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During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S. Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr. Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr. Blake.

Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times.

During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted

He was conscious and could talk after being tased and then shot 7 times? Jacob Blake should be Marvel’s next superhero: NoTaseMan.

that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.

DCI is continuing to review evidence and determine the facts of this incident and will turn over investigative reports to a prosecutor following a complete and thorough investigation. end/

As I point out in my latest Taki’s Magazine column “The Social Construction of Black Self-Destruction,” the new Zeroth Amendment to the Constitution reads “No Black man need submit to being arrested if He’s really not in the mood to be arrested.”

Here’s the statement by the Wisconsin DOJ:

Kenosha Police Department officers were dispatched to a residence in the 2800 block of 40th Street after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.

During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S. Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr. Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr. Blake. Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon. Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras, therefore the officers were not wearing body cameras.

The shooting officer, Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey, has been a law enforcement officer with Kenosha Police Department for seven years.

During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons.

Law enforcement immediately provided medical aid to Mr. Blake. Flight for Life transported Mr. Blake to Froedtert Hospital in Milwaukee. Mr. Blake remains at the hospital.

DCI is leading this investigation and is assisted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Wisconsin State Patrol and Kenosha County Sheriff’s Office. All involved law enforcement are fully cooperating with DCI during this investigation. The involved officers have been placed on administrative leave.

DCI is continuing to review evidence and determine the facts of this incident and will turn over investigative reports to a prosecutor following a complete and thorough investigation.

 
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  1. He dindu nuffin. Why da pOleeze have to shoot dat chile? He is a good chile and sheeit, yo.

  2. Am I to understand that the g/f had a legal restraining order against Mr. Blake?

    Often, when the target of a RO, who possesses an illegal weapon, deliberately encounters the individual who is deemed in need of bodily protection, it’s the protected individual who winds up in the hospital (morgue).

    • Agree: Hibernian
  3. Are they going to release the toxicology report on Blake? Part of the absurd condemnation of the cops is that he was trying to get into the car with his kids. It would be stunning if he was within the legal limits for driving.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @GeraldB
    @Barnard

    Why is it that the MSM stories never seem to mention the kids? I mean, he was at his ex's house when she had a restraining order against him. Were they her kids? Was he trying to kidnap them? Or did he bring the kids with him when he went over to harass his ex?

    I guess it's one of those things that if we knew the answer, it would be bad for The Narrative.

  4. And anyone who says “just a knife”, needs to be stabbed multiple times, since it’s “just a knife”.

  5. A young White man, Kyle Rittenhouse age 17 of Antioch Il was arrested for 2 first degree homicide. He was the brave young White man who shot the 2 black protestors in Kenosha WI. I’m sure all those good Wisconsin Lutheran German will prosecute him and send him off to prison for life. Just to make sure, they’ll move the trial to Milwaukee with its 38 percent black population.

    So much for White resistance to the revolution. A 17 year old. What are White men doing to stop it?

    In other news,,a local BLM coordinator was arrested in San Louis Obispo, home of Cal Poly university. A bus load of BLM protestors came immediately from Los Angels to protest and riot. .

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Alden

    The protestors Kyle Rittenhouse killed weren’t black. They were White. Joseph Rosenbaum, Wisconsin state registered sex offender 53142 and Anthony Huber. Huber pled guilty to strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment Re: a domestic abuse altercation in which he used a dangerous weapon.

    The injured rioter, Gaige Grosskreutz, has a criminal record of criminal burglary and because of his criminal record is not allowed to be in possession of firearms. Yet he was peacefully shooting a handgun at Rittenhouse when he was shot.

    These must be the grandchildren of 1960s rioters.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @S

  6. Only 4 successfully.

    He was charged with the sex crime the police had sought to arrest him for earlier this afternoon.

  7. Looking for more information, I did a search of Wisconsin newspapers and I found stories about the murder of 10 year old Anissa Scott, shot and killed while riding in a car with her mother’s boyfriend. Surprisingly the judge set bail for one suspect at $1.5 million. Ms.Scott and the three suspects are all black. I doubt there are many commentors here that are aware of murder of this child. The list of black children shot and killed this summer is long, the MSM stories are sparse.

    • Replies: @Larry, San Francisco
    @Buffalo Joe

    There was a good column in FrontPage about the death of Cannon Hinnant.
    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/08/democrats-killed-cannon-hinnant-and-george-floyd-daniel-greenfield/

    In the article he noted that:


    The media is pumping out a steady diet of black victims and white perpetrators. Even if the perpetrating usually seems to involve calling the police in a potentially dangerous situation. But the police forces, many of them run by or filled with minorities, aren’t oppressing black communities, they’re protecting them. Because there are plenty of black Cannons.
    Three children are shot on average every week in Philly. The cops aren’t shooting them.
     
    This really made me think. It is really sad that the big social justice movement will end up causing more black (and maybe non-black people) to die. It is inline with the environmental movement's belief in imminent global catastrophe from carbon while by opposing nuclear power, causing CO2 to increase (see Germany, for example).






















































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    Replies: @Pericles

  8. So he was mostly knifeless?

    • LOL: Muggles
  9. People in other rich countries don’t always feel like being arrested either – it’s usually not considered necessary to shoot them in front of their kids.

    • Troll: Hibernian
  10. No officer of the law may arrest an aristocrat, at least since 500 B.C., and attested to by the Greeks (sometimes).

    If you are a Black criminal, you have aristocratic privilege.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    No officer of the law may arrest an aristocrat, at least since 500 B.C., and attested to by the Greeks (sometimes).
     
    Citation?
  11. I don’t know if the kids in the SUV were the kids of the gf he was having a fight with or not (and i don’t know if the cops knew at the time either).

    However killing kids to “punish” the other parent is a reasonably well known thing, especially in “murder-suicide” type events.

    The guy had just fought with the police and was tasered and is ignoring police demands that he stop and is getting into the SUV with the knife.

    It was not unreasonable to think at that moment that there’s a significant chance that this man intended to knife the kids.

    • Agree: Cortes, Alden
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @vhrm

    Hadn't considered that. Remote, but a possibility.

    , @Bucky
    @vhrm

    Doubtful. But they still should have backed away before shooting. Let him reveal his villainy, save us all a bunch of trouble.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @vhrm


    However killing kids to “punish” the other parent is a reasonably well known thing, especially in “murder-suicide” type events.
     
    Yes, but it's something only the moms do, not the dads.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @vhrm

    , @gutta percha
    @vhrm

    "I don’t know if the kids in the SUV were the kids of the gf"

    I read somewhere that Jacob Swisscheese has six children at age 29.

    When will women learn to pick their lovers more carefully? I'm guessing, ummmm, never.

    If he has six living children, how many of his other children have been aborted? Perhaps the same number.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Pericles

  12. “Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife.” O.W. Holmes in Brown vs U.S., 1921.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  13. Ah, but the knife wasn’t for stabbin’. It was to instruct his children on how to handle one safely. He was simply going to show the officers the knife and explain all that. BTW, Second City Cop has a graphic showing a few of Blake’s priors. SCC states the felony was for statutory rape of a 14-year-old.

  14. Very interesting case of Intersectionality. Must be confusing for SJWs. Do Black Lives Matter or MeToo?

    So far it seems like BLM is winning. Many senior Democratic politicians, including Biden, and the NBA, have supported a man, possessing a deadly weapon, and with an active arrest warrant for sexual assault, who apparently scared a woman enough that she called the police for protection.

    Trump should make sure to ask Biden why he won’t protect women from domestic abusers. Someone should ask the NBA the same. Wasn’t it just yesterday I couldn’t watch an NFL
    game without the announcers lecturing nonstop about domestic violence, completely ignoring the game?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I haven’t watched spectator sports in 40 years. When did announcers start delivering lectures on subjects like domestic violence? How about regular flossing; are they lecturing the viewers on the importance of flossing everyday?
    Why?

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Almost Missouri
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Also, as was pointed out by a commenter on a recent Kenosha thread, since the Violence Against Women Act*, it has become almost mandatory for police to arrest the boyfriend when the woman calls up to complain about him, as Jacob Blake's girlfriend did. So it's not just a case of "do Black Lives Matter or MeToo?", it's that MeToo ( = Lady Lives Matter = VAWA ) is on a perpetual collision course with Black Lives Matter. And of course, it is the ordinary street patrolman who gets to settle these irreconcilable differences. Do you let the accused go and become a VAWA villain, or do you collar him by any means necessary and become a BLM baddie?

    My advice: if you become a BLM baddie, the city will burn. Better to be a VAWA villain. "Feminists" haven't arsoned any towns yet. Until they do, BLM wins the intersectionality sweepstakes. Of course, if a governor chooses to restore law and order, then VAWA might have a chance again. Craven pseudo-governor Tony Evers certainly won't. And as long as young women continue to "protest" in support of Black men's right to felonize at will, it's unlikely any other governor will either. So, it sucks to be a VAWAista, but what can one say? They're making their own bed.

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    *Shepherded through the Senate by ... [checks notes] ... some guy named Joe Biden.

    Replies: @Alden

  15. Jacob Blake should be Marvel’s next superhero

    I’m sure they’re working on it.

  16. He had a knife and was trying to ditch it. Whatever. He is still 100% responsible for getting shot. I don’t revel in his suffering, but there are literally millions of people in the world right now more deserving of my sympathy–starting with the cop who shot him.

    • Agree: NickG
  17. Anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:

    As I point out in my latest Taki’s Magazine column “The Social Construction of Black Self-Destruction,” the new Zeroth Amendment to the Constitution reads “No Black man need submit to being arrested if He’s really not in the mood to be arrested.”

    Lawyers say you should never talk to the police, no matter the circumstance. Even if you’re a completely upstanding, law abiding citizen, have done nothing wrong, are only telling the truth or seemingly inconsequential details, they say you shouldn’t talk to them:

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    What if you’re the victim of a crime and the responding officers ask you to describe the perp?
    Or you actually know the criminal and can give his name?

    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Lawyers also say that you should obey reasonable and lawful commands of the police and not resist arrest. And that if police have a reasonable fear that they are in danger of grave bodily harm they can shoot you in self-defense. If you are going to train people in how to interact with the PoPo you need to know all of that, not just that you don't talk to the Po-lice.

  18. Anonymous[147] • Disclaimer says:

    If Jacob Blake was a white or asian or hispanic man then there is no news here. No story.

    Candace Owens is correct when she says it’s only black people who stick up for their own when their own have long rap sheets and are resisting arrest. Other racial groups disown their own scumbags.

    ALSO F*CK PAID LACKEY OF CHINA LEBRON JAMES the single most destructive voice in America right now. Never forget he false-flagged his own house with a dumb fake hate crime around the time of the Jussie Smollet farce. This guy is very dumb and very influential and therefore very dangerous.

    • Replies: @Hymie
    @Anonymous

    You mean China Porch Flunkey Lebron James.

  19. Well, as of right now, people in Minneapolis are breaking windows because a black guy shot himself as the police were coming to arrest him, so I can’t seriously imagine it will make much of a difference either way.

  20. The Daily Mail says that an official says that the knife may have fallen out of his hand into the car.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8668375/Jacob-Blake-armed-KNIFE-cops-shot-says-Wisconsin-AG.html

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @wren

    The knife in that photo (if it is a knife) looks like a Karambit. They're not general-purpose knives.

    From the ad copy: "Karambit Knives are the ultimate self defense tool. They typically have a curved blade design and a finger hole that is ideal for close combat situations. Karambit blades are available in folding knives, automatics, fixed blades and neck knives."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @anon

  21. re useless Taser: one of the few times NPR and Reveal did some journalism was about the Taser. The Taser you see in the Dirty Harry sequel — the original, from the original company — will put you or Professor Blake there on the ground. But that company got bought out by an inferior competitor which diddled with the lucky electricity fountain. The taser most commonly in use today (which is not the original) requires you to be a certain distance (well out of close quarters combat range, well out of physical control of the bad guy) from the target to deliver its full charge. Cops are often ignorant of this, or unwilling to distance themselves from somebody they consider taseworthy. In numerous tests, even when the necessary distance is achieved, the modren taser fails anyway.

  22. Anonymous[423] • Disclaimer says:

    During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted

    He was conscious and could talk after being tased and then shot 7 times? Jacob Blake should be Marvel’s next superhero: NoTaseMan.

    The initial incident. Initial, as in, when the police first attempted to arrest Blake. The implication is that the police knew Blake had a knife (that and was probably going for it after walking around the car) before the shooting.

  23. @Buffalo Joe
    Looking for more information, I did a search of Wisconsin newspapers and I found stories about the murder of 10 year old Anissa Scott, shot and killed while riding in a car with her mother's boyfriend. Surprisingly the judge set bail for one suspect at $1.5 million. Ms.Scott and the three suspects are all black. I doubt there are many commentors here that are aware of murder of this child. The list of black children shot and killed this summer is long, the MSM stories are sparse.

    Replies: @Larry, San Francisco

    There was a good column in FrontPage about the death of Cannon Hinnant.
    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/08/democrats-killed-cannon-hinnant-and-george-floyd-daniel-greenfield/

    In the article he noted that:

    The media is pumping out a steady diet of black victims and white perpetrators. Even if the perpetrating usually seems to involve calling the police in a potentially dangerous situation. But the police forces, many of them run by or filled with minorities, aren’t oppressing black communities, they’re protecting them. Because there are plenty of black Cannons.
    Three children are shot on average every week in Philly. The cops aren’t shooting them.

    This really made me think. It is really sad that the big social justice movement will end up causing more black (and maybe non-black people) to die. It is inline with the environmental movement’s belief in imminent global catastrophe from carbon while by opposing nuclear power, causing CO2 to increase (see Germany, for example).

