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From Australian Broadcasting:

Italian bus driver tries to burn dozens of schoolchildren alive
Updated 8 minutes ago

Italian police have ended a dramatic ordeal for 51 students and their teachers who were tied up and held captive by their bus driver who threatened to torch everyone inside the vehicle.

Police broke glass windows in the back of the bus and got all the passengers to safety without serious injury before the flames destroyed the vehicle, authorities said.

The driver, an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin in his 40s, said he was protesting against migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, Commander Luca De Marchis told local TV. …

iSteve commenter Dave Pinsen observes: “Fortunately, contra Bari Weiss and the musical Hamilton, immigrants don’t always get the job done.”

Italy’s national press agency ANSA quoted one of the students as saying the driver took all their phones and ordered the teachers to bind the students’ hands with cable ties, threatening to spill petrol and set the bus ablaze.

ANSA said the teachers deliberately left some of the cable-tie handcuffs loose.

My impression is that there is a gap in average competence between the few but sometimes horrifically lethal rightwing white male terrorists and the various terrorists like Ousseynou Sy on the side of respectable ideas like More Immigration, Less Islamophobia, and Less White Privilege.

For example, here’s the pro-gay marriage terrorist who tried to shoot up the conservative Family Research Council in 2012 because the SPLC called the FRC a “hate” group. Even though he shot the guard at the front desk in the arm, the wounded guard still took him down one-handed:

 
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  1. Thank Yahweh for that gap, because that’s virtually the only thing the West still has going for it.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    Wait for the NYT to complain that the "murder completion gap" is due to white privilege, and must be closed immediately.
    , @istevefan
    That's what makes the immivasion so frustrating. We are not being conquered by a superior force. We are being conquered by retrogrades assisted by our own leadership using our taxes.
    , @Bard of Bumperstickers
    Incompetence may be a sort of aptitude. S.h*t-hole A.ptitude T.est?
  2. … an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin

    I think we have the textbook definition of “oxymoron” right here…

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    Another Afro-Italian who comes to mind is Ivory Coast immigrant, Rudy Guede, who murdered Amanda Knox's roommate, Meredith Kercher.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Rudy_Guede

    I have to wonder at the statistical crime rate of Black Italians. The only two I've ever heard of have both been murderers/attempted murders. So anecdotally they are batting 1.000 as far as I'm concerned.
    , @Reg Cæsar


    … an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin

     

    I think we have the textbook definition of “oxymoron” right here…
     
    Dakar, boss, Dakar!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlnOcZK892E

    , @AnotherDad


    … an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin
     
    I think we have the textbook definition of “oxymoron” right here…
     
    Exactly Dr. X. The very concept is as appalling as the sight of these black "Italians".

    It's one thing to hear this "nation of immigrants" crap in the the US, but to see it ooze out from the US and infect other Western nations with their particular, precious national peoples is criminal.
    , @Prester John
    Agreed. Nevertheless, it sure beats the headline "ITALIAN bus driver...".
  3. Why would the teachers bind the kids hands just because he said so? Did I miss something?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Earlier reports were very confused, possibly by journalists trying to paint as sympathetic a picture of the marauding alien as possible, but it's abundantly clear that this was a standard terrorist/bank robbery scene impelled by the credible threat of violence, and saved from worse violence by the carabinieri.
    He must have threatened and scared the teachers to get them to bind the children's hands. He must have deceived people to get the materials into place. He must have planned this in advance.
  4. My impression is that there is a gap in average competence between (the few but sometimes horrifically lethal) rightwing white male terrorists and the various terrorists on the side of Respectable Ideas like More Immigration.

    I’m calling the SPLC.

  5. Capisce-kebab?

    • LOL: James Speaks
    • Replies: @James Speaks
    I herby fine you another hundred renminbi.
  6. So he basically tried to murder 40 children, and targeted them because they were white, as revenge for, um, the fact that African choose to pile onto unsafe rickety boats and head to Europe. This should be a global news story equivalent to the New Zealand shooting, right?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Perceptive connection, citizen! All of those white children will be slated for pre-re-education, and disqualified from firearms licensing just in case!
    , @Escher
    It doesn't pass the perpetrator melanin test.
    , @John Henry
    I would not even have known about this except it appeared here. Not even on Drudge, or FARK.
    , @Douglas L Self
    Oh no...they're just WHITE children, so they don't "count".
  7. The driver, an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin in his 40s, said he was protesting against migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, Commander Luca De Marchis told local TV. …

    Henceforth all Leftist or Islamist violence shall be described as ‘protest’

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    That's accurate, all proper Islamic terrorism must be contextualized, must be within Islamic law, and is normally in protest of a specific and changeable action like basing soldiers in the Holy Land or killing Muslims. The idea is that it's fair and just because you could have avoided it if you had done the right thing. Leftists use the same logic much more sloppily at their violent demonstrations.
    , @Forbes
    Henceforth? I'd say most prog-lefty "direct-action" has already reported as "protests" with some "unfortunate" injuries or deaths. Antifa and BLM get that treatment...
  8. I’ve seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.

    You can already see how Andrew Yang’s reach out to everyone strategy is being derided as “racist” because it supports whites.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I’ve seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.
     
    That depends on which white faction wins, no? Or are you already assuming that the WN side will win?
    , @larry lurker
    In his Joe Rogan appearance Yang talked about some study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points. I suspect he knows that this is unlikely, but the interesting thing is that he added: "That's almost a standard deviation!" This is someone who's done some reading on psychometrics...
    , @Clifford Brown
    Yang's campaign slogan is Humanity First.

    The best part is that it has been memed into an anti-robot, anti-android, anti-Terminator slogan. I thoroughly endorse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8br3K_cIWZ0&index=5&list=PLBCm-hHGvopCjBTyjrs_1myU-axpe9zAu
    , @Clyde
    We have had a black man (mocha Obama) so why not a Chinaman?
    , @Perplexed
    Yang says multiculturalism has never worked anywhere but wants more immigration. He is anti-white.
    , @Bill Jones
    Has anybody ever done a "gun ownership by race" survey?
  9. Globalism is really global racial communism for the 99%.

    The 1% will inherit the whole earth and still reside in their exclusive enclaves.

  10. We live in a society, which, thanks to the Christian religious wars and the events of the Enlightenment, largely inhibits political violence. A lot of other people don’t. When your country is only about seventy years old, and it’s really a concatenation thrown together by foreigners on their way out, so your own society is a tribe that doesn’t line up perfectly with the national borders, you’re much closer to civil war.

  11. I believe they said he had an Italian wife too – difficult to interpret that.

    • Agree: Whiskey
    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    I believe they said he had an Italian wife too – difficult to interpret that.

     

    I noticed this also. I think it's possibly a slip-up between the reporter and the headline-writer. The reporter means the perpetrator's wife is really an Italian; the headline writer is just doing routine narrative maintenance in the "'Minnesota Man' = Somali" style that the PowerLine guys note periodically.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "I believe they said he had an Italian wife too – difficult to interpret that."

    "What is good in life?"
  12. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    So he basically tried to murder 40 children, and targeted them because they were white, as revenge for, um, the fact that African choose to pile onto unsafe rickety boats and head to Europe. This should be a global news story equivalent to the New Zealand shooting, right?

    Perceptive connection, citizen! All of those white children will be slated for pre-re-education, and disqualified from firearms licensing just in case!

  13. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    The driver, an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin in his 40s, said he was protesting against migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, Commander Luca De Marchis told local TV. …
     
    Henceforth all Leftist or Islamist violence shall be described as 'protest'

    That’s accurate, all proper Islamic terrorism must be contextualized, must be within Islamic law, and is normally in protest of a specific and changeable action like basing soldiers in the Holy Land or killing Muslims. The idea is that it’s fair and just because you could have avoided it if you had done the right thing. Leftists use the same logic much more sloppily at their violent demonstrations.

  14. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    So he basically tried to murder 40 children, and targeted them because they were white, as revenge for, um, the fact that African choose to pile onto unsafe rickety boats and head to Europe. This should be a global news story equivalent to the New Zealand shooting, right?

    It doesn’t pass the perpetrator melanin test.

  15. @Anon
    Thank Yahweh for that gap, because that's virtually the only thing the West still has going for it.

    Wait for the NYT to complain that the “murder completion gap” is due to white privilege, and must be closed immediately.

  16. @RickinJax
    Why would the teachers bind the kids hands just because he said so? Did I miss something?

    Earlier reports were very confused, possibly by journalists trying to paint as sympathetic a picture of the marauding alien as possible, but it’s abundantly clear that this was a standard terrorist/bank robbery scene impelled by the credible threat of violence, and saved from worse violence by the carabinieri.
    He must have threatened and scared the teachers to get them to bind the children’s hands. He must have deceived people to get the materials into place. He must have planned this in advance.

    • Replies: @Hidden Cat
    I saw a France 24 report. Film showed the bus moving erratically, narrative said he ran red lights. A small mass of adults were running after the bus. Which I think is why, once he lit fire to the bus, the crowd was able to pull children out of the bus. Thankfully.
  17. Few years back I was thinking about the same thing Steve. Assumingof course McVeigh was a lone wolf nutand not the pasty of some Strassmeir led DOJ sting gone awry his death toll in comparison to the various clusterf**k Islamist attempts.

    Other than 9/11 I can’t think of many islamoterror attacks that proved that lethal besides San Bernardino and the gay club slaughter in Florida.

    Well in Europe there were the various French attacks, and the London and Madrid train bombings….

    Right wing terrorists include the retard who shop up the black church in South Carolina, the various right wing terror bombings in Europe in the mid 70s thru mid 80s in particular Italy….

    Muslims espouse terror but don’t seem terribly competent at it….now do they?

    • Replies: @newrouter
    "the various right wing terror bombings in Europe in the mid 70s thru mid 80s in particular Italy…."

    Who were the Baader-Meinhof gang?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6314559.stm
    , @Redneck farmer
    They do better when the targets are other Moslems.
    , @Percy Gryce
    Don't forget Hassan Nidal. Of course, he had the benefit of U.S. Army training and on-base no-carry restrictions. Apparently he's due to be executed soon.
    , @Bill Jones
    I assume this is taking the piss:

    "the various right wing terror bombings in Europe in the mid 70s thru mid 80s in particular Italy…."

    Have you honestly never heard of Operation Gladio?
  18. anon[834] • Disclaimer says:

    My impression is that there is a gap in average competence between the few but sometimes horrifically lethal rightwing white male terrorists and the various terrorists like Ousseynou Sy on the side of respectable ideas like More Immigration, Less Islamophobia, and Less White Privilege.

    Alternatively, there’s a competence gap between amateurs and, er, professionals…

  19. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    The driver, an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin in his 40s, said he was protesting against migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, Commander Luca De Marchis told local TV. …
     
    Henceforth all Leftist or Islamist violence shall be described as 'protest'

    Henceforth? I’d say most prog-lefty “direct-action” has already reported as “protests” with some “unfortunate” injuries or deaths. Antifa and BLM get that treatment…

  20. ‘…My impression is that there is a gap in average competence between the few but sometimes horrifically lethal rightwing white male terrorists and the various terrorists like Ousseynou Sy on the side of respectable ideas like More Immigration, Less Islamophobia, and Less White Privilege…’

    The validity of that would depend on which side you’re placing Osama bin Laden.

    • Agree: Lot
  21. @Dr. X

    ... an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin
     
    I think we have the textbook definition of "oxymoron" right here...

    Another Afro-Italian who comes to mind is Ivory Coast immigrant, Rudy Guede, who murdered Amanda Knox’s roommate, Meredith Kercher.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Rudy_Guede

    I have to wonder at the statistical crime rate of Black Italians. The only two I’ve ever heard of have both been murderers/attempted murders. So anecdotally they are batting 1.000 as far as I’m concerned.

    • Replies: @Lot
    In France and Germany you see plenty of integrated Africans dressed in clean clothing and apparently employed.

    In Italy and Spain there are far fewer overall, they are nearly all male, and are almost always street peddlers, beggers, or devious looking loiterers.

    I think the difference is there is affirmative action and social pressure to hire Africans in Northern Europe, while in Southern Europe businesses avoid hiring them and Italians/Spanish jealously guard all the low-expectations government jobs for their own dimmer relatives.
    , @LondonBob
    Kercher's Indian-Jewish family still(!) blame white American Amanda Knox whilst ignoring the actual African perp Rudy Guede.
  22. @songbird
    I believe they said he had an Italian wife too - difficult to interpret that.

    I believe they said he had an Italian wife too – difficult to interpret that.

    I noticed this also. I think it’s possibly a slip-up between the reporter and the headline-writer. The reporter means the perpetrator’s wife is really an Italian; the headline writer is just doing routine narrative maintenance in the “‘Minnesota Man’ = Somali” style that the PowerLine guys note periodically.

  23. @Dr. X

    ... an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin
     
    I think we have the textbook definition of "oxymoron" right here...

    … an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin

    I think we have the textbook definition of “oxymoron” right here…

    Dakar, boss, Dakar!

  24. Fortunately, contra Bari Weiss and the musical Hamilton, immigrants don’t always get the job done.

  25. @Reg Cæsar
    Capisce-kebab?

    I herby fine you another hundred renminbi.

  26. @Jack Hanson
    I've seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.

    You can already see how Andrew Yang's reach out to everyone strategy is being derided as "racist" because it supports whites.

    I’ve seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.

    That depends on which white faction wins, no? Or are you already assuming that the WN side will win?

    • Disagree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Or are you already assuming that the WN side will win?
     
    You aren’t? Jeez, Twinkie, try to be optimistic.

    Don’t fret, you and your kids are ‘honorary’ and will no doubt be ensconced up in the hills during the festivities, but I do worry that “attilathehen” might have The Derb’s home address. Derb, maintain that Mossy ffs! She bringin’ heat!
    , @Redneck farmer
    I suspect the GoodWhites will have to destroy a lot of POC areas, regrettably, of course, to make sure they get all the BadWhites.
    , @Jack Hanson
    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches.

    By and large these two subsets of the population are separate circles on a Venn diagram. You tell me how this ends. When the wheels come off this thing called America they're gonna write about it for 1000 years.

    I get by your use of the perjorative "WN" you're worried you're gonna get caught up in the coming meat grinder, but you're sweating needlessly and/or doing your thing where you gotta make the post about you and your specific, unique, personal circumstances.

    You don't have to be "WN" to be tired of Weimar America, or of the imported foreign brahmin class who arrived on a boat last week telling us what an "American" is.

    Like Jenner said, you're going to be fine.

  27. @Jack Hanson
    I've seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.

    You can already see how Andrew Yang's reach out to everyone strategy is being derided as "racist" because it supports whites.

    In his Joe Rogan appearance Yang talked about some study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points. I suspect he knows that this is unlikely, but the interesting thing is that he added: “That’s almost a standard deviation!” This is someone who’s done some reading on psychometrics…

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    "In a surprising announcement, President Yang has nominated far-right internet commentator Steve Sailer to be HHS secretary".
    , @Anon

    Yang talked about some study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points.
     
    So there is a correlation between financial hardship and IQ, and Yang things the correlation is that financial hardship causes low IQ? Generally the view has been that low IQ causes low socio-economic status, not the other way around.

    However, the current view is embodied in the fifth law of behavioral genetics, also known as finding 4 in Plomin's "Top 10 Replicated Findings From Behavioral Genetics": That underlying genetic factors mediate both outcomes. There is no causal relationship from one to the other.

    At an even deeper level, your overall general genetic fitness (minimal mutations and minimal developmental glitches in the womb) make all ships rise, including IQ and SES, and low fitness makes all ships sink.

    This understanding is behind the view that most of social science research to the present time is meaningless and needs a rethink and a redo, and about half of medical research is also fallacious. In general, any research that depended on eliminating confounds among traits and finding causation between traits is probably wrong.
    , @Jack Hanson
    He's definitely done a Deep Think on this.
    , @denjae

    . . . study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points.
     
    Not IQ.

    But perhaps one’s ability to operate
    at levels that used to be rather easy

    “brains” squeezed down to nothing
    much like one’s financial situation

    Cutting tooth-paste tubes in half
    to squeeze out the last little bit,

    to maintain one’s good clean breath
    and be looking as good as ever

    should a REAL JOB interview opportunity
    ever again materialize in one’s lost life
    , @Bill Jones
    So " some study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points."

    Did somebody really measure IQ and then, among the sample who suffered "financial hardship" re-measure and discover that their IQ's had dropped 13 points?

    Seems very unlikely.

    It seems much more likely that the "study" confirmed that the offspring of thick fuckers who can't make it are likely to be thick fuckers.
  28. Anonymous[264] • Disclaimer says:

    My impression is that there is a gap in average competence between the few but sometimes horrifically lethal rightwing white male terrorists and the various terrorists like Ousseynou Sy on the side of respectable ideas like More Immigration, Less Islamophobia, and Less White Privilege.

    The Senegalese bus driver may have just assimilated Italian levels of military competence. We should be glad that he wasn’t Ethiopian.

    https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/it-military-incompetence.htm

  29. a gap in average competence between the few but sometimes horrifically lethal rightwing white male terrorists and the various terrorists like Ousseynou Sy on the side of respectable ideas like More Immigration, Less Islamophobia, and Less White Privilege.

    Competence = IQ, in this context. East Asian serial killers and mass murderers, for example, tend to cluster with white ones.

  30. OT: Heartiste showed this “meme” about the Christchurch shootings:

    I can’t find the exact images combined to create this composite, but the headlines and photos can be verified as from Slate stories.

    This tweet


    states
    “After Christchurch, we need more blame, not less.”
    “The Christchurch Shootings Should Implicate All White Australians”

    The first hit in this search
    https://www.google.com/search?q=slate+somali+americans+ohio+state
    is the relevant Slate story with clickbait title:
    “It’s Wrong to Blame Somali Americans for the Ohio …” – Slate Magazine
    Although the clickbait headline is not used in the article itself.

