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From CNN:

Homeland Security says commemorations of Tulsa race massacre could be target for White supremacists

By Geneva Sands, CNN

Updated 6:11 PM ET, Thu May 27, 2021

If you keep making predictions and all the ones you get wrong are memory-holed by CNN, eventually one of them will turn out to be right. It’s like how the media predicted public disorder from the right for years but in 2020, had 500+ riots from the left and basically none from the right. Finally, on January 6, 2021 they get their riot from the right and will never ever let anyone forget it.

In Tulsa 100 years ago, a black mob started a race riot and a white mob ended it.

That’s what “race riot” used to mean: what South Asians call “communal violence.”

There hasn’t been one of those in the U.S. since Detroit in 1943. Since then, “race riot” has meant blacks looting and/or burning.

Of course, as we will be told over and over for the rest of the month, the black part of Tulsa in 1921 was practically Wakanda. The black owned part of Tulsa would be worth a zillion dollars today if not for the “Tulsa Race Massacre” of 1921 (even though the white owned part of Tulsa isn’t exactly Palo Alto today, but who’s counting?). If it weren’t for white people, black people would all be rich from inheriting valuable property, due to the famous black ability to resist spending money.

For example, from the Washington Post:

Opinion: The horror of Tulsa still reverberates. It shows why America needs to take reparations seriously.

Opinion by Karen Attiah
Global Opinions editor

After all, the Attiah family has clearly been in America since 1619, so the Attiahs should be compensated for all the horrors they’ve involuntarily been subjected to in America over the last 402 years, such as hair-touching and professors asking them for the black opinion on this subject. No ancestor of Karen Attiah has ever sold a fellow black into slavery, so whites must pay.

Wikipedia recounts all the horrors the Attiahs have experienced in the US since 1619:

Attiah was born in Northeastern Texas in 1986 to a Nigerian-Ghanaian mother and Ghanaian father. Her father was a pulmonologist. After a bachelor’s degree at Northwestern University, Attiah won a Fulbright Scholarship to study in Accra, Ghana, and obtained an MA in International Affairs from Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs in 2012.

Back to Ms. Yankee-Doodle-Dandy Attiah’s op-ed:

May 28, 2021 at 11:48 a.m. PDT

For Black people in America, the fight for justice and safety can feel like a cruel game of musical chairs.

The dull beat of anti-Blackness is always humming in the background, commanding us round and round in familiar cycles of protest, resistance, organizing and documenting our trauma. Sometimes the odious beat seems to stop, offering what feels like a respite — for those lucky enough to survive the last cycle.

This week marked the one-year anniversary of George Floyd’s murder by White police officer Derek Chauvin in Minneapolis. Next week marks the 100-year anniversary of the Tulsa Race Massacre. And in between these two grim milestones, we have the three-day Memorial Day weekend to remember and reflect on those lost in past cycles of violence.

We need to throw something powerful into these spinning gears — and, in fact, there is an option standing before us that might be big enough. As the pressure and visibility of reparations efforts ramp up across the United States, this country has a historic opportunity to free itself from the vortex of racism and white supremacy.

In his groundbreaking 2014 Atlantic essay “The Case for Reparations,” Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote that the payment of reparations would “represent America’s maturation out of the childhood myth of its innocence into a wisdom worthy of its founders.” It seems to me that more than nine minutes of video of a Black man’s murder has now cracked that myth of White innocence.

In truth, lots of American cities had a vibrant black business center before the Affirmative Action Age. But when big companies in the 1960s started wanting to hire blacks for virtue-signaling reasons, bustling black business districts quickly vanished as the indigenous talent got snatched up by higher-paying white corporations.

Also, it didn’t help that blacks started rioting and looting and burning down their own business districts in the 1960s.

 
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  1. 1. Maybe we Whites need to act as bad as we’re told we are? Then we won’t stick Steve with having to read so much of this crap for us.
    2. I heard a Black woman on the radio make the claim that desegregation hurt Black businesses more than anything. “We wanted to shop in the white people’s stores, and neglected our own”.

  2. If only American blacks had any self-awareness, they would object to all the immigrant grifters presuming to speak for them.

    Separately: someone here (I think Syon?) pointed out an inconvenient truth about the Tulsa riots–the first night’s toll was mostly whites being killed. Then the whites turned that around.

    We had one kind of white people back then, another kind now.

    • Agree: Charon, Bernie
    • Replies: @anonymouseperson
    @Polistra

    Somewhere whites lost their confidence.

    , @Mr. Grey
    @Polistra


    someone here (I think Syon?) pointed out an inconvenient truth about the Tulsa riots
     
    Yes, they always leave out what happened earlier, that a group of armed blacks came to the courthouse because they thought the black kid arrested was about to be lynched. A white man had been lynched not that long ago. The irony is the authorities knew the kid and had pretty much cleared up the misunderstanding. Blacks started shooting. There's more to the story but you never hear any of it in corporate media. Tulsa was a boomtown at the time and there was a lot of lawlessness in the black part of town. Maybe that was the fault of the police but it seems to echo what's going on now with BLM. Some folks got fed up with the violence and crime.
    , @znon
    @Polistra

    Lots of Amerindians, Cowboys and ex Confederate Rednecks in Oklahoma, they have historically had little tolerance for abuse, as well as skill in the use of arms.

    Replies: @Anon

  3. Out of curiosity, is DC still occupied, or will the troops be mobilised to root out the Supremacist forces in other places?

  4. In order to explain the outcome of the so-called “Tulsa Massacre” I’d like to borrow a phrase I’ve heard out of the mouths of many a Black person over the years, usually after they and their friends have curb-stomped some lone White guy-

    “It ain’t our fault if y’all can’t fight”.

  5. A few clicks away from this latest whinge session for GIBS will be mugshots of the latest dead-eyed orc who murdered Whites.

    Reasoning with these throwbacks is impossible, they will ignore a years-long criminal record of one of their own to complain about EEBIL YT.

  6. People often talk about robots and AI being able to do jobs immigrants are doing, and this certainly applies to these tedious articles by the likes of Oranicha Jumreornvong and Karen Attiah. White privilege-George Floyd-reparations-oppression-legacy of slavery-blah blah. You could teach a parrot to crank out these pieces.

    • Agree: bomag, Richard B, ic1000, JimDandy
    • Replies: @Richard B
    @Rob McX

    All anti-Whiteness is a footnote to the fact that Whites as a group have a self-preservation chip missing.

    , @Forbes
    @Rob McX

    Forget AI--the infinite monkey theorem works just as well. Simply interrupt the typewriter-toting chimpanzees tapping out the complete works of Shakespeare to produce the desired op-ed...

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Rob McX

    Dude, a standard Mad Lib could cover these articles.

  7. It is truly an incredible coincidence that the Tulsa Race a Riots didn’t become a thing until a couple of years ago after all witnesses had died.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Batman


    It is truly an incredible coincidence that the Tulsa Race a Riots didn’t become a thing until a couple of years ago after all witnesses had died.
     
    Excellent point. Just like the deathbed confession of the womzn Emmet Till harassed saying he really dindu nuffin which the white shitlib somehow forgot to record.

    It's strange how most of the coincidences go a certain way...

    2) Is there a more worthless Federal agency than DHS?

    3) I'd bet dollars to donuts that if you asked 100 blacks about the "Tulsa Massacre", not one of them would know what you are talking about.

    Replies: @Batman, @dindunuffins

  8. Homeland Security says commemorations of Tulsa race massacre could be target for White supremacists

    White supremacists have a track record for that kind of thing. Remember how they ran amok after the verdicts on Derek Chauvin, OJ Simpson, James Alex Fields, and others?

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Thanks: Charon, anonymouseperson
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Rob McX

    The extent of "white supremacist violence" during the Floyd riots was some spicy Twitter posts. There is a 99.999% chance that no "white supremacists" will attack Tulsa riot commemorations. There is a 100% chance that the elite Jews want said violence to occur.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon, @anonymouseperson

  9. Pretty sad that they have to get a bitch straight out of the African jungle to write these black supremacist hate screeds. Why not give this job to an ADOS?

  10. Nazis who don’t exist targeting the commemoration of something that never happened. Makes sense.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  11. There have been hundreds of actual riots over the past year and “white supremacists” did nothing, so what are the chances they’ll cause any trouble at the mere marking of the anniversary of a riot a century ago?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Rob McX

    Last year mouth breathing leftists told me that 2020's rioting was done by white supremacists false flagging innocent leftists/PoC. At they same time they informed me that if Trump hade shown up in [insert location] then leftists/PoC would be out on the streets rioting.

    I need hardly point out the inconsistencies inherent in such a narrative.

  12. It seems to me that more than nine minutes of video of a Black man’s murder has now cracked that myth of White innocence.

    So…if only we had video of the tens of thousands of times black people have murdered, maimed, and raped white people over the last several decades, exactly how much might that be worth?

    I’d really like to know the answer, because–Ms. Attiah–you and yours enjoy the highest and loudest platforms in the land for your endless race-hate propaganda, while our lived experience is something we’re forbidden ever to mention.

    • Agree: ziggurat
  13. In truth, lots of American cities had a vibrant black business center before the Affirmative Action Age. But when big companies in the 1960s started wanting to hire blacks for virtue-signaling reasons, bustling black business districts quickly vanished as the indigenous talent got snatched up by higher-paying white corporations.

    I’m going to suggest that people who want to run a local diner and people who are agreeable to a middle-management position at Five Guys are not the same people, at least at any one time.

    The business districts in question would have had boarding establishments, retail trade, small scale finance, small professional practices, and neighborhood philanthropies. That might be sustainable today if those sections of town were not so crime-ridden. Those sections of town could be habitable if they were adequately policed. Adequate policing requires that deplorables employed as police officers have free rein to intimidate and arrest black criminals, which is unacceptable to gentry liberals and black chauvinists alike.

    No matter what corporate policies are, neighborhood commerce is neighborhood commerce and it’s dependent on the purchasing power of your clientele. About 10% of the population of the United States lives in slum neighborhoods and sketchy neighborhoods adjacent and these areas don’t command more than about 5% of the purchasing power in the United States. Other sorts of enterprise don’t have much reason to locate in those sections of town, the exceptions being businesses that don’t have to put up much of a front and for whom low land prices and (perhaps) some regulatory forebearance are most helpful to the prosperity of the business in question.

    Note also that wherever they live, blacks in the labor force have a different distribution of preferences in re how they earn their living. In the other coarse racial categories, about 12% of the households have self-employment income (memo to Kevin Williamson, the proportion is the same for whites, hispanics and Asians). Among blacks, about 6% have self-employment income.

    The pool of people who actually want to run small businesses is smaller, potential demand is smaller due to comparative household purchasing power, and the costs are higher due to crime &c. This would be so no matter what corporate businesses were doing or why.

    • Replies: @gent
    @Art Deco


    Among blacks, about 6% have self-employment income.
     
    Legal, reported self-employed income.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Art Deco

    I'm glad I checked the comments first, as I was about to comment on that 2nd-to-last paragraph too, Art. I don't think it takes the particularly bright of the black people to run small businesses. It takes hard-working people.

    Lots of other nasty Socialist policies were implemented besides AA, all around the same time - mid/late 1960s (well, and going on from there). What could have discouraged hard-working black people to not work hard at keeping small businesses anymore? Welfare. The damage was 2-fold, as 1) who needs to work that hard, when you can mooch off "the man"? and 2) Welfare greatly increased the destruction of the black nuclear family due to incentives to have children out of wedlock. How do you run family business when you don't have a family?

    .

    That's a minor point regarding another good post, Steve. Thanks.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Dube

  14. ” . . . And in between these two grim milestones, we have the three-day Memorial Day weekend to remember and reflect on those lost in past cycles of violence. . . . “

    Reflect.” Just don’t reflect too much by holding up too wide a mirror. Not all reflections are allowed!

    Tulsa race massacre, 1921

    “The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead.[21] A 2001 state commission examination of events was able to confirm 39 dead, 26 Black and 13 White, based on contemporary autopsy reports, death certificates and other records.”

    Sounds like a long weekend of black-on-black violence in Chicago: 26 black dead.

    Kantō Massacre (Massacre of Koreans in Japan), 1923

    “Not to be confused with Gando Massacre. (*)”

    “The massacre occurred over a period of three weeks starting on September 1, 1923, the day on which a massive earthquake struck the Kantō region. During this period, soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army, police and vigilantes murdered an estimated 6,000 ethnic Koreans and Japanese socialists.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kant%C5%8D_Massacre

    Not to be confused . . . “? It’s damn confusing. So many renowned journalists and academic scholars tell me that anti-Asian violence is a white thing, so it must be true.

    (*) Gando massacre (Massacre of Koreans in Occupied Korea), 1920

    “The massacre occurred over a period of three weeks starting in October 1920, the day of the Hunchun Incident after the Battle of Qingshanli. During this period, soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army murdered Korean civilians who numbered an estimated at least 5,000, and perpetrated widespread rape.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gando_massacre

    Partition of India

    “Because independence was declared prior to the actual partition, it was up to the new governments of India and Pakistan to keep public order. No large population movements were contemplated; the plan called for safeguards for minorities on both sides of the new border. It was a task at which both states failed. There was a complete breakdown of law and order; many died in riots, massacre, or just from the hardships of their flight to safety. What ensued was one of the largest population movements in recorded history. According to Richard Symonds, at the lowest estimate, half a million people perished and twelve million became homeless.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India

    ( . . . An endless, and endlessly diverse, list could follow . . . )

  15. Karen (Karen!)

    OT – was a bar last night. (what’s truly sad is that more customers now wear masks inside than do the wait staff) Several TV’s were showing a Negroball game at the bottom of the screen among one of the many graphics was the phrase “Black History Always.” I laughed but apparently this is a thing from ESPN:

    https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2021/01/espn-launches-black-history-always-initiative-expanding-on-black-history-month/

    • Thanks: vhrm
  16. @Art Deco
    In truth, lots of American cities had a vibrant black business center before the Affirmative Action Age. But when big companies in the 1960s started wanting to hire blacks for virtue-signaling reasons, bustling black business districts quickly vanished as the indigenous talent got snatched up by higher-paying white corporations.

    I'm going to suggest that people who want to run a local diner and people who are agreeable to a middle-management position at Five Guys are not the same people, at least at any one time.

    The business districts in question would have had boarding establishments, retail trade, small scale finance, small professional practices, and neighborhood philanthropies. That might be sustainable today if those sections of town were not so crime-ridden. Those sections of town could be habitable if they were adequately policed. Adequate policing requires that deplorables employed as police officers have free rein to intimidate and arrest black criminals, which is unacceptable to gentry liberals and black chauvinists alike.

    No matter what corporate policies are, neighborhood commerce is neighborhood commerce and it's dependent on the purchasing power of your clientele. About 10% of the population of the United States lives in slum neighborhoods and sketchy neighborhoods adjacent and these areas don't command more than about 5% of the purchasing power in the United States. Other sorts of enterprise don't have much reason to locate in those sections of town, the exceptions being businesses that don't have to put up much of a front and for whom low land prices and (perhaps) some regulatory forebearance are most helpful to the prosperity of the business in question.

    Note also that wherever they live, blacks in the labor force have a different distribution of preferences in re how they earn their living. In the other coarse racial categories, about 12% of the households have self-employment income (memo to Kevin Williamson, the proportion is the same for whites, hispanics and Asians). Among blacks, about 6% have self-employment income.

    The pool of people who actually want to run small businesses is smaller, potential demand is smaller due to comparative household purchasing power, and the costs are higher due to crime &c. This would be so no matter what corporate businesses were doing or why.

    Replies: @gent, @Achmed E. Newman

    Among blacks, about 6% have self-employment income.

    Legal, reported self-employed income.

  17. There hasn’t been one of those in the U.S. since Detroit in 1943.

    That was when the big White mob ended the little white ones because vulnerability to commie propaganda or some shit.

  18. It shows why America needs to take reparations seriously.

    It really is becoming more and more blatant isn’t it?

    “Nice Country you’ve got here; be a shame if anything happened to it.”

    Separation now, separation forever.

  19. This certainly rings true in the case of my home town, Chattanooga, Tennessee. When I was in grammar school (1940’s) the streetcare that would take me and my friends from the downtown YMCA to our homes went down 9th St, which we kids innocently referred to as N town, and which at the time was far and away the most vibrant part of town. Not only were there numerous small black businesses lining both sides of the street and numerous apartments and small houses located directly behind them, but there were countless pedestrians crowded along both sides of the street as well as lazily sauntering in the street itself,all in a seemingly perpetual holiday mood. To us kids it was our one and only chance to see a genuine African American community in full bloom. We loved it without prejudice or judgment of any kind beyond the fact that it looked like a really fun place to live.

    But then in the 1960’s urban renewal (urban removal?) came in and literally bulldozed all the stores and residential buildings leaving behind a cold, antiseptic space devoid of people. And of course 9th Street was renamed Martin Luther King Boulevard.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Thanks: Escher, vhrm, Charlotte
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Luke Lea

    Thanks for that testimony. I daresay it's happened in many places.

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Luke Lea

    That is an interesting account of an America that you don't see anymore.

    The whole idea that you can have shops and stores within walking distance of where people live has been thrown out in the United States in favor of a motorized society.

    One noticeable difference between the street scenes of North America (US) and those of Latin America and South America are that the latter have micro businesses everywhere.

    For example here in Ecuador my local bus station contains more than half a dozen small one person cafes and restaurants, internet cafes, places to pay bills and recharge cell phones, a stationery and printing store , cell phone stores, a mini market, and a pharmacy. Only the pharmacy has more than one employee or owner/operator.

    And that is just indoors. Outside there are various snack sellers, fruit sellers, and vendors.

    The equivalent bus terminal in the US would often just have automatic vending machines.

    Just down the road two blocks away is a major supermarket, but opposite the supermarket is a ceviche stand under a tree where you can get a takeaway or sit at a wobbly plastic table and eat your raw seafood concoction.

    In the massive bus terminal in Guayaquil, which doubles up as a shopping mall, there are over 100 departure Gates, and for every two gates there is a hut selling drinks and snacks run by one person.

    While buses wait to depart handicapped people jump on the buses trying to make a living by selling trifles ranging from instant recharges for cell phones to quack medicines to passengers. En route vendors jump on buses with hot snacks and pies, and then depart a few minutes later to catch a bus going in the opposite direction.

    In my local market town there must be at least 20 stores selling shoes, and each one is owner operated. In the fish market there are 100 numbered booths with individuals selling fish and seafood.

    Bottom line is that Nations and economies have to decide what is more important, efficiency or jobs.

    This is perhaps one of the biggest political differences that people have worldwide. What is more important, efficiency or employment?

    In a high wage economy like the United States, the small individual subsistence building becomes much less viable, because the low-earning person still has to pay high electricity and water bills and rents just like the corporate employees.

    Yesterday I had some medical tests done, a panel of blood work, that included eight tests with a hemogram, clotting studies, fasting sugar, cholesterol, and triglycerides. The cost was $35.50--cash not insurance-- and I had the printed results in my hand in 3 hours. The same thing in the United States would have cost at least a couple of $100 for cash, and they probably wouldn't even accept cash.

    I wonder if poor countries suddenly just started charging US prices for lab work, would that make everybody rich? The healthcare workers would have more money, so they would spend more money on other products and services, and it would all just go around?

    I would pay $5 instead of $1 for a bag of limes, and the fruit vendors would get rich.

    I guess there is an obvious flaw in this reasoning.

    Anyway the outcome of corporate hegemony is that it makes small self-employment very hard.

    But if corporate hegemony is what we want, because of the benefits we think it brings our country, like houses that all look the same, shouldn't we also guarantee everybody a living wage?

    When you look at it the main reason that the United States enjoy such affluence is the reserve currency status of the dollar. The US can print billions of more dollars, and the exchange rate of the dollar hardly sinks at all against other currencies.

    On the other hand if other nations just decide to make everybody rich by printing more money, then their money soon becomes worthless in terms of international commerce.

    Because of this some years ago Ecuador switched to using the US dollar as its national currency. But there are control mechanisms in place to stop Ecuador from simply printing dollars and getting rich. And the ubiquitous $1 coin bears the image of James Madison and is presumably coined in the US.

    Countries that have their own currency can certainly print more of it so as to give pay raises to government workers, police, and teachers, but the result is that imported goods and products become more expensive. Hence the Dominican Republic has plenty of policemen, but their police have very few cars, which are not made on the island.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Anonymous, @Art Deco

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Luke Lea

    "a cold, antiseptic space devoid of people"

    Sounds heavenly.

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon

  20. After a bachelor’s degree at Northwestern University, Attiah won a Fulbright Scholarship to study in Accra, Ghana

    However, she couldn’t take the hint.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  21. Even macro economists have a better record.

  22. Yeah but what about those mass graves?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#Search_for_mass_graves

    Also:

    Anxiety on Greenwood Avenue was rising. Many Black residents worried about the safety of Rowland. Small groups of armed Black men ventured toward the courthouse in automobiles, partly for reconnaissance and to demonstrate they were prepared to take necessary action to protect Rowland. Many White men interpreted these actions as a “Negro uprising” and became concerned. Eyewitnesses reported gunshots, presumably fired into the air, increasing in frequency during the evening.

    Things never really change.

  23. This week marked the one-year anniversary of George Floyd’s murder by White police officer Derek Chauvin in Minneapolis. Next week marks the 100-year anniversary of the Tulsa Race Massacre.

    You’d hope that at some point in all those years of schooling someone would tell her that “year” is included in “anniversary”.

