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A lot of The Great Awokening is minor or would-be celebrities engaging in Crabs In a Bucket tantrums against their competitors whose careers are rising above theirs, in the hope that if they can pull them down, the authorities will assign them these better jobs that got canceled. For example, from the New York Times opinion page:

Shane Gillis and the Privilege of Comedy

Many of my fellow comics are worrying about freedom of speech. I’m laughing.

By Maeve Higgins, Contributing Opinion Writer, Sept. 17, 2019

The only time I’ve taken notice of Maeve Higgins before was over her fifth-grade-style essay in the NYT on why that awful Stephen Miller boy has cooties and how Maeve just can’t stop thinking about him.

I’ve been doing standup comedy for 14 years, and at some point, I came to despise it. It made me feel bad about myself, mostly. The thing I find hardest is the bullying nature, the punching down. I’ve heard comics onstage mock women and gay people and black people in a variety of ways that still manage to say nothing new. …

A comic named Shane Gillis was hired by “Saturday Night Live,” then fired shortly afterward when footage circulated of him being racist on his podcast, calling Chinese people a racial slur, and when Variety reported that he’d also made anti-gay comments and stereotyped Muslims on his show.

That’s just a slice of classic standup, nothing strange or startling to any of us who are used to being the butt of jokes. The fact that he was fired, the fact that perhaps people are sick of hearing that particular shtick — that’s the interesting part.

Many of my comedy colleagues are up in arms, at least digitally. They are calling Mr. Gillis’s firing “cancel culture” and worrying about what it means for freedom of speech. I’m laughing.

These anxious comedians are worrying about the wrong problem. Here’s where the real silencing happens in the comedy world: So many would-be comics — women, people of color, other marginalized groups — are silenced from the beginnings of their careers. Despite their talent and work ethic, they leave the industry and take their brilliance elsewhere, or perhaps nowhere. Reaching a level in their career where they could even get canceled remains a dream for most.

Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men. …

My relationship with standup comedy has improved, especially since it started working on itself and trying to be a better partner. I don’t fully trust it not to revert to being a bully, but when it’s good, it’s amazing. I’m glad I hung on.

I host a show every Monday in Brooklyn with two of my friends.

Everybody knows that Monday night is the Big Night in comedy.

Our producer makes sure the lineup isn’t just straight white people, and that makes the show a lot better than most of the ones I’ve been part of for the past 14 years.

What we need are Comedy Quotas: HBO and Netflix should be obligated to make sure that 50% of their stand-up specials are women, such as, to take a random example, Maeve Higgins.

Follow the money. It’s not really all that more complicated than that.

Update: iSteve commenter Tipsy adds:

Comedienne’s Corollary to Sailer’s Law

The most snarky articles by comediennes tend to be demands that norms of humor be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the comediennes will be considered funnier than comedians.

We need Comedy Commissars. You must laugh at Maeve Higgins’ jokes. Don’t you dare to be the first to stop until Maeve finally gets bored by your adulation and rings a buzzer.

 
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  1. Comedienne’s Corollary to Sailer’s Law

    The most snarky articles by comediennes tend to be demands that norms of humor be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the comediennes will be considered funnier than comedians.

    • Agree: Kronos
    • LOL: Thea
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    "Diverse" comedians are great -- for people who like hearing jokes making fun of women, minorities and gay people -- because "diverse" comics are the only ones who are allowed to tell them.

    As usual, the wokesters haven't thought through the unintended consequences of diversity.


    https://youtu.be/f3PJF0YE-x4

    , @Anon

    Comedienne’s Corollary to Sailer’s Law
     
    This is a good passive-aggressive use of comedienne. We need to keep these sex-specific job names in use, like dominatrix ... or is that domina?
  2. Gillis was an idiot for accepting that job. Let SNL die, give no help to people who are attacking you. And of course they were going to find out. This wasn’t something from college, it was his career material that had made his name. It has even been theorized that Lorne never was serious about hiring him and was doing all this as a proof of wokeness.
    Later he said, “I’m a comedian who was funny enough to be on Saturday Night Live, and I’ll always have that.” His comeback is comparing himself to Pete Davidson or, y’know, the kid from All That, or that one black guy who attacked the Constitution (not as a joke) on Weekend Update, or that other one with the Irish name.
    4chan gets spammed with this “news” because David Brock thinks this is some kind of Waterloo killing blow that will humiliate The Alt Right (TM).
    The one good thing to come out of this was Norm Macdonald on twitter being brilliantly angry about how it was handled.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    If Gillis wasn't fired, I'd have never heard of him.
  3. Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men. …

    Yeah, because like there have never, ever been any wildly successful black guys in comedy… I mean aside from Richard Pryor, Bill Cosby, Dave Chappelle, Eddie Murphy, Arsenio Hall, Chris Rock… did I mention Flip Wilson?

    Of course, all of those black guys sacrificed political correctness to simply being funny, so they don’t count.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @anonymous
    Nipsey Russell, Moms Mabley (OK, not a guy, but still).
    , @Bugg
    So instead of actual funny, and making you think, like Chapelle or George Carlin, we'll be stuck with Hannah Gadsby yelling at us. And clapter.

    This is not real. But it could be-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOHNUYQxIUc

    , @The preferred nomenclature is...
    Redd Foxx
    , @prime noticer
    "Yeah, because like there have never, ever been any wildly successful black guys in comedy"

    don't analyze the particular argument in any of these articles. instead, categorize them into what kind of attack they are on european men. this one looks like a standard "Too many white men on my television screen" screed.

    most of these articles are bad faith, broken logic direct attacks on us. don't point out the problems with the specific argument. that's a waste of time. these people are gonna write thousands of these articles. instead, start organizing them up front on what kind of attack they are, then file them away, without reading the rest of the boring bullshit.

    this stuff is gonna drone on and on for decades.
    , @Forbes

    Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men.
     
    Hmm. I thinking of a good answer.

    An answer that makes sense given the information supplied.

    Is it because whites are a majority?

    And women aren't funny...
  4. Anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    There is absolutely no room for comedy, satire, or parody in current year american culture. All of the laughter I hear these days is an smug, condescending expression of passive aggressive anger.
    No happiness. No mirth. No empathy. No enjoyment.

    For all the talk about “vibrant diversity” the United States,its people, in their behavior, are as drab and gray and boring and strident and interchangeable as the citizens of Nikolai Ceausescu’s Romania, circa 1977.

    I honestly wonder what the actual hell all these woke types are getting out of it. Who wants to spend their whole life associating with such generic, miserable people? Who wants to spend their whole life outraged?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi

    I honestly wonder what the actual hell all these woke types are getting out of it
     
    What is best in life?
    , @Daniel H
    >> There is absolutely no room for comedy, satire, or parody in current year american culture...

    Decades ago Ayatollah Khomeini said (I paraphrase) to an interviewing journalist that there was no room in Islam for laughter. Islam is a deadly serious matter. Today's woke would heartily agree with Khomeini in the sense that there is no room for laughter in woke comedy. It is a deadly serious matter.
    , @Kronos
    The real question is who/why someone gave them such a big megaphone in the first place.
    , @Ozymandias
    "Who wants to spend their whole life outraged?"

    My first awareness of the woke movement was when I noticed that a rapidly rising percentage of headlines could be paraphrased as 'Read This, You'll Be Outraged!' Along with the outrage comes a feeling of righteousness, and it would seem that a lot of people find that very appealing.
    , @RomCom Lover
    "I honestly wonder what the actual hell all these woke types are getting out of it."

