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From the New York Times:

Black Lawmakers Hold a Particular Grievance With Facebook: Racial Exploitation
By YAMICHE ALCINDOR OCT. 14, 2017

WASHINGTON — For more than an hour, Sheryl Sandberg, Facebook’s high-profile chief operating officer, sheepishly pledged to “do better” — over and over — as stern-faced members of the Congressional Black Caucus grilled her on Thursday about Russian ads aimed at exploiting racial divisions during last year’s election.

For black lawmakers, it was a chance to vent — at the outrage they felt toward Russian intelligence and its efforts to foment racial unrest in the country; at the frustration they felt toward three separate congressional investigations into Russian interference that have plodded on and yielded little; and at Facebook itself, which has been long on promises and short on action. …

But the grievance of black lawmakers is a particular one: As black activists tried last year to focus attention on police brutality, unfair treatment before the law, inequality and white supremacy, social media giants like Facebook were being commandeered by Russian intelligence agents to turn white voters against them. …

And nearly a year after the election, black lawmakers say, little is being done to reverse the damage. Russia studied and exploited the “fault lines of racial tension,” said Representative Yvette D. Clarke, Democrat of New York, and multiple investigations into Russia’s actions and the Trump’s campaign possible involvement have thus far offered no safeguards to stop Moscow’s efforts….

Of course, this is totally different from the New York Times’s biggest individual stockholder being Carlos Slim, who can afford to bail out the NYT because he and the President of Mexico were best buds in 1990 when President Salinas sold him Mexico’s government phone monopoly for very little other than a promise to donate $25 million to the ruling party’s 1994 campaign.

But her answers fueled the anger of some black lawmakers who said for years that they have been pushing Facebook to add a black person to its all-white board of directors and to diversify its staff. Several members have also written letters to Facebook and other companies demanding answers related to the presidential election.

On Thursday, the company’s chief diversity officer, Maxine Williams, said in the meeting that Facebook had recently hired a record number of minority employees, and Ms. Sandberg promised that the company planned to add a black person to its board.

Facebook has a stock market capitalization of $497,000,000,000 and how big a taste of that half-trillion dollars have they ever cut the Congressional Black Congressional Caucus in for? Is it too much to ask for just a taste of that half-tril?

 
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  1. For more than an hour, Sheryl Sandberg, Facebook’s high-profile chief operating officer, sheepishly pledged to “do better” — over and over — as stern-faced members of the Congressional Black Caucus grilled her on Thursday about Russian ads aimed at exploiting racial divisions during last year’s election.

    That’s the show. Of course in reality it’s just more sue and settle bullshit. Sandberg’s hand holds the whip.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Desiderius

    I'm truly curious......do they truly believe this Russian horseshit?

    Trump won several stateslike Florida and Michigan that never go by the margins they do.....they can't be this stupid

  2. When the Left really wants to harry you, they send the blacks. One way or another.

    Or this could be an attempt by the Left to divert the anti-Trump blacks to a different bogeyman. Black congresswoman Maxine Waters has become the “in-peacher” in chief in Congress, and thinks she’s the leader of the Resistance (bad wigs and all) to Trump and calling him a Russian plant, when really she’s just beclowning herself nightly on corporate media.

    The Left has realized the Russia narrative is turning back on them and they need to bury it. Uppity blacks don’t take orders well, so ordering Maxine to knock it off won’t work. But like unruly, stupid children, distracting them with something shiny works. A good ol’ shakedown of some Facebook Democrats is that shiny thing.

    • Agree: Nico
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @whorefinder


    A good ol’ shakedown of some Facebook Democrats is that shiny thing.
     
    Shake them down to do what? Hire more black female diversity commissars? Hire more hidden figures type coders?

    Replies: @Sunbeam

    , @Maj. Kong
    @whorefinder

    Inflaming black anger is a high-risk/reward strategy for the Dems. It gave Obama Florida in '12, but will see them removed from Missouri next year.

    While I heartily agree with Trump's trashing of the arrogant sportsball players, it has gone over like a lead balloon with blacks. The soldier's widow is the same way, blacks are seeing it like the mainstream left saw the Cleland/Chambliss election in 2002 Georgia, this is something they won't forget easily.

    Those consuming the mainstream media bilge are highly susceptible to Civil Rights schmaltz, it usually takes rioting to break the conditioning (temporarily). BLM is led by outright Communists, and they still have the support of nearly every elected Democrat.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Ed

    , @Olorin
    @whorefinder


    send the blacks
     
    There's a musical number in there somewhere.

    I hear it in Herschel Krustovsky's voice.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Sondheim
    , @Franz Liszt von Raiding
    @whorefinder

    No blacks take orders well, never mind uppity or not. Can’t shut up and show humility for a single(!) minute when National Anthem plays , can’t unite to form United States of Africa. Too much self interest, animalistic, immediate gratification, prone to chimp outs.

  3. There is a persistent psychological need which has been discussed on here numerous times for the Negro to think – and flail into others – that he is at the center of every great or minor event in history. Hence “WE BUILT THIS!” hence (my favorite) the black feminist upset that there was not one black victim in Weinstein’s roster (for real).

    This would be endearing and cute in a sort of childlike way, for example when a three-year-old dons a chef’s hat and apron while Mom is baking cookies and proudly announces, “I’M HELPING!” although of course the mere presence of the tyke multiplies Mom’s preparation time by at least 1.5. It’s less cute of course when the toddler is considered an adult and has a voice in the family affairs and the family is divided between ideological interest factions, one of which has staked its fortunes on securing the alliance of the three-year-old by channeling his violent and frequent temper tantrums against the other family members.

  4. I can’t tell if this is an Op-Ed or a news article. That’s a subsidiary point, I suppose.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @ic1000

    Pravda was also known to give off that impression and for the same reason.

    , @Frau Katze
    @ic1000

    It's in the Politics section of the Times. They've given lots of coverage to the Russia thing.

    Looks like their efforts to connect Trump himself to the Russians has failed.

    I never really understood why the Russians would prefer Trump. He was a wild card, they had no way of knowing how he'd actually govern.

    Has anyone seen an example of such an ad? FB has said they've found them, but I haven't seen an example.

  5. Lying and emoting is all the Black Caucus cares about. And registering phony, ginned up outrage*. Fact is Russian spending at Facebook was a minuscule $100,000 and not all was on racial topics. Are they (Black Caucus) this stupid or this vile? I go with vile.

    *Justified because they once wuz slaves. Or at least their great, great, great grandparents Freddy and Mabel were. Always in wack whitey over the head mode with your long lost and forgotten ancestors who were slaves. Why? Because it pays, as guilt driven libs and cucks will always cave in monetarily. With all black caterwauling one must follow the money.

  6. @whorefinder
    When the Left really wants to harry you, they send the blacks. One way or another.

    Or this could be an attempt by the Left to divert the anti-Trump blacks to a different bogeyman. Black congresswoman Maxine Waters has become the "in-peacher" in chief in Congress, and thinks she's the leader of the Resistance (bad wigs and all) to Trump and calling him a Russian plant, when really she's just beclowning herself nightly on corporate media.

    The Left has realized the Russia narrative is turning back on them and they need to bury it. Uppity blacks don't take orders well, so ordering Maxine to knock it off won't work. But like unruly, stupid children, distracting them with something shiny works. A good ol' shakedown of some Facebook Democrats is that shiny thing.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Maj. Kong, @Olorin, @Franz Liszt von Raiding

    A good ol’ shakedown of some Facebook Democrats is that shiny thing.

    Shake them down to do what? Hire more black female diversity commissars? Hire more hidden figures type coders?

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    @Clyde

    "Shake them down to do what? Hire more black female diversity commissars? Hire more hidden figures type coders?"

    Something that seems obvious to me is that Facebook (nor Google or Ebay) need to be US concerns to actually serve the US market.

    You literally could have the server farms and all the developers and behind the scenes guys in China.

    Ebay and Amazon actually have features that make it possible for them to compete with them on price.

    As for Google and Facebook they have inertia on their side right now. But Google is a lot easier to drop than Facebook. I've quit using it. Whether it works better than DuckDuck is besides the point. It's just that easy to use another search engine.

    Just saying that while it's been a good run, these Silicon Vally concerns might well find they aren't immune to having to have a cost effective workforce - as opposed to one that is cheap for the Zuck.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Karl

  7. Just for the record:

    Yamiche Alcindor is a Haitian-American Journalist and currently a Reporter and Videographer for The New York Times, where she covers politics and social justice issues.

    A native of Miami, Florida, Yamiche is the daughter of Haitian parents and credits her culturally authentic Haitian upbringing for shaping who she is today. After graduating from Georgetown University in 2009 with her bachelor’s degree in government and English, Yamiche started her first full-time job as a News Reporter at Newsday. She utilized her Haitian Creole and French language skills and was able to not only cover the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, but also provide guidance to her fellow editors due to her background. Yamiche’s coverage and production of multimedia stories led her to USA Today from 2011-2015, and to New York University, where she obtained a Master of Arts in broadcast news and documentary in 2015.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @CCZ

    I was surprised to find that Ms. Alcindor is not closely related to Lew Alcindor / Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, a journalistically inclined New York native.

    , @Lurker
    @CCZ


    her culturally authentic Haitian upbringing
     
    Culturally authentic upbringing for me, enriching diversity for thee.
    , @silviosilver
    @CCZ

    I like this article by Yamiche even better.

    I wonder what Trump thought when presented with the names he was supposed to call/refer to - La David & Myeshia Johnson. My first thought would be, "Oh gawd, do I have to? " And then, "How the hell do you even pronounce this awkward (and frankly rather goofy) name 'La David' - El Ay David?"

    Maybe he had a feeling it would go poorly, but decided he could milk it politically. Or maybe he intended it to go poorly from the start. If so, I have to say - heartless as it sounds - good on him.

    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @CCZ

    "Culturally authentic Haitian upbringing." Ha ha ha! Haiti is the poorest country in the New World. What's so great about a "culturally authentic Haitian upbringing"?

    Replies: @Clyde, @silviosilver, @Neuday, @Ed, @Forbes

    , @inertial
    @CCZ

    You have to admit that Yamiche Alcindor is a beautiful name.

  8. @whorefinder
    When the Left really wants to harry you, they send the blacks. One way or another.

    Or this could be an attempt by the Left to divert the anti-Trump blacks to a different bogeyman. Black congresswoman Maxine Waters has become the "in-peacher" in chief in Congress, and thinks she's the leader of the Resistance (bad wigs and all) to Trump and calling him a Russian plant, when really she's just beclowning herself nightly on corporate media.

    The Left has realized the Russia narrative is turning back on them and they need to bury it. Uppity blacks don't take orders well, so ordering Maxine to knock it off won't work. But like unruly, stupid children, distracting them with something shiny works. A good ol' shakedown of some Facebook Democrats is that shiny thing.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Maj. Kong, @Olorin, @Franz Liszt von Raiding

    Inflaming black anger is a high-risk/reward strategy for the Dems. It gave Obama Florida in ’12, but will see them removed from Missouri next year.

    While I heartily agree with Trump’s trashing of the arrogant sportsball players, it has gone over like a lead balloon with blacks. The soldier’s widow is the same way, blacks are seeing it like the mainstream left saw the Cleland/Chambliss election in 2002 Georgia, this is something they won’t forget easily.

    Those consuming the mainstream media bilge are highly susceptible to Civil Rights schmaltz, it usually takes rioting to break the conditioning (temporarily). BLM is led by outright Communists, and they still have the support of nearly every elected Democrat.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Maj. Kong

    Trump won a higher percentage of black votes since...what was it, Reagan? But the media and black "leaders" are doubling down on calling him Racist KKK Hitler. It means fewer blacks will vote for him next time around, but that means nothing.

    Trump weighed the odds of attacking the NFL anthem weenies and realized that the blacks are turning against him anyway (dude, they're literally kneeling during the anthem, you think they're voting Trump next time?) and thus it was more than worth it, as many whites, now witnessing even more open hostility and hate from blacks despite giving them a black president and despite the ones protesting being freakin'' millionaires, are turning even harder to Trump.

    The more blacks do their pro-black, anti-America protest, the more whites get woke to white identity. And Trump called attention to it---and the media is doing it for him as well.

    Usually, whitey backs down long before this, as the magic word "racist" makes it all go away. Trump hasn't backed down. And the left have nothing else in the sack besides rioting for blacks.

    The Left wanted a race war, but Trump plans to win it.

    , @Ed
    @Maj. Kong

    Blacks consume the mainstream media at higher rates than any group. There really isn't too much down side with Trump going after blacks in the public eye when they cross him. Nearly all black women voted against him and he only got 13% of black male vote. So he can't do much worse with them conversely he solidifies his hold with a white working class that often feels the system is highly favorable to blacks, undeservedly.

    I caught the Johnson widow interview. She cleaned up nicely and I got to give her props for marrying that's just unusual where she's from. Still her speech is slightly better than Rachel Jeantel that is going to blunt whatever appeal she may have.

    Replies: @Anonymous IV, @Dave Pinsen

  9. @CCZ
    Just for the record:

    Yamiche Alcindor is a Haitian-American Journalist and currently a Reporter and Videographer for The New York Times, where she covers politics and social justice issues.

    A native of Miami, Florida, Yamiche is the daughter of Haitian parents and credits her culturally authentic Haitian upbringing for shaping who she is today. After graduating from Georgetown University in 2009 with her bachelor’s degree in government and English, Yamiche started her first full-time job as a News Reporter at Newsday. She utilized her Haitian Creole and French language skills and was able to not only cover the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, but also provide guidance to her fellow editors due to her background. Yamiche’s coverage and production of multimedia stories led her to USA Today from 2011-2015, and to New York University, where she obtained a Master of Arts in broadcast news and documentary in 2015.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lurker, @silviosilver, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @inertial

    I was surprised to find that Ms. Alcindor is not closely related to Lew Alcindor / Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, a journalistically inclined New York native.

  10. H/T to Amren

    http://bcheights.com/2017/10/20/signs-supporting-white-supremacy-appears-at-starting-location-of-silence-is-still-violence-march/

    https://www.facebook.com/BostonCollege/posts/10155769066388142

    The left was triggered by one piece of paper, apparently. The Cultural Marxism from the Jesuits is unbearable. No administrator ever mentions conservatives as part of the “diverse communities”.

  11. But the grievance of black lawmakers is a particular one: As black activists tried last year to focus attention on [the usual stuff], social media giants like Facebook were being commandeered by Russian intelligence agents to turn white voters against them.

    Makes it sound like it is all a battle for the puppet strings.

    “Black activists” have pretty much been saying and doing the same thing since 1965; yet they get aced out in an election cycle by foreign agents spreading around $104,500; I feel a particularly strange pull on one of my strings…

  12. Way to sneak in the narrative. Or is this another case of projection?

    For black lawmakers, it was a chance to vent — at the outrage they felt toward Russian intelligence and its efforts to foment racial unrest in the country; at the frustration they felt toward three separate congressional investigations into Russian interference that have plodded on and yielded little; and at Facebook itself, which has been long on promises and short on action. … social media giants like Facebook were being commandeered by Russian intelligence agents to turn white voters against them. …

    • Replies: @guest
    @Romanian

    "the outrage they felt toward Russian intelligence and its efforts to foment racial unrest"

    "Go home, Ivan! Stop stealing the jobs of hard-working homegrown racial fomenters."

    , @Lurker
    @Romanian


    at the outrage they felt toward Russian intelligence and its efforts to foment racial unrest in the country
     
    Then all they had to do was stand up in public and disavow BLM. Did the Russians stop them from doing that as well?
  13. “As black activists tried last year to focus attention on police brutality, unfair treatment before the law, inequality and white supremacy, social media giants like Facebook were being commandeered by Russian intelligence agents to turn white voters against them”

    I thought the Russian strategy was to promote BLM, doing their job for them. Racial discord is an official Democrat plank, I think. So what’s the difference if white voters are turned against them? Isn’t that the plan?

    Well, no, that’s just a consequence of the plan. The plan is to pump up black turnout and hope whites don’t revolt before it’s too late for their numbers to decide elections. This election, we found out racial agitation has diminishing returns and some whites have a breaking point.

    That must be someone’s fault, and it can’t be black people or the DNC.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @guest


    “As black activists tried last year to focus attention on police brutality, unfair treatment before the law, inequality and white supremacy, social media giants like Facebook were being commandeered by Russian intelligence agents to turn white voters against them”
     
    The mind boggles.

    -"Black activists" believe their attention focusing efforts were appeals to white voters.
    -For $100,000 in ad buys, Russian intelligence agents commandeered Facebook.
    -Ads promoting the BLM social justice agenda apparently contradicted the BLM political agenda.

    What comes after "boggles"?
  14. Why is Facebook bothering to listen? (I know why, just bear with me.) Did Congress grill Ma Bell when communist subversives used telephones?

    Facebook should be able to say, “Hey, we let whoever feels like using us use us. Go suck an egg.” But they play with political fire, so they get burned.

