the evil white person is harassing a minority.

    This is parallel to getting minorities to visit historic sites. The redone Gettysburg visitor’s center from about 10 years ago spends more time discussing slavery than the actual battle. I haven’t seen any additional blacks showing up. The parks are worried that the new majority-minority country won’t have people who care about the parks. They are right.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Corn
    @CAL2

    “The redone Gettysburg visitor’s center from about 10 years ago spends more time discussing slavery than the actual battle. I haven’t seen any additional blacks showing up. The parks are worried that the new majority-minority country won’t have people who care about the parks. They are right.”

    What do they care? A bunch of dead white men at Gettysburg is all.

    Not to bring out the anti-Semites here but Norman Podhoretz or Irving Kristol supposedly told a friend once “the Civil War means as much to me as the War of the Roses”.

    This is the problem with immigration, whether the immigrants are white, brown, black or yellow. Eventually the past generations are no longer “us”.

    Replies: @anon, @James Forrestal

  22. In my trips to Wisconsin, especially the small towns, I’d be surprised if there was any overt racism expressed towards Asians who dressed well and behaved themselves. Indeed, Sconnies (that’s what they call themselves) are so nice and polite that they let everyone walk all over them.

    They are, as the Derb would say, “doomed”.

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    @Anon7

    Hey “Anon7” I have lived in WI my whole life (40 years) and have never even heard the term Sconnies... ???

    Replies: @Anon7

  23. Hope your business school recommendation worked and that the subject appreciates it. Happened to hear the story of a similar kid whose admission to Harvard undergraduate was similarity championed by an old white guy.
    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/663/transcript

    No good deed goes unpunished.

  24. Statistics show that 95% of Interstate Highway emergency lane social gatherings are diverse. As a white person, I feel unwelcome in the emergency lane. Who is going to fix this?

  25. Hispanics often feel uncomfortable when going to parks.

    They must litter in self-defense.

    • LOL: Kylie
  26. Hmmm, the Mexican cartels seem to like our government forests well enough. Of course, these aren’t the Latinos they want to talk about.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/backcountry-drug-war/521352/

  27. I do a lot of biking and hiking. The only black families I see (which is rare) usually have a white wife/mom.

    The same is true for museums. During my most recent visit to NYC, I spent a day at the Met, other than school groups, the only blacks in the museum were black men with white women.

  28. She complained vociferously that small town white people in Wisconsin were very racist against Asians and looked at them funny when they drove through.

    My wife says this too about visiting the US, although we visited areas like Southern California with relatively many Asians and also visited my mother’s lunch group, which is mostly Indonesian and Malaysian, and visited my parents’ church, where there are several Korean and Japanese immigrants. It’s all in the head, but Steve may have a point about basically not wanting to be there.

  29. A Chinese girlfriend was terrified of the great outdoors and the countryside. For her, it represented danger, the unknown. But for whites it represents freedom and a crimerate far lower than the inner city.

  30. Golfing is a trait of an alpha male? Seeing all those pink and tropical fruit-colored shirts on the links makes me think otherwise. I’ll have to consult Vox Day on this.

    • Replies: @Jasper Been
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Golfers are so alpha they can flaunt pastel & feminine colored clothing and no one will bat an eye, or dare question their sexuality. This proves they are alpha.

  31. It’s not even true that Hispanics don’t go to National Parks or like the outdoors. I try to visit 2 National Parks a year and I see plenty of Hispanics, even working class looking ones. Working class whites go hunting and camping but don’t really visit the nicer National Parks out West.

    Also lots of Asians at National Parks too, mostly foreign ones though.

  32. @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle
    South Koreans hike a lot, far more than Americans do. And they are always fully equipped. Koreans hike in the mountains near Seoul with better gear than americans use on Whitney.

    Replies: @rufus, @YetAnotherAnon

    They tend to follow trendy western habits, golf etc. Changing recently with their own pop culture, fashion labels. Korea still not a developed country outside of Seoul. Remove the American presence its vassalised instantly despite the nationalist rhetoric.

  33. @Arclight
    Seems that to the extent I have known or read about black or latinos who like doing outdoors stuff, it's usually guys that were raised in rural areas who are into hunting. Karl Malone is one example of a black guy whose favorite pursuits are indistinguishable from your typical white rural redneck. Not incidentally, it seems like Malone is somewhat right wing politically.

    Replies: @rufus, @E. Rekshun

    Fishing very popular among southern blacks. Food was not as abundant in the old days. Little smoke houses for the meat of small animals are common. Pointless treks in the mountains are another matter.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @rufus

    Blacks will hunt, fish and farm but only for subsistence. They have no interest in it as a hobby.

    Occasionally they take it up if they are upper class but usually to fit in with the white elite crowd.

    OTOH, black golfers are sometimes completely serious and love it for what it is, but they are not all that common anymore. Steve already and AFAIK correctly covered that.

    Replies: @black sea

  34. She complained vociferously that small town white people in Wisconsin were very racist against Asians and looked at them funny when they drove through.

    LOL! That small town Wisconsin “racism” was all in her head.

    It’s no different when a white couple receives looks of curiosity around rural parts of South Korea or visits Tongyeong.

  35. When white progressives state that the “outdoors” lack diversity it seems what they really mean is that the activities they enjoy such as hiking, canoeing and camping lack diversity. They don’t complain of lack of diversity with regards to outdoor activities that Bad Whites enjoy such as hunting or ice fishing.

    Is this a case of white progressives engaging in Steve’s theory of “Be Like Me syndrome”?

    For instance white progressives will complain of lack of diversity in ballet, but not Nascar. The thinking goes like this. The lack of diversity of ballet is bad because we think ballet is good. The lack of diversity in Nascar isn’t bad, because we think Nascar is dumb. Minorities would be better off if they liked the things we like and didn’t like the things Bad whites like, such as pro wrestling or the NFL. In other words, minorities should “Be Like Me”.

    This reveals a hypocritical discomfort with Diversity. White progressives are uncomfortable with minorities having their own preferences and activities. It reflects a desire for homogeneity.

    • Replies: @Cato
    @eded

    Spot on. And policies advocated by white progressives, such as pre-K education, have as a goal to turn little black children into little clones of white progressive children.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative

    , @duncsbaby
    @eded

    They don’t complain of lack of diversity with regards to outdoor activities that Bad Whites enjoy such as hunting or ice fishing.
    For instance white progressives will complain of lack of diversity in ballet, but not Nascar. The thinking goes like this. The lack of diversity of ballet is bad because we think ballet is good. The lack of diversity in Nascar isn’t bad, because we think Nascar is dumb
    .


    Unfortunately the war on white culture is on all white culture.

    https://medium.com/@GOK8/lack-of-diversity-will-be-the-reason-nascar-lives-or-dies-e47f38b48b62

    https://gearjunkie.com/mec-ceo-david-labistour-diversity-outdoor-industry

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @dfordoom
    @eded


    This reveals a hypocritical discomfort with Diversity. White progressives are uncomfortable with minorities having their own preferences and activities. It reflects a desire for homogeneity.
     
    Which makes sense since the ultimate objective of Diversity is to remove all diversity. One planet, one race, one religion (liberalism), one culture. Every human being on the planet holding the same views on every subject, listening to the same music, watching the same movies.
  36. I see a lot of orientals hiking, I have never seen a black family , i have see mulatto looking younger blacks in groups of young people, I assume they were raised SWPL.

  37. I was just looking at some of the recommendations:
    “SEEK PROPERTY GRANTS and SECURE DONATIONS FROM NONPROFITS for STORYTELLING-DRIVEN MEMORIALS”

    In other words we’re going to subject to SJW lectures in the middle of serene nature hikes. This reminds of the holocaust memorial on the freedom trail – stop the romp through colonial history and take a moment to feel guilty about the holocaust.


    UPDATE PARK RANGERS’ UNIFORMS WITH a MODERN, WELCOMING LOOK”

    Gawd help us.

    BE FLEXIBLE WITH RULES to MAKE VISITORS FEEL COMFORTABLE

    translation – expect more litter, booze and loud radio playing, and when you tell a park ranger he – sorry – they will lecture you for being racist.

    I stopped reading after that – looks like every rec. is way to divert money from actually preserving the parks and into the hands of progressive activists.

  38. @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle
    South Koreans hike a lot, far more than Americans do. And they are always fully equipped. Koreans hike in the mountains near Seoul with better gear than americans use on Whitney.

    Replies: @rufus, @YetAnotherAnon

    I met a tiny Korean woman (from Vancouver, but no Canuck accent) walking the Coast to Coast path in England by herself (and limping badly after four consecutive days up and down Lake District hills – she needed a day off and a few blister plasters).

    UK agencies like the Countryside Commission bemoan the absence of black people in the great outdoors. There are more Asians (Indians/Pakistanis) walking these days, but they tend to do the well-known stuff like Snowdon.

    Were it ever to change, I’m not sure so many ladies would be comfortable walking the hills solo.

    (The white people who walk are a self-selected subset of whites, too, otherwise it still wouldn’t be safe. Sometimes I bump into a solo female on some remote hillside and we’re probably several miles from the next human being.)

    PS – am I the only one getting a “you can only post one comment an hour” message?

    • Replies: @RVBlake
    @YetAnotherAnon

    No, I got one yesterday.

  39. @Buzz Mohawk
    The fact that camping and outdoor activities are the province of white men says a lot about why it was white men who circled the planet, built our modern world, and then went on to explore the solar system.

    If that is the definition of "superior," then, by God, we are superior.

    The rest of the f*cking world can see this fact, and that is why they are susceptible to the propaganda and disinformation of political/academic/media operatives who want to make them hate us.

    Replies: @bomag, @Trevor H.

    outdoor activities are the province of white men

    Some of the most compelling stories are of arctic and antarctic exploration, in a time when outdoor clothing was mighty primitive by today’s standards; and communication was pretty much word of mouth and monuments on the landscape.

    A historical figure that deserves more recognition is John Frank Stevens; who, among other things like getting the Panama canal built where the entire country of France could not, essentially camped alone in -40 degree weather to survey a rail route through the Rocky mountains in 1889.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @bomag

    One of my favorites is Shackleton.

  40. Camping is a lot of work, what with the acquiring of equipment, the critters and the things that bite and sting, the camp set up and tear down, and the preparation of every meal. You have to love it to spend your free time doing it.

    I suspect minorities don’t want to deal with the hassle of camping (especially our black friends).

    BTW, Stuff White People Like (SWPL – google it) has a hilarious entry that advises minorities on how to approach camping with white people. Check it out – it’s gold.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @F. Galton

    "Look it up." "Research it." But please, not "google it.." No free advertising for these globalists who would fire or keep silent all cons/trads (if they're not put into gulags). Let's not give 'em more power. Appreciated.

  41. Wicked Corpophile America ain’t gonna have a rest until they make Big Black Tent worshipers to learn to enjoy camping as much as Moroccans do.

    Too early?

    No, it’s too late.

  42. Anonymous [AKA "MCHammer"] says:

    In the Denver metro area Hispanic families are drastically overrepresented in the city and state parks in and around the metro area. It is entirely routine for every single picnic pavilion in a state or city park to be occupied by Hispanic families having cookouts and picnics. I rarely see white families using these facilities, even in parks in lilly-white suburban areas. For some reason whites just don’t do the family picnic thing anymore.

    I spend a fair amount of time mountain biking and, by contrast, I rarely see minorities out on the trails in the more remote open spaces and parks. Every now and again I’ll see a minority family on a short hike near a picnic area, but the farther you get from the trailhead the whiter it gets.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @Anonymous


    It is entirely routine for every single picnic pavilion in a state or city park to be occupied by Hispanic families having cookouts and picnics. I rarely see white families using these facilities, even in parks in lilly-white suburban areas. For some reason whites just don’t do the family picnic thing anymore.
     
    this is economic

    Hispanics live in small crowded apartments or small homes with big families. They don't have nice big yards etc. Whites have bigger houses and yards and smaller families, so whites can enjoy the convenience and exclusivity of gathering at a private home. You won't find rich white hispanics in public parks.
  43. I hike plenty and it looks to me that Asians are overrepresented (more than 5.6% of visitors) in nat parks and other outdoorsy places. Maybe they are technically underrepresented in the us in totality because so many parks are in the middle of rural white america, and it takes a plane ride for coastal Asians to even get to them while local whites can just drive there on a weekend.

    Blacks are genuinely underrepresented at parks. I guess peaceful and somewhat solitary enjoyment doesn’t appeal to them.

    Obviously solo females will be underrepresented in a park compared to solo males. They surely harbor innate fears of being attacked by animals and also attacked or bothered by pathological men while walking alone in the woods.