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    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Larry, San Francisco


    It is really sad that the big social justice movement will end up causing more black (and maybe non-black people) to die.

     

    I dunno, is it?

    Replies: @Herzog

  24. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Very interesting case of Intersectionality. Must be confusing for SJWs. Do Black Lives Matter or MeToo?

    So far it seems like BLM is winning. Many senior Democratic politicians, including Biden, and the NBA, have supported a man, possessing a deadly weapon, and with an active arrest warrant for sexual assault, who apparently scared a woman enough that she called the police for protection.

    Trump should make sure to ask Biden why he won’t protect women from domestic abusers. Someone should ask the NBA the same. Wasn’t it just yesterday I couldn’t watch an NFL
    game without the announcers lecturing nonstop about domestic violence, completely ignoring the game?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Almost Missouri

    I haven’t watched spectator sports in 40 years. When did announcers start delivering lectures on subjects like domestic violence? How about regular flossing; are they lecturing the viewers on the importance of flossing everyday?
    Why?

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Alfa158

    Could be the announcers were lecturing the players.

  25. People respond to incentives and disincentives.

    “Working the ref” resonates with the black underclass, which is understandable given that many of their idols are black professional athletes.

    “Working the ref” has two modes:

    a) Overwrought outrage if the ref doesn’t call a borderline or unproven foul/penalty against the other “team” (police, or whitey in general). It doesn’t matter if the alleged foul was later shown to be completely fake (nooses, Jussie Smollett, Tawana Brawley, etc.)

    b) Overwrought outrage if the ref calls a borderline or proven foul/penalty against our “team” (long rap sheet black perps, or blacks in general). It doesn’t matter if the cop’s body cam later shows that the cop’s action was completely justified.

    Reward (a) or (b) and you get more of the same. Sadly, rewarding (a) and (b) has been public policy in most of the developed world for the past 50 years or so.

    The end result is ultimately tragic for the black community, and everyone else. The political class ends “stop-and-frisk” in cities like NYC, and encourages “hands off” policing in general. Which results in more black murderers out on the street, mainly killing other blacks. Or believing their own “working the ref” bullshit and murdering whites.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Voltarde

    As a commenter at this site observed (IIRC), "Blacks regard an arrest as something between a negotiation and trial by combat."

    Lately, more often the latter.

  26. Here we go again

    • LOL: JimDandy
    • Replies: @bruce county
    @216

    Link??

  27. Are these even facts? Can we trust this report at all? I’m not sure that we can.

    So the cover ups, the excuses and the lies begin. What exactly does the possession of a knife under the floorboard prove?

    NBA players know what they saw, don’t try to gaslight the public.

  28. @vhrm
    I don't know if the kids in the SUV were the kids of the gf he was having a fight with or not (and i don't know if the cops knew at the time either).

    However killing kids to "punish" the other parent is a reasonably well known thing, especially in "murder-suicide" type events.

    The guy had just fought with the police and was tasered and is ignoring police demands that he stop and is getting into the SUV with the knife.

    It was not unreasonable to think at that moment that there's a significant chance that this man intended to knife the kids.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Bucky, @ScarletNumber, @gutta percha

    Hadn’t considered that. Remote, but a possibility.

  29. @vhrm
    I don't know if the kids in the SUV were the kids of the gf he was having a fight with or not (and i don't know if the cops knew at the time either).

    However killing kids to "punish" the other parent is a reasonably well known thing, especially in "murder-suicide" type events.

    The guy had just fought with the police and was tasered and is ignoring police demands that he stop and is getting into the SUV with the knife.

    It was not unreasonable to think at that moment that there's a significant chance that this man intended to knife the kids.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Bucky, @ScarletNumber, @gutta percha

    Doubtful. But they still should have backed away before shooting. Let him reveal his villainy, save us all a bunch of trouble.

    • Agree: Escher
  30. A city of 100,00 is pretty small. And since at least 50% of police calls would be in the black community of 7000, it is likely that Blake was well known by the cops. It just so happens that he wasn’t carrying a gun when he was shot, but a) he was a security guard and b) he probably had a firearm license on record (probably invalidated by his arrest warrant) which would have come up at the top of any search of his name. The police were correct in treating him as armed and dangerous. Basically, he screwed the pooch.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @JimB


    a) he was a security guard and b) he probably had a firearm license on record
     
    Wasn’t he a convicted child molester like Rosenbaum? How does an ex-con get a gig as a “security guard”? He definitely didn’t have any registered firearms.

    Replies: @JimB

  31. Knife? Irrelevant. Shooting to kill 7 times in the back from close proximity could have been justified only under an anti-terrorist procedure that Blake was about to reach the trigger of a bomb like a suicide vest.

    Shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

    Two officers fired a total of eleven shots according to the number of empty shell casings found on the floor of the train afterwards. Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder at close range and died at the scene. An eyewitness later said that the eleven shots were fired over a thirty-second period, at three-second intervals.

    It emerged that hollow-point bullets had been employed […] These bullets are widely used in law enforcement, where it may often be necessary to quickly stop an armed assailant while minimising the risk of collateral damage posed by the use of full metal jacket ammunition.

    Much discussion following the shooting centred on the rules of engagement followed by armed police when dealing with suspected suicide bombers. Roy Ramm, a former commander of specialist operations for the Metropolitan Police, said that the rules had been changed to permit officers to “shoot to kill” potential suicide bombers, claiming headshots are the safest way to kill the suspect without risk of detonating devices.

    Based in part on advice from the security forces of Israel and Sri Lanka—two countries with experience of suicide bombings—Operation Kratos guidelines allegedly state that the head or lower limbs should be aimed at when a suspected suicide bomber appears to have no intention of surrendering. This is contrary to the usual practice of aiming at the torso, which presents the biggest target, since a hit to the torso may detonate an explosive belt.

    • Replies: @anon
    @utu


    Knife? Irrelevant. Shooting to kill 7 times in the back from close proximity could have been justified only under an anti-terrorist procedure that Blake was about to reach the trigger of a bomb like a suicide vest.
     
    What are you talking about? The police are justified in shooting a criminal in the back in many types of cases. There isn't any rule, or reason, that your obscure terrorism example is the only condition.
    The cops have a duty to stop criminals, safeguard the public, and safeguard themselves. When a criminal resists and his resistance turns potentially deadly, as surely happened in this case, the cops can shoot him in the back, the front, the side, or where ever is handy. And they can shoot him once, seven times, or 50 times if that is what it takes.
    It isn't a boxing match with Marquess de Queensberry rules.
    , @Almost Missouri
    @utu

    Right, the officers should have let Blake retrieve his weapon of choice from his car, and only then should they have selected the situationally appropriate countermeasure from their utility belts.

    /s

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    , @Gordo
    @utu


    Knife? Irrelevant. Shooting to kill 7 times in the back from close proximity could have been justified only under an anti-terrorist procedure that Blake was about to reach the trigger of a bomb like a suicide vest.
     
    Can't agree, the chappie had a record of violence against children and accessed a carload of children with a knife in his hand.
    , @NickG
    @utu


    Knife? Irrelevant. Shooting to kill 7 times in the back from close proximity could have been justified only under an anti-terrorist procedure that Blake was about to reach the trigger of a bomb like a suicide vest
     
    Not at all. Someone a car length from you with a knife can close that distance and stab you multiple times in an instant, Google the Tueller drill.
  32. In other news, how much you wanna bet Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s hotheaded half-retarded son gets off for repeatedly knifing his neighbor?

  33. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Very interesting case of Intersectionality. Must be confusing for SJWs. Do Black Lives Matter or MeToo?

    So far it seems like BLM is winning. Many senior Democratic politicians, including Biden, and the NBA, have supported a man, possessing a deadly weapon, and with an active arrest warrant for sexual assault, who apparently scared a woman enough that she called the police for protection.

    Trump should make sure to ask Biden why he won’t protect women from domestic abusers. Someone should ask the NBA the same. Wasn’t it just yesterday I couldn’t watch an NFL
    game without the announcers lecturing nonstop about domestic violence, completely ignoring the game?

    Replies: @Alfa158, @Almost Missouri

    Also, as was pointed out by a commenter on a recent Kenosha thread, since the Violence Against Women Act*, it has become almost mandatory for police to arrest the boyfriend when the woman calls up to complain about him, as Jacob Blake’s girlfriend did. So it’s not just a case of “do Black Lives Matter or MeToo?”, it’s that MeToo ( = Lady Lives Matter = VAWA ) is on a perpetual collision course with Black Lives Matter. And of course, it is the ordinary street patrolman who gets to settle these irreconcilable differences. Do you let the accused go and become a VAWA villain, or do you collar him by any means necessary and become a BLM baddie?

    My advice: if you become a BLM baddie, the city will burn. Better to be a VAWA villain. “Feminists” haven’t arsoned any towns yet. Until they do, BLM wins the intersectionality sweepstakes. Of course, if a governor chooses to restore law and order, then VAWA might have a chance again. Craven pseudo-governor Tony Evers certainly won’t. And as long as young women continue to “protest” in support of Black men’s right to felonize at will, it’s unlikely any other governor will either. So, it sucks to be a VAWAista, but what can one say? They’re making their own bed.

    ——

    *Shepherded through the Senate by … [checks notes] … some guy named Joe Biden.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    GF didn’t just call the police for no reason. A judge granted a restraining order against him to stay away from her and her home. He violated that order.

    It wasn’t a DV situation. It was violation of a restraining order. Normally, when the RO violater is calm, the police just tell him or her to leave and follow him or her to make sure he or she doesn’t come back.

    When he refused to leave, he went beserk probably on drugs and started the incident in which he was shot and arrested, a police officer is charged with attempted murder and a town is being destroyed.

    Rodney King was driving more than 100 miles an hour with 2 terrified passengers in the car and was so drugged up on PCP it took about 10 officers to arrest him

    Blake was convicted of statutory rape of a 14 year old. Hope she didn’t get pregnant and have another life long welfare baby.

    You’re one of the MEN OF UNZ who advocate for the end of sex molestation of minors. Okay, you don’t give a rat’s ass about morals and protection of minors. But if you pay taxes you should be aware that many of the victims of statutory rape do get pregnant and end up in lifelong welfare with their welfare babies who grow up to augment the ever growing underclass.

    Given the way Blake insanely reacted when GF told him to leave and police arrived and ordered him to leave, I would say there was an excellent reason for that restraining order to be issued.

    Another dis functional drugged up marginally employed black thugs with welfare kids by different women and you’re defending him.

    Well, you’ve been defending Epstein and Maxwell all along I’m not surprised you’re defending Blake.

    Leads me to wonder how many domestic violence situations you’ve been in.

    Get together with the rest of the woody Allen look alike creeps and start a we hate White women group therapy blog.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Almost Missouri

  34. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu
    Knife? Irrelevant. Shooting to kill 7 times in the back from close proximity could have been justified only under an anti-terrorist procedure that Blake was about to reach the trigger of a bomb like a suicide vest.

    Shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

    Two officers fired a total of eleven shots according to the number of empty shell casings found on the floor of the train afterwards. Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder at close range and died at the scene. An eyewitness later said that the eleven shots were fired over a thirty-second period, at three-second intervals.

    It emerged that hollow-point bullets had been employed [...] These bullets are widely used in law enforcement, where it may often be necessary to quickly stop an armed assailant while minimising the risk of collateral damage posed by the use of full metal jacket ammunition.

    Much discussion following the shooting centred on the rules of engagement followed by armed police when dealing with suspected suicide bombers. Roy Ramm, a former commander of specialist operations for the Metropolitan Police, said that the rules had been changed to permit officers to "shoot to kill" potential suicide bombers, claiming headshots are the safest way to kill the suspect without risk of detonating devices.

    Based in part on advice from the security forces of Israel and Sri Lanka—two countries with experience of suicide bombings—Operation Kratos guidelines allegedly state that the head or lower limbs should be aimed at when a suspected suicide bomber appears to have no intention of surrendering. This is contrary to the usual practice of aiming at the torso, which presents the biggest target, since a hit to the torso may detonate an explosive belt.
     

    Replies: @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Gordo, @NickG

    Knife? Irrelevant. Shooting to kill 7 times in the back from close proximity could have been justified only under an anti-terrorist procedure that Blake was about to reach the trigger of a bomb like a suicide vest.

    What are you talking about? The police are justified in shooting a criminal in the back in many types of cases. There isn’t any rule, or reason, that your obscure terrorism example is the only condition.
    The cops have a duty to stop criminals, safeguard the public, and safeguard themselves. When a criminal resists and his resistance turns potentially deadly, as surely happened in this case, the cops can shoot him in the back, the front, the side, or where ever is handy. And they can shoot him once, seven times, or 50 times if that is what it takes.
    It isn’t a boxing match with Marquess de Queensberry rules.

  35. The young rifle-bearing hero was something entirely new. The disciplined reflexes of a generation which renounces the late 20th century and all its works.

  36. @utu
    Knife? Irrelevant. Shooting to kill 7 times in the back from close proximity could have been justified only under an anti-terrorist procedure that Blake was about to reach the trigger of a bomb like a suicide vest.

    Shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

    Two officers fired a total of eleven shots according to the number of empty shell casings found on the floor of the train afterwards. Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder at close range and died at the scene. An eyewitness later said that the eleven shots were fired over a thirty-second period, at three-second intervals.

    It emerged that hollow-point bullets had been employed [...] These bullets are widely used in law enforcement, where it may often be necessary to quickly stop an armed assailant while minimising the risk of collateral damage posed by the use of full metal jacket ammunition.

    Much discussion following the shooting centred on the rules of engagement followed by armed police when dealing with suspected suicide bombers. Roy Ramm, a former commander of specialist operations for the Metropolitan Police, said that the rules had been changed to permit officers to "shoot to kill" potential suicide bombers, claiming headshots are the safest way to kill the suspect without risk of detonating devices.

