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From CNN, a report on the Kenosha Kase validating my surmise back in August that it was the usual type of domestic dispute that gets more than a few ex-boyfriends shot by the cops each year (but when they are white, nobody cares):

Lawyer says cop shot Jacob Blake after hearing a mother’s desperate plea: ‘He’s got my kid. He’s got my keys’

By Scott Glover

Updated 4:30 PM ET, Fri September 25, 2020

(CNN) Police Officer Rusten Sheskey has told investigators that it wasn’t just his life he was defending when he fired his weapon seven times at Jacob Blake last month in Kenosha, Wisconsin. He said he used deadly force during the chaotic encounter because he was afraid Blake, while attempting to flee the scene, was trying to kidnap a child in the backseat of the vehicle.

“He’s got my kid. He’s got my keys,” Sheskey heard a woman say, according to attorney Brendan Matthews, who is representing the officer. If Sheskey had allowed Blake to drive away and something happened to the child “the question would have been ‘why didn’t you do something?'” Matthews said.

That explanation, provided in an exclusive interview with CNN, offers the most detailed rationale to date for Sheskey’s highly scrutinized decision to shoot Blake, who is Black, as he leaned into an SUV with his children inside it on August 23.

… Matthews directly disputed assertions by Blake’s family and lawyers that he was unarmed and posed no threat to the officers.

At the time Sheskey opened fire, the lawyer said, Blake held a knife in his hand and twisted his body toward the officer. That action is not visible in the video widely circulating on the internet, in which the view of Blake’s body is partially obscured by the driver’s side door of the SUV.

Matthews said a second officer at the scene, whom he also represents, provided investigators with a similar account of Blake turning toward Sheskey with a knife in his hand immediately prior to the shooting. That officer said he too would have opened fire but did not have a clear angle, according to the lawyer.

… The shooting occurred minutes after Sheskey and fellow officers responded to a call of “family trouble” in a neighborhood a couple of miles northwest of downtown Kenosha. According to a dispatch log, a woman reported to police that Blake had taken her keys and would not give them back. Blake’s family members later said he’d been attending a birthday party for one of his kids.

Once at the scene, Sheskey watched Blake put one child in the car as he arrived but was unaware that two more children were already in the vehicle, Matthews said. Another officer heard a woman yelling that Blake had her children, he said, but did not see the kids in the car.

Some of what officers say happened next was described in a press release issued by the police association last month.

Which I posted back in August.

Anyway, it just sounds like a typical domestic disturbance call with a separated father and mother disputing over who gets the kids and the car, and the participants get out of control.

Do other countries have better ways for cops to handle these situations? How about, say, Finland? Finland has lots of guns, axes, and binge drinkers. What do the police do in this kind of situation there?

 
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  1. anon[237] • Disclaimer says:

    He said he used deadly force during the chaotic encounter because he was afraid Blake, while attempting to flee the scene, was trying to kidnap a child in the backseat of the vehicle.

    Hey, that’s what I said too. And how kidnapping is a forcible felony, and you can use deadly force to stop the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

    I mean, it’s not like it was exactly rocket science to figure that out, but it’s still nice to have some validation.

  2. “who is Black” really tells you everything you need to know about the motivation of outlets like CNN.

    Who, whom (is Black)?

  3. Light it up, light it up! Finland will follow.

  4. JimDandy says:

    Do other countries have better ways for cops to handle these situations? How about, say, Finland? Finland has lots of guns, axes, and binge drinkers. What do the police do in this kind of situation there?

    That’s an interesting question worth exploring, but if Floyd had a knife and was twisting toward the cop, he had the right to unload on him.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  5. 1. He had been tased twice, and nevertheless was still “negotiating” his potential release (viz, violently resisting arrest), as if this were a game show. These people are children.

    2. He had fled police custody, and was reaching into the car for an unknown object. This is not a guessing game. “Well, I don’t know, he could be reaching for a gun, or for his pet therapy bunny rabbit. Guess we’ll just have to wait til he turns around and find out!”

    3. When you violently resist arrest, you implicitly forfeit your entitlement to various safety protocols and procedures, and new ones suddenly apply. “In Soviet Union, cards cheat at YOU!”

    4. Training protocols vary by department, but many police officers are trained to either fully empty their weapons when they open fire, or else to continue firing until the situation is one hundred per cent, beyond question, “resolved.” That is why Amadou Diallo was shot 42 times by multiple officers each exercising indidual judgment w/r/t to training — not Because Slabery. The guy in Kenosha had just resisted not one, but two, tasings. Who knew what else he was capable of?

    5. Work it all out down at the station house, once everything is calmer and clearer. Do not antagonize or threaten the wary, nervous man with the drawn gun and civic power.

    6. Stop. Being. Excitable. Retards.

    • Agree: tyrone
  6. JimDandy says:
    @JimDandy

    Oops, I meant Blake. It’s all blurring together.

    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
  7. theMann says:

    The relevant part starts at 3:09

    • Thanks: Voltarde
    • LOL: ziggurat, IHTG
  8. The irony in this situation is that the family of Jacob Blake thinks that the protests over his case have gone too far saying: they don’t “reflect my son or my family” and would leave Jacob Blake “very unpleased.” So in truth the protesters are acting against the wishes of his family, clearly his family knew he was in the wrong to be acting like that in front of police.

  9. Alfa158 says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Here’s what happened to two cops after an excitable suspect who refused to allow himself to be placed under arrest was able to reach into his vehicle without getting shot seven times.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/harrowing-video-shows-roadside-gun-battle-between-pennsylvania-police-man-pulled-over-for-traffic-stop

    Officer Sheskey has to be thinking that as bad as his present situation is, he could have ended up with worse things than legal troubles.

    • Agree: Aeronerauk
  10. Twinkie says:

    Finland?

    Does Finland have lots of low IQ people of certain demographic persuasion who resort to violent behavior at the drop of a hat? Are dozens of police officers killed by such a demographic each year in Finland?

    I suspect, sir, you know why we can’t adopt law enforcement polices Finland (or Singapore or Switzerland or Japan) has.

  11. Lagertha says:

    In Finland, cops don’t have guns, first of all, unless a call calls for that. Often, it is too late when people shoot each other or someone – I can attest, this is personal for one of my relations. Knives are common, but usually between homeless or the long-time (60+ years after WW2) homeless alcoholics who are literally called drunkguys (puliukko).

    The only axe killing I knew of….was mind-blowing…I was 17. There was a lonely looking farmhouse (in a rural area) that my bf and I drove by everyday as we went to work with horses. My friend told me that the woman in that house (nobody wants to buy the property – superstition) axed her family – and husband – to death one night before killing herself. I still think about that when I drive by lonely farm houses. Happy Halloween! but, this is a true story. It was a beautiful house, beautiful grain lands, and, I wondered what would compel a mother to kill her 5 children and husband with an axe? – never been solved, by the way.

    However, we are a 98.5% ethnic group, so shame still works well in our culture. Most domestic fights do not evolve into killing (my cousins are social workers, cops, and emergency room doctors) except for the “foreigners: Somalis, other non-Finns.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Supply and Demand
  12. Lagertha says:
    @Twinkie

    oh, Twinkie, haven’t commented in months and months with you! And, hahahhaaaaaaa …Steve is trolling me and other Finns on this site, or so it seems! I would much rather talk about Hunter Biden’s trainwreck behavior!

    A bit of fun facts: name the 3 countries (2 in Europe, 1 in the ME) who have conscription and have the most guns per capita.

  13. Thomas says:

    Do other countries have better ways for cops to handle these situations? How about, say, Finland? Finland has lots of guns, axes, and binge drinkers. What do the police do in this kind of situation there?

    Whatever happens,
    We have got
    The blacks,
    And they have not.

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
    • LOL: Abe
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  14. @anon

    Hey, that’s what I said too. And how kidnapping is a forcible felony, and you can use deadly force to stop the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

    I mean, it’s not like it was exactly rocket science to figure that out, but it’s still nice to have some validation.

    Exactly.

    He’s going
    a) into a car that is not his
    b) with kids in the back, that while they may be his biological children, he doesn’t have custody of
    c) armed with a knife
    d) having already resisted arrest and shaken off a taser
    e) repeatedly being told to stop by the cops.

    The cops have a duty to stop a kidnapping. This is “duh” territory. But somehow–in the grand tradition of the pictures of a 14 year old Trayvon or the “hands up don’t shoot” Gentle Giant–the media somehow managed to … not point any of this out.

    Note, I totally understand all the domestic stuff involving children is going to be fraught. I’m all for better fairer custody arrangements. (I think a default to joint custody arrangements would tend to cut down on the number of divorces–a sizeable majority initiated by women–and tend to produce more marital stability, less single motherhood, stronger families, mentally healthier children.)

    But that said, this is the cops doing what they are told to do under the law. If the cops had let hot-head Jake drive away with the kids and anything bad happened, then suddenly it would be “the police do not do their duty for black families …. do not care about black children … ” blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    , @I, Libertine
  15. @Thomas

    We should have taken the Maxim gun instead.

    • Agree: JMcG, 36 ulster
  16. @Twinkie

    That, and when cops beat the shit out of a suspect resisting arrest, people won’t protest.
    When will police shootings decline? When the cops can routinely put people in the hospital when they resist arrest, and people don’t “care”.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  17. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The certified genius attorney general for the State of New York, Miss Letitia James, has just figured out that if we didn’t try to arrest people, then they wouldn’t resist arrest, and then they wouldn’t get into trouble for resisting arrest. How can it be that no one’s figured this out before now? Racism, that’s how.


    NEW YORK (AP) — New York’s attorney general on Friday recommended the New York Police Department get out of the business of traffic enforcement, a radical change she said would prevent encounters like one last year in the Bronx that escalated quickly and ended with an officer fatally shooting a motorist.

    If police officers are to remain involved in traffic enforcement, James’s office said, the police department should drop a policy that encourages officers to arrest any motorist who is found to have open warrants.

  18. J.Ross says:
    @Twinkie

    No, but we can adopt the jatimatic and the puuka and see where that takes us.

  19. guest says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Shouldn’t an A.G. want to catch people with outstanding warrants?

    I mean, how do we catch white people with paper on ‘em? Is this high state official turning her back on the crimes of white supreemacy?

    • Replies: @dvorak
  20. @Mr McKenna

    If police officers are to remain involved in traffic enforcement, James’s office said, the police department should drop a policy that encourages officers to arrest any motorist who is found to have open warrants.

    Not arrest “motorists” with open warrants (for arrest)? So under what circumstances do we arrest people with open warrants (“warrant” meaning warrant for arrest)?

    Where is the safe space for arresting those you have been sworn to arrest?

    I’m guessing this dumbass woman doesn’t understand the definition of most legal terms, because she wasn’t chosen for her jurisprudential acumen, but rather for some other characteristic.

    Did they issue her those glasses to make her appear intelligent?

    Corpulent arrogant sub-average IQ black females will be the death of us – something communists and Arab terrorists could not achieve. Because no one will call them out as morons.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @El Dato
  21. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna

    The certified genius attorney general for the State of New York, Miss Letitia James

    Are black women just in charge of everything now? Every major city in this country seems to have a black woman as mayor, or chief of police, or something.

    I understand the reasons for it. People like voting for blacks, but black men tend to have… issues, let’s say. But when did it happen? It has to have been going on for a while, but I never noticed how widespread it was until the Summer of George.

    Is it just some sort of residue of the affection white women had for Michele Obama? That has to have something to do with it.

