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As Rodney King asked in 1992, “Can we all get along?” Aren’t there enough cishet white men to hate in this world to keep the Coalition of the Fringes from tearing itself apart?

Apparently not. The SJW world is today clawing at itself over the burning issue of steatopygia.

From the New York Times:

Nicki Minaj: Black Women ‘Rarely Rewarded’ for Pop Culture Contributions
By KATIE ROGERS JULY 22, 2015

The rapper Nicki Minaj reacted on Tuesday to not being nominated for MTV’s coveted Video of the Year award by saying that the cultural contributions of black women are often overlooked, raising the specter of racism in the music industry, and setting off a Twitter debate that drew thousands of people — including Taylor Swift. …

[Minaj’s] jungled-themed “Anaconda” video featured curvy women dancing and gyrating in a series of flesh-baring outfits. The video, which samples heavily from Sir Mix-a-Lot’s “Baby Got Back” put women front-and-center rather than behind a male rapper. It was an instant hit online.

The single’s cover art, which featured Ms. Minaj crouching in a thong, was also a hit, and turned the image into a commodity.

And yet Minaj’s “Anaconda” wasn’t nominated, while Taylor Swift’s “Bad Blood” was.

The video for Ms. Swift’s “Bad Blood,” a collaboration with the rapper Kendrick Lamar, features the actresses Lena Dunham, Mariska Hargitay and Selena Gomez. It also showcases a bevy of white models whose bodies are considered the standard for beauty in the fashion and lingerie industry: Karlie Kloss, Lily Aldridge, Martha Hunt and Gigi Hadid. The video features a lot less twerking and only slightly more clothing than “Anaconda.” …

The skinny blonde Taylor Swift jumped in to try to blame men for hogging all the nominations, but that ploy went over about as well with the Twitter mob as prosecutor Marcia Clark’s decision to pack the O.J. jury with black women.

The exchange was quickly seen by the media as a feud, and fans of Ms. Minaj got involved to comment on the broader issue of race in music and to critique Ms. Swift’s response as being indicative of a brand of feminism dominated by white women.

By the way, both Miss Minaj and Miss Swift are savvy businesswomen, so this isn’t morons being moronic; this is clever people following out the dominant logic of the age. Which is, of course, moronic.

Lex at WWTDD explained:

If you start with the premise that the MTV Video Music Awards are as prestigious as medals handed to the fat kid who couldn’t finish the hundred, all arguments over who or who should not be nominated or awarded are necessarily pointless and inane. Nicki Minaj was nominated for two VMAs this year, but not for the Music Video of the Year Award for some music video somebody not her made. She took her anger out on Twitter, the central warehouse for misdirected rage since 2009. She seemed to indicate that girls with fat asses were being excluded. To which Taylor Swift who was nominated and has an ass like your grandma in summer khakis fired back something stupid about girl power. Minaj clarified that her snub was an indication of blacks being kept down in popular music in 2015. I could spend three seconds digging up stats to prove otherwise, but when in the midst of a dummy fight, don’t be the tool who produces facts.

Meanwhile, Marginal Revolution calls attention to Taylor Swift also being in trouble with the Chinese.

It’s like a J.P. Rushton fever dream.

 
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  1. At least black and white women can agree on liking Black Men.

    This stuff will not happen once the demographics change and everyone is somewhat African

    • Replies: @J1234

    At least black and white women can agree on liking Black Men.
     
    Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
    , @Erik Sieven
    @ Join
    yes I think 21. century public life (and private life for some) in western countries will be much influenced by the competition between westafrican women and white women for westafrican man. On the other side this competition might get less ferocious over the time as the share of the westafrican population in western countries will steadily rise and black men are luckily quite generous when it comes to giving their attention to several women at the same time.
    , @dumpstersquirrel
    "At least all men on Earth can agree on liking white women."

    There, fixed that for you.
  2. When she’s blond, Nikki Minaj seems to be a black woman pretending to be a white woman who’s pretending to be a black woman.

  3. Nikki Minaj did a great job as a judge on American Idol. Her comments to the contestants were generally intelligent, and she was very entertaining.

    I wonder if there is some secret explanation for why she did not return for a second season. Anyway, she left before she became tiresome.

    I have seen her perform as a singer/dancer on TV only a very few times. My impression is that she is OK. I simply am not a fan of her genre.

    Taylor Swift will go down in history as a great entertainer. Her career will develop for decades more.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Right, Minaj was one of the more intelligent-sounding "American Idol" judges ever.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Taylor Swift will go down in history as a great entertainer."

    That's absurd. Its great you apparently enjoy her music (or, perhaps more likely, simply find her attractive, and have conflated that feeling with an appreciation for her simple little ditties), but objectively, she's no more memorable than, say, Debbie Gibson. Taylor Swift is music that young people tell their parents & grandparents that they enjoy, because their parents & grandparents (who are doubtless responsible for most of Ms. Swift's income stream), have simply never heard of the bands that young people today actually enjoy.
  4. If the nominally “prestigious” press and media outlets simply ignored and didn’t cover low brow pop culture, most people would never know or care about these stupid stories. Why do they cover this stuff when the type of people who listen to this sort of crap don’t even read?

  5. Maybe Nicki Minaj is up to something. Lack of appreciation for steatopygia could be why the MTV awards overlooked this Mastadon video:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    There's definitely been an increasing popularity and popularization of large butts recently. The idea that large butts are attractive and desirable has become more common and prominent in the mainstream media and culture and among whites and other non-blacks. More and more white and other non-black women today are trying to adopt the large butt look when that was largely unthinkable just 10, 15 years ago, when women were generally concerned about their butts being too big and sought slimmer figures. This seems to be tied to the ongoing Africanization of culture.

    To tie this with the Coalition of the Fringes circular firing squad theme, Vogue Magazine published an article last year noting and hailing this large butt trend, which prompted outrage from some leftists who said that Vogue failed to acknowledge and credit black women for the large butt trend or something.

    "Actually, Vogue, The Era Of The Big Booty Began A Long Ass Time Ago"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/11/middlebrow-vogue-booties_n_5803704.html
  6. BTW I checked out the Minaj video.It is,like Taylor Swifts work,worthless. About as sexy as watching Caitlyn Jenner! I went over and pulled up Al Stewarts “Year of the Cat” Great song!

  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Tiananmen Square is definitely politically sensitive, but the “massacre” there is a bit of a myth:

    “Wikileaks: no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square, cables claim”

    “Secret cables from the United States embassy in Beijing have shown there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square when China put down student pro-democracy demonstrations 22 years ago.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

    • Replies: @Anon
    Hundreds of people were massacred as army units attempted to crush the protests so the discussion of whether these deaths occurred place exactly in Tiananmen Square or in the surrounding area is just a red herring.
  8. @Mike Sylwester
    Nikki Minaj did a great job as a judge on American Idol. Her comments to the contestants were generally intelligent, and she was very entertaining.

    I wonder if there is some secret explanation for why she did not return for a second season. Anyway, she left before she became tiresome.

    I have seen her perform as a singer/dancer on TV only a very few times. My impression is that she is OK. I simply am not a fan of her genre.

    Taylor Swift will go down in history as a great entertainer. Her career will develop for decades more.

    Right, Minaj was one of the more intelligent-sounding “American Idol” judges ever.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Isn't that like being one of the prettier girls on the American soccer team?
    , @Jean Cocteausten
    The interesting thing was watching her badly concealing her basically intelligent nature with a sort of loopy, Gracie Allen act.
    , @gbloco
    Steve -- I'm shocked -- you really watched American Idol?!!!!
  9. @Anonymous
    Tiananmen Square is definitely politically sensitive, but the "massacre" there is a bit of a myth:

    "Wikileaks: no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square, cables claim"

    "Secret cables from the United States embassy in Beijing have shown there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square when China put down student pro-democracy demonstrations 22 years ago."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html

    Hundreds of people were massacred as army units attempted to crush the protests so the discussion of whether these deaths occurred place exactly in Tiananmen Square or in the surrounding area is just a red herring.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    It's not a red herring. The circumstances of the fatalities during the protests do matter. They seem to have differed from the popular characterization of the event.

    http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php

    Over the last decade, many American reporters and editors have accepted a mythical version of that warm, bloody night. They repeated it often before and during Clinton’s trip. On the day the president arrived in Beijing, a Baltimore Sun headline (June 27, page 1A) referred to “Tiananmen, where Chinese students died.” A USA Today article (June 26, page 7A) called Tiananmen the place “where pro-democracy demonstrators were gunned down.” The Wall Street Journal (June 26, page A10) described “the Tiananmen Square massacre” where armed troops ordered to clear demonstrators from the square killed “hundreds or more.” The New York Post (June 25, page 22) said the square was “the site of the student slaughter.”

    The problem is this: as far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square.

    A few people may have been killed by random shooting on streets near the square, but all verified eyewitness accounts say that the students who remained in the square when troops arrived were allowed to leave peacefully. Hundreds of people, most of them workers and passersby, did die that night, but in a different place and under different circumstances.

    The Chinese government estimates more than 300 fatalities. Western estimates are somewhat higher. Many victims were shot by soldiers on stretches of Changan Jie, the Avenue of Eternal Peace, about a mile west of the square, and in scattered confrontations in other parts of the city, where, it should be added, a few soldiers were beaten or burned to death by angry workers.

    The resilient tale of an early morning Tiananmen massacre stems from several false eyewitness accounts in the confused hours and days after the crackdown. Human rights experts George Black and Robin Munro, both outspoken critics of the Chinese government, trace many of the rumor’s roots in their 1993 book, Black Hands of Beijing: Lives of Defiance in China’s Democracy Movement. Probably the most widely disseminated account appeared first in the Hong Kong press: a Qinghua University student described machine guns mowing down students in front of the Monument to the People’s Heroes in the middle of the square. The New York Times gave this version prominent display on June 12, just a week after the event, but no evidence was ever found to confirm the account or verify the existence of the alleged witness. Times reporter Nicholas Kristof challenged the report the next day, in an article that ran on the bottom of an inside page; the myth lived on. Student leader Wu’er Kaixi said he had seen 200 students cut down by gunfire, but it was later proven that he left the square several hours before the events he described allegedly occurred.

    Most of the hundreds of foreign journalists that night, including me, were in other parts of the city or were removed from the square so that they could not witness the final chapter of the student story. Those who tried to remain close filed dramatic accounts that, in some cases, buttressed the myth of a student massacre.
     
  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    Maybe Nicki Minaj is up to something. Lack of appreciation for steatopygia could be why the MTV awards overlooked this Mastadon video:

    https://youtu.be/jWFWazj7Ud8

    There’s definitely been an increasing popularity and popularization of large butts recently. The idea that large butts are attractive and desirable has become more common and prominent in the mainstream media and culture and among whites and other non-blacks. More and more white and other non-black women today are trying to adopt the large butt look when that was largely unthinkable just 10, 15 years ago, when women were generally concerned about their butts being too big and sought slimmer figures. This seems to be tied to the ongoing Africanization of culture.

    To tie this with the Coalition of the Fringes circular firing squad theme, Vogue Magazine published an article last year noting and hailing this large butt trend, which prompted outrage from some leftists who said that Vogue failed to acknowledge and credit black women for the large butt trend or something.

    “Actually, Vogue, The Era Of The Big Booty Began A Long Ass Time Ago”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/11/middlebrow-vogue-booties_n_5803704.html

    • Replies: @Cryptogenic
    Why are fat, oleaginous black buttocks celebrated but the portrayal of skinny white bodies "sends a dangerous message"?

    Rhetorical question, natch.
    , @no name
    "Baby got back", the Sir Mix A Lot song that Minaj's song sampled, came out in 1992 so it's hardly a new fad.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    It may have something to do with Starting Strength popularizing below-parallel squats, which make your thighs and buttocks bigger. After a year of doing the program, I couldn't get swim trunks I'd bought the previous summer on.
  11. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I quit listening to pop music forever back in the early 80s and migrated over to punk and indie rock, both of which were a hell of a lot more interesting than mainstream music. Nowadays, every time some twit questions my tastes, I just say to them, “Popular music is supposed to offer me WHAT, now?”

    Swift’s video is silly. Minaj’s is pure dioxin.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "I quit listening to pop music forever back in the early 80s and migrated over to punk and indie rock, both of which were a hell of a lot more interesting than mainstream music."

    Punk is gunk. Ugly music.

    I want Stevie Nicks back.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojGKSgug_FM
  12. So, I looked at the Nikki Minaj video and saw some great female asses. But then I spotted the problem. It was the bananas! You are never supposed to associate negros with bananas! Nikki Minaj thus committed a mortal sin.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome


    You are never supposed to associate negros with bananas! Nikki Minaj thus committed a mortal sin

     

    They outdid that.

    Stupid Hoe
  13. @Steve Sailer
    Right, Minaj was one of the more intelligent-sounding "American Idol" judges ever.

    Isn’t that like being one of the prettier girls on the American soccer team?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Most of those girls are hot as hades
  14. Is the black lady at all aware that millions of men – of many races – find buttocks like hers utterly repulsive? I find her photo only marginally more appealing than me displaying my beer belly.

    As to Steve’s reference to more conflict in La La land: huh? These conflicts are mostly manufactured. They have little real life relevance. Taylor Swift strikes me as utterly shallow and cultureless.

    • Replies: @Bayonet
    To be fair, millions of men, of many races- find a big ass pretty sexy. I'm a 180 proof Anglo-Celtic retrograde redneck and I've always been a big fan of large asses. I don't think pop culture has a lot to do with the boner test.

    I agree that these cat fights are manufactured, though, as is the majority of Celebrity drama. One thing reality TV has shown those who can see is that EVERYTHING coming out of Hollywood is scripted.
  15. @Mike Sylwester
    Nikki Minaj did a great job as a judge on American Idol. Her comments to the contestants were generally intelligent, and she was very entertaining.

    I wonder if there is some secret explanation for why she did not return for a second season. Anyway, she left before she became tiresome.

    I have seen her perform as a singer/dancer on TV only a very few times. My impression is that she is OK. I simply am not a fan of her genre.

    Taylor Swift will go down in history as a great entertainer. Her career will develop for decades more.

    “Taylor Swift will go down in history as a great entertainer.”

    That’s absurd. Its great you apparently enjoy her music (or, perhaps more likely, simply find her attractive, and have conflated that feeling with an appreciation for her simple little ditties), but objectively, she’s no more memorable than, say, Debbie Gibson. Taylor Swift is music that young people tell their parents & grandparents that they enjoy, because their parents & grandparents (who are doubtless responsible for most of Ms. Swift’s income stream), have simply never heard of the bands that young people today actually enjoy.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Taylor just finished 2 sold out shows here (Chicago,o'course)at SOLDIER FIELD! The girl is huge.I think parents are happy their pre-teen girls like a GIRL,as opposed to a more dubious male pop idol."Mommy can we go see Lil Wayne?"
    , @Sam Haysom
    Profoundly dislike Taylor Swift but this simply isn't true. Swift is probally on the cusp of aging out of dominating the teen market, but at this time she undoubtedly appeals mostly to young people. The idea that middle aged people make up her fan base is ludicrous and completely out of touch for a comment accusing others of being out of touch.
    , @James Kabala
    Young people no longer enjoy "bands." Danny and the Juniors are on the brink of being proved wrong - rock and roll is in critical condition.
    , @Karl
    >>> Its great you apparently enjoy her music


    Her music is not mostly due to her being alive. It is mostly due to the creativity and diligence of the the menfolk who designed, implemented, and deployed Pro Tools and other such audio-engineeering fix-it-up tools.
  16. @Anonymous
    At least black and white women can agree on liking Black Men.


    This stuff will not happen once the demographics change and everyone is somewhat African

    At least black and white women can agree on liking Black Men.

    Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

    • Replies: @anon
    It's probably the same guy.
    , @Eustace Tilley (not)


    From observing women in daily life as well as on the media. White women (who, like all women, are utter conformists, and almost always go with the majority in the henhouse) are being fed The Beautiful Black Male relentlessly, and they are swooning for it. Yea, open thine eyes; then shalt thou see.

    You need to read Chateau Heartiste every day. Then you will understand women. (The fact that black athletes slap their women around in NFL mini-scandal after NFL mini-scandal only adds to their appeal to white women. White women secretly long to be slapped around and called "bitch" and "ho"; to experience the "forbidden" masochistic pleasures of the black girl. Why should her chok'lit sistahs have all the fun?).

  17. @Steve Sailer
    Right, Minaj was one of the more intelligent-sounding "American Idol" judges ever.

    The interesting thing was watching her badly concealing her basically intelligent nature with a sort of loopy, Gracie Allen act.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The interesting thing was watching [Minaj] badly concealing her basically intelligent nature with a sort of loopy, Gracie Allen act.
     
    Carol Wayne made an art of this on the Tonight Show.
    , @Kate Minter
    Every smart girl knows there are times when it's stupid to be smart and smart to be stupid :)
  18. This is a function of music being gay. And female. But I repeat myself.

    Though I am reminded of the time that Tom Petty, Mick Jagger, Roy Orbison, and Paul McCartney got into a catfight over who had the best ass. Oh wait that never happened.

    Men when men dominated music: passing out drunk on stage, smashing guitars, smashing hotel rooms, dying of alcohol poisoning, smashing groupies, etc. But most acts just ignored rivals, or Brian Wilson wise, tried to out do them musically. Punk rockers loathed the corporate rock of YES or ELO or Jefferson Starship, a generational thing, but their deal was not a catfight but DIY genre response emphasizing raw emotionalism over technical proficiency but corporate sponsored emptiness.

    Women dominating music now: an endless catfight over whose ass is bigger or smaller, and which is better: big or small.

    Honestly, can you imagine say Diana Ross, or Alison Moyet, or Marvin Gaye shaking their ass onstage? Or Tom Petty and Roy Orbison hanging around fashion models and fashion designers? Its not music its just social positioning in tribal warfare fed by diversity.

    A non-diverse society like Old America or current Japan could have real musical differences and styles. New Diverse America has nothing but tribe-on-tribe conflict run by the women’s differences and grudges.

  19. I clicked on the links. After 4-5 seconds on each, and seeing how many have watched these vids, I now hate my own species (even more)

  20. Cryptogenic [AKA "Mr. Zeepie"] says:

    The contemporary interest in shelf-ass has been disastrous. I see a lot of white girls flaunting “booties” that would have sent them into fits of suicidal ideation in the recent past. Kind of makes me nostalgic for heroin chic. I really prefer razor sharp scapulae and ribs you could wash clothes on to American white Khoikhoi yearning for brothers who will appreciate they thickness.

  21. I don’t like big butts and I cannot lie.

  22. josh says:

    I went and watched 30 seconds or so of each video. Both are deserving of far more than the millions of dollars that they have garnered from their work. These women deserve to be singled out and given awards for their great artistic achievement. The real problem here is that there simply are not enough awards. Can we also give an award to the women who made that video
    linked to last week where she tortured and murdered a white lady?

    • Replies: @Bob Smith of Suburbia
    Awards are nice and SHINY. Blacks love shiny things.
  23. @Anonymous
    There's definitely been an increasing popularity and popularization of large butts recently. The idea that large butts are attractive and desirable has become more common and prominent in the mainstream media and culture and among whites and other non-blacks. More and more white and other non-black women today are trying to adopt the large butt look when that was largely unthinkable just 10, 15 years ago, when women were generally concerned about their butts being too big and sought slimmer figures. This seems to be tied to the ongoing Africanization of culture.

    To tie this with the Coalition of the Fringes circular firing squad theme, Vogue Magazine published an article last year noting and hailing this large butt trend, which prompted outrage from some leftists who said that Vogue failed to acknowledge and credit black women for the large butt trend or something.

    "Actually, Vogue, The Era Of The Big Booty Began A Long Ass Time Ago"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/11/middlebrow-vogue-booties_n_5803704.html

    Why are fat, oleaginous black buttocks celebrated but the portrayal of skinny white bodies “sends a dangerous message”?

    Rhetorical question, natch.

  24. @Father O'Hara
    Isn't that like being one of the prettier girls on the American soccer team?

    Most of those girls are hot as hades

  25. Nicky should try Porn Video Awards.

  26. Steatopygia? You live in Southern California and the only thing you can find to do with your time is watch the National Spelling Bee on ESPN??

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    Steatopygia? You live in Southern California and the only thing you can find to do with your time is watch the National Spelling Bee on ESPN??
     
    It beats gynecomastia.

    What do you call a monk with gynecomastia?

    A praying mantits.
  27. “It also showcases a bevy of white models whose bodies are considered the standard for beauty in the fashion and lingerie industry”

    It’s not the body. It’s the face.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Tell that to the most successful model, monetarily, in history. A lot of people don't find Gisele all that attractive, but she's made a Hell of a pile of coin.
  28. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “The single’s cover art, which featured Ms. Minaj crouching in a thong, was also a hit, and turned the image into a commodity.”

    Wow, how times have changed.

    The remark is meant as a compliment, i.e. Minaj has become a hot item of consumer culture.

    There was a time when the intellectual left and feminism would have found the idea of a woman, especially a non-white one, being turned into a ‘commodity’ an insult and degradation.

    Now, it be da thing.

    Shoooo, I be a hot commodity!!!

  29. “It also showcases a bevy of white models whose bodies are considered the standard for beauty in the fashion and lingerie industry: Karlie Kloss, Lily Aldridge, Martha Hunt and Gigi Hadid.”

    Upon reading the “white models” part I scanned the names to look for “ethnic” looking names. Lo and behold we have Gigi Hadid, and Hadid seems to be an Arab name or at least Semetic. I googled her, literally thinking to myself “I cannot believe I am doing this.” But living in this society makes us all far more race-obsessed than is healthy.

    As I suspected, Ms. Hadid is indeed half Iraqi. Now personally, I consider her to be “white.” Even her dad too, for that matter (I have a broader definition of “white” than either the average WN or the average SJW, not that those groups are significantly different). I bring all this up because I find it interesting that the NYT would consider her white. The “Flight from White” has been well documented by Steve and probably others too. Of course George Zimmerman, a man with significantly less claim to whiteness than Ms. Hadid, was, for reasons of political expediency, broadly considered by the mainstream intelligentsia to be unequivocally white. The alternative would have been a “POC” killing a “POC.” Boring and incongruent with the narrative.

    So in this context the JYT calls Ms. Hadid white because it helps them bash whites. If that end was better suited by portraying her as a “POC”, then that’s what they would have done.

  30. “Meanwhile, Marginal Revolution calls attention to Taylor Swift also being in trouble with the Chinese.”

    https://aefae.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/taylor-swift-is-asian-what/

    Why Chinese so upset? Some say she got chinese eyes.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Why Chinese so upset? Some say she got chinese eyes.

     

    Must be the overbite. They think she's making fun of them, like Jerry Lewis did.
  31. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Hundreds of people were massacred as army units attempted to crush the protests so the discussion of whether these deaths occurred place exactly in Tiananmen Square or in the surrounding area is just a red herring.

    It’s not a red herring. The circumstances of the fatalities during the protests do matter. They seem to have differed from the popular characterization of the event.

    http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/the_myth_of_tiananmen.php

    Over the last decade, many American reporters and editors have accepted a mythical version of that warm, bloody night. They repeated it often before and during Clinton’s trip. On the day the president arrived in Beijing, a Baltimore Sun headline (June 27, page 1A) referred to “Tiananmen, where Chinese students died.” A USA Today article (June 26, page 7A) called Tiananmen the place “where pro-democracy demonstrators were gunned down.” The Wall Street Journal (June 26, page A10) described “the Tiananmen Square massacre” where armed troops ordered to clear demonstrators from the square killed “hundreds or more.” The New York Post (June 25, page 22) said the square was “the site of the student slaughter.”

    The problem is this: as far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square.

    A few people may have been killed by random shooting on streets near the square, but all verified eyewitness accounts say that the students who remained in the square when troops arrived were allowed to leave peacefully. Hundreds of people, most of them workers and passersby, did die that night, but in a different place and under different circumstances.

    The Chinese government estimates more than 300 fatalities. Western estimates are somewhat higher. Many victims were shot by soldiers on stretches of Changan Jie, the Avenue of Eternal Peace, about a mile west of the square, and in scattered confrontations in other parts of the city, where, it should be added, a few soldiers were beaten or burned to death by angry workers.

    The resilient tale of an early morning Tiananmen massacre stems from several false eyewitness accounts in the confused hours and days after the crackdown. Human rights experts George Black and Robin Munro, both outspoken critics of the Chinese government, trace many of the rumor’s roots in their 1993 book, Black Hands of Beijing: Lives of Defiance in China’s Democracy Movement. Probably the most widely disseminated account appeared first in the Hong Kong press: a Qinghua University student described machine guns mowing down students in front of the Monument to the People’s Heroes in the middle of the square. The New York Times gave this version prominent display on June 12, just a week after the event, but no evidence was ever found to confirm the account or verify the existence of the alleged witness. Times reporter Nicholas Kristof challenged the report the next day, in an article that ran on the bottom of an inside page; the myth lived on. Student leader Wu’er Kaixi said he had seen 200 students cut down by gunfire, but it was later proven that he left the square several hours before the events he described allegedly occurred.

    Most of the hundreds of foreign journalists that night, including me, were in other parts of the city or were removed from the square so that they could not witness the final chapter of the student story. Those who tried to remain close filed dramatic accounts that, in some cases, buttressed the myth of a student massacre.

  32. Admit it, Steve. You learned this word from Theodore Dalrymple. Cause that’s where I learned it about a year ago.

    The greatest living essayist.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Carleton Coon in the 1990s.
  33. I thought “callyphygian” was the correct term for a woman with a giant ass.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    That's "callipygian", which means "beautiful butt" in Greek, as opposed to "steatopygian" which means "fat butt" in Greek.

    The way to remember this is is "stea-" is the Greek root for "fat", and "calli-" is the Greek root for beautiful. There aren't a lot of words with "stea-" in them, but "calli-" words is a bit more common, calligraphy, calliope, callisthenics.

    Just call it "shelf butt". Everyone will know what you mean.
  34. BobX [AKA "Bob who~likes many shapes"] says:

    Which is most callipygian is all in the eye of the beholder.

    TayBum

    http://www.miketrampe.com/past-to-present-nicki-minajs-ass-through-the-years/

  35. I remember when Miley Cyrus made “twerking” a household word a couple years ago at the VMA and there was outrage that there wasn’t enough recognition that twerking had been invented by black people. Check: steam engine, twerking, electric light, twerking ….. etc. take your pick.

    The entire episode smacks of racial elitism, body shaming, and something else really bad. Besides, I thought Malcolm Gladwell determined that if someone spends 10,000 hours trying to build up a big butt, they can; also, that the Big Butt Quotient (BBQ) is not racially but culturally determined.

    Obviously, a shapely backside can be sexually alluring, that’s what we are programmed for, after all, but there are limits, and I wouldn’t have to shell out for the industrial strength toilet seat that it would require.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    Blacks invented twerking and the peanut. You have to give them credit for both....
  36. @antipater_1
    So, I looked at the Nikki Minaj video and saw some great female asses. But then I spotted the problem. It was the bananas! You are never supposed to associate negros with bananas! Nikki Minaj thus committed a mortal sin.

    You are never supposed to associate negros with bananas! Nikki Minaj thus committed a mortal sin

    They outdid that.

