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From the L.A. Times:

Alleged Chinese ‘maternity tourism’ operations raided in California

By VICTORIA KIM AND FRANK SHYONG

Asia Crime

Federal agents raided about 20 locations in three Southern California counties early Tuesday as part of an investigation targeting “birth tourism” schemes in which pregnant Chinese women travel to the United States on fraudulent visas so that their children will be born U.S. citizens.

Search warrants were served at the homes of people federal authorities suspect of running the operations as well as at apartment complexes in Irvine, Rancho Cucamonga, Rowland Heights and Walnut where pregnant women were allegedly being housed.

According to affidavits unsealed Tuesday, operators charged expectant Chinese mothers tens of thousands of dollars for services that guided the women through obtaining tourist visas, coached them on successfully making their way into the country and housed them for months as they awaited giving birth.

The raids represent a rare federal crackdown against a widespread practice of foreign nationals giving birth in the U.S.

Many agencies openly advertise services called “maternity hotels” or “birthing centers,” offering assistance in getting their newborns a U.S. passport and extolling the benefits that come with American citizenship, including public education and immigration benefits for parents. Taiwanese, Korean and Turkish mothers are also known to engage in birth tourism, which isn’t necessarily illegal.

Those behind the operations targeted in Tuesday’s raids, however, are suspected of engaging in visa fraud and conspiracy by helping women falsify records for their visa screening and coaching them to falsely claim that they are traveling to the U.S. as tourists, according to affidavits filed in support of the search warrants.

No arrests were expected Tuesday, but authorities said Homeland Security and Internal Revenue Service investigators would be seizing possible evidence and interviewing the mothers for potential criminal charges against scheme operators. …

In a few weeks, Wu said, she will have a daughter. With American citizenship, her daughter will have “very big, very happy” future, she said. …

… One affidavit quoted a law review article estimating that about 40,000 of 300,000 children born to foreign citizens in the U.S. each year were the product of birth tourism.

… In the Irvine case, an undercover agent posed as an expectant mother and contacted a representative of “You Win USA.” The agency helped her come up with a bogus Chinese employer, a false proof of income and a fake college diploma to bolster the appearance that she was likely to return to China after a brief visit, according to the affidavit. …

Agents also wrote that the scheme defrauded hospitals at which the women gave birth. Even though the mothers paid birth tourism operators between $15,000 and $50,000 for the service, they paid local hospitals nothing or a reduced sum for uninsured, low-income patients, according to the affidavit.

More than 400 women associated with the Irvine location have given birth at one Orange County hospital since 2013, agents wrote in the affidavit. One of the women paid $4,080 out of $28,845 in hospital bills when her bank account showed charges at Wynn Las Vegas and purchases made at Rolex and Louis Vuitton stores, the affidavit said.

For more news, follow @vicjkim and @frankshyong

 

Screenshot 2015-03-03 15.55.42Back in 2011 in VDARE.com, I had one of these Chinese birth tourism ads plugged into Google Translate to obtain its long list of financial advantages accruing from having a baby on American soil.

Of course, that was four years ago …

How can we expect the rising Chinese superpower to respect the United States of America when we’re such patsies? That’s an “immigration security” linkage between immigration policy and foreign policy that ought to be emphasized: us exhibiting simple self-respect would teach potential bad guys that we aren’t pathetic losers ripe for a fall who can be pushed around by the Chinese?

 
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  1. I agree with your argument, BUT:

    More Chinese citizens would do us a hell of a lot more good than getting people from other areas of the world — areas that shall remain nameless because everyone knows what they are. Don’t forget that half-SD bump in mean IQ you get with Han Chinese.

    • Replies: @Escher
    Is there an IQ race going on that America needs to win at any cost?
    , @White Guy In Japan
    It's not only IQ, though. Culture is also very important. Individualistic vs. collective, rule of law vs. law of rule. In small numbers, whites and Asians don't bump heads much but, in larger numbers, there would be a culture clash or conflict over resources.

    Asian nations seem to understand quite well. Pity the Western nations don't.

    10+ years firsthand experience speaking here.
    , @Truth
    "More Chinese citizens would do us a hell of a lot more good than getting people from other areas of the world — areas that shall remain nameless because everyone knows what they are. Don’t forget that half-SD bump in mean IQ you get with Han Chinese."

    Well, taken to it's logical conclusion, if more Chinese provided an advantage over the "local" population, Americans would be paying $15,000 to hole up and have babies in Beijing.
    , @eisermann
    Foreign born Border jumping Vdare's John Derbyshire (china,uk) and Peter Brinelow (canda, uk) both had anchor babies , whats the problem here? Not sure if jared taylor (Japan) swings that way.
  2. Under the present regime the feds stick us taxpayers with the bill for this federal investigation of birth tourism rackets – another cost burden that our Dear Rulers force us to bear.

