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From NBC Sports:

Nike ditches shoe with Betsy Ross flag after input from Colin Kaepernick

Posted by Mike Florio on July 1, 2019, 9:05 PM EDT

He continues to be frozen out of the NFL, but he isn’t being silenced.

According to the Wall Street Journal, former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick has persuaded Nike to scrap plans to sell a shoe featuring the 13-star version of the American flag, known as the Betsy Ross flag. Kaepernick informed Nike that the 13-star version of the flag constitutes an “offensive symbol” due to its connection to an age of slavery. Nike agreed, and the shoe has been pulled.

“Nike has chosen not to release the Air Max 1 Quick Strike Fourth of July as it featured the old version of the American flag,” a Nike spokeswoman told the Wall Street Journal. Nike has not specified a reason for the move.

 
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  1. Nevermind the fact the sneakers are made in China with slave labor.

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
    @petit bourgeois


    Nevermind the fact the sneakers are made in China with slave labor
     
    and dragonfire!
    , @Prester John
    @petit bourgeois

    We are not to know this.

  2. Out of consideration for Colin, we should also discontinue all products made with cotton, cane sugar, or tobacco.

    • LOL: 95Theses
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @DiogenesNYC

    Him and his ilk wouldn't be here where it not for slavery of course.

    The pleasure of west central Africa awaits you.

  3. Nike also announced they won’t have any cotton in their shoes, due to cotton’s relationship with American slavery. Also not to be used in the future are leather, the material used in overseers’ whips; and hemp, which was used in the ropes used in lynchings.

    • Replies: @bored identity
    @Redneck farmer

    ...and dindus just can't wait to get that reparation gibs, so they continue to gib the Man his $200 for a pair of stinky plastic footwear.

    , @Mr. Grey
    @Redneck farmer

    What can I do as a white ally? I thought of going barefoot, but might that be construed as cultural appropriation of the slave narrative?

  4. bet on Colin. Always. Worship of Blacks is America’s religion.

    The flag will be outlawed by Pres. Harris. There is no end to hating Whitey.

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @Whiskey

    What did white people ever do for the United States?

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @istevefan
    @Whiskey

    Do you know you have the right to keep and bear arms?

    Replies: @Marty

    , @TWS
    @Whiskey

    Whisky I have been kind when you post your whiny incel stuff but you need to get out of your bunker and actually look at America. Outside the cities every single house/farm/ business has a flag. They're not going away.

    I know some woman walked by you once with mix race kids or a black guy on her arm but that's no reason to lay on your back with your feet in the air screaming the sky is falling.

  5. The current flag was created in 1959 with the admission of Hawaii and Alaska.

    Jim Crow continued until 1965.

    Time for a new flag?

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @nsa
    @Anon

    "Time for a new flag?"
    How about 6 point stars and rainbow stripes?

    , @Tyto Alba
    @Anon

    Gotta work a 13 stripe rainbow into it.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51e%2BWDvm5mL._SL500_AC_SS350_.jpg

    , @AndrewR
    @Anon

    That can be the flag of the black ethnostate in the south

    , @guest
    @Anon

    Still 13 stripes, which is redolent of slavery.

    Let go full Wakanda:


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b5/5c/2a/b55c2a08009b841e2200dc47885c6953.jpg

  6. >Kaepernick informed Nike that (the Star of David, the birth of Jesus, the invention of the printing press, calculus, Gregorian chants, the Roman empire) was an “offensive symbol” due to its connection to an age of slavery. <

    • Agree: istevefan
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @newrouter

    IKR?


    due to its connection to an age of slavery
     
    You know, that age that included the entirety of human history, until some white males of British descent decided it should be done away with. Remind me again Colin, are white males good or bad?

    Africans and Muslims practiced slavery until, what? Last week?

  7. Colin Kaepernick should go on some reality show and give the white half of himself up for adoption so he can be raised by a a black man that wants to instill “black culture” into his half-white ass. Then he’d be savagely beaten everyday like most black young boys growing up. (iSteve’s “friend” (just joking) the genius TNC was deathly afraid of this type of horrific black culture behavior).

  8. How many people were going to buy that shoe? A Nike shoe about loving America would be like Sears releasing a Ho Chi Minh t-shirt in 1962.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @J.Ross

    Smells like a set up. Their market, like the Times, is rich snobs who can afford to blow lots of cash on luxury goods like new Nikes, especially in China. Those snobs are nuts for edgy blackness, which they usually get from the NBA.

    , @Lot
    @J.Ross

    https://leblogdelavieenrouge.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/mode-annc3a9es-50.jpg

  9. The Constitution is from that same period. We better scrap it.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @Ozymandias

    Eventually, through the sheer persistence of social grievance totalitarianism, no doubt with the assistance of Google, Facebook, and Tiny Ducks, we will all accept that the United States has no legitimate history, no history deserving of reference or acknowledgment, before the birth of Martin Luther King Jr.

    In 2016, Louisiana State Rep. Barbara Norton (D) argued that black school children should not be required to recite words that were written during a time in history when slavery was prevalent.

    “In 1776, Dr. King was not even born. African-Americans were in slavery, so since they were in slavery, the Declaration of Independence say we are ‘all created equal,’ we were not created equal because in 1776, July the 4th, I nor you nor any of us were born, nor was Dr. King born, so we were in slavery, and to have our children repeat again and again documents that were not even validated, I don’t think that that’s fair.”

    Replies: @Clyde, @Mr McKenna

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Ozymandias


    The Constitution is from that same period. We better scrap it.
     
    Our government is already hard at work on that job.
    , @TontoBubbaGoldstein
    @Ozymandias

    You're a bit late to the party, Chief.

    , @BigDickNick
    @Ozymandias

    We need a legal system that reflects the improvisational nature of african justice rather than the stale pale male law system we currently have.

    , @David In TN
    @Ozymandias

    The first and second amendments will be done away with if (when) the left can manage it.

  10. If the thirteen stars are offensive, aren’t the thirteen stripes as well? They represent the same thirteen states.

    Actually, sixteen. Three subsequent states– and the District of Columbia– were carved out of those thirteen.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Reg Cæsar

    Stars = colonies. Red and white stripes = the Sons of Liberty.

  11. Good move by Nike. They know there customer base. Young Of Color global and progressive.

    Kaepernik is wildly popular with the youth and future of America.

    It IS an offensive flag to Youth of Color and allies

    You guys need to watch the Netflix special “Homecoming ” by Hassan Minhaj

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @Tiny Duck

    You are shilling for billionaires like Phil Knight and a company that gets rich off of selling overpriced shoes made by slave labor in China. You are a hand puppet of the global elites, good to see you can be had for free, td.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    , @MEH 0910
    @Tiny Duck

    https://i.imgur.com/ADzADpd.jpg

    Replies: @Simon Tugmutton, @TWS

    , @TWS
    @Tiny Duck

    Seriously? No, "white women want the black Johnson"? You have to work that in.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Tiny Duck

    TD, I have a question. My 7th grade gym teacher once told me the following: Son, wandering the world with a black brain and an Irish dick is a one-way ticket to looserville. Was he a racist for inferring that I had an African IQ? Was he sexually harassing my tiny leprechaun penis? Assuming that Mr. Enos is still alive and I can locate him, can I sue him for something, or has the statue of lamentations expired? Please reply to my p.o. box in Eureka. Also, you might want to ask Steve Sailer to insert you into his pilot script. You can be the negrophile white kid who is befriended by the teenage boy in the Korean family. Much to the dismay of his parents. Hilarity ensues. Being a figment of Steve's imagination you have immediate access to his thought process. It's up to you to convince him that this idea is gold.

    , @RonaldB
    @Tiny Duck

    All true, very true. TD. You are a prophet. Young people of color will exist the way their parents and grandparents did: welfare, food stamps, public assistance, emergency room medical care, affirmative action positions, and set-asides for the elite. And the Democrats appear to be the most reliable sponsors of continuing the status quo.

    All of which to say, it's time to follow the Jeffersonian principle of splitting the Republic into manageable bites. San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Atlanta, Houston and metropolitan areas, should split off as free, autonomous city-states with distinct borders and economies, where the people of color and progressives can illustrate the superiority of their economic thinking.

    Different regions like the Northeast, Southeast, Central South, West Coast, etc can separate with formal but cordial relations among them. Smaller government is more responsive government, and less likely to spawn vast, expensive, lumbering, expensive, unaccountable bureaucracies. Czechoslovakia split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia between which, I understand, the people have very warm interpersonal relations, kind of like Canada and the US.

  12. @Whiskey
    bet on Colin. Always. Worship of Blacks is America's religion.

    The flag will be outlawed by Pres. Harris. There is no end to hating Whitey.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @istevefan, @TWS

    What did white people ever do for the United States?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Louis Renault

    Threaten the power of the oligarchs dynasties. Why we have to go. We are a threat to Buffett, Gates and Bezos. Kappy not so much.

  13. I recall reading a joke somewhere about the flag and Africans.

    13 bars on the flag take up 84% of the space.

    13% of the population takes up 84% of something. Cant quite think of it though.

    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @KunioKun

    But how'd you get that to be the 13th comment? That's impressive. Esp if it doesn't change by tomorrow morning.

  14. • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @J.Ross


    Fire Dept statement: “Regardless of the extent of a conflict, arson is never a solution to resolve a conflict."
     
    Can you even believe that? Because that's not what I was taught.

    Anyways I say she innocent.

  15. Some people are still upset over the fact that Great Britain lost the American revolution.

  16. Thanks to Baracky, there are slave markets in Libya. So:

    >Kaepernick informed Nike that Kaepernick constitutes an “offensive symbol” due to its connection to an age of slavery.<

  17. I hadn’t seen it mentioned here, but the NBA has just announced its dropping use of the term “owner”.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Anon55uu


    I hadn’t seen it mentioned here, but the NBA has just announced its dropping use of the term “owner”.
     
    Replace it with overseer. NBA is the pro sports league I care least about and actively dislike. Football is useless. Baseball still OK. Hockey is exciting in person.
  18. The NBA has announced its dropping use of the term “Owner” out of sensitivity.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Anon55uu

    To be replaced by "guvnah."

    You can't make this shit up.

  19. @J.Ross
    How many people were going to buy that shoe? A Nike shoe about loving America would be like Sears releasing a Ho Chi Minh t-shirt in 1962.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Lot

    Smells like a set up. Their market, like the Times, is rich snobs who can afford to blow lots of cash on luxury goods like new Nikes, especially in China. Those snobs are nuts for edgy blackness, which they usually get from the NBA.

    • Agree: Abe
  20. Nike makes overpriced garbage and signs the douchiest athletes to promote their brand. Ever since the Tiger/Elim brouhaha I’ve actively boycotted anything Nike for my family. Once I discovered specialty brands like Brooks and Hoka One One after taking up running, I’ve never missed them. Nike can’t crater fast enough as far as I’m concerned.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @AnonAnon

    I love New Balance. They're praised by lefties as well as righties for standing by their American work force and they're an objectively great shoe.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Mr McKenna, @Tono Bungay, @Alfa158

  21. CCZ says:
    @Ozymandias
    The Constitution is from that same period. We better scrap it.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Mr. Anon, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @BigDickNick, @David In TN

    Eventually, through the sheer persistence of social grievance totalitarianism, no doubt with the assistance of Google, Facebook, and Tiny Ducks, we will all accept that the United States has no legitimate history, no history deserving of reference or acknowledgment, before the birth of Martin Luther King Jr.

    In 2016, Louisiana State Rep. Barbara Norton (D) argued that black school children should not be required to recite words that were written during a time in history when slavery was prevalent.

    “In 1776, Dr. King was not even born. African-Americans were in slavery, so since they were in slavery, the Declaration of Independence say we are ‘all created equal,’ we were not created equal because in 1776, July the 4th, I nor you nor any of us were born, nor was Dr. King born, so we were in slavery, and to have our children repeat again and again documents that were not even validated, I don’t think that that’s fair.”