    Stupid Hoe

  37. Oh, come on guy, full female buttocks and tits (also known as “curves”) are sexually attractive to the majority of men and I understand that in places like Brazil women actually take steroids to increase their buttock size or have implants, and of course there are also padded panties available to round out underdeveloped buttocks. However huge non-shapely butts appended to lard-asses are just huge butts and not a lot of fun, though there are some men who have a fetish for them and fall for the cracks, or through the cracks.

    On the converse side, skinny-ass titless women tend to lack attractiveness or at best have a kind of waifish quality like the Duchess of Cornwall or whatever her name is, but nobody really wastes much time thinking about bedding them.

    I would say that the steatopygic Kimberly Kardashian is, or was once, attractive in a cartoonish way in spite of her oversize butt rather than because of it, although he rface is now so mutilated by her family tradition of plastic surgery that she is starting to look like the Wife of Frankenstein.

    The tabloid media rejoices in huge butts in a kind of Beavis and Buttheaded way, but this is not to be taken seriously as an indication of what real men find sexually attractive.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    According to this documentary, even in Brazil, which is associated with large butts, the mainstream popularity of big butts is a recent trend:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYA9twQXBq8
    , @White Guy In Japan
    Padded panties and bras are rather common here in Japan. Nice to look at, but then I feel tricked later in the evening.
  38. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Taylor Swift will go down in history as a great entertainer."

    That's absurd. Its great you apparently enjoy her music (or, perhaps more likely, simply find her attractive, and have conflated that feeling with an appreciation for her simple little ditties), but objectively, she's no more memorable than, say, Debbie Gibson. Taylor Swift is music that young people tell their parents & grandparents that they enjoy, because their parents & grandparents (who are doubtless responsible for most of Ms. Swift's income stream), have simply never heard of the bands that young people today actually enjoy.

    Taylor just finished 2 sold out shows here (Chicago,o’course)at SOLDIER FIELD! The girl is huge.I think parents are happy their pre-teen girls like a GIRL,as opposed to a more dubious male pop idol.”Mommy can we go see Lil Wayne?”

    • Replies: @no name
    She also doesn't tell 12 year old girls to make out with each other like Katy Perry and Demi Lovato, so that's something. Not saying she's a saint but she is more wholesome that most pop stars these days.
  39. • Replies: @Anonymous
    Steve should review and live blog the entire series. It could be a special series for The Unz Review.
  40. I would love to have a blog listed on the neoreaction aggregators but the quality of the writers humbles me and they continuously display to me why those bloggers are some of the best in the internet.

    Today’s example comes from EvolutionX.

    White Women’s Tears
    https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/white-womens-tears/

    This spat between white women and black women on twitter started with the BlackLivesMatter deal at the campaign event for Bernie Sanders and O’malley. With White women bitching about the divisive behavior and that if it weren’t for White Feminists then Black women wouldn’t have the rights they have. And blacks saying the Dems have to earn their vote and not take them for granted, like Malcolm X told them to do. So then all of this with the MTV stuff.

    So then EvolutionX creatively shows why White Women Cry and why Black Women Don’t, because Neoteny.

    White women had white men and they lived in the north where the winters were hard. And the men died at a higher rate than women due to the weather and hunting. So there was a surplus of women. So Neoteny, the instinct to select the younger looking woman for fecundity. And also the younger acting woman. So white women evolved to use tears and the women that used tears tended to survive and have more offspring. Black women had black men, R selected mating, low male investment, a climate where the woman could forage or whatever to feed children. So no Neoteny, actually none, black women have the least neoteny of any women on the planet. And that is why nobody wants them relative to every other race.

    And black women have no tolerance for white women tears. And they hate them, especially ones that look like Taylor Swift.

    I love all this because of not only the “circular firing squad”. This, the BlackLivesMatter thing, and there was another essay published about some DC tank girl who got roughed up on the Blue Line by three black girls, all say to white women, “Look, girls, your natural ally, when all is said and done, the people that have and will protect you, insure your security and welfare, and if necessary fight for you, just like we have for tens of thousands of years,….

    is White Men.

    And no one else will.

    • Replies: @Nathan Wartooth

    And blacks saying the Dems have to earn their vote and not take them for granted, like Malcolm X told them to do.
     
    What a joke. Their votes only matter for primaries and local elections. For the national elections, the majority of them are in red states, so their votes don't matter. They will also vote loyally Democrat, no matter who is running.

    I'm not sure why the Democrats pander to them at all.
    , @njguy73
    And who, at 17, first got noticed with a song about teardrops on a guitar?...
  41. Taylor Swift abandoned her country music roots because her fan base was way too White and the Vibrants don’t care for country music. So she started to collaborate with Black rappers. But embracing Vibrant Diversity has only been limited to her music and has not extended to her personal dating life. Her dating history is as White as The Backstreet Boys.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Taylor Swift abandoned her country music roots because her fan base was way too White and the Vibrants don’t care for country music. So she started to collaborate with Black rappers.
     
    Same thing with the Beatles, right? When they couldn't find anyone interested in their rock music, they went to India to try to win over the subcontinental market and make some real money.
  42. Taylor swift does decent music, but screw her. She hops from man to man and she’s feminist. She’s an upper middle class white girl which means she’s a much more sinister influence on young white women. Instead of defending whites she targets men.

  43. @stillCARealist
    Admit it, Steve. You learned this word from Theodore Dalrymple. Cause that's where I learned it about a year ago.

    The greatest living essayist.

    Carleton Coon in the 1990s.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Same here.
  44. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Taylor Swift will go down in history as a great entertainer."

    That's absurd. Its great you apparently enjoy her music (or, perhaps more likely, simply find her attractive, and have conflated that feeling with an appreciation for her simple little ditties), but objectively, she's no more memorable than, say, Debbie Gibson. Taylor Swift is music that young people tell their parents & grandparents that they enjoy, because their parents & grandparents (who are doubtless responsible for most of Ms. Swift's income stream), have simply never heard of the bands that young people today actually enjoy.

    Profoundly dislike Taylor Swift but this simply isn’t true. Swift is probally on the cusp of aging out of dominating the teen market, but at this time she undoubtedly appeals mostly to young people. The idea that middle aged people make up her fan base is ludicrous and completely out of touch for a comment accusing others of being out of touch.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "The idea that middle aged people make up her fan base is ludicrous and completely out of touch for a comment accusing others of being out of touch."

    Obviously, there are limits to the veracity of anecdotal accounts, but 100 percent of the comments I've heard people-under-20 make about Ms. Swift, have been derogatory. And nearly 100 perent of all positive remarks I've heard about her, came from people-over-40. In my experience, White kids (outside the "hip-hop" world), are never really into the musicians one sees on television; those types of musicians, such as Ms. Swift, are really more intended for their parents.
  45. Swift might be clever, but she must be horribly unobservant if she throught the “ladies unite feminism card” would be effective so soon after Patricia Arquette’s debacle.

  46. @SFG
    Off topic, but you knew this was coming:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/24/arts/television/review-in-i-am-cait-caitlyn-jenner-documents-a-changing-self.html

    Steve should review and live blog the entire series. It could be a special series for The Unz Review.

    • Replies: @donut
    Please don't .
  47. @Jonathan Mason
    Oh, come on guy, full female buttocks and tits (also known as "curves") are sexually attractive to the majority of men and I understand that in places like Brazil women actually take steroids to increase their buttock size or have implants, and of course there are also padded panties available to round out underdeveloped buttocks. However huge non-shapely butts appended to lard-asses are just huge butts and not a lot of fun, though there are some men who have a fetish for them and fall for the cracks, or through the cracks.

    On the converse side, skinny-ass titless women tend to lack attractiveness or at best have a kind of waifish quality like the Duchess of Cornwall or whatever her name is, but nobody really wastes much time thinking about bedding them.

    I would say that the steatopygic Kimberly Kardashian is, or was once, attractive in a cartoonish way in spite of her oversize butt rather than because of it, although he rface is now so mutilated by her family tradition of plastic surgery that she is starting to look like the Wife of Frankenstein.

    The tabloid media rejoices in huge butts in a kind of Beavis and Buttheaded way, but this is not to be taken seriously as an indication of what real men find sexually attractive.

    According to this documentary, even in Brazil, which is associated with large butts, the mainstream popularity of big butts is a recent trend:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2QoQUKG9I4
  48. Meanwhile, Marginal Revolution calls attention to Taylor Swift also being in trouble with the Chinese.

    It’s like a J.P. Rushton fever dream.

    Funnily enough, the Tiananmen Square incident itself was precipitated by the Nanjing Anti-African Protests, which in turn were caused by black exchange students virtually monopolizing Chinese college chicks. To the point of actually locking themselves with said chicks for a massive orgy behind closed doors that may as well have had “no Chinese men allowed” signs hanging on them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests

    So in a sense, we have Nicky Minaj, Taylor Swift, and Communist China all with their panties in a knot over what ultimately can be traced back to the BBC. The world we live in.

    • Replies: @Deduction

    Funnily enough, the Tiananmen Square incident itself was precipitated by the Nanjing Anti-African Protests, which in turn were caused by black exchange students virtually monopolizing Chinese college chicks. To the point of actually locking themselves with said chicks for a massive orgy behind closed doors that may as well have had “no Chinese men allowed” signs hanging on them.
     
    Wrong. You should read your own link rather than blurting out some odd fantasy of yours.

    The Chinese students rioted because the African students received better grants and because a number of Chinese girls complained about street harassment (urban fishing.)
    , @Jack D
    I think you must have mixed up some porn site with Wikipedia. There was no such orgy. This is what actually happened: a couple of African exchange students were taking a couple of Chinese girls that they picked up at a Christmas party back to their dorms. The security guard at the campus gates accused the girls of being ho's (for wanting to sleep with black men) and wouldn't let them enter the campus. The African students didn't like the idea of their dates being called ho's for racist reasons and this lead to a brawl breaking out. Then a false rumor spread that a Chinese man had been killed by Africans and the Chinese tried to lock hundreds of African students into their dorm and set fire to it. Etc.

    In other words, this was the classic setup of a racist pogrom or lynching - fear that the other more virile race is defiling your women, wild rumors and false accusations leading to "retaliation" against imaginary crimes, etc. And the authorities had to intervene to prevent the exchange students from being massacred.

    But, hilariously, somehow this all got translated in the West as "Chinese students demonstrating in favor of democracy are suppressed by the Communist authorities."
  49. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Businesses grab onto big booty craze”

    http://libn.com/2014/11/11/businesses-grab-onto-big-booty-craze/

    Gym classes that promise a plump posterior are in high demand. A surgery that pumps fat into the buttocks is gaining popularity. And padded panties that give the appearance of a rounder rump are selling out.

    The U.S. booty business is getting a big bump. Companies are cashing in on growing demand from women seeking the more curvaceous figures of their favorite stars, who flaunt their fuller rear ends.

    Nicki Minaj, for instance, raps about her “big fat” butt in “Anaconda.” Reality star Kim Kardashian posts photos of hers on Instagram. And in the music video for “Booty,” Jennifer Lopez and Iggy Azalea, wearing leotards, spend four minutes rubbing their curvy bottoms together. At one point, they slap each other on the booty.

    As a result of the pop culture moment the butt is having, sales for Booty Pop, which hawks $22 foam padded panties on its website, are up 47 percent in the last six months from the same period a year earlier. The company, which declined to give sales figures, has sold out of certain styles and colors this year, including its Pink Cotton Candy Boy Shorts.

    Susan Bloomstone, Booty Pop’s co-founder, says customers have asked for larger sizes. So, the Boston-based company plans to begin selling pads that are 25 percent larger this month. “People just want more booty,” she says.

    Feel Foxy, another maker of padded panties, says 2014 has been its best year since launching nearly a decade ago. Sales are up 40 percent from a year ago, but the company declined to give sales figures.

    “The Nicki Minaj song gave women the idea to pay attention to their rear end,” says Jessica Asmar, co-owner of the Houston company.

    To be sure, the desire for big butts isn’t new. Large booties long have been preferable in Latino and black communities, says Dr. Dionne Stephens, an associate psychology professor at Florida International University who has researched sexuality in popular culture. And this isn’t the first time big butts have been in songs. (Think: “Baby Got Back” by Sir Mix-A-Lot in the 1990s.)

    But recently, the desire for a bigger bottom became more mainstream, in large part due to pop culture influences. Mainstream celebrities like Lopez and Minaj accepting their ample assets on camera have given the butt cachet. “When people see things repeated on TV more and more, it becomes normalized,” Stephens says.

    French sociologist Jean-Claude Kaufmann says this is true overseas, too: “In Europe, and in France especially, there’s a trend to show off the buttocks in place of breasts. This has to do with Latin American influences, but also the rise of Beyonce and stars like Rihanna,” says Kaufmann, author of “Women’s Bodies, Men’s Gaze. Sociology of Naked Breasts.”

    Kaufmann also suggests more economic reasons at play: “In uncertain times, people look for security,” he says. “Men are attracted to women’s hips and the buttocks for security and reassurance. Women respond to this. It’s deeply psychological.”

    Whatever the reason, the widespread interest in larger hind parts seems to have started when Kardashian’s reality TV show, “Keeping up with the Kardashians,” began airing seven years ago.

    Some businesses that specialize in butts say pop culture has had a direct impact on their bottom line.

    A Brazilian butt lift, in which fat is sucked from a patient’s stomach, love handles or back and put into their buttocks and hips, is increasingly popular in the U.S. This type of surgery, along with buttock implants, was the fastest-growing plastic surgery last year, with more than 11,000 procedures, up 58 percent from 2012, according to the American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery.

    Dr. Matthew Schulman, who performs the procedure in New York, says this year has been busier than last. Schulman, who charges $10,000 to $13,000 for the three-hour surgery, does six to eight Brazilian butt lifts weekly, up about 25 percent from a year ago.

    He says when he asks patients which celebrity butt they want, the top names are Kardashian, Minaj and Lopez. Recently, more women have asked for a butt like Kardashian’s sister, Khloe, who also stars in the reality show.

    The downside of new interest is that women desperate for cheap options have risked their lives, going to phony doctors that inject silicone, and even bathroom caulk, into their buttocks. Deaths have been reported in Miami, New York, Las Vegas and Jackson, Mississippi.

    Another problem is doctors performing butt-enhancement surgeries that don’t have experience. Schulman says about 20 percent of his patients come to him so he can fix lumps, bumps and uneven butt cheeks done by unskilled doctors.

    Not everyone is trying surgery, though. Those looking for more natural ways to enhance their derriere are attending workout classes and watching workout videos that target the butt.

    DailyBurn, which streams workout videos, says views for its “Butt, Hips and Thighs” video doubled in January and have remained popular. The video is so popular that DailyBurn is adding another butt workout clip in December.

    At a gym in Boston, there’s a waitlist for a $30 class that fits in 120 squats in 45 minutes. The class, Booty by Brabants, was started by Kelly Brabants a year ago. Brabants starts most classes, held at The Club by George Foreman III gym, with Lopez’s “Booty” song. By the end of the year, she plans to expand her brand by selling $65 workout leggings that help perk up the butt.

    “It’s not about being stick-thin anymore,” says Brabants. “Every girl now wants a booty.”

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Whiskey,call your office.
  50. @Jack Hanson
    I thought "callyphygian" was the correct term for a woman with a giant ass.

    That’s “callipygian”, which means “beautiful butt” in Greek, as opposed to “steatopygian” which means “fat butt” in Greek.

    The way to remember this is is “stea-” is the Greek root for “fat”, and “calli-” is the Greek root for beautiful. There aren’t a lot of words with “stea-” in them, but “calli-” words is a bit more common, calligraphy, calliope, callisthenics.

    Just call it “shelf butt”. Everyone will know what you mean.

  51. Nicki Minaj isn’t black and her butt aint real.

    She’s Trini Indian and he fat butt is fake.

    The whole issue is garbage and I’d rather see another golf post on here.

    Yes, I said that.

    • Replies: @HA
    "Nicki Minaj isn’t black...

    Her parents are Robert Maraj, a financial executive of half Indo-Trinidadian and half Afro-Trinidadian ancestry, and Carol Maraj, who is of Afro-Trinidadian heritage...
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicki_Minaj

    The link also shows a 2009 photo of her -- have a look at that and tell me you still do not think she qualifies as black.

    The bigger question is why she did not stay with Nicki Maraj (or Mirage) as her stage name. That would have been far catchier to my ear than Minaj.

    , @Anonym
    Thank you. Her body is not remotely real.

    That said, those general proportions are attractive and both porn and superhero comics as a testament to this. You don't find many TS asses in porn or superhero comics for a reason.
  52. @Anonymous
    According to this documentary, even in Brazil, which is associated with large butts, the mainstream popularity of big butts is a recent trend:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYA9twQXBq8

  53. prosa123 [AKA "Peter"] says: • Website

    OT but likely of interest here:
    A sneaker store in Bushwick, an improving but still skanky part of Brooklyn, has come up with an innovative way to reduce thefts. It consists of two storefronts a couple of blocks apart. One store has only left-foot sneakers and the other has only right foots. A customer can purchase a pair at either store and take a sneaker, then bring his receipt to the other store and pick up its mate.

  54. @josh
    I went and watched 30 seconds or so of each video. Both are deserving of far more than the millions of dollars that they have garnered from their work. These women deserve to be singled out and given awards for their great artistic achievement. The real problem here is that there simply are not enough awards. Can we also give an award to the women who made that video
    linked to last week where she tortured and murdered a white lady?

    Awards are nice and SHINY. Blacks love shiny things.

  55. @J1234

    At least black and white women can agree on liking Black Men.
     
    Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

    It’s probably the same guy.

  56. Wide hips != shelf butt.

    The Minaj video is a representation of r type reproduction.
    The Swift one a representation of asexual reproduction.

    The media are 100% poison.

  57. Here’s what it says about her on Wikipedia:

    Early life
    Onika Tanya Maraj was born in Saint James, Trinidad and Tobago on December 8, 1982.[2] Her parents are Robert Maraj, a financial executive of half Indo-Trinidadian and half Afro-Trinidadian ancestry, and Carol Maraj, who is of Afro-Trinidadian heritage, and held a variety of jobs including an accounting clerk, foreign-exchange teller and gospel singer.[7] Minaj’s father was addicted to alcohol and other drugs, had a violent temper; he attempted to kill her mother by setting their house on fire.[8] She has two siblings.

    As a small child, Minaj lived with her grandmother in Saint James and was occasionally visited by her mother, with whom she moved to Queens, New York, at age five.[9] Minaj said that her upbringing lacked discipline, which made her “seek out and practice self-discipline”.[10] She attended PS 45 (the Clarence Witherspoon School) and Elizabeth Blackwell Middle School 210, where she played the clarinet, for her elementary education.[9] Minaj successfully auditioned for admission to LaGuardia High School in Manhattan, which focuses on visual and performing arts, where she studied acting.[11] After graduation, Minaj wanted to become an actress, and she was cast in the Off-Broadway play In Case You Forget in 2001.[12] When her acting career failed to take off, at age 19 she worked as a waitress at Red Lobster in the Bronx, but was fired for discourtesy to customers.[13] She said she was fired from “at least fifteen jobs” for similar reasons.[14] She also worked as an administrative assistant, in customer service and as an office manager for a Wall Street business.[15]

  58. HA says:
    @Rifleman
    Nicki Minaj isn't black and her butt aint real.

    She's Trini Indian and he fat butt is fake.

    The whole issue is garbage and I'd rather see another golf post on here.

    Yes, I said that.

    “Nicki Minaj isn’t black…

    Her parents are Robert Maraj, a financial executive of half Indo-Trinidadian and half Afro-Trinidadian ancestry, and Carol Maraj, who is of Afro-Trinidadian heritage…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicki_Minaj

    The link also shows a 2009 photo of her — have a look at that and tell me you still do not think she qualifies as black.

    The bigger question is why she did not stay with Nicki Maraj (or Mirage) as her stage name. That would have been far catchier to my ear than Minaj.

  59. @Mark Minter
    I would love to have a blog listed on the neoreaction aggregators but the quality of the writers humbles me and they continuously display to me why those bloggers are some of the best in the internet.

    Today's example comes from EvolutionX.

    White Women’s Tears
    https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/white-womens-tears/

    This spat between white women and black women on twitter started with the BlackLivesMatter deal at the campaign event for Bernie Sanders and O'malley. With White women bitching about the divisive behavior and that if it weren't for White Feminists then Black women wouldn't have the rights they have. And blacks saying the Dems have to earn their vote and not take them for granted, like Malcolm X told them to do. So then all of this with the MTV stuff.

    So then EvolutionX creatively shows why White Women Cry and why Black Women Don't, because Neoteny.

    White women had white men and they lived in the north where the winters were hard. And the men died at a higher rate than women due to the weather and hunting. So there was a surplus of women. So Neoteny, the instinct to select the younger looking woman for fecundity. And also the younger acting woman. So white women evolved to use tears and the women that used tears tended to survive and have more offspring. Black women had black men, R selected mating, low male investment, a climate where the woman could forage or whatever to feed children. So no Neoteny, actually none, black women have the least neoteny of any women on the planet. And that is why nobody wants them relative to every other race.

    And black women have no tolerance for white women tears. And they hate them, especially ones that look like Taylor Swift.

    I love all this because of not only the "circular firing squad". This, the BlackLivesMatter thing, and there was another essay published about some DC tank girl who got roughed up on the Blue Line by three black girls, all say to white women, "Look, girls, your natural ally, when all is said and done, the people that have and will protect you, insure your security and welfare, and if necessary fight for you, just like we have for tens of thousands of years,....

    is White Men.

    And no one else will.

    And blacks saying the Dems have to earn their vote and not take them for granted, like Malcolm X told them to do.

    What a joke. Their votes only matter for primaries and local elections. For the national elections, the majority of them are in red states, so their votes don’t matter. They will also vote loyally Democrat, no matter who is running.

    I’m not sure why the Democrats pander to them at all.

    • Replies: @anon

    I’m not sure why the Democrats pander to them at all.
     
    They're a useful tool to attack white people with.
    , @Whiskey
    MI, Il, OH, PA, VA, FL, WI all come to mind. A massive vote group concentrated in big cities easy to turn out and who can capture mayoraltes and state control over urban areas?

    If Black people did not exist they'd be invented. They are the essential vote part of every Dem victory starting with FDR.

    Cincy and Cleveand alone get you Ohio. Chicago gets you Illinios.
  60. You people need to listen to some Icelandic post-rock or psybient music to clean your minds and souls after all this Nicki Minaj. Take my advice and do it. You’re going to have nightmares otherwise.

  61. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Is Anaconda really a song?

    Is ‘twerking’ really dancing?

    Black girl attacks white girl but is really angry at black guys who are more popular than black girls.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    Steve got it right. You ignored him. Nicki Minaj is angry at no-one, she is immensely popular. She is just boosting her popularity with a bit of drama. Chicks dig drama.
  62. @Nathan Wartooth

    And blacks saying the Dems have to earn their vote and not take them for granted, like Malcolm X told them to do.
     
    What a joke. Their votes only matter for primaries and local elections. For the national elections, the majority of them are in red states, so their votes don't matter. They will also vote loyally Democrat, no matter who is running.

    I'm not sure why the Democrats pander to them at all.

    I’m not sure why the Democrats pander to them at all.

    They’re a useful tool to attack white people with.

  63. @Anon
    I quit listening to pop music forever back in the early 80s and migrated over to punk and indie rock, both of which were a hell of a lot more interesting than mainstream music. Nowadays, every time some twit questions my tastes, I just say to them, "Popular music is supposed to offer me WHAT, now?"

    Swift's video is silly. Minaj's is pure dioxin.

    “I quit listening to pop music forever back in the early 80s and migrated over to punk and indie rock, both of which were a hell of a lot more interesting than mainstream music.”

    Punk is gunk. Ugly music.

    I want Stevie Nicks back.

  64. At one time, grammies totally ignored the hottest hits/acts.

    Beatles, dylan, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, etc. were ignored in their time.

    Now, grammies go out of their way to be ‘relevant’.

    But the music is total industry-led shit.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Beatles, dylan, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, etc. were ignored [by the Grammys] in their time.

     

    Except for Lennon-McCartney's finer moments, I'd say that was the right call. Even if fun at times, including the others would be slumming.
  65. I know I’m probably an extreme outlier among iSteve fans, but I very much prefer Nicki Minaj’s (admittedly fake) appearance to Taylor Swift’s (admittedly real) appearance. Hey, I like big butts and I cannot lie. 🙂 And it ain’t sour grapes, either — my curvy, Mediterranean-complexioned wife is constantly jealous about all my “skinny blonde bitch” exes.

    On the other hand, I like Taylor Swift’s music better — to the extent that I like ANY newer music. Most of the stuff on my iPod playlist is pre-1985. But when my wife listens to her stuff — which includes both Taylor and Nicki — T.S. is admittedly more to my liking.

  66. @Anonymous
    There's definitely been an increasing popularity and popularization of large butts recently. The idea that large butts are attractive and desirable has become more common and prominent in the mainstream media and culture and among whites and other non-blacks. More and more white and other non-black women today are trying to adopt the large butt look when that was largely unthinkable just 10, 15 years ago, when women were generally concerned about their butts being too big and sought slimmer figures. This seems to be tied to the ongoing Africanization of culture.

    To tie this with the Coalition of the Fringes circular firing squad theme, Vogue Magazine published an article last year noting and hailing this large butt trend, which prompted outrage from some leftists who said that Vogue failed to acknowledge and credit black women for the large butt trend or something.

    "Actually, Vogue, The Era Of The Big Booty Began A Long Ass Time Ago"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/11/middlebrow-vogue-booties_n_5803704.html

    “Baby got back”, the Sir Mix A Lot song that Minaj’s song sampled, came out in 1992 so it’s hardly a new fad.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, we've all known that blacks like large butts. It's a new fad in the more mainstream culture and among non blacks.
  67. If you start with the premise that the MTV Video Music Awards are as prestigious as medals handed to the fat kid who couldn’t finish the hundred

    I usually get the Caribou Coffee daily trivia question right. But today’s was about which rapper did this song with a lot of H’s in the title– not “Hot as Hades” but close in sound.

    I just looked at the middle-aged Jewish guy who fielded many of my answers in the past, and said, “I’d be ashamed to know the answer to that!”

  68. @Father O'Hara
    Taylor just finished 2 sold out shows here (Chicago,o'course)at SOLDIER FIELD! The girl is huge.I think parents are happy their pre-teen girls like a GIRL,as opposed to a more dubious male pop idol."Mommy can we go see Lil Wayne?"

    She also doesn’t tell 12 year old girls to make out with each other like Katy Perry and Demi Lovato, so that’s something. Not saying she’s a saint but she is more wholesome that most pop stars these days.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    Exactly. At least she's not overtly trying to F your kids up. That has to count for something.
  69. @Anon
    At one time, grammies totally ignored the hottest hits/acts.

    Beatles, dylan, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, etc. were ignored in their time.

    Now, grammies go out of their way to be 'relevant'.

    But the music is total industry-led shit.

    Beatles, dylan, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, etc. were ignored [by the Grammys] in their time.

    Except for Lennon-McCartney’s finer moments, I’d say that was the right call. Even if fun at times, including the others would be slumming.

    • Replies: @onetwothree
    Looks like we've found the Herb Alpert fan. However, I'll admit that the top 40 hitmakers of the 60s and 70s could really rock an elevator. (With proper elevator-oriented orchestration of course.)
  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Agree Swift is a big time performer.

    But songs are weak and her singing (vocal quality) is only average to good.

