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From the Columbia University Spectator:

Columbia University Marching Band votes to disband after 116 years
By Lizzie Karpen

September 15, 2020

After a history of disagreements with University administration and students, the Columbia University Marching Band voted to disband on Saturday night.

The self-proclaimed “cleverest band in the world” voted to disband the organization on Saturday evening after 116 years of performing music, making controversial jokes, and disputing with both Columbia’s administration and the student body.

In a statement provided to Spectator by band leadership, the club’s leadership, known as the Bored, wrote, “The Band has unanimously and enthusiastically decided to dissolve. The Columbia University Marching Band will not continue to exist in any capacity and will no longer serve as a Columbia spirit group.”

Columbia has a “scramble band” much like Rice U. and the Stanford band that got dented by the Cal player on the triumphant last play of the 1982 Cal-Stanford big game:

The point of a scramble band at a difficult college like Columbia or Rice (I don’t know what Stanford’s excuse is other than they are Stanford) is that instead of practicing endlessly like Ohio State’s band does so that they can play and march simultaneously, a scramble band just runs from one static position to another spelling out a funny thing and then plays music once they are in place.

For example, in 1973 the Rice Marching Owl Band (MOB) formed a fire hydrant as an insult to the visiting Texas A&M Aggies and their mascot dog Reveille.

When James Sykes ran back a kickoff in the last moments to win the game for Rice, the more numerous A&M fans went berserk and held the M.O.B. hostage in their own stadium for two hours after the game until the Rice food service vans carted them off the field.

The point is that a scramble band isn’t sufficiently woke for 2020.

Whether this is a joke or dead serious, I duno.

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  1. Zpaladin says:

    My impression at Stanford is that the band members in high school were the uncool kids: the music nerds who didn’t fit in. At Stanford, surrounded by nerds, they didn’t fit in by drinking heavily and rebelling against the administration. At Cal, you rebel by wearing a uniform and drilling march formations. At Stanford, you rebel by failing to give a single damn at anything and giving the middle finger to authority. Both bands are outliers at their respective schools.
    If someone said that Stanford students are a bunch of conformist nerds who don’t party but just study, we could always point to the band. We partied And rebelled vicariously through them.

  2. sayless says:

    /performing music, making controversial jokes, and disputing with Columbia’s administration and the student body/

    What’s wrong with any of that? Sounds like they’ve been adding Depth and Texture to the Columbia Experience. Bring them back. The lefty atmosphere over there is stifling.

    They sound like fun. You’re only young once.

    • Replies: @tr
  3. Grumpy says:

    Didn’t members of the Rice MOB blow whistles randomly during a Texas A&M marching band performance and manage to throw the A&M band off its routine? Whether true or not, it’s the stuff of legend.

    • Replies: @guest007
    , @Jim Don Bob
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  5. My first impression is that this is a put-on, a joke, and it may well be. On the other hand, this is 2020: You don’t joke about the Woke.

  6. When I was a student – early 80s – we looked to the movie Animal House as a role model for what students were supposed to be – even if we didn’t have the guts to rise to that level of shenanigans. That movie would never be made today. Irreverence is so passe.

  7. guest007 says:

    Supposedly the marching band had irritated enough admin types on campus that it had lost its funding. Maybe this is a way out that is part joke and part insult to the university.


    When are you going to review Matt Yglesias’s 1 Billion Americans. The reviews so far seem to point out that Yglesias does not really bother to justify a massive increase in immigration but just writes about how to do it. Also, no one seems to ask him in interviews how massive increases in immigration work with his desire to increase family size.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    , @Bubba
  8. Very good. I hate sports ball and I’m happy to see all it and its adjacent nonsense slowly deleted either by coronavirus or the woke tsunami.

    • Agree: Ray Huffman
    • Troll: Chris Mallory
  9. The point is that a scramble band isn’t sufficiently woke for 2020.

    The bigger point is that this country just isn’t any fun anymore. That goes back way before wokeness.

  10. Back in my day at Princeton, the marching band kids were a fun-loving and hip crowd. They loved the corniness, the scrambles, the jokes, the music. It was loads of fun for them as well as for the audience.

    BTW, have you noticed the news about U of Chicago and its English Dept? Check out the language:

    English as a discipline has a long history of providing aesthetic rationalizations for colonization, exploitation, extraction, and anti-Blackness. Our discipline is responsible for developing hierarchies of cultural production that have contributed directly to social and systemic determinations of whose lives matter and why.

    And while inroads have been made in terms of acknowledging the centrality of both individual literary works and collective histories of racialized and colonized people, there is still much to do as a discipline and as a department to build a more inclusive and equitable field for describing, studying, and teaching the relationship between aesthetics, representation, inequality, and power.

    At U of Chicago!!!

    Who writes, thinks or speaks like this?

  11. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    University of Chicago English Department says it will ONLY admit ‘Black Studies’ grad students this year.

    In which U of C tries to transform itself into an historically black college. Seriously, there are schools that are already ‘all black studies.’ Blacks already have colleges like Howard and Spelman, etc. Once U of C goes ‘all black studies,’ the white students wanting white knowledge will just go elsewhere. So will their money and the donors. Almost all black colleges have a major problem raising cash. U of C happens to be located in a ghetto. Once its programs become ones that only blacks want to attend, all reason for whites to go there will vanish, the college having no more attractions for them. At that point, U of C will start having the typical black college problem of raising money, and go under.

    • Replies: @Anon
  12. tr says: • Website

    The revolution has no place for jokes. The revolution has no place for fun.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  13. Yngvar says:

    In the same vein:

    It’s time to let go of old ‘treasured history’.
    Fort MacArthur, Los Angeles, was built as a artillery position against the (supposed) ‘yellow threat’. The museum now occupy very valuable real estate.

    A museum. For what? The fight against minorities, that’s what!


  14. Researchers at Rutgers have managed to assemble and release more information about Antifa networks than the entire MSM oe Federal Government:

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  15. If the Columbia U. marching band was founded on cultural oppression, racism, misogyny and sexual harassment, it seems only natural to suspect that Columbia U. itself is founded on the same — how else did such a vile organization arise out of the university unless the university was a fertile ground for such?

    I can see no other alternative than to enthusiastically shut down Columbia U. for the protection of all oppressed and marginalized peoples (and those who identify as other than people).

