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From the NYT:

Chicago’s Murder Problem
By FORD FESSENDEN and HAEYOUN PARK MAY 27, 2016

There was a time when it looked as if Chicago would follow New York and Los Angeles into a kind of sustained peace. Then progress stalled in 2004, and the city has been through some harrowing years leading up to another alarming spike in homicides this year.

Already embroiled in a crisis over race and police conduct, Chicago now faces a 62 percent increase in homicides. Through mid-May, 216 people have been killed. Shootings also are up 60 percent.

A big factor is that the nice white liberal Democrats of New York defeated five consecutive Democratic candidates for Mayor from 1993 through 2009, instead electing crime-fighters Rudy Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg. You can see Bloomberg’s stop-and-frisk program in the graph below of “Change in Weapons Cases Since 2001.” While there is a lot that the Democratic politicians of Chicago can get away with, what with being Democrats and all, they can’t get away with that.

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Guns Are a Key Difference

People who know both cities say there are some significant differences in policing, especially around the issue of guns.

The homicide rate in Chicago is just a little higher than in New York when guns aren’t involved. But when it comes to shootings, both fatal and not, Chicago stands out, suggesting a level of armed interaction that isn’t happening in New York.

Chicago has a reputation for strict gun laws, and gun rights advocates often point to it as proof that gun regulation doesn’t reduce violence….

And Chicago is more lenient about illegal handguns than New York, prescribing a one-year minimum for possession versus three and a half years in New York. An attempt to match the New York law in 2013 was rejected by the Illinois legislature out of concern for skyrocketing incarceration rates for young black men.

New York also hired a lot more police officers in response to the crime of the 1990s, and, during its stop-and-frisk era of the 2000s, steeply increased gun enforcement.

Bloomberg’s stop-and-frisk is effective gun control: the cops stop young black and Latino men because they don’t like the looks of them, pat them down, and if they are carrying a gun for which they don’t have a permit, off to prison they go. Of course, it’s also a massive violation of civil rights and it’s hard to imagine any less privileged city than New York (or possibly Washington DC) getting away with it for so many years. But more important white people live in NYC than wherever you happen to live, you loser, so the anti-discrimination rules don’t apply to the NYPD to the same extent as they do to your police department.

Chicago’s Police Department, overwhelmed, can respond only to the most serious problems, leaving citizens to feel responsible for their own security, he said.

“Everyone has to establish deterrence on a retail basis,” he said. “People carry guns in public because other people are carrying guns. It’s literally an arms race, a vicious cycle. There are lots of indications that New York City, by taking guns more seriously and hiring more officers, has gotten a lot of guns off the streets, creating a virtuous cycle.”

Another aspect is that stop-and-frisk drives young minority males out of town, first to prison then to less privileged cities where the cops can’t trample on civil rights to the extent they could for 12 years in New York City.

In Chicago, gang disputes are clearly a big part of homicides, said John Hagedorn, a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago who studies Chicago gangs. “But these are not the same kind of disputes as before – they’re more localized disputes.”

Many of Chicago’s gangs have fractured, leading to more violence, said Arthur Lurigio, a criminology professor at Loyola University Chicago. While Latino gangs have remained more hierarchical, black gangs have splintered into small, disparate factions, whose disputes are less over territory and profits, and more over personal insults or shames, often fueled by social media, he said.

The late Gakirah Barnes

… In addition to making threats, individuals at times post their location on social media to prove to rivals that they’re tough, he said.

In one well-known instance, Gakirah Barnes, a Chicago gang member who was rumored to have killed or shot up to 20 rival gang members, referenced an address she frequented on Twitter.

Gakirah was a teenage girl.

In the tweet, provided by Dr. Patton, Ms. Barnes says “Lz,” which has multiple meanings in Chicago gang cultures, including living life, at address number 6347. Later that day, she was shot and killed near the address.

… “The shootings today are more spontaneous over day-to-day humiliations of youthful African-Americans,” he said.

In other words, legalizing drugs wouldn’t do much to stop Chicago blacks from shooting each other so much. They’ve largely been squeezed out of serious drug businesses, such as by the Mexican cartels, so they’re just shooting each other over low-level knuckleheadedness.

Of course, nobody wants to live around people like Gakirah Barnes who can afford not to. So, the places where the Garkirah Barneses live are “segregated,” which gives the NYT something to blame the proliferation of Gakirah Barneses upon besides Garkirah Barnes and her parents, cousins, and friends. It’s the fault of “segregation:”

Crime Persists in Chicago’s Most Segregated Neighborhoods

Whether exacerbated by gangs or guns, though, Chicago’s killings are happening on familiar turf: Its poor, extremely segregated neighborhoods on the South and West Sides. And many say that is Chicago’s real violence issue.

“Where do gangs come from? They tend to take root in the very same neighborhoods that drive these other problems,” said Robert J. Sampson, a professor at Harvard and the author of “Great American City: Chicago and the Enduring Neighborhood Effect.” “You can’t divorce the gang problem from the problem of deep concentrations of poverty.”

“What predicts violent crime rates is concentrated poverty and neighborhood disadvantage, and what determines concentrated poverty is high levels of black segregation combined with high levels of black poverty,” said Douglas S. Massey, a sociology professor at Princeton University.

In Chicago, homicide rates correspond with segregation. While many areas have few or no killings, the South and West Sides are on par with the world’s most dangerous countries, like Brazil and Venezuela, and have been for many years.

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Well, the Austin neighborhood on the West Side (next door to still nearly crime-free Oak Park, IL) was segregated up until Martin Luther King came to Chicago and demanded open housing. Oddly, enough, Austin was basically crime free when it was all white. (So “segregation” is a euphemism for a neighborhood being filled with the dregs of the black race so that nobody else except blacks will live next to them. In contrast, there are completely black neighborhoods in Chicago, like Avalon Park, that are pretty much 100% black but have much lower homicide rates because they are middle class blacks.)

My in-laws, being nice liberal public school teachers and classical musicians, joined a liberal organization devoted to making integration work by promising not to sell out. Three years later, their children had been subjected to three felonies and the value of their two flat had fallen in half. They sold out.

So I guess it’s all their fault that Austin is the way it is.

Anyway, I think there are a few things going on that aren’t being mentioned in the article. First, I don’t think the crack wars of the early 1990s were ever that bad in Chicago, so they didn’t purge Chicago to the same extent of its most violent thugs, as tended to happen in NYC and LA. Also, rent didn’t go up as much in Chicago as in the two larger cities, so the black population has only recently started to fall. Another thing that’s going in NYC that’s kind of subtle is that more middle class West Indian and African blacks are replacing downscale American blacks to a greater extent than in Chicago. Also, there’s some evidence that the number of American black males in NYC is way down due to imprisonment and moving out to avoid stop-and-frisk, but that’s kind of tough to tell because it could be just black men dropping off the grid.

 
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  1. The cops stop young black and Latino men because they don’t like the looks of them, pat them down, and if they are carrying a gun for which they don’t have a permit, off to prison they go.

    How do we know it’s true? It was portrayed this way based on claims by the same sort of people who later whipped up hysteria about racist white cops gunning down black babies. Not the most credible source of information.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I know a couple of retired NYPD, and once had a long conversation with another current NYPD. All serious beat cops in the projects and such in Harlem, Brooklyn and the Bronx who have seen all sorts of shit. They spend a lot of time in these places and develop a knowledge and sources. They definitely did this sort of thing all the time when it was SOP.

    "Don't like the looks of them" means they strike up a conversation with the dude and realize they know his shithead brother or cousin, or he's wearing something that signifies a gang affiliation, or he subconsciously reaches for his stomach to check his piece. If you are a brother wearing a suit and tie or working a real job, they will leave you alone.

    It's definitely a real phenomenon, and as Steve says, certainly a violation of 'civil rights' (not that I care), but it clearly works.

    , @anon
    If the suspect shows indications of a concealed weapon that is probable cause. The libs didn't like the resulting overrepresentation at Rikers so it was stopped.
    , @27 year old
    we know it's true because the crime rate actually plummeted.
    , @anon
    It is true.

    The problem is a lot of people act gangsta to avoid being targeted by them (as they're much more scared of gangstas than the po-leece) so the cops stop 2-3 fake gangstas for every gangsta - hence all the hostility it causes.

    If the gang problem was dealt with properly - by pulling the gangstas out of general population early - then non gangstas wouldn't dress and act gangsta so much and the cops wouldn't stop them so much.

    (after 20 years they can tell the difference but not when they start)

  2. …a Chicago gang member who was rumored to have killed or shot up to 20 rival gang members, …

    Are people like this classified as serial killers?

    “What predicts violent crime rates is concentrated poverty and neighborhood disadvantage, and what determines concentrated poverty is high levels of black segregation combined with high levels of black poverty,”

    “AND high levels of black dysfunction.” FIFY

  3. Not to be overly cold-blooded about it, but who cares? I suspect what Chicago needs is a period of blood letting that wipes out some of the most aggressive and criminal citizens, not unlike what parts of the Middle East are experiencing right now (and which I hope continues for quite some time, provided Europe stops deluding itself about its wonderful refugees).

    As has been pointed out here and many other places, young violent men basically cannot be rehabilitated in most cases – all you can do is take them out of the population via the criminal justice system until they are older and substantially less testosterone-filled. Since we have a political class that is determined not to do that, we’re going to have a lot of intra-black violence, and all the while we’ll get periodic chin-stroking pieces in the WaPo, NYTimes, and so on pinning the problem on “lack of opportunity”, guns, or residential segregation. It’s none of those things of course, but we can’t talk about how the worst parts of black America are enthusiastically outbreeding the middle and upper class parts of that group, so we’re going to be stuck with this problem in perpetuity unless there is a huge cultural shift.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Why not have parole include periodic implants of testosterone blocker chemicals? This Gakirah gal, for example, could have used a more ladylike biochemical balance.
    , @Lugash
    They never wipe each other out. The waring groups just keep at it. Eventually the dominant gang in area starts to take over legit businesses. If you let it fester long enough you get Shrimp Boy Chow and Leland Yee.
    , @anonymous-antimarxist

    It’s none of those things of course, but we can’t talk about how the worst parts of black America are enthusiastically outbreeding the middle and upper class parts of that group,
     
    Good, Folks are starting to see this as a dysgenic reproduction problem as much as it is a crime problem.

    Gakirah Barnes for example was twelve months old when her biological father was killed in a gang shooting in 1997. You see the problem is, with even with a rising murder rate, unless the sociopaths are killing themselves before they have a chance to breed a new generation, even a Stalingrad level of homicide would have little impact on future generations of criminality.

    Assuming Gakirah Barnes' father("sperm donor") had a long rap sheet himself worthy of him being administered a chemical vasectomy as a condition of parole, all this mayhem could have been avoided 15 years later.

    On the bright side, inspite of her allegedly committing 20 or more shootings/killings, Ms Barnes here left no offspring.
    , @Hibernian
    "I suspect what Chicago needs is a period of blood letting that wipes out some of the most aggressive and criminal citizens,..."

    There's a small problem with innocent people getting caught in the crossfire.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    Arclight, Yes "in perpetuity." The thugs not only kill and main each other but dozens of innocent bystanders are killed each year in cities like Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland etc. Last week a 40 something Chicago city employee was killed as she exited a Starbucks. Last year it was a black lady teacher who was killed by a stray bullet while she was at her second job at a realtors office. In Cleveland last year, a five year old boy, a three year old boy and a five month old girl, all black, were killed in drive by shootings. A Buffalo teen age girl, sitting on the floor, leaning against a wall and studying was killed by a stray shot. My point? It can't get any worse than these examples and yet the community tolerates it, otherwise they would be lynching these pieces of shit themselves. I don't see a "huge cultural shift" coming.
    , @KenH

    Since we have a political class that is determined not to do that, we’re going to have a lot of intra-black violence, and all the while we’ll get periodic chin-stroking pieces in the WaPo, NYTimes, and so on pinning the problem on “lack of opportunity”, guns, or residential segregation.
     
    The problem is black African DNA. And the offspring of some of those "good, middle class blacks" also like to like to act all badass and gangsta to honor their blackness and avoid being called an uncle Tom or race sellout. Given that 95% of blacks voted for Hussein Obama Al Baghdadi this would mean middle class blacks voted for Obama just like the ghetto dregs. They also side with their ghetto brethren against the police, so they are a big part of the problem.
  4. @Arclight
    Not to be overly cold-blooded about it, but who cares? I suspect what Chicago needs is a period of blood letting that wipes out some of the most aggressive and criminal citizens, not unlike what parts of the Middle East are experiencing right now (and which I hope continues for quite some time, provided Europe stops deluding itself about its wonderful refugees).

    As has been pointed out here and many other places, young violent men basically cannot be rehabilitated in most cases - all you can do is take them out of the population via the criminal justice system until they are older and substantially less testosterone-filled. Since we have a political class that is determined not to do that, we're going to have a lot of intra-black violence, and all the while we'll get periodic chin-stroking pieces in the WaPo, NYTimes, and so on pinning the problem on "lack of opportunity", guns, or residential segregation. It's none of those things of course, but we can't talk about how the worst parts of black America are enthusiastically outbreeding the middle and upper class parts of that group, so we're going to be stuck with this problem in perpetuity unless there is a huge cultural shift.

    Why not have parole include periodic implants of testosterone blocker chemicals? This Gakirah gal, for example, could have used a more ladylike biochemical balance.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    If I hadn't read your post I would have assumed that young lady was a teenage boy. Used to have a girl like that in my neighborhood in DC - she was a petty thief and sometimes mugger, and would frequently get drunk and offer to fight anyone who was interested. She was was pretty big and very mean, so not many people would mess with her.

    As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal...seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up. Lots of discussion about how it's just another way for the white overclass to undercut black masculinity or some version of that.

    On a somewhat related note, although I am more of a small government person, I would have no problem with free universal long-acting birth control implants for any woman under 35. Maybe even a refundable tax credit for childless women and men of limited means for "personal development" or something like that. It would have to be somewhat large to be a big enough carrot, but if it drove down the out of wedlock birth rate it would be cheaper than what we have now.
    , @BenKenobi
    Shades of Ludovico?

    If our only options to keep these people at a low boil are routine constitutional abuses and chemical mind bending....

    "If that was how Kilgore fought the war, it made me wonder what they had against Kurtz."
  5. The first graph shows a substantial increase in the LA murder rate from 1999 to 2002. Steve, I’m curious, do you know what that was? I see that the NYC rate stalled during that period and the Chicago rate went up a notch.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Ramparts Scandal -- a few black and Hispanic cops in the Ramparts Division were doing very bad things, perhaps in league with Suge Knight. When they got arrested, they rolled over on all the white cops in the Division for drinking beer on the job or whatever, so the media could play it up as a white racism scandal and bring in Federal Oversight. For a more honest portrayal of the Ramparts Scandal, see "Training Day" and "Crash."

    Eventually, the new mayor Jim Hahn fired the black police chief and hired Bill Bratton and he straightened things out.

  6. @Glossy
    The first graph shows a substantial increase in the LA murder rate from 1999 to 2002. Steve, I'm curious, do you know what that was? I see that the NYC rate stalled during that period and the Chicago rate went up a notch.

    Ramparts Scandal — a few black and Hispanic cops in the Ramparts Division were doing very bad things, perhaps in league with Suge Knight. When they got arrested, they rolled over on all the white cops in the Division for drinking beer on the job or whatever, so the media could play it up as a white racism scandal and bring in Federal Oversight. For a more honest portrayal of the Ramparts Scandal, see “Training Day” and “Crash.”

    Eventually, the new mayor Jim Hahn fired the black police chief and hired Bill Bratton and he straightened things out.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Steve,
    'The Guardian' newspaper keeps trying to make a big ruckus about something called 'Homan Square', apparently a covert 'torture center' run by the Chicago PD, in the manner of Abu Ghraib, or so The Guardian would have you believe.

    A lot of nasty people apparently dealt with in a nasty way. Perhaps the uptick in violence is Chicago PD's revenge.
    , @SFG
    Who cleaned up Manhattan, too, and gave my parents a nice place to spend their golden years.

    Man deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom or whatever they give non-military people.
  7. Not to be overly cold-blooded about it, but who cares?

    HUD and Section 8 says you’ll care soon enough

    • Replies: @Arclight
    Obviously there is a risk with Hilary being elected and the Senate flipping that Congress could try to change Section 8 program so that landlords cannot decline to take a voucher or dramatically increase Section 8 appropriations.

    But I suspect that even Dems will come under a lot of pressure from goodwhites if they wanted to force Section 8 on people who own nicer rental properties. They talk a good game but faced with the prospect of a house stuffed with young urban achievers next door and going to the same school as their kids, a lot will find creative reasons for why its best for them to stay in their current communities, close to services, family and friends.
    , @gwynedd1
    Yep. AFFH. They plan on adjusting the subsidy higher for better neighborhoods instead of just a fixed amount. So if a dirt bag wants to live next to you, the government will pay them more.

    The good news is the hood rats will be paying the market price. So at least you can sell out early.
  8. @Steve Sailer
    Why not have parole include periodic implants of testosterone blocker chemicals? This Gakirah gal, for example, could have used a more ladylike biochemical balance.

    If I hadn’t read your post I would have assumed that young lady was a teenage boy. Used to have a girl like that in my neighborhood in DC – she was a petty thief and sometimes mugger, and would frequently get drunk and offer to fight anyone who was interested. She was was pretty big and very mean, so not many people would mess with her.

    As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal…seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up. Lots of discussion about how it’s just another way for the white overclass to undercut black masculinity or some version of that.

    On a somewhat related note, although I am more of a small government person, I would have no problem with free universal long-acting birth control implants for any woman under 35. Maybe even a refundable tax credit for childless women and men of limited means for “personal development” or something like that. It would have to be somewhat large to be a big enough carrot, but if it drove down the out of wedlock birth rate it would be cheaper than what we have now.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    Arclight,

    Read up on Vasalgel/Risug. It is not a hormone inhibitor or "chemical castration". It is a chemical, actually a polymer based, reversible vasectomy.

    Young thugs identified as budding sociopaths could be identified and taken out of the gene pool as a condition of parole.

    If Chicago does not want to lock up the 16 year old known gang banger caught with an illegal gun for 3-5 years, fine, but as a condition of parole take him out of the gene pool for at least 5 years and see if he straightens up or ends up dead. Either way he is out of the gene pool, paying huge dividends 15 years down the road.

    As an added bonus, beta males in the hood capable of holding down a job are more likely to find an acceptable mate who will not saddle them with some violent sperm donor's cuckoo's egg.
    , @Almost Missouri

    "As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal…seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up."
     
    Political palatability could be improved by including an element of choice, e.g., convict can choose early release with hormone adjustment or can just stay in pokey with full sperm count.
    , @SFG
    Thanks, I went and listened to Wendy/Walter Carlos's electronic rendition of the Funeral for Queen Mary with my glass of milk. Made my morning. ;)

    Not being a Christian I agree wholeheartedly--never had a problem with eugenics. Besides, they get to mess around all they want with no consequences. Infinitely more humane.
    , @V Vega

    As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal…seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up.
     
    Ironic that "A Clockwork Orange" was based on the author's wife being gang-raped by a home-invading hoard of black men, back in the day. In the book, he changed the perps race to white, in the movie, Kubrick added having them raping while singing a broadway show tune, creating a bizarre racial self-hatred narrative to beat the band.
  9. O’Hare Airport has 2-10 murders per year??

    • Replies: @Hodag
    The Outfit sometimes puts bodies in car trunks and leave them in Long term parking.
    , @Jeffrey S.
    Although Hodag gave you a delightfully colorful and amusing reply already, I thought I would give you the correct answer to your query.

