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iSteve commenter George looks up what kind of high school Biden’s cabinet-level nominees attended:

As an alternative to race I used the type of high school they attended as a proxy for class. Whites, Asians and Jews mostly attended private school.

Yellen and Garland went to public school possibly because they were old school being born in the 40s.

Hispanic Jewishness. I noticed many Hispanics, like Guzman & AOC, are claiming a vague Jewish ancestry which I interpret to mean a vague Iberian Moorish ancestry. I noticed they do not mention a vague Muslim or North African ancestry.

Avril Haines did go to public HS, but Hunter college HS is in a class by itself in New York City, and is the most selective HS in NYC public or private. Fun fact, brown belt Judo.

Catholic CIA director Burns attended a Church of England high school.

I like that Biden chose a Vo-Tech grad for education,.

Data based on Wikipedia and web searches I added the type of HS they attended.
Public = Public High School
Prep = Preparatory
Catholic or Church of England = parochial high school

Sec of State (Antony Blinken – WHITE-JEWISH) Dalton
Sec of the Treasury (Janet Yellen – WHITE-JEWISH) Public
Sec of Defense (Lloyd Austin – BLACK) Public
Attorney General (Merrick Garland – WHITE-JEWISH) Public
Sec of the Interior (Deb Haaland – MIXED RACE (Red Indian + Norwegian)) Public
Sec of Ag (Tom Vilsack – WHITE-CATHOLIC) Secular Independent, Day & boarding, prep

Sec of Commerce (Gina Raimondo – WHITE-CATHOLIC (Italian American)) Catholic, prep
Sec of Labor (Marty Walsh – WHITE-CATHOLIC (Irish American)) Catholic, prep
Sec of HHS (Xavier Becerra – HISPANIC (Mexican American)) Public
Sec of Housing and Urban Development (Marcia Fudge – BLACK) Public
Sec of Transportation (Pete Buttigieg – WHITE-CATHOLIC) Catholic, Private

Sec of Energy (Jennifer Granholm – WHITE-CATHOLIC (Scandinavian + Irish)) Public
Sec of Education (Miguel Cardona – HISPANIC (P R)) Vocational HS
Sec of Veterans Affairs (Denis McDonough – WHITE-CATHOLIC (Irish American)) Public
Sec of Homeland Security (Alejandro Mayorkas HISPANIC-JEWISH) Beverly hills HS
Trade Representative (Katherine Tai – ASIAN (Chinese American)) Sidwell Friends
Dir of National Intelligence (Avril Haines – WHITE-JEWISH) Hunter College H.S.
Dir of the OMB (Neera Tanden – ASIAN (Indian-American)Public
Dir of the CIA (William Burns – WHITE CATHOLIC (Irish-American)) Church of England
Admin of the Environmental Protection Agency (Michael S. Regan – BLACK) ??????
Admin of the SBA (Isabel Guzman – HISPANIC-JEWISH ??????

 
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  1. So maybe private schools for your kids are worth the “investment”…… but maybe not?

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Redneck farmer


    So maybe private schools for your kids are worth the “investment”…… but maybe not?
     
    This is an obvious point, but doesn't that really depend on what public school is available to you? My parents both went to boarding school (and my mother even worked at a really good private school while I was in HS), but my sister and I both went to public high school--hers in the Chicago suburbs and mine in Cincinnati. Both were very good, in mostly well-off communities, with not a lot of NAMs, etc. etc.

    You have that option in places like Beverly Hills and Greenwich, CT and where I grew up. But in a lot of places you either go private or let your children try to struggle through a suboptimal four years.

    Replies: @Redman, @Desiderius

    , @guest007
    @Redneck farmer

    Very few private schools puts on on track to reach the highest levels of the government. In many instances, going to an elite private schools harms students who are in the bottom half of the distribution and have zero chance of getting the leadership experience to be able to compete in the Darwinian world of high level politics.

  2. Yellen and Garland went to public school possibly because they were old school being born in the 40s.

    Merrick Garland: born November 13, 1952 (age 68 years)

  3. Not a single white protestant. Why does this not surprise me?

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @The Plutonium Kid

    Pete Buttigieg is the sole white Protestant (Episcopalian), but was raised a Catholic, and likely switched due to Episcopalianism's greater tolerance of homosexuality or for some other reason entirely unrelated to doctrinal matters.

    Buttigieg is such a dorky type that he probably made up a list when he was 14 (just 25 years ago) of what he needed to do to become president and has been dutifully carrying around the list and checking off boxes ever since: win a Rhodes Scholarship (like then-president Bill Clinton), serve in the military (like George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole), and attend church (like pretty much every president). No requirement to be sincere.

    The lack of white Protestants and enormous number of Jews in Biden's Cabinet is what makes me think Biden isn't really making many of the decisions. Whatever his other lengthy list of weaknesses, Biden doesn't strike me as the kind of person carrying around a lengthy list of grudges. Hatred of white Protestants (especially WASPs) is more a hatred carried around by a certain other group of people, not guys like Joe Biden.

    Of course Jews only hate WASPs for the same reason that other people hate Jews: their power and success and control of institutions. Power which, of course, WASPs no longer have to any great degree.

  4. Don’t that much about today but Hunter College HS in my day (I did not attend) was an artsier school, more for the type of students who didn’t want or couldn’t test into Bronx Sci, Brooklyn Tech.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @Anon


    Don’t that much about today but Hunter College HS in my day (I did not attend) was an artsier school, more for the type of students who didn’t want or couldn’t test into Bronx Sci, Brooklyn Tech.
     
    Wrong. Since it's inception - up until the 1980's it was restricted to girls - admission to Hunter College high school has been based on a real deal IQ test, not an approximating competitive test. I would guess that the floor IQ for Hunter College HS is about 130.

    Replies: @George

    , @Alden
    @Anon

    You mean Hunter prep an all girls school

  5. So it looks like people who are outstandingly talented will succeed in both public schools and private schools, but that those who come from wealthier families are more likely to have attended private high schools.

    However having been extremely successful in their various high schools, most of these people will have been eligible for scholarships at elite universities.

    Who is the last person to hold the presidency or cabinet office who did not go to college?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jonathan Mason

    Truman, who was already considered a bit slow by his colleagues, although Johnson arguably never went to anything most people would consider a "real" college.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @black sea
    @Jonathan Mason

    Harry Truman

    , @Anonymouse
    @Jonathan Mason

    How 'bout Harry Truman? After graduating from Independence High School in 1901, Truman enrolled in Spalding's Commercial College, a Kansas City business school. He studied bookkeeping, shorthand, and typing, but left after a year. In addition to having briefly attended business college, from 1923 to 1925 he took night courses toward an LL.B. at the Kansas City Law School (now the University of Missouri–Kansas City School of Law), but dropped out.

    The above is copied from Wikipedia.

    , @George
    @Jonathan Mason

    It was once common for lawyers to enter the law business by apprenticeship, aka reading law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_law

    The last supreme court justice with no credentials beyond a Catholic HS.

    At 14, Byrnes left St. Patrick's Catholic School to work in a law office, and became a court stenographer. Notably, he transcribed the 1903 trial of South Carolina Lieutenant Governor James H. Tillman (nephew of Senator and former governor "Pitchfork Ben" Tillman), for murdering a newspaper editor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_F._Byrnes

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Altai
    @Jonathan Mason

    It depends on what you want to be successful at. A crendtialised technical field or being the 'founder' or 'co-founder' of some entity or an investment banker. One needs the social connections to other rich kids the other doesn't. One guy I went to school with who was a genuine psychopath, (He had absolutely no empathy for anyone or anything) he wasn't stupid but was a pretty bad student. His father though worked at Deutsche and so he got a nice internship with them, not sure if he blew it but there is no chance somebody with such poor credentials without the social connections he had through his father would have got that.

    And going to a bad school won't badly hurt everyone but can impact or lower the performance of lots of people. Remember, you're not testing for intelligence, you're testing for the thing you've using as a proxy, going to a competitive or highly disciplined school will influence people and their efforts that has little to do with who they are at core as a person.

    Replies: @Znzn

    , @AceDeuce
    @Jonathan Mason

    Nine presidents did not graduate from college-including a few heavy hitters--Washington, Lincoln, and Grover Cleveland. Several Supreme Court justices, including John Marshall, didn't either. Many of the most successful and prominent governors and mayors in our history, including several in the 20th Century, didn't either.

  6. @Jonathan Mason
    So it looks like people who are outstandingly talented will succeed in both public schools and private schools, but that those who come from wealthier families are more likely to have attended private high schools.

    However having been extremely successful in their various high schools, most of these people will have been eligible for scholarships at elite universities.

    Who is the last person to hold the presidency or cabinet office who did not go to college?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @black sea, @Anonymouse, @George, @Altai, @AceDeuce

    Truman, who was already considered a bit slow by his colleagues, although Johnson arguably never went to anything most people would consider a “real” college.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @J.Ross

    Southwest Texas State Teacher's College.

  7. As for Hispanic-Jewish there is this distinction. Among some Hispanics there is a current fad to search for possible Jewish ancestors, Conversos who kept a number of jewish customs. Why did my abuela light candles on Friday evening and mumble a prayer? Then there are real Jewish Hispanics, for example Frida Kahlo whose father was a genuine German Jewish immigrant. Likewise Alejandro Nicholas Mayorkas. His father was a Cuban Jew of Sephardic background who owned and operated a steel wool factory in Havana.His mother was a Romanian Jew whose family escaped the Holocaust and fled to Cuba in the 1940s.

    I must admit I am proud of my race’s accomplishments in the face of a hostile world. In my own way I am trying to live up to that model by using the small percentage of those genetic gifts that I inherited.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Anonymouse

    As a footnote, I take exception to the jew haters on this forum who assert that the jews hate everybody else. As that is patently false - just ask one, me for example or my gentile wife - those remarks are a classic example of projection. The jew hater hates hates hates the jew. That is a given. So he accuses the jew of hating him with an inveterate hatred going back to Pharaonic times.

    Replies: @Austin Slater, @Marty

    , @anon
    @Anonymouse

    Among some Hispanics there is a current fad to search for possible Jewish ancestors, Conversos who kept a number of jewish customs.

    "Fad" is a good word to use in this context, although it's been around for decades. Any investigation usually turns up with nada, though, as with African Kangs. Somehow no matter how diligent the research, an actual Jewish converso never quite turns up...or once in a while if they do it's actually a Moro. Oops.

    Then there are real Jewish Hispanics, for example Frida Kahlo whose father was a genuine German Jewish immigrant.

    Frida was also a great admirer of Stalin as well. Not much of an artist, although it's crimespeak to say so. Seriously overrated thanks to good PR by leftards for the last 50 years.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Bizarro World Observer
    @Anonymouse

    In New Mexico, which was settled in the 1500s by Spanish immigrants, a number of those immigrants were in fact "conversos" who had not really converted, and who took the chance to remove themselves from the Inquisition. It wasn't a very large number, but it did happen, and some of them did in fact retain some of their Jewish customs, despite becoming Catholic along the way.

    That's not to say that AOC or any of the others have genuine Jewish ancestry. I have no way of knowing.

  8. @Jonathan Mason
    So it looks like people who are outstandingly talented will succeed in both public schools and private schools, but that those who come from wealthier families are more likely to have attended private high schools.

    However having been extremely successful in their various high schools, most of these people will have been eligible for scholarships at elite universities.

    Who is the last person to hold the presidency or cabinet office who did not go to college?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @black sea, @Anonymouse, @George, @Altai, @AceDeuce

    Harry Truman

  9. @Redneck farmer
    So maybe private schools for your kids are worth the "investment"...... but maybe not?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @guest007

    So maybe private schools for your kids are worth the “investment”…… but maybe not?

    This is an obvious point, but doesn’t that really depend on what public school is available to you? My parents both went to boarding school (and my mother even worked at a really good private school while I was in HS), but my sister and I both went to public high school–hers in the Chicago suburbs and mine in Cincinnati. Both were very good, in mostly well-off communities, with not a lot of NAMs, etc. etc.

    You have that option in places like Beverly Hills and Greenwich, CT and where I grew up. But in a lot of places you either go private or let your children try to struggle through a suboptimal four years.

    • Replies: @Redman
    @slumber_j

    The main reason about 1/2 of Westchester residents pay such high property taxes is to get access to good public schools. And “good” is defined as “not near POCs.”

    That’s more of an issue than the prep versus public school divide in America.

    Replies: @ex-banker, @Dr. Dre

    , @Desiderius
    @slumber_j

    Cincinnati Publics (especially the “good” schools) have all gone downhill in subtle but unmistakable ways since we attended. They were top of the top then (we regularly outscored all the privates in test competitions/National Merit Scholars and the like). No more not close.

    Little to do with NAMs either. Globalists care little for local institutions. Even Ivies are local nowadays.

    Replies: @slumber_j

  10. @Jonathan Mason
    So it looks like people who are outstandingly talented will succeed in both public schools and private schools, but that those who come from wealthier families are more likely to have attended private high schools.

    However having been extremely successful in their various high schools, most of these people will have been eligible for scholarships at elite universities.

    Who is the last person to hold the presidency or cabinet office who did not go to college?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @black sea, @Anonymouse, @George, @Altai, @AceDeuce

    How ’bout Harry Truman? After graduating from Independence High School in 1901, Truman enrolled in Spalding’s Commercial College, a Kansas City business school. He studied bookkeeping, shorthand, and typing, but left after a year. In addition to having briefly attended business college, from 1923 to 1925 he took night courses toward an LL.B. at the Kansas City Law School (now the University of Missouri–Kansas City School of Law), but dropped out.

    The above is copied from Wikipedia.

  11. @Anonymouse
    As for Hispanic-Jewish there is this distinction. Among some Hispanics there is a current fad to search for possible Jewish ancestors, Conversos who kept a number of jewish customs. Why did my abuela light candles on Friday evening and mumble a prayer? Then there are real Jewish Hispanics, for example Frida Kahlo whose father was a genuine German Jewish immigrant. Likewise Alejandro Nicholas Mayorkas. His father was a Cuban Jew of Sephardic background who owned and operated a steel wool factory in Havana.His mother was a Romanian Jew whose family escaped the Holocaust and fled to Cuba in the 1940s.

    I must admit I am proud of my race's accomplishments in the face of a hostile world. In my own way I am trying to live up to that model by using the small percentage of those genetic gifts that I inherited.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @anon, @Bizarro World Observer

    As a footnote, I take exception to the jew haters on this forum who assert that the jews hate everybody else. As that is patently false – just ask one, me for example or my gentile wife – those remarks are a classic example of projection. The jew hater hates hates hates the jew. That is a given. So he accuses the jew of hating him with an inveterate hatred going back to Pharaonic times.

    • Agree: Cato
    • Replies: @Austin Slater
    @Anonymouse

    They hate Jews because they correctly identify individual Jews (or groups of Jews) as big supporters of things they hate (mass immigration, gibs for bleks, gay shit, etc.). The fact that Jews freak out when people like MacDonald calmly point out Jewish involvement in major social movements makes them hate you even more.

    , @Marty
    @Anonymouse

    Do you know any Jewish person who has a non-Jew handling his or her money, or, e.g., who is a limited partner in an enterprise whose general partner is not Jewish? Any Jewish woman whose gyno is not a Jew?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hibernian, @Alden

  12. @slumber_j
    @Redneck farmer


    So maybe private schools for your kids are worth the “investment”…… but maybe not?
     
    This is an obvious point, but doesn't that really depend on what public school is available to you? My parents both went to boarding school (and my mother even worked at a really good private school while I was in HS), but my sister and I both went to public high school--hers in the Chicago suburbs and mine in Cincinnati. Both were very good, in mostly well-off communities, with not a lot of NAMs, etc. etc.

    You have that option in places like Beverly Hills and Greenwich, CT and where I grew up. But in a lot of places you either go private or let your children try to struggle through a suboptimal four years.

    Replies: @Redman, @Desiderius

    The main reason about 1/2 of Westchester residents pay such high property taxes is to get access to good public schools. And “good” is defined as “not near POCs.”

    That’s more of an issue than the prep versus public school divide in America.

    • Replies: @ex-banker
    @Redman

    And then there are those of us who bought houses in towns without many NAMs and ended up sending our kids to private schools anyway to get away from the Asians...

    , @Dr. Dre
    @Redman

    The Westchester school district that I grew up going to and graduating from almost 60 yrs ago still has small graduating classes -- about 100 kids. You walked to school and came home for lunch through elementary school (K-6); Jr-Sr High School you had lunch in the cafeteria. Walked or got driven, drive yourself at 16. There was a small busload of "tuition" kids from an outlying area, not part of the school district. You should have seen the school's student parking lot, although a neighboring school district boasted a flashier display of automotive pulchritude! Not sure that today's teens are that interested in cars/getting their licenses etc. It really was like a private school, very similar experience that my children had at their private schools in other states where we lived. It was also very diverse in a good sense -- not forced by law. There were incomes at all levels, with some kids coming from single parent home living in a rental and others living in big places. Lots of ethnic groups were represented, with Italians and Jews prominent in my memory, and the old-stock white families mostly attended the local Dutch Reformed Church. A few Asians. Just a couple of blacks. Maybe more came later.

    I say it was diverse in an important way: you saw how there was good/bad features in each "group"; a good percentage of the Jewish kids were not all that smart; the "hoodie" Italian kids had a few bright academically-inclined students, but many of the others were going to hair-dressing school each afternoon a couple of hours before school ended. You saw all types and were not sheltered from these differences, meaning it was hard to make prejudicial statements about people. Everybody observed and learned from each other safely. It was about as ideal an educational system as I have ever seen.

    Lots of Japanese were there in later decades of the 20th c. as NYC had an influx of businessmen from Japan and they needed places to live with commuting possibilities and good schools for their kiddies. A lot of folks who live in the district while their children are in school will move to a less expensive area after graduation, especially as they will need the money required for Ivy League tuition payments!

