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Screen Shot 2017-12-21 at 6.33.57 PMFrom KCBS:

Compton Is LA’s Hot New Housing Market
December 19, 2017 at 11:02 pm

COMPTON (CBSLA) — L.A.’s newest housing hotspot is Compton. That’s where homes not too far from the beach are going for less than $400,000.

As KCAL9/CBS2’s Crystal Cruz reports, Compton is the new trendy city to make a buy.

“We walk every night to the park, bread store or look at Christmas lights. That’s a pretty one,” said broker Julio Ruiz.

Added Ruiz: “Now you have a Target, Best Buy. It’s like living in Porter Ranch now as far as services come.”

Cruz walked with Ruiz and his family around his street at night.

“You guys feel safe walking for tacos?,” said Cruz.

“Yeah. Don’t you?,” answered Ruiz with laughter. …

“I’m not gonna be the guy that says ‘man I remember Compton was bad. Everything was so cheap. I should’ve bought then.’ Right now is the time to do it,” said Ruiz.

Ruiz’s kids go to private school. He says because he doesn’t have a huge mortgage he’s able to spend money on his kids’ education.

A couple of Presidents of the United States have lived in Compton.

 
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  1. I can’t wait for the historic preservationists to insist Compton houses keep the burglar bars and spiked fences.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    Even the Latinos ate mostly chill. Get rid of blacks or say the 50-60% of them who cause trouble or bring their troublemaker relations or buddies around and everything becomes peaceful.

    I stayed this summer in LA at 2 different hostels. One in Korea Town and one down in a Latino area of Pico Union.

    I ate at a Latino bakery and shopped at Latino dollar stores and corner stores. Most Latinos and Mexicans are just working class types.

    Now that Compton is ~70% Latino and 5-10% white and Asian it's all calmed down unlike say New Orleans where I'm from.

    And think about it for a second....ALL THE GOOD REAL ESTATE IS TAKEN ALREADY in Los Angeles.

    Look at a map and there's 1 last non developed and non gentrified place left in LA.

    There's South Central and there's Compton/Inglewood etc

    I stayed at the Sheraton in LA by the airport in 2012 and I walked and shopped at that Ralph's and the In & Out Burger off Sepulvada.

    Saw a few homeless black men and 2-3 black women who looked like they worked in the area....that's it....

    Think about it though....you're a real estate developer and you know if you can get the blacks out you can increase the value of the land in S Central and Compton by say at least 3-5x

    , @stillCARealist
    In Philadelphia that stuff would be considered racist.
    , @Colleen Pater
    someone should make one of those youtube videos with some rap song about taking back compton and put bushes heads on the thugs bodies and make their bushes mouth the rap lyrics about gentrifying your shit wid muh oil money mtrfkr taking back da hood for the bloods but these bloods is blue da origninal Gs
  2. It’s the one silver lining if we lose the fight on immigration: watching blacks get ethnically cleansed from their old neighborhoods and brutalized into submission by Hispanic and Muslim gangs.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @fred c dobbs
    very true. I'm waiting for Sailer to roll down the 110 to the 105 and pitch camp. LOL. Pioneering and all that. I don't mind some flavah in my neighborhood (Hell I grew up in Oxnard)......but Compton is a bridge too far.

    Best line: "It’s like living in Porter Ranch.....".

    Heck.....even better....... only 20 minutes to Redondo! (and no SoCalGas leaks) LOL
    , @epebble
    Hispanics, yes; Muslims - No; the wounds of San Bernardino are still fresh.
    , @rogue-one
    Not if the African population explosion ends up sending more of the black folk in the US.
    , @MBlanc46
    And watching the Leftists go nuts as one of their beloved people of color goes all racist on another of their beloved people of color.
  3. “straight outta of Compton” vs “As Time Goes By”

  4. Just shows how great things are without blacks.
    NOTE:Some fine lady newscasters out in Cali. Yeah I’m talkin’ to you Crystal Cruz.

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
    "Crystal Cruz" has got to be THE most California name ever.
  5. Alas, the presidential apartment building in Compton, home of the 20-something George H.W. Bush and the toddler George W. Bush for a short period in the late 1940’s, was demolished many years ago.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    First Compton, then maybe Inglewood. Decades ago people saw promise in suburbs close enough to LA, jobs, beaches and sunsets. Many of those features continued even as the denizens changed. Location still matters even when degraded for some years, as value and scarcity and opportunity intersect. That isn't the popular intersectionality but is more lasting.
  6. “A couple of Presidents of the United States have lived in Compton.”

    You mean Nixon? Tell us more..

  7. Blacks drive out whites with random street crime. But Hispanics form posses for self defense so they can colonize black neighborhoods.

    Whites have much more money than Hispanics so they can colonize Hispanic neighborhoods once the blacks have been driven out.

    Blacks have Section 8 and blockbusting to colonize white neighborhoods once the Hispanics have been driven out.

    Rock. Paper. Scissors.

    And the real estate brokers make all the money on the new Triangular Trade.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @istevefan

    Blacks have Section 8 and blockbusting to colonize white neighborhoods once the Hispanics have been driven out.
     
    Which is why blacks will always vote for the party of government. It's why they continue to vote in ridiculous, unheard of percentages for one party.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Rock. Paper. Scissors. That was a good one, (((Owen)))!

    Yes the middle men, usually women, love this stuff, the churn. Real estate agents don't make so much money in stable neighborhoods. What bugs me more than that, though, is that everything is a home. Yes, that word covers condo too, I guess, but this has been the real estate ladies' thing for a while now. The word home has good emotions attatched to it. "It's a three-bedroom, one bathroom, home." WTF, just say house, as that's what it is.

    OK, I just watched the video on the recommendation of Father O'Hara, so ....
    , @MBlanc46
    “Triangular Trade”. Brilliant.
  8. @whorefinder
    It's the one silver lining if we lose the fight on immigration: watching blacks get ethnically cleansed from their old neighborhoods and brutalized into submission by Hispanic and Muslim gangs.

    very true. I’m waiting for Sailer to roll down the 110 to the 105 and pitch camp. LOL. Pioneering and all that. I don’t mind some flavah in my neighborhood (Hell I grew up in Oxnard)……but Compton is a bridge too far.

    Best line: “It’s like living in Porter Ranch…..”.

    Heck…..even better……. only 20 minutes to Redondo! (and no SoCalGas leaks) LOL

  9. The flight of African Americans from California has certainly been an interesting episode that the media has glossed over. In what perhaps best shows the stagnation of US society, Life Expectancy fell in 2016 for a 2nd year in a row for the first time since 1962 and 1963. LE in the US is now at the same level it was in 2010, the US is approaching a lost decade in terms of LE, the only parallel to this experience in more developed nations is the stagnation which occurred in LE in the USSR in the 1970’s and 1980’s.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/americas-heroin-epidemic/u-s-life-expectancy-falls-second-straight-year-drug-overdoses-n831676

  10. OT, but here is a thought on the ongoing Reckoning.

    Seems obvious that Viagra and other ED “medicines” (I think of them as recreational stimulants for the most part, healthy living goes a long, long way towards retaining sexual function in men), are part of the problem. In the old days, guys libidos, or the ability to act upon them, waned as they aged and acquired power, which had the salutary effect of increasing their ability to wield power over women without sexual exploitation, a social evil in any society.

    Geez, ya think that might even be a feature, not a bug, just as female menopause is a feature, not a bug.

    Anyhow, allowing societies leaders to drug themselves into a 20 something stud creates a lot of imbalances that human societies have not evolved for.

    That is one contributing factor.

    The other one is that modern medicine and more attention to fitness/health in general is keeping people vigorous into much later years. When I was a kid, it was extremely unusual that public figures were still lions of their industries/profession in their 70s, you were superannuated at that birthday for sure.

    Just the fact of the ages of the candidates in the last presidential election highlights this.

    So more of our leaders are these old guys as well, potential consumers of Viagra.