    Never thought of her as “hot” until recently where she looks more hipster and sleek instead of past years country and big hair.

    Also check the NYT pics from last week at her show in Jersey: awesome legs.

    Don’t like the music but she is a force onstage.

    • Replies: @anon

    Never thought of her as “hot”
     
    She looks like a boy.
  71. @Jean Cocteausten
    The interesting thing was watching her badly concealing her basically intelligent nature with a sort of loopy, Gracie Allen act.

    The interesting thing was watching [Minaj] badly concealing her basically intelligent nature with a sort of loopy, Gracie Allen act.

    Carol Wayne made an art of this on the Tonight Show.

  72. I’ve been wondering for awhile now why pop stars and athletes are allowed by their handlers to use Twitter the way they do. I know things like this “feud” generate interest but in today’s climate of “Say the wrong thing and you’re done” you’d think that their agents and publicists would want to at least rein them in a bit.

    Taylor Swift seems to be a little thin skinned sometimes but also a bit of a target for people. Remember Kanye West?

    Steve,

    A Swedish guy named Max Martin wrote most of Taylor Swift’s latest album as well as a large number of pop hits over the last 15 years or so. I’ve long thought you should write a post about him and some other Swedish songwriters that dominate American pop music.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/12/01/sound-sweden

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/01/top-of-pops-johan-karl-schuster-ukasz.html
  73. @Anonymous
    Steve should review and live blog the entire series. It could be a special series for The Unz Review.

    Please don’t .

  74. @Anon
    "Meanwhile, Marginal Revolution calls attention to Taylor Swift also being in trouble with the Chinese."

    https://aefae.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/taylor-swift-is-asian-what/

    Why Chinese so upset? Some say she got chinese eyes.

    Why Chinese so upset? Some say she got chinese eyes.

    Must be the overbite. They think she’s making fun of them, like Jerry Lewis did.

  75. @Rifleman
    Nicki Minaj isn't black and her butt aint real.

    She's Trini Indian and he fat butt is fake.

    The whole issue is garbage and I'd rather see another golf post on here.

    Yes, I said that.

    Thank you. Her body is not remotely real.

    That said, those general proportions are attractive and both porn and superhero comics as a testament to this. You don’t find many TS asses in porn or superhero comics for a reason.

  76. @The Only Catholic Unionist
    Steatopygia? You live in Southern California and the only thing you can find to do with your time is watch the National Spelling Bee on ESPN??

    Steatopygia? You live in Southern California and the only thing you can find to do with your time is watch the National Spelling Bee on ESPN??

    It beats gynecomastia.

    What do you call a monk with gynecomastia?

    A praying mantits.

  77. “Being skinny is a form of privilege, in the same way that being white, wealthy, heterosexual, cisgendered, or able-bodied is a form of privilege. ”

    Rachel Baker, Yale ’17

  78. @Nathan Wartooth

    And blacks saying the Dems have to earn their vote and not take them for granted, like Malcolm X told them to do.
     
    What a joke. Their votes only matter for primaries and local elections. For the national elections, the majority of them are in red states, so their votes don't matter. They will also vote loyally Democrat, no matter who is running.

    I'm not sure why the Democrats pander to them at all.

    MI, Il, OH, PA, VA, FL, WI all come to mind. A massive vote group concentrated in big cities easy to turn out and who can capture mayoraltes and state control over urban areas?

    If Black people did not exist they’d be invented. They are the essential vote part of every Dem victory starting with FDR.

    Cincy and Cleveand alone get you Ohio. Chicago gets you Illinios.

  79. @Reg Cæsar

    Beatles, dylan, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, etc. were ignored [by the Grammys] in their time.

     

    Except for Lennon-McCartney's finer moments, I'd say that was the right call. Even if fun at times, including the others would be slumming.

    Looks like we’ve found the Herb Alpert fan. However, I’ll admit that the top 40 hitmakers of the 60s and 70s could really rock an elevator. (With proper elevator-oriented orchestration of course.)

  80. @no name
    I've been wondering for awhile now why pop stars and athletes are allowed by their handlers to use Twitter the way they do. I know things like this "feud" generate interest but in today's climate of "Say the wrong thing and you're done" you'd think that their agents and publicists would want to at least rein them in a bit.

    Taylor Swift seems to be a little thin skinned sometimes but also a bit of a target for people. Remember Kanye West?

    Steve,

    A Swedish guy named Max Martin wrote most of Taylor Swift's latest album as well as a large number of pop hits over the last 15 years or so. I've long thought you should write a post about him and some other Swedish songwriters that dominate American pop music.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/12/01/sound-sweden
    • Replies: @no name
    Thanks. I had a feeling that was gonna happen.
    , @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    Re Max Martin. Wikipedo has his real last name as Sandberg. Is that a common indigenous Swedish name?
  81. @Steve Sailer
    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/01/top-of-pops-johan-karl-schuster-ukasz.html

    Thanks. I had a feeling that was gonna happen.

  82. If you compare the videos, as can be easily done via vdare you see

    1) Niki Minaj acting as a submissive woman in front of a light skinned black man (though the light-skinned part seems to be at odds with the lyrics which go on about a ‘country-ass’ n*gg** and (which I take in Caribbean context to be a really really black guy and his endowment).

    2) Taylor Swift is, for some reason (granted I didn’t watch the whole thing) doing a sort of much more violent ‘Nine-to-Five’ on the generic white boss man.

    I don’t think we need Umberto to figure out the rough lines of an interpretation, but he surely could help fill in the fine details

    • Replies: @Kate Minter
    Swift's "Blank Space" glorifies violence against men as well as being a BPD women. As disturbing are the acts of female on male violence in alternative music written by male groups: "Tear in my Heart" and "Rollercoaster" both of which feature a woman beating up the lead singer.
  83. @Anonymous
    There's definitely been an increasing popularity and popularization of large butts recently. The idea that large butts are attractive and desirable has become more common and prominent in the mainstream media and culture and among whites and other non-blacks. More and more white and other non-black women today are trying to adopt the large butt look when that was largely unthinkable just 10, 15 years ago, when women were generally concerned about their butts being too big and sought slimmer figures. This seems to be tied to the ongoing Africanization of culture.

    To tie this with the Coalition of the Fringes circular firing squad theme, Vogue Magazine published an article last year noting and hailing this large butt trend, which prompted outrage from some leftists who said that Vogue failed to acknowledge and credit black women for the large butt trend or something.

    "Actually, Vogue, The Era Of The Big Booty Began A Long Ass Time Ago"

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/11/middlebrow-vogue-booties_n_5803704.html

    It may have something to do with Starting Strength popularizing below-parallel squats, which make your thighs and buttocks bigger. After a year of doing the program, I couldn’t get swim trunks I’d bought the previous summer on.

  84. @Steve Sailer
    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/01/top-of-pops-johan-karl-schuster-ukasz.html

    Re Max Martin. Wikipedo has his real last name as Sandberg. Is that a common indigenous Swedish name?

    • Replies: @Anon_Swede
    "Re Max Martin. Wikipedo has his real last name as Sandberg. Is that a common indigenous Swedish name?"

    Yes, it means "sand mountain" and looks very Swedish. It also looks a bit Jewish but I am reasonably sure Martin isn't Jewish.

    [Noun|Adjective][Location] is a very common construction for Swedish surnames, largely because Swedes mostly didn't use surnames until the 19th century and a lot of people had to come up with something in a hurry. Which is probably why those sort of names look vaguely Jewish, since that is the reason a lot of Jews are named things like Goldberg, which works by the same system except in German. Since Swedish and German are pretty close sometimes you even get Jewish surnames that are also Swedish surnames that mean the same thing and are spelled the same but are in different languages.

    The other very common Swedish system for surnames [Name][Son of], eg Andersson (Son of Anders). Which again is testimony towards the laziness of Swedish 19th century bureaucrats.
  85. OT: Chris Hedges speech last month. Must watch!

    • Replies: @Anon
    "OT: Chris Hedges speech last month. Must watch!"

    Hedgemony makes some necessary points but undermines his own argument with sheer idiocy.

    He attacks the culture of spectacle and narcissism but supports the hysterical homo agenda.

    He talks about speaking truth to oligarchic power but never mentions Jews.

    He pretends Negroes are all saints and helpless victims of cops.

    He seems willfully ignorant of the fact that Galeano disavowed his own book Open Veins, aka blame it all on gringo.

    Sometimes, he makes valid points only to discredit them with his counter-recommendation.

    Take his review of Fifty Shades of Grey.

    Good argument... until he offers up Andrea Dworkin as the therapeutic alternative.

    ?????

    Sorry, but Fifty Tons of Gross is even a sicker sexual-power fantasy.

    , @vinteuil
    Chris Hedges?

    Must watch?

    You mean, as an exemplar of incurable stupidity & malevolence?
  86. @Anonymous
    At least black and white women can agree on liking Black Men.


    This stuff will not happen once the demographics change and everyone is somewhat African

    @ Join
    yes I think 21. century public life (and private life for some) in western countries will be much influenced by the competition between westafrican women and white women for westafrican man. On the other side this competition might get less ferocious over the time as the share of the westafrican population in western countries will steadily rise and black men are luckily quite generous when it comes to giving their attention to several women at the same time.

  87. eah says:

    One might ask why the “cultural contributions of black women” are apparently so easily overlooked.

    Black women are disproportionately obese. Significantly so. The healthcare cost of obesity-related illness and disease is very high. As a group, black women probably produce the least amount of wealth per capita. So maybe it all evens out.

  88. @no name
    She also doesn't tell 12 year old girls to make out with each other like Katy Perry and Demi Lovato, so that's something. Not saying she's a saint but she is more wholesome that most pop stars these days.

    Exactly. At least she’s not overtly trying to F your kids up. That has to count for something.

    • Replies: @anon
    Promoting r type behavior *is* trying to screw your kids up.

    I'd agree it's better than promoting asexual/androgynous/gender war/non-reproduction but only just.
  89. I think this whole big butt thing is also related to the gender relations public forces are pushing everybody too. A men today is expected to be attracted by 40-60 year old strong and independent women, or by old transvestite ladies or get gay but never ever be attracted by a skinny (which is another word for normal) 19 year old girls.
    So there is this strange racial thing, because people act as if they valued black feminity while in fact black females are shunned on the partner market. The whole admiration for backness is just for black masculinity.
    And then there is the gender thing, thus the war of unequal relationships between men and women.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    The whole admiration for backness is just for black masculinity.
     
    Black masculinity is a joke.
  90. Has Ta-Nehisi weighed in on black booties??

    • Replies: @fish

    Has Ta-Nehisi weighed in on black booties??
     



    Please god no..........!!
  91. @SPMoore8
    I remember when Miley Cyrus made "twerking" a household word a couple years ago at the VMA and there was outrage that there wasn't enough recognition that twerking had been invented by black people. Check: steam engine, twerking, electric light, twerking ..... etc. take your pick.

    The entire episode smacks of racial elitism, body shaming, and something else really bad. Besides, I thought Malcolm Gladwell determined that if someone spends 10,000 hours trying to build up a big butt, they can; also, that the Big Butt Quotient (BBQ) is not racially but culturally determined.

    Obviously, a shapely backside can be sexually alluring, that's what we are programmed for, after all, but there are limits, and I wouldn't have to shell out for the industrial strength toilet seat that it would require.

    Blacks invented twerking and the peanut. You have to give them credit for both….

    • Replies: @Kylie

    Blacks invented twerking and the peanut. You have to give them credit for both….
     
    Funny guy.

    But seriously, if you want to talk about black inventions, how about the performance art known as "necklacing"?
  92. @Priss Factor
    Is Anaconda really a song?

    Is 'twerking' really dancing?

    Black girl attacks white girl but is really angry at black guys who are more popular than black girls.

    Steve got it right. You ignored him. Nicki Minaj is angry at no-one, she is immensely popular. She is just boosting her popularity with a bit of drama. Chicks dig drama.

  93. @Felix

    Meanwhile, Marginal Revolution calls attention to Taylor Swift also being in trouble with the Chinese.

    It’s like a J.P. Rushton fever dream.
     
    Funnily enough, the Tiananmen Square incident itself was precipitated by the Nanjing Anti-African Protests, which in turn were caused by black exchange students virtually monopolizing Chinese college chicks. To the point of actually locking themselves with said chicks for a massive orgy behind closed doors that may as well have had "no Chinese men allowed" signs hanging on them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests

    So in a sense, we have Nicky Minaj, Taylor Swift, and Communist China all with their panties in a knot over what ultimately can be traced back to the BBC. The world we live in.

    Funnily enough, the Tiananmen Square incident itself was precipitated by the Nanjing Anti-African Protests, which in turn were caused by black exchange students virtually monopolizing Chinese college chicks. To the point of actually locking themselves with said chicks for a massive orgy behind closed doors that may as well have had “no Chinese men allowed” signs hanging on them.

    Wrong. You should read your own link rather than blurting out some odd fantasy of yours.

    The Chinese students rioted because the African students received better grants and because a number of Chinese girls complained about street harassment (urban fishing.)

    • Replies: @Felix
    "Wrong. You should read your own link rather than blurting out some odd fantasy of yours.

    The Chinese students rioted because the African students received better grants and because a number of Chinese girls complained about street harassment (urban fishing.)"

    You're wrong. I provided the Wiki link to quickly demonstrate what I was referring to by the Nanjing Anti-African Protests, not because it would have all the salacious details. The violence was no more caused by any single event or grievance than the Ferguson fiasco was caused by the death of Michael Brown. The resentment ran deep and whatever the ultimate spark was that lit the fire is nigh on irrelevant. Guess what that resentment was caused by, buddy?

    http://cowriesrice.blogspot.com/2012/12/on-this-day-1988-1989-nanjing-anti.html
  94. @Steve Sailer
    Right, Minaj was one of the more intelligent-sounding "American Idol" judges ever.

    Steve — I’m shocked — you really watched American Idol?!!!!

  95. @Anonymous
    At least black and white women can agree on liking Black Men.


    This stuff will not happen once the demographics change and everyone is somewhat African

    “At least all men on Earth can agree on liking white women.”

    There, fixed that for you.

  96. “By the way, both Miss Minaj and Miss Swift are savvy businesswomen…”

    The kiss of death for pop music. No one would have ever said this about Elvis, the Beatles, or any of the greats.

    When artists are better at business than art, you have a larger problem on your hands. Art becomes about commodity, not expression or meaning. The only meaning it has it how many units it shipped or how many eyeballs it attracted. This is why the only real message either Minaj or Swift are sending out is “Look at me!” Once you scratch that surface, there’s nothing of substance underneath except the desire to “Sell sell sell!”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "No one would have ever said this about Elvis, the Beatles, or any of the greats."

    Mick Jagger would like to have a word with you.

    , @Daniel Williams

    ...the only real message either Minaj or Swift are sending out is “Look at me!”
     
    They're both trying to entertain, not make art. There's a huge difference. Getting people to "Look at [you]!" is integral to being a good entertainer. No reasonable person thinks Taylor Swift wants to be the next Górecki. She fills arenas with screaming people who want to have a good time. Art has nothing to do with it.

    And check this out: Elvis and the rest of the golden oldies were the same way.
  97. @Jonathan Mason
    Oh, come on guy, full female buttocks and tits (also known as "curves") are sexually attractive to the majority of men and I understand that in places like Brazil women actually take steroids to increase their buttock size or have implants, and of course there are also padded panties available to round out underdeveloped buttocks. However huge non-shapely butts appended to lard-asses are just huge butts and not a lot of fun, though there are some men who have a fetish for them and fall for the cracks, or through the cracks.

    On the converse side, skinny-ass titless women tend to lack attractiveness or at best have a kind of waifish quality like the Duchess of Cornwall or whatever her name is, but nobody really wastes much time thinking about bedding them.

    I would say that the steatopygic Kimberly Kardashian is, or was once, attractive in a cartoonish way in spite of her oversize butt rather than because of it, although he rface is now so mutilated by her family tradition of plastic surgery that she is starting to look like the Wife of Frankenstein.

    The tabloid media rejoices in huge butts in a kind of Beavis and Buttheaded way, but this is not to be taken seriously as an indication of what real men find sexually attractive.

    Padded panties and bras are rather common here in Japan. Nice to look at, but then I feel tricked later in the evening.

  98. @Days of Broken Arrows
    "By the way, both Miss Minaj and Miss Swift are savvy businesswomen..."

    The kiss of death for pop music. No one would have ever said this about Elvis, the Beatles, or any of the greats.

    When artists are better at business than art, you have a larger problem on your hands. Art becomes about commodity, not expression or meaning. The only meaning it has it how many units it shipped or how many eyeballs it attracted. This is why the only real message either Minaj or Swift are sending out is "Look at me!" Once you scratch that surface, there's nothing of substance underneath except the desire to "Sell sell sell!"

    “No one would have ever said this about Elvis, the Beatles, or any of the greats.”

    Mick Jagger would like to have a word with you.

    • Replies: @Kevin Michael Grace
    Thanks to Jagger's 1968 decision to hire Allen Klein as manager, all the money generated by the Stones during the period 1964-1970 from both mechanical and publishing royalties went to Klein. It now goes to his heirs, even though he managed the group for only two years. This is one of the most disastrous business decisions in music history.
  99. It also showcases a bevy of white models whose bodies are considered the standard for beauty in the fashion and lingerie industry: Karlie Kloss, Lily Aldridge, Martha Hunt and Gigi Hadid.

    Interesting how Gigi Hadid’s Arab father doesn’t win her any Diversity Pokemon Points:

    Hadid was born on April 23, 1995 in Los Angeles, California, the daughter of Dutch-born American Yolanda Foster (née Van den Herik) a former model, and Palestinian Mohammed Hadid.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigi_Hadid

    • Replies: @prosa123
    Hadid is too white looking to score any diversity points. While there is something mildly exotic about her looks, her blonde hair puts her squarely in the Caucasian camp.
  100. @Jean Cocteausten
    The interesting thing was watching her badly concealing her basically intelligent nature with a sort of loopy, Gracie Allen act.

    Every smart girl knows there are times when it’s stupid to be smart and smart to be stupid 🙂

  101. @M_Young
    If you compare the videos, as can be easily done via vdare you see

    1) Niki Minaj acting as a submissive woman in front of a light skinned black man (though the light-skinned part seems to be at odds with the lyrics which go on about a 'country-ass' n*gg** and (which I take in Caribbean context to be a really really black guy and his endowment).

    2) Taylor Swift is, for some reason (granted I didn't watch the whole thing) doing a sort of much more violent 'Nine-to-Five' on the generic white boss man.

    I don't think we need Umberto to figure out the rough lines of an interpretation, but he surely could help fill in the fine details

    Swift’s “Blank Space” glorifies violence against men as well as being a BPD women. As disturbing are the acts of female on male violence in alternative music written by male groups: “Tear in my Heart” and “Rollercoaster” both of which feature a woman beating up the lead singer.

  102. @Steve Sailer
    Carleton Coon in the 1990s.

    Same here.

  103. There are still music videos? I was under the impression MTV, which was founded for the purpose of playing nonstop music videos, stopped playing music videos in the Nineties. I guess there’s still YouTube…

    In any case, The Replacements had the last word on that art form in the Eighties. Not their finest song, but the video (of a speaker playing it, then getting kicked over) is pretty dispositive:

  104. a collaboration with the rapper Kendrick Lamar, features the actresses Lena Dunham, Mariska Hargitay and Selena Gomez. It also showcases a bevy of white models whose bodies are considered the standard for beauty in the fashion and lingerie industry: Karlie Kloss, Lily Aldridge, Martha Hunt and Gigi Hadid.

    I’ve never actually watched this video, but let’s give it the once over for the sake of counting Diversity Pokemon Points:

    Gigi Hadid: As already noted, she’s half-Arab

    Selena Gomez: Father is of “Mexican descent”

    Kendrick Lamar: Black guy

    Serayah McNeill: Black woman

    Zendaya Coleman: Mixed-race, Black father and White mother

    Hailee Steinfeld: Rather convoluted:

    Steinfeld’s father is Jewish[9][10] and her mother is of English, Filipino, and German descent.

    According to the Ethnicelebs website, she also has some Black ancestry:

    Ethnicity:
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (father)
    *Filipino (Boholano), African-American, German, English (mother)

    Hailee Steinfeld is an American actress and model.

    Hailee’s father, Peter Steinfeld, originally from a family from New York, is Jewish.

    Hailee’s mother, Cheryl Domasin, was born in California. Hailee’s maternal grandfather was of half Filipino (Boholano) and half African-American descent. Hailee’s maternal grandmother had English and German ancestry.

    Hailee’s paternal grandfather was Herbert Melvin Steinfeld.

    Hailee’s maternal grandfather, Ricardo/Simonas Guillermo Domasin, was born in Los Angeles, in 1938. Ricardo’s father, Pastor “Peter” Lorisca Domasin, was born, c. 1902, in Panglao, Bohol, in the Philippines (Pastor’s mother’s maiden name was Lorisca). Ricardo’s mother, Evelyn Olivia Bain, was born in Los Angeles, in 1910; Evelyn was Hailee Steinfeld’s great-grandmother. Evelyn was African-American, and she and her parents, Thomas Edward Bain (born in Kansas, to Gabrel Bain and Belle Johnson) and Wilma “Willie” Frances Peterson (born in Arkansas, to William F. Peterson and Nannie Hall), are listed as either African-American or, sometimes, as “Mulatto”, in census records.

    Hailee’s maternal grandmother was Laurita Lee Hinkle (the daughter of William Hicks Hinkle and Edith Laurita Jones). Laurita was born in Texas, and had English and German ancestry.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/hailee-steinfeld

    Jessica Alba: Mexican father

    I dunno; it looks fairly “diverse” to me.

    Here’s a rundown on the people who appear in the video:

    http://www.ibtimes.com/pulse/taylor-swifts-bad-blood-music-video-all-models-musicians-stars-featured-1927737

    • Replies: @syonredux
    Here's the full breakdown on Jessica Alba's ancestry:

    72.7% European
    22.5% Native American (Indigenous Mexican)
    2.0% Sub-Saharan African
    0.3% Middle Eastern and North African
    0.1% South Asian
    2.4% No match
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/jessica-alba
  105. BobX [AKA "Bob who~is old remembers"] says:
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    I'll see your Queen and raise you an earlier Spinal Tap!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qDgCmzh5ao

    Talk about mudflaps, my girl's got 'em!
  106. And yet Minaj’s “Anaconda” wasn’t nominated, while Taylor Swift’s “Bad Blood” was.

    After watching* both videos, I can say that both are pretty dull.At a guess, “Bad Blood’s” nerd appeal (it employs lots of comic book style imagery, with the X-Men probably being the main influence) probably put it over the top.

    *”Anaconda” might just be the least erotic music video of all time.When a body part gets fetishized, it ceases to be erotic to people who don’t share the fetish

    • Replies: @Anon
    Stick with Resident Evil instead.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VVEAkYlA8o
  107. Nobody brought up why there is so much discrimination against “People of Talent.”

  108. @syonredux

    a collaboration with the rapper Kendrick Lamar, features the actresses Lena Dunham, Mariska Hargitay and Selena Gomez. It also showcases a bevy of white models whose bodies are considered the standard for beauty in the fashion and lingerie industry: Karlie Kloss, Lily Aldridge, Martha Hunt and Gigi Hadid.
     
    I've never actually watched this video, but let's give it the once over for the sake of counting Diversity Pokemon Points:

    Gigi Hadid: As already noted, she's half-Arab

    Selena Gomez: Father is of "Mexican descent"

    Kendrick Lamar: Black guy

    Serayah McNeill: Black woman

    Zendaya Coleman: Mixed-race, Black father and White mother

    Hailee Steinfeld: Rather convoluted:

    Steinfeld's father is Jewish[9][10] and her mother is of English, Filipino, and German descent.
     
    According to the Ethnicelebs website, she also has some Black ancestry:

    Ethnicity:
    *Ashkenazi Jewish (father)
    *Filipino (Boholano), African-American, German, English (mother)

    Hailee Steinfeld is an American actress and model.

    Hailee’s father, Peter Steinfeld, originally from a family from New York, is Jewish.

    Hailee’s mother, Cheryl Domasin, was born in California. Hailee’s maternal grandfather was of half Filipino (Boholano) and half African-American descent. Hailee’s maternal grandmother had English and German ancestry.

    Hailee’s paternal grandfather was Herbert Melvin Steinfeld.

    Hailee’s maternal grandfather, Ricardo/Simonas Guillermo Domasin, was born in Los Angeles, in 1938. Ricardo’s father, Pastor “Peter” Lorisca Domasin, was born, c. 1902, in Panglao, Bohol, in the Philippines (Pastor’s mother’s maiden name was Lorisca). Ricardo’s mother, Evelyn Olivia Bain, was born in Los Angeles, in 1910; Evelyn was Hailee Steinfeld’s great-grandmother. Evelyn was African-American, and she and her parents, Thomas Edward Bain (born in Kansas, to Gabrel Bain and Belle Johnson) and Wilma “Willie” Frances Peterson (born in Arkansas, to William F. Peterson and Nannie Hall), are listed as either African-American or, sometimes, as “Mulatto”, in census records.

    Hailee’s maternal grandmother was Laurita Lee Hinkle (the daughter of William Hicks Hinkle and Edith Laurita Jones). Laurita was born in Texas, and had English and German ancestry.
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/hailee-steinfeld


    Jessica Alba: Mexican father

    I dunno; it looks fairly "diverse" to me.

    Here's a rundown on the people who appear in the video:



    http://www.ibtimes.com/pulse/taylor-swifts-bad-blood-music-video-all-models-musicians-stars-featured-1927737

    Here’s the full breakdown on Jessica Alba’s ancestry:

    72.7% European
    22.5% Native American (Indigenous Mexican)
    2.0% Sub-Saharan African
    0.3% Middle Eastern and North African
    0.1% South Asian
    2.4% No match

    http://ethnicelebs.com/jessica-alba

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    So she's basically a castiza? That's what she looks like as well. Not mestiza, but not quite or wholly white either.
  109. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Taylor Swift will go down in history as a great entertainer."

    That's absurd. Its great you apparently enjoy her music (or, perhaps more likely, simply find her attractive, and have conflated that feeling with an appreciation for her simple little ditties), but objectively, she's no more memorable than, say, Debbie Gibson. Taylor Swift is music that young people tell their parents & grandparents that they enjoy, because their parents & grandparents (who are doubtless responsible for most of Ms. Swift's income stream), have simply never heard of the bands that young people today actually enjoy.

    Young people no longer enjoy “bands.” Danny and the Juniors are on the brink of being proved wrong – rock and roll is in critical condition.

  110. Eustace Tilley (not) [AKA "Schiller/Nietzsche"] says:
    @J1234

    At least black and white women can agree on liking Black Men.
     
    Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

    From observing women in daily life as well as on the media. White women (who, like all women, are utter conformists, and almost always go with the majority in the henhouse) are being fed The Beautiful Black Male relentlessly, and they are swooning for it. Yea, open thine eyes; then shalt thou see.

    You need to read Chateau Heartiste every day. Then you will understand women. (The fact that black athletes slap their women around in NFL mini-scandal after NFL mini-scandal only adds to their appeal to white women. White women secretly long to be slapped around and called “bitch” and “ho”; to experience the “forbidden” masochistic pleasures of the black girl. Why should her chok’lit sistahs have all the fun?).