    The airport in that map is always linked to the community area just to it's east -- that community area might even be called O'Hare. It has homes (mostly condos and apartments) and is generally a safe place to live (the entire northwest side, which is the 16th District) is very safe:

    https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/Communities/Districts/District16

    You can get their crime stats at that website.
  10. @Arclight
    Not to be overly cold-blooded about it, but who cares? I suspect what Chicago needs is a period of blood letting that wipes out some of the most aggressive and criminal citizens, not unlike what parts of the Middle East are experiencing right now (and which I hope continues for quite some time, provided Europe stops deluding itself about its wonderful refugees).

    As has been pointed out here and many other places, young violent men basically cannot be rehabilitated in most cases - all you can do is take them out of the population via the criminal justice system until they are older and substantially less testosterone-filled. Since we have a political class that is determined not to do that, we're going to have a lot of intra-black violence, and all the while we'll get periodic chin-stroking pieces in the WaPo, NYTimes, and so on pinning the problem on "lack of opportunity", guns, or residential segregation. It's none of those things of course, but we can't talk about how the worst parts of black America are enthusiastically outbreeding the middle and upper class parts of that group, so we're going to be stuck with this problem in perpetuity unless there is a huge cultural shift.

    They never wipe each other out. The waring groups just keep at it. Eventually the dominant gang in area starts to take over legit businesses. If you let it fester long enough you get Shrimp Boy Chow and Leland Yee.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    I too am a little skeptical of the blood-letting-will-solve-itself thesis. Besides Lugash's comment, my admittedly unscientific observation is that the high-hormore gang violence goes hand-in-hand with high-hormone teenage procreation. Thus, even as gang bangers off each other, they bang out the next wave of gang bangers fifteen to twenty years down the road.

    Fifteen to twenty years: a ghetto generation. Try keeping up with those demographics with your Farewell-to-Alms, K-Selected, Affordable-Family-Formation demo. In the ghetto, "family" formation is always affordable. Thanks Liberals!

    , @Brohemius
    Anything to divert attention from black crime. The MSM wants you!
  11. @anon

    Not to be overly cold-blooded about it, but who cares?
     
    HUD and Section 8 says you'll care soon enough

    Obviously there is a risk with Hilary being elected and the Senate flipping that Congress could try to change Section 8 program so that landlords cannot decline to take a voucher or dramatically increase Section 8 appropriations.

    But I suspect that even Dems will come under a lot of pressure from goodwhites if they wanted to force Section 8 on people who own nicer rental properties. They talk a good game but faced with the prospect of a house stuffed with young urban achievers next door and going to the same school as their kids, a lot will find creative reasons for why its best for them to stay in their current communities, close to services, family and friends.

    • Replies: @Ed
    Some cities & I believe states already have anti- source of income discrimination laws. These laws make discriminating against voucher holders illegal.

    Also the "super" voucher program is already being implemented in Dallas. This is what Julian Castro has been delegated on his way to becoming Clinton's VP pick.

    Voucher holders are given more in vouchers in order for them to afford more expensive properties in more affluent areas. There's been an uptick in crime in Dallas & in areas which didn't have much of it before. Some are blaming the super voucher holders.

    Chicago recently did this as well but when the press got wind of voucher holders living in $3000 a month lakefront apts the backlash was swift and unrelenting. Chicago housing ended the program and the most of voucher holders will have to move next year with the last leaving in '18.
  12. We need to prohibit guns. You guys need to read Leonard Pitts

    • Replies: @fish

    You guys need to read Leonard Pitts.
     



    Two minutes of my life I'll never get back.
    , @Big Bill
    I believe they are prohibited in Chicago and New York. The problem is they just don't disappear. Worse, criminal gun toters are not sent to prison for several years. Too many black men in jail already.
    , @Otto the P
    A much better plan: prohibit Leonard Pitts.

    That is, prohibit all liberal wussboys with no skin in the game who make a living telling blacks they are uniquely victimized by a delusion called "racism" which justifies their pathology and renders them blameless.

    We also need to prohibit people with IQs under 85, like Tiny Duck
    , @Reg Cæsar

    We need to prohibit guns.
     
    We once did:

    No free negro or mulatto shall be suffered to keep or carry any firelock of any kind, any military weapon, or any powder or lead; and any free negro or mulatto who shall so offend, shall, on conviction before a justice of the peace, forfeit all such arms and ammunition to the use of the informer; and shall moreover be punished with stripes, at the discretion of the justice, not exceeding thirty-nine lashes.

    http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/An_act_to_amend_an_act_entitled_an_act_reducing_into_one_the_several_acts_concerning_slaves_free_negroes_and_mulattoes_and_for_other_purposes_March_15_1832

     

    , @Wizard of Oz
    I don't know about Leonard Pitts and I haven't read the replies to this but it is always seemed screamingly obvious to me that if the US is ever to get the large net benefits available from having the gun laws and gun availability of the UK or Australia, for example, then a step by step process which validates the reasoning behind the previous and therefore the next step is essential. First you aim at the most lethal weapons and at people who couldn't pass character checks. And you say that there will be no further steps until an independent commission of retired judges and cops (or whoever) determine that the previous steps are working in terms of enforceability and in terms of lower gun deaths and injuries after allowing for confounding factors.
  13. If Chicago wants to lower the body count they need more soldiers on the street. Any strategy, be it Stop and Frisk or some other application of Broken Windows relies on a substantial increase in man power to make it effective.

    While on the Post 9/11 tourist circuit (Ground Zero, etc.) one of my most vivid memories is of there being cops EVERYWHERE. Every curb you stepped off of it seemed like there was a group of 3-5 burly guys in blue. Amazingly this did not stop a street vendor from getting in a loud, profanity-laced argument with a customer that rapidly escalated into a shoving match. As we gawked at two grown men wrestling each other on a crowded Manhatten street an officer who bore a striking resemblance to former Ravens DT Tony Siragusa sighed loudly and mutter “you’ve got to be f****** kidding me” and then both guys got swarmed by no fewer than a dozen cops from two directions. I thought the officers were a bit more judicious in the use of their night sticks than I would have been though.

  14. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Chicago had 970 homicides in 1974 and 943 in’92. Population was greater then but still, those were pretty impressive numbers. Medical treatment seems to be better so less shooting victims fall into the homicide category. To date there’s been 1454 shot so far this year, dead and alive. It might just be a generational thing, every twenty years or so the young-bloods go through their fertility rites and have it out. Having an equalizer lets a 145 pounder into the mix with the rest of them. It’ll burn itself out when they get their fill of it until the next round of up-and-comers come knocking. It’s a black thang anyway, you wouldn’t understand.

  15. @Tiny Duck
    We need to prohibit guns. You guys need to read Leonard Pitts

    You guys need to read Leonard Pitts.

    Two minutes of my life I’ll never get back.

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
    Pitts is the racist's racist. He and his ilk are the reason that the Miami Herald is going broke.
  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @inertial

    The cops stop young black and Latino men because they don’t like the looks of them, pat them down, and if they are carrying a gun for which they don’t have a permit, off to prison they go.
     
    How do we know it's true? It was portrayed this way based on claims by the same sort of people who later whipped up hysteria about racist white cops gunning down black babies. Not the most credible source of information.

    I know a couple of retired NYPD, and once had a long conversation with another current NYPD. All serious beat cops in the projects and such in Harlem, Brooklyn and the Bronx who have seen all sorts of shit. They spend a lot of time in these places and develop a knowledge and sources. They definitely did this sort of thing all the time when it was SOP.

    “Don’t like the looks of them” means they strike up a conversation with the dude and realize they know his shithead brother or cousin, or he’s wearing something that signifies a gang affiliation, or he subconsciously reaches for his stomach to check his piece. If you are a brother wearing a suit and tie or working a real job, they will leave you alone.

    It’s definitely a real phenomenon, and as Steve says, certainly a violation of ‘civil rights’ (not that I care), but it clearly works.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Right. And in the bad old days, the cops would occasionally take these morons down to the station house and beat the crap out of them to teach them a lesson. Repeat when necessary. Can't do that anymore, because Raaaaacism.
    , @Olorin
    You made exactly the points I was going to.

    DWLs and SJWs and (((others))) constantly suggest that LE get dropped in by sky-crane from another planet or dimension.

    No intelligence, no prior experience or memory in place, no records, no families prone to following certain lines of "work" or behavior, no established hardwired behaviors/reactions that affirm or violate standards.

    Just Robocop dropped in the middle of passels of nine-year-old Trayvons. No history (except ones fabricated by T. Genius Coates and Alex Haley). No families (not even the noble African American Family invoked in hushed tones though never observed in real life) or networks of friends. And no chance whatever that the precious melanist is very likely up to getting what they can by force and brutality, as their sub-mean IQ and supra-mean aggressiveness predispose them.
  17. Chicago’s main problems are absurd levels of corruption blended with incompetence.

    And Chicago is more lenient about illegal handguns than New York, prescribing a one-year minimum for possession versus three and a half years in New York. An attempt to match the New York law in 2013 was rejected by the Illinois legislature out of concern for skyrocketing incarceration rates for young black men.

    Yes, incarcerating young black criminals, who have a practical monopoly on gun violations, would be a real crime against humanity, wouldn’t it?

    If only the City of Chicago would show the public how few of their criminals of color are actually charged with firearms violations. Liberals are always crying about firearms “loopholes” but here is a massive “loophole” that they studiously ignore. Law abiding, white gun owners make them nervous, but Shitavious and Le’Genius get a pass, because racism.

    So, liberals can always (indirectly) use Shitavious and Le’Genius to make the case for “gun control”. Ghetto violence is a very useful tool for the progressives.

    New York also hired a lot more police officers in response to the crime of the 1990s…

    Chicago PD is understaffed, riddled with affirmative corruption, infiltrated by criminal gangs, and, subject to the Ferguson Effect, prone to “de-policing”.

    There are some great guys on the job. But unfortunately, that is not enough.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    Chicago PD is understaffed, riddled with affirmative corruption, infiltrated by criminal gangs, and, subject to the Ferguson Effect, prone to “de-policing”.
    There are some great guys on the job. But unfortunately, that is not enough.
     
    Yes, this is also why hiring more cops, which is what many are calling for, will do little or nothing. New hires are top-heavy with affirmative types; homosexuals, useless women, low-competency blacks and so on. Cops are expensive public employees yet nowadays many just aren't cost-effective.
    , @anon

    Chicago’s main problems are absurd levels of corruption blended with incompetence.
     
    Yes, this is what makes me wonder if their paramedics are the same.

    #

    various: let them kill each other
     
    The bad guys don't want a solution as the current dystopia is too useful for their anti-white narrative - all the excess murder and rape that could be fixed is just collateral damage to them.
  18. The obvious thing to do, instead of the silly first map, would be to just measure concentrations of black people. I bet it would match up with the second map quite well.

  19. @inertial

    The cops stop young black and Latino men because they don’t like the looks of them, pat them down, and if they are carrying a gun for which they don’t have a permit, off to prison they go.
     
    How do we know it's true? It was portrayed this way based on claims by the same sort of people who later whipped up hysteria about racist white cops gunning down black babies. Not the most credible source of information.

    If the suspect shows indications of a concealed weapon that is probable cause. The libs didn’t like the resulting overrepresentation at Rikers so it was stopped.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Surely there must be portable metal detectors which are reliable enough to give cause for frisking after a casual approach along the sidewalk gives the signal.
  20. @Tiny Duck
    We need to prohibit guns. You guys need to read Leonard Pitts

    I believe they are prohibited in Chicago and New York. The problem is they just don’t disappear. Worse, criminal gun toters are not sent to prison for several years. Too many black men in jail already.

  21. Chicago’s murder rate increased after 2004 was caused caused by the illegal midnight destruction of Miegs field. This kind of behavior only encourages violent crime. If the pig faced leader and his gang were arrested for the many crimes he committed that night, street gangs would flee the city because they could not function. Many of the crimes committed that night have no statue of limitations. There is still a chance.

  22. Steve, I think you are missing the great drama of our time. The collision between BLM and the De Blasio Administration, committed to letting Shitavious and the like do their thing, unmolested by cops, making NYC into a remake of a Snake Plissken movie, and the massive amounts of Chinese and Russian Oligarch money that dumped assets into real estate to protect it from people like Putin and Xi back home.

    Now, if they were AMERICAN billionaires, well they’d just roll over and take it because their social networks and social approval would matter most. Its not as if Obama will suddenly take all their money. But Putin? Xi? The money matters and what does a Chinese or Russian billionaire care about the Atlantic or NYT? Much less parties they don’t go to? Those types are more interested in making it rain in a club than some swanky salon with the glitterati. And their money will always get them into celeb places.

    Dems bet it all on Black voters, they are the core and surprise surprise as Gomer Pyle said, said voters don’t like their criminal relatives getting locked up. Particularly since violence is the key to a young Black man providing grand kids and such to proud parents. Black violence is as understandable as any hunter-gatherer violence in service of status and sex: see the Amazonian tribes and those in Borneo. About 48% of 84% Black Detroit adults can’t read. Why would they? How does that help in getting sex and having kids in the Detroit Ghetto?

    Meanwhile Chinese and Russian big money is not going to sit quietly while their investments erode away. Serious money is at stake.

    Long term, I don’t think cities are compatible even a tiny bit with Diversity and such. The rich will simply move out to places like the Hamptons, and telecommute or something. Places like NYC will simply turn into Mega City One from Judge Dredd. The Chinese and Russians will fight valiantly but the tide of relying on Black (and also Hispanic) votes is simply too high.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Without competing to forecast the distant future I think you are wrong about cities and diversity as a general proposition. London e.g. thrives and according to a close female relation there with two teenage daughters it is great because of its diversity. Of course it doesn't have the American problem of slavery and its aftermath or the self-interested indulgence of Latino immigration from the Americas. Those are probably the key causal differences.
  23. @Tiny Duck
    We need to prohibit guns. You guys need to read Leonard Pitts

    A much better plan: prohibit Leonard Pitts.

    That is, prohibit all liberal wussboys with no skin in the game who make a living telling blacks they are uniquely victimized by a delusion called “racism” which justifies their pathology and renders them blameless.

    We also need to prohibit people with IQs under 85, like Tiny Duck

  24. @Steve Sailer
    Why not have parole include periodic implants of testosterone blocker chemicals? This Gakirah gal, for example, could have used a more ladylike biochemical balance.

    Shades of Ludovico?

    If our only options to keep these people at a low boil are routine constitutional abuses and chemical mind bending….

    “If that was how Kilgore fought the war, it made me wonder what they had against Kurtz.”

  25. Seventy years after they pushed out of their cradle, we are still dealing with the after affects of the Great Migration to the northern cities. At least the radiation in the soil of Hiroshima has a half-life.

    Personally I think the city of Chicago is intellectually bankrupt and incapable of developing new, creative ways to retard and contain the Mondays. Limousine liberals and their cousins who live outside of the range of urban blight will always find a way to decry our “city management” policies as being racist. It is up to us to continue to concoct new schemes.

    Unfortunately, and to the detriment of the less wealthy people outside of Chicago, the city has jettisoned it’s problem to other locales. And the spikes in crime are telling.

    Though I must add that if contemporary economists were around during the Great Migration, they would be forecasting the great economics of the movement. Europe, your future looks like American cities in the 1960s and 1970s. Sorry.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  26. I think the city of Chicago is intellectually bankrupt…

    They say Florida is California without ideas. You make Chicago sound like New York City’s version of this.

  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Can you imagine the insult some of those ‘macho’ plastic hard men gangbangers must feel over being killed by a woman?

    Sorry, but I just find the whole lot of them pathetic as well as being an evil damned nuisance.
    Put it this way, the Libyan jihadists could clear up the whole lot of them – sideways shot magnums and all – in a single afternoon, and have them squealing for mercy.

    They think that they are as ‘tough as shit’, many white Americans have been cowed into thinking likewise, but if Americans got out of their cossetted privileged comfort blanket homeland, and had to experience real hard men, then I predict that the gangbangers would fold like wet paper bags.

  28. ““What predicts violent crime rates is concentrated poverty and neighborhood disadvantage, and what determines concentrated poverty is high levels of black segregation combined with high levels of black poverty,”

    So Blacks need to have White next door neighbors in order to stop behaving like savages.

    White people have magic feet. Any dirt that comes in contact with White feet turns into magic dirt.

    There is not enough White feet touching the dirt on the Southside of Chicago, so the dirt there can not prosper.

  29. Ed says:
    @Arclight
    Obviously there is a risk with Hilary being elected and the Senate flipping that Congress could try to change Section 8 program so that landlords cannot decline to take a voucher or dramatically increase Section 8 appropriations.

    But I suspect that even Dems will come under a lot of pressure from goodwhites if they wanted to force Section 8 on people who own nicer rental properties. They talk a good game but faced with the prospect of a house stuffed with young urban achievers next door and going to the same school as their kids, a lot will find creative reasons for why its best for them to stay in their current communities, close to services, family and friends.

    Some cities & I believe states already have anti- source of income discrimination laws. These laws make discriminating against voucher holders illegal.

    Also the “super” voucher program is already being implemented in Dallas. This is what Julian Castro has been delegated on his way to becoming Clinton’s VP pick.

    Voucher holders are given more in vouchers in order for them to afford more expensive properties in more affluent areas. There’s been an uptick in crime in Dallas & in areas which didn’t have much of it before. Some are blaming the super voucher holders.

    Chicago recently did this as well but when the press got wind of voucher holders living in $3000 a month lakefront apts the backlash was swift and unrelenting. Chicago housing ended the program and the most of voucher holders will have to move next year with the last leaving in ’18.

    • Replies: @Hodag
    The super voucher program is small and mostly given to friends and relatives of Chicago Housing Authority employees and politicians.
    , @V Vega

    Some cities & I believe states already have anti- source of income discrimination laws. These laws make discriminating against voucher holders illegal.
     
    The legislative "forcing" of landlords to take section 8er's is just for show. No teeth to it. Easy to work around.

    That is, we're never going to see Jabari and Shaqueequee walk into a rental office with a section 8 voucher and a credit report over 600.

    For intelligent landlords renting higher end properties and being approached by black section 8er's, dependably hellacious credit reports are a feature, not a bug.

    Landlords dumb enough to overlook it once or twice, won't do it again.

    Until the Feds somehow manage a way to force landlords of higher end properties to accept section 8er's shittious credit reports, ain't nothing to see here. Move along.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    Chicago housing ended the program and the most of voucher holders will have to move next year...
     
    ...to Rockford.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Are all the lawyers with any ingenuity practising tax or IP law? Surely a landlord who didn't like the vouchered customers could include stringent (for example) surveillance terms in the lease and allow a (cash) premium to be paid together with something collateral like guarantees in order to waive all such terms.
  30. “In other words, legalizing drugs wouldn’t do much to stop Chicago blacks from shooting each other so much.”

    Legalizing all drugs also wouldn’t do anything to stop interracial Black on White violence like the Knoxville massacre, polar bear hunting, and Spring Break gang rape for example.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    Unless the legalized drug has a impulse controlling side effect, legalizing drugs will not dampen ghetto violence.

    The only such controlled substance once popular in the ghetto was promethazine, the prescription antihistamine cough syrup that is also a weak antipsychotic and sedative.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promethazine

    Promethazine was used in homemade concoctions called "lean" or "purple drank" in order to "chill" after a long night of partying involving coke and/or meth and help cope with narcotic dope sickness.

    However, it may not just be illegal drugs that are an issue.

