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How dare the federal government ask you whether you are a “citizen” or not instead of just sticking to the essentials, such as demanding you tell them whether you are Hispanic or non-Hispanic?

 
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  1. J.Ross says: • Website

    How do we ever lose even one time to these people?
    Oh, right, because they keep as much as possible out of contest, in academia, unelected bureaucracy, billionaire mouthpiece foundations and quangos, closely proctored social media, and the mighty wurlitzer.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @ben tillman
    , @AnotherDad
  2. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    Gorsuch or Roberts better not cucked again.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @Ed
  3. Semi On Topic:

    SWPL globohomo humanoids befuddled the local character of Barcelona is being ruined by endless visits from their fellow SWPL globohomo humanoids:

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/29/the-airbnb-invasion-of-barcelona

    Oh, the humanity!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  4. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    Not baffling in Tel Aviv. Only in America.

    Wonder why.

    • Replies: @BigDickNick
  5. If illegal aliens get to pick and choose which questions Uncle Sam asks them, the rest of us should too. If I want to tell them I live on the roof of the Notre Dame cathedral, I should have that option.

  6. If illegal aliens get to pick and choose which questions Uncle Sam asks them, the rest of us should too. If I want to tell census takers I live on the roof of the Notre Dame cathedral, I should have that option.

  7. newrouter says:

    Like asking for ID when voting?

  8. Listened to an NPR report on the Census and the citizenship question. So effing biased, but shame on me for giving them air time. Best questions by the Justices…”How do you know that the Citizenship question is the reason people won’t respond? It is a long form with many questions and are you aware that the UN supports asking about citizenship on census forms.” Paraphrasing here.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  9. Semi Off/On Topic:

    Alleged systematic discrimination against women at Kay and other jewelry stores:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/magazine/kay-jewelry-sexual-harassment.html

    Hard to feel a lot of sympathy when one is watching this country’s defense industry being given away to completely unqualified cupcakes and minorities.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  10. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anon

    ANON[204]:

    Due to his mixed record, I’m not sure whether Roberts will cuck. But I am sure that Gorsuck will not as he’s a living example of “don’t get mad, get even” due to the way his mother was politically mistreated!

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  11. Svigor says:

    Both the government and the challengers agree that adding the question would reduce the census response rate, especially in immigrant communities.

    And fewer criminal alien non-citizens voting in our elections and being used to give sanctuary states more electoral votes would be very, very bad.

    How dare the federal government ask you whether you are a “citizen” or not instead of just sticking to the essentials, such as demanding you tell them whether you are Hispanic or non-Hispanic?

    But they know better than to ask about Jewishness – said deference being the important thing, in this context.

  12. newrouter says:

    >JUSTICE GINSBURG: Mr. Letter, the Congress has the primary control over what the census will be, not the executive, and Congress has been alerted to this citizenship question for some time, and it has done nothing about it. So one question is who should decide? Congress is silent. Should the Court then step in? [Tr. 81-82]<

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/04/concensus-supreme-court-looks-likely-to-uphold-census-citizenship-question/#more-280939

    imho A policy decision between the Executive and the Legislature should not be decided by the courts Ruthy.

  13. @The Wild Geese Howard

    the local character of Barcelona

    Barcelona is reminiscent of Paris and Washington, DC, in that there are miles and miles of buildings exactly the same height. That suggests a) there is a legal height limit, and b) the land below is popular, thus every cubic foot is put to use.

    Of course, there are exceptions for the privileged:

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  14. Adrian E. says:

    This would be unimaginable in most European countries. Generally, there are population registries, and, of course, citizenship status belongs to the basic data that are always maintained. Official statistics, surveys, and censuses in European countries can differ as to which categories are present, but citizenship status (like probably age and sex) is always present.

    France has restrictions about statistics based on race and ethnicity, but the idea that there could be such restrictions on information about citizenship status would seem odd to people everywhere in Europe and probably around the world.

  15. @The Wild Geese Howard

    A large fraction of news articles these days consist of women complaining about their jobs.

    • LOL: Hail
  16. J.Ross says: • Website
    @Adrian E.

    It should be unimaginable here. Imagine an admiral being asked how many ships were under his command and not getting an admission of ignorance but a lecture on how that doesn’t matter. NPR had a quote from a guy — I didn’t hear the proper segment, they made his quip into a bumper and implied he was a law professor — who actually said, “the Constitution says that all of us, citizen and not, are a family.” Of all the ideas that have been falsely imputed to the Constitution, I am absolutely certain that the slave-owning propertied speakers of Greek wouldn’t have included that. However, it’s still a perfect quote. It is exactly the thesis of the infantilized “refugee”-rescuing globalists.
    And what of the significance of citizens proper being taxable to making budgets for the future? What about it? We’re a family, we’ll manage.

