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From the New York Times news section, a pretty vacant story:

C.I.A. Director Issues Warning After Possible Noose Is Found Near Facility

An object was discovered near a secret location in Virginia, in a building that houses businesses and other organizations.

By Julian E. Barnes and Adam Goldman

Julian E. Barnes is a national security reporter based in Washington, covering the intelligence agencies. Before joining The Times in 2018, he wrote about security matters for The Wall Street Journal. @julianbarnes • Facebook

Adam Goldman reports on the F.B.I. and national security from Washington, D.C., and is a two-time Pulitzer Prize winner. He is the coauthor of “Enemies Within: Inside the NYPD’s Secret Spying Unit and bin Laden’s Final Plot Against America.” @adamgoldmanNYT

A rather heavyweight reporting team for a really nothingburger story.

July 18, 2022, 6:51 p.m. ET

The C.I.A. director, William J. Burns, issued a warning to the agency’s work force last week after what appeared to be a noose was found outside a secret facility used by the agency in Virginia, according to people familiar with the matter.

In the message, Mr. Burns said that racism and racist symbols would not be tolerated in the agency.

Questions surround the incident. The object was found near a small agency facility located in a building that houses businesses and other organizations. Some people briefed on the incident said it was not entirely clear that the object was even meant to be a noose, or if whoever placed it there knew that the C.I.A. secretly operated in the building.

Okay!

The incident did not occur at the C.I.A. headquarters in Langley, Va., which is closely guarded. The people familiar with the incident would not identify the location of the secret facility where the object was found.

People interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal C.I.A. communications and an ongoing investigation.

The C.I.A. does not currently have evidence suggesting that an agency employee left the item, or that a foreign intelligence service was involved, according to some of those people briefed on the incident.

Still, the object was disturbing enough that an agency official reported it, prompting the investigation and Mr. Burns’s note.

… The C.I.A. has been working to diversify in recent years.

Then the rest of the article is about how the CIA needs more blacks, or maybe not.

 
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  1. After weeks of intense investigations, and \$7.2 million of tax payers dollars, the CIA discovered it was just a pull handle on a garage door…

    • Agree: Abe, The Wild Geese Howard, bruce county
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Rooster16

    BTW,Lori Lightfoot is bringing NASCAR to Chicago. Bubba was here today,being black. So,when whites are terrorized by youths doing drag races and "donuts" in their souped up cars,is it really a good idea to bring stock car racing to the streets of Our Town? And have some burly blacketty black be the face of racing?

    I like the old way: Negroes Ain't Supposed to Come Around Racing.

  2. My thoughts are

    1. The CIA just admitted they run this place, which means they just lost an asset, though probably not a valuable one.

    2. I’m genuinely not sure whether this is wokeness rotting the Deep State, or, this being the CIA, that’s what they WANT us to think.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @SFG

    The CIA probably has some immunity to wokeness, but then again people thought that about the military until recently.

    Personally I hope they stock up on diversity hires. I suppose incompetent CIA personnel could be bad for the world but generally I think it's good when evil organizations are staffed by clowns.

  3. Every convenience store in America has cameras but this CIA building in Northern Va. doesn’t…….yeah ,I believe that.

    • Agree: Recently Based
  4. I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country. Did they ever figure out that the Soviet Union was about to fall yet?

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Did they ever figure out that the Soviet Union was about to fall yet?
     
    .....right, and they are not figuring out that America is falling apart.
    , @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country.

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in Central America supplied by the CIA. It wasn't instigated by the CIA - they had a readmade corps of willing combatants. The policy wasn't an initiative of the CIA either. It was an initiative of the president's. The insurrection's enemies had been subsidized by a menu of foreign powers when arrayed against the previous government and continued to be when they constituted the government themselves. (The extent to which Nicaragua's gross national income consisted of on-the-books ODA inflow was second to none during the period running from 1980 to 1985).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @SunBakedSuburb, @kaganovitch

    , @Currahee
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No, they are busy finding the 9/11 culprits

    , @Not Raul
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country. Did they ever figure out that the Soviet Union was about to fall yet?
     
    They still haven’t figured out that it fell.

    Emmanuel Todd figured it out in the 1970s.
    , @anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "russians are gonna invade ukraine."
    "look a squirrel!"

  5. Clearly, a worldwide stand-down day-of-diversity-training is in order!

  6. As I understand it, northern Virginia is absolutely rancid with CIA sites. There’s a vast CIA back office industry of creating the pretextual mail, phone and human traffic for these. So this story is basically the expansion of the CIA real estate footprint, populated by staff whose increasingly only Intelligence function is sniffing out Racism, meeting ordinary everyday objects that kinda sorta resemble Evil Nooses, such as garage door pulls or exercise grips. So it is the de-Centralizing de-Intelligence de-Agency. Maybe that’s a good thing.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Almost Missouri


    As I understand it, northern Virginia is absolutely rancid with CIA sites.
     
    And there is a Chick-Fil-A next to almost everyone of those. Coincidence? ;)

    And it’s not just the CIA, there are lots of intelligence community and other USG sites all over the region. Some next to grocery stores, some next to airport hotels, some next to churches, and, yes, some next to gas stations and Chick-Fil-A’s and so on.

    There are also many such sites in other areas of Virginia (ex. Hampton Roads).
    , @Art Deco
    @Almost Missouri

    Supposedly, the CIA has about 20,000 employees. If they're an ordinary government agency, about 3/4 of their workforce consists of field employees (in the federal government, that proportion is usually higher). There are about 2,000,000 working adults in the tract development around DC. I'll wager you there are 2x as many people working for George Mason as there are working for the CIA.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  7. If the members of our sacred race are so traumatized by ‘objects’ that may, or may not, be a noose, then they certainly don’t need to be at the CIA. The CIA manages to foul things up routinely with the snowflakes they have already.

  8. • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Cagey Beast

    Is this satire???

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @OilcanFloyd
    @Cagey Beast

    I couldn't finish that video.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @The Last Real Calvinist

    , @Currahee
    @Cagey Beast

    It's all over, folks!

  9. The weak, disloyal SWPL yuppie types have turned all state power over to vicious lunatics. From BLM to mass castration in schools to crazy male sex fiends in women’s dresses being promoted to admiral, our institutions have been taken over.

    Things will get crazier and more dangerous. Thanks “well behaved” disloyal yuppie boomers.

  10. Spies of enemy nations are currently being instructed in turning shoelaces into makeshift nooses, which have a kryptonite effect on American forces. Iran’s Revolutionary Guard have reportedly shared lace-to-noose methods with the Russians, spurring calls to invade them from leading American military experts based in Tel Aviv.

    • Replies: @Pop Warner
    @TelfoedJohn

    Foreign Intel agencies really have a golden opportunity here. If agents embedded in the US want to determine if an office is a CIA site, they can leave a noose outside of it and wait for the hysterical response. I mean, the CIA could simply ignore such obvious bait, but this is the CIA we're talking about. When was the last time they were competent or actually, well, intelligent?

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @TelfoedJohn

    China need only airdrop millions of nooses, defaced rainbow flags, and mutilated BLM signs, and our military and ruling class will collapse weeping in the fetal position. Then they can waltz in and take over.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @TelfoedJohn

  11. I suppose the agency has some time on its hands after taking down all the Pride flags and stowing them away for next year.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Rob McX

    Huh? Americans don't take down their American, Gadsden, or Rebel flags for 11 months of the year. The Potomac Regime ought to be able fly its flag throughout the year likewise.

    Potomac Regime lets its freak flag fly.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  12. Who’s good at finding nooses where they ain’t,
    And lickety-split filing a complaint?

    F—in’-A man
    Black CIA man

    [MORE]

  13. Anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    Look at how easy it is to get American Intel agencies and journalists chasing their own tails.

    If the Chinese/Russians/Iranians/Syrians/Venezuelans/
    North Koreans did want to attack us, they could pull off about 30 coordinated hate hoaxes in America first to keep us busy against ourselves while they attacked us for real.

  14. @Almost Missouri
    As I understand it, northern Virginia is absolutely rancid with CIA sites. There's a vast CIA back office industry of creating the pretextual mail, phone and human traffic for these. So this story is basically the expansion of the CIA real estate footprint, populated by staff whose increasingly only Intelligence function is sniffing out Racism, meeting ordinary everyday objects that kinda sorta resemble Evil Nooses, such as garage door pulls or exercise grips. So it is the de-Centralizing de-Intelligence de-Agency. Maybe that's a good thing.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Art Deco

    As I understand it, northern Virginia is absolutely rancid with CIA sites.

    And there is a Chick-Fil-A next to almost everyone of those. Coincidence? 😉

    And it’s not just the CIA, there are lots of intelligence community and other USG sites all over the region. Some next to grocery stores, some next to airport hotels, some next to churches, and, yes, some next to gas stations and Chick-Fil-A’s and so on.

    There are also many such sites in other areas of Virginia (ex. Hampton Roads).

    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  15. ¡Madre de Dios*!

    Once Trannies are running the place none of this will be happening.

    * DIOS: Diversity Is Our Strength

    • Replies: @Shafar Nullifidian
    @Mr. Peabody

    It bears repeating...
    The more the diversity, the more the perversity!

  16. An object was discovered near a secret location in Virginia, in a building that houses businesses and other organizations.

    Sounds like Don DeLillo was also an aptly redacted reporter on this story.

    • LOL: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @slumber_j

    "An object was discovered near a secret location"

    In DeLillo, it's an "airborne toxic event," not an object. One of the funniest identifications ever.

    But maybe Donald Barthelme should be called in to consult, on account of that crazy story/prose poem about the blimp that covers all of Manhattan.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpA4XpnnI_U

  17. So what was the noose-like object that was found? Who,what,when, where?

    I would have thought that a memo to all CIA employees reminding them not to bring unauthorized knotted ropes or garrots to work in case they scared co-workers would be sufficient.

    “It has been brought to my attention that CIA officers are bringing their nooses to work…”

  18. Never forget that the CIA screwed over an Afghan so he traveled to Langley and picked off spooks in their parking lot.
    ——-
    OT But awesome — early this morning in Detroit a gentleman of vague ancestry drove “his” Mercedes-Benz at over a hundred miles an hour into a Ford F-150, with the result of bisection. I don’t always learn physics, but when I do, a freaking full size truck gets chopped in half.

    • Replies: @Bill in Glendale
    @J.Ross

    you can't say "spooks" anymore!

    Replies: @Anon

    , @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    Apparently he was drunk. I always drive slower when I've been drinking. It's necessary to compensate for decreased reaction time. I don't understand how people could hit 100 mph. I don't even like going that fast when I'm sober unless it's on an empty, straight road with a clear line of sight for at least a quarter mile in every direction. Maybe this is one of the upsides of my anxiety disorder: it doesn't go away when I drink and drive

    Replies: @J.Ross, @duncsbaby

  19. The most ominous thing about this racist noose-like object (which was surely left by virgin Trump-supporting Nazi Mexicans from Venus) is its proximity to — and, indeed, apparent function within — a shroud, suggesting nothing so much as a klansman’s robe, which had been draped over a window, probably to symbolize how Our Democracy dies in darkness. Cruelly, when you pull on the noose (effecting the weight of a murdered Black Body), the shroud moves, as though the evil racist klansman is dancing in celebration of rope violence.

    • LOL: rebel yell, Charlotte
  20. So basically what you’re saying is the Russians need to just put up a load of nooses outside CIA facilities to tie the CIA up with internal infighting and low morale.

    And, incidentally, why are they so sure it was a threat by a CIA agent against black CIA agents and not a threat from somebody towards CIA agents in general? (Assuming it’s not another NASCAR situation)

    Who could be mad at the CIA, right?

  21. @Rob McX
    I suppose the agency has some time on its hands after taking down all the Pride flags and stowing them away for next year.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Huh? Americans don’t take down their American, Gadsden, or Rebel flags for 11 months of the year. The Potomac Regime ought to be able fly its flag throughout the year likewise.

    Potomac Regime lets its freak flag fly.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Achmed E. Newman

    But they keep adding new colours and strips to it. They'd have to keep taking it down for modifications. One recent iteration I saw had a brown patch. I'm afraid to ask what that signifies.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  22. Meanwhile, the Good Lord heard my pleas and rewarded me with this beautiful story. I thought I’d died and gone to heaven.


    Don’t miss the transcript

    https://mol.im/a/11026253

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Charon

    The judge appears to have let himself go since his stock photo was taken. Why wasn't this clown show dismissed outright before it ever got to this point?

    , @Gary in Gramercy
    @Charon

    This took place in Flint, MI. Something in the water, perhaps?

    Eagerly awaiting scrivener3's take on whether a clean, well-drafted liquidated damages clause could have prevented this travesty of a mockery of a sham.

    , @AceDeuce
    @Charon

    "Harambe Finds Love"

    Rated PF for Poo Flinging.

  23. @slumber_j

    An object was discovered near a secret location in Virginia, in a building that houses businesses and other organizations.
     
    Sounds like Don DeLillo was also an aptly redacted reporter on this story.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “An object was discovered near a secret location”

    In DeLillo, it’s an “airborne toxic event,” not an object. One of the funniest identifications ever.

    But maybe Donald Barthelme should be called in to consult, on account of that crazy story/prose poem about the blimp that covers all of Manhattan.

  24. @Achmed E. Newman
    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country. Did they ever figure out that the Soviet Union was about to fall yet?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Art Deco, @Currahee, @Not Raul, @anon

    Did they ever figure out that the Soviet Union was about to fall yet?

    …..right, and they are not figuring out that America is falling apart.

  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Rob McX

    Huh? Americans don't take down their American, Gadsden, or Rebel flags for 11 months of the year. The Potomac Regime ought to be able fly its flag throughout the year likewise.

    Potomac Regime lets its freak flag fly.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    But they keep adding new colours and strips to it. They’d have to keep taking it down for modifications. One recent iteration I saw had a brown patch. I’m afraid to ask what that signifies.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Rob McX

    Heh!

    Hey, man, that's all explained in the link - OK, not the brown. Many are still partial to the original, as it was so nicely designed by an ex-man dead-named Brett Ross.She goes by Betsy now.

  26. @Achmed E. Newman
    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country. Did they ever figure out that the Soviet Union was about to fall yet?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Art Deco, @Currahee, @Not Raul, @anon

    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country.

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in Central America supplied by the CIA. It wasn’t instigated by the CIA – they had a readmade corps of willing combatants. The policy wasn’t an initiative of the CIA either. It was an initiative of the president’s. The insurrection’s enemies had been subsidized by a menu of foreign powers when arrayed against the previous government and continued to be when they constituted the government themselves. (The extent to which Nicaragua’s gross national income consisted of on-the-books ODA inflow was second to none during the period running from 1980 to 1985).

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Art Deco

    Yes, that's all on the internet. All you need to know - wikipedia.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Mr. Anon, @Art Deco

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    Sure - whatever you read in the New York Times is all there is to know. You are a fool.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Art Deco

    "a readmade [sic] corps of willing combants"

    The Contra leadership consisted of Nicaraguan businessmen and Somocistas who looked at their CIA-backed anti-Sandinista operation as an opportunity to make bank on arms and narcotics trafficking.

    "The policy wasn't an initiative of the CIA either. It was an initiative of the president's."

    In theory. The Central American Project during the Reagan Years was not the sole concern of Lt. Colonel North. VP Bush ran his own network consisting of Ted Shackley, Thomas Clines, Felix Rodriguez and other retired CIA and permanently embittered Bay of Pigs survivors. Bush had varied interests in Latin America including but not limited to Manuel Noriega and the Medellin Cartel.

    Btw: Been viewing footage of Ronald Reagan whilst he was cast in the role of governor. He was impressive. A mental and moral giant compared to media-protected criminal dolts Newsom, Harris, Pelosi.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in C. America supplied by the CIA.

    Wasn't Bay of Pigs a CIA operation as well?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Prester John, @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco

  27. @Almost Missouri
    As I understand it, northern Virginia is absolutely rancid with CIA sites. There's a vast CIA back office industry of creating the pretextual mail, phone and human traffic for these. So this story is basically the expansion of the CIA real estate footprint, populated by staff whose increasingly only Intelligence function is sniffing out Racism, meeting ordinary everyday objects that kinda sorta resemble Evil Nooses, such as garage door pulls or exercise grips. So it is the de-Centralizing de-Intelligence de-Agency. Maybe that's a good thing.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Art Deco

    Supposedly, the CIA has about 20,000 employees. If they’re an ordinary government agency, about 3/4 of their workforce consists of field employees (in the federal government, that proportion is usually higher). There are about 2,000,000 working adults in the tract development around DC. I’ll wager you there are 2x as many people working for George Mason as there are working for the CIA.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Art Deco

    The vast back office industry is mostly, or more likely entirely, contractors. Many workers probably don't even know that their funding is from the CIA or other intel agency.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Guest007

  28. @Rob McX
    @Achmed E. Newman

    But they keep adding new colours and strips to it. They'd have to keep taking it down for modifications. One recent iteration I saw had a brown patch. I'm afraid to ask what that signifies.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Heh!

    Hey, man, that’s all explained in the link – OK, not the brown. Many are still partial to the original, as it was so nicely designed by an ex-man dead-named Brett Ross.

    [MORE]
    She goes by Betsy now.

  29. @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country.

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in Central America supplied by the CIA. It wasn't instigated by the CIA - they had a readmade corps of willing combatants. The policy wasn't an initiative of the CIA either. It was an initiative of the president's. The insurrection's enemies had been subsidized by a menu of foreign powers when arrayed against the previous government and continued to be when they constituted the government themselves. (The extent to which Nicaragua's gross national income consisted of on-the-books ODA inflow was second to none during the period running from 1980 to 1985).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @SunBakedSuburb, @kaganovitch

    Yes, that’s all on the internet. All you need to know – wikipedia.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "All you need to know – wikipedia."

    We citizens should all be grateful to Wikipedia.

    Our oligarchs change the rules weekly, sometimes even daily, sometimes even hourly.

    Wikipedia constantly updates the listings on political topics so we can be sure to correctly speak the current slogans, hate the correct scapegoat, and learn the new "science" of the day.

    :-(

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Yes, that’s all on the internet. All you need to know – wikipedia.
     
    The way he leaps up to defend the deep state, you might almost think that Art Deco was some kind of official government stooge. But, from his temperament it is clear that he is a highly educated university librarian who is deeply resentful of the fact that all his erudition did for him was get him a job as a librarian.
    , @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Huh?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  30. First, anyone who has worked in a large organization understands the risk of not acting on an allegation of racism.
    Second, the facility is probably something that is staffed totally by contractors to the CIA. People forget how few civil servants actually work for the CIA. Most of the workers are contractors.
    Third, since the CIA has come up, does anyone know if it was proven that Snowden actually every worked for the CIA or what Snowden always a contractor to the CIA and DOD.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Guest007

    IIRC, contractor for the NSA

  31. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Art Deco

    Yes, that's all on the internet. All you need to know - wikipedia.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Mr. Anon, @Art Deco

    “All you need to know – wikipedia.”