    This whole schmear – birth tourism and its low-rent sibling: illegal aliens’ anchor babies – could go away tomorrow upon passage of a constitutional amendment declaring an end to birthright citizenship.

    While we wait for that amendment, don’t hold your breath.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    This whole schmear – birth tourism and its low-rent sibling: illegal aliens’ anchor babies – could go away tomorrow upon passage of a constitutional amendment declaring an end to birthright citizenship.
     
    A myth! A solid Supreme Court would do it in. I am mystified why no party has ever started the lawsuit process to get birthright citizenship aka anchor babies in front of the Supreme Court. The 14th Amendment was never meant for illegal aliens dropping babies here.
    Liberal Oregon turned down drivers licenses for illegals by 67-33% last November and the against side was vastly outspent. This is what Americans really think about illegal aliens
  3. Given that these pregnant women are “Americans in waiting”, to use the President’s phrase, and given the administration’s preference putting more Americans in waiting on a path to becoming American citizens, what explains the raid?

    • Replies: @27 year old
    Speculations (in order of likelyhood)

    1. A rival birth tourism company encouraged the raid
    2. They weren't paid up with the right people
    3. Somebody connected to their operation personally pissed off a fed
    4. The feds figured they have to raid somebody or they're going to lose their raiding budget, and they can't raid mexicans
    5. Political theater in either direction ("we're cracking down" or! "the racist government is breaking up families!11 #reformnow")
    6. Somebody in the feds is a boy scout and actually wanted to do the right thing

  4. They didn’t arrest the women, and in fact, they had paramedics there in case the stress of the raids made them go into labor. And they’re not sending them back to China; they will deliver here and the kids will be insta-citizens.

    So what was the point of the raid?

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    Optics
  5. HA says:

    “isn’t necessarily illegal”

    Those three words encapsulate so much of what is wrong with immigration in America. The slipshod Orwellian language, the fecklessness of the weaselly legislature and media. It has become a way of life.

    But in any case, I smell a new motto for the open borders advocates! And snakeheads, too — “don’t worry, my dear, we have assurances that this isn’t necessarily illegal.”

  6. Priss Factor [AKA "K. Arujo"] says:

    “Taiwanese, Korean and Turkish mothers are also known to engage in birth tourism, which isn’t necessarily illegal.”

    What does ‘not necessarily illegal’ mean? Is it or is it not?

    Or is it just ‘undocumented births’?

    But then, the births will have to be documented to be recognized for citizenship.

    My head hurts.

    Just end the damn thing. Birth citizenship was a bad idea from the start.

    But then, will there be a wombnesty?

  7. These sorts of stories make me inexpressibly sad. It’s just all so over and done with, and we handed our country away without a shot being fired.

  8. map says:

    What “not necessarily illegal” means:

    I got this from a commentor here:

    Furthermore, it is only conservatives that feel undocumented people in the US are “criminals”. As I said below, read 2012 judicial ruling Arizona vs United States. Republican Chief Justice Roberts (his court) and Republican Justice Kennedy wrote their ruling and went on to describe the broad discretion a President has in dealing with immigration issues; went on to describe that Immigration Law does not consider undocumented people “criminals” (conservatives do) unless they have violated a U.S. Penal Code and been convicted; the justices therefore do not consider them “criminal” or of as having committed a crime since undocumented people have been here long before the Colonists have been here, in great numbers, and contribute positively to this nation; in otherwords they are here illegally but are not criminals, just undocumented; the justices also described Immigration Law, on the books for over 70 years, does not say the Executive Branch “must deport” but that it “may deport”….and so on. Supreme Court ruling. Conservatives in Washington D.C. are playing dumb to Immigration Law and filling the boards with phony accusations. Congress must “renew” Immigration Law every 5 years, so it isn’t like they are unaware of the laws — this is all a smokescreen for conservatives who spread lies and misinformation in the hopes of winning the White House with their vast lies and misinformation–it is called brainwashing the stupid voters by the way.

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/030215-741519-illegal-immigrants-will-elect-democrats-under-obama-plan.htm?p=full

  9. Truly, we are a weak and pathetic people.

  10. @Auntie Analogue
    Under the present regime the feds stick us taxpayers with the bill for this federal investigation of birth tourism rackets - another cost burden that our Dear Rulers force us to bear.

    This whole schmear - birth tourism and its low-rent sibling: illegal aliens' anchor babies - could go away tomorrow upon passage of a constitutional amendment declaring an end to birthright citizenship.

