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  1. Vince says:

    How about light-skinned blacks like Harris, who obviously had white ancestors – would they be required to pay too?

  2. Polynikes says:

    I predict that no white congressman will push back.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @AnotherDad
    , @MBlanc46
  3. Dutch Boy says:

    Just more evidence that the Democrats’ campaign platform is secretly being engineered by Trump.

  4. Second passports can be purchased for as little as $130 to $140k!!!

  5. sayless says:
    @Vince

    Harris’s great-grandfather owned a plantation and slaves in the old country.

  6. Arguably some reparations have already been made in the form of Medicare, Medicaid, subsidized housing, affirmative action, and so on, but the case remains that the descendants of those who prospered from the slave trade have often held onto the accrued wealth.

    One thinks of the (fictional) Bertram family in Jane Austen’s Mansfield Park, who prospered from the proceeds of the family owned sugar plantations in Barbados and many like them who used the proceeds to buy up land.

    (Corey) Booker’s proposed American Opportunity Accounts Act, commonly known as “baby bonds,” would provide every child born in the United States with a $1,000 savings bond, regardless of race. The child would receive an additional deposit from the government every year, with those in the poorest families receiving up to $2,000. The child would be able to access the account at age 18, and only for allowable uses, like education and home ownership. The idea of the proposal is to help reduce the racial income inequality gap.

    Not a bad idea, and while it would benefit blacks, it would also benefit everyone else, including Wall Street and would act as a disincentive to abortion, perhaps. However it his hard to see much difference between this and the existing Child Tax Credit, except that the parents would not be able to spend the money.

    It would certainly be possible to think up various schemes for reparation that would not necessarily benefit only descendants of slaves, but benefit everyone else too. Medicare for all would be a start.

  7. I think we should have reparations for every body who was a slave.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @HammerJack
  8. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    Ending immigration is the most necessary reparations for American Indians.

  9. Congressional Reparations Hearing Open Thread

    We used to call open threads “Irish pennants”.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    , @Olorin
  10. Hunsdon says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sadly, Reg, I have been informed that even in my beloved USMC “Irish pennants” is now a nokey-dokey. The phrase is regarded as prejudiced and harmful. (Yes, we have become a fundamentally unserious people.)

    • Replies: @M_Young
    , @Hibernian
  11. @Jonathan Mason

    Oh boy. Another day, another boondoggle.

    So each kid has 18k in his account when he reaches adulthood. What will that do? Buy a house? Not even a decent down payment. College? By 2038 it will barely cover books and coffee.

    There would be a million amendments and changes to this plan over the years, just like SS and medicare, to make it ridiculously expensive and wasteful. The middlemen, as always, would benefit the most, helping people invest it and avoid taxes.

    Listen to Arianna Grande sing Seven Rings. That’s what most 18 year olds want to do with their money.

  12. Surprise, surprise, they’re having reparations expert Teh Genius Coates testify.

    At Raucous Reparations Hearing, Ta-Nehisi Coates Takes Aim at Mitch McConnell

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/us/politics/slavery-reparations-hearing.html

  13. @Jonathan Mason

    In case you wonder what candidates appeal to an old-fashioned liberal:

    At first I was a big fan of Elizabeth Warren. The research she did on the way working people in the US are screwed over appeals to me. Even Steve has quoted her. Some of her recent stuff to pander to non-white voters bothers me. What helps the working class disproportionately helps NAMs anyway.

    My wife, who grew up in a project house in NYC, seems to like Corey Booker. Maybe it’s a NY area thing.

    I must say, he had some good, and interesting, ideas. Being black he doesn’t feel the need to pander to black voters. Sometimes it seems that Harris does pander, which bugs me.

  14. J1234 says:

    I’m torn on this one. On the one hand, this is the committee-to-reelect-Trump at it’s most effective – the measure will never go anywhere and it will make Trump seem less extreme than his enemies on the far left . On the other hand, it promotes the notion that any stupid idea that’s borne of ignorance can find a sympathetic ear in Congress, which makes me worry about political precedent (although there have been many stupid ideas in Congress before.)

    The priestly class of the left overestimates it’s power, influence and moral authority (which is largely a self-delusion anyway) on this issue. This is sort of a political class action suit in that it seeks a remedy on behalf of a population, but what exactly will it remedy? Civil rights legislation hasn’t benefited tens of millions of American blacks because they are incapable of assuming the personal responsibility necessary to take advantage of the opportunities afforded them through the legislation.

    Same will be true of reparations. It’s a Marxist wealth redistribution scheme disguised in the usual way. It’s efficacy would be like giving houses to the homeless – some might take advantage of – or benefit from – the program but it won’t even come close to solving the problem for most because the roots of homelessness usually go far deeper than the lack of a house. In fact, the lack of a house is usually a symptom, not a cause.

    You’d think that serious leftists would step away from this issue because, like a class action suit, it would limit the extent of damages, assuming it’s drawn up in an even semi-coherent way. Leftists want open ended damages.