    We citizens should all be grateful to Wikipedia.

    Our oligarchs change the rules weekly, sometimes even daily, sometimes even hourly.

    Wikipedia constantly updates the listings on political topics so we can be sure to correctly speak the current slogans, hate the correct scapegoat, and learn the new “science” of the day.

    🙁

  32. @SFG
    My thoughts are

    1. The CIA just admitted they run this place, which means they just lost an asset, though probably not a valuable one.

    2. I’m genuinely not sure whether this is wokeness rotting the Deep State, or, this being the CIA, that’s what they WANT us to think.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    The CIA probably has some immunity to wokeness, but then again people thought that about the military until recently.

    Personally I hope they stock up on diversity hires. I suppose incompetent CIA personnel could be bad for the world but generally I think it’s good when evil organizations are staffed by clowns.

  33. So people at the CIA felt it was appropriate to blow the lid on the existence of a secret location to publicize that an object that may or my not be a noose was found near this facility by persons unknown despite the fact that his property is no doubt under an unbelievable amount of surveillance?

    Also, from the description of the location, it sounds like the CIA owns a strip mall.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Arclight

    Location of secret CIA facility:


    https://www.breakingbad-locations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/E08-Better-Call-Saul.mkv_001394657.jpg

    Replies: @tyrone, @nebulafox

    , @Barnard
    @Arclight

    I would assume they are leasing space in the strip mall, not that they own it. The REIT that owns it should find a reason to evict them.

    , @Alfa158
    @Arclight

    They rent nondescript offices and warehouses in industrial areas and strip malls. The kind of spaces that are usually occupied by auto upholstery businesses, freight delivery services, cellphone repair, etc. The giveaway is that they have an address number but usually don’t bother trying to put a fake business name on the front. I’m guessing because they don’t want any random citizen trying to come in and conduct business with them. Same kind of deal with offices, they will have the suite number on the door, but no business name. You just need to know which door number to knock on.

    Replies: @Jack D

  34. About CIA Director Burns…

    Burns was born at Fort Bragg [lol!], North Carolina in 1956. He is the son of Peggy Cassady and William F. Burns, who was a United States Army Major General, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Arms Control, Bureau of Political-Military Affairs at the Department of State… Burns is married to Lisa Carty, a former diplomat and current UN OCHA senior official

    But thank God there’s no such thing as the Deep State. Truth: it’s now the multi-generational Deep State.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  35. @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country.

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in Central America supplied by the CIA. It wasn't instigated by the CIA - they had a readmade corps of willing combatants. The policy wasn't an initiative of the CIA either. It was an initiative of the president's. The insurrection's enemies had been subsidized by a menu of foreign powers when arrayed against the previous government and continued to be when they constituted the government themselves. (The extent to which Nicaragua's gross national income consisted of on-the-books ODA inflow was second to none during the period running from 1980 to 1985).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @SunBakedSuburb, @kaganovitch

    Sure – whatever you read in the New York Times is all there is to know. You are a fool.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    You list the insurrections 'instigated by the CIA' in Central America. Before you do, I'd remind you that the CIA's predecessor was founded in 1942 and there are seven countries in Central America.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Mr. Anon

  36. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Art Deco

    Yes, that's all on the internet. All you need to know - wikipedia.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Mr. Anon, @Art Deco

    Yes, that’s all on the internet. All you need to know – wikipedia.

    The way he leaps up to defend the deep state, you might almost think that Art Deco was some kind of official government stooge. But, from his temperament it is clear that he is a highly educated university librarian who is deeply resentful of the fact that all his erudition did for him was get him a job as a librarian.

  37. Jeezus. To think: I have a WMD in my barn: Hundreds of feet of baling twine, waiting to be tied into bowlines and left on the mail boxes of all the beautiful people here in Whitopia. Society will come to a standstill.

  38. It’s funny how liberals use to mistrust or even outright hate state organs like the FBI, the CIA, the Pentagon, etc.. Now they are totally onboard with the National Security State.

    • Replies: @Currahee
    @Mr. Anon

    Not funny at all: back in the day these agencies were targeting Communists (friends of the liberals).

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  39. When are they going to notice that men’s ties are nooses? And every black wearing a tie has put a noose around his own neck? Talk about systemic racism! It’s everywhere!

  40. @Arclight
    So people at the CIA felt it was appropriate to blow the lid on the existence of a secret location to publicize that an object that may or my not be a noose was found near this facility by persons unknown despite the fact that his property is no doubt under an unbelievable amount of surveillance?

    Also, from the description of the location, it sounds like the CIA owns a strip mall.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Barnard, @Alfa158

    Location of secret CIA facility:

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I would feel better if Saul Goodman was running CIA..........that's how bad things have gotten.

    , @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqnHtGgVAUE

    Member of Albuquerque's terminally dittohead underclass: "Wow, I had no idea I had rights! Hope it isn't, like, a setup or something... a guy named Goodman clearly never would lie!"

    Sad part is, I'd still trust him to wreak hell on HR departments, in the ancient concept of...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeK1E1HaMdY

    (I used to hate "lowering myself to their level". Now... I just don't care anymore. Don't really care about anything anymore.)

  41. “a noose of great advantage, but nobody to know where it is.”

  42. @J.Ross
    Never forget that the CIA screwed over an Afghan so he traveled to Langley and picked off spooks in their parking lot.
    -------
    OT But awesome -- early this morning in Detroit a gentleman of vague ancestry drove "his" Mercedes-Benz at over a hundred miles an hour into a Ford F-150, with the result of bisection. I don't always learn physics, but when I do, a freaking full size truck gets chopped in half.

    Replies: @Bill in Glendale, @AndrewR

    you can’t say “spooks” anymore!

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Bill in Glendale

    Director on the Langley office broadcast system:
    "Due to our commitment to diversity, inclusion and equity, calling our agents 'CIA spooks' is from here on considered beyond, um, the pale."

  43. @Cagey Beast
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PHckeZoYx04

    Replies: @AndrewR, @OilcanFloyd, @Currahee

    Is this satire???

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @AndrewR

    No.
    Sadly this is all too much in earnest.

  44. @Cagey Beast
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PHckeZoYx04

    Replies: @AndrewR, @OilcanFloyd, @Currahee

    I couldn’t finish that video.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @OilcanFloyd

    In woke America, video finishes you!

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @OilcanFloyd


    I couldn’t finish that video.

     

    I'm with you; it's unbearable.
  45. @J.Ross
    Never forget that the CIA screwed over an Afghan so he traveled to Langley and picked off spooks in their parking lot.
    -------
    OT But awesome -- early this morning in Detroit a gentleman of vague ancestry drove "his" Mercedes-Benz at over a hundred miles an hour into a Ford F-150, with the result of bisection. I don't always learn physics, but when I do, a freaking full size truck gets chopped in half.

    Replies: @Bill in Glendale, @AndrewR

    Apparently he was drunk. I always drive slower when I’ve been drinking. It’s necessary to compensate for decreased reaction time. I don’t understand how people could hit 100 mph. I don’t even like going that fast when I’m sober unless it’s on an empty, straight road with a clear line of sight for at least a quarter mile in every direction. Maybe this is one of the upsides of my anxiety disorder: it doesn’t go away when I drink and drive

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @AndrewR

    Not alcohol. Lockdown-enhanced bumptiousness.

    , @duncsbaby
    @AndrewR

    AndrewR - Don't drink and drive! Your anxiety order will only get worse if you spend a night in jail. As well it's gonna screw up any international travel plans you may have for the future. Canada for one denies entry for any Yank w/a DUI on their record.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Gabe Ruth

  46. They just declassified an important counterintelligence tactic for CIA’s targets: Prominently display a noose in front of all your facilities. It will serve as a CIA repellant just like Garlic is to the Vampires.

  47. @Art Deco
    @Almost Missouri

    Supposedly, the CIA has about 20,000 employees. If they're an ordinary government agency, about 3/4 of their workforce consists of field employees (in the federal government, that proportion is usually higher). There are about 2,000,000 working adults in the tract development around DC. I'll wager you there are 2x as many people working for George Mason as there are working for the CIA.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    The vast back office industry is mostly, or more likely entirely, contractors. Many workers probably don’t even know that their funding is from the CIA or other intel agency.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Almost Missouri

    Waal, their budget a while back was supposed to be $44 bn. Given the ratio of employed persons to gross output in this country, that might support compensation for 220,000 FTE were the agency as labor intensive as an ordinary enterprise. Their field agents each have a hat full of paid informants. (Reuel Marc Gerecht's complaint about the CIA as it was when he worked there was that your promotions were a function of the number of sources you developed, without regard to whether or not your sources told you anything useful).

    CIA agents who've been publicly vociferous (Philip Agee, Frank Snepp, Michael Scheuer, Valerie Plame) or whose history is publicly known (Aldrich Ames) don't come across as impressive characters. You read people's accounts of working around CIA agents and it gives you the impression of blind men describing an elephant. In Gerecht's account, it was a collecting pool of bureaucratic clots gaming the numbers. In the account of a veteran of Wm. J Casey's special advisory committee, it was a collecting pool of people who never read anything more demanding than metropolitan newspapers. OTOH, I recently came across an account of a retired FSO who said the agents he'd dealt with were quite professional, language proficient, and knowledgeable about the key players in the country to which they were assigned.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Guest007
    @Almost Missouri

    I one time was involved in reviewer research to determine if a functional MRI system could be used as a lie detector (the part of the brain used to lie is different than recalling the truth). The grant came from the sponsored research office of the National Geospatial/Intelligence Agency. However, several reviewers joked that the CIA was the real research. The same happens with explosives and weapons. The CIA pays the Army at Aberdeen Proving Grounds to store and test any captured weapons/explosives.

  48. No noose is good noose…

    • Replies: @GSP
    @Muggles

    What’s good for the Noose is good for the Pander?

    CIA on a wild noose chase??

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  49. @Charon
    Meanwhile, the Good Lord heard my pleas and rewarded me with this beautiful story. I thought I'd died and gone to heaven.


    https://i.ibb.co/Z19NDLf/Screenshot-20220719-073733-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Don't miss the transcript

    https://mol.im/a/11026253

    Replies: @Barnard, @Gary in Gramercy, @AceDeuce

    The judge appears to have let himself go since his stock photo was taken. Why wasn’t this clown show dismissed outright before it ever got to this point?

  50. A noose was found in a lightly trafficked area of a construction site at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee a few weeks ago. I just read this morning that a construction worker has been fired after the Union (NATBU) received a tip from a tipline they set up to catch such things. I couldn’t find any photos, or the name of the evildoer. Apparently the FBI was involved. Justice never sleeps.

  51. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Art Deco

    Yes, that's all on the internet. All you need to know - wikipedia.

    Replies: @Justvisiting, @Mr. Anon, @Art Deco

    Huh?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Art Deco


    Huh?
     
    Huh? back, Art.

    You know who you are. We agree on a lot, but you've got this thing about spending 5 minutes on the internet to get some numbers without knowing the whole story on something.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

  52. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Arclight

    Location of secret CIA facility:


    https://www.breakingbad-locations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/E08-Better-Call-Saul.mkv_001394657.jpg

    Replies: @tyrone, @nebulafox

    I would feel better if Saul Goodman was running CIA……….that’s how bad things have gotten.

  53. @Arclight
    So people at the CIA felt it was appropriate to blow the lid on the existence of a secret location to publicize that an object that may or my not be a noose was found near this facility by persons unknown despite the fact that his property is no doubt under an unbelievable amount of surveillance?

    Also, from the description of the location, it sounds like the CIA owns a strip mall.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Barnard, @Alfa158

    I would assume they are leasing space in the strip mall, not that they own it. The REIT that owns it should find a reason to evict them.

  54. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    Sure - whatever you read in the New York Times is all there is to know. You are a fool.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    You list the insurrections ‘instigated by the CIA’ in Central America. Before you do, I’d remind you that the CIA’s predecessor was founded in 1942 and there are seven countries in Central America.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Art Deco

    OSS operational in Central America? Hoover made Latin America his purview during WW2 -- the Big One. In the postwar period William Donovan declined to help midwife a centralized intelligence function for the federal government. Instead, he joined with British colleague William Stephenson to create the World Commerce Corporation which was a private espionage group that focused on the Caribbean and Latin American corporate and financial eco-system but eventually broadened out to the global private sector spook market.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicarauga, Panama.

    Or do you maintain the CIA was not involved in these places?

    Replies: @Art Deco

  55. @Almost Missouri
    @Art Deco

    The vast back office industry is mostly, or more likely entirely, contractors. Many workers probably don't even know that their funding is from the CIA or other intel agency.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Guest007

    Waal, their budget a while back was supposed to be \$44 bn. Given the ratio of employed persons to gross output in this country, that might support compensation for 220,000 FTE were the agency as labor intensive as an ordinary enterprise. Their field agents each have a hat full of paid informants. (Reuel Marc Gerecht’s complaint about the CIA as it was when he worked there was that your promotions were a function of the number of sources you developed, without regard to whether or not your sources told you anything useful).

    CIA agents who’ve been publicly vociferous (Philip Agee, Frank Snepp, Michael Scheuer, Valerie Plame) or whose history is publicly known (Aldrich Ames) don’t come across as impressive characters. You read people’s accounts of working around CIA agents and it gives you the impression of blind men describing an elephant. In Gerecht’s account, it was a collecting pool of bureaucratic clots gaming the numbers. In the account of a veteran of Wm. J Casey’s special advisory committee, it was a collecting pool of people who never read anything more demanding than metropolitan newspapers. OTOH, I recently came across an account of a retired FSO who said the agents he’d dealt with were quite professional, language proficient, and knowledgeable about the key players in the country to which they were assigned.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    CIA agents who’ve been publicly vociferous (Philip Agee, Frank Snepp, Michael Scheuer, Valerie Plame) or whose history is publicly known (Aldrich Ames) don’t come across as impressive characters.
     
    Maybe this is a selection effect. If a CIA agent does his job properly you'll never even know that he is a CIA agent, let alone what he has accomplished on behalf of our country. The ones we know about are the loudmouths and the screwups.


    That being said, like any modern bureaucracy, the CIA is going to have 50 paper pushers and time servers and self promoters for every truly valuable person. And most CIA agents would prefer to spend their time safely at a desk somewhere in Northern Virginia and not slogging thru some malaria infested jungle being pursued by guerillas.

    Part of the problem is, I think, the decline of the WASP. The CIA used to be a sort of old boy's WASP club but like the Supreme Court the WASPs seem to have disappeared. The ones that were left, like Aldrich Ames, were the shallow end of the gene pool - WASPism declined into a sort of John Cheeverish decadent swamp of alcoholism and infidelity and homosexuality and suicide. (The same thing happens to any successful group - you have Joe Biden risen from humble beginnings all the way to the White House (never mind the dog's breakfast he created once he got there or how illegitimate his ascent was) but then you have Hunter who is a total mess.) WASPism always had that side, which was generally kept hidden from the public (paging Alger Hiss) but it also had its heroic side that won two world wars and a Cold War - if that still exists it is well hidden.

    The end of the Cold War meant that the CIA didn't really have much of critical importance to do. Despite the problems that the Russians are currently causing in Ukraine, I don't think that they present the same threat of subversion in the West that the Communists did because Putinism is an ideology that is completely bereft of appeal in the West (except for maybe 5 guys who post on unz). The whole phony "the Russians are undermining the election" narrative shows what little threat they are. Or if there was a real threat, that wasn't it. But the fact that the Washington establishment got so ginned up about it is, like noose hysteria, not a good sign.

    The Soviets themselves were never the super efficient villains portrayed during the Cold War but today's Russian agents are even more clownish. They are the same paper pushers and time servers and self promoters that we have in the CIA except not as good. They haven't caught up with modern technology where there are cameras everywhere, databases that are leaked, etc. The way that the agents who tried to poison Skirpal were unmasked and their true identity and movements traced minute by minute was surely humiliating to the Russian intelligence services, not that they would ever admit it. (And their response, putting Agents Mishkin and Chepiga on TV and having them claim that they were tourists who had visited Salisbury only to see the famous clock was even more humiliating.)

    The Chinese however represent a real threat. There is now a vast group of Chinese living in the West. Most of them are just harmless and hardworking immigrants but there are surely a large number of agents sprinkled among them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco, @Greta Handel, @Twinkie, @LondonBob

  56. NY Times – “All the News that We See Fit to Print”

    You have to question the timing of stories like this. Probably on any given day there are numerous noose shaped objects located all across America and usually people take no notice of them because they are in fact just harmless loops of twine used to secure packages or as garage door pulls or whatever. But if the fires of racial agitation seem to be simmering down, the powers that be decide it’s time to throw another log on the fire.

    BTW, this association between nooses and blacks is relatively recent. Nooses used to be frequent parts of Halloween decorations along with skeletons, etc. They were more associated with Western frontier life or pirates or criminals in general than blacks. Are kids still allowed to play “hangman”?

    Even lynchings (the purported connection between blacks and nooses) were not exclusively reserved for blacks. Generally speaking, anyone who committed an outrageous crime that offended the community and for which conventional justice was thought to be inadequate (e.g. raping a young girl) might get lynched. Of course, then as now, blacks were more prone to committing such crimes but they were not the only ones.

    Maybe this is a run up to the midterms. The black vote appears to be sliding away from its usual home on the Democrat plantation according to the polls – instead of getting 95% of the black vote, the Dems might only get 85% – can’t let that happen.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  57. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-secrets-of-americas-greatest-high-school-math-team-11657791000

    I don’t have a subscription but the preview photo gives away the secret, which involves a photo of students with pale yellow arms and shiny black hair crunched over desks.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Pixo

    I archived that one days ago; when you meet a paywall (don't have a sub) try putting the url into the field at archive dot pee aych, it's probably already archived, and then you get a full page screengrab for free.

  58. @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country.

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in Central America supplied by the CIA. It wasn't instigated by the CIA - they had a readmade corps of willing combatants. The policy wasn't an initiative of the CIA either. It was an initiative of the president's. The insurrection's enemies had been subsidized by a menu of foreign powers when arrayed against the previous government and continued to be when they constituted the government themselves. (The extent to which Nicaragua's gross national income consisted of on-the-books ODA inflow was second to none during the period running from 1980 to 1985).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @SunBakedSuburb, @kaganovitch

    “a readmade [sic] corps of willing combants”

    The Contra leadership consisted of Nicaraguan businessmen and Somocistas who looked at their CIA-backed anti-Sandinista operation as an opportunity to make bank on arms and narcotics trafficking.

    “The policy wasn’t an initiative of the CIA either. It was an initiative of the president’s.”

    In theory. The Central American Project during the Reagan Years was not the sole concern of Lt. Colonel North. VP Bush ran his own network consisting of Ted Shackley, Thomas Clines, Felix Rodriguez and other retired CIA and permanently embittered Bay of Pigs survivors. Bush had varied interests in Latin America including but not limited to Manuel Noriega and the Medellin Cartel.

