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iSteve commenter t writes:

OT COVID-19 rate by ZIP Code from the city of Chicago

https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/sites/covid/reports/2020-04-05/COVID-19_Confirmed%20case%20rate%20by%20zipcode%20April%205.pdf

The highest rate of any are West Ridge where there is a large Hasidic population. Otherwise the hardest hit areas are all black; on the south side the nicer areas in the far south are harder than the poor areas (60643 has a median income of $59,000 compared $20k in 60621) on the west the highest rates are in 60612 right next to many of the city’s large hospitals.

I’m guessing perhaps this is hitting blacks hardest (or at least earliest) who have pretty good jobs at airports, hospitals, driving buses and the like. (In general, this disease tends to have initially spread, to the surprise of just about everybody, from the more respectable to the less respectable.)

In suburbs wealthy areas on the North Shore have been hit hard, in the city lakefront and Milwaukee corridor areas have fairly low rates.

Hispanic areas have the lowest rates.

City employee zips like 60655, 60638, 60634, 60630, and 60646 have rates that are fairly low but higher than white middle class suburbs.

https://www.chicago.gov/city/en/sites/covid-19/home/latest-data.html

Overall citywide rate per 100,000

Black 233
White 94.1
Asian 70.1
Hispanic 61.5

In other news the Mayor got a haircut today after weeks of scolding everyone on social distancing.

 
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  1. I’m not sure whether we can draw a meaningful pattern until cases peak here next week, as the p-values might not be very accurate yet. But thank you for this info

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bucktown

    Some of these are where hospitals are located

  2. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, a fashion maven*, has closed all bike paths, parks, waking trails and access to the waterfront and beaches. So, I would think that instead of getting outside and taking a walk in the fresh air, people are mingling indoors. My wife and I took a ride in the country on Sunday, passing two golf courses, the parking lots were full. You can’t share a cart but I know all those duffers didn’t ride alone to the course. Come on guys. * Some one can find a photo of Mayor Lightfoot online in the worse tailored pantsuit I have ever seen.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Buffalo Joe

    Maybe Mayor Lightfoot should follow the example of the Florida Keys and let its youts/gangbangers shoot it out until the murder rate is comparable to civilized cities.


    THE KEYS ARE CLOSED TO VISITORS

    ALL THOSE ENTERING THE KEYS SHOULD CARRY BACKUP IDENTIFICATION OR DOCUMENTS PROVING HOMEOWNERSHIP OR RESIDENCY.
     
    https://www.monroecounty-fl.gov/1169/COVID-19-Coronavirus

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @AnotherDad
    @Buffalo Joe

    America will not be a real nation until the likes of Lori Lightfoot are in a closet somewhere and the AWFLs are home baking cookies for their kids--and ergo a lot less awful.

    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.

    Nations that survive will be those with norms that actually reproduce their people with those norms. Math.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Redneck farmer, @Corvinus

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Buffalo Joe

    Mayor Lightfoot is sufficiently appearance-conscious to go through with a forbidden hair salon appointment:

    ‘I’m out in the public eye’: Mayor Lightfoot gets haircut amid social distancing orders

    I'm sure if she likes she can go the gym with the notorious RBG or JLo and Alex, too.

    Replies: @Charon, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @ken
    @Buffalo Joe

    There was decent volume of foot traffic once you get away from the parks and lakefront.

  3. Oh, the South Side, of Chicago, is the baddest part of town…

  4. I think Hispanics have the lowest rates because they are the youngest ethnic group.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  5. What else does this correlate with?

    Credit scores?

    School performance?

    Fast food and liquor stores?

    Free weeklies?

    https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/distribution-map/Content?oid=41073549

    This black map helps with neighborhood names. Mrs Sailer’s Austin sticks out.

  6. @Buffalo Joe
    Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, a fashion maven*, has closed all bike paths, parks, waking trails and access to the waterfront and beaches. So, I would think that instead of getting outside and taking a walk in the fresh air, people are mingling indoors. My wife and I took a ride in the country on Sunday, passing two golf courses, the parking lots were full. You can't share a cart but I know all those duffers didn't ride alone to the course. Come on guys. * Some one can find a photo of Mayor Lightfoot online in the worse tailored pantsuit I have ever seen.

    Replies: @Bubba, @AnotherDad, @The Last Real Calvinist, @ken

    Maybe Mayor Lightfoot should follow the example of the Florida Keys and let its youts/gangbangers shoot it out until the murder rate is comparable to civilized cities.

    THE KEYS ARE CLOSED TO VISITORS

    ALL THOSE ENTERING THE KEYS SHOULD CARRY BACKUP IDENTIFICATION OR DOCUMENTS PROVING HOMEOWNERSHIP OR RESIDENCY.

    https://www.monroecounty-fl.gov/1169/COVID-19-Coronavirus

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Bubba

    A loud and clear message to FL's youths:

    No more tinkling on the Keys!

    Replies: @Bubba

  7. Lot says:

    Non CV Good News!

    The awful miscarriage of justice against Cardinal Pell has been ended by the Australian High (Supreme) Court, who ordered him freed immediately and his conviction changed to a judgment of acquittal.

    Background:

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/06/reasonable-doubts-about-pells-conviction

    Full decision:

    http://eresources.hcourt.gov.au/downloadPdf/2020/HCA/12

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Lot

    Thanx! I hope this unanimous and unequivocal judicial ruling will get the publicity it rightly deserves. It would be a shame if the CV uproar provides a convenient pretext for the MSM to conveniently overlook it.

  8. I’ll post again the efforts of http://heyjackass.com/ – the website that has faithfully tracked the murder rate of Chicago for at least the last decade. The have recently added some data on how covid-19 is affecting Cook County, and it is fairly supportive of the idea that this virus targets mostly the old and or infirm.