    • Replies: @Sick 'n Tired
    @ben tillman

    Like when I see an event billed as the "First Annual XXX", which is it?

  24. @Art Deco
    In truth, lots of American cities had a vibrant black business center before the Affirmative Action Age. But when big companies in the 1960s started wanting to hire blacks for virtue-signaling reasons, bustling black business districts quickly vanished as the indigenous talent got snatched up by higher-paying white corporations.

    I'm going to suggest that people who want to run a local diner and people who are agreeable to a middle-management position at Five Guys are not the same people, at least at any one time.

    The business districts in question would have had boarding establishments, retail trade, small scale finance, small professional practices, and neighborhood philanthropies. That might be sustainable today if those sections of town were not so crime-ridden. Those sections of town could be habitable if they were adequately policed. Adequate policing requires that deplorables employed as police officers have free rein to intimidate and arrest black criminals, which is unacceptable to gentry liberals and black chauvinists alike.

    No matter what corporate policies are, neighborhood commerce is neighborhood commerce and it's dependent on the purchasing power of your clientele. About 10% of the population of the United States lives in slum neighborhoods and sketchy neighborhoods adjacent and these areas don't command more than about 5% of the purchasing power in the United States. Other sorts of enterprise don't have much reason to locate in those sections of town, the exceptions being businesses that don't have to put up much of a front and for whom low land prices and (perhaps) some regulatory forebearance are most helpful to the prosperity of the business in question.

    Note also that wherever they live, blacks in the labor force have a different distribution of preferences in re how they earn their living. In the other coarse racial categories, about 12% of the households have self-employment income (memo to Kevin Williamson, the proportion is the same for whites, hispanics and Asians). Among blacks, about 6% have self-employment income.

    The pool of people who actually want to run small businesses is smaller, potential demand is smaller due to comparative household purchasing power, and the costs are higher due to crime &c. This would be so no matter what corporate businesses were doing or why.

    Replies: @gent, @Achmed E. Newman

    I’m glad I checked the comments first, as I was about to comment on that 2nd-to-last paragraph too, Art. I don’t think it takes the particularly bright of the black people to run small businesses. It takes hard-working people.

    Lots of other nasty Socialist policies were implemented besides AA, all around the same time – mid/late 1960s (well, and going on from there). What could have discouraged hard-working black people to not work hard at keeping small businesses anymore? Welfare. The damage was 2-fold, as 1) who needs to work that hard, when you can mooch off “the man”? and 2) Welfare greatly increased the destruction of the black nuclear family due to incentives to have children out of wedlock. How do you run family business when you don’t have a family?

    .

    That’s a minor point regarding another good post, Steve. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The only post-1960 lumpenproletarian types I can see as kindred to people running their own businesses in 1948 would be drug dealers.


    Alternative hypothesis:

    Women collecting AFDC in 1978 were women who would have had ordinary wage employment in 1948 or been married to men with ordinary wage employment. With the replacement of AFDC by TANF with its time limits and other mandates, most of those women went back to ordinary wage employment. With the large run-up of the prison and jail census, the men found street crime less profitable and also defected to ordinary wage employment. The AFDC caseload and the career criminal population in this model were drawn from the ranks of people who would in some other scenario be janitors, stockers, dishwashers, parking lot attendants, &c, not the owner of Clarissa Street Insurance.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Up North

    , @Dube
    @Achmed E. Newman


    How do you run a family business when you don’t have a family?
     
    Agreed, thanks.
  25. @Luke Lea
    This certainly rings true in the case of my home town, Chattanooga, Tennessee. When I was in grammar school (1940's) the streetcare that would take me and my friends from the downtown YMCA to our homes went down 9th St, which we kids innocently referred to as N town, and which at the time was far and away the most vibrant part of town. Not only were there numerous small black businesses lining both sides of the street and numerous apartments and small houses located directly behind them, but there were countless pedestrians crowded along both sides of the street as well as lazily sauntering in the street itself,all in a seemingly perpetual holiday mood. To us kids it was our one and only chance to see a genuine African American community in full bloom. We loved it without prejudice or judgment of any kind beyond the fact that it looked like a really fun place to live.

    But then in the 1960's urban renewal (urban removal?) came in and literally bulldozed all the stores and residential buildings leaving behind a cold, antiseptic space devoid of people. And of course 9th Street was renamed Martin Luther King Boulevard.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb

    Thanks for that testimony. I daresay it’s happened in many places.

  26. In my town the end of Jim Crow allowed blacks to shop at the nice, clean stores and the more costly black businesses went bust in a short time

    And the best restaurant in town, Reba’s, got shut down by the health department because it’s wooden kitchen floor did not meet the code requirement of a cement floor with a drain in the middle.

    The health honcho was the father of a friend and a classic N hater.

    So a mix of factors but no more black owned businesses after a bit

  27. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Art Deco

    I'm glad I checked the comments first, as I was about to comment on that 2nd-to-last paragraph too, Art. I don't think it takes the particularly bright of the black people to run small businesses. It takes hard-working people.

    Lots of other nasty Socialist policies were implemented besides AA, all around the same time - mid/late 1960s (well, and going on from there). What could have discouraged hard-working black people to not work hard at keeping small businesses anymore? Welfare. The damage was 2-fold, as 1) who needs to work that hard, when you can mooch off "the man"? and 2) Welfare greatly increased the destruction of the black nuclear family due to incentives to have children out of wedlock. How do you run family business when you don't have a family?

    .

    That's a minor point regarding another good post, Steve. Thanks.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Dube

    The only post-1960 lumpenproletarian types I can see as kindred to people running their own businesses in 1948 would be drug dealers.

    Alternative hypothesis:

    Women collecting AFDC in 1978 were women who would have had ordinary wage employment in 1948 or been married to men with ordinary wage employment. With the replacement of AFDC by TANF with its time limits and other mandates, most of those women went back to ordinary wage employment. With the large run-up of the prison and jail census, the men found street crime less profitable and also defected to ordinary wage employment. The AFDC caseload and the career criminal population in this model were drawn from the ranks of people who would in some other scenario be janitors, stockers, dishwashers, parking lot attendants, &c, not the owner of Clarissa Street Insurance.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    The Brain Drain (not only from Black Communities BTW but most severely felt there due to dearer supply) not only attenuated the supporting structures (churches, the arts, bookkeeping, ad infinitum...) those communities needed to thrive it also changed the vocations the people attached to those brains pursued, lessening the overall societal supply of beneficial g-loaded professions as well.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @John Up North
    @Art Deco

    The only viable businesses in black neighborhoods are usually liquor stores which are almost always owned and run by immigrants.

    Replies: @John Up North

  28. the payment of reparations would “represent America’s maturation out of the childhood myth of its innocence into a wisdom worthy of its founders.

    Which payment? The first? The twelfth?

    They’ll spend the first quickly, then cry for more. We seem to solve the race problem (sic) once or twice every generation.

    They assert that they are absolutely dependent on whites.

    “We aren’t succeeding because you aren’t giving us enough.”

    Black’ demands are classic communism. And will fail for the same reason. If you kill all the whites and take their stuff, you destroy the wealth generators. Once you spent it, its gone. There will be no more. They will all be dead within a month. From starvation. No electricity. No water.

    It is decadence. Communists, kept alive by capitalists, demand the end of capitalism.

    Another thing, after seeing the way the Feds passed out Covid Cash, reparations checks will blanket the globe.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Gamecock


    We seem to solve the race problem (sic) once or twice every generation.
     
    Think of whites as Sisyphus and blacks as the rock they have to keep pushing up that hill.



    https://howdouteach.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/sisyphus-push-e1510280689620.jpg
  29. …this country has a historic opportunity to free itself from the vortex of racism and white supremacy

    Does anyone believe this?

    Would it be like South Africa after apartheid?

    Did Charlie Brown ever kick the football?

    Things occur regardless of ameliorative efforts when there are more fundamental forces in play. Our racial grievance industry is careful not to learn this.

  30. @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The only post-1960 lumpenproletarian types I can see as kindred to people running their own businesses in 1948 would be drug dealers.


    Alternative hypothesis:

    Women collecting AFDC in 1978 were women who would have had ordinary wage employment in 1948 or been married to men with ordinary wage employment. With the replacement of AFDC by TANF with its time limits and other mandates, most of those women went back to ordinary wage employment. With the large run-up of the prison and jail census, the men found street crime less profitable and also defected to ordinary wage employment. The AFDC caseload and the career criminal population in this model were drawn from the ranks of people who would in some other scenario be janitors, stockers, dishwashers, parking lot attendants, &c, not the owner of Clarissa Street Insurance.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Up North

    The Brain Drain (not only from Black Communities BTW but most severely felt there due to dearer supply) not only attenuated the supporting structures (churches, the arts, bookkeeping, ad infinitum…) those communities needed to thrive it also changed the vocations the people attached to those brains pursued, lessening the overall societal supply of beneficial g-loaded professions as well.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Desiderius

    lessening the overall societal supply of beneficial g-loaded professions as well.

    I don't think there were proportionately more professional-managerial employees in the black population in 1925. I would wager there were proportionately more self-employed people in 1925 (and on both sides of the color bar), but I wouldn't place that bet in re the non-agricultural sectors of the economy.


    attenuated the supporting structures (churches, the arts, bookkeeping, ad infinitum…) those communities needed to thrive

    A prosperous urban neighborhood has in it (1) residences which are not a health and safety hazard and (2) enterprises within walking distance which can trade with households, and (3) elements of the common life apart from commerce (e.g. churches, schools, parks). I don't think you need many haut bourgeois types for that. You benefit from having schoolteachers &c, small merchants, clergyman, primary care doctors &c, and cops. You need security.

    You cannot have those things because people who have other options don't want to be mugged by hoodlums when they go to the drugstore and they don't want their drugstore cleaned out by those same hoodlums. If they have kids, they don't want the hoodlums beating up their kids or the pace of instruction at the local school determined by a youngster performing at the 10th percentile.

    A generation ago in my hometown there was a local minister named Raymond Graves. He was resentful loudmouth on the rolodex of the local Gannett paper. About three years after he replaced the previous pair of resentful loudmouths on the rolodex, I discovered the man actually lived in the southern extremity of a suburban township south of the city. He lived about 10 miles from the center of the southside slums and 15 from the center of the northside slums. My mother was then living 4.5 miles and 3 miles from those same points on the map. The split levels where he was living are currently priced at about $200k.

  31. @Rob McX
    People often talk about robots and AI being able to do jobs immigrants are doing, and this certainly applies to these tedious articles by the likes of Oranicha Jumreornvong and Karen Attiah. White privilege-George Floyd-reparations-oppression-legacy of slavery-blah blah. You could teach a parrot to crank out these pieces.

    Replies: @Richard B, @Forbes, @The Wild Geese Howard

    All anti-Whiteness is a footnote to the fact that Whites as a group have a self-preservation chip missing.

  32. Black Wall Street (such as it was) was rebuilt after the 1921 riots. What ended it was, what you said, the ’60s, and affirmative action.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @countenance

    Calling it "Black Wall Street" is hilarious. Greenwood was nothing like the real Wall Street. There was no stock exchange, no investment banks. It was not involved in the functions of raising and deploying capital in large scale enterprises which is what makes capitalism capitalism. It was a modest local commercial strip with drug stores, bakeries, clothing stores and other businesses catering to a local clientele like thousands of other small town commercial strips all across America in the pre-mall era. That blacks think that having even such a modest strip is an achievement akin to having your own Wall Street shows how little they actually understand of capitalism and how utterly incapable they would be of producing wealth if they were put in charge. It's unbelievable that they say this with a straight face and completely without any sense of how far off the mark they are.

    Similarly, here is the "Black Vladimir Ashkenazy" playing a "Black Steinway Grand":

    https://www.melissaanddoug.com/dw/image/v2/BBDH_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-master-catalog/default/dw530838c2/large/001315_2.jpg?sw=562&sh=570&sm=fit

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Rob McX

    , @dindunuffins
    @countenance

    Black nationalists and their countless enablers like to tell the story of the “Black Wall Street” in the Greenwood section of Tulsa, OK and how feral mobs of racist whites burned it to the ground. But if you search historical accounts of what set off this huge race riot, every page I found online says it started when “shots were fired,” but they ALL neglect to mention it was a black male who started firing and that 10 whites were killed in the gunfire.

    And why was it called the “Black Wall Street?” Did it boast an international financial exchange? No, it merely hosted about 100 or so modest black-owned businesses that were all destroyed in about 14 hours of rioting.


    There has been nonstop rioting in America for three months, and yet the original Wall Street in New York still stands. Is it possible that comparing Tulsa’s modest black business district to New York’s Wall Street was a bit of compensatory hyperbole?

  33. I’ve been to Tulsa and I’ve been to Palo Alto. I would take Tulsa or many place not in California, over Palo Alto any day of the week.

  34. @Luke Lea
    This certainly rings true in the case of my home town, Chattanooga, Tennessee. When I was in grammar school (1940's) the streetcare that would take me and my friends from the downtown YMCA to our homes went down 9th St, which we kids innocently referred to as N town, and which at the time was far and away the most vibrant part of town. Not only were there numerous small black businesses lining both sides of the street and numerous apartments and small houses located directly behind them, but there were countless pedestrians crowded along both sides of the street as well as lazily sauntering in the street itself,all in a seemingly perpetual holiday mood. To us kids it was our one and only chance to see a genuine African American community in full bloom. We loved it without prejudice or judgment of any kind beyond the fact that it looked like a really fun place to live.

    But then in the 1960's urban renewal (urban removal?) came in and literally bulldozed all the stores and residential buildings leaving behind a cold, antiseptic space devoid of people. And of course 9th Street was renamed Martin Luther King Boulevard.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb

    That is an interesting account of an America that you don’t see anymore.

    The whole idea that you can have shops and stores within walking distance of where people live has been thrown out in the United States in favor of a motorized society.

    One noticeable difference between the street scenes of North America (US) and those of Latin America and South America are that the latter have micro businesses everywhere.

    For example here in Ecuador my local bus station contains more than half a dozen small one person cafes and restaurants, internet cafes, places to pay bills and recharge cell phones, a stationery and printing store , cell phone stores, a mini market, and a pharmacy. Only the pharmacy has more than one employee or owner/operator.

    And that is just indoors. Outside there are various snack sellers, fruit sellers, and vendors.

    The equivalent bus terminal in the US would often just have automatic vending machines.

    Just down the road two blocks away is a major supermarket, but opposite the supermarket is a ceviche stand under a tree where you can get a takeaway or sit at a wobbly plastic table and eat your raw seafood concoction.

    In the massive bus terminal in Guayaquil, which doubles up as a shopping mall, there are over 100 departure Gates, and for every two gates there is a hut selling drinks and snacks run by one person.

    While buses wait to depart handicapped people jump on the buses trying to make a living by selling trifles ranging from instant recharges for cell phones to quack medicines to passengers. En route vendors jump on buses with hot snacks and pies, and then depart a few minutes later to catch a bus going in the opposite direction.

    In my local market town there must be at least 20 stores selling shoes, and each one is owner operated. In the fish market there are 100 numbered booths with individuals selling fish and seafood.

    Bottom line is that Nations and economies have to decide what is more important, efficiency or jobs.

    This is perhaps one of the biggest political differences that people have worldwide. What is more important, efficiency or employment?

    In a high wage economy like the United States, the small individual subsistence building becomes much less viable, because the low-earning person still has to pay high electricity and water bills and rents just like the corporate employees.

    Yesterday I had some medical tests done, a panel of blood work, that included eight tests with a hemogram, clotting studies, fasting sugar, cholesterol, and triglycerides. The cost was $35.50–cash not insurance– and I had the printed results in my hand in 3 hours. The same thing in the United States would have cost at least a couple of $100 for cash, and they probably wouldn’t even accept cash.

    I wonder if poor countries suddenly just started charging US prices for lab work, would that make everybody rich? The healthcare workers would have more money, so they would spend more money on other products and services, and it would all just go around?

    I would pay $5 instead of $1 for a bag of limes, and the fruit vendors would get rich.

    I guess there is an obvious flaw in this reasoning.

    Anyway the outcome of corporate hegemony is that it makes small self-employment very hard.

    But if corporate hegemony is what we want, because of the benefits we think it brings our country, like houses that all look the same, shouldn’t we also guarantee everybody a living wage?

    When you look at it the main reason that the United States enjoy such affluence is the reserve currency status of the dollar. The US can print billions of more dollars, and the exchange rate of the dollar hardly sinks at all against other currencies.

    On the other hand if other nations just decide to make everybody rich by printing more money, then their money soon becomes worthless in terms of international commerce.

    Because of this some years ago Ecuador switched to using the US dollar as its national currency. But there are control mechanisms in place to stop Ecuador from simply printing dollars and getting rich. And the ubiquitous $1 coin bears the image of James Madison and is presumably coined in the US.

    Countries that have their own currency can certainly print more of it so as to give pay raises to government workers, police, and teachers, but the result is that imported goods and products become more expensive. Hence the Dominican Republic has plenty of policemen, but their police have very few cars, which are not made on the island.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Jonathan Mason

    > Yesterday [in Ecuador] I had some medical tests done, a panel of blood work, that included eight tests with a hemogram, clotting studies, fasting sugar, cholesterol, and triglycerides. The cost was $35.50–cash not insurance– and I had the printed results in my hand in 3 hours. The same thing in the United States would have cost at least a couple of $100 for cash, and they probably wouldn’t even accept cash.

    They do. I had some tests run and got a $312 bill due to an insurance mishap. Repeated red "going to collection agency we mean it" letters while I straightened it out. Final contract price was $60, $48 from insurance plus my copay. Crazy system.

    BTW, comments of this quality will bring up your average, a lot.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    Your story reminds me of the brief dialogue in “Fences” between Viola Davis and Denzel Washington in which she passive-aggressively chides him for buying something at the local grocer available with a price 10 cents lower at the A&P. He replies something to the effect of, “When I buy from Bella’s I know what I’m getting for my money.”

    , @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    The whole idea that you can have shops and stores within walking distance of where people live has been thrown out in the United States in favor of a motorized society.

    There's a lot of truth to that, but it isn't true without qualification. About 30% of the population lives in the countryside. People living in those places have always done business by mail-order or via wheeled transportation. Another 30% or so of the population lives in small towns, core cities, or older suburbs which and these still have walkable neighborhoods.


    One thing that has disappeared is itinerant tradesmen dealing in anything but home maintenance and the like. They disappeared pretty much for people living everywhere.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  35. eded says:

    “The dull beat of anti-Blackness is always humming in the background, commanding us round and round in familiar cycles of protest, resistance, organizing and documenting our trauma.”

    The use of the term “anti-Blackness” is an interesting rhetorical trick. In the past it was all about “The Legacy of Slavery”: now writers and activists increasingly use the term “anti-Blackness”. Moving the rhetorical goal posts like this allows Blacks, such as Ms. Attiah, who are not descendants of American slaves to claim victim status.

    I’ve noticed the term “anti-Blackness” recently widely used amongst Canadian activists in part I believe because the vast majority of Black-Canadians are not the descendants of Canadian slaves. In fact the vast majority are voluntary immigrants or their children. Therefore appeals to “Legacy of Slavery” would have little traction.

    • Replies: @Charlotte
    @eded

    I predict we’ll soon begin to see Blackness envisioned as a quasi spiritual thing, not requiring actual African ancestry, or even dark skin. Surely aspiring race grifters from other lands (like India) must be getting a bit tired of the attention and dollars received by America’s number one minority.

    , @anonymouseperson
    @eded

    Only about 2% of the current black population in Canada today can trace their roots here back even to the early 1960's. Both of my parents (born in 1928 & 1932) were close to thirty before they ever even saw a black in Canada. That is how non-existent blacks were in this country although our politically correct propaganda would make you think Canada had always been a mostly black country.

  36. Why do you publish Mason’s autistic rants?

    • Troll: Calvin Hobbes
  37. Opinion: The horror of Tulsa still reverberates. It shows why America needs to take reparations seriously.

    I have taken reparations seriously. The answer is no. Seriously, no.

  38. @Rob McX
    People often talk about robots and AI being able to do jobs immigrants are doing, and this certainly applies to these tedious articles by the likes of Oranicha Jumreornvong and Karen Attiah. White privilege-George Floyd-reparations-oppression-legacy of slavery-blah blah. You could teach a parrot to crank out these pieces.

    Replies: @Richard B, @Forbes, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Forget AI–the infinite monkey theorem works just as well. Simply interrupt the typewriter-toting chimpanzees tapping out the complete works of Shakespeare to produce the desired op-ed…

    • LOL: Rob McX
  39. In truth, lots of American cities had a vibrant black business center before the Affirmative Action Age. But when big companies in the 1960s started wanting to hire blacks for virtue-signaling reasons, bustling black business districts quickly vanished.

    Basically what happened to every other Main Street in America. Those “bustling black business districts” mostly were comprised of one or two or five employee operations that got destroyed by business consolidation and the rest. Lots of half-assed small burger and shake joints driven out of business by franchise chains with assembly line models that did the work better, more reliably, and at lower cost. The local banks and grocery stores that once had local owners were bought out (if they were lucky) or simply driven under by the big corporate chains, and American small towns were decapitated, with much of their elite fleeing to the big cities.

