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Gregory Cochran briefly reviews ancient DNA geneticist David Reich’s Who We Are and How We Got There at West Hunter:
Who We Are: #2 Purity of Essence
Posted on March 29, 2018 by gcochran9Again and again he says that races aren’t ‘pure’ – and he’s right. They’re the product of various mixtures of earlier populations, some such mixtures going back as 50,000 years [and farther] (when some peoples picked up genes from Neanderthals and Denisovans) to more recent examples like the formation of northern Europeans – a mixture of the Mesolithic hunter-gatherers [aka West Hunters], Anatolian farmers [aka, Early European Farmers], and fresh-off-the steppe Yamnaya pastoralists [aka, steppe nomads, Aryans, etc.]. That plus continuing natural selection, that gradually made northern Europeans paler and more lactose tolerant. And turned their brown eyes blue.
10,000 years ago, there was no population, even early risers, that looked like and was genetically very similar to the modern Dutch.
Operationally, how is that different from a situation in which Europeans had been living in the same place for eons? Answer: there isn’t any difference.
If that formation process had happened 100 years ago, there would be differences. …
Is 5,000 years long enough for thorough shuffling? Sure. So what’s the different between having been formed 5000 years ago and formation a million years ago? – there isn’t any.
Why does Reich think that ancient purity, or the lack of it, makes any practical difference? I don’t know. Maybe he thinks it’s emotionally important to other people. But if members of a group only 1200 years old are on average better at chess – they’re better at chess. Degree of antiquity doesn’t matter. if they’re well-mixed, they have a new flavor of their own.
Also, Reich says “Mixture is fundamental to who we are, and we need to embrace it, not deny that it occurred. ” Obviously denying admixture is silly – why would anyone deny reality? Other than every social scientist in the United States, that is. Every facet of reality should be acknowledged (it improves your odds) – but that in no way says that we should necessarily embrace it. I mean, death by malaria played a big role in shaping humanity – should we be Morris-dancing in honor of our Lord Anopheles? …
The arrival of the Yamnaya almost certainly resulted in lots of dead Early European Farmer men (the previously common Y lineages are almost gone today) and the kidnapping and rape of the younger, prettier EEF women. If one of those men on the losing side didn’t quite see the big picture (eventually resulting in you and me) and did his level best to stop ‘mixture’ in its bloody tracks, I for one can understand his point of view. How was he better from the invaders?
“Because we live here.”
This is a reference to what is turning out to have been one of the key intellectual debates of the late 20th Century, between noted savants Charlie Sheen and Patrick Swayze in John Milius’s Red Dawn:
Reich says this, and things like this, apparently because he’s trying to curry favor with current-year liberalism, whose most fervent tenet is that Europe just has to import as many dumb, hostile people as possible. Rather weird – you don’t normally think of endorsing a bloody Völkerwanderung as a way of proving you’re really PC at heart – but it’s year 2018!
Maybe he actually believes this too, but I don’t see a lot of Somalis working in his lab. “Belief” – it’s complicated.
Mallick looks North African. Perhaps the closest thing to a Somali on the list.
12 Whites, 4 Asians, 8 Others
How many of the whites are gentiles? Half? Less?
In Lagos on the Chesapeake, even liberals are race realists. Blacks are completely aware of racial realities. When I travel back to Boston for visits, I don’t see many blacks and I don’t talk to may race realists. Ignorance is bliss.
Reich has a Kenyan guy in his alumni list. He worked on malaria resistance.
Genghis Khan did nothing wrong.
I think the next time I encounter an unmanageable tyke in the nursery I'm going to nickname him Khan and see if his parents are in to horseback riding. Maybe that gene line is what's making some kids little beasties.
Woody Allan once said that he always got the desire to invade Poland when he heard Richard Wagner. Now, he can read David Reich’s “Who We Are and How We Got There” The masterrace of humanitarian ideology needs some lebenraum and there most be found some justifications for that. The German minister, Wolfgang Schäuble said in 2015 that without immigration germans would be inbreed;
“Isolation is what would ruin us – it would lead us into inbreeding.”
he said: “Muslims are an enrichment of our openness and our diversity.”
