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The national media bigfoots can’t just let the Democrats’ Ferguson Black Vote Riling-Up Project peter out ignominiously with a bunch of random Internet commenters having humiliated them in their own comments sections due to a better command of facts, data, and logic. Sure, the Obama Administration’s own social science reports on crime rates make a mockery of the prestige press’s conventional wisdom on race and crime, but that’s due to a massive conspiracy among whites to bias the statistics.
NYT op-ed columnist Charles Blow explains:
Crime, Bias and Statistics
SEPT. 7, 2014Discussions of the relationship between blacks and the criminal justice system in this country too often grind to a halt as people slink down into their silos and arm themselves with their best rhetorical weapons — racial bias on one side and statistics in which minorities, particularly blacks, are overrepresented as criminals on the other.
I don’t think Blow is trying to say the racial bias is on his side, although that would be a more accurate description of the debate that has been going on in Comments sections across the web since the anti-snitches pogrom in Ferguson: anti-white animus on one side versus statistics on the other.
What I find too often overlooked in this war of words is the intersection between the two positions, meaning the degree to which bias informs the statistics and vice versa.
The troubling association — in fact, overassociation — of blacks with criminality directly affects the way we think about both crime and blacks as a whole.
A damning report released by the Sentencing Project last week lays bare the bias and the interconnecting systemic structures that reinforce it and disproportionately affect African-Americans.
The Sentencing Project is an advocacy group for criminal defense attorneys.
This is the kind of report that one really wants to publish in its totality, for its conclusion is such a powerful condemnation of the perversity of racial oppression. …
This association of crime with blacks has been noted by others. Lisa Bloom, in her book “Suspicion Nation,” points out: “While whites can and do commit a great deal of minor and major crimes, the race as a whole is never tainted by those acts. But when blacks violate the law, all members of the race are considered suspect.”
She further says: “The standard assumption that criminals are black and blacks are criminals is so prevalent that in one study, 60 percent of viewers who viewed a crime story with no picture of the perpetrator falsely recalled seeing one, and of those, 70 percent believed he was African-American. When we think about crime, we ‘see black,’ even when it’s not present at all.”
Or when the media followed its policy of covering up the race of the perp.
As the Sentencing Project report makes clear, the entire government and media machinery is complicit in the distortion. …
• “Many media outlets reinforce the public’s racial misconceptions about crime by presenting African-Americans and Latinos differently than whites — both quantitatively and qualitatively. Television news programs and newspapers overrepresent racial minorities as crime suspects and whites as crime victims.” …
The effects of these perceptions and policies have been absolutely devastating for society in general and black people in particular. According to the report:
… “Racial perceptions of crime, combined with other factors, have led to the disparate punishment of people of color. Although blacks and Latinos together comprise just 30 percent of the general population, they account for 58 percent of the prison population.”
There is no way in this country to discuss crime statistics without including in that discussion the myriad ways in which those statistics are informed and influenced by the systemic effects of racial distortion.
Individual behavior is not the only component of the numbers; bias is the other.
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Conspiracy theory thinking is all over the respectable media, in discussions of crime, IQ testing, women in sports and science, and so forth and so on. It’s just not called conspiracy theorizing because we all know liberals are on the side of Science.
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Haha. It’s long been obvious to me that some random hobo given a short primer on race-realism can manhandle Harvard grads on the subject of race. But until now, I’ve never wondered if that ever sticks in their craw. Probably too complex a web of self-deceptions for that to happen often, but it’s still funny to think about. It’s like piloting a Blackhawk helicopter and being shot down by an illiterate with an RPG.
Yeah, if he didn’t mean it that way, he sure managed to back into the truth anyway.
Chuck says that a Jewish sociologist says:
Jewish sociologists should do a study to find out how many liberals read about a study about “racism” with no picture of the perpetrator, but still summon a mental picture of a white man, even though that 43% (70% of 60%) probably included a lot of blacks, browns, and women. Liberals should be very, very familiar with this stuff, they use it to their advantage in their Narrative constantly.
There are some far more relevant statistics about blacks and crime that Blow could cite, but chooses not to. He’d rather cite statistics about crimethink by Americans (many of them black and brown) than statistics about rapes, murders, and robberies committed by blacks.
There are 2 ways to impart this impression:
1: lie.
2: pass along someone else’s lie.
No study with a modicum of rigor could ever conclude that the media’s presentation of this subject is more damning to blacks than the reality of black crime.
Here’s the real problem with the “Great White Conspiracy” theory of racial equality in crime, and racial inequality in the legal system: it involves not just cops, prosecutors, judges, and juries, but also the American population as a whole: crime victimization surveys show blacks to be better represented among perpetrators than they are among the arrested, charged, convicted, or imprisoned. And it involves not just whites, but also blacks, browns, yellows, reds, and everyone else.
“While whites can and do commit a great deal of minor and major crimes, the race as a whole is never tainted by those acts. But when blacks violate the law, all members of the race are considered suspect.
Ignoring that this is just psychological conjecture and granting the premise, where ever could whites have come up with the idea that blacks will unite in group solidarity around one of their own nearly no matter what?
Yup. More and more I cleave to the opinion that George Orwell was *the* greatest writer of the entire 20th century, as his works of fiction held the deepest nuggets of truth, and what’s more, actual prophecy. Reading the verbalistic gymnastics of Lisa Bloom just screams the word ‘Orwell!’ to my mind. Basically the guy had the way the modern world’s run sewn up to a ‘t’.
I release that literary snobs, closet Marxists and others keep on sneering that Orwell was not a particularly talented author in the sense bullshitter and weaver of tales, but if literary fiction has one object apart from mere entertainment, it’s to hold up a mirror to the world and unveil deep, profound truths about the human condition that the reader would otherwise not notice or suspect somewhat. Surely, on this count, Orwell ranks as the greatest of all 20th century authors.
May I take it that Charles Blow’s wife is of a different race to his own? If not, does that prove he’s a racist?
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/02/nyt-writer-blows-both-ways/
I guess no one should have to live with the reputation they’ve created for themselves.
One of the commenters on the latest Kristof piece complained that during segregation the racist police didn’t send police into the black neighborhoods because they didn’t care if they killed each other ( if you don’t police the Amish do they kill each other?).
The police are racist if they arrest too many blacks and they are also racist if they arrest too few.
Tim Wise likes to claim that whites have higher marijuana use but are less often arrested for it. This he thinks is evidence the police are racist (his mighty brain being incapable, it seems, of coming up with likely alternative explanations for this disparity). Does anyone think if it were the other way round he woukdn’t consider it evidence that the racist police cared more about policing the white community and nipping in the bud any turn towards criminal behaviour whereas that they didn’t care about the black community?
The whole idea that it is somehow an injustice to have your community more assiduously policed and its criminal elements more harshly punnished is absurd. And why wouldn’t this decrease the amount of black crime relative to whites?
Thoughts on Ray Rice?
What he did wasn’t that much different from Michael Brown.
In both cases the criminal justice system would write off the crime.
If a cop saw Rice, then shot him would cop be a hero or a dog?
“…in one study, 60 percent of viewers who viewed a crime story with no picture of the perpetrator falsely recalled seeing one…”
Was that the “study” which showed people pictures of black “victims” and asked them to guess the race of the criminal?
“Television news programs and newspapers overrepresent racial minorities as crime suspects and whites as crime victims.”
Now that is a straight-out lie. In fact, it is a Joseph Goebbels-style “big lie.”
Hey, Steve, interested in your take on Ross Douthout’s column on Rotherham, as well as your take on what appears to be the left’s official spin on this case: (1) the issue is sexism not racism/immigration/multiculturalism malfunction; and (2) political corruption/payoffs and not fear of political repercussions/political correctness.
Crime stats are meaningless and tampered with by the Scots-Irish hostile elite. Hispanics count as White when perpetrating crime and Hispanics when victims. Plus a culture of anti-White political correctness at police department cowing them into not investigating most Black crime.
“Many media outlets reinforce the public’s racial misconceptions about crime by presenting African-Americans and Latinos differently than whites — both quantitatively and qualitatively. Television news programs and newspapers overrepresent racial minorities as crime suspects and whites as crime victims.” …
If they really believe this, everything Dick Wolf has done has been for naught. The man put his blood, sweat and tears into the longest running drama (“it was a tent-pole!!! – Tracy Jordan) on NBC in the last 30 years. When did they actually stop featuring black criminals? The first season? It became a parody of itself – first the cops drag in some poor minority for some minor infraction and try to pin the murder on him/her. Within 10 minutes it’s revealed that the real killer was a 1%er who was seeking control of the family fortune/corporation/pharmaceutical patents.
Whites steal. Whites cheat. Whites rape. Whites rob at gun and knife point. Whites murder. Whites drink and do drugs and then go on to commit related crimes. Whites commit white collar crimes (embezzlement, crooked deals like Countrywide mortgage scandal). Whites lie. Whites constitute the vast majority of serial killers. Yet, when we walk down the street and see a black person, we give into that reflex most of us were indoctrinated to have and don’t do enough to resist.
There is something very wrong with the way, we whites, were raised, what we feel, believe, and act upon, when we think of black people. People are people. Race doesn’t make a person any more likely to commit a crime.
Charles is absolutely right in pointing out that the escalation in punishment – three strikes, etc. – affects everyone. Moreover, militarization in a manufactured siege atmosphere, has radicalized our police and is a strong contributor to the rash of brutality we’ve been experiencing around the country over the last few years.
Black men are taking the brunt of that brutality, but some whites are too, especially if they have a mental disorder (Kelly Thomas, Fullerton, CA comes to mind).
Our behavior as a group needs modification, STAT.
Are crime statistics affected by racial bias of police and prosecutors and judges? Probably so. How much does that change the impact you should give to race in your own quick assessment of threats? I don't have hard data here, but my best guess, based on available crime statistics and anecdote and observation of what dangerous neighborhoods look like, is that you should still give race a lot of weight in that assessment.
Do some research.
Whites are more punitive than blacks and Hispanics even though they experience less crime.
Ha, ha. Reminds me of the way liberals get outraged because crime rates fall as more criminals go to jail. “With crime rates falling, surely LESS people should be in jail”, they bleat moronically.