    Misery loves company.
  5. Apparently there is a late night talk show that nobody watches, with an Indian comic, whose jokes are all about whites being awful and Indians being interesting. She has not yet been dispatched to “perhaps nowhere” by the well-known weakness of stand-up comedians, which is that they must never, ever, ever be the target of a joke. You’d think that would be a little like a surgeon fearing the sight of blood or something.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Tech support or casino?
  6. Will Colin Quinn pick a side in this debate? Norm MacDonald has sided w Gillis.

  7. Steve,

    OT, but speaking of unintentional female comedy, any comments on the latest “Get to the bottom of the story” hard hitting journalism from the NYT?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/17/style/women-poop-at-work.html

    How does this fit in with Sailer’s First Law of Female Journalism? 🤔

  8. @Tipsy
    Comedienne's Corollary to Sailer's Law

    The most snarky articles by comediennes tend to be demands that norms of humor be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the comediennes will be considered funnier than comedians.

    “Diverse” comedians are great — for people who like hearing jokes making fun of women, minorities and gay people — because “diverse” comics are the only ones who are allowed to tell them.

    As usual, the wokesters haven’t thought through the unintended consequences of diversity.

    • Replies: @Anon
    I used to work at a tech company that rhymes with Shmalesforce. The CEO invited in Chris Rock to do comedy for a select group of executives. He was quickly accosted by a senor marketing leader who decided that she was not interested in hearing his unwoke comedy. She walked on the stage and took the mike from his hand. Needless to say, she suffered no repercussions and, rather, got a promotion. You have no idea how bad it really is out there.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I'm sorry, but Michael Scott does a much better job than Chris Rock. Chris Rock was butchering it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utrvNbTpHSA
    , @JimDandy
    When will Chris Rock be officially put through the ringer for this? It seems inevitable. I guess they are afraid he simply won't apologize, so they are leaving it alone.
  9. Let’s face it, our side got rolled. Back in the day our side’s tolerance of free speech was used by the fringe to attack core America. Comedy was a major tool in this work. But now that the fringe has ascended, there is no tolerance for free speech on their side especially in comedy. They know too well how effective it was, and have no intention on letting what happened to us happen to them.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Moses

    Let’s face it, our side got rolled. Back in the day our side’s tolerance of free speech was used by the fringe to attack core America. Comedy was a major tool in this work. But now that the fringe has ascended, there is no tolerance for free speech on their side especially in comedy. They know too well how effective it was, and have no intention on letting what happened to us happen to them.
     
    Right on. Great point.
  10. Anon[195] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666
    "Diverse" comedians are great -- for people who like hearing jokes making fun of women, minorities and gay people -- because "diverse" comics are the only ones who are allowed to tell them.

    As usual, the wokesters haven't thought through the unintended consequences of diversity.


    https://youtu.be/f3PJF0YE-x4

    I used to work at a tech company that rhymes with Shmalesforce. The CEO invited in Chris Rock to do comedy for a select group of executives. He was quickly accosted by a senor marketing leader who decided that she was not interested in hearing his unwoke comedy. She walked on the stage and took the mike from his hand. Needless to say, she suffered no repercussions and, rather, got a promotion. You have no idea how bad it really is out there.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    If that's the same one I've seen discussed elsewhere it really is a nightmare company.
  11. Check out an Amazon excerpt from her 2018 book, an extremely not funny stream-of-conscious babble about her emotions as she plans Instagram posts.

  12. @PhysicistDave

    Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men. …
     
    Yeah, because like there have never, ever been any wildly successful black guys in comedy... I mean aside from Richard Pryor, Bill Cosby, Dave Chappelle, Eddie Murphy, Arsenio Hall, Chris Rock... did I mention Flip Wilson?

    Of course, all of those black guys sacrificed political correctness to simply being funny, so they don't count.

    Nipsey Russell, Moms Mabley (OK, not a guy, but still).

  13. @PhysicistDave

    Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men. …
     
    Yeah, because like there have never, ever been any wildly successful black guys in comedy... I mean aside from Richard Pryor, Bill Cosby, Dave Chappelle, Eddie Murphy, Arsenio Hall, Chris Rock... did I mention Flip Wilson?

    Of course, all of those black guys sacrificed political correctness to simply being funny, so they don't count.

    So instead of actual funny, and making you think, like Chapelle or George Carlin, we’ll be stuck with Hannah Gadsby yelling at us. And clapter.

    This is not real. But it could be-

  14. @PhysicistDave

    Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men. …
     
    Yeah, because like there have never, ever been any wildly successful black guys in comedy... I mean aside from Richard Pryor, Bill Cosby, Dave Chappelle, Eddie Murphy, Arsenio Hall, Chris Rock... did I mention Flip Wilson?

    Of course, all of those black guys sacrificed political correctness to simply being funny, so they don't count.

    Redd Foxx

  15. Shane Gillis’ Chinese restaurant humor is not terribly different from this classic SNL skit.

    • Replies: @Bugg
    Belushi did a whole character of a Japanese samurai guy speaking pidgin Japanese swinging his sword. Have not heard that Lorne Michaels is yanking that from his SNL archives that he sells. Sure there are other SNL non PC instances .
    , @njguy73
    Making fun of Europeans = punching up
    Making fun of Asians = punching down
  16. Shane Gillis joked about this PC cancellation culture, and it became his reality.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
  17. When did 1950’s eastern block/Mao communism take over the cultural “elite”?

    • Replies: @Laugh Track

    When did 1950’s eastern block/Mao communism take over the cultural “elite”?
     
    It got rolling in the '70s with the rise of all the identity/liberation movements who, after much haggling and infighting, decided that hetero white males were the shared enemy oppressing them. Once that analysis got embedded in the academy through the demanded creation of black/gay/women/latinx/critical etc. "studies" departments, the momentum was on their side. It took a few decades for these geniuses to move beyond the academic sandbox to the corporations, media, ad agencies, political machines, and the new thrash pits of social media, but now they are omnipresent, all the while convinced that they continue to be the oppressed fighting the good fight against the Patriarchy, Whiteness, Homophobia, et al.
  18. @Clifford Brown
    Shane Gillis' Chinese restaurant humor is not terribly different from this classic SNL skit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puJePACBoIo

    Belushi did a whole character of a Japanese samurai guy speaking pidgin Japanese swinging his sword. Have not heard that Lorne Michaels is yanking that from his SNL archives that he sells. Sure there are other SNL non PC instances .

  19. Why do Japanese American men take Viagra on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November?

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    Ask Yasu Wade (a character in Bright Lights, Big City).
    , @njguy73
    I like the one where the American and the Japanese guy are talking about the stock market, and it ends with this exchange:

    American: "Fluctuations!"
    Japanese: "Ah, so fruck you round-eyes!"
  20. Stand-up is the in thing right now. Every liberal hipster no-talent doofus thinks they can do it. I occasionally drop in for an old fashioned at our local place on my way to someplace else. Probably heard two dozen of these moonlighting journalist-type hacks on an open mic. Not a single funny one. Don’t believe I’ve ever laughed at a single joke. This could be a hidden cause of our homeless epidemic.

    You need to pay upwards of fifty bucks to hear something funny. Think Burr was the last good one I saw.