  16. Alfa158 says:

    I suppose then the Columbia Marching String Quartet is also disbanded? It would have made even more sense to disband them since all their music is Hideously White.
    The groundskeepers are probably relieved. The viola and cello players must have been doing a lot of damage to the turf scraping their chairs along a la Woody Allen.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @Joe Stalin
  17. JimB says:

    When a group of smart aleck white kids reaches critical mass, no sacred cow is safe.

  18. Who writes, thinks or speaks like this?

    Politruks and hangers-on. Nothing new under the sun.

  19. How about cancelling the University and keeping the band?

  20. gent says:
    @Paleo Retiree

    I can translate it from hebrew
    1. White people speak English
    2. We need to use English to teach them that they are low status
    3. Please fund my grant

  21. J1234 says:

    For example, in 1973 the Rice Marching Owl Band (MOB) formed a fire hydrant as an insult to the visiting Texas A&M Aggies and their mascot dog Reveille.

    That’s funny! In fairness to Texas A&M, the most impressive thing I’ve seen at a college football game (I don’t really like football) was a marching band performance by A&M. They received a standing ovation from the opposing crowd at halftime.

  22. Bill P says:

    My oldest son (plays sax in a HS band) told me yesterday that bands have been cancelled everywhere in Canada except for BC due to the coronavirus. Playing instruments is supposedly hazardous.

    From the letter above it looks like someone started slandering certain band members, and rather than pointlessly try to defend themselves at a college, they opted to just dissolve the band. Problem solved.

    That’s what I’d do. I think we’ll see more of this in the future.

    • Replies: @Anon
  23. Mr. Blank says:

    “Marching bands are racist” would come as quite a shock to most HBCUs. For a lot of them, the marching band is an even bigger deal than the football team.

  24. El Dato says:

    OT: Movie review of the abortion buddy comedy “unpregnant”: Stillborn comedy Unpregnant is a mess of a movie, but succeeds as a piece of pro-abortion propaganda

    Unpregnant wraps itself so tight in liberal political correctness it could pass for a social justice mummy. The movie has all the right heroes and heroines, and all the proper enemies to appease the woke faithful.

    For instance, the film exerts a great deal of energy proving it isn’t racist by having every single black person in the movie be a wonderful ally to the abortion cause.

    Yes, these black people, like Peg, the pawn shop owner with the heart of gold, Jarrod, the local cowboy with the heart of gold, and Bob, the apocalyptic conspiracist with the heart of gold, are all edgy and dangerous. But ultimately, due to their previously mentioned hearts of gold, they end up being kind and extremely helpful to Ivy League-bound, suburban white girl Veronica in her abortion quest.

    This is called “getting dumb white girls killed”.

    And just in case viewers were confused about the cultural politics of the movie, there’s a superfluous lesbian romance thrown in too.


    The film does currently boast an 85 percent critical score at Rotten Tomatoes, but I think that has everything to do with it being a shameless advertisement for abortion and a woke utopian wet dream of anti-Christianity for establishment liberals, rather than any honest analysis of its artistic or entertainment merits.

    Fully expecting a movie about the liberating side of establishment satanism and Pizza distribution next.

    • Replies: @jon
    , @SFG
  25. usNthem says:

    Yeah, I’ll bet they “enthusiastically” voted to disband. This former country needs a reset, stat.

  26. Anon[518] • Disclaimer says:

    When I first heard this I thought it was a troll, because that is exactly the kind of thing CUMB used to do, but it doesn’t look like it. The band’s performances—punctuated with outrageous humor—in Butler library the night before the organic chem final, “orgo night”, were among the few truly organic traditions at that university.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  27. @Paleo Retiree

    Re Bill P above:

    I think we’ll see more of this in the future.

    Until the last white person or thing is enslaved, erased, or exterminated. Good Whites welcome all of the above. They’ve been trained well.

  28. A big part of the whole “defund” mania is the tacit assumption that the money saved from any cancelled program will get rerouted to blacks and other dysfunctional ne’er do wells as some sort of social justice dividend. Apparently, all of my money is supposed to go to angry Negros so they can continue to bump along without ever having to change themselves; something which will never happen. There is a significant number of people on the left that understand in their heart of hearts, that no matter what we do, it will never have any effect on raising their productivity. At best it helps them feel better and wards off the feral mobs.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  29. Lurker says:
    @Prof. Woland

    and wards off the feral mobs

    They hope.

    • Replies: @Julian of Norwich
  30. Rumor has it this is a prank/ hoax, which would be very on-brand

  31. MEH 0910 says:

    Woody Allen’s Cello Marching Band (from Take the Money and Run )

  32. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:

    My guess is that a bunch of Asians who were forced to play music by their immigrant parents saw their opportunity to tell their parents their long tuba nightmare is finally over.

  33. Mike Tre says:

    What if they became a Kneeling Band. Could they be allowed to reform?

  34. Rob says:
    @Paleo Retiree

    If I had to guess, I’d say English has been harder-hit by post sixties culture and wokeness for a couple related reasons. The first is that it was very heavily WASP. They were a very cultivated and mannered bunch. They were self-consciously cosmopolitan, and were a very easy target for Jews, who are verbally adept, in addition to other traits that made conquering English departments easy. In addition to Jews came lots of female faculty. Even the Gentile women fell very easily for the solidarity of oppressed peoples. Given a high proportion of Jews and lefty women, along with subjective standards, they were very welcoming of minority women, who couldn’t write very well, and covered it up by writing very badly. Truly the horrible writing of people whose job was teaching English is a sight to behold. English departments had always been vulnerable to theory, and having lots of people who were nonjudgmental, lots with a poor sense of aesthetics, and enemies of Western Civilization meant the invasion of critical theory was one before a shot was fired.

    Critical theory is ‘great.’ Pushed by people who have no business reading anything more advanced than a fortune cookie, it analyzes everything in terms of power relationships. Basically, anyone who can handle a pen was privileged and wrote to enforce societies’ dominance by, well, I think you can guess. The big deal of critical theory was that dumb minorities in the field could no write about booms and cultures they didn’t need to learn about, and honestly, couldn’t even if they had tried.

    Critical theory kept meritocracy under a wet blanket. It gave everyone white, male, and not, y’know, the hint that they wanted to avoid the English Department, and gave a Snuggie® to more dross incapable of reading at a high level.