    Replies: @Jack D

  13. Hispanic Jewishness. I noticed many Hispanics, like Guzman & AOC, are claiming a vague Jewish ancestry which I interpret to mean a vague Iberian Moorish ancestry. I noticed they do not mention a vague Muslim or North African ancestry

    .

    They’re called Crypto Jews or Anusim, which means they are descendants of Jews forced to convert to Christianity in the 15th century. There’s a well documented history of Jews hiding their identity and preserving it for up to 10 generations in Latin America. No such parallel exists to my knowledge for Arab or Muslim converts to Christianity.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @ginger bread man


    No such parallel exists to my knowledge for Arab or Muslim converts to Christianity.
     
    Such conversion in Muslim governed nations is usually punishable by death ('apostasy'). There is a big hubbub every time Pakistan tries to execute a convert. For some reason Christian missionaries try to convert there.

    I'm not sure where this practice comes from, though I assume it is from the Koran (Qaran, etc.). There probably have been Christian countries/kingdoms in the past where this was also the law (middle ages and earlier), becoming a pagan or Muslim. Spain likely.

    So Muslim converts to other religions better move, pronto. In nations like India with huge Muslim populations (the most of any country) this isn't the law but usually conversions are socially forbidden if not illegal. Do so and move is good advice.

    I don't think the few Jewish run nations ever had a death penalty for conversion. Maybe in the Old Testament times.

    Muslims seem to be the main faith that still tries to enforce this now. Saudi Arabia also.
  14. The one that stands out to me is the Secretary of Education attending a vocational school. People in America often wonder why we don’t have much vocational training like Germany.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @TGGP

    When Mies van der Rohe was tapped to design the Seagram Bldg, we wasn't licensed in NY, but the Ed. Dept. grandfathered him in, when they determined that his prewar German technical high school degree was the equivalent of an M. Arch.

    Mies set up the arch. school at Illinois Inst. of Tech (ITT); his tireless promoter in the US, Philip Johnson, had a degree in Greek from Harvard (he started in Philosophy but Whitehead told him he was not cut out for it) but after several years promoting modern arch. got a degree from Harvard rather than ITT because Mies, though supposedly his idol, demanded too much... work.

    Johnson lived in his famous Glass House in Connecticut because CT didn't require a license to practice architecture. Elsewhere he had licensed architects in a given state sign off on his "drawings".

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Alden
    @TGGP

    Because a couple hours a day in a vocational class is a couple hours a day is a couple hours a day not being brainwashed in hate Whitey love gays are you really a different sex classes.

    Actually, it all started when Malcolm X write his autobiography. He claimed his high school counselor advised him to sign up for shop classes so he could be an auto mechanic or union carpenter. Because the construction unions and car repair shop owners hired kids from the high school shop classes.

    Malcolm claimed that insulted him as a barely black man. So the schools abolished the ship classes as racists. All blacks should go to college and law school don cha know?

    As with everything else shop classes are racist.

  15. Speaking of looking at the world through high school eyes, has anyone else noticed the past week’s spate of fashion and hair stories focused on the Ladies of the Inauguration?

    I haven’t gone looking for these, but Google has been pushing them into my passive news feed one after another.

    The trend has been interesting. The initial stories highlighted Amanda Gorman, as Steve noted earlier. Here’s an example from Allure:

    While her poetic language became instantly immortalized across social media, it wasn’t the only thing that caught people’s attention. Folks on Twitter were almost as mesmerized by her glowing makeup and cool, oversized headband.

    I also saw articles on Mrs Biden — ah, I mean Doktajill Biden, as I gather she’s called — and her outfit.

    I even saw an article comparing poor Kamala’s outfit to the one Lisa Simpson wore in an episode back in the 90s (poor Kamala just does not seem to be one of the popular girls).

    But in the past couple of days I have been blessed with several stories reminding me of the true order of things. For example:

    Michelle Obama’s Hair Won The 2021 Inauguration

    And another:

    Michelle Obama’s stylist explained the meaning behind her inauguration outfit: ‘She has taken a look at the rule book and turned the page’

    Key quotation from Michelle’s hairdresser:

    She leads, she inspires, and she slays.

    One other interesting note from that same article. It had been reported that all the Inauguration Ladies might have called each other the night before to coordinate outfits, because, like, they were all wearing purple? But think again, commoner:

    “That’s a cute story,” [Michelle’s hairdresser] said, “but it wasn’t the intention.”

    I think we’re seeing the opening salvos in the battle for who’s going to be — or remain — Washington DC’s Number One Woman.

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Dr Jill tried to wrest back the spotlight with that absurd photo-op -- gracing the used and abused National Guard troops with her eminent presence plus a few meager baskets of cookies.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    And, right on cue, this morning I wake up to find that Kamala's publicity team has struck back:

    Kamala Harris' stylish university photo bears sweet link to her inauguration day outfit

    This incisive article helpfully provides us with some very important facts about Kamala we must never ever ever overlook:

    The 56-year-old politician – who was sworn in at the Capitol in Washington D.C on Wednesday – has been praised for her effortlessly glamorous purple coat and dress ensemble, by American designer Christopher John Rogers.

    . . .

    Harris has become known as one of the more fashionable players in American politics.
     

    This is more evidence that the highly-anticipated Kamala vs Doktajill vs Michelle Glam Girls catfight is already shaping up nicely.

    Replies: @Alden

  16. @Redneck farmer
    So maybe private schools for your kids are worth the "investment"...... but maybe not?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @guest007

    Very few private schools puts on on track to reach the highest levels of the government. In many instances, going to an elite private schools harms students who are in the bottom half of the distribution and have zero chance of getting the leadership experience to be able to compete in the Darwinian world of high level politics.

  17. @slumber_j
    @Redneck farmer


    So maybe private schools for your kids are worth the “investment”…… but maybe not?
     
    This is an obvious point, but doesn't that really depend on what public school is available to you? My parents both went to boarding school (and my mother even worked at a really good private school while I was in HS), but my sister and I both went to public high school--hers in the Chicago suburbs and mine in Cincinnati. Both were very good, in mostly well-off communities, with not a lot of NAMs, etc. etc.

    You have that option in places like Beverly Hills and Greenwich, CT and where I grew up. But in a lot of places you either go private or let your children try to struggle through a suboptimal four years.

    Replies: @Redman, @Desiderius

    Cincinnati Publics (especially the “good” schools) have all gone downhill in subtle but unmistakable ways since we attended. They were top of the top then (we regularly outscored all the privates in test competitions/National Merit Scholars and the like). No more not close.

    Little to do with NAMs either. Globalists care little for local institutions. Even Ivies are local nowadays.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Desiderius


    Cincinnati Publics (especially the “good” schools) have all gone downhill in subtle but unmistakable ways since we attended.
     
    Sorry to hear that. A friend of mine in Hyde Park has established a pattern of sending each of his four kids to Summit until HS, then to Walnut Hills--for financial reasons, pretty much. They seem satisfied with it, although I guess that doesn't mean it hasn't gone downhill.

    Globalists care little for local institutions. Even Ivies are local nowadays.
     
    Maybe I misunderstand you, but I've lately spent a certain amount of time at Harvard for example, and it's pretty solidly globe-homo these days--certainly more so than it was in the 1980s. Anyway, it's of course very true that Globalists care little for local institutions.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  18. Geoege’s notion, that the majority of white kids attend private high schools, is one of the most outlandish things I have ever heard. How can it possibly be true? Is there any data?

    This sounds like the beginnngs of yet another alt-right gossip-go-round, which begins with a made-up statement that everyone haplessly assumes as true, and then expounds upon, creating layers upon layers of bullshit extrapolation from the void, while the Democrats just keep winning in the background, having based their every action around correctly interpreted facts.

    So somebody please, source it. I would love to see data that this is true. Even an Asian private school majority is difficult for me to believe. I must be living under a rock, for this to be true.

    • Agree: Alden
  19. @Jonathan Mason
    So it looks like people who are outstandingly talented will succeed in both public schools and private schools, but that those who come from wealthier families are more likely to have attended private high schools.

    However having been extremely successful in their various high schools, most of these people will have been eligible for scholarships at elite universities.

    Who is the last person to hold the presidency or cabinet office who did not go to college?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @black sea, @Anonymouse, @George, @Altai, @AceDeuce

    It was once common for lawyers to enter the law business by apprenticeship, aka reading law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_law

    The last supreme court justice with no credentials beyond a Catholic HS.

    At 14, Byrnes left St. Patrick’s Catholic School to work in a law office, and became a court stenographer. Notably, he transcribed the 1903 trial of South Carolina Lieutenant Governor James H. Tillman (nephew of Senator and former governor “Pitchfork Ben” Tillman), for murdering a newspaper editor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_F._Byrnes

    • Replies: @Anon
    @George

    The Sephardic Jews of Spain were in Spain before the Muslims were in Spain, and many more of them went to the New world than old school spanish muslims.

  20. Great research, though it leaves me also wanting to know if they generally attended elite colleges or if there’s some diversity there.

    Neera Tanden at OMB is one name that stuck out even at the bottom of the list — hasn’t she made several iSteve appearances already for various crazy-lefty pronouncements? She’s also pretty hot for a swampy bureaucrat, but sadly the kind of lib-nuts you would not want to mess with.

  21. I think as well, at this level they’ll have been groomed to accept the Davos man cant. You simply won’t progress in politics if you entered it after 1985 without having accepted this and you’re unlikely to have maintained yourself or got very far unless you’ve been in politics since before the Thatcher/Regan revolution and or are a genuine political outlier activist like Bernie Sanders.

    It’s more what is the education and class of the people around them which sets the tone. They’ll learn to assimilate to it or be iced out. But generally, I think lots of people (Particularly conservatives, which is why people tend to hate conservatives and why they’re so bad at taking advantage of the current moment despite having it handed to them on a silver plate, the left has just abandoned the working class in a financial crisis created by Reganomics) have it in them to feel contempt to those socially inferior to them and when you put them in a position where they are or feel themselves to be socially superior, they revel in it.

    All those Jewish children of immigrants grew impertinent at rich WASPs but have learned contempt for those below like nobodies business and replicated exactly what they hated the WASPs for. All that had to change was their circumstance.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Altai


    Particularly conservatives... have it in them to feel contempt to those socially inferior to them
     
    Doesn't strike me as a thing. I could list many counter-examples: conservative religions are big on everyone being equal all the time.

    Weren't the old time snobbish WASPs the social liberals of their day?
  22. @Jonathan Mason
    So it looks like people who are outstandingly talented will succeed in both public schools and private schools, but that those who come from wealthier families are more likely to have attended private high schools.

    However having been extremely successful in their various high schools, most of these people will have been eligible for scholarships at elite universities.

    Who is the last person to hold the presidency or cabinet office who did not go to college?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @black sea, @Anonymouse, @George, @Altai, @AceDeuce

    It depends on what you want to be successful at. A crendtialised technical field or being the ‘founder’ or ‘co-founder’ of some entity or an investment banker. One needs the social connections to other rich kids the other doesn’t. One guy I went to school with who was a genuine psychopath, (He had absolutely no empathy for anyone or anything) he wasn’t stupid but was a pretty bad student. His father though worked at Deutsche and so he got a nice internship with them, not sure if he blew it but there is no chance somebody with such poor credentials without the social connections he had through his father would have got that.

    And going to a bad school won’t badly hurt everyone but can impact or lower the performance of lots of people. Remember, you’re not testing for intelligence, you’re testing for the thing you’ve using as a proxy, going to a competitive or highly disciplined school will influence people and their efforts that has little to do with who they are at core as a person.

    • Replies: @Znzn
    @Altai

    I do not think that the WASPs had half of the contempt for the lower class that the new meritocratic elite has.

  23. On the topic of Anthony Blinken, a tale in two parts.

    Refugees for thee but not for me. His talk with Grover for the consumption of children was during the ‘refugee’ crisis in Europe in 2015/2016, the same year he gave his talk at AIPAC.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Altai

    The puppet on the right is amazingly lifelike

    , @Jack D
    @Altai


    Refugees for thee but not for me.
     
    What are you talking about? The entire population of Israel (except for the Arabs) consists mainly of people who were refugees from one place or another.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Muggles

  24. Assuming he went to school in England, Church of England high schools are publicly funded and free, and supposedly non-selective, academically.

    The C of E is a couple of decades behind the Episcopalians in terms of being run exclusively by lesbian bishops with short cropped grey hair and rainbow mitres.

  25. Hispanic Jewishness. I noticed many Hispanics, like Guzman & AOC, are claiming a vague Jewish ancestry which I interpret to mean a vague Iberian Moorish ancestry. I noticed they do not mention a vague Muslim or North African ancestry.

    That’s because they have Jewish, not Arab, ancestry. About 15-20% of Spanish settlers in Mexico were “nuevos cristianos” or marranos (i.e., of Jewish descent). The number was higher in Puerto Rico.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ben tillman

    Sources? This sounds very high. There may have been isolated settlements with a high % of crypto-Jews but I doubt that overall immigration was ever that high.

    , @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @ben tillman

    In the case of Mexico, what is the cut-off (i.e.--how do we discern historically) between a Spanish "settler" and a Spanish conquistador/looter?

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @George
    @ben tillman

    I don't doubt the Jewish presence in Spain, and the Jewish immigration to South America from many other nations. Or that many South Americans could trace their ancestry to some Jews. But I doubt they have a clear knowledge of their ancestry. For example Spain had large migrations of Phoenicians and Romans, which they leave out. Germanic groups that, dare I say, invaded the Roman Empire and ended up ruling Spain. They are choosing what plausible ancestors they want to highlight mostly based on what is fashionable IMO.

    Replies: @JMcG, @ben tillman

  26. @Altai
    @Jonathan Mason

    It depends on what you want to be successful at. A crendtialised technical field or being the 'founder' or 'co-founder' of some entity or an investment banker. One needs the social connections to other rich kids the other doesn't. One guy I went to school with who was a genuine psychopath, (He had absolutely no empathy for anyone or anything) he wasn't stupid but was a pretty bad student. His father though worked at Deutsche and so he got a nice internship with them, not sure if he blew it but there is no chance somebody with such poor credentials without the social connections he had through his father would have got that.

    And going to a bad school won't badly hurt everyone but can impact or lower the performance of lots of people. Remember, you're not testing for intelligence, you're testing for the thing you've using as a proxy, going to a competitive or highly disciplined school will influence people and their efforts that has little to do with who they are at core as a person.

    Replies: @Znzn

    I do not think that the WASPs had half of the contempt for the lower class that the new meritocratic elite has.

  27. Back in the day before affirmative action if you were from a nice neighborhood, the public school would have be very good. Most of Biden’s picks are over fifty. Many are even older. So there really is nothing to see here. What would be more interesting is to see how many of these cabinet nominees chose to send their kids to private school vs the public ones.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Old and Grumpy

    50 year olds were born in 1970 and would have been in high school in the late 1980s, well after many public schools had been destroyed.

    The best thing about private catholic Lutheran episcopal schools is local networking and family connections. But it’s only worthwhile if you stay in town. Moving from the Midwest or east coast to Florida Texas etc cuts the connections.

    Every once in a while I run into a St Paul’s Milton Andover Chaplin Miss Porter’s Exeter St Tim’s type person in California and I’m the only person who’s heard of those schools. I remember once one of those country club rich witch women was sneering at the rest of us and bragging her daughter was at St Tim’s. I was the only one who ever heard of St Tim’s The others were huh?

    The Bay Area Asians and Silicon Valley upper level parents are really into private schools. They’re good schools but just good for local connections.

    How to succeed in post 1968 America. Check the black box in every application and form including medical. Check the black box on your children’s kindergarten enrollment form. Or do a legal name change to a common Hispanic one.

    Or give the kids the Asian spouse’s name. Wright resume goes into the trash. Wong gets hired.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

  28. Hispanic Jewishness. I noticed many Hispanics, like Guzman & AOC, are claiming a vague Jewish ancestry which I interpret to mean a vague Iberian Moorish ancestry. I noticed they do not mention a vague Muslim or North African ancestry.

    Hispanics like to claim Sephardic Jewish ancestry for more or less the same reason (and using more or less the same type of weak evidence) as many white Americans like to claim American Indian ancestry (sort of ironic in that Hispanics already HAVE the Amerindian ancestry). It makes you a little bit more exotic – you are not just the usual Indian/African/Spanish Catholic blend as every other Latino. Plus Jews are clever (just like Indians are brave) so it’s not a bad thing to claim. Claiming imaginary black or N. African Muslim ancestry hasn’t been popular up among anyone until now but since being black is now wonderful it’s bound to expand beyond just Rachel Dolezal.

    By “same” I mean “high cheekbones” type claims that are based on family legends (which are rarely accurate – even if they contain some germ of truth they are bad garbled 99% of the time in the intergenerational game of telephone) – “my grandmother used to light candles every Friday night [a Jewish custom] but we never knew why.” There were in fact a number of Marranos (Jewish converts to Catholicism who continued to practice as Jews in secret) who immigrated to the New World where perhaps the Inquisition was less active. But there couldn’t have been that many, just as there weren’t enough American Indians to go around to provide every white American with a Cherokee warrior great grandpa.

    Also remember we are talking about something that happened 500 years ago. Maybe some families did retain knowledge that they had Jewish ancestors but that knowledge tends to get lost over time. Also if you had one Jewish ancestor several hundred years ago that makes you 1/1024th Jewish or something like that, with the other 99.99% of your DNA being not Jewish. Most people (including me) have no knowledge of their ancestors going back beyond say their great grandparents. I have zero idea (although I can guess) of who my ancestors were or what they were doing in 1800 let alone 1500.