  21. That’s great and all, Maeve, but……what about the fact that, with a few limited exceptions, women really aren’t all that funny in the first place?

    Get a few random men together and pretty soon they will be figuring out funny things to say to each other, as well as how to bust the other guys’ balls. It’s a forge at which comedic sensibilities are formed.

    Get a few random women together and they will be sharing feelings (all the while sizing up the other dames and where they lie on the Bitch Factor scale.) Definitely not a forge.

  22. @istevefan
    Let's face it, our side got rolled. Back in the day our side's tolerance of free speech was used by the fringe to attack core America. Comedy was a major tool in this work. But now that the fringe has ascended, there is no tolerance for free speech on their side especially in comedy. They know too well how effective it was, and have no intention on letting what happened to us happen to them.

    Let’s face it, our side got rolled. Back in the day our side’s tolerance of free speech was used by the fringe to attack core America. Comedy was a major tool in this work. But now that the fringe has ascended, there is no tolerance for free speech on their side especially in comedy. They know too well how effective it was, and have no intention on letting what happened to us happen to them.

    Right on. Great point.

  23. @Hypnotoad666
    "Diverse" comedians are great -- for people who like hearing jokes making fun of women, minorities and gay people -- because "diverse" comics are the only ones who are allowed to tell them.

    As usual, the wokesters haven't thought through the unintended consequences of diversity.


    https://youtu.be/f3PJF0YE-x4

    I’m sorry, but Michael Scott does a much better job than Chris Rock. Chris Rock was butchering it.

  24. @Tipsy
    Comedienne's Corollary to Sailer's Law

    The most snarky articles by comediennes tend to be demands that norms of humor be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the comediennes will be considered funnier than comedians.

    Comedienne’s Corollary to Sailer’s Law

    This is a good passive-aggressive use of comedienne. We need to keep these sex-specific job names in use, like dominatrix … or is that domina?

    • Replies: @Forbes
    Stewardess remains popular in my book...
  25. Perhaps I am an optimist, but I immediately thought that there would be comedic gold in playing Gillis off of the first gay Asian comic on SNL. They could have had the first skit for the next season being Gillis and Bowen Yang meeting in the writing room and being extremely uncomfortable. This could be a running joke with tremendous potential.

  26. Somebody call Sesame Street, they may be missing Big Bird:

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I haven't heard any of her jokes, but I am laughing at that photo.
    , @bored identity



    "My relationship with standup comedy has improved, especially since it started working on itself and trying to be a better partner.

    I don’t fully trust it not to revert to being a bully, but when it’s good, it’s amazing.

    I’m glad I hung on."

     

    Basically she's saying how she still keeps [email protected] with her standup.


    As good as it gets.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    And Maeve Higgins might have an Irish name, but she looks about as Irish as Caleb McLaughlin.
  27. @J.Ross
    Apparently there is a late night talk show that nobody watches, with an Indian comic, whose jokes are all about whites being awful and Indians being interesting. She has not yet been dispatched to "perhaps nowhere" by the well-known weakness of stand-up comedians, which is that they must never, ever, ever be the target of a joke. You'd think that would be a little like a surgeon fearing the sight of blood or something.

    Tech support or casino?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Last name Singh (which is wierd, apparently Sikhettes take "Kaur").
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhKTcuk5Izc
    , @Whitey Whiteman III
    Call center not casino

    Leprosy not liquor
  28. It’s all “who/whom” all the time now.

    Things will get worse before they get better.

  29. In my opinion, what reader’s should ultimately take away from this essay is, Liz Winstead was, is, and always will be a mediocre, anti-creative, bitter, bile-ridden stupid cunt from Hell’s bowels, who is a thought leader of the ignorant, fear-mongering, rage-inducing twats in Stand Up Comedy as you read this, and Muave Higgins is just another one of her evil, cross-eyed flying monkeys.

    If anyone is guilty of making the talented, regardless of gender, want to quit and take a day job at Pep Boys, it’s the both of them.

  30. I dunno, I haven’t seen any comedian make fun of Blacks or gays for over a decade. And Jewish jokes (as in Polish jokes) are streng verboten.

  31. from the recently hired-then-fired SNL member:

    rather funny. unlike SNL.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Thanks.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Holy crap, P.N., that was one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time! An LOL by itself was just not gonna cut it.
  32. Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men. …

    Highest paid comedians in 2019
    1. Kevin Hart – Black
    2. Jerry Seinfeld – Jew
    3. Jim Gaffigan – White
    4. Trevor Noah – Black
    5. Sebastian Maniscalco – White
    6. Gabriel Iglesias – Hispanic
    7. Amy Schumer – Jew
    8. Terry Fator – White
    9. Jeff Dunham – White
    10. Aziz Ansari – Indian

    4 out of 10 are non-Jewish Whites in a country which is 61% non-Jewish White. Looks more like under representation rather then domination.
    Even if you include, 6 out of 10 are Whites in a country which is 63% White.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Wow, I feel like I am really out of touch. Sebastian Maniscalco. Gabriel Iglesias. Terry Fator. These names mean absolutely nothing to me. I have no idea who they are.
    , @Ibound1
    Trevor Noah is a comedian? I’ve never heard him say a single funny thing. Seriously. Never. Maybe I just missed the funny parts.
  33. @Glaivester
    Why do Japanese American men take Viagra on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November?

    Ask Yasu Wade (a character in Bright Lights, Big City).

  34. @PhysicistDave

    Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men. …
     
    Yeah, because like there have never, ever been any wildly successful black guys in comedy... I mean aside from Richard Pryor, Bill Cosby, Dave Chappelle, Eddie Murphy, Arsenio Hall, Chris Rock... did I mention Flip Wilson?

    Of course, all of those black guys sacrificed political correctness to simply being funny, so they don't count.

    “Yeah, because like there have never, ever been any wildly successful black guys in comedy”

    don’t analyze the particular argument in any of these articles. instead, categorize them into what kind of attack they are on european men. this one looks like a standard “Too many white men on my television screen” screed.

    most of these articles are bad faith, broken logic direct attacks on us. don’t point out the problems with the specific argument. that’s a waste of time. these people are gonna write thousands of these articles. instead, start organizing them up front on what kind of attack they are, then file them away, without reading the rest of the boring bullshit.

    this stuff is gonna drone on and on for decades.

  35. If this follows the usual track, the first demand is for equality of opportunity; that’s where we are now. The next step is to demand equality of outcome. That means you WILL laugh.

    Finally, they will demand equality of pay; every comedienne makes Seinfeld money, or else.

    Feminists get the last laugh.

  36. It’s not going to make sense unless you’re really well-informed. For instance, an upper-middle class, rich Jewess comedienne whose act consists primarily of dehumanizing illiterate hillbilly Christians is funny because she’s punching up.

    Got it.

  37. I don’t think you guys understand how humor works

    Comedy is only effective when it punches up not when it punches down

    The only suitable targets are white christians because they are holding all the power
    Just consider how afraid People of Colour are terrorized in America

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    This is a new [ahem] slant for you, Tiny. Have you been taking advice from your cousin, Fup Duck?
    , @black sea
    No, no. We've read your posts. We know how humor works.
  38. @Clifford Brown
    Shane Gillis' Chinese restaurant humor is not terribly different from this classic SNL skit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puJePACBoIo

    Making fun of Europeans = punching up
    Making fun of Asians = punching down

  39. @Glaivester
    Why do Japanese American men take Viagra on the Tuesday after the first Monday in November?

