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A reader writes:

Earlier this evening, my wife (who is Chinese) told me about how someone in a WeChat group encouraged everyone to contact members of the US Senate to oppose the “Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act“. …

The summary I got is that, although it sounds nice for the Chinese, as it would allow a lot more of them to come over, but it would allow a whole lot more Indians to come over. The fear is that, more-or-less, male Indians would take over IT and medicine, and female Indians would take over HR. Apparently, there was a joke about how, if it passes, Columbus will have been right after-all about who lives here.

 
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  1. As I have written before, the democratic controlled house overwhelmingly passed this legislation which in essence would hugely favor Indians over Chinese, Koreans, Pilipinos, Pakis, Arabs, Africans, Mexicans, Columbians……… practically the rest of the world.

    If the GOP candidates had an ounce of brain, they would take out non stop ads in ethnic media catering to all these groups touting their opposition to this and the likely support of their Democratic opponent for this.

    If you are a advisor or operative for any GOP congressional race in 2020, please please do this.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    They Wont!
    , @Anonymous
    *Americans
    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    If the GOP candidates had an ounce of brain,
     
    Stop right there. You're expecting too much from the GOP.

    Besides, why would they want to stop this? They love cheap labour. And Trump just met with Modi in Texas with 50,000 Indian "Americans" cheering!
  2. Check out the comments at CIS site on the story about this bill being blocked:
    https://cis.org/Vaughan/Senate-Action-Expected-S386-HR1044

    BTW, great job by Sen Purdue from GA on blocking this bill, this sub-continental does not want any more from there here. I hope his campaign takes my advise and non-stop touts this in ethnic media catering to Koreans and Latinos of Gwinette County, its as easy fo a layup as it gets.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The CIS link's comments are something to see. All the top "pro" comments (pro-country-cap) have Chinese names on their Facebook accounts, immediately answered with strident "con" comments from Facebook accounts with Indian surnames. Perpetual China Vs. India Flame War won't be the ideal replacement once the Marvel Cinematic Universe peters out
  3. Indians and Chinese are lose-lose for America. Both are parasitical classes whose downside is a hundred times whatever upside they might bring. It’s very sad how Trump is going full retard on the “moar skilled immigrantz!” If I had to choose between a million Asians and a million Mexicans, I’d take the Mexicans.

    Of course, a sane nation would take neither.

    • Replies: @The preferred nomenclature is...
    This a million times over.

    Now let's get ready for Twink's million posts.
    , @Corvinus
    "Indians and Chinese are lose-lose for America. Both are parasitical classes whose downside is a hundred times whatever upside they might bring."

    Nativists said the exact same thing about Eastern and Southern Europeans. For example, in the late 1800's, racialist theories circulated in the press, advancing pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans. Drawings and songs had caricatured the Italians as childlike, criminal, and subhuman. “If immigration was properly restricted, you would never be troubled with anarchism, socialism, the Mafia and such kindred evils!” was one such message from a political cartoon (1891).

    So was it magic dirt and civic nationalism that made today's Italians "respectable"?

    As far as the Chinese, in 1872 Mark Twain remarked "They are a kindly disposed, well-meaning race, and are respected and well treated by the upper classes, all over the Pacific coast. No Californian gentleman or lady ever abuses or oppresses a Chinaman, under any circumstances, an explanation that seems to be much needed in the East. Only the scum of the population do it--they and their children; they, and, naturally and consistently, the policemen and politicians, likewise, for these are the dust-licking pimps and slaves of the scum, there as well as elsewhere in America."

    So, was Twain anti-white and a "cuck" to boot?

    , @PorkTastic
    Having been driven out of tech due to choking toxicity and ethnocentrism on display by this most model minority, I couldn't agree more

    The fun will start when more and more non Hindu and non white (this is the important part) start agitating against the Hindus (like the recent case of a Korean American grad student at Intel).

    To all whites who now dare to enter the world of tech and are no genius, you better watch out and be on your toes. Better yet, if you perchance happen to have an Italian (southern Italian would be great) on your team, band up with him. They know how to navigate the corrupt much better.

    Those of you in other industries, beware of the subcons especially the smooth talking high caste Hindus. These are very sneaky folks. They aim to displace you with their own and are very clannish cliquish and would leave no stone unturned in their quest to decimate the industry for non Indians ( like they did with tech). Don't let them get a foothold into your company
  4. • Replies: @J.Ross
    >surely law talkers cared about legal or rights violations suffered by a white male
    Doubt.
    , @Clyde

    Probably because they saw this?
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/19/korean-american-software-engineer-claims-discrimination-by-intel-managers-of-indian-descent/
     
    Wow! 293 comments with other ethnicities in IT(Asians and European) criticizing Indians. How they only hire their own kind and abuse others. Indians also will only hire Indians from same region, with same language. Caste too I presume.
  5. The Conquest of the New World, second edition.

    • Replies: @Aristodemus
    No, third edition. Atlantic European (with African slaves) were the second edition. First edition the Siberian ancestors of the Amerindians themselves, who conquered and/or absorbed, and at any rate supplanted, peoples more closely related to Australian aborigines. Or so I have read.
  6. I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about immigration:

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    Interesting, also it jibes with my casual observations. Do you know how they compute the "Assimilation Index"?
    , @Odin
    Canadians are only 50% assimilated? They keep complaining about four-down football?
    , @res
    Do you have the source for that handy? I looked and only found an earlier (but very detailed, the detail is in the linked PDF) report:
    https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/comparing-immigrant-assimilation-north-america-and-europe-5846.html
    , @J.Ross
    Everybody universally seems to dig Pinoys. Mexicans on the other hand are pretty broadly complained about, except for their own aggressive media advocacy, and advocacy donated by others who tend to be massively wealthy.
    Indians' success is closely correlated with their refusal to assimilate because a lot of them came purely to make as much money as they can, which is fine by itself, but it absorbs their self-organization and their activities here, to a far greater degree than other groups. If the US is a proposition nation then we should be able to test acceptance of the Bill of Rights and reject people based on lifestyle. Properly implented such a policy would rid us of large numbers of white Californians.
    , @Romanian
    How can one interpret that chart in light of the idea of "immigration refreshment"? If you got 100 people from country X 50 years ago, 100 from Y 10 years ago, and 2 a year from Z for the past 50 years, then, all things being the same, their assimilation stats will be different. I imagine that the fact that you keep getting Mexicans slows things down, just like that article on Bradford in the Uk noted that half of 4th generation Pakistani immigrants had a parent who was a first generation immigrant from Pakistan.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/unmaking-england/
    , @Anonymous
    One thing that ups the score for East-Asian immigrants is their female out-marriage rates.
    Mexican scores are probably depressed a lot, because of the large numbers involved and the the presence of large numbers of fresh of the "fence" immigrants.
    , @Lot
    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.
    , @An
    Thats my experience phillipinos make good immigrants overall. Id pick them before anybody else
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Is visual phenotype a major factor in the index? To its detriment, it doesn’t seem so: Non-whites should be rated near zero.

    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about “assimilation”:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOO0WaaUMAAG-HC.jpg:large
    , @DCThrowback
    a back of the envelope way to remember this *might* be the relative attractiveness of the females from those respective countries and their ability to land a hu-whyte husband
  7. Step One:

    Prevent Entry and Settlement in The United States.

    Rest is just conversation.

  8. This is the Mike Lee bill, the Utah Senator beloved by Glenn -take some footballs to the border – Beck. Even I called my two Sens to complain. What about hiring some American kids with loan debt.

  9. I am vomit.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    Thanks for letting this comment through, Steve.
    , @Aft
    Street-poo not allow.
  10. I see no reason to be “fair” to foreign workers. Fairness implies neutrality. I am not neutral. I want an unfairness for foreign workers act.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "I want an unfairness for foreign workers act."

    Edit out "work" and "act".
    , @bomag

    ...be “fair” to foreign workers
     
    "Fair", of course, means that if they send 200,000 to be succored with first world amenities in our country, then we send 200,000 to their country to be succored with first world amenities.
  11. One little, two little, three little Indians
    Four little, five little, six little Indians
    Seven little, eight little, nine little Indians
    Ten little Indian Doctors, IT Analysts and HR Coordinators.

  12. It seems to me that a very large fraction of your readership has Asian wives, has lived in Asia, or both.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @The Beggar Blogger
    Angry white men tend be beta and lower status (=Asian wives.)
    , @Anonymous
    And this is why the alt-right White Nationalist movement will fail in the end.

    Because men who say they are alt-right White Nationalists are even more likely to have an interracial marriage than liberal white men.
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Both, but I still oppose immigration. I wish the US had remained a white supermajority nation. We could accept the foreign spouses of citizens easily if the rest of the immigration system wasn't so broken.
    , @Anonymous
    I have visited, but not extensively. I had a lot of Japanese girls for short term relations, it was my fetish s a young man. Before AIDS Japanese girls were a lot more available to gaijin for sportf*****g.
  13. I hope Tom Cotton will be president one day.

    The debate regarding country caps seems to be one sided: it’s agreed that it’s terribly unfair to immigrants from poor and poorly run, corrupt, populus countries.

    The unapologetic and vigorous response from Americans should be that immigration policy should be solely designed to benefit America, and assimilate immigrants into the national family as smoothly and quickly as possible. And I do mean full members of the family.

    Large numbers of immigrants from a single country seriously retard assimilation. 1,000,000 immigrants from two countries is much much more difficult to assimilate than 1,000,000 immigrants from 25 countries.

    Large numbers of immigrants in a single industry seriously retard assimilation. Out west, this is clealy seen from the service industry — all Spanish speaking — to the tech industry, where many companies have engineering departments dominated by one group: Indians, Chinese, Eastern European.

    As an American, it is not my duty nor responsibility to change immigration law to suit some concept of ‘fairness’ to individual immigrants. As a nation we should formulate immigration policy that best helps all current citizens, offer our terms, and potential immigrants can accept or reject, as is their right.

    Of course, all should be treated with courtesy through the immigration process, which I do hear is lacking from comments from my friends who have immigrated. That should be changed.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    Better yet, end immigration entirely. Does no one notice how insulting it is to native born Americans to be told over and over that "we need immigrants" because of some or another perceived inadequacy of the native born?
  14. The Founding Fathers’ intent was that Hindustanis and Orientals would vigorously compete for supremacy in N.America. It’s so obvious as to hardly need stating.

    — and through which all the rest of us might be blessed; also through which we can finally prove, once and for all, that the Dems are the real racists.

  15. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, subcon immigration into the USA will make the American experience of late 20th century Mexican immigration seem like the proverbial Vicarage Tea Party in comparison.

    Mark my words.

    Also, expect the deadheads who run the EU to instigate and encourage massive subcon immigration.

    • Replies: @peterike

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, subcon immigration into the USA will make the American experience of late 20th century Mexican immigration seem like the proverbial Vicarage Tea Party in comparison.
     
    ** AHEM ***

    That already has a name. PeterIke's Law. But I freely allow you to use it!
    , @Romanian

    Also, expect the deadheads who run the EU to instigate and encourage massive subcon immigration.
     
    After all, we've done so well out of the last subcon immigration ;)
    , @bomag

    ... subcon immigration into the USA will make the American experience of late 20th century Mexican immigration seem like the proverbial Vicarage Tea Party in comparison.
     
    And the Chinese immigration will make us nostalgic for the good old days of subcon immi.

    And the Muslim immigration will make us nostalgic for the good old days of Chinese immi.

    And the African immigration will make us nostalgic for the good old days of Muslim immi.
  16. @Twinkie
    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about immigration:
    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    Interesting, also it jibes with my casual observations. Do you know how they compute the “Assimilation Index”?

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Do you know how they compute the “Assimilation Index”?
     
    It’s a composite of three types of assimilation - economic, cultural, and civic. Each category utilizes proxies such as employment, intermarriage, citizenship acquisition, military service, etc.

    Check the Manhattan Institute website for all the numbers and details. The study has been ongoing for many years... though now that Reihan Salam is its president... who knows if it will continue.
    , @Blinky Bill
    How easily White guys can take their women ? 😉
  17. @Twinkie
    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about immigration:
    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    Canadians are only 50% assimilated? They keep complaining about four-down football?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Canadians are only 50% assimilated? They keep complaining about four-down football?

     

    A two-way street:



    https://img.discogs.com/0mEU7gE3gTHGBjw_DkNBTvMlWXU=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-1788934-1243394817.jpeg.jpg
    , @Twinkie

    Canadians are only 50% assimilated?
     
    That’s not what it means. It’s an index, not a percentage. Canadian immigrants have full economic and cultural assimilation, but very low civic assimilation. In other words, they tend not to acquire U.S. citizenship or serve in the military. They are largely in the U.S. to make money (because it pays better than in Canada) and tend to retain Canadian citizenship and sense of identity.
    , @Louis Renault
    They are just upset that we keep winning the Stanley Cup.
    , @kaganovitch
    No, they keep pushing "worthwhile initiatives". Anathema to any red blooded American.
  18. In other post-Columbian news today, a bunch of hombres with Spanish names died at a Pittsburgh disco after apparently snorting fentanyl off a dagger, and a man with a Spanish name jumps in front of a Bronx subway train with his five-year-old daughter– shades of Norman Morrison in 1965– and dies, but she crawls out from under.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/peter-rene-sanchez-montalvo-arrested-in-mass-overdose-at-swanky-pittsburgh-building

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-man-pittsburgh-mass-overdose-deaths (“California man”!)

    https://nypost.com/2019/09/23/dramatic-video-shows-bystanders-rescuing-girl-after-dads-subway-suicide/

    And in school news, Labor intends– excuse me, Labour intend– to eliminate private education in the UK:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/24/labour-class-war-private-schools-inequality

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/23/head-of-eton-hits-back-at-labour-plans-to-abolish-private-schools

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Well, that would force reality down some people's throats.
  19. @Anonymous
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, subcon immigration into the USA will make the American experience of late 20th century Mexican immigration seem like the proverbial Vicarage Tea Party in comparison.

    Mark my words.

    Also, expect the deadheads who run the EU to instigate and encourage massive subcon immigration.

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, subcon immigration into the USA will make the American experience of late 20th century Mexican immigration seem like the proverbial Vicarage Tea Party in comparison.

    ** AHEM ***

    That already has a name. PeterIke’s Law. But I freely allow you to use it!

  20. @Odin
    Canadians are only 50% assimilated? They keep complaining about four-down football?

    Canadians are only 50% assimilated? They keep complaining about four-down football?

    A two-way street:

  21. @Twinkie
    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about immigration:
    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    Do you have the source for that handy? I looked and only found an earlier (but very detailed, the detail is in the linked PDF) report:
    https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/comparing-immigrant-assimilation-north-america-and-europe-5846.html

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Check the Manhattan Institute website. There should be numbers up to 2011 at minimum, possibly even later ones. I think the only significant change in the more recent numbers is the collapse of Cuban assimilation and moderate improvements in others, but I am not 100% certain.

    Also, readers should keep in mind that this only pertains to foreign-born immigrants, not their American-born progeny. There are some differences with the latter (though nothing major).

    Found it: https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_76.pdf

    Look at figures 9 and 10.

  22. We don’t even try to assimilate the people we have already. What incentive does anyone have other than to get in and grab as much out of the cash register as quickly as possible before the whole thing falls apart? And why shouldn’t they? It’s the model set by the good and great of our elite class.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "We don’t even try to assimilate the people we have already."

    Not necessarily.

    https://qz.com/1278629/us-immigration-data-show-central-americans-assimilate-perfectly-well/
  23. @William Badwhite
    Interesting, also it jibes with my casual observations. Do you know how they compute the "Assimilation Index"?

    Do you know how they compute the “Assimilation Index”?

    It’s a composite of three types of assimilation – economic, cultural, and civic. Each category utilizes proxies such as employment, intermarriage, citizenship acquisition, military service, etc.

    Check the Manhattan Institute website for all the numbers and details. The study has been ongoing for many years… though now that Reihan Salam is its president… who knows if it will continue.

  24. @Odin
    Canadians are only 50% assimilated? They keep complaining about four-down football?

    Canadians are only 50% assimilated?

    That’s not what it means. It’s an index, not a percentage. Canadian immigrants have full economic and cultural assimilation, but very low civic assimilation. In other words, they tend not to acquire U.S. citizenship or serve in the military. They are largely in the U.S. to make money (because it pays better than in Canada) and tend to retain Canadian citizenship and sense of identity.

  25. “Earlier this evening, my wife (who is Chinese)…”

    I thought race mixing was a direct assault on the tenets of the Alt Right. Why are we promoting such an obvious abomination?

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    a direct assault on the tenets of the Alt Right
     
    Such commenters are actually Alt-Light in deference to their Chinese wives—not just for political reasons, but also because their wives can’t pronounce the R in Right.
    , @XYZ (no Mr.)
    Discussing immigration, and its potential and very real negative effects if not managed properly, as is being done here, is not Alt Right at all. It's the normal function and right of citizens in their native land.
  26. @William Badwhite
    Interesting, also it jibes with my casual observations. Do you know how they compute the "Assimilation Index"?

    How easily White guys can take their women ? 😉

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    This is basically it. I don't see any reason to have large numbers of Filipinos and Vietnamese around.
  27. @Twinkie
    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about immigration:
    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    Everybody universally seems to dig Pinoys. Mexicans on the other hand are pretty broadly complained about, except for their own aggressive media advocacy, and advocacy donated by others who tend to be massively wealthy.
    Indians’ success is closely correlated with their refusal to assimilate because a lot of them came purely to make as much money as they can, which is fine by itself, but it absorbs their self-organization and their activities here, to a far greater degree than other groups. If the US is a proposition nation then we should be able to test acceptance of the Bill of Rights and reject people based on lifestyle. Properly implented such a policy would rid us of large numbers of white Californians.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Everybody universally seems to dig Pinoys.
     
    They do nursing. That says it all. Everybody loves nurses.

    They generally speak English, FOB, are familiar with American culture, are smarter than Hispanics to do trade work competently and are more cheerful and easier-going than brainier East Asians. They are one of the least “offensive” groups in that light.

    However, their immigrant pool is pretty selective (less selective than Indians, but still more selective than, say, Koreans), and their children tend not to exceed their parents while still absorbing some of the ill-effects of American mass culture. The stereotype is that Filipino immigrants are married nurses and their American-born children become... single-parent nurses.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "Properly [implemented] such a policy would rid us of large numbers of white Californians."

    Sounds like sane policy.
  28. @Malcolm X-Lax
    We don't even try to assimilate the people we have already. What incentive does anyone have other than to get in and grab as much out of the cash register as quickly as possible before the whole thing falls apart? And why shouldn't they? It's the model set by the good and great of our elite class.

    “We don’t even try to assimilate the people we have already.”

    Not necessarily.

    https://qz.com/1278629/us-immigration-data-show-central-americans-assimilate-perfectly-well/

    • Replies: @peterike
    Lol! Even those CATO-rigged statistics show they DON'T assimilate. The real story shouldn't be titled "Central Americans Assimilate Perfectly Well" but more something like "Central American assimilation is pretty terrible but maybe not as bad as you think."
    , @Reg Cæsar
    From that link:

    There’s a high probability they’ll learn English and get a job...


    It’s true that most Central American immigrants don’t speak English when they arrive to the US, but they tend to learn over time...

    The poverty rate for Central Americans declines the longer they are in the US.

     

    "High probability" should be "basic requirement for entrance". "Over time" should read "at home, before arrival".

    It should not be possible for their poverty rate to decline. It should be at zero from the beginning.

    And, as this story shows, not all assimilation is good-- it depends on what one assimilates to:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-suspected-overdose-killed-three-pittsburgh-after-party-n1057946

  29. @res
    Do you have the source for that handy? I looked and only found an earlier (but very detailed, the detail is in the linked PDF) report:
    https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/comparing-immigrant-assimilation-north-america-and-europe-5846.html

    Check the Manhattan Institute website. There should be numbers up to 2011 at minimum, possibly even later ones. I think the only significant change in the more recent numbers is the collapse of Cuban assimilation and moderate improvements in others, but I am not 100% certain.

    Also, readers should keep in mind that this only pertains to foreign-born immigrants, not their American-born progeny. There are some differences with the latter (though nothing major).

    Found it: https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_76.pdf

    Look at figures 9 and 10.

    • Agree: 95Theses
    • Replies: @res
    Thanks! Looks like a later revision of the link I gave.
  30. @Twinkie
    Probably because they saw this?
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/19/korean-american-software-engineer-claims-discrimination-by-intel-managers-of-indian-descent/

    >surely law talkers cared about legal or rights violations suffered by a white male
    Doubt.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    It's not letting me remove my hasty comment (Unz was right about commenting too quickly!). But the joke's on Ryu: the next step in our racial re-awokening will be the Zimmering of folks dat act white.
  31. @J.Ross
    >surely law talkers cared about legal or rights violations suffered by a white male
    Doubt.

    It’s not letting me remove my hasty comment (Unz was right about commenting too quickly!). But the joke’s on Ryu: the next step in our racial re-awokening will be the Zimmering of folks dat act white.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    But the joke’s on Ryu: the next step in our racial re-awokening will be the Zimmering of folks dat act white.
     
    That’s been here all along. It’s just been ignored by the “only white males are screwed” crowd.
  32. although it sounds nice for the Chinese, as it would allow a lot more of them to come over, but it would allow a whole lot more Indians to come over.

    The most important thing is not that my group succeeds but that your group fails. Future America is gonna be great!

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Somebody doesn’t understand market share and monopoly.
  33. @indocon
    As I have written before, the democratic controlled house overwhelmingly passed this legislation which in essence would hugely favor Indians over Chinese, Koreans, Pilipinos, Pakis, Arabs, Africans, Mexicans, Columbians......... practically the rest of the world.

    If the GOP candidates had an ounce of brain, they would take out non stop ads in ethnic media catering to all these groups touting their opposition to this and the likely support of their Democratic opponent for this.

    If you are a advisor or operative for any GOP congressional race in 2020, please please do this.

    They Wont!

    • Replies: @Fabian Forge
    Of course they won't. Their paymasters like this Bill, and the GOPe would let it go through if they could do so quietly.
  34. @Twinkie
    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about immigration:
    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    How can one interpret that chart in light of the idea of “immigration refreshment”? If you got 100 people from country X 50 years ago, 100 from Y 10 years ago, and 2 a year from Z for the past 50 years, then, all things being the same, their assimilation stats will be different. I imagine that the fact that you keep getting Mexicans slows things down, just like that article on Bradford in the Uk noted that half of 4th generation Pakistani immigrants had a parent who was a first generation immigrant from Pakistan.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/unmaking-england/

  35. @Anonymous
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, subcon immigration into the USA will make the American experience of late 20th century Mexican immigration seem like the proverbial Vicarage Tea Party in comparison.

    Mark my words.

    Also, expect the deadheads who run the EU to instigate and encourage massive subcon immigration.

    Also, expect the deadheads who run the EU to instigate and encourage massive subcon immigration.

    After all, we’ve done so well out of the last subcon immigration 😉

  36. @Corvinus
    "We don’t even try to assimilate the people we have already."

    Not necessarily.

    https://qz.com/1278629/us-immigration-data-show-central-americans-assimilate-perfectly-well/

    Lol! Even those CATO-rigged statistics show they DON’T assimilate. The real story shouldn’t be titled “Central Americans Assimilate Perfectly Well” but more something like “Central American assimilation is pretty terrible but maybe not as bad as you think.”

  37. @Twinkie
    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about immigration:
    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    One thing that ups the score for East-Asian immigrants is their female out-marriage rates.
    Mexican scores are probably depressed a lot, because of the large numbers involved and the the presence of large numbers of fresh of the “fence” immigrants.

  38. @Jack D

    although it sounds nice for the Chinese, as it would allow a lot more of them to come over, but it would allow a whole lot more Indians to come over.
     
    The most important thing is not that my group succeeds but that your group fails. Future America is gonna be great!

    Somebody doesn’t understand market share and monopoly.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Someone doesn't understand the difference between zero sum and non-zero sum games.
  39. @J.Ross
    It's not letting me remove my hasty comment (Unz was right about commenting too quickly!). But the joke's on Ryu: the next step in our racial re-awokening will be the Zimmering of folks dat act white.

    But the joke’s on Ryu: the next step in our racial re-awokening will be the Zimmering of folks dat act white.

    That’s been here all along. It’s just been ignored by the “only white males are screwed” crowd.

  40. @Ibound1
    I see no reason to be "fair" to foreign workers. Fairness implies neutrality. I am not neutral. I want an unfairness for foreign workers act.

    “I want an unfairness for foreign workers act.”

    Edit out “work” and “act”.

  41. @J.Ross
    Everybody universally seems to dig Pinoys. Mexicans on the other hand are pretty broadly complained about, except for their own aggressive media advocacy, and advocacy donated by others who tend to be massively wealthy.
    Indians' success is closely correlated with their refusal to assimilate because a lot of them came purely to make as much money as they can, which is fine by itself, but it absorbs their self-organization and their activities here, to a far greater degree than other groups. If the US is a proposition nation then we should be able to test acceptance of the Bill of Rights and reject people based on lifestyle. Properly implented such a policy would rid us of large numbers of white Californians.

    Everybody universally seems to dig Pinoys.

    They do nursing. That says it all. Everybody loves nurses.

    They generally speak English, FOB, are familiar with American culture, are smarter than Hispanics to do trade work competently and are more cheerful and easier-going than brainier East Asians. They are one of the least “offensive” groups in that light.

    However, their immigrant pool is pretty selective (less selective than Indians, but still more selective than, say, Koreans), and their children tend not to exceed their parents while still absorbing some of the ill-effects of American mass culture. The stereotype is that Filipino immigrants are married nurses and their American-born children become… single-parent nurses.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Filipinos sort of strike me as a slightly better grade of Puerto Rican. They are what we would have hoped the Puerto Ricans to be except that Puerto Ricans had African blood instead of Asian blood and that didn't work out as well for living among white people. But ultimately (except for the Filipinos who are overseas Chinese) they are jungle Asians and not fancy Asians. Being a jungle Asian is better than being a jungle African but it's not the same as being a fancy Asian. Of course fancy Asians have their own weaknesses (which are often the flip side of their strengths) but in the end as the car guys say there's no replacement for displacement (IQ). If you really want to guess what some immigrant group will turn out like, your best bet is to look at what kind of civilization they have in their home country.
  42. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @indocon
    Check out the comments at CIS site on the story about this bill being blocked:
    https://cis.org/Vaughan/Senate-Action-Expected-S386-HR1044

    BTW, great job by Sen Purdue from GA on blocking this bill, this sub-continental does not want any more from there here. I hope his campaign takes my advise and non-stop touts this in ethnic media catering to Koreans and Latinos of Gwinette County, its as easy fo a layup as it gets.

    The CIS link’s comments are something to see. All the top “pro” comments (pro-country-cap) have Chinese names on their Facebook accounts, immediately answered with strident “con” comments from Facebook accounts with Indian surnames. Perpetual China Vs. India Flame War won’t be the ideal replacement once the Marvel Cinematic Universe peters out

  43. @Reg Cæsar
    In other post-Columbian news today, a bunch of hombres with Spanish names died at a Pittsburgh disco after apparently snorting fentanyl off a dagger, and a man with a Spanish name jumps in front of a Bronx subway train with his five-year-old daughter-- shades of Norman Morrison in 1965-- and dies, but she crawls out from under.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/peter-rene-sanchez-montalvo-arrested-in-mass-overdose-at-swanky-pittsburgh-building

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-man-pittsburgh-mass-overdose-deaths ("California man"!)

    https://nypost.com/2019/09/23/dramatic-video-shows-bystanders-rescuing-girl-after-dads-subway-suicide/

    And in school news, Labor intends-- excuse me, Labour intend-- to eliminate private education in the UK:


    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/24/labour-class-war-private-schools-inequality

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/sep/23/head-of-eton-hits-back-at-labour-plans-to-abolish-private-schools

    Well, that would force reality down some people’s throats.

  44. @Twinkie
    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about immigration:
    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.
     
    I don’t think the Mexican and SE Asian bits are true. Mexicans actually have generationally extended linguistic assimilation issues (tracked by English usage and Spanish retention).

    Southeast Asians are also laggards, except Catholic Vietnamese.

    You might be confusing them with Christian Northeast Asians, especially the highly Protestant Koreans, among whom names such as John, Peter, David, and Michael are exceptionally common. Put in “John Kim” or “David Lee” in a search engine and you get a phone book.
    , @Blinky Bill
    I wonder if Sitting Bull had a Christian name ?
    , @Jack D
    I don't think this really works - it's one isolated fact (where the index studies many factors). For example, Korean Americans sometimes (not always) stick with their traditional hyphenated first names (which are really their last names since in Korean the family name goes first) whereas Chinese Americans tend to give their kids English names (the kids also have Chinese names as well but these are not their legal names in America). It's pretty rare for an ABC to have only a Chinese first name. But on the whole, Koreans are more assimilated.
    , @AnotherDad

    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.
     
    It's a mediocre test Lot. Certainly a positive correlation ... but that's about it. (Especially with female names lots of people like something a bit different.)


    No the test for assimilation is ... actual assimilation.

    Do they or their children marry into--or toward--the white Christian core population.

    That's pretty much it. Endogamous ethnic groups--even if successful like the Jews--cause balkanization. (And if smart and verbal can cause you even more problems. I.e. the Jews have caused way more problems than the Amish.) Some high caste Indians show this profile--high IQ, but alienated--as well. They are alienated from core America over Christianity, hamburgers, etc. Muslims are giant pain in the ass. Regardless of whether they have the IQ for economic success, they are alienated/separated from core American by religion.

    And if core Americans show little interest in marrying with a group, that is a big flashing red flag as well about the quality and assimilability of the group.
  45. In my experience, East Asians do not like South Asians. EA seem to find SA very untrustworthy.

    Grouping EA and SA together makes no sense. SA has a culture that is much more Middle Eastern than the Confuasian East Asia.

  46. @Lot
    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.

    Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.

    I don’t think the Mexican and SE Asian bits are true. Mexicans actually have generationally extended linguistic assimilation issues (tracked by English usage and Spanish retention).

    Southeast Asians are also laggards, except Catholic Vietnamese.

    You might be confusing them with Christian Northeast Asians, especially the highly Protestant Koreans, among whom names such as John, Peter, David, and Michael are exceptionally common. Put in “John Kim” or “David Lee” in a search engine and you get a phone book.

    • Replies: @Lot
    IME children of Mexican immigrants all have Anglo names or simple Spanish names Americans can pronounce and identify the gender of (Jose, Rosa)

    In Mexico itself Anglo names are trendy for the working and middle class, with elites trending more for French names, rarer classier sounding Spanish names, and Russian and Aztec names for leftist elites.

    For NE Asians, I have less of a sample as their fertility is so low here. Koreans Americans being about half Christian are more assimilated than Chinese.
  47. Read the names of the commenters on the CIS post. Almost every one of them is a foreign name. It reminds me of the old saying by Derb that Americans may not be very interested in the subject, but foreigners are *very* interested in American immigration law, and know our immigration laws far better than we do.

    • Replies: @peterike

    but foreigners are *very* interested in American immigration law, and know how to game our immigration laws far better than we do.
     
    FTFY
  48. @J.Ross
    Everybody universally seems to dig Pinoys. Mexicans on the other hand are pretty broadly complained about, except for their own aggressive media advocacy, and advocacy donated by others who tend to be massively wealthy.
    Indians' success is closely correlated with their refusal to assimilate because a lot of them came purely to make as much money as they can, which is fine by itself, but it absorbs their self-organization and their activities here, to a far greater degree than other groups. If the US is a proposition nation then we should be able to test acceptance of the Bill of Rights and reject people based on lifestyle. Properly implented such a policy would rid us of large numbers of white Californians.

    “Properly [implemented] such a policy would rid us of large numbers of white Californians.”

    Sounds like sane policy.

  49. @Lot
    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.

    I wonder if Sitting Bull had a Christian name ?

  50. @Twinkie
    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about immigration:
    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    Thats my experience phillipinos make good immigrants overall. Id pick them before anybody else

  51. @Twinkie
    Somebody doesn’t understand market share and monopoly.