    Btw: Been viewing footage of Ronald Reagan whilst he was cast in the role of governor. He was impressive. A mental and moral giant compared to media-protected criminal dolts Newsom, Harris, Pelosi.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @SunBakedSuburb

    The Contra leadership consisted of Nicaraguan businessmen and Somocistas

    No, only one organization had that profile. There were about five contra groups.

    In theory.

    No, in fact. It was not being done behind Reagan's back. Reagan approved the project even though Alexander Haig did not care for it.

    The Central American Project during the Reagan Years was not the sole concern of Lt. Colonel North. VP Bush ran his own network consisting of Ted Shackley,

    Neither Bush nor Col. North had anyone working under them apart from their office staff.

    Replies: @Getaclue

  59. @Almost Missouri
    @Art Deco

    The vast back office industry is mostly, or more likely entirely, contractors. Many workers probably don't even know that their funding is from the CIA or other intel agency.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Guest007

    I one time was involved in reviewer research to determine if a functional MRI system could be used as a lie detector (the part of the brain used to lie is different than recalling the truth). The grant came from the sponsored research office of the National Geospatial/Intelligence Agency. However, several reviewers joked that the CIA was the real research. The same happens with explosives and weapons. The CIA pays the Army at Aberdeen Proving Grounds to store and test any captured weapons/explosives.

  60. Babylon Bee?

    Can Clown World possibly get any more clownish?

    “OMG! Somebody found ‘an object,’ or maybe not, which could have been a noose, even if it wasn’t, so we need to hire more and more non-whites, preferably blacks, excuse me, Blacks!, in response to this thing that didn’t happen.”

    And if you dare think this is crazy, and in light of such craziness perhaps don’t entirely trust us to perform our stated government function, you’re a faaaaaaar right conspiracy theorist who is trying to subvert our democracy.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  61. @TelfoedJohn
    Spies of enemy nations are currently being instructed in turning shoelaces into makeshift nooses, which have a kryptonite effect on American forces. Iran’s Revolutionary Guard have reportedly shared lace-to-noose methods with the Russians, spurring calls to invade them from leading American military experts based in Tel Aviv.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Mike_from_SGV

    Foreign Intel agencies really have a golden opportunity here. If agents embedded in the US want to determine if an office is a CIA site, they can leave a noose outside of it and wait for the hysterical response. I mean, the CIA could simply ignore such obvious bait, but this is the CIA we’re talking about. When was the last time they were competent or actually, well, intelligent?

  62. @Art Deco
    @Almost Missouri

    Waal, their budget a while back was supposed to be $44 bn. Given the ratio of employed persons to gross output in this country, that might support compensation for 220,000 FTE were the agency as labor intensive as an ordinary enterprise. Their field agents each have a hat full of paid informants. (Reuel Marc Gerecht's complaint about the CIA as it was when he worked there was that your promotions were a function of the number of sources you developed, without regard to whether or not your sources told you anything useful).

    CIA agents who've been publicly vociferous (Philip Agee, Frank Snepp, Michael Scheuer, Valerie Plame) or whose history is publicly known (Aldrich Ames) don't come across as impressive characters. You read people's accounts of working around CIA agents and it gives you the impression of blind men describing an elephant. In Gerecht's account, it was a collecting pool of bureaucratic clots gaming the numbers. In the account of a veteran of Wm. J Casey's special advisory committee, it was a collecting pool of people who never read anything more demanding than metropolitan newspapers. OTOH, I recently came across an account of a retired FSO who said the agents he'd dealt with were quite professional, language proficient, and knowledgeable about the key players in the country to which they were assigned.

    Replies: @Jack D

    CIA agents who’ve been publicly vociferous (Philip Agee, Frank Snepp, Michael Scheuer, Valerie Plame) or whose history is publicly known (Aldrich Ames) don’t come across as impressive characters.

    Maybe this is a selection effect. If a CIA agent does his job properly you’ll never even know that he is a CIA agent, let alone what he has accomplished on behalf of our country. The ones we know about are the loudmouths and the screwups.

    That being said, like any modern bureaucracy, the CIA is going to have 50 paper pushers and time servers and self promoters for every truly valuable person. And most CIA agents would prefer to spend their time safely at a desk somewhere in Northern Virginia and not slogging thru some malaria infested jungle being pursued by guerillas.

    Part of the problem is, I think, the decline of the WASP. The CIA used to be a sort of old boy’s WASP club but like the Supreme Court the WASPs seem to have disappeared. The ones that were left, like Aldrich Ames, were the shallow end of the gene pool – WASPism declined into a sort of John Cheeverish decadent swamp of alcoholism and infidelity and homosexuality and suicide. (The same thing happens to any successful group – you have Joe Biden risen from humble beginnings all the way to the White House (never mind the dog’s breakfast he created once he got there or how illegitimate his ascent was) but then you have Hunter who is a total mess.) WASPism always had that side, which was generally kept hidden from the public (paging Alger Hiss) but it also had its heroic side that won two world wars and a Cold War – if that still exists it is well hidden.

    The end of the Cold War meant that the CIA didn’t really have much of critical importance to do. Despite the problems that the Russians are currently causing in Ukraine, I don’t think that they present the same threat of subversion in the West that the Communists did because Putinism is an ideology that is completely bereft of appeal in the West (except for maybe 5 guys who post on unz). The whole phony “the Russians are undermining the election” narrative shows what little threat they are. Or if there was a real threat, that wasn’t it. But the fact that the Washington establishment got so ginned up about it is, like noose hysteria, not a good sign.

    The Soviets themselves were never the super efficient villains portrayed during the Cold War but today’s Russian agents are even more clownish. They are the same paper pushers and time servers and self promoters that we have in the CIA except not as good. They haven’t caught up with modern technology where there are cameras everywhere, databases that are leaked, etc. The way that the agents who tried to poison Skirpal were unmasked and their true identity and movements traced minute by minute was surely humiliating to the Russian intelligence services, not that they would ever admit it. (And their response, putting Agents Mishkin and Chepiga on TV and having them claim that they were tourists who had visited Salisbury only to see the famous clock was even more humiliating.)

    The Chinese however represent a real threat. There is now a vast group of Chinese living in the West. Most of them are just harmless and hardworking immigrants but there are surely a large number of agents sprinkled among them.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D

    Agreed completely Jack, especially on your last paragraph re: the Chinese. Plenty of Chinese actual spies (those 1 in 10,000 or whatever) have been caught already.

    What kind of stupid country has Chinese nationals (not even citizens) working in the Offense errr. Defense industry and completely dominating Engineering departments, etc? The commenter named "Citizen of a Silly Country" picked a very good handle.

    .

    [EDIT:] Regarding another comment of yours, we learned to make real nooses, i.e. out of 5/8" or so rope, on camping trips in the Boy Scouts, when we got bored with the other knots. There were no black kids there to get offended, but I doubt one would have. It was a time of relative sanity.

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Not sure what you're ruminating over or why. Old stock Americans are about 1/3 of the population, a proportion declining since about 1840. Their share of the patriciate was bound to decline as people from other population segments began to compete in the market and in the workplace. It doesn't require one be addled by alcohol or homosexuality, though that can wreck families PDQ. It just requires that Mr. Anderson or Mr. Goldfarb or Mr. Tomaselli size up his situation better than you size up yours.

    I don't know if there's any reliable data on the ethnic composition of the CIA at any given point. Ethnic pooling is quite common in occupations and not explained by the skill levels of the occupation involved. I don't know if there's a ready explanation for it. Since the CIA and its predecessor were never limited to ethnic pools for recruitment, I'm not seeing why the decay of the 1920s blueblood element should damage the CIA unless they are severely impeded from recruiting from other segments of the population.

    No clue why you have Joseph Biden and his ghastly son sloshing around in your head when you're thinking about the 1920s bluebloods. Biden comes from a line of salesmen and office managers.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Greta Handel
    @Jack D

    Only here in the HollywoodSportsballHBD tree fort:


    If a CIA agent does his job properly you’ll never even know that he is a CIA agent, let alone what he has accomplished on behalf of our country.
     
    But they’re the brave men and women who are even more handsome than Efram Zimbalist, Jr., right?

    Raise your hand, kids, if you still believe the CIA’s “accomplis[ments are] on behalf of our country.”

    {#87}

    Replies: @Greta Handel

    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Part of the problem is, I think, the decline of the WASP. The CIA used to be a sort of old boy’s WASP club but like the Supreme Court the WASPs seem to have disappeared. The ones that were left, like Aldrich Ames, were the shallow end of the gene pool – WASPism declined into a sort of John Cheeverish decadent swamp of alcoholism and infidelity and homosexuality and suicide.
     
    As usual, you don't seem to know what you are talking about, but you keep doing so authoritatively anyway.

    I got news for you. When "WASPs" declined, intel community and federal LE brought in upstanding Catholics (yes, a large fraction Irish*). Now that a lot of self-described Catholics aren't real Catholics, there are Mormons (who are very WASPy and very good people even if they belong to a weird cult).

    *Do you know whose statue sits in the lobby at Langely? Wild Bill Donovan's. That Catholic Irishman was the head of the OSS.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Jack D

    , @LondonBob
    @Jack D

    The Soviet's were only an issue because of the Jewish fifth column in the West, otherwise they would have been similarly ineffective.

    To paraphrase yourself 'There is now a vast group of Jews living in the West. Most of them are just harmless and hardworking immigrants but there are surely a large number of agents sprinkled among them."

    Problem is the intelligence agencies are going after the wrong targets due to political pressures. Nothing subtle about what the Israelis and the SPLC are up to, just too many cowards to point it out.

  63. Good thing they didn’t find that noose at one of their “black” sites.

    • LOL: Adam Smith
  64. @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Huh?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Huh?

    Huh? back, Art.

    You know who you are. We agree on a lot, but you’ve got this thing about spending 5 minutes on the internet to get some numbers without knowing the whole story on something.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "You know who you are."

    I know exactly who Art is: the holder of the Buddy Ebsen pix. I want them. I need those pix.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

  65. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    You list the insurrections 'instigated by the CIA' in Central America. Before you do, I'd remind you that the CIA's predecessor was founded in 1942 and there are seven countries in Central America.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Mr. Anon

    OSS operational in Central America? Hoover made Latin America his purview during WW2 — the Big One. In the postwar period William Donovan declined to help midwife a centralized intelligence function for the federal government. Instead, he joined with British colleague William Stephenson to create the World Commerce Corporation which was a private espionage group that focused on the Caribbean and Latin American corporate and financial eco-system but eventually broadened out to the global private sector spook market.

  66. This noose sighting may have happened at one of the less prestigious nodes in the national security network but we all know this stuff is everywhere. The militant narcissism of protected groups is now a defining characteristic of our West:

    At 15 min 34 seconds Alex Gladstein, the “Chief Strategy Officer at the Human Rights Foundation and the Oslo Freedom Forum” tells us the presence of Pride parades is the best indicator that a country is on our side:

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Cagey Beast

    #NotACult

  67. @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    CIA agents who’ve been publicly vociferous (Philip Agee, Frank Snepp, Michael Scheuer, Valerie Plame) or whose history is publicly known (Aldrich Ames) don’t come across as impressive characters.
     
    Maybe this is a selection effect. If a CIA agent does his job properly you'll never even know that he is a CIA agent, let alone what he has accomplished on behalf of our country. The ones we know about are the loudmouths and the screwups.


    That being said, like any modern bureaucracy, the CIA is going to have 50 paper pushers and time servers and self promoters for every truly valuable person. And most CIA agents would prefer to spend their time safely at a desk somewhere in Northern Virginia and not slogging thru some malaria infested jungle being pursued by guerillas.

    Part of the problem is, I think, the decline of the WASP. The CIA used to be a sort of old boy's WASP club but like the Supreme Court the WASPs seem to have disappeared. The ones that were left, like Aldrich Ames, were the shallow end of the gene pool - WASPism declined into a sort of John Cheeverish decadent swamp of alcoholism and infidelity and homosexuality and suicide. (The same thing happens to any successful group - you have Joe Biden risen from humble beginnings all the way to the White House (never mind the dog's breakfast he created once he got there or how illegitimate his ascent was) but then you have Hunter who is a total mess.) WASPism always had that side, which was generally kept hidden from the public (paging Alger Hiss) but it also had its heroic side that won two world wars and a Cold War - if that still exists it is well hidden.

    The end of the Cold War meant that the CIA didn't really have much of critical importance to do. Despite the problems that the Russians are currently causing in Ukraine, I don't think that they present the same threat of subversion in the West that the Communists did because Putinism is an ideology that is completely bereft of appeal in the West (except for maybe 5 guys who post on unz). The whole phony "the Russians are undermining the election" narrative shows what little threat they are. Or if there was a real threat, that wasn't it. But the fact that the Washington establishment got so ginned up about it is, like noose hysteria, not a good sign.

    The Soviets themselves were never the super efficient villains portrayed during the Cold War but today's Russian agents are even more clownish. They are the same paper pushers and time servers and self promoters that we have in the CIA except not as good. They haven't caught up with modern technology where there are cameras everywhere, databases that are leaked, etc. The way that the agents who tried to poison Skirpal were unmasked and their true identity and movements traced minute by minute was surely humiliating to the Russian intelligence services, not that they would ever admit it. (And their response, putting Agents Mishkin and Chepiga on TV and having them claim that they were tourists who had visited Salisbury only to see the famous clock was even more humiliating.)

    The Chinese however represent a real threat. There is now a vast group of Chinese living in the West. Most of them are just harmless and hardworking immigrants but there are surely a large number of agents sprinkled among them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco, @Greta Handel, @Twinkie, @LondonBob

    Agreed completely Jack, especially on your last paragraph re: the Chinese. Plenty of Chinese actual spies (those 1 in 10,000 or whatever) have been caught already.

    What kind of stupid country has Chinese nationals (not even citizens) working in the Offense errr. Defense industry and completely dominating Engineering departments, etc? The commenter named “Citizen of a Silly Country” picked a very good handle.

    .

    [EDIT:] Regarding another comment of yours, we learned to make real nooses, i.e. out of 5/8″ or so rope, on camping trips in the Boy Scouts, when we got bored with the other knots. There were no black kids there to get offended, but I doubt one would have. It was a time of relative sanity.

  68. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Art Deco


    Huh?
     
    Huh? back, Art.

    You know who you are. We agree on a lot, but you've got this thing about spending 5 minutes on the internet to get some numbers without knowing the whole story on something.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “You know who you are.”

    I know exactly who Art is: the holder of the Buddy Ebsen pix. I want them. I need those pix.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @SunBakedSuburb

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/01/d0/30/01d0306011e9ffdee6456e4bd1b756e9.jpg

  69. The C.I.A. does not currently have evidence suggesting that an agency employee left the item, or that a foreign intelligence service was involved, according to some of those people briefed on the incident.

    Well, now the foreign intelligence services know just how to get the CIA to run around like headless chickens.

  70. @Arclight
    So people at the CIA felt it was appropriate to blow the lid on the existence of a secret location to publicize that an object that may or my not be a noose was found near this facility by persons unknown despite the fact that his property is no doubt under an unbelievable amount of surveillance?

    Also, from the description of the location, it sounds like the CIA owns a strip mall.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Barnard, @Alfa158

    They rent nondescript offices and warehouses in industrial areas and strip malls. The kind of spaces that are usually occupied by auto upholstery businesses, freight delivery services, cellphone repair, etc. The giveaway is that they have an address number but usually don’t bother trying to put a fake business name on the front. I’m guessing because they don’t want any random citizen trying to come in and conduct business with them. Same kind of deal with offices, they will have the suite number on the door, but no business name. You just need to know which door number to knock on.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Alfa158

    I don't question that you are right, but isn't the fact that there IS a giveaway (no business name) problematic? Wouldn't it be better to put out a name and a type of business for which the public would not be likely to walk in? XYZ Company - Wholesaler of Air Bearings for Precision Machinery. And then put a few out front in the reception area, just enough to make it look plausible in case anyone walked in by accident? "I'm sorry we are a wholesale distributor, we don't sell to the general public."

    I seem to recall some tale that someone (Steve?) told here about wandering into some Russian business in LA that was supposed to do silk screening of T-shirts or something like that but was really a front for something else (who knows what). The first time he ordered they pretended to be legitimate and actually took his order but then sent the work out to another shop (probably at a loss). When he was cluelessly pleased with the results and tried to order again, they got tougher and some thuggish looking guy told him to leave and never to come back.

    Replies: @possumman, @Alfa158

  71. Maybe the noose was honoring Nathan Hale. Or maybe mi6 was trolling Cia; “We hung Nathan Hale.”

    Point is, lots of people were hung in old days, not just blacks.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Thatcher76

    Hollywood Squares:

    Peter Marshall: "Paul, why was Nathan Hale hung?"

    Pail Lynde: "Heredity!"

    Acytual dialogue.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Thatcher76


    Point is, lots of people were hung in old days, not just blacks.
     
    No, they were hanged. Afterwards, sometimes parts of their bodies were hung, as gibberish to children and other townspeople.

    Notable incidents of this include King Philip and Joshua Tefft after the King's eponymous war. They, or their bodies, were drawn and quartered after the gibbeting.
  72. Google image searches for “rope jewelry” etc. yield a plethora of images that I assume the CIA does not allow employees to wear. Some images depict traditional African rope-style necklaces. I have seen rope-style art on Antiques Roadshow. Robert Shaw asks Richard Dreyfus to tie a sheepshank in Jaws and Dreyfus asks, uh oh, how long do you want it – – ban the scene? Ban the entire James Stewart movie “Rope”? There is no end to this.

  73. Plenty of Law & Order fans here, I’ll bet — Crew member shot to death at 5 AM in Greenpoint Brooklyn while holding parking spot needed for a Law & Order location shoot. Gunman described as wearing a hoodie.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Known Fact

    Wow, that's above Alanis Morissette level irony there, SafeNow!

    She should make a remake of her song and start with this story.

  74. @Muggles
    No noose is good noose...

    Replies: @GSP

    What’s good for the Noose is good for the Pander?

    CIA on a wild noose chase??

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @GSP

    That is knot funny. 🎀

  75. I reread the story and I think that the agency response was appropriate. A noose-like object was found. On the off chance that it was an actual noose created by an actual CIA employee, Burns issued a internal message that racism and racist symbols would not be tolerated (and apparently did not take any other action). Such virtue signaling messages have all upside and no downside – it’s like affirming that you are in favor of motherhood and apple pie. “I also wish to remind our employees that the kicking of puppies will not be tolerated at the CIA.” It costs nothing to send out such a reminder. There was no indication that any massive investigation was launched to find the noose hanger or that the CIA was “convulsed”. Meanwhile it (temporarily) shuts up anyone who says that the CIA has done nothing to speak out against racism. Why, Burns spoke out against it just yesterday!

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D


    I reread the story and I think that the agency response was appropriate.
    ...
    It costs nothing to send out such a reminder.
     