    Critical theory and its disciples also kept many Jews and women out of English Departments, but it kept out the right ones. While English was becoming less welcoming to normal women, other majors were opening up, which took any pressure that departments would have felt otherwise minimal. Despite pulling in lots of Others, upper-division English lit and composition enrollment did decline. There just aren’t enough enemies of civilization with an academic temperament to fill all the courses.

    So English departments started shrinking, you say? Not really. Every freshman needs to take English classes, so there were still lots of jobs for English profs. These new profs were very happy to give grades consistent with what critical theory implied for social justice.

    I went to college before things got really bad, and Reed’s Humanities 110 course was old school. I even went before Reed tacked Tenochtitlan and the Harlem Renaissance to Greece and Rome. Though I imagine that doing all four in the same course really drives home the superiority of our civilization.

    So yeah, English departments are way woker than any other. University of Chicago might have rigorous academics, but they have to hire English profs out of the same grad schools as everyone else, and they are all terrible. Like everyone under eighty needs to be fired, come la Revolución.

  35. @Paleo Retiree

    Paleo, we to ditch the word “inequality.” Siblings and blood relatives are not equal, you can’t create equality.

  36. When I was in school, the marching band was far more entertaining than the football team ever was. One of their signature tunes was “Psycho Killer”.

    And we have the Trojans marching band to thank for the marvelous “Tusk”. That alone is lot more than negro football thugs ever give us.

  37. The amateur band at my college was uniformly despised by everyone else. Because they were obnoxious.

  38. Kronos says:

    Press F to pay respects?

  39. guest007 says:

    The Texas A&M band screw up was in 1981.

    Rice University also had a 10 foot phallic symbol in the student section and a multi-story banner hanging off of a down that used a vulgar term as a suggestion to the students as Texas A&M.

    In the old Southwest Conference, Rice and A&M were the schools that were the furtherest apart culturally.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  40. astorian says:

    I went to Columbia and graduated in 1983 (me and some dude named Obama; wonder what ever happened to him).

    Now, at that time, the Columbia football program wasn’t just bad, it was unprecedentedly awful! The football team didn’t win a single game during my time there. They actually broke Northwestern’s record for consecutive losses by a college football team! Years later, Prairie View A & M shattered our record. Strangely enough, the Columbia quarterback was very good. His name was John Witkowski, and he spent a few years in the NFL. I even saw him play in a Monday night game for the Detroit Lions.

    Was anyone at Columbia heartbroken or embarrassed by our football team’s woes? Er, no. Most students were only vaguely aware that we had a football team. I never went to a game, nor did any classmates I knew of. The team played at Baker Field, which was not near the campus. Most students, myself included, had only the foggiest idea where the stadium was or how to get there!

    Since we had a terrible team playing at a stadium in the middle of nowhere in front of practically nobody, it’s only logical that the “band” turned to pure comedy. Unlike the Rice band, which consisted of numerous talented musicians with a whimsical sense of humor, the Columbia band consisted of a handful of terrible musicians and even NON-musicians who engaged in bizarre jokes and only made occasional forays into anything resembling music.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  41. @Achmed E. Newman

    This is a crucial point. Back when the charming, brilliant Sean Connery was James Bond, the entire subtext of the Bond movies was the Cold War, and the message was that the West was going to win, not because of superior “virtue,” but because we were funnier, sexier, and built more intriguing gadgets. Which taken in toto is a kind of virtue in itself.

    Now the sexless, unpleasant, extremely charmless and unfunny Daniel Craig is Bond — and he comes off more as a Bond villain than as Bond himself. Aparrently the next “Bond” is to be a BLM shegress… IOW not Bond at all, IOW while we went back to headquarters “for debriefing and cocktails,” the (((Commies))) kept tirelessly burrowing away, and (((they))) won after all.

  42. @Grumpy

    I was at a Rice Aggie game in Houston in the early 80s and the Aggie band tried to do this maneuver where they reversed direction at the end of the field and then tried to march back in between the rows. I don’t know if Rice whistles were blown (we’d been drinking the whole game) but some of the Aggies collided with each other. It was hilarious.

  43. jon says:
    @El Dato

    87% critic score, 37% user score. That’s the worst ratio I’ve ever seen.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Cloudbuster
  44. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Highly unlikely. They claim Antifa is using Twitter to promote violence, but Twitter’s policies clearly prohibit that! It’s our main bulwark against naughtiness.

  45. Twitter lets Democrat PAC push #TrumpIsAPedo after banning videos of Biden as ‘child exploitation’

  46. slumber_j says:
    @Paleo Retiree

    I wrote this in a previous thread, but:

    As my 13yo son paraphrased Henry Ford in response to this news, “You can study anything you want as long as it’s black.”

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  47. Muggles says:

    I went to Rice U like iSteve, and had a friend in the Marching Owl Band (MOB) freshman year.

    Our friend and several other non band members (and I) pulled a halftime prank on the MOB and everyone else. (They all later became doctors!)

    Our band friend played trombone. Way back then the security at the stadium player entrances wasn’t much. Our little band of brothers liberated some boomsticks, some bed sheets and donned some white shirts and black slacks. We crept down to the stadium field entrance used by the MOB and waited until their performance was nearly over. Tied the sheets over the broomsticks with pins.

    Our trombonist friend started to march off, or crazily run off (as was the practice) but he feigned stumbling and falling down, dropping his instrument. The three fake “attendants” then ran out into the field with the fake stretcher, ran over to him, grabbed the trombone and ran off with the trombone on the stretcher in a dead heat.

    We all zoomed out of the stadium hearing the crowd laugh. No one but us knew it was a gag.

    Our friend was temporarily suspended from the MOB. The Southwest Conference muckety-mucks were unhappy and wanted Rice to track us down and expel us, so we heard. We laid low and kept quiet. Nothing ever happened though. But they do take college football seriously in Texas.

    Then there was our freeloading on the MOB trip to Mardi Gras. That’s another tale…

    • Replies: @dvorak
  48. MEH 0910 says:

    Centennial Series: The evolution of the MOB at Rice

    The Rice University Marching Owl Band, more commonly known today as “the MOB,” has been in existence since the Rice Institute opened its doors 100 years ago. The MOB’s first band director was Wilson Betts, a student from the first entering class at the institute. While it wasn’t until the early 1970s that the persona of the MOB would be to make a mockery of current events with a sketch show, the early band’s roots did show a flair for what would become a tradition at Rice University for years to come. To read the complete news release on the MOB, go to

  49. @guest007

    I looked at some articles, and this appears to be the case.

