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As we all know, blacks and Mexicans have low test scores because wherever they happen to live, such as in convenient inner city locations, has tragic dirt. Progressive whites want them to move to the magic dirt of the suburbs, so they can get high test scores, and the progressive whites will then nobly move into these inner city hellholes where they can walk to work downtown. (How the blacks and Mexicans will get to their jobs from their new locations in remotes suburbs is one of those questions that never quite occurs to Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing supporters.)
Boyle Heights is a crummy but not too crummy Mexican neighborhood just east of booming Downtown Los Angeles. Not surprisingly a lot of white people are thinking of moving in. Not surprisingly, lots of Mexican activists are ginning up campaigns of racial hatred against white gentrifiers. From the LA Weekly:
A coffee shop that opened last week on a busy commercial strip in Boyle Heights has prompted days of protest from groups opposed to it as a symbol of creeping gentrification in the neighborhood. A crowd of activists set up a picket line at the entrance to the shop on Thursday, urging would-be customers not to enter and taunting those who did with words like “sellout,” “colonist” and “collaborator.” They have returned every day since.
Weird Wave Coffee occupies a narrow storefront space and offers iced lattes, almond croissants, sourdough BLTs and the typical gourmet-variety coffee shop fare that many Angelenos take for granted. But the shop is conspicuous on East Cesar E. Chavez Avenue, on a block that includes a 24-hour pawn shop and a check-cashing and loans agency.
Similar to last year’s “artwashing” protests against new art galleries in Boyle Heights, the demonstrators regard the presence of the coffee shop as a harbinger of coming threats to affordable housing for low-income families in the largely working-class and Mexican neighborhood. Some say Boyle Heights could experience the same redevelopment boom that transformed its neighbor, downtown’s Arts District, from a deteriorating industrial zone to one of the most desirable and costly rental markets in the city.
Protesters, many of whom declined to give their names, say the arrival of a craft coffee shop offers encouragement to real estate buyers and developers and eventually will contribute to rising rents. They say the community boycott and picket is intended to retract the welcome mat for the relatively more educated, “whiter” and more well-to-do newcomers to the neighborhood.
The flyers handed out by demonstrators refer to the coffee shop as “White Wave Gentrifiers.”
“Not surprisingly, lots of Mexican activists are ginning up campaigns of racial hatred against white gentrifiers.”
Good for them! Let them defend their neighborhood against obnoxious, touchy-feely, upper-middle class white liberals, who in turn need a little taste of what they want the rest of the white populace (but not themselves, the Goodthinking Whites) to feel. Poetic justice.
My wife and I live not too far from Boyle Heights, have a good friend there (Mexican, shockingly ;) and dine there occasionally. We would likely try that coffee shop if it were safe. We and our children could be harmed, threatened, or chased. Why do we deserve this, when it is the result of everything we have actively worked to prevent?
Yeah, I know, we are in the distinct minority among whites here. But we exist and we matter.
And they should do back home in Mexico.Replies: @BB753
Protest flyers for a Day of Rage in London outright call “ethnic cleansing” the cuts of council housing and lack of rent controls in the well-situated and now-wealthy constituency that contains the island of poor ethnic minority housing sustained at some cost to the tax payer. (I don’t know who they thought lived there much less than a century ago. They also say “Defend freedom of movement. No new immigration controls”…) Have lower-class white Londoners ever had such a powerful card to play to keep rent hikes from pushing them further and further away from convenient locations?
The fire hasn’t just brought out the left-wing rabble-rousers wanting complete economic and political revolution on the basis of an accident the culpability for which they’ve not entirely accurately politicized along party lines, but they’ve leveraging “racism” as much as possible.
In this case the progressive whites want you to pay to keep tragic dirt tragic.
Also OT but I thought this was chilling. A local hijabi gave a BBC TV reporter the hottest of Grenfell Tower hot takes and reveals what preoccupies the Muslim mind: kin relationships, religious solidarity, revenge, conspiratorial thinking, and victimhood:
(But the Guardian says “A total of 200 firefighters and officers fought the blaze, arriving in 40 fire engines with the first on the scene just six minutes after receiving the first call at 00:56.”)
Getting closer to the approved narrative, the first victim named was a Syrian refugee, which set up the obvious press commentaries: He survived Assad, but not the Tory Scum land barons.
It’s hard to keep progressive ideology, as filtered through the cosmic medium MacArthur Genius Ta-Nehisi Genius Coates, straight these days. Are whites to blame for NAM dysfunction because they segregate themselves from non-whites, thus denying young black and brown scholars the magic learning aura that comes from white privilege, as alleged in Nicole Hannah-Jones’ articles on education for the New York Times Magazine? Or are they to blame because of their integrating themselves into NAM neighborhoods, i.e. practicing settler colonialism and dispossessing indigenous people of color (i.e. illegal immigrants) from their ancestral homelands?
One thing is clear: whites are to blame!
"Can Technology Finally Put White Brains In Brown Bodies?"
The progtards ape the Nazis in more ways than just their irrational stridency.
Them Mexicans is anti-immigrant
If we had commissioned our bullet train to service between Hesperia and Beverly Hills, our problem of having cheap help who doesn’t get underfoot politically would have been taken care of.
Imagine going from Beverly Hills to out in the middle of nowhere in 30 minutes!
Hesperia is a lot like much of Mexico anyway, so it would be just like home, and they could keep chickens, rabbits and goats without the neighbors hassling them like in Boyle Heights!
Mexicans’ message to white Americans: “Let us into your country, subsidise us with your taxes, and then stay away from us”.
But Mexicans subsidise Americans with their cheap labor.
If there was ever a stupider idea than giving away a country to save a few dollars on payroll costs, I can't imagine it. I'm pretty sure there's no need for cheap strawberries in January, cheap nannies, and cheap construction labor.
Huh. And here Ron Unz has been chattering on-and-on about how Hispanic Mestizos get along with White Anglos…..
Maybe Ron needs to get out more….
Elon Musk has all sorts of tunnels and trains in mind for Los Angeles, including one where you drive your car into a tunnel and it moves on some sort of conveyor belt. I think I tweeted something about that to Steve earlier today.
