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The Democrats were too busy worrying about the Russians interfering with their process to worry about their own process. From CNN:

The Democrats’ new online troll fighters make 2020 debut in Iowa
By Donie O’Sullivan, CNN
Updated 4:57 PM EST, Sun February 02, 2020

Des Moines, Iowa(CNN)Days after the 2016 Iowa caucuses, the instructions were clear.

“[U]se any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them),” they read.

The guidance had been circulated among a group of Russians who were covertly running a vast network of social media accounts seeking to divide Democrats and push the candidacy of Donald Trump. (The instructions were later found during special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.)

Four years later, unhappy with Silicon Valley’s efforts to curb the manipulation of its platforms, the Democratic Party has developed capabilities of its own to monitor and tackle online disinformation.

The first-in-the-nation caucuses here Monday will be the Democrats’ first 2020 test of its new team on a day when voters have their say. …

“Both Republicans and foreign actors, like Russia, have an incentive to divide the American electorate and may try to use the Iowa Caucus to further that goal,” the DNC wrote in a “counter disinformation update” sent to campaigns on Thursday.

Among the new weapons in the Democrats’ online arsenal is a monitoring tool called “Trendolizer.” When stories from websites known to peddle misinformation mention candidates and begin getting shares on social media, Trendolizer detects it and an alert is sent to the relevant campaigns.

Another tool built in-house at the DNC monitors Twitter traffic. On Monday, it’ll watch for misinformation about how and where to caucus. Variations of the word “rigged” had been loaded into system when CNN was shown it Saturday — attempts to undermine legitimate vote results using disinformation is something Democrats are watching out for. …

Officials from the Iowa Democratic Party plan on posting responses to online activity on caucus night. Additionally, campaigns seeing suspicious activity have been asked to report it to the DNC’s counter disinformation team that are in regular contact with representatives from the major social media companies and government agencies. …

Overseeing all things technology for the DNC is Nell Thomas. After working data analytics for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, Thomas spent more than two years at Facebook before joining the DNC last May…

Robby Mook, Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign manager, says misinformation makes Facebook money. …

The company has hired former intelligence officials to root out coordinated misinformation campaigns, and its public disclosures have provided some of the best insight into how foreign countries target Americans with disinformation. It has also partnered with fact-checking organizations that downrank false posts and articles which reduces their engagement and have brought in a slew of new rules aimed at combating election misinformation.

… In recent weeks the DNC told campaigns that “hashtags casting 2020 presidential candidates in a negative light” had reached Twitter’s coveted trending section.

Engaging with the hashtags, even to push back against them, could help promote them further, the DNC warned. The committee instead advised campaigns to encourage surrogates “to promote a positive alternative” hashtags.

Positive alternative hashtags sound like the lamest things imaginable.

 
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  1. The Titoist and Maoist deviantionists attacking Comrade Biden will receive justice!

    • Agree: Muggles
  2. campaigns seeing suspicious activity have been asked to report it to the DNC’s counter disinformation team that are in regular contact with representatives from the major social media companies and government agencies…

    Ah yes. The same DNC which was discovered to have been working hand-in-glove with Hillary’s campaign the whole time to destabilize and ultimately submerge Bernie Sanders.

    Heckuva job, DNC! You’re doing better than ever now. And I can’t help but notice that the MSM is making light of your latest colossal failure.

    • Replies: @neprof
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  3. Tulip says:

    Nothing to see here people, we are just assiduously “quality-testing” the results before we report them.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  4. If you want to see how well America can be run by the Coalition of the Fringes, the Circular Firing Squad, the marginalized BBQWERTies, the Democrat Party, the Leftists, the Anybody But a Straight, White Male, just look at how well they’re doing with their caucus in Iowa.

  5. What could possibly go wrong?

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  6. dearieme says:

    I have an army of distant cousins in Iowa. It was a good place to go in the second half of the 19th century – cheap land and less competition. Is it still a good place to live?

    (My kin played a role in introducing golf to that land. How very Stevian.)

  7. El Dato says:

    Des Moines, Iowa(CNN)Days after the 2016 Iowa caucuses, the instructions were clear.

    “Sendet SA Mitglieder zu allen Wahlbüros! Haltet die Juden und Sozis raus!”

    No, wait.

    “[U]se any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them),” they read.

    Who wrote that when, where and to whom and why?

    The guidance had been circulated among a group of Russians who were covertly running a vast network of social media accounts seeking to divide Democrats and push the candidacy of Donald Trump. (The instructions were later found during special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.)

    “found”.

    Confirmation inside of (parentheses)? We believe it!

    “Both Republicans and foreign actors, like Russia, have an incentive to divide the American electorate and may try to use the Iowa Caucus to further that goal,” the DNC wrote in a “counter disinformation update” sent to campaigns on Thursday.

    In other words, Republicans are an enemy force, like Russians in Muh Crimea. IMHO, FDRs internment camps should be redeployed.

    The company has hired former intelligence officials to root out coordinated misinformation campaigns, and its public disclosures have provided some of the best insight into how foreign countries target Americans with disinformation.

    Probably an allusion to “Crowdstrike” whose partisan bullshit production is entirely aboveboard. They have detected vast hacking of immensely powerful proportions!

    Overseeing all things technology for the DNC is Nell Thomas. After working data analytics for Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, Thomas spent more than two years at Facebook before joining the DNC last May…

    “Two years at Facebook”, does not imply being skilled at anything, it just implies that there is a strong network between the DNC and what must count as what’s basically an opium-peddling and body-harvesting institution.

  8. IHTG says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    They’re mostly white up there in Iowa though.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  9. Anonymous[566] • Disclaimer says:

    One thing I noticed about/around driving through there on I-80 about ten years ago was the choice of FM classical radio stations. There were easily over half a dozen different ones, whether independently operated or just cut-outs for the international Bach conglomerates, I’m not sure.

  10. Dan Smith says:

    It’s almost as if CNN was somehow in cahoots with the DNC.

  11. @dearieme

    Iowa is a good place to drive through, because everybody on Interstate 80 goes 80MPH. I think that’s how the highway gets its number.

    Typically, two semi trucks will line up side-by-side and take up both lanes, going fast enough that you don’t care that they are blocking you. You just blast through the corn fields and let the trucks push the air out of the way.

    And the signs all tell you how far you are from Des Moines. For hundreds of miles…

  12. @dearieme

    Who introduced the blacks?

    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @duncsbaby
  13. unit472 says:

    Put a bunch of Affirmative Action hirelings together with political hacks and mix with corruption and criminal officials and you get the DNC. Nothing new here. Been going on since the Clintons moved into Washington.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  14. Kirt says:

    You can’t make this stuff up! Maybe the whole Demo party and media are a Russian plot as the conspiracists have often insisted. ROTFLMAO!!!

  15. The company that built the app that crashed is Shadow.

    • Thanks: Momus
  16. Anon7 says:

    The Democrats have this under control, or maybe it’s Mike Bloomberg, whose divisive new ad backed by personal $$billions$$, “Nation Divided by Trump”, is now inescapable online.

  17. @El Dato

    Just looking at Nell Thomas’ photo I can tell she probably couldn’t answer a simple, “fizzbuzz,” coding question.

    • Replies: @CorkyAgain
  18. tyrone says:

    Oh yes ,the Iowa sh*t show was carefully planned and controlled…..lurch on the scene ….the Bern got burned….Trump still WINNING!

  19. Polynikes says:
    @dearieme

    Lots of farm land. The eastern part near the Mississippi has some of the hills and bluffs you’d expect of that region. Des Moines seemed to be a nice and emerging medium sized city the two nights I spent there. You could find worse places to raise a family.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @black sea
  20. Corn says:
    @dearieme

    Illinoisan here. My sister went to college in Iowa. I like Iowa myself. It’s not perfect in these crazy times but it’s basically a bit less diverse and less drama-laden Illinois.

  21. Anon 2 says:

    OT: President Macron of France, who is visiting Poland this week,
    said that, after Brexit, Poland, Germany, and France will lead Europe.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @anon
  22. Unlike the Communists of old, the Democrats really can never enforce party discipline. Yes they will make rules and pronouncements and ruin some lives along the way. But it still won’t take.

    They are too essentially undisciplined in the first place.

  23. MEH 0910 says:

    • LOL: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  24. @IHTG

    Yes, so let’s throw in any suicidal White idiots who would be part of that coalition.

  25. So, allegedly in response to weak sauce Russian meddling, the DNC has created their own army of trolls to influence the election? The MSM should consider this a direct indictment for their failure to bring the desired results.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  26. MEH 0910 says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    The Simpsons Nothing Can Possibli Go Wrong

  27. @unit472

    Aw c’mon, to be fair the DNC has also added lots of trannies and people from shithole countries since Maw and Paw Clinton first grifted their way into town.

