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From the Boston Globe:

MFA recasts kimono days after complaints of stereotyping

By Malcolm Gay GLOBE STAFF JULY 07, 2015

In an episode that speaks volumes about cultural institutions, ethnic sensitivity, and the power of protest in the digital age, the Museum of Fine Arts is hastily pulling back on an event that protesters labeled a latter-day form of racist minstrelsy.

MFA officials announced Tuesday they would recast “Kimono Wednesdays,” an attraction scheduled to run throughout July. It is extremely rare for the MFA to change exhibition plans in the wake of protests; it appears such action had not been taken for decades.

Created as a light summer distraction, “Kimono Wednesdays” invited visitors to “channel your inner Camille Monet” by donning museum-provided kimonos and posing for photos in front of Claude Monet’s “La Japonaise,” a painting of the artist’s wife wearing a kimono.

But the event quickly raised the hackles of protesters, who charged that the museum was perpetuating racist stereotypes by presenting Asian culture as quintessentially exotic.

At a celebration for departing MFA director Malcolm Rogers on June 24, a small group of protesters stood vigil. “This is appropriation, this is Orientalism,” read one sign. Rogers himself didn’t seem fazed, telling the Globe, “A little controversy never did any harm.”

But the protesters were back on July 1.

“Asian-Americans in this country have a history of being mis- or underrepresented — they’re either completely absent from the media or only depicted as Kung Fu, exoticized, mystical, dragon ladies, prostitutes, or what have you,” said Christina Wang, 29, who held a sign that read, “Try on the kimono, learn what it’s like to be a racist imperialist !!!today!!!” She added: “This event that the MFA is putting on — asking the public to come don the kimono — is part of that legacy.”

Is “Wang” a Japanese name?

… The protests have been small by almost any standard, with only two protesters showing up last Wednesday (and one person “in support”) to hold signs as patrons tried on the kimonos and posed for pictures. (Suggested hashtag: #mfaBoston.)

Still, their presence made some visitors uncomfortable.

The museum initially stood its ground, presenting staffers with an internal memo defending the event and saying it would continue. “We don’t think this is racist,” states the memo, a copy of which was obtained by the Globe (and by protesters, who posted it online).

But if the protests were small on the ground, the core group of activists garnered wider support online, setting up a Facebook event page and a Tumblr account. And nowhere was the outrage greater than on the MFA’s own Facebook page, where commenters decried the event as “vilely racist” and called for the museum to apologize.

“Just stop,” said Ames Siyuan, 26, a protest organizer, who declared that the MFA can “do better.” “I don’t see how this is arts education. If anything, it perpetuates Halloween costumes of various races.”

Monet’s 1876 painting, which shows his wife, Camille, wearing a blazing red kimono, is thought to be the artist’s wry commentary on the craze for all things Japanese that swept Parisian art circles in the 1870s. Surrounded by fans, Camille posed in a blond wig, an intentional choice to highlight her European descent.

Art historians believe Monet was poking fun at his contemporaries and the movement known as “japonisme.”

People in Parisian art circles in the 1870s were into Japanese styles because they had the world’s best taste.

Today, however, some activists and scholars regard the 19th-century European fascination with Asia in a more sinister light, dubbing it “Orientalism,” a handmaiden of Imperialism whereby nonwestern cultures are reduced to a handful of mysterious traits — unknowable exotics and therefore less human.

“We should have a conversation about Orientalism and why it’s wrong,” said Siyuan.

“Have a conversation” is long for “STFU, YT.”

“They’re perpetuating Orientalism. They don’t give any context. They’re like, try this on, and that’s it. That’s not the way to do it.”

But if the protesters were certain of their message, their meaning was lost on some visitors.

“They’re obviously here to make a point,” said Katelin Hardy, who arrived at the MFA last week intending to try on a kimono. After speaking at length with the protesters, however, she decided to forgo the opportunity, even if she wasn’t “quite sure” about their objections.

“They said everyone was racist,” said Hardy. “Maybe there needs to be a little more context to it, but by the time I was done, we were leaving, and I just couldn’t.”

The kimonos, which are replicas of the garment in the painting, were commissioned by the Japanese broadcaster NHK to accompany “La Japonaise” for the recent traveling exhibit “Looking East”; visitors to museums in Tokyo, Kyoto, and the MFA’s sister museum in Nagoya could try them on as part of the exhibit.

In other words, the Japanese don’t really care about Arab-American Edward Said’s theories of Orientalism. Why? Because Pearl Harbor. If the Arabs had ever pulled off something as technically impressive as that, they wouldn’t care either. (No, hijacking airliners with boxcutters isn’t as cool as building your own aircraft carriers.)

“It was very successful in Japan, and we wanted to provide an opportunity to further the visitor experience in Boston,” said Getchell, who added that the MFA presented an educational talk on the event’s inaugural night. “People really appreciated the opportunity to see the kimonos, to try it on, to feel it, to appreciate its craftsmanship, and to think about what it would be like for a Parisian woman to have worn that at the time for her husband to paint her.”

But Siyuan and Wang say that things are more complicated in the United States, where Japanese and other Asians represent an often-overlooked minority. The event amounted to “cultural appropriation,” Siyuan said.

 
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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Poor liberal-minded multicultural nice white people, it’s getting so damn hard. Note to liberal nice white people multiculturalists: you can only adopt and/or promote certain aspects/elements of other cultures. Others you can’t. You have to learn and constantly be readjusting to micro-aggressions. E.g., you are praised as being tolerant if you promote the food or language of a non-Western culture. But if you as a white person promotes, let’s say, the dress of another non-Western culture, well, you’re a racist and probably have Confederate flags hanging up in your trailer.

    But lest you liberal nice white people think you can avoid crossing some multicultural micro-aggression fine line by not participating in promoting any non-Western culture, you will be viewed intolerant and racist if you don’t promote non-Western cultures and are quick to point out all the flawed and racist and inferior aspects of Western civilization.

    And sorry liberal multicultural nice white people, but can’t reason this apparent contradiction out. In fact, if you find any contradiction and use reason, you are a racist. So says liberal multicultural Syracuse University philosophy professor, John Caputo. Reason itself is a white male construct, don’t you know?! http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/03/professor-reason-itself-is-a-white-male-construct/

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  2. Ed says:

    Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests. They are empty and shrill. Most started by people looking to make a name for themselves. Protesting in Facebook or Twitter requires minimal investment of time. The fact that a few protestors showed up should have clued the museum on this protest bring about nothing. Once you cave into the mob they’ll keep demanding more.

    The social justice warriors are like modern day terrorists.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Except they haven't killed anybody. It's really terrible that you would compare a bunch of non-violent people who simply have a different ideology than you to a bunch of people who have killed thousands in the United States.
    , @iSteveFan

    Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests
     
    They usually do when it comes to Christians. Weren't the piss Christ and elephant-dung Mary exhibits shown despite significant protests?
    , @NOTA
    Social media makes it easy to whip up a large group of apparent supporters of your cause. Many may be sockpuppets, or people who retweet or support every protest on their side without even knowing what the protest is about.
    , @Anon
    "Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests. "

    You're missing the more important point.

    INSTITTIONS ARE THE VERY POWERS THAT ENFORCE AND SPREAD THESE PC SANCTIMONIES.
    , @AnAnon
    most do get ignored, but throw enough crap at the wall and something sticks.
  3. Two protesters showed up and they won. Why don’t people on our side protest? I know most people on our side have jobs but still.

    • Replies: @Ex Machina
    We could have a million people show up to protest and it wouldn't move the needle in the least. See, e.g., Tea Parties circa 2009/10. Reality-based whites are simply ignored, no matter how many gather and now matter how loudly we yell.
    , @Trumpenprole
    It looks like these ladies have found a chink in our armor!
    , @Ragno

    Why don’t people on our side protest?
     
    Because, unfortunately, you need money to live and support your family. THEY can cajole, shriek, threaten and endlessly ballbust - and never once have to sweat out how an employer might react. WE can't, because we'll get back to the office to find our desks already cleared out.

    Go acquaint yourself with the fallout of the gay-baker case in Oregon, in case any of the above was too vaguely worded for you.
  4. So I take it these SJW Asian Whinebags are going to start picketing Anime Conventions and squeal because cosplayers are “culturally appropriating” Japanese culture by dressing up in plus size fukus, buying Cheap Chinese plastic handle samurai swords, and calling each other “baka gaijin”. When do they start banning performances of “The Mikado” and start dancing around bonfires containing Charlie Chan DVDs?

    They took what could have been a fun and lovely event and turned it into yet another showcase for their raging Narcissism. The only thing they succeeded in raising awareness of was how bound and determined Social Justice Warriors are to destroy any happiness they come across.

    (By the way, I used to hang out with a lot of Japanese/Asian exchange students in college and they were always thrilled when I took an interest in their culture, music and ways of dress. They even helped me make my own kimono. These “Asian Activists” probably couldn’t even tell the nation of origin for any given Asian name, and probably couldn’t tell the difference between an kimono and a yukata….)

    What I want to know is. when do Americans start picketing Asian-American people’s homes and demanding they stop wearing T-Shirts and Jeans and eating hamburgers? Practically everything they use on a daily basis is an example of “culturally appropriating” Western-invented goods and services. What I want to know is how long do I have to share the planet with these pinch-faced, fun-killing church ladies?

    • Replies: @Half Canadian
    When non-westerners adopt western ways, it is cultural imperialism. When westerners adopt non-western ways, it is cultural appropriation.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    What I want to know is how long do I have to share the planet with these pinch-faced, fun-killing church ladies?
     
    Book 'em an airline ticket from Fukuoka to Yuendumu. They might get the message when they look at the bag tags.
  5. The Japanese have been experts at “cultural appropriation” for centuries — ever since the Heian period, when the Japanese imported everything from reading and writing to Zen Buddhism from China, which they (being intelligent folks) correctly saw as more culturally advanced than they. They later “appropriated” a little more from Portuguese and Dutch traders, then again much more from the West at the start of the Meiji period. Very soon after that, in the Showa period, they “appropriated” aircraft carriers.

    The Vietnamese “appropriated” Latin script from the Portuguese to help differentiate their culture from that of big bad China to the north. And now, aren’t the Chinese themselves “appropriating” iPods and other toys from the West, along with stock exchanges and skyscrapers (though, apparently, not democracy)?

    The MFA should tell their resentnik SJW critics to start reading history books and to get a life, but our urban elf museum curators “lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity”.

    • Replies: @Crassus

    … SJW critics… start reading history books and to get a life.
     
    SJWs writing for The New York Times also need to bone up on STEM knowledge. Yesterday some lady wrote When Algorithms Discriminate for NYT, arguing that the tech industry should hire more women. Deconstructed, the article is actually about a female tech writer floundering to figure out what 'algorithm' means (the word is used thirteen times in the article) before ultimately giving up.

    Main takeaway from that article: The New York Times should use an algorithm next time they hire a tech writer.)
  6. Is “Wang” a Japanese name?

    Well, at least she’s of the epicanthic Asian group and could pass for Japanese. While in one of the pictures in the article one of the “Asian” protestors is East Indian. Definitely not oriental. Btw, when and why oriental become pejorative?

    • Replies: @Anon
    "one of the pictures in the article one of the “Asian” protestors is East Indian"

    could be dotters have a sense of humor.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    "Btw, when and why oriental become pejorative?"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism_%28book%29

    "Orientalism (1978), by Edward Said, is a critical study of the cultural representations that are the bases of Orientalism, the West’s patronizing perceptions and fictional depictions of “the East” — the societies and peoples who inhabit the places of Asia, North Africa, and the Middle East. That Orientalism, Western scholarship about the Eastern World, was and remains inextricably tied to the imperialist societies who produced it, which makes much Orientalist work inherently political and servile to power, and thus intellectually suspect."
  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Lemme get this straight… Everything that ever happened in the past is wrong, and everything that now mentions what happened once is wrong. Every thought, unless it is one of hatred and disgust, must be wrong. Trying on clothes from another era is wrong, although wearing today’s clothes made in ‘sweat shops’ in asian countries is wrong too.

    It’s all wrong, wrong, wrong. Or in this case, Wong. (Um, is it wrong to say Wong?)

  8. My sense is that there is a hunger among some liberal college-educated Asian-American (women) to define themselves as Oppressed People of Color. The level of excitement about this event displayed by my classmates on Facebook was pretty remarkable.

    I can’t see it being a big deal among Asian American men, because they tend to see themselves in competition with both whites and NAMs, correctly.

    • Replies: @Hacienda
    No big deal to me, because I enjoy seeing white women in kimonos. The pretty, the beautiful, the pranksters.
    , @Lagertha
    Exactly: The Asians who just unsuccessfully, sued Harvard (suspected "Asian quota" in admissions practice) U. So, they're ripping a page off of SJW's latest "aggrieved group of ethnic identity politics." At least, they're not carrying around a mattress or giant wardrobe on their backs!

    I went to a meeting/presentation (at our state World Affairs Council) given by my Japanese friends who showed about 90 women (both American & foreign) their precious collection of kimonos, and how they are worn/put on. Each of the kimonos were given to them by their parents when a certain milestone happened in their life. They actually allowed us to try some of them on, so, were they being disrespectful according to these bozos in Boston?

    Plus, in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, we all were rooting for the wild and tenacious ninja-like young woman just wrecking that one place in a scene with abandon. Won an Oscar. These Boston losers should be forced to walk from one high Bamboo stalk/tree to another just to prove that they are really Asian.

    Lastly, I have never been offended by Ulla in the Producers, Viking Helmeted (or Cheese) fans in Minnesota (my son's nickname was Thor in HS), all the fascination Americans (used to) have for the sauna and what do we Nordic people really do in there?, or all the "dumb blonde" jokes I have endured.

    Museums do everything they can to pimp their art/fundraising: cocktail parties, jazz nights, masquerade parties, African Drumming, "bring-your-teen-to-the-boring, stodgy-museum night" - usually involves glow sticks and Katy Perry/Maroon 5 music; silent auctions, whatevah. All (except teen-night) involve copious amount of booze. Hmmmm....maybe these two SJW's do not get stoked now and then. Now, there's the ole' standard stereotype of Scandinavians: "everything is a lot more fun with booze."

    , @Anon
    "My sense is that there is a hunger among some liberal college-educated Asian-American (women) to define themselves as Oppressed People of Color."

    Working hard to be the Model Oppressed Minority.
  9. Yup, I’ve said it before: Japanese don’t bitch and moan because they don’t have an inferiority complex. It is no surprise one of the whingers was named Wang and not Watanabe.

    Of course Asians would never appropriate White culture by wearing suits and ties, or playing the violin etc.

    Metalheads understand how annoying cultural appropriation is: they invented the usage of the la corna hand sign in the context of musical events, only to have it spread to teenyboppers at Britney Spears concerts, to people who don’t even understand its Satanic significance!

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    Same thing with whites. If somebody screamed "whitey" or "honky" or "cracker" in my face, I'd just laugh. There is no racial epithet for Anglo-Europeans because we're history's winners and everybody knows it. That's why the Left has given up on the idea of a "color-blind" society and has ginned up "white privilege," as if we're supposed to feel guilt over what a good job our ancestral line did raising its progeny.
    , @Hacienda
    la corna:

    "Its earliest use can be seen in India, as a gesture very commonly used by Gautama Buddha as Karana Mudra which is synonymous with expulsion of demons and removal of obstacles like sickness or negative thoughts."

    The metalheads approbriated a Buddhist symbol, yet again.
    , @Percy Gryce

    Of course Asians would never appropriate White culture by wearing suits and ties, or playing the violin etc.
     
    Or celebrating Christmas. Or getting married in white Western wedding dresses. Or dressing their school children in Prussian- and other European-style uniforms. Or collecting Shakespeare First Folios (Meisei University Library now has the second largest collection in the world, with 12 copies). Etc., etc.
    , @Anonymous
    You're a dumbass. I live near the MFA and I can tell you that the only reason why no Japanese Americans showed up is cause very of them live in that area. If there were more Japanese Americans in the vicinity, they would have shown up.
    , @Anon
    "Yup, I’ve said it before: Japanese don’t bitch and moan because they don’t have an inferiority complex."

    Huh?

    Japanese have a HUGE inferiority complex, even vis-a-vis other Asians.

    Little midgets think Koreans are buff, and Koreans are a bunch of sissies.
    , @casey
    "Of course Asians would never appropriate White culture by wearing suits and ties, or playing the violin etc."

    Some people seem confused about the rules- just as it's impossible to be racist against white people because 'racism=prejudice+power', it's not possible to appropriate white culture because 'settler colonialism' forced white culture on people all over the world.
  10. @Harold
    Yup, I've said it before: Japanese don't bitch and moan because they don't have an inferiority complex. It is no surprise one of the whingers was named Wang and not Watanabe.

    Of course Asians would never appropriate White culture by wearing suits and ties, or playing the violin etc.

    Metalheads understand how annoying cultural appropriation is: they invented the usage of the la corna hand sign in the context of musical events, only to have it spread to teenyboppers at Britney Spears concerts, to people who don't even understand its Satanic significance!

    Same thing with whites. If somebody screamed “whitey” or “honky” or “cracker” in my face, I’d just laugh. There is no racial epithet for Anglo-Europeans because we’re history’s winners and everybody knows it. That’s why the Left has given up on the idea of a “color-blind” society and has ginned up “white privilege,” as if we’re supposed to feel guilt over what a good job our ancestral line did raising its progeny.

  11. “Have a conversation” is long for “STFU, YT.”

    That is excellent. I see the start of Sailer’s SJW Dictionary. Here’re some other entries:

    “problematic” = “anything I don’t like”; verb form: “problematize”

    “privilege” = “object of my envy”

    Any others?

    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    Any others?

    "troubling" = worthy of a Twitter hissy-fit

    , @ic1000
    > any others?

    "conversation about race" = "STFU, then you listen to me lecture about your white racism and white privilege, then STFU some more."
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "noticing" = "Discovering the real answer that lies underneath the surface of whatever SJW's or The Narrative would have us believe regarding a currently popular story that deals with various issues of the day."

    "Gladwellian" = "A pompous, overblown answer that attempts a kind of worldview, when in actuality it is PC based and never allows for noticing." Could also include the words "Gladwellianism" or "Gladwellism"

    Example would be: "African-Americans are being ripped off by shady car salesmen. However the data suggests that instead they enjoy being seen as big spenders. Thus far from being victims of racism they are quite willing to pay the larger price that they otherwise don't have to."

    "HMKIO" = "Hey Malcolm, Knock It Off!" A riposte to Gladwellianism whenever it raises its head in the public forum regarding a new trend in popular culture, society at large.
    , @Lurker
    "troubling" should definitely be in there somewhere.

    Disparate crime rates are described "troubling" in the MSM.

    Meaning something for which the explanation is unsayable. It needs some work...
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
    “privilege” = “object of my envy”

    Yeah, except virtually the only people who ever talk about "privilege," are White (both Gentile and Jewish) kids from middle class (generally upper-middle class) backgrounds. So envy's got precious little to do with it. The more privilege you have, the more likely you are to get upset about all the "White privilege" some unemployed lumberjack with eight fingers, in rural West Virginia, supposedly has. Urban Black thugs don't even know unemployed lumberjacks in West Virginia, actually exist, let alone envy their dubious privilege.
    , @Percy Gryce

    Any others?
     
    "disturbance" = "riot, mayhem, and looting"

    "sexism" = "landing a spaceship on an asteroid while wearing a pin-up-girl shirt made by your female friend"

    "white Hispanic" = "George Zimmerman," i.e., only known example.

    "rape" = "being lit upon by the male gaze"

    , @SFG
    "male gaze"= "guy I'm not attracted to [this is all men for lesbians] looking at me"

    "misogynist" = "having traditional values" [this one is really silly as I doubt even Todd Akin atually hates women]

    "sexualize" = "guy I'm not attracted to finding me attractive"

    "cishet" = "normal"

    "homophobic" = "disliking gay people" [is it a phobia? disgust seems more common]

    "privilege" = "any group I don't like" [white, male, heterosexual, cisgendered, and sometimes gentile]

    "phallocentric" = "not specifically designed to benefit women"

    "body-positive" = "pretending morbidly obese people are sexy"

    "sex-positive" = "okay with sex, as long as I get to call the shots"

    "Christian" = "evil"

    "Christian conservative" = "crypto-Nazi"

    "check your privilege" = "bow down before the one you serve/you're going to get what you deserve"

    "heteronormative" = "assuming heterosexuality has been the standard for thousands of years, as was actually the case"

    "progressive" = "crypto-Nazi, but with the good guys and bad guys switched"

    "intersectionality" = "sexism + racism + homophobia + anything else I forgot"

    I think this needs to be a thing. Anyone responds and I will make some more!
    , @Nico
    "Controversial" - any assertion of fact, or any fact-based analysis, which potentially calls into question a key assumption or foregone conclusion of the SPLC, feminists or the LGBT lobby
  12. @Harold
    Yup, I've said it before: Japanese don't bitch and moan because they don't have an inferiority complex. It is no surprise one of the whingers was named Wang and not Watanabe.

    Of course Asians would never appropriate White culture by wearing suits and ties, or playing the violin etc.

    Metalheads understand how annoying cultural appropriation is: they invented the usage of the la corna hand sign in the context of musical events, only to have it spread to teenyboppers at Britney Spears concerts, to people who don't even understand its Satanic significance!

    la corna:

    “Its earliest use can be seen in India, as a gesture very commonly used by Gautama Buddha as Karana Mudra which is synonymous with expulsion of demons and removal of obstacles like sickness or negative thoughts.”

    The metalheads approbriated a Buddhist symbol, yet again.

    • Replies: @Harold
    Within metal it was popularised by Ronnie James Dio (RIP) who appropriated it from his Italian grandmother. Who the Italians appropriated it from I don't know. Of course the Italians use it to ward off evil, or to insult people as being cuckolds. The general metalhead missappropriated it as an invocation of the devil, but that didn't stop them from being annoyed when it was missappropriated from them.

    What other symbol are you referring to?

    The umlaut was appropriated from Germans. The Pentagram was appropriated from European occult tradition.

  13. @Spotted Toad
    My sense is that there is a hunger among some liberal college-educated Asian-American (women) to define themselves as Oppressed People of Color. The level of excitement about this event displayed by my classmates on Facebook was pretty remarkable.

    I can't see it being a big deal among Asian American men, because they tend to see themselves in competition with both whites and NAMs, correctly.

    No big deal to me, because I enjoy seeing white women in kimonos. The pretty, the beautiful, the pranksters.

  14. @Ed
    Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests. They are empty and shrill. Most started by people looking to make a name for themselves. Protesting in Facebook or Twitter requires minimal investment of time. The fact that a few protestors showed up should have clued the museum on this protest bring about nothing. Once you cave into the mob they'll keep demanding more.

    The social justice warriors are like modern day terrorists.

    Except they haven’t killed anybody. It’s really terrible that you would compare a bunch of non-violent people who simply have a different ideology than you to a bunch of people who have killed thousands in the United States.

    • Replies: @anon
    SJWs have helped kill thousands through their support for the media's incitement to anti-white violence.
    , @bomag
    Except they haven’t killed anybody.

    Uhmm, I hardly know when to take such comments seriously, but since when has a body count been a metric in these things? Stalin and Mao retain their usual popularity; our SJWs are unmoved by any deaths attributed to their social engineering; and there is no comfort seeing our society devolve into a Dark Age behind a bloodless coup.
    , @ben tillman

    Except they haven’t killed anybody. It’s really terrible that you would compare a bunch of non-violent people who simply have a different ideology than you to a bunch of people who have killed thousands in the United States.
     
    They are absolutely not non-violent. They sic the state, with its trillions of dollars of resources, on their opponents to force them to comply with the SJWs' agenda. That's violence, pal.
  15. “In other words, the Japanese don’t really care about Arab-American Edward Said’s theories of Orientalism. Why? Because Pearl Harbor.”

    Counterexample, one I’m sure will be near and dear to the hearts of many of our commenters: Jews have pulled off many impressive feats such as the polio vaccine and the theory of relativity, but whine like stuck pigs whenever someone tries to appropriate anything thought of as Jewish–anyone remember the kerfluffle over Hank Williams comparing someone to Hitler? (Yes, he did for a few million Poles and Russians as well.)

    I think it has to do with a sense of belonging. Japanese people in Japan are secure in their own country. They don’t care if some foreigner wants to try on a kimono and eat sushi–they think it’s kinda cool.

    Asian-Americans, on the other hand, are a minority. They’re not a particularly persecuted minority, but they’ve been trying to buy into the whole oppressed-minority scam so prevalent in the USA today. We encourage them to do it, even.

    Notice, as well, that Ms. Wang (presumably Chinese) is defending Japanese heritage. This makes about as much sense as a Pole standing up for the Russians, or an Irishman standing up for the Brits.

    I’ll close with something I saw on a TV movie–a guy’s investigating the murder of a guy in a Japanese internment camp decades ago, and talks to an Asian guy. Guy is naturally anti-American, and identifies his ancestry as ‘Korean, Japanese, all kinds of stuff in the mix’.

    I submit that a person of Korean and Japanese ancestry could not be comfortable in either of those countries–in Japan you’d be polluted with Korean blood, in Korea with Japanese blood. But here? You’re probably one of those smart Chinese guys, man! I’ll lend you money.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Counterexample, one I’m sure will be near and dear to the hearts of many of our commenters: Jews have pulled off many impressive feats such as the polio vaccine and the theory of relativity, but whine like stuck pigs whenever someone tries to appropriate anything thought of as Jewish–
     
    Have any Jews ever complained about non-Jews appropriating Marxism, Freudian analysis, Bergson's notion of the élan vital , Derrida's theory of Deconstruction, Claude Lévi-Strauss' structuralism, etc?

    anyone remember the kerfluffle over Hank Williams comparing someone to Hitler?
     
    Hitler is far too near and dear to the Jews.He's their ultimate "get-out-of-jail-free" card for anything bad that they do.
    , @Anon
    "I think it has to do with a sense of belonging. Japanese people in Japan are secure in their own country. They don’t care if some foreigner wants to try on a kimono and eat sushi–they think it’s kinda cool."

    No, Japanese are not secure in Japan.

    The reason why Japanese have been adamant about 'us' vs 'gaijin' is because they fear the outsider.

    Japanese need for security in Japan is a sign of their insecurity globally.

    Japanese even have problems with Brazilian-Japanese.

    http://ajw.asahi.com/article/views/column/AJ201507100027
    , @Anon
    "in Japan you’d be polluted with Korean blood, in Korea with Japanese blood."

    Japanese are not so much into blood thing.

    Vast majority of Koreans are now for race-mixing. Koreans even go for massive plastic surgery and hair dyeing to look transracial.

    The success of garbage gay-pop K-pop made Koreans embrace multi-culti trash even more.

    Japan now has a half-negress beauty queen.

    They've been cut off from their roots.
    , @Twinkie

    I submit that a person of Korean and Japanese ancestry could not be comfortable in either of those countries–in Japan you’d be polluted with Korean blood, in Korea with Japanese blood. But here? You’re probably one of those smart Chinese guys, man! I’ll lend you money.
     
    "Sexyama" seems to do fine (though he hasn't done well in the UFC). He wears both the Japanese and South Korean flags on his fight gear and seems to enjoy wild adoration in both countries: https://youtu.be/BUPAofclvlc

    He's married to a Japanese fashion model, by the way.

    Everyone loves a winner, even the Japanese and the Koreans, apparently.
  16. @Harold
    Yup, I've said it before: Japanese don't bitch and moan because they don't have an inferiority complex. It is no surprise one of the whingers was named Wang and not Watanabe.

    Of course Asians would never appropriate White culture by wearing suits and ties, or playing the violin etc.

    Metalheads understand how annoying cultural appropriation is: they invented the usage of the la corna hand sign in the context of musical events, only to have it spread to teenyboppers at Britney Spears concerts, to people who don't even understand its Satanic significance!

    Of course Asians would never appropriate White culture by wearing suits and ties, or playing the violin etc.

    Or celebrating Christmas. Or getting married in white Western wedding dresses. Or dressing their school children in Prussian- and other European-style uniforms. Or collecting Shakespeare First Folios (Meisei University Library now has the second largest collection in the world, with 12 copies). Etc., etc.

  17. @Harold
    Yup, I've said it before: Japanese don't bitch and moan because they don't have an inferiority complex. It is no surprise one of the whingers was named Wang and not Watanabe.

    Of course Asians would never appropriate White culture by wearing suits and ties, or playing the violin etc.

    Metalheads understand how annoying cultural appropriation is: they invented the usage of the la corna hand sign in the context of musical events, only to have it spread to teenyboppers at Britney Spears concerts, to people who don't even understand its Satanic significance!

    You’re a dumbass. I live near the MFA and I can tell you that the only reason why no Japanese Americans showed up is cause very of them live in that area. If there were more Japanese Americans in the vicinity, they would have shown up.

    • Replies: @Harold
    Well, I will take your point of view as a contrary datum, but that hasn't been my experience, and my point of view has only been otherwise bolstered by the other comments in this thread and on other comment threads elsewhere on the web pertaining to this issue.

    Say, you're not Chinese are you?
  18. “This is appropriation, this is Orientalism,” they said, while wearing Western clothes, and while living in a Western country, and while demanding the right for millions of their co-ethnics to move Western countries.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Those things wouldn't be appropriation because contemporary Western civilization, like Christian civilization before it and Islam and Communism, claims universal status that transcends all peoples, cultures, history, time, space, etc. and has sole access to the Truth, God, Morality, Salvation, Providence, etc. Its entire raison d'être is to incorporate everybody and every thing.
  19. @out of Macon
    Two protesters showed up and they won. Why don't people on our side protest? I know most people on our side have jobs but still.

    We could have a million people show up to protest and it wouldn’t move the needle in the least. See, e.g., Tea Parties circa 2009/10. Reality-based whites are simply ignored, no matter how many gather and now matter how loudly we yell.

    • Replies: @SFG
    Oh, the Tea Party was able to drag the Republican Party to the right, albeit not in a way most people here would prefer.

    Getting museum directors, a heavily left-leaning bunch, to do what you want, is another story. The threat of a boycott might be effective, but they get a lot of grants anyway.
  20. @Ed
    Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests. They are empty and shrill. Most started by people looking to make a name for themselves. Protesting in Facebook or Twitter requires minimal investment of time. The fact that a few protestors showed up should have clued the museum on this protest bring about nothing. Once you cave into the mob they'll keep demanding more.

    The social justice warriors are like modern day terrorists.

    Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests

    They usually do when it comes to Christians. Weren’t the piss Christ and elephant-dung Mary exhibits shown despite significant protests?

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @penntothal
    "Piss-Christ" was finally removed from the AP picture library in 2015 - after decades of polite protest by Christians.

    Why now, in 2015? The AP expressed concern for offending religious sensibilities after the Paris massacre of the Hebdo cartoonists.

    The tactics of the Islamists can be barbaric and horrible, but they are effective.
  21. “Is “Wang” a Japanese name?”

    While I doubt anyone here would think so, as far as your typical idiot American is concerned it is. Don’t underestimate how stupid most people are.

  22. On the other hand, no one seems to mind when Japanese tourists and actors slap on red wigs* when they dress up like Anne of Green Gables…..

    *Surely a ginger rights organization (a Red-Headed League, so to speak)exists somewhere to protest this hideous piece of racial fetishization

  23. I live in Boston and I think I recognize the protestors in the picture in the article. The clueless one in the middle is Yu So Dim, the East Indian-looking one is Wai Yu So Tan, and the big one on the right is Chin Tu Fat.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Yu So Dim, the East Indian-looking one is Wai Yu So Tan, and the big one on the right is Chin Tu Fat"

    No, more likely Benedict Fong or Calliope Wong.
  24. And no one seems to mind when East Asian fans of the popular anime Attack on Titan put on whiteface to cosplay as Annie:

    http://cdn.i.ntere.st/p/6438262/image

    http://ddn.i.ntere.st/p/3886471/image

    And here’s an East Asian woman showing how to apply the eyepieces (for that Caucasoid look), blue contacts, etc:

  25. There’s a bit of a difference though if you are an American of Asian descent. If anyone is interested just google how American citizens of Japanese descent were treated during 2nd world war.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Cuieer, yes indeed, the USA interned Japanese-Americans in detention camps during WWII. A strong response to an attack on US Naval forces at Pearl Harbor. Racist? Probably. The United States apologized and paid reparations to the detainees and their survivors. We didn't' torture and kill them like the Japanese did to the citizens of Burma, Ceylon, Korea , Manchuria or the Philippines. I think if more was known of Japanese atrocities toward American POWs during the war, we would have probably considered deporting all of them. Read some history, or start with "Fly Boys", the story of what the Japanese did to captured US airmen.
    , @Anon
    "American citizens of Japanese descent were treated during 2nd world war"

    Not very well but hardly one of the great tragedies of all time.

    PS. If Jews ever get 'interned', send them to golf clubs.
    , @Marissa
    You think that's bad? You should see how the Japanese treated...everyone else during the 2nd world war.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    If anyone is interested just google how American citizens of Japanese descent were treated during 2nd world war.
     
    Funny how people always bring this up without ever mentioning the asshole responsible fot it.
  26. What would we do without protesters?

  27. where Japanese and other Asians represent an often-overlooked minority.

    It’s because you commit less crime than whites and earn more money, so the media can’t use you as an example of white racism, so they just pretend like you don’t exist.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "It’s because you commit less crime than whites and earn more money"

    No, cuz it's they can't dance and play ball.

    American Indians can't dance and play ball, and they get ignored too.

    Mexicans too. Incidentally, they are all Asiatic.