“Look at the third generation of Turks, especially the women. That is an enormous innovation potential,” he added.
https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/europe/closing-eu-borders-immigration-will-lead-to-incest-german-finance-minister-warns-a7077696.html
“Nasreen Broomandkhoshbacht”
Pretty girl. Needs a new last name.
Broomand - khoshbacht ...... are two Iranian or Azerbaijani names
Just LOVE the diversity of his laboratory!
As Leonard Pitts has pointed out white males have had 1000 years of affirmative action and have used their unfair privilege to make senseless gun laws health care shortages and hate speech. This is why demographic change is NECECARRY
Oh by the way David Hogg is taking scalps and kicking right wing ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQeu5M7FKko
Of course. The “purity” thing is just a stupid strawman constructed in a deliberate effort to mislead.
There should be a YouTube show that’s just Cochran and someone else drinking and talking about stuff like this. Who would the someone else be?
Pretty normal-looking lab, actually. Good contrast to some “American” labs that are near-homogeneously Chinese or Russian or Jewish or Indian, depending on where the boss hails from.
Not many Africans or Muslims in that lab.
Pretty girl. Needs a new last name.
Nasreen seems Bangladeshi
Broomand – khoshbacht …… are two Iranian or Azerbaijani names
Yeah, most of those Ancient DNA Technicians don’t even look that old.
Oh by the way David Hogg is taking scalps and kicking right wing ass
Nececarry — what a fabulous neologism for requiring teachers to be armed! Thanks for helping us write our propaganda, Tiny!
Gregory Cochran writes, “10,000 years ago, there was no population, even early risers, that looked like and was genetically very similar to the modern Dutch.”
Sorry, but would someone please explain the reference to “early risers”? Why would anyone think that a population who wake up early in the morning would be like the modern Dutch? Are the Dutch famous for being early risers? Or is this just a joke that I don’t get?
I like Cochran’s spirited reference to Morris dancing among isolated native populations:
I’ve lived my entire forty years in Indianapolis, Indiana. When the original Red Dawn was playing in theaters people were either white or black descendants of slavery. If you fell outside those categories you were considered exotic and your combined percentage of the population was just a blip on the demographic census.
All of my handles were rejected.
Ron doesn't want you to use more than one handle, at a time at least, unless one is Anonymous. If you want to change handles, do the above and start over.
12 Whites, 4 Asians, 8 Others
How many of the whites are gentiles? Half? Less?
His full name is Swapan Mallick; “Shop” is a nickname. He could be Indian as there are some Indians online with that name.
“Mixture is fundamental to who we are, and we need to embrace it, not deny that it occurred.”
Well, OK. But “mixture” is a euphemism for conquest and rape. So is Reich willing to “embrace” the last 500+ years of European conquest? How about the slave trade? Lots of “mixing” going on there.
"Embrace" is a poor word to use. "Acknowledge" is better I think.
But what's your point, Old Left? Do you think conquest is uniquely European?
How about, we all embrace the elimination from the gene pool of all of those Deplorables by leftists in the twentieth century? Baskets and baskets of them.
Try clearing your history (all, from the beginning of time) and restarting, or use a private window. Or run a disk clean-up utility.
Ron doesn’t want you to use more than one handle, at a time at least, unless one is Anonymous. If you want to change handles, do the above and start over.
12 Whites, 4 Asians, 8 Others
How many of the whites are gentiles? Half? Less?
What are you even talking about
One thing I would be curious to see is how much of this Y chromosome Yamnaya steppe ancestry is present in people of the Caucasus, like the Georgians. This area is very close to where those proto-Indo-European invaders originated. Yet the Georgians do not speak an Indo-European language (nor a Turkic-Altaic one from later invaders). It would seem that their mountainous surroundings provided them with a degree of protection from the Yamnaya invaders that at least allowed them to retain their language. The Basques are probably a similar case.
Of course, what the Deep State running the West is doing is suicidal. Of course, it will, if not stopped, produce a massive amount of bloodshed and cultural chaos that almost certainly will lead to civilizational collapse.