    I think it is a toxic combination and if you look at it from the outside, our modern society must look a lot like a bunch of ancient boomers still fighting over the same stuff they have been for decades with no end in sight.

    And sexually exploiting the next generation with all this new found health and Viagra rather than moving out of the way for the next generation.

    No wonder the Millenials despise Boomers. It is an ugly picture.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    I wouldn't exactly think of Harvey Weinstein (or DJT/HRC) as the picture of health.
    , @MBlanc46
    A lot of us Boomers aren’t entirely thrilled with the Millennials, either.
  11. @prosa123
    Alas, the presidential apartment building in Compton, home of the 20-something George H.W. Bush and the toddler George W. Bush for a short period in the late 1940's, was demolished many years ago.

    First Compton, then maybe Inglewood. Decades ago people saw promise in suburbs close enough to LA, jobs, beaches and sunsets. Many of those features continued even as the denizens changed. Location still matters even when degraded for some years, as value and scarcity and opportunity intersect. That isn’t the popular intersectionality but is more lasting.

    • Replies: @cynthia curran
    Yeah, but I hate this from Steve, there are lots of nice burbs in LA like Santa Clarita or south Orange county. Why doesn't he get out of having whites moved back to Compton which in some respects is worst than Santa Ana.
  12. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, I don’t hear any Mexican Xmas carols on the radio. Lots of socal Spanish lingo stations but I don’t detect much holiday music programming. Sounds like the usual German style oompa oompa stuff with the squeezebox. Not hearing much yuletide lyrics. Not hearing even the same carols we sing with espanol lyrics.

    Wassup?

    • Replies: @Laugh Track

    Not hearing much yuletide lyrics. Not hearing even the same carols we sing with espanol lyrics.

    Wassup?
     

    The Attack on Christmas!
    , @LondonBob
    Why don't Americans have Christmas carols? You just seem to have all those ghastly rocking around the Christmas tree, white Christmas, jingle bells etc. None of the Once in Royal David's City, Good King Wenclesas. Rudolf and Elves are nice but really they are supporting cast, not the main actors.

    I would make an exception for the Pogues' Fairytale of New York.

    , @Stan Adams
    Not even Feliz Navidad?

    A couple of years ago, I spent Christmas Eve afternoon hanging out near an old-school music store in a rundown shopping arcade in downtown Miami. This song seemed to play about once an hour:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZawyTem9m4

    The last time I walked by that store, it was going out of business.
  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Another example of tragic-to-magic is the new breed of Mex-Am woman you see in upscale OC and SD counties: these girls are tall with long limbs and pale skin, dark eyes, black hair (as in Spain).

    But they speak American English.

    They must be offspring of wealthy Mexicans who fled the narco chaos beginning in the 90’s. They are not mestizo. Their skin color is frequently very pale but has no red or gold hue like northern euros. Instead it is very pale with slight olive hue.

    You are looking at the ancient Moorish bloodline when you see those dark eyes. In the ladies it is sultry. In the men it just means low trust society, end of transparency, start of corrupt-ass backward culture.

  14. @Anonymous
    Steve, I don't hear any Mexican Xmas carols on the radio. Lots of socal Spanish lingo stations but I don't detect much holiday music programming. Sounds like the usual German style oompa oompa stuff with the squeezebox. Not hearing much yuletide lyrics. Not hearing even the same carols we sing with espanol lyrics.

    Wassup?

    Not hearing much yuletide lyrics. Not hearing even the same carols we sing with espanol lyrics.

    Wassup?

    The Attack on Christmas!

  15. @Thomas
    I can’t wait for the historic preservationists to insist Compton houses keep the burglar bars and spiked fences.

    Even the Latinos ate mostly chill. Get rid of blacks or say the 50-60% of them who cause trouble or bring their troublemaker relations or buddies around and everything becomes peaceful.

    I stayed this summer in LA at 2 different hostels. One in Korea Town and one down in a Latino area of Pico Union.

    I ate at a Latino bakery and shopped at Latino dollar stores and corner stores. Most Latinos and Mexicans are just working class types.

    Now that Compton is ~70% Latino and 5-10% white and Asian it’s all calmed down unlike say New Orleans where I’m from.

    And think about it for a second….ALL THE GOOD REAL ESTATE IS TAKEN ALREADY in Los Angeles.

    Look at a map and there’s 1 last non developed and non gentrified place left in LA.

    There’s South Central and there’s Compton/Inglewood etc

    I stayed at the Sheraton in LA by the airport in 2012 and I walked and shopped at that Ralph’s and the In & Out Burger off Sepulvada.

    Saw a few homeless black men and 2-3 black women who looked like they worked in the area….that’s it….

    Think about it though….you’re a real estate developer and you know if you can get the blacks out you can increase the value of the land in S Central and Compton by say at least 3-5x

    • Replies: @prosa123
    It is my impression - and just my impression - that while Hispanics may have a relatively high crime rate, especially gang related, by and large they do not prey on outsiders. If you find yourself in a largely Hispanic area for some reason you probably won't be in much physical danger.
  16. @anonguy
    OT, but here is a thought on the ongoing Reckoning.

    Seems obvious that Viagra and other ED "medicines" (I think of them as recreational stimulants for the most part, healthy living goes a long, long way towards retaining sexual function in men), are part of the problem. In the old days, guys libidos, or the ability to act upon them, waned as they aged and acquired power, which had the salutary effect of increasing their ability to wield power over women without sexual exploitation, a social evil in any society.

    Geez, ya think that might even be a feature, not a bug, just as female menopause is a feature, not a bug.

    Anyhow, allowing societies leaders to drug themselves into a 20 something stud creates a lot of imbalances that human societies have not evolved for.

    That is one contributing factor.

    The other one is that modern medicine and more attention to fitness/health in general is keeping people vigorous into much later years. When I was a kid, it was extremely unusual that public figures were still lions of their industries/profession in their 70s, you were superannuated at that birthday for sure.

    Just the fact of the ages of the candidates in the last presidential election highlights this.

    So more of our leaders are these old guys as well, potential consumers of Viagra.

    I think it is a toxic combination and if you look at it from the outside, our modern society must look a lot like a bunch of ancient boomers still fighting over the same stuff they have been for decades with no end in sight.

    And sexually exploiting the next generation with all this new found health and Viagra rather than moving out of the way for the next generation.

    No wonder the Millenials despise Boomers. It is an ugly picture.

    I wouldn’t exactly think of Harvey Weinstein (or DJT/HRC) as the picture of health.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    I wouldn’t exactly think of Harvey Weinstein (or DJT/HRC) as the picture of health.
     
    Sure, but compare him to what he would have been at his age, given his life/dissipation, say 50 years ago were he even to able to have made it to that age back then. Among other things, he's had gastric band surgery, who knows what else has helped keep him alive and kicking, whether anti-cholesterol stuff, etc.
  17. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    OT: The Trump executive order today. “Executive Order Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption.”

    I call this the Hillary Clinton Law. It’s very interesting.

    This means Trump cause seize the US holdings of any foreign country (since a lot of them are legitimately corrupt) that tries to donate to the Democrats using ‘foundation donations’ like the Clinton Foundation. Any foreign cash coming in for Democratic candidates can be immediately grabbed. The Dems are going to be hard up for 2020 funding unless their domestic millionaires can cover the shortfall, but some Hillary donors are still ticked off that they threw money away on a losing Democratic cause, and they may not give so much any more.

    Combined with the fact that blue staters can’t deduct so much property tax, ‘small Democratic’ donors may not have much cash they can spare to give to their candidates.

    • Replies: @anonguy

    OT: The Trump executive order today. “Executive Order Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption.”

    I call this the Hillary Clinton Law. It’s very interesting.

     

    Good catch and wow on that.

    Ya think maybe Trump just plays a boob in public and goes about his agenda rather sub rosa? Deflection, anyone?

    Anyone notice how the losers of the last election are being hoist by their own petards? First the sexual harassment stuff, now the collusion investigation is turning 180 to which the above is being added.