    And in black parts of town it was even worse. The black men and women who were capable of running successful businesses packed up and left when things got violent and they were able to move to white parts of town. “Bustling black business districts” were the result of segregation, not the victims of it. If blacks want to recreate it all they need to do is stop eating at places like McDonald’s and stop shopping at stores like WalMart. I implore all of those black athletes with their eight figure Nike endorsement contracts to abandon Nike and sign on with some black-owned athletic shoe company. C’mon guys – take one for the team.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Wilkey

    Basically what happened to every other Main Street in America. Those “bustling black business districts” mostly were comprised of one or two or five employee operations that got destroyed by business consolidation and the rest. Lots of half-assed small burger and shake joints driven out of business by franchise chains with assembly line models that did the work better, more reliably, and at lower cost. The local banks and grocery stores that once had local owners were bought out (if they were lucky) or simply driven under by the big corporate chains, and American small towns were decapitated, with much of their elite fleeing to the big cities.

    I think there's a lot of truth to that, but I can go to my local mall and see free-standing businesses, outlets of small chains, and franchises of brand-businesses which are actually owned locally. And I can walk there.

    , @Dmon
    @Wilkey

    Apparently you're not familiar with the Magic Johnson Movie Theaters flagship cinema in Baldwin Hills. In the wake of the Rodney King riots, it was going to be the centerpiece of a huge publicly-funded (well, actually private entities submitting to a shakedown) expansion of the Baldwin Hills Crenshaw Plaza. Over the course of the next 20 years or so, the Macy's turned into a Walmart which turned into an empty space (way, way before covid). The Magic Johnson Theater disappeared long before that. The mall is up for sale, but buyers are hard to come by:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_Hills_Crenshaw_Plaza
    "During the transition to a new owner, community leaders and groups have expressed concern about African American ownership and participation in the project.[19][20] The mall has been seeking a buyer who would build out the approved plan but the sale to LIVWRK and DFH Partners was scuttled in December 2020 after meeting with community protests.[21] A local group called Downtown Crenshaw made an offer to purchase the mall through a community land trust but has been turned down.[11] With the assistance of experienced architecture firms, they created a plan that included affordable housing, a healthcare clinic, child care, satellite campuses for job training, conference spaces, and Black art spaces.[22] The group continues to advocate for community based ownership of the mall.[23]"

    Basically, its' immediate future is probably to become a giant race hustling money sump, eventually transitioning to a massive abandoned crack house. The locals will have to do their undocumented shopping at the Fox Hills Mall, with occasional larger organized pillaging forays to the Beverly Center (on special occasions, such as the new triannual George Floyd Free Shit Memorial Wilding Day.
    For those thinking the poor blacks just can't catch a break:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_Hills,_Los_Angeles

    "Baldwin Hills is a neighborhood within the South Los Angeles region of Los Angeles California. It is home to Kenneth Hahn State Regional Park and to Village Green, a National Historic Landmark. As of end of 2020, Baldwin Hills ranks number two among top 10 richest black communities in US, with an average family income of $157,033, and it has been nicknamed as Black Beverly Hills after black musicians and actors have moved into the area.[1]"

    https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/zip-code/california/los_angeles/90008
    "Los Angeles (zip 90008) violent crime is 60.9. (The US average is 22.7)
    Los Angeles (zip 90008) property crime is 65.7. (The US average is 35.4)"

  40. Attiah was born in Northeastern Texas in 1986 to a Nigerian-Ghanaian mother and Ghanaian father. Her father was a pulmonologist. After a bachelor’s degree at Northwestern University, Attiah won a Fulbright Scholarship to study in Accra, Ghana, and obtained an MA in International Affairs from Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs in 2012.

    Elite colleges have returned to their old function of conferring prestige on the offspring of the Highly Credentialed. That’s why objective measures of ability like the SAT are going in the trash. Doctors and lawyers feel entitled to Well-Above-Average kids, and a degree from a fancy college will do nicely in lieu of actual ability. This is partly why there’s so little pushback from faculty – they, too, need Junior to get into Princeton instead of having to do the unthinkable like run a hardware store or fix computers for a living.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
  41. There will be national holidays every year from now until American regains its sanity for Juneteenth and Black Wall “Skreet.” MOST Americans had never even heard of either one until maybe a few years ago. CNN has really been pushing this Black Wall Skreet documentary to the full hilt. Everyone with a brain cell knows that it will be yet another piece of over the top anti-White “REELITY” instead of actual REALITY.

  42. Is there an editor nearby?

    Sometimes the odious beat seems to stop, offering what feels like a respite — for those lucky enough to survive the last cycle.

    For blacks it’s always this:

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @El Dato

    If you mean "a white person afflicting blacks" then ok.

    Otherwise, describing a comparison between black-white relations in the US and what specifically Euphemia li Britannia is doing there, why, and in what context would be easily a term paper and maybe a thesis. Ok, at least a lengthy blog post.

  43. @Rob McX
    People often talk about robots and AI being able to do jobs immigrants are doing, and this certainly applies to these tedious articles by the likes of Oranicha Jumreornvong and Karen Attiah. White privilege-George Floyd-reparations-oppression-legacy of slavery-blah blah. You could teach a parrot to crank out these pieces.

    Replies: @Richard B, @Forbes, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Dude, a standard Mad Lib could cover these articles.

  44. @Jonathan Mason
    @Luke Lea

    That is an interesting account of an America that you don't see anymore.

    The whole idea that you can have shops and stores within walking distance of where people live has been thrown out in the United States in favor of a motorized society.

    One noticeable difference between the street scenes of North America (US) and those of Latin America and South America are that the latter have micro businesses everywhere.

    For example here in Ecuador my local bus station contains more than half a dozen small one person cafes and restaurants, internet cafes, places to pay bills and recharge cell phones, a stationery and printing store , cell phone stores, a mini market, and a pharmacy. Only the pharmacy has more than one employee or owner/operator.

    And that is just indoors. Outside there are various snack sellers, fruit sellers, and vendors.

    The equivalent bus terminal in the US would often just have automatic vending machines.

    Just down the road two blocks away is a major supermarket, but opposite the supermarket is a ceviche stand under a tree where you can get a takeaway or sit at a wobbly plastic table and eat your raw seafood concoction.

    In the massive bus terminal in Guayaquil, which doubles up as a shopping mall, there are over 100 departure Gates, and for every two gates there is a hut selling drinks and snacks run by one person.

    While buses wait to depart handicapped people jump on the buses trying to make a living by selling trifles ranging from instant recharges for cell phones to quack medicines to passengers. En route vendors jump on buses with hot snacks and pies, and then depart a few minutes later to catch a bus going in the opposite direction.

    In my local market town there must be at least 20 stores selling shoes, and each one is owner operated. In the fish market there are 100 numbered booths with individuals selling fish and seafood.

    Bottom line is that Nations and economies have to decide what is more important, efficiency or jobs.

    This is perhaps one of the biggest political differences that people have worldwide. What is more important, efficiency or employment?

    In a high wage economy like the United States, the small individual subsistence building becomes much less viable, because the low-earning person still has to pay high electricity and water bills and rents just like the corporate employees.

    Yesterday I had some medical tests done, a panel of blood work, that included eight tests with a hemogram, clotting studies, fasting sugar, cholesterol, and triglycerides. The cost was $35.50--cash not insurance-- and I had the printed results in my hand in 3 hours. The same thing in the United States would have cost at least a couple of $100 for cash, and they probably wouldn't even accept cash.

    I wonder if poor countries suddenly just started charging US prices for lab work, would that make everybody rich? The healthcare workers would have more money, so they would spend more money on other products and services, and it would all just go around?

    I would pay $5 instead of $1 for a bag of limes, and the fruit vendors would get rich.

    I guess there is an obvious flaw in this reasoning.

    Anyway the outcome of corporate hegemony is that it makes small self-employment very hard.

    But if corporate hegemony is what we want, because of the benefits we think it brings our country, like houses that all look the same, shouldn't we also guarantee everybody a living wage?

    When you look at it the main reason that the United States enjoy such affluence is the reserve currency status of the dollar. The US can print billions of more dollars, and the exchange rate of the dollar hardly sinks at all against other currencies.

    On the other hand if other nations just decide to make everybody rich by printing more money, then their money soon becomes worthless in terms of international commerce.

    Because of this some years ago Ecuador switched to using the US dollar as its national currency. But there are control mechanisms in place to stop Ecuador from simply printing dollars and getting rich. And the ubiquitous $1 coin bears the image of James Madison and is presumably coined in the US.

    Countries that have their own currency can certainly print more of it so as to give pay raises to government workers, police, and teachers, but the result is that imported goods and products become more expensive. Hence the Dominican Republic has plenty of policemen, but their police have very few cars, which are not made on the island.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Anonymous, @Art Deco

    > Yesterday [in Ecuador] I had some medical tests done, a panel of blood work, that included eight tests with a hemogram, clotting studies, fasting sugar, cholesterol, and triglycerides. The cost was $35.50–cash not insurance– and I had the printed results in my hand in 3 hours. The same thing in the United States would have cost at least a couple of $100 for cash, and they probably wouldn’t even accept cash.

    They do. I had some tests run and got a $312 bill due to an insurance mishap. Repeated red “going to collection agency we mean it” letters while I straightened it out. Final contract price was $60, $48 from insurance plus my copay. Crazy system.

    BTW, comments of this quality will bring up your average, a lot.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  45. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:

    On a local-access channel a Negro League documentary I saw once — *NOT* the Ken Burns one, which was less forthright about being a Negro League doc — ended with its youngish (30s/40s) Black host interviewing Buck O’Neil and asking, respectfully, if an organic tradition of some worth had been lost after integration, since this cast the die against an extensive, multi-state mini-economy run by and benefiting Black people, restaurants, hotels, etc. to support traveling Negro League teams & make money off of them and their audience. O’Neil’s reply was, paraphrase, “Yeah, well, maybe, but who cares about those restaurant losers, I want to compete against and beat every white ballplayer in the land”

  46. Specifics are the stake to put through the heart of these vampires. Obv the big money men behind it don’t have to defend anything but the sons-of-bitches “on our side” pushing this (looking at you Lukianoff, you shld be ashamed of yourself) still do and they hide in the weeds of abstraction.

    Smoke them out!

  47. Black pizza delivery dude tired of street reparations.

  48. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @Luke Lea

    That is an interesting account of an America that you don't see anymore.

    The whole idea that you can have shops and stores within walking distance of where people live has been thrown out in the United States in favor of a motorized society.

    One noticeable difference between the street scenes of North America (US) and those of Latin America and South America are that the latter have micro businesses everywhere.

    For example here in Ecuador my local bus station contains more than half a dozen small one person cafes and restaurants, internet cafes, places to pay bills and recharge cell phones, a stationery and printing store , cell phone stores, a mini market, and a pharmacy. Only the pharmacy has more than one employee or owner/operator.

    And that is just indoors. Outside there are various snack sellers, fruit sellers, and vendors.

    The equivalent bus terminal in the US would often just have automatic vending machines.

    Just down the road two blocks away is a major supermarket, but opposite the supermarket is a ceviche stand under a tree where you can get a takeaway or sit at a wobbly plastic table and eat your raw seafood concoction.

    In the massive bus terminal in Guayaquil, which doubles up as a shopping mall, there are over 100 departure Gates, and for every two gates there is a hut selling drinks and snacks run by one person.

    While buses wait to depart handicapped people jump on the buses trying to make a living by selling trifles ranging from instant recharges for cell phones to quack medicines to passengers. En route vendors jump on buses with hot snacks and pies, and then depart a few minutes later to catch a bus going in the opposite direction.

    In my local market town there must be at least 20 stores selling shoes, and each one is owner operated. In the fish market there are 100 numbered booths with individuals selling fish and seafood.

    Bottom line is that Nations and economies have to decide what is more important, efficiency or jobs.

    This is perhaps one of the biggest political differences that people have worldwide. What is more important, efficiency or employment?

    In a high wage economy like the United States, the small individual subsistence building becomes much less viable, because the low-earning person still has to pay high electricity and water bills and rents just like the corporate employees.

    Yesterday I had some medical tests done, a panel of blood work, that included eight tests with a hemogram, clotting studies, fasting sugar, cholesterol, and triglycerides. The cost was $35.50--cash not insurance-- and I had the printed results in my hand in 3 hours. The same thing in the United States would have cost at least a couple of $100 for cash, and they probably wouldn't even accept cash.

    I wonder if poor countries suddenly just started charging US prices for lab work, would that make everybody rich? The healthcare workers would have more money, so they would spend more money on other products and services, and it would all just go around?

    I would pay $5 instead of $1 for a bag of limes, and the fruit vendors would get rich.

    I guess there is an obvious flaw in this reasoning.

    Anyway the outcome of corporate hegemony is that it makes small self-employment very hard.

    But if corporate hegemony is what we want, because of the benefits we think it brings our country, like houses that all look the same, shouldn't we also guarantee everybody a living wage?

    When you look at it the main reason that the United States enjoy such affluence is the reserve currency status of the dollar. The US can print billions of more dollars, and the exchange rate of the dollar hardly sinks at all against other currencies.

    On the other hand if other nations just decide to make everybody rich by printing more money, then their money soon becomes worthless in terms of international commerce.

    Because of this some years ago Ecuador switched to using the US dollar as its national currency. But there are control mechanisms in place to stop Ecuador from simply printing dollars and getting rich. And the ubiquitous $1 coin bears the image of James Madison and is presumably coined in the US.

    Countries that have their own currency can certainly print more of it so as to give pay raises to government workers, police, and teachers, but the result is that imported goods and products become more expensive. Hence the Dominican Republic has plenty of policemen, but their police have very few cars, which are not made on the island.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Anonymous, @Art Deco

    Your story reminds me of the brief dialogue in “Fences” between Viola Davis and Denzel Washington in which she passive-aggressively chides him for buying something at the local grocer available with a price 10 cents lower at the A&P. He replies something to the effect of, “When I buy from Bella’s I know what I’m getting for my money.”

  49. Also, it didn’t help that blacks started rioting and looting and burning down their own business districts in the 1960s.

    MLK Chicago mayhem circa 1968.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Joe Stalin

    The National Bureau of Economic Research published two papers demonstrating the negative effects of the 1960's riots on African-American income, employment, and property values, using comparisons with similar cities unaffected by riots.

    How the 1960s’ Riots Hurt African-Americans

    “The riots had economically significant negative effects on blacks’ income and employment. Further, those effects may have been larger in the long run – from 1960 to 1980 – than in the short run – from 1960 to 1970.”

    “The riots significantly depressed the median value of black-owned property between 1960 and 1970, with little or no rebound in the 1970s.”

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w10493

    , @anonymous
    @Joe Stalin

    Steve's wife was a little girl living in or very near to the west-side Chicago neighborhood shown in that video. After those 68' MLK riots her father sold their house at a loss and moved the family to a farmhouse with no running water on the outskirts of the suburbs.

    , @europeasant
    @Joe Stalin

    Me and 3 friends took a car tour of Madison Ave the Sunday after the riots ended. It was safe the Sunday morning as the locals were very tired from all their activity plus there was not much left to burn. The west side had a large Jewish presence with all the stores along Madison. Too bad I didn't have a camera. It looked like a war zone. One could see the smoke from miles away.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  50. The Press has all the subtlety of a burglar with a crowbar when forcing, “The Tulsa Race Riot” (and associated phrases like, “The destruction of Black Wall Street”) into the National Conversation.

    It’s almost comical how topics that were the subject of barely literate FaceBook memes posted by the more paranoid and conspiracy-minded of the We Wuz Kangz set a few years ago make up the most solemn topics in major op-Ed pages. I fully expect Dr. Yakub to be exposed any day now.

  51. I was not up on the current state of the Tulsa commemoration. The three “survivors” were going to get $100,000 each, but their lawyers up the request to a million each and $50 million for a reparations fund. Were Tulsa taxpayers supposed to be on the hook for this? Jesse Jackson and others always kept their shakedown requests within the realm of possibility. This next wave doesn’t seem to be able to do that.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tulsa-remember-rise-event-canceled-days-centennial-race-massacre-n1269028

  52. ‘Black Wall Street’ is a bit grandiose for a street with a hotel, a theatre, an insurance office, a couple of lawyers’ digs, and some restaurants. The richest man there was OW Gurley, worth 200k or about $3 million in today’s money.

    The guys who own the parking garages around the actual Wall Street would jump out the window if they woke up tomorrow worth $3 million.

    Do these people not recognize sarcasm? ‘Black Wall Street’ sounds like something some wise-ass 14 year-old would come up with.

  53. ‘Homeland Security Says Commemorations of Tulsa Race Massacre Could be Target for White Supremacists’

    They’re operating in a reality that doesn’t exist outside their imagination; they’re clinically insane.

  54. In Tulsa 100 years ago, a black mob started a race riot and a white mob ended it.

    [citation needed]*

    *Cause I can’t find one. I believe you, Steve. Yahoo search I got 28 pages in and gave up. Page after page of the same tripe:

    “Prosperous blacks were just counting their money when a gang of whites attacked them and killed them.”

  55. @Desiderius
    @Art Deco

    The Brain Drain (not only from Black Communities BTW but most severely felt there due to dearer supply) not only attenuated the supporting structures (churches, the arts, bookkeeping, ad infinitum...) those communities needed to thrive it also changed the vocations the people attached to those brains pursued, lessening the overall societal supply of beneficial g-loaded professions as well.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    lessening the overall societal supply of beneficial g-loaded professions as well.

    I don’t think there were proportionately more professional-managerial employees in the black population in 1925. I would wager there were proportionately more self-employed people in 1925 (and on both sides of the color bar), but I wouldn’t place that bet in re the non-agricultural sectors of the economy.

    attenuated the supporting structures (churches, the arts, bookkeeping, ad infinitum…) those communities needed to thrive

    A prosperous urban neighborhood has in it (1) residences which are not a health and safety hazard and (2) enterprises within walking distance which can trade with households, and (3) elements of the common life apart from commerce (e.g. churches, schools, parks). I don’t think you need many haut bourgeois types for that. You benefit from having schoolteachers &c, small merchants, clergyman, primary care doctors &c, and cops. You need security.

    You cannot have those things because people who have other options don’t want to be mugged by hoodlums when they go to the drugstore and they don’t want their drugstore cleaned out by those same hoodlums. If they have kids, they don’t want the hoodlums beating up their kids or the pace of instruction at the local school determined by a youngster performing at the 10th percentile.

    A generation ago in my hometown there was a local minister named Raymond Graves. He was resentful loudmouth on the rolodex of the local Gannett paper. About three years after he replaced the previous pair of resentful loudmouths on the rolodex, I discovered the man actually lived in the southern extremity of a suburban township south of the city. He lived about 10 miles from the center of the southside slums and 15 from the center of the northside slums. My mother was then living 4.5 miles and 3 miles from those same points on the map. The split levels where he was living are currently priced at about $200k.

  56. @Wilkey

    In truth, lots of American cities had a vibrant black business center before the Affirmative Action Age. But when big companies in the 1960s started wanting to hire blacks for virtue-signaling reasons, bustling black business districts quickly vanished.
     
    Basically what happened to every other Main Street in America. Those “bustling black business districts” mostly were comprised of one or two or five employee operations that got destroyed by business consolidation and the rest. Lots of half-assed small burger and shake joints driven out of business by franchise chains with assembly line models that did the work better, more reliably, and at lower cost. The local banks and grocery stores that once had local owners were bought out (if they were lucky) or simply driven under by the big corporate chains, and American small towns were decapitated, with much of their elite fleeing to the big cities.

    And in black parts of town it was even worse. The black men and women who were capable of running successful businesses packed up and left when things got violent and they were able to move to white parts of town. “Bustling black business districts” were the result of segregation, not the victims of it. If blacks want to recreate it all they need to do is stop eating at places like McDonald’s and stop shopping at stores like WalMart. I implore all of those black athletes with their eight figure Nike endorsement contracts to abandon Nike and sign on with some black-owned athletic shoe company. C’mon guys - take one for the team.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Dmon

    Basically what happened to every other Main Street in America. Those “bustling black business districts” mostly were comprised of one or two or five employee operations that got destroyed by business consolidation and the rest. Lots of half-assed small burger and shake joints driven out of business by franchise chains with assembly line models that did the work better, more reliably, and at lower cost. The local banks and grocery stores that once had local owners were bought out (if they were lucky) or simply driven under by the big corporate chains, and American small towns were decapitated, with much of their elite fleeing to the big cities.

    I think there’s a lot of truth to that, but I can go to my local mall and see free-standing businesses, outlets of small chains, and franchises of brand-businesses which are actually owned locally. And I can walk there.

  57. I wish I had a link—

    I read an interesting article that chronicled the demise of the black business district in Tulsa.

    After the Tulsa Race Riot the Black Wall Street area was rebuilt. Of course some unfortunate people list their lives or businesses, but others opened. By 1925 it was booming.

    The next big blow was Urban Renewal. In the 1950s a highway was built in the middle of the neighborhood and the poor folks were sent off to live in the north side of Tulsa.

    Black owned businesses thrived until the 1960s or 1970s. With integration the black owned businesses fell apart. As others have pointed out, this was an era when small white owned businesses were dropping like flies as well.

    These days the Talented Tenth generally no longer live in black neighborhoods and generally don’t patronize black owned businesses. There are exceptions. DC is famous for middle and even upper middle class black neighborhoods.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Paleo Liberal

    The District of Columbia does not have upper middle class all black neighborhoods. Such neighborhoods are in Prince Georges County Maryland. However, the schools in upper middle class black neighborhoods are still low achiving compared to the upper middle class Asian neighborhoods of Fairfax or Montgomery County.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    , @ic1000
    @Paleo Liberal

    Tulsa was the 97th largest city in the U.S. in 1920. Here is the 90 to 100 rankings.