    What really happened to the Jews of Spain after 1492 was very interesting – in some ways it parallels what happened to the Jews in the Soviet Union. The Jews of Spain were given the choice of either leaving or if they wanted to stay they had to convert to Catholicism. A substantial % chose conversion. Within a generation, many “conversos” had risen to prominent positions in Spanish life. This lead to a lot of envy by Spaniards with deeper Catholic roots and envy led to persecution. Were the “conversos’ REALLY converted or were they secretly still Jewish. Maybe a little torture would reveal the truth?

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @Jack D


    Hispanics like to claim Sephardic Jewish ancestry for more or less the same reason
     
    "When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong ...

    Osama bin Laden.

    , @kaganovitch
    @Jack D

    The Jews of Spain were given the choice of either leaving or if they wanted to stay they had to convert to Catholicism. A substantial % chose conversion. Within a generation, many “conversos” had risen to prominent positions in Spanish life.

    In general , most of those who chose conversion rather than exile, were people who had already achieved prominent positions in Spanish life. I.E. their life was so good they couldn't bear to uproot it. Much of the Inquisition's pursuit of Conversos was motivated by avarice; there was great wealth to expropriate. To be sure several career paths, primarily a Church career, were not open to Jews before their conversion, but their quick rise in the Church is a tribute to their connections and wealth more than their innate ability. You didn't have a whole lot of children of schusters and schneiders becoming Church prelates in Spain, Whereas in Russia many Jews of modest backgrounds were very successful. Of course social mobility in the 16th century was not the same as the 20th century, but I think the contrast is valid -mutatis mutandis- nevertheless.

    Replies: @Jack D

  29. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Speaking of looking at the world through high school eyes, has anyone else noticed the past week’s spate of fashion and hair stories focused on the Ladies of the Inauguration?

    I haven’t gone looking for these, but Google has been pushing them into my passive news feed one after another.

    The trend has been interesting. The initial stories highlighted Amanda Gorman, as Steve noted earlier. Here’s an example from Allure:


    While her poetic language became instantly immortalized across social media, it wasn't the only thing that caught people's attention. Folks on Twitter were almost as mesmerized by her glowing makeup and cool, oversized headband.
     
    I also saw articles on Mrs Biden -- ah, I mean Doktajill Biden, as I gather she’s called -- and her outfit.

    I even saw an article comparing poor Kamala’s outfit to the one Lisa Simpson wore in an episode back in the 90s (poor Kamala just does not seem to be one of the popular girls).

    But in the past couple of days I have been blessed with several stories reminding me of the true order of things. For example:

    Michelle Obama's Hair Won The 2021 Inauguration

    And another:

    Michelle Obama's stylist explained the meaning behind her inauguration outfit: 'She has taken a look at the rule book and turned the page'

    Key quotation from Michelle’s hairdresser:


    She leads, she inspires, and she slays.
     
    One other interesting note from that same article. It had been reported that all the Inauguration Ladies might have called each other the night before to coordinate outfits, because, like, they were all wearing purple? But think again, commoner:

    "That's a cute story," [Michelle’s hairdresser] said, "but it wasn't the intention."
     
    I think we’re seeing the opening salvos in the battle for who’s going to be -- or remain -- Washington DC’s Number One Woman.
     

    Replies: @Known Fact, @The Last Real Calvinist

    Dr Jill tried to wrest back the spotlight with that absurd photo-op — gracing the used and abused National Guard troops with her eminent presence plus a few meager baskets of cookies.

  30. What would be very interesting (but harder to find out,) is who got IB v. AP coursework.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @anon


    What would be very interesting (but harder to find out,) is who got IB v. AP coursework.
     
    Which is better? More rigorous? I've heard IB has a writing concentration, but how rigorous is that? Are black kids actually forced to learn grammar and style? IB has always seemed like a Reed College Jr. flakey-bakey setup, while AP is more just harder-than-normal high school classes.

    Replies: @James O'Meara

  31. @ben tillman

    Hispanic Jewishness. I noticed many Hispanics, like Guzman & AOC, are claiming a vague Jewish ancestry which I interpret to mean a vague Iberian Moorish ancestry. I noticed they do not mention a vague Muslim or North African ancestry.
     
    That's because they have Jewish, not Arab, ancestry. About 15-20% of Spanish settlers in Mexico were "nuevos cristianos" or marranos (i.e., of Jewish descent). The number was higher in Puerto Rico.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @George

    Sources? This sounds very high. There may have been isolated settlements with a high % of crypto-Jews but I doubt that overall immigration was ever that high.

  32. @Altai
    On the topic of Anthony Blinken, a tale in two parts.

    https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1331159077397929985

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUxKsG5YrPE

    Refugees for thee but not for me. His talk with Grover for the consumption of children was during the 'refugee' crisis in Europe in 2015/2016, the same year he gave his talk at AIPAC.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Jack D

    The puppet on the right is amazingly lifelike

  33. Class as What Kind of High School You Attend

    On that principle I am of a different social class from my father, my mother, my wife, and my daughter.

  34. Saying that going to private school is a marker of class is true, but you can make it a bit more specific.

    It is usually a marker of being relatively wealthy and living in a place with very poor public schools. It generally means that their parents were movers and shakers in NYC or Chicago or wherever.

    There are a lot of upper class individuals out in the suburbs or rural areas that use public schools because there isn’t really any problem with the local schools, and so there isn’t much point spending the money. In fact the population density might be too low to even support private schools.

    However, those folks tend to be upper class because they have a specific valuable skill, not because they are connected apparatchiks. It’s a very different set of people.

    This is why often graduates of these schools (Dalton, Sidwell Friends, etc.) are much more clueless about the reality of their ‘native’ city than people that don’t even live there.

    Going forward, I think demographics is going to make good public schools disappear completely and pretty much all elites will go to private schools, proles will homeschool.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @SimpleSong


    It is usually a marker of being relatively wealthy and living in a place with very poor public schools.
     
    Not necessarily. The township where I live has public schools that are considered to be among the best in the state (although nowadays the heavily Asian schools in the more distant suburbs get more National Merit scholars and such) but 40% of the students in the township go to private schools (this includes both religious and secular ones). For secular schools, sometimes it's a family tradition, sometimes it's a status symbol (I'm so rich that I can afford private school for my kids even though the public schools are great), sometimes the parents are so rich that private school tuition is just not a big expense in the scheme of things, some people value the slightly more rigorous and traditional education you get in a private school. There's no one single answer as to why people do it.

    It's basically the same phenomenon as public vs. private universities. On paper, there appears to be no reason why you wouldn't send your kid to Berkeley for $11K per year instead of Cal Tech for $55K per year and yet people do it.

    , @guest007
    @SimpleSong

    Good public schools are connected with property values. A public high school with high test scores increases the value of the housing. As Steve as written many times, Elizabeth Warren explained this in her book: The Two Income Trap." What has always been amazing is that no conservative an bother to actually read the books that liberals write. If more conservatives did read liberals and learned their thesis points, conservatives could help their own arguments and positions.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

  35. Anon[258] • Disclaimer says:

    Private schools need to be outlawed immediately. Its an unfair advantage for the wealthy and an unfair disadvantage for those who cant afford it. A level playing field is whats needed. Let the real cream rise to the top. No exceptions and no schooling overseas. They wanted diversity here, dont let them escape it.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anon

    Could be why that’s why some of the Spanish settler families never married Indians or Anglo’s for 400 500 years. Catholic fish on Friday along with blessing the candles and a pretty cloth covering the bread. Lots of people do Hanukkah and Christmas and a Seder and Easter eggs.

    I read the local Jewish newsletter. Keep up with the enemy. It wasn’t southwestern Hispanics who thought they were secret Jews. It was American Jews “ discovering secret Jews in the southwest”. Around the time American Jews discovered the Ethiopian Jews. Everything the American jews do is for fundraising. At one time the American jews discovered secret Jews in Afghanistan and Mongolia Nothing came out of it. They were raising money to save them and bring them to Israel.

    OT There was a movie on Turner Classic today. swords in the desert. Palestine 1947. A group of European Polish German looking types are smuggled to a secret military training camp Palestine where they will actually train to fight to establish the British for Israel. The Jews had to fight the Americans weren’t doing the fighting for them.

    Eventually the British hero sided with the illegal immigrant Jews. The only people are the British occupiers and illegal invading Jews. Not a word or sight of any Palestinian. An empty land for a people with no land propaganda. The movie theme was that the only people in Palestine were British occupiers. Who wanted to keep the Jews out because of anti Semitism and cruelty.

    , @Alden
    @Anon

    May you regress to age 5 and spend 13 years in a 95 percent black public school staffed with black teachers and administrators.

    First and foremost, since 1968 affirmative action discrimination against Whites has been the law. It is viciously and rigorously enforced in the private sector as well as government. The most intelligent Whites cannot, BY LAW rise to the top. So private school and a top prestige college education doesn’t help Whites at all.

    The main reason for private schools is a refuge for White asian and Hispanic kids fleeing 13 years of verbal and physical abuse by blacks.

  36. Steve thanks for collating the diversity of the new cabinet. Few places will provide an identity politics scoreboard. It is good to know which demographic groups punched above their weight class.

    Regarding the cabinet —

    Which demographic differences are entitled to “diversity” celebrations and which ones are problematic demographics which shall be ignored?

    Are we to believe that those secret skills owned by Blacks and LGBT+ work, but the skills deployed by Jews or Catholics are impotent?

    Blacks and LGBT+ are inherently different from whites and straights, but don’t worry about too much Catholic and Jewish diversity?

    Even I, a nominal Catholic, am embarrassed by the excessive share of diverse influence that the Holy Roman Empire has in Biden’s cabinet.

    We should virtually march to demand that some of the Catholic members of the cabinet convert to a Protestant sect.

    To achieve ‘equity’ of course.

    No justice — no peace! Silence is violence!

  37. @Altai
    I think as well, at this level they'll have been groomed to accept the Davos man cant. You simply won't progress in politics if you entered it after 1985 without having accepted this and you're unlikely to have maintained yourself or got very far unless you've been in politics since before the Thatcher/Regan revolution and or are a genuine political outlier activist like Bernie Sanders.

    It's more what is the education and class of the people around them which sets the tone. They'll learn to assimilate to it or be iced out. But generally, I think lots of people (Particularly conservatives, which is why people tend to hate conservatives and why they're so bad at taking advantage of the current moment despite having it handed to them on a silver plate, the left has just abandoned the working class in a financial crisis created by Reganomics) have it in them to feel contempt to those socially inferior to them and when you put them in a position where they are or feel themselves to be socially superior, they revel in it.

    All those Jewish children of immigrants grew impertinent at rich WASPs but have learned contempt for those below like nobodies business and replicated exactly what they hated the WASPs for. All that had to change was their circumstance.

    Replies: @bomag

    Particularly conservatives… have it in them to feel contempt to those socially inferior to them

    Doesn’t strike me as a thing. I could list many counter-examples: conservative religions are big on everyone being equal all the time.

    Weren’t the old time snobbish WASPs the social liberals of their day?

  38. Speaking of appointments, there was speculation here as to which ethnic or interest group would get the nod for Kamala’s Senate replacement. And I had missed hearing that the winner is … Latinxos! Alex Padilla, Newsom’s secretary of state. (I have no idea if he’s a twofer with some unique sexual orientation or maybe one of those Hispanic Jews that do seem much more common lately)

  39. @SimpleSong
    Saying that going to private school is a marker of class is true, but you can make it a bit more specific.

    It is usually a marker of being relatively wealthy and living in a place with very poor public schools. It generally means that their parents were movers and shakers in NYC or Chicago or wherever.

    There are a lot of upper class individuals out in the suburbs or rural areas that use public schools because there isn't really any problem with the local schools, and so there isn't much point spending the money. In fact the population density might be too low to even support private schools.

    However, those folks tend to be upper class because they have a specific valuable skill, not because they are connected apparatchiks. It's a very different set of people.

    This is why often graduates of these schools (Dalton, Sidwell Friends, etc.) are much more clueless about the reality of their 'native' city than people that don't even live there.

    Going forward, I think demographics is going to make good public schools disappear completely and pretty much all elites will go to private schools, proles will homeschool.

    Replies: @Jack D, @guest007

    It is usually a marker of being relatively wealthy and living in a place with very poor public schools.

    Not necessarily. The township where I live has public schools that are considered to be among the best in the state (although nowadays the heavily Asian schools in the more distant suburbs get more National Merit scholars and such) but 40% of the students in the township go to private schools (this includes both religious and secular ones). For secular schools, sometimes it’s a family tradition, sometimes it’s a status symbol (I’m so rich that I can afford private school for my kids even though the public schools are great), sometimes the parents are so rich that private school tuition is just not a big expense in the scheme of things, some people value the slightly more rigorous and traditional education you get in a private school. There’s no one single answer as to why people do it.

    It’s basically the same phenomenon as public vs. private universities. On paper, there appears to be no reason why you wouldn’t send your kid to Berkeley for $11K per year instead of Cal Tech for $55K per year and yet people do it.

  40. @Altai
    On the topic of Anthony Blinken, a tale in two parts.

    https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1331159077397929985

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUxKsG5YrPE

    Refugees for thee but not for me. His talk with Grover for the consumption of children was during the 'refugee' crisis in Europe in 2015/2016, the same year he gave his talk at AIPAC.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Jack D

    Refugees for thee but not for me.

    What are you talking about? The entire population of Israel (except for the Arabs) consists mainly of people who were refugees from one place or another.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Jack D

    Let me spell it out for you: BLACK. As in Africans. Jewish hypocrisy in matters of Africans is staggering. Jews won't eat their own dogfood. Lecture on refugees?

    Israel must take in 10 million Somalis.

    Or shut up in the moral lectures. It's like Bill Clinton in the need for chastity and the evils of promiscuity.

    Replies: @Anonymouse

    , @Muggles
    @Jack D


    The entire population of Israel (except for the Arabs) consists mainly of people who were refugees from one place or another.
     
    Well, that depends on how far back you go. Sure Jews supposedly had to leave Egypt, though evidence for that is nonexistent in the Egyptian archaeology/writings.

    Jews living in (now) Israel before say 1948 weren't refugees either.

    As for Arabs, there is considerable evidence that most of the Palestinians now living there are descendants of the original Jewish inhabitants, who chose to stay. Most converted when the Arabs invaded. Muslims at the time respected Jews but non Muslims had to pay a special tax.

    Over time most of the original Jews became Muslims. Some of course left but it is a myth that the Romans forced more than a tiny number to actually leave.

    When you go back far enough, many places now are inhabited by people who were once refugees. America for instance. Many refugees from Europe were the original settlers. Israel has no special claim.

    Also, the Ethiopian Jews have a decent historical case for being Jewish and the High Rabbinical Court has ruled on that, so that's why they are now there.

    Replies: @Alden

  41. @ben tillman

    Hispanic Jewishness. I noticed many Hispanics, like Guzman & AOC, are claiming a vague Jewish ancestry which I interpret to mean a vague Iberian Moorish ancestry. I noticed they do not mention a vague Muslim or North African ancestry.
     
    That's because they have Jewish, not Arab, ancestry. About 15-20% of Spanish settlers in Mexico were "nuevos cristianos" or marranos (i.e., of Jewish descent). The number was higher in Puerto Rico.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @George

    In the case of Mexico, what is the cut-off (i.e.–how do we discern historically) between a Spanish “settler” and a Spanish conquistador/looter?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I'm referring to anyone who got there before 1700.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

  42. @Desiderius
    @slumber_j

    Cincinnati Publics (especially the “good” schools) have all gone downhill in subtle but unmistakable ways since we attended. They were top of the top then (we regularly outscored all the privates in test competitions/National Merit Scholars and the like). No more not close.

    Little to do with NAMs either. Globalists care little for local institutions. Even Ivies are local nowadays.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    Cincinnati Publics (especially the “good” schools) have all gone downhill in subtle but unmistakable ways since we attended.

    Sorry to hear that. A friend of mine in Hyde Park has established a pattern of sending each of his four kids to Summit until HS, then to Walnut Hills–for financial reasons, pretty much. They seem satisfied with it, although I guess that doesn’t mean it hasn’t gone downhill.

    Globalists care little for local institutions. Even Ivies are local nowadays.

    Maybe I misunderstand you, but I’ve lately spent a certain amount of time at Harvard for example, and it’s pretty solidly globe-homo these days–certainly more so than it was in the 1980s. Anyway, it’s of course very true that Globalists care little for local institutions.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @slumber_j

    Walnut isn't suburban. My boys will go there if nothing changes.

    Post-progressive is the way to go. Con Inc. continues spiraling downward.

    As for Harvard that's exactly what I mean. Making it identical institution #bazillion to go woke is pretty much the last thing one would do who cares about it as one does one's community or its value as an institution.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  43. @SimpleSong
    Saying that going to private school is a marker of class is true, but you can make it a bit more specific.

    It is usually a marker of being relatively wealthy and living in a place with very poor public schools. It generally means that their parents were movers and shakers in NYC or Chicago or wherever.

    There are a lot of upper class individuals out in the suburbs or rural areas that use public schools because there isn't really any problem with the local schools, and so there isn't much point spending the money. In fact the population density might be too low to even support private schools.

    However, those folks tend to be upper class because they have a specific valuable skill, not because they are connected apparatchiks. It's a very different set of people.

    This is why often graduates of these schools (Dalton, Sidwell Friends, etc.) are much more clueless about the reality of their 'native' city than people that don't even live there.

    Going forward, I think demographics is going to make good public schools disappear completely and pretty much all elites will go to private schools, proles will homeschool.

    Replies: @Jack D, @guest007

    Good public schools are connected with property values. A public high school with high test scores increases the value of the housing. As Steve as written many times, Elizabeth Warren explained this in her book: The Two Income Trap.” What has always been amazing is that no conservative an bother to actually read the books that liberals write. If more conservatives did read liberals and learned their thesis points, conservatives could help their own arguments and positions.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @guest007

    Government should not be in the business of increasing property values (i.e. picking winners and losers).