    The below is taken from the website:

    CFR = 2.32%

    Currently, 94.8% of all COVID-19 related deaths in Cook County have at least one (1) underlying condition. 65.2% have at least two (2) or more.

    59% of the deaths are black, and most of the deaths are of people between the ages of 60 and 90, with the highest rate among 70 year olds.

    BTW* – I too got my haircut today by a friend of the family who has a salon in her basement. She is scared to death of being found out and of losing her license to cut hair. She’s on unemplyment for the first time in her life. But if it saves just one geezer’s life…

    *Not from the HJ website.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Some friend. Way to go. Now the Feds are going to track you down and waterboard you until you give up your pal. And you will.

    Smarten up, fella!

    , @Henry's Cat
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Too early to tell from the figures but one might assume that any decrease in the number of gang-related deaths would be partly or wholly compensated by an increase in domestic deaths.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

  9. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bucktown
    I’m not sure whether we can draw a meaningful pattern until cases peak here next week, as the p-values might not be very accurate yet. But thank you for this info

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Some of these are where hospitals are located

  10. @Bubba
    @Buffalo Joe

    Maybe Mayor Lightfoot should follow the example of the Florida Keys and let its youts/gangbangers shoot it out until the murder rate is comparable to civilized cities.


    THE KEYS ARE CLOSED TO VISITORS

    ALL THOSE ENTERING THE KEYS SHOULD CARRY BACKUP IDENTIFICATION OR DOCUMENTS PROVING HOMEOWNERSHIP OR RESIDENCY.
     
    https://www.monroecounty-fl.gov/1169/COVID-19-Coronavirus

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    A loud and clear message to FL’s youths:

    No more tinkling on the Keys!

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    LOL! Definitely no more tinkling on the Keys! But I find it amazing that the road (US-1) into the Florida Keys has literally hundreds, if not thousands of high-definition cameras, yet the youts/gangbangers/thugs from Miami (and other places) still try to sell their drugs, rob the locals/vacationers and ransack homes down in the Keys. Monroe County Police and Florida Highway Patrol (FHP) usually catch them. Anyone entering the Keys is totally monitored on the beautiful drive on US-1 all the way to Key West.

  11. Anon[351] • Disclaimer says:

    This is problematic. Hispanics also work jobs at airports, hospitals, and drive buses and the like. They should be getting as much exposure to ritzy sick travelers as blacks in service jobs do. Hispanics also have godawful BMIs and the same tendency towards type 2 diabetes in the US as blacks do. Hispanics also booze it up and have an even higher drinking rate than blacks do. Yes, there are plenty of young Hispanics, but there are also plenty of young blacks. Hispanics also live as clannishly as blacks do, and are always holding parties.

    They do not, however, have the same disease rate. There are only about half as many Hispanics with HIV as blacks. In fact, there are fewer Hispanics in terms of sheer numbers with HIV than there are whites. Native-born blacks also have a higher tuberculosis rate than native-born Hispanics. As for other STDs, blacks have gonorrhea at 5 times the rate Hispanics do, and double the syphilis rate. Hispanics also smoke less than either blacks or whites. Their rate in the US is around 10%. Blacks and whites have around a 16% smoking rate each.

    I’m inclined to point the finger at other health problems as the reason why one ethnicity is more vulnerable to Covid than another.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    My impression is that blacks have more "public-facing" jobs than Hispanics, typically. For example, at O'Hare airport in the 1990s, all the skycaps who checked in luggage out on the curb were black. They made about $100k and the jobs were hard to get, so they typically came from families with pull: e.g., dad was a cop or an uncle was an alderman.

    But, yeah, mestizos tend to live forever relative to their other traits.

    Replies: @Anon, @gman

    , @Triumph104
    @Anon


    Meanwhile, African Americans are more likely to suffer from underlying health conditions — high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, asthma and other respiratory problems — that can make COVID-19 more deadly.

    Consider Illinois’ first victim of COVID-19, 61-year-old Patricia Frieson.

    A retired African American nurse from Auburn Gresham, Frieson suffered from asthma and developed breathing problems that led to her death. Her sister, 63-year-old Wanda Bailey, also died of COVID-19; she had hypertension, heart disease and chronic lung problems.

    Among all Chicagoans who have died from the virus, 97% suffered from underlying health problems, city data show.
     
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/4/6/21209919/coronavirus-deaths-chicago-racial-gap-editorial-covid-19-african-american
    , @Henry's Cat
    @Anon

    Are you Fred Reed in disguise?

  12. Out of curiosity, what is that blank island in the northwest corner of the map that is outside of Chicago’s jurisdiction? I figured out that the nearby “blob” sticking out from the rest of the city is O’Hare.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    O'Hare is northwest of the rest of the city.

    , @Lot
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Norwood Park Township, which consists of Norridge and Harwood Heights.

  13. @Buffalo Joe
    Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, a fashion maven*, has closed all bike paths, parks, waking trails and access to the waterfront and beaches. So, I would think that instead of getting outside and taking a walk in the fresh air, people are mingling indoors. My wife and I took a ride in the country on Sunday, passing two golf courses, the parking lots were full. You can't share a cart but I know all those duffers didn't ride alone to the course. Come on guys. * Some one can find a photo of Mayor Lightfoot online in the worse tailored pantsuit I have ever seen.

    Replies: @Bubba, @AnotherDad, @The Last Real Calvinist, @ken

    America will not be a real nation until the likes of Lori Lightfoot are in a closet somewhere and the AWFLs are home baking cookies for their kids–and ergo a lot less awful.

    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.