  17. Or just turn my 1992 paper “A Net Asset Tax Based On The Net Present Value Calculation and Market Democracy into a political party that brings populists on the left and right, together with Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and their enthusiasm for space settlement. Jeff Bezos for an asset tax? You’ll have to realize that I was not only the guy who testified before Congress on behalf of the coalition that privatized launch services, but was the Space Studies Institute local support team leader promoting O’Neill space colonies in the Miami area when Jeff gave his valedictorian speech on O’Neill space colonies. He’ll see the policy in that paper (removing all taxes on economic activity and permitting him to stake resource claims in space) as a vastly greater opportunity than the Internet in 1995.

    On the other hand, if you’d like to solve Steve’s problem of continually being ahead of the game in social science (sometimes astoundingly so), you have to first recognize that the only reason a guy like Steve can beat them with one hand tied behind his back while begging us all for money is that the field is beset by social pseudoscience. Then you’ll realize that supporting Ockham’s Guillotine by way of “The 30th”, you’ll relieve Steve of the burden of being a prophet in his own country by nuking the social pseudosciences — thereby permitting the social sciences to take advantage of big data, Moore’s Law and explosive advances in artificial general intelligence. Don’t think this will deprive Steve of support, though. As the Holy Heads Lop, the buckets receive and the crowds roar, there will be ample grist for Steve’s mill here at Unz.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  18. @Steve Sailer

    Maybe they’re trying to tell us (and more to the point the people who pushed them into the full time plus workforce) something.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  19. Citizenship is not baffling to the Social Justice Jihadis. It enrages them.

    Their fellow citizens who are not SJJs have all the citizenship they do, and therein lies the problem.

    • Replies: @eah
  20. goatweed says:

    Will this lead to passing out House seats based on Citizens in a state?

  21. Mr. Anon says:

    In 2010, the Census Bureau issued vague threats to anyone not answering all the questions on their Census forms (beyond mere enumeration, none is Constitutionally mandated). But now, if you’re an illegal alien you get to pick and choose which questions you answer.

  22. @Buffalo Joe

    Seemingly more intrusive would be the census question about who in your household is gay, and who’s banging whom?

    Well, they don’t phrase it that way exactly. But they do ask which of the residents is one of your non-married same-sex partners.

  23. @James Bowery

    was the Space Studies Institute local support team leader promoting O’Neill space colonies

    L5 in ’95! Only now it’s 2095, if we’re lucky.

  24. @Adrian E.

    This would be unimaginable in most European countries. Generally, there are population registries, and, of course, citizenship status belongs to the basic data that are always maintained.

    The federal government has an unimaginable amount of data on its subjects. Just think of all of the data you have to provide them on your tax forms. That doesn’t even count all the shit they keep on you based on your internet and calling habits.

    But the point is to pretend that they don’t have all this information and that they have no right to it, especially not something as basic as a registry of those holding U.S. citizenship.

    How dare they keep a record of that? It much more fundamentally important to their job for them to keep track of all your Facebook friends and Instagram posts.

  25. @Adrian E.

    Its all politics of course. The current Democrat talking point is that the question will deter illegals from completing the form, leading to an undercount.

    But a bigger reason is that the Supreme Court has left open the question of whether illegals must be counted when apportioning Congressional districts.

    If the court eventually decides they may be excluded, then an apportionment based soley on the legal population — as revealed in the 2020 census — could redistribute a bunch of districts from blue to red states.

    • Replies: @IHTG
  26. Lot says:
    @J.Ross

    J Ross you are part of the very problem you complain about.

    See these guys?

    They make $13 an hour and have a good attitude about it, namely a sort of unquestioning obedience and acceptance of the rule of billionaires. You say you’re a smart guy better suited for indoor work? Well why can’t you be more like those nice libertarian guys who understand the importance of free markets and open borders?

  27. eah says:

    Concept of Citizenism

    It’s baffling to me.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  28. eah says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    He said/wrote citizenism™, not citizenship.