    90 (pop. 76,754 in 1920 / 64,897 in 2020) Bayonne, New Jersey
    91 (76,121 / 110,417) Peoria, Illinois
    92 (75,917 / 49,271) Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
    93 (74,683 / 1,423,851) San Diego, California
    94 (73,833 / 40,766) Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania
    95 (73,502 / 121,442) Allentown, Pennsylvania
    96 (72,217 / 389,938) Wichita, Kansas
    97 (72,075 / 401,190) Tulsa, Oklahoma
    98 (71,996 / 49,154) Troy, New York
    99 (71,227 / 82,651) Sioux City, Iowa
    100 (70,983 / 102,026) South Bend, Indiana

    So four of these cities have shrunk in the past century. Their downtown businesses of 100 years ago are unlikely to have generally thrived.

    Four have grown modestly. Two -- Tulsa and Wichita -- have expanded about five-fold in population. And San Diego has become the 8th-largest U.S. city.

    So at first glace, Wichita looks good for an apples-to-apples matchup with Tulsa. BestPlaces' snapshots paint the cities as roughly comparable. Tulsa is 14.9% black, Wichita is 10.9% black.

    In the absence of the Wichita Race Riot of 1921, does it have a noticeably prosperous Black Wall Street? Can any commenters who know both cities speak to this comparison? (The best written account I could find was on Google Books, African Americans of Wichita (2015) -- not very informative.)

    Replies: @Charlotte

    , @Chris Renner
    @Paleo Liberal

    Here's a link for you: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tulsa-s-greenwood-neighborhood-found-prosperity-after-1921-massacre-then-n1268455

  58. @Jonathan Mason
    @Luke Lea

    That is an interesting account of an America that you don't see anymore.

    The whole idea that you can have shops and stores within walking distance of where people live has been thrown out in the United States in favor of a motorized society.

    One noticeable difference between the street scenes of North America (US) and those of Latin America and South America are that the latter have micro businesses everywhere.

    For example here in Ecuador my local bus station contains more than half a dozen small one person cafes and restaurants, internet cafes, places to pay bills and recharge cell phones, a stationery and printing store , cell phone stores, a mini market, and a pharmacy. Only the pharmacy has more than one employee or owner/operator.

    And that is just indoors. Outside there are various snack sellers, fruit sellers, and vendors.

    The equivalent bus terminal in the US would often just have automatic vending machines.

    Just down the road two blocks away is a major supermarket, but opposite the supermarket is a ceviche stand under a tree where you can get a takeaway or sit at a wobbly plastic table and eat your raw seafood concoction.

    In the massive bus terminal in Guayaquil, which doubles up as a shopping mall, there are over 100 departure Gates, and for every two gates there is a hut selling drinks and snacks run by one person.

    While buses wait to depart handicapped people jump on the buses trying to make a living by selling trifles ranging from instant recharges for cell phones to quack medicines to passengers. En route vendors jump on buses with hot snacks and pies, and then depart a few minutes later to catch a bus going in the opposite direction.

    In my local market town there must be at least 20 stores selling shoes, and each one is owner operated. In the fish market there are 100 numbered booths with individuals selling fish and seafood.

    Bottom line is that Nations and economies have to decide what is more important, efficiency or jobs.

    This is perhaps one of the biggest political differences that people have worldwide. What is more important, efficiency or employment?

    In a high wage economy like the United States, the small individual subsistence building becomes much less viable, because the low-earning person still has to pay high electricity and water bills and rents just like the corporate employees.

    Yesterday I had some medical tests done, a panel of blood work, that included eight tests with a hemogram, clotting studies, fasting sugar, cholesterol, and triglycerides. The cost was $35.50--cash not insurance-- and I had the printed results in my hand in 3 hours. The same thing in the United States would have cost at least a couple of $100 for cash, and they probably wouldn't even accept cash.

    I wonder if poor countries suddenly just started charging US prices for lab work, would that make everybody rich? The healthcare workers would have more money, so they would spend more money on other products and services, and it would all just go around?

    I would pay $5 instead of $1 for a bag of limes, and the fruit vendors would get rich.

    I guess there is an obvious flaw in this reasoning.

    Anyway the outcome of corporate hegemony is that it makes small self-employment very hard.

    But if corporate hegemony is what we want, because of the benefits we think it brings our country, like houses that all look the same, shouldn't we also guarantee everybody a living wage?

    When you look at it the main reason that the United States enjoy such affluence is the reserve currency status of the dollar. The US can print billions of more dollars, and the exchange rate of the dollar hardly sinks at all against other currencies.

    On the other hand if other nations just decide to make everybody rich by printing more money, then their money soon becomes worthless in terms of international commerce.

    Because of this some years ago Ecuador switched to using the US dollar as its national currency. But there are control mechanisms in place to stop Ecuador from simply printing dollars and getting rich. And the ubiquitous $1 coin bears the image of James Madison and is presumably coined in the US.

    Countries that have their own currency can certainly print more of it so as to give pay raises to government workers, police, and teachers, but the result is that imported goods and products become more expensive. Hence the Dominican Republic has plenty of policemen, but their police have very few cars, which are not made on the island.

    Replies: @ic1000, @Anonymous, @Art Deco

    The whole idea that you can have shops and stores within walking distance of where people live has been thrown out in the United States in favor of a motorized society.

    There’s a lot of truth to that, but it isn’t true without qualification. About 30% of the population lives in the countryside. People living in those places have always done business by mail-order or via wheeled transportation. Another 30% or so of the population lives in small towns, core cities, or older suburbs which and these still have walkable neighborhoods.

    One thing that has disappeared is itinerant tradesmen dealing in anything but home maintenance and the like. They disappeared pretty much for people living everywhere.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Art Deco


    One thing that has disappeared is itinerant tradesmen dealing in anything but home maintenance and the like. They disappeared pretty much for people living everywhere.
     
    It seems that way. Where I live in Ecuador--down a dirt road called 10th Avenue that we don't pay taxes to maintain--we have a guy who comes round a couple of times a week selling fruit and veg from a pickup truck with a loudspeaker on the roof, well below supermarket prices.

    Basically everything is a dollar, whether it be a whole watermelon, a bunch of broccoli, or a bag of potatoes, which greatly simplifies matters as totals can be worked out by mental arithmetic.

    This business model is very simple as it requires no retail property, billboards, radio and TV advertising, parking lots, customer toilets, or cash register. Debit cards are not accepted. Cash is king.

    I have often thought that if one was to abolish welfare and food stamps in the US, you would also have to enact a Constitutional Amendment that no federal, state, or local law or ordinance could be enacted that in any way stopped people from earning a living and supporting their family--other than things that were really dangerous, like setting up a gasoline pump in your front yard, or smelly, like setting up a pig farm in your back yard.

    But the PTB in the US would never go for it, because it would challenge the corporate hegemony and give too much power to the people.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @ThreeCranes

  59. Here, in the ‘rust belt,’ the black neighborhoods thrived because black men were making a very good living working in the steel mills and foundries and associated businesses. The white guys who worked along side of them pushed their sons to ‘get an education so you don’t have to work in the mills.’ The mills closed, the jobs ended and the young blacks who had planned on following their fathers to the mills were left without jobs. The housing in Buffalo’s black neighborhoods was the same quality as the Italian, Polish, Jewish, German and Irish neighborhoods. It wasn’t wrecked by maurading bands of whites, it fell into disrepair because owning a house costs money. Any equity comes when you sell it.The small businesses closed because running any business on a narrow margin is a recipe for failure. The black drug store owner got a job at the super market pharmacy. The auto repair shop was replaced by a guy working in an oil stained driveway. The funeral homes stayed.

    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Buffalo Joe


    The black drug store owner got a job at the super market pharmacy. The auto repair shop was replaced by a guy working in an oil stained driveway. The funeral homes stayed.
     
    Same kind of thing happened to white people in England in my lifetime.

    I remember the village grocer, called Mr. Wood, who used to cut off and weigh chunks of butter from a big wheel, place it on the scale on a piece of greaseproof paper, and say things like "it's half an ounce over, is that OK?" before moving on to slice off some bacon on a machine where the flywheel was cranked by hand.

    Then the first supermarket opened in the market town 9 miles away, and within a year Mr. Wood had taken a job as a National Health Service administrator. I am sure he was thrifty with the taxpayers money, and still had enough years left to earn a decent pension.

    His grocery is now a liquor store.

    <
    https://loveincstatic.blob.core.windows.net/loveexploring/N%20Yorkshire%20guide/shutterstock_1330366694_Grassington.jpg

    We are all like the animals in Animal Farm, dimly remembering a time in the past when it seemed like things were different, but brainwashed by official media propaganda.

    Replies: @martin_2, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  60. @Paleo Liberal
    I wish I had a link—

    I read an interesting article that chronicled the demise of the black business district in Tulsa.

    After the Tulsa Race Riot the Black Wall Street area was rebuilt. Of course some unfortunate people list their lives or businesses, but others opened. By 1925 it was booming.

    The next big blow was Urban Renewal. In the 1950s a highway was built in the middle of the neighborhood and the poor folks were sent off to live in the north side of Tulsa.

    Black owned businesses thrived until the 1960s or 1970s. With integration the black owned businesses fell apart. As others have pointed out, this was an era when small white owned businesses were dropping like flies as well.

    These days the Talented Tenth generally no longer live in black neighborhoods and generally don’t patronize black owned businesses. There are exceptions. DC is famous for middle and even upper middle class black neighborhoods.

    Replies: @guest007, @ic1000, @Chris Renner

    The District of Columbia does not have upper middle class all black neighborhoods. Such neighborhoods are in Prince Georges County Maryland. However, the schools in upper middle class black neighborhoods are still low achiving compared to the upper middle class Asian neighborhoods of Fairfax or Montgomery County.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @guest007

    Thanks for the correction.

    So DC area rather than DC proper.

    Replies: @Polistra

  61. @Paleo Liberal
    I wish I had a link—

    I read an interesting article that chronicled the demise of the black business district in Tulsa.

    After the Tulsa Race Riot the Black Wall Street area was rebuilt. Of course some unfortunate people list their lives or businesses, but others opened. By 1925 it was booming.

    The next big blow was Urban Renewal. In the 1950s a highway was built in the middle of the neighborhood and the poor folks were sent off to live in the north side of Tulsa.

    Black owned businesses thrived until the 1960s or 1970s. With integration the black owned businesses fell apart. As others have pointed out, this was an era when small white owned businesses were dropping like flies as well.

    These days the Talented Tenth generally no longer live in black neighborhoods and generally don’t patronize black owned businesses. There are exceptions. DC is famous for middle and even upper middle class black neighborhoods.

    Replies: @guest007, @ic1000, @Chris Renner

    Tulsa was the 97th largest city in the U.S. in 1920. Here is the 90 to 100 rankings.

    90 (pop. 76,754 in 1920 / 64,897 in 2020) Bayonne, New Jersey
    91 (76,121 / 110,417) Peoria, Illinois
    92 (75,917 / 49,271) Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
    93 (74,683 / 1,423,851) San Diego, California
    94 (73,833 / 40,766) Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania
    95 (73,502 / 121,442) Allentown, Pennsylvania
    96 (72,217 / 389,938) Wichita, Kansas
    97 (72,075 / 401,190) Tulsa, Oklahoma
    98 (71,996 / 49,154) Troy, New York
    99 (71,227 / 82,651) Sioux City, Iowa
    100 (70,983 / 102,026) South Bend, Indiana

    So four of these cities have shrunk in the past century. Their downtown businesses of 100 years ago are unlikely to have generally thrived.

    Four have grown modestly. Two — Tulsa and Wichita — have expanded about five-fold in population. And San Diego has become the 8th-largest U.S. city.

    So at first glace, Wichita looks good for an apples-to-apples matchup with Tulsa. BestPlaces’ snapshots paint the cities as roughly comparable. Tulsa is 14.9% black, Wichita is 10.9% black.

    In the absence of the Wichita Race Riot of 1921, does it have a noticeably prosperous Black Wall Street? Can any commenters who know both cities speak to this comparison? (The best written account I could find was on Google Books, African Americans of Wichita (2015) — not very informative.)

    • Replies: @Charlotte
    @ic1000

    I have a passing familiarity with Wichita-no Black Wall Street that I know of. It’s considered a good idea to stay well away from the black areas of town due to the high crime rate. Lots of drugs, gangs, and violence.

  62. @Art Deco
    @Jonathan Mason

    The whole idea that you can have shops and stores within walking distance of where people live has been thrown out in the United States in favor of a motorized society.

    There's a lot of truth to that, but it isn't true without qualification. About 30% of the population lives in the countryside. People living in those places have always done business by mail-order or via wheeled transportation. Another 30% or so of the population lives in small towns, core cities, or older suburbs which and these still have walkable neighborhoods.


    One thing that has disappeared is itinerant tradesmen dealing in anything but home maintenance and the like. They disappeared pretty much for people living everywhere.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    One thing that has disappeared is itinerant tradesmen dealing in anything but home maintenance and the like. They disappeared pretty much for people living everywhere.

    It seems that way. Where I live in Ecuador–down a dirt road called 10th Avenue that we don’t pay taxes to maintain–we have a guy who comes round a couple of times a week selling fruit and veg from a pickup truck with a loudspeaker on the roof, well below supermarket prices.

    Basically everything is a dollar, whether it be a whole watermelon, a bunch of broccoli, or a bag of potatoes, which greatly simplifies matters as totals can be worked out by mental arithmetic.

    This business model is very simple as it requires no retail property, billboards, radio and TV advertising, parking lots, customer toilets, or cash register. Debit cards are not accepted. Cash is king.

    I have often thought that if one was to abolish welfare and food stamps in the US, you would also have to enact a Constitutional Amendment that no federal, state, or local law or ordinance could be enacted that in any way stopped people from earning a living and supporting their family–other than things that were really dangerous, like setting up a gasoline pump in your front yard, or smelly, like setting up a pig farm in your back yard.

    But the PTB in the US would never go for it, because it would challenge the corporate hegemony and give too much power to the people.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jonathan Mason

    He still has to pay for the truck and everything needed to run it. Also where is he getting the produce? Weird.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    , @ThreeCranes
    @Jonathan Mason

    Won't work in America because fruits and vegetables are no longer grown in this country. Much of the produce that appears in our grocery stores comes from foreign nations like California, Mexico, Peru etc. Fifty years ago, America's Midwest grew the best tasting produce in the world, thanks to its incredibly rich soil and abundant water. Now, most of our vegetables are manufactured in California from inorganic raw materials. The work force which assembles these items is as alien in composition as are the vegetables themselves. Midwest farms grow wheat, soybeans and corn for export.

    Anyone here who doesn't believe that Bill Gates has his fruit and vegetables flown in daily from the completely organic farms functioning on his vast land holdings? Along with his fresh wild shrimp, lobster and salmon?

  63. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Art Deco

    I'm glad I checked the comments first, as I was about to comment on that 2nd-to-last paragraph too, Art. I don't think it takes the particularly bright of the black people to run small businesses. It takes hard-working people.

    Lots of other nasty Socialist policies were implemented besides AA, all around the same time - mid/late 1960s (well, and going on from there). What could have discouraged hard-working black people to not work hard at keeping small businesses anymore? Welfare. The damage was 2-fold, as 1) who needs to work that hard, when you can mooch off "the man"? and 2) Welfare greatly increased the destruction of the black nuclear family due to incentives to have children out of wedlock. How do you run family business when you don't have a family?

    .

    That's a minor point regarding another good post, Steve. Thanks.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Dube

    How do you run a family business when you don’t have a family?

    Agreed, thanks.

  64. There hasn’t been one of those in the U.S. since Detroit in 1943. Since then, “race riot” has meant blacks looting and/or burning.

    The opening montage of the Adam Curtis-esque Nat Geo ‘LA 1992’ documentary uses footage across 3 different race riots in LA over 50 years to illustrate that though the style and language has changed, the essential dynamic was the same.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Altai

    That's a really good one; it shows, among other things, the oft-praised LA Koreans losing no time in throwing whites under the bus.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  65. @Luke Lea
    This certainly rings true in the case of my home town, Chattanooga, Tennessee. When I was in grammar school (1940's) the streetcare that would take me and my friends from the downtown YMCA to our homes went down 9th St, which we kids innocently referred to as N town, and which at the time was far and away the most vibrant part of town. Not only were there numerous small black businesses lining both sides of the street and numerous apartments and small houses located directly behind them, but there were countless pedestrians crowded along both sides of the street as well as lazily sauntering in the street itself,all in a seemingly perpetual holiday mood. To us kids it was our one and only chance to see a genuine African American community in full bloom. We loved it without prejudice or judgment of any kind beyond the fact that it looked like a really fun place to live.

    But then in the 1960's urban renewal (urban removal?) came in and literally bulldozed all the stores and residential buildings leaving behind a cold, antiseptic space devoid of people. And of course 9th Street was renamed Martin Luther King Boulevard.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Jonathan Mason, @SunBakedSuburb

    “a cold, antiseptic space devoid of people”

    Sounds heavenly.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Mister Smith, please!

    , @anon
    @SunBakedSuburb

    I agree. There's a lot of rhetoric romanticizing the more interpersonal past, but I can honestly say I have never really missed the awkward small talk with a bank teller when I'm making an ATM withdrawal, or the exchange of niceties with a cashier when I'm at a self-checkout.

  66. These people should open up a used bridge lot.

  67. OT: Happening: The Cyberspace Pogrom

    The Social Media Pogrom

    While you were fiddling on the roof:

    Two weeks ago, as Westerners began educating themselves about Sheikh Jarrah and the Iron Dome through stick figures with biased speech bubbles on the Diet Prada and Refinery29 Instagram feeds

    While Westerners need to educate themselves, non-Westerners just don’t care much about Israel’s latest misadventures.

    something else started happening on social media. I coined it the world’s first social media pogrom.

    Twitter Cossacks, ASSEMBLE!

    The activity that Jews—Zionist Jews in particular—experienced all over the web was bizarre at best and invalidating, abusive, and dehumanizing at worst. Zionist Jews weren’t just being unfollowed for advocating for themselves and their brothers and sisters in Israel and Palestine, we were also losing access to direct message and comment abilities, having posts removed for violating community guidelines (while blatant antisemitism online almost never receives the same treatment)

    Really?

    and having our accounts threatened with temporary suspension or closure.

    As with the Holocaust, I didn’t know that this was going on.

    The seeds of this pogrom have been sown for a while.

    “Cut down the tall tweets!” they messaged.

    Online, there are different degrees of erasure and exclusion. First comes the unfollow, which hurts, especially from those we consider friends, those we love and cherish, whose memories are still fresh. Sometimes an unfollow is the result of pressure from other online users who dox people they disagree with. Sometimes an unfollow is a decision taken with complete autonomy, someone deciding to simply delete a person from their timeline rather than ask for clarification or, God forbid, pursue a fair-minded discussion.

    I guess that’s bad.

    I assume this came from a concern for optics. The mainstream media is skewed entirely against Israel and is disgusted by anyone who asks for sober criticism instead of a consequence-free festival of Israel hatred.

    We sure all know about those fiery articles vituperating against Israel in the MSM. It’s enough to make Hasran Nasrallah blush.

    I understand how their bias persists. The oldest hatred in the world was resurrected by a new ideology and the coolest cast of woke anti-Zionist pilgrims. Poor Gal Gadot is not one such pilgrim, and instead became an example of what reaction you get if you veer from the intersectional script.

    And so on and so forth….

    I guess wokeism is not necessarily aligned with the opinions of the ADL.

    • Thanks: Polistra
  68. @Buffalo Joe
    Here, in the 'rust belt,' the black neighborhoods thrived because black men were making a very good living working in the steel mills and foundries and associated businesses. The white guys who worked along side of them pushed their sons to 'get an education so you don't have to work in the mills.' The mills closed, the jobs ended and the young blacks who had planned on following their fathers to the mills were left without jobs. The housing in Buffalo's black neighborhoods was the same quality as the Italian, Polish, Jewish, German and Irish neighborhoods. It wasn't wrecked by maurading bands of whites, it fell into disrepair because owning a house costs money. Any equity comes when you sell it.The small businesses closed because running any business on a narrow margin is a recipe for failure. The black drug store owner got a job at the super market pharmacy. The auto repair shop was replaced by a guy working in an oil stained driveway. The funeral homes stayed.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    The black drug store owner got a job at the super market pharmacy. The auto repair shop was replaced by a guy working in an oil stained driveway. The funeral homes stayed.

    Same kind of thing happened to white people in England in my lifetime.

    I remember the village grocer, called Mr. Wood, who used to cut off and weigh chunks of butter from a big wheel, place it on the scale on a piece of greaseproof paper, and say things like “it’s half an ounce over, is that OK?” before moving on to slice off some bacon on a machine where the flywheel was cranked by hand.

    Then the first supermarket opened in the market town 9 miles away, and within a year Mr. Wood had taken a job as a National Health Service administrator. I am sure he was thrifty with the taxpayers money, and still had enough years left to earn a decent pension.

    His grocery is now a liquor store.

    <
    We are all like the animals in Animal Farm, dimly remembering a time in the past when it seemed like things were different, but brainwashed by official media propaganda.

    • Replies: @martin_2
    @Jonathan Mason

    What do you mean "liquor store". I thought we called them Off Licences!