    Nations that survive will be those with norms that actually reproduce their people with those norms. Math.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Rosie
    @AnotherDad


    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.
     
    Because women with families don't have a stake in the future.

    I have no doubt that of it could be shown that women were less likely to shut it down over coronavirus, that would be chalked up to our inability to be decisive in a crisis.

    In any event, I appreciate having a news source that I trust to be objective and tell the truth, despite the constant insults I have to put up with.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @botazefa, @William Badwhite

    , @Redneck farmer
    @AnotherDad

    Gonna take more than Coronavirus to do that. A lot more and worse, unfortunately.

    , @Corvinus
    @AnotherDad

    "America will not be a real nation until the likes of Lori Lightfoot are in a closet somewhere and the AWFLs are home baking cookies for their kids–and ergo a lot less awful."

    America is a real nation. It's on a map. It's (generally) embraced by the citizens of our great land.

    "And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions."

    But we have these men. They are found throughout America.

    "Nations that survive will be those with norms that actually reproduce their people with those norms."

    We do have these norms. Strange you think otherwise.

  14. @Anon
    This is problematic. Hispanics also work jobs at airports, hospitals, and drive buses and the like. They should be getting as much exposure to ritzy sick travelers as blacks in service jobs do. Hispanics also have godawful BMIs and the same tendency towards type 2 diabetes in the US as blacks do. Hispanics also booze it up and have an even higher drinking rate than blacks do. Yes, there are plenty of young Hispanics, but there are also plenty of young blacks. Hispanics also live as clannishly as blacks do, and are always holding parties.

    They do not, however, have the same disease rate. There are only about half as many Hispanics with HIV as blacks. In fact, there are fewer Hispanics in terms of sheer numbers with HIV than there are whites. Native-born blacks also have a higher tuberculosis rate than native-born Hispanics. As for other STDs, blacks have gonorrhea at 5 times the rate Hispanics do, and double the syphilis rate. Hispanics also smoke less than either blacks or whites. Their rate in the US is around 10%. Blacks and whites have around a 16% smoking rate each.

    I'm inclined to point the finger at other health problems as the reason why one ethnicity is more vulnerable to Covid than another.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Triumph104, @Henry's Cat

    My impression is that blacks have more “public-facing” jobs than Hispanics, typically. For example, at O’Hare airport in the 1990s, all the skycaps who checked in luggage out on the curb were black. They made about $100k and the jobs were hard to get, so they typically came from families with pull: e.g., dad was a cop or an uncle was an alderman.

    But, yeah, mestizos tend to live forever relative to their other traits.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Equally, I'd think every wealthy white family would tend to pass it onto their Hispanic maid or nanny.

    I suspect it's just that if your immune system is occupied with trying to control/eradicate one disease, a sucker punch from behind by Covid-19 takes it by surprise and knocks it out of commission. Immune systems have trouble switching tracks and tackling two different diseases at once. Their antibody factory is going full tilt making one kind of widget, and it's hard to switch to adding in another kind of widget and allocate production against both diseases adequately. It overstrains all the resources of the immune system.

    Replies: @AnonAnon

    , @gman
    @Steve Sailer

    It does seem like that blacks are more likely to be at the front door at condo buildings/corporate offices than hispanics in Chicago

  15. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Out of curiosity, what is that blank island in the northwest corner of the map that is outside of Chicago’s jurisdiction? I figured out that the nearby “blob” sticking out from the rest of the city is O’Hare.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lot

    O’Hare is northwest of the rest of the city.

  16. I bet the Hispanic v black rate will partially be explained by the church going difference.

    The Archdiocese shut down when everyone else shut down. The Chicago Hispanics are pretty Catholic.

    Black folks tend to rely on Protestant, independent churches where the reverend depends on weekly contribution. Plus lots of singing and dancing, which puts a lot of virus in the air. Older black ladies REALLY like going to church. And by and large churchgoing black folks are respectable and have jobs. And they are heavy. All this means bad news with this virus.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Hodag


    And they are heavy.
     
    I'm confused.
    https://youtu.be/Jl5vi9ir49g
    , @Triumph104
    @Hodag

    Agree. Illinois' first Covid-19 fatality. Her sister Wanda Bailey also died from the virus.


    Patricia Frieson loved to sing with her sisters at Progressive Beulah Pentecostal church not far from her home in the Auburn Gresham neighborhood on Chicago's South Side.
     
    https://www.npr.org/local/309/2020/03/19/818406940/family-members-mourn-the-first-to-die-from-c-o-v-i-d-19-in-illinois
  17. @Lot
    Non CV Good News!

    The awful miscarriage of justice against Cardinal Pell has been ended by the Australian High (Supreme) Court, who ordered him freed immediately and his conviction changed to a judgment of acquittal.

    Background:

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2019/06/reasonable-doubts-about-pells-conviction

    Full decision:

    http://eresources.hcourt.gov.au/downloadPdf/2020/HCA/12

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Thanx! I hope this unanimous and unequivocal judicial ruling will get the publicity it rightly deserves. It would be a shame if the CV uproar provides a convenient pretext for the MSM to conveniently overlook it.

    • Agree: Dissident
  18. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'll post again the efforts of http://heyjackass.com/ - the website that has faithfully tracked the murder rate of Chicago for at least the last decade. The have recently added some data on how covid-19 is affecting Cook County, and it is fairly supportive of the idea that this virus targets mostly the old and or infirm.

    The below is taken from the website:

    CFR = 2.32%

    Currently, 94.8% of all COVID-19 related deaths in Cook County have at least one (1) underlying condition. 65.2% have at least two (2) or more.

    59% of the deaths are black, and most of the deaths are of people between the ages of 60 and 90, with the highest rate among 70 year olds.