    In the cases of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown it was over the counter DXM cough syrup combined with strong pot that likely caused a strong dissociative and even psychosis inducing high similar to PCP.

    Remember Trayvon was drinking skittles and Arizona Ice Tea brand Watermelon Juice, a popular recipe for mixing with the robotussin (aka robotripping) sold in mass quantities in every convenience store in the hood. Trayvon's autopsy did not test for DXM but it did show high levels of THC in his blood.
  31. Ed says:

    Another thing that’s going in NYC that’s kind of subtle is that more middle class West Indian and African blacks are replacing downscale American blacks to a greater extent than in Chicago

    I think this is driving much of the disparity. I read awhile ago that black immigrants & their kids make up the majority of the black population in NY. The cultures of black immigrants isn’t as far gone as USA Blacks, although I will say Caribbean immigrants in NYC do have a crime problem. The rapper involved in the recent shooting at Union Sq is of Guyanese origin. Bobby Shmurda, a rapper facing decades in prison on gang charges, is of Jamaican heritage.

    Chicago got stuck with much of the plantation underclass from the Deep South states, especially Mississippi. Here’s an old Atlantic article that picks up on the nuances among Chicago’s black population.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/poverty/origin1.htm

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The cultures of black immigrants isn’t as far gone as USA Blacks,"

    The South Bronx would disagree.
    , @IBC
    Very good article. The data presented raises serious questions about some of Charles Murray's conclusions on the relationship between welfare and social disfunction, at least among black Chicagoans. It'd be interesting to see the corresponding numbers for other cities like Milwaukee, or Gary, Indiana. Also, if the article's other conclusions are correct, do policy honchos like Mayor Emanuel, have a plan to more effectively assimilate Chicago's black underclass once they've been dispersed from the ghetto and resettled in other parts of Illinois?
    , @Stealth
    I haven't known of too many black populations that don't have big problems with crime.
  32. “Gakirah was a teenage girl.”

  33. @International Jew
    O'Hare Airport has 2-10 murders per year??

    The Outfit sometimes puts bodies in car trunks and leave them in Long term parking.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  34. @Ed
    Some cities & I believe states already have anti- source of income discrimination laws. These laws make discriminating against voucher holders illegal.

    Also the "super" voucher program is already being implemented in Dallas. This is what Julian Castro has been delegated on his way to becoming Clinton's VP pick.

    Voucher holders are given more in vouchers in order for them to afford more expensive properties in more affluent areas. There's been an uptick in crime in Dallas & in areas which didn't have much of it before. Some are blaming the super voucher holders.

    Chicago recently did this as well but when the press got wind of voucher holders living in $3000 a month lakefront apts the backlash was swift and unrelenting. Chicago housing ended the program and the most of voucher holders will have to move next year with the last leaving in '18.

    The super voucher program is small and mostly given to friends and relatives of Chicago Housing Authority employees and politicians.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Not surprising.
  35. So if blacks want to shoot blacks. Let them get on with it. They are Obama s sons, they wwill never take responsibility for anything ever. They all need to be shipped back to Africa,

  36. @inertial

    The cops stop young black and Latino men because they don’t like the looks of them, pat them down, and if they are carrying a gun for which they don’t have a permit, off to prison they go.
     
    How do we know it's true? It was portrayed this way based on claims by the same sort of people who later whipped up hysteria about racist white cops gunning down black babies. Not the most credible source of information.

    we know it’s true because the crime rate actually plummeted.

  37. As long as you’re linking yourself, Mr. Sailer, you forgot this one: http://www.vdare.com/posts/university-of-chicago-pd-the-racially-profiling-private-army-that-kept-barack-and-michelle-safe-in-Chicago Sure enough, Hyde Park is one of the grey areas …

  38. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Escape from Chicagoland
    Chicago's main problems are absurd levels of corruption blended with incompetence.

    And Chicago is more lenient about illegal handguns than New York, prescribing a one-year minimum for possession versus three and a half years in New York. An attempt to match the New York law in 2013 was rejected by the Illinois legislature out of concern for skyrocketing incarceration rates for young black men.
     
    Yes, incarcerating young black criminals, who have a practical monopoly on gun violations, would be a real crime against humanity, wouldn't it?

    If only the City of Chicago would show the public how few of their criminals of color are actually charged with firearms violations. Liberals are always crying about firearms "loopholes" but here is a massive "loophole" that they studiously ignore. Law abiding, white gun owners make them nervous, but Shitavious and Le'Genius get a pass, because racism.

    So, liberals can always (indirectly) use Shitavious and Le'Genius to make the case for "gun control". Ghetto violence is a very useful tool for the progressives.

    New York also hired a lot more police officers in response to the crime of the 1990s...
     
    Chicago PD is understaffed, riddled with affirmative corruption, infiltrated by criminal gangs, and, subject to the Ferguson Effect, prone to "de-policing".

    There are some great guys on the job. But unfortunately, that is not enough.

    Chicago PD is understaffed, riddled with affirmative corruption, infiltrated by criminal gangs, and, subject to the Ferguson Effect, prone to “de-policing”.
    There are some great guys on the job. But unfortunately, that is not enough.

    Yes, this is also why hiring more cops, which is what many are calling for, will do little or nothing. New hires are top-heavy with affirmative types; homosexuals, useless women, low-competency blacks and so on. Cops are expensive public employees yet nowadays many just aren’t cost-effective.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, having lived in NYC I can say that many of the cops there are from multigenerational families in law enforcement. The quality of police officer is fairly high in comparison to other cities where affirmative action has beeen systematic in the selection and hiring.

    That being said, I think a lot of the violence can be attributed to Obama and his lackluster stance on negro crime. If Trump does win I think we can expect a harsher environment on inner city blacks.
  39. @Ed
    Some cities & I believe states already have anti- source of income discrimination laws. These laws make discriminating against voucher holders illegal.

    Also the "super" voucher program is already being implemented in Dallas. This is what Julian Castro has been delegated on his way to becoming Clinton's VP pick.

    Voucher holders are given more in vouchers in order for them to afford more expensive properties in more affluent areas. There's been an uptick in crime in Dallas & in areas which didn't have much of it before. Some are blaming the super voucher holders.

    Chicago recently did this as well but when the press got wind of voucher holders living in $3000 a month lakefront apts the backlash was swift and unrelenting. Chicago housing ended the program and the most of voucher holders will have to move next year with the last leaving in '18.

    Some cities & I believe states already have anti- source of income discrimination laws. These laws make discriminating against voucher holders illegal.

    The legislative “forcing” of landlords to take section 8er’s is just for show. No teeth to it. Easy to work around.

    That is, we’re never going to see Jabari and Shaqueequee walk into a rental office with a section 8 voucher and a credit report over 600.

    For intelligent landlords renting higher end properties and being approached by black section 8er’s, dependably hellacious credit reports are a feature, not a bug.

    Landlords dumb enough to overlook it once or twice, won’t do it again.

    Until the Feds somehow manage a way to force landlords of higher end properties to accept section 8er’s shittious credit reports, ain’t nothing to see here. Move along.

  40. @Ed

    Another thing that’s going in NYC that’s kind of subtle is that more middle class West Indian and African blacks are replacing downscale American blacks to a greater extent than in Chicago
     
    I think this is driving much of the disparity. I read awhile ago that black immigrants & their kids make up the majority of the black population in NY. The cultures of black immigrants isn't as far gone as USA Blacks, although I will say Caribbean immigrants in NYC do have a crime problem. The rapper involved in the recent shooting at Union Sq is of Guyanese origin. Bobby Shmurda, a rapper facing decades in prison on gang charges, is of Jamaican heritage.

    Chicago got stuck with much of the plantation underclass from the Deep South states, especially Mississippi. Here's an old Atlantic article that picks up on the nuances among Chicago's black population.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/poverty/origin1.htm

    “The cultures of black immigrants isn’t as far gone as USA Blacks,”

    The South Bronx would disagree.

  41. The New York Times says racial segregation causes murder, so does that mean there are a lot of murders in Boulder, Colorado where Whites live in a Whitopia bubble and are largely segregated from Blacks?

  42. The truth about Chicago’s crime rates:

    http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/May-2014/Chicago-crime-rates/

    There’s more:

    “Only seven of more than 500 nonfatal shooting incidents (about 1.4 percent) and 24 of 143 homicides (16.7 percent) in the first three months of 2016 have led to an arrest”

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-violence-spiked-and-arrests-declined-in-chicago-right-after-the-laquan-mcdonald-video-release/

    • Replies: @Boomstick
    This skews the percentage of murder and shootings attributed to Blacks, btw. The usual rule of thumb is about half the murders in the US are committed by Blacks. But the clearance rate for Black urban homicides is low, and they aren't binned into "done by a Black" because there's no proof about who did it. Maybe it was those thrill killers Buffy and Chip from Greenwich. Chicago alone likely had around 300 Black offender homicides not attributed to a Black offender. That's enough by itself to bump up the overall percentage of homicides committed by Blacks a couple percentage points. There are similar clearance rate issues in other cities.

    White murders tend to be domestic violence, and the clearance rate for those is very high.
  43. @Arclight
    Not to be overly cold-blooded about it, but who cares? I suspect what Chicago needs is a period of blood letting that wipes out some of the most aggressive and criminal citizens, not unlike what parts of the Middle East are experiencing right now (and which I hope continues for quite some time, provided Europe stops deluding itself about its wonderful refugees).

    As has been pointed out here and many other places, young violent men basically cannot be rehabilitated in most cases - all you can do is take them out of the population via the criminal justice system until they are older and substantially less testosterone-filled. Since we have a political class that is determined not to do that, we're going to have a lot of intra-black violence, and all the while we'll get periodic chin-stroking pieces in the WaPo, NYTimes, and so on pinning the problem on "lack of opportunity", guns, or residential segregation. It's none of those things of course, but we can't talk about how the worst parts of black America are enthusiastically outbreeding the middle and upper class parts of that group, so we're going to be stuck with this problem in perpetuity unless there is a huge cultural shift.

    It’s none of those things of course, but we can’t talk about how the worst parts of black America are enthusiastically outbreeding the middle and upper class parts of that group,

    Good, Folks are starting to see this as a dysgenic reproduction problem as much as it is a crime problem.

    Gakirah Barnes for example was twelve months old when her biological father was killed in a gang shooting in 1997. You see the problem is, with even with a rising murder rate, unless the sociopaths are killing themselves before they have a chance to breed a new generation, even a Stalingrad level of homicide would have little impact on future generations of criminality.

    Assuming Gakirah Barnes’ father(“sperm donor”) had a long rap sheet himself worthy of him being administered a chemical vasectomy as a condition of parole, all this mayhem could have been avoided 15 years later.

    On the bright side, inspite of her allegedly committing 20 or more shootings/killings, Ms Barnes here left no offspring.

    • Replies: @schmenz
    "a Stalingrad level of homicide"

    That line in the context in which it was used has had me laughing for about twenty minutes. Just great.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Assuming Gakirah Barnes’ father(“sperm donor”)
     
    Careful! Lesbians and "single mothers by choice" really, really hate it when you use the term that way:

    http://community.babycenter.com/post/a29946921/sperm_donordeadbeat_daddy
  44. @Jefferson
    "In other words, legalizing drugs wouldn’t do much to stop Chicago blacks from shooting each other so much."

    Legalizing all drugs also wouldn't do anything to stop interracial Black on White violence like the Knoxville massacre, polar bear hunting, and Spring Break gang rape for example.

    Unless the legalized drug has a impulse controlling side effect, legalizing drugs will not dampen ghetto violence.

    The only such controlled substance once popular in the ghetto was promethazine, the prescription antihistamine cough syrup that is also a weak antipsychotic and sedative.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promethazine

    Promethazine was used in homemade concoctions called “lean” or “purple drank” in order to “chill” after a long night of partying involving coke and/or meth and help cope with narcotic dope sickness.

    However, it may not just be illegal drugs that are an issue.

    In the cases of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown it was over the counter DXM cough syrup combined with strong pot that likely caused a strong dissociative and even psychosis inducing high similar to PCP.

    Remember Trayvon was drinking skittles and Arizona Ice Tea brand Watermelon Juice, a popular recipe for mixing with the robotussin (aka robotripping) sold in mass quantities in every convenience store in the hood. Trayvon’s autopsy did not test for DXM but it did show high levels of THC in his blood.

  45. There was a 1990s television show called Family Matters, which was filmed in front of a live studio audience in Burbank, but Chicago was the fictional setting of the show.

    On the show they portray Chicago as being a very racially integrated city. There is an episode where Steve Urkel and Laura Winslow visit a ghetto urban inner city high school in Chicago and it is a diverse mix of White Wiggers, Blacks, Mestizos, and lower working class Gran Torino type Asians. It was very unrealistic, because in real life such a school would be Black as hell as in Detroit public school level Black.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    visit a ghetto urban inner city high school in Chicago and it is a diverse mix of White Wiggers, Blacks, Mestizos, and lower working class Gran Torino type Asians. It was very unrealistic...
     
    ...for Chicago. It sounds a lot like Harding Senior High in St Paul, though, if you add some (feather) Indians:

    http://public-schools.startclass.com/l/50062/Harding-Senior-High
    http://www.publicschoolreview.com/harding-senior-high-school-profile

    Don't let the 52% Asian figure fool you-- our Asian population is as internally diverse as our white. And not always into the "model minority" thing:

    http://www.twincities.com/2015/10/23/st-paul-student-had-gun-at-harding-out-of-gang-fears-he-says/
  46. @Arclight
    If I hadn't read your post I would have assumed that young lady was a teenage boy. Used to have a girl like that in my neighborhood in DC - she was a petty thief and sometimes mugger, and would frequently get drunk and offer to fight anyone who was interested. She was was pretty big and very mean, so not many people would mess with her.

    As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal...seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up. Lots of discussion about how it's just another way for the white overclass to undercut black masculinity or some version of that.

    On a somewhat related note, although I am more of a small government person, I would have no problem with free universal long-acting birth control implants for any woman under 35. Maybe even a refundable tax credit for childless women and men of limited means for "personal development" or something like that. It would have to be somewhat large to be a big enough carrot, but if it drove down the out of wedlock birth rate it would be cheaper than what we have now.

    Arclight,

    Read up on Vasalgel/Risug. It is not a hormone inhibitor or “chemical castration”. It is a chemical, actually a polymer based, reversible vasectomy.

    Young thugs identified as budding sociopaths could be identified and taken out of the gene pool as a condition of parole.

    If Chicago does not want to lock up the 16 year old known gang banger caught with an illegal gun for 3-5 years, fine, but as a condition of parole take him out of the gene pool for at least 5 years and see if he straightens up or ends up dead. Either way he is out of the gene pool, paying huge dividends 15 years down the road.

    As an added bonus, beta males in the hood capable of holding down a job are more likely to find an acceptable mate who will not saddle them with some violent sperm donor’s cuckoo’s egg.

  47. @Arclight
    If I hadn't read your post I would have assumed that young lady was a teenage boy. Used to have a girl like that in my neighborhood in DC - she was a petty thief and sometimes mugger, and would frequently get drunk and offer to fight anyone who was interested. She was was pretty big and very mean, so not many people would mess with her.

    As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal...seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up. Lots of discussion about how it's just another way for the white overclass to undercut black masculinity or some version of that.

    On a somewhat related note, although I am more of a small government person, I would have no problem with free universal long-acting birth control implants for any woman under 35. Maybe even a refundable tax credit for childless women and men of limited means for "personal development" or something like that. It would have to be somewhat large to be a big enough carrot, but if it drove down the out of wedlock birth rate it would be cheaper than what we have now.

    “As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal…seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up.”

    Political palatability could be improved by including an element of choice, e.g., convict can choose early release with hormone adjustment or can just stay in pokey with full sperm count.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    No hormone treatment of teenage and young adult men will be without likely side affects or long term consequences. Nor would chemical castration be acceptable.

    Again read up on Vasalgel/Risug, it is a chemical/polymer based reversible vasectomy that can be used to remove likely violent sociopathic young men from the gene pool until that time as adults they can prove they are no longer a menace as a condition for shorter periods of incarceration or receipt of welfare benefits.

    Young men could insure protection of their future paternity prospects by banking their own semen.
    The cost of sperm banking for 5 years is between $1000 to $1500 for five years. Far less than keeping an inmate in jail for just one month.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+sperm+banking&oq=cost+of+sperm+banking&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.12620j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    In case of failure to reverse chemical vasectomy, artificial insemination is still between $500 to $1000. Cheap!!! when compared to possibly bring another generation of violent gang banger into this world.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+human+artificial+insemination&oq=cost+oif+human+artifical+in&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.12305j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Left wing groups have been calling for a safe and effect male contraception for decades, Vasalgel is likely the best bet.

    Steve Sailer and others on this blog get fixated on the possibility of testosterone suppressing treatments. But would it not be better as a first step to at least campaign against the idiocy that is the gangsta rap promotion of Robotripping, the abuse of DXM + high graded pot as the poor man's PCP?
  48. @Lugash
    They never wipe each other out. The waring groups just keep at it. Eventually the dominant gang in area starts to take over legit businesses. If you let it fester long enough you get Shrimp Boy Chow and Leland Yee.

    I too am a little skeptical of the blood-letting-will-solve-itself thesis. Besides Lugash’s comment, my admittedly unscientific observation is that the high-hormore gang violence goes hand-in-hand with high-hormone teenage procreation. Thus, even as gang bangers off each other, they bang out the next wave of gang bangers fifteen to twenty years down the road.

    Fifteen to twenty years: a ghetto generation. Try keeping up with those demographics with your Farewell-to-Alms, K-Selected, Affordable-Family-Formation demo. In the ghetto, “family” formation is always affordable. Thanks Liberals!

  49. The problem here is that dealing effectively with large numbers of feral blacks requires fascistic policing and gross violations of the Bill of Rights.

    “Stop and frisk” in New York City is a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment; the so-called “probable cause” the cops cite is always flimsy and contrived — if they have any probable cause at all.

    New York and Chicago also trample on the Second Amendment in ways worse than some foreign countries. In Chicago, it was 100% illegal to own a handgun, even on private property, from 1977 to 2010, when the Supreme Court declared the law unconstitutional. Since then the courts have forced Chicago to allow people to by handguns, but the time, cost, and bureaucratic grief you have to go through still makes it virtually impossible. Same thing in New York — the permit process is designed to disqualify 95%+ of the applicants. (And we’re talking about only the ability to have a gun in your home — getting permission to carry it is an entirely different, and more difficult, matter).

    So in order to deal with homicidal blacks, urban, “liberal” governments have decided to destroy everybody’s civil rights. Perhaps the Old South had it right, after all — civil rights are for white people, not blacks.

    • Replies: @anon

    The problem here is that dealing effectively with large numbers of feral blacks requires fascistic policing and gross violations of the Bill of Rights.
     
    A lot of it could be fixed by reversing one aspect of criminal justice policy - giving youngsters endless second chances.

    All that does is give them more rep to scare people with and increase their reproductive success.

    Pull them out of circulation early.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    You seem to know what you are talking about. Why can't cops use portable metal detectors which give them probable cause for a search after walking close to suspected pedestrians?
  50. @Anonymous
    I know a couple of retired NYPD, and once had a long conversation with another current NYPD. All serious beat cops in the projects and such in Harlem, Brooklyn and the Bronx who have seen all sorts of shit. They spend a lot of time in these places and develop a knowledge and sources. They definitely did this sort of thing all the time when it was SOP.

    "Don't like the looks of them" means they strike up a conversation with the dude and realize they know his shithead brother or cousin, or he's wearing something that signifies a gang affiliation, or he subconsciously reaches for his stomach to check his piece. If you are a brother wearing a suit and tie or working a real job, they will leave you alone.