    It just boggles the mind, though. Like, off the top of your head, what is the smartest thing you’ve ever heard a black woman say?

    Yeah. That’s what I thought.

    It’s just weird that this mass phenomenon would fly under my radar, as a devoted iSteve reader.

  22. utu says:

    but when they are white, nobody cares – we should care.

    How about, say, Finland? – 1.8 killed per million. US – 34.7 killed per million. It would not get significantly lower if you exclude Blacks entirely or extrapolate White stats.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country

    There is something cultural about it that possibly goes to the core of American character that police was given too much power and impunity which resulted in rules of engagements that lead to escalation rather than to deescalation. The former is a quick resolution which always is won by police while the latter requires time, imagination, higher risk for a policeman and a different moral calculus. You can’t expect different results if in your utilitarian merit function you set the value of life for one actor as infinite and for the other as finite or in other words when you minimize the risk of loss of life or injury for only one actor.

    “During my stay in the United States, I witnessed the spontaneous formation of committees in a country for the pursuit and prosecution of a man who had committed a great crime. In Europe, a criminal is an unhappy man who is struggling for his life against the agents of power, whilst the people are merely a spectator of the conflict: in America, he is looked upon as an enemy of the human race, and the whole of mankind is against him.” – Alexis de Tocqueville

    “All the other stuff, the love, the democracy, the floundering into lust, is a sort of by-play. The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted.” – D. H. Lawrence

  23. Kerubi says:

    Finnish cops do carry pistols all the time. We have got lots of guns, but they are mostly long hunting weapons. Finnish cops do not assume that suspect is probably carrying a gun. That is why they are not as trigger-happy as American cops seem to be. Taser is used often nowadays in situations where there is a threat of violence. If a cop uses his gun, he probably shoots once or twice. For instance, when a few years ago a Jihadist stabbed ten people in Turku, police stopped him with only one shot in his thigh when he was already about to cut a woman`s throat.

  24. Wake up says:

    Defund the police! Why do Whites feel the need to get involved with Black dysfunction? Let the Tribal Chiefs try and control their “Peeps”. Pull the Police out of the ‘Hood now!

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
    , @CCZ
  25. Prosa123 says:

    Finland has high rates of hunting rifle ownership, as hunting is popular and it also has a large rifle manufacturing industry, but AFAIK handgun ownership is not high at all

  26. @Mr McKenna

    Wow, she has some logic going for her. – If we care and cause trouble, why not – not care? – I mean, is there no law against the lack of reason in New York City officials? – That would do.

  27. @anon

    Black women were always the judges on TV shows back in the 1980s.

  28. anon[384] • Disclaimer says:

    At some level, it bothers me that they even have to bother trying to explain these things to the blacks anymore. Because they’re not going to accept it. Why would they? They’ve gotten basically no pushback so far, so why would they bother being reasonable? What’s the point? You can just burn down all the buildings you want, and the government will just give you half a trillion dollars, on top of what Google and Bank Of America already forked over. And that’s even assuming that they’re intelligent enough to understand the explanation in the first place, which I do not believe.

    It’s funny to think about, but there was a time when Black Lives Matter was at least a little bit reasonable. Like, there was one case where they started getting ready to riot because the black-people rumor was that the cops shot an unarmed black guy, but then it turned out he was running at the cops with a gun, so they decided that it was a justifiable shooting after all.

    But now, with the Breonna Taylor case, we see that even when a black guy actually shoots at the cops, and admits that he shot at the cops, the cops are just supposed to stand there and let themselves get shot at.

    I feel like it would be a lot better, at this point, to just say “Attention black people! Shut up! Guess what? We’re not charging these cops! If you don’t like it, move to Liberia. You’re going to riot either way, so who cares?”.

    But we live in a fallen and benighted world, so that will never happen.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  29. @Steve Sailer

    I think it started with Lucy. No,not the redheaded comedienne. I mean Lucy,the ancient person they found in Africa,who is supposed to be the mother of everyone.
    So we get this stuff about black women are the mothers of “civilization,” blah blah blah.
    They’re wise and loving ad nauseam.
    We have one here,in Kim Foxx,a Soros gal,who’s freed more black men than Abe Lincoln.

    And I have noticed in the political ads on TV,there’s a lot of women,black and white,running.
    As Dylan said,”Makes you want to stop and read a book.”

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    , @anon
  30. Thoughts says:

    Yes…Germany has community cops with no guns

    I Will say i saw a pure Nordic cop in Scandiland grab a White kid by the throat and smash the kids head against the car

    It was great…kid deserved it…one Day the kid Will look back and Think how lucky he was to be disciplined by such a specimen

    The cops after Jacob Blake were like fat tabbies compared to the Nordic Cop

    American cops are not hand to hand combat types…plus women

    The George Floyd cops only mistake was not doing something when george lost consciousness…it showed a crassness towards life that isnt appreciated

    • Disagree: Redman
  31. One Black Man Opinion

    They shot Jacob Blake in the back.
    His crime? Knife collectin’ while black!
    White dudes that collect ’em
    don’t get shot in the rectum,
    or kidney, or spine, or nutsack.

    He was shot in the car, with his brats
    screamin’ in the back seat; Baby, that’s
    some cold-blooded sh*t!
    How cold can blood git?
    It give brain-freeze when drunken by bats!

  32. Dumbo says:

    Finland has no blacks. Or not many. Although the powers that be are working hard on solving that vibrancy deficiency.

  33. @Twinkie

    Finland has Somalis and Arabs and Turks and Pakis now…

    • Replies: @West reanimator
  34. Anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lagertha

    Are there lots of Muslims in Helsinki?

  35. I don’t know about Finland, but in Britain police do not usually take guns to domestic disputes, and seem to be able to manage the situation.

    If I was a cop in the United States I would be lobbying for reduced access to handguns for the general public, being a serious public safety issue.

    Of course it is argued that even if licenses and insurance were required for handguns, that would not stop criminals from obtaining and using handguns guns, which is just yet another example of how ungovernable the United States is becoming.

  36. @Lagertha

    Female Abuse of SSRIs and close familial homicides are often linked.

  37. Finland has lots of guns, axes, and binge drinkers. What do the police do in this kind of situation there?

    Most of the 8k or socases of domestic abuse in Finland are directed at women, of which 6k or so are between spouses, former spouses, or co-habiting partners. Total population is circa 5.5m, FWIW.

    What is interesting, though, is this blurb on homicides and assaults…

    Good one-half of attempted homicides and aggravated assaults were directed towards men. When the victim was a man, the offender was also a man in one-half of the cases…

    Which implies that the ladies in Finland are up to finishing the task.

    source: https://www.stat.fi/til/rpk/2015/15/rpk_2015_15_2016-05-30_tie_001_en.html

    • Replies: @Redman
  38. @Steve Sailer

    Well Steve you have asked how other countries handle these things so this is the place for me to ask you for one of your heavyweight fact based reviews of the Glasgow solution and its applicability to America’s black violence culture. As a long comment giving background has suffered a UR software wipeout already I shall send this with no more than the Washington Post article I want to draw to your attention and note that it cites American precedents/experiments as to which it would be good to know what success they have had.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/glasgow-was-once-the-murder-capital-of-europe-now-its-a-model-for-cutting-crime/2018/10/27/0b167e68-6e02-4795-92f8-adb1020b7434_story.html

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  39. “Anyway, it just sounds like a typical domestic disturbance call with a separated father and mother disputing over who gets the kids and the car, and the participants get out of control.”

    Sperm donor in lieu of separated father. At best, a “baby daddy” but that suggests the person is taking an active role in the child’s life. Out of wedlock rate among black community ca. 75%. Baby daddy is passe. Sperm donor is more accurate.

  40. @Steve Sailer

    Continuing my comment/request I note that I was prompted to take another look at my presumption that the problem of American black disfunction is intractable because, as well as the IQ problem which may not be a universal amonst those of African ancestry** there is the problem of the way White Trash go on treating them and even black professionals experience different treatment because they are black every day (anyway many times a year). A close relation who is now a London magistrate specialising in youth crime put me on to the Glasgow achievement although of course they had a sectarian, poverty, and gang problem.
    **I wonder BTW if any African countries have shown what the possibly higher IQs of Tutsi (or other Nilotics) or upper caste Yoruba or Igbo have been able to do to suggest they could run a modern cibilised country.

  41. @utu

    So you’re not an American?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  42. @Father O'Hara

    “Kim Foxx, a Soros gal, who’s freed more black men than Abe Lincoln.”

    Forgive me, Father, in advance, because I’m stealing that. Funniest thing I’ve read in weeks. Thank you.

    • Replies: @black sea
  43. AndrewR says:

    How long must we continue the charade that law-abiding people who don’t hate white people or worship Jews and blacks (perhaps the majority of the country) can coexist with black supremacists, Jewish supremacists and their white enablers?

  44. Old Prude says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A bit O/T. . Was reviewing resumes with another manager. “How about this one?” A female engineer. Mmm, not a lot of meat there. “Attended meetings about quality and tooling”. Then at the bottom: “Member, Society of Black Engineers”

    “Yeah, your right, not enough relevant experience…”.

    No point in hiring trouble.

    Our business is too small and fragile to afford diversity. Better to leave her for General Dynamics to fill their quota.

  45. Fredrik says:
    @Lagertha

    Finland, Switzerland and Sweden?

    I don’t know anymore.

    Anyways, to answer Steve’s question I don’t think this type of situation is as similar in most of Europe.

    In Sweden there’s been some discussion why police have shot so many more recently(19 in 5 years). My math skills are probably a bit off but it looks like US police kill people 5 times as often when adjusted for population. Also, AFAIR no police officer’s been killed by a criminal for 13 years, and only 2 the last 25 years.

    I can see there being a case of saying both that police in USA is too trigger happy and that’s it’s completely expected that blacks will be targeted more often than their numbers indicate. On the other hand Americans may just be super violent people(and that includes a large segment of the white population).

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  46. Mike Tre says:

    “Do other countries have better ways for cops to handle these situations? How about, say, Finland? ”

    Does Finland have negroes?

  47. JMcG says:
    @Lagertha

    Finland, Switzerland, Israel.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  48. Art Deco says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    If I was a cop in the United States I would be lobbying for reduced access to handguns for the general public, being a serious public safety issue.

    Once more with feeling. We’ve had fantastic success in selected locales with reducing the homicide rate. None of it involved noodling with gun laws You’ve missed the point of the gun control discourse in this country. The point is to stick the blame for slum crime with gun hobbyists, a segment of society that is disproportionately small-town and rural and despised by the sort of people Democratic pols hang with.

  49. Anon215 says:

    Finland doesn’t have these sorts of problems because WHITE.

    And what’s up with “Jacob Blake, who is Black….”? Why do they always feel the need to point out the blacketyness of these “victims”?

  50. @Lagertha

    Switzerland
    Israel
    Lower Slobovia?

  51. Anon[319] • Disclaimer says:

    Do other countries have better ways for cops to handle these situations? How about, say, Finland? Finland has lots of guns, axes, and binge drinkers.

    Finland might have lots of guns, axes, and binge drinkers, but they don’t have…, err, nevermind.

  52. @anon

    Isn’t the whole justification for people owning their own handguns that they can use them in the event of a home invasion?

  53. @anon

    Are black women just in charge of everything now? Every major city in this country seems to have a black woman as mayor, or chief of police, or something.