    Mexers are mediocre and Asians are mediocre plus.
  28. How about this: you let us wear kimonos, we’ll let you fly airplanes

  29. I watched My Fair Lady in Japanese in Tokyo. I wasn’t the least bit offended. Takarazuka often features Japanese made to look semi-Occidental. So what?

    http://blogs.rmg.co.uk/collections/2012/10/09/japanese-takarazuka-revue-poster/

    Why is it Japanese don’t have a chip on their shoulder the way other Asians do. They are far superior to Koreans.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Why is it Japanese don’t have a chip on their shoulder the way other Asians do."

    Japanese I don't know.

    But Japanese-Americans are among the most PC-addled in the world.

    I could not stand the ones I knew in college.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome, @SFG
    They do, but the immigrants have been here long enough they don't care that much anymore, and the actual Japanese have no immigration, so all foreigners are just sources of fascinatingly strange trends. Kind of like the way we see them.
  30. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Only in America would a Chinese act offended on behalf of Japanese. Over there they hate each other. Using the term ‘appropriate’ gives people like her away. These types always use this sort of inflammatory terminology, calling any sort of cultural crossover ‘theft’, which is of course absurd. These people are just our domestic Red Guard who should just come out of the closet and wear their Mao t-shirts in public. These people actually prevent any interest in Asian culture from gaining traction. As always, a small vociferous minority terrorize the majority.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Only in America would a Chinese act offended on behalf of Japanese. Over there they hate each other."

    This isn't surprising.

    It's like different African immigrants become 'blacks' in America.

    Different white groups become 'whites'.

    Poles and Russians may not like one another, but they, as whites, may unite against blacks.
  31. Damn. I’m the only true race-ist.

  32. @22pp22
    I watched My Fair Lady in Japanese in Tokyo. I wasn't the least bit offended. Takarazuka often features Japanese made to look semi-Occidental. So what?

    http://blogs.rmg.co.uk/collections/2012/10/09/japanese-takarazuka-revue-poster/

    Why is it Japanese don't have a chip on their shoulder the way other Asians do. They are far superior to Koreans.

    “Why is it Japanese don’t have a chip on their shoulder the way other Asians do.”

    Japanese I don’t know.

    But Japanese-Americans are among the most PC-addled in the world.

    I could not stand the ones I knew in college.

  33. What kills me is these yellows are appropriating western PC.

    It’s a form of white-face minstrelry.

  34. Damn that Said for making ‘oriental’, perfectly harmless word, into an epithet.

  35. @iSteveFan

    Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests
     
    They usually do when it comes to Christians. Weren't the piss Christ and elephant-dung Mary exhibits shown despite significant protests?

    “Piss-Christ” was finally removed from the AP picture library in 2015 – after decades of polite protest by Christians.

    Why now, in 2015? The AP expressed concern for offending religious sensibilities after the Paris massacre of the Hebdo cartoonists.

    The tactics of the Islamists can be barbaric and horrible, but they are effective.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Why now, in 2015? The AP expressed concern for offending religious sensibilities after the Paris massacre of the Hebdo cartoonists.

    The tactics of the Islamists can be barbaric and horrible, but they are effective.

     

    They finally realized that "Piss Christ" insulted one of the prophets of Islam.

    Remember, some Christians may have bitched about "The Life of Brian", but it was the Mohammedans who actually showed up at protests. (Don't remember if there were death threats.)
  36. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “Asian-Americans in this country have a history of being mis- or underrepresented — they’re either completely absent from the media or only depicted as Kung Fu, exoticized, mystical, dragon ladies, prostitutes, or what have you,”

    Some valid points.

    Then go protest Hollywood.

    This museum thing seems utterly innocuous.

    Also, most Kung Fu movies are made in China/Hong Kong. Even historical movies now have flying kung fu masters. So, are Asians mis-representing themselves?
    If Asians love authenticism, why do Japanese prefer anime where everyone looks white?
    Why do Koreans dye their hair blonde and get plastic surgery? Physiological appropriation?
    Why do Chinese-American girls wear undies that say ‘Chinese Male Exclusion Act’ and genetically appropriate white/Jewish sperm to have white-looking kids?

    Asian culture was mystical, for better or worse. That is why Asia failed to develop the scientific method.

    Exoticism is relative. When whites first came to Asia, yellows found whites exotic.

    Isn’t prostitution the national economy of Thailand and Philippines?

  37. @syonredux
    On the other hand, no one seems to mind when Japanese tourists and actors slap on red wigs* when they dress up like Anne of Green Gables.....


    http://tackytouristphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Anne-of-Green-Gables-Japanese-Tourists.jpg

    http://theheroinesbookshelf.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Anne-of-Green-Gables-costume-2.jpg

    http://www.channel-ai.com/img/rinoa/hitomi-anne.jpg

    http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/coma/images/issues/200810/kluge/curtis_anneofgreen_03_kluge.jpg



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CprRc0mjtbg


    *Surely a ginger rights organization (a Red-Headed League, so to speak)exists somewhere to protest this hideous piece of racial fetishization
  38. Was the sign written in Chinese characters or did this bigot appropriate our script?

  39. @22pp22
    I watched My Fair Lady in Japanese in Tokyo. I wasn't the least bit offended. Takarazuka often features Japanese made to look semi-Occidental. So what?

    http://blogs.rmg.co.uk/collections/2012/10/09/japanese-takarazuka-revue-poster/

    Why is it Japanese don't have a chip on their shoulder the way other Asians do. They are far superior to Koreans.
  40. Trigger warning!!!!

    “presenting Asian culture as quintessentially exotic”: the bastards didn’t even have the courtesy to refer to ‘an Asian culture’. I call that a micro-aggression.

    Somebody should have put them over his knees, skelped their bums, and sent them crying home to Mummy.

  41. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    This is a dumb dumb controversy but sort of legit to the extent that it wouldn’t have permitted with other cultures.

    Imagine if museum goers decided to dress up like Medieval Jews, tribal Africans, big sombrero Mexicans, towel-headed Arabs/Muslims, etc.
    (Exception is when US politicians have to put on yarmulkas and stand before the Wailing Wall in Israel.)

    It’s been true enough that Asians have been safer targets of ridicule because they are deemed less vocal and angry.

    But this case is just stupid.

    People at the museum were admiring of Japanese aesthetics and culture.

    And I like exoticism.

    Asians themselves have exoticized for export.
    And some of the results were impressive.

    • Replies: @Marissa
    Imagine if museum goers decided to dress up like Medieval Jews, tribal Africans, big sombrero Mexicans, towel-headed Arabs/Muslims, etc.

    No one, especially not women, wants to dress up like poor people. A Jewess in the Medici's court in Renaissance garb, (no African example), a rich Mexican senorita's ruffled gown, an odalisque's ornate finery? Yes. Getting to play dress-up is fun to most women with a sense of femininity, that's why we have these Downton Abbey parties to wear Edwardian garb. It's not to mock, it's to play and feel pretty.
    , @Twinkie

    It’s been true enough that Asians have been safer targets of ridicule because they are deemed less vocal and angry.
     
    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=snl+linsanity&FORM=VIRE2#view=detail&mid=24E492A0B7443D41F71424E492A0B7443D41F714

    This says it all.
  42. On-topic, weirdly: I was reading some of Lafcadio Hearn’s essays just yesterday. If you want more on a certain mode of late-19th c. Western appreciation for Japanese culture and taste, he’s your man.

    In his truncated, remarkably difficult life, Hearn finally found some relief by turning Japanese. Literally:

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2014/09/20/lifestyle/lafcadio-hearn-japanese-thru-tru/#.VZ_EMGBwcbY

  43. @Ed
    Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests. They are empty and shrill. Most started by people looking to make a name for themselves. Protesting in Facebook or Twitter requires minimal investment of time. The fact that a few protestors showed up should have clued the museum on this protest bring about nothing. Once you cave into the mob they'll keep demanding more.

    The social justice warriors are like modern day terrorists.

    Social media makes it easy to whip up a large group of apparent supporters of your cause. Many may be sockpuppets, or people who retweet or support every protest on their side without even knowing what the protest is about.

  44. Oktoberfest
    St. Paddy’s Day

  45. @Percy Gryce

    “Have a conversation” is long for “STFU, YT.”
     
    That is excellent. I see the start of Sailer's SJW Dictionary. Here're some other entries:

    "problematic" = "anything I don't like"; verb form: "problematize"

    "privilege" = "object of my envy"

    Any others?

    Any others?

    “troubling” = worthy of a Twitter hissy-fit

  46. The Japanese have certainly appropriated the internal combustion engine. Take a sledge hammer to the next Camry you see.

  47. Maybe not Pearl Harbor, but not too shabby either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Badr_(1973)

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Maybe not Pearl Harbor, but not too shabby either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Badr_(1973)
     
    Some historians have speculated that the 1973 war made the Camp David Accords possible.After the humiliating Six-Day War, the substantially better showing by the Arabs in 1973 restored their self-respect.Hence, peace could be thought of as a compromise between equals.
  48. @22pp22
    I watched My Fair Lady in Japanese in Tokyo. I wasn't the least bit offended. Takarazuka often features Japanese made to look semi-Occidental. So what?

    http://blogs.rmg.co.uk/collections/2012/10/09/japanese-takarazuka-revue-poster/

    Why is it Japanese don't have a chip on their shoulder the way other Asians do. They are far superior to Koreans.

    They do, but the immigrants have been here long enough they don’t care that much anymore, and the actual Japanese have no immigration, so all foreigners are just sources of fascinatingly strange trends. Kind of like the way we see them.

  49. The cave in is partly due to Boston absolutely crawling with Asian uni students and permanent Asian residents. Liberal-lefty Boston and suburbs are very Asian accommodating so they flock there. NE Asians more so but all Asians (Pakis, Hindus, Afghanis, Iranians, Viets, etc) are welcomed and have their own communities. Asians are at critical mass there w tons of their restaurants.

  50. @Percy Gryce

    “Have a conversation” is long for “STFU, YT.”
     
    That is excellent. I see the start of Sailer's SJW Dictionary. Here're some other entries:

    "problematic" = "anything I don't like"; verb form: "problematize"

    "privilege" = "object of my envy"

    Any others?

    > any others?

    “conversation about race” = “STFU, then you listen to me lecture about your white racism and white privilege, then STFU some more.”

  51. There seems to be three protestors, one by name (Wang) seems to be Chinese, the others perhaps Asian Indian. Who makes them think they can speak for the Japanese (who historically has never have any problem with Westerners appreciating and, yes, “appropiating” their culture.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There seems to be three protestors, one by name (Wang) seems to be Chinese, the others perhaps Asian Indian. Who makes them think they can speak for the Japanese…
     
    Going to primary school in Honolulu fifty years ago was pleasant, because in none of my classes were there any Asians.

    Lots of Japanese and Chinese, but no Asians.

  52. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Asians may be smart, but they are very politically naive. They usually follow whatever is the status quo, no matter how absurd it is. So you got the Japanese living in a industrial civilization and worshipping their ruler as a God at the same time (even nowadays, Japanese political culture is extremely conservative compared to other wealthy industrialized countries). Once Mao Zedong captured the state, he managed to get the Chinese people to worship mangoes.

    Now, Asian-Americans would be fat better off allying with whites, since unlike Jews they don’t have the media power to resist when the Eye of Soros is unleashed upon them. They are basically kulaks, expropriation fodder that will be the next to fall when whitey is gone, but they can’t turn against Progressivism, not when it holds the Mandate of heaven. Besides, college educated urban Asians don’t want to get lumped together in the same ideological side of stupid rural Christians.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "So you got the Japanese living in a industrial civilization and worshipping their ruler as a God at the same time"

    They went overboard but it made as emperor worship and shinto are the only things that are truly Japanese. Lose that and what do Japanese have? A history of borrowing.

    And are Americans any saner when Jimmy Carter now says 'Jesus would have been for gay marriage'?

    What kind of a sane country is it where Jews vilify whites and whites worship Jews?

    "Now, Asian-Americans would be fat better off allying with whites."

    THAT is why they are acting like this. Asians go to colleges and ally with whites who happen to be PC and Lib.

    , @Twinkie

    They usually follow whatever is the status quo, no matter how absurd it is.
     
    That's why South Koreans rose in massive protests and overthrew the military dictatorship in the 1980s... you know, because they have what the Germans call "Kadavergehorsam" (zombie-like obedience to authority, originally meant to describe the Germans under the Nazi regime).

    While an intelligent argument can be made that East Asians are more conformist and risk-averse than Western Europeans (perhaps for both cultural and genetic reasons), it indeed absurd to suggest that "they usually follow whatever is the status quo" because history simply does not bear out that assertion.
  53. The tyranny of the narcissists.

  54. Bostonians who are members of the Museum should threaten to cancel or not renew their membership if they cave. And let them know why.

    I doubt anyone cares if they take the kimono away; it’s about standing up to bullying.

  55. I’m with the SJWs on this one: naming and shaming for this atrocious appropriation is long overdue.

    The kimonos, which are replicas of the garment in the painting, were commissioned by the Japanese broadcaster NHK to accompany “La Japonaise” for the recent traveling exhibit “Looking East”; visitors to museums in Tokyo, Kyoto, and the MFA’s sister museum in Nagoya could try them on as part of the exhibit.

    #mfaboston has to be urgently expanded to condemn these anti-Asian racists:
    * The President of NHK.
    * The Director of the Kyoto Art Museum.
    * The Director of the Setagaya Art Museum.

    Victory is so close, yet Wreckers lurk under every bed! This is no time to falter — Si, Si Puede!

  56. Jeb Bush: People Need to Work Longer Hours

    Jeb Bush said Wednesday … “My aspiration for the country and I believe we can achieve it, is 4 percent growth as far as the eye can see. Which means we have to be a lot more productive, workforce participation has to rise from its all-time modern lows. It means that people need to work longer hours” and, through their productivity, gain more income for their families.”

  57. Its a good thing that you didn’t say zero Japanese were involved. That would have been offensive.

    (Did Mitsubishi Aircraft Industries ever trademark “Zero”?)

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    No, The Zero designation is simply the numeral 0. Imperial Japanese Navy aircraft were designated by the last digits of the year in the Imperial calendar that they were adopted. For the Zero it was the year 2600 so it was the type 0 fighter. The type of torpedo bombers used at Pearl Harbor were accepted in 2597, so they were was designated as the type 97 bomber.
  58. @Percy Gryce

    “Have a conversation” is long for “STFU, YT.”
     
    That is excellent. I see the start of Sailer's SJW Dictionary. Here're some other entries:

    "problematic" = "anything I don't like"; verb form: "problematize"

    "privilege" = "object of my envy"

    Any others?

    “noticing” = “Discovering the real answer that lies underneath the surface of whatever SJW’s or The Narrative would have us believe regarding a currently popular story that deals with various issues of the day.”

    “Gladwellian” = “A pompous, overblown answer that attempts a kind of worldview, when in actuality it is PC based and never allows for noticing.” Could also include the words “Gladwellianism” or “Gladwellism”

    Example would be: “African-Americans are being ripped off by shady car salesmen. However the data suggests that instead they enjoy being seen as big spenders. Thus far from being victims of racism they are quite willing to pay the larger price that they otherwise don’t have to.”

    “HMKIO” = “Hey Malcolm, Knock It Off!” A riposte to Gladwellianism whenever it raises its head in the public forum regarding a new trend in popular culture, society at large.

  59. And, while Asian-American activists whine about people wearing Kimonos, actual crimes against human culture are taking place in the Middle East:

    Islamic State jihadis have destroyed a 2,000-year-old statue of a lion outside the museum in the Syrian city of Palmyra, the country’s antiquities director has said.

    Maamoun Abdelkarim said the statue, known as the Lion of al-Lat, was an irreplaceable piece. “IS members on Saturday destroyed the Lion of al-Lat, which is a unique piece that is three metres [10ft] tall and weighs 15 tonnes,” Abdelkarim told AFP. “It’s the most serious crime they have committed against Palmyra’s heritage.”

    The limestone statue was discovered in 1977 by a Polish archaeological mission at the temple of al-Lat, a pre-Islamic Arabian goddess, and dated back to the 1st century BC.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/02/isis-militants-destroy-palmyra-stone-lion-al-lat

  60. I admire Japan’s people and culture. They seem to have picked up the torch of civilization that we in the West have hurled into the garbage. They respect their race and heritage, and they want to preserve them. Their women are also less infected by hateful feminism than ours, so they don’t treat men with the unremitting hostility we get over here.

    So I checked “Japan Today,” one of the news sites I visit. It had a straight-news report on the MFA protest, but the comments on the article were revealing. One said:

    “Have any of these people ever visited Japan? Not only do the vast majority of Japanese people want to share their culture, this exact very practice of people trying on a Kimono, or dressing up as a Samurai, in large part particularly for foreigners, is fairly common.”

    And yes, the MFA protestor “Wang” has a Chinese name. Oops, excuse me, “Asian.”

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/boston-art-museum-cancels-kimono-wednesdays-after-racism-protests

    • Replies: @Dew
    Quite right. Kimonos are wonderful and European women should feel free to try it. Japanese women also wore European-style dresses. Good comments in the article.

    That painting looks pretty nice to me in any case.
  61. Classic: SNL’s commercial for an “Asian American Doll.”

  62. I wonder if Miss Wang realizes that by doing this she’s revealing her Chinese inferiority complex. The Japanese have a vast cultural influence spreading all over the globe. China, for all of it’s manufacturing prowess, doesn’t export much culturally except fast food.

  63. This is a good test case for finding ways to stop a Twitter mob since the SJW “concerns” are obvious nonsense. (Paris falling in love with Japanese artistry is not an insult to Japanese culture.)

    So how can the MFA weather this silliness? My suggestion is with delaying tactics and retaining control of “the dialog”. “Look into” the protesters “concerns” with an eye towards “engaging” in a “serious” internal dialog. Appoint someone to work on scheduling “a constructive internal dialog” sometime in the future. Then, fold this latest bit of silliness into the MFA’s existing grievance machinery as one more “cultural sensitivity” among all the others. At all times, have the MFA’s internal grievance machinery be in charge of the next step. Do not reward the protestors by giving them any power or money. At each step, make the protestors expend effort to remain a part of the “process”.

    The most important point is to not act instantaneously to fire someone. The MFA should instead “take these issues very seriously” and “investigate them thoroughly” after which they will “take appropriate action”.

    • Replies: @Oliver Cromwell
    The only way to win is to robustly counter-attack. Anything else is an admission of defeat and the prelude to your total destruction. Even immediate total surrender (which is sometimes survivable in the short term) is not just an admission of defeat but an admission of guilt. This institution will be branded racist indefinitely now and will not be able to resist any future action, since even if it can justify its actions in that case it is guilty just by association with itself.

    The only people who have survived gave nothing, admitted nothing, and counter-attacked.

  64. “….learn what it’s like to be a racist, imperialist today.” I think people of the Philippines and Korea know all about Japan’s racist imperialism. The start of Japanese aggression and conquest in the Far East ( The Orient) , was only 75 years ago. There are still survivors of their ethnic cleansing pogroms alive in both countries and millions of next generation adults who learned to hate the Japanese. These protestors should be grateful that Japanese are allowed to travel and prosper in Asia. It wasn’t that long ago that Japanese were not allowed to travel to the Philippines, takes a long time to forget atrocities. In Europe, it is almost impossible to find any Nazi era items bearing the Swastika, banned by law or discarded in shame. This protest, over a kimono, of all things, might pull a scab off of some painful memories.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    mentioning Swastika: In the same cemetery in Finland where Mannerheim, all Finnish PM's/presidents, philosophers, writers/artists/composers are buried, as well as the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, was a big surprise to some senior American tourists I took there (no real great tram connection) which I will always remember. The mid-western couples (men were WW II vets) were shocked to see the Swastika on the tombstones of the fallen German soldiers (bodies were never claimed - it was suspected that family members were bombed or simply dead) and, across the path (this is next to the T of the U Soldier) is the Jewish cemetery, where there is a Star of David on tombstones.
    , @Oliver Cromwell
    I realise it's a joke, but my first thought seeing someone named Wang holding such a sign would also be that it's a Chinese nationalist playing her part in the propaganda campaign to justify revanchist war when the PRC economy falls over in 2030.
  65. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Do any of you recall the Katy Perry Kimono “fiasco” at the award show?*

    As it happens my hairstylist, a Japanese woman who also owns a kimono shop, was the one to supply all of the Kimono’s for the show. She could not understand why anybody thought it was offensive. My observation of the Japanese is that they are aggressive appropriators of other cultures, and they take cultural appropriation by westerners as a complement. And why shouldn’t they?

    * http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/11/katy-perrys-geisha-style-performance-needs-to-be-called-out/281805/

  66. So should all the late 19th/early 20th century art inspired by Japanese woodcuts be shoved into the basement since isn’t that “cultural appropriation” too. How about all the modern art inspired by traditional artisans from Africa and Asia?

    • Replies: @EvolutionistX
    No, just burn it. Much more space-effective.
  67. Of course, we could do a deal with these people – stop appropriating our countries and we’ll stop appropriating your culture.

  68. “Try on the kimono, learn what it’s like to be a racist imperialist”

    Like the Japanese in the 30s and 40s?

  69. @Percy Gryce

    “Have a conversation” is long for “STFU, YT.”
     
    That is excellent. I see the start of Sailer's SJW Dictionary. Here're some other entries:

    "problematic" = "anything I don't like"; verb form: "problematize"

    "privilege" = "object of my envy"

    Any others?

    “troubling” should definitely be in there somewhere.

    Disparate crime rates are described “troubling” in the MSM.

    Meaning something for which the explanation is unsayable. It needs some work…

  70. @Ed
    Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests. They are empty and shrill. Most started by people looking to make a name for themselves. Protesting in Facebook or Twitter requires minimal investment of time. The fact that a few protestors showed up should have clued the museum on this protest bring about nothing. Once you cave into the mob they'll keep demanding more.

    The social justice warriors are like modern day terrorists.

    “Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests. ”

    You’re missing the more important point.

    INSTITTIONS ARE THE VERY POWERS THAT ENFORCE AND SPREAD THESE PC SANCTIMONIES.

    • Replies: @Nico
    EXACTLY.

    And I for one have no sympathy whatsoever for museums. They and the bureaucratic non-profit cultural overlords are of the same cloth if not the same people as the destructors who ruined art and architecture schools, including the Paris Académie des Beaux-Arts. Now, because they have effectively destroyed our ability to re-produce, revive and continue the glorious civilization of the past, they justify the theft, conscription and sequestration of patrimonial treasures on the grounds of the need to preserve the goods of history that cannot be re-created. Right they cannot, because of people like THEM!!!

    That is the major reason why I hate museums: they are nothing more than a perverse criminal extortion racket which creates the very problem they set themselves up to solve. A showcase of dead culture as macabre as taking a tour of the mansion of a serial kidnapper/rapist/murderer-undertaker to see the delicately preserved corpses of the beautiful maidens he has ravaged and destroyed.

  71. “(Did Mitsubishi Aircraft Industries ever trademark “Zero”?)”

    No, that was the Maya.

  72. ““Asian-Americans in this country have a history of being mis- or underrepresented — they’re either completely absent from the media”

    And

  73. “Orientalism” as an idea, barely makes any sense at all, but I’m willing to grudgingly accept that such a thing exists. But these SJWer-types, seem to feel the need to characterize any and all admiration or interest in things from (dare I say it?) the Far East, as a form of cultural imperialism. As one who has never had any interest in Eastern cultures (I’m sure that also makes me some kind of a bigot, in the heads-they-win, tails-we-lose reality of being a normal White man today), I feel sorry for people who just, you know, happen to dig stuff from Japan, or wherever. It seems dreadfully unjust to claim that people who like Asian stuff, are somehow anti-Asian.

    I won’t even address the absurdity that characterizes itself as “cultural appropriation,” other than to say that this alegedly pernicious phenomenon is known, in the real world, as acculturation. And its one of the main reasons we, you know, left the Stone Age.

  74. @anony-mouse
    Its a good thing that you didn't say zero Japanese were involved. That would have been offensive.

    (Did Mitsubishi Aircraft Industries ever trademark "Zero"?)

    No, The Zero designation is simply the numeral 0. Imperial Japanese Navy aircraft were designated by the last digits of the year in the Imperial calendar that they were adopted. For the Zero it was the year 2600 so it was the type 0 fighter. The type of torpedo bombers used at Pearl Harbor were accepted in 2597, so they were was designated as the type 97 bomber.

  75. OT: Persian-Jew, wife-beating sheriff of San Francisco, Ross Mirkarimi , asked Feds to bring illegal murderer suspect to San Francisco.

    http://abc7news.com/news/document-shows-sf-sheriff-asked-feds-for-pier-14-suspect/836683/

  76. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    The Japanese have been experts at "cultural appropriation" for centuries -- ever since the Heian period, when the Japanese imported everything from reading and writing to Zen Buddhism from China, which they (being intelligent folks) correctly saw as more culturally advanced than they. They later "appropriated" a little more from Portuguese and Dutch traders, then again much more from the West at the start of the Meiji period. Very soon after that, in the Showa period, they "appropriated" aircraft carriers.

    The Vietnamese "appropriated" Latin script from the Portuguese to help differentiate their culture from that of big bad China to the north. And now, aren't the Chinese themselves "appropriating" iPods and other toys from the West, along with stock exchanges and skyscrapers (though, apparently, not democracy)?

    The MFA should tell their resentnik SJW critics to start reading history books and to get a life, but our urban elf museum curators "lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity".

    … SJW critics… start reading history books and to get a life.

    SJWs writing for The New York Times also need to bone up on STEM knowledge. Yesterday some lady wrote When Algorithms Discriminate for NYT, arguing that the tech industry should hire more women. Deconstructed, the article is actually about a female tech writer floundering to figure out what ‘algorithm’ means (the word is used thirteen times in the article) before ultimately giving up.

    Main takeaway from that article: The New York Times should use an algorithm next time they hire a tech writer.)

  77. @Percy Gryce

    “Have a conversation” is long for “STFU, YT.”
     
    That is excellent. I see the start of Sailer's SJW Dictionary. Here're some other entries:

    "problematic" = "anything I don't like"; verb form: "problematize"

    "privilege" = "object of my envy"

    Any others?

    “privilege” = “object of my envy”

    Yeah, except virtually the only people who ever talk about “privilege,” are White (both Gentile and Jewish) kids from middle class (generally upper-middle class) backgrounds. So envy’s got precious little to do with it. The more privilege you have, the more likely you are to get upset about all the “White privilege” some unemployed lumberjack with eight fingers, in rural West Virginia, supposedly has. Urban Black thugs don’t even know unemployed lumberjacks in West Virginia, actually exist, let alone envy their dubious privilege.

  78. Wow. The MFA protesters must really have been distressed at the popularity generated by Gangnam Style, and they would definitely not appreciate a Chinese friend either, who wryly introduces himself as a “Chinaman” for no better reason than to tweak the politically correct.

  79. @SFG
    "In other words, the Japanese don’t really care about Arab-American Edward Said’s theories of Orientalism. Why? Because Pearl Harbor."

    Counterexample, one I'm sure will be near and dear to the hearts of many of our commenters: Jews have pulled off many impressive feats such as the polio vaccine and the theory of relativity, but whine like stuck pigs whenever someone tries to appropriate anything thought of as Jewish--anyone remember the kerfluffle over Hank Williams comparing someone to Hitler? (Yes, he did for a few million Poles and Russians as well.)

    I think it has to do with a sense of belonging. Japanese people in Japan are secure in their own country. They don't care if some foreigner wants to try on a kimono and eat sushi--they think it's kinda cool.

    Asian-Americans, on the other hand, are a minority. They're not a particularly persecuted minority, but they've been trying to buy into the whole oppressed-minority scam so prevalent in the USA today. We encourage them to do it, even.

    Notice, as well, that Ms. Wang (presumably Chinese) is defending Japanese heritage. This makes about as much sense as a Pole standing up for the Russians, or an Irishman standing up for the Brits.

    I'll close with something I saw on a TV movie--a guy's investigating the murder of a guy in a Japanese internment camp decades ago, and talks to an Asian guy. Guy is naturally anti-American, and identifies his ancestry as 'Korean, Japanese, all kinds of stuff in the mix'.

    I submit that a person of Korean and Japanese ancestry could not be comfortable in either of those countries--in Japan you'd be polluted with Korean blood, in Korea with Japanese blood. But here? You're probably one of those smart Chinese guys, man! I'll lend you money.

    Counterexample, one I’m sure will be near and dear to the hearts of many of our commenters: Jews have pulled off many impressive feats such as the polio vaccine and the theory of relativity, but whine like stuck pigs whenever someone tries to appropriate anything thought of as Jewish–

    Have any Jews ever complained about non-Jews appropriating Marxism, Freudian analysis, Bergson’s notion of the élan vital , Derrida’s theory of Deconstruction, Claude Lévi-Strauss’ structuralism, etc?

    anyone remember the kerfluffle over Hank Williams comparing someone to Hitler?

    Hitler is far too near and dear to the Jews.He’s their ultimate “get-out-of-jail-free” card for anything bad that they do.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Those aren't "Jewish" culture anymore than Adam Smith or Carl Jung is "Christian" culture. Hell since Karl Marx was originally baptised why not make him part of "Christian" culture.

    Better comparison would be if Museums passed around yarmulke for visitors to wear.

    But as some other poster mentioned, this is about liberals fighting liberals. Conservatives shouldn't get angry about this, we should be encouraging this type of fights. Let them eat each other.
  80. TB2 [AKA "TimBuck2"] says:

    “We should have a conversation about Orientalism and why it’s wrong,” said Siyuan.

    We should have a conversation about how white people struggled for 400 years to make this a great nation and how people like you are the new racist colonialists here to live as leeches off of that accomplishment.

  81. @matt
    Maybe not Pearl Harbor, but not too shabby either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Badr_(1973)

    Maybe not Pearl Harbor, but not too shabby either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Badr_(1973)

    Some historians have speculated that the 1973 war made the Camp David Accords possible.After the humiliating Six-Day War, the substantially better showing by the Arabs in 1973 restored their self-respect.Hence, peace could be thought of as a compromise between equals.

    • Replies: @matt
    I agree that the 1973 war made peace possible, but not in the way you're thinking. Sadat had already offered peace in 1971 in exchange for the Sinai, only to be contemptuously ignored by the Israelis.

    The 1973 war wasn't about "restoring Arab self-respect" or any of that nonsense. It was about convincing the Israelis, in "the only language those people understand", that Arab armies could inflict serious damage on them, so that they had better negotiate for peace sooner rather than later.
  82. Dahlia says:

    I suspect that there must partly be some Peter Turchin explanation for the proliferation of these ethnic activists.

    OT, I don’t see the Trump thing ending well. Just no there there vis a vis criminality. Disease and wage diminishment are reality-based, but crime? Black criminality is extreme and a fact, one that gets lost and then dismissed when we worry about Hispanics.

    The gruesome random murder in D.C. on the fourth of liberal activist Kevin Sutherland is more important because it was part of a too oft pattern that is worsening. The most ironic murder I’ve ever heard of given the victim’s passions about Black crime and the legal system.
    He was killed in a long drawn-out manner in a train car full of people. Killer had been roaming city like he owned it for at least a few days prior and was brazen in that car.
    Actually, Killer *did* own D.C.
    Rational.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    Dahlia, that's quite a story:

    "Passengers trapped on a moving train watched in horror as Trumbull native Kevin Sutherland was robbed, beaten and stabbed to death, according to an arrest warrant affidavit released Wednesday.

    "Sutherland, 24, a former intern to U.S. Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn), was stabbed more than 30 times aboard a Metro subway car in Washington, D.C. on Saturday, as frightened passengers moved to the edges of the car. Then the suspect, Jasper Spires, turned his attention to them, the affidavit says, brandishing the bloody knife and making other passengers empty their pockets.

    "'What ya’ll got?' he demanded, according to the affidavit."

    One guy with a knife vs. a train full of D.C. commuters - and they cower in fear. How pathetic is that?
  83. @Anonymous

    Is “Wang” a Japanese name?
     
    Well, at least she's of the epicanthic Asian group and could pass for Japanese. While in one of the pictures in the article one of the "Asian" protestors is East Indian. Definitely not oriental. Btw, when and why oriental become pejorative?

    “one of the pictures in the article one of the “Asian” protestors is East Indian”

    could be dotters have a sense of humor.

  84. @Spotted Toad
    My sense is that there is a hunger among some liberal college-educated Asian-American (women) to define themselves as Oppressed People of Color. The level of excitement about this event displayed by my classmates on Facebook was pretty remarkable.

    I can't see it being a big deal among Asian American men, because they tend to see themselves in competition with both whites and NAMs, correctly.

    Exactly: The Asians who just unsuccessfully, sued Harvard (suspected “Asian quota” in admissions practice) U. So, they’re ripping a page off of SJW’s latest “aggrieved group of ethnic identity politics.” At least, they’re not carrying around a mattress or giant wardrobe on their backs!

    I went to a meeting/presentation (at our state World Affairs Council) given by my Japanese friends who showed about 90 women (both American & foreign) their precious collection of kimonos, and how they are worn/put on. Each of the kimonos were given to them by their parents when a certain milestone happened in their life. They actually allowed us to try some of them on, so, were they being disrespectful according to these bozos in Boston?

    Plus, in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, we all were rooting for the wild and tenacious ninja-like young woman just wrecking that one place in a scene with abandon. Won an Oscar. These Boston losers should be forced to walk from one high Bamboo stalk/tree to another just to prove that they are really Asian.

    Lastly, I have never been offended by Ulla in the Producers, Viking Helmeted (or Cheese) fans in Minnesota (my son’s nickname was Thor in HS), all the fascination Americans (used to) have for the sauna and what do we Nordic people really do in there?, or all the “dumb blonde” jokes I have endured.