    It's definitely a real phenomenon, and as Steve says, certainly a violation of 'civil rights' (not that I care), but it clearly works.

    Right. And in the bad old days, the cops would occasionally take these morons down to the station house and beat the crap out of them to teach them a lesson. Repeat when necessary. Can’t do that anymore, because Raaaaacism.

  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Ramparts Scandal -- a few black and Hispanic cops in the Ramparts Division were doing very bad things, perhaps in league with Suge Knight. When they got arrested, they rolled over on all the white cops in the Division for drinking beer on the job or whatever, so the media could play it up as a white racism scandal and bring in Federal Oversight. For a more honest portrayal of the Ramparts Scandal, see "Training Day" and "Crash."

    Eventually, the new mayor Jim Hahn fired the black police chief and hired Bill Bratton and he straightened things out.

    Steve,
    ‘The Guardian’ newspaper keeps trying to make a big ruckus about something called ‘Homan Square’, apparently a covert ‘torture center’ run by the Chicago PD, in the manner of Abu Ghraib, or so The Guardian would have you believe.

    A lot of nasty people apparently dealt with in a nasty way. Perhaps the uptick in violence is Chicago PD’s revenge.

  52. @Arclight
    Not to be overly cold-blooded about it, but who cares? I suspect what Chicago needs is a period of blood letting that wipes out some of the most aggressive and criminal citizens, not unlike what parts of the Middle East are experiencing right now (and which I hope continues for quite some time, provided Europe stops deluding itself about its wonderful refugees).

    As has been pointed out here and many other places, young violent men basically cannot be rehabilitated in most cases - all you can do is take them out of the population via the criminal justice system until they are older and substantially less testosterone-filled. Since we have a political class that is determined not to do that, we're going to have a lot of intra-black violence, and all the while we'll get periodic chin-stroking pieces in the WaPo, NYTimes, and so on pinning the problem on "lack of opportunity", guns, or residential segregation. It's none of those things of course, but we can't talk about how the worst parts of black America are enthusiastically outbreeding the middle and upper class parts of that group, so we're going to be stuck with this problem in perpetuity unless there is a huge cultural shift.

    “I suspect what Chicago needs is a period of blood letting that wipes out some of the most aggressive and criminal citizens,…”

    There’s a small problem with innocent people getting caught in the crossfire.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    It is unfortunate that sometimes innocent bystanders are harmed as a result. But the only way to prevent that (mostly, not entirely) would be far more aggressive policing than we currently have and there is apparently no real constituency for it in the largest urban centers today. The political left and apparently a majority of black and latinos would rather live with elevated levels of violence than have a higher proportion of "justice involved youths" for the sake of community safety. Even GOPers are on board with so-called "reform" of the justice system that would reduce the number of people incarcerated and return them to the streets.

    Part of all this is the unwillingness to face reality - the narrative is always that powerful external forces (white supremacy, poverty, residential segregation, and so on) is responsible for the unbelievably bad group behavior of blacks and to a lesser extent Latinos. This fiction is politically useful to the left since it gives them someone other than their own voting base to go after.

    Thus the approach towards urban crime that yielded such great results in NYC could not be allowed to legitimized or allowed to be replicated elsewhere, because it makes apparent that the real problem is the people and communities themselves, and it is intolerable that designated victim classes might be their own worst enemy and that public fears about them might be very well founded.

    For now, those of us who support intelligent policing and incarceration have lost. The only thing to do is stay out of the way while the inevitable bloodshed and collateral damage adds up to the point where the public - and more importantly, the politicians - come back around.
  53. @Hodag
    The super voucher program is small and mostly given to friends and relatives of Chicago Housing Authority employees and politicians.

    Not surprising.

  54. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @inertial

    The cops stop young black and Latino men because they don’t like the looks of them, pat them down, and if they are carrying a gun for which they don’t have a permit, off to prison they go.
     
    How do we know it's true? It was portrayed this way based on claims by the same sort of people who later whipped up hysteria about racist white cops gunning down black babies. Not the most credible source of information.

    It is true.

    The problem is a lot of people act gangsta to avoid being targeted by them (as they’re much more scared of gangstas than the po-leece) so the cops stop 2-3 fake gangstas for every gangsta – hence all the hostility it causes.

    If the gang problem was dealt with properly – by pulling the gangstas out of general population early – then non gangstas wouldn’t dress and act gangsta so much and the cops wouldn’t stop them so much.

    (after 20 years they can tell the difference but not when they start)

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "The problem is a lot of people act gangsta to avoid being targeted by them (as they’re much more scared of gangstas than the po-leece)"

    Even Black Lies Matter fear the Black gangsta killaz way more than they fear White police officers, although they will never publicly admit it to White America because they do not like to air there dirty laundry to racial outsiders.


    There is a reason why Black Lies Matter do not protest on corner hood blocks where Black guys who are rumored to have murdered people before, hang out.
  55. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Escape from Chicagoland
    Chicago's main problems are absurd levels of corruption blended with incompetence.

    And Chicago is more lenient about illegal handguns than New York, prescribing a one-year minimum for possession versus three and a half years in New York. An attempt to match the New York law in 2013 was rejected by the Illinois legislature out of concern for skyrocketing incarceration rates for young black men.
     
    Yes, incarcerating young black criminals, who have a practical monopoly on gun violations, would be a real crime against humanity, wouldn't it?

    If only the City of Chicago would show the public how few of their criminals of color are actually charged with firearms violations. Liberals are always crying about firearms "loopholes" but here is a massive "loophole" that they studiously ignore. Law abiding, white gun owners make them nervous, but Shitavious and Le'Genius get a pass, because racism.

    So, liberals can always (indirectly) use Shitavious and Le'Genius to make the case for "gun control". Ghetto violence is a very useful tool for the progressives.

    New York also hired a lot more police officers in response to the crime of the 1990s...
     
    Chicago PD is understaffed, riddled with affirmative corruption, infiltrated by criminal gangs, and, subject to the Ferguson Effect, prone to "de-policing".

    There are some great guys on the job. But unfortunately, that is not enough.

    Chicago’s main problems are absurd levels of corruption blended with incompetence.

    Yes, this is what makes me wonder if their paramedics are the same.

    #

    various: let them kill each other

    The bad guys don’t want a solution as the current dystopia is too useful for their anti-white narrative – all the excess murder and rape that could be fixed is just collateral damage to them.

  56. @Steve Sailer
    Ramparts Scandal -- a few black and Hispanic cops in the Ramparts Division were doing very bad things, perhaps in league with Suge Knight. When they got arrested, they rolled over on all the white cops in the Division for drinking beer on the job or whatever, so the media could play it up as a white racism scandal and bring in Federal Oversight. For a more honest portrayal of the Ramparts Scandal, see "Training Day" and "Crash."

    Eventually, the new mayor Jim Hahn fired the black police chief and hired Bill Bratton and he straightened things out.

    Who cleaned up Manhattan, too, and gave my parents a nice place to spend their golden years.

    Man deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom or whatever they give non-military people.

  57. SFG says:
    @Arclight
    If I hadn't read your post I would have assumed that young lady was a teenage boy. Used to have a girl like that in my neighborhood in DC - she was a petty thief and sometimes mugger, and would frequently get drunk and offer to fight anyone who was interested. She was was pretty big and very mean, so not many people would mess with her.

    As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal...seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up. Lots of discussion about how it's just another way for the white overclass to undercut black masculinity or some version of that.

    On a somewhat related note, although I am more of a small government person, I would have no problem with free universal long-acting birth control implants for any woman under 35. Maybe even a refundable tax credit for childless women and men of limited means for "personal development" or something like that. It would have to be somewhat large to be a big enough carrot, but if it drove down the out of wedlock birth rate it would be cheaper than what we have now.

    Thanks, I went and listened to Wendy/Walter Carlos’s electronic rendition of the Funeral for Queen Mary with my glass of milk. Made my morning. 😉

    Not being a Christian I agree wholeheartedly–never had a problem with eugenics. Besides, they get to mess around all they want with no consequences. Infinitely more humane.

  58. Is frisking young black men who have committed no apparent crime unconstitutional? Well, if the Constitution is the living, breathing, morphing document that liberals say it is, maybe not, in some cases. It comes down to probable cause, and if you’re young, black, male and (most importantly) hanging out in a certain place at a certain time of day without purposeful behavior, that may constitute probable cause, given the cumulative probabilities of all those factors.

    In truth, I don’t really want to see young black men indiscriminately frisked or harassed, as it sets a bad precedent, but that’s what has happened since blacks have, generally speaking, become a very significant majority of the criminal class. Militant blacks actually embrace the very high levels of violence and crime in black neighborhoods (while superfluously condemning it) because of the political power it gives them; the blacks will riot if Obama isn’t elected/reelected/whatever. The Carl Rowan race war thing. Young black men continually getting harassed by cops is the downside of all of that.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    Heather MacDonald over at City-Journal has written endlessly about "Stop & Frisk" how actually works and how infrequently law abiding blacks are stopped and searched.

    Fact is "Stop and Frisk" is just a far left talking point.

    In reality "Stop & Frisk" is really more like "Observe, Analyse, Stop, Question, Decide, Frisk, Arrest?, Document & Report". In most case locals are asking the police to help with gang members hanging out in front of their residences and businesses.

    Heather MacDonald has detailed the NYT's campaign against Broken Windows policing policies and how they have covered up the criminal history of the aggrieved and the agenda of the left wing activists, lawyers and sympathetic judges.
    , @Big Bill
    There is a weird community split in most ghettos.

    The older, established folks will complain to their aldermen, who will organize community meetings with police department representatives.

    At those meetings the community members will complain about the gunfire, noise, and dope dealers/gangbangers hanging around on the corners.

    They will demand more patrols and a crackdown on the layabouts. Who, as everybody in the ghetto and police department knows, are criminals.

    When the police do crack down, however, a different group of activist blacks steps forward and complains about police hassling young black men.

    The obvious solution is for the black community to decide what it really wants--crackdowns or crime--and police itself.

    A more fundamental question is whether the black community is going to be an "honor culture" in which personal affronts are met with deadly force, or will it be a "dignity culture" in which slights are ignored as not deserving a response. There is nothing that white folks can do to resolve this.
  59. @International Jew
    O'Hare Airport has 2-10 murders per year??

    Although Hodag gave you a delightfully colorful and amusing reply already, I thought I would give you the correct answer to your query.

    The airport in that map is always linked to the community area just to it’s east — that community area might even be called O’Hare. It has homes (mostly condos and apartments) and is generally a safe place to live (the entire northwest side, which is the 16th District) is very safe:

    https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/Communities/Districts/District16

    You can get their crime stats at that website.

  60. Where is Jake Featherston when we need him?

  61. @Anonymous
    I know a couple of retired NYPD, and once had a long conversation with another current NYPD. All serious beat cops in the projects and such in Harlem, Brooklyn and the Bronx who have seen all sorts of shit. They spend a lot of time in these places and develop a knowledge and sources. They definitely did this sort of thing all the time when it was SOP.

    "Don't like the looks of them" means they strike up a conversation with the dude and realize they know his shithead brother or cousin, or he's wearing something that signifies a gang affiliation, or he subconsciously reaches for his stomach to check his piece. If you are a brother wearing a suit and tie or working a real job, they will leave you alone.

    It's definitely a real phenomenon, and as Steve says, certainly a violation of 'civil rights' (not that I care), but it clearly works.

    You made exactly the points I was going to.

    DWLs and SJWs and (((others))) constantly suggest that LE get dropped in by sky-crane from another planet or dimension.

    No intelligence, no prior experience or memory in place, no records, no families prone to following certain lines of “work” or behavior, no established hardwired behaviors/reactions that affirm or violate standards.

    Just Robocop dropped in the middle of passels of nine-year-old Trayvons. No history (except ones fabricated by T. Genius Coates and Alex Haley). No families (not even the noble African American Family invoked in hushed tones though never observed in real life) or networks of friends. And no chance whatever that the precious melanist is very likely up to getting what they can by force and brutality, as their sub-mean IQ and supra-mean aggressiveness predispose them.

  62. HA says:

    “First, I don’t think the crack wars of the early 1990s were ever that bad in Chicago, so they didn’t purge Chicago to the same extent of its most violent thugs, as tended to happen in NYC and LA. “

    They may not have purged thuggery from Chicago to the extent they did in NYC or LA, but I doubt that is because the crack wars were not that bad in Chicago.

    During the worst years of Cabrini–Green’s problems,… Gang members and miscreants covered interior walls with graffiti and damaged doors, windows, and elevators. Rat and cockroach infestations were commonplace, rotting garbage stacked up in clogged trash chutes (it once piled up to the 15th floor),…The balconies were fenced in to prevent residents… from falling or being thrown to their deaths. This created the appearance of a large prison tier, or of animal cages…

    Admittedly, the intensity of the crack epidemic in areas like Cabrini-Green may mean that points west (such as Austin) had an easier time of it, but suffice it to say, Chicago did its fair share of representin’ during the golden age of thug life.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    Chicago was an interesting case.

    Major gangs like the Gangster Disciples, the last remnants of the Chicago Outfit, the cops and the city council worked out an arrangement to largely keep prepackaged crack cocaine off the streets for many years up until the early nineties when the crack wars really got hot.

    But in the mid to late eighties what you would find is that local convenience stores in Chicago sold do it yourself crack making paraphernalia, pipes and torches all located together in hard to miss displays.

    Much like today you have ghetto convenience stores selling skittles, fruit drink/juice, little bottles of off brand DXM and pot paraphernalia on the same display.
  63. @HA
    "First, I don’t think the crack wars of the early 1990s were ever that bad in Chicago, so they didn’t purge Chicago to the same extent of its most violent thugs, as tended to happen in NYC and LA. "

    They may not have purged thuggery from Chicago to the extent they did in NYC or LA, but I doubt that is because the crack wars were not that bad in Chicago.


    During the worst years of Cabrini–Green's problems,... Gang members and miscreants covered interior walls with graffiti and damaged doors, windows, and elevators. Rat and cockroach infestations were commonplace, rotting garbage stacked up in clogged trash chutes (it once piled up to the 15th floor),...The balconies were fenced in to prevent residents... from falling or being thrown to their deaths. This created the appearance of a large prison tier, or of animal cages...
     
    Admittedly, the intensity of the crack epidemic in areas like Cabrini-Green may mean that points west (such as Austin) had an easier time of it, but suffice it to say, Chicago did its fair share of representin' during the golden age of thug life.

    Chicago was an interesting case.

    Major gangs like the Gangster Disciples, the last remnants of the Chicago Outfit, the cops and the city council worked out an arrangement to largely keep prepackaged crack cocaine off the streets for many years up until the early nineties when the crack wars really got hot.

    But in the mid to late eighties what you would find is that local convenience stores in Chicago sold do it yourself crack making paraphernalia, pipes and torches all located together in hard to miss displays.

    Much like today you have ghetto convenience stores selling skittles, fruit drink/juice, little bottles of off brand DXM and pot paraphernalia on the same display.

  64. IBC says:
    @Ed

    Another thing that’s going in NYC that’s kind of subtle is that more middle class West Indian and African blacks are replacing downscale American blacks to a greater extent than in Chicago
     
    I think this is driving much of the disparity. I read awhile ago that black immigrants & their kids make up the majority of the black population in NY. The cultures of black immigrants isn't as far gone as USA Blacks, although I will say Caribbean immigrants in NYC do have a crime problem. The rapper involved in the recent shooting at Union Sq is of Guyanese origin. Bobby Shmurda, a rapper facing decades in prison on gang charges, is of Jamaican heritage.

    Chicago got stuck with much of the plantation underclass from the Deep South states, especially Mississippi. Here's an old Atlantic article that picks up on the nuances among Chicago's black population.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/poverty/origin1.htm

    Very good article. The data presented raises serious questions about some of Charles Murray’s conclusions on the relationship between welfare and social disfunction, at least among black Chicagoans. It’d be interesting to see the corresponding numbers for other cities like Milwaukee, or Gary, Indiana. Also, if the article’s other conclusions are correct, do policy honchos like Mayor Emanuel, have a plan to more effectively assimilate Chicago’s black underclass once they’ve been dispersed from the ghetto and resettled in other parts of Illinois?

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets

    do policy honchos like Mayor Emanuel, have a plan to more effectively assimilate Chicago’s black underclass once they’ve been dispersed from the ghetto and resettled in other parts of Illinois?
     
    They already did.

    http://www.wrex.com/story/31584224/rockford-police-review-this-weekends-violence

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/12/16/the-10-most-dangerous-towns-in-illinois/

    Rockford IL has the distinction of receiving a considerable share of the people dispersed when Chicago's concentrated low-income housing projects were demolished.

    It is now the most dangerous town in Illinois. On a per capita basis, Rockford far surpasses the crime rate of Chicago. Shootings are now an almost daily occurrence on Rockford's west side, but the violence is spilling into the (previously safer) east side and murders and armed robberies are taking place in broad daylight.
    , @dc.sunsets
    Rockford is in the process of repeating Chicago's earlier dispersion, only this time city officials are dispersing the focal points for violent crime, the city's housing projects on the west side, to the east side.

    Those who own properties near the planned location for an east side housing project are understandably enraged, but for all practical purposes they are being told by the mayor and other city officials to F themselves, the project will be jammed down their throats regardless of how vehement their objections.

    Sounds a lot like what the Obama Admin (and its predecessors) did to Rand Paul's Bowling Green KY

    http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/muslim-immigrants-settled-in-rand-pauls-hometown/

    Isn't it about time we start pointing out to the LOCAL people effecting these policies that when the predictable mayhem follows, WE WILL HOLD THEM PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE?
  65. @J1234
    Is frisking young black men who have committed no apparent crime unconstitutional? Well, if the Constitution is the living, breathing, morphing document that liberals say it is, maybe not, in some cases. It comes down to probable cause, and if you're young, black, male and (most importantly) hanging out in a certain place at a certain time of day without purposeful behavior, that may constitute probable cause, given the cumulative probabilities of all those factors.

    In truth, I don't really want to see young black men indiscriminately frisked or harassed, as it sets a bad precedent, but that's what has happened since blacks have, generally speaking, become a very significant majority of the criminal class. Militant blacks actually embrace the very high levels of violence and crime in black neighborhoods (while superfluously condemning it) because of the political power it gives them; the blacks will riot if Obama isn't elected/reelected/whatever. The Carl Rowan race war thing. Young black men continually getting harassed by cops is the downside of all of that.

    Heather MacDonald over at City-Journal has written endlessly about “Stop & Frisk” how actually works and how infrequently law abiding blacks are stopped and searched.

    Fact is “Stop and Frisk” is just a far left talking point.

    In reality “Stop & Frisk” is really more like “Observe, Analyse, Stop, Question, Decide, Frisk, Arrest?, Document & Report”. In most case locals are asking the police to help with gang members hanging out in front of their residences and businesses.

    Heather MacDonald has detailed the NYT’s campaign against Broken Windows policing policies and how they have covered up the criminal history of the aggrieved and the agenda of the left wing activists, lawyers and sympathetic judges.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Heather MacDonald over at City-Journal
     
    Heather Mac Donald. Mind the gap!
    , @Wizard of Oz
    And I repeat....what's wrong with having portable metal detectors to add heavily to the evidence of probable cause?
  66. @Almost Missouri

    "As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal…seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up."
     
    Political palatability could be improved by including an element of choice, e.g., convict can choose early release with hormone adjustment or can just stay in pokey with full sperm count.