  50. @FruitDestroyer

    Irreverence, snark and sarcasm at its finest, all in a single, two-minute scene:

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  51. @tr

    More broadly, The Revolution has no place for life.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  52. @Paleo Retiree

    At U of Chicago!!!

    Chicago’s probably the biggest university Columbia could beat in football. Because it’s intramural there. Or Division III. Easy to confuse the two.

  53. @FruitDestroyer

    And what could be more irreverent today than the Fabre College motto: Knowledge is good.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  54. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:

    The first is that it was very heavily WASP. They were a very cultivated and mannered bunch. They were self-consciously cosmopolitan, and were a very easy target for Jews, who are verbally adept, in addition to other traits that made conquering English departments easy.

    If by “WASPs” you mean certain strains of the New England crowd, I’d say that’s true. They were very easily dominated and pushed aside by Jews.

  55. @Ben tillman

    More broadly, The Revolution has no place for life.

    But it does have a place for women, as long as they’re prone. So said Stokely/Kwame.

  56. @Alfa158

    No more “Goodbye to Love” from the String Quartet?


  57. Fox says:
    @Paleo Retiree

    The university system has made itself superfluous. The only thought that came to me when reading this announcement from the English Department was: Does the author this text have Sh* for brains?

    In any case, after the high of moral high flight there will have to be acquired the degree from the University of Life by each and everyone of the people who set their own house on fire to get a bit of warmth for a while in a terribly cold world.

  58. SFG says:
    @El Dato

    Just checked the ratings: 87 critics, 38 audience.

    Woke and bad? Credible enough.

  59. Anon[205] • Disclaimer says:

    OK, that adds some context. The idea that a mere twenty students could disband an entire college marching band in a meeting sounded fishy to me. I suspect this “band” may have barely been a scramble band … more a spirit squad.

    Given that the days of football games and “banding” are over for the foreseeable future, they have nothing to lose, whether this is a joke or opportunistic virtue signaling.

    On a side note, how long does Jonathan Chait have before the revolutionary guards at New York magazine run him out? Lately he has gone out of his way to be … centrist.

  60. @Anon


    I suspected at first that it was a joke, but then I realized that you can’t even make fun of SJW’s being over the top any more without being attacked, especially at a violent communist institution like Columbia.

    In the alternative, the band may have begun it as a joke, but then realized if they announced the punchline they’d be assaulted, so they have to keep playing along.

  61. @Ben tillman

    Faber. WTF would Autocorrect think I meant Fabre?

  62. Those scramble bands sport straw hats and blazers. They look ridiculous.

    They sound worse than the average, high school marching band.

    Their half-time, musical selections and skits are always goof ball. The obnoxious announcer comes across as moronic as Howie Mandel.

    Their solemn-ish, post-game rendition of the alma mater is worst of all: Old-money alums welling-up with pride while issuing geriatric Sieg Heils.

    Privileged and pathetic.

    I’ll take the sound and precision of those Big-10 marching bands, and the debauchery of their home crowd, any day.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  63. @Rob

    paging syonredux, paging syonredux, please report to your keyboard and provide your perspective.

    • Replies: @Rob
  64. MEH 0910 says:

    That was a preview, not a review.

  65. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Do black lives really matter as much as they would have us believe?

    I think whites folks have been pranked!

  66. @Reg Cæsar

    So, in other words… It’s

    “Nicholas Cage steps into the Ugmotron, to make himself even MORE unappealing”


    “George Clooney and Will Ferrell step into a matter transporter, and wind up as some hideous The Fly-type genetic blend.”

    I’m sure we can find some feminist harridan who is a weird combination of Natalie Portman and Phyllis Diller.

  67. The 2002 movie “Drumline,” about a black college marching band, is a lot of fun.

    Fwiw, as far as I’m concerned, the black college marching band is a great American cultural product. I’m surprised more isn’t made out of them by the arts-and-culture set, and I’m surprised that more movies don’t make use of the setting.

    • Replies: @guest007
    , @black sea
  68. guest007 says:
    @Paleo Retiree

    Bands at HBCUs get away with stuff that bands at non-HBCU could never do. Florida A&M managed to kill one of the band members during hazing. During the later lawsuits, it was learned that less than 50% of the band members were actually current students at Florida A&M.

  69. 216 says:

    Off topic:

    Kiwis not rotting in fields

    Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker has taken a ‘’hardass’’ approach to concerns the Government isn’t doing enough to bring overseas workers into New Zealand to fill labour shortage gaps during Covid-19.

    Parker responded: ‘’I am a hardass there. Compete for labour. That’s my first and strongest message.’’

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  70. @Paleo Retiree

    Who writes, thinks or speaks like this?

    Everybody who has received a Ph.D. from an American or British university in the last three decades, alas. I have a close friend from my undergraduate days who went on to get his Ph.D. and is a chaired professor of English at an Ivy. He long ago confided that speaking the lingo was essential to survival in his chosen profession and de rigueur in academic discussions, even if your research interests were completely traditional (his is 15th century English lit.) He cloaks himself in it the moment he steps into his department.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Kibernetika
  71. At the end of the day, who gives a shit. It’s like eliminating the green M&Ms.

  72. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Retiree

    Football (and sports in general) is an afterthought at the Ivy League. The only game that even remotely matters is the Harvard-Yale game. The only surprise here is that Columbia even had a marching band. Columbia is vying for the “most liberal Ivy” crown with Brown, and is definitely much more academically rigorous than Brown due to its Core Curriculum. Most Columbia kids probably don’t even have time to attend football games, the Core requires them to read one book per week all through Freshman and Sophomore years, and not just any books but classics by Homer, Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine etc., even the Bible and the Quran.

    Stanford is in the Pac-12 with football powerhouses like USC, UW, UofO, WSU, UCLA, Cal. Not even in the same league. I’m surprised they have a scramble band, and one that is not at all in keeping with Stanford’s image as an elite college:

    These antics look right out of the 70’s hippies age, really quite outdated. Perhaps it’s time for Stanford to get rid of them too.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  73. Dissolving the band because of racism to get out of having to go to practice seems like a very band kid thing to do.

  74. Chait deleted his Tweet, probably figuring thathat the band was just kidding.
    See screenshot.

    Bari Weiss’s tweet still up:

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  75. dvorak says:

    The point of a scramble band at a difficult college like Columbia or Rice (I don’t know what Stanford’s excuse is


  76. @slumber_j

    Smart kid! He should be careful.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
  77. dvorak says:

    Our friend and several other non band members (and I) pulled a halftime prank on the MOB and everyone else.