    Museums do everything they can to pimp their art/fundraising: cocktail parties, jazz nights, masquerade parties, African Drumming, “bring-your-teen-to-the-boring, stodgy-museum night” – usually involves glow sticks and Katy Perry/Maroon 5 music; silent auctions, whatevah. All (except teen-night) involve copious amount of booze. Hmmmm….maybe these two SJW’s do not get stoked now and then. Now, there’s the ole’ standard stereotype of Scandinavians: “everything is a lot more fun with booze.”

  85. In his grave Kyu Sakamoto writhes:

  86. @Spotted Toad
    My sense is that there is a hunger among some liberal college-educated Asian-American (women) to define themselves as Oppressed People of Color. The level of excitement about this event displayed by my classmates on Facebook was pretty remarkable.

    I can't see it being a big deal among Asian American men, because they tend to see themselves in competition with both whites and NAMs, correctly.

    “My sense is that there is a hunger among some liberal college-educated Asian-American (women) to define themselves as Oppressed People of Color.”

    Working hard to be the Model Oppressed Minority.

  87. @Harold
    Yup, I've said it before: Japanese don't bitch and moan because they don't have an inferiority complex. It is no surprise one of the whingers was named Wang and not Watanabe.

    Of course Asians would never appropriate White culture by wearing suits and ties, or playing the violin etc.

    Metalheads understand how annoying cultural appropriation is: they invented the usage of the la corna hand sign in the context of musical events, only to have it spread to teenyboppers at Britney Spears concerts, to people who don't even understand its Satanic significance!

    “Yup, I’ve said it before: Japanese don’t bitch and moan because they don’t have an inferiority complex.”

    Huh?

    Japanese have a HUGE inferiority complex, even vis-a-vis other Asians.

    Little midgets think Koreans are buff, and Koreans are a bunch of sissies.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Koreans are a bunch of sissies.
     
    Gee, I don't know. Most Vietnam War vets seem to consider South Koreans extremely courageous and tough soldiers, very good allies to have.

    South Korean AORs in Vietnam were considered the safest in South Vietnam, and the ROK Marines there were renowned for their ability to ambush the Vietcong in their own terrain and excel in close-quarters combat (they were also known for, er, some atrocities, but that's another topic).

    Certainly these guys didn't seem terribly "sissy-like" during the L.A. Riots: https://youtu.be/u_J7kPNe7fI
  88. @Anonymous
    There's a bit of a difference though if you are an American of Asian descent. If anyone is interested just google how American citizens of Japanese descent were treated during 2nd world war.

    Cuieer, yes indeed, the USA interned Japanese-Americans in detention camps during WWII. A strong response to an attack on US Naval forces at Pearl Harbor. Racist? Probably. The United States apologized and paid reparations to the detainees and their survivors. We didn’t’ torture and kill them like the Japanese did to the citizens of Burma, Ceylon, Korea , Manchuria or the Philippines. I think if more was known of Japanese atrocities toward American POWs during the war, we would have probably considered deporting all of them. Read some history, or start with “Fly Boys”, the story of what the Japanese did to captured US airmen.

  89. @Harold
    Yup, I've said it before: Japanese don't bitch and moan because they don't have an inferiority complex. It is no surprise one of the whingers was named Wang and not Watanabe.

    Of course Asians would never appropriate White culture by wearing suits and ties, or playing the violin etc.

    Metalheads understand how annoying cultural appropriation is: they invented the usage of the la corna hand sign in the context of musical events, only to have it spread to teenyboppers at Britney Spears concerts, to people who don't even understand its Satanic significance!

    “Of course Asians would never appropriate White culture by wearing suits and ties, or playing the violin etc.”

    Some people seem confused about the rules- just as it’s impossible to be racist against white people because ‘racism=prejudice+power’, it’s not possible to appropriate white culture because ‘settler colonialism’ forced white culture on people all over the world.

  90. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    "In other words, the Japanese don’t really care about Arab-American Edward Said’s theories of Orientalism. Why? Because Pearl Harbor."

    Counterexample, one I'm sure will be near and dear to the hearts of many of our commenters: Jews have pulled off many impressive feats such as the polio vaccine and the theory of relativity, but whine like stuck pigs whenever someone tries to appropriate anything thought of as Jewish--anyone remember the kerfluffle over Hank Williams comparing someone to Hitler? (Yes, he did for a few million Poles and Russians as well.)

    I think it has to do with a sense of belonging. Japanese people in Japan are secure in their own country. They don't care if some foreigner wants to try on a kimono and eat sushi--they think it's kinda cool.

    Asian-Americans, on the other hand, are a minority. They're not a particularly persecuted minority, but they've been trying to buy into the whole oppressed-minority scam so prevalent in the USA today. We encourage them to do it, even.

    Notice, as well, that Ms. Wang (presumably Chinese) is defending Japanese heritage. This makes about as much sense as a Pole standing up for the Russians, or an Irishman standing up for the Brits.

    I'll close with something I saw on a TV movie--a guy's investigating the murder of a guy in a Japanese internment camp decades ago, and talks to an Asian guy. Guy is naturally anti-American, and identifies his ancestry as 'Korean, Japanese, all kinds of stuff in the mix'.

    I submit that a person of Korean and Japanese ancestry could not be comfortable in either of those countries--in Japan you'd be polluted with Korean blood, in Korea with Japanese blood. But here? You're probably one of those smart Chinese guys, man! I'll lend you money.

    “I think it has to do with a sense of belonging. Japanese people in Japan are secure in their own country. They don’t care if some foreigner wants to try on a kimono and eat sushi–they think it’s kinda cool.”

    No, Japanese are not secure in Japan.

    The reason why Japanese have been adamant about ‘us’ vs ‘gaijin’ is because they fear the outsider.

    Japanese need for security in Japan is a sign of their insecurity globally.

    Japanese even have problems with Brazilian-Japanese.

    http://ajw.asahi.com/article/views/column/AJ201507100027

  91. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @SFG
    "In other words, the Japanese don’t really care about Arab-American Edward Said’s theories of Orientalism. Why? Because Pearl Harbor."

    Counterexample, one I'm sure will be near and dear to the hearts of many of our commenters: Jews have pulled off many impressive feats such as the polio vaccine and the theory of relativity, but whine like stuck pigs whenever someone tries to appropriate anything thought of as Jewish--anyone remember the kerfluffle over Hank Williams comparing someone to Hitler? (Yes, he did for a few million Poles and Russians as well.)

    I think it has to do with a sense of belonging. Japanese people in Japan are secure in their own country. They don't care if some foreigner wants to try on a kimono and eat sushi--they think it's kinda cool.

    Asian-Americans, on the other hand, are a minority. They're not a particularly persecuted minority, but they've been trying to buy into the whole oppressed-minority scam so prevalent in the USA today. We encourage them to do it, even.

    Notice, as well, that Ms. Wang (presumably Chinese) is defending Japanese heritage. This makes about as much sense as a Pole standing up for the Russians, or an Irishman standing up for the Brits.

    I'll close with something I saw on a TV movie--a guy's investigating the murder of a guy in a Japanese internment camp decades ago, and talks to an Asian guy. Guy is naturally anti-American, and identifies his ancestry as 'Korean, Japanese, all kinds of stuff in the mix'.

    I submit that a person of Korean and Japanese ancestry could not be comfortable in either of those countries--in Japan you'd be polluted with Korean blood, in Korea with Japanese blood. But here? You're probably one of those smart Chinese guys, man! I'll lend you money.

    “in Japan you’d be polluted with Korean blood, in Korea with Japanese blood.”

    Japanese are not so much into blood thing.

    Vast majority of Koreans are now for race-mixing. Koreans even go for massive plastic surgery and hair dyeing to look transracial.

    The success of garbage gay-pop K-pop made Koreans embrace multi-culti trash even more.

    Japan now has a half-negress beauty queen.

    They’ve been cut off from their roots.

  92. Can’t have enough of the leftist fratricide.

  93. @Anonymous
    I live in Boston and I think I recognize the protestors in the picture in the article. The clueless one in the middle is Yu So Dim, the East Indian-looking one is Wai Yu So Tan, and the big one on the right is Chin Tu Fat.

    “Yu So Dim, the East Indian-looking one is Wai Yu So Tan, and the big one on the right is Chin Tu Fat”

    No, more likely Benedict Fong or Calliope Wong.

  94. @Anonymous
    There's a bit of a difference though if you are an American of Asian descent. If anyone is interested just google how American citizens of Japanese descent were treated during 2nd world war.

    “American citizens of Japanese descent were treated during 2nd world war”

    Not very well but hardly one of the great tragedies of all time.

    PS. If Jews ever get ‘interned’, send them to golf clubs.

  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey
    "This is appropriation, this is Orientalism,” they said, while wearing Western clothes, and while living in a Western country, and while demanding the right for millions of their co-ethnics to move Western countries.

    Those things wouldn’t be appropriation because contemporary Western civilization, like Christian civilization before it and Islam and Communism, claims universal status that transcends all peoples, cultures, history, time, space, etc. and has sole access to the Truth, God, Morality, Salvation, Providence, etc. Its entire raison d’être is to incorporate everybody and every thing.

  96. @Nathan Wartooth

    where Japanese and other Asians represent an often-overlooked minority.
     
    It's because you commit less crime than whites and earn more money, so the media can't use you as an example of white racism, so they just pretend like you don't exist.

    “It’s because you commit less crime than whites and earn more money”

    No, cuz it’s they can’t dance and play ball.

    American Indians can’t dance and play ball, and they get ignored too.

    Mexicans too. Incidentally, they are all Asiatic.

    Mexers are mediocre and Asians are mediocre plus.

  97. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    Only in America would a Chinese act offended on behalf of Japanese. Over there they hate each other. Using the term 'appropriate' gives people like her away. These types always use this sort of inflammatory terminology, calling any sort of cultural crossover 'theft', which is of course absurd. These people are just our domestic Red Guard who should just come out of the closet and wear their Mao t-shirts in public. These people actually prevent any interest in Asian culture from gaining traction. As always, a small vociferous minority terrorize the majority.

    “Only in America would a Chinese act offended on behalf of Japanese. Over there they hate each other.”

    This isn’t surprising.

    It’s like different African immigrants become ‘blacks’ in America.

    Different white groups become ‘whites’.

    Poles and Russians may not like one another, but they, as whites, may unite against blacks.

  98. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Asians may be smart, but they are very politically naive. They usually follow whatever is the status quo, no matter how absurd it is. So you got the Japanese living in a industrial civilization and worshipping their ruler as a God at the same time (even nowadays, Japanese political culture is extremely conservative compared to other wealthy industrialized countries). Once Mao Zedong captured the state, he managed to get the Chinese people to worship mangoes.

    Now, Asian-Americans would be fat better off allying with whites, since unlike Jews they don't have the media power to resist when the Eye of Soros is unleashed upon them. They are basically kulaks, expropriation fodder that will be the next to fall when whitey is gone, but they can't turn against Progressivism, not when it holds the Mandate of heaven. Besides, college educated urban Asians don't want to get lumped together in the same ideological side of stupid rural Christians.

    “So you got the Japanese living in a industrial civilization and worshipping their ruler as a God at the same time”

    They went overboard but it made as emperor worship and shinto are the only things that are truly Japanese. Lose that and what do Japanese have? A history of borrowing.

    And are Americans any saner when Jimmy Carter now says ‘Jesus would have been for gay marriage’?

    What kind of a sane country is it where Jews vilify whites and whites worship Jews?

    “Now, Asian-Americans would be fat better off allying with whites.”

    THAT is why they are acting like this. Asians go to colleges and ally with whites who happen to be PC and Lib.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    What kind of a sane country is it where Jews vilify whites and whites worship Jews?

     

    Technically, whites are only supposed to worship one Jew. The rest can go to Hell.
  99. @Buffalo Joe
    "....learn what it's like to be a racist, imperialist today." I think people of the Philippines and Korea know all about Japan's racist imperialism. The start of Japanese aggression and conquest in the Far East ( The Orient) , was only 75 years ago. There are still survivors of their ethnic cleansing pogroms alive in both countries and millions of next generation adults who learned to hate the Japanese. These protestors should be grateful that Japanese are allowed to travel and prosper in Asia. It wasn't that long ago that Japanese were not allowed to travel to the Philippines, takes a long time to forget atrocities. In Europe, it is almost impossible to find any Nazi era items bearing the Swastika, banned by law or discarded in shame. This protest, over a kimono, of all things, might pull a scab off of some painful memories.

    mentioning Swastika: In the same cemetery in Finland where Mannerheim, all Finnish PM’s/presidents, philosophers, writers/artists/composers are buried, as well as the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, was a big surprise to some senior American tourists I took there (no real great tram connection) which I will always remember. The mid-western couples (men were WW II vets) were shocked to see the Swastika on the tombstones of the fallen German soldiers (bodies were never claimed – it was suspected that family members were bombed or simply dead) and, across the path (this is next to the T of the U Soldier) is the Jewish cemetery, where there is a Star of David on tombstones.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    Lagertha, Thank you, totally unaware that the Swastika was on those grave markers. Maybe soon they will be removed and the corpses disinterred like here in the States and Confederate markers and war "heroes".
    , @ben tillman

    mentioning Swastika: In the same cemetery in Finland
     
    If you mention swastikas and Finland, I can't help but think of Jorma Kaukonen of the Jefferson Airplane wearing a swastika necklace on stage while performing at Woodstock. His mother was Jewish.
  100. Bichi Boizu reisisuto.

  101. @Percy Gryce

    “Have a conversation” is long for “STFU, YT.”
     
    That is excellent. I see the start of Sailer's SJW Dictionary. Here're some other entries:

    "problematic" = "anything I don't like"; verb form: "problematize"

    "privilege" = "object of my envy"

    Any others?

    Any others?

    “disturbance” = “riot, mayhem, and looting”

    “sexism” = “landing a spaceship on an asteroid while wearing a pin-up-girl shirt made by your female friend”

    “white Hispanic” = “George Zimmerman,” i.e., only known example.

    “rape” = “being lit upon by the male gaze”

  102. One culture that bitches about the world NOT appropriating their culture is France.

    French culture is gift to the world but even immigrants in France just listen to rap music and watch Hollywood.

  103. @Hacienda
    la corna:

    "Its earliest use can be seen in India, as a gesture very commonly used by Gautama Buddha as Karana Mudra which is synonymous with expulsion of demons and removal of obstacles like sickness or negative thoughts."

    The metalheads approbriated a Buddhist symbol, yet again.

    Within metal it was popularised by Ronnie James Dio (RIP) who appropriated it from his Italian grandmother. Who the Italians appropriated it from I don’t know. Of course the Italians use it to ward off evil, or to insult people as being cuckolds. The general metalhead missappropriated it as an invocation of the devil, but that didn’t stop them from being annoyed when it was missappropriated from them.

    What other symbol are you referring to?

    The umlaut was appropriated from Germans. The Pentagram was appropriated from European occult tradition.

  104. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Whether one calls it ‘appropriation’ or whatever, I do see a problem with this sort of thing if it is not about genuine understanding and appreciation.

    This case is stupid because the painting seems like a labor of love made in appreciation of another culture. And people at the event showed no sign of disrespect.

    But whatever you call it, ‘appropriation’ can be dangerous and damaging. Not because of ‘imperialism’ in the old sense but in the sense of globalist capitalism that turns everything into a cheap interchangeable product divorced from its cultural roots, source, meaning, and etc.

    Of course, it depends on what is being ‘appropriated’. If non-Westerners appropriate some Hollywood movie and have fun with it, no problem.
    But if they were to appropriate the Crucifix–holy to Christians–and use it for some cheap sales or promotional gimmick, it is stupid and shallow.

    We live in the post-modernist age where everything has been reduced to a sign.
    It’s like A CLOCKWORK ORANGE where Alex has a piece in his bedroom with Jesus turned into some dancing statuette. And for Alex, Beethoven is just gang-porn music.

    Indeed, homos are appropriating Christian icons, symbolism, and even faith to promote their sicko agenda. In turn, churches are appropriating the homo flag.

    People get tattoos with Chinese letters without even knowing what they’re about.

    In China, Mao is a fat buddha good fortune for money.

    US flag has been appropriated to be ‘gay’ with ‘rainbows’. Nothing is sacred anymore.

    This is the mentality that prevails in the art world today:

    Emma Sulkowicz appropriates the image of Jesus dragging the Cross by carrying a mattress around the campus.

    TV ads have been made mocking God and etc. I’m not religious but should we treat sacred traditions and images like that?

    The idiot protesters blame ‘orientalism’, but the real problem is bigger. It is globalism and capitalism that are now controlled by Liberal Hollywood, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Disney, Las Vegas, and etc. Disney’s idea of family values is appropriating porny behavior among kids. Some Nickelodeon kiddy show seems to have appropriated interracial porn imagery or vice versa.

    Everything is being cut off from its roots, tradition, narrative, and meaning. It is tossed around like disposable consumer items that can be donned and discarded by anyone.

    And there is often a ‘gay’ sensibility behind it because homos, for all their talent, tend to be shallow, narcissistic, and rootless: more likely to be trans-sexual and trans-racial. That Martine Rosenblatt should have married Rachel Dozewhatever in a lesbian powwow.
    When homos had to stay in the closet, they sublimated their overt narcissism and channeled it to serving grander visions. Now that they’re out of the closer and so proud of their bungholes, their cultural expression is ‘look how wonderfully queer we are’. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    Monet may have been an ‘orientalist’ but I see genuine appreciation.

    Something like Mikado by Gilbert and Sullivan might be more problematic but Topsy Turvy is a splendid movie, and we can’t judge the past by today’s standards. Besides, Mikado wasn’t meant to be a serious representation of Japan anyway. Why shouldn’t people have some fun?

    But I do worry about a capitalist-consumerist pomo sensibility where everything exists to be DJ-ed like in Tarantino films that turn everything into cheapie world-buffet excess.

    And I do find very annoying affluent whites who try to be ‘authentically black’ by going around saying “you’re racist if you don’t like reggae.”

    The hell do I care. I’m the only real race-ist.

  105. anon • Disclaimer says:

    In other words, the Japanese don’t really care about Arab-American Edward Said’s theories of Orientalism. Why? Because Pearl Harbor.

    I think there’s a lot of truth in that.

    A lot of people like to ethnic point score whereas personally I don’t care cos steam engines. Basically we win forever until someone invents fusion or FTL space ships or something equally as cool as steam engines.

    I’m sure someone will eventually – but not yet 🙂

  106. @Anonymous
    You're a dumbass. I live near the MFA and I can tell you that the only reason why no Japanese Americans showed up is cause very of them live in that area. If there were more Japanese Americans in the vicinity, they would have shown up.

    Well, I will take your point of view as a contrary datum, but that hasn’t been my experience, and my point of view has only been otherwise bolstered by the other comments in this thread and on other comment threads elsewhere on the web pertaining to this issue.

    Say, you’re not Chinese are you?

  107. @Ed
    Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests. They are empty and shrill. Most started by people looking to make a name for themselves. Protesting in Facebook or Twitter requires minimal investment of time. The fact that a few protestors showed up should have clued the museum on this protest bring about nothing. Once you cave into the mob they'll keep demanding more.

    The social justice warriors are like modern day terrorists.

    most do get ignored, but throw enough crap at the wall and something sticks.

  108. This is just stupid. Any normal person would be complimented and gratified at having foreigners show interest in his nation’s culture, traditions, folk customs and so on. The Japanese love it when white gaijin women wear kimonos. On a separate point, who cares what the Japanese think? The organizers of the event wanted to celebrate Monet, 19th century art, and French haute couture. The Japanese are involved in this only indirectly and accidentally. People of taste should start ignoring these obnoxious SJW philistines.

  109. @Lagertha
    mentioning Swastika: In the same cemetery in Finland where Mannerheim, all Finnish PM's/presidents, philosophers, writers/artists/composers are buried, as well as the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, was a big surprise to some senior American tourists I took there (no real great tram connection) which I will always remember. The mid-western couples (men were WW II vets) were shocked to see the Swastika on the tombstones of the fallen German soldiers (bodies were never claimed - it was suspected that family members were bombed or simply dead) and, across the path (this is next to the T of the U Soldier) is the Jewish cemetery, where there is a Star of David on tombstones.

    Lagertha, Thank you, totally unaware that the Swastika was on those grave markers. Maybe soon they will be removed and the corpses disinterred like here in the States and Confederate markers and war “heroes”.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    That will never happen. Finland is a weird place...my weird place. Finns prefer to be remote from the world and they do not ever let anyone else from another country tell them what to do - most regret joining the EU, lately.

    Finns like to say that they are timber wolves...they trust no one but their pack...and they know that the rest of Europe thinks they are a bunch of very reticent people, who appear to be less civilized, and no one understands them - which is very optimal for Finns.

    Plus, yuck, most dead are cremated. The bodies of the Germans that were not claimed by German families, were most likely cremated. Graves are never disinterred. Finns are also very superstitious. Christmas time every grave has a votive candle on it...quite a sight, and many people go to cemeteries on Christmas Eve to welcome the "season of light."
  110. @Buffalo Joe
    "....learn what it's like to be a racist, imperialist today." I think people of the Philippines and Korea know all about Japan's racist imperialism. The start of Japanese aggression and conquest in the Far East ( The Orient) , was only 75 years ago. There are still survivors of their ethnic cleansing pogroms alive in both countries and millions of next generation adults who learned to hate the Japanese. These protestors should be grateful that Japanese are allowed to travel and prosper in Asia. It wasn't that long ago that Japanese were not allowed to travel to the Philippines, takes a long time to forget atrocities. In Europe, it is almost impossible to find any Nazi era items bearing the Swastika, banned by law or discarded in shame. This protest, over a kimono, of all things, might pull a scab off of some painful memories.

    I realise it’s a joke, but my first thought seeing someone named Wang holding such a sign would also be that it’s a Chinese nationalist playing her part in the propaganda campaign to justify revanchist war when the PRC economy falls over in 2030.

  111. @Anonymous
    Except they haven't killed anybody. It's really terrible that you would compare a bunch of non-violent people who simply have a different ideology than you to a bunch of people who have killed thousands in the United States.

    SJWs have helped kill thousands through their support for the media’s incitement to anti-white violence.

  112. @out of Macon
    Two protesters showed up and they won. Why don't people on our side protest? I know most people on our side have jobs but still.

    It looks like these ladies have found a chink in our armor!

  113. Bruce Jenner just had his fashion options narrowed down a little.

  114. Does anyone else think that it is not a particularly good painting? It doesn’t have any appeal to me, neither in composition, colour pallette, texture…
    There also appears to me to be a weird mismatch between the more stylised head and the more realistic kimono, especially the lower portions. Everyone loves Monet and I am not one to disagree, but this painting is just uninteresting (though maybe it looks different in real life).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Is it owned by a Japanese museum who is sending it on tour here?
  115. @FactsAreImportant
    This is a good test case for finding ways to stop a Twitter mob since the SJW "concerns" are obvious nonsense. (Paris falling in love with Japanese artistry is not an insult to Japanese culture.)

    So how can the MFA weather this silliness? My suggestion is with delaying tactics and retaining control of "the dialog". "Look into" the protesters "concerns" with an eye towards "engaging" in a "serious" internal dialog. Appoint someone to work on scheduling "a constructive internal dialog" sometime in the future. Then, fold this latest bit of silliness into the MFA's existing grievance machinery as one more "cultural sensitivity" among all the others. At all times, have the MFA's internal grievance machinery be in charge of the next step. Do not reward the protestors by giving them any power or money. At each step, make the protestors expend effort to remain a part of the "process".

    The most important point is to not act instantaneously to fire someone. The MFA should instead "take these issues very seriously" and "investigate them thoroughly" after which they will "take appropriate action".

    The only way to win is to robustly counter-attack. Anything else is an admission of defeat and the prelude to your total destruction. Even immediate total surrender (which is sometimes survivable in the short term) is not just an admission of defeat but an admission of guilt. This institution will be branded racist indefinitely now and will not be able to resist any future action, since even if it can justify its actions in that case it is guilty just by association with itself.

    The only people who have survived gave nothing, admitted nothing, and counter-attacked.

  116. Hey, wait!

    I self-identify as Camille Monet, and have always dreamed of dressing in a kimono as her and having my picture taken, which will then serve ever after as my Facebook profile photo.

    And where to my dreams lie now?

    In utter ruins, that’s where.

    You SJWs have colonialized my mental world and destroyed my access to the Camille Monet/Me nexus. You have taken away who I know I am.

    So who’s the bigger bigot now?

    You, SJWs, you, that’s who.

  117. anon • Disclaimer says:

    In a way you can’t blame them. Even if the particular issue is bogus and nonsensical – cultural appropriation is how progress happens – the only way to get a fair deal in the US is to go the anti-white ethnic grievance route. Any other method of getting redress for things like quotas at Harvard will be blocked by the gate keepers.

  118. OT
    Steve,
    You can add Stephen Merchant to the list of comedians complaining about moralising prigs waging a war on noticing having a negative effect on comedy:

    http://www.infowars.com/award-winning-comedian-politically-correct-left-has-killed-comedy/

    For infowars it is actually a decent article. It contains quotes from more comedians than just Merchant.

    Note to comedians: make comedy mocking the moralising prigs—you know, like comedians did in the past.

  119. @Anonymous
    There's a bit of a difference though if you are an American of Asian descent. If anyone is interested just google how American citizens of Japanese descent were treated during 2nd world war.

    You think that’s bad? You should see how the Japanese treated…everyone else during the 2nd world war.

  120. @Dahlia
    I suspect that there must partly be some Peter Turchin explanation for the proliferation of these ethnic activists.

    OT, I don't see the Trump thing ending well. Just no there there vis a vis criminality. Disease and wage diminishment are reality-based, but crime? Black criminality is extreme and a fact, one that gets lost and then dismissed when we worry about Hispanics.

    The gruesome random murder in D.C. on the fourth of liberal activist Kevin Sutherland is more important because it was part of a too oft pattern that is worsening. The most ironic murder I've ever heard of given the victim's passions about Black crime and the legal system.
    He was killed in a long drawn-out manner in a train car full of people. Killer had been roaming city like he owned it for at least a few days prior and was brazen in that car.
    Actually, Killer *did* own D.C.
    Rational.

    Dahlia, that’s quite a story:

    “Passengers trapped on a moving train watched in horror as Trumbull native Kevin Sutherland was robbed, beaten and stabbed to death, according to an arrest warrant affidavit released Wednesday.

    “Sutherland, 24, a former intern to U.S. Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn), was stabbed more than 30 times aboard a Metro subway car in Washington, D.C. on Saturday, as frightened passengers moved to the edges of the car. Then the suspect, Jasper Spires, turned his attention to them, the affidavit says, brandishing the bloody knife and making other passengers empty their pockets.

    “‘What ya’ll got?’ he demanded, according to the affidavit.”

    One guy with a knife vs. a train full of D.C. commuters – and they cower in fear. How pathetic is that?

    • Replies: @Robert Hume
    We need to come up with a social consensus of how men should respond in situations like this. They should look at each other, nod and attack the criminal altogether at once. Once it was understood that this is proper behavior, men would do it and the aggressors would know better than to try to get away with crime in a crowd. Might have to think carefully though if the aggressor has a gun. Might work anyway.
    , @anon
    sheepdog > wolf > sheep
    , @Dahlia
    The entire things struck me as so odd but this turned out due to ignorance of D.C. laws and culture.

    I found it strange that there seemed to be no weapons among the dozen. No mea culpas about, say, having a pocket knife but freezing.

    I found it strange how brazen this man had been in his assumptions in the days' criminal events leading up to and including the murder and robberies.

    Turns out, D.C. makes self-defense all but impossible; pepper spray can only be owned by 18-year-olds and then it must be registered (!!!) For all we know, the car could have been filled with old people, women, and children so I don't have too many thoughts on their reaction, *but*, something is extremely wrong with this culture.

    The killer had attempted robbery and assaulted two people, one of whom was a cop, one or two days before but had been released due to "insufficient evidence". He was completely rational in expecting no resistance during his crime spree.

    This is the most in-depth story:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/victim-in-metro-slaying-stabbed-repeatedly-during-robbery-on-train/2015/07/07/8dd09132-249b-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html

    What's so bizarre, and haunting!, are this man's tweets. He had recently tweeted about the Confederate flag, racism, police and criminal system injustice, etc. He even made a Facebook-shareable meme about the Confederate flag being racist.
    The most bizarre tweet in my humble opinion had to be his comment complaining about the police arresting Freddie Gray for what they thought was an illegal knife which turned out to be legal.
    Take that back. He had a tweet about Blacks only committing violence when violence had been done against them.

    Dude had it bad.

    He died so horribly. Came across as a pretty sweet guy though sheltered and with provincial liberal beliefs; he was 24.

  121. @Anon
    This is a dumb dumb controversy but sort of legit to the extent that it wouldn't have permitted with other cultures.

    Imagine if museum goers decided to dress up like Medieval Jews, tribal Africans, big sombrero Mexicans, towel-headed Arabs/Muslims, etc.
    (Exception is when US politicians have to put on yarmulkas and stand before the Wailing Wall in Israel.)

    It's been true enough that Asians have been safer targets of ridicule because they are deemed less vocal and angry.

    But this case is just stupid.

    People at the museum were admiring of Japanese aesthetics and culture.

    And I like exoticism.

    Asians themselves have exoticized for export.
    And some of the results were impressive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAwhQRDSzBk

    Imagine if museum goers decided to dress up like Medieval Jews, tribal Africans, big sombrero Mexicans, towel-headed Arabs/Muslims, etc.

    No one, especially not women, wants to dress up like poor people. A Jewess in the Medici’s court in Renaissance garb, (no African example), a rich Mexican senorita’s ruffled gown, an odalisque’s ornate finery? Yes. Getting to play dress-up is fun to most women with a sense of femininity, that’s why we have these Downton Abbey parties to wear Edwardian garb. It’s not to mock, it’s to play and feel pretty.

  122. SFG says:
    @Ex Machina
    We could have a million people show up to protest and it wouldn't move the needle in the least. See, e.g., Tea Parties circa 2009/10. Reality-based whites are simply ignored, no matter how many gather and now matter how loudly we yell.

    Oh, the Tea Party was able to drag the Republican Party to the right, albeit not in a way most people here would prefer.

    Getting museum directors, a heavily left-leaning bunch, to do what you want, is another story. The threat of a boycott might be effective, but they get a lot of grants anyway.

  123. OT

    Poverty rate for white, black, and Hispanic households all 50% higher in California vs Texas

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/06/americas-future-california-or-texas/

  124. Sooner or later, I guess performances of Die Entführung aus dem Serail, Così fan tutte, Aïda, Madama Butterfly, Turandot, Salome, and, possibly even Benjamin Britten’s Prince of the Pagodas will all be banned, ’cause admiring & celebrating other cultures is racist.

  125. SFG says:
    @Percy Gryce

    “Have a conversation” is long for “STFU, YT.”
     
    That is excellent. I see the start of Sailer's SJW Dictionary. Here're some other entries:

    "problematic" = "anything I don't like"; verb form: "problematize"

    "privilege" = "object of my envy"

    Any others?

    “male gaze”= “guy I’m not attracted to [this is all men for lesbians] looking at me”

    “misogynist” = “having traditional values” [this one is really silly as I doubt even Todd Akin atually hates women]

    “sexualize” = “guy I’m not attracted to finding me attractive”

    “cishet” = “normal”

    “homophobic” = “disliking gay people” [is it a phobia? disgust seems more common]

    “privilege” = “any group I don’t like” [white, male, heterosexual, cisgendered, and sometimes gentile]

    “phallocentric” = “not specifically designed to benefit women”

    “body-positive” = “pretending morbidly obese people are sexy”

    “sex-positive” = “okay with sex, as long as I get to call the shots”

    “Christian” = “evil”

    “Christian conservative” = “crypto-Nazi”

    “check your privilege” = “bow down before the one you serve/you’re going to get what you deserve”

    “heteronormative” = “assuming heterosexuality has been the standard for thousands of years, as was actually the case”

    “progressive” = “crypto-Nazi, but with the good guys and bad guys switched”

    “intersectionality” = “sexism + racism + homophobia + anything else I forgot”

    I think this needs to be a thing. Anyone responds and I will make some more!

    • Agree: Percy Gryce
    • Replies: @fish
    I like it!

    Time to wrest the language back from the proglodyte/SJW hordes!
    , @SFG
    Guess that counts as a response

    "black bodies" = "black people, as described by Paul de Man" (thanks Crassus)

    "undocumented immigrants" = "illegal immigrants" (but we don't want to stigmatize people breaking the law)

    "Dreamer" = "kid of people who snuck in illegally"

    "matrix of domination"= [whites hurt blacks, straights hurt gays]' * [men hurt women, cis hurts trans]

    "the draft" = [crickets]

    "gender sentencing disparity" = [null set]

    "deconstructionism" = "finding ways the Great Books aren't"

    "black lives matter" = "black lives matter, and if you argue anyone else's do as well, you're racist"

    "racist" = "disagreeing with us on race" [is Louis Farrakhan not a racist?]

    "sexist" = "disagreeing with us on feminism" [is Mary Daly not a sexist?]

    "othering" = "making us feel like outsiders"

    "mansplaining" = "man disagreeing with feminists"

    "thug" = "the new n-word" (anyone want to guess what the next one will be?)

    "patriarchy" = "the Man" (emphasis on 'man'; for our younger readers, 'the Man' was a generic hippie term for the conservative establishment they were rebelling against)

    "Health At Every Size" = "being morbidly obese is OK as long as your pee isn't sweeter than Coke yet!"