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @CCZ


    In 2016, Louisiana State Rep. Barbara Norton (D) argued that black school children should not be required to recite words that were written during a time in history when slavery was prevalent.
     
    She ugly! Like out of an R Crumb comic.
    , @Mr McKenna
    @CCZ

    But don't blacks have Juneteenth, or Freaknik, or Debbil Night or something?

    Just no pleasing some people.

  22. No sympathy for the sports/fashion fan. If one is ticked off by this then one should have already been boycotting Nike/NFL. No sympathy. You throw yourself at professional athletes you get what you deserve.

    Just say no to sports.

    I’m rooting for England tomorrow in the world cup match.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Daniel H


    Just say no to sports.

    I’m rooting for England tomorrow in the world cup match.
     
    Uh ...
  23. @AnonAnon
    Nike makes overpriced garbage and signs the douchiest athletes to promote their brand. Ever since the Tiger/Elim brouhaha I've actively boycotted anything Nike for my family. Once I discovered specialty brands like Brooks and Hoka One One after taking up running, I've never missed them. Nike can't crater fast enough as far as I'm concerned.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I love New Balance. They’re praised by lefties as well as righties for standing by their American work force and they’re an objectively great shoe.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    @J.Ross

    NB is also a bit of a tell regarding the person's personality and judgment. NB makes equal or better shoes than Nike for the same or lower price, but Nike markets much more aggressively. If you are smart enough to discern relative quality and tune out hype then you will (usually) end up with NBs, unless there is some kind of crazy sale going on.

    Yes I notice people's shoes outside of work, and yes, I file it away....

    Replies: @Brutusale, @BigDickNick

    , @Mr McKenna
    @J.Ross

    NB is okay but I prefer Adidas because, well, you know.

    , @Tono Bungay
    @J.Ross

    i wear NB, too, but I'd pay even more for them if I didn't have to wear their big "N" on each foot. When Americans start objecting to walking around with makers' names and logos all over them, then I'll start thinking there's hope for this country.

    , @Alfa158
    @J.Ross

    Most New Balance shoes are made in Asia, but it’s nice that they still have some US product for people who don’t mind spending more. My podiatrist recommends NB.
    I noticed that there are high end competitors like Brooks, that cost almost as much as the US made NBs, but are made by 75 cent an hour Asian labor. There must be some serious Air Jordan type margins in those.

  24. I’m calling it now: the gay pride flag will become our new flag.

  25. In the long run blacks and browns rejecting the traditional symbols of America is a very positive thing. We got ourselves into trouble when they wrapped themselves in the flag (figuratively, sometimes literally) and the sentimental/gullible among us decided that they were ‘just like us.’

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @SimpleSong

    Indeed. We should be emphasizing to normies that “civil rights” has failed. We were told that if we eliminated legal segregation, blacks would integrate into American society within a couple of generations. 60+ years on, no such thing has happened. The fact is that race relations are getting worse, and at an accelerating rate. We should slowly start introducing separatism into conversations on the subject.

  26. @Anon
    The current flag was created in 1959 with the admission of Hawaii and Alaska.

    Jim Crow continued until 1965.

    Time for a new flag?

    https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us_afro7.gif

    Replies: @nsa, @Tyto Alba, @AndrewR, @guest

    “Time for a new flag?”
    How about 6 point stars and rainbow stripes?

  27. The Greek goddess of victory, Nike, was worshipped in a society with extensive slavery. Someone better tell Colin and the execs in Beaverton about this.

    • Agree: Prester John
    • Replies: @donut
    @Clifford Brown

    They were white slaves so didn't happen .

    Replies: @Prester John

  28. @CCZ
    @Ozymandias

    Eventually, through the sheer persistence of social grievance totalitarianism, no doubt with the assistance of Google, Facebook, and Tiny Ducks, we will all accept that the United States has no legitimate history, no history deserving of reference or acknowledgment, before the birth of Martin Luther King Jr.

    In 2016, Louisiana State Rep. Barbara Norton (D) argued that black school children should not be required to recite words that were written during a time in history when slavery was prevalent.

    “In 1776, Dr. King was not even born. African-Americans were in slavery, so since they were in slavery, the Declaration of Independence say we are ‘all created equal,’ we were not created equal because in 1776, July the 4th, I nor you nor any of us were born, nor was Dr. King born, so we were in slavery, and to have our children repeat again and again documents that were not even validated, I don’t think that that’s fair.”

    Replies: @Clyde, @Mr McKenna

    In 2016, Louisiana State Rep. Barbara Norton (D) argued that black school children should not be required to recite words that were written during a time in history when slavery was prevalent.

    She ugly! Like out of an R Crumb comic.

  29. @Anon55uu
    The NBA has announced its dropping use of the term “Owner” out of sensitivity.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    To be replaced by “guvnah.”

    You can’t make this shit up.

  30. Hail says: • Website

    Trying out the political-commentary bot on this story:

    Input:

    Nike ditches shoe with Betsy Ross flag after input from Colin Kaepernick

    Output:

    “This shoe is not part of an NFL uniform. It is not made for the league. It’s not part of the league’s uniform repertoire. It’s a patriotic honor for our soldiers who do sacrifice their lives to defend our freedom,” Colin Kaepernick said on Sunday.

    Swing and a miss, boys. Swing and a miss.

  31. @Tiny Duck
    Good move by Nike. They know there customer base. Young Of Color global and progressive.

    Kaepernik is wildly popular with the youth and future of America.

    It IS an offensive flag to Youth of Color and allies

    You guys need to watch the Netflix special "Homecoming " by Hassan Minhaj

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @MEH 0910, @TWS, @SunBakedSuburb, @RonaldB

    You are shilling for billionaires like Phil Knight and a company that gets rich off of selling overpriced shoes made by slave labor in China. You are a hand puppet of the global elites, good to see you can be had for free, td.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Unladen Swallow

    Tiny D(i)uck, as his moniker indicates, is a satirist impersonating a brain dead SJW for laughs. That’s why he uses a self-insulting moniker, and throws in the malapropisms and misspellings to make sure we get the joke.
    He links to the ever changing cavalcade of ludicrous videos and writers as examples of people saying the same dumb things he says, but in their cases those people are, as incredible as it seems, perfectly sincere.

    Replies: @lavoisier, @Known Fact, @MBlanc46

  32. Nike knows its customer base. They don’t want a US symbol on anything …. except a check.

    • LOL: donut
  33. @J.Ross
    @AnonAnon

    I love New Balance. They're praised by lefties as well as righties for standing by their American work force and they're an objectively great shoe.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Mr McKenna, @Tono Bungay, @Alfa158

    NB is also a bit of a tell regarding the person’s personality and judgment. NB makes equal or better shoes than Nike for the same or lower price, but Nike markets much more aggressively. If you are smart enough to discern relative quality and tune out hype then you will (usually) end up with NBs, unless there is some kind of crazy sale going on.

    Yes I notice people’s shoes outside of work, and yes, I file it away….

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @SimpleSong

    For years New Balance was the only sneaker option for people like me, size 12 4E. Wide widths weren't available from most of the other companies.

    , @BigDickNick
    @SimpleSong

    nikes are cool looking though! I was a nike guy before this kaepernick crap. Now no longer buy them or Ben and Jerrys my previous favorite iced cream brand. BTW in addition to being anti-white woke here in the US Ben and Jerry's works with zionist west bank settler dairy farms.

    "White people are racist oppressors! Zionist dairy farms being built on palestinian land?!?!?!? That's complicated, goy, you don't understand!!!!!"

  34. The funny thing about it is, I would not have any interest in that shoe with the American flag. I’m pretty much over what it represents right now. However, I’d have been glad to buy a shoe with the original 13 star flag on it. Damn, too bad. How about the Gadsden flag? This Kapernick fellow – does he follow all that history? It think it’d go right over his fro.

    • Replies: @donut
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Not really a good slogan for a shoe though don't you think ?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Ron Mexico

    , @Cortes
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s the flag for the Dreamers, right?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  35. The VA seal gets a pass because the eagle is attacking the Betsy Ross.

    • LOL: Paleo Liberal
  36. Any word from Colin the Oracle about this?

    Nike reportedly halted a shoe release in China after its co-designer supported Hong Kong protesters.

    In a world inhabited mostly by binary thinkers, the Kaepernick/Nike social justice tag team makes sense. For the remainder, not so much.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Change that Matters

    Remember, China is The Future. You wouldn't want to anger The Future,would you?

  37. @Clifford Brown
    The Greek goddess of victory, Nike, was worshipped in a society with extensive slavery. Someone better tell Colin and the execs in Beaverton about this.

    Replies: @donut

    They were white slaves so didn’t happen .

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @donut

    Bingo!!

  38. Coag says:

    There should be a new metric, the Racist Oppression Quotient (ROQ) which is equivalent to 200 – IQ. It would neatly encapsulate the leftist thesis that intellectual differences are due to psychic stress from experiencing racism. It can be used widely in the leftist social sciences to generate all sorts of make-work and scholarly publications for the legions of unemployable African-American Studies majors.

    • Replies: @Marty
    @Coag

    They're not unemployable - there are plenty of MTA's in need of vest wearers and only one Prop. 13.

  39. @Anon
    The current flag was created in 1959 with the admission of Hawaii and Alaska.

    Jim Crow continued until 1965.

    Time for a new flag?

    https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us_afro7.gif

    Replies: @nsa, @Tyto Alba, @AndrewR, @guest

    Gotta work a 13 stripe rainbow into it.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  40. @petit bourgeois
    Nevermind the fact the sneakers are made in China with slave labor.

    Replies: @yakushimaru, @Prester John

    Nevermind the fact the sneakers are made in China with slave labor

    and dragonfire!

  41. @Whiskey
    bet on Colin. Always. Worship of Blacks is America's religion.

    The flag will be outlawed by Pres. Harris. There is no end to hating Whitey.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @istevefan, @TWS

    Do you know you have the right to keep and bear arms?

    • Replies: @Marty
    @istevefan

    A non-denial denial. Are you one of those, "get laid more" types?

  42. @Daniel H
    No sympathy for the sports/fashion fan. If one is ticked off by this then one should have already been boycotting Nike/NFL. No sympathy. You throw yourself at professional athletes you get what you deserve.

    Just say no to sports.

    I'm rooting for England tomorrow in the world cup match.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Just say no to sports.

    I’m rooting for England tomorrow in the world cup match.

    Uh …

  43. OT
    https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8518088/elton-john-vladimir-putin-lgbtq-response
    Elton John Pens Note to Vladimir Putin, Says He’s ‘Deeply Upset’ Following LGBTQ Comments

  44. This is goodness.

    Yes, we’re still a long ways away. But separation does not seem as far off as it did just a year ago.

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @AnotherDad

    It depends on what you mean by separation. I feel the USA is ours and don't want separation if it involves giving any of it away, let alone a significant chunk.. Ditto for Europe. No way do the invaders get to keep territory unless they can hold it militarily.

    Replies: @anon, @MBlanc46

    , @Mr McKenna
    @AnotherDad

    Enjoy your fantasy. I say this, of course, with the utmost respect. But separation is completely impossible--they've made it that way. Why else do you think migrants and negroes are shipped en masse to Dubuque and Missoula? Even if--by some miracle--it were possible, TPTB would happily execute each and every one of us before they'd allow us the freedom of self-determination.

    Nope, they're perfectly content edging us toward disappearance and enslavement.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  45. istevefan says:

    Good points by commenters about the multiple items besides Betsy’s flag that were around during the age of slavery. It definitely sets up a giant smorgasbord of things to be banned.

    On a side note, do you think the 13 star Betsy Ross flag can now be turned into a hate symbol like the OK hand sign, or the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag? Personally I was always fond of the Bennington flag to use a symbol for our side. But if the Betsy Ross flag strikes a nerve, then maybe that’s the one.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @istevefan

    I love the Whiskey Rebellion flag.
    https://postimg.cc/bdB657s4

    Replies: @istevefan

  46. The First Amendment would prevent this from serving as our new national flag, but it might work on the bottom of a sneaker:

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Reg Cæsar

    Time for everybody to admit it: Colin Kapernick is a white man.