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jonathan Mason

    Thanks for the pic: Grassington is beautiful. Google Street View tour of the area is worth some clicks. Do you ever get homesick?

    https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0718316,-1.9978574,3a,57.5y,333.65h,89.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spuTlhj9G2E5ZufyHhMMXkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

  69. @Altai

    There hasn’t been one of those in the U.S. since Detroit in 1943. Since then, “race riot” has meant blacks looting and/or burning.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaotkHlHJwo

    The opening montage of the Adam Curtis-esque Nat Geo 'LA 1992' documentary uses footage across 3 different race riots in LA over 50 years to illustrate that though the style and language has changed, the essential dynamic was the same.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    That’s a really good one; it shows, among other things, the oft-praised LA Koreans losing no time in throwing whites under the bus.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    That is a really long documentary and I'm not gonna watch. Can you explain what you mean?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  70. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Luke Lea

    "a cold, antiseptic space devoid of people"

    Sounds heavenly.

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon

    Mister Smith, please!

  71. @countenance
    Black Wall Street (such as it was) was rebuilt after the 1921 riots. What ended it was, what you said, the '60s, and affirmative action.

    Replies: @Jack D, @dindunuffins

    Calling it “Black Wall Street” is hilarious. Greenwood was nothing like the real Wall Street. There was no stock exchange, no investment banks. It was not involved in the functions of raising and deploying capital in large scale enterprises which is what makes capitalism capitalism. It was a modest local commercial strip with drug stores, bakeries, clothing stores and other businesses catering to a local clientele like thousands of other small town commercial strips all across America in the pre-mall era. That blacks think that having even such a modest strip is an achievement akin to having your own Wall Street shows how little they actually understand of capitalism and how utterly incapable they would be of producing wealth if they were put in charge. It’s unbelievable that they say this with a straight face and completely without any sense of how far off the mark they are.

    Similarly, here is the “Black Vladimir Ashkenazy” playing a “Black Steinway Grand”:

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    That blacks think that having even such a modest strip is an achievement akin to having your own Wall Street shows how little they actually understand of capitalism and how utterly incapable they would be of producing wealth if they were put in charge.

    I've only ever heard the locution 'Black Wall Street' out of the mouth of a white woke-tard. Are you sure you've selected the right target here?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Rob McX
    @Jack D

    Strange how they have to inflate everything. The nearest thing you'll ever see to a black Gordon Gekko is a swaggering, bling-encrusted millionaire rapper.

  72. @Rob McX

    Homeland Security says commemorations of Tulsa race massacre could be target for White supremacists
     
    White supremacists have a track record for that kind of thing. Remember how they ran amok after the verdicts on Derek Chauvin, OJ Simpson, James Alex Fields, and others?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    The extent of “white supremacist violence” during the Floyd riots was some spicy Twitter posts. There is a 99.999% chance that no “white supremacists” will attack Tulsa riot commemorations. There is a 100% chance that the elite Jews want said violence to occur.

    • Agree: Rob McX, Polistra
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    There is a 100% chance that the elite Jews want said violence to occur.

    You're talking like someone whose missed too many doses of thorazine.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Mr. Anon
    @AndrewR

    You apparently caused internet poppinjay "Art Deco" to shriek like a parakeet who's just seen a cat through the window. It's hard to know what sets them off, isn't it?

    Replies: @anon

    , @anonymouseperson
    @AndrewR

    Playing both sides against each other is an old trick. The Romans had it down pat.

  73. In truth, lots of American cities had a vibrant black business center before the Affirmative Action Age.

    Centre Avenue through the Hill District in Pittsburgh was one of these. My grandpap grew up there in the 30s and 40s as part of a small European immigrant minority. It continued to thrive (by black standards) into the 50s and 60s. Now it’s crumbling buildings, broken windows, and general neglect that hasn’t changed in two generations. About ten years ago there was a big push to get a grocery store in the neighborhood- it being a food desert- and the store had to close after a year due to the amount of theft.

  74. @Jonathan Mason
    @Art Deco


    One thing that has disappeared is itinerant tradesmen dealing in anything but home maintenance and the like. They disappeared pretty much for people living everywhere.
     
    It seems that way. Where I live in Ecuador--down a dirt road called 10th Avenue that we don't pay taxes to maintain--we have a guy who comes round a couple of times a week selling fruit and veg from a pickup truck with a loudspeaker on the roof, well below supermarket prices.

    Basically everything is a dollar, whether it be a whole watermelon, a bunch of broccoli, or a bag of potatoes, which greatly simplifies matters as totals can be worked out by mental arithmetic.

    This business model is very simple as it requires no retail property, billboards, radio and TV advertising, parking lots, customer toilets, or cash register. Debit cards are not accepted. Cash is king.

    I have often thought that if one was to abolish welfare and food stamps in the US, you would also have to enact a Constitutional Amendment that no federal, state, or local law or ordinance could be enacted that in any way stopped people from earning a living and supporting their family--other than things that were really dangerous, like setting up a gasoline pump in your front yard, or smelly, like setting up a pig farm in your back yard.

    But the PTB in the US would never go for it, because it would challenge the corporate hegemony and give too much power to the people.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @ThreeCranes

    He still has to pay for the truck and everything needed to run it. Also where is he getting the produce? Weird.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @AndrewR

    The truck looks to be at least 20 years old, and he and his neighbors grow the produce. I don't know what is weird about that.

    Even in the United States the cost of a pickup truck is much less than the cost of a store.

  75. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Luke Lea

    "a cold, antiseptic space devoid of people"

    Sounds heavenly.

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon

    I agree. There’s a lot of rhetoric romanticizing the more interpersonal past, but I can honestly say I have never really missed the awkward small talk with a bank teller when I’m making an ATM withdrawal, or the exchange of niceties with a cashier when I’m at a self-checkout.

  76. Dmon says:
    @Wilkey

    In truth, lots of American cities had a vibrant black business center before the Affirmative Action Age. But when big companies in the 1960s started wanting to hire blacks for virtue-signaling reasons, bustling black business districts quickly vanished.
     
    Basically what happened to every other Main Street in America. Those “bustling black business districts” mostly were comprised of one or two or five employee operations that got destroyed by business consolidation and the rest. Lots of half-assed small burger and shake joints driven out of business by franchise chains with assembly line models that did the work better, more reliably, and at lower cost. The local banks and grocery stores that once had local owners were bought out (if they were lucky) or simply driven under by the big corporate chains, and American small towns were decapitated, with much of their elite fleeing to the big cities.

    And in black parts of town it was even worse. The black men and women who were capable of running successful businesses packed up and left when things got violent and they were able to move to white parts of town. “Bustling black business districts” were the result of segregation, not the victims of it. If blacks want to recreate it all they need to do is stop eating at places like McDonald’s and stop shopping at stores like WalMart. I implore all of those black athletes with their eight figure Nike endorsement contracts to abandon Nike and sign on with some black-owned athletic shoe company. C’mon guys - take one for the team.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Dmon

    Apparently you’re not familiar with the Magic Johnson Movie Theaters flagship cinema in Baldwin Hills. In the wake of the Rodney King riots, it was going to be the centerpiece of a huge publicly-funded (well, actually private entities submitting to a shakedown) expansion of the Baldwin Hills Crenshaw Plaza. Over the course of the next 20 years or so, the Macy’s turned into a Walmart which turned into an empty space (way, way before covid). The Magic Johnson Theater disappeared long before that. The mall is up for sale, but buyers are hard to come by:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_Hills_Crenshaw_Plaza
    “During the transition to a new owner, community leaders and groups have expressed concern about African American ownership and participation in the project.[19][20] The mall has been seeking a buyer who would build out the approved plan but the sale to LIVWRK and DFH Partners was scuttled in December 2020 after meeting with community protests.[21] A local group called Downtown Crenshaw made an offer to purchase the mall through a community land trust but has been turned down.[11] With the assistance of experienced architecture firms, they created a plan that included affordable housing, a healthcare clinic, child care, satellite campuses for job training, conference spaces, and Black art spaces.[22] The group continues to advocate for community based ownership of the mall.[23]”

    Basically, its’ immediate future is probably to become a giant race hustling money sump, eventually transitioning to a massive abandoned crack house. The locals will have to do their undocumented shopping at the Fox Hills Mall, with occasional larger organized pillaging forays to the Beverly Center (on special occasions, such as the new triannual George Floyd Free Shit Memorial Wilding Day.
    For those thinking the poor blacks just can’t catch a break:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_Hills,_Los_Angeles

    “Baldwin Hills is a neighborhood within the South Los Angeles region of Los Angeles California. It is home to Kenneth Hahn State Regional Park and to Village Green, a National Historic Landmark. As of end of 2020, Baldwin Hills ranks number two among top 10 richest black communities in US, with an average family income of $157,033, and it has been nicknamed as Black Beverly Hills after black musicians and actors have moved into the area.[1]”

    https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/zip-code/california/los_angeles/90008
    “Los Angeles (zip 90008) violent crime is 60.9. (The US average is 22.7)
    Los Angeles (zip 90008) property crime is 65.7. (The US average is 35.4)”

  77. @J.Ross
    @Altai

    That's a really good one; it shows, among other things, the oft-praised LA Koreans losing no time in throwing whites under the bus.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    That is a really long documentary and I’m not gonna watch. Can you explain what you mean?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @AndrewR

    You. Have. The. Time.

  78. The main event to commemorate this very special event in American history, featuring a singer and Stacy Abrams who as I recall does not come cheap was canceled. Per Russia Today this was blamed by the usual suspects on the DHS fantasy, but they reveal that per NBC News the real reason is what you’d expect:

    A cornerstone event of the Tulsa Race Massacre commemoration in Oklahoma was abruptly canceled because lawyers representing survivors and descendants demanded a higher fee for their participation in the event than had been originally agreed upon, a commission official said.

    Previously agreed upon was $100K each for the claimed living survivors and a $2 million seed gift “to a reparations coalition fund.” An interstitial here also hypes the “Black Wall Street” meme, something I’ve never heard of before despite having some familiarity with the area. So the new deal offered was ten to twenty five times the greed, not counting the expenses:

    At the last minute, the lawyers representing the survivors moved to change the agreement, requesting $1 million for each and $50 million for the fund….

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @That Would Be Telling

    In addition to RT, the unsuccessful Tulsa shakedown scam was also reported by that other purveyor of otherwise suppressed information, the Daily Mail Online!

    Replies: @Polistra

  79. @Jack D
    @countenance

    Calling it "Black Wall Street" is hilarious. Greenwood was nothing like the real Wall Street. There was no stock exchange, no investment banks. It was not involved in the functions of raising and deploying capital in large scale enterprises which is what makes capitalism capitalism. It was a modest local commercial strip with drug stores, bakeries, clothing stores and other businesses catering to a local clientele like thousands of other small town commercial strips all across America in the pre-mall era. That blacks think that having even such a modest strip is an achievement akin to having your own Wall Street shows how little they actually understand of capitalism and how utterly incapable they would be of producing wealth if they were put in charge. It's unbelievable that they say this with a straight face and completely without any sense of how far off the mark they are.

    Similarly, here is the "Black Vladimir Ashkenazy" playing a "Black Steinway Grand":

    https://www.melissaanddoug.com/dw/image/v2/BBDH_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-master-catalog/default/dw530838c2/large/001315_2.jpg?sw=562&sh=570&sm=fit

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Rob McX

    That blacks think that having even such a modest strip is an achievement akin to having your own Wall Street shows how little they actually understand of capitalism and how utterly incapable they would be of producing wealth if they were put in charge.

    I’ve only ever heard the locution ‘Black Wall Street’ out of the mouth of a white woke-tard. Are you sure you’ve selected the right target here?

    • LOL: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Google says about 1,640,000,000 hits for "Black Wall Street". As in 1.6 billion with a B. So your woketard friend must be a busy guy.

    BTW, there were around 9,000 people who lived in Greenwood, of whom 26 died (along with 10 whites) so "race massacre" is also an exaggeration. (Cf. Rwanda - 500,000 to 800,000 deaths, US Civil War, 700,000 dead, and so on.)


    The NY Times has painstakingly recreated a 3D model of this lost Xanadu:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/24/us/tulsa-race-massacre.html

    The some of the skyscrapers of Black Wall Street zoomed up to 3 stories high! I wonder whether building this model cost more than most of those buildings were worth?

    The WSJ (the opinion pages have remained conservative but the news pages are getting woker by the minute as they hire young 'uns) mourns the lost inheritances of Tulsa:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-tulsas-black-wall-street-went-up-in-flames-so-did-potential-inheritance-11622293202

    Surely the blacks of Tulsa would have been billionaires by now if Greenwood had not been destroyed by evil racists.

    How much property have blacks destroyed since 1965? Where is the mourning for the white property owners of Newark, Detroit, etc?

    I really can't wait for this national hysteria to be over. It IS an hysteria and it WILL be over, won't it? Please tell me that it will be over someday. Please.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon, @Art Deco, @Polistra, @Paperback Writer

  80. @AndrewR
    @Rob McX

    The extent of "white supremacist violence" during the Floyd riots was some spicy Twitter posts. There is a 99.999% chance that no "white supremacists" will attack Tulsa riot commemorations. There is a 100% chance that the elite Jews want said violence to occur.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon, @anonymouseperson

    There is a 100% chance that the elite Jews want said violence to occur.

    You’re talking like someone whose missed too many doses of thorazine.

    • Troll: Polistra
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    Thorazine? That's a drug used to control certain personality disorders.

    Well, you are certainly in no need of it, as you have no discernible personality.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  81. @guest007
    @Paleo Liberal

    The District of Columbia does not have upper middle class all black neighborhoods. Such neighborhoods are in Prince Georges County Maryland. However, the schools in upper middle class black neighborhoods are still low achiving compared to the upper middle class Asian neighborhoods of Fairfax or Montgomery County.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    Thanks for the correction.

    So DC area rather than DC proper.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Paleo Liberal

    When I lived in Washington, the Crestwood neighborhood and surrounding areas along 16th St. NW were upper middle class black 'hoods. No idea if they still are, and of course few neighborhoods are 100% anything.

    Replies: @guest007

  82. CNN: Homeland Security Says Commemorations of Tulsa Race Massacre Could be Target for White Supremacists

    Translation: Big FBI snitch convention in Tulsa this weekend

  83. @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    There is a 100% chance that the elite Jews want said violence to occur.

    You're talking like someone whose missed too many doses of thorazine.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Thorazine? That’s a drug used to control certain personality disorders.

    Well, you are certainly in no need of it, as you have no discernible personality.

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    No, that's not what it's for.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  84. @AndrewR
    @Rob McX

    The extent of "white supremacist violence" during the Floyd riots was some spicy Twitter posts. There is a 99.999% chance that no "white supremacists" will attack Tulsa riot commemorations. There is a 100% chance that the elite Jews want said violence to occur.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon, @anonymouseperson

    You apparently caused internet poppinjay “Art Deco” to shriek like a parakeet who’s just seen a cat through the window. It’s hard to know what sets them off, isn’t it?

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @anon
    @Mr. Anon

    It’s hard to know what sets them off, isn’t it?

    Observe more closely. It is trivially easy to detect the subjects that trigger Art Deco.

  85. God knows the Media have been working hard enough to have themselves a race riot.

  86. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    That blacks think that having even such a modest strip is an achievement akin to having your own Wall Street shows how little they actually understand of capitalism and how utterly incapable they would be of producing wealth if they were put in charge.

    I've only ever heard the locution 'Black Wall Street' out of the mouth of a white woke-tard. Are you sure you've selected the right target here?

    Replies: @Jack D

    Google says about 1,640,000,000 hits for “Black Wall Street”. As in 1.6 billion with a B. So your woketard friend must be a busy guy.

    BTW, there were around 9,000 people who lived in Greenwood, of whom 26 died (along with 10 whites) so “race massacre” is also an exaggeration. (Cf. Rwanda – 500,000 to 800,000 deaths, US Civil War, 700,000 dead, and so on.)

    The NY Times has painstakingly recreated a 3D model of this lost Xanadu:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/24/us/tulsa-race-massacre.html

    The some of the skyscrapers of Black Wall Street zoomed up to 3 stories high! I wonder whether building this model cost more than most of those buildings were worth?

    The WSJ (the opinion pages have remained conservative but the news pages are getting woker by the minute as they hire young ‘uns) mourns the lost inheritances of Tulsa:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-tulsas-black-wall-street-went-up-in-flames-so-did-potential-inheritance-11622293202

    Surely the blacks of Tulsa would have been billionaires by now if Greenwood had not been destroyed by evil racists.

    How much property have blacks destroyed since 1965? Where is the mourning for the white property owners of Newark, Detroit, etc?

    I really can’t wait for this national hysteria to be over. It IS an hysteria and it WILL be over, won’t it? Please tell me that it will be over someday. Please.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    It's not hysteria.

    Women don't plot on this scale.

    It will need defeating to end.

    , @anon
    @Jack D

    I really can’t wait for this national hysteria to be over. It IS an hysteria and it WILL be over, won’t it?


    "Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one."

    ― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds
     

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Now if you could get back to the question of just who it is that's promoting this.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @kaganovitch

    , @Polistra
    @Jack D


    The WSJ (the opinion pages have remained conservative but the news pages are getting woker by the minute as they hire young ‘uns) mourns the lost inheritances of Tulsa:
     
    The WSJ front page is almost totally knee-jerk this weekend. Not for nothing do the wags in the comments threads there call it the Woke Street Journal..

    How much property have blacks destroyed since 1965? Where is the mourning for the white property owners of Newark, Detroit, etc?
     
    The differences are, of course, that 1) wypipos has it coming and 2) no one knows what you're talking about, or ever will. Almost as if it never happened.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D

    You have to surround "Black Wall Street" in quotation marks. That will cut the hit down to...

    .....

    Nine million.

  87. They don’t know. None of them, bless their hearts. Just blocked that shit right on out of there like a bad dream.

    Human mind is the damndest thing, especially when it’s scared.

    It’s not a narrative. One side plays that game, the other – perhaps foolishly – still somewhat desperately clings to the pursuit of truth, and trusts that Truth will not leave us so doing.

  88. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Google says about 1,640,000,000 hits for "Black Wall Street". As in 1.6 billion with a B. So your woketard friend must be a busy guy.

    BTW, there were around 9,000 people who lived in Greenwood, of whom 26 died (along with 10 whites) so "race massacre" is also an exaggeration. (Cf. Rwanda - 500,000 to 800,000 deaths, US Civil War, 700,000 dead, and so on.)


    The NY Times has painstakingly recreated a 3D model of this lost Xanadu:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/24/us/tulsa-race-massacre.html

    The some of the skyscrapers of Black Wall Street zoomed up to 3 stories high! I wonder whether building this model cost more than most of those buildings were worth?

    The WSJ (the opinion pages have remained conservative but the news pages are getting woker by the minute as they hire young 'uns) mourns the lost inheritances of Tulsa:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-tulsas-black-wall-street-went-up-in-flames-so-did-potential-inheritance-11622293202

    Surely the blacks of Tulsa would have been billionaires by now if Greenwood had not been destroyed by evil racists.

    How much property have blacks destroyed since 1965? Where is the mourning for the white property owners of Newark, Detroit, etc?

    I really can't wait for this national hysteria to be over. It IS an hysteria and it WILL be over, won't it? Please tell me that it will be over someday. Please.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon, @Art Deco, @Polistra, @Paperback Writer

    It’s not hysteria.

    Women don’t plot on this scale.

    It will need defeating to end.

  89. I have often thought that if one was to abolish welfare and food stamps in the US, you would also have to enact a Constitutional Amendment that no federal, state, or local law or ordinance could be enacted that in any way stopped people from earning a living and supporting their family–other than things that were really dangerous, like setting up a gasoline pump in your front yard, or smelly, like setting up a pig farm in your back yard.

    But the PTB in the US would never go for it, because it would challenge the corporate hegemony and give too much power to the people.

    Dude, you don’t know enough about the US to comment. The controls you describe are state and local, not federal. Hence, the Constitution is irrelevant.

    So ‘challenge the corporate hegemony’ is trash talk.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Gamecock


    The controls you describe are state and local
     
    Related:

    https://twitter.com/JordanHedberg/status/1398627466885746691?s=20

    Replies: @res

  90. Looks like Jordan Peterson is back on his drugs again. He should go clean his room for a few years, then find a new grift.

  91. anon[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Google says about 1,640,000,000 hits for "Black Wall Street". As in 1.6 billion with a B. So your woketard friend must be a busy guy.

    BTW, there were around 9,000 people who lived in Greenwood, of whom 26 died (along with 10 whites) so "race massacre" is also an exaggeration. (Cf. Rwanda - 500,000 to 800,000 deaths, US Civil War, 700,000 dead, and so on.)


    The NY Times has painstakingly recreated a 3D model of this lost Xanadu:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/24/us/tulsa-race-massacre.html

    The some of the skyscrapers of Black Wall Street zoomed up to 3 stories high! I wonder whether building this model cost more than most of those buildings were worth?

    The WSJ (the opinion pages have remained conservative but the news pages are getting woker by the minute as they hire young 'uns) mourns the lost inheritances of Tulsa:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-tulsas-black-wall-street-went-up-in-flames-so-did-potential-inheritance-11622293202

    Surely the blacks of Tulsa would have been billionaires by now if Greenwood had not been destroyed by evil racists.

    How much property have blacks destroyed since 1965? Where is the mourning for the white property owners of Newark, Detroit, etc?

    I really can't wait for this national hysteria to be over. It IS an hysteria and it WILL be over, won't it? Please tell me that it will be over someday. Please.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon, @Art Deco, @Polistra, @Paperback Writer

    I really can’t wait for this national hysteria to be over. It IS an hysteria and it WILL be over, won’t it?

    “Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”

    ― Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

  92. @Paleo Liberal
    I wish I had a link—

    I read an interesting article that chronicled the demise of the black business district in Tulsa.