  28. This was an inside operation.

    • Replies: @Patrick in SC
  29. David says:

    Yesterday, Tom Perez published a piece called “How We Prepared for 2020” that specifically mentions the big improvements the DNC has made in the caucus process. The article allows comments and, of the half dozen or so there now, none are proposing positive alternatives except that perhaps Perez should resign.

    https://medium.com/@TomPerezforDNC/how-we-prepared-for-2020-a876a644b158

  30. If the Democratic establishment wants to find the folks who are trying to destroy the integrity of elections, they have an easy task.

    They do not need to look far away at foreign lands.

    All they need to do is look in the mirror.

    • Replies: @Semi-Hemi
  31. “Trendolizer”?

    Really?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Buck Ransom
    , @donut
  32. @Polynikes

    Iowa is mildly scenic, with pleasant rolling hills unlike dead flat Illinois. But they’ve built a lot of windmills so your long views will depend on how much you like pointy windmills.

  33. B36 says:

    OT. LA can’t seem to put Steve’s plan into effect:
    ‘This was supposed to be reparations’ Why is LA’s cannabis industry devastating black entrepreneurs?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/03/this-was-supposed-to-be-reparations-why-is-las-cannabis-industry-devastating-black-entrepreneurs

  34. Jack D says:

    attempts to undermine legitimate vote results using disinformation is something Democrats are watching out for. …

    It sounds like they are doing a great job all on their own. If the Democrats were TRYING to give the appearance of vote fraud, they couldn’t have done it any better. If they ever get around to giving the results, either people will suspect that they are cooked (if Biden does well) or else that the party leadership sat on them to hide Biden’s collapse (if he didn’t). Either way the results will not be accepted as legitimate as a result of their own actions and not because of anything the Rooshians did. (Unless the Rooshians hacked their half-assed reporting app).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  35. black sea says:
    @Polynikes

    In much of America, the places which you would never recommend as a travel destination tend to be among the nicer places to actually live.

  36. From

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/iowa-caucuses-descend-into-chaos-as-delay-leaves-outcome-uncertain/ar-BBZCow5?ocid=spartanntp

    “The Trump campaign said it was dispatching more than 80 surrogate . . . hoping to boost Republican enthusiasm in Iowa at a time when Democrats have been the main focus . . .

    The surrogates also had another task: inflaming tensions within the Democratic Party. Before the caucuses, many of Trump’s allies accused the Democratic establishment of trying to rig the election against Sanders, amplifying an evidence-free claim that the president has made repeatedly in an effort to turn Democrats against each other.

    [email protected]

    [email protected]

    Scott Clement, Chelsea Janes, Annie Linskey, Paul Schartzman, Sean Sullivan and Cleve R. Wootson Jr. contributed to this report.”

    I knew it, President Trump is all at fault!

  37. dearieme says:
    @Father O'Hara

    I give up. Who introduced the blacks?

  38. JMcG says:
    @Steve Sailer

    OT, but since you started it; Ireland has covered some of its most scenic areas with windmills. Add that to the fact that Dublin is no longer recognizable as an Irish City and I’m looking for ways to short the Irish tourism sector. Any ideas?

  39. Anon[624] • Disclaimer says:

    Not surprising at all. (D) has always been the party of the end justifies the means. Now it appears the company that makes the mobile voting software is called “Shadow”, you can’t make this stuff up. The CEO follows an account that claims US-Israel relations is the most important relationship in the world, and is a big fan of deep state stooge Pete Buttigieg, who contributed $50k to that company. Then this “confusion” happened and Buttigieg declared himself winner. This is what happens when the hummus eating tribe runs things — mass corruption without shame. It’s called chutzpah, as Alan Dershowitz explained to us dumb goys.

    The same people who elect their leaders via representatives (super delegates) want to abolish the electoral college and elect POTUS by popular votes. Does anyone else see the irony here?

    • Agree: Prester John
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  40. Positive alternative hashtags sound like the lamest things imaginable.

    What on Earth are you talking about? Don’t you remember the resounding success of #bringbackourgirls ?? Boko Haram lies prostrate beneath the feet of Michelle Obama even as I write.

  41. Semi-Hemi says:
    @Justvisiting

    I used to think living in clown world was going to be fun but now I’m starting to worry. The same stupid types that run the elections also have tons of nukes and other ways to kill us all.

  42. @Tulip

    Alan Fisher:

    From what can be pulled together from local observers, it looks like Bernie Sanders is going to win, Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg are going to do well and former Vice President Joe Biden had a very bad night.

    In other words, the voters again chose the opposite of what the Democratic Establishment wants. We now know what the DNC did in the last election when this happened, and it eludes me why people are trusting them now. On the bright side, these caucuses were run by the most diverse group of officials ever, and headed by a woman named Maundy.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  43. Rahan says:

    The pig-dog revisionist obscurantists will be no match for the people’s candidate!

    Their dog-pig attempts at diverting the objective Hegelian flow of history from its dialectically preordained path cannot overpower glorious proletariat and peasant will to revolution and reclaiming control of the means of debt-erasing and healthcare price-setting!

  44. Mr. Anon says:
    @PhysicistDave

    The company that built the app that crashed is Shadow.

    Democracy dies in Darkness.

    Certainly nothing instills confidence in old-fashioned grassroots Hawkeye Democracy like an entity named “Shadow”. (Think “Shadow Government”).

    “Shadow” was given money by the Buttigieg campaign, and it turns out that it is owned by another outfit named “ACRONYM” which is run by Tara McGowan who is apparently a Buttigieg supporter:

    • Replies: @Dmon
  45. anon[126] • Disclaimer says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    “Trendolizer”?

    Looks sorta like this:

    • LOL: keypusher
  46. Ragno says:

    I will withhold judgment until we hear from Charlotte (nee Charles) Clymer, the first lady of Orthodoxy Enforcement for the DNC.

  47. Bugg says:

    RUSSIANS!

    Robbie Mook will now go by one name, like Prince, Sting or Bono; Mook. Stand up and take a bow, Mook! Great work showing all of us that Dems’ administrative abilities would be overtaxed running lemonade stands, paper routes and 2 car funerals.

    Pretty clear the super delegates saw the possibility of Sanders winning and freaked the fuck out. Plus they have the Rand Corp Man from Gay Mayor ButtPlugs as their VP hopeful. If you’re gonna fix the game, don’t make it so obvious.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  48. Almost half a day and the dems haven’t blamed Cheeto Hitler for sabotaging the Iowa caucuses yet. They really are in disarray. Hell, they haven’t even blamed him for the locusts in Somalia yet, even though it’s easily tied to global warming. Incompetence.

  49. @Laurence Whelk

    With the Trendolizer (TM) in meltdown, I have a sneaking suspicion that the Obama-era term “good glitches” is about to make a comeback.

  50. @black sea

    Hence that old morsel of folk wisdom “It’s a nice place to live,
    but I wouldn’t want to visit there.”

  51. Neoconned says:

    They’re REALLY going all in on this Russia meddling nonsense.

    I don’t even use social media….and I bet there are MILLIONS of older white Midwestern voters who don’t either who had no effect on their vote for Trump.

    Social media isn’t that big an issue in reality….

    • Replies: @Laurence Whelk
  52. Barnard says:
    @Steve Sailer

    You are talking about the hideous wind turbines. Texas is the only state that has more than Iowa. The locals are getting sick of them are starting to fight back.

    https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2019/08/27/midamerican-proposed-turbine-setbacks-would-wipe-out-wind-development/2132245001/

  53. Here is an image of the Shadow app team:

    No caption required.

  54. anon[126] • Disclaimer says:

    Earnest Iowa lady caucuses for Pete Buttigieg, then discovers that he’s gay and is not happy.
    Earnest Iowa lady precinct captain tries to talk her down.

    Democracy in action!

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-iowa-voter-freaks-out-on-buttigieg-precinct-capt-after-finding-out-mayor-pete-is-gay/

  55. @Corn

    I’ve heard that a lot of Illinoisans send their kids to college in Iowa. Iowa State in particular is popular because it has good STEM programs and has relatively low tuition for out-of-staters. Besides, for such a large state, Illinois only has the flagship state university that has a national reputation, and if your kid can’t get in there in-state options aren’t that great.

    • Replies: @Corn
    , @Buck Turgidson
  56. donut says:
    @Laurence Whelk

    Dan Akroyd used to do sell trendolizer in his late night infomercials on SNL .

  57. J1234 says:

    “Both Republicans and foreign actors, like Russia, have an incentive to divide the American electorate and may try to use the Iowa Caucus to further that goal,” the DNC wrote in a “counter disinformation update” sent to campaigns on Thursday.