    For every not totally crappy public school, in a wealthy neighborhood, that boosts property values therein, there exits 20X that number of totally crappy schools elsewhere that do nothing for property values (except to reduce them).

    Poor people have to pay high sales taxes and send their kids to totally crappy, often physically dangerous schools so that rich people can send their kids to exclusive schools without having to pay tuition for the privilege.

    You’re a monster.

    Replies: @guest007

  44. @Jack D
    @Altai


    Refugees for thee but not for me.
     
    What are you talking about? The entire population of Israel (except for the Arabs) consists mainly of people who were refugees from one place or another.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Muggles

    Let me spell it out for you: BLACK. As in Africans. Jewish hypocrisy in matters of Africans is staggering. Jews won’t eat their own dogfood. Lecture on refugees?

    Israel must take in 10 million Somalis.

    Or shut up in the moral lectures. It’s like Bill Clinton in the need for chastity and the evils of promiscuity.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Whiskey

    You're misinformed or just venting your jew hate.

    Israel took in Vietnamese boat people back in the day. And they brought in >100,000 Ethiopian so-called Falasha jews after the rabbis decided that they were ritually jewish. They are Africans and they are black.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @HammerJack

  45. @slumber_j
    @Desiderius


    Cincinnati Publics (especially the “good” schools) have all gone downhill in subtle but unmistakable ways since we attended.
     
    Sorry to hear that. A friend of mine in Hyde Park has established a pattern of sending each of his four kids to Summit until HS, then to Walnut Hills--for financial reasons, pretty much. They seem satisfied with it, although I guess that doesn't mean it hasn't gone downhill.

    Globalists care little for local institutions. Even Ivies are local nowadays.
     
    Maybe I misunderstand you, but I've lately spent a certain amount of time at Harvard for example, and it's pretty solidly globe-homo these days--certainly more so than it was in the 1980s. Anyway, it's of course very true that Globalists care little for local institutions.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Walnut isn’t suburban. My boys will go there if nothing changes.

    Post-progressive is the way to go. Con Inc. continues spiraling downward.

    As for Harvard that’s exactly what I mean. Making it identical institution #bazillion to go woke is pretty much the last thing one would do who cares about it as one does one’s community or its value as an institution.

    • Thanks: slumber_j
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Desiderius

    I see where I was ambiguous. By Cincinnati Publics I meant public schools in the general area (i.e. suburban schools). CPS schools other than Walnut haven't been top shelf since the 50s.

  46. @Desiderius
    @slumber_j

    Walnut isn't suburban. My boys will go there if nothing changes.

    Post-progressive is the way to go. Con Inc. continues spiraling downward.

    As for Harvard that's exactly what I mean. Making it identical institution #bazillion to go woke is pretty much the last thing one would do who cares about it as one does one's community or its value as an institution.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    I see where I was ambiguous. By Cincinnati Publics I meant public schools in the general area (i.e. suburban schools). CPS schools other than Walnut haven’t been top shelf since the 50s.

  47. I don’t know how this affects the analysis but in much of the Northeastern U.S., Catholic School is de rigueur and unusual or exceptional (particularly 40 years ago or so) for Catholics at all income levels. Catholics sending their children to parochial school is more or less expected where offered and a few decades ago it was fully supported by parish collections. It was (and to a lesser extent still is) a parallel school system not reserved for particularly academically gifted or wealthy students, and so not a particularly useful proxy for income or class.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    No longer true, Alec. At least not in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. The Catholic schools in the suburbs are generally not competitive qualitatively with the public schools, always with some exceptions. With the decline in religious vocations, tuitions have risen dramatically. A single student in a K-8 archdiocesan school pays over 4K a year and in high school right around 10k.
    I don’t expect the system as it is now to exist for more than another 20 years or so.
    The archdiocese seems to hope that vouchers will eventually be approved, but as soon as blacks in significant numbers start showing up, the Catholic schools will have lost their last distinguishing characteristic and be finished.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @Alden
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    If it’s a parish school, the Catholics succeeded in getting half the tuition as a tax deduction. That helps. You can set up an educational trust foundation make tax deductible donations to the foundation. So you save money on taxes. And the foundation pays the tuition. It needs a high income to work and most people don’t have a high income. The rich get richer. The poor get public school.

    The downfall of the catholic school system is a tragedy. Extensive network easily affordable accepted non Catholics if there’s openings real viable nation wide alternative to public school.

    Any kind of vouchers or government subsidy would destroy the system.

    The catholic parish schools in Los Angeles seem to be thriving. Hispanic parents love them. Tuition must be low. On the other hand, the kids welfare supports the family. Parents earnings are for cars toys sending back to Mexico and tuition. The Armenian Catholics have their schools too. Never just Saint somebody. Always Saint Somebody Armenian school

    My solution for private school payments.

    Private school tuition, whether 70K at Andover or 5K at Saint somebody should be 100 percent tax deductible. Add 10K a year dependent child tax deduction. Only the very rich with children would pay taxes. And every White child could escape the gulag.

  48. @Whiskey
    @Jack D

    Let me spell it out for you: BLACK. As in Africans. Jewish hypocrisy in matters of Africans is staggering. Jews won't eat their own dogfood. Lecture on refugees?

    Israel must take in 10 million Somalis.

    Or shut up in the moral lectures. It's like Bill Clinton in the need for chastity and the evils of promiscuity.

    Replies: @Anonymouse

    You’re misinformed or just venting your jew hate.

    Israel took in Vietnamese boat people back in the day. And they brought in >100,000 Ethiopian so-called Falasha jews after the rabbis decided that they were ritually jewish. They are Africans and they are black.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Anonymouse


    they brought in >100,000 Ethiopian so-called Falasha jews
     
    A good start. Now take 9.9 million more. You don't want to be racist, do you?
    , @HammerJack
    @Anonymouse

    https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/hundreds-of-ethiopian-jews-receive-warm-welcome-in-israel/

    The lede is buried, naturally.

  49. South Asians selected to be in the White House seem more likely to attend public school. I tried to check on these people, usually I could find no mention of their high school, but when one was mentioned it was public.

    20 Indian-Americans Nominated For Key Roles In Biden-Harris Administration
    https://www.ndtv.com/indians-abroad/20-indian-americans-nominated-for-key-roles-in-biden-harris-administration-2353700

  50. 1. Dalton for Blinken immediately raised a question and the answer seems to be that he had left before Epstein arrived as a teacher. He would have known William Barr’s father as principal though.

    2. I understood the different between cal tech and berkeley is not the price (only a handful of foreign students and the already wealthy would pay the full sticker price I expect), but attrition in the early years. To stay in tech majors at cal there is huge competition in the big classes, whereas private schools would try harder to get students through to graduation.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon55uu

    Caltech was a rare private college that used to have high attrition.

    Berkeley, a public college, had high attrition, but that has fallen.

    , @Hibernian
    @Anon55uu


    To stay in tech majors at cal there is huge competition in the big classes, whereas private schools would try harder to get students through to graduation.
     
    That kind of difference, between elite private schools versus all other schools, tends to be true as a general rule.
  51. @J.Ross
    @Jonathan Mason

    Truman, who was already considered a bit slow by his colleagues, although Johnson arguably never went to anything most people would consider a "real" college.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Southwest Texas State Teacher’s College.

  52. Sec of Energy (Jennifer Granholm – WHITE-CATHOLIC (Scandinavian + Irish)) Public

    She was born in Canada. How many of the others were born outside the US? They’re in the line of succession.

    One Cabinet member is always absent from mass gatherings, such as the inauguration or State of the Union, for this very reason. I guess it won’t be Jennifer.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    One Cabinet member is always absent from mass gatherings, such as the inauguration or State of the Union, for this very reason. I guess it won’t be Jennifer.

    Why are you referring to a 61-year-old Cabinet nominee and former governor by her first name? Do you know her personally?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  53. @Jack D

    Hispanic Jewishness. I noticed many Hispanics, like Guzman & AOC, are claiming a vague Jewish ancestry which I interpret to mean a vague Iberian Moorish ancestry. I noticed they do not mention a vague Muslim or North African ancestry.
     
    Hispanics like to claim Sephardic Jewish ancestry for more or less the same reason (and using more or less the same type of weak evidence) as many white Americans like to claim American Indian ancestry (sort of ironic in that Hispanics already HAVE the Amerindian ancestry). It makes you a little bit more exotic - you are not just the usual Indian/African/Spanish Catholic blend as every other Latino. Plus Jews are clever (just like Indians are brave) so it's not a bad thing to claim. Claiming imaginary black or N. African Muslim ancestry hasn't been popular up among anyone until now but since being black is now wonderful it's bound to expand beyond just Rachel Dolezal.

    By "same" I mean "high cheekbones" type claims that are based on family legends (which are rarely accurate - even if they contain some germ of truth they are bad garbled 99% of the time in the intergenerational game of telephone) - "my grandmother used to light candles every Friday night [a Jewish custom] but we never knew why." There were in fact a number of Marranos (Jewish converts to Catholicism who continued to practice as Jews in secret) who immigrated to the New World where perhaps the Inquisition was less active. But there couldn't have been that many, just as there weren't enough American Indians to go around to provide every white American with a Cherokee warrior great grandpa.

    Also remember we are talking about something that happened 500 years ago. Maybe some families did retain knowledge that they had Jewish ancestors but that knowledge tends to get lost over time. Also if you had one Jewish ancestor several hundred years ago that makes you 1/1024th Jewish or something like that, with the other 99.99% of your DNA being not Jewish. Most people (including me) have no knowledge of their ancestors going back beyond say their great grandparents. I have zero idea (although I can guess) of who my ancestors were or what they were doing in 1800 let alone 1500.

    What really happened to the Jews of Spain after 1492 was very interesting - in some ways it parallels what happened to the Jews in the Soviet Union. The Jews of Spain were given the choice of either leaving or if they wanted to stay they had to convert to Catholicism. A substantial % chose conversion. Within a generation, many "conversos" had risen to prominent positions in Spanish life. This lead to a lot of envy by Spaniards with deeper Catholic roots and envy led to persecution. Were the "conversos' REALLY converted or were they secretly still Jewish. Maybe a little torture would reveal the truth?

    Replies: @Daniel H, @kaganovitch

    Hispanics like to claim Sephardic Jewish ancestry for more or less the same reason

    “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong …

    Osama bin Laden.

    • Agree: Alden
  54. @ben tillman

    Hispanic Jewishness. I noticed many Hispanics, like Guzman & AOC, are claiming a vague Jewish ancestry which I interpret to mean a vague Iberian Moorish ancestry. I noticed they do not mention a vague Muslim or North African ancestry.
     
    That's because they have Jewish, not Arab, ancestry. About 15-20% of Spanish settlers in Mexico were "nuevos cristianos" or marranos (i.e., of Jewish descent). The number was higher in Puerto Rico.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jim Bob Lassiter, @George

    I don’t doubt the Jewish presence in Spain, and the Jewish immigration to South America from many other nations. Or that many South Americans could trace their ancestry to some Jews. But I doubt they have a clear knowledge of their ancestry. For example Spain had large migrations of Phoenicians and Romans, which they leave out. Germanic groups that, dare I say, invaded the Roman Empire and ended up ruling Spain. They are choosing what plausible ancestors they want to highlight mostly based on what is fashionable IMO.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @George

    I bet this wasn’t done much under Franco!

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @ben tillman
    @George

    There are lots of Mexicans who are visibly Jewish. I knew a marrana who looked just like a Tenenbaum I knew from Long Island. Even had the same medical profile. She reported that her family had been intramarrying for as long as anyone could remember. She recounted how another lawyer (named Weinstein) had coaxed her to "Admit it -- you're one of us!"

  55. @guest007
    @SimpleSong

    Good public schools are connected with property values. A public high school with high test scores increases the value of the housing. As Steve as written many times, Elizabeth Warren explained this in her book: The Two Income Trap." What has always been amazing is that no conservative an bother to actually read the books that liberals write. If more conservatives did read liberals and learned their thesis points, conservatives could help their own arguments and positions.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    Government should not be in the business of increasing property values (i.e. picking winners and losers).

    For every not totally crappy public school, in a wealthy neighborhood, that boosts property values therein, there exits 20X that number of totally crappy schools elsewhere that do nothing for property values (except to reduce them).

    Poor people have to pay high sales taxes and send their kids to totally crappy, often physically dangerous schools so that rich people can send their kids to exclusive schools without having to pay tuition for the privilege.

    You’re a monster.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Abolish_public_education

    It is not the government that pushes for good schools. It is the resident of the town/city where the voters residents can organized themselves to demand and create good schools. Those schools are good because the families in those communities are more stable, more demanding of their children, and expect more from the schools.

    However, until everyone understands that education is Darwinian and performance is modeled on an S-Curve then nothing will change.

  56. @Redman
    @slumber_j

    The main reason about 1/2 of Westchester residents pay such high property taxes is to get access to good public schools. And “good” is defined as “not near POCs.”

    That’s more of an issue than the prep versus public school divide in America.

    Replies: @ex-banker, @Dr. Dre

    And then there are those of us who bought houses in towns without many NAMs and ended up sending our kids to private schools anyway to get away from the Asians…

  57. I went to a good, midpack suburban high school. I managed to get into an elite New England university. I found that I knew more and could think better than my classmates who had attended fancy prep schools. Picasso famously said that he had to learn to paint people with two eyes and one nose before he could paint people with one eye and two noses. My public high school was superb at teaching the two-eyes-one-nose things. This was a long time ago, and from what I read, my suburban high school would be teaching a woke, “refreshed”curriculum now.

  58. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    I don't know how this affects the analysis but in much of the Northeastern U.S., Catholic School is de rigueur and unusual or exceptional (particularly 40 years ago or so) for Catholics at all income levels. Catholics sending their children to parochial school is more or less expected where offered and a few decades ago it was fully supported by parish collections. It was (and to a lesser extent still is) a parallel school system not reserved for particularly academically gifted or wealthy students, and so not a particularly useful proxy for income or class.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Alden

    No longer true, Alec. At least not in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. The Catholic schools in the suburbs are generally not competitive qualitatively with the public schools, always with some exceptions. With the decline in religious vocations, tuitions have risen dramatically. A single student in a K-8 archdiocesan school pays over 4K a year and in high school right around 10k.
    I don’t expect the system as it is now to exist for more than another 20 years or so.
    The archdiocese seems to hope that vouchers will eventually be approved, but as soon as blacks in significant numbers start showing up, the Catholic schools will have lost their last distinguishing characteristic and be finished.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @JMcG

    The key word being suburbs. Where the public schools are already good. In the city, Catholic schools provide an alternative to working class families who would otherwise have to move out of the city because they don't dare send their kids to the public schools. Even if they are not all white anymore (they aren't) they are still able to maintain some semblance of order in the Catholic schools.

    The Church is not exactly rolling in dough anymore, what with all the sex abuse settlements they have paid and the decline in church attendance. They have been closing schools and parishes left and right, especially as many of these facilities were already underutilized:

    https://whyy.org/articles/archdiocese-of-philadelphia-to-close-two-high-schools-in-2021/

    These two schools were already running at 40% of capacity.

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @JMcG

    Sadly this is correct. I was educated through the eighth grade in a Philadelphia Archdiocesan school before going on to a private Catholic High School. My grade school was permanently shuttered maybe 15 years ago - it happened to be the same grade school my parents attended back when there was no tuition charged for parishioners. (In my day there was a sliding scale of tuition which diminished for each child enrolled).

    FWIW, I think the weakness of the system was exposed with suburbinization in the 1970s-1990s, when people fled to the collar Counties and the economic burden of the higher school taxes and Catholic School tuition became cost prohibitive. Catholic exiles from the Cities ran up against powerful teachers unions, who ran campaigns objecting at every turn to any kind of credit against tuition in exchange for the large net savings inuring to school districts as a consequence of directing a significant proportion of the population into Catholic Schools. The teachers' unions ultimately prevailed in that fight without any compromise.

    Replies: @JMcG

  59. @Jack D

    Hispanic Jewishness. I noticed many Hispanics, like Guzman & AOC, are claiming a vague Jewish ancestry which I interpret to mean a vague Iberian Moorish ancestry. I noticed they do not mention a vague Muslim or North African ancestry.
     
    Hispanics like to claim Sephardic Jewish ancestry for more or less the same reason (and using more or less the same type of weak evidence) as many white Americans like to claim American Indian ancestry (sort of ironic in that Hispanics already HAVE the Amerindian ancestry). It makes you a little bit more exotic - you are not just the usual Indian/African/Spanish Catholic blend as every other Latino. Plus Jews are clever (just like Indians are brave) so it's not a bad thing to claim. Claiming imaginary black or N. African Muslim ancestry hasn't been popular up among anyone until now but since being black is now wonderful it's bound to expand beyond just Rachel Dolezal.

    By "same" I mean "high cheekbones" type claims that are based on family legends (which are rarely accurate - even if they contain some germ of truth they are bad garbled 99% of the time in the intergenerational game of telephone) - "my grandmother used to light candles every Friday night [a Jewish custom] but we never knew why." There were in fact a number of Marranos (Jewish converts to Catholicism who continued to practice as Jews in secret) who immigrated to the New World where perhaps the Inquisition was less active. But there couldn't have been that many, just as there weren't enough American Indians to go around to provide every white American with a Cherokee warrior great grandpa.

    Also remember we are talking about something that happened 500 years ago. Maybe some families did retain knowledge that they had Jewish ancestors but that knowledge tends to get lost over time. Also if you had one Jewish ancestor several hundred years ago that makes you 1/1024th Jewish or something like that, with the other 99.99% of your DNA being not Jewish. Most people (including me) have no knowledge of their ancestors going back beyond say their great grandparents. I have zero idea (although I can guess) of who my ancestors were or what they were doing in 1800 let alone 1500.