    "microaggression" = "you hurt my feelings!"

    "triggered" = "reminded me of something bad in my life"

    "wow/just wow" = "you hurt my feelings!"

    "misgender" = "you didn't use my special pronoun!"

    come on guys, add a few ;)

  126. @SFG
    "In other words, the Japanese don’t really care about Arab-American Edward Said’s theories of Orientalism. Why? Because Pearl Harbor."

    Counterexample, one I'm sure will be near and dear to the hearts of many of our commenters: Jews have pulled off many impressive feats such as the polio vaccine and the theory of relativity, but whine like stuck pigs whenever someone tries to appropriate anything thought of as Jewish--anyone remember the kerfluffle over Hank Williams comparing someone to Hitler? (Yes, he did for a few million Poles and Russians as well.)

    I think it has to do with a sense of belonging. Japanese people in Japan are secure in their own country. They don't care if some foreigner wants to try on a kimono and eat sushi--they think it's kinda cool.

    Asian-Americans, on the other hand, are a minority. They're not a particularly persecuted minority, but they've been trying to buy into the whole oppressed-minority scam so prevalent in the USA today. We encourage them to do it, even.

    Notice, as well, that Ms. Wang (presumably Chinese) is defending Japanese heritage. This makes about as much sense as a Pole standing up for the Russians, or an Irishman standing up for the Brits.

    I'll close with something I saw on a TV movie--a guy's investigating the murder of a guy in a Japanese internment camp decades ago, and talks to an Asian guy. Guy is naturally anti-American, and identifies his ancestry as 'Korean, Japanese, all kinds of stuff in the mix'.

    I submit that a person of Korean and Japanese ancestry could not be comfortable in either of those countries--in Japan you'd be polluted with Korean blood, in Korea with Japanese blood. But here? You're probably one of those smart Chinese guys, man! I'll lend you money.

    I submit that a person of Korean and Japanese ancestry could not be comfortable in either of those countries–in Japan you’d be polluted with Korean blood, in Korea with Japanese blood. But here? You’re probably one of those smart Chinese guys, man! I’ll lend you money.

    “Sexyama” seems to do fine (though he hasn’t done well in the UFC). He wears both the Japanese and South Korean flags on his fight gear and seems to enjoy wild adoration in both countries:

    He’s married to a Japanese fashion model, by the way.

    Everyone loves a winner, even the Japanese and the Koreans, apparently.

  127. @Anon
    "Institutions really need to learn to ignore social media protests. "

    You're missing the more important point.

    INSTITTIONS ARE THE VERY POWERS THAT ENFORCE AND SPREAD THESE PC SANCTIMONIES.

    EXACTLY.

    And I for one have no sympathy whatsoever for museums. They and the bureaucratic non-profit cultural overlords are of the same cloth if not the same people as the destructors who ruined art and architecture schools, including the Paris Académie des Beaux-Arts. Now, because they have effectively destroyed our ability to re-produce, revive and continue the glorious civilization of the past, they justify the theft, conscription and sequestration of patrimonial treasures on the grounds of the need to preserve the goods of history that cannot be re-created. Right they cannot, because of people like THEM!!!

    That is the major reason why I hate museums: they are nothing more than a perverse criminal extortion racket which creates the very problem they set themselves up to solve. A showcase of dead culture as macabre as taking a tour of the mansion of a serial kidnapper/rapist/murderer-undertaker to see the delicately preserved corpses of the beautiful maidens he has ravaged and destroyed.

    • Replies: @Anon
    "And I for one have no sympathy whatsoever for museums. They and the bureaucratic non-profit cultural overlords are of the same cloth if not the same people as the destructors who ruined art and architecture schools, including the Paris Académie des Beaux-Arts."

    One thing I began to notice.

    In the 70s and early 80s, I went to museums and they were mostly de-politicized and sober. They just had stuff and little descriptions alongside them. No editorializing. Art museum was art museum, science museum was science museum. Sober and objective.

    But with the rise of PC, the descriptions alongside the works became more editorialized and ideological, mentioning how something is 'racist', 'sexist', 'imperialist', or blah blah.

    It's like they can't trust us to make up our own minds. We have to see everything through their eyes. We have to be told what to think.

    Another difference is the loss of sobriety, especially in science and tech museums.
    They've been turned into something like shopping malls with flashy items. They call it 'interactive' but I call it dumbing down.
  128. @Anon
    This is a dumb dumb controversy but sort of legit to the extent that it wouldn't have permitted with other cultures.

    Imagine if museum goers decided to dress up like Medieval Jews, tribal Africans, big sombrero Mexicans, towel-headed Arabs/Muslims, etc.
    (Exception is when US politicians have to put on yarmulkas and stand before the Wailing Wall in Israel.)

    It's been true enough that Asians have been safer targets of ridicule because they are deemed less vocal and angry.

    But this case is just stupid.

    People at the museum were admiring of Japanese aesthetics and culture.

    And I like exoticism.

    Asians themselves have exoticized for export.
    And some of the results were impressive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAwhQRDSzBk

    It’s been true enough that Asians have been safer targets of ridicule because they are deemed less vocal and angry.

    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=snl+linsanity&FORM=VIRE2#view=detail&mid=24E492A0B7443D41F71424E492A0B7443D41F714

    This says it all.

  129. @Percy Gryce

    “Have a conversation” is long for “STFU, YT.”
     
    That is excellent. I see the start of Sailer's SJW Dictionary. Here're some other entries:

    "problematic" = "anything I don't like"; verb form: "problematize"

    "privilege" = "object of my envy"

    Any others?

    “Controversial” – any assertion of fact, or any fact-based analysis, which potentially calls into question a key assumption or foregone conclusion of the SPLC, feminists or the LGBT lobby

    • Replies: @Jason Roberts
    "Equality" - an imaginary state of being designed to make one feel better about being a loser.

    "Discrimination" - the act whereby one recognizes one's status as a loser.
  130. @TroperA
    So I take it these SJW Asian Whinebags are going to start picketing Anime Conventions and squeal because cosplayers are "culturally appropriating" Japanese culture by dressing up in plus size fukus, buying Cheap Chinese plastic handle samurai swords, and calling each other "baka gaijin". When do they start banning performances of "The Mikado" and start dancing around bonfires containing Charlie Chan DVDs?

    They took what could have been a fun and lovely event and turned it into yet another showcase for their raging Narcissism. The only thing they succeeded in raising awareness of was how bound and determined Social Justice Warriors are to destroy any happiness they come across.

    (By the way, I used to hang out with a lot of Japanese/Asian exchange students in college and they were always thrilled when I took an interest in their culture, music and ways of dress. They even helped me make my own kimono. These "Asian Activists" probably couldn't even tell the nation of origin for any given Asian name, and probably couldn't tell the difference between an kimono and a yukata....)

    What I want to know is. when do Americans start picketing Asian-American people's homes and demanding they stop wearing T-Shirts and Jeans and eating hamburgers? Practically everything they use on a daily basis is an example of "culturally appropriating" Western-invented goods and services. What I want to know is how long do I have to share the planet with these pinch-faced, fun-killing church ladies?

    When non-westerners adopt western ways, it is cultural imperialism. When westerners adopt non-western ways, it is cultural appropriation.

  131. @Anonymous
    Asians may be smart, but they are very politically naive. They usually follow whatever is the status quo, no matter how absurd it is. So you got the Japanese living in a industrial civilization and worshipping their ruler as a God at the same time (even nowadays, Japanese political culture is extremely conservative compared to other wealthy industrialized countries). Once Mao Zedong captured the state, he managed to get the Chinese people to worship mangoes.

    Now, Asian-Americans would be fat better off allying with whites, since unlike Jews they don't have the media power to resist when the Eye of Soros is unleashed upon them. They are basically kulaks, expropriation fodder that will be the next to fall when whitey is gone, but they can't turn against Progressivism, not when it holds the Mandate of heaven. Besides, college educated urban Asians don't want to get lumped together in the same ideological side of stupid rural Christians.

    They usually follow whatever is the status quo, no matter how absurd it is.

    That’s why South Koreans rose in massive protests and overthrew the military dictatorship in the 1980s… you know, because they have what the Germans call “Kadavergehorsam” (zombie-like obedience to authority, originally meant to describe the Germans under the Nazi regime).

    While an intelligent argument can be made that East Asians are more conformist and risk-averse than Western Europeans (perhaps for both cultural and genetic reasons), it indeed absurd to suggest that “they usually follow whatever is the status quo” because history simply does not bear out that assertion.

    • Replies: @Nico
    I think a lot of what some Westerners generalize about the personality types of "East Asians" applies more pointedly to the Mandarins specifically.
    , @Anon
    "They usually follow whatever is the status quo, no matter how absurd it is."

    "That’s why South Koreans rose in massive protests and overthrew the military dictatorship in the 1980s… you know, because they have what the Germans call “Kadavergehorsam” (zombie-like obedience to authority, originally meant to describe the Germans under the Nazi regime)."

    Accident of history.

    Because South Korea was under military rule and because US backed that military rule, many young idealistic Koreans were angry and confrontational.

    That was the high point of Korean independent-spiritedness.

    In a totalitarian system like North Korea, Koreans are just mindless conformist drones.

    But under an authoritarian system with lots of social freedom but no political freedom(as in south Korea in the past), there's bound to be anger and rebellion, especially when the ruling regime is seen as a puppet of a foreign power.

    But since S. Korea turned democratic, young people increasingly turned into apathetic mindless consumers concerned only with success and status.
    Also, as US is no longer the backer of a military regime but a democratic 'partner', there is far less resistance against its influence.

    South Koreans are now just mindless followers of trends in the US.

    It will have fruiter 'marriage' in ten yrs.

  132. @SFG
    "male gaze"= "guy I'm not attracted to [this is all men for lesbians] looking at me"

    "misogynist" = "having traditional values" [this one is really silly as I doubt even Todd Akin atually hates women]

    "sexualize" = "guy I'm not attracted to finding me attractive"

    "cishet" = "normal"

    "homophobic" = "disliking gay people" [is it a phobia? disgust seems more common]

    "privilege" = "any group I don't like" [white, male, heterosexual, cisgendered, and sometimes gentile]

    "phallocentric" = "not specifically designed to benefit women"

    "body-positive" = "pretending morbidly obese people are sexy"

    "sex-positive" = "okay with sex, as long as I get to call the shots"

    "Christian" = "evil"

    "Christian conservative" = "crypto-Nazi"

    "check your privilege" = "bow down before the one you serve/you're going to get what you deserve"

    "heteronormative" = "assuming heterosexuality has been the standard for thousands of years, as was actually the case"

    "progressive" = "crypto-Nazi, but with the good guys and bad guys switched"

    "intersectionality" = "sexism + racism + homophobia + anything else I forgot"

    I think this needs to be a thing. Anyone responds and I will make some more!

    I like it!

    Time to wrest the language back from the proglodyte/SJW hordes!

  133. Some Chinese in the UK have been trying on the victim suit of the oppressed minority for size, with little success so far. The blogger and former model Anna Chen (ex-girlfriend of the late Keith Moon) is one.

    IIRC the rock band Queen liked to appropriate this particular image in their early years.

    http://ladyislingering.tumblr.com/post/4734525515/freddie-mercury-in-kimonos-appreciation-post

    Not to mention Ron and Russell Mael

  134. Speaking of Donald Trump, American Thinker posted this article about some uncomfortable truths then Donald Trump mentionned. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/donald_trump_raises_uncomfortable_truths.html

    • Replies: @Lackawanna
    I cringe whenever "American Thinker" comes up on an alt-right blog. AM is a neocon outfit designed to mix quasi-far right takes on racial issues and immigration with hardcore neoconservatism. The idea is to keep disgruntled conservatives on the reservation and away from people like us. We shouldn't be linking to or promoting this effort in any way.
  135. Whatever you do, Steve, don’t ever stop being the world’s best journalists’ journalist.
    Good health( Sæl ) from Norway:

  136. @Anonymous

    Is “Wang” a Japanese name?
     
    Well, at least she's of the epicanthic Asian group and could pass for Japanese. While in one of the pictures in the article one of the "Asian" protestors is East Indian. Definitely not oriental. Btw, when and why oriental become pejorative?

    “Btw, when and why oriental become pejorative?”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism_%28book%29

    “Orientalism (1978), by Edward Said, is a critical study of the cultural representations that are the bases of Orientalism, the West’s patronizing perceptions and fictional depictions of “the East” — the societies and peoples who inhabit the places of Asia, North Africa, and the Middle East. That Orientalism, Western scholarship about the Eastern World, was and remains inextricably tied to the imperialist societies who produced it, which makes much Orientalist work inherently political and servile to power, and thus intellectually suspect.”

  137. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Counterexample, one I’m sure will be near and dear to the hearts of many of our commenters: Jews have pulled off many impressive feats such as the polio vaccine and the theory of relativity, but whine like stuck pigs whenever someone tries to appropriate anything thought of as Jewish–
     
    Have any Jews ever complained about non-Jews appropriating Marxism, Freudian analysis, Bergson's notion of the élan vital , Derrida's theory of Deconstruction, Claude Lévi-Strauss' structuralism, etc?

    anyone remember the kerfluffle over Hank Williams comparing someone to Hitler?
     
    Hitler is far too near and dear to the Jews.He's their ultimate "get-out-of-jail-free" card for anything bad that they do.

    Those aren’t “Jewish” culture anymore than Adam Smith or Carl Jung is “Christian” culture. Hell since Karl Marx was originally baptised why not make him part of “Christian” culture.

    Better comparison would be if Museums passed around yarmulke for visitors to wear.

    But as some other poster mentioned, this is about liberals fighting liberals. Conservatives shouldn’t get angry about this, we should be encouraging this type of fights. Let them eat each other.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Those aren’t “Jewish” culture anymore than Adam Smith or Carl Jung is “Christian” culture. Hell since Karl Marx was originally baptised why not make him part of “Christian” culture.
     
    According to Matt Weiner, Marx, Freud, and Einstein are the Jewish Holy Trinity.So, that's two out of three.....
    , @syonredux

    Better comparison would be if Museums passed around yarmulke for visitors to wear.
     
    Christians wear yarmulkes all the time.Last Bar Mitzvah I attended, all of the male Christian guests (nearly half of the males in attendance) wore them. For that matter, check out Christian politicians when they visit synagogues.Wearing a yarmulke is de rigueur.
  138. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    http://www.the-tls.co.uk/tls/public/article1578342.ece

    Interesting article but overlooks the point as to why ‘Anglocentrism’ really harms the world.

    Anglo-centrism isn’t controlled by Anglos or even Anglo-Americans.
    US media and publishing are controlled by Jews. So, the use of English language is controlled by people who publish Daniel Goldhagen but not Solzhenitsyn and gives too much air to time to people like Victoria Nuland and flunkies like John Bolton.

    Jews have ‘appropriated’ English–the globalist lingua franca–as a vehicle for their own their power and influence.
    This is why Palestinian suffering gets so little attention in the US. The media are controlled by Zionsts and their minions.

    This is why there is so much anti-Russian press in the EU. Most Europeans know English and get news from English sources dominated by Jewish media moguls and EU politician flunkies of the US globalist world order.
    But they don’t know Russian, so they don’t get the Russian side of things.

    So, the real problem of English domination of the world is political than matters of linguistics.

    Since so many elites come to US and UK to study–and are bombarded with English language media even in non-western nations–, they come to see the world from a Judeo-American POV. Even Judeo/Homo POV as Jews use English to promote the sacrality of homos 24/7.

  139. I demand that all Asians, especially Asian-Americans, stop fetishisizing Western culture and cease wearing all Western attire, including business suits, jeans, and slacks of all sorts. And stop teachinig your children to play the piano and violin, dammit!!! The appropriation must stop.

    Also, Asian women need to stop their fascination with our white male bodies. I feel “othered” and exoticised every time I interact with one. It’s demeaning.

    And enough with the Korean and Japanese golfers. Play your own fuckin’ sports.

    • Replies: @Duke of Qin
    Quite amusing, but Golf isn't exactly a singularly European (or more specifically Scottish) sport.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Ming_Emperor_Xuande_playing_Golf.jpg
  140. @Twinkie

    They usually follow whatever is the status quo, no matter how absurd it is.
     
    That's why South Koreans rose in massive protests and overthrew the military dictatorship in the 1980s... you know, because they have what the Germans call "Kadavergehorsam" (zombie-like obedience to authority, originally meant to describe the Germans under the Nazi regime).

    While an intelligent argument can be made that East Asians are more conformist and risk-averse than Western Europeans (perhaps for both cultural and genetic reasons), it indeed absurd to suggest that "they usually follow whatever is the status quo" because history simply does not bear out that assertion.

    I think a lot of what some Westerners generalize about the personality types of “East Asians” applies more pointedly to the Mandarins specifically.

  141. @Harold
    Does anyone else think that it is not a particularly good painting? It doesn't have any appeal to me, neither in composition, colour pallette, texture…
    There also appears to me to be a weird mismatch between the more stylised head and the more realistic kimono, especially the lower portions. Everyone loves Monet and I am not one to disagree, but this painting is just uninteresting (though maybe it looks different in real life).

    Is it owned by a Japanese museum who is sending it on tour here?

    • Replies: @Harold
    It belongs to the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston. "New York; 1956, sold by Duveen to the MFA for $45,000"
    http://www.mfa.org/collections/object/la-japonaise-camille-monet-in-japanese-costume-33556

    Here is a better picture of it where the difference between the head and kimono doesn't look as incongruous:

    http://uploads2.wikiart.org/images/claude-monet/japan-s-camille-monet-in-japanese-costume-1876.jpg

    , @TK421
    It is part of MFA's collection
    http://www.mfa.org/collections/object/la-japonaise-camille-monet-in-japanese-costume-33556
  142. @Anon
    Those aren't "Jewish" culture anymore than Adam Smith or Carl Jung is "Christian" culture. Hell since Karl Marx was originally baptised why not make him part of "Christian" culture.

    Better comparison would be if Museums passed around yarmulke for visitors to wear.

    But as some other poster mentioned, this is about liberals fighting liberals. Conservatives shouldn't get angry about this, we should be encouraging this type of fights. Let them eat each other.

    Those aren’t “Jewish” culture anymore than Adam Smith or Carl Jung is “Christian” culture. Hell since Karl Marx was originally baptised why not make him part of “Christian” culture.

    According to Matt Weiner, Marx, Freud, and Einstein are the Jewish Holy Trinity.So, that’s two out of three…..

  143. @Anon
    Those aren't "Jewish" culture anymore than Adam Smith or Carl Jung is "Christian" culture. Hell since Karl Marx was originally baptised why not make him part of "Christian" culture.

    Better comparison would be if Museums passed around yarmulke for visitors to wear.

    But as some other poster mentioned, this is about liberals fighting liberals. Conservatives shouldn't get angry about this, we should be encouraging this type of fights. Let them eat each other.

    Better comparison would be if Museums passed around yarmulke for visitors to wear.

    Christians wear yarmulkes all the time.Last Bar Mitzvah I attended, all of the male Christian guests (nearly half of the males in attendance) wore them. For that matter, check out Christian politicians when they visit synagogues.Wearing a yarmulke is de rigueur.

  144. @vinteuil
    Dahlia, that's quite a story:

    "Passengers trapped on a moving train watched in horror as Trumbull native Kevin Sutherland was robbed, beaten and stabbed to death, according to an arrest warrant affidavit released Wednesday.

    "Sutherland, 24, a former intern to U.S. Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn), was stabbed more than 30 times aboard a Metro subway car in Washington, D.C. on Saturday, as frightened passengers moved to the edges of the car. Then the suspect, Jasper Spires, turned his attention to them, the affidavit says, brandishing the bloody knife and making other passengers empty their pockets.

    "'What ya’ll got?' he demanded, according to the affidavit."

    One guy with a knife vs. a train full of D.C. commuters - and they cower in fear. How pathetic is that?

    We need to come up with a social consensus of how men should respond in situations like this. They should look at each other, nod and attack the criminal altogether at once. Once it was understood that this is proper behavior, men would do it and the aggressors would know better than to try to get away with crime in a crowd. Might have to think carefully though if the aggressor has a gun. Might work anyway.

    • Replies: @anon
    That would be a good idea but you always need either one person prepared to go in first or two people who know in advance they'll back each other up.

    Maybe some kind of vigilante equivalent of Grindr?

    You sign up and if there's an incident you can check if there's any one else on the same carriage who's signed up and if yes then you both / all roll on a signal - anyone who signed up but doesn't roll on the signal gets scum-shamed over the interwebs.
    , @vinteuil
    "They should look at each other, nod and attack the criminal altogether at once."

    Yes - exactly.
  145. @vinteuil
    Dahlia, that's quite a story:

    "Passengers trapped on a moving train watched in horror as Trumbull native Kevin Sutherland was robbed, beaten and stabbed to death, according to an arrest warrant affidavit released Wednesday.

    "Sutherland, 24, a former intern to U.S. Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn), was stabbed more than 30 times aboard a Metro subway car in Washington, D.C. on Saturday, as frightened passengers moved to the edges of the car. Then the suspect, Jasper Spires, turned his attention to them, the affidavit says, brandishing the bloody knife and making other passengers empty their pockets.

    "'What ya’ll got?' he demanded, according to the affidavit."

    One guy with a knife vs. a train full of D.C. commuters - and they cower in fear. How pathetic is that?

    sheepdog > wolf > sheep

    • Replies: @Anon
    "sheepdog > wolf > sheep"

    From American Sniper, right?

    The sad irony is no one in the film wonders about who the shepherd may be.

    Kyle the sheepdog serves the shepherd, but who might he be? Hmmm?

    And is Kyle a real sheepdog or naturally a 'wolf in sheepdog's clothing' who jumps at the opportunity to kill a whole lot of people in another country? He believes he's defending America, but he ends up fighting Iraqi sheedogs who are defending their own turf from foreign invaders.

    Makers didn't spell it all out, and it is a patriotic movie in a way. But it is also an ambiguous movie in the best way that exposes the naivete of patriotism. It shows sincerity among the patriots but how that sincerity turns them into unthinking dogs manipulated by others whom we never see but really pull the strings.

  146. @Hrw-500
    Speaking of Donald Trump, American Thinker posted this article about some uncomfortable truths then Donald Trump mentionned. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/donald_trump_raises_uncomfortable_truths.html

    I cringe whenever “American Thinker” comes up on an alt-right blog. AM is a neocon outfit designed to mix quasi-far right takes on racial issues and immigration with hardcore neoconservatism. The idea is to keep disgruntled conservatives on the reservation and away from people like us. We shouldn’t be linking to or promoting this effort in any way.

  147. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Nico
    EXACTLY.

    And I for one have no sympathy whatsoever for museums. They and the bureaucratic non-profit cultural overlords are of the same cloth if not the same people as the destructors who ruined art and architecture schools, including the Paris Académie des Beaux-Arts. Now, because they have effectively destroyed our ability to re-produce, revive and continue the glorious civilization of the past, they justify the theft, conscription and sequestration of patrimonial treasures on the grounds of the need to preserve the goods of history that cannot be re-created. Right they cannot, because of people like THEM!!!

    That is the major reason why I hate museums: they are nothing more than a perverse criminal extortion racket which creates the very problem they set themselves up to solve. A showcase of dead culture as macabre as taking a tour of the mansion of a serial kidnapper/rapist/murderer-undertaker to see the delicately preserved corpses of the beautiful maidens he has ravaged and destroyed.

    “And I for one have no sympathy whatsoever for museums. They and the bureaucratic non-profit cultural overlords are of the same cloth if not the same people as the destructors who ruined art and architecture schools, including the Paris Académie des Beaux-Arts.”

    One thing I began to notice.

    In the 70s and early 80s, I went to museums and they were mostly de-politicized and sober. They just had stuff and little descriptions alongside them. No editorializing. Art museum was art museum, science museum was science museum. Sober and objective.

    But with the rise of PC, the descriptions alongside the works became more editorialized and ideological, mentioning how something is ‘racist’, ‘sexist’, ‘imperialist’, or blah blah.

    It’s like they can’t trust us to make up our own minds. We have to see everything through their eyes. We have to be told what to think.

    Another difference is the loss of sobriety, especially in science and tech museums.
    They’ve been turned into something like shopping malls with flashy items. They call it ‘interactive’ but I call it dumbing down.

    • Replies: @Anon
    A prime example of dumbing down and mindless politicizing.

    To get to the damn U-boat, one must walk through an entire hall of blaring propaganda that clobbers you over the head with the message that

    NAZIS WERE BAD, NAZIS WERE BAD.

    It even features some hokey models of a white sailor and black sailor shipwrecked together.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSV705p_S68
  148. Personally I am outraged, outraged I tell you by the Asian fad for bleaching their hair to a noble ginger color. The streets of the capital of my country, the gingerest on the planet, are at this moment (Festival looming) thronged with wealthy young tourists who have appropriated this facet of my genetic heritage. #wronghair
    Until they’ve walked a mile in my barnet …
    Rayciss, so it is.

    Is “Wang” a Japanese name? What do think this is, Viz comic or something?
    About as Japanese as “Siyuan”, I’d guess.

  149. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    "And I for one have no sympathy whatsoever for museums. They and the bureaucratic non-profit cultural overlords are of the same cloth if not the same people as the destructors who ruined art and architecture schools, including the Paris Académie des Beaux-Arts."

    One thing I began to notice.

    In the 70s and early 80s, I went to museums and they were mostly de-politicized and sober. They just had stuff and little descriptions alongside them. No editorializing. Art museum was art museum, science museum was science museum. Sober and objective.

    But with the rise of PC, the descriptions alongside the works became more editorialized and ideological, mentioning how something is 'racist', 'sexist', 'imperialist', or blah blah.

    It's like they can't trust us to make up our own minds. We have to see everything through their eyes. We have to be told what to think.

    Another difference is the loss of sobriety, especially in science and tech museums.
    They've been turned into something like shopping malls with flashy items. They call it 'interactive' but I call it dumbing down.

    A prime example of dumbing down and mindless politicizing.

    To get to the damn U-boat, one must walk through an entire hall of blaring propaganda that clobbers you over the head with the message that

    NAZIS WERE BAD, NAZIS WERE BAD.

    It even features some hokey models of a white sailor and black sailor shipwrecked together.

  150. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Hume
    We need to come up with a social consensus of how men should respond in situations like this. They should look at each other, nod and attack the criminal altogether at once. Once it was understood that this is proper behavior, men would do it and the aggressors would know better than to try to get away with crime in a crowd. Might have to think carefully though if the aggressor has a gun. Might work anyway.

    That would be a good idea but you always need either one person prepared to go in first or two people who know in advance they’ll back each other up.

    Maybe some kind of vigilante equivalent of Grindr?

    You sign up and if there’s an incident you can check if there’s any one else on the same carriage who’s signed up and if yes then you both / all roll on a signal – anyone who signed up but doesn’t roll on the signal gets scum-shamed over the interwebs.

  151. @Steve Sailer
    Is it owned by a Japanese museum who is sending it on tour here?

    It belongs to the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston. “New York; 1956, sold by Duveen to the MFA for $45,000”
    http://www.mfa.org/collections/object/la-japonaise-camille-monet-in-japanese-costume-33556

    Here is a better picture of it where the difference between the head and kimono doesn’t look as incongruous:

  152. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    sheepdog > wolf > sheep

    “sheepdog > wolf > sheep”

    From American Sniper, right?

    The sad irony is no one in the film wonders about who the shepherd may be.

    Kyle the sheepdog serves the shepherd, but who might he be? Hmmm?

    And is Kyle a real sheepdog or naturally a ‘wolf in sheepdog’s clothing’ who jumps at the opportunity to kill a whole lot of people in another country? He believes he’s defending America, but he ends up fighting Iraqi sheedogs who are defending their own turf from foreign invaders.

    Makers didn’t spell it all out, and it is a patriotic movie in a way. But it is also an ambiguous movie in the best way that exposes the naivete of patriotism. It shows sincerity among the patriots but how that sincerity turns them into unthinking dogs manipulated by others whom we never see but really pull the strings.

  153. Harlem on My Mind, at the Met in 1969, might have been the first example of a big museum caving to PC protest.

    https://journals.ku.edu/index.php/amerstud/article/view/3141
    http://www.as-ap.org/content/landmark-introduction-harlem-my-mind-matthew-israel-0
    https://books.google.com/books?id=dItWAJxHT2MC&pg=PA164&lpg=PA164

    “John Canaday, then the senior art critic at The New York Times, called “Harlem on My Mind” a sociology exhibition rather than an art exhibition and believed he had no responsibility to review it. Because he believed it wrongly politicized the museum, Hilton Kramer, also in The New York Times, said the appearance of “Harlem on My Mind” signaled a crisis for art, and in his review called the show “an amateur exercise in social evangelism,” Hoving “impatient with the…often unmeasurable benefactions that a deep attachment to the art experience bestows on our spirit and on our emotions,” and concluded:

    “There can be no doubt that in mounting the “Harlem on my Mind” exhibition, Mr. Hoving has for the first time politicized the Metropolitan and thereby cast doubt on its future integrity as an institution consecrated above all to the task of preserving our artistic heritage from the fickle encroachments of history.”(17)

    In The Nation, Lawrence Alloway added that the Met (with the appearance of “Harlem”) was now becoming vulnerable to any special interests that decided to apply pressure; thus he made recommendations for other shows. He wrote, “How about: “Salon de Backlash,” an annual poor whites’ art show, “Swing with the Tongs,” a new look at old Chinatown; “The Mafia as Art Collectors;” “Ten Abstract Expressionist Teamsters;” and “Cop Art,” arranged for the museum by the Police Athletic League.”(18)15

    I guess at that point, the NYT and the art scene, while already leftist, had not yet become PC?

  154. Dahlia says:
    @vinteuil
    Dahlia, that's quite a story:

    "Passengers trapped on a moving train watched in horror as Trumbull native Kevin Sutherland was robbed, beaten and stabbed to death, according to an arrest warrant affidavit released Wednesday.

    "Sutherland, 24, a former intern to U.S. Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn), was stabbed more than 30 times aboard a Metro subway car in Washington, D.C. on Saturday, as frightened passengers moved to the edges of the car. Then the suspect, Jasper Spires, turned his attention to them, the affidavit says, brandishing the bloody knife and making other passengers empty their pockets.

    "'What ya’ll got?' he demanded, according to the affidavit."

    One guy with a knife vs. a train full of D.C. commuters - and they cower in fear. How pathetic is that?

    The entire things struck me as so odd but this turned out due to ignorance of D.C. laws and culture.

    I found it strange that there seemed to be no weapons among the dozen. No mea culpas about, say, having a pocket knife but freezing.

    I found it strange how brazen this man had been in his assumptions in the days’ criminal events leading up to and including the murder and robberies.

    Turns out, D.C. makes self-defense all but impossible; pepper spray can only be owned by 18-year-olds and then it must be registered (!!!) For all we know, the car could have been filled with old people, women, and children so I don’t have too many thoughts on their reaction, *but*, something is extremely wrong with this culture.

    The killer had attempted robbery and assaulted two people, one of whom was a cop, one or two days before but had been released due to “insufficient evidence”. He was completely rational in expecting no resistance during his crime spree.

    This is the most in-depth story:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/victim-in-metro-slaying-stabbed-repeatedly-during-robbery-on-train/2015/07/07/8dd09132-249b-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html

    What’s so bizarre, and haunting!, are this man’s tweets. He had recently tweeted about the Confederate flag, racism, police and criminal system injustice, etc. He even made a Facebook-shareable meme about the Confederate flag being racist.
    The most bizarre tweet in my humble opinion had to be his comment complaining about the police arresting Freddie Gray for what they thought was an illegal knife which turned out to be legal.
    Take that back. He had a tweet about Blacks only committing violence when violence had been done against them.

    Dude had it bad.

    He died so horribly. Came across as a pretty sweet guy though sheltered and with provincial liberal beliefs; he was 24.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    "He died so horribly. Came across as a pretty sweet guy though sheltered and with provincial liberal beliefs; he was 24."

    Could have been one of the students in my upcoming Ethics class. Poor little fool.
    , @casey
    Attempting to subdue a crazed individual who is waving a knife around is no straightforward task. I don't think the victim, attacked so suddenly, would have been able to pull out a weapon and defend himself either. There is a reason why it sometimes takes six cops to subdue a deranged individual.
    , @The most deplorable one
    He died so horribly. Came across as a pretty sweet guy though sheltered and with provincial liberal beliefs; he was 24.

    I think he deserved it and I have no sympathy.

    I hope that it hurt him physically when the blade sank into his body all those times and mentally to finally realize that he was so wrong. At least he will not pass his genes on to future generations.

  155. @Robert Hume
    We need to come up with a social consensus of how men should respond in situations like this. They should look at each other, nod and attack the criminal altogether at once. Once it was understood that this is proper behavior, men would do it and the aggressors would know better than to try to get away with crime in a crowd. Might have to think carefully though if the aggressor has a gun. Might work anyway.

    “They should look at each other, nod and attack the criminal altogether at once.”

    Yes – exactly.

  156. @Steve Sailer
    Is it owned by a Japanese museum who is sending it on tour here?
  157. @Nico
    "Controversial" - any assertion of fact, or any fact-based analysis, which potentially calls into question a key assumption or foregone conclusion of the SPLC, feminists or the LGBT lobby

    “Equality” – an imaginary state of being designed to make one feel better about being a loser.

    “Discrimination” – the act whereby one recognizes one’s status as a loser.

  158. @Dahlia
    The entire things struck me as so odd but this turned out due to ignorance of D.C. laws and culture.

    I found it strange that there seemed to be no weapons among the dozen. No mea culpas about, say, having a pocket knife but freezing.