    • Replies: @27 year old
    @guest


    Did Congress grill Ma Bell when communist subversives used telephones?
     
    They should have.

    Facebook should be able to say, “Hey, we let whoever feels like using us use us. Go suck an egg.”
     
    Give exactly as much thought to principled defense of Zucc's rights as he does to yours.
    , @Lugash
    @guest

    I think there's more going on here than the usual shakedown. Zuckerberg is on the outs with the Establishment for not doing enough to stop Trump. Whether this is 'legit' criticism of him, or just liberal rage looking for a white male to focus on is a good question... I think Sandberg is being prepped as his replacement. She's got the usual Deep State links(parents were Russian Jews who agitated in the USSR for the CIA). Her grilling in front of Congress is just to have her remember her place.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Alden

  15. @Maj. Kong
    @whorefinder

    Inflaming black anger is a high-risk/reward strategy for the Dems. It gave Obama Florida in '12, but will see them removed from Missouri next year.

    While I heartily agree with Trump's trashing of the arrogant sportsball players, it has gone over like a lead balloon with blacks. The soldier's widow is the same way, blacks are seeing it like the mainstream left saw the Cleland/Chambliss election in 2002 Georgia, this is something they won't forget easily.

    Those consuming the mainstream media bilge are highly susceptible to Civil Rights schmaltz, it usually takes rioting to break the conditioning (temporarily). BLM is led by outright Communists, and they still have the support of nearly every elected Democrat.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Ed

    Trump won a higher percentage of black votes since…what was it, Reagan? But the media and black “leaders” are doubling down on calling him Racist KKK Hitler. It means fewer blacks will vote for him next time around, but that means nothing.

    Trump weighed the odds of attacking the NFL anthem weenies and realized that the blacks are turning against him anyway (dude, they’re literally kneeling during the anthem, you think they’re voting Trump next time?) and thus it was more than worth it, as many whites, now witnessing even more open hostility and hate from blacks despite giving them a black president and despite the ones protesting being freakin” millionaires, are turning even harder to Trump.

    The more blacks do their pro-black, anti-America protest, the more whites get woke to white identity. And Trump called attention to it—and the media is doing it for him as well.

    Usually, whitey backs down long before this, as the magic word “racist” makes it all go away. Trump hasn’t backed down. And the left have nothing else in the sack besides rioting for blacks.

    The Left wanted a race war, but Trump plans to win it.

  16. @Romanian
    Way to sneak in the narrative. Or is this another case of projection?

    For black lawmakers, it was a chance to vent — at the outrage they felt toward Russian intelligence and its efforts to foment racial unrest in the country; at the frustration they felt toward three separate congressional investigations into Russian interference that have plodded on and yielded little; and at Facebook itself, which has been long on promises and short on action. … social media giants like Facebook were being commandeered by Russian intelligence agents to turn white voters against them. …
     

    Replies: @guest, @Lurker

    “the outrage they felt toward Russian intelligence and its efforts to foment racial unrest”

    “Go home, Ivan! Stop stealing the jobs of hard-working homegrown racial fomenters.”

    • LOL: ic1000
  17. @CCZ
    Just for the record:

    Yamiche Alcindor is a Haitian-American Journalist and currently a Reporter and Videographer for The New York Times, where she covers politics and social justice issues.

    A native of Miami, Florida, Yamiche is the daughter of Haitian parents and credits her culturally authentic Haitian upbringing for shaping who she is today. After graduating from Georgetown University in 2009 with her bachelor’s degree in government and English, Yamiche started her first full-time job as a News Reporter at Newsday. She utilized her Haitian Creole and French language skills and was able to not only cover the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, but also provide guidance to her fellow editors due to her background. Yamiche’s coverage and production of multimedia stories led her to USA Today from 2011-2015, and to New York University, where she obtained a Master of Arts in broadcast news and documentary in 2015.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lurker, @silviosilver, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @inertial

    her culturally authentic Haitian upbringing

    Culturally authentic upbringing for me, enriching diversity for thee.

  18. @CCZ
    Just for the record:

    Yamiche Alcindor is a Haitian-American Journalist and currently a Reporter and Videographer for The New York Times, where she covers politics and social justice issues.

    A native of Miami, Florida, Yamiche is the daughter of Haitian parents and credits her culturally authentic Haitian upbringing for shaping who she is today. After graduating from Georgetown University in 2009 with her bachelor’s degree in government and English, Yamiche started her first full-time job as a News Reporter at Newsday. She utilized her Haitian Creole and French language skills and was able to not only cover the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, but also provide guidance to her fellow editors due to her background. Yamiche’s coverage and production of multimedia stories led her to USA Today from 2011-2015, and to New York University, where she obtained a Master of Arts in broadcast news and documentary in 2015.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lurker, @silviosilver, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @inertial

    I like this article by Yamiche even better.

    I wonder what Trump thought when presented with the names he was supposed to call/refer to – La David & Myeshia Johnson. My first thought would be, “Oh gawd, do I have to? ” And then, “How the hell do you even pronounce this awkward (and frankly rather goofy) name ‘La David’ – El Ay David?”

    Maybe he had a feeling it would go poorly, but decided he could milk it politically. Or maybe he intended it to go poorly from the start. If so, I have to say – heartless as it sounds – good on him.

  19. @Romanian
    Way to sneak in the narrative. Or is this another case of projection?

    For black lawmakers, it was a chance to vent — at the outrage they felt toward Russian intelligence and its efforts to foment racial unrest in the country; at the frustration they felt toward three separate congressional investigations into Russian interference that have plodded on and yielded little; and at Facebook itself, which has been long on promises and short on action. … social media giants like Facebook were being commandeered by Russian intelligence agents to turn white voters against them. …
     

    Replies: @guest, @Lurker

    at the outrage they felt toward Russian intelligence and its efforts to foment racial unrest in the country

    Then all they had to do was stand up in public and disavow BLM. Did the Russians stop them from doing that as well?

  20. Pretty rich for the Democratic party – particularly the CBC – to accuse someone else of fomenting racial unrest as an electoral strategy. A long time ago I spent some years as a Democratic congressional staff member, and even then the CBC was considered to be an embarrassment with a disproportionate share of stupid and corrupt members, although we all were expected to mouth things like it being the conscience of Congress and BS like that.

    The fundamental political difference between the CBC/black Democrats and everyone else is that they view political shaming as the mechanism by which their constituents can get a piece of the economic pie – every other group has secured whatever place they have on the economic ladder through keeping their heads down and securing various niches in the economy in which their members are over represented. It must be incredibly humiliating to look around and see even small and relatively recent arrivals that are supposed to be oppressed running far ahead of the people to whom everyone else allegedly owes a vast debt to for building America.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Arclight

    WE WUZ KANGS!

    Replies: @JimB

    , @unit472
    @Arclight

    "they view political shaming as the mechanism by which their constituents can get a piece of the economic pie"

    It's all they've got when you sit on the caboose of mankind. Its the same old story but with a different company to steal a lyrical line from the Four Tops. In the 1970s it was Jesse Jackson mau mauing Detroit for black auto dealerships at the very moment Japanese auto makers were eating Detroits lunch. Then it was 'beer distributorships' as overall beer consumption started dropping and craft beers took off!

    It was obvious the negro was a keen consumer of cell phone technology from the moment those devices became available. They were stealing them if they couldn't afford to buy them! The same with 'social media' cause its free. There was nothing to prevent negroes from getting in on the ground floor of those industries except the lack of ability and willngness to risk their own money. They can't claim white privilege or discrimination in industries that did not yet exist!

    The negro is always a day late and a dollar short where opportunity is concerned and thus they have to adopt the 'gimme or we'll have nothing' approach.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

  21. @Maj. Kong
    @whorefinder

    Inflaming black anger is a high-risk/reward strategy for the Dems. It gave Obama Florida in '12, but will see them removed from Missouri next year.

    While I heartily agree with Trump's trashing of the arrogant sportsball players, it has gone over like a lead balloon with blacks. The soldier's widow is the same way, blacks are seeing it like the mainstream left saw the Cleland/Chambliss election in 2002 Georgia, this is something they won't forget easily.

    Those consuming the mainstream media bilge are highly susceptible to Civil Rights schmaltz, it usually takes rioting to break the conditioning (temporarily). BLM is led by outright Communists, and they still have the support of nearly every elected Democrat.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Ed

    Blacks consume the mainstream media at higher rates than any group. There really isn’t too much down side with Trump going after blacks in the public eye when they cross him. Nearly all black women voted against him and he only got 13% of black male vote. So he can’t do much worse with them conversely he solidifies his hold with a white working class that often feels the system is highly favorable to blacks, undeservedly.

    I caught the Johnson widow interview. She cleaned up nicely and I got to give her props for marrying that’s just unusual where she’s from. Still her speech is slightly better than Rachel Jeantel that is going to blunt whatever appeal she may have.

    • Replies: @Anonymous IV
    @Ed

    Yes, Trump was/is always going to lose 90% of the black vote to a Democrat--no matter what Trump says or does. He could say all the "right" things, and he still wouldn't budge that Dem loyalty.
    I wonder if Trunp's NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into "The Black Party" (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians. Let the latter groups mull over the prospect: Is *this* what you want to align yourselves with? During the Obama years, everyone who could was clamoring to be as non-white as possible. Public figures with three white grandparents and creamed-coffee skin tone branded themselves as "black"--and why not? It was cool, and "they" were ascendant. But now that resentment is growing among Asians that affirmative action is working against them in elite college admissions, for example, this rush to ally with the angry blacks might not seem so enticing. I've often felt that the invocations of WW2 internment camps was a lot of "me-too-ism" from Asians trying to get on the grievance train while it was cool to do so. I don't think they have nearly the deep resentments against traditional America that blacks do.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Tiny Duck, @AndrewR, @Jack Hanson, @whorefinder, @AM, @Anonymous, @Alden

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Ed

    Another black gold star widow released a video of her call with Trump. He sounds fine on it, and she does too.


    https://twitter.com/DanLamothe/status/921161558763372545

    Replies: @Anonymous

  22. @CCZ
    Just for the record:

    Yamiche Alcindor is a Haitian-American Journalist and currently a Reporter and Videographer for The New York Times, where she covers politics and social justice issues.

    A native of Miami, Florida, Yamiche is the daughter of Haitian parents and credits her culturally authentic Haitian upbringing for shaping who she is today. After graduating from Georgetown University in 2009 with her bachelor’s degree in government and English, Yamiche started her first full-time job as a News Reporter at Newsday. She utilized her Haitian Creole and French language skills and was able to not only cover the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, but also provide guidance to her fellow editors due to her background. Yamiche’s coverage and production of multimedia stories led her to USA Today from 2011-2015, and to New York University, where she obtained a Master of Arts in broadcast news and documentary in 2015.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lurker, @silviosilver, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @inertial

    “Culturally authentic Haitian upbringing.” Ha ha ha! Haiti is the poorest country in the New World. What’s so great about a “culturally authentic Haitian upbringing”?

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    If I immigrated here or my parents did, I would rather have to claim ancestry from the worst African nation over Haiti.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @silviosilver
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    She didn't say it was great, she just said it was authentically Haitian.

    What's wrong with that? Your race, country, ethnicity, religion, school, family etc doesn't have to be the greatest in order for you to like it.

    Haiti has surely performed woefully over the decades, but I don't think merely being from Haiti is itself a mark of shame.

    Replies: @Ed, @Kylie

    , @Neuday
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    A culturally authentic Haitian upbringing? Her tin house blew away every few years, an occasional rape, and gnawing hunger relieved by mud cookies? Doubtful. More likely it was a Disneyworld-does-Haiti experience, with coy voodoo, traditional Haitian songs, holidays, and dress, and a Haitian ringtone on her iGadget.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @Ed
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Not much but in comparison to underclass African-American culture it's an improvement.

    Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    , @Forbes
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Culturally authentic Haitian upbringing = beaucoup diversity Pokemon points.

    Academia (in this instance, the law school admissions council) defines diversity factors to include, but are not limited to, the following:

    • Ethnic minority
    • Low-income childhood
    • Low-income now
    • First generation in your family to graduate from college
    • GLBTQ community
    • Non-traditional student (i.e., older student)
    • Single parent while attending college
    • Disabilities (learning, physical, mental)
    • Underrepresented religious affiliation
    • Immigrant
    • Foster child
    • Grew up in an unusual neighborhood, town/city, or country
    • Grew up with unique circumstances that are underrepresented in the student body

    Replies: @Forbes

  23. Blacks are the only group of people on the face of the Earth with their hands stuck out in a perpetual expectation of a handout. Collectively, they’re a race of parasites and can only take from others: welfare, crime or corruption.

  24. @Ed
    @Maj. Kong

    Blacks consume the mainstream media at higher rates than any group. There really isn't too much down side with Trump going after blacks in the public eye when they cross him. Nearly all black women voted against him and he only got 13% of black male vote. So he can't do much worse with them conversely he solidifies his hold with a white working class that often feels the system is highly favorable to blacks, undeservedly.

    I caught the Johnson widow interview. She cleaned up nicely and I got to give her props for marrying that's just unusual where she's from. Still her speech is slightly better than Rachel Jeantel that is going to blunt whatever appeal she may have.

    Replies: @Anonymous IV, @Dave Pinsen

    Yes, Trump was/is always going to lose 90% of the black vote to a Democrat–no matter what Trump says or does. He could say all the “right” things, and he still wouldn’t budge that Dem loyalty.
    I wonder if Trunp’s NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into “The Black Party” (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians. Let the latter groups mull over the prospect: Is *this* what you want to align yourselves with? During the Obama years, everyone who could was clamoring to be as non-white as possible. Public figures with three white grandparents and creamed-coffee skin tone branded themselves as “black”–and why not? It was cool, and “they” were ascendant. But now that resentment is growing among Asians that affirmative action is working against them in elite college admissions, for example, this rush to ally with the angry blacks might not seem so enticing. I’ve often felt that the invocations of WW2 internment camps was a lot of “me-too-ism” from Asians trying to get on the grievance train while it was cool to do so. I don’t think they have nearly the deep resentments against traditional America that blacks do.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @Anonymous IV

    Asians being denied elite university enrollment because of AA is something that goes back to late 80's-early 90's at least. I think Herrnstein and Murray pointed out it was already happening in the Bell Curve, which was published in 1993 or 94.

    Replies: @Alden, @MadDog

    , @Tiny Duck
    @Anonymous IV

    Sucks for you that ALL People of Color are united in the fight against white supremacy

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    Replies: @fish, @botazefa, @Dave Shanken, @Reg Cæsar

    , @AndrewR
    @Anonymous IV

    I don't recall the internment camps being for "Asians," but perhaps you're better versed on the latest scholarship than I.

    Perhaps the public figure with the greatest resentment towards traditional America was Yuri Kochiyama, a communist who was interned during the war and whose father died while interned. Before she died a few years ago, she literally named Osama bin Laden as one of her most admired heroes. Google, of course, chose to posthumously honor her in a google doodle a year or two ago.

    Replies: @Anonymous IV, @anonguy

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Anonymous IV

    I would say this theory has some legs, with Maxine Waters and that dried up Wilson woman becoming the face of the Democrat Party.

    , @whorefinder
    @Anonymous IV

    Not too long ago, in a prepared public speech, I heard an Asian federal judge in NYC describe the Japanese WW2 camps as "concentration camps."

    Let me emphasized that this was a prepared speech. And federal judges are very careful with their words, and traditionally eschew making overtly political statements.

    This judge knew what he was doing----he was deliberately comparing and conflating Nazi death camps with temporary Japanese relocation areas, where no one was gassed or exterminated.

    The more I thought about his "slip", the more it concerned me.

    Replies: @BB753, @Reg Cæsar, @Moses, @Karl

    , @AM
    @Anonymous IV


    I wonder if Trunp’s NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into “The Black Party” (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians
     
    Unfortunately, this theory seems to seriously mis-read the Trumpian mindset. I can't find any evidence he thinks along these lines. In fact, Trump appears to be completely dedicated to color blindness, although thank God he hold his standards high and has no use for affirmative action. If he surrounds himself by white Christian men and they're the most qualified to get things done, so be it.

    That said, this would be an actual side effect of the spat and very observant. The Democratic Party is unstable collation of many groups. In real life, white limousine liberals really have nothing in common with a black guy in the ghetto other than a mutual interest in who is the receiver of other people's stuff. In ye olde days, if blacks made noise, well it was okay to placate - the white working class wasn't going anywhere and things hadn't quite moved to an extreme.

    In 2017, the Democrats are forced to run back and forth between increasingly vocal and extremist groups including the limousine liberals that actually fund the Democratic party. While I doubt Asians (or Hispanics actually) are moved by the abortion issue, I highly doubt they're thrilled with watching blacks look like entitled thugs.
    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous IV

    Blacks, 85% plus or minus a few, vote for whoever they be told to by their Big Men, usually their preachers. Buy them off and they'll have their charges vote for whoever has bought them.