    Who pranks the pranksters? You do. Well done.

  78. Anon[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    Playing instruments is supposedly hazardous.

    The Japanese public broadcaster, NHK, which has an orchestra and operates some concert halls, had scientists set up a droplet dispersion lab and tested all the concert wind instruments. The trumpet is bad news, but several others were not as much of a problem as you’d think.

    They also filled up a top-lit auditorium stage with movie smoke and did various tests to see how it circulated. The first thing I noticed is that before any ventilation tests the smoke formed its own weather system with eddies and swirls and surface-of-Jupiter stuff going on.

  79. Anon[287] • Disclaimer says:

    University of Chicago English Department says it will ONLY admit ‘Black Studies’ grad students this year.

    A surprising percentage of the critical/pomo staff of universities is attached to the English department. It’s a real problem because freshmen have to take a beginning English course, and they find out that the course is not English (and correcting grammar or dictating compositional structure is frowned upon these days), but rather ethnic or gender studies or trans activism, or whatever.

    If I were king of the world, or president of a university, I’d do what Stanford did when they split the anthropology department into two to separate the warring factions: I’d rename all these legacy departments “Critical [former name]” and make no other changes, wait a year, then launch additional new departments with new staff using the former names. So you’d have the legacy Critical English, and then also English (which would be completely apolitical, and they’d correct your style and grammar), Critical Gender Studies would suddenly have an evil doppelganger “Gender Studies,” where professors would need to have medical or advanced biology, psychology, economics, genetics, neuroscience, or whatever degrees and would studies things like biologically, psychologically, and genetically what’s the actual deal with transgenders? What’s (scientifically) up with those people?

  80. College football telecasts used to give the bands a few well-earned minutes of airtime at halftime, which they only do now for Grambling-Howard or that kind of thing. Now it’s back to some lugs in the studio for halftime highlights of other games, Buckeyes blowing out Bowling Green and so on.

    My best friend at Mizzou was in the band and had a great time. It was a highly rated “show band” — kind of halfway between scatter and Ohio State-precision. Bands add so much to the fun and spirit but both of those concepts seem to be on the way out.

  81. Anon[738] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Sorority girl from Franklin and Marshall College is accused of felony arson, felony vandalism, felony riot, failure to disperse, obstructing highways and other public passages, disorderly conduct, and defiant trespass with additional counts of criminal conspiracy, in Lancaster, PA, and lands 1 million dollar bail for her retarded self.

    You think rioting is the new sorority pledge? Her bland, stupid blank face has that useful idiot look.

    Lancaster appears to be throwing the book at rioters and charging them with anything and everything. Several other Lancaster rioters have been socked with a million dollar bail. Since some of the worst offenders already are felons, if any of them jump bail–and they’ll be tempted to vanish–Lancaster is going to make bank off these dirtbags.

    All municipalities should be charging massive bail for rioters just as a potential source of revenue. Liberals are crowd-funding the bail, and at some point, some bail-jumper will leave a city with cash to help pay for damage from the riots and fund all that police overtime. All coming out of liberal-retard donation money. I’m constantly amazed at liberals who keep throwing money at criminals and expect utopia to appear. Liberals are so incredibly STUPID.

    By the way, if you intentionally endanger another person by setting fire to building you know is occupied, that’s a felony first-degree arson charge in Pennsylvania. It’s a penalty with potentially 25 years in prison.

    If Pennsylvania mans up and makes an example of the rioters, hitting them with savage penalties in court, it will do a lot to stop the riots in that state.

    • Agree: sayless
  82. AndrewR says:

    Is there any baby left in the humanities or is it all bathwater at this point?

  83. @Anonymous

    Steve doesn’t leave his house.

  84. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    Off Topic:

    Some elites are still having a problem with America’s “free speech” concept…

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  85. anon[136] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s the worst ratio I’ve ever seen.

    What’s the tomatometer (critic) / popcorn (ordinary viewer) rating ratio for Cuties I wonder?

    I wonder? Anyone looked?

    {Wanders away whistling randomly}

    • Replies: @Charlotte
    , @Neuday
  86. Anon[205] • Disclaimer says:

    At the end of one of the above YouTube videos a Mummers video appeared. Never having heard of this quirky Philadelphia marching band, I went down a brief rabbit hole on it. It would appear that non-PC marching bands are not that unusual. From Wikipedia:

    In 2003, word spread that Slick Duck Comic Brigade was working on a skit involving priests chasing altar boys. Protests from the Archdiocese of Philadelphia, the Diocese of Camden and the Catholic League and WPHL-TV announcing they would not air the skit led to the group cancelling of the skit and claiming it was just a prank.

    Goodtimers Comic Brigade’s 2003 entry highlighted the Mummers’ continued use of blackface, skirting of the rules with brown, red, purple and blue makeup and strong references to minstral shows. Mummers have declared the alternate color choices as a direct protest of the longstanding and frequently flouted ban. The Goodtimers’ stand in for Al Jolson wore dark blue makeup with kinky hair, backed by “a minstrel in blackface on a large poster with ‘Gone Yes — Forgotten Never.’”

    2009’s B. Love Strutters Brigade referenced Joey Vento of Geno’s Steaks 2008 charges of discrimination filed by the city’s Commission on Human Relations. In the skit, “‘Aliens of an Illegal Kind,‘ Arabs had long beards and turbans, Mexicans wore sombreros, and Asian women were depicted as geishas.”

    In 2013, The Ferko String Band offered “Ferko’s Bringing Back the Minstrel Days” and Venetian NYA club presented “Indi-sourcing”, showing a call center with members dressed as Indians being raided by members dressed as Native Americans and moving the call center to New Jersey.

    2015’s parade again featured blackface, along with a satire of the Black Lives Matter titled “Wench Lives Matter”.

    In 2016 a group presented a Mexican-themed skit, with all of the performers wearing brownface.

    The same year, Finnegan New Years Brigade presented a Caitlyn Jenner skit showing her pre-transition on the cover of Wheaties box and after transitioning on the cover of a Froot Loops box. A male Mummer, dressed as Jenner, appeared, mocking her Vanity Fair cover announcing she was transgender. News reports showed a Mummer with the Wheaties/Froot Loops sign screaming “fuck the gays!” Social media posts led to two of the Mummers being fired from their day-to-day jobs and ousted from the club.