    I like the one where the American and the Japanese guy are talking about the stock market, and it ends with this exchange:

    American: “Fluctuations!”
    Japanese: “Ah, so fruck you round-eyes!”

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Similarly, we know that even as the Chinese range further into space, one thing they'll never master is the lunar rover. Not to mention the word Similarly.
  40. @Anonymous
    There is absolutely no room for comedy, satire, or parody in current year american culture. All of the laughter I hear these days is an smug, condescending expression of passive aggressive anger.
    No happiness. No mirth. No empathy. No enjoyment.

    For all the talk about "vibrant diversity" the United States,its people, in their behavior, are as drab and gray and boring and strident and interchangeable as the citizens of Nikolai Ceausescu's Romania, circa 1977.

    I honestly wonder what the actual hell all these woke types are getting out of it. Who wants to spend their whole life associating with such generic, miserable people? Who wants to spend their whole life outraged?

    I honestly wonder what the actual hell all these woke types are getting out of it

    What is best in life?

  41. What the heck did this guy do — put pee-pee in someone’s Coke?

    By firing Shane Gillis, SNL has become a comedy force of extwawdinawy magnitude. They have our gwatitude.

    I don’t know what this guy actually said, but when you think about it, he totally /should/ have been fired. Not for offending Asians, but for offending his fellow comedians by thinking there’s any comedic traction to be had at all in making fun of Asians. “Crazy Rich Asians,” an entire hit comedy movie featuring nothing but Asians, did not have a single laugh in it. From the title, you might have thought, Hey, this’ll be good — a movie about rich Asians who are so rich, they’re crazy! Sounds plausible. It’ll be like a Chinese “Hay Fever”! But no, instead they meant, No, it’s just Asians who are crazy-rich. Yawn.

    The only really funny bit of the past ten years involving Asians was the weirdo Chinese gangster in “The Hangover” — and he wasn’t funny because he was Chinese, he was funny because he was a weirdo.

  42. I wonder what she thinks of Dave Chappelle. I would actually pay good money to watch her try to explain to Mr. Chappelle that he’s only suppose to make fun of straight white guys.

  43. So many would-be comics — women, people of color, other marginalized groups — are silenced from the beginnings of their careers. Despite their talent and work ethic, they leave the industry and take their brilliance elsewhere, or perhaps nowhere.

    Where do these brilliant and hardworking people go? Not into programming because we know that the Stallman’s of the world are blocking their way there. Not acting where Harvey Weinstein lies in wait. Not to CBS where Les Moonves was just waiting to paw them.

    I just cannot wait for the flowering of American comedy, culture, science and technology that will occur once the career advancement of women, people of color and other marginalized groups is no longer blocked at every turn by stale pale males. They may appear to you to be mediocrities now, but their brilliance will burst forth like the light of 1,000 suns once those old white guys stop throwing shade on them. I just know it will.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  44. @Anonymous
    There is absolutely no room for comedy, satire, or parody in current year american culture. All of the laughter I hear these days is an smug, condescending expression of passive aggressive anger.
    No happiness. No mirth. No empathy. No enjoyment.

    For all the talk about "vibrant diversity" the United States,its people, in their behavior, are as drab and gray and boring and strident and interchangeable as the citizens of Nikolai Ceausescu's Romania, circa 1977.

    I honestly wonder what the actual hell all these woke types are getting out of it. Who wants to spend their whole life associating with such generic, miserable people? Who wants to spend their whole life outraged?

    >> There is absolutely no room for comedy, satire, or parody in current year american culture…

    Decades ago Ayatollah Khomeini said (I paraphrase) to an interviewing journalist that there was no room in Islam for laughter. Islam is a deadly serious matter. Today’s woke would heartily agree with Khomeini in the sense that there is no room for laughter in woke comedy. It is a deadly serious matter.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Decades ago Ayatollah Khomeini said (I paraphrase) to an interviewing journalist that there was no room in Islam for laughter. Islam is a deadly serious matter. Today’s woke would heartily agree with Khomeini in the sense that there is no room for laughter in woke comedy. It is a deadly serious matter.
     
    Comedy is too important to be left to funny people.
  45. @prime noticer
    from the recently hired-then-fired SNL member:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DECqrt9p5SA

    rather funny. unlike SNL.

    Thanks.

  46. @Anonymous
    There is absolutely no room for comedy, satire, or parody in current year american culture. All of the laughter I hear these days is an smug, condescending expression of passive aggressive anger.
    No happiness. No mirth. No empathy. No enjoyment.

    For all the talk about "vibrant diversity" the United States,its people, in their behavior, are as drab and gray and boring and strident and interchangeable as the citizens of Nikolai Ceausescu's Romania, circa 1977.

    I honestly wonder what the actual hell all these woke types are getting out of it. Who wants to spend their whole life associating with such generic, miserable people? Who wants to spend their whole life outraged?

    The real question is who/why someone gave them such a big megaphone in the first place.

  47. @Bugg
    Shane Gillis joked about this PC cancellation culture, and it became his reality.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DECqrt9p5SA

    Thanks.

  48. @Medvedev

    Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men. …
     
    Highest paid comedians in 2019
    1. Kevin Hart - Black
    2. Jerry Seinfeld - Jew
    3. Jim Gaffigan - White
    4. Trevor Noah - Black
    5. Sebastian Maniscalco - White
    6. Gabriel Iglesias - Hispanic
    7. Amy Schumer - Jew
    8. Terry Fator - White
    9. Jeff Dunham - White
    10. Aziz Ansari - Indian

    4 out of 10 are non-Jewish Whites in a country which is 61% non-Jewish White. Looks more like under representation rather then domination.
    Even if you include, 6 out of 10 are Whites in a country which is 63% White.

    Wow, I feel like I am really out of touch. Sebastian Maniscalco. Gabriel Iglesias. Terry Fator. These names mean absolutely nothing to me. I have no idea who they are.

    • Agree: jim jones, Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Anon
    LOL You haven't heard of Sebastian Maniscalco??

    Granted he is newer to stardom, but he is everywhere now. In fact I read recently somewhere that he is the fifth highest paid comedian of 2019. Try watching Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee maybe? G-d!!
    , @J.Ross
    John Oliver (yes that one, this was before the cancer metastasized) had a stand-up program introducing new comedians, and it was great. It was the only one of its type that was consistently funny (A&E and CBC had several unkillable attempts at this which were never funny once). This was right on the cutoff before the range of acceptable "jokes" became pledging to triple your production quota as opposed to doubling it. There was a guy named Fabrice Fabrice, the name so nice, you gotta say it -- again. He shouted at the heart of the world: you know who loves fried chicken? Black people. You know who else loves fried chicken? Everybody.
  49. @Hypnotoad666
    "Diverse" comedians are great -- for people who like hearing jokes making fun of women, minorities and gay people -- because "diverse" comics are the only ones who are allowed to tell them.

    As usual, the wokesters haven't thought through the unintended consequences of diversity.


    https://youtu.be/f3PJF0YE-x4

    When will Chris Rock be officially put through the ringer for this? It seems inevitable. I guess they are afraid he simply won’t apologize, so they are leaving it alone.