  15. Precious says:

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/06/19/black-democrat-booed-slave-reparations-congress/

    “Black people don’t need another apology. We need safer neighborhoods and better schools. We need a less punitive criminal justice system. We need affordable health care. And none of these things can be achieved through reparations for slavery.”

    Members of the crowd booed at this point.

    “If we were to pay reparations today, we would only divide the country further, making it harder to build the political coalitions required to solve the problems facing black people today,” Hughes added.

    “We would insult black Americans by putting a price on the suffering of their ancestors, and we would turn the relationship between black Americans and white Americans from a coalition into a transaction, from a union between citizens, into a lawsuit between plaintiffs and defendants.”

    It looks like Coleman Hughes didn’t inform anyone of his plan to go off script.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    , @CCZ
  16. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    This will ratchet up tension, leading us closer to the final conflict that is unavoidable. After it occurs, we will be able to rest.

    I hope that they riot in the streets for reparations. Given no expiration on the wager, I’d place my last dime on the fact that they eventually will. This is much better than a slow death by a thousand Black cuts. Bring on the vote for reparations and its downstream repercussions.

    • Replies: @Marquandian Hero
  17. Travis says:

    If we grant reparations to the 40 million Black Americans will they no longer qualify for food stamps welfare and medicaid and section 8 housing ? Federal welfare spending is spread across 14 government departments and agencies and 89 separate programs. Since 2009 the government has been spending over $1 trillion per year on means tested welfare programs, of which 35% is allocated to Blacks.

    Means-tested welfare spending has grown rapidly since Johnson launched the War on Poverty in 1964. In that year, federal and state means-tested spending was $10.6 billion. By 2016, it had risen over a hundredfold to $1.1 trillion. We should expect to see a similar growth rate in Reparations. Once they start granting reparations to Blacks it will never end, and increase each year until the reparations budget is greater than our Defense spending.

  18. Let’s call this what it is: an attempt to remake the demographics of our country…

    The dot calling the kettle black.

  19. @Jonathan Mason

    MEDICAID for all. Medicare has co-pays and premiums which are considered bad. A lot of people have lives worth massive amounts of taxpayer money, but not any of their own.
    Or we could just ban all medical technology created after 1960. That would solve the problem of unaffordable medicine!

  20. I’ve made this statement here before, but I’ll go ahead and repeat myself: reparations payments absolutely conditioned upon permanent repatriation of all recipients to sub-Saharan Africa (with absolutely no right of re-entry to the USA) would be the greatest deal ever negotiated in all of human history.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  21. It sucks that the legacy of slavery has impoverished blacks. If only slavery had never happened they would be as affluent as the typical resident of Abuja or Ooga booga booga.

    • Agree: HammerJack
  22. Toddy Cat says:

    Calculating the amount of reparations owed is easy. Just take the average income of a person in West Africa, and compare it to the average income of a black American. The difference is what is owed, obviously, adjusted on a per year basis.

    So, the only question is, what am I going to do with the check that Ta-Nehesi Coates is going to have to cut me?

    • Agree: Andy
    • Replies: @JohnnyD
  23. Olorin says:

    Orange man bad.

    Whitey evil.

  24. Olorin says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    That is correct.

    Also refers to badly dressed lines. (On a sailing ship.)

  25. Spud Boy says:

    We’ve already paid and continue to pay “Reparations.” It just goes by other names:

    SCHIP State Supplemental Health Insurance Program
    Healthy Start
    Food Stamps, SNAP
    School Lunch Program
    WIC Women, Infant and Children Food Program
    School Breakfast
    Section 8 Housing (HUD)
    Public Housing (HUD)
    LIHEAP Low Income Home Energy Assistance
    Universal Service Fund Subsidized Low Income Phone Service
    Weatherization
    Pell Grants
    Title One Grants to Local Education Authorities
    21st Century Learning Centers
    Supplemental Education Opportunity Grants
    Adult Basic Education Grants
    Education for Homeless Children and Youth
    Aid for Graduate and Professional Study for Disadvantaged and Minorities
    Job Corps
    Food Stamp Employment and Training Program
    Healthy Marriage and Responsible Fatherhood Grants
    Headstart
    Childcare and Child Development Block Grant
    TANF Block Grant Child Care
    Community Development Block Grant and Related Development Funds
    Economic Development Administration (Dept. of Commerce)

    Not paid exclusively by whites exclusively to blacks, but if you consider disparate impact, it’s reparations.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @Alden
    , @Travis
  26. Precious says:

    Did a Trump sympathizer pick some of the list of people to testify? Things are not going as planned…

    Burgess Owens, “I used to be a Democrat until I did my history and found out the misery that that party brought to my race… We are fighting for the heart and soul of our nation against socialism and Marxism and the evil it has brought to us… Let’s pay restitution. How about the Democratic Party pay for all the misery brought to my race…Every white American, Republican or Democrat, who feels guilty because of their white skin, they should pony up also”

  27. Anon7 says:

    I guess people in line at the welfare office never look behind them, but if these reparations enthusiasts did, they’d see every non-white person on Earth.