    No hormone treatment of teenage and young adult men will be without likely side affects or long term consequences. Nor would chemical castration be acceptable.

    Again read up on Vasalgel/Risug, it is a chemical/polymer based reversible vasectomy that can be used to remove likely violent sociopathic young men from the gene pool until that time as adults they can prove they are no longer a menace as a condition for shorter periods of incarceration or receipt of welfare benefits.

    Young men could insure protection of their future paternity prospects by banking their own semen.
    The cost of sperm banking for 5 years is between $1000 to $1500 for five years. Far less than keeping an inmate in jail for just one month.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+sperm+banking&oq=cost+of+sperm+banking&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.12620j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    In case of failure to reverse chemical vasectomy, artificial insemination is still between $500 to $1000. Cheap!!! when compared to possibly bring another generation of violent gang banger into this world.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+human+artificial+insemination&oq=cost+oif+human+artifical+in&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.12305j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Left wing groups have been calling for a safe and effect male contraception for decades, Vasalgel is likely the best bet.

    Steve Sailer and others on this blog get fixated on the possibility of testosterone suppressing treatments. But would it not be better as a first step to at least campaign against the idiocy that is the gangsta rap promotion of Robotripping, the abuse of DXM + high graded pot as the poor man’s PCP?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "would it not be better as a first step to at least campaign against the idiocy that is the gangsta rap promotion of Robotripping"
     
    Are "violent sociopathic young men" responsive to anti-drug campaigns?

    Similarly, I don't doubt the accuracy of your research on sperm banking, etc. But does the demographic we are talking about actually care about their paternity/legacy/etc.? I think they are much more interested in the act than the results. Much more. That's why they are "violent sociopathic young men" and not HBD blog commenters.

    I suppose such a project may still have a value as a sop to liberal do-gooders who profess to care about the sociopath's bio-legacy, even as they live as far as possible from it...
  67. @anon
    It is true.

    The problem is a lot of people act gangsta to avoid being targeted by them (as they're much more scared of gangstas than the po-leece) so the cops stop 2-3 fake gangstas for every gangsta - hence all the hostility it causes.

    If the gang problem was dealt with properly - by pulling the gangstas out of general population early - then non gangstas wouldn't dress and act gangsta so much and the cops wouldn't stop them so much.

    (after 20 years they can tell the difference but not when they start)

    “The problem is a lot of people act gangsta to avoid being targeted by them (as they’re much more scared of gangstas than the po-leece)”

    Even Black Lies Matter fear the Black gangsta killaz way more than they fear White police officers, although they will never publicly admit it to White America because they do not like to air there dirty laundry to racial outsiders.

    There is a reason why Black Lies Matter do not protest on corner hood blocks where Black guys who are rumored to have murdered people before, hang out.

  68. @Arclight
    If I hadn't read your post I would have assumed that young lady was a teenage boy. Used to have a girl like that in my neighborhood in DC - she was a petty thief and sometimes mugger, and would frequently get drunk and offer to fight anyone who was interested. She was was pretty big and very mean, so not many people would mess with her.

    As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal...seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up. Lots of discussion about how it's just another way for the white overclass to undercut black masculinity or some version of that.

    On a somewhat related note, although I am more of a small government person, I would have no problem with free universal long-acting birth control implants for any woman under 35. Maybe even a refundable tax credit for childless women and men of limited means for "personal development" or something like that. It would have to be somewhat large to be a big enough carrot, but if it drove down the out of wedlock birth rate it would be cheaper than what we have now.

    As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal…seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up.

    Ironic that “A Clockwork Orange” was based on the author’s wife being gang-raped by a home-invading hoard of black men, back in the day. In the book, he changed the perps race to white, in the movie, Kubrick added having them raping while singing a broadway show tune, creating a bizarre racial self-hatred narrative to beat the band.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Ironic that “A Clockwork Orange” was based on the author’s wife being gang-raped by a home-invading hoard of black men, back in the day. In the book, he changed the perps race to white, in the movie, Kubrick added having them raping while singing a broadway show tune, creating a bizarre racial self-hatred narrative to beat the band."

    In the 1970s, Hollywood films could still portray Black males as rapists and other types of violent criminals, just watch the Blaxploitation films.

    So A Clockwork Orange did not have to be Whitewashed. Political Correctness and microaggressions were not the law of the land yet in 1971 when the film came out.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I've searched for confirmation of your story that Anthony Burgess's first wife was raped by blacks but can find none. She seems to have been raped in the UK in the 1940s by Americans described as "US Army deserters". There would have been a few of those out of the hundreds of thousands of US servicemen in Britain waiting for D Day or perhaps on leave after it. But mostly white. So... source? Credible evidence?
  69. Is it okay if I take a page from the leftist playbook and declare that this problem is vibrant, and therefore, actually a good thing?

  70. Have any mayors or governors banned state/city employees from traveling to Illinois yet? Or are trannies in the bathroom a greater danger?

  71. @anonymous-antimarxist
    No hormone treatment of teenage and young adult men will be without likely side affects or long term consequences. Nor would chemical castration be acceptable.

    Again read up on Vasalgel/Risug, it is a chemical/polymer based reversible vasectomy that can be used to remove likely violent sociopathic young men from the gene pool until that time as adults they can prove they are no longer a menace as a condition for shorter periods of incarceration or receipt of welfare benefits.

    Young men could insure protection of their future paternity prospects by banking their own semen.
    The cost of sperm banking for 5 years is between $1000 to $1500 for five years. Far less than keeping an inmate in jail for just one month.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+sperm+banking&oq=cost+of+sperm+banking&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.12620j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    In case of failure to reverse chemical vasectomy, artificial insemination is still between $500 to $1000. Cheap!!! when compared to possibly bring another generation of violent gang banger into this world.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+of+human+artificial+insemination&oq=cost+oif+human+artifical+in&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.12305j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Left wing groups have been calling for a safe and effect male contraception for decades, Vasalgel is likely the best bet.

    Steve Sailer and others on this blog get fixated on the possibility of testosterone suppressing treatments. But would it not be better as a first step to at least campaign against the idiocy that is the gangsta rap promotion of Robotripping, the abuse of DXM + high graded pot as the poor man's PCP?

    “would it not be better as a first step to at least campaign against the idiocy that is the gangsta rap promotion of Robotripping”

    Are “violent sociopathic young men” responsive to anti-drug campaigns?

    Similarly, I don’t doubt the accuracy of your research on sperm banking, etc. But does the demographic we are talking about actually care about their paternity/legacy/etc.? I think they are much more interested in the act than the results. Much more. That’s why they are “violent sociopathic young men” and not HBD blog commenters.

    I suppose such a project may still have a value as a sop to liberal do-gooders who profess to care about the sociopath’s bio-legacy, even as they live as far as possible from it…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Are “violent sociopathic young men” responsive to anti-drug campaigns?
     
    Not this one:

    http://www.albertpeia.com/oxfordassault.htm
    http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/every-clinton-sex-assault-victim/
    http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2010/08/sociopath-alert-bill-clinton.html
    http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-drug-scandal-about-to-rock-hillarys-campaign/
    http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/bill-clinton-hillary-cocaine-drug-use-scandal/
    , @anonymous-antimarxist

    Are “violent sociopathic young men” responsive to anti-drug campaigns?
     
    Well after the a decade long crack epidemic/war, the expression in the ghetto became "Crack is Whack" so anything is possible. As studies are showing the upsurge in recent violence is less drug turf war related but instead connected to a marked increase in mayhem due to a loss of impulse control.

    Robotripping has been heavily promoted by the most brain dead elements in rap culture. DXM abuse and associated violence was a serious problem in a number of third world countries before their governments cracked down.

    President Obama loves to name drop Lil Wayne and express his paternal feelings for Saint Trayvon. It would seem an effective campaign against DXM abuse and the violence associated with it would only require some leadership and a willingness to run counter to the BLM narrative.

    But does the demographic we are talking about actually care about their paternity/legacy/etc.

     

    Of course not, young black male law breakers don't want to have kids at all, but just not enough to wear a condom. They also don't want to spend additional time behind bars just so they can have a bastard they have no intention of providing for as soon as they hit the streets. Vasalgel/Risug as a condition of early parole would seem to be a relatively easy deal to make.
  72. @Arclight
    Not to be overly cold-blooded about it, but who cares? I suspect what Chicago needs is a period of blood letting that wipes out some of the most aggressive and criminal citizens, not unlike what parts of the Middle East are experiencing right now (and which I hope continues for quite some time, provided Europe stops deluding itself about its wonderful refugees).

    As has been pointed out here and many other places, young violent men basically cannot be rehabilitated in most cases - all you can do is take them out of the population via the criminal justice system until they are older and substantially less testosterone-filled. Since we have a political class that is determined not to do that, we're going to have a lot of intra-black violence, and all the while we'll get periodic chin-stroking pieces in the WaPo, NYTimes, and so on pinning the problem on "lack of opportunity", guns, or residential segregation. It's none of those things of course, but we can't talk about how the worst parts of black America are enthusiastically outbreeding the middle and upper class parts of that group, so we're going to be stuck with this problem in perpetuity unless there is a huge cultural shift.

    Arclight, Yes “in perpetuity.” The thugs not only kill and main each other but dozens of innocent bystanders are killed each year in cities like Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland etc. Last week a 40 something Chicago city employee was killed as she exited a Starbucks. Last year it was a black lady teacher who was killed by a stray bullet while she was at her second job at a realtors office. In Cleveland last year, a five year old boy, a three year old boy and a five month old girl, all black, were killed in drive by shootings. A Buffalo teen age girl, sitting on the floor, leaning against a wall and studying was killed by a stray shot. My point? It can’t get any worse than these examples and yet the community tolerates it, otherwise they would be lynching these pieces of shit themselves. I don’t see a “huge cultural shift” coming.

  73. Either kill all the gang members wiping them out via the death penalty or cede territory. Anything in between maximizes death and suffering.

    Likewise do not allow conjugal visits for such people on death row.

  74. @Tiny Duck
    We need to prohibit guns. You guys need to read Leonard Pitts

    We need to prohibit guns.

    We once did:

    No free negro or mulatto shall be suffered to keep or carry any firelock of any kind, any military weapon, or any powder or lead; and any free negro or mulatto who shall so offend, shall, on conviction before a justice of the peace, forfeit all such arms and ammunition to the use of the informer; and shall moreover be punished with stripes, at the discretion of the justice, not exceeding thirty-nine lashes.

    http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/An_act_to_amend_an_act_entitled_an_act_reducing_into_one_the_several_acts_concerning_slaves_free_negroes_and_mulattoes_and_for_other_purposes_March_15_1832

  75. @V Vega

    As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal…seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up.
     
    Ironic that "A Clockwork Orange" was based on the author's wife being gang-raped by a home-invading hoard of black men, back in the day. In the book, he changed the perps race to white, in the movie, Kubrick added having them raping while singing a broadway show tune, creating a bizarre racial self-hatred narrative to beat the band.

    “Ironic that “A Clockwork Orange” was based on the author’s wife being gang-raped by a home-invading hoard of black men, back in the day. In the book, he changed the perps race to white, in the movie, Kubrick added having them raping while singing a broadway show tune, creating a bizarre racial self-hatred narrative to beat the band.”

    In the 1970s, Hollywood films could still portray Black males as rapists and other types of violent criminals, just watch the Blaxploitation films.

    So A Clockwork Orange did not have to be Whitewashed. Political Correctness and microaggressions were not the law of the land yet in 1971 when the film came out.

  76. @Almost Missouri

    "would it not be better as a first step to at least campaign against the idiocy that is the gangsta rap promotion of Robotripping"
     
    Are "violent sociopathic young men" responsive to anti-drug campaigns?

    Similarly, I don't doubt the accuracy of your research on sperm banking, etc. But does the demographic we are talking about actually care about their paternity/legacy/etc.? I think they are much more interested in the act than the results. Much more. That's why they are "violent sociopathic young men" and not HBD blog commenters.

    I suppose such a project may still have a value as a sop to liberal do-gooders who profess to care about the sociopath's bio-legacy, even as they live as far as possible from it...
  77. @Almost Missouri

    "would it not be better as a first step to at least campaign against the idiocy that is the gangsta rap promotion of Robotripping"
     
    Are "violent sociopathic young men" responsive to anti-drug campaigns?

    Similarly, I don't doubt the accuracy of your research on sperm banking, etc. But does the demographic we are talking about actually care about their paternity/legacy/etc.? I think they are much more interested in the act than the results. Much more. That's why they are "violent sociopathic young men" and not HBD blog commenters.

    I suppose such a project may still have a value as a sop to liberal do-gooders who profess to care about the sociopath's bio-legacy, even as they live as far as possible from it...

    Are “violent sociopathic young men” responsive to anti-drug campaigns?

    Well after the a decade long crack epidemic/war, the expression in the ghetto became “Crack is Whack” so anything is possible. As studies are showing the upsurge in recent violence is less drug turf war related but instead connected to a marked increase in mayhem due to a loss of impulse control.

    Robotripping has been heavily promoted by the most brain dead elements in rap culture. DXM abuse and associated violence was a serious problem in a number of third world countries before their governments cracked down.

    President Obama loves to name drop Lil Wayne and express his paternal feelings for Saint Trayvon. It would seem an effective campaign against DXM abuse and the violence associated with it would only require some leadership and a willingness to run counter to the BLM narrative.

    But does the demographic we are talking about actually care about their paternity/legacy/etc.

    Of course not, young black male law breakers don’t want to have kids at all, but just not enough to wear a condom. They also don’t want to spend additional time behind bars just so they can have a bastard they have no intention of providing for as soon as they hit the streets. Vasalgel/Risug as a condition of early parole would seem to be a relatively easy deal to make.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Black women control fertility and they aren't that picky about who the father is. Unless you sterilized every male thug in the ghetto it wouldn't do a thing. Instead of Nyquan and Shaquan having 12 kids with 4 different women each you'd have Tyquan who would have 24 kids with 8.
  78. @Ed
    Some cities & I believe states already have anti- source of income discrimination laws. These laws make discriminating against voucher holders illegal.

    Also the "super" voucher program is already being implemented in Dallas. This is what Julian Castro has been delegated on his way to becoming Clinton's VP pick.

    Voucher holders are given more in vouchers in order for them to afford more expensive properties in more affluent areas. There's been an uptick in crime in Dallas & in areas which didn't have much of it before. Some are blaming the super voucher holders.

    Chicago recently did this as well but when the press got wind of voucher holders living in $3000 a month lakefront apts the backlash was swift and unrelenting. Chicago housing ended the program and the most of voucher holders will have to move next year with the last leaving in '18.

    Chicago housing ended the program and the most of voucher holders will have to move next year…

    …to Rockford.

    • Replies: @Big Bill
    ... and Peoria, Dubuque, Rock Island, Galesburg, etc.
  79. @Jefferson
    There was a 1990s television show called Family Matters, which was filmed in front of a live studio audience in Burbank, but Chicago was the fictional setting of the show.

    On the show they portray Chicago as being a very racially integrated city. There is an episode where Steve Urkel and Laura Winslow visit a ghetto urban inner city high school in Chicago and it is a diverse mix of White Wiggers, Blacks, Mestizos, and lower working class Gran Torino type Asians. It was very unrealistic, because in real life such a school would be Black as hell as in Detroit public school level Black.

    visit a ghetto urban inner city high school in Chicago and it is a diverse mix of White Wiggers, Blacks, Mestizos, and lower working class Gran Torino type Asians. It was very unrealistic…

    …for Chicago. It sounds a lot like Harding Senior High in St Paul, though, if you add some (feather) Indians:

    http://public-schools.startclass.com/l/50062/Harding-Senior-High
    http://www.publicschoolreview.com/harding-senior-high-school-profile

    Don’t let the 52% Asian figure fool you– our Asian population is as internally diverse as our white. And not always into the “model minority” thing:

    http://www.twincities.com/2015/10/23/st-paul-student-had-gun-at-harding-out-of-gang-fears-he-says/

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "for Chicago"

    It's unrealistic for any big city in The U.S to have high schools in the urban 3rd World ghetto neighborhoods to have student bodies that come anywhere close to resembling the racial demographics of The United States as a whole.

    In addition to Chicago, it's also unrealistic in New York City, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Oakland, Detroit, Memphis, Washington DC, etc.
  80. @BostonTea
    The truth about Chicago’s crime rates:

    http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/May-2014/Chicago-crime-rates/

    There's more:

    "Only seven of more than 500 nonfatal shooting incidents (about 1.4 percent) and 24 of 143 homicides (16.7 percent) in the first three months of 2016 have led to an arrest"

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-violence-spiked-and-arrests-declined-in-chicago-right-after-the-laquan-mcdonald-video-release/

    This skews the percentage of murder and shootings attributed to Blacks, btw. The usual rule of thumb is about half the murders in the US are committed by Blacks. But the clearance rate for Black urban homicides is low, and they aren’t binned into “done by a Black” because there’s no proof about who did it. Maybe it was those thrill killers Buffy and Chip from Greenwich. Chicago alone likely had around 300 Black offender homicides not attributed to a Black offender. That’s enough by itself to bump up the overall percentage of homicides committed by Blacks a couple percentage points. There are similar clearance rate issues in other cities.

    White murders tend to be domestic violence, and the clearance rate for those is very high.

    • Agree: Triumph104
  81. • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Curious that there were no details about the child or his parents. Let me guess . . .
  82. @Reg Cæsar

    visit a ghetto urban inner city high school in Chicago and it is a diverse mix of White Wiggers, Blacks, Mestizos, and lower working class Gran Torino type Asians. It was very unrealistic...
     
    ...for Chicago. It sounds a lot like Harding Senior High in St Paul, though, if you add some (feather) Indians:

    http://public-schools.startclass.com/l/50062/Harding-Senior-High
    http://www.publicschoolreview.com/harding-senior-high-school-profile

    Don't let the 52% Asian figure fool you-- our Asian population is as internally diverse as our white. And not always into the "model minority" thing:

    http://www.twincities.com/2015/10/23/st-paul-student-had-gun-at-harding-out-of-gang-fears-he-says/

    “for Chicago”

    It’s unrealistic for any big city in The U.S to have high schools in the urban 3rd World ghetto neighborhoods to have student bodies that come anywhere close to resembling the racial demographics of The United States as a whole.

    In addition to Chicago, it’s also unrealistic in New York City, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Oakland, Detroit, Memphis, Washington DC, etc.

  83. The slaughter continues over the last 24 hours.

  84. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. X
    The problem here is that dealing effectively with large numbers of feral blacks requires fascistic policing and gross violations of the Bill of Rights.

    "Stop and frisk" in New York City is a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment; the so-called "probable cause" the cops cite is always flimsy and contrived -- if they have any probable cause at all.

    New York and Chicago also trample on the Second Amendment in ways worse than some foreign countries. In Chicago, it was 100% illegal to own a handgun, even on private property, from 1977 to 2010, when the Supreme Court declared the law unconstitutional. Since then the courts have forced Chicago to allow people to by handguns, but the time, cost, and bureaucratic grief you have to go through still makes it virtually impossible. Same thing in New York -- the permit process is designed to disqualify 95%+ of the applicants. (And we're talking about only the ability to have a gun in your home -- getting permission to carry it is an entirely different, and more difficult, matter).

    So in order to deal with homicidal blacks, urban, "liberal" governments have decided to destroy everybody's civil rights. Perhaps the Old South had it right, after all -- civil rights are for white people, not blacks.

    The problem here is that dealing effectively with large numbers of feral blacks requires fascistic policing and gross violations of the Bill of Rights.

    A lot of it could be fixed by reversing one aspect of criminal justice policy – giving youngsters endless second chances.