  44. George Melendez Wright, a Salvadoran-American biologist, for instance, was the first person to conduct a comprehensive study of fauna in national parks.

    Lol. Google Image Search . . .

    Meanwhile, the Buffalo Soldiers, African-American members of the U.S. Calvary, patrolled Yosemite National Park at the turn of the last century, becoming among its first generation of park rangers.

    That’s not a very, uh, intersectional history there . . .

    A 2012 study titled “Why Do So Few Minority People Visit National Parks?” found that Asian Americans, African Americans, and Hispanics often feel uncomfortable when going to parks.

    It’s absurd to put Asians in that list. They constitute ~4% of NP visitors, commensurate with their numbers in the general populace. Broken down by park, I imagine the major parks have far, far more Asian visitors, as anyone who has been to Yosemite or Yellowstone can verify.

    According to the most recent National Parks Service survey, about 78 percent of those who visit federal parks are white.

    America is about 70% white, so that’s not a huge disparity, even by disparate impact standards. Where’s the conflict here? (Oh yeah, the conflict is that good whites always need a reason to berate bad whites . . .)

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Seth Largo

    “Meanwhile, the Buffalo Soldiers, African-American members of the U.S. Calvary, patrolled Yosemite National Park at the turn of the last century, becoming among its first generation of park rangers.”

    :O

    The Buffalo Soldiers patrolled not only our southern border but a national park?

    The Left will be giving them the damnatio memoriae treatment before long.

    , @Joe Schmoe
    @Seth Largo




    According to the most recent National Parks Service survey, about 78 percent of those who visit federal parks are white.
     
    How many of those whites are not American citizens?

    Europeans love visiting USA national parks.
  45. Transit agencies could offer discounted fares; car-rental companies could offer special weekend or summer discounts; and parks could seek corporate underwriters to help subsidize free or discounted ride-shares or charter buses, among other possibilities.

    Let’s get more cars on the roads and into the national parks!! Keep that fracking going!!

    So why not launch a music festival near the red cliffs of Zion National Park in Utah?

    Why is every call for “diversity” accompanied by a call for more consumerism?

  46. Ha. I live in Baltimore. Everyone knows black people don’t go camping. The woods have lots of white people with guns.

    • LOL: Corn
  47. If you felt an inclination to attack isolated members of other tribes, especially on the safer ground of your own territory, wouldn’t you assume whites feel the same way? Why take chances?

  48. https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2009/08/14/128-camping/

    Of course, Herr Lander is being disingenuous with

    “the instances of my people encountering white people in the woods have not worked out very well for us.”

    since the group that whites mainly encountered in the woods, Indians, gave as good as they got in violent encounters, it’s just that there were a lot more white people. Even today, Indians still live very rurally and enjoy the same rural activities as Anglo rednecks.

    • Replies: @rufus
    @Almost Missouri

    Incorrect. Injuns largely plains people. Nomadic hunters following the herd without permanent settlements. Woods folk conducive to log cabining from American folklore.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

  49. @Harry Baldwin
    I hike a lot in the state forest near where I live. As strange as it may sound, the only black man I've encountered on the trails, and I've seen him twice, is a cross-dresser or transgender. One time he was wearing electric blue hot pants and a matching crop top, the other something that looked like bicycle shorts made of silver lamé and a purple tank top. It reinforces my observation that gay black men violate all black male stereotypes. I can't help it if no one will believe this.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @anon, @kibernetika, @black sea

    Tiny Duck?

  50. The problem with serious backpacking for the black folk is the food. If you are going to do that kind of exercise, like hiking up in the backcountry for a few days, you want to carry some good, calorie-laden food. The problem is, no one has yet found a good way to dehydrate fried chicken and watermelon.

  51. The irony is that there are white nationalist types that complain about there being too many non-whites in parks and on camping trips.

  52. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    Visiting back home in Arkansas a few years ago I was hiking on farm roads in the Mississippi delta when I came upon a black man standing on the side of the road with a rifle, looking up in the trees. He was, of course, squirrel hunting. He was a pre-modern black, just a country guy. I stopped and we talked hunting for a while and then I went on my way.
    Blacks do enjoy the outdoors if they haven’t been brain-washed by “woke” Yale lesbians.

  53. As a social system, the great outdoors is fragile. With cops and security cameras scarce, your safety in the back country depends on the absence of human predators. The forest itself would go up in smoke if even 1% of visitors were to light fires (at least here in the California summer). Campgrounds can function only if everyone adheres to rules of civility: use the toilets, don’t strip the trees, don’t make noise, don’t raid unattended camp sites. That’s a system that just won’t survive “diversity”.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @International Jew


    As a social system, the great outdoors is fragile.
     
    Good points.
    , @Screwtape
    @International Jew

    Exactly. See any urban city park for example.

    So is REI blame shifting for their oppressively white customer base?

    Anyone that has spent time in an REI knows that it is like visiting Portland or vermont. Even though their catalogues are painfully try-hard diverse.

    I mean certainly a store that sells everything outdoors not selling the requisite gear to the shades of off-white is part of the problem.

    If more vibrants got access to $160 goretex walking pants or $95 dryfit wicking climbing shirts the national parks would be a rainbow of well-equipped outdoorsy real Americans.

    As part-owner of REI myself, I say we lower the prices until the isles are full of urban youths eager to mitigate the discomforts of the wilderness with the comforts of asian sweatshop gear and gadgetry.

    Replies: @Lot

  54. @Almost Missouri
    https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2009/08/14/128-camping/

    Of course, Herr Lander is being disingenuous with

    "the instances of my people encountering white people in the woods have not worked out very well for us.”
     
    since the group that whites mainly encountered in the woods, Indians, gave as good as they got in violent encounters, it's just that there were a lot more white people. Even today, Indians still live very rurally and enjoy the same rural activities as Anglo rednecks.

    Replies: @rufus

    Incorrect. Injuns largely plains people. Nomadic hunters following the herd without permanent settlements. Woods folk conducive to log cabining from American folklore.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @rufus


    Incorrect. Injuns largely plains people. Nomadic hunters following the herd without permanent settlements. Woods folk conducive to log cabining from American folklore.
     
    Not so sure about that. The plains Indians really only became what they were after the Spanish gave them horses. Before that they were not too impressive. You go try following buffalo herds on foot. The Comanches became an incredible tribe after they got horses, before that they were quite underwhelming barely staying alive in small bands in Wyoming. Seasonally covering thousands of miles on foot is a non starter which is why they didn't start doing that till they got horses.

    Anyway, hunting and fishing is hunting and fishing whether you are settled like the Taos or mobile like the Sioux or settled and mobile like rednecks.
  55. istevefan says:

    So basically the camping store, REI, paid for this piece in the Atlantic because they are worried about potential future profits taking a hit if nonwhites, our future majority, don’t partake in the great outdoors. Well at least they were upfront about who sponsored it. And given REI’s politics, I hope they do take the hit.

    • Agree: Rosie
    • Replies: @Anon
    @istevefan

    FWIW, the Atlantic doesn't exactly need the ad income, considering that it is owned by Laurene Jobs (Steve).

    REI and Bass Pro represent an incipient sign of "pillarization" in American society, in the similar way that "Whole Foods" and "Cracker Barrel" represent. Interestingly, I've never been to any of those four.

    Caught in the middle is the Dick's Sporting Goods, which will not be familiar to those in Western states and international readers. They repeatedly cucked on firearm sales, only to start selling firearms in stores with a different name. Their business appears to mostly be female athletic apparel and golf equipment (which has been through a secular decline over the generations, I've also never been golfing despite the golf theme of this blog)

    , @JMcG
    @istevefan

    Yep, it was supposedly REI who told Yeti they would no longer carry their products if they continued to partner with Friends of the NRA

    , @Ibound1
    @istevefan

    The new America won’t be camping, won’t read the NYTimes, won’t watch leftist snarky tv shows, won’t go see Cohen Brothers movies, wont contribute to planned parenthood etc. Trump is the only person who can save them and they hate him. I can’t wait until voodoo religious sacrifices become widespread thanks to our new Americans. PETA should be so pleased.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

  56. The last time I was at Yosemite every campsite around me was speaking Chinese. Yosemite offers some great Chinese food these days. The same is true in Banff.

    South Asians seem to really like the national parks around Seattle.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @Clifford Brown

    That's the kind of cultural appropriation the woke crowd likes.

    , @International Jew
    @Clifford Brown


    The last time I was at Yosemite every campsite around me was speaking Chinese.
     
    Yosemite is where tourists go, so they're overrepresented. We regulars don't need to wait in traffic and pay admission to see glacial valleys, waterfalls and cliffs. But of course the folks back home will be less impressed by names like Shirley Creek or the Sierra Buttes.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  57. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    So basically the camping store, REI, paid for this piece in the Atlantic because they are worried about potential future profits taking a hit if nonwhites, our future majority, don't partake in the great outdoors. Well at least they were upfront about who sponsored it. And given REI's politics, I hope they do take the hit.

    Replies: @Anon, @JMcG, @Ibound1

    FWIW, the Atlantic doesn’t exactly need the ad income, considering that it is owned by Laurene Jobs (Steve).

    REI and Bass Pro represent an incipient sign of “pillarization” in American society, in the similar way that “Whole Foods” and “Cracker Barrel” represent. Interestingly, I’ve never been to any of those four.

    Caught in the middle is the Dick’s Sporting Goods, which will not be familiar to those in Western states and international readers. They repeatedly cucked on firearm sales, only to start selling firearms in stores with a different name. Their business appears to mostly be female athletic apparel and golf equipment (which has been through a secular decline over the generations, I’ve also never been golfing despite the golf theme of this blog)

  58. @International Jew
    As a social system, the great outdoors is fragile. With cops and security cameras scarce, your safety in the back country depends on the absence of human predators. The forest itself would go up in smoke if even 1% of visitors were to light fires (at least here in the California summer). Campgrounds can function only if everyone adheres to rules of civility: use the toilets, don't strip the trees, don't make noise, don't raid unattended camp sites. That's a system that just won't survive "diversity".

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Screwtape

    As a social system, the great outdoors is fragile.

    Good points.

  59. As recently as the 90s, REI was just an outdoors store, catering mostly to white people, and those white people unreflectively and unapologetically enjoyed the outdoors. I guess teh SJW virus has to infect everything.

    Given that people often pass through a place like an REI store first before venturing out into the wilderness, maybe it is REI itself that is so unwelcoming to those POCs who – despite their own actual preferences – ought to be out hiking, camping, skiing, and mountain climbing. So really it’s REI’s fault.

    • Replies: @Alice in Wonderland
    @Mr. Anon


    Given that people often pass through a place like an REI store first before venturing out into the wilderness, maybe it is REI itself that is so unwelcoming to those POCs who – despite their own actual preferences – ought to be out hiking, camping, skiing, and mountain climbing. So really it’s REI’s fault.
     
    REI is structurally racist against POC would-be campers with their high prices and SWPL locations. The hood is a camping gear desert! REI is to blame! They need to have more of their stores in diverse areas!

    The first part of Festivus is the Airing of Grievances!
  60. @Clifford Brown
    The last time I was at Yosemite every campsite around me was speaking Chinese. Yosemite offers some great Chinese food these days. The same is true in Banff.

    South Asians seem to really like the national parks around Seattle.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @International Jew

    That’s the kind of cultural appropriation the woke crowd likes.

  61. She complained vociferously that small town white people in Wisconsin were very racist against Asians and looked at them funny when they drove through.

    Aside from looking funny at them, which is normal in places that don’t get many Korean sportspersons, what did the locals do that was racist? I experienced more racism in Chi Town, as, I imagine, have many Koreans.

  62. That sponsored clickbait boiled down to “ruin the ecosystems of the parks because people who hate following rules might otherwise get mad at you” and “oh, pave over the trails too, so people can stop and stare at a bunch of monuments to diversijunk and not have to actually, like, hike” and of course “give out free vacation vouchers as another form of welfare, who could possibly object?”

    • Agree: ACommenter
  63. Why WOULD the POC enjoy hiking and camping?

    It’s too quiet and there’s no cell or TV.
    There’s nobody around but there isn’t anything worth stealing.
    It’s often too cold, too wet, too windy, or too hot.
    Wild animals. The other kind of wild animals.
    After dark, and it gets really dark, there’s no party or liquor store (unless you’re hunting or ice fishing).
    If you’re intoxicated there’s a very good chance you’ll get lost and die.
    Coleman doesn’t make a propane-powered microwave.
    You have to plan your food days in advance.
    Many of the white people look like they’re armed.
    Who’s gonna look after these keeyids?