    If those Russians could only immigrate here illegally, they’d lose their “foreign actor” status and cease to be a problem for the fair election obsessed Democrats. They could even proudly display the Russian flag at American soccer games if they wanted to. Republicans, on the other hand, now have the social standing of foreign agents because Democrats are just now starting to understand that Mussolini and Hitler didn’t lose WW2, they won by starting fascist sleeper cells that grew to scores of millions of Trump voters in 2016.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    , @Hypnotoad666
  58. J.Ross says:

    [mocking, aristocratic laughter]
    The weed of crime bears bitter fruit. Who knows what the hell just happened in Iowa? The Shadow knows!
    https://postimg.cc/kRVVBvcx
    https://postimg.cc/HJCbRRtF

  59. In much of America, the places which you would never recommend as a travel destination tend to be among the nicer places to actually live.

    “It’s a nice place to live, but I wouldn’t want to visit.”

    Some nice places hide behind an unattractive name– e.g., Mound, Minnesota or Brick, New Jersey.

    Fly Creek is just outside Cooperstown and more affordable, if you’re a baseball and/or history nut looking to retire somewhere.

    Cypress Hill and parallel avenues (Mountain View, Evergreen, Garden View) in “the Azalea City” offer the opposite experience.

  60. El Dato says:
    @Anon 2

    RIGHT!

    The muppet-lead nation islamified from the south and the muppet-lead nation islamified from the east with the guys that get regularly annexed and currently brownnose Cruise Missile Provider Friend USA will lead. All in thrall to the European Central bank.

    Got it!

    Well, France can still build nuclear reactors, they have that going at least.

    • LOL: bomag
  61. BB753 says:

    The DNC’s caucus needs UN supervision, like a Banana Republic. Oh, wait…

  62. Positive alternative hashtags sound like the lamest things imaginable.

    You’d think they might up their game with emojis 😉

    I’ve learned when communicating with my young colleagues to sprinkle in a few smileys and winks, because they tend to view text-only as unfriendly😐, if not downright hostile. 😒

    • Replies: @Corn
  63. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    This is where the coalition of the fringes begins to split up. Each group wants its own stuff, and they’re going to attack each other group’s leader viciously in the violent greed-grab. I’ve always said the in-fighting among the Democrats is going to be the big political story after Hillary was out of the way.

    The fact that they are not able to rally decisively around one candidate this time like Obama or Hillary is going to be a source of major civil war among the Democrats, and it’s an indicator that their coalition is coming apart. Each faction is refusing to give way to the others, and that will tend to lead to angry rejected candidates running 3rd party.

    If Sanders doesn’t get the nomination, I think it’s likely he’ll run 3rd party because this is his last shot at the top because of his age. Ditto Bloomberg for the same reasons. Both Bloomberg and Sanders are really party outsiders who haven’t been Democrats for very long, and they have no loyalty to the party. They became Democrats solely for opportunistic reasons. If they lose their opportunity inside the party, they’ll try regain it outside the party.

    Warren is a party creature, but she’ll be 75 in 2024, and that’s too old and she knows it. She may run 3rd party too. Biden’s too much of a party guy to try it, but I can see him being very tempted to do it if the party gives the nomination to Warren or Bloomberg, because he’s been running for the presidency for decades now, and he feels it’s his shot this time.

  64. ic1000 says:
    @PhysicistDave

    > The company that built the app that crashed is Shadow.

    The Washington Post has a 34-paragraph article, ‘It kind of failed us’: With eyes of the world on Iowa, another hiccup in American democracy that digs into this question exhaustively in its 13th paragraph:

    Representatives for Shadow, the Democratic tech firm that developed the app, didn’t respond to a request for comment. A spokesman for Buttigieg’s campaign also didn’t immediately respond.

    Meanwhile, lightweight right-wing fake-news website The Daily Caller tries to play catchup on this story with Clinton Campaign Veterans Run Firm That Built The Disastrous Iowa Caucus Phone App.

    The firm behind the phone app that caused delays in reporting the results of the Iowa Democratic caucus is operated by three Hillary Clinton campaign veterans.

    The firm has also done business during the 2020 election cycle with Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg’s campaign.

    Iowa Democrats intended to use the app, created by Shadow Inc., to make it easier for the state’s 1,700-odd precincts to report the results of their individual caucuses… The Iowa Democratic Party… had kept the identity of the app creator a secret in recent weeks…

    HuffPost… reported that Shadow Inc. was behind the app. ACRONYM, a Democrat-linked technology and campaign consulting nonprofit group, owns Shadow Inc.

    … The CEO of Shadow Inc., Gerard Niemira, was the director of product on Clinton’s campaign, his LinkedIn profile says.

    Ahna Rao, the product manager for Shadow Inc., was the special assistant to the chief technology officer on Clinton’s campaign, according to her LinkedIn profile.

    Krista Davis, the chief technology officer at Shadow, was a software engineer on Clinton’s campaign, according to her LinkedIn profile.

    [continues]

    Democracy Dies In Darkness.

  65. Lol. This is so perfectly AWFL:

    Biden is so, so toast.

  66. Positive alternative hashtags sound like the lamest things imaginable.

    Must be making a play for Osteen voters.

  67. @MEH 0910

    My first thought as well

    Perfect aim

    Whole lot of ties between Shadow and CIA Pete

    Burn After Reading all the way down

  68. @Ragno

    My first take looking at the pic was that it was Louise Mensch. Louise should be a special guest on MSNBC and CNN today, having a grand old time blaming the Russians!!!! for the clusterfuck in Iowa.

  69. neprof says:
    @HammerJack

    I don’t feel sorry for Sanders one bit. After the 2016 campaign when it was clear to everyone that Hillary and Co. had shafted him, he still bent over and endorsed her. If you won’t stand up for yourself, you won’t stand for anything. Beta man all the way.

    • Agree: Coemgen
  70. @Barnard

    You are talking about the hideous wind turbines. Texas is the only state that has more than Iowa. The locals are getting sick of them are starting to fight back.

    I-65 between Gary and Indianapolis has a frighteningly large wind farm. I wonder how much of the blame goes to Purdue.

    Windmills used to be handsome:

    [MORE]


  71. keypusher says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    So were castles, thatched roofs, red phone boxes, Checker cabs and lots of other things that survived as tourist attractions after they had lost their original purpose. Those wind turbines are for power generation, not decorating the scenery. But they’re prettier than strip mines.

    The locals are getting sick of them are starting to fight back.

    They’ll lose.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    , @Reg Cæsar
  72. @Reg Cæsar

    “Windmills used to be handsome”

    Also, non-lethal.

    https://youtu.be/T1jSEpEV4D0

    • Replies: @Muggles
  73. “Robby Mook, Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign manager, says misinformation makes Facebook money. …”

    Ha! This mook’s name is actually Robbie Mook. Sometimes, life just gives you a moment…….

    • LOL: ben tillman
  74. MG says:

    What are the odds the Iowa app was coded by Indian H-1Bs who we’re told are ‘geniuses’ we can’t do without?‬

    • Replies: @JimB
  75. @Reg Cæsar

    “Windmills used to be handsome.” Agree. The only true windmill is the Dutch variety which is not only handsome but functions as a mill which actually grinds grain into a usable form. The traditional windmill found in large numbers on the farms and ranches of America was never designed to grind grain but instead to pump water. Those in the know called them wind pumps. At one time in my life I collected wind pumps mainly in Texas. I once owned two magnificent Samson wind pumps which had 20ft diameter vanes and had a gearbox which weighed 2800 pounds. I eventually sold them both. If traveling east from Austin about 25 miles, one can be viewed on the south side of the highway and now displays the First National Bank logo on the tail.

    • Replies: @JRB
    , @Desiderius
    , @Anonymous
  76. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Meet the Shadow team

    I’m guessing the one on the left is Semirhage?

  77. BenKenobi says:
    @J1234

    Nobody ever expects The White Shadow!

  78. @Barnard

    “You are talking about the hideous wind turbines. Texas is the only state that has more than Iowa.”

    Ugly avian slaughterhouse contraptions, far less energy-intensive than oil, coal, natural gas, or nuclear. Their height mandates red pulsating lights flash all night long: another source of aesthetic pollution.

    Crude oil is a renewable resource, continuously created by the Earth. That’s why proven reserves exceed 100 years now whereas proven reserves stood at 30 years back in peak oil [sic] 1990s. We will never run out, so long as we retain the knowledge and technology to discover, extract, and refine it.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  79. Polynikes says:
    @Steve Sailer

    They’ll soon be replaced, or at least supplemented, with giant 2,000 acre solar farms.

  80. J.Ross says:
    @Desiderius

    You beat me to it. How does someone screw up a coin toss?

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Desiderius
  81. @Buzz Mohawk

    This latest debacle is a perfect example of Progressivism in action. The Iowa Caucus was a traditional institution that was undoubtedly flawed in some respects but worked fine.

    Naturally, the Dems could not resist trying to “fix” this all-white, local, traditional institution with an infusion of social engineering, complexity, technology and “democracy.” After all, messing with complex, long-standing institutions never had unintended consequences, right?