    I know he's trying to become a Blue-American (I see this tribe all the time at Wal-Mart) but his existential whiteness keeps showing through.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Reg Cæsar

    "America changing. Do you see?"

    http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/Vm5QgEARF_Dl.jpg

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @bored identity
    @Reg Cæsar

    Starve.The.Beast.


    https://i.postimg.cc/gddp70N1/HOW-TO-PUT-KAEP-IN-NIKE.jpg




    Y'all, talk to your children before it's too late.

  47. @AnotherDad
    This is goodness.

    Yes, we're still a long ways away. But separation does not seem as far off as it did just a year ago.

    Replies: @istevefan, @Mr McKenna

    It depends on what you mean by separation. I feel the USA is ours and don’t want separation if it involves giving any of it away, let alone a significant chunk.. Ditto for Europe. No way do the invaders get to keep territory unless they can hold it militarily.

    • Replies: @anon
    @istevefan

    Objections to Separation:
    1. We already tried that in 1861. You don't get to separate without a war. There will never be a peaceful break up of the United States of America.
    2. If you win and get separation you lose part of your country. Why should we give up land that is ours? Why should we lose our consitutional rights in San Fransico or Portland?
    3. Separation doesn't end the conflict. The Left doesn't accept borders, remember? You are only drawing a new line in the sand which they will cross, illegally.
    4. Separation gives them the coasts. That is where the money is.
    5. Separation gives them their own country, which they will destroy like Detroit. Expect subsequent spill-over of their problems into your country.
    6. Separation implies being whittled down. People who accept being whittled down, will be whittled down.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Redneck farmer, @miss marple

    , @MBlanc46
    @istevefan

    The problem is, the Left—and the blacks—feel the same way. We can either exterminate them or accept partition. As the former seems very improbable, the latter is or only course. Provided that they don’t exterminate us.

  48. Portland is known for Antifa hoodlums and greedy scum Nike executives.

  49. Don’t care anymore. Sick of being a part of the only demographic that cares about this country. Let it all burn.

  50. @Reg Cæsar
    If the thirteen stars are offensive, aren't the thirteen stripes as well? They represent the same thirteen states.

    Actually, sixteen. Three subsequent states-- and the District of Columbia-- were carved out of those thirteen.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Stars = colonies. Red and white stripes = the Sons of Liberty.

  51. @istevefan
    Good points by commenters about the multiple items besides Betsy's flag that were around during the age of slavery. It definitely sets up a giant smorgasbord of things to be banned.

    On a side note, do you think the 13 star Betsy Ross flag can now be turned into a hate symbol like the OK hand sign, or the "Don't Tread on Me" flag? Personally I was always fond of the Bennington flag to use a symbol for our side. But if the Betsy Ross flag strikes a nerve, then maybe that's the one.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I love the Whiskey Rebellion flag.
    https://postimg.cc/bdB657s4

    • Replies: @istevefan
    @J.Ross

    I've never seen that one before. From the looks of those stars that really is Whiskey's flag.

  52. @Achmed E. Newman
    The funny thing about it is, I would not have any interest in that shoe with the American flag. I'm pretty much over what it represents right now. However, I'd have been glad to buy a shoe with the original 13 star flag on it. Damn, too bad. How about the Gadsden flag? This Kapernick fellow - does he follow all that history? It think it'd go right over his fro.

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/Gadsden_Flag.jpg

    Replies: @donut, @Cortes

    Not really a good slogan for a shoe though don’t you think ?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @donut

    Actually, I didn't even think of that, Doughnut - I am no Reg Caesar - I am not worthy!

    When you think of it, donut, it works pretty well for a shoe, IMO.

    , @Ron Mexico
    @donut

    Don't tread would refer to don't scuff up my shoes. I am sure that some 'hood killings have occurred as a result, so don't tread is highly appropriate.

  53. @Ozymandias
    The Constitution is from that same period. We better scrap it.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Mr. Anon, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @BigDickNick, @David In TN

    The Constitution is from that same period. We better scrap it.

    Our government is already hard at work on that job.

  54. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @istevefan
    @AnotherDad

    It depends on what you mean by separation. I feel the USA is ours and don't want separation if it involves giving any of it away, let alone a significant chunk.. Ditto for Europe. No way do the invaders get to keep territory unless they can hold it militarily.

    Replies: @anon, @MBlanc46

    Objections to Separation:
    1. We already tried that in 1861. You don’t get to separate without a war. There will never be a peaceful break up of the United States of America.
    2. If you win and get separation you lose part of your country. Why should we give up land that is ours? Why should we lose our consitutional rights in San Fransico or Portland?
    3. Separation doesn’t end the conflict. The Left doesn’t accept borders, remember? You are only drawing a new line in the sand which they will cross, illegally.
    4. Separation gives them the coasts. That is where the money is.
    5. Separation gives them their own country, which they will destroy like Detroit. Expect subsequent spill-over of their problems into your country.
    6. Separation implies being whittled down. People who accept being whittled down, will be whittled down.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @anon

    Exactly.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @anon

    On 3., that's what landmines are for.

    , @miss marple
    @anon

    On occasion countries do get amicable divorces, split the assets and finally start respecting each other's boundaries.

    I think of secession more as a euphemism for deportation, however. It would be easier to split this nation ever how many ways than to deport illegals or treasonous liberals.

  55. @Achmed E. Newman
    The funny thing about it is, I would not have any interest in that shoe with the American flag. I'm pretty much over what it represents right now. However, I'd have been glad to buy a shoe with the original 13 star flag on it. Damn, too bad. How about the Gadsden flag? This Kapernick fellow - does he follow all that history? It think it'd go right over his fro.

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/Gadsden_Flag.jpg

    Replies: @donut, @Cortes

    That’s the flag for the Dreamers, right?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Cortes

    I sure as hell hope not. (I don't watch TV). Is that what you mean, Cortez, the illegal Valedictorians, OK, assistants to the Valedictorians?

    Replies: @Cortes

  56. @donut
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Not really a good slogan for a shoe though don't you think ?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Ron Mexico

    Actually, I didn’t even think of that, Doughnut – I am no Reg Caesar – I am not worthy!

    When you think of it, donut, it works pretty well for a shoe, IMO.

  57. @Cortes
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s the flag for the Dreamers, right?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I sure as hell hope not. (I don’t watch TV). Is that what you mean, Cortez, the illegal Valedictorians, OK, assistants to the Valedictorians?

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Achmed E. Newman

    https://poets.org/poem/aedh-wishes-cloths-heaven

  58. @Tiny Duck
    Good move by Nike. They know there customer base. Young Of Color global and progressive.

    Kaepernik is wildly popular with the youth and future of America.

    It IS an offensive flag to Youth of Color and allies

    You guys need to watch the Netflix special "Homecoming " by Hassan Minhaj

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @MEH 0910, @TWS, @SunBakedSuburb, @RonaldB

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
    @MEH 0910

    That's a pintail. IDK if there's a pinhead duck; in any case, TD does a very good impression of one.

    , @TWS
    @MEH 0910

    He's clearly larping as a gay, black, progressive man/woman. He's posted copy/paste from many different views.

    I've encouraged him to come out and take a bow. We've reached peak duck and clown world has surpassed anything the duck posts anyway.

    He should take a bow and write a book.

  59. @J.Ross
    How many people were going to buy that shoe? A Nike shoe about loving America would be like Sears releasing a Ho Chi Minh t-shirt in 1962.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Lot

  60. Buying shoes with the American flag isn’t really a conservative value, especially if they’re made in China. Kaep is awful but even broken clocks are right twice a day.

  61. @Anon
    The current flag was created in 1959 with the admission of Hawaii and Alaska.

    Jim Crow continued until 1965.

    Time for a new flag?

    https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us_afro7.gif

    Replies: @nsa, @Tyto Alba, @AndrewR, @guest

    That can be the flag of the black ethnostate in the south

  62. @anon
    @istevefan

    Objections to Separation:
    1. We already tried that in 1861. You don't get to separate without a war. There will never be a peaceful break up of the United States of America.
    2. If you win and get separation you lose part of your country. Why should we give up land that is ours? Why should we lose our consitutional rights in San Fransico or Portland?
    3. Separation doesn't end the conflict. The Left doesn't accept borders, remember? You are only drawing a new line in the sand which they will cross, illegally.
    4. Separation gives them the coasts. That is where the money is.
    5. Separation gives them their own country, which they will destroy like Detroit. Expect subsequent spill-over of their problems into your country.
    6. Separation implies being whittled down. People who accept being whittled down, will be whittled down.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Redneck farmer, @miss marple

    Exactly.

  63. @anon
    @istevefan

    Objections to Separation:
    1. We already tried that in 1861. You don't get to separate without a war. There will never be a peaceful break up of the United States of America.
    2. If you win and get separation you lose part of your country. Why should we give up land that is ours? Why should we lose our consitutional rights in San Fransico or Portland?
    3. Separation doesn't end the conflict. The Left doesn't accept borders, remember? You are only drawing a new line in the sand which they will cross, illegally.
    4. Separation gives them the coasts. That is where the money is.
    5. Separation gives them their own country, which they will destroy like Detroit. Expect subsequent spill-over of their problems into your country.
    6. Separation implies being whittled down. People who accept being whittled down, will be whittled down.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Redneck farmer, @miss marple

    On 3., that’s what landmines are for.

  64. @Unladen Swallow
    @Tiny Duck

    You are shilling for billionaires like Phil Knight and a company that gets rich off of selling overpriced shoes made by slave labor in China. You are a hand puppet of the global elites, good to see you can be had for free, td.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    Tiny D(i)uck, as his moniker indicates, is a satirist impersonating a brain dead SJW for laughs. That’s why he uses a self-insulting moniker, and throws in the malapropisms and misspellings to make sure we get the joke.
    He links to the ever changing cavalcade of ludicrous videos and writers as examples of people saying the same dumb things he says, but in their cases those people are, as incredible as it seems, perfectly sincere.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    @Alfa158

    Agreed.

    TD is so consistent in the stupidity that there can be no other explanation for the postings.

    , @Known Fact
    @Alfa158

    So he's actually Tinytania McDuck?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @MBlanc46
    @Alfa158

    Thanks for pointing that out to newcomers. TD at least tries to inject some levity into our all-too-often grim proceedings.

  65. @newrouter
    >Kaepernick informed Nike that (the Star of David, the birth of Jesus, the invention of the printing press, calculus, Gregorian chants, the Roman empire) was an “offensive symbol” due to its connection to an age of slavery. <

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    IKR?

    due to its connection to an age of slavery

    You know, that age that included the entirety of human history, until some white males of British descent decided it should be done away with. Remind me again Colin, are white males good or bad?

    Africans and Muslims practiced slavery until, what? Last week?

    • Agree: bomag
  66. is he still alive?

  67. @KunioKun
    I recall reading a joke somewhere about the flag and Africans.

    13 bars on the flag take up 84% of the space.

    13% of the population takes up 84% of something. Cant quite think of it though.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    But how’d you get that to be the 13th comment? That’s impressive. Esp if it doesn’t change by tomorrow morning.

  68. anon[283] • Disclaimer says:

    “That can be the flag of the black ethnostate in the south”

    No thanks. We like our homes and don’t like being dictated to. Deport them to New England where they belong. They wanted them freed. They get them free. And don’t bother with a “muh pick your own cotton” reply. The proximate cause of the situation was your war that you started; and the “Civil Rights” policies your people promoted. You deserve the consequences, and my people will fight to make sure you get your fair share. If anything, that flag deserves to fly high over Maine and elsewhere (all the woke whitetopia areas that promote this crap), although I hear they are getting it good now with African immigrants he he he. Can’t say I’m too broken up about it. Maybe I’ll write an email to your congressman demanding even more.