    , @MBlanc46
    Starve the beast?
  18. @snorlax
    I wouldn't exactly think of Harvey Weinstein (or DJT/HRC) as the picture of health.

    I wouldn’t exactly think of Harvey Weinstein (or DJT/HRC) as the picture of health.

    Sure, but compare him to what he would have been at his age, given his life/dissipation, say 50 years ago were he even to able to have made it to that age back then. Among other things, he’s had gastric band surgery, who knows what else has helped keep him alive and kicking, whether anti-cholesterol stuff, etc.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    True.
  19. Ha, ha, ha… *Exactly* the same thing happened in East Palo Alto, right next door to me.

    Back 25 years ago, EPA had the *highest* per capita murder rate in the entire U.S., and given the occasional spill-over effect, it might really have wrecked Palo Alto and Menlo Park, perhaps even altering the entire course of Silicon Valley history.

    But for some totally mysterious reason, all these problems gradually disappeared over the last couple of decades. Now EPA has great new regional shopping centers, a Four Seasons hotel, and lots of top-quality office buildings. Mark Zuckerberg lives about 100 yards from the EPA border, and the huge new Menlo Park Facebook complex is pretty close to EPA.

    This year almost became the first in many decades without a single EPA homicide, but a few days ago a couple of elderly white lesbians died in a murder-suicide.

    But EPA is still something like 90% “NAM” so this whole fortuitous situation really is quite mysterious….

    • LOL: (((Owen))), bomag
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Ron,

    "some totally mysterious reason"

    "this whole fortuitous situation is quite mysterious..."

    Time to polish off my crystal ball to discern these mysteriouses.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    But for some totally mysterious reason, all these problems gradually disappeared over the last couple of decades. Now EPA has great new regional shopping centers, a Four Seasons hotel …
     
    Nice!

    So are you hanging at the malls and mackin’ Roy Moore style on the Fred Reed-lauded “alarmingly attractive” Mexican girls? Come on Ron give us the deets, yo!

    But seriously, back in that thread you offered a riddle (#244), hinted at a revelatory answer, and never came back to the comments to explain.

    Will you now answer, or will the Silicon Sphinx stay silently puckered?
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    30 years back we met an ER nurse in Half Moon Bay who told us hair raising stories of East Palo Alto, the gang torture victims she'd treated , "the police wait for the gunfire to stop before they'll go in", gangs with names like "Black Johnson Family" and others.

    If the population's not changed, then what has happened ? CCTV everywhere?

    , @Father O'Hara
    The gangsters must've gone somewhere. I wonder where? Malibu?
    , @Old Palo Altan
    Sixty years ago East Palo Alto impinged in no way upon Palo Alto proper. We kids were told to stay away from it (which, practically speaking, meant not clambering up out of San Francisquito Creek on the wrong side), while those who lived in it knew that they had no place in our world. This is the big difference, ruined by the "civil rights" movement of a decade later: blacks knew their place and kept to it very carefully. I never even saw a black person during the years we lived there; at least, I never noticed one, which amounts to the same thing, as far as quality of life is concerned.

    Their increasing scarcity nowadays is to be welcomed; their increasing replacement by Latinos, though, perhaps less so.

  20. @Anon
    OT: The Trump executive order today. "Executive Order Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption."

    I call this the Hillary Clinton Law. It's very interesting.

    This means Trump cause seize the US holdings of any foreign country (since a lot of them are legitimately corrupt) that tries to donate to the Democrats using 'foundation donations' like the Clinton Foundation. Any foreign cash coming in for Democratic candidates can be immediately grabbed. The Dems are going to be hard up for 2020 funding unless their domestic millionaires can cover the shortfall, but some Hillary donors are still ticked off that they threw money away on a losing Democratic cause, and they may not give so much any more.

    Combined with the fact that blue staters can't deduct so much property tax, 'small Democratic' donors may not have much cash they can spare to give to their candidates.

    OT: The Trump executive order today. “Executive Order Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption.”

    I call this the Hillary Clinton Law. It’s very interesting.

    Good catch and wow on that.

    Ya think maybe Trump just plays a boob in public and goes about his agenda rather sub rosa? Deflection, anyone?

    Anyone notice how the losers of the last election are being hoist by their own petards? First the sexual harassment stuff, now the collusion investigation is turning 180 to which the above is being added.

  21. @Neoconned
    Even the Latinos ate mostly chill. Get rid of blacks or say the 50-60% of them who cause trouble or bring their troublemaker relations or buddies around and everything becomes peaceful.

    I stayed this summer in LA at 2 different hostels. One in Korea Town and one down in a Latino area of Pico Union.

    I ate at a Latino bakery and shopped at Latino dollar stores and corner stores. Most Latinos and Mexicans are just working class types.

    Now that Compton is ~70% Latino and 5-10% white and Asian it's all calmed down unlike say New Orleans where I'm from.

    And think about it for a second....ALL THE GOOD REAL ESTATE IS TAKEN ALREADY in Los Angeles.

    Look at a map and there's 1 last non developed and non gentrified place left in LA.

    There's South Central and there's Compton/Inglewood etc

    I stayed at the Sheraton in LA by the airport in 2012 and I walked and shopped at that Ralph's and the In & Out Burger off Sepulvada.

    Saw a few homeless black men and 2-3 black women who looked like they worked in the area....that's it....

    Think about it though....you're a real estate developer and you know if you can get the blacks out you can increase the value of the land in S Central and Compton by say at least 3-5x

    It is my impression – and just my impression – that while Hispanics may have a relatively high crime rate, especially gang related, by and large they do not prey on outsiders. If you find yourself in a largely Hispanic area for some reason you probably won’t be in much physical danger.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    prosa123:

    It may be apocryphal but in NYC environs the Mexicans have a reputation of engaging in gang warfare only in the evenings and weekends since they're otherwise at work!
    , @Neoconned
    I am a large white dude. 6'1 and probably 250....but several times I asked Hispanic or Asian people.....some VERY SMALL for directions and they were incredibly polite. I have southern manners to a degree but even then I get the same impression....

    Stay out of their beefs and ur good.
    , @whorefinder

    It is my impression – and just my impression – that while Hispanics may have a relatively high crime rate, especially gang related, by and large they do not prey on outsiders. If you find yourself in a largely Hispanic area for some reason you probably won’t be in much physical danger.
     
    Having lived in a heavily-Hispanic, run-down area of NYC, I can semi-confirm this feeling.

    There is a different between a "poor" neighborhood and a "ghetto" neighborhood. A poor neighborhood is one where the people work or try to work, don't make much money, and their kids will have moved up and out when they get to be adults. At night the neighborhood looks abandoned because 99% of the populace is asleep.It's not fun to live there but if you keep your head down and not start trouble none will come to you.

    A ghetto area is one where people will be there generation after generation because no one is trying to get out and no one knows who their father is. At night the neighborhood looks dangerous because scores of people are milling about with nothing to do and don't have to look for work in the morning and who want to start trouble. You can't afford to keep your head down, you have to keep it on a swivel at all times or risk a random violent encounter with a "youth", or else you just lock yourself indoors at all times.

    Mexican and Central American neighborhoods are the former. Black and Puerto Rican neighborhoods are the latter.

    , @Gringo
    If you find yourself in a largely Hispanic area for some reason you probably won’t be in much physical danger.

    I used to live in the East End of Houston, where cousins used to live, which turned Mexican decades ago. The only time I got mugged in the East End, the muggers were Anglos. I had no cash on me. They took my glasses. As I had ordered new glasses the previous week, it was no loss to me.
  22. @(((Owen)))
    Blacks drive out whites with random street crime. But Hispanics form posses for self defense so they can colonize black neighborhoods.

    Whites have much more money than Hispanics so they can colonize Hispanic neighborhoods once the blacks have been driven out.

    Blacks have Section 8 and blockbusting to colonize white neighborhoods once the Hispanics have been driven out.

    Rock. Paper. Scissors.