  82. It looks like Creepy Uncle “Quid Pro” Joe is headed to the glue factory straight out of the gates.

    God bless President Trump for exposing Biden’s self-enriching corruption in Ukraine. Otherwise, registered Democrats like myself may have inadvertently nominated a criminal, thus prompting a consitutional crisis on day one of his Administration.

    When the primaries make their way up here to the PNW, my vote goes to Elizabeth Warren, the only scientifically verified Person of Color left in the race.

  83. JRB says:
    @Simply Simon

    Dutch windmills were multi-purpose. They were used for pumping, grinding, sawing and crushing things. In the period between 1620 and 1780 they were basically the engines of their times. Between 1780 and 1920 they were gradually replaced by first steam engines, later combustion engines and electrically powered machines, but only when the alternatives became cheaper to invest in and to run.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  84. Corn says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    My sister went to St. Ambrose University in Davenport. I don’t know what it’s like now but was a good school at the time (late 90s-early 00s).

  85. @El Dato

    “[U]se any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them),” they read.

    Who wrote that when, where and to whom and why?

    I believe this is from The Protocols of the Elders of Russia.

    Attempts to challenge the provenance of the Protocols are further evidence of the conspiracy itself, and must be suppressed as disinformation. If you fail to acknowledge the truth of the conspiracy then Russia wins! You wouldn’t want that, would you? Or maybe you would . . . in which case you are disinformation and must be suppressed.

    • LOL: ben tillman
  86. Next version of Dem-primary smartphone app will replace vote-counting capability with same-day processing of coin tosses.

    • LOL: ben tillman
  87. @El Dato

    And WHO, pretty please, are “the Russians?” Do they have names? Where do they operate from? Russia? Or the US? If the latter, what does our (cue in laugh track) “intelligence agencies” have to say?

    The world awaits an answer.

  88. @PhysicistDave

    With all respect, reporting and adding three (!) numbers from caucus sites really doesn’t seem overwhelming. If it were up to me I would have had the precinct boss email an Excel sheet in a standardized template with the results (along with a picture of a signed certification), and then merge the data into one master Excel doc.

    So what if there were 1,700 precincts or whatever. This whole operation is far less complicated than the weekly payroll for a mid-sized company. It’s really not beyond the competence of even the Democratic party.

    If any facts are allowed to come out, it will be revealed that somebody connected got millions to design and implement this FUBAR. It’s some combination of nepotism, cronyism, and “diversity” at work. Which is exactly the business model the Democrats intend to use to run our new socialist economy.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    , @anon
    , @Jack D
  89. @Buzz Mohawk

    And they probably all have Ivy/Forbes Top Twenty degrees.

  90. @dearieme

    Haven’t been to Iowa since I was a kid but this past summer had the opportunity to drive from CT to Chicago via I-80/90 and back and went through northern Ohio and Indiana. Flat, yet beautiful–all that farm country! Sad to see some farms abandoned though. Really sad.

  91. Pericles says:

    Re: Iowa, I hope the Democrats will obey the popular vote this time. The winner might look illegitimate otherwise.

  92. David says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    In high school, I noticed that girls carry their notebooks clasped with both hands to their chests and boys carry their notebooks in one hand at their sides. I searched this and I seem to be alone in thinking so.

    But to me, all the men in that team are carrying their laptops like girls.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    , @Desiderius
  93. Pericles says:

    Re. Iowa. Is this the second time in a row that Malta derails a US national election?

  94. anon[343] • Disclaimer says:

    DIVERSE TEAMS GET BETTER RESULTS

  95. @Thulean Friend

    (Practically) Every. Single. Time.

  96. @Ragno

    Looks as if Charlotte (ne Charles) Clymer’s boobs are overdue for their 6,000 mile rotation.

  97. @HammerJack

    An unholy merging of elements from the Clinton mafia and the Obama cult created a private cyber espionage company called Shadow (these drama queens can’t keep it in their pants). The target, obviously, was Bernie. Democratic elites seem intent on allowing Joe to continue his wanderings even though they know he’s toast. Their Schiff-size eyeballs are affixed on anyone who can beat the grumpy old Jew.

  98. @black sea

    To escape the madness I would definitely move to the “Heartland” but snow, ice, tornadoes, 90 degrees and 100% humidity. California jackasses are weather wussies.

  99. @Anon

    Now it appears the company that makes the mobile voting software is called “Shadow”, you can’t make this stuff up.

    Oh, they can and they do.

    I tend to agree with the idea that the people involved in this kind of stuff do it because they get off on it.

    They really do believe they are so much smarter and cleverer than us poor deplorable rubes.

  100. @dearieme

    Born and raised in Iowa and lived there as recently as last year. Not a bad place to raise a family–the Des Moines area is booming. Northwest Iowa still has Steve King as a representative. It’s not too expensive and most of the public schools are still acceptable.

    But the climate is brutal. Long cold winters and hot summers. And the state is getting more and more “diverse.” Lots of Mexican workers in meat packing plants and agriculture. An illegal Mexican farm worker murdered a U of I co-ed in Brooklyn, Iowa in 2018, but the response was seemingly to double down on the affinity for Mexicans. I increasingly heard Spanish on construction sites.

    I’m an expat now, so perhaps I’m not the best judge of things. If you can tolerate extreme weather conditions Iowa might be for you. It’s better than most of the alternatives.

  101. What are the odds the Iowa app was coded by Indian H-1Bs who we’re told are ‘geniuses’ we can’t do without?‬

    Speaking of coding and Indians, a Navajo “code talker” has just passed away at 96. How many are left?

    https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2020/02/03/flags-on-navajo-nation-lowered-to-honor-deceased-code-talker/?utm_source=clavis

    A friend’s father was a cryptologist in Europe in the last year of WWII. He’d also be 96, but died a few years back. He was still chisel-plowing on his farm into his 90s.

    He said he and his colleagues were the safest guys in the war. The Army Air Corps arranged that they never came close to harm’s way.

    • Replies: @anon
  102. anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    The women on either end do a lot of coordinating and image making and interfacing with concerned communities. The guy on the right sorta kinda maintains something, maybe the coffeemaker and a server. The girl in the front noodles around with Ruby on Rails and is perpetually “exhausted”.

    The nerd in the back-middle does all the real coding and he’s heavily overscheduled.

  103. @HammerJack

    In other words, the voters again chose the opposite of what the Democratic Establishment wants.

    Looking at the markets (holy shit TSLA!) and how gold was clubbed like a baby seal, I believe this is exactly what the Establishment desired in the event Iowa voters went against the Narrative and chose Bernie.

  104. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Suck it, James Damore! Who says women can’t code.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  105. @Steve Sailer

    Iowa is mildly scenic, with pleasant rolling hills unlike dead flat Illinois…

    For what it’s worth, Dubuque has a working funicular. Can your city say that?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Paleo Liberal
  106. @Desiderius

    Look at all those gleeful goodwhites that can’t wait to flush their civilization and country down the tubes.

  107. anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Speaking of coding and Indians, a Navajo “code talker” has just passed away at 96.
    How many are left?

    Not many. They came from multiple nations. There were Comanche on the D-Day beaches, for example.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_talker

    The Navajo code-talk remains the only battlefield code that was never broken. Although the Japanese thought they could do it when they figured out the truth about Sgt. Joe Kieyoomia, of the 200th Coast Artillery, Prisoner of War:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Kieyoomia

    He was a survivor of the defense of Bataan. Survivor of the Bataan death march. Survivor of Japanese prison camps. Survivor of a Hell ship. Survivor of the atomic bombing of Nagasaki.

    And then…he got to go home.

  108. “[U]se any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them),” they read.

    The guidance had been circulated among a group of Russians who were covertly running a vast network of social media accounts seeking to divide Democrats and push the candidacy of Donald Trump. (The instructions were later found during special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.)

    I know that this is old news but I still can’t believe that a lot of people fall for this. There was a special prosecutor investigating foreign “interference” in the election that – even if was everything that it was purported to be – amounted to criticizing politicians on Facebook or Twitter. The Russians manipulate the U.S. by posting crap on Facebook.

  109. @Hypnotoad666

    Various sources are claiming that the Bernie folks took cell phone photos of the final count in every single precinct and forwarded them to Bernie HQ. When they compared them to the preliminary “official” count in several locations they saw that the “app” changed the results. Then allegedly the Bernie lawyers contacted the DNC and promised to expose the scam. _Then_ the “counting” had to stop.

    One source:

    • Thanks: bomag
  110. @El Dato

    The company has hired former intelligence officials

    The Company

    Heh

  111. lysias says:
    @J.Ross

    One way to screw up a coin toss is with a weighted coin.

  112. @J.Ross

    Screw up?

    Dot Indian fleeces credulous AWFLs. Dog bites man.

  113. J.Ross says:

    ERIC CIAMARELLA
    IS THE NAME OF THAT FELLA
    THAT NAME AGAIN
    IS ERIC CIAMARELLA
    https://postimg.cc/21Rm1Dj3

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  114. My understanding is that they lost security on the PINs* because they were printed on tally sheets which people started tweeting. That combined with Bernie having observers everywhere recording raw totals unlike 2016, messing up DNC/CIA efforts to massage results.