    While we wait for that amendment, don't hold your breath.

    This whole schmear – birth tourism and its low-rent sibling: illegal aliens’ anchor babies – could go away tomorrow upon passage of a constitutional amendment declaring an end to birthright citizenship.

    A myth! A solid Supreme Court would do it in. I am mystified why no party has ever started the lawsuit process to get birthright citizenship aka anchor babies in front of the Supreme Court. The 14th Amendment was never meant for illegal aliens dropping babies here.
    Liberal Oregon turned down drivers licenses for illegals by 67-33% last November and the against side was vastly outspent. This is what Americans really think about illegal aliens

  11. This raid was an aberration. Some cabal of immigration officials is out of control.

    • Replies: @george
    Why the raid may have happened:

    They needed to show enforcement before the amnesty was funded by the R party.

    This specific operation was making a pest out of itself somehow, for example zoning problems. Or maybe

    This specific operation was not paying enough money to immigration attorneys and others possibly because they offered a cut rate service to less wealthy Chinese.

    "estimating that about 40,000 of 300,000 children born to foreign citizens in the U.S. each year are the product of birth tourism." 300k is a lot of babies, can anyone explain where that estimate came from? If the 300k was representative of the Bush-Obama regime, about 1% of US citizens will be tourism babies. I wonder if they will vote D or R.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-birth-tourism-schemes-raids-20150303-story.html#page=1

    At least in theory they should be able to go through citizenship records and begin to revoke fraudulent citizenship. For example first time passports for children that do not return to the US should be determinable. After that tracing their parents movements should also be possible. I wonder if the children have to declare their parents identity? Do the parents have social security numbers? My guess is an interested party could track most of the fraud.

    Birth tourism causes a nightmare for real American parents that have to take their child to the local passport office.

    "Unfortunately, applying for a first-time passport has become more stringent and complicated in recent years. No first-time passport applications are accepted by mail. As a parent or legal guardian, you must apply in person on your baby's behalf and you must bring your child with you when you apply."
  12. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @countenance
    They didn't arrest the women, and in fact, they had paramedics there in case the stress of the raids made them go into labor. And they're not sending them back to China; they will deliver here and the kids will be insta-citizens.

    So what was the point of the raid?

    Optics

  13. Guess what? The Chinese women are paying 50k to the birth tourism hotels and having the babies on medicaid through WIC.

    It’s worse than you think.

    For those who think we should import more Chinese, just consider how readily they cheat and steal from Americans. When they reach critical mass, they’ll abandon all pretenses and claim that it’s their “right” to do so.

    I like and admire Chinese people and culture, but anyone who thinks they won’t press an advantage out of some sense of common decency is a damned fool.

    • Replies: @colm
    The "Chinese Culture" you might like and admire died long time ago, maybe by the Mongols when the Black Death was raging in Europe.

    Even the Chinese do not like its 'culture'. That's why they are doing things like what was described in this article.
  14. @Borachio
    I agree with your argument, BUT:

    More Chinese citizens would do us a hell of a lot more good than getting people from other areas of the world -- areas that shall remain nameless because everyone knows what they are. Don't forget that half-SD bump in mean IQ you get with Han Chinese.

    Is there an IQ race going on that America needs to win at any cost?

    • Replies: @Borachio
    "Is there an IQ race going on that America needs to win at any cost?"

    I meant only that the Chinese glass is half-full. I'd much rather have Chinese than most of the immigrants we're getting. Chinese aren't exactly like us, but they're smart, civilized, and work hard. They'll contribute to our society instead of being a dead weight that the rest of us have to drag while enduring endless complaints about slavery and racism.

    Feminists have pretty much ruined intelligent American women, so if we're going to need babies from abroad, let's at least get smart babies.

    On the IQ question, see Fred Reed's column this week (reposted on this web site). It alludes to the progressive enstupidation of the the American populace.

  15. “We” are a weak people?

    I’m not the one thinking I’m going to win by quoting the more obscure philosopher and being snarky on twitter. There’s a large segment of people here who get off on proclaiming how doomed we are, but there’s also a segment that are ready to ride out the storm.

  16. Birth tourism would not be a problem without birthright citizenship. It was never intended by the 14th Amendment. Even if it were, if Leftists opposed it they’d gladly have the Constitution “live” and “grow” and emanate some penumbras away from it towards a more rational policy.

    Travel in 2015 is not like travel in 1868. Cars did not exist, and airplanes did not exist. It makes no sense to have birthright citizenship in an era when we get tens of millions of foreign visitors per year. Applied to, say, the right to bear arms, it would be the equivalent of allowing individuals to own nuclear weapons. We did not have to amend the Constitution to ban such.