    Slate’s attitude is revolting on many levels. Not only for the blatant double standard; but also because the editors of Slate, if asked the direct question “Do the crimes of one person implicate all those of the same ethnicity?” would answer “No!” and would probably be affronted by the question.

    I am not sure whether this anti-white hatred is a result of SJW self-loathing, or plain anti-gentilism.

  31. The driver, an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin in his 40s, said he was protesting against migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, Commander Luca De Marchis told local TV. …

    Which means Italy will now come under even more pressure than before to take in migrants. After all if a guy was willing to kill kids over this issue, Italy must address it.

    Contrast this to when a nationalist commits an act of terror because of an issue, specifically that too many migrants are coming. Immediately calls are made to increase immigration to own the nationalist.

    If people were consistent, they’d be calling for not taking in any more migrants from the Mediterranean to own this guy who almost killed 51 innocent children. Instead it will be used to justify immigration on steroids.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
    • Replies: @Trevor H.

    If people were consistent
     
    But they are consistent! Whatever happens, the solution is more third-world immigration.
    , @Joe H
    Luckily the Italians have this minister named Salvini...
  32. @Neoconned
    Few years back I was thinking about the same thing Steve. Assumingof course McVeigh was a lone wolf nutand not the pasty of some Strassmeir led DOJ sting gone awry his death toll in comparison to the various clusterf**k Islamist attempts.

    Other than 9/11 I can't think of many islamoterror attacks that proved that lethal besides San Bernardino and the gay club slaughter in Florida.

    Well in Europe there were the various French attacks, and the London and Madrid train bombings....

    Right wing terrorists include the retard who shop up the black church in South Carolina, the various right wing terror bombings in Europe in the mid 70s thru mid 80s in particular Italy....

    Muslims espouse terror but don't seem terribly competent at it....now do they?

    “the various right wing terror bombings in Europe in the mid 70s thru mid 80s in particular Italy….”

    Who were the Baader-Meinhof gang?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6314559.stm

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3pI1anNdWE
  33. My impression is that there is a gap in average competence between the few but sometimes horrifically lethal rightwing white male terrorists…

    Obviously you have McVeigh, Baruch Goldstein, the Vegas killer and the NZ shooter that suggests you are onto something. But the guys on 9-11 pulled off a pretty effective attack, as well as the guys at the Bataclan, and the animals who killed all those Russian school children in Beslan. And the guys in Bombay took a lot of lives. Maybe those guys are just outliers.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Not really because there are many terrorist attacks of 100+ casualties in the Muslim world. They'll even do it to other sects of Muslims.
    , @Lot
    Muslims engage in such an extremely high rate of terrorism and explicitly racist violence, that they are going to dominate the list of top terror attacks even if their mean attack is quite low.

    The really retarded failed attempts at terrorism are frequent and just about 100% Muslim.

    Israel has an “Arab stabs random woman at bus stop, who survives, Arab then shot dead by police” news articles dozens of times a year.

    One failed attack involved a car bomb that did not detonate in Notre Dame de Paris.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Notre_Dame_de_Paris_DSC_0846w.jpg/759px-Notre_Dame_de_Paris_DSC_0846w.jpg
    , @GermanReader2
    A few years ago, Ben Kurtz made the observation, that you can pretty accurately guess the race/ethnicity of a shooter by looking at the ratio between wounded and killed.

    -When the killed/wounded ratio exceeds at least 2 (two killed for each wounded) the perpetrator is either white or Asian
    -When the killed/wounded ratio is around 1, then the shooter either is an Arab or a Hispanic
    -When the killed wounded ratio is 1/3 and lower, the shooter is black.
    (The only blacks, who have a high killed/wounded ratio are military-trained (like the cop-killer in Baton Rouge)
    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/28/florida-nightclubs/
  34. “Driver Ousseynou Sy — a 47-year-old Italian citizen of Senegalese origin — explained under questioning that he wanted ‘to draw attention to the consequences of migration policies’, according to his lawyer.”

    huh… guess he succeeded

  35. We’re just not making Afro-Italians like we used to.

    Franco Harris

    Roy Campanella

  36. @istevefan

    My impression is that there is a gap in average competence between the few but sometimes horrifically lethal rightwing white male terrorists...
     
    Obviously you have McVeigh, Baruch Goldstein, the Vegas killer and the NZ shooter that suggests you are onto something. But the guys on 9-11 pulled off a pretty effective attack, as well as the guys at the Bataclan, and the animals who killed all those Russian school children in Beslan. And the guys in Bombay took a lot of lives. Maybe those guys are just outliers.

    Not really because there are many terrorist attacks of 100+ casualties in the Muslim world. They’ll even do it to other sects of Muslims.

  37. Without Senegalese immigrants Italian schoolchildren would be rotting at the bus stops.

  38. @Hypnotoad666
    Another Afro-Italian who comes to mind is Ivory Coast immigrant, Rudy Guede, who murdered Amanda Knox's roommate, Meredith Kercher.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Rudy_Guede

    I have to wonder at the statistical crime rate of Black Italians. The only two I've ever heard of have both been murderers/attempted murders. So anecdotally they are batting 1.000 as far as I'm concerned.

    In France and Germany you see plenty of integrated Africans dressed in clean clothing and apparently employed.

    In Italy and Spain there are far fewer overall, they are nearly all male, and are almost always street peddlers, beggers, or devious looking loiterers.

    I think the difference is there is affirmative action and social pressure to hire Africans in Northern Europe, while in Southern Europe businesses avoid hiring them and Italians/Spanish jealously guard all the low-expectations government jobs for their own dimmer relatives.

    • Replies: @brioche
    1. Since last few years, you see far more black street peddlers and criminals in France. In a few years, French-Africans and African-Americans will be indistinguishable.

    I think the difference is there is affirmative action and social pressure to hire Africans in Northern Europe

     

    2. There wasn't a major affirmative action or social pressure to hire Africans in France. It's changing now but it would hardly explain last few decades.
    , @TelfoedJohn
    Could it be the ones in Northern Europe are a subset of the ones in the South - the ones who have the wit and grit to go further north? Reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_African_in_Greenland
  39. @istevefan

    My impression is that there is a gap in average competence between the few but sometimes horrifically lethal rightwing white male terrorists...
     
    Obviously you have McVeigh, Baruch Goldstein, the Vegas killer and the NZ shooter that suggests you are onto something. But the guys on 9-11 pulled off a pretty effective attack, as well as the guys at the Bataclan, and the animals who killed all those Russian school children in Beslan. And the guys in Bombay took a lot of lives. Maybe those guys are just outliers.

    Muslims engage in such an extremely high rate of terrorism and explicitly racist violence, that they are going to dominate the list of top terror attacks even if their mean attack is quite low.

    The really retarded failed attempts at terrorism are frequent and just about 100% Muslim.

    Israel has an “Arab stabs random woman at bus stop, who survives, Arab then shot dead by police” news articles dozens of times a year.

    One failed attack involved a car bomb that did not detonate in Notre Dame de Paris.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    This, in almost all other societies, if you're a loser or have a long-standing grievance, it's still a stretch to get violent or seek to go out with a bang. The only militia violence the Clinton government was able to find was what it created. The most likely course of action for a Western loser would be substance abuse or succumbing to tasteful anime connoiseurship. Whereas in Islam, by design and from day one, if you've got nothing else going for you, you can be a shahiyd. Your family will be taken care of like you couldn't in your life (it's like a more evil version of Death of a Salesman), and your reputation -- in an honor society -- will enjoy guaranteed status, permanently separated from your failures.
    , @Menschmaschine
    The numbers are not really comparable. An American or Israeli with an homicidal urge can always simply join the official armed forces and then murder as much Muslims as he likes and his victims will be counted as terrorists or, at most, as civilians that had to be killed because bad terrorists used them as human shields or some such bullshit.

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)
    , @Menschmaschine
    The numbers are not really comparable. An American or Israeli with an homicidal urge can always simply join the official armed forces and then murder as much Muslims as he likes and his victims will be counted as terrorists or, at most, as civilians that had to be killed because bad terrorists used them as human shields or some such bullshit.

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)
  40. The “day job” competence of the Iraqi “doctor” involved in the botched attack on Glasgow Airport in 2007

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_Airport_attack

    hasn’t ever been discussed in UK media, I believe.

    On Senegalese migrants in Italy, they invariably get a good write-up in the “Commissario Brunetti” Venetian novels of American Donna Leon.

    • Replies: @Red Headed Magus

    On Senegalese migrants in Italy, they invariably get a good write-up in the “Commissario Brunetti” Venetian novels of American Donna Leon.
     
    I didn't know that, but she is a terrible writer as well as politically correct. I've only read one Donna Leon book and have no desire ever to open another. I couldn't believe she has ever been to Venice, so poor is her sense of atmosphere.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    Years ago I read one of Donna Leon's books, and found it difficult to accept its existence, i.e. that something that bad was published on real paper and distributed to actual bookstores and libraries. But I recall very clearly that you're right about her depictions of Africans. In the novel I read, the murder victim was an African street peddler, and it seemed most of the book comprised diatribes about racism aimed at stupid ignorant uncultured American hick readers.
    , @Pericles

    On Senegalese migrants in Italy, they invariably get a good write-up in the “Commissario Brunetti” Venetian novels of American Donna Leon.

     

    Lol, this reminds me of a second-tier crime writer, Jassy MacKenzie of Johannesburg. The first book of her inevitable series, Random Violence, features a White woman and an Indian detective investigating a car jacking murder. Well, as is so often the case in SA, the car jacking perp turns out to be a White guy psycho ... in fact, an albino White guy psycho. At that point, it was impossible to continue.

    Somewhat remarkably, I see in retrospect that the author page on Amazon states she "was inspired to write her first thriller, Random Violence, after being carjacked at gunpoint in her driveway." Presumably by an albino?
  41. @istevefan

    My impression is that there is a gap in average competence between the few but sometimes horrifically lethal rightwing white male terrorists...
     
    Obviously you have McVeigh, Baruch Goldstein, the Vegas killer and the NZ shooter that suggests you are onto something. But the guys on 9-11 pulled off a pretty effective attack, as well as the guys at the Bataclan, and the animals who killed all those Russian school children in Beslan. And the guys in Bombay took a lot of lives. Maybe those guys are just outliers.

    A few years ago, Ben Kurtz made the observation, that you can pretty accurately guess the race/ethnicity of a shooter by looking at the ratio between wounded and killed.

    -When the killed/wounded ratio exceeds at least 2 (two killed for each wounded) the perpetrator is either white or Asian
    -When the killed/wounded ratio is around 1, then the shooter either is an Arab or a Hispanic
    -When the killed wounded ratio is 1/3 and lower, the shooter is black.
    (The only blacks, who have a high killed/wounded ratio are military-trained (like the cop-killer in Baton Rouge)
    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/28/florida-nightclubs/

    • Replies: @istevefan

    A few years ago, Ben Kurtz made the observation, that you can pretty accurately guess the race/ethnicity of a shooter by looking at the ratio between wounded and killed.
     
    We do something similar in regards to trying to accurately guess the race/ethnicity of a criminal in the USA based upon media reports. For example, if we hear a story about a customer at McDonalds complaining that the food was bad, and then they jumped behind the counter to thrash the sales clerk, we know the perpetrator was black.
  42. @Jack Hanson
    I've seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.

    You can already see how Andrew Yang's reach out to everyone strategy is being derided as "racist" because it supports whites.

    Yang’s campaign slogan is Humanity First.

    The best part is that it has been memed into an anti-robot, anti-android, anti-Terminator slogan. I thoroughly endorse.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Yang has been meme'd into a viable candidate while Drimph plays Boomer Uncle on Twitter.
  43. @Lot
    Muslims engage in such an extremely high rate of terrorism and explicitly racist violence, that they are going to dominate the list of top terror attacks even if their mean attack is quite low.

    The really retarded failed attempts at terrorism are frequent and just about 100% Muslim.

    Israel has an “Arab stabs random woman at bus stop, who survives, Arab then shot dead by police” news articles dozens of times a year.

    One failed attack involved a car bomb that did not detonate in Notre Dame de Paris.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Notre_Dame_de_Paris_DSC_0846w.jpg/759px-Notre_Dame_de_Paris_DSC_0846w.jpg

    This, in almost all other societies, if you’re a loser or have a long-standing grievance, it’s still a stretch to get violent or seek to go out with a bang. The only militia violence the Clinton government was able to find was what it created. The most likely course of action for a Western loser would be substance abuse or succumbing to tasteful anime connoiseurship. Whereas in Islam, by design and from day one, if you’ve got nothing else going for you, you can be a shahiyd. Your family will be taken care of like you couldn’t in your life (it’s like a more evil version of Death of a Salesman), and your reputation — in an honor society — will enjoy guaranteed status, permanently separated from your failures.

  44. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:

    Why Teutonic immigs aren’t burning schoolbuses to protest drowned Teutonic immigs:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-at-sea-rescue-jeans/german-yachtsman-inflates-trousers-to-survive-3-hours-in-sea-idUSKBN1QT0EN

    • Replies: @donut
    In USN bootcamp in 1970 they had us jump in a pool and do that .
  45. @Cortes
    The “day job” competence of the Iraqi “doctor” involved in the botched attack on Glasgow Airport in 2007

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_Airport_attack

    hasn’t ever been discussed in UK media, I believe.

    On Senegalese migrants in Italy, they invariably get a good write-up in the “Commissario Brunetti” Venetian novels of American Donna Leon.

    On Senegalese migrants in Italy, they invariably get a good write-up in the “Commissario Brunetti” Venetian novels of American Donna Leon.

    I didn’t know that, but she is a terrible writer as well as politically correct. I’ve only read one Donna Leon book and have no desire ever to open another. I couldn’t believe she has ever been to Venice, so poor is her sense of atmosphere.

    • Replies: @Alden
    I skimmed through about half on one Donna Leon book. It was awful. But it was very PC and that’s why it was published
  46. @Twinkie

    I’ve seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.
     
    That depends on which white faction wins, no? Or are you already assuming that the WN side will win?

    Or are you already assuming that the WN side will win?

    You aren’t? Jeez, Twinkie, try to be optimistic.

    Don’t fret, you and your kids are ‘honorary’ and will no doubt be ensconced up in the hills during the festivities, but I do worry that “attilathehen” might have The Derb’s home address. Derb, maintain that Mossy ffs! She bringin’ heat!

    • LOL: Clyde
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    You aren’t? Jeez, Twinkie, try to be optimistic.
     
    I think it was Machiavelli who wrote that "Wars begin when you will, but do not end when you please." Likewise, wars have a nasty habit of delivering catastrophes to those who are confident of their outcomes.
    , @Trevor H.
    Now now, cut attila some slack. Her first husband left her for some hot asian babe just because attila had put on a few pounds. Now was that nice?

    Granted, by the phrase "put on a few pounds" I actually mean "put on 90 lbs and went bat-shyt crazy" but still.

  47. @Cortes
    The “day job” competence of the Iraqi “doctor” involved in the botched attack on Glasgow Airport in 2007

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_Airport_attack

    hasn’t ever been discussed in UK media, I believe.

    On Senegalese migrants in Italy, they invariably get a good write-up in the “Commissario Brunetti” Venetian novels of American Donna Leon.

    Years ago I read one of Donna Leon’s books, and found it difficult to accept its existence, i.e. that something that bad was published on real paper and distributed to actual bookstores and libraries. But I recall very clearly that you’re right about her depictions of Africans. In the novel I read, the murder victim was an African street peddler, and it seemed most of the book comprised diatribes about racism aimed at stupid ignorant uncultured American hick readers.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    I take them as a subset of the “cosy crime” genre.

    All the goodies are impeccably cultured, beautiful people. Scorn is ladled thickly on the stupid, lower-grade members of the police (and society in general).

    The last couple I’ve read do feature discussions about the circumstances in which those cultured, attractive goodies feel somewhat obliged to misuse official data or not enforce the law. And don’t we love them all the more for their unsullied nobility of spirit!
  48. Zero coverage on the major new sites. Oh, and the bus driver is “Italian.”

  49. Clearly, the solution is more immigration.

  50. This heinous act that fortunately saw all the children escape with their lives, only illustrates the destructive folly of importing black Africans into Europe. The rampant stabbing murders in London is another example not to mention Somalian rape gangs in Malmo!
    There needs to be a total naval blockade in the Mediterranean to stop this invasion by African criminals.

    • Agree: Bruce County
  51. @Lot
    Muslims engage in such an extremely high rate of terrorism and explicitly racist violence, that they are going to dominate the list of top terror attacks even if their mean attack is quite low.

    The really retarded failed attempts at terrorism are frequent and just about 100% Muslim.

    Israel has an “Arab stabs random woman at bus stop, who survives, Arab then shot dead by police” news articles dozens of times a year.

    One failed attack involved a car bomb that did not detonate in Notre Dame de Paris.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Notre_Dame_de_Paris_DSC_0846w.jpg/759px-Notre_Dame_de_Paris_DSC_0846w.jpg

    The numbers are not really comparable. An American or Israeli with an homicidal urge can always simply join the official armed forces and then murder as much Muslims as he likes and his victims will be counted as terrorists or, at most, as civilians that had to be killed because bad terrorists used them as human shields or some such bullshit.

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)

    • Replies: @Pericles

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)

     

    Indeed, indeed.

    “Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse,” [General George] Casey said.

    President Barack Obama also mentioned military diversity in his Saturday radio address which was focused on Fort Hood. USA/

    Veterans Day is a chance to honor Americans who served in battlefields all over the world, Obama said. “They are Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and nonbelievers.”

    “They reflect the diversity that makes this America. But what they share is a patriotism like no other,” Obama said.