Not merely disruption, but collapse.
Of course, most of the Elites responsible know that their policies could produce mass slaughter, but they are willing to take the risk because they see the gamble as making them and theirs a virtually permanent Elite because those who could oppose them will be made a new type of serf.
It is suicidal insanity on a grand scale, built from the one source: the rebellion against God and Church.
The Jewish part began with choosing anti-Christ. From then on, Jews as a group would be naturally revolutionary, disruptive of, even knowingly acting to utterly pollute and destroy, any white society that allowed them to start amassing wealth and thence power.
The Jewish insanity today is meant to permanently remove any possibility that Christendom can revive. It is insanity because to achieve that goal, Moslems must be used, Moslems by the hundreds of millions. And that means that Jews, to arrange matters so that Europe and its recent areas of mass colonization must be inundated with peoples who are either as defined by being anti-Christ/anti-Church as they are, or else are naturally destructive because of criminality and lack of family stability (which produces even more crime), must trust Moslems to be their pawn to get Whitey without ever turning on their Semitic kin.
And that is insanity on a scale impossible to register. The Moslem view of Jews is that of the heirs of the brother sent into the desert who intends to get even. And recent history means that the next time Moslems can strike at Jews, which requires the vestiges of Christendom to run preponderantly by non-whites, they will strike to exterminate Jews, to do what Hitler is accused to trying and failing to do. And Moslem leaders will be happy to sacrifice a half billion or more Moslems in order to exterminate the Jewish problem as they see it. Only the can their honor as the heirs of Ishmael be restored.
The Jewish part of the suicidal insanity of the West is about Jews shaking their fist at God and demanding that God end this Jesus stuff, because they are the Chosen Race and they will not allow this Christendom to spit in their faces every day.
The white part of the suicidal insanity of the West is about guilt that requires punishment. Deep down, there is guilt over the rebellion against Christendom, but like Judas, the West Elite’s refuse to repent and kneel and ask forgiveness. Instead, like Judas, the West’s Elites choose suicide.
The only way the Jewish part of this horror show could gain traction was for the rebellion against Christ and Church, against Christendom, to succeed, and then to be spread globally by secularized empires desperate to prove that their rebellion against God would make a better world.
Only the blind miss the point: the white Gentile rebellion against Christ, Church, and Christendom is perfectly analogous the Jewish rejection of Jesus as the Christ.
Jews did not sneakily ruin anything. They simply welcomed increasing numbers of white Gentiles into their camp of rebellion against Christ/Church/Christendom. Nothing Jews have done the past 3 centuries to get us to this point could have been accomplished without whites rebelling against Christendom.
And over time Jews came to take primary control of the much larger camp to revel against and replace Christendom.
And yes, the last stage of replacing Christendom is to replace the peoples of Christendom.
Oh by the way David Hogg is taking scalps and kicking right wing ass
Who is Leonard Pitts?
12 Whites, 4 Asians, 8 Others
How many of the whites are gentiles? Half? Less?
Mallick looks Jewish to me. Everyone pictured is clearly either white/Jewish or Asian. Not a single black or Muslim in the group.
Oh by the way David Hogg is taking scalps and kicking right wing ass
Jeff Bezos is on the job. In all of the EU he could not find a single “qualified” white woman. So he hired an immigrant:
Nasreen Broomandkhoshbhact is most likely Iranian. Songul Alparslan Rodenberg is definitely Turkish (did her PhD in Ankara).
Swapan is a Hindu name.
10,000 years ago, there was no population, even early risers, that looked like and was genetically very similar to the modern Dutch.
I don’t enjoy publicly disagreeing with Greg, but on this point he is wrong. The modern European phenotype – pale skin with various hair colors (red, blond, black) and eye colors (blue, green, brown) – was already in place by 10,000 years ago, and probably several thousand years earlier.