    As for me, I’m done with having any faith in anything as ridiculous as a modern nation. I’ll no longer let the outcome of any political debate affect my happiness, because Americans (and most people from most countries) are too ignorant to govern themselves. That’s not to say I’m a universalist or a multiculturalist or whatever. It’s to say that America is now a nation mostly full of idiots, and far too large and diverse to be of any use as a nation. Count me now as a member of a wandering tribe. I plan to pick up citizenship in random countries as it suits me.

    I’m not a believer in the Bible, but as it says: “Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing…All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.”

    My idealism is dead. From now on when I need something from a politician, I’ll get it the old-fashioned way: via bribery and/or blackmail.

  17. I have been thinking about the immigration labelling problem since you proposed it a few days ago. You have gone with “immigration security.”

    I have been thinking more along the lines of a “national interest immigration policy,” in contrast to a “narrow interest immigration policy.” By the people, for the people and all that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I have been thinking about the immigration labelling problem since you proposed it a few days ago. You have gone with “immigration security.”

    I have been thinking more along the lines of a “national interest immigration policy,” in contrast to a “narrow interest immigration policy.” By the people, for the people and all that.


    "Immigration control."

    The New York Times opposes immigration control.
  18. each of those babies is eligible to be made owner of a fishing vessel that can then fish in USA waters.

  19. @Escher
    Is there an IQ race going on that America needs to win at any cost?

    “Is there an IQ race going on that America needs to win at any cost?”

    I meant only that the Chinese glass is half-full. I’d much rather have Chinese than most of the immigrants we’re getting. Chinese aren’t exactly like us, but they’re smart, civilized, and work hard. They’ll contribute to our society instead of being a dead weight that the rest of us have to drag while enduring endless complaints about slavery and racism.

    Feminists have pretty much ruined intelligent American women, so if we’re going to need babies from abroad, let’s at least get smart babies.

    On the IQ question, see Fred Reed’s column this week (reposted on this web site). It alludes to the progressive enstupidation of the the American populace.

    • Replies: @Gallo-Roman
    I meant only that the Chinese glass is half-full. I’d much rather have Chinese than most of the immigrants we’re getting.

    It's not as if we we're going to be given a choice between them.

    They’ll contribute to our society instead of being a dead weight that the rest of us have to drag...

    From the article:

    Agents wrote in affidavits that the schemes also defrauded the hospitals where the women gave birth. Even though the mothers paid birth tourism operators tens of thousands of dollars in fees, they paid local hospitals nothing or a reduced sum for uninsured, low-income patients, according to the affidavits.

    More than 400 women associated with the Irvine location have given birth at one Orange County hospital since 2013, agents wrote in the affidavit. One of the women paid $4,080 out of $28,845 in hospital bills when her bank account showed charges at Wynn Las Vegas and purchases at Rolex and Louis Vuitton stores, the affidavit said.
     
    Can't wait 'til the babies of these smart, civilized, hard-working individuals of such sterling character grow up, settle here and bring mom back over to "contribute" even more to our society by accessing our old people's social safety net programs.

    ... while enduring endless complaints about slavery and racism.

    Wouldn't count on it. Remarkable how some people can conjure up ethnic grievances to flog for fun and profit when given incentives to do so. Don't act all shocked when 20 years from now we have to listen to one of these anchor babies pissing and moaning about the Chinese Exclusion Act and demanding payback.

    On the IQ question, see Fred Reed’s column this week (reposted on this web site). It alludes to the progressive enstupidation of the the American populace.

    And you're presenting yourself as an example thereof, I see.
    , @colm
    Unlike Roundeyes, the Chinese only care about Chinese, no one else (not even Japanese and Vietnamese and anyone who could be plausibly said as looking similar to them).

    And they are not even kind to their own kind (pun intended). Why expect any kind of kindness from them?
  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buddwing
    I have been thinking about the immigration labelling problem since you proposed it a few days ago. You have gone with "immigration security."

    I have been thinking more along the lines of a "national interest immigration policy," in contrast to a "narrow interest immigration policy." By the people, for the people and all that.

    I have been thinking about the immigration labelling problem since you proposed it a few days ago. You have gone with “immigration security.”

    I have been thinking more along the lines of a “national interest immigration policy,” in contrast to a “narrow interest immigration policy.” By the people, for the people and all that.

    “Immigration control.”

    The New York Times opposes immigration control.

  21. @Borachio
    I agree with your argument, BUT:

    More Chinese citizens would do us a hell of a lot more good than getting people from other areas of the world -- areas that shall remain nameless because everyone knows what they are. Don't forget that half-SD bump in mean IQ you get with Han Chinese.