    After the Tulsa Race Riot the Black Wall Street area was rebuilt. Of course some unfortunate people list their lives or businesses, but others opened. By 1925 it was booming.

    The next big blow was Urban Renewal. In the 1950s a highway was built in the middle of the neighborhood and the poor folks were sent off to live in the north side of Tulsa.

    Black owned businesses thrived until the 1960s or 1970s. With integration the black owned businesses fell apart. As others have pointed out, this was an era when small white owned businesses were dropping like flies as well.

    These days the Talented Tenth generally no longer live in black neighborhoods and generally don’t patronize black owned businesses. There are exceptions. DC is famous for middle and even upper middle class black neighborhoods.

    Replies: @guest007, @ic1000, @Chris Renner

  93. @Gamecock

    I have often thought that if one was to abolish welfare and food stamps in the US, you would also have to enact a Constitutional Amendment that no federal, state, or local law or ordinance could be enacted that in any way stopped people from earning a living and supporting their family–other than things that were really dangerous, like setting up a gasoline pump in your front yard, or smelly, like setting up a pig farm in your back yard.

    But the PTB in the US would never go for it, because it would challenge the corporate hegemony and give too much power to the people.
     
    Dude, you don't know enough about the US to comment. The controls you describe are state and local, not federal. Hence, the Constitution is irrelevant.

    So 'challenge the corporate hegemony' is trash talk.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The controls you describe are state and local

    Related:

    • Replies: @res
    @Desiderius

    The overall point sounds valid, but isn't that math kind of funky?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  94. vhrm says:
    @El Dato
    Is there an editor nearby?

    Sometimes the odious beat seems to stop, offering what feels like a respite — for those lucky enough to survive the last cycle.
     
    For blacks it's always this:

    https://i.postimg.cc/6pLV1z2h/recently-in-a-nearby-stadium.png

    Replies: @vhrm

    If you mean “a white person afflicting blacks” then ok.

    Otherwise, describing a comparison between black-white relations in the US and what specifically Euphemia li Britannia is doing there, why, and in what context would be easily a term paper and maybe a thesis. Ok, at least a lengthy blog post.

  95. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    Thorazine? That's a drug used to control certain personality disorders.

    Well, you are certainly in no need of it, as you have no discernible personality.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    No, that’s not what it’s for.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    No, that’s not what it’s for.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0DGjXE_BQQ

    Wrong answer, twit:

    https://hhs.texas.gov/sites/default/files/documents/doing-business-with-hhs/provider-portal/facilities-regulation/psychiatric/criteria/antipsychotics-typical-criteria.pdf

    ANTIPSYCHOTIC Schlorpromazine (Thorazine®), fluphenazine (Prolixin®), haloperidol (Haldol®), loxapine (Loxitane®), perphenazine (Trilafon®), thiothixene (Navane®), trifluoperazine (Stelazine®)

    INDICATIONS

    3) Personality disorders – schizotypal, paranoid and borderline
     

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  96. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Google says about 1,640,000,000 hits for "Black Wall Street". As in 1.6 billion with a B. So your woketard friend must be a busy guy.

    BTW, there were around 9,000 people who lived in Greenwood, of whom 26 died (along with 10 whites) so "race massacre" is also an exaggeration. (Cf. Rwanda - 500,000 to 800,000 deaths, US Civil War, 700,000 dead, and so on.)


    The NY Times has painstakingly recreated a 3D model of this lost Xanadu:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/24/us/tulsa-race-massacre.html

    The some of the skyscrapers of Black Wall Street zoomed up to 3 stories high! I wonder whether building this model cost more than most of those buildings were worth?

    The WSJ (the opinion pages have remained conservative but the news pages are getting woker by the minute as they hire young 'uns) mourns the lost inheritances of Tulsa:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-tulsas-black-wall-street-went-up-in-flames-so-did-potential-inheritance-11622293202

    Surely the blacks of Tulsa would have been billionaires by now if Greenwood had not been destroyed by evil racists.

    How much property have blacks destroyed since 1965? Where is the mourning for the white property owners of Newark, Detroit, etc?

    I really can't wait for this national hysteria to be over. It IS an hysteria and it WILL be over, won't it? Please tell me that it will be over someday. Please.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon, @Art Deco, @Polistra, @Paperback Writer

    Now if you could get back to the question of just who it is that’s promoting this.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Art Deco

    Peter Lorre's final line as "Mr Moto."

    , @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    Now if you could get back to the question of just who it is that’s promoting this.

    I don't know who is promoting this , but "Black Wall Street" appears in almost all the national media stories on the subject.

  97. @Jonathan Mason
    @Buffalo Joe


    The black drug store owner got a job at the super market pharmacy. The auto repair shop was replaced by a guy working in an oil stained driveway. The funeral homes stayed.
     
    Same kind of thing happened to white people in England in my lifetime.

    I remember the village grocer, called Mr. Wood, who used to cut off and weigh chunks of butter from a big wheel, place it on the scale on a piece of greaseproof paper, and say things like "it's half an ounce over, is that OK?" before moving on to slice off some bacon on a machine where the flywheel was cranked by hand.

    Then the first supermarket opened in the market town 9 miles away, and within a year Mr. Wood had taken a job as a National Health Service administrator. I am sure he was thrifty with the taxpayers money, and still had enough years left to earn a decent pension.

    His grocery is now a liquor store.

    <
    https://loveincstatic.blob.core.windows.net/loveexploring/N%20Yorkshire%20guide/shutterstock_1330366694_Grassington.jpg

    We are all like the animals in Animal Farm, dimly remembering a time in the past when it seemed like things were different, but brainwashed by official media propaganda.

    Replies: @martin_2, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    What do you mean “liquor store”. I thought we called them Off Licences!

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @martin_2

    What do you mean “liquor store”. I thought we called them Off Licences!

    In Ecuador though, they call them Liquor stores. Sigh, just another case of John Bull going native.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  98. @Jonathan Mason
    @Buffalo Joe


    The black drug store owner got a job at the super market pharmacy. The auto repair shop was replaced by a guy working in an oil stained driveway. The funeral homes stayed.
     
    Same kind of thing happened to white people in England in my lifetime.

    I remember the village grocer, called Mr. Wood, who used to cut off and weigh chunks of butter from a big wheel, place it on the scale on a piece of greaseproof paper, and say things like "it's half an ounce over, is that OK?" before moving on to slice off some bacon on a machine where the flywheel was cranked by hand.

    Then the first supermarket opened in the market town 9 miles away, and within a year Mr. Wood had taken a job as a National Health Service administrator. I am sure he was thrifty with the taxpayers money, and still had enough years left to earn a decent pension.

    His grocery is now a liquor store.

    <
    https://loveincstatic.blob.core.windows.net/loveexploring/N%20Yorkshire%20guide/shutterstock_1330366694_Grassington.jpg

    We are all like the animals in Animal Farm, dimly remembering a time in the past when it seemed like things were different, but brainwashed by official media propaganda.

    Replies: @martin_2, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Thanks for the pic: Grassington is beautiful. Google Street View tour of the area is worth some clicks. Do you ever get homesick?

    https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0718316,-1.9978574,3a,57.5y,333.65h,89.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spuTlhj9G2E5ZufyHhMMXkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    LoIt can be beautiful on a Summer's Day, but a lot of the time it is cold and gray and dull.

    It is now much more gentrified and quaintified than it was 60 years ago. The buildings are still there and very recognizable, but the people I knew are gone, mostly to their graves.

    I grew up there as a child so I have mixed feelings about the place as it is in my blood.

    Many of my contemporaries there died young due to drinking too much and driving too fast on icy winter roads.

    My mother is buried in the church yard there. I am very unlikely to ever return. I miss the scenery more than I miss the people. The last time I was there was 20 years ago, and even at that time I saw what had been hot, sexy young women a few years older than me who were now decrepit old crones, and boys who were nasty bullies who were now feeble little old men.

    See George Orwell's novel Coming Up For Air on the same subject.

    The building at the back right with the bow windows in the Google view belonged to my parents, but was sold when they divorced.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  99. anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Also, it didn’t help that blacks started rioting and looting and burning down their own business districts in the 1960s.
     
    MLK Chicago mayhem circa 1968.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWGFAA6lCiA

    Replies: @anonymous, @anonymous, @europeasant

    The National Bureau of Economic Research published two papers demonstrating the negative effects of the 1960’s riots on African-American income, employment, and property values, using comparisons with similar cities unaffected by riots.

    How the 1960s’ Riots Hurt African-Americans

    “The riots had economically significant negative effects on blacks’ income and employment. Further, those effects may have been larger in the long run – from 1960 to 1980 – than in the short run – from 1960 to 1970.”

    “The riots significantly depressed the median value of black-owned property between 1960 and 1970, with little or no rebound in the 1970s.”

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w10493

  100. Anonymous[231] • Disclaimer says:

    Remember that episode of MASH that featured Captain Tuttle?

    It’s a perfect metaphor for how the fake media invents reality..

  101. Desiderius, it’s worse than you think.

    Not only are there the operating costs to school the childrens, there is the capital cost.

    My county has instituted an $18,000 fee on new houses, to cover the capital cost of building schools for the new kiddies.

  102. @Mr. Anon
    @AndrewR

    You apparently caused internet poppinjay "Art Deco" to shriek like a parakeet who's just seen a cat through the window. It's hard to know what sets them off, isn't it?

    Replies: @anon

    It’s hard to know what sets them off, isn’t it?

    Observe more closely. It is trivially easy to detect the subjects that trigger Art Deco.

  103. @Rob McX
    There have been hundreds of actual riots over the past year and "white supremacists" did nothing, so what are the chances they'll cause any trouble at the mere marking of the anniversary of a riot a century ago?

    Replies: @Lurker

    Last year mouth breathing leftists told me that 2020’s rioting was done by white supremacists false flagging innocent leftists/PoC. At they same time they informed me that if Trump hade shown up in [insert location] then leftists/PoC would be out on the streets rioting.

    I need hardly point out the inconsistencies inherent in such a narrative.

  104. @That Would Be Telling
    The main event to commemorate this very special event in American history, featuring a singer and Stacy Abrams who as I recall does not come cheap was canceled. Per Russia Today this was blamed by the usual suspects on the DHS fantasy, but they reveal that per NBC News the real reason is what you'd expect:

    A cornerstone event of the Tulsa Race Massacre commemoration in Oklahoma was abruptly canceled because lawyers representing survivors and descendants demanded a higher fee for their participation in the event than had been originally agreed upon, a commission official said.
     
    Previously agreed upon was $100K each for the claimed living survivors and a $2 million seed gift "to a reparations coalition fund." An interstitial here also hypes the "Black Wall Street" meme, something I've never heard of before despite having some familiarity with the area. So the new deal offered was ten to twenty five times the greed, not counting the expenses:

    At the last minute, the lawyers representing the survivors moved to change the agreement, requesting $1 million for each and $50 million for the fund....
     

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    In addition to RT, the unsuccessful Tulsa shakedown scam was also reported by that other purveyor of otherwise suppressed information, the Daily Mail Online!

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Dan Hayes

    Without those two, and a few outlets such as this one, we'd be hard pressed to know what's actually going on in our own country. Our MSM works double-time to prevent the masses from straying off-narrative.

    Do you remember when we were school kids, how we were taught about the contortions people in the USSR would have to undertake in order to get the real news?

    How long before Jeff Bezos or someone similar buys the Daily Mail and converts it to a new "improved" version?

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  105. @Batman
    It is truly an incredible coincidence that the Tulsa Race a Riots didn't become a thing until a couple of years ago after all witnesses had died.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    It is truly an incredible coincidence that the Tulsa Race a Riots didn’t become a thing until a couple of years ago after all witnesses had died.

    Excellent point. Just like the deathbed confession of the womzn Emmet Till harassed saying he really dindu nuffin which the white shitlib somehow forgot to record.

    It’s strange how most of the coincidences go a certain way…

    2) Is there a more worthless Federal agency than DHS?

    3) I’d bet dollars to donuts that if you asked 100 blacks about the “Tulsa Massacre”, not one of them would know what you are talking about.

    • Replies: @Batman
    @Jim Don Bob

    Last time I checked, Carolyn Bryant is still alive. She has a very strong incentive to not correct the record, though. If she came out and said that Emmitt Till did lay hands on her and made her fear she was about to be gang raped by the half dozen black teenagers, she'd immediately have a BLM rapid response force on her doorstep to make her pay for her crimes.

    , @dindunuffins
    @Jim Don Bob

    Yes just like the coincidence of Hidden Figures comes out AFTER John Glenn passes away.

  106. Man that last line hit like a ton of bricks.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Desiderius

    Seasoned Cli ...
    Are we there? Are we at the featherpoint of the mainstreaming of It? Are Eva and Miki the new flesh? Is this --
    Seasonal Clickfarm Worker and the rest of the post is about "wholesomeness"
    Never mind.

  107. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    That is a really long documentary and I'm not gonna watch. Can you explain what you mean?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    You. Have. The. Time.

  108. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/ClickingSeason/status/1398675450768003077?s=20

    Man that last line hit like a ton of bricks.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Seasoned Cli …
    Are we there? Are we at the featherpoint of the mainstreaming of It? Are Eva and Miki the new flesh? Is this —
    Seasonal Clickfarm Worker and the rest of the post is about “wholesomeness”
    Never mind.

  109. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Now if you could get back to the question of just who it is that's promoting this.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @kaganovitch

    Peter Lorre’s final line as “Mr Moto.”

  110. @eded
    "The dull beat of anti-Blackness is always humming in the background, commanding us round and round in familiar cycles of protest, resistance, organizing and documenting our trauma."

    The use of the term "anti-Blackness" is an interesting rhetorical trick. In the past it was all about "The Legacy of Slavery": now writers and activists increasingly use the term "anti-Blackness". Moving the rhetorical goal posts like this allows Blacks, such as Ms. Attiah, who are not descendants of American slaves to claim victim status.

    I've noticed the term "anti-Blackness" recently widely used amongst Canadian activists in part I believe because the vast majority of Black-Canadians are not the descendants of Canadian slaves. In fact the vast majority are voluntary immigrants or their children. Therefore appeals to "Legacy of Slavery" would have little traction.

    Replies: @Charlotte, @anonymouseperson

    I predict we’ll soon begin to see Blackness envisioned as a quasi spiritual thing, not requiring actual African ancestry, or even dark skin. Surely aspiring race grifters from other lands (like India) must be getting a bit tired of the attention and dollars received by America’s number one minority.

  111. @Polistra
    If only American blacks had any self-awareness, they would object to all the immigrant grifters presuming to speak for them.

    Separately: someone here (I think Syon?) pointed out an inconvenient truth about the Tulsa riots--the first night's toll was mostly whites being killed. Then the whites turned that around.

    We had one kind of white people back then, another kind now.

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Mr. Grey, @znon

    Somewhere whites lost their confidence.

  112. @eded
    "The dull beat of anti-Blackness is always humming in the background, commanding us round and round in familiar cycles of protest, resistance, organizing and documenting our trauma."

    The use of the term "anti-Blackness" is an interesting rhetorical trick. In the past it was all about "The Legacy of Slavery": now writers and activists increasingly use the term "anti-Blackness". Moving the rhetorical goal posts like this allows Blacks, such as Ms. Attiah, who are not descendants of American slaves to claim victim status.

    I've noticed the term "anti-Blackness" recently widely used amongst Canadian activists in part I believe because the vast majority of Black-Canadians are not the descendants of Canadian slaves. In fact the vast majority are voluntary immigrants or their children. Therefore appeals to "Legacy of Slavery" would have little traction.

    Replies: @Charlotte, @anonymouseperson

    Only about 2% of the current black population in Canada today can trace their roots here back even to the early 1960’s. Both of my parents (born in 1928 & 1932) were close to thirty before they ever even saw a black in Canada. That is how non-existent blacks were in this country although our politically correct propaganda would make you think Canada had always been a mostly black country.

  113. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    No, that's not what it's for.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    No, that’s not what it’s for.

    Wrong answer, twit:

    https://hhs.texas.gov/sites/default/files/documents/doing-business-with-hhs/provider-portal/facilities-regulation/psychiatric/criteria/antipsychotics-typical-criteria.pdf

    ANTIPSYCHOTIC Schlorpromazine (Thorazine®), fluphenazine (Prolixin®), haloperidol (Haldol®), loxapine (Loxitane®), perphenazine (Trilafon®), thiothixene (Navane®), trifluoperazine (Stelazine®)

    INDICATIONS

    3) Personality disorders – schizotypal, paranoid and borderline

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Mr. Anon

    Oh, no comeback, eh, Mr. Librarian?

  114. @AndrewR
    @Rob McX

    The extent of "white supremacist violence" during the Floyd riots was some spicy Twitter posts. There is a 99.999% chance that no "white supremacists" will attack Tulsa riot commemorations. There is a 100% chance that the elite Jews want said violence to occur.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon, @anonymouseperson

    Playing both sides against each other is an old trick. The Romans had it down pat.

  115. @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The only post-1960 lumpenproletarian types I can see as kindred to people running their own businesses in 1948 would be drug dealers.


    Alternative hypothesis:

    Women collecting AFDC in 1978 were women who would have had ordinary wage employment in 1948 or been married to men with ordinary wage employment. With the replacement of AFDC by TANF with its time limits and other mandates, most of those women went back to ordinary wage employment. With the large run-up of the prison and jail census, the men found street crime less profitable and also defected to ordinary wage employment. The AFDC caseload and the career criminal population in this model were drawn from the ranks of people who would in some other scenario be janitors, stockers, dishwashers, parking lot attendants, &c, not the owner of Clarissa Street Insurance.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @John Up North

    The only viable businesses in black neighborhoods are usually liquor stores which are almost always owned and run by immigrants.

    • Replies: @John Up North
    @John Up North

    In Chicago, probably in other cities too, there was a strange phenomenon where long after a neighborhood turned black the local white owned tavern would still be owned and run by the same white guy, even though the bar's patrons were entirely black. I don't believe this would be possible now, but who knows.

  116. @ic1000
    @Paleo Liberal

    Tulsa was the 97th largest city in the U.S. in 1920. Here is the 90 to 100 rankings.

    90 (pop. 76,754 in 1920 / 64,897 in 2020) Bayonne, New Jersey
    91 (76,121 / 110,417) Peoria, Illinois
    92 (75,917 / 49,271) Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
    93 (74,683 / 1,423,851) San Diego, California
    94 (73,833 / 40,766) Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania
    95 (73,502 / 121,442) Allentown, Pennsylvania
    96 (72,217 / 389,938) Wichita, Kansas
    97 (72,075 / 401,190) Tulsa, Oklahoma
    98 (71,996 / 49,154) Troy, New York
    99 (71,227 / 82,651) Sioux City, Iowa
    100 (70,983 / 102,026) South Bend, Indiana

    So four of these cities have shrunk in the past century. Their downtown businesses of 100 years ago are unlikely to have generally thrived.

    Four have grown modestly. Two -- Tulsa and Wichita -- have expanded about five-fold in population. And San Diego has become the 8th-largest U.S. city.

    So at first glace, Wichita looks good for an apples-to-apples matchup with Tulsa. BestPlaces' snapshots paint the cities as roughly comparable. Tulsa is 14.9% black, Wichita is 10.9% black.

    In the absence of the Wichita Race Riot of 1921, does it have a noticeably prosperous Black Wall Street? Can any commenters who know both cities speak to this comparison? (The best written account I could find was on Google Books, African Americans of Wichita (2015) -- not very informative.)

    Replies: @Charlotte

    I have a passing familiarity with Wichita-no Black Wall Street that I know of. It’s considered a good idea to stay well away from the black areas of town due to the high crime rate. Lots of drugs, gangs, and violence.

    • Thanks: ic1000
  117. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Now if you could get back to the question of just who it is that's promoting this.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @kaganovitch

    Now if you could get back to the question of just who it is that’s promoting this.

    I don’t know who is promoting this , but “Black Wall Street” appears in almost all the national media stories on the subject.

  118. @martin_2
    @Jonathan Mason

    What do you mean "liquor store". I thought we called them Off Licences!

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    What do you mean “liquor store”. I thought we called them Off Licences!

    In Ecuador though, they call them Liquor stores. Sigh, just another case of John Bull going native.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @kaganovitch

    In Ireland I found "Off License" to be deceptive/camouflaged advertising!

  119. @ben tillman

    This week marked the one-year anniversary of George Floyd’s murder by White police officer Derek Chauvin in Minneapolis. Next week marks the 100-year anniversary of the Tulsa Race Massacre.
     
    You'd hope that at some point in all those years of schooling someone would tell her that "year" is included in "anniversary".

    Replies: @Sick 'n Tired

    Like when I see an event billed as the “First Annual XXX”, which is it?

  120. @John Up North
    @Art Deco

    The only viable businesses in black neighborhoods are usually liquor stores which are almost always owned and run by immigrants.

    Replies: @John Up North

    In Chicago, probably in other cities too, there was a strange phenomenon where long after a neighborhood turned black the local white owned tavern would still be owned and run by the same white guy, even though the bar’s patrons were entirely black. I don’t believe this would be possible now, but who knows.

  121. I believe the last true race riot in Chicago occurred in 1919. I believe it started with a black – white brawl at a Southside beach. White’s took and inflicted casualties during the riot. Hard to believe that Chicago was once a majority white city as recently as 1970.

  122. @Gamecock

    the payment of reparations would “represent America’s maturation out of the childhood myth of its innocence into a wisdom worthy of its founders.
     
    Which payment? The first? The twelfth?