  50. Standup by Maeve Higgins made me believe in White Privilege.

    • Replies: @anon
    So much projection, so few jokes. I wonder if she's been to Oberlin College yet?
  51. Yeah. People of color never get a break in comedy. Other than Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rick, etc. Folks that wee actually funny.

  52. @Medvedev

    Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men. …
     
    Highest paid comedians in 2019
    1. Kevin Hart - Black
    2. Jerry Seinfeld - Jew
    3. Jim Gaffigan - White
    4. Trevor Noah - Black
    5. Sebastian Maniscalco - White
    6. Gabriel Iglesias - Hispanic
    7. Amy Schumer - Jew
    8. Terry Fator - White
    9. Jeff Dunham - White
    10. Aziz Ansari - Indian

    4 out of 10 are non-Jewish Whites in a country which is 61% non-Jewish White. Looks more like under representation rather then domination.
    Even if you include, 6 out of 10 are Whites in a country which is 63% White.

    Trevor Noah is a comedian? I’ve never heard him say a single funny thing. Seriously. Never. Maybe I just missed the funny parts.

    • Replies: @Glaivester
    The Daily Show has gone downhill since the original host left.

    I'm referring to Craig Kilborn.
    , @Pericles
    He looks like a retarded Nelson Mandela in a suit. That's funny.
  53. @Ibound1
    Trevor Noah is a comedian? I’ve never heard him say a single funny thing. Seriously. Never. Maybe I just missed the funny parts.

    The Daily Show has gone downhill since the original host left.

    I’m referring to Craig Kilborn.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    It was funny when it was mostly white guys whose last names started with the letter C.
    , @anonymous
    I agree. A.Whitney Brown, Beth Littleford, Brian Unger , John Bloom and Frank DeCaro were great too.

    What the hell do I know? I can't stand the fantasy genre and yet Krull is one of my all-time favorite movies.
    , @anonymous
    I agree. A.Whitney Brown, Beth Littleford, Brian Unger , John Bloom and Frank DeCaro were great too.

    What the hell do I know? I can't stand the fantasy genre and yet Krull is one of my all-time favorite movies.
  54. “Everybody knows that Monday night is the Big Night in comedy.”

    Brutal, dude. Appropriately brutal. It’s been time to stop politeness with these people for a long time.

  55. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Somebody call Sesame Street, they may be missing Big Bird:

    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Vulture+Festival+Casper+Podcast+Lounge+d5Ry7EgWn7zx.jpg

    I haven’t heard any of her jokes, but I am laughing at that photo.

  56. @Anonymous
    There is absolutely no room for comedy, satire, or parody in current year american culture. All of the laughter I hear these days is an smug, condescending expression of passive aggressive anger.
    No happiness. No mirth. No empathy. No enjoyment.

    For all the talk about "vibrant diversity" the United States,its people, in their behavior, are as drab and gray and boring and strident and interchangeable as the citizens of Nikolai Ceausescu's Romania, circa 1977.

    I honestly wonder what the actual hell all these woke types are getting out of it. Who wants to spend their whole life associating with such generic, miserable people? Who wants to spend their whole life outraged?

    “Who wants to spend their whole life outraged?”

    My first awareness of the woke movement was when I noticed that a rapidly rising percentage of headlines could be paraphrased as ‘Read This, You’ll Be Outraged!’ Along with the outrage comes a feeling of righteousness, and it would seem that a lot of people find that very appealing.

    • Replies: @anon
    My first awareness of the woke movement was when I noticed that a rapidly rising percentage of headlines could be paraphrased as ‘Read This, You’ll Be Outraged!

    Was that during the days of St. Trayvon?

    Along with the outrage comes a feeling of righteousness, and it would seem that a lot of people find that very appealing.

    You takes the dopamine hits where you can find them. Some vape, for example. Others enjoy being outraged. Others get outraged at vaping while still others are vaping while outraged.
    , @Anon

    Along with the outrage comes a feeling of righteousness, and it would seem that a lot of people find that very appealing.
     
    Because they lack righteousness and they are seeking a cheap, instant gratification imitation of it. This explains pretty much all of so-called "wokeness."
  57. More proof if any were needed that White women are the natural and greatest enemy of the average White man. Particularly fat White women.

    If White men are to save themselves they have to recognize the enemy and disarm them. If women could not vote or hold office things would be better.

    Look at her. How can she not be the enemy of White men? She’s fat and ugly. Which fits 75% of White women these days.

  58. @Achmed E. Newman
    Tech support or casino?

    Last name Singh (which is wierd, apparently Sikhettes take “Kaur”).

  59. @Anon
    I used to work at a tech company that rhymes with Shmalesforce. The CEO invited in Chris Rock to do comedy for a select group of executives. He was quickly accosted by a senor marketing leader who decided that she was not interested in hearing his unwoke comedy. She walked on the stage and took the mike from his hand. Needless to say, she suffered no repercussions and, rather, got a promotion. You have no idea how bad it really is out there.

    If that’s the same one I’ve seen discussed elsewhere it really is a nightmare company.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Employees were heavily encouraged recently to declare their pronouns on their official HR profile.
  60. Anyone remember Dana Carvey’s Ching Chang character? This was the early 90’s. His catch phrase was to say “Bye-Bye-Now! Ok! Bye-Bye-Now!” repeatedly. The show got some heat for the character even back then. But how did the show respond? They created a character, played by Phil Hartman, called “Positive Asian Role Model” and incorporated him in the sketch just to mock the critics. Here’s a sample. I’m a little surprised they haven’t taken it down.
    https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/ching-chang-in-love/n9552

  61. @njguy73
    I like the one where the American and the Japanese guy are talking about the stock market, and it ends with this exchange:

    American: "Fluctuations!"
    Japanese: "Ah, so fruck you round-eyes!"

    Similarly, we know that even as the Chinese range further into space, one thing they’ll never master is the lunar rover. Not to mention the word Similarly.

  62. @Tiny Duck
    I don't think you guys understand how humor works

    Comedy is only effective when it punches up not when it punches down

    The only suitable targets are white christians because they are holding all the power
    Just consider how afraid People of Colour are terrorized in America

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKge0CPrH4

    This is a new [ahem] slant for you, Tiny. Have you been taking advice from your cousin, Fup Duck?

    • Replies: @Senor Moose
    I think Tiny gave up his secret with that post—he’s an Asian dude!

    It makes sense, in light of his extreme preoccupation with interracial dating.
  63. By Maeve Higgins

    Is there any name whiter than Maeve?

    Contributing Opinion Writer

    Let’s all chip in to buy her a name plate for her dressing room door:

    MAEVE HIGGINS, C.O.W.

  64. Why do I get the feeling that Miss Higgins is the kind of comic who has never once said anything funny?

  65. @Glaivester
    The Daily Show has gone downhill since the original host left.

    I'm referring to Craig Kilborn.

    It was funny when it was mostly white guys whose last names started with the letter C.

  66. @Glaivester
    The Daily Show has gone downhill since the original host left.

    I'm referring to Craig Kilborn.

    I agree. A.Whitney Brown, Beth Littleford, Brian Unger , John Bloom and Frank DeCaro were great too.

    What the hell do I know? I can’t stand the fantasy genre and yet Krull is one of my all-time favorite movies.

  67. @Daniel H
    >> There is absolutely no room for comedy, satire, or parody in current year american culture...