    It’s not only IQ, though. Culture is also very important. Individualistic vs. collective, rule of law vs. law of rule. In small numbers, whites and Asians don’t bump heads much but, in larger numbers, there would be a culture clash or conflict over resources.

    Asian nations seem to understand quite well. Pity the Western nations don’t.

    10+ years firsthand experience speaking here.

    • Replies: @Borachio
    "10+ years firsthand experience speaking here."

    I get it, really. Especially as applied to Japan, still more homogeneous than China, which is 90 percent Han but has lots of fractious minorities. I find much to admire in Japanese culture, but at some level, it seems like there are things about it that I will never understand because I'm a gaijin.

    The Japanese are not Europeans and they never will be, but they're smart and civilized enough to appreciate a lot of what we've created in the West. If we're going down in flames, as I'm pretty sure we are, then at least they are capable of carrying on a lot of the civilization we built.

    , @Anonymous

    It’s not only IQ, though. Culture is also very important. Individualistic vs. collective, rule of law vs. law of rule. In small numbers, whites and Asians don’t bump heads much but, in larger numbers, there would be a culture clash or conflict over resources.
     
    But as Twinkie has pointed out on a previous post, most East-Asian-Americans (at least the smart and accomplished ones) naturally assimilate to SWPL types (shop at Whole Foods, helicopter- not Tiger- parents, et al.).
  22. at least with the chinese, you are getting the rich and educated.

    OTOH, the birth tourism coming from south of the border, anybody (rich and poor) can do it with impunity. de facto reconquista.

  23. I had never heard of any Iranians coming to the U.S. specifically for the birth of a child – but apparently word has finally reached them about the advantages of doing so as a young couple have just arrived to prepare for the birth of a child. There is a saving grace. I have been told that they have brought a considerable sum to cover the cost of the physician and the hospital for their stay in the U.S. of a few months. No difficulty in finding a Persian-speaking ob/gyn on Long Island, of course.

  24. @Borachio
    I agree with your argument, BUT:

    More Chinese citizens would do us a hell of a lot more good than getting people from other areas of the world -- areas that shall remain nameless because everyone knows what they are. Don't forget that half-SD bump in mean IQ you get with Han Chinese.

    “More Chinese citizens would do us a hell of a lot more good than getting people from other areas of the world — areas that shall remain nameless because everyone knows what they are. Don’t forget that half-SD bump in mean IQ you get with Han Chinese.”

    Well, taken to it’s logical conclusion, if more Chinese provided an advantage over the “local” population, Americans would be paying $15,000 to hole up and have babies in Beijing.

  25. Ivy says:

    Back in the antediluvian 20th century, Mexican anchor babies often were popped out on the sidewalk in San Ysidro, or with more stamina, in Chula Vista. The beaming madre had waited across the border in TJ until her water broke, and then was escorted through the gate to ensure that a new Americano was born in El Norte.

    The Chinese have gone high concept, what with birthing hotels and Visa fraud. That .5 SD IQ increment comes with a lot of nasty side effects, as many ex-pats can attest. Don’t be too certain that you’re getting the right end of the curve.

  26. @White Guy In Japan
    It's not only IQ, though. Culture is also very important. Individualistic vs. collective, rule of law vs. law of rule. In small numbers, whites and Asians don't bump heads much but, in larger numbers, there would be a culture clash or conflict over resources.

    Asian nations seem to understand quite well. Pity the Western nations don't.

    10+ years firsthand experience speaking here.

    “10+ years firsthand experience speaking here.”

    I get it, really. Especially as applied to Japan, still more homogeneous than China, which is 90 percent Han but has lots of fractious minorities. I find much to admire in Japanese culture, but at some level, it seems like there are things about it that I will never understand because I’m a gaijin.

    The Japanese are not Europeans and they never will be, but they’re smart and civilized enough to appreciate a lot of what we’ve created in the West. If we’re going down in flames, as I’m pretty sure we are, then at least they are capable of carrying on a lot of the civilization we built.

  27. Low hanging fruit. So rather than do something re illegal immigration by interdicting at the border, or via workplace enforcement, they raid pregnant Chinese women. While at the same time amnestying millions of third world mestizos. Sounds like a plan.

  28. Well Steve, the predominant line of thought from the ‘clever’ people at the WSJ and The Economist, eagerly followed by politicians anxious to show that they too are ‘clever’, is to simply abolish any semblance of immigration control whatsoever.
    Compared to that, ‘Chinese birth tourism’ is a minor issue.