    Additional skits that year featured multiple “Lives Matter” references and appearances of blackface.

    In 2020, after members of Froggy Car Wench Brigade wore blackface for the parade, mayor Jim Kenney said the city would end the parade “if Mummers leadership does not make immediate changes to better control the parade”. City Councilmember Cindy Bass introduced a bill that would hit Mummers who wore blackface with a $75 fine and a five year ban from the parade.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  87. Anon[738] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: I don’t know why cities aren’t raising money from wealthy and middle-class white rioters. US cities are in financial trouble. They badly need that cash.

    Cities should pass laws that assess dollar property damage and costs in policing riot damage. If you burn a building, you need to pay for it. Cities could, with an ounce of freaking sense, sock all their white rioters with massive fines and really make bank.

    Yes, cities know blacks never pay. BUT WHITES DO. Whites are much more reliable about this and have more money than blacks, so they can be squeezed to their last dime.

    Spoiled upper-middle class white kid tries to set fire to a police station? Convict the snotrag, then give him a choice–a million dollar fine, or 25 years in prison with no possibility of parole.

    Yes, the kid can’t pay. But his parents will. They’ll sell their house for it. Most parents of spoiled white rioters have at least a million dollars in equity, and the parents will do anything they can to keep Brattie Dearest from facing 25 years in prison. You raise your kid to be a radical liberal, then you should pay the penalty for what he does.

    Even if libtards try to crowd-fund the fines, that’s money they can’t send to leftwing political candidates.

    Yes, it is kind of blackmailish scheme–cough up a lot of money or else your kid gets it good and hard–but cities need the revenue far more than any of these white criminal snotrags are worth. If you’re rioting at age 20, you will never do anything of value later in life.

    People come in two types: Builders-up and tearers-down, and the latter are garbage people who contribute nothing to society. Rioters are garbage people to the core.

    Chicago’s business districts aren’t going to recover for a whole generation from the riot damage they took. SO SQUEEZE THE WHITE ENABLERS OF THE DAMAGE.

  88. @astorian

    The football team didn’t win a single game during my time there.

    Your memory is playing tricks on you. They won 4 games in your 4 years: Princeton, Lafayette, and Penn twice, all at home. Its famous streak was 83-88, including one year where Jason Garrett was the quarterback and his father was the coach.

    Also, the team played at Baker Field, which is at the northern tip of Manhattan, which is over 5 miles from campus. Then again, the Rose Bowl is a solid 25 miles from UCLA and that doesn’t seem to hurt the Bruins’ attendance.

    • Replies: @FPD72
  89. J.Ross says:

    “The left ruins everything it touches” is about the same thing as “the left can only destroy, it cannot create or maintain.”

  90. @PiltdownMan

    He cloaks himself in it the moment he steps into his department.

    One’s got to don the claw-hammer cloak of wokeness before entering any department. All cower in fear. It’s fascinating to observe, but a bitch to experience. And what’s most frightening is that over 80% of academics support the madness without any nods to objectivity.

  91. @guest007

    In the old Southwest Conference, Rice and A&M were the schools that were the furtherest [sic] apart culturally.

    While this true, orthogonal to both was Arkansas, which is probably why they were the first to leave the SWC and join the rest of the cousin-fuckers in the SEC. Ironically A&M would join them 20 years later.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  92. A real marching band that’s acceptable to the wokesters 😉

  93. MEH 0910 says:

  94. Anon[738] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Rioters surrounded a home in Milwaukee with a Trump sign and a flag. Homeowner prepped gun and allegedly brandished it. He was arrested by cops. This is pretty bad. Rioters are targeting people with visible signs of being Trump supporters in hopes of creating an incident.

  95. @Anon

    Stanford is in the Pac-12 with football powerhouses like USC, UW, UofO, WSU, UCLA, Cal.

    Since the last time Cal was in the Rose Bowl, Stanford has appeared 6 times. most recently in January 2016. Every team that was in the Pac 10 has won it more recently than Cal.

    • Replies: @Marty
  96. Charlotte says:

    Cuties is at 90% critics to 11% audience on Rotten Tomatoes.

  97. @jon

    Cuties has it beat. 90%/11%. The critics are really, really determined to normalize pedophilia.

  98. black sea says:
    @Paleo Retiree

    The somewhat bipolar Mississippi writer Barry Hannah created in his first novel, Geronimo Rex, a fictional a black high school with a surprisingly inept football team, because the band director recruited all the best athletes into their mind-bendingly great marching band. I always found that notion amusing

  99. @Abolish_public_education

    Agree. A scramble band is the nerds dissing the jocks. “We get to walk onto your hallowed turf. You’re about hard work and discipline. We make a virtue out of chaos and incompetence.”

    • Replies: @craig
  100. Anon[738] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Antifa own-goal. Man gets burned when he tries to put out the fire in his house. He had 40 pounds of potassium nitrate, which is used to blow out tree stumps from the ground. Except he lives in New York City, not the countryside.

    More protestors harassing people eating dinner outdoors in Philadelphia:

    Protestors trying to block a police car in Philadelphia:

    In a more humorous vein, a protester describes herself with tremendous accurately. People of her poundage shouldn’t be jumping up and down like a 2 year old. They might end up in China.

  101. @Ben tillman

    Faber. WTF would Autocorrect think I meant Fabre?

    Perhaps that’s how it’s spelt across the watre in Dovre and Manchestre?

  102. There is a petition to change the name of the town and the university of Berkeley.

    This actually could take off. I doubt many of the students know who Bishop Berkeley was anyway, and “Bishop” does not have a nice ring to it nowadays.

    I don’t know if “George Floyd” really works as a town name. But “St. George” does.

    The University of California at St. George?

    Yeah, I think it works.

  103. Marty says:

    Despite the futility in reaching the Rose Bowl, Cal football was consistently good until one event hardly anyone knows about. I was on campus almost every day from 1993-2007, and I’d often watch practice from a bench inside Memorial stadium, which was open to all for sunbathing, stair-running, whatever. Then, in 2005 (the year after Aaron Rodgers graduated), the stadium was suddenly off-limits to everyone not directly connected with the team. A reversal of a century-old policy, and that’s when the losing started.