    I understand where you're going with this. From the short term and personal perspective of managers sure. "Hey, this b.s. is almost free."

    But long term, continually humoring this nonsense is--has been--extremely toxic and damaging.
  76. Maybe in that off-site CIA location in suburban Viginia, America’s future Putin is incubating? Maybe thirty years from now we’ll see a thoughtful ex-CIA man sharing his thoughts about where neoliberalism went wrong at a meeting of the American Popular Front?

    Someone with literary skills should write the crappy-consumer-capitalist-woke version of Putin’s look back at communism:

    Meeting of the Russian Popular Front’s (ONF) interregional forum
    Vladimir Putin took part in a plenary session of the Russian Popular Front public movement’s interregional forum.
    January 25, 2016 19:40 Stavropol
    […]

    Generally, if you want to know my opinion, you know that like millions of Soviet citizens – over 20 million – I used to be a member of the CPSU (Communist Party of the Soviet Union), and not just a regular member: for almost 20 years I worked for the organisation called the Committee for State Security of the Soviet Union [KGB]. This organisation derives from the Cheka [Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage], which was then called the armed unit of the Party. If for some reason a person left the Communist Party, they were immediately fired from the KGB. I did not join the party simply because I had to, though I cannot say I was such a dedicated communist, but I treated this with great care. As opposed to numerous party functionaries, I was not one of them; I was a rank-and-file member. As opposed to many functionaries, I did not trash my membership card, I did not burn it. I would not want to criticize anyone now – people had different motives and this is their own business. The Communist Party of the Soviet Union fell apart; my membership card is still out there somewhere.

    I have always liked communist and socialist ideas. If we consider the Code of the Builder of Communism that was widely published in the Soviet Union, it strongly resembles the Bible. This is not a joke; it was actually an excerpt from the Bible. It spoke of good things: equality, fraternity, happiness. However, the practical implementation of these ideals in this country had little in common with what the utopian socialists Saint-Simon or Owen spoke about. This country had little resemblance to their Sun City.

    Everyone accused the tsarist regime of repressions. However, what did Soviet power begin with? With mass repressions. I will not speak of the scale, but will simply give most outstanding example: the execution of the Tsar’s family together with their children. There could have been some ideological grounds to destroy possible heirs, I suppose. But why did they have to kill Doctor Botkin? Why kill the servants – people of a proletarian background? What for? To cover up the crime.

    You see, we never gave this a thought before. Fine, we fought with people who resisted Soviet power with arms in hands, but why kill priests? In 1918 alone 3,000 priests were shot, 10,000 over a period of 10 years. Hundreds were drowned under the ice of the Don River. When you think about it, and when you get new data, you tend to see things in a different light.
    […]

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/51206#sel=21:1:YSo,35:103:6jq

  77. “Major Headline!” Panic, as quickly as possible!

    As soon as I saw this story, my bullshit alarm starting beeping at a frantic pace. A noose, or maybe not a noose, somewhere near, but not necessarily at, a secret spook building!?

    My first thought was “why did any self-respecting reporter even write this garbage up?” I don’t know that anything actually happened at all. And a noose? What, is the KKK from 1950 trying to scare the secret spooks?

    I mean, if it was a fake bomb, or even a real bomb, or a poorly made bomb that was meant to be real, but wouldn’t actually work…. maybe I’d believe it, but a noose? And they can’t even commit to the noose, because it may not be a noose? WTF are these people smoking? Was a it a pair of shoes with the laces tied together and thrown over a telephone wire? Was it a helium balloon?

    And, it wasn’t “kinda close” to the secret building? What, down the street? Across from the parking lot? Was it laying in someone’s garbage can on trash day?

    Seriously, “Nothing-burger” doesn’t do this justice, because it’s less than that.

    Oh, and if anyone is keeping score at home, our super-duper powerful and scary spy agency, gets it’s panties in a wad because someone maybe found a sorta noose, somewhere in the same zip code?
    Geez, just tell the world you’re a bunch of sissies, and skip the BS, it’s quicker!

  78. @Alfa158
    @Arclight

    They rent nondescript offices and warehouses in industrial areas and strip malls. The kind of spaces that are usually occupied by auto upholstery businesses, freight delivery services, cellphone repair, etc. The giveaway is that they have an address number but usually don’t bother trying to put a fake business name on the front. I’m guessing because they don’t want any random citizen trying to come in and conduct business with them. Same kind of deal with offices, they will have the suite number on the door, but no business name. You just need to know which door number to knock on.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I don’t question that you are right, but isn’t the fact that there IS a giveaway (no business name) problematic? Wouldn’t it be better to put out a name and a type of business for which the public would not be likely to walk in? XYZ Company – Wholesaler of Air Bearings for Precision Machinery. And then put a few out front in the reception area, just enough to make it look plausible in case anyone walked in by accident? “I’m sorry we are a wholesale distributor, we don’t sell to the general public.”

    I seem to recall some tale that someone (Steve?) told here about wandering into some Russian business in LA that was supposed to do silk screening of T-shirts or something like that but was really a front for something else (who knows what). The first time he ordered they pretended to be legitimate and actually took his order but then sent the work out to another shop (probably at a loss). When he was cluelessly pleased with the results and tried to order again, they got tougher and some thuggish looking guy told him to leave and never to come back.

    • Replies: @possumman
    @Jack D

    Used to be a Russian guy who had a shoe repair shop across the street from our shop--he also made keys. I would get a key made from time to time so I would visit his shop every month or two. He had shoes on the dust covered shelves that had sat there for years--he was always on he phone --rarely any customers in there-although it was clear he could fix shoes and make keys it sure was not how he paid the rent. Nice guy --was there for he 20 years I worked across the street and probably still there.

    , @Alfa158
    @Jack D

    Anecdotal of course, burn was the case for the few times I had any business with them. I think that most people are simply too incurious to even notice, and the only time anyone wanders in is to sell Girl Scout cookies or ask if they would be willing to sponsor uniforms for a Little League team etc. Now that last one would be pretty amusing.

  79. @OilcanFloyd
    @Cagey Beast

    I couldn't finish that video.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @The Last Real Calvinist

    In woke America, video finishes you!

  80. @Jack D
    I reread the story and I think that the agency response was appropriate. A noose-like object was found. On the off chance that it was an actual noose created by an actual CIA employee, Burns issued a internal message that racism and racist symbols would not be tolerated (and apparently did not take any other action). Such virtue signaling messages have all upside and no downside - it's like affirming that you are in favor of motherhood and apple pie. "I also wish to remind our employees that the kicking of puppies will not be tolerated at the CIA." It costs nothing to send out such a reminder. There was no indication that any massive investigation was launched to find the noose hanger or that the CIA was "convulsed". Meanwhile it (temporarily) shuts up anyone who says that the CIA has done nothing to speak out against racism. Why, Burns spoke out against it just yesterday!

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    I reread the story and I think that the agency response was appropriate.

    It costs nothing to send out such a reminder.

    I understand where you’re going with this. From the short term and personal perspective of managers sure. “Hey, this b.s. is almost free.”

    But long term, continually humoring this nonsense is–has been–extremely toxic and damaging.

  81. @Achmed E. Newman
    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country. Did they ever figure out that the Soviet Union was about to fall yet?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Art Deco, @Currahee, @Not Raul, @anon

    No, they are busy finding the 9/11 culprits

  82. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    Apparently he was drunk. I always drive slower when I've been drinking. It's necessary to compensate for decreased reaction time. I don't understand how people could hit 100 mph. I don't even like going that fast when I'm sober unless it's on an empty, straight road with a clear line of sight for at least a quarter mile in every direction. Maybe this is one of the upsides of my anxiety disorder: it doesn't go away when I drink and drive

    Replies: @J.Ross, @duncsbaby

    Not alcohol. Lockdown-enhanced bumptiousness.

  83. @Pixo
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-secrets-of-americas-greatest-high-school-math-team-11657791000

    I don’t have a subscription but the preview photo gives away the secret, which involves a photo of students with pale yellow arms and shiny black hair crunched over desks.

    https://twitter.com/johncbussey/status/1547955247456210944

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I archived that one days ago; when you meet a paywall (don’t have a sub) try putting the url into the field at archive dot pee aych, it’s probably already archived, and then you get a full page screengrab for free.

    • Thanks: Rob McX, Pixo
  84. @Cagey Beast
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PHckeZoYx04

    Replies: @AndrewR, @OilcanFloyd, @Currahee

    It’s all over, folks!

  85. @Jack D
    @Alfa158

    I don't question that you are right, but isn't the fact that there IS a giveaway (no business name) problematic? Wouldn't it be better to put out a name and a type of business for which the public would not be likely to walk in? XYZ Company - Wholesaler of Air Bearings for Precision Machinery. And then put a few out front in the reception area, just enough to make it look plausible in case anyone walked in by accident? "I'm sorry we are a wholesale distributor, we don't sell to the general public."

    I seem to recall some tale that someone (Steve?) told here about wandering into some Russian business in LA that was supposed to do silk screening of T-shirts or something like that but was really a front for something else (who knows what). The first time he ordered they pretended to be legitimate and actually took his order but then sent the work out to another shop (probably at a loss). When he was cluelessly pleased with the results and tried to order again, they got tougher and some thuggish looking guy told him to leave and never to come back.

    Replies: @possumman, @Alfa158

    Used to be a Russian guy who had a shoe repair shop across the street from our shop–he also made keys. I would get a key made from time to time so I would visit his shop every month or two. He had shoes on the dust covered shelves that had sat there for years–he was always on he phone –rarely any customers in there-although it was clear he could fix shoes and make keys it sure was not how he paid the rent. Nice guy –was there for he 20 years I worked across the street and probably still there.

  86. OT – another flavor of premature deaths with a black overweight. As overdose deaths exploded during the pandemic, racial disparities widened, says STATnews.

    While overall overdose deaths increased by 30% from 2019 to 2020 — to some 92,000 lives lost — rates increased by 44% among Black individuals and 39% among American Indian and Alaska Native people.. Overdose death rates among people who are white, Asian or Pacific Islander, or Hispanic all increased by about 22%, the report found.

    More Exuberance, or a side of Despair?

  87. The Chinese and Russians have to be laughing their asses off at this nonsense.

  88. I’d encourage every young man to learn to quickly whip up a noose. (As well as much more useful knots–two half hitches, taut line/rolling hitch, clove hitch, figure eight loop, bowline, figure eight, truckers hitch, etc. Grog’s knots is a good site.)

    And any time his organization needs an ass kicking–or he just needs a break from real work–scatter a few nooses around.

    Just be careful of cameras. (Hoodies can offer some protection, but aren’t perfect protection for white men.)

  89. OT – the iSteve commentariat are an educated bunch – which famous painting is this a parody of?

    And who are the other people apart from Biden, Boris and Zelensky? Macron to her first right?

    • Replies: @Charlotte
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Unequal Marriage by Vasilii Purkiev

    https://arthive.com/artists/42~Vasily_Vladimirovich_Pukirev/works/386081~The_unequal_marriage

    Back row: Mario Draghi, Olaf Scholz, Ursula von der Leyen, Biden, Boris, Macron, Justin Trudeau.

    I’m not a hundred percent sure of Draghi and Scholz, but they seem to fit.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  90. It’s not strange fruit shit. With all the germ warfare documentation Russia seized in Ukraine they’re getting Master Sergeant Woods willies.

    What a bunch of pussies.

  91. @Mr. Anon
    It's funny how liberals use to mistrust or even outright hate state organs like the FBI, the CIA, the Pentagon, etc.. Now they are totally onboard with the National Security State.

    Replies: @Currahee

    Not funny at all: back in the day these agencies were targeting Communists (friends of the liberals).

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Currahee


    Not funny at all: back in the day these agencies were targeting Communists (friends of the liberals).
     
    I mean even non-communist liberals, of whom there were many.
  92. @Bill in Glendale
    @J.Ross

    you can't say "spooks" anymore!

    Replies: @Anon

    Director on the Langley office broadcast system:
    “Due to our commitment to diversity, inclusion and equity, calling our agents ‘CIA spooks’ is from here on considered beyond, um, the pale.”

  93. @Guest007
    First, anyone who has worked in a large organization understands the risk of not acting on an allegation of racism.
    Second, the facility is probably something that is staffed totally by contractors to the CIA. People forget how few civil servants actually work for the CIA. Most of the workers are contractors.
    Third, since the CIA has come up, does anyone know if it was proven that Snowden actually every worked for the CIA or what Snowden always a contractor to the CIA and DOD.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    IIRC, contractor for the NSA

  94. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Art Deco

    "a readmade [sic] corps of willing combants"

    The Contra leadership consisted of Nicaraguan businessmen and Somocistas who looked at their CIA-backed anti-Sandinista operation as an opportunity to make bank on arms and narcotics trafficking.

    "The policy wasn't an initiative of the CIA either. It was an initiative of the president's."

    In theory. The Central American Project during the Reagan Years was not the sole concern of Lt. Colonel North. VP Bush ran his own network consisting of Ted Shackley, Thomas Clines, Felix Rodriguez and other retired CIA and permanently embittered Bay of Pigs survivors. Bush had varied interests in Latin America including but not limited to Manuel Noriega and the Medellin Cartel.

    Btw: Been viewing footage of Ronald Reagan whilst he was cast in the role of governor. He was impressive. A mental and moral giant compared to media-protected criminal dolts Newsom, Harris, Pelosi.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The Contra leadership consisted of Nicaraguan businessmen and Somocistas

    No, only one organization had that profile. There were about five contra groups.

    In theory.

    No, in fact. It was not being done behind Reagan’s back. Reagan approved the project even though Alexander Haig did not care for it.

    The Central American Project during the Reagan Years was not the sole concern of Lt. Colonel North. VP Bush ran his own network consisting of Ted Shackley,

    Neither Bush nor Col. North had anyone working under them apart from their office staff.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    @Art Deco

    Please...and Winston C. Oliver wasn't Deputy Director for Covert Operations? Right? LOL...the man on the sign never is "the man"...thanks for an utter bs comment.

  95. Fake news about a fake noose.

  96. New CIA dress code. All employees are now forbidden from wearing neck ties.

  97. @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    CIA agents who’ve been publicly vociferous (Philip Agee, Frank Snepp, Michael Scheuer, Valerie Plame) or whose history is publicly known (Aldrich Ames) don’t come across as impressive characters.
     
    Maybe this is a selection effect. If a CIA agent does his job properly you'll never even know that he is a CIA agent, let alone what he has accomplished on behalf of our country. The ones we know about are the loudmouths and the screwups.


    That being said, like any modern bureaucracy, the CIA is going to have 50 paper pushers and time servers and self promoters for every truly valuable person. And most CIA agents would prefer to spend their time safely at a desk somewhere in Northern Virginia and not slogging thru some malaria infested jungle being pursued by guerillas.

    Part of the problem is, I think, the decline of the WASP. The CIA used to be a sort of old boy's WASP club but like the Supreme Court the WASPs seem to have disappeared. The ones that were left, like Aldrich Ames, were the shallow end of the gene pool - WASPism declined into a sort of John Cheeverish decadent swamp of alcoholism and infidelity and homosexuality and suicide. (The same thing happens to any successful group - you have Joe Biden risen from humble beginnings all the way to the White House (never mind the dog's breakfast he created once he got there or how illegitimate his ascent was) but then you have Hunter who is a total mess.) WASPism always had that side, which was generally kept hidden from the public (paging Alger Hiss) but it also had its heroic side that won two world wars and a Cold War - if that still exists it is well hidden.

    The end of the Cold War meant that the CIA didn't really have much of critical importance to do. Despite the problems that the Russians are currently causing in Ukraine, I don't think that they present the same threat of subversion in the West that the Communists did because Putinism is an ideology that is completely bereft of appeal in the West (except for maybe 5 guys who post on unz). The whole phony "the Russians are undermining the election" narrative shows what little threat they are. Or if there was a real threat, that wasn't it. But the fact that the Washington establishment got so ginned up about it is, like noose hysteria, not a good sign.

    The Soviets themselves were never the super efficient villains portrayed during the Cold War but today's Russian agents are even more clownish. They are the same paper pushers and time servers and self promoters that we have in the CIA except not as good. They haven't caught up with modern technology where there are cameras everywhere, databases that are leaked, etc. The way that the agents who tried to poison Skirpal were unmasked and their true identity and movements traced minute by minute was surely humiliating to the Russian intelligence services, not that they would ever admit it. (And their response, putting Agents Mishkin and Chepiga on TV and having them claim that they were tourists who had visited Salisbury only to see the famous clock was even more humiliating.)

    The Chinese however represent a real threat. There is now a vast group of Chinese living in the West. Most of them are just harmless and hardworking immigrants but there are surely a large number of agents sprinkled among them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco, @Greta Handel, @Twinkie, @LondonBob

    Not sure what you’re ruminating over or why. Old stock Americans are about 1/3 of the population, a proportion declining since about 1840. Their share of the patriciate was bound to decline as people from other population segments began to compete in the market and in the workplace. It doesn’t require one be addled by alcohol or homosexuality, though that can wreck families PDQ. It just requires that Mr. Anderson or Mr. Goldfarb or Mr. Tomaselli size up his situation better than you size up yours.

    I don’t know if there’s any reliable data on the ethnic composition of the CIA at any given point. Ethnic pooling is quite common in occupations and not explained by the skill levels of the occupation involved. I don’t know if there’s a ready explanation for it. Since the CIA and its predecessor were never limited to ethnic pools for recruitment, I’m not seeing why the decay of the 1920s blueblood element should damage the CIA unless they are severely impeded from recruiting from other segments of the population.

    No clue why you have Joseph Biden and his ghastly son sloshing around in your head when you’re thinking about the 1920s bluebloods. Biden comes from a line of salesmen and office managers.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    People here seem to think that Jews brought their Bolshevism with them on the boat and want to destroy America but in fact many Jews (at least I) admired the old, self-assured America. Jewish socialism in America was inspired by Eugene V. Debs (the call sign of the Yiddish radio station in NY was WEVD). The Jewish Daily Forward was an effort to copy an American mass market newspaper in Yiddish.

    Now the 1920s bluebloods had their flaws but they were also the people who brought America to its pinnacle and I kind of miss having them around. In their day they would have had the self assurance to tell the 1619 gang and the guy in dresses and fakers hanging up nooses and so on that they were full of shit. I'm not sure that Tomaselli and Goldfarb and Biden are up to the task, unfortunately.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  98. @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country.

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in Central America supplied by the CIA. It wasn't instigated by the CIA - they had a readmade corps of willing combatants. The policy wasn't an initiative of the CIA either. It was an initiative of the president's. The insurrection's enemies had been subsidized by a menu of foreign powers when arrayed against the previous government and continued to be when they constituted the government themselves. (The extent to which Nicaragua's gross national income consisted of on-the-books ODA inflow was second to none during the period running from 1980 to 1985).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Mr. Anon, @SunBakedSuburb, @kaganovitch

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in C. America supplied by the CIA.