    Based in part on advice from the security forces of Israel and Sri Lanka—two countries with experience of suicide bombings—Operation Kratos guidelines allegedly state that the head or lower limbs should be aimed at when a suspected suicide bomber appears to have no intention of surrendering. This is contrary to the usual practice of aiming at the torso, which presents the biggest target, since a hit to the torso may detonate an explosive belt.
     

    Replies: @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Gordo, @NickG

    Right, the officers should have let Blake retrieve his weapon of choice from his car, and only then should they have selected the situationally appropriate countermeasure from their utility belts.

    /s

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Almost Missouri

    Granted, but advocatus diaboli since we now know that one single cop was responsible for seven bullet holes, isn't it likely he was himself out of control? Cops are generally trained to control themselves, right?

    Heat of the moment? That's exactly what cops are supposed to be trained to deal with. I can't see how this required multiple shots from one cop, much less seven.

  37. What is it that, when in the hands of a black man, can be deadlier than a knife or a gun?

    A poor decision.

  38. He was conscious and could talk after being tased and then shot 7 times? Jacob Blake should be Marvel’s next superhero: NoTaseMan.

    He has nothing on mafioso Peter Chiodo, who survived when his turncoat henchmen put 12 to 21 bullets in him. It helped that Chiodo weighed 500 lbs. Hard to find the vital organs in that.

    Chiodo is reportedly in the Witness Protection Program.

    https://mafia.wikia.org/wiki/Peter_Chiodo

    http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/blogs/profile-lucchese-family-capo-fat-pete-chiodo

    • Replies: @Jon
    @Reg Cæsar


    It helped that Chiodo weighed 500 lbs. Hard to find the vital organs in that.
    Chiodo is reportedly in the Witness Protection Program.
     
    How?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  39. Did anyone happen to notice Jacob Blake was wearing a wife-beater?

  40. A lot of these smaller town cops seem like DMV employees with guns. Why wasn’t this guy cuffed when they had him on the ground?

    Well maybe a knee on his neck would have subdued him… oh wait, never mind.

    It’s like all those military that got killed in Iraq thanks to the rules of engagement from the vile Boosh. The rules make the game. For law enforcement, the game is rigged.

  41. Whether or not he actually had a gun in his car is irrelevant. If a perp already has a rap sheet, already has an arrest warrant, is already in the process of committing another crime, has already resisted arrest and assaulted officers, and has withstood several taser attempts (usually a sign of drugs), and then makes a beeline for his vehicle, you do not under any circumstances allow him to get into that vehicle.

    At the very best and most optimistic, he’s trying to make a reckless getaway and will probably kill or injure several people with the vehicle itself. But it’s far more likely he’s going for some kind of weapon.

    At least St. Floyd had the appearance of police brutality, albeit with plenty of deceptive editing and journalism required to give it that appearance. This was a completely justified shooting that would not even raise a single eyebrow on an episode of Cops.

    • Agree: Alden
  42. @Reg Cæsar

    He was conscious and could talk after being tased and then shot 7 times? Jacob Blake should be Marvel’s next superhero: NoTaseMan.
     
    He has nothing on mafioso Peter Chiodo, who survived when his turncoat henchmen put 12 to 21 bullets in him. It helped that Chiodo weighed 500 lbs. Hard to find the vital organs in that.

    Chiodo is reportedly in the Witness Protection Program.

    https://mafia.wikia.org/wiki/Peter_Chiodo

    http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/blogs/profile-lucchese-family-capo-fat-pete-chiodo

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5a/03/73/5a0373c80cb14f74d07d90d409092661.jpg

    Replies: @Jon

    It helped that Chiodo weighed 500 lbs. Hard to find the vital organs in that.
    Chiodo is reportedly in the Witness Protection Program.

    How?

    • LOL: Mr McKenna, Rob McX
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jon


    How?
     
    Jenny Craig? Dick Gregory?
  43. Wisconsin DOJ

    Is this pronounced “dodge”? Should be.

  44. @Jon
    @Reg Cæsar


    It helped that Chiodo weighed 500 lbs. Hard to find the vital organs in that.
    Chiodo is reportedly in the Witness Protection Program.
     
    How?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    How?

    Jenny Craig? Dick Gregory?

  45. @216
    Here we go again

    https://twitter.com/4everNeverTrump/status/1298784656968388609

    Replies: @bruce county

    Link??

  46. White guy did the exact same thing as Jake Blake and didn’t get shot 7 times, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, but 7 times in the back. The white guy didn’t get shot at all.

    • Replies: @anon
    @obwandiyag

    White guy did the exact same thing as Jake Blake and didn’t get shot 7 times, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, but 7 times in the back. The white guy didn’t get shot at all.

    I also knew a white guy who shot himself, and yet strangely, all the other white people in town didn't start looting stores either.

    Weird, huh?

    , @Tusk
    @obwandiyag

    Source on a White guy in possession of a weapon, or reaching for a weapon, who wasn't shot be police?

    , @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @obwandiyag

    Have you a link or are you just reading Twitter out loud again.

    , @bruce county
    @obwandiyag

    Mr. Oblongagi....Being shot eight times in the back would be considered extremely "outrageous" and would only lead to looting and violence. So cops try to limit their shots to under eight. This cuts down on operating costs as well.

    Policing the negro population is a very expensive operation and is extremely dangerous.

    Negros just can't follow orders. It's a crap shoot who gets shot and who does not.
    Comply or die.

  47. @vhrm
    I don't know if the kids in the SUV were the kids of the gf he was having a fight with or not (and i don't know if the cops knew at the time either).

    However killing kids to "punish" the other parent is a reasonably well known thing, especially in "murder-suicide" type events.

    The guy had just fought with the police and was tasered and is ignoring police demands that he stop and is getting into the SUV with the knife.

    It was not unreasonable to think at that moment that there's a significant chance that this man intended to knife the kids.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Bucky, @ScarletNumber, @gutta percha

    However killing kids to “punish” the other parent is a reasonably well known thing, especially in “murder-suicide” type events.

    Yes, but it’s something only the moms do, not the dads.

    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @ScarletNumber

    Well, the moms know whose kids they are, sort of.

    , @vhrm
    @ScarletNumber

    Moms probably do it more but the first page of results here has 6 or 7 different cases of dads doing it, so it's not THAT rare.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=father+kills+kids+spite

    Point is though that the cops were heard yelling "drop the knife" before shooting the dude.

    I think there's a significant chance that the proximity of children raised the stakes for the cop.

    In any case, just like the Floyd case, i don't see how the cop doesn't get off.

  48. @Almost Missouri
    @utu

    Right, the officers should have let Blake retrieve his weapon of choice from his car, and only then should they have selected the situationally appropriate countermeasure from their utility belts.

    /s

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Granted, but advocatus diaboli since we now know that one single cop was responsible for seven bullet holes, isn’t it likely he was himself out of control? Cops are generally trained to control themselves, right?

    Heat of the moment? That’s exactly what cops are supposed to be trained to deal with. I can’t see how this required multiple shots from one cop, much less seven.

  49. after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.

    Shouldn’t it say ex-boyfriend? If they were actually married, they of course he’d be her husband until there was a legal divorce. But boyfriend has no official legal status.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @International Jew


    boyfriend has no official legal status
     
    No, but girlfriend does, especially if she has a rich white boyfriend.
  50. @International Jew

    after a female caller reported that her boyfriend was present and was not supposed to be on the premises.
     
    Shouldn't it say ex-boyfriend? If they were actually married, they of course he'd be her husband until there was a legal divorce. But boyfriend has no official legal status.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    boyfriend has no official legal status

    No, but girlfriend does, especially if she has a rich white boyfriend.

  51. anon[130] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag
    White guy did the exact same thing as Jake Blake and didn't get shot 7 times, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, but 7 times in the back. The white guy didn't get shot at all.

    Replies: @anon, @Tusk, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @bruce county

    White guy did the exact same thing as Jake Blake and didn’t get shot 7 times, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, but 7 times in the back. The white guy didn’t get shot at all.

    I also knew a white guy who shot himself, and yet strangely, all the other white people in town didn’t start looting stores either.

    Weird, huh?

  52. @obwandiyag
    White guy did the exact same thing as Jake Blake and didn't get shot 7 times, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, but 7 times in the back. The white guy didn't get shot at all.

    Replies: @anon, @Tusk, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @bruce county

    Source on a White guy in possession of a weapon, or reaching for a weapon, who wasn’t shot be police?

  53. @vhrm
    I don't know if the kids in the SUV were the kids of the gf he was having a fight with or not (and i don't know if the cops knew at the time either).

    However killing kids to "punish" the other parent is a reasonably well known thing, especially in "murder-suicide" type events.

    The guy had just fought with the police and was tasered and is ignoring police demands that he stop and is getting into the SUV with the knife.

    It was not unreasonable to think at that moment that there's a significant chance that this man intended to knife the kids.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Bucky, @ScarletNumber, @gutta percha

    “I don’t know if the kids in the SUV were the kids of the gf”

    I read somewhere that Jacob Swisscheese has six children at age 29.

    When will women learn to pick their lovers more carefully? I’m guessing, ummmm, never.

    If he has six living children, how many of his other children have been aborted? Perhaps the same number.

    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @gutta percha

    Six he admits to, sixteen he sorta knows about, sixty he's actually 'fathered'.

    , @Pericles
    @gutta percha



    I read somewhere that Jacob Swisscheese has six children at age 29.

     

    So he was about to become a grandparent.
  54. @ScarletNumber
    @vhrm


    However killing kids to “punish” the other parent is a reasonably well known thing, especially in “murder-suicide” type events.
     
    Yes, but it's something only the moms do, not the dads.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @vhrm

    Well, the moms know whose kids they are, sort of.

  55. @obwandiyag
    White guy did the exact same thing as Jake Blake and didn't get shot 7 times, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, but 7 times in the back. The white guy didn't get shot at all.

    Replies: @anon, @Tusk, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @bruce county

    Have you a link or are you just reading Twitter out loud again.

    • LOL: Rob McX
  56. Anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    Tasers don’t work much of the time. Two barbed darts have to hit the suspect and stick. But also they need to be far enough apart that a foot or so of muscle tissue gets current flow. This means they don’t work that well when shot closer than six or eight feet, since the darts don’t have time to diverge.

  57. He was conscious and could talk after being tased and then shot 7 times? Jacob Blake should be Marvel’s next superhero: NoTaseMan.

    That could explain the seven shots, which some commenters are saying was excessive. He probably kept moving (and maybe talking) as one bullet after another hit him. There are cases where the last act of a dying criminal was to shoot the guy who killed him.

    • Replies: @S
    @Rob McX


    There are cases where the last act of a dying criminal was to shoot the guy who killed him.
     
    During the George Zimmerman trial there was documented testimony about a man having his heart completely eviscerated by a shotgun blast to the chest but still surviving long enough (with more or less no heart)to run from one end of a house to the other before collapsing.
  58. it’s not unusual to be shot several times with a handgun and not only live, but be talking with the authorities within a few hours of the shooting, after surgery. especially if you didn’t get shot in the head. after the 1986 Miami shootout, FBI spent 20 years trying to make handguns MORE dangerous.

    back in the late 80s, when hospitals were smaller and lots of them had two person rooms for space reasons, my dad’s dad had the great misfortune of having to be in one side of a two person hospital room where the police brought a drug dealer they had shot up and then crashed his car.

    guy spent 12 hours yelling and swearing at the police after surgery and my grandfather had to hear all of it as he lay there recovering from his own diverticulitis surgery a day before. needless to say it was horrible, and the drug dealer’s lawyer even apologized to us afterwards.

    compare this to how those guys in Wisconsin did after being shot 1 single time with a rifle. 3 shots fired, 2 kills, 1 arm blow off.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @prime noticer


    it’s not unusual to be shot several times with a handgun and not only live, but be talking with the authorities within a few hours of the shooting, after surgery. especially if you didn’t get shot in the head. after the 1986 Miami shootout, FBI spent 20 years trying to make handguns MORE dangerous.
     
    That Miami case supports what I said in a previous comment. The cop couldn't be sure Blake wouldn't kill him unless he kept shooting him. If I remember rightly, one of the Miami shooters killed at least one law enforcement officer after he himself had been fatally shot.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  59. @obwandiyag
    White guy did the exact same thing as Jake Blake and didn't get shot 7 times, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, but 7 times in the back. The white guy didn't get shot at all.

    Replies: @anon, @Tusk, @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @bruce county

    Mr. Oblongagi….Being shot eight times in the back would be considered extremely “outrageous” and would only lead to looting and violence. So cops try to limit their shots to under eight. This cuts down on operating costs as well.

    Policing the negro population is a very expensive operation and is extremely dangerous.

    Negros just can’t follow orders. It’s a crap shoot who gets shot and who does not.
    Comply or die.

  60. @ScarletNumber
    @vhrm


    However killing kids to “punish” the other parent is a reasonably well known thing, especially in “murder-suicide” type events.
     
    Yes, but it's something only the moms do, not the dads.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @vhrm

    Moms probably do it more but the first page of results here has 6 or 7 different cases of dads doing it, so it’s not THAT rare.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=father+kills+kids+spite

    Point is though that the cops were heard yelling “drop the knife” before shooting the dude.

    I think there’s a significant chance that the proximity of children raised the stakes for the cop.

    In any case, just like the Floyd case, i don’t see how the cop doesn’t get off.