  28. Walsh2 says:

    About like what you’d expect. From what I read, there was a well reasoned argument against reparations that got shouted down and booed to the point that Congressman Cohen had to bang the gavel and calm members of those in the audience with “chill, chill, chill.” Then added “he was presumptive, but he still has a right to speak.”

    No word on if there were any chair throwing brawls at Chuck E. Cheese’s during the afternoon break.

  29. @Vince

    Well, if she’s half and half then it would be a wash; her right hand doling it out and her left taking it in.

  30. @Calvin X Hobbes

    Surprise, surprise, they’re having reparations expert Teh Genius Coates testify.

    At Raucous Reparations Hearing, Ta-Nehisi Coates Takes Aim at Mitch McConnell

    This will surely aid the Democrats in winning back PA/OH/MI/WI.

  31. Danny Glover isn’t getting too old for this shit.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
  32. @Precious

    He’s a rising black star. The Democrats knew what he would say.

    But he said that the freed slaves in the 19th c. should have gotten reparations then. Really? what about the southern property owners who lost everything… slaves, crops, homes, families… tough luck for them? Why should the northern opponents of slavery have been taxed to pay freed slaves?

    Freedom was what the slaves and their advocates said they wanted, and they got it. I’m sure some money would have been helpful as they started anew, but the country was in no place to provide it.

    No, what these radicals want is self-respect. They think they’ll get it if they get a claim on other people’s money, but it will always be just out of reach. If you don’t earn it yourself then you’ll never appreciate what it took to get there.

  33. @Calvin X Hobbes

    Can anyone help me out here?

    Said Coates, “While emancipation deadbolted the door against the bandits of America, Jim Crow wedged the windows wide open.”

    What does this mean? And why does everything black men say sound like Rap? And make about as much sense?

    • LOL: JudgeSmails
    • Replies: @JohnnyD
    , @Feryl
  34. @Travis

    $1,000,000,000,000 x .35 = $350,000,000,000.

    $350,000,000,000/40,000,000 negroes = $8750 per negro.

    So mammy and her two chillins hauling in $8750 x 3 = $26,250 on average.

    And she–strike that–HE wants more. Cause the black man don’t get any of that directly. It all go to his ho. And then he haf to beg an wheedle to get his share. So reparations puts that money directly into the black man’s pocket. Where it belong. Not jus in his beeeitch’s. SeewhaI’msaying?

  35. Whiskey says: • Website

    Don’t laugh. If you believe the polls Mayor Buttgig could beat Trump.

    And making Whitey pay and pay and pay is the elites agenda.

    After this gay reparations and India Reparations etc.

    This is why we need a major war. FDR did not float reparations during WWII nor did he amp up hate Whitey. We were needed then. Let’s be needed again.

  36. M_Young says:
    @Hunsdon

    Well, the NROTC chapter at Notre Dame still calls their publication ‘The Irish Pennant’, (pdf) so perhaps there’s hope.

    BTW there is exactly zero obvious diversity (though lots of females) in that unit.

  37. Paul says:

    I notice the cowardly way these issues are kicked off to a commission to study. Proponents of reparations should tell us themselves who should get how much money. How much money should a Blood or a Crip on the southside of Chicago get?

    Furthermore, what about reparations for the white victims of affirmative-action race preferences?

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  38. Reparations: 1 first class ticket back to Liberia, and a carton of Newports. Even let them smoke on the plane.

  39. Lot says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “The dot calling the kettle black.”

    Low blow Reg, leave Kamala’s parents’ bedroom activities out of this.

    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
  40. @Steve Whitten

    Agreed. I propose giving each and every former slave 40 acres and a mule.

    • Replies: @Lot
  41. Anon[866] • Disclaimer says:

    The glaring logic inherent at the core of any demand for reparations is that the modern Black and White populations respectively carry group credit and group debt.

    This logic leaves the door open for group punishment, in general, whose justice extends into deep history.

    Which is a dangerous precedent to set for the context of any population that is as universally violent-crime-prone as the Black population.

    The prospect of being held responsible as a group for a rough average of 350 murders per year in every major city in the United States over a period of decades should send a halting chill down the spine of every Black person with reparations in mind. Because that is the door that the logic of reparations opens.

    In contrast with the proposal for reparations, and for better or worse, we currently have a system that specifically refutes group punishment and in spite of the fact that group punishment is a biblical principal.

    Again, smart people with something to lose will rightly feel a cold chill.

  42. @Anon

    If only Mitch McConnell weren’t the least telegenic politician in recorded history, he might be able to get some traction.

    As things stand, however, he’s a prominent member of the Committee to Elect a Democrat (Any Democrat).

    The supply of Republicans fitting that description is already plentiful.

  43. @Spud Boy

    Thanks. It’s about time someone started a list like that.