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    From observing women in daily life as well as on the media. White women (who, like all women, are utter conformists, and almost always go with the majority in the henhouse) are being fed The Beautiful Black Male relentlessly
     
    This much, at least, is true. The rest reads more like the insanely envious projection of the blog's loopier, duskier commenters, like "Thwack" or "James Blonde", than anything Roissy himself writes.
    , @syonredux

    From observing women in daily life as well as on the media. White women (who, like all women, are utter conformists, and almost always go with the majority in the henhouse) are being fed The Beautiful Black Male relentlessly, and they are swooning for it. Yea, open thine eyes; then shalt thou see.
     
    Yeesh.You guys need to get out more.Black-White marriages are quite rare:

    In 2007, 4.6% of all married Blacks in the United States were wed to a White partner, and 0.4% of all Whites were married to a Black partner.
     
    Internet dating:

    men
    – non-black men applied a penalty to black women
    – while black men showed little racial preference either way

    women
    – all women preferred men of their own race
    – but they otherwise penalized both Asian and black men
     
    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

    And in my crowd (super-liberal Humanities academics), none of the women have ever dated a Black guy.They are frightfully apologetic about it, saying that they are perfectly willing to date a Black man, but the opportunities simply haven't arisen, yadda-yadda....
    , @J1234
    Okay, that website you mentioned is just plain weird, and I don't see it as representative of anything...other than a microcosm.

    Yes, there is an interracial world out there, but there always has been. Even during slavery days (actually, especially during slavery days.) The difference is that it's now more out in the open, and that the gender roles are somewhat reversed. This transparency creates a slightly exaggerated effect in many people's minds.

    Yes, there may be more interracial unions now than in the past, and that may even increase somewhat in the future, but stats show that around 90% of white marriages are intra-racial, and science has shown that most people prefer life mates who look like themselves.

    The other factor in this is the whoring nature of modern society. The interracial thing is a usually subset of that.

    You're right about women being compliant and fanatically averse to anything that puts them in a negative social light. Most of the women I know deal with political correctness by never ever saying anything bad about black people....then marrying somebody who looks - more or less - like them. As even mega-whore Paris Hilton once said: " I can't stand black guys. I would never touch one. It's gross."

  111. One UK branch of the Coalition is being formalised.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/11753983/Womens-Equality-Party-Meet-politics-new-chief-feminist-leading-it.html

    The new leader, Sophie Walker, looks rather a sweetheart and I’m sure she’s terribly nice. I imagine (American) Catherine Mayer and (Danish) Sandi Toksvig are the driving forces.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-womens-equality-party-for-ladies-too-nice-for-politics/17159

    They have 6 main aims, of which #6 is “An end to violence against women. “ Perhaps they could sort violence against men once that’s achieved.

    https://womensequality.org.uk/

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    End to violence against women (VAW)? From white dudes? Or from blacks to blacks,latinoes to latinas? How about from blacks/latins against white women? I imagine they'll concentrate on the first,give lip service to the second and completely run like hell from the third!!
  112. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JW
    OT: Chris Hedges speech last month. Must watch!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA41ggsdeXE

    “OT: Chris Hedges speech last month. Must watch!”

    Hedgemony makes some necessary points but undermines his own argument with sheer idiocy.

    He attacks the culture of spectacle and narcissism but supports the hysterical homo agenda.

    He talks about speaking truth to oligarchic power but never mentions Jews.

    He pretends Negroes are all saints and helpless victims of cops.

    He seems willfully ignorant of the fact that Galeano disavowed his own book Open Veins, aka blame it all on gringo.

    Sometimes, he makes valid points only to discredit them with his counter-recommendation.

    Take his review of Fifty Shades of Grey.

    Good argument… until he offers up Andrea Dworkin as the therapeutic alternative.

    ?????

    Sorry, but Fifty Tons of Gross is even a sicker sexual-power fantasy.

    • Replies: @JW
    Hmmm... I see him as next-level smart. Everything he's ever said about corporate dominance/class struggle has always been true. Yes, he seems to contradict himself and says some looney things, but I see that merely as an effort to recruit a coalition of those most passionate and most able to effect change, who, unfortunately, already have many deeply held neoliberal ideas. Ask yourself this: if the current power dynamics is overthrown, who's most likely to seize power and who benefits? Remember, his main thesis is that if we leave the current power structure alone, all of our grandchildren will be nothing more than disposable commodity. Everything else he "stands for" is just window dressing.

    An example of what I'm getting at is how he explains that academics are propagandists who have only risen to respectable influence because they tout the party line. Then, without a sense of irony, he talks about global warming and how that's the corporations' fault. He's recruiting fighters.
  113. @syonredux

    And yet Minaj’s “Anaconda” wasn’t nominated, while Taylor Swift’s “Bad Blood” was.
     
    After watching* both videos, I can say that both are pretty dull.At a guess, "Bad Blood's" nerd appeal (it employs lots of comic book style imagery, with the X-Men probably being the main influence) probably put it over the top.





    *"Anaconda" might just be the least erotic music video of all time.When a body part gets fetishized, it ceases to be erotic to people who don't share the fetish

    Stick with Resident Evil instead.

  114. @Danindc
    Has Ta-Nehisi weighed in on black booties??

    Has Ta-Nehisi weighed in on black booties??

    Please god no……….!!

  115. @syonredux

    It also showcases a bevy of white models whose bodies are considered the standard for beauty in the fashion and lingerie industry: Karlie Kloss, Lily Aldridge, Martha Hunt and Gigi Hadid.
     
    Interesting how Gigi Hadid's Arab father doesn't win her any Diversity Pokemon Points:

    Hadid was born on April 23, 1995 in Los Angeles, California, the daughter of Dutch-born American Yolanda Foster (née Van den Herik) a former model, and Palestinian Mohammed Hadid.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigi_Hadid

    Hadid is too white looking to score any diversity points. While there is something mildly exotic about her looks, her blonde hair puts her squarely in the Caucasian camp.

    • Replies: @fish
    In most of her photos she looks like they took her out of the "Jennifer Lawrence" stamping mold before she cooled sufficiently.
  116. @Jefferson
    Taylor Swift abandoned her country music roots because her fan base was way too White and the Vibrants don't care for country music. So she started to collaborate with Black rappers. But embracing Vibrant Diversity has only been limited to her music and has not extended to her personal dating life. Her dating history is as White as The Backstreet Boys.

    Taylor Swift abandoned her country music roots because her fan base was way too White and the Vibrants don’t care for country music. So she started to collaborate with Black rappers.

    Same thing with the Beatles, right? When they couldn’t find anyone interested in their rock music, they went to India to try to win over the subcontinental market and make some real money.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Same thing with the Beatles, right? When they couldn’t find anyone interested in their rock music, they went to India to try to win over the subcontinental market and make some real money."

    It is 100 percent fact that Vibrant DIEversity do not like country music.

  117. @J1234
    Is the black lady at all aware that millions of men - of many races - find buttocks like hers utterly repulsive? I find her photo only marginally more appealing than me displaying my beer belly.

    As to Steve's reference to more conflict in La La land: huh? These conflicts are mostly manufactured. They have little real life relevance. Taylor Swift strikes me as utterly shallow and cultureless.

    To be fair, millions of men, of many races- find a big ass pretty sexy. I’m a 180 proof Anglo-Celtic retrograde redneck and I’ve always been a big fan of large asses. I don’t think pop culture has a lot to do with the boner test.

    I agree that these cat fights are manufactured, though, as is the majority of Celebrity drama. One thing reality TV has shown those who can see is that EVERYTHING coming out of Hollywood is scripted.

    • Replies: @J1234

    I’ve always been a big fan of large asses.
     
    I'm not talking about large. I'm talking about bulbous. It reminds me of this (steatopygia as Steve called it):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Woman_with_steatopygia.jpg

  118. @Days of Broken Arrows
    "By the way, both Miss Minaj and Miss Swift are savvy businesswomen..."

    The kiss of death for pop music. No one would have ever said this about Elvis, the Beatles, or any of the greats.

    When artists are better at business than art, you have a larger problem on your hands. Art becomes about commodity, not expression or meaning. The only meaning it has it how many units it shipped or how many eyeballs it attracted. This is why the only real message either Minaj or Swift are sending out is "Look at me!" Once you scratch that surface, there's nothing of substance underneath except the desire to "Sell sell sell!"

    …the only real message either Minaj or Swift are sending out is “Look at me!”

    They’re both trying to entertain, not make art. There’s a huge difference. Getting people to “Look at [you]!” is integral to being a good entertainer. No reasonable person thinks Taylor Swift wants to be the next Górecki. She fills arenas with screaming people who want to have a good time. Art has nothing to do with it.

    And check this out: Elvis and the rest of the golden oldies were the same way.

    • Replies: @Kylie

    Getting people to “Look at [you]!” is integral to being a good entertainer. No reasonable person thinks Taylor Swift wants to be the next Górecki. She fills arenas with screaming people who want to have a good time. Art has nothing to do with it.

    And check this out: Elvis and the rest of the golden oldies were the same way.
     
    True, Elvis was an entertainer. But he was also an artist in spite of himself. His phrasing, ability to shape a melody line, dynamics, breath control, etc. were all phenomenal.
  119. I want to see Swift and Minaj mud wrestle. I would pay to watch that. The problem with Minaj’s video is that it looks like a porn video with music. maybe that confused the judges.
    Meanwhile I have a porn video of a naked woman riding a horse. I just love the music played in the background. That deserves a video award than what these two babes have put out.

  120. @no name
    "Baby got back", the Sir Mix A Lot song that Minaj's song sampled, came out in 1992 so it's hardly a new fad.

    Yes, we’ve all known that blacks like large butts. It’s a new fad in the more mainstream culture and among non blacks.

  121. @syonredux
    Here's the full breakdown on Jessica Alba's ancestry:

    72.7% European
    22.5% Native American (Indigenous Mexican)
    2.0% Sub-Saharan African
    0.3% Middle Eastern and North African
    0.1% South Asian
    2.4% No match
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/jessica-alba

    So she’s basically a castiza? That’s what she looks like as well. Not mestiza, but not quite or wholly white either.

  122. @prosa123
    Hadid is too white looking to score any diversity points. While there is something mildly exotic about her looks, her blonde hair puts her squarely in the Caucasian camp.

    In most of her photos she looks like they took her out of the “Jennifer Lawrence” stamping mold before she cooled sufficiently.

  123. On my youtube, I linked to a video of Minaj’s Anaconda music video being introduced to innocent Korean girls for the first time. If you want to hate, that is a great video to start with.

  124. @Deduction

    Funnily enough, the Tiananmen Square incident itself was precipitated by the Nanjing Anti-African Protests, which in turn were caused by black exchange students virtually monopolizing Chinese college chicks. To the point of actually locking themselves with said chicks for a massive orgy behind closed doors that may as well have had “no Chinese men allowed” signs hanging on them.
     
    Wrong. You should read your own link rather than blurting out some odd fantasy of yours.

    The Chinese students rioted because the African students received better grants and because a number of Chinese girls complained about street harassment (urban fishing.)

    “Wrong. You should read your own link rather than blurting out some odd fantasy of yours.

    The Chinese students rioted because the African students received better grants and because a number of Chinese girls complained about street harassment (urban fishing.)”

    You’re wrong. I provided the Wiki link to quickly demonstrate what I was referring to by the Nanjing Anti-African Protests, not because it would have all the salacious details. The violence was no more caused by any single event or grievance than the Ferguson fiasco was caused by the death of Michael Brown. The resentment ran deep and whatever the ultimate spark was that lit the fire is nigh on irrelevant. Guess what that resentment was caused by, buddy?

    http://cowriesrice.blogspot.com/2012/12/on-this-day-1988-1989-nanjing-anti.html

    • Replies: @Deduction
    Wrong again. Do you even read your own sources?

    It mentions rape and kidnap but nothing about your orgy fantasy or anything even approaching that.

    You are seriously strange.
  125. Well, the circular firing squad may well be firing off nearly every day, yet the Coalition of the Fringes goes from victory to victory at an ever increasing pace. They never lose anymore. These intra-Fringe squabbles only serve to rev up the team and ultimately make it stronger.

  126. @Paul Walker Most beautiful man ever...
    Re Max Martin. Wikipedo has his real last name as Sandberg. Is that a common indigenous Swedish name?

    “Re Max Martin. Wikipedo has his real last name as Sandberg. Is that a common indigenous Swedish name?”

    Yes, it means “sand mountain” and looks very Swedish. It also looks a bit Jewish but I am reasonably sure Martin isn’t Jewish.

    [Noun|Adjective][Location] is a very common construction for Swedish surnames, largely because Swedes mostly didn’t use surnames until the 19th century and a lot of people had to come up with something in a hurry. Which is probably why those sort of names look vaguely Jewish, since that is the reason a lot of Jews are named things like Goldberg, which works by the same system except in German. Since Swedish and German are pretty close sometimes you even get Jewish surnames that are also Swedish surnames that mean the same thing and are spelled the same but are in different languages.

    The other very common Swedish system for surnames [Name][Son of], eg Andersson (Son of Anders). Which again is testimony towards the laziness of Swedish 19th century bureaucrats.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Ryne Sandberg, Hall of Fame second baseman.
  127. @Anonymous
    Agree Swift is a big time performer.

    But songs are weak and her singing (vocal quality) is only average to good.

    Never thought of her as "hot" until recently where she looks more hipster and sleek instead of past years country and big hair.

    Also check the NYT pics from last week at her show in Jersey: awesome legs.

    Don't like the music but she is a force onstage.

    Never thought of her as “hot”

    She looks like a boy.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    She looks like a boy.

    "A boy with tits" was my father's comment to a 1970s TV interview with Debbie Harry in which she was compared to the late Marilyn Monroe. Dad (who lived through Marilynmania and once saw her, from afar, in an airport, thought MM was a slutty and crazy woman, but she was physically, and in onscreen behavior, the extreme essence of femininity in his opinion. One of the few of his opinions I had to agree with, or at least the feminine and shapely part. She wasn't as promiscuous or as crazy as he believed, I now think. Dad thought Harry was a somewhat intelligent but not naturally especially feminine woman who had concocted a persona guys would go for, although her kind of music was not appealing to people his age.

    Taylor Swift follows the Debbie Harry model more, except that because of natural precocity and a supportive family she got started much younger. She understands it's showbiz and that she has created a persona she portrays. But she has to do it full time, onstage and off. Swift has a reasonably well trained voice (by modern standards) and like Madonna has well crafted commercial pop songs, albeit with artificial country flavoring in her earlier work. She's also quite tall, which makes her appear less curvy. Her music does not appeal much to me, nor to many other people over, say, 35, but it doesn't have to.
  128. Admittedly I like Taylor Swift for not wholly artistic reasons, but her stuff has comprised reasonably tuneful examples of country and now pop, with lyric sentiments not notably coarse by the standards of my youth in the 70s and 80s, let alone today. I would call her a major contributor to pop culture, and an aesthetically neutral contributor to culture as it stood the day she started working. She has made it no worse by either lack of talent or lack of grace.

    Minaj by comparison has made an impressive negative contribution, and should not be honored for it. At least by comparison to Minaj, Taylor Swift might as well be Kiri Te Kanawa or at least Julie Andrews.

    Nor is this a racial matter- Britney Spears also lowered both the tone and the level of musical and lyrical performance. Christina Aguilera, her contemporary, could at least sing MUCH better.

  129. @Danindc
    Exactly. At least she's not overtly trying to F your kids up. That has to count for something.

    Promoting r type behavior *is* trying to screw your kids up.

    I’d agree it’s better than promoting asexual/androgynous/gender war/non-reproduction but only just.

  130. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    What an age we live in.

    The main issue should be ‘why are women acting like trashy whores?’, but instead the issue is ‘why isn’t she nominated for an award for acting like a horny ape?’

    The woman who should on the moral defensive is on the offensive.

    But then, homos who sought to feel shame are going around shouting about ‘pride’.

    And blacks who mess up towns are acting like they are ‘innocent’ victims of white violence.

    Whore is artist.

    Perversion is pride.

    Thug is victim.

  131. @Felix

    Meanwhile, Marginal Revolution calls attention to Taylor Swift also being in trouble with the Chinese.

    It’s like a J.P. Rushton fever dream.
     
    Funnily enough, the Tiananmen Square incident itself was precipitated by the Nanjing Anti-African Protests, which in turn were caused by black exchange students virtually monopolizing Chinese college chicks. To the point of actually locking themselves with said chicks for a massive orgy behind closed doors that may as well have had "no Chinese men allowed" signs hanging on them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_anti-African_protests

    So in a sense, we have Nicky Minaj, Taylor Swift, and Communist China all with their panties in a knot over what ultimately can be traced back to the BBC. The world we live in.

    I think you must have mixed up some porn site with Wikipedia. There was no such orgy. This is what actually happened: a couple of African exchange students were taking a couple of Chinese girls that they picked up at a Christmas party back to their dorms. The security guard at the campus gates accused the girls of being ho’s (for wanting to sleep with black men) and wouldn’t let them enter the campus. The African students didn’t like the idea of their dates being called ho’s for racist reasons and this lead to a brawl breaking out. Then a false rumor spread that a Chinese man had been killed by Africans and the Chinese tried to lock hundreds of African students into their dorm and set fire to it. Etc.

    In other words, this was the classic setup of a racist pogrom or lynching – fear that the other more virile race is defiling your women, wild rumors and false accusations leading to “retaliation” against imaginary crimes, etc. And the authorities had to intervene to prevent the exchange students from being massacred.

    But, hilariously, somehow this all got translated in the West as “Chinese students demonstrating in favor of democracy are suppressed by the Communist authorities.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The anti-African riots were in Nanjing, which is about 500 miles from Beijing. Tiananmen Square is in Beijing. There were pro-democracy student protests in Tiananmen Square.
    , @Whiskey
    Chinese have a severe shortage of women. Selective sex abortion and one child = only one chance for ordinary Chinese men to meet and marry. In College. Also Chinese sexual mores are very conservative and they view Africans having sex with Chinese women as defilement.

    When at Tsinghua I was told by a number if Chinese male students if anti African riots over women with approval I might add. The stories had the same plots, Africans pushed around Chinese men, took their women, got tossed off dorms by 100s of angry Chinese men.

    Obesity in the US makes women effectively scarce here. Roof started talking violence when a girl he liked dated a Black guy, an athlete iirc. Black White dating us asymmetrical. White men largely find Black women as unattractive as Black comedians like Martin Lawrence and Eddie Murphy portray them. Its lose lose for White men, win win for Black men. Of course the losers just dissapear into the ether and never cause trouble.

    Shaming language, social pressure works great on Twitter with Amazon. It failed with Roof, Omar Thornton, and the Muslims shhoting Marines in recruiting centers or blowing up Bostonians. Well ok, shaming language is only applied to White and sometimes Asian men. Self evidently that fails when they have nothing to lose.

    The best way to prevent African students from being tossed off Chinese dorm roofs? Don't have any in China.
    , @Pete
    A family friend who grew up in China told me that African exchange students were frequently the cause of riots even back in the 1960s. They were known to rape Chinese women, and reports of the rape would cause mobs of Chinese men to attack the Africans' dorm buildings and beat them up.
  132. @Anon_Swede
    "Re Max Martin. Wikipedo has his real last name as Sandberg. Is that a common indigenous Swedish name?"

    Yes, it means "sand mountain" and looks very Swedish. It also looks a bit Jewish but I am reasonably sure Martin isn't Jewish.

    [Noun|Adjective][Location] is a very common construction for Swedish surnames, largely because Swedes mostly didn't use surnames until the 19th century and a lot of people had to come up with something in a hurry. Which is probably why those sort of names look vaguely Jewish, since that is the reason a lot of Jews are named things like Goldberg, which works by the same system except in German. Since Swedish and German are pretty close sometimes you even get Jewish surnames that are also Swedish surnames that mean the same thing and are spelled the same but are in different languages.

    The other very common Swedish system for surnames [Name][Son of], eg Andersson (Son of Anders). Which again is testimony towards the laziness of Swedish 19th century bureaucrats.

    Ryne Sandberg, Hall of Fame second baseman.

  133. The first thing I thought about when watching Nikki was Josephine Baker and her Parisian banana dancing. I think Miss Baker may be the earliest twerker on celluloid.

    The other thought was that caveman movie (Quest for Fire? Clan of the Cave Bear?) in which the sensitive cavewoman from another tribe got her caveman partner to switch from Minaj-position to missionary-position in a touching and romantic scene.

    Some cultures focus on the face, others on the hind parts.

    • Replies: @anon
    Which is the reason for the media's promotion of the big butt theme - just another example of flight from white.
  134. @Felix
    "Wrong. You should read your own link rather than blurting out some odd fantasy of yours.

    The Chinese students rioted because the African students received better grants and because a number of Chinese girls complained about street harassment (urban fishing.)"

    You're wrong. I provided the Wiki link to quickly demonstrate what I was referring to by the Nanjing Anti-African Protests, not because it would have all the salacious details. The violence was no more caused by any single event or grievance than the Ferguson fiasco was caused by the death of Michael Brown. The resentment ran deep and whatever the ultimate spark was that lit the fire is nigh on irrelevant. Guess what that resentment was caused by, buddy?

    http://cowriesrice.blogspot.com/2012/12/on-this-day-1988-1989-nanjing-anti.html

    Wrong again. Do you even read your own sources?

    It mentions rape and kidnap but nothing about your orgy fantasy or anything even approaching that.

    You are seriously strange.

    • Replies: @Truth
    No Dude you're wrong. Chinese guys were so upset by two Africans boning Chinese girls, that they laid under rolling tanks "just to spite those black bastards".
  135. @Danindc
    Blacks invented twerking and the peanut. You have to give them credit for both....

    Blacks invented twerking and the peanut. You have to give them credit for both….

    Funny guy.

    But seriously, if you want to talk about black inventions, how about the performance art known as “necklacing”?

  136. @Sam Haysom
    Profoundly dislike Taylor Swift but this simply isn't true. Swift is probally on the cusp of aging out of dominating the teen market, but at this time she undoubtedly appeals mostly to young people. The idea that middle aged people make up her fan base is ludicrous and completely out of touch for a comment accusing others of being out of touch.

    “The idea that middle aged people make up her fan base is ludicrous and completely out of touch for a comment accusing others of being out of touch.”

    Obviously, there are limits to the veracity of anecdotal accounts, but 100 percent of the comments I’ve heard people-under-20 make about Ms. Swift, have been derogatory. And nearly 100 perent of all positive remarks I’ve heard about her, came from people-over-40. In my experience, White kids (outside the “hip-hop” world), are never really into the musicians one sees on television; those types of musicians, such as Ms. Swift, are really more intended for their parents.

    • Replies: @SecretaryNS
    It's possible this was true a few years ago, but since her last album came out, her appeal is as cross-demographic as anything I can recall in the past ten years. I've seen several videos posted on Facebook of her concerts recently, and the crowd was young.

    Which is only to say that, while I wouldn't buy her album for myself, she's distinguished herself from the pack of talentless retards we'd naturally associate with her.
  137. Swift’s background:

    Taylor Swift was born on December 13, 1989 in Reading, Pennsylvania.[1][2][3] She was named after singer James Taylor.[4] Her father, Scott Kingsley Swift, is a Merrill Lynch financial adviser;[5][6] he was raised in Pennsylvania, and is the descendant of three generations of bank presidents.[7][8] Her mother, Andrea Gardner (Finlay) Swift,[9][10] is a homemaker who previously worked as a mutual fund marketing executive.[11] Swift’s mother, though American, spent the first 10 years of her life in Singapore, before returning to the U.S. and settling in Texas; her own father was an engineer who worked throughout southeast Asia.[8] Swift has a younger brother named Austin.[12]

    Swift spent the early years of her life on a Christmas-tree farm in Cumru Township, Pennsylvania.[13][14] She attended preschool and kindergarten at the Alvernia Montessori School, run by Franciscan nuns,[15] before moving to the Wyndcroft School, a co-ed private school.[16] Swift and her brother were raised in the Presbyterian faith, and attended vacation bible school every summer.[17][18] When Swift was nine years old, the family moved to a rented house in the suburban town of Wyomissing, Pennsylvania.[19] She attended West Reading Elementary Center and Wyomissing Area Junior/Senior High School there.[20] Swift summered at her parents’ waterfront vacation home in Stone Harbor, New Jersey, and described it as the place “where most of my childhood memories were formed.”[21]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Swift

    Swift’s ancestry:

    Ethnicity: German, English, some Scottish, Irish, Northern Irish (Scots-Irish), Welsh, 1/16th Italian, as well as distant French, Swedish, Dutch, and Belgian (Walloon)

    Taylor Swift is an American singer, songwriter, and actress.

    Taylor is descended from a number of German immigrants to the United States, in the 1800s and earlier. Some of her ancestral lines also trace back to Colonial America of the 1600s, and to English immigrants of that time period. Her other ancestry includes smaller amounts of Scottish, Irish, Northern Irish (Scots-Irish), Welsh, 1/16th Italian, and distant roots in France, Sweden, The Netherlands, and Belgium (with Walloon ancestors).

    Her “Swift” lines traces back to a William Swift, born in Bocking, Essex, England, c. 1619.

    Taylor’s paternal grandfather is Lt. Col. Archie Dean Swift, Jr. (the son of Archie Dean Swift and Bernice Maude Thompson). Taylor’s great-grandfather Archie was the son of Charles Julius Swift and Josephine Reno. Bernice was the daughter of Wilbur Willard Thompson and Barbara Maria Jane Kingsley.

    Taylor’s paternal grandmother is Rose Baldi Douglas (the daughter of Charles Gwynn Douglas and Louise Eurindine Baldi). Charles was the son of Charles Douglass and Mary Jane Gwynn. Louise was the daughter of Charles Carmine Antonio Baldi, an Italian man, born in Castelnuovo Cilento, Italy, and of his wife, Louisa Eurindine Sobernheimer, who was born in Pennsylvania, to German parents, Frederick Sobernheimer and Catherine Z. Thus, Taylor Swift is of 1/16th Italian ancestry.

    Taylor’s maternal grandfather is Robert Bruce Finlay (the son of Lancelot “Lance” George Finlay and Eleanor “Ella” A. Mayer/Meyer). Lancelot was born in Southampton, England, to a Scottish-born father, George Finlay, and an Irish-born mother, Emma Lynch. Eleanor was the daughter of German parents, Julius Mayer and Delia Gunther.

    Taylor’s maternal grandmother is Marjorie Moehlenkamp (the daughter of Elmer Henry Moehlenkamp and Cora Lee Morrow). Elmer was the son of Henry Johann/John Moehlenkamp and Emma Anna Eterina Bruns, who were of German descent. Cora was the daughter of Sanford Hewitt Morrow and Sallie Wells Faulkner.

    http://ethnicelebs.com/taylor-swift

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Taylor is an Italian hexadecaroon? Is she related to William Faulkner?
  138. @Daniel Williams

    ...the only real message either Minaj or Swift are sending out is “Look at me!”
     
    They're both trying to entertain, not make art. There's a huge difference. Getting people to "Look at [you]!" is integral to being a good entertainer. No reasonable person thinks Taylor Swift wants to be the next Górecki. She fills arenas with screaming people who want to have a good time. Art has nothing to do with it.

    And check this out: Elvis and the rest of the golden oldies were the same way.

    Getting people to “Look at [you]!” is integral to being a good entertainer. No reasonable person thinks Taylor Swift wants to be the next Górecki. She fills arenas with screaming people who want to have a good time. Art has nothing to do with it.