    They'll spend the first quickly, then cry for more. We seem to solve the race problem (sic) once or twice every generation.

    They assert that they are absolutely dependent on whites.

    "We aren't succeeding because you aren't giving us enough."

    Black' demands are classic communism. And will fail for the same reason. If you kill all the whites and take their stuff, you destroy the wealth generators. Once you spent it, its gone. There will be no more. They will all be dead within a month. From starvation. No electricity. No water.

    It is decadence. Communists, kept alive by capitalists, demand the end of capitalism.



    Another thing, after seeing the way the Feds passed out Covid Cash, reparations checks will blanket the globe.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    We seem to solve the race problem (sic) once or twice every generation.

    Think of whites as Sisyphus and blacks as the rock they have to keep pushing up that hill.

  123. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jonathan Mason

    Thanks for the pic: Grassington is beautiful. Google Street View tour of the area is worth some clicks. Do you ever get homesick?

    https://www.google.com/maps/@54.0718316,-1.9978574,3a,57.5y,333.65h,89.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spuTlhj9G2E5ZufyHhMMXkA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    LoIt can be beautiful on a Summer’s Day, but a lot of the time it is cold and gray and dull.

    It is now much more gentrified and quaintified than it was 60 years ago. The buildings are still there and very recognizable, but the people I knew are gone, mostly to their graves.

    I grew up there as a child so I have mixed feelings about the place as it is in my blood.

    Many of my contemporaries there died young due to drinking too much and driving too fast on icy winter roads.

    My mother is buried in the church yard there. I am very unlikely to ever return. I miss the scenery more than I miss the people. The last time I was there was 20 years ago, and even at that time I saw what had been hot, sexy young women a few years older than me who were now decrepit old crones, and boys who were nasty bullies who were now feeble little old men.

    See George Orwell’s novel Coming Up For Air on the same subject.

    The building at the back right with the bow windows in the Google view belonged to my parents, but was sold when they divorced.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jonathan Mason


    I grew up there as a child so I have mixed feelings about the place as it is in my blood.
     

    See George Orwell’s novel Coming Up For Air on the same subject.
     
    Thank you Jonathan; apropos reference. Greatly appreciate the overall detailed candid comment. I like to know how places and their people change. Looking back, some people may be burdened by regret. For others, nostalgia weighs heavier.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/laXY5e5JaV0/maxresdefault.jpg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2HhP97ETXc
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jonathan Mason


    I am very unlikely to ever return.
     
    https://youtu.be/SneuvKIkM3A?t=146
  124. @Jack D
    @countenance

    Calling it "Black Wall Street" is hilarious. Greenwood was nothing like the real Wall Street. There was no stock exchange, no investment banks. It was not involved in the functions of raising and deploying capital in large scale enterprises which is what makes capitalism capitalism. It was a modest local commercial strip with drug stores, bakeries, clothing stores and other businesses catering to a local clientele like thousands of other small town commercial strips all across America in the pre-mall era. That blacks think that having even such a modest strip is an achievement akin to having your own Wall Street shows how little they actually understand of capitalism and how utterly incapable they would be of producing wealth if they were put in charge. It's unbelievable that they say this with a straight face and completely without any sense of how far off the mark they are.

    Similarly, here is the "Black Vladimir Ashkenazy" playing a "Black Steinway Grand":

    https://www.melissaanddoug.com/dw/image/v2/BBDH_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-master-catalog/default/dw530838c2/large/001315_2.jpg?sw=562&sh=570&sm=fit

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Rob McX

    Strange how they have to inflate everything. The nearest thing you’ll ever see to a black Gordon Gekko is a swaggering, bling-encrusted millionaire rapper.

  125. @Desiderius
    @Gamecock


    The controls you describe are state and local
     
    Related:

    https://twitter.com/JordanHedberg/status/1398627466885746691?s=20

    Replies: @res

    The overall point sounds valid, but isn’t that math kind of funky?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @res

    Maybe he’s a tax attorney.

  126. anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Also, it didn’t help that blacks started rioting and looting and burning down their own business districts in the 1960s.
     
    MLK Chicago mayhem circa 1968.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWGFAA6lCiA

    Replies: @anonymous, @anonymous, @europeasant

    Steve’s wife was a little girl living in or very near to the west-side Chicago neighborhood shown in that video. After those 68′ MLK riots her father sold their house at a loss and moved the family to a farmhouse with no running water on the outskirts of the suburbs.

  127. In Tulsa 100 years ago, a black mob started a race riot and a white mob ended it.

    Yep.

    The Tulsa Riot was caused by armed Blacks who marched to the courthouse in an attempt to protect a Black man who was accused of assaulting a White woman:

    In Greenwood, rumors began to fly—in particular, a report that whites were storming the courthouse. Shortly after 10 pm, a second, larger group of approximately 75 armed black men decided to go to the courthouse. They offered their support to the sheriff, who declined their help. According to witnesses, a white man is alleged to have told one of the armed black men to surrender his pistol. The man refused, and a shot was fired. That first shot may have been accidental, or meant as a warning; it was a catalyst for an exchange of gunfire.[15]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#Stand-off_at_the_courthouse

    If the armed Blacks had not intervened, there likely would have been no riot. And Blacks did most of the killing on the first day of the riot:

    Day one death toll:

    Whites: 10

    Blacks: 2

    The stories about aeroplanes firebombing black-owned properties is utter crap. What person in his right mind would fill a Curtiss JN-4 Jenny (a highly combustible aircraft) with turpentine-soaked rag balls, which would have to be lit by hand before being dropped ?And WWI-era pilots were well-known for their fear of fire. Even this overly credulous aviation site seems to have trouble with that scenario:

    In the hour or so that followed, each plane let loose their loads of these fire bombs from low altitude, setting them alight just before they were dropped. This was a dangerous thing to attempt from inside the cockpit of a wood, wire and fabric biplane, yet they were successful.

    http://fly.historicwings.com/2017/02/the-bombing-of-tulsa/

    And the high numbers of deaths that you see people tossing around (100 to 300) are just pulled out of thin air. The official tally from The Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 is 39 deaths(counting a stillborn infant), 26 Blacks and 13 Whites, which is quite a distance from the mass slaughter of legend:

    https://www.okhistory.org/research/forms/freport.pdf

    • Thanks: Polistra, Charon
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @syonredux


    The stories about aeroplanes firebombing black-owned properties is utter crap.
     
    Perhaps they're confusing Tulsa with Philadelphia and Mayor Wilson Goode:


    The day Philadelphia bombed its own people

    The official tally from The Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 is 39 deaths(counting a stillborn infant)
     
    We are lucky more little children weren't involved. Or Paul Aurandt and Aryeh Leonard Rosenberg might not have grown up to be Paul Harvey and Tony Randall.

    And that's the rest of the story. Stand by for neewwws...

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @res
    @syonredux


    Day one death toll:

    Whites: 10

    Blacks: 2
     
    Thanks for the numbers (do you have a source?). The report I read described that as both blacks and whites died.

    One question, should we expect killed/wounded ratios by race here to resemble Sailer's law of mass shootings style numbers?

    Where in that report do you see those (13/26/39) death statistics? On pp. 123-124 I see an official estimate of 36 (ten whites and 26 blacks) quoted along with speculative higher numbers.

    Replies: @syonredux

  128. @Dan Hayes
    @That Would Be Telling

    In addition to RT, the unsuccessful Tulsa shakedown scam was also reported by that other purveyor of otherwise suppressed information, the Daily Mail Online!

    Replies: @Polistra

    Without those two, and a few outlets such as this one, we’d be hard pressed to know what’s actually going on in our own country. Our MSM works double-time to prevent the masses from straying off-narrative.

    Do you remember when we were school kids, how we were taught about the contortions people in the USSR would have to undertake in order to get the real news?

    How long before Jeff Bezos or someone similar buys the Daily Mail and converts it to a new “improved” version?

    • Agree: sayless, Charon, Charlotte
    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Polistra

    Bezos gobbling up the Daily Mail is a frightening thought, but on reflection it or something akin might very well happen!

  129. Black wall street & these black business areas ended with the end of segregation, not due to affirmative action. “Black wall street” continued for decades after the riots & was only brought to an end with the implementation of forced desegregation.

  130. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    LoIt can be beautiful on a Summer's Day, but a lot of the time it is cold and gray and dull.

    It is now much more gentrified and quaintified than it was 60 years ago. The buildings are still there and very recognizable, but the people I knew are gone, mostly to their graves.

    I grew up there as a child so I have mixed feelings about the place as it is in my blood.

    Many of my contemporaries there died young due to drinking too much and driving too fast on icy winter roads.

    My mother is buried in the church yard there. I am very unlikely to ever return. I miss the scenery more than I miss the people. The last time I was there was 20 years ago, and even at that time I saw what had been hot, sexy young women a few years older than me who were now decrepit old crones, and boys who were nasty bullies who were now feeble little old men.

    See George Orwell's novel Coming Up For Air on the same subject.

    The building at the back right with the bow windows in the Google view belonged to my parents, but was sold when they divorced.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I grew up there as a child so I have mixed feelings about the place as it is in my blood.

    See George Orwell’s novel Coming Up For Air on the same subject.

    Thank you Jonathan; apropos reference. Greatly appreciate the overall detailed candid comment. I like to know how places and their people change. Looking back, some people may be burdened by regret. For others, nostalgia weighs heavier.

  131. @Paleo Liberal
    @guest007

    Thanks for the correction.

    So DC area rather than DC proper.

    Replies: @Polistra

    When I lived in Washington, the Crestwood neighborhood and surrounding areas along 16th St. NW were upper middle class black ‘hoods. No idea if they still are, and of course few neighborhoods are 100% anything.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Polistra

    lieve that was the neighborhood where mayor Fenty lived until he left town. Of course his children attended school in a different, whiter neighborhooddddd

  132. @syonredux

    In Tulsa 100 years ago, a black mob started a race riot and a white mob ended it.
     
    Yep.

    The Tulsa Riot was caused by armed Blacks who marched to the courthouse in an attempt to protect a Black man who was accused of assaulting a White woman:

    In Greenwood, rumors began to fly—in particular, a report that whites were storming the courthouse. Shortly after 10 pm, a second, larger group of approximately 75 armed black men decided to go to the courthouse. They offered their support to the sheriff, who declined their help. According to witnesses, a white man is alleged to have told one of the armed black men to surrender his pistol. The man refused, and a shot was fired. That first shot may have been accidental, or meant as a warning; it was a catalyst for an exchange of gunfire.[15]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#Stand-off_at_the_courthouse




    If the armed Blacks had not intervened, there likely would have been no riot. And Blacks did most of the killing on the first day of the riot:

    Day one death toll:

    Whites: 10

    Blacks: 2

    The stories about aeroplanes firebombing black-owned properties is utter crap. What person in his right mind would fill a Curtiss JN-4 Jenny (a highly combustible aircraft) with turpentine-soaked rag balls, which would have to be lit by hand before being dropped ?And WWI-era pilots were well-known for their fear of fire. Even this overly credulous aviation site seems to have trouble with that scenario:

    In the hour or so that followed, each plane let loose their loads of these fire bombs from low altitude, setting them alight just before they were dropped. This was a dangerous thing to attempt from inside the cockpit of a wood, wire and fabric biplane, yet they were successful.
     
    http://fly.historicwings.com/2017/02/the-bombing-of-tulsa/


    And the high numbers of deaths that you see people tossing around (100 to 300) are just pulled out of thin air. The official tally from The Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 is 39 deaths(counting a stillborn infant), 26 Blacks and 13 Whites, which is quite a distance from the mass slaughter of legend:

    https://www.okhistory.org/research/forms/freport.pdf

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @res

    The stories about aeroplanes firebombing black-owned properties is utter crap.

    Perhaps they’re confusing Tulsa with Philadelphia and Mayor Wilson Goode:

    The day Philadelphia bombed its own people

    The official tally from The Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 is 39 deaths(counting a stillborn infant)

    We are lucky more little children weren’t involved. Or Paul Aurandt and Aryeh Leonard Rosenberg might not have grown up to be Paul Harvey and Tony Randall.

    And that’s the rest of the story. Stand by for neewwws…

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Reg Cæsar

    RE: Tony Randall and Oklahoma,


    There’s an old Hollywood story about Tony Randall auditioning for the part of a Texas cowboy named Doc Long in a revival of the I Love a Mystery radio show. Randall was from Oklahoma, and he assured the casting director that he could revive his old accent. Unfortunately, Randall had worked really, really hard at eradicating every trace of Tulsa twang from his voice. After several minutes of flailing about, Randall apologized. He just couldn’t do it. The director assured him that he had actually won a part, just not Doc Long. He was perfect for the part of Reggie York, an Englishman.

    Replies: @Dissident

  133. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Google says about 1,640,000,000 hits for "Black Wall Street". As in 1.6 billion with a B. So your woketard friend must be a busy guy.

    BTW, there were around 9,000 people who lived in Greenwood, of whom 26 died (along with 10 whites) so "race massacre" is also an exaggeration. (Cf. Rwanda - 500,000 to 800,000 deaths, US Civil War, 700,000 dead, and so on.)


    The NY Times has painstakingly recreated a 3D model of this lost Xanadu:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/24/us/tulsa-race-massacre.html

    The some of the skyscrapers of Black Wall Street zoomed up to 3 stories high! I wonder whether building this model cost more than most of those buildings were worth?

    The WSJ (the opinion pages have remained conservative but the news pages are getting woker by the minute as they hire young 'uns) mourns the lost inheritances of Tulsa:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-tulsas-black-wall-street-went-up-in-flames-so-did-potential-inheritance-11622293202

    Surely the blacks of Tulsa would have been billionaires by now if Greenwood had not been destroyed by evil racists.

    How much property have blacks destroyed since 1965? Where is the mourning for the white property owners of Newark, Detroit, etc?

    I really can't wait for this national hysteria to be over. It IS an hysteria and it WILL be over, won't it? Please tell me that it will be over someday. Please.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon, @Art Deco, @Polistra, @Paperback Writer

    The WSJ (the opinion pages have remained conservative but the news pages are getting woker by the minute as they hire young ‘uns) mourns the lost inheritances of Tulsa:

    The WSJ front page is almost totally knee-jerk this weekend. Not for nothing do the wags in the comments threads there call it the Woke Street Journal..

    How much property have blacks destroyed since 1965? Where is the mourning for the white property owners of Newark, Detroit, etc?

    The differences are, of course, that 1) wypipos has it coming and 2) no one knows what you’re talking about, or ever will. Almost as if it never happened.

  134. @Reg Cæsar
    @syonredux


    The stories about aeroplanes firebombing black-owned properties is utter crap.
     
    Perhaps they're confusing Tulsa with Philadelphia and Mayor Wilson Goode:


    The day Philadelphia bombed its own people

    The official tally from The Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 is 39 deaths(counting a stillborn infant)
     
    We are lucky more little children weren't involved. Or Paul Aurandt and Aryeh Leonard Rosenberg might not have grown up to be Paul Harvey and Tony Randall.

    And that's the rest of the story. Stand by for neewwws...

    Replies: @syonredux

    RE: Tony Randall and Oklahoma,

    There’s an old Hollywood story about Tony Randall auditioning for the part of a Texas cowboy named Doc Long in a revival of the I Love a Mystery radio show. Randall was from Oklahoma, and he assured the casting director that he could revive his old accent. Unfortunately, Randall had worked really, really hard at eradicating every trace of Tulsa twang from his voice. After several minutes of flailing about, Randall apologized. He just couldn’t do it. The director assured him that he had actually won a part, just not Doc Long. He was perfect for the part of Reggie York, an Englishman.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @syonredux


    There’s an old Hollywood story about Tony Randall auditioning for the part of a Texas cowboy named Doc Long in a revival of the I Love a Mystery radio show.
     
    Great to see mention of I Love a Mystery here! I had not heard that story about Randall auditioning for the part of Doc Long.

    This ILAM page at Archive.org appears to have all of the extant episodes, plus four interviews: with the serial's writer Carlton E. Morse; with actress Mercedes McCambridge; with actors Russell Thorson (played Jack Packard) and Jim Boles (played Doc Long); and finally, with Tony Randall. (In all, the page contains a total of 178 files. An alternate ILAM page features only 95 files in total but may be worth taking note of nonetheless.)

    As you likely know, Texas native Barton Yarborough was one of at least two actors who played Doc Long in ILAM. Yarborough's many other radio roles included that of playing Sergeant Ben Romero, Joe Friday's original partner in Dragnet. Yarborough's sudden, untimely death of a heart attack in 1951 was worked into the script by having his character Romero suffer the same fate on the show. Few people today seem to know this, or even know that Dragnet, like Gunsmoke! and a number of other popular offerings, began on radio before moving to television. (Initially and up to a certain point, the television version of Dragnet used the same audio as the radio version, and the two were simulcast.)

    Incidentally, I've always wondered what our own Ms. Alden, given her background in law enforcement (possibly even in or near the same jurisdiction), might have to say about Dragnet.

    Oh, another thing, how many people know what a sanctimonious Goodwhite the real Jack Webb actually seems to have been? This is made quite clear in a number of his lesser known works, including a series that mocked southern segregationists.

  135. @Jonathan Mason
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    LoIt can be beautiful on a Summer's Day, but a lot of the time it is cold and gray and dull.

    It is now much more gentrified and quaintified than it was 60 years ago. The buildings are still there and very recognizable, but the people I knew are gone, mostly to their graves.

    I grew up there as a child so I have mixed feelings about the place as it is in my blood.

    Many of my contemporaries there died young due to drinking too much and driving too fast on icy winter roads.

    My mother is buried in the church yard there. I am very unlikely to ever return. I miss the scenery more than I miss the people. The last time I was there was 20 years ago, and even at that time I saw what had been hot, sexy young women a few years older than me who were now decrepit old crones, and boys who were nasty bullies who were now feeble little old men.

    See George Orwell's novel Coming Up For Air on the same subject.

    The building at the back right with the bow windows in the Google view belonged to my parents, but was sold when they divorced.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I am very unlikely to ever return.

  136. @Jim Don Bob
    @Batman


    It is truly an incredible coincidence that the Tulsa Race a Riots didn’t become a thing until a couple of years ago after all witnesses had died.
     
    Excellent point. Just like the deathbed confession of the womzn Emmet Till harassed saying he really dindu nuffin which the white shitlib somehow forgot to record.

    It's strange how most of the coincidences go a certain way...

    2) Is there a more worthless Federal agency than DHS?

    3) I'd bet dollars to donuts that if you asked 100 blacks about the "Tulsa Massacre", not one of them would know what you are talking about.

    Replies: @Batman, @dindunuffins

    Last time I checked, Carolyn Bryant is still alive. She has a very strong incentive to not correct the record, though. If she came out and said that Emmitt Till did lay hands on her and made her fear she was about to be gang raped by the half dozen black teenagers, she’d immediately have a BLM rapid response force on her doorstep to make her pay for her crimes.

  137. @AndrewR
    @Jonathan Mason

    He still has to pay for the truck and everything needed to run it. Also where is he getting the produce? Weird.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    The truck looks to be at least 20 years old, and he and his neighbors grow the produce. I don’t know what is weird about that.

    Even in the United States the cost of a pickup truck is much less than the cost of a store.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  138. Fun fact: The man accused of misbehavior in the elevator had the street name “Diamond Dick”. True story.

  139. …alarmed the local black population, some of whom arrived at the courthouse armed. Shots were fired, and twelve people were killed; ten white and two black.

    Is this saying who started it?

  140. @res
    @Desiderius

    The overall point sounds valid, but isn't that math kind of funky?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Maybe he’s a tax attorney.

  141. Both the Smithsonian Magazine and National Geographic Magazine have featured the Tulsa race riot’s 100-year anniversary in their latest editions, although they call it the “Tulsa Race Massacre”. Coincidence? Or is all of this preplanned and coordinated (((by whom?))) using blacks as a stalking horse for our reeducation and induction into the New World Order?

    For a balanced narrative, I wonder if the MSM will ever feature the “1791 Haitian Massacre” of white men, women, and children. From Wikipedia:

    “Guillaume Raynal attacked slavery in the 1780 edition of his history of European colonization. He also predicted a general slave revolt in the colonies, saying that there were signs of “the impending storm”.[43] One such sign was the action of the French revolutionary government to grant citizenship to wealthy free people of color in May 1791. Since white planters refused to comply with this decision, within two months isolated fighting broke out between the former slaves and the whites. This added to the tense climate between slaves and grands blancs.[44]

    Raynal’s prediction came true on the night of 21 August 1791, when the slaves of Saint-Domingue rose in revolt; thousands of slaves attended a secret vodou ceremony as a tropical storm came in—the lighting and the thunder was taken as auspicious omens—and later that night, the slaves began to kill their masters and plunged the colony into civil war. The signal to begin the revolt was given by Dutty Boukman, a high priest of vodou and leader of the Maroon slaves, and Cecile Fatiman during a religious ceremony at Bois Caïman on the night of 14 August.[46] Within the next ten days, slaves had taken control of the entire Northern Province in an unprecedented slave revolt. Whites kept control of only a few isolated, fortified camps. The slaves sought revenge on their masters through “pillage, rape, torture, mutilation, and death”. The long years of oppression by the planters had left many blacks with a hatred of all whites, and the revolt was marked by extreme violence from the very start. The masters and mistresses were dragged from their beds to be killed, and the heads of French children were placed on spikes that were carried at the front of the rebel columns.”

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @TheJester

    Meanwhile, back in good old France, they had a mostly peaceful gourmet French Revolution in which thousands of aristocrats and landowners were peacefully led to the guillotine and beheaded.