    Remember Alvin Greene? His name was accidentally put on the papers that black churches don't hand out (because the IRS doesn't allow such things). Later he ran for the nomination for the House and got random noise votes.



    Alvin Michael Greene (born August 30, 1977) is an American political candidate from the state of South Carolina. He was the Democratic Party's nominee in the 2010 United States Senate election in South Carolina. He was defeated by incumbent Republican Sen. Jim DeMint by a margin of 61.46% to 27.65%, with most of the remaining votes going to Green Party candidate and environmental activist Tom Clements.[1] He was the first African-American to be nominated for U.S. Senate by a major party in South Carolina.[2][3] In the general election, Greene faced DeMint, Green Party candidate Tom Clements and write-in candidates Nathalie Dupree[4] and Mazie Ferguson.[5] Greene won the Democratic primary race against candidate Vic Rawl[6] on June 8, 2010, with 59% of the vote, despite very limited campaigning and campaign spending, and having no website and no yard signs.[7] The executive committee of the South Carolina Democratic Party voted 55 to 10 to reject Rawl's request for a new Senate primary after questions were raised about Greene's surprise victory.[8][9]

    Greene graduated from the University of South Carolina in 2000 with a degree in political science.[10] He is a United States military veteran who served in the U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force before receiving an involuntary honorable discharge in 2009. At the time of his Senate campaign, Greene was unemployed and living with and caring for his father[11] in Manning.[12] On August 13, 2010, it was announced that he had been indicted on criminal charges of showing pornographic pictures to an 18-year-old female college student.[13][14]

    Greene was reportedly considering a run for President of the United States in 2012,[15] but later declined.[16] On December 24, 2010, Greene filed as a candidate in the Democratic primary special election for the South Carolina House of Representatives seat left vacant by the death of Representative Cathy Harvin.[17] The primary was held on February 15, 2011; Greene received 37 votes.[18]
     
    This happens all over the country. I know it does because when I was a musical instrument tech I saw those papers piled up in the bottom of a Leslie brought in from a black church.

    Replies: @Nico

    , @Alden
    @Anonymous IV

    Asians vote solidly Democratic. The various activist Asian groups all endorse liberal measures on the ballot. Asian spokes critters all claim to favor affirmative action. They generally don't vote unto the 4th generation anyway.

    There is a fairly strong Chinese Republican group in California. But they are mostly from Taiwan and want Taiwan to keep its independent position instead of becoming an outright province of China. They are like the Cuban Americans. They donate to Republicans because Democrats love communist societies.

    The Japanese who were in the internment camps as adults and teens are mostly dead. What is left in Japanese who were in the camps as babies and toddlers. They really don't remember. And Japanese are a tiny tiny minority group because japan being peaceful and prosperous thanks to we American taxpayers all these years, sends no immigrants to America.

    Like Jews, Asians may live like aristocracy, but they vote Democratic when they bother to vote which is seldom.

    Replies: @Anonymous IV

  25. “Russia studied and exploited the ‘fault lines of racial tension,’ said Representative Yvette D. Clarke,”

    as she complained, “but that’s OUR job!”

  26. At this level of arrogance and lies from Black leadership, I sure hope Trump uses blacks behaving badly as a rope a dope to get more white votes. Asian too. Hispanic too. Might raise Trumps polling too! Message to black leadership and kneeling NFL players. Keep acting like mad dogs, as though you call the shots, as though you are the majority population in America.

    All above attributable to / “Black’s toxic levels of self esteem” – quote from Nicholas Stix

  27. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @CCZ

    "Culturally authentic Haitian upbringing." Ha ha ha! Haiti is the poorest country in the New World. What's so great about a "culturally authentic Haitian upbringing"?

    Replies: @Clyde, @silviosilver, @Neuday, @Ed, @Forbes

    If I immigrated here or my parents did, I would rather have to claim ancestry from the worst African nation over Haiti.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Clyde


    If I immigrated here or my parents did, I would rather have to claim ancestry from the worst African nation over Haiti.
     
    Well, you'll probably feel differently when you finish high school.
  28. The SOP for dealing with the CBC going forward is simple – nod, agree and make empty gestures while silently promoting some CBC connected relative to a meaningless sinecure.

  29. For black lawmakers, it was a chance to vent — at the outrage they felt toward Russian intelligence….

    One does not vent at outrage any more than one blows off at steam. One may, I reckon, vent one’s outrage. (The thing vented is the pent up emotion.)

    That tears it. I’m quitting my job today to become a featured writer for the New York Times. My name shall be Hïæłéùç Ûšõxøzx (a ridiculous and clearly alien name being the sole prerequisite for employment by these jackasses).

  30. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @CCZ

    "Culturally authentic Haitian upbringing." Ha ha ha! Haiti is the poorest country in the New World. What's so great about a "culturally authentic Haitian upbringing"?

    Replies: @Clyde, @silviosilver, @Neuday, @Ed, @Forbes

    She didn’t say it was great, she just said it was authentically Haitian.

    What’s wrong with that? Your race, country, ethnicity, religion, school, family etc doesn’t have to be the greatest in order for you to like it.

    Haiti has surely performed woefully over the decades, but I don’t think merely being from Haiti is itself a mark of shame.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @silviosilver

    Exactly and at least the Haitians can claim descent from people that freed themselves as opposed to waiting for whites to get around to it.

    , @Kylie
    @silviosilver

    "Haiti has surely performed woefully over the decades, but I don’t think merely being from Haiti is itself a mark of shame."

    http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/07/29/537945957/you-probably-dont-want-to-know-about-haitis-sewage-problems

  31. @Clyde
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    If I immigrated here or my parents did, I would rather have to claim ancestry from the worst African nation over Haiti.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    If I immigrated here or my parents did, I would rather have to claim ancestry from the worst African nation over Haiti.

    Well, you’ll probably feel differently when you finish high school.

  32. OT David Brooks gives good advice on handling Bibi Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman.

    How To Engage A Fanatic

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @silviosilver

    Ah, Brooks again. For a while in his piece he shows promise and you think "this time he'll get it". And then he goes off the rails. Here, for example;

    "For example, you can’t have a civil conversation with people who are intent on destroying the rules that govern conversation itself. It’s fruitless to engage with people who are impervious to facts."

    Yes, David, YES!

    The first part is close to Kant's Categorical Imperative. You cannot act in such a way that the consequences of your actions would undermine the very conditions that made such an act possible in the first place. Good so far.

    But then he follows with this: "There are some ideas — like racism — that are so noxious they deserve no recognition in any decent community."

    No, David, no.

    What do you mean by "racism"? You can't lay down a general principle and then throw in an undefined particular to justify, refute or illustrate it. In doing so you are "destroying the rules that govern conversation itself".

    And all too predictably comes the dig at all those who have posters of Adolf's stern visage midst the Nazi regalia in their closet, "These days, most fanatics are not Nietzschean supermen. They are lonely and sad, their fanaticism emerging from wounded pride, a feeling of not being seen."

    He clinches his argument with, "We all swim in a common pool."

    Well, maybe. Except for those Muslim guys that were caught masturbating (or was it raping a 10 year old boy) in the public pool in Germany. I don't think they were putting their heads underwater, David. They weren't swimming.

  33. The never=ending joys of Diversity.

    The rich whites – mostly Jews – who own most of Facebook will be bothered by this, but they would rather be outed as pedophiles than accused of racism. So they will buy off blacks and make it up to themselves with increased culture war to obliterate white Middle America.

  34. Wow, am I reading this right? The new narrative is literally that Russia “meddled in the election” by promoting Black Lives Matter?

    Has anyone pressed them on the absurdity of this? (Lol, ok yeah I know)

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @27 year old


    Wow, am I reading this right? The new narrative is literally that Russia “meddled in the election” by promoting Black Lives Matter?
    Has anyone pressed them on the absurdity of this? (Lol, ok yeah I know)
     
    Congressional Black Caucus - They have no class or honor and logic is out the window. Plus lets remember that all the crazy shenanigans of Black Caucus members are done for blacks in their district and American blacks as a whole. This is who they are performing for. This is who they are acting out for.
    Whitey is irrelevant unless the Black Caucus is busy guilt tripping us into more gimmes for "the community".
  35. I’m surprised that Russian Rubble is not the safe space currency instead of the Swiss Franc. Russians can spend a tiny amount of money (say 4,500 USD with Google) and the Rubble is so powerful that it has the ability to counter balance over $1 billion USD in adv money that Hillary spent. Now, that is some powerful currency.

  36. Once on vacation on the island of Antigua, we were riding with a black cab driver. When he got on the topic of Haitian immigrants to his island, I thought his comments were going to strip the paint off passing cars.

  37. @27 year old
    Wow, am I reading this right? The new narrative is literally that Russia "meddled in the election" by promoting Black Lives Matter?

    Has anyone pressed them on the absurdity of this? (Lol, ok yeah I know)

    Replies: @Clyde

    Wow, am I reading this right? The new narrative is literally that Russia “meddled in the election” by promoting Black Lives Matter?
    Has anyone pressed them on the absurdity of this? (Lol, ok yeah I know)

    Congressional Black Caucus – They have no class or honor and logic is out the window. Plus lets remember that all the crazy shenanigans of Black Caucus members are done for blacks in their district and American blacks as a whole. This is who they are performing for. This is who they are acting out for.
    Whitey is irrelevant unless the Black Caucus is busy guilt tripping us into more gimmes for “the community”.

  38. @guest
    Why is Facebook bothering to listen? (I know why, just bear with me.) Did Congress grill Ma Bell when communist subversives used telephones?

    Facebook should be able to say, "Hey, we let whoever feels like using us use us. Go suck an egg." But they play with political fire, so they get burned.

    Replies: @27 year old, @Lugash

    Did Congress grill Ma Bell when communist subversives used telephones?

    They should have.

    Facebook should be able to say, “Hey, we let whoever feels like using us use us. Go suck an egg.”

    Give exactly as much thought to principled defense of Zucc’s rights as he does to yours.

  39. @Clyde
    @whorefinder


    A good ol’ shakedown of some Facebook Democrats is that shiny thing.
     
    Shake them down to do what? Hire more black female diversity commissars? Hire more hidden figures type coders?

    Replies: @Sunbeam

    “Shake them down to do what? Hire more black female diversity commissars? Hire more hidden figures type coders?”

    Something that seems obvious to me is that Facebook (nor Google or Ebay) need to be US concerns to actually serve the US market.

    You literally could have the server farms and all the developers and behind the scenes guys in China.

    Ebay and Amazon actually have features that make it possible for them to compete with them on price.

    As for Google and Facebook they have inertia on their side right now. But Google is a lot easier to drop than Facebook. I’ve quit using it. Whether it works better than DuckDuck is besides the point. It’s just that easy to use another search engine.

    Just saying that while it’s been a good run, these Silicon Vally concerns might well find they aren’t immune to having to have a cost effective workforce – as opposed to one that is cheap for the Zuck.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Sunbeam


    As for Google and Facebook they have inertia on their side right now. But Google is a lot easier to drop than Facebook. I’ve quit using it. Whether it works better than DuckDuck is besides the point. It’s just that easy to use another search engine.
     
    I use Bing for searches. It is 95% as good as google. I have to resort to google search a few times a week. Last thing I want is to be tracked by those maggots at google. Bing cannot track my searches because I use the "trackmenot" extension on chrome and firefox.
    , @Karl
    @Sunbeam

    37 Sunbeam > Google is a lot easier to drop than Facebook.


    .... Your great-grandparents didn't even own a television, but they conquered the world in 1945.

    You are some pretty weak soup, shipmate.

  40. I don’t really understand what the outrage is.

    The Black Caucus is mad that Russians were pretending to support the BLM groups that the Black Caucus actually supports? Is that it?

  41. @Desiderius

    For more than an hour, Sheryl Sandberg, Facebook’s high-profile chief operating officer, sheepishly pledged to “do better” — over and over — as stern-faced members of the Congressional Black Caucus grilled her on Thursday about Russian ads aimed at exploiting racial divisions during last year’s election.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ

    That's the show. Of course in reality it's just more sue and settle bullshit. Sandberg's hand holds the whip.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    I’m truly curious……do they truly believe this Russian horseshit?

    Trump won several stateslike Florida and Michigan that never go by the margins they do…..they can’t be this stupid

  42. @Arclight
    Pretty rich for the Democratic party - particularly the CBC - to accuse someone else of fomenting racial unrest as an electoral strategy. A long time ago I spent some years as a Democratic congressional staff member, and even then the CBC was considered to be an embarrassment with a disproportionate share of stupid and corrupt members, although we all were expected to mouth things like it being the conscience of Congress and BS like that.

    The fundamental political difference between the CBC/black Democrats and everyone else is that they view political shaming as the mechanism by which their constituents can get a piece of the economic pie - every other group has secured whatever place they have on the economic ladder through keeping their heads down and securing various niches in the economy in which their members are over represented. It must be incredibly humiliating to look around and see even small and relatively recent arrivals that are supposed to be oppressed running far ahead of the people to whom everyone else allegedly owes a vast debt to for building America.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @unit472

    WE WUZ KANGS!

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Neoconned

    Blacks stole that line from the Irish.

  43. @Anonymous IV
    @Ed

    Yes, Trump was/is always going to lose 90% of the black vote to a Democrat--no matter what Trump says or does. He could say all the "right" things, and he still wouldn't budge that Dem loyalty.
    I wonder if Trunp's NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into "The Black Party" (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians. Let the latter groups mull over the prospect: Is *this* what you want to align yourselves with? During the Obama years, everyone who could was clamoring to be as non-white as possible. Public figures with three white grandparents and creamed-coffee skin tone branded themselves as "black"--and why not? It was cool, and "they" were ascendant. But now that resentment is growing among Asians that affirmative action is working against them in elite college admissions, for example, this rush to ally with the angry blacks might not seem so enticing. I've often felt that the invocations of WW2 internment camps was a lot of "me-too-ism" from Asians trying to get on the grievance train while it was cool to do so. I don't think they have nearly the deep resentments against traditional America that blacks do.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Tiny Duck, @AndrewR, @Jack Hanson, @whorefinder, @AM, @Anonymous, @Alden

    Asians being denied elite university enrollment because of AA is something that goes back to late 80’s-early 90’s at least. I think Herrnstein and Murray pointed out it was already happening in the Bell Curve, which was published in 1993 or 94.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Unladen Swallow

    Whites have been seriously discriminated against in everything, from employment, promotions, college admissions, bank loans and every thing possible since 1968. Better to worry about fellow Whites than Asians.

    As soon as they get out of college they get all sorts of hiring special privileges because they are Asian. But Whites, especially men are at the bottom of the preference ladder.

    We need to take care of our own and worry about our own instead of another race that has more privileges than we do.

    , @MadDog
    @Unladen Swallow

    Boo hoo. Asians didn't build our universities. Whites did. And they are totally quota'd out. I'm not sympathetic.

    And memorizing texts and tests is a skill but you need to be more than that. How does the presence of collectivists encourage learning? Seems to me it encourages memorizing. Where is the creativity and growth?

  44. @Arclight
    Pretty rich for the Democratic party - particularly the CBC - to accuse someone else of fomenting racial unrest as an electoral strategy. A long time ago I spent some years as a Democratic congressional staff member, and even then the CBC was considered to be an embarrassment with a disproportionate share of stupid and corrupt members, although we all were expected to mouth things like it being the conscience of Congress and BS like that.

    The fundamental political difference between the CBC/black Democrats and everyone else is that they view political shaming as the mechanism by which their constituents can get a piece of the economic pie - every other group has secured whatever place they have on the economic ladder through keeping their heads down and securing various niches in the economy in which their members are over represented. It must be incredibly humiliating to look around and see even small and relatively recent arrivals that are supposed to be oppressed running far ahead of the people to whom everyone else allegedly owes a vast debt to for building America.

    Replies: @Neoconned, @unit472

    “they view political shaming as the mechanism by which their constituents can get a piece of the economic pie”

    It’s all they’ve got when you sit on the caboose of mankind. Its the same old story but with a different company to steal a lyrical line from the Four Tops. In the 1970s it was Jesse Jackson mau mauing Detroit for black auto dealerships at the very moment Japanese auto makers were eating Detroits lunch. Then it was ‘beer distributorships’ as overall beer consumption started dropping and craft beers took off!

    It was obvious the negro was a keen consumer of cell phone technology from the moment those devices became available. They were stealing them if they couldn’t afford to buy them! The same with ‘social media’ cause its free. There was nothing to prevent negroes from getting in on the ground floor of those industries except the lack of ability and willngness to risk their own money. They can’t claim white privilege or discrimination in industries that did not yet exist!

    The negro is always a day late and a dollar short where opportunity is concerned and thus they have to adopt the ‘gimme or we’ll have nothing’ approach.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @unit472

    "The negro is always a day late and a dollar short where opportunity is concerned and thus they have to adopt the ‘gimme or we’ll have nothing’ approach."

    True dat. And a day late in realizing that whites are adopting the same approach that negroes express; "gimme or we'll have nothing". Okay. You get nothing. Now leave us alone or leave.