    * – with the app itself stupidly made publicly downloadable.

  115. Jack D says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Never ascribe to malevolence that which can be ascribed to stupidity.

    Don’t these ladies and neckbeards have grandmas? All someone needed to do was to tell them that they had to test their app out on their grandmas first (and on their Ethiopian cleaning lady). If Granma and Nyala could, without assistance, download and install the app and use it to report test data results 100% of the time, they would be good to go.

    Otherwise, back to the drawing board.

    Granma’s first question would be “What’s an app?” and then things would go downhill from there.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  116. @The Wild Geese Howard

    A look at her resume doesn’t suggest any actual experience coding after learning SQL in the 2005-09 timeframe. She’s mostly been in a management role:

    https://www.hellonellwyn.com/about/

  117. Jack D says:
    @Bugg

    As Trump says, these are the same people who would like to run our entire health care system. The “app” that you will use to sign up for a doctor’s appointment will be written by the same clowns. Next appointment available: July 13, 2026 – would you like morning or afternoon? Then you will call the 800 number to protest that you will be dead by then and they will put you on hold for 2 hours. After 2 hours they will hang up on you and you will have to call back and be put at the end of the queue.

  118. fnn says:

    The FBI has it on good authority that Tom Perez was bragging about this conspiracy in a bar. The Australian ambassador overheard the whole thing.— Joe (@Joe21235278) February 4, 2020

  119. @David

    “I noticed that girls carry their notebooks clasped with both hands to their chests and boys carry their notebooks in one hand at their sides. I searched this and I seem to be alone in thinking so.”
    That is my experiential observation as well, both as a student and 25 yrs teaching. As to the men in the photo, as Spicoli would say, “those guys are fags!”

  120. anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    Does anyone believe this was really an accident? A canceled poll showing Sanders in the lead, a voting error that allows all of Sanders’s opponents to give pseudo victory speeches in front of a large audience, a delay in announcing the winner while the media tells the public that it’s time to move on and have a do over in New Hampshire … seems obvious. The app was created by a group called Shadow and partly funded by Pete Butt., a guy with security establishment ties, or so goes the theory.

  121. anon[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon 2

    Macron … Poland, Germany, and France will lead Europe

    The rest of Europe might have a problem with that. Also, the Poles, unlike Macron, believe their country exists and has a culture worth preserving. His statement sounds more like a desperation move to bring in his rivals before the whole things collapses. They really should have compromised with David Cameron. A Europe for native Europeans could have worked. A Europe for bureaucrats who rule over infinite diversity while stoking resentment against the prole masses isn’t as appealing.

  122. Coalition of the fringes goodness from the Daily Mail:

    But as this clip shows one unidentified woman tried to get her vote back after hearing the news he is married to his partner of five years, Chasten.

    In the footage she asks Buttigieg precinct captain, Nikki van den Heever: ‘Are you saying that he has the same-sex partner? Pete?’

    When Heever replies ‘yes’, the woman responds: ‘Are you kidding? Then I don’t want anybody like that in the White House. So can I have my card back?’

  123. SC Rebel says:

    The vote totals are coming soon!

    Translation: They finally figured out a way to prop up Biden and screw Bernie.

  124. J.Ross says:

    Pete J Buttigieg is the new Patrick J Buchanan:

    • Replies: @SC Rebel
  125. Rob says:

    Ahna Rao, the product manager for Shadow Inc., was the special assistant to the chief technology officer on Clinton’s campaign, according to her LinkedIn profile.

    I wonder if she is related (closer than jatti) to Saira Rao of Race to Dinner? I think Saira may need serious political connections if my suspicion that Race2Dinner is a pyramid scheme is correct.

  126. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    The truth is more boring than this. It was likely elderly people, clueless about apps, who exposed some unanticipated corner-cases in the code.

    You probably had junior-level, “Learn to Code” women developers, who failed to appreciate that the average age of the Iowa Caucus users would be approximately 75, not 25. Apparently, what caused the issue was a final step, which required uploading an image with the user’s phone. Shadow, Inc probably had an issue correlating transactions in a SQL database with uploading the photo to a separate cloud system. Having an 80 year-old hitting back a dozen times probably did not help this.

    A similar thing likely happened with the Iowa poll a few days ago. One of the call center employees had magnified the font size on their screen so much, it had cut off names on the poll. That screams geriatric.

  127. Dmon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Does that say “Peter for America”? Seriously, great showing by Buttgieg – terrific comeback after being in such a deep hole. I honestly didn’t think he’d pull it out.

    • LOL: Mr McKenna
  128. anon[220] • Disclaimer says:

    I think the results are fraudulent. There is no way that gay Buttigieg won Iowa.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @SC Rebel
  129. @Jack D

    Why all the drama? The Dems are just working on C.P.T. which should be quite familiar to anyone who’s dealt with government ‘workers’ in any capacity. And as you say, if they have their way this sort of ‘performance standard’ will become the norm throughout our society as we descend ever-further into third-world status.

    Not every country gets to be a ‘first-world’ country, you know. Why act so privileged?

  130. @Hapalong Cassidy

    And for college students who prioritize social opportunities, Iowa City has a vigorous bar/adult beverage night life scene. ‘Raging’ as we used to say.

  131. Jack D says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Iowa has 99 counties. You have each county HQ compile the results for its precincts – an average of 17 – as you say you could do it with a spreadsheet and emails or phone calls. You then divide the state into 4 quadrants and 25 counties each call into their regional HQ. And finally the 4 regions report to central HQ. As you say, it’s less complex than doing the payroll for HyVee and they do that every week.

    • Replies: @anon
  132. @anon

    1. The guy has been running for president for over a year and gets a lot of press — and this lady was not just considering her options but already CAUCASING for him. How uninformed and clueless is the woman not to know that Mayor Anal Prolapse is a sexual deviant?

    2. Good for her for at least reacting in a normal manner when she found out about his unhealthy, nonproductive, and (literally) filthy “lifestyle.”

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    , @SC Rebel
  133. vinteuil says:
    @Jack D

    If the Democrats were TRYING to give the appearance of vote fraud, they couldn’t have done it any better.

    Well said.

  134. Muggles says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Eh? The one I visited on a trip to Holland looked better from a distance. Quaint. They now rent these for homes to live in, very popular I’m told. Much fixed up.

    Inside the old ones like from 100 years ago, not so good. Cramped, noisy, multi level with narrow twisting stairs, somewhat dangerous with rotating gears in the open. When milling, full of bugs. Not so good. The photo inside of a supposed typical windmill dwellers family from the 19th century was appalling.

    Think Appalachia, not Amsterdam. They all looked, ahem, somewhat slow, as our guide laughingly told us. Practical for grinding and powering water pumps, but like many old things, better in rosy memory than reality.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  135. @Jack D

    Yes, we can, proud Angelenos that we are. It’s called Angels Flight and we live nearby.

    But shouldn’t we also mention that Angels Flight crashed and KILLED a person in 2001?

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2002-jun-04-me-angels4-story.html

    The current owner’s website has a History section that conveniently skips that little nugget, and indeed the entire period from 1996 through 2013:

    https://www.angelsflight.org/history/

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  136. Muggles says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, the IRS style customer service for all. For everything. Forever. Just like in sunny Britain and Canada. All of your needs provided by the State.

    Hop on board, get your queue number now. Now taking number 759, next up!

  137. Muggles says:

    Funniest thing about the entire Iowa caucus coverage.

    The first time I ever heard CNN and Fox news talkers both use the same exact word for something, over and over: “fiasco.”

    Who says we can’t all get along.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  138. @JRB

    If you’re in Amsterdam and have had enough dope shops and brothel windows, take a short train trip (17 minutes from Central station to Zaandijk – Zaanse Schans) and a pleasant 15 minute walk up the Zaan to the Zaanse Schans, which has a neat collection of working windmills.

    My favourite is the sawmill, De Gekroonde Poelenburg, which cuts planks from tree trunks.

    https://www.dezaanseschans.nl/en/discover/windmills/

  139. anon[177] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Iowa has 99 counties.

  140. Hibernian says:

    Overseeing all things technology for the DNC is Nell Thomas.

    Who ought to be in hiding.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Mr McKenna
  141. I can see why the Des Moines Register poll had to be killed. It might have shown that Buttgig was nowhere near the top. And it was the Buttgig camp that killed the poll. And now an out of nowhere win for the CIA asset. I’m not a fan of most conspiracy theories but this just stinks to high heaven.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  142. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, CHARLES LINDBERGH!

    You should have run for President in 1940

    F*** Franklin Roosevelt

  143. @Reg Cæsar

    I’ve ridden that a few times.

    Dubuque is a nice city to visit. There is a small shopping area right below the funicular.