    M-O-G

  54. black sea says:
    @Gary in Gramercy

    This reminds me of a quip I read somewhere about the Kardashian family having a long history of helping black men to get off.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
  55. Joe Joe says:
    @Lagertha

    Switzerland, Finland and Israel???

    • Replies: @Lagertha
  56. Joe Joe says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Not always Steve-O. How can you forget the original TV judge, Joseph P. Wapner???

  57. Thoughts says:

    I think there could be a three-part solution to the black community’s problems:

    1) A community organizer group trained to deal with domestic disputes specifically within the black community

    Over time this will go wrong, but…within a three point system could be good

    2) Quarantine

    If blacks commit crimes involving no weapons upon their ‘own turf’, the cops don’t respond…a look the other way approach

    3) No mercy for blacks with guns

    But if a crime is committed within a black neighborhood with gun/knife/other weaponry…Full force is used to get those offenders off the streets

    For example…a black guy sleeping in his car in a non-black neighbhorhood…send in the Community Organizer Group, with Police on Stand-By monitoring the situation

    A black guy sleeping in his car in a black area—Ignore

    This sounds a lot like Jim Crow doesn’t it

    And yet it’s very logical! Blacks want revenge on whites for policing their neighborhoods. So only police black neighborhoods for Weapon Based Violence.

    If blacks act strange in non-black neighborhoods, send in community organizers first. Especially if there is no report of a weapon.

    This applies to drugs as well…Breona wants to date the drug dealer, do it in the black area…whatever happens to her will be at the hands of other black drug dealers, not any cops of any race.

    Whites who want drugs, have to go into the black area to get them.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  58. I have seen police in Helsinki beat the crap out of violent drunks, but I don’t think the police in Finland generally fear for their lives. For the time being, Finland doesn’t have violent and hate-filled minorities who can’t be assimilated in large enough numbers to pose a huge problem. Sweden does, and I would guess that Sweden has to think about a different approach to law enforcement.

    The funny thing about many Finns is that they don’t seem to be learning a thing from the situation in Sweden and other European countries. They also bash America for our crazy political situation while ignoring their own.

  59. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:

    I read somewhere that Jacob “My Baby Daddying Days are Over” Blake was on some sort of probation or something where being caught with a knife would put him in jail. So maybe he was trying to stash that under the car seat before engaging with the cops. The plan didn’t work, and he’s peeing through a catheter now.

    Shooting blacks dead causes nothing but trouble, and depolicing is resulting in a bloodbath. Maybe police departments should change their rules of black body engagement to an “aim for the crotch” policy. With sufficient firing range time a cop could get to where he could take off a testicle or even the whole dick, disabling the brother. it would be too embarrassing to base a protest movement off of castrati victims (BLACK PENISES MATTER ?!?!), so the movement would go limp.

    • LOL: bruce county
  60. @Lagertha

    Switzerland and Finland? Finland is just a guess, but lots of people in Finland have hunting rifles and practice shooting regularly. I once shot a rifle with a suppresser in Finland, which I was told is legal.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    , @OilcanFloyd
  61. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles St. Charles

    The lunacy we’re now seeing on official levels is inevitable. There’s very little logic to the complaints it’s responding to, so there can be very little logic in the response.

    See for instance “Black Lives Matter and the Mechanics of Conformity” in Quillette.

    https://quillette.com/2020/09/17/black-lives-matter-and-the-mechanics-of-conformity/

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  62. Dan Smith says:

    Terrorist: You can’t shoot me.
    John McClane: Why not?
    Terrorist: You’re a policeman. There are rules.
    John McClane: (Pistol whips terrorist before breaking his neck)

  63. BB753 says:
    @anon

    This goes a long way in explaining the sad current state of municipal affairs. Obese, angry incompetent, obnoxious single black women running towns, police departments, district attorney offices, etc with huge chips on their shoulders and a couple of kids.

  64. JKS says:
    @anon

    “What’s the smartest thing you’ve ever heard a black woman say?” Hmmm. Are you old enough to remember Barbara Jordan? If not, you should look her up. What she had to say at the Watergate hearings was brilliant, powerful, and poetic. And while we’re at it, how about Condoleeza Rice? I’d say she’s likely smarter than you or me.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
  65. @Peter Lund

    Finland has Somalis and Arabs and Turks and Pakis now…

    Yeah but not 13% of their population (yet)

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  66. Arclight says:

    So do we have an example of a true instance of a trigger happy cop unreasonably using force against a Black person yet?

    Time and time again, it turns out a) the person shot had a checkered past, and b) put themselves in a situation in which cops felt they had to respond with force.

    We also have tons of tape of Democrats standing up for people who don’t turn out to be innocents.

  67. @Kerubi

    There was a chance to rid the world of a murderous Jihadist and the police blew it.

    “About to cut a woman’s throat.” What’s wrong with you people?

    • Agree: sayless
  68. anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I suppose that it is. But if you get scared and use it on someone who is actually coming into your house for a good reason, like these cops were, then they’re still allowed to defend themselves if you start shooting them. Unless you’re in the process of committing a felony, you don’t lose your right to life just because some black guy gets scared.

    And here is where people could get into an argument about no-knock warrants (which this doesn’t even seem to have been, but whatever) and whether it’s a good idea to put people into that position. But that’s not a reason to punish these individual cops, who don’t have any control over the policy that allows them.

  69. anon215 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    How about we just go back to aggressive quality of life policing, stop and frisk, traffic stops in strategic areas where criminals tend to be, use GIS maps with crime stats to deploy resources where problems exist, and other proactive measures to remove undesirable people from our midst? You know, the things that actually work.

    Oh yeah, we can’t do that because black.

  70. There was a review yesterday in the Wall Street Journal of a book (#16,001 or so, it’s said) about Lincoln. It’s claimed that America before the Civil War was even crazier than America now, and the book under review supposedly explains how Lincoln fit into the craziness.

    ‘Abe: Abraham Lincoln in His Times’ Review: Unruly Genius
    For David S. Reynolds, Lincoln’s greatness came from a deep affinity for his country’s wild side.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/abe-abraham-lincoln-in-his-times-review-unruly-genius-11601043046

    QUOTE:

    Some 16,000 books have been written about Abraham Lincoln—more than any other historical figure except Jesus. But there has never been one like this one by David S. Reynolds. The author, a literary scholar and historian at the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, has written a marvelous cultural biography that captures Lincoln in all his historical fullness. Mr. Reynolds is a distinguished cultural historian of antebellum America. Among his many books are cultural biographies of Walt Whitman and John Brown and an earlier work, “Beneath the American Renaissance,” which prepared the way for his unusual approach to biography—stunningly revealed in this life of Lincoln.

    Lincoln, like Whitman and Brown, was a product of his times; and those times were wild. Whatever we might think about the divisiveness, partisanship and violence of our own era, it is nothing compared to antebellum America. Government in the first half of the 19th century was weak and unstructured, and established institutions were few and far between. The economy was diffuse and unmanageable: Thousands of different kinds of paper-money notes flew about, and risk-taking and bankruptcies were everywhere; even some states went bankrupt. This was a rough-and-tumble world, and duels, rioting and mobbing were commonplace. Alcohol flowed freely, and Americans were drinking more per capita than nearly all other nations, which provoked desperate temperance movements. Fistfights, knifings and other explosions of violence seemed to be ordinary affairs, taking place even in state legislatures and the Congress. Public rhetoric was abrasive and harsh, and zany humor and sensationalism flourished in the popular press; people were especially eager to read lurid reports of suicides. The nervous nation was coming apart, torn by sectional conflict and the struggle over slavery.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  71. Brutusale says:

    Finland? We need to resurrect this guy and send him to Chicago. He even has the right nickname for the job.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

  72. Pericles says:

    Re: Finland. I’m informed the perpetrator stumbles out into the snow, waving the axe while mumbling what is known as “a manifesto”, perhaps while looking at his feet, then takes another swig from a clear bottle and weaves back into the sauna.

    • Replies: @Kylie
  73. @Arclight

    “So do we have an example of a true instance of a trigger happy cop unreasonably using force against a Black person yet?”

    Look at the cases where the cop is eventually convicted. They tend to be actual instances of bad behavior.

  74. iSteve “Choose Your Own Adeventure”:

    The Adventure of Policing Finland…

    Do other countries have better ways for cops to handle these situations? How about, say, your country? Your country has lots of guns, axes, and binge drinkers. What do the police do in your country?

    If police in your country do nothing special, click on response #1…
    If the police in your country crack down on crime, click on the response #2…

  75. @Chrisnonymous

    You chose response #1. Congratulations! Your country doesn’t have many sub-Saharan blacks or revolutionary professors or pandering politicians. You don’t need to do anything special.

  76. @Chrisnonymous

    You chose response #2. You care too much! Your country doesn’t have widespread murder, rape, and social unrest because of lack of entitled black Africans. Now you’ve overspent on police and created unnecessary draconian laws. Go back to the beginning of nation-states and try again!

  77. @Arclight

    I think this is a fair point. I used to have a black friend with whom I would discuss these things and I was always say to him show me an example of an innocent black person being executed by by a police death squad and you will have my support, but the examples given were always sketchy.

    But do the cops in, for example, Jamaica or Haiti have the same rates of killing people in domestic disputes? Off the top of my head I have no idea but it would be interesting to know.

    I think amnesty international alleges that there are many extra judicial killings by cops in Jamaica that are covered up.

    One thing that bothers me is that I get the impression that cops in the United States are all too ready with their claims that their lives were in danger as if they are looking for excuses to shoot rather than using it as an absolute last resort.

    I understand that these are often fraught situations and that the cops are scared, but I still suspect that better training could reduce the incidence of these kind of occurrences to an even lower level.

  78. Redman says:
    @The Alarmist

    I’ve been to Finland once in my life. Only time I have ever seen a woman punch a man in a bar. It blew my mind.

  79. El Dato says:
    @Charles St. Charles

    Well, you could have driv-thru (or not, in this case) “arrest centers”. Whenever somebody feels like being arrested while behind the wheel, he/she drives there.

    • LOL: Cloudbuster
  80. @AnotherDad

    The police have no duty to protect anyone.

  81. @Lagertha

    A bit of fun facts: name the 3 countries (2 in Europe, 1 in the ME) who have conscription and have the most guns per capita.

    Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland have active conscription, and the first two are the only countries in the world– in history– who draft women on the same terms as men.

    Norway was up front about this; the change was pushed by feminists themselves. Sweden backed into it. They suspended conscription in 2010 (as did Germany), with the proviso that should it return, women would be included. How brave of them! But (surprise!” it was back by 2018, “because Russia”.

    I knew a couple of guys in Finland, with Finnish mothers, who kept their fathers’ US and Canadian citizenships just to avoid the draft. The Canadian, of high school age, hadn’t been to his birthplace since age two. The American, approaching 30, had never set foot in the US at all.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  82. J.Ross says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    It’s a propaganda line borrowed and inculcated by the Israelis, starting in the 90s and really taking hold under W. There was a time when Israel self-defense secrets were considered magic, hawked to eager customers like Atilla’s business secrets, and it just happens that everything Israelis do is okay because they are guaranteeing their own safety while happening to use it to get something done, just just happens to be exactly what every cop needs. An excerpt quoted in Harper’s from an Israeli occupation critic describes an Israeli general strategizing and selling a procedure of burrowing through Palestinian houses since having his men walk through the streets was maximally dangerous (the passage may be satirical, Harper’s made it sound like it wasn’t, but there was an event where Israelis in a ghetto did protect themselves from sniper fire by smashing through people’s houses).