    BTW* - I too got my haircut today by a friend of the family who has a salon in her basement. She is scared to death of being found out and of losing her license to cut hair. She's on unemplyment for the first time in her life. But if it saves just one geezer's life...


    *Not from the HJ website.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Henry's Cat

    Some friend. Way to go. Now the Feds are going to track you down and waterboard you until you give up your pal. And you will.

    Smarten up, fella!

  19. Somewhat off-topic: Louisiana governor says over 70% of Covid19 deaths in Louisiana are blacks.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Federalist

    Well, New Orleans is over 60% black and that's where the highest concentrations are. Then we could talk about the preponderance of co-morbidities, since we're here at UNZ and not trying to post on an MSM site.

    Replies: @Federalist

  20. Anon[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    My impression is that blacks have more "public-facing" jobs than Hispanics, typically. For example, at O'Hare airport in the 1990s, all the skycaps who checked in luggage out on the curb were black. They made about $100k and the jobs were hard to get, so they typically came from families with pull: e.g., dad was a cop or an uncle was an alderman.

    But, yeah, mestizos tend to live forever relative to their other traits.

    Replies: @Anon, @gman

    Equally, I’d think every wealthy white family would tend to pass it onto their Hispanic maid or nanny.

    I suspect it’s just that if your immune system is occupied with trying to control/eradicate one disease, a sucker punch from behind by Covid-19 takes it by surprise and knocks it out of commission. Immune systems have trouble switching tracks and tackling two different diseases at once. Their antibody factory is going full tilt making one kind of widget, and it’s hard to switch to adding in another kind of widget and allocate production against both diseases adequately. It overstrains all the resources of the immune system.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
    @Anon


    Equally, I’d think every wealthy white family would tend to pass it onto their Hispanic maid or nanny.
     
    My sister stopped her maids as soon as she started working from home. She’s no longer traveling the globe for work and her college kids got sent home so there are people in the house who can help clean. The maids got a four-figure Xmas bonus so I doubt my sister feels any guilt with laying them off for awhile. If people are as paranoid about getting the virus as I see on my friends’ Facebook feeds I would think a lot of maids have been halted for the time being. Most people I know have the maids come every other week and with people being home more it’s probably not that big of a deal to cancel them for two or three visits. Gardeners are another case since they stay outside.

    I’d kill to have my hair done. I’m ready to pay cash for my hairdresser to take care of me in her garage. Or my garage, I don’t care. My gray situation is dire. If Newsom wants to keep California shut longer than the end of month I might suggest it to her.

  21. @Hodag
    I bet the Hispanic v black rate will partially be explained by the church going difference.

    The Archdiocese shut down when everyone else shut down. The Chicago Hispanics are pretty Catholic.

    Black folks tend to rely on Protestant, independent churches where the reverend depends on weekly contribution. Plus lots of singing and dancing, which puts a lot of virus in the air. Older black ladies REALLY like going to church. And by and large churchgoing black folks are respectable and have jobs. And they are heavy. All this means bad news with this virus.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Triumph104

    And they are heavy.

    I’m confused.

  22. Right before bars and restaurants were closed, Groot (as she’s called over at Second City Cop) urged Chicagoans to go out to restaurants if they weren’t sick. Then, when she told Chicagoans to stay inside, she used the honey approach, “You can still go out and exercise…” Then too many “youths” were congregating at Navy Pier, so she took it out on the yuppies, scolding that she meant they could go out for a “short walk” NOT a 5k! She shut down the lakefront and adjacent parks, and people got pissed. But then they remembered being pissed at a black lesbian is a hate crime, so now the anger has morphed into less-problematic, flattering jokes about what a strong black woman she is.

    Meanwhile, in the middle of all the global and local commotion, she quietly named Chicago’s New Top Cop: a proud black airhead who says Michael Brown was given the death penalty in Ferguson for jaywalking.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @JimDandy

    If it makes you feel any better, just remember that the rot extends all the way up to the top. Our well-meaning but slightly vacant Surgeon General, and the barely-coherent WHO chief, for examples.

    , @flyingtiger
    @JimDandy

    Groot does not want to see white people happy.

  23. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Out of curiosity, what is that blank island in the northwest corner of the map that is outside of Chicago’s jurisdiction? I figured out that the nearby “blob” sticking out from the rest of the city is O’Hare.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Lot

    Norwood Park Township, which consists of Norridge and Harwood Heights.

  24. res says:

    Here is an interactive map for much of Illinois (Chicago is well covered) with actual case counts which supports looking at counties or zip codes.
    http://dph.illinois.gov/COVID19/STATISTICS
    It is for the whole state, but does not display data for locations (only zip codes?) with fewer than 5 cases.

    That page also has tabular data for counties (but not zip codes, that I can see) and graphics showing age/race/sex demographics of confirmed cases and deaths.

    It looks like they just added (?) metro area aggregations as orange circles. Maps are offered back to 3/17, but the first map including Chicago data is 3/22.

    • Thanks: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @ic1000
    @res

    Off topic -- @res, remarks of your from yesterday got me thinking. My reply turned into a long free-standing comment. It's here.

    Thanks.

  25. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking in black folks’ defense, maybe their generally fatalist world view means death isn’t as big a deal to them, so what some might call a aimless nihilism, is actually strident efficiency, exclusive to their culture in these trying times.

    This new enterprise, for example, is gaining surprising popularity amongst black folks, and could be their way of saying, “we know what we doing, we know we gonna die more cuz that’s how we roll, and we gots this!” If so, maybe we should quit trying to tell them what to do.