Maybe whites experience less crime because they’re more punitive? Best not to even consider that possibility.
Blacks criminals tend to receive harsher sentences than white ones on average, true. This is because they tend to commit more serious crimes and/or to be repeat offenders at a higher rate than whites.
Yesterday it was “Whites Don’t Get It.”
Today it is black crime is punished more disproportionally than white crime. I do not dispute the what these articles have to say, it is what they do not say that is the problem.
As usual some readers will assert that white people need to do more, or are at fault for this situation. Somehow they seem to believe they can change human nature by wagging a finger in their face.
What we have not seen, is any concrete ideas on how to alleviate this disparity. I know my congressman believes it is a bad situation, but he is only one among many, a freshman, under attack from Karl Rove and his gang.
What happened to those civil rights groups like SNCC that were able to generate reforms in the system? As long as congress is controlled by the current crop of troglodytes, this disparities will remain. So how many of you who are tisk tisking this, are actually working to put people in office that will bring the needed changes? How much have you put into the pot to get rid of those stone age politicians that allow this to go on?
Write and complain all you want, but until you get out and put the right people into office, nothing is going to change.
is this a surprise? It’s been GOP campaign tactics since Nixon. “They” are coming for your job, your women, your kids, your money, your schools, your homes, your guns and now, your health care. The fear that wins elections propagates the racial divide. And it’s our fault for allowing it to continue.
The prison-industrial complex and the militarization of police are a product of bipartisan fearmongering. Eventually it hurt whites as well as blacks and other nonwhites.
When it comes to the risk of getting killed, blacks are to whites as sharks are to bees. Sharks and bees kill roughly (ok, *roughly*, bear with me) the same number of people. But the comparative death toll would be very different if people went swimming in the ocean as much as they go walking in bee habitat (ie everywhere).
I think that’s a much-overlooked factor, when people look at inter-racial predation statistics. Indeed, blacks go shopping, dining, show-watching etc in white areas all the time, and the worst that happens is they get a dirty look. Whites, meanwhile, avoid black areas.
Nu, how long will we have to wait to hear your thoughts on the Bruce Levinson crimethought caper??
My husband and I met at work. We were both supervisors and so both of us held essentially equal and responsible positions. He was Black. I am White. One day as we walked down the street hand in hand an older white lady walked by us, looked at my husband and grabbed her purse tighter to her. My husband noticed it. He said to me: Do you see that guy over there?” He was pointing to a gang member hanging on the corner. I said “Yes.” He said: ” That person is who I am judged by. I am not judged on my clothing, speech or the way I hold myself. I am judged by him. White people are not judged that way.” I was taken aback but also I learned something that day. Racism is personal and internalized. Many Black people even judge themselves by their lower classes, especially those that are not well educated and who have low paying jobs. And, yes, there are black people in all classes though most media reports do not make one think so. Those that are educated fight this internalization but it is always with them, just like my husband feeling the need to explain it to me.
This incident opened my eyes to how insidious racism is. If we always judge a person by the worst of society they have almost no chance of bettering themselves no matter how hard they try. Position, wealth, manners, dress, and stance are disregarded and all are suspect, all are guilty. Innocent until proven guilty becomes a fallacy. It becomes the Liberal courts just wouldn’t convict them, or I had to shoot.
I'm a white guy who has suffered many mean looks in White areas and many many more in Black ones. Grow up. That is not racism, you poor dear.Replies: @Harold, @Southfarthing, @Winky Dinky
Sadly Jessicas are all too common.
Though this one might be a troll, the attitude expressed is commonplace.
When you marry a black guy you have to deal with the fact that a higher percentage of them are violent and crime oriented, just the same way I had to deal with the fact that a lower percentage of Chinese are violent and crime oriented.
(Well, maybe I got a better deal. Deal with it.)
Ummmmm…..this is news that the system is totally biased against blacks and latinos? I’m as white as white can be and the hate and fear of people of color I see around me on a daily basis is incredible and it seems that the fewer brown faces around, the more frightened people are of them. I guess what the mind can produce on its own is greater than anything mere reality can accomplish. I’m still shocked by the election of a black man (who is half-white but half-black is all black in America) to president. How we was treated after that election wasn’t so surprising. I don’t have any great answers 150 years after the end of slavery. I can only think that in my own life it was my close association with blacks and latinos that prevented this fear from growing in me. To me, they are not “the other”, they’re just the usual bunch I played basketball and touch football with on the jackson heights/corona border in queens when i was a kid. Some sucked, most didn’t, no different than the white guys who played. My best friend outside of my wife is latino and we’ve been buddies since high school. I’m in my fifties. Some of the best people I’ve ever met in this life who really came through when I went through rough times were black and latino ( anecdotal but a higher proportion of “people of color” remained as friends when times were hard in my life). I thus see the only hope as ending the de facto segregation that exists in so many schools and communities in this country.
One might conclude that you are, but...you know, you have a black friend and all...
so who you gonna believe: your lying eyes or someone named Blow who works for the New York Times?
Blow… What perfect name for this jerk. It’s almost too good to be true.
Someone should suggest that this idiot take a look at data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). This survey collects reports of crimes committed against survey respondents – no chance of all that “racial bias” some claim to find in law enforcement, prosecutorial, judicial, and correctional data. And the ratio of Black to White offenders is pretty much the same in the NCVS as found in other sources.
To really make sure to get rid of that “bias” just look at reports by African-American victims. Gee Whiz! When you do this it turns out the ratio of Black to White perpetrators is actually much larger than that suggested by other sources. Of course, this is because Black perps have traditionally gone for targets of opportunity which means other Blacks. And, in the case of rape, the sad fact of the matter is that White Rapists — the racist pigs — tend to discriminate against targeting Black victims. (The opposite, sadly, is not true. Black rapists appear to target White victims disproportionately.) But I’m afraid these subtleties might just confuse Mr. Blow.
Seriously, though, I suggest someone point readers of this silly column to NCVS statistics. I don’t have access or I’d do it myself. Idiots like Blow need to be ridiculed and dismissed if the truth is ever to become more generally known.
Television news programs and newspapers overrepresent racial minorities as crime suspects and whites as crime victims.
Well, then, let’s just put Charles Blow in charge of informing us who exactly is suspect and victim. With a Grand Stroke I’m sure he will uncover all those White criminals and Black victims that until now have been ignored.
I’d ask the folks who insist that we must honestly confront the statistics on “black crime,” and especially those suggesting that black culture if not black genetics are to blame a question: given that the overwhelming number of serial killers, mass murderers, major financial criminals, crooked politicans, and destroyers of the environment are white, and given that at least arguably these crimes do far more damage than our stupid gangs, shouldn’t we also be trying just as hard to figure out what in the heck is wrong with white men?
Baseless assertion. I bet every category of crime you mentioned is disproportionately committed by Blacks. Crooked politicians? Gimme a break.
Regarding the Baltimore Ravens player Ray Rice’s incident of domestic violence. The Ravens have now cut him from the team and NFL’s indefinite suspension. I would love to see a poll question do you think Ray Rice NFL punishment is too harsh? Then hopefully have the results broke down by race. I’m guessing you know where I’m going on this based on Michael Vicks dog fighting suspension and how it was perceived differently by Whites and Blacks.
Interesting as this is also a liberal conundrum, beating wife is bad. But convicting African American is also bad.
Liberals pick and choose the science they want to believe.
Part of this country thrives on believing that African Americans are inferior, lazy, criminals, conniving, etc. They propagate stereotypes like the welfare momma and the gangsta thug. This is all in a effort to divide us.
the overwhelming number of serial killers, mass murderers, major financial criminals, crooked politicans, and destroyers of the environment are white
Baseless assertion. I bet every category of crime you mentioned is disproportionately committed by Blacks. Crooked politicians? Gimme a break.
Part of this country thrives on believing that African Americans are inferior, lazy, criminals
You know what would really make this country thrive? Separation from lazy Afr-Am criminals. The “Black Tax” – the opportunity cost payed by Whites for living in the same polity as tens of millions of Afr-Am crybabies with their hands out perpetually screaming “Gibsmedat” is too high.
This incident opened my eyes to how insidious racism is. If we always judge a person by the worst of society they have almost no chance of bettering themselves no matter how hard they try. Position, wealth, manners, dress, and stance are disregarded and all are suspect, all are guilty. Innocent until proven guilty becomes a fallacy. It becomes the Liberal courts just wouldn't convict them, or I had to shoot.Replies: @Enderby, @Marty, @Whiskey, @The most deplorable one, @Lurker, @Michelle
Oh, you poor noble widdle White lady… your wonderful Black hubby got a mean look out on a public street. The problem with poor hubby’s skin is not its color – it is just too thin.
I’m a white guy who has suffered many mean looks in White areas and many many more in Black ones. Grow up. That is not racism, you poor dear.
I'm pretty sure Morton, Chuck, Josh, Jessica are the same person.
Chuck's comment (at least) is a copy of one at the NYT.
I'm pretty sure you will get no replies from any of them.Replies: @Enderby, @Alfa 158
"Oh, you poor noble widdle White lady… your wonderful Black hubby got a mean look out on a public street. The problem with poor hubby’s skin is not its color – it is just too thin."
You realize she was lying don't you? She was walking down the street, hand in hand with her nice negro husband and an old white lady passed by. Across the street was a "gang member"...uh huh. And then there was a church burning on the corner, and some cops with firehoses on the other corner. Jessica, try a little harder next time.
“Morton says
People are people. Race doesn’t make a person any more likely to commit a crime.”
You are wrong. The statistics of crime indicate otherwise.
On the # of blacks arrested for marijuana use vs. the # of whites arrested, maybe whites simply are smarter criminals. Which brings up another inconvenient truth………….
Must we have sock-puppet trolls spamming the comments?
What about Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Mexicans and Indians? Is there something wrong with the way they were raised, what they feel, believe and act upon, when they think of black people?
Where, in the United States, in Canada, in China, in India, in Zimbabwe? Do you think whites are judged preferentially in non-white nations? You don’t believe that Chinese or Indians hold negative views of whites?