  29. @Borachio
    I agree with your argument, BUT:

    More Chinese citizens would do us a hell of a lot more good than getting people from other areas of the world -- areas that shall remain nameless because everyone knows what they are. Don't forget that half-SD bump in mean IQ you get with Han Chinese.

    Foreign born Border jumping Vdare’s John Derbyshire (china,uk) and Peter Brinelow (canda, uk) both had anchor babies , whats the problem here? Not sure if jared taylor (Japan) swings that way.

    • Replies: @AnAnon
    It is one of scale, America can easily tolerate a small amount of 1st world immigration. Mass 3rd world immigration not so much.
  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @White Guy In Japan
    It's not only IQ, though. Culture is also very important. Individualistic vs. collective, rule of law vs. law of rule. In small numbers, whites and Asians don't bump heads much but, in larger numbers, there would be a culture clash or conflict over resources.

    Asian nations seem to understand quite well. Pity the Western nations don't.

    10+ years firsthand experience speaking here.

    It’s not only IQ, though. Culture is also very important. Individualistic vs. collective, rule of law vs. law of rule. In small numbers, whites and Asians don’t bump heads much but, in larger numbers, there would be a culture clash or conflict over resources.

    But as Twinkie has pointed out on a previous post, most East-Asian-Americans (at least the smart and accomplished ones) naturally assimilate to SWPL types (shop at Whole Foods, helicopter- not Tiger- parents, et al.).

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    But as Twinkie has pointed out on a previous post, most East-Asian-Americans (at least the smart and accomplished ones) naturally assimilate to SWPL types (shop at Whole Foods, helicopter- not Tiger- parents, et al.).
     
    Not exactly.

    I have said numerous times that *in small numbers* East Asians assimilate well into the SWPL-dom or just the Anglo-American culture in general. In large numbers, however, they would replicate East Asian in America. That's certainly better than a lot of things to be sure, but I'd like to keep America, well, America, which is to say, a country that is *mostly* but not exclusively an Angl0 (or NW European)-American culture/people.

    BTW, SWPLs can be quite Tiger mom-ish. They are just Tiger mom-ish about different things than differential equations.
  31. @Dave Pinsen
    Given that these pregnant women are "Americans in waiting", to use the President's phrase, and given the administration's preference putting more Americans in waiting on a path to becoming American citizens, what explains the raid?

    Speculations (in order of likelyhood)

    1. A rival birth tourism company encouraged the raid
    2. They weren’t paid up with the right people
    3. Somebody connected to their operation personally pissed off a fed
    4. The feds figured they have to raid somebody or they’re going to lose their raiding budget, and they can’t raid mexicans
    5. Political theater in either direction (“we’re cracking down” or! “the racist government is breaking up families!11 #reformnow”)
    6. Somebody in the feds is a boy scout and actually wanted to do the right thing

  32. Note, of course, that they are cracking down … because the visas are fraudulent. Not because the practice is BS.

  33. I hate to comment 3 times unprompted, but this also reminds me of the fact that the wife of “El Chapo” Guzman, the head of the Sinoloa cartel, gave birth in an LA hospital, then left (without paying, duh) with her US citizen twin babies, and returned to mexico. This case is an obvious political winner, if you want to discuss ending birthright citizenship.

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/09/mexico-el-chapo-guzman-emma-coronel-twins-lancaster-antelope-valley.html

  34. @Mike Sylwester
    This raid was an aberration. Some cabal of immigration officials is out of control.

    Why the raid may have happened:

    They needed to show enforcement before the amnesty was funded by the R party.

    This specific operation was making a pest out of itself somehow, for example zoning problems. Or maybe

    This specific operation was not paying enough money to immigration attorneys and others possibly because they offered a cut rate service to less wealthy Chinese.

    “estimating that about 40,000 of 300,000 children born to foreign citizens in the U.S. each year are the product of birth tourism.” 300k is a lot of babies, can anyone explain where that estimate came from? If the 300k was representative of the Bush-Obama regime, about 1% of US citizens will be tourism babies. I wonder if they will vote D or R.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-birth-tourism-schemes-raids-20150303-story.html#page=1

    At least in theory they should be able to go through citizenship records and begin to revoke fraudulent citizenship. For example first time passports for children that do not return to the US should be determinable. After that tracing their parents movements should also be possible. I wonder if the children have to declare their parents identity? Do the parents have social security numbers? My guess is an interested party could track most of the fraud.

    Birth tourism causes a nightmare for real American parents that have to take their child to the local passport office.

    “Unfortunately, applying for a first-time passport has become more stringent and complicated in recent years. No first-time passport applications are accepted by mail. As a parent or legal guardian, you must apply in person on your baby’s behalf and you must bring your child with you when you apply.”