    All that does is give them more rep to scare people with and increase their reproductive success.

    Pull them out of circulation early.

  85. @Hibernian
    "I suspect what Chicago needs is a period of blood letting that wipes out some of the most aggressive and criminal citizens,..."

    There's a small problem with innocent people getting caught in the crossfire.

    It is unfortunate that sometimes innocent bystanders are harmed as a result. But the only way to prevent that (mostly, not entirely) would be far more aggressive policing than we currently have and there is apparently no real constituency for it in the largest urban centers today. The political left and apparently a majority of black and latinos would rather live with elevated levels of violence than have a higher proportion of “justice involved youths” for the sake of community safety. Even GOPers are on board with so-called “reform” of the justice system that would reduce the number of people incarcerated and return them to the streets.

    Part of all this is the unwillingness to face reality – the narrative is always that powerful external forces (white supremacy, poverty, residential segregation, and so on) is responsible for the unbelievably bad group behavior of blacks and to a lesser extent Latinos. This fiction is politically useful to the left since it gives them someone other than their own voting base to go after.

    Thus the approach towards urban crime that yielded such great results in NYC could not be allowed to legitimized or allowed to be replicated elsewhere, because it makes apparent that the real problem is the people and communities themselves, and it is intolerable that designated victim classes might be their own worst enemy and that public fears about them might be very well founded.

    For now, those of us who support intelligent policing and incarceration have lost. The only thing to do is stay out of the way while the inevitable bloodshed and collateral damage adds up to the point where the public – and more importantly, the politicians – come back around.

  86. @Reg Cæsar

    Chicago housing ended the program and the most of voucher holders will have to move next year...
     
    ...to Rockford.

    … and Peoria, Dubuque, Rock Island, Galesburg, etc.

  87. fish says:

    Marginally OT:

    The inability to tell the 3rd floor from the 4th floor…

    “Police: Pelicans guard Dejean-Jones fatally shot in Dallas”

    …….solution additional gun control.

    Money quote….

    Julie Keel, a spokeswoman for Camden Property Trust, the real estate company that owns the apartment complex in Dallas, confirmed that the complex’s apartment manager had sent out an email to residents saying that the person who had been shot had been trying to break into “the apartment of an estranged acquaintance” and that this person had “inadvertently” broken into the wrong apartment.

    http://www.sfgate.com/news/texas/article/Police-Pelicans-guard-Dejean-Jones-fatally-shot-7951346.php

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    The incident is very Steve Sailer friendly.

    Steve recently posted "Half of NBA Players Related to Another Elite Athlete". According to his tweet, Shabazz Muhammad who plays for the Minnesota Timberwolves is Dejean Jones's cousin.

    Steve also posted "Remembering Jewish White Flight from L.A. Public Schools". Dejean Jones is a proud graduate of LAUSD's Taft High School, alma mater of Ice Cube and the NBA's Jordan Farmar (Jewish).

    Jones is being praised in death although it sounds like, at least in his mind, he was in the midst of a domestic dispute. I doubt he had a will so his estate will probably go to his illegitimate child(ren). Problem is that he was a rookie and barely played in the NBA only earning $169K. He did sign a 3-year $3M contract before being injured for the season. The league is usually good with backing up its investment with an insurance policy (see Boston Celtic's Reggie Lewis), so maybe the child(ren) will receive a contract payout or insurance money.
  88. TWS says:

    Simple enough to determine if the stop and frisks are a violation of Terry v Ohio. If the percentage of those stopped have more illegal guns and knives than the general population of those stopped then the police can spot someone who is likely armed and are removing them from the streets.

    If they don’t want to be stopped and frisked don’t carry weapons if you’re a banger.

  89. @J1234
    Is frisking young black men who have committed no apparent crime unconstitutional? Well, if the Constitution is the living, breathing, morphing document that liberals say it is, maybe not, in some cases. It comes down to probable cause, and if you're young, black, male and (most importantly) hanging out in a certain place at a certain time of day without purposeful behavior, that may constitute probable cause, given the cumulative probabilities of all those factors.

    In truth, I don't really want to see young black men indiscriminately frisked or harassed, as it sets a bad precedent, but that's what has happened since blacks have, generally speaking, become a very significant majority of the criminal class. Militant blacks actually embrace the very high levels of violence and crime in black neighborhoods (while superfluously condemning it) because of the political power it gives them; the blacks will riot if Obama isn't elected/reelected/whatever. The Carl Rowan race war thing. Young black men continually getting harassed by cops is the downside of all of that.

    There is a weird community split in most ghettos.

    The older, established folks will complain to their aldermen, who will organize community meetings with police department representatives.

    At those meetings the community members will complain about the gunfire, noise, and dope dealers/gangbangers hanging around on the corners.

    They will demand more patrols and a crackdown on the layabouts. Who, as everybody in the ghetto and police department knows, are criminals.

    When the police do crack down, however, a different group of activist blacks steps forward and complains about police hassling young black men.

    The obvious solution is for the black community to decide what it really wants–crackdowns or crime–and police itself.

    A more fundamental question is whether the black community is going to be an “honor culture” in which personal affronts are met with deadly force, or will it be a “dignity culture” in which slights are ignored as not deserving a response. There is nothing that white folks can do to resolve this.

    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    The "white folks" did in fact have a means to at least attenuate this behavior: the guns and nightsticks of cops and, in the South, the occasional lynching. Blacks were allowed a lot more freedom to do to each other than to impact the white community, of course. But it was a moderating force.

    Blacks resented it, of course, but by any objective standard it was reasonable.

    When, not if, the United States implodes, there will be areas soley white and soley black, along with some areas where blacks and whites can interdwell, but those will have some other governing mechanism or will go one way or the other. The only questions are who gets what and on what basis., and of course, when.

    I'm old enough I might be, as Isaac Asimov said of his dystopian timeframe, "safely dead by then". But there is a one hundred percent probability younger readers of this today will get a front row seat.
    , @J1234
    When I had my retail business (not too many miles from the ghetto), older black folks were among the nicest and most respectful of all of my customers. Didn't have many of them, but I did enjoy dealing with them, despite the fact that their disposable income was somewhat limited.

    I always feel bad for them, as they get grouped in with the generic definition "black America," and all of the negatives that go along with it. On the other hand, they didn't do something right, because where did all of these young black criminals come from? Of course, the experiences I had in my business were 20-ish years ago, so maybe all of those nice old people are gone.
  90. @anonymous-antimarxist

    It’s none of those things of course, but we can’t talk about how the worst parts of black America are enthusiastically outbreeding the middle and upper class parts of that group,
     
    Good, Folks are starting to see this as a dysgenic reproduction problem as much as it is a crime problem.

    Gakirah Barnes for example was twelve months old when her biological father was killed in a gang shooting in 1997. You see the problem is, with even with a rising murder rate, unless the sociopaths are killing themselves before they have a chance to breed a new generation, even a Stalingrad level of homicide would have little impact on future generations of criminality.

    Assuming Gakirah Barnes' father("sperm donor") had a long rap sheet himself worthy of him being administered a chemical vasectomy as a condition of parole, all this mayhem could have been avoided 15 years later.

    On the bright side, inspite of her allegedly committing 20 or more shootings/killings, Ms Barnes here left no offspring.

    “a Stalingrad level of homicide”

    That line in the context in which it was used has had me laughing for about twenty minutes. Just great.

  91. @fish

    You guys need to read Leonard Pitts.
     



    Two minutes of my life I'll never get back.

    Pitts is the racist’s racist. He and his ilk are the reason that the Miami Herald is going broke.

  92. KenH says:
    @Arclight
    Not to be overly cold-blooded about it, but who cares? I suspect what Chicago needs is a period of blood letting that wipes out some of the most aggressive and criminal citizens, not unlike what parts of the Middle East are experiencing right now (and which I hope continues for quite some time, provided Europe stops deluding itself about its wonderful refugees).

    As has been pointed out here and many other places, young violent men basically cannot be rehabilitated in most cases - all you can do is take them out of the population via the criminal justice system until they are older and substantially less testosterone-filled. Since we have a political class that is determined not to do that, we're going to have a lot of intra-black violence, and all the while we'll get periodic chin-stroking pieces in the WaPo, NYTimes, and so on pinning the problem on "lack of opportunity", guns, or residential segregation. It's none of those things of course, but we can't talk about how the worst parts of black America are enthusiastically outbreeding the middle and upper class parts of that group, so we're going to be stuck with this problem in perpetuity unless there is a huge cultural shift.

    Since we have a political class that is determined not to do that, we’re going to have a lot of intra-black violence, and all the while we’ll get periodic chin-stroking pieces in the WaPo, NYTimes, and so on pinning the problem on “lack of opportunity”, guns, or residential segregation.

    The problem is black African DNA. And the offspring of some of those “good, middle class blacks” also like to like to act all badass and gangsta to honor their blackness and avoid being called an uncle Tom or race sellout. Given that 95% of blacks voted for Hussein Obama Al Baghdadi this would mean middle class blacks voted for Obama just like the ghetto dregs. They also side with their ghetto brethren against the police, so they are a big part of the problem.

  93. Thus the approach towards urban crime that yielded such great results in NYC could not be allowed to legitimized or allowed to be replicated elsewhere

    For now, those of us who support intelligent policing and incarceration have lost.

    So you’re Jewish?

  94. @MEH 0910

    Curious that there were no details about the child or his parents. Let me guess . . .

  95. @Ed

    Another thing that’s going in NYC that’s kind of subtle is that more middle class West Indian and African blacks are replacing downscale American blacks to a greater extent than in Chicago
     
    I think this is driving much of the disparity. I read awhile ago that black immigrants & their kids make up the majority of the black population in NY. The cultures of black immigrants isn't as far gone as USA Blacks, although I will say Caribbean immigrants in NYC do have a crime problem. The rapper involved in the recent shooting at Union Sq is of Guyanese origin. Bobby Shmurda, a rapper facing decades in prison on gang charges, is of Jamaican heritage.

    Chicago got stuck with much of the plantation underclass from the Deep South states, especially Mississippi. Here's an old Atlantic article that picks up on the nuances among Chicago's black population.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/past/politics/poverty/origin1.htm

    I haven’t known of too many black populations that don’t have big problems with crime.

  96. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Heather MacDonald over at City-Journal has written endlessly about "Stop & Frisk" how actually works and how infrequently law abiding blacks are stopped and searched.

    Fact is "Stop and Frisk" is just a far left talking point.

    In reality "Stop & Frisk" is really more like "Observe, Analyse, Stop, Question, Decide, Frisk, Arrest?, Document & Report". In most case locals are asking the police to help with gang members hanging out in front of their residences and businesses.

    Heather MacDonald has detailed the NYT's campaign against Broken Windows policing policies and how they have covered up the criminal history of the aggrieved and the agenda of the left wing activists, lawyers and sympathetic judges.

    Heather MacDonald over at City-Journal

    Heather Mac Donald. Mind the gap!

  97. Something tells me that these weren’t the type of people Obama had for neighbors during his “community organizing” days…

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Think he lived in Hyde Park.
  98. @anonymous-antimarxist

    It’s none of those things of course, but we can’t talk about how the worst parts of black America are enthusiastically outbreeding the middle and upper class parts of that group,
     
    Good, Folks are starting to see this as a dysgenic reproduction problem as much as it is a crime problem.

    Gakirah Barnes for example was twelve months old when her biological father was killed in a gang shooting in 1997. You see the problem is, with even with a rising murder rate, unless the sociopaths are killing themselves before they have a chance to breed a new generation, even a Stalingrad level of homicide would have little impact on future generations of criminality.

    Assuming Gakirah Barnes' father("sperm donor") had a long rap sheet himself worthy of him being administered a chemical vasectomy as a condition of parole, all this mayhem could have been avoided 15 years later.

    On the bright side, inspite of her allegedly committing 20 or more shootings/killings, Ms Barnes here left no offspring.

    Assuming Gakirah Barnes’ father(“sperm donor”)

    Careful! Lesbians and “single mothers by choice” really, really hate it when you use the term that way:

    http://community.babycenter.com/post/a29946921/sperm_donordeadbeat_daddy

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    I will keep that in mind and try to use a more appropriate term like inseminator or maybe spooge slinger ;-)
  99. @Tiny Duck
    We need to prohibit guns. You guys need to read Leonard Pitts

    I don’t know about Leonard Pitts and I haven’t read the replies to this but it is always seemed screamingly obvious to me that if the US is ever to get the large net benefits available from having the gun laws and gun availability of the UK or Australia, for example, then a step by step process which validates the reasoning behind the previous and therefore the next step is essential. First you aim at the most lethal weapons and at people who couldn’t pass character checks. And you say that there will be no further steps until an independent commission of retired judges and cops (or whoever) determine that the previous steps are working in terms of enforceability and in terms of lower gun deaths and injuries after allowing for confounding factors.

  100. @anon
    If the suspect shows indications of a concealed weapon that is probable cause. The libs didn't like the resulting overrepresentation at Rikers so it was stopped.

    Surely there must be portable metal detectors which are reliable enough to give cause for frisking after a casual approach along the sidewalk gives the signal.

  101. @Whiskey
    Steve, I think you are missing the great drama of our time. The collision between BLM and the De Blasio Administration, committed to letting Shitavious and the like do their thing, unmolested by cops, making NYC into a remake of a Snake Plissken movie, and the massive amounts of Chinese and Russian Oligarch money that dumped assets into real estate to protect it from people like Putin and Xi back home.

    Now, if they were AMERICAN billionaires, well they'd just roll over and take it because their social networks and social approval would matter most. Its not as if Obama will suddenly take all their money. But Putin? Xi? The money matters and what does a Chinese or Russian billionaire care about the Atlantic or NYT? Much less parties they don't go to? Those types are more interested in making it rain in a club than some swanky salon with the glitterati. And their money will always get them into celeb places.

    Dems bet it all on Black voters, they are the core and surprise surprise as Gomer Pyle said, said voters don't like their criminal relatives getting locked up. Particularly since violence is the key to a young Black man providing grand kids and such to proud parents. Black violence is as understandable as any hunter-gatherer violence in service of status and sex: see the Amazonian tribes and those in Borneo. About 48% of 84% Black Detroit adults can't read. Why would they? How does that help in getting sex and having kids in the Detroit Ghetto?

    Meanwhile Chinese and Russian big money is not going to sit quietly while their investments erode away. Serious money is at stake.

    Long term, I don't think cities are compatible even a tiny bit with Diversity and such. The rich will simply move out to places like the Hamptons, and telecommute or something. Places like NYC will simply turn into Mega City One from Judge Dredd. The Chinese and Russians will fight valiantly but the tide of relying on Black (and also Hispanic) votes is simply too high.

    Without competing to forecast the distant future I think you are wrong about cities and diversity as a general proposition. London e.g. thrives and according to a close female relation there with two teenage daughters it is great because of its diversity. Of course it doesn’t have the American problem of slavery and its aftermath or the self-interested indulgence of Latino immigration from the Americas. Those are probably the key causal differences.

    • Replies: @anon

    London e.g. thrives
     
    The banking mafia thrives - outside their nests the rest of the city is gradually turning into a giant favela.
  102. I know a Black problem when I see one. It isn’t a gun problem or a crime problem or a street problem. It’s a Black problem.

    My two cents is worth all the billions of apologetic words on the subject that don’t reduce the problem to what it really is. Blacks.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Wish I had not used my Agree button earlier.

    Like the Derb says, it is "Black black blackety-blackety-black. It fills their consciousness and absorbs their attention. What on earth must it be like to so trapped like that, such a prisoner of your own skin? I can’t imagine. I guess, just as the T-shirt slogan says: It’s a black thing; I wouldn’t understand."

    And our government encourages, and even mandates, this madness.

    Damn, I miss the early 60s before everything went to hell.
  103. @Ed
    Some cities & I believe states already have anti- source of income discrimination laws. These laws make discriminating against voucher holders illegal.

    Also the "super" voucher program is already being implemented in Dallas. This is what Julian Castro has been delegated on his way to becoming Clinton's VP pick.

    Voucher holders are given more in vouchers in order for them to afford more expensive properties in more affluent areas. There's been an uptick in crime in Dallas & in areas which didn't have much of it before. Some are blaming the super voucher holders.

    Chicago recently did this as well but when the press got wind of voucher holders living in $3000 a month lakefront apts the backlash was swift and unrelenting. Chicago housing ended the program and the most of voucher holders will have to move next year with the last leaving in '18.

    Are all the lawyers with any ingenuity practising tax or IP law? Surely a landlord who didn’t like the vouchered customers could include stringent (for example) surveillance terms in the lease and allow a (cash) premium to be paid together with something collateral like guarantees in order to waive all such terms.

  104. @Big Bill
    There is a weird community split in most ghettos.

    The older, established folks will complain to their aldermen, who will organize community meetings with police department representatives.

    At those meetings the community members will complain about the gunfire, noise, and dope dealers/gangbangers hanging around on the corners.

    They will demand more patrols and a crackdown on the layabouts. Who, as everybody in the ghetto and police department knows, are criminals.

    When the police do crack down, however, a different group of activist blacks steps forward and complains about police hassling young black men.

    The obvious solution is for the black community to decide what it really wants--crackdowns or crime--and police itself.

    A more fundamental question is whether the black community is going to be an "honor culture" in which personal affronts are met with deadly force, or will it be a "dignity culture" in which slights are ignored as not deserving a response. There is nothing that white folks can do to resolve this.

    The “white folks” did in fact have a means to at least attenuate this behavior: the guns and nightsticks of cops and, in the South, the occasional lynching. Blacks were allowed a lot more freedom to do to each other than to impact the white community, of course. But it was a moderating force.

    Blacks resented it, of course, but by any objective standard it was reasonable.

    When, not if, the United States implodes, there will be areas soley white and soley black, along with some areas where blacks and whites can interdwell, but those will have some other governing mechanism or will go one way or the other. The only questions are who gets what and on what basis., and of course, when.

    I’m old enough I might be, as Isaac Asimov said of his dystopian timeframe, “safely dead by then”. But there is a one hundred percent probability younger readers of this today will get a front row seat.

  105. @Dr. X
    The problem here is that dealing effectively with large numbers of feral blacks requires fascistic policing and gross violations of the Bill of Rights.

    "Stop and frisk" in New York City is a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment; the so-called "probable cause" the cops cite is always flimsy and contrived -- if they have any probable cause at all.

    New York and Chicago also trample on the Second Amendment in ways worse than some foreign countries. In Chicago, it was 100% illegal to own a handgun, even on private property, from 1977 to 2010, when the Supreme Court declared the law unconstitutional. Since then the courts have forced Chicago to allow people to by handguns, but the time, cost, and bureaucratic grief you have to go through still makes it virtually impossible. Same thing in New York -- the permit process is designed to disqualify 95%+ of the applicants. (And we're talking about only the ability to have a gun in your home -- getting permission to carry it is an entirely different, and more difficult, matter).

    So in order to deal with homicidal blacks, urban, "liberal" governments have decided to destroy everybody's civil rights. Perhaps the Old South had it right, after all -- civil rights are for white people, not blacks.

    You seem to know what you are talking about. Why can’t cops use portable metal detectors which give them probable cause for a search after walking close to suspected pedestrians?

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    Portable metal detectors still constitute a "search" of one's "person" which is protected under the Fourth Amendment without "warrants" or "probable cause." (Besides, such devices could generate a lot of "false positives," e.g. metal belt buckles.)

    And any such search is intended to detect the presence of weapons, such as guns and knives, which are protected by the Second Amendment. The problem with gun laws in New York, Chicago, D.C., and other places is that they criminalize the possession of a weapon in and of itself, rather than the unlawful use of that weapon.