    And the real estate brokers make all the money on the new Triangular Trade.

    Blacks have Section 8 and blockbusting to colonize white neighborhoods once the Hispanics have been driven out.

    Which is why blacks will always vote for the party of government. It’s why they continue to vote in ridiculous, unheard of percentages for one party.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Blacks vote how they are told. Simple as that.
  23. @Ron Unz
    Ha, ha, ha... *Exactly* the same thing happened in East Palo Alto, right next door to me.

    Back 25 years ago, EPA had the *highest* per capita murder rate in the entire U.S., and given the occasional spill-over effect, it might really have wrecked Palo Alto and Menlo Park, perhaps even altering the entire course of Silicon Valley history.

    But for some totally mysterious reason, all these problems gradually disappeared over the last couple of decades. Now EPA has great new regional shopping centers, a Four Seasons hotel, and lots of top-quality office buildings. Mark Zuckerberg lives about 100 yards from the EPA border, and the huge new Menlo Park Facebook complex is pretty close to EPA.

    This year almost became the first in many decades without a single EPA homicide, but a few days ago a couple of elderly white lesbians died in a murder-suicide.

    But EPA is still something like 90% "NAM" so this whole fortuitous situation really is quite mysterious....

    Ron,

    “some totally mysterious reason”

    “this whole fortuitous situation is quite mysterious…”

    Time to polish off my crystal ball to discern these mysteriouses.

  24. Back when my mom was a little girl in the early-to-mid 1930’s, Compton was a nice middle class suburb. Maybe it’ll be that way again by the mid 2030’s.

  25. @prosa123
    It is my impression - and just my impression - that while Hispanics may have a relatively high crime rate, especially gang related, by and large they do not prey on outsiders. If you find yourself in a largely Hispanic area for some reason you probably won't be in much physical danger.

    prosa123:

    It may be apocryphal but in NYC environs the Mexicans have a reputation of engaging in gang warfare only in the evenings and weekends since they’re otherwise at work!

  26. @prosa123
    It is my impression - and just my impression - that while Hispanics may have a relatively high crime rate, especially gang related, by and large they do not prey on outsiders. If you find yourself in a largely Hispanic area for some reason you probably won't be in much physical danger.

    I am a large white dude. 6’1 and probably 250….but several times I asked Hispanic or Asian people…..some VERY SMALL for directions and they were incredibly polite. I have southern manners to a degree but even then I get the same impression….

    Stay out of their beefs and ur good.

  27. @whorefinder
    It's the one silver lining if we lose the fight on immigration: watching blacks get ethnically cleansed from their old neighborhoods and brutalized into submission by Hispanic and Muslim gangs.

    Hispanics, yes; Muslims – No; the wounds of San Bernardino are still fresh.

  28. @anonguy

    I wouldn’t exactly think of Harvey Weinstein (or DJT/HRC) as the picture of health.
     
    Sure, but compare him to what he would have been at his age, given his life/dissipation, say 50 years ago were he even to able to have made it to that age back then. Among other things, he's had gastric band surgery, who knows what else has helped keep him alive and kicking, whether anti-cholesterol stuff, etc.

    True.

  29. @Ron Unz
    Ha, ha, ha... *Exactly* the same thing happened in East Palo Alto, right next door to me.

    Back 25 years ago, EPA had the *highest* per capita murder rate in the entire U.S., and given the occasional spill-over effect, it might really have wrecked Palo Alto and Menlo Park, perhaps even altering the entire course of Silicon Valley history.

    But for some totally mysterious reason, all these problems gradually disappeared over the last couple of decades. Now EPA has great new regional shopping centers, a Four Seasons hotel, and lots of top-quality office buildings. Mark Zuckerberg lives about 100 yards from the EPA border, and the huge new Menlo Park Facebook complex is pretty close to EPA.

    This year almost became the first in many decades without a single EPA homicide, but a few days ago a couple of elderly white lesbians died in a murder-suicide.

    But EPA is still something like 90% "NAM" so this whole fortuitous situation really is quite mysterious....

    But for some totally mysterious reason, all these problems gradually disappeared over the last couple of decades. Now EPA has great new regional shopping centers, a Four Seasons hotel …

    Nice!

    So are you hanging at the malls and mackin’ Roy Moore style on the Fred Reed-lauded “alarmingly attractive” Mexican girls? Come on Ron give us the deets, yo!

    But seriously, back in that thread you offered a riddle (#244), hinted at a revelatory answer, and never came back to the comments to explain.

    Will you now answer, or will the Silicon Sphinx stay silently puckered?

  30. @Ron Unz
    Ha, ha, ha... *Exactly* the same thing happened in East Palo Alto, right next door to me.

    Back 25 years ago, EPA had the *highest* per capita murder rate in the entire U.S., and given the occasional spill-over effect, it might really have wrecked Palo Alto and Menlo Park, perhaps even altering the entire course of Silicon Valley history.

    But for some totally mysterious reason, all these problems gradually disappeared over the last couple of decades. Now EPA has great new regional shopping centers, a Four Seasons hotel, and lots of top-quality office buildings. Mark Zuckerberg lives about 100 yards from the EPA border, and the huge new Menlo Park Facebook complex is pretty close to EPA.

    This year almost became the first in many decades without a single EPA homicide, but a few days ago a couple of elderly white lesbians died in a murder-suicide.

    But EPA is still something like 90% "NAM" so this whole fortuitous situation really is quite mysterious....

    30 years back we met an ER nurse in Half Moon Bay who told us hair raising stories of East Palo Alto, the gang torture victims she’d treated , “the police wait for the gunfire to stop before they’ll go in”, gangs with names like “Black Johnson Family” and others.

    If the population’s not changed, then what has happened ? CCTV everywhere?

    • Replies: @bomag
    The population has changed.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Sounds like North Philadelphia. Police would show up on Sunday morning to collect the bodies, and tote any survivors to Temple Hospital or Albert Einstein, where they were usually handcuffed to the gurneys, unless they had blown up their hands with Saturday Night Specials.
  31. @whorefinder
    It's the one silver lining if we lose the fight on immigration: watching blacks get ethnically cleansed from their old neighborhoods and brutalized into submission by Hispanic and Muslim gangs.

    Not if the African population explosion ends up sending more of the black folk in the US.

  32. As a north-west European I was always extremely surprised to see films and pictures of neighbourhoods considered black ghettos, such as Compton, as the houses and gardens they showed were almost twice the size of what I lived in.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Here in Detroit the most typical thing is neighborhoods abandoned except for one person, who tends to be the relatively good type. So you can buy the plot next to you and turn it into a garden, or expand ypurhouse, or you might use the whole rest of your block to store equipment for a business. It's actually a really great way to live because you get the land of a rural area yet the closeness to amenities of a city. The only drawbacks are idiot reporters who think you're doing something wrong and the ... other sort of person one meets in "the neighborhoods." There are several houses near where I live where nobody was doing anything with the lot next door, so they just bought it and use it as a bigger yard.
    , @Thomm
    Blacks can ruin almost anything.

    South-Central Los Angeles is 50 square miles (over 125 square km) of the most prime land you can imagine. Right between downtown Los Angeles and the Beach, if non-blacks lived there, it would be just about the most desirable place to live. It is also near the airport, Hollywood, the port of Los Angeles, etc. All the good jobs certainly surround South-Central LA like a ring.

    But blacks can ruin anything. The bottom 10% of whites can too, but other whites at least keep them tightly controlled.
  33. @backup
    As a north-west European I was always extremely surprised to see films and pictures of neighbourhoods considered black ghettos, such as Compton, as the houses and gardens they showed were almost twice the size of what I lived in.

    Here in Detroit the most typical thing is neighborhoods abandoned except for one person, who tends to be the relatively good type. So you can buy the plot next to you and turn it into a garden, or expand ypurhouse, or you might use the whole rest of your block to store equipment for a business. It’s actually a really great way to live because you get the land of a rural area yet the closeness to amenities of a city. The only drawbacks are idiot reporters who think you’re doing something wrong and the … other sort of person one meets in “the neighborhoods.” There are several houses near where I live where nobody was doing anything with the lot next door, so they just bought it and use it as a bigger yard.

    • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
    I agree with you on the vacant land part, but I'm not sold on the "amenities" part.

    Two weeks ago I drove from I-75 to Calihan Hall at U of D on McNichols on a Saturday night.
    McNichols was really, really bleak for a several block stretch. Everything was dark - the street lights weren't working (for the most part), the cross streets weren't marked, just about every house showed no signs of life, and yet, there were pedestrians in the freezing cold on those sidewalks.

    A strip bar, a liquor store, an adult book store . . . but lots and lots of vacant and abandoned houses and buildings.

    Good luck to you, J. Ross, and I hope it works out for you. But most of Detroit's neighborhoods are not viable candidates for gentrification anytime soon.
  34. @Anonymous
    Steve, I don't hear any Mexican Xmas carols on the radio. Lots of socal Spanish lingo stations but I don't detect much holiday music programming. Sounds like the usual German style oompa oompa stuff with the squeezebox. Not hearing much yuletide lyrics. Not hearing even the same carols we sing with espanol lyrics.

    Wassup?

    Why don’t Americans have Christmas carols? You just seem to have all those ghastly rocking around the Christmas tree, white Christmas, jingle bells etc. None of the Once in Royal David’s City, Good King Wenclesas. Rudolf and Elves are nice but really they are supporting cast, not the main actors.

    I would make an exception for the Pogues’ Fairytale of New York.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    At school, we used to sing "Silent Night," "O little town of Bethlehem," "Carol of the Bells," and I guess you could include "Little Drummer Boy" if you're going to include Wenceslas (which we also sang). Unfortunately, the radio stations would rather torture us with one more shrieking rendition of "All I want for Christmas...is YOOOUUUUUUUUU."
    , @MBlanc46
    I suppose it’s because they’re so Christmassy, and that’s so Christian, and Christianity is so unfashionable. One does still hear Silent Night occasionally. We Three Kings was around until recently. Good King Wenceslas is my favorite. We sang it in my elementary school’s Christmas pageant in the early 1950s. I don’t think I’ve heard it since.
    , @inertial

    You're a bum
    You're a punk
    You're an old slut on junk
    Lying there almost dead
    On a drip in that bed

    You scumbag
    You maggot
    You cheap lousy faggot
    Happy Christmas your arse
    I pray God
    It's our last
     
    Yes, much better than White Christmas.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    The classical music station here has been playing Palestrina, Vittoria, and of course Handel. If you can find a retro jazz or Big Band station, often on AM, you can listen to Dean Martin or Rosemary Clooney.
  35. Asbury Park in New Jersey is in the midst of a similar transformation, fueled by beachfront location, history, a large homosexual community, and hipsters. But you can actually walk onto the wrong side of the tracks, where gang warfare and the drug trade are still thriving. On that side of the tracks you can buy a home for $80,000. The other side has homes around $400,000, and up into the millions.

    • Replies: @swedish reader
    That sounds like South Africa or Brazil.
    , @Redneck farmer
    As Steve pointed out a couple of years ago, "Gays are the shock troops of racial cleansing."
    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Asbury Park in New Jersey is in the midst of a similar transformation, fueled by beachfront location, history, a large homosexual community...

    Gives a whole new meaning to "Straight outta Compton".
  36. @(((Owen)))
    Blacks drive out whites with random street crime. But Hispanics form posses for self defense so they can colonize black neighborhoods.

    Whites have much more money than Hispanics so they can colonize Hispanic neighborhoods once the blacks have been driven out.

    Blacks have Section 8 and blockbusting to colonize white neighborhoods once the Hispanics have been driven out.

    Rock. Paper. Scissors.

    And the real estate brokers make all the money on the new Triangular Trade.

    Rock. Paper. Scissors. That was a good one, (((Owen)))!

    Yes the middle men, usually women, love this stuff, the churn. Real estate agents don’t make so much money in stable neighborhoods. What bugs me more than that, though, is that everything is a home. Yes, that word covers condo too, I guess, but this has been the real estate ladies’ thing for a while now. The word home has good emotions attatched to it. “It’s a three-bedroom, one bathroom, home.” WTF, just say house, as that’s what it is.

    OK, I just watched the video on the recommendation of Father O’Hara, so ….

  37. @YetAnotherAnon
    30 years back we met an ER nurse in Half Moon Bay who told us hair raising stories of East Palo Alto, the gang torture victims she'd treated , "the police wait for the gunfire to stop before they'll go in", gangs with names like "Black Johnson Family" and others.

    If the population's not changed, then what has happened ? CCTV everywhere?

    The population has changed.

  38. why is the Nature Conservancy sealing off potential magic dirt along the coast of California ?

    A new preserve in California will save 24,000 acres of land from development. A renowned tract of undeveloped California coastal land totaling more than 24,000 acres, or about 38 square miles, has been purchased by a wealthy tech-industry couple for $165 million—and turned over to The Nature Conservancy (TNC) for permanent preservation. The tract includes hills and canyons, grasslands and brush, 2,000 acres of coastal live-oak stands, a creek, parts of the Santa Ynez mountain range—and a full eight miles of the bluffs and beaches that make up the coastline around Point Conception, west of Santa Barbara.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/12/bixby-ranch-dangermond-land-donation-in-california/548849/

  39. @istevefan

    Blacks have Section 8 and blockbusting to colonize white neighborhoods once the Hispanics have been driven out.
     
    Which is why blacks will always vote for the party of government. It's why they continue to vote in ridiculous, unheard of percentages for one party.

    Blacks vote how they are told. Simple as that.

  40. @william munny
    Asbury Park in New Jersey is in the midst of a similar transformation, fueled by beachfront location, history, a large homosexual community, and hipsters. But you can actually walk onto the wrong side of the tracks, where gang warfare and the drug trade are still thriving. On that side of the tracks you can buy a home for $80,000. The other side has homes around $400,000, and up into the millions.

    That sounds like South Africa or Brazil.

  41. @YetAnotherAnon
    30 years back we met an ER nurse in Half Moon Bay who told us hair raising stories of East Palo Alto, the gang torture victims she'd treated , "the police wait for the gunfire to stop before they'll go in", gangs with names like "Black Johnson Family" and others.

    If the population's not changed, then what has happened ? CCTV everywhere?

    Sounds like North Philadelphia. Police would show up on Sunday morning to collect the bodies, and tote any survivors to Temple Hospital or Albert Einstein, where they were usually handcuffed to the gurneys, unless they had blown up their hands with Saturday Night Specials.

  42. @LondonBob
    Why don't Americans have Christmas carols? You just seem to have all those ghastly rocking around the Christmas tree, white Christmas, jingle bells etc. None of the Once in Royal David's City, Good King Wenclesas. Rudolf and Elves are nice but really they are supporting cast, not the main actors.

    I would make an exception for the Pogues' Fairytale of New York.

    At school, we used to sing “Silent Night,” “O little town of Bethlehem,” “Carol of the Bells,” and I guess you could include “Little Drummer Boy” if you’re going to include Wenceslas (which we also sang). Unfortunately, the radio stations would rather torture us with one more shrieking rendition of “All I want for Christmas…is YOOOUUUUUUUUU.”

  43. @whorefinder
    It's the one silver lining if we lose the fight on immigration: watching blacks get ethnically cleansed from their old neighborhoods and brutalized into submission by Hispanic and Muslim gangs.

    And watching the Leftists go nuts as one of their beloved people of color goes all racist on another of their beloved people of color.

  44. @J.Ross
    Here in Detroit the most typical thing is neighborhoods abandoned except for one person, who tends to be the relatively good type. So you can buy the plot next to you and turn it into a garden, or expand ypurhouse, or you might use the whole rest of your block to store equipment for a business. It's actually a really great way to live because you get the land of a rural area yet the closeness to amenities of a city. The only drawbacks are idiot reporters who think you're doing something wrong and the ... other sort of person one meets in "the neighborhoods." There are several houses near where I live where nobody was doing anything with the lot next door, so they just bought it and use it as a bigger yard.