  69. @J.Ross
    "Oklahoma woman"
    https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019/07/01/watch-woman-caught-on-camera-firebombing-neighbors-house/

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Fire Dept statement: “Regardless of the extent of a conflict, arson is never a solution to resolve a conflict.”

    Can you even believe that? Because that’s not what I was taught.

    Anyways I say she innocent.

  70. @CCZ
    @Ozymandias

    Eventually, through the sheer persistence of social grievance totalitarianism, no doubt with the assistance of Google, Facebook, and Tiny Ducks, we will all accept that the United States has no legitimate history, no history deserving of reference or acknowledgment, before the birth of Martin Luther King Jr.

    In 2016, Louisiana State Rep. Barbara Norton (D) argued that black school children should not be required to recite words that were written during a time in history when slavery was prevalent.

    “In 1776, Dr. King was not even born. African-Americans were in slavery, so since they were in slavery, the Declaration of Independence say we are ‘all created equal,’ we were not created equal because in 1776, July the 4th, I nor you nor any of us were born, nor was Dr. King born, so we were in slavery, and to have our children repeat again and again documents that were not even validated, I don’t think that that’s fair.”

    Replies: @Clyde, @Mr McKenna

    But don’t blacks have Juneteenth, or Freaknik, or Debbil Night or something?

    Just no pleasing some people.

  71. @J.Ross
    @AnonAnon

    I love New Balance. They're praised by lefties as well as righties for standing by their American work force and they're an objectively great shoe.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Mr McKenna, @Tono Bungay, @Alfa158

    NB is okay but I prefer Adidas because, well, you know.

  72. @AnotherDad
    This is goodness.

    Yes, we're still a long ways away. But separation does not seem as far off as it did just a year ago.

    Replies: @istevefan, @Mr McKenna

    Enjoy your fantasy. I say this, of course, with the utmost respect. But separation is completely impossible–they’ve made it that way. Why else do you think migrants and negroes are shipped en masse to Dubuque and Missoula? Even if–by some miracle–it were possible, TPTB would happily execute each and every one of us before they’d allow us the freedom of self-determination.

    Nope, they’re perfectly content edging us toward disappearance and enslavement.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Mr McKenna


    Nope, they’re perfectly content edging us toward disappearance and enslavement.
     
    They are indeed, but that doesn't mean they will succeed.
  73. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:

    “Objections to Separation: 1. We already tried that in 1861. You don’t get to separate without a war. There will never be a peaceful break up of the United States of America.”

    Nothing is settled until we say it is settled, and we say it is not settled. Ink on a page does not dictate our destiny. That’s up to us to decide ourselves. First, you don’t know any of that is true. When the Soviet Union fell, it’s not like it precipitated an effective armed response by the central government. Eventually, the system becomes so unpopular, so unstable, that even the slightest hint of rebellion causes it to fall without much resistance; that’s the fate of most empires. Second, according to the polls, nearly a majority of Americans say they will not fight for their country; that number increases all the time. With that and other trends in mind (increasing racial polarization), it is not hard to imagine some state separating and the rest of the empire not being able or willing to muster an effective response. Would the pozzed antifa of Portland really fight and die, perhaps by the tens of thousands, to keep South Carolina from going independent? I don’t think so. The moment a state announces its independence backed with armed force, it will probably be a done deal – certainly 20 years from now, maybe sooner with president Kamala Harris.

    “If you win and get separation you lose part of your country. Why should we give up land that is ours? Why should we lose our consitutional rights in San Fransico or Portland?”

    1) That’s part of someone else’s country now. It is no longer yours now that you let it be overrun by someone else. Sam Donaldson said as much when he declared this wasn’t your country. There is nothing left for you to take back. You guys should have thought about that back when you were voting to re-elect Chamber of Commerce republicans. You’ve just lost whole sections of the country the same way Mexico lost Texas: demographic change

    2) I’d like my own country where my people make all the rules, where we are free to express ourselves without SJWs, free from racial oppression (no more left wing bigots and their “muh white supremacy” racist code words). That’s a natural aspiration all people have and there is nothing wrong with it.

    3) What stops you from moving out of San Fransisco? Millions of whites have fled California since 1980; over 100,000 middle class whites have left since Obama’s election.

    “3. Separation doesn’t end the conflict. The Left doesn’t accept borders, remember?”

    It certainly does end conflict as it empowers our side to make all the rules within our own borders. That’s what separate nations are for, after all. Works fine for Japan. Does Korea make laws there or tell those people what to do? Separate boundaries for separate people. That’s how it worked throughout history. Secession would immediately deplatform the entirety of the radical left as much of it is concentrated in just three democrat-voting cities. We can encourage the few radical leftists remaining to leave our country afterwards. No need to tolerate their behavior, no need to daydream about things we can never accomplish – like “marching through the institutions” … we can just get rid of the institutions and build our own without their input.

    The current institutions cannot be saved. The system is corrupted beyond anything anyone here can imagine. Example: search for the TAC article “Why regulators went soft on monopolies.” It’s an eye opener. That kind of systemic graft cannot be fixed absent a dictator or full system reset; I propose the latter. Without one of those options, those borders will never be shut (republicans are already working on giving Facebook and Google more slave laborers and the democrats more future voters). Texas is maybe one election away from going blue and ending the republican party as a competitive national party forever. That’s exactly what happened in California.

    “You are only drawing a new line in the sand which they will cross, illegally.”

    That’s what the army is for.

    “Separation gives them the coasts. That is where the money is.”

    Not all of it. First, the South has the Gulf and some of the East Coast. We can easily import things there and transport them to other red states in the interior. Second, I suspect some of those blue areas on the coasts would be much less able to compete globally on their own. California, for example, as a net migration rate equivalent to a much smaller state like Michigan; a lot of the talent there is imported, so a separate California (especially a separate Southern California) would instantly become much less attractive globally as a destination. Probably, other nations would start gobbling up the talent going there. Third, money for whom? Rich billionaires in those coastal areas fight tooth and nail to keep as much of their own cash as possible. Money for them is not money for me.

    “Separation gives them their own country, which they will destroy like Detroit. Expect subsequent spill-over of their problems into your country.”

    We’ll be sure to enforce our border this time then.

    “6. Separation implies being whittled down. People who accept being whittled down, will be whittled down.”

    No, it doesn’t. It’s a strategic withdrawal to a stronger position. Armies that overstretch their supply lines pay every time. That’s what we’re seeing now. We are fighting unwinnable battles over a huge landmass and getting routed because we refuse to retreat to a strategically superior position. We could easily do so and dare the enemy to attack. They won’t. Check the polls.

    Imagine making these arguments to colonial Americans who wanted to separate from the British Empire. Obviously, these arguments didn’t apply there, so there is a reasonable chance they don’t apply here either. One of the many things I hate about the American right is how infested their minds are with magical thinking. They are every bit as bad as the “liberals” they criticize. These people are going to have us fighting until we are totally routed and are left with nothing. Ask Napoleon about that. He was offered generous peace terms. Like a fool, he turned them down and ended up with nothing to show for his efforts. Same here if you listen to these people. The democrats just announced decriminalizing immigration and giving healthcare to literally everyone who crosses that border. There is no going back from that. Face it, if it’s come to this point, you’ve already lost. Stop trying to take the rest of us down with you.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @anon

    Agree. In the event of a state's seceding , what it all comes down to is whether the National Guard or Army or whatever would be willing to open fire on fellow citizens. As you say, they may not have the stomach for that.

    "A mineral and a rock do not mean the same thing. Minerals are made of individual or a combination of elements. A mineral is composed of the same substance throughout. A rock is made of a combination of two or more different minerals." In a rock, diverse minerals are fused together by heat or pressure, resulting in a sort of alloy e.g. granite.

    In contradistinction, America is an agglomeration. Unlike a mineral or rock, its disparate elements are not fused. They do not unite to form a new alloy with unique properties. The only thing they share is proximity.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @MBlanc46
    @anon

    I don’t normally reply to Anons, but thanks for that. Separation is a legitimate position and we need to start hearing both sides if it.

  74. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    “I say this, of course, with the utmost respect. But separation is completely impossible–they’ve made it that way.” AND “Why else do you think migrants and negroes are shipped en masse to Dubuque and Missoula?”

    If it weren’t possible, they wouldn’t be doing that.

    “TPTB would happily execute each and every one of us before they’d allow us the freedom of self-determination.”

    Vox Day bans black-pill posters. I agree with that sentiment.

  75. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    “No way do the invaders get to keep territory unless they can hold it militarily.”

    Pure fantasy. Please explain to me how that’s going now. They seem to be taking your territory just fine and with the aid of the entire federal government and media. They don’t need to get past your military because 1) your military doesn’t want to stop them 2) they are nowhere to be found. Explain how you’re going to do anything by voting for Trump, a guy who says he wants more legal immigrants than ever. How exactly do you stop a president Kamala Harris who says she wants open borders when she’ll be backed up by the entire mainstream media and government and pozzed military? How do you stop this once the republicans lose Texas forever? Not to be rude, but you guys are all heavily in denial about what’s happening. You’re like Adolf playing with divisions that don’t exist.

  76. @MEH 0910
    @Tiny Duck

    https://i.imgur.com/ADzADpd.jpg

    Replies: @Simon Tugmutton, @TWS

    That’s a pintail. IDK if there’s a pinhead duck; in any case, TD does a very good impression of one.

  77. Yeah, it took a while to figure it out, ‘cos he kept calling her “Becky Ross and shit.”

    Someone ought to collect a bunch of Nikes (used … don’t give them any more money), burn them, and post the video to social media. Wait…. Nike is betting on black?

    • Replies: @guest
    @The Alarmist

    Maybe Nike is expecting reparations.

    "New kicks" would come in just ahead of spinning rims and platinum dental accessories the first and only Friday blacks spend their windfall.

    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    @The Alarmist

    Bettin' big on reparations gettin' done.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  78. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m just astonished how much in denial people are, even here. Many of these comments are self-defeating – shooting down other practical suggestions like separation, half-hearted justifications (“other countries had slavery”, “it’s not so bad he did this because the shoes are made in China”), or just pure fantasy: we’ll take it back with the milwatarwee. Sure.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @anon

    The "self" you're referring to is imaginary. There is no white nation. Rich white snobs are attacking America and its heritage because they wish to rule the world, not a mere country. You can either fight them or blather mindlessly about whiteness like an SJW. Your choice.

  79. @Redneck farmer
    Nike also announced they won't have any cotton in their shoes, due to cotton's relationship with American slavery. Also not to be used in the future are leather, the material used in overseers' whips; and hemp, which was used in the ropes used in lynchings.

    Replies: @bored identity, @Mr. Grey

    …and dindus just can’t wait to get that reparation gibs, so they continue to gib the Man his $200 for a pair of stinky plastic footwear.

  80. I think this is the perfect occasion for a civilizational what-if as in what if we’d never brought slaves to the new world? For that matter, what if we had only colonized to the degree the Indians found acceptable?

    Would Colin Kaepernik even exist?

    • Replies: @Corn
    @miss marple

    “what if we’d never brought slaves to the new world?”

    If only

    , @Prester John
    @miss marple

    Somehow I suspect that Kaepernick isn't the only one in on this. Has anyone noticed that he was just another fairly talented NFL qb until he hooked up with that Nessa Daib woman?

  81. @Anon
    The current flag was created in 1959 with the admission of Hawaii and Alaska.

    Jim Crow continued until 1965.

    Time for a new flag?

    https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us_afro7.gif

    Replies: @nsa, @Tyto Alba, @AndrewR, @guest

    Still 13 stripes, which is redolent of slavery.