    Someone doesn’t understand the difference between zero sum and non-zero sum games.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Someone doesn’t understand the difference between zero sum and non-zero sum games.
     
    Exactly what I thought a corporate lobby type would say.

    Non-zero sum doesn’t grow quickly enough to matter when there is a virtual monopoly. Even this country has anti-trust laws for a reason.

    When politics heavily infuses the economy, business becomes mostly zero-sum.
  52. @indocon
    As I have written before, the democratic controlled house overwhelmingly passed this legislation which in essence would hugely favor Indians over Chinese, Koreans, Pilipinos, Pakis, Arabs, Africans, Mexicans, Columbians......... practically the rest of the world.

    If the GOP candidates had an ounce of brain, they would take out non stop ads in ethnic media catering to all these groups touting their opposition to this and the likely support of their Democratic opponent for this.

    If you are a advisor or operative for any GOP congressional race in 2020, please please do this.

    *Americans

  53. @Jack D
    Someone doesn't understand the difference between zero sum and non-zero sum games.

    Someone doesn’t understand the difference between zero sum and non-zero sum games.

    Exactly what I thought a corporate lobby type would say.

    Non-zero sum doesn’t grow quickly enough to matter when there is a virtual monopoly. Even this country has anti-trust laws for a reason.

    When politics heavily infuses the economy, business becomes mostly zero-sum.

  54. OFF TOPIC

    Greta Thunberg Doesn’t Like The AFRICAN POPULATION EXPLOSION CHART:

    https://twitter.com/chris_af_VP/status/1176289043455369216?s=20

  55. @Lot
    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.

    I don’t think this really works – it’s one isolated fact (where the index studies many factors). For example, Korean Americans sometimes (not always) stick with their traditional hyphenated first names (which are really their last names since in Korean the family name goes first) whereas Chinese Americans tend to give their kids English names (the kids also have Chinese names as well but these are not their legal names in America). It’s pretty rare for an ABC to have only a Chinese first name. But on the whole, Koreans are more assimilated.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    For example, Korean Americans sometimes (not always) stick with their traditional hyphenated first names (which are really their last names since in Korean the family name goes first)
     
    You are confused or misinformed, as what you wrote makes zero sense.

    It’s common for both Chinese and Korean immigrants to give their American-born children English (frequently Biblical in the case of Koreans) first names, Chinese or Korean given names as middle names, and retain the family surnames as are (as last names).
    , @Twinkie

    But on the whole, Koreans are more assimilated.
     
    One thing interesting I found about Chinese immigrant parents vs. Korean immigrant parents is that the former are much more interested in their kids speaking Mandarin Chinese than the latter are in their children speaking Korean. That’s confirmed by survey data and comports with my own observation (I heard numerous Korean parents say, “What would be the point of learning Korean?”).

    I think at least a part of the explanation is the big country vs. small country origination. Ceteris paribus, immigrants from smaller countries tend to assimilate faster, because bigger countries have more prominent and, yes, more world-historically significant cultural traditions that exert a pull from the people who originate from them, no matter where they are. So, equalizing other factors*, Danes and Poles assimilated faster than Germans and Russians, Bangladeshis faster than Indians, and Koreans faster than Chinese.

    *There are, of course, always many other factors, such as selectivity, religion, linguistic propinquity, etc.
  56. English only! does not work when complaining about Indian professionals.

  57. @Twinkie

    Everybody universally seems to dig Pinoys.
     
    They do nursing. That says it all. Everybody loves nurses.

    They generally speak English, FOB, are familiar with American culture, are smarter than Hispanics to do trade work competently and are more cheerful and easier-going than brainier East Asians. They are one of the least “offensive” groups in that light.

    However, their immigrant pool is pretty selective (less selective than Indians, but still more selective than, say, Koreans), and their children tend not to exceed their parents while still absorbing some of the ill-effects of American mass culture. The stereotype is that Filipino immigrants are married nurses and their American-born children become... single-parent nurses.

    Filipinos sort of strike me as a slightly better grade of Puerto Rican. They are what we would have hoped the Puerto Ricans to be except that Puerto Ricans had African blood instead of Asian blood and that didn’t work out as well for living among white people. But ultimately (except for the Filipinos who are overseas Chinese) they are jungle Asians and not fancy Asians. Being a jungle Asian is better than being a jungle African but it’s not the same as being a fancy Asian. Of course fancy Asians have their own weaknesses (which are often the flip side of their strengths) but in the end as the car guys say there’s no replacement for displacement (IQ). If you really want to guess what some immigrant group will turn out like, your best bet is to look at what kind of civilization they have in their home country.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    If you really want to guess what some immigrant group will turn out like, your best bet is to look at what kind of civilization they have in their home country.

    Yes, yes. And that should scare all of us.
    , @AnotherDad

    If you really want to guess what some immigrant group will turn out like, your best bet is to look at what kind of civilization they have in their home country.
     
    Exactly--Jack nails it.

    If you want your nation to be more like China--import Chinese.
    Want it to be more like India--import Indians.
    Want it to be more like Arabia--import Arabs.
    Want it to be more like Germany--import Germans.
    Want it to be more like Mexico--import Mexicans.
    Want it to be more like Haiti--import Haitians.

    I can--easily--pick and choose among those choices. But i don't need any of them. America is--or at least was--just fine being American.
    , @Sam Coulton
    Peurto Ricans don't have that much African ancestry. Their primary components are southern European (~60-70%) and Native American (25-40%).
  58. It’s impossible to know how assimilated people are until there’s some big national emergency — such as a major war with conscription — that tests people’s loyalties to breaking point. That will be the moment of truth. Until then there’s only theory and speculation.

  59. @Twinkie
    Probably because they saw this?
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/19/korean-american-software-engineer-claims-discrimination-by-intel-managers-of-indian-descent/

    Probably because they saw this?
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/19/korean-american-software-engineer-claims-discrimination-by-intel-managers-of-indian-descent/

    Wow! 293 comments with other ethnicities in IT(Asians and European) criticizing Indians. How they only hire their own kind and abuse others. Indians also will only hire Indians from same region, with same language. Caste too I presume.

  60. I know a lot Indians–from grad school and work. Several who are first class additions and assimilating well. A lot who are just chunks of India plopped down in America.

    I don’t think we–nationalists, Western civ preservationists–win with the comparative ethnicities pitch.

    Rather we win with the basic truth: Immigration is bad for *Americans*. Not in Americans’ interest, which is all that matters.

    The United States did not actually *need* any immigration at all. The inhabitants in 1776 would have done just fine through natural increase without letting my ancestors in. Though i understand why they wanted it to settle the West faster and see off any competition, invasion.

    After the closing of the frontier–now 120-140 years ago–immigration was just silly. The only benefit driving down the relative percentage of blacks … but at great cost.

    Now immigration delivers only wage suppression, high housing prices, traffic congestion, increased public spending, balkanization and political and social contention. It’s such an open disaster it’s ridiculous. (Taking Franklin insights about why life in American was great … and pitching those factors away.)

    Sure Americans could benefit from maybe 10,000/year very well chosen people with useful technical skills (ex. kid’s doing great work on new battery technology, or methanol production or thorium cycle), good genes and attitudes and beliefs conducive to quick integration.

    But bottom line the winning case is an immigration moratorium. We have more than enough people–way more than enough–and allowing more to flood in is degrading our future more and more and more.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Sure Americans could benefit from maybe 10,000/year very well chosen people with useful technical skills (ex. kid’s doing great work on new battery technology, or methanol production or thorium cycle), good genes and attitudes and beliefs conducive to quick integration.

    But bottom line the winning case is an immigration moratorium. We have more than enough people–way more than enough–and allowing more to flood in is degrading our future more and more and more.
     
    Though I may quibble with that number, I agree with the conclusion wholeheartedly.
    , @istevefan

    But bottom line the winning case is an immigration moratorium. We have more than enough people–way more than enough–and allowing more to flood in is degrading our future more and more and more.
     
    There are many facts and numbers to support your assertion, but the GOP doesn't even know them let alone attempt to use them in debates.

    First, we had about 42 million immigrants come between 1607 (Jamestown) and 1957, a period of 350 years. By 1957 our nation was fully settled, and as you described, the frontier was closed. Yet from 1965 forward we've have about 60 million immigrants with absolutely no end in sight. Not only is there no end in sight, but it's becoming accepted that we need a steady dose of 1 to 2 million per year which the other side seems to think is non-negotiable.

    Second, it doesn't take a genius to see that much of the manual work we used to have has long ago been offshored. So we are bringing in more potential laborers while continuing to move production offshore. Additionally, our betters inform us that automation and AI is going to render redundant even more jobs in the near future. Yet our current immigration policy has yet to take this into account.

    Third, we are told the world is going to end in 12 years due to woman-made warming. We are also told that residents of the USA have a larger annual carbon footprint than anyone on earth. Yet we continue to accept immigrants from lower carbon areas and turn them into American carbon producers in spite of this. What gives? Is climate change an issue or not? Are they saying immigration is a higher priority than saving the planet?

    Fourth, we have reached a point in overall population where it is increasingly harder to maintain a national identity. I think people call this scale. Even if the USA were still 88% White, a nation of 330 million is much harder to hold together than one of 200 million. And from what we have seen in the last few election cycles, this nation is holding together by threads. A large fraction hates the other and vice versa. Yet we keep adding more and more people to the mix thus growing larger and larger and more diverse. If anything we are hastening the day when America might no longer be governable.

    Fifth, we will never be able to take in any material amount of the rest of the world into Europe and the English New World offshoots. Take the figure of 60 million coming to the USA in the past half century. That is a record with no precedent. Now let's assume we take another 60 million over the next 30 years and the EU does the same. That would be 120 million people in 30 years.

    The result would be that there would still be more people in the developing world 30 years from now than there are today since their births would more than make that up. Additionally it means we and Europe will have a shit ton more people we don't need.

    The only way the rest of the world develops is if they keep their top talent. We can't continue to practice neo-colonialism and extract the best resources of the developing world if we also want them to become self-sufficient. No matter how much we open up, literally 100 percent of the developing world is staying behind. Without their top talent, they are doomed.

    In my view there are more arguments against mass immigration on the Left than the Right. Yet the Left ignores them because of their desire for complete power, the power they think they will get as a result of lemmings voting for them. Of course peoples in the past who have invited foreign interlopers to help them put down domestic opponents have often gotten more than they bargained for. But I guess the Left thinks they can ride this bull.

    It all boils down to demographics. The Right wants to preserve them. The Left wants to destroy them.
  61. @Jack D
    I don't think this really works - it's one isolated fact (where the index studies many factors). For example, Korean Americans sometimes (not always) stick with their traditional hyphenated first names (which are really their last names since in Korean the family name goes first) whereas Chinese Americans tend to give their kids English names (the kids also have Chinese names as well but these are not their legal names in America). It's pretty rare for an ABC to have only a Chinese first name. But on the whole, Koreans are more assimilated.

    For example, Korean Americans sometimes (not always) stick with their traditional hyphenated first names (which are really their last names since in Korean the family name goes first)

    You are confused or misinformed, as what you wrote makes zero sense.

    It’s common for both Chinese and Korean immigrants to give their American-born children English (frequently Biblical in the case of Koreans) first names, Chinese or Korean given names as middle names, and retain the family surnames as are (as last names).

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    It’s common for both Chinese and Korean immigrants to give their American-born children English (frequently Biblical in the case of Koreans) first names

    I used to be in software headhunting. Met lots of Asians. A resume once crossed my desk of a dude named Lucifer Chang. I thought that either somebody played a mean trick on this fella or maybe he's really dangerous.
  62. @AnotherDad
    I know a lot Indians--from grad school and work. Several who are first class additions and assimilating well. A lot who are just chunks of India plopped down in America.

    I don't think we--nationalists, Western civ preservationists--win with the comparative ethnicities pitch.

    Rather we win with the basic truth: Immigration is bad for *Americans*. Not in Americans' interest, which is all that matters.

    The United States did not actually *need* any immigration at all. The inhabitants in 1776 would have done just fine through natural increase without letting my ancestors in. Though i understand why they wanted it to settle the West faster and see off any competition, invasion.

    After the closing of the frontier--now 120-140 years ago--immigration was just silly. The only benefit driving down the relative percentage of blacks ... but at great cost.

    Now immigration delivers only wage suppression, high housing prices, traffic congestion, increased public spending, balkanization and political and social contention. It's such an open disaster it's ridiculous. (Taking Franklin insights about why life in American was great ... and pitching those factors away.)

    Sure Americans could benefit from maybe 10,000/year very well chosen people with useful technical skills (ex. kid's doing great work on new battery technology, or methanol production or thorium cycle), good genes and attitudes and beliefs conducive to quick integration.

    But bottom line the winning case is an immigration moratorium. We have more than enough people--way more than enough--and allowing more to flood in is degrading our future more and more and more.

    Sure Americans could benefit from maybe 10,000/year very well chosen people with useful technical skills (ex. kid’s doing great work on new battery technology, or methanol production or thorium cycle), good genes and attitudes and beliefs conducive to quick integration.

    But bottom line the winning case is an immigration moratorium. We have more than enough people–way more than enough–and allowing more to flood in is degrading our future more and more and more.

    Though I may quibble with that number, I agree with the conclusion wholeheartedly.

  63. I read that as “Chinese vs. Indian,” and was transported back to happy days at Boat Quay in Singapore, trying to decide what dinner would be that night. The Chinese and Indian there were quite good. I’ve decided in this case that I prefer both Chinese and Indians to stay on that side of the world.

  64. @Wilkey
    Read the names of the commenters on the CIS post. Almost every one of them is a foreign name. It reminds me of the old saying by Derb that Americans may not be very interested in the subject, but foreigners are *very* interested in American immigration law, and know our immigration laws far better than we do.

    but foreigners are *very* interested in American immigration law, and know how to game our immigration laws far better than we do.

    FTFY

  65. @Jack D
    Filipinos sort of strike me as a slightly better grade of Puerto Rican. They are what we would have hoped the Puerto Ricans to be except that Puerto Ricans had African blood instead of Asian blood and that didn't work out as well for living among white people. But ultimately (except for the Filipinos who are overseas Chinese) they are jungle Asians and not fancy Asians. Being a jungle Asian is better than being a jungle African but it's not the same as being a fancy Asian. Of course fancy Asians have their own weaknesses (which are often the flip side of their strengths) but in the end as the car guys say there's no replacement for displacement (IQ). If you really want to guess what some immigrant group will turn out like, your best bet is to look at what kind of civilization they have in their home country.

    If you really want to guess what some immigrant group will turn out like, your best bet is to look at what kind of civilization they have in their home country.

    Yes, yes. And that should scare all of us.

  66. @Twinkie

    For example, Korean Americans sometimes (not always) stick with their traditional hyphenated first names (which are really their last names since in Korean the family name goes first)
     
    You are confused or misinformed, as what you wrote makes zero sense.

    It’s common for both Chinese and Korean immigrants to give their American-born children English (frequently Biblical in the case of Koreans) first names, Chinese or Korean given names as middle names, and retain the family surnames as are (as last names).

    It’s common for both Chinese and Korean immigrants to give their American-born children English (frequently Biblical in the case of Koreans) first names

    I used to be in software headhunting. Met lots of Asians. A resume once crossed my desk of a dude named Lucifer Chang. I thought that either somebody played a mean trick on this fella or maybe he’s really dangerous.

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    Lilit is a normal female given name in Armenia.
  67. @Corvinus
    "We don’t even try to assimilate the people we have already."

    Not necessarily.

    https://qz.com/1278629/us-immigration-data-show-central-americans-assimilate-perfectly-well/

    From that link:

    There’s a high probability they’ll learn English and get a job…

    It’s true that most Central American immigrants don’t speak English when they arrive to the US, but they tend to learn over time…

    The poverty rate for Central Americans declines the longer they are in the US.

    “High probability” should be “basic requirement for entrance”. “Over time” should read “at home, before arrival”.

    It should not be possible for their poverty rate to decline. It should be at zero from the beginning.

    And, as this story shows, not all assimilation is good– it depends on what one assimilates to:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-suspected-overdose-killed-three-pittsburgh-after-party-n1057946

    • Agree: GermanReader2
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    “High probability” should be “basic requirement for entrance”. “Over time” should read “at home, before arrival”."

    Really depends on Who/Whom.

    "And, as this story shows, not all assimilation is good– it depends on what one assimilates to..."

    Meth is more White Rural America.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/10/25/656192849/methamphetamine-roils-rural-towns-again-across-the-u-s
  68. @Odin
    Canadians are only 50% assimilated? They keep complaining about four-down football?

    They are just upset that we keep winning the Stanley Cup.

  69. @Jack D
    I don't think this really works - it's one isolated fact (where the index studies many factors). For example, Korean Americans sometimes (not always) stick with their traditional hyphenated first names (which are really their last names since in Korean the family name goes first) whereas Chinese Americans tend to give their kids English names (the kids also have Chinese names as well but these are not their legal names in America). It's pretty rare for an ABC to have only a Chinese first name. But on the whole, Koreans are more assimilated.

    But on the whole, Koreans are more assimilated.

    One thing interesting I found about Chinese immigrant parents vs. Korean immigrant parents is that the former are much more interested in their kids speaking Mandarin Chinese than the latter are in their children speaking Korean. That’s confirmed by survey data and comports with my own observation (I heard numerous Korean parents say, “What would be the point of learning Korean?”).

    I think at least a part of the explanation is the big country vs. small country origination. Ceteris paribus, immigrants from smaller countries tend to assimilate faster, because bigger countries have more prominent and, yes, more world-historically significant cultural traditions that exert a pull from the people who originate from them, no matter where they are. So, equalizing other factors*, Danes and Poles assimilated faster than Germans and Russians, Bangladeshis faster than Indians, and Koreans faster than Chinese.

    *There are, of course, always many other factors, such as selectivity, religion, linguistic propinquity, etc.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Only in Asia would Korea, 75 million strong, be considered a small country.

    However, the future may be different:


    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/south-koreas-population-disaster-coming-81956
    , @res

    One thing interesting I found about Chinese immigrant parents vs. Korean immigrant parents is that the former are much more interested in their kids speaking Mandarin Chinese than the latter are in their children speaking Korean.
     
    That seems pretty smart of the Chinese parents given the increasingly large role China has in the world.
  70. @Anonymous
    It seems to me that a very large fraction of your readership has Asian wives, has lived in Asia, or both.

    Angry white men tend be beta and lower status (=Asian wives.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Angry white men tend be beta and lower status (=Asian wives.)
     
    Phil Gramm, Mitch McConnell, Bruno Gollnisch, John Lennon, Nicholas Cage, Mark Zuckerberg, Rupert Murdoch...

    https://www.seekingasianfemale.com


    https://goodmenproject.com/social-justice-2/subtle-racism-targets-white-men-with-asian-women-wcz/
  71. @AnotherDad
    I know a lot Indians--from grad school and work. Several who are first class additions and assimilating well. A lot who are just chunks of India plopped down in America.

    I don't think we--nationalists, Western civ preservationists--win with the comparative ethnicities pitch.

    Rather we win with the basic truth: Immigration is bad for *Americans*. Not in Americans' interest, which is all that matters.

    The United States did not actually *need* any immigration at all. The inhabitants in 1776 would have done just fine through natural increase without letting my ancestors in. Though i understand why they wanted it to settle the West faster and see off any competition, invasion.

    After the closing of the frontier--now 120-140 years ago--immigration was just silly. The only benefit driving down the relative percentage of blacks ... but at great cost.

    Now immigration delivers only wage suppression, high housing prices, traffic congestion, increased public spending, balkanization and political and social contention. It's such an open disaster it's ridiculous. (Taking Franklin insights about why life in American was great ... and pitching those factors away.)

    Sure Americans could benefit from maybe 10,000/year very well chosen people with useful technical skills (ex. kid's doing great work on new battery technology, or methanol production or thorium cycle), good genes and attitudes and beliefs conducive to quick integration.

    But bottom line the winning case is an immigration moratorium. We have more than enough people--way more than enough--and allowing more to flood in is degrading our future more and more and more.

    But bottom line the winning case is an immigration moratorium. We have more than enough people–way more than enough–and allowing more to flood in is degrading our future more and more and more.

    There are many facts and numbers to support your assertion, but the GOP doesn’t even know them let alone attempt to use them in debates.

    First, we had about 42 million immigrants come between 1607 (Jamestown) and 1957, a period of 350 years. By 1957 our nation was fully settled, and as you described, the frontier was closed. Yet from 1965 forward we’ve have about 60 million immigrants with absolutely no end in sight. Not only is there no end in sight, but it’s becoming accepted that we need a steady dose of 1 to 2 million per year which the other side seems to think is non-negotiable.

    Second, it doesn’t take a genius to see that much of the manual work we used to have has long ago been offshored. So we are bringing in more potential laborers while continuing to move production offshore. Additionally, our betters inform us that automation and AI is going to render redundant even more jobs in the near future. Yet our current immigration policy has yet to take this into account.

    Third, we are told the world is going to end in 12 years due to woman-made warming. We are also told that residents of the USA have a larger annual carbon footprint than anyone on earth. Yet we continue to accept immigrants from lower carbon areas and turn them into American carbon producers in spite of this. What gives? Is climate change an issue or not? Are they saying immigration is a higher priority than saving the planet?

    Fourth, we have reached a point in overall population where it is increasingly harder to maintain a national identity. I think people call this scale. Even if the USA were still 88% White, a nation of 330 million is much harder to hold together than one of 200 million. And from what we have seen in the last few election cycles, this nation is holding together by threads. A large fraction hates the other and vice versa. Yet we keep adding more and more people to the mix thus growing larger and larger and more diverse. If anything we are hastening the day when America might no longer be governable.

    Fifth, we will never be able to take in any material amount of the rest of the world into Europe and the English New World offshoots. Take the figure of 60 million coming to the USA in the past half century. That is a record with no precedent. Now let’s assume we take another 60 million over the next 30 years and the EU does the same. That would be 120 million people in 30 years.

    The result would be that there would still be more people in the developing world 30 years from now than there are today since their births would more than make that up. Additionally it means we and Europe will have a shit ton more people we don’t need.

    The only way the rest of the world develops is if they keep their top talent. We can’t continue to practice neo-colonialism and extract the best resources of the developing world if we also want them to become self-sufficient. No matter how much we open up, literally 100 percent of the developing world is staying behind. Without their top talent, they are doomed.

    In my view there are more arguments against mass immigration on the Left than the Right. Yet the Left ignores them because of their desire for complete power, the power they think they will get as a result of lemmings voting for them. Of course peoples in the past who have invited foreign interlopers to help them put down domestic opponents have often gotten more than they bargained for. But I guess the Left thinks they can ride this bull.

    It all boils down to demographics. The Right wants to preserve them. The Left wants to destroy them.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Almost all of what you say is spot on.

    However, the report did not say the world would end in 12 years if we don’t stop global warming. What the report said is the goal of holding global warming to 1.5 or 2 degrees C cannot be achieved if we don’t make significant progress in halting global warming in the next 12 years. In fact, we may or may not have reached a tipping point whereby melting tundra releasing methane gas will cause unstoppable and accelerating global warming no matter what we do.

    Your point that immigration greatly increases the carbon footprint of the individual immigrants is 100% correct. In some cases the footprint increases 10-20 fold.

    When I have brought that same point on left wing forums I get one of the three following arguments:

    1. It is immoral to try to stop global warming by forcing would-be immigrants to live in poverty. In other words, we have to sacrifice the entire planet to avoid inconvenience to a few millions of would-be immigrants or we are horrible racist xenophobic fascists. Or something.

    2. “Environmental concern knows no boundaries “.
    I can’t figure that one out at all. That is supposed to refute the claims that immigration increases global warming by magical hand waving.

    3, “Give me your tired, your poor ...”
    Somehow the Statue of Liberty will stop global warming if we let in enough immigrants?
    Quite seriously, a number of people think they can completely refute any arguments for limiting immigration by invoking the magical powers of the Statue of Liberty. It’s Who We Are.

    My complaint is that most people are sheep and idiots.
    People on the right have been brainwashed to think that global warming is a hoax, while the probability of this happening by chance is less than the probability of winning the lottery every drawing for the rest of your life.
    People on the left have been brainwashed to think we can solve the issue of global warming if we just BELIEVE!!! Hear me Tinkerbell? Hear all the clapping? Now stop global warming!

    Stopping global warming takes hard choices. People don’t want to make hard choices. So one side pretends the problem doesn’t exist, while the other side pretends the problem can be solved by magically throwing money at it.

    We need to stop immigration from third world to first world countries, no matter what sacred cow cannot enter our country. We need to send gazillions of dollars in aid to third world countries for family planning, no matter who it pisses off. We need modern nuclear power, which is far safer than the stuff at Chernobyl or Fukushima or even Three Mile Island. We need to invest heavily in wind and solar and geothermal energy. We need carbon sequestration, which is currently extremely expensive but will hopefully be cheaper over time.

    I don’t care who I piss off.

    , @War for Blair Mountain
    India is not harmed in the least by importing Indian Engineers...Doctors...Computer Programers to America....Do you speak on behalf of India?....They get to vote Whitey into a racial minority within the borders of America....
  72. @Twinkie
    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about immigration:
    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    Is visual phenotype a major factor in the index? To its detriment, it doesn’t seem so: Non-whites should be rated near zero.

    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about “assimilation”:

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    I guess i better get busy buying the guns my kids and grandkids should have--now.
    , @Twinkie
    You are partly trolling, but if you are serious at all, you should find data on:

    1. How white immigrants from Europe fare on the data. You are probably not going to like the result.

    2. Breakdown of the same data by country origin among “Asians” - you are going to get pretty divergent numbers.
  73. @Ibound1
    I see no reason to be "fair" to foreign workers. Fairness implies neutrality. I am not neutral. I want an unfairness for foreign workers act.

    …be “fair” to foreign workers

    “Fair”, of course, means that if they send 200,000 to be succored with first world amenities in our country, then we send 200,000 to their country to be succored with first world amenities.

  74. Totally OT – the dam is breaking around immigration and diversity. When even someone like former Wesleyan University professor and Afro-American jazz legend Anthony Braxton is expressing skepticism about high rates of immigration, you know something’s about to give:

    “In many ways, I understand the complex reaction that has opened up with the arrival of complete equality for all of our citizens, which has to be the baseline for any culture. And yet at the same time, the church is now viewed as a hate group. When I was coming up, John Coltrane talked about The Creator and the need to look inside yourself, and the fact that there are things like ethics and value systems. There are codes of behavior, which have worked pretty well for the last 2,500 years. It seems to me, in this period, we are making changes in a way that’s maybe a little too quick. You have migrants come to America. This has made our country great. But when it’s done in a way where you’re bringing people in in a short time space, there’s no time for a community to come together, to have vibrational unity.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Guys who played with Coltrane are allowed to use the word "vibrant" anyway they like.
  75. @Anonymous
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, subcon immigration into the USA will make the American experience of late 20th century Mexican immigration seem like the proverbial Vicarage Tea Party in comparison.

    Mark my words.

    Also, expect the deadheads who run the EU to instigate and encourage massive subcon immigration.

    … subcon immigration into the USA will make the American experience of late 20th century Mexican immigration seem like the proverbial Vicarage Tea Party in comparison.

    And the Chinese immigration will make us nostalgic for the good old days of subcon immi.

    And the Muslim immigration will make us nostalgic for the good old days of Chinese immi.

    And the African immigration will make us nostalgic for the good old days of Muslim immi.

  76. Steve

    Trump spoke to 50 thousand Hindu “Americans” in a stadium in Houst0n…the Fascist Leader of India….Modi….in the front row….Trump started off by boasting that White Males are a minority in the US Labor Force….to the applause of Modi and 50 thousand Hindu “Americans”….

    Don’t you think you ought to make a post about this?

  77. @istevefan

    But bottom line the winning case is an immigration moratorium. We have more than enough people–way more than enough–and allowing more to flood in is degrading our future more and more and more.
     
    There are many facts and numbers to support your assertion, but the GOP doesn't even know them let alone attempt to use them in debates.

    First, we had about 42 million immigrants come between 1607 (Jamestown) and 1957, a period of 350 years. By 1957 our nation was fully settled, and as you described, the frontier was closed. Yet from 1965 forward we've have about 60 million immigrants with absolutely no end in sight. Not only is there no end in sight, but it's becoming accepted that we need a steady dose of 1 to 2 million per year which the other side seems to think is non-negotiable.

    Second, it doesn't take a genius to see that much of the manual work we used to have has long ago been offshored. So we are bringing in more potential laborers while continuing to move production offshore. Additionally, our betters inform us that automation and AI is going to render redundant even more jobs in the near future. Yet our current immigration policy has yet to take this into account.

    Third, we are told the world is going to end in 12 years due to woman-made warming. We are also told that residents of the USA have a larger annual carbon footprint than anyone on earth. Yet we continue to accept immigrants from lower carbon areas and turn them into American carbon producers in spite of this. What gives? Is climate change an issue or not? Are they saying immigration is a higher priority than saving the planet?

    Fourth, we have reached a point in overall population where it is increasingly harder to maintain a national identity. I think people call this scale. Even if the USA were still 88% White, a nation of 330 million is much harder to hold together than one of 200 million. And from what we have seen in the last few election cycles, this nation is holding together by threads. A large fraction hates the other and vice versa. Yet we keep adding more and more people to the mix thus growing larger and larger and more diverse. If anything we are hastening the day when America might no longer be governable.

    Fifth, we will never be able to take in any material amount of the rest of the world into Europe and the English New World offshoots. Take the figure of 60 million coming to the USA in the past half century. That is a record with no precedent. Now let's assume we take another 60 million over the next 30 years and the EU does the same. That would be 120 million people in 30 years.

    The result would be that there would still be more people in the developing world 30 years from now than there are today since their births would more than make that up. Additionally it means we and Europe will have a shit ton more people we don't need.

    The only way the rest of the world develops is if they keep their top talent. We can't continue to practice neo-colonialism and extract the best resources of the developing world if we also want them to become self-sufficient. No matter how much we open up, literally 100 percent of the developing world is staying behind. Without their top talent, they are doomed.

    In my view there are more arguments against mass immigration on the Left than the Right. Yet the Left ignores them because of their desire for complete power, the power they think they will get as a result of lemmings voting for them. Of course peoples in the past who have invited foreign interlopers to help them put down domestic opponents have often gotten more than they bargained for. But I guess the Left thinks they can ride this bull.

    It all boils down to demographics. The Right wants to preserve them. The Left wants to destroy them.

    Almost all of what you say is spot on.

    However, the report did not say the world would end in 12 years if we don’t stop global warming. What the report said is the goal of holding global warming to 1.5 or 2 degrees C cannot be achieved if we don’t make significant progress in halting global warming in the next 12 years. In fact, we may or may not have reached a tipping point whereby melting tundra releasing methane gas will cause unstoppable and accelerating global warming no matter what we do.

    Your point that immigration greatly increases the carbon footprint of the individual immigrants is 100% correct. In some cases the footprint increases 10-20 fold.

    When I have brought that same point on left wing forums I get one of the three following arguments:

    1. It is immoral to try to stop global warming by forcing would-be immigrants to live in poverty. In other words, we have to sacrifice the entire planet to avoid inconvenience to a few millions of would-be immigrants or we are horrible racist xenophobic fascists. Or something.

    2. “Environmental concern knows no boundaries “.
    I can’t figure that one out at all. That is supposed to refute the claims that immigration increases global warming by magical hand waving.

    3, “Give me your tired, your poor …”
    Somehow the Statue of Liberty will stop global warming if we let in enough immigrants?
    Quite seriously, a number of people think they can completely refute any arguments for limiting immigration by invoking the magical powers of the Statue of Liberty. It’s Who We Are.

    My complaint is that most people are sheep and idiots.
    People on the right have been brainwashed to think that global warming is a hoax, while the probability of this happening by chance is less than the probability of winning the lottery every drawing for the rest of your life.
    People on the left have been brainwashed to think we can solve the issue of global warming if we just BELIEVE!!! Hear me Tinkerbell? Hear all the clapping? Now stop global warming!