    The only problem was that the slaves in Haiti took the ideas of Liberty, Equality, and Brotherhood way too literally, not realizing that it was only for whites, and that beheading was only supposed to be done judicially with all the correct paperwork.

    Those were some rough years when you had the French revolution and the American revolution, and it must have seemed like the world was coming to an end, but it all turned out nice in the afternoon.

    Replies: @bomag

  142. @Joe Stalin

    Also, it didn’t help that blacks started rioting and looting and burning down their own business districts in the 1960s.
     
    MLK Chicago mayhem circa 1968.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWGFAA6lCiA

    Replies: @anonymous, @anonymous, @europeasant

    Me and 3 friends took a car tour of Madison Ave the Sunday after the riots ended. It was safe the Sunday morning as the locals were very tired from all their activity plus there was not much left to burn. The west side had a large Jewish presence with all the stores along Madison. Too bad I didn’t have a camera. It looked like a war zone. One could see the smoke from miles away.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @europeasant

    On the south side of Chicago, I saw a paint store catch fire near a bank, but it was extinguished by CFD. Thank goodness the Blacks chose not to burn down the neighborhood after MLK got killed.

  143. “In Tulsa 100 years ago, a black mob started a race riot and a white mob ended it.”

    A truly bizarre description, you’ve completely lost it.

  144. res says:
    @syonredux

    In Tulsa 100 years ago, a black mob started a race riot and a white mob ended it.
     
    Yep.

    The Tulsa Riot was caused by armed Blacks who marched to the courthouse in an attempt to protect a Black man who was accused of assaulting a White woman:

    In Greenwood, rumors began to fly—in particular, a report that whites were storming the courthouse. Shortly after 10 pm, a second, larger group of approximately 75 armed black men decided to go to the courthouse. They offered their support to the sheriff, who declined their help. According to witnesses, a white man is alleged to have told one of the armed black men to surrender his pistol. The man refused, and a shot was fired. That first shot may have been accidental, or meant as a warning; it was a catalyst for an exchange of gunfire.[15]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#Stand-off_at_the_courthouse




    If the armed Blacks had not intervened, there likely would have been no riot. And Blacks did most of the killing on the first day of the riot:

    Day one death toll:

    Whites: 10

    Blacks: 2

    The stories about aeroplanes firebombing black-owned properties is utter crap. What person in his right mind would fill a Curtiss JN-4 Jenny (a highly combustible aircraft) with turpentine-soaked rag balls, which would have to be lit by hand before being dropped ?And WWI-era pilots were well-known for their fear of fire. Even this overly credulous aviation site seems to have trouble with that scenario:

    In the hour or so that followed, each plane let loose their loads of these fire bombs from low altitude, setting them alight just before they were dropped. This was a dangerous thing to attempt from inside the cockpit of a wood, wire and fabric biplane, yet they were successful.
     
    http://fly.historicwings.com/2017/02/the-bombing-of-tulsa/


    And the high numbers of deaths that you see people tossing around (100 to 300) are just pulled out of thin air. The official tally from The Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 is 39 deaths(counting a stillborn infant), 26 Blacks and 13 Whites, which is quite a distance from the mass slaughter of legend:

    https://www.okhistory.org/research/forms/freport.pdf

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @res

    Day one death toll:

    Whites: 10

    Blacks: 2

    Thanks for the numbers (do you have a source?). The report I read described that as both blacks and whites died.

    One question, should we expect killed/wounded ratios by race here to resemble Sailer’s law of mass shootings style numbers?

    Where in that report do you see those (13/26/39) death statistics? On pp. 123-124 I see an official estimate of 36 (ten whites and 26 blacks) quoted along with speculative higher numbers.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @res

    I got it from the (surprisingly decent) Wikipedia article:


    The gunshots triggered an almost immediate response, with both sides firing on the other. The first "battle" was said to last a few seconds or so, but took a toll, as ten Whites and two Black men lay dead or dying in the street.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#Violent_outbreaks

    Where in that report do you see those (13/26/39) death statistics? On pp. 123-124 I see an official estimate of 36 (ten whites and 26 blacks) quoted along with speculative higher numbers.
     
    On page 114 of the Tulsa Commission report, the total number of victims is stated to be 39. Further breakdown:

    Twenty-six (66%) of the thirty-nine victims,
    including the still born, were diagnosed as
    blacks.

     

    p. 114 ("Race")

    39 total victims minus 26 Blacks = 13 Whites

    On p. 116 of the Tulsa report, we are explicitly told that 13 Whites died, all by gunshot:

    All of the thirteen whites were killed by gun -
    shot wounds.
    Among the twenty-five black
    adults, at least twenty-one (84%) died of gun -
    shot wounds. The cause of death of the remaining four, all signed out by County Attorney
    Seavers, were given as burn but, as noted pre -
    viously, any underlying fatal gun shot wounds
    may not have been apparent in the absence of
    autopsy.

     

  145. @Polistra
    If only American blacks had any self-awareness, they would object to all the immigrant grifters presuming to speak for them.

    Separately: someone here (I think Syon?) pointed out an inconvenient truth about the Tulsa riots--the first night's toll was mostly whites being killed. Then the whites turned that around.

    We had one kind of white people back then, another kind now.

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Mr. Grey, @znon

    someone here (I think Syon?) pointed out an inconvenient truth about the Tulsa riots

    Yes, they always leave out what happened earlier, that a group of armed blacks came to the courthouse because they thought the black kid arrested was about to be lynched. A white man had been lynched not that long ago. The irony is the authorities knew the kid and had pretty much cleared up the misunderstanding. Blacks started shooting. There’s more to the story but you never hear any of it in corporate media. Tulsa was a boomtown at the time and there was a lot of lawlessness in the black part of town. Maybe that was the fault of the police but it seems to echo what’s going on now with BLM. Some folks got fed up with the violence and crime.

  146. @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    Google says about 1,640,000,000 hits for "Black Wall Street". As in 1.6 billion with a B. So your woketard friend must be a busy guy.

    BTW, there were around 9,000 people who lived in Greenwood, of whom 26 died (along with 10 whites) so "race massacre" is also an exaggeration. (Cf. Rwanda - 500,000 to 800,000 deaths, US Civil War, 700,000 dead, and so on.)


    The NY Times has painstakingly recreated a 3D model of this lost Xanadu:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/24/us/tulsa-race-massacre.html

    The some of the skyscrapers of Black Wall Street zoomed up to 3 stories high! I wonder whether building this model cost more than most of those buildings were worth?

    The WSJ (the opinion pages have remained conservative but the news pages are getting woker by the minute as they hire young 'uns) mourns the lost inheritances of Tulsa:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-tulsas-black-wall-street-went-up-in-flames-so-did-potential-inheritance-11622293202

    Surely the blacks of Tulsa would have been billionaires by now if Greenwood had not been destroyed by evil racists.

    How much property have blacks destroyed since 1965? Where is the mourning for the white property owners of Newark, Detroit, etc?

    I really can't wait for this national hysteria to be over. It IS an hysteria and it WILL be over, won't it? Please tell me that it will be over someday. Please.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @anon, @Art Deco, @Polistra, @Paperback Writer

    You have to surround “Black Wall Street” in quotation marks. That will cut the hit down to…

    …..

    Nine million.

  147. @countenance
    Black Wall Street (such as it was) was rebuilt after the 1921 riots. What ended it was, what you said, the '60s, and affirmative action.

    Replies: @Jack D, @dindunuffins

    Black nationalists and their countless enablers like to tell the story of the “Black Wall Street” in the Greenwood section of Tulsa, OK and how feral mobs of racist whites burned it to the ground. But if you search historical accounts of what set off this huge race riot, every page I found online says it started when “shots were fired,” but they ALL neglect to mention it was a black male who started firing and that 10 whites were killed in the gunfire.

    And why was it called the “Black Wall Street?” Did it boast an international financial exchange? No, it merely hosted about 100 or so modest black-owned businesses that were all destroyed in about 14 hours of rioting.

    There has been nonstop rioting in America for three months, and yet the original Wall Street in New York still stands. Is it possible that comparing Tulsa’s modest black business district to New York’s Wall Street was a bit of compensatory hyperbole?

  148. @Jim Don Bob
    @Batman


    It is truly an incredible coincidence that the Tulsa Race a Riots didn’t become a thing until a couple of years ago after all witnesses had died.
     
    Excellent point. Just like the deathbed confession of the womzn Emmet Till harassed saying he really dindu nuffin which the white shitlib somehow forgot to record.

    It's strange how most of the coincidences go a certain way...

    2) Is there a more worthless Federal agency than DHS?

    3) I'd bet dollars to donuts that if you asked 100 blacks about the "Tulsa Massacre", not one of them would know what you are talking about.

    Replies: @Batman, @dindunuffins

    Yes just like the coincidence of Hidden Figures comes out AFTER John Glenn passes away.

  149. @europeasant
    @Joe Stalin

    Me and 3 friends took a car tour of Madison Ave the Sunday after the riots ended. It was safe the Sunday morning as the locals were very tired from all their activity plus there was not much left to burn. The west side had a large Jewish presence with all the stores along Madison. Too bad I didn't have a camera. It looked like a war zone. One could see the smoke from miles away.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    On the south side of Chicago, I saw a paint store catch fire near a bank, but it was extinguished by CFD. Thank goodness the Blacks chose not to burn down the neighborhood after MLK got killed.

  150. @res
    @syonredux


    Day one death toll:

    Whites: 10

    Blacks: 2
     
    Thanks for the numbers (do you have a source?). The report I read described that as both blacks and whites died.

    One question, should we expect killed/wounded ratios by race here to resemble Sailer's law of mass shootings style numbers?

    Where in that report do you see those (13/26/39) death statistics? On pp. 123-124 I see an official estimate of 36 (ten whites and 26 blacks) quoted along with speculative higher numbers.

    Replies: @syonredux

    I got it from the (surprisingly decent) Wikipedia article:

    The gunshots triggered an almost immediate response, with both sides firing on the other. The first “battle” was said to last a few seconds or so, but took a toll, as ten Whites and two Black men lay dead or dying in the street.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre#Violent_outbreaks

    Where in that report do you see those (13/26/39) death statistics? On pp. 123-124 I see an official estimate of 36 (ten whites and 26 blacks) quoted along with speculative higher numbers.

    On page 114 of the Tulsa Commission report, the total number of victims is stated to be 39. Further breakdown:

    Twenty-six (66%) of the thirty-nine victims,
    including the still born, were diagnosed as
    blacks.

    p. 114 (“Race”)

    39 total victims minus 26 Blacks = 13 Whites

    On p. 116 of the Tulsa report, we are explicitly told that 13 Whites died, all by gunshot:

    All of the thirteen whites were killed by gun –
    shot wounds.
    Among the twenty-five black
    adults, at least twenty-one (84%) died of gun –
    shot wounds. The cause of death of the remaining four, all signed out by County Attorney
    Seavers, were given as burn but, as noted pre –
    viously, any underlying fatal gun shot wounds
    may not have been apparent in the absence of
    autopsy.

    • Thanks: ben tillman, res
  151. @Jonathan Mason
    @Art Deco


    One thing that has disappeared is itinerant tradesmen dealing in anything but home maintenance and the like. They disappeared pretty much for people living everywhere.
     
    It seems that way. Where I live in Ecuador--down a dirt road called 10th Avenue that we don't pay taxes to maintain--we have a guy who comes round a couple of times a week selling fruit and veg from a pickup truck with a loudspeaker on the roof, well below supermarket prices.

    Basically everything is a dollar, whether it be a whole watermelon, a bunch of broccoli, or a bag of potatoes, which greatly simplifies matters as totals can be worked out by mental arithmetic.

    This business model is very simple as it requires no retail property, billboards, radio and TV advertising, parking lots, customer toilets, or cash register. Debit cards are not accepted. Cash is king.

    I have often thought that if one was to abolish welfare and food stamps in the US, you would also have to enact a Constitutional Amendment that no federal, state, or local law or ordinance could be enacted that in any way stopped people from earning a living and supporting their family--other than things that were really dangerous, like setting up a gasoline pump in your front yard, or smelly, like setting up a pig farm in your back yard.

    But the PTB in the US would never go for it, because it would challenge the corporate hegemony and give too much power to the people.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @ThreeCranes

    Won’t work in America because fruits and vegetables are no longer grown in this country. Much of the produce that appears in our grocery stores comes from foreign nations like California, Mexico, Peru etc. Fifty years ago, America’s Midwest grew the best tasting produce in the world, thanks to its incredibly rich soil and abundant water. Now, most of our vegetables are manufactured in California from inorganic raw materials. The work force which assembles these items is as alien in composition as are the vegetables themselves. Midwest farms grow wheat, soybeans and corn for export.

    Anyone here who doesn’t believe that Bill Gates has his fruit and vegetables flown in daily from the completely organic farms functioning on his vast land holdings? Along with his fresh wild shrimp, lobster and salmon?

  152. @Polistra
    @Paleo Liberal

    When I lived in Washington, the Crestwood neighborhood and surrounding areas along 16th St. NW were upper middle class black 'hoods. No idea if they still are, and of course few neighborhoods are 100% anything.

    Replies: @guest007

    lieve that was the neighborhood where mayor Fenty lived until he left town. Of course his children attended school in a different, whiter neighborhooddddd

  153. http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/riot/riotfram.html

    It’s a paper written to fulfill course requirements for a bachelors degree in history at Oklahoma State University, 1 January 1989.

  154. @Polistra
    @Dan Hayes

    Without those two, and a few outlets such as this one, we'd be hard pressed to know what's actually going on in our own country. Our MSM works double-time to prevent the masses from straying off-narrative.

    Do you remember when we were school kids, how we were taught about the contortions people in the USSR would have to undertake in order to get the real news?

    How long before Jeff Bezos or someone similar buys the Daily Mail and converts it to a new "improved" version?

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Bezos gobbling up the Daily Mail is a frightening thought, but on reflection it or something akin might very well happen!

  155. @kaganovitch
    @martin_2

    What do you mean “liquor store”. I thought we called them Off Licences!

    In Ecuador though, they call them Liquor stores. Sigh, just another case of John Bull going native.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    In Ireland I found “Off License” to be deceptive/camouflaged advertising!

  156. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    No, that’s not what it’s for.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0DGjXE_BQQ

    Wrong answer, twit:

    https://hhs.texas.gov/sites/default/files/documents/doing-business-with-hhs/provider-portal/facilities-regulation/psychiatric/criteria/antipsychotics-typical-criteria.pdf

    ANTIPSYCHOTIC Schlorpromazine (Thorazine®), fluphenazine (Prolixin®), haloperidol (Haldol®), loxapine (Loxitane®), perphenazine (Trilafon®), thiothixene (Navane®), trifluoperazine (Stelazine®)

    INDICATIONS

    3) Personality disorders – schizotypal, paranoid and borderline
     

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Oh, no comeback, eh, Mr. Librarian?

  157. @Polistra
    If only American blacks had any self-awareness, they would object to all the immigrant grifters presuming to speak for them.

    Separately: someone here (I think Syon?) pointed out an inconvenient truth about the Tulsa riots--the first night's toll was mostly whites being killed. Then the whites turned that around.

    We had one kind of white people back then, another kind now.

    Replies: @anonymouseperson, @Mr. Grey, @znon

    Lots of Amerindians, Cowboys and ex Confederate Rednecks in Oklahoma, they have historically had little tolerance for abuse, as well as skill in the use of arms.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @znon

    You’re a DA!

  158. @TheJester
    Both the Smithsonian Magazine and National Geographic Magazine have featured the Tulsa race riot's 100-year anniversary in their latest editions, although they call it the "Tulsa Race Massacre". Coincidence? Or is all of this preplanned and coordinated (((by whom?))) using blacks as a stalking horse for our reeducation and induction into the New World Order?

    For a balanced narrative, I wonder if the MSM will ever feature the "1791 Haitian Massacre" of white men, women, and children. From Wikipedia:

    "Guillaume Raynal attacked slavery in the 1780 edition of his history of European colonization. He also predicted a general slave revolt in the colonies, saying that there were signs of "the impending storm".[43] One such sign was the action of the French revolutionary government to grant citizenship to wealthy free people of color in May 1791. Since white planters refused to comply with this decision, within two months isolated fighting broke out between the former slaves and the whites. This added to the tense climate between slaves and grands blancs.[44]

    Raynal's prediction came true on the night of 21 August 1791, when the slaves of Saint-Domingue rose in revolt; thousands of slaves attended a secret vodou ceremony as a tropical storm came in—the lighting and the thunder was taken as auspicious omens—and later that night, the slaves began to kill their masters and plunged the colony into civil war. The signal to begin the revolt was given by Dutty Boukman, a high priest of vodou and leader of the Maroon slaves, and Cecile Fatiman during a religious ceremony at Bois Caïman on the night of 14 August.[46] Within the next ten days, slaves had taken control of the entire Northern Province in an unprecedented slave revolt. Whites kept control of only a few isolated, fortified camps. The slaves sought revenge on their masters through "pillage, rape, torture, mutilation, and death". The long years of oppression by the planters had left many blacks with a hatred of all whites, and the revolt was marked by extreme violence from the very start. The masters and mistresses were dragged from their beds to be killed, and the heads of French children were placed on spikes that were carried at the front of the rebel columns."
     

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason

    Meanwhile, back in good old France, they had a mostly peaceful gourmet French Revolution in which thousands of aristocrats and landowners were peacefully led to the guillotine and beheaded.

    The only problem was that the slaves in Haiti took the ideas of Liberty, Equality, and Brotherhood way too literally, not realizing that it was only for whites, and that beheading was only supposed to be done judicially with all the correct paperwork.

    Those were some rough years when you had the French revolution and the American revolution, and it must have seemed like the world was coming to an end, but it all turned out nice in the afternoon.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Jonathan Mason

    Don't miss the point here: the excesses of the French Revolution are greatly discussed in detail in mainstream discourse, as is any White misbehavior in general; while Black excesses are downplayed or ignored.

    Thus we have great amounts of ink spilled for Emmett Till and Tulsa race riots; the 10x level of Black violence on the other hand, not so much.

  159. @syonredux
    @Reg Cæsar

    RE: Tony Randall and Oklahoma,


    There’s an old Hollywood story about Tony Randall auditioning for the part of a Texas cowboy named Doc Long in a revival of the I Love a Mystery radio show. Randall was from Oklahoma, and he assured the casting director that he could revive his old accent. Unfortunately, Randall had worked really, really hard at eradicating every trace of Tulsa twang from his voice. After several minutes of flailing about, Randall apologized. He just couldn’t do it. The director assured him that he had actually won a part, just not Doc Long. He was perfect for the part of Reggie York, an Englishman.

    Replies: @Dissident

    There’s an old Hollywood story about Tony Randall auditioning for the part of a Texas cowboy named Doc Long in a revival of the I Love a Mystery radio show.

    Great to see mention of I Love a Mystery here! I had not heard that story about Randall auditioning for the part of Doc Long.

    This ILAM page at Archive.org appears to have all of the extant episodes, plus four interviews: with the serial’s writer Carlton E. Morse; with actress Mercedes McCambridge; with actors Russell Thorson (played Jack Packard) and Jim Boles (played Doc Long); and finally, with Tony Randall.

    [MORE]
    (In all, the page contains a total of 178 files. An alternate ILAM page features only 95 files in total but may be worth taking note of nonetheless.)

    As you likely know, Texas native Barton Yarborough was one of at least two actors who played Doc Long in ILAM. Yarborough’s many other radio roles included that of playing Sergeant Ben Romero, Joe Friday‘s original partner in Dragnet. Yarborough’s sudden, untimely death of a heart attack in 1951 was worked into the script by having his character Romero suffer the same fate on the show. Few people today seem to know this, or even know that Dragnet, like Gunsmoke! and a number of other popular offerings, began on radio before moving to television. (Initially and up to a certain point, the television version of Dragnet used the same audio as the radio version, and the two were simulcast.)

    Incidentally, I’ve always wondered what our own Ms. Alden, given her background in law enforcement (possibly even in or near the same jurisdiction), might have to say about Dragnet.

    Oh, another thing, how many people know what a sanctimonious Goodwhite the real Jack Webb actually seems to have been? This is made quite clear in a number of his lesser known works, including a series that mocked southern segregationists.

  160. Reparations in the form of REPATRIATION with the Wakonda motherland!!

  161. @znon
    @Polistra

    Lots of Amerindians, Cowboys and ex Confederate Rednecks in Oklahoma, they have historically had little tolerance for abuse, as well as skill in the use of arms.

    Replies: @Anon

    You’re a DA!

  162. Reparations in the form of repatriation with Africa!!

  163. Fuck you iSteve!!

  164. @Jonathan Mason
    @TheJester

    Meanwhile, back in good old France, they had a mostly peaceful gourmet French Revolution in which thousands of aristocrats and landowners were peacefully led to the guillotine and beheaded.

    The only problem was that the slaves in Haiti took the ideas of Liberty, Equality, and Brotherhood way too literally, not realizing that it was only for whites, and that beheading was only supposed to be done judicially with all the correct paperwork.

    Those were some rough years when you had the French revolution and the American revolution, and it must have seemed like the world was coming to an end, but it all turned out nice in the afternoon.

    Replies: @bomag

    Don’t miss the point here: the excesses of the French Revolution are greatly discussed in detail in mainstream discourse, as is any White misbehavior in general; while Black excesses are downplayed or ignored.

    Thus we have great amounts of ink spilled for Emmett Till and Tulsa race riots; the 10x level of Black violence on the other hand, not so much.

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