    Let go full Wakanda:

  82. @anon
    @istevefan

    Objections to Separation:
    1. We already tried that in 1861. You don't get to separate without a war. There will never be a peaceful break up of the United States of America.
    2. If you win and get separation you lose part of your country. Why should we give up land that is ours? Why should we lose our consitutional rights in San Fransico or Portland?
    3. Separation doesn't end the conflict. The Left doesn't accept borders, remember? You are only drawing a new line in the sand which they will cross, illegally.
    4. Separation gives them the coasts. That is where the money is.
    5. Separation gives them their own country, which they will destroy like Detroit. Expect subsequent spill-over of their problems into your country.
    6. Separation implies being whittled down. People who accept being whittled down, will be whittled down.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Redneck farmer, @miss marple

    On occasion countries do get amicable divorces, split the assets and finally start respecting each other’s boundaries.

    I think of secession more as a euphemism for deportation, however. It would be easier to split this nation ever how many ways than to deport illegals or treasonous liberals.

  83. @The Alarmist
    Yeah, it took a while to figure it out, 'cos he kept calling her "Becky Ross and shit."

    Someone ought to collect a bunch of Nikes (used ... don't give them any more money), burn them, and post the video to social media. Wait.... Nike is betting on black?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G16qZRlhGKM

    Replies: @guest, @Oleaginous Outrager

    Maybe Nike is expecting reparations.

    “New kicks” would come in just ahead of spinning rims and platinum dental accessories the first and only Friday blacks spend their windfall.

  84. @The Alarmist
    Yeah, it took a while to figure it out, 'cos he kept calling her "Becky Ross and shit."

    Someone ought to collect a bunch of Nikes (used ... don't give them any more money), burn them, and post the video to social media. Wait.... Nike is betting on black?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G16qZRlhGKM

    Replies: @guest, @Oleaginous Outrager

    Bettin’ big on reparations gettin’ done.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    Reparations in America are going to be like instructions on a shampoo bottle: Payoff, blather, riot, repeat.

  85. @Oleaginous Outrager
    @The Alarmist

    Bettin' big on reparations gettin' done.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Reparations in America are going to be like instructions on a shampoo bottle: Payoff, blather, riot, repeat.

  86. @Change that Matters
    Any word from Colin the Oracle about this?

    Nike reportedly halted a shoe release in China after its co-designer supported Hong Kong protesters.

    In a world inhabited mostly by binary thinkers, the Kaepernick/Nike social justice tag team makes sense. For the remainder, not so much.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    Remember, China is The Future. You wouldn’t want to anger The Future,would you?

  87. @Alfa158
    @Unladen Swallow

    Tiny D(i)uck, as his moniker indicates, is a satirist impersonating a brain dead SJW for laughs. That’s why he uses a self-insulting moniker, and throws in the malapropisms and misspellings to make sure we get the joke.
    He links to the ever changing cavalcade of ludicrous videos and writers as examples of people saying the same dumb things he says, but in their cases those people are, as incredible as it seems, perfectly sincere.

    Replies: @lavoisier, @Known Fact, @MBlanc46

    Agreed.

    TD is so consistent in the stupidity that there can be no other explanation for the postings.

  88. @Ozymandias
    The Constitution is from that same period. We better scrap it.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Mr. Anon, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @BigDickNick, @David In TN

    You’re a bit late to the party, Chief.

  89. He continues to be frozen out of the NFL, but he isn’t being silenced.

    The whole thing reads like propaganda. I wonder if it was staged and Nike never planned to release the shoe and thought this would get them good woke PR. There is no natural market for a shoe with the Betsy Ross flag on it. He isn’t getting frozen out of the league, no one wants the headaches he causes for a player of his seriously declining skill level.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Barnard

    Exactly.

    Look at Ducey's twitter. Republicans pounce still gets clicks/sells shoes. Rich and wannabe rich snobs above all that/can see through all that, so they buy the product that reminds them of that warm and fuzzy feeling of superiority.

    , @EdwardM
    @Barnard

    This was my thought.

    How do we know that Kaepernick convinced them to nix the shoe? Either he leaked it, as a smug signal of his virtue and influence and to get himself in the news, or else Nike leaked it, as, um, a smug signal of their virtue and to get themselves in the news. I can picture the Nike PR people licking their chops to get this story out there, unless it was contrived from the beginning.

    Was this shoe ever unveiled before this story? This has got to set a record for the most cynical marketing ploy ever. And that's quite a high bar to clear.

  90. @donut
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Not really a good slogan for a shoe though don't you think ?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Ron Mexico

    Don’t tread would refer to don’t scuff up my shoes. I am sure that some ‘hood killings have occurred as a result, so don’t tread is highly appropriate.

  91. Kaepernick is the best evidence for concussion-induced brain damage in pro football players.

  92. Good, it’s clear we are two different Nations. Let them go their own way and leave us in peace.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @TWS

    Yes, this is the best response to all of this stuff. They say in a hundred ways that they're not on the same team as us, so let's turn around and tell them "we have heard you, we agree and will go forward without you as much as we are able".

  93. TWS says:
    @MEH 0910
    @Tiny Duck

    https://i.imgur.com/ADzADpd.jpg

    Replies: @Simon Tugmutton, @TWS

    He’s clearly larping as a gay, black, progressive man/woman. He’s posted copy/paste from many different views.

    I’ve encouraged him to come out and take a bow. We’ve reached peak duck and clown world has surpassed anything the duck posts anyway.

    He should take a bow and write a book.

  94. @SimpleSong
    @J.Ross

    NB is also a bit of a tell regarding the person's personality and judgment. NB makes equal or better shoes than Nike for the same or lower price, but Nike markets much more aggressively. If you are smart enough to discern relative quality and tune out hype then you will (usually) end up with NBs, unless there is some kind of crazy sale going on.

    Yes I notice people's shoes outside of work, and yes, I file it away....

    Replies: @Brutusale, @BigDickNick

    For years New Balance was the only sneaker option for people like me, size 12 4E. Wide widths weren’t available from most of the other companies.

  95. @Ozymandias
    The Constitution is from that same period. We better scrap it.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Mr. Anon, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @BigDickNick, @David In TN

    We need a legal system that reflects the improvisational nature of african justice rather than the stale pale male law system we currently have.

  96. @SimpleSong
    @J.Ross

    NB is also a bit of a tell regarding the person's personality and judgment. NB makes equal or better shoes than Nike for the same or lower price, but Nike markets much more aggressively. If you are smart enough to discern relative quality and tune out hype then you will (usually) end up with NBs, unless there is some kind of crazy sale going on.

    Yes I notice people's shoes outside of work, and yes, I file it away....

    Replies: @Brutusale, @BigDickNick

    nikes are cool looking though! I was a nike guy before this kaepernick crap. Now no longer buy them or Ben and Jerrys my previous favorite iced cream brand. BTW in addition to being anti-white woke here in the US Ben and Jerry’s works with zionist west bank settler dairy farms.

    “White people are racist oppressors! Zionist dairy farms being built on palestinian land?!?!?!? That’s complicated, goy, you don’t understand!!!!!”

  97. TWS says:
    @Whiskey
    bet on Colin. Always. Worship of Blacks is America's religion.

    The flag will be outlawed by Pres. Harris. There is no end to hating Whitey.

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @istevefan, @TWS

    Whisky I have been kind when you post your whiny incel stuff but you need to get out of your bunker and actually look at America. Outside the cities every single house/farm/ business has a flag. They’re not going away.

    I know some woman walked by you once with mix race kids or a black guy on her arm but that’s no reason to lay on your back with your feet in the air screaming the sky is falling.

  98. @Tiny Duck
    Good move by Nike. They know there customer base. Young Of Color global and progressive.

    Kaepernik is wildly popular with the youth and future of America.

    It IS an offensive flag to Youth of Color and allies

    You guys need to watch the Netflix special "Homecoming " by Hassan Minhaj

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @MEH 0910, @TWS, @SunBakedSuburb, @RonaldB

    Seriously? No, “white women want the black Johnson”? You have to work that in.

  99. @miss marple
    I think this is the perfect occasion for a civilizational what-if as in what if we'd never brought slaves to the new world? For that matter, what if we had only colonized to the degree the Indians found acceptable?

    Would Colin Kaepernik even exist?

    Replies: @Corn, @Prester John

    “what if we’d never brought slaves to the new world?”

    If only

  100. Well, my baby went to Illinois with some bad-talkin’ boy she could destroy
    A real suicide case, but there was nothin’ I could do to stop it
    I don’t care about economy
    I don’t care about astronomy
    But it sure do bother me to see my loved ones turning into puppets
    And there’s a slow, slow train comin’ up around the bend

  101. O/T Steve, but it mixes two of your favorite iSteve topics: Baseball and Emmett Till.

    Seems my South Siders are as dumb as the North Siders are lately. Guess who they included in a Jumbo-tron list of famous Chicagoans?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2019/6/30/20599178/chicago-white-sox-address-use-of-emmett-till-photo-on-scoreboard-pat-sajak-orson-welles

    I cannot find an NYT story on this yet.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @mmack

    Did they include John Wayne Gacy?

  102. @J.Ross
    @istevefan

    I love the Whiskey Rebellion flag.
    https://postimg.cc/bdB657s4

    Replies: @istevefan

    I’ve never seen that one before. From the looks of those stars that really is Whiskey’s flag.

  103. The only connection the Betsy Ross flag has to slavery is it comes from antebellum America. It’s only “connected” in the SPLC sense. What does this imply for all other antebellum American symbols?

  104. Nike can replace the flag with a sickle and hammer.

  105. @anon
    I'm just astonished how much in denial people are, even here. Many of these comments are self-defeating - shooting down other practical suggestions like separation, half-hearted justifications ("other countries had slavery", "it's not so bad he did this because the shoes are made in China"), or just pure fantasy: we'll take it back with the milwatarwee. Sure.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The “self” you’re referring to is imaginary. There is no white nation. Rich white snobs are attacking America and its heritage because they wish to rule the world, not a mere country. You can either fight them or blather mindlessly about whiteness like an SJW. Your choice.

  106. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @DiogenesNYC
    Out of consideration for Colin, we should also discontinue all products made with cotton, cane sugar, or tobacco.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Him and his ilk wouldn’t be here where it not for slavery of course.

    The pleasure of west central Africa awaits you.

  107. @Barnard

    He continues to be frozen out of the NFL, but he isn’t being silenced.
     
    The whole thing reads like propaganda. I wonder if it was staged and Nike never planned to release the shoe and thought this would get them good woke PR. There is no natural market for a shoe with the Betsy Ross flag on it. He isn't getting frozen out of the league, no one wants the headaches he causes for a player of his seriously declining skill level.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @EdwardM

    Exactly.

    Look at Ducey’s twitter. Republicans pounce still gets clicks/sells shoes. Rich and wannabe rich snobs above all that/can see through all that, so they buy the product that reminds them of that warm and fuzzy feeling of superiority.

  108. Sometimes I think there is a secret conspiracy among California liberals to get Trump re-elected.

    Kap gets an American flag shoe banned.
    Harris runs on a “bring back busing” platform.

    Then I realize these are California liberals we are taking about. The rich California liberals just send their kids to private schools and don’t care what shoes you wear as long as you keep off the “public” beaches.

    Remember I am a liberal and I want a sane Democrat to beat Trump in 2020. Assuming one exists.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Paleo Liberal

    Tulsi. If Tulsi wasn’t kowtowing to open borders even I would vote for her.
    But the Inner Party is never going let her get anywhere near the Oval Office.
    If you mean “sane Democrat” and “can win the nomination”, I think those are now mutually exclusive.

    , @MBlanc46
    @Paleo Liberal

    You’re probably the last sane Dem. If you’re sane.

  109. @J.Ross
    @AnonAnon

    I love New Balance. They're praised by lefties as well as righties for standing by their American work force and they're an objectively great shoe.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Mr McKenna, @Tono Bungay, @Alfa158

    i wear NB, too, but I’d pay even more for them if I didn’t have to wear their big “N” on each foot. When Americans start objecting to walking around with makers’ names and logos all over them, then I’ll start thinking there’s hope for this country.

    • Agree: Cortes
  110. “Nike has chosen not to release the Air Max 1 Quick Strike Fourth of July as it featured the old version of the American flag,” a Nike spokeswoman told the Wall Street Journal. Nike has not specified a reason for the move.