  64. So no surprise that whites in heavy hiking boots love to stomp around on brown dirt and black soil, pausing only to look up at white clouds in a blue sky.

    Even one as unschooled as Rachel Jeantel can understand that metaphor.

    • LOL: TheBoom
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Kylie


    There’s nobody around but there isn’t anything worth stealing.
     
    Stealing wild life, aka poaching, used to be popular with rural blacks, but as long as they only took what they themselves ate the game wardens looked the other way. Blacks with a rusty old twelve gauge single shot got a pass unless they did something really bad. Possum sheriff knew they didn't have a license and didn't usually care.

    That was the other side of Jim Crow.

    Now, we have suburban poaching by illegal aliens. Same deal, they don't get bothered because if the cops jail them, there they sit until they go to trial and finish their 30 days or whatever at taxpayer expense.

    Illegal mestizos have goose poaching to a science: the geese are in places with office buildings with ponds and they don't go south when they are supposed to. Señor Gansoassesino baits them with day old bread and whacks them with a camshaft in the middle of the neck, grabs them and vamooses. Since there is no way under migratory bird law the city can control these nonmigrant migrant geese the cops turn a blind eye.

    There is a great irony: only people not supposed to be here can control a goose also not supposed to be here.
  65. anon[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    I hike a lot in the state forest near where I live. As strange as it may sound, the only black man I've encountered on the trails, and I've seen him twice, is a cross-dresser or transgender. One time he was wearing electric blue hot pants and a matching crop top, the other something that looked like bicycle shorts made of silver lamé and a purple tank top. It reinforces my observation that gay black men violate all black male stereotypes. I can't help it if no one will believe this.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @anon, @kibernetika, @black sea

    I hike a lot in the state forest near where I live. As strange as it may sound, the only black man I’ve encountered on the trails, and I’ve seen him twice, is a cross-dresser or transgender. One time he was wearing electric blue hot pants and a matching crop top, the other something that looked like bicycle shorts made of silver lamé and a purple tank top.

    lol, you should post that over in the comment section of The Atlantic

  66. @Tyrion 2
    Yes, calling other people racist is often little more than an assertion of one having higher social status than them.

    I suspect the tremendous fatness of rural folks in the States functions as a physical cue in the same way as the relative shortness of the lower classes in pre-Victorian England did.

    My game is to shame those doing the asserting as snobs who appreciate all the wrong things in life, hopefully to make them feel like middle class strivers.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “shame … as snobs who appreciate all the wrong things in life … make them feel like middle class strivers.”
    Can you elaborate? This sounds like it could be effective but I’ve become so weary of the virtue signallers that I just avoid them rather than engage.

  67. @Arclight
    Seems that to the extent I have known or read about black or latinos who like doing outdoors stuff, it's usually guys that were raised in rural areas who are into hunting. Karl Malone is one example of a black guy whose favorite pursuits are indistinguishable from your typical white rural redneck. Not incidentally, it seems like Malone is somewhat right wing politically.

    Replies: @rufus, @E. Rekshun

    Karl Malone is one example of a black guy whose favorite pursuits are indistinguishable from your typical white rural redneck.

    Bo Jackson is another. I watched an interesting ESPN 30 for 30 piece on Jackson a while back that showed Jackson love of the outdoors. He makes his own arrows and hunts big game. And came across as introspective and likable.

    Not incidentally, it seems like Malone is somewhat right wing politically.

    Wouldn’t at all surprise me if Jackson was the same. Also, former Oklahoma congressman J.C. Watts.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @E. Rekshun

    I recall reading about some wealthy black athlete who'd bought himself a big farm with lots of horses in rural Ohio. It turns out that this part of Ohio is one of few places in North with lots of black farmers going back many generations. This guy (wish I could remember whom) grew up in farm country and his sports money has made him a very happy farmer with lots of horses and other people to do the really hard labor. It was a nice story.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas

    , @PiltdownMan
    @E. Rekshun

    Jason Brown left the St. Louis Rams and walked away from a very lucrative contract to become a farmer.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/576032842372657152/3UGzCiEq_400x400.jpeg

  68. So what. Blacks don’t go to the beach either.

    • Replies: @South Texas Guy
    @E. Rekshun

    Used to live by Freeport, Tx., south of Houston, and every three day weekend was a nightmare for the cops because thousands of ghetto blacks would invade the dozens of miles of shoreline there, up until recently, relatively free from law enforcement hassle.

  69. REI has a great store in NYC. I’ve bought some cool gear there. But their facebook posts about the latest Mexican or lesbian who did something outdoors are insufferable. I don’t know if this is a great business strategy. The fringes are never going to gravitate to skiing or camping. And the outdoorsy people no doubt prefer it that way.

  70. There is a logical fallacy to the argument minorities don’t like National Parks because they aren’t being reasonably accommodated. They don’t go because there’s nothing at a national park to hold the interest of someone with a crude aesthetic that prefers pulsing rap music, gambling, flashing lights, shaking half-exposed female bodies, and cheap food served out of the side of a truck. Transcendentslists who love nature tend to be college educated whites.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @JimB

    To be fair, doesn't every man appreciate "shaking half-exposed female bodies"? Unless its a hypothermia case.

    Replies: @JimB, @ben tillman

  71. @International Jew
    As a social system, the great outdoors is fragile. With cops and security cameras scarce, your safety in the back country depends on the absence of human predators. The forest itself would go up in smoke if even 1% of visitors were to light fires (at least here in the California summer). Campgrounds can function only if everyone adheres to rules of civility: use the toilets, don't strip the trees, don't make noise, don't raid unattended camp sites. That's a system that just won't survive "diversity".

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Screwtape

    Exactly. See any urban city park for example.

    So is REI blame shifting for their oppressively white customer base?

    Anyone that has spent time in an REI knows that it is like visiting Portland or vermont. Even though their catalogues are painfully try-hard diverse.

    I mean certainly a store that sells everything outdoors not selling the requisite gear to the shades of off-white is part of the problem.

    If more vibrants got access to $160 goretex walking pants or $95 dryfit wicking climbing shirts the national parks would be a rainbow of well-equipped outdoorsy real Americans.

    As part-owner of REI myself, I say we lower the prices until the isles are full of urban youths eager to mitigate the discomforts of the wilderness with the comforts of asian sweatshop gear and gadgetry.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Screwtape

    It's Goretex.

    http://jedidiahwillard.com/sites/jedwillard.net/files/uploads/costanza_goretex_seinfeld.jpg

  72. Whether it was racism your colleague’s wife experienced or just the normal suspicions that rural folks have for visitors (presumably before the Hmong hunting killings?) would be difficult to determine. Even friendly white Americans sometimes encounter hostile natives…

  73. “If I don’t see anybody there that looks like me, or is welcoming me in to the point where I would feel comfortable being in the space, I would just rather not be there,”

    My feelings exactly, I just don’t like being around people who aren’t white like me.

  74. @istevefan
    So basically the camping store, REI, paid for this piece in the Atlantic because they are worried about potential future profits taking a hit if nonwhites, our future majority, don't partake in the great outdoors. Well at least they were upfront about who sponsored it. And given REI's politics, I hope they do take the hit.

    Replies: @Anon, @JMcG, @Ibound1

    Yep, it was supposedly REI who told Yeti they would no longer carry their products if they continued to partner with Friends of the NRA

  75. Steve, you seem to have a crush on this korean guy.

  76. Meanwhile, African Americans, Latinos, women, and members of the LGBTQ community often report feeling unwelcome or unsafe in outdoor spaces. …

    Ranger Smith needs to sign up Yogi and Boo Boo for some sensitivity training.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @Reg Cæsar

    Ever notice Whites like us are always described as having fear. We fear immigration because we fear brown people. We fear losing status. We fear strong women. We fear change.

    Yet who demands safe spaces? Who demands others acquiesce to their needs? Who is terrified by a random climate? Who demands others be deplatformed?

  77. @Clifford Brown
    The last time I was at Yosemite every campsite around me was speaking Chinese. Yosemite offers some great Chinese food these days. The same is true in Banff.

    South Asians seem to really like the national parks around Seattle.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @International Jew

    The last time I was at Yosemite every campsite around me was speaking Chinese.

    Yosemite is where tourists go, so they’re overrepresented. We regulars don’t need to wait in traffic and pay admission to see glacial valleys, waterfalls and cliffs. But of course the folks back home will be less impressed by names like Shirley Creek or the Sierra Buttes.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @International Jew

    Yeah, though it was a cliche with the Japanese too, I think the Chinese tourists, especially the women, are just nuts with the cameras. (It helps that pictures are free now!) I mean, they can't go anywhere without getting their pictures taken, lots of times in front of historic landmarks about which they have no earthly idea.

    This way they can prove they've been here and they've been there. I think your friends and family will believe you when you say you've been somewhere, and failing that, there's always Photoshop.

    It's a good thing that they don't really like the outdoors in a way that a lot of Americans do, or they would price people out and be numerous enough to make it miserable. I've been down a river on a two-man rubber boat in China. The people were having fun, no doubt, but it was bumber-to-bumper rubber boats ... ridicerous.

    BTW, great earlier comment, too, IJ!

  78. @istevefan
    So basically the camping store, REI, paid for this piece in the Atlantic because they are worried about potential future profits taking a hit if nonwhites, our future majority, don't partake in the great outdoors. Well at least they were upfront about who sponsored it. And given REI's politics, I hope they do take the hit.

    Replies: @Anon, @JMcG, @Ibound1

    The new America won’t be camping, won’t read the NYTimes, won’t watch leftist snarky tv shows, won’t go see Cohen Brothers movies, wont contribute to planned parenthood etc. Trump is the only person who can save them and they hate him. I can’t wait until voodoo religious sacrifices become widespread thanks to our new Americans. PETA should be so pleased.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Ibound1

    That's what I tell people too: Trump is your last, best shot at American civic nationalism.

    Because after Trump, it will be identity politics all the way down.

  79. Lots of Africans camping out in Africa though.

  80. If she was beautiful of course she didn’t like it when men looked at her. But beauty attracts looks and stares. It’s annoying and irritating.

  81. @Buzz Mohawk
    The fact that camping and outdoor activities are the province of white men says a lot about why it was white men who circled the planet, built our modern world, and then went on to explore the solar system.

    If that is the definition of "superior," then, by God, we are superior.

    The rest of the f*cking world can see this fact, and that is why they are susceptible to the propaganda and disinformation of political/academic/media operatives who want to make them hate us.

    Replies: @bomag, @Trevor H.

    Hey hey! No more spanners in the works please? Steve’s angling for more of those sweet korean bonus funds this month.

  82. Los Angeles Hispanics go camping and on day trips in the near by state parks in the mountains all the time. They like to get out of the city and into the mountains. They have that in common with Whites.

    Northern blacks seem to like cities. To each his own

    The park services are pushing outreach to non Whites because they fear their budgets will be cut and parks closed when America becomes 70% non White.

    I’m sure the Chinese have their eyes on logging our forests draining the Everglades and other protected swamps to find oil and grow sugar and other crops.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Alden

    I thought the lack of blacks being interested in the outdoors and overnight outdoors (camping) is that it is too much like the Underground Railroad?

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Alden


    I’m sure the Chinese have their eyes on logging our forests draining the Everglades and other protected swamps to find oil and grow sugar and other crops.
     
    Yep, an acre of forest can make a lot of chopsticks. Seriously though, 1 to 2 trillion dollars can come back here and buy out a bunch of the country. See, there's a lot of ruin in a nation.* The US Feral Gov't is selling out the country by creating currency for us to buy cheap Chinese goods. END! THE! FED!


    * (Part 1 and Part 2)
  83. istevefan says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Meanwhile, African Americans, Latinos, women, and members of the LGBTQ community often report feeling unwelcome or unsafe in outdoor spaces. …

     

    Ranger Smith needs to sign up Yogi and Boo Boo for some sensitivity training.


    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hfirdv34n7A/TSKygimnVZI/AAAAAAAAHbs/yznoyvmdoiw/s1600/PAPA%2BYOGI.png

    Replies: @istevefan

    Ever notice Whites like us are always described as having fear. We fear immigration because we fear brown people. We fear losing status. We fear strong women. We fear change.

    Yet who demands safe spaces? Who demands others acquiesce to their needs? Who is terrified by a random climate? Who demands others be deplatformed?

  84. @E. Rekshun
    @Arclight

    Karl Malone is one example of a black guy whose favorite pursuits are indistinguishable from your typical white rural redneck.