Solve the problem of water and traffic, and massive white suburbia could return, perhaps one day giving the GOP a favorable demographic majority again. I'd obviously rather not see this, as there is no shortage of water/empty cities in my native Great Lakes region.Replies: @MarcB., @Oleaginous Outrager
Okay, but what would the Chicano protestors do if this guy walks into Weird Wave Coffee?
Dirt's default mode is tragic, whereas Whitness' default mode is magic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADj_YlTkRiY
Please tell me Morrissey is a good-white or I'll have to stop listening to him! I'm so confused.Replies: @theo the kraut
Morrissey and Mexico fit together like hand in glove. Is that really so strange? | Raf Noboa y Rivera" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/morrissey-popularity-mexicans-smiths-chicanos-california
Good for them. I hate art, fancy coffee and sourdough BLTs.
OK, so I’ve never even tried a fancy coffee or a sourdough BLT, but I don’t let that stop me.
“A crowd of activists set up a picket line at the entrance to the shop on Thursday, urging would-be customers not to enter and taunting those who did with words like ‘sellout’, ‘colonist’ and ‘collaborator’.”
“You didn’t build that.”
https://youtu.be/wQ3GxsTaGE0Replies: @BenKenobi, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Paul Yarbles, @BB753
Dave-a-rino… that’s the dirty secret to the dirty tragic dirt…
Dirt’s default mode is tragic, whereas Whitness’ default mode is magic.
Wasn’t this the coffee shop where it turned out that the owner was from El Salvador?
Whose appearance outside the shop did nothing to damp the enthusiasm of the protestors, they just had to change their slogans a bit from being about “whiteness” to about “gentrification”…
I’m rather fond of almond croissants if truth be known.
I can’t blame them, really. I’d hate for outsiders to come into my community and make it so that I can’t live there, too.
Whose appearance outside the shop did nothing to damp the enthusiasm of the protestors, they just had to change their slogans a bit from being about "whiteness" to about "gentrification"...Replies: @Dave Pinsen
They could use Ta-Nehisi Coates’s all-purpose phrase: “People who think they are white”.
The difference is, white people really are white.Replies: @anonymous
https://youtu.be/wQ3GxsTaGE0Replies: @BenKenobi, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Paul Yarbles, @BB753
They would Oscillate Wildly, of course.
One thing is clear: whites are to blame!Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager, @David, @SteveRogers42
Assuredly coming soon from a “progressive thought leader”:
“Can Technology Finally Put White Brains In Brown Bodies?”
The progtards ape the Nazis in more ways than just their irrational stridency.
OK, so I've never even tried a fancy coffee or a sourdough BLT, but I don't let that stop me.Replies: @415 reasons
Don’t try art either you won’t like it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_interstate_water_pipelines_to_California
Solve the problem of water and traffic, and massive white suburbia could return, perhaps one day giving the GOP a favorable demographic majority again. I’d obviously rather not see this, as there is no shortage of water/empty cities in my native Great Lakes region.
On the one hand, it’s a bit galling to see these efforts to keep the people who make up the majority of the country out when it is increasingly Mexico City North with various islands of Anglos dotting the landscape. Seems like surrender.
On the other hand, if you have a relatively stable minority community in a big city, it’s probably best to leave it intact rather than shattering it through gentrification.
MexicansLatinos gives them those coveted "diversity" creds and b)point to the physical improvements in the neighborhood, which helps theMexicansLatinos. They may also when feeling very bad, write a letter the city council to encourage them to raise the minimum wage to $50 per hour, so that they can continue to afford the neighborhood.Instructive how many of these cheap labor plans have a way of not working out.
I think the point of this is that we need to start thinking more cogently about the links between real estate and race/tribe, like much of the rest of the world does.
“A local resident, who gave his name only as “Luganja,” held a sign over his head: “Stop being a dick. It’s ONLY coffee!”
I agree w/ Luganja.
Why are these protesters allowed to wear masks?
Damn, some of you still think it's 2002.
Don’t forget the stolen IDs/social security numbers to accomplish that. Also the extra burden on social services, including medical. They love that we give them health care before they get asked how they’ll pay for it.
If there was ever a stupider idea than giving away a country to save a few dollars on payroll costs, I can’t imagine it. I’m pretty sure there’s no need for cheap strawberries in January, cheap nannies, and cheap construction labor.
The protest is completely contrived and part of one of the most brilliant guerilla marketing campaigns of the decade.
Not only do you want the $6.50 mocha latte grown with the finest Estelian beans, you want to add a 1.25 sugar free flavor shot and tip the barista craftsperson 15 pct.
On the other hand, if you have a relatively stable minority community in a big city, it's probably best to leave it intact rather than shattering it through gentrification.Replies: @AM
If they care at all, they will a)offer up how living right next to
MexicansLatinos gives them those coveted “diversity” creds and b)point to the physical improvements in the neighborhood, which helps theMexicansLatinos. They may also when feeling very bad, write a letter the city council to encourage them to raise the minimum wage to $50 per hour, so that they can continue to afford the neighborhood.As a goat eating a film reel once said, “I liked the book better”.
The mestizos are complaining about being displaced (!) and racially replaced in the video somebody posted on Steve’s twitter.
It sounds like Pilsen in Chicago.
Meanwhile in Philadelphia:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/gentrification-brewerytown-steelworks-20170619.html
This was something:So a 14 year old punches a woman (!) and then when her husband intervenes (forcefully) he is threatened both with a lawsuit and an investigation at work.
Then there is this:So a gym is like a store. Fascinating.
At least there are encouraging comments.Replies: @Travis
The flyers handed out by demonstrators refer to the coffee shop as “White Wave Gentrifiers.” — LA Weekly
Whitey Gentrifier is surfing the real estate wave all over areas where Blacks and Mestizos live. Whitey only wants what’s best for the Blacks and Mestizos. Whitey Gentrifier wants to move the Blacks and Mestizos out to where regular moderate income Whitey lives.