    More Orwellian manipulation of language to confuse and subtly brainwash people.

    The first and two sentences contradict each other. The phrase “as it” can indicate varying things from context. In the sentence “The dog barked as it ran,” for instance, “as it” means “while” (i.e., the barking and running were simultaneous). However, one meaning of “as it – and the indisputable meaning when used as it was used in the statement – is “because.” Some examples illustrate this usage:

    “The company went out of business, as it did not make any money.”

    “The race was postponed, as it rained too much to continue on the slick track.”

    And so on.

    To say the shoe was not released “as it featured” the flag is to say it was not released because it featured the flag, which is to say Nike most certainly did specify “a reason for the move.” If, as the second sentence indicates, no reason were specified, the first sentence would have to read something like “Nike has chosen not to release the Air Max 1 Quick Strike Fourth of July, as it which featured the old version of the American flag….” (Note that either version should also include the comma I added, but that error may be writer Mike Florio’s stupidity, and not the spokeslady’s….)

    This is downright bizarre. If indeed mere stupidity, and not intentional bastardization of the language, is the problem here, Nike should select spokeswomen who actually understand English if they are going to be speaking in English. (“You had one job!”)

    Mr. Florio should also avoid the offensive term spokeswoman, as all are spokespersons now, just as no one is an actress or a comiendenne anymore, no?

  111. @petit bourgeois
    Nevermind the fact the sneakers are made in China with slave labor.

    Replies: @yakushimaru, @Prester John

    We are not to know this.

  112. @Reg Cæsar
    The First Amendment would prevent this from serving as our new national flag, but it might work on the bottom of a sneaker:

    https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/colin-kaepernick-tattoos.jpg

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Intelligent Dasein, @bored identity

    Time for everybody to admit it: Colin Kapernick is a white man.

    I know he’s trying to become a Blue-American (I see this tribe all the time at Wal-Mart) but his existential whiteness keeps showing through.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @stillCARealist

    Nailed it. Wokeness is a white thing.

  113. @J.Ross
    @AnonAnon

    I love New Balance. They're praised by lefties as well as righties for standing by their American work force and they're an objectively great shoe.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Mr McKenna, @Tono Bungay, @Alfa158

    Most New Balance shoes are made in Asia, but it’s nice that they still have some US product for people who don’t mind spending more. My podiatrist recommends NB.
    I noticed that there are high end competitors like Brooks, that cost almost as much as the US made NBs, but are made by 75 cent an hour Asian labor. There must be some serious Air Jordan type margins in those.

  114. @donut
    @Clifford Brown

    They were white slaves so didn't happen .

    Replies: @Prester John

    Bingo!!

  115. @Paleo Liberal
    Sometimes I think there is a secret conspiracy among California liberals to get Trump re-elected.

    Kap gets an American flag shoe banned.
    Harris runs on a “bring back busing” platform.

    Then I realize these are California liberals we are taking about. The rich California liberals just send their kids to private schools and don’t care what shoes you wear as long as you keep off the “public” beaches.

    Remember I am a liberal and I want a sane Democrat to beat Trump in 2020. Assuming one exists.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @MBlanc46

    Tulsi. If Tulsi wasn’t kowtowing to open borders even I would vote for her.
    But the Inner Party is never going let her get anywhere near the Oval Office.
    If you mean “sane Democrat” and “can win the nomination”, I think those are now mutually exclusive.

  116. @Tiny Duck
    Good move by Nike. They know there customer base. Young Of Color global and progressive.

    Kaepernik is wildly popular with the youth and future of America.

    It IS an offensive flag to Youth of Color and allies

    You guys need to watch the Netflix special "Homecoming " by Hassan Minhaj

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @MEH 0910, @TWS, @SunBakedSuburb, @RonaldB

    TD, I have a question. My 7th grade gym teacher once told me the following: Son, wandering the world with a black brain and an Irish dick is a one-way ticket to looserville. Was he a racist for inferring that I had an African IQ? Was he sexually harassing my tiny leprechaun penis? Assuming that Mr. Enos is still alive and I can locate him, can I sue him for something, or has the statue of lamentations expired? Please reply to my p.o. box in Eureka. Also, you might want to ask Steve Sailer to insert you into his pilot script. You can be the negrophile white kid who is befriended by the teenage boy in the Korean family. Much to the dismay of his parents. Hilarity ensues. Being a figment of Steve’s imagination you have immediate access to his thought process. It’s up to you to convince him that this idea is gold.

  117. @miss marple
    I think this is the perfect occasion for a civilizational what-if as in what if we'd never brought slaves to the new world? For that matter, what if we had only colonized to the degree the Indians found acceptable?

    Would Colin Kaepernik even exist?

    Replies: @Corn, @Prester John

    Somehow I suspect that Kaepernick isn’t the only one in on this. Has anyone noticed that he was just another fairly talented NFL qb until he hooked up with that Nessa Daib woman?

  118. @Louis Renault
    @Whiskey

    What did white people ever do for the United States?

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Threaten the power of the oligarchs dynasties. Why we have to go. We are a threat to Buffett, Gates and Bezos. Kappy not so much.

  119. @Alfa158
    @Unladen Swallow

    Tiny D(i)uck, as his moniker indicates, is a satirist impersonating a brain dead SJW for laughs. That’s why he uses a self-insulting moniker, and throws in the malapropisms and misspellings to make sure we get the joke.
    He links to the ever changing cavalcade of ludicrous videos and writers as examples of people saying the same dumb things he says, but in their cases those people are, as incredible as it seems, perfectly sincere.

    Replies: @lavoisier, @Known Fact, @MBlanc46

    So he’s actually Tinytania McDuck?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Known Fact

    Yes. He's the iSteve mascot, but he could step it up a bit.

    http://66.media.tumblr.com/5c96de9b6e639a7e34556e30aa684067/tumblr_mypd4qBhM51qdlh1io1_400.gif

  120. @Barnard

    He continues to be frozen out of the NFL, but he isn’t being silenced.
     
    The whole thing reads like propaganda. I wonder if it was staged and Nike never planned to release the shoe and thought this would get them good woke PR. There is no natural market for a shoe with the Betsy Ross flag on it. He isn't getting frozen out of the league, no one wants the headaches he causes for a player of his seriously declining skill level.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @EdwardM

    This was my thought.

    How do we know that Kaepernick convinced them to nix the shoe? Either he leaked it, as a smug signal of his virtue and influence and to get himself in the news, or else Nike leaked it, as, um, a smug signal of their virtue and to get themselves in the news. I can picture the Nike PR people licking their chops to get this story out there, unless it was contrived from the beginning.

    Was this shoe ever unveiled before this story? This has got to set a record for the most cynical marketing ploy ever. And that’s quite a high bar to clear.

  121. Entertainers (including athletes) are a perfect philosophical foundation for the left. The essence of entertainment is drawing people away from logos and into pathos. What could be more leftist than that? And what could be more “product marketing” (Nike) than that?

    The fervent and obsessed true believer is the current ideal for the left. When you can wear that costume effectively you can divert attention away from your personal wealth and celebrity because the masses have been pulled away from critical thinking. The left will eventually come for you, though.

  122. Here is what bothers me, an old time liberal, the most.

    We liberals are letting right-wingers take away everything.

    First, we allowed the Nazis ownership of the swastika, a holy symbol on several continents for thousands of years.

    Second, lefties allowed the pro-Vietnam War people to appropriate the American flag. This was the opposite of the right wing America First types in WW II who were smart enough to wrap themselves in the flag. (At least most wrapped themselves in the American flag. Some used the Nazi flag).

    Abandoning the US flag was a major error. By 9/11/2001 at least most liberals knew that. Most of us liberals who were in NYC after 9/11 flew the flag. Except Katha Pollit who was still stuck in a different century.

    Then, liberals let the right wingers snatch up the Gasden flag.

    Then Pepe the Frog. Ok, I never cared about that stupid frog in the first place.

    Then the OK sign. My woke lefty kids still play the “circle game”. I’ve tried to warn them about the PC police but all I get are teenage eye rolls.

    Thing is, the right wingers didn’t even want the OK sign. They took it just to laugh at lefties going into conniption fits.

    Now the Betsy Ross flag?
    Seriously. Go over to Slate and read the comments. Some poor lefty wants to fly the 13 star flag on July 4th and is wondering if he is still allowed. I am frigging serious here.

    I am a lefty and I want it all back!

    I am pissed at Nike and Kappy — who already gave away the National Anthem and God Bless America — giving away one more flag.

    F them! I want it all back! All of it!

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Paleo Liberal

    It's going down like a skyscraper on 9/11.

    (And there was no reason at all to wrap oneself in flags after 9/11 because tower wreckage was disposed off suspiciously quickly as was the constitution, interference was run on analysis and correct story telling, firefighters and inhabitants of Manhattan got their free cancer, someone got a Freedom Medal, Anthrax was delivered and then instead of bombing Israel and Saudi Arabia, they got all they wanted and more.)

    , @MBlanc46
    @Paleo Liberal

    The only way to get it all back is to join us. The Left—the real Left, not the pro-union, social safety net Left of your childhood—hate America and all its symbols, which they will destroy as they destroy what the symbols stand for. If you show any attachment to those symbols, they will come for you. And if they come for you, you might as well really deserve it and be one of us.

  123. GSR says:

    In reality, the United States and the Constitution shouldn’t apply to “blacks and browns”. They are not the kind of people that create rules-based, lawful, productive civil societies; they are tribal people.

    I’m for carving out “black and brown” areas of the country with never any allowance of “tribal types” crossing the borders into the USA.

  124. @Reg Cæsar
    The First Amendment would prevent this from serving as our new national flag, but it might work on the bottom of a sneaker:

    https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/colin-kaepernick-tattoos.jpg

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Intelligent Dasein, @bored identity

    “America changing. Do you see?”

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Kaepernick is 20% African at best. All those tattoos herald his derangement. His parents who adopted him were religious and God fearing. They gave him love and discipline to succeed in football. But ultimately his nihilist African component won out. Though the dude has been winning lawsuits against the NFL and Nike contracts. My guess he is worth 30-40 million.

  125. @Paleo Liberal
    Here is what bothers me, an old time liberal, the most.

    We liberals are letting right-wingers take away everything.

    First, we allowed the Nazis ownership of the swastika, a holy symbol on several continents for thousands of years.

    Second, lefties allowed the pro-Vietnam War people to appropriate the American flag. This was the opposite of the right wing America First types in WW II who were smart enough to wrap themselves in the flag. (At least most wrapped themselves in the American flag. Some used the Nazi flag).

    Abandoning the US flag was a major error. By 9/11/2001 at least most liberals knew that. Most of us liberals who were in NYC after 9/11 flew the flag. Except Katha Pollit who was still stuck in a different century.

    Then, liberals let the right wingers snatch up the Gasden flag.

    Then Pepe the Frog. Ok, I never cared about that stupid frog in the first place.

    Then the OK sign. My woke lefty kids still play the “circle game”. I’ve tried to warn them about the PC police but all I get are teenage eye rolls.

    Thing is, the right wingers didn’t even want the OK sign. They took it just to laugh at lefties going into conniption fits.

    Now the Betsy Ross flag?
    Seriously. Go over to Slate and read the comments. Some poor lefty wants to fly the 13 star flag on July 4th and is wondering if he is still allowed. I am frigging serious here.

    I am a lefty and I want it all back!

    I am pissed at Nike and Kappy — who already gave away the National Anthem and God Bless America — giving away one more flag.

    F them! I want it all back! All of it!

    Replies: @El Dato, @MBlanc46

    It’s going down like a skyscraper on 9/11.

    (And there was no reason at all to wrap oneself in flags after 9/11 because tower wreckage was disposed off suspiciously quickly as was the constitution, interference was run on analysis and correct story telling, firefighters and inhabitants of Manhattan got their free cancer, someone got a Freedom Medal, Anthrax was delivered and then instead of bombing Israel and Saudi Arabia, they got all they wanted and more.)