  44. @Rosie

    Agreed. And I can think of a certain Tribe which owes white people trillions for having hijacked their countries.

  45. Clyde says:

    Reparations is just greedy blacks who want lots of money because of their ancestors suffering under slavery. No living black was a slave. But they are living better than any blacks in Africa due their slave
    ancestors. They should stop their idiotic bitching and complaining here in America. They got it great. More proof they got it great is all the fat, obese, morbidly obese black women I see in public. And you and me pay for their diabetes treatments. Diabetes treatments are freaking exploding in the Federal budget

  46. Alden says:
    @Vince

    Looking at the pictures, her Jamaican father was lighter than her Indian mother.

    The money will all go to black and White non profit do gooder operations, not to blacks.

    How many are there in the country? 40 50 million? Give each of them 2 million apiece. I’d say set up a trust fund for each but interest rates are too low.

    Fetuses conceived before a certain date would get it too. That should please the anti abortionist. Some practical arrangements should be made about minor children.

    Anything to keep the money away from the money grubbing non profits.

  47. anon[174] • Disclaimer says:

    “Koch brothers [former republican donors] team up with George Soros and the ADL … ”

    This country, and all the republican “conservatives” in it, are a joke.

  48. @Jonathan Mason

    allowable uses, like education and home ownership.

    Oh, just the “good” things. Thanks, Corey. Why not streamline the whole process and just mail the checks directly to Maurice “Hank” Greenberg and this guy.

    https://www.craignelsen.com/library/strayer.php

    Cut out the middle dupe.

    Seriously, we should require the “reparations” checks be spent only on illegal drugs and funerals. At least the money would bounce around in the hood a wee bit longer and the beneficiaries wouldn’t have wasted four years sitting in a magic place called a classroom all the time believing that, when the whole process was finished, they would emerge “educated” and everyone would understand that they now had to pay them twice as much as before because now they has a “degree”.

  49. Can somebody explain how this works? Will *all* white people get a tax that will send the money to *all* blacks? Will it just be coming out of the taxpayer pocket, as another social program? In this case all taxpayers of all races would be pissed off.

  50. Alden says:
    @Spud Boy

    You forgot affirmative action. What’s responsible fatherhood an extra check for dad mailed to the kids residence so he’s forced to come by once a month?

  51. Scotch Irish who didn’t own slaves are owed reparations from the descendants of:

    1) Africans who sold other Africans into slavery
    2) Marrano Jews who were the middlemen of the transatlantic slave trade.
    3) The antebellum south’s pseudo-aristocracy who were sold African slaves as cheap foreign labor to centralize land holding
    4) The 20th century Jews who financed media and academia’s “racist redneck” stereotype of Scotch Irish whose ancestors never owned slaves but whose ancestors suffered “disparate impact”
    5) The 20th century Blacks who allied with the 20th century Jews in this attack.
    6) The US government for
    6a) Killing off so many Scotch Irish whose families never owned slaves and who made up the backbone of the US military:
    6a1) On both sides of Civil War I
    6a2) In WW I at the behest of Zionist Jews in the US
    6a3) In WW II at the behest of Jews generally in the US
    6a4) In the Korean War
    6a5) In the Viet Nam War
    6a6) In subsequent “police actions” in the middle east at the behest of Zionist Jews
    6b) Enacting “affirmative action” that had further “disparate impact”
    6c) Enacting “integration” which had further “disparate impact”
    6d) Steadily increasing immigration for decades despite being opposed by over 90% of the US citizenry and even more of the Scotch Irish
    6e) Extending “affirmative action” to this illegitimate flood of “immigrants” which had further “disparate impact”
    6f) Reduction in total fertility rates by all of the above policies which produced in Scotch Irish females a limbic perception that Scotch Irish males were “losers” which deprived even those who had not been relatively impoverished of stable marriages.

    Now, as for the descendants of the “cheap foreign labor”, I think descendants of Africans that enslaved them originally are the most just primary source of reparations, and those reparations should take the form of the African continent where they can return forthwith. I’m sure the Scotch Irish mercenaries — their ye auld profession — wouldn’t mind being paid in various African commodities (like diamonds, emeralds, gold, platinum, rare earths, etc. now so attractive to Chinese colonialism in Africa) to clear the path for their return with all the enthusiastic bloodshed of Civil War I.

  52. Alden says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It’s just a big scam to give more money to the anti White colleges.

  53. CCZ says:
    @Precious

    I guess no one bothered (or rather choose) to read any of his writings.

    For example:

    “Among the fallacies of the group-based vision is the conceit that we are capable of accurately assessing, and correcting for, the imbalances of history to begin with. If we can’t even manage to consistently serve justice for crimes committed between individuals in the present, it defies belief to think that we can serve justice for crimes committed between entire groups of people before living memory—to think, in other words, that we can look at the past, neatly split humanity into plaintiff groups and defendant groups, and litigate history’s largest crimes in the court of public opinion.”

    https://quillette.com/2019/03/17/reparations-and-ta-nehisi-coatess-pyrrhic-victory/

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  54. @Anon

    That’s nice, but the GOP is making a mistake accepting the very premise that blacks deserve reparations. In fact, Ta-Nehisi Coates’ famous Atlantic article was hazy about actually transferring resources. His big point was just establishing that whites owe blacks, and of course starting the usual “dialogue”.