     

    http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/11/08/general-casey-diversity-shouldnt-be-casualty-of-fort-hood/
    , @Almost Missouri
    I've always thought that the USS Cole bombing was unfairly classified as a "terrorist attack". It was a warship, after all, and Al-Qaeda had declared war on the US (which is more than the US does to its adversaries nowadays, irrespective of how much ordinance we're going to drop). That the US hadn't noticed or taken seriously Al-Qaeda's declaration is on us, not them.

    Along with the lamentably increasing militarization of civilian police, there has been a lamentable civilian-ization of the military, e.g., they're not allowed to have their weapons most of the time, so no one can fight back when Major Hassan starts mass shooting.
    , @Federalist

    An American . . . with an homicidal urge can always simply join the official armed forces and then murder as much Muslims as he likes . . .
     
    Hardly. The U.S. military might kill a lot of Muslims, but the individual servicemen will find his opportunities in this regard very limited to nonexistent in the vast majority of cases.
  52. Anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:

    Italy is, of course, a land of massive long term unemployment. In no small part this due to the shitheaded economic policies pursued with such obstinate vigor by the EU high command.

    Whilst not being a fantastic job, school bus driving is not a particularly bad job either. One would have thought that very many impoverished jobless native Italians would have loved the opportunity to have had that job.

    It can be only concluded that woolly minded Italian bureaucrats, politicians and others are giving preferential treatment to ‘ethnic minorities’ either as ‘official policy’, or on the sly, as happens in the Anglo Saxon nations cringing Italians want to emulate.

    • Replies: @Kat Grey
    The transport company got him cheaply!
    , @Hidden Cat
    And he's got an ugly rap sheet. Sex assault and molestation. I haven't searched yet for details. Citizen since 2004.
  53. @Lot
    Muslims engage in such an extremely high rate of terrorism and explicitly racist violence, that they are going to dominate the list of top terror attacks even if their mean attack is quite low.

    The really retarded failed attempts at terrorism are frequent and just about 100% Muslim.

    Israel has an “Arab stabs random woman at bus stop, who survives, Arab then shot dead by police” news articles dozens of times a year.

    One failed attack involved a car bomb that did not detonate in Notre Dame de Paris.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Notre_Dame_de_Paris_DSC_0846w.jpg/759px-Notre_Dame_de_Paris_DSC_0846w.jpg

    The numbers are not really comparable. An American or Israeli with an homicidal urge can always simply join the official armed forces and then murder as much Muslims as he likes and his victims will be counted as terrorists or, at most, as civilians that had to be killed because bad terrorists used them as human shields or some such bullshit.

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)

    • Replies: @Lurker

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)
     
    And in the case of the Ft. Hood shooting said Muslim will be counted as 'white' in the crime stats.
    , @Ibound1
    The Ft Hood shooting was a “military target” by a member of that same military. Our military. The killer took an oath of loyalty to our country and killed his fellow soldiers

    That’s no “declaration of war” - if not “terror”, it’s treason worthy of the death penalty.

    And Americans with homicidal urges cannot just join the military to kill Muslims - what planet are you on? The US military is fully lawyered up against our own soldiers.

    And BTW, a Muslim that kills Americans is our enemy. Not an object of my sympathy.
  54. “Competence Gap” His mission as a terrorist was to terrorize Europeans, make the European ruling class seem not in control and to make Europe a failed state. He accomplished all three. Hard to place refugees are probably channeled into school bus driver jobs.

    Italian Senator Tony Iwobi says stop the invasion. The Northern League is not racist, it is realist.

    “Stop invasione” e “Aiutiamoli a casa loro”: gli slogan di Iwobi, senatore nero della Lega

    In other Euro news: Marseille falls apart: why is France’s second city crumbling?

    Marseille’s unique makeup… its diverse society is seen as symbol of modern France. … a lot of squalid properties run by slum landlords

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/21/marseille-falls-apart-why-is-frances-second-city-crumbling

    Roman Catholic, Muslim, Armenian Apostolic, Jewish,… 3rd largest urban population of Jewish people in all of Europe.

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/marseille-population/

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "its diverse society is seen as symbol of modern France"

    It IS a symbol of modern France, which is also falling apart.

    But it must be said that whenever you visit an old French town, especially in the south, you find streets of tall, crumbling buildings, paint on the shutters peeling, but still mostly inhabited. It's part of the charm of the place.

    Here's a property in a charming town at the foot of the Pyrenees.

    http://www.richardsonimmobilier.com/investissement-Pays-de-Sault-1284.cgi?00100LQUI1284P01=1&

    But they never seem to actually collapse - except in Marseilles.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    Your link to the Guardian purports to be about France, yet no French people are interviewed in the article.

    I am confused.
  55. @Jack Hanson
    I've seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.

    You can already see how Andrew Yang's reach out to everyone strategy is being derided as "racist" because it supports whites.

    We have had a black man (mocha Obama) so why not a Chinaman?

  56. Anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:

    The whole incident just shows the caliber of mind and character of typical black Africans – and why the Italians were mad to welcome them in the first place.

    Africans – whom no one invited or wanted or indeed requested to come – more or less *impose* themselves on the Italians by *voluntarily choosing to put themselves on unsafe craft* and then *choose to dump themselves in the sea* *in the hope* gullible soft headed fools will *’rescue’* them. In other words it’s a complete exercise in culpable personal recklessness, nothing more nothing less, just as the dead free-hand climber who fell off the skyscraper has no one but himself to blame.

    Italians came late to the massive black/brown immigration game. Not until the 1990s did Left/Economist governments sought to emulate northern Europeans in this regard. Charitably, all that can be surmised is that Italians were ignorant of the black African character. Alas, as always the case they will learn – but only when it’s too late.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    They were a colonial power - albeit briefly and poorly. They have no excuse for ignorance.
    , @Anonymous
    I understand that organised crime organisations bring them in, then make them work for no money (generally agricultural labor)
  57. If the guy was willing to go out with the kids it wouldn’t have taken more than the competence required to drive the bus off a cliff, bridge, whatever. That’s a pretty low bar — one that he could have easily cleared. Maybe where he failed was the decision to add a dramatic flair to his attempt at mass murder.

    Or, maybe, his heart wasn’t really in it. This is what I suspect.

    The opportunities for mayhem in technologically advanced societies are frighteningly abundant. The vulnerabilities inherent to the high energy systems we’ve constructed are so pervasive that I’ve concluded that people cannot possibly be as malicious as we tend to fear.

    If people were really as evil and bent on destruction as we often accuse them of being we’d all be in a heap of trouble, because “security” is for the most part an illusion. There’s no need to go into details, but just think of how much faith you put in that guy driving down the opposing lane of a two-lane highway with nothing between the two of you but a painted yellow line. Stuff like that, on a much bigger scale, is happening all around us pretty much all the time.

    So my take on it is not that it requires “competence” to deliberately commit horrible acts, but instead the ability to subordinate one’s natural human instincts to an idea. This is what comes more easily to white men.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  58. On the other hand the Nigerian Bros performed a competent phantom MAGA style beat down. And Jussie still owes them $500.
    Serious– I am glad that no harm came to the Italian school children.

  59. By the principles of affirmative action, TPTB might give him a walk to get another attempt or two in.

  60. @Anonymous
    Why Teutonic immigs aren't burning schoolbuses to protest drowned Teutonic immigs:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-at-sea-rescue-jeans/german-yachtsman-inflates-trousers-to-survive-3-hours-in-sea-idUSKBN1QT0EN

    In USN bootcamp in 1970 they had us jump in a pool and do that .

  61. @Cortes
    The “day job” competence of the Iraqi “doctor” involved in the botched attack on Glasgow Airport in 2007

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_Airport_attack

    hasn’t ever been discussed in UK media, I believe.

    On Senegalese migrants in Italy, they invariably get a good write-up in the “Commissario Brunetti” Venetian novels of American Donna Leon.

    On Senegalese migrants in Italy, they invariably get a good write-up in the “Commissario Brunetti” Venetian novels of American Donna Leon.

    Lol, this reminds me of a second-tier crime writer, Jassy MacKenzie of Johannesburg. The first book of her inevitable series, Random Violence, features a White woman and an Indian detective investigating a car jacking murder. Well, as is so often the case in SA, the car jacking perp turns out to be a White guy psycho … in fact, an albino White guy psycho. At that point, it was impossible to continue.

    Somewhat remarkably, I see in retrospect that the author page on Amazon states she “was inspired to write her first thriller, Random Violence, after being carjacked at gunpoint in her driveway.” Presumably by an albino?

  62. @Menschmaschine
    The numbers are not really comparable. An American or Israeli with an homicidal urge can always simply join the official armed forces and then murder as much Muslims as he likes and his victims will be counted as terrorists or, at most, as civilians that had to be killed because bad terrorists used them as human shields or some such bullshit.

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)

    Indeed, indeed.

    “Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse,” [General George] Casey said.

    President Barack Obama also mentioned military diversity in his Saturday radio address which was focused on Fort Hood. USA/

    Veterans Day is a chance to honor Americans who served in battlefields all over the world, Obama said. “They are Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and nonbelievers.”

    “They reflect the diversity that makes this America. But what they share is a patriotism like no other,” Obama said.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/talesfromthetrail/2009/11/08/general-casey-diversity-shouldnt-be-casualty-of-fort-hood/

  63. @Lot
    In France and Germany you see plenty of integrated Africans dressed in clean clothing and apparently employed.

    In Italy and Spain there are far fewer overall, they are nearly all male, and are almost always street peddlers, beggers, or devious looking loiterers.

    I think the difference is there is affirmative action and social pressure to hire Africans in Northern Europe, while in Southern Europe businesses avoid hiring them and Italians/Spanish jealously guard all the low-expectations government jobs for their own dimmer relatives.

    1. Since last few years, you see far more black street peddlers and criminals in France. In a few years, French-Africans and African-Americans will be indistinguishable.

    I think the difference is there is affirmative action and social pressure to hire Africans in Northern Europe

    2. There wasn’t a major affirmative action or social pressure to hire Africans in France. It’s changing now but it would hardly explain last few decades.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    I don't think France can have formal AA since they refuse to identify citizens by race.
  64. The teachers left some of the cable ties loose? Heroic defiance.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    Yes, either that or an irredeemably racist assault upon African migrant rights.

    I type the word "migrant" and my Android device suggests "workers" and "rights".

  65. @Neoconned
    Few years back I was thinking about the same thing Steve. Assumingof course McVeigh was a lone wolf nutand not the pasty of some Strassmeir led DOJ sting gone awry his death toll in comparison to the various clusterf**k Islamist attempts.

    Other than 9/11 I can't think of many islamoterror attacks that proved that lethal besides San Bernardino and the gay club slaughter in Florida.

    Well in Europe there were the various French attacks, and the London and Madrid train bombings....

    Right wing terrorists include the retard who shop up the black church in South Carolina, the various right wing terror bombings in Europe in the mid 70s thru mid 80s in particular Italy....

    Muslims espouse terror but don't seem terribly competent at it....now do they?

    They do better when the targets are other Moslems.

  66. @Twinkie

    I’ve seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.
     
    That depends on which white faction wins, no? Or are you already assuming that the WN side will win?

    I suspect the GoodWhites will have to destroy a lot of POC areas, regrettably, of course, to make sure they get all the BadWhites.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I suspect the GoodWhites will have to destroy a lot of POC areas, regrettably, of course, to make sure they get all the BadWhites.
     
    Nobody fights to the last man these days. Even Masada had a survivor.
    , @Jack Hanson
    The goodwhites are going to learn that it takes a lot of badwhites to maintain an empire.
  67. @larry lurker
    In his Joe Rogan appearance Yang talked about some study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points. I suspect he knows that this is unlikely, but the interesting thing is that he added: "That's almost a standard deviation!" This is someone who's done some reading on psychometrics...

    “In a surprising announcement, President Yang has nominated far-right internet commentator Steve Sailer to be HHS secretary”.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  68. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Or are you already assuming that the WN side will win?
     
    You aren’t? Jeez, Twinkie, try to be optimistic.

    Don’t fret, you and your kids are ‘honorary’ and will no doubt be ensconced up in the hills during the festivities, but I do worry that “attilathehen” might have The Derb’s home address. Derb, maintain that Mossy ffs! She bringin’ heat!

    You aren’t? Jeez, Twinkie, try to be optimistic.

    I think it was Machiavelli who wrote that “Wars begin when you will, but do not end when you please.” Likewise, wars have a nasty habit of delivering catastrophes to those who are confident of their outcomes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I think it was Machiavelli who wrote that “Wars begin when you will, but do not end when you please.” Likewise, wars have a nasty habit of delivering catastrophes to those who are confident of their outcomes.
     
    The outcome for that WN minority (about 0.05% of the population?) “getting ugly” will be swift and certain and they will be crushed mercilessly. But there will be no armed conflict. The U.S. will continue to degrade for another 40 years before it will no longer be able to act as a nation at which point 2060 China (which will then have expanded to include Japan, Korea, et al.) or 2060 Russia (which will then have expanded to include Baltics, Ukraine, Poland, et al.) will move in as an occupying power. And by then China and Russia will be majority Christian and the U.S. (and West) will be majority Muslim.
    , @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    In that case we're lucky that there are no people more smuggly confident in their eventual victory than anti-white progressives. But Yang's outreach strategy is actually very smart, once white disenfranchisement becomes acute then retaliation becomes inevitable, so he's trying to preempt that out of ethnic self interest.

    That being said the point is moot since he's not going to win the nomination and wouldn't be able to implement any of his plans anyway (which are inadequate for their purpose besides, social collapse isn't going to be stalled by a thousand bucks a month).
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I think it was Machiavelli who wrote …
     
    Prince Matchabelli
    “Vive la mort! Vive la guerre! Vive les Américains ordinaire!”

    Drakkar Noir
    “Feel The Power”
  69. @Redneck farmer
    I suspect the GoodWhites will have to destroy a lot of POC areas, regrettably, of course, to make sure they get all the BadWhites.

    I suspect the GoodWhites will have to destroy a lot of POC areas, regrettably, of course, to make sure they get all the BadWhites.

    Nobody fights to the last man these days. Even Masada had a survivor.

  70. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @larry lurker
    In his Joe Rogan appearance Yang talked about some study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points. I suspect he knows that this is unlikely, but the interesting thing is that he added: "That's almost a standard deviation!" This is someone who's done some reading on psychometrics...

    Yang talked about some study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points.

    So there is a correlation between financial hardship and IQ, and Yang things the correlation is that financial hardship causes low IQ? Generally the view has been that low IQ causes low socio-economic status, not the other way around.

    However, the current view is embodied in the fifth law of behavioral genetics, also known as finding 4 in Plomin’s “Top 10 Replicated Findings From Behavioral Genetics”: That underlying genetic factors mediate both outcomes. There is no causal relationship from one to the other.

    At an even deeper level, your overall general genetic fitness (minimal mutations and minimal developmental glitches in the womb) make all ships rise, including IQ and SES, and low fitness makes all ships sink.

    This understanding is behind the view that most of social science research to the present time is meaningless and needs a rethink and a redo, and about half of medical research is also fallacious. In general, any research that depended on eliminating confounds among traits and finding causation between traits is probably wrong.

  71. @newrouter
    "the various right wing terror bombings in Europe in the mid 70s thru mid 80s in particular Italy…."

    Who were the Baader-Meinhof gang?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6314559.stm

  72. @Twinkie

    I’ve seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.
     
    That depends on which white faction wins, no? Or are you already assuming that the WN side will win?

    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches.

    By and large these two subsets of the population are separate circles on a Venn diagram. You tell me how this ends. When the wheels come off this thing called America they’re gonna write about it for 1000 years.

    I get by your use of the perjorative “WN” you’re worried you’re gonna get caught up in the coming meat grinder, but you’re sweating needlessly and/or doing your thing where you gotta make the post about you and your specific, unique, personal circumstances.

    You don’t have to be “WN” to be tired of Weimar America, or of the imported foreign brahmin class who arrived on a boat last week telling us what an “American” is.

    Like Jenner said, you’re going to be fine.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    you’re worried you’re gonna get caught up in the coming meat grinder
     
    Stop projecting. That's so far down the list of things I worry about, something like #3058. Most of my worries revolve around making sure that my children are fed and educated and turn out to be virtuous Christian gentlemen and ladies.

    You don’t have to be “WN” to be tired of Weimar America, or of the imported foreign brahmin class who arrived on a boat last week telling us what an “American” is.
     
    True enough. And I certainly feel betrayed - and I know on which side I am going to fight if there were to be another civil war.

    But history is full of contingencies and reversals. People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren't prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds. They are malcontents and cranks, whose energies would be better spent living well and being worthy of emulation, which attracts others to their cause. Nobody follows cranky losers - even if they might be right about things.

    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches.
     
    That's probably what the old Confederates thought of their enemies before the war, that they were valiant warriors, the latter-day Spartans while their enemies were soft-handed capitalists and bookworms. That ended in tears for them. History, indeed, is full of tears of such men who contemptuously underestimated their opponents as more effete and softer than they were.

    The future is stochastic and, in any case, I (and all humans) have a flawed and limited view of even the present. So I follow this rule in life: things are rarely, if ever, as good as they seem when they are going well and they are also not as bad as they appear even when all seems lost. Both triumphalism and doomsterism are full of errors that lead men astray, but combining the two ("The country is going down! But my side and I are going to emerge on top!") is surely a sign of idiocy or insanity.
  73. @Redneck farmer
    I suspect the GoodWhites will have to destroy a lot of POC areas, regrettably, of course, to make sure they get all the BadWhites.

    The goodwhites are going to learn that it takes a lot of badwhites to maintain an empire.

  74. @istevefan

    The driver, an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin in his 40s, said he was protesting against migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, Commander Luca De Marchis told local TV. …
     
    Which means Italy will now come under even more pressure than before to take in migrants. After all if a guy was willing to kill kids over this issue, Italy must address it.