    Bo Jackson is another. I watched an interesting ESPN 30 for 30 piece on Jackson a while back that showed Jackson love of the outdoors. He makes his own arrows and hunts big game. And came across as introspective and likable.

    Not incidentally, it seems like Malone is somewhat right wing politically.

    Wouldn't at all surprise me if Jackson was the same. Also, former Oklahoma congressman J.C. Watts.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PiltdownMan

    I recall reading about some wealthy black athlete who’d bought himself a big farm with lots of horses in rural Ohio. It turns out that this part of Ohio is one of few places in North with lots of black farmers going back many generations. This guy (wish I could remember whom) grew up in farm country and his sports money has made him a very happy farmer with lots of horses and other people to do the really hard labor. It was a nice story.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @Steve Sailer

    Maybe it was retired NFL LB Trent Cole? He's from Ohio and at one time had a hunting show that used to run on cable.

    http://www.whitetailrendezvous.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/74989a_6279cca2c74f463288c240a03d7705c3mv2_d_2048_1366_s_2-300x200.jpeg

  85. @Alden
    Los Angeles Hispanics go camping and on day trips in the near by state parks in the mountains all the time. They like to get out of the city and into the mountains. They have that in common with Whites.

    Northern blacks seem to like cities. To each his own

    The park services are pushing outreach to non Whites because they fear their budgets will be cut and parks closed when America becomes 70% non White.

    I’m sure the Chinese have their eyes on logging our forests draining the Everglades and other protected swamps to find oil and grow sugar and other crops.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Achmed E. Newman

    I thought the lack of blacks being interested in the outdoors and overnight outdoors (camping) is that it is too much like the Underground Railroad?

  86. @International Jew
    @Clifford Brown


    The last time I was at Yosemite every campsite around me was speaking Chinese.
     
    Yosemite is where tourists go, so they're overrepresented. We regulars don't need to wait in traffic and pay admission to see glacial valleys, waterfalls and cliffs. But of course the folks back home will be less impressed by names like Shirley Creek or the Sierra Buttes.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, though it was a cliche with the Japanese too, I think the Chinese tourists, especially the women, are just nuts with the cameras. (It helps that pictures are free now!) I mean, they can’t go anywhere without getting their pictures taken, lots of times in front of historic landmarks about which they have no earthly idea.

    This way they can prove they’ve been here and they’ve been there. I think your friends and family will believe you when you say you’ve been somewhere, and failing that, there’s always Photoshop.

    It’s a good thing that they don’t really like the outdoors in a way that a lot of Americans do, or they would price people out and be numerous enough to make it miserable. I’ve been down a river on a two-man rubber boat in China. The people were having fun, no doubt, but it was bumber-to-bumper rubber boats … ridicerous.

    BTW, great earlier comment, too, IJ!

  87. @Alden
    Los Angeles Hispanics go camping and on day trips in the near by state parks in the mountains all the time. They like to get out of the city and into the mountains. They have that in common with Whites.

    Northern blacks seem to like cities. To each his own

    The park services are pushing outreach to non Whites because they fear their budgets will be cut and parks closed when America becomes 70% non White.

    I’m sure the Chinese have their eyes on logging our forests draining the Everglades and other protected swamps to find oil and grow sugar and other crops.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m sure the Chinese have their eyes on logging our forests draining the Everglades and other protected swamps to find oil and grow sugar and other crops.

    Yep, an acre of forest can make a lot of chopsticks. Seriously though, 1 to 2 trillion dollars can come back here and buy out a bunch of the country. See, there’s a lot of ruin in a nation.* The US Feral Gov’t is selling out the country by creating currency for us to buy cheap Chinese goods. END! THE! FED!

    * (Part 1 and Part 2)

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  88. Did the film Deliverance cause a discernible fall in certain types of camping? To frighten the big city types, no need to play a banjo any more, just wearing a MAGA hat should do it.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Henry's Cat

    Deliverance led to an upsurge in enthusiasm for whitewater rafting and kayaking in the area where it was filmed. I remember there was a spate of inexperienced people who tried to do something similar in small rafts or canoes, and I think some of those people died.

  89. I have not noticed any shortage of elderly Asians fishing on the pier near where I live in southern California.

    They seem to have amazing patience even when the fish are not biting. They nevertheless stick around.

  90. People from low trust societies regard everyone outside their inner circle of family/friends as potential criminals. The wilderness frightens them.

  91. @eded
    When white progressives state that the "outdoors" lack diversity it seems what they really mean is that the activities they enjoy such as hiking, canoeing and camping lack diversity. They don't complain of lack of diversity with regards to outdoor activities that Bad Whites enjoy such as hunting or ice fishing.

    Is this a case of white progressives engaging in Steve's theory of "Be Like Me syndrome"?

    For instance white progressives will complain of lack of diversity in ballet, but not Nascar. The thinking goes like this. The lack of diversity of ballet is bad because we think ballet is good. The lack of diversity in Nascar isn't bad, because we think Nascar is dumb. Minorities would be better off if they liked the things we like and didn't like the things Bad whites like, such as pro wrestling or the NFL. In other words, minorities should "Be Like Me".

    This reveals a hypocritical discomfort with Diversity. White progressives are uncomfortable with minorities having their own preferences and activities. It reflects a desire for homogeneity.

    Replies: @Cato, @duncsbaby, @dfordoom

    Spot on. And policies advocated by white progressives, such as pre-K education, have as a goal to turn little black children into little clones of white progressive children.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    @Cato

    No, pre-k is about getting white women to do daycare work by forcing it to cost so much that they can get a salary premium for the BA they all have. Then we'll be Sweden, where women mostly get paid to babysit each others' babies and the SAHM is a rare weird thing a few rich people have.

  92. @BostonB
    Lesbians seem to be targets.

    Anti-gay bias leads to deadly shooting on Appalachian Trail in 1988

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/anti-gay-bias-leads-deadly-1988-shooting-appalachian-trail-article-1.3934736


    TWO WOMEN HIKERS SLAIN IN SHENANDOAH PARK

    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1996-06-05-9606040528-story.html


    Md. Man Charged With Hate Murders
    BY DAN COLLINS
    UPDATED ON: APRIL 10, 2002
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/md-man-charged-with-hate-murders/

    A Maryland man who said he hated lesbians and enjoyed assaulting vulnerable women has been charged with the 1996 murder of two female hikers in Virginia's Shenandoah National Park, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Wednesday.
     

    Replies: @CCZ

    But nature and walking trails close to the city can be a good place for a black person to kill whites, as in this 2017 example.

    “The [first four homicide] victims were white males from 54 to 66 years old; one death was on the Blue River Trail and three were along the Indian Creek Trail in south Kansas City, and three of the four were walking their dogs.”

    “The 22-year-old man suspected of shooting five middle-aged white men since last year — including four on south Kansas City walking trails — threatened in 2014 to shoot up a school and “kill all white people,” according to court records.”

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article170340652.html

    • Replies: @sj
    @CCZ

    Bet it wasn't considered a hate crime

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @CCZ

    This extraordinary murder spree got no mention in the New York Times. A lifeguard at a neighborhood pool asking a black woman for ID was front page news, though.

    , @E. Rekshun
    @CCZ

    But nature and walking trails close to the city can be a good place for a black person to kill whites

    Chandra Levy was murdered while jogging in Rock Creek Park, DC by an illegal Honduran immigrant. And I remember hearing of a couple other White females murdered in Rock Creek by black males.

  93. @Cato
    @eded

    Spot on. And policies advocated by white progressives, such as pre-K education, have as a goal to turn little black children into little clones of white progressive children.

    Replies: @The Practical Conservative

    No, pre-k is about getting white women to do daycare work by forcing it to cost so much that they can get a salary premium for the BA they all have. Then we’ll be Sweden, where women mostly get paid to babysit each others’ babies and the SAHM is a rare weird thing a few rich people have.

  94. @Steve Sailer
    @E. Rekshun

    I recall reading about some wealthy black athlete who'd bought himself a big farm with lots of horses in rural Ohio. It turns out that this part of Ohio is one of few places in North with lots of black farmers going back many generations. This guy (wish I could remember whom) grew up in farm country and his sports money has made him a very happy farmer with lots of horses and other people to do the really hard labor. It was a nice story.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas

    Maybe it was retired NFL LB Trent Cole? He’s from Ohio and at one time had a hunting show that used to run on cable.

  95. All snark aside, if some do-gooder wanted to put money somewhere, an outfit that focused on actually getting “ghetto class” blacks to love nature might do real good, so long as it eschewed any sort of politics. I don’t think this is crazy, since it seems most blacks are more recently descended from people more attuned to the natural world than are most whites. Elite white “nature lovers” are on some level reacting against the horrific structure of the modern bureaucratic society… which was created by white people.

    • Replies: @Spangel
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    I am fine with this proposal as long as this do gooder sends them to places I am not interested in going.

    Did anyone else throw up in their mouth a little while reading the Atlantic’s proposals?

    It’s really nice to get away to a clean and safe environment while experiencing the awe of nature. The last thing I want is for that to be spoiled with noisy crowds, litter and the possibility of getting mugged. The only good thing I can say about a charter bus that would take inner city denizens to parks is that those parks would likely be an hour or two from the city while the more majestic ones would be harder to access through this proposal.

  96. @E. Rekshun
    @Arclight

    Karl Malone is one example of a black guy whose favorite pursuits are indistinguishable from your typical white rural redneck.

    Bo Jackson is another. I watched an interesting ESPN 30 for 30 piece on Jackson a while back that showed Jackson love of the outdoors. He makes his own arrows and hunts big game. And came across as introspective and likable.

    Not incidentally, it seems like Malone is somewhat right wing politically.

    Wouldn't at all surprise me if Jackson was the same. Also, former Oklahoma congressman J.C. Watts.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PiltdownMan

    Jason Brown left the St. Louis Rams and walked away from a very lucrative contract to become a farmer.

  97. @bomag
    @Buzz Mohawk


    outdoor activities are the province of white men
     
    Some of the most compelling stories are of arctic and antarctic exploration, in a time when outdoor clothing was mighty primitive by today's standards; and communication was pretty much word of mouth and monuments on the landscape.

    A historical figure that deserves more recognition is John Frank Stevens; who, among other things like getting the Panama canal built where the entire country of France could not, essentially camped alone in -40 degree weather to survey a rail route through the Rocky mountains in 1889.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    One of my favorites is Shackleton.

  98. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @rufus
    @Arclight

    Fishing very popular among southern blacks. Food was not as abundant in the old days. Little smoke houses for the meat of small animals are common. Pointless treks in the mountains are another matter.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Blacks will hunt, fish and farm but only for subsistence. They have no interest in it as a hobby.

    Occasionally they take it up if they are upper class but usually to fit in with the white elite crowd.

    OTOH, black golfers are sometimes completely serious and love it for what it is, but they are not all that common anymore. Steve already and AFAIK correctly covered that.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Anonymous


    Blacks will hunt, fish and farm but only for subsistence. They have no interest in it as a hobby.
     
    As a kid in the 1970s, I spent a lot of time on the Georgia coast. I saw not just Blacks, but more or less the same group of Blacks, fishing together every day at the pier. Fishing allows a lot of room for joking around and conversation -- which Blacks tend to enjoy --while casting the line and slowly reeling it in. And it's punctuated by moments of marginal excitement.

    Admittedly, the 1970s were a long time ago, but at that time you would see Blacks, as well as Whites, throughout Georgia fishing on bridges and in roadside ponds and creeks. I'd be surprised if all of this had died out.
  99. @SporadicMyrmidon
    All snark aside, if some do-gooder wanted to put money somewhere, an outfit that focused on actually getting "ghetto class" blacks to love nature might do real good, so long as it eschewed any sort of politics. I don't think this is crazy, since it seems most blacks are more recently descended from people more attuned to the natural world than are most whites. Elite white "nature lovers" are on some level reacting against the horrific structure of the modern bureaucratic society... which was created by white people.

    Replies: @Spangel

    I am fine with this proposal as long as this do gooder sends them to places I am not interested in going.

    Did anyone else throw up in their mouth a little while reading the Atlantic’s proposals?

    It’s really nice to get away to a clean and safe environment while experiencing the awe of nature. The last thing I want is for that to be spoiled with noisy crowds, litter and the possibility of getting mugged. The only good thing I can say about a charter bus that would take inner city denizens to parks is that those parks would likely be an hour or two from the city while the more majestic ones would be harder to access through this proposal.

  100. @CCZ
    @BostonB

    But nature and walking trails close to the city can be a good place for a black person to kill whites, as in this 2017 example.