    I found it strange how brazen this man had been in his assumptions in the days' criminal events leading up to and including the murder and robberies.

    Turns out, D.C. makes self-defense all but impossible; pepper spray can only be owned by 18-year-olds and then it must be registered (!!!) For all we know, the car could have been filled with old people, women, and children so I don't have too many thoughts on their reaction, *but*, something is extremely wrong with this culture.

    The killer had attempted robbery and assaulted two people, one of whom was a cop, one or two days before but had been released due to "insufficient evidence". He was completely rational in expecting no resistance during his crime spree.

    This is the most in-depth story:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/victim-in-metro-slaying-stabbed-repeatedly-during-robbery-on-train/2015/07/07/8dd09132-249b-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html

    What's so bizarre, and haunting!, are this man's tweets. He had recently tweeted about the Confederate flag, racism, police and criminal system injustice, etc. He even made a Facebook-shareable meme about the Confederate flag being racist.
    The most bizarre tweet in my humble opinion had to be his comment complaining about the police arresting Freddie Gray for what they thought was an illegal knife which turned out to be legal.
    Take that back. He had a tweet about Blacks only committing violence when violence had been done against them.

    Dude had it bad.

    He died so horribly. Came across as a pretty sweet guy though sheltered and with provincial liberal beliefs; he was 24.

    “He died so horribly. Came across as a pretty sweet guy though sheltered and with provincial liberal beliefs; he was 24.”

    Could have been one of the students in my upcoming Ethics class. Poor little fool.

    • Replies: @Dahlia
    Hurts my heart. He had a neurological disorder and I can't help but wonder if this handicap and his sunniness is what made him a target. Could have been my teen-aged son who is so much like him in bearing, sweet and well-loved, but has some physical problems.
    This one has affected a lot of people.
  159. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    The kimonos are beautiful. They are garments.

    Most ladies never get to wear one or even try one on like in this perfectly nice event.

    Of course it is going to appeal to people. You get to experience something special.

    The protesters are ignorant jerks.

  160. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    They usually follow whatever is the status quo, no matter how absurd it is.
     
    That's why South Koreans rose in massive protests and overthrew the military dictatorship in the 1980s... you know, because they have what the Germans call "Kadavergehorsam" (zombie-like obedience to authority, originally meant to describe the Germans under the Nazi regime).

    While an intelligent argument can be made that East Asians are more conformist and risk-averse than Western Europeans (perhaps for both cultural and genetic reasons), it indeed absurd to suggest that "they usually follow whatever is the status quo" because history simply does not bear out that assertion.

    “They usually follow whatever is the status quo, no matter how absurd it is.”

    “That’s why South Koreans rose in massive protests and overthrew the military dictatorship in the 1980s… you know, because they have what the Germans call “Kadavergehorsam” (zombie-like obedience to authority, originally meant to describe the Germans under the Nazi regime).”

    Accident of history.

    Because South Korea was under military rule and because US backed that military rule, many young idealistic Koreans were angry and confrontational.

    That was the high point of Korean independent-spiritedness.

    In a totalitarian system like North Korea, Koreans are just mindless conformist drones.

    But under an authoritarian system with lots of social freedom but no political freedom(as in south Korea in the past), there’s bound to be anger and rebellion, especially when the ruling regime is seen as a puppet of a foreign power.

    But since S. Korea turned democratic, young people increasingly turned into apathetic mindless consumers concerned only with success and status.
    Also, as US is no longer the backer of a military regime but a democratic ‘partner’, there is far less resistance against its influence.

    South Koreans are now just mindless followers of trends in the US.

    It will have fruiter ‘marriage’ in ten yrs.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Accident of history.
     
    Those Koreans sure do seem to have a lot of "accidents history" for people who are supposedly mindless drones obedient to authority.

    In 1960, their First Republic fell in a massive, nationwide protest after some demonstrating university students were shot by police officers.

    The Second Republic was racked by continual riots (including those by elementary school pupils who would protest re-assignment of popular teachers, for example). The disorder was such that the subsequent military coup was welcomed by the majority in order to restore order.

    Then the leader of the coup, General (later President) Park Chung-Hee, went against the popular sentiment and established diplomatic relationship with Japan in return for Japanese investment, with which money he built POSCO (against all international advice to the contrary). POSCO is now one of the greatest steelmakers and shipbuilders in the world, and was in large part responsible for igniting the South Korean post-war economic miracle.

    After he was assassinated, there was another military coup and dictatorship, which too fell to popular demonstrations, that led to elections in the late 1980's and full democratization.

    Far from being docile and mindless, South Koreans seem, if anything, quite cantankerous. I think it was P. J. O'Rourke who said that Koreans are "hard-drinking, hard-headed tough little bastards, the Irishmen of Asia."

    It will have fruiter ‘marriage’ in ten yrs.
     
    South Korea only in the last couple of years decriminalized adultery. I strongly doubt it will have "homosexual marriage" in ten years. It has a very Westernized material culture, but its social culture is still quite traditional and in any case is strongly affected by a highly evangelical strain of Protestantism (to which about a quarter or so of the population subscribes).
  161. matt says:
    @syonredux

    Maybe not Pearl Harbor, but not too shabby either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Badr_(1973)
     
    Some historians have speculated that the 1973 war made the Camp David Accords possible.After the humiliating Six-Day War, the substantially better showing by the Arabs in 1973 restored their self-respect.Hence, peace could be thought of as a compromise between equals.

    I agree that the 1973 war made peace possible, but not in the way you’re thinking. Sadat had already offered peace in 1971 in exchange for the Sinai, only to be contemptuously ignored by the Israelis.

    The 1973 war wasn’t about “restoring Arab self-respect” or any of that nonsense. It was about convincing the Israelis, in “the only language those people understand”, that Arab armies could inflict serious damage on them, so that they had better negotiate for peace sooner rather than later.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    The 1973 war wasn’t about “restoring Arab self-respect” or any of that nonsense.
     
    Didn't say that it was about “restoring Arab self-respect.” I said that it had that effect.The Six-Day War was very humiliating for the Arabs. The 1973 War helped to restore their martial self-respect.
  162. @out of Macon
    Two protesters showed up and they won. Why don't people on our side protest? I know most people on our side have jobs but still.

    Why don’t people on our side protest?

    Because, unfortunately, you need money to live and support your family. THEY can cajole, shriek, threaten and endlessly ballbust – and never once have to sweat out how an employer might react. WE can’t, because we’ll get back to the office to find our desks already cleared out.

    Go acquaint yourself with the fallout of the gay-baker case in Oregon, in case any of the above was too vaguely worded for you.

  163. @Dahlia
    The entire things struck me as so odd but this turned out due to ignorance of D.C. laws and culture.

    I found it strange that there seemed to be no weapons among the dozen. No mea culpas about, say, having a pocket knife but freezing.

    I found it strange how brazen this man had been in his assumptions in the days' criminal events leading up to and including the murder and robberies.

    Turns out, D.C. makes self-defense all but impossible; pepper spray can only be owned by 18-year-olds and then it must be registered (!!!) For all we know, the car could have been filled with old people, women, and children so I don't have too many thoughts on their reaction, *but*, something is extremely wrong with this culture.

    The killer had attempted robbery and assaulted two people, one of whom was a cop, one or two days before but had been released due to "insufficient evidence". He was completely rational in expecting no resistance during his crime spree.

    This is the most in-depth story:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/victim-in-metro-slaying-stabbed-repeatedly-during-robbery-on-train/2015/07/07/8dd09132-249b-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html

    What's so bizarre, and haunting!, are this man's tweets. He had recently tweeted about the Confederate flag, racism, police and criminal system injustice, etc. He even made a Facebook-shareable meme about the Confederate flag being racist.
    The most bizarre tweet in my humble opinion had to be his comment complaining about the police arresting Freddie Gray for what they thought was an illegal knife which turned out to be legal.
    Take that back. He had a tweet about Blacks only committing violence when violence had been done against them.

    Dude had it bad.

    He died so horribly. Came across as a pretty sweet guy though sheltered and with provincial liberal beliefs; he was 24.

    Attempting to subdue a crazed individual who is waving a knife around is no straightforward task. I don’t think the victim, attacked so suddenly, would have been able to pull out a weapon and defend himself either. There is a reason why it sometimes takes six cops to subdue a deranged individual.

  164. Dahlia says:
    @vinteuil
    "He died so horribly. Came across as a pretty sweet guy though sheltered and with provincial liberal beliefs; he was 24."

    Could have been one of the students in my upcoming Ethics class. Poor little fool.

    Hurts my heart. He had a neurological disorder and I can’t help but wonder if this handicap and his sunniness is what made him a target. Could have been my teen-aged son who is so much like him in bearing, sweet and well-loved, but has some physical problems.
    This one has affected a lot of people.

  165. Asians are jumping onboard the gibsmedat train. Minorities whined there wasn’t enough of their culture on display when it was competing against white culture, so liberals caved and gave them what they wanted, now when it is on display, it is labeled cultural appropriation and discrimination, so minorities can pretend to deserve more handouts. Meanwhile, they’re intentionally taking every opportunity to get rid of white and white American culture such as the Confederate flag, and anything related, and say we’re the privileged ones.

    Prescient redneck comedians like Larry the Cable Guy saw this coming years ago:

  166. @Crank
    I demand that all Asians, especially Asian-Americans, stop fetishisizing Western culture and cease wearing all Western attire, including business suits, jeans, and slacks of all sorts. And stop teachinig your children to play the piano and violin, dammit!!! The appropriation must stop.

    Also, Asian women need to stop their fascination with our white male bodies. I feel "othered" and exoticised every time I interact with one. It's demeaning.

    And enough with the Korean and Japanese golfers. Play your own fuckin' sports.

    Quite amusing, but Golf isn’t exactly a singularly European (or more specifically Scottish) sport.

  167. Personally, I’m pretty thankful that Akira Kurosawa culturally appropriated Shakespeare, Gorky, Dostoevsky, film noir and American crime novels.

  168. @penntothal
    "Piss-Christ" was finally removed from the AP picture library in 2015 - after decades of polite protest by Christians.

    Why now, in 2015? The AP expressed concern for offending religious sensibilities after the Paris massacre of the Hebdo cartoonists.

    The tactics of the Islamists can be barbaric and horrible, but they are effective.

    Why now, in 2015? The AP expressed concern for offending religious sensibilities after the Paris massacre of the Hebdo cartoonists.

    The tactics of the Islamists can be barbaric and horrible, but they are effective.

    They finally realized that “Piss Christ” insulted one of the prophets of Islam.

    Remember, some Christians may have bitched about “The Life of Brian”, but it was the Mohammedans who actually showed up at protests. (Don’t remember if there were death threats.)

  169. @Anon
    "So you got the Japanese living in a industrial civilization and worshipping their ruler as a God at the same time"

    They went overboard but it made as emperor worship and shinto are the only things that are truly Japanese. Lose that and what do Japanese have? A history of borrowing.

    And are Americans any saner when Jimmy Carter now says 'Jesus would have been for gay marriage'?

    What kind of a sane country is it where Jews vilify whites and whites worship Jews?

    "Now, Asian-Americans would be fat better off allying with whites."

    THAT is why they are acting like this. Asians go to colleges and ally with whites who happen to be PC and Lib.

    What kind of a sane country is it where Jews vilify whites and whites worship Jews?

    Technically, whites are only supposed to worship one Jew. The rest can go to Hell.

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Technically, whites are only supposed to worship one Jew. The rest can go to Hell.
     
    Peter and Paul seem to do OK.....
    , @syonredux
    Also Thomas, James and John (AKA the Sons of Thunder), Moses, Father Abraham, etc
  170. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Dahlia
    The entire things struck me as so odd but this turned out due to ignorance of D.C. laws and culture.

    I found it strange that there seemed to be no weapons among the dozen. No mea culpas about, say, having a pocket knife but freezing.

    I found it strange how brazen this man had been in his assumptions in the days' criminal events leading up to and including the murder and robberies.

    Turns out, D.C. makes self-defense all but impossible; pepper spray can only be owned by 18-year-olds and then it must be registered (!!!) For all we know, the car could have been filled with old people, women, and children so I don't have too many thoughts on their reaction, *but*, something is extremely wrong with this culture.

    The killer had attempted robbery and assaulted two people, one of whom was a cop, one or two days before but had been released due to "insufficient evidence". He was completely rational in expecting no resistance during his crime spree.

    This is the most in-depth story:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/victim-in-metro-slaying-stabbed-repeatedly-during-robbery-on-train/2015/07/07/8dd09132-249b-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html

    What's so bizarre, and haunting!, are this man's tweets. He had recently tweeted about the Confederate flag, racism, police and criminal system injustice, etc. He even made a Facebook-shareable meme about the Confederate flag being racist.
    The most bizarre tweet in my humble opinion had to be his comment complaining about the police arresting Freddie Gray for what they thought was an illegal knife which turned out to be legal.
    Take that back. He had a tweet about Blacks only committing violence when violence had been done against them.

    Dude had it bad.

    He died so horribly. Came across as a pretty sweet guy though sheltered and with provincial liberal beliefs; he was 24.

    He died so horribly. Came across as a pretty sweet guy though sheltered and with provincial liberal beliefs; he was 24.

    I think he deserved it and I have no sympathy.

    I hope that it hurt him physically when the blade sank into his body all those times and mentally to finally realize that he was so wrong. At least he will not pass his genes on to future generations.

    • Replies: @Venator
    Come on, how can you write something like that? Just look at his pictures - he is smiling on all of them ...
  171. Claude Monet’s “La Japonaise,” a painting of the artist’s wife wearing a kimono.

    French painters had wives?

    to “channel your inner Camille Monet” by donning museum-provided kimonos

    Brings to mind this haunting scene from Truffaut’s Bed and Board.

    That was the least credible movie I’ve ever seen. A nerdy young man is married to Claude Jade (imagine a French Sandy Duncan), and he cheats on her? Quoi le phoque?

  172. @Buffalo Joe
    Lagertha, Thank you, totally unaware that the Swastika was on those grave markers. Maybe soon they will be removed and the corpses disinterred like here in the States and Confederate markers and war "heroes".

    That will never happen. Finland is a weird place…my weird place. Finns prefer to be remote from the world and they do not ever let anyone else from another country tell them what to do – most regret joining the EU, lately.

    Finns like to say that they are timber wolves…they trust no one but their pack…and they know that the rest of Europe thinks they are a bunch of very reticent people, who appear to be less civilized, and no one understands them – which is very optimal for Finns.

    Plus, yuck, most dead are cremated. The bodies of the Germans that were not claimed by German families, were most likely cremated. Graves are never disinterred. Finns are also very superstitious. Christmas time every grave has a votive candle on it…quite a sight, and many people go to cemeteries on Christmas Eve to welcome the “season of light.”

  173. to “channel your inner Camille Monet”

    As opposed to Hillary and her supporters, who channel their inner Camille Cosby.

  174. @Anonymous
    Except they haven't killed anybody. It's really terrible that you would compare a bunch of non-violent people who simply have a different ideology than you to a bunch of people who have killed thousands in the United States.

    Except they haven’t killed anybody.

    Uhmm, I hardly know when to take such comments seriously, but since when has a body count been a metric in these things? Stalin and Mao retain their usual popularity; our SJWs are unmoved by any deaths attributed to their social engineering; and there is no comfort seeing our society devolve into a Dark Age behind a bloodless coup.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Stalin and Mao were not SJWs. An SJW is typically a young SWPL who holds typically leftist, but not extreme leftist views. If you think that SWPLs = Al Qaeda, you're retarded. SWPLs are some of the least violent people in America.
  175. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…the USA interned Japanese-Americans in detention camps during WWII.”

    The problems:

    (1) The Japanese had the best technical intelligence service in the world (they had been on a decades-long spree adopting Western technology). This service was supported by immigrants in the West. Do to the cultural differences, Western intelligence services apparently pretty-much failed to penetrate any of the actual Japanese spy rings. Most Western intelligence apparently was based on signals intelligence. Sure, less than 1% of the Japanese were probably spying for Japan, but there was no way to honestly tell who that 1% was. The fast solution was simply to isolate the entire population with which the spy’s hid. Drain the sea, kill the fish.

    (2) Japan had been at war in Asia since maybe 1930, fighting the Chinese, the Russians, the Mongols, and so on. Some young Japanese-Americans were returning to Japan to fight for Japan. Again, maybe not a lot, but enough that you had to solve the loyalty issue. Not well documented, but the following might shed some light on the sort of thing that happened: One Thousand Days in Siberia: The Odyssey of a Japanese-American POW, Iwao Peter Sano.

    (3) An under-reported part of the Perl Harbor story, the Niihau incident, seems to have had a big effect. A Japanese pilot from the Pearl Harbor attack crash-landed on a small Hawaiian island that only had a few Japanese-Americans. The Japanese-Americans went over to the side of this pilot. The Hawaiian natives eventually killed the pilot:

    “The Niʻihau incident (or Battle of Niʻihau) occurred on December 7, 1941… …Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service pilot Shigenori Nishikaichi… crash-landed his Zero on the Hawaiian island of Niʻihau after participating in the attack on Pearl Harbor. …

    …Nishikaichi then sought and received the assistance of three locals of Japanese descent in overcoming his captors, finding weapons, and taking several hostages…

    The incident and the actions of Nishikaichi’s abettors contributed to a sense in the American military that every Japanese, even those who were American citizens or otherwise thought loyal to the United States, might aid Japan; this ultimately may have influenced the decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II.

    Again, the loyalty issue. The military hadn’t been hired to play psychologist and figure individuals out, they went with the “God will know his own” solution that took the problem off the table. I think they also interned German families in the US and Italians; I think Italians in California who weren’t interned had to move a certain distance from the coast?

    Too bad wars aren’t jousting tournaments any more, it probably would be better for all concerned, but horses are just so expensive.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Joe DiMaggio's fisherman dad was docked for the duration to keep him from rendevousing with Mussolini's invasion fleet off the Golden Gate.

    Spielberg's "1941" isn't a very good movie, but it gets the frazzled decision-making of the time right.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    …this ultimately may have influenced the decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II.
     
    May have, yes. But this happened in Hawaii, and Hawaii's Japanese weren't interned.

    Nor were those in the East. Minoru Yamasaki was already practicing architecture in Michigan, where he was exempt. He ended up designing bunkers for the US Army. Sounds kinda sensitive for those whose loyalty is in doubt. The whole process seems to suffer from inconsistency.
    , @oh its just me
    correct - over 3000 Japanese "americans" joined the japanese imperial army.

    Did we intern Chinese during wwII? Did we move them from the coast of California? If it was orientalist racism that led us to do it to Japanese we certainly would have done it to chinese in California too.
    , @Twinkie

    Sure, less than 1% of the Japanese were probably spying for Japan, but there was no way to honestly tell who that 1% was. The fast solution was simply to isolate the entire population with which the spy’s hid. Drain the sea, kill the fish.
     
    The vast majority of Japanese-Americans remained loyal to the United States during World War II, and to this day there exists little evidence that any but a very tiny fraction harbored any sympathy or actual allegiance to the Empire of Japan, let alone provided any material support.

    You don't imprison or otherwise alienate an entire, largely loyal, population to render ineffective a few disloyal malcontents.

    The political leaders at the time were largely aware of these facts but chose to scapegoat the Japanese-Americans to feed the mob hostility among the general population toward the Japanese ethnics. In fact, in Hawaii (!) where the potential damage and danger from sabotage and treason might have been far greater, Japanese-Americans were not interned - the local economy and war effort would have collapsed without them and they were considered, in any case, loyal enough.

    And, of course, Japanese-Americans distinguished themselves and proved their loyalty and courage in blood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)

    The 442nd Regimental Combat Team of the United States Army was a fighting unit composed almost entirely of American soldiers of Japanese ancestry who fought in World War II. Most of the families of mainland Japanese Americans were confined to internment camps in the United States interior. Beginning in 1944, the regiment fought primarily in Europe during World War II,[2] in particular Italy, southern France, and Germany.

    The 442nd Regiment was the most decorated unit for its size and length of service in the history of American warfare.[3] The 4,000 men who initially made up the unit in April 1943 had to be replaced nearly 2.5 times. In total, about 14,000 men served, earning 9,486 Purple Hearts. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (5 earned in one month).[4]:201 Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor.[2] Its motto was "Go for Broke".
     
  176. @TroperA
    So I take it these SJW Asian Whinebags are going to start picketing Anime Conventions and squeal because cosplayers are "culturally appropriating" Japanese culture by dressing up in plus size fukus, buying Cheap Chinese plastic handle samurai swords, and calling each other "baka gaijin". When do they start banning performances of "The Mikado" and start dancing around bonfires containing Charlie Chan DVDs?

    They took what could have been a fun and lovely event and turned it into yet another showcase for their raging Narcissism. The only thing they succeeded in raising awareness of was how bound and determined Social Justice Warriors are to destroy any happiness they come across.

    (By the way, I used to hang out with a lot of Japanese/Asian exchange students in college and they were always thrilled when I took an interest in their culture, music and ways of dress. They even helped me make my own kimono. These "Asian Activists" probably couldn't even tell the nation of origin for any given Asian name, and probably couldn't tell the difference between an kimono and a yukata....)

    What I want to know is. when do Americans start picketing Asian-American people's homes and demanding they stop wearing T-Shirts and Jeans and eating hamburgers? Practically everything they use on a daily basis is an example of "culturally appropriating" Western-invented goods and services. What I want to know is how long do I have to share the planet with these pinch-faced, fun-killing church ladies?

    What I want to know is how long do I have to share the planet with these pinch-faced, fun-killing church ladies?

    Book ’em an airline ticket from Fukuoka to Yuendumu. They might get the message when they look at the bag tags.

  177. Fix-It Felix Hammer Ad From Wreck-It Ralph

    In Wreck-It Ralph, the good guy in Ralph’s game – Fix-It Felix Jr. – has a magic hammer that can fix anything in his small town. In this spoof ad to market the film, he fixes things of a less-obvious variety like excess weight and political elections. Sure, why not?
    http://www.wired.com/2012/11/genre-films-fake-ads/

    Maybe the magic hammer will fix anything in his city. They didn’t paint the bridges which are now falling apart.

  178. @anonymous
    "...the USA interned Japanese-Americans in detention camps during WWII."


    The problems:

    (1) The Japanese had the best technical intelligence service in the world (they had been on a decades-long spree adopting Western technology). This service was supported by immigrants in the West. Do to the cultural differences, Western intelligence services apparently pretty-much failed to penetrate any of the actual Japanese spy rings. Most Western intelligence apparently was based on signals intelligence. Sure, less than 1% of the Japanese were probably spying for Japan, but there was no way to honestly tell who that 1% was. The fast solution was simply to isolate the entire population with which the spy's hid. Drain the sea, kill the fish.

    (2) Japan had been at war in Asia since maybe 1930, fighting the Chinese, the Russians, the Mongols, and so on. Some young Japanese-Americans were returning to Japan to fight for Japan. Again, maybe not a lot, but enough that you had to solve the loyalty issue. Not well documented, but the following might shed some light on the sort of thing that happened: One Thousand Days in Siberia: The Odyssey of a Japanese-American POW, Iwao Peter Sano.

    (3) An under-reported part of the Perl Harbor story, the Niihau incident, seems to have had a big effect. A Japanese pilot from the Pearl Harbor attack crash-landed on a small Hawaiian island that only had a few Japanese-Americans. The Japanese-Americans went over to the side of this pilot. The Hawaiian natives eventually killed the pilot:


    "The Niʻihau incident (or Battle of Niʻihau) occurred on December 7, 1941... ...Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service pilot Shigenori Nishikaichi... crash-landed his Zero on the Hawaiian island of Niʻihau after participating in the attack on Pearl Harbor. ...

    ...Nishikaichi then sought and received the assistance of three locals of Japanese descent in overcoming his captors, finding weapons, and taking several hostages...

    ...The incident and the actions of Nishikaichi's abettors contributed to a sense in the American military that every Japanese, even those who were American citizens or otherwise thought loyal to the United States, might aid Japan; this ultimately may have influenced the decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II."

     

    Again, the loyalty issue. The military hadn't been hired to play psychologist and figure individuals out, they went with the "God will know his own" solution that took the problem off the table. I think they also interned German families in the US and Italians; I think Italians in California who weren't interned had to move a certain distance from the coast?

    Too bad wars aren't jousting tournaments any more, it probably would be better for all concerned, but horses are just so expensive.

    Joe DiMaggio’s fisherman dad was docked for the duration to keep him from rendevousing with Mussolini’s invasion fleet off the Golden Gate.

    Spielberg’s “1941” isn’t a very good movie, but it gets the frazzled decision-making of the time right.

  179. @Anonymous
    There's a bit of a difference though if you are an American of Asian descent. If anyone is interested just google how American citizens of Japanese descent were treated during 2nd world war.

    If anyone is interested just google how American citizens of Japanese descent were treated during 2nd world war.

    Funny how people always bring this up without ever mentioning the asshole responsible fot it.

  180. “Little Eichmanns”. It suddenly dawned on me that Ward Churchill was projecting. These half-wits want to feel power.

  181. @anonymous
    "...the USA interned Japanese-Americans in detention camps during WWII."


    The problems:

    (1) The Japanese had the best technical intelligence service in the world (they had been on a decades-long spree adopting Western technology). This service was supported by immigrants in the West. Do to the cultural differences, Western intelligence services apparently pretty-much failed to penetrate any of the actual Japanese spy rings. Most Western intelligence apparently was based on signals intelligence. Sure, less than 1% of the Japanese were probably spying for Japan, but there was no way to honestly tell who that 1% was. The fast solution was simply to isolate the entire population with which the spy's hid. Drain the sea, kill the fish.

    (2) Japan had been at war in Asia since maybe 1930, fighting the Chinese, the Russians, the Mongols, and so on. Some young Japanese-Americans were returning to Japan to fight for Japan. Again, maybe not a lot, but enough that you had to solve the loyalty issue. Not well documented, but the following might shed some light on the sort of thing that happened: One Thousand Days in Siberia: The Odyssey of a Japanese-American POW, Iwao Peter Sano.

    (3) An under-reported part of the Perl Harbor story, the Niihau incident, seems to have had a big effect. A Japanese pilot from the Pearl Harbor attack crash-landed on a small Hawaiian island that only had a few Japanese-Americans. The Japanese-Americans went over to the side of this pilot. The Hawaiian natives eventually killed the pilot:


    "The Niʻihau incident (or Battle of Niʻihau) occurred on December 7, 1941... ...Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service pilot Shigenori Nishikaichi... crash-landed his Zero on the Hawaiian island of Niʻihau after participating in the attack on Pearl Harbor. ...

    ...Nishikaichi then sought and received the assistance of three locals of Japanese descent in overcoming his captors, finding weapons, and taking several hostages...

    ...The incident and the actions of Nishikaichi's abettors contributed to a sense in the American military that every Japanese, even those who were American citizens or otherwise thought loyal to the United States, might aid Japan; this ultimately may have influenced the decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II."

     

    Again, the loyalty issue. The military hadn't been hired to play psychologist and figure individuals out, they went with the "God will know his own" solution that took the problem off the table. I think they also interned German families in the US and Italians; I think Italians in California who weren't interned had to move a certain distance from the coast?

    Too bad wars aren't jousting tournaments any more, it probably would be better for all concerned, but horses are just so expensive.

    …this ultimately may have influenced the decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II.

    May have, yes. But this happened in Hawaii, and Hawaii’s Japanese weren’t interned.

    Nor were those in the East. Minoru Yamasaki was already practicing architecture in Michigan, where he was exempt. He ended up designing bunkers for the US Army. Sounds kinda sensitive for those whose loyalty is in doubt. The whole process seems to suffer from inconsistency.

  182. @andy
    There seems to be three protestors, one by name (Wang) seems to be Chinese, the others perhaps Asian Indian. Who makes them think they can speak for the Japanese (who historically has never have any problem with Westerners appreciating and, yes, "appropiating" their culture.

    There seems to be three protestors, one by name (Wang) seems to be Chinese, the others perhaps Asian Indian. Who makes them think they can speak for the Japanese…

    Going to primary school in Honolulu fifty years ago was pleasant, because in none of my classes were there any Asians.

    Lots of Japanese and Chinese, but no Asians.

  183. Steve, I’m currently living in Kyoto, Japan, where in the old traditional Gion District, both Japanese and foreign tourists by the score dress up in kimonos and stroll about. There are dozens of shops that rent kimonos and fix hair. Everyone enjoys it, including the Japanese. It is absolutely no problem in Japan.

    It is only a problem for mindless, PC liberals from NYC.

  184. @Michael K
    So should all the late 19th/early 20th century art inspired by Japanese woodcuts be shoved into the basement since isn't that "cultural appropriation" too. How about all the modern art inspired by traditional artisans from Africa and Asia?

    No, just burn it. Much more space-effective.

  185. @The most deplorable one
    He died so horribly. Came across as a pretty sweet guy though sheltered and with provincial liberal beliefs; he was 24.

    I think he deserved it and I have no sympathy.

    I hope that it hurt him physically when the blade sank into his body all those times and mentally to finally realize that he was so wrong. At least he will not pass his genes on to future generations.

    Come on, how can you write something like that? Just look at his pictures – he is smiling on all of them …

  186. “We should have a conversation about Orientalism and why it’s wrong,” said Siyuan.”

    Doesn’t sound like they’re much interested in ‘conversation’, does it?

    allowing East Indians and Orientals here is of no benefit to us – they have chronic overpopulation problems, they have a chip on their shoulder – and they know how to use the grievance industry that has emerged in the west.

  187. @anonymous
    "...the USA interned Japanese-Americans in detention camps during WWII."


    The problems:

    (1) The Japanese had the best technical intelligence service in the world (they had been on a decades-long spree adopting Western technology). This service was supported by immigrants in the West. Do to the cultural differences, Western intelligence services apparently pretty-much failed to penetrate any of the actual Japanese spy rings. Most Western intelligence apparently was based on signals intelligence. Sure, less than 1% of the Japanese were probably spying for Japan, but there was no way to honestly tell who that 1% was. The fast solution was simply to isolate the entire population with which the spy's hid. Drain the sea, kill the fish.

    (2) Japan had been at war in Asia since maybe 1930, fighting the Chinese, the Russians, the Mongols, and so on. Some young Japanese-Americans were returning to Japan to fight for Japan. Again, maybe not a lot, but enough that you had to solve the loyalty issue. Not well documented, but the following might shed some light on the sort of thing that happened: One Thousand Days in Siberia: The Odyssey of a Japanese-American POW, Iwao Peter Sano.

    (3) An under-reported part of the Perl Harbor story, the Niihau incident, seems to have had a big effect. A Japanese pilot from the Pearl Harbor attack crash-landed on a small Hawaiian island that only had a few Japanese-Americans. The Japanese-Americans went over to the side of this pilot. The Hawaiian natives eventually killed the pilot:


    "The Niʻihau incident (or Battle of Niʻihau) occurred on December 7, 1941... ...Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service pilot Shigenori Nishikaichi... crash-landed his Zero on the Hawaiian island of Niʻihau after participating in the attack on Pearl Harbor. ...

    ...Nishikaichi then sought and received the assistance of three locals of Japanese descent in overcoming his captors, finding weapons, and taking several hostages...

    ...The incident and the actions of Nishikaichi's abettors contributed to a sense in the American military that every Japanese, even those who were American citizens or otherwise thought loyal to the United States, might aid Japan; this ultimately may have influenced the decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II."

     

    Again, the loyalty issue. The military hadn't been hired to play psychologist and figure individuals out, they went with the "God will know his own" solution that took the problem off the table. I think they also interned German families in the US and Italians; I think Italians in California who weren't interned had to move a certain distance from the coast?

    Too bad wars aren't jousting tournaments any more, it probably would be better for all concerned, but horses are just so expensive.

    correct – over 3000 Japanese “americans” joined the japanese imperial army.

    Did we intern Chinese during wwII? Did we move them from the coast of California? If it was orientalist racism that led us to do it to Japanese we certainly would have done it to chinese in California too.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The Chinese were promoted during WWII as our trustworthy allies.

    A lot of the Eastern Seaboard Establishment had emotional ties to China. Henry Luce, founder of Time-Life, was born in China to missionary parents. FDR's grandfather Warren Delano II had been in the China Trade.

    , @The most deplorable one
    We may need to intern them soon ... :-)
  188. @SFG
    "male gaze"= "guy I'm not attracted to [this is all men for lesbians] looking at me"

    "misogynist" = "having traditional values" [this one is really silly as I doubt even Todd Akin atually hates women]

    "sexualize" = "guy I'm not attracted to finding me attractive"

    "cishet" = "normal"

    "homophobic" = "disliking gay people" [is it a phobia? disgust seems more common]

    "privilege" = "any group I don't like" [white, male, heterosexual, cisgendered, and sometimes gentile]

    "phallocentric" = "not specifically designed to benefit women"

    "body-positive" = "pretending morbidly obese people are sexy"

    "sex-positive" = "okay with sex, as long as I get to call the shots"

    "Christian" = "evil"

    "Christian conservative" = "crypto-Nazi"

    "check your privilege" = "bow down before the one you serve/you're going to get what you deserve"

    "heteronormative" = "assuming heterosexuality has been the standard for thousands of years, as was actually the case"

    "progressive" = "crypto-Nazi, but with the good guys and bad guys switched"

    "intersectionality" = "sexism + racism + homophobia + anything else I forgot"

    I think this needs to be a thing. Anyone responds and I will make some more!