    It seems that was built so a rich guy who lived on top of the hill could have an easier time going up and down.

  144. @Jack D

    As Trump says, these are the same people who would like to run our entire health care system.

    Alternatively, they could get some ideas from some of the numerous nations that have comprehensive health care systems rather than rely on a couple of homegrown computer nerds working out of their parents’ garage.

  145. @Jack D

    I’ve spent the past 20 years as a computer programmer.

    Some of the time, including now, I have fixed other people’s mistakes.

    It is almost impossible to imagine some of the things I have seen.

    One example — I can’t say who, because of an NDA — was redoing an online web store in early 2000.

    The person who wrote the database made simple mistakes, such as not requiring the username or password to be unique, and permitting NULL values. So multiple customers could have the same username, often with different passwords. Or even a blank username. Anyone see any problems?

    The DBA assumed the programmer would fix it. The programmer assumed the DBA would fix it. Nobody tested it before it went live.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Mr McKenna
  146. It has all worked out rather well for Trump in terms of putting Biden on the defensive.

    Biden has yet to come out and properly explain what was going on with his son getting a $50,000 per month do-nothing job at Burisma. Possibly Biden has already decided that at the end of the day loyalty to his son is more important than obtaining high office.

    Otherwise he could just come out and say that he was totally furious when he heard his son had been given a highly paid sinecure at Burisma, but unfortunately his son is a bonehead, and even as VP of the US, like any other father with a wayward son, there was absolutely nothing he could do about it.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    , @Mr McKenna
  147. @Hibernian

    Diversity is their strength.

  148. @Paleo Liberal

    DHS offered to test it but in their paranoia they declined.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  149. Thea says:

    Sanders has amazing self restraint to not just unleash of the party for screwing him again.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  150. @Paleo Liberal

    Sounds like Citibank? Once upon a time I (foolishly) had two accounts whose usernames varied only insofar as one was lower-case and the other upper-case. Guess where this is going. One day Citi programmers decided that usernames would no longer be case-sensitive. Of course they didn’t warn their customers. I was locked out of one of my accounts and they wouldn’t (ever!) let me back in. Try explaining this to someone in Hyderabad, who hates Americans anyway. Finally had to close the account, after getting clobbered with fees. Crappy bank anyway.

  151. @Buzz Mohawk

    If you want to see how well America can be run by the Coalition of the Fringes, …,

    Do not give up the Second Amendment. Even if you own no firearms, the prospect of an unarmed populace is the ultimate wet dream of the Coalition of the Fringes.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk, Ragno
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  152. @Thea

    Sanders has amazing self restraint to not just unleash on the party for screwing him again.

    He really needs to do it. People would respect him for it. Right now he looks like a pathetic schlemiel. He needs an “I paid for this microphone!” moment.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  153. @Hibernian

    The NYT was showing all the rich diversity in the Iowa DNC reps until all of a sudden, everything went south. Then, also all of a sudden, the NYT found a pic showing three white males and posted it front and center.

  154. Days after the 2016 Iowa caucuses, the instructions were clear.

    “[U]se any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them),” they read.

    The guidance had been circulated among a group of Russians …

  155. @J1234

    If those Russians could only immigrate here illegally, they’d lose their “foreign actor” status.

    Like George Soros. (Although he paid full freight to make it legal).

    He’s now as American as apple pie and is just promoting democracy because it’s so good for America.

  156. @PiltdownMan

    Oh man, if that isn’t the Loess Hills I am mistaken, The windmills are a blight, but your picture of the beauty of Iowa, the product of the sacrifice, the hard work, the vision and the spectacular view of what can be done with a naked prairie is well received. Thanks!

  157. @The Wild Geese Howard

    The pic of the Shadow team reveals the reason for their failure: not enough diversity. Dems haven’t yet begun to practice what they preach.

    But speaking sans sarcasm: merely knowing how to code is only a very small part of the skillset required to build and deploy a successful IT project. I think that’s close to the root of the problem here.

    • Replies: @gutta percha
  158. @Simply Simon

    Trump’s on it.

  159. J.Ross says:
    @Desiderius

    Yeah, they were remembering how that went back when they ran DHS.

  160. @gutta percha

    For Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland, the solution to every problem was “Let’s put on a show!” For today’s young people, the solution to every “problem” is “Let’s build an app!” Even when the “problem” is something as simple as reporting, one time, a tiny list of numbers to a central office, a trivial task which previously has rarely been beyond the ability of even rural Democrat Party grass-rooters. Decades ago, Americans knew how to do great things competently. No more.

  161. J.Ross says:
    @anon

    Right, the real lesson, and the reason for the panic, was that the establishment in Biden clearly lost worse than could be spun. Maybe Yang won, probably Sanders, but neither are acceptable. Thus Buttigieg, who screamingly obviously did not win, but who is also not in the same category as Sanders.

  162. @anon

    The funny thing is that the Buttigieg operative is being so sweet and nice to the deplorable woman (“I totally respect your viewpoint . . . “). But that’s only because they are trying to keep her from taking back her signed preference card for Butti-boy.

    If they hadn’t needed something from her, the response would have been: “Shut up bigot! you have no right to speak hate.”

    • Replies: @gutta percha
    , @Hibernian
  163. @Jonathan Mason

    Biden has yet to come out and properly explain what was going on with his son getting a $50,000 per month do-nothing job at Burisma. Possibly Biden has already decided that at the end of the day loyalty to his son is more important than obtaining high office.

    Biden doesn’t have to lift a finger, until and unless the MSM decide he should be answerable. And as the ‘Establishment’ candidate, Biden isn’t bothered by the ‘Establishment’ media.

    That being said, to my knowledge no one is pretending Biden didn’t know what his son was up to.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  164. @Ozymandias

    This is great news. We need to encourage these clusterf**ks. Comrade Bernie and his army will go 3rd party. The DNC is excrement.

  165. @Hypnotoad666

    Even if I wasn’t a bigot, I’d never be able to wrap my head around a news story like “President Buttigieg and First Husband Chasten visited a second-grade classroom today, and read ‘Heather Has Two Daddies’ to the eager tots.”

  166. Coemgen says:
    @keypusher

    If there truly is “global warming” and if “global warming” is truly a problem for life on Earth, I would trust Donald Trump to be the most likely U.S. leader to do something about it. Political ideologues are notoriously ineffective at getting real work done and money movers such as Steyer and propagandists/money movers such as Bloomberg are likely even worse due to their devotion to “Globalism” which is likely the cause of AGW. Forget any real work from Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. Their specialty is backstabbing not getting real work done.

    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    , @keypusher
  167. @RadicalCenter

    But shouldn’t we also mention that Angels Flight crashed and KILLED a person in 2001?

    Since it’s only about 80 yards in length, Angel’s Flight might have the highest fatality rate per mile of any transportation system in the history of the world. That alone should make it an interesting tourist attraction.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  168. @JimB

    And compilable code is not necessarily computationally efficient or 100% bug-free code.

  169. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    The company that built the app that crashed is Shadow.

    Why does anyone need an app to tally caucus votes? This can easily be done with pen and paper, or at most with a spreadsheet.

    The decision to use an “app” is an invitation to malfeasance, probably intentional.

    One of many problems with an “app” (and the associated software at DNC central) is that it will only be used occasionally. The software will not be tested in daily use, and users themselves will not have had an opportunity to familiarize themselves with the nitty-gritty of its operation.

  170. @Mr McKenna

    That’s not as bad as Fidelity’s 401k registration back in 2002.

    They forced you to use your goddamn SSN as your user ID.

    Dafuq?!?

  171. @Harry Baldwin

    He really needs to do it. People would respect him for it. Right now he looks like a pathetic schlemiel. He needs an “I paid for this microphone!” moment.

    Agreed.

    Bernie grew up in a very different America and he’s carrying around some seriously outdated ideas of chivalry and fair play that are not serving him well in the Current Year.

    • Replies: @gutta percha
  172. danand says:
    @Desiderius

    “Watch how Buttigieg ‘randomly’ wins this coin toss”

    Wonder if Buttigieg won over his spouse in a similar manner?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  173. @Mr McKenna

    Biden doesn’t have to lift a finger, until and unless the MSM decide he should be answerable. And as the ‘Establishment’ candidate, Biden isn’t bothered by the ‘Establishment’ media.

    Well, I am just saying that Biden’s pathetic showing in Iowa will continue until the old boy comes clean about the questions everyone has in their minds about him and his playboy son ultimately enriching themselves at the expense of Ukrainian gas consumers.

    He can continue to dodge the issue by pretending to be affronted at vice-presidential lèse majesté but a few more primaries in the same mode and it will be bedtime for Biden.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  174. @The Wild Geese Howard

    Bernie’s “pathetic schlemiel” moment was when he was chased from his podium by two loudmouth progressive female protesters a few years back, and dutifully stood back and had to pretend to listen to the lefty nonsense they spewed. Live by progressivism, die by progressivism.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  175. Any organization that is feminized, liberalized, and queerized is not going to be very adept at technology, a product of Western men.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  176. @Mr McKenna

    When banks make programming errors, it can get extremely expensive.