    Decades ago Ayatollah Khomeini said (I paraphrase) to an interviewing journalist that there was no room in Islam for laughter. Islam is a deadly serious matter. Today's woke would heartily agree with Khomeini in the sense that there is no room for laughter in woke comedy. It is a deadly serious matter.

    Decades ago Ayatollah Khomeini said (I paraphrase) to an interviewing journalist that there was no room in Islam for laughter. Islam is a deadly serious matter. Today’s woke would heartily agree with Khomeini in the sense that there is no room for laughter in woke comedy. It is a deadly serious matter.

    Comedy is too important to be left to funny people.

  68. Comedy used to be pretty dominated by Jews. (To their credit, they didn’t complain Gentiles we’re keeping them out of comedy). And I still suspect it’s not White – Gentile – men who are keeping (the extremely unfunny) Maeve down. But no word about that. Because if she complained about that, Maeve wouldn’t even get a Monday night slot.

  69. @Glaivester
    The Daily Show has gone downhill since the original host left.

    I'm referring to Craig Kilborn.

    I agree. A.Whitney Brown, Beth Littleford, Brian Unger , John Bloom and Frank DeCaro were great too.

    What the hell do I know? I can’t stand the fantasy genre and yet Krull is one of my all-time favorite movies.

    • Replies: @MacArthur Asswipe

    I agree. A.Whitney Brown, Beth Littleford, Brian Unger , John Bloom and Frank DeCaro were great too.
     
    Ah, yes. It was such a treat to see those brilliant budding satirists from the old Daily Show.

    Currently, A. Whitney Brown hasn’t been heard from in over a decade, and Beth Littleford was most recently seen as another old MILF in something or other. Mo Rocco may or may not have come out of the closet. Craig Kilborn appears to be suffering from some kind of dementia, his Asian nurse handing him mimosas until he passes out, steeped in his own urine on his condo balcony overlooking the Grove. God knows where the other great comedic personalities of the era went. We need them now more than ever, don’t we?
  70. anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ozymandias
    "Who wants to spend their whole life outraged?"

    My first awareness of the woke movement was when I noticed that a rapidly rising percentage of headlines could be paraphrased as 'Read This, You'll Be Outraged!' Along with the outrage comes a feeling of righteousness, and it would seem that a lot of people find that very appealing.

    My first awareness of the woke movement was when I noticed that a rapidly rising percentage of headlines could be paraphrased as ‘Read This, You’ll Be Outraged!

    Was that during the days of St. Trayvon?

    Along with the outrage comes a feeling of righteousness, and it would seem that a lot of people find that very appealing.

    You takes the dopamine hits where you can find them. Some vape, for example. Others enjoy being outraged. Others get outraged at vaping while still others are vaping while outraged.

  71. @Change that Matters
    Standup by Maeve Higgins made me believe in White Privilege.

    https://youtu.be/mzVFoXHFK3A

    So much projection, so few jokes. I wonder if she’s been to Oberlin College yet?

  72. One year after this set, Dice Clay hosted SNL (watch to the end or skip to the end if you like)

    An appearance that was boycotted by the Nora Dunn, who played the stereotypical Asian female in this sketch

    https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/ching-chang-in-love/n9552

  73. @Tiny Duck
    I don't think you guys understand how humor works

    Comedy is only effective when it punches up not when it punches down

    The only suitable targets are white christians because they are holding all the power
    Just consider how afraid People of Colour are terrorized in America

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKge0CPrH4

    No, no. We’ve read your posts. We know how humor works.

  74. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Somebody call Sesame Street, they may be missing Big Bird:

    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Vulture+Festival+Casper+Podcast+Lounge+d5Ry7EgWn7zx.jpg

    “My relationship with standup comedy has improved, especially since it started working on itself and trying to be a better partner.

    I don’t fully trust it not to revert to being a bully, but when it’s good, it’s amazing.

    I’m glad I hung on.”

    Basically she’s saying how she still keeps [email protected] with her standup.

    As good as it gets.

  75. Lemme guess, old Mauve is overweight and ugly and is really pissed at men for noticing her inability to push back from the table has made her overweight and ugly.

  76. So many would-be comics — women, people of color, other marginalized groups — are silenced from the beginnings of their careers.

    And yet, so many manage to make it in the big time. Could it be that the “oppressed” are simply failures? Does she ever do the analysis of the drop-out rate of white males?

  77. HBO and Netflix should be obligated to make sure that 50% of their stand-up specials are women, such as, to take a random example, Maeve Higgins.

  78. @Ibound1
    Trevor Noah is a comedian? I’ve never heard him say a single funny thing. Seriously. Never. Maybe I just missed the funny parts.

    He looks like a retarded Nelson Mandela in a suit. That’s funny.

  79. Here’s where the real silencing happens in the comedy world: So many would-be comics — women, people of color, unfunny people, other marginalized groups — are silenced from the beginnings of their careers. Despite their talent and work ethic, they leave the industry and take their brilliance elsewhere, or perhaps nowhere.

    (Edited for clarity.)

  80. Who’s the best at creating long, awkward silences?
    Bowen Yang, Maeve Higgins, Hannah Gadsby

  81. My relationship with standup comedy has improved, especially since it started working on itself and trying to be a better partner.

    I’m guessing ol’ Maeve thought this bon mot was an absolutely side-splitting bit of observational humor.

    We need Comedy Commissars

    “Gaiety is the most outstanding feature of the Soviet Union.” – Joseph Stalin

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I've long wondered whether Stalin was utterly serious or whether he was hilarious.
  82. @J.Ross
    If that's the same one I've seen discussed elsewhere it really is a nightmare company.

    Employees were heavily encouraged recently to declare their pronouns on their official HR profile.

  83. @Achmed E. Newman
    Tech support or casino?

    Call center not casino

    Leprosy not liquor

  84. @Reg Cæsar
    This is a new [ahem] slant for you, Tiny. Have you been taking advice from your cousin, Fup Duck?

    I think Tiny gave up his secret with that post—he’s an Asian dude!

    It makes sense, in light of his extreme preoccupation with interracial dating.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    A Mandarin Duck?
  85. @Oleaginous Outrager

    My relationship with standup comedy has improved, especially since it started working on itself and trying to be a better partner.
     
    I'm guessing ol' Maeve thought this bon mot was an absolutely side-splitting bit of observational humor.

    We need Comedy Commissars
     
    "Gaiety is the most outstanding feature of the Soviet Union." - Joseph Stalin

    I’ve long wondered whether Stalin was utterly serious or whether he was hilarious.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    I’ve long wondered whether Stalin was utterly serious or whether he was hilarious.

    That depends on whether you were the "Kto" or the "Kovo". The membership of the 2 groups was permeable though, you might start out as a Kto, but end up as a kovo. Traveling in the other direction was a bit more difficult I'm afraid. If you mean did Stalin himself find himself funny or did he take himself completely seriously? It's hard to say , but I think one does see flashes of mordancy/irony in some of Stalin's pronouncements. I wouldn't want to bet my life on it though.
    , @J.Ross
    He said "most outstanding," as in "easiest to see." He probably said that while surrounded by flowers brought by smiling children. Everything we now know was a "conspiracy theory" spread by reaction to defame the glorious Soviet experiment, and America's Paper of Record would at the time set you straight about that.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    A lot of people say Bill Belichek is a funny guy in person. Who knows?
  86. @Steve Sailer
    I've long wondered whether Stalin was utterly serious or whether he was hilarious.