  45. Facebook declined to comment on the specifics of the advertisements but noted : “The vast majority of ads run by these accounts didn’t specifically reference the U.S. presidential election or voting for a particular candidate. Rather, the ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum — touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights.”

    strange that Facebook refuses to release any of the these advertisements. Why are they afraid to release the details of the ads to the public ? Facebook is an international firm, will they ban advertisements from all foreigners ?

    Some ads described to POLITICO echoed Trump campaign themes, including ones that advocated tough laws on illegal immigration. Others seem to indicate support for Black Lives Matter, an activist group Trump has strongly condemned, or for Muslim women who supported Clinton.

    strange that ads supporting BLM would be considered pro-Trump. Russia has a long history of supporting Black political movements to destabilize America. Maybe the Russians are the reason so many Black players are kneeling for the National Anthem. Would be interesting in Putin paid Kaepernick to kneel last year. If Putin really wants Trump to increase his power he should pay the players to start burning the American Flag while the anthem is sung on live TV during the Super Bowl and infiltrate Major League Baseball to convince the many hispanic players to display their hatred for America during the World Series.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Travis


    strange that ads supporting BLM would be considered pro-Trump
     
    It's not strange at all; it makes perfect sense. That's why I was cheering on BLM (and ISIS) in the run up to the election. In fact, I would cite the incident of white students spontaneously breaking out into chants of "Trump, Trump, Trump" in response to campus BLM incitements as one of the defining moments of last year's election cycle - and if trends continue, perhaps it will be seen as one of the defining moments of American racial history, much the way the Ken State shootings came to be one of the defining moments of the anti-Vietnam War protest movement.

    But it's certainly rather strange that Democrats would take the position that promoting BLM was a pro-Trump strategy. Strange or not, I'm glad they're doing it, because you have to expect it to cause some pretty intense cog diss among the more cognitively inclined Democrats.

    Replies: @David Allan coe

    , @International Jew
    @Travis


    strange that Facebook refuses to release any of these advertisements. Why are they afraid to release the details of the ads to the public?
     
    It's obvious: these ads were made of superduper weaponized democrat kryptonite that somehow neutralized two thousand times their weight in pro-Hillary ads. Release them into the wild and who knows what they could do!

    Replies: @Travis

  46. @unit472
    @Arclight

    "they view political shaming as the mechanism by which their constituents can get a piece of the economic pie"

    It's all they've got when you sit on the caboose of mankind. Its the same old story but with a different company to steal a lyrical line from the Four Tops. In the 1970s it was Jesse Jackson mau mauing Detroit for black auto dealerships at the very moment Japanese auto makers were eating Detroits lunch. Then it was 'beer distributorships' as overall beer consumption started dropping and craft beers took off!

    It was obvious the negro was a keen consumer of cell phone technology from the moment those devices became available. They were stealing them if they couldn't afford to buy them! The same with 'social media' cause its free. There was nothing to prevent negroes from getting in on the ground floor of those industries except the lack of ability and willngness to risk their own money. They can't claim white privilege or discrimination in industries that did not yet exist!

    The negro is always a day late and a dollar short where opportunity is concerned and thus they have to adopt the 'gimme or we'll have nothing' approach.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    “The negro is always a day late and a dollar short where opportunity is concerned and thus they have to adopt the ‘gimme or we’ll have nothing’ approach.”

    True dat. And a day late in realizing that whites are adopting the same approach that negroes express; “gimme or we’ll have nothing”. Okay. You get nothing. Now leave us alone or leave.

  47. Im so sick of Russian meddling. We need to do something about those racist commies.

    Also, Blacks will soon be a plurality of people worldwide.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Tiny Duck

    A nation of Africans with nuclear weapons left behind by the Whites. I wonder what happens next. Let's make sure the firing instructions use pictures yet remain vague.

    , @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    "Put that in your pipe and smoke it"

    Pretty clear you've been putting something in your pipe and smoking it.....

    , @Fran800
    @Tiny Duck

    You know, really Communism went out in Russia around 1990. Then we had 10 years of ruthless oligarchic "capitalism", which was really monstrous theft taking advantage of the chaos and lack of regulation and functioning government in Russia under the utterly useless Yeltsin in which American Jewish bankers (including Soros, Sachs, and Larry Summers) assisted the Russian Jewish oligarchs in robbing the Russian people and transferring all their assets abroad. Thousands of ordinary Russians were driven into poverty and starvation -- the life expectancy plummeted by 10 years. Putin rescued the country, shut down the oligarchic rule and theft and started the recovery of Russia, not only materially but spiritually by supporting the Russian Orthodox Church, which itself was purged of Communist infiltration. Throughout the Communist/Stalinist period (1920's to 1980's), there was the Comintern in Moscow, whose job was to foment Communist revolution throughout the world. It was connected with international Communist parties, who worked by means of espionage (eg Alger Hiss), theft of atomic secrets (eg the Rosenbergs), infiltration into Western and international government structures (eg Harry Dexter White), international subversion (eg Owen Lattimore), fellow travelers (eg Edward R. Murrow), propagandists (eg Arthur Miller). These people were directly "run" or strongly influenced by Soviet masters in the Comintern via the CPUSA and other Communist parties throughout the world. These were the makers of disinformation Now the Comintern is dead, Russia is no longer officially Communist and the resurgent Orthodox Church is strongly anti-Communis., It doesn't even have the means to create the disinformation campaigns, but it is recovering from its nadir under the American-sponsored Yeltsin. And yet the hysterical American deep state continues and in fact hypes up the war on Russia as if Putin is a one-man Comintern. We are now to believe that Putin influenced the Trump supporters, the Deplorables, and now we are to believe that he ran the opposition to Trump, such as the females with uterine-headgear rioting against him. Even at its height under Stalin, the Russian state never had such power or malevolence.

  48. @Anonymous IV
    @Ed

    Yes, Trump was/is always going to lose 90% of the black vote to a Democrat--no matter what Trump says or does. He could say all the "right" things, and he still wouldn't budge that Dem loyalty.
    I wonder if Trunp's NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into "The Black Party" (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians. Let the latter groups mull over the prospect: Is *this* what you want to align yourselves with? During the Obama years, everyone who could was clamoring to be as non-white as possible. Public figures with three white grandparents and creamed-coffee skin tone branded themselves as "black"--and why not? It was cool, and "they" were ascendant. But now that resentment is growing among Asians that affirmative action is working against them in elite college admissions, for example, this rush to ally with the angry blacks might not seem so enticing. I've often felt that the invocations of WW2 internment camps was a lot of "me-too-ism" from Asians trying to get on the grievance train while it was cool to do so. I don't think they have nearly the deep resentments against traditional America that blacks do.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Tiny Duck, @AndrewR, @Jack Hanson, @whorefinder, @AM, @Anonymous, @Alden

    Sucks for you that ALL People of Color are united in the fight against white supremacy

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    • Replies: @fish
    @Tiny Duck


    Oh Tinys….you sho do think'n bout "pipe" smokin lots.


    - Leonard Pitts
     

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @botazefa
    @Tiny Duck


    Sucks for you that ALL People of Color are united in the fight against white supremacy
     
    It could be true that "ALL People of Color" have been enlisted into a war that they do not understand. While engaged in the battles, the US Congress is about to pass a massive upward redistribution of wealth in terms of tax cuts, tax expenditures, and welfare spending.

    One could argue that American voters are being tricked.
    , @Dave Shanken
    @Tiny Duck

    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" (at least until the battle is over).

    The Grand Alliance of All People of Color (never very strong) is already becoming unglued.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Tiny Duck


    Put that in your pipe and smoke it
     
    Put it in your own pipe-- and not the one you smoke with.

    Smoking is cultural appropriation, anyway.
  49. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @CCZ

    "Culturally authentic Haitian upbringing." Ha ha ha! Haiti is the poorest country in the New World. What's so great about a "culturally authentic Haitian upbringing"?

    Replies: @Clyde, @silviosilver, @Neuday, @Ed, @Forbes

    A culturally authentic Haitian upbringing? Her tin house blew away every few years, an occasional rape, and gnawing hunger relieved by mud cookies? Doubtful. More likely it was a Disneyworld-does-Haiti experience, with coy voodoo, traditional Haitian songs, holidays, and dress, and a Haitian ringtone on her iGadget.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Neuday


    A culturally authentic Haitian upbringing? Her tin house blew away every few years, an occasional rape, and gnawing hunger relieved by mud cookies? Doubtful. More likely it was a Disneyworld-does-Haiti experience, with coy voodoo, traditional Haitian songs, holidays, and dress, and a Haitian ringtone on her iGadget.
     
    She's a rather plump woman, so one imagines it was not as authentic as advertised.
  50. @Tiny Duck
    Im so sick of Russian meddling. We need to do something about those racist commies.

    Also, Blacks will soon be a plurality of people worldwide.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    Replies: @Neuday, @Anonymous, @Fran800

    A nation of Africans with nuclear weapons left behind by the Whites. I wonder what happens next. Let’s make sure the firing instructions use pictures yet remain vague.

  51. @silviosilver
    OT David Brooks gives good advice on handling Bibi Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman.

    How To Engage A Fanatic

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    Ah, Brooks again. For a while in his piece he shows promise and you think “this time he’ll get it”. And then he goes off the rails. Here, for example;

    “For example, you can’t have a civil conversation with people who are intent on destroying the rules that govern conversation itself. It’s fruitless to engage with people who are impervious to facts.”

    Yes, David, YES!

    The first part is close to Kant’s Categorical Imperative. You cannot act in such a way that the consequences of your actions would undermine the very conditions that made such an act possible in the first place. Good so far.

    But then he follows with this: “There are some ideas — like racism — that are so noxious they deserve no recognition in any decent community.”

    No, David, no.

    What do you mean by “racism”? You can’t lay down a general principle and then throw in an undefined particular to justify, refute or illustrate it. In doing so you are “destroying the rules that govern conversation itself”.

    And all too predictably comes the dig at all those who have posters of Adolf’s stern visage midst the Nazi regalia in their closet, “These days, most fanatics are not Nietzschean supermen. They are lonely and sad, their fanaticism emerging from wounded pride, a feeling of not being seen.”

    He clinches his argument with, “We all swim in a common pool.”

    Well, maybe. Except for those Muslim guys that were caught masturbating (or was it raping a 10 year old boy) in the public pool in Germany. I don’t think they were putting their heads underwater, David. They weren’t swimming.

  52. @Neuday
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    A culturally authentic Haitian upbringing? Her tin house blew away every few years, an occasional rape, and gnawing hunger relieved by mud cookies? Doubtful. More likely it was a Disneyworld-does-Haiti experience, with coy voodoo, traditional Haitian songs, holidays, and dress, and a Haitian ringtone on her iGadget.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    A culturally authentic Haitian upbringing? Her tin house blew away every few years, an occasional rape, and gnawing hunger relieved by mud cookies? Doubtful. More likely it was a Disneyworld-does-Haiti experience, with coy voodoo, traditional Haitian songs, holidays, and dress, and a Haitian ringtone on her iGadget.

    She’s a rather plump woman, so one imagines it was not as authentic as advertised.

  53. Yes. FB, like Walmart, is a big, fat, juicy target for these people. But what struck me was that market cap number. Facebook’s PE is 38. Facebook doesn’t pay dividends. At a valuation of $497B, that seems like a lot of greater fools hoping for more greater fools. Of course, FB nets $3.89B/yr which is a lot, but not enough to support the current price by traditional measures but apparently This Time It’s Different.

    Are there that many new eyeballs out there? Is internet advertising worth that much? The market sure seems to think so.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    Facebook’s PE is 38. Facebook doesn’t pay dividends. At a valuation of $497B, that seems like a lot of greater fools hoping for more greater fools.
     
    Or maybe they're just content to hold it until FB runs of out of projects to invest in and starts paying out its earning as dividends. The returns mightn't be spectacular, but probably still decent.

    And who knows, maybe the price has a lot more room to grow yet. It's easy to smirk at some poor fool who got caught holding, say, Cisco as it fell to $10 from $100 (or something like that), but I wonder how much money has been left on the table by people seeing a PE ratio climb above 30 and declaring game over, can't go no higher from here?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Neoconned
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I've got the links saved on my email somewhere but basically FB uses elaborate accounting tricks to gin their books.

    They also use Wall Street stock pumping to gin up the stock price. Several yrs back when they had half the valuation they have now others were asking the same questions as you. How can $3-4 billion a yr of accounting tricks justify a $100+ billion valuation and the only rational answer zero hedge could come up w is the Fed and NSA are using Facebook as a means to collect intelligence dossiers for the Deep State.

    Same w Apple and the other so called"FANG stocks".....

    Replies: @silviosilver

  54. Wait, I thought Sheryl Sandberg was Facebook’s chief diversity officer. So far as I know she has no coding or management skills. You mean they have another one?

    Facebook hires lots of minorities. It’s actually been in the news, lately. There are plenty of jobs in Facebook’s headquarters for them in the cafeteria and behind a mop. The problem is, Facebook pays them what the illegal alien glutted labor market says they are worth, so many of them either commute in from the East Bay slums or they live in their car because they can’t afford a two million dollar bungalow in Sunnyvale or Menlo Park.

    I suspect the CBC can be bought off with some quicky campaign cash. Probably for less than The Zuck pays for walls and alarms on his estate.

  55. @Anonymous IV
    @Ed

    Yes, Trump was/is always going to lose 90% of the black vote to a Democrat--no matter what Trump says or does. He could say all the "right" things, and he still wouldn't budge that Dem loyalty.
    I wonder if Trunp's NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into "The Black Party" (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians. Let the latter groups mull over the prospect: Is *this* what you want to align yourselves with? During the Obama years, everyone who could was clamoring to be as non-white as possible. Public figures with three white grandparents and creamed-coffee skin tone branded themselves as "black"--and why not? It was cool, and "they" were ascendant. But now that resentment is growing among Asians that affirmative action is working against them in elite college admissions, for example, this rush to ally with the angry blacks might not seem so enticing. I've often felt that the invocations of WW2 internment camps was a lot of "me-too-ism" from Asians trying to get on the grievance train while it was cool to do so. I don't think they have nearly the deep resentments against traditional America that blacks do.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Tiny Duck, @AndrewR, @Jack Hanson, @whorefinder, @AM, @Anonymous, @Alden

    I don’t recall the internment camps being for “Asians,” but perhaps you’re better versed on the latest scholarship than I.

    Perhaps the public figure with the greatest resentment towards traditional America was Yuri Kochiyama, a communist who was interned during the war and whose father died while interned. Before she died a few years ago, she literally named Osama bin Laden as one of her most admired heroes. Google, of course, chose to posthumously honor her in a google doodle a year or two ago.

    • Replies: @Anonymous IV
    @AndrewR

    Oh, I didn't mean to suggest the camps themselves were generically for Asians instead of Japanese, only that Asians of today use this incident as supposed evidence of longstanding anti-Asian animus in the white American population. I've noticed an attempt among SJW-types to try to diminish the old "model minority" status of Asian Americans so as to paint them as equally oppressed as blacks.
    The usual shibboleth now is: Native American genocide, slavery, Jim Crow, internment camps, Guadalupe Hidalgo (I guess on the last one--it's hard to find an "oppress the Latino" incident with iconic status comparable to the others)

    Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    , @anonguy
    @AndrewR

    The Niihau incident likely had some bearing on the internment decision.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  56. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @CCZ

    "Culturally authentic Haitian upbringing." Ha ha ha! Haiti is the poorest country in the New World. What's so great about a "culturally authentic Haitian upbringing"?

    Replies: @Clyde, @silviosilver, @Neuday, @Ed, @Forbes

    Not much but in comparison to underclass African-American culture it’s an improvement.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @Ed

    Well, there's no welfare in Haiti.

  57. @silviosilver
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    She didn't say it was great, she just said it was authentically Haitian.

    What's wrong with that? Your race, country, ethnicity, religion, school, family etc doesn't have to be the greatest in order for you to like it.

    Haiti has surely performed woefully over the decades, but I don't think merely being from Haiti is itself a mark of shame.

    Replies: @Ed, @Kylie

    Exactly and at least the Haitians can claim descent from people that freed themselves as opposed to waiting for whites to get around to it.

    • Agree: Triumph104
  58. @Travis
    Facebook declined to comment on the specifics of the advertisements but noted : “The vast majority of ads run by these accounts didn’t specifically reference the U.S. presidential election or voting for a particular candidate. Rather, the ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum — touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights.”

    strange that Facebook refuses to release any of the these advertisements. Why are they afraid to release the details of the ads to the public ? Facebook is an international firm, will they ban advertisements from all foreigners ?