    Stopping global warming takes hard choices. People don’t want to make hard choices. So one side pretends the problem doesn’t exist, while the other side pretends the problem can be solved by magically throwing money at it.

    We need to stop immigration from third world to first world countries, no matter what sacred cow cannot enter our country. We need to send gazillions of dollars in aid to third world countries for family planning, no matter who it pisses off. We need modern nuclear power, which is far safer than the stuff at Chernobyl or Fukushima or even Three Mile Island. We need to invest heavily in wind and solar and geothermal energy. We need carbon sequestration, which is currently extremely expensive but will hopefully be cheaper over time.

    I don’t care who I piss off.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Stopping global warming takes hard choices.
     
    As does stopping plate tectonics.
    , @istevefan

    Stopping global warming takes hard choices. People don’t want to make hard choices.
     
    I agree humans can trash the planet. Humans can pollute the water supply, deforest our forests and generally consume resources like fish stocks at unsustainable rates. However, I don't agree that humans control the climate.

    I don't know why the environmentalist got all caught up with trying to make this a fight about global warming or climate change when the legitimate issue is one of conservation and preservation of what we have.

    If you have seen any of those videos of third world rivers full of plastic garbage you will know what I am getting at. Our environmentalists appear to be totally oblivious to that and the very real problem burgeoning third world populations pose to our natural resources. Instead they focus all the attention on the diminishing populations of the West that admittedly have gone to great lengths to clean their air and water from what it was in the 1970s.

    Instead of praising that effort and trying to replicate it worldwide, they double down on Western peoples and nations in what one can only imagine is just a ruse to gain control over those nations.

    When I was a kid the focus was always on cleaning up the environment in tangible ways like removing trash from the Great Lakes, replanting trees, trying to reestablish native prairie grasses, and restoring animal habitat, e.g. Ducks Unlimited.

    Now it's all about pie-in-the-sky ideas that always involve more government bureaucracy and taxes, and ceding national sovereignty. Where the conservation movement involves locals cleaning up their local area, this is more of a globalist thing which sets off the BS detectors in the large fraction of the White population who detest globalism.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Thoroughly agree with you on all counts. I’d say that we should offer large cash incentives to young people from high-crime and high-poverty areas here at home for voluntary sterilization.
    , @The Alarmist

    We need to invest heavily in wind and solar and geothermal energy. We need carbon sequestration, which is currently extremely expensive but will hopefully be cheaper over time.
     
    In a world where much of the life, which is carbon-based, evolved at times when atmospheric carbon dioxide levels were far higher than those today, one must wonder what climate change freaks have been smoking. They are asking the rest of us to radically alter our lives to fit their still unproven hypothesis. And for some reason, they seem to hate plant life and want to starve it by doing silly things like pumping CO2 into the ground.

    I'm in the Heliocentrism school: There's a reason Mars is heating up too, and it isn't AGW.

    We need to stop and take a deep breath ... but don't breathe out, because you'll kill the planet.
    , @Redneck farmer
    Pay $45 an acre to plant Italian ryegrass as a cover crop, and you'll get a fair bit of carbon sequestering every year.
  78. @Anonymous
    It seems to me that a very large fraction of your readership has Asian wives, has lived in Asia, or both.

    And this is why the alt-right White Nationalist movement will fail in the end.

    Because men who say they are alt-right White Nationalists are even more likely to have an interracial marriage than liberal white men.

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    Sounds like bullshit. There are plenty of conservatives and civic nationalists who are white with 'Asian' wives, whether actually from Asia or Asian-American, and this may be on parity with liberal men, but I doubt it for white nationalists. White nationalism will fail because it's just a lot easier to defend stringent immigration restriction for cultural, economic, and law and order reasons. Strangely, all these are very legitimate reasons...and actually, deep down in my heart, the true reason I want almost zero immigration. Not every isteve reader panics because Steve and Amy Chan -- nice people -- live next door. Nor apologizes in the least because he doesn't want more foreigners from anywhere coming in. It's not complicated.
  79. @Blinky Bill
    How easily White guys can take their women ? 😉

    This is basically it. I don’t see any reason to have large numbers of Filipinos and Vietnamese around.

  80. @istevefan

    But bottom line the winning case is an immigration moratorium. We have more than enough people–way more than enough–and allowing more to flood in is degrading our future more and more and more.
     
    There are many facts and numbers to support your assertion, but the GOP doesn't even know them let alone attempt to use them in debates.

    First, we had about 42 million immigrants come between 1607 (Jamestown) and 1957, a period of 350 years. By 1957 our nation was fully settled, and as you described, the frontier was closed. Yet from 1965 forward we've have about 60 million immigrants with absolutely no end in sight. Not only is there no end in sight, but it's becoming accepted that we need a steady dose of 1 to 2 million per year which the other side seems to think is non-negotiable.

    Second, it doesn't take a genius to see that much of the manual work we used to have has long ago been offshored. So we are bringing in more potential laborers while continuing to move production offshore. Additionally, our betters inform us that automation and AI is going to render redundant even more jobs in the near future. Yet our current immigration policy has yet to take this into account.

    Third, we are told the world is going to end in 12 years due to woman-made warming. We are also told that residents of the USA have a larger annual carbon footprint than anyone on earth. Yet we continue to accept immigrants from lower carbon areas and turn them into American carbon producers in spite of this. What gives? Is climate change an issue or not? Are they saying immigration is a higher priority than saving the planet?

    Fourth, we have reached a point in overall population where it is increasingly harder to maintain a national identity. I think people call this scale. Even if the USA were still 88% White, a nation of 330 million is much harder to hold together than one of 200 million. And from what we have seen in the last few election cycles, this nation is holding together by threads. A large fraction hates the other and vice versa. Yet we keep adding more and more people to the mix thus growing larger and larger and more diverse. If anything we are hastening the day when America might no longer be governable.

    Fifth, we will never be able to take in any material amount of the rest of the world into Europe and the English New World offshoots. Take the figure of 60 million coming to the USA in the past half century. That is a record with no precedent. Now let's assume we take another 60 million over the next 30 years and the EU does the same. That would be 120 million people in 30 years.

    The result would be that there would still be more people in the developing world 30 years from now than there are today since their births would more than make that up. Additionally it means we and Europe will have a shit ton more people we don't need.

    The only way the rest of the world develops is if they keep their top talent. We can't continue to practice neo-colonialism and extract the best resources of the developing world if we also want them to become self-sufficient. No matter how much we open up, literally 100 percent of the developing world is staying behind. Without their top talent, they are doomed.

    In my view there are more arguments against mass immigration on the Left than the Right. Yet the Left ignores them because of their desire for complete power, the power they think they will get as a result of lemmings voting for them. Of course peoples in the past who have invited foreign interlopers to help them put down domestic opponents have often gotten more than they bargained for. But I guess the Left thinks they can ride this bull.

    It all boils down to demographics. The Right wants to preserve them. The Left wants to destroy them.

    India is not harmed in the least by importing Indian Engineers…Doctors…Computer Programers to America….Do you speak on behalf of India?….They get to vote Whitey into a racial minority within the borders of America….

  81. Now immigration delivers only wage suppression, high housing prices, traffic congestion, increased public spending, balkanization and political and social contention

    Exactly what has happened in Canada. Indians aren’t the worst immigrants- Chinese, Somalis, Muslims and Jamaicans are. But Canada would be better off without them. The only net benefit immigrants Canada has taken in since the 1940s would be post-War Europeans – including Jews

  82. @Paleo Liberal
    Almost all of what you say is spot on.

    However, the report did not say the world would end in 12 years if we don’t stop global warming. What the report said is the goal of holding global warming to 1.5 or 2 degrees C cannot be achieved if we don’t make significant progress in halting global warming in the next 12 years. In fact, we may or may not have reached a tipping point whereby melting tundra releasing methane gas will cause unstoppable and accelerating global warming no matter what we do.

    Your point that immigration greatly increases the carbon footprint of the individual immigrants is 100% correct. In some cases the footprint increases 10-20 fold.

    When I have brought that same point on left wing forums I get one of the three following arguments:

    1. It is immoral to try to stop global warming by forcing would-be immigrants to live in poverty. In other words, we have to sacrifice the entire planet to avoid inconvenience to a few millions of would-be immigrants or we are horrible racist xenophobic fascists. Or something.

    2. “Environmental concern knows no boundaries “.
    I can’t figure that one out at all. That is supposed to refute the claims that immigration increases global warming by magical hand waving.

    3, “Give me your tired, your poor ...”
    Somehow the Statue of Liberty will stop global warming if we let in enough immigrants?
    Quite seriously, a number of people think they can completely refute any arguments for limiting immigration by invoking the magical powers of the Statue of Liberty. It’s Who We Are.

    My complaint is that most people are sheep and idiots.
    People on the right have been brainwashed to think that global warming is a hoax, while the probability of this happening by chance is less than the probability of winning the lottery every drawing for the rest of your life.
    People on the left have been brainwashed to think we can solve the issue of global warming if we just BELIEVE!!! Hear me Tinkerbell? Hear all the clapping? Now stop global warming!

    Stopping global warming takes hard choices. People don’t want to make hard choices. So one side pretends the problem doesn’t exist, while the other side pretends the problem can be solved by magically throwing money at it.

    We need to stop immigration from third world to first world countries, no matter what sacred cow cannot enter our country. We need to send gazillions of dollars in aid to third world countries for family planning, no matter who it pisses off. We need modern nuclear power, which is far safer than the stuff at Chernobyl or Fukushima or even Three Mile Island. We need to invest heavily in wind and solar and geothermal energy. We need carbon sequestration, which is currently extremely expensive but will hopefully be cheaper over time.

    I don’t care who I piss off.

    Stopping global warming takes hard choices.

    As does stopping plate tectonics.

    • Agree: JMcG
  83. @Lot
    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.

    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.

    It’s a mediocre test Lot. Certainly a positive correlation … but that’s about it. (Especially with female names lots of people like something a bit different.)

    No the test for assimilation is … actual assimilation.

    Do they or their children marry into–or toward–the white Christian core population.

    That’s pretty much it. Endogamous ethnic groups–even if successful like the Jews–cause balkanization. (And if smart and verbal can cause you even more problems. I.e. the Jews have caused way more problems than the Amish.) Some high caste Indians show this profile–high IQ, but alienated–as well. They are alienated from core America over Christianity, hamburgers, etc. Muslims are giant pain in the ass. Regardless of whether they have the IQ for economic success, they are alienated/separated from core American by religion.

    And if core Americans show little interest in marrying with a group, that is a big flashing red flag as well about the quality and assimilability of the group.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Your last paragraph is an astute observation that I haven’t seen before this.

    Our immigration should consist of very little more than exactly those people — people from abroad whom US Citizens choose to marry, and a highly selective group of unusually highly-skilled people, with strong express preference for those from our ancestral lands in Europe (and Russia). No birthright citizenship, no family reunification and chain migration, almost no H1Bs, and certainly no buying citizenship with investments or bank deposits.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    No the test for assimilation is … actual assimilation.

    Do they or their children marry into–or toward–the white Christian core population.
     
    Caribbean blacks assimilate faster than anybody. Just not on this metric. (And we don't want them to!)


    It all depends on which America you mean assimilation to.
    , @Lot
    “Do they or their children marry into–or toward–the white Christian core population.”

    That’s another valid test, but also involves sexual market differences and region.

    But a married immigrant couple always will weigh a name from the homeland against one that respects the new country’s majority culture.

    , @Twinkie

    Do they or their children marry into–or toward–the white Christian core population...

    And if core Americans show little interest in marrying with a group, that is a big flashing red flag as well about the quality and assimilability of the group.
     
    Intermarriage is already factored into the index.

    Overall, Asians have only slightly higher intermarriage rates than Hispanics. But note that 1) a higher percentage of Hispanics are American-born than Asians and 2) Asian immigrants are older and tend to arrive already married, so in reality Asian intermarriage rate is likely much higher once the factors are equalized.

    Among American-raised Asians, Koreans have the highest intermarriage rate with whites while Indians have the lowest.
    , @Hail

    Do they or their children marry into–or toward–the white Christian core population.
     
    The mixed-race children of such unions very often become alienated from the core population, often moreso than full-on foreign-origin people.

    The identitarian trajectory of Barack Obama is a small, well-known example. Another example that comes to mind is Tim Wise, who despite only one Jewish grandparent is a strongly identified Jew and hostile to White-Christian America; arguably, Terrible Tim Wise represents a weird kind of "failure of assimilation."

    The big exception is foreign-origin White-Christians (esp. as one gets closer to NW Europe stock) marrying into the White-Christian population (as has been the case for almost all US history).

    Conclusion: The ethnic element remains key for stable, multi-generational assimilation.

  84. @Paleo Liberal
    Almost all of what you say is spot on.

    However, the report did not say the world would end in 12 years if we don’t stop global warming. What the report said is the goal of holding global warming to 1.5 or 2 degrees C cannot be achieved if we don’t make significant progress in halting global warming in the next 12 years. In fact, we may or may not have reached a tipping point whereby melting tundra releasing methane gas will cause unstoppable and accelerating global warming no matter what we do.

    Your point that immigration greatly increases the carbon footprint of the individual immigrants is 100% correct. In some cases the footprint increases 10-20 fold.

    When I have brought that same point on left wing forums I get one of the three following arguments:

    1. It is immoral to try to stop global warming by forcing would-be immigrants to live in poverty. In other words, we have to sacrifice the entire planet to avoid inconvenience to a few millions of would-be immigrants or we are horrible racist xenophobic fascists. Or something.

    2. “Environmental concern knows no boundaries “.
    I can’t figure that one out at all. That is supposed to refute the claims that immigration increases global warming by magical hand waving.

    3, “Give me your tired, your poor ...”
    Somehow the Statue of Liberty will stop global warming if we let in enough immigrants?
    Quite seriously, a number of people think they can completely refute any arguments for limiting immigration by invoking the magical powers of the Statue of Liberty. It’s Who We Are.

    My complaint is that most people are sheep and idiots.
    People on the right have been brainwashed to think that global warming is a hoax, while the probability of this happening by chance is less than the probability of winning the lottery every drawing for the rest of your life.
    People on the left have been brainwashed to think we can solve the issue of global warming if we just BELIEVE!!! Hear me Tinkerbell? Hear all the clapping? Now stop global warming!

    Stopping global warming takes hard choices. People don’t want to make hard choices. So one side pretends the problem doesn’t exist, while the other side pretends the problem can be solved by magically throwing money at it.

    We need to stop immigration from third world to first world countries, no matter what sacred cow cannot enter our country. We need to send gazillions of dollars in aid to third world countries for family planning, no matter who it pisses off. We need modern nuclear power, which is far safer than the stuff at Chernobyl or Fukushima or even Three Mile Island. We need to invest heavily in wind and solar and geothermal energy. We need carbon sequestration, which is currently extremely expensive but will hopefully be cheaper over time.

    I don’t care who I piss off.

    Stopping global warming takes hard choices. People don’t want to make hard choices.

    I agree humans can trash the planet. Humans can pollute the water supply, deforest our forests and generally consume resources like fish stocks at unsustainable rates. However, I don’t agree that humans control the climate.

    I don’t know why the environmentalist got all caught up with trying to make this a fight about global warming or climate change when the legitimate issue is one of conservation and preservation of what we have.

    If you have seen any of those videos of third world rivers full of plastic garbage you will know what I am getting at. Our environmentalists appear to be totally oblivious to that and the very real problem burgeoning third world populations pose to our natural resources. Instead they focus all the attention on the diminishing populations of the West that admittedly have gone to great lengths to clean their air and water from what it was in the 1970s.

    Instead of praising that effort and trying to replicate it worldwide, they double down on Western peoples and nations in what one can only imagine is just a ruse to gain control over those nations.

    When I was a kid the focus was always on cleaning up the environment in tangible ways like removing trash from the Great Lakes, replanting trees, trying to reestablish native prairie grasses, and restoring animal habitat, e.g. Ducks Unlimited.

    Now it’s all about pie-in-the-sky ideas that always involve more government bureaucracy and taxes, and ceding national sovereignty. Where the conservation movement involves locals cleaning up their local area, this is more of a globalist thing which sets off the BS detectors in the large fraction of the White population who detest globalism.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  85. @Twinkie

    But on the whole, Koreans are more assimilated.
     
    One thing interesting I found about Chinese immigrant parents vs. Korean immigrant parents is that the former are much more interested in their kids speaking Mandarin Chinese than the latter are in their children speaking Korean. That’s confirmed by survey data and comports with my own observation (I heard numerous Korean parents say, “What would be the point of learning Korean?”).

    I think at least a part of the explanation is the big country vs. small country origination. Ceteris paribus, immigrants from smaller countries tend to assimilate faster, because bigger countries have more prominent and, yes, more world-historically significant cultural traditions that exert a pull from the people who originate from them, no matter where they are. So, equalizing other factors*, Danes and Poles assimilated faster than Germans and Russians, Bangladeshis faster than Indians, and Koreans faster than Chinese.

    *There are, of course, always many other factors, such as selectivity, religion, linguistic propinquity, etc.

    Only in Asia would Korea, 75 million strong, be considered a small country.

    However, the future may be different:

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/south-koreas-population-disaster-coming-81956

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    True, but for purposes of deciding whether to spend years learning a language that’s not widely spoken here, 75 million is small.

    Excluding Spanish, worldwide more people speak mandarin as a first language than all the languages of Europe COMBINED (including Portuguese in populous Brazil).
    , @tomv
    75 mil is not small even by Asia standards, but you get that figure only by counting the two Koreas together. Rather dubious.
    , @Lot
    Nearly 1.0 fertility among NE Asians is such a tragedy for the planet and human race. Factor in sex ratios at birth and importation of SE Asian brides, and the average Korean woman may have less than 0.5 daughters.
    , @Twinkie

    Only in Asia would Korea, 75 million strong, be considered a small country.
     
    South Korea has 50 million, and during the peak of immigration from there, the population was more like 45 million. And, yes, that’s rather small compared to populations of China, India, and Japan.
  86. @Louis Renault
    The Conquest of the New World, second edition.

    No, third edition. Atlantic European (with African slaves) were the second edition. First edition the Siberian ancestors of the Amerindians themselves, who conquered and/or absorbed, and at any rate supplanted, peoples more closely related to Australian aborigines. Or so I have read.

  87. @Paleo Liberal
    Almost all of what you say is spot on.

    However, the report did not say the world would end in 12 years if we don’t stop global warming. What the report said is the goal of holding global warming to 1.5 or 2 degrees C cannot be achieved if we don’t make significant progress in halting global warming in the next 12 years. In fact, we may or may not have reached a tipping point whereby melting tundra releasing methane gas will cause unstoppable and accelerating global warming no matter what we do.

    Your point that immigration greatly increases the carbon footprint of the individual immigrants is 100% correct. In some cases the footprint increases 10-20 fold.

    When I have brought that same point on left wing forums I get one of the three following arguments:

    1. It is immoral to try to stop global warming by forcing would-be immigrants to live in poverty. In other words, we have to sacrifice the entire planet to avoid inconvenience to a few millions of would-be immigrants or we are horrible racist xenophobic fascists. Or something.

    2. “Environmental concern knows no boundaries “.
    I can’t figure that one out at all. That is supposed to refute the claims that immigration increases global warming by magical hand waving.

    3, “Give me your tired, your poor ...”
    Somehow the Statue of Liberty will stop global warming if we let in enough immigrants?
    Quite seriously, a number of people think they can completely refute any arguments for limiting immigration by invoking the magical powers of the Statue of Liberty. It’s Who We Are.

    My complaint is that most people are sheep and idiots.
    People on the right have been brainwashed to think that global warming is a hoax, while the probability of this happening by chance is less than the probability of winning the lottery every drawing for the rest of your life.
    People on the left have been brainwashed to think we can solve the issue of global warming if we just BELIEVE!!! Hear me Tinkerbell? Hear all the clapping? Now stop global warming!

    Stopping global warming takes hard choices. People don’t want to make hard choices. So one side pretends the problem doesn’t exist, while the other side pretends the problem can be solved by magically throwing money at it.

    We need to stop immigration from third world to first world countries, no matter what sacred cow cannot enter our country. We need to send gazillions of dollars in aid to third world countries for family planning, no matter who it pisses off. We need modern nuclear power, which is far safer than the stuff at Chernobyl or Fukushima or even Three Mile Island. We need to invest heavily in wind and solar and geothermal energy. We need carbon sequestration, which is currently extremely expensive but will hopefully be cheaper over time.

    I don’t care who I piss off.

    Thoroughly agree with you on all counts. I’d say that we should offer large cash incentives to young people from high-crime and high-poverty areas here at home for voluntary sterilization.

  88. @Jack D
    Filipinos sort of strike me as a slightly better grade of Puerto Rican. They are what we would have hoped the Puerto Ricans to be except that Puerto Ricans had African blood instead of Asian blood and that didn't work out as well for living among white people. But ultimately (except for the Filipinos who are overseas Chinese) they are jungle Asians and not fancy Asians. Being a jungle Asian is better than being a jungle African but it's not the same as being a fancy Asian. Of course fancy Asians have their own weaknesses (which are often the flip side of their strengths) but in the end as the car guys say there's no replacement for displacement (IQ). If you really want to guess what some immigrant group will turn out like, your best bet is to look at what kind of civilization they have in their home country.

    If you really want to guess what some immigrant group will turn out like, your best bet is to look at what kind of civilization they have in their home country.

    Exactly–Jack nails it.

    If you want your nation to be more like China–import Chinese.
    Want it to be more like India–import Indians.
    Want it to be more like Arabia–import Arabs.
    Want it to be more like Germany–import Germans.
    Want it to be more like Mexico–import Mexicans.
    Want it to be more like Haiti–import Haitians.

    I can–easily–pick and choose among those choices. But i don’t need any of them. America is–or at least was–just fine being American.

    • Replies: @ricpic
    There is no resistance to the many invasions for fear of being called RACISS or BIGOT. And since that fear will not be overcome no matter how horrific the invasions the invasions will continue.
    , @The Alarmist
    There's a reason the Third World is the Third World, and it isn't the lack of magic dirt.
  89. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Is visual phenotype a major factor in the index? To its detriment, it doesn’t seem so: Non-whites should be rated near zero.

    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about “assimilation”:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOO0WaaUMAAG-HC.jpg:large

    I guess i better get busy buying the guns my kids and grandkids should have–now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Buy all the actually useful guns you can buy legally without a paper trail from gun shows that you can reasonably afford now. A couple of 12 gauge pump guns, some pistols of varying kinds, few good .22 rifles and a good bolt action deer rifle or two in .243 or .308.

    Don't bother with blackpowder guns, single shot target guns, et al. Avoid lever actions unless you plan on mounted cavalry operations or hunting from horses or ATVs. Same with single action thumb buster revolvers.

    ARs and AK/SKS's are what theyll go for first along with handguns. You might want to have one or two for real and a couple more for surrendering if "they get real serious" and search the house.

    I've got several autopistols and a dismantled carbine length rifle or two set in blocks of candle wax and buried just on the off chance. I covered my entire yard and much of my next door neighbors' in carbon steel lathe shavings before the snow so metal detectors will be useless. Either they'll conclude I buried a main battle tank and so did my neighbors and excavate all of us or figure it's natural and go away.
    , @Twinkie
    Don’t forget the ammo. Have at least 10,000 rounds for each caliber you use and more for 22 LR (bricks of which make for fine currency in extremis).
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I guess i better get busy buying the guns my kids and grandkids should have–now.
     
    That would make it more expensive for Beto to buy them back.
  90. @AnotherDad

    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.
     
    It's a mediocre test Lot. Certainly a positive correlation ... but that's about it. (Especially with female names lots of people like something a bit different.)


    No the test for assimilation is ... actual assimilation.

    Do they or their children marry into--or toward--the white Christian core population.

    That's pretty much it. Endogamous ethnic groups--even if successful like the Jews--cause balkanization. (And if smart and verbal can cause you even more problems. I.e. the Jews have caused way more problems than the Amish.) Some high caste Indians show this profile--high IQ, but alienated--as well. They are alienated from core America over Christianity, hamburgers, etc. Muslims are giant pain in the ass. Regardless of whether they have the IQ for economic success, they are alienated/separated from core American by religion.

    And if core Americans show little interest in marrying with a group, that is a big flashing red flag as well about the quality and assimilability of the group.

    Your last paragraph is an astute observation that I haven’t seen before this.

    Our immigration should consist of very little more than exactly those people — people from abroad whom US Citizens choose to marry, and a highly selective group of unusually highly-skilled people, with strong express preference for those from our ancestral lands in Europe (and Russia). No birthright citizenship, no family reunification and chain migration, almost no H1Bs, and certainly no buying citizenship with investments or bank deposits.

  91. @Anonymous
    It seems to me that a very large fraction of your readership has Asian wives, has lived in Asia, or both.

    Both, but I still oppose immigration. I wish the US had remained a white supermajority nation. We could accept the foreign spouses of citizens easily if the rest of the immigration system wasn’t so broken.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    So you're a hypocrite.

    If you're a white man, and you claim to be conservative, nationalist, anti-immigration, alt-right, or white nationalist, and you have lived in Asia or had an Asian gf or wife, you're a Grade A Hypocrite.

    I hope all of your single female relatives marry black men.
  92. @Odin
    Canadians are only 50% assimilated? They keep complaining about four-down football?

    No, they keep pushing “worthwhile initiatives”. Anathema to any red blooded American.

  93. @Reg Cæsar
    From that link:

    There’s a high probability they’ll learn English and get a job...


    It’s true that most Central American immigrants don’t speak English when they arrive to the US, but they tend to learn over time...

    The poverty rate for Central Americans declines the longer they are in the US.

     

    "High probability" should be "basic requirement for entrance". "Over time" should read "at home, before arrival".

    It should not be possible for their poverty rate to decline. It should be at zero from the beginning.

    And, as this story shows, not all assimilation is good-- it depends on what one assimilates to:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-suspected-overdose-killed-three-pittsburgh-after-party-n1057946

    “High probability” should be “basic requirement for entrance”. “Over time” should read “at home, before arrival”.”

    Really depends on Who/Whom.

    “And, as this story shows, not all assimilation is good– it depends on what one assimilates to…”

    Meth is more White Rural America.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/10/25/656192849/methamphetamine-roils-rural-towns-again-across-the-u-s

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Really depends on Who/Whom.
     
    Yes. Cheap employers and ethnic ward heelers are the Who who benefit, and less fortunate Americans are the Whom whom they screw.

    Meth is more White Rural America.
     
    The ones Tyson promises to hire, but don't. A native drug problem is a poor justification for bringing even more users and pushers from abroad.
  94. @Reg Cæsar
    Only in Asia would Korea, 75 million strong, be considered a small country.

    However, the future may be different:


    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/south-koreas-population-disaster-coming-81956

    True, but for purposes of deciding whether to spend years learning a language that’s not widely spoken here, 75 million is small.

    Excluding Spanish, worldwide more people speak mandarin as a first language than all the languages of Europe COMBINED (including Portuguese in populous Brazil).

  95. @AnotherDad

    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.
     
    It's a mediocre test Lot. Certainly a positive correlation ... but that's about it. (Especially with female names lots of people like something a bit different.)


    No the test for assimilation is ... actual assimilation.

    Do they or their children marry into--or toward--the white Christian core population.

    That's pretty much it. Endogamous ethnic groups--even if successful like the Jews--cause balkanization. (And if smart and verbal can cause you even more problems. I.e. the Jews have caused way more problems than the Amish.) Some high caste Indians show this profile--high IQ, but alienated--as well. They are alienated from core America over Christianity, hamburgers, etc. Muslims are giant pain in the ass. Regardless of whether they have the IQ for economic success, they are alienated/separated from core American by religion.

    And if core Americans show little interest in marrying with a group, that is a big flashing red flag as well about the quality and assimilability of the group.

    No the test for assimilation is … actual assimilation.

    Do they or their children marry into–or toward–the white Christian core population.

    Caribbean blacks assimilate faster than anybody. Just not on this metric. (And we don’t want them to!)

    It all depends on which America you mean assimilation to.

  96. I thought Columbus set sail for Cathay? Judging by the huge number of Chinese shopping in my local upstate New York Wegmans I’d say he found it.

  97. @AnotherDad

    If you really want to guess what some immigrant group will turn out like, your best bet is to look at what kind of civilization they have in their home country.
     
    Exactly--Jack nails it.

    If you want your nation to be more like China--import Chinese.
    Want it to be more like India--import Indians.
    Want it to be more like Arabia--import Arabs.
    Want it to be more like Germany--import Germans.
    Want it to be more like Mexico--import Mexicans.
    Want it to be more like Haiti--import Haitians.

    I can--easily--pick and choose among those choices. But i don't need any of them. America is--or at least was--just fine being American.

    There is no resistance to the many invasions for fear of being called RACISS or BIGOT. And since that fear will not be overcome no matter how horrific the invasions the invasions will continue.

  98. @Corvinus
    “High probability” should be “basic requirement for entrance”. “Over time” should read “at home, before arrival”."

    Really depends on Who/Whom.

    "And, as this story shows, not all assimilation is good– it depends on what one assimilates to..."

    Meth is more White Rural America.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/10/25/656192849/methamphetamine-roils-rural-towns-again-across-the-u-s

    Really depends on Who/Whom.

    Yes. Cheap employers and ethnic ward heelers are the Who who benefit, and less fortunate Americans are the Whom whom they screw.

    Meth is more White Rural America.

    The ones Tyson promises to hire, but don’t. A native drug problem is a poor justification for bringing even more users and pushers from abroad.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Yes. Cheap employers...less fortunate Americans are the Whom whom they screw.""

    Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism.

    "A native drug problem is a poor justification for bringing even more users and pushers from abroad."

    I would say more users and pushers of meth are our own Caucasian brethren. More biological than environmental.

    "The ones Tyson promises to hire"

    Like Constanza?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Tspdoouns
  99. The reality is that the Indians in the IT fields are not high skilled at all. They are bullshit artists protected by body shops like Infosys and TCS and they have caused tremendous damage to the US economy, both in terms of displacing skilled Americans developers and wreaking havoc in the many software they touched. Once their jig is up they moved on and prey on the next unsuspecting company. Here is a list of companies destroyed by Indian labors. This list was compiled years ago. I am sure it is much longer now.

    Adaptec – Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple – R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Australia’s National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas – Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City – Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates – Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte – 2010 – this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell – call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Fannie Mae – Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    GM – Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP – Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can’t compete with Apple’s tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for ‘Asian’ talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas – which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare – Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft – Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it’s lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines – A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America’s VC $ down the drain.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo – Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi’ watch.
    Polycom – Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas – See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP – Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK’s NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California – Cancelled Finacle project run by India’s InfoSys in 2011.
    United – call center (closed in India)
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    The Indians I've come into contact with aren't bad people individually. But they're just kind of stupid. They're dirty, smelly, and un-hygenic. The idea that they're some super smart tech geniuses is a huge meme. They train their entire lives to do IT - of course they're going to be better than some white kid who just graduated university, and no training costs. Doesn't mean they're better or smarter.

    Indians are a massive threat to Canada and the USA. They are subversive. They are dirty, smelly, and humble while poor and in school, but once they get rich they become extremely uppity, short sighted and arrogant.

    Their children become anti-white SJWs, as we've mentioned before. "Brown" male children are highly unpleasant, often aping the negro culture and becoming gang bangers. The females are pleasant though.

    On an individual level, Indians are much nicer than Chinese. On a societal level, they are far, far worse. Chinese don't have kids and are rapidly aging. In 50 years they will have almost no population pressure outwards.

    Indians are the greatest threat to our countries right now.
    , @Anonymous
    Exactly. Indians that come to US have on average lower IQ and skills than the Americans they slowly displace. What they excel at is bullshitting and gaming the system(s). They are totally wrecking several industries were the USA had been undisputed leader until very recently (IT, science, medicine).
    , @Anonymous
    Sun is a good case study.