    I can’t count how many errors I have seen that cost banks hundreds of thousands or even millions of labor to correct a few thousand or tens of thousands of dollars worth of mistakes.

    When regulators get involved, the mistakes get more costly. I have seen banks have to eat over 10 million, in one case over 100 million, because of programming errors.

    Then there was the bank credit card that had to write off the debts of the entire nation of Canada.

  177. Hibernian says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    The nice liberal young lady will be doxxed for speaking the word, “homosexual.”

  178. @danand

    Chasten is a beard.

    CIAPete hasn’t hit puberty yet.

  179. SC Rebel says:
    @J.Ross

    I love it!

    I’m with you lady, no sodomites in the White House!

  180. SC Rebel says:
    @anon

    I’m sure he wasn’t advertising the fact that he is a sodomite. That doesn’t resonate in flyover country.

  181. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:

    Originally, I thought the Iowa results might have been tampered with, but after scanning through a county-by-county breakdown of the results, I don’t think so anymore.

    Important point: Two people are polling unusually strong in Iowa: Buttigieg and Klobuchar. They’re both Midwesterners. Iowa’s a midwest state. If you subtract Pete’s gayness, Iowans voted for people ‘like themselves’ as much as possible. Both Buttigieg and Klobuchar are not as politically radical as most of the rest of the Democratic pack. Coasties and Washington elites are running worse than expected in Iowa, namely guys like Biden, Sanders, and Bloomberg. This trio is also among the oldest in the race. Voters appear to be leaning against the ‘too old’ choice.

    If this pattern is repeated, Biden, Sanders, and Bloomberg are going to bomb in the rest of the Midwest states, which might sink them entirely. It appear Buttigieg might end up with the nomination just as a compromise candidate.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  182. Eagle Eye says:
    @Coemgen

    If there truly is “global warming” and if “global warming” is truly a problem for life on Earth, I would trust Donald Trump to be the most likely U.S. leader to do something about it. ….
    ideologues are notoriously ineffective at getting real work done and money movers such as Steyer … are likely even worse due to their devotion to “Globalism” which is likely the cause of AGW.

    Steyer is personally responsible for a good deal of global warming through excess CO2 emissions. “CO2” Steyer made his money developing massive coking coal operations in Indonesia and elsewhere.

  183. MBlanc46 says:
    @Corn

    If you lopped off Cook County (where I live) Illinois would be Iowa. Okay, maybe the southern tip would be Kentucky.

  184. @Steve Sailer

    But they’ve built a lot of windmills so your long views will depend on how much you like pointy windmills.

    Never were so many views ruined for so few watts.

  185. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @dearieme

    All of the comments on Iowa seem to agree it is very bland and the only praise for the state is that it’s “not a bad place”.
    Sounds perfect to me.
    Remember the old Chinese curse, “May you live in interesting times”.

  186. Thea says:

    A really good campaign tool for the GOP would be “do you really want these people running the health care system?”

  187. Thea says:

    Trump has some amazing telekinetic ability to get the dems to [email protected] up royally. It’s Napoleon’s maxim in action.

    I have to admit I still have no clue who half those people are on that list of candidates. Watching mayor Pete pander to black churches in South Carolina will be fun.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  188. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Simply Simon

    The old Jacobs Wind Electric wind generators and their appliances and accessories are collected by a few people. There were a full selection of household appliances you could get as well as motors, backup gas or diesel gen sets, controllers and switch gear.

  189. @Neoconned

    They’re REALLY going all in on this Russia meddling nonsense.

    The Lefties will never forgive Russia for proving the failure of Communism.

  190. @keypusher

    Those wind turbines are for power generation, not decorating the scenery.

    So were the windmills. You form-follows-function folks forget that form itself has a function.

    The locals are getting sick of them are starting to fight back.

    They’ll lose

    Unless they’re Kennedys. That says it all.

    After 16 Years, Hopes for Cape Cod Wind Farm Float Away

    • Replies: @keypusher
  191. duncsbaby says:
    @Father O'Hara

    Who introduced the blacks?

    I blame the Portuguese.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  192. duncsbaby says:
    @Jane Plain

    Joey ‘Clams’ Scala: [Joey interupts] We’re not payin’, because this guy, this guy’s a fuckin’ mook.

    Jimmy: But I didn’t say nothin’.

    Joey ‘Clams’ Scala: And we don’t pay mooks.

    Jimmy: Mook? I’m a mook?

    Joey ‘Clams’ Scala: Yeah

    Jimmy: What’s a mook?

    Johnny Boy: A mook, what’s a mook?

    Tony DeVienazo: I don’t know…

    Johnny Boy: What’s a mook?

    Jimmy: You can’t call me a mook!

    Joey ‘Clams’ Scala: I can’t?

    Jimmy: No…

    Joey ‘Clams’ Scala: [pause] I’ll give you mook!

    [punches Jimmy in the face]

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070379/quotes/?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu

  193. Coemgen says:

    Des Moines, Iowa(CNN)Days after the 2016 Iowa caucuses, the instructions were clear.

    “[U]se any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them),” they read.

    The instructions were later found during special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    Does anyone know where these instructions were found? In the Mueller Report the source is redacted (HOM – Harm to Ongoing Matter). These “instructions” sound as silly as the nonsense in the Steele Dossier (especially considering how small the Internet Research Agency’s operation was).

  194. @International Jew

    Feh. It’s all horse-shit anyway. I bet there is not a single Kansan or Missourian on the team, so the team did “represent the great state of Kansas” as much as it did the great state of Missouri; it could be said to represent the great state of Maine just as accurately. Just as the “San Francisco” Forty-Niners play in Santa Clara, the Toronto Blue Jays who won the first World Series “for a Canadian team” included not one Canadian. Even the Olympics have become a farce: Kenyans move to Britain and the F.U.S.A. and purport to represent those latter nations best young athletes, but they are really just foreign ringers, parasites and invaders robbing actual American athletes of a chance to participate at all. The idea professional sports teams have any connection to the locale (other than as a locus for them to suck up money and concoct marketing gimmicks) is risible. The Kansas City Chiefs – like all such outfits – represent Kansas City about as much as the local franchise of McDonald’s is “Your hometown diner!” (which it doubtless has purported to be in some wave of advertising or other).

    • Agree: Old Prude, Jim Don Bob
  195. @Hypnotoad666

    The Wall Street Journal has declared the winner of the Iowa caucuses: “New Hampshire”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-hampshire-wins-the-iowa-caucuses-11580859495

    Though it should be noted that much of the MSM are saying that both states need to be jettisoned by virtue of Inadequate Diversity.

  196. Seneca44 says:

    This, from the front page of today’s Washington Post, which has carried enough water for the Democratic party to fill several supertankers:

    “The Democratic Party’s presidential primary has descended into chaos, with early figures showing that its onetime front-runner, a once-formidable former vice president, is politically wounded.

    The Democratic five-alarm fire has begun.”

    Sh*tshow indeed

  197. @Thea

    “Watching mayor Pete pander to black churches in South Carolina will be fun.”

    Watch his victory speech in Iowa. There is a row of black people behind him, then everyone else behind that. The Pete pandering has already begun.

    • Replies: @anon
  198. Brutusale says:
    @duncsbaby

    Sorry, but it was pretty much everyone BUT the Portuguese.

    From Wiki:

    The first African slaves arrived via Santo Domingo to the San Miguel de Gualdape colony (most likely located in the Winyah Bay area of present-day South Carolina), founded by Spanish explorer Lucas Vázquez de Ayllón in 1526.[19]

    The ill-fated colony was almost immediately disrupted by a fight over leadership, during which the slaves revolted and fled the colony to seek refuge among local Native Americans. De Ayllón and many of the colonists died shortly afterwards of an epidemic and the colony was abandoned. The settlers and the slaves who had not escaped returned to Haiti, whence they had come.[19]

    The marriage between Luisa de Abrego, a free black domestic servant from Seville and Miguel Rodríguez, a white Segovian conquistador in 1565 in St. Augustine (Spanish Florida), is the first known and recorded Christian marriage anywhere in what is now the continental United States.[20]

    The first recorded Africans in British North America (including most of the future United States) were “20 and odd negroes” who came to Jamestown, Virginia via Cape Comfort in August 1619 as indentured servants.[21] As English settlers died from harsh conditions, more and more Africans were brought to work as laborers.[22]

    Slaves processing tobacco in 17th-century Virginia, illustration from 1670
    An indentured servant (who could be white or black) would work for several years (usually four to seven) without wages. The status of indentured servants in early Virginia and Maryland was similar to slavery. Servants could be bought, sold, or leased and they could be physically beaten for disobedience or running away. Unlike slaves, they were freed after their term of service expired or was bought out, their children did not inherit their status, and on their release from contract they received “a year’s provision of corn, double apparel, tools necessary”, and a small cash payment called “freedom dues”.[23]