    Some ads described to POLITICO echoed Trump campaign themes, including ones that advocated tough laws on illegal immigration. Others seem to indicate support for Black Lives Matter, an activist group Trump has strongly condemned, or for Muslim women who supported Clinton.

    strange that ads supporting BLM would be considered pro-Trump. Russia has a long history of supporting Black political movements to destabilize America. Maybe the Russians are the reason so many Black players are kneeling for the National Anthem. Would be interesting in Putin paid Kaepernick to kneel last year. If Putin really wants Trump to increase his power he should pay the players to start burning the American Flag while the anthem is sung on live TV during the Super Bowl and infiltrate Major League Baseball to convince the many hispanic players to display their hatred for America during the World Series.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @International Jew

    strange that ads supporting BLM would be considered pro-Trump

    It’s not strange at all; it makes perfect sense. That’s why I was cheering on BLM (and ISIS) in the run up to the election. In fact, I would cite the incident of white students spontaneously breaking out into chants of “Trump, Trump, Trump” in response to campus BLM incitements as one of the defining moments of last year’s election cycle – and if trends continue, perhaps it will be seen as one of the defining moments of American racial history, much the way the Ken State shootings came to be one of the defining moments of the anti-Vietnam War protest movement.

    But it’s certainly rather strange that Democrats would take the position that promoting BLM was a pro-Trump strategy. Strange or not, I’m glad they’re doing it, because you have to expect it to cause some pretty intense cog diss among the more cognitively inclined Democrats.

    • Replies: @David Allan coe
    @silviosilver

    Agree, BLM helped Trump, but Carlos Slim and the media did much more to promote BLM than $4000 of Facebook ads.

    Will the Mexican collusion be investigated by the Democrats ? If not for the media support of BLM, Clinton may have won.

  59. @Neoconned
    @Arclight

    WE WUZ KANGS!

    Replies: @JimB

    Blacks stole that line from the Irish.

  60. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Yes. FB, like Walmart, is a big, fat, juicy target for these people. But what struck me was that market cap number. Facebook's PE is 38. Facebook doesn't pay dividends. At a valuation of $497B, that seems like a lot of greater fools hoping for more greater fools. Of course, FB nets $3.89B/yr which is a lot, but not enough to support the current price by traditional measures but apparently This Time It's Different.

    Are there that many new eyeballs out there? Is internet advertising worth that much? The market sure seems to think so.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Neoconned

    Facebook’s PE is 38. Facebook doesn’t pay dividends. At a valuation of $497B, that seems like a lot of greater fools hoping for more greater fools.

    Or maybe they’re just content to hold it until FB runs of out of projects to invest in and starts paying out its earning as dividends. The returns mightn’t be spectacular, but probably still decent.

    And who knows, maybe the price has a lot more room to grow yet. It’s easy to smirk at some poor fool who got caught holding, say, Cisco as it fell to $10 from $100 (or something like that), but I wonder how much money has been left on the table by people seeing a PE ratio climb above 30 and declaring game over, can’t go no higher from here?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @silviosilver

    I had the chance to get in at the IPO of Sun Microsystems for $10K in '81 or '82 or thereabouts. If I ahd stuck it in a drawer and did nothing, eventually I would have been bought out by Oracle and had several million dollars, even though that would have been a small fraction of what I would have had had I dumped it at the height. If I had dumped it at the height and put it all in Apple stock at the next subsequent bottom, I would be one of the wealthiest 5000 people in the world and maybe in the top 1000, I think.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  61. @AndrewR
    @Anonymous IV

    I don't recall the internment camps being for "Asians," but perhaps you're better versed on the latest scholarship than I.

    Perhaps the public figure with the greatest resentment towards traditional America was Yuri Kochiyama, a communist who was interned during the war and whose father died while interned. Before she died a few years ago, she literally named Osama bin Laden as one of her most admired heroes. Google, of course, chose to posthumously honor her in a google doodle a year or two ago.

    Replies: @Anonymous IV, @anonguy

    Oh, I didn’t mean to suggest the camps themselves were generically for Asians instead of Japanese, only that Asians of today use this incident as supposed evidence of longstanding anti-Asian animus in the white American population. I’ve noticed an attempt among SJW-types to try to diminish the old “model minority” status of Asian Americans so as to paint them as equally oppressed as blacks.
    The usual shibboleth now is: Native American genocide, slavery, Jim Crow, internment camps, Guadalupe Hidalgo (I guess on the last one–it’s hard to find an “oppress the Latino” incident with iconic status comparable to the others)

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @Anonymous IV

    They still want to come to the US and want to stay, despite the supposed history of oppression.

  62. @silviosilver
    @Travis


    strange that ads supporting BLM would be considered pro-Trump
     
    It's not strange at all; it makes perfect sense. That's why I was cheering on BLM (and ISIS) in the run up to the election. In fact, I would cite the incident of white students spontaneously breaking out into chants of "Trump, Trump, Trump" in response to campus BLM incitements as one of the defining moments of last year's election cycle - and if trends continue, perhaps it will be seen as one of the defining moments of American racial history, much the way the Ken State shootings came to be one of the defining moments of the anti-Vietnam War protest movement.

    But it's certainly rather strange that Democrats would take the position that promoting BLM was a pro-Trump strategy. Strange or not, I'm glad they're doing it, because you have to expect it to cause some pretty intense cog diss among the more cognitively inclined Democrats.

    Replies: @David Allan coe

    Agree, BLM helped Trump, but Carlos Slim and the media did much more to promote BLM than $4000 of Facebook ads.

    Will the Mexican collusion be investigated by the Democrats ? If not for the media support of BLM, Clinton may have won.

  63. @Anonymous IV
    @Ed

    Yes, Trump was/is always going to lose 90% of the black vote to a Democrat--no matter what Trump says or does. He could say all the "right" things, and he still wouldn't budge that Dem loyalty.
    I wonder if Trunp's NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into "The Black Party" (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians. Let the latter groups mull over the prospect: Is *this* what you want to align yourselves with? During the Obama years, everyone who could was clamoring to be as non-white as possible. Public figures with three white grandparents and creamed-coffee skin tone branded themselves as "black"--and why not? It was cool, and "they" were ascendant. But now that resentment is growing among Asians that affirmative action is working against them in elite college admissions, for example, this rush to ally with the angry blacks might not seem so enticing. I've often felt that the invocations of WW2 internment camps was a lot of "me-too-ism" from Asians trying to get on the grievance train while it was cool to do so. I don't think they have nearly the deep resentments against traditional America that blacks do.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Tiny Duck, @AndrewR, @Jack Hanson, @whorefinder, @AM, @Anonymous, @Alden

    I would say this theory has some legs, with Maxine Waters and that dried up Wilson woman becoming the face of the Democrat Party.

  64. @Tiny Duck
    @Anonymous IV

    Sucks for you that ALL People of Color are united in the fight against white supremacy

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    Replies: @fish, @botazefa, @Dave Shanken, @Reg Cæsar

    Oh Tinys….you sho do think’n bout “pipe” smokin lots.

    – Leonard Pitts

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @fish

    I get the impression that Tiny has smoked lots of pipe

  65. The thing that gets lost in any discussion of “Face News,” especially on Facebook and other online sources, is that the motivation of the fakers is NOT swaying an election or changing political policies. The various Fake News websites are only about one thing: getting clicks. They publish ads with crazy clickbait headlines, because every time someone clicks on one, their website gets a view, ads get served, and they get paid.

    Bob Hoffman explains it better than I can: http://adcontrarian.blogspot.com/2017/10/top-10-reasons-online-advertising-must.html

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @GeraldB

    Well yes, clickbait.

    It's either an ad that gets paid by clicking on the ad--or it's a website (news or other media) that bases its advertising rates on the traffic (eyeball views) it generates (by clickbait ads). Either way, it's about generating revenues.

    And on FB, news and ads are virtually indistinguishable. Ads drive traffic to websites, website traffic creates newsfeed posts. It's a self-referencing, self-reinforcing circle jerk.

    , @Alfa158
    @GeraldB

    What, you mean to say there is nothing of substance behind; "this cheerleader had no idea why the crowd was going wild" ?

  66. @silviosilver
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    She didn't say it was great, she just said it was authentically Haitian.

    What's wrong with that? Your race, country, ethnicity, religion, school, family etc doesn't have to be the greatest in order for you to like it.

    Haiti has surely performed woefully over the decades, but I don't think merely being from Haiti is itself a mark of shame.

    Replies: @Ed, @Kylie

    “Haiti has surely performed woefully over the decades, but I don’t think merely being from Haiti is itself a mark of shame.”

    http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/07/29/537945957/you-probably-dont-want-to-know-about-haitis-sewage-problems

  67. @Tiny Duck
    @Anonymous IV

    Sucks for you that ALL People of Color are united in the fight against white supremacy

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    Replies: @fish, @botazefa, @Dave Shanken, @Reg Cæsar

    Sucks for you that ALL People of Color are united in the fight against white supremacy

    It could be true that “ALL People of Color” have been enlisted into a war that they do not understand. While engaged in the battles, the US Congress is about to pass a massive upward redistribution of wealth in terms of tax cuts, tax expenditures, and welfare spending.

    One could argue that American voters are being tricked.

  68. Anonymous [AKA "Herodian"] says:

    White supremacy is so rampant that we don’t even get our own caucus.

  69. @guest
    Why is Facebook bothering to listen? (I know why, just bear with me.) Did Congress grill Ma Bell when communist subversives used telephones?

    Facebook should be able to say, "Hey, we let whoever feels like using us use us. Go suck an egg." But they play with political fire, so they get burned.

    Replies: @27 year old, @Lugash

    I think there’s more going on here than the usual shakedown. Zuckerberg is on the outs with the Establishment for not doing enough to stop Trump. Whether this is ‘legit’ criticism of him, or just liberal rage looking for a white male to focus on is a good question… I think Sandberg is being prepped as his replacement. She’s got the usual Deep State links(parents were Russian Jews who agitated in the USSR for the CIA). Her grilling in front of Congress is just to have her remember her place.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Lugash

    Sandberg is just the establishment "adult" in the room--just as Eric Schmidt at Google was for Brin and Page, and Jim Barksdale at Netscape was for Marc Andreessen. Dozens of these examples abound. It's the usual VC private equity approach to start-up funding--you don't give actual college-age kids access to billions without adult supervision. You can't raise capital without the adult.

    Zuck will be around as long as he cares to stay...

    , @Alden
    @Lugash

    Supposedly the big donors are not giving to the Demorats as much as usual. So the Demorats think Zuckerberg should make u the difference. It's a shakedown of Sugarhill, such an appropriate name.

  70. the company’s chief diversity officer, Maxine Williams, said in the meeting that Facebook had recently hired a record number of minority employees,

    Were these minorities H-1b workers? The children of H-1b visa holders are now complaining that they aren’t eligible for US college scholarships, student loans, employment, and can’t get into medical school under the same criteria as permanent residents and citizens. (LINK)

    The black upper middle class is increasingly being replaced by immigrants and their children, like Yamiche Alcindor. Maxine Williams, a Yale graduate and Rhodes Scholar, is from Trinidad and Tobago. As an example of how powerless the Congressional Black Caucus is, Rep. Elijah Cummings (MD) let his daughter, who had just graduated from Howard, use his car fitted with congressional plates to pick up riders for Lyft.

  71. @Anonymous IV
    @Ed

    Yes, Trump was/is always going to lose 90% of the black vote to a Democrat--no matter what Trump says or does. He could say all the "right" things, and he still wouldn't budge that Dem loyalty.
    I wonder if Trunp's NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into "The Black Party" (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians. Let the latter groups mull over the prospect: Is *this* what you want to align yourselves with? During the Obama years, everyone who could was clamoring to be as non-white as possible. Public figures with three white grandparents and creamed-coffee skin tone branded themselves as "black"--and why not? It was cool, and "they" were ascendant. But now that resentment is growing among Asians that affirmative action is working against them in elite college admissions, for example, this rush to ally with the angry blacks might not seem so enticing. I've often felt that the invocations of WW2 internment camps was a lot of "me-too-ism" from Asians trying to get on the grievance train while it was cool to do so. I don't think they have nearly the deep resentments against traditional America that blacks do.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Tiny Duck, @AndrewR, @Jack Hanson, @whorefinder, @AM, @Anonymous, @Alden

    Not too long ago, in a prepared public speech, I heard an Asian federal judge in NYC describe the Japanese WW2 camps as “concentration camps.”

    Let me emphasized that this was a prepared speech. And federal judges are very careful with their words, and traditionally eschew making overtly political statements.

    This judge knew what he was doing—-he was deliberately comparing and conflating Nazi death camps with temporary Japanese relocation areas, where no one was gassed or exterminated.

    The more I thought about his “slip”, the more it concerned me.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @whorefinder

    There's a difference between a concentration camp and an extermination camp. Although war tends to blur the difference.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @whorefinder


    The more I thought about his “slip”, the more it concerned me.
     
    And the more I see misguided patriotism used to kiss FDR's withered, un-American butt, the more it concerns me.

    Democrats put middle-class (Republican) Americans into camps because they knew exactly the kind of person who voted for their leader. One who would murder his next-door neighbor just because he looks like the enemy overseas. And that would have been a PR disaster.

    If Japanese-Americans were so dangerous, why was Minoru Yamasaki designing bunkers for the US Army? He should have been interned as well, being a 30-year-old architect and hence among the greatest risks of all.

    Ever notice how the Palmer raids took place only in Republican states, while the census was being taken? Never underestimate the duplicity of Democrats. Their motto is, "If we don't win, we don't eat!"
    , @Moses
    @whorefinder

    Media always ignores the fact that German-Americans were also sent to camps. Numbers were far smaller than Japanese-Americans, but it did happen.

    Given all the instances of Chinese- and Jewish-Americans spying on the USA for their ancestral countries, doesn't it kinda make sense though?

    We know that German-Americans had no issue going to war against Germany and killing Germans twice ("Eisenhower"). How many Chinese-Americans would take up arms against China and kill Chinese if there were a USA-China war? Same question for Jewish-Americans killing Israelis. I think it would be a problem.

    There is no such thing as a "proposition nation." That's just Cuck talk. Tribe matters.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Karl
    @whorefinder

    69 whorefinder > with temporary Japanese relocation areas


    "temporary" - were any of them ever permanently "re-settled"?

    Now I have to use google again.

  72. @whorefinder
    When the Left really wants to harry you, they send the blacks. One way or another.

    Or this could be an attempt by the Left to divert the anti-Trump blacks to a different bogeyman. Black congresswoman Maxine Waters has become the "in-peacher" in chief in Congress, and thinks she's the leader of the Resistance (bad wigs and all) to Trump and calling him a Russian plant, when really she's just beclowning herself nightly on corporate media.

    The Left has realized the Russia narrative is turning back on them and they need to bury it. Uppity blacks don't take orders well, so ordering Maxine to knock it off won't work. But like unruly, stupid children, distracting them with something shiny works. A good ol' shakedown of some Facebook Democrats is that shiny thing.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Maj. Kong, @Olorin, @Franz Liszt von Raiding

    send the blacks

    There’s a musical number in there somewhere.

    I hear it in Herschel Krustovsky’s voice.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Sondheim

  73. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @CCZ

    "Culturally authentic Haitian upbringing." Ha ha ha! Haiti is the poorest country in the New World. What's so great about a "culturally authentic Haitian upbringing"?

    Replies: @Clyde, @silviosilver, @Neuday, @Ed, @Forbes

    Culturally authentic Haitian upbringing = beaucoup diversity Pokemon points.

    Academia (in this instance, the law school admissions council) defines diversity factors to include, but are not limited to, the following:

    • Ethnic minority
    • Low-income childhood
    • Low-income now
    • First generation in your family to graduate from college
    • GLBTQ community
    • Non-traditional student (i.e., older student)
    • Single parent while attending college
    • Disabilities (learning, physical, mental)
    • Underrepresented religious affiliation
    • Immigrant
    • Foster child
    • Grew up in an unusual neighborhood, town/city, or country
    • Grew up with unique circumstances that are underrepresented in the student body

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Forbes

    Gotta love that learning and mental disabilities earn diversity points for law school (or any higher ed) admission.

  74. @Anonymous IV
    @Ed

    Yes, Trump was/is always going to lose 90% of the black vote to a Democrat--no matter what Trump says or does. He could say all the "right" things, and he still wouldn't budge that Dem loyalty.
    I wonder if Trunp's NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into "The Black Party" (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians. Let the latter groups mull over the prospect: Is *this* what you want to align yourselves with? During the Obama years, everyone who could was clamoring to be as non-white as possible. Public figures with three white grandparents and creamed-coffee skin tone branded themselves as "black"--and why not? It was cool, and "they" were ascendant. But now that resentment is growing among Asians that affirmative action is working against them in elite college admissions, for example, this rush to ally with the angry blacks might not seem so enticing. I've often felt that the invocations of WW2 internment camps was a lot of "me-too-ism" from Asians trying to get on the grievance train while it was cool to do so. I don't think they have nearly the deep resentments against traditional America that blacks do.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Tiny Duck, @AndrewR, @Jack Hanson, @whorefinder, @AM, @Anonymous, @Alden

    I wonder if Trunp’s NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into “The Black Party” (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians

    Unfortunately, this theory seems to seriously mis-read the Trumpian mindset. I can’t find any evidence he thinks along these lines. In fact, Trump appears to be completely dedicated to color blindness, although thank God he hold his standards high and has no use for affirmative action. If he surrounds himself by white Christian men and they’re the most qualified to get things done, so be it.