Of course whites are not going to be judged that way in a white society. Welcome to in-group favoritism 101. You are asking whites to exhibit traits that you are not asking others to do. Namely, you expect whites to exhibit no in-group favoritism while other groups evidently are allowed to follow this basic human norm.
If your side insists on having a multicultural society comprised of every group around the world, then you better make sure your favorite group does not commit violent crimes against other groups, whether they be white, Chinese, Mexican, etc. Humans notice when out-groups commit crimes against their in-group. They also tend to downplay or disregard when a member of their in-group commits a crime against a fellow member. Thus, you have blacks virtually ignoring the 500 or so black-on-black homicides per year in Chicago, while going ballistic over Trayvon. It is actually something short of a miracle that whites have not rioted to date over the amount of crime directed at them by blacks. Yet instead of praising whites for their forbearance, you are criticizing them for having a basic human emotion, in-group favoritism.
I'm a white guy who has suffered many mean looks in White areas and many many more in Black ones. Grow up. That is not racism, you poor dear.Replies: @Harold, @Southfarthing, @Winky Dinky
I’m pretty sure it’s a made-up story.
I’m pretty sure Morton, Chuck, Josh, Jessica are the same person.
Chuck’s comment (at least) is a copy of one at the NYT.
I’m pretty sure you will get no replies from any of them.
BBC and Ex.
Blacks are over-represented both as serial killers and spree/mass killers. I wonder what percentage of the population is aware of this fact.
“Whites are more punitive than blacks and Hispanics even though they experience less crime.”
Blacks are less punitive when the criminal is black and because there is so much criminality in the black community, they are far more likely to identify with the criminal as their son, brother, nephew etc.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/08/14/is-spanking-a-black-and-white-issue/its-not-just-black-parents
Surprisingly, female-headed households are actually more likely to use physical punishment. Unsurprisingly, boys usually receive harsher punishment.
To be fair, personally I can imagine that it might feel worse to be arrested or sentenced by someone who is from a different race or official group. I guess the only way to avoid this is to stay on the right side of the law. For those who don't, the increasing number of Asian judges in places like California mean that more and more criminals will experience this, not just black people anymore. And I'm sure that fact will be hailed by many of the diversity boosters.
You should be trying hard to figure out 5th grade math.
There is something very wrong with the way, we whites, were raised, what we feel, believe, and act upon, when we think of black people. People are people. Race doesn't make a person any more likely to commit a crime.
Charles is absolutely right in pointing out that the escalation in punishment - three strikes, etc. - affects everyone. Moreover, militarization in a manufactured siege atmosphere, has radicalized our police and is a strong contributor to the rash of brutality we've been experiencing around the country over the last few years.
Black men are taking the brunt of that brutality, but some whites are too, especially if they have a mental disorder (Kelly Thomas, Fullerton, CA comes to mind).
Our behavior as a group needs modification, STAT.Replies: @Forbes, @Mad as a Hatter, @NOTA, @Big Bill, @AnAnon, @jackson
Hahahahaha.
Hey Unz, while you worried about proliferating handles, Steve’s blog got hijacked by a bunch of Pacifica types. Good to see you’ve got your eye on the ball.
I once had an email exchange with Tim Weiss (I mean, Wise) and he made an assertion that whites (i.e. “creepy ass crackers,” a term he endorsed on CNN) engage in more pedophilia proportionately than blacks. I asked him what his evidence was for this and to present it to me. He never replied.
Tim, oh, Tim. Present it! Tim! Oh, well. Perhaps one of his friends or proxies would like to present it on his behalf. Come on, I know we have some lefties on here now. Speak up. This ain’t Counterpunch. You’re gonna have to follow up.
https://www.google.com/search?q=pedophile&hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&tbm=nws&ei=0V0OVNbcBNW4ogSxwoHoBQ&start=0&sa=N
Keep checking it every week and see for yourself that pedophiles (and child pornographers) are overwhelmingly white. The perverted perps are usually "upstanding" members of their communities: cops, teachers, priests, pastors, coaches....Replies: @Voltaire's Spinning Corpse, @syonredux, @syonredux
There's a difference between creepy-ass crackers and creepy ass-crackers. But someone could be both.
I'm pretty sure Morton, Chuck, Josh, Jessica are the same person.
Chuck's comment (at least) is a copy of one at the NYT.
I'm pretty sure you will get no replies from any of them.Replies: @Enderby, @Alfa 158
Yeah, you’re probably right. I’m just appalled at the MSM-think racetards trolling the comments. Is the best strategy to ignore them or answer back?
I'm pretty sure Morton, Chuck, Josh, Jessica are the same person.
Chuck's comment (at least) is a copy of one at the NYT.
I'm pretty sure you will get no replies from any of them.Replies: @Enderby, @Alfa 158
I think you missed two additional pseudonyms;
BBC and Ex.
This incident opened my eyes to how insidious racism is. If we always judge a person by the worst of society they have almost no chance of bettering themselves no matter how hard they try. Position, wealth, manners, dress, and stance are disregarded and all are suspect, all are guilty. Innocent until proven guilty becomes a fallacy. It becomes the Liberal courts just wouldn't convict them, or I had to shoot.Replies: @Enderby, @Marty, @Whiskey, @The most deplorable one, @Lurker, @Michelle
I’ll never forget a 1996 lead story in the WSJ about blacks in corporate America. They quoted a black IBM executive who complained that, “you have to be unthreatening.” I remember wondering what planet that guy was on, as if anyone in corporate life can afford to be the least bit threatening. In contrast to that heavy thinker, Seinfeld had it right when Elaine was viewed as a meanie for not wanting to have an office birthday party every day.
Sayng something over and over again does not make it so. Readily available statistics contradict just about everything in this sorry excuse for an argument. I’ve presented several empirical research papers on serial homicide and did a brief stint as a consultant at the FBI’s VICAP program. The fact is that the numbers of black serial killers and mass murderers are in proportion to the black population. Also, s many researchers have pointed out, it takes a certain elevated level of intelligence to get away with a lot of murders, so I suspect that annoying 1.1 sd deficit probably explains why6 blacks aren’t as over-represented among serial killers as they are among your garden variety murderer. Blacks do incredibly well at political corruption. Read the newspapers. Corrupt black LEOs area lso a very big problem. The inroads that blacks have made into high finance in this country are limited and I suspect that that’s all that’s holding them back as regards major financial crimes. Still isolated cases suggest a strong capacity for misbehavior in trhis area. Look up the looting and destruction of Brighams Ice Cream in New England if you want an example.
Was that the "study" which showed people pictures of black "victims" and asked them to guess the race of the criminal?
"Television news programs and newspapers overrepresent racial minorities as crime suspects and whites as crime victims.”
Now that is a straight-out lie. In fact, it is a Joseph Goebbels-style "big lie."Replies: @AnAnon
“Was that the “study” which showed people pictures of black “victims” and asked them to guess the race of the criminal?” – Even if it wasn’t, it is the nature of the human brain to both recognize patterns, and to fill in the blanks based on those patterns.
I think that just as Steve has pointed out that many of the smart and successful people who like to say that IQ doesn't exist, probably haven't spent much time with people who just aren't that bright and therefore tend to underestimate their prevalence, it is easy for those unaffected by certain negative stereotypes to underestimate how many people really do react to them. And that goes for stereotypes that black people are unaffected by too, such as being assumed to be racist (at least in the media).Replies: @Steve Sailer
There is something very wrong with the way, we whites, were raised, what we feel, believe, and act upon, when we think of black people. People are people. Race doesn't make a person any more likely to commit a crime.
Charles is absolutely right in pointing out that the escalation in punishment - three strikes, etc. - affects everyone. Moreover, militarization in a manufactured siege atmosphere, has radicalized our police and is a strong contributor to the rash of brutality we've been experiencing around the country over the last few years.
Black men are taking the brunt of that brutality, but some whites are too, especially if they have a mental disorder (Kelly Thomas, Fullerton, CA comes to mind).
Our behavior as a group needs modification, STAT.Replies: @Forbes, @Mad as a Hatter, @NOTA, @Big Bill, @AnAnon, @jackson
“Yet, when we walk down the street and see a black person, we give into that reflex most of us were indoctrinated to have and don’t do enough to resist.”
Why would I want to resist? It only seems natural to me to want to stay as far away from potential threats as possible. A much higher proportion of blacks are demonstrably violent, racist, vengeful and angry. So why shouldn’t I cross the street again?
I would just ignore them. The only reason not to is if you do not wish fence-sitting observers to think they made an unassailable point, in which case you could counter their point without directing your comment at them as if you think they would read it and possibly reply. In my opinion the number of likely fence-sitting observers of any given iSteve post is too small to make countering worthwhile. Maybe I’m wrong.
” “While whites can and do commit a great deal of minor and major crimes, the race as a whole is never tainted by those acts. But when blacks violate the law, all members of the race are considered suspect.”
That is because Whites are a minority of the prison population in the U.S even though we make up the majority of the general U.S population. That is why the thug life “stereotype” does not stick as strongly to Whites as it does to Blacks.
And part of this country reinforces those images as being real and pertinent. Just take a gander at World Star Hip Hop some time.
Whites are arrested more than blacks for pedophilia. Mainly because black pedophiles tend to be armed and more willing to shoot back, thus discouraging attention from the police who prefer to go after the unarmed.
I suspect that blacks care less about black men diddling children than whites do, so it is reported less often in the black community and thus there are less arrests.Replies: @Hare Krishna
Nixonian fear-mongering worked at the ballot box, enough that the Democrats eventually embraced it.
The prison-industrial complex and the militarization of police are a product of bipartisan fearmongering. Eventually it hurt whites as well as blacks and other nonwhites.
Sounds like you hang out with a lot of racists.