    And check this out: Elvis and the rest of the golden oldies were the same way.

    True, Elvis was an entertainer. But he was also an artist in spite of himself. His phrasing, ability to shape a melody line, dynamics, breath control, etc. were all phenomenal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Elvis had more biological talent than Frank Sinatra, and both men knew it. It bothered Frank, Elvis didn't care.

    But Elvis put all his trust behind "Colonel" Tom Parker, and it was sorely misplaced. Parker regarded Elvis as a circus act that made Parker money, and did nothing to help Elvis develop as an artist.

    My generation had little use for Elvis or Frank because both were seen as dinosaurs. They didn't write their own music, and they were, well, old. Elvis actually never lived to be old, but we thought of him that way. In reality, both were far superior to most of the artists we pandered to and worshipped, and people twenty years my junior at least sometimes understand that, which is to their credit. So unless you were a bookish nerd like me you knew nothing of their struggles, of their work, their lives, except at the end Frank became a little bit cool because Bono said so and Bruce was one of his pallbearers.

    Frank had a way better career: fifty years versus twenty. Part of that was longevity, 81 years versus 42. But more than that, Frank worked for, fought for, everything he had. Elvis went from nothing to superstar before he knew what hit him. Frank begged, pleaded, schemed for a shot-no guarantee, just a shot-at the role of Maggio that put him back in the game. Elvis never made a movie that wasn't an Elvis vehicle, pure and simple. A couple of them are halfway decent, most are unwatchable today.

    It wasn't because Elvis was lazy. Mostly, it was because he was loyal to Col. Tom. Parker was a compromised man: we now know he was an illegal immigrant and probably a murderer in his native Holland. So Parker never let Elvis gig outside the United States, Parker arranged for Elvis to be drafted as a common infantryman (an arrangement that did nothing for the United States Army: a reserve slot in Special Services would have been better for both, as Sinatra knew when he set up his son-in-law Tommy Sands), and Parker insisted that Elvis pay much, much more in income tax to "avoid suspicion". (If the IRS had any sense, that in itself would have provoked their curiosity.) Elvis never competed for roles in non-Elvis vehicle movies, and therefore developed very little as an actor.

    Parker was well known as a con man and a carny barker within the industry, even if the illegal alien and murder suspect part was unknown. The best commentary on Elvis', and Parker's, status within showbiz circles at that time was provided by one of Elvis' movie directors, Jerry Wald.

    Wald made an "Elvis movie" with Marilyn Monroe in the Elvis position, suitably adjusted for gender, called Let's Make Love. The movie lambasts several real public figures of the era-Van Cliburn, Maria Callas, and Elvis-along with the character (played by French actor Yves Montand) of Monroe's love interest, a French worthless heir.

    (Frankie Vaughn)
    When Elvis rotates
    Each critic note-takes
    It may look funny
    But the money's what it supplies

    (Marilyn Monroe)
    Specialization, specialization

    (Frankie Vaughn)
    You'll meet the colonel if

    (Marilyn Monroe)
    If you specialize

    Elvis had sold fifty million records, but he was considered a goof.

    Of course, "Meeting the Colonel" was signifying a great deal too. Elvis by the mid-1960s was fully cognizant that this was a foolish relationship in the eyes of absolutely everyone in the industry, but Elvis was loyal to a fault. The Colonel had raised him from a truck driver to a superstar, and he was sticking with The Col. forever.

    And it wasn't as if Col. Tom was really a genius at concealing his background. The press just didn't care to investigate. Parker's brother even came over from Holland and told everyone what was up, and he was pointedly ignored.

    Is the situation really that different today?
  139. @JW
    OT: Chris Hedges speech last month. Must watch!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA41ggsdeXE

    Chris Hedges?

    Must watch?

    You mean, as an exemplar of incurable stupidity & malevolence?

    • Replies: @JW
    Hmmm... I see him as next-level smart. Everything he's ever said about corporate dominance/class struggle has always been true. Yes, he seems to contradict himself and says some looney things, but I see that merely as an effort to recruit a coalition of those most passionate and most able to effect change, who, unfortunately, already have many deeply held neoliberal ideas. Ask yourself this: if the current power dynamics is overthrown, who's most likely to seize power and who benefits? Remember, his main thesis is that if we leave the current power structure alone, all of our grandchildren will be nothing more than disposable commodity. Everything else he "stands for" is just window dressing.

    An example of what I'm getting at is how he explains that academics are propagandists who have only risen to respectable influence because they tout the party line. Then, without a sense of irony, he talks about global warming and how that's the corporations' fault. He's recruiting fighters.
  140. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "The idea that middle aged people make up her fan base is ludicrous and completely out of touch for a comment accusing others of being out of touch."

    Obviously, there are limits to the veracity of anecdotal accounts, but 100 percent of the comments I've heard people-under-20 make about Ms. Swift, have been derogatory. And nearly 100 perent of all positive remarks I've heard about her, came from people-over-40. In my experience, White kids (outside the "hip-hop" world), are never really into the musicians one sees on television; those types of musicians, such as Ms. Swift, are really more intended for their parents.

    It’s possible this was true a few years ago, but since her last album came out, her appeal is as cross-demographic as anything I can recall in the past ten years. I’ve seen several videos posted on Facebook of her concerts recently, and the crowd was young.

    Which is only to say that, while I wouldn’t buy her album for myself, she’s distinguished herself from the pack of talentless retards we’d naturally associate with her.

  141. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)


    From observing women in daily life as well as on the media. White women (who, like all women, are utter conformists, and almost always go with the majority in the henhouse) are being fed The Beautiful Black Male relentlessly, and they are swooning for it. Yea, open thine eyes; then shalt thou see.

    You need to read Chateau Heartiste every day. Then you will understand women. (The fact that black athletes slap their women around in NFL mini-scandal after NFL mini-scandal only adds to their appeal to white women. White women secretly long to be slapped around and called "bitch" and "ho"; to experience the "forbidden" masochistic pleasures of the black girl. Why should her chok'lit sistahs have all the fun?).

    From observing women in daily life as well as on the media. White women (who, like all women, are utter conformists, and almost always go with the majority in the henhouse) are being fed The Beautiful Black Male relentlessly

    This much, at least, is true. The rest reads more like the insanely envious projection of the blog’s loopier, duskier commenters, like “Thwack” or “James Blonde”, than anything Roissy himself writes.

  142. A truly overlooked talent.

  143. @Jack D
    I think you must have mixed up some porn site with Wikipedia. There was no such orgy. This is what actually happened: a couple of African exchange students were taking a couple of Chinese girls that they picked up at a Christmas party back to their dorms. The security guard at the campus gates accused the girls of being ho's (for wanting to sleep with black men) and wouldn't let them enter the campus. The African students didn't like the idea of their dates being called ho's for racist reasons and this lead to a brawl breaking out. Then a false rumor spread that a Chinese man had been killed by Africans and the Chinese tried to lock hundreds of African students into their dorm and set fire to it. Etc.

    In other words, this was the classic setup of a racist pogrom or lynching - fear that the other more virile race is defiling your women, wild rumors and false accusations leading to "retaliation" against imaginary crimes, etc. And the authorities had to intervene to prevent the exchange students from being massacred.

    But, hilariously, somehow this all got translated in the West as "Chinese students demonstrating in favor of democracy are suppressed by the Communist authorities."

    The anti-African riots were in Nanjing, which is about 500 miles from Beijing. Tiananmen Square is in Beijing. There were pro-democracy student protests in Tiananmen Square.

  144. Incidentally, Steve, I’m not sure that “circular firing squad” quite conveys what’s going on here.I know that you intend to invoke an image of self-destruction (circular firing squads pose certain difficulties in terms of collateral damage….), but I don’t see much sign of that.

    No, this is more an example of policing the boundaries.White woman like Swift need to be periodically reminded of intersectionality. Swift is a White, hetero, Cis-Woman.That puts her behind Minaj (who is a Black-South Asian, hetero, Cis-woman) in the victimhood pecking order.Swift needs to check her privilege and do more to help her sisters (both Cis and Trans) of Color….

    • Replies: @anon

    I’m not sure that “circular firing squad” quite conveys what’s going on here.
     
    Yes, seems to me more like the Girondin/Mountain/Jacobin thing during the French Revolution.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin

    (didn't know this but it says the Jacobins started in Brittany which makes me wonder if there was an element of coalition of minorities against the majority in France as there was in Russia)
  145. @Deduction
    Wrong again. Do you even read your own sources?

    It mentions rape and kidnap but nothing about your orgy fantasy or anything even approaching that.

    You are seriously strange.

    No Dude you’re wrong. Chinese guys were so upset by two Africans boning Chinese girls, that they laid under rolling tanks “just to spite those black bastards”.

  146. @Eustace Tilley (not)


    From observing women in daily life as well as on the media. White women (who, like all women, are utter conformists, and almost always go with the majority in the henhouse) are being fed The Beautiful Black Male relentlessly, and they are swooning for it. Yea, open thine eyes; then shalt thou see.

    You need to read Chateau Heartiste every day. Then you will understand women. (The fact that black athletes slap their women around in NFL mini-scandal after NFL mini-scandal only adds to their appeal to white women. White women secretly long to be slapped around and called "bitch" and "ho"; to experience the "forbidden" masochistic pleasures of the black girl. Why should her chok'lit sistahs have all the fun?).

    From observing women in daily life as well as on the media. White women (who, like all women, are utter conformists, and almost always go with the majority in the henhouse) are being fed The Beautiful Black Male relentlessly, and they are swooning for it. Yea, open thine eyes; then shalt thou see.

    Yeesh.You guys need to get out more.Black-White marriages are quite rare:

    In 2007, 4.6% of all married Blacks in the United States were wed to a White partner, and 0.4% of all Whites were married to a Black partner.

    Internet dating:

    men
    – non-black men applied a penalty to black women
    – while black men showed little racial preference either way

    women
    – all women preferred men of their own race
    – but they otherwise penalized both Asian and black men

    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

    And in my crowd (super-liberal Humanities academics), none of the women have ever dated a Black guy.They are frightfully apologetic about it, saying that they are perfectly willing to date a Black man, but the opportunities simply haven’t arisen, yadda-yadda….

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    And in my crowd ... none of the women have ever dated a [b]lack guy.
     
    Of course that's true for most white women, but it doesn't fit the ridiculous victim narrative the Heartiste-reading crowd has constructed to explain their loneliness to themselves: "It's the black guys who are taking our women! That's why we don't have any! Those whores!"

    Kinda reminds me of the way perpetually aggrieved blacks complain that whites have taken all the jobs. I wonder if the comment-writer above would support affirmative dating?
    , @Brutusale
    Some afternoons there are no adults in charge at the gym I work out at, and today the kiddies had the televisions tuned to some channel called E, which was showing the latest atrocities of Klan Kardashian. The ads were almost all for the network's upcoming programming, and from the looks of things there are no white women dating anyone but black guys.

    The Mudshark Network.
  147. @Steve Sailer
    "No one would have ever said this about Elvis, the Beatles, or any of the greats."

    Mick Jagger would like to have a word with you.

    Thanks to Jagger’s 1968 decision to hire Allen Klein as manager, all the money generated by the Stones during the period 1964-1970 from both mechanical and publishing royalties went to Klein. It now goes to his heirs, even though he managed the group for only two years. This is one of the most disastrous business decisions in music history.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    “By the way, both Miss Minaj and Miss Swift are savvy businesswomen…”

    No, they are not.

    Their handlers, agents, and promoters are savvy business people.

    Without the handlers making them up, coaching them, and telling them what to do, where would they be? Zilch, nada.

    It's all about the hype, and both are surrounded by an army of hype-experts who work around the clock in the industry.

    It's the same kind of hype-marketing-artists you have in France, UK, Japan, Mexico, S. Korea, Brazil, Poland, Greece, and etc. which is why all the acts and music look and sound more or less the same.

    Really, what's the difference between Britney Spears, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, and myriad other products and phonies?

    They are all interchangeable, something one could not say about Stevie Nicks, Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Pat Benatar, Chrissie Hynes(sic), and etc.--or even Cyndi Lauper and early madonna of the mid 80s.

    But I suppose madonna and Michael Jackson were the game-changers in that they took the Idol formula and 'personalized' it more than anyone who came before.

    Prior to them, the pop music entertainers, as opposed to pop music artists, were understood to be handled and controlled by the industry. They did as they were told, as they were groomed.

    As such, many tended to be docile and facile and faded away quick, like Shaun Cassidy and Olivia Newton John.

    Pop entertainers either accepted their role as shallow bubblegum acts or tried to rebel by proving that one is really an artist than a mere entertainer. Mike Nesmith of the Monkees tried to prove that he's a genuine singer-songwriter, a real artist and not just some bubblegum act.

    In contrast, madonna took the Andy Warhol sensibility. She admitted she's a total material girl, a formula, a package. But she felt no shame about it, no sense of inferiority complex. She exuded confidence and even impudence, as if she took control of the control the industry had over her. She shamelessly wallowed in her shallowness.

    In the 60s, the racier and edgier acts tended to be more independent and in the mode of personal-art. Dylan, Hendrix, Stones, Lennon, Buffalo Springfield, Pink Floyd, Kinks, etc. As such acts were unpredictable and sometimes controversial, the industry sought to come up with safer variations for the larger and wider audience, something they could control.
    So, the pop music entertainment stuff tended to be milder than the pop music artist stuff.

    But madonna broke out of this mold by taking pop entertainment and pushing it ever more into skanky and raunchy territory, making it 'edgier' and 'dangerous' and 'controversial'.

    Thus, if pop entertainment music had earlier been the safer alternative to the tougher pop art rock --- Kiss as teenybopper alternative to Led Zeppelin --- , it began to take the lead in full raunchiness and controversy with madonna's ever more shameless acts, especially as they developed parallel to the rise of hip hop which was custom-made for the industry since if any music was formulaic, hip hop was it.

    So, now we have Minaj who is totally an industry product but at the forefront of pushing the envelope in 'controversy' and raciness.
    Same with Miley Cyrus. And on TV, there is Lena Dunham and worse.
    But Butting-Edge.
  148. @Daniel Williams

    Taylor Swift abandoned her country music roots because her fan base was way too White and the Vibrants don’t care for country music. So she started to collaborate with Black rappers.
     
    Same thing with the Beatles, right? When they couldn't find anyone interested in their rock music, they went to India to try to win over the subcontinental market and make some real money.

    “Same thing with the Beatles, right? When they couldn’t find anyone interested in their rock music, they went to India to try to win over the subcontinental market and make some real money.”

    It is 100 percent fact that Vibrant DIEversity do not like country music.

  149. JW says:
    @Anon
    "OT: Chris Hedges speech last month. Must watch!"

    Hedgemony makes some necessary points but undermines his own argument with sheer idiocy.

    He attacks the culture of spectacle and narcissism but supports the hysterical homo agenda.

    He talks about speaking truth to oligarchic power but never mentions Jews.

    He pretends Negroes are all saints and helpless victims of cops.

    He seems willfully ignorant of the fact that Galeano disavowed his own book Open Veins, aka blame it all on gringo.

    Sometimes, he makes valid points only to discredit them with his counter-recommendation.

    Take his review of Fifty Shades of Grey.

    Good argument... until he offers up Andrea Dworkin as the therapeutic alternative.

    ?????

    Sorry, but Fifty Tons of Gross is even a sicker sexual-power fantasy.

    Hmmm… I see him as next-level smart. Everything he’s ever said about corporate dominance/class struggle has always been true. Yes, he seems to contradict himself and says some looney things, but I see that merely as an effort to recruit a coalition of those most passionate and most able to effect change, who, unfortunately, already have many deeply held neoliberal ideas. Ask yourself this: if the current power dynamics is overthrown, who’s most likely to seize power and who benefits? Remember, his main thesis is that if we leave the current power structure alone, all of our grandchildren will be nothing more than disposable commodity. Everything else he “stands for” is just window dressing.

    An example of what I’m getting at is how he explains that academics are propagandists who have only risen to respectable influence because they tout the party line. Then, without a sense of irony, he talks about global warming and how that’s the corporations’ fault. He’s recruiting fighters.

  150. JW says:
    @vinteuil
    Chris Hedges?

    Must watch?

    You mean, as an exemplar of incurable stupidity & malevolence?

    Hmmm… I see him as next-level smart. Everything he’s ever said about corporate dominance/class struggle has always been true. Yes, he seems to contradict himself and says some looney things, but I see that merely as an effort to recruit a coalition of those most passionate and most able to effect change, who, unfortunately, already have many deeply held neoliberal ideas. Ask yourself this: if the current power dynamics is overthrown, who’s most likely to seize power and who benefits? Remember, his main thesis is that if we leave the current power structure alone, all of our grandchildren will be nothing more than disposable commodity. Everything else he “stands for” is just window dressing.

    An example of what I’m getting at is how he explains that academics are propagandists who have only risen to respectable influence because they tout the party line. Then, without a sense of irony, he talks about global warming and how that’s the corporations’ fault. He’s recruiting fighters.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    Wouldn't it have been simpler just to say "yeah?"
  151. @Erik Sieven
    I think this whole big butt thing is also related to the gender relations public forces are pushing everybody too. A men today is expected to be attracted by 40-60 year old strong and independent women, or by old transvestite ladies or get gay but never ever be attracted by a skinny (which is another word for normal) 19 year old girls.
    So there is this strange racial thing, because people act as if they valued black feminity while in fact black females are shunned on the partner market. The whole admiration for backness is just for black masculinity.
    And then there is the gender thing, thus the war of unequal relationships between men and women.

    The whole admiration for backness is just for black masculinity.

    Black masculinity is a joke.

  152. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Kevin Michael Grace
    Thanks to Jagger's 1968 decision to hire Allen Klein as manager, all the money generated by the Stones during the period 1964-1970 from both mechanical and publishing royalties went to Klein. It now goes to his heirs, even though he managed the group for only two years. This is one of the most disastrous business decisions in music history.

    “By the way, both Miss Minaj and Miss Swift are savvy businesswomen…”

    No, they are not.

    Their handlers, agents, and promoters are savvy business people.

    Without the handlers making them up, coaching them, and telling them what to do, where would they be? Zilch, nada.

    It’s all about the hype, and both are surrounded by an army of hype-experts who work around the clock in the industry.

    It’s the same kind of hype-marketing-artists you have in France, UK, Japan, Mexico, S. Korea, Brazil, Poland, Greece, and etc. which is why all the acts and music look and sound more or less the same.

    Really, what’s the difference between Britney Spears, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, and myriad other products and phonies?

    They are all interchangeable, something one could not say about Stevie Nicks, Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Pat Benatar, Chrissie Hynes(sic), and etc.–or even Cyndi Lauper and early madonna of the mid 80s.

    But I suppose madonna and Michael Jackson were the game-changers in that they took the Idol formula and ‘personalized’ it more than anyone who came before.

    Prior to them, the pop music entertainers, as opposed to pop music artists, were understood to be handled and controlled by the industry. They did as they were told, as they were groomed.

    As such, many tended to be docile and facile and faded away quick, like Shaun Cassidy and Olivia Newton John.

    Pop entertainers either accepted their role as shallow bubblegum acts or tried to rebel by proving that one is really an artist than a mere entertainer. Mike Nesmith of the Monkees tried to prove that he’s a genuine singer-songwriter, a real artist and not just some bubblegum act.

    In contrast, madonna took the Andy Warhol sensibility. She admitted she’s a total material girl, a formula, a package. But she felt no shame about it, no sense of inferiority complex. She exuded confidence and even impudence, as if she took control of the control the industry had over her. She shamelessly wallowed in her shallowness.

    In the 60s, the racier and edgier acts tended to be more independent and in the mode of personal-art. Dylan, Hendrix, Stones, Lennon, Buffalo Springfield, Pink Floyd, Kinks, etc. As such acts were unpredictable and sometimes controversial, the industry sought to come up with safer variations for the larger and wider audience, something they could control.
    So, the pop music entertainment stuff tended to be milder than the pop music artist stuff.

    But madonna broke out of this mold by taking pop entertainment and pushing it ever more into skanky and raunchy territory, making it ‘edgier’ and ‘dangerous’ and ‘controversial’.

    Thus, if pop entertainment music had earlier been the safer alternative to the tougher pop art rock — Kiss as teenybopper alternative to Led Zeppelin — , it began to take the lead in full raunchiness and controversy with madonna’s ever more shameless acts, especially as they developed parallel to the rise of hip hop which was custom-made for the industry since if any music was formulaic, hip hop was it.

    So, now we have Minaj who is totally an industry product but at the forefront of pushing the envelope in ‘controversy’ and raciness.
    Same with Miley Cyrus. And on TV, there is Lena Dunham and worse.
    But Butting-Edge.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Without the handlers making them up, coaching them, and telling them what to do, where would they be? Zilch, nada.
     
    So these "handlers", they just choose some untalented person at random and do their magic on her? And Swift, Minaj, etc. are just dressmakers' forms, clad in these mindbenders' slight of hand?

    It seems far likelier to me that someone like Taylor Swift would need a fairly impressive amount of natural charisma to attract attention from the sort of people you're describing, meaning that I think you've reversed the causal relation in your reasoning.
    , @peterike

    But madonna broke out of this mold by taking pop entertainment and pushing it ever more into skanky and raunchy territory, making it ‘edgier’ and ‘dangerous’ and ‘controversial’.
     
    Agreed. She's the Muhammad Ali of music. Just like Ali ruined sports by making the loudmouth braggart into an iconic type, Madonna pushed music further along the path of degeneracy. Then once the Disney types learned that could take pretty young girls, make them TV stars and then morph them into insta-skanks the moment their breasts showed up, it was all over.
  153. @JW
    Hmmm... I see him as next-level smart. Everything he's ever said about corporate dominance/class struggle has always been true. Yes, he seems to contradict himself and says some looney things, but I see that merely as an effort to recruit a coalition of those most passionate and most able to effect change, who, unfortunately, already have many deeply held neoliberal ideas. Ask yourself this: if the current power dynamics is overthrown, who's most likely to seize power and who benefits? Remember, his main thesis is that if we leave the current power structure alone, all of our grandchildren will be nothing more than disposable commodity. Everything else he "stands for" is just window dressing.

    An example of what I'm getting at is how he explains that academics are propagandists who have only risen to respectable influence because they tout the party line. Then, without a sense of irony, he talks about global warming and how that's the corporations' fault. He's recruiting fighters.

    Wouldn’t it have been simpler just to say “yeah?”

  154. @Anon
    "It also showcases a bevy of white models whose bodies are considered the standard for beauty in the fashion and lingerie industry"

    It's not the body. It's the face.

    Tell that to the most successful model, monetarily, in history. A lot of people don’t find Gisele all that attractive, but she’s made a Hell of a pile of coin.

  155. @syonredux

    From observing women in daily life as well as on the media. White women (who, like all women, are utter conformists, and almost always go with the majority in the henhouse) are being fed The Beautiful Black Male relentlessly, and they are swooning for it. Yea, open thine eyes; then shalt thou see.
     
    Yeesh.You guys need to get out more.Black-White marriages are quite rare:

    In 2007, 4.6% of all married Blacks in the United States were wed to a White partner, and 0.4% of all Whites were married to a Black partner.
     
    Internet dating:

    men
    – non-black men applied a penalty to black women
    – while black men showed little racial preference either way

    women
    – all women preferred men of their own race
    – but they otherwise penalized both Asian and black men
     
    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

    And in my crowd (super-liberal Humanities academics), none of the women have ever dated a Black guy.They are frightfully apologetic about it, saying that they are perfectly willing to date a Black man, but the opportunities simply haven't arisen, yadda-yadda....

    And in my crowd … none of the women have ever dated a [b]lack guy.

    Of course that’s true for most white women, but it doesn’t fit the ridiculous victim narrative the Heartiste-reading crowd has constructed to explain their loneliness to themselves: “It’s the black guys who are taking our women! That’s why we don’t have any! Those whores!”

    Kinda reminds me of the way perpetually aggrieved blacks complain that whites have taken all the jobs. I wonder if the comment-writer above would support affirmative dating?

    • Replies: @Deduction

    Of course that’s true for most white women, but it doesn’t fit the ridiculous victim narrative the Heartiste-reading crowd has constructed to explain their loneliness to themselves: “It’s the black guys who are taking our women! That’s why we don’t have any! Those whores!”

    Kinda reminds me of the way perpetually aggrieved blacks complain that whites have taken all the jobs. I wonder if the comment-writer above would support affirmative dating?
     
    That's an unfair characterisation of Heartiste. His advice boils down to 'don't act like a pussy and you'll get more pussy.'

    Which is not exactly an instruction to wallow in victim-hood.
    , @Whiskey
    Toleration of inter racial dating by White men depends on Whites being an overwhelming majority and lots of attractive women. Women are the most scarce and precious resource. Given that Whites are a minority in California that is where you should see the least toleration.

    Yes every White man should be immensly succesful, handsome, and charismatic and God hates him for past life sins if he is not rolling in women. How very Calvinist. Not rich? God hates you.

    I see personally in OC from none at all fifteen years ago, every day Black male, White female couples, often with mulatto kids.

    Which means one less White kid in my race aligned with me and one more Barack Obama type against me. My skin color is my uniform and I can't change my race. Not a problem in 89% White Amerca of 1940 or even 80% White America in 1980. Definitely a problem in California that is White minority.

    Game is of course the only real weapon against women sliding to r selection. It won't change the illegitimacy of kids but better for Whites an illegitimate White kd vs a mulatto one or no kid at all. Given no margin of error in a rapidly declining White population in a diverse natiion.
  156. @Priss Factor
    “By the way, both Miss Minaj and Miss Swift are savvy businesswomen…”

    No, they are not.

    Their handlers, agents, and promoters are savvy business people.

    Without the handlers making them up, coaching them, and telling them what to do, where would they be? Zilch, nada.

    It's all about the hype, and both are surrounded by an army of hype-experts who work around the clock in the industry.

    It's the same kind of hype-marketing-artists you have in France, UK, Japan, Mexico, S. Korea, Brazil, Poland, Greece, and etc. which is why all the acts and music look and sound more or less the same.

    Really, what's the difference between Britney Spears, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, and myriad other products and phonies?

    They are all interchangeable, something one could not say about Stevie Nicks, Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Pat Benatar, Chrissie Hynes(sic), and etc.--or even Cyndi Lauper and early madonna of the mid 80s.

    But I suppose madonna and Michael Jackson were the game-changers in that they took the Idol formula and 'personalized' it more than anyone who came before.

    Prior to them, the pop music entertainers, as opposed to pop music artists, were understood to be handled and controlled by the industry. They did as they were told, as they were groomed.

    As such, many tended to be docile and facile and faded away quick, like Shaun Cassidy and Olivia Newton John.

    Pop entertainers either accepted their role as shallow bubblegum acts or tried to rebel by proving that one is really an artist than a mere entertainer. Mike Nesmith of the Monkees tried to prove that he's a genuine singer-songwriter, a real artist and not just some bubblegum act.

    In contrast, madonna took the Andy Warhol sensibility. She admitted she's a total material girl, a formula, a package. But she felt no shame about it, no sense of inferiority complex. She exuded confidence and even impudence, as if she took control of the control the industry had over her. She shamelessly wallowed in her shallowness.