    Under the Second Amendment, you ought to be able to possess weapons to be used for lawful self-defense, and the cops only should have grounds to arrest you if you use that weapon unlawfully -- e.g., armed robbery, homicide, brandishing, etc.

    Whites are generally (of course not 100%) capable of carrying and handling weapons lawfully, while blacks are generally not. Vermont, which is the whitest state in the Union, has literally no gun laws. You can possess and carry a handgun just about any time for any reason, openly or concealed, without a permit... as long as you don't commit a crime with it, you won't be arrested.

    That's called "freedom."
  106. @anonymous-antimarxist
    Heather MacDonald over at City-Journal has written endlessly about "Stop & Frisk" how actually works and how infrequently law abiding blacks are stopped and searched.

    Fact is "Stop and Frisk" is just a far left talking point.

    In reality "Stop & Frisk" is really more like "Observe, Analyse, Stop, Question, Decide, Frisk, Arrest?, Document & Report". In most case locals are asking the police to help with gang members hanging out in front of their residences and businesses.

    Heather MacDonald has detailed the NYT's campaign against Broken Windows policing policies and how they have covered up the criminal history of the aggrieved and the agenda of the left wing activists, lawyers and sympathetic judges.

    And I repeat….what’s wrong with having portable metal detectors to add heavily to the evidence of probable cause?

  107. “so they’re just shooting each other over low-level knuckleheadedness.”

    Shouldn’t that be:

    “so they’re just shooting each other over low-level knuckledragging”.

  108. @V Vega

    As for the hormone blocker, I guess chemical castration is permitted in some states so this could be legal…seems to have echoes of A Clockwork Orange that I am sure would get the SJWs wound up.
     
    Ironic that "A Clockwork Orange" was based on the author's wife being gang-raped by a home-invading hoard of black men, back in the day. In the book, he changed the perps race to white, in the movie, Kubrick added having them raping while singing a broadway show tune, creating a bizarre racial self-hatred narrative to beat the band.

    I’ve searched for confirmation of your story that Anthony Burgess’s first wife was raped by blacks but can find none. She seems to have been raped in the UK in the 1940s by Americans described as “US Army deserters”. There would have been a few of those out of the hundreds of thousands of US servicemen in Britain waiting for D Day or perhaps on leave after it. But mostly white. So… source? Credible evidence?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    I found it on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Burgess.

    Never heard it before and IMNSHO Wikipedia is suspect on anything other than STEM. Another nice idea hijacked by the SJWs.

  109. @fish
    Marginally OT:

    The inability to tell the 3rd floor from the 4th floor...


    "Police: Pelicans guard Dejean-Jones fatally shot in Dallas"

     
    .......solution additional gun control.

    Money quote....



    Julie Keel, a spokeswoman for Camden Property Trust, the real estate company that owns the apartment complex in Dallas, confirmed that the complex's apartment manager had sent out an email to residents saying that the person who had been shot had been trying to break into "the apartment of an estranged acquaintance" and that this person had "inadvertently" broken into the wrong apartment.

     
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/texas/article/Police-Pelicans-guard-Dejean-Jones-fatally-shot-7951346.php

    The incident is very Steve Sailer friendly.

    Steve recently posted “Half of NBA Players Related to Another Elite Athlete”. According to his tweet, Shabazz Muhammad who plays for the Minnesota Timberwolves is Dejean Jones’s cousin.

    Steve also posted “Remembering Jewish White Flight from L.A. Public Schools”. Dejean Jones is a proud graduate of LAUSD’s Taft High School, alma mater of Ice Cube and the NBA’s Jordan Farmar (Jewish).

    Jones is being praised in death although it sounds like, at least in his mind, he was in the midst of a domestic dispute. I doubt he had a will so his estate will probably go to his illegitimate child(ren). Problem is that he was a rookie and barely played in the NBA only earning $169K. He did sign a 3-year $3M contract before being injured for the season. The league is usually good with backing up its investment with an insurance policy (see Boston Celtic’s Reggie Lewis), so maybe the child(ren) will receive a contract payout or insurance money.

  110. @JohnnyD
    Something tells me that these weren't the type of people Obama had for neighbors during his "community organizing" days...

    Think he lived in Hyde Park.

  111. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    “…as Steve says, certainly a violation of ‘civil rights’ (not that I care), but it clearly works.”

    This “works” until it is YOU being frisked…if we are gunna even bother calling america a “democracy” then we have something called…you know…”Rule of Law”? We start treating some black guy outside the rule
    of law because he is not wearing a suit and tie then we are a failed state like Iraq or Ukraine.

    Folks in UK and Aussie land calling for violating the 2nd Amendment might
    also want to explain the skyrocketing violent crime in their countries
    since they gave up their means of self defense…. I will be keeping
    my Glock thank you very much.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    You seem to have a rather free range view of what the 2nd Amendment requires or allows even in the hands of conservatives on SCOTUS. As you should know there isn't a problem with limiting private handling of some of the more dangerous weapons or who can own them amongst many other restrictions which have not been invalidated under the Second Amendment. Anyway the obvious tactic is to move steadily with the evidence stacking up - in America - in favour of staged restrictions so that, to the extent that it is legslly necessary Constitutional amendment eould eventually become possible.

    As to your suggesting that violent crime has "skyrocketed" in the UK and Australia "since they gave up their means of self defense" - where do you get such total rubbish from? Some NRA wannabe's comic book?

    Neither country has ever made handgun ownership generally legal, nor was it widespread, so when do you suggest it was removed? The buying back snd consequent reduction of numbers of automatic and semi-automatic weapons after the 1997 Port Arthur (Tasmania) massacre by a near retard has undoubtedly had one effect only: an almost total elimination of multiple shootings.

    None of Australia's states have homicide rates even remotely approaching those in the US and that is a fortiori for gun related deaths including accident snd suicide. Shoot outs with police are virtually unknown.
  112. @Jim Christian
    I know a Black problem when I see one. It isn't a gun problem or a crime problem or a street problem. It's a Black problem.

    My two cents is worth all the billions of apologetic words on the subject that don't reduce the problem to what it really is. Blacks.

    Wish I had not used my Agree button earlier.

    Like the Derb says, it is “Black black blackety-blackety-black. It fills their consciousness and absorbs their attention. What on earth must it be like to so trapped like that, such a prisoner of your own skin? I can’t imagine. I guess, just as the T-shirt slogan says: It’s a black thing; I wouldn’t understand.”

    And our government encourages, and even mandates, this madness.

    Damn, I miss the early 60s before everything went to hell.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets

    Damn, I miss the early 60s before everything went to hell.
     
    F you, and your desire to return to sanity. How dare you highlight just how different things were in, say, 1965. (Just kidding.)

    I recall a place where people really were safe. Violent crime was all but non-existent. Property crime was extremely rare. In a suburb of Chicago one could almost (but maybe not quite) leave your doors unlocked when you left home to run an errand.

    I recall a place where some friends and I climbed to the roof of a downtown commercial building to watch the Memorial Day Parade wind by, and no one panicked, no one called the cops, no harm was done, and a good time was had by all. I recall a few years still in the early 1970's being able to spend each summer day at a huge swimming pool where there were ZERO fights, ZERO notable thefts, ZERO sexual assaults (well, except for one weird teen with wandering hands who had to be kicked a few times by girls) and teens were entirely self-controlled in the absence of adult supervision. Imagine that: groups of 14- and 15-year-olds who behaved themselves in the absence, for all practical purposes, of any adult.

    The main ingredient: The citizenry was 100% white, 98% middle class.
  113. @Wizard of Oz
    You seem to know what you are talking about. Why can't cops use portable metal detectors which give them probable cause for a search after walking close to suspected pedestrians?

    Portable metal detectors still constitute a “search” of one’s “person” which is protected under the Fourth Amendment without “warrants” or “probable cause.” (Besides, such devices could generate a lot of “false positives,” e.g. metal belt buckles.)

    And any such search is intended to detect the presence of weapons, such as guns and knives, which are protected by the Second Amendment. The problem with gun laws in New York, Chicago, D.C., and other places is that they criminalize the possession of a weapon in and of itself, rather than the unlawful use of that weapon.

    Under the Second Amendment, you ought to be able to possess weapons to be used for lawful self-defense, and the cops only should have grounds to arrest you if you use that weapon unlawfully — e.g., armed robbery, homicide, brandishing, etc.

    Whites are generally (of course not 100%) capable of carrying and handling weapons lawfully, while blacks are generally not. Vermont, which is the whitest state in the Union, has literally no gun laws. You can possess and carry a handgun just about any time for any reason, openly or concealed, without a permit… as long as you don’t commit a crime with it, you won’t be arrested.

    That’s called “freedom.”

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    @Wizard of Oz
    Portable metal detectors still constitute a “search” of one’s “person” which is protected under the Fourth Amendment without “warrants” or “probable cause.” (Besides, such devices could generate a lot of “false positives,” e.g. metal belt buckles.)
     
    Your Constitution says …

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons … against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
     
    She's a search but is she an unreasonable search? That's what they got me on when the border crossed me. ¡No hay que buscarle mangas al chaleco!
  114. @Wizard of Oz
    I've searched for confirmation of your story that Anthony Burgess's first wife was raped by blacks but can find none. She seems to have been raped in the UK in the 1940s by Americans described as "US Army deserters". There would have been a few of those out of the hundreds of thousands of US servicemen in Britain waiting for D Day or perhaps on leave after it. But mostly white. So... source? Credible evidence?

    I found it on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Burgess.

    Never heard it before and IMNSHO Wikipedia is suspect on anything other than STEM. Another nice idea hijacked by the SJWs.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    But it doesn't say the deserters were black, though it adds the info that there were allegedly four of them.
  115. @Reg Cæsar

    Assuming Gakirah Barnes’ father(“sperm donor”)
     
    Careful! Lesbians and "single mothers by choice" really, really hate it when you use the term that way:

    http://community.babycenter.com/post/a29946921/sperm_donordeadbeat_daddy

    I will keep that in mind and try to use a more appropriate term like inseminator or maybe spooge slinger 😉

  116. @Wizard of Oz
    Without competing to forecast the distant future I think you are wrong about cities and diversity as a general proposition. London e.g. thrives and according to a close female relation there with two teenage daughters it is great because of its diversity. Of course it doesn't have the American problem of slavery and its aftermath or the self-interested indulgence of Latino immigration from the Americas. Those are probably the key causal differences.

    London e.g. thrives

    The banking mafia thrives – outside their nests the rest of the city is gradually turning into a giant favela.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Are you a drug taking unsuccessful Londoner? Otherwise what feeds such a fevered imagination. Your "favela" shows you to be totally ignorant of London real estate. All my young friends who have even a toehold on the booming London domestic real estate market are confidently investing whatever they can in fancy additions and improvements and this is not in £10 million Mayfair or Belgravia properties.
  117. Dirk Dagger [AKA "Chico Caldera"] says: • Website
    @Dr. X
    Portable metal detectors still constitute a "search" of one's "person" which is protected under the Fourth Amendment without "warrants" or "probable cause." (Besides, such devices could generate a lot of "false positives," e.g. metal belt buckles.)

    And any such search is intended to detect the presence of weapons, such as guns and knives, which are protected by the Second Amendment. The problem with gun laws in New York, Chicago, D.C., and other places is that they criminalize the possession of a weapon in and of itself, rather than the unlawful use of that weapon.

    Under the Second Amendment, you ought to be able to possess weapons to be used for lawful self-defense, and the cops only should have grounds to arrest you if you use that weapon unlawfully -- e.g., armed robbery, homicide, brandishing, etc.

    Whites are generally (of course not 100%) capable of carrying and handling weapons lawfully, while blacks are generally not. Vermont, which is the whitest state in the Union, has literally no gun laws. You can possess and carry a handgun just about any time for any reason, openly or concealed, without a permit... as long as you don't commit a crime with it, you won't be arrested.

    That's called "freedom."


    Portable metal detectors still constitute a “search” of one’s “person” which is protected under the Fourth Amendment without “warrants” or “probable cause.” (Besides, such devices could generate a lot of “false positives,” e.g. metal belt buckles.)

    Your Constitution says …

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons … against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    She’s a search but is she an unreasonable search? That’s what they got me on when the border crossed me. ¡No hay que buscarle mangas al chaleco!

  118. Ah yes, just in:

    Chicago’s Memorial Weekend: 40 Shot, 4 Dead by Sunday Morning
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/29/chicago-memorial-weekend-40-shot-4-dead/

  119. @Lugash
    They never wipe each other out. The waring groups just keep at it. Eventually the dominant gang in area starts to take over legit businesses. If you let it fester long enough you get Shrimp Boy Chow and Leland Yee.

    Anything to divert attention from black crime. The MSM wants you!

  120. @Anonymous
    "...as Steve says, certainly a violation of ‘civil rights’ (not that I care), but it clearly works."

    This "works" until it is YOU being frisked...if we are gunna even bother calling america a "democracy" then we have something called...you know..."Rule of Law"? We start treating some black guy outside the rule
    of law because he is not wearing a suit and tie then we are a failed state like Iraq or Ukraine.

    Folks in UK and Aussie land calling for violating the 2nd Amendment might
    also want to explain the skyrocketing violent crime in their countries
    since they gave up their means of self defense.... I will be keeping
    my Glock thank you very much.

    You seem to have a rather free range view of what the 2nd Amendment requires or allows even in the hands of conservatives on SCOTUS. As you should know there isn’t a problem with limiting private handling of some of the more dangerous weapons or who can own them amongst many other restrictions which have not been invalidated under the Second Amendment. Anyway the obvious tactic is to move steadily with the evidence stacking up – in America – in favour of staged restrictions so that, to the extent that it is legslly necessary Constitutional amendment eould eventually become possible.

    As to your suggesting that violent crime has “skyrocketed” in the UK and Australia “since they gave up their means of self defense” – where do you get such total rubbish from? Some NRA wannabe’s comic book?

    Neither country has ever made handgun ownership generally legal, nor was it widespread, so when do you suggest it was removed? The buying back snd consequent reduction of numbers of automatic and semi-automatic weapons after the 1997 Port Arthur (Tasmania) massacre by a near retard has undoubtedly had one effect only: an almost total elimination of multiple shootings.

    None of Australia’s states have homicide rates even remotely approaching those in the US and that is a fortiori for gun related deaths including accident snd suicide. Shoot outs with police are virtually unknown.

    • Replies: @anon

    Neither country has ever made handgun ownership generally legal, nor was it widespread, so when do you suggest it was removed?
     
    Lie
  121. @anonymous-antimarxist

    Are “violent sociopathic young men” responsive to anti-drug campaigns?
     
    Well after the a decade long crack epidemic/war, the expression in the ghetto became "Crack is Whack" so anything is possible. As studies are showing the upsurge in recent violence is less drug turf war related but instead connected to a marked increase in mayhem due to a loss of impulse control.

    Robotripping has been heavily promoted by the most brain dead elements in rap culture. DXM abuse and associated violence was a serious problem in a number of third world countries before their governments cracked down.

    President Obama loves to name drop Lil Wayne and express his paternal feelings for Saint Trayvon. It would seem an effective campaign against DXM abuse and the violence associated with it would only require some leadership and a willingness to run counter to the BLM narrative.

    But does the demographic we are talking about actually care about their paternity/legacy/etc.

     

    Of course not, young black male law breakers don't want to have kids at all, but just not enough to wear a condom. They also don't want to spend additional time behind bars just so they can have a bastard they have no intention of providing for as soon as they hit the streets. Vasalgel/Risug as a condition of early parole would seem to be a relatively easy deal to make.

    Black women control fertility and they aren’t that picky about who the father is. Unless you sterilized every male thug in the ghetto it wouldn’t do a thing. Instead of Nyquan and Shaquan having 12 kids with 4 different women each you’d have Tyquan who would have 24 kids with 8.

    • Replies: @anon

    Unless you sterilized every male thug in the ghetto it wouldn’t do a thing.
     
    genetics says you're wrong

    (although i'm personally not in favor of any kind of chemical solution)
    , @Jefferson
    "Black women control fertility and they aren’t that picky about who the father is."

    Neither are the women in China and India with their 1 billion plus populations.
  122. @Jim Don Bob
    I found it on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Burgess.

    Never heard it before and IMNSHO Wikipedia is suspect on anything other than STEM. Another nice idea hijacked by the SJWs.

    But it doesn’t say the deserters were black, though it adds the info that there were allegedly four of them.

  123. The buying back snd consequent reduction of numbers of automatic and semi-automatic weapons after the 1997 Port Arthur (Tasmania) massacre by a near retard has undoubtedly had one effect only: an almost total elimination of multiple shootings.

    And increased crime by dindus and the like.

  124. Perhaps the size of generations is a factor in crime. Crime is associated with youth.
    When crime was rising in the 1960s and 1970s, Baby Boomers were adolescents and young adults.

    After the Boomers came Generation X, a smaller generation. It has been sometimes been called “The Baby Bust Generation”. Perhaps crime went down after the 1980s because there were less adolescents and young adults committing crime.

    We now have the Millennial Generation, which is bigger than Generation X. The Millennial Generation has sometimes been called “The Echo Boom”. So with more young people, more crime. Also, campus and political unrest is the highest its been since the late 1960s. Millennials are in college now.

  125. @Wizard of Oz
    You seem to have a rather free range view of what the 2nd Amendment requires or allows even in the hands of conservatives on SCOTUS. As you should know there isn't a problem with limiting private handling of some of the more dangerous weapons or who can own them amongst many other restrictions which have not been invalidated under the Second Amendment. Anyway the obvious tactic is to move steadily with the evidence stacking up - in America - in favour of staged restrictions so that, to the extent that it is legslly necessary Constitutional amendment eould eventually become possible.

    As to your suggesting that violent crime has "skyrocketed" in the UK and Australia "since they gave up their means of self defense" - where do you get such total rubbish from? Some NRA wannabe's comic book?

    Neither country has ever made handgun ownership generally legal, nor was it widespread, so when do you suggest it was removed? The buying back snd consequent reduction of numbers of automatic and semi-automatic weapons after the 1997 Port Arthur (Tasmania) massacre by a near retard has undoubtedly had one effect only: an almost total elimination of multiple shootings.

    None of Australia's states have homicide rates even remotely approaching those in the US and that is a fortiori for gun related deaths including accident snd suicide. Shoot outs with police are virtually unknown.

    Neither country has ever made handgun ownership generally legal, nor was it widespread, so when do you suggest it was removed?

    Lie

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Ah, monosyllables and six shooters. I see the sign of too many John Wayne era movies. But assuming you can actually read and write would you care to show that the brave "anon" actually knows *anything" about Australia; especially too its gun laws and gun use now and historically?

    Otherwise it will continue to be a source of wonder that anyone should want to pollute UR with ignorant doubly anonymous rubbish.

  126. @Jack D
    Black women control fertility and they aren't that picky about who the father is. Unless you sterilized every male thug in the ghetto it wouldn't do a thing. Instead of Nyquan and Shaquan having 12 kids with 4 different women each you'd have Tyquan who would have 24 kids with 8.

    Unless you sterilized every male thug in the ghetto it wouldn’t do a thing.

    genetics says you’re wrong

    (although i’m personally not in favor of any kind of chemical solution)

  127. Authorities shoot and kill UNARMED GORILLA who was well known to the community as a gentle giant. Social media SJWs blame whites.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/astonishing-new-footage-shows-gorilla-8082168

  128. Hey Reg, I’ve often wondered what you’re getting at with your “history of racist gun control in the US” thing.

    Then it hit me; we should refuse to even consider gun control, because of gun control’s racist legacy. Sort of like how Hitler spoiled eugenics and (white) ethoncentrism for everyone (except Jews), the racist south spoiled gun control for everyone.