  83. @black sea

    I read somewhere about the Kardashian family having a long history of helping black men to get off.

    Lol…

  84. JMcG says:
    @Kerubi

    They should have finished the job right there. Now you have to pay to feed him until you let him back out of jail.

  85. anon[289] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    But do the cops in, for example, Jamaica or Haiti have the same rates of killing people in domestic disputes?

    Probably not, because I doubt that the cops in Haiti even bother showing up for domestic disputes. So probably, a lot more women get killed there, but it’s not by the cops, so who cares, right Jonathan?

    “One thing that bothers me is that I get the impression that cops in the United States are all too ready with their claims that their lives were in danger”

    Yeah. I mean. Just because a black guy admits to shooting at cops, why would they have any reason to believe their lives are in danger?

  86. JMcG says:
    @Art Deco

    He hasn’t missed the point at all. He’s a lofty expat Brit intellectual who isn’t comfortable with the peasantry running around with the means for effective self-defense. He’s the international equivalent of the Californians who’ve moved to Colorado and are busy fouling their new nest.

  87. JMcG says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    No, see the 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of your country of residence. For additional background, read the Federalist Papers.

  88. Finland doesn’t have the same demographics that the US does. It also doesn’t have a media that is trying to provoke a race war by any means necessary.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  89. @Jonathan Mason

    whole justification for people owning their own handguns

    Cue the bemused-foreigner-from-old-Blighty-trying-to-understand-the-colonists routine.

    Actually a shotgun would be much better in the event of a home invasion. Handguns are better for defending yourself outside of the home. They’re also good if you’re hunting in heavy brush or thickets when it might be tough to keep a long gun from getting snagged.

    The only justification I need for owning handguns is that I want them. It’s nobody else’s business.

    • Agree: BB753, Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @dvorak
  90. Farenheit says:

    I explained the problem to a friend recently thusly.

    If a cop, in a thirty year career, has one or two incidents per year that are potentially violent, and can result in a 99% chance of ending with no harm to the cop, then the cop over the course of his career has about a fifty-ish to seventy-ish percent chance of finishing his career without having been seriuosly injured, maimed or worse.

    That’s not good enough odds, so cops are going to do those things necessary to get that probability up to 99.9 or 99.99%. That helps illuminate these incidents where a “minor” incident goes sideways, and “excessive” force is used.

    Further, the general public, especially blacks, can’t comprehend this calculus, so when they see an incident where the cop has a 90 or 95% chance of coming out OK, they thinks that’s a perfectly fine margin of safety.

    This disconnect cause all manner of grieve in our society.

    • Agree: Aeronerauk
  91. anon[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Father O'Hara

    ‘Daily Show’ mocks Virginia gov’s COVID diagnosis as proof virus ‘disproportionately affects Black people’

    “While many offered their well-wishes to the couple, the Trevor Noah-hosted program invoked last year’s “blackface” controversy that threatened to sink Northam’s governorship.”

    But didn’t, because he’s still useful just now.

  92. @Wake up

    Defund the police! Why do Whites feel the need to get involved with Black dysfunction? Let the Tribal Chiefs try and control their “Peeps”. Pull the Police out of the ‘Hood now!

    Except that black people, even if they’re near 100% of the people in the hood, don’t come close to all living there. Plenty of non blacks have to deal with crime from black neighbors as well as blacks coming in from their hoods. And increasing crime will only put more pressure on black people to leave their hoods and create new ones in formerly nice areas.

    It’s this thing where we’re in a society and our actions affect one another.

  93. OT

    No clubs in London, no theatres, no (or few) just-turn-up restaurants, not much to go out and do any more.

    You realise what a small amount of living space you have.

    Then you look around at your neighbours.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/26/escape-country-covid-exodus-britain-cities-pandemic-urban-green-space

    “Debbie Gould had never seriously entertained the idea of leaving London before the coronavirus crisis. The 65-year-old retired makeup artist had lived in the city her whole life, first in Highbury in north London, then in a two-bed townhouse in Hackney in the east, with a garden “not much bigger than a postage stamp”, she says, which she loved nonetheless.

    But the thefts when lockdown was finally lifted were the first thing that started to change her mind. Her neighbours’ houses were broken into. Then some bikes were taken. The final straw came when her caravan was stolen.

    The pandemic has turned so many lives upside down and, for Gould, the city she loved had suddenly felt dangerous and claustrophobic. Her local park, London Fields, “turned into Glastonbury” every weekend, she says.”

    Glastonbury? Sounds great, doesn’t it? Whatever could the problem be?

    Gould decided she wanted space to “breathe and walk around”, to be somewhere you don’t have to lock your front door.

    Now she is moving to Norfolk, more than 100 miles away.

    If she thinks she can leave her door unlocked in Norfolk, that ship sailed 30 or 40 years ago.

    I hate to get all Heartiste, but the males all look like they’ve been mainlining soya for five years. These people are not going to be an asset to their new communities. Sod them. They should stay in London with their diverse pets.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
  94. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    The Karen, Laquisha Booker, has disappeared. Because lawsuit money.

    However, after begging the cops to save her babies, she attempted to change her story.

    Blake’s partner, Laquisha Booker, told NBC’s Milwaukee affiliate, WTMJ-TV, that the couple’s three children were in the back seat of the SUV when police shot him. “That man just literally grabbed him by his shirt and looked the other way and was just shooting him. With the kids in the back screaming. Screaming,” Booker said.

    The cops messed up big time, forgetting the black has intersectionality preference over women. And true to form, the blacks instantly got tribal and got it right. Laquisha went from estranged baby mama to fiancé. The only important fact was blackly black black.

    The cops and whites are Still obsessing over process. Blacks only care about outcomes. Black male shot, rioting, lawsuits.

    Also the cops forgot that blacks are mostly able to sort out serious domestic shit without cops. Blake being well known in the neighborhood and not seen as a threat, but rather a daddy, BBQing with the kids.

    The cops need to go down for a first degree intersectionality violation.

  95. @Jonathan Mason

    If I was a cop in the United States I would be lobbying for reduced access to handguns for the general public, being a serious public safety issue.

    The US homicide rate has gone down even as access to guns has gone up. It was hitting multi-decade lows on an absolute as well as per capita basis.

    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

    Then Obama’s DOJ began persecuting police departments for cases in which black repeat offenders were killed while fighting the cops. Note that it was hitting lows not just in NYC, but in states where gun rights were restored as well. Note also that outside of NYC, the rest of New York state has a fairly low murder rate despite much looser gun laws. The problem, as always, is black crime, and NYC is 1/4 black. Ultimately, the key to lower homicide rates is an increase in detectives on the force to go after habitual offenders in high-crime areas.

    The problem in the US is that large chunks of slum areas go un-policed because of accusations of racism. On one hand, blacks don’t want their criminal kids and relatives arrested for felonies. On the other, they want protection from other people’s criminal kids and relatives. The cops and Democrat politicians who cover these areas are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Republican areas don’t have these problems because Republican voters basically want criminals imprisoned or taken out, whatever race, ethnicity or creed they belong to or identify with.

  96. @AnotherDad

    You seem to have a better grasp of recent developments in this area of the law than the anonymous commenter to whom you replied. At the risk of coming off as a smart-ass:

    Anon pretty accurately describes the common law as it existed for centuries. But the Supreme Court forbad the states from continuing to follow the common law in Tennessee v. Garner 471 U.S. 1 (1985). Now, . . . “the officer [must have] probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. . . “ in order to shoot-to-kill a fleeing felon. (id. at 3). The case was decided six to three. I would have dissented, but only on jurisprudential and federalism grounds. The rule is not bad per se. If I were a legislator, I’d vote to enact it.

    Not that Garner changes the outcome of this case. The CNN report provides a further indication that the cop’s actions, in addition to being gutsy, complied with the letter of the law.

    BTW, CNN reported facts that don’t fit the narrative?? Well, broken clocks are right twice a day.

    • Replies: @anon
  97. @Wizard of Oz

    ” the Glasgow solution and its applicability to America’s black violence culture”

    Scotland usually has a per capita homicide rate twice that of England and Wales, but it has indeed gone down by 20% in the last 7 years.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50220269

    It’s mostly Scots doing the killing, so I doubt many lessons are applicable in America’s ghettoes. Over the same time period black homicides have soared. Ferguson Effect.

  98. Mr. Anon says:
    @Redneck farmer

    That, and when cops beat the shit out of a suspect resisting arrest, people won’t protest.
    When will police shootings decline? When the cops can routinely put people in the hospital when they resist arrest, and people don’t “care”.

    Good point. Cops use to routinely carry batons. They don’t seem to do so anymore. Those LA cops beat the Hell out of Rodney King when he resisted arrest, but they didn’t kill him. I guess now the cops would just shoot him to death. Is that a better outcome? But then the SJW crowd that support BLM don’t think about those things. They buy the whole lie that criminal behavior among Blacks is due to some nebulous, all-pervasive “institutional racism”.

  99. @Twinkie

    I suspect, sir, you know why we can’t adopt law enforcement polices Finland (or Singapore or Switzerland or Japan) has.

    While doing a comparison of international crime stats, I had a look at Singapore’s numbers a while back. Its criminal homicide to execution ratio was something like 1:1. Allowing for the fact that it executes drug mules/dealers, let’s assume that the ratio of murderers to drug criminals executed is 1:1. That would mean it kills 1 murderer for every 2 murders. We kill 1 murderer for every 300 murder victims, 20 years later. Singapore fast-tracks murder trials, appeals and executions the way we used to:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hauptmann#Execution
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Zangara#Execution

    Its executions occur within 5 years of arrest. It’s not soft on criminals. Anyone who kills *anyone*, let alone a cop, is probably looking at certain death, within a low single-digit number of years. That’s why Singaporean cops don’t have to worry about suspects trying to kill them. Criminals there know it’s a one way-ticket to hell.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  100. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The cop was hopelessly naive to think this was a real kidnapping. He was unfit to police in a black neighborhood.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @anon
  101. dvorak says:
    @guest

    Shouldn’t an A.G. want to catch people with outstanding warrants?

    The Soros & Tides Foundations’ project to put in Communist D.A.’s and A.G.’s was a brilliant and effective application of the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

    It may get Trump re-elected, but they can’t have everything.

  102. dvorak says:
    @William Badwhite

    Actually a shotgun would be much better in the event of a home invasion. Handguns are better for defending yourself outside of the home.

    With hollow-points, this is debatable. Handguns or carbines may be superior in the home because they’re faster/smaller.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  103. Anon[371] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Steve, this page is the top result for a Google search for murder offenders by race, and it says only 37 percent were black, in 2014.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2014.xls

    How does this jibe with your Taki mag figure of over half?

    (In convincing people of things, the trick of doing a Google search while they watch and pulling up the first authoritative result is more convincing than bringing up Taki or Unz. I’m glad I rehearsed it first!)

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  104. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Jonathan Mason

    Dumb comment. We have and always have feral blacks intent on killing Whites. Cops are few and far between and now just getting donuts. That’s the next thirty years min.

    Handguns are Reginald Denny insurance. It’s the one thing keeping defacto death squads as White men mostly accurately see most blacks as a Darius Sessums variant.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  105. @anon

    The obvious solution seems to be to not have any police presence whatsoever in black neighbourhoods.