Whitey Gentrifier went into Hoboken, New Jersey before Volcker nipped the wage inflation and other inflation in the bud with 22 percent federal funds rate in 1981. Whitey Gentrifier made the Puerto Ricans and others an offer they couldn’t refuse. Whitey Gentrifier only wanted what is best for the Puerto Ricans and others in Hoboken.
Whitey Gentrifier was smart enough to know that after Volcker would come the financialization of the economy. Hoboken is right across the Hudson River from lower Manhattan. That’s where the financialization jobs would be. Financialization is a fancy name for debt.
Now we are towards the end of a multi-decade financialization binge that has seen asset bubbles inflate and deflate. The only thing that could save the Mestizos in Boyle Heights would be a repeat of 22 percent federal funds rate. Whitey Gentrifier don’t want to hear no crud about 22 percent federal funds rate. Whitey Gentrifier says no normalization of interest rates.
WHITE WAVE GENTRIFIERS love the Mestizos in Boyle Heights and they only want what is best for them.
Ta-Nehisi Coates is a person who thinks he is talented.
The difference is, white people really are white.
Why? Because the MacArthur Foundation ("A Catalyst For Change") SAYS he is, that's why!
I agree w/ Luganja.
Why are these protesters allowed to wear masks?Replies: @Jack Hanson
Cause California is occupied territory and you’re a second class citizen if you go against that narrative.
Damn, some of you still think it’s 2002.
Oh, they work out very well for the elites with their nannies and maids. It’s the rest of us they don’t work out so well for. But who cares about a bunch of deplorable losers anyway.
The same thing is happening to the white-owned Blue Cat Cafe in Austin:
https://austin.eater.com/2017/6/12/15784546/blue-cat-cafe-austin-protest-comedy-central-television-show
https://www.infowars.com/racist-social-justice-warriors-terrorize-owner-of-cat-sanctuary/
Maybe Ron needs to get out more....Replies: @Jim Christian
Ron Unz has politically-correct terrorism to worry about, too. Wonder how his quest to end tuition payments at the Hedge-Fund Harvard went? Bet that quest included multiple offers to end his life. Those academics and their crazy asset management..
https://youtu.be/wQ3GxsTaGE0Replies: @BenKenobi, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Paul Yarbles, @BB753
I don’t understand. Morrissey is gay or something similar, right? And all his lyrics that would appeal to right-wingers like most here are ironic, correct? National Front Disco was anti-National Front — tell me it’s true! His bemoaning of the loss of Englishness in England is counterfeit nostalgia, right? He loves massive immigration from third-world countries (except maybe from China — because animal rights and all that).
Please tell me Morrissey is a good-white or I’ll have to stop listening to him! I’m so confused.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/gentrification-brewerytown-steelworks-20170619.htmlReplies: @res, @Anon
That home price graphic is interesting. Starkly shows the economic pressure to gentrify nearby neighborhoods. How many places do you see the expensive neighborhoods right next to a penitentiary and the inexpensive neighborhoods right next to a college?!
This was something:
So a 14 year old punches a woman (!) and then when her husband intervenes (forcefully) he is threatened both with a lawsuit and an investigation at work.
Then there is this:
So a gym is like a store. Fascinating.
At least there are encouraging comments.
Girard College, is not a college. It was created by Stephen Girard, At the time of his death, Girard was the wealthiest man in America. He left an endowment for establishing a boarding school for "poor, male, white orphans" in Philadelphia which became Girard College.
I know this neighborhood well, Attended High School at 17th and Girard. My sister owns a restaurant across the street from the Eastern Penitentiary. It is now a tourist attraction. You can also walk to the Philadelphia Museum of Art from here and Fairmount Park.Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @res, @dr kill
What was Angelino Heights like before gentrification? Gentrified places seem to follow a cyclical pattern in the “magicness/tragicness” of their dirt.
One thing is clear: whites are to blame!Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager, @David, @SteveRogers42
On Tennessee Totes, the Atlantic in a profile of “serious readers” has this gag-worthy thing to say:
But was it art?
Someone should tell this “serious reader” that the muscle Genius T. Coates is capable of exercising is not his “intellect”.
“How the blacks and Mexicans will get to their jobs from their new locations in remotes [sic] suburbs is one of those questions that never quite occurs to Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing supporters…”
They thought about it in Detroit with the regional transit authority proposal on the 2016 October ballot. The idea was to connect the four counties containing and surrounding rapidly-gentrifying Detroit with a massive bus system that would permit easy travel from downtown and inner-city Detroit out to the suburbs and back.
This ballot measure, which would’ve cost taxpayers and homeowners in these four counties $3 billion over a period of about a decade, was narrowly defeated.
Solve the problem of water and traffic, and massive white suburbia could return, perhaps one day giving the GOP a favorable demographic majority again. I'd obviously rather not see this, as there is no shortage of water/empty cities in my native Great Lakes region.Replies: @MarcB., @Oleaginous Outrager
Despite the fact that it would be far less complicated to demographically dominate the resource rich Middle and Southern US with an influx of the disenchanted from major US metropolitan areas for the creation of an unflinching cultural and political White majority, the romantic notion of a”Northwest Homeland” still predominates. It gets very water deficient thirty miles inland along most of the West Coast, but the prospect of dreamy Snoqualmie, WA as the capitol of the new nation is more exciting than something actually feasible.
Good gods. It's in King frikking County for crap's sake.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/gentrification-brewerytown-steelworks-20170619.htmlReplies: @res, @Anon
There’s going to be a lot more of this sort of thing. The economy has come to the point in which younger whites cannot afford to live in big cities at all unless they move into cheaper black and Mexican areas. I predict the next decade is going to see a profound demographic turnover in which blacks are ejected from northern cities entirely, and they’ll move south to places like Atlanta and turn them into massive super-ghettos more akin to the type of deadbeat cesspool cities you see in third-world cities like Haiti. Once this demographic change is complete, the US will have about a dozen or so big southern cities that are all like Detroit. Whites who want a decent life with flee these cities like crazy because their crime rates will skyrocket and their schools collapse into utter messes.