    McNealy was a smart guy but not racially conscious and he let it turn to shit.

    http://consultingadultblog.blogspot.com/ has a lot if you can read between the lines even just a little.

    Why we got a kick out of Sun:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMriY2_Rfs
    , @anon
    Queensland Health Department Payroll scandal [IBM]?
  100. @Reg Cæsar
    Only in Asia would Korea, 75 million strong, be considered a small country.

    However, the future may be different:


    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/south-koreas-population-disaster-coming-81956

    75 mil is not small even by Asia standards, but you get that figure only by counting the two Koreas together. Rather dubious.

  101. Both countries have over a billion people.

    Even if only a small fraction come to the USA, they could easily dominate.

    IT is shot, in the USA. It already is Hindu Indian.
    They’re not better, not worse, they simply are here in huge numbers.

    Numbers matter.

  102. @Twinkie

    Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.
     
    I don’t think the Mexican and SE Asian bits are true. Mexicans actually have generationally extended linguistic assimilation issues (tracked by English usage and Spanish retention).

    Southeast Asians are also laggards, except Catholic Vietnamese.

    You might be confusing them with Christian Northeast Asians, especially the highly Protestant Koreans, among whom names such as John, Peter, David, and Michael are exceptionally common. Put in “John Kim” or “David Lee” in a search engine and you get a phone book.

    IME children of Mexican immigrants all have Anglo names or simple Spanish names Americans can pronounce and identify the gender of (Jose, Rosa)

    In Mexico itself Anglo names are trendy for the working and middle class, with elites trending more for French names, rarer classier sounding Spanish names, and Russian and Aztec names for leftist elites.

    For NE Asians, I have less of a sample as their fertility is so low here. Koreans Americans being about half Christian are more assimilated than Chinese.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Koreans Americans being about half Christian
     
    Try 70-80%.
  103. @Paleo Liberal
    Almost all of what you say is spot on.

    However, the report did not say the world would end in 12 years if we don’t stop global warming. What the report said is the goal of holding global warming to 1.5 or 2 degrees C cannot be achieved if we don’t make significant progress in halting global warming in the next 12 years. In fact, we may or may not have reached a tipping point whereby melting tundra releasing methane gas will cause unstoppable and accelerating global warming no matter what we do.

    Your point that immigration greatly increases the carbon footprint of the individual immigrants is 100% correct. In some cases the footprint increases 10-20 fold.

    When I have brought that same point on left wing forums I get one of the three following arguments:

    1. It is immoral to try to stop global warming by forcing would-be immigrants to live in poverty. In other words, we have to sacrifice the entire planet to avoid inconvenience to a few millions of would-be immigrants or we are horrible racist xenophobic fascists. Or something.

    2. “Environmental concern knows no boundaries “.
    I can’t figure that one out at all. That is supposed to refute the claims that immigration increases global warming by magical hand waving.

    3, “Give me your tired, your poor ...”
    Somehow the Statue of Liberty will stop global warming if we let in enough immigrants?
    Quite seriously, a number of people think they can completely refute any arguments for limiting immigration by invoking the magical powers of the Statue of Liberty. It’s Who We Are.

    My complaint is that most people are sheep and idiots.
    People on the right have been brainwashed to think that global warming is a hoax, while the probability of this happening by chance is less than the probability of winning the lottery every drawing for the rest of your life.
    People on the left have been brainwashed to think we can solve the issue of global warming if we just BELIEVE!!! Hear me Tinkerbell? Hear all the clapping? Now stop global warming!

    Stopping global warming takes hard choices. People don’t want to make hard choices. So one side pretends the problem doesn’t exist, while the other side pretends the problem can be solved by magically throwing money at it.

    We need to stop immigration from third world to first world countries, no matter what sacred cow cannot enter our country. We need to send gazillions of dollars in aid to third world countries for family planning, no matter who it pisses off. We need modern nuclear power, which is far safer than the stuff at Chernobyl or Fukushima or even Three Mile Island. We need to invest heavily in wind and solar and geothermal energy. We need carbon sequestration, which is currently extremely expensive but will hopefully be cheaper over time.

    I don’t care who I piss off.

    We need to invest heavily in wind and solar and geothermal energy. We need carbon sequestration, which is currently extremely expensive but will hopefully be cheaper over time.

    In a world where much of the life, which is carbon-based, evolved at times when atmospheric carbon dioxide levels were far higher than those today, one must wonder what climate change freaks have been smoking. They are asking the rest of us to radically alter our lives to fit their still unproven hypothesis. And for some reason, they seem to hate plant life and want to starve it by doing silly things like pumping CO2 into the ground.

    I’m in the Heliocentrism school: There’s a reason Mars is heating up too, and it isn’t AGW.

    We need to stop and take a deep breath … but don’t breathe out, because you’ll kill the planet.

  104. @Reg Cæsar
    Only in Asia would Korea, 75 million strong, be considered a small country.

    However, the future may be different:


    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/south-koreas-population-disaster-coming-81956

    Nearly 1.0 fertility among NE Asians is such a tragedy for the planet and human race. Factor in sex ratios at birth and importation of SE Asian brides, and the average Korean woman may have less than 0.5 daughters.

  105. @AnotherDad

    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.
     
    It's a mediocre test Lot. Certainly a positive correlation ... but that's about it. (Especially with female names lots of people like something a bit different.)


    No the test for assimilation is ... actual assimilation.

    Do they or their children marry into--or toward--the white Christian core population.

    That's pretty much it. Endogamous ethnic groups--even if successful like the Jews--cause balkanization. (And if smart and verbal can cause you even more problems. I.e. the Jews have caused way more problems than the Amish.) Some high caste Indians show this profile--high IQ, but alienated--as well. They are alienated from core America over Christianity, hamburgers, etc. Muslims are giant pain in the ass. Regardless of whether they have the IQ for economic success, they are alienated/separated from core American by religion.

    And if core Americans show little interest in marrying with a group, that is a big flashing red flag as well about the quality and assimilability of the group.

    “Do they or their children marry into–or toward–the white Christian core population.”

    That’s another valid test, but also involves sexual market differences and region.

    But a married immigrant couple always will weigh a name from the homeland against one that respects the new country’s majority culture.

  106. @Anonymous
    It seems to me that a very large fraction of your readership has Asian wives, has lived in Asia, or both.

    I have visited, but not extensively. I had a lot of Japanese girls for short term relations, it was my fetish s a young man. Before AIDS Japanese girls were a lot more available to gaijin for sportf*****g.

  107. @Twinkie
    Check the Manhattan Institute website. There should be numbers up to 2011 at minimum, possibly even later ones. I think the only significant change in the more recent numbers is the collapse of Cuban assimilation and moderate improvements in others, but I am not 100% certain.

    Also, readers should keep in mind that this only pertains to foreign-born immigrants, not their American-born progeny. There are some differences with the latter (though nothing major).

    Found it: https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_76.pdf

    Look at figures 9 and 10.

    Thanks! Looks like a later revision of the link I gave.

  108. @Twinkie

    But on the whole, Koreans are more assimilated.
     
    One thing interesting I found about Chinese immigrant parents vs. Korean immigrant parents is that the former are much more interested in their kids speaking Mandarin Chinese than the latter are in their children speaking Korean. That’s confirmed by survey data and comports with my own observation (I heard numerous Korean parents say, “What would be the point of learning Korean?”).

    I think at least a part of the explanation is the big country vs. small country origination. Ceteris paribus, immigrants from smaller countries tend to assimilate faster, because bigger countries have more prominent and, yes, more world-historically significant cultural traditions that exert a pull from the people who originate from them, no matter where they are. So, equalizing other factors*, Danes and Poles assimilated faster than Germans and Russians, Bangladeshis faster than Indians, and Koreans faster than Chinese.

    *There are, of course, always many other factors, such as selectivity, religion, linguistic propinquity, etc.

    One thing interesting I found about Chinese immigrant parents vs. Korean immigrant parents is that the former are much more interested in their kids speaking Mandarin Chinese than the latter are in their children speaking Korean.

    That seems pretty smart of the Chinese parents given the increasingly large role China has in the world.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    That seems pretty smart of the Chinese parents given the increasingly large role China has in the world.
     
    Maybe. It likely benefits those kids materially or career-wise, but it also retards assimilation.

    And you can probably guess on which side of the ledger I weigh.
  109. @Twinkie
    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about immigration:
    http://latinosreadytovote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Asimmiliation.gif

    a back of the envelope way to remember this *might* be the relative attractiveness of the females from those respective countries and their ability to land a hu-whyte husband

  110. OT Pelosi is moving forward with an “impeachment probe,” which sounds like she wants a way out but also wants to get some energy out of the base. The thing she is probing impeachment of Trump for is, Joe Biden being guilty of more or less the thing Trump was falsely accused of for two years. For what Biden has done, Trump must pay.
    Can we just eliminate everyone with a college education and/or eyeglasses yet, or do we have to wait for something like a government mandated insect diet?

  111. The high-tech industry wants trained labor from abroad that will cost them less than the pay of American workers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes. I want a garage full of vintage Ferraris and a jet fighter of my own and supermodels to come over to my house and treat me as if I were a geriatric rock star, too.

    Neither they nor I are entitled to that, though.

    But they have the political pull to get what they want at society's expense and I do not.
  112. @AnotherDad

    If you really want to guess what some immigrant group will turn out like, your best bet is to look at what kind of civilization they have in their home country.
     
    Exactly--Jack nails it.

    If you want your nation to be more like China--import Chinese.
    Want it to be more like India--import Indians.
    Want it to be more like Arabia--import Arabs.
    Want it to be more like Germany--import Germans.
    Want it to be more like Mexico--import Mexicans.
    Want it to be more like Haiti--import Haitians.

    I can--easily--pick and choose among those choices. But i don't need any of them. America is--or at least was--just fine being American.

    There’s a reason the Third World is the Third World, and it isn’t the lack of magic dirt.

  113. @Paleo Liberal
    Almost all of what you say is spot on.

    However, the report did not say the world would end in 12 years if we don’t stop global warming. What the report said is the goal of holding global warming to 1.5 or 2 degrees C cannot be achieved if we don’t make significant progress in halting global warming in the next 12 years. In fact, we may or may not have reached a tipping point whereby melting tundra releasing methane gas will cause unstoppable and accelerating global warming no matter what we do.

    Your point that immigration greatly increases the carbon footprint of the individual immigrants is 100% correct. In some cases the footprint increases 10-20 fold.

    When I have brought that same point on left wing forums I get one of the three following arguments:

    1. It is immoral to try to stop global warming by forcing would-be immigrants to live in poverty. In other words, we have to sacrifice the entire planet to avoid inconvenience to a few millions of would-be immigrants or we are horrible racist xenophobic fascists. Or something.

    2. “Environmental concern knows no boundaries “.
    I can’t figure that one out at all. That is supposed to refute the claims that immigration increases global warming by magical hand waving.

    3, “Give me your tired, your poor ...”
    Somehow the Statue of Liberty will stop global warming if we let in enough immigrants?
    Quite seriously, a number of people think they can completely refute any arguments for limiting immigration by invoking the magical powers of the Statue of Liberty. It’s Who We Are.

    My complaint is that most people are sheep and idiots.
    People on the right have been brainwashed to think that global warming is a hoax, while the probability of this happening by chance is less than the probability of winning the lottery every drawing for the rest of your life.
    People on the left have been brainwashed to think we can solve the issue of global warming if we just BELIEVE!!! Hear me Tinkerbell? Hear all the clapping? Now stop global warming!

    Stopping global warming takes hard choices. People don’t want to make hard choices. So one side pretends the problem doesn’t exist, while the other side pretends the problem can be solved by magically throwing money at it.

    We need to stop immigration from third world to first world countries, no matter what sacred cow cannot enter our country. We need to send gazillions of dollars in aid to third world countries for family planning, no matter who it pisses off. We need modern nuclear power, which is far safer than the stuff at Chernobyl or Fukushima or even Three Mile Island. We need to invest heavily in wind and solar and geothermal energy. We need carbon sequestration, which is currently extremely expensive but will hopefully be cheaper over time.

    I don’t care who I piss off.

    Pay $45 an acre to plant Italian ryegrass as a cover crop, and you’ll get a fair bit of carbon sequestering every year.

    • Replies: @res
    That the global warming fanatics spend so little time advocating measures like that (or tree planting, or just the old environmental standby of reducing deforestation) says a great deal about their motivations. Especially while they are busy with their multiple huge houses and flying in private jets all over the world.
  114. @Bragadocious
    I am vomit.

    Thanks for letting this comment through, Steve.

    • Replies: @Moses
    "I am vomit" is a very funny comment.

    It's an oblique reference to a hilarious Twitter account ostensibly from a Chinese immigrant.

    Stick around. You'll get it eventually.
  115. Donald Trump’s visit to Houston

    To speak to 50 thousand Hindu “Americans” in a Stadium

    And their Fascist Leader Modi

  116. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    I guess i better get busy buying the guns my kids and grandkids should have--now.

    Buy all the actually useful guns you can buy legally without a paper trail from gun shows that you can reasonably afford now. A couple of 12 gauge pump guns, some pistols of varying kinds, few good .22 rifles and a good bolt action deer rifle or two in .243 or .308.

    Don’t bother with blackpowder guns, single shot target guns, et al. Avoid lever actions unless you plan on mounted cavalry operations or hunting from horses or ATVs. Same with single action thumb buster revolvers.

    ARs and AK/SKS’s are what theyll go for first along with handguns. You might want to have one or two for real and a couple more for surrendering if “they get real serious” and search the house.

    I’ve got several autopistols and a dismantled carbine length rifle or two set in blocks of candle wax and buried just on the off chance. I covered my entire yard and much of my next door neighbors’ in carbon steel lathe shavings before the snow so metal detectors will be useless. Either they’ll conclude I buried a main battle tank and so did my neighbors and excavate all of us or figure it’s natural and go away.

  117. Trump’s excellent adventure to Houston….

  118. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Is visual phenotype a major factor in the index? To its detriment, it doesn’t seem so: Non-whites should be rated near zero.

    I’m just going to leave this here, because I think it’s worth repeating in discussions about “assimilation”:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOO0WaaUMAAG-HC.jpg:large

    You are partly trolling, but if you are serious at all, you should find data on:

    1. How white immigrants from Europe fare on the data. You are probably not going to like the result.

    2. Breakdown of the same data by country origin among “Asians” – you are going to get pretty divergent numbers.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    you should find data on:

    1. How white immigrants from Europe fare on the data. You are probably not going to like the result.
     
    Every immigrant should be handed a loaded "assault weapon" at his swearing-in ceremony. And the officiant would borrow that line from another ceremony, "Speak now, or forever hold your peace."

    The background checks have already been done, haven't they?

    Haven't they?
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You are partly trolling
     
    Trolling? With facts and data? Nationally speaking, non-whites in America look different and vote different.

    How white immigrants from Europe fare on the data. You are probably not going to like the result.
     
    If you have data on that, please share—I couldn't find any. (FWIW I’m for an immigration moratorium in general, including from Europe.)

    Breakdown of the same data by country origin among “Asians” – you are going to get pretty divergent numbers.
     
    Divergent from the white average, yeah. From each other, not so much …

    Given your assertion, maybe you have better data?

    Asian-American voters gun control surveys from 2014, 2016, 2018:

    https://i0.wp.com/aapidata.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/aapidata_infrographic_guncontrol1.png

    http://aapidata.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/aavs2016-guns-featured.png

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpGHmIZUcAAcRB0.jpg
  119. @AnotherDad
    I guess i better get busy buying the guns my kids and grandkids should have--now.

    Don’t forget the ammo. Have at least 10,000 rounds for each caliber you use and more for 22 LR (bricks of which make for fine currency in extremis).

  120. @Reg Cæsar
    Only in Asia would Korea, 75 million strong, be considered a small country.

    However, the future may be different:


    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/south-koreas-population-disaster-coming-81956

    Only in Asia would Korea, 75 million strong, be considered a small country.

    South Korea has 50 million, and during the peak of immigration from there, the population was more like 45 million. And, yes, that’s rather small compared to populations of China, India, and Japan.

  121. Houston Texas

    Hindu “American” Race Rally

  122. @Lot
    IME children of Mexican immigrants all have Anglo names or simple Spanish names Americans can pronounce and identify the gender of (Jose, Rosa)

    In Mexico itself Anglo names are trendy for the working and middle class, with elites trending more for French names, rarer classier sounding Spanish names, and Russian and Aztec names for leftist elites.

    For NE Asians, I have less of a sample as their fertility is so low here. Koreans Americans being about half Christian are more assimilated than Chinese.

    Koreans Americans being about half Christian

    Try 70-80%.

  123. @AnotherDad
    I guess i better get busy buying the guns my kids and grandkids should have--now.

    I guess i better get busy buying the guns my kids and grandkids should have–now.

    That would make it more expensive for Beto to buy them back.

  124. @Twinkie
    You are partly trolling, but if you are serious at all, you should find data on:

    1. How white immigrants from Europe fare on the data. You are probably not going to like the result.

    2. Breakdown of the same data by country origin among “Asians” - you are going to get pretty divergent numbers.

    you should find data on:

    1. How white immigrants from Europe fare on the data. You are probably not going to like the result.

    Every immigrant should be handed a loaded “assault weapon” at his swearing-in ceremony. And the officiant would borrow that line from another ceremony, “Speak now, or forever hold your peace.”

    The background checks have already been done, haven’t they?

    Haven’t they?

  125. @Dan Hayes
    They Wont!

    Of course they won’t. Their paymasters like this Bill, and the GOPe would let it go through if they could do so quietly.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  126. In Houst0n

    Trump 0n bended knees

    In fr0nt of

    Narendra Modi

  127. @res

    One thing interesting I found about Chinese immigrant parents vs. Korean immigrant parents is that the former are much more interested in their kids speaking Mandarin Chinese than the latter are in their children speaking Korean.
     
    That seems pretty smart of the Chinese parents given the increasingly large role China has in the world.

    That seems pretty smart of the Chinese parents given the increasingly large role China has in the world.

    Maybe. It likely benefits those kids materially or career-wise, but it also retards assimilation.

    And you can probably guess on which side of the ledger I weigh.

  128. America, 2100: The charm of the Chinese and the efficiency of India.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    America, 2100: The charm of the Chinese and the efficiency of India.
     
    No. If the present trend continued, American elites are going to have the charm of the Indians and the efficiency of the Indians.

    Japanese immigration is all but dried up. Korean immigration is cratering. Chinese immigration is going to decline over the long-term as well. But Indian immigration is probably going to grow significant even long-term.
  129. @Twinkie
    You are partly trolling, but if you are serious at all, you should find data on:

    1. How white immigrants from Europe fare on the data. You are probably not going to like the result.

    2. Breakdown of the same data by country origin among “Asians” - you are going to get pretty divergent numbers.

    You are partly trolling

    Trolling? With facts and data? Nationally speaking, non-whites in America look different and vote different.

    How white immigrants from Europe fare on the data. You are probably not going to like the result.

    If you have data on that, please share—I couldn’t find any. (FWIW I’m for an immigration moratorium in general, including from Europe.)

    Breakdown of the same data by country origin among “Asians” – you are going to get pretty divergent numbers.

    Divergent from the white average, yeah. From each other, not so much …

    Given your assertion, maybe you have better data?

    Asian-American voters gun control surveys from 2014, 2016, 2018:

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Trolling? With facts and data?
     
    Come on now, you weren’t comparing apples to apples. Comparing American whites and non-whites and extrapolating that to white and non-white immigrants is at best sloppy and at worst misleading and dishonest.

    Moreover, “Is visual phenotype a major factor in the index? To its detriment, it doesn’t seem so: Non-whites should be rated near zero...” isn’t “facts and data.”


    If you have data on that, please share—I couldn’t find any. (FWIW I’m for an immigration moratorium in general, including from Europe.)
     
    I don’t. But the survey data from Europe is pretty pro-gun control. And you should know by now that I agree with you on immigration restriction (I don’t quite agree with a moratorium, because I’d like to leave a very small room open for exceptional cases).

    Divergent from the white average, yeah. From each other, not so much …
     
    I don’t doubt that gun rights support is MUCH higher among whites than among non-whites. However, your presentation of the data is, again, sloppy or misleading. The by-race data from the top and the among-Asian breakdowns ask different questions. When you ask the latter (the rather vague “stricter gun laws” question) to the general population in the country, the yes answers are routinely 60-70%.

    Nationally speaking, non-whites in America look different and vote different.
     
    For now, I don’t disagree, which is one of the reasons I support implicit white majoritarianism. But I should point out that it wasn’t always the case (e.g. in the 1992 presidential election, Asians voted for the Republican candidate at a higher rate than whites did). It’s not set in stone.
    , @Joe Stalin
    Fortunately, just ONE Rooftop Chinaman makes up for that non-assimilation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAnCjqX0IQA
    , @Twinkie
    By the way, while higher Asian support for gun control is lamentable, they are better on other issues, such as:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2012/06/2012-sdt-asian-americans-130.png

    But on this issue, assimilation unfortunately hurts, not helps.

  130. @AnotherDad

    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.
     
    It's a mediocre test Lot. Certainly a positive correlation ... but that's about it. (Especially with female names lots of people like something a bit different.)


    No the test for assimilation is ... actual assimilation.

    Do they or their children marry into--or toward--the white Christian core population.

    That's pretty much it. Endogamous ethnic groups--even if successful like the Jews--cause balkanization. (And if smart and verbal can cause you even more problems. I.e. the Jews have caused way more problems than the Amish.) Some high caste Indians show this profile--high IQ, but alienated--as well. They are alienated from core America over Christianity, hamburgers, etc. Muslims are giant pain in the ass. Regardless of whether they have the IQ for economic success, they are alienated/separated from core American by religion.

    And if core Americans show little interest in marrying with a group, that is a big flashing red flag as well about the quality and assimilability of the group.

    Do they or their children marry into–or toward–the white Christian core population…

    And if core Americans show little interest in marrying with a group, that is a big flashing red flag as well about the quality and assimilability of the group.

    Intermarriage is already factored into the index.

    Overall, Asians have only slightly higher intermarriage rates than Hispanics. But note that 1) a higher percentage of Hispanics are American-born than Asians and 2) Asian immigrants are older and tend to arrive already married, so in reality Asian intermarriage rate is likely much higher once the factors are equalized.

    Among American-raised Asians, Koreans have the highest intermarriage rate with whites while Indians have the lowest.

    • Replies: @Moses

    Among American-raised Asians, Koreans have the highest intermarriage rate with whites while Indians have the lowest.
     
    Probably because White men find Korean women more attractive than Indian women.
    , @Neil Templeton
    Willingness to set chokers in line logging Kamchatka ought to bear some weight.
  131. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You are partly trolling
     
    Trolling? With facts and data? Nationally speaking, non-whites in America look different and vote different.

    How white immigrants from Europe fare on the data. You are probably not going to like the result.
     
    If you have data on that, please share—I couldn't find any. (FWIW I’m for an immigration moratorium in general, including from Europe.)

    Breakdown of the same data by country origin among “Asians” – you are going to get pretty divergent numbers.
     
    Divergent from the white average, yeah. From each other, not so much …

    Given your assertion, maybe you have better data?

    Asian-American voters gun control surveys from 2014, 2016, 2018:

    https://i0.wp.com/aapidata.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/aapidata_infrographic_guncontrol1.png

    http://aapidata.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/aavs2016-guns-featured.png

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpGHmIZUcAAcRB0.jpg

    Trolling? With facts and data?

    Come on now, you weren’t comparing apples to apples. Comparing American whites and non-whites and extrapolating that to white and non-white immigrants is at best sloppy and at worst misleading and dishonest.

    Moreover, “Is visual phenotype a major factor in the index? To its detriment, it doesn’t seem so: Non-whites should be rated near zero…” isn’t “facts and data.”

    If you have data on that, please share—I couldn’t find any. (FWIW I’m for an immigration moratorium in general, including from Europe.)

    I don’t. But the survey data from Europe is pretty pro-gun control. And you should know by now that I agree with you on immigration restriction (I don’t quite agree with a moratorium, because I’d like to leave a very small room open for exceptional cases).

    Divergent from the white average, yeah. From each other, not so much …

    I don’t doubt that gun rights support is MUCH higher among whites than among non-whites. However, your presentation of the data is, again, sloppy or misleading. The by-race data from the top and the among-Asian breakdowns ask different questions. When you ask the latter (the rather vague “stricter gun laws” question) to the general population in the country, the yes answers are routinely 60-70%.

    Nationally speaking, non-whites in America look different and vote different.

    For now, I don’t disagree, which is one of the reasons I support implicit white majoritarianism. But I should point out that it wasn’t always the case (e.g. in the 1992 presidential election, Asians voted for the Republican candidate at a higher rate than whites did). It’s not set in stone.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Comparing American whites and non-whites and extrapolating that to white and non-white immigrants is at best sloppy and at worst misleading and dishonest.
     
    I responded to your posted chart which purported to show an “assimilation index” of different groups, almost all non-white. Since your chart didn’t specify if the “immigrant groups” were first generation or second or beyond, it’s certainly fair to compare them to American whites in general. Presumably, that’s what “assimilation” is measuring? If not, I don’t know why you posted it.

    Moreover, “Is visual phenotype a major factor in the index? To its detriment, it doesn’t seem so: Non-whites should be rated near zero…” isn’t “facts and data.”
     
    Visual phenotype is factual, and was followed by gun control survey data.

    I mentioned “visual phenotype” in the on-topic context of “assimilation” because visually, white immigrants automatically assimilate—i.e., integrate, blend in—to the white ‘standard’ easier than groups with markedly different appearances, e.g. as the iSteve blog has repeatedly documented, a lot of anti-white resentment comes from many non-whites’ feelings of inferiority and ‘under-representation’ when it comes to looks.

    … I’d like to leave a very small room open for exceptional cases.
     
    Agreed. To clarify, by “in general” I mean to allow for exceptional, beneficial-to-the-US cases and their immediate families—from any country.

    The by-race data from the top and the among-Asian breakdowns ask different questions.
     
    Regarding the “among-Asian breakdowns”: You earlier strongly implied, without data, that there would be “pretty divergent numbers” between “country origin(s)” of Asians. This is not true.

    All Asian-American subgroups averaged between 69%-89% for “stricter gun laws/control” with some trading places in the year-to-year rankings. As you conceded, that’s uniformly high compared to American whites: my salient rebuttal being that no Asian subgroups have “assimilated” on this fundamental American issue.

    When you ask the latter (the rather vague “stricter gun laws” question) to the general population in the country, the yes answers are routinely 60-70%.
     
    Obviously my comment was about Asian immigrants assimilating (or not) to current average white America, not the “general population of the country.” Maybe your original chart is celebrating thug life hip-hop Hmongs? Ooof.

    It’s not set in stone.
     
    See the overall trend line, both here and abroad. Asian “fish in the sea” are pretty consistently Asian, whether here or in Asia. E.g., as you know, you and a few Asians are the exception on 2A, not the rule.
  132. @Redneck farmer
    Pay $45 an acre to plant Italian ryegrass as a cover crop, and you'll get a fair bit of carbon sequestering every year.

    That the global warming fanatics spend so little time advocating measures like that (or tree planting, or just the old environmental standby of reducing deforestation) says a great deal about their motivations. Especially while they are busy with their multiple huge houses and flying in private jets all over the world.

  133. @Jack D
    Filipinos sort of strike me as a slightly better grade of Puerto Rican. They are what we would have hoped the Puerto Ricans to be except that Puerto Ricans had African blood instead of Asian blood and that didn't work out as well for living among white people. But ultimately (except for the Filipinos who are overseas Chinese) they are jungle Asians and not fancy Asians. Being a jungle Asian is better than being a jungle African but it's not the same as being a fancy Asian. Of course fancy Asians have their own weaknesses (which are often the flip side of their strengths) but in the end as the car guys say there's no replacement for displacement (IQ). If you really want to guess what some immigrant group will turn out like, your best bet is to look at what kind of civilization they have in their home country.

    Peurto Ricans don’t have that much African ancestry. Their primary components are southern European (~60-70%) and Native American (25-40%).

  134. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    America, 2100: The charm of the Chinese and the efficiency of India.

    America, 2100: The charm of the Chinese and the efficiency of India.

    No. If the present trend continued, American elites are going to have the charm of the Indians and the efficiency of the Indians.

    Japanese immigration is all but dried up. Korean immigration is cratering. Chinese immigration is going to decline over the long-term as well. But Indian immigration is probably going to grow significant even long-term.

    • Replies: @Anon
    China food is taking over all our cities, yes China food, not Chinese food. Chinese food is what we're used to, beef and broccoli, mushu pork, sweet and sour pork etc., with English names outside like "Panda Express", "P.F. Chang's". China food is new -- dumplings, noodles, hot pot and shit. Everywhere you go now up and down both coasts, even inland, all you see are China restaurants, with Chinese characters on the signs like they are still back in China, like this is not even the US of A. And all the people who work and eat in there are China people who don't even speak English. They are not here to assimilate, they're here to colonize the US. Time to send them all packing.
  135. @peterike
    Indians and Chinese are lose-lose for America. Both are parasitical classes whose downside is a hundred times whatever upside they might bring. It's very sad how Trump is going full retard on the "moar skilled immigrantz!" If I had to choose between a million Asians and a million Mexicans, I'd take the Mexicans.

    Of course, a sane nation would take neither.

    This a million times over.

    Now let’s get ready for Twink’s million posts.

  136. @indocon
    As I have written before, the democratic controlled house overwhelmingly passed this legislation which in essence would hugely favor Indians over Chinese, Koreans, Pilipinos, Pakis, Arabs, Africans, Mexicans, Columbians......... practically the rest of the world.

    If the GOP candidates had an ounce of brain, they would take out non stop ads in ethnic media catering to all these groups touting their opposition to this and the likely support of their Democratic opponent for this.

    If you are a advisor or operative for any GOP congressional race in 2020, please please do this.

    If the GOP candidates had an ounce of brain,

    Stop right there. You’re expecting too much from the GOP.

    Besides, why would they want to stop this? They love cheap labour. And Trump just met with Modi in Texas with 50,000 Indian “Americans” cheering!

  137. @Chris Handsome
    Totally OT - the dam is breaking around immigration and diversity. When even someone like former Wesleyan University professor and Afro-American jazz legend Anthony Braxton is expressing skepticism about high rates of immigration, you know something's about to give:

    "In many ways, I understand the complex reaction that has opened up with the arrival of complete equality for all of our citizens, which has to be the baseline for any culture. And yet at the same time, the church is now viewed as a hate group. When I was coming up, John Coltrane talked about The Creator and the need to look inside yourself, and the fact that there are things like ethics and value systems. There are codes of behavior, which have worked pretty well for the last 2,500 years. It seems to me, in this period, we are making changes in a way that’s maybe a little too quick. You have migrants come to America. This has made our country great. But when it’s done in a way where you’re bringing people in in a short time space, there’s no time for a community to come together, to have vibrational unity."

    Guys who played with Coltrane are allowed to use the word “vibrant” anyway they like.

  138. @Sam Malone
    Thanks for letting this comment through, Steve.

    “I am vomit” is a very funny comment.

    It’s an oblique reference to a hilarious Twitter account ostensibly from a Chinese immigrant.

    Stick around. You’ll get it eventually.

  139. @Twinkie

    Do they or their children marry into–or toward–the white Christian core population...

    And if core Americans show little interest in marrying with a group, that is a big flashing red flag as well about the quality and assimilability of the group.
     
    Intermarriage is already factored into the index.

    Overall, Asians have only slightly higher intermarriage rates than Hispanics. But note that 1) a higher percentage of Hispanics are American-born than Asians and 2) Asian immigrants are older and tend to arrive already married, so in reality Asian intermarriage rate is likely much higher once the factors are equalized.

    Among American-raised Asians, Koreans have the highest intermarriage rate with whites while Indians have the lowest.

    Among American-raised Asians, Koreans have the highest intermarriage rate with whites while Indians have the lowest.