    That said, this would be an actual side effect of the spat and very observant. The Democratic Party is unstable collation of many groups. In real life, white limousine liberals really have nothing in common with a black guy in the ghetto other than a mutual interest in who is the receiver of other people’s stuff. In ye olde days, if blacks made noise, well it was okay to placate – the white working class wasn’t going anywhere and things hadn’t quite moved to an extreme.

    In 2017, the Democrats are forced to run back and forth between increasingly vocal and extremist groups including the limousine liberals that actually fund the Democratic party. While I doubt Asians (or Hispanics actually) are moved by the abortion issue, I highly doubt they’re thrilled with watching blacks look like entitled thugs.

  75. @Travis
    Facebook declined to comment on the specifics of the advertisements but noted : “The vast majority of ads run by these accounts didn’t specifically reference the U.S. presidential election or voting for a particular candidate. Rather, the ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum — touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights.”

    strange that Facebook refuses to release any of the these advertisements. Why are they afraid to release the details of the ads to the public ? Facebook is an international firm, will they ban advertisements from all foreigners ?

    Some ads described to POLITICO echoed Trump campaign themes, including ones that advocated tough laws on illegal immigration. Others seem to indicate support for Black Lives Matter, an activist group Trump has strongly condemned, or for Muslim women who supported Clinton.

    strange that ads supporting BLM would be considered pro-Trump. Russia has a long history of supporting Black political movements to destabilize America. Maybe the Russians are the reason so many Black players are kneeling for the National Anthem. Would be interesting in Putin paid Kaepernick to kneel last year. If Putin really wants Trump to increase his power he should pay the players to start burning the American Flag while the anthem is sung on live TV during the Super Bowl and infiltrate Major League Baseball to convince the many hispanic players to display their hatred for America during the World Series.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @International Jew

    strange that Facebook refuses to release any of these advertisements. Why are they afraid to release the details of the ads to the public?

    It’s obvious: these ads were made of superduper weaponized democrat kryptonite that somehow neutralized two thousand times their weight in pro-Hillary ads. Release them into the wild and who knows what they could do!

    • Replies: @Travis
    @International Jew

    Facebook needs to alert the authorities to the number of Americans exposed to this kremlin kryptonite...How many American eyeballs and minds were contaminated with the ads on Facebook implanted by the Russian agents. were hundreds of Americans exposed ?

  76. @guest
    "As black activists tried last year to focus attention on police brutality, unfair treatment before the law, inequality and white supremacy, social media giants like Facebook were being commandeered by Russian intelligence agents to turn white voters against them"

    I thought the Russian strategy was to promote BLM, doing their job for them. Racial discord is an official Democrat plank, I think. So what's the difference if white voters are turned against them? Isn't that the plan?

    Well, no, that's just a consequence of the plan. The plan is to pump up black turnout and hope whites don't revolt before it's too late for their numbers to decide elections. This election, we found out racial agitation has diminishing returns and some whites have a breaking point.

    That must be someone's fault, and it can't be black people or the DNC.

    Replies: @Forbes

    “As black activists tried last year to focus attention on police brutality, unfair treatment before the law, inequality and white supremacy, social media giants like Facebook were being commandeered by Russian intelligence agents to turn white voters against them”

    The mind boggles.

    -“Black activists” believe their attention focusing efforts were appeals to white voters.
    -For $100,000 in ad buys, Russian intelligence agents commandeered Facebook.
    -Ads promoting the BLM social justice agenda apparently contradicted the BLM political agenda.

    What comes after “boggles”?

  77. ….black lawmakers who said for years that they have been pushing Facebook to add a black person to its all-white board….

    They should get Genius Coates. Whenever he speaks, white people calm down and are more at ease.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @J1234

    Nothing admits to race as a social construct like black "lawmakers" advocating for the addition of a black person to an all-white board.

    Knowledge, experience, competency, excellence, achievement, merit, relevance need not apply...

    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @J1234

    How many gentiles are on the board?"

    Replies: @Karl

  78. @ic1000
    I can't tell if this is an Op-Ed or a news article. That's a subsidiary point, I suppose.

    Replies: @Nico, @Frau Katze

    Pravda was also known to give off that impression and for the same reason.

  79. @GeraldB
    The thing that gets lost in any discussion of "Face News," especially on Facebook and other online sources, is that the motivation of the fakers is NOT swaying an election or changing political policies. The various Fake News websites are only about one thing: getting clicks. They publish ads with crazy clickbait headlines, because every time someone clicks on one, their website gets a view, ads get served, and they get paid.

    Bob Hoffman explains it better than I can: http://adcontrarian.blogspot.com/2017/10/top-10-reasons-online-advertising-must.html

    Replies: @Forbes, @Alfa158

    Well yes, clickbait.

    It’s either an ad that gets paid by clicking on the ad–or it’s a website (news or other media) that bases its advertising rates on the traffic (eyeball views) it generates (by clickbait ads). Either way, it’s about generating revenues.

    And on FB, news and ads are virtually indistinguishable. Ads drive traffic to websites, website traffic creates newsfeed posts. It’s a self-referencing, self-reinforcing circle jerk.

  80. @Lugash
    @guest

    I think there's more going on here than the usual shakedown. Zuckerberg is on the outs with the Establishment for not doing enough to stop Trump. Whether this is 'legit' criticism of him, or just liberal rage looking for a white male to focus on is a good question... I think Sandberg is being prepped as his replacement. She's got the usual Deep State links(parents were Russian Jews who agitated in the USSR for the CIA). Her grilling in front of Congress is just to have her remember her place.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Alden

    Sandberg is just the establishment “adult” in the room–just as Eric Schmidt at Google was for Brin and Page, and Jim Barksdale at Netscape was for Marc Andreessen. Dozens of these examples abound. It’s the usual VC private equity approach to start-up funding–you don’t give actual college-age kids access to billions without adult supervision. You can’t raise capital without the adult.

    Zuck will be around as long as he cares to stay…

  81. @Forbes
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Culturally authentic Haitian upbringing = beaucoup diversity Pokemon points.

    Academia (in this instance, the law school admissions council) defines diversity factors to include, but are not limited to, the following:

    • Ethnic minority
    • Low-income childhood
    • Low-income now
    • First generation in your family to graduate from college
    • GLBTQ community
    • Non-traditional student (i.e., older student)
    • Single parent while attending college
    • Disabilities (learning, physical, mental)
    • Underrepresented religious affiliation
    • Immigrant
    • Foster child
    • Grew up in an unusual neighborhood, town/city, or country
    • Grew up with unique circumstances that are underrepresented in the student body

    Replies: @Forbes

    Gotta love that learning and mental disabilities earn diversity points for law school (or any higher ed) admission.

  82. @J1234

    ....black lawmakers who said for years that they have been pushing Facebook to add a black person to its all-white board....
     
    They should get Genius Coates. Whenever he speaks, white people calm down and are more at ease.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Nothing admits to race as a social construct like black “lawmakers” advocating for the addition of a black person to an all-white board.

    Knowledge, experience, competency, excellence, achievement, merit, relevance need not apply…

  83. As Facebook is a global company, with most users outside of the US, there is little to no reason to appease US blacks (who are very insignificant in the global scheme of things).

  84. @Tiny Duck
    @Anonymous IV

    Sucks for you that ALL People of Color are united in the fight against white supremacy

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    Replies: @fish, @botazefa, @Dave Shanken, @Reg Cæsar

    “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” (at least until the battle is over).

    The Grand Alliance of All People of Color (never very strong) is already becoming unglued.

  85. @International Jew
    @Travis


    strange that Facebook refuses to release any of these advertisements. Why are they afraid to release the details of the ads to the public?
     
    It's obvious: these ads were made of superduper weaponized democrat kryptonite that somehow neutralized two thousand times their weight in pro-Hillary ads. Release them into the wild and who knows what they could do!

    Replies: @Travis

    Facebook needs to alert the authorities to the number of Americans exposed to this kremlin kryptonite…How many American eyeballs and minds were contaminated with the ads on Facebook implanted by the Russian agents. were hundreds of Americans exposed ?

  86. For black lawmakers, it was a chance to vent — at the outrage they felt toward Russian intelligence and its efforts to foment racial unrest in the country

    What did more to foment racial unrest in this country, Obama’s handling of the Travon Martin and Michael Brown cases, or the $100k or whatever in Facebook ads by Russian trolls?

  87. I think the proper designation for a $1,000,000,000,000 is trilly. [More than a milly, and bigger than billy]

    So the CBO wants to collect some on that half-trilly.

    For collection purposes, better call Saul, since Johnnie Cochran is no longer available.

  88. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous IV
    @Ed

    Yes, Trump was/is always going to lose 90% of the black vote to a Democrat--no matter what Trump says or does. He could say all the "right" things, and he still wouldn't budge that Dem loyalty.
    I wonder if Trunp's NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into "The Black Party" (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians. Let the latter groups mull over the prospect: Is *this* what you want to align yourselves with? During the Obama years, everyone who could was clamoring to be as non-white as possible. Public figures with three white grandparents and creamed-coffee skin tone branded themselves as "black"--and why not? It was cool, and "they" were ascendant. But now that resentment is growing among Asians that affirmative action is working against them in elite college admissions, for example, this rush to ally with the angry blacks might not seem so enticing. I've often felt that the invocations of WW2 internment camps was a lot of "me-too-ism" from Asians trying to get on the grievance train while it was cool to do so. I don't think they have nearly the deep resentments against traditional America that blacks do.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Tiny Duck, @AndrewR, @Jack Hanson, @whorefinder, @AM, @Anonymous, @Alden

    Blacks, 85% plus or minus a few, vote for whoever they be told to by their Big Men, usually their preachers. Buy them off and they’ll have their charges vote for whoever has bought them.

    Remember Alvin Greene? His name was accidentally put on the papers that black churches don’t hand out (because the IRS doesn’t allow such things). Later he ran for the nomination for the House and got random noise votes.

    Alvin Michael Greene (born August 30, 1977) is an American political candidate from the state of South Carolina. He was the Democratic Party’s nominee in the 2010 United States Senate election in South Carolina. He was defeated by incumbent Republican Sen. Jim DeMint by a margin of 61.46% to 27.65%, with most of the remaining votes going to Green Party candidate and environmental activist Tom Clements.[1] He was the first African-American to be nominated for U.S. Senate by a major party in South Carolina.[2][3] In the general election, Greene faced DeMint, Green Party candidate Tom Clements and write-in candidates Nathalie Dupree[4] and Mazie Ferguson.[5] Greene won the Democratic primary race against candidate Vic Rawl[6] on June 8, 2010, with 59% of the vote, despite very limited campaigning and campaign spending, and having no website and no yard signs.[7] The executive committee of the South Carolina Democratic Party voted 55 to 10 to reject Rawl’s request for a new Senate primary after questions were raised about Greene’s surprise victory.[8][9]

    Greene graduated from the University of South Carolina in 2000 with a degree in political science.[10] He is a United States military veteran who served in the U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force before receiving an involuntary honorable discharge in 2009. At the time of his Senate campaign, Greene was unemployed and living with and caring for his father[11] in Manning.[12] On August 13, 2010, it was announced that he had been indicted on criminal charges of showing pornographic pictures to an 18-year-old female college student.[13][14]

    Greene was reportedly considering a run for President of the United States in 2012,[15] but later declined.[16] On December 24, 2010, Greene filed as a candidate in the Democratic primary special election for the South Carolina House of Representatives seat left vacant by the death of Representative Cathy Harvin.[17] The primary was held on February 15, 2011; Greene received 37 votes.[18]

    This happens all over the country. I know it does because when I was a musical instrument tech I saw those papers piled up in the bottom of a Leslie brought in from a black church.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Anonymous


    Blacks, 85% plus or minus a few, vote for whoever they be told to by their Big Men, usually their preachers. Buy them off and they’ll have their charges vote for whoever has bought them.
     
    Whatever else one might say about Catholicism in Latin America, prior to Vatican II at any rate the tight vertical integration of the episcopal hierarchy enabled Rome to nip such nonsense in the bud fairly early on. Even after Vatican II this same structure arguably prevented the more explicit varieties of Liberation Theology from gaining the kind of clerical support they otherwise would have and helped ensure the relative brevity of their lifespans. There exists no such safeguard for checking the insanity of Protestant clergymen in most non-Anglican, non-Lutheran settings.

    At any rate it is clear that Catholic social integralism played an important role in preventing social strife in Central and South America from taking on a racial or identitarian character. Latin American elites who for several decades running have turned a blind eye at the American evangelicals spreading the Good News to their peoples, particularly on the lower and more melanin-rich fringes of society, would do well to take heed.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  89. @Anonymous IV
    @Ed

    Yes, Trump was/is always going to lose 90% of the black vote to a Democrat--no matter what Trump says or does. He could say all the "right" things, and he still wouldn't budge that Dem loyalty.
    I wonder if Trunp's NFL spat, etc. is part of a somewhat deliberate strategy to (as Mr. Sailer has talked about elsewhere) try to turn the Democratic party into "The Black Party" (or more explicitly, the Angry Black Party) in the minds of not only whites, but lots of assimilated Latinos and Asians. Let the latter groups mull over the prospect: Is *this* what you want to align yourselves with? During the Obama years, everyone who could was clamoring to be as non-white as possible. Public figures with three white grandparents and creamed-coffee skin tone branded themselves as "black"--and why not? It was cool, and "they" were ascendant. But now that resentment is growing among Asians that affirmative action is working against them in elite college admissions, for example, this rush to ally with the angry blacks might not seem so enticing. I've often felt that the invocations of WW2 internment camps was a lot of "me-too-ism" from Asians trying to get on the grievance train while it was cool to do so. I don't think they have nearly the deep resentments against traditional America that blacks do.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @Tiny Duck, @AndrewR, @Jack Hanson, @whorefinder, @AM, @Anonymous, @Alden

    Asians vote solidly Democratic. The various activist Asian groups all endorse liberal measures on the ballot. Asian spokes critters all claim to favor affirmative action. They generally don’t vote unto the 4th generation anyway.

    There is a fairly strong Chinese Republican group in California. But they are mostly from Taiwan and want Taiwan to keep its independent position instead of becoming an outright province of China. They are like the Cuban Americans. They donate to Republicans because Democrats love communist societies.

    The Japanese who were in the internment camps as adults and teens are mostly dead. What is left in Japanese who were in the camps as babies and toddlers. They really don’t remember. And Japanese are a tiny tiny minority group because japan being peaceful and prosperous thanks to we American taxpayers all these years, sends no immigrants to America.

    Like Jews, Asians may live like aristocracy, but they vote Democratic when they bother to vote which is seldom.

    • Replies: @Anonymous IV
    @Alden

    Thanks for the insights on Asian-Amer voting.

    The more I read about this, the more I'm inclined to think that whites will probably retain national political power even in minority status, because of the apathy of Hispanic and Asian voters. Of course the other issues remain. What of the white working class who can't move away from "diverse" parts of the country? What of the increasing economic burden on the productive class of people to support all the charity cases from around the world?

  90. @Ed
    @Maj. Kong

    Blacks consume the mainstream media at higher rates than any group. There really isn't too much down side with Trump going after blacks in the public eye when they cross him. Nearly all black women voted against him and he only got 13% of black male vote. So he can't do much worse with them conversely he solidifies his hold with a white working class that often feels the system is highly favorable to blacks, undeservedly.

    I caught the Johnson widow interview. She cleaned up nicely and I got to give her props for marrying that's just unusual where she's from. Still her speech is slightly better than Rachel Jeantel that is going to blunt whatever appeal she may have.

    Replies: @Anonymous IV, @Dave Pinsen

    Another black gold star widow released a video of her call with Trump. He sounds fine on it, and she does too.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    "Another black gold star widow..."

    Well, at least they're earning gold stars. Back when I was a kid, the only way black kids were earning gold stars was to steal them off white kids' quizzes.

  91. @Unladen Swallow
    @Anonymous IV

    Asians being denied elite university enrollment because of AA is something that goes back to late 80's-early 90's at least. I think Herrnstein and Murray pointed out it was already happening in the Bell Curve, which was published in 1993 or 94.

    Replies: @Alden, @MadDog

    Whites have been seriously discriminated against in everything, from employment, promotions, college admissions, bank loans and every thing possible since 1968. Better to worry about fellow Whites than Asians.

    As soon as they get out of college they get all sorts of hiring special privileges because they are Asian. But Whites, especially men are at the bottom of the preference ladder.

    We need to take care of our own and worry about our own instead of another race that has more privileges than we do.