    I agree with you on the vacant land part, but I’m not sold on the “amenities” part.

    Two weeks ago I drove from I-75 to Calihan Hall at U of D on McNichols on a Saturday night.
    McNichols was really, really bleak for a several block stretch. Everything was dark – the street lights weren’t working (for the most part), the cross streets weren’t marked, just about every house showed no signs of life, and yet, there were pedestrians in the freezing cold on those sidewalks.

    A strip bar, a liquor store, an adult book store . . . but lots and lots of vacant and abandoned houses and buildings.

    Good luck to you, J. Ross, and I hope it works out for you. But most of Detroit’s neighborhoods are not viable candidates for gentrification anytime soon.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    on the streetlight issue:

    Here in CA the cool thing to do in wealthy new neighborhoods is to put in minimal street lighting. This makes the nighttime quite black and eerie. But it's okay since now you can see the stars, even if you can't see your own house.

    I guess it's all about saving power and not upping light pollution. But it's not so good for nighttime walks or runs.
    , @Brian Reilly
    Paul, Ahhh, Detroit. My hometown. Detroit is going away as a discrete political subdivision. The Midtown kernel is functionally separate, and administered as such. Call it Gilbertville or Ilichburg. Get outside of that area, and it is deterioration above and below ground with just a few islands still above. Sinking islands, I fear.

    Most (way more than 50%) of the people left in Detroit are not ready, willing, or able to do anything that anyone is willing to pay them for in any kind of a conventional, durable society. They are just off the rez, so to speak, and happy with the state of things. There is not yet any full throated push to move them out by force, so the administrators are letting decay do the job. As these post-modern urbanites move, die, or whatever, they leave a vacant home which is burned (to prevent a move in) and then left abandoned. Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. The desired end is a depopulated landscape in large pieces that can be re developed when the breeze s fair.

    There is purposeful aggregation of land going on in deteriorating Detroit. The Land Bank is under some sort of investigation. The various government units (City and Wayne County) continue to acquire land for taxes due. They were so completely incompetent that they (the governmental bureaucracies) were unable to complete the legal procedures for seizing and cataloging the seizure. They are better now, probably with Gilbert's assistance. Almost ZERO interest from the press on this accumulation of land in what was the 5th largest city in the US.

    So we will see huge tracts of land surreptitiously acquired and held for the coming (not too soon, I don't think) establishment of a new city where Detroit used to be. A completely new system of infrastructure, new roads, sewers, etc completely different from the old, auto-centric system which is now in un-arrestable decay. This is a long-term play in the many billions of dollars.

    Watch Detroit. It is where large parts of Urban America (no longer the United States) are headed. A fascinating story, and all true.
  45. @(((Owen)))
    Blacks drive out whites with random street crime. But Hispanics form posses for self defense so they can colonize black neighborhoods.

    Whites have much more money than Hispanics so they can colonize Hispanic neighborhoods once the blacks have been driven out.

    Blacks have Section 8 and blockbusting to colonize white neighborhoods once the Hispanics have been driven out.

    Rock. Paper. Scissors.

    And the real estate brokers make all the money on the new Triangular Trade.

    “Triangular Trade”. Brilliant.

  46. @anonguy
    OT, but here is a thought on the ongoing Reckoning.

    Seems obvious that Viagra and other ED "medicines" (I think of them as recreational stimulants for the most part, healthy living goes a long, long way towards retaining sexual function in men), are part of the problem. In the old days, guys libidos, or the ability to act upon them, waned as they aged and acquired power, which had the salutary effect of increasing their ability to wield power over women without sexual exploitation, a social evil in any society.

    Geez, ya think that might even be a feature, not a bug, just as female menopause is a feature, not a bug.

    Anyhow, allowing societies leaders to drug themselves into a 20 something stud creates a lot of imbalances that human societies have not evolved for.

    That is one contributing factor.

    The other one is that modern medicine and more attention to fitness/health in general is keeping people vigorous into much later years. When I was a kid, it was extremely unusual that public figures were still lions of their industries/profession in their 70s, you were superannuated at that birthday for sure.

    Just the fact of the ages of the candidates in the last presidential election highlights this.

    So more of our leaders are these old guys as well, potential consumers of Viagra.

    I think it is a toxic combination and if you look at it from the outside, our modern society must look a lot like a bunch of ancient boomers still fighting over the same stuff they have been for decades with no end in sight.

    And sexually exploiting the next generation with all this new found health and Viagra rather than moving out of the way for the next generation.

    No wonder the Millenials despise Boomers. It is an ugly picture.

    A lot of us Boomers aren’t entirely thrilled with the Millennials, either.

  47. @Anon
    OT: The Trump executive order today. "Executive Order Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption."

    I call this the Hillary Clinton Law. It's very interesting.

    This means Trump cause seize the US holdings of any foreign country (since a lot of them are legitimately corrupt) that tries to donate to the Democrats using 'foundation donations' like the Clinton Foundation. Any foreign cash coming in for Democratic candidates can be immediately grabbed. The Dems are going to be hard up for 2020 funding unless their domestic millionaires can cover the shortfall, but some Hillary donors are still ticked off that they threw money away on a losing Democratic cause, and they may not give so much any more.

    Combined with the fact that blue staters can't deduct so much property tax, 'small Democratic' donors may not have much cash they can spare to give to their candidates.

    Starve the beast?

  48. @Thomas
    I can’t wait for the historic preservationists to insist Compton houses keep the burglar bars and spiked fences.

    In Philadelphia that stuff would be considered racist.

  49. @Thomas
    I can’t wait for the historic preservationists to insist Compton houses keep the burglar bars and spiked fences.

    someone should make one of those youtube videos with some rap song about taking back compton and put bushes heads on the thugs bodies and make their bushes mouth the rap lyrics about gentrifying your shit wid muh oil money mtrfkr taking back da hood for the bloods but these bloods is blue da origninal Gs

  50. @LondonBob
    Why don't Americans have Christmas carols? You just seem to have all those ghastly rocking around the Christmas tree, white Christmas, jingle bells etc. None of the Once in Royal David's City, Good King Wenclesas. Rudolf and Elves are nice but really they are supporting cast, not the main actors.

    I would make an exception for the Pogues' Fairytale of New York.

    I suppose it’s because they’re so Christmassy, and that’s so Christian, and Christianity is so unfashionable. One does still hear Silent Night occasionally. We Three Kings was around until recently. Good King Wenceslas is my favorite. We sang it in my elementary school’s Christmas pageant in the early 1950s. I don’t think I’ve heard it since.

  51. Has anybody given any thought to the poor, inland, whites? The one’s that live where the displaced negros are moving to?

    As if killer summer temps, 2+hour commutes, raging fires, and the worst smog isn’t enough to bear.

    Now they get Shitavious and the rest moving in. Life isn’t fair…..

    When the whites invade Compton, will it begin with the flying wedge of homos? Followed by the single, hetero guys and girl friends.

    And then the ball carrier; married with children?

  52. Executive Order item screams out for takedown of George Soros and his supplicants. He pounded the pound and someone(s) must be pounding the bitcoin, but who could it be?

  53. @LondonBob
    Why don't Americans have Christmas carols? You just seem to have all those ghastly rocking around the Christmas tree, white Christmas, jingle bells etc. None of the Once in Royal David's City, Good King Wenclesas. Rudolf and Elves are nice but really they are supporting cast, not the main actors.

    I would make an exception for the Pogues' Fairytale of New York.

    You’re a bum
    You’re a punk
    You’re an old slut on junk
    Lying there almost dead
    On a drip in that bed

    You scumbag
    You maggot
    You cheap lousy faggot
    Happy Christmas your arse
    I pray God
    It’s our last

    Yes, much better than White Christmas.