As for Mexicans, even if they work, the efforts of the elite to keep blue collar workers’ wages low means they won’t be able to afford the million dollar suburban houses of the whites in the coastal cities. They may end up joining the blacks in New Haiti-town. What’s more, any serious contraction of the US economy, which happens now and then according to natural economic cycles, will mean tens of millions of Mexican in the US will be out of work and on welfare along with the blacks, likely permanently once they get used to it ala Puerto Ricans (53% of Puerto Ricans are on welfare and don’t work), with whites expected to support them all in a bad economic environment even for themselves. I’m not hopeful for the future.
I really think you are on to something with this. A question that goes through my mind when pondering something like this is: "What stops it?"
Blacks just plain don't like cold weather. The northern job machine no longer exists for what they have to sell.
Virtually all of them have family and contacts still in the South. All it takes is for welfare to be really tightened or curtailed and my thinking is the current back migration to the South jumps into high gear.
Atlanta, for whatever reason, has avoided Memphis and Birmingham's fate. But for how much longer?
How many whites are debtfree with meaningful savings and a stable career? Not the majority, that is for sure. Not me yet, if ever, that is for damn sure.
How’s Ta-Nehisi’s french coming along? He’s a genius and all so I imagine it’s pretty beaucoup by now.
Yep, he's already mastered wearing the beret. A genius like Coates realizes that's enough. Actually learning French is so old school.Replies: @Ivy, @Reg Cæsar, @donut
Forget it Pablo, it’s Honkytown.
The locals will need to beat up some Yuppies on a regular basis, get the reputation of being a dangerous neighborhood….otherwise there’s no way they will hang on to their Primo location.
The moneyed peeps will be drooling over the neighborhood and thinking about the millions they’ll be making when they resell what they bought cheap. Very few ways to stop them….
This reminds me of the King of the Hill episode on gentrification when Hank is stunned to find out his coworker Enrique has been renting his house for fifteen years. Enrique response is something like, “I like to have a good time, I live for today.” The mocking of the hipsters is hilarious. The episode first aired in the middle of the mortgage meltdown, I wonder when it was written.
http://kingofthehill.wikia.com/wiki/Lady_and_Gentrification
Please tell me Morrissey is a good-white or I'll have to stop listening to him! I'm so confused.Replies: @theo the kraut
He’s a poet and a charismatic singer, not an intellectual. English/Irish at heart but somewhat progressive/internationalist, too, because that’s what cool people are. This doesn’t mix all to well and confuses him. Alt-righters don’t care much about the gay stuff* and he’s being discreet about his sex life anyway.
* unless it’s politicised leftie gay activism
Weird Wave Coffee is across the street from “King Taco #9” and ‘catty-corner’ from a Taco Bell, so, yeah, that neighborhood is authentic something-or-other.
Wait, is that a joke? Is here seriously being patted on the back for repeating oldest cliché in the book: “the mind is a muscle”?
Such as what?
Whitey Gentrifier is surfing the real estate wave all over areas where Blacks and Mestizos live. Whitey only wants what's best for the Blacks and Mestizos. Whitey Gentrifier wants to move the Blacks and Mestizos out to where regular moderate income Whitey lives.
Whitey Gentrifier went into Hoboken, New Jersey before Volcker nipped the wage inflation and other inflation in the bud with 22 percent federal funds rate in 1981. Whitey Gentrifier made the Puerto Ricans and others an offer they couldn't refuse. Whitey Gentrifier only wanted what is best for the Puerto Ricans and others in Hoboken.
Whitey Gentrifier was smart enough to know that after Volcker would come the financialization of the economy. Hoboken is right across the Hudson River from lower Manhattan. That's where the financialization jobs would be. Financialization is a fancy name for debt.
Now we are towards the end of a multi-decade financialization binge that has seen asset bubbles inflate and deflate. The only thing that could save the Mestizos in Boyle Heights would be a repeat of 22 percent federal funds rate. Whitey Gentrifier don't want to hear no crud about 22 percent federal funds rate. Whitey Gentrifier says no normalization of interest rates.
WHITE WAVE GENTRIFIERS love the Mestizos in Boyle Heights and they only want what is best for them.Replies: @Opinionator
Federal funds rate connection went over my head.
If you want to understand why that matters get a mortgage calculator and compare the payments at 5, 10, 15, and 20%. What even 10% interest rates would do to housing prices is not pretty to imagine.Replies: @Opinionator
They thought about it in Detroit with the regional transit authority proposal on the 2016 October ballot. The idea was to connect the four counties containing and surrounding rapidly-gentrifying Detroit with a massive bus system that would permit easy travel from downtown and inner-city Detroit out to the suburbs and back.This ballot measure, which would've cost taxpayers and homeowners in these four counties $3 billion over a period of about a decade, was narrowly defeated.Replies: @Opinionator, @SteveRogers42
Is Detroit rapidly gentrifying? What kind of jobs do the gentrifiers have?
” I predict the next decade is going to see a profound demographic turnover in which blacks are ejected from northern cities entirely, and they’ll move south to places like Atlanta and turn them into massive super-ghettos more akin to the type of deadbeat cesspool cities you see in third-world cities like Haiti. Once this demographic change is complete, the US will have about a dozen or so big southern cities that are all like Detroit. Whites who want a decent life with flee these cities like crazy because their crime rates will skyrocket and their schools collapse into utter messes.”
I really think you are on to something with this. A question that goes through my mind when pondering something like this is: “What stops it?”
Blacks just plain don’t like cold weather. The northern job machine no longer exists for what they have to sell.
Virtually all of them have family and contacts still in the South. All it takes is for welfare to be really tightened or curtailed and my thinking is the current back migration to the South jumps into high gear.
Atlanta, for whatever reason, has avoided Memphis and Birmingham’s fate. But for how much longer?
Snoqualmie is “dreamy”???
Good gods. It’s in King frikking County for crap’s sake.
This was something:So a 14 year old punches a woman (!) and then when her husband intervenes (forcefully) he is threatened both with a lawsuit and an investigation at work.
Then there is this:So a gym is like a store. Fascinating.