  106. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon

    Steve, this page is the top result for a Google search for murder offenders by race, and it says only 37 percent were black, in 2014.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_3_murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2014.xls

    How does this jibe with your Taki mag figure of over half?

    In that table, 4,132 of the murders have the race listed as “unkown”. Presumably those were open cases. A lot of them may never be cleared, so the race of the murderer may never be known. Among the cases listed where the race was known (about 70% of the total), the offender was Black in 53% of them.

    Of course it is possible that all of the remaining 30% of murders were committed by white offenders, but it is not likely. It is actually entirely likely that the offenders were black by an even greater majority in those cases (some evidence of that might be found by looking at the breakdown of victims by race). In which case the proportion of all murders committed by black offenders was even greater than 53%. But 53% is a conservative estimate.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  107. @JimDandy

    Because everyone of these narratives is a lie.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  108. @Art Deco

    There’s no reason there can’t be a right wing anti gun movement aimed at getting guns away from dangerous people rather than just being a pretext to humiliate white christians. Who cares if that’s not the main thrust of the “discourse”?

  109. Thoughts says:
    @Arclight

    Chris Kelley—white guy beaten by cops

    There were lots of white people demonstrating over that, but the media gave it NO AIR

    So anyone who says white people don’t protest is wrong…we are given no screen time and then it dies out

    I think there are PLENTY of cases of cops unfairly shooting blacks…but….but….

    That’s not the point of this little BLM/Protest Exercise of the last few months

    The point IS to highlight the cases that will make blacks angry and white people angry at the Same Time…Maximum Anger is the Goal

    And the truth is…If we listen to our Guts…cops are a bit dangerous nowadays…I don’t like the fact that they are learning Israeli Tactics…I don’t want a family member not given CPR when they lose consciousness for whatever reason….I don’t want to worry about calling the cops over a domestic dispute and getting shot

    I think the ISteve Commentators are focusing too much on the Cherry Picked Media Examples

    We need to go off the beaten path…find some white victims of cop abuse and some black victims…cuz we know they are out there

    Those cases would be far more illuminating as to the present premise of Cops Behaving Badly

  110. Possumman says:
    @Mr McKenna

    Those are “smart- girl glasses” a lot of young pretty newstalkers wear them too.

  111. anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Like I said it before, “no more white police showing up at black people’s doors”. A white officer can drive a poc to the area, but must wait in the car to take video or call other poc’s to the scene if needed. It might be good to have a liaison officer, some one like the pimp getting paid 150k to attend calls so that he can ne-go-tiate with the man who is being per-pe-tra-ted against. Of course liaison officer’s will not be allowed to carry any kind of weapons as it may an-tag-o-nize the offended, who is having his spiritual ex-is-tance ogled and sus-pected by the white man.
    Now unarmed poc’s will be able to make the suspected poc poi (person of interest), feel comfortable so that he won’t resist because they’re all the same people, and everyone knows whites are not poc’s people and we have nothing in common.
    Just like it’s good to have Muslim police their own communities and people.

  112. @Fredrik

    Multivariate of murder rates clearly shows American Whites are not that different from Europeans. Then again, mebbe they have a special dislike for cops?

  113. @West reanimator

    Yeah but not 13% of their population (yet)

    But they are working on it. There is a certain type of Finn, who is robot stupid on the issue of race, that you don’t see among the multicultis in America. Most Americans know the truth about race, and live accordingly, but most Finns don’t know much at all. Being lectured on the issues of race and American politics by someone who has never known a black person, or spent much time in the U.S., or studied U.S. history is bizarre, but I’ve come across Finns who will do that. I know Finns who will tell you that immigrants have as much right to Finland as Finns, so Finland is likely to change more than it has already.

  114. anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey

    “Dumb comment. We have and always have feral blacks intent on killing Whites.”

    You’re right but we’ve also had feral whites intent on killing. We just keep adding to our misery. Having crazy white people just wasn’t enough for us we had to add crazy from the whole world to make our lives diversified and complete, all trying to kill whites.

  115. @anon

    Frankly I was surprised at the lawyer taking the low White Knight road and throwing the black lady under the bus – even if it is the logical thing to do.
    Come to think about it, in times like these how else is a White male to get out of this shit?
    “Officer feared for his life” is getting both old and a little “so what”.

    That said, no officer should have to go through the hypocritical motions, especially not if he violated protocol at risk to himself to deescalate …
    … not so much because it is transparent and makes hypocrites of us all,
    not even because the LAST thing that is needed is a less White and less male force,
    but because it implicitly accepts jogger impunity as a Sibbyl Rite, just with an exception in THIS case.

    (and yes, officers also ought to wear their chest noticably higher 😀 )

  116. @anon

    OneFiveThree, sometimes the “Agree” button is not enough. Baltimore couldn’t get enough of black women mayors, but of course we know where that led.

  117. @utu

    utu, nice post but Alexis de Tocqueville died in 1859. And, to me, his quote makes little sense…a criminal is an enemy of society where we have laws.

    • Replies: @utu
  118. anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    It literally was a real kidnapping.

    • Replies: @anon
  119. Bud Lite says:

    OT

    My hilarious (conservative son) just asked me, “So who did Amy Coney Barrett rape?”

    I responded with, “I believe him.”

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Ron Mexico
  120. @Thoughts

    Thoughts,.. Every midsized or larger city has more black community organizations dedicated to everything you can imagine. Usually with an alphabeth name and lots of well dressed black men and women in charge. Billions of dollars in budgeted money and grants, usually lillte oversight. Do you see the difference they have made across America?

  121. Finland must have had binge drinkers, axes, etc. amongst its native population before being blessed with(((diversity))), but it took forced (((diversity))) to get Finland (and the rest of Europe) to its current sorry state of affairs

  122. JimDandy says:
    @Percy Gryce

    Tru dat.

    Since Trayvon and Ferguson, I have made a point of looking very closely at all of the high profile stories about white cops/wannabe cops supposedly murdering or oppressing blacks. In every single case the media put out a false narrative. The only exception I came across was the Sandra Bland case. But justice was served there:

    The cop was out of line. He had no right to arrest Bland. And he was fired. But he didn’t hurt her–she killed herself. And while someone might feel intuitively that he mistreated her because she was Black! there is no proof that his behavior was racially-motivated, and, further complicating that narrative, a black female cop was backing him up during the incident.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  123. Muggles says:

    Off topic, but probably deserving its own iSteve article. BLM Money Scam!

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-activist-spent-200g-in-black-lives-matter-donations-on-house-personal-expenses-fbi

    There may be better links.

    The BLM scammer (alleged) is a very ugly looking red headed white guy (White!).

    Of course they say he spent tons of money on himself. Hey, maybe he was just believing he was black (Black!). Needed new Nikes, etc.

    Recall several weeks back when “Ibram X” got a huge $10 mil grant from some idiot Woke billionaire, there were a lot of comments about what will happen to the BLM dough, corruption, scams, lack of oversight, etc.

    Evidently whitey here (let’s just call him Ugly Red) set up his own BLM Atlanta group after “parting” with the official white man/black lesbian run LA based BLM outfit.

    I wonder if the FBI will be as diligent about the brothas and sistas BLM intake? In this case Ugly Red was dimed by someone who didn’t get their own fat share. Imagine that! No honor among thieves.

    Money squandered on BLM honchos is supposed to be for POC folks and their fancy cars, not stupid looking white punks! Maybe his antifa pals will show up at his digs wanting their cut.

    Let’s hope.

  124. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Baby daddy is passe. Sperm donor is more accurate.

    Careful. Satisfied sperm bank customers just hate it when you use the term that way.

    “This precious, miracle baby i’m carrying inside of me was made possible because of the actions of a real sperm donor. To call someone a sperm donor as an insult, is derogatory to those who actually use donors. I am SO grateful for our donor, that he made our family possible. There is nothing negative about it.”

    https://community.whattoexpect.com/forums/june-2015-babies/topic/rant-sperm-donor-as-name-calling.html

    “That is not offensive but a sperm donor donates out of kindness. He doesn’t deserve that. He deserves DEADBEAT DAD!”

    https://community.babycenter.com/post/a53978941/sperm_donor_insulting_or_no

    A “real sperm donor” is the ultimate deadbeat dad.

  125. Neuday says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I live in a part of the U.S. with the 2nd highest per capita gun ownership. Lots of hunting rifles, but also lots of handguns and high-capacity magazines for our “assault rifles”. We’re also Constitutional Carry, meaning we can carry concealed weapons or open carry as long as we’re not prohibited by law (felony conviction, mental issues, etc.). Yet we have no “serious public safety issue”, hardly any homicide or other gun crimes. I’ll let you guess the reason.

    The United States isn’t ungovernable. We simply have a racial problem combined with our well-marched-through institutions indoctrinating everyone to hate White people. Nothing more.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
  126. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Stop. Being. Excitable. Retards.”

    For shame, to be talking about the Governor and Lieutenant Governor of the State of Wisconsin that way!

  127. Headline of the Year, so far:

    Don’t let COVID-Induced Racism Protect American Animal Cruelty

    How 2020 can you get?

    As for Jacob ” ‘s Bladder” Blake, he needs a theme song.

    She movin’ on up, to Kenosha
    To a subsidized apartment built with OSHA
    She movin’ on up to Kenosha
    I ain’t gettin’ no mo’ piece of her pie…

  128. Neuday says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Isn’t the whole justification for people owning their own handguns that they can use them in the event of a home invasion?

    You honestly don’t understand this country at all.

    We have guns because we’re a free people, and we might need guns to defend those freedoms from tyranny.

    From a practical standpoint, many places in the U.S. the nearest law enforcement is quite far away. I like those places. Also, many of the women I’ve known have appreciated that I won’t let some crazed animal cause harm to her. Yeah, women can shoot a gun, but being able to draw a bead on a guy and squeeze the trigger without hesitation while under stress is another thing altogether. Most women want no part of that.

    Maybe it’s different back East, or in Europe.

  129. @Kerubi

    What kind of country are you running , over there, a Barnaby Jones episode where Barnaby resolves the case by shooting the bad guy in the arm?

    A man is poised to cut a woman’s throat, that is, poses an immediate deadly threat to an innocent person, and you shoot him in the thigh? Do your police not know how to shoot straight, or was this an expertly placed shot that shattered his femur that the assailant simply dropped in his tracks and was unable to carry out his deadly threat to the woman?

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  130. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Thanks.

    It is actually entirely likely that the offenders were black by an even greater majority in those cases (some evidence of that might be found by looking at the breakdown of victims by race). In which case the proportion of all murders committed by black offenders was even greater than 53%.

    In addition snitches get stitches, so the probability of a murder going unsolved is likelier than for victims of white offenders.

  131. @Jonathan Mason

    I don’t know about Finland, but in Britain police do not usually take guns to domestic disputes, and seem to be able to manage the situation.

    Because the disputants themselves are domestic, i.e., British.

    It’s the “Old Country Rule”. Americans tend to behave like their cousins in the old country.

  132. anon[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @I, Libertine

    Now, . . . “the officer [must have] probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. . . “ in order to shoot-to-kill a fleeing felon.

    He wasn’t a “fleeing felon”. If he fled with the kids, then the “fleeing” IS the felony. The felony of kidnapping. It’s not like he committed a felony, and he was then fleeing from the cops. He hadn’t YET committed the felony of kidnapping. The commission of that forcible felony was imminent. Hence, the had every right to use deadly force to prevent it, in most states. It’s not even a cop thing. If YOU saw someone in the process of committing a forcible felony, you could shoot them.