    What really happened to the Jews of Spain after 1492 was very interesting - in some ways it parallels what happened to the Jews in the Soviet Union. The Jews of Spain were given the choice of either leaving or if they wanted to stay they had to convert to Catholicism. A substantial % chose conversion. Within a generation, many "conversos" had risen to prominent positions in Spanish life. This lead to a lot of envy by Spaniards with deeper Catholic roots and envy led to persecution. Were the "conversos' REALLY converted or were they secretly still Jewish. Maybe a little torture would reveal the truth?

    Replies: @Daniel H, @kaganovitch

    The Jews of Spain were given the choice of either leaving or if they wanted to stay they had to convert to Catholicism. A substantial % chose conversion. Within a generation, many “conversos” had risen to prominent positions in Spanish life.

    In general , most of those who chose conversion rather than exile, were people who had already achieved prominent positions in Spanish life. I.E. their life was so good they couldn’t bear to uproot it. Much of the Inquisition’s pursuit of Conversos was motivated by avarice; there was great wealth to expropriate. To be sure several career paths, primarily a Church career, were not open to Jews before their conversion, but their quick rise in the Church is a tribute to their connections and wealth more than their innate ability. You didn’t have a whole lot of children of schusters and schneiders becoming Church prelates in Spain, Whereas in Russia many Jews of modest backgrounds were very successful. Of course social mobility in the 16th century was not the same as the 20th century, but I think the contrast is valid -mutatis mutandis- nevertheless.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Sure Spain was closer to what happened in Germany and Austria-Hungary (without the forced conversion). In the early 20th century, people who were doing well and wanted to advance even further, especially in government or the military (e.g. Madeline Albright's parents) would voluntarily convert to Christianity (sort of the Another Dad dream) and maybe change their names. There was a sort of glass ceiling on Jews which you could get past simply by converting. But later when the Nazis came it did them no good.

  60. @Reg Cæsar

    Sec of Energy (Jennifer Granholm – WHITE-CATHOLIC (Scandinavian + Irish)) Public
     
    She was born in Canada. How many of the others were born outside the US? They're in the line of succession.

    One Cabinet member is always absent from mass gatherings, such as the inauguration or State of the Union, for this very reason. I guess it won't be Jennifer.

    Replies: @prosa123

    One Cabinet member is always absent from mass gatherings, such as the inauguration or State of the Union, for this very reason. I guess it won’t be Jennifer.

    Why are you referring to a 61-year-old Cabinet nominee and former governor by her first name? Do you know her personally?

    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @prosa123


    Why are you referring to a 61-year-old Cabinet nominee and former governor by her first name?

     

    61? She's a child!


    https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/171009135718-restricted-100917-senior-aging-democrat-leadership-pelosi-biden-warren-sanders-schumer-super-169.jpg



    https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/https://media.salon.com/2020/12/dianne-feinstein-1210201.jpg
  61. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymouse
    As for Hispanic-Jewish there is this distinction. Among some Hispanics there is a current fad to search for possible Jewish ancestors, Conversos who kept a number of jewish customs. Why did my abuela light candles on Friday evening and mumble a prayer? Then there are real Jewish Hispanics, for example Frida Kahlo whose father was a genuine German Jewish immigrant. Likewise Alejandro Nicholas Mayorkas. His father was a Cuban Jew of Sephardic background who owned and operated a steel wool factory in Havana.His mother was a Romanian Jew whose family escaped the Holocaust and fled to Cuba in the 1940s.

    I must admit I am proud of my race's accomplishments in the face of a hostile world. In my own way I am trying to live up to that model by using the small percentage of those genetic gifts that I inherited.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @anon, @Bizarro World Observer

    Among some Hispanics there is a current fad to search for possible Jewish ancestors, Conversos who kept a number of jewish customs.

    “Fad” is a good word to use in this context, although it’s been around for decades. Any investigation usually turns up with nada, though, as with African Kangs. Somehow no matter how diligent the research, an actual Jewish converso never quite turns up…or once in a while if they do it’s actually a Moro. Oops.

    Then there are real Jewish Hispanics, for example Frida Kahlo whose father was a genuine German Jewish immigrant.

    Frida was also a great admirer of Stalin as well. Not much of an artist, although it’s crimespeak to say so. Seriously overrated thanks to good PR by leftards for the last 50 years.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @anon

    Frida’s German Jewish father was a communist who migrated to Mexico to foment revolution. Married an Indian woman for the same reason American communists like the Dunham’s encouraged their daughters to marry black men.

    To produce a class of militant mulatto communists to lead a communist revolution.

    Jewish left wing men nowadays are either gay M-F trannies or marry Asian women. Jewish left wing women don’t have children. Except lesbians when they’re 45 and can write a book about the sufferings of fertility treatments buying some one else’s eggs and how they feel marginalized and oppressed because Jew lesbians are always oppressed and marginalized.

    Replies: @Jack D

  62. @Anonymouse
    @Anonymouse

    As a footnote, I take exception to the jew haters on this forum who assert that the jews hate everybody else. As that is patently false - just ask one, me for example or my gentile wife - those remarks are a classic example of projection. The jew hater hates hates hates the jew. That is a given. So he accuses the jew of hating him with an inveterate hatred going back to Pharaonic times.

    Replies: @Austin Slater, @Marty

    They hate Jews because they correctly identify individual Jews (or groups of Jews) as big supporters of things they hate (mass immigration, gibs for bleks, gay shit, etc.). The fact that Jews freak out when people like MacDonald calmly point out Jewish involvement in major social movements makes them hate you even more.

  63. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @ben tillman

    In the case of Mexico, what is the cut-off (i.e.--how do we discern historically) between a Spanish "settler" and a Spanish conquistador/looter?

    Replies: @ben tillman

    I’m referring to anyone who got there before 1700.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @ben tillman

    Ergo, Cortez would be a "settler", right?

  64. @The Last Real Calvinist
    Speaking of looking at the world through high school eyes, has anyone else noticed the past week’s spate of fashion and hair stories focused on the Ladies of the Inauguration?

    I haven’t gone looking for these, but Google has been pushing them into my passive news feed one after another.

    The trend has been interesting. The initial stories highlighted Amanda Gorman, as Steve noted earlier. Here’s an example from Allure:


    While her poetic language became instantly immortalized across social media, it wasn't the only thing that caught people's attention. Folks on Twitter were almost as mesmerized by her glowing makeup and cool, oversized headband.
     
    I also saw articles on Mrs Biden -- ah, I mean Doktajill Biden, as I gather she’s called -- and her outfit.

    I even saw an article comparing poor Kamala’s outfit to the one Lisa Simpson wore in an episode back in the 90s (poor Kamala just does not seem to be one of the popular girls).

    But in the past couple of days I have been blessed with several stories reminding me of the true order of things. For example:

    Michelle Obama's Hair Won The 2021 Inauguration

    And another:

    Michelle Obama's stylist explained the meaning behind her inauguration outfit: 'She has taken a look at the rule book and turned the page'

    Key quotation from Michelle’s hairdresser:


    She leads, she inspires, and she slays.
     
    One other interesting note from that same article. It had been reported that all the Inauguration Ladies might have called each other the night before to coordinate outfits, because, like, they were all wearing purple? But think again, commoner:

    "That's a cute story," [Michelle’s hairdresser] said, "but it wasn't the intention."
     
    I think we’re seeing the opening salvos in the battle for who’s going to be -- or remain -- Washington DC’s Number One Woman.
     

    Replies: @Known Fact, @The Last Real Calvinist

    And, right on cue, this morning I wake up to find that Kamala’s publicity team has struck back:

    Kamala Harris’ stylish university photo bears sweet link to her inauguration day outfit

    This incisive article helpfully provides us with some very important facts about Kamala we must never ever ever overlook:

    The 56-year-old politician – who was sworn in at the Capitol in Washington D.C on Wednesday – has been praised for her effortlessly glamorous purple coat and dress ensemble, by American designer Christopher John Rogers.

    . . .

    Harris has become known as one of the more fashionable players in American politics.

    This is more evidence that the highly-anticipated Kamala vs Doktajill vs Michelle Glam Girls catfight is already shaping up nicely.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Jill Biden’s outfit was much prettier and stylish than VP Harris’. What’s the big deal just a nice winter coat in a pretty color gloves maybe a hat and boots if it’s really cold. Every year a gazillion tailored woolen women’s coats in are cranked out

    Of course Melania’s pale blue suit with funnel collar and short jacket was just just the epitome of wonderful. Michelle Obama wore a yellow coat one year, very attractive. And Ms Bush wore a fuzzy white coat once. I loved it.

    A winter coat in a pretty color. BFD

  65. @kaganovitch
    @Jack D

    The Jews of Spain were given the choice of either leaving or if they wanted to stay they had to convert to Catholicism. A substantial % chose conversion. Within a generation, many “conversos” had risen to prominent positions in Spanish life.

    In general , most of those who chose conversion rather than exile, were people who had already achieved prominent positions in Spanish life. I.E. their life was so good they couldn't bear to uproot it. Much of the Inquisition's pursuit of Conversos was motivated by avarice; there was great wealth to expropriate. To be sure several career paths, primarily a Church career, were not open to Jews before their conversion, but their quick rise in the Church is a tribute to their connections and wealth more than their innate ability. You didn't have a whole lot of children of schusters and schneiders becoming Church prelates in Spain, Whereas in Russia many Jews of modest backgrounds were very successful. Of course social mobility in the 16th century was not the same as the 20th century, but I think the contrast is valid -mutatis mutandis- nevertheless.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Sure Spain was closer to what happened in Germany and Austria-Hungary (without the forced conversion). In the early 20th century, people who were doing well and wanted to advance even further, especially in government or the military (e.g. Madeline Albright’s parents) would voluntarily convert to Christianity (sort of the Another Dad dream) and maybe change their names. There was a sort of glass ceiling on Jews which you could get past simply by converting. But later when the Nazis came it did them no good.

  66. @JMcG
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    No longer true, Alec. At least not in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. The Catholic schools in the suburbs are generally not competitive qualitatively with the public schools, always with some exceptions. With the decline in religious vocations, tuitions have risen dramatically. A single student in a K-8 archdiocesan school pays over 4K a year and in high school right around 10k.
    I don’t expect the system as it is now to exist for more than another 20 years or so.
    The archdiocese seems to hope that vouchers will eventually be approved, but as soon as blacks in significant numbers start showing up, the Catholic schools will have lost their last distinguishing characteristic and be finished.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The key word being suburbs. Where the public schools are already good. In the city, Catholic schools provide an alternative to working class families who would otherwise have to move out of the city because they don’t dare send their kids to the public schools. Even if they are not all white anymore (they aren’t) they are still able to maintain some semblance of order in the Catholic schools.

    The Church is not exactly rolling in dough anymore, what with all the sex abuse settlements they have paid and the decline in church attendance. They have been closing schools and parishes left and right, especially as many of these facilities were already underutilized:

    https://whyy.org/articles/archdiocese-of-philadelphia-to-close-two-high-schools-in-2021/

    These two schools were already running at 40% of capacity.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Jack D

    The Catholic schools in Philadelphia admit many black kids at discounted rates. This has, shall we say, made them rather less appealing to the white Catholics who should be their natural customers. How many blue collar Catholics can be left in the city any longer? There aren’t too many white collar Catholics who are real believers anymore. Certainly not to the point of paying 10k a year for high school.

  67. @George
    @Jonathan Mason

    It was once common for lawyers to enter the law business by apprenticeship, aka reading law.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_law

    The last supreme court justice with no credentials beyond a Catholic HS.

    At 14, Byrnes left St. Patrick's Catholic School to work in a law office, and became a court stenographer. Notably, he transcribed the 1903 trial of South Carolina Lieutenant Governor James H. Tillman (nephew of Senator and former governor "Pitchfork Ben" Tillman), for murdering a newspaper editor.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_F._Byrnes

    Replies: @Anon

    The Sephardic Jews of Spain were in Spain before the Muslims were in Spain, and many more of them went to the New world than old school spanish muslims.

  68. @The Plutonium Kid
    Not a single white protestant. Why does this not surprise me?

    Replies: @Wilkey

    Pete Buttigieg is the sole white Protestant (Episcopalian), but was raised a Catholic, and likely switched due to Episcopalianism’s greater tolerance of homosexuality or for some other reason entirely unrelated to doctrinal matters.

    Buttigieg is such a dorky type that he probably made up a list when he was 14 (just 25 years ago) of what he needed to do to become president and has been dutifully carrying around the list and checking off boxes ever since: win a Rhodes Scholarship (like then-president Bill Clinton), serve in the military (like George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole), and attend church (like pretty much every president). No requirement to be sincere.

    The lack of white Protestants and enormous number of Jews in Biden’s Cabinet is what makes me think Biden isn’t really making many of the decisions. Whatever his other lengthy list of weaknesses, Biden doesn’t strike me as the kind of person carrying around a lengthy list of grudges. Hatred of white Protestants (especially WASPs) is more a hatred carried around by a certain other group of people, not guys like Joe Biden.

    Of course Jews only hate WASPs for the same reason that other people hate Jews: their power and success and control of institutions. Power which, of course, WASPs no longer have to any great degree.

  69. @ben tillman
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I'm referring to anyone who got there before 1700.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter

    Ergo, Cortez would be a “settler”, right?

  70. @ginger bread man

    Hispanic Jewishness. I noticed many Hispanics, like Guzman & AOC, are claiming a vague Jewish ancestry which I interpret to mean a vague Iberian Moorish ancestry. I noticed they do not mention a vague Muslim or North African ancestry
     
    .

    They’re called Crypto Jews or Anusim, which means they are descendants of Jews forced to convert to Christianity in the 15th century. There’s a well documented history of Jews hiding their identity and preserving it for up to 10 generations in Latin America. No such parallel exists to my knowledge for Arab or Muslim converts to Christianity.

    Replies: @Muggles

    No such parallel exists to my knowledge for Arab or Muslim converts to Christianity.

    Such conversion in Muslim governed nations is usually punishable by death (‘apostasy’). There is a big hubbub every time Pakistan tries to execute a convert. For some reason Christian missionaries try to convert there.

    I’m not sure where this practice comes from, though I assume it is from the Koran (Qaran, etc.). There probably have been Christian countries/kingdoms in the past where this was also the law (middle ages and earlier), becoming a pagan or Muslim. Spain likely.

    So Muslim converts to other religions better move, pronto. In nations like India with huge Muslim populations (the most of any country) this isn’t the law but usually conversions are socially forbidden if not illegal. Do so and move is good advice.

    I don’t think the few Jewish run nations ever had a death penalty for conversion. Maybe in the Old Testament times.

    Muslims seem to be the main faith that still tries to enforce this now. Saudi Arabia also.

  71. @Anon55uu
    1. Dalton for Blinken immediately raised a question and the answer seems to be that he had left before Epstein arrived as a teacher. He would have known William Barr’s father as principal though.

    2. I understood the different between cal tech and berkeley is not the price (only a handful of foreign students and the already wealthy would pay the full sticker price I expect), but attrition in the early years. To stay in tech majors at cal there is huge competition in the big classes, whereas private schools would try harder to get students through to graduation.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian

    Caltech was a rare private college that used to have high attrition.

    Berkeley, a public college, had high attrition, but that has fallen.

  72. @Jack D
    @Altai


    Refugees for thee but not for me.
     
    What are you talking about? The entire population of Israel (except for the Arabs) consists mainly of people who were refugees from one place or another.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Muggles

    The entire population of Israel (except for the Arabs) consists mainly of people who were refugees from one place or another.

    Well, that depends on how far back you go. Sure Jews supposedly had to leave Egypt, though evidence for that is nonexistent in the Egyptian archaeology/writings.

    Jews living in (now) Israel before say 1948 weren’t refugees either.

    As for Arabs, there is considerable evidence that most of the Palestinians now living there are descendants of the original Jewish inhabitants, who chose to stay. Most converted when the Arabs invaded. Muslims at the time respected Jews but non Muslims had to pay a special tax.

    Over time most of the original Jews became Muslims. Some of course left but it is a myth that the Romans forced more than a tiny number to actually leave.

    When you go back far enough, many places now are inhabited by people who were once refugees. America for instance. Many refugees from Europe were the original settlers. Israel has no special claim.

    Also, the Ethiopian Jews have a decent historical case for being Jewish and the High Rabbinical Court has ruled on that, so that’s why they are now there.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Muggles

    A lot of Mizrahi jews are refugees in California because the European Zionists treat them as badly as the European Zionists treat the Muslim and Christian Palestinians. Real estate tax marriage death and birth records going back hundreds of years and the Russian Zionists made life so miserable for them they left.

    If you think Ron UNZ and others are anti Zionist you should hear the Mizrahi about the Zionists invaders. “ We were better off under the British and Turks”

    Not Algerian Iraqi or other Arab country Jews, but Mizrahi with a 2 thousand year heritage.

  73. @anon
    @Anonymouse

    Among some Hispanics there is a current fad to search for possible Jewish ancestors, Conversos who kept a number of jewish customs.

    "Fad" is a good word to use in this context, although it's been around for decades. Any investigation usually turns up with nada, though, as with African Kangs. Somehow no matter how diligent the research, an actual Jewish converso never quite turns up...or once in a while if they do it's actually a Moro. Oops.

    Then there are real Jewish Hispanics, for example Frida Kahlo whose father was a genuine German Jewish immigrant.

    Frida was also a great admirer of Stalin as well. Not much of an artist, although it's crimespeak to say so. Seriously overrated thanks to good PR by leftards for the last 50 years.

    Replies: @Alden

    Frida’s German Jewish father was a communist who migrated to Mexico to foment revolution. Married an Indian woman for the same reason American communists like the Dunham’s encouraged their daughters to marry black men.