    Contrast this to when a nationalist commits an act of terror because of an issue, specifically that too many migrants are coming. Immediately calls are made to increase immigration to own the nationalist.

    If people were consistent, they'd be calling for not taking in any more migrants from the Mediterranean to own this guy who almost killed 51 innocent children. Instead it will be used to justify immigration on steroids.

    If people were consistent

    But they are consistent! Whatever happens, the solution is more third-world immigration.

  75. @RobUK
    The teachers left some of the cable ties loose? Heroic defiance.

    Yes, either that or an irredeemably racist assault upon African migrant rights.

    I type the word “migrant” and my Android device suggests “workers” and “rights”.

  76. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Or are you already assuming that the WN side will win?
     
    You aren’t? Jeez, Twinkie, try to be optimistic.

    Don’t fret, you and your kids are ‘honorary’ and will no doubt be ensconced up in the hills during the festivities, but I do worry that “attilathehen” might have The Derb’s home address. Derb, maintain that Mossy ffs! She bringin’ heat!

    Now now, cut attila some slack. Her first husband left her for some hot asian babe just because attila had put on a few pounds. Now was that nice?

    Granted, by the phrase “put on a few pounds” I actually mean “put on 90 lbs and went bat-shyt crazy” but still.

  77. @Hypnotoad666
    Another Afro-Italian who comes to mind is Ivory Coast immigrant, Rudy Guede, who murdered Amanda Knox's roommate, Meredith Kercher.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Rudy_Guede

    I have to wonder at the statistical crime rate of Black Italians. The only two I've ever heard of have both been murderers/attempted murders. So anecdotally they are batting 1.000 as far as I'm concerned.

    Kercher’s Indian-Jewish family still(!) blame white American Amanda Knox whilst ignoring the actual African perp Rudy Guede.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    In sort of the "exception that proves the rule" style of thinking, Ann Coulter's jihad against Amanda Knox is the one weird hang-up she has amongst a list of otherwise outstanding list of policy proscriptions.
  78. @Anonymous
    The whole incident just shows the caliber of mind and character of typical black Africans - and why the Italians were mad to welcome them in the first place.

    Africans - whom no one invited or wanted or indeed requested to come - more or less *impose* themselves on the Italians by *voluntarily choosing to put themselves on unsafe craft* and then *choose to dump themselves in the sea* *in the hope* gullible soft headed fools will *'rescue'* them. In other words it's a complete exercise in culpable personal recklessness, nothing more nothing less, just as the dead free-hand climber who fell off the skyscraper has no one but himself to blame.

    Italians came late to the massive black/brown immigration game. Not until the 1990s did Left/Economist governments sought to emulate northern Europeans in this regard. Charitably, all that can be surmised is that Italians were ignorant of the black African character. Alas, as always the case they will learn - but only when it's too late.

    They were a colonial power – albeit briefly and poorly. They have no excuse for ignorance.

  79. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    So he basically tried to murder 40 children, and targeted them because they were white, as revenge for, um, the fact that African choose to pile onto unsafe rickety boats and head to Europe. This should be a global news story equivalent to the New Zealand shooting, right?

    I would not even have known about this except it appeared here. Not even on Drudge, or FARK.

  80. @Menschmaschine
    The numbers are not really comparable. An American or Israeli with an homicidal urge can always simply join the official armed forces and then murder as much Muslims as he likes and his victims will be counted as terrorists or, at most, as civilians that had to be killed because bad terrorists used them as human shields or some such bullshit.

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)

    I’ve always thought that the USS Cole bombing was unfairly classified as a “terrorist attack”. It was a warship, after all, and Al-Qaeda had declared war on the US (which is more than the US does to its adversaries nowadays, irrespective of how much ordinance we’re going to drop). That the US hadn’t noticed or taken seriously Al-Qaeda’s declaration is on us, not them.

    Along with the lamentably increasing militarization of civilian police, there has been a lamentable civilian-ization of the military, e.g., they’re not allowed to have their weapons most of the time, so no one can fight back when Major Hassan starts mass shooting.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Good Points.

    When the other side does something equivalent to what we do it's always labeled as dirty pool.

    IED attacks against American military convoys in Iraq? Bad

    Shooting up Iraqis in Iraq with a vulcan cannon from a half-mile away? Good

    Using a truck-bomb to blow up a barracks? Bad

    Using a laser-guided bomb to blow up a barracks? Good
  81. @larry lurker
    In his Joe Rogan appearance Yang talked about some study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points. I suspect he knows that this is unlikely, but the interesting thing is that he added: "That's almost a standard deviation!" This is someone who's done some reading on psychometrics...

    He’s definitely done a Deep Think on this.

  82. @Clifford Brown
    Yang's campaign slogan is Humanity First.

    The best part is that it has been memed into an anti-robot, anti-android, anti-Terminator slogan. I thoroughly endorse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8br3K_cIWZ0&index=5&list=PLBCm-hHGvopCjBTyjrs_1myU-axpe9zAu

    Yang has been meme’d into a viable candidate while Drimph plays Boomer Uncle on Twitter.

  83. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Years ago I read one of Donna Leon's books, and found it difficult to accept its existence, i.e. that something that bad was published on real paper and distributed to actual bookstores and libraries. But I recall very clearly that you're right about her depictions of Africans. In the novel I read, the murder victim was an African street peddler, and it seemed most of the book comprised diatribes about racism aimed at stupid ignorant uncultured American hick readers.

    I take them as a subset of the “cosy crime” genre.

    All the goodies are impeccably cultured, beautiful people. Scorn is ladled thickly on the stupid, lower-grade members of the police (and society in general).

    The last couple I’ve read do feature discussions about the circumstances in which those cultured, attractive goodies feel somewhat obliged to misuse official data or not enforce the law. And don’t we love them all the more for their unsullied nobility of spirit!

  84. @Neoconned
    Few years back I was thinking about the same thing Steve. Assumingof course McVeigh was a lone wolf nutand not the pasty of some Strassmeir led DOJ sting gone awry his death toll in comparison to the various clusterf**k Islamist attempts.

    Other than 9/11 I can't think of many islamoterror attacks that proved that lethal besides San Bernardino and the gay club slaughter in Florida.

    Well in Europe there were the various French attacks, and the London and Madrid train bombings....

    Right wing terrorists include the retard who shop up the black church in South Carolina, the various right wing terror bombings in Europe in the mid 70s thru mid 80s in particular Italy....

    Muslims espouse terror but don't seem terribly competent at it....now do they?

    Don’t forget Hassan Nidal. Of course, he had the benefit of U.S. Army training and on-base no-carry restrictions. Apparently he’s due to be executed soon.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Hassan literally showed the Army a powerpoint presentation explaining how Jihad really works and spelling out what was going to happen. The Army's response was to let the attack happen. There's a lot of griping about powerpoint presentations in the military but when one's audience fails to grasp information like that it really is time to read Tufte.
    , @Simply Simon
    "Apparently he's due to be executed soon."

    I don't believe that will happen. The Fort Hood massacre has all but disappeared from the news.
    The shootings took place in 2008 and he was court-martialed and given the death sentence, but even after eleven years I do not believe he has exhausted all his rights to appeal. When the sentence was handed down I thought he would not be executed in my life time. I am ninety now and I expect he will be alive if I reach one hundred. Hasan was able to enter a building with a large assembly of unarmed troops. In cost-cutting measures Ft.Hood had replaced Military Police with civilian guards, Unfortunately one of the guards did not shoot to kill.
  85. Exhibit A for prog terrorist incompetence: the Weather Underground’s blowing themselves up in Greenwich Village in 1970:

    https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/weather-underground-bombings

    • Agree: Mark G.
  86. @Menschmaschine
    The numbers are not really comparable. An American or Israeli with an homicidal urge can always simply join the official armed forces and then murder as much Muslims as he likes and his victims will be counted as terrorists or, at most, as civilians that had to be killed because bad terrorists used them as human shields or some such bullshit.

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)

    And in the case of the Ft. Hood shooting said Muslim will be counted as ‘white’ in the crime stats.

  87. @brioche
    1. Since last few years, you see far more black street peddlers and criminals in France. In a few years, French-Africans and African-Americans will be indistinguishable.

    I think the difference is there is affirmative action and social pressure to hire Africans in Northern Europe

     

    2. There wasn't a major affirmative action or social pressure to hire Africans in France. It's changing now but it would hardly explain last few decades.

    I don’t think France can have formal AA since they refuse to identify citizens by race.

  88. How come the FBI has a tape of this interview who it said it had no recording of the interview in which its people murdered the witness to the life of the alleged Boston Bombers?

  89. His name reminds me of this:

  90. @songbird
    I believe they said he had an Italian wife too - difficult to interpret that.

    “I believe they said he had an Italian wife too – difficult to interpret that.”

    “What is good in life?”

  91. @Lot
    In France and Germany you see plenty of integrated Africans dressed in clean clothing and apparently employed.

    In Italy and Spain there are far fewer overall, they are nearly all male, and are almost always street peddlers, beggers, or devious looking loiterers.

    I think the difference is there is affirmative action and social pressure to hire Africans in Northern Europe, while in Southern Europe businesses avoid hiring them and Italians/Spanish jealously guard all the low-expectations government jobs for their own dimmer relatives.

    Could it be the ones in Northern Europe are a subset of the ones in the South – the ones who have the wit and grit to go further north? Reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_African_in_Greenland

  92. @George
    "Competence Gap" His mission as a terrorist was to terrorize Europeans, make the European ruling class seem not in control and to make Europe a failed state. He accomplished all three. Hard to place refugees are probably channeled into school bus driver jobs.

    Italian Senator Tony Iwobi says stop the invasion. The Northern League is not racist, it is realist.

    "Stop invasione" e "Aiutiamoli a casa loro": gli slogan di Iwobi, senatore nero della Lega
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh3XyDmCJvA

    In other Euro news: Marseille falls apart: why is France's second city crumbling?

    Marseille’s unique makeup... its diverse society is seen as symbol of modern France. ... a lot of squalid properties run by slum landlords

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/21/marseille-falls-apart-why-is-frances-second-city-crumbling

    Roman Catholic, Muslim, Armenian Apostolic, Jewish,... 3rd largest urban population of Jewish people in all of Europe.

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/marseille-population/

    “its diverse society is seen as symbol of modern France”

    It IS a symbol of modern France, which is also falling apart.

    But it must be said that whenever you visit an old French town, especially in the south, you find streets of tall, crumbling buildings, paint on the shutters peeling, but still mostly inhabited. It’s part of the charm of the place.

    Here’s a property in a charming town at the foot of the Pyrenees.

    http://www.richardsonimmobilier.com/investissement-Pays-de-Sault-1284.cgi?00100LQUI1284P01=1&

    But they never seem to actually collapse – except in Marseilles.

  93. @Menschmaschine
    The numbers are not really comparable. An American or Israeli with an homicidal urge can always simply join the official armed forces and then murder as much Muslims as he likes and his victims will be counted as terrorists or, at most, as civilians that had to be killed because bad terrorists used them as human shields or some such bullshit.

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)

    The Ft Hood shooting was a “military target” by a member of that same military. Our military. The killer took an oath of loyalty to our country and killed his fellow soldiers

    That’s no “declaration of war” – if not “terror”, it’s treason worthy of the death penalty.

    And Americans with homicidal urges cannot just join the military to kill Muslims – what planet are you on? The US military is fully lawyered up against our own soldiers.

    And BTW, a Muslim that kills Americans is our enemy. Not an object of my sympathy.

  94. According to the Daily Mail, he was still hired as a bus driver despite convictions for drunk driving and molesting a minor. That must be some background check system they run for school bus drivers in Italy.

  95. Competence is indeed key, but luck plays a part. This incident could have gone way, way worse, given that the miscreant, and thus the scene, remained mobile, so any response would have to be “on the fly”. That he was alone was fortunate, as the necessity of driving precluded going all stabby and incendiary prematurely.

    Multiple assailants complicate matters exponentially. A million years ago I was so fortunate as to attend my then employer’s inaugural Ship’s Self Defense Force course, during which we practiced “the Loyada drill”, simultaneously engaging five hostiles intermingled with thirty or so hostages. Five black and thirty white helium balloons were tethered in a group downrange, and five riflemen, equipped with headsets and throat mikes, receiving instructions from their coordinator, set up a hundred yards away (this being the maximum for that firing range- if memory serves the distance for the real deal was circa 200 meters). We were firing over iron sights, and what you’re aiming at is closer to the size of a fist, so those factors about canceled each other out. Even a gentle breeze kept the balloons moving, trading places randomly. The five shooters verbally indicated over the net whether they were on or off , keeping a constant patter of the shooter’s number and on/off. When the coordinator heard only “on”, which could take some time to attain, he gave the order to fire. It took a third attempt to not pop any white ones, but then again, we weren’t GIGN, or even 13e DBLE, we were seaborne filling station attendants and submarine trackers.

    Now, from the woke as f–k 2019 perspective, this is all just so evil. No, not the terrorizing of the little huh-white French chilluns, who I am sure had it coming for some reason or other, it’s the use of the black balloons. Not to mention the loss of the approximately 10,000 potential inhabitants of the Twin Cities which the 1976 deaths of those five fine gents kept from being born. We are all doubtless the poorer for their passing.

    For further info on Loyada: http://foreignlegion.info/1976-loyada-hostage-rescue-mission/

  96. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    You aren’t? Jeez, Twinkie, try to be optimistic.
     
    I think it was Machiavelli who wrote that "Wars begin when you will, but do not end when you please." Likewise, wars have a nasty habit of delivering catastrophes to those who are confident of their outcomes.

    I think it was Machiavelli who wrote that “Wars begin when you will, but do not end when you please.” Likewise, wars have a nasty habit of delivering catastrophes to those who are confident of their outcomes.

    The outcome for that WN minority (about 0.05% of the population?) “getting ugly” will be swift and certain and they will be crushed mercilessly. But there will be no armed conflict. The U.S. will continue to degrade for another 40 years before it will no longer be able to act as a nation at which point 2060 China (which will then have expanded to include Japan, Korea, et al.) or 2060 Russia (which will then have expanded to include Baltics, Ukraine, Poland, et al.) will move in as an occupying power. And by then China and Russia will be majority Christian and the U.S. (and West) will be majority Muslim.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    So my Christian grandchildren will welcome the occupation.
  97. @istevefan

    The driver, an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin in his 40s, said he was protesting against migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, Commander Luca De Marchis told local TV. …
     
    Which means Italy will now come under even more pressure than before to take in migrants. After all if a guy was willing to kill kids over this issue, Italy must address it.

    Contrast this to when a nationalist commits an act of terror because of an issue, specifically that too many migrants are coming. Immediately calls are made to increase immigration to own the nationalist.

    If people were consistent, they'd be calling for not taking in any more migrants from the Mediterranean to own this guy who almost killed 51 innocent children. Instead it will be used to justify immigration on steroids.

    Luckily the Italians have this minister named Salvini…

  98. @Almost Missouri
    I've always thought that the USS Cole bombing was unfairly classified as a "terrorist attack". It was a warship, after all, and Al-Qaeda had declared war on the US (which is more than the US does to its adversaries nowadays, irrespective of how much ordinance we're going to drop). That the US hadn't noticed or taken seriously Al-Qaeda's declaration is on us, not them.

    Along with the lamentably increasing militarization of civilian police, there has been a lamentable civilian-ization of the military, e.g., they're not allowed to have their weapons most of the time, so no one can fight back when Major Hassan starts mass shooting.

    Good Points.

    When the other side does something equivalent to what we do it’s always labeled as dirty pool.

    IED attacks against American military convoys in Iraq? Bad

    Shooting up Iraqis in Iraq with a vulcan cannon from a half-mile away? Good

    Using a truck-bomb to blow up a barracks? Bad

    Using a laser-guided bomb to blow up a barracks? Good

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    Yeah, I don't disagree, but I also don't really begrudge our leaders disparaging the enemy's use of force even though, as you point out, it's gotten to look pretty threadbare. The natural thing to do when you enjoy a tremendous advantage in conventional arms is to disparage unconventional arms.

    What bothers me more is the effect on our own side of rampant "civilianization". These sailors were serving on a warship in waters along the territory of forces who had done us the courtesy of declaring war on us. Yet when they get hit by those very forces, we call it a "terrorist attack" and those sailors "victims".

    What's next? Ambulance chasing lawyers showing up and demanding civil damages? Oh wait, they already do that...

    https://www.mayerbrown.com/-/media/files/perspectives-events/events/2017/03/antiterrorism-act-and-jasta-what-they-mean-for-you/files/presentation-slides/fileattachment/170328-wdc-webinar-lit-me-jasta-slides.pdf

    So militarization of the police means a police sniper blows away your harmless wife and baby but faces no consequences. While civilization of the military means that our "armed" forces can't be armed enough to fight a lone pistolero in the barracks or take sufficient preventive measures in hostile waters, leading to inevitable but preventable casualties. Whenever there is a lose-lose solution to a situation, our leaders unerringly find it.
  99. @Twinkie

    You aren’t? Jeez, Twinkie, try to be optimistic.
     
    I think it was Machiavelli who wrote that "Wars begin when you will, but do not end when you please." Likewise, wars have a nasty habit of delivering catastrophes to those who are confident of their outcomes.

    In that case we’re lucky that there are no people more smuggly confident in their eventual victory than anti-white progressives. But Yang’s outreach strategy is actually very smart, once white disenfranchisement becomes acute then retaliation becomes inevitable, so he’s trying to preempt that out of ethnic self interest.

    That being said the point is moot since he’s not going to win the nomination and wouldn’t be able to implement any of his plans anyway (which are inadequate for their purpose besides, social collapse isn’t going to be stalled by a thousand bucks a month).