    “The [first four homicide] victims were white males from 54 to 66 years old; one death was on the Blue River Trail and three were along the Indian Creek Trail in south Kansas City, and three of the four were walking their dogs.”

    “The 22-year-old man suspected of shooting five middle-aged white men since last year — including four on south Kansas City walking trails — threatened in 2014 to shoot up a school and “kill all white people,” according to court records.”

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article170340652.html

    Replies: @sj, @Harry Baldwin, @E. Rekshun

    Bet it wasn’t considered a hate crime

  101. Anon[175] • Disclaimer says:

    The Japanese took big-time to hiking, backbacking, and mountaineering (and more recently, competitive bouldering and rock climbing). The first woman who was dragged by a Sherpa up, uh, who summited Mount Everest was Japanese.

    I attribute the Japanese moutain mania to the 1956 first ascent of Manaslu, the only 8,000-meter mountain with a first ascent by a Japanese team, promoted incessantly at the time by a major newspaper that sponsored them. People who were high school or college age at that time were disproportionately represented on the trails, a definite baby-boomesque group with a real lack of people from the following generation, but the generation after that things stabilized and it has been a popular sport ever since, especially and oddly among retirees, who tend to be in good shape, unlike American retirees, who tend to have lost their feet to diabetes.

    As you might expect in Japan, there are moutain lodges everywhere, and you don’t need a tent or sleeping bag or a stove or food to go most anywhere (remote areas of Hokkaido excepted).

    A unique subset of Japanese moutaineering is sawa-nobori, the “ascent” of step moutain rivers to their source, in the actual river, pushing through rapids and up waterfalls. Rock climbing equipment is used, wet suits are sometimes worn, and there are special shoes that have scouring pad-like soles to get a grip on mossy, wet rock.

    Mont-Bell is a Japanese manufacturer and retailer of high-end camping, mountaineering, and outdoor equipment.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    America is really lacking in mountain lodges you can hike to. In Yosemite NP there are 5 alpine lodges that you can backpack to and sleep in beds under blankets, so you only have to backpack about 10 pounds of clothes and snacks. But they are completely sold out. My aunt and uncle tried for about 10 years to win the lottery for reservations but finally gave up when they got too old.

    Replies: @Anon

  102. @Anon
    The Japanese took big-time to hiking, backbacking, and mountaineering (and more recently, competitive bouldering and rock climbing). The first woman who was dragged by a Sherpa up, uh, who summited Mount Everest was Japanese.

    I attribute the Japanese moutain mania to the 1956 first ascent of Manaslu, the only 8,000-meter mountain with a first ascent by a Japanese team, promoted incessantly at the time by a major newspaper that sponsored them. People who were high school or college age at that time were disproportionately represented on the trails, a definite baby-boomesque group with a real lack of people from the following generation, but the generation after that things stabilized and it has been a popular sport ever since, especially and oddly among retirees, who tend to be in good shape, unlike American retirees, who tend to have lost their feet to diabetes.

    As you might expect in Japan, there are moutain lodges everywhere, and you don't need a tent or sleeping bag or a stove or food to go most anywhere (remote areas of Hokkaido excepted).

    A unique subset of Japanese moutaineering is sawa-nobori, the "ascent" of step moutain rivers to their source, in the actual river, pushing through rapids and up waterfalls. Rock climbing equipment is used, wet suits are sometimes worn, and there are special shoes that have scouring pad-like soles to get a grip on mossy, wet rock.

    Mont-Bell is a Japanese manufacturer and retailer of high-end camping, mountaineering, and outdoor equipment.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    America is really lacking in mountain lodges you can hike to. In Yosemite NP there are 5 alpine lodges that you can backpack to and sleep in beds under blankets, so you only have to backpack about 10 pounds of clothes and snacks. But they are completely sold out. My aunt and uncle tried for about 10 years to win the lottery for reservations but finally gave up when they got too old.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Yeah, about 15 years ago we looked into the guided Yosemite hikes. I had read an old mystery novel set on the guided tour from the Valley floor to May Lake. When I saw that they were booked up for the year, I gave up. We ended up staying in the Valley and just hiking up to May Lake from Tioga Road on a day hike. What a beautiful place!

    The mystery was The Affair of the Jade Monkey, an Agatha Christie-type old style mystery by a guy named Clifford Knight, and it probably dated from the 1930s. Knight apparently specialized in National Park mysteries.

    At the end of the day, Yosemite Lodge is the best base of operations. My fond childhood memories of Camp Curry (and the long discontinued, un-PC "firefall" every night) were wiped out when we walked through Camp Curry on the way to Vernal Falls. Screaming kids, crying babies, what a horrible place to stay!

  103. @E. Rekshun
    So what. Blacks don't go to the beach either.

    Replies: @South Texas Guy

    Used to live by Freeport, Tx., south of Houston, and every three day weekend was a nightmare for the cops because thousands of ghetto blacks would invade the dozens of miles of shoreline there, up until recently, relatively free from law enforcement hassle.

  104. @El Dato

    Meanwhile, African Americans, Latinos, women, and members of the LGBTQ community often report feeling unwelcome or unsafe in outdoor spaces. …
     
    But that's their personal little problem, isn't it?

    I feel unsafe around African Americans, Latinos, and members of the LGBTQ community (but not necessarily women, except if they are of the aggressive/hysteric sort)

    Still I don't demand that someone do something about it.

    EVEN AFTER PARKS like Shenandoah were desegregated in the 1960s...
     
    It was decided that Wolves and Bears shall lie together!

    people of color have often not felt welcome at national parks.
     
    Definitely the Bears. They are racist against the cultural appropriation of earth toned skin.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    Definitely the Bears. They are racist against the cultural appropriation of earth toned skin.

    Polar bears are racist. Black bears are not racist.

  105. @Screwtape
    @International Jew

    Exactly. See any urban city park for example.

    So is REI blame shifting for their oppressively white customer base?

    Anyone that has spent time in an REI knows that it is like visiting Portland or vermont. Even though their catalogues are painfully try-hard diverse.

    I mean certainly a store that sells everything outdoors not selling the requisite gear to the shades of off-white is part of the problem.

    If more vibrants got access to $160 goretex walking pants or $95 dryfit wicking climbing shirts the national parks would be a rainbow of well-equipped outdoorsy real Americans.

    As part-owner of REI myself, I say we lower the prices until the isles are full of urban youths eager to mitigate the discomforts of the wilderness with the comforts of asian sweatshop gear and gadgetry.

    Replies: @Lot

    It’s Goretex.

  106. @JimB
    There is a logical fallacy to the argument minorities don’t like National Parks because they aren’t being reasonably accommodated. They don’t go because there’s nothing at a national park to hold the interest of someone with a crude aesthetic that prefers pulsing rap music, gambling, flashing lights, shaking half-exposed female bodies, and cheap food served out of the side of a truck. Transcendentslists who love nature tend to be college educated whites.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    To be fair, doesn’t every man appreciate “shaking half-exposed female bodies”? Unless its a hypothermia case.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @YetAnotherAnon


    To be fair, doesn’t every man appreciate “shaking half-exposed female bodies”?
     
    Not if they are hideous. With the exception of Muslims, there seems to be an inverse correlation between a woman's willingness to expose herself and her physical beauty and fitness.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @ben tillman
    @YetAnotherAnon


    To be fair, doesn’t every man appreciate “shaking half-exposed female bodies”?
     
    And cheap food served out of the side of a truck!
  107. @YetAnotherAnon
    @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle

    I met a tiny Korean woman (from Vancouver, but no Canuck accent) walking the Coast to Coast path in England by herself (and limping badly after four consecutive days up and down Lake District hills - she needed a day off and a few blister plasters).

    UK agencies like the Countryside Commission bemoan the absence of black people in the great outdoors. There are more Asians (Indians/Pakistanis) walking these days, but they tend to do the well-known stuff like Snowdon.

    Were it ever to change, I'm not sure so many ladies would be comfortable walking the hills solo.

    (The white people who walk are a self-selected subset of whites, too, otherwise it still wouldn't be safe. Sometimes I bump into a solo female on some remote hillside and we're probably several miles from the next human being.)

    PS - am I the only one getting a "you can only post one comment an hour" message?

    Replies: @RVBlake

    No, I got one yesterday.

  108. @eded
    When white progressives state that the "outdoors" lack diversity it seems what they really mean is that the activities they enjoy such as hiking, canoeing and camping lack diversity. They don't complain of lack of diversity with regards to outdoor activities that Bad Whites enjoy such as hunting or ice fishing.

    Is this a case of white progressives engaging in Steve's theory of "Be Like Me syndrome"?

    For instance white progressives will complain of lack of diversity in ballet, but not Nascar. The thinking goes like this. The lack of diversity of ballet is bad because we think ballet is good. The lack of diversity in Nascar isn't bad, because we think Nascar is dumb. Minorities would be better off if they liked the things we like and didn't like the things Bad whites like, such as pro wrestling or the NFL. In other words, minorities should "Be Like Me".

    This reveals a hypocritical discomfort with Diversity. White progressives are uncomfortable with minorities having their own preferences and activities. It reflects a desire for homogeneity.

    Replies: @Cato, @duncsbaby, @dfordoom

    They don’t complain of lack of diversity with regards to outdoor activities that Bad Whites enjoy such as hunting or ice fishing.
    For instance white progressives will complain of lack of diversity in ballet, but not Nascar. The thinking goes like this. The lack of diversity of ballet is bad because we think ballet is good. The lack of diversity in Nascar isn’t bad, because we think Nascar is dumb
    .

    Unfortunately the war on white culture is on all white culture.

    https://medium.com/@GOK8/lack-of-diversity-will-be-the-reason-nascar-lives-or-dies-e47f38b48b62

    https://gearjunkie.com/mec-ceo-david-labistour-diversity-outdoor-industry

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @duncsbaby

    In reality NASCAR , is kind of dumb.

    That anyone would make any buying decision whatever based on NASCAR ads or buy a car based on how the NASCAR version does on the track, because there isn't a single nut or bolt in these things that is stock, is not a sign of intelligence on the planet.

    And the cars are so well matched the racing is boring.


    In contrast, look at Indy 500 racing in the 1950-1970 era or road racing until the late sixties. No telling what all you were going to see in those days.

  109. Anon[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    America is really lacking in mountain lodges you can hike to. In Yosemite NP there are 5 alpine lodges that you can backpack to and sleep in beds under blankets, so you only have to backpack about 10 pounds of clothes and snacks. But they are completely sold out. My aunt and uncle tried for about 10 years to win the lottery for reservations but finally gave up when they got too old.

    Replies: @Anon

    Yeah, about 15 years ago we looked into the guided Yosemite hikes. I had read an old mystery novel set on the guided tour from the Valley floor to May Lake. When I saw that they were booked up for the year, I gave up. We ended up staying in the Valley and just hiking up to May Lake from Tioga Road on a day hike. What a beautiful place!

    The mystery was The Affair of the Jade Monkey, an Agatha Christie-type old style mystery by a guy named Clifford Knight, and it probably dated from the 1930s. Knight apparently specialized in National Park mysteries.

    At the end of the day, Yosemite Lodge is the best base of operations. My fond childhood memories of Camp Curry (and the long discontinued, un-PC “firefall” every night) were wiped out when we walked through Camp Curry on the way to Vernal Falls. Screaming kids, crying babies, what a horrible place to stay!

  110. @CCZ
    @BostonB

    But nature and walking trails close to the city can be a good place for a black person to kill whites, as in this 2017 example.

    “The [first four homicide] victims were white males from 54 to 66 years old; one death was on the Blue River Trail and three were along the Indian Creek Trail in south Kansas City, and three of the four were walking their dogs.”

    “The 22-year-old man suspected of shooting five middle-aged white men since last year — including four on south Kansas City walking trails — threatened in 2014 to shoot up a school and “kill all white people,” according to court records.”

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article170340652.html

    Replies: @sj, @Harry Baldwin, @E. Rekshun

    This extraordinary murder spree got no mention in the New York Times. A lifeguard at a neighborhood pool asking a black woman for ID was front page news, though.

  111. @jcd1974

    Action Step 2B: Be flexible with rules to make visitors feel comfortable
     
    Let's stop enforcing laws to make law breaking blacks and latinos feel more welcome!

    Replies: @Corn

    I believe that’s starting to happen in some cities with Democrat DAs

  112. @CAL2
    Most blacks live in urban areas and have no desire to do outdoors stuff. My wife's roommate was shocked when she saw cows that weren't black and white.

    Anyways, let's be honest, most whites really don't want the vibrant experience while camping. It will result in the standard having to adapt to Hispanics littering, blacks being noisy, etc. You can easily go to the person camping next to you and ask them to keep it a little more quiet. Make them a minority and then it ends up on Twitter how the evil white person is harassing a minority.