    Wasn’t Bay of Pigs a CIA operation as well?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @kaganovitch

    Pentagon. The plan all along was to dolchstoss the Cubans (some of whom are the same Cubans who went on to get dolchstossed in the 70s) while a Marine Expeditionary Brigade just happened to describe alligator squares offshore, then buffalo Kennedy to "rescue" the Cubans.

    , @Prester John
    @kaganovitch

    It was. And an early example of a CIA fuck-up.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @kaganovitch

    He'll get out of that one with "Cuba is not in Central America". Technically that's true.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Art Deco

    , @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    Cuba is not in Central America. Not much of an insurrection, either.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  99. @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    CIA agents who’ve been publicly vociferous (Philip Agee, Frank Snepp, Michael Scheuer, Valerie Plame) or whose history is publicly known (Aldrich Ames) don’t come across as impressive characters.
     
    Maybe this is a selection effect. If a CIA agent does his job properly you'll never even know that he is a CIA agent, let alone what he has accomplished on behalf of our country. The ones we know about are the loudmouths and the screwups.


    That being said, like any modern bureaucracy, the CIA is going to have 50 paper pushers and time servers and self promoters for every truly valuable person. And most CIA agents would prefer to spend their time safely at a desk somewhere in Northern Virginia and not slogging thru some malaria infested jungle being pursued by guerillas.

    Part of the problem is, I think, the decline of the WASP. The CIA used to be a sort of old boy's WASP club but like the Supreme Court the WASPs seem to have disappeared. The ones that were left, like Aldrich Ames, were the shallow end of the gene pool - WASPism declined into a sort of John Cheeverish decadent swamp of alcoholism and infidelity and homosexuality and suicide. (The same thing happens to any successful group - you have Joe Biden risen from humble beginnings all the way to the White House (never mind the dog's breakfast he created once he got there or how illegitimate his ascent was) but then you have Hunter who is a total mess.) WASPism always had that side, which was generally kept hidden from the public (paging Alger Hiss) but it also had its heroic side that won two world wars and a Cold War - if that still exists it is well hidden.

    The end of the Cold War meant that the CIA didn't really have much of critical importance to do. Despite the problems that the Russians are currently causing in Ukraine, I don't think that they present the same threat of subversion in the West that the Communists did because Putinism is an ideology that is completely bereft of appeal in the West (except for maybe 5 guys who post on unz). The whole phony "the Russians are undermining the election" narrative shows what little threat they are. Or if there was a real threat, that wasn't it. But the fact that the Washington establishment got so ginned up about it is, like noose hysteria, not a good sign.

    The Soviets themselves were never the super efficient villains portrayed during the Cold War but today's Russian agents are even more clownish. They are the same paper pushers and time servers and self promoters that we have in the CIA except not as good. They haven't caught up with modern technology where there are cameras everywhere, databases that are leaked, etc. The way that the agents who tried to poison Skirpal were unmasked and their true identity and movements traced minute by minute was surely humiliating to the Russian intelligence services, not that they would ever admit it. (And their response, putting Agents Mishkin and Chepiga on TV and having them claim that they were tourists who had visited Salisbury only to see the famous clock was even more humiliating.)

    The Chinese however represent a real threat. There is now a vast group of Chinese living in the West. Most of them are just harmless and hardworking immigrants but there are surely a large number of agents sprinkled among them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco, @Greta Handel, @Twinkie, @LondonBob

    Only here in the HollywoodSportsballHBD tree fort:

    If a CIA agent does his job properly you’ll never even know that he is a CIA agent, let alone what he has accomplished on behalf of our country.

    But they’re the brave men and women who are even more handsome than Efram Zimbalist, Jr., right?

    Raise your hand, kids, if you still believe the CIA’s “accomplis[ments are] on behalf of our country.”

    {#87}

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Greta Handel

    Submitted as comment #87.

  100. @Greta Handel
    @Jack D

    Only here in the HollywoodSportsballHBD tree fort:


    If a CIA agent does his job properly you’ll never even know that he is a CIA agent, let alone what he has accomplished on behalf of our country.
     
    But they’re the brave men and women who are even more handsome than Efram Zimbalist, Jr., right?

    Raise your hand, kids, if you still believe the CIA’s “accomplis[ments are] on behalf of our country.”

    {#87}

    Replies: @Greta Handel

    Submitted as comment #87.

  101. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in C. America supplied by the CIA.

    Wasn't Bay of Pigs a CIA operation as well?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Prester John, @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco

    Pentagon. The plan all along was to dolchstoss the Cubans (some of whom are the same Cubans who went on to get dolchstossed in the 70s) while a Marine Expeditionary Brigade just happened to describe alligator squares offshore, then buffalo Kennedy to “rescue” the Cubans.

  102. It’s not a nothingburger when The Bagel Times hears the word “noose.”

  103. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in C. America supplied by the CIA.

    Wasn't Bay of Pigs a CIA operation as well?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Prester John, @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco

    It was. And an early example of a CIA fuck-up.

  104. @Known Fact
    Plenty of Law & Order fans here, I'll bet -- Crew member shot to death at 5 AM in Greenpoint Brooklyn while holding parking spot needed for a Law & Order location shoot. Gunman described as wearing a hoodie.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Wow, that’s above Alanis Morissette level irony there, SafeNow!

    She should make a remake of her song and start with this story.

  105. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in C. America supplied by the CIA.

    Wasn't Bay of Pigs a CIA operation as well?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Prester John, @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco

    He’ll get out of that one with “Cuba is not in Central America”. Technically that’s true.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Details, details.

    , @Art Deco
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Not 'technically', actually true. In any case, the Bay of Pigs was over in a few hours.

  106. Abolish The CIA Now!

    I believe the CIA has a black budget bonanza of conjured up loot from the Federal Reserve Bank.

    “I believe my baby has a black cat bone.”

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Charles Pewitt

    The main source of CIA black money is the drug trade, Started with the Korean War metastasized with Vietnam. South America was the CIA crack source scourge - Ask Gary Webb, and Bill Clinton if you want to be Arkencided and let's not forget about the Taliban having eradicated Poppies in Afghanistan.

  107. @Cagey Beast
    This noose sighting may have happened at one of the less prestigious nodes in the national security network but we all know this stuff is everywhere. The militant narcissism of protected groups is now a defining characteristic of our West:


    At 15 min 34 seconds Alex Gladstein, the "Chief Strategy Officer at the Human Rights Foundation and the Oslo Freedom Forum" tells us the presence of Pride parades is the best indicator that a country is on our side:

    https://youtu.be/kSbMU5CbFM0?t=934

    Replies: @nebulafox

    #NotACult

  108. @Achmed E. Newman
    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country. Did they ever figure out that the Soviet Union was about to fall yet?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Art Deco, @Currahee, @Not Raul, @anon

    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country. Did they ever figure out that the Soviet Union was about to fall yet?

    They still haven’t figured out that it fell.

    Emmanuel Todd figured it out in the 1970s.

  109. @Charon
    Meanwhile, the Good Lord heard my pleas and rewarded me with this beautiful story. I thought I'd died and gone to heaven.


    https://i.ibb.co/Z19NDLf/Screenshot-20220719-073733-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Don't miss the transcript

    https://mol.im/a/11026253

    Replies: @Barnard, @Gary in Gramercy, @AceDeuce

    This took place in Flint, MI. Something in the water, perhaps?

    Eagerly awaiting scrivener3’s take on whether a clean, well-drafted liquidated damages clause could have prevented this travesty of a mockery of a sham.

  110. @Jack D
    @Alfa158

    I don't question that you are right, but isn't the fact that there IS a giveaway (no business name) problematic? Wouldn't it be better to put out a name and a type of business for which the public would not be likely to walk in? XYZ Company - Wholesaler of Air Bearings for Precision Machinery. And then put a few out front in the reception area, just enough to make it look plausible in case anyone walked in by accident? "I'm sorry we are a wholesale distributor, we don't sell to the general public."

    I seem to recall some tale that someone (Steve?) told here about wandering into some Russian business in LA that was supposed to do silk screening of T-shirts or something like that but was really a front for something else (who knows what). The first time he ordered they pretended to be legitimate and actually took his order but then sent the work out to another shop (probably at a loss). When he was cluelessly pleased with the results and tried to order again, they got tougher and some thuggish looking guy told him to leave and never to come back.

    Replies: @possumman, @Alfa158

    Anecdotal of course, burn was the case for the few times I had any business with them. I think that most people are simply too incurious to even notice, and the only time anyone wanders in is to sell Girl Scout cookies or ask if they would be willing to sponsor uniforms for a Little League team etc. Now that last one would be pretty amusing.

  111. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Arclight

    Location of secret CIA facility:


    https://www.breakingbad-locations.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/E08-Better-Call-Saul.mkv_001394657.jpg

    Replies: @tyrone, @nebulafox

    Member of Albuquerque’s terminally dittohead underclass: “Wow, I had no idea I had rights! Hope it isn’t, like, a setup or something… a guy named Goodman clearly never would lie!”

    Sad part is, I’d still trust him to wreak hell on HR departments, in the ancient concept of…

    (I used to hate “lowering myself to their level”. Now… I just don’t care anymore. Don’t really care about anything anymore.)

  112. @AndrewR
    @Cagey Beast

    Is this satire???

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    No.
    Sadly this is all too much in earnest.

  113. It’s interesting that a search for the phrase “Havana Syndrome” gets no hits in the conversation here. I would have thought the comparison was obvious. The Chapo Trap House /Bernie Bro type of lefties seem to find the Havana Syndrome stuff hugely funny.

    No one in the 1960’s predicted that mass hysteria and witch hunts would sweep through the Professional Managerial Classes when every freaky little pervert and cat lady has access to the 21st century equivalent of Telex machines and the Internet.

    What if we gave the technology behind the Mother Of All Demonstrations* to a bunch of resentful, dimwitted and deeply unhappy people? Now we know. And now us dull, stale, pale males are stuck trying to figure out what to do after being good sports for 70 years.

    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos

  114. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Not sure what you're ruminating over or why. Old stock Americans are about 1/3 of the population, a proportion declining since about 1840. Their share of the patriciate was bound to decline as people from other population segments began to compete in the market and in the workplace. It doesn't require one be addled by alcohol or homosexuality, though that can wreck families PDQ. It just requires that Mr. Anderson or Mr. Goldfarb or Mr. Tomaselli size up his situation better than you size up yours.

    I don't know if there's any reliable data on the ethnic composition of the CIA at any given point. Ethnic pooling is quite common in occupations and not explained by the skill levels of the occupation involved. I don't know if there's a ready explanation for it. Since the CIA and its predecessor were never limited to ethnic pools for recruitment, I'm not seeing why the decay of the 1920s blueblood element should damage the CIA unless they are severely impeded from recruiting from other segments of the population.

    No clue why you have Joseph Biden and his ghastly son sloshing around in your head when you're thinking about the 1920s bluebloods. Biden comes from a line of salesmen and office managers.

    Replies: @Jack D

    People here seem to think that Jews brought their Bolshevism with them on the boat and want to destroy America but in fact many Jews (at least I) admired the old, self-assured America. Jewish socialism in America was inspired by Eugene V. Debs (the call sign of the Yiddish radio station in NY was WEVD). The Jewish Daily Forward was an effort to copy an American mass market newspaper in Yiddish.

    Now the 1920s bluebloods had their flaws but they were also the people who brought America to its pinnacle and I kind of miss having them around. In their day they would have had the self assurance to tell the 1619 gang and the guy in dresses and fakers hanging up nooses and so on that they were full of shit. I’m not sure that Tomaselli and Goldfarb and Biden are up to the task, unfortunately.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    (at least I) admired the old, self-assured America
     
    You may miss it more than you realize. Or at least your descendants will. Contrary to what the ADL and SPLC seem to think, the new demographics may unleash some ferocious forces that we see in other places around the world.

    Ilhan Abdullahi Omar is just the beginning.

  115. Anon[165] • Disclaimer says:

    The CIA acts like they’ve had their collective balls sawed off. The sissification of the agency keeps chugging along, and they’re no longer the commie-fighting Cold Warriors of the 1950s. They are now the useless fat eunuchs of an Ottoman Court, whose primary interest is ‘she said he said’ court gossip.

    My own suspicion is that under Obama and Biden, real men weren’t bothering to join the agency, and the poor-quality minority hires they got instead are dragging the agency down. No real man wants to work under this generation’s Democratic clowntards.

  116. Blacks, blacks, blacks,,,,ad nauseum.

  117. @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    CIA agents who’ve been publicly vociferous (Philip Agee, Frank Snepp, Michael Scheuer, Valerie Plame) or whose history is publicly known (Aldrich Ames) don’t come across as impressive characters.
     
    Maybe this is a selection effect. If a CIA agent does his job properly you'll never even know that he is a CIA agent, let alone what he has accomplished on behalf of our country. The ones we know about are the loudmouths and the screwups.


    That being said, like any modern bureaucracy, the CIA is going to have 50 paper pushers and time servers and self promoters for every truly valuable person. And most CIA agents would prefer to spend their time safely at a desk somewhere in Northern Virginia and not slogging thru some malaria infested jungle being pursued by guerillas.

    Part of the problem is, I think, the decline of the WASP. The CIA used to be a sort of old boy's WASP club but like the Supreme Court the WASPs seem to have disappeared. The ones that were left, like Aldrich Ames, were the shallow end of the gene pool - WASPism declined into a sort of John Cheeverish decadent swamp of alcoholism and infidelity and homosexuality and suicide. (The same thing happens to any successful group - you have Joe Biden risen from humble beginnings all the way to the White House (never mind the dog's breakfast he created once he got there or how illegitimate his ascent was) but then you have Hunter who is a total mess.) WASPism always had that side, which was generally kept hidden from the public (paging Alger Hiss) but it also had its heroic side that won two world wars and a Cold War - if that still exists it is well hidden.

    The end of the Cold War meant that the CIA didn't really have much of critical importance to do. Despite the problems that the Russians are currently causing in Ukraine, I don't think that they present the same threat of subversion in the West that the Communists did because Putinism is an ideology that is completely bereft of appeal in the West (except for maybe 5 guys who post on unz). The whole phony "the Russians are undermining the election" narrative shows what little threat they are. Or if there was a real threat, that wasn't it. But the fact that the Washington establishment got so ginned up about it is, like noose hysteria, not a good sign.

    The Soviets themselves were never the super efficient villains portrayed during the Cold War but today's Russian agents are even more clownish. They are the same paper pushers and time servers and self promoters that we have in the CIA except not as good. They haven't caught up with modern technology where there are cameras everywhere, databases that are leaked, etc. The way that the agents who tried to poison Skirpal were unmasked and their true identity and movements traced minute by minute was surely humiliating to the Russian intelligence services, not that they would ever admit it. (And their response, putting Agents Mishkin and Chepiga on TV and having them claim that they were tourists who had visited Salisbury only to see the famous clock was even more humiliating.)

    The Chinese however represent a real threat. There is now a vast group of Chinese living in the West. Most of them are just harmless and hardworking immigrants but there are surely a large number of agents sprinkled among them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco, @Greta Handel, @Twinkie, @LondonBob

    Part of the problem is, I think, the decline of the WASP. The CIA used to be a sort of old boy’s WASP club but like the Supreme Court the WASPs seem to have disappeared. The ones that were left, like Aldrich Ames, were the shallow end of the gene pool – WASPism declined into a sort of John Cheeverish decadent swamp of alcoholism and infidelity and homosexuality and suicide.

    As usual, you don’t seem to know what you are talking about, but you keep doing so authoritatively anyway.

    I got news for you. When “WASPs” declined, intel community and federal LE brought in upstanding Catholics (yes, a large fraction Irish*). Now that a lot of self-described Catholics aren’t real Catholics, there are Mormons (who are very WASPy and very good people even if they belong to a weird cult).

    *Do you know whose statue sits in the lobby at Langely? Wild Bill Donovan’s. That Catholic Irishman was the head of the OSS.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Twinkie

    Frankly fuck the WASPs. They had a hate on for everyone who wasn't them and now they find themselves with no friends, except the people they've bought. The G7, Five Eyes, EU gang will say whatever the hell permanent Washington tells them to say and permanent Washington hasn't been a WASP racket for decades.

    It gets boring to see some people endlessly yapping on this site about the Jews. Face it, they won and you lost. The WASPs are gone and your're not coming back.

    , @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I'm quite aware of Donovan. Catholics also largely replaced Protestants on the Supreme Court. I liked the Court better when it was Protestant.

    OTOH right wing Catholics seem caught up in their weird anti-abortion obsession which is going to snatch control of Congress from the Republicans just when everything was going great for November and which is dysgenic to boot. If people understood who is really getting abortions in America they would set up go fund me's to pay for them.

    OTOH left wing Catholics are into Communism - the Church was never really fully down with capitalism and it was no accident that capitalism developed first in Protestant Northern Europe.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  118. @Achmed E. Newman
    @kaganovitch

    He'll get out of that one with "Cuba is not in Central America". Technically that's true.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Art Deco

    Details, details.

  119. @Art Deco
    @SunBakedSuburb

    The Contra leadership consisted of Nicaraguan businessmen and Somocistas

    No, only one organization had that profile. There were about five contra groups.

    In theory.

    No, in fact. It was not being done behind Reagan's back. Reagan approved the project even though Alexander Haig did not care for it.

    The Central American Project during the Reagan Years was not the sole concern of Lt. Colonel North. VP Bush ran his own network consisting of Ted Shackley,

    Neither Bush nor Col. North had anyone working under them apart from their office staff.

    Replies: @Getaclue

    Please…and Winston C. Oliver wasn’t Deputy Director for Covert Operations? Right? LOL…the man on the sign never is “the man”…thanks for an utter bs comment.

  120. Anonymous[259] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Art Deco

    People here seem to think that Jews brought their Bolshevism with them on the boat and want to destroy America but in fact many Jews (at least I) admired the old, self-assured America. Jewish socialism in America was inspired by Eugene V. Debs (the call sign of the Yiddish radio station in NY was WEVD). The Jewish Daily Forward was an effort to copy an American mass market newspaper in Yiddish.

    Now the 1920s bluebloods had their flaws but they were also the people who brought America to its pinnacle and I kind of miss having them around. In their day they would have had the self assurance to tell the 1619 gang and the guy in dresses and fakers hanging up nooses and so on that they were full of shit. I'm not sure that Tomaselli and Goldfarb and Biden are up to the task, unfortunately.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    (at least I) admired the old, self-assured America

    You may miss it more than you realize. Or at least your descendants will. Contrary to what the ADL and SPLC seem to think, the new demographics may unleash some ferocious forces that we see in other places around the world.

    Ilhan Abdullahi Omar is just the beginning.

  121. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Part of the problem is, I think, the decline of the WASP. The CIA used to be a sort of old boy’s WASP club but like the Supreme Court the WASPs seem to have disappeared. The ones that were left, like Aldrich Ames, were the shallow end of the gene pool – WASPism declined into a sort of John Cheeverish decadent swamp of alcoholism and infidelity and homosexuality and suicide.
     