One might conclude that you are, but…you know, you have a black friend and all…
Don’t think he’s married but he has kids. I’m not sure the race of their mother. He did come out as being attracted to men but says he’s not bisexual.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/02/nyt-writer-blows-both-ways/
The ex-cop/lawyer who wrote the book “Arrest Proof Yourself”, Dale Carson, put it down to differences in lifestyle. He blames the “black lifestyle of hanging on the street” for disparity in drug arrests. According to him, the white guy will be driving a street legal car and will smoke his dope at home, requiring a warrant . Where the black guys will be bebopping down the street/sidewalk and will smoke in public more often than the white guys. Since cops are basically lazy, they go for the easy arrest of the aspiring rapper vs. the increased work needed to arrest the redneck.
“And it’s our fault for allowing it to continue.” – not knowing what you said, you said it.
This incident opened my eyes to how insidious racism is. If we always judge a person by the worst of society they have almost no chance of bettering themselves no matter how hard they try. Position, wealth, manners, dress, and stance are disregarded and all are suspect, all are guilty. Innocent until proven guilty becomes a fallacy. It becomes the Liberal courts just wouldn't convict them, or I had to shoot.Replies: @Enderby, @Marty, @Whiskey, @The most deplorable one, @Lurker, @Michelle
Exhibit A on why and how White women hate hate hate beta White males and are the enemy.
Sadly Jessicas are all too common.
Though this one might be a troll, the attitude expressed is commonplace.
given that the overwhelming number of serial killers, mass murderers, major financial criminals, crooked politicans, and destroyers of the environment are white
They’re not. In spite of what “everybody knows” in Lefty La-la land, those claims are factually incorrect. But then the whole basis of leftism has always been to simply repeat lies so often that you convince people they are true.
This incident opened my eyes to how insidious racism is. If we always judge a person by the worst of society they have almost no chance of bettering themselves no matter how hard they try. Position, wealth, manners, dress, and stance are disregarded and all are suspect, all are guilty. Innocent until proven guilty becomes a fallacy. It becomes the Liberal courts just wouldn't convict them, or I had to shoot.Replies: @Enderby, @Marty, @Whiskey, @The most deplorable one, @Lurker, @Michelle
We. Don’t. Care.
When you marry a black guy you have to deal with the fact that a higher percentage of them are violent and crime oriented, just the same way I had to deal with the fact that a lower percentage of Chinese are violent and crime oriented.
(Well, maybe I got a better deal. Deal with it.)
I recommend responding calmly and rationally (as indeed usually happens here). Let them see we have the class so sorely missing among the orthodoxy-enforcers at places like The Atlantic, who yell “Racist!” at u§. And who knows, maybe they’ll learn something? One thing I admire about iSteve is that he doesn’t just preach to the choir/drash to the davenners. In a world gone blind and mad he’s an island of sanity.
The real problem is not that there’s too many blacks in prison but that there’s too few. The majority of crimes committed by blacks are unsolved. Rate of homicide clearances in some large urban areas, perpetrated almost entirely by blacks, is often less than half. Add in all the robbers, rapists, muggers, car thieves, burglars and all the rest and you have a lot of blacks who’ve gotten away with all kinds of crimes. That’s the reality of it.
I suspect that is the wrong explanation. Blacks are less able to afford guns than whites are.
I suspect that blacks care less about black men diddling children than whites do, so it is reported less often in the black community and thus there are less arrests.
Black pedos are more likely to use guns than white pedos and more likely to kill their victims, which deters attention from police. Cops won't mess with people who shoot back.Replies: @Hard Line Realist
Whites as a whole are not stereotyped as thugs but subgroups like the Russians and my people the Italians are stereotyped as thugs, especially in Hollywood films.
But even Russians and Italians still do not commit anywhere near as much crime per capita as African Americans and Hispanics.
But you never hear the left wing Democratic PC police complain about negative stereotypes of Russians and Italians.
There is something very wrong with the way, we whites, were raised, what we feel, believe, and act upon, when we think of black people. People are people. Race doesn't make a person any more likely to commit a crime.
Charles is absolutely right in pointing out that the escalation in punishment - three strikes, etc. - affects everyone. Moreover, militarization in a manufactured siege atmosphere, has radicalized our police and is a strong contributor to the rash of brutality we've been experiencing around the country over the last few years.
Black men are taking the brunt of that brutality, but some whites are too, especially if they have a mental disorder (Kelly Thomas, Fullerton, CA comes to mind).
Our behavior as a group needs modification, STAT.Replies: @Forbes, @Mad as a Hatter, @NOTA, @Big Bill, @AnAnon, @jackson
Race surely doesn’t make anyone more likely to commit a crime, but if you want to get a very fast estimate of the probability that a particular guy will mug you, using only what you can observe right then, his race is highly informative. (Sex and age are even bigger clues–there aren’t a lot of women muggers, or 50 year old muggers.)
Are crime statistics affected by racial bias of police and prosecutors and judges? Probably so. How much does that change the impact you should give to race in your own quick assessment of threats? I don’t have hard data here, but my best guess, based on available crime statistics and anecdote and observation of what dangerous neighborhoods look like, is that you should still give race a lot of weight in that assessment.
It would have been even better if Tim Wise’s name really was “Weiss” since it means white in German.
Obama donor failed to enforce all aspects of a desegregation consent decree:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/08/dinesh-dsouza-prosecutor-accused-of-failing-to-enforce-anti-discrimination-court-order/
the overwhelming number of serial killers, mass murderers, major financial criminals, crooked politicans, and destroyers of the environment are white
Not really, no.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf
Blacks are about 13% of the population but a third of forgers and counterfeiters. Same for fraud and embezzlement. Blacks seem to constitute a little less than half of the serial killers.
http://skdb.fgcu.edu/public/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics%2019OCT2013.pdf
Not really, no.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf
Blacks are about 13% of the population but a third of forgers and counterfeiters. Same for fraud and embezzlement. Blacks seem to constitute a little less than half of the serial killers.
http://skdb.fgcu.edu/public/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics%2019OCT2013.pdfReplies: @EriK
Thanks, I was too lazy to look up the numbers
There is something very wrong with the way, we whites, were raised, what we feel, believe, and act upon, when we think of black people. People are people. Race doesn't make a person any more likely to commit a crime.
Charles is absolutely right in pointing out that the escalation in punishment - three strikes, etc. - affects everyone. Moreover, militarization in a manufactured siege atmosphere, has radicalized our police and is a strong contributor to the rash of brutality we've been experiencing around the country over the last few years.
Black men are taking the brunt of that brutality, but some whites are too, especially if they have a mental disorder (Kelly Thomas, Fullerton, CA comes to mind).
Our behavior as a group needs modification, STAT.Replies: @Forbes, @Mad as a Hatter, @NOTA, @Big Bill, @AnAnon, @jackson
Yeah … on TV.
Do some research.
I don’t think blacks are less punitive than whites, they just don’t like to see a black person being disciplined/investigated/arrested/sentenced or punished by a white person. If the authority figure is also black I think they may even be in favor of stricter punishment. For example, black people are the group most likely to favor using corporal punishment to discipline their children. See the following article and also note the damage control by its white academic author.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/08/14/is-spanking-a-black-and-white-issue/its-not-just-black-parents
Surprisingly, female-headed households are actually more likely to use physical punishment. Unsurprisingly, boys usually receive harsher punishment.
To be fair, personally I can imagine that it might feel worse to be arrested or sentenced by someone who is from a different race or official group. I guess the only way to avoid this is to stay on the right side of the law. For those who don’t, the increasing number of Asian judges in places like California mean that more and more criminals will experience this, not just black people anymore. And I’m sure that fact will be hailed by many of the diversity boosters.
Must’ve missed this bit.
Jewish woman, member of the group most responsible for the “white privilege” and “white guilt” memes (from which Jews largely consider themselves exempt), which are nothing more than collective punishment:
Conscious collective punishment by Jews against whites is good, but subconscious collective punishment by whites against blacks is bad.
Like, say, blacks’ lack of street smarts. Given the level of criminality in the black community, you’d think they’d learn some of the basics of dealing with the law, even if just by osmosis, but nope, they never seem to, generally speaking (the few really hard-core gangsters seem to be an exception).
How could Jews like Chris Pine and Alison Brie really not be included in "white privilege"?
They're representative of the latest generation of Jews in that Jews under 35 have more Christian ancestry than Jewish ancestry.
Dog turd. She’s the woman he intends to marry and bear his children, and he punches her in the face. ‘Course, she went on to marry him, so, match made in Heaven.
Everyone, Morton is one of the myriad names our one or two resident lefty sock-puppet-army trolls give themselves. All of these sock puppets together have one or two IPs.
I, for one, vote that Unz should ban all repeat sock-puppet offenders. Different ideas are fine; sock-puppet-happy trolls should be given the bum’s rush.
See what happens, the second the black/lib tries to use statistics? Fail. Whites are underrepresented among the ranks of serial killers in the US, relative to their population, while blacks are dramatically over-represented:
Serial Killing’s Squarest Pegs: Not Solo, White, Psychosexual or Picky (New York Times, 2002-10-28)
America is under 13% black. So, according to the studies known to the NYT in 2002, blacks are serial killers at a rate ranging from “slightly overrepresented” to “nearly twice as high as their share of the population.”
P.S., the “we” stuff is cute. Who are you, Tim Wise? He does that same “we whites” thing, when it’s clear he’s only white for the purposes of criticizing whites from the inside, and only as long as he’s criticizing whites. Otherwise, he’s a Jew.
Given blacks’ dramatic lack of sexual and legal propriety relative to whites, I think it’s a safe bet that those values explain the disparity. Hard to police a group that doesn’t want to be policed.
Indeed, just as studies show that cops are hesitant to shoot blacks when they deserve it because they fear litigation, mobs, rioting, and media shitstorms, it’s likely that the justice system is going soft on blacks, too; they’re slightly better-represented in crime victimization surveys than in arrest and conviction stats. ‘Course, it might be just down to the black community’s shriveled sense of civic duty (“no snitchin’”).
“To be fair, personally I can imagine that it might feel worse to be arrested or sentenced by someone who is from a different race or official group. I guess the only way to avoid this is to stay on the right side of the law. For those who don’t, the increasing number of Asian judges in places like California mean that more and more criminals will experience this, not just black people anymore. And I’m sure that fact will be hailed by many of the diversity boosters.”