    I’ve long wondered whether Stalin was utterly serious or whether he was hilarious.

    That depends on whether you were the “Kto” or the “Kovo”. The membership of the 2 groups was permeable though, you might start out as a Kto, but end up as a kovo. Traveling in the other direction was a bit more difficult I’m afraid. If you mean did Stalin himself find himself funny or did he take himself completely seriously? It’s hard to say , but I think one does see flashes of mordancy/irony in some of Stalin’s pronouncements. I wouldn’t want to bet my life on it though.

  87. @newrouter
    When did 1950's eastern block/Mao communism take over the cultural "elite"?

    When did 1950’s eastern block/Mao communism take over the cultural “elite”?

    It got rolling in the ’70s with the rise of all the identity/liberation movements who, after much haggling and infighting, decided that hetero white males were the shared enemy oppressing them. Once that analysis got embedded in the academy through the demanded creation of black/gay/women/latinx/critical etc. “studies” departments, the momentum was on their side. It took a few decades for these geniuses to move beyond the academic sandbox to the corporations, media, ad agencies, political machines, and the new thrash pits of social media, but now they are omnipresent, all the while convinced that they continue to be the oppressed fighting the good fight against the Patriarchy, Whiteness, Homophobia, et al.

  88. Here’s where the real silencing happens in the comedy world: So many would-be comics — women, people of color, other marginalized groups — are silenced from the beginnings of their careers.

    Thirty seconds of Hannah Gadsby’s ‘comedy’ would explain, and justify, that silencing. (Is anyone surprised to learn Maeve hails from County Cork?)

    Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men.

    That explains how comedy eventually became a cultural institution. Now it’s an intermittently irritating half-hour on cable tv – less if your remote’s handy.

    I host a show every Monday in Brooklyn with two of my friends.

    Full disclosure: the two friends constitute the audience.

  89. Here’s where the real silencing happens in the comedy world: So many would-be comics — women, people of color, other marginalized groups — are silenced from the beginnings of their careers. Despite their talent and work ethic, they leave the industry and take their brilliance elsewhere, or perhaps nowhere.

    And yet Maeve is still here . . .

    One of the constants of true comedy is that it pokes at human foibles. Putting entire racial and ethnic groups, homosexuals, and one of the two sexes beyond the reach of comedy is paradoxically presenting them all as less than human, although I think the intent is to propose that they’re more than human in that they don’t have foibles.

  90. For anyone to complain that they’re being kept out of stand-up comedy is a pretty hard sell. When women or POC complain that they aren’t getting work as film directors, at least they’re talking about a job where someone has to back you with a great deal of money; without that backing, you can’t do the work. With stand-up there are no barriers to entry. You go to an open-mike night and do your thing, and if the audience responds well, you’re in. Granted, the male comedians may not be nice to you, but they’re not nice to each other, either.

    As Aaron Haspel observed, “Nice isn’t funny, funny isn’t nice, and nice isn’t even especially nice most of the time.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    Exactly. That is the beauty of stand up is it is purely meritocratic. You make people laugh, you're good. Well at least until 2-3 years ago. We are now seeing brilliant careers (like Sam Hyde and Charles whatshisface) killed off before they even get to take flight because of childish militant Marxism. If you can't beat 'em, destroy 'em. They'll make you look bad otherwise.
  91. @prime noticer
    from the recently hired-then-fired SNL member:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DECqrt9p5SA

    rather funny. unlike SNL.

    Holy crap, P.N., that was one of the funniest things I’ve seen in a long time! An LOL by itself was just not gonna cut it.

  92. I’ve heard comics onstage mock women and gay people and black people in a variety of ways that still manage to say nothing new.

    “history isn’t one damn thing after another—it’s the same damn thing over and over again.”
    –Edna St. Vincent-Millay

    “That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun.
    –Ecclesiastes 1:9; New King James Version

    Comics are supposed to be funny, not profound–leave profundity to philosophers.

  93. @Anon

    Comedienne’s Corollary to Sailer’s Law
     
    This is a good passive-aggressive use of comedienne. We need to keep these sex-specific job names in use, like dominatrix ... or is that domina?

    Stewardess remains popular in my book…

  94. @J.Ross
    Gillis was an idiot for accepting that job. Let SNL die, give no help to people who are attacking you. And of course they were going to find out. This wasn't something from college, it was his career material that had made his name. It has even been theorized that Lorne never was serious about hiring him and was doing all this as a proof of wokeness.
    Later he said, "I'm a comedian who was funny enough to be on Saturday Night Live, and I'll always have that." His comeback is comparing himself to Pete Davidson or, y'know, the kid from All That, or that one black guy who attacked the Constitution (not as a joke) on Weekend Update, or that other one with the Irish name.
    4chan gets spammed with this "news" because David Brock thinks this is some kind of Waterloo killing blow that will humiliate The Alt Right (TM).
    The one good thing to come out of this was Norm Macdonald on twitter being brilliantly angry about how it was handled.

    If Gillis wasn’t fired, I’d have never heard of him.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Me too, apparently he was some sort of Youtube Opie and Anthony with a small dedicated following. Would ask about SNL's recruitment methods but I just remembered that they literally hired Leslie Jones because it was a Tuesday.
  95. @PhysicistDave

    Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men. …
     
    Yeah, because like there have never, ever been any wildly successful black guys in comedy... I mean aside from Richard Pryor, Bill Cosby, Dave Chappelle, Eddie Murphy, Arsenio Hall, Chris Rock... did I mention Flip Wilson?

    Of course, all of those black guys sacrificed political correctness to simply being funny, so they don't count.

    Comedy, like so many of our cultural institutions, remains dominated by men, usually straight and white men.

    Hmm. I thinking of a good answer.

    An answer that makes sense given the information supplied.

    Is it because whites are a majority?

    And women aren’t funny…

  96. @Steve Sailer
    I've long wondered whether Stalin was utterly serious or whether he was hilarious.

    He said “most outstanding,” as in “easiest to see.” He probably said that while surrounded by flowers brought by smiling children. Everything we now know was a “conspiracy theory” spread by reaction to defame the glorious Soviet experiment, and America’s Paper of Record would at the time set you straight about that.

  97. She looks like Rosie O’Donnell’s meaner, bigger sister.

    She is the physical archetype of a common cock-blocker. The audience would certainly be far more likely to believe in her cock-blocking stories.

    They’ll be polite, but they never buy her lies about dating, as all American men of every age would sooner face-fuck a pit bull, than have their penis anywhere in the vicinity of that malicious gaping hell maw.

  98. @Jack D
    Wow, I feel like I am really out of touch. Sebastian Maniscalco. Gabriel Iglesias. Terry Fator. These names mean absolutely nothing to me. I have no idea who they are.

    LOL You haven’t heard of Sebastian Maniscalco??

    Granted he is newer to stardom, but he is everywhere now. In fact I read recently somewhere that he is the fifth highest paid comedian of 2019. Try watching Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee maybe? G-d!!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    >he is everywhere now
    So he is on controlled channels which real humans don't follow, because those channels are controlled, and therefore boring and misleading. This was one of the biggest lessons of 2016, this is how such booksmart trendies can be totally surprised, this is why they killed infinitichan, and why they want to turn the whole internet into FaceZuck-AmaScam-CensorTube. No backchannels, no dissent.
  99. @Ozymandias
    "Who wants to spend their whole life outraged?"