    • Replies: @indocon
  55. indocon says:
    @International Jew

    Exactly, this has been a recurring problem with people on the right, once you simply allow a topic to be discussed by the left and it megaphone without immediate pushback, a slippery close follows.

    The day after Anthony Kennedy cucked out on gay marriage, NY Times added TQ to LGBTQ, exactly as Steve had predicted. Why was there not pushback from a single Republican or so-called conservative back then?

    • Replies: @krustykurmudgeon
  56. istevefan says:

    I have not seen the hearings. But this I believe. Reparations are coming. I’ve been around long enough to see that when the other side introduces a concept, no matter how outlandish it first appears, it very often comes to fruition. The fact that we are at the point where they are holding hearings on this topic is enough to convince me it is coming.

    Recall how you first felt at the concept of gay marriage. It is now mainstream and here to stay.

    Recall how you first reacted to the trannies in the bathroom issue. Well we have major corporations and institutions boycotting states that won’t agree to this.

    Recall how you mocked the concept of men calling themselves women competing in women’s sports.

    Reparations are happening, period. If they are holding hearings about it in congress, it’s going to happen.

  57. Andy says:
    @istevefan

    I don’t know, the costs of reparations are so enormous, there is a chance it will not happen (except if you are talking about symbolic reparations). There are 45 million African Americans. If each one gets a reparation of, say, 100,000 U$, that’s 4.5 trillion dollars – that’s more than the 4.1 trillion spent in the 2018 federal budget!

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
  58. @Polynikes

    I predict that no white congressman will push back.

    Are there absolutely no white politicians with a penis anymore?

    Just one conservative politician willing to stand up and tell the truth:

    — black Americans are the biggest benficiaries of slavery; their ancestors suffered, but they have reaped the huge reward of living getting to live in a white created, still white run naton. People around the world–including Africa–are beating down the doors to get in.

    And ram it home:

    — we’re fine with reparations; we’ll give $50K to any blacks willing to forfeit their passports and move back to Africa as long as they are taking all their children with them.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  59. I have not seen the hearings. But this I believe. Reparations are coming. I’ve been around long enough to see that when the other side introduces a concept, no matter how outlandish it first appears, it very often comes to fruition.

    I have the same feeling. Whatever is introduced will probably be for everyone, not just blacks, although it will be welcomed by all in the lower income brackets, much more so than Trump’s tax cut, but CALLING it reparations may given it that added factor that will make everyone feel good about themselves and make the issue of reparations go away for a generation.

  60. @istevefan

    I have not seen the hearings. But this I believe. Reparations are coming. I’ve been around long enough to see that when the other side introduces a concept, no matter how outlandish it first appears, it very often comes to fruition.

    Conservatives are on a 60+ year streak of getting their asses kicked, by ever more looney nonsense, because they fundamentally offer no challenge to the minoritarian narrative. They are liberalism–“ok, but don’t scare the horses”–light.

    If just a few of conservatives would start offering a thorough debunk of minoritarianism–

    No, America is great, prosperous and free, only because it is a white created, settled and run offshoot of Western Christian civilization. Minorities are not oppressed but rather living large, often parasitically, upon what white Americans have created.

    — then we could start having some real contentious politics with conservatives able to actually start winning some battles and taking territory back.

    At the very least we could heighten the contradiction so if the division is really implacable–which it may well be–we could achieve separation. And separation is really all that’s needed. They are parasitic on us, not vice versa.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    , @Feryl
  61. @Anon

    Pathetically weak sauce. “Weak sauce” i believe being McConnell’s middle name. Republican politicians like him are why the Republic is a mess.

  62. @Lot

    Freeze Whitey!

    Slowly put your privilege, Evian bottle, iPhone & smug demeanor on the floor & nobody gets hurt.

    Come out with your hands up.
    Any microaggressions or problematic ancestry can be used against you.
    Standards of evidence do not apply in the Court of Feelz.

  63. @CrunchybutRealistCon

    Weird. I didn’t post that nonsequiter. Smartphone is on the fritz perhaps

  64. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Reparations: 1 first class ticket back to Liberia, and a carton of Newports.

    No doubt, i’m way out of touch.

    But the night manager i worked for at my first job loved his Kools. Loved ’em.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  65. Thomas says:

    What’s up is Hillary would be President if she had been able to close even 10% of the falloff in African American turnout in the Midwest from what Obama managed in 2012, and the top three Democrat candidates in 2020 (the only ones polling in double digits right now) are old and white.