    Africans could legally raise crops and cattle to purchase their freedom.[24] They raised families, married other Africans and sometimes intermarried with Native Americans or English settlers.[25]

    The first slave auction at New Amsterdam in 1655, illustration from 1895 by Howard Pyle[26]
    By the 1640s and 1650s, several African families owned farms around Jamestown and some became wealthy by colonial standards and purchased indentured servants of their own. In 1640, the Virginia General Court recorded the earliest documentation of lifetime slavery when they sentenced John Punch, a Negro, to lifetime servitude under his master Hugh Gwyn for running away.[27][28]

    In the Spanish Florida some Spanish married or had unions with Pensacola, Creek or African women, both slave and free, and their descendants created a mixed-race population of mestizos and mulattos. The Spanish encouraged slaves from the southern British colonies to come to Florida as a refuge, promising freedom in exchange for conversion to Catholicism. King Charles II of Spain issued a royal proclamation freeing all slaves who fled to Spanish Florida and accepted conversion and baptism. Most went to the area around St. Augustine, but escaped slaves also reached Pensacola. St. Augustine had mustered an all-black militia unit defending Spain as early as 1683.[29]

    One of the Dutch African arrivals, Anthony Johnson, would later own one of the first black “slaves”, John Casor, resulting from the court ruling of a civil case.[30][31]

    The popular conception of a race-based slave system did not fully develop until the 18th century. The Dutch West India Company introduced slavery in 1625 with the importation of eleven black slaves into New Amsterdam (present-day New York City). All the colony’s slaves, however, were freed upon its surrender to the British.[32]

    Reproduction of a handbill advertising a slave auction in Charleston, South Carolina, in 1769.
    Massachusetts was the first British colony to legally recognize slavery in 1641. In 1662, Virginia passed a law that children of enslaved women (who were of African descent and thus foreigners) took the status of the mother, rather than that of the father, as under English common law. This principle was called partus sequitur ventrum.[33][34]

    By an act of 1699, the colony ordered all free blacks deported, virtually defining as slaves all people of African descent who remained in the colony.[35] In 1670, the colonial assembly passed a law prohibiting free and baptized negroes (and Indians) from purchasing Christians (in this act meaning English or European whites) but allowing them to buy people “of their owne nation”.[36]

    In the Spanish Louisiana although there was no movement toward abolition of the African slave trade, Spanish rule introduced a new law called coartación, which allowed slaves to buy their freedom, and that of others.[37] Although some did not have the money to buy their freedom that government measures on slavery allowed a high number of free blacks. That brought problems to the Spaniards with the French Creoles who also populated Spanish Louisiana, French creoles cited that measure as one of the system’s worst elements.[38] In spite of that, there was a greater number of slaves as the years passed, as also the entire Spanish Louisiana population increased.

    The earliest African-American congregations and churches were organized before 1800 in both northern and southern cities following the Great Awakening. By 1775, Africans made up 20% of the population in the American colonies, which made them the second largest ethnic group after the English.[39]

  199. Ragno says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Those five women ruined the Iowa caucus!!

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP8bFl_U8AEtTK2?format=jpg&name=small

    Or is it cuckus? No matter.

    No wonder the Third World can’t wait to get here; if this photo is at all representative of American men, even the lowliest brown beggar intuitively grasps that here is a country we can conquer over a three-day weekend.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  200. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ozymandias

    Watch his victory speech in Iowa. There is a row of black people behind him, then everyone else behind that. The Pete pandering has already begun.

    During the Monday fiasco various networks cut to various campaigns. Bootygig had a black woman and man fronting for him for a while, then they introduced him out to the crowd of supporters. It was sorta Arsenio-like, if you know what I’m sayin’, if you catch my drift.

  201. @Muggles

    The first time I ever heard CNN and Fox news talkers both use the same exact word for something, over and over: “fiasco.”

    The rule of opposites–that means it was not a fiasco but was planned….the mass media always lies–every time.

  202. Gordo says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    They are hideous, there is an enormous one south of Glasgow, looks like a mass crucifixion.

    Perhaps that was the effect aimed at.

  203. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    Sanders is doing great and the Midwest is not the whole country.

    Biden is toast unless he has a really big comeback in SC.

  204. anon[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Some D’s worried that the “Never Bernie” thing could become a real problem.

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/01/the-never-bernie-apocalypse-is-coming-dem-insiders-warn/

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  205. keypusher says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    So were the windmills. You form-follows-function folks forget that form itself has a function.

    Nobody thought those windmills, castles, phone booths or cabs were beautiful back when they had a function.

    Unless they’re Kennedys. That says it all.

    Unless they’re rich and they want to use their money to protect their view. And I’m fine with that. There’s only one Cape Cod; there are plains everywhere, and we might as well use them for generating power to go with all that corn.

  206. keypusher says:
    @Coemgen

    US emissions fell 2% last year. Not because of Trump; because coal is uneconomical.

    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/07012020/infographic-united-states-emissions-2019-climate-change-greenhouse-gas-coal-transportation

    If there truly is “global warming” and if “global warming” is truly a problem for life on Earth, I would trust Donald Trump to be the most likely U.S. leader to do something about it. Political ideologues are notoriously ineffective at getting real work done and money movers such as Steyer and propagandists/money movers such as Bloomberg are likely even worse due to their devotion to “Globalism” which is likely the cause of AGW.

    I don’t think Trump can tie his own shoes myself, but this is not a difficult problem. You make carbon more expensive, people use less of it.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  207. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I hope that’s right, but is the Earth actually going to replenish the oil and natural-gas reserves as fast as we consume them? Seems quite unlikely, but I’d like to see discussion from people with technical expertise in the area. (Could be you)

  208. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    Correct. And you absolutely should own firearms.

  209. @Muggles

    There’s also the Canterbury Tale where the the two students trick the Miller’s wife and daughter into sex and the Miller out of the bread he made with the flour he stole from them. All of which bespeaks a certain contempt for millers.

  210. @anon

    From the article:

    A new Iowa State University poll found 24 percent of Iowa voters behind him (Sanders), with Massachusetts Senator Warren at 19 percent, South Bend Ind. Mayor Buttigieg at 17 percent, and former VP Biden with 15 percent.”

    Those numbers are pretty close to the current count, except buttgigger somehow jumped ten percent. I’m not buying it.

  211. @Ragno

    “if this photo is at all representative of American men, even the lowliest brown beggar intuitively grasps that here is a country we can conquer over a three-day weekend.”

    Unfortunately, that is the implicit but emphatic message of vast swathes of the media broadcast daily to the whole world.

  212. @gutta percha

    Agree. Or to put it another way, if he won’t even stand up for himself, what chance is there he will stand up for you?

  213. @The Wild Geese Howard

    What’s really disturbing is that somebody must have thought this was an attractive picture of the team.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  214. @MikeTheMick

    The body language is horrific.

    The unanimous clutching of the laptop computers and refusal to look at the camera screams that these people are-

    insecure, dishonest, fraudulent, lying, cheating, and have something to hide

  215. @keypusher

    If there truly is “global warming” and if “global warming” is truly a problem for life on Earth, I would trust Donald Trump to be the most likely U.S. leader to do something about it.

    The trouble is that no one can be completely certain whether global warming is real (permanent) or whether it is man-made, seeing that there have been numerous climate changes before in the history of the planet with ice ages, global warming, more ice ages, and so on.

    It would seem judicious to assume that it may well be caused by human activity, carbon emissions, clearing of deciduous forest, etc. and to take measures to improve that situation where possible. Unfortunately that requires international accords, agreements, and treaties so that you don’t get a situation where one country is depriving itself materially to reduce emissions, and another is emitting like billy-oh so as to fill the void and enrich itself.

    So far there has been little indication that Trump is concerned, is studying the relevant science, or is providing any kind of international leadership. In fact he has withdrawn the US from the Paris Accords without replacing them with anything better.

    The Paris Accords may not be perfect, but they are the best that we have at the present time, and if they can fairly be improved, then I am all for it.

    Another problem is that when you look at the body language and the press reports from the G7 summits, you do not get the impression that Trump is providing world leadership on this important issue, and in fact it is likely that his America first policies would lead to selfishness rather than global cooperation.

    The biggest problem at the present time is probably not China stealing electric car technology as recently reported, because Tesla, which is the leading US electric vehicle maker, has made all its patents open source in the spirit of developing electric vehicle technology worldwide. See link below.

    https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you

    And here is a report about the Chinese stealing patents, so what is this all about?

    William Evanina, director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center, told the conference China was placing particular priority on stealing US aircraft and electric vehicle technology.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/06/china-technology-theft-fbi-biggest-threat

    The biggest problem is that China is burning vast amounts of dirty coal to produce electricity, and that is something you never hear Trump talking about.

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