    This is parallel to getting minorities to visit historic sites. The redone Gettysburg visitor's center from about 10 years ago spends more time discussing slavery than the actual battle. I haven't seen any additional blacks showing up. The parks are worried that the new majority-minority country won't have people who care about the parks. They are right.

    Replies: @Corn

    “The redone Gettysburg visitor’s center from about 10 years ago spends more time discussing slavery than the actual battle. I haven’t seen any additional blacks showing up. The parks are worried that the new majority-minority country won’t have people who care about the parks. They are right.”

    What do they care? A bunch of dead white men at Gettysburg is all.

    Not to bring out the anti-Semites here but Norman Podhoretz or Irving Kristol supposedly told a friend once “the Civil War means as much to me as the War of the Roses”.

    This is the problem with immigration, whether the immigrants are white, brown, black or yellow. Eventually the past generations are no longer “us”.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Corn

    Actually it only became a big problem when America (under Jewish influence) abandoned white immigration in 1965.

    , @James Forrestal
    @Corn


    Norman Podhoretz or Irving Kristol supposedly told a friend once “the Civil War means as much to me as the War of the Roses”.
     
    Podhoretz. He said that to Gore Vidal:

    Significantly, the one Yiddish word that has gained universal acceptance in this country is chutzpah. Example: In 1960, Mr. and Mrs. Podhoretz were in upstate New York where I used to live. I was trying out a play at the Hyde Park Playhouse; the play was set during the Civil War. “Why,” asked Poddy, “are you writing a play about, of all things, the Civil War?” I explained to him that my mother’s family had fought for the Confederacy and my father’s for the Union, and that the Civil War was–and is–to the United States what the Trojan War was to the Greeks, the great single tragic event that continues to give resonance to our Republic.

    “Well, to me,” said Poddy, “the Civil War is as remote and as irrelevant as the War of the Roses.” I realized then that he was not planning to become an “assimilated American,” to use the old-fashioned terminology; but, rather, his first loyalty would always be to Israel. Yet he and Midge stay on among us, in order to make propaganda and raise money for Israel–a country they don’t seem eager to live in
     
    http://www.thecactusland.com/2010/06/empire-lovers-strike-back.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  113. @Seth Largo
    George Melendez Wright, a Salvadoran-American biologist, for instance, was the first person to conduct a comprehensive study of fauna in national parks.

    Lol. Google Image Search . . .

    Meanwhile, the Buffalo Soldiers, African-American members of the U.S. Calvary, patrolled Yosemite National Park at the turn of the last century, becoming among its first generation of park rangers.

    That's not a very, uh, intersectional history there . . .

    A 2012 study titled “Why Do So Few Minority People Visit National Parks?” found that Asian Americans, African Americans, and Hispanics often feel uncomfortable when going to parks.

    It's absurd to put Asians in that list. They constitute ~4% of NP visitors, commensurate with their numbers in the general populace. Broken down by park, I imagine the major parks have far, far more Asian visitors, as anyone who has been to Yosemite or Yellowstone can verify.

    According to the most recent National Parks Service survey, about 78 percent of those who visit federal parks are white.

    America is about 70% white, so that's not a huge disparity, even by disparate impact standards. Where's the conflict here? (Oh yeah, the conflict is that good whites always need a reason to berate bad whites . . .)

    Replies: @Corn, @Joe Schmoe

    “Meanwhile, the Buffalo Soldiers, African-American members of the U.S. Calvary, patrolled Yosemite National Park at the turn of the last century, becoming among its first generation of park rangers.”

    :O

    The Buffalo Soldiers patrolled not only our southern border but a national park?

    The Left will be giving them the damnatio memoriae treatment before long.

  114. I don’t think that the small town people in Wisconsin looked down on them because they were Asian. It was their Flatlander Illinois license plates. The people of Wisconsin hate all people from Chicago, equally!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mike Zwick

    Indeed, I got a nasty note on my car at the House on the Rock in Wisconsin calling me a "flatlander."

    , @mmack
    @Mike Zwick

    It’s because we bestowed on them the nickname “Cheeseheads”. They’ve been PO’d at us ever since. They hate us but they’ll take our sweet sweet cashola.

  115. @Mike Zwick
    I don't think that the small town people in Wisconsin looked down on them because they were Asian. It was their Flatlander Illinois license plates. The people of Wisconsin hate all people from Chicago, equally!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @mmack

    Indeed, I got a nasty note on my car at the House on the Rock in Wisconsin calling me a “flatlander.”

  116. @Ibound1
    @istevefan

    The new America won’t be camping, won’t read the NYTimes, won’t watch leftist snarky tv shows, won’t go see Cohen Brothers movies, wont contribute to planned parenthood etc. Trump is the only person who can save them and they hate him. I can’t wait until voodoo religious sacrifices become widespread thanks to our new Americans. PETA should be so pleased.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    That’s what I tell people too: Trump is your last, best shot at American civic nationalism.

    Because after Trump, it will be identity politics all the way down.

  117. @Anon7
    In my trips to Wisconsin, especially the small towns, I’d be surprised if there was any overt racism expressed towards Asians who dressed well and behaved themselves. Indeed, Sconnies (that’s what they call themselves) are so nice and polite that they let everyone walk all over them.

    They are, as the Derb would say, “doomed”.

    Replies: @Jasper Been

    Hey “Anon7” I have lived in WI my whole life (40 years) and have never even heard the term Sconnies… ???

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Jasper Been

    Really? Maybe it’s a Madison expression. My daughter lives there, and she swears it’s true.

  118. @SunBakedSuburb
    Golfing is a trait of an alpha male? Seeing all those pink and tropical fruit-colored shirts on the links makes me think otherwise. I'll have to consult Vox Day on this.

    Replies: @Jasper Been

    Golfers are so alpha they can flaunt pastel & feminine colored clothing and no one will bat an eye, or dare question their sexuality. This proves they are alpha.

  119. @YetAnotherAnon
    @JimB

    To be fair, doesn't every man appreciate "shaking half-exposed female bodies"? Unless its a hypothermia case.

    Replies: @JimB, @ben tillman

    To be fair, doesn’t every man appreciate “shaking half-exposed female bodies”?

    Not if they are hideous. With the exception of Muslims, there seems to be an inverse correlation between a woman’s willingness to expose herself and her physical beauty and fitness.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @JimB


    With the exception of Muslims, there seems to be an inverse correlation between a woman’s willingness to expose herself and her physical beauty and fitness.
     
    I dunno about that. There have been a lot of "I'm fat but I'm proud" in bikinis that last few times I went to the beach.
  120. anon[694] • Disclaimer says:

    This article is total B.S. Go to Yosemite — at least half the visitors are Asian.

    My family has visited lots of national parks, in fact, just about every single N.P. west of the Rockies. In every park we visited, we always saw lots of Asians, and they didn’t seem the least bit uncomfortable. In fact, once when we were in one of the parks, I forget which, might have been Yellowstone, we saw a large Chinese family making lunch — with a wok on a portable stove. We joked that that is the way to have lunch, instead of our boring sandwiches.

  121. @Jasper Been
    @Anon7

    Hey “Anon7” I have lived in WI my whole life (40 years) and have never even heard the term Sconnies... ???

    Replies: @Anon7

    Really? Maybe it’s a Madison expression. My daughter lives there, and she swears it’s true.

  122. @CCZ
    @BostonB

    But nature and walking trails close to the city can be a good place for a black person to kill whites, as in this 2017 example.

    “The [first four homicide] victims were white males from 54 to 66 years old; one death was on the Blue River Trail and three were along the Indian Creek Trail in south Kansas City, and three of the four were walking their dogs.”

    “The 22-year-old man suspected of shooting five middle-aged white men since last year — including four on south Kansas City walking trails — threatened in 2014 to shoot up a school and “kill all white people,” according to court records.”

    https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article170340652.html

    Replies: @sj, @Harry Baldwin, @E. Rekshun

    But nature and walking trails close to the city can be a good place for a black person to kill whites

    Chandra Levy was murdered while jogging in Rock Creek Park, DC by an illegal Honduran immigrant. And I remember hearing of a couple other White females murdered in Rock Creek by black males.

  123. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie
    So no surprise that whites in heavy hiking boots love to stomp around on brown dirt and black soil, pausing only to look up at white clouds in a blue sky.

    Even one as unschooled as Rachel Jeantel can understand that metaphor.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    There’s nobody around but there isn’t anything worth stealing.

    Stealing wild life, aka poaching, used to be popular with rural blacks, but as long as they only took what they themselves ate the game wardens looked the other way. Blacks with a rusty old twelve gauge single shot got a pass unless they did something really bad. Possum sheriff knew they didn’t have a license and didn’t usually care.

    That was the other side of Jim Crow.

    Now, we have suburban poaching by illegal aliens. Same deal, they don’t get bothered because if the cops jail them, there they sit until they go to trial and finish their 30 days or whatever at taxpayer expense.

    Illegal mestizos have goose poaching to a science: the geese are in places with office buildings with ponds and they don’t go south when they are supposed to. Señor Gansoassesino baits them with day old bread and whacks them with a camshaft in the middle of the neck, grabs them and vamooses. Since there is no way under migratory bird law the city can control these nonmigrant migrant geese the cops turn a blind eye.

    There is a great irony: only people not supposed to be here can control a goose also not supposed to be here.

  124. @Harry Baldwin
    I hike a lot in the state forest near where I live. As strange as it may sound, the only black man I've encountered on the trails, and I've seen him twice, is a cross-dresser or transgender. One time he was wearing electric blue hot pants and a matching crop top, the other something that looked like bicycle shorts made of silver lamé and a purple tank top. It reinforces my observation that gay black men violate all black male stereotypes. I can't help it if no one will believe this.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @anon, @kibernetika, @black sea

    If the fellow transitions, one prays that his given name is Urkle, so that he may easily “seamlessly”
    — well, with some seams and stitches — transition into Ursula. (Although in this context, that brings up the repulsive “bear” phenomenon.)

    The lamé reminds one of the They Might Be Giants song:

    Lamé ain’t a word commonly heard. Never knew of it until I mistakenly dated an actress for a few years (the psychic wounds have nearly healed).

    Disclaimer: Full of Christmas spirits 😉

  125. Maybe the Korean programmer and Oriental Dragon Princess were looked at funny because they reminded Wisconsinites of this (all Asians look alike, right?)

    “Chai Soua Vang (born September 24, 1968) is a naturalized Hmong American from Laos who was convicted of murder. Vang, a six-year veteran of the California National Guard, shot eight people while on a hunting trip in northern Wisconsin on November 21, 2004; six were killed and two were wounded.”

    “On the weekend of the shootings, Vang went out deer hunting with two friends and their two sons in northwest Wisconsin, a region where deer hunting is particularly popular, east of Birchwood, Wisconsin around the town of Meteor. Meteor extends over a large sparsely populated area. The land in the area is a mix of public and private. It is believed that Vang and his friends began their day on public land, but he later went onto a private 400 acre (1.6 km²) tract of land.

    On Sunday, November 21, a hunting party of about 15 people were in a cabin on this private land. Terry Willers, one of the two co-owners of the land, left the cabin and saw Vang sitting in a deer stand. Willers used a handheld radio to ask the people still in the cabin whether or not anyone should be in the stand. Upon receiving a response in the negative, he approached Vang and told him to leave the property. Vang then apologized and started moving south towards a trail through a forested area of the property.[3] According to Terry Willer’s testimony, “As Bob got back on the radio and asked me where he was at and I said, uh, he’s heading south down on the food plot right now. I radioed in to the cabin that I had a tree-rat and I had chased him off.” At that point five of the hunters from the cabin who had heard the radio message arrived at the tree stand. Lauren Hesebeck a surviving victim stated, “Bob had said I’m going to go talk to him to find out who he is, why he’s there, and make sure he doesn’t, you know, knows that he’s on private property and that he’s not welcomed there. Denny had said to me this ought to be interesting, let’s go and see what’s going on. We got in the back of it standing up (ATV), hanging on the rear bar.”[4][5]After following the directions given by Willers, they proceeded to approach Vang further down the trail. Crotteau then suggested making a note of his hunting license number to make a report to the DNR and, according to Hesebeck’s testimony, Crotteau “flipped over the hunting tag on Vang’s back to get his license number”.[6]

    The events after the confrontation are disputed. A violent altercation broke out and four of the eight victims were shot in the back, and three of these four were hit by multiple rounds. Vang is believed to have fired about 20 rounds from a Saiga Rifle chambered in 7.62×39mm, which was recovered by police. One of the wounded hunters died the next day, bringing the toll to six dead and two wounded.