  133. Muggles says:
    @JimDandy

    The cop was out of line. He had no right to arrest Bland. And he was fired. But he didn’t hurt her–she killed herself. And while someone might feel intuitively that he mistreated her because she was Black! there is no proof that his behavior was racially-motivated, and, further complicating that narrative, a black female cop was backing him up during the incident.

    Since I live nearby I can tell you about the facts that are not often mentioned. She was arrested in Waller County, NW of Houston, and home to Prairie View A&M, an HBU adjunct to the Texas A&M in College Station about 80 miles away.

    Bland had been in Chicago and was returning to PV A&M. Before leaving she wrote (tweeted, etc.) that she was coming back to Texas to “teach” the redneck cops a thing or two. So she was committing some traffic infraction but got mouthy and in my view, wanted to get arrested. So as to make a big fuss about “racism.” I think she was mentally unstable as well, perhaps narcissistic/histrionic personality disorder. Also probably bipolar. Dr. Muggles here.

    Her own family in Houston refused to provide the $500 bail for her after she called them. That says something. They never said why nor is it ever mentioned. Clearly they knew she was just “acting out” again and let her stew. If Black Lives Matter so much, it didn’t for them. A weekend in jail is what she had.

    Then she manages to hang herself in jail. I think they even had a suicide watch on her (not foolproof). So she got her wish, became a BLM martyr. Depressive phase of bipolar, along with the other self aggrandizing crazy behavior. No one white/black ever laid a finger on her other than at her arrest.

    Sandra Bland, fake martyr. Sadly crazy black young woman. Not even worth $500 to her family to get her out of the weekend jail cell. That part of this pathetic tale never gets any daylight.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @JimDandy
  134. @YetAnotherAnon

    Notice not one normal nuclear family in the bunch interviewed/mentioned. The closest is a guy with his “partner and her daughter.”

  135. Mr. Anon says:

    OT:

    A whole new facet to the gig-economy:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/landlords-avoid-confrontation-uber-evictions

    They’re looking for temp-hires to evict people who’ve fallen behind on their rent because of COVID.

    Dig the companies name: “Civvl” – sounds like “Civil”. Because nothing is more civil than a stranger coming to your door to roust you out of your home because some jackass in a statehouse said you couldn’t work.

    This is somewhat reminiscent of the trash-out contractors who flourished in the wake of the housing bubble. But whereas they mostly just emptied out abandoned homes that upside-down people walked away from, the friendly people from Civvl will be showing up at your door, and carrying your stuff out to the street while your kids cry.

    Thankyou, Governors of America, for destroying the livelihoods of millions of your citizens. Way to go!

  136. Mike Tre says:
    @Redneck farmer

    He’s not. He’s a blank slating, anti-HBD, euro troll who hides behind a very cynical interpretation of Christianity.

  137. Jack D says:
    @Bud Lite

    Oh, don’t worry. They ‘ll find something. Maybe she a racist? She looks like some kind of Nazi Aryan maiden. Yes she has adopted some Haitian kids – maybe she plans on cooking them for dinner. Several black women are going to appear in front of Congress and swear that she called them dirty good for nothing N-words. How could we possibly have a confirmed racist on the Court? Beria said, “show me the man and I will show you the crime.” Just use your imagination. Chuckie Schumer is working on it as we speak. No one is safe from lies.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  138. Jack D says:
    @Muggles

    Her own family in Houston refused to provide the $500 bail for her after she called them. That says something. They never said why nor is it ever mentioned.

    Probably because they didn’t have $500.

  139. Mike Tre says:
    @dvorak

    A buckshot spread gives one a much greater chance of hitting their target than a single projectile, while reducing the possibility of collateral injury as pistol/rifle rounds tend to penetrate further through drywall than shot does.

  140. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    You and the iSteve crowd and the cop and his lawyer think so.

    But literally, nobody else thinks so. Has anyone else called this a kidnapping?

    Everyone else thinks it’s just how black folk do. The CNN reporter could get cancelled for going off narrative.

    So yea, it was literally kidnapping but will it be enough to get the cop off? In a parallel universe maybe.

    So is the cop a hero? A victim? Or a sucker?

    And FWIW, a real kidnapping involves ransom. Or sex slavery. Not a birthday party gone wrong.

    • Replies: @anon
  141. @anon

    Perhaps you didn’t read the penultimate sentence of my comment.

    • Replies: @I, Libertine
    , @anon
  142. @Wizard of Oz

    You realize (or maybe you don’t) that in terms of the original literature, “Wizard of Oz” is not a laudatory term. In fact it is a derisive term, a term for a fraud or a humbug. It signifies not someone who knows so much he is a wizard, but rather, someone who is faking it and pretending to be a wizard. Americans used to be made of more skeptical stuff.

    Just lettin’ ya know.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  143. MB says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    I noticed that too whether an arrest or with crowd control at the peaceful riots. Where are the batons these days?
    Tazers are evidently more humanitarian/politically correct and then when they don’t work, the suspect cannot be subdued/fights back and the cops reach for the gun.

    Maybe going back to the old technology would help, but then again everybody’s a film director these days with their cell phone.

  144. @Jack D

    Oh, don’t worry. They ‘ll find something. Maybe she a racist? She looks like some kind of Nazi Aryan maiden. Yes she has adopted some Haitian kids – maybe she plans on cooking them for dinner

    Looks like their going to go with ‘transracial adoption is an expression of white supremacy’.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
  145. @JKS

    What I recall Condoleeza Rice saying, was her telling George W. Bush that she would be an American first, as SecState, and then as soon as she was sworn in, discovering that above everything else, she was black first, last, and always.

    What pearls of her wisdom did you catch that I missed?

  146. Templar says:
    @Lagertha

    Finland
    Switzerland
    Israel

  147. Kylie says:
    @Pericles

    Okay, that was funny. But not as funny as your comment about Hillary. That was priceless.

  148. @Mr. Anon

    The LAPD had banned the chokehold a couple of years before Rodney King, so they only had batons to use on him, but he was an extremely tough guy, plus was out of his mind on angel dust, so he kept getting up over and over.

  149. JimDandy says:
    @Muggles

    Thanks. That’s all interesting. She definitely had an attitude, but the cop was way out of line, in my opinion. He profiled her, which doesn’t bother me at all. But he couldn’t handle the fact that she was indignant about it?

    Telling her not to smoke in her own car? Then yanking her out of the car and putting her on the ground and arresting her for assaulting an officer? I think he deserved to be fired.

    But, like I said in my first post, she killed herself. That’s on her, and, I agree, she must have been crazy.

  150. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    “Blake, while attempting to flee the scene, was trying to

    kidnap a child in the backseat of the vehicle.”

    FIRST, we need to ditch the Frankfurt School/Feminist reframing of “kidnapping” as including the taking of A MAN’S OWN CHILDREN.

    Having one’s children removed by one’s estranged spouse can no doubt be distressing to the other spouse. Occasionally the removal may pose a peripheral risk to the children, such as when the removing spouse engages in drunk driving. But it simply does not compare to the scenario of a stranger abduction which is what normal people understand by “kidnapping.”

    So let’s put an end to this ridiculous misuse of the word “kidnapping.” In the Blake case, we are looking at worst at a parent abduction.

    Note how the feminists desperately talk around the well established FACT that having had NO contact with their father is a well known risk factor leading to young girls and guys going of the rails. But they don’t want you to think let alone talk about this.

    • Replies: @jsm
    , @anon
    , @sayless
    , @anon
  151. @kaganovitch

    The response to that calumny is that, in adopting two Haitian children, Judge Barrett and her husband were just “doing one more job black Americans won’t do.”

  152. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Sperm donor is more accurate.

    Sire is even more accurate.

    • Agree: jsm, sayless
  153. utu says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Consider reading Tocqueville. You may ending up learning about yourself much more than by whatever you have been exposed by now. With “a criminal is an enemy of society where we have laws.” you just confirm Tocqueville’s observation that you are a part of the mob that supports the vigilantes.

  154. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Thank you. Some very snarky people have already sought to make something of that important information but, apart from one alcoholic , given up when repetition bored even them. As it happens I am Australian, interested in politics and, when the moniker was first needed I had just been reading about Lynton Crosby, dubbed the Wizard of Oz after he moved to the UK and did much to get Boris Johnson as mayor and David Cameron as PM elected. So, absolutely no connotation attached and I urge you not to overtaking the matter, while thanking you for taking the trouble.

  155. @Bud Lite

    The Hodge Twins were joking that Amy was a tutor in college and didn’t do much book tutoring. She “forced” her male students to get erections and to orgasm multiple times.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  156. @Nicholas Stix

    What do you mean by “black, first, last, and always”?

    That seems odd when her academic specialty was (from memory) Russia.

    As to intelligence I would have to rate being Provost of Stanford for six years as pretty good proof.

  157. @Calvin Hobbes

    Your last 4-5 sentences perfectly describe a week in the life of Andrew Jackson. Lincoln was a tough dude, but a middleweight to Jackson’s super heavyweight.

  158. @Mr. Anon

    At least it would have been a female CHP officer doing the shooting so that would be woth a few brownie points. #YougoGIRL

  159. @Reg Cæsar

    So, you don’t count Switzerland as part of Europe?

    Last time they put it to a vote, something greater than 70% of Swiss voters were pro-conscription. I got an earful from a Swiss couple about the upcoming referendum on financing new fighter aircraft for the Air Force, and they jokingly told me the F-18s they currently have are so fast they can’t turn in Swiss airspace (which is not true) and have to be based outside Switzerland (not sure if that is true). The most remarkable statement (which I cannot confirm) is that pro-fighter arguments included the assertion that they could be used to support the police, which is indeed overkill if true.

    They asked me if I thought Switzerland needed new fighters, and I said that a few SAMs and AAA would do the job of an air force at a far lower cost, but as an American, I thanked them on behalf Boeing and the US for shoveling boatloads of cash their way and told them that I was sure they would appreciate Switzerland’s continuing patronage.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  160. @Joe Walker

    Finland doesn’t have the same demographics that the US does. It also doesn’t have a media that is trying to provoke a race war by any means necessary.

    Tru dat, but Finland has serious problems with its recent migrants, a fact that both officialdom and media are desperate to downplay, because a race war would be a very lopsided win for Finnish natives. Same story in most of Europe and the UK.

  161. @anon

    The fact that you might be able to legally shoot a fleeing felon is hardly justification for doing so, unless it is really a matter of life and death.

    Otherwise we are going to have correctional officers more or less executing inmates at will for not following orders.

    But it is the only question of interpretation. The problem is that police in the US tend to turn to shooting people a little bit more than they ought to, when do you get people who are mentally ill or drunk, or under the influence of drugs being shot and killed when it’s probably not necessary and not truly a matter of life and death.

    The whole thing about “he was trying to take my gun, honest” is getting a bit old.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    , @anon
  162. @Jack D

    I once provided bail for a friend of a friend, so to speak, and the person was bailed but the money I had put out for the bail was confiscated and put towards his fine, so I never got the money back. That is probably why the family didn’t put up the money for the bail.

    I will never put up money for bail for anybody again.

  163. “He’s got my kid(s), he’s got my keys”.

    Maybe the kid was his too. This is hardly evidence that he was going to kill the child.

    I know it is common for people to have arguments in divorce or child custody issues, but when one parent takes a child from the other parent, the taking parent is actually assuming a huge responsibility for the welfare of the child.