    You’d think liberals would have realized this on their own, but, gosh, it seems to have escaped them! Funny, that.

    I dunno if that’s what you’re getting at, but I like it. Every time libs bring up gun control, we should react the way liberals react when someone brings up eugenics.

  129. Community comes together to hold a vigil to remember the gentle giant, and protest shooting of UNARMED GORILLA by fascist authorities:

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/30/vigil-cincinnati-zoo-gorilla-harambe/85152170/

    All we need now is for someone to assert that Harambe was an aspiring rapper.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Community comes together to hold a vigil to remember the gentle giant, and protest shooting of UNARMED GORILLA by fascist authorities:

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/30/vigil-cincinnati-zoo-gorilla-harambe/85152170/

    All we need now is for someone to assert that Harambe was an aspiring rapper."


    All of the people at the vigil for the dead gorilla Harambe are White.

    The stereotype is true that a high percentage of White people like animals way more than they like Humans.

    , @dc.sunsets
    The family of the 3 year old BLACK kid who prompted the killing of the gorilla is under investigation.

    Who
    Loses
    Track
    Of
    Their
    3
    Year
    Old

    long enough for the kid to climb through all the barriers that proved sufficiently protective for the prior 38 years?

    Maybe this was just another case of a black woman hoping that the death of her kid comes with a six figure legal settlement. It just didn't work out that way.
  130. Sorry: UNARMED GORILLA CHILD; he was only 17.

  131. @Big Bill
    There is a weird community split in most ghettos.

    The older, established folks will complain to their aldermen, who will organize community meetings with police department representatives.

    At those meetings the community members will complain about the gunfire, noise, and dope dealers/gangbangers hanging around on the corners.

    They will demand more patrols and a crackdown on the layabouts. Who, as everybody in the ghetto and police department knows, are criminals.

    When the police do crack down, however, a different group of activist blacks steps forward and complains about police hassling young black men.

    The obvious solution is for the black community to decide what it really wants--crackdowns or crime--and police itself.

    A more fundamental question is whether the black community is going to be an "honor culture" in which personal affronts are met with deadly force, or will it be a "dignity culture" in which slights are ignored as not deserving a response. There is nothing that white folks can do to resolve this.

    When I had my retail business (not too many miles from the ghetto), older black folks were among the nicest and most respectful of all of my customers. Didn’t have many of them, but I did enjoy dealing with them, despite the fact that their disposable income was somewhat limited.

    I always feel bad for them, as they get grouped in with the generic definition “black America,” and all of the negatives that go along with it. On the other hand, they didn’t do something right, because where did all of these young black criminals come from? Of course, the experiences I had in my business were 20-ish years ago, so maybe all of those nice old people are gone.

  132. @anon

    Neither country has ever made handgun ownership generally legal, nor was it widespread, so when do you suggest it was removed?
     
    Lie

    Ah, monosyllables and six shooters. I see the sign of too many John Wayne era movies. But assuming you can actually read and write would you care to show that the brave “anon” actually knows *anything” about Australia; especially too its gun laws and gun use now and historically?

    Otherwise it will continue to be a source of wonder that anyone should want to pollute UR with ignorant doubly anonymous rubbish.

    • Replies: @anon

    Neither country has ever made handgun ownership generally legal, nor was it widespread, so when do you suggest it was removed?
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom#Gun_control_legislation_in_the_United_Kingdom

    English Common Law is the basis for the 2nd Amendment.

    Actual restrictions on gun sales didn't start until the 1920s and were mostly politically motivated i.e. fear of working class unrest with no restrictions on "respectable" people and most importantly only happened *after* gun stranger homicides were near zero.

    Anyone trying to make comparisons with the UK should bear in mind the key difference - it was originally legal in the UK for everyone to have weapons for self defence including guns and restrictions on gun ownership only happened *after* stranger homicides were already near zero before any restrictions.

    This is not the case in the US.

    , @anon
    Nested adhoms with no substance is an ethnic signature btw.
  133. @Svigor
    Community comes together to hold a vigil to remember the gentle giant, and protest shooting of UNARMED GORILLA by fascist authorities:

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/30/vigil-cincinnati-zoo-gorilla-harambe/85152170/

    All we need now is for someone to assert that Harambe was an aspiring rapper.

    “Community comes together to hold a vigil to remember the gentle giant, and protest shooting of UNARMED GORILLA by fascist authorities:

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/30/vigil-cincinnati-zoo-gorilla-harambe/85152170/

    All we need now is for someone to assert that Harambe was an aspiring rapper.”

    All of the people at the vigil for the dead gorilla Harambe are White.

    The stereotype is true that a high percentage of White people like animals way more than they like Humans.

  134. @Jack D
    Black women control fertility and they aren't that picky about who the father is. Unless you sterilized every male thug in the ghetto it wouldn't do a thing. Instead of Nyquan and Shaquan having 12 kids with 4 different women each you'd have Tyquan who would have 24 kids with 8.

    “Black women control fertility and they aren’t that picky about who the father is.”

    Neither are the women in China and India with their 1 billion plus populations.

  135. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Ah, monosyllables and six shooters. I see the sign of too many John Wayne era movies. But assuming you can actually read and write would you care to show that the brave "anon" actually knows *anything" about Australia; especially too its gun laws and gun use now and historically?

    Otherwise it will continue to be a source of wonder that anyone should want to pollute UR with ignorant doubly anonymous rubbish.

    Neither country has ever made handgun ownership generally legal, nor was it widespread, so when do you suggest it was removed?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom#Gun_control_legislation_in_the_United_Kingdom

    English Common Law is the basis for the 2nd Amendment.

    Actual restrictions on gun sales didn’t start until the 1920s and were mostly politically motivated i.e. fear of working class unrest with no restrictions on “respectable” people and most importantly only happened *after* gun stranger homicides were near zero.

    Anyone trying to make comparisons with the UK should bear in mind the key difference – it was originally legal in the UK for everyone to have weapons for self defence including guns and restrictions on gun ownership only happened *after* stranger homicides were already near zero before any restrictions.

    This is not the case in the US.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I think you should have read more of the interesting long Wiki article that you linked. Passing over legislation going back to 1584 I suggest you consider at least the Vagrancy Act 1824 and the Pistols Act 1903.
  136. @Wizard of Oz
    Ah, monosyllables and six shooters. I see the sign of too many John Wayne era movies. But assuming you can actually read and write would you care to show that the brave "anon" actually knows *anything" about Australia; especially too its gun laws and gun use now and historically?

    Otherwise it will continue to be a source of wonder that anyone should want to pollute UR with ignorant doubly anonymous rubbish.

    Nested adhoms with no substance is an ethnic signature btw.

  137. @anon

    London e.g. thrives
     
    The banking mafia thrives - outside their nests the rest of the city is gradually turning into a giant favela.

    Are you a drug taking unsuccessful Londoner? Otherwise what feeds such a fevered imagination. Your “favela” shows you to be totally ignorant of London real estate. All my young friends who have even a toehold on the booming London domestic real estate market are confidently investing whatever they can in fancy additions and improvements and this is not in £10 million Mayfair or Belgravia properties.

    • Replies: @anon
    I have no doubt your friends are all little Rachmans.

    You're correct that the property values of what used to be single family homes with a nice garden/yard is very high as are the number of impoverished families that now live in most of them.

    It's their value to landlords as multiple occupancy that boosts the value of the remaining single family homes.

    The population density is heading back to Victorian numbers thanks to you and your friends.
  138. @anon

    Neither country has ever made handgun ownership generally legal, nor was it widespread, so when do you suggest it was removed?
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom#Gun_control_legislation_in_the_United_Kingdom

    English Common Law is the basis for the 2nd Amendment.

    Actual restrictions on gun sales didn't start until the 1920s and were mostly politically motivated i.e. fear of working class unrest with no restrictions on "respectable" people and most importantly only happened *after* gun stranger homicides were near zero.

    Anyone trying to make comparisons with the UK should bear in mind the key difference - it was originally legal in the UK for everyone to have weapons for self defence including guns and restrictions on gun ownership only happened *after* stranger homicides were already near zero before any restrictions.

    This is not the case in the US.

    I think you should have read more of the interesting long Wiki article that you linked. Passing over legislation going back to 1584 I suggest you consider at least the Vagrancy Act 1824 and the Pistols Act 1903.

    • Replies: @anon
    And I'd suggest you stop lying if I believed it was possible.

    Guns were perfectly legal and widespread in the UK as the right to bear arms was part of English Common Law.
  139. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    Are you a drug taking unsuccessful Londoner? Otherwise what feeds such a fevered imagination. Your "favela" shows you to be totally ignorant of London real estate. All my young friends who have even a toehold on the booming London domestic real estate market are confidently investing whatever they can in fancy additions and improvements and this is not in £10 million Mayfair or Belgravia properties.

    I have no doubt your friends are all little Rachmans.

    You’re correct that the property values of what used to be single family homes with a nice garden/yard is very high as are the number of impoverished families that now live in most of them.

    It’s their value to landlords as multiple occupancy that boosts the value of the remaining single family homes.

    The population density is heading back to Victorian numbers thanks to you and your friends.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    How do you maintain your impenetrable ignorance? Are you not aware of concerns in some municipalities that densities are actually becoming lower so that restrictions on amalgamating houses to form single larger ones have been instituted?
  140. @Wizard of Oz
    I think you should have read more of the interesting long Wiki article that you linked. Passing over legislation going back to 1584 I suggest you consider at least the Vagrancy Act 1824 and the Pistols Act 1903.

    And I’d suggest you stop lying if I believed it was possible.

    Guns were perfectly legal and widespread in the UK as the right to bear arms was part of English Common Law.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Are you really one of those simple minded or paranoid people who sees any disagreement as lying? Apart from pathological liars or inveterate liars for sheer mischief it makes no sense to diagnose lying without a motive. What possible motive could I have to lie about readily ascertainable history? (Recklessness with the truth is of course frequently seen in UR in the comments of those who are so certain of their versions of reality that they can't be bothered with checking or updating).

    And try taking the simple minded mask off and acknowledging that English common law never gave rise to the actuality or possibility of anything like Second Amendment litigation, neither the UK or Australia had anything like the widespread gun ownership of the US or the semi-automatic weapons, that progressive restrictions on guns ownership and that possession in other Anglophone countries started well over 100 years ago so you simply have no factual or legislative basis for your apparent line that violent crime has risen in those countries in a way which would support a causal link between law abiding citizens ceasing to carry or own firearms and their being subjected to violent crime.

  141. @anon

    Not to be overly cold-blooded about it, but who cares?
     
    HUD and Section 8 says you'll care soon enough

    Yep. AFFH. They plan on adjusting the subsidy higher for better neighborhoods instead of just a fixed amount. So if a dirt bag wants to live next to you, the government will pay them more.

    The good news is the hood rats will be paying the market price. So at least you can sell out early.

  142. @anon
    And I'd suggest you stop lying if I believed it was possible.

    Guns were perfectly legal and widespread in the UK as the right to bear arms was part of English Common Law.

    Are you really one of those simple minded or paranoid people who sees any disagreement as lying? Apart from pathological liars or inveterate liars for sheer mischief it makes no sense to diagnose lying without a motive. What possible motive could I have to lie about readily ascertainable history? (Recklessness with the truth is of course frequently seen in UR in the comments of those who are so certain of their versions of reality that they can’t be bothered with checking or updating).

    And try taking the simple minded mask off and acknowledging that English common law never gave rise to the actuality or possibility of anything like Second Amendment litigation, neither the UK or Australia had anything like the widespread gun ownership of the US or the semi-automatic weapons, that progressive restrictions on guns ownership and that possession in other Anglophone countries started well over 100 years ago so you simply have no factual or legislative basis for your apparent line that violent crime has risen in those countries in a way which would support a causal link between law abiding citizens ceasing to carry or own firearms and their being subjected to violent crime.

  143. @anon
    I have no doubt your friends are all little Rachmans.

    You're correct that the property values of what used to be single family homes with a nice garden/yard is very high as are the number of impoverished families that now live in most of them.

    It's their value to landlords as multiple occupancy that boosts the value of the remaining single family homes.

    The population density is heading back to Victorian numbers thanks to you and your friends.

    How do you maintain your impenetrable ignorance? Are you not aware of concerns in some municipalities that densities are actually becoming lower so that restrictions on amalgamating houses to form single larger ones have been instituted?

  144. Chicago doesn’t have a murder problem. Killing dysfunctional psychopaths like Gakirah Barnes is a solution, not a problem.

  145. @IBC
    Very good article. The data presented raises serious questions about some of Charles Murray's conclusions on the relationship between welfare and social disfunction, at least among black Chicagoans. It'd be interesting to see the corresponding numbers for other cities like Milwaukee, or Gary, Indiana. Also, if the article's other conclusions are correct, do policy honchos like Mayor Emanuel, have a plan to more effectively assimilate Chicago's black underclass once they've been dispersed from the ghetto and resettled in other parts of Illinois?

    do policy honchos like Mayor Emanuel, have a plan to more effectively assimilate Chicago’s black underclass once they’ve been dispersed from the ghetto and resettled in other parts of Illinois?

    They already did.

    http://www.wrex.com/story/31584224/rockford-police-review-this-weekends-violence

    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/12/16/the-10-most-dangerous-towns-in-illinois/

    Rockford IL has the distinction of receiving a considerable share of the people dispersed when Chicago’s concentrated low-income housing projects were demolished.

    It is now the most dangerous town in Illinois. On a per capita basis, Rockford far surpasses the crime rate of Chicago. Shootings are now an almost daily occurrence on Rockford’s west side, but the violence is spilling into the (previously safer) east side and murders and armed robberies are taking place in broad daylight.

  146. @Svigor
    Community comes together to hold a vigil to remember the gentle giant, and protest shooting of UNARMED GORILLA by fascist authorities:

    http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/05/30/vigil-cincinnati-zoo-gorilla-harambe/85152170/

    All we need now is for someone to assert that Harambe was an aspiring rapper.

    The family of the 3 year old BLACK kid who prompted the killing of the gorilla is under investigation.

    Who
    Loses
    Track
    Of
    Their
    3
    Year
    Old

    long enough for the kid to climb through all the barriers that proved sufficiently protective for the prior 38 years?

    Maybe this was just another case of a black woman hoping that the death of her kid comes with a six figure legal settlement. It just didn’t work out that way.

  147. @Jim Don Bob
    Wish I had not used my Agree button earlier.

    Like the Derb says, it is "Black black blackety-blackety-black. It fills their consciousness and absorbs their attention. What on earth must it be like to so trapped like that, such a prisoner of your own skin? I can’t imagine. I guess, just as the T-shirt slogan says: It’s a black thing; I wouldn’t understand."

    And our government encourages, and even mandates, this madness.

    Damn, I miss the early 60s before everything went to hell.

    Damn, I miss the early 60s before everything went to hell.

    F you, and your desire to return to sanity. How dare you highlight just how different things were in, say, 1965. (Just kidding.)

    I recall a place where people really were safe. Violent crime was all but non-existent. Property crime was extremely rare. In a suburb of Chicago one could almost (but maybe not quite) leave your doors unlocked when you left home to run an errand.

    I recall a place where some friends and I climbed to the roof of a downtown commercial building to watch the Memorial Day Parade wind by, and no one panicked, no one called the cops, no harm was done, and a good time was had by all. I recall a few years still in the early 1970’s being able to spend each summer day at a huge swimming pool where there were ZERO fights, ZERO notable thefts, ZERO sexual assaults (well, except for one weird teen with wandering hands who had to be kicked a few times by girls) and teens were entirely self-controlled in the absence of adult supervision. Imagine that: groups of 14- and 15-year-olds who behaved themselves in the absence, for all practical purposes, of any adult.

    The main ingredient: The citizenry was 100% white, 98% middle class.

  148. @IBC
    Very good article. The data presented raises serious questions about some of Charles Murray's conclusions on the relationship between welfare and social disfunction, at least among black Chicagoans. It'd be interesting to see the corresponding numbers for other cities like Milwaukee, or Gary, Indiana. Also, if the article's other conclusions are correct, do policy honchos like Mayor Emanuel, have a plan to more effectively assimilate Chicago's black underclass once they've been dispersed from the ghetto and resettled in other parts of Illinois?

    Rockford is in the process of repeating Chicago’s earlier dispersion, only this time city officials are dispersing the focal points for violent crime, the city’s housing projects on the west side, to the east side.

    Those who own properties near the planned location for an east side housing project are understandably enraged, but for all practical purposes they are being told by the mayor and other city officials to F themselves, the project will be jammed down their throats regardless of how vehement their objections.

    Sounds a lot like what the Obama Admin (and its predecessors) did to Rand Paul’s Bowling Green KY

    http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/muslim-immigrants-settled-in-rand-pauls-hometown/

    Isn’t it about time we start pointing out to the LOCAL people effecting these policies that when the predictable mayhem follows, WE WILL HOLD THEM PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE?

    • Replies: @anon

    Isn’t it about time we start pointing out to the LOCAL people effecting these policies that when the predictable mayhem follows, WE WILL HOLD THEM PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE?
     
    it's the only way - however it needs enough ppl to agree to not be counter productive - if we ever get to that point it'll start happening
  149. It’s this stupidity that prevents a solution.

    The person who killed her was still around but now with a killer rep that helps him reproduce.

  150. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @dc.sunsets
    Rockford is in the process of repeating Chicago's earlier dispersion, only this time city officials are dispersing the focal points for violent crime, the city's housing projects on the west side, to the east side.

    Those who own properties near the planned location for an east side housing project are understandably enraged, but for all practical purposes they are being told by the mayor and other city officials to F themselves, the project will be jammed down their throats regardless of how vehement their objections.

    Sounds a lot like what the Obama Admin (and its predecessors) did to Rand Paul's Bowling Green KY

    http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/muslim-immigrants-settled-in-rand-pauls-hometown/

    Isn't it about time we start pointing out to the LOCAL people effecting these policies that when the predictable mayhem follows, WE WILL HOLD THEM PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE?

    Isn’t it about time we start pointing out to the LOCAL people effecting these policies that when the predictable mayhem follows, WE WILL HOLD THEM PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE?

    it’s the only way – however it needs enough ppl to agree to not be counter productive – if we ever get to that point it’ll start happening

  151. Chicago’s Negro/Chicano Problem.

    Sterilize all welfare recipients.
    Liquidate all gang members serving violent felonies.

    You have a population that cannot live in civilization. Reduce their numbers by sterilization and remove the most violent through summary execution.

    Or not, and Chicago will be the next Sao Paolo.

  152. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Chicago PD is understaffed, riddled with affirmative corruption, infiltrated by criminal gangs, and, subject to the Ferguson Effect, prone to “de-policing”.
    There are some great guys on the job. But unfortunately, that is not enough.
     
    Yes, this is also why hiring more cops, which is what many are calling for, will do little or nothing. New hires are top-heavy with affirmative types; homosexuals, useless women, low-competency blacks and so on. Cops are expensive public employees yet nowadays many just aren't cost-effective.

    Yes, having lived in NYC I can say that many of the cops there are from multigenerational families in law enforcement. The quality of police officer is fairly high in comparison to other cities where affirmative action has beeen systematic in the selection and hiring.

    That being said, I think a lot of the violence can be attributed to Obama and his lackluster stance on negro crime. If Trump does win I think we can expect a harsher environment on inner city blacks.

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