    Guess that counts as a response

    “black bodies” = “black people, as described by Paul de Man” (thanks Crassus)

    “undocumented immigrants” = “illegal immigrants” (but we don’t want to stigmatize people breaking the law)

    “Dreamer” = “kid of people who snuck in illegally”

    “matrix of domination”= [whites hurt blacks, straights hurt gays]’ * [men hurt women, cis hurts trans]

    “the draft” = [crickets]

    “gender sentencing disparity” = [null set]

    “deconstructionism” = “finding ways the Great Books aren’t”

    “black lives matter” = “black lives matter, and if you argue anyone else’s do as well, you’re racist”

    “racist” = “disagreeing with us on race” [is Louis Farrakhan not a racist?]

    “sexist” = “disagreeing with us on feminism” [is Mary Daly not a sexist?]

    “othering” = “making us feel like outsiders”

    “mansplaining” = “man disagreeing with feminists”

    “thug” = “the new n-word” (anyone want to guess what the next one will be?)

    “patriarchy” = “the Man” (emphasis on ‘man’; for our younger readers, ‘the Man’ was a generic hippie term for the conservative establishment they were rebelling against)

    “Health At Every Size” = “being morbidly obese is OK as long as your pee isn’t sweeter than Coke yet!”

    “microaggression” = “you hurt my feelings!”

    “triggered” = “reminded me of something bad in my life”

    “wow/just wow” = “you hurt my feelings!”

    “misgender” = “you didn’t use my special pronoun!”

    come on guys, add a few 😉

  189. In other words, the Japanese don’t really care about Arab-American Edward Said’s theories of Orientalism. Why? Because Pearl Harbor. If the Arabs had ever pulled off something as technically impressive as that, they wouldn’t care either. (No, hijacking airliners with boxcutters isn’t as cool as building your own aircraft carriers.)

    Yeah. That’s pretty correct. There’s the related aspect that Japanese people think recognizing their beautiful objects as beautiful is just good sense but it’s almost the same.

    -Chrisnonymous in Japan

  190. @Reg Cæsar

    What kind of a sane country is it where Jews vilify whites and whites worship Jews?

     

    Technically, whites are only supposed to worship one Jew. The rest can go to Hell.

    Technically, whites are only supposed to worship one Jew. The rest can go to Hell.

    Peter and Paul seem to do OK…..

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Peter and Paul seem to do OK…..

     

    Yarrow and Simon?
  191. @syonredux

    Technically, whites are only supposed to worship one Jew. The rest can go to Hell.
     
    Peter and Paul seem to do OK.....

    Peter and Paul seem to do OK…..

    Yarrow and Simon?

  192. @matt
    I agree that the 1973 war made peace possible, but not in the way you're thinking. Sadat had already offered peace in 1971 in exchange for the Sinai, only to be contemptuously ignored by the Israelis.

    The 1973 war wasn't about "restoring Arab self-respect" or any of that nonsense. It was about convincing the Israelis, in "the only language those people understand", that Arab armies could inflict serious damage on them, so that they had better negotiate for peace sooner rather than later.

    The 1973 war wasn’t about “restoring Arab self-respect” or any of that nonsense.

    Didn’t say that it was about “restoring Arab self-respect.” I said that it had that effect.The Six-Day War was very humiliating for the Arabs. The 1973 War helped to restore their martial self-respect.

    • Replies: @matt
    You said that "some historians have speculated that" the Yom Kippur War made peace possible, and then immediately after that started spouting the conventional wisdom about how '73 restored Arab self-respect so that peace could be seen as "peace between equals". I don't think it was unreasonable interpretation for me to conclude that you thought there was some causal connection between the former and the latter.

    Of course, the 1971 offer proves that the Egyptians were ready to negotiate a peace agreement even before they won any battlefield victories. This notion that Egypt needed an impressive martial display in order to get over its humiliation before it agreed to peace is utter nonsense. The Israelis didn't want peace because they thought they could push the Arabs around as much as they wanted. When it turned out that was less true than they had thought, they started the peace talks. Bullies tend to back off when their victims fight back.

    (It also convinced the Israelis that it was better to have the Egyptian army as a friend than as an enemy. You may have noticed they've gotten along fairly well since then, unfortunately).

  193. @Reg Cæsar

    What kind of a sane country is it where Jews vilify whites and whites worship Jews?

     

    Technically, whites are only supposed to worship one Jew. The rest can go to Hell.

    Also Thomas, James and John (AKA the Sons of Thunder), Moses, Father Abraham, etc

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    The subject was living Jews. And "can" was referring to the future.

    Can't even crack a joke anymore, without someone deconstructing it!
  194. @Anonymous
    Except they haven't killed anybody. It's really terrible that you would compare a bunch of non-violent people who simply have a different ideology than you to a bunch of people who have killed thousands in the United States.

    Except they haven’t killed anybody. It’s really terrible that you would compare a bunch of non-violent people who simply have a different ideology than you to a bunch of people who have killed thousands in the United States.

    They are absolutely not non-violent. They sic the state, with its trillions of dollars of resources, on their opponents to force them to comply with the SJWs’ agenda. That’s violence, pal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    So you basically think that anybody who has different political opinions than you do is violent.

    Violence is what commonly happens in the ghetto and barrio (and less often in the trailer park). High IQ, upper middle class Whites (and their Asian associates) are some of the least violent people on this planet.
  195. But the event quickly raised the hackles of protesters, who charged that the museum was perpetuating racist stereotypes by presenting Asian culture as quintessentially exotic.

    “Asian culture”? Like there’s just one for all of Asia? Wow — that’s some stunning ignorance/offensiveness/whatever.

  196. matt says:
    @syonredux

    The 1973 war wasn’t about “restoring Arab self-respect” or any of that nonsense.
     
    Didn't say that it was about “restoring Arab self-respect.” I said that it had that effect.The Six-Day War was very humiliating for the Arabs. The 1973 War helped to restore their martial self-respect.

    You said that “some historians have speculated that” the Yom Kippur War made peace possible, and then immediately after that started spouting the conventional wisdom about how ’73 restored Arab self-respect so that peace could be seen as “peace between equals”. I don’t think it was unreasonable interpretation for me to conclude that you thought there was some causal connection between the former and the latter.

    Of course, the 1971 offer proves that the Egyptians were ready to negotiate a peace agreement even before they won any battlefield victories. This notion that Egypt needed an impressive martial display in order to get over its humiliation before it agreed to peace is utter nonsense. The Israelis didn’t want peace because they thought they could push the Arabs around as much as they wanted. When it turned out that was less true than they had thought, they started the peace talks. Bullies tend to back off when their victims fight back.

    (It also convinced the Israelis that it was better to have the Egyptian army as a friend than as an enemy. You may have noticed they’ve gotten along fairly well since then, unfortunately).

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Of course, the 1971 offer proves that the Egyptians were ready to negotiate a peace agreement even before they won any battlefield victories.
     
    Well, they were ready to negotiate some kind of peace....My understanding is that Sadat's initial feelers involved reverting to the pre-'67 borders, which is not something that the Israelis would ever agree to

    This notion that Egypt needed an impressive martial display in order to get over its humiliation before it agreed to peace is utter nonsense.
     
    Who knows?Maybe feeling better about themselves made them more amenable to just getting back the Sinai

    The Israelis didn’t want peace because they thought they could push the Arabs around as much as they wanted.
     
    Well, not as much as some of them wanted, I'm sure.And, as I said, my understanding is that Sadat became more amenable on the question of the West Bank.

    When it turned out that was less true than they had thought, they started the peace talks. Bullies tend to back off when their victims fight back.
     
    Of course, the problem is that every nation wants to be a bully at one time or another....

    (It also convinced the Israelis that it was better to have the Egyptian army as a friend than as an enemy. You may have noticed they’ve gotten along fairly well since then, unfortunately).
     
    Don't know that I would call it unfortunate.I tend to be, in general, pro-peace.And I'm not sure that the Israelis and the Egyptians have any real reasons for fighting one another anyway.
  197. @Lagertha
    mentioning Swastika: In the same cemetery in Finland where Mannerheim, all Finnish PM's/presidents, philosophers, writers/artists/composers are buried, as well as the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, was a big surprise to some senior American tourists I took there (no real great tram connection) which I will always remember. The mid-western couples (men were WW II vets) were shocked to see the Swastika on the tombstones of the fallen German soldiers (bodies were never claimed - it was suspected that family members were bombed or simply dead) and, across the path (this is next to the T of the U Soldier) is the Jewish cemetery, where there is a Star of David on tombstones.

    mentioning Swastika: In the same cemetery in Finland

    If you mention swastikas and Finland, I can’t help but think of Jorma Kaukonen of the Jefferson Airplane wearing a swastika necklace on stage while performing at Woodstock. His mother was Jewish.

  198. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “But this happened in Hawaii, and Hawaii’s Japanese weren’t interned.”

    I’d like to know more about this; my guess is that large parts of Hawaii were both isolated (islands) and had large Japanese populations of mostly ranch and farm laborers, there was not much else there. They didn’t need to intern them, the islands did that. The Army in Hawaii also might have better been able to judge what they were doing, given their presumably longer attention to the potential problem, due to the large size of the Japanese population there:

    Sand Island:

    “…During World War II, Sand Island was used as an Army internment camp to house Japanese Americans as well as expatriates from Germany, Italy and other Axis countries living in Hawaii. The camp opened in December 1941, soon after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the subsequent mass arrests of civilians accused — often without evidence — of espionage or other fifth column activity. Over 600 Hawaiian residents, many of them U.S. citizens, would pass through Sand Island before it was closed in March 1943. Most of the internees had been transferred to Army and Department of Justice internment camps on the mainland beginning in February 1942; the remaining 149 were moved to the newly constructed Honouliuli Internment Camp.”

    Honouliuli Internment Camp:

    “…Of the seventeen sites that were associated with the history of internment in Hawaiʻi during World War II, the camp was the only one built specifically for prolonged detention.”

    Sanji Abe:

    “…the Army took Abe into “custodial detention” anyway soon after, a fact which they did not publicly announce… This time, no charge was filed against him. The writ of habeas corpus had been suspended due to martial law. Unable to serve out his term as a state senator, Abe resigned… He was the last Japanese American to resign from the Hawaii territorial legislature; his resignation marked the first time since 1931 that Hawaii had no state legislators of Japanese extraction. Abe would be held for a total of nineteen months… at Sand Island, and then at the Honouliuli Internment Camp…

    Seishiro Okazaki:

    “…immigrated to Hawaii in 1906… founded the American Jujitsu Institute in the Territory of Hawaii in 1939.

    …Like tens of thousands of other Japanese-Americans, Okazaki was interned during the war…”

    Thomas Sakakihara:

    “…Sakakihara and roughly thirty other prominent Japanese “enemy aliens or suspected sympathisers” were arrested by the Army. He was held at the Honouliuli Internment Camp until 1943; his release was conditional on a signed pledge not to sue the U.S. government for damages related to the internment.”

    It sounds as if having a Japanese flag was enough to get you arrested.

    “The whole process seems to suffer from inconsistency.”

    Yes, and why would that not be expected? It is hard to believe that the US treatment of Shia and Sunnis in Iraq, etc., has been consistent. Heck the papers are complaining that the FBI can’t even consistently perform a gun check. Imagine how confused things are during a war, when nobody is even thinking about consistency, they are thinking of erring on the safe side. And a lot of them might be in new positions and not know much about what they are doing.

    It is probably a safe bet that a lot of that happens in our War On Terror is not consistent. I wonder if all that NSA spying on US citizens is consistent? Nah, no way. (Hi there, NSA.) In a complex world, perfect consistency is likely another utopian dream.

  199. Bad Day At Black Rock : Great old movie, Spencer Tracy defining masculinity, and one of the most credible Hollywood bar-room bust-ups I’ve seen. Plus Japs in internment/vigilante trouble because Pearl Harbor etc.

  200. @syonredux
    Also Thomas, James and John (AKA the Sons of Thunder), Moses, Father Abraham, etc

    The subject was living Jews. And “can” was referring to the future.

    Can’t even crack a joke anymore, without someone deconstructing it!

  201. Smithsonian article: “If you’re looking for some of America’s best bourbon, denim and burgers, go to Japan, where designers are re-engineering our culture in loving detail”

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/how-japan-copied-american-culture-and-made-it-better-180950189/

  202. @matt
    You said that "some historians have speculated that" the Yom Kippur War made peace possible, and then immediately after that started spouting the conventional wisdom about how '73 restored Arab self-respect so that peace could be seen as "peace between equals". I don't think it was unreasonable interpretation for me to conclude that you thought there was some causal connection between the former and the latter.

    Of course, the 1971 offer proves that the Egyptians were ready to negotiate a peace agreement even before they won any battlefield victories. This notion that Egypt needed an impressive martial display in order to get over its humiliation before it agreed to peace is utter nonsense. The Israelis didn't want peace because they thought they could push the Arabs around as much as they wanted. When it turned out that was less true than they had thought, they started the peace talks. Bullies tend to back off when their victims fight back.

    (It also convinced the Israelis that it was better to have the Egyptian army as a friend than as an enemy. You may have noticed they've gotten along fairly well since then, unfortunately).

    Of course, the 1971 offer proves that the Egyptians were ready to negotiate a peace agreement even before they won any battlefield victories.

    Well, they were ready to negotiate some kind of peace….My understanding is that Sadat’s initial feelers involved reverting to the pre-’67 borders, which is not something that the Israelis would ever agree to

    This notion that Egypt needed an impressive martial display in order to get over its humiliation before it agreed to peace is utter nonsense.

    Who knows?Maybe feeling better about themselves made them more amenable to just getting back the Sinai

    The Israelis didn’t want peace because they thought they could push the Arabs around as much as they wanted.

    Well, not as much as some of them wanted, I’m sure.And, as I said, my understanding is that Sadat became more amenable on the question of the West Bank.

    When it turned out that was less true than they had thought, they started the peace talks. Bullies tend to back off when their victims fight back.

    Of course, the problem is that every nation wants to be a bully at one time or another….

    (It also convinced the Israelis that it was better to have the Egyptian army as a friend than as an enemy. You may have noticed they’ve gotten along fairly well since then, unfortunately).

    Don’t know that I would call it unfortunate.I tend to be, in general, pro-peace.And I’m not sure that the Israelis and the Egyptians have any real reasons for fighting one another anyway.

    • Replies: @matt

    Well, they were ready to negotiate some kind of peace….My understanding is that Sadat’s initial feelers involved reverting to the pre-’67 borders, which is not something that the Israelis would ever agree to
     
    Well, reverting to the internationally recognized borders is what virtually everyone wanted Israel to do at the time, including the UN Jarring Mission and, at least officially, the US Government. It was also the universal interperation of Security Council resolution 242 that Israel would have to withdraw "from territories occupied in the recent conflict [1967]." Sadat also wasn't asking for an immediate withdrawal, but wanted an interim agreement that would eventually lead to full withdrawal.

    But I take your point: aggressors are typically averse to giving up territory that they have unjustly conquered, unless someone forces their hand.


    Who knows?Maybe feeling better about themselves made them more amenable to just getting back the Sinai
     
    But the Israelis didn't even want to give back just the Sinai. Read Morris's summary again. He writes that Meir demanded that in any final settlement, Israel would hold on to Sharm-al-Sheikh (and Gaza), and a land connection to Sharm-al-Sheikh (although Dayan was willing to give up the whole Sinai), despite pressure from Jarring and Nixon's Secretary of State at the time, William Rogers.

    After all, if Meir was serious about peace with even just Egypt, she could have always countered Sadat's offer with a proposal to withdraw from just the Sinai (even though international law and basic standards of justice and decency would dictate a full withdrawal from all occupied territories). But she didn't, because she wanted to hold on to at least Sharm-al-Sheikh no matter what.

    In any case, I doubt Sadat ever cared about the West Bank in the first place. He was perfectly willing to throw the Palestinians under the bus in 1978, so why wouldn't he have eventually done that if the peace talks had started in 1971 rather than later? Sadat was likely highballing his initial offer.


    Don’t know that I would call it unfortunate.I tend to be, in general, pro-peace.And I’m not sure that the Israelis and the Egyptians have any real reasons for fighting one another anyway.
     
    The removal of the Egyptian deterrent has, if anything lead to more war. It is highly doubtful that Israel would have invaded Lebanon in 1982 (which was probably the deadliest war in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict, with 20,000 dead Lebanese and Palestinians) with even a potentially hostile Egyptian army on its southern border. I'm not saying Egypt should fight Israel in a big tank war (unless Israel attacks first like they did in 1956 and 1967), but somebody needs to keep the most aggressive rogue state in the Middle East in check. Peace through Strength, I always say.
  203. RE: Japanese cosplay of Westerners,

    Tarō Hirai, a revered Japanese mystery-story writer who was better known by his pen-name, Edogawa Ranpo.Yes, a Japanese writer used a mock-Japanese version of Edgar Allan Poe’s name as his pseudonym.

    When will the scourge of Occidentalism end?

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    And when will they stop appropriating European culture?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBlQZyTF_LY
  204. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @syonredux
    RE: Japanese cosplay of Westerners,

    Tarō Hirai, a revered Japanese mystery-story writer who was better known by his pen-name, Edogawa Ranpo.Yes, a Japanese writer used a mock-Japanese version of Edgar Allan Poe's name as his pseudonym.

    When will the scourge of Occidentalism end?

    And when will they stop appropriating European culture?

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    Long after we're all dead, the Chinese will still remember & revere everything that the West achieved.

    Did you see the conductor crying, at the end?
    , @vinteuil
    oops - this is apparently a Japanese, rather than a Chinese performance.
  205. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    One of the awfulest things that happened in culture is the industry’s appropriation of subversion and transgression.

    When pop culture industry was more staid and conservative, individuals were sometimes subversive to challenge the status quo. Since they faced the odds in going against the cultural establishment, their subversion had to have real conviction, some purpose, meaning, and justification.

    Also, as the establishment stood for conservatism, it served up some resistance against overt transgression and subversion.

    In the 60s, even as the music industry made tremendous sums from rock stars and mavericks, it couldn’t predict trends as genuine artists like Lennon, Dylan, Jagger, Wilson, Hendrix, Redding, and etc were exploring new grounds and going in new directions. Industry had to follow the real personalities and visionaries.

    Also, look at music awards then. They went to older acts while totally ignoring the talent all around. Beatles, Stones, and Dylan never got a grammy in the 60s.
    This was stupid, but one positive aspect was the power of the industry offered some kind of balance against the alarming changes afoot.

    But look at culture today. The industry, having totally appropriated transgression and subversion, incubate and produce creatures like Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus. With the very industry creating out-of-control and ‘outrageous’ trash like this, the whole meaning of ‘transgression’ and ‘subversion’ is dead. When Disney produces an army of slut whores like Cyrus and Aguilera, the industry found a way to be ‘ahead of the game’ since they clone and mass-produce the ‘shock troops’. And unlike grammies of yesteryear that unjustly ignored current talent, today’s grammies go to whomever happens to be the hottest at the moment.

    If in the 60s, the industry made way for people like Dylan and Lennon, now they try to be ahead of any new trend. They send scouts to promote in a mass way any new trend. So, if some fat-assed Negress done ‘twerk’ her ass, that is the new dance craze promoted by the industry.

    Since subversion and transgression are owned by the industry, they can just dish out the tired formula over and over and over. Same rap crap and techno junk. But they have the cachet of being ‘daring’, ‘subversive’, and ‘transgressive’ since the expressions are so lewd, lurid, and ludicrous.
    Cyrus and Gaga suck and are boring as hell, but they are supposedly cutting edge because they scream ‘eat my pussy’.

  206. @The most deplorable one
    And when will they stop appropriating European culture?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBlQZyTF_LY

    Long after we’re all dead, the Chinese will still remember & revere everything that the West achieved.

    Did you see the conductor crying, at the end?

    • Replies: @syonredux

    Long after we’re all dead, the Chinese will still remember & revere everything that the West achieved.

    Did you see the conductor crying, at the end?
     
    So, after we are one with one with Nineveh and Tyre, and Mexicans are swarming over the ruins, the Chinese will light a candle in memory of what was.Cold comfort, but better than nothing, I suppose.
  207. @vinteuil
    Long after we're all dead, the Chinese will still remember & revere everything that the West achieved.

    Did you see the conductor crying, at the end?

    Long after we’re all dead, the Chinese will still remember & revere everything that the West achieved.

    Did you see the conductor crying, at the end?

    So, after we are one with one with Nineveh and Tyre, and Mexicans are swarming over the ruins, the Chinese will light a candle in memory of what was.Cold comfort, but better than nothing, I suppose.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    "we are one with Nineveh and Tyre"

    That Kipling guy had quite a way with words, didn't he?

    But, yeah, cold comfort is better than none.
  208. @Borachio
    I admire Japan's people and culture. They seem to have picked up the torch of civilization that we in the West have hurled into the garbage. They respect their race and heritage, and they want to preserve them. Their women are also less infected by hateful feminism than ours, so they don't treat men with the unremitting hostility we get over here.

    So I checked "Japan Today," one of the news sites I visit. It had a straight-news report on the MFA protest, but the comments on the article were revealing. One said:

    "Have any of these people ever visited Japan? Not only do the vast majority of Japanese people want to share their culture, this exact very practice of people trying on a Kimono, or dressing up as a Samurai, in large part particularly for foreigners, is fairly common."

    And yes, the MFA protestor "Wang" has a Chinese name. Oops, excuse me, "Asian."

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/boston-art-museum-cancels-kimono-wednesdays-after-racism-protests

    Quite right. Kimonos are wonderful and European women should feel free to try it. Japanese women also wore European-style dresses. Good comments in the article.

    That painting looks pretty nice to me in any case.

  209. @syonredux

    Long after we’re all dead, the Chinese will still remember & revere everything that the West achieved.

    Did you see the conductor crying, at the end?
     
    So, after we are one with one with Nineveh and Tyre, and Mexicans are swarming over the ruins, the Chinese will light a candle in memory of what was.Cold comfort, but better than nothing, I suppose.

    “we are one with Nineveh and Tyre”

    That Kipling guy had quite a way with words, didn’t he?

    But, yeah, cold comfort is better than none.

  210. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    With respect to Japanese-Americans, the US west coast really was different than Hawaii or the US east coast.

    Hawaii was very small, with a large Japanese-American rural population and a very large US military presence. The Japanese Navy had no way to reach the US east coast. The Panama canal was out and sailing around the Cape or the Horn would have likely resulted in a repeat of WWI’s battle of the Falkland Islands. California was large and there were large Japanese-American “JapanTowns” in many west coast cities and harbors, many with sizable fishing-fleets.

    But what was most different was that there was real Japanese military activity along the US West coast.

    Uboat raids

    American Theater, WWII, West Coast and Alaska:

    “…Several ships were torpedoed within sight of West Coast Californian cities such as Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, San Diego, and Santa Monica. During 1941 and 1942, more than 10 Japanese submarines operated in the West Coast, Alaska, and Baja California.”

    Bombardment of Ellwood Oil Field:

    “…The United States mainland was first shelled by the Axis on February 23, 1942 when the Japanese submarine I-17 attacked the Ellwood Oil Field west of Goleta, near Santa Barbara, California …News of the shelling triggered an invasion scare along the West Coast.”

    Bombardment of Estevan Point Lighthouse.

    “…More than 5 Japanese submarines operated in Western Canada during 1941 and 1942… …fired 25–30 rounds of 5.5″ shells at the Estevan Point lighthouse on Vancouver Island… …the subsequent decision to turn off the lights of outer stations was disastrous for shipping…”

    Bombardment of Fort Stevens (Bombardment of Fort Stevens):

    “…the only attack on a mainland American military installation during World War II, the Japanese submarine I-25… …surfaced near the mouth of the Columbia River, Oregon on the night of June 21 and June 22, 1942, and fired shells toward Fort Stevens.”

    From The California State Military Museum: California Military History–California and the Second World War:

    “California and the Second World War: The Attack on the SS Agwiworld”
    “California and the Second World War: The Attack on the SS Emidio”
    “California and the Second World War: The Attack on the SS Somoa”
    “California and the Second World War: The Attack on the SS Larry Doheny”
    “California and the Second World War: The Attack on the SS Dorothy Phillips”
    “California and the Second World War: The Attack on the SS H.M. Storey”
    “California and the Second World War: The Attacks on the SS Montebello and the SS Idaho”
    “California and the Second World War: The Attacks on the SS Barbara Olson and SS Absoroka”

    HistoryNet:

    “…Over a seven-day period, from December 18 to 24, 1941, nine Japanese submarines positioned at strategic points along the U.S. west coast attacked eight American merchant ships, of which two were sunk and two damaged. Six seamen were killed.”

    A US Merchant Marine webpage U.S. Merchant Ships Sunk or Damaged in World War II lists 27 ships sunk or damaged off the US West Coast. 6 of these look like they probably aren’t due to enemy action. It looks like 12 were sunk or a total loss due to sub attacks.

    Air raids

    The Lookout Air Raids:

    “…minor but historic Japanese air raids that occurred in the mountains of Oregon… This was the only time during World War II that the contiguous United States suffered an air raid attack by enemy forces. …a Japanese Yokosuka E14Y floatplane, launched from a Japanese submarine, dropped two incendiary bombs with the intention of starting a forest fire.”

    (There was a 2nd raid, but apparently nobody knows what effect it had.)

    The Balloon-bomb Offensive on the US West

    The Japanese conducted the world’s first intercontinental bombardment program, targeting the US West coast. They used large “airplane-sized” balloons, sort of large weather balloons, that carried incendiary bombs intended to start forest fires in the Western forests and also carrying fragmentation bombs. The balloons were “flown” and the bombs were dropped by simple mechanical clockwork computers. About 300 of these worked as designed, randomly bombing all across the West. Some reached as far as the Great Lakes of the US.

    Fire balloon attacks:

    “…Between November 1944 and April 1945, the Japanese Navy launched over 9,000 fire balloons toward North America. Carried by the recently discovered Pacific jet stream, they were to sail over the Pacific Ocean and land in North America, where the Japanese hoped they would start forest fires and cause other damage. About three hundred were reported as reaching North America, but little damage was caused. Six people (five children and a woman) became the only deaths due to enemy action to occur on mainland America during World War II when one of the children tampered with a bomb from a balloon near Bly, Oregon and it exploded…”

    These were considered a significant threat and their existence was kept secret by the US government, acting in collusion with the news media of the day. The threat was considered serious enough that “smoke jumpers” were created to deal with the threat and put out the fires, denying the Japanese of any information that their balloons were working. This worked. Would it have worked if Japanese had not been interned? We’ll never know. But it did work.

    This should become a more prominent part of black history: “How Black Smokejumpers Helped Save The American West”, NPR, Linton Weeks 2010: “The Triple Nickles became an integral part of the U.S. Forest Service’s effort to manage the threat of the Japanese balloon bombs … …”Week after week,” she writes… the black firefighters “put out fires. They searched for balloon bombs to dismantle.” Between July and October, 1945, the 555th made 1,200 jumps and fought 36 fires. They also found a few bombs…”

    The Japanese bio-warfare efforts in China was known. It was also obvious that balloon bombs could potentially carry bio-weapons. This was likely one reason for the secrecy.

    It is semi-famous that the US military had no idea where the balloon bombs were coming from for a long time. At first it was not considered credible that they were coming all the way across the Pacific. Perhaps they were being launched by submarines off California or by a local 5th column?

    “The Great Japanese Balloon Offensive”, Cornelius W. Conley, Air University Review, January-February 1968:

    “…The War Department was also kept fully informed of each reported balloon incident, and on 4 January 1945 the Chief of Staff designated the Commanding General, Western Defense Command, coordinator for all balloon intelligence activities…

    …On the assumption that these “ranging shots” would provide the Japanese with the flight Course of the balloon and the point at which it landed, we had to do everything possible to prevent the Japanese from obtaining this valuable information. It was almost certain that any news, if published, would be picked up by the Japanese. Furthermore, it was not considered advisable to alarm the U.S. civilian population until such time as the balloons might become a menace…

    …The increase in the number of recoveries and sightings indicated that the experimental phase was over and that the balloons were being launched for effect. …More than 9000 balloons were built, and over 6000 were launched…

    …The project in a sense failed because a wall of silence was formed by the American people. ..no evidence was ever discovered to indicate that any of the balloons were armed for bacteriological warfare. Balloons were reported over an area stretching from the island of Attu to the state of Michigan and from northern Alaska to northern Mexico, in all some 285 of them.”

    Large semi-inflated blowing-around balloons filled with exploding hydrogen, blowing around on the ground at night and associated with “men in black” from the government telling you that you really hadn’t seen anything, in cooperation with a media blackout, might have contributed to the rise of UFO conspiracy theories after the war. It would be interesting for someone to research if all this secret stuff was one of the motivations for the Japanese west coast internment.

  211. @The most deplorable one
    And when will they stop appropriating European culture?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBlQZyTF_LY

    oops – this is apparently a Japanese, rather than a Chinese performance.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Of course. His comment was about the Japanese appropriating American cultural icons, was it not?

    Also, I happen to like that performance.

  212. @oh its just me
    correct - over 3000 Japanese "americans" joined the japanese imperial army.

    Did we intern Chinese during wwII? Did we move them from the coast of California? If it was orientalist racism that led us to do it to Japanese we certainly would have done it to chinese in California too.

    The Chinese were promoted during WWII as our trustworthy allies.

    A lot of the Eastern Seaboard Establishment had emotional ties to China. Henry Luce, founder of Time-Life, was born in China to missionary parents. FDR’s grandfather Warren Delano II had been in the China Trade.

  213. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    That 300 figure for the number of Japanese balloon bombs that reached the US is wrong — 300 is the number that were recovered in the US. The best estimate seems to be that 900 to 1000 balloon bombs reached the Continental US.

    Some of those balloon bombs are showing up just now:

    “Beware Of Japanese Balloon Bombs”, Linton Weeks, NPR, January 20, 2015:

    “…Just a few months ago a couple of forestry workers in Lumby, British Columbia — about 250 miles north of the U.S. border — happened upon a 70-year-old Japanese balloon bomb.

    The dastardly contraption was one of thousands of balloon bombs launched toward North America in the 1940s….

    …To date, only a few hundred of the devices have been found — and most are still unaccounted for.

    The plan was diabolic…

    …The project — named Fugo — “called for sending bomb-carrying balloons from Japan to set fire to the vast forests of America, in particular those of the Pacific Northwest. It was hoped that the fires would create havoc, dampen American morale and disrupt the U.S. war effort,”…

    …”The control frame really is a piece of art.”…

    …the deadly portion of their cargo was a 33-lb anti-personnel fragmentation bomb…

    …Sightings of the airborne bombs began cropping up throughout the western U.S. in late 1944.

    …To keep the Japanese from tracking the success… the U.S. government asked American news organizations to refrain from reporting on the balloon bombs. So presumably, we may never know the extent of the damage.

    …the pilotless weapons had landed in seven different Nebraska towns, including Omaha. The Winnipeg Tribune noted that one balloon bomb was found 10 miles from Detroit and another one near Grand Rapids.

    …Over the years, the explosive devices have popped up here and there. …”

    Fire balloon:

    “…the Japanese launched over 9300 fire balloons…

    …They were found in Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, Idaho, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, Texas, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Michigan and Iowa, as well as Mexico and Canada. …

    …General Kusaba’s men launched over 9,000 balloons throughout the course of the project. The Japanese expected 10% (around 900) of them to reach America, which is also what is currently believed by researchers. About 300 balloon bombs were found or observed in America.

    …Much worse, the Americans had some knowledge that the Japanese had been working on biological weapons…

    …a balloon carrying biowarfare agents could be a real threat….

    ….Nobody believed the balloons could have come directly from Japan. It was thought that the balloons must be coming from North American beaches, launched by landing parties from submarines.

    …The Office of Censorship then sent a message to newspapers and radio stations to ask them to make no mention of balloons and balloon-bomb incidents. They did not want the enemy to get the idea that the balloons might be effective weapons or to have the American people start panicking. Cooperating with the desires of the government, the press did not publish any balloon bomb incidents. Perhaps as a result, the Japanese only learned of one bomb’s reaching Wyoming, landing and failing to explode, so they stopped the launches after less than six months.

    …With no evidence of any effect, General Kusaba was ordered to cease operations in April 1945, believing that the mission had been a total fiasco.”

    An ironic semi-famous in certain circles factoid is that a secret balloon bomb momentarily shut down a secret US nuclear plant, part of the atom bomb project. I suppose that’s some sort of proof of a law of large numbers:

    “…one of the last paper balloons descended in the vicinity of the Manhattan Project’s production facility at the Hanford Site. This balloon caused a short circuit in the power lines supplying electricity for the nuclear reactor cooling pumps, but backup safety devices restored power almost immediately.”

    The 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion was an all-black airborne unit of the United States Army during World War II.:

    “…During the winter of 1944–45, the Japanese sent 9000 fire balloons toward the West Coast of North America. It was believed 1000 succeeded in reaching the United States. 312 balloon bombs have been found. After three days, each balloon dropped an incendiary bomb. The balloon bombs employed a ballast system designed to maintain an average altitude of 30,000 feet. Incendiary bombs would be dropped one at a time (four 11 pounders) and a single high-explosive bomb (33 pounds) would be dropped followed by a self-destruct device. In order to conceal the efficacy of these attacks, the missions of the 555th PIB was kept clandestine in nature.”

  214. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @oh its just me
    correct - over 3000 Japanese "americans" joined the japanese imperial army.

    Did we intern Chinese during wwII? Did we move them from the coast of California? If it was orientalist racism that led us to do it to Japanese we certainly would have done it to chinese in California too.

    We may need to intern them soon … 🙂

  215. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @vinteuil
    oops - this is apparently a Japanese, rather than a Chinese performance.

    Of course. His comment was about the Japanese appropriating American cultural icons, was it not?