    Probably because White men find Korean women more attractive than Indian women.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Probably because White men find Korean women more attractive than Indian women.
     
    US-raised Korean females do indeed marry whites at a much higher rate than US-raised Indian females do (114% higher).

    But it’s not just the females. US-raised Korean males marry white females at a rate 74% higher than that of US-raised Indians.
  140. @Daniel H
    It’s common for both Chinese and Korean immigrants to give their American-born children English (frequently Biblical in the case of Koreans) first names

    I used to be in software headhunting. Met lots of Asians. A resume once crossed my desk of a dude named Lucifer Chang. I thought that either somebody played a mean trick on this fella or maybe he's really dangerous.

    Lilit is a normal female given name in Armenia.

  141. @DB Cooper
    The reality is that the Indians in the IT fields are not high skilled at all. They are bullshit artists protected by body shops like Infosys and TCS and they have caused tremendous damage to the US economy, both in terms of displacing skilled Americans developers and wreaking havoc in the many software they touched. Once their jig is up they moved on and prey on the next unsuspecting company. Here is a list of companies destroyed by Indian labors. This list was compiled years ago. I am sure it is much longer now.

    Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City - Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates - Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte - 2010 - this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell - call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Fannie Mae - Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP - Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can't compete with Apple's tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for 'Asian' talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas - which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare - Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines - A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America's VC $ down the drain.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo - Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi' watch.
    Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas - See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP - Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK's NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California - Cancelled Finacle project run by India's InfoSys in 2011.
    United - call center (closed in India)
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    The Indians I’ve come into contact with aren’t bad people individually. But they’re just kind of stupid. They’re dirty, smelly, and un-hygenic. The idea that they’re some super smart tech geniuses is a huge meme. They train their entire lives to do IT – of course they’re going to be better than some white kid who just graduated university, and no training costs. Doesn’t mean they’re better or smarter.

    Indians are a massive threat to Canada and the USA. They are subversive. They are dirty, smelly, and humble while poor and in school, but once they get rich they become extremely uppity, short sighted and arrogant.

    Their children become anti-white SJWs, as we’ve mentioned before. “Brown” male children are highly unpleasant, often aping the negro culture and becoming gang bangers. The females are pleasant though.

    On an individual level, Indians are much nicer than Chinese. On a societal level, they are far, far worse. Chinese don’t have kids and are rapidly aging. In 50 years they will have almost no population pressure outwards.

    Indians are the greatest threat to our countries right now.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    " The idea that they’re some super smart tech geniuses is a huge meme. "

    I've worked with quite a few and I agree with you.
  142. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You are partly trolling
     
    Trolling? With facts and data? Nationally speaking, non-whites in America look different and vote different.

    How white immigrants from Europe fare on the data. You are probably not going to like the result.
     
    If you have data on that, please share—I couldn't find any. (FWIW I’m for an immigration moratorium in general, including from Europe.)

    Breakdown of the same data by country origin among “Asians” – you are going to get pretty divergent numbers.
     
    Divergent from the white average, yeah. From each other, not so much …

    Given your assertion, maybe you have better data?

    Asian-American voters gun control surveys from 2014, 2016, 2018:

    https://i0.wp.com/aapidata.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/aapidata_infrographic_guncontrol1.png

    http://aapidata.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/aavs2016-guns-featured.png

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpGHmIZUcAAcRB0.jpg

    Fortunately, just ONE Rooftop Chinaman makes up for that non-assimilation:

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Rooftop Chinaman
     
    No such thing. Rooftop Koreans, yes.

    https://i.redd.it/oz77jan81gv21.png

    https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/roof-koreans
  143. The British empire was the first to move Indian labor globally, much to the chagrin of host nations.

    The Brit colonial administrators flooded Africa and the Caribbean with Indians and Chinese who dominated the accounting, shopkeeping, and eventually the professional classes

    The resulting expulsions of Indians from Uganda and Fiji were logical outcomes of locals doing the necessary to remain masters of their own houses.

  144. @Moses

    Among American-raised Asians, Koreans have the highest intermarriage rate with whites while Indians have the lowest.
     
    Probably because White men find Korean women more attractive than Indian women.

    Probably because White men find Korean women more attractive than Indian women.

    US-raised Korean females do indeed marry whites at a much higher rate than US-raised Indian females do (114% higher).

    But it’s not just the females. US-raised Korean males marry white females at a rate 74% higher than that of US-raised Indians.

  145. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul
    The high-tech industry wants trained labor from abroad that will cost them less than the pay of American workers.

    Yes. I want a garage full of vintage Ferraris and a jet fighter of my own and supermodels to come over to my house and treat me as if I were a geriatric rock star, too.

    Neither they nor I are entitled to that, though.

    But they have the political pull to get what they want at society’s expense and I do not.

  146. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    One of the key indicators of assimilation is outmarriage rates. Indians are at the bottom for this (https://imdiversity.com/villages/asian/by-the-numbers-dating-marriage-and-race-in-asian-america/)

    That so many Indians flocked to see Modi clearly tells that their souls are with their homeland. And we are giving the country away to them just because they are good at bullshitting.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    One of the key indicators of assimilation is outmarriage rates. Indians are at the bottom for this (https://imdiversity.com/villages/asian/by-the-numbers-dating-marriage-and-race-in-asian-america/)
     
    That data set is partial. The whole thing is available here:
    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.9GHy5h8c.5mtXcjQD.dpbs

    When you are examine intermarriage data, examining US-raised numbers are more useful than the total numbers (75% of which are foreign-born), because the latter include a high fraction of those who were already married before entry to the US, language, and acculturation, issues, etc.
    , @Malla
    The souls of brown immigrants are always with their homelands. Their adopted land/people is something to be exploited economically and which provides them a higher standard of living. Check out Turks living in Germany with a German citizenship, at an Erdogan rally in Germany. Turkish flags all around, hardly a German flag. Same thing.

    I wonder if Indians would allow or psychologically accept such large number of White Americans to hold such rallies in India.

  147. @Twinkie

    Do they or their children marry into–or toward–the white Christian core population...

    And if core Americans show little interest in marrying with a group, that is a big flashing red flag as well about the quality and assimilability of the group.
     
    Intermarriage is already factored into the index.

    Overall, Asians have only slightly higher intermarriage rates than Hispanics. But note that 1) a higher percentage of Hispanics are American-born than Asians and 2) Asian immigrants are older and tend to arrive already married, so in reality Asian intermarriage rate is likely much higher once the factors are equalized.

    Among American-raised Asians, Koreans have the highest intermarriage rate with whites while Indians have the lowest.

    Willingness to set chokers in line logging Kamchatka ought to bear some weight.

  148. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You are partly trolling
     
    Trolling? With facts and data? Nationally speaking, non-whites in America look different and vote different.

    How white immigrants from Europe fare on the data. You are probably not going to like the result.
     
    If you have data on that, please share—I couldn't find any. (FWIW I’m for an immigration moratorium in general, including from Europe.)

    Breakdown of the same data by country origin among “Asians” – you are going to get pretty divergent numbers.
     
    Divergent from the white average, yeah. From each other, not so much …

    Given your assertion, maybe you have better data?

    Asian-American voters gun control surveys from 2014, 2016, 2018:

    https://i0.wp.com/aapidata.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/aapidata_infrographic_guncontrol1.png

    http://aapidata.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/aavs2016-guns-featured.png

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpGHmIZUcAAcRB0.jpg

    By the way, while higher Asian support for gun control is lamentable, they are better on other issues, such as:

    But on this issue, assimilation unfortunately hurts, not helps.

    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    It's 100% an age thing. Young people don't give a damn. Only old farts still get a coronary over seeing two men holding hands in the street.
    , @ben tillman
    What a stupid poll! It can be accepted and discouraged. They aren't alternatives,
  149. @Anonymous
    One of the key indicators of assimilation is outmarriage rates. Indians are at the bottom for this (https://imdiversity.com/villages/asian/by-the-numbers-dating-marriage-and-race-in-asian-america/)

    That so many Indians flocked to see Modi clearly tells that their souls are with their homeland. And we are giving the country away to them just because they are good at bullshitting.

    One of the key indicators of assimilation is outmarriage rates. Indians are at the bottom for this (https://imdiversity.com/villages/asian/by-the-numbers-dating-marriage-and-race-in-asian-america/)

    That data set is partial. The whole thing is available here:
    http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.9GHy5h8c.5mtXcjQD.dpbs

    When you are examine intermarriage data, examining US-raised numbers are more useful than the total numbers (75% of which are foreign-born), because the latter include a high fraction of those who were already married before entry to the US, language, and acculturation, issues, etc.

  150. @Reg Cæsar

    Really depends on Who/Whom.
     
    Yes. Cheap employers and ethnic ward heelers are the Who who benefit, and less fortunate Americans are the Whom whom they screw.

    Meth is more White Rural America.
     
    The ones Tyson promises to hire, but don't. A native drug problem is a poor justification for bringing even more users and pushers from abroad.

    “Yes. Cheap employers…less fortunate Americans are the Whom whom they screw.””

    Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism.

    “A native drug problem is a poor justification for bringing even more users and pushers from abroad.”

    I would say more users and pushers of meth are our own Caucasian brethren. More biological than environmental.

    “The ones Tyson promises to hire”

    Like Constanza?

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism.
     
    Subsidized capitalism. Kind of like stadia and arenas.
  151. @peterike
    Indians and Chinese are lose-lose for America. Both are parasitical classes whose downside is a hundred times whatever upside they might bring. It's very sad how Trump is going full retard on the "moar skilled immigrantz!" If I had to choose between a million Asians and a million Mexicans, I'd take the Mexicans.

    Of course, a sane nation would take neither.

    “Indians and Chinese are lose-lose for America. Both are parasitical classes whose downside is a hundred times whatever upside they might bring.”

    Nativists said the exact same thing about Eastern and Southern Europeans. For example, in the late 1800’s, racialist theories circulated in the press, advancing pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans. Drawings and songs had caricatured the Italians as childlike, criminal, and subhuman. “If immigration was properly restricted, you would never be troubled with anarchism, socialism, the Mafia and such kindred evils!” was one such message from a political cartoon (1891).

    So was it magic dirt and civic nationalism that made today’s Italians “respectable”?

    As far as the Chinese, in 1872 Mark Twain remarked “They are a kindly disposed, well-meaning race, and are respected and well treated by the upper classes, all over the Pacific coast. No Californian gentleman or lady ever abuses or oppresses a Chinaman, under any circumstances, an explanation that seems to be much needed in the East. Only the scum of the population do it–they and their children; they, and, naturally and consistently, the policemen and politicians, likewise, for these are the dust-licking pimps and slaves of the scum, there as well as elsewhere in America.”

    So, was Twain anti-white and a “cuck” to boot?

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    "pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans"

    Which would be correct. There's a reason why Northern Europe has 100x the amount of Nobel Prizes. It's not the Renaissance anymore.
    , @Joseph Doaks
    Immigration was a good idea at one time, but times change. Why does nobody recognize this?

    The United States, far from needing more people, is overpopulated now and going bankrupt because of it.
    , @Aft

    racialist theories circulated in the press, advancing pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans. Drawings and songs had caricatured the Italians as childlike, criminal, and subhuman. “If immigration was properly restricted, you would never be troubled with anarchism, socialism, the Mafia and such kindred evils!” was one such message from a political cartoon (1891).
     
    https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/europe-iq-hajnal-1200.png

    https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/GDP_capita_per_hour_2013.png

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0eS-9v_Abo

    https://i.imgur.com/iwhzPq2_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
  152. Somewhat OT: It doesn’t matter how many Indians we let in; it is highly unlikely that they or their children will produce even one talent equal to Robert Hunter, the lyricist for the Grateful Dead, who died last night. RIP.

    From Reason.com, which quotes itself in its obituary to Hunter, about how essentially American the Dead were.

    Robert Hunter, lyricist for the Grateful Dead, was interviewed in the 1990s by someone who wanted to know where that quintessential ’60s countercultural band had stood on the key issue of those times-that-were-a-changin’. What was the Dead’s relationship, the interviewer wondered, to the activist political movement that had been dedicated to bringing down a fascist warmongering Amerika?

    Hunter replied that he found distasteful the fealty to Moscow and Peking (as it was called back then) widespread among prominent ’60s revolutionaries. That fealty, he thought, was why that aspect of the ’60s faded away while the Dead kept on truckin’. “We honor American culture, and what we find good in it,” Hunter said of the Dead. And he knew American culture from many perspectives. As a member of the National Guard, Hunter had been called up to keep order during the 1965 Watts riots.

    As Jerry Garcia, Hunter’s old friend and the man who composed music to and sang his lyrics, added, “Our trip was never to go out and change the world. I mean, what would we change it to? Whatever we did would probably be worse than the way it is now.”

    • Replies: @Chris Handsome
    Ann Coulter likes the Dead. https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/live/7416520/ann-coulter-im-a-deadhead-for-life-grateful-dead

    It's only a matter of time 'till Hunter and Garcia get posthumously cancelled (post-preempted?)
    , @Anonymous
    I was never a Deadhead but they had their moments. Hunter's passing is the end of an era for sure. Probably even more so than Garcia.

    The GD contributed a lot to the technology of live sound and guitar making through Alembic and the Wall of Sound. Everyone in every field of music knows something about them.

    The songs were and are an institution.

    Like another band we've talked about here, they were not particularly consistent live, but in their case this was considered a feature rather than a bug. To get the Dead you had to attend some number of concerts and listen to live tapes for hours as they tripped their way through 45 minute renditions of "Dark Star". Instead of rebelling audiences bought into it and followed them around like puppy dogs, enabling the band to become a fat jaded money machine.

    Jerry's death ended the touring machine but dozens of "jam bands" popped up to fill the gap, making Grateful Dead style music a genre like Bill Monroe's bluegrass or David Grisman's dawg music.

    As with Taylor Swift, it's not my thing, but you can't deny its success.
    , @ben tillman

    We honor American culture, and what we find good in it,” Hunter said of the Dead.
     
    When the Dead covered Okie from Muskogee, they were being a bit ironic, but mostly it was an homage to middle America.

    Hunter was great, and I think immediately of St. Stephen, then Ripple, and Box of Rain and Eyes of the World and Uncle John's Band and Truckin' and Franklin's Tower and Sugar Magnolia, and just today I was joking that I'm going to Tennessee because there ain't no place I'd rather be.

    What an American treasure!
  153. “Our trip was never to go out and change the world. I mean, what would we change it to? Whatever we did would probably be worse than the way it is now.”

    Ah, humility, one of the lost tribes of character.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  154. Neither group belongs in America. They both have their own countries, why are they here? All Asians need to get back to their own continent, where they belong. Here they are just parasites.

  155. @DB Cooper
    The reality is that the Indians in the IT fields are not high skilled at all. They are bullshit artists protected by body shops like Infosys and TCS and they have caused tremendous damage to the US economy, both in terms of displacing skilled Americans developers and wreaking havoc in the many software they touched. Once their jig is up they moved on and prey on the next unsuspecting company. Here is a list of companies destroyed by Indian labors. This list was compiled years ago. I am sure it is much longer now.

    Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City - Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates - Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte - 2010 - this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell - call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Fannie Mae - Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP - Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can't compete with Apple's tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for 'Asian' talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas - which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare - Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines - A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America's VC $ down the drain.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo - Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi' watch.
    Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas - See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP - Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK's NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California - Cancelled Finacle project run by India's InfoSys in 2011.
    United - call center (closed in India)
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    Exactly. Indians that come to US have on average lower IQ and skills than the Americans they slowly displace. What they excel at is bullshitting and gaming the system(s). They are totally wrecking several industries were the USA had been undisputed leader until very recently (IT, science, medicine).

  156. @PiltdownMan
    Somewhat OT: It doesn't matter how many Indians we let in; it is highly unlikely that they or their children will produce even one talent equal to Robert Hunter, the lyricist for the Grateful Dead, who died last night. RIP.

    From Reason.com, which quotes itself in its obituary to Hunter, about how essentially American the Dead were.


    Robert Hunter, lyricist for the Grateful Dead, was interviewed in the 1990s by someone who wanted to know where that quintessential '60s countercultural band had stood on the key issue of those times-that-were-a-changin'. What was the Dead's relationship, the interviewer wondered, to the activist political movement that had been dedicated to bringing down a fascist warmongering Amerika?

    Hunter replied that he found distasteful the fealty to Moscow and Peking (as it was called back then) widespread among prominent '60s revolutionaries. That fealty, he thought, was why that aspect of the '60s faded away while the Dead kept on truckin'. "We honor American culture, and what we find good in it," Hunter said of the Dead. And he knew American culture from many perspectives. As a member of the National Guard, Hunter had been called up to keep order during the 1965 Watts riots.

    As Jerry Garcia, Hunter's old friend and the man who composed music to and sang his lyrics, added, "Our trip was never to go out and change the world. I mean, what would we change it to? Whatever we did would probably be worse than the way it is now."
     

    Ann Coulter likes the Dead. https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/live/7416520/ann-coulter-im-a-deadhead-for-life-grateful-dead

    It’s only a matter of time ’till Hunter and Garcia get posthumously cancelled (post-preempted?)

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    It’s only a matter of time ’till Hunter and Garcia get posthumously cancelled (post-preempted?)
     
    As Weir said in the mid '80's, "I kind of buy in to a lot of that right-wing stuff." And he and Barlow (not Hunter and Garcia) were the ones who caught heat for Jack Straw. "We can share the women; we can share the wine."
  157. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    America, 2100: The charm of the Chinese and the efficiency of India.
     
    No. If the present trend continued, American elites are going to have the charm of the Indians and the efficiency of the Indians.

    Japanese immigration is all but dried up. Korean immigration is cratering. Chinese immigration is going to decline over the long-term as well. But Indian immigration is probably going to grow significant even long-term.

    China food is taking over all our cities, yes China food, not Chinese food. Chinese food is what we’re used to, beef and broccoli, mushu pork, sweet and sour pork etc., with English names outside like “Panda Express”, “P.F. Chang’s”. China food is new — dumplings, noodles, hot pot and shit. Everywhere you go now up and down both coasts, even inland, all you see are China restaurants, with Chinese characters on the signs like they are still back in China, like this is not even the US of A. And all the people who work and eat in there are China people who don’t even speak English. They are not here to assimilate, they’re here to colonize the US. Time to send them all packing.

  158. I got the following takeaways from Indian culture from watching the Indian smash hit film “3 Idiots”:

    – Top Indian tech universities are pressure cookers — insane pressure to do well
    – “Do well” means memorize textbooks and regurgitate facts, toady for the prof
    – Everything centered on money. Main character always teaching “money doesn’t matter” yet he turns out to make the most money, winning a bet with the antagonist at the end of the film.
    – Indians generally will do anything to get ahead for prestige and money, clawing over the masses
    – Becoming a VP at a tech firm in the USA is the ultimate holy nirvana for Indians

    That’s just what I got from the film. Your mileage may vary.

  159. “Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act”: I was really hoping this would be a law regarding Sammy Sosa.

    Just curious to anyone out there, would “highly skilled” not be more grammatically correct in this instance? I would think the hyphenated adjective version would be more suitable for a job than a person. But I don’t know.

    • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    LOL for paragraph 1; Agree for paragraph 2.

    And, by the way, We All Have Scinde.

  160. @AnotherDad

    Quick test of assimilation: what percentage of an immigrant group chooses a traditional American name? Mexicans, Europeans and SE Asians score highest, Muslims and Indians lowest.
     
    It's a mediocre test Lot. Certainly a positive correlation ... but that's about it. (Especially with female names lots of people like something a bit different.)


    No the test for assimilation is ... actual assimilation.

    Do they or their children marry into--or toward--the white Christian core population.

    That's pretty much it. Endogamous ethnic groups--even if successful like the Jews--cause balkanization. (And if smart and verbal can cause you even more problems. I.e. the Jews have caused way more problems than the Amish.) Some high caste Indians show this profile--high IQ, but alienated--as well. They are alienated from core America over Christianity, hamburgers, etc. Muslims are giant pain in the ass. Regardless of whether they have the IQ for economic success, they are alienated/separated from core American by religion.

    And if core Americans show little interest in marrying with a group, that is a big flashing red flag as well about the quality and assimilability of the group.

    Do they or their children marry into–or toward–the white Christian core population.

    The mixed-race children of such unions very often become alienated from the core population, often moreso than full-on foreign-origin people.

    The identitarian trajectory of Barack Obama is a small, well-known example. Another example that comes to mind is Tim Wise, who despite only one Jewish grandparent is a strongly identified Jew and hostile to White-Christian America; arguably, Terrible Tim Wise represents a weird kind of “failure of assimilation.”

    The big exception is foreign-origin White-Christians (esp. as one gets closer to NW Europe stock) marrying into the White-Christian population (as has been the case for almost all US history).

    Conclusion: The ethnic element remains key for stable, multi-generational assimilation.

  161. @Anonymous
    And this is why the alt-right White Nationalist movement will fail in the end.

    Because men who say they are alt-right White Nationalists are even more likely to have an interracial marriage than liberal white men.

    Sounds like bullshit. There are plenty of conservatives and civic nationalists who are white with ‘Asian’ wives, whether actually from Asia or Asian-American, and this may be on parity with liberal men, but I doubt it for white nationalists. White nationalism will fail because it’s just a lot easier to defend stringent immigration restriction for cultural, economic, and law and order reasons. Strangely, all these are very legitimate reasons…and actually, deep down in my heart, the true reason I want almost zero immigration. Not every isteve reader panics because Steve and Amy Chan — nice people — live next door. Nor apologizes in the least because he doesn’t want more foreigners from anywhere coming in. It’s not complicated.

    • Agree: Aft
  162. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @DB Cooper
    The reality is that the Indians in the IT fields are not high skilled at all. They are bullshit artists protected by body shops like Infosys and TCS and they have caused tremendous damage to the US economy, both in terms of displacing skilled Americans developers and wreaking havoc in the many software they touched. Once their jig is up they moved on and prey on the next unsuspecting company. Here is a list of companies destroyed by Indian labors. This list was compiled years ago. I am sure it is much longer now.

    Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City - Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates - Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte - 2010 - this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell - call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Fannie Mae - Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP - Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can't compete with Apple's tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for 'Asian' talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas - which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare - Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines - A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America's VC $ down the drain.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo - Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi' watch.
    Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas - See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP - Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK's NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California - Cancelled Finacle project run by India's InfoSys in 2011.
    United - call center (closed in India)
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    Sun is a good case study.

    McNealy was a smart guy but not racially conscious and he let it turn to shit.

    http://consultingadultblog.blogspot.com/ has a lot if you can read between the lines even just a little.

    Why we got a kick out of Sun:

    • Replies: @Oddsbodkins
    Thanks, that blog is great reading. The times and culture it describes are as different as a foreign country.
  163. @I Have Scinde
    "Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act": I was really hoping this would be a law regarding Sammy Sosa.

    Just curious to anyone out there, would "highly skilled" not be more grammatically correct in this instance? I would think the hyphenated adjective version would be more suitable for a job than a person. But I don't know.

    LOL for paragraph 1; Agree for paragraph 2.

    And, by the way, We All Have Scinde.

  164. Third, we are told the world is going to end in 12 years due to woman-made warming. We are also told that residents of the USA have a larger annual carbon footprint than anyone on earth. Yet we continue to accept immigrants from lower carbon areas and turn them into American carbon producers in spite of this. What gives? Is climate change an issue or not? Are they saying immigration is a higher priority than saving the planet?

    Yeah, either they don’t believe in AGW, or they don’t care.

  165. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    Somewhat OT: It doesn't matter how many Indians we let in; it is highly unlikely that they or their children will produce even one talent equal to Robert Hunter, the lyricist for the Grateful Dead, who died last night. RIP.

    From Reason.com, which quotes itself in its obituary to Hunter, about how essentially American the Dead were.


    Robert Hunter, lyricist for the Grateful Dead, was interviewed in the 1990s by someone who wanted to know where that quintessential '60s countercultural band had stood on the key issue of those times-that-were-a-changin'. What was the Dead's relationship, the interviewer wondered, to the activist political movement that had been dedicated to bringing down a fascist warmongering Amerika?

    Hunter replied that he found distasteful the fealty to Moscow and Peking (as it was called back then) widespread among prominent '60s revolutionaries. That fealty, he thought, was why that aspect of the '60s faded away while the Dead kept on truckin'. "We honor American culture, and what we find good in it," Hunter said of the Dead. And he knew American culture from many perspectives. As a member of the National Guard, Hunter had been called up to keep order during the 1965 Watts riots.

    As Jerry Garcia, Hunter's old friend and the man who composed music to and sang his lyrics, added, "Our trip was never to go out and change the world. I mean, what would we change it to? Whatever we did would probably be worse than the way it is now."
     

    I was never a Deadhead but they had their moments. Hunter’s passing is the end of an era for sure. Probably even more so than Garcia.

    The GD contributed a lot to the technology of live sound and guitar making through Alembic and the Wall of Sound. Everyone in every field of music knows something about them.

    The songs were and are an institution.

    Like another band we’ve talked about here, they were not particularly consistent live, but in their case this was considered a feature rather than a bug. To get the Dead you had to attend some number of concerts and listen to live tapes for hours as they tripped their way through 45 minute renditions of “Dark Star”. Instead of rebelling audiences bought into it and followed them around like puppy dogs, enabling the band to become a fat jaded money machine.

    Jerry’s death ended the touring machine but dozens of “jam bands” popped up to fill the gap, making Grateful Dead style music a genre like Bill Monroe’s bluegrass or David Grisman’s dawg music.

    As with Taylor Swift, it’s not my thing, but you can’t deny its success.

    • Replies: @donvonburg
    Taylor Swift IS the Grateful Dead for teen and tween girls.

    And John Mayer has been i....uh, never mind.
  166. @Chris Handsome
    Ann Coulter likes the Dead. https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/live/7416520/ann-coulter-im-a-deadhead-for-life-grateful-dead

    It's only a matter of time 'till Hunter and Garcia get posthumously cancelled (post-preempted?)

    It’s only a matter of time ’till Hunter and Garcia get posthumously cancelled (post-preempted?)

    As Weir said in the mid ’80’s, “I kind of buy in to a lot of that right-wing stuff.” And he and Barlow (not Hunter and Garcia) were the ones who caught heat for Jack Straw. “We can share the women; we can share the wine.”

  167. @Twinkie

    Trolling? With facts and data?
     
    Come on now, you weren’t comparing apples to apples. Comparing American whites and non-whites and extrapolating that to white and non-white immigrants is at best sloppy and at worst misleading and dishonest.

    Moreover, “Is visual phenotype a major factor in the index? To its detriment, it doesn’t seem so: Non-whites should be rated near zero...” isn’t “facts and data.”


    If you have data on that, please share—I couldn’t find any. (FWIW I’m for an immigration moratorium in general, including from Europe.)
     
    I don’t. But the survey data from Europe is pretty pro-gun control. And you should know by now that I agree with you on immigration restriction (I don’t quite agree with a moratorium, because I’d like to leave a very small room open for exceptional cases).

    Divergent from the white average, yeah. From each other, not so much …
     
    I don’t doubt that gun rights support is MUCH higher among whites than among non-whites. However, your presentation of the data is, again, sloppy or misleading. The by-race data from the top and the among-Asian breakdowns ask different questions. When you ask the latter (the rather vague “stricter gun laws” question) to the general population in the country, the yes answers are routinely 60-70%.

    Nationally speaking, non-whites in America look different and vote different.
     
    For now, I don’t disagree, which is one of the reasons I support implicit white majoritarianism. But I should point out that it wasn’t always the case (e.g. in the 1992 presidential election, Asians voted for the Republican candidate at a higher rate than whites did). It’s not set in stone.

    Comparing American whites and non-whites and extrapolating that to white and non-white immigrants is at best sloppy and at worst misleading and dishonest.

    I responded to your posted chart which purported to show an “assimilation index” of different groups, almost all non-white. Since your chart didn’t specify if the “immigrant groups” were first generation or second or beyond, it’s certainly fair to compare them to American whites in general. Presumably, that’s what “assimilation” is measuring? If not, I don’t know why you posted it.

    Moreover, “Is visual phenotype a major factor in the index? To its detriment, it doesn’t seem so: Non-whites should be rated near zero…” isn’t “facts and data.”

    Visual phenotype is factual, and was followed by gun control survey data.

    I mentioned “visual phenotype” in the on-topic context of “assimilation” because visually, white immigrants automatically assimilate—i.e., integrate, blend in—to the white ‘standard’ easier than groups with markedly different appearances, e.g. as the iSteve blog has repeatedly documented, a lot of anti-white resentment comes from many non-whites’ feelings of inferiority and ‘under-representation’ when it comes to looks.

    … I’d like to leave a very small room open for exceptional cases.

    Agreed. To clarify, by “in general” I mean to allow for exceptional, beneficial-to-the-US cases and their immediate families—from any country.

    The by-race data from the top and the among-Asian breakdowns ask different questions.

    Regarding the “among-Asian breakdowns”: You earlier strongly implied, without data, that there would be “pretty divergent numbers” between “country origin(s)” of Asians. This is not true.

    All Asian-American subgroups averaged between 69%-89% for “stricter gun laws/control” with some trading places in the year-to-year rankings. As you conceded, that’s uniformly high compared to American whites: my salient rebuttal being that no Asian subgroups have “assimilated” on this fundamental American issue.

    When you ask the latter (the rather vague “stricter gun laws” question) to the general population in the country, the yes answers are routinely 60-70%.

    Obviously my comment was about Asian immigrants assimilating (or not) to current average white America, not the “general population of the country.” Maybe your original chart is celebrating thug life hip-hop Hmongs? Ooof.

    It’s not set in stone.

    See the overall trend line, both here and abroad. Asian “fish in the sea” are pretty consistently Asian, whether here or in Asia. E.g., as you know, you and a few Asians are the exception on 2A, not the rule.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    posted chart which purported to show an “assimilation index” of different groups, almost all non-white.
     
    The chart has a title. It's an assimilation index of "the ten largest immigrant groups" to the United States as of 2011. Among those nine are from Asia or Latin America and one is from Canada.

    Since your chart didn’t specify if the “immigrant groups” were first generation or second or beyond
     
    By "immigrants," definitionally they are foreign-born. American-born are American citizens and are treated as such in surveys. But just to clarify, I wrote this above: "Also, readers should keep in mind that this only pertains to foreign-born immigrants, not their American-born progeny." If you actually read what I wrote, instead of jumping in to contradict me in a hurry, I might think you were not as inclined to "partly troll" as I phrased earlier.

    it’s certainly fair to compare them to American whites in general. Presumably, that’s what “assimilation” is measuring?
     
    "Fair" in whose mind? To the extent this is a public survey with an ostensibly neutral political/ideological orientation (though I think the Manhattan Institute leans right-ish on some issues), any assimilation is going to compare the foreign-born to the native-born in general, not just whites (and to the extent that the whites are still a majority of the native-born, that majority would be reflected).

    And as much as I have my own personal political preferences that lean heavily "white," this index measures assimilation by using economic, cultural, and civic proxies, rather than political or ideological. These days, frankly, that's more than we can hope for, and indeed the days of measuring assimilation might come to an end sooner rather than later as multiculturalism completely obliterates patriotism and nationalism (civic or otherwise) in the mainstream institutions.

    In any case, as you can see no group even comes close to 100 in the index (not even the Canadians who score 100 on economic and culture, but lag badly in civic), but there is a clear, bifurcated pattern, which was the main point of my posting it.

    If not, I don’t know why you posted it.
     
    I didn't post it for white nationalists and Net Nazis. So, point taken on why I am bothering to respond to you.

    Visual phenotype is factual... I mentioned “visual phenotype” in the on-topic context of “assimilation” because visually, white immigrants automatically assimilate
     
    Now you are being either obtuse or disingenuous. Assimilation, especially in this context, indicates changes in attitudes and behaviors to fit new norms in a different society into which the migrants moved. You can't alter phenotypes.* Of course, you can alter both genotypes and phenotypes in descendants, and that is measured through one of the proxies - intermarriage - and is reflected in the index.