  104. Cynics here were right:

    Domingo Lopez Jr., 45, was booked Sunday afternoon after witnesses said he set a section of grass along the I-205 freeway on fire with what appears to be a Molotov Cocktail, according to a report by the Portland Police Bureau.

    Oregon man arrested after starting brush fire with Molotov cocktail accused of setting six more after he was released, police say

    Remember when this would have topped the Drudge Report? It’s not even on there now.

  105. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Now the sexless, unpleasant, extremely charmless and unfunny Daniel Craig is Bond — and he comes off more as a Bond villain than as Bond himself. Aparrently the next “Bond” is to be a BLM shegress…

    Out of desperation for non-PC movie fare, I’ve recently taken to watching many of the Bond films which are available free on Amazon Prime. Several times in the past few years, I’ve pondered why the Daniel Craig Bond films are so curiously disturbing.

    Most notable in this are the first, Casino Royale, and Spectre. The other day, I watched Casino Royale again and it became clear to me. After a smashing opening sequence, Bond devolves into being a dopey foil to a haughty British woman who is given the role of holding the purse strings in the central caper of the film: bankrupting Le Chifre forcing him to defect to the British.

    She is cold for no reason and at a key moment withholds the funding Bond needs to continue the operation, forcing Bond to depend on the rival CIA in order to continue, which then forces him to give Le Chifre to the US. Her lack of faith in Bond turned out to be stupid and wrong, yet that does not stop Bond from falling in love with her.

    Bond becomes lovey dovey in this Bond film (and this continues in Spectre). I’ve come to understand that Casino Royale represents a new production company so this may be part of the reason.

    Anyway, Bond continues to make mistake after mistake solely because he is a lovestruck idiot climaxing with his futile attempt to save his traitorous cheating “love” instead of trying to save the money she and her villainous lover have stolen from the British government. This scene is edited to imply that Bond is heartbrokenn that he was unable to save his nutty, betraying, fake lover.

    It makes no sense in the film. It makes no sense at all in the Bond oeuvre. As the film ends, Bond is now “cold-hearted,” seemingly having learned his lesson (which was what?).

    But in Spectre, after a truly remarkable opening sequence, we have Bond back to lovey dovey nonsense with a dark lady. It appears that the makers of these Bonds including Craig, have decided that there must be a more womanly angle to Bond. Women need to be more represented, but the woman in these films are uniformly evil and ugly. And Craig’s Bond is uniformly naive and stupid, acting like an adolescent school boy.

    This development in Bond films literally ruins these Bond films. They are counter to the Bond franchise and appear to be artificially inserted, solely because feminism. Craig is a gifted actor in other roles, but in the Bond films he looks to be just following orders.

  106. black sea says:

    Three brothers from Honduras, in the US illegally, accused of raping a 10-year-old girl.

    File this under “They’re not sending their best.”

    • Replies: @FPD72
  107. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: The Mexican vs Black racial conflicts continue in San Diego.

    Blacks win this one, which they usually do when they outnumber their opponents.

  108. Voltarde says:

    Yet another iSteve content-generating article from Vox:

    How Beethoven’s 5th Symphony put the classism in classical music
    To many, Beethoven’s most famous work is a symbol of exclusion and elitism in classical music.

    Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony starts with an anguished opening theme — dun dun dun DUNNNN — and ends with a glorious, major-key melody. Since its 1808 premiere, audiences have interpreted that progression from struggle to victory as a metaphor for Beethoven’s personal resilience in the face of his oncoming deafness.

    Or rather, that’s long been the popular read among wealthy white men who embraced Beethoven and turned his symphony into a symbol of their superiority and importance. For others — women, LGBTQ+ people, people of color — Beethoven’s symphony may be predominantly a reminder of classical music’s history of exclusion and elitism. One New York City classical music fan wrote in the 1840s, for example, that he wished that “all women shall be gagged by officers duly licensed for the purpose before they’re allowed to enter a concert room.”

    Today, some aspects of classical culture are still about policing who’s in and who’s out, and much of it started with Beethoven’s Fifth. When you walk into a standard concert hall, there’s an established set of conventions and etiquette (“don’t cough!”; “don’t cheer!”; “dress appropriately!”) that’s more about demonstrating belonging than appreciating the music.

    “You can’t make this stuff up”.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @sayless
  109. @Anonymous

    Further paraphrasing Henry Ford via slumber_ j’s precocious son, “you can have any opinion you want, as long as it’s black.”

  110. @Lurker

    “And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
    But we’ve proved it again and again,
    That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
    You never get rid of the Dane.”

  111. duncsbaby says:
    @Ben tillman

    Because it’s from a movie shown in theatres?

  112. duncsbaby says:
    @James Fulford

    She’s a Columbia grad, should probably have some insight into what’s going on but it’s Bari Weiss so naw.

  113. slumber_j says:

    As I occasionally do, I pointed that out to him yesterday: don’t go making jokes like that in or around any educational institution, etc. “I know,” he said.

  114. FPD72 says:

    Your memory is playing tricks on you. They won 4 games in your 4 years: Princeton, Lafayette, and Penn twice, all at home. Its famous streak was 83-88, including one year where Jason Garrett was the quarterback and his father was the coach.

    Not only was Jason Garret a part of Columbia’s losing streak while playing QB in 1985, he helped to end it by leading Princeton to a loss to Columbia in 1988 after transferring to Princeton following the 1985 season.

  115. FPD72 says:
    @black sea

    Three brothers from Honduras, in the US illegally, accused of raping a 10-year-old girl.

    Years ago Mrs. FPD72 was on a jury to determine the penalty for a Honduran who had pled guilty to raping a retarded girl. A consensus was building to give the rapist probation when my wife spoke up, “How can I go home and face my children after setting the rapist of a little girl free?” Each time the discussion came back to her, she would just say, “He raped a little girl.” Eventually the jury settled on a 25 year sentence, much to the delight of the Assistant District Attorney. My wife on the other hand was shocked that so many of the jurors initially were willing to give the guy probation, probably because the Honduran rapist was living with the victim’s mother.

    No, they’re not sending their best.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  116. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I saw the trailer for the new Bond film before the Kung Flu hit and the story seems to be that Craig has left the service because his girlfriend is dead and they have given his 007 license to a BLACK woman, and now maybe the GF is not dead after all, etc.

    The movie looks dumb, and evidently Craig declined to do it until they made him an o$$er he couldn’t refuse.

    Don’t see how this 007 is gonna fly in China.