    My first awareness of the woke movement was when I noticed that a rapidly rising percentage of headlines could be paraphrased as 'Read This, You'll Be Outraged!' Along with the outrage comes a feeling of righteousness, and it would seem that a lot of people find that very appealing.

    Along with the outrage comes a feeling of righteousness, and it would seem that a lot of people find that very appealing.

    Because they lack righteousness and they are seeking a cheap, instant gratification imitation of it. This explains pretty much all of so-called “wokeness.”

  100. Anon[994] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    For anyone to complain that they're being kept out of stand-up comedy is a pretty hard sell. When women or POC complain that they aren't getting work as film directors, at least they're talking about a job where someone has to back you with a great deal of money; without that backing, you can't do the work. With stand-up there are no barriers to entry. You go to an open-mike night and do your thing, and if the audience responds well, you're in. Granted, the male comedians may not be nice to you, but they're not nice to each other, either.

    As Aaron Haspel observed, "Nice isn't funny, funny isn't nice, and nice isn't even especially nice most of the time."

    Exactly. That is the beauty of stand up is it is purely meritocratic. You make people laugh, you’re good. Well at least until 2-3 years ago. We are now seeing brilliant careers (like Sam Hyde and Charles whatshisface) killed off before they even get to take flight because of childish militant Marxism. If you can’t beat ’em, destroy ’em. They’ll make you look bad otherwise.

  101. @Forbes
    If Gillis wasn't fired, I'd have never heard of him.

    Me too, apparently he was some sort of Youtube Opie and Anthony with a small dedicated following. Would ask about SNL’s recruitment methods but I just remembered that they literally hired Leslie Jones because it was a Tuesday.

    • LOL: Forbes
  102. @Jack D
    Wow, I feel like I am really out of touch. Sebastian Maniscalco. Gabriel Iglesias. Terry Fator. These names mean absolutely nothing to me. I have no idea who they are.

    John Oliver (yes that one, this was before the cancer metastasized) had a stand-up program introducing new comedians, and it was great. It was the only one of its type that was consistently funny (A&E and CBC had several unkillable attempts at this which were never funny once). This was right on the cutoff before the range of acceptable “jokes” became pledging to triple your production quota as opposed to doubling it. There was a guy named Fabrice Fabrice, the name so nice, you gotta say it — again. He shouted at the heart of the world: you know who loves fried chicken? Black people. You know who else loves fried chicken? Everybody.

  103. @Anon
    LOL You haven't heard of Sebastian Maniscalco??

    Granted he is newer to stardom, but he is everywhere now. In fact I read recently somewhere that he is the fifth highest paid comedian of 2019. Try watching Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee maybe? G-d!!

    >he is everywhere now
    So he is on controlled channels which real humans don’t follow, because those channels are controlled, and therefore boring and misleading. This was one of the biggest lessons of 2016, this is how such booksmart trendies can be totally surprised, this is why they killed infinitichan, and why they want to turn the whole internet into FaceZuck-AmaScam-CensorTube. No backchannels, no dissent.

  104. @Anonymous
    There is absolutely no room for comedy, satire, or parody in current year american culture. All of the laughter I hear these days is an smug, condescending expression of passive aggressive anger.
    No happiness. No mirth. No empathy. No enjoyment.

    For all the talk about "vibrant diversity" the United States,its people, in their behavior, are as drab and gray and boring and strident and interchangeable as the citizens of Nikolai Ceausescu's Romania, circa 1977.

    I honestly wonder what the actual hell all these woke types are getting out of it. Who wants to spend their whole life associating with such generic, miserable people? Who wants to spend their whole life outraged?

    “I honestly wonder what the actual hell all these woke types are getting out of it.”

    Misery loves company.

  105. “Crabs in a Bucket” is exactly right. This alleged comedian and writer might not believe she’s next in line for the job, but after 14 years of helplessly watching while hundreds of unfunny, woman-hating racists, transphobes and all-around bigots like Gillis sail past her and move on to television and movies — only to unfunnily spew anti-gay and racist tropes without a critical peep from the press — she’s happy just to see that SOMETHING CAN go right in this business.

    That is pathetic. Not only does the ritual sacrifice of an enemy of woken-ness give her hope; it’s apparently the only thing giving her the faith to carry on and continue doing comedy. Despite the (presumably receptive and encouraging) hot crowds at her awesome, diverse weekly show in Brooklyn, standup comedy still made her feel bad about herself. The only thing that makes her feel better about herself is when someone funnier than her doesn’t get something.

  106. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Somebody call Sesame Street, they may be missing Big Bird:

    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Vulture+Festival+Casper+Podcast+Lounge+d5Ry7EgWn7zx.jpg

    And Maeve Higgins might have an Irish name, but she looks about as Irish as Caleb McLaughlin.

  107. Women are in general amazingly unfunny the best you can realistically hope for is a good sense of humor or a pleasant laugh.The funniest person ive met in person was a mullatta on the treadmill next around the time trayvon martin was in the news.
    She was telling me about her cousin mark who had just spent six years in prison for dealing drugs.When she saw him and asked him what his plans were he explained to her he’d learned his lesson and wasted six years of his life due to being mixed up in drugs and would never make that mistake again…..from now on he was only robbing people.
    She was in disbelief this was the game plan he’d come up with with six years to ponder his future.She said mark let me ask you something if Jesus had appeared in your cell the first day in you were in there and said Mark im gonna get you out of here but you have to promise me your gonna get a job goto work and then go home to your fanily(she repeated this 3 times).Would you have took that deal Mark? He responded “oh hell yeah”! To which she responded ” well take it now mothafucka!”
    I dont know if thats funny in my retelling.Her name was Amber.I cant remenber what day it is but i rembember her name because it is so rare to meet a gal who makes you laugh multiple times.

  108. SCTV – The Tim Ishimuni Show

    Live via satellite from Tokyo, Tim Ishimuni chats with his guest, Grogan, about radiation, his new book, what irritates him, whether he still has an irrational need to crush small things.

  109. @anonymous
    I agree. A.Whitney Brown, Beth Littleford, Brian Unger , John Bloom and Frank DeCaro were great too.

    What the hell do I know? I can't stand the fantasy genre and yet Krull is one of my all-time favorite movies.

    I agree. A.Whitney Brown, Beth Littleford, Brian Unger , John Bloom and Frank DeCaro were great too.

    Ah, yes. It was such a treat to see those brilliant budding satirists from the old Daily Show.

    Currently, A. Whitney Brown hasn’t been heard from in over a decade, and Beth Littleford was most recently seen as another old MILF in something or other. Mo Rocco may or may not have come out of the closet. Craig Kilborn appears to be suffering from some kind of dementia, his Asian nurse handing him mimosas until he passes out, steeped in his own urine on his condo balcony overlooking the Grove. God knows where the other great comedic personalities of the era went. We need them now more than ever, don’t we?

  110. That Fireman video wasn’t even very funny, just stupid.

  111. @Steve Sailer
    I've long wondered whether Stalin was utterly serious or whether he was hilarious.

    A lot of people say Bill Belichek is a funny guy in person. Who knows?

  112. @Senor Moose
    I think Tiny gave up his secret with that post—he’s an Asian dude!

    It makes sense, in light of his extreme preoccupation with interracial dating.

    A Mandarin Duck?

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