    As usual, you don't seem to know what you are talking about, but you keep doing so authoritatively anyway.

    I got news for you. When "WASPs" declined, intel community and federal LE brought in upstanding Catholics (yes, a large fraction Irish*). Now that a lot of self-described Catholics aren't real Catholics, there are Mormons (who are very WASPy and very good people even if they belong to a weird cult).

    *Do you know whose statue sits in the lobby at Langely? Wild Bill Donovan's. That Catholic Irishman was the head of the OSS.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Jack D

    Frankly fuck the WASPs. They had a hate on for everyone who wasn’t them and now they find themselves with no friends, except the people they’ve bought. The G7, Five Eyes, EU gang will say whatever the hell permanent Washington tells them to say and permanent Washington hasn’t been a WASP racket for decades.

    It gets boring to see some people endlessly yapping on this site about the Jews. Face it, they won and you lost. The WASPs are gone and your’re not coming back.

  122. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Part of the problem is, I think, the decline of the WASP. The CIA used to be a sort of old boy’s WASP club but like the Supreme Court the WASPs seem to have disappeared. The ones that were left, like Aldrich Ames, were the shallow end of the gene pool – WASPism declined into a sort of John Cheeverish decadent swamp of alcoholism and infidelity and homosexuality and suicide.
     
    As usual, you don't seem to know what you are talking about, but you keep doing so authoritatively anyway.

    I got news for you. When "WASPs" declined, intel community and federal LE brought in upstanding Catholics (yes, a large fraction Irish*). Now that a lot of self-described Catholics aren't real Catholics, there are Mormons (who are very WASPy and very good people even if they belong to a weird cult).

    *Do you know whose statue sits in the lobby at Langely? Wild Bill Donovan's. That Catholic Irishman was the head of the OSS.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @Jack D

    I’m quite aware of Donovan. Catholics also largely replaced Protestants on the Supreme Court. I liked the Court better when it was Protestant.

    OTOH right wing Catholics seem caught up in their weird anti-abortion obsession which is going to snatch control of Congress from the Republicans just when everything was going great for November and which is dysgenic to boot. If people understood who is really getting abortions in America they would set up go fund me’s to pay for them.

    OTOH left wing Catholics are into Communism – the Church was never really fully down with capitalism and it was no accident that capitalism developed first in Protestant Northern Europe.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I’m quite aware of Donovan.
     
    "Aware" is an interesting word. Have you even been to the lobby of Langley?

    Catholics also largely replaced Protestants on the Supreme Court. I liked the Court better when it was Protestant.
     
    Of course, you do. The "Protestant" Supreme Court sided with every liberal (heavily Jewish-inflected) social movement in this country.

    right wing Catholics seem caught up in their weird anti-abortion obsession
     
    Yeah, so, so weird, what with the respect for the sanctity of human life and all. You also clearly don't know that the pro-life sentiment is the strongest in the Bible-belt South where Catholicism is not prevalent.

    You don't seem to like Catholics, because we don't take lying down the Jewish-led secularization of this country and fight to preserve Christianity as the public religion in America.


    the Church was never really fully down with capitalism
     
    Yes, because the Church, in its enduring wisdom, understood that unrestrained capitalism leads to all manners of ills, which all of us can witness today.

    The Catholic principle of subsidiarity, both politically and economically, would make for a far more just and happy world, striking the right balance between opportunity and true progress, on one hand, and tradition and security, on the other.


    capitalism developed first in Protestant Northern Europe.
     
    Like Italy?

    I thought you were sly, but not an ignorant person, but I see that you are very shallowly read in history.

    Replies: @Jack D

  123. @Charon
    Meanwhile, the Good Lord heard my pleas and rewarded me with this beautiful story. I thought I'd died and gone to heaven.


    https://i.ibb.co/Z19NDLf/Screenshot-20220719-073733-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Don't miss the transcript

    https://mol.im/a/11026253

    Replies: @Barnard, @Gary in Gramercy, @AceDeuce

    “Harambe Finds Love”

    Rated PF for Poo Flinging.

  124. @Thatcher76
    Maybe the noose was honoring Nathan Hale. Or maybe mi6 was trolling Cia; "We hung Nathan Hale."

    Point is, lots of people were hung in old days, not just blacks.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar

    Hollywood Squares:

    Peter Marshall: “Paul, why was Nathan Hale hung?”

    Pail Lynde: “Heredity!”

    Acytual dialogue.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @AceDeuce

    It was the Grammatically correct answer.

    Men are Hanged not Hung for Treason.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

  125. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    I'm quite aware of Donovan. Catholics also largely replaced Protestants on the Supreme Court. I liked the Court better when it was Protestant.

    OTOH right wing Catholics seem caught up in their weird anti-abortion obsession which is going to snatch control of Congress from the Republicans just when everything was going great for November and which is dysgenic to boot. If people understood who is really getting abortions in America they would set up go fund me's to pay for them.

    OTOH left wing Catholics are into Communism - the Church was never really fully down with capitalism and it was no accident that capitalism developed first in Protestant Northern Europe.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I’m quite aware of Donovan.

    “Aware” is an interesting word. Have you even been to the lobby of Langley?

    Catholics also largely replaced Protestants on the Supreme Court. I liked the Court better when it was Protestant.

    Of course, you do. The “Protestant” Supreme Court sided with every liberal (heavily Jewish-inflected) social movement in this country.

    right wing Catholics seem caught up in their weird anti-abortion obsession

    Yeah, so, so weird, what with the respect for the sanctity of human life and all. You also clearly don’t know that the pro-life sentiment is the strongest in the Bible-belt South where Catholicism is not prevalent.

    You don’t seem to like Catholics, because we don’t take lying down the Jewish-led secularization of this country and fight to preserve Christianity as the public religion in America.

    the Church was never really fully down with capitalism

    Yes, because the Church, in its enduring wisdom, understood that unrestrained capitalism leads to all manners of ills, which all of us can witness today.

    The Catholic principle of subsidiarity, both politically and economically, would make for a far more just and happy world, striking the right balance between opportunity and true progress, on one hand, and tradition and security, on the other.

    capitalism developed first in Protestant Northern Europe.

    Like Italy?

    I thought you were sly, but not an ignorant person, but I see that you are very shallowly read in history.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    Like Italy?
     
    Right, everyone knows about the history of the Italian East India Company as the world's first modern corporation.

    If Catholicism is really that great, I suggest that you move to a Catholic country - Mexico is right there across the border. Catholicism has worked great for them. Abortion was always a crime in Mexico, at least until last year.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Twinkie

  126. anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    In the 1980s Jews were actively discriminated against in the CIA from working for the Middle East section.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/71075/the-cias-long-and-winding-road-to-diversity/

    The CIA’s slick new TV and video recruitment ad reflects the image of what I hope the agency sincerely aims to become, since it bears little resemblance to the organization from which I retired barely a year ago. When I joined in the early 1980s, the halls were a sea of White, Christian men. I recall a senior officer seeking to discourage my initial desired assignment at the time to the Near East and South Asia Division of the Directorate of Operations (the Clandestine Service) asking me something like, “So, do you wear being Jewish on your sleeve?” The discriminatory dynamic remains more than skin deep today.

    The self-congratulatory comments I’ve seen on social media of late from former CIA colleagues affirming the agency’s positive diversity record come largely from those who rose to their heights in the discriminatory system that facilitated their success. The “star chamber” of cronyism, steeped in the common backgrounds and experiences of the service’s leadership, remains well-entrenched.

    In fact, two high-ranking division leaders advised that I would be “best-served by considering other divisions where being Jewish was less of a handicap.”

  127. @Rooster16
    After weeks of intense investigations, and $7.2 million of tax payers dollars, the CIA discovered it was just a pull handle on a garage door…

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan

    BTW,Lori Lightfoot is bringing NASCAR to Chicago. Bubba was here today,being black. So,when whites are terrorized by youths doing drag races and “donuts” in their souped up cars,is it really a good idea to bring stock car racing to the streets of Our Town? And have some burly blacketty black be the face of racing?

    I like the old way: Negroes Ain’t Supposed to Come Around Racing.

  128. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    You list the insurrections 'instigated by the CIA' in Central America. Before you do, I'd remind you that the CIA's predecessor was founded in 1942 and there are seven countries in Central America.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Mr. Anon

    Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicarauga, Panama.

    Or do you maintain the CIA was not involved in these places?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    There has never been an insurgency in Panama, the insurgencies in El Salvador and Guatemala were not instigated by the CIA, and neither was one of the two insurgencies in Nicaragua.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @epebble

  129. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    There has been precisely one set of insurrectional groups in C. America supplied by the CIA.

    Wasn't Bay of Pigs a CIA operation as well?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Prester John, @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco

    Cuba is not in Central America. Not much of an insurrection, either.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    Cuba is not in Central America. Not much of an insurrection, either.

    Granted, though I think the point was more the mischief making than the specific location. As regards it being not much of an insurrection, true dat but that just means the CIA was inept at mischief making. One could argue, with some justification, that Bay of Pigs was responsible for the subsequent Cuban Missile Crisis thus demonstrating that inept mischief making can be more dangerous than competent mischief.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  130. @Achmed E. Newman
    @kaganovitch

    He'll get out of that one with "Cuba is not in Central America". Technically that's true.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Art Deco

    Not ‘technically’, actually true. In any case, the Bay of Pigs was over in a few hours.

  131. Then the rest of the article is about how the CIA needs more blacks, or maybe not.

    Why not? America is circling the drain, anyway.

  132. @OilcanFloyd
    @Cagey Beast

    I couldn't finish that video.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @The Last Real Calvinist

    I couldn’t finish that video.

    I’m with you; it’s unbearable.

  133. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    I’m quite aware of Donovan.
     
    "Aware" is an interesting word. Have you even been to the lobby of Langley?

    Catholics also largely replaced Protestants on the Supreme Court. I liked the Court better when it was Protestant.
     
    Of course, you do. The "Protestant" Supreme Court sided with every liberal (heavily Jewish-inflected) social movement in this country.

    right wing Catholics seem caught up in their weird anti-abortion obsession
     
    Yeah, so, so weird, what with the respect for the sanctity of human life and all. You also clearly don't know that the pro-life sentiment is the strongest in the Bible-belt South where Catholicism is not prevalent.

    You don't seem to like Catholics, because we don't take lying down the Jewish-led secularization of this country and fight to preserve Christianity as the public religion in America.


    the Church was never really fully down with capitalism
     
    Yes, because the Church, in its enduring wisdom, understood that unrestrained capitalism leads to all manners of ills, which all of us can witness today.

    The Catholic principle of subsidiarity, both politically and economically, would make for a far more just and happy world, striking the right balance between opportunity and true progress, on one hand, and tradition and security, on the other.


    capitalism developed first in Protestant Northern Europe.
     
    Like Italy?

    I thought you were sly, but not an ignorant person, but I see that you are very shallowly read in history.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Like Italy?

    Right, everyone knows about the history of the Italian East India Company as the world’s first modern corporation.

    If Catholicism is really that great, I suggest that you move to a Catholic country – Mexico is right there across the border. Catholicism has worked great for them. Abortion was always a crime in Mexico, at least until last year.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Remind me what branch of Protestantism the Medicis were in, and which of the Germanies started double-entry bookeeping?

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Right, everyone knows about the history of the Italian East India Company as the world’s first modern corporation.
     
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/business-history-review/article/italy-and-the-origins-of-capitalism/36DAE2BD09C3C98137319FD959D4F6FA

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/business-history-review/article/renaissance-florence-and-the-origins-of-capitalism-a-business-history-perspective/80EDF52FB1199290ECC489EBA73025DD

    https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/227167

    Much of the genesis of capitalism such as modern banking and such arose in late medieval and early Renaissance Italy in places such as Florence.


    Although Max Weber believed that rational capitalism developed initially and primarily under Protestantism, it was born and developed extensively in pre-Reformation Italy. Protestant Europe borrowed its rational business techniques from Italy, then later made its own contribution. Thus, capitalist rationality advanced under both Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, and the religious factor had little effect on its early development.
     
    As for this bit of personal silliness:

    If Catholicism is really that great, I suggest that you move to a Catholic country – Mexico is right there across the border.
     
    If you make Aliyah first, I might consider moving to a Catholic country. Oh, wait, Catholics outnumber adherents of all the other religions, churches and denominations in my metropolitan area. I guess I won't have to.

    Replies: @Jack D, @fredyetagain aka superhonky

  134. @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    Like Italy?
     
    Right, everyone knows about the history of the Italian East India Company as the world's first modern corporation.

    If Catholicism is really that great, I suggest that you move to a Catholic country - Mexico is right there across the border. Catholicism has worked great for them. Abortion was always a crime in Mexico, at least until last year.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Twinkie

    Remind me what branch of Protestantism the Medicis were in, and which of the Germanies started double-entry bookeeping?

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @J.Ross

    What the Medicis did is not capitalism and double entry bookkeeping is not capitalism either.

    Capitalism involves the notion that capital can be gathered from many anonymous owners and synergistically aggregated to achieve a higher return in a large scale enterprise (which in turn could not be created using the wealth of only one man or family no matter how wealthy). Even the Medicis could not have created the Dutch East India Company with just their family wealth.


    Between 1602 and 1796 the VOC sent almost a million Europeans to work in the Asia trade on 4,785 ships, and netted for their efforts more than 2.5 million tons of Asian trade goods.
     
    From the wiki

    Only a large scale stock company with thousands of investors could have built an enterprise on that scale. The essence of capitalism is the existence of a legal structure and intermediaries that allow CAPITAL to flow like water between those who have it and those who can deploy it, so that new wealth can be created.
  135. @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    Cuba is not in Central America. Not much of an insurrection, either.

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Cuba is not in Central America. Not much of an insurrection, either.

    Granted, though I think the point was more the mischief making than the specific location. As regards it being not much of an insurrection, true dat but that just means the CIA was inept at mischief making. One could argue, with some justification, that Bay of Pigs was responsible for the subsequent Cuban Missile Crisis thus demonstrating that inept mischief making can be more dangerous than competent mischief.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @kaganovitch

    One could argue, with some justification, that Bay of Pigs was responsible for the subsequent Cuban Missile Crisis

    Yeah, you could argue that, and you'd lose the argument.

  136. @Thatcher76
    Maybe the noose was honoring Nathan Hale. Or maybe mi6 was trolling Cia; "We hung Nathan Hale."

    Point is, lots of people were hung in old days, not just blacks.

    Replies: @AceDeuce, @Reg Cæsar

    Point is, lots of people were hung in old days, not just blacks.

    No, they were hanged. Afterwards, sometimes parts of their bodies were hung, as gibberish to children and other townspeople.

    Notable incidents of this include King Philip and Joshua Tefft after the King’s eponymous war. They, or their bodies, were drawn and quartered after the gibbeting.

  137. @GSP
    @Muggles

    What’s good for the Noose is good for the Pander?

    CIA on a wild noose chase??

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That is knot funny. 🎀

  138. C’mon, man! The Russians did it.

  139. “Intelligence” agency.

  140. @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    Remind me what branch of Protestantism the Medicis were in, and which of the Germanies started double-entry bookeeping?

    Replies: @Jack D

    What the Medicis did is not capitalism and double entry bookkeeping is not capitalism either.

    Capitalism involves the notion that capital can be gathered from many anonymous owners and synergistically aggregated to achieve a higher return in a large scale enterprise (which in turn could not be created using the wealth of only one man or family no matter how wealthy). Even the Medicis could not have created the Dutch East India Company with just their family wealth.

    Between 1602 and 1796 the VOC sent almost a million Europeans to work in the Asia trade on 4,785 ships, and netted for their efforts more than 2.5 million tons of Asian trade goods.

    From the wiki

    Only a large scale stock company with thousands of investors could have built an enterprise on that scale. The essence of capitalism is the existence of a legal structure and intermediaries that allow CAPITAL to flow like water between those who have it and those who can deploy it, so that new wealth can be created.

  141. @TelfoedJohn
    Spies of enemy nations are currently being instructed in turning shoelaces into makeshift nooses, which have a kryptonite effect on American forces. Iran’s Revolutionary Guard have reportedly shared lace-to-noose methods with the Russians, spurring calls to invade them from leading American military experts based in Tel Aviv.

    Replies: @Pop Warner, @Mike_from_SGV

    China need only airdrop millions of nooses, defaced rainbow flags, and mutilated BLM signs, and our military and ruling class will collapse weeping in the fetal position. Then they can waltz in and take over.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Mike_from_SGV

    Millions? From all appearances a dozen or two should do the trick.

    , @TelfoedJohn
    @Mike_from_SGV

    VP Justine Smollett will end up faking nooses on the White House lawn as an excuse to take over.

  142. @Jack D
    @Twinkie


    Like Italy?
     
    Right, everyone knows about the history of the Italian East India Company as the world's first modern corporation.

    If Catholicism is really that great, I suggest that you move to a Catholic country - Mexico is right there across the border. Catholicism has worked great for them. Abortion was always a crime in Mexico, at least until last year.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Twinkie

    Right, everyone knows about the history of the Italian East India Company as the world’s first modern corporation.

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/business-history-review/article/italy-and-the-origins-of-capitalism/36DAE2BD09C3C98137319FD959D4F6FA

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/business-history-review/article/renaissance-florence-and-the-origins-of-capitalism-a-business-history-perspective/80EDF52FB1199290ECC489EBA73025DD

    https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/227167

    Much of the genesis of capitalism such as modern banking and such arose in late medieval and early Renaissance Italy in places such as Florence.

    Although Max Weber believed that rational capitalism developed initially and primarily under Protestantism, it was born and developed extensively in pre-Reformation Italy. Protestant Europe borrowed its rational business techniques from Italy, then later made its own contribution. Thus, capitalist rationality advanced under both Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, and the religious factor had little effect on its early development.

    As for this bit of personal silliness:

    If Catholicism is really that great, I suggest that you move to a Catholic country – Mexico is right there across the border.

    If you make Aliyah first, I might consider moving to a Catholic country. Oh, wait, Catholics outnumber adherents of all the other religions, churches and denominations in my metropolitan area. I guess I won’t have to.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    So I am in good company with Weber. Weber himself did not believe in monocausal explanations - success has many fathers (and failure is an orphan). Obviously there were early prot0-capitalist antecedents to the Dutch East India Company (although the Lombard "banks" were more akin to pawn shops than modern banks - in many language Lombard is the word for pawn shop to this day) but the VOC pioneered the concept of issuing equity certificates or "stock" that is essential to a capitalist economy. Lending has its limits because it is (to this day) generally based on the concept of collateral (in order to get a loan you already have to own an asset) whereas true capitalism requires risk capital (equity) that is backed by nothing but the hope of a future (big) payoff. This is a major conceptual leap.