  92. @Lugash
    @guest

    I think there's more going on here than the usual shakedown. Zuckerberg is on the outs with the Establishment for not doing enough to stop Trump. Whether this is 'legit' criticism of him, or just liberal rage looking for a white male to focus on is a good question... I think Sandberg is being prepped as his replacement. She's got the usual Deep State links(parents were Russian Jews who agitated in the USSR for the CIA). Her grilling in front of Congress is just to have her remember her place.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Alden

    Supposedly the big donors are not giving to the Demorats as much as usual. So the Demorats think Zuckerberg should make u the difference. It’s a shakedown of Sugarhill, such an appropriate name.

  93. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver
    @The Anti-Gnostic


    Facebook’s PE is 38. Facebook doesn’t pay dividends. At a valuation of $497B, that seems like a lot of greater fools hoping for more greater fools.
     
    Or maybe they're just content to hold it until FB runs of out of projects to invest in and starts paying out its earning as dividends. The returns mightn't be spectacular, but probably still decent.

    And who knows, maybe the price has a lot more room to grow yet. It's easy to smirk at some poor fool who got caught holding, say, Cisco as it fell to $10 from $100 (or something like that), but I wonder how much money has been left on the table by people seeing a PE ratio climb above 30 and declaring game over, can't go no higher from here?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I had the chance to get in at the IPO of Sun Microsystems for $10K in ’81 or ’82 or thereabouts. If I ahd stuck it in a drawer and did nothing, eventually I would have been bought out by Oracle and had several million dollars, even though that would have been a small fraction of what I would have had had I dumped it at the height. If I had dumped it at the height and put it all in Apple stock at the next subsequent bottom, I would be one of the wealthiest 5000 people in the world and maybe in the top 1000, I think.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Anonymous

    Gee, that's too bad. When did you get out? If it was before the mid-90's, there were plenty of opportunities to get back in. I've beaten the tendency to get out too early; now my problem is I hold on too damn long, well past the point that the major run-up has been exhausted. Still, I like to think if I'd gotten into Sun in, say, 1995-97, I would have regarded the dot com hysteria as chance to get out quickly with what Peter Lynch used to call a ten-bagger.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  94. @Unladen Swallow
    @Anonymous IV

    Asians being denied elite university enrollment because of AA is something that goes back to late 80's-early 90's at least. I think Herrnstein and Murray pointed out it was already happening in the Bell Curve, which was published in 1993 or 94.

    Replies: @Alden, @MadDog

    Boo hoo. Asians didn’t build our universities. Whites did. And they are totally quota’d out. I’m not sympathetic.

    And memorizing texts and tests is a skill but you need to be more than that. How does the presence of collectivists encourage learning? Seems to me it encourages memorizing. Where is the creativity and growth?

  95. @Ed
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Not much but in comparison to underclass African-American culture it's an improvement.

    Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Well, there’s no welfare in Haiti.

  96. @Anonymous IV
    @AndrewR

    Oh, I didn't mean to suggest the camps themselves were generically for Asians instead of Japanese, only that Asians of today use this incident as supposed evidence of longstanding anti-Asian animus in the white American population. I've noticed an attempt among SJW-types to try to diminish the old "model minority" status of Asian Americans so as to paint them as equally oppressed as blacks.
    The usual shibboleth now is: Native American genocide, slavery, Jim Crow, internment camps, Guadalupe Hidalgo (I guess on the last one--it's hard to find an "oppress the Latino" incident with iconic status comparable to the others)

    Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    They still want to come to the US and want to stay, despite the supposed history of oppression.

  97. @CCZ
    Just for the record:

    Yamiche Alcindor is a Haitian-American Journalist and currently a Reporter and Videographer for The New York Times, where she covers politics and social justice issues.

    A native of Miami, Florida, Yamiche is the daughter of Haitian parents and credits her culturally authentic Haitian upbringing for shaping who she is today. After graduating from Georgetown University in 2009 with her bachelor’s degree in government and English, Yamiche started her first full-time job as a News Reporter at Newsday. She utilized her Haitian Creole and French language skills and was able to not only cover the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, but also provide guidance to her fellow editors due to her background. Yamiche’s coverage and production of multimedia stories led her to USA Today from 2011-2015, and to New York University, where she obtained a Master of Arts in broadcast news and documentary in 2015.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lurker, @silviosilver, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel, @inertial

    You have to admit that Yamiche Alcindor is a beautiful name.

  98. @J1234

    ....black lawmakers who said for years that they have been pushing Facebook to add a black person to its all-white board....
     
    They should get Genius Coates. Whenever he speaks, white people calm down and are more at ease.

    Replies: @Forbes, @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    How many gentiles are on the board?”

    • Replies: @Karl
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    96 Ris Eruwaedhiel > How many gentiles are on the board?


    As many as the voting stockholders thought advisable.

  99. If Sandberg had any integrity she’d resign so a black woman could take her privileged place.

  100. @whorefinder
    @Anonymous IV

    Not too long ago, in a prepared public speech, I heard an Asian federal judge in NYC describe the Japanese WW2 camps as "concentration camps."

    Let me emphasized that this was a prepared speech. And federal judges are very careful with their words, and traditionally eschew making overtly political statements.

    This judge knew what he was doing----he was deliberately comparing and conflating Nazi death camps with temporary Japanese relocation areas, where no one was gassed or exterminated.

    The more I thought about his "slip", the more it concerned me.

    Replies: @BB753, @Reg Cæsar, @Moses, @Karl

    There’s a difference between a concentration camp and an extermination camp. Although war tends to blur the difference.

  101. @Sunbeam
    @Clyde

    "Shake them down to do what? Hire more black female diversity commissars? Hire more hidden figures type coders?"

    Something that seems obvious to me is that Facebook (nor Google or Ebay) need to be US concerns to actually serve the US market.

    You literally could have the server farms and all the developers and behind the scenes guys in China.

    Ebay and Amazon actually have features that make it possible for them to compete with them on price.

    As for Google and Facebook they have inertia on their side right now. But Google is a lot easier to drop than Facebook. I've quit using it. Whether it works better than DuckDuck is besides the point. It's just that easy to use another search engine.

    Just saying that while it's been a good run, these Silicon Vally concerns might well find they aren't immune to having to have a cost effective workforce - as opposed to one that is cheap for the Zuck.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Karl

    As for Google and Facebook they have inertia on their side right now. But Google is a lot easier to drop than Facebook. I’ve quit using it. Whether it works better than DuckDuck is besides the point. It’s just that easy to use another search engine.

    I use Bing for searches. It is 95% as good as google. I have to resort to google search a few times a week. Last thing I want is to be tracked by those maggots at google. Bing cannot track my searches because I use the “trackmenot” extension on chrome and firefox.

  102. @AndrewR
    @Anonymous IV

    I don't recall the internment camps being for "Asians," but perhaps you're better versed on the latest scholarship than I.

    Perhaps the public figure with the greatest resentment towards traditional America was Yuri Kochiyama, a communist who was interned during the war and whose father died while interned. Before she died a few years ago, she literally named Osama bin Laden as one of her most admired heroes. Google, of course, chose to posthumously honor her in a google doodle a year or two ago.

    Replies: @Anonymous IV, @anonguy

    The Niihau incident likely had some bearing on the internment decision.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @anonguy

    Oh, absolutely, but that incident has been memory holed so as to make the internment seem 100% without any reasonable basis. They don't want people thinking "well, maybe the internment was the least bad of a lot of bad options, given what was known at the time."

  103. @Tiny Duck
    Im so sick of Russian meddling. We need to do something about those racist commies.

    Also, Blacks will soon be a plurality of people worldwide.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    Replies: @Neuday, @Anonymous, @Fran800

    “Put that in your pipe and smoke it”

    Pretty clear you’ve been putting something in your pipe and smoking it…..

  104. @fish
    @Tiny Duck


    Oh Tinys….you sho do think'n bout "pipe" smokin lots.


    - Leonard Pitts
     

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I get the impression that Tiny has smoked lots of pipe

  105. @Dave Pinsen
    @Ed

    Another black gold star widow released a video of her call with Trump. He sounds fine on it, and she does too.


    https://twitter.com/DanLamothe/status/921161558763372545

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “Another black gold star widow…”

    Well, at least they’re earning gold stars. Back when I was a kid, the only way black kids were earning gold stars was to steal them off white kids’ quizzes.

  106. @Tiny Duck
    Im so sick of Russian meddling. We need to do something about those racist commies.

    Also, Blacks will soon be a plurality of people worldwide.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    Replies: @Neuday, @Anonymous, @Fran800

    You know, really Communism went out in Russia around 1990. Then we had 10 years of ruthless oligarchic “capitalism”, which was really monstrous theft taking advantage of the chaos and lack of regulation and functioning government in Russia under the utterly useless Yeltsin in which American Jewish bankers (including Soros, Sachs, and Larry Summers) assisted the Russian Jewish oligarchs in robbing the Russian people and transferring all their assets abroad. Thousands of ordinary Russians were driven into poverty and starvation — the life expectancy plummeted by 10 years. Putin rescued the country, shut down the oligarchic rule and theft and started the recovery of Russia, not only materially but spiritually by supporting the Russian Orthodox Church, which itself was purged of Communist infiltration. Throughout the Communist/Stalinist period (1920’s to 1980’s), there was the Comintern in Moscow, whose job was to foment Communist revolution throughout the world. It was connected with international Communist parties, who worked by means of espionage (eg Alger Hiss), theft of atomic secrets (eg the Rosenbergs), infiltration into Western and international government structures (eg Harry Dexter White), international subversion (eg Owen Lattimore), fellow travelers (eg Edward R. Murrow), propagandists (eg Arthur Miller). These people were directly “run” or strongly influenced by Soviet masters in the Comintern via the CPUSA and other Communist parties throughout the world. These were the makers of disinformation Now the Comintern is dead, Russia is no longer officially Communist and the resurgent Orthodox Church is strongly anti-Communis., It doesn’t even have the means to create the disinformation campaigns, but it is recovering from its nadir under the American-sponsored Yeltsin. And yet the hysterical American deep state continues and in fact hypes up the war on Russia as if Putin is a one-man Comintern. We are now to believe that Putin influenced the Trump supporters, the Deplorables, and now we are to believe that he ran the opposition to Trump, such as the females with uterine-headgear rioting against him. Even at its height under Stalin, the Russian state never had such power or malevolence.

  107. @GeraldB
    The thing that gets lost in any discussion of "Face News," especially on Facebook and other online sources, is that the motivation of the fakers is NOT swaying an election or changing political policies. The various Fake News websites are only about one thing: getting clicks. They publish ads with crazy clickbait headlines, because every time someone clicks on one, their website gets a view, ads get served, and they get paid.

    Bob Hoffman explains it better than I can: http://adcontrarian.blogspot.com/2017/10/top-10-reasons-online-advertising-must.html

    Replies: @Forbes, @Alfa158

    What, you mean to say there is nothing of substance behind; “this cheerleader had no idea why the crowd was going wild” ?

  108. Maxine Williams is a token hire if there ever was one.

  109. @The Anti-Gnostic
    Yes. FB, like Walmart, is a big, fat, juicy target for these people. But what struck me was that market cap number. Facebook's PE is 38. Facebook doesn't pay dividends. At a valuation of $497B, that seems like a lot of greater fools hoping for more greater fools. Of course, FB nets $3.89B/yr which is a lot, but not enough to support the current price by traditional measures but apparently This Time It's Different.

    Are there that many new eyeballs out there? Is internet advertising worth that much? The market sure seems to think so.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Neoconned

    I’ve got the links saved on my email somewhere but basically FB uses elaborate accounting tricks to gin their books.

    They also use Wall Street stock pumping to gin up the stock price. Several yrs back when they had half the valuation they have now others were asking the same questions as you. How can $3-4 billion a yr of accounting tricks justify a $100+ billion valuation and the only rational answer zero hedge could come up w is the Fed and NSA are using Facebook as a means to collect intelligence dossiers for the Deep State.

    Same w Apple and the other so called”FANG stocks”…..

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Neoconned

    The thing is, often ludicrously irrational permabears like Zero Hedge have to come up with lurid claims like "accounting fraud" to explain away their failed predictions. Otherwise FB's share price seems fairly justifiable by the company's spectacular earnings growth.

  110. @Tiny Duck
    @Anonymous IV

    Sucks for you that ALL People of Color are united in the fight against white supremacy

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    Replies: @fish, @botazefa, @Dave Shanken, @Reg Cæsar

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it

    Put it in your own pipe– and not the one you smoke with.

    Smoking is cultural appropriation, anyway.

  111. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    You might laugh at these black imbeciles trying to shake down facebook, but the whole appeal of these perpetual losers is THEY NEVER WISE UP. When they “woke”, they blame YT. When they sleep, they dream of YT rape. Do monkeys dream of electric gibsmedat? Naw, they don’t have electricity in The Stone Age. They see this facebook womansplainer and they imagine she is “A Nymphoid Barbarian in Dinosaur Hell”, but actually she’s the organ grinder and they’ll get the peanuts she and hers DECIDE to gibs. The whip hand belongs on Wall Street. Martin Lootin Kang Blvd only marches when they send a bus to pick them up for that astroturf looting in Da Hood.

  112. @whorefinder
    @Anonymous IV

    Not too long ago, in a prepared public speech, I heard an Asian federal judge in NYC describe the Japanese WW2 camps as "concentration camps."

    Let me emphasized that this was a prepared speech. And federal judges are very careful with their words, and traditionally eschew making overtly political statements.

    This judge knew what he was doing----he was deliberately comparing and conflating Nazi death camps with temporary Japanese relocation areas, where no one was gassed or exterminated.

    The more I thought about his "slip", the more it concerned me.

    Replies: @BB753, @Reg Cæsar, @Moses, @Karl

    The more I thought about his “slip”, the more it concerned me.

    And the more I see misguided patriotism used to kiss FDR’s withered, un-American butt, the more it concerns me.

    Democrats put middle-class (Republican) Americans into camps because they knew exactly the kind of person who voted for their leader. One who would murder his next-door neighbor just because he looks like the enemy overseas. And that would have been a PR disaster.

    If Japanese-Americans were so dangerous, why was Minoru Yamasaki designing bunkers for the US Army? He should have been interned as well, being a 30-year-old architect and hence among the greatest risks of all.

    Ever notice how the Palmer raids took place only in Republican states, while the census was being taken? Never underestimate the duplicity of Democrats. Their motto is, “If we don’t win, we don’t eat!”

  113. Congressional Black Caucus Wants a Taste of That Facebook Half-Tril

    I want to see the Congressional Black Caucus’s cookbook.

    More to the point, I want my doctor to see it.

  114. It’s a ghetto payday. Whoop, whoop!

  115. @Anonymous
    @silviosilver

    I had the chance to get in at the IPO of Sun Microsystems for $10K in '81 or '82 or thereabouts. If I ahd stuck it in a drawer and did nothing, eventually I would have been bought out by Oracle and had several million dollars, even though that would have been a small fraction of what I would have had had I dumped it at the height. If I had dumped it at the height and put it all in Apple stock at the next subsequent bottom, I would be one of the wealthiest 5000 people in the world and maybe in the top 1000, I think.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Gee, that’s too bad. When did you get out? If it was before the mid-90’s, there were plenty of opportunities to get back in. I’ve beaten the tendency to get out too early; now my problem is I hold on too damn long, well past the point that the major run-up has been exhausted. Still, I like to think if I’d gotten into Sun in, say, 1995-97, I would have regarded the dot com hysteria as chance to get out quickly with what Peter Lynch used to call a ten-bagger.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @silviosilver

    Sadly, and my point was, I didn't do it.

    I didn't have the ten large and my father would have smacked me if I'd asked for a loan for it. I knew they would make money, because the combination of the cheap Motorola 68K microprocessor-a poor man's PDP-11 on a chip for a few hundred dollars-and being able to license Unix for a few hundred a machine (I knew about Unix because I'd read Ted Nelson's Dream Machines) meant they could undercut the full rack sized DEC and Data General machines by a factor of ten. I didn't know they would make that kind of money, though. No one did.

    What killed the workstationeers was that the commodity PC got to be equally powerful and capable at a fraction of the price because of the nature of the semiconductor business. Silicon is cheap: developing the latest smallest generation of fabs and the parts they make is expensive. Even with the phenomenally powerful EDA tools now in use, developing a microprocessor at the current leading edge is a billion dollar business. Make a billion of them and that's a buck apiece. Pentiums sold in the billions: SPARC and MIPS chips in the tens of thousands. (Low end versions in embedded work more than that, but there is no margin in that.)

    Plus which, free Unixlike OS meant that the considerable work they'd invested in making environments like Solaris and HP-UX work was of marginal value, and the commodity Microsoft OS became able to do more and more of what the Unix machines did. Almost all the expensive CAD and medical applications run on Windows now. Most Web servers run Linux, but the advantage in lower overhead and faster throughput over Windows is not an order of magnitude, it's ten or twenty percent mostly.

    I remember when Sun almost bought Apple, a move that at the time I thought would have been a big win. Looking back, it wouldn't, because no one at Sun could have done iOS or the devices using it. And that's responsible for 90 percent of Apple now.