    Also, I happen to like that performance.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    Yeah, sorry - it was my mistake, not yours.
  216. matt says:
    @syonredux

    Of course, the 1971 offer proves that the Egyptians were ready to negotiate a peace agreement even before they won any battlefield victories.
     
    Well, they were ready to negotiate some kind of peace....My understanding is that Sadat's initial feelers involved reverting to the pre-'67 borders, which is not something that the Israelis would ever agree to

    This notion that Egypt needed an impressive martial display in order to get over its humiliation before it agreed to peace is utter nonsense.
     
    Who knows?Maybe feeling better about themselves made them more amenable to just getting back the Sinai

    The Israelis didn’t want peace because they thought they could push the Arabs around as much as they wanted.
     
    Well, not as much as some of them wanted, I'm sure.And, as I said, my understanding is that Sadat became more amenable on the question of the West Bank.

    When it turned out that was less true than they had thought, they started the peace talks. Bullies tend to back off when their victims fight back.
     
    Of course, the problem is that every nation wants to be a bully at one time or another....

    (It also convinced the Israelis that it was better to have the Egyptian army as a friend than as an enemy. You may have noticed they’ve gotten along fairly well since then, unfortunately).
     
    Don't know that I would call it unfortunate.I tend to be, in general, pro-peace.And I'm not sure that the Israelis and the Egyptians have any real reasons for fighting one another anyway.

    Well, they were ready to negotiate some kind of peace….My understanding is that Sadat’s initial feelers involved reverting to the pre-’67 borders, which is not something that the Israelis would ever agree to

    Well, reverting to the internationally recognized borders is what virtually everyone wanted Israel to do at the time, including the UN Jarring Mission and, at least officially, the US Government. It was also the universal interperation of Security Council resolution 242 that Israel would have to withdraw “from territories occupied in the recent conflict [1967].” Sadat also wasn’t asking for an immediate withdrawal, but wanted an interim agreement that would eventually lead to full withdrawal.

    But I take your point: aggressors are typically averse to giving up territory that they have unjustly conquered, unless someone forces their hand.

    Who knows?Maybe feeling better about themselves made them more amenable to just getting back the Sinai

    But the Israelis didn’t even want to give back just the Sinai. Read Morris’s summary again. He writes that Meir demanded that in any final settlement, Israel would hold on to Sharm-al-Sheikh (and Gaza), and a land connection to Sharm-al-Sheikh (although Dayan was willing to give up the whole Sinai), despite pressure from Jarring and Nixon’s Secretary of State at the time, William Rogers.

    After all, if Meir was serious about peace with even just Egypt, she could have always countered Sadat’s offer with a proposal to withdraw from just the Sinai (even though international law and basic standards of justice and decency would dictate a full withdrawal from all occupied territories). But she didn’t, because she wanted to hold on to at least Sharm-al-Sheikh no matter what.

    In any case, I doubt Sadat ever cared about the West Bank in the first place. He was perfectly willing to throw the Palestinians under the bus in 1978, so why wouldn’t he have eventually done that if the peace talks had started in 1971 rather than later? Sadat was likely highballing his initial offer.

    Don’t know that I would call it unfortunate.I tend to be, in general, pro-peace.And I’m not sure that the Israelis and the Egyptians have any real reasons for fighting one another anyway.

    The removal of the Egyptian deterrent has, if anything lead to more war. It is highly doubtful that Israel would have invaded Lebanon in 1982 (which was probably the deadliest war in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict, with 20,000 dead Lebanese and Palestinians) with even a potentially hostile Egyptian army on its southern border. I’m not saying Egypt should fight Israel in a big tank war (unless Israel attacks first like they did in 1956 and 1967), but somebody needs to keep the most aggressive rogue state in the Middle East in check. Peace through Strength, I always say.

    • Replies: @matt
    A correction: I said Dayan was willing to give up Sharm el-Sheikh. He was not. Morris writes that he said preferred "Sharm ash-Sheikh without peace to peace without Sharm ash-Sheikh." It is notable that Dayan was, with Rabin, among the Israeli ministers most amenable to Sadat's offer, and even he was not even willing to even consider returning all Egyptian territory.
    , @syonredux

    The removal of the Egyptian deterrent has, if anything lead to more war. It is highly doubtful that Israel would have invaded Lebanon in 1982 (which was probably the deadliest war in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict, with 20,000 dead Lebanese and Palestinians) with even a potentially hostile Egyptian army on its southern border.
     
    Who knows? In that timeline, we would be talking about another decade of Egyptian-Israeli sabre rattling, possibly including another war or two.It's difficult to say how events would have played out in the long term.Maybe things would have been even worse (cf the Israelis using their much discussed "Samson Option").

    But the Israelis didn’t even want to give back just the Sinai. Read Morris’s summary again. He writes that Meir demanded that in any final settlement, Israel would hold on to Sharm-al-Sheikh (and Gaza), and a land connection to Sharm-al-Sheikh (although Dayan was willing to give up the whole Sinai), despite pressure from Jarring and Nixon’s Secretary of State at the time, William Rogers.

    After all, if Meir was serious about peace with even just Egypt, she could have always countered Sadat’s offer with a proposal to withdraw from just the Sinai (even though international law and basic standards of justice and decency would dictate a full withdrawal from all occupied territories). But she didn’t, because she wanted to hold on to at least Sharm-al-Sheikh no matter what.

    In any case, I doubt Sadat ever cared about the West Bank in the first place. He was perfectly willing to throw the Palestinians under the bus in 1978, so why wouldn’t he have eventually done that if the peace talks had started in 1971 rather than later? Sadat was likely highballing his initial offer.
     
    Or, maybe the 1973 War made Sadat secure enough to drop the West Bank issue and made the Israelis scared enough to be willing to return all of the Sinai.Push-pull.

    But I take your point: aggressors are typically averse to giving up territory that they have unjustly conquered, unless someone forces their hand.
     
    One always has to deal with realities.Take the Turks, for example, approx. 1 million Armenians murdered during the First World War, and no one really cares.Why? Turkey wasn't occupied in WWI, and Turkey is too strategically important to offend these days.

    And then there was the expulsion of the Greeks from Turkey after the War:

    Rummel (civilian democide)
    Greeks killed by Turks: 264,000
    Turks killed by Greeks: 15,000
    Housepian, Marjorie, The Smyrna Affair (1966)
    The 1922 Burning of Smyrna by the Turks: According to Adm. Bristol's report, 2,000 Greeks killed by fire, execution, etc. According to George Horton, over 100,000 were killed. Housepian assesses Bristol's number as "the historical verdict to date", but says that Horton's "makes more sense" in light of the 190,000 residents and refugees unaccounted for.
    AIHGS: 353,000 Pontian Greeks k. by Turks
     
    http://necrometrics.com/20c300k.htm#GrTk

    Greek communities in Anatolia date back to the Iron Age, yet Greek Asia Minor was wiped out in just a few years.And no one cares.
  217. matt says:
    @matt

    Well, they were ready to negotiate some kind of peace….My understanding is that Sadat’s initial feelers involved reverting to the pre-’67 borders, which is not something that the Israelis would ever agree to
     
    Well, reverting to the internationally recognized borders is what virtually everyone wanted Israel to do at the time, including the UN Jarring Mission and, at least officially, the US Government. It was also the universal interperation of Security Council resolution 242 that Israel would have to withdraw "from territories occupied in the recent conflict [1967]." Sadat also wasn't asking for an immediate withdrawal, but wanted an interim agreement that would eventually lead to full withdrawal.

    But I take your point: aggressors are typically averse to giving up territory that they have unjustly conquered, unless someone forces their hand.


    Who knows?Maybe feeling better about themselves made them more amenable to just getting back the Sinai
     
    But the Israelis didn't even want to give back just the Sinai. Read Morris's summary again. He writes that Meir demanded that in any final settlement, Israel would hold on to Sharm-al-Sheikh (and Gaza), and a land connection to Sharm-al-Sheikh (although Dayan was willing to give up the whole Sinai), despite pressure from Jarring and Nixon's Secretary of State at the time, William Rogers.

    After all, if Meir was serious about peace with even just Egypt, she could have always countered Sadat's offer with a proposal to withdraw from just the Sinai (even though international law and basic standards of justice and decency would dictate a full withdrawal from all occupied territories). But she didn't, because she wanted to hold on to at least Sharm-al-Sheikh no matter what.

    In any case, I doubt Sadat ever cared about the West Bank in the first place. He was perfectly willing to throw the Palestinians under the bus in 1978, so why wouldn't he have eventually done that if the peace talks had started in 1971 rather than later? Sadat was likely highballing his initial offer.


    Don’t know that I would call it unfortunate.I tend to be, in general, pro-peace.And I’m not sure that the Israelis and the Egyptians have any real reasons for fighting one another anyway.
     
    The removal of the Egyptian deterrent has, if anything lead to more war. It is highly doubtful that Israel would have invaded Lebanon in 1982 (which was probably the deadliest war in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict, with 20,000 dead Lebanese and Palestinians) with even a potentially hostile Egyptian army on its southern border. I'm not saying Egypt should fight Israel in a big tank war (unless Israel attacks first like they did in 1956 and 1967), but somebody needs to keep the most aggressive rogue state in the Middle East in check. Peace through Strength, I always say.

    A correction: I said Dayan was willing to give up Sharm el-Sheikh. He was not. Morris writes that he said preferred “Sharm ash-Sheikh without peace to peace without Sharm ash-Sheikh.” It is notable that Dayan was, with Rabin, among the Israeli ministers most amenable to Sadat’s offer, and even he was not even willing to even consider returning all Egyptian territory.

  218. @matt

    Well, they were ready to negotiate some kind of peace….My understanding is that Sadat’s initial feelers involved reverting to the pre-’67 borders, which is not something that the Israelis would ever agree to
     
    Well, reverting to the internationally recognized borders is what virtually everyone wanted Israel to do at the time, including the UN Jarring Mission and, at least officially, the US Government. It was also the universal interperation of Security Council resolution 242 that Israel would have to withdraw "from territories occupied in the recent conflict [1967]." Sadat also wasn't asking for an immediate withdrawal, but wanted an interim agreement that would eventually lead to full withdrawal.

    But I take your point: aggressors are typically averse to giving up territory that they have unjustly conquered, unless someone forces their hand.


    Who knows?Maybe feeling better about themselves made them more amenable to just getting back the Sinai
     
    But the Israelis didn't even want to give back just the Sinai. Read Morris's summary again. He writes that Meir demanded that in any final settlement, Israel would hold on to Sharm-al-Sheikh (and Gaza), and a land connection to Sharm-al-Sheikh (although Dayan was willing to give up the whole Sinai), despite pressure from Jarring and Nixon's Secretary of State at the time, William Rogers.

    After all, if Meir was serious about peace with even just Egypt, she could have always countered Sadat's offer with a proposal to withdraw from just the Sinai (even though international law and basic standards of justice and decency would dictate a full withdrawal from all occupied territories). But she didn't, because she wanted to hold on to at least Sharm-al-Sheikh no matter what.

    In any case, I doubt Sadat ever cared about the West Bank in the first place. He was perfectly willing to throw the Palestinians under the bus in 1978, so why wouldn't he have eventually done that if the peace talks had started in 1971 rather than later? Sadat was likely highballing his initial offer.


    Don’t know that I would call it unfortunate.I tend to be, in general, pro-peace.And I’m not sure that the Israelis and the Egyptians have any real reasons for fighting one another anyway.
     
    The removal of the Egyptian deterrent has, if anything lead to more war. It is highly doubtful that Israel would have invaded Lebanon in 1982 (which was probably the deadliest war in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict, with 20,000 dead Lebanese and Palestinians) with even a potentially hostile Egyptian army on its southern border. I'm not saying Egypt should fight Israel in a big tank war (unless Israel attacks first like they did in 1956 and 1967), but somebody needs to keep the most aggressive rogue state in the Middle East in check. Peace through Strength, I always say.

    The removal of the Egyptian deterrent has, if anything lead to more war. It is highly doubtful that Israel would have invaded Lebanon in 1982 (which was probably the deadliest war in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict, with 20,000 dead Lebanese and Palestinians) with even a potentially hostile Egyptian army on its southern border.

    Who knows? In that timeline, we would be talking about another decade of Egyptian-Israeli sabre rattling, possibly including another war or two.It’s difficult to say how events would have played out in the long term.Maybe things would have been even worse (cf the Israelis using their much discussed “Samson Option”).

    But the Israelis didn’t even want to give back just the Sinai. Read Morris’s summary again. He writes that Meir demanded that in any final settlement, Israel would hold on to Sharm-al-Sheikh (and Gaza), and a land connection to Sharm-al-Sheikh (although Dayan was willing to give up the whole Sinai), despite pressure from Jarring and Nixon’s Secretary of State at the time, William Rogers.

    After all, if Meir was serious about peace with even just Egypt, she could have always countered Sadat’s offer with a proposal to withdraw from just the Sinai (even though international law and basic standards of justice and decency would dictate a full withdrawal from all occupied territories). But she didn’t, because she wanted to hold on to at least Sharm-al-Sheikh no matter what.

    In any case, I doubt Sadat ever cared about the West Bank in the first place. He was perfectly willing to throw the Palestinians under the bus in 1978, so why wouldn’t he have eventually done that if the peace talks had started in 1971 rather than later? Sadat was likely highballing his initial offer.

    Or, maybe the 1973 War made Sadat secure enough to drop the West Bank issue and made the Israelis scared enough to be willing to return all of the Sinai.Push-pull.

    But I take your point: aggressors are typically averse to giving up territory that they have unjustly conquered, unless someone forces their hand.

    One always has to deal with realities.Take the Turks, for example, approx. 1 million Armenians murdered during the First World War, and no one really cares.Why? Turkey wasn’t occupied in WWI, and Turkey is too strategically important to offend these days.

    And then there was the expulsion of the Greeks from Turkey after the War:

    Rummel (civilian democide)
    Greeks killed by Turks: 264,000
    Turks killed by Greeks: 15,000
    Housepian, Marjorie, The Smyrna Affair (1966)
    The 1922 Burning of Smyrna by the Turks: According to Adm. Bristol’s report, 2,000 Greeks killed by fire, execution, etc. According to George Horton, over 100,000 were killed. Housepian assesses Bristol’s number as “the historical verdict to date”, but says that Horton’s “makes more sense” in light of the 190,000 residents and refugees unaccounted for.
    AIHGS: 353,000 Pontian Greeks k. by Turks

    http://necrometrics.com/20c300k.htm#GrTk

    Greek communities in Anatolia date back to the Iron Age, yet Greek Asia Minor was wiped out in just a few years.And no one cares.

  219. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “correct – over 3000 Japanese “americans” joined the japanese imperial army.”

    Kind of like Americans (or others from Western nations) joining ISIS today. Today, we are much more advanced. We don’t intern people. Instead we provide them with a Government Guardian Angel that watches all their communications over their shoulders. Each interned in his own little bubble, enforced by government computers. What could possibly go wrong? Those losers in WWII didn’t have the power to do this right! What people can’t see they can’t complain about. It’s all good!

  220. @The most deplorable one
    Of course. His comment was about the Japanese appropriating American cultural icons, was it not?

    Also, I happen to like that performance.

    Yeah, sorry – it was my mistake, not yours.

  221. @anonymous
    "...the USA interned Japanese-Americans in detention camps during WWII."


    The problems:

    (1) The Japanese had the best technical intelligence service in the world (they had been on a decades-long spree adopting Western technology). This service was supported by immigrants in the West. Do to the cultural differences, Western intelligence services apparently pretty-much failed to penetrate any of the actual Japanese spy rings. Most Western intelligence apparently was based on signals intelligence. Sure, less than 1% of the Japanese were probably spying for Japan, but there was no way to honestly tell who that 1% was. The fast solution was simply to isolate the entire population with which the spy's hid. Drain the sea, kill the fish.

    (2) Japan had been at war in Asia since maybe 1930, fighting the Chinese, the Russians, the Mongols, and so on. Some young Japanese-Americans were returning to Japan to fight for Japan. Again, maybe not a lot, but enough that you had to solve the loyalty issue. Not well documented, but the following might shed some light on the sort of thing that happened: One Thousand Days in Siberia: The Odyssey of a Japanese-American POW, Iwao Peter Sano.

    (3) An under-reported part of the Perl Harbor story, the Niihau incident, seems to have had a big effect. A Japanese pilot from the Pearl Harbor attack crash-landed on a small Hawaiian island that only had a few Japanese-Americans. The Japanese-Americans went over to the side of this pilot. The Hawaiian natives eventually killed the pilot:


    "The Niʻihau incident (or Battle of Niʻihau) occurred on December 7, 1941... ...Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service pilot Shigenori Nishikaichi... crash-landed his Zero on the Hawaiian island of Niʻihau after participating in the attack on Pearl Harbor. ...

    ...Nishikaichi then sought and received the assistance of three locals of Japanese descent in overcoming his captors, finding weapons, and taking several hostages...

    ...The incident and the actions of Nishikaichi's abettors contributed to a sense in the American military that every Japanese, even those who were American citizens or otherwise thought loyal to the United States, might aid Japan; this ultimately may have influenced the decision to intern Japanese Americans during World War II."

     

    Again, the loyalty issue. The military hadn't been hired to play psychologist and figure individuals out, they went with the "God will know his own" solution that took the problem off the table. I think they also interned German families in the US and Italians; I think Italians in California who weren't interned had to move a certain distance from the coast?

    Too bad wars aren't jousting tournaments any more, it probably would be better for all concerned, but horses are just so expensive.

    Sure, less than 1% of the Japanese were probably spying for Japan, but there was no way to honestly tell who that 1% was. The fast solution was simply to isolate the entire population with which the spy’s hid. Drain the sea, kill the fish.

    The vast majority of Japanese-Americans remained loyal to the United States during World War II, and to this day there exists little evidence that any but a very tiny fraction harbored any sympathy or actual allegiance to the Empire of Japan, let alone provided any material support.

    You don’t imprison or otherwise alienate an entire, largely loyal, population to render ineffective a few disloyal malcontents.

    The political leaders at the time were largely aware of these facts but chose to scapegoat the Japanese-Americans to feed the mob hostility among the general population toward the Japanese ethnics. In fact, in Hawaii (!) where the potential damage and danger from sabotage and treason might have been far greater, Japanese-Americans were not interned – the local economy and war effort would have collapsed without them and they were considered, in any case, loyal enough.

    And, of course, Japanese-Americans distinguished themselves and proved their loyalty and courage in blood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)

    The 442nd Regimental Combat Team of the United States Army was a fighting unit composed almost entirely of American soldiers of Japanese ancestry who fought in World War II. Most of the families of mainland Japanese Americans were confined to internment camps in the United States interior. Beginning in 1944, the regiment fought primarily in Europe during World War II,[2] in particular Italy, southern France, and Germany.

    The 442nd Regiment was the most decorated unit for its size and length of service in the history of American warfare.[3] The 4,000 men who initially made up the unit in April 1943 had to be replaced nearly 2.5 times. In total, about 14,000 men served, earning 9,486 Purple Hearts. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (5 earned in one month).[4]:201 Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor.[2] Its motto was “Go for Broke”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This is why I don't blame them if most of them vote Democrat. As awful as the Democrats may be, at least they accept that a Japanese American family who has lived here for 5 generations, who speak perfect English, and who are educated, employed, and net tax payers, are Americans.
  222. @Anon
    "Yup, I’ve said it before: Japanese don’t bitch and moan because they don’t have an inferiority complex."

    Huh?

    Japanese have a HUGE inferiority complex, even vis-a-vis other Asians.

    Little midgets think Koreans are buff, and Koreans are a bunch of sissies.

    Koreans are a bunch of sissies.

    Gee, I don’t know. Most Vietnam War vets seem to consider South Koreans extremely courageous and tough soldiers, very good allies to have.

    South Korean AORs in Vietnam were considered the safest in South Vietnam, and the ROK Marines there were renowned for their ability to ambush the Vietcong in their own terrain and excel in close-quarters combat (they were also known for, er, some atrocities, but that’s another topic).

    Certainly these guys didn’t seem terribly “sissy-like” during the L.A. Riots:

  223. @Anon
    "They usually follow whatever is the status quo, no matter how absurd it is."

    "That’s why South Koreans rose in massive protests and overthrew the military dictatorship in the 1980s… you know, because they have what the Germans call “Kadavergehorsam” (zombie-like obedience to authority, originally meant to describe the Germans under the Nazi regime)."

    Accident of history.

    Because South Korea was under military rule and because US backed that military rule, many young idealistic Koreans were angry and confrontational.

    That was the high point of Korean independent-spiritedness.

    In a totalitarian system like North Korea, Koreans are just mindless conformist drones.

    But under an authoritarian system with lots of social freedom but no political freedom(as in south Korea in the past), there's bound to be anger and rebellion, especially when the ruling regime is seen as a puppet of a foreign power.

    But since S. Korea turned democratic, young people increasingly turned into apathetic mindless consumers concerned only with success and status.
    Also, as US is no longer the backer of a military regime but a democratic 'partner', there is far less resistance against its influence.

    South Koreans are now just mindless followers of trends in the US.

    It will have fruiter 'marriage' in ten yrs.

    Accident of history.

    Those Koreans sure do seem to have a lot of “accidents history” for people who are supposedly mindless drones obedient to authority.

    In 1960, their First Republic fell in a massive, nationwide protest after some demonstrating university students were shot by police officers.

    The Second Republic was racked by continual riots (including those by elementary school pupils who would protest re-assignment of popular teachers, for example). The disorder was such that the subsequent military coup was welcomed by the majority in order to restore order.

    Then the leader of the coup, General (later President) Park Chung-Hee, went against the popular sentiment and established diplomatic relationship with Japan in return for Japanese investment, with which money he built POSCO (against all international advice to the contrary). POSCO is now one of the greatest steelmakers and shipbuilders in the world, and was in large part responsible for igniting the South Korean post-war economic miracle.

    After he was assassinated, there was another military coup and dictatorship, which too fell to popular demonstrations, that led to elections in the late 1980’s and full democratization.

    Far from being docile and mindless, South Koreans seem, if anything, quite cantankerous. I think it was P. J. O’Rourke who said that Koreans are “hard-drinking, hard-headed tough little bastards, the Irishmen of Asia.”

    It will have fruiter ‘marriage’ in ten yrs.

    South Korea only in the last couple of years decriminalized adultery. I strongly doubt it will have “homosexual marriage” in ten years. It has a very Westernized material culture, but its social culture is still quite traditional and in any case is strongly affected by a highly evangelical strain of Protestantism (to which about a quarter or so of the population subscribes).

    • Replies: @Anon
    "Those Koreans sure do seem to have a lot of “accidents history” for people who are supposedly mindless drones obedient to authority."

    Not much. Korea changed very little over a very long time. North Korea is like Korea of the past. You see how little changes. So, the natural way of Koreans is to be mindless drones. South Korea in the 20th century was an accident of history. Now that S. Korea has settled into a 'normal country', it is turning into a mindless drone-nation once again.

    South Korea did change a lot but in mindless imitation of other nations. In the past, this wasn't so bad since the West and Japan used to be sane. But since the end of the Cold War, the West has gone nuts with PC, multi-culturalism, the 'gay' agenda, debauchery, decadence, and other lunacies. Imitate this garbage, and it is recipe for national and racial suicide.

    All the political upheaval you mention were reactions to bad times.
    But keep in mind that South Korean youth were inspired by foreign ideas. They were following foreign trends.
    And many on the left were pretty radical and dogmatic. They were not free-thinkers.

    "Far from being docile and mindless, South Koreans seem, if anything, quite cantankerous. I think it was P. J. O’Rourke who said that Koreans are “hard-drinking, hard-headed tough little bastards, the Irishmen of Asia.”"

    That's why Koreans are ultimately easy to control. They are childish and infantile. They are impulsive. In the past, when South Korea was a more conservative society, all that pent-up fury went into political protest.
    Today, as Korea is a democratic and becoming more libertine(like the decadent West), much of that youth energy goes into pop culture and narcissistic trashiness. Such mindlessness can easily be manipulated and controlled by the pop culture industry.

    Also, the intellectual class tends to be leftist. When Korea was ruled by conservatives and militarists, the left played the role of dissidence and greater freedom, if only to have more freedom for themselves to oppose the regime.
    But since the fall of the military and rise of democracy, all the top institutions have been filled by Western PC-trained 'lefty' types who are now into turning students into docile sheep of PC.

    Notice how students in the West went from challengers of school authority to followers of school authority. They swallow all the PC pushed by their teachers. Even their protests are now officially sanctioned by the elites.
    The same will happen to Korea. Where do you see protests anymore?

    Also, prior to the internet, Korean youths were largely limited to Korean media and korean entertainment like in all other nations. Korea is one of the most internet-connected nations in the world, and this had made it very globalist, no longer nationalist.
    Also, the massive immigration to US means there's a huge Korean-American community in the US that knows and cares nothing of Korean history and culture but are immersed in junk trash culture and spreads it back to Korea. (Japan has been spared this because Japanese immigration to the US dried up after WWII.)
    Also, most Korean academics got their training in US universities, and they regurgitate in Korea all the stuff they blindly swallowed in America and Europe.

    In a way, Americans figured out how to win over Koreans and make them happy and docile like a child. Ian Buruma got it right in God's Dust. Korean nationalism was premised on envy, resentment, and inferiority complex. Koreans bitch about the great powers and how they did wrong to Korea but, deep down inside, they just wanna belong to the great nation club.
    So, if US were to treat S. Korea like an important nation and praise Korean pop music and soap operas, Koreans are so giddy with joy over the recognition that they will go to any length to play toady to win more approval. Sham Korean pride is all about winning approval of the 'great nations'. It is toadyism, nothing more.
    When Korea didn't get the respect in the past, they were nationalistic with envy and resentment. Now that they are shown some 'respect', they are happy to be a globalist dog to PC to win more accolades.

    "South Korea only in the last couple of years decriminalized adultery. I strongly doubt it will have “homosexual marriage” in ten years. It has a very Westernized material culture, but its social culture is still quite traditional and in any case is strongly affected by a highly evangelical strain of Protestantism (to which about a quarter or so of the population subscribes)."

    Important thing is it was decriminalized, which means huge changes are afoot.
    Also, material culture now dictates moral culture as we've seen in the US.
    With Koreans having so few kids, family culture is dead in Korea. New generation of Koreans just watch TV and listen to pop music, just like in dying Japan, another nation turned totally ridiculous and petulant. Young people don't separate pop culture from moral culture, especially as electronic gadgets keep them connected 24/7 with the latest buzz and fad. What happens here happens all over the world. Look how once great France(with a far greater history and culture than Korea) has turned into a pop culture copycat of the US. If even France cannot resist American garbage, Korea aint.

    Also, pop culture is now aggressively political and 'moralistic'. It isn't just entertainment but pushes an agenda, like the 'gay agenda' was pushed in the US.
    As Korean pop culture imitates US pop culture, Korea is headed in the same direction.
    If Koreans at least have strong family culture and spiritual culture--like people in Turkey--, they could push against pop culture trends and PC.
    But family culture is pretty much dead among the younger generations. And there is no indigenous Korean spirituality.
    As for Korean Christianity, it is proof that Koreans are a bunch of mindless drones who follow others. If Koreans are really so nationalistic, why did they forsake their own tradition and culture and adopt a foreign God so quickly? Why are they all nuts about studying the Talmud?
    Even though Korean Christians may oppose the 'gay agenda', their own example of having readily embraced and adopted a foreign idea and value system suggests that future Koreans will do the same with other trends.

    Koreans may have higher than average IQ globally but they are a stupid people. But then, this is true of Europeans as well who have gone nuts in embracing massive racial and cultural suicide. PC + Pop Culture = stupidity and suicide. The West leads, East follows. Maybe not China but the three political puppets of the US: Japan, Taiwan, and S. Korea. In the past, it wasn't so bad to be a puppet of the US since the Wasp-ruled America of the past had the right ideas. But who in his right mind would want to follow America's values today?

    In the end, we can only hope that Russia, China, Iran, Turkey, and some other independent nations remain free of the trash ideas and cultures that are spewing out of an America that is now corrupted and controlled by Jews and homos.

    We can write off Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. They're nothing but worthless dogs going down for they've been infected with the globalist bug at every level of society.
  224. “In fact, in Hawaii (!) where the potential damage and danger from sabotage and treason might have been far greater, Japanese-Americans were not interned – the local economy and war effort would have collapsed without them and they were considered, in any case, loyal enough.”

    See post 206.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    All of Hawaii was under martial law for a couple of years after Pearl Harbor. California was not.
  225. @anonymous
    "In fact, in Hawaii (!) where the potential damage and danger from sabotage and treason might have been far greater, Japanese-Americans were not interned – the local economy and war effort would have collapsed without them and they were considered, in any case, loyal enough."

    See post 206.

    All of Hawaii was under martial law for a couple of years after Pearl Harbor. California was not.

  226. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    About Japanese-American internment camps in Hawaii:

    http://hawaiiinternment.org/

    The Untold Story: Internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai’i, Presented by the Japanese Cultural Center of Hawai’i:

    “The JCCH Resource Center offers extensive resource materials related to the internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai‘i during World War II.

    …To preserve the history of the internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai‘i, we would like to hear from others about their experiences.

    …An overview of the internment of Japanese Americans, descriptions of the internment camps across Hawai‘i, and the legacy this has left behind.

    They have links to other web pages:

    http://www.discovernikkei.org/en/journal/2013/10/11/internment-hawaii/

    “Stepping into the Past: Behind the Scenes of The Untold Story: Internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai‘i”, Ryan Kawamoto, 11 Oct 2013.

    http://www.hawaii.edu/malamalama/2011/10/honouliuli/

    “The internment camp in West Oʻahu’s backyard”, Cheryl Ernst, Malamalama, The Magazine of the University of Hawai’i System, October 31st, 2011:

    “…“There are still scholarly works that say there were no internment camps in Hawaiʻi,” observes archaeologist Mary Farrell. In fact, there were at least 14 places in the islands where people were detained during World War II.

    The Honouliuli camp, located in a gulch cutting through agricultural land of Central Oʻahu, was the largest and longest operating. Dubbed “Hell Canyon” by some inhabitants, the 120-acre site opened in March 1943 after Sand Island facilities were deemed too exposed. …

    …The National Park Service, which is evaluating a number of confinement sites in Hawaiʻi for possible addition to the National Park system

    …By 1940 Japanese immigrants and their descendants represented nearly 40 percent of Hawaiʻi’s population, numbering more than 150,000. Only 1 percent of the Japanese Americans in Hawaiʻi were sent to camps; a higher percentage of European American residents were confined.

    …Ethnic German spouses lived as couples. Japanese men and women lived separately, although they may have met at dinner, and were more apt to be transferred to mainland camps.

    …the story of Hawaiʻi internment will not be forgotten.

    “Thank you for writing this article. The true story of internment of American citizens in Hawaii is long overdue.

    I am the author of “Shattered Lives, Shattered Dreams, a recently released book on the internment and its aftermath. I have included a chapter on the internment camps in Hawaii and a story by Doris Nye whose parents and sister were interned at Honoluilui.”

    This book might be mostly about interned German-Americans? Shattered Lives, Shattered Dreams: The Untold Story of America’s Enemy Aliens in World War II, Russell Estlack, June 8, 2011.

    http://encyclopedia.densho.org/Honouliuli_%28detention_facility%29/

    “Honouliuli (detention facility)”

    “Life of a Japanese Immigrant Boy in Hawaii & America (excerpts)”, George Y. Hoshida:

    “A description of the author’s time when he was first detained at Kilauea Military Camp on the Big Island, before he was sent to Oahu and then on to various mainland camps.”

    http://hawaiiinternment.org/untold-story/untold-story

    “…the government had secretly drafted preemptive lists to allow authorities to make quick arrests of hundreds of local Japanese in the event of war with Japan.

    …more than 40 percent of Hawai‘i’s population were of Japanese ancestry…

    …Within hours after the Pearl Harbor attack on December 7, 1941, people of Japanese ancestry in Hawai‘i were rounded up, arrested and kept in holding cells and local jails before being transferred to camps across the islands. Mainly male leaders of the immigrant community, a handful of women and some Nisei, including about 100 local Germans and Italians, were interned solely based on race.

    …In February 1942, the Army and Justice departments moved internees at Sand Island to camps on the Mainland, with family members of interned men given the option to join voluntarily.

    …the Japanese community remained fearful, anxious and discouraged. Because engaging in Japanese cultural activities became a sign of disloyalty, many traditions were suppressed, and this would ripple through generations. …”

    Here is a map of Internment Camps in Hawai‘i”, with information on each camp:

    “…Fueled by suspicions of disloyalty, the U.S. government interned 2,270 people of Japanese ancestry in Hawai‘i after the bombing of Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. Military personnel and local authorities collaborated on arrests…”

    Looks like the National Parks Service is on the case:

    “Once Lost, Internment Camp In Hawaii Now A National Monument”, Molly Solomon, NPR (Frontiers of Race, Culture, and Ethnicity), March 16, 2015:

    “…In February, President Obama named the location a national monument.

    The camp became known by prisoners as “jigokudani,” or “Hell’s Valley,” says Carole Hayashino, the president of the Japanese Cultural Center of Hawaii….”

    …Those targeted were religious leaders, local business owners and people like Urata, who went to school in Japan.

    …Removing that leadership had a huge impact, says Hayashino of the Japanese Cultural Center.

    “You’re leaving an entire community leaderless,” she says. “It’s selective, yet it’s very strategic….” …”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That's about what J. Edgar Hoover wanted to do on the West Coast: round-up Japanese empire loyalists, and move out Japanese-Americans from around the key naval stations in San Diego and Puget Sound, but leave the rest of the Japanese-Americans alone. But Hoover got over-ruled by California governor Earl Warren and FDR, both of whom wanted to intern all the Japanese on the West Coast.