  26. @Buffalo Joe
    Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, a fashion maven*, has closed all bike paths, parks, waking trails and access to the waterfront and beaches. So, I would think that instead of getting outside and taking a walk in the fresh air, people are mingling indoors. My wife and I took a ride in the country on Sunday, passing two golf courses, the parking lots were full. You can't share a cart but I know all those duffers didn't ride alone to the course. Come on guys. * Some one can find a photo of Mayor Lightfoot online in the worse tailored pantsuit I have ever seen.

    Replies: @Bubba, @AnotherDad, @The Last Real Calvinist, @ken

    Mayor Lightfoot is sufficiently appearance-conscious to go through with a forbidden hair salon appointment:

    ‘I’m out in the public eye’: Mayor Lightfoot gets haircut amid social distancing orders

    I’m sure if she likes she can go the gym with the notorious RBG or JLo and Alex, too.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @The Last Real Calvinist


    ‘I’m out in the public eye’
     
    ...therefore it's particularly important that I'm seen to be flouting the rules enforced upon everyone else.

    Is this some kind of Wakandan Logic that's just too hard for white people to figure out?

    Or is it just Black Privilege again.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    She could wave a loaded Ar-15 around at a press conference as well as park in a parking spot that was reserved with someone's spare kitchen table chair.

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    At the end of the day, she's a woman, and women do have their priorities. At least those who care about their appearance. Be surprised how many don't care how they look, even when times are normal.

  27. Maybe Hispanics have more cases than they report, because they fear deportation or other immigration consequences. Or, working outdoors as laborers, they are getting more humidity and more vitamin D. Or, they have strengthened their respiratory systems through leaf-blower use, i.e., the respiratory system is always clearing out all that aerosolized dirt. Or, it could be anatomical… the nasopharynx is the primary site for this virus to grab onto, and Hispanics might have a shorter, less-grabable nasopharynx.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @SafeNow

    I'd like to see a study of indoor jobs versus outdoor jobs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Bill Jones

    , @epebble
    @SafeNow

    How does that explain a ratio of more than 10 in U.S. + Canada deaths vs. Rest of Americas?

    Replies: @Muggles

  28. Hialeah, Florida, an incorporated city of almost 250,000, is over 90% Hispanic ( largely Cuban) but has one of the highest covid rates in Florida. Why, I do not know, but I think Time is the Hunter here.

    The earlier the virus appeared the more time it had to spread. Once testing is ramped up ( is there data for test numbers in Chicago?) the more cases are found.

    Fatalities do seem to depend on co-factors like age and overall health but infections do not.

  29. I’m getting the impression from these numbers that black people are refusing to social distance. Blacks always refuse to follow rules, so this is no surprise.

    I definitely don’t believe that blacks are more genetically prune to coronavirus than anybody else. Coronavirus is new, so nobody should have evolved to be immune from it.

    • Agree: Sebastian Hawks
    • Replies: @epebble
    @qqqq5q5


    I definitely don’t believe that blacks are more genetically prone to corona virus than anybody else.
     
    In fact, the ratio of number of dead whites to number of dead blacks is about 100:1 if you take Europe/Africa.

    Replies: @Smithsonian

  30. Seventy-two percent of those who have died of COVID-19 in Chicago as of Sunday were black, though the city’s African American population is only about 30 percent. More than half of those who had tested positive are black.

    In Cook County, 58% of COVID-19 deaths as of last Friday were of African Americans, who make up just 23% of the county’s population, an analysis by WBEZ found. And in the entire state of Illinois, African Americans now account for 38% of confirmed cases of coronavirus and 41% of deaths, but only 14% of the population.

    … In Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, African Americans make up almost 81% of COVID-19 deaths, ProPublica found. In Michigan, 40% of COVID-19 fatalities are African American, the Detroit News reported.

    And then there’s predominantly black Orleans Parish in Louisiana, where the COVID-19 infection rate is a shocking 892 per 100,000 people — higher than the rates of New York, Los Angeles, and Miami combined, The Atlantic points out.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/4/6/21209919/coronavirus-deaths-chicago-racial-gap-editorial-covid-19-african-american

  31. @SafeNow
    Maybe Hispanics have more cases than they report, because they fear deportation or other immigration consequences. Or, working outdoors as laborers, they are getting more humidity and more vitamin D. Or, they have strengthened their respiratory systems through leaf-blower use, i.e., the respiratory system is always clearing out all that aerosolized dirt. Or, it could be anatomical... the nasopharynx is the primary site for this virus to grab onto, and Hispanics might have a shorter, less-grabable nasopharynx.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @epebble

    I’d like to see a study of indoor jobs versus outdoor jobs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    I’d like to see a study of indoor jobs versus outdoor jobs.
     
    How do you explain blacks’ having relativity high incidences of disease, including infectious diseases, across a range of diseases?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Bill Jones
    @Steve Sailer

    I'd like to see a study of jobs v no-jobs
    The former split into both work at work and work at home.

  32. @Anon
    This is problematic. Hispanics also work jobs at airports, hospitals, and drive buses and the like. They should be getting as much exposure to ritzy sick travelers as blacks in service jobs do. Hispanics also have godawful BMIs and the same tendency towards type 2 diabetes in the US as blacks do. Hispanics also booze it up and have an even higher drinking rate than blacks do. Yes, there are plenty of young Hispanics, but there are also plenty of young blacks. Hispanics also live as clannishly as blacks do, and are always holding parties.

    They do not, however, have the same disease rate. There are only about half as many Hispanics with HIV as blacks. In fact, there are fewer Hispanics in terms of sheer numbers with HIV than there are whites. Native-born blacks also have a higher tuberculosis rate than native-born Hispanics. As for other STDs, blacks have gonorrhea at 5 times the rate Hispanics do, and double the syphilis rate. Hispanics also smoke less than either blacks or whites. Their rate in the US is around 10%. Blacks and whites have around a 16% smoking rate each.