    *Using your "logic" of phenotype similarity, of course, whites from other countries who haven't migrated to the U.S. are already 100% "assimilated" to American white norms, no matter all the alterable factors. So, hey, fellow Americans in Europe - I guess you want my guns!

    as the iSteve blog has repeatedly documented, a lot of anti-white resentment comes from many non-whites’ feelings of inferiority and ‘under-representation’ when it comes to looks
     
    "Documenting" notable, but individual cases aren't exactly statistically valid. There is much selection and confirmation biases and projection at work with such speculations.

    You earlier strongly implied, without data, that there would be “pretty divergent numbers” between “country origin(s)” of Asians. This is not true.

    All Asian-American subgroups averaged between 69%-89% for “stricter gun laws/control” with some trading places in the year-to-year rankings.
     
    I asserted that because various "subgroups" of Asians have, historically, diverged considerably on major political issues. Even the rather vague and highly generalized question (which commands a super majority consensus among the U.S. public) generated a difference of 20 percentage points in responses by these groups - that's a close to 30% difference in response, which I would say is highly divergent.

    As you conceded, that’s uniformly high compared to American whites: my salient rebuttal being that no Asian subgroups have “assimilated” on this fundamental American issue.
     
    Yes, I agree that Asian subgroups appear to have low levels of support for gun rights, but I think the odds are high that other immigrant groups - Hispanics and Europeans - also have low levels of support for gun rights. This is not a racial issue, internationally. It is, with few exceptions, an issue of American vs. non-American bifurcation (and unsurprisingly so, given that we are under 5% of the world population, but own 50% of guns in civilian hands in the world).

    The other thing to keep in mind is that, even within the United States, gun rights orientation is highly geographically-dependent. Urban dwellers are overwhelmingly more supportive of gun control than rural and even suburban residents. And since immigrants - Asian or otherwise - are highly concentrated in urban areas, their views are much more inline with their native-born neighbors, yes, including whites, in those areas than they are to the whites nationally (Mr. Sailer once wrote a long time ago, quite accurately, that Asians are typically more conservative than their neighbors but that they were concentrated in liberal urban and suburban areas and thus were less conservative than whites nationally - interestingly enough, that doesn't seem to apply to homosexuality).

    A more significantly accurate view of "assimilation" on this topic should compare apples-to-apples and look at immigrant and their U.S.-born counterpart views in comparison to general public or white views in the same geographical locations. I wish that kind of data were available, but they aren't yet as far as I know.

    Maybe your original chart is celebrating thug life hip-hop Hmongs? Ooof.
     
    That's just asinine trolling and you know it. If you were serious about this discussion, you'd have read the linked document and examined the proxies used and known what factors were measured.

    See the overall trend line, both here and abroad. Asian “fish in the sea” are pretty consistently Asian, whether here or in Asia.
     
    I don't quite know what this means. But if I were to guess, you seem to be implying that Asian views on cultural or political issues are similar in Asia and in the U.S. That's factually incorrect. There is wide divergence from region to region in Asia, and some significant differences even within the same ethnicity between Asia and the United States... which is not a big surprise. For example, Koreans in South Korea are only 25% Christian, but Koreans in the States are 70-80 Christian (with a large fraction of evangelicals). Religion being a pretty significant variable, their cultural and political views vary accordingly.

    you and a few Asians are the exception on 2A, not the rule.
     
    I can't speak for others, but, yes, I am unusual on "2A," and not just among Asians. 2A absolutism is a minority view among whites as well, especially among whites of my SES.

    As far as where I live, the ethno-racial demographic breakdown is roughly 80% white and 15% Asian. The Asian population fraction used to be overwhelmingly Vietnamese and Korean. Now it's roughly half Viet-Korean-Chinese and half Indian. The membership at the local gun range is probably inline with the population breakdown, maybe 80-85% white and 15-20% Asian, but the Asian fraction is almost entirely Korean and Viet with almost no Indian members.

    I'd imagine, given all that I've observed and read, Indians who live in San Francisco and Vietnamese who live in rural Texas have markedly different views on guns, but I'd really like to see actual data.
  168. @PiltdownMan
    Somewhat OT: It doesn't matter how many Indians we let in; it is highly unlikely that they or their children will produce even one talent equal to Robert Hunter, the lyricist for the Grateful Dead, who died last night. RIP.

    From Reason.com, which quotes itself in its obituary to Hunter, about how essentially American the Dead were.


    Robert Hunter, lyricist for the Grateful Dead, was interviewed in the 1990s by someone who wanted to know where that quintessential '60s countercultural band had stood on the key issue of those times-that-were-a-changin'. What was the Dead's relationship, the interviewer wondered, to the activist political movement that had been dedicated to bringing down a fascist warmongering Amerika?

    Hunter replied that he found distasteful the fealty to Moscow and Peking (as it was called back then) widespread among prominent '60s revolutionaries. That fealty, he thought, was why that aspect of the '60s faded away while the Dead kept on truckin'. "We honor American culture, and what we find good in it," Hunter said of the Dead. And he knew American culture from many perspectives. As a member of the National Guard, Hunter had been called up to keep order during the 1965 Watts riots.

    As Jerry Garcia, Hunter's old friend and the man who composed music to and sang his lyrics, added, "Our trip was never to go out and change the world. I mean, what would we change it to? Whatever we did would probably be worse than the way it is now."
     

    We honor American culture, and what we find good in it,” Hunter said of the Dead.

    When the Dead covered Okie from Muskogee, they were being a bit ironic, but mostly it was an homage to middle America.

    Hunter was great, and I think immediately of St. Stephen, then Ripple, and Box of Rain and Eyes of the World and Uncle John’s Band and Truckin’ and Franklin’s Tower and Sugar Magnolia, and just today I was joking that I’m going to Tennessee because there ain’t no place I’d rather be.

    What an American treasure!

  169. @Corvinus
    "Earlier this evening, my wife (who is Chinese)..."

    I thought race mixing was a direct assault on the tenets of the Alt Right. Why are we promoting such an obvious abomination?

    a direct assault on the tenets of the Alt Right

    Such commenters are actually Alt-Light in deference to their Chinese wives—not just for political reasons, but also because their wives can’t pronounce the R in Right.

    • Replies: @lhtness
    I suspect that the idea of "North-East Asians can't distinguish 'l' from 'r'" is mostly based on Koreans and Japanese. Chinese has an 'l' vs. 'r' distinction in syllable initial position. (Syllable-final 'l'l is another matter entirely, and Chinese are notoriously bad at producing that. Koreans are fine with syllable-final 'l', and I don't know as much about Japanese.)

    Anyway, in syllable-initial positions, native speakers of Mandarin Chinese can produce "r", but if you listen carefully in a Chinese class, they alternate between an approximate and an fricative. In my rather limited experience, they typically cannot distinguish between these.
  170. @Anonymous
    Sun is a good case study.

    McNealy was a smart guy but not racially conscious and he let it turn to shit.

    http://consultingadultblog.blogspot.com/ has a lot if you can read between the lines even just a little.

    Why we got a kick out of Sun:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMriY2_Rfs

    Thanks, that blog is great reading. The times and culture it describes are as different as a foreign country.

  171. @Corvinus
    "Earlier this evening, my wife (who is Chinese)..."

    I thought race mixing was a direct assault on the tenets of the Alt Right. Why are we promoting such an obvious abomination?

    Discussing immigration, and its potential and very real negative effects if not managed properly, as is being done here, is not Alt Right at all. It’s the normal function and right of citizens in their native land.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Corvulus deliberately and dishonestly ignores some major situational differences between 19th- and 21st-century immigration.

    There was more room here, the cost and difficulty of transport was much greater, there were no anti-discrimination laws, the "safety net" was almost entirely private, voluntary, and necessarily limited. Being "unskilled" was less of a handicap. Communication with the folks back home took more months then than it does seconds today.

    Repatriation occurred at a very high rate. It's almost unseen today.

    Just as an experiment, let's bring back those bygone conditions and see what happens!

    , @Corvinus
    "It’s the normal function and right of citizens in their native land."

    Except Europeans are not native to North or South America.
  172. @Corvinus
    "Yes. Cheap employers...less fortunate Americans are the Whom whom they screw.""

    Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism.

    "A native drug problem is a poor justification for bringing even more users and pushers from abroad."

    I would say more users and pushers of meth are our own Caucasian brethren. More biological than environmental.

    "The ones Tyson promises to hire"

    Like Constanza?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Tspdoouns

    Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism.

    Subsidized capitalism. Kind of like stadia and arenas.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Subsidized capitalism. Kind of like stadia and arenas."

    No, it's simply called "capitalism".
  173. @Corvinus
    "Indians and Chinese are lose-lose for America. Both are parasitical classes whose downside is a hundred times whatever upside they might bring."

    Nativists said the exact same thing about Eastern and Southern Europeans. For example, in the late 1800's, racialist theories circulated in the press, advancing pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans. Drawings and songs had caricatured the Italians as childlike, criminal, and subhuman. “If immigration was properly restricted, you would never be troubled with anarchism, socialism, the Mafia and such kindred evils!” was one such message from a political cartoon (1891).

    So was it magic dirt and civic nationalism that made today's Italians "respectable"?

    As far as the Chinese, in 1872 Mark Twain remarked "They are a kindly disposed, well-meaning race, and are respected and well treated by the upper classes, all over the Pacific coast. No Californian gentleman or lady ever abuses or oppresses a Chinaman, under any circumstances, an explanation that seems to be much needed in the East. Only the scum of the population do it--they and their children; they, and, naturally and consistently, the policemen and politicians, likewise, for these are the dust-licking pimps and slaves of the scum, there as well as elsewhere in America."

    So, was Twain anti-white and a "cuck" to boot?

    “pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans”

    Which would be correct. There’s a reason why Northern Europe has 100x the amount of Nobel Prizes. It’s not the Renaissance anymore.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Which would be correct."

    So you agree that there is a pecking order when it comes to inherent European dominance? That would be cause for divisiveness among white people. I thought there was to be no punching to the Right. Moreover, how can a pseudo scientific theor" be "correct"?

    "There’s a reason why Northern Europe has 100x the amount of Nobel Prizes. It’s not the Renaissance anymore."

    So that alone is the basis for superior genes between two groups of Europeans?
  174. @Twinkie
    By the way, while higher Asian support for gun control is lamentable, they are better on other issues, such as:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2012/06/2012-sdt-asian-americans-130.png

    But on this issue, assimilation unfortunately hurts, not helps.

    It’s 100% an age thing. Young people don’t give a damn. Only old farts still get a coronary over seeing two men holding hands in the street.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    It’s 100% an age thing. Young people don’t give a damn. Only old farts still get a coronary over seeing two men holding hands in the street.
     
    Those who care about race care about sex by default, because race is the result of sex. Marriage tames sex, and is the primary prerequisite for civilization, which men will refuse to build for children who may not be theirs.

    It's hard to think of a serious racialist before 1960, or 1990 for that matter, who wouldn't have been horrified at "seeing two men holding hands in the street", and written off their whole society as irredeemably corrupt and headed for the dustbin. Or at least looney bin.

    The only congressional district in which I've seen men kiss in the street was represented by Martin Sabo. Martin Olav Sabo-- is that Nordic enough for you?

    Then it went to Keith Ellison and now to Ilhan Omar.

    The two phenomena are closely connected.
  175. @Anonymous
    One of the key indicators of assimilation is outmarriage rates. Indians are at the bottom for this (https://imdiversity.com/villages/asian/by-the-numbers-dating-marriage-and-race-in-asian-america/)

    That so many Indians flocked to see Modi clearly tells that their souls are with their homeland. And we are giving the country away to them just because they are good at bullshitting.

    The souls of brown immigrants are always with their homelands. Their adopted land/people is something to be exploited economically and which provides them a higher standard of living. Check out Turks living in Germany with a German citizenship, at an Erdogan rally in Germany. Turkish flags all around, hardly a German flag. Same thing.

    I wonder if Indians would allow or psychologically accept such large number of White Americans to hold such rallies in India.

    • Replies: @Malla
    There was this video I saw long time ago by Ezra Levant from Rebel Media. It is hard to find it now a days on Communist youtube as they have changed the search algorithms. Youtube directs you to CNN and other fake Commie sites even if one puts Rebel media in the search bar. Even though Rebel Media is philo Jewish and pro-Israel but it is on the right.

    Anyways the video was an interview of Turkish college students in Germany and these were very "Westernised" Turks. No burkha, jeans and trendy modern clothing. And all the Turks hardly had any native German friends nor did they want any nor did they fell the need. They showed a deep hatred for native Germans. They want the land of Germany with the advanced infrastructure but would prefer native Germans would disappear. These are Westernized Turks in Germany we are talking about nor the fundamentalists ones!!!

  176. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    The Indians I've come into contact with aren't bad people individually. But they're just kind of stupid. They're dirty, smelly, and un-hygenic. The idea that they're some super smart tech geniuses is a huge meme. They train their entire lives to do IT - of course they're going to be better than some white kid who just graduated university, and no training costs. Doesn't mean they're better or smarter.

    Indians are a massive threat to Canada and the USA. They are subversive. They are dirty, smelly, and humble while poor and in school, but once they get rich they become extremely uppity, short sighted and arrogant.

    Their children become anti-white SJWs, as we've mentioned before. "Brown" male children are highly unpleasant, often aping the negro culture and becoming gang bangers. The females are pleasant though.

    On an individual level, Indians are much nicer than Chinese. On a societal level, they are far, far worse. Chinese don't have kids and are rapidly aging. In 50 years they will have almost no population pressure outwards.

    Indians are the greatest threat to our countries right now.

    ” The idea that they’re some super smart tech geniuses is a huge meme. “

    I’ve worked with quite a few and I agree with you.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  177. @Malla
    The souls of brown immigrants are always with their homelands. Their adopted land/people is something to be exploited economically and which provides them a higher standard of living. Check out Turks living in Germany with a German citizenship, at an Erdogan rally in Germany. Turkish flags all around, hardly a German flag. Same thing.

    I wonder if Indians would allow or psychologically accept such large number of White Americans to hold such rallies in India.

    There was this video I saw long time ago by Ezra Levant from Rebel Media. It is hard to find it now a days on Communist youtube as they have changed the search algorithms. Youtube directs you to CNN and other fake Commie sites even if one puts Rebel media in the search bar. Even though Rebel Media is philo Jewish and pro-Israel but it is on the right.

    Anyways the video was an interview of Turkish college students in Germany and these were very “Westernised” Turks. No burkha, jeans and trendy modern clothing. And all the Turks hardly had any native German friends nor did they want any nor did they fell the need. They showed a deep hatred for native Germans. They want the land of Germany with the advanced infrastructure but would prefer native Germans would disappear. These are Westernized Turks in Germany we are talking about nor the fundamentalists ones!!!

  178. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous
    Both, but I still oppose immigration. I wish the US had remained a white supermajority nation. We could accept the foreign spouses of citizens easily if the rest of the immigration system wasn't so broken.

    So you’re a hypocrite.

    If you’re a white man, and you claim to be conservative, nationalist, anti-immigration, alt-right, or white nationalist, and you have lived in Asia or had an Asian gf or wife, you’re a Grade A Hypocrite.

    I hope all of your single female relatives marry black men.

    • Replies: @Malla
    Why only black men? Why not eskimo men? Why the discrimination? Why the racism?
    , @Chrisnonymous
    Yeah. I guess the USA circa 30-40 years ago sucked. I mean, there's no difference between 40% white and 80% white. Luckily, in the utopia of Spencerstan, people like me will be unwelcome.
  179. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    "pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans"

    Which would be correct. There's a reason why Northern Europe has 100x the amount of Nobel Prizes. It's not the Renaissance anymore.

    “Which would be correct.”

    So you agree that there is a pecking order when it comes to inherent European dominance? That would be cause for divisiveness among white people. I thought there was to be no punching to the Right. Moreover, how can a pseudo scientific theor” be “correct”?

    “There’s a reason why Northern Europe has 100x the amount of Nobel Prizes. It’s not the Renaissance anymore.”

    So that alone is the basis for superior genes between two groups of Europeans?

  180. @Reg Cæsar

    Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism.
     
    Subsidized capitalism. Kind of like stadia and arenas.

    “Subsidized capitalism. Kind of like stadia and arenas.”

    No, it’s simply called “capitalism”.

  181. @Anonymous
    I was never a Deadhead but they had their moments. Hunter's passing is the end of an era for sure. Probably even more so than Garcia.

    The GD contributed a lot to the technology of live sound and guitar making through Alembic and the Wall of Sound. Everyone in every field of music knows something about them.

    The songs were and are an institution.

    Like another band we've talked about here, they were not particularly consistent live, but in their case this was considered a feature rather than a bug. To get the Dead you had to attend some number of concerts and listen to live tapes for hours as they tripped their way through 45 minute renditions of "Dark Star". Instead of rebelling audiences bought into it and followed them around like puppy dogs, enabling the band to become a fat jaded money machine.

    Jerry's death ended the touring machine but dozens of "jam bands" popped up to fill the gap, making Grateful Dead style music a genre like Bill Monroe's bluegrass or David Grisman's dawg music.

    As with Taylor Swift, it's not my thing, but you can't deny its success.

    Taylor Swift IS the Grateful Dead for teen and tween girls.

    And John Mayer has been i….uh, never mind.

  182. @Corvinus
    "Indians and Chinese are lose-lose for America. Both are parasitical classes whose downside is a hundred times whatever upside they might bring."

    Nativists said the exact same thing about Eastern and Southern Europeans. For example, in the late 1800's, racialist theories circulated in the press, advancing pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans. Drawings and songs had caricatured the Italians as childlike, criminal, and subhuman. “If immigration was properly restricted, you would never be troubled with anarchism, socialism, the Mafia and such kindred evils!” was one such message from a political cartoon (1891).

    So was it magic dirt and civic nationalism that made today's Italians "respectable"?

    As far as the Chinese, in 1872 Mark Twain remarked "They are a kindly disposed, well-meaning race, and are respected and well treated by the upper classes, all over the Pacific coast. No Californian gentleman or lady ever abuses or oppresses a Chinaman, under any circumstances, an explanation that seems to be much needed in the East. Only the scum of the population do it--they and their children; they, and, naturally and consistently, the policemen and politicians, likewise, for these are the dust-licking pimps and slaves of the scum, there as well as elsewhere in America."

    So, was Twain anti-white and a "cuck" to boot?

    Immigration was a good idea at one time, but times change. Why does nobody recognize this?

    The United States, far from needing more people, is overpopulated now and going bankrupt because of it.

    • Replies: @Flip
    Democrats want more voters and Republicans want to serve their business donors who want cheap labor.
  183. Immigration is not that hard.

    No cousin-marriers. They’re clannish and have unbearable personalities. They are incompatible with democracy and no one (but their inbred relatives) wants to be around them.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2877828

  184. @Bragadocious
    I am vomit.

    Street-poo not allow.

  185. @XYZ (no Mr.)
    I hope Tom Cotton will be president one day.

    The debate regarding country caps seems to be one sided: it's agreed that it's terribly unfair to immigrants from poor and poorly run, corrupt, populus countries.

    The unapologetic and vigorous response from Americans should be that immigration policy should be solely designed to benefit America, and assimilate immigrants into the national family as smoothly and quickly as possible. And I do mean full members of the family.

    Large numbers of immigrants from a single country seriously retard assimilation. 1,000,000 immigrants from two countries is much much more difficult to assimilate than 1,000,000 immigrants from 25 countries.

    Large numbers of immigrants in a single industry seriously retard assimilation. Out west, this is clealy seen from the service industry -- all Spanish speaking -- to the tech industry, where many companies have engineering departments dominated by one group: Indians, Chinese, Eastern European.

    As an American, it is not my duty nor responsibility to change immigration law to suit some concept of 'fairness' to individual immigrants. As a nation we should formulate immigration policy that best helps all current citizens, offer our terms, and potential immigrants can accept or reject, as is their right.

    Of course, all should be treated with courtesy through the immigration process, which I do hear is lacking from comments from my friends who have immigrated. That should be changed.

    Better yet, end immigration entirely. Does no one notice how insulting it is to native born Americans to be told over and over that “we need immigrants” because of some or another perceived inadequacy of the native born?

  186. @Corvinus
    "Indians and Chinese are lose-lose for America. Both are parasitical classes whose downside is a hundred times whatever upside they might bring."

    Nativists said the exact same thing about Eastern and Southern Europeans. For example, in the late 1800's, racialist theories circulated in the press, advancing pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans. Drawings and songs had caricatured the Italians as childlike, criminal, and subhuman. “If immigration was properly restricted, you would never be troubled with anarchism, socialism, the Mafia and such kindred evils!” was one such message from a political cartoon (1891).

    So was it magic dirt and civic nationalism that made today's Italians "respectable"?

    As far as the Chinese, in 1872 Mark Twain remarked "They are a kindly disposed, well-meaning race, and are respected and well treated by the upper classes, all over the Pacific coast. No Californian gentleman or lady ever abuses or oppresses a Chinaman, under any circumstances, an explanation that seems to be much needed in the East. Only the scum of the population do it--they and their children; they, and, naturally and consistently, the policemen and politicians, likewise, for these are the dust-licking pimps and slaves of the scum, there as well as elsewhere in America."

    So, was Twain anti-white and a "cuck" to boot?

    racialist theories circulated in the press, advancing pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans. Drawings and songs had caricatured the Italians as childlike, criminal, and subhuman. “If immigration was properly restricted, you would never be troubled with anarchism, socialism, the Mafia and such kindred evils!” was one such message from a political cartoon (1891).

    • Replies: @Aft
    Also this:

    https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/GDP_capita_per_hour_2013.png

    https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/GDP_capita_per_hour_2013.png

    , @Corvinus
    So you procured visuals and video, now how about offering the requisite context and in-depth analysis.

    Does not the white community need to be united at this critical juncture in world history? Why are you seeming sowing disharmony or in "hood" talk "throwing shade", at your fellow white brethren?
  187. @Aft

    racialist theories circulated in the press, advancing pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans. Drawings and songs had caricatured the Italians as childlike, criminal, and subhuman. “If immigration was properly restricted, you would never be troubled with anarchism, socialism, the Mafia and such kindred evils!” was one such message from a political cartoon (1891).
     
    https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/europe-iq-hajnal-1200.png

    https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/GDP_capita_per_hour_2013.png

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0eS-9v_Abo

    https://i.imgur.com/iwhzPq2_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    Also this:

  188. @Twinkie
    By the way, while higher Asian support for gun control is lamentable, they are better on other issues, such as:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2012/06/2012-sdt-asian-americans-130.png

    But on this issue, assimilation unfortunately hurts, not helps.

    What a stupid poll! It can be accepted and discouraged. They aren’t alternatives,

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Most polls ask simplistic, "stupid" questions that aren't exactly nuanced. They are only useful as comparative and general attitude survey purposes.
  189. @The Beggar Blogger
    Angry white men tend be beta and lower status (=Asian wives.)

    Angry white men tend be beta and lower status (=Asian wives.)

    Phil Gramm, Mitch McConnell, Bruno Gollnisch, John Lennon, Nicholas Cage, Mark Zuckerberg, Rupert Murdoch…

    https://www.seekingasianfemale.com

    https://goodmenproject.com/social-justice-2/subtle-racism-targets-white-men-with-asian-women-wcz/

  190. @XYZ (no Mr.)
    Discussing immigration, and its potential and very real negative effects if not managed properly, as is being done here, is not Alt Right at all. It's the normal function and right of citizens in their native land.

    Corvulus deliberately and dishonestly ignores some major situational differences between 19th- and 21st-century immigration.

    There was more room here, the cost and difficulty of transport was much greater, there were no anti-discrimination laws, the “safety net” was almost entirely private, voluntary, and necessarily limited. Being “unskilled” was less of a handicap. Communication with the folks back home took more months then than it does seconds today.

    Repatriation occurred at a very high rate. It’s almost unseen today.

    Just as an experiment, let’s bring back those bygone conditions and see what happens!

  191. @Anonymous
    So you're a hypocrite.

    If you're a white man, and you claim to be conservative, nationalist, anti-immigration, alt-right, or white nationalist, and you have lived in Asia or had an Asian gf or wife, you're a Grade A Hypocrite.

    I hope all of your single female relatives marry black men.

    Why only black men? Why not eskimo men? Why the discrimination? Why the racism?

  192. @Anonymous
    So you're a hypocrite.

    If you're a white man, and you claim to be conservative, nationalist, anti-immigration, alt-right, or white nationalist, and you have lived in Asia or had an Asian gf or wife, you're a Grade A Hypocrite.

    I hope all of your single female relatives marry black men.

    Yeah. I guess the USA circa 30-40 years ago sucked. I mean, there’s no difference between 40% white and 80% white. Luckily, in the utopia of Spencerstan, people like me will be unwelcome.

  193. You want Chinese in the USA to acquire Second Amendment concerns? Take them to the range.

    Asian girl enjoys USA freedom

    Amazing first time out in USA

  194. @ben tillman
    What a stupid poll! It can be accepted and discouraged. They aren't alternatives,

    Most polls ask simplistic, “stupid” questions that aren’t exactly nuanced. They are only useful as comparative and general attitude survey purposes.

  195. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Comparing American whites and non-whites and extrapolating that to white and non-white immigrants is at best sloppy and at worst misleading and dishonest.
     
    I responded to your posted chart which purported to show an “assimilation index” of different groups, almost all non-white. Since your chart didn’t specify if the “immigrant groups” were first generation or second or beyond, it’s certainly fair to compare them to American whites in general. Presumably, that’s what “assimilation” is measuring? If not, I don’t know why you posted it.

    Moreover, “Is visual phenotype a major factor in the index? To its detriment, it doesn’t seem so: Non-whites should be rated near zero…” isn’t “facts and data.”
     
    Visual phenotype is factual, and was followed by gun control survey data.

    I mentioned “visual phenotype” in the on-topic context of “assimilation” because visually, white immigrants automatically assimilate—i.e., integrate, blend in—to the white ‘standard’ easier than groups with markedly different appearances, e.g. as the iSteve blog has repeatedly documented, a lot of anti-white resentment comes from many non-whites’ feelings of inferiority and ‘under-representation’ when it comes to looks.

    … I’d like to leave a very small room open for exceptional cases.
     
    Agreed. To clarify, by “in general” I mean to allow for exceptional, beneficial-to-the-US cases and their immediate families—from any country.

    The by-race data from the top and the among-Asian breakdowns ask different questions.
     
    Regarding the “among-Asian breakdowns”: You earlier strongly implied, without data, that there would be “pretty divergent numbers” between “country origin(s)” of Asians. This is not true.

    All Asian-American subgroups averaged between 69%-89% for “stricter gun laws/control” with some trading places in the year-to-year rankings. As you conceded, that’s uniformly high compared to American whites: my salient rebuttal being that no Asian subgroups have “assimilated” on this fundamental American issue.

    When you ask the latter (the rather vague “stricter gun laws” question) to the general population in the country, the yes answers are routinely 60-70%.
     
    Obviously my comment was about Asian immigrants assimilating (or not) to current average white America, not the “general population of the country.” Maybe your original chart is celebrating thug life hip-hop Hmongs? Ooof.

    It’s not set in stone.
     
    See the overall trend line, both here and abroad. Asian “fish in the sea” are pretty consistently Asian, whether here or in Asia. E.g., as you know, you and a few Asians are the exception on 2A, not the rule.

    posted chart which purported to show an “assimilation index” of different groups, almost all non-white.

    The chart has a title. It’s an assimilation index of “the ten largest immigrant groups” to the United States as of 2011. Among those nine are from Asia or Latin America and one is from Canada.

    Since your chart didn’t specify if the “immigrant groups” were first generation or second or beyond

    By “immigrants,” definitionally they are foreign-born. American-born are American citizens and are treated as such in surveys. But just to clarify, I wrote this above: “Also, readers should keep in mind that this only pertains to foreign-born immigrants, not their American-born progeny.” If you actually read what I wrote, instead of jumping in to contradict me in a hurry, I might think you were not as inclined to “partly troll” as I phrased earlier.

    it’s certainly fair to compare them to American whites in general. Presumably, that’s what “assimilation” is measuring?

    “Fair” in whose mind? To the extent this is a public survey with an ostensibly neutral political/ideological orientation (though I think the Manhattan Institute leans right-ish on some issues), any assimilation is going to compare the foreign-born to the native-born in general, not just whites (and to the extent that the whites are still a majority of the native-born, that majority would be reflected).

    And as much as I have my own personal political preferences that lean heavily “white,” this index measures assimilation by using economic, cultural, and civic proxies, rather than political or ideological. These days, frankly, that’s more than we can hope for, and indeed the days of measuring assimilation might come to an end sooner rather than later as multiculturalism completely obliterates patriotism and nationalism (civic or otherwise) in the mainstream institutions.

    In any case, as you can see no group even comes close to 100 in the index (not even the Canadians who score 100 on economic and culture, but lag badly in civic), but there is a clear, bifurcated pattern, which was the main point of my posting it.

    If not, I don’t know why you posted it.

    I didn’t post it for white nationalists and Net Nazis. So, point taken on why I am bothering to respond to you.

    Visual phenotype is factual… I mentioned “visual phenotype” in the on-topic context of “assimilation” because visually, white immigrants automatically assimilate

    Now you are being either obtuse or disingenuous. Assimilation, especially in this context, indicates changes in attitudes and behaviors to fit new norms in a different society into which the migrants moved. You can’t alter phenotypes.* Of course, you can alter both genotypes and phenotypes in descendants, and that is measured through one of the proxies – intermarriage – and is reflected in the index.

    *Using your “logic” of phenotype similarity, of course, whites from other countries who haven’t migrated to the U.S. are already 100% “assimilated” to American white norms, no matter all the alterable factors. So, hey, fellow Americans in Europe – I guess you want my guns!

    as the iSteve blog has repeatedly documented, a lot of anti-white resentment comes from many non-whites’ feelings of inferiority and ‘under-representation’ when it comes to looks

    “Documenting” notable, but individual cases aren’t exactly statistically valid. There is much selection and confirmation biases and projection at work with such speculations.

    You earlier strongly implied, without data, that there would be “pretty divergent numbers” between “country origin(s)” of Asians. This is not true.

    All Asian-American subgroups averaged between 69%-89% for “stricter gun laws/control” with some trading places in the year-to-year rankings.

    I asserted that because various “subgroups” of Asians have, historically, diverged considerably on major political issues. Even the rather vague and highly generalized question (which commands a super majority consensus among the U.S. public) generated a difference of 20 percentage points in responses by these groups – that’s a close to 30% difference in response, which I would say is highly divergent.

    As you conceded, that’s uniformly high compared to American whites: my salient rebuttal being that no Asian subgroups have “assimilated” on this fundamental American issue.

    Yes, I agree that Asian subgroups appear to have low levels of support for gun rights, but I think the odds are high that other immigrant groups – Hispanics and Europeans – also have low levels of support for gun rights. This is not a racial issue, internationally. It is, with few exceptions, an issue of American vs. non-American bifurcation (and unsurprisingly so, given that we are under 5% of the world population, but own 50% of guns in civilian hands in the world).

    The other thing to keep in mind is that, even within the United States, gun rights orientation is highly geographically-dependent. Urban dwellers are overwhelmingly more supportive of gun control than rural and even suburban residents. And since immigrants – Asian or otherwise – are highly concentrated in urban areas, their views are much more inline with their native-born neighbors, yes, including whites, in those areas than they are to the whites nationally (Mr. Sailer once wrote a long time ago, quite accurately, that Asians are typically more conservative than their neighbors but that they were concentrated in liberal urban and suburban areas and thus were less conservative than whites nationally – interestingly enough, that doesn’t seem to apply to homosexuality).

    A more significantly accurate view of “assimilation” on this topic should compare apples-to-apples and look at immigrant and their U.S.-born counterpart views in comparison to general public or white views in the same geographical locations. I wish that kind of data were available, but they aren’t yet as far as I know.

    Maybe your original chart is celebrating thug life hip-hop Hmongs? Ooof.