    By the time they actually got going on it, the Battle of Midway had been won and the crisis of the war was over.

    , @Twinkie

    “…“There are still scholarly works that say there were no internment camps in Hawaiʻi,”
     
    Ok, point taken, but...

    By 1940 Japanese immigrants and their descendants represented nearly 40 percent of Hawaiʻi’s population, numbering more than 150,000. Only 1 percent of the Japanese Americans in Hawaiʻi were sent to camps
     
    When we discuss "internment" here, the term pertains to mass relocation and incarceration of an entire ethnic population in a guilt-by-birth manner, as was the case with California and Washington Japanese-Americans.

    "Only 1 percent" seems to me to be highly selective and targeted.
  227. @anonymous
    About Japanese-American internment camps in Hawaii:

    http://hawaiiinternment.org/

    The Untold Story: Internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai'i, Presented by the Japanese Cultural Center of Hawai'i:


    "The JCCH Resource Center offers extensive resource materials related to the internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai‘i during World War II.

    ...To preserve the history of the internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai‘i, we would like to hear from others about their experiences.

    ...An overview of the internment of Japanese Americans, descriptions of the internment camps across Hawai‘i, and the legacy this has left behind.

     

    They have links to other web pages:

    http://www.discovernikkei.org/en/journal/2013/10/11/internment-hawaii/

    "Stepping into the Past: Behind the Scenes of The Untold Story: Internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai‘i", Ryan Kawamoto, 11 Oct 2013.


    http://www.hawaii.edu/malamalama/2011/10/honouliuli/

    "The internment camp in West Oʻahu’s backyard", Cheryl Ernst, Malamalama, The Magazine of the University of Hawai'i System, October 31st, 2011:


    "...“There are still scholarly works that say there were no internment camps in Hawaiʻi,” observes archaeologist Mary Farrell. In fact, there were at least 14 places in the islands where people were detained during World War II.

    The Honouliuli camp, located in a gulch cutting through agricultural land of Central Oʻahu, was the largest and longest operating. Dubbed “Hell Canyon” by some inhabitants, the 120-acre site opened in March 1943 after Sand Island facilities were deemed too exposed. ...

    ...The National Park Service, which is evaluating a number of confinement sites in Hawaiʻi for possible addition to the National Park system...

    ...By 1940 Japanese immigrants and their descendants represented nearly 40 percent of Hawaiʻi’s population, numbering more than 150,000. Only 1 percent of the Japanese Americans in Hawaiʻi were sent to camps; a higher percentage of European American residents were confined.

    ...Ethnic German spouses lived as couples. Japanese men and women lived separately, although they may have met at dinner, and were more apt to be transferred to mainland camps.

    ...the story of Hawaiʻi internment will not be forgotten.

     



    "Thank you for writing this article. The true story of internment of American citizens in Hawaii is long overdue.

    I am the author of “Shattered Lives, Shattered Dreams, a recently released book on the internment and its aftermath. I have included a chapter on the internment camps in Hawaii and a story by Doris Nye whose parents and sister were interned at Honoluilui."

     

    This book might be mostly about interned German-Americans? Shattered Lives, Shattered Dreams: The Untold Story of America's Enemy Aliens in World War II, Russell Estlack, June 8, 2011.


    http://encyclopedia.densho.org/Honouliuli_%28detention_facility%29/

    "Honouliuli (detention facility)"


    "Life of a Japanese Immigrant Boy in Hawaii & America (excerpts)", George Y. Hoshida:


    "A description of the author’s time when he was first detained at Kilauea Military Camp on the Big Island, before he was sent to Oahu and then on to various mainland camps."

     

    http://hawaiiinternment.org/untold-story/untold-story


    "...the government had secretly drafted preemptive lists to allow authorities to make quick arrests of hundreds of local Japanese in the event of war with Japan.

    ...more than 40 percent of Hawai‘i's population were of Japanese ancestry...

    ...Within hours after the Pearl Harbor attack on December 7, 1941, people of Japanese ancestry in Hawai‘i were rounded up, arrested and kept in holding cells and local jails before being transferred to camps across the islands. Mainly male leaders of the immigrant community, a handful of women and some Nisei, including about 100 local Germans and Italians, were interned solely based on race.

    ...In February 1942, the Army and Justice departments moved internees at Sand Island to camps on the Mainland, with family members of interned men given the option to join voluntarily.

    ...the Japanese community remained fearful, anxious and discouraged. Because engaging in Japanese cultural activities became a sign of disloyalty, many traditions were suppressed, and this would ripple through generations. ..."

     

    Here is a map of Internment Camps in Hawai‘i", with information on each camp:


    "...Fueled by suspicions of disloyalty, the U.S. government interned 2,270 people of Japanese ancestry in Hawai‘i after the bombing of Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. Military personnel and local authorities collaborated on arrests..."

     

    Looks like the National Parks Service is on the case:

    "Once Lost, Internment Camp In Hawaii Now A National Monument", Molly Solomon, NPR (Frontiers of Race, Culture, and Ethnicity), March 16, 2015:


    "...In February, President Obama named the location a national monument.

    The camp became known by prisoners as "jigokudani," or "Hell's Valley," says Carole Hayashino, the president of the Japanese Cultural Center of Hawaii...."

    ...Those targeted were religious leaders, local business owners and people like Urata, who went to school in Japan.

    ...Removing that leadership had a huge impact, says Hayashino of the Japanese Cultural Center.

    "You're leaving an entire community leaderless," she says. "It's selective, yet it's very strategic...." ..."

     

    That’s about what J. Edgar Hoover wanted to do on the West Coast: round-up Japanese empire loyalists, and move out Japanese-Americans from around the key naval stations in San Diego and Puget Sound, but leave the rest of the Japanese-Americans alone. But Hoover got over-ruled by California governor Earl Warren and FDR, both of whom wanted to intern all the Japanese on the West Coast.

    By the time they actually got going on it, the Battle of Midway had been won and the crisis of the war was over.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    That’s about what J. Edgar Hoover wanted to do on the West Coast: round-up Japanese empire loyalists, and move out Japanese-Americans from around the key naval stations in San Diego and Puget Sound, but leave the rest of the Japanese-Americans alone.
     
    As usual, Hoover knew what he was talking about as the FBI had determined that Japanese-Americans (about 2/3 of Japanese in mainland were native-born American citizens) posed little threat to American security.

    The initial exclusion scheme included anyone with at least 1/16th (!) Japanese ancestry, so, you know, the one drop rule again. And contrary to the repeated denials until the 90's, the Census Bureau provided the necessary information to implement the exclusion.

    Also initially included were Korean- and Taiwanese-Americans because Korea and Taiwan were under Japanese occupation and they were Japanese subjects. So refugees from Japanese imperialism were detained and lumped with... the Japanese as enemy aliens.
  228. @bomag
    Except they haven’t killed anybody.

    Uhmm, I hardly know when to take such comments seriously, but since when has a body count been a metric in these things? Stalin and Mao retain their usual popularity; our SJWs are unmoved by any deaths attributed to their social engineering; and there is no comfort seeing our society devolve into a Dark Age behind a bloodless coup.

    Stalin and Mao were not SJWs. An SJW is typically a young SWPL who holds typically leftist, but not extreme leftist views. If you think that SWPLs = Al Qaeda, you’re retarded. SWPLs are some of the least violent people in America.

  229. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Except they haven’t killed anybody. It’s really terrible that you would compare a bunch of non-violent people who simply have a different ideology than you to a bunch of people who have killed thousands in the United States.
     
    They are absolutely not non-violent. They sic the state, with its trillions of dollars of resources, on their opponents to force them to comply with the SJWs' agenda. That's violence, pal.

    So you basically think that anybody who has different political opinions than you do is violent.

    Violence is what commonly happens in the ghetto and barrio (and less often in the trailer park). High IQ, upper middle class Whites (and their Asian associates) are some of the least violent people on this planet.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    So you basically think that anybody who has different political opinions than you do is violent.
     
    No, I think that someone who commits violence commits violence. It doesn't matter whether one does it by himself or in concert with numerous others through the mechanism of the state.
  230. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Sure, less than 1% of the Japanese were probably spying for Japan, but there was no way to honestly tell who that 1% was. The fast solution was simply to isolate the entire population with which the spy’s hid. Drain the sea, kill the fish.
     
    The vast majority of Japanese-Americans remained loyal to the United States during World War II, and to this day there exists little evidence that any but a very tiny fraction harbored any sympathy or actual allegiance to the Empire of Japan, let alone provided any material support.

    You don't imprison or otherwise alienate an entire, largely loyal, population to render ineffective a few disloyal malcontents.

    The political leaders at the time were largely aware of these facts but chose to scapegoat the Japanese-Americans to feed the mob hostility among the general population toward the Japanese ethnics. In fact, in Hawaii (!) where the potential damage and danger from sabotage and treason might have been far greater, Japanese-Americans were not interned - the local economy and war effort would have collapsed without them and they were considered, in any case, loyal enough.

    And, of course, Japanese-Americans distinguished themselves and proved their loyalty and courage in blood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/442nd_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)

    The 442nd Regimental Combat Team of the United States Army was a fighting unit composed almost entirely of American soldiers of Japanese ancestry who fought in World War II. Most of the families of mainland Japanese Americans were confined to internment camps in the United States interior. Beginning in 1944, the regiment fought primarily in Europe during World War II,[2] in particular Italy, southern France, and Germany.

    The 442nd Regiment was the most decorated unit for its size and length of service in the history of American warfare.[3] The 4,000 men who initially made up the unit in April 1943 had to be replaced nearly 2.5 times. In total, about 14,000 men served, earning 9,486 Purple Hearts. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (5 earned in one month).[4]:201 Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor.[2] Its motto was "Go for Broke".
     

    This is why I don’t blame them if most of them vote Democrat. As awful as the Democrats may be, at least they accept that a Japanese American family who has lived here for 5 generations, who speak perfect English, and who are educated, employed, and net tax payers, are Americans.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    This is why I don’t blame them if most of them vote Democrat.
     
    That's just silly. FDR was a Democrat the last time I checked and it was Republican Reagan who signed the act in 1988 that provided for compensation and an apology to the survivors of the camps.
  231. @Anonymous
    This is why I don't blame them if most of them vote Democrat. As awful as the Democrats may be, at least they accept that a Japanese American family who has lived here for 5 generations, who speak perfect English, and who are educated, employed, and net tax payers, are Americans.

    This is why I don’t blame them if most of them vote Democrat.

    That’s just silly. FDR was a Democrat the last time I checked and it was Republican Reagan who signed the act in 1988 that provided for compensation and an apology to the survivors of the camps.

  232. @anonymous
    About Japanese-American internment camps in Hawaii:

    http://hawaiiinternment.org/

    The Untold Story: Internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai'i, Presented by the Japanese Cultural Center of Hawai'i:


    "The JCCH Resource Center offers extensive resource materials related to the internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai‘i during World War II.

    ...To preserve the history of the internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai‘i, we would like to hear from others about their experiences.

    ...An overview of the internment of Japanese Americans, descriptions of the internment camps across Hawai‘i, and the legacy this has left behind.

     

    They have links to other web pages:

    http://www.discovernikkei.org/en/journal/2013/10/11/internment-hawaii/

    "Stepping into the Past: Behind the Scenes of The Untold Story: Internment of Japanese Americans in Hawai‘i", Ryan Kawamoto, 11 Oct 2013.


    http://www.hawaii.edu/malamalama/2011/10/honouliuli/

    "The internment camp in West Oʻahu’s backyard", Cheryl Ernst, Malamalama, The Magazine of the University of Hawai'i System, October 31st, 2011:


    "...“There are still scholarly works that say there were no internment camps in Hawaiʻi,” observes archaeologist Mary Farrell. In fact, there were at least 14 places in the islands where people were detained during World War II.

    The Honouliuli camp, located in a gulch cutting through agricultural land of Central Oʻahu, was the largest and longest operating. Dubbed “Hell Canyon” by some inhabitants, the 120-acre site opened in March 1943 after Sand Island facilities were deemed too exposed. ...

    ...The National Park Service, which is evaluating a number of confinement sites in Hawaiʻi for possible addition to the National Park system...

    ...By 1940 Japanese immigrants and their descendants represented nearly 40 percent of Hawaiʻi’s population, numbering more than 150,000. Only 1 percent of the Japanese Americans in Hawaiʻi were sent to camps; a higher percentage of European American residents were confined.

    ...Ethnic German spouses lived as couples. Japanese men and women lived separately, although they may have met at dinner, and were more apt to be transferred to mainland camps.

    ...the story of Hawaiʻi internment will not be forgotten.

     



    "Thank you for writing this article. The true story of internment of American citizens in Hawaii is long overdue.

    I am the author of “Shattered Lives, Shattered Dreams, a recently released book on the internment and its aftermath. I have included a chapter on the internment camps in Hawaii and a story by Doris Nye whose parents and sister were interned at Honoluilui."

     

    This book might be mostly about interned German-Americans? Shattered Lives, Shattered Dreams: The Untold Story of America's Enemy Aliens in World War II, Russell Estlack, June 8, 2011.


    http://encyclopedia.densho.org/Honouliuli_%28detention_facility%29/

    "Honouliuli (detention facility)"


    "Life of a Japanese Immigrant Boy in Hawaii & America (excerpts)", George Y. Hoshida:


    "A description of the author’s time when he was first detained at Kilauea Military Camp on the Big Island, before he was sent to Oahu and then on to various mainland camps."

     

    http://hawaiiinternment.org/untold-story/untold-story


    "...the government had secretly drafted preemptive lists to allow authorities to make quick arrests of hundreds of local Japanese in the event of war with Japan.

    ...more than 40 percent of Hawai‘i's population were of Japanese ancestry...

    ...Within hours after the Pearl Harbor attack on December 7, 1941, people of Japanese ancestry in Hawai‘i were rounded up, arrested and kept in holding cells and local jails before being transferred to camps across the islands. Mainly male leaders of the immigrant community, a handful of women and some Nisei, including about 100 local Germans and Italians, were interned solely based on race.

    ...In February 1942, the Army and Justice departments moved internees at Sand Island to camps on the Mainland, with family members of interned men given the option to join voluntarily.

    ...the Japanese community remained fearful, anxious and discouraged. Because engaging in Japanese cultural activities became a sign of disloyalty, many traditions were suppressed, and this would ripple through generations. ..."

     

    Here is a map of Internment Camps in Hawai‘i", with information on each camp:


    "...Fueled by suspicions of disloyalty, the U.S. government interned 2,270 people of Japanese ancestry in Hawai‘i after the bombing of Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. Military personnel and local authorities collaborated on arrests..."

     

    Looks like the National Parks Service is on the case:

    "Once Lost, Internment Camp In Hawaii Now A National Monument", Molly Solomon, NPR (Frontiers of Race, Culture, and Ethnicity), March 16, 2015:


    "...In February, President Obama named the location a national monument.

    The camp became known by prisoners as "jigokudani," or "Hell's Valley," says Carole Hayashino, the president of the Japanese Cultural Center of Hawaii...."

    ...Those targeted were religious leaders, local business owners and people like Urata, who went to school in Japan.

    ...Removing that leadership had a huge impact, says Hayashino of the Japanese Cultural Center.

    "You're leaving an entire community leaderless," she says. "It's selective, yet it's very strategic...." ..."

     

    “…“There are still scholarly works that say there were no internment camps in Hawaiʻi,”

    Ok, point taken, but…

    By 1940 Japanese immigrants and their descendants represented nearly 40 percent of Hawaiʻi’s population, numbering more than 150,000. Only 1 percent of the Japanese Americans in Hawaiʻi were sent to camps

    When we discuss “internment” here, the term pertains to mass relocation and incarceration of an entire ethnic population in a guilt-by-birth manner, as was the case with California and Washington Japanese-Americans.

    “Only 1 percent” seems to me to be highly selective and targeted.

  233. @Steve Sailer
    That's about what J. Edgar Hoover wanted to do on the West Coast: round-up Japanese empire loyalists, and move out Japanese-Americans from around the key naval stations in San Diego and Puget Sound, but leave the rest of the Japanese-Americans alone. But Hoover got over-ruled by California governor Earl Warren and FDR, both of whom wanted to intern all the Japanese on the West Coast.

    By the time they actually got going on it, the Battle of Midway had been won and the crisis of the war was over.

    That’s about what J. Edgar Hoover wanted to do on the West Coast: round-up Japanese empire loyalists, and move out Japanese-Americans from around the key naval stations in San Diego and Puget Sound, but leave the rest of the Japanese-Americans alone.

    As usual, Hoover knew what he was talking about as the FBI had determined that Japanese-Americans (about 2/3 of Japanese in mainland were native-born American citizens) posed little threat to American security.

    The initial exclusion scheme included anyone with at least 1/16th (!) Japanese ancestry, so, you know, the one drop rule again. And contrary to the repeated denials until the 90’s, the Census Bureau provided the necessary information to implement the exclusion.

    Also initially included were Korean- and Taiwanese-Americans because Korea and Taiwan were under Japanese occupation and they were Japanese subjects. So refugees from Japanese imperialism were detained and lumped with… the Japanese as enemy aliens.

  234. Another case of ludicrous cultural appropriation.

    Will these people ever get serious?

    This is just silly.

    But the pope’s expression is priceless. ROTFL.

  235. fnn says:

    As usual, Hoover knew what he was talking about…

    You don’t think of Hoover as a foreign policy expert, but maybe he correctly sized up the group character of the liberals/social democrats in and around the CIA and the CFR and the rest of the foreign policy establishment given that they did so much to create the disaster in Vietnam:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird#Directorate_for_Plans

    J. Edgar Hoover became jealous of the CIA’s growing power. Institutionally, the organizations were very different, with the CIA holding a more politically diverse group in contrast to the more conservative FBI. This was reflected in Hoover’s description of the OPC as “Wisner’s gang of weirdos”. Hoover began having investigations done into Wisner’s people. He found that some of them had been active in left-wing politics in the 1930s. This information was passed to Senator Joseph McCarthy who started making attacks on members of the OPC. Hoover also gave McCarthy details of an affair that Frank Wisner had with Princess Caradja in Romania during the war. Hoover claimed that Caradja was a Soviet agent.[11]

  236. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s an interesting factoid and Japanese internment. I suppose someone should have got around to asking this or figuring out to whom it applied before the war, but then hindsight is perfect and has lots of time:

    Internment of Japanese Americans: Loyalty questions and segregation:

    “…Question 27 asked whether an individual would be willing to serve in the armed forces (or, for women, the Auxiliary Corps), while Question 28 asked them to forswear their allegiance to the Emperor of Japan. Across the camps, persons who answered No to both questions became known as “No Nos.”

    While most camp inmates simply answered “yes” to both questions, several thousand — 17 percent of the total respondents, 20 percent of the Nisei — gave negative or qualified replies…”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    In general, the Japanese in America behaved quite honorably during WWII. Thousands of individuals frankly admitted they were loyal to the Emperor, and they generally got locked up for their honesty in a severe camp in northeastern California. Among those who who said they were loyal to the U.S., there were few cases of cheating.
  237. @anonymous
    Here's an interesting factoid and Japanese internment. I suppose someone should have got around to asking this or figuring out to whom it applied before the war, but then hindsight is perfect and has lots of time:

    Internment of Japanese Americans: Loyalty questions and segregation:


    "...Question 27 asked whether an individual would be willing to serve in the armed forces (or, for women, the Auxiliary Corps), while Question 28 asked them to forswear their allegiance to the Emperor of Japan. Across the camps, persons who answered No to both questions became known as "No Nos."

    While most camp inmates simply answered "yes" to both questions, several thousand — 17 percent of the total respondents, 20 percent of the Nisei — gave negative or qualified replies..."

     

    In general, the Japanese in America behaved quite honorably during WWII. Thousands of individuals frankly admitted they were loyal to the Emperor, and they generally got locked up for their honesty in a severe camp in northeastern California. Among those who who said they were loyal to the U.S., there were few cases of cheating.

  238. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “In general, the Japanese in America behaved quite honorably during WWII.”

    Absolutely. Very true. But there may still have been a few hundred spies, spies that the US had not worked out a way to identify, given our inability to penetrate Japanese intelligence services except by signals decryption. I wonder if the following is true? Do your readers know?

    “American MAGIC and Japanese-American Spies”, Roger McGrath, Chronicles, Sept 02, 2002:

    “…American cryptographers had broken… Japanese codes. …as a consequence, their decryptions became known by the name MAGIC. The MAGIC program was… revealed on a need-to-know basis… Eight volumes of MAGIC files were published by the Department of Defense in 1977. What they reveal is, like the decryption itself, stunning: Far from the resident Japanese not acting as spies and agents of an enemy power, hundreds of them were feeding information to Japan. If the U.S. government had arrested the individual spies, it would have been obvious that the United States had broken the Japanese codes. Faced with such a dilemma, President Roosevelt saw the evacuation of all Japanese from the Pacific Coast as the only answer.

    Throughout 1941, the United States frequently intercepted reports of Japanese resident aliens (“first generation Japanese”) and Japanese-Americans (“second generation Japanese”) providing information to Japanese agents. In a decrypted message from May 9, for example, a Japanese agent in Los Angeles reports,

    We have already established contact with absolutely reliable Japanese in the San Pedro and San Diego area, who will keep a close watch on all shipments of airplanes and other war materials. . . . We shall maintain connection with our second generations who are at present in the [U.S.] Army, to keep us informed of various developments in the Army. We also have connections with our second generations working in airplane plants for intelligence purposes.

    In a decrypt from May 11, a Japanese agent in Seattle mentions “second generation Japanese” and intelligence concerning “the concentration of warships within the Bremerton Naval Yard, information with regard to mercantile shipping and airplane manufacture, movements of military forces.” The agent also says that “we have made arrangements to collect intelligences from second generation Japanese draftees on matters dealing with troops, as well as troop speech and behavior.” A “first generation Japanese,” who is a union committee chairman, is identified as providing a report on the labor movement. “[F]or the collection of intelligences with regard to anti-participation organizations and the anti-Jewish movement, we are making use of a second generation Japanese lawyer.” And so it goes for hundreds of pages. Names of the resident Japanese (aliens and citizens) are often mentioned, although they are blanked out in the files published by the Department of Defense.

    Occasionally, a Japanese spy was arrested but only when his arrest would not compromise MAGIC. Richard Kotoshirodo, a Japanese-American working with a Japanese agent in Hawaii, was arrested shortly after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. The agent’s telephone had been tapped for months… it was clear that Kotoshirodo was supplying the agent with intelligence concerning the U.S. Navy. Once war broke out, Kotoshirodo’s activities could have gotten him executed for treason. However, his intelligence was relayed to Japan by the agent in code, and a trial would have required the admission that the United States had not only intercepted the signals but decrypted the code. Kotoshirodo was simply transported to Topaz Relocation Center in Utah. …”

  239. The Sorge spy ring was quite effective in Japan itself!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sorge

  240. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sorge

    This article enforces the point about non-Japanese intelligence not penetrating Japanese intelligence.

    Sorge’s inside track was that he was ethnic German, he passed easily for Nazi (he was a Nazi party member), and he became a familiar, trusted figure to the German embassy in Tokyo, Japan. His success seems tied to his ability to penetrate the German embassy in Tokyo. His one significant Japanese source was a journalist, albeit one who was similar to a member of today’s White House press corps.

    “…As he was apparently an ardent Nazi, he was welcome at the German Embassy. …

    …he disobeyed Stalin’s orders to return to the Soviet Union… given Stalin’s general paranoia… and Sorge’s German blood. In fact, two of Sorge’s earliest GRU handlers, Jan Karlovich Bersin and his successor, Artur Khristianovich Artuzov, were shot during the purges.

    …In 1941, through his Embassy contacts, he learned of Operation Barbarossa, the imminent Axis invasion of the USSR, and even the approximate date. Moscow received the report, but ultimately Joseph Stalin and other top leaders ignored Sorge’s warnings…

    …The date of 20 June was given to Sorge by Oberstleutnant (Lieutenant-Colonel) Erwin Scholl, the deputy military attaché at the German embassy.

    …Sorge was arrested shortly thereafter on October 18, 1941, in Tokyo. The next day, a brief memo notified German ambassador Eugen Ott that Sorge had been arrested “on suspicion of espionage” together with Max Clausen. Ott was both surprised and outraged, and assumed it was a case of “Japanese espionage hysteria”. He thought that Sorge had been discovered passing secret information on the Japan-US negotiations to the German embassy, and also that the arrest could be due to anti-German elements in the Japanese government.

    …Initially, the Japanese believed that, due to his Nazi party membership and German ties, Sorge was an Abwehr agent.

    Richard Sorge was hanged…”

    So the Japanese thought he was a German agent. The Germans apparently thought he was a walk-in working for the Germans. The German deputy military attaché obviously trusted him, a big mistake.

    If you count the start of the war between the Soviets and the Axis as 22-June-1941, when the Germans invaded Russia, and he was arrested on 18-Oct-1941, Sorge only lasted 4 months after war broke out. The Japanese didn’t even have to crack his code, they just noticed encrypted traffic. (So clearly very few other people were sending encrypted traffic!)

    Tangentially, Sorge was using an “unbreakable” one-time pad code, which just goes to show you that you can still end up dead with an unbreakable code. Though the code he was using was probably the same one that the US Venona cryptoanalysts eventually partially cracked (after some pads were accidentally reused, recovered, or captured, or other such sloppiness).

    It appears the Venona effort in the US to crack the Soviet codes profited when the US cracked the Japanese codes. They were able to learn (secretly, of course) of work the Japanese and Finns were doing to crack Soviet codes (both the Japanese and the Finns were at war with the Soviets during the 1930s; the Finns had recovered a partially burned code-book):

    “…One significant aid (mentioned by the NSA) in the early stages may have been work done in cooperation between the Japanese and Finnish cryptanalysis organizations; when the Americans broke into Japanese codes during World War II, they gained access to this information.

  241. @Anonymous
    So you basically think that anybody who has different political opinions than you do is violent.

    Violence is what commonly happens in the ghetto and barrio (and less often in the trailer park). High IQ, upper middle class Whites (and their Asian associates) are some of the least violent people on this planet.

    So you basically think that anybody who has different political opinions than you do is violent.

    No, I think that someone who commits violence commits violence. It doesn’t matter whether one does it by himself or in concert with numerous others through the mechanism of the state.

  242. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Accident of history.
     
    Those Koreans sure do seem to have a lot of "accidents history" for people who are supposedly mindless drones obedient to authority.

    In 1960, their First Republic fell in a massive, nationwide protest after some demonstrating university students were shot by police officers.

    The Second Republic was racked by continual riots (including those by elementary school pupils who would protest re-assignment of popular teachers, for example). The disorder was such that the subsequent military coup was welcomed by the majority in order to restore order.

    Then the leader of the coup, General (later President) Park Chung-Hee, went against the popular sentiment and established diplomatic relationship with Japan in return for Japanese investment, with which money he built POSCO (against all international advice to the contrary). POSCO is now one of the greatest steelmakers and shipbuilders in the world, and was in large part responsible for igniting the South Korean post-war economic miracle.

    After he was assassinated, there was another military coup and dictatorship, which too fell to popular demonstrations, that led to elections in the late 1980's and full democratization.

    Far from being docile and mindless, South Koreans seem, if anything, quite cantankerous. I think it was P. J. O'Rourke who said that Koreans are "hard-drinking, hard-headed tough little bastards, the Irishmen of Asia."

    It will have fruiter ‘marriage’ in ten yrs.
     
    South Korea only in the last couple of years decriminalized adultery. I strongly doubt it will have "homosexual marriage" in ten years. It has a very Westernized material culture, but its social culture is still quite traditional and in any case is strongly affected by a highly evangelical strain of Protestantism (to which about a quarter or so of the population subscribes).

    “Those Koreans sure do seem to have a lot of “accidents history” for people who are supposedly mindless drones obedient to authority.”

    Not much. Korea changed very little over a very long time. North Korea is like Korea of the past. You see how little changes. So, the natural way of Koreans is to be mindless drones. South Korea in the 20th century was an accident of history. Now that S. Korea has settled into a ‘normal country’, it is turning into a mindless drone-nation once again.

    South Korea did change a lot but in mindless imitation of other nations. In the past, this wasn’t so bad since the West and Japan used to be sane. But since the end of the Cold War, the West has gone nuts with PC, multi-culturalism, the ‘gay’ agenda, debauchery, decadence, and other lunacies. Imitate this garbage, and it is recipe for national and racial suicide.

    All the political upheaval you mention were reactions to bad times.
    But keep in mind that South Korean youth were inspired by foreign ideas. They were following foreign trends.
    And many on the left were pretty radical and dogmatic. They were not free-thinkers.

    “Far from being docile and mindless, South Koreans seem, if anything, quite cantankerous. I think it was P. J. O’Rourke who said that Koreans are “hard-drinking, hard-headed tough little bastards, the Irishmen of Asia.””

    That’s why Koreans are ultimately easy to control. They are childish and infantile. They are impulsive. In the past, when South Korea was a more conservative society, all that pent-up fury went into political protest.
    Today, as Korea is a democratic and becoming more libertine(like the decadent West), much of that youth energy goes into pop culture and narcissistic trashiness. Such mindlessness can easily be manipulated and controlled by the pop culture industry.

    Also, the intellectual class tends to be leftist. When Korea was ruled by conservatives and militarists, the left played the role of dissidence and greater freedom, if only to have more freedom for themselves to oppose the regime.
    But since the fall of the military and rise of democracy, all the top institutions have been filled by Western PC-trained ‘lefty’ types who are now into turning students into docile sheep of PC.

    Notice how students in the West went from challengers of school authority to followers of school authority. They swallow all the PC pushed by their teachers. Even their protests are now officially sanctioned by the elites.
    The same will happen to Korea. Where do you see protests anymore?

    Also, prior to the internet, Korean youths were largely limited to Korean media and korean entertainment like in all other nations. Korea is one of the most internet-connected nations in the world, and this had made it very globalist, no longer nationalist.
    Also, the massive immigration to US means there’s a huge Korean-American community in the US that knows and cares nothing of Korean history and culture but are immersed in junk trash culture and spreads it back to Korea. (Japan has been spared this because Japanese immigration to the US dried up after WWII.)
    Also, most Korean academics got their training in US universities, and they regurgitate in Korea all the stuff they blindly swallowed in America and Europe.

    In a way, Americans figured out how to win over Koreans and make them happy and docile like a child. Ian Buruma got it right in God’s Dust. Korean nationalism was premised on envy, resentment, and inferiority complex. Koreans bitch about the great powers and how they did wrong to Korea but, deep down inside, they just wanna belong to the great nation club.
    So, if US were to treat S. Korea like an important nation and praise Korean pop music and soap operas, Koreans are so giddy with joy over the recognition that they will go to any length to play toady to win more approval. Sham Korean pride is all about winning approval of the ‘great nations’. It is toadyism, nothing more.
    When Korea didn’t get the respect in the past, they were nationalistic with envy and resentment. Now that they are shown some ‘respect’, they are happy to be a globalist dog to PC to win more accolades.

    “South Korea only in the last couple of years decriminalized adultery. I strongly doubt it will have “homosexual marriage” in ten years. It has a very Westernized material culture, but its social culture is still quite traditional and in any case is strongly affected by a highly evangelical strain of Protestantism (to which about a quarter or so of the population subscribes).”

    Important thing is it was decriminalized, which means huge changes are afoot.
    Also, material culture now dictates moral culture as we’ve seen in the US.
    With Koreans having so few kids, family culture is dead in Korea. New generation of Koreans just watch TV and listen to pop music, just like in dying Japan, another nation turned totally ridiculous and petulant. Young people don’t separate pop culture from moral culture, especially as electronic gadgets keep them connected 24/7 with the latest buzz and fad. What happens here happens all over the world. Look how once great France(with a far greater history and culture than Korea) has turned into a pop culture copycat of the US. If even France cannot resist American garbage, Korea aint.

    Also, pop culture is now aggressively political and ‘moralistic’. It isn’t just entertainment but pushes an agenda, like the ‘gay agenda’ was pushed in the US.
    As Korean pop culture imitates US pop culture, Korea is headed in the same direction.
    If Koreans at least have strong family culture and spiritual culture–like people in Turkey–, they could push against pop culture trends and PC.
    But family culture is pretty much dead among the younger generations. And there is no indigenous Korean spirituality.
    As for Korean Christianity, it is proof that Koreans are a bunch of mindless drones who follow others. If Koreans are really so nationalistic, why did they forsake their own tradition and culture and adopt a foreign God so quickly? Why are they all nuts about studying the Talmud?
    Even though Korean Christians may oppose the ‘gay agenda’, their own example of having readily embraced and adopted a foreign idea and value system suggests that future Koreans will do the same with other trends.

    Koreans may have higher than average IQ globally but they are a stupid people. But then, this is true of Europeans as well who have gone nuts in embracing massive racial and cultural suicide. PC + Pop Culture = stupidity and suicide. The West leads, East follows. Maybe not China but the three political puppets of the US: Japan, Taiwan, and S. Korea. In the past, it wasn’t so bad to be a puppet of the US since the Wasp-ruled America of the past had the right ideas. But who in his right mind would want to follow America’s values today?

    In the end, we can only hope that Russia, China, Iran, Turkey, and some other independent nations remain free of the trash ideas and cultures that are spewing out of an America that is now corrupted and controlled by Jews and homos.

    We can write off Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. They’re nothing but worthless dogs going down for they’ve been infected with the globalist bug at every level of society.

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