At least there are encouraging comments.Replies: @Travis
The Eastern penitentiary was the first modern Prison, with individual cells built for the inmates, and they attempted to rehabilitate the cons…Eastern State Penitentiary was once the most famous and expensive prison in the world, but stands today in ruin, a haunting world of crumbling cellblocks and empty guard towers. Its vaulted, sky-lit cells once held many of America’s most notoriuous criminals, including “Slick Willie” Sutton and “Scarface” Al Capone. It was closed 45 years ago.
Girard College, is not a college. It was created by Stephen Girard, At the time of his death, Girard was the wealthiest man in America. He left an endowment for establishing a boarding school for “poor, male, white orphans” in Philadelphia which became Girard College.
I know this neighborhood well, Attended High School at 17th and Girard. My sister owns a restaurant across the street from the Eastern Penitentiary. It is now a tourist attraction. You can also walk to the Philadelphia Museum of Art from here and Fairmount Park.
"While serving as a financial agent for the City of Philadelphia's treasurer Joseph Marcer, Yerkes risked public money in a colossal stock speculation. This speculation ended calamitously when the Great Chicago Fire sparked a financial panic. Left insolvent and unable to make payment to the City of Philadelphia, Yerkes was convicted of larceny and sentenced to thirty-three months in the dreaded -- [Eastern State Penitentiary] -- , notorious for its system of solitary confinement." -- Wikipedia on Charles Tyson Yerkes
Yerkes was the inspiration for the Frank Cowperwood character in Dreiser's "The Financier"Replies: @dr kill
I have personal experience with this. I work in a neighborhood near Boyle Heights and, one day, I (gringo) and my coworkers (also gringos) showed up to our small studio to find posters slapped on the outside walls telling us, among other things, that we were “colonizing” that neighborhood and that our “white faces” were displacing “brown faces” in the neighborhood. I seem to also remember the word “community” being used repeatedly in the same sense that Black politicians use it, where Whites can tell themselves that they’re included in it, but it’s obvious to everyone else that Whites are not included.
Three points:
1) “Anti-gentrification” protests have been simmering on the east side of Los Angeles for nearly a decade now. It’s been clear for a long time that they’re largely just anti-White, ethnic community-preservation protests; within the past year or two the fig leaf has been discarded almost entirely, though. This is really obvious because, if you look at who the “gentrifiers” are, they are maybe 50% White, maybe. Yet if you ever speak to the “anti-gentrification” protesters about what’s bothering them, the word “White” will usually come up within the first two sentences.
2) One of the comments mentions a protest of a coffee shop where the owner turned out to be Salvadorean. I’ve heard of lots of business arrangements in these neighborhoods where a group of (non-Hispanic) people wants to open a business catering to SWPLs and, in order to stave off protests, decides to use a Hispanic person as the face of the business, to show that gentrification is good for everyone in “the community”. Unfortunately for these entrepreneurs, they don’t get that these protests are not primarily about economics; they’re about maintaining community homogeneity and, in the eyes of the protesters, the owners of coffee shops, etc. are just operating for-profit fora for outsider communities.
3) I’m a little torn about whether this is ultimately good. On the one hand, your average White person on the eastside of LA is a political retard and these blatantly anti-White sentiments could potentially redpill a lot of them. One the other hand, the “anti-gentrification” protesters will almost certainly lose in the end and have their communities radically transformed, just as so many other communities across America are being radically transformed by seemingly-endless waves of newcomers who have little interest in adopting the extant culture of their new locale.
“How’s Ta-Nehisi’s french coming along? He’s a genius and all so I imagine it’s pretty beaucoup by now.”
Yep, he’s already mastered wearing the beret. A genius like Coates realizes that’s enough. Actually learning French is so old school.
"True Grit"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK4FZ3ks17M
"Miami Blues" with Alec Baldwin , Ferd Ward and Jennifer Jason Leigh .
"Thick as Thieves " Again , Alec Balwin with Andre Braugher , Michael Jai White and Rebecca De Mornay .
And "Prick Up Your Ears" with Gary Oldman and Alfred Molina .
"The Night Visitor" with Max Von Sydow .
"The Rover" with Guy Pierce
"The Missing Person" with Michael Shannon and Amy Ryan .
'Spun"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMVuMHK8j5g
"Fresh"
"Searching for The Wrong Eyed Jesus"
"Hoosiers"
"City of Industry"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MKr_bETSWA
With the best line in any movie .
The Salton Sea" with Val Kilmer .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS4qs-BSzo4
Probably the biggest gentrification battle in Canada is in downtown Vancouver. The downtown, including popular tourist destinations like Gastown and Old Chinatown, is right next to the Downtown Eastside, the poorest urban neighbourhood in the country (its basically one big drug market). Given the extreme pressure, I’m pretty sure that the DES will eventually give in to the big bucks. The neighbourhood does have a disproportionately Native population, but they have their own divisions and are not a majority there. So, there’s no ethnic majority to coalesce around.
In any case, IMO the battle is largely over. Pockets of hipsterdom are spreading relentlessly.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Yep, he's already mastered wearing the beret. A genius like Coates realizes that's enough. Actually learning French is so old school.Replies: @Ivy, @Reg Cæsar, @donut
He needs the full Monty, or would that be Monté, with a folded up copy of Le Monde tucked under an arm and a Gauloise dangling from his mouth. Bathing may be optional.
Solve the problem of water and traffic, and massive white suburbia could return, perhaps one day giving the GOP a favorable demographic majority again. I'd obviously rather not see this, as there is no shortage of water/empty cities in my native Great Lakes region.Replies: @MarcB., @Oleaginous Outrager
But imagine the awesome power that would come with being able to turn off the taps.
Girard College, is not a college. It was created by Stephen Girard, At the time of his death, Girard was the wealthiest man in America. He left an endowment for establishing a boarding school for "poor, male, white orphans" in Philadelphia which became Girard College.