It didn’t exist throughout Europe. Western Europeans had a combination of dark skin and blue/green eyes until very late in time. This we know from ancient DNA found at sites in England (11,000 BP), Luxembourg (8,000 BP), and Spain (7,000 BP). The picture is very different, however, if we look at northern and eastern Europe. There, well before the advent of farming, the modern European phenotype was already present. We know this from ancient DNA found at sites in Sweden (8,000 BP), Karelia in Russia (7500-7000 BP), and Samara in Russia (7,500-7000 BP).
Less ancient DNA is available from earlier periods. We know that blond hair was present in mid-Siberia as early as 18,000 years ago. Using indirect methods, two research teams have estimated the appearance of pale skin at 19,000 – 11,000 BP (Beleza et al., 2013) and 19,200– 7,600 BP (Canfield et al., 2014). Most likely, the modern European phenotype came into being fairly rapidly at some point during the last ice age, probably 20,000 to 15,000 years ago.
I agree with Greg’s main point. Evolutionarily speaking, a lot can happen over 10,000 years, or 5,000 years, or even, in some cases, ten generations. Indeed, the human genome has changed much more over the past 10,000 years than over the previous 100,000 years. Saying that “mixture is fundamental to who we are” is as moronic as saying that change is fundamental to who we are. Most change is for the worse, not for the better. Evolution is about selecting those few changes—sometimes one in a million—that are for the better. The same with mixture. We know that some Neanderthal genes introgressed into the modern gene pool, but most of them proved to be deleterious and were thus removed through selection. Evolution isn’t about finding something new and different. It’s about finding something that works better.
References
Anthrogenica. 2015. Surprising pale pigmentation in Mesolithic Motala HGs. March 7 http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?3975-Surprising-Pale-pigmentation-in-Mesolithic-Motala-HGs
Beleza, S., Murias dos Santos, A., McEvoy, B., Alves, I., Martinho, C., Cameron, E., Shriver, M.D., Parra E.J., & Rocha, J. (2013). The timing of pigmentation lightening in Europeans. Molecular Biology and Evolution, 30, 24-35.
Canfield, V.A., Berg, A., Peckins, S., Wentzel, S.M., Ang, K.C., Oppenheimer, S., & Cheng, K.C. (2014). Molecular phylogeography of a human autosomal skin color locus under natural selection, G3, 3, 2059-2067.
Eupedia. 2015. Mesolithic source of pale pigmentation in modern Europe. March 3. https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30957-Mesolithic-source-of-Pale-pigmentation-in-modern-Europe
Mathieson, I., S.A. Roodenberg, C. Posth, A. Szécsényi-Nagy, N. Rohland, S. Mallick, et al. 2018. The Genomic History of Southeastern Europe, Supplementary Information, p. 52, Nature, February 21 online, http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature25778
I’m re-reading The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. There’s a character in the beginning who’s descended from Genghis Khan (oh those silent H’s!) and who keeps having visions of thundering herds of horses and can’t figure out why.
I think the next time I encounter an unmanageable tyke in the nursery I’m going to nickname him Khan and see if his parents are in to horseback riding. Maybe that gene line is what’s making some kids little beasties.
Pretty lazy review from Cochran. Maybe he has a meatier part 3?
Where does the pent up emotions come from in Cochran’s writings. He can’t resist sniping and doing drive -bys but somehow has no time to make his point whatever it is. So, what really is his point in this piece? That everybody is beneath him and not worth engaging in argument?
Should also involve cigar smoking, so they can take a drag and then hold the cigar aside as they blow smoke wistfully for a few seconds while contemplating the next turn of the thread.
Ah, this must be that “natural selection” I keep hearing about.
Now, Greg Cochran doesn’t really know there are no Somalis working in Reich’s lab. That’s just speculation. Could be one pushing a mop, another emptying a wastebasket. Of course, Somali women don’t work too often, and you’d have to be crazy to hire Somali men over Hispanics, so he’s probably correct. Still, he’s just speculating…
Well, OK. But "mixture" is a euphemism for conquest and rape. So is Reich willing to "embrace" the last 500+ years of European conquest? How about the slave trade? Lots of "mixing" going on there.
“the last 500 years of European conquest”
“Embrace” is a poor word to use. “Acknowledge” is better I think.
But what’s your point, Old Left? Do you think conquest is uniquely European?