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    But Yang’s outreach strategy is actually very smart, once white disenfranchisement becomes acute then retaliation becomes inevitable, so he’s trying to preempt that out of ethnic self interest.
     
    WN accelerationist fantasy + projection.
  100. @larry lurker
    In his Joe Rogan appearance Yang talked about some study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points. I suspect he knows that this is unlikely, but the interesting thing is that he added: "That's almost a standard deviation!" This is someone who's done some reading on psychometrics...

    . . . study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points.

    Not IQ.

    But perhaps one’s ability to operate
    at levels that used to be rather easy

    “brains” squeezed down to nothing
    much like one’s financial situation

    Cutting tooth-paste tubes in half
    to squeeze out the last little bit,

    to maintain one’s good clean breath
    and be looking as good as ever

    should a REAL JOB interview opportunity
    ever again materialize in one’s lost life

  101. @Anon
    Thank Yahweh for that gap, because that's virtually the only thing the West still has going for it.

    That’s what makes the immivasion so frustrating. We are not being conquered by a superior force. We are being conquered by retrogrades assisted by our own leadership using our taxes.

    • Agree: bomag
  102. @Dr. X

    ... an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin
     
    I think we have the textbook definition of "oxymoron" right here...

    … an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin

    I think we have the textbook definition of “oxymoron” right here…

    Exactly Dr. X. The very concept is as appalling as the sight of these black “Italians”.

    It’s one thing to hear this “nation of immigrants” crap in the the US, but to see it ooze out from the US and infect other Western nations with their particular, precious national peoples is criminal.

  103. @Menschmaschine
    The numbers are not really comparable. An American or Israeli with an homicidal urge can always simply join the official armed forces and then murder as much Muslims as he likes and his victims will be counted as terrorists or, at most, as civilians that had to be killed because bad terrorists used them as human shields or some such bullshit.

    A Muslim that kills Americans or Israelis, in contrast, will be counted as a terrorist, even if the target is of a military nature (e.g. Fort Hood shooting)

    An American . . . with an homicidal urge can always simply join the official armed forces and then murder as much Muslims as he likes . . .

    Hardly. The U.S. military might kill a lot of Muslims, but the individual servicemen will find his opportunities in this regard very limited to nonexistent in the vast majority of cases.

  104. Italy’s interior ministry said in a statement that the driver had been previously caught driving while drunk and had sexually assaulted a minor.

    Yet he was employed as the driver of a school bus!

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6834559/Pictured-Senegalese-man-torched-Italian-school-bus.html

  105. Steve publish my comments.

  106. @Jack Hanson
    I've seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.

    You can already see how Andrew Yang's reach out to everyone strategy is being derided as "racist" because it supports whites.

    Yang says multiculturalism has never worked anywhere but wants more immigration. He is anti-white.

  107. The driver, an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin in his 40s, said he was protesting against migrant deaths in the Mediterranean

    Translation: He’s upset that Italy hasn’t let more of his relatives in even though Italy let him in.

  108. @Anonymous
    Italy is, of course, a land of massive long term unemployment. In no small part this due to the shitheaded economic policies pursued with such obstinate vigor by the EU high command.

    Whilst not being a fantastic job, school bus driving is not a particularly bad job either. One would have thought that very many impoverished jobless native Italians would have loved the opportunity to have had that job.

    It can be only concluded that woolly minded Italian bureaucrats, politicians and others are giving preferential treatment to 'ethnic minorities' either as 'official policy', or on the sly, as happens in the Anglo Saxon nations cringing Italians want to emulate.

    The transport company got him cheaply!

  109. @Twinkie

    You aren’t? Jeez, Twinkie, try to be optimistic.
     
    I think it was Machiavelli who wrote that "Wars begin when you will, but do not end when you please." Likewise, wars have a nasty habit of delivering catastrophes to those who are confident of their outcomes.

    I think it was Machiavelli who wrote …

    Prince Matchabelli
    “Vive la mort! Vive la guerre! Vive les Américains ordinaire!”

    Drakkar Noir
    “Feel The Power”

  110. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    So he basically tried to murder 40 children, and targeted them because they were white, as revenge for, um, the fact that African choose to pile onto unsafe rickety boats and head to Europe. This should be a global news story equivalent to the New Zealand shooting, right?

    Oh no…they’re just WHITE children, so they don’t “count”.

  111. Steve: Did you see this in the NYT? He forgot to talk about declining IQ brought about by dumb people from third world countries.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/opinion/new-zealand-great-replacement.html

    “The Great Replacement” is a racist and misogynistic conspiracy theory that holds that white people face existential decline, even extinction, because of rising immigration in the West and falling birthrates among white women (caused, of course, by feminism).

    That’s pretty much the whole argument; as a bit of rhetoric, the theory is about as deep as the one pushed by flat-earthers, though without that group’s scientific rigor. White people are not going extinct. As a group, they are only maybe, possibly, becoming a smaller share of the population in the United States and Europe — but how much smaller is a wide-open question among demographers, because the future is unknowable and demography is an imprecise science.

  112. Anonymous[518] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve: Did you see this in the NYT? He forgot to talk about declining IQ brought about by dumb people from third world countries.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/opinion/new-zealand-great-replacement.html

    “The Great Replacement” is a racist and misogynistic conspiracy theory that holds that white people face existential decline, even extinction, because of rising immigration in the West and falling birthrates among white women (caused, of course, by feminism).

    That’s pretty much the whole argument; as a bit of rhetoric, the theory is about as deep as the one pushed by flat-earthers, though without that group’s scientific rigor. White people are not going extinct. As a group, they are only maybe, possibly, becoming a smaller share of the population in the United States and Europe — but how much smaller is a wide-open question among demographers, because the future is unknowable and demography is an imprecise science.

  113. @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    In that case we're lucky that there are no people more smuggly confident in their eventual victory than anti-white progressives. But Yang's outreach strategy is actually very smart, once white disenfranchisement becomes acute then retaliation becomes inevitable, so he's trying to preempt that out of ethnic self interest.

    That being said the point is moot since he's not going to win the nomination and wouldn't be able to implement any of his plans anyway (which are inadequate for their purpose besides, social collapse isn't going to be stalled by a thousand bucks a month).

    But Yang’s outreach strategy is actually very smart, once white disenfranchisement becomes acute then retaliation becomes inevitable, so he’s trying to preempt that out of ethnic self interest.

    WN accelerationist fantasy + projection.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Handwaving.txt

    Referring to Core Americans as "WN" is an amazing tell of your own prejudices there, Twinkie. Are you All American Patriot Assassin or Devoted Asian Partisan this week on your iSteve LARP?

    The guy who's go to is to assume everyone is projecting...projecting. What a shocker.

    , @Jack Hanson
    Handwaving.txt

    Referring to Core Americans as “WN” is an amazing tell of your own prejudices there, Twinkie. Are you All American Patriot Assassin or Devoted Asian Partisan this week on your iSteve LARP?

    The guy who’s go to is to assume everyone is projecting…projecting. What a shocker.
  114. “He must have threatened and scared the teachers to get them to bind the children’s hands.”

    Still disgusting. No excuse for giving into this.

  115. @Jack Hanson
    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches.

    By and large these two subsets of the population are separate circles on a Venn diagram. You tell me how this ends. When the wheels come off this thing called America they're gonna write about it for 1000 years.

    I get by your use of the perjorative "WN" you're worried you're gonna get caught up in the coming meat grinder, but you're sweating needlessly and/or doing your thing where you gotta make the post about you and your specific, unique, personal circumstances.

    You don't have to be "WN" to be tired of Weimar America, or of the imported foreign brahmin class who arrived on a boat last week telling us what an "American" is.

    Like Jenner said, you're going to be fine.

    you’re worried you’re gonna get caught up in the coming meat grinder

    Stop projecting. That’s so far down the list of things I worry about, something like #3058. Most of my worries revolve around making sure that my children are fed and educated and turn out to be virtuous Christian gentlemen and ladies.

    You don’t have to be “WN” to be tired of Weimar America, or of the imported foreign brahmin class who arrived on a boat last week telling us what an “American” is.

    True enough. And I certainly feel betrayed – and I know on which side I am going to fight if there were to be another civil war.

    But history is full of contingencies and reversals. People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren’t prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds. They are malcontents and cranks, whose energies would be better spent living well and being worthy of emulation, which attracts others to their cause. Nobody follows cranky losers – even if they might be right about things.

    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches.

    That’s probably what the old Confederates thought of their enemies before the war, that they were valiant warriors, the latter-day Spartans while their enemies were soft-handed capitalists and bookworms. That ended in tears for them. History, indeed, is full of tears of such men who contemptuously underestimated their opponents as more effete and softer than they were.

    The future is stochastic and, in any case, I (and all humans) have a flawed and limited view of even the present. So I follow this rule in life: things are rarely, if ever, as good as they seem when they are going well and they are also not as bad as they appear even when all seems lost. Both triumphalism and doomsterism are full of errors that lead men astray, but combining the two (“The country is going down! But my side and I are going to emerge on top!”) is surely a sign of idiocy or insanity.

    • Agree: Lot, Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Lot
    Very well stated all around. However...

    “People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren’t prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds.”

    Hansen’s Turner Diaries dark fantasy isn’t going to happen.

    Other prophets of a more gradual and less fiery doom are likely completely right.

    Lebanon gradually went from christian to muslim majority. There was some fighting and not a complete surrender. But, overall, our guys lost and mostly fled.

    The very based and well armed and organized white SAs gave up peacefully.

    The California peacefully is passing to non-white majority.

    Brazil with nukes and NE Asians and even more spectacular gated islands of superwealth is not the worst case, but still feels kinda dark to me.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Who said anything about assured victories other than you? That being said the current situation between 1860 and 2019 are so far extreme that to try and draw comparisons of personnel, logistics, etc are ridiculous. Only God knows what is to come, and as far as history knows He hasn't been kind to empires bent on infanticide.

    Who are going to suffer the most? Grandmas on dialysis and children in the NICU when the power goes out. No one wants that, but ignoring the hell world that is barreling towards us is foolish. You think the coming Leviathan is going to let you live a virtous life as a Christian gentleman (Lmao)? Okay bro. You see things getting better, really? You see yourself not being bothered by a State that demands you live as an atomized individual consumer unit Or Else?

    If I'm a crank you've got your head up your ass with how bad it really is. Guess we will just have to pity each other over the distance of the internet. Oh well.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    People harboring dark fantasies of American doom
     
    “Dark” and “doom” is your misleading framing of Jack’s warning. He seems upbeat, or at least constructively open to, a possible kinetic correction to “Weimar America”— although he also isn’t painting it as an easy cakewalk. You are the FUD doomster in this scenario, ceaselessly moaning that the carnage and uncertain outcome in such a hypothetical would be regretfully terrible…

    Now for many families and individuals, sure—there would be terrible losses. But big picture, whichever ‘side’ wins (especially if the loser is soundly vanquished) would likely feel triumphant vindication—or at the very least, relief that their rivals are dead or subjugated/converted. Surviving gun-shy fence sitters would no doubt continue to be sad and confused.

    That’s probably what the old Confederates thought of their enemies before the war, that they were valiant warriors, the latter-day Spartans while their enemies were soft-handed capitalists and bookworms. That ended in tears for them.
     
    “Ended in tears’” is rather melodramatic. Yeah, there was a war and many on both sides died, but bested Dixie carried on, some might say with more than a bit of ‘Southern Pride’ intact—not least because they did fight. And Dixie’s white descendants to this day are a thorn in the side of left-wing statists who’ve been stymied at the ballot box every now and again.

    They are malcontents and cranks … Nobody follows cranky losers …
     
    The above epithets remind me of this condescending, complacent harpy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCHJVE9trSM
    , @Anonymous
    I believe Northerners outnumbered Southerners four-to-one?
    , @Jack Hanson
    Who said anything about assured victories other than you? That being said the current situation between 1860 and 2019 are so far extreme that to try and draw comparisons of personnel, logistics, etc are ridiculous. Only God knows what is to come, and as far as history knows He hasn’t been kind to empires bent on infanticide.

    Who are going to suffer the most? Grandmas on dialysis and children in the NICU when the power goes out. No one wants that, but ignoring the hell world that is barreling towards us is foolish. You think the coming Leviathan is going to let you live a virtous life as a Christian gentleman (Lmao)? Okay bro. You see things getting better, really? You see yourself not being bothered by a State that demands you live as an atomized individual consumer unit Or Else? Whew.

    If I’m a crank you’ve got your head up your ass with how bad it really is. Guess we will just have to pity each other over the distance of the internet. Oh well.
  116. @Percy Gryce
    Don't forget Hassan Nidal. Of course, he had the benefit of U.S. Army training and on-base no-carry restrictions. Apparently he's due to be executed soon.

    Hassan literally showed the Army a powerpoint presentation explaining how Jihad really works and spelling out what was going to happen. The Army’s response was to let the attack happen. There’s a lot of griping about powerpoint presentations in the military but when one’s audience fails to grasp information like that it really is time to read Tufte.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    I love Tufte. I took his seminar about a decade ago. I'm not in a quantitative field, so he's harder to apply, but I always look for opportunities to do so.
  117. @Anon
    Thank Yahweh for that gap, because that's virtually the only thing the West still has going for it.

    Incompetence may be a sort of aptitude. S.h*t-hole A.ptitude T.est?

  118. Competence Gap: Homeless African 8 yo wins kiddy division of NYC chess tournament, beats kids that go to schools mommy and daddy pay big bucks for them to attend.

    8-year-old living in homeless shelter wins New York chess championship: ‘I want to be the youngest grandmaster’
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/18/homeless-boy-nigerian-refugee-wins-new-york-state-chess-championship/3199959002/

    Names of other kiddies imply competition included Asian and Jewish kiddies with a white kiddy or two. https://nyssc-197622.appspot.com/web/pcc_Standings.html

    From getting elected to the house of representatives and taking on Zionist trope government to defending the honor of the public school system African immigrants are making waves.

  119. @Anonymous

    I think it was Machiavelli who wrote that “Wars begin when you will, but do not end when you please.” Likewise, wars have a nasty habit of delivering catastrophes to those who are confident of their outcomes.
     
    The outcome for that WN minority (about 0.05% of the population?) “getting ugly” will be swift and certain and they will be crushed mercilessly. But there will be no armed conflict. The U.S. will continue to degrade for another 40 years before it will no longer be able to act as a nation at which point 2060 China (which will then have expanded to include Japan, Korea, et al.) or 2060 Russia (which will then have expanded to include Baltics, Ukraine, Poland, et al.) will move in as an occupying power. And by then China and Russia will be majority Christian and the U.S. (and West) will be majority Muslim.

    So my Christian grandchildren will welcome the occupation.

  120. The guy was convicted of DWI and CHILD MOLESTATION—but that’s not an “employment-related issue”, per the AP:

    “Prosecutors confirmed that Sy, who became an Italian citizen in 2004, had been convicted in 2007 and 2011 of drunken driving and sexual molestation of a minor. Sky TG24 said that the driver had worked for the bus company for 15 years without any employment-related issues.”

    Hard to imagine what could be more disqualifying. Perhaps tying up the children and burning them is not strictly an “employment-related issue” either—it certainly wasn’t in his job description…

    It’s not just that the 3rd world has come to Italy—Italy has become the 3rd world.

  121. @J.Ross
    Earlier reports were very confused, possibly by journalists trying to paint as sympathetic a picture of the marauding alien as possible, but it's abundantly clear that this was a standard terrorist/bank robbery scene impelled by the credible threat of violence, and saved from worse violence by the carabinieri.
    He must have threatened and scared the teachers to get them to bind the children's hands. He must have deceived people to get the materials into place. He must have planned this in advance.

    I saw a France 24 report. Film showed the bus moving erratically, narrative said he ran red lights. A small mass of adults were running after the bus. Which I think is why, once he lit fire to the bus, the crowd was able to pull children out of the bus. Thankfully.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Wait, information is missing, how did they know something was wrong seeing an immigrant drive like that?
  122. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The whole incident just shows the caliber of mind and character of typical black Africans - and why the Italians were mad to welcome them in the first place.

    Africans - whom no one invited or wanted or indeed requested to come - more or less *impose* themselves on the Italians by *voluntarily choosing to put themselves on unsafe craft* and then *choose to dump themselves in the sea* *in the hope* gullible soft headed fools will *'rescue'* them. In other words it's a complete exercise in culpable personal recklessness, nothing more nothing less, just as the dead free-hand climber who fell off the skyscraper has no one but himself to blame.

    Italians came late to the massive black/brown immigration game. Not until the 1990s did Left/Economist governments sought to emulate northern Europeans in this regard. Charitably, all that can be surmised is that Italians were ignorant of the black African character. Alas, as always the case they will learn - but only when it's too late.

    I understand that organised crime organisations bring them in, then make them work for no money (generally agricultural labor)

  123. @Anonymous
    Italy is, of course, a land of massive long term unemployment. In no small part this due to the shitheaded economic policies pursued with such obstinate vigor by the EU high command.

    Whilst not being a fantastic job, school bus driving is not a particularly bad job either. One would have thought that very many impoverished jobless native Italians would have loved the opportunity to have had that job.

    It can be only concluded that woolly minded Italian bureaucrats, politicians and others are giving preferential treatment to 'ethnic minorities' either as 'official policy', or on the sly, as happens in the Anglo Saxon nations cringing Italians want to emulate.

    And he’s got an ugly rap sheet. Sex assault and molestation. I haven’t searched yet for details. Citizen since 2004.

  124. @Twinkie

    you’re worried you’re gonna get caught up in the coming meat grinder
     
    Stop projecting. That's so far down the list of things I worry about, something like #3058. Most of my worries revolve around making sure that my children are fed and educated and turn out to be virtuous Christian gentlemen and ladies.