    That’s just asinine trolling and you know it. If you were serious about this discussion, you’d have read the linked document and examined the proxies used and known what factors were measured.

    See the overall trend line, both here and abroad. Asian “fish in the sea” are pretty consistently Asian, whether here or in Asia.

    I don’t quite know what this means. But if I were to guess, you seem to be implying that Asian views on cultural or political issues are similar in Asia and in the U.S. That’s factually incorrect. There is wide divergence from region to region in Asia, and some significant differences even within the same ethnicity between Asia and the United States… which is not a big surprise. For example, Koreans in South Korea are only 25% Christian, but Koreans in the States are 70-80 Christian (with a large fraction of evangelicals). Religion being a pretty significant variable, their cultural and political views vary accordingly.

    you and a few Asians are the exception on 2A, not the rule.

    I can’t speak for others, but, yes, I am unusual on “2A,” and not just among Asians. 2A absolutism is a minority view among whites as well, especially among whites of my SES.

    As far as where I live, the ethno-racial demographic breakdown is roughly 80% white and 15% Asian. The Asian population fraction used to be overwhelmingly Vietnamese and Korean. Now it’s roughly half Viet-Korean-Chinese and half Indian. The membership at the local gun range is probably inline with the population breakdown, maybe 80-85% white and 15-20% Asian, but the Asian fraction is almost entirely Korean and Viet with almost no Indian members.

    I’d imagine, given all that I’ve observed and read, Indians who live in San Francisco and Vietnamese who live in rural Texas have markedly different views on guns, but I’d really like to see actual data.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    By “immigrants,” definitionally they are foreign-born.
     
    There’s a common concept—and useful oxymoron—known as second-generation, third-generation etc. immigrants and “immigrant groups” (the phrase in the title of your assimilation chart): something readers of this blog are keenly interested in, for obvious reasons. You left it ambiguous in your initial unsourced post. I missed your belated clarification in your response to res—my bad for not catching that!

    any assimilation is going to compare the foreign-born to the native-born in general
     
    Rather useless index, then—many native born second-generation (and beyond) ‘immigrants’ haven’t assimilated in the first place.

    Also, this from your Manhattan Institute (M.I.) source:

    It is important to note that cultural assimilation is not a measure of a group’s conformity with any preconceived ideal. Changes in the customs and practices of the native-born can promote cultural assimilation just as easily as changes among the foreign-born.
     
    Again, many of the native-born in the US are progeny of immigrants, strictly defined. Not to mention American blacks (big disfunction!) are included in the native-born data. So the “assimilation” as measured by M.I. is suspect.

    You write:

    … this index measures assimilation by using economic, cultural, and civic proxies, rather than political or ideological. These days, frankly, that’s more than we can hope for …
     
    It’s not about “hope,” it’s about will, policy, and action (or lack thereof). The precursor to action is preparing the intellectual and motivational battlespace. Starting with “who is we, kemosabe”, and what do “we” want?

    Now you are being either obtuse or disingenuous. Assimilation, especially in this context, indicates changes in attitudes and behaviors to fit new norms in a different society into which the migrants moved.
     
    You may be too narrowly defining it from your personal journey. At the very least, “assimilate” (in a non-threatening sense—not talking about macrophage action) means to fit in. Assimilation in this sense can occur (to varying degrees of success) due to pre-existing similarities or through deliberate adaptation.

    Assimilation in a more threatening sense is something I call macrophage convergence. Such convergence (#31) can ‘run the table’ in one direction or the other (Manifest Destiny), or more evenly blend into a hybrid. Indeed, your source defines the success of “assimilation” as the convergence of immigrant and native groups as “indistinguishable.” This suggests that a broad hybridization/mongrelization of mores and genotypes can be considered successful assimilation according to the M.I. :

    When immigrants and natives are very similar, this algorithm will not perform much better than random guessing. When the two populations are distinct, the algorithm will have better success. The assimilation index is a measure of how successful this algorithm is, on average. The index returns a value of zero when immigrants and natives are perfectly distinct from one another. It returns a value of 100 when the two groups are indistinguishable.
     
    You write:

    Of course, you can alter both genotypes and phenotypes in descendants, and that is measured through one of the proxies – intermarriage – and is reflected in the index.
     
    Right, that’s assimilation in the more aggressive hybridization/mongrelization sense.

    Using your “logic” of phenotype similarity, of course, whites from other countries who haven’t migrated to the U.S. are already 100% “assimilated” to American white norms
     
    Wut? I made no claims about foreign whites beyond phenotype compatibility relating to ease of assimilation socially to native US whites (e.g. no racial identity resentment). However, one can easily look at the aggregate racial charts of American voters and see that whites (immigrants and descendants thereof) and Asians (immigrants and descendants thereof) are starkly divergent on the Second Amendment.

    Thus it stands to reason that contemporary white immigrants to the US could be naturally more pro-2A than the average of their stay-put countrymen, and do, or will, conform to contemporary white American patterns on this issue. Neither of us have any data on that, alas.

    “Documenting” notable, but individual cases aren’t exactly statistically valid.
     
    It’s never ending. A typical example in yesterday’s New York Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/opinion/chanel-miller-know-my-name.html

    In her memoir, Ms. Miller writes about how growing up Asian-American had made her feel “used to being unseen, to never being fully known. It did not feel possible that I could be the protagonist.” Asian-American women intersect with racism and sexism in ways that are shared by women of other races and also unique to us. It’s impossible to acknowledge the dehumanization of and violence against Asian women — including hypersexualization, exoticization and fetishization — without connecting it to a long history of American colonialism, imperialism and militarization in Asian countries.
     
  196. @Joe Stalin
    Fortunately, just ONE Rooftop Chinaman makes up for that non-assimilation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAnCjqX0IQA

    Rooftop Chinaman

    No such thing. Rooftop Koreans, yes.

    https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/roof-koreans

    • Replies: @PorkTastic
    Your seem Korean by ethnicity. Koreans assimilate much better than those dotheads and don't have an air of fake superiority about them. Not as materialist either (the crass materialism and the love of money that I have in these most 'most spiritual' and vegan Hindus was no less than those wall street (((shyster))) types). With much better looking women to boot 😀

    Nonetheless some second generation Koreans are starting to ride the sjw bandwagon which is sad.

    Ever since I've moved from tech to tech sales, I've been traveling a lot to Asia (both fancy and jungle) and I see a lot of these sneaky ones in Korea and Malaysia. If your folks back home tone their guard down even for a bit, you can expect these dot heads to decimate your tech and fill it up with their kind like in the US.

    Just a lil heads up from a well wisher.
  197. @Aft

    racialist theories circulated in the press, advancing pseudo scientific theories which perpetuated that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to northern Europeans. Drawings and songs had caricatured the Italians as childlike, criminal, and subhuman. “If immigration was properly restricted, you would never be troubled with anarchism, socialism, the Mafia and such kindred evils!” was one such message from a political cartoon (1891).
     
    https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/europe-iq-hajnal-1200.png

    https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/GDP_capita_per_hour_2013.png

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0eS-9v_Abo

    https://i.imgur.com/iwhzPq2_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

    So you procured visuals and video, now how about offering the requisite context and in-depth analysis.

    Does not the white community need to be united at this critical juncture in world history? Why are you seeming sowing disharmony or in “hood” talk “throwing shade”, at your fellow white brethren?

  198. @XYZ (no Mr.)
    Discussing immigration, and its potential and very real negative effects if not managed properly, as is being done here, is not Alt Right at all. It's the normal function and right of citizens in their native land.

    “It’s the normal function and right of citizens in their native land.”

    Except Europeans are not native to North or South America.

  199. The forces of the invasion are pushing to disperse their shock troops from the urban areas, but they aren’t doing it fast enough.

  200. @peterike
    Indians and Chinese are lose-lose for America. Both are parasitical classes whose downside is a hundred times whatever upside they might bring. It's very sad how Trump is going full retard on the "moar skilled immigrantz!" If I had to choose between a million Asians and a million Mexicans, I'd take the Mexicans.

    Of course, a sane nation would take neither.

    Having been driven out of tech due to choking toxicity and ethnocentrism on display by this most model minority, I couldn’t agree more

    The fun will start when more and more non Hindu and non white (this is the important part) start agitating against the Hindus (like the recent case of a Korean American grad student at Intel).

    To all whites who now dare to enter the world of tech and are no genius, you better watch out and be on your toes. Better yet, if you perchance happen to have an Italian (southern Italian would be great) on your team, band up with him. They know how to navigate the corrupt much better.

    Those of you in other industries, beware of the subcons especially the smooth talking high caste Hindus. These are very sneaky folks. They aim to displace you with their own and are very clannish cliquish and would leave no stone unturned in their quest to decimate the industry for non Indians ( like they did with tech). Don’t let them get a foothold into your company

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Agreed, you have to be very careful.

    Like the Muslim subcon (at a very white company) who "only" hires non-white student intern workers. Of course, 90% of white people are totally blind and ignorant about this.

    For some reason, despite being of NW Euro descent, I am far more clannish than most. I am basically like the Deep South whites. I dunno, maybe it's the English + Celt DNA? No Scots-Irish in me, though.

    Anyways, my bullshit meter has always been good. I can tell right away when a subcon is a bullshitter - and they know I know. Some of them are nice, some of them are real arrogant assholes.

    I say play it safe and don't let a single one in.
  201. @Twinkie

    Rooftop Chinaman
     
    No such thing. Rooftop Koreans, yes.

    https://i.redd.it/oz77jan81gv21.png

    https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/roof-koreans

    Your seem Korean by ethnicity. Koreans assimilate much better than those dotheads and don’t have an air of fake superiority about them. Not as materialist either (the crass materialism and the love of money that I have in these most ‘most spiritual’ and vegan Hindus was no less than those wall street (((shyster))) types). With much better looking women to boot 😀

    Nonetheless some second generation Koreans are starting to ride the sjw bandwagon which is sad.

    Ever since I’ve moved from tech to tech sales, I’ve been traveling a lot to Asia (both fancy and jungle) and I see a lot of these sneaky ones in Korea and Malaysia. If your folks back home tone their guard down even for a bit, you can expect these dot heads to decimate your tech and fill it up with their kind like in the US.

    Just a lil heads up from a well wisher.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Nonetheless some second generation Koreans are starting to ride the sjw bandwagon which is sad.
     
    I am aware, and I discussed this and related issues more than once in the past here.

    I also already, albeit briefly, discussed the issue of Indian tech worker migration to Korea (Korean IT companies welcome them) and the rising high unemployment rate of native Korean IT workers today. Corporations are the same everywhere these days. They sell their mothers to increase profits.
  202. @Twinkie

    posted chart which purported to show an “assimilation index” of different groups, almost all non-white.
     
    The chart has a title. It's an assimilation index of "the ten largest immigrant groups" to the United States as of 2011. Among those nine are from Asia or Latin America and one is from Canada.

    Since your chart didn’t specify if the “immigrant groups” were first generation or second or beyond
     
    By "immigrants," definitionally they are foreign-born. American-born are American citizens and are treated as such in surveys. But just to clarify, I wrote this above: "Also, readers should keep in mind that this only pertains to foreign-born immigrants, not their American-born progeny." If you actually read what I wrote, instead of jumping in to contradict me in a hurry, I might think you were not as inclined to "partly troll" as I phrased earlier.

    it’s certainly fair to compare them to American whites in general. Presumably, that’s what “assimilation” is measuring?
     
    "Fair" in whose mind? To the extent this is a public survey with an ostensibly neutral political/ideological orientation (though I think the Manhattan Institute leans right-ish on some issues), any assimilation is going to compare the foreign-born to the native-born in general, not just whites (and to the extent that the whites are still a majority of the native-born, that majority would be reflected).

    And as much as I have my own personal political preferences that lean heavily "white," this index measures assimilation by using economic, cultural, and civic proxies, rather than political or ideological. These days, frankly, that's more than we can hope for, and indeed the days of measuring assimilation might come to an end sooner rather than later as multiculturalism completely obliterates patriotism and nationalism (civic or otherwise) in the mainstream institutions.

    In any case, as you can see no group even comes close to 100 in the index (not even the Canadians who score 100 on economic and culture, but lag badly in civic), but there is a clear, bifurcated pattern, which was the main point of my posting it.

    If not, I don’t know why you posted it.
     
    I didn't post it for white nationalists and Net Nazis. So, point taken on why I am bothering to respond to you.

    Visual phenotype is factual... I mentioned “visual phenotype” in the on-topic context of “assimilation” because visually, white immigrants automatically assimilate
     
    Now you are being either obtuse or disingenuous. Assimilation, especially in this context, indicates changes in attitudes and behaviors to fit new norms in a different society into which the migrants moved. You can't alter phenotypes.* Of course, you can alter both genotypes and phenotypes in descendants, and that is measured through one of the proxies - intermarriage - and is reflected in the index.

    *Using your "logic" of phenotype similarity, of course, whites from other countries who haven't migrated to the U.S. are already 100% "assimilated" to American white norms, no matter all the alterable factors. So, hey, fellow Americans in Europe - I guess you want my guns!

    as the iSteve blog has repeatedly documented, a lot of anti-white resentment comes from many non-whites’ feelings of inferiority and ‘under-representation’ when it comes to looks
     
    "Documenting" notable, but individual cases aren't exactly statistically valid. There is much selection and confirmation biases and projection at work with such speculations.

    You earlier strongly implied, without data, that there would be “pretty divergent numbers” between “country origin(s)” of Asians. This is not true.

    All Asian-American subgroups averaged between 69%-89% for “stricter gun laws/control” with some trading places in the year-to-year rankings.
     
    I asserted that because various "subgroups" of Asians have, historically, diverged considerably on major political issues. Even the rather vague and highly generalized question (which commands a super majority consensus among the U.S. public) generated a difference of 20 percentage points in responses by these groups - that's a close to 30% difference in response, which I would say is highly divergent.

    As you conceded, that’s uniformly high compared to American whites: my salient rebuttal being that no Asian subgroups have “assimilated” on this fundamental American issue.
     
    Yes, I agree that Asian subgroups appear to have low levels of support for gun rights, but I think the odds are high that other immigrant groups - Hispanics and Europeans - also have low levels of support for gun rights. This is not a racial issue, internationally. It is, with few exceptions, an issue of American vs. non-American bifurcation (and unsurprisingly so, given that we are under 5% of the world population, but own 50% of guns in civilian hands in the world).

    The other thing to keep in mind is that, even within the United States, gun rights orientation is highly geographically-dependent. Urban dwellers are overwhelmingly more supportive of gun control than rural and even suburban residents. And since immigrants - Asian or otherwise - are highly concentrated in urban areas, their views are much more inline with their native-born neighbors, yes, including whites, in those areas than they are to the whites nationally (Mr. Sailer once wrote a long time ago, quite accurately, that Asians are typically more conservative than their neighbors but that they were concentrated in liberal urban and suburban areas and thus were less conservative than whites nationally - interestingly enough, that doesn't seem to apply to homosexuality).

    A more significantly accurate view of "assimilation" on this topic should compare apples-to-apples and look at immigrant and their U.S.-born counterpart views in comparison to general public or white views in the same geographical locations. I wish that kind of data were available, but they aren't yet as far as I know.

    Maybe your original chart is celebrating thug life hip-hop Hmongs? Ooof.
     
    That's just asinine trolling and you know it. If you were serious about this discussion, you'd have read the linked document and examined the proxies used and known what factors were measured.

    See the overall trend line, both here and abroad. Asian “fish in the sea” are pretty consistently Asian, whether here or in Asia.
     
    I don't quite know what this means. But if I were to guess, you seem to be implying that Asian views on cultural or political issues are similar in Asia and in the U.S. That's factually incorrect. There is wide divergence from region to region in Asia, and some significant differences even within the same ethnicity between Asia and the United States... which is not a big surprise. For example, Koreans in South Korea are only 25% Christian, but Koreans in the States are 70-80 Christian (with a large fraction of evangelicals). Religion being a pretty significant variable, their cultural and political views vary accordingly.

    you and a few Asians are the exception on 2A, not the rule.
     
    I can't speak for others, but, yes, I am unusual on "2A," and not just among Asians. 2A absolutism is a minority view among whites as well, especially among whites of my SES.

    As far as where I live, the ethno-racial demographic breakdown is roughly 80% white and 15% Asian. The Asian population fraction used to be overwhelmingly Vietnamese and Korean. Now it's roughly half Viet-Korean-Chinese and half Indian. The membership at the local gun range is probably inline with the population breakdown, maybe 80-85% white and 15-20% Asian, but the Asian fraction is almost entirely Korean and Viet with almost no Indian members.

    I'd imagine, given all that I've observed and read, Indians who live in San Francisco and Vietnamese who live in rural Texas have markedly different views on guns, but I'd really like to see actual data.

    By “immigrants,” definitionally they are foreign-born.

    There’s a common concept—and useful oxymoron—known as second-generation, third-generation etc. immigrants and “immigrant groups” (the phrase in the title of your assimilation chart): something readers of this blog are keenly interested in, for obvious reasons. You left it ambiguous in your initial unsourced post. I missed your belated clarification in your response to res—my bad for not catching that!

    any assimilation is going to compare the foreign-born to the native-born in general

    Rather useless index, then—many native born second-generation (and beyond) ‘immigrants’ haven’t assimilated in the first place.

    Also, this from your Manhattan Institute (M.I.) source:

    It is important to note that cultural assimilation is not a measure of a group’s conformity with any preconceived ideal. Changes in the customs and practices of the native-born can promote cultural assimilation just as easily as changes among the foreign-born.

    Again, many of the native-born in the US are progeny of immigrants, strictly defined. Not to mention American blacks (big disfunction!) are included in the native-born data. So the “assimilation” as measured by M.I. is suspect.

    You write:

    … this index measures assimilation by using economic, cultural, and civic proxies, rather than political or ideological. These days, frankly, that’s more than we can hope for …

    It’s not about “hope,” it’s about will, policy, and action (or lack thereof). The precursor to action is preparing the intellectual and motivational battlespace. Starting with “who is we, kemosabe”, and what do “we” want?

    Now you are being either obtuse or disingenuous. Assimilation, especially in this context, indicates changes in attitudes and behaviors to fit new norms in a different society into which the migrants moved.

    You may be too narrowly defining it from your personal journey. At the very least, “assimilate” (in a non-threatening sense—not talking about macrophage action) means to fit in. Assimilation in this sense can occur (to varying degrees of success) due to pre-existing similarities or through deliberate adaptation.

    Assimilation in a more threatening sense is something I call macrophage convergence. Such convergence (#31) can ‘run the table’ in one direction or the other (Manifest Destiny), or more evenly blend into a hybrid. Indeed, your source defines the success of “assimilation” as the convergence of immigrant and native groups as “indistinguishable.” This suggests that a broad hybridization/mongrelization of mores and genotypes can be considered successful assimilation according to the M.I. :

    When immigrants and natives are very similar, this algorithm will not perform much better than random guessing. When the two populations are distinct, the algorithm will have better success. The assimilation index is a measure of how successful this algorithm is, on average. The index returns a value of zero when immigrants and natives are perfectly distinct from one another. It returns a value of 100 when the two groups are indistinguishable.

    You write:

    Of course, you can alter both genotypes and phenotypes in descendants, and that is measured through one of the proxies – intermarriage – and is reflected in the index.

    Right, that’s assimilation in the more aggressive hybridization/mongrelization sense.

    Using your “logic” of phenotype similarity, of course, whites from other countries who haven’t migrated to the U.S. are already 100% “assimilated” to American white norms

    Wut? I made no claims about foreign whites beyond phenotype compatibility relating to ease of assimilation socially to native US whites (e.g. no racial identity resentment). However, one can easily look at the aggregate racial charts of American voters and see that whites (immigrants and descendants thereof) and Asians (immigrants and descendants thereof) are starkly divergent on the Second Amendment.

    Thus it stands to reason that contemporary white immigrants to the US could be naturally more pro-2A than the average of their stay-put countrymen, and do, or will, conform to contemporary white American patterns on this issue. Neither of us have any data on that, alas.

    “Documenting” notable, but individual cases aren’t exactly statistically valid.

    It’s never ending. A typical example in yesterday’s New York Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/opinion/chanel-miller-know-my-name.html

    In her memoir, Ms. Miller writes about how growing up Asian-American had made her feel “used to being unseen, to never being fully known. It did not feel possible that I could be the protagonist.” Asian-American women intersect with racism and sexism in ways that are shared by women of other races and also unique to us. It’s impossible to acknowledge the dehumanization of and violence against Asian women — including hypersexualization, exoticization and fetishization — without connecting it to a long history of American colonialism, imperialism and militarization in Asian countries.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    When the cops came to help the Chanel Miller after she (by her own admission) drank herself blind drunk they were so racist that they put her down in the police report as "white".

    Chanel is a Hapa who from certain angles looks Asian and from others looks European. And of course she has a European name.

    https://image.insider.com/5d8b86566f24eb0b8f6ac0e3?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp

    Its hard to dehumanize and hypersexualize and exoticize and fetishize someone as an Asian if you can't even tell they are Asian and mistake them for white. But Chanel took being put down as white as also being an insult - denying her Asianness blah, blah, blah. So whatever the cops did was going to be wrong.
    , @Twinkie

    Rather useless index, then
     
    That you don’t find it useful doesn’t make it useless. It’s a very good approximation of which large immigrant groups assimilate fastest - the result is a clear bifurcation, with Canadians, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Koreans, and Cubans on the top tier and Chinese, Indians, and the other Latin Americans on the bottom tier.

    You may be too narrowly defining it from your personal journey.
     
    You keep being an asshole and personalizing this, and projecting/presuming my internal thoughts and motives. Stop that now, if you are genuinely interested in having a discussion with me about this topic.

    I use “assimilation” exactly in the framework the study uses and is used in context of immigrants in common discussions.

    Again, many of the native-born in the US are progeny of immigrants, strictly defined. Not to mention American blacks (big disfunction!) are included in the native-born data. So the “assimilation” as measured by M.I. is suspect.
     
    “Many” is rather obfuscatory since a majority of the country is white and they are an even larger majority among the native-born.

    However, one can easily look at the aggregate racial charts of American voters and see that whites (immigrants and descendants thereof) and Asians (immigrants and descendants thereof) are starkly divergent on the Second Amendment.
     
    There is the issue of time frame and geographical differences you don’t address, which makes the comparison apples and oranges.

    A vast majority of Asians in America are foreign-born (75%) and their children. White immigrants are a tiny fraction of the overall white population and white “immigrant-descendants” are almost entirely multi-generation native-born.
  203. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    a direct assault on the tenets of the Alt Right
     
    Such commenters are actually Alt-Light in deference to their Chinese wives—not just for political reasons, but also because their wives can’t pronounce the R in Right.

    I suspect that the idea of “North-East Asians can’t distinguish ‘l’ from ‘r’” is mostly based on Koreans and Japanese. Chinese has an ‘l’ vs. ‘r’ distinction in syllable initial position. (Syllable-final ‘l’l is another matter entirely, and Chinese are notoriously bad at producing that. Koreans are fine with syllable-final ‘l’, and I don’t know as much about Japanese.)

    Anyway, in syllable-initial positions, native speakers of Mandarin Chinese can produce “r”, but if you listen carefully in a Chinese class, they alternate between an approximate and an fricative. In my rather limited experience, they typically cannot distinguish between these.

  204. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    By “immigrants,” definitionally they are foreign-born.
     
    There’s a common concept—and useful oxymoron—known as second-generation, third-generation etc. immigrants and “immigrant groups” (the phrase in the title of your assimilation chart): something readers of this blog are keenly interested in, for obvious reasons. You left it ambiguous in your initial unsourced post. I missed your belated clarification in your response to res—my bad for not catching that!

    any assimilation is going to compare the foreign-born to the native-born in general
     
    Rather useless index, then—many native born second-generation (and beyond) ‘immigrants’ haven’t assimilated in the first place.

    Also, this from your Manhattan Institute (M.I.) source:

    It is important to note that cultural assimilation is not a measure of a group’s conformity with any preconceived ideal. Changes in the customs and practices of the native-born can promote cultural assimilation just as easily as changes among the foreign-born.
     
    Again, many of the native-born in the US are progeny of immigrants, strictly defined. Not to mention American blacks (big disfunction!) are included in the native-born data. So the “assimilation” as measured by M.I. is suspect.

    You write:

    … this index measures assimilation by using economic, cultural, and civic proxies, rather than political or ideological. These days, frankly, that’s more than we can hope for …
     
    It’s not about “hope,” it’s about will, policy, and action (or lack thereof). The precursor to action is preparing the intellectual and motivational battlespace. Starting with “who is we, kemosabe”, and what do “we” want?

    Now you are being either obtuse or disingenuous. Assimilation, especially in this context, indicates changes in attitudes and behaviors to fit new norms in a different society into which the migrants moved.
     
    You may be too narrowly defining it from your personal journey. At the very least, “assimilate” (in a non-threatening sense—not talking about macrophage action) means to fit in. Assimilation in this sense can occur (to varying degrees of success) due to pre-existing similarities or through deliberate adaptation.

    Assimilation in a more threatening sense is something I call macrophage convergence. Such convergence (#31) can ‘run the table’ in one direction or the other (Manifest Destiny), or more evenly blend into a hybrid. Indeed, your source defines the success of “assimilation” as the convergence of immigrant and native groups as “indistinguishable.” This suggests that a broad hybridization/mongrelization of mores and genotypes can be considered successful assimilation according to the M.I. :

    When immigrants and natives are very similar, this algorithm will not perform much better than random guessing. When the two populations are distinct, the algorithm will have better success. The assimilation index is a measure of how successful this algorithm is, on average. The index returns a value of zero when immigrants and natives are perfectly distinct from one another. It returns a value of 100 when the two groups are indistinguishable.
     
    You write:

    Of course, you can alter both genotypes and phenotypes in descendants, and that is measured through one of the proxies – intermarriage – and is reflected in the index.
     
    Right, that’s assimilation in the more aggressive hybridization/mongrelization sense.

    Using your “logic” of phenotype similarity, of course, whites from other countries who haven’t migrated to the U.S. are already 100% “assimilated” to American white norms
     
    Wut? I made no claims about foreign whites beyond phenotype compatibility relating to ease of assimilation socially to native US whites (e.g. no racial identity resentment). However, one can easily look at the aggregate racial charts of American voters and see that whites (immigrants and descendants thereof) and Asians (immigrants and descendants thereof) are starkly divergent on the Second Amendment.

    Thus it stands to reason that contemporary white immigrants to the US could be naturally more pro-2A than the average of their stay-put countrymen, and do, or will, conform to contemporary white American patterns on this issue. Neither of us have any data on that, alas.

    “Documenting” notable, but individual cases aren’t exactly statistically valid.
     
    It’s never ending. A typical example in yesterday’s New York Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/opinion/chanel-miller-know-my-name.html

    In her memoir, Ms. Miller writes about how growing up Asian-American had made her feel “used to being unseen, to never being fully known. It did not feel possible that I could be the protagonist.” Asian-American women intersect with racism and sexism in ways that are shared by women of other races and also unique to us. It’s impossible to acknowledge the dehumanization of and violence against Asian women — including hypersexualization, exoticization and fetishization — without connecting it to a long history of American colonialism, imperialism and militarization in Asian countries.
     

    When the cops came to help the Chanel Miller after she (by her own admission) drank herself blind drunk they were so racist that they put her down in the police report as “white”.

    Chanel is a Hapa who from certain angles looks Asian and from others looks European. And of course she has a European name.

    https://image.insider.com/5d8b86566f24eb0b8f6ac0e3?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp

    Its hard to dehumanize and hypersexualize and exoticize and fetishize someone as an Asian if you can’t even tell they are Asian and mistake them for white. But Chanel took being put down as white as also being an insult – denying her Asianness blah, blah, blah. So whatever the cops did was going to be wrong.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    they were so racist that they put her down in the police report as “white”.
     
    I’m completely Asian and Asian-looking, but about 15 years ago, a white lady cop pulled me over for doing a rolling stop at a stop sign and issued a summons that listed me as “white.” To be fair, it was pretty dark that night and her flashlight wasn’t exactly bright.

    For a moment or two, I thought about disputing that ticket in court on the ground that the cop clearly had vision issues, but thought better of it and paid the fine.
  205. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    By “immigrants,” definitionally they are foreign-born.
     
    There’s a common concept—and useful oxymoron—known as second-generation, third-generation etc. immigrants and “immigrant groups” (the phrase in the title of your assimilation chart): something readers of this blog are keenly interested in, for obvious reasons. You left it ambiguous in your initial unsourced post. I missed your belated clarification in your response to res—my bad for not catching that!

    any assimilation is going to compare the foreign-born to the native-born in general
     
    Rather useless index, then—many native born second-generation (and beyond) ‘immigrants’ haven’t assimilated in the first place.

    Also, this from your Manhattan Institute (M.I.) source:

    It is important to note that cultural assimilation is not a measure of a group’s conformity with any preconceived ideal. Changes in the customs and practices of the native-born can promote cultural assimilation just as easily as changes among the foreign-born.
     
    Again, many of the native-born in the US are progeny of immigrants, strictly defined. Not to mention American blacks (big disfunction!) are included in the native-born data. So the “assimilation” as measured by M.I. is suspect.

    You write:

    … this index measures assimilation by using economic, cultural, and civic proxies, rather than political or ideological. These days, frankly, that’s more than we can hope for …
     
    It’s not about “hope,” it’s about will, policy, and action (or lack thereof). The precursor to action is preparing the intellectual and motivational battlespace. Starting with “who is we, kemosabe”, and what do “we” want?

    Now you are being either obtuse or disingenuous. Assimilation, especially in this context, indicates changes in attitudes and behaviors to fit new norms in a different society into which the migrants moved.
     
    You may be too narrowly defining it from your personal journey. At the very least, “assimilate” (in a non-threatening sense—not talking about macrophage action) means to fit in. Assimilation in this sense can occur (to varying degrees of success) due to pre-existing similarities or through deliberate adaptation.

    Assimilation in a more threatening sense is something I call macrophage convergence. Such convergence (#31) can ‘run the table’ in one direction or the other (Manifest Destiny), or more evenly blend into a hybrid. Indeed, your source defines the success of “assimilation” as the convergence of immigrant and native groups as “indistinguishable.” This suggests that a broad hybridization/mongrelization of mores and genotypes can be considered successful assimilation according to the M.I. :

    When immigrants and natives are very similar, this algorithm will not perform much better than random guessing. When the two populations are distinct, the algorithm will have better success. The assimilation index is a measure of how successful this algorithm is, on average. The index returns a value of zero when immigrants and natives are perfectly distinct from one another. It returns a value of 100 when the two groups are indistinguishable.
     
    You write:

    Of course, you can alter both genotypes and phenotypes in descendants, and that is measured through one of the proxies – intermarriage – and is reflected in the index.
     
    Right, that’s assimilation in the more aggressive hybridization/mongrelization sense.

    Using your “logic” of phenotype similarity, of course, whites from other countries who haven’t migrated to the U.S. are already 100% “assimilated” to American white norms
     
    Wut? I made no claims about foreign whites beyond phenotype compatibility relating to ease of assimilation socially to native US whites (e.g. no racial identity resentment). However, one can easily look at the aggregate racial charts of American voters and see that whites (immigrants and descendants thereof) and Asians (immigrants and descendants thereof) are starkly divergent on the Second Amendment.

    Thus it stands to reason that contemporary white immigrants to the US could be naturally more pro-2A than the average of their stay-put countrymen, and do, or will, conform to contemporary white American patterns on this issue. Neither of us have any data on that, alas.

    “Documenting” notable, but individual cases aren’t exactly statistically valid.
     
    It’s never ending. A typical example in yesterday’s New York Times:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/opinion/chanel-miller-know-my-name.html

    In her memoir, Ms. Miller writes about how growing up Asian-American had made her feel “used to being unseen, to never being fully known. It did not feel possible that I could be the protagonist.” Asian-American women intersect with racism and sexism in ways that are shared by women of other races and also unique to us. It’s impossible to acknowledge the dehumanization of and violence against Asian women — including hypersexualization, exoticization and fetishization — without connecting it to a long history of American colonialism, imperialism and militarization in Asian countries.
     