  61. @prime noticer
    it's not unusual to be shot several times with a handgun and not only live, but be talking with the authorities within a few hours of the shooting, after surgery. especially if you didn't get shot in the head. after the 1986 Miami shootout, FBI spent 20 years trying to make handguns MORE dangerous.

    back in the late 80s, when hospitals were smaller and lots of them had two person rooms for space reasons, my dad's dad had the great misfortune of having to be in one side of a two person hospital room where the police brought a drug dealer they had shot up and then crashed his car.

    guy spent 12 hours yelling and swearing at the police after surgery and my grandfather had to hear all of it as he lay there recovering from his own diverticulitis surgery a day before. needless to say it was horrible, and the drug dealer's lawyer even apologized to us afterwards.

    compare this to how those guys in Wisconsin did after being shot 1 single time with a rifle. 3 shots fired, 2 kills, 1 arm blow off.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    it’s not unusual to be shot several times with a handgun and not only live, but be talking with the authorities within a few hours of the shooting, after surgery. especially if you didn’t get shot in the head. after the 1986 Miami shootout, FBI spent 20 years trying to make handguns MORE dangerous.

    That Miami case supports what I said in a previous comment. The cop couldn’t be sure Blake wouldn’t kill him unless he kept shooting him. If I remember rightly, one of the Miami shooters killed at least one law enforcement officer after he himself had been fatally shot.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Rob McX



    If I remember rightly, one of the Miami shooters killed at least one law enforcement officer after he himself had been fatally shot.
     
    (It's odd that this topic should crop up again so soon; I was reading about this very incident scarcely two weeks ago.)

    The chap you're thinking of is Michael Platt, one of the two bad guys in that shootout.

    As you say, he was fatally wounded, but the nature of the wound was an internal haemorrhage. Briefly, one of his lungs was gunshot damaged and he slowly bled to death over the course of minutes (it is difficult to say exactly how long). When they opened him up later, they discovered nearly a litre-and-a-half of blood in his chest cavity.

    Platt was shot twelve times before he finally succumbed to his injuries.

    (And, yes: I did a double-take when I first read that figure, too.)

    Platt's companion, William Matix, died after being shot a mere half-dozen times.

    Between them, they killed two and wounded five of the eight FBI agents who were shooting at them. Only one FBI fella walked away uninjured.

    (And, no, neither bad guy was on drugs; I had wondered about that, too.)


    The cop couldn’t be sure Blake wouldn’t kill him unless he kept shooting him.

     

    Yes, that's the crux of the problem in any shootout: how many bullets will it take to incapacitate a particular "someone"?

    Because everyone's body is slightly different (anatomy books give the approximate locations of everything) and bullets do not always behave exactly the same way every time they are fired, there aren't many hard-and-fast answers. To say nothing of drugs and how they can dull pain and keep people going.

    That's why the police officer shooting eight times is not as outrageous as it may at first seem. Sure, maybe the first round took down Mr. Blake, but maybe he didn't go down until the eighth bullet hit him.

    The only guy who can say for certain is the cop who was in fear for his life and fired his weapon. And let's face it: while he saved himself, his life is never going to be the same again.

    Frankly, when I think of how easily this entire ghastly mess could have been avoided, I find myself having fantasies about Mr. Blake's father beating his idiot son over the head with his new wheelchair.

    I am sorry Mr. Blake is in a wheelchair at age 29, but he is the one who set the events in motion that put him there. Some people only learn the hard way.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  62. The new black Miranda:

    You have the right to walk away.

  63. @Alden
    A young White man, Kyle Rittenhouse age 17 of Antioch Il was arrested for 2 first degree homicide. He was the brave young White man who shot the 2 black protestors in Kenosha WI. I’m sure all those good Wisconsin Lutheran German will prosecute him and send him off to prison for life. Just to make sure, they’ll move the trial to Milwaukee with its 38 percent black population.

    So much for White resistance to the revolution. A 17 year old. What are White men doing to stop it?

    In other news,,a local BLM coordinator was arrested in San Louis Obispo, home of Cal Poly university. A bus load of BLM protestors came immediately from Los Angels to protest and riot. .

    Replies: @Alden

    The protestors Kyle Rittenhouse killed weren’t black. They were White. Joseph Rosenbaum, Wisconsin state registered sex offender 53142 and Anthony Huber. Huber pled guilty to strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment Re: a domestic abuse altercation in which he used a dangerous weapon.

    The injured rioter, Gaige Grosskreutz, has a criminal record of criminal burglary and because of his criminal record is not allowed to be in possession of firearms. Yet he was peacefully shooting a handgun at Rittenhouse when he was shot.

    These must be the grandchildren of 1960s rioters.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Alden


    They were White. Joseph Rosenbaum, Wisconsin state registered sex offender 53142 and Anthony Huber....The injured rioter, Gaige Grosskreutz
     
    They were apparently German, too.
    , @Hibernian
    @Alden

    I have the misfortune of living only a few blocks away from Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. I used to regularly pass their townhouse when running in a local park. Fortunately I've never seen them. Bill is an education professor at a state school. In one of the few rational acts by a Kennedy, one of Bobby's kids, I think the one who left the East Coast for Chicago and worked at their Merchandise Mart, and later ran for Governor, opposed his hiring because of a statement by Ayers excusing or even condoning, maybe at least faintly praising, Sirhan Sirhan. I think Bill and Bernardine were, maybe informally, foster parents of the looney DA of SF.

    Replies: @S, @S, @Almost Missouri

    , @S
    @Alden


    These must be the grandchildren of 1960s rioters.
     
    The ones shot in Kenosha were a random sampling of the looters, arsonists, and rioters, also known by the corporate mass media as 'peaceful protestors'...ie, if the reports are correct, a sex offender, a multiple felon involving domestic battery, another felon (burglary) with a gun he wasn't supposed to be in possession of.

    And the media is falling all over themselves to laud and support these people.

    Appropriate lyrics from the Rolling Stones 'Sympathy for the Devil' released during the parallel year of 1968...


    Just as every cop is a criminal
    And all the sinners saints
    As heads is tails
    Just call me Lucifer
    'Cause I'm in need of some restraint
     
    And, from the Good Book, Isaiah 5:20...

    Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
     
    https://celebritiesdeaths.com/kenosha-shooting-garrett-foster-anthony-huber-and-joseph-rosenbaum-shot-and-killed-by-kyle-rittenhouse/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathy_for_the_Devil

  64. @gutta percha
    @vhrm

    "I don’t know if the kids in the SUV were the kids of the gf"

    I read somewhere that Jacob Swisscheese has six children at age 29.

    When will women learn to pick their lovers more carefully? I'm guessing, ummmm, never.

    If he has six living children, how many of his other children have been aborted? Perhaps the same number.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Pericles

    Six he admits to, sixteen he sorta knows about, sixty he’s actually ‘fathered’.

  65. @Larry, San Francisco
    @Buffalo Joe

    There was a good column in FrontPage about the death of Cannon Hinnant.
    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/08/democrats-killed-cannon-hinnant-and-george-floyd-daniel-greenfield/

    In the article he noted that:


    The media is pumping out a steady diet of black victims and white perpetrators. Even if the perpetrating usually seems to involve calling the police in a potentially dangerous situation. But the police forces, many of them run by or filled with minorities, aren’t oppressing black communities, they’re protecting them. Because there are plenty of black Cannons.
    Three children are shot on average every week in Philly. The cops aren’t shooting them.
     
    This really made me think. It is really sad that the big social justice movement will end up causing more black (and maybe non-black people) to die. It is inline with the environmental movement's belief in imminent global catastrophe from carbon while by opposing nuclear power, causing CO2 to increase (see Germany, for example).






















































    +

    Replies: @Pericles

    It is really sad that the big social justice movement will end up causing more black (and maybe non-black people) to die.

    I dunno, is it?

    • Replies: @Herzog
    @Pericles

    Have been asking myself the same question lately. I notice how my supplies of calm and composure are slowly being depleted.

  66. @Alfa158
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I haven’t watched spectator sports in 40 years. When did announcers start delivering lectures on subjects like domestic violence? How about regular flossing; are they lecturing the viewers on the importance of flossing everyday?
    Why?

    Replies: @Pericles

    Could be the announcers were lecturing the players.

  67. @gutta percha
    @vhrm

    "I don’t know if the kids in the SUV were the kids of the gf"

    I read somewhere that Jacob Swisscheese has six children at age 29.

    When will women learn to pick their lovers more carefully? I'm guessing, ummmm, never.

    If he has six living children, how many of his other children have been aborted? Perhaps the same number.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @Pericles

    I read somewhere that Jacob Swisscheese has six children at age 29.

    So he was about to become a grandparent.

  68. @Almost Missouri
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Also, as was pointed out by a commenter on a recent Kenosha thread, since the Violence Against Women Act*, it has become almost mandatory for police to arrest the boyfriend when the woman calls up to complain about him, as Jacob Blake's girlfriend did. So it's not just a case of "do Black Lives Matter or MeToo?", it's that MeToo ( = Lady Lives Matter = VAWA ) is on a perpetual collision course with Black Lives Matter. And of course, it is the ordinary street patrolman who gets to settle these irreconcilable differences. Do you let the accused go and become a VAWA villain, or do you collar him by any means necessary and become a BLM baddie?

    My advice: if you become a BLM baddie, the city will burn. Better to be a VAWA villain. "Feminists" haven't arsoned any towns yet. Until they do, BLM wins the intersectionality sweepstakes. Of course, if a governor chooses to restore law and order, then VAWA might have a chance again. Craven pseudo-governor Tony Evers certainly won't. And as long as young women continue to "protest" in support of Black men's right to felonize at will, it's unlikely any other governor will either. So, it sucks to be a VAWAista, but what can one say? They're making their own bed.

    ------

    *Shepherded through the Senate by ... [checks notes] ... some guy named Joe Biden.

    Replies: @Alden

    GF didn’t just call the police for no reason. A judge granted a restraining order against him to stay away from her and her home. He violated that order.

    It wasn’t a DV situation. It was violation of a restraining order. Normally, when the RO violater is calm, the police just tell him or her to leave and follow him or her to make sure he or she doesn’t come back.

    When he refused to leave, he went beserk probably on drugs and started the incident in which he was shot and arrested, a police officer is charged with attempted murder and a town is being destroyed.

    Rodney King was driving more than 100 miles an hour with 2 terrified passengers in the car and was so drugged up on PCP it took about 10 officers to arrest him

    Blake was convicted of statutory rape of a 14 year old. Hope she didn’t get pregnant and have another life long welfare baby.

    You’re one of the MEN OF UNZ who advocate for the end of sex molestation of minors. Okay, you don’t give a rat’s ass about morals and protection of minors. But if you pay taxes you should be aware that many of the victims of statutory rape do get pregnant and end up in lifelong welfare with their welfare babies who grow up to augment the ever growing underclass.

    Given the way Blake insanely reacted when GF told him to leave and police arrived and ordered him to leave, I would say there was an excellent reason for that restraining order to be issued.

    Another dis functional drugged up marginally employed black thugs with welfare kids by different women and you’re defending him.

    Well, you’ve been defending Epstein and Maxwell all along I’m not surprised you’re defending Blake.

    Leads me to wonder how many domestic violence situations you’ve been in.

    Get together with the rest of the woody Allen look alike creeps and start a we hate White women group therapy blog.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Alden


    Well, you’ve been defending Epstein and Maxwell all along I’m not surprised you’re defending Blake.
     
    I've been reading iSteve for a long time and I do not recall anyone defending either of these two.

    Alden, you make some excellent comments most of the time, but these anti-male diatribes border on the unhinged. Nobody here hates women, not even Whiskey. But some of us think that some of the things some women believe and do are not good for our society long term.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Alden


    GF didn’t just call the police for no reason. A judge granted a restraining order against him to stay away from her and her home. He violated that order.
     
    I had heard that too, but wasn't able to confirm it, so I wrote that his girlfriend called police "to complain about him", which still allows for the possibility that he was violating a restraining order.

    It wasn’t a DV situation. It was violation of a restraining order. Normally, when the RO violater is calm, the police just tell him or her to leave and follow him or her to make sure he or she doesn’t come back.

    When he refused to leave, he went beserk probably on drugs and started the incident in which he was shot and arrested, a police officer is charged with attempted murder and a town is being destroyed.
     
    I don't disagree, but I wasn't able to confirm that, so I left it out.

    Rodney King was driving more than 100 miles an hour with 2 terrified passengers in the car and was so drugged up on PCP it took about 10 officers to arrest him

    Blake was convicted of statutory rape of a 14 year old. Hope she didn’t get pregnant and have another life long welfare baby.
     
    Agree and agree.

    You’re one of the MEN OF UNZ who advocate for the end of sex molestation of minors. Okay, you don’t give a rat’s ass about morals and protection of minors. But if you pay taxes you should be aware that many of the victims of statutory rape do get pregnant and end up in lifelong welfare with their welfare babies who grow up to augment the ever growing underclass.
     
    It's things like this that make me think you are responding to the wrong comment. WTF are you referring to?

    Given the way Blake insanely reacted when GF told him to leave and police arrived and ordered him to leave, I would say there was an excellent reason for that restraining order to be issued.
     
    Assuming there was a restraining order, I agree. In any case, given the perp's criminal record, which the police were probably aware of, and his wrong behavior at the scene, I don't fault the police.

    Another dis functional drugged up marginally employed black thugs with welfare kids by different women and you’re defending him.
     
    Where?

    Well, you’ve been defending Epstein and Maxwell all along I’m not surprised you’re defending Blake.
     
    Jesus, lady, are you off your meds? Where are you getting this? I despise Epstain and would cheerfully have executed him myself.

    Leads me to wonder how many domestic violence situations you’ve been in.
     
    Zero, if you must know, though I've threatened domestic violence in defense of my wife.

    Get together with the rest of the woody Allen look alike creeps and start a we hate White women group therapy blog.
     