  126. @Anon55uu
    I hadn’t seen it mentioned here, but the NBA has just announced its dropping use of the term “owner”.

    Replies: @Clyde

    I hadn’t seen it mentioned here, but the NBA has just announced its dropping use of the term “owner”.

    Replace it with overseer. NBA is the pro sports league I care least about and actively dislike. Football is useless. Baseball still OK. Hockey is exciting in person.

  127. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Reg Cæsar

    "America changing. Do you see?"

    http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/Vm5QgEARF_Dl.jpg

    Replies: @Clyde

    Kaepernick is 20% African at best. All those tattoos herald his derangement. His parents who adopted him were religious and God fearing. They gave him love and discipline to succeed in football. But ultimately his nihilist African component won out. Though the dude has been winning lawsuits against the NFL and Nike contracts. My guess he is worth 30-40 million.

  128. @Tiny Duck
    Good move by Nike. They know there customer base. Young Of Color global and progressive.

    Kaepernik is wildly popular with the youth and future of America.

    It IS an offensive flag to Youth of Color and allies

    You guys need to watch the Netflix special "Homecoming " by Hassan Minhaj

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow, @MEH 0910, @TWS, @SunBakedSuburb, @RonaldB

    All true, very true. TD. You are a prophet. Young people of color will exist the way their parents and grandparents did: welfare, food stamps, public assistance, emergency room medical care, affirmative action positions, and set-asides for the elite. And the Democrats appear to be the most reliable sponsors of continuing the status quo.

    All of which to say, it’s time to follow the Jeffersonian principle of splitting the Republic into manageable bites. San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Atlanta, Houston and metropolitan areas, should split off as free, autonomous city-states with distinct borders and economies, where the people of color and progressives can illustrate the superiority of their economic thinking.

    Different regions like the Northeast, Southeast, Central South, West Coast, etc can separate with formal but cordial relations among them. Smaller government is more responsive government, and less likely to spawn vast, expensive, lumbering, expensive, unaccountable bureaucracies. Czechoslovakia split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia between which, I understand, the people have very warm interpersonal relations, kind of like Canada and the US.

  129. Binders full of women Rs getting ratioed as usual:

    They hate you because you pander to them. Can they possibly ever learn?

  130. @Redneck farmer
    Nike also announced they won't have any cotton in their shoes, due to cotton's relationship with American slavery. Also not to be used in the future are leather, the material used in overseers' whips; and hemp, which was used in the ropes used in lynchings.

    Replies: @bored identity, @Mr. Grey

    What can I do as a white ally? I thought of going barefoot, but might that be construed as cultural appropriation of the slave narrative?

    • LOL: Desiderius
  131. @istevefan
    @Whiskey

    Do you know you have the right to keep and bear arms?

    Replies: @Marty

    A non-denial denial. Are you one of those, “get laid more” types?

  132. To be honest I do not participate in the flag fetishism so popular in some circles. It is only a symbol and while symbols can be quite important (e.g. christian liturgy) a misplaced reverence for the symbol is not as important as reverence or respect for the thing it symbolizes.

    Nike has the right to make decisions about their business practices as they see fit whether the general public agrees or not. They have to answer to their shareholders. We can register our assent or dissent by withholding our dollars or spending our dollars on their products. That is the power of the marketplace.

    Nike could put religious icons on their overpriced, made by slave labor shoes and I wouldn’t buy a pair.

    It irritates my wife (one reason I continue the practice) when I put the US flag stamps on correspondence upside down. I told her as long as you buy them I’ll put them on upside down.

  133. @Coag
    There should be a new metric, the Racist Oppression Quotient (ROQ) which is equivalent to 200 - IQ. It would neatly encapsulate the leftist thesis that intellectual differences are due to psychic stress from experiencing racism. It can be used widely in the leftist social sciences to generate all sorts of make-work and scholarly publications for the legions of unemployable African-American Studies majors.

    Replies: @Marty

    They’re not unemployable – there are plenty of MTA’s in need of vest wearers and only one Prop. 13.

  134. @TWS
    Good, it's clear we are two different Nations. Let them go their own way and leave us in peace.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Yes, this is the best response to all of this stuff. They say in a hundred ways that they’re not on the same team as us, so let’s turn around and tell them “we have heard you, we agree and will go forward without you as much as we are able”.

  135. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Cortes

    I sure as hell hope not. (I don't watch TV). Is that what you mean, Cortez, the illegal Valedictorians, OK, assistants to the Valedictorians?

    Replies: @Cortes

  136. @Ozymandias
    The Constitution is from that same period. We better scrap it.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Mr. Anon, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @BigDickNick, @David In TN

    The first and second amendments will be done away with if (when) the left can manage it.

  137. Washed-up football player Colin Kaepernick is a bitter man.

  138. @anon
    "Objections to Separation: 1. We already tried that in 1861. You don’t get to separate without a war. There will never be a peaceful break up of the United States of America."

    Nothing is settled until we say it is settled, and we say it is not settled. Ink on a page does not dictate our destiny. That's up to us to decide ourselves. First, you don't know any of that is true. When the Soviet Union fell, it's not like it precipitated an effective armed response by the central government. Eventually, the system becomes so unpopular, so unstable, that even the slightest hint of rebellion causes it to fall without much resistance; that's the fate of most empires. Second, according to the polls, nearly a majority of Americans say they will not fight for their country; that number increases all the time. With that and other trends in mind (increasing racial polarization), it is not hard to imagine some state separating and the rest of the empire not being able or willing to muster an effective response. Would the pozzed antifa of Portland really fight and die, perhaps by the tens of thousands, to keep South Carolina from going independent? I don't think so. The moment a state announces its independence backed with armed force, it will probably be a done deal - certainly 20 years from now, maybe sooner with president Kamala Harris.

    "If you win and get separation you lose part of your country. Why should we give up land that is ours? Why should we lose our consitutional rights in San Fransico or Portland?"

    1) That's part of someone else's country now. It is no longer yours now that you let it be overrun by someone else. Sam Donaldson said as much when he declared this wasn't your country. There is nothing left for you to take back. You guys should have thought about that back when you were voting to re-elect Chamber of Commerce republicans. You've just lost whole sections of the country the same way Mexico lost Texas: demographic change

    2) I'd like my own country where my people make all the rules, where we are free to express ourselves without SJWs, free from racial oppression (no more left wing bigots and their "muh white supremacy" racist code words). That's a natural aspiration all people have and there is nothing wrong with it.

    3) What stops you from moving out of San Fransisco? Millions of whites have fled California since 1980; over 100,000 middle class whites have left since Obama's election.

    "3. Separation doesn’t end the conflict. The Left doesn’t accept borders, remember?"

    It certainly does end conflict as it empowers our side to make all the rules within our own borders. That's what separate nations are for, after all. Works fine for Japan. Does Korea make laws there or tell those people what to do? Separate boundaries for separate people. That's how it worked throughout history. Secession would immediately deplatform the entirety of the radical left as much of it is concentrated in just three democrat-voting cities. We can encourage the few radical leftists remaining to leave our country afterwards. No need to tolerate their behavior, no need to daydream about things we can never accomplish - like "marching through the institutions" ... we can just get rid of the institutions and build our own without their input.

    The current institutions cannot be saved. The system is corrupted beyond anything anyone here can imagine. Example: search for the TAC article "Why regulators went soft on monopolies." It's an eye opener. That kind of systemic graft cannot be fixed absent a dictator or full system reset; I propose the latter. Without one of those options, those borders will never be shut (republicans are already working on giving Facebook and Google more slave laborers and the democrats more future voters). Texas is maybe one election away from going blue and ending the republican party as a competitive national party forever. That's exactly what happened in California.

    "You are only drawing a new line in the sand which they will cross, illegally."

    That's what the army is for.

    "Separation gives them the coasts. That is where the money is."

    Not all of it. First, the South has the Gulf and some of the East Coast. We can easily import things there and transport them to other red states in the interior. Second, I suspect some of those blue areas on the coasts would be much less able to compete globally on their own. California, for example, as a net migration rate equivalent to a much smaller state like Michigan; a lot of the talent there is imported, so a separate California (especially a separate Southern California) would instantly become much less attractive globally as a destination. Probably, other nations would start gobbling up the talent going there. Third, money for whom? Rich billionaires in those coastal areas fight tooth and nail to keep as much of their own cash as possible. Money for them is not money for me.

    "Separation gives them their own country, which they will destroy like Detroit. Expect subsequent spill-over of their problems into your country."

    We'll be sure to enforce our border this time then.

    "6. Separation implies being whittled down. People who accept being whittled down, will be whittled down."

    No, it doesn't. It's a strategic withdrawal to a stronger position. Armies that overstretch their supply lines pay every time. That's what we're seeing now. We are fighting unwinnable battles over a huge landmass and getting routed because we refuse to retreat to a strategically superior position. We could easily do so and dare the enemy to attack. They won't. Check the polls.

    Imagine making these arguments to colonial Americans who wanted to separate from the British Empire. Obviously, these arguments didn't apply there, so there is a reasonable chance they don't apply here either. One of the many things I hate about the American right is how infested their minds are with magical thinking. They are every bit as bad as the "liberals" they criticize. These people are going to have us fighting until we are totally routed and are left with nothing. Ask Napoleon about that. He was offered generous peace terms. Like a fool, he turned them down and ended up with nothing to show for his efforts. Same here if you listen to these people. The democrats just announced decriminalizing immigration and giving healthcare to literally everyone who crosses that border. There is no going back from that. Face it, if it's come to this point, you've already lost. Stop trying to take the rest of us down with you.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @MBlanc46

    Agree. In the event of a state’s seceding , what it all comes down to is whether the National Guard or Army or whatever would be willing to open fire on fellow citizens. As you say, they may not have the stomach for that.

    “A mineral and a rock do not mean the same thing. Minerals are made of individual or a combination of elements. A mineral is composed of the same substance throughout. A rock is made of a combination of two or more different minerals.” In a rock, diverse minerals are fused together by heat or pressure, resulting in a sort of alloy e.g. granite.

    In contradistinction, America is an agglomeration. Unlike a mineral or rock, its disparate elements are not fused. They do not unite to form a new alloy with unique properties. The only thing they share is proximity.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @ThreeCranes

    They'll have the will, this is the age of the Kuwaiti nurse.
    We are living in the age of bought and paid for congresscritters shouting down attempts to regulate facebook, intel mercs attempting to throw elections, "content creation" (paid organized social media sock puppets), and staged events to spur panic legislation. The hour a hypothetical state secedes, every mainstream media news channel will carry live footage of synagogues burning or children being beaten by sneering middle-aged men (who happen to wierdly resemble completely unrelated bystanders interviewed for other stories). One will sneer directly into the camera and shout, "this is what [secessionist entity] is all about!"

  139. Kaepernick informed Nike that the 13-star version of the flag constitutes an “offensive symbol” due to its connection to an age of slavery.

    That’s stupid. For him, chattel slavery in the Americas was the best thing ever. It was great for him personally (he lives!), and it also served his ethnic genetic interests wonderfully.

  140. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    Why doesn’t Nike put the Israeli flag on its sneakers in honor of America’s 51st state?

    Why doesn’t Trump invite Netanyahu to be the Grand Marshall of the July 4th parade in Washington, DC?

    And how about Israeli tanks?

    Blue and White fireworks?

    A fly-by by the Blue Angels in the shape of the Star of David?

  141. @stillCARealist
    @Reg Cæsar

    Time for everybody to admit it: Colin Kapernick is a white man.

    I know he's trying to become a Blue-American (I see this tribe all the time at Wal-Mart) but his existential whiteness keeps showing through.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Nailed it. Wokeness is a white thing.

  142. @Reg Cæsar
    The First Amendment would prevent this from serving as our new national flag, but it might work on the bottom of a sneaker:

    https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/colin-kaepernick-tattoos.jpg

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Intelligent Dasein, @bored identity

    Starve.The.Beast.