    Rather useless index, then

    That you don’t find it useful doesn’t make it useless. It’s a very good approximation of which large immigrant groups assimilate fastest – the result is a clear bifurcation, with Canadians, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Koreans, and Cubans on the top tier and Chinese, Indians, and the other Latin Americans on the bottom tier.

    You may be too narrowly defining it from your personal journey.

    You keep being an asshole and personalizing this, and projecting/presuming my internal thoughts and motives. Stop that now, if you are genuinely interested in having a discussion with me about this topic.

    I use “assimilation” exactly in the framework the study uses and is used in context of immigrants in common discussions.

    Again, many of the native-born in the US are progeny of immigrants, strictly defined. Not to mention American blacks (big disfunction!) are included in the native-born data. So the “assimilation” as measured by M.I. is suspect.

    “Many” is rather obfuscatory since a majority of the country is white and they are an even larger majority among the native-born.

    However, one can easily look at the aggregate racial charts of American voters and see that whites (immigrants and descendants thereof) and Asians (immigrants and descendants thereof) are starkly divergent on the Second Amendment.

    There is the issue of time frame and geographical differences you don’t address, which makes the comparison apples and oranges.

    A vast majority of Asians in America are foreign-born (75%) and their children. White immigrants are a tiny fraction of the overall white population and white “immigrant-descendants” are almost entirely multi-generation native-born.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You keep being an asshole and personalizing this, and projecting/presuming my internal thoughts and motives. Stop that now …
     
    Relax, Twinkie. You yourself presume others’ thoughts and motives regularly—and it’s okay; crouching thoughts and internal motives surely inform and inspire all our comments here, including yours and mine.

    If an offered perception of your thoughts or motives is inaccurate or gratuitously off-topic, feel free to correct the assertion/inquiry.


    I use “assimilation” exactly in the framework the study uses …
     
    And now you know my objections to some of the study’s framework.

    … and is used in context of immigrants in common discussions.
     
    I should think you come here for uncommon discussions, especially when it comes to lengthy exchanges like ours. Mere common discussions often omit important points.

    There is the issue of time frame and geographical differences you don’t address, which makes the comparison apples and oranges.
     
    If you have the data, please post. So far you’ve shown me nothing that contradicts the charts I found, nor that suggests that a longer time frame will change Asian-American voters’ views—whether in aggregate or in respect to discrete national origin.
  206. @Jack D
    When the cops came to help the Chanel Miller after she (by her own admission) drank herself blind drunk they were so racist that they put her down in the police report as "white".

    Chanel is a Hapa who from certain angles looks Asian and from others looks European. And of course she has a European name.

    https://image.insider.com/5d8b86566f24eb0b8f6ac0e3?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp

    Its hard to dehumanize and hypersexualize and exoticize and fetishize someone as an Asian if you can't even tell they are Asian and mistake them for white. But Chanel took being put down as white as also being an insult - denying her Asianness blah, blah, blah. So whatever the cops did was going to be wrong.

    they were so racist that they put her down in the police report as “white”.

    I’m completely Asian and Asian-looking, but about 15 years ago, a white lady cop pulled me over for doing a rolling stop at a stop sign and issued a summons that listed me as “white.” To be fair, it was pretty dark that night and her flashlight wasn’t exactly bright.

    For a moment or two, I thought about disputing that ticket in court on the ground that the cop clearly had vision issues, but thought better of it and paid the fine.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I don't believe you. If the cop really thought you were white then your white privilege would have protected you from getting a ticket. Good thing though that she didn't mistake you for black because then she would have shot you.
    , @William Badwhite
    Maybe they thought you were black and the ticket was for Driving While Black. The cop wrote down "white" to cover up the institutional racism.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    No, the cop wrote you up as white to keep the minority crime percentages down.

    Don't believe me? Google Texas most wanted. Almost all are "white (hispanic)" and I will bet you dollars to donuts that the FBI has them all down as white. If not, the percentage of crimes committed by black would be up 5% to 10%.
  207. @PorkTastic
    Your seem Korean by ethnicity. Koreans assimilate much better than those dotheads and don't have an air of fake superiority about them. Not as materialist either (the crass materialism and the love of money that I have in these most 'most spiritual' and vegan Hindus was no less than those wall street (((shyster))) types). With much better looking women to boot 😀

    Nonetheless some second generation Koreans are starting to ride the sjw bandwagon which is sad.

    Ever since I've moved from tech to tech sales, I've been traveling a lot to Asia (both fancy and jungle) and I see a lot of these sneaky ones in Korea and Malaysia. If your folks back home tone their guard down even for a bit, you can expect these dot heads to decimate your tech and fill it up with their kind like in the US.

    Just a lil heads up from a well wisher.

    Nonetheless some second generation Koreans are starting to ride the sjw bandwagon which is sad.

    I am aware, and I discussed this and related issues more than once in the past here.

    I also already, albeit briefly, discussed the issue of Indian tech worker migration to Korea (Korean IT companies welcome them) and the rising high unemployment rate of native Korean IT workers today. Corporations are the same everywhere these days. They sell their mothers to increase profits.

  208. @Twinkie

    they were so racist that they put her down in the police report as “white”.
     
    I’m completely Asian and Asian-looking, but about 15 years ago, a white lady cop pulled me over for doing a rolling stop at a stop sign and issued a summons that listed me as “white.” To be fair, it was pretty dark that night and her flashlight wasn’t exactly bright.

    For a moment or two, I thought about disputing that ticket in court on the ground that the cop clearly had vision issues, but thought better of it and paid the fine.

    I don’t believe you. If the cop really thought you were white then your white privilege would have protected you from getting a ticket. Good thing though that she didn’t mistake you for black because then she would have shot you.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  209. Someone here asked once if whites have it out more for Chinese or Indians. Chinese are seen by whites as actors. They are infiltrating and subverting America. They steal our technology and sell it back to us. They have a will to power. On some level, whites respect that. Indians are just being used as scabs to break wages. They have no real agency. Somehow, that breeds contempt. Whites don’t fear or hate Indians. They are seen as interlopers and not terribly important. Whites would be giving a lot of attention to dealing with the Chinese now even without Chinese immigration to the West.

  210. @PorkTastic
    Having been driven out of tech due to choking toxicity and ethnocentrism on display by this most model minority, I couldn't agree more

    The fun will start when more and more non Hindu and non white (this is the important part) start agitating against the Hindus (like the recent case of a Korean American grad student at Intel).

    To all whites who now dare to enter the world of tech and are no genius, you better watch out and be on your toes. Better yet, if you perchance happen to have an Italian (southern Italian would be great) on your team, band up with him. They know how to navigate the corrupt much better.

    Those of you in other industries, beware of the subcons especially the smooth talking high caste Hindus. These are very sneaky folks. They aim to displace you with their own and are very clannish cliquish and would leave no stone unturned in their quest to decimate the industry for non Indians ( like they did with tech). Don't let them get a foothold into your company

    Agreed, you have to be very careful.

    Like the Muslim subcon (at a very white company) who “only” hires non-white student intern workers. Of course, 90% of white people are totally blind and ignorant about this.

    For some reason, despite being of NW Euro descent, I am far more clannish than most. I am basically like the Deep South whites. I dunno, maybe it’s the English + Celt DNA? No Scots-Irish in me, though.

    Anyways, my bullshit meter has always been good. I can tell right away when a subcon is a bullshitter – and they know I know. Some of them are nice, some of them are real arrogant assholes.

    I say play it safe and don’t let a single one in.

    • Replies: @PorkTastic
    You are a rarity. Most NW European types are usually very fuzzy on this. Their definition of "based" is unflinching support for Israeli nationalism while embracing "skilled immigration". Aka standard issue "conservative"

    I'm ethnically outside the so called "hajnal" line hence I'm supposedly not much prone to such weird fuzziness. However our "folks" have always been portrayed as the gangster types or smooth talking mafiosos in the (((media))). Hence they don't have the kind of cultural impact the cucked Anglo Saxons have in the US and Canada, whether (((liberal))) or (((cuckservative)))
  211. @Twinkie

    Rather useless index, then
     
    That you don’t find it useful doesn’t make it useless. It’s a very good approximation of which large immigrant groups assimilate fastest - the result is a clear bifurcation, with Canadians, Filipinos, Vietnamese, Koreans, and Cubans on the top tier and Chinese, Indians, and the other Latin Americans on the bottom tier.

    You may be too narrowly defining it from your personal journey.
     
    You keep being an asshole and personalizing this, and projecting/presuming my internal thoughts and motives. Stop that now, if you are genuinely interested in having a discussion with me about this topic.

    I use “assimilation” exactly in the framework the study uses and is used in context of immigrants in common discussions.

    Again, many of the native-born in the US are progeny of immigrants, strictly defined. Not to mention American blacks (big disfunction!) are included in the native-born data. So the “assimilation” as measured by M.I. is suspect.
     
    “Many” is rather obfuscatory since a majority of the country is white and they are an even larger majority among the native-born.

    However, one can easily look at the aggregate racial charts of American voters and see that whites (immigrants and descendants thereof) and Asians (immigrants and descendants thereof) are starkly divergent on the Second Amendment.
     
    There is the issue of time frame and geographical differences you don’t address, which makes the comparison apples and oranges.

    A vast majority of Asians in America are foreign-born (75%) and their children. White immigrants are a tiny fraction of the overall white population and white “immigrant-descendants” are almost entirely multi-generation native-born.

    You keep being an asshole and personalizing this, and projecting/presuming my internal thoughts and motives. Stop that now …

    Relax, Twinkie. You yourself presume others’ thoughts and motives regularly—and it’s okay; crouching thoughts and internal motives surely inform and inspire all our comments here, including yours and mine.

    If an offered perception of your thoughts or motives is inaccurate or gratuitously off-topic, feel free to correct the assertion/inquiry.

    I use “assimilation” exactly in the framework the study uses …

    And now you know my objections to some of the study’s framework.

    … and is used in context of immigrants in common discussions.

    I should think you come here for uncommon discussions, especially when it comes to lengthy exchanges like ours. Mere common discussions often omit important points.

    There is the issue of time frame and geographical differences you don’t address, which makes the comparison apples and oranges.

    If you have the data, please post. So far you’ve shown me nothing that contradicts the charts I found, nor that suggests that a longer time frame will change Asian-American voters’ views—whether in aggregate or in respect to discrete national origin.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    internal motives surely inform and inspire all our comments here, including yours and mine.
     
    Speak for yourself and don’t project. I hold objective truth in high regard and have the self-awareness to know it is at times in variance from my preferences and desires.

    So far you’ve shown me nothing that contradicts the charts I found
     
    White support for gun control outside the U.S., which you elided. You also simply ignored the rural/urban division that is highly salient to the particular topic of gun rights/control support.

    I thought you were intelligent enough to understand the necessity of isolating variables in any demographic comparisons. Or was I wrong?
  212. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You keep being an asshole and personalizing this, and projecting/presuming my internal thoughts and motives. Stop that now …
     
    Relax, Twinkie. You yourself presume others’ thoughts and motives regularly—and it’s okay; crouching thoughts and internal motives surely inform and inspire all our comments here, including yours and mine.

    If an offered perception of your thoughts or motives is inaccurate or gratuitously off-topic, feel free to correct the assertion/inquiry.


    I use “assimilation” exactly in the framework the study uses …
     
    And now you know my objections to some of the study’s framework.

    … and is used in context of immigrants in common discussions.
     
    I should think you come here for uncommon discussions, especially when it comes to lengthy exchanges like ours. Mere common discussions often omit important points.

    There is the issue of time frame and geographical differences you don’t address, which makes the comparison apples and oranges.
     
    If you have the data, please post. So far you’ve shown me nothing that contradicts the charts I found, nor that suggests that a longer time frame will change Asian-American voters’ views—whether in aggregate or in respect to discrete national origin.

    internal motives surely inform and inspire all our comments here, including yours and mine.

    Speak for yourself and don’t project. I hold objective truth in high regard and have the self-awareness to know it is at times in variance from my preferences and desires.

    So far you’ve shown me nothing that contradicts the charts I found

    White support for gun control outside the U.S., which you elided. You also simply ignored the rural/urban division that is highly salient to the particular topic of gun rights/control support.

    I thought you were intelligent enough to understand the necessity of isolating variables in any demographic comparisons. Or was I wrong?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Most Asian-Americans live in diverse cities and have diverse neighbors who, shall we say, color their views on these matters. Shoot*, Republicans in metro NY and LA are more sympathetic to gun controls than are Democrats out in the wild. Say, Frank Church vs Henry Hyde, i.e., lily-white Idaho vs near the South Side. Bernie vs Rudy.

    Breaking down gross racial groupings by ethnicity and birthplace is fine, but you have to take yet another step-- just whose guns are you aiming to control? Do you trust your ethnic group? This other one? That other one?

    I'd like to see that question added to these surveys!


    *no pun intended
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I hold objective truth in high regard
     
    You may indeed, but you sometimes succumb to the temptation to spew unconvincing chaff when lit up on radar.

    White support for gun control outside the U.S., which you elided.
     
    Because it’s mostly irrelevant compared to that of US whites.

    There may be relevance comparing gun liberties in white countries vs. Asian countries—I’m pretty sure that aggregate national gun laws are far stricter in East and South Asia than in Europe, for example—but what ultimately matters is support for gun control among current immigrants to the US and their progeny vis-a-vis white natives—the only domestic race to be majority pro gun rights.

    White immigrants to the US may or may not be self-selecting in a pro-2A manner, but since we don’t have the data, the inquiry is for now moot.


    You also simply ignored the rural/urban division that is highly salient to the particular topic of gun rights/control support.
     
    How many Asian-American voters are city dwellers and immigrants (strictly defined)? I’m thinking those voters (more established than off-the-boat arrivals) are proportionally skewed towards being native-born and more suburban relative to the mass of recent immigrants. Do you have the data on where Asian-American voters live? And their immigrant ‘generation’ status?

    I thought you were intelligent enough to understand the necessity of isolating variables in any demographic comparisons.
     
    I’m the only one who has done so on the specific issue at hand.

    Source the data, show the stats! Less chaff.

  213. @TheMediumIsTheMassage
    It's 100% an age thing. Young people don't give a damn. Only old farts still get a coronary over seeing two men holding hands in the street.

    It’s 100% an age thing. Young people don’t give a damn. Only old farts still get a coronary over seeing two men holding hands in the street.

    Those who care about race care about sex by default, because race is the result of sex. Marriage tames sex, and is the primary prerequisite for civilization, which men will refuse to build for children who may not be theirs.

    It’s hard to think of a serious racialist before 1960, or 1990 for that matter, who wouldn’t have been horrified at “seeing two men holding hands in the street”, and written off their whole society as irredeemably corrupt and headed for the dustbin. Or at least looney bin.

    The only congressional district in which I’ve seen men kiss in the street was represented by Martin Sabo. Martin Olav Sabo– is that Nordic enough for you?

    Then it went to Keith Ellison and now to Ilhan Omar.

    The two phenomena are closely connected.

  214. @Twinkie

    internal motives surely inform and inspire all our comments here, including yours and mine.
     
    Speak for yourself and don’t project. I hold objective truth in high regard and have the self-awareness to know it is at times in variance from my preferences and desires.

    So far you’ve shown me nothing that contradicts the charts I found
     
    White support for gun control outside the U.S., which you elided. You also simply ignored the rural/urban division that is highly salient to the particular topic of gun rights/control support.

    I thought you were intelligent enough to understand the necessity of isolating variables in any demographic comparisons. Or was I wrong?

    Most Asian-Americans live in diverse cities and have diverse neighbors who, shall we say, color their views on these matters. Shoot*, Republicans in metro NY and LA are more sympathetic to gun controls than are Democrats out in the wild. Say, Frank Church vs Henry Hyde, i.e., lily-white Idaho vs near the South Side. Bernie vs Rudy.

    Breaking down gross racial groupings by ethnicity and birthplace is fine, but you have to take yet another step– just whose guns are you aiming to control? Do you trust your ethnic group? This other one? That other one?

    I’d like to see that question added to these surveys!

    *no pun intended

    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Well done - that was both witty and substantive!
  215. @Reg Cæsar
    Most Asian-Americans live in diverse cities and have diverse neighbors who, shall we say, color their views on these matters. Shoot*, Republicans in metro NY and LA are more sympathetic to gun controls than are Democrats out in the wild. Say, Frank Church vs Henry Hyde, i.e., lily-white Idaho vs near the South Side. Bernie vs Rudy.

    Breaking down gross racial groupings by ethnicity and birthplace is fine, but you have to take yet another step-- just whose guns are you aiming to control? Do you trust your ethnic group? This other one? That other one?

    I'd like to see that question added to these surveys!


    *no pun intended

    Well done – that was both witty and substantive!

  216. @Twinkie

    internal motives surely inform and inspire all our comments here, including yours and mine.
     
    Speak for yourself and don’t project. I hold objective truth in high regard and have the self-awareness to know it is at times in variance from my preferences and desires.

    So far you’ve shown me nothing that contradicts the charts I found
     
    White support for gun control outside the U.S., which you elided. You also simply ignored the rural/urban division that is highly salient to the particular topic of gun rights/control support.

    I thought you were intelligent enough to understand the necessity of isolating variables in any demographic comparisons. Or was I wrong?

    I hold objective truth in high regard

    You may indeed, but you sometimes succumb to the temptation to spew unconvincing chaff when lit up on radar.

    White support for gun control outside the U.S., which you elided.

    Because it’s mostly irrelevant compared to that of US whites.

    There may be relevance comparing gun liberties in white countries vs. Asian countries—I’m pretty sure that aggregate national gun laws are far stricter in East and South Asia than in Europe, for example—but what ultimately matters is support for gun control among current immigrants to the US and their progeny vis-a-vis white natives—the only domestic race to be majority pro gun rights.

    White immigrants to the US may or may not be self-selecting in a pro-2A manner, but since we don’t have the data, the inquiry is for now moot.

    You also simply ignored the rural/urban division that is highly salient to the particular topic of gun rights/control support.

    How many Asian-American voters are city dwellers and immigrants (strictly defined)? I’m thinking those voters (more established than off-the-boat arrivals) are proportionally skewed towards being native-born and more suburban relative to the mass of recent immigrants. Do you have the data on where Asian-American voters live? And their immigrant ‘generation’ status?

    I thought you were intelligent enough to understand the necessity of isolating variables in any demographic comparisons.

    I’m the only one who has done so on the specific issue at hand.

    Source the data, show the stats! Less chaff.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Because it’s mostly irrelevant compared to that of US whites.
     
    It’s not irrelevant when comparing present cohorts of immigrants, including white immigrants, considering these attitudes of supporting gun control manifest in the source (white) countries. That’s one of the reasons, like you, I oppose mass immigration. Leftist European immigrants don’t help the rightist cause here just because they are white.

    White immigrants to the US may or may not be self-selecting in a pro-2A manner, but since we don’t have the data, the inquiry is for now moot.
     
    You are basically saying that since we don’t have apples-to-apples data, we should believe your apples-to-oranges data. You know it doesn’t work like that.

    I’m thinking those voters (more established than off-the-boat arrivals) are proportionally skewed towards being native-born and more suburban relative to the mass of recent immigrants.
     
    That is likely. Nonetheless, compared to whites, Asians are still overwhelmingly concentrated in higher density areas and coastal regions, where the dominant ideology is pro-gun control among all races, including whites.

    One caveat to all this, of course, is that these survey results are stated preferences, not revealed ones. People had little clue about “Rooftop Koreans” and didn’t know Koreans (or at least a subset of them) were such enthusiastic gun-totters until there was a massive black-Hispanic riot.

    Do you think that Indians would turn out in such force and engage in gun battles with black gangs and Hispanic looters?

  217. Anonymous[160] • Disclaimer says:

    The New York Sullivan Law was designed so the Irish could put Italians in jail when they felt like it. Especially Italian velocipedists. Everyone who rode a bicycle was packing because rabid dogs. They even sold a special revolver called the Velo Dog in bicycle shops.

    When the Italians took over they kept the law to conveniently jail blacks. By then cars had replaced bicycles largely. Cocaine crazed blacks wielding .32 revolvers were admittedly more threatening than Luigi with his Velo Dog.

  218. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I hold objective truth in high regard
     
    You may indeed, but you sometimes succumb to the temptation to spew unconvincing chaff when lit up on radar.

    White support for gun control outside the U.S., which you elided.
     
    Because it’s mostly irrelevant compared to that of US whites.

    There may be relevance comparing gun liberties in white countries vs. Asian countries—I’m pretty sure that aggregate national gun laws are far stricter in East and South Asia than in Europe, for example—but what ultimately matters is support for gun control among current immigrants to the US and their progeny vis-a-vis white natives—the only domestic race to be majority pro gun rights.

    White immigrants to the US may or may not be self-selecting in a pro-2A manner, but since we don’t have the data, the inquiry is for now moot.


    You also simply ignored the rural/urban division that is highly salient to the particular topic of gun rights/control support.
     
    How many Asian-American voters are city dwellers and immigrants (strictly defined)? I’m thinking those voters (more established than off-the-boat arrivals) are proportionally skewed towards being native-born and more suburban relative to the mass of recent immigrants. Do you have the data on where Asian-American voters live? And their immigrant ‘generation’ status?

    I thought you were intelligent enough to understand the necessity of isolating variables in any demographic comparisons.
     
    I’m the only one who has done so on the specific issue at hand.

    Source the data, show the stats! Less chaff.

    Because it’s mostly irrelevant compared to that of US whites.

    It’s not irrelevant when comparing present cohorts of immigrants, including white immigrants, considering these attitudes of supporting gun control manifest in the source (white) countries. That’s one of the reasons, like you, I oppose mass immigration. Leftist European immigrants don’t help the rightist cause here just because they are white.

    White immigrants to the US may or may not be self-selecting in a pro-2A manner, but since we don’t have the data, the inquiry is for now moot.

    You are basically saying that since we don’t have apples-to-apples data, we should believe your apples-to-oranges data. You know it doesn’t work like that.

    I’m thinking those voters (more established than off-the-boat arrivals) are proportionally skewed towards being native-born and more suburban relative to the mass of recent immigrants.

    That is likely. Nonetheless, compared to whites, Asians are still overwhelmingly concentrated in higher density areas and coastal regions, where the dominant ideology is pro-gun control among all races, including whites.

    One caveat to all this, of course, is that these survey results are stated preferences, not revealed ones. People had little clue about “Rooftop Koreans” and didn’t know Koreans (or at least a subset of them) were such enthusiastic gun-totters until there was a massive black-Hispanic riot.

    Do you think that Indians would turn out in such force and engage in gun battles with black gangs and Hispanic looters?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Leftist European immigrants don’t help the rightist cause here just because they are white.
     
    Agreed. I don’t want leftists of any race coming here. Also, I want right-wing Europeans, Australians, etc. to stay in their home countries and fight leftists and anti-whites there.

    You are basically saying that since we don’t have apples-to-apples data, we should believe your apples-to-oranges data. You know it doesn’t work like that.
     
    No, I’m saying your continued speculation about “white immigrants from Europe” is a red herring in the context of data on voters in America as broken down by race.

    You brought up white foreigners, implying immigrants from those groups would track the same on guns as their countrymen on average, yet provided no data. Moot chaff.

    People had little clue about “Rooftop Koreans” and didn’t know Koreans (or at least a subset of them) were such enthusiastic gun-toters until there was a massive black-Hispanic riot.
     
    Their response was unequivocally great! Basically, a local ‘unorganized militia’ in action, covered by live television. Definitely a shining instance of assimilation to founding principles—or put another way—timeless principles that the Founders providentially recognized.

    Do you think that Indians would turn out in such force and engage in gun battles with black gangs and Hispanic looters?
     
    No. Well, maybe Sikhs would duke it out …
    , @Anon
    Do you think that Indians would turn out in such force and engage in gun battles with black gangs and Hispanic looters?

    I would guess not: https://www.google.com/search?q=indian+defends+store+with+gun

    https://www.google.com/search?q=korean+defends+store+with+gun

    "Indian defends store with gun" brings up an Indian defending his store with a sword (not quite the same thing) and some guy named Tan Ho (presumably not Indian) defending his store with a gun.

    Though there is this: https://www.guns.com/news/2013/03/15/sikh-files-lawsuit-against-california-assault-weapon-ban-violates-freedom-of-religion

    Sikhs are different, I guess.
  219. @Twinkie

    they were so racist that they put her down in the police report as “white”.
     
    I’m completely Asian and Asian-looking, but about 15 years ago, a white lady cop pulled me over for doing a rolling stop at a stop sign and issued a summons that listed me as “white.” To be fair, it was pretty dark that night and her flashlight wasn’t exactly bright.

    For a moment or two, I thought about disputing that ticket in court on the ground that the cop clearly had vision issues, but thought better of it and paid the fine.

    Maybe they thought you were black and the ticket was for Driving While Black. The cop wrote down “white” to cover up the institutional racism.

  220. @Twinkie

    Because it’s mostly irrelevant compared to that of US whites.
     
    It’s not irrelevant when comparing present cohorts of immigrants, including white immigrants, considering these attitudes of supporting gun control manifest in the source (white) countries. That’s one of the reasons, like you, I oppose mass immigration. Leftist European immigrants don’t help the rightist cause here just because they are white.

    White immigrants to the US may or may not be self-selecting in a pro-2A manner, but since we don’t have the data, the inquiry is for now moot.
     
    You are basically saying that since we don’t have apples-to-apples data, we should believe your apples-to-oranges data. You know it doesn’t work like that.

    I’m thinking those voters (more established than off-the-boat arrivals) are proportionally skewed towards being native-born and more suburban relative to the mass of recent immigrants.
     
    That is likely. Nonetheless, compared to whites, Asians are still overwhelmingly concentrated in higher density areas and coastal regions, where the dominant ideology is pro-gun control among all races, including whites.

    One caveat to all this, of course, is that these survey results are stated preferences, not revealed ones. People had little clue about “Rooftop Koreans” and didn’t know Koreans (or at least a subset of them) were such enthusiastic gun-totters until there was a massive black-Hispanic riot.

    Do you think that Indians would turn out in such force and engage in gun battles with black gangs and Hispanic looters?

    Leftist European immigrants don’t help the rightist cause here just because they are white.

    Agreed. I don’t want leftists of any race coming here. Also, I want right-wing Europeans, Australians, etc. to stay in their home countries and fight leftists and anti-whites there.

    You are basically saying that since we don’t have apples-to-apples data, we should believe your apples-to-oranges data. You know it doesn’t work like that.

    No, I’m saying your continued speculation about “white immigrants from Europe” is a red herring in the context of data on voters in America as broken down by race.

    You brought up white foreigners, implying immigrants from those groups would track the same on guns as their countrymen on average, yet provided no data. Moot chaff.

    People had little clue about “Rooftop Koreans” and didn’t know Koreans (or at least a subset of them) were such enthusiastic gun-toters until there was a massive black-Hispanic riot.

    Their response was unequivocally great! Basically, a local ‘unorganized militia’ in action, covered by live television. Definitely a shining instance of assimilation to founding principles—or put another way—timeless principles that the Founders providentially recognized.

    Do you think that Indians would turn out in such force and engage in gun battles with black gangs and Hispanic looters?

    No. Well, maybe Sikhs would duke it out …

  221. @Joseph Doaks
    Immigration was a good idea at one time, but times change. Why does nobody recognize this?

    The United States, far from needing more people, is overpopulated now and going bankrupt because of it.

    Democrats want more voters and Republicans want to serve their business donors who want cheap labor.

  222. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Because it’s mostly irrelevant compared to that of US whites.
     
    It’s not irrelevant when comparing present cohorts of immigrants, including white immigrants, considering these attitudes of supporting gun control manifest in the source (white) countries. That’s one of the reasons, like you, I oppose mass immigration. Leftist European immigrants don’t help the rightist cause here just because they are white.

    White immigrants to the US may or may not be self-selecting in a pro-2A manner, but since we don’t have the data, the inquiry is for now moot.
     
    You are basically saying that since we don’t have apples-to-apples data, we should believe your apples-to-oranges data. You know it doesn’t work like that.

    I’m thinking those voters (more established than off-the-boat arrivals) are proportionally skewed towards being native-born and more suburban relative to the mass of recent immigrants.
     
    That is likely. Nonetheless, compared to whites, Asians are still overwhelmingly concentrated in higher density areas and coastal regions, where the dominant ideology is pro-gun control among all races, including whites.

    One caveat to all this, of course, is that these survey results are stated preferences, not revealed ones. People had little clue about “Rooftop Koreans” and didn’t know Koreans (or at least a subset of them) were such enthusiastic gun-totters until there was a massive black-Hispanic riot.

    Do you think that Indians would turn out in such force and engage in gun battles with black gangs and Hispanic looters?

    Do you think that Indians would turn out in such force and engage in gun battles with black gangs and Hispanic looters?

    I would guess not: https://www.google.com/search?q=indian+defends+store+with+gun

    https://www.google.com/search?q=korean+defends+store+with+gun

    “Indian defends store with gun” brings up an Indian defending his store with a sword (not quite the same thing) and some guy named Tan Ho (presumably not Indian) defending his store with a gun.

    Though there is this: https://www.guns.com/news/2013/03/15/sikh-files-lawsuit-against-california-assault-weapon-ban-violates-freedom-of-religion

    Sikhs are different, I guess.

  223. @Twinkie

    they were so racist that they put her down in the police report as “white”.
     
    I’m completely Asian and Asian-looking, but about 15 years ago, a white lady cop pulled me over for doing a rolling stop at a stop sign and issued a summons that listed me as “white.” To be fair, it was pretty dark that night and her flashlight wasn’t exactly bright.

    For a moment or two, I thought about disputing that ticket in court on the ground that the cop clearly had vision issues, but thought better of it and paid the fine.

    No, the cop wrote you up as white to keep the minority crime percentages down.

    Don’t believe me? Google Texas most wanted. Almost all are “white (hispanic)” and I will bet you dollars to donuts that the FBI has them all down as white. If not, the percentage of crimes committed by black would be up 5% to 10%.

  224. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Agreed, you have to be very careful.

    Like the Muslim subcon (at a very white company) who "only" hires non-white student intern workers. Of course, 90% of white people are totally blind and ignorant about this.

    For some reason, despite being of NW Euro descent, I am far more clannish than most. I am basically like the Deep South whites. I dunno, maybe it's the English + Celt DNA? No Scots-Irish in me, though.

    Anyways, my bullshit meter has always been good. I can tell right away when a subcon is a bullshitter - and they know I know. Some of them are nice, some of them are real arrogant assholes.

    I say play it safe and don't let a single one in.

    You are a rarity. Most NW European types are usually very fuzzy on this. Their definition of “based” is unflinching support for Israeli nationalism while embracing “skilled immigration”. Aka standard issue “conservative”

    I’m ethnically outside the so called “hajnal” line hence I’m supposedly not much prone to such weird fuzziness. However our “folks” have always been portrayed as the gangster types or smooth talking mafiosos in the (((media))). Hence they don’t have the kind of cultural impact the cucked Anglo Saxons have in the US and Canada, whether (((liberal))) or (((cuckservative)))

  225. @DB Cooper
    The reality is that the Indians in the IT fields are not high skilled at all. They are bullshit artists protected by body shops like Infosys and TCS and they have caused tremendous damage to the US economy, both in terms of displacing skilled Americans developers and wreaking havoc in the many software they touched. Once their jig is up they moved on and prey on the next unsuspecting company. Here is a list of companies destroyed by Indian labors. This list was compiled years ago. I am sure it is much longer now.

    Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City - Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates - Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte - 2010 - this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell - call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Fannie Mae - Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP - Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can't compete with Apple's tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for 'Asian' talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas - which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    Medicare - Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines - A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America's VC $ down the drain.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo - Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi' watch.
    Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas - See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP - Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK's NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California - Cancelled Finacle project run by India's InfoSys in 2011.
    United - call center (closed in India)
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    Queensland Health Department Payroll scandal [IBM]?

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