    You don’t have to be “WN” to be tired of Weimar America, or of the imported foreign brahmin class who arrived on a boat last week telling us what an “American” is.
     
    True enough. And I certainly feel betrayed - and I know on which side I am going to fight if there were to be another civil war.

    But history is full of contingencies and reversals. People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren't prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds. They are malcontents and cranks, whose energies would be better spent living well and being worthy of emulation, which attracts others to their cause. Nobody follows cranky losers - even if they might be right about things.

    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches.
     
    That's probably what the old Confederates thought of their enemies before the war, that they were valiant warriors, the latter-day Spartans while their enemies were soft-handed capitalists and bookworms. That ended in tears for them. History, indeed, is full of tears of such men who contemptuously underestimated their opponents as more effete and softer than they were.

    The future is stochastic and, in any case, I (and all humans) have a flawed and limited view of even the present. So I follow this rule in life: things are rarely, if ever, as good as they seem when they are going well and they are also not as bad as they appear even when all seems lost. Both triumphalism and doomsterism are full of errors that lead men astray, but combining the two ("The country is going down! But my side and I are going to emerge on top!") is surely a sign of idiocy or insanity.

    Very well stated all around. However…

    “People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren’t prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds.”

    Hansen’s Turner Diaries dark fantasy isn’t going to happen.

    Other prophets of a more gradual and less fiery doom are likely completely right.

    Lebanon gradually went from christian to muslim majority. There was some fighting and not a complete surrender. But, overall, our guys lost and mostly fled.

    The very based and well armed and organized white SAs gave up peacefully.

    The California peacefully is passing to non-white majority.

    Brazil with nukes and NE Asians and even more spectacular gated islands of superwealth is not the worst case, but still feels kinda dark to me.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Racial conflict on the scale of the Eastern Front 1943 is inevitable.

    Open Borders plus free healthcare for illegals plus Social Security plus Affirmative Action runs out of money fast. Newsome is now demanding six months car registration and 200% increase in fees to pay for free illegal health care.

    The only way it pencils out is seizing all White property, killing the older ones and enslaving the rest in Chinese style work camp.

    Elizabeth Warren is already proposing this. She wants to set up internment camps for WN. Meaning White people it makes money to enslave.

    The White mans eternal and natural enemy is the White woman.

    Warren and Harris are boycotting AIPAC. It's AOCs party now. Or more accurately Chakrabarti.
    , @Jack Hanson
    Lot still unable to move past "Turner Diaries" shows he has zero understanding of whats coming down the pipe.
    , @Twinkie

    Lebanon gradually went from christian to muslim majority. There was some fighting and not a complete surrender. But, overall, our guys lost and mostly fled.
     
    They weren't "our" guys. They were Israel's guys. And Israel screwed that up royally. With different choices, there still might be a large (if not majority) and robust Christian political faction in Lebanon today.

    Brazil with nukes and NE Asians and even more spectacular gated islands of superwealth is not the worst case, but still feels kinda dark to me.
     
    I think the chance of us being Brazil North is rather remote even though that is a fate often predicted by doomsters.

    Ours is not a country with a tiny elite fraction and lots of favela-dwellers. In the past thirty years, our elite population has grown dramatically. The problem is that this trend has coincided with the increasing immiseration of the middle class, especially the lower middle class. We are most likely not going to be Brazil - if the present trends were to hold, we are going to be a country with a large upper class and somewhat larger lower class. And, no, that is not a good prospect either as far as I am concerned, but it is hardly Brazil.
  125. @GermanReader2
    A few years ago, Ben Kurtz made the observation, that you can pretty accurately guess the race/ethnicity of a shooter by looking at the ratio between wounded and killed.

    -When the killed/wounded ratio exceeds at least 2 (two killed for each wounded) the perpetrator is either white or Asian
    -When the killed/wounded ratio is around 1, then the shooter either is an Arab or a Hispanic
    -When the killed wounded ratio is 1/3 and lower, the shooter is black.
    (The only blacks, who have a high killed/wounded ratio are military-trained (like the cop-killer in Baton Rouge)
    https://benkurtzblog.wordpress.com/2016/07/28/florida-nightclubs/

    A few years ago, Ben Kurtz made the observation, that you can pretty accurately guess the race/ethnicity of a shooter by looking at the ratio between wounded and killed.

    We do something similar in regards to trying to accurately guess the race/ethnicity of a criminal in the USA based upon media reports. For example, if we hear a story about a customer at McDonalds complaining that the food was bad, and then they jumped behind the counter to thrash the sales clerk, we know the perpetrator was black.

  126. @Lot
    Very well stated all around. However...

    “People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren’t prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds.”

    Hansen’s Turner Diaries dark fantasy isn’t going to happen.

    Other prophets of a more gradual and less fiery doom are likely completely right.

    Lebanon gradually went from christian to muslim majority. There was some fighting and not a complete surrender. But, overall, our guys lost and mostly fled.

    The very based and well armed and organized white SAs gave up peacefully.

    The California peacefully is passing to non-white majority.

    Brazil with nukes and NE Asians and even more spectacular gated islands of superwealth is not the worst case, but still feels kinda dark to me.

    Racial conflict on the scale of the Eastern Front 1943 is inevitable.

    Open Borders plus free healthcare for illegals plus Social Security plus Affirmative Action runs out of money fast. Newsome is now demanding six months car registration and 200% increase in fees to pay for free illegal health care.

    The only way it pencils out is seizing all White property, killing the older ones and enslaving the rest in Chinese style work camp.

    Elizabeth Warren is already proposing this. She wants to set up internment camps for WN. Meaning White people it makes money to enslave.

    The White mans eternal and natural enemy is the White woman.

    Warren and Harris are boycotting AIPAC. It’s AOCs party now. Or more accurately Chakrabarti.

  127. @Dr. X

    ... an Italian citizen of Senegalese origin
     
    I think we have the textbook definition of "oxymoron" right here...

    Agreed. Nevertheless, it sure beats the headline “ITALIAN bus driver…”.

  128. @George
    "Competence Gap" His mission as a terrorist was to terrorize Europeans, make the European ruling class seem not in control and to make Europe a failed state. He accomplished all three. Hard to place refugees are probably channeled into school bus driver jobs.

    Italian Senator Tony Iwobi says stop the invasion. The Northern League is not racist, it is realist.

    "Stop invasione" e "Aiutiamoli a casa loro": gli slogan di Iwobi, senatore nero della Lega
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh3XyDmCJvA

    In other Euro news: Marseille falls apart: why is France's second city crumbling?

    Marseille’s unique makeup... its diverse society is seen as symbol of modern France. ... a lot of squalid properties run by slum landlords

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/21/marseille-falls-apart-why-is-frances-second-city-crumbling

    Roman Catholic, Muslim, Armenian Apostolic, Jewish,... 3rd largest urban population of Jewish people in all of Europe.

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/marseille-population/

    Your link to the Guardian purports to be about France, yet no French people are interviewed in the article.

    I am confused.

  129. @Jack Hanson
    I've seen it said Andrew Yang comprehend that when the wheels come off America, once the whites get done settling the hash amongst themselves its going to get ugly for minorities really fast.

    You can already see how Andrew Yang's reach out to everyone strategy is being derided as "racist" because it supports whites.

    Has anybody ever done a “gun ownership by race” survey?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    I'm sure there's one going around.
  130. @Hidden Cat
    I saw a France 24 report. Film showed the bus moving erratically, narrative said he ran red lights. A small mass of adults were running after the bus. Which I think is why, once he lit fire to the bus, the crowd was able to pull children out of the bus. Thankfully.

    Wait, information is missing, how did they know something was wrong seeing an immigrant drive like that?

  131. anon[187] • Disclaimer says:

    OT. “Comedy” Central Competence Gap: Australian Jim Jefferies – and human representation of Foster’s Beer: Much Advertised but Bland and Tasteless – Outsmarted by Arab-looking Christian guy. Jefferies was caught claiming Muslims eat dogs in hidden camera footage. The guy tried getting his interviewee to say racist things by saying racist things himself. After the New Zealand shooting, Jefferies dug up the interview and edited it to looked like the victim supported it….but unknown to Jefferies, he was being recorded the entire time.

  132. @Lot
    Very well stated all around. However...

    “People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren’t prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds.”

    Hansen’s Turner Diaries dark fantasy isn’t going to happen.

    Other prophets of a more gradual and less fiery doom are likely completely right.

    Lebanon gradually went from christian to muslim majority. There was some fighting and not a complete surrender. But, overall, our guys lost and mostly fled.

    The very based and well armed and organized white SAs gave up peacefully.

    The California peacefully is passing to non-white majority.

    Brazil with nukes and NE Asians and even more spectacular gated islands of superwealth is not the worst case, but still feels kinda dark to me.

    Lot still unable to move past “Turner Diaries” shows he has zero understanding of whats coming down the pipe.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Enlighten us then. What specific things? You’re always vague and metaphorical, like “wheels coming off Weimer America.”

    Weimer featured hyperinflation, mass unemployment of war veterans, national defeat bankruptcy and humiliation, millions of refugees from formerly German lands, and all major political parties with private armies that were larger than the government’s army. How’s America like that?

    Good to see you disclaim Turner Diaries predictions. Some don’t however, and you’re never specific.

    Personally I am more worried about a Carrington event in the next 20 years than political violence.
  133. @Twinkie

    you’re worried you’re gonna get caught up in the coming meat grinder
     
    Stop projecting. That's so far down the list of things I worry about, something like #3058. Most of my worries revolve around making sure that my children are fed and educated and turn out to be virtuous Christian gentlemen and ladies.

    You don’t have to be “WN” to be tired of Weimar America, or of the imported foreign brahmin class who arrived on a boat last week telling us what an “American” is.
     
    True enough. And I certainly feel betrayed - and I know on which side I am going to fight if there were to be another civil war.

    But history is full of contingencies and reversals. People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren't prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds. They are malcontents and cranks, whose energies would be better spent living well and being worthy of emulation, which attracts others to their cause. Nobody follows cranky losers - even if they might be right about things.

    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches.
     
    That's probably what the old Confederates thought of their enemies before the war, that they were valiant warriors, the latter-day Spartans while their enemies were soft-handed capitalists and bookworms. That ended in tears for them. History, indeed, is full of tears of such men who contemptuously underestimated their opponents as more effete and softer than they were.

    The future is stochastic and, in any case, I (and all humans) have a flawed and limited view of even the present. So I follow this rule in life: things are rarely, if ever, as good as they seem when they are going well and they are also not as bad as they appear even when all seems lost. Both triumphalism and doomsterism are full of errors that lead men astray, but combining the two ("The country is going down! But my side and I are going to emerge on top!") is surely a sign of idiocy or insanity.

    Who said anything about assured victories other than you? That being said the current situation between 1860 and 2019 are so far extreme that to try and draw comparisons of personnel, logistics, etc are ridiculous. Only God knows what is to come, and as far as history knows He hasn’t been kind to empires bent on infanticide.

    Who are going to suffer the most? Grandmas on dialysis and children in the NICU when the power goes out. No one wants that, but ignoring the hell world that is barreling towards us is foolish. You think the coming Leviathan is going to let you live a virtous life as a Christian gentleman (Lmao)? Okay bro. You see things getting better, really? You see yourself not being bothered by a State that demands you live as an atomized individual consumer unit Or Else?

    If I’m a crank you’ve got your head up your ass with how bad it really is. Guess we will just have to pity each other over the distance of the internet. Oh well.

  134. @Neoconned
    Few years back I was thinking about the same thing Steve. Assumingof course McVeigh was a lone wolf nutand not the pasty of some Strassmeir led DOJ sting gone awry his death toll in comparison to the various clusterf**k Islamist attempts.

    Other than 9/11 I can't think of many islamoterror attacks that proved that lethal besides San Bernardino and the gay club slaughter in Florida.

    Well in Europe there were the various French attacks, and the London and Madrid train bombings....

    Right wing terrorists include the retard who shop up the black church in South Carolina, the various right wing terror bombings in Europe in the mid 70s thru mid 80s in particular Italy....

    Muslims espouse terror but don't seem terribly competent at it....now do they?

    I assume this is taking the piss:

    “the various right wing terror bombings in Europe in the mid 70s thru mid 80s in particular Italy….”

    Have you honestly never heard of Operation Gladio?

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    I know of Gladio...and the general consensus was these terrorists were CIA trained in case of a Soviet invasion....the terrorist groups were just loose cannons and their CIA handlers couldn't control them....
  135. It may be true the 9/11 hijackers were Arabs. However it was a rather intelligent White novelist who wrote about such an attack in 1994. Tom Clancy’s Debt of Honor

  136. @Twinkie

    But Yang’s outreach strategy is actually very smart, once white disenfranchisement becomes acute then retaliation becomes inevitable, so he’s trying to preempt that out of ethnic self interest.
     
    WN accelerationist fantasy + projection.

    Handwaving.txt

    Referring to Core Americans as “WN” is an amazing tell of your own prejudices there, Twinkie. Are you All American Patriot Assassin or Devoted Asian Partisan this week on your iSteve LARP?

    The guy who’s go to is to assume everyone is projecting…projecting. What a shocker.

  137. @Bill Jones
    Has anybody ever done a "gun ownership by race" survey?

    I’m sure there’s one going around.

  138. Move this story to Denver, make the bus driver a “white supremacist” and it’s got MAJOR MOTION PICTURE written all over it. It’s Speed meets Pelham 123 by way of Die Hard. Or whatever.

    That the media won’t play such a wild story says it all about what they’ve become. I’d be begging for this thing if I was putting together Page 1.

  139. @Percy Gryce
    Don't forget Hassan Nidal. Of course, he had the benefit of U.S. Army training and on-base no-carry restrictions. Apparently he's due to be executed soon.

    “Apparently he’s due to be executed soon.”

    I don’t believe that will happen. The Fort Hood massacre has all but disappeared from the news.
    The shootings took place in 2008 and he was court-martialed and given the death sentence, but even after eleven years I do not believe he has exhausted all his rights to appeal. When the sentence was handed down I thought he would not be executed in my life time. I am ninety now and I expect he will be alive if I reach one hundred. Hasan was able to enter a building with a large assembly of unarmed troops. In cost-cutting measures Ft.Hood had replaced Military Police with civilian guards, Unfortunately one of the guards did not shoot to kill.

  140. @Twinkie

    you’re worried you’re gonna get caught up in the coming meat grinder
     
    Stop projecting. That's so far down the list of things I worry about, something like #3058. Most of my worries revolve around making sure that my children are fed and educated and turn out to be virtuous Christian gentlemen and ladies.

    You don’t have to be “WN” to be tired of Weimar America, or of the imported foreign brahmin class who arrived on a boat last week telling us what an “American” is.
     
    True enough. And I certainly feel betrayed - and I know on which side I am going to fight if there were to be another civil war.

    But history is full of contingencies and reversals. People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren't prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds. They are malcontents and cranks, whose energies would be better spent living well and being worthy of emulation, which attracts others to their cause. Nobody follows cranky losers - even if they might be right about things.

    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches.
     
    That's probably what the old Confederates thought of their enemies before the war, that they were valiant warriors, the latter-day Spartans while their enemies were soft-handed capitalists and bookworms. That ended in tears for them. History, indeed, is full of tears of such men who contemptuously underestimated their opponents as more effete and softer than they were.

    The future is stochastic and, in any case, I (and all humans) have a flawed and limited view of even the present. So I follow this rule in life: things are rarely, if ever, as good as they seem when they are going well and they are also not as bad as they appear even when all seems lost. Both triumphalism and doomsterism are full of errors that lead men astray, but combining the two ("The country is going down! But my side and I are going to emerge on top!") is surely a sign of idiocy or insanity.

    People harboring dark fantasies of American doom

    “Dark” and “doom” is your misleading framing of Jack’s warning. He seems upbeat, or at least constructively open to, a possible kinetic correction to “Weimar America”— although he also isn’t painting it as an easy cakewalk. You are the FUD doomster in this scenario, ceaselessly moaning that the carnage and uncertain outcome in such a hypothetical would be regretfully terrible…

    Now for many families and individuals, sure—there would be terrible losses. But big picture, whichever ‘side’ wins (especially if the loser is soundly vanquished) would likely feel triumphant vindication—or at the very least, relief that their rivals are dead or subjugated/converted. Surviving gun-shy fence sitters would no doubt continue to be sad and confused.

    That’s probably what the old Confederates thought of their enemies before the war, that they were valiant warriors, the latter-day Spartans while their enemies were soft-handed capitalists and bookworms. That ended in tears for them.

    “Ended in tears’” is rather melodramatic. Yeah, there was a war and many on both sides died, but bested Dixie carried on, some might say with more than a bit of ‘Southern Pride’ intact—not least because they did fight. And Dixie’s white descendants to this day are a thorn in the side of left-wing statists who’ve been stymied at the ballot box every now and again.

    They are malcontents and cranks … Nobody follows cranky losers …

    The above epithets remind me of this condescending, complacent harpy:

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Twinkie conviently ignores the North came hat in hand to the South begging them to fight the future wars post Civil War.

    So much for "soundly vanquished".

    Also I've got Steve sitting on my posts, probably because his son Lot waddled into the fray, uninvited and unasked.
    , @Lot
    “a possible kinetic correction to “Weimar America””

    I admit that it can be fun to game these scenarios out. But what do you think the chance of political violence killing more than 5000 Americans, or a coup, in any of the next ten years?

    I’d say 1% is on the high side.

    The UK has gone since 1688 without such an event, though 1832 there was a small chance of another fairly bloodless revolution.

    Moreover, the right has all the guns, and the current political system has a large number of anti-Democratic features favoring the right, especially the Senate and electoral college.
  141. @Lot
    Very well stated all around. However...