    I'm inclined to point the finger at other health problems as the reason why one ethnicity is more vulnerable to Covid than another.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Triumph104, @Henry's Cat

    Meanwhile, African Americans are more likely to suffer from underlying health conditions — high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, asthma and other respiratory problems — that can make COVID-19 more deadly.

    Consider Illinois’ first victim of COVID-19, 61-year-old Patricia Frieson.

    A retired African American nurse from Auburn Gresham, Frieson suffered from asthma and developed breathing problems that led to her death. Her sister, 63-year-old Wanda Bailey, also died of COVID-19; she had hypertension, heart disease and chronic lung problems.

    Among all Chicagoans who have died from the virus, 97% suffered from underlying health problems, city data show.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/4/6/21209919/coronavirus-deaths-chicago-racial-gap-editorial-covid-19-african-american

  33. @qqqq5q5
    I'm getting the impression from these numbers that black people are refusing to social distance. Blacks always refuse to follow rules, so this is no surprise.

    I definitely don't believe that blacks are more genetically prune to coronavirus than anybody else. Coronavirus is new, so nobody should have evolved to be immune from it.

    Replies: @epebble

    I definitely don’t believe that blacks are more genetically prone to corona virus than anybody else.

    In fact, the ratio of number of dead whites to number of dead blacks is about 100:1 if you take Europe/Africa.

    • Replies: @Smithsonian
    @epebble

    Prediction: this won't age well....


    In fact, the ratio of number of dead whites to number of dead blacks is about 100:1 if you take Europe/Africa.
     

    Replies: @Yyyyrrre6

  34. @SafeNow
    Maybe Hispanics have more cases than they report, because they fear deportation or other immigration consequences. Or, working outdoors as laborers, they are getting more humidity and more vitamin D. Or, they have strengthened their respiratory systems through leaf-blower use, i.e., the respiratory system is always clearing out all that aerosolized dirt. Or, it could be anatomical... the nasopharynx is the primary site for this virus to grab onto, and Hispanics might have a shorter, less-grabable nasopharynx.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @epebble

    How does that explain a ratio of more than 10 in U.S. + Canada deaths vs. Rest of Americas?

    • Replies: @Muggles
    @epebble

    >>How does that explain a ratio of more than 10 in U.S. + Canada deaths vs. Rest of Americas?<<

    Not sure where or how you came up with that ratio.

    Answer is easy: reporting bias. Canada and now US reporting is getting up to speed due to much faster and more testing, results, treatments and results.

    Mexico and Latin America until about late March kept showing zero or few few COVID-19 cases. That was not credible and now more are being reported. Mexico is now "worried" since testing/reporting is being done in larger cities with expected bad results. Mexico's socialist president kept pooh-pooing this until elites started getting sick coming back from Colorado ski trips and the like. A bunch of U. of Texas students on Spring Break defied common sense and went to Cabo in early March. Now about half are sick with the virus. Got sick in tourist mecca in Baja.

    Like Africa (now panicking) which had practically zero reports, poor or mismanaged Third World countries are always going to under-count these things. In today's news, "golden children" from Venz Maduro's crony socialist elites, partying on some balmy island offshore with drugs, hookers, etc. have now nearly all been infected with the virus. Their social media posts of beach orgies now are attracting much hostility from the suffering masses. Do you think they report this disease accurately there? Very bad health infrastructure in these nations. If you get sick, those who can afford it go to hospitals in Europe or the US. Or did before the pandemic.

  35. @Hodag
    I bet the Hispanic v black rate will partially be explained by the church going difference.

    The Archdiocese shut down when everyone else shut down. The Chicago Hispanics are pretty Catholic.

    Black folks tend to rely on Protestant, independent churches where the reverend depends on weekly contribution. Plus lots of singing and dancing, which puts a lot of virus in the air. Older black ladies REALLY like going to church. And by and large churchgoing black folks are respectable and have jobs. And they are heavy. All this means bad news with this virus.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Triumph104

    Agree. Illinois’ first Covid-19 fatality. Her sister Wanda Bailey also died from the virus.

    Patricia Frieson loved to sing with her sisters at Progressive Beulah Pentecostal church not far from her home in the Auburn Gresham neighborhood on Chicago’s South Side.

    https://www.npr.org/local/309/2020/03/19/818406940/family-members-mourn-the-first-to-die-from-c-o-v-i-d-19-in-illinois

  36. Anonymous[674] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m guessing perhaps this is hitting blacks hardest (or at least earliest) who have pretty good jobs at airports, hospitals, driving buses and the like.

    How conscientious are blacks about social distancing and hygiene?

    Haven’t blacks in the United States typically suffered from higher rates of infectious and other diseases across a range of diseases?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I'd imagine African-Americans are kind of like Italian-Italians in tending to be up close and personal-type personalities.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Charon
    @Anonymous


    How conscientious are blacks about social distancing and hygiene?
     
    You can delete all after "blacks".
  37. @AnotherDad
    @Buffalo Joe

    America will not be a real nation until the likes of Lori Lightfoot are in a closet somewhere and the AWFLs are home baking cookies for their kids--and ergo a lot less awful.

    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.

    Nations that survive will be those with norms that actually reproduce their people with those norms. Math.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Redneck farmer, @Corvinus

    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.

    Because women with families don’t have a stake in the future.

    I have no doubt that of it could be shown that women were less likely to shut it down over coronavirus, that would be chalked up to our inability to be decisive in a crisis.

    In any event, I appreciate having a news source that I trust to be objective and tell the truth, despite the constant insults I have to put up with.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Rosie

    Your problem is you go around looking to get insulted.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @botazefa
    @Rosie


    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions
     
    .