    In the 60s, the racier and edgier acts tended to be more independent and in the mode of personal-art. Dylan, Hendrix, Stones, Lennon, Buffalo Springfield, Pink Floyd, Kinks, etc. As such acts were unpredictable and sometimes controversial, the industry sought to come up with safer variations for the larger and wider audience, something they could control.
    So, the pop music entertainment stuff tended to be milder than the pop music artist stuff.

    But madonna broke out of this mold by taking pop entertainment and pushing it ever more into skanky and raunchy territory, making it 'edgier' and 'dangerous' and 'controversial'.

    Thus, if pop entertainment music had earlier been the safer alternative to the tougher pop art rock --- Kiss as teenybopper alternative to Led Zeppelin --- , it began to take the lead in full raunchiness and controversy with madonna's ever more shameless acts, especially as they developed parallel to the rise of hip hop which was custom-made for the industry since if any music was formulaic, hip hop was it.

    So, now we have Minaj who is totally an industry product but at the forefront of pushing the envelope in 'controversy' and raciness.
    Same with Miley Cyrus. And on TV, there is Lena Dunham and worse.
    But Butting-Edge.

    Without the handlers making them up, coaching them, and telling them what to do, where would they be? Zilch, nada.

    So these “handlers”, they just choose some untalented person at random and do their magic on her? And Swift, Minaj, etc. are just dressmakers’ forms, clad in these mindbenders’ slight of hand?

    It seems far likelier to me that someone like Taylor Swift would need a fairly impressive amount of natural charisma to attract attention from the sort of people you’re describing, meaning that I think you’ve reversed the causal relation in your reasoning.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "So these “handlers”, they just choose some untalented person at random and do their magic on her? And Swift, Minaj, etc. are just dressmakers’ forms, clad in these mindbenders’ slight of hand?"

    No, obviously the performers have SOME talent. But it's not substantive talent. It's more about image than the music, more about style and presentation than substance and composition.

    Take away Minaj's booty, and what do you have? Anaconda is hardly a song. It' s just accompaniment rhythm to a butt-fest.

    As for Swift, she is not without talent, but it's the sort of generic talent that is actually common in the music industry. She is replaceable, like all those models.

    Lose Bob Dylan and you can't find another.
    Lose Joni Mitchell and you can't find another.

    But lose Shaun Cassidy or Olivia Newton John, and you can find another and another and another and another.

    Now, I like some Cassidy songs and Newton-John had some good ones too.
    But they were not singular talents like Stevie Nicks. (On occasion, the fluffy entertainer can show major talent on occasion. Karen Carpenter mostly sang pap but some of her versions are for all time, especially 'Superstar' that is out of this world. And some pap-pop is so good that is really one of a kind. I think of Dancing Queen by Abba.)

    If Taylor Swift were to die today, there would another clone, almost just as good, maybe not as good, or better. Anyway, her thing is an act, a shtick. And notice she is a follower of trends, not a creator like Dylan or Mitchell who were ahead of the pack and didn't much care what anyone thought.

    When people told Dylan, 'lead us, we will f0llow', he told them to get lost.

    George Harrison wasn't a major talent, but he too decided on his own thing. When he saw the hippies in San Fran, he felt grossed out and didn't want any of that.

    There was something real and genuine about these people.

    In contrast, Minaj and Swift are attention & approval hogs.

    Minaj should really be the butt of jokes, but we are living in an age when American Culture is represented by 'twerking', which is just humping motions to music.

    Her act is just dumb. It reminds me of a joke some Greek kid told me in 7th grade.

    "There's some guy who can't eat through his mouth anymore, so the doctor told him to eat through his anus. One day, he's wiggling his ass on his seat, and someone asks him, 'what are you doing now?' The guy says 'I'm chewing gum'."

    We now live in an Afro-ass-centric world. Our culture is literally all about the butt. This dumb moronic black woman wants cultural recognition and approval for her act that amounts to sticking her ass in the camera.

    Pathetic.

    We got rappers yapping, 'suck my dick', and we got black ho's hollering, 'my butt so big'.

    Birth of a Nation was a very prophetic movie. 100 yrs later and black culture turned out as Griffith predicted.
    , @Former Darfur
    I'm no expert on TS but I think her father worked pretty hard to get her going. That was very much the case with country canaries Martina McBride and LeAnn Rimes.

    Rimes' father started a side business, sort of in the mold of tractor maker Ferrucio Lamborghini, of building tour buses when he thought established tour bus makers were gouging entertainers.
    , @Former Darfur
    Very few people become megastars on their own without skilled "handlers". Madonna is the only example that comes to recent memoory, female or male. Like her or not, she masterminded and carried the whole thing off on her own bat.

    These people cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. You have to have some talent, generally you have to bring something to the table, or several somethings. But there is a lot of talent, much more than is generally realized out there. Most of it never gets out of Peoria.

    Megastars are usually manufactured when the right combination of talent and other assets exists to fill a certain industry need. Michael jackson was already a successful R&B artist, but he had no mainstream white fan base beyond a few people wo remembered the jackson Five, until radio needed a black artist they could play on white markets because they were afraid of rumblings from the usual trouble sources on how blacks were "discriminated" yada yada. The right arrangers, studio engineers and so forth wre brought in and Michael was huge, but he did have something they could leverage. These handlers can not create a craze where nothing exists. Most of the time even they fail. But when they hit, as with Michael, they are primed and prepared to ride the wave all the way.

    Pop culture business is not a certain thing on any one roll of the dice: the biggies work on the principle of the casino. They have the odds stacked in their favor and the longer people play the more their success conforms to the statistics.
  157. @Priss Factor
    “By the way, both Miss Minaj and Miss Swift are savvy businesswomen…”

    No, they are not.

    Their handlers, agents, and promoters are savvy business people.

    Without the handlers making them up, coaching them, and telling them what to do, where would they be? Zilch, nada.

    It's all about the hype, and both are surrounded by an army of hype-experts who work around the clock in the industry.

    It's the same kind of hype-marketing-artists you have in France, UK, Japan, Mexico, S. Korea, Brazil, Poland, Greece, and etc. which is why all the acts and music look and sound more or less the same.

    Really, what's the difference between Britney Spears, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift, and myriad other products and phonies?

    They are all interchangeable, something one could not say about Stevie Nicks, Carole King, Joni Mitchell, Pat Benatar, Chrissie Hynes(sic), and etc.--or even Cyndi Lauper and early madonna of the mid 80s.

    But I suppose madonna and Michael Jackson were the game-changers in that they took the Idol formula and 'personalized' it more than anyone who came before.

    Prior to them, the pop music entertainers, as opposed to pop music artists, were understood to be handled and controlled by the industry. They did as they were told, as they were groomed.

    As such, many tended to be docile and facile and faded away quick, like Shaun Cassidy and Olivia Newton John.

    Pop entertainers either accepted their role as shallow bubblegum acts or tried to rebel by proving that one is really an artist than a mere entertainer. Mike Nesmith of the Monkees tried to prove that he's a genuine singer-songwriter, a real artist and not just some bubblegum act.

    In contrast, madonna took the Andy Warhol sensibility. She admitted she's a total material girl, a formula, a package. But she felt no shame about it, no sense of inferiority complex. She exuded confidence and even impudence, as if she took control of the control the industry had over her. She shamelessly wallowed in her shallowness.

    In the 60s, the racier and edgier acts tended to be more independent and in the mode of personal-art. Dylan, Hendrix, Stones, Lennon, Buffalo Springfield, Pink Floyd, Kinks, etc. As such acts were unpredictable and sometimes controversial, the industry sought to come up with safer variations for the larger and wider audience, something they could control.
    So, the pop music entertainment stuff tended to be milder than the pop music artist stuff.

    But madonna broke out of this mold by taking pop entertainment and pushing it ever more into skanky and raunchy territory, making it 'edgier' and 'dangerous' and 'controversial'.

    Thus, if pop entertainment music had earlier been the safer alternative to the tougher pop art rock --- Kiss as teenybopper alternative to Led Zeppelin --- , it began to take the lead in full raunchiness and controversy with madonna's ever more shameless acts, especially as they developed parallel to the rise of hip hop which was custom-made for the industry since if any music was formulaic, hip hop was it.

    So, now we have Minaj who is totally an industry product but at the forefront of pushing the envelope in 'controversy' and raciness.
    Same with Miley Cyrus. And on TV, there is Lena Dunham and worse.
    But Butting-Edge.

    But madonna broke out of this mold by taking pop entertainment and pushing it ever more into skanky and raunchy territory, making it ‘edgier’ and ‘dangerous’ and ‘controversial’.

    Agreed. She’s the Muhammad Ali of music. Just like Ali ruined sports by making the loudmouth braggart into an iconic type, Madonna pushed music further along the path of degeneracy. Then once the Disney types learned that could take pretty young girls, make them TV stars and then morph them into insta-skanks the moment their breasts showed up, it was all over.

  158. @BobX
    Everything new is old.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhKDV0QN4ew
    http://www.queenwords.com/lyrics/songs/sng11_04.shtml

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YO4f011nY5U/T-CU_Gs7cOI/AAAAAAAACqQ/wgov8ZYtCDQ/s1600/marilyn_monroe_beach_back.jpg

    I’ll see your Queen and raise you an earlier Spinal Tap!

    Talk about mudflaps, my girl’s got ’em!

  159. @syonredux

    From observing women in daily life as well as on the media. White women (who, like all women, are utter conformists, and almost always go with the majority in the henhouse) are being fed The Beautiful Black Male relentlessly, and they are swooning for it. Yea, open thine eyes; then shalt thou see.
     
    Yeesh.You guys need to get out more.Black-White marriages are quite rare:

    In 2007, 4.6% of all married Blacks in the United States were wed to a White partner, and 0.4% of all Whites were married to a Black partner.
     
    Internet dating:

    men
    – non-black men applied a penalty to black women
    – while black men showed little racial preference either way

    women
    – all women preferred men of their own race
    – but they otherwise penalized both Asian and black men
     
    http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/

    And in my crowd (super-liberal Humanities academics), none of the women have ever dated a Black guy.They are frightfully apologetic about it, saying that they are perfectly willing to date a Black man, but the opportunities simply haven't arisen, yadda-yadda....

    Some afternoons there are no adults in charge at the gym I work out at, and today the kiddies had the televisions tuned to some channel called E, which was showing the latest atrocities of Klan Kardashian. The ads were almost all for the network’s upcoming programming, and from the looks of things there are no white women dating anyone but black guys.

    The Mudshark Network.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Some afternoons there are no adults in charge at the gym I work out at, and today the kiddies had the televisions tuned to some channel called E, which was showing the latest atrocities of Klan Kardashian. The ads were almost all for the network’s upcoming programming, and from the looks of things there are no white women dating anyone but black guys.

    The Mudshark Network.
     
    The MSM love to deal in fantasy (cf the much-beloved trope of the Black genius computer hacker).Statistics , however, are stubborn things.And statistics tell us that very few White women are marrying/dating Black men.
  160. @Brutusale
    Some afternoons there are no adults in charge at the gym I work out at, and today the kiddies had the televisions tuned to some channel called E, which was showing the latest atrocities of Klan Kardashian. The ads were almost all for the network's upcoming programming, and from the looks of things there are no white women dating anyone but black guys.

    The Mudshark Network.

    Some afternoons there are no adults in charge at the gym I work out at, and today the kiddies had the televisions tuned to some channel called E, which was showing the latest atrocities of Klan Kardashian. The ads were almost all for the network’s upcoming programming, and from the looks of things there are no white women dating anyone but black guys.

    The Mudshark Network.

    The MSM love to deal in fantasy (cf the much-beloved trope of the Black genius computer hacker).Statistics , however, are stubborn things.And statistics tell us that very few White women are marrying/dating Black men.

    • Replies: @anon
    The critical point is the media are choosing to promote one and only one particular kind of pairing. It's just one aspect of the media's anti-white racism.
  161. @Mark Minter
    I would love to have a blog listed on the neoreaction aggregators but the quality of the writers humbles me and they continuously display to me why those bloggers are some of the best in the internet.

    Today's example comes from EvolutionX.

    White Women’s Tears
    https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/white-womens-tears/

    This spat between white women and black women on twitter started with the BlackLivesMatter deal at the campaign event for Bernie Sanders and O'malley. With White women bitching about the divisive behavior and that if it weren't for White Feminists then Black women wouldn't have the rights they have. And blacks saying the Dems have to earn their vote and not take them for granted, like Malcolm X told them to do. So then all of this with the MTV stuff.

    So then EvolutionX creatively shows why White Women Cry and why Black Women Don't, because Neoteny.

    White women had white men and they lived in the north where the winters were hard. And the men died at a higher rate than women due to the weather and hunting. So there was a surplus of women. So Neoteny, the instinct to select the younger looking woman for fecundity. And also the younger acting woman. So white women evolved to use tears and the women that used tears tended to survive and have more offspring. Black women had black men, R selected mating, low male investment, a climate where the woman could forage or whatever to feed children. So no Neoteny, actually none, black women have the least neoteny of any women on the planet. And that is why nobody wants them relative to every other race.

    And black women have no tolerance for white women tears. And they hate them, especially ones that look like Taylor Swift.

    I love all this because of not only the "circular firing squad". This, the BlackLivesMatter thing, and there was another essay published about some DC tank girl who got roughed up on the Blue Line by three black girls, all say to white women, "Look, girls, your natural ally, when all is said and done, the people that have and will protect you, insure your security and welfare, and if necessary fight for you, just like we have for tens of thousands of years,....

    is White Men.

    And no one else will.

    And who, at 17, first got noticed with a song about teardrops on a guitar?…

  162. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Daniel Williams

    Without the handlers making them up, coaching them, and telling them what to do, where would they be? Zilch, nada.
     
    So these "handlers", they just choose some untalented person at random and do their magic on her? And Swift, Minaj, etc. are just dressmakers' forms, clad in these mindbenders' slight of hand?

    It seems far likelier to me that someone like Taylor Swift would need a fairly impressive amount of natural charisma to attract attention from the sort of people you're describing, meaning that I think you've reversed the causal relation in your reasoning.

    “So these “handlers”, they just choose some untalented person at random and do their magic on her? And Swift, Minaj, etc. are just dressmakers’ forms, clad in these mindbenders’ slight of hand?”

    No, obviously the performers have SOME talent. But it’s not substantive talent. It’s more about image than the music, more about style and presentation than substance and composition.

    Take away Minaj’s booty, and what do you have? Anaconda is hardly a song. It’ s just accompaniment rhythm to a butt-fest.

    As for Swift, she is not without talent, but it’s the sort of generic talent that is actually common in the music industry. She is replaceable, like all those models.

    Lose Bob Dylan and you can’t find another.
    Lose Joni Mitchell and you can’t find another.

    But lose Shaun Cassidy or Olivia Newton John, and you can find another and another and another and another.

    Now, I like some Cassidy songs and Newton-John had some good ones too.
    But they were not singular talents like Stevie Nicks. (On occasion, the fluffy entertainer can show major talent on occasion. Karen Carpenter mostly sang pap but some of her versions are for all time, especially ‘Superstar’ that is out of this world. And some pap-pop is so good that is really one of a kind. I think of Dancing Queen by Abba.)

    If Taylor Swift were to die today, there would another clone, almost just as good, maybe not as good, or better. Anyway, her thing is an act, a shtick. And notice she is a follower of trends, not a creator like Dylan or Mitchell who were ahead of the pack and didn’t much care what anyone thought.

    When people told Dylan, ‘lead us, we will f0llow’, he told them to get lost.

    George Harrison wasn’t a major talent, but he too decided on his own thing. When he saw the hippies in San Fran, he felt grossed out and didn’t want any of that.

    There was something real and genuine about these people.

    In contrast, Minaj and Swift are attention & approval hogs.

    Minaj should really be the butt of jokes, but we are living in an age when American Culture is represented by ‘twerking’, which is just humping motions to music.

    Her act is just dumb. It reminds me of a joke some Greek kid told me in 7th grade.

    “There’s some guy who can’t eat through his mouth anymore, so the doctor told him to eat through his anus. One day, he’s wiggling his ass on his seat, and someone asks him, ‘what are you doing now?’ The guy says ‘I’m chewing gum’.”

    We now live in an Afro-ass-centric world. Our culture is literally all about the butt. This dumb moronic black woman wants cultural recognition and approval for her act that amounts to sticking her ass in the camera.

    Pathetic.

    We got rappers yapping, ‘suck my dick’, and we got black ho’s hollering, ‘my butt so big’.

    Birth of a Nation was a very prophetic movie. 100 yrs later and black culture turned out as Griffith predicted.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Lose Bob Dylan and people of my generation can’t find another.
     
    Corrected for you. We're talking about pop music. It's generationally-bound. You love Dylan, Auster loved Dylan, my folks love Dylan—great. My grandchildren will never know his name. And you're saying the same things about Taylor Swift that old people said about Joni Mitchell when you were young.

    Grown so fast
    Like the turn of a page
    We look like our mothers did now
    When we were those kids' age
    , @Anonymous
    I agree with you, except Bob Dylan is terrible.
  163. @Big Bill
    The first thing I thought about when watching Nikki was Josephine Baker and her Parisian banana dancing. I think Miss Baker may be the earliest twerker on celluloid.

    The other thought was that caveman movie (Quest for Fire? Clan of the Cave Bear?) in which the sensitive cavewoman from another tribe got her caveman partner to switch from Minaj-position to missionary-position in a touching and romantic scene.

    Some cultures focus on the face, others on the hind parts.

    Which is the reason for the media’s promotion of the big butt theme – just another example of flight from white.

  164. @anon

    Never thought of her as “hot”
     
    She looks like a boy.

    She looks like a boy.

    “A boy with tits” was my father’s comment to a 1970s TV interview with Debbie Harry in which she was compared to the late Marilyn Monroe. Dad (who lived through Marilynmania and once saw her, from afar, in an airport, thought MM was a slutty and crazy woman, but she was physically, and in onscreen behavior, the extreme essence of femininity in his opinion. One of the few of his opinions I had to agree with, or at least the feminine and shapely part. She wasn’t as promiscuous or as crazy as he believed, I now think. Dad thought Harry was a somewhat intelligent but not naturally especially feminine woman who had concocted a persona guys would go for, although her kind of music was not appealing to people his age.

    Taylor Swift follows the Debbie Harry model more, except that because of natural precocity and a supportive family she got started much younger. She understands it’s showbiz and that she has created a persona she portrays. But she has to do it full time, onstage and off. Swift has a reasonably well trained voice (by modern standards) and like Madonna has well crafted commercial pop songs, albeit with artificial country flavoring in her earlier work. She’s also quite tall, which makes her appear less curvy. Her music does not appeal much to me, nor to many other people over, say, 35, but it doesn’t have to.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Taylor Swift is also extremely hard working in being nice to her fans. I talk about how I saw Oprah do it in 1987, where as people shuffled past her on airplane she just turned the full force of her personality on each fan for about 10 seconds. Those ladies walked away glowing, feeling like they had made a real personal connection with the Big O. Apparently, Swift does the same thing with all the 13 year old girls who idolize her, and does it a lot of hours per week.
    , @Former Darfur
    Guys in most of the Anglosphere and in Japan and part of Europe did indeed go for Debbie's persona, but over here, her fan base is nerdy/geeky girls and homosexual males. Guys over here, to the extent they went for female singers at all-American teenage boys want their girls to not be onstage, apparently, in my generation no "cool" rock act had a frontwoman-went for Pat Benatar or maybe Stevie Nicks. Harry was considered weird and Blondie a pop act to be avoided. Chrissie Hynde and her Pretenders were a little more popular because she played guitar and swore a lot, but even so not that much.

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the first blonde "rock" (ahem) music/media figure promoted in America, Nancy Sinatra, has to all appearances a completely nonexistent derriere. She has a decent bustline but her back goes in a straight line all the way to her legs, and unlike other pop-rockish songbirds of the time like Jackie deShannon, publicity and cover photos of ms. Sinatra are careful to avoid showing her rear end off as much as possible. Even her miniskirts always were made with waistline fluff to obscure this.

    I remember commenting on this when she took it all off for Playboy in the nineties. You see all of her, except for the airbrushed heavy muff hair supposedly after her father leaned on Hef, and her buttocks.

    Apparently it runs in the family because Frank himself was noted for having his sailor suits padded in the rear because he was self-conscious about having no gluteal development. I recall the Tamborelli book mentions that, but as I remember did not allege he had to have girdle-undies so his tackle didn't protrude in front: that was George Jacobs' memoirs, which I tend to distrust due to the involvement of Stadiem, a known liar.
  165. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    Incidentally, Steve, I'm not sure that "circular firing squad" quite conveys what's going on here.I know that you intend to invoke an image of self-destruction (circular firing squads pose certain difficulties in terms of collateral damage....), but I don't see much sign of that.

    No, this is more an example of policing the boundaries.White woman like Swift need to be periodically reminded of intersectionality. Swift is a White, hetero, Cis-Woman.That puts her behind Minaj (who is a Black-South Asian, hetero, Cis-woman) in the victimhood pecking order.Swift needs to check her privilege and do more to help her sisters (both Cis and Trans) of Color....

    I’m not sure that “circular firing squad” quite conveys what’s going on here.

    Yes, seems to me more like the Girondin/Mountain/Jacobin thing during the French Revolution.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin

    (didn’t know this but it says the Jacobins started in Brittany which makes me wonder if there was an element of coalition of minorities against the majority in France as there was in Russia)

  166. @Daniel Williams

    Without the handlers making them up, coaching them, and telling them what to do, where would they be? Zilch, nada.
     
    So these "handlers", they just choose some untalented person at random and do their magic on her? And Swift, Minaj, etc. are just dressmakers' forms, clad in these mindbenders' slight of hand?

    It seems far likelier to me that someone like Taylor Swift would need a fairly impressive amount of natural charisma to attract attention from the sort of people you're describing, meaning that I think you've reversed the causal relation in your reasoning.

    I’m no expert on TS but I think her father worked pretty hard to get her going. That was very much the case with country canaries Martina McBride and LeAnn Rimes.

    Rimes’ father started a side business, sort of in the mold of tractor maker Ferrucio Lamborghini, of building tour buses when he thought established tour bus makers were gouging entertainers.

  167. @syonredux

    Some afternoons there are no adults in charge at the gym I work out at, and today the kiddies had the televisions tuned to some channel called E, which was showing the latest atrocities of Klan Kardashian. The ads were almost all for the network’s upcoming programming, and from the looks of things there are no white women dating anyone but black guys.

    The Mudshark Network.
     
    The MSM love to deal in fantasy (cf the much-beloved trope of the Black genius computer hacker).Statistics , however, are stubborn things.And statistics tell us that very few White women are marrying/dating Black men.

    The critical point is the media are choosing to promote one and only one particular kind of pairing. It’s just one aspect of the media’s anti-white racism.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The critical point is the media are choosing to promote one and only one particular kind of pairing.
     
    Only one kind? I beg to differ.
    , @syonredux

    The critical point is the media are choosing to promote one and only one particular kind of pairing. It’s just one aspect of the media’s anti-white racism.
     
    Well, in the case of Black man-White woman pairings, it's not working.The stats show that very few White women date/marry Black men.

    Also worthy of note: Black men dating White women makes Black women unbelievably angry....

    Also worthy of note: The MSM have recently gone for White Man-Black Woman pairings as well.Cf shows like Sleepy Hollow, Scandal*, etc


    * A representative moment from Scandal:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWljVOix2wo
  168. @Former Darfur
    She looks like a boy.

    "A boy with tits" was my father's comment to a 1970s TV interview with Debbie Harry in which she was compared to the late Marilyn Monroe. Dad (who lived through Marilynmania and once saw her, from afar, in an airport, thought MM was a slutty and crazy woman, but she was physically, and in onscreen behavior, the extreme essence of femininity in his opinion. One of the few of his opinions I had to agree with, or at least the feminine and shapely part. She wasn't as promiscuous or as crazy as he believed, I now think. Dad thought Harry was a somewhat intelligent but not naturally especially feminine woman who had concocted a persona guys would go for, although her kind of music was not appealing to people his age.

    Taylor Swift follows the Debbie Harry model more, except that because of natural precocity and a supportive family she got started much younger. She understands it's showbiz and that she has created a persona she portrays. But she has to do it full time, onstage and off. Swift has a reasonably well trained voice (by modern standards) and like Madonna has well crafted commercial pop songs, albeit with artificial country flavoring in her earlier work. She's also quite tall, which makes her appear less curvy. Her music does not appeal much to me, nor to many other people over, say, 35, but it doesn't have to.

    Taylor Swift is also extremely hard working in being nice to her fans. I talk about how I saw Oprah do it in 1987, where as people shuffled past her on airplane she just turned the full force of her personality on each fan for about 10 seconds. Those ladies walked away glowing, feeling like they had made a real personal connection with the Big O. Apparently, Swift does the same thing with all the 13 year old girls who idolize her, and does it a lot of hours per week.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    The Lumpengentsia seems to be turning on Miss Swift:

    But there are notes to Swift’s takeover that feel like they will always have a net-negative rather than positive for women growing up in our already complicated world. I was an anxious, insecure teen girl once, and probably would have been a Taylor Swift fan then, had she been around. But instead I was raised on the messiness of the Spice Girls, the brashness of No Doubt, the open playfulness of Missy Elliot. Taylor Swift may as well be a man for all the progress she’s making for womanhood in comparison.

    Lena Dunham said her experience on stage with Swift’s model friends made her feel chubby and short, and you have to wonder if someone in Dunham’s position feels that way, preteens and young women watching all this immaculate perfection probably feel even worse. A huge part of growing up female means battling with feelings of inadequacy, loneliness, and acceptance—of oneself and next to other women—and if the biggest model for that womanhood right now can’t even acknowledge intersectional feminism without getting aggressive and barbed, then is she really working for empowerment of women? Or is her priority empowering Taylor Swift?
     

    If female empowerment was really so important to Swift as a pop star, she’d bring to the stage her astrophysicist friends, she’d have an all-female backing band like Charli XCX, she’d give speeches about intersectionality instead of “how to not feel damaged,” or maybe—if none of that sounds up her alley or workable for her current scheme to success—she’d just relax a little. There are already enough pressures for our gender to deal with—the exaggerated kingdom-building is only going to create and aggravate more anxiety.
     
    http://gawker.com/taylor-swift-is-not-your-friend-1717745581
    , @syonredux

    I was an anxious, insecure teen girl once, and probably would have been a Taylor Swift fan then, had she been around. But instead I was raised on the messiness of the Spice Girls, the brashness of No Doubt, the open playfulness of Missy Elliot. Taylor Swift may as well be a man for all the progress she’s making for womanhood in comparison.
     
    You've really got to wonder about a woman who praises the pro-Feminist cred of the Spice Girls.After all, they were a purely corporate creation.
  169. @Daniel Williams

    And in my crowd ... none of the women have ever dated a [b]lack guy.
     
    Of course that's true for most white women, but it doesn't fit the ridiculous victim narrative the Heartiste-reading crowd has constructed to explain their loneliness to themselves: "It's the black guys who are taking our women! That's why we don't have any! Those whores!"

    Kinda reminds me of the way perpetually aggrieved blacks complain that whites have taken all the jobs. I wonder if the comment-writer above would support affirmative dating?

    Of course that’s true for most white women, but it doesn’t fit the ridiculous victim narrative the Heartiste-reading crowd has constructed to explain their loneliness to themselves: “It’s the black guys who are taking our women! That’s why we don’t have any! Those whores!”