    It is very tempting to make judgments based on slight evidence but in most cases when these kind of events get widely reported a lot of information is missing, and then after the event a lot of people are trying to spin the public perception by making misleading statements.

    In this case we don’t really know whether the children felt that they were being kidnapped or not.

    • Replies: @anon
  164. AceDeuce says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    Con-DUH-leeza (AKA “Melanin Albright”) was indeed beyond worthless.

    The “black, first, last, and always” thang is certainly not unique to her. They are all like that. Most will brag about it. Of course if a white person says that about them, they will deny it and cry racism.

    I just noticed who you I was responding to, so, my apologies. You already know all that, You’re one of the relatively few people with a platform who do. I look at your site every day. Kudos.

  165. AceDeuce says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Wow, you are naïve. Are you living in Europe, by chance?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  166. @Wizard of Oz

    OK, OK, we finally “get” it, that Oz is slang for Australia.

    Often political epitaphs have a double meaning, and “Wizard of Oz” may have caught on, especially with the political opposition, not only that they guy is from Australia, but that he is a “slick” political operator? Like a Roger Stone?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  167. @anon

    Exact same case early this morning in Dearborn, Michigan.
    While the race of the knife-wielding slasher is not yet public, Dearborn is perhaps the most Arabic city in the USA.

    Whether Dearborn (home to Ford Motor Company’s world headquarters) goes up in flames hinges on whether the deceased would-be murderer was Arabic or Black.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2020/09/27/dearborn-police-shoot-kill-man-who-attacked-girlfriend/3554147001/

  168. @Wizard of Oz

    Well given the brawling food-fight nature of the Internet, what a pleasure to get such a thoughtful and courteous reply.

    It’s funny: like the old saying goes, on the Internet, nobody knows you’re a dog. Or a seppo. As it happens I have lots of Australian friends, and I like and admire Ozzies a great deal. In conversation if I had heard your accent aloud, I would have immediately gotten the joke. It’s one of the limitations of the print/screen medium alas.

    Meantime, good on yer, mate!

    btw what part of that splendid continent are you in?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  169. jsm says:
    @Anonymous

    The HBD explanation for girls going off the rails when un-contacted by their fathers is: the father is an SOB who either abandoned them or got rightfully kicked out of their lives by the mother, and he gave his girls his bad genes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  170. @Steve Sailer

    so they only had batons to use on him,

    I thought that era was, “Peak 4 D-cell Mag-Lite?”

  171. @Wizard of Oz

    You apparently don’t realize how stupid you sound.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  172. CCZ says:
    @Wake up

    “Why do Whites feel the need to get involved with Black dysfunction?”

    “One dead, at least 11 injured in shooting at motorcycle club gathering in Waterloo, Iowa.”

    Who would have immediately thought “blacks” in 77% white Waterloo? Until I read “urban motorcycle clubs” and that “a fight started between some of the people who came to the hospital after the victims were transported there.”

    “Dumarkcus Dewayne Gibbs, 27, of 1319-6 Ravenwood Road, and Sincere Lanae Jones, 20, of 3210-7 Tropic Lane, were arrested for disorderly conduct and assault on a peace officer. A third person arrested at the scene was 18-year-old Shekaunah Rogers, of 632 W. Park Ave., on several outstanding warrants.

    “The shooting occurred at the end of about a 24-hour period that included two other gunshot incidents Friday morning, which police said they do not believe were connected to Saturday’s events.”

    https://wcfcourier.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/more-details-one-dead-at-least-11-injured-in-shooting-at-motorcycle-club-gathering-in/article_6bf53139-8587-5a16-8642-9bdc4f0ddcf1.html

    Waterloo, Iowa, 77% white, with a black mayor and a black police chief. Whites can’t escape!!

  173. @Jonathan Mason

    The problem is that blacks in the US tend to force police shootings little bit more than they ought to…

    The whole thing about blacks trying to take cops’ guns and kill them with them is getting a bit old.

    FIFY

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  174. Dissident says:
    @Ron Mexico

    The Hodge Twins were joking that Amy was a tutor in college and didn’t do much book tutoring. She “forced” her male students to [engage carnally with her]

    College? Gotta go down to (at least) high school to be really titillati–, er, I mean, scandalous
    ~ ~ ~

    Finland has lots of guns, axes, and binge drinkers.

    And yet a low crime rate. Perhaps it’s the climate…

  175. @Wizard of Oz

    So enlighten me if that wasn’t just immature lashing out to cover the fact that you foolishly blurted some nonsense and are now embarrassed.

  176. @Nicholas Stix

    Wizard of Oz says:

    September 27, 2020 at 5:47 pm GMT

    So enlighten me if that wasn’t just immature lashing out to cover the fact that you foolishly blurted some nonsense and are now embarrassed.

  177. anon[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    And FWIW, a real kidnapping involves ransom. Or sex slavery. Not a birthday party gone wrong.

    No, actually, a real kidnapping is when you remove children from the custody of their guardian without authorization.

    And seriously. “Birthday party gone wrong”? How old are you? Do you STILL believe black people when they come up with this crap? Like, I bet you believe that Mike Brown had his hands up, and was saying “Don’t shoot!”, don’t you? And Breonna Taylor had NO idea he ex was a drug dealer, right? It just never dawned on her that it was strange that an apparently unemployed man always seemed to have piles of money.

    That’s pretty funny, if you do.

    Everyone else thinks it’s just how black folk do

    Well, yeah. It is. Being really stupid and committing all kinds of really dumb crimes IS how black folks do. That’s why they keep getting shot by the cops all the time, and why most of the time, nobody has a problem with it, outside of these occasional moments of frenzy we periodically go through.

  178. anon[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @I, Libertine

    I did. I am just pointing out that what you said about “fleeing felons” had nothing whatsoever to do with my original comment.

  179. anon[368] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    FIRST, we need to ditch the Frankfurt School/Feminist reframing of “kidnapping” as including the taking of A MAN’S OWN CHILDREN.

    No we don’t. Why would we need to do that? The only reason we would need to do that is if we were, for some reason, really desperate to excuse black criminality. And I’m not.

    Having one’s children removed by one’s estranged spouse can no doubt be distressing to the other spouse.

    Yes, well. It’s also against the law. And you may not LIKE that law. That’s fine. But the fact is, it IS against the law, and the police are responsible for the laws that are on the books. Not the way you WANT the laws to be.

    And I don’t know how to tell you this, but the cops don’t typically carry around paternity tests with them, so they can test kidnappers to see whether or not they actually ARE the biological parents of the children they’re kidnapping.

    But it simply does not compare to the scenario of a stranger abduction which is what normal people understand by “kidnapping.”

    And, again. How were the cops supposed to KNOW that he was the biological father of the children he was about to kidnap? Hmm?

    Perhaps he should have stopped fighting with the cops and tried to explain that to them. But he didn’t, did he?

    I think, if this happened to me, I’d probably stop what I was doing, say, after the first time I was tased. But I guess that’s because I’m blessed with an IQ over 85.

    So let’s put an end to this ridiculous misuse of the word “kidnapping.” In the Blake case, we are looking at worst at a parent abduction.

    Kidnapping.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  180. anon[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The fact that you might be able to legally shoot a fleeing felon is hardly justification for doing so, unless it is really a matter of life and death.

    He wasn’t a fleeing felon. He was a man about to kidnap children.

    It’s sort of like if there’s a guy with a machete, and he’s running away from you, towards someone else, screaming “I’m going to kill you!”. That guy’s not fleeing either. He’s about to commit a crime. Just because someone is moving away from you does not necessarily mean he’s “fleeing”.

    Look. We get it. You hate cops and you love black crime. You love it so much that you think black people should be allowed to kidnap all the children they want to kidbap, and the cops are just big fat Melanie’s for trying to prevent kidnappings. I know you think that loving black crime makes you a good and moral person. That’s great. If you were here, I would pin a great big Good Guy badge on you, and give a big speech in front of the whole town about how wonderful you are for being so nice to the blacks.

    Would that be enough to get you to knock it off?

    The whole thing about “he was trying to take my gun, honest” is getting a bit old.

    This guy was ON CAMERA fighting with the cops with a knife in his hand. It was ON CAMERA trying to drive off with someone else’s kids.

    What’s getting old is people like you, pretending that the cops are the problem, and not your pet blacks.

  181. anon[368] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Maybe the kid was his too. This is hardly evidence that he was going to kill the child.

    Well. Maybe, after the first time he got tased, he should have reconsidered his strategy of pretending that it wasn’t a “real” kidnapping somehow. Because I think that, if I was him, the first taser shot would be the point at which I figured out that the cops weren’t screwing around, and REALLY DID want me to stop.

    It is very tempting to make judgments based on slight evidence

    Clearly, because that’s literally all you ever do.

    but in most cases when these kind of events get widely reported a lot of information is missing, and then after the event a lot of people are trying to spin the public perception by making misleading statements.

    Right, and you always believe them. I don’t even know why they bother doing that, though, since you will ALWAYS take the side of the black criminal. What’s the point of even trying to explain it, when we know that you’re just going to do that, every time?

    In this case we don’t really know whether the children felt that they were being kidnapped or not.

    But we know that it WAS a kidnapping, whether they felt like it or not, and we know that the cops DID try to stop the black guy without actually using deadly force, and we know he DID have a knife, and he DID fight with the cops, and we know that it’s completely moronic to take the black guy’s side here, and we know you’re doing it anyway, just because that’s your nature.

    What else is there to talk about?

  182. @The Alarmist

    So, you don’t count Switzerland as part of Europe?

    Das war nicht als Antwort auf Lagerthas Rätsel gedacht.

    Ce n’était pas une réponse à l’énigme de Lagertha.

    Non era intesa come risposta all’enigma di Lagertha.

    Last time they put it to a vote, something greater than 70% of Swiss voters were pro-conscription.

    Not for women, I bet.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  183. @Steve Sailer

    Sub Saharan Africans are on average sturdier than other races and can take more punishment before going down, which is one reason why they’re so successful in combat sports.

    Early slave traders and owners had noticed that themselves, so being extremely violent towards Africans might have been applied not just to keep them down but also because they could actually withstand so severe beatings.

  184. @AceDeuce

    No, and you surely misuse “naive”. I may be ignorant and that is why I posed to the original commenter and now pose to you, despite your verbal clumsiness, the questions I raise , first, about the meaning of and evidence for her blackness as alleged given that, at the very least, Bush must have wanted to consult her about Russia and the former Eastern Bloc and second, about what her being Provost of Stanford says about her intelligence.

    I do understand that you may not be aware of what being Provost of a top 10 university requires or indeed what distinguishes top universities from community colleges. But do your best.

  185. @Inquiring Mind

    But never accused of illegality I think.

  186. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Indeed it is good to find some gratuitous courtesy on blogs, not least UR.

    I wonder just how much embarrassment and career or social harm would be done if all pseudonyms were suddenly lifted!