    To produce a class of militant mulatto communists to lead a communist revolution.

    Jewish left wing men nowadays are either gay M-F trannies or marry Asian women. Jewish left wing women don’t have children. Except lesbians when they’re 45 and can write a book about the sufferings of fertility treatments buying some one else’s eggs and how they feel marginalized and oppressed because Jew lesbians are always oppressed and marginalized.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Alden

    Kahlo, Sr. was Lutheran, not Jewish, though Frida used to say that he was Jewish. Frida was represented in the US by Julien Levy Gallery in New York City, so that was probably a smart thing to say.

    Kahlo Sr. was not a professional (or even an amateur) revolutionary - he was a professional photographer.

    Kahlo Sr. did not marry Frida's mom in order to foment word revolution. He married her because she was kinda cute and nice German girls were in short supply in Mexico:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Guillermo_Kahlo_-_Matilde_Calder%C3%B3n_y_Gonz%C3%A1lez_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg

  74. @Muggles
    @Jack D


    The entire population of Israel (except for the Arabs) consists mainly of people who were refugees from one place or another.
     
    Well, that depends on how far back you go. Sure Jews supposedly had to leave Egypt, though evidence for that is nonexistent in the Egyptian archaeology/writings.

    Jews living in (now) Israel before say 1948 weren't refugees either.

    As for Arabs, there is considerable evidence that most of the Palestinians now living there are descendants of the original Jewish inhabitants, who chose to stay. Most converted when the Arabs invaded. Muslims at the time respected Jews but non Muslims had to pay a special tax.

    Over time most of the original Jews became Muslims. Some of course left but it is a myth that the Romans forced more than a tiny number to actually leave.

    When you go back far enough, many places now are inhabited by people who were once refugees. America for instance. Many refugees from Europe were the original settlers. Israel has no special claim.

    Also, the Ethiopian Jews have a decent historical case for being Jewish and the High Rabbinical Court has ruled on that, so that's why they are now there.

    Replies: @Alden

    A lot of Mizrahi jews are refugees in California because the European Zionists treat them as badly as the European Zionists treat the Muslim and Christian Palestinians. Real estate tax marriage death and birth records going back hundreds of years and the Russian Zionists made life so miserable for them they left.

    If you think Ron UNZ and others are anti Zionist you should hear the Mizrahi about the Zionists invaders. “ We were better off under the British and Turks”

    Not Algerian Iraqi or other Arab country Jews, but Mizrahi with a 2 thousand year heritage.

  75. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    And, right on cue, this morning I wake up to find that Kamala's publicity team has struck back:

    Kamala Harris' stylish university photo bears sweet link to her inauguration day outfit

    This incisive article helpfully provides us with some very important facts about Kamala we must never ever ever overlook:

    The 56-year-old politician – who was sworn in at the Capitol in Washington D.C on Wednesday – has been praised for her effortlessly glamorous purple coat and dress ensemble, by American designer Christopher John Rogers.

    . . .

    Harris has become known as one of the more fashionable players in American politics.
     

    This is more evidence that the highly-anticipated Kamala vs Doktajill vs Michelle Glam Girls catfight is already shaping up nicely.

    Replies: @Alden

    Jill Biden’s outfit was much prettier and stylish than VP Harris’. What’s the big deal just a nice winter coat in a pretty color gloves maybe a hat and boots if it’s really cold. Every year a gazillion tailored woolen women’s coats in are cranked out

    Of course Melania’s pale blue suit with funnel collar and short jacket was just just the epitome of wonderful. Michelle Obama wore a yellow coat one year, very attractive. And Ms Bush wore a fuzzy white coat once. I loved it.

    A winter coat in a pretty color. BFD

  76. @prosa123
    @Reg Cæsar

    One Cabinet member is always absent from mass gatherings, such as the inauguration or State of the Union, for this very reason. I guess it won’t be Jennifer.

    Why are you referring to a 61-year-old Cabinet nominee and former governor by her first name? Do you know her personally?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Why are you referring to a 61-year-old Cabinet nominee and former governor by her first name?

    61? She’s a child!

    • LOL: Hibernian
  77. @George
    @ben tillman

    I don't doubt the Jewish presence in Spain, and the Jewish immigration to South America from many other nations. Or that many South Americans could trace their ancestry to some Jews. But I doubt they have a clear knowledge of their ancestry. For example Spain had large migrations of Phoenicians and Romans, which they leave out. Germanic groups that, dare I say, invaded the Roman Empire and ended up ruling Spain. They are choosing what plausible ancestors they want to highlight mostly based on what is fashionable IMO.

    Replies: @JMcG, @ben tillman

    I bet this wasn’t done much under Franco!

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @JMcG

    When Franco learned about the Holocaust he (and likewise the dictator of Dominican Republic) granted Jews not refuge but full citizenship and enfranchisement plus things like loans and housing. FDR didn't even let that one boat in. The people the TV wants you to hate are often, if not just just the epitome of wonderful people, must less bad than they've been made out to be.

  78. @Jack D
    @JMcG

    The key word being suburbs. Where the public schools are already good. In the city, Catholic schools provide an alternative to working class families who would otherwise have to move out of the city because they don't dare send their kids to the public schools. Even if they are not all white anymore (they aren't) they are still able to maintain some semblance of order in the Catholic schools.

    The Church is not exactly rolling in dough anymore, what with all the sex abuse settlements they have paid and the decline in church attendance. They have been closing schools and parishes left and right, especially as many of these facilities were already underutilized:

    https://whyy.org/articles/archdiocese-of-philadelphia-to-close-two-high-schools-in-2021/

    These two schools were already running at 40% of capacity.

    Replies: @JMcG

    The Catholic schools in Philadelphia admit many black kids at discounted rates. This has, shall we say, made them rather less appealing to the white Catholics who should be their natural customers. How many blue collar Catholics can be left in the city any longer? There aren’t too many white collar Catholics who are real believers anymore. Certainly not to the point of paying 10k a year for high school.

  79. @JMcG
    @George

    I bet this wasn’t done much under Franco!

    Replies: @J.Ross

    When Franco learned about the Holocaust he (and likewise the dictator of Dominican Republic) granted Jews not refuge but full citizenship and enfranchisement plus things like loans and housing. FDR didn’t even let that one boat in. The people the TV wants you to hate are often, if not just just the epitome of wonderful people, must less bad than they’ve been made out to be.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  80. @Alden
    @anon

    Frida’s German Jewish father was a communist who migrated to Mexico to foment revolution. Married an Indian woman for the same reason American communists like the Dunham’s encouraged their daughters to marry black men.

    To produce a class of militant mulatto communists to lead a communist revolution.

    Jewish left wing men nowadays are either gay M-F trannies or marry Asian women. Jewish left wing women don’t have children. Except lesbians when they’re 45 and can write a book about the sufferings of fertility treatments buying some one else’s eggs and how they feel marginalized and oppressed because Jew lesbians are always oppressed and marginalized.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Kahlo, Sr. was Lutheran, not Jewish, though Frida used to say that he was Jewish. Frida was represented in the US by Julien Levy Gallery in New York City, so that was probably a smart thing to say.

    Kahlo Sr. was not a professional (or even an amateur) revolutionary – he was a professional photographer.

    Kahlo Sr. did not marry Frida’s mom in order to foment word revolution. He married her because she was kinda cute and nice German girls were in short supply in Mexico:

    • Disagree: Alden
  81. @Anon
    Don't that much about today but Hunter College HS in my day (I did not attend) was an artsier school, more for the type of students who didn't want or couldn't test into Bronx Sci, Brooklyn Tech.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Alden

    Don’t that much about today but Hunter College HS in my day (I did not attend) was an artsier school, more for the type of students who didn’t want or couldn’t test into Bronx Sci, Brooklyn Tech.

    Wrong. Since it’s inception – up until the 1980’s it was restricted to girls – admission to Hunter College high school has been based on a real deal IQ test, not an approximating competitive test. I would guess that the floor IQ for Hunter College HS is about 130.

    • Replies: @George
    @Daniel H

    I think Hunter College HS is created as an employment perk for the university's top tier staff. If you ever wondered why someone with such high credentials would accept such a comparatively low salary offered by CUNY, the salary is just spending money. Job security is provided off the books by tenure. Retirement is a government style defined benefit plan possibly with early retirement. The school's athletic facilities mean they get a top tier gym membership, with pool, squash courts ect. They also get top tier childcare especially if the school has an early childhood development program and teaching program.

    For example: Avril Haines "father is a biochemist and professor emeritus at City College, who helped found the CUNY School of Medicine, where he served as the chair of the biochemistry department."

    Needless to say Hunter College HS is only available to kids who's parents know about it, are able to prepare them for entry interviews and other requirements, and have an IQ greater than 130. That sounds a bit like the children of university professors, CUNY or otherwise. And Martin Shkreli, so it is possible for a 'random' kid to go through the hoops.

    Replies: @Alden

  82. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    What would be very interesting (but harder to find out,) is who got IB v. AP coursework.

    Replies: @Anon

    What would be very interesting (but harder to find out,) is who got IB v. AP coursework.

    Which is better? More rigorous? I’ve heard IB has a writing concentration, but how rigorous is that? Are black kids actually forced to learn grammar and style? IB has always seemed like a Reed College Jr. flakey-bakey setup, while AP is more just harder-than-normal high school classes.

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @Anon

    "I’ve heard IB has a writing concentration, but how rigorous is that? "

    Yeah, writers are real morons.

  83. @Redman
    @slumber_j

    The main reason about 1/2 of Westchester residents pay such high property taxes is to get access to good public schools. And “good” is defined as “not near POCs.”

    That’s more of an issue than the prep versus public school divide in America.

    Replies: @ex-banker, @Dr. Dre

    The Westchester school district that I grew up going to and graduating from almost 60 yrs ago still has small graduating classes — about 100 kids. You walked to school and came home for lunch through elementary school (K-6); Jr-Sr High School you had lunch in the cafeteria. Walked or got driven, drive yourself at 16. There was a small busload of “tuition” kids from an outlying area, not part of the school district. You should have seen the school’s student parking lot, although a neighboring school district boasted a flashier display of automotive pulchritude! Not sure that today’s teens are that interested in cars/getting their licenses etc. It really was like a private school, very similar experience that my children had at their private schools in other states where we lived. It was also very diverse in a good sense — not forced by law. There were incomes at all levels, with some kids coming from single parent home living in a rental and others living in big places. Lots of ethnic groups were represented, with Italians and Jews prominent in my memory, and the old-stock white families mostly attended the local Dutch Reformed Church. A few Asians. Just a couple of blacks. Maybe more came later.

    I say it was diverse in an important way: you saw how there was good/bad features in each “group”; a good percentage of the Jewish kids were not all that smart; the “hoodie” Italian kids had a few bright academically-inclined students, but many of the others were going to hair-dressing school each afternoon a couple of hours before school ended. You saw all types and were not sheltered from these differences, meaning it was hard to make prejudicial statements about people. Everybody observed and learned from each other safely. It was about as ideal an educational system as I have ever seen.

    Lots of Japanese were there in later decades of the 20th c. as NYC had an influx of businessmen from Japan and they needed places to live with commuting possibilities and good schools for their kiddies. A lot of folks who live in the district while their children are in school will move to a less expensive area after graduation, especially as they will need the money required for Ivy League tuition payments!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Dr. Dre

    Is it Hartsdale? At Woodlands Middle/High School, minority enrollment is 91% of the student body and it's over 50% black. The America you grew up in is gone, gone, gone. It no longer exists. You might as well be describing Pompeii or St. Petersburg before the revolution.

  84. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Re: Haines, Wikipedia says this about her:

    Haines was born in Manhattan on August 27, 1969,[3] to Adrian Rappin (née Adrienne Rappaport) and Thomas Haines.[4][5] Her mother was a painter. Haines identifies with her mother’s Jewish faith.

    Has anyone noticed a trend in recent years where the children of elite mixed Christian/Jewish couples seem to disproportionately identify as Jewish? Or where otherwise progressive female types marry Jewish and convert to the husband’s ancestral faith? Seems a tad patriarchal.

    In Haines’ case it doesn’t seem so surprising, as Wikipedia says her (non-Jewish) grandfather abandoned this family early and her father was later removed from his mother by court order. If she didn’t have any family tradition to draw on from her father, then it’s only natural that she get it from her mother. Also her gentile father seems to have grown up in an extremely Jewish milieu.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anonymous


    as Wikipedia says her (non-Jewish) grandfather abandoned this family early and her father was later removed from his mother by court order.
     
    Which wikipedia are you reading? Avril Haines?
  85. @Anonymouse
    @Anonymouse

    As a footnote, I take exception to the jew haters on this forum who assert that the jews hate everybody else. As that is patently false - just ask one, me for example or my gentile wife - those remarks are a classic example of projection. The jew hater hates hates hates the jew. That is a given. So he accuses the jew of hating him with an inveterate hatred going back to Pharaonic times.

    Replies: @Austin Slater, @Marty

    Do you know any Jewish person who has a non-Jew handling his or her money, or, e.g., who is a limited partner in an enterprise whose general partner is not Jewish? Any Jewish woman whose gyno is not a Jew?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Marty

    Yes, yes, and (in my wife's case) yes. People imagine that there is a lot more intra-Jewish solidarity than there really is. Personally I have received a lot more help in my career from non-Jewish friends and acquaintances. OTOH, from my closest blood relatives I have gotten jack shit. YMMV.

    , @Hibernian
    @Marty

    Do you think there might have been a few Jewish investors in the Fidelity Magellan Fund when it was run by Peter Lynch?

    , @Alden
    @Marty

    Not many Jewish Drs left. More women than men but all White Drs are being rapidly replaced with Asians Indians Philippinos.

  86. @Dr. Dre
    @Redman

    The Westchester school district that I grew up going to and graduating from almost 60 yrs ago still has small graduating classes -- about 100 kids. You walked to school and came home for lunch through elementary school (K-6); Jr-Sr High School you had lunch in the cafeteria. Walked or got driven, drive yourself at 16. There was a small busload of "tuition" kids from an outlying area, not part of the school district. You should have seen the school's student parking lot, although a neighboring school district boasted a flashier display of automotive pulchritude! Not sure that today's teens are that interested in cars/getting their licenses etc. It really was like a private school, very similar experience that my children had at their private schools in other states where we lived. It was also very diverse in a good sense -- not forced by law. There were incomes at all levels, with some kids coming from single parent home living in a rental and others living in big places. Lots of ethnic groups were represented, with Italians and Jews prominent in my memory, and the old-stock white families mostly attended the local Dutch Reformed Church. A few Asians. Just a couple of blacks. Maybe more came later.

    I say it was diverse in an important way: you saw how there was good/bad features in each "group"; a good percentage of the Jewish kids were not all that smart; the "hoodie" Italian kids had a few bright academically-inclined students, but many of the others were going to hair-dressing school each afternoon a couple of hours before school ended. You saw all types and were not sheltered from these differences, meaning it was hard to make prejudicial statements about people. Everybody observed and learned from each other safely. It was about as ideal an educational system as I have ever seen.

    Lots of Japanese were there in later decades of the 20th c. as NYC had an influx of businessmen from Japan and they needed places to live with commuting possibilities and good schools for their kiddies. A lot of folks who live in the district while their children are in school will move to a less expensive area after graduation, especially as they will need the money required for Ivy League tuition payments!

    Replies: @Jack D

    Is it Hartsdale? At Woodlands Middle/High School, minority enrollment is 91% of the student body and it’s over 50% black. The America you grew up in is gone, gone, gone. It no longer exists. You might as well be describing Pompeii or St. Petersburg before the revolution.

    • Agree: Alden
  87. @Marty
    @Anonymouse

    Do you know any Jewish person who has a non-Jew handling his or her money, or, e.g., who is a limited partner in an enterprise whose general partner is not Jewish? Any Jewish woman whose gyno is not a Jew?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hibernian, @Alden

    Yes, yes, and (in my wife’s case) yes. People imagine that there is a lot more intra-Jewish solidarity than there really is. Personally I have received a lot more help in my career from non-Jewish friends and acquaintances. OTOH, from my closest blood relatives I have gotten jack shit. YMMV.

  88. @Anonymous
    Re: Haines, Wikipedia says this about her:

    Haines was born in Manhattan on August 27, 1969,[3] to Adrian Rappin (née Adrienne Rappaport) and Thomas Haines.[4][5] Her mother was a painter. Haines identifies with her mother's Jewish faith.

     

    Has anyone noticed a trend in recent years where the children of elite mixed Christian/Jewish couples seem to disproportionately identify as Jewish? Or where otherwise progressive female types marry Jewish and convert to the husband's ancestral faith? Seems a tad patriarchal.

    In Haines' case it doesn't seem so surprising, as Wikipedia says her (non-Jewish) grandfather abandoned this family early and her father was later removed from his mother by court order. If she didn't have any family tradition to draw on from her father, then it's only natural that she get it from her mother. Also her gentile father seems to have grown up in an extremely Jewish milieu.

    Replies: @Jack D

    as Wikipedia says her (non-Jewish) grandfather abandoned this family early and her father was later removed from his mother by court order.

    Which wikipedia are you reading? Avril Haines?

  89. @TGGP
    The one that stands out to me is the Secretary of Education attending a vocational school. People in America often wonder why we don't have much vocational training like Germany.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Alden

    When Mies van der Rohe was tapped to design the Seagram Bldg, we wasn’t licensed in NY, but the Ed. Dept. grandfathered him in, when they determined that his prewar German technical high school degree was the equivalent of an M. Arch.

    Mies set up the arch. school at Illinois Inst. of Tech (ITT); his tireless promoter in the US, Philip Johnson, had a degree in Greek from Harvard (he started in Philosophy but Whitehead told him he was not cut out for it) but after several years promoting modern arch. got a degree from Harvard rather than ITT because Mies, though supposedly his idol, demanded too much… work.