White people are not racially tribal so on average they do not get angry at the sight of a Black police officer arresting a White person or a Black judge sentencing a White person to many years in prison.
That’s why the case of Louis Henry Gates Jr. being arrested while trying to get into his own house was so interesting. I don’t know all the details of the case, but although Prof. Gates is black and I guess might be profiled by some people for that, he also has several characteristics that would seem to place him in a different profile: First, he walks with a pronounced limp and uses a cane. Second, he’s not exactly young. Third, he’s physically not that large. Fourth, he often dresses in a professorial/conservative, L L Bean/Land’s End sort of way, even wearing pink polo shirts. And fifth, he has fairly light brown skin, wears glasses, and his face does not look particularly powerful or physically threatening. In other words, he looks like the sort of person who if he pulled out a gun on someone, it would be an ivory-handled Derringer rather than a cheap 9mm. I think there was a picture of him riding his adult tricycle in one of the posts on this blog. I’m not sure what patterns tripped off inside his white female neighbor’s head when she called the cops, but if it was the black man = thug profile, I’d be tempted to profile her in a different way.
I think that just as Steve has pointed out that many of the smart and successful people who like to say that IQ doesn’t exist, probably haven’t spent much time with people who just aren’t that bright and therefore tend to underestimate their prevalence, it is easy for those unaffected by certain negative stereotypes to underestimate how many people really do react to them. And that goes for stereotypes that black people are unaffected by too, such as being assumed to be racist (at least in the media).
Here’s the evidence:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pedophile&hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&tbm=nws&ei=0V0OVNbcBNW4ogSxwoHoBQ&start=0&sa=N
Keep checking it every week and see for yourself that pedophiles (and child pornographers) are overwhelmingly white. The perverted perps are usually “upstanding” members of their communities: cops, teachers, priests, pastors, coaches….
Like this kind of white violence?
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/09/08/baltimore-ravens-fire-ray-rice-despite-wife-janay-palmer-not-having-issue-with-knock-out-punch/
She clearly provoked him.
“Position, wealth, manners, dress, and stance are disregarded and all are suspect, all are guilty.”
Finally, someone who understands that what whites really fear is being robbed and killed by a rich, successful, polite, well dressed black man with good posture.
I think that just as Steve has pointed out that many of the smart and successful people who like to say that IQ doesn't exist, probably haven't spent much time with people who just aren't that bright and therefore tend to underestimate their prevalence, it is easy for those unaffected by certain negative stereotypes to underestimate how many people really do react to them. And that goes for stereotypes that black people are unaffected by too, such as being assumed to be racist (at least in the media).Replies: @Steve Sailer
A man trying to break into his own house could be a potential domestic violence situation (if his wife had locked him out). Maybe the woman neighbor in Cambridge who called the cops on Gates was a Women’s Studies professor and expert on Male Rape Culture? You can’t trust any man, even if he’s as harmless looking as Henry Louis Gates.
https://www.google.com/search?q=pedophile&hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&tbm=nws&ei=0V0OVNbcBNW4ogSxwoHoBQ&start=0&sa=N
Keep checking it every week and see for yourself that pedophiles (and child pornographers) are overwhelmingly white. The perverted perps are usually "upstanding" members of their communities: cops, teachers, priests, pastors, coaches....Replies: @Voltaire's Spinning Corpse, @syonredux, @syonredux
Bliss (lol) wrote:
Damn. And I was even explicit. Do I have to define terms like proportionate every time I post? Guess this is the downside to Steve’s expanding readership.
At any rate, Bliss (lol), that’s not evidence that white people commit these crimes in numbers disproportionate to their overall numbers in the population (unlike blacks committing rape, robbery, murder etc in vastly disproportionate numbers). You do understand, Bliss (lol), that there are far more whites in this country than blacks, right?
Former NFLer Jerramy Stevens was arrested for domestic violence vs his then-finance GK Hope Solo. She married him the next day. And then Solo gets arrested this past June for domestic violence vs her sister and nephew.
Are athletes getting more violent with the passing decades? Is there a possible PED component to the whole thing? Athletes who are arrested for committing violent crimes appear to be represented in NFL, boxing, perhaps even soccer but not so in say, golf. Hard to imagine Lefty Mickelson beating up and bruising his wife and kids with a 9 iron, putting tee, or niblick.
I think this crime is dealt with in the black community frequently, shall we say, in house? I imagine there’s a lot of, don’t call the cops! It’ll be Uncle Marcus’s third strike!
Plus, I’m sure there’s a great deal of under-reporting, given the chaotic nature of black urban culture and family.
Can we please create a safe space here?
If I wanted to read insane ramblings about how evil white people are, I would open the newspaper.
Absolutely ridiculous. In fact, this passage includes the seeds of its own refutation.
What is the worst crime in the world? Racism.
And right here, it seems that all Whites stand convicted of engaging in the racist practice of considering all Blacks to be suspect.
“What is the worst crime in the world? Racism.”
Like when the liberal media were more upset that all of Jeffrey Dahmer’s victims were Black than they were that he likes to eat Human flesh for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
Being a White racist is seen as a million times worst than being a cannibal.
If I wanted to read insane ramblings about how evil white people are, I would open the newspaper.Replies: @The most deplorable one
Dude, if you want a safe space, go to an SJW site!
“Are athletes getting more violent with the passing decades? Is there a possible PED component to the whole thing? Athletes who are arrested for committing violent crimes appear to be represented in NFL,”
Look at at the racial demographics of the NFL.
My vague impression is that child sex abuse correlates to some extent with drunkenness, perhaps due to the inhibition-lowering effects of alcohol. I’ve heard that it’s pretty bad on Indian reservations, for example.
Ditto for Aboriginal settlements in Australia.
Off topic, but more on cousin marriage and genetic defects
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11458505.Birth_defects_are_the_biggest_killer_of_children_in_the_Bradford_district/?ref=mr
W.T.F?
This isn’t any MSM outlet I’m familiar with.
“A man trying to break into his own house could be a potential domestic violence situation (if his wife had locked him out). Maybe the woman neighbor in Cambridge who called the cops on Gates was a Women’s Studies professor and expert on Male Rape Culture? You can’t trust any man, even if he’s as harmless looking as Henry Louis Gates.”
Henry Louis Gates lives in an affluent neighborhood and most Women’s Studies professors easily pull in over $100,000 a year, so most likely he does have neighbors who are hardcore feminists.
This incident opened my eyes to how insidious racism is. If we always judge a person by the worst of society they have almost no chance of bettering themselves no matter how hard they try. Position, wealth, manners, dress, and stance are disregarded and all are suspect, all are guilty. Innocent until proven guilty becomes a fallacy. It becomes the Liberal courts just wouldn't convict them, or I had to shoot.Replies: @Enderby, @Marty, @Whiskey, @The most deplorable one, @Lurker, @Michelle
But not to the insidious damage caused of the loitering gang banger in your story. You should take it up with him before complaining about (white) society.
Blow is gay.
I’ve been waiting for a chance to write that. It was worth the wait.
(I also think that D***k J***r is gay, FWIW.)
O/T: the reason they didn’t do anything about Ray Rice before the tape is because we don’t value black women. It’s always whitey’s fault.
Right. Good point.
Another overlooked factor is that Blacks are much more likely to attack strangers, which is what is relevant when it comes to sizing up a stranger on the street.
Only at America’s international airports will you find equal opportunity racial profiling where a 90 year old Korean woman is just as equally suspect of being a Jihadist terrorist as a 30 year old Palestinian man.
That is politically correct racial profiling for you.
“Right. Good point.
Another overlooked factor is that Blacks are much more likely to attack strangers, which is what is relevant when it comes to sizing up a stranger on the street.”
Yeah Blacks on average are way more likely to commit random acts of violence against total strangers they have never met before, for example polar bear hunting.
The vast majority of White violence happens between friends who had a falling apart and became enemies as well as between family members and romantic lovers.
Drew Peterson is a great example of typical White violence, he never hurt and terrorized random strangers. All of his victims were people he knew personally.
It’s also pretty bad in Aboriginal settlements/camps in Australia.
Another overlooked factor is that Blacks are much more likely to attack strangers, which is what is relevant when it comes to sizing up a stranger on the street.Replies: @Voltaire's Spinning Corpse
Lefties like to lump in white-husband-kills-white-wife murder with black-stranger robs/rapes-white-woman-home-alone type murder, for statistical obfuscation purposes. And ignoramuses go…see. See?
I read through countless accounts of killings in LA County from 2007 – 2009 in the LA Times’ Homicide Report. A lot of the white-on-white killings were of the Unemployed Middle Aged Man Who Lives With His Mother, Shoots Mom Then Himself variety.
White people are not racially tribal so on average they do not get angry at the sight of a Black police officer arresting a White person or a Black judge sentencing a White person to many years in prison.Replies: @Voltaire's Spinning Corpse
There was actually a study done a few years back (University of Maryland, I believe) that showed that blacks rated pain inflicted by whites as more intense (i.e. worse) than the exact same level of pain inflicted by blacks.
Shockingly the media had no interest in this study or its implications.
[Citation needed]
How could Jews like Chris Pine and Alison Brie really not be included in “white privilege”?
They’re representative of the latest generation of Jews in that Jews under 35 have more Christian ancestry than Jewish ancestry.
“I read through countless accounts of killings in LA County from 2007 – 2009 in the LA Times’ Homicide Report. A lot of the white-on-white killings were of the Unemployed Middle Aged Man Who Lives With His Mother, Shoots Mom Then Himself variety.”
So gang/thug life related killings are not the number 1 most common type of White violence in Los Angeles County ? Color me shocked.
But than again there aren’t any White gangs in the Los Angeles metropolitan area unless you count Armenians as White.
There seem to be multiple “Chuck”s posting here. Or maybe this is one of my alter egos.
I couldn’t find any references to any white street (nonprison) gangs in Los Angeles County. The closest white gang to Los Angeles appeared to be in Hemet, which is about 90 miles inland. A few white gangbangers were killed in this time period, but they appeared to be part of Chicano gang life.
While I shouldn’t, I can’t help but LOL this. Ever read about Jack Kerouac’s final days at his mom’s house in Lowell?