    Vang fled the scene on foot and discarded his remaining ammunition, later stating that he did not want to shoot anyone else. Vang eventually came across another hunter riding an ATV (who had no affiliation with the victims), and this hunter offered to give Vang a ride, eventually taking him to Vang’s cabin. Vang was arrested when he returned to his cabin five hours after the shooting. An officer waiting for Vang placed him into custody and transported him to the Sawyer County Jail. His bail was set at $2.5 million.”

    from Wiki

  126. @Anonymous
    In the Denver metro area Hispanic families are drastically overrepresented in the city and state parks in and around the metro area. It is entirely routine for every single picnic pavilion in a state or city park to be occupied by Hispanic families having cookouts and picnics. I rarely see white families using these facilities, even in parks in lilly-white suburban areas. For some reason whites just don't do the family picnic thing anymore.

    I spend a fair amount of time mountain biking and, by contrast, I rarely see minorities out on the trails in the more remote open spaces and parks. Every now and again I'll see a minority family on a short hike near a picnic area, but the farther you get from the trailhead the whiter it gets.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    It is entirely routine for every single picnic pavilion in a state or city park to be occupied by Hispanic families having cookouts and picnics. I rarely see white families using these facilities, even in parks in lilly-white suburban areas. For some reason whites just don’t do the family picnic thing anymore.

    this is economic

    Hispanics live in small crowded apartments or small homes with big families. They don’t have nice big yards etc. Whites have bigger houses and yards and smaller families, so whites can enjoy the convenience and exclusivity of gathering at a private home. You won’t find rich white hispanics in public parks.

  127. @Seth Largo
    George Melendez Wright, a Salvadoran-American biologist, for instance, was the first person to conduct a comprehensive study of fauna in national parks.

    Lol. Google Image Search . . .

    Meanwhile, the Buffalo Soldiers, African-American members of the U.S. Calvary, patrolled Yosemite National Park at the turn of the last century, becoming among its first generation of park rangers.

    That's not a very, uh, intersectional history there . . .

    A 2012 study titled “Why Do So Few Minority People Visit National Parks?” found that Asian Americans, African Americans, and Hispanics often feel uncomfortable when going to parks.

    It's absurd to put Asians in that list. They constitute ~4% of NP visitors, commensurate with their numbers in the general populace. Broken down by park, I imagine the major parks have far, far more Asian visitors, as anyone who has been to Yosemite or Yellowstone can verify.

    According to the most recent National Parks Service survey, about 78 percent of those who visit federal parks are white.

    America is about 70% white, so that's not a huge disparity, even by disparate impact standards. Where's the conflict here? (Oh yeah, the conflict is that good whites always need a reason to berate bad whites . . .)

    Replies: @Corn, @Joe Schmoe

    According to the most recent National Parks Service survey, about 78 percent of those who visit federal parks are white.

    How many of those whites are not American citizens?

    Europeans love visiting USA national parks.

  128. @rufus
    @Almost Missouri

    Incorrect. Injuns largely plains people. Nomadic hunters following the herd without permanent settlements. Woods folk conducive to log cabining from American folklore.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    Incorrect. Injuns largely plains people. Nomadic hunters following the herd without permanent settlements. Woods folk conducive to log cabining from American folklore.

    Not so sure about that. The plains Indians really only became what they were after the Spanish gave them horses. Before that they were not too impressive. You go try following buffalo herds on foot. The Comanches became an incredible tribe after they got horses, before that they were quite underwhelming barely staying alive in small bands in Wyoming. Seasonally covering thousands of miles on foot is a non starter which is why they didn’t start doing that till they got horses.

    Anyway, hunting and fishing is hunting and fishing whether you are settled like the Taos or mobile like the Sioux or settled and mobile like rednecks.

  129. @Mr. Anon
    As recently as the 90s, REI was just an outdoors store, catering mostly to white people, and those white people unreflectively and unapologetically enjoyed the outdoors. I guess teh SJW virus has to infect everything.

    Given that people often pass through a place like an REI store first before venturing out into the wilderness, maybe it is REI itself that is so unwelcoming to those POCs who - despite their own actual preferences - ought to be out hiking, camping, skiing, and mountain climbing. So really it's REI's fault.

    Replies: @Alice in Wonderland

    Given that people often pass through a place like an REI store first before venturing out into the wilderness, maybe it is REI itself that is so unwelcoming to those POCs who – despite their own actual preferences – ought to be out hiking, camping, skiing, and mountain climbing. So really it’s REI’s fault.

    REI is structurally racist against POC would-be campers with their high prices and SWPL locations. The hood is a camping gear desert! REI is to blame! They need to have more of their stores in diverse areas!

    The first part of Festivus is the Airing of Grievances!

  130. @theMann
    Actually, I think we need more people of color out camping. They are the ones who go stomping through the poison oak on their way to sampling the pokeweed berries, and think all Deer are actually Bambi, but run in abject error from a skunk (which will never bother you if you don't piss it off.).

    That never stops being funny.

    Replies: @Macumazahn

    run in abject error from a skunk

    I see what you did there.

  131. @YetAnotherAnon
    @JimB

    To be fair, doesn't every man appreciate "shaking half-exposed female bodies"? Unless its a hypothermia case.

    Replies: @JimB, @ben tillman

    To be fair, doesn’t every man appreciate “shaking half-exposed female bodies”?

    And cheap food served out of the side of a truck!

  132. @Anon
    It takes love of nature. Not all peoples share the passion.

    Also, camping isn't all fun and games. It takes effort and there are challenges.

    Btw, the last thing we need is more litter or loud noise in nature.

    Often on hiking trips, I don't see anyone for miles and miles. I like it like that.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    It takes love of nature. Not all peoples share the passion.

    Yep. Love of nature is something in which I’m totally lacking. To me nature is wet, uncomfortable, smelly and dangerous. If I really feel compelled to look at nature I can watch it on TV. You couldn’t pay me to visit a national park. I did go once, when I was a kid, and it was a nightmare.

    And yet I’m white and I’m not a city-dweller. Nature and I just don’t get along.

    The worship of nature in Europe goes back to the Romantic Movement. The Romantic Movement was a terrible idea and has been one of the contributing factors to the decline and decadence of European civilisation. Nature should not be worshipped. Trees are not sacred. Being civilised means leaving nature behind.

    Love of nature is a cult.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
    @dfordoom

    It doesn't have to be a cult. It can simply be that some people love the outdoors and nature. It doesn't mean they're worshipping it. I spend 40+ hours each week behind two computer screens, crunching numbers and generating scientific reports. A weekend at a park to admire the scenery is a welcome break. It also inspires some of my artwork.

  133. @eded
    When white progressives state that the "outdoors" lack diversity it seems what they really mean is that the activities they enjoy such as hiking, canoeing and camping lack diversity. They don't complain of lack of diversity with regards to outdoor activities that Bad Whites enjoy such as hunting or ice fishing.

    Is this a case of white progressives engaging in Steve's theory of "Be Like Me syndrome"?

    For instance white progressives will complain of lack of diversity in ballet, but not Nascar. The thinking goes like this. The lack of diversity of ballet is bad because we think ballet is good. The lack of diversity in Nascar isn't bad, because we think Nascar is dumb. Minorities would be better off if they liked the things we like and didn't like the things Bad whites like, such as pro wrestling or the NFL. In other words, minorities should "Be Like Me".

    This reveals a hypocritical discomfort with Diversity. White progressives are uncomfortable with minorities having their own preferences and activities. It reflects a desire for homogeneity.

    Replies: @Cato, @duncsbaby, @dfordoom

    This reveals a hypocritical discomfort with Diversity. White progressives are uncomfortable with minorities having their own preferences and activities. It reflects a desire for homogeneity.

    Which makes sense since the ultimate objective of Diversity is to remove all diversity. One planet, one race, one religion (liberalism), one culture. Every human being on the planet holding the same views on every subject, listening to the same music, watching the same movies.

  134. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    She complained vociferously that small town white people in Wisconsin were very racist against Asians and looked at them funny when they drove through
     
    It had nothing to do with them being Asians. People in small towns know everyone, and if you are unknown, you get scrutinized.

    I'll bet the same would have happened to her were she to go to a small town in Korea.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @TTSSYF, @Poolside at the Decline

    Same happens to every FIBer that crosses the northern border

  135. @Corn
    @CAL2

    “The redone Gettysburg visitor’s center from about 10 years ago spends more time discussing slavery than the actual battle. I haven’t seen any additional blacks showing up. The parks are worried that the new majority-minority country won’t have people who care about the parks. They are right.”

    What do they care? A bunch of dead white men at Gettysburg is all.

    Not to bring out the anti-Semites here but Norman Podhoretz or Irving Kristol supposedly told a friend once “the Civil War means as much to me as the War of the Roses”.

    This is the problem with immigration, whether the immigrants are white, brown, black or yellow. Eventually the past generations are no longer “us”.

    Replies: @anon, @James Forrestal

    Actually it only became a big problem when America (under Jewish influence) abandoned white immigration in 1965.

  136. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @duncsbaby
    @eded

    They don’t complain of lack of diversity with regards to outdoor activities that Bad Whites enjoy such as hunting or ice fishing.
    For instance white progressives will complain of lack of diversity in ballet, but not Nascar. The thinking goes like this. The lack of diversity of ballet is bad because we think ballet is good. The lack of diversity in Nascar isn’t bad, because we think Nascar is dumb
    .


    Unfortunately the war on white culture is on all white culture.

    https://medium.com/@GOK8/lack-of-diversity-will-be-the-reason-nascar-lives-or-dies-e47f38b48b62

    https://gearjunkie.com/mec-ceo-david-labistour-diversity-outdoor-industry

    Replies: @Anonymous

    In reality NASCAR , is kind of dumb.

    That anyone would make any buying decision whatever based on NASCAR ads or buy a car based on how the NASCAR version does on the track, because there isn’t a single nut or bolt in these things that is stock, is not a sign of intelligence on the planet.

    And the cars are so well matched the racing is boring.

    In contrast, look at Indy 500 racing in the 1950-1970 era or road racing until the late sixties. No telling what all you were going to see in those days.

  137. @Harry Baldwin
    I hike a lot in the state forest near where I live. As strange as it may sound, the only black man I've encountered on the trails, and I've seen him twice, is a cross-dresser or transgender. One time he was wearing electric blue hot pants and a matching crop top, the other something that looked like bicycle shorts made of silver lamé and a purple tank top. It reinforces my observation that gay black men violate all black male stereotypes. I can't help it if no one will believe this.

    Replies: @Steve in Greensboro, @anon, @kibernetika, @black sea

    He may feel a compulsion to cross-dress, but is afraid to do so in his own neighborhood. In the state forest, he is well-assured that the chance of running into anyone he knows, or for that matter, any other black people, is infinitesimally small.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @black sea

    Interesting thought. I sometimes strike up a conversation, usually brief, with the hikers I occasionally encounter. In the case of this guy it seems better not to, though I'm certainly curious about him. I didn't mention that he is very fit, but feminine looking and wears make-up.

  138. @Anonymous
    @rufus

    Blacks will hunt, fish and farm but only for subsistence. They have no interest in it as a hobby.

    Occasionally they take it up if they are upper class but usually to fit in with the white elite crowd.

    OTOH, black golfers are sometimes completely serious and love it for what it is, but they are not all that common anymore. Steve already and AFAIK correctly covered that.

    Replies: @black sea

    Blacks will hunt, fish and farm but only for subsistence. They have no interest in it as a hobby.

    As a kid in the 1970s, I spent a lot of time on the Georgia coast. I saw not just Blacks, but more or less the same group of Blacks, fishing together every day at the pier. Fishing allows a lot of room for joking around and conversation — which Blacks tend to enjoy –while casting the line and slowly reeling it in. And it’s punctuated by moments of marginal excitement.

    Admittedly, the 1970s were a long time ago, but at that time you would see Blacks, as well as Whites, throughout Georgia fishing on bridges and in roadside ponds and creeks. I’d be surprised if all of this had died out.

  139. @Henry's Cat
    Did the film Deliverance cause a discernible fall in certain types of camping? To frighten the big city types, no need to play a banjo any more, just wearing a MAGA hat should do it.

    Replies: @black sea

    Deliverance led to an upsurge in enthusiasm for whitewater rafting and kayaking in the area where it was filmed. I remember there was a spate of inexperienced people who tried to do something similar in small rafts or canoes, and I think some of those people died.