    Doing econometric research in historic periods is difficult because no one gathered data in the way we do today but it is clear that at some point the Protestant northern cities such as Amsterdam and London became much more prosperous than Catholic Naples or Palermo.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @Twinkie

    Agree with Twinkie that Jack should make aliyah, and please God, never come back.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @thenon

  143. @AndrewR
    @J.Ross

    Apparently he was drunk. I always drive slower when I've been drinking. It's necessary to compensate for decreased reaction time. I don't understand how people could hit 100 mph. I don't even like going that fast when I'm sober unless it's on an empty, straight road with a clear line of sight for at least a quarter mile in every direction. Maybe this is one of the upsides of my anxiety disorder: it doesn't go away when I drink and drive

    Replies: @J.Ross, @duncsbaby

    AndrewR – Don’t drink and drive! Your anxiety order will only get worse if you spend a night in jail. As well it’s gonna screw up any international travel plans you may have for the future. Canada for one denies entry for any Yank w/a DUI on their record.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @duncsbaby

    I guarantee I drive better at 0.08 than the at least a quarter of drivers drive at 0.00.

    But my sweet spot is about 0.03 because my normal anxiety is reduced a bit. When I'm sober I sometimes drive too cautiously to the point where other drivers react in ways that are more dangerous than if I was driving less cautiously.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Gabe Ruth
    @duncsbaby

    Just wow, canucks. Fascist much?

  144. @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    Cuba is not in Central America. Not much of an insurrection, either.

    Granted, though I think the point was more the mischief making than the specific location. As regards it being not much of an insurrection, true dat but that just means the CIA was inept at mischief making. One could argue, with some justification, that Bay of Pigs was responsible for the subsequent Cuban Missile Crisis thus demonstrating that inept mischief making can be more dangerous than competent mischief.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    One could argue, with some justification, that Bay of Pigs was responsible for the subsequent Cuban Missile Crisis

    Yeah, you could argue that, and you’d lose the argument.

  145. @Achmed E. Newman
    I am glad the CIA is so easily distracted. This investigation may take enough manpower so that there will be one less war instigated in a Central American country. Did they ever figure out that the Soviet Union was about to fall yet?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Art Deco, @Currahee, @Not Raul, @anon

    “russians are gonna invade ukraine.”
    “look a squirrel!”

  146. @duncsbaby
    @AndrewR

    AndrewR - Don't drink and drive! Your anxiety order will only get worse if you spend a night in jail. As well it's gonna screw up any international travel plans you may have for the future. Canada for one denies entry for any Yank w/a DUI on their record.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Gabe Ruth

    I guarantee I drive better at 0.08 than the at least a quarter of drivers drive at 0.00.

    But my sweet spot is about 0.03 because my normal anxiety is reduced a bit. When I’m sober I sometimes drive too cautiously to the point where other drivers react in ways that are more dangerous than if I was driving less cautiously.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @AndrewR


    I guarantee I drive better at 0.08 than the at least a quarter of drivers drive at 0.00.
     
    https://twitter.com/Swamp_Bastard/status/1549741029061951489
  147. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "You know who you are."

    I know exactly who Art is: the holder of the Buddy Ebsen pix. I want them. I need those pix.

    Replies: @duncsbaby

  148. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Right, everyone knows about the history of the Italian East India Company as the world’s first modern corporation.
     
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/business-history-review/article/italy-and-the-origins-of-capitalism/36DAE2BD09C3C98137319FD959D4F6FA

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/business-history-review/article/renaissance-florence-and-the-origins-of-capitalism-a-business-history-perspective/80EDF52FB1199290ECC489EBA73025DD

    https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/227167

    Much of the genesis of capitalism such as modern banking and such arose in late medieval and early Renaissance Italy in places such as Florence.


    Although Max Weber believed that rational capitalism developed initially and primarily under Protestantism, it was born and developed extensively in pre-Reformation Italy. Protestant Europe borrowed its rational business techniques from Italy, then later made its own contribution. Thus, capitalist rationality advanced under both Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, and the religious factor had little effect on its early development.
     
    As for this bit of personal silliness:

    If Catholicism is really that great, I suggest that you move to a Catholic country – Mexico is right there across the border.
     
    If you make Aliyah first, I might consider moving to a Catholic country. Oh, wait, Catholics outnumber adherents of all the other religions, churches and denominations in my metropolitan area. I guess I won't have to.

    Replies: @Jack D, @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    So I am in good company with Weber. Weber himself did not believe in monocausal explanations – success has many fathers (and failure is an orphan). Obviously there were early prot0-capitalist antecedents to the Dutch East India Company (although the Lombard “banks” were more akin to pawn shops than modern banks – in many language Lombard is the word for pawn shop to this day) but the VOC pioneered the concept of issuing equity certificates or “stock” that is essential to a capitalist economy. Lending has its limits because it is (to this day) generally based on the concept of collateral (in order to get a loan you already have to own an asset) whereas true capitalism requires risk capital (equity) that is backed by nothing but the hope of a future (big) payoff. This is a major conceptual leap.

    Doing econometric research in historic periods is difficult because no one gathered data in the way we do today but it is clear that at some point the Protestant northern cities such as Amsterdam and London became much more prosperous than Catholic Naples or Palermo.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    So I am in good company with Weber.
     
    Weber's been proven wrong since, so you go ahead.

    at some point the Protestant northern cities such as Amsterdam and London became much more prosperous than Catholic Naples or Palermo.
     
    That's more deceitful argumentation from you. No one ever claimed capitalism arose out of Naples or Palermo, the two underdeveloped regions in Southern Italy.

    Capitalism arose in Northern Italy, which was also Catholic - several hundred years before the rise of the Protestant Northern economies.


    the VOC pioneered the concept of issuing equity certificates or “stock” that is essential to a capitalist economy.
     
    The concept of shareholders was not pioneered by the Dutch or the English, but was borrowed and enlarged by them from the Northern Italian commercial republics. Read the links I provided. Do you even realize where the Dutch got many of these ideas? Do you know to which polity the Dutch belonged before the Thirty Years War? It was a part of the (Catholic) Spanish Habsburg Empire. Indeed, during the Thirty Years' War, "The Spanish Road" that supplied the Habsburg troops in the Low Countries ran from Florence and Genoa in Italy to the former.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/CaminoEspa%C3%B1ol.svg


    The genesis of modernity, including, yes, capitalism, began with the Renaissance in Catholic Italy. Who do you think sponsored all those European universities in the late medieval times that led to this Renaissance? It was the Catholic Church. Read some history: https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/education/catholic-contributions/the-catholic-church-and-the-creation-of-the-university.html


    The papacy played a central if not exclusive role in the establishment and encouragement of the universities. Naturally, the granting of a charter to a university was one indication of this papal role. Some 81 universities had been established by the time of the Reformation. Of these 33 possessed a papal charter, 15 a royal or imperial one, 20 possessed both, and 13 had none.
     

    Replies: @nebulafox

  149. Serious answer?

    Director Burns is in the middle of a media charm offensive – he’s on the front page of Apple podcasts being lovingly profiled by the New Media this month.

    So this is probably an excuse for him to say ‘diversity’ and then the ‘journalist’ will slip in another narrative they are pushing.

  150. @Jack D
    @Twinkie

    So I am in good company with Weber. Weber himself did not believe in monocausal explanations - success has many fathers (and failure is an orphan). Obviously there were early prot0-capitalist antecedents to the Dutch East India Company (although the Lombard "banks" were more akin to pawn shops than modern banks - in many language Lombard is the word for pawn shop to this day) but the VOC pioneered the concept of issuing equity certificates or "stock" that is essential to a capitalist economy. Lending has its limits because it is (to this day) generally based on the concept of collateral (in order to get a loan you already have to own an asset) whereas true capitalism requires risk capital (equity) that is backed by nothing but the hope of a future (big) payoff. This is a major conceptual leap.

    Doing econometric research in historic periods is difficult because no one gathered data in the way we do today but it is clear that at some point the Protestant northern cities such as Amsterdam and London became much more prosperous than Catholic Naples or Palermo.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    So I am in good company with Weber.

    Weber’s been proven wrong since, so you go ahead.

    at some point the Protestant northern cities such as Amsterdam and London became much more prosperous than Catholic Naples or Palermo.

    That’s more deceitful argumentation from you. No one ever claimed capitalism arose out of Naples or Palermo, the two underdeveloped regions in Southern Italy.

    Capitalism arose in Northern Italy, which was also Catholic – several hundred years before the rise of the Protestant Northern economies.

    the VOC pioneered the concept of issuing equity certificates or “stock” that is essential to a capitalist economy.

    The concept of shareholders was not pioneered by the Dutch or the English, but was borrowed and enlarged by them from the Northern Italian commercial republics. Read the links I provided. Do you even realize where the Dutch got many of these ideas? Do you know to which polity the Dutch belonged before the Thirty Years War? It was a part of the (Catholic) Spanish Habsburg Empire. Indeed, during the Thirty Years’ War, “The Spanish Road” that supplied the Habsburg troops in the Low Countries ran from Florence and Genoa in Italy to the former.

    The genesis of modernity, including, yes, capitalism, began with the Renaissance in Catholic Italy. Who do you think sponsored all those European universities in the late medieval times that led to this Renaissance? It was the Catholic Church. Read some history: https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/education/catholic-contributions/the-catholic-church-and-the-creation-of-the-university.html

    The papacy played a central if not exclusive role in the establishment and encouragement of the universities. Naturally, the granting of a charter to a university was one indication of this papal role. Some 81 universities had been established by the time of the Reformation. Of these 33 possessed a papal charter, 15 a royal or imperial one, 20 possessed both, and 13 had none.

    • Agree: nebulafox
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    Don't forget the Most Serene Republic of Venice, whose history with the genesis of capitalism went back well into the medieval era.

    One reason I like working in the fields I do is because it's the closest I can get to an analogous role in this century.

  151. @Jack D
    @Art Deco


    CIA agents who’ve been publicly vociferous (Philip Agee, Frank Snepp, Michael Scheuer, Valerie Plame) or whose history is publicly known (Aldrich Ames) don’t come across as impressive characters.
     
    Maybe this is a selection effect. If a CIA agent does his job properly you'll never even know that he is a CIA agent, let alone what he has accomplished on behalf of our country. The ones we know about are the loudmouths and the screwups.


    That being said, like any modern bureaucracy, the CIA is going to have 50 paper pushers and time servers and self promoters for every truly valuable person. And most CIA agents would prefer to spend their time safely at a desk somewhere in Northern Virginia and not slogging thru some malaria infested jungle being pursued by guerillas.

    Part of the problem is, I think, the decline of the WASP. The CIA used to be a sort of old boy's WASP club but like the Supreme Court the WASPs seem to have disappeared. The ones that were left, like Aldrich Ames, were the shallow end of the gene pool - WASPism declined into a sort of John Cheeverish decadent swamp of alcoholism and infidelity and homosexuality and suicide. (The same thing happens to any successful group - you have Joe Biden risen from humble beginnings all the way to the White House (never mind the dog's breakfast he created once he got there or how illegitimate his ascent was) but then you have Hunter who is a total mess.) WASPism always had that side, which was generally kept hidden from the public (paging Alger Hiss) but it also had its heroic side that won two world wars and a Cold War - if that still exists it is well hidden.

    The end of the Cold War meant that the CIA didn't really have much of critical importance to do. Despite the problems that the Russians are currently causing in Ukraine, I don't think that they present the same threat of subversion in the West that the Communists did because Putinism is an ideology that is completely bereft of appeal in the West (except for maybe 5 guys who post on unz). The whole phony "the Russians are undermining the election" narrative shows what little threat they are. Or if there was a real threat, that wasn't it. But the fact that the Washington establishment got so ginned up about it is, like noose hysteria, not a good sign.

    The Soviets themselves were never the super efficient villains portrayed during the Cold War but today's Russian agents are even more clownish. They are the same paper pushers and time servers and self promoters that we have in the CIA except not as good. They haven't caught up with modern technology where there are cameras everywhere, databases that are leaked, etc. The way that the agents who tried to poison Skirpal were unmasked and their true identity and movements traced minute by minute was surely humiliating to the Russian intelligence services, not that they would ever admit it. (And their response, putting Agents Mishkin and Chepiga on TV and having them claim that they were tourists who had visited Salisbury only to see the famous clock was even more humiliating.)

    The Chinese however represent a real threat. There is now a vast group of Chinese living in the West. Most of them are just harmless and hardworking immigrants but there are surely a large number of agents sprinkled among them.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Art Deco, @Greta Handel, @Twinkie, @LondonBob

    The Soviet’s were only an issue because of the Jewish fifth column in the West, otherwise they would have been similarly ineffective.

    To paraphrase yourself ‘There is now a vast group of Jews living in the West. Most of them are just harmless and hardworking immigrants but there are surely a large number of agents sprinkled among them.”

    Problem is the intelligence agencies are going after the wrong targets due to political pressures. Nothing subtle about what the Israelis and the SPLC are up to, just too many cowards to point it out.

  152. @duncsbaby
    @AndrewR

    AndrewR - Don't drink and drive! Your anxiety order will only get worse if you spend a night in jail. As well it's gonna screw up any international travel plans you may have for the future. Canada for one denies entry for any Yank w/a DUI on their record.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Gabe Ruth

    Just wow, canucks. Fascist much?

  153. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    Right, everyone knows about the history of the Italian East India Company as the world’s first modern corporation.
     
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/business-history-review/article/italy-and-the-origins-of-capitalism/36DAE2BD09C3C98137319FD959D4F6FA

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/business-history-review/article/renaissance-florence-and-the-origins-of-capitalism-a-business-history-perspective/80EDF52FB1199290ECC489EBA73025DD

    https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/227167

    Much of the genesis of capitalism such as modern banking and such arose in late medieval and early Renaissance Italy in places such as Florence.


    Although Max Weber believed that rational capitalism developed initially and primarily under Protestantism, it was born and developed extensively in pre-Reformation Italy. Protestant Europe borrowed its rational business techniques from Italy, then later made its own contribution. Thus, capitalist rationality advanced under both Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, and the religious factor had little effect on its early development.
     
    As for this bit of personal silliness:

    If Catholicism is really that great, I suggest that you move to a Catholic country – Mexico is right there across the border.
     
    If you make Aliyah first, I might consider moving to a Catholic country. Oh, wait, Catholics outnumber adherents of all the other religions, churches and denominations in my metropolitan area. I guess I won't have to.

    Replies: @Jack D, @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Agree with Twinkie that Jack should make aliyah, and please God, never come back.

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky


    Agree with Twinkie that Jack should make aliyah, and please God, never come back.
     
    Unfortunately, Israel also has high speed internet, so even if Jack D makes Aliyah, we'll never be rid of him here. If anything, we'll hear endless crowing about how awesome and a real country Israeli is and how we are all doomed to be ruled over by black women for eternity.
    , @thenon
    @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    Jack D is a very necessary member of our community
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_Y&t=10s

  154. @Twinkie
    @Jack D


    So I am in good company with Weber.
     
    Weber's been proven wrong since, so you go ahead.

    at some point the Protestant northern cities such as Amsterdam and London became much more prosperous than Catholic Naples or Palermo.
     
    That's more deceitful argumentation from you. No one ever claimed capitalism arose out of Naples or Palermo, the two underdeveloped regions in Southern Italy.

    Capitalism arose in Northern Italy, which was also Catholic - several hundred years before the rise of the Protestant Northern economies.


    the VOC pioneered the concept of issuing equity certificates or “stock” that is essential to a capitalist economy.
     
    The concept of shareholders was not pioneered by the Dutch or the English, but was borrowed and enlarged by them from the Northern Italian commercial republics. Read the links I provided. Do you even realize where the Dutch got many of these ideas? Do you know to which polity the Dutch belonged before the Thirty Years War? It was a part of the (Catholic) Spanish Habsburg Empire. Indeed, during the Thirty Years' War, "The Spanish Road" that supplied the Habsburg troops in the Low Countries ran from Florence and Genoa in Italy to the former.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/CaminoEspa%C3%B1ol.svg


    The genesis of modernity, including, yes, capitalism, began with the Renaissance in Catholic Italy. Who do you think sponsored all those European universities in the late medieval times that led to this Renaissance? It was the Catholic Church. Read some history: https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/education/catholic-contributions/the-catholic-church-and-the-creation-of-the-university.html


    The papacy played a central if not exclusive role in the establishment and encouragement of the universities. Naturally, the granting of a charter to a university was one indication of this papal role. Some 81 universities had been established by the time of the Reformation. Of these 33 possessed a papal charter, 15 a royal or imperial one, 20 possessed both, and 13 had none.
     

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Don’t forget the Most Serene Republic of Venice, whose history with the genesis of capitalism went back well into the medieval era.

    One reason I like working in the fields I do is because it’s the closest I can get to an analogous role in this century.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  155. The papacy played a central if not exclusive role in the establishment and encouragement of the universities. Naturally, the granting of a charter to a university was one indication of this papal role. Some 81 universities had been established by the time of the Reformation. Of these 33 possessed a papal charter, 15 a royal or imperial one, 20 possessed both, and 13 had none.

    I say:

    Dutch Reformed Church in colonial New Jersey started Queen’s College which became Rutgers.

    Swedes and Dutch graciously made way for the English between the Hudson and the Delaware and all points in every direction.

    I once told a ploppy Baby Boomer politician named Frelinghuysen that his mass immigration boosterism was rancid and treasonous and vile.

  156. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicarauga, Panama.

    Or do you maintain the CIA was not involved in these places?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    There has never been an insurgency in Panama, the insurgencies in El Salvador and Guatemala were not instigated by the CIA, and neither was one of the two insurgencies in Nicaragua.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    How do you know that the insurgency in Nicaragua was not instigated by the CIA? Because they said so? That is a foolishly naive belief. Upon what basis do you claim that? What special knowledge do you have? Were you in the habit of taking afternoon tea with Bill Casey? The Contras were supported by the US Government. Wouldn't the CIA take some part in that?

    Anyway, I don't care about this or that insurgency. I care about our government f**king around in other people's business. That is a good deal of the job of the CIA, and clearly they have been busy at that in latin America, including Central America.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @epebble
    @Art Deco


    In 1952, the CIA launched Operation PBFortune and, in 1954, Operation PBSuccess to depose the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and ended the Guatemalan Revolution. The coup installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed dictators who ruled Guatemala. Guatemala subsequently plunged into a civil war that cost thousands of lives and ended all democratic expression for decades

     


    The National Conciliation Party (PCN) had held a firm grasp on Salvadoran politics since the 1961 Salvadoran Constitutional Assembly election and the 1962 Salvadoran presidential election, following the dissolutions of both the Junta of Government in 1961 and the Civic-Military Directory in 1962. The PCN government was supported by the United States since its government style, a military dictatorship, was seen as "the most effective [way of] containing Communist penetration in Latin America." The Salvadoran National Guard was equipped and trained by the United States and the CIA, both of which directly supported the PCN regime
     

    The Contras were the various U.S.-backed and funded right-wing rebel groups that were active from 1979 to 1990 in opposition to the Marxist Sandinista Junta of National Reconstruction Government in Nicaragua which came to power in 1979 following the Nicaraguan Revolution

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Salvadoran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon

  157. @AndrewR
    @duncsbaby

    I guarantee I drive better at 0.08 than the at least a quarter of drivers drive at 0.00.