  35. How very Chinese of them.

    When the kids get old enough, they can stand in long lines and buy iPhones for their bosses to sell back in China.

    It’s a great culture, thousands of years old, you know.

  36. What’s sort of ironic about the whole thing is that women who engage in “birth tourism” are showing low time preference and good forward planning. In other words, they’re probably better quality people than 90% of the immigrants this country takes in.

  37. @Bill P
    Guess what? The Chinese women are paying 50k to the birth tourism hotels and having the babies on medicaid through WIC.

    It's worse than you think.

    For those who think we should import more Chinese, just consider how readily they cheat and steal from Americans. When they reach critical mass, they'll abandon all pretenses and claim that it's their "right" to do so.

    I like and admire Chinese people and culture, but anyone who thinks they won't press an advantage out of some sense of common decency is a damned fool.

    The “Chinese Culture” you might like and admire died long time ago, maybe by the Mongols when the Black Death was raging in Europe.

    Even the Chinese do not like its ‘culture’. That’s why they are doing things like what was described in this article.

  38. @Borachio
    "Is there an IQ race going on that America needs to win at any cost?"

    I meant only that the Chinese glass is half-full. I'd much rather have Chinese than most of the immigrants we're getting. Chinese aren't exactly like us, but they're smart, civilized, and work hard. They'll contribute to our society instead of being a dead weight that the rest of us have to drag while enduring endless complaints about slavery and racism.

    Feminists have pretty much ruined intelligent American women, so if we're going to need babies from abroad, let's at least get smart babies.

    On the IQ question, see Fred Reed's column this week (reposted on this web site). It alludes to the progressive enstupidation of the the American populace.

    I meant only that the Chinese glass is half-full. I’d much rather have Chinese than most of the immigrants we’re getting.

    It’s not as if we we’re going to be given a choice between them.

    They’ll contribute to our society instead of being a dead weight that the rest of us have to drag…

    From the article:

    Agents wrote in affidavits that the schemes also defrauded the hospitals where the women gave birth. Even though the mothers paid birth tourism operators tens of thousands of dollars in fees, they paid local hospitals nothing or a reduced sum for uninsured, low-income patients, according to the affidavits.

    More than 400 women associated with the Irvine location have given birth at one Orange County hospital since 2013, agents wrote in the affidavit. One of the women paid $4,080 out of $28,845 in hospital bills when her bank account showed charges at Wynn Las Vegas and purchases at Rolex and Louis Vuitton stores, the affidavit said.

    Can’t wait ’til the babies of these smart, civilized, hard-working individuals of such sterling character grow up, settle here and bring mom back over to “contribute” even more to our society by accessing our old people’s social safety net programs.

    … while enduring endless complaints about slavery and racism.

    Wouldn’t count on it. Remarkable how some people can conjure up ethnic grievances to flog for fun and profit when given incentives to do so. Don’t act all shocked when 20 years from now we have to listen to one of these anchor babies pissing and moaning about the Chinese Exclusion Act and demanding payback.

    On the IQ question, see Fred Reed’s column this week (reposted on this web site). It alludes to the progressive enstupidation of the the American populace.

    And you’re presenting yourself as an example thereof, I see.

  39. @Borachio
    "Is there an IQ race going on that America needs to win at any cost?"

    I meant only that the Chinese glass is half-full. I'd much rather have Chinese than most of the immigrants we're getting. Chinese aren't exactly like us, but they're smart, civilized, and work hard. They'll contribute to our society instead of being a dead weight that the rest of us have to drag while enduring endless complaints about slavery and racism.

    Feminists have pretty much ruined intelligent American women, so if we're going to need babies from abroad, let's at least get smart babies.

    On the IQ question, see Fred Reed's column this week (reposted on this web site). It alludes to the progressive enstupidation of the the American populace.

    Unlike Roundeyes, the Chinese only care about Chinese, no one else (not even Japanese and Vietnamese and anyone who could be plausibly said as looking similar to them).

    And they are not even kind to their own kind (pun intended). Why expect any kind of kindness from them?

  40. NPR covered this story today (3/4/15), and they kept stating that this wasn’t illegal.
    That just made me angrier. It’s clearly unethical, IMO, but the emphasis was solely on visa fraud.
    Here’s the story:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/04/390594357/federal-agents-carry-out-search-for-evidence-of-illegal-support-for-birth-touris

  41. @eisermann
    Foreign born Border jumping Vdare's John Derbyshire (china,uk) and Peter Brinelow (canda, uk) both had anchor babies , whats the problem here? Not sure if jared taylor (Japan) swings that way.