    I did't read that as an attack on women.

    Replies: @anon, @Rosie

    , @William Badwhite
    @Rosie


    I appreciate having a news source that I trust to be objective and tell the truth, despite the constant insults I have to put up with.
     
    It wasn't directed at you. You chose to make it about yourself.

    Replies: @Rosie

  38. Anonymous[674] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @SafeNow

    I'd like to see a study of indoor jobs versus outdoor jobs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Bill Jones

    I’d like to see a study of indoor jobs versus outdoor jobs.

    How do you explain blacks’ having relativity high incidences of disease, including infectious diseases, across a range of diseases?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Sociable?

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

  39. There is a LOT we don’t know. There is a new theory (being floated by some actual experts) that malaria medicine helps because the corona virus actually starts by marginalizing the red blood cells and inhibits their ability to transport oxygen. When I heard that–shortly after I heard that blacks are getting hit way harder than other races in Chicago–I thought of Sickle Cell Anemia, which causes a situation where “the red blood cells are shaped like sickles or crescent moons. These rigid, sticky cells can get stuck in small blood vessels, which can slow or block blood flow and oxygen to parts of the body.” Some have already argued that certain blood type are tantamount to a co-morbidity. Genetics could play a big role.

    But what the hell do I know.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JimDandy

    Blacks generally have more genetic resistance to malaria (e.g., sickle cell anemia is caused by having too much of a good thing for fighting falciparum malaria, a major killer in Africa).

    But, yeah, there are a few things vaguely reminiscent of malaria about this new disease.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  40. The BBC: ‘Coronavirus wreaks havoc in African American neighbourhoods’

    Mmm. I suppose death rates could approach a tenth of one percent in some communities.

    One can imagine the chaos. It’d be a veritable Holocaust.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Colin Wright

    Not the BBC: ‘African Americans wreak havoc in African American neighbourhoods’

  41. @Federalist
    Somewhat off-topic: Louisiana governor says over 70% of Covid19 deaths in Louisiana are blacks.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Well, New Orleans is over 60% black and that’s where the highest concentrations are. Then we could talk about the preponderance of co-morbidities, since we’re here at UNZ and not trying to post on an MSM site.

    • Replies: @Federalist
    @Mr McKenna

    The Covid19 cases and deaths in Louisiana are heavily concentrated in New Orleans and adjacent Jefferson Parish. Jefferson Parish has a larger population than New Orleans and is much whiter but has fewer Covid19 cases and deaths. So, it looks like blacks really are being harder hit.

  42. @JimDandy
    There is a LOT we don't know. There is a new theory (being floated by some actual experts) that malaria medicine helps because the corona virus actually starts by marginalizing the red blood cells and inhibits their ability to transport oxygen. When I heard that--shortly after I heard that blacks are getting hit way harder than other races in Chicago--I thought of Sickle Cell Anemia, which causes a situation where "the red blood cells are shaped like sickles or crescent moons. These rigid, sticky cells can get stuck in small blood vessels, which can slow or block blood flow and oxygen to parts of the body." Some have already argued that certain blood type are tantamount to a co-morbidity. Genetics could play a big role.

    But what the hell do I know.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Blacks generally have more genetic resistance to malaria (e.g., sickle cell anemia is caused by having too much of a good thing for fighting falciparum malaria, a major killer in Africa).

    But, yeah, there are a few things vaguely reminiscent of malaria about this new disease.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Steve Sailer

    I wasn't being clear. I wasn't actually saying that corona virus was connected to the parasite that causes Malaria. I was referencing a novel theory that connects corona virus to the blood--promoting the idea that (as I understand it) the virus decreases the number hemoglobin cells that carry oxygen. Some have said that those with Blood Type A are at greater risk. It just makes me wonder if particular blood traits might make a person more susceptible.

    Starts at 21:10

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDE12HymYc

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @botazefa

  43. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    I’d like to see a study of indoor jobs versus outdoor jobs.
     
    How do you explain blacks’ having relativity high incidences of disease, including infectious diseases, across a range of diseases?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Sociable?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Steve Sailer

    Or just a range of bad habits which they refuse to break, as Anon says here
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/chicago-confirmed-case-rates-by-neighborhood/#comment-3821663

  44. @Anonymous

    I’m guessing perhaps this is hitting blacks hardest (or at least earliest) who have pretty good jobs at airports, hospitals, driving buses and the like.
     
    How conscientious are blacks about social distancing and hygiene?

    Haven’t blacks in the United States typically suffered from higher rates of infectious and other diseases across a range of diseases?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Charon

    I’d imagine African-Americans are kind of like Italian-Italians in tending to be up close and personal-type personalities.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer


    I’d imagine African-Americans are kind of like Italian-Italians in tending to be up close and personal-type personalities.
     
    Where do they fall on the range in terms of the traits of Conscientiousness and Extroversion?

    Both traits seem relevant to one’s adherence to the prophylactic measures being urged by health authorities.
  45. @JimDandy
    Right before bars and restaurants were closed, Groot (as she's called over at Second City Cop) urged Chicagoans to go out to restaurants if they weren't sick. Then, when she told Chicagoans to stay inside, she used the honey approach, "You can still go out and exercise..." Then too many "youths" were congregating at Navy Pier, so she took it out on the yuppies, scolding that she meant they could go out for a "short walk" NOT a 5k! She shut down the lakefront and adjacent parks, and people got pissed. But then they remembered being pissed at a black lesbian is a hate crime, so now the anger has morphed into less-problematic, flattering jokes about what a strong black woman she is.