    But my sweet spot is about 0.03 because my normal anxiety is reduced a bit. When I'm sober I sometimes drive too cautiously to the point where other drivers react in ways that are more dangerous than if I was driving less cautiously.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I guarantee I drive better at 0.08 than the at least a quarter of drivers drive at 0.00.

    • LOL: AndrewR
  158. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT - the iSteve commentariat are an educated bunch - which famous painting is this a parody of?

    And who are the other people apart from Biden, Boris and Zelensky? Macron to her first right?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYDP_oCWAAIw2qj.png

    Replies: @Charlotte

    Unequal Marriage by Vasilii Purkiev

    https://arthive.com/artists/42~Vasily_Vladimirovich_Pukirev/works/386081~The_unequal_marriage

    Back row: Mario Draghi, Olaf Scholz, Ursula von der Leyen, Biden, Boris, Macron, Justin Trudeau.

    I’m not a hundred percent sure of Draghi and Scholz, but they seem to fit.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Charlotte

    Thank you - without knowing the painting it was difficult to parse the allegory.

    So beautiful and innocent Zelensky is being tied irretrievably to the aged and dissolute US. Ideally the figure far right should have been Putin, arms folded, giving Biden dark looks and swearing revenge.

  159. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    There has never been an insurgency in Panama, the insurgencies in El Salvador and Guatemala were not instigated by the CIA, and neither was one of the two insurgencies in Nicaragua.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @epebble

    How do you know that the insurgency in Nicaragua was not instigated by the CIA? Because they said so? That is a foolishly naive belief. Upon what basis do you claim that? What special knowledge do you have? Were you in the habit of taking afternoon tea with Bill Casey? The Contras were supported by the US Government. Wouldn’t the CIA take some part in that?

    Anyway, I don’t care about this or that insurgency. I care about our government f**king around in other people’s business. That is a good deal of the job of the CIA, and clearly they have been busy at that in latin America, including Central America.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    No, the Sandinista insurgency was not instigated by the CIA. The contra insurgency was.


    I care about our government f**king around in other people’s business.

    You haven't a clear and implementable idea of what is our business and what is not.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Mr. Anon

  160. @Currahee
    @Mr. Anon

    Not funny at all: back in the day these agencies were targeting Communists (friends of the liberals).

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Not funny at all: back in the day these agencies were targeting Communists (friends of the liberals).

    I mean even non-communist liberals, of whom there were many.

  161. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    There has never been an insurgency in Panama, the insurgencies in El Salvador and Guatemala were not instigated by the CIA, and neither was one of the two insurgencies in Nicaragua.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @epebble

    In 1952, the CIA launched Operation PBFortune and, in 1954, Operation PBSuccess to depose the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and ended the Guatemalan Revolution. The coup installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed dictators who ruled Guatemala. Guatemala subsequently plunged into a civil war that cost thousands of lives and ended all democratic expression for decades

    The National Conciliation Party (PCN) had held a firm grasp on Salvadoran politics since the 1961 Salvadoran Constitutional Assembly election and the 1962 Salvadoran presidential election, following the dissolutions of both the Junta of Government in 1961 and the Civic-Military Directory in 1962. The PCN government was supported by the United States since its government style, a military dictatorship, was seen as “the most effective [way of] containing Communist penetration in Latin America.” The Salvadoran National Guard was equipped and trained by the United States and the CIA, both of which directly supported the PCN regime

    The Contras were the various U.S.-backed and funded right-wing rebel groups that were active from 1979 to 1990 in opposition to the Marxist Sandinista Junta of National Reconstruction Government in Nicaragua which came to power in 1979 following the Nicaraguan Revolution

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Salvadoran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @epebble

    epebble, do you understand what an 'insurgency' is? Can you be bothered to read what I've actually written if you're going to respond to me?

    There has been one insurgency in Guatemala in the years since 1942. It started in 1960 and ebbed and flowed over the decades. It was largely suppressed during the years running from 1982-84, with a great deal of bloodshed. It was formally concluded with an armistice in 1996. It was not instigated by the CIA.

    The Arevalo-Arbenz regime was more of a one-party dominant political machine state like Mexico's than it was like Costa Rica's competitive system. Arbenz himself was in office because his principal political rival had a nasty car accident in 1949. He was also pro-Soviet and doing deals with Soviet satellites to arm a new militia.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @epebble

    It is worthless arguing with Art Deco. He is a supercilious clown who believes whatever official media he consumes from his perch in whatever university library he works at. He's an old and irrelevant nobody whose opinion matters to no one.

  162. @Mike_from_SGV
    @TelfoedJohn

    China need only airdrop millions of nooses, defaced rainbow flags, and mutilated BLM signs, and our military and ruling class will collapse weeping in the fetal position. Then they can waltz in and take over.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @TelfoedJohn

    Millions? From all appearances a dozen or two should do the trick.

  163. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @Twinkie

    Agree with Twinkie that Jack should make aliyah, and please God, never come back.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @thenon

    Agree with Twinkie that Jack should make aliyah, and please God, never come back.

    Unfortunately, Israel also has high speed internet, so even if Jack D makes Aliyah, we’ll never be rid of him here. If anything, we’ll hear endless crowing about how awesome and a real country Israeli is and how we are all doomed to be ruled over by black women for eternity.

  164. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco

    How do you know that the insurgency in Nicaragua was not instigated by the CIA? Because they said so? That is a foolishly naive belief. Upon what basis do you claim that? What special knowledge do you have? Were you in the habit of taking afternoon tea with Bill Casey? The Contras were supported by the US Government. Wouldn't the CIA take some part in that?

    Anyway, I don't care about this or that insurgency. I care about our government f**king around in other people's business. That is a good deal of the job of the CIA, and clearly they have been busy at that in latin America, including Central America.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    No, the Sandinista insurgency was not instigated by the CIA. The contra insurgency was.

    I care about our government f**king around in other people’s business.

    You haven’t a clear and implementable idea of what is our business and what is not.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Art Deco

    The ways in which a man uses or succumbs to pronoun propaganda is indicative of his fundamental view of himself relative to his rulers.

    Here, their respective uses of the word “our” show that, while Mr. Anon sees himself as distinct from


    our government [that’s] f**king around in other people’s business
     
    Art Deco naturally identifies with it in his reply. Just read Art’s last sentence again with the distinction in mind:

    You haven’t a clear and implementable idea of what is our business and what is not.
     
    Propagandists have used this technique among many others (the Pledge of Allegiance, naming bridges and soon enough culverts after dead soldiers and honoring their surviving Gold Star families, camouflaged baseball uniforms and standing ovations for Wounded Warriors on the mound) to make Americans the most Exceptionally! brainwashed society on Earth.

    {#168}

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    No, the Sandinista insurgency was not instigated by the CIA. The contra insurgency was.
     
    I was talking about the Contras, idiot.

    You haven’t a clear and implementable idea of what is our business and what is not.
     
    Yes, I most certainly do. Your idea seems to be to follow the same policies that have turned America into what it is today. You appear to be a toady to power who believes everything he reads in the Times or WaPo.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  165. @epebble
    @Art Deco


    In 1952, the CIA launched Operation PBFortune and, in 1954, Operation PBSuccess to depose the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and ended the Guatemalan Revolution. The coup installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed dictators who ruled Guatemala. Guatemala subsequently plunged into a civil war that cost thousands of lives and ended all democratic expression for decades

     


    The National Conciliation Party (PCN) had held a firm grasp on Salvadoran politics since the 1961 Salvadoran Constitutional Assembly election and the 1962 Salvadoran presidential election, following the dissolutions of both the Junta of Government in 1961 and the Civic-Military Directory in 1962. The PCN government was supported by the United States since its government style, a military dictatorship, was seen as "the most effective [way of] containing Communist penetration in Latin America." The Salvadoran National Guard was equipped and trained by the United States and the CIA, both of which directly supported the PCN regime
     

    The Contras were the various U.S.-backed and funded right-wing rebel groups that were active from 1979 to 1990 in opposition to the Marxist Sandinista Junta of National Reconstruction Government in Nicaragua which came to power in 1979 following the Nicaraguan Revolution

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Salvadoran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon

    epebble, do you understand what an ‘insurgency’ is? Can you be bothered to read what I’ve actually written if you’re going to respond to me?

    There has been one insurgency in Guatemala in the years since 1942. It started in 1960 and ebbed and flowed over the decades. It was largely suppressed during the years running from 1982-84, with a great deal of bloodshed. It was formally concluded with an armistice in 1996. It was not instigated by the CIA.

    The Arevalo-Arbenz regime was more of a one-party dominant political machine state like Mexico’s than it was like Costa Rica’s competitive system. Arbenz himself was in office because his principal political rival had a nasty car accident in 1949. He was also pro-Soviet and doing deals with Soviet satellites to arm a new militia.

  166. @Charlotte
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Unequal Marriage by Vasilii Purkiev

    https://arthive.com/artists/42~Vasily_Vladimirovich_Pukirev/works/386081~The_unequal_marriage

    Back row: Mario Draghi, Olaf Scholz, Ursula von der Leyen, Biden, Boris, Macron, Justin Trudeau.

    I’m not a hundred percent sure of Draghi and Scholz, but they seem to fit.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Thank you – without knowing the painting it was difficult to parse the allegory.

    So beautiful and innocent Zelensky is being tied irretrievably to the aged and dissolute US. Ideally the figure far right should have been Putin, arms folded, giving Biden dark looks and swearing revenge.

  167. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    No, the Sandinista insurgency was not instigated by the CIA. The contra insurgency was.


    I care about our government f**king around in other people’s business.

    You haven't a clear and implementable idea of what is our business and what is not.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Mr. Anon

    The ways in which a man uses or succumbs to pronoun propaganda is indicative of his fundamental view of himself relative to his rulers.

    Here, their respective uses of the word “our” show that, while Mr. Anon sees himself as distinct from

    our government [that’s] f**king around in other people’s business

    Art Deco naturally identifies with it in his reply. Just read Art’s last sentence again with the distinction in mind:

    You haven’t a clear and implementable idea of what is our business and what is not.

    Propagandists have used this technique among many others (the Pledge of Allegiance, naming bridges and soon enough culverts after dead soldiers and honoring their surviving Gold Star families, camouflaged baseball uniforms and standing ovations for Wounded Warriors on the mound) to make Americans the most Exceptionally! brainwashed society on Earth.

    {#168}

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Greta Handel

    I'm sure you found these remarks coherent as you were typing them.

    Replies: @Greta Handel

  168. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    No, the Sandinista insurgency was not instigated by the CIA. The contra insurgency was.


    I care about our government f**king around in other people’s business.

    You haven't a clear and implementable idea of what is our business and what is not.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @Mr. Anon

    No, the Sandinista insurgency was not instigated by the CIA. The contra insurgency was.

    I was talking about the Contras, idiot.

    You haven’t a clear and implementable idea of what is our business and what is not.

    Yes, I most certainly do. Your idea seems to be to follow the same policies that have turned America into what it is today. You appear to be a toady to power who believes everything he reads in the Times or WaPo.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    I was talking about the Contras, idiot.

    It's a subject I alluded to in my remark of July 19, 2022 at 1:08 pm GMT before you thought you had to huff and puff and bloooww my house down yet again.


    Yes, I most certainly do.

    No you don't, beyond recitation of paulbot shticks.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  169. @epebble
    @Art Deco


    In 1952, the CIA launched Operation PBFortune and, in 1954, Operation PBSuccess to depose the democratically elected Guatemalan President Jacobo Árbenz and ended the Guatemalan Revolution. The coup installed the military dictatorship of Carlos Castillo Armas, the first in a series of U.S.-backed dictators who ruled Guatemala. Guatemala subsequently plunged into a civil war that cost thousands of lives and ended all democratic expression for decades

     


    The National Conciliation Party (PCN) had held a firm grasp on Salvadoran politics since the 1961 Salvadoran Constitutional Assembly election and the 1962 Salvadoran presidential election, following the dissolutions of both the Junta of Government in 1961 and the Civic-Military Directory in 1962. The PCN government was supported by the United States since its government style, a military dictatorship, was seen as "the most effective [way of] containing Communist penetration in Latin America." The Salvadoran National Guard was equipped and trained by the United States and the CIA, both of which directly supported the PCN regime
     

    The Contras were the various U.S.-backed and funded right-wing rebel groups that were active from 1979 to 1990 in opposition to the Marxist Sandinista Junta of National Reconstruction Government in Nicaragua which came to power in 1979 following the Nicaraguan Revolution

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Salvadoran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Mr. Anon

    It is worthless arguing with Art Deco. He is a supercilious clown who believes whatever official media he consumes from his perch in whatever university library he works at. He’s an old and irrelevant nobody whose opinion matters to no one.

  170. In 1952, the CIA launched Operation PBFortune

    equipped and trained by the United States and the CIA,

    U.S.-backed

    I watched Congressional debates on CIA helping the insurgents.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @epebble

    Thanks to internet. Nothing can be forgotten.


    JANUARY 28, 1988

    Contra Aid and Nicaragua

    Adolfo Calero, a member of the Nicaraguan Resistance Movement, talked about an upcoming vote in Congress to provide aid to Nicaraguan rebels. He also answered questions from viewers.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?174-1/contra-aid-nicaragua
     
  171. @epebble
    In 1952, the CIA launched Operation PBFortune

    equipped and trained by the United States and the CIA,

    U.S.-backed


    I watched Congressional debates on CIA helping the insurgents.

    Replies: @epebble

    Thanks to internet. Nothing can be forgotten.

    JANUARY 28, 1988

    Contra Aid and Nicaragua

    Adolfo Calero, a member of the Nicaraguan Resistance Movement, talked about an upcoming vote in Congress to provide aid to Nicaraguan rebels. He also answered questions from viewers.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?174-1/contra-aid-nicaragua

  172. @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @Twinkie

    Agree with Twinkie that Jack should make aliyah, and please God, never come back.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @thenon

    Jack D is a very necessary member of our community

  173. @Charles Pewitt
    Abolish The CIA Now!

    I believe the CIA has a black budget bonanza of conjured up loot from the Federal Reserve Bank.

    "I believe my baby has a black cat bone."

    https://youtu.be/sVLt8TAakaQ

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    The main source of CIA black money is the drug trade, Started with the Korean War metastasized with Vietnam. South America was the CIA crack source scourge – Ask Gary Webb, and Bill Clinton if you want to be Arkencided and let’s not forget about the Taliban having eradicated Poppies in Afghanistan.

  174. @Greta Handel
    @Art Deco

    The ways in which a man uses or succumbs to pronoun propaganda is indicative of his fundamental view of himself relative to his rulers.

    Here, their respective uses of the word “our” show that, while Mr. Anon sees himself as distinct from


    our government [that’s] f**king around in other people’s business
     
    Art Deco naturally identifies with it in his reply. Just read Art’s last sentence again with the distinction in mind:

    You haven’t a clear and implementable idea of what is our business and what is not.
     
    Propagandists have used this technique among many others (the Pledge of Allegiance, naming bridges and soon enough culverts after dead soldiers and honoring their surviving Gold Star families, camouflaged baseball uniforms and standing ovations for Wounded Warriors on the mound) to make Americans the most Exceptionally! brainwashed society on Earth.

    {#168}

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I’m sure you found these remarks coherent as you were typing them.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    @Art Deco

    And if you want an indication of Art’s intellectual honesty, search his comment archive for “coherent.”

    Not his first use of this retort.

    {#178}

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  175. @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    No, the Sandinista insurgency was not instigated by the CIA. The contra insurgency was.
     
    I was talking about the Contras, idiot.

    You haven’t a clear and implementable idea of what is our business and what is not.
     
    Yes, I most certainly do. Your idea seems to be to follow the same policies that have turned America into what it is today. You appear to be a toady to power who believes everything he reads in the Times or WaPo.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    I was talking about the Contras, idiot.

    It’s a subject I alluded to in my remark of July 19, 2022 at 1:08 pm GMT before you thought you had to huff and puff and bloooww my house down yet again.

    Yes, I most certainly do.

    No you don’t, beyond recitation of paulbot shticks.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Art Deco


    It’s a subject I alluded to in my remark of July 19, 2022 at 1:08 pm GMT before you thought you had to huff and puff and bloooww my house down yet again.
     
    No one has to huff and puff to blow down your stack of reference books, librarian.

    Your "I know everything" act is wearing thin. You are not an expert, nor indeed are you even really smart. You are just a petulant old fool.
  176. @Art Deco
    @Greta Handel

    I'm sure you found these remarks coherent as you were typing them.

    Replies: @Greta Handel

    And if you want an indication of Art’s intellectual honesty, search his comment archive for “coherent.”

    Not his first use of this retort.

    {#178}

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Greta Handel

    He gets paid by the word count, not the content.

  177. @AceDeuce
    @Thatcher76

    Hollywood Squares:

    Peter Marshall: "Paul, why was Nathan Hale hung?"

    Pail Lynde: "Heredity!"

    Acytual dialogue.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    It was the Grammatically correct answer.

    Men are Hanged not Hung for Treason.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Bill Jones

    Yes, I know that, Grammar Grandma. Thanks for chiming in with the answer to a question that no one asked.

  178. @Greta Handel
    @Art Deco

    And if you want an indication of Art’s intellectual honesty, search his comment archive for “coherent.”

    Not his first use of this retort.

    {#178}

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    He gets paid by the word count, not the content.

  179. @Bill Jones
    @AceDeuce

    It was the Grammatically correct answer.

    Men are Hanged not Hung for Treason.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    Yes, I know that, Grammar Grandma. Thanks for chiming in with the answer to a question that no one asked.

  180. @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    I was talking about the Contras, idiot.

    It's a subject I alluded to in my remark of July 19, 2022 at 1:08 pm GMT before you thought you had to huff and puff and bloooww my house down yet again.


    Yes, I most certainly do.

    No you don't, beyond recitation of paulbot shticks.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    It’s a subject I alluded to in my remark of July 19, 2022 at 1:08 pm GMT before you thought you had to huff and puff and bloooww my house down yet again.

    No one has to huff and puff to blow down your stack of reference books, librarian.

    Your “I know everything” act is wearing thin. You are not an expert, nor indeed are you even really smart. You are just a petulant old fool.

  181. @Mike_from_SGV
    @TelfoedJohn

    China need only airdrop millions of nooses, defaced rainbow flags, and mutilated BLM signs, and our military and ruling class will collapse weeping in the fetal position. Then they can waltz in and take over.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @TelfoedJohn

    VP Justine Smollett will end up faking nooses on the White House lawn as an excuse to take over.

  182. @Mr. Peabody
    ¡Madre de Dios*!

    Once Trannies are running the place none of this will be happening.

    * DIOS: Diversity Is Our Strength

    Replies: @Shafar Nullifidian

    It bears repeating…
    The more the diversity, the more the perversity!

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