    You can expect no end of Trayvon Martin-style efforts to pander to and inflame the black electorate over the next 17 months. Especially if the economy doesn’t crater.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @Jim Don Bob
  66. istevefan says:
    @AnotherDad

    No, America is great, prosperous and free, only because it is a white created, settled and run offshoot of Western Christian civilization

    Though this is off topic, I’d go further with your assessment and narrow its scope down to its founding by the English. If you look at all the desirable places in the new world, Canada, OZ, NZ and the USA, they have that in common. Places founded by the Spanish, such as Argentina never seemed to take off though they had potential. I think we benefited greatly that our mother country.

    — then we could start having some real contentious politics with conservatives able to actually start winning some battles and taking territory back.

    Sorry. This is what passes for conservatism today. Listen to Charlie Kirk explain that the USA is just a placeholder for ideas. No wonder we keep losing.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
  67. @MikeatMikedotMike

    Maybe throw in a box of Popeye’s and a red plastic cup of purple drank.

  68. Whiskey says: • Website

    Yep reparations are a done deal. The only question is how much it’s ratcheted up for Whitey.

  69. Lot says:
    @HammerJack

    “Agreed. I propose giving each and every former slave 40 acres and a mule.”

    So reparations from upper class Indian and Arab migrants to their housekeeper slaves?

  70. Lot says:
    @istevefan

    Gay marriage is free virtue-signaling for elites. And they love their gay employees who don’t demand to leave in time to pick up the kids.

  71. @CCZ

    Clear thinking and clear writing.
    Amazing what a sound mind can do.

  72. JohnnyD says:
    @Toddy Cat

    Ironically, without slavery, Coates wouldn’t have such a lucrative gig.

  73. @Thomas

    There’s almost no downside to political pandering. Those few who see through it aren’t its target anyway.

  74. JohnnyD says:
    @ThreeCranes

    The Deadbolt Bandits would be a pretty cool name for a rock band.

  75. Jivilov says:

    Makes you wonder if any of these congresscritters ever read the Constitution. It expressly forbids ex post facto laws, or retroactive justice. IOW if something was legal in the past (as slavery was all over the planet until evil Whitey finally abolished it) then you can’t pass laws to punish those who were practicing it at the time, let alone indulge in intergenerational shotgun “justice” (“revenge” is more like it) to collectively punish all living members of the gene pool which was top dog way back when.

    Apparently the body politic has been so permeated with the blatant structures of Diversity that it–and its elected reps–can’t even think straight.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  76. @Jonathan Mason

    We already have Medicaid for all who apply and Medicare for everyone over 65.

    60 million Americans were had Medicaid last year and another 70 million on Medicare. Plus Obamacare gave us health exchanges to provide subsidized health insurance for millions of Americans too wealthy to qualify for Medicaid. In addition to the many free clinics and free hospitals providing free care for all who ask for it.

    • Replies: @Corn
  77. @Jonathan Mason

    Medicare isn’t a welfare program. It’s for old people.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  78. @AnotherDad

    Newports are a stepping stone to Kools, just like marijuana is to heroin.

    I knew it was time to quit smoking when I started enjoying menthol cigarettes, because back then only blacks and junkies smoked them. So I did.

  79. @Andy

    Blacks already collect about $350 Billion per year in welfare benefits…. if we paid the 40 million Blacks (exclude blacks and their descendants who immigrated after 1865) $25,000 per year , then we would not have to spend the $400 Billion on Welfare benefits to Blacks, thus it would only cost us about $650 Billion per year to give each black descendant of slaves reparations because we would be able to end many welfare programs, Since Blacks would no longer qualify for welfare congress would find it easier to end many welfare programs completely.

    The Federal reserve was allowed to print $4 Trillion to increase their balance sheet to $4.5 Trillion. They could start paying the reparations from the Feds 4 Trillion dollar balance sheet. Or transfer the $4 Trillion from the fed to the reparations fund and start paying out $25,000 to each African American. Blacks would no longer qualify for welfare, public housing, food stamps, Medicaid , so we would be able to end all welfare programs, since Blacks would no longer need welfare when they start collecting $500 per week in reparations.

  80. @indocon

    speaking of Kennedy – do you think the left wasted a lot of there social capitol on issues like gay marriage? I lean left but issues like gay marriage were never my thing. My big issue is the ending of gerrymandering and the move to a one-man one-vote electoral system. Why didn’t the left make that a hill to die on? If there wasn’t gerrymandering it might be easier to do the electoral interstate compact and easier to do USSC term limit legislation.

  81. @Thomas

    You can expect no end of Trayvon Martin-style efforts to pander to and inflame the black electorate over the next 17 months. Especially if the economy doesn’t crater.

    Plus massive Soros funded voter fraud.

  82. @Grace Jones

    Medicare isn’t a welfare program. It’s for old people.

    Yes, I know that, but African-American old people benefit disproportionately from it, because of their higher rates of diabetes, hypertension, vascular disease, cancer, sickle cell anemia, and obesity.