I know this neighborhood well, Attended High School at 17th and Girard. My sister owns a restaurant across the street from the Eastern Penitentiary. It is now a tourist attraction. You can also walk to the Philadelphia Museum of Art from here and Fairmount Park.Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @res, @dr kill
Eastern State Penitentiary — Charles Yerkes — Frank Cowperwood
“While serving as a financial agent for the City of Philadelphia’s treasurer Joseph Marcer, Yerkes risked public money in a colossal stock speculation. This speculation ended calamitously when the Great Chicago Fire sparked a financial panic. Left insolvent and unable to make payment to the City of Philadelphia, Yerkes was convicted of larceny and sentenced to thirty-three months in the dreaded — [Eastern State Penitentiary] — , notorious for its system of solitary confinement.” — Wikipedia on Charles Tyson Yerkes
Yerkes was the inspiration for the Frank Cowperwood character in Dreiser’s “The Financier”
Sounds good, but there are still normal, sensible, patriotic, hardworking white people here in LA who are beset by the threats, intimidation, and potential violence too.
My wife and I live not too far from Boyle Heights, have a good friend there (Mexican, shockingly 😉 and dine there occasionally. We would likely try that coffee shop if it were safe. We and our children could be harmed, threatened, or chased. Why do we deserve this, when it is the result of everything we have actively worked to prevent?
Yeah, I know, we are in the distinct minority among whites here. But we exist and we matter.
Here’s a thought: Send the Dodgers back to (already gentrified) Brooklyn, then tear down Dodger Stadium and rebuild Chavez Ravine.
And Ebbets Field.
I’m surprised it’s the biggest gentrification battle in Vancouver. Or isn’t Chinese teardowns of old Victorian houses considered gentrification?
I’m for high speed rail, actually, but the downside could be that our African brethren in particular could access all neighborhoods more easily, commit robbery or burglary or worse, and escape with relative anonymity, no chance of victims or police or others identifying their vehicle or them getting pulled over for some other reason.
First, the vibrants would stick out like a sore thumb in White McWhite's neighborhood. Second, there are cameras at train stations and major intersections, thanks to local law enforcement. Third, what incidents have occurred on a regular basis as a result of high speed rail to the suburbs? Be specific.
"There’s no reason to assume that most whites will be able to afford pricey houses in safe, more civilized areas, either. No reason at all."
What is your definition of "pricey"?Replies: @res
Fed funds rate is one of the indexes adjustable rate mortgages can track (though there usually is a cap on the maximum increase). In the early 80s it went up around 20% (did it ever hit 22%?): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_funds_rate
If you want to understand why that matters get a mortgage calculator and compare the payments at 5, 10, 15, and 20%. What even 10% interest rates would do to housing prices is not pretty to imagine.
Yep, he's already mastered wearing the beret. A genius like Coates realizes that's enough. Actually learning French is so old school.Replies: @Ivy, @Reg Cæsar, @donut
You’d think that after Prince and Monica Lewinsky had had their way with it, even French men wouldn’t dare wear it again for a long, long time!
One thing is clear: whites are to blame!Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager, @David, @SteveRogers42
DD – You couldn’t have hit the nail any more squarely on the head.
Girard College, is not a college. It was created by Stephen Girard, At the time of his death, Girard was the wealthiest man in America. He left an endowment for establishing a boarding school for "poor, male, white orphans" in Philadelphia which became Girard College.
I know this neighborhood well, Attended High School at 17th and Girard. My sister owns a restaurant across the street from the Eastern Penitentiary. It is now a tourist attraction. You can also walk to the Philadelphia Museum of Art from here and Fairmount Park.Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @res, @dr kill
Thanks for the information!
There’s no reason to assume that most whites will be able to afford pricey houses in safe, more civilized areas, either. No reason at all.
How many whites are debtfree with meaningful savings and a stable career? Not the majority, that is for sure. Not me yet, if ever, that is for damn sure.
A classic National Lampoon ad featured the slogan “A Strong Back is a Terrible thing to Waste”. Tennessee Totes could have posed for the accompanying photo.
Spokane, Boise, and Bend come to mind.
They thought about it in Detroit with the regional transit authority proposal on the 2016 October ballot. The idea was to connect the four counties containing and surrounding rapidly-gentrifying Detroit with a massive bus system that would permit easy travel from downtown and inner-city Detroit out to the suburbs and back.This ballot measure, which would've cost taxpayers and homeowners in these four counties $3 billion over a period of about a decade, was narrowly defeated.Replies: @Opinionator, @SteveRogers42
What are these Black and Mexican “jobs” of which they speak?
Low skill, low IQ labor is never cheap. It’s extremely expensive for each city, county, state, and the nation as a whole.
COST SHIFTING, BABY
Dave, what could be better than having your car/vehicle on a conveyor belt, in a tunnel, when the belt shuts down for whatever reason.
““Not surprisingly, lots of Mexican activists are ginning up campaigns of racial hatred against white gentrifiers.””
And they should do back home in Mexico.
And Ebbets Field.Replies: @Buffalo Joe
Reg, I have a framed photo of the Ebbets Field Schaefer Beer score board hanging over my desk. The board featured signage from Abe Starks Clothing Store with the three cursive G’s and a “hit this sign,win a suit” challenge to the batters. My great uncle on my father’s side was one of the G’s in Triple G’s Suits.
It’s not the impoverished denizens of the Downtown Eastside who battle gentrification. It’s the poverty pimps who get funding to “help” them.
In any case, IMO the battle is largely over. Pockets of hipsterdom are spreading relentlessly.
https://youtu.be/wQ3GxsTaGE0Replies: @BenKenobi, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Paul Yarbles, @BB753
Make no mistake, Morrissey is big in Mexico! And among Chicanos too!
Morrissey and Mexico fit together like hand in glove. Is that really so strange? | Raf Noboa y Rivera” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/morrissey-popularity-mexicans-smiths-chicanos-california
And they should do back home in Mexico.Replies: @BB753
White gentrification written large, that is, Spanish colonialism, failed big time in Mexico.
Girard College, is not a college. It was created by Stephen Girard, At the time of his death, Girard was the wealthiest man in America. He left an endowment for establishing a boarding school for "poor, male, white orphans" in Philadelphia which became Girard College.