I’ll go with chuck11 then — for now.
“As the Sentencing Project report makes clear, the entire government and media machinery is complicit in the distortion. …”
Ya, so Steve I looked into this. The authors of the “The Sentencing Project ” misrepresented the data pretty badly. On page 13 and 14, the paper states:
“A national survey conducted in 2010 asked white respondents to estimate the percentage of burglaries, illegal drug sales, and juvenile crime committed by African Americans. The researchers found that the respondents overestimated actual black participation in these crimes – measured by arrests – by approximately 20 to 30 percent (between 6.6 to 9.5 percentage points). Similarly, a racially diverse group of participants in a 2002 survey estimated that 40% of people who committed violent rimes were African American, when crime victimization surveys showed this rate to be 29%….The second approach to measuring racial perceptions of crime draws on the General Social Survey (GSS). Produced by NORC at the University of Chicago, this long-running survey has asked respondents to rank various racial and ethnic groups on a scale ranging from “tend to be violence prone” to “tend not to be prone to violence….”
The first data point comes from Pickett et al. (2012) Table 2. The authors selectively report estimates for the Florida — not the National — sample. The second data point comes from Chiricos et al. (2004). The Sentencing Project authors selectively report the one estimate that is substantially higher than average. Chiricos et al. (2004) state:
“Responses to the three questions are aggregated into an index with an alpha of 0.83. Estimates substantially exaggerate black involvement in violent crime, slightly exaggerate black involvement in burglary and underestimate black involvement in robbery. For example, the median respondent perception of black involvement in violent crime is 39.8 percent, but victim surveys put that level at 29.4 percent for completed crimes of violence (U.S. Department of Justice, 2003a). Respondents put black involvement in burglary at 38.3 percent, but blacks comprise 31.6 percent of those arrested for that crime (U.S. Department of Justice, 2002). Survey respondents attribute 39.8 percent of robberies to black offenders, but victim surveys put black involvement in completed robberies at 48.8 percent (U.S. Department of Justice, 2003a”
The third comes from GSS. The authors don’t report it, but the standard deviation is 1.31, meaning that the perceived B/W d of crime is around 0.6, as opposed to the real 1.0 or so.
There are a lot of technical issues here, but basically, across the three samples, the perceived differences are no greater than the actual ones. And they are remarkably accurate. Based on the data presented in the report, there is no actual public racial over-perceptions of crime, at least in the case of Blacks.
…
But of course, it doesn’t matter — when you have the microphone.
Back to the Blow:
“As the Sentencing Project report makes clear, the entire government and media machinery is complicit in the distortion.”
Indeed.
White gangs in L.A. disappeared about 1980 or so – part of the general wussification of L.A. whites.
For example you don't see whites doing this, which just happened today in Memphis reported by Drudge.
http://www.thv11.com/story/news/crime/2014/09/07/over-100-teens-swarm-memphis-plaza-knocking-out-shoppers/15262309/
This is a black phenomena and IMO just the beginning of blacks attacks white en-mass unless law enforcement puts the kibosh on it. And of course the Left ignores this behavior or simply trivializes it.
"As the Sentencing Project report makes clear, the entire government and media machinery is complicit in the distortion. …"
Ya, so Steve I looked into this. The authors of the "The Sentencing Project " misrepresented the data pretty badly. On page 13 and 14, the paper states:
"A national survey conducted in 2010 asked white respondents to estimate the percentage of burglaries, illegal drug sales, and juvenile crime committed by African Americans. The researchers found that the respondents overestimated actual black participation in these crimes – measured by arrests – by approximately 20 to 30 percent (between 6.6 to 9.5 percentage points). Similarly, a racially diverse group of participants in a 2002 survey estimated that 40% of people who committed violent rimes were African American, when crime victimization surveys showed this rate to be 29%....The second approach to measuring racial perceptions of crime draws on the General Social Survey (GSS). Produced by NORC at the University of Chicago, this long-running survey has asked respondents to rank various racial and ethnic groups on a scale ranging from “tend to be violence prone” to “tend not to be prone to violence...."
The first data point comes from Pickett et al. (2012) Table 2. The authors selectively report estimates for the Florida -- not the National -- sample. The second data point comes from Chiricos et al. (2004). The Sentencing Project authors selectively report the one estimate that is substantially higher than average. Chiricos et al. (2004) state:
"Responses to the three questions are aggregated into an index with an alpha of 0.83. Estimates substantially exaggerate black involvement in violent crime, slightly exaggerate black involvement in burglary and underestimate black involvement in robbery. For example, the median respondent perception of black involvement in violent crime is 39.8 percent, but victim surveys put that level at 29.4 percent for completed crimes of violence (U.S. Department of Justice, 2003a). Respondents put black involvement in burglary at 38.3 percent, but blacks comprise 31.6 percent of those arrested for that crime (U.S. Department of Justice, 2002). Survey respondents attribute 39.8 percent of robberies to black offenders, but victim surveys put black involvement in completed robberies at 48.8 percent (U.S. Department of Justice, 2003a"
The third comes from GSS. The authors don't report it, but the standard deviation is 1.31, meaning that the perceived B/W d of crime is around 0.6, as opposed to the real 1.0 or so.
There are a lot of technical issues here, but basically, across the three samples, the perceived differences are no greater than the actual ones. And they are remarkably accurate. Based on the data presented in the report, there is no actual public racial over-perceptions of crime, at least in the case of Blacks.
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But of course, it doesn't matter -- when you have the microphone.
Back to the Blow:
"As the Sentencing Project report makes clear, the entire government and media machinery is complicit in the distortion."
Indeed.Replies: @Steve Sailer
Thanks, Chuck11.
Also, people aren’t very good at giving quantitative estimates of percentages to pollsters. Demographic estimates by the public would routinely would add up to over 100% if taken separately. People aren’t very good at doing arithmetic in their heads.
http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/racial-typification1.pdf
http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/do-racial-stereotypes.pdf
Hold it hold it hold it.
Regarding domestic violence, uh, Ray Rice…he bashed in his then fiancee’s face. Seems like he knew her fairly well. Ray MacDonald, 49ers DE was just arrested couple days ago for FELONY domestic assault vs pregnant GF. The 49ers owner is a woman but that didn’t stop him from playing yesterday vs Dallas. Coach Harbaugh had stated that domestic violence would’t be tolerated, but obviously….it’s Dallas and some things apparently a little more important. Have to keep up w/Seattle in the division, after all.
NFL has quite a lot of domestic violent offenders. Hint: Most of them are non-white.
Blacks are quite well represented in the domestic violence category, btw…they may in fact commit more total numbers per yr than whites total.
Certain L.A. cholo gangs have always had large non-Latino white memberships.
L.A. whites were never terribly violent or disorderly. They tended to originate in the well-behaved upper midwest. And James Q. Wilson talked about being struck by how territorial Boston whites were when he got to Harvard around 1950. In LA/Long Beach, he said, you just went somewhere in your car, so street turf seemed like kind of a silly notion.
If you get far enough inland, you get the Hells Angels starting up in San Bernardino.
I sense Parker and Gates also had a lot to do with the lack of balls that L.A. whites had.
San Francisco whites, in the pre-SWPL days, had more balls, I take it...
Blacks are quite well represented in the domestic violence category, btw…they may in fact commit more total numbers per yr than whites total.
Withdraw that claim immediately, you waaacisst, and sell your NBA franchise!
I see quite a few hispanics featured on local Kansas City tv news that are wanted for some indecency with a child. It’s noticeable because KC is not exactly Texas, at least not yet. So seeing so many hispanics really stands out. Given that states like Missouri classify hispanic offenders as white, might the white pedophile rate be driven higher by the inclusion of hispanics?
So is it rational for parents to leave their children alone with white priests, teachers, coaches etc? Shouldn't they be pulling their children close to themselves when a white catholic priest approaches?Replies: @Michelle
That might account for why the white population of L.A. became so SWPL-ized and why they got walked all over. They had an inferior culture to begin with. If L.A. whites had been more like those of the Northeast or even the Bay Area, their culture probably would not have collapsed and they would not have surrendered to nonwhites without resistance. For certain they wouldn’t have been so quick to get out of Dodge and they would have fought back.
I sense Parker and Gates also had a lot to do with the lack of balls that L.A. whites had.
San Francisco whites, in the pre-SWPL days, had more balls, I take it…
Sounds like L.A. was just built on a bad foundation. Thus in retrospect it becomes clear it was doomed.
Btw. here were the two referenced papers:
http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/racial-typification1.pdf
http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/do-racial-stereotypes.pdf
“Voltaire’s Spinning Corpse says:
Damn. And I was even explicit. Do I have to define terms like proportionate every time I post? Guess this is the downside to Steve’s expanding readership.
At any rate, Bliss (lol), that’s not evidence that white people commit these crimes in numbers disproportionate to their overall numbers in the population (unlike blacks committing rape, robbery, murder etc in vastly disproportionate numbers). You do understand, Bliss (lol), that there are far more whites in this country than blacks, right?”
Fractions are racist.
Damn. And I was even explicit. Do I have to define terms like proportionate every time I post? Guess this is the downside to Steve’s expanding readership.
At any rate, Bliss (lol), that’s not evidence that white people commit these crimes in numbers disproportionate to their overall numbers in the population (unlike blacks committing rape, robbery, murder etc in vastly disproportionate numbers). You do understand, Bliss (lol), that there are far more whites in this country than blacks, right?"
Fractions are racist.Replies: @Steve Sailer
There are a lot of things that blacks are fairly good at that nobody much notices. Blacks appear to be fairly decent at driving cars, at least relative to social standing, for example, while Mexicans and, especially, American Indians have trouble with drunk driving. This is not to say that blacks are better at driving, just that there aren’t many stereotypes of blacks being bad at driving.
I also haven’t seen many stereotypes of blacks being all that big in the odder sexual deviations like pedophilia, so I wouldn’t be surprised if, adjusted for the usual things, blacks were underrepresented among pedophiles.
@Mr. Anon
"There are a lot of things that blacks are fairly good at that nobody much notices. Blacks appear to be fairly decent at driving cars, at least relative to social standing, for example, while Mexicans and, especially...."