How about, we all embrace the elimination from the gene pool of all of those Deplorables by leftists in the twentieth century? Baskets and baskets of them.
Well, if even the seemingly purest races are already mixed, then they can take pride in being mixed.
No need to mix them since they are mixed already.
“Isolation is what would ruin us – it would lead us into inbreeding.”
he said: “Muslims are an enrichment of our openness and our diversity.”
“Look at the third generation of Turks, especially the women. That is an enormous innovation potential,” he added.
https://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/europe/closing-eu-borders-immigration-will-lead-to-incest-german-finance-minister-warns-a7077696.html
Then why are Jewish marital laws so strict that they have led to inbreeding, exaggerating characteristics such as Tay-Sachs?
If a new breed of dog is created by mixing German Sheps and Doberman and another breed of dog is created by mixing poodles and terriers, both neo-mixed breeds will be mixed… but still different from each other.
Mixing just creates new uniqueness.
Eurasians in Central Asia are different from Arabo-Africans of Morocco.
Pretty girl. Needs a new last name.
O’Leary?
Pretty girl. Needs a new last name.
I dunno. Not sure if Nasreen Newrouter would be an improvement. 😉
"Embrace" is a poor word to use. "Acknowledge" is better I think.
But what's your point, Old Left? Do you think conquest is uniquely European?
How about, we all embrace the elimination from the gene pool of all of those Deplorables by leftists in the twentieth century? Baskets and baskets of them.
I was using Reich’s words to suggest that Reich may not understand the implications of what he’s saying.
In this age of trans-identification, do we need to be mixed to be mixed?
If Liz Warren is a Squaw because she says so, anyone can identify as anyone.
12 Whites, 4 Asians, 8 Others
How many of the whites are gentiles? Half? Less?
So it looks like there are 4 East Asians, 2 South Asians, and a bunch of white people.
Well, there are about 80 million Germans on this planet (not counting Austrians and German-Swiss), so that should be enough to prevent any significant inbreeding problems from arising among the Germans. How many Jews are there in the world today?
I don’t know, but a lot of them are marrying out anyhow.
Tiny Duck’s imaginary friend – it is what you do when no one likes you. You pretend. And Tiny Duck is a world-class pretender.
Remind us again. What kind of name is “Ali Choudhury”?
First of all, not a sentence, Cochran. Yeah, that last wasn’t either, but I don’t fancy myself a geneticist (who should have evolved toward complete sentences by now).
OK, just because nobody is out in front of me on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi4BATZcMmgDiaz has a broad face and nose, platypus-like featuresBlonde hair blue eyes and delicate features all become increasingly common as you retrace the rolling conquest of the Yamnaya by going farther into northern Europe. For generation after generationAnd then the descendants of that generation moved on, repeated the process and so on.Direct evidence for positive selection of skin, hair, and eye pigmentation in Europeans during the last 5,000 y
Muslim from the Indian sub-continent.
Pretty girl. Needs a new last name.
Noreen Broomcloset?
Isn’t this “purity” Reich talks about essentially in-breeding?
Nick Patterson and Iñigo Olalde give us a grand total of one or two white gentile men in the group.
OK, just because nobody is out in front of me on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udEZ_JjNz4E
https://www.buzzfeed.com/lorynbrantz/blue-eyed-celebs-with-brown-eyes-are-almost-unreco?utm_term=.ebb1Q7BAw#.nq99Pz0ON
Diaz has a broad face and nose, platypus-like features
Blonde hair blue eyes and delicate features all become increasingly common as you retrace the rolling conquest of the Yamnaya by going farther into northern Europe. For generation after generation
And then the descendants of that generation moved on, repeated the process and so on.
Direct evidence for positive selection of skin, hair, and eye pigmentation in Europeans during the last 5,000 y
I kind of like his curmudgeonly style. Keeps things from being boring. I think the attempted professionalization of many fields (including through the overemphasis on math, models, and high fallutin jargon) has driven away the average guy who would be interested in the field. This is why explainers have become such an important intermediary and this is why the leftists try all they can to capture the role of explainers.