    Johnson lived in his famous Glass House in Connecticut because CT didn’t require a license to practice architecture. Elsewhere he had licensed architects in a given state sign off on his “drawings”.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @James O'Meara

    "Plan stamping" is an ethical violation, but that doesn't prevent it from happening. Engineering and architectural ethics are even less enforced than legal ethics.

  90. @Anon
    @anon


    What would be very interesting (but harder to find out,) is who got IB v. AP coursework.
     
    Which is better? More rigorous? I've heard IB has a writing concentration, but how rigorous is that? Are black kids actually forced to learn grammar and style? IB has always seemed like a Reed College Jr. flakey-bakey setup, while AP is more just harder-than-normal high school classes.

    Replies: @James O'Meara

    “I’ve heard IB has a writing concentration, but how rigorous is that? ”

    Yeah, writers are real morons.

  91. @Daniel H
    @Anon


    Don’t that much about today but Hunter College HS in my day (I did not attend) was an artsier school, more for the type of students who didn’t want or couldn’t test into Bronx Sci, Brooklyn Tech.
     
    Wrong. Since it's inception - up until the 1980's it was restricted to girls - admission to Hunter College high school has been based on a real deal IQ test, not an approximating competitive test. I would guess that the floor IQ for Hunter College HS is about 130.

    Replies: @George

    I think Hunter College HS is created as an employment perk for the university’s top tier staff. If you ever wondered why someone with such high credentials would accept such a comparatively low salary offered by CUNY, the salary is just spending money. Job security is provided off the books by tenure. Retirement is a government style defined benefit plan possibly with early retirement. The school’s athletic facilities mean they get a top tier gym membership, with pool, squash courts ect. They also get top tier childcare especially if the school has an early childhood development program and teaching program.

    For example: Avril Haines “father is a biochemist and professor emeritus at City College, who helped found the CUNY School of Medicine, where he served as the chair of the biochemistry department.”

    Needless to say Hunter College HS is only available to kids who’s parents know about it, are able to prepare them for entry interviews and other requirements, and have an IQ greater than 130. That sounds a bit like the children of university professors, CUNY or otherwise. And Martin Shkreli, so it is possible for a ‘random’ kid to go through the hoops.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @George

    That’s the Hunter Prep of 1960.

    It wasn’t just for city college of NYC profs daughters. Hunter prep really was something before school integration. Hose heels hats instead of loafers and knee socks. But Hunter destroyed itself with integration like the rest of the public schools. And Hunter Prep was prestige only in the NYC area, not nationally like Chapin and Sacred Heart Actress Diane Carroll went there and was always the best dressed totally elegantly dressed girl in the school. Lots of now 80 + year old White Jewish women lawyers and judges. But they were at Hunter Prep in the 1950s.

    Best thing about private schools is you can just sleep and party through college except for 3rd 4th year STEM classes. Except for STEM, even top tier college classes are just repeats for private school grads.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @George

  92. anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    Anon 82, the interesting thing about the IB is that it’s probably the only peek at the outside world that high-school students get. That is, world-standard rights and rule of law instead of US government arbitrary rule.

    For instance, they could get to look at Julian Assange’s arbitrary detention and torture extravaganza from the standpoint of Articles 19 and 16 and CAT Article 1. They could get to look at Trumpites’ momentary public happiness at the Capitol from the standpoint of Article 21 instead of domestic terrorism hysteria. They might get to look at US economic policy from the standpoint of UDHR Article 25.

    They might even be allowed to read the UN Charter and compare it to US propaganda slogans. It’s extremely subversive.

  93. @Abolish_public_education
    @guest007

    Government should not be in the business of increasing property values (i.e. picking winners and losers).

    For every not totally crappy public school, in a wealthy neighborhood, that boosts property values therein, there exits 20X that number of totally crappy schools elsewhere that do nothing for property values (except to reduce them).

    Poor people have to pay high sales taxes and send their kids to totally crappy, often physically dangerous schools so that rich people can send their kids to exclusive schools without having to pay tuition for the privilege.

    You’re a monster.

    Replies: @guest007

    It is not the government that pushes for good schools. It is the resident of the town/city where the voters residents can organized themselves to demand and create good schools. Those schools are good because the families in those communities are more stable, more demanding of their children, and expect more from the schools.

    However, until everyone understands that education is Darwinian and performance is modeled on an S-Curve then nothing will change.

  94. I did a 4 year apprenticeship for construction electrician. I went back to school to get an MBA. Most electricians have more commonsense than the mid management and lawyers I went to grad school with.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    We’re doing data centers now. Some of our electricians are making 20K a month. That includes overtime of course. Same when we refitted the Golden Gate Bridge. It didn’t need refitting at all. But the liberal climate change save the earth a$$holes forced it on the bridge authority.

    I challenge any lawyer to do trigonometry in his her head and rewiring while hanging upside down from a 200 ft tower in 50 degree weather and 8o mile an hour wind.

    Occupational advice. Liberals hate electricians and engineers. But their save the earth destroy fossil fuel crap is a magnificent boon to the electrical industry. I bet even White men electrical engineers will soon be hired instead of affirmative action discriminated against.

    Data centers need refitting about every 10 years. So it looks secure for a 25-30 year olds working life.

  95. @JMcG
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    No longer true, Alec. At least not in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. The Catholic schools in the suburbs are generally not competitive qualitatively with the public schools, always with some exceptions. With the decline in religious vocations, tuitions have risen dramatically. A single student in a K-8 archdiocesan school pays over 4K a year and in high school right around 10k.
    I don’t expect the system as it is now to exist for more than another 20 years or so.
    The archdiocese seems to hope that vouchers will eventually be approved, but as soon as blacks in significant numbers start showing up, the Catholic schools will have lost their last distinguishing characteristic and be finished.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Sadly this is correct. I was educated through the eighth grade in a Philadelphia Archdiocesan school before going on to a private Catholic High School. My grade school was permanently shuttered maybe 15 years ago – it happened to be the same grade school my parents attended back when there was no tuition charged for parishioners. (In my day there was a sliding scale of tuition which diminished for each child enrolled).

    FWIW, I think the weakness of the system was exposed with suburbinization in the 1970s-1990s, when people fled to the collar Counties and the economic burden of the higher school taxes and Catholic School tuition became cost prohibitive. Catholic exiles from the Cities ran up against powerful teachers unions, who ran campaigns objecting at every turn to any kind of credit against tuition in exchange for the large net savings inuring to school districts as a consequence of directing a significant proportion of the population into Catholic Schools. The teachers’ unions ultimately prevailed in that fight without any compromise.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I did twelve with the Archdiocese. My son is on the same path as you, my daughters on similar ones. I’m fairly sure their children won’t have the chance. Good luck and God Bless.

  96. @Anonymouse
    As for Hispanic-Jewish there is this distinction. Among some Hispanics there is a current fad to search for possible Jewish ancestors, Conversos who kept a number of jewish customs. Why did my abuela light candles on Friday evening and mumble a prayer? Then there are real Jewish Hispanics, for example Frida Kahlo whose father was a genuine German Jewish immigrant. Likewise Alejandro Nicholas Mayorkas. His father was a Cuban Jew of Sephardic background who owned and operated a steel wool factory in Havana.His mother was a Romanian Jew whose family escaped the Holocaust and fled to Cuba in the 1940s.

    I must admit I am proud of my race's accomplishments in the face of a hostile world. In my own way I am trying to live up to that model by using the small percentage of those genetic gifts that I inherited.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @anon, @Bizarro World Observer

    In New Mexico, which was settled in the 1500s by Spanish immigrants, a number of those immigrants were in fact “conversos” who had not really converted, and who took the chance to remove themselves from the Inquisition. It wasn’t a very large number, but it did happen, and some of them did in fact retain some of their Jewish customs, despite becoming Catholic along the way.

    That’s not to say that AOC or any of the others have genuine Jewish ancestry. I have no way of knowing.

  97. @Anonymouse
    @Whiskey

    You're misinformed or just venting your jew hate.

    Israel took in Vietnamese boat people back in the day. And they brought in >100,000 Ethiopian so-called Falasha jews after the rabbis decided that they were ritually jewish. They are Africans and they are black.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @HammerJack

    they brought in >100,000 Ethiopian so-called Falasha jews

    A good start. Now take 9.9 million more. You don’t want to be racist, do you?

  98. @TGGP
    The one that stands out to me is the Secretary of Education attending a vocational school. People in America often wonder why we don't have much vocational training like Germany.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Alden

    Because a couple hours a day in a vocational class is a couple hours a day is a couple hours a day not being brainwashed in hate Whitey love gays are you really a different sex classes.

    Actually, it all started when Malcolm X write his autobiography. He claimed his high school counselor advised him to sign up for shop classes so he could be an auto mechanic or union carpenter. Because the construction unions and car repair shop owners hired kids from the high school shop classes.

    Malcolm claimed that insulted him as a barely black man. So the schools abolished the ship classes as racists. All blacks should go to college and law school don cha know?

    As with everything else shop classes are racist.

  99. @Old and Grumpy
    Back in the day before affirmative action if you were from a nice neighborhood, the public school would have be very good. Most of Biden's picks are over fifty. Many are even older. So there really is nothing to see here. What would be more interesting is to see how many of these cabinet nominees chose to send their kids to private school vs the public ones.

    Replies: @Alden

    50 year olds were born in 1970 and would have been in high school in the late 1980s, well after many public schools had been destroyed.

    The best thing about private catholic Lutheran episcopal schools is local networking and family connections. But it’s only worthwhile if you stay in town. Moving from the Midwest or east coast to Florida Texas etc cuts the connections.

    Every once in a while I run into a St Paul’s Milton Andover Chaplin Miss Porter’s Exeter St Tim’s type person in California and I’m the only person who’s heard of those schools. I remember once one of those country club rich witch women was sneering at the rest of us and bragging her daughter was at St Tim’s. I was the only one who ever heard of St Tim’s The others were huh?

    The Bay Area Asians and Silicon Valley upper level parents are really into private schools. They’re good schools but just good for local connections.

    How to succeed in post 1968 America. Check the black box in every application and form including medical. Check the black box on your children’s kindergarten enrollment form. Or do a legal name change to a common Hispanic one.

    Or give the kids the Asian spouse’s name. Wright resume goes into the trash. Wong gets hired.

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @Alden

    My five cousins who went to the schools you mention (in fact, not merely generically) and who then came West in the '70s were precisely fleeing the stereotyping which such schooling inevitably led to back East. So they were made happy by the blank looks which greeted words like "Miss Porters" or "Dobbs Ferry".

    The ones who brag, like the woman you refer to, will be a nouveau of, how shall I put it, one kind or another.

  100. @George
    @Daniel H

    I think Hunter College HS is created as an employment perk for the university's top tier staff. If you ever wondered why someone with such high credentials would accept such a comparatively low salary offered by CUNY, the salary is just spending money. Job security is provided off the books by tenure. Retirement is a government style defined benefit plan possibly with early retirement. The school's athletic facilities mean they get a top tier gym membership, with pool, squash courts ect. They also get top tier childcare especially if the school has an early childhood development program and teaching program.

    For example: Avril Haines "father is a biochemist and professor emeritus at City College, who helped found the CUNY School of Medicine, where he served as the chair of the biochemistry department."

    Needless to say Hunter College HS is only available to kids who's parents know about it, are able to prepare them for entry interviews and other requirements, and have an IQ greater than 130. That sounds a bit like the children of university professors, CUNY or otherwise. And Martin Shkreli, so it is possible for a 'random' kid to go through the hoops.

    Replies: @Alden

    That’s the Hunter Prep of 1960.

    It wasn’t just for city college of NYC profs daughters. Hunter prep really was something before school integration. Hose heels hats instead of loafers and knee socks. But Hunter destroyed itself with integration like the rest of the public schools. And Hunter Prep was prestige only in the NYC area, not nationally like Chapin and Sacred Heart Actress Diane Carroll went there and was always the best dressed totally elegantly dressed girl in the school. Lots of now 80 + year old White Jewish women lawyers and judges. But they were at Hunter Prep in the 1950s.

    Best thing about private schools is you can just sleep and party through college except for 3rd 4th year STEM classes. Except for STEM, even top tier college classes are just repeats for private school grads.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @Alden

    There's Sacred Heart and then there is Marymount just down the road (the road being Fifth Avenue). A cousin on my father's side was at the first; a cousin of my mother's at the second.

    It is only now, as I write this, that I understand why the second was sent to Marymount rather than to Sacred Heart: her father was a partner with Otto Kahn (builder of the mansion which Sacred Heart now occupies) in Kuhn Loeb, those merchant bankers so misunderstood by the less educated of that band of conspiracy theorists with whom I am normally, but not on this point, in hearty agreement. My great uncle will, I now see, have found it deeply offensive to send his daughter to school in a palazzo where he had spent so many lavishly happy evenings, evenings less remarkable for their superb food and drink than for the distinguished company from every civilised corner of the globe, as well as for the always first-class musical soirees which would certainly follow and occasionally even accompany the murmured conversation of the guests, each one chosen to embody one or another of Kahn's many interests, be they historical, philosophical or musical.

    They don't make international bankers of his stamp nowadays.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Alden

    , @George
    @Alden

    "wasn’t just for city college of NYC profs daughters."

    What I was getting at is the University staff created perks like pools, child care and Hunter high school that are available to the entire university or even the public at large. But details like hours available, location, acceptance standards and just the knowledge that it exists make it difficult for many outside the high level staff to take advantage of. So when you see a university prof with fancy credentials earning say $70k a year, their spouse might be on staff at $30, and they get gold standard pensions and benefits plus perks like a fabulous gym membership, including coaching, top tier on sight childcare, the equivalent of private school for their kids that sets them up for future cabinet positions, ect.

  101. @Alden
    @Old and Grumpy

    50 year olds were born in 1970 and would have been in high school in the late 1980s, well after many public schools had been destroyed.

    The best thing about private catholic Lutheran episcopal schools is local networking and family connections. But it’s only worthwhile if you stay in town. Moving from the Midwest or east coast to Florida Texas etc cuts the connections.

    Every once in a while I run into a St Paul’s Milton Andover Chaplin Miss Porter’s Exeter St Tim’s type person in California and I’m the only person who’s heard of those schools. I remember once one of those country club rich witch women was sneering at the rest of us and bragging her daughter was at St Tim’s. I was the only one who ever heard of St Tim’s The others were huh?

    The Bay Area Asians and Silicon Valley upper level parents are really into private schools. They’re good schools but just good for local connections.

    How to succeed in post 1968 America. Check the black box in every application and form including medical. Check the black box on your children’s kindergarten enrollment form. Or do a legal name change to a common Hispanic one.

    Or give the kids the Asian spouse’s name. Wright resume goes into the trash. Wong gets hired.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    My five cousins who went to the schools you mention (in fact, not merely generically) and who then came West in the ’70s were precisely fleeing the stereotyping which such schooling inevitably led to back East. So they were made happy by the blank looks which greeted words like “Miss Porters” or “Dobbs Ferry”.

    The ones who brag, like the woman you refer to, will be a nouveau of, how shall I put it, one kind or another.

  102. (novus ordo) Catholics in prep school are CINOs… even more so the CIA swampster that went to an Anglican one, typical.

    the only ones that went to public school are a Scandinavian (cucked with Nordic-Prot blood), the Mexican ones, and the one single Irish one that doesn’t seem so gay, the one in the VA.

    also, unless “Hispanic Jews” can prove their converso ancestry, take it with a huge grain of salt. many Hispanics in the New World descend from the region of Spain that was Muslim the most, Andalucia (Al-Andalus). so there can be some black/MENA/Jew blood in more Hispanics than we can imagine. that said, the more mixed and/or poor the Hispanic is, the less data their family tree has; so on average these weird black/MENA/Jew percentages are very little to none among many Hispanics, unless in those Hispanic minorities that have such a large percentage of them that it shows phenotypically (i.e. mulatos and zambos, moriscos and Hispanicized Christian Arabs, conversos and Sephardi/ladino Jews).

    that said, do wonder where these Hispanic Jews go to school, they’d probably get picked on hard both at synagogue and the barrio.

    wouldn’t surprise me AOC being a Jew though, the nose and Jewoman attitude is there.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @diconezhardly

    I read Vogue fashion magazine when I was young. Wealthy social climber men like Gutfreund Holtzer and Trump pay Vogue to feature their wives. Ivana Trump was always in Vogue when I read it. I always assumed she was a Jew because of her grandiose display of herself. At least she kept the kids in the background, unlike Ivanka . Look at me look at me I’m Trump’s equal partner in the business.

    Vogue is the Jewish fashion magazine. Bazaar and Elle are for ladies. Vogue has pushed blacks gays and liberal crapology ever since I can remember. Last one I looked at had black M-F freaks as models. Or maybe they were just skinny men in dresses. Vogue often features the gargantuan Williams sisters.

  103. @Alden
    @George

    That’s the Hunter Prep of 1960.

    It wasn’t just for city college of NYC profs daughters. Hunter prep really was something before school integration. Hose heels hats instead of loafers and knee socks. But Hunter destroyed itself with integration like the rest of the public schools. And Hunter Prep was prestige only in the NYC area, not nationally like Chapin and Sacred Heart Actress Diane Carroll went there and was always the best dressed totally elegantly dressed girl in the school. Lots of now 80 + year old White Jewish women lawyers and judges. But they were at Hunter Prep in the 1950s.

    Best thing about private schools is you can just sleep and party through college except for 3rd 4th year STEM classes. Except for STEM, even top tier college classes are just repeats for private school grads.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @George

    There’s Sacred Heart and then there is Marymount just down the road (the road being Fifth Avenue). A cousin on my father’s side was at the first; a cousin of my mother’s at the second.