Steve: I'm an airline pilot. Prior to my airline job I flew F-16's and F-4's (I'm dating myself, I know) in the USAF. My evidence is entirely anecdotal, but the black guys I've flown with, both in the Air Force and in the airlines, have been pretty good. Not invincible like in the "Red Tails" silliness, but competent. It could be a selection thing in that going through the steps necessary to get an airline pilot job ( particularly through the civilian route,) requires a lot of sacrifice that only makes sense if you really want to be a pilot.
The worst group of pilots I've ever been around? Women. By far. I've flown with dozens and dozens of them and can count on one hand the ones that I'd consider to be even average. A general lack of situation awareness (called the "clue bird" in the USAF) combined with the need to demonstrate how equal they are leads to: a below average performer unwillingly to take any steps to improve or even acknowledge the need to improve. I've been on flights with a passenger and when I learned both pilots are women, seriously considered getting off.Replies: @Bliss
It’s certainly not conspiracy theory, it’s reality rearing it’s ugly head and the Left hates it.
For example you don’t see whites doing this, which just happened today in Memphis reported by Drudge.
http://www.thv11.com/story/news/crime/2014/09/07/over-100-teens-swarm-memphis-plaza-knocking-out-shoppers/15262309/
This is a black phenomena and IMO just the beginning of blacks attacks white en-mass unless law enforcement puts the kibosh on it. And of course the Left ignores this behavior or simply trivializes it.
This incident opened my eyes to how insidious racism is. If we always judge a person by the worst of society they have almost no chance of bettering themselves no matter how hard they try. Position, wealth, manners, dress, and stance are disregarded and all are suspect, all are guilty. Innocent until proven guilty becomes a fallacy. It becomes the Liberal courts just wouldn't convict them, or I had to shoot.Replies: @Enderby, @Marty, @Whiskey, @The most deplorable one, @Lurker, @Michelle
I am chuckling at your nonsense. First of all, purses slip off women’s shoulders. I have to hitch mine up a hundred or more times a day. If I happen to walk by a Black man and my purse strap starts to slip and I use my hand to put it back up over my shoulder is he a racist to think that I as a white woman think that he is a mugger? Also, I have been mugged by 2 black teens who wore hoodies. I live near a high school and was unconcerned over the teens who followed me from a bus stop then knocked me down and stole my purse and my groceries and came by my house to steal my mail. So now, am I a racist to fear Black teens wearing hoodies when they follow me? Or am I a realist? Many Blacks love it when white people, and other Black people, are scared of them. I don’t really care what Black teens think or your husband thinks. Really, I was permanently harmed, by being mugged, i.e., I rarely leave my house anymore, while your husband was\is in no way harmed by a harmless old lady. In fact, he could have told her how sorry he was that she was afraid of him. She is the one who was terrified, or so you claim. Maybe she was once violently mugged or raped by a Black man. How does it feel to be scared?
I'm a white guy who has suffered many mean looks in White areas and many many more in Black ones. Grow up. That is not racism, you poor dear.Replies: @Harold, @Southfarthing, @Winky Dinky
Right, I’ve been in numerous situations where a group of thugs look me up and down and look around to gauge whether they should try to rob me.
When I go jogging in my neighborhood, I’ve had thugs yell racist taunts.
I’ve had a thug pull a knife on me on an empty subway car late at night after a long day of work.
I can only imagine how bad it is for women in those situations.
I’d much rather receive a wary look from an old lady.
Withdraw that claim immediately, you waaacisst, and sell your NBA franchise!Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
Not NBA, try Chivas Regal!
He does not understand. These people do not understand statistics and they never will. As for whites being responsible for most acts of pedophilia that is just stupid. Any body who has been around a lot of Black men know that many are pedophiles and hebephiles. I think bliss only thinks of pedophilia as a crime if it’s the gay variety. It is extremely common among Blacks in many countries if you judge it by our Western standards. Of course, their standards are different as in, they tolerate and even encourage it. Check the rates of it in Haiti and Africa. Seriously, in the US Black men are raping a lot of their girlfriends’ children. Not to mention murdering them. Killing kids one by one may not seem as disturbing as killing many of them in a shooting rampage, but I’d rather be shot to death quickly by a loony with a high powered weapon than raped, beaten and tortured multiple times until I finally died at the hands of my mother’s boyfriend. But you know, that’s just me.
Just from looking at the names and pictures of the busted perverts the conclusion is inescapable: pedophilia and child porn is dis-proportionally a crime perpetrated by whites of western european origin.
So is it rational for parents to leave their children alone with white priests, teachers, coaches etc? Shouldn’t they be pulling their children close to themselves when a white catholic priest approaches?
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article2033252.html
“I think that’s a much-overlooked factor, when people look at inter-racial predation statistics. Indeed, blacks go shopping, dining, show-watching etc in white areas all the time, and the worst that happens is they get a dirty look. Whites, meanwhile, avoid black areas.”
African American areas are so hostile to White people that a White person in a Black neighborhood who only gets dirty looks but nothing more is actually a best case scenario. Worst case scenario is what happened to that White driver in Detroit who is now in a coma.
While a Black person who gets dirty looks in a White area most of the time is actually a “worst case scenario”, because statistically White violence towards Blacks is similar to man bites dog or getting struck by lightening.
“I’ve heard that it’s pretty bad on Indian reservations, for example.”
Ditto for Aboriginal settlements in Australia.
Off topic, but more on cousin marriage and genetic defects
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11458505.Birth_defects_are_the_biggest_killer_of_children_in_the_Bradford_district/?ref=mr
Regarding black sex crimes just check the sex offender registry to get an idea of who is doing what. If one checks the registry for Chicago offenders ( Illinois Sex Offender Information- isp.state.ill.us/sor/sor.cfm) one finds that the zip codes for black neighborhoods have pages of offenders, the white ones not very much and even there many of the offenders are not white. The majority of registered sex offenders in Chicago appear to be black. Most are nobodies who got caught in some way. It’s not for nothing that the theme of sex predators play a prominent role in the writings of black female writers such as T Morrison and others.
Judging a group of people based on personal experience is wrong. My father is the same way and we still have a strained relationship over my choice of husband. Haha. I think if every white girl could feel a black man inside her then eventually there would be no racism. Thank goodness such relationships are being encouraged. In fact I encourage my nieces to only date men of colour. That is the way to defeat people like you guys-win the intimacy war!
You would have done better to marry a Chinese guy.
Seriously, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2748971/Sex-cult-uncovered-Israel-women-brainwashed-thinking-sleep-non-Jews-save-Jewish-race.htmlMessianic Jews get a (relatively) hard time in Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism#Response_of_Israeli_governmenthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehava
Sounds like a hate group to me. Have the SPLC been told ?
https://www.google.com/search?q=pedophile&hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&tbm=nws&ei=0V0OVNbcBNW4ogSxwoHoBQ&start=0&sa=N
Keep checking it every week and see for yourself that pedophiles (and child pornographers) are overwhelmingly white. The perverted perps are usually "upstanding" members of their communities: cops, teachers, priests, pastors, coaches....Replies: @Voltaire's Spinning Corpse, @syonredux, @syonredux
http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/myth-whites-are-more-likely-to-be-pedophiles-and-child-molesters/
https://www.google.com/search?q=pedophile&hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&tbm=nws&ei=0V0OVNbcBNW4ogSxwoHoBQ&start=0&sa=N
Keep checking it every week and see for yourself that pedophiles (and child pornographers) are overwhelmingly white. The perverted perps are usually "upstanding" members of their communities: cops, teachers, priests, pastors, coaches....Replies: @Voltaire's Spinning Corpse, @syonredux, @syonredux
Blacks are less likely to report abuse:
http://newsone.com/1812055/when-the-silence-gets-too-loud-sexual-abuse-in-the-black-community/
Charles Blow’s wife is a 15-stone blonde. Same as it ever was.
“creepy ass crackers,”
There’s a difference between creepy-ass crackers and creepy ass-crackers. But someone could be both.
Before replying to someone you suspect might be a drive-by troll, you could click on their name and look at their commenting history to see if they have ever engaged in a discussion.
People like you used to condemn us for using stereotypes, now you wont even let us use personal experience!
We don’t care who you have sex with but did you think of the consequences for your children? Lower IQ, more prone to violence against women, more prone to sexually abusing children and so on.
You would have done better to marry a Chinese guy.
Seriously, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
1. Please stop responding to the troll comments
2. Black sexual abuse of (black) children is rampant, and mostly unreported. Id say te rate of pedophilia between blacks and whites is about equal, but blacks have way more opportunities to get way with it, and lower future orientation making them more likely to just go for it. Single working mothers, random men of all ages just hanging around, alcohol and drug abuse, black women deteriorating extremely with age, etc, it’s a perfect storm. Some of it is handled internally, if the perp is dumb enough to abuse a kid with male relatives or friends who care. But there’s plenty of black kids who have no such people in their lives, and it’s easy for these predators to pick easy targets. The mom is either working just to survive or strung out/drunk, so nobody even notices. If somebody notices, it’s still a he said she said. If it’s even brought to the police They have a buddy who will vouch for them. Poor blacks often can’t easily just move to get away from the a users either, as they are dependent on local government assistance to pay their rent, etc.
It’s a tragic situation, but understandably it’s not a priority for white society to deal with, as we have way too many of our own white kids being abused to worry about.
I suspect that blacks care less about black men diddling children than whites do, so it is reported less often in the black community and thus there are less arrests.Replies: @Hare Krishna
Since when are black criminals less likely than whites to commit violent acts with firearms in order to avoid being caught?
Black pedos are more likely to use guns than white pedos and more likely to kill their victims, which deters attention from police. Cops won’t mess with people who shoot back.
Some people in Israel seem to be trying that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2748971/Sex-cult-uncovered-Israel-women-brainwashed-thinking-sleep-non-Jews-save-Jewish-race.html
Messianic Jews get a (relatively) hard time in Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism#Response_of_Israeli_government
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehava
Sounds like a hate group to me. Have the SPLC been told ?