  83. @istevefan

    Legalizing marijuana. I didn’t think that would happen, and it’s very different from what everyone wanted, but it’s here.

    Gov’t will take over all our health care too, sadly.

  84. MBlanc46 says:
    @Vince

    She pays 3/4 of a reparation and collects 1/4?

  85. MBlanc46 says:
    @Polynikes

    Pushing back would be career suicide.

  86. MBlanc46 says:
    @istevefan

    Absolutely. Opposing reparations will be racist. No one but a white supremacist wants to be a racist. Therefore everyone except white supremacists will support reparations. They pass the House, say, 342–96 and the Senate 97–3.

  87. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Jivilov

    Don’t be silly. Emanations from the penumbra. Whatever a Judge says is law, is law.

  88. RVBlake says:
    @Paul

    And White victims of black crime.

  89. TheJester says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Please, people, get this right. The demand is not “MediCARE for All” … it’s “MediCAID for All”. There is a gargantuan difference.

    MediCAID is designed for the poor. It covers all bills for what it covers, which varies from state to state. If people want a universal, government-funded, single-payer system that covers everyone as in the UK, this is it. MediCAID is the model, not MediCARE.

    MediCARE is a Federal cost-sharing program for old people who have been paying premiums for a lifetime. It’s not free. What is covered, what is allowed, and what is disallowed is tailored to medical care for the elderly. It has four parts (each with its own cost-sharing formulas):

    Medicare Part A – Hospital Care
    Medicare Part B – Medical Insurance
    Medicare Part C – Medicare Advantage Plans
    Medicare Part D – Prescription Drugs

    The cost-sharing formulas for each part are too complex to list. Suffice to say that the cost-sharing formulas can price some people out of the market and/or leave lingering cost-sharing bills they cannot pay. Hence, MediCARE will not help the indigent, poverty-stricken students who reject insurance because they think they’ll live forever, nor families with children. Hence, MediCARE is not the universal medical care that people should be thinking about when advocating a universal single-payer medical system.

    Aside: We recently returned from a two-week curated bus tour of Scotland. Most everyone on the tour was elderly. Many got a virulent virus that was batting about. They tried the British National Healthcare System (NHS). Try waiting for five hours to see a doctor … only to be told they can’t help you and you’d have to drive to Glasgow for another five-hour wait to see a doctor. The cost for waiting was, however, free.

    Another tourist on the bus was Canadian telling tales of the Canadian single-payer health system. She walked with a cane; she needed a hip replacement; she was on a waiting list. The waiting time was one and one-half years. Best of luck on mandating universal, single-payer, free medical systems that provide the high-level of personalized health care we have in the United States. They do not exist.

    A better approach is to leave MediCARE and the US private insurance systems alone and use MediCAID to cover those living outside of the private health insurance system.

    See Medicare.gov for the latest for 2019: https://www.medicare.gov/Pubs/pdf/11579-Medicare-Costs.pdf

    • Agree: Travis
  90. Travis says:
    @Spud Boy

    good point, the “war on Poverty” was basically a reparations plan to transfer Trillions of dollars from whites to Black Americans.

    But if we give reparations to Blacks will they no longer qualify for the $400 billion we currently allocate to Blacks each year via welfare programs ? We could just re-name all the current welfare payments as “reparations” and eliminate our welfare programs while using the savings to pay blacks reparations.

  91. Mr. Anon says:
    @istevefan

    I tend to agree with you. The fact that this is getting an airing by the majority party in the House means that it is much more likely. As you say, as recently as fifteen or twenty years ago, Gay marriage was getting voted down wherever it was put to a vote. And nobody foresaw WWT, certainly not that the Ts would win it.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  92. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon

    Yeah, Mitch McConnell is Horatio on the Bridge.

    Milquetoast Mitch ain’t going to stop reparations.

    The proper response to blacks pushing reparations is:

    We don’t owe you anything. Your problems are all of your own making. Leave us alone. Go to Hell.

  93. Please, people, get this right. The demand is not “MediCARE for All” … it’s “MediCAID for All”. There is a gargantuan difference.

    This is nit-picking. Politicians deal in broad brush strokes. For example Donald Trump in his early days was talking about something to replace Obamacare that sounded a lot like Medicare For All, i.e. affordable monthly premiums, cheaper drugs, everyone covered. Call it Medicaid for all if you wish–it is just a slogan.

    Obamacare is ludicrously expensive, has massive deductibles, and allows the insurance companies that administer the plans to cream off 20% of the premiums compared to about 3% for Medicare.

    We recently returned from a two-week curated bus tour of Scotland. Most everyone on the tour was elderly. Many got a virulent virus that was batting about. They tried the British National Healthcare System (NHS). Try waiting for five hours to see a doctor … only to be told they can’t help you and you’d have to drive to Glasgow for another five-hour wait to see a doctor.

    Medicare does not provide travel insurance in most cases, but surely elderly persons would be well advised to take out private travel insurance for their trip, which would cost no more than $150 per person in the UK (slightly more than a 1-month Medicare premium) and provide substantial coverage with no copayments.