    Kinda reminds me of the way perpetually aggrieved blacks complain that whites have taken all the jobs. I wonder if the comment-writer above would support affirmative dating?

    That’s an unfair characterisation of Heartiste. His advice boils down to ‘don’t act like a pussy and you’ll get more pussy.’

    Which is not exactly an instruction to wallow in victim-hood.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    That’s an unfair characterisation of Heartiste.
     
    Maybe the site's changed. Last I remember, it was just a guy writing fan fiction about himself for other borderline autistics.
  170. @Former Darfur
    She looks like a boy.

    "A boy with tits" was my father's comment to a 1970s TV interview with Debbie Harry in which she was compared to the late Marilyn Monroe. Dad (who lived through Marilynmania and once saw her, from afar, in an airport, thought MM was a slutty and crazy woman, but she was physically, and in onscreen behavior, the extreme essence of femininity in his opinion. One of the few of his opinions I had to agree with, or at least the feminine and shapely part. She wasn't as promiscuous or as crazy as he believed, I now think. Dad thought Harry was a somewhat intelligent but not naturally especially feminine woman who had concocted a persona guys would go for, although her kind of music was not appealing to people his age.

    Taylor Swift follows the Debbie Harry model more, except that because of natural precocity and a supportive family she got started much younger. She understands it's showbiz and that she has created a persona she portrays. But she has to do it full time, onstage and off. Swift has a reasonably well trained voice (by modern standards) and like Madonna has well crafted commercial pop songs, albeit with artificial country flavoring in her earlier work. She's also quite tall, which makes her appear less curvy. Her music does not appeal much to me, nor to many other people over, say, 35, but it doesn't have to.

    Guys in most of the Anglosphere and in Japan and part of Europe did indeed go for Debbie’s persona, but over here, her fan base is nerdy/geeky girls and homosexual males. Guys over here, to the extent they went for female singers at all-American teenage boys want their girls to not be onstage, apparently, in my generation no “cool” rock act had a frontwoman-went for Pat Benatar or maybe Stevie Nicks. Harry was considered weird and Blondie a pop act to be avoided. Chrissie Hynde and her Pretenders were a little more popular because she played guitar and swore a lot, but even so not that much.

    I’m surprised no one has mentioned that the first blonde “rock” (ahem) music/media figure promoted in America, Nancy Sinatra, has to all appearances a completely nonexistent derriere. She has a decent bustline but her back goes in a straight line all the way to her legs, and unlike other pop-rockish songbirds of the time like Jackie deShannon, publicity and cover photos of ms. Sinatra are careful to avoid showing her rear end off as much as possible. Even her miniskirts always were made with waistline fluff to obscure this.

    I remember commenting on this when she took it all off for Playboy in the nineties. You see all of her, except for the airbrushed heavy muff hair supposedly after her father leaned on Hef, and her buttocks.

    Apparently it runs in the family because Frank himself was noted for having his sailor suits padded in the rear because he was self-conscious about having no gluteal development. I recall the Tamborelli book mentions that, but as I remember did not allege he had to have girdle-undies so his tackle didn’t protrude in front: that was George Jacobs’ memoirs, which I tend to distrust due to the involvement of Stadiem, a known liar.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    Taylor Swift has a huge and dedicated fan-base of fifteen year old girls and gays.

    The further the fan is from these two cores, the more broken is the individual.

    It certainly isn't parents or boys buying this stuff. Although everyone can appreciate a slickly made pop song.

    This really is the type of anodyne, feel good, cocooning music young women love these days.
  171. @syonredux
    Swift's background:

    Taylor Swift was born on December 13, 1989 in Reading, Pennsylvania.[1][2][3] She was named after singer James Taylor.[4] Her father, Scott Kingsley Swift, is a Merrill Lynch financial adviser;[5][6] he was raised in Pennsylvania, and is the descendant of three generations of bank presidents.[7][8] Her mother, Andrea Gardner (Finlay) Swift,[9][10] is a homemaker who previously worked as a mutual fund marketing executive.[11] Swift's mother, though American, spent the first 10 years of her life in Singapore, before returning to the U.S. and settling in Texas; her own father was an engineer who worked throughout southeast Asia.[8] Swift has a younger brother named Austin.[12]

    Swift spent the early years of her life on a Christmas-tree farm in Cumru Township, Pennsylvania.[13][14] She attended preschool and kindergarten at the Alvernia Montessori School, run by Franciscan nuns,[15] before moving to the Wyndcroft School, a co-ed private school.[16] Swift and her brother were raised in the Presbyterian faith, and attended vacation bible school every summer.[17][18] When Swift was nine years old, the family moved to a rented house in the suburban town of Wyomissing, Pennsylvania.[19] She attended West Reading Elementary Center and Wyomissing Area Junior/Senior High School there.[20] Swift summered at her parents' waterfront vacation home in Stone Harbor, New Jersey, and described it as the place "where most of my childhood memories were formed."[21]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Swift

    Swift's ancestry:

    Ethnicity: German, English, some Scottish, Irish, Northern Irish (Scots-Irish), Welsh, 1/16th Italian, as well as distant French, Swedish, Dutch, and Belgian (Walloon)

    Taylor Swift is an American singer, songwriter, and actress.

    Taylor is descended from a number of German immigrants to the United States, in the 1800s and earlier. Some of her ancestral lines also trace back to Colonial America of the 1600s, and to English immigrants of that time period. Her other ancestry includes smaller amounts of Scottish, Irish, Northern Irish (Scots-Irish), Welsh, 1/16th Italian, and distant roots in France, Sweden, The Netherlands, and Belgium (with Walloon ancestors).

    Her “Swift” lines traces back to a William Swift, born in Bocking, Essex, England, c. 1619.

    Taylor’s paternal grandfather is Lt. Col. Archie Dean Swift, Jr. (the son of Archie Dean Swift and Bernice Maude Thompson). Taylor’s great-grandfather Archie was the son of Charles Julius Swift and Josephine Reno. Bernice was the daughter of Wilbur Willard Thompson and Barbara Maria Jane Kingsley.

    Taylor’s paternal grandmother is Rose Baldi Douglas (the daughter of Charles Gwynn Douglas and Louise Eurindine Baldi). Charles was the son of Charles Douglass and Mary Jane Gwynn. Louise was the daughter of Charles Carmine Antonio Baldi, an Italian man, born in Castelnuovo Cilento, Italy, and of his wife, Louisa Eurindine Sobernheimer, who was born in Pennsylvania, to German parents, Frederick Sobernheimer and Catherine Z. Thus, Taylor Swift is of 1/16th Italian ancestry.

    Taylor’s maternal grandfather is Robert Bruce Finlay (the son of Lancelot “Lance” George Finlay and Eleanor “Ella” A. Mayer/Meyer). Lancelot was born in Southampton, England, to a Scottish-born father, George Finlay, and an Irish-born mother, Emma Lynch. Eleanor was the daughter of German parents, Julius Mayer and Delia Gunther.

    Taylor’s maternal grandmother is Marjorie Moehlenkamp (the daughter of Elmer Henry Moehlenkamp and Cora Lee Morrow). Elmer was the son of Henry Johann/John Moehlenkamp and Emma Anna Eterina Bruns, who were of German descent. Cora was the daughter of Sanford Hewitt Morrow and Sallie Wells Faulkner.
     
    http://ethnicelebs.com/taylor-swift

    Taylor is an Italian hexadecaroon? Is she related to William Faulkner?

  172. @anon
    The critical point is the media are choosing to promote one and only one particular kind of pairing. It's just one aspect of the media's anti-white racism.

    The critical point is the media are choosing to promote one and only one particular kind of pairing.

    Only one kind? I beg to differ.

    • Replies: @anon
    Fair point. The people promoting the anti-white* narrative promote homosexual pairings as well regardless of color - basically they support anything that might reduce the number of white children.

    (* although it could be anti-majority)
  173. I would happily do Miss Swift and then enjoy hearing her sing a song about what a bad man I am.

    I wouldn’t go near Miss Minaj and her brobdingnagian ass.

    The IQs of men are inversely proportional to the size of their women’s butts.

    I claim the above axiom in the spirit of Moynihan and his Canadian Border.

  174. @Reg Cæsar

    The critical point is the media are choosing to promote one and only one particular kind of pairing.
     
    Only one kind? I beg to differ.

    Fair point. The people promoting the anti-white* narrative promote homosexual pairings as well regardless of color – basically they support anything that might reduce the number of white children.

    (* although it could be anti-majority)

  175. @Jack D
    I think you must have mixed up some porn site with Wikipedia. There was no such orgy. This is what actually happened: a couple of African exchange students were taking a couple of Chinese girls that they picked up at a Christmas party back to their dorms. The security guard at the campus gates accused the girls of being ho's (for wanting to sleep with black men) and wouldn't let them enter the campus. The African students didn't like the idea of their dates being called ho's for racist reasons and this lead to a brawl breaking out. Then a false rumor spread that a Chinese man had been killed by Africans and the Chinese tried to lock hundreds of African students into their dorm and set fire to it. Etc.

    In other words, this was the classic setup of a racist pogrom or lynching - fear that the other more virile race is defiling your women, wild rumors and false accusations leading to "retaliation" against imaginary crimes, etc. And the authorities had to intervene to prevent the exchange students from being massacred.

    But, hilariously, somehow this all got translated in the West as "Chinese students demonstrating in favor of democracy are suppressed by the Communist authorities."

    Chinese have a severe shortage of women. Selective sex abortion and one child = only one chance for ordinary Chinese men to meet and marry. In College. Also Chinese sexual mores are very conservative and they view Africans having sex with Chinese women as defilement.

    When at Tsinghua I was told by a number if Chinese male students if anti African riots over women with approval I might add. The stories had the same plots, Africans pushed around Chinese men, took their women, got tossed off dorms by 100s of angry Chinese men.

    Obesity in the US makes women effectively scarce here. Roof started talking violence when a girl he liked dated a Black guy, an athlete iirc. Black White dating us asymmetrical. White men largely find Black women as unattractive as Black comedians like Martin Lawrence and Eddie Murphy portray them. Its lose lose for White men, win win for Black men. Of course the losers just dissapear into the ether and never cause trouble.

    Shaming language, social pressure works great on Twitter with Amazon. It failed with Roof, Omar Thornton, and the Muslims shhoting Marines in recruiting centers or blowing up Bostonians. Well ok, shaming language is only applied to White and sometimes Asian men. Self evidently that fails when they have nothing to lose.

    The best way to prevent African students from being tossed off Chinese dorm roofs? Don’t have any in China.

  176. @Daniel Williams

    And in my crowd ... none of the women have ever dated a [b]lack guy.
     
    Of course that's true for most white women, but it doesn't fit the ridiculous victim narrative the Heartiste-reading crowd has constructed to explain their loneliness to themselves: "It's the black guys who are taking our women! That's why we don't have any! Those whores!"

    Kinda reminds me of the way perpetually aggrieved blacks complain that whites have taken all the jobs. I wonder if the comment-writer above would support affirmative dating?

    Toleration of inter racial dating by White men depends on Whites being an overwhelming majority and lots of attractive women. Women are the most scarce and precious resource. Given that Whites are a minority in California that is where you should see the least toleration.

    Yes every White man should be immensly succesful, handsome, and charismatic and God hates him for past life sins if he is not rolling in women. How very Calvinist. Not rich? God hates you.

    I see personally in OC from none at all fifteen years ago, every day Black male, White female couples, often with mulatto kids.

    Which means one less White kid in my race aligned with me and one more Barack Obama type against me. My skin color is my uniform and I can’t change my race. Not a problem in 89% White Amerca of 1940 or even 80% White America in 1980. Definitely a problem in California that is White minority.

    Game is of course the only real weapon against women sliding to r selection. It won’t change the illegitimacy of kids but better for Whites an illegitimate White kd vs a mulatto one or no kid at all. Given no margin of error in a rapidly declining White population in a diverse natiion.

  177. @Former Darfur
    Guys in most of the Anglosphere and in Japan and part of Europe did indeed go for Debbie's persona, but over here, her fan base is nerdy/geeky girls and homosexual males. Guys over here, to the extent they went for female singers at all-American teenage boys want their girls to not be onstage, apparently, in my generation no "cool" rock act had a frontwoman-went for Pat Benatar or maybe Stevie Nicks. Harry was considered weird and Blondie a pop act to be avoided. Chrissie Hynde and her Pretenders were a little more popular because she played guitar and swore a lot, but even so not that much.

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the first blonde "rock" (ahem) music/media figure promoted in America, Nancy Sinatra, has to all appearances a completely nonexistent derriere. She has a decent bustline but her back goes in a straight line all the way to her legs, and unlike other pop-rockish songbirds of the time like Jackie deShannon, publicity and cover photos of ms. Sinatra are careful to avoid showing her rear end off as much as possible. Even her miniskirts always were made with waistline fluff to obscure this.

    I remember commenting on this when she took it all off for Playboy in the nineties. You see all of her, except for the airbrushed heavy muff hair supposedly after her father leaned on Hef, and her buttocks.

    Apparently it runs in the family because Frank himself was noted for having his sailor suits padded in the rear because he was self-conscious about having no gluteal development. I recall the Tamborelli book mentions that, but as I remember did not allege he had to have girdle-undies so his tackle didn't protrude in front: that was George Jacobs' memoirs, which I tend to distrust due to the involvement of Stadiem, a known liar.

    Taylor Swift has a huge and dedicated fan-base of fifteen year old girls and gays.

    The further the fan is from these two cores, the more broken is the individual.

    It certainly isn’t parents or boys buying this stuff. Although everyone can appreciate a slickly made pop song.

    This really is the type of anodyne, feel good, cocooning music young women love these days.

  178. @anon
    The critical point is the media are choosing to promote one and only one particular kind of pairing. It's just one aspect of the media's anti-white racism.

    The critical point is the media are choosing to promote one and only one particular kind of pairing. It’s just one aspect of the media’s anti-white racism.

    Well, in the case of Black man-White woman pairings, it’s not working.The stats show that very few White women date/marry Black men.

    Also worthy of note: Black men dating White women makes Black women unbelievably angry….

    Also worthy of note: The MSM have recently gone for White Man-Black Woman pairings as well.Cf shows like Sleepy Hollow, Scandal*, etc

    * A representative moment from Scandal:

  179. @Steve Sailer
    Taylor Swift is also extremely hard working in being nice to her fans. I talk about how I saw Oprah do it in 1987, where as people shuffled past her on airplane she just turned the full force of her personality on each fan for about 10 seconds. Those ladies walked away glowing, feeling like they had made a real personal connection with the Big O. Apparently, Swift does the same thing with all the 13 year old girls who idolize her, and does it a lot of hours per week.

    The Lumpengentsia seems to be turning on Miss Swift:

    But there are notes to Swift’s takeover that feel like they will always have a net-negative rather than positive for women growing up in our already complicated world. I was an anxious, insecure teen girl once, and probably would have been a Taylor Swift fan then, had she been around. But instead I was raised on the messiness of the Spice Girls, the brashness of No Doubt, the open playfulness of Missy Elliot. Taylor Swift may as well be a man for all the progress she’s making for womanhood in comparison.

    Lena Dunham said her experience on stage with Swift’s model friends made her feel chubby and short, and you have to wonder if someone in Dunham’s position feels that way, preteens and young women watching all this immaculate perfection probably feel even worse. A huge part of growing up female means battling with feelings of inadequacy, loneliness, and acceptance—of oneself and next to other women—and if the biggest model for that womanhood right now can’t even acknowledge intersectional feminism without getting aggressive and barbed, then is she really working for empowerment of women? Or is her priority empowering Taylor Swift?

    If female empowerment was really so important to Swift as a pop star, she’d bring to the stage her astrophysicist friends, she’d have an all-female backing band like Charli XCX, she’d give speeches about intersectionality instead of “how to not feel damaged,” or maybe—if none of that sounds up her alley or workable for her current scheme to success—she’d just relax a little. There are already enough pressures for our gender to deal with—the exaggerated kingdom-building is only going to create and aggravate more anxiety.

    http://gawker.com/taylor-swift-is-not-your-friend-1717745581

    • Replies: @Deduction

    A huge part of growing up female means battling with feelings of inadequacy, loneliness, and acceptance
     
    This is factually true. It is also pure deceit. I have fixed it below.

    A huge part of growing up means battling with feelings of inadequacy, loneliness, and acceptance

    preteens and young women watching all this immaculate perfection probably feel even worse
     
    Is this an argument that TS should sing off-key, that the drummer should miss the beat and that, in fact, the media should only laud the truly mediocre in order to assuage our youngsters' feelings of inadequacy?

    Actually it shouldn't be the mediocre because half of all people are below the middle. Only the least talented, least pretty and least capable should ever be held high or else someone might feel inferior...

    Then again by holding anyone high you might make others feel inferior so we need to ban all media and social interaction...aaarrgghh don't ever directly post from Gawker again...it is obscenely stupid.

    I guess it practices what it preaches though lol, after reading it I don't feel inferior at all like how I feel when I read this blog, instead it makes me feel quite superior.
  180. @Steve Sailer
    Taylor Swift is also extremely hard working in being nice to her fans. I talk about how I saw Oprah do it in 1987, where as people shuffled past her on airplane she just turned the full force of her personality on each fan for about 10 seconds. Those ladies walked away glowing, feeling like they had made a real personal connection with the Big O. Apparently, Swift does the same thing with all the 13 year old girls who idolize her, and does it a lot of hours per week.

    I was an anxious, insecure teen girl once, and probably would have been a Taylor Swift fan then, had she been around. But instead I was raised on the messiness of the Spice Girls, the brashness of No Doubt, the open playfulness of Missy Elliot. Taylor Swift may as well be a man for all the progress she’s making for womanhood in comparison.

    You’ve really got to wonder about a woman who praises the pro-Feminist cred of the Spice Girls.After all, they were a purely corporate creation.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    The Spice Girls were girls having fun and damn the consequences, which is an appealing message for little children to enjoy at a little childrens' party.

    The problem is that it has somehow been mistaken for a serious political movement. Those now 20 something little children still refuse to grow up.
  181. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    >>>>>>>> Lena Dunham said her experience on stage with Swift’s model friends made her feel chubby and short<<<<<<<

    HAAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAAAAA

    She forgot "ugly"

    But Lena is still Commissar, Chosen & Tribe and those bitches will all end up with racist frat boys!

    In twenty years when the revolution comes and she gets to put her enemies in the camps all of this will be remembered.

  182. @Priss Factor
    "So these “handlers”, they just choose some untalented person at random and do their magic on her? And Swift, Minaj, etc. are just dressmakers’ forms, clad in these mindbenders’ slight of hand?"

    No, obviously the performers have SOME talent. But it's not substantive talent. It's more about image than the music, more about style and presentation than substance and composition.

    Take away Minaj's booty, and what do you have? Anaconda is hardly a song. It' s just accompaniment rhythm to a butt-fest.

    As for Swift, she is not without talent, but it's the sort of generic talent that is actually common in the music industry. She is replaceable, like all those models.

    Lose Bob Dylan and you can't find another.
    Lose Joni Mitchell and you can't find another.

    But lose Shaun Cassidy or Olivia Newton John, and you can find another and another and another and another.

    Now, I like some Cassidy songs and Newton-John had some good ones too.
    But they were not singular talents like Stevie Nicks. (On occasion, the fluffy entertainer can show major talent on occasion. Karen Carpenter mostly sang pap but some of her versions are for all time, especially 'Superstar' that is out of this world. And some pap-pop is so good that is really one of a kind. I think of Dancing Queen by Abba.)

    If Taylor Swift were to die today, there would another clone, almost just as good, maybe not as good, or better. Anyway, her thing is an act, a shtick. And notice she is a follower of trends, not a creator like Dylan or Mitchell who were ahead of the pack and didn't much care what anyone thought.

    When people told Dylan, 'lead us, we will f0llow', he told them to get lost.

    George Harrison wasn't a major talent, but he too decided on his own thing. When he saw the hippies in San Fran, he felt grossed out and didn't want any of that.

    There was something real and genuine about these people.

    In contrast, Minaj and Swift are attention & approval hogs.

    Minaj should really be the butt of jokes, but we are living in an age when American Culture is represented by 'twerking', which is just humping motions to music.

    Her act is just dumb. It reminds me of a joke some Greek kid told me in 7th grade.

    "There's some guy who can't eat through his mouth anymore, so the doctor told him to eat through his anus. One day, he's wiggling his ass on his seat, and someone asks him, 'what are you doing now?' The guy says 'I'm chewing gum'."

    We now live in an Afro-ass-centric world. Our culture is literally all about the butt. This dumb moronic black woman wants cultural recognition and approval for her act that amounts to sticking her ass in the camera.

    Pathetic.

    We got rappers yapping, 'suck my dick', and we got black ho's hollering, 'my butt so big'.

    Birth of a Nation was a very prophetic movie. 100 yrs later and black culture turned out as Griffith predicted.

    Lose Bob Dylan and people of my generation can’t find another.

    Corrected for you. We’re talking about pop music. It’s generationally-bound. You love Dylan, Auster loved Dylan, my folks love Dylan—great. My grandchildren will never know his name. And you’re saying the same things about Taylor Swift that old people said about Joni Mitchell when you were young.

    Grown so fast
    Like the turn of a page
    We look like our mothers did now
    When we were those kids’ age

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You love Dylan, Auster loved Dylan, my folks love Dylan—great.
     
    You'd be surprised how many Minnesotans hate Dylan. Almost as many as hate Garrison Keillor. Some of this is hometown resentment, but some may be good taste.

    A sixtyish lady on the train commute was telling a co-worrker, "Bob Dylan can't sing worth shit." She's right-- but in Zimmerman's heyday, sixtyish ladies did not talk like that.
    , @Priss Factor
    "Corrected for you. We’re talking about pop music."

    Okay but Pat Benatar and Heart were more genuine talents that Swift.
  183. @Bayonet
    To be fair, millions of men, of many races- find a big ass pretty sexy. I'm a 180 proof Anglo-Celtic retrograde redneck and I've always been a big fan of large asses. I don't think pop culture has a lot to do with the boner test.

    I agree that these cat fights are manufactured, though, as is the majority of Celebrity drama. One thing reality TV has shown those who can see is that EVERYTHING coming out of Hollywood is scripted.

    I’ve always been a big fan of large asses.

    I’m not talking about large. I’m talking about bulbous. It reminds me of this (steatopygia as Steve called it):

  184. @Eustace Tilley (not)


    From observing women in daily life as well as on the media. White women (who, like all women, are utter conformists, and almost always go with the majority in the henhouse) are being fed The Beautiful Black Male relentlessly, and they are swooning for it. Yea, open thine eyes; then shalt thou see.

    You need to read Chateau Heartiste every day. Then you will understand women. (The fact that black athletes slap their women around in NFL mini-scandal after NFL mini-scandal only adds to their appeal to white women. White women secretly long to be slapped around and called "bitch" and "ho"; to experience the "forbidden" masochistic pleasures of the black girl. Why should her chok'lit sistahs have all the fun?).

    Okay, that website you mentioned is just plain weird, and I don’t see it as representative of anything…other than a microcosm.

    Yes, there is an interracial world out there, but there always has been. Even during slavery days (actually, especially during slavery days.) The difference is that it’s now more out in the open, and that the gender roles are somewhat reversed. This transparency creates a slightly exaggerated effect in many people’s minds.

    Yes, there may be more interracial unions now than in the past, and that may even increase somewhat in the future, but stats show that around 90% of white marriages are intra-racial, and science has shown that most people prefer life mates who look like themselves.

    The other factor in this is the whoring nature of modern society. The interracial thing is a usually subset of that.

    You’re right about women being compliant and fanatically averse to anything that puts them in a negative social light. Most of the women I know deal with political correctness by never ever saying anything bad about black people….then marrying somebody who looks – more or less – like them. As even mega-whore Paris Hilton once said: ” I can’t stand black guys. I would never touch one. It’s gross.”

  185. @Anonymous
    "Businesses grab onto big booty craze"

    http://libn.com/2014/11/11/businesses-grab-onto-big-booty-craze/

    Gym classes that promise a plump posterior are in high demand. A surgery that pumps fat into the buttocks is gaining popularity. And padded panties that give the appearance of a rounder rump are selling out.

    The U.S. booty business is getting a big bump. Companies are cashing in on growing demand from women seeking the more curvaceous figures of their favorite stars, who flaunt their fuller rear ends.

    Nicki Minaj, for instance, raps about her “big fat” butt in “Anaconda.” Reality star Kim Kardashian posts photos of hers on Instagram. And in the music video for “Booty,” Jennifer Lopez and Iggy Azalea, wearing leotards, spend four minutes rubbing their curvy bottoms together. At one point, they slap each other on the booty.

    As a result of the pop culture moment the butt is having, sales for Booty Pop, which hawks $22 foam padded panties on its website, are up 47 percent in the last six months from the same period a year earlier. The company, which declined to give sales figures, has sold out of certain styles and colors this year, including its Pink Cotton Candy Boy Shorts.

    Susan Bloomstone, Booty Pop’s co-founder, says customers have asked for larger sizes. So, the Boston-based company plans to begin selling pads that are 25 percent larger this month. “People just want more booty,” she says.

    Feel Foxy, another maker of padded panties, says 2014 has been its best year since launching nearly a decade ago. Sales are up 40 percent from a year ago, but the company declined to give sales figures.

    “The Nicki Minaj song gave women the idea to pay attention to their rear end,” says Jessica Asmar, co-owner of the Houston company.

    ...

    To be sure, the desire for big butts isn’t new. Large booties long have been preferable in Latino and black communities, says Dr. Dionne Stephens, an associate psychology professor at Florida International University who has researched sexuality in popular culture. And this isn’t the first time big butts have been in songs. (Think: “Baby Got Back” by Sir Mix-A-Lot in the 1990s.)

    But recently, the desire for a bigger bottom became more mainstream, in large part due to pop culture influences. Mainstream celebrities like Lopez and Minaj accepting their ample assets on camera have given the butt cachet. “When people see things repeated on TV more and more, it becomes normalized,” Stephens says.

    French sociologist Jean-Claude Kaufmann says this is true overseas, too: “In Europe, and in France especially, there’s a trend to show off the buttocks in place of breasts. This has to do with Latin American influences, but also the rise of Beyonce and stars like Rihanna,” says Kaufmann, author of “Women’s Bodies, Men’s Gaze. Sociology of Naked Breasts.”

    Kaufmann also suggests more economic reasons at play: “In uncertain times, people look for security,” he says. “Men are attracted to women’s hips and the buttocks for security and reassurance. Women respond to this. It’s deeply psychological.”

    Whatever the reason, the widespread interest in larger hind parts seems to have started when Kardashian’s reality TV show, “Keeping up with the Kardashians,” began airing seven years ago.

    ...

    Some businesses that specialize in butts say pop culture has had a direct impact on their bottom line.

    A Brazilian butt lift, in which fat is sucked from a patient’s stomach, love handles or back and put into their buttocks and hips, is increasingly popular in the U.S. This type of surgery, along with buttock implants, was the fastest-growing plastic surgery last year, with more than 11,000 procedures, up 58 percent from 2012, according to the American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery.

    Dr. Matthew Schulman, who performs the procedure in New York, says this year has been busier than last. Schulman, who charges $10,000 to $13,000 for the three-hour surgery, does six to eight Brazilian butt lifts weekly, up about 25 percent from a year ago.