    Y’all, talk to your children before it’s too late.

  143. @mmack
    O/T Steve, but it mixes two of your favorite iSteve topics: Baseball and Emmett Till.

    Seems my South Siders are as dumb as the North Siders are lately. Guess who they included in a Jumbo-tron list of famous Chicagoans?

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2019/6/30/20599178/chicago-white-sox-address-use-of-emmett-till-photo-on-scoreboard-pat-sajak-orson-welles

    I cannot find an NYT story on this yet.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Did they include John Wayne Gacy?

  144. @Mr McKenna
    @AnotherDad

    Enjoy your fantasy. I say this, of course, with the utmost respect. But separation is completely impossible--they've made it that way. Why else do you think migrants and negroes are shipped en masse to Dubuque and Missoula? Even if--by some miracle--it were possible, TPTB would happily execute each and every one of us before they'd allow us the freedom of self-determination.

    Nope, they're perfectly content edging us toward disappearance and enslavement.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Nope, they’re perfectly content edging us toward disappearance and enslavement.

    They are indeed, but that doesn’t mean they will succeed.

  145. It’s outrageous that this clown dictates to Nike, but of course, just as if not more outrageous that their officers and board go along. I figure the best way to counter this misconduct on an individual level is, as with Gilette, not to buy their product.

    As a secondary repudiation, however, I also yesterday ordered a 3 by 5 ft, cotton, U.S. made Betsy Ross flag. So my money still went into the economy, but to a domestic manufacturer, not China, and promoted something Kaepernick wants to, and Nike assents to, ban.

  146. @ThreeCranes
    @anon

    Agree. In the event of a state's seceding , what it all comes down to is whether the National Guard or Army or whatever would be willing to open fire on fellow citizens. As you say, they may not have the stomach for that.

    "A mineral and a rock do not mean the same thing. Minerals are made of individual or a combination of elements. A mineral is composed of the same substance throughout. A rock is made of a combination of two or more different minerals." In a rock, diverse minerals are fused together by heat or pressure, resulting in a sort of alloy e.g. granite.

    In contradistinction, America is an agglomeration. Unlike a mineral or rock, its disparate elements are not fused. They do not unite to form a new alloy with unique properties. The only thing they share is proximity.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    They’ll have the will, this is the age of the Kuwaiti nurse.
    We are living in the age of bought and paid for congresscritters shouting down attempts to regulate facebook, intel mercs attempting to throw elections, “content creation” (paid organized social media sock puppets), and staged events to spur panic legislation. The hour a hypothetical state secedes, every mainstream media news channel will carry live footage of synagogues burning or children being beaten by sneering middle-aged men (who happen to wierdly resemble completely unrelated bystanders interviewed for other stories). One will sneer directly into the camera and shout, “this is what [secessionist entity] is all about!”

  147. @Known Fact
    @Alfa158

    So he's actually Tinytania McDuck?

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Yes. He’s the iSteve mascot, but he could step it up a bit.

  148. @SimpleSong
    In the long run blacks and browns rejecting the traditional symbols of America is a very positive thing. We got ourselves into trouble when they wrapped themselves in the flag (figuratively, sometimes literally) and the sentimental/gullible among us decided that they were 'just like us.'

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    Indeed. We should be emphasizing to normies that “civil rights” has failed. We were told that if we eliminated legal segregation, blacks would integrate into American society within a couple of generations. 60+ years on, no such thing has happened. The fact is that race relations are getting worse, and at an accelerating rate. We should slowly start introducing separatism into conversations on the subject.

  149. @istevefan
    @AnotherDad

    It depends on what you mean by separation. I feel the USA is ours and don't want separation if it involves giving any of it away, let alone a significant chunk.. Ditto for Europe. No way do the invaders get to keep territory unless they can hold it militarily.

    Replies: @anon, @MBlanc46

    The problem is, the Left—and the blacks—feel the same way. We can either exterminate them or accept partition. As the former seems very improbable, the latter is or only course. Provided that they don’t exterminate us.

  150. @Alfa158
    @Unladen Swallow

    Tiny D(i)uck, as his moniker indicates, is a satirist impersonating a brain dead SJW for laughs. That’s why he uses a self-insulting moniker, and throws in the malapropisms and misspellings to make sure we get the joke.
    He links to the ever changing cavalcade of ludicrous videos and writers as examples of people saying the same dumb things he says, but in their cases those people are, as incredible as it seems, perfectly sincere.

    Replies: @lavoisier, @Known Fact, @MBlanc46

    Thanks for pointing that out to newcomers. TD at least tries to inject some levity into our all-too-often grim proceedings.

  151. @anon
    "Objections to Separation: 1. We already tried that in 1861. You don’t get to separate without a war. There will never be a peaceful break up of the United States of America."

    Nothing is settled until we say it is settled, and we say it is not settled. Ink on a page does not dictate our destiny. That's up to us to decide ourselves. First, you don't know any of that is true. When the Soviet Union fell, it's not like it precipitated an effective armed response by the central government. Eventually, the system becomes so unpopular, so unstable, that even the slightest hint of rebellion causes it to fall without much resistance; that's the fate of most empires. Second, according to the polls, nearly a majority of Americans say they will not fight for their country; that number increases all the time. With that and other trends in mind (increasing racial polarization), it is not hard to imagine some state separating and the rest of the empire not being able or willing to muster an effective response. Would the pozzed antifa of Portland really fight and die, perhaps by the tens of thousands, to keep South Carolina from going independent? I don't think so. The moment a state announces its independence backed with armed force, it will probably be a done deal - certainly 20 years from now, maybe sooner with president Kamala Harris.

    "If you win and get separation you lose part of your country. Why should we give up land that is ours? Why should we lose our consitutional rights in San Fransico or Portland?"

    1) That's part of someone else's country now. It is no longer yours now that you let it be overrun by someone else. Sam Donaldson said as much when he declared this wasn't your country. There is nothing left for you to take back. You guys should have thought about that back when you were voting to re-elect Chamber of Commerce republicans. You've just lost whole sections of the country the same way Mexico lost Texas: demographic change

    2) I'd like my own country where my people make all the rules, where we are free to express ourselves without SJWs, free from racial oppression (no more left wing bigots and their "muh white supremacy" racist code words). That's a natural aspiration all people have and there is nothing wrong with it.

    3) What stops you from moving out of San Fransisco? Millions of whites have fled California since 1980; over 100,000 middle class whites have left since Obama's election.

    "3. Separation doesn’t end the conflict. The Left doesn’t accept borders, remember?"

    It certainly does end conflict as it empowers our side to make all the rules within our own borders. That's what separate nations are for, after all. Works fine for Japan. Does Korea make laws there or tell those people what to do? Separate boundaries for separate people. That's how it worked throughout history. Secession would immediately deplatform the entirety of the radical left as much of it is concentrated in just three democrat-voting cities. We can encourage the few radical leftists remaining to leave our country afterwards. No need to tolerate their behavior, no need to daydream about things we can never accomplish - like "marching through the institutions" ... we can just get rid of the institutions and build our own without their input.

    The current institutions cannot be saved. The system is corrupted beyond anything anyone here can imagine. Example: search for the TAC article "Why regulators went soft on monopolies." It's an eye opener. That kind of systemic graft cannot be fixed absent a dictator or full system reset; I propose the latter. Without one of those options, those borders will never be shut (republicans are already working on giving Facebook and Google more slave laborers and the democrats more future voters). Texas is maybe one election away from going blue and ending the republican party as a competitive national party forever. That's exactly what happened in California.

    "You are only drawing a new line in the sand which they will cross, illegally."

    That's what the army is for.

    "Separation gives them the coasts. That is where the money is."

    Not all of it. First, the South has the Gulf and some of the East Coast. We can easily import things there and transport them to other red states in the interior. Second, I suspect some of those blue areas on the coasts would be much less able to compete globally on their own. California, for example, as a net migration rate equivalent to a much smaller state like Michigan; a lot of the talent there is imported, so a separate California (especially a separate Southern California) would instantly become much less attractive globally as a destination. Probably, other nations would start gobbling up the talent going there. Third, money for whom? Rich billionaires in those coastal areas fight tooth and nail to keep as much of their own cash as possible. Money for them is not money for me.

    "Separation gives them their own country, which they will destroy like Detroit. Expect subsequent spill-over of their problems into your country."

    We'll be sure to enforce our border this time then.

    "6. Separation implies being whittled down. People who accept being whittled down, will be whittled down."

    No, it doesn't. It's a strategic withdrawal to a stronger position. Armies that overstretch their supply lines pay every time. That's what we're seeing now. We are fighting unwinnable battles over a huge landmass and getting routed because we refuse to retreat to a strategically superior position. We could easily do so and dare the enemy to attack. They won't. Check the polls.

    Imagine making these arguments to colonial Americans who wanted to separate from the British Empire. Obviously, these arguments didn't apply there, so there is a reasonable chance they don't apply here either. One of the many things I hate about the American right is how infested their minds are with magical thinking. They are every bit as bad as the "liberals" they criticize. These people are going to have us fighting until we are totally routed and are left with nothing. Ask Napoleon about that. He was offered generous peace terms. Like a fool, he turned them down and ended up with nothing to show for his efforts. Same here if you listen to these people. The democrats just announced decriminalizing immigration and giving healthcare to literally everyone who crosses that border. There is no going back from that. Face it, if it's come to this point, you've already lost. Stop trying to take the rest of us down with you.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @MBlanc46

    I don’t normally reply to Anons, but thanks for that. Separation is a legitimate position and we need to start hearing both sides if it.

  152. @Paleo Liberal
    Sometimes I think there is a secret conspiracy among California liberals to get Trump re-elected.

    Kap gets an American flag shoe banned.
    Harris runs on a “bring back busing” platform.

    Then I realize these are California liberals we are taking about. The rich California liberals just send their kids to private schools and don’t care what shoes you wear as long as you keep off the “public” beaches.

    Remember I am a liberal and I want a sane Democrat to beat Trump in 2020. Assuming one exists.

    Replies: @Alfa158, @MBlanc46

    You’re probably the last sane Dem. If you’re sane.

  153. @Paleo Liberal
    Here is what bothers me, an old time liberal, the most.

    We liberals are letting right-wingers take away everything.

    First, we allowed the Nazis ownership of the swastika, a holy symbol on several continents for thousands of years.

    Second, lefties allowed the pro-Vietnam War people to appropriate the American flag. This was the opposite of the right wing America First types in WW II who were smart enough to wrap themselves in the flag. (At least most wrapped themselves in the American flag. Some used the Nazi flag).

    Abandoning the US flag was a major error. By 9/11/2001 at least most liberals knew that. Most of us liberals who were in NYC after 9/11 flew the flag. Except Katha Pollit who was still stuck in a different century.

    Then, liberals let the right wingers snatch up the Gasden flag.

    Then Pepe the Frog. Ok, I never cared about that stupid frog in the first place.

    Then the OK sign. My woke lefty kids still play the “circle game”. I’ve tried to warn them about the PC police but all I get are teenage eye rolls.

    Thing is, the right wingers didn’t even want the OK sign. They took it just to laugh at lefties going into conniption fits.

    Now the Betsy Ross flag?
    Seriously. Go over to Slate and read the comments. Some poor lefty wants to fly the 13 star flag on July 4th and is wondering if he is still allowed. I am frigging serious here.

    I am a lefty and I want it all back!

    I am pissed at Nike and Kappy — who already gave away the National Anthem and God Bless America — giving away one more flag.

    F them! I want it all back! All of it!

    Replies: @El Dato, @MBlanc46

    The only way to get it all back is to join us. The Left—the real Left, not the pro-union, social safety net Left of your childhood—hate America and all its symbols, which they will destroy as they destroy what the symbols stand for. If you show any attachment to those symbols, they will come for you. And if they come for you, you might as well really deserve it and be one of us.

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