    I’m in what The Economist may, after some years, stop calling “the world’s most liveable city” thanks to Dictator Dan’s buggering of the Covid response and having to put us back into Stage 4 lockdown. Still as I look out in the morning on spring sun highlighting new leaves on 120 year old elms in Yarra Park I am glad that the Melbourne Cricket Ground, which I can glimpse through the trees is not going to host crowds of 100,000+ for the AFL finals. Would you, I wonder, recognise my Aussie voice? As my father went to Oxbridge (as did I) and my mother apparently (according to an old family friend) had her voice de-Aussiefied by consorting with English upoer class girls at a French finishing school it is not surprising that my voice is non standard. It has often anused ne when English people ask “when did you come to Australia?” so I can reply “1796 and I was an Irish Catholic cinvict then!”. Repeating that as a joke to an old Oxbridge friend who is a real Henry Higgins he said “Oh, anyone can tell you are Australian. Typical upper class Australian accent”. “Oh no [Ambrose we shall call him] we don’t have an upper class!”. Anyway, my now distinguished friend, who sounded more like a Duke than the born upper class which he was not, said that the way I said Martin and Latin was a real give away. Much earlier I had learned that Poms put the accent on “accent” at the beginning and not evenly over the word.

    I suffer from Fulminating Procrastination. Must go.

  187. utu says:
    @utu

    FBI opens civil rights investigation into cops who shot a 17-year-old boy 13 times and killed him while he was backing out of his driveway when they responded to a welfare check
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8779551/FBI-opens-civil-rights-investigation-cops-shot-killing-boy-17-backing-driveway.html

    • Replies: @anon
  188. Rob says:
    @AndrewR

    The man said, “Is this the America we want?” following describing his daughter and he boyfriend being attacked by foot soldiers of, well, y’know, the establishment trying to sweep away the last resistance. That’s an incendiary statement. It implies a few things. First, that this new America is actually not better than the one they’re smashing, at leadt for some people.

    The he’s a physician, medical director, and editor of a (niche) medical journal. He has some status, and is not some whatever-pilled Unzer, he is a normie questioning the country’s new normal. He told his story, and asked his counter-revolutionary question on Twitter to regular people, not like we are at Unz, preaching to the choir. His story and question could bring both fear and solace to people who aren’t comfortable with the revolution, but think they are the only one with doubts. Second, it implies that ‘we’ could have some influence on the course that America takes. White people acting in their interests is Nazism, from the successor ideologues’s viewpoint.

    It is very interesting how fast the other side came out to sew up the torn narrative. They watch Twitter for dissent like shepherd’s watching the sheep.

    Lastly, I didn’t know squeegee critters were a thing still. Have they arisen anew since SARS-CoV-2 and the half-assed lockdown? We’re their gangs of squeegee men in their heyday?

    That their are gangs of squeegee jeebie yoofs shows that blacks are going feral without school-day prisons to corral them. If any blacks actually want to learn, then remote learning might be a boon, since other blacks aren’t going wild, and preventing even the good kids from learning. The smartest blacks, with better ‘classrooms’ and without so much peer pressure from worthless blacks to not act like whites might get ahead, well, ahead of where they’d be in a regular school year. Though I must say, I’m more concerned with how Whitex are affected. Nevertheless, some positive effect for the better blacks is welcome.

  189. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Yeah, that was a bad shooting. I can name others, even others involving H & W checks. It’s been a problem for over 20 years, probably longer. Sometimes reforms result and judges get a little more careful about issuing no-knock warrants, for example. Sometimes nothing results, except a chunk of taxpayer money given to a family to shut up.

    But notice what did not happen next? No riot. No screaming rioters burning down other people’s businesses. Why? Because he was white. Like a whole lot of other people shot by cops in bad shootings, often SWAT related, he was white.

    White lives don’t matter. Only Black Lives Matter.

    People lost their entire life’s work because of a domestic call that went bad, combined with what’s basically rent-a-mob at this point.

    • Replies: @utu
  190. utu says:
    @anon

    “But notice what did not happen next?” – The problem is that nothing happened, that the community was not outraged, that no pressure was put on police to change its rules of engagement, that police got way with a senseless killing. While I do not condone rioting but I could respect Blacks more than Whites for not accepting the status quo where the thin blue line has been drawn. While Whites probably thought that what has happened was very unfortunate but it was a necessary evil of having a police. My point is that this is not necessary. Simple changes in rules of engagement and retraining the police could reduce number of senseless killing by police significantly. But police will never do it w/o a pressure from society.

    • Replies: @anon
  191. @Reg Cæsar

    lulz … what about Romansch?

    Quite right, service is still voluntary for the gals, but I didn’t see that in his puzzle.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  192. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    (MY ORIGINAL POINT) FIRST, we need to ditch the Frankfurt School/Feminist reframing of “kidnapping” as including the taking of A MAN’S OWN CHILDREN.

    The response sets up various strawman arguments in favor of the post-modern extension of the notion of KIDNAPPING to inter-parent squabbles.

    Quick comments:

    [Going back to the real meaning of “kidnapping only serves to] excuse black criminality

    The argument is circular. Taking one’s own children is simply not “kidnapping.” The (asserted) fact that a lot of blacks commit this non-crime does not mean that it SHOULD BE A CRIME.
    Also, a lot of white fathers fall into the feminists “kidnapping” trap with a vortex of mutually-reinforcing criminal penalties, loss of livelihood, personal destruction.

    [Parental abduction of children is] also against the law.

    Nice logic – parents taking their OWN CHILDREN – “kidnapping” in woke-speak – SHOULD be a crime BECAUSE IT IS “against the law.” Why do I catch myself reading this “argument” with an Inspector Clouseau accent?

    How were the cops supposed to KNOW that he was the biological father of the children he was about to kidnap? Hmm?

    Oh no! You got me there!

    Actually, NO. Another silly argument. The cops can resolve the situation in 45 seconds by asking the mother two basic questions:

    (1) Is he your current or past boyfriend? 99% of the time the answer will be “YES.” A boyfriend will hardly try to take another man’s children from the mom.

    (2) “Is he the dad?” An enraged mom may be tempted to lie, but welfare agencies work hard to get support judgments against each absent dad. These can easily be checked online by any half-way competent cop, in less than 5 minutes.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  193. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @jsm

    Interesting points, thanks.

  194. @Jack D

    I heard a guy on the radio who was selling cell phone insurance say that business was great because something like half the population could not lay their hands on $500 cash if they had to. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  195. @The Alarmist

    lulz … what about Romansch?

    No translator available. I looked.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  196. @Anonymous

    One conservative critic of feminism wrote that polls showed that the Americans least in favor of letting Elián González stay were divorced fathers.

  197. @Reg Cæsar

    Das ist wirklich schade.

    Ç’est dommage.

    È un peccato.

    Esser donn.

    (Just kidding … I guessed at the last)

  198. sayless says:
    @Jack D

    If she was interested in in teaching cops a lesson and said so on Twitter, the family’s reaction may have been, Oh for the love of God. This could get to be expensive, if she’s on a tear and she keeps doing this.

    Anyway, I’d do my weekend in county rather than asking other people for five hundred dollars to get me out.

  199. @Jonathan Mason

    but I still suspect that better training could reduce the incidence of these kind of occurrences to an even lower level.

    Exactly. Train blacks that fighting with the police is a bad idea. Train them that arrests aren’t optional.

  200. anon[634] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Simple changes in rules of engagement and retraining the police could reduce number of senseless killing by police significantly.

    What changes would you suggest? Please be specific. Do you wish to change the existing US court system regarding search and arrest warrants? There is already a difference between “knock and announce” and “active entry”, do you want something else?

    Do you wish to change the existing force-continuum policies? Do you wish to change the mix of tools – remember that the PR-24 baton isn’t an option any more, why is that?

    Let’s be more specific: when cops tell a man “STOP! STOP! STOP!” should he just keep on walking, or should he stop? If he has a weapon and refuses to STOP should they just let him go on his way, or should they use something stronger than words to make him stop?

    Be specific, and try to bear in mind that these issues have been worked on for over 20 years, although most people are totally unaware of such things until a headline shows up.

  201. sayless says:
    @Nicholas Stix

    I didn’t have the impression that she distorted her policy decisions on account of racial identification, perhaps she did, I didn’t follow closely. Clearly, she was and is highly intelligent. But when it came to the pinch she shilled for the invasion of Iraq. I complained about that and was told, as an amelioration, that Dick Cheney “had her in his crosshairs”.

    Well I wouldn’t like that either but then, the principled thing to do would have been to leave the administration. That might have helped to sway public opinion. She could certainly have found useful employment elsewhere.

    Same with Colin Powell.

    It’s about the content of your character, not the color of your skin, and all of that.

  202. sayless says:
    @Anonymous

    Number Two Four Nine, the kids would not have benefited from further contact with their father.

    The cops couldn’t say, Oh well, he’s their Dad! Even though he’s been tazed twice, he won’t obey police commands, there’s a restraining order against him which is why they’re even there in the first place, he’s got a knife in his hand, now he wants to jump in the car and drive off with them–if the police had done nothing, what would have happened to the kids? Don’t black lives matter?

    When adults are dangerously psychotic, kids don’t benefit from being around them, doesn’t matter what the familial relationship is.

    “The kids were screaming.”

    Whose fault was that?

  203. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    FIRST, we need to ditch the Frankfurt School/Feminist reframing of “kidnapping” as including the taking of A MAN’S OWN CHILDREN.

    That requires rolling back about 40 – 45 years of laws and rules derived from those laws.

    Bear in mind that Men’s Rights guys have been laboring for over 25 years to change child custody after divorce from “automatic mother custody” to “automatic joint custody”. It’s tinkering with existing law vs. wholesale overturning, and it has had a few successes after a lot of lobbying and other work. It takes more than ranting in comments section to get this done.

    You are asserting that a wholesale restructuring of US law needs to be done: family court, divorce law, presumption of child custody, the Duluth protocol, decades of court precedents – all of it needs to be removed and/or heavily changed.

    Please lay out your plan to accomplish this. Thanks, in advance.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  204. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    All correct but excessively pessimistic comments.

    FIRST, we must REMIND OURSELVES DAILY that things could be different. Shrugging your shoulders and sighing that “nothing can be done” is the attitude of a SLAVE. Don’t succumb to the “normative force of existence.”

    Those 40-45 years of Frankfurt School subversion of our legal and social systems, specifically aimed at undermining the family and traditional religion, are NOT a natural state of affairs that materialized organically. The whole spook can be made to disappear much faster than it came.

    The current system leans heavily on a complicated tissue of lies and half-truths to maintain even a semblance of credibility. This underlies the drive to dismantle all forms of judicial and legislative control in favor of all-out Stalinism within one, all-purpose justification for all state action: “Because we can!”

    Family law in the widest sense will change as the U.S. gradually drifts back to a millet system where specific ethnic groups opt to police family matters internally, as was the case in the Ottoman Empire and under the British Raj continuing in modern India – Hindu family law for Hindus, Muslim family law for Muslims, etc.

    • Replies: @anon
  205. @Jim Don Bob

    I heard a guy on the radio who was selling cell phone insurance say that business was great because something like half the population could not lay their hands on $500 cash if they had to. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night.

    Even after less than a minute of thought, this attitude towards spending money is off-the-wall. If you can’t lay your hands on $500 cash, why are you buying a $500 phone when there are adequate ones selling for under $100?

  206. anon[697] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    All correct but excessively pessimistic comments.

    Accuracy matters. I asked for a plan and all you’ve got is handwaving. Nothing actionable, just vague handwaving.

    Family law in the widest sense will change as the U.S. gradually drifts back to a millet system where specific ethnic groups opt to police family matters internally, as was the case in the Ottoman Empire and under the British Raj continuing in modern India – Hindu family law for Hindus, Muslim family law for Muslims, etc.

    Lol, you’re not just ignorant, you’re way out of touch with reality.

  207. @OilcanFloyd

    I thought it was limited to Europe, so left Israel out.

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