I know this neighborhood well, Attended High School at 17th and Girard. My sister owns a restaurant across the street from the Eastern Penitentiary. It is now a tourist attraction. You can also walk to the Philadelphia Museum of Art from here and Fairmount Park.Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @res, @dr kill
The facts of the crushing of his Will is interesting reading, too. The Delaware Valley is a great place to be from.
"While serving as a financial agent for the City of Philadelphia's treasurer Joseph Marcer, Yerkes risked public money in a colossal stock speculation. This speculation ended calamitously when the Great Chicago Fire sparked a financial panic. Left insolvent and unable to make payment to the City of Philadelphia, Yerkes was convicted of larceny and sentenced to thirty-three months in the dreaded -- [Eastern State Penitentiary] -- , notorious for its system of solitary confinement." -- Wikipedia on Charles Tyson Yerkes
Yerkes was the inspiration for the Frank Cowperwood character in Dreiser's "The Financier"Replies: @dr kill
The life of C T Yerkes makes interesting reading as well. I’m surprised he never ran for President.
Yep, he's already mastered wearing the beret. A genius like Coates realizes that's enough. Actually learning French is so old school.Replies: @Ivy, @Reg Cæsar, @donut
I have a few more for you Kylie :
“True Grit”
“Miami Blues” with Alec Baldwin , Ferd Ward and Jennifer Jason Leigh .
“Thick as Thieves ” Again , Alec Balwin with Andre Braugher , Michael Jai White and Rebecca De Mornay .
And “Prick Up Your Ears” with Gary Oldman and Alfred Molina .
“The Night Visitor” with Max Von Sydow .
“The Rover” with Guy Pierce
“The Missing Person” with Michael Shannon and Amy Ryan .
‘Spun”
“Fresh”
“Searching for The Wrong Eyed Jesus”
“Hoosiers”
“City of Industry”
With the best line in any movie .
The Salton Sea” with Val Kilmer .
If you want to understand why that matters get a mortgage calculator and compare the payments at 5, 10, 15, and 20%. What even 10% interest rates would do to housing prices is not pretty to imagine.Replies: @Opinionator
It seems he is saying that high rates assisted the Gentrifiers of Hoboken, but would be an obstacle to them in Boyle Hights.
There is some element of equilibrium between house prices and interest rates (much more to it of course, I am simplifying to highlight the broad trends). This makes a big difference depending on whether someone is cash rich or cash poor. Someone with cash can find great buys when rates are high (or loans are otherwise hard to get as in 2009) but not so much when they are low. People without cash have trouble buying unless rates are low (and loans are relatively easy to obtain).
“I’m for high speed rail, actually, but the downside could be that our African brethren in particular could access all neighborhoods more easily, commit robbery or burglary or worse, and escape with relative anonymity, no chance of victims or police or others identifying their vehicle or them getting pulled over for some other reason.”
First, the vibrants would stick out like a sore thumb in White McWhite’s neighborhood. Second, there are cameras at train stations and major intersections, thanks to local law enforcement. Third, what incidents have occurred on a regular basis as a result of high speed rail to the suburbs? Be specific.
“There’s no reason to assume that most whites will be able to afford pricey houses in safe, more civilized areas, either. No reason at all.”
What is your definition of “pricey”?
But looking at light rail instead I think your glib theorizing does not really hold up. Here is one article discussing crime at light rail stops. Their interactive map linked at the end is interesting, but would be much better with a graphic indicator of crime visible at the overview level making it easier to compare rates.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/09/10/serious-crimes-happening-on-light-rail-trains-platforms/
Does anyone have a good example of a crime heat map showing light rail stations?
Back to your regularly scheduled data lacking comments filled with missing the point, strawmen, false equivalences, false dichotomies, etc. Carry on.Replies: @Corvinus
The difference is, white people really are white.Replies: @anonymous
T-N Coates is a f**king GENIUS!
Why? Because the MacArthur Foundation (“A Catalyst For Change”) SAYS he is, that’s why!
I think it would be more accurate to say that the transition from high to low interest rates helps gentrifiers while the transition from low to high hurts them. The former tends to increase prices after purchase and provide cheaper money for post-purchase improvements while the latter does the opposite.
There is some element of equilibrium between house prices and interest rates (much more to it of course, I am simplifying to highlight the broad trends). This makes a big difference depending on whether someone is cash rich or cash poor. Someone with cash can find great buys when rates are high (or loans are otherwise hard to get as in 2009) but not so much when they are low. People without cash have trouble buying unless rates are low (and loans are relatively easy to obtain).
First, the vibrants would stick out like a sore thumb in White McWhite's neighborhood. Second, there are cameras at train stations and major intersections, thanks to local law enforcement. Third, what incidents have occurred on a regular basis as a result of high speed rail to the suburbs? Be specific.
"There’s no reason to assume that most whites will be able to afford pricey houses in safe, more civilized areas, either. No reason at all."
What is your definition of "pricey"?Replies: @res
There is pretty much no high speed rail in the US, much less directly to neighborhoods/suburbs (as opposed to major city stops, local stops tend to defeat the purpose of high speed rail). I’m assuming RadicalCenter was giving a hypothetical case and assuming interconnecting mass transit.
But looking at light rail instead I think your glib theorizing does not really hold up. Here is one article discussing crime at light rail stops. Their interactive map linked at the end is interesting, but would be much better with a graphic indicator of crime visible at the overview level making it easier to compare rates.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/09/10/serious-crimes-happening-on-light-rail-trains-platforms/
Does anyone have a good example of a crime heat map showing light rail stations?
Back to your regularly scheduled data lacking comments filled with missing the point, strawmen, false equivalences, false dichotomies, etc. Carry on.
I did not state that there was a lack of crime at light rail stops. I specifically asked "what incidents have occurred on a regular basis as a result of high speed rail TO THE SUBURBS?" You provided a link discussing crime rates on two lines in Minneapolis. In looking closer at your link, from 2015, the busiest transit stations crime generally occurs later at night, individuals not paying their fares is a common offense, and more crime is reported on buses than the light-rail line.