    Whatever. I hope you get reacquainted with reality soon.
  69. @Anonymous

    As I point out in my latest Taki’s Magazine column “The Social Construction of Black Self-Destruction,” the new Zeroth Amendment to the Constitution reads “No Black man need submit to being arrested if He’s really not in the mood to be arrested.”
     
    Lawyers say you should never talk to the police, no matter the circumstance. Even if you're a completely upstanding, law abiding citizen, have done nothing wrong, are only telling the truth or seemingly inconsequential details, they say you shouldn't talk to them:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

    Replies: @Alden, @Jack D

    What if you’re the victim of a crime and the responding officers ask you to describe the perp?
    Or you actually know the criminal and can give his name?

  70. @utu
    Knife? Irrelevant. Shooting to kill 7 times in the back from close proximity could have been justified only under an anti-terrorist procedure that Blake was about to reach the trigger of a bomb like a suicide vest.

    Shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

    Two officers fired a total of eleven shots according to the number of empty shell casings found on the floor of the train afterwards. Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder at close range and died at the scene. An eyewitness later said that the eleven shots were fired over a thirty-second period, at three-second intervals.

    It emerged that hollow-point bullets had been employed [...] These bullets are widely used in law enforcement, where it may often be necessary to quickly stop an armed assailant while minimising the risk of collateral damage posed by the use of full metal jacket ammunition.

    Much discussion following the shooting centred on the rules of engagement followed by armed police when dealing with suspected suicide bombers. Roy Ramm, a former commander of specialist operations for the Metropolitan Police, said that the rules had been changed to permit officers to "shoot to kill" potential suicide bombers, claiming headshots are the safest way to kill the suspect without risk of detonating devices.

    Based in part on advice from the security forces of Israel and Sri Lanka—two countries with experience of suicide bombings—Operation Kratos guidelines allegedly state that the head or lower limbs should be aimed at when a suspected suicide bomber appears to have no intention of surrendering. This is contrary to the usual practice of aiming at the torso, which presents the biggest target, since a hit to the torso may detonate an explosive belt.
     

    Replies: @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Gordo, @NickG

    Knife? Irrelevant. Shooting to kill 7 times in the back from close proximity could have been justified only under an anti-terrorist procedure that Blake was about to reach the trigger of a bomb like a suicide vest.

    Can’t agree, the chappie had a record of violence against children and accessed a carload of children with a knife in his hand.

  71. @utu
    Knife? Irrelevant. Shooting to kill 7 times in the back from close proximity could have been justified only under an anti-terrorist procedure that Blake was about to reach the trigger of a bomb like a suicide vest.

    Shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

    Two officers fired a total of eleven shots according to the number of empty shell casings found on the floor of the train afterwards. Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder at close range and died at the scene. An eyewitness later said that the eleven shots were fired over a thirty-second period, at three-second intervals.

    It emerged that hollow-point bullets had been employed [...] These bullets are widely used in law enforcement, where it may often be necessary to quickly stop an armed assailant while minimising the risk of collateral damage posed by the use of full metal jacket ammunition.

    Much discussion following the shooting centred on the rules of engagement followed by armed police when dealing with suspected suicide bombers. Roy Ramm, a former commander of specialist operations for the Metropolitan Police, said that the rules had been changed to permit officers to "shoot to kill" potential suicide bombers, claiming headshots are the safest way to kill the suspect without risk of detonating devices.

    Based in part on advice from the security forces of Israel and Sri Lanka—two countries with experience of suicide bombings—Operation Kratos guidelines allegedly state that the head or lower limbs should be aimed at when a suspected suicide bomber appears to have no intention of surrendering. This is contrary to the usual practice of aiming at the torso, which presents the biggest target, since a hit to the torso may detonate an explosive belt.
     

    Replies: @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Gordo, @NickG

    Knife? Irrelevant. Shooting to kill 7 times in the back from close proximity could have been justified only under an anti-terrorist procedure that Blake was about to reach the trigger of a bomb like a suicide vest

    Not at all. Someone a car length from you with a knife can close that distance and stab you multiple times in an instant, Google the Tueller drill.

  72. @Rob McX

    He was conscious and could talk after being tased and then shot 7 times? Jacob Blake should be Marvel’s next superhero: NoTaseMan.
     
    That could explain the seven shots, which some commenters are saying was excessive. He probably kept moving (and maybe talking) as one bullet after another hit him. There are cases where the last act of a dying criminal was to shoot the guy who killed him.

    Replies: @S

    There are cases where the last act of a dying criminal was to shoot the guy who killed him.

    During the George Zimmerman trial there was documented testimony about a man having his heart completely eviscerated by a shotgun blast to the chest but still surviving long enough (with more or less no heart)to run from one end of a house to the other before collapsing.

  73. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    No officer of the law may arrest an aristocrat, at least since 500 B.C., and attested to by the Greeks (sometimes).

    If you are a Black criminal, you have aristocratic privilege.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    No officer of the law may arrest an aristocrat, at least since 500 B.C., and attested to by the Greeks (sometimes).

    Citation?

  74. @Alden
    @Alden

    The protestors Kyle Rittenhouse killed weren’t black. They were White. Joseph Rosenbaum, Wisconsin state registered sex offender 53142 and Anthony Huber. Huber pled guilty to strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment Re: a domestic abuse altercation in which he used a dangerous weapon.

    The injured rioter, Gaige Grosskreutz, has a criminal record of criminal burglary and because of his criminal record is not allowed to be in possession of firearms. Yet he was peacefully shooting a handgun at Rittenhouse when he was shot.

    These must be the grandchildren of 1960s rioters.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @S

    They were White. Joseph Rosenbaum, Wisconsin state registered sex offender 53142 and Anthony Huber….The injured rioter, Gaige Grosskreutz

    They were apparently German, too.

  75. @Alden
    @Alden

    The protestors Kyle Rittenhouse killed weren’t black. They were White. Joseph Rosenbaum, Wisconsin state registered sex offender 53142 and Anthony Huber. Huber pled guilty to strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment Re: a domestic abuse altercation in which he used a dangerous weapon.

    The injured rioter, Gaige Grosskreutz, has a criminal record of criminal burglary and because of his criminal record is not allowed to be in possession of firearms. Yet he was peacefully shooting a handgun at Rittenhouse when he was shot.

    These must be the grandchildren of 1960s rioters.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @S

    I have the misfortune of living only a few blocks away from Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. I used to regularly pass their townhouse when running in a local park. Fortunately I’ve never seen them. Bill is an education professor at a state school. In one of the few rational acts by a Kennedy, one of Bobby’s kids, I think the one who left the East Coast for Chicago and worked at their Merchandise Mart, and later ran for Governor, opposed his hiring because of a statement by Ayers excusing or even condoning, maybe at least faintly praising, Sirhan Sirhan. I think Bill and Bernardine were, maybe informally, foster parents of the looney DA of SF.

    • Replies: @S
    @Hibernian


    I have the misfortune of living only a few blocks away from Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.
     
    Interesting. I'd not heard about Bill Dohrn's comments regarding Sirhan Sirhan.

    Of course Bernadine Dohrn is known for her infamous statement regarding Sharon Tate and the Manson Family in 1969.

    Nice people...


    In a speech during the December 1969 "War Council" meeting organized by the Weathermen, attended by about 400 people in Flint, Michigan, Dohrn said, "First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they even shoved a fork into the pig Tate's stomach! Wild!" In greeting each other, delegates to the war council often spread their fingers to signify the fork.
     
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn
    , @S
    @Hibernian

    Speaking of Bernadine Dohrn and the events of today, including rioting/looting at Kenosha, this is exactly in accordance with what had been outlined in the 1969 Weatherman Manifesto, which Dohrn co-wrote.

    Blacks are seen as a 'black colony' (ie a beach head/Trojan horse) within the US government to bring it down. [As in the soon to be Illinois senate candidate, Obama, whom Bill Ayres had hosted at his house in 1995 at a 'meet the candidate' session?]

    Note how many Whites have been observed at the BLM looting events and Dohrn's comment about the best thing the Weatherman could do to support the 'black liberation struggle' was build a 'white revolutionary movement'?


    The manifesto also asserted that African-Americans were a "black colony" within a U.S. government that was doomed to overextend itself. And the RYM was needed to quicken this process. Dohrn said, "The best thing that we can be doing for ourselves, as well as for the [Black] Panthers and the revolutionary black liberation struggle, is to build a fucking white revolutionary movement."
     
    Relatedly, according to an FBI informant, Bill Ayres circa 1970 is supposed to have said it would be necessary to murder 25 million people in the United States for their revolutionary plans to suceed, and to imprison tens of millions others.

    Bernadine Dohrn in 1969...

    https://cdn.historycollection.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Bernardine-Dohrn-addresses-a-radical-gathering-in-1969.-Picture-David-Fenton-Source-Getty-Images.jpg


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Hibernian

    Apparently I was a one-time neighbor of yours.

    Cheers! I hope you are surviving the rioting.

  76. @Alden
    @Alden

    The protestors Kyle Rittenhouse killed weren’t black. They were White. Joseph Rosenbaum, Wisconsin state registered sex offender 53142 and Anthony Huber. Huber pled guilty to strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment Re: a domestic abuse altercation in which he used a dangerous weapon.

    The injured rioter, Gaige Grosskreutz, has a criminal record of criminal burglary and because of his criminal record is not allowed to be in possession of firearms. Yet he was peacefully shooting a handgun at Rittenhouse when he was shot.

    These must be the grandchildren of 1960s rioters.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hibernian, @S

    These must be the grandchildren of 1960s rioters.

    The ones shot in Kenosha were a random sampling of the looters, arsonists, and rioters, also known by the corporate mass media as ‘peaceful protestors’…ie, if the reports are correct, a sex offender, a multiple felon involving domestic battery, another felon (burglary) with a gun he wasn’t supposed to be in possession of.

    And the media is falling all over themselves to laud and support these people.

    Appropriate lyrics from the Rolling Stones ‘Sympathy for the Devil’ released during the parallel year of 1968…

    Just as every cop is a criminal
    And all the sinners saints
    As heads is tails
    Just call me Lucifer
    ‘Cause I’m in need of some restraint

    And, from the Good Book, Isaiah 5:20…

    Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

    https://celebritiesdeaths.com/kenosha-shooting-garrett-foster-anthony-huber-and-joseph-rosenbaum-shot-and-killed-by-kyle-rittenhouse/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathy_for_the_Devil

  77. @Barnard
    Are they going to release the toxicology report on Blake? Part of the absurd condemnation of the cops is that he was trying to get into the car with his kids. It would be stunning if he was within the legal limits for driving.

    Replies: @GeraldB

    Why is it that the MSM stories never seem to mention the kids? I mean, he was at his ex’s house when she had a restraining order against him. Were they her kids? Was he trying to kidnap them? Or did he bring the kids with him when he went over to harass his ex?

    I guess it’s one of those things that if we knew the answer, it would be bad for The Narrative.

  78. @Anonymous

    As I point out in my latest Taki’s Magazine column “The Social Construction of Black Self-Destruction,” the new Zeroth Amendment to the Constitution reads “No Black man need submit to being arrested if He’s really not in the mood to be arrested.”
     
    Lawyers say you should never talk to the police, no matter the circumstance. Even if you're a completely upstanding, law abiding citizen, have done nothing wrong, are only telling the truth or seemingly inconsequential details, they say you shouldn't talk to them:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

    Replies: @Alden, @Jack D

    Lawyers also say that you should obey reasonable and lawful commands of the police and not resist arrest. And that if police have a reasonable fear that they are in danger of grave bodily harm they can shoot you in self-defense. If you are going to train people in how to interact with the PoPo you need to know all of that, not just that you don’t talk to the Po-lice.

  79. S says:
    @Hibernian
    @Alden

    I have the misfortune of living only a few blocks away from Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. I used to regularly pass their townhouse when running in a local park. Fortunately I've never seen them. Bill is an education professor at a state school. In one of the few rational acts by a Kennedy, one of Bobby's kids, I think the one who left the East Coast for Chicago and worked at their Merchandise Mart, and later ran for Governor, opposed his hiring because of a statement by Ayers excusing or even condoning, maybe at least faintly praising, Sirhan Sirhan. I think Bill and Bernardine were, maybe informally, foster parents of the looney DA of SF.

    Replies: @S, @S, @Almost Missouri

    I have the misfortune of living only a few blocks away from Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

    Interesting. I’d not heard about Bill Dohrn’s comments regarding Sirhan Sirhan.

    Of course Bernadine Dohrn is known for her infamous statement regarding Sharon Tate and the Manson Family in 1969.

    Nice people…

    In a speech during the December 1969 “War Council” meeting organized by the Weathermen, attended by about 400 people in Flint, Michigan, Dohrn said, “First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they even shoved a fork into the pig Tate’s stomach! Wild!” In greeting each other, delegates to the war council often spread their fingers to signify the fork.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

  80. @Pericles
    @Larry, San Francisco


    It is really sad that the big social justice movement will end up causing more black (and maybe non-black people) to die.

     

    I dunno, is it?

    Replies: @Herzog

    Have been asking myself the same question lately. I notice how my supplies of calm and composure are slowly being depleted.

  81. @wren
    The Daily Mail says that an official says that the knife may have fallen out of his hand into the car.

    https://i1.wp.com/www.hip-hopvibe.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Jacobbanksmikethecop.jpg

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8668375/Jacob-Blake-armed-KNIFE-cops-shot-says-Wisconsin-AG.html

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    The knife in that photo (if it is a knife) looks like a Karambit. They’re not general-purpose knives.

    From the ad copy: “Karambit Knives are the ultimate self defense tool. They typically have a curved blade design and a finger hole that is ideal for close combat situations. Karambit blades are available in folding knives, automatics, fixed blades and neck knives.”