  29. IHTG says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Texas would also lose House seats in such a scenario.

  30. Ed says:
    @Anon

    Money is on Roberts, he appears to be moved by intense media criticism. We shall see.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  31. @Reg Cæsar

    Erm, the AirBnB complainers in Barça were annoyed that the SWPLs were coming to Barça and carrying on like SWPLs instead of living authentically like local washer women or street sweepers.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  32. @Steve Sailer

    Indeed.

    The repeated allegations of, “…hot tub orgies…” sounded like something straight from Penthouse Forum.

    I also like how the NYT casually tossed out the names of multiple male managers without a shred of actual evidence. Isn’t that grounds for libel?

  33. @eah

    Possession is 9/10 of the law. If the 1/10th can manage enough oomph to overcome that disadvantage then they get to be a nation unto themselves. Paperwork, ideas, sentiment, etc… have nothing to do with it. It’s who has a chair when the music stops.

  34. @eah

    Citizenism is just treating citizenship as something of value that should be defended.

  35. @J.Ross

    You left out the mass communications media, which is far and away the biggest culprit.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  36. @Anon

    because you never had an identity, goyim. You’re an invented people who never existed. no one on earth is more meaningfully spanish, british or american than anyone else. Poland has always been a nation of immigrants.

  37. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Erm, the AirBnB complainers in Barça were annoyed that the SWPLs were coming to Barça and carrying on like SWPLs instead of living authentically like local washer women or street sweepers.

    That’s worse than rude drunken Brits vomiting on the streets?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  38. @eah

    Yes, he did. And the problem they have with citizenship is that our current citizens have it, and it’s worth something.

    • Replies: @eah
  39. MikeJa says:

    If I were an illegal alien who didn’t trust the census, I wouldn’t answer q’s about my household regardless of whether they asked about my (non)citizenship

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  40. @Reg Cæsar

    To a certain perspective, yes.

    The problem you describe seems more common in Majorca, specifically Magaluf.

  41. J.Ross says: • Website
    @MikeJa

    This is a brilliant point, they are always nattering on about entitlements and benefits and necessary medical care left on the table out of fear of enforced law, but the same fugitives will come to the door and answer questions for the federal government?

  42. eah says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    …our current citizens have it, and it’s worth something.

    Really? — what is it worth, exactly? — what scarcity or exclusivity value does American citizenship have nowadays? — I’ll make the same suggestion I’ve made before: take a trip abroad, and when you return, observe who’s around you in the immigration control line for ‘American Citizens, Green Card Holders, and Immigrant Visa Holders’ — then answer the question above.

    Or follow the news about ‘catch and release’ — which is a lot more ‘release’ than ‘catch’ — the vast majority of those people will never show up for a hearing, will stay, and will eventually become citizens.

    ‘I Did It’: San Diego Mother Who Can’t Read or Write Earns US Citizenship

    She doesn’t speak a word of English either, despite living in the US for 20 years — and now her vote counts as much as yours — there are literally millions of similar cases (investigate how many languages CA ballots are printed in), if not tens of millions around the country.

    In fact, the Establishment has been working overtime for decades, doing literally everything they can think of to cheapen the value of US citizenship — and they make you pay for it.

    Nonsensical boomer mindsets like yours are at the heart of the problem.

    • Replies: @eah
  43. @J.Ross

    Oh, right, because they keep as much as possible out of contest, in academia, unelected bureaucracy, billionaire mouthpiece foundations and quangos, closely proctored social media, and the mighty wurlitzer.

    Because the elite we have now basically does not believe in republican rule.

    During my lifetime we’ve transitioned from being a republic–with the usual bureaucracy, rent-seeking, etc. etc.–to elite rule through all the institutions you note, but especially the courts enforcing elite diktat. You can elect a President but even on questions which are clearly in his constitutional purview, and often with black letter law, courts routinely and blithely say “You can’t do that. We don’t like it.”

    It’s a mystery to me–and probably to a lot more people–why these people think i owe them the slightest bit of obedience. Basically we’re in the same situation, same sort of tyranny–only more intrusive–as documented and denounced in the Declaration. Of course, why they mostly get obedience from me is simple–they have the guys with guns.

  44. @Desiderius

    Maybe they’re trying to tell us (and more to the point the people who pushed them into the full time plus workforce) something.

    Des, you beat me to it.

    Everyone is going to find some aspects of their job annoying–human nature.

    But maybe women are designed for something else beyond sitting clattering at a keyboard or serving strangers. And they just don’t find those things …<i fufilling … uping the annoyance level.

  45. eah says:
    @eah

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