  54. @Ron Unz
    Ha, ha, ha... *Exactly* the same thing happened in East Palo Alto, right next door to me.

    Back 25 years ago, EPA had the *highest* per capita murder rate in the entire U.S., and given the occasional spill-over effect, it might really have wrecked Palo Alto and Menlo Park, perhaps even altering the entire course of Silicon Valley history.

    But for some totally mysterious reason, all these problems gradually disappeared over the last couple of decades. Now EPA has great new regional shopping centers, a Four Seasons hotel, and lots of top-quality office buildings. Mark Zuckerberg lives about 100 yards from the EPA border, and the huge new Menlo Park Facebook complex is pretty close to EPA.

    This year almost became the first in many decades without a single EPA homicide, but a few days ago a couple of elderly white lesbians died in a murder-suicide.

    But EPA is still something like 90% "NAM" so this whole fortuitous situation really is quite mysterious....

    The gangsters must’ve gone somewhere. I wonder where? Malibu?

  55. @william munny
    Asbury Park in New Jersey is in the midst of a similar transformation, fueled by beachfront location, history, a large homosexual community, and hipsters. But you can actually walk onto the wrong side of the tracks, where gang warfare and the drug trade are still thriving. On that side of the tracks you can buy a home for $80,000. The other side has homes around $400,000, and up into the millions.

    As Steve pointed out a couple of years ago, “Gays are the shock troops of racial cleansing.”

  56. @backup
    As a north-west European I was always extremely surprised to see films and pictures of neighbourhoods considered black ghettos, such as Compton, as the houses and gardens they showed were almost twice the size of what I lived in.

    Blacks can ruin almost anything.

    South-Central Los Angeles is 50 square miles (over 125 square km) of the most prime land you can imagine. Right between downtown Los Angeles and the Beach, if non-blacks lived there, it would be just about the most desirable place to live. It is also near the airport, Hollywood, the port of Los Angeles, etc. All the good jobs certainly surround South-Central LA like a ring.

    But blacks can ruin anything. The bottom 10% of whites can too, but other whites at least keep them tightly controlled.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    But blacks can ruin anything. The bottom 10% of whites can too, but other whites at least keep them tightly controlled.
     
    The bottom 10% of whites can be slobs, but you're not going to find anywhere near the crime rate of a black area with the same average per capita income.
  57. @Paul Jolliffe
    I agree with you on the vacant land part, but I'm not sold on the "amenities" part.

    Two weeks ago I drove from I-75 to Calihan Hall at U of D on McNichols on a Saturday night.
    McNichols was really, really bleak for a several block stretch. Everything was dark - the street lights weren't working (for the most part), the cross streets weren't marked, just about every house showed no signs of life, and yet, there were pedestrians in the freezing cold on those sidewalks.

    A strip bar, a liquor store, an adult book store . . . but lots and lots of vacant and abandoned houses and buildings.

    Good luck to you, J. Ross, and I hope it works out for you. But most of Detroit's neighborhoods are not viable candidates for gentrification anytime soon.

    on the streetlight issue:

    Here in CA the cool thing to do in wealthy new neighborhoods is to put in minimal street lighting. This makes the nighttime quite black and eerie. But it’s okay since now you can see the stars, even if you can’t see your own house.

    I guess it’s all about saving power and not upping light pollution. But it’s not so good for nighttime walks or runs.

  58. @Ron Unz
    Ha, ha, ha... *Exactly* the same thing happened in East Palo Alto, right next door to me.

    Back 25 years ago, EPA had the *highest* per capita murder rate in the entire U.S., and given the occasional spill-over effect, it might really have wrecked Palo Alto and Menlo Park, perhaps even altering the entire course of Silicon Valley history.

    But for some totally mysterious reason, all these problems gradually disappeared over the last couple of decades. Now EPA has great new regional shopping centers, a Four Seasons hotel, and lots of top-quality office buildings. Mark Zuckerberg lives about 100 yards from the EPA border, and the huge new Menlo Park Facebook complex is pretty close to EPA.

    This year almost became the first in many decades without a single EPA homicide, but a few days ago a couple of elderly white lesbians died in a murder-suicide.

    But EPA is still something like 90% "NAM" so this whole fortuitous situation really is quite mysterious....

    Sixty years ago East Palo Alto impinged in no way upon Palo Alto proper. We kids were told to stay away from it (which, practically speaking, meant not clambering up out of San Francisquito Creek on the wrong side), while those who lived in it knew that they had no place in our world. This is the big difference, ruined by the “civil rights” movement of a decade later: blacks knew their place and kept to it very carefully. I never even saw a black person during the years we lived there; at least, I never noticed one, which amounts to the same thing, as far as quality of life is concerned.

    Their increasing scarcity nowadays is to be welcomed; their increasing replacement by Latinos, though, perhaps less so.

  59. @prosa123
    It is my impression - and just my impression - that while Hispanics may have a relatively high crime rate, especially gang related, by and large they do not prey on outsiders. If you find yourself in a largely Hispanic area for some reason you probably won't be in much physical danger.

    It is my impression – and just my impression – that while Hispanics may have a relatively high crime rate, especially gang related, by and large they do not prey on outsiders. If you find yourself in a largely Hispanic area for some reason you probably won’t be in much physical danger.

    Having lived in a heavily-Hispanic, run-down area of NYC, I can semi-confirm this feeling.

    There is a different between a “poor” neighborhood and a “ghetto” neighborhood. A poor neighborhood is one where the people work or try to work, don’t make much money, and their kids will have moved up and out when they get to be adults. At night the neighborhood looks abandoned because 99% of the populace is asleep.It’s not fun to live there but if you keep your head down and not start trouble none will come to you.

    A ghetto area is one where people will be there generation after generation because no one is trying to get out and no one knows who their father is. At night the neighborhood looks dangerous because scores of people are milling about with nothing to do and don’t have to look for work in the morning and who want to start trouble. You can’t afford to keep your head down, you have to keep it on a swivel at all times or risk a random violent encounter with a “youth”, or else you just lock yourself indoors at all times.

    Mexican and Central American neighborhoods are the former. Black and Puerto Rican neighborhoods are the latter.

  60. @william munny
    Asbury Park in New Jersey is in the midst of a similar transformation, fueled by beachfront location, history, a large homosexual community, and hipsters. But you can actually walk onto the wrong side of the tracks, where gang warfare and the drug trade are still thriving. On that side of the tracks you can buy a home for $80,000. The other side has homes around $400,000, and up into the millions.

    Asbury Park in New Jersey is in the midst of a similar transformation, fueled by beachfront location, history, a large homosexual community…

    Gives a whole new meaning to “Straight outta Compton”.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Eh, you got there first.
  61. @prosa123
    It is my impression - and just my impression - that while Hispanics may have a relatively high crime rate, especially gang related, by and large they do not prey on outsiders. If you find yourself in a largely Hispanic area for some reason you probably won't be in much physical danger.

    If you find yourself in a largely Hispanic area for some reason you probably won’t be in much physical danger.

    I used to live in the East End of Houston, where cousins used to live, which turned Mexican decades ago. The only time I got mugged in the East End, the muggers were Anglos. I had no cash on me. They took my glasses. As I had ordered new glasses the previous week, it was no loss to me.

  62. @Father O'Hara
    Just shows how great things are without blacks.
    NOTE:Some fine lady newscasters out in Cali. Yeah I'm talkin' to you Crystal Cruz.

    “Crystal Cruz” has got to be THE most California name ever.

  63. @LondonBob
    Why don't Americans have Christmas carols? You just seem to have all those ghastly rocking around the Christmas tree, white Christmas, jingle bells etc. None of the Once in Royal David's City, Good King Wenclesas. Rudolf and Elves are nice but really they are supporting cast, not the main actors.

    I would make an exception for the Pogues' Fairytale of New York.