Tim Wise a jewish anti-white, racist.
I’d agree with that. The unique demographics of “white spot” era Los Angeles managed to transform many of its institutions into unsustainable forms suitable only for the conditions that existed at the time, circa 1950 or so. As soon as those conditions changed – not just racial and ethnic, but political – it fell apart. And L.A.’s white population was too Eloi-ized and tamed to do a thing to try to protect it or save it. Then again, what does one expect from a city which has no natural reason to exist given the lack of water? It was a dream for a few decades, but like all dreams, it died.
I’ve heard that it’s pretty bad on Indian reservations, for example. Absolutely horrific. Terrible levels of child abuse and typically the victim is blamed. I’ve seen it literally hundreds of times.
Black pedos are more likely to use guns than white pedos and more likely to kill their victims, which deters attention from police. Cops won't mess with people who shoot back.Replies: @Hard Line Realist
Obviously you haven’t heard about Christopher Dorner.
There is something very wrong with the way, we whites, were raised, what we feel, believe, and act upon, when we think of black people. People are people. Race doesn't make a person any more likely to commit a crime.
Charles is absolutely right in pointing out that the escalation in punishment - three strikes, etc. - affects everyone. Moreover, militarization in a manufactured siege atmosphere, has radicalized our police and is a strong contributor to the rash of brutality we've been experiencing around the country over the last few years.
Black men are taking the brunt of that brutality, but some whites are too, especially if they have a mental disorder (Kelly Thomas, Fullerton, CA comes to mind).
Our behavior as a group needs modification, STAT.Replies: @Forbes, @Mad as a Hatter, @NOTA, @Big Bill, @AnAnon, @jackson
“Whites steal. Whites cheat. Whites rape. Whites rob at gun and knife point. Whites murder. Whites drink and do drugs and then go on to commit related crimes. Whites commit white collar crimes (embezzlement, crooked deals like Countrywide mortgage scandal). Whites lie. Whites constitute the vast majority of serial killers. Yet, when we walk down the street and see a black person, we give into that reflex most of us were indoctrinated to have and don’t do enough to resist. ” – You can move into all black neighborhoods to get away from the accursed scourge of the white criminal element any time you want, you see the very same evil that leads us to not cross the street, is also respsonsible for holding property values in black areas down to bargain basement levels.
The interesting thing about driving ability is that it nearly inverts the typical Asian>White>Mestizo>Black pattern you see so often elsewhere. I have never known a black person who was worse than average as a driver. Mestizos are typically fine drivers, though they will sometimes do crazy things (left turn on a red) that are illegal here but legal and normal in Mexico. Wealthy whites are nothing special, and Asians, well…
The only thing that throws off the inversion is that the best drivers are poor white southerners, good ol boy nascar and Dukes of Hazard types.
Also, keep in mind that the best drivers are probably the most likely to do reckless shit and die in car accidents — here Asians and wealthy whites’ risk-aversion probably makes up for their lack of intuitive understanding of their car’s dimensions, the movement of multiple objects in space simultaneously, etc.
@bliss
I now see that Texas counts hispanics as white. Here is a guy on the most wanted list for sexual assault of a child and trafficking an under 18 year old in prostitution. Clearly cases like this add to the white crime rate. I would like to know if all the states and the FBI do this as well.
Busted.
You guys thinking blacks are good drivers don’t live in the southeast, where all the blacks live, do you.
I do, they’re a menace. Though Steve does have a point, in that they’re not as bad on the roads as you’d expect, based on their other outcomes.
I don’t know. But Jews in general behave as though their self-interested “do-gooding” and Lachyrmose History, Capped by the Crowning Victimization of the History of the Universe, exempts them (from the pejorative sense). That, and their strong ethnocentrism and ethnic identity. They’re Jews first, and whites only when there’s something in it for them.
But, but, that would mean a very different inevitable conclusion for Bliss!
Usually, things in people’s best interests don’t need extended campaigns of encouragement; there’s a short PR campaign to get the word out, and then people “get it” and take over from there. It’s usually only the stuff that pretty obviously sucks that requires never-ending PR campaigns. The now 60-year-old campaign to whitewash blacks is probably the most salient example in world history.
So is it rational for parents to leave their children alone with white priests, teachers, coaches etc? Shouldn't they be pulling their children close to themselves when a white catholic priest approaches?Replies: @Michelle
Here’s a current link for you Bliss
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article2033252.html
There is something very wrong with the way, we whites, were raised, what we feel, believe, and act upon, when we think of black people. People are people. Race doesn't make a person any more likely to commit a crime.
Charles is absolutely right in pointing out that the escalation in punishment - three strikes, etc. - affects everyone. Moreover, militarization in a manufactured siege atmosphere, has radicalized our police and is a strong contributor to the rash of brutality we've been experiencing around the country over the last few years.
Black men are taking the brunt of that brutality, but some whites are too, especially if they have a mental disorder (Kelly Thomas, Fullerton, CA comes to mind).
Our behavior as a group needs modification, STAT.Replies: @Forbes, @Mad as a Hatter, @NOTA, @Big Bill, @AnAnon, @jackson
Whites constitute the vast majority of serial killers.
I seriously doubt this, especially on a per-capita basis. Not long ago I attempted to ID every known serial killer of my area (So. Cal) over the past few decades and it turned out that something like 80% were black. Not White, not Hispanic, black. The black population of this part of the country must have averaged 11-13% over that same period. A vast overrepresentation of blacks among serial killers here.
“Jessica” –I think if every white girl could feel a black man inside her then eventually there would be no racism.
You were claiming to be a black girl at one point. It’s pretty obvious that you’re one of those people whose claimed identity is a complete fiction. If you’re a girl of any sort, I’m the Queen of England.
Bliss – “pedophiles (and child pornographers) are overwhelmingly white”
Why are lefties always so stupid? Not just wrong, but stupidly wrong? There is no such crime as pedophilia in the criminal code, but you can look at “Offenses against the family and children” and “Sex offenses (except forcible rape and prostitution)” in this FBI report.
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html
Whites and Hispanics are lumped together (funny how the Feds do that for criminals but not for victims of crime) but blacks are greatly overrepresented in both categories.
I'm a white guy who has suffered many mean looks in White areas and many many more in Black ones. Grow up. That is not racism, you poor dear.Replies: @Harold, @Southfarthing, @Winky Dinky
Enderby says
“Oh, you poor noble widdle White lady… your wonderful Black hubby got a mean look out on a public street. The problem with poor hubby’s skin is not its color – it is just too thin.”
You realize she was lying don’t you? She was walking down the street, hand in hand with her nice negro husband and an old white lady passed by. Across the street was a “gang member”…uh huh. And then there was a church burning on the corner, and some cops with firehoses on the other corner. Jessica, try a little harder next time.
Steve Sailer says:
“There are a lot of things that blacks are fairly good at that nobody much notices. Blacks appear to be fairly decent at driving cars, at least relative to social standing, for example, while Mexicans and, especially….”
Steve: I’m an airline pilot. Prior to my airline job I flew F-16’s and F-4’s (I’m dating myself, I know) in the USAF. My evidence is entirely anecdotal, but the black guys I’ve flown with, both in the Air Force and in the airlines, have been pretty good. Not invincible like in the “Red Tails” silliness, but competent. It could be a selection thing in that going through the steps necessary to get an airline pilot job ( particularly through the civilian route,) requires a lot of sacrifice that only makes sense if you really want to be a pilot.
The worst group of pilots I’ve ever been around? Women. By far. I’ve flown with dozens and dozens of them and can count on one hand the ones that I’d consider to be even average. A general lack of situation awareness (called the “clue bird” in the USAF) combined with the need to demonstrate how equal they are leads to: a below average performer unwillingly to take any steps to improve or even acknowledge the need to improve. I’ve been on flights with a passenger and when I learned both pilots are women, seriously considered getting off.
TV News saying that Domestic Violence accounts for 48% of arrests for violence among NFL players.
They did not mention race but we all know what they mean.
It seems like blacks are beginning to be thrown under the bus.
“Steve Sailer says:
There are a lot of things that blacks are fairly good at that nobody much notices. Blacks appear to be fairly decent at driving cars, at least relative to social standing, for example…..”
Agreed. I have not noticed that black people drive worse than the group of drivers as a whole. I would say that women drivers are marginally worse, though not by a lot. As the pilot who posted earlier noted, women do often seem to lack situational awareness. Of course there’s a lot less room for error in an airplane than in a car.
@Mr. Anon
"There are a lot of things that blacks are fairly good at that nobody much notices. Blacks appear to be fairly decent at driving cars, at least relative to social standing, for example, while Mexicans and, especially...."
Steve: I'm an airline pilot. Prior to my airline job I flew F-16's and F-4's (I'm dating myself, I know) in the USAF. My evidence is entirely anecdotal, but the black guys I've flown with, both in the Air Force and in the airlines, have been pretty good. Not invincible like in the "Red Tails" silliness, but competent. It could be a selection thing in that going through the steps necessary to get an airline pilot job ( particularly through the civilian route,) requires a lot of sacrifice that only makes sense if you really want to be a pilot.
The worst group of pilots I've ever been around? Women. By far. I've flown with dozens and dozens of them and can count on one hand the ones that I'd consider to be even average. A general lack of situation awareness (called the "clue bird" in the USAF) combined with the need to demonstrate how equal they are leads to: a below average performer unwillingly to take any steps to improve or even acknowledge the need to improve. I've been on flights with a passenger and when I learned both pilots are women, seriously considered getting off.Replies: @Bliss
Blacks make pretty good astronauts as well. Two african-americans served as pilots of the Space Shuttle and Mission Commanders as well, including the current head of NASA, Charles Bolden.
Race car driving is an expensive sport in which hardly any blacks participate, yet one of the superstars of racing is world champion Lewis Hamilton:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29110462
Whites make pretty good astronauts as well. Twelve Whites ended up walking on the moon, and whites designed the Saturn V moon shot rocket too. Whites also make pretty good cosmonauts and were the first humans into space.
So, Bliss is black. That explains her deluded fascination with the absurd lie that lots of Jews marry blacks, have significant black admixture, etc.