    “People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren’t prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds.”

    Hansen’s Turner Diaries dark fantasy isn’t going to happen.

    Other prophets of a more gradual and less fiery doom are likely completely right.

    Lebanon gradually went from christian to muslim majority. There was some fighting and not a complete surrender. But, overall, our guys lost and mostly fled.

    The very based and well armed and organized white SAs gave up peacefully.

    The California peacefully is passing to non-white majority.

    Brazil with nukes and NE Asians and even more spectacular gated islands of superwealth is not the worst case, but still feels kinda dark to me.

    Lebanon gradually went from christian to muslim majority. There was some fighting and not a complete surrender. But, overall, our guys lost and mostly fled.

    They weren’t “our” guys. They were Israel’s guys. And Israel screwed that up royally. With different choices, there still might be a large (if not majority) and robust Christian political faction in Lebanon today.

    Brazil with nukes and NE Asians and even more spectacular gated islands of superwealth is not the worst case, but still feels kinda dark to me.

    I think the chance of us being Brazil North is rather remote even though that is a fate often predicted by doomsters.

    Ours is not a country with a tiny elite fraction and lots of favela-dwellers. In the past thirty years, our elite population has grown dramatically. The problem is that this trend has coincided with the increasing immiseration of the middle class, especially the lower middle class. We are most likely not going to be Brazil – if the present trends were to hold, we are going to be a country with a large upper class and somewhat larger lower class. And, no, that is not a good prospect either as far as I am concerned, but it is hardly Brazil.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Brazil is... Brazil. It's a strange and unique country that has little in common with any other state.

    For one thing, Brazil is majority black/mulatto. There's nothing like that in North America outside of a few regions of the old Confederacy.
    , @Lot
    “if the present trends were to hold”

    Present trends are:

    White population about to start terminal decline

    Majority non-white under 10 population

    Rapid and increasingly uncontrolled third world migration

    High levels of legal migration

    The next Democrat president will likely executive amnesty and Merkel a million central Americans

    The sudden and extremely rapid growth of the Somali population will be the model for a much larger Nigerian one.

    I’d agree that even with all this, large parts of the USA will still be nice and highly functional places. The same
    is true of Brazil.
    , @Johann Ricke

    They weren’t “our” guys. They were Israel’s guys. And Israel screwed that up royally. With different choices, there still might be a large (if not majority) and robust Christian political faction in Lebanon today.
     
    I can't believe the Israelis abandoned the SLA. Gotta wonder about their rationale.
    , @Lot
    “And Israel screwed that up royally.”

    Israel should have done more, I agree. The Lebanese Christians also engaged in a lot of senseless violent in-fighting.

    But protecting Lebanon’s Christians was traditionally France’s job, to a lesser extant Russia and England, and the USA as a successor of England.

    The recent losses of Lebanon, Kosovo, and northern Cyprus to Christiandom is a political and moral disaster with a lot of blame to go around.
  142. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    you’re worried you’re gonna get caught up in the coming meat grinder
     
    Stop projecting. That's so far down the list of things I worry about, something like #3058. Most of my worries revolve around making sure that my children are fed and educated and turn out to be virtuous Christian gentlemen and ladies.

    You don’t have to be “WN” to be tired of Weimar America, or of the imported foreign brahmin class who arrived on a boat last week telling us what an “American” is.
     
    True enough. And I certainly feel betrayed - and I know on which side I am going to fight if there were to be another civil war.

    But history is full of contingencies and reversals. People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren't prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds. They are malcontents and cranks, whose energies would be better spent living well and being worthy of emulation, which attracts others to their cause. Nobody follows cranky losers - even if they might be right about things.

    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches.
     
    That's probably what the old Confederates thought of their enemies before the war, that they were valiant warriors, the latter-day Spartans while their enemies were soft-handed capitalists and bookworms. That ended in tears for them. History, indeed, is full of tears of such men who contemptuously underestimated their opponents as more effete and softer than they were.

    The future is stochastic and, in any case, I (and all humans) have a flawed and limited view of even the present. So I follow this rule in life: things are rarely, if ever, as good as they seem when they are going well and they are also not as bad as they appear even when all seems lost. Both triumphalism and doomsterism are full of errors that lead men astray, but combining the two ("The country is going down! But my side and I are going to emerge on top!") is surely a sign of idiocy or insanity.

    I believe Northerners outnumbered Southerners four-to-one?

  143. Steve you boomer stop sitting on my posts.

  144. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    People harboring dark fantasies of American doom
     
    “Dark” and “doom” is your misleading framing of Jack’s warning. He seems upbeat, or at least constructively open to, a possible kinetic correction to “Weimar America”— although he also isn’t painting it as an easy cakewalk. You are the FUD doomster in this scenario, ceaselessly moaning that the carnage and uncertain outcome in such a hypothetical would be regretfully terrible…

    Now for many families and individuals, sure—there would be terrible losses. But big picture, whichever ‘side’ wins (especially if the loser is soundly vanquished) would likely feel triumphant vindication—or at the very least, relief that their rivals are dead or subjugated/converted. Surviving gun-shy fence sitters would no doubt continue to be sad and confused.

    That’s probably what the old Confederates thought of their enemies before the war, that they were valiant warriors, the latter-day Spartans while their enemies were soft-handed capitalists and bookworms. That ended in tears for them.
     
    “Ended in tears’” is rather melodramatic. Yeah, there was a war and many on both sides died, but bested Dixie carried on, some might say with more than a bit of ‘Southern Pride’ intact—not least because they did fight. And Dixie’s white descendants to this day are a thorn in the side of left-wing statists who’ve been stymied at the ballot box every now and again.

    They are malcontents and cranks … Nobody follows cranky losers …
     
    The above epithets remind me of this condescending, complacent harpy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCHJVE9trSM

    Twinkie conviently ignores the North came hat in hand to the South begging them to fight the future wars post Civil War.

    So much for “soundly vanquished”.

    Also I’ve got Steve sitting on my posts, probably because his son Lot waddled into the fray, uninvited and unasked.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Also I’ve got Steve sitting on my posts
     
    No probalo, mang! I’ll check later and see what gets through.
    , @Twinkie

    Twinkie conviently ignores the North came hat in hand to the South begging them to fight the future wars post Civil War.

    So much for “soundly vanquished”.
     
    Great success, being the most economically distressed region for decades and giving up its sons as cannon fodder. For over a hundred years, it was obvious who won and who lost.

    You might read some history. After the loss in the Civil War, the South was devastated economically, culturally, and morally, and its people suffered mightily. And it remained the most backward region in the country for decades, and only recovered in the post-industrial era. Like I wrote, tears. Lots of it.

    And yet it did recover and has experienced greater relative economic and population growth than the erstwhile victor, that was unimaginable after that defeat. As I wrote, contingencies and reversals of history.
  145. Anonymous[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Lebanon gradually went from christian to muslim majority. There was some fighting and not a complete surrender. But, overall, our guys lost and mostly fled.
     
    They weren't "our" guys. They were Israel's guys. And Israel screwed that up royally. With different choices, there still might be a large (if not majority) and robust Christian political faction in Lebanon today.

    Brazil with nukes and NE Asians and even more spectacular gated islands of superwealth is not the worst case, but still feels kinda dark to me.
     
    I think the chance of us being Brazil North is rather remote even though that is a fate often predicted by doomsters.

    Ours is not a country with a tiny elite fraction and lots of favela-dwellers. In the past thirty years, our elite population has grown dramatically. The problem is that this trend has coincided with the increasing immiseration of the middle class, especially the lower middle class. We are most likely not going to be Brazil - if the present trends were to hold, we are going to be a country with a large upper class and somewhat larger lower class. And, no, that is not a good prospect either as far as I am concerned, but it is hardly Brazil.

    Brazil is… Brazil. It’s a strange and unique country that has little in common with any other state.

    For one thing, Brazil is majority black/mulatto. There’s nothing like that in North America outside of a few regions of the old Confederacy.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    For one thing, Brazil is majority black/mulatto. There’s nothing like that in North America outside of a few regions of the old Confederacy.
     
    And part-black Brazilians think of themselves as white, on top of which they (black, white and mixed alike) don't really think much about race at all. Which is why government policy is race neutral, just like Japan's, despite Brazil's heterogeneity.
  146. @Jack Hanson
    Twinkie conviently ignores the North came hat in hand to the South begging them to fight the future wars post Civil War.

    So much for "soundly vanquished".

    Also I've got Steve sitting on my posts, probably because his son Lot waddled into the fray, uninvited and unasked.

    Also I’ve got Steve sitting on my posts

    No probalo, mang! I’ll check later and see what gets through.

  147. @Twinkie

    Lebanon gradually went from christian to muslim majority. There was some fighting and not a complete surrender. But, overall, our guys lost and mostly fled.
     
    They weren't "our" guys. They were Israel's guys. And Israel screwed that up royally. With different choices, there still might be a large (if not majority) and robust Christian political faction in Lebanon today.

    Brazil with nukes and NE Asians and even more spectacular gated islands of superwealth is not the worst case, but still feels kinda dark to me.
     
    I think the chance of us being Brazil North is rather remote even though that is a fate often predicted by doomsters.

    Ours is not a country with a tiny elite fraction and lots of favela-dwellers. In the past thirty years, our elite population has grown dramatically. The problem is that this trend has coincided with the increasing immiseration of the middle class, especially the lower middle class. We are most likely not going to be Brazil - if the present trends were to hold, we are going to be a country with a large upper class and somewhat larger lower class. And, no, that is not a good prospect either as far as I am concerned, but it is hardly Brazil.

    “if the present trends were to hold”

    Present trends are:

    White population about to start terminal decline

    Majority non-white under 10 population

    Rapid and increasingly uncontrolled third world migration

    High levels of legal migration

    The next Democrat president will likely executive amnesty and Merkel a million central Americans

    The sudden and extremely rapid growth of the Somali population will be the model for a much larger Nigerian one.

    I’d agree that even with all this, large parts of the USA will still be nice and highly functional places. The same
    is true of Brazil.

  148. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    People harboring dark fantasies of American doom
     
    “Dark” and “doom” is your misleading framing of Jack’s warning. He seems upbeat, or at least constructively open to, a possible kinetic correction to “Weimar America”— although he also isn’t painting it as an easy cakewalk. You are the FUD doomster in this scenario, ceaselessly moaning that the carnage and uncertain outcome in such a hypothetical would be regretfully terrible…

    Now for many families and individuals, sure—there would be terrible losses. But big picture, whichever ‘side’ wins (especially if the loser is soundly vanquished) would likely feel triumphant vindication—or at the very least, relief that their rivals are dead or subjugated/converted. Surviving gun-shy fence sitters would no doubt continue to be sad and confused.

    That’s probably what the old Confederates thought of their enemies before the war, that they were valiant warriors, the latter-day Spartans while their enemies were soft-handed capitalists and bookworms. That ended in tears for them.
     
    “Ended in tears’” is rather melodramatic. Yeah, there was a war and many on both sides died, but bested Dixie carried on, some might say with more than a bit of ‘Southern Pride’ intact—not least because they did fight. And Dixie’s white descendants to this day are a thorn in the side of left-wing statists who’ve been stymied at the ballot box every now and again.

    They are malcontents and cranks … Nobody follows cranky losers …
     
    The above epithets remind me of this condescending, complacent harpy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCHJVE9trSM

    “a possible kinetic correction to “Weimar America””

    I admit that it can be fun to game these scenarios out. But what do you think the chance of political violence killing more than 5000 Americans, or a coup, in any of the next ten years?

    I’d say 1% is on the high side.

    The UK has gone since 1688 without such an event, though 1832 there was a small chance of another fairly bloodless revolution.

    Moreover, the right has all the guns, and the current political system has a large number of anti-Democratic features favoring the right, especially the Senate and electoral college.

  149. @Twinkie

    Lebanon gradually went from christian to muslim majority. There was some fighting and not a complete surrender. But, overall, our guys lost and mostly fled.
     
    They weren't "our" guys. They were Israel's guys. And Israel screwed that up royally. With different choices, there still might be a large (if not majority) and robust Christian political faction in Lebanon today.

    Brazil with nukes and NE Asians and even more spectacular gated islands of superwealth is not the worst case, but still feels kinda dark to me.
     
    I think the chance of us being Brazil North is rather remote even though that is a fate often predicted by doomsters.

    Ours is not a country with a tiny elite fraction and lots of favela-dwellers. In the past thirty years, our elite population has grown dramatically. The problem is that this trend has coincided with the increasing immiseration of the middle class, especially the lower middle class. We are most likely not going to be Brazil - if the present trends were to hold, we are going to be a country with a large upper class and somewhat larger lower class. And, no, that is not a good prospect either as far as I am concerned, but it is hardly Brazil.

    They weren’t “our” guys. They were Israel’s guys. And Israel screwed that up royally. With different choices, there still might be a large (if not majority) and robust Christian political faction in Lebanon today.

    I can’t believe the Israelis abandoned the SLA. Gotta wonder about their rationale.

  150. @Jack Hanson
    Twinkie conviently ignores the North came hat in hand to the South begging them to fight the future wars post Civil War.

    So much for "soundly vanquished".

    Also I've got Steve sitting on my posts, probably because his son Lot waddled into the fray, uninvited and unasked.

    Twinkie conviently ignores the North came hat in hand to the South begging them to fight the future wars post Civil War.

    So much for “soundly vanquished”.

    Great success, being the most economically distressed region for decades and giving up its sons as cannon fodder. For over a hundred years, it was obvious who won and who lost.

    You might read some history. After the loss in the Civil War, the South was devastated economically, culturally, and morally, and its people suffered mightily. And it remained the most backward region in the country for decades, and only recovered in the post-industrial era. Like I wrote, tears. Lots of it.

    And yet it did recover and has experienced greater relative economic and population growth than the erstwhile victor, that was unimaginable after that defeat. As I wrote, contingencies and reversals of history.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    You might take your own advice and stop projecting, realising by the time of the Spanish American War the US was begging the South to carry its water and fight its wars again.

    The entire "South as the third world" history is much more complicated than you, running to doom and gloom, makes it seem. The South lost yet managed to keep a distinct culture for decades afterwards, produce a number of talented individuals, and thrive but was a backwards hellscape because what exactly? They didn't have factories for a while? Lol yeah okay.
    , @res
    Twinkie, it might help Jack calibrate to revisit this comment of yours: http://www.unz.com/isteve/will-new-york-become-a-chinese-dominated-city/#comment-3103447
  151. @J.Ross
    Hassan literally showed the Army a powerpoint presentation explaining how Jihad really works and spelling out what was going to happen. The Army's response was to let the attack happen. There's a lot of griping about powerpoint presentations in the military but when one's audience fails to grasp information like that it really is time to read Tufte.

    I love Tufte. I took his seminar about a decade ago. I’m not in a quantitative field, so he’s harder to apply, but I always look for opportunities to do so.

    • Agree: Bill Jones
  152. @Twinkie

    Twinkie conviently ignores the North came hat in hand to the South begging them to fight the future wars post Civil War.

    So much for “soundly vanquished”.
     
    Great success, being the most economically distressed region for decades and giving up its sons as cannon fodder. For over a hundred years, it was obvious who won and who lost.

    You might read some history. After the loss in the Civil War, the South was devastated economically, culturally, and morally, and its people suffered mightily. And it remained the most backward region in the country for decades, and only recovered in the post-industrial era. Like I wrote, tears. Lots of it.

    And yet it did recover and has experienced greater relative economic and population growth than the erstwhile victor, that was unimaginable after that defeat. As I wrote, contingencies and reversals of history.

    You might take your own advice and stop projecting, realising by the time of the Spanish American War the US was begging the South to carry its water and fight its wars again.

    The entire “South as the third world” history is much more complicated than you, running to doom and gloom, makes it seem. The South lost yet managed to keep a distinct culture for decades afterwards, produce a number of talented individuals, and thrive but was a backwards hellscape because what exactly? They didn’t have factories for a while? Lol yeah okay.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    begging
     
    You mean like this:

    Steve you boomer stop sitting on my posts.
     
    Somebody should have taught you in grade school that insulting people makes it less likely for them to accede to your begging tantrums.

    Try thanking him once in a while for his “boomer” courtesy.
  153. @Twinkie

    you’re worried you’re gonna get caught up in the coming meat grinder
     
    Stop projecting. That's so far down the list of things I worry about, something like #3058. Most of my worries revolve around making sure that my children are fed and educated and turn out to be virtuous Christian gentlemen and ladies.

    You don’t have to be “WN” to be tired of Weimar America, or of the imported foreign brahmin class who arrived on a boat last week telling us what an “American” is.
     
    True enough. And I certainly feel betrayed - and I know on which side I am going to fight if there were to be another civil war.

    But history is full of contingencies and reversals. People harboring dark fantasies of American doom aren't prophets they imagine themselves to be in their minds. They are malcontents and cranks, whose energies would be better spent living well and being worthy of emulation, which attracts others to their cause. Nobody follows cranky losers - even if they might be right about things.

    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches.
     
    That's probably what the old Confederates thought of their enemies before the war, that they were valiant warriors, the latter-day Spartans while their enemies were soft-handed capitalists and bookworms. That ended in tears for them. History, indeed, is full of tears of such men who contemptuously underestimated their opponents as more effete and softer than they were.

    The future is stochastic and, in any case, I (and all humans) have a flawed and limited view of even the present. So I follow this rule in life: things are rarely, if ever, as good as they seem when they are going well and they are also not as bad as they appear even when all seems lost. Both triumphalism and doomsterism are full of errors that lead men astray, but combining the two ("The country is going down! But my side and I are going to emerge on top!") is surely a sign of idiocy or insanity.