    It is only now, as I write this, that I understand why the second was sent to Marymount rather than to Sacred Heart: her father was a partner with Otto Kahn (builder of the mansion which Sacred Heart now occupies) in Kuhn Loeb, those merchant bankers so misunderstood by the less educated of that band of conspiracy theorists with whom I am normally, but not on this point, in hearty agreement. My great uncle will, I now see, have found it deeply offensive to send his daughter to school in a palazzo where he had spent so many lavishly happy evenings, evenings less remarkable for their superb food and drink than for the distinguished company from every civilised corner of the globe, as well as for the always first-class musical soirees which would certainly follow and occasionally even accompany the murmured conversation of the guests, each one chosen to embody one or another of Kahn’s many interests, be they historical, philosophical or musical.

    They don’t make international bankers of his stamp nowadays.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Old Palo Altan

    I’m very glad to see you are in good form. One worries when valued commenters are absent for too long.

    , @Alden
    @Old Palo Altan

    You and I move in different circles than most people. That country club rich witch just kept bragging and bragging about St Tim’s 3,00K miles away. She wasn’t even a Jew but nouveau. Never even heard of Crystal Strings in Ca. Heard of Foxcroft but not Madeira it’s so tacky to brag. Wait till the Jewish rich witches ask you right out where you live where you grew up where you went to college where your kids go to school. Then tell them and they are just gob smacked, boulversed astounded.

    Does Sacred Heart Stuart hall Hamlins Miss Porter’s episcopal cathedral prep catholic cathedral prep University grade and high school San Francisco trump Chapin Andover Exeter Milton back east? I don’t think so. Dad went to Exeter. I doubt it did him a bit of good in San Francisco.

    Private schools really only help local networks. Move 3,000 miles away and it’s useless.

    Silicon Valley was developed by the White men Stanford engineers. They were mostly fired in the 1980s and replaced by HI-Bs.

  104. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @JMcG

    Sadly this is correct. I was educated through the eighth grade in a Philadelphia Archdiocesan school before going on to a private Catholic High School. My grade school was permanently shuttered maybe 15 years ago - it happened to be the same grade school my parents attended back when there was no tuition charged for parishioners. (In my day there was a sliding scale of tuition which diminished for each child enrolled).

    FWIW, I think the weakness of the system was exposed with suburbinization in the 1970s-1990s, when people fled to the collar Counties and the economic burden of the higher school taxes and Catholic School tuition became cost prohibitive. Catholic exiles from the Cities ran up against powerful teachers unions, who ran campaigns objecting at every turn to any kind of credit against tuition in exchange for the large net savings inuring to school districts as a consequence of directing a significant proportion of the population into Catholic Schools. The teachers' unions ultimately prevailed in that fight without any compromise.

    Replies: @JMcG

    I did twelve with the Archdiocese. My son is on the same path as you, my daughters on similar ones. I’m fairly sure their children won’t have the chance. Good luck and God Bless.

  105. @Old Palo Altan
    @Alden

    There's Sacred Heart and then there is Marymount just down the road (the road being Fifth Avenue). A cousin on my father's side was at the first; a cousin of my mother's at the second.

    It is only now, as I write this, that I understand why the second was sent to Marymount rather than to Sacred Heart: her father was a partner with Otto Kahn (builder of the mansion which Sacred Heart now occupies) in Kuhn Loeb, those merchant bankers so misunderstood by the less educated of that band of conspiracy theorists with whom I am normally, but not on this point, in hearty agreement. My great uncle will, I now see, have found it deeply offensive to send his daughter to school in a palazzo where he had spent so many lavishly happy evenings, evenings less remarkable for their superb food and drink than for the distinguished company from every civilised corner of the globe, as well as for the always first-class musical soirees which would certainly follow and occasionally even accompany the murmured conversation of the guests, each one chosen to embody one or another of Kahn's many interests, be they historical, philosophical or musical.

    They don't make international bankers of his stamp nowadays.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Alden

    I’m very glad to see you are in good form. One worries when valued commenters are absent for too long.

  106. @Old Palo Altan
    @Alden

    There's Sacred Heart and then there is Marymount just down the road (the road being Fifth Avenue). A cousin on my father's side was at the first; a cousin of my mother's at the second.

    It is only now, as I write this, that I understand why the second was sent to Marymount rather than to Sacred Heart: her father was a partner with Otto Kahn (builder of the mansion which Sacred Heart now occupies) in Kuhn Loeb, those merchant bankers so misunderstood by the less educated of that band of conspiracy theorists with whom I am normally, but not on this point, in hearty agreement. My great uncle will, I now see, have found it deeply offensive to send his daughter to school in a palazzo where he had spent so many lavishly happy evenings, evenings less remarkable for their superb food and drink than for the distinguished company from every civilised corner of the globe, as well as for the always first-class musical soirees which would certainly follow and occasionally even accompany the murmured conversation of the guests, each one chosen to embody one or another of Kahn's many interests, be they historical, philosophical or musical.

    They don't make international bankers of his stamp nowadays.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Alden

    You and I move in different circles than most people. That country club rich witch just kept bragging and bragging about St Tim’s 3,00K miles away. She wasn’t even a Jew but nouveau. Never even heard of Crystal Strings in Ca. Heard of Foxcroft but not Madeira it’s so tacky to brag. Wait till the Jewish rich witches ask you right out where you live where you grew up where you went to college where your kids go to school. Then tell them and they are just gob smacked, boulversed astounded.

    Does Sacred Heart Stuart hall Hamlins Miss Porter’s episcopal cathedral prep catholic cathedral prep University grade and high school San Francisco trump Chapin Andover Exeter Milton back east? I don’t think so. Dad went to Exeter. I doubt it did him a bit of good in San Francisco.

    Private schools really only help local networks. Move 3,000 miles away and it’s useless.

    Silicon Valley was developed by the White men Stanford engineers. They were mostly fired in the 1980s and replaced by HI-Bs.

  107. @Anonymous
    I did a 4 year apprenticeship for construction electrician. I went back to school to get an MBA. Most electricians have more commonsense than the mid management and lawyers I went to grad school with.

    Replies: @Alden

    We’re doing data centers now. Some of our electricians are making 20K a month. That includes overtime of course. Same when we refitted the Golden Gate Bridge. It didn’t need refitting at all. But the liberal climate change save the earth a$$holes forced it on the bridge authority.

    I challenge any lawyer to do trigonometry in his her head and rewiring while hanging upside down from a 200 ft tower in 50 degree weather and 8o mile an hour wind.

    Occupational advice. Liberals hate electricians and engineers. But their save the earth destroy fossil fuel crap is a magnificent boon to the electrical industry. I bet even White men electrical engineers will soon be hired instead of affirmative action discriminated against.

    Data centers need refitting about every 10 years. So it looks secure for a 25-30 year olds working life.

  108. @Anon55uu
    1. Dalton for Blinken immediately raised a question and the answer seems to be that he had left before Epstein arrived as a teacher. He would have known William Barr’s father as principal though.

    2. I understood the different between cal tech and berkeley is not the price (only a handful of foreign students and the already wealthy would pay the full sticker price I expect), but attrition in the early years. To stay in tech majors at cal there is huge competition in the big classes, whereas private schools would try harder to get students through to graduation.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian

    To stay in tech majors at cal there is huge competition in the big classes, whereas private schools would try harder to get students through to graduation.

    That kind of difference, between elite private schools versus all other schools, tends to be true as a general rule.

  109. @Marty
    @Anonymouse

    Do you know any Jewish person who has a non-Jew handling his or her money, or, e.g., who is a limited partner in an enterprise whose general partner is not Jewish? Any Jewish woman whose gyno is not a Jew?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hibernian, @Alden

    Do you think there might have been a few Jewish investors in the Fidelity Magellan Fund when it was run by Peter Lynch?

  110. @James O'Meara
    @TGGP

    When Mies van der Rohe was tapped to design the Seagram Bldg, we wasn't licensed in NY, but the Ed. Dept. grandfathered him in, when they determined that his prewar German technical high school degree was the equivalent of an M. Arch.

    Mies set up the arch. school at Illinois Inst. of Tech (ITT); his tireless promoter in the US, Philip Johnson, had a degree in Greek from Harvard (he started in Philosophy but Whitehead told him he was not cut out for it) but after several years promoting modern arch. got a degree from Harvard rather than ITT because Mies, though supposedly his idol, demanded too much... work.

    Johnson lived in his famous Glass House in Connecticut because CT didn't require a license to practice architecture. Elsewhere he had licensed architects in a given state sign off on his "drawings".

    Replies: @Hibernian

    “Plan stamping” is an ethical violation, but that doesn’t prevent it from happening. Engineering and architectural ethics are even less enforced than legal ethics.

  111. @Jonathan Mason
    So it looks like people who are outstandingly talented will succeed in both public schools and private schools, but that those who come from wealthier families are more likely to have attended private high schools.

    However having been extremely successful in their various high schools, most of these people will have been eligible for scholarships at elite universities.

    Who is the last person to hold the presidency or cabinet office who did not go to college?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @black sea, @Anonymouse, @George, @Altai, @AceDeuce

    Nine presidents did not graduate from college-including a few heavy hitters–Washington, Lincoln, and Grover Cleveland. Several Supreme Court justices, including John Marshall, didn’t either. Many of the most successful and prominent governors and mayors in our history, including several in the 20th Century, didn’t either.

  112. @diconezhardly
    (novus ordo) Catholics in prep school are CINOs... even more so the CIA swampster that went to an Anglican one, typical.

    the only ones that went to public school are a Scandinavian (cucked with Nordic-Prot blood), the Mexican ones, and the one single Irish one that doesn't seem so gay, the one in the VA.

    also, unless "Hispanic Jews" can prove their converso ancestry, take it with a huge grain of salt. many Hispanics in the New World descend from the region of Spain that was Muslim the most, Andalucia (Al-Andalus). so there can be some black/MENA/Jew blood in more Hispanics than we can imagine. that said, the more mixed and/or poor the Hispanic is, the less data their family tree has; so on average these weird black/MENA/Jew percentages are very little to none among many Hispanics, unless in those Hispanic minorities that have such a large percentage of them that it shows phenotypically (i.e. mulatos and zambos, moriscos and Hispanicized Christian Arabs, conversos and Sephardi/ladino Jews).

    that said, do wonder where these Hispanic Jews go to school, they'd probably get picked on hard both at synagogue and the barrio.

    wouldn't surprise me AOC being a Jew though, the nose and Jewoman attitude is there.

    Replies: @Alden

    I read Vogue fashion magazine when I was young. Wealthy social climber men like Gutfreund Holtzer and Trump pay Vogue to feature their wives. Ivana Trump was always in Vogue when I read it. I always assumed she was a Jew because of her grandiose display of herself. At least she kept the kids in the background, unlike Ivanka . Look at me look at me I’m Trump’s equal partner in the business.

    Vogue is the Jewish fashion magazine. Bazaar and Elle are for ladies. Vogue has pushed blacks gays and liberal crapology ever since I can remember. Last one I looked at had black M-F freaks as models. Or maybe they were just skinny men in dresses. Vogue often features the gargantuan Williams sisters.

  113. @Marty
    @Anonymouse

    Do you know any Jewish person who has a non-Jew handling his or her money, or, e.g., who is a limited partner in an enterprise whose general partner is not Jewish? Any Jewish woman whose gyno is not a Jew?

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hibernian, @Alden

    Not many Jewish Drs left. More women than men but all White Drs are being rapidly replaced with Asians Indians Philippinos.

  114. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    I don't know how this affects the analysis but in much of the Northeastern U.S., Catholic School is de rigueur and unusual or exceptional (particularly 40 years ago or so) for Catholics at all income levels. Catholics sending their children to parochial school is more or less expected where offered and a few decades ago it was fully supported by parish collections. It was (and to a lesser extent still is) a parallel school system not reserved for particularly academically gifted or wealthy students, and so not a particularly useful proxy for income or class.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Alden

    If it’s a parish school, the Catholics succeeded in getting half the tuition as a tax deduction. That helps. You can set up an educational trust foundation make tax deductible donations to the foundation. So you save money on taxes. And the foundation pays the tuition. It needs a high income to work and most people don’t have a high income. The rich get richer. The poor get public school.

    The downfall of the catholic school system is a tragedy. Extensive network easily affordable accepted non Catholics if there’s openings real viable nation wide alternative to public school.

    Any kind of vouchers or government subsidy would destroy the system.

    The catholic parish schools in Los Angeles seem to be thriving. Hispanic parents love them. Tuition must be low. On the other hand, the kids welfare supports the family. Parents earnings are for cars toys sending back to Mexico and tuition. The Armenian Catholics have their schools too. Never just Saint somebody. Always Saint Somebody Armenian school

    My solution for private school payments.

    Private school tuition, whether 70K at Andover or 5K at Saint somebody should be 100 percent tax deductible. Add 10K a year dependent child tax deduction. Only the very rich with children would pay taxes. And every White child could escape the gulag.

  115. @Anon
    Private schools need to be outlawed immediately. Its an unfair advantage for the wealthy and an unfair disadvantage for those who cant afford it. A level playing field is whats needed. Let the real cream rise to the top. No exceptions and no schooling overseas. They wanted diversity here, dont let them escape it.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden

    Could be why that’s why some of the Spanish settler families never married Indians or Anglo’s for 400 500 years. Catholic fish on Friday along with blessing the candles and a pretty cloth covering the bread. Lots of people do Hanukkah and Christmas and a Seder and Easter eggs.

    I read the local Jewish newsletter. Keep up with the enemy. It wasn’t southwestern Hispanics who thought they were secret Jews. It was American Jews “ discovering secret Jews in the southwest”. Around the time American Jews discovered the Ethiopian Jews. Everything the American jews do is for fundraising. At one time the American jews discovered secret Jews in Afghanistan and Mongolia Nothing came out of it. They were raising money to save them and bring them to Israel.

    OT There was a movie on Turner Classic today. swords in the desert. Palestine 1947. A group of European Polish German looking types are smuggled to a secret military training camp Palestine where they will actually train to fight to establish the British for Israel. The Jews had to fight the Americans weren’t doing the fighting for them.

    Eventually the British hero sided with the illegal immigrant Jews. The only people are the British occupiers and illegal invading Jews. Not a word or sight of any Palestinian. An empty land for a people with no land propaganda. The movie theme was that the only people in Palestine were British occupiers. Who wanted to keep the Jews out because of anti Semitism and cruelty.

  116. @Anon
    Private schools need to be outlawed immediately. Its an unfair advantage for the wealthy and an unfair disadvantage for those who cant afford it. A level playing field is whats needed. Let the real cream rise to the top. No exceptions and no schooling overseas. They wanted diversity here, dont let them escape it.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden

    May you regress to age 5 and spend 13 years in a 95 percent black public school staffed with black teachers and administrators.

    First and foremost, since 1968 affirmative action discrimination against Whites has been the law. It is viciously and rigorously enforced in the private sector as well as government. The most intelligent Whites cannot, BY LAW rise to the top. So private school and a top prestige college education doesn’t help Whites at all.

    The main reason for private schools is a refuge for White asian and Hispanic kids fleeing 13 years of verbal and physical abuse by blacks.

  117. @Anon
    Don't that much about today but Hunter College HS in my day (I did not attend) was an artsier school, more for the type of students who didn't want or couldn't test into Bronx Sci, Brooklyn Tech.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Alden

    You mean Hunter prep an all girls school

  118. @Alden
    @George

    That’s the Hunter Prep of 1960.

    It wasn’t just for city college of NYC profs daughters. Hunter prep really was something before school integration. Hose heels hats instead of loafers and knee socks. But Hunter destroyed itself with integration like the rest of the public schools. And Hunter Prep was prestige only in the NYC area, not nationally like Chapin and Sacred Heart Actress Diane Carroll went there and was always the best dressed totally elegantly dressed girl in the school. Lots of now 80 + year old White Jewish women lawyers and judges. But they were at Hunter Prep in the 1950s.

    Best thing about private schools is you can just sleep and party through college except for 3rd 4th year STEM classes. Except for STEM, even top tier college classes are just repeats for private school grads.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan, @George

    “wasn’t just for city college of NYC profs daughters.”

    What I was getting at is the University staff created perks like pools, child care and Hunter high school that are available to the entire university or even the public at large. But details like hours available, location, acceptance standards and just the knowledge that it exists make it difficult for many outside the high level staff to take advantage of. So when you see a university prof with fancy credentials earning say $70k a year, their spouse might be on staff at $30, and they get gold standard pensions and benefits plus perks like a fabulous gym membership, including coaching, top tier on sight childcare, the equivalent of private school for their kids that sets them up for future cabinet positions, ect.

  119. @Anonymouse
    @Whiskey

    You're misinformed or just venting your jew hate.

    Israel took in Vietnamese boat people back in the day. And they brought in >100,000 Ethiopian so-called Falasha jews after the rabbis decided that they were ritually jewish. They are Africans and they are black.

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @HammerJack

  120. @George
    @ben tillman

    I don't doubt the Jewish presence in Spain, and the Jewish immigration to South America from many other nations. Or that many South Americans could trace their ancestry to some Jews. But I doubt they have a clear knowledge of their ancestry. For example Spain had large migrations of Phoenicians and Romans, which they leave out. Germanic groups that, dare I say, invaded the Roman Empire and ended up ruling Spain. They are choosing what plausible ancestors they want to highlight mostly based on what is fashionable IMO.

    Replies: @JMcG, @ben tillman

    There are lots of Mexicans who are visibly Jewish. I knew a marrana who looked just like a Tenenbaum I knew from Long Island. Even had the same medical profile. She reported that her family had been intramarrying for as long as anyone could remember. She recounted how another lawyer (named Weinstein) had coaxed her to “Admit it — you’re one of us!”

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