  116. @Neoconned
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I've got the links saved on my email somewhere but basically FB uses elaborate accounting tricks to gin their books.

    They also use Wall Street stock pumping to gin up the stock price. Several yrs back when they had half the valuation they have now others were asking the same questions as you. How can $3-4 billion a yr of accounting tricks justify a $100+ billion valuation and the only rational answer zero hedge could come up w is the Fed and NSA are using Facebook as a means to collect intelligence dossiers for the Deep State.

    Same w Apple and the other so called"FANG stocks".....

    Replies: @silviosilver

    The thing is, often ludicrously irrational permabears like Zero Hedge have to come up with lurid claims like “accounting fraud” to explain away their failed predictions. Otherwise FB’s share price seems fairly justifiable by the company’s spectacular earnings growth.

  117. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous IV

    Blacks, 85% plus or minus a few, vote for whoever they be told to by their Big Men, usually their preachers. Buy them off and they'll have their charges vote for whoever has bought them.


    Remember Alvin Greene? His name was accidentally put on the papers that black churches don't hand out (because the IRS doesn't allow such things). Later he ran for the nomination for the House and got random noise votes.



    Alvin Michael Greene (born August 30, 1977) is an American political candidate from the state of South Carolina. He was the Democratic Party's nominee in the 2010 United States Senate election in South Carolina. He was defeated by incumbent Republican Sen. Jim DeMint by a margin of 61.46% to 27.65%, with most of the remaining votes going to Green Party candidate and environmental activist Tom Clements.[1] He was the first African-American to be nominated for U.S. Senate by a major party in South Carolina.[2][3] In the general election, Greene faced DeMint, Green Party candidate Tom Clements and write-in candidates Nathalie Dupree[4] and Mazie Ferguson.[5] Greene won the Democratic primary race against candidate Vic Rawl[6] on June 8, 2010, with 59% of the vote, despite very limited campaigning and campaign spending, and having no website and no yard signs.[7] The executive committee of the South Carolina Democratic Party voted 55 to 10 to reject Rawl's request for a new Senate primary after questions were raised about Greene's surprise victory.[8][9]

    Greene graduated from the University of South Carolina in 2000 with a degree in political science.[10] He is a United States military veteran who served in the U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force before receiving an involuntary honorable discharge in 2009. At the time of his Senate campaign, Greene was unemployed and living with and caring for his father[11] in Manning.[12] On August 13, 2010, it was announced that he had been indicted on criminal charges of showing pornographic pictures to an 18-year-old female college student.[13][14]

    Greene was reportedly considering a run for President of the United States in 2012,[15] but later declined.[16] On December 24, 2010, Greene filed as a candidate in the Democratic primary special election for the South Carolina House of Representatives seat left vacant by the death of Representative Cathy Harvin.[17] The primary was held on February 15, 2011; Greene received 37 votes.[18]
     
    This happens all over the country. I know it does because when I was a musical instrument tech I saw those papers piled up in the bottom of a Leslie brought in from a black church.

    Replies: @Nico

    Blacks, 85% plus or minus a few, vote for whoever they be told to by their Big Men, usually their preachers. Buy them off and they’ll have their charges vote for whoever has bought them.

    Whatever else one might say about Catholicism in Latin America, prior to Vatican II at any rate the tight vertical integration of the episcopal hierarchy enabled Rome to nip such nonsense in the bud fairly early on. Even after Vatican II this same structure arguably prevented the more explicit varieties of Liberation Theology from gaining the kind of clerical support they otherwise would have and helped ensure the relative brevity of their lifespans. There exists no such safeguard for checking the insanity of Protestant clergymen in most non-Anglican, non-Lutheran settings.

    At any rate it is clear that Catholic social integralism played an important role in preventing social strife in Central and South America from taking on a racial or identitarian character. Latin American elites who for several decades running have turned a blind eye at the American evangelicals spreading the Good News to their peoples, particularly on the lower and more melanin-rich fringes of society, would do well to take heed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Nico

    True enough, but it was the Catholic Church that encouraged the mixing in the first place. Protestant America in the frontier period didn't mix with the natives very much, it pushed them aside.

    Having said that, trad Catholics seem to be relatively free of the Israel-mania that evangelicals have pretty universally adopted, with Christian Zionist, premillennial dispensationalists being the vast majority of televangelists and publishing empires in that world.

    Michael Scheuer's famous "I hope that Israel flourishes, I just don't think that Israel is worth ‘an American life or an American dollar’ " would be unthinkable for anyone in the professional evangelical arena to utter.

  118. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver
    @Anonymous

    Gee, that's too bad. When did you get out? If it was before the mid-90's, there were plenty of opportunities to get back in. I've beaten the tendency to get out too early; now my problem is I hold on too damn long, well past the point that the major run-up has been exhausted. Still, I like to think if I'd gotten into Sun in, say, 1995-97, I would have regarded the dot com hysteria as chance to get out quickly with what Peter Lynch used to call a ten-bagger.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Sadly, and my point was, I didn’t do it.

    I didn’t have the ten large and my father would have smacked me if I’d asked for a loan for it. I knew they would make money, because the combination of the cheap Motorola 68K microprocessor-a poor man’s PDP-11 on a chip for a few hundred dollars-and being able to license Unix for a few hundred a machine (I knew about Unix because I’d read Ted Nelson’s Dream Machines) meant they could undercut the full rack sized DEC and Data General machines by a factor of ten. I didn’t know they would make that kind of money, though. No one did.

    What killed the workstationeers was that the commodity PC got to be equally powerful and capable at a fraction of the price because of the nature of the semiconductor business. Silicon is cheap: developing the latest smallest generation of fabs and the parts they make is expensive. Even with the phenomenally powerful EDA tools now in use, developing a microprocessor at the current leading edge is a billion dollar business. Make a billion of them and that’s a buck apiece. Pentiums sold in the billions: SPARC and MIPS chips in the tens of thousands. (Low end versions in embedded work more than that, but there is no margin in that.)

    Plus which, free Unixlike OS meant that the considerable work they’d invested in making environments like Solaris and HP-UX work was of marginal value, and the commodity Microsoft OS became able to do more and more of what the Unix machines did. Almost all the expensive CAD and medical applications run on Windows now. Most Web servers run Linux, but the advantage in lower overhead and faster throughput over Windows is not an order of magnitude, it’s ten or twenty percent mostly.

    I remember when Sun almost bought Apple, a move that at the time I thought would have been a big win. Looking back, it wouldn’t, because no one at Sun could have done iOS or the devices using it. And that’s responsible for 90 percent of Apple now.

  119. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Nico
    @Anonymous


    Blacks, 85% plus or minus a few, vote for whoever they be told to by their Big Men, usually their preachers. Buy them off and they’ll have their charges vote for whoever has bought them.
     
    Whatever else one might say about Catholicism in Latin America, prior to Vatican II at any rate the tight vertical integration of the episcopal hierarchy enabled Rome to nip such nonsense in the bud fairly early on. Even after Vatican II this same structure arguably prevented the more explicit varieties of Liberation Theology from gaining the kind of clerical support they otherwise would have and helped ensure the relative brevity of their lifespans. There exists no such safeguard for checking the insanity of Protestant clergymen in most non-Anglican, non-Lutheran settings.

    At any rate it is clear that Catholic social integralism played an important role in preventing social strife in Central and South America from taking on a racial or identitarian character. Latin American elites who for several decades running have turned a blind eye at the American evangelicals spreading the Good News to their peoples, particularly on the lower and more melanin-rich fringes of society, would do well to take heed.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    True enough, but it was the Catholic Church that encouraged the mixing in the first place. Protestant America in the frontier period didn’t mix with the natives very much, it pushed them aside.

    Having said that, trad Catholics seem to be relatively free of the Israel-mania that evangelicals have pretty universally adopted, with Christian Zionist, premillennial dispensationalists being the vast majority of televangelists and publishing empires in that world.

    Michael Scheuer’s famous “I hope that Israel flourishes, I just don’t think that Israel is worth ‘an American life or an American dollar’ ” would be unthinkable for anyone in the professional evangelical arena to utter.

  120. True enough, but it was the Catholic Church that encouraged the mixing in the first place. Protestant America in the frontier period didn’t mix with the natives very much, it pushed them aside.

    If by mixing you mean miscegenation, I’m not sure the Catholic Church *encouraged* mixing directly though its parish and membership structure, when followed geographically for secular organization does offer a societal platform where mixing can occur and Church doctrine certainly won’t stand for any supernatural mandate against it.

    That said, north of the Rio Grande there weren’t enough natives that mixing would have made a noticeable difference. Otherwise you’d see a lot more visibly métis specimens in Roman Catholic Québec. I could be wrong, but the phenomenon of barely-registrable “First Nations” members with 7/8 or more white ancestry LARPing as indigenous rights activists seems to be more of an Anglo-Canadian phenomenon.

    But for the purposes I had in mind the comparison of the Deep South to Brazil is probably more instructive (the dynamics of white/black vs white/indigenous interactions probably deserves its own treatment).

    However, the more practically relevant question is whether black pastors really are responsible for this political machine ghettoization and what if anything can be done to break their hold. (NB: I’m *not* banking on a mass Catholicization of the American negro, much less America as a whole.)

  121. @whorefinder
    When the Left really wants to harry you, they send the blacks. One way or another.

    Or this could be an attempt by the Left to divert the anti-Trump blacks to a different bogeyman. Black congresswoman Maxine Waters has become the "in-peacher" in chief in Congress, and thinks she's the leader of the Resistance (bad wigs and all) to Trump and calling him a Russian plant, when really she's just beclowning herself nightly on corporate media.

    The Left has realized the Russia narrative is turning back on them and they need to bury it. Uppity blacks don't take orders well, so ordering Maxine to knock it off won't work. But like unruly, stupid children, distracting them with something shiny works. A good ol' shakedown of some Facebook Democrats is that shiny thing.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Maj. Kong, @Olorin, @Franz Liszt von Raiding

    No blacks take orders well, never mind uppity or not. Can’t shut up and show humility for a single(!) minute when National Anthem plays , can’t unite to form United States of Africa. Too much self interest, animalistic, immediate gratification, prone to chimp outs.

  122. @anonguy
    @AndrewR

    The Niihau incident likely had some bearing on the internment decision.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Oh, absolutely, but that incident has been memory holed so as to make the internment seem 100% without any reasonable basis. They don’t want people thinking “well, maybe the internment was the least bad of a lot of bad options, given what was known at the time.”

  123. @ic1000
    I can't tell if this is an Op-Ed or a news article. That's a subsidiary point, I suppose.

    Replies: @Nico, @Frau Katze

    It’s in the Politics section of the Times. They’ve given lots of coverage to the Russia thing.

    Looks like their efforts to connect Trump himself to the Russians has failed.

    I never really understood why the Russians would prefer Trump. He was a wild card, they had no way of knowing how he’d actually govern.

    Has anyone seen an example of such an ad? FB has said they’ve found them, but I haven’t seen an example.

  124. @Alden
    @Anonymous IV

    Asians vote solidly Democratic. The various activist Asian groups all endorse liberal measures on the ballot. Asian spokes critters all claim to favor affirmative action. They generally don't vote unto the 4th generation anyway.

    There is a fairly strong Chinese Republican group in California. But they are mostly from Taiwan and want Taiwan to keep its independent position instead of becoming an outright province of China. They are like the Cuban Americans. They donate to Republicans because Democrats love communist societies.

    The Japanese who were in the internment camps as adults and teens are mostly dead. What is left in Japanese who were in the camps as babies and toddlers. They really don't remember. And Japanese are a tiny tiny minority group because japan being peaceful and prosperous thanks to we American taxpayers all these years, sends no immigrants to America.

    Like Jews, Asians may live like aristocracy, but they vote Democratic when they bother to vote which is seldom.

    Replies: @Anonymous IV

    Thanks for the insights on Asian-Amer voting.

    The more I read about this, the more I’m inclined to think that whites will probably retain national political power even in minority status, because of the apathy of Hispanic and Asian voters. Of course the other issues remain. What of the white working class who can’t move away from “diverse” parts of the country? What of the increasing economic burden on the productive class of people to support all the charity cases from around the world?

  125. @whorefinder
    @Anonymous IV

    Not too long ago, in a prepared public speech, I heard an Asian federal judge in NYC describe the Japanese WW2 camps as "concentration camps."

    Let me emphasized that this was a prepared speech. And federal judges are very careful with their words, and traditionally eschew making overtly political statements.

    This judge knew what he was doing----he was deliberately comparing and conflating Nazi death camps with temporary Japanese relocation areas, where no one was gassed or exterminated.

    The more I thought about his "slip", the more it concerned me.

    Replies: @BB753, @Reg Cæsar, @Moses, @Karl

    Media always ignores the fact that German-Americans were also sent to camps. Numbers were far smaller than Japanese-Americans, but it did happen.

    Given all the instances of Chinese- and Jewish-Americans spying on the USA for their ancestral countries, doesn’t it kinda make sense though?

    We know that German-Americans had no issue going to war against Germany and killing Germans twice (“Eisenhower”). How many Chinese-Americans would take up arms against China and kill Chinese if there were a USA-China war? Same question for Jewish-Americans killing Israelis. I think it would be a problem.

    There is no such thing as a “proposition nation.” That’s just Cuck talk. Tribe matters.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Moses

    In 1942, the year after Joe DiMaggio cemented his status as the most popular athlete in America by hitting in 56 straight games, his San Francisco shrimp fisherman dad got grounded by the U.S. government for the Duration to prevent him from, uh, rendezvousing with Mussolini's invasion fleet lurking in the fog off the Golden Gate, or whatever it was the government was terrified by at the time (see Spielberg's movie "1941" for the tenor of the times). Joe's more intellectual brother Dom, a fine leadoff hitter for the Red Sox, used to bring it up late in life to point out that Italian-Americans got abused during WWII too.

  126. @Sunbeam
    @Clyde

    "Shake them down to do what? Hire more black female diversity commissars? Hire more hidden figures type coders?"

    Something that seems obvious to me is that Facebook (nor Google or Ebay) need to be US concerns to actually serve the US market.

    You literally could have the server farms and all the developers and behind the scenes guys in China.

    Ebay and Amazon actually have features that make it possible for them to compete with them on price.

    As for Google and Facebook they have inertia on their side right now. But Google is a lot easier to drop than Facebook. I've quit using it. Whether it works better than DuckDuck is besides the point. It's just that easy to use another search engine.

    Just saying that while it's been a good run, these Silicon Vally concerns might well find they aren't immune to having to have a cost effective workforce - as opposed to one that is cheap for the Zuck.

    Replies: @Clyde, @Karl

    37 Sunbeam > Google is a lot easier to drop than Facebook.

    …. Your great-grandparents didn’t even own a television, but they conquered the world in 1945.

    You are some pretty weak soup, shipmate.

  127. @whorefinder
    @Anonymous IV

    Not too long ago, in a prepared public speech, I heard an Asian federal judge in NYC describe the Japanese WW2 camps as "concentration camps."

    Let me emphasized that this was a prepared speech. And federal judges are very careful with their words, and traditionally eschew making overtly political statements.

    This judge knew what he was doing----he was deliberately comparing and conflating Nazi death camps with temporary Japanese relocation areas, where no one was gassed or exterminated.

    The more I thought about his "slip", the more it concerned me.

    Replies: @BB753, @Reg Cæsar, @Moses, @Karl

    69 whorefinder > with temporary Japanese relocation areas

    “temporary” – were any of them ever permanently “re-settled”?

    Now I have to use google again.

  128. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    @J1234

    How many gentiles are on the board?"

    Replies: @Karl

    96 Ris Eruwaedhiel > How many gentiles are on the board?

    As many as the voting stockholders thought advisable.

  129. @Moses
    @whorefinder

    Media always ignores the fact that German-Americans were also sent to camps. Numbers were far smaller than Japanese-Americans, but it did happen.

    Given all the instances of Chinese- and Jewish-Americans spying on the USA for their ancestral countries, doesn't it kinda make sense though?

    We know that German-Americans had no issue going to war against Germany and killing Germans twice ("Eisenhower"). How many Chinese-Americans would take up arms against China and kill Chinese if there were a USA-China war? Same question for Jewish-Americans killing Israelis. I think it would be a problem.

    There is no such thing as a "proposition nation." That's just Cuck talk. Tribe matters.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    In 1942, the year after Joe DiMaggio cemented his status as the most popular athlete in America by hitting in 56 straight games, his San Francisco shrimp fisherman dad got grounded by the U.S. government for the Duration to prevent him from, uh, rendezvousing with Mussolini’s invasion fleet lurking in the fog off the Golden Gate, or whatever it was the government was terrified by at the time (see Spielberg’s movie “1941” for the tenor of the times). Joe’s more intellectual brother Dom, a fine leadoff hitter for the Red Sox, used to bring it up late in life to point out that Italian-Americans got abused during WWII too.

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