    So a group of uninsured elderly tourists had difficulty seeing a doctor in the middle of an epidemic of a virulent viral infection that was ravaging Scotland and described by the public health service as “one of the worst flu seasons in 50 years with thousands of operations cancelled as hospitals struggle to cope with an increase in patients” and a busload of tourists shows up expecting immediate service.

    https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/2060900/aussie-flu-scotland-every-area-crisis-epidemic-nhs/

    Incidentally, there is no treatment per se for this viral infection, unless intravenous fluids are needed for severe dehydration, but many over-the-counter medications are available in the UK, and one could get advice from any pharmacy (chemist) on what to do for the virus. Probably to rest, keep warm, drink lots of fluids.

    Perhaps next year they will be going to the Congo for a riverboat cruise. They would probably get more attention than if a busload of elderly Scots came to the US and fell ill without insurance.

    I have Medicare Advantage myself, but my kids have Cigna insurance through my wife’s job, and recently when my small daughter was sent home from school with a fever of 103 and what turned out to be a urinary tract infection, no Cigna doctor in town could see her, so we took her to a Rural Health Clinic that did not accept her insurance, but charged $50, which was less than the $80 copay with her insurance, gave her a urinalysis and a prescription for Sulfatrim, and by supper time she was fine.

    I was going deaf in both ears and had seen two doctors with copayments totaling $195, and they could not correctly diagnose the issue, which, after a little research I self-diagnosed and for which I eventually obtained for $20 on Amazon a medication used for dog’s ears (active ingredient hydrocortisone), which cured the problem in less than 3 days.

    So don’t talk to me about overpaid incompetent US doctors and the failing health insurance system.

  94. Corn says:
    @Prodigal son

    “free hospitals providing free care for all who ask for it.”

    Other than St Jude’s for children please name one.

  95. Pat Boyle says:
    @Vince

    Reparations are always messy. The Opium Wars between Great Britain and China can be seen as a model for reparations.

    After the British fleet beat the Chinese many times and the fighting should have been over, they continued to argue over reparations. England was aggrieved that while they were trying to push dope onto a resisting Chinese, the Chinese had defended themselves – badly and ineffectively as it happened. Chinese resistance included shooting back. Most Chinese canon fire was ineffective but some shots hit. The English demanded reparations for the damages done by Chinese trying to defend their nation and people.

    The young black witness who testified before Congress yesterday was wrong. Paying reparations means you lost. Receiving reparations means you won and you can impose a humiliation on the losers.

    Is that what blacks think?

  96. @Mr. Anon

    WWT wasn’t even a skirmish, let alone a war. It was a wholesale surrender to a bunch of crazies by people who should have known better.

  97. @AnotherDad

    we’re fine with reparations; we’ll give $50K to any blacks willing to forfeit their passports and move back to Africa as long as they are taking all their children with them.

    No. It has to be all of them or none of them. It would do us absolutely no good if say, 10mm take the money and leave. We still have 30mm+ bitching and complaining and demanding more.

    Also, it would be with no right to return, not even to visit. Take the money, leave, and never come back.

  98. @istevefan

    Lol…

    the “conservatives” still standing are either sellouts, or useful idiots. Look at how stupid Charlie Kirk is. The guy is just a loser.

  99. Feryl says:
    @ThreeCranes

    It’s often been observed that black culture emphasizes sounding and looking good, not acting (or even talking) in a way that makes all that much logical sense WRT practicality and intellectual rigor. Most likely it arose from charismatic men needing to make a big impression to others, to silence male competitors and gain more access to women. By contrast, ice people can carefully calculate their thoughts for quite some time before really “launching” into an argument (and also,carefully analyzing the consequences of something before we do or say it). We don’t want to be embarrassed by poor grammar and poor reasoning.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  100. Feryl says:
    @Rosie

    The biggest cost is paid by anyone who’s forced to live in or near almost any heavily black area. It’s also costly to live in a once decent neighborhood, and, sensing that the area is demographically tipping, you might end up not being able to sell the property for all that much, perhaps less than what you originally paid for it. What people do with their feet says it all; those of high means typically and desperately do not want to live near proles of any race.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  101. Feryl says:
    @AnotherDad

    Modern Anglo conservatism is about celebrating people who “work hard” enough to afford a nice house in a nice area with a nice family.

    There’s no concern whatsoever WRT defending tradition and social stability. It’s all unbridled I-Got-Mine individualism. That’s what the Left was trying to warn people of in the 1920’s-1980’s, before even the Left totally sold out in the 90’s.

    For the modern right, it’s: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Market.

    It’s all decadent non-sense, that almost nobody under 45 buys into.

  102. @Feryl

    Seems reasonable to me.

  103. @Feryl

    It’s like a game of reverse musical chairs. Instead of looking for a place to park yourself when the music stops, the point is to be the among the first ones to get up and leave the chair you’re already sitting in.

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