    He says when he asks patients which celebrity butt they want, the top names are Kardashian, Minaj and Lopez. Recently, more women have asked for a butt like Kardashian’s sister, Khloe, who also stars in the reality show.

    The downside of new interest is that women desperate for cheap options have risked their lives, going to phony doctors that inject silicone, and even bathroom caulk, into their buttocks. Deaths have been reported in Miami, New York, Las Vegas and Jackson, Mississippi.

    Another problem is doctors performing butt-enhancement surgeries that don’t have experience. Schulman says about 20 percent of his patients come to him so he can fix lumps, bumps and uneven butt cheeks done by unskilled doctors.

    Not everyone is trying surgery, though. Those looking for more natural ways to enhance their derriere are attending workout classes and watching workout videos that target the butt.

    DailyBurn, which streams workout videos, says views for its “Butt, Hips and Thighs” video doubled in January and have remained popular. The video is so popular that DailyBurn is adding another butt workout clip in December.

    At a gym in Boston, there’s a waitlist for a $30 class that fits in 120 squats in 45 minutes. The class, Booty by Brabants, was started by Kelly Brabants a year ago. Brabants starts most classes, held at The Club by George Foreman III gym, with Lopez’s “Booty” song. By the end of the year, she plans to expand her brand by selling $65 workout leggings that help perk up the butt.

    “It’s not about being stick-thin anymore,” says Brabants. “Every girl now wants a booty.”

     

    Whiskey,call your office.

  186. @Anonymous Nephew
    One UK branch of the Coalition is being formalised.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/11753983/Womens-Equality-Party-Meet-politics-new-chief-feminist-leading-it.html

    The new leader, Sophie Walker, looks rather a sweetheart and I'm sure she's terribly nice. I imagine (American) Catherine Mayer and (Danish) Sandi Toksvig are the driving forces.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-womens-equality-party-for-ladies-too-nice-for-politics/17159

    They have 6 main aims, of which #6 is "An end to violence against women. " Perhaps they could sort violence against men once that's achieved.

    https://womensequality.org.uk/

    End to violence against women (VAW)? From white dudes? Or from blacks to blacks,latinoes to latinas? How about from blacks/latins against white women? I imagine they’ll concentrate on the first,give lip service to the second and completely run like hell from the third!!

  187. @Deduction

    Of course that’s true for most white women, but it doesn’t fit the ridiculous victim narrative the Heartiste-reading crowd has constructed to explain their loneliness to themselves: “It’s the black guys who are taking our women! That’s why we don’t have any! Those whores!”

    Kinda reminds me of the way perpetually aggrieved blacks complain that whites have taken all the jobs. I wonder if the comment-writer above would support affirmative dating?
     
    That's an unfair characterisation of Heartiste. His advice boils down to 'don't act like a pussy and you'll get more pussy.'

    Which is not exactly an instruction to wallow in victim-hood.

    That’s an unfair characterisation of Heartiste.

    Maybe the site’s changed. Last I remember, it was just a guy writing fan fiction about himself for other borderline autistics.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Maybe the site’s changed. Last I remember, it was just a guy writing fan fiction about himself for other borderline autistics.
     
    Tends to read like a more sex-centric version of Steve's blog these days. Lots of "noticing" of scientific findings and societal phenomena inconvenient to The Narrative.
  188. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    "Taylor Swift will go down in history as a great entertainer."

    That's absurd. Its great you apparently enjoy her music (or, perhaps more likely, simply find her attractive, and have conflated that feeling with an appreciation for her simple little ditties), but objectively, she's no more memorable than, say, Debbie Gibson. Taylor Swift is music that young people tell their parents & grandparents that they enjoy, because their parents & grandparents (who are doubtless responsible for most of Ms. Swift's income stream), have simply never heard of the bands that young people today actually enjoy.

    >>> Its great you apparently enjoy her music

    Her music is not mostly due to her being alive. It is mostly due to the creativity and diligence of the the menfolk who designed, implemented, and deployed Pro Tools and other such audio-engineeering fix-it-up tools.

  189. @Daniel Williams

    Lose Bob Dylan and people of my generation can’t find another.
     
    Corrected for you. We're talking about pop music. It's generationally-bound. You love Dylan, Auster loved Dylan, my folks love Dylan—great. My grandchildren will never know his name. And you're saying the same things about Taylor Swift that old people said about Joni Mitchell when you were young.

    Grown so fast
    Like the turn of a page
    We look like our mothers did now
    When we were those kids' age

    You love Dylan, Auster loved Dylan, my folks love Dylan—great.

    You’d be surprised how many Minnesotans hate Dylan. Almost as many as hate Garrison Keillor. Some of this is hometown resentment, but some may be good taste.

    A sixtyish lady on the train commute was telling a co-worrker, “Bob Dylan can’t sing worth shit.” She’s right– but in Zimmerman’s heyday, sixtyish ladies did not talk like that.

  190. Victorian ladies wore bustles.

    Don’t wasps (lower-case intended) twerk?

    “All the girls walk by
    Dressed up for each other.”

    Money talks.

    History repeats.

    Fuck me, I’m not like the others.

    It’s been a long week.

  191. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Daniel Williams

    Lose Bob Dylan and people of my generation can’t find another.
     
    Corrected for you. We're talking about pop music. It's generationally-bound. You love Dylan, Auster loved Dylan, my folks love Dylan—great. My grandchildren will never know his name. And you're saying the same things about Taylor Swift that old people said about Joni Mitchell when you were young.

    Grown so fast
    Like the turn of a page
    We look like our mothers did now
    When we were those kids' age

    “Corrected for you. We’re talking about pop music.”

    Okay but Pat Benatar and Heart were more genuine talents that Swift.

  192. @Priss Factor
    "So these “handlers”, they just choose some untalented person at random and do their magic on her? And Swift, Minaj, etc. are just dressmakers’ forms, clad in these mindbenders’ slight of hand?"

    No, obviously the performers have SOME talent. But it's not substantive talent. It's more about image than the music, more about style and presentation than substance and composition.

    Take away Minaj's booty, and what do you have? Anaconda is hardly a song. It' s just accompaniment rhythm to a butt-fest.

    As for Swift, she is not without talent, but it's the sort of generic talent that is actually common in the music industry. She is replaceable, like all those models.

    Lose Bob Dylan and you can't find another.
    Lose Joni Mitchell and you can't find another.

    But lose Shaun Cassidy or Olivia Newton John, and you can find another and another and another and another.

    Now, I like some Cassidy songs and Newton-John had some good ones too.
    But they were not singular talents like Stevie Nicks. (On occasion, the fluffy entertainer can show major talent on occasion. Karen Carpenter mostly sang pap but some of her versions are for all time, especially 'Superstar' that is out of this world. And some pap-pop is so good that is really one of a kind. I think of Dancing Queen by Abba.)

    If Taylor Swift were to die today, there would another clone, almost just as good, maybe not as good, or better. Anyway, her thing is an act, a shtick. And notice she is a follower of trends, not a creator like Dylan or Mitchell who were ahead of the pack and didn't much care what anyone thought.

    When people told Dylan, 'lead us, we will f0llow', he told them to get lost.

    George Harrison wasn't a major talent, but he too decided on his own thing. When he saw the hippies in San Fran, he felt grossed out and didn't want any of that.

    There was something real and genuine about these people.

    In contrast, Minaj and Swift are attention & approval hogs.

    Minaj should really be the butt of jokes, but we are living in an age when American Culture is represented by 'twerking', which is just humping motions to music.

    Her act is just dumb. It reminds me of a joke some Greek kid told me in 7th grade.

    "There's some guy who can't eat through his mouth anymore, so the doctor told him to eat through his anus. One day, he's wiggling his ass on his seat, and someone asks him, 'what are you doing now?' The guy says 'I'm chewing gum'."

    We now live in an Afro-ass-centric world. Our culture is literally all about the butt. This dumb moronic black woman wants cultural recognition and approval for her act that amounts to sticking her ass in the camera.

    Pathetic.

    We got rappers yapping, 'suck my dick', and we got black ho's hollering, 'my butt so big'.

    Birth of a Nation was a very prophetic movie. 100 yrs later and black culture turned out as Griffith predicted.

    I agree with you, except Bob Dylan is terrible.

  193. @Daniel Williams

    That’s an unfair characterisation of Heartiste.
     
    Maybe the site's changed. Last I remember, it was just a guy writing fan fiction about himself for other borderline autistics.

    Maybe the site’s changed. Last I remember, it was just a guy writing fan fiction about himself for other borderline autistics.

    Tends to read like a more sex-centric version of Steve’s blog these days. Lots of “noticing” of scientific findings and societal phenomena inconvenient to The Narrative.

  194. @syonredux
    The Lumpengentsia seems to be turning on Miss Swift:

    But there are notes to Swift’s takeover that feel like they will always have a net-negative rather than positive for women growing up in our already complicated world. I was an anxious, insecure teen girl once, and probably would have been a Taylor Swift fan then, had she been around. But instead I was raised on the messiness of the Spice Girls, the brashness of No Doubt, the open playfulness of Missy Elliot. Taylor Swift may as well be a man for all the progress she’s making for womanhood in comparison.

    Lena Dunham said her experience on stage with Swift’s model friends made her feel chubby and short, and you have to wonder if someone in Dunham’s position feels that way, preteens and young women watching all this immaculate perfection probably feel even worse. A huge part of growing up female means battling with feelings of inadequacy, loneliness, and acceptance—of oneself and next to other women—and if the biggest model for that womanhood right now can’t even acknowledge intersectional feminism without getting aggressive and barbed, then is she really working for empowerment of women? Or is her priority empowering Taylor Swift?
     

    If female empowerment was really so important to Swift as a pop star, she’d bring to the stage her astrophysicist friends, she’d have an all-female backing band like Charli XCX, she’d give speeches about intersectionality instead of “how to not feel damaged,” or maybe—if none of that sounds up her alley or workable for her current scheme to success—she’d just relax a little. There are already enough pressures for our gender to deal with—the exaggerated kingdom-building is only going to create and aggravate more anxiety.
     
    http://gawker.com/taylor-swift-is-not-your-friend-1717745581

    A huge part of growing up female means battling with feelings of inadequacy, loneliness, and acceptance

    This is factually true. It is also pure deceit. I have fixed it below.

    A huge part of growing up means battling with feelings of inadequacy, loneliness, and acceptance

    preteens and young women watching all this immaculate perfection probably feel even worse

    Is this an argument that TS should sing off-key, that the drummer should miss the beat and that, in fact, the media should only laud the truly mediocre in order to assuage our youngsters’ feelings of inadequacy?

    Actually it shouldn’t be the mediocre because half of all people are below the middle. Only the least talented, least pretty and least capable should ever be held high or else someone might feel inferior…

    Then again by holding anyone high you might make others feel inferior so we need to ban all media and social interaction…aaarrgghh don’t ever directly post from Gawker again…it is obscenely stupid.

    I guess it practices what it preaches though lol, after reading it I don’t feel inferior at all like how I feel when I read this blog, instead it makes me feel quite superior.

  195. @syonredux

    I was an anxious, insecure teen girl once, and probably would have been a Taylor Swift fan then, had she been around. But instead I was raised on the messiness of the Spice Girls, the brashness of No Doubt, the open playfulness of Missy Elliot. Taylor Swift may as well be a man for all the progress she’s making for womanhood in comparison.
     
    You've really got to wonder about a woman who praises the pro-Feminist cred of the Spice Girls.After all, they were a purely corporate creation.

    The Spice Girls were girls having fun and damn the consequences, which is an appealing message for little children to enjoy at a little childrens’ party.

    The problem is that it has somehow been mistaken for a serious political movement. Those now 20 something little children still refuse to grow up.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    The Spice Girls were girls having fun and damn the consequences, which is an appealing message for little children to enjoy at a little childrens’ party.
     
    They were a corporate focus-group concoction, nothing more
  196. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Kylie

    Getting people to “Look at [you]!” is integral to being a good entertainer. No reasonable person thinks Taylor Swift wants to be the next Górecki. She fills arenas with screaming people who want to have a good time. Art has nothing to do with it.

    And check this out: Elvis and the rest of the golden oldies were the same way.
     
    True, Elvis was an entertainer. But he was also an artist in spite of himself. His phrasing, ability to shape a melody line, dynamics, breath control, etc. were all phenomenal.

    Elvis had more biological talent than Frank Sinatra, and both men knew it. It bothered Frank, Elvis didn’t care.

    But Elvis put all his trust behind “Colonel” Tom Parker, and it was sorely misplaced. Parker regarded Elvis as a circus act that made Parker money, and did nothing to help Elvis develop as an artist.

    My generation had little use for Elvis or Frank because both were seen as dinosaurs. They didn’t write their own music, and they were, well, old. Elvis actually never lived to be old, but we thought of him that way. In reality, both were far superior to most of the artists we pandered to and worshipped, and people twenty years my junior at least sometimes understand that, which is to their credit. So unless you were a bookish nerd like me you knew nothing of their struggles, of their work, their lives, except at the end Frank became a little bit cool because Bono said so and Bruce was one of his pallbearers.

    Frank had a way better career: fifty years versus twenty. Part of that was longevity, 81 years versus 42. But more than that, Frank worked for, fought for, everything he had. Elvis went from nothing to superstar before he knew what hit him. Frank begged, pleaded, schemed for a shot-no guarantee, just a shot-at the role of Maggio that put him back in the game. Elvis never made a movie that wasn’t an Elvis vehicle, pure and simple. A couple of them are halfway decent, most are unwatchable today.

    It wasn’t because Elvis was lazy. Mostly, it was because he was loyal to Col. Tom. Parker was a compromised man: we now know he was an illegal immigrant and probably a murderer in his native Holland. So Parker never let Elvis gig outside the United States, Parker arranged for Elvis to be drafted as a common infantryman (an arrangement that did nothing for the United States Army: a reserve slot in Special Services would have been better for both, as Sinatra knew when he set up his son-in-law Tommy Sands), and Parker insisted that Elvis pay much, much more in income tax to “avoid suspicion”. (If the IRS had any sense, that in itself would have provoked their curiosity.) Elvis never competed for roles in non-Elvis vehicle movies, and therefore developed very little as an actor.

    Parker was well known as a con man and a carny barker within the industry, even if the illegal alien and murder suspect part was unknown. The best commentary on Elvis’, and Parker’s, status within showbiz circles at that time was provided by one of Elvis’ movie directors, Jerry Wald.

    Wald made an “Elvis movie” with Marilyn Monroe in the Elvis position, suitably adjusted for gender, called Let’s Make Love. The movie lambasts several real public figures of the era-Van Cliburn, Maria Callas, and Elvis-along with the character (played by French actor Yves Montand) of Monroe’s love interest, a French worthless heir.

    (Frankie Vaughn)
    When Elvis rotates
    Each critic note-takes
    It may look funny
    But the money’s what it supplies

    (Marilyn Monroe)
    Specialization, specialization

    (Frankie Vaughn)
    You’ll meet the colonel if

    (Marilyn Monroe)
    If you specialize

    Elvis had sold fifty million records, but he was considered a goof.

    Of course, “Meeting the Colonel” was signifying a great deal too. Elvis by the mid-1960s was fully cognizant that this was a foolish relationship in the eyes of absolutely everyone in the industry, but Elvis was loyal to a fault. The Colonel had raised him from a truck driver to a superstar, and he was sticking with The Col. forever.

    And it wasn’t as if Col. Tom was really a genius at concealing his background. The press just didn’t care to investigate. Parker’s brother even came over from Holland and told everyone what was up, and he was pointedly ignored.

    Is the situation really that different today?

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Even as a teen (I'm 20 years younger than Elvis), I sensed he was very naive. I felt he was a simple man who'd have been happiest--and longer lived--just singing gospel songs regionally.

    Wald made an “Elvis movie” with Marilyn Monroe in the Elvis position, suitably adjusted for gender, called Let’s Make Love. The movie lambasts several real public figures of the era-Van Cliburn, Maria Callas, and Elvis-along with the character (played by French actor Yves Montand) of Monroe’s love interest, a French worthless heir.
     
    This is all new to me and absolutely fascinating. Thank you. I saw Van Cliburn in concert in the early 70s and have always loved Callas (her voice was weak but her delivery was superb). And I consider Yves Montand an excellent singer and actor and quite simply, the sexiest man who ever lived.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLlBOmDpn1s
  197. @Deduction
    The Spice Girls were girls having fun and damn the consequences, which is an appealing message for little children to enjoy at a little childrens' party.

    The problem is that it has somehow been mistaken for a serious political movement. Those now 20 something little children still refuse to grow up.

    The Spice Girls were girls having fun and damn the consequences, which is an appealing message for little children to enjoy at a little childrens’ party.

    They were a corporate focus-group concoction, nothing more

    • Replies: @Deduction
    Yes, of course you are right. I should have been clearer. I was describing their branding.
  198. @syonredux

    The Spice Girls were girls having fun and damn the consequences, which is an appealing message for little children to enjoy at a little childrens’ party.
     
    They were a corporate focus-group concoction, nothing more

    Yes, of course you are right. I should have been clearer. I was describing their branding.

  199. @Anonymous
    Elvis had more biological talent than Frank Sinatra, and both men knew it. It bothered Frank, Elvis didn't care.

    But Elvis put all his trust behind "Colonel" Tom Parker, and it was sorely misplaced. Parker regarded Elvis as a circus act that made Parker money, and did nothing to help Elvis develop as an artist.

    My generation had little use for Elvis or Frank because both were seen as dinosaurs. They didn't write their own music, and they were, well, old. Elvis actually never lived to be old, but we thought of him that way. In reality, both were far superior to most of the artists we pandered to and worshipped, and people twenty years my junior at least sometimes understand that, which is to their credit. So unless you were a bookish nerd like me you knew nothing of their struggles, of their work, their lives, except at the end Frank became a little bit cool because Bono said so and Bruce was one of his pallbearers.

    Frank had a way better career: fifty years versus twenty. Part of that was longevity, 81 years versus 42. But more than that, Frank worked for, fought for, everything he had. Elvis went from nothing to superstar before he knew what hit him. Frank begged, pleaded, schemed for a shot-no guarantee, just a shot-at the role of Maggio that put him back in the game. Elvis never made a movie that wasn't an Elvis vehicle, pure and simple. A couple of them are halfway decent, most are unwatchable today.

    It wasn't because Elvis was lazy. Mostly, it was because he was loyal to Col. Tom. Parker was a compromised man: we now know he was an illegal immigrant and probably a murderer in his native Holland. So Parker never let Elvis gig outside the United States, Parker arranged for Elvis to be drafted as a common infantryman (an arrangement that did nothing for the United States Army: a reserve slot in Special Services would have been better for both, as Sinatra knew when he set up his son-in-law Tommy Sands), and Parker insisted that Elvis pay much, much more in income tax to "avoid suspicion". (If the IRS had any sense, that in itself would have provoked their curiosity.) Elvis never competed for roles in non-Elvis vehicle movies, and therefore developed very little as an actor.

    Parker was well known as a con man and a carny barker within the industry, even if the illegal alien and murder suspect part was unknown. The best commentary on Elvis', and Parker's, status within showbiz circles at that time was provided by one of Elvis' movie directors, Jerry Wald.

    Wald made an "Elvis movie" with Marilyn Monroe in the Elvis position, suitably adjusted for gender, called Let's Make Love. The movie lambasts several real public figures of the era-Van Cliburn, Maria Callas, and Elvis-along with the character (played by French actor Yves Montand) of Monroe's love interest, a French worthless heir.

    (Frankie Vaughn)
    When Elvis rotates
    Each critic note-takes
    It may look funny
    But the money's what it supplies

    (Marilyn Monroe)
    Specialization, specialization

    (Frankie Vaughn)
    You'll meet the colonel if

    (Marilyn Monroe)
    If you specialize

    Elvis had sold fifty million records, but he was considered a goof.

    Of course, "Meeting the Colonel" was signifying a great deal too. Elvis by the mid-1960s was fully cognizant that this was a foolish relationship in the eyes of absolutely everyone in the industry, but Elvis was loyal to a fault. The Colonel had raised him from a truck driver to a superstar, and he was sticking with The Col. forever.

    And it wasn't as if Col. Tom was really a genius at concealing his background. The press just didn't care to investigate. Parker's brother even came over from Holland and told everyone what was up, and he was pointedly ignored.

    Is the situation really that different today?

    Even as a teen (I’m 20 years younger than Elvis), I sensed he was very naive. I felt he was a simple man who’d have been happiest–and longer lived–just singing gospel songs regionally.

    Wald made an “Elvis movie” with Marilyn Monroe in the Elvis position, suitably adjusted for gender, called Let’s Make Love. The movie lambasts several real public figures of the era-Van Cliburn, Maria Callas, and Elvis-along with the character (played by French actor Yves Montand) of Monroe’s love interest, a French worthless heir.

    This is all new to me and absolutely fascinating. Thank you. I saw Van Cliburn in concert in the early 70s and have always loved Callas (her voice was weak but her delivery was superb). And I consider Yves Montand an excellent singer and actor and quite simply, the sexiest man who ever lived.

  200. @Daniel Williams

    Without the handlers making them up, coaching them, and telling them what to do, where would they be? Zilch, nada.
     
    So these "handlers", they just choose some untalented person at random and do their magic on her? And Swift, Minaj, etc. are just dressmakers' forms, clad in these mindbenders' slight of hand?

    It seems far likelier to me that someone like Taylor Swift would need a fairly impressive amount of natural charisma to attract attention from the sort of people you're describing, meaning that I think you've reversed the causal relation in your reasoning.

    Very few people become megastars on their own without skilled “handlers”. Madonna is the only example that comes to recent memoory, female or male. Like her or not, she masterminded and carried the whole thing off on her own bat.

    These people cannot make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. You have to have some talent, generally you have to bring something to the table, or several somethings. But there is a lot of talent, much more than is generally realized out there. Most of it never gets out of Peoria.

    Megastars are usually manufactured when the right combination of talent and other assets exists to fill a certain industry need. Michael jackson was already a successful R&B artist, but he had no mainstream white fan base beyond a few people wo remembered the jackson Five, until radio needed a black artist they could play on white markets because they were afraid of rumblings from the usual trouble sources on how blacks were “discriminated” yada yada. The right arrangers, studio engineers and so forth wre brought in and Michael was huge, but he did have something they could leverage. These handlers can not create a craze where nothing exists. Most of the time even they fail. But when they hit, as with Michael, they are primed and prepared to ride the wave all the way.

    Pop culture business is not a certain thing on any one roll of the dice: the biggies work on the principle of the casino. They have the odds stacked in their favor and the longer people play the more their success conforms to the statistics.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams

    Megastars are usually manufactured when ...
     
    Are you David Geffen? Is this hitmaker David Geffen's opinion, or just some random guy on the Internet asserting something improbable without an argument?

    Because unless you're David Geffen (or some other person with occult knowledge about the industry) I'm going to counter your assertion: Yes, the world is full of talented people. Tons of them. But Taylor Swift is exponentially more talented than they are. My argument is her phenomenal success.

    No "handler" in the world could make a non-entity—or even a moderately talented person—into a star at Swift's altitude. It's impossible; if you have a silk purse, you didn't start with a sow's ear, right? "Pygmalion" is fiction and the public tires of one-hit wonders.

    People who go on about Pro Tools and handlers are transparently envious.
  201. @Former Darfur
    Very few people become megastars on their own without skilled "handlers". Madonna is the only example that comes to recent memoory, female or male. Like her or not, she masterminded and carried the whole thing off on her own bat.

    These people cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. You have to have some talent, generally you have to bring something to the table, or several somethings. But there is a lot of talent, much more than is generally realized out there. Most of it never gets out of Peoria.

    Megastars are usually manufactured when the right combination of talent and other assets exists to fill a certain industry need. Michael jackson was already a successful R&B artist, but he had no mainstream white fan base beyond a few people wo remembered the jackson Five, until radio needed a black artist they could play on white markets because they were afraid of rumblings from the usual trouble sources on how blacks were "discriminated" yada yada. The right arrangers, studio engineers and so forth wre brought in and Michael was huge, but he did have something they could leverage. These handlers can not create a craze where nothing exists. Most of the time even they fail. But when they hit, as with Michael, they are primed and prepared to ride the wave all the way.

    Pop culture business is not a certain thing on any one roll of the dice: the biggies work on the principle of the casino. They have the odds stacked in their favor and the longer people play the more their success conforms to the statistics.

    Megastars are usually manufactured when …

    Are you David Geffen? Is this hitmaker David Geffen’s opinion, or just some random guy on the Internet asserting something improbable without an argument?

    Because unless you’re David Geffen (or some other person with occult knowledge about the industry) I’m going to counter your assertion: Yes, the world is full of talented people. Tons of them. But Taylor Swift is exponentially more talented than they are. My argument is her phenomenal success.

    No “handler” in the world could make a non-entity—or even a moderately talented person—into a star at Swift’s altitude. It’s impossible; if you have a silk purse, you didn’t start with a sow’s ear, right? “Pygmalion” is fiction and the public tires of one-hit wonders.

    People who go on about Pro Tools and handlers are transparently envious.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    It takes a lot of energy to be a big time female pop star.
  202. @Daniel Williams

    Megastars are usually manufactured when ...
     
    Are you David Geffen? Is this hitmaker David Geffen's opinion, or just some random guy on the Internet asserting something improbable without an argument?

    Because unless you're David Geffen (or some other person with occult knowledge about the industry) I'm going to counter your assertion: Yes, the world is full of talented people. Tons of them. But Taylor Swift is exponentially more talented than they are. My argument is her phenomenal success.

    No "handler" in the world could make a non-entity—or even a moderately talented person—into a star at Swift's altitude. It's impossible; if you have a silk purse, you didn't start with a sow's ear, right? "Pygmalion" is fiction and the public tires of one-hit wonders.

    People who go on about Pro Tools and handlers are transparently envious.

    It takes a lot of energy to be a big time female pop star.

    • Replies: @Kylie

    It takes a lot of energy to be a big time female pop star.
     
    I think staying on top would also take the kind of personality that is energized by adoring crowds.
  203. @Steve Sailer
    It takes a lot of energy to be a big time female pop star.

    It takes a lot of energy to be a big time female pop star.

    I think staying on top would also take the kind of personality that is energized by adoring crowds.

  204. @Jack D
    I think you must have mixed up some porn site with Wikipedia. There was no such orgy. This is what actually happened: a couple of African exchange students were taking a couple of Chinese girls that they picked up at a Christmas party back to their dorms. The security guard at the campus gates accused the girls of being ho's (for wanting to sleep with black men) and wouldn't let them enter the campus. The African students didn't like the idea of their dates being called ho's for racist reasons and this lead to a brawl breaking out. Then a false rumor spread that a Chinese man had been killed by Africans and the Chinese tried to lock hundreds of African students into their dorm and set fire to it. Etc.

    In other words, this was the classic setup of a racist pogrom or lynching - fear that the other more virile race is defiling your women, wild rumors and false accusations leading to "retaliation" against imaginary crimes, etc. And the authorities had to intervene to prevent the exchange students from being massacred.

    But, hilariously, somehow this all got translated in the West as "Chinese students demonstrating in favor of democracy are suppressed by the Communist authorities."

    A family friend who grew up in China told me that African exchange students were frequently the cause of riots even back in the 1960s. They were known to rape Chinese women, and reports of the rape would cause mobs of Chinese men to attack the Africans’ dorm buildings and beat them up.

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