There was an update to the story. "Still, the success of the two lines is jeopardized by crime and livability offenses that too often cause alarm among light-rail passengers. Metro Transit Police reported that the number of serious crimes — robberies, threats and assaults — fell from 278 in 2014 to 233 last year. But officials also tracked a significant increase in livability calls for intoxicated riders, passengers sleeping on trains and disorderly conduct."
Not violent crimes, but crimes nonetheless.
http://www.startribune.com/overall-crime-is-down-but-that-doesn-t-help-transit-riders-feel-safer/410689725
"Back to your regularly scheduled data lacking comments filled with missing the point, strawmen, false equivalences, false dichotomies, etc. Carry on."
Fake News Story.
This will be an interesting ‘tragic dirt’ experiment:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-latest-victims-rehoused-2bn-kensington-luxury-apartment-block-68-flats-a7800856.html
… like moving Cabrini-Green to Manhattan.
But it might actually be worth it for the "noticing" impact.
(the article seems a bit misleading given that this was already planned social housing, but it is hard to make out what the reality is)
Some sample comments:I wonder how they will handle cases of illegal subletting at Grenfell Tower.Replies: @TelfoedJohn
I love this. Let rich liberals get a first-hand taste of sweet, unfiltered, brutish diversity.
In any case, IMO the battle is largely over. Pockets of hipsterdom are spreading relentlessly.Replies: @Jim Don Bob
A certain race hustling poverty pimp made it all the way to the White House.
Permanently!
I wonder if they paid market price? Could probably build a multi-hundred unit building for the same cost somewhere else.
But it might actually be worth it for the “noticing” impact.
(the article seems a bit misleading given that this was already planned social housing, but it is hard to make out what the reality is)
Some sample comments:
I wonder how they will handle cases of illegal subletting at Grenfell Tower.
As for illegal subletting, I would not be surprised if a third of the flats were let to someone else (or a single room was sublet). How do I know this? Because I live in a housing association flat in Kensington. Many tenants cannot afford to pay the (reduced) rent, so let out a room. Kensington rooms are so much in demand that you can rent out a single room in a housing association flat, and you will get twice the amount you pay to the housing association from the tenant. The councils and housing association do not crack down on this because they know that if they evicted all the people who are subletting, then they wouldn't recieve any rent money.Replies: @res
But looking at light rail instead I think your glib theorizing does not really hold up. Here is one article discussing crime at light rail stops. Their interactive map linked at the end is interesting, but would be much better with a graphic indicator of crime visible at the overview level making it easier to compare rates.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/09/10/serious-crimes-happening-on-light-rail-trains-platforms/
Does anyone have a good example of a crime heat map showing light rail stations?
Back to your regularly scheduled data lacking comments filled with missing the point, strawmen, false equivalences, false dichotomies, etc. Carry on.Replies: @Corvinus
“But looking at light rail instead I think your glib theorizing does not really hold up. Here is one article discussing crime at light rail stops.”
I did not state that there was a lack of crime at light rail stops. I specifically asked “what incidents have occurred on a regular basis as a result of high speed rail TO THE SUBURBS?” You provided a link discussing crime rates on two lines in Minneapolis. In looking closer at your link, from 2015, the busiest transit stations crime generally occurs later at night, individuals not paying their fares is a common offense, and more crime is reported on buses than the light-rail line.
There was an update to the story. “Still, the success of the two lines is jeopardized by crime and livability offenses that too often cause alarm among light-rail passengers. Metro Transit Police reported that the number of serious crimes — robberies, threats and assaults — fell from 278 in 2014 to 233 last year. But officials also tracked a significant increase in livability calls for intoxicated riders, passengers sleeping on trains and disorderly conduct.”
Not violent crimes, but crimes nonetheless.
http://www.startribune.com/overall-crime-is-down-but-that-doesn-t-help-transit-riders-feel-safer/410689725
“Back to your regularly scheduled data lacking comments filled with missing the point, strawmen, false equivalences, false dichotomies, etc. Carry on.”
Fake News Story.
But it might actually be worth it for the "noticing" impact.
(the article seems a bit misleading given that this was already planned social housing, but it is hard to make out what the reality is)
Some sample comments:I wonder how they will handle cases of illegal subletting at Grenfell Tower.Replies: @TelfoedJohn
The 68 units were bought for £150,000 each, which seems pretty cheap. House prices have fallen a lot since Brexit, so the developers might be cutting their losses. Also, the units are not as high spec as the luxury flats in the same development.
As for illegal subletting, I would not be surprised if a third of the flats were let to someone else (or a single room was sublet). How do I know this? Because I live in a housing association flat in Kensington. Many tenants cannot afford to pay the (reduced) rent, so let out a room. Kensington rooms are so much in demand that you can rent out a single room in a housing association flat, and you will get twice the amount you pay to the housing association from the tenant. The councils and housing association do not crack down on this because they know that if they evicted all the people who are subletting, then they wouldn’t recieve any rent money.
As for illegal subletting, I would not be surprised if a third of the flats were let to someone else (or a single room was sublet). How do I know this? Because I live in a housing association flat in Kensington. Many tenants cannot afford to pay the (reduced) rent, so let out a room. Kensington rooms are so much in demand that you can rent out a single room in a housing association flat, and you will get twice the amount you pay to the housing association from the tenant. The councils and housing association do not crack down on this because they know that if they evicted all the people who are subletting, then they wouldn't recieve any rent money.Replies: @res
Thanks for the local info. I wonder how close £150,000 is to construction cost or fair market value, and if it’s not close, who is subsidizing it and at what cost? FWIW I am more sympathetic to the idea of illegally subletting a room as you describe than I am to illegally subletting the entire flat at a hefty markup. Any idea how often the latter happens? With the illegal sublets the question becomes who gets the benefit of the replacement housing?
Not sure if you can extrapolate from my neighbours, but of the 10 flats nearest to me, 1 is subletting whole flat, and 3 are subletting a room. Sometimes it’s legal to sublet a room, but if you declare it legally then it gets taxed.