    Who said anything about assured victories other than you? That being said the current situation between 1860 and 2019 are so far extreme that to try and draw comparisons of personnel, logistics, etc are ridiculous. Only God knows what is to come, and as far as history knows He hasn’t been kind to empires bent on infanticide.

    Who are going to suffer the most? Grandmas on dialysis and children in the NICU when the power goes out. No one wants that, but ignoring the hell world that is barreling towards us is foolish. You think the coming Leviathan is going to let you live a virtous life as a Christian gentleman (Lmao)? Okay bro. You see things getting better, really? You see yourself not being bothered by a State that demands you live as an atomized individual consumer unit Or Else? Whew.

    If I’m a crank you’ve got your head up your ass with how bad it really is. Guess we will just have to pity each other over the distance of the internet. Oh well.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Only God knows what is to come
     
    Full stop.

    Grandmas on dialysis and children in the NICU when the power goes out.
     
    Right again. I wish some of your cheerleaders here understood this and/or weren’t so callous about it.

    the hell world that is barreling towards us... the coming Leviathan
     
    Are you God now?
    , @Twinkie

    Who said anything about assured victories other than you?
     
    Your words:

    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches... You tell me how this ends.
     
    Someone surely feels confident of the outcome.

    By the way, I’m not up on gun games, but I’ve never heard of 2-gun matches. Did you mean 3-gun (rifle, shotgun, pistol)?

    You see things getting better, really?
     
    Try reading what I actually wrote.
  154. @Twinkie

    But Yang’s outreach strategy is actually very smart, once white disenfranchisement becomes acute then retaliation becomes inevitable, so he’s trying to preempt that out of ethnic self interest.
     
    WN accelerationist fantasy + projection.

    Handwaving.txt

    Referring to Core Americans as “WN” is an amazing tell of your own prejudices there, Twinkie. Are you All American Patriot Assassin or Devoted Asian Partisan this week on your iSteve LARP?

    The guy who’s go to is to assume everyone is projecting…projecting. What a shocker.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Referring to Core Americans as “WN” is an amazing tell of your own prejudices there,
     
    You are either a moron with a reading comprehension problem or disingenuous. I think I know what you mean by “Core Americans,” but you should know that WN refers to white nationalist and is a tiny, tiny subset of the former.

    Calling someone out for having an “accelerationist” fantasy is not insulting all white people. Stop acting like a black person with a chip on the shoulder.
  155. @Twinkie

    Twinkie conviently ignores the North came hat in hand to the South begging them to fight the future wars post Civil War.

    So much for “soundly vanquished”.
     
    Great success, being the most economically distressed region for decades and giving up its sons as cannon fodder. For over a hundred years, it was obvious who won and who lost.

    You might read some history. After the loss in the Civil War, the South was devastated economically, culturally, and morally, and its people suffered mightily. And it remained the most backward region in the country for decades, and only recovered in the post-industrial era. Like I wrote, tears. Lots of it.

    And yet it did recover and has experienced greater relative economic and population growth than the erstwhile victor, that was unimaginable after that defeat. As I wrote, contingencies and reversals of history.

    Twinkie, it might help Jack calibrate to revisit this comment of yours: http://www.unz.com/isteve/will-new-york-become-a-chinese-dominated-city/#comment-3103447

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    Is this the one where he wrote an epic poem to the differing shades of his children's body hair?
    , @Twinkie

    help Jack calibrate
     
    There is no calibration with that guy. Just a broken clock. He’s always right and never needs to change his view on anything. It helps that he only writes elliptically in broken Millenial talk and never offers any specifics.
  156. @res
    Twinkie, it might help Jack calibrate to revisit this comment of yours: http://www.unz.com/isteve/will-new-york-become-a-chinese-dominated-city/#comment-3103447

    Is this the one where he wrote an epic poem to the differing shades of his children’s body hair?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Wow. You sound like you read everything I write here. Thanks for the fan mail.
  157. @Jack Hanson
    Who said anything about assured victories other than you? That being said the current situation between 1860 and 2019 are so far extreme that to try and draw comparisons of personnel, logistics, etc are ridiculous. Only God knows what is to come, and as far as history knows He hasn’t been kind to empires bent on infanticide.

    Who are going to suffer the most? Grandmas on dialysis and children in the NICU when the power goes out. No one wants that, but ignoring the hell world that is barreling towards us is foolish. You think the coming Leviathan is going to let you live a virtous life as a Christian gentleman (Lmao)? Okay bro. You see things getting better, really? You see yourself not being bothered by a State that demands you live as an atomized individual consumer unit Or Else? Whew.

    If I’m a crank you’ve got your head up your ass with how bad it really is. Guess we will just have to pity each other over the distance of the internet. Oh well.

    Only God knows what is to come

    Full stop.

    Grandmas on dialysis and children in the NICU when the power goes out.

    Right again. I wish some of your cheerleaders here understood this and/or weren’t so callous about it.

    the hell world that is barreling towards us… the coming Leviathan

    Are you God now?

  158. @Jack Hanson
    Handwaving.txt

    Referring to Core Americans as “WN” is an amazing tell of your own prejudices there, Twinkie. Are you All American Patriot Assassin or Devoted Asian Partisan this week on your iSteve LARP?

    The guy who’s go to is to assume everyone is projecting…projecting. What a shocker.

    Referring to Core Americans as “WN” is an amazing tell of your own prejudices there,

    You are either a moron with a reading comprehension problem or disingenuous. I think I know what you mean by “Core Americans,” but you should know that WN refers to white nationalist and is a tiny, tiny subset of the former.

    Calling someone out for having an “accelerationist” fantasy is not insulting all white people. Stop acting like a black person with a chip on the shoulder.

  159. @Jack Hanson
    Who said anything about assured victories other than you? That being said the current situation between 1860 and 2019 are so far extreme that to try and draw comparisons of personnel, logistics, etc are ridiculous. Only God knows what is to come, and as far as history knows He hasn’t been kind to empires bent on infanticide.

    Who are going to suffer the most? Grandmas on dialysis and children in the NICU when the power goes out. No one wants that, but ignoring the hell world that is barreling towards us is foolish. You think the coming Leviathan is going to let you live a virtous life as a Christian gentleman (Lmao)? Okay bro. You see things getting better, really? You see yourself not being bothered by a State that demands you live as an atomized individual consumer unit Or Else? Whew.

    If I’m a crank you’ve got your head up your ass with how bad it really is. Guess we will just have to pity each other over the distance of the internet. Oh well.

    Who said anything about assured victories other than you?

    Your words:

    There are whites in America who cheer 9 year old drag queens on national TV and whites in America who spend their time doing 2 gun matches… You tell me how this ends.

    Someone surely feels confident of the outcome.

    By the way, I’m not up on gun games, but I’ve never heard of 2-gun matches. Did you mean 3-gun (rifle, shotgun, pistol)?

    You see things getting better, really?

    Try reading what I actually wrote.

  160. @Jack Hanson
    You might take your own advice and stop projecting, realising by the time of the Spanish American War the US was begging the South to carry its water and fight its wars again.

    The entire "South as the third world" history is much more complicated than you, running to doom and gloom, makes it seem. The South lost yet managed to keep a distinct culture for decades afterwards, produce a number of talented individuals, and thrive but was a backwards hellscape because what exactly? They didn't have factories for a while? Lol yeah okay.

    begging

    You mean like this:

    Steve you boomer stop sitting on my posts.

    Somebody should have taught you in grade school that insulting people makes it less likely for them to accede to your begging tantrums.

    Try thanking him once in a while for his “boomer” courtesy.

  161. @Jack Hanson
    Lot still unable to move past "Turner Diaries" shows he has zero understanding of whats coming down the pipe.

    Enlighten us then. What specific things? You’re always vague and metaphorical, like “wheels coming off Weimer America.”

    Weimer featured hyperinflation, mass unemployment of war veterans, national defeat bankruptcy and humiliation, millions of refugees from formerly German lands, and all major political parties with private armies that were larger than the government’s army. How’s America like that?

    Good to see you disclaim Turner Diaries predictions. Some don’t however, and you’re never specific.

    Personally I am more worried about a Carrington event in the next 20 years than political violence.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    How’s America like that?
     
    You know what he means. What came after Weimar (not “Weimer”)? It’s net Nazi talk.
  162. @Twinkie

    Lebanon gradually went from christian to muslim majority. There was some fighting and not a complete surrender. But, overall, our guys lost and mostly fled.
     
    They weren't "our" guys. They were Israel's guys. And Israel screwed that up royally. With different choices, there still might be a large (if not majority) and robust Christian political faction in Lebanon today.

    Brazil with nukes and NE Asians and even more spectacular gated islands of superwealth is not the worst case, but still feels kinda dark to me.
     
    I think the chance of us being Brazil North is rather remote even though that is a fate often predicted by doomsters.

    Ours is not a country with a tiny elite fraction and lots of favela-dwellers. In the past thirty years, our elite population has grown dramatically. The problem is that this trend has coincided with the increasing immiseration of the middle class, especially the lower middle class. We are most likely not going to be Brazil - if the present trends were to hold, we are going to be a country with a large upper class and somewhat larger lower class. And, no, that is not a good prospect either as far as I am concerned, but it is hardly Brazil.

    “And Israel screwed that up royally.”

    Israel should have done more, I agree. The Lebanese Christians also engaged in a lot of senseless violent in-fighting.

    But protecting Lebanon’s Christians was traditionally France’s job, to a lesser extant Russia and England, and the USA as a successor of England.

    The recent losses of Lebanon, Kosovo, and northern Cyprus to Christiandom is a political and moral disaster with a lot of blame to go around.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Israel should have done more
     
    No, it should have done less, a lot less. They made things worse.
  163. @Lot
    Enlighten us then. What specific things? You’re always vague and metaphorical, like “wheels coming off Weimer America.”

    Weimer featured hyperinflation, mass unemployment of war veterans, national defeat bankruptcy and humiliation, millions of refugees from formerly German lands, and all major political parties with private armies that were larger than the government’s army. How’s America like that?

    Good to see you disclaim Turner Diaries predictions. Some don’t however, and you’re never specific.

    Personally I am more worried about a Carrington event in the next 20 years than political violence.

    How’s America like that?

    You know what he means. What came after Weimar (not “Weimer”)? It’s net Nazi talk.

  164. @Jack Hanson
    Is this the one where he wrote an epic poem to the differing shades of his children's body hair?

    Wow. You sound like you read everything I write here. Thanks for the fan mail.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    My responses to you didn't make it past Steve's boomer filter. You'll just have to continue going through your posting career continually setting up strawmen to knock down in between weird, in-depth analysis of your childrens' physiques.

    Also, if you're going to try and correct someone you should try to know what you're talking about. Two gun matches are also a thing - something that must have escaped the notice of a purported assassin for Uncle Sam.
  165. @Lot
    “And Israel screwed that up royally.”

    Israel should have done more, I agree. The Lebanese Christians also engaged in a lot of senseless violent in-fighting.

    But protecting Lebanon’s Christians was traditionally France’s job, to a lesser extant Russia and England, and the USA as a successor of England.

    The recent losses of Lebanon, Kosovo, and northern Cyprus to Christiandom is a political and moral disaster with a lot of blame to go around.

    Israel should have done more

    No, it should have done less, a lot less. They made things worse.

  166. @larry lurker
    In his Joe Rogan appearance Yang talked about some study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points. I suspect he knows that this is unlikely, but the interesting thing is that he added: "That's almost a standard deviation!" This is someone who's done some reading on psychometrics...

    So ” some study showing that financial hardship lowers your IQ by 13 points.”

    Did somebody really measure IQ and then, among the sample who suffered “financial hardship” re-measure and discover that their IQ’s had dropped 13 points?

    Seems very unlikely.

    It seems much more likely that the “study” confirmed that the offspring of thick fuckers who can’t make it are likely to be thick fuckers.

  167. @res
    Twinkie, it might help Jack calibrate to revisit this comment of yours: http://www.unz.com/isteve/will-new-york-become-a-chinese-dominated-city/#comment-3103447

    help Jack calibrate

    There is no calibration with that guy. Just a broken clock. He’s always right and never needs to change his view on anything. It helps that he only writes elliptically in broken Millenial talk and never offers any specifics.

  168. @Anonymous
    Brazil is... Brazil. It's a strange and unique country that has little in common with any other state.

    For one thing, Brazil is majority black/mulatto. There's nothing like that in North America outside of a few regions of the old Confederacy.

    For one thing, Brazil is majority black/mulatto. There’s nothing like that in North America outside of a few regions of the old Confederacy.

    And part-black Brazilians think of themselves as white, on top of which they (black, white and mixed alike) don’t really think much about race at all. Which is why government policy is race neutral, just like Japan’s, despite Brazil’s heterogeneity.

  169. @Twinkie
    Wow. You sound like you read everything I write here. Thanks for the fan mail.

    My responses to you didn’t make it past Steve’s boomer filter. You’ll just have to continue going through your posting career continually setting up strawmen to knock down in between weird, in-depth analysis of your childrens’ physiques.

    Also, if you’re going to try and correct someone you should try to know what you’re talking about. Two gun matches are also a thing – something that must have escaped the notice of a purported assassin for Uncle Sam.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    FATALITY
    , @Twinkie

    Also, if you’re going to try and correct someone you should try to know what you’re talking about. Two gun matches are also a thing – something that must have escaped the notice of a purported assassin for Uncle Sam.
     
    You should follow your own advice, namely:

    continually setting up strawmen to knock down
     
    I did not correct you. As I wrote, I am not up on gun games - the only one with which I am familiar are three-gun matches.

    a purported assassin for Uncle Sam.
     
    Dead men can't be interrogated.

    Lastly...

    My responses to you didn’t make it past Steve’s boomer filter.
     
    Have you thought about writing like an adult instead of entitled Millennial whining about how the author of the blog is not letting you insult him and others more?
  170. @Mr. Anon
    Good Points.

    When the other side does something equivalent to what we do it's always labeled as dirty pool.

    IED attacks against American military convoys in Iraq? Bad

    Shooting up Iraqis in Iraq with a vulcan cannon from a half-mile away? Good

    Using a truck-bomb to blow up a barracks? Bad

    Using a laser-guided bomb to blow up a barracks? Good

    Yeah, I don’t disagree, but I also don’t really begrudge our leaders disparaging the enemy’s use of force even though, as you point out, it’s gotten to look pretty threadbare. The natural thing to do when you enjoy a tremendous advantage in conventional arms is to disparage unconventional arms.

    What bothers me more is the effect on our own side of rampant “civilianization”. These sailors were serving on a warship in waters along the territory of forces who had done us the courtesy of declaring war on us. Yet when they get hit by those very forces, we call it a “terrorist attack” and those sailors “victims”.

    What’s next? Ambulance chasing lawyers showing up and demanding civil damages? Oh wait, they already do that…

    https://www.mayerbrown.com/-/media/files/perspectives-events/events/2017/03/antiterrorism-act-and-jasta-what-they-mean-for-you/files/presentation-slides/fileattachment/170328-wdc-webinar-lit-me-jasta-slides.pdf

    So militarization of the police means a police sniper blows away your harmless wife and baby but faces no consequences. While civilization of the military means that our “armed” forces can’t be armed enough to fight a lone pistolero in the barracks or take sufficient preventive measures in hostile waters, leading to inevitable but preventable casualties. Whenever there is a lose-lose solution to a situation, our leaders unerringly find it.

  171. @Bill Jones
    I assume this is taking the piss:

    "the various right wing terror bombings in Europe in the mid 70s thru mid 80s in particular Italy…."

    Have you honestly never heard of Operation Gladio?

    I know of Gladio…and the general consensus was these terrorists were CIA trained in case of a Soviet invasion….the terrorist groups were just loose cannons and their CIA handlers couldn’t control them….

  172. @LondonBob
    Kercher's Indian-Jewish family still(!) blame white American Amanda Knox whilst ignoring the actual African perp Rudy Guede.

    In sort of the “exception that proves the rule” style of thinking, Ann Coulter’s jihad against Amanda Knox is the one weird hang-up she has amongst a list of otherwise outstanding list of policy proscriptions.

  173. @Jack Hanson
    My responses to you didn't make it past Steve's boomer filter. You'll just have to continue going through your posting career continually setting up strawmen to knock down in between weird, in-depth analysis of your childrens' physiques.

    Also, if you're going to try and correct someone you should try to know what you're talking about. Two gun matches are also a thing - something that must have escaped the notice of a purported assassin for Uncle Sam.

    FATALITY

  174. @Jack Hanson
    My responses to you didn't make it past Steve's boomer filter. You'll just have to continue going through your posting career continually setting up strawmen to knock down in between weird, in-depth analysis of your childrens' physiques.

    Also, if you're going to try and correct someone you should try to know what you're talking about. Two gun matches are also a thing - something that must have escaped the notice of a purported assassin for Uncle Sam.

    Also, if you’re going to try and correct someone you should try to know what you’re talking about. Two gun matches are also a thing – something that must have escaped the notice of a purported assassin for Uncle Sam.

    You should follow your own advice, namely:

    continually setting up strawmen to knock down

    I did not correct you. As I wrote, I am not up on gun games – the only one with which I am familiar are three-gun matches.

    a purported assassin for Uncle Sam.

    Dead men can’t be interrogated.

    Lastly…

    My responses to you didn’t make it past Steve’s boomer filter.

    Have you thought about writing like an adult instead of entitled Millennial whining about how the author of the blog is not letting you insult him and others more?

  175. @Red Headed Magus

    On Senegalese migrants in Italy, they invariably get a good write-up in the “Commissario Brunetti” Venetian novels of American Donna Leon.
     
    I didn't know that, but she is a terrible writer as well as politically correct. I've only read one Donna Leon book and have no desire ever to open another. I couldn't believe she has ever been to Venice, so poor is her sense of atmosphere.

    I skimmed through about half on one Donna Leon book. It was awful. But it was very PC and that’s why it was published

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