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Harry Baldwin


    The knife in that photo (if it is a knife) looks like a Karambit. They’re not general-purpose knives.

     

    For those who don't know, karambits are a nasty reverse hook blade pattern meant to open bellies and sever tendons in combat:

    https://www.karambit.com/what-is-a-karambit/
    , @anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    The knife in that photo (if it is a knife) looks like a Karambit.

    Maybe. Could also be a tile knife, used on vinyl and linoleum flooring. Usually fixed blade but some folders are also available.

    Like this:

    https://www.zoro.com/static/cms/product/large/Z-qJKvhcpEx_.JPG

  82. @Voltarde
    People respond to incentives and disincentives.

    "Working the ref" resonates with the black underclass, which is understandable given that many of their idols are black professional athletes.

    "Working the ref" has two modes:

    a) Overwrought outrage if the ref doesn't call a borderline or unproven foul/penalty against the other "team" (police, or whitey in general). It doesn't matter if the alleged foul was later shown to be completely fake (nooses, Jussie Smollett, Tawana Brawley, etc.)

    b) Overwrought outrage if the ref calls a borderline or proven foul/penalty against our "team" (long rap sheet black perps, or blacks in general). It doesn't matter if the cop's body cam later shows that the cop's action was completely justified.

    Reward (a) or (b) and you get more of the same. Sadly, rewarding (a) and (b) has been public policy in most of the developed world for the past 50 years or so.

    The end result is ultimately tragic for the black community, and everyone else. The political class ends "stop-and-frisk" in cities like NYC, and encourages "hands off" policing in general. Which results in more black murderers out on the street, mainly killing other blacks. Or believing their own "working the ref" bullshit and murdering whites.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    As a commenter at this site observed (IIRC), “Blacks regard an arrest as something between a negotiation and trial by combat.”

    Lately, more often the latter.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  83. @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    GF didn’t just call the police for no reason. A judge granted a restraining order against him to stay away from her and her home. He violated that order.

    It wasn’t a DV situation. It was violation of a restraining order. Normally, when the RO violater is calm, the police just tell him or her to leave and follow him or her to make sure he or she doesn’t come back.

    When he refused to leave, he went beserk probably on drugs and started the incident in which he was shot and arrested, a police officer is charged with attempted murder and a town is being destroyed.

    Rodney King was driving more than 100 miles an hour with 2 terrified passengers in the car and was so drugged up on PCP it took about 10 officers to arrest him

    Blake was convicted of statutory rape of a 14 year old. Hope she didn’t get pregnant and have another life long welfare baby.

    You’re one of the MEN OF UNZ who advocate for the end of sex molestation of minors. Okay, you don’t give a rat’s ass about morals and protection of minors. But if you pay taxes you should be aware that many of the victims of statutory rape do get pregnant and end up in lifelong welfare with their welfare babies who grow up to augment the ever growing underclass.

    Given the way Blake insanely reacted when GF told him to leave and police arrived and ordered him to leave, I would say there was an excellent reason for that restraining order to be issued.

    Another dis functional drugged up marginally employed black thugs with welfare kids by different women and you’re defending him.

    Well, you’ve been defending Epstein and Maxwell all along I’m not surprised you’re defending Blake.

    Leads me to wonder how many domestic violence situations you’ve been in.

    Get together with the rest of the woody Allen look alike creeps and start a we hate White women group therapy blog.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Almost Missouri

    Well, you’ve been defending Epstein and Maxwell all along I’m not surprised you’re defending Blake.

    I’ve been reading iSteve for a long time and I do not recall anyone defending either of these two.

    Alden, you make some excellent comments most of the time, but these anti-male diatribes border on the unhinged. Nobody here hates women, not even Whiskey. But some of us think that some of the things some women believe and do are not good for our society long term.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jim Don Bob



    Alden, you make some excellent comments most of the time, but these anti-male diatribes border on the unhinged.
     
    Worse, every time the phrase "MEN OF UNZ" appears, I want to start up one of those ridiculous male drumming circles and give it that very name.

    (Ron has one of the most chantable surnames ever, which doesn't help.)

    I feel sure Alden would not want the weight of such an atrocity on her conscience.
  84. S says:
    @Hibernian
    @Alden

    I have the misfortune of living only a few blocks away from Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. I used to regularly pass their townhouse when running in a local park. Fortunately I've never seen them. Bill is an education professor at a state school. In one of the few rational acts by a Kennedy, one of Bobby's kids, I think the one who left the East Coast for Chicago and worked at their Merchandise Mart, and later ran for Governor, opposed his hiring because of a statement by Ayers excusing or even condoning, maybe at least faintly praising, Sirhan Sirhan. I think Bill and Bernardine were, maybe informally, foster parents of the looney DA of SF.

    Replies: @S, @S, @Almost Missouri

    Speaking of Bernadine Dohrn and the events of today, including rioting/looting at Kenosha, this is exactly in accordance with what had been outlined in the 1969 Weatherman Manifesto, which Dohrn co-wrote.

    Blacks are seen as a ‘black colony’ (ie a beach head/Trojan horse) within the US government to bring it down. [As in the soon to be Illinois senate candidate, Obama, whom Bill Ayres had hosted at his house in 1995 at a ‘meet the candidate’ session?]

    Note how many Whites have been observed at the BLM looting events and Dohrn’s comment about the best thing the Weatherman could do to support the ‘black liberation struggle’ was build a ‘white revolutionary movement’?

    The manifesto also asserted that African-Americans were a “black colony” within a U.S. government that was doomed to overextend itself. And the RYM was needed to quicken this process. Dohrn said, “The best thing that we can be doing for ourselves, as well as for the [Black] Panthers and the revolutionary black liberation struggle, is to build a fucking white revolutionary movement.”

    Relatedly, according to an FBI informant, Bill Ayres circa 1970 is supposed to have said it would be necessary to murder 25 million people in the United States for their revolutionary plans to suceed, and to imprison tens of millions others.

    Bernadine Dohrn in 1969…

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @S


    ...according to an FBI informant...
     
    And therefore to be taken with a grain of salt. Ayers is evil, and thinks that way regardless of whether or not he said it.

    Replies: @S

  85. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob McX
    @prime noticer


    it’s not unusual to be shot several times with a handgun and not only live, but be talking with the authorities within a few hours of the shooting, after surgery. especially if you didn’t get shot in the head. after the 1986 Miami shootout, FBI spent 20 years trying to make handguns MORE dangerous.
     
    That Miami case supports what I said in a previous comment. The cop couldn't be sure Blake wouldn't kill him unless he kept shooting him. If I remember rightly, one of the Miami shooters killed at least one law enforcement officer after he himself had been fatally shot.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    If I remember rightly, one of the Miami shooters killed at least one law enforcement officer after he himself had been fatally shot.

    (It’s odd that this topic should crop up again so soon; I was reading about this very incident scarcely two weeks ago.)

    The chap you’re thinking of is Michael Platt, one of the two bad guys in that shootout.

    As you say, he was fatally wounded, but the nature of the wound was an internal haemorrhage. Briefly, one of his lungs was gunshot damaged and he slowly bled to death over the course of minutes (it is difficult to say exactly how long). When they opened him up later, they discovered nearly a litre-and-a-half of blood in his chest cavity.

    Platt was shot twelve times before he finally succumbed to his injuries.

    (And, yes: I did a double-take when I first read that figure, too.)

    Platt’s companion, William Matix, died after being shot a mere half-dozen times.

    Between them, they killed two and wounded five of the eight FBI agents who were shooting at them. Only one FBI fella walked away uninjured.

    (And, no, neither bad guy was on drugs; I had wondered about that, too.)

    The cop couldn’t be sure Blake wouldn’t kill him unless he kept shooting him.

    Yes, that’s the crux of the problem in any shootout: how many bullets will it take to incapacitate a particular “someone”?

    Because everyone’s body is slightly different (anatomy books give the approximate locations of everything) and bullets do not always behave exactly the same way every time they are fired, there aren’t many hard-and-fast answers. To say nothing of drugs and how they can dull pain and keep people going.

    That’s why the police officer shooting eight times is not as outrageous as it may at first seem. Sure, maybe the first round took down Mr. Blake, but maybe he didn’t go down until the eighth bullet hit him.

    The only guy who can say for certain is the cop who was in fear for his life and fired his weapon. And let’s face it: while he saved himself, his life is never going to be the same again.

    Frankly, when I think of how easily this entire ghastly mess could have been avoided, I find myself having fantasies about Mr. Blake’s father beating his idiot son over the head with his new wheelchair.

    I am sorry Mr. Blake is in a wheelchair at age 29, but he is the one who set the events in motion that put him there. Some people only learn the hard way.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Anonymous


    That’s why the police officer shooting eight times is not as outrageous as it may at first seem. Sure, maybe the first round took down Mr. Blake, but maybe he didn’t go down until the eighth bullet hit him.
     
    He was actually hit four times, out of seven shots fired, but your point is still valid - a cop doesn't know what's going to happen while a resisting suspect is still standing, and it's almost certain Blake didn't go down until the last shot was fired. From watching the video, I see the shooting lasted around three seconds - three seconds of pure panic for the officer. The fact that three of the shots didn't even hit Blake shows how chaotic the situation was.

    Between them, they killed two and wounded five of the eight FBI agents who were shooting at them. Only one FBI fella walked away uninjured.

    (And, no, neither bad guy was on drugs; I had wondered about that, too.)
     

    The lack of any drugs in their systems did surprise me too, as a lot of people who fight with such tenacity when fatally injured are fortified with cocaine or some other narcotic. However, they did have another incentive to keep them going to the bitter end - they were facing a murder charge (probably a capital one) if caught alive.
  86. @Harry Baldwin
    @wren

    The knife in that photo (if it is a knife) looks like a Karambit. They're not general-purpose knives.

    From the ad copy: "Karambit Knives are the ultimate self defense tool. They typically have a curved blade design and a finger hole that is ideal for close combat situations. Karambit blades are available in folding knives, automatics, fixed blades and neck knives."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @anon

    The knife in that photo (if it is a knife) looks like a Karambit. They’re not general-purpose knives.

    For those who don’t know, karambits are a nasty reverse hook blade pattern meant to open bellies and sever tendons in combat:

    https://www.karambit.com/what-is-a-karambit/

  87. There is no other country in the world where police would have shot this man. I notice that police in these bad shooting often use tasers, giving them only one free hand to restrain a suspect with. They make no real effort to restrain unarmed suspects with their hands, like police in America used to do and like they still do in the rest of the world. Instead, they use deadly weapons and threats to kill to try to control people who they know won’t listen. If they had put down the tasers and wrestled with this guy, no one would have been seriously hurt and there would have been no riots.

    These same hyper violent, non-traditional police tactics are and will be used against the dissident right. No one in our milieu should be defending these bad police killings. All you are doing by that is provoking justified anger towards whites from blacks and increasing the power of the forces who want to oppress us. Some guy is resisting arrest? One cops grabs one arm, another cop grabs the other arm, other cops pile on, relaxing when the suspect is restrained and can’t get away. No need for tasers against unarmed suspects, no need to shoot unarmed men in the back, no need to do anything that might lead to the asphyxiation of a suspect who can’t possibly get away. If police just stopped doing these ridiculous, non-traditional tactics, there would be no videos that looked bad enough to cause riots.

    The dissident right has a blind spot for this that is really hurting our ability to attract support from normal white Americans. Most normal white people are critical of the police and have compassion even for criminal suspects. They don’t want to see unnecessary killings or brutality during arrests. Too many people in our milieu act like criminal defense lawyers for the very state that is oppressing us, seizing on convoluted arguments to justify every extreme act of violence by the state against citizens. Then those same fools wonder why we can’t attract mass support from disaffected whites and remain an online movement of nerds and people with autistic personality traits. I got news for you people — white working class people, suburban middle class whites and alienated young white people, the people we need to attract, don’t love the police. They see police as oppressive tax collectors on a power trip. Only boomer style partisan Republicans love the police.

    • Replies: @anon
    @ATBOTL

    There is no other country in the world where police would have shot this man.

    Prove it, or admit that you're just another pretend "expert" on police procedure who makes it up as he goes along.

    If I want that, I have plenty of black people on Twitter I can be reading instead.

    I got news for you people — white working class people, suburban middle class whites and alienated young white people, the people we need to attract, don’t love the police. They see police as oppressive tax collectors on a power trip.

    Let's see some polling, or admit that you made it up. Because this says differently:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/175088/gallup-review-black-white-attitudes-toward-police.aspx

    , @Anonymous
    @ATBOTL

    I notice that police in these bad shooting often use tasers, giving them only one free hand to restrain a suspect with. They make no real effort to restrain unarmed suspects with their hands,
     

    I don't know what you consider a "real effort," but my understanding is that the cops did try to subdue Mr. Blake with their hands.

    Unfortunately, Mr. Blake managed to get loose: that happens sometimes. Perhaps, in this case, the officers weren't trained very well. Perhaps Mr. Blake just got lucky.

    Whatever the reason, Mr. Blake did get away from them. Sometimes all the training you can possibly give someone won't prevent this from happening.

    like police in America used to do and like they still do in the rest of the world.

     

    I wouldn't say that police in America do not attempt to subdue suspects with their hands any more.

    I would say that fighting is a brutal, ugly business. How do you convince someone filming a cop-on-bad-guy fight with their smartphone that what they are seeing is the best way that cops have available to them to subdue a suspect ?

    Perhaps more to the point: do police officers have a duty to put themselves at needless risk in order to protect criminals who, in some cases, want to fight them?

    Instead, they use deadly weapons and threats to kill to try to control people who they know won’t listen.