    It is one of scale, America can easily tolerate a small amount of 1st world immigration. Mass 3rd world immigration not so much.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    It is one of scale, America can easily tolerate a small amount of 1st world immigration. Mass 3rd world immigration not so much.
     
    Absolutely!

    I am ethnically East Asian, but I oppose mass immigration even from East Asia. I think a *small* number of East Asians can assimilate genetically and culturally into the American majority (and they have already). But mass migration, no matter what the IQ or temperament of the migrants, causes significant cultural, social, economic, and political disruptions and are unhealthy for the country as a whole. And of course that goes double and triple for migrants of lesser suitability.

    I wish our Congress would alter the citizenship regulation. Citizenship based on both birth location (the U.S.) *and* ancestry (at least one parent American citizen or legal immigrant with permanent residency) would get rid of all this birth tourism and also remove a sizable number of foreign parasites from our entitlement system.
  42. If you want to see the mean (the civilization) the Chinese immigrants’ kids will be reverting (us) toward, see China. That’s better than Nigeria, maybe Mexico, I guess.

    Talk of China’s mean IQ doesn’t make me want to live there.

  43. So we’re worried about a few thousand birth tourists and not the millions of Mexicans walking across the border every year?

  44. Foreign born Border jumping Vdare’s John Derbyshire (china,uk) and Peter Brinelow (canda, uk) both had anchor babies , whats the problem here? Not sure if jared taylor (Japan) swings that way.

    We’re racists, you moron.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    We’re racists, you moron.
     
    Who's "we" here?

    I thought this was more of a "citizenist" blog. Aren't there AmRen, Vdare, and StormFront for the white nationalists/supremacists?
  45. @AnAnon
    It is one of scale, America can easily tolerate a small amount of 1st world immigration. Mass 3rd world immigration not so much.

    It is one of scale, America can easily tolerate a small amount of 1st world immigration. Mass 3rd world immigration not so much.

    Absolutely!

    I am ethnically East Asian, but I oppose mass immigration even from East Asia. I think a *small* number of East Asians can assimilate genetically and culturally into the American majority (and they have already). But mass migration, no matter what the IQ or temperament of the migrants, causes significant cultural, social, economic, and political disruptions and are unhealthy for the country as a whole. And of course that goes double and triple for migrants of lesser suitability.

    I wish our Congress would alter the citizenship regulation. Citizenship based on both birth location (the U.S.) *and* ancestry (at least one parent American citizen or legal immigrant with permanent residency) would get rid of all this birth tourism and also remove a sizable number of foreign parasites from our entitlement system.

  46. @Svigor

    Foreign born Border jumping Vdare’s John Derbyshire (china,uk) and Peter Brinelow (canda, uk) both had anchor babies , whats the problem here? Not sure if jared taylor (Japan) swings that way.
     
    We're racists, you moron.

    We’re racists, you moron.

    Who’s “we” here?

    I thought this was more of a “citizenist” blog. Aren’t there AmRen, Vdare, and StormFront for the white nationalists/supremacists?

  47. @Anonymous

    It’s not only IQ, though. Culture is also very important. Individualistic vs. collective, rule of law vs. law of rule. In small numbers, whites and Asians don’t bump heads much but, in larger numbers, there would be a culture clash or conflict over resources.
     
    But as Twinkie has pointed out on a previous post, most East-Asian-Americans (at least the smart and accomplished ones) naturally assimilate to SWPL types (shop at Whole Foods, helicopter- not Tiger- parents, et al.).

    But as Twinkie has pointed out on a previous post, most East-Asian-Americans (at least the smart and accomplished ones) naturally assimilate to SWPL types (shop at Whole Foods, helicopter- not Tiger- parents, et al.).

    Not exactly.

    I have said numerous times that *in small numbers* East Asians assimilate well into the SWPL-dom or just the Anglo-American culture in general. In large numbers, however, they would replicate East Asian in America. That’s certainly better than a lot of things to be sure, but I’d like to keep America, well, America, which is to say, a country that is *mostly* but not exclusively an Angl0 (or NW European)-American culture/people.

    BTW, SWPLs can be quite Tiger mom-ish. They are just Tiger mom-ish about different things than differential equations.

  48. How Chinese Women Get Around the One-Child Policy and Save Money by Giving Birth in the US

    http://www.vice.com/read/chinese-women-birth-tourism-309

    So if this is some crazy Year of the Horse numerology thing, let them have the birth in the US, but don’t give them citizenship they don’t want or need.

  49. […] not the only one seemingly unkeen on a future dominated by China. Given the number of Chinese women practicing obstetric tourism, many of them may not be keen on it […]

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