  117. @216

    I have a hard time imagining what the bogus “shortage” is supposed to be, how the Covid pandemic is supposed to have caused it, and where the gonociders think they can find people who are immune to the virus.

    It should be obvious that Covid-19 has resulted in a surfeit of unused labor.

  118. @ScarletNumber

    Unlike in the SEC states, cousin-fucking was actually legal in Texas.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  119. craig says:
    @International Jew

    Scramble bands exist where a high percentage of the potential band roster consists of engineering majors who spend all week studying. Engineers don’t have time for hours of marching practice, and at these particular schools, if they don’t participate there will be no band. Therefore the scramble band learns a season’s worth of music before classes start, and during the season rehearses maybe once midweek with a run-through on game day. Play; run to the next marker; repeat.

    At least when I was in the Rice band we sounded good. A lot of engineers are musically adept.

  120. Has anybody asked Columbia alumnus Barack Obama’s opinion on This matter? I bet he saw more football games that any classes he might have attended.

  121. Neuday says:

    Cuties is currently critics 91%, audience 11%. You’re welcome.

  122. Muggles says:
    @Ben tillman

    Unlike in the SEC states, cousin-fucking was actually legal in Texas.

    Not according to

    First cousin sexual relations/marriages are NOT legal in AZ KY, MS, NV, ND, SD, TX, VT, WI.

    In a couple of these states marriage is permitted if both are over 65 and one is infertile (not in TX).

    I don’t see any of the SEC states other than MS on the “Prohibited” list.

    So “was” wasn’t recent. So much for Texas bashing…

    BTW: how was it for you?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  123. @FPD72

    probably because the Honduran rapist was living with the victim’s mother

    You’re dismissing this as if it’s inconsequentially. You are intellectually dishonest by leading off with a sensationalist sentence implying that he dragged some retarded girl off of the street. The fact that they all live together indicates to me that he took a plea bargain and because of your wife got railroaded.

    Your wife sounds like a simpleton. For your sake, I hope she has some redeeming qualities, such as being good looking, a good cook, or a good mother.

    • Replies: @craig
    , @Muggles
  124. anon[884] • Disclaimer says:

    The Columbia band decided to prank the world by competing for the most absurd White-bashing statement.

    Next they will propose a change the school name from “Columbia” (derived from name of arch-evil White guy Christopher Columbus) to, say, something like “Obamia”.

  125. @Marty

    I also used to visit Memorial back in those days.

    As I recall, Cal began to restrict access to the stadium at practice hours — in violation of Sunshine laws:

    • around the time of its first winning season in years (or was it the following season?).

    • in the first (second?) season of its ~$1M then-head coach.

    I also remember that the lockout was implemented after Cal had lost a pivotal game — as though it had concluded that its winning opponent had sent scouts to the spy on the practices.

    My revenge is seeing how:

    • the team has sucked ever since.

    • the secretive, head bureaucrat-coach was eventually let go.

    • the mortgage on the remodeled (“seismically retrofitted”), $600M football palace, taken out after boosters spread the word that “Bear football is back!”, has been so tough to service (subsequent football revenues have come in much lower than projections) that UC’s athletic department has had to liquidate its track-&-field facility in order forgo a bankruptcy of the program (possibly even the university at-large).

  126. craig says:

    That’s female rationalization. The fact that a rapist was living with the victim’s mother is not at all a mitigating factor. A single woman’s live-in boyfriend is by far the statistically most likely perpetrator of sexual assault, rape, and murder against her children. Wimminz love them bad boys…

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  127. Muggles says:

    You’re dismissing this as if it’s inconsequentially. You are intellectually dishonest by leading off with a sensationalist sentence implying that he dragged some retarded girl off of the street. The fact that they all live together indicates to me that he took a plea bargain and because of your wife got railroaded.

    How was this rapist railroaded? He pled guilty to avoid a trial. The plea bargain obviously was to a lesser charge than could have been applied to this horrific crime. That alone reduces the length of possible sentence.

    Perp and his attorney made their case to the jury. Just because you live (as an illegal migrant) with a child’s mother isn’t some mitigating factor is it? Why would it be? He got the deal to put a maximum on the sentence. Probably got that. End of story.

    No tears for child rapists. Not very popular in prison either, I hear.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  128. @Paul Jolliffe


    The problem is that movie is really all about attacking White Gentile culture. It’s specifically White “authoritarian” figures the movie relishes going after.

  129. @craig

    Well if the “single woman” had stayed married to her children’s father, this wouldn’t be an issue, now would it?

  130. @Muggles

    That alone reduces the length of possible sentence.

    That’s why 25 years is excessive. He didn’t kill anyone. Notice @FPD72 said the penalty handed down was “much to the delight of the Assistant District Attorney”. This is prima facie evidence that the penalty was excessive. As you stated, the point of the plea bargain is to reduce the sentence in exchange for waiving your right to trial.

    Anyway, the story doesn’t make sense as @FPD72 tells it.

  131. @Muggles

    “Was” means “was”, as in the period up to 1992, when Arkansas left the SWC. It was legal in Texas for another 10 years after that, presumably to accommodate Sephardic Jews in the Valley. I knew of Jews who married first cousins in Texas this century.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  132. Rob says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Yes. Have at it Syon. I’m interested in your views. Even (especially) if they disagree with mine.

  133. Muggles says:
    @ben tillman

    “Was” means “was”, as in the period up to 1992, when Arkansas left the SWC. It was legal in Texas for another 10 years after that, presumably to accommodate Sephardic Jews in the Valley. I knew of Jews who married first cousins in Texas this century.

    Okay, was is ‘was’ a while back. Yet your snarky comparison of Texas to the SEC states remains off target, since only one of those even NOW prohibits cousin marriages.

    In rural places and in many cultures today this is very common. Arab world, Africa, etc. It is a marker of backward development (compared to modern places) but is probably just a legacy of times where people didn’t travel very far or couldn’t. Thus not meeting people who weren’t part of their own tribe/clan. It is a bad idea genetically and I think most religions formally object to this, but not all.

    BTW: upon reflection I apologize for my own rather harsh comment in my earlier post re: your interest in this subject. Too personal and bad form.

  134. sayless says:

    When Chopin was dying women would show up in his bedroom and collapse from “distress.” Just what a sick man needs. I can’t even blame them, they must have been hysterical to the point of psychosis, but who let them into the house in the first place? And how did they get that way?

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