     

    Do you suppose it might be time that these people learned to listen?

    Sure, you can put all the blame on the cops, but wouldn't it be to the advantage of the criminals to fight the police in the courtroom rather than on the street?

    I say this because very few people get shot in courtrooms.

    Both bad guys and cops have the ability to make decisions. If someone is threatening you, or about to use a deadly weapon on you, do you suppose that some of the decisions you have made may have led to that happening?

    This stuff is not all one way.

    If they had put down the tasers and wrestled with this guy, no one would have been seriously hurt and there would have been no riots..
     

    How do you know that no one would have gotten seriously hurt had there been a part 2 to the Blake vs. cops fight?

    How much are your fingers worth? Your eyes? People lose fingers and eyes in fights.

    You are are giving the impression that fighting is a risk-free undertaking when it is anything but that. Nor is it always necessarily a matter of who is better trained: sometimes it is simply a matter of who is faster (or luckier).

    I got news for you people — white working class people, suburban middle class whites and alienated young white people, the people we need to attract, don’t love the police.

     

    If it is any help, I am not an unalloyed fan of law enforcement. Police and judges are, in my opinion, like any other group of people: there are the good, the incompetent, the overanxious, the well-meaning, and, of course, the entirely unsuited.

    Having said that, watching people make the choice to duke it out with cops gets old after a while.

    Someone would have to hate cops quite a bit not to be able to admit to themselves that no one likes to get hurt, and that cops like to go home to their families at the end of the day, same as everyone else with a job.

    No one "won" in this case. Mr. Blake, by all appearances, is going to be in a wheelchair for the rest of his days. Meanwhile, the cop who shot him has had his life irretrievably ruined, and he will never be the same, either.

    With any luck, this incident will serve as a warning to everyone.

    Police departments may, in future, decide to dedicate more training time and effort to teaching officers how to quickly and safely subdue people who decide to fight with them.

    Alternately, maybe people who are more inclined to fight with the police than not will take away the lesson that wrestling matches, knife fights, and/or gunfights do not always work out well.

    I understand what you are saying (really), but there are two sides to this thing: both sides have to have their eyes and ears open for any good to come of what is, undeniably, a tragic event.

    , @Ozymandias
    @ATBOTL


    If police just stopped doing these ridiculous, non-traditional tactics, there would be no videos that looked bad enough to cause riots.
     
    So your theory is that hundreds of videos of police physically overpowering black men is going to improve law enforcement's reputation?
  88. If Blake’s girlfriend was white, would she be a Karen getting a black man killed by cops and reinforcing white supremacy?

  89. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL
    There is no other country in the world where police would have shot this man. I notice that police in these bad shooting often use tasers, giving them only one free hand to restrain a suspect with. They make no real effort to restrain unarmed suspects with their hands, like police in America used to do and like they still do in the rest of the world. Instead, they use deadly weapons and threats to kill to try to control people who they know won't listen. If they had put down the tasers and wrestled with this guy, no one would have been seriously hurt and there would have been no riots.

    These same hyper violent, non-traditional police tactics are and will be used against the dissident right. No one in our milieu should be defending these bad police killings. All you are doing by that is provoking justified anger towards whites from blacks and increasing the power of the forces who want to oppress us. Some guy is resisting arrest? One cops grabs one arm, another cop grabs the other arm, other cops pile on, relaxing when the suspect is restrained and can't get away. No need for tasers against unarmed suspects, no need to shoot unarmed men in the back, no need to do anything that might lead to the asphyxiation of a suspect who can't possibly get away. If police just stopped doing these ridiculous, non-traditional tactics, there would be no videos that looked bad enough to cause riots.

    The dissident right has a blind spot for this that is really hurting our ability to attract support from normal white Americans. Most normal white people are critical of the police and have compassion even for criminal suspects. They don't want to see unnecessary killings or brutality during arrests. Too many people in our milieu act like criminal defense lawyers for the very state that is oppressing us, seizing on convoluted arguments to justify every extreme act of violence by the state against citizens. Then those same fools wonder why we can't attract mass support from disaffected whites and remain an online movement of nerds and people with autistic personality traits. I got news for you people -- white working class people, suburban middle class whites and alienated young white people, the people we need to attract, don't love the police. They see police as oppressive tax collectors on a power trip. Only boomer style partisan Republicans love the police.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Ozymandias

    There is no other country in the world where police would have shot this man.

    Prove it, or admit that you’re just another pretend “expert” on police procedure who makes it up as he goes along.

    If I want that, I have plenty of black people on Twitter I can be reading instead.

    I got news for you people — white working class people, suburban middle class whites and alienated young white people, the people we need to attract, don’t love the police. They see police as oppressive tax collectors on a power trip.

    Let’s see some polling, or admit that you made it up. Because this says differently:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/175088/gallup-review-black-white-attitudes-toward-police.aspx

  90. @Anonymous
    @Rob McX



    If I remember rightly, one of the Miami shooters killed at least one law enforcement officer after he himself had been fatally shot.
     
    (It's odd that this topic should crop up again so soon; I was reading about this very incident scarcely two weeks ago.)

    The chap you're thinking of is Michael Platt, one of the two bad guys in that shootout.

    As you say, he was fatally wounded, but the nature of the wound was an internal haemorrhage. Briefly, one of his lungs was gunshot damaged and he slowly bled to death over the course of minutes (it is difficult to say exactly how long). When they opened him up later, they discovered nearly a litre-and-a-half of blood in his chest cavity.

    Platt was shot twelve times before he finally succumbed to his injuries.

    (And, yes: I did a double-take when I first read that figure, too.)

    Platt's companion, William Matix, died after being shot a mere half-dozen times.

    Between them, they killed two and wounded five of the eight FBI agents who were shooting at them. Only one FBI fella walked away uninjured.

    (And, no, neither bad guy was on drugs; I had wondered about that, too.)


    The cop couldn’t be sure Blake wouldn’t kill him unless he kept shooting him.

     

    Yes, that's the crux of the problem in any shootout: how many bullets will it take to incapacitate a particular "someone"?

    Because everyone's body is slightly different (anatomy books give the approximate locations of everything) and bullets do not always behave exactly the same way every time they are fired, there aren't many hard-and-fast answers. To say nothing of drugs and how they can dull pain and keep people going.

    That's why the police officer shooting eight times is not as outrageous as it may at first seem. Sure, maybe the first round took down Mr. Blake, but maybe he didn't go down until the eighth bullet hit him.

    The only guy who can say for certain is the cop who was in fear for his life and fired his weapon. And let's face it: while he saved himself, his life is never going to be the same again.

    Frankly, when I think of how easily this entire ghastly mess could have been avoided, I find myself having fantasies about Mr. Blake's father beating his idiot son over the head with his new wheelchair.

    I am sorry Mr. Blake is in a wheelchair at age 29, but he is the one who set the events in motion that put him there. Some people only learn the hard way.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    That’s why the police officer shooting eight times is not as outrageous as it may at first seem. Sure, maybe the first round took down Mr. Blake, but maybe he didn’t go down until the eighth bullet hit him.

    He was actually hit four times, out of seven shots fired, but your point is still valid – a cop doesn’t know what’s going to happen while a resisting suspect is still standing, and it’s almost certain Blake didn’t go down until the last shot was fired. From watching the video, I see the shooting lasted around three seconds – three seconds of pure panic for the officer. The fact that three of the shots didn’t even hit Blake shows how chaotic the situation was.

    Between them, they killed two and wounded five of the eight FBI agents who were shooting at them. Only one FBI fella walked away uninjured.

    (And, no, neither bad guy was on drugs; I had wondered about that, too.)

    The lack of any drugs in their systems did surprise me too, as a lot of people who fight with such tenacity when fatally injured are fortified with cocaine or some other narcotic. However, they did have another incentive to keep them going to the bitter end – they were facing a murder charge (probably a capital one) if caught alive.

  91. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @ATBOTL
    There is no other country in the world where police would have shot this man. I notice that police in these bad shooting often use tasers, giving them only one free hand to restrain a suspect with. They make no real effort to restrain unarmed suspects with their hands, like police in America used to do and like they still do in the rest of the world. Instead, they use deadly weapons and threats to kill to try to control people who they know won't listen. If they had put down the tasers and wrestled with this guy, no one would have been seriously hurt and there would have been no riots.

    These same hyper violent, non-traditional police tactics are and will be used against the dissident right. No one in our milieu should be defending these bad police killings. All you are doing by that is provoking justified anger towards whites from blacks and increasing the power of the forces who want to oppress us. Some guy is resisting arrest? One cops grabs one arm, another cop grabs the other arm, other cops pile on, relaxing when the suspect is restrained and can't get away. No need for tasers against unarmed suspects, no need to shoot unarmed men in the back, no need to do anything that might lead to the asphyxiation of a suspect who can't possibly get away. If police just stopped doing these ridiculous, non-traditional tactics, there would be no videos that looked bad enough to cause riots.

    The dissident right has a blind spot for this that is really hurting our ability to attract support from normal white Americans. Most normal white people are critical of the police and have compassion even for criminal suspects. They don't want to see unnecessary killings or brutality during arrests. Too many people in our milieu act like criminal defense lawyers for the very state that is oppressing us, seizing on convoluted arguments to justify every extreme act of violence by the state against citizens. Then those same fools wonder why we can't attract mass support from disaffected whites and remain an online movement of nerds and people with autistic personality traits. I got news for you people -- white working class people, suburban middle class whites and alienated young white people, the people we need to attract, don't love the police. They see police as oppressive tax collectors on a power trip. Only boomer style partisan Republicans love the police.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Ozymandias

    I notice that police in these bad shooting often use tasers, giving them only one free hand to restrain a suspect with. They make no real effort to restrain unarmed suspects with their hands,

    I don’t know what you consider a “real effort,” but my understanding is that the cops did try to subdue Mr. Blake with their hands.

    Unfortunately, Mr. Blake managed to get loose: that happens sometimes. Perhaps, in this case, the officers weren’t trained very well. Perhaps Mr. Blake just got lucky.

    Whatever the reason, Mr. Blake did get away from them. Sometimes all the training you can possibly give someone won’t prevent this from happening.

    like police in America used to do and like they still do in the rest of the world.

    I wouldn’t say that police in America do not attempt to subdue suspects with their hands any more.

    I would say that fighting is a brutal, ugly business. How do you convince someone filming a cop-on-bad-guy fight with their smartphone that what they are seeing is the best way that cops have available to them to subdue a suspect ?

    Perhaps more to the point: do police officers have a duty to put themselves at needless risk in order to protect criminals who, in some cases, want to fight them?

    Instead, they use deadly weapons and threats to kill to try to control people who they know won’t listen.

    Do you suppose it might be time that these people learned to listen?

    Sure, you can put all the blame on the cops, but wouldn’t it be to the advantage of the criminals to fight the police in the courtroom rather than on the street?

    I say this because very few people get shot in courtrooms.

    Both bad guys and cops have the ability to make decisions. If someone is threatening you, or about to use a deadly weapon on you, do you suppose that some of the decisions you have made may have led to that happening?

    This stuff is not all one way.

    If they had put down the tasers and wrestled with this guy, no one would have been seriously hurt and there would have been no riots..

    How do you know that no one would have gotten seriously hurt had there been a part 2 to the Blake vs. cops fight?

    How much are your fingers worth? Your eyes? People lose fingers and eyes in fights.

    You are are giving the impression that fighting is a risk-free undertaking when it is anything but that. Nor is it always necessarily a matter of who is better trained: sometimes it is simply a matter of who is faster (or luckier).

    I got news for you people — white working class people, suburban middle class whites and alienated young white people, the people we need to attract, don’t love the police.

    If it is any help, I am not an unalloyed fan of law enforcement. Police and judges are, in my opinion, like any other group of people: there are the good, the incompetent, the overanxious, the well-meaning, and, of course, the entirely unsuited.

    Having said that, watching people make the choice to duke it out with cops gets old after a while.

    Someone would have to hate cops quite a bit not to be able to admit to themselves that no one likes to get hurt, and that cops like to go home to their families at the end of the day, same as everyone else with a job.

    No one “won” in this case. Mr. Blake, by all appearances, is going to be in a wheelchair for the rest of his days. Meanwhile, the cop who shot him has had his life irretrievably ruined, and he will never be the same, either.

    With any luck, this incident will serve as a warning to everyone.

    Police departments may, in future, decide to dedicate more training time and effort to teaching officers how to quickly and safely subdue people who decide to fight with them.

    Alternately, maybe people who are more inclined to fight with the police than not will take away the lesson that wrestling matches, knife fights, and/or gunfights do not always work out well.

    I understand what you are saying (really), but there are two sides to this thing: both sides have to have their eyes and ears open for any good to come of what is, undeniably, a tragic event.

  92. @JimB
    A city of 100,00 is pretty small. And since at least 50% of police calls would be in the black community of 7000, it is likely that Blake was well known by the cops. It just so happens that he wasn't carrying a gun when he was shot, but a) he was a security guard and b) he probably had a firearm license on record (probably invalidated by his arrest warrant) which would have come up at the top of any search of his name. The police were correct in treating him as armed and dangerous. Basically, he screwed the pooch.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    a) he was a security guard and b) he probably had a firearm license on record

    Wasn’t he a convicted child molester like Rosenbaum? How does an ex-con get a gig as a “security guard”? He definitely didn’t have any registered firearms.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Stan d Mute


    How does an ex-con get a gig as a “security guard”?
     
    Didn’t Obama make it illegal to look at a job applicant’s criminal record?
  93. @S
    @Hibernian

    Speaking of Bernadine Dohrn and the events of today, including rioting/looting at Kenosha, this is exactly in accordance with what had been outlined in the 1969 Weatherman Manifesto, which Dohrn co-wrote.