    The classical music station here has been playing Palestrina, Vittoria, and of course Handel. If you can find a retro jazz or Big Band station, often on AM, you can listen to Dean Martin or Rosemary Clooney.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Dean and Rosemary are in rotation for Christmas with the background music channel in the coffee shop next to where I work. As is Burl Ives (I like him better now that I know the Pete Seeger folkies hated, hated, hated him because he wasn't a commie) and a bunch of other people of that era.
  64. @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    Asbury Park in New Jersey is in the midst of a similar transformation, fueled by beachfront location, history, a large homosexual community...

    Gives a whole new meaning to "Straight outta Compton".

    Eh, you got there first.

  65. @Anonymous
    Steve, I don't hear any Mexican Xmas carols on the radio. Lots of socal Spanish lingo stations but I don't detect much holiday music programming. Sounds like the usual German style oompa oompa stuff with the squeezebox. Not hearing much yuletide lyrics. Not hearing even the same carols we sing with espanol lyrics.

    Wassup?

    Not even Feliz Navidad?

    A couple of years ago, I spent Christmas Eve afternoon hanging out near an old-school music store in a rundown shopping arcade in downtown Miami. This song seemed to play about once an hour:

    The last time I walked by that store, it was going out of business.

  66. @Thomm
    Blacks can ruin almost anything.

    South-Central Los Angeles is 50 square miles (over 125 square km) of the most prime land you can imagine. Right between downtown Los Angeles and the Beach, if non-blacks lived there, it would be just about the most desirable place to live. It is also near the airport, Hollywood, the port of Los Angeles, etc. All the good jobs certainly surround South-Central LA like a ring.

    But blacks can ruin anything. The bottom 10% of whites can too, but other whites at least keep them tightly controlled.

    But blacks can ruin anything. The bottom 10% of whites can too, but other whites at least keep them tightly controlled.

    The bottom 10% of whites can be slobs, but you’re not going to find anywhere near the crime rate of a black area with the same average per capita income.

  67. @Ivy
    First Compton, then maybe Inglewood. Decades ago people saw promise in suburbs close enough to LA, jobs, beaches and sunsets. Many of those features continued even as the denizens changed. Location still matters even when degraded for some years, as value and scarcity and opportunity intersect. That isn't the popular intersectionality but is more lasting.

    Yeah, but I hate this from Steve, there are lots of nice burbs in LA like Santa Clarita or south Orange county. Why doesn’t he get out of having whites moved back to Compton which in some respects is worst than Santa Ana.

  68. I lived in Oakland for 6 months this year. My place was close to the Fruitvale Bart. Apparently it used to be one of the more notorious Oakland hoods. There is even a recent movie about a black criminal who got popped by a cop at Fruitvale station.

    Yet I had not one bad word or incident my whole time there. Why? Fruitvale is now about 80% Hispanic. Many have food carts or little stores. Many are also in construction or service jobs. Why can’t blacks do this?

    Oh, there are still some pretty shady black hoods in Oakland. My Asian, Muslim and Hispanic Uber drivers were very open in discussing them. So, while I didn’t feel at home, I also did not feel in danger.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Why can’t blacks do this?
     
    70 vs 90 IQs.
  69. @Bernie
    I lived in Oakland for 6 months this year. My place was close to the Fruitvale Bart. Apparently it used to be one of the more notorious Oakland hoods. There is even a recent movie about a black criminal who got popped by a cop at Fruitvale station.

    Yet I had not one bad word or incident my whole time there. Why? Fruitvale is now about 80% Hispanic. Many have food carts or little stores. Many are also in construction or service jobs. Why can’t blacks do this?

    Oh, there are still some pretty shady black hoods in Oakland. My Asian, Muslim and Hispanic Uber drivers were very open in discussing them. So, while I didn’t feel at home, I also did not feel in danger.

    Why can’t blacks do this?

    70 vs 90 IQs.

  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    The classical music station here has been playing Palestrina, Vittoria, and of course Handel. If you can find a retro jazz or Big Band station, often on AM, you can listen to Dean Martin or Rosemary Clooney.

    Dean and Rosemary are in rotation for Christmas with the background music channel in the coffee shop next to where I work. As is Burl Ives (I like him better now that I know the Pete Seeger folkies hated, hated, hated him because he wasn’t a commie) and a bunch of other people of that era.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    Anything is better than "Christmas Shoes" or "Where Are You Christmas?" I can’t decide which is the most obnoxious seasonal song ever.
    I found some folks on the web who agree with my long-held belief that the guy in "Christmas Shoes" got scammed, and the scam makes no sense to begin with. Why would you need designer shoes to meet someone who was born in a barn? My personal theory is the kid does this all over town and then hawks the shoes in an alley, telling prospective customers they fell off the truck.
    On the other hand, I forced myself to listen to "Where Are You Christmas?" recently, and wondered why she was trying to find Christmas instead of trying to find Christ. No wonder she felt lousy.
  71. @Anonymous
    Dean and Rosemary are in rotation for Christmas with the background music channel in the coffee shop next to where I work. As is Burl Ives (I like him better now that I know the Pete Seeger folkies hated, hated, hated him because he wasn't a commie) and a bunch of other people of that era.

    Anything is better than “Christmas Shoes” or “Where Are You Christmas?” I can’t decide which is the most obnoxious seasonal song ever.
    I found some folks on the web who agree with my long-held belief that the guy in “Christmas Shoes” got scammed, and the scam makes no sense to begin with. Why would you need designer shoes to meet someone who was born in a barn? My personal theory is the kid does this all over town and then hawks the shoes in an alley, telling prospective customers they fell off the truck.
    On the other hand, I forced myself to listen to “Where Are You Christmas?” recently, and wondered why she was trying to find Christmas instead of trying to find Christ. No wonder she felt lousy.

  72. @Paul Jolliffe
    I agree with you on the vacant land part, but I'm not sold on the "amenities" part.

    Two weeks ago I drove from I-75 to Calihan Hall at U of D on McNichols on a Saturday night.
    McNichols was really, really bleak for a several block stretch. Everything was dark - the street lights weren't working (for the most part), the cross streets weren't marked, just about every house showed no signs of life, and yet, there were pedestrians in the freezing cold on those sidewalks.

    A strip bar, a liquor store, an adult book store . . . but lots and lots of vacant and abandoned houses and buildings.

    Good luck to you, J. Ross, and I hope it works out for you. But most of Detroit's neighborhoods are not viable candidates for gentrification anytime soon.

    Paul, Ahhh, Detroit. My hometown. Detroit is going away as a discrete political subdivision. The Midtown kernel is functionally separate, and administered as such. Call it Gilbertville or Ilichburg. Get outside of that area, and it is deterioration above and below ground with just a few islands still above. Sinking islands, I fear.

    Most (way more than 50%) of the people left in Detroit are not ready, willing, or able to do anything that anyone is willing to pay them for in any kind of a conventional, durable society. They are just off the rez, so to speak, and happy with the state of things. There is not yet any full throated push to move them out by force, so the administrators are letting decay do the job. As these post-modern urbanites move, die, or whatever, they leave a vacant home which is burned (to prevent a move in) and then left abandoned. Thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. The desired end is a depopulated landscape in large pieces that can be re developed when the breeze s fair.

    There is purposeful aggregation of land going on in deteriorating Detroit. The Land Bank is under some sort of investigation. The various government units (City and Wayne County) continue to acquire land for taxes due. They were so completely incompetent that they (the governmental bureaucracies) were unable to complete the legal procedures for seizing and cataloging the seizure. They are better now, probably with Gilbert’s assistance. Almost ZERO interest from the press on this accumulation of land in what was the 5th largest city in the US.

    So we will see huge tracts of land surreptitiously acquired and held for the coming (not too soon, I don’t think) establishment of a new city where Detroit used to be. A completely new system of infrastructure, new roads, sewers, etc completely different from the old, auto-centric system which is now in un-arrestable decay. This is a long-term play in the many billions of dollars.

    Watch Detroit. It is where large parts of Urban America (no longer the United States) are headed. A fascinating story, and all true.

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