  140. I’d say that tiger gal was lying.

    When our host was living and working in Chicago, the top two foreign languages taught in Wisconsin public schools were German and Japanese. The better to educate kids employable by companies seeking to bring business partnerships with those highly evolved and orderly nations to the Cheezer hinterlands. As per the state’s then-robust VTAE and work-prep programs.

    If these two Asiatics ever were looked at askance, it was because their car’s plates marked them as FIBs.

    Decorative, prissy, dependent, wallet-hunting, and ludically lazy women often invent excuses to get out of the hard work of recreation in the great outdoors. For me it was always an early acid test for anyone who caught my, erm, eye. Nothing like a 15-mile rough terrain hike in the pishing down rain to expose character…and lower the tent pole so to speak.

    Then one comes along who rigs up a bivvy tarp before you get back from relieving yourself behind a tree and is opening her-own-packed can of Dinty Moore beef stew with her P-51, then asks you to unfold and light the Esbit punchcard stove as she digs in her day pack for extra squeaky cheese curds and Moser Roth 85%. In that case it’s pretty much Big Top time. Admittedly my N=1 there….

    Our SJW insect overlords can bus blacks into national park concession services for socialized/tax-subsidized PC profit and vanity signaling points till the zebu come home. But a marrow-deep love of the outdoors is no more universally distributed than intelligence or forethought or love of quiet and pitch dark. I’ve never been able to figure out why libs and progs are so hellbent on torturing their pets like this. Just mean I guess.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Olorin

    Well said. Agree completely.

  141. @dfordoom
    @Anon


    It takes love of nature. Not all peoples share the passion.
     
    Yep. Love of nature is something in which I'm totally lacking. To me nature is wet, uncomfortable, smelly and dangerous. If I really feel compelled to look at nature I can watch it on TV. You couldn't pay me to visit a national park. I did go once, when I was a kid, and it was a nightmare.

    And yet I'm white and I'm not a city-dweller. Nature and I just don't get along.

    The worship of nature in Europe goes back to the Romantic Movement. The Romantic Movement was a terrible idea and has been one of the contributing factors to the decline and decadence of European civilisation. Nature should not be worshipped. Trees are not sacred. Being civilised means leaving nature behind.

    Love of nature is a cult.

    Replies: @TTSSYF

    It doesn’t have to be a cult. It can simply be that some people love the outdoors and nature. It doesn’t mean they’re worshipping it. I spend 40+ hours each week behind two computer screens, crunching numbers and generating scientific reports. A weekend at a park to admire the scenery is a welcome break. It also inspires some of my artwork.

  142. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    She complained vociferously that small town white people in Wisconsin were very racist against Asians and looked at them funny when they drove through
     
    It had nothing to do with them being Asians. People in small towns know everyone, and if you are unknown, you get scrutinized.

    I'll bet the same would have happened to her were she to go to a small town in Korea.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @TTSSYF, @Poolside at the Decline

    My one anecdote. My Korean in-law, who lives in northern Virginia near D.C., constantly talks about how she is discriminated against by white Americans.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @TTSSYF

    My Korean in-law, who lives in northern Virginia near D.C., constantly talks about how she is discriminated against by white Americans.

    Just guessing, but I bet her paycheck comes from some US federal agency funded (mostly) by White tax payers..

  143. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    She complained vociferously that small town white people in Wisconsin were very racist against Asians and looked at them funny when they drove through
     
    It had nothing to do with them being Asians. People in small towns know everyone, and if you are unknown, you get scrutinized.

    I'll bet the same would have happened to her were she to go to a small town in Korea.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @TTSSYF, @Poolside at the Decline

    Sadly, I have found as an employer, that members of “protected classes” see the world & their challenges & failures in it as mostly a product of discrimination against their class.

  144. @Mike Zwick
    I don't think that the small town people in Wisconsin looked down on them because they were Asian. It was their Flatlander Illinois license plates. The people of Wisconsin hate all people from Chicago, equally!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @mmack

    It’s because we bestowed on them the nickname “Cheeseheads”. They’ve been PO’d at us ever since. They hate us but they’ll take our sweet sweet cashola.

  145. @TTSSYF
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    My one anecdote. My Korean in-law, who lives in northern Virginia near D.C., constantly talks about how she is discriminated against by white Americans.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    My Korean in-law, who lives in northern Virginia near D.C., constantly talks about how she is discriminated against by white Americans.

    Just guessing, but I bet her paycheck comes from some US federal agency funded (mostly) by White tax payers..

  146. @JimB
    @YetAnotherAnon


    To be fair, doesn’t every man appreciate “shaking half-exposed female bodies”?
     
    Not if they are hideous. With the exception of Muslims, there seems to be an inverse correlation between a woman's willingness to expose herself and her physical beauty and fitness.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    With the exception of Muslims, there seems to be an inverse correlation between a woman’s willingness to expose herself and her physical beauty and fitness.

    I dunno about that. There have been a lot of “I’m fat but I’m proud” in bikinis that last few times I went to the beach.

  147. @Olorin
    I'd say that tiger gal was lying.

    When our host was living and working in Chicago, the top two foreign languages taught in Wisconsin public schools were German and Japanese. The better to educate kids employable by companies seeking to bring business partnerships with those highly evolved and orderly nations to the Cheezer hinterlands. As per the state's then-robust VTAE and work-prep programs.

    If these two Asiatics ever were looked at askance, it was because their car's plates marked them as FIBs.

    Decorative, prissy, dependent, wallet-hunting, and ludically lazy women often invent excuses to get out of the hard work of recreation in the great outdoors. For me it was always an early acid test for anyone who caught my, erm, eye. Nothing like a 15-mile rough terrain hike in the pishing down rain to expose character...and lower the tent pole so to speak.

    Then one comes along who rigs up a bivvy tarp before you get back from relieving yourself behind a tree and is opening her-own-packed can of Dinty Moore beef stew with her P-51, then asks you to unfold and light the Esbit punchcard stove as she digs in her day pack for extra squeaky cheese curds and Moser Roth 85%. In that case it's pretty much Big Top time. Admittedly my N=1 there....

    Our SJW insect overlords can bus blacks into national park concession services for socialized/tax-subsidized PC profit and vanity signaling points till the zebu come home. But a marrow-deep love of the outdoors is no more universally distributed than intelligence or forethought or love of quiet and pitch dark. I've never been able to figure out why libs and progs are so hellbent on torturing their pets like this. Just mean I guess.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Well said. Agree completely.

  148. @black sea
    @Harry Baldwin

    He may feel a compulsion to cross-dress, but is afraid to do so in his own neighborhood. In the state forest, he is well-assured that the chance of running into anyone he knows, or for that matter, any other black people, is infinitesimally small.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Interesting thought. I sometimes strike up a conversation, usually brief, with the hikers I occasionally encounter. In the case of this guy it seems better not to, though I’m certainly curious about him. I didn’t mention that he is very fit, but feminine looking and wears make-up.

  149. His bride was gorgeous, in the Oriental Dragon Princess mode.

    Racism is all very well and good but incoherence should not be tolerated. The done thing now is to pick a celebrity that roughly resembles the subject (the celebrity doesn’t have to be known to the audience because of search engines).

    She complained vociferously that small town white people in Wisconsin were very racist against Asians and looked at them funny when they drove through.

    Most human societies have nothing like our near-egalitarianism, and, to get further away, a lot still have medieval ranks. Immigrant complaints about disrespect are always disguised by the lying press as a rejection from equality (oh and by the way, the mass media never brings up the American conscious class equality that peaked in the sixties without attacking it, calling it a lie, or whining about “hicks” and “anti-intellectuals”), but many can clearly be seen as failures to kiss the pinky ring. Every culturally literate East Asian that comes here must be struck at first by how “rude” we all are, if only because none of our rules are spelled out or enforced as rigidly as theirs, and because everyone is a nominal equal, but hopefully they grow into it.

  150. @Corn
    @CAL2

    “The redone Gettysburg visitor’s center from about 10 years ago spends more time discussing slavery than the actual battle. I haven’t seen any additional blacks showing up. The parks are worried that the new majority-minority country won’t have people who care about the parks. They are right.”

    What do they care? A bunch of dead white men at Gettysburg is all.

    Not to bring out the anti-Semites here but Norman Podhoretz or Irving Kristol supposedly told a friend once “the Civil War means as much to me as the War of the Roses”.

    This is the problem with immigration, whether the immigrants are white, brown, black or yellow. Eventually the past generations are no longer “us”.

    Replies: @anon, @James Forrestal

    Norman Podhoretz or Irving Kristol supposedly told a friend once “the Civil War means as much to me as the War of the Roses”.

    Podhoretz. He said that to Gore Vidal:

    Significantly, the one Yiddish word that has gained universal acceptance in this country is chutzpah. Example: In 1960, Mr. and Mrs. Podhoretz were in upstate New York where I used to live. I was trying out a play at the Hyde Park Playhouse; the play was set during the Civil War. “Why,” asked Poddy, “are you writing a play about, of all things, the Civil War?” I explained to him that my mother’s family had fought for the Confederacy and my father’s for the Union, and that the Civil War was–and is–to the United States what the Trojan War was to the Greeks, the great single tragic event that continues to give resonance to our Republic.

    “Well, to me,” said Poddy, “the Civil War is as remote and as irrelevant as the War of the Roses.” I realized then that he was not planning to become an “assimilated American,” to use the old-fashioned terminology; but, rather, his first loyalty would always be to Israel. Yet he and Midge stay on among us, in order to make propaganda and raise money for Israel–a country they don’t seem eager to live in

    http://www.thecactusland.com/2010/06/empire-lovers-strike-back.html

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @James Forrestal

    Norman Podhoretz was a literary critic so he should be interested in The War of the Roses, which is a big deal in Shakespeare.

    And it then leads to newer works like Game of Thrones.

  151. @James Forrestal
    @Corn


    Norman Podhoretz or Irving Kristol supposedly told a friend once “the Civil War means as much to me as the War of the Roses”.
     
    Podhoretz. He said that to Gore Vidal:

    Significantly, the one Yiddish word that has gained universal acceptance in this country is chutzpah. Example: In 1960, Mr. and Mrs. Podhoretz were in upstate New York where I used to live. I was trying out a play at the Hyde Park Playhouse; the play was set during the Civil War. “Why,” asked Poddy, “are you writing a play about, of all things, the Civil War?” I explained to him that my mother’s family had fought for the Confederacy and my father’s for the Union, and that the Civil War was–and is–to the United States what the Trojan War was to the Greeks, the great single tragic event that continues to give resonance to our Republic.

    “Well, to me,” said Poddy, “the Civil War is as remote and as irrelevant as the War of the Roses.” I realized then that he was not planning to become an “assimilated American,” to use the old-fashioned terminology; but, rather, his first loyalty would always be to Israel. Yet he and Midge stay on among us, in order to make propaganda and raise money for Israel–a country they don’t seem eager to live in
     
    http://www.thecactusland.com/2010/06/empire-lovers-strike-back.html

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Norman Podhoretz was a literary critic so he should be interested in The War of the Roses, which is a big deal in Shakespeare.

    And it then leads to newer works like Game of Thrones.

  152. Norman Podhoretz was a literary critic so he should be interested in The War of the Roses, which is a big deal in Shakespeare.

    Intellectually, perhaps. But did he see it as part of the history of his own people; his nation? Did he feel any emotional attachment to it? No. Same for the Civil War.

    Podhoretz may have been using “irrelevant” to mean in terms of his own interests, or “not useful for advancing the desired narrative,” I suppose. Vidal vs. Podhoretz is an interesting contrast, because Vidal was a heritage American with a strong feeling for his people — but a consistent leftist, while Podhoretz is a strongly-identified Jew whose only consistent “ideological” position is “Is it good for the Jews?”

    The near-total lack of self-awareness and empathy demonstrated by Podhoretz’ question — “Of course I care about my people’s history and their interests, but why should you care about your own?” — is interesting, too.

  153. Anonymous [AKA "not for free"] says:
    @F. Galton
    Camping is a lot of work, what with the acquiring of equipment, the critters and the things that bite and sting, the camp set up and tear down, and the preparation of every meal. You have to love it to spend your free time doing it.

    I suspect minorities don't want to deal with the hassle of camping (especially our black friends).

    BTW, Stuff White People Like (SWPL - google it) has a hilarious entry that advises minorities on how to approach camping with white people. Check it out - it's gold.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Look it up.” “Research it.” But please, not “google it..” No free advertising for these globalists who would fire or keep silent all cons/trads (if they’re not put into gulags). Let’s not give ’em more power. Appreciated.

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