    Blacks are seen as a 'black colony' (ie a beach head/Trojan horse) within the US government to bring it down. [As in the soon to be Illinois senate candidate, Obama, whom Bill Ayres had hosted at his house in 1995 at a 'meet the candidate' session?]

    Note how many Whites have been observed at the BLM looting events and Dohrn's comment about the best thing the Weatherman could do to support the 'black liberation struggle' was build a 'white revolutionary movement'?


    The manifesto also asserted that African-Americans were a "black colony" within a U.S. government that was doomed to overextend itself. And the RYM was needed to quicken this process. Dohrn said, "The best thing that we can be doing for ourselves, as well as for the [Black] Panthers and the revolutionary black liberation struggle, is to build a fucking white revolutionary movement."
     
    Relatedly, according to an FBI informant, Bill Ayres circa 1970 is supposed to have said it would be necessary to murder 25 million people in the United States for their revolutionary plans to suceed, and to imprison tens of millions others.

    Bernadine Dohrn in 1969...

    https://cdn.historycollection.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Bernardine-Dohrn-addresses-a-radical-gathering-in-1969.-Picture-David-Fenton-Source-Getty-Images.jpg


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

    Replies: @Hibernian

    …according to an FBI informant…

    And therefore to be taken with a grain of salt. Ayers is evil, and thinks that way regardless of whether or not he said it.

    • Replies: @S
    @Hibernian

    I am about as skeptical as they come regarding informants, however, as the source for the twenty-five million claim was indeed an FBI informant, I felt compelled to mention it.

    The guy's name was Larry Grathwohl, and below is a link which elaborates upon his claim, and says pretty much what all the other links say on the subject.

    A person can judge for themselves.

    I suppose I look at informants (in particular jail house informants, which probably shouldn't even be allowed as being beyond the pale), the same way I look at the proverbial Soviet defector, ie easily about 95% plus are disinfo agents.

    However, generally not everything is entirely bogus, and I think (with great caution) that a very few of the defectors have had something of value to say, the same way I see a very few of the informants and what they have to tell.

    I can easily believe Grathwohl' s testimony as it fits perfectly the same pattern of events in the Soviet Union and Red China regarding Communists and policies of theirs which willfully resulted in the deaths (ie murder) of tens of millions of people, which I do believe indeed happened. Also, seeing these antifa/blm looters, arsonists, and rioters, with my own eyes, and a corrupt so called progressive/enlightened establishment supporting them, I think they are perfectly capable of mass murder on an industrial scale.

    I say this as someone who has no blinders involving Capitalism, which in certain ways Communism pales besides. I'm not for it, either, nor am I for Capitalism and Communism's 'convergance' to form global Multi-Culturalism, something like what China may have now, but writ large for the entire world.

    Having said all that, I don't base my disdain for Bill Ayres and Bernadine Dohrn's ideology upon Grathwohl's testimony, but would not be for it in either case.

    As stated, a person can make their own decision regarding Larry Grathwohl and what he had to say.

    https://www.aim.org/aim-column/fbi-informant-implicates-obama-associate-in-murder/

  94. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    @Alden


    Well, you’ve been defending Epstein and Maxwell all along I’m not surprised you’re defending Blake.
     
    I've been reading iSteve for a long time and I do not recall anyone defending either of these two.

    Alden, you make some excellent comments most of the time, but these anti-male diatribes border on the unhinged. Nobody here hates women, not even Whiskey. But some of us think that some of the things some women believe and do are not good for our society long term.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Alden, you make some excellent comments most of the time, but these anti-male diatribes border on the unhinged.

    Worse, every time the phrase “MEN OF UNZ” appears, I want to start up one of those ridiculous male drumming circles and give it that very name.

    (Ron has one of the most chantable surnames ever, which doesn’t help.)

    I feel sure Alden would not want the weight of such an atrocity on her conscience.

  95. @ATBOTL
    There is no other country in the world where police would have shot this man. I notice that police in these bad shooting often use tasers, giving them only one free hand to restrain a suspect with. They make no real effort to restrain unarmed suspects with their hands, like police in America used to do and like they still do in the rest of the world. Instead, they use deadly weapons and threats to kill to try to control people who they know won't listen. If they had put down the tasers and wrestled with this guy, no one would have been seriously hurt and there would have been no riots.

    These same hyper violent, non-traditional police tactics are and will be used against the dissident right. No one in our milieu should be defending these bad police killings. All you are doing by that is provoking justified anger towards whites from blacks and increasing the power of the forces who want to oppress us. Some guy is resisting arrest? One cops grabs one arm, another cop grabs the other arm, other cops pile on, relaxing when the suspect is restrained and can't get away. No need for tasers against unarmed suspects, no need to shoot unarmed men in the back, no need to do anything that might lead to the asphyxiation of a suspect who can't possibly get away. If police just stopped doing these ridiculous, non-traditional tactics, there would be no videos that looked bad enough to cause riots.

    The dissident right has a blind spot for this that is really hurting our ability to attract support from normal white Americans. Most normal white people are critical of the police and have compassion even for criminal suspects. They don't want to see unnecessary killings or brutality during arrests. Too many people in our milieu act like criminal defense lawyers for the very state that is oppressing us, seizing on convoluted arguments to justify every extreme act of violence by the state against citizens. Then those same fools wonder why we can't attract mass support from disaffected whites and remain an online movement of nerds and people with autistic personality traits. I got news for you people -- white working class people, suburban middle class whites and alienated young white people, the people we need to attract, don't love the police. They see police as oppressive tax collectors on a power trip. Only boomer style partisan Republicans love the police.

    Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Ozymandias

    If police just stopped doing these ridiculous, non-traditional tactics, there would be no videos that looked bad enough to cause riots.

    So your theory is that hundreds of videos of police physically overpowering black men is going to improve law enforcement’s reputation?

  96. S says:
    @Hibernian
    @S


    ...according to an FBI informant...
     
    And therefore to be taken with a grain of salt. Ayers is evil, and thinks that way regardless of whether or not he said it.

    Replies: @S

    I am about as skeptical as they come regarding informants, however, as the source for the twenty-five million claim was indeed an FBI informant, I felt compelled to mention it.

    The guy’s name was Larry Grathwohl, and below is a link which elaborates upon his claim, and says pretty much what all the other links say on the subject.

    A person can judge for themselves.

    I suppose I look at informants (in particular jail house informants, which probably shouldn’t even be allowed as being beyond the pale), the same way I look at the proverbial Soviet defector, ie easily about 95% plus are disinfo agents.

    However, generally not everything is entirely bogus, and I think (with great caution) that a very few of the defectors have had something of value to say, the same way I see a very few of the informants and what they have to tell.

    I can easily believe Grathwohl’ s testimony as it fits perfectly the same pattern of events in the Soviet Union and Red China regarding Communists and policies of theirs which willfully resulted in the deaths (ie murder) of tens of millions of people, which I do believe indeed happened. Also, seeing these antifa/blm looters, arsonists, and rioters, with my own eyes, and a corrupt so called progressive/enlightened establishment supporting them, I think they are perfectly capable of mass murder on an industrial scale.

    I say this as someone who has no blinders involving Capitalism, which in certain ways Communism pales besides. I’m not for it, either, nor am I for Capitalism and Communism’s ‘convergance’ to form global Multi-Culturalism, something like what China may have now, but writ large for the entire world.

    Having said all that, I don’t base my disdain for Bill Ayres and Bernadine Dohrn’s ideology upon Grathwohl’s testimony, but would not be for it in either case.

    As stated, a person can make their own decision regarding Larry Grathwohl and what he had to say.

    https://www.aim.org/aim-column/fbi-informant-implicates-obama-associate-in-murder/

  97. @Anonymous
    If Jacob Blake was a white or asian or hispanic man then there is no news here. No story.

    Candace Owens is correct when she says it's only black people who stick up for their own when their own have long rap sheets and are resisting arrest. Other racial groups disown their own scumbags.

    ALSO F*CK PAID LACKEY OF CHINA LEBRON JAMES the single most destructive voice in America right now. Never forget he false-flagged his own house with a dumb fake hate crime around the time of the Jussie Smollet farce. This guy is very dumb and very influential and therefore very dangerous.

    Replies: @Hymie

    You mean China Porch Flunkey Lebron James.

  98. @Hibernian
    @Alden

    I have the misfortune of living only a few blocks away from Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. I used to regularly pass their townhouse when running in a local park. Fortunately I've never seen them. Bill is an education professor at a state school. In one of the few rational acts by a Kennedy, one of Bobby's kids, I think the one who left the East Coast for Chicago and worked at their Merchandise Mart, and later ran for Governor, opposed his hiring because of a statement by Ayers excusing or even condoning, maybe at least faintly praising, Sirhan Sirhan. I think Bill and Bernardine were, maybe informally, foster parents of the looney DA of SF.

    Replies: @S, @S, @Almost Missouri

    Apparently I was a one-time neighbor of yours.

    Cheers! I hope you are surviving the rioting.

  99. @Alden
    @Almost Missouri

    GF didn’t just call the police for no reason. A judge granted a restraining order against him to stay away from her and her home. He violated that order.

    It wasn’t a DV situation. It was violation of a restraining order. Normally, when the RO violater is calm, the police just tell him or her to leave and follow him or her to make sure he or she doesn’t come back.

    When he refused to leave, he went beserk probably on drugs and started the incident in which he was shot and arrested, a police officer is charged with attempted murder and a town is being destroyed.

    Rodney King was driving more than 100 miles an hour with 2 terrified passengers in the car and was so drugged up on PCP it took about 10 officers to arrest him

    Blake was convicted of statutory rape of a 14 year old. Hope she didn’t get pregnant and have another life long welfare baby.

    You’re one of the MEN OF UNZ who advocate for the end of sex molestation of minors. Okay, you don’t give a rat’s ass about morals and protection of minors. But if you pay taxes you should be aware that many of the victims of statutory rape do get pregnant and end up in lifelong welfare with their welfare babies who grow up to augment the ever growing underclass.

    Given the way Blake insanely reacted when GF told him to leave and police arrived and ordered him to leave, I would say there was an excellent reason for that restraining order to be issued.

    Another dis functional drugged up marginally employed black thugs with welfare kids by different women and you’re defending him.

    Well, you’ve been defending Epstein and Maxwell all along I’m not surprised you’re defending Blake.

    Leads me to wonder how many domestic violence situations you’ve been in.

    Get together with the rest of the woody Allen look alike creeps and start a we hate White women group therapy blog.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Almost Missouri

    GF didn’t just call the police for no reason. A judge granted a restraining order against him to stay away from her and her home. He violated that order.

    I had heard that too, but wasn’t able to confirm it, so I wrote that his girlfriend called police “to complain about him”, which still allows for the possibility that he was violating a restraining order.

    It wasn’t a DV situation. It was violation of a restraining order. Normally, when the RO violater is calm, the police just tell him or her to leave and follow him or her to make sure he or she doesn’t come back.

    When he refused to leave, he went beserk probably on drugs and started the incident in which he was shot and arrested, a police officer is charged with attempted murder and a town is being destroyed.

    I don’t disagree, but I wasn’t able to confirm that, so I left it out.

    Rodney King was driving more than 100 miles an hour with 2 terrified passengers in the car and was so drugged up on PCP it took about 10 officers to arrest him

    Blake was convicted of statutory rape of a 14 year old. Hope she didn’t get pregnant and have another life long welfare baby.

    Agree and agree.

    You’re one of the MEN OF UNZ who advocate for the end of sex molestation of minors. Okay, you don’t give a rat’s ass about morals and protection of minors. But if you pay taxes you should be aware that many of the victims of statutory rape do get pregnant and end up in lifelong welfare with their welfare babies who grow up to augment the ever growing underclass.

    It’s things like this that make me think you are responding to the wrong comment. WTF are you referring to?

    Given the way Blake insanely reacted when GF told him to leave and police arrived and ordered him to leave, I would say there was an excellent reason for that restraining order to be issued.

    Assuming there was a restraining order, I agree. In any case, given the perp’s criminal record, which the police were probably aware of, and his wrong behavior at the scene, I don’t fault the police.

    Another dis functional drugged up marginally employed black thugs with welfare kids by different women and you’re defending him.

    Where?

    Well, you’ve been defending Epstein and Maxwell all along I’m not surprised you’re defending Blake.

    Jesus, lady, are you off your meds? Where are you getting this? I despise Epstain and would cheerfully have executed him myself.

    Leads me to wonder how many domestic violence situations you’ve been in.

    Zero, if you must know, though I’ve threatened domestic violence in defense of my wife.

    Get together with the rest of the woody Allen look alike creeps and start a we hate White women group therapy blog.

    Whatever. I hope you get reacquainted with reality soon.

  100. @Stan d Mute
    @JimB


    a) he was a security guard and b) he probably had a firearm license on record
     
    Wasn’t he a convicted child molester like Rosenbaum? How does an ex-con get a gig as a “security guard”? He definitely didn’t have any registered firearms.

    Replies: @JimB

    How does an ex-con get a gig as a “security guard”?

    Didn’t Obama make it illegal to look at a job applicant’s criminal record?

  101. @Harry Baldwin
    @wren

    The knife in that photo (if it is a knife) looks like a Karambit. They're not general-purpose knives.

    From the ad copy: "Karambit Knives are the ultimate self defense tool. They typically have a curved blade design and a finger hole that is ideal for close combat situations. Karambit blades are available in folding knives, automatics, fixed blades and neck knives."

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @anon

    The knife in that photo (if it is a knife) looks like a Karambit.

    Maybe. Could also be a tile knife, used on vinyl and linoleum flooring. Usually fixed blade but some folders are also available.

    Like this:

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