    Meanwhile, in the middle of all the global and local commotion, she quietly named Chicago's New Top Cop: a proud black airhead who says Michael Brown was given the death penalty in Ferguson for jaywalking.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @flyingtiger

    If it makes you feel any better, just remember that the rot extends all the way up to the top. Our well-meaning but slightly vacant Surgeon General, and the barely-coherent WHO chief, for examples.

  46. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Obesity, asthma, diabetes, high blood pressure, junk food diets and sedentary lifestyles are the norm amongst blacks. Throw in smoking, alcohol and drug use and and you have a rather unhealthy population. It’s self inflicted for the most part. Much of it takes its toll after age forty or fifty so adding on something else can push them over the brink.

  47. @Steve Sailer
    @JimDandy

    Blacks generally have more genetic resistance to malaria (e.g., sickle cell anemia is caused by having too much of a good thing for fighting falciparum malaria, a major killer in Africa).

    But, yeah, there are a few things vaguely reminiscent of malaria about this new disease.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    I wasn’t being clear. I wasn’t actually saying that corona virus was connected to the parasite that causes Malaria. I was referencing a novel theory that connects corona virus to the blood–promoting the idea that (as I understand it) the virus decreases the number hemoglobin cells that carry oxygen. Some have said that those with Blood Type A are at greater risk. It just makes me wonder if particular blood traits might make a person more susceptible.

    Starts at 21:10

    • Thanks: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JimDandy

    Thanks. The idea that thinking about malaria might be useful in thinking about the new disease could be helpful.

    , @Anon
    @JimDandy

    According to a sickle cell website, "Some 2 million Americans—including about 10 percent of the African-American population—carry one gene for SCD, the "sickle cell trait."

    "While most people with the sickle cell trait are unaffected carriers who don't experience SCD symptoms or complications, a very small number can develop problems when they are exposed to factors such as:

    High altitude
    Increased atmospheric pressure
    Low oxygen
    Severe dehydration."

    Oh, boy. Some doctors have been treating Covid-19 patients by keeping them very water-restricted to prevent their lungs from filling up with fluid. But this may be killing people with the sickling gene by denying them the oxygen they need to breathe if they get dehydrated.

    I think you're right about sickle cell. If a carrier has one gene only, that alone may cause them plenty of problems if Covid-19 is cutting short their oxygen supply in one way or another.

    Another interesting point from a sickle cell website:

    "Sickle cell trait is more common in certain ethnic groups, including:

    African Americans (8 to 10 percent of African Americans have sickle cell trait)
    Hispanics
    South Asians
    Caucasians from southern Europe
    People from Middle Eastern countries"

    Has anyone checked people from Wuhan, Italy, Spain, or Iran for sickle-cell genes? They could fit these categories. It looks like the sickling gene is more pan-Mediterranean than many people realize. Malaria was likely a very pan-Mediterranean disease in its earlier history.

    Most ominously: "More than 100 million people worldwide have sickle cell trait."

    This is not going to be pretty if sickle cell is a factor in causing Covid-19 deaths.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @botazefa
    @JimDandy


    the virus decreases the number hemoglobin cells that carry oxygen.
     
    That doesn't make sense - nowhere is it being reported that hemoglobin levels are decreased in infected patients. The oxygenation problem with covid is caused by problems with O2 exchange at the alveolus, not the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  48. @JimDandy
    @Steve Sailer

    I wasn't being clear. I wasn't actually saying that corona virus was connected to the parasite that causes Malaria. I was referencing a novel theory that connects corona virus to the blood--promoting the idea that (as I understand it) the virus decreases the number hemoglobin cells that carry oxygen. Some have said that those with Blood Type A are at greater risk. It just makes me wonder if particular blood traits might make a person more susceptible.

    Starts at 21:10

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDE12HymYc

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @botazefa

    Thanks. The idea that thinking about malaria might be useful in thinking about the new disease could be helpful.

  49. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Sociable?

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    Or just a range of bad habits which they refuse to break, as Anon says here
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/chicago-confirmed-case-rates-by-neighborhood/#comment-3821663

  50. Anon[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @JimDandy
    @Steve Sailer

    I wasn't being clear. I wasn't actually saying that corona virus was connected to the parasite that causes Malaria. I was referencing a novel theory that connects corona virus to the blood--promoting the idea that (as I understand it) the virus decreases the number hemoglobin cells that carry oxygen. Some have said that those with Blood Type A are at greater risk. It just makes me wonder if particular blood traits might make a person more susceptible.

    Starts at 21:10

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDE12HymYc

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @botazefa

    According to a sickle cell website, “Some 2 million Americans—including about 10 percent of the African-American population—carry one gene for SCD, the “sickle cell trait.”

    “While most people with the sickle cell trait are unaffected carriers who don’t experience SCD symptoms or complications, a very small number can develop problems when they are exposed to factors such as:

    High altitude
    Increased atmospheric pressure
    Low oxygen
    Severe dehydration.”

    Oh, boy. Some doctors have been treating Covid-19 patients by keeping them very water-restricted to prevent their lungs from filling up with fluid. But this may be killing people with the sickling gene by denying them the oxygen they need to breathe if they get dehydrated.

    I think you’re right about sickle cell. If a carrier has one gene only, that alone may cause them plenty of problems if Covid-19 is cutting short their oxygen supply in one way or another.

    Another interesting point from a sickle cell website:

    “Sickle cell trait is more common in certain ethnic groups, including:

    African Americans (8 to 10 percent of African Americans have sickle cell trait)
    Hispanics
    South Asians
    Caucasians from southern Europe
    People from Middle Eastern countries”

    Has anyone checked people from Wuhan, Italy, Spain, or Iran for sickle-cell genes? They could fit these categories. It looks like the sickling gene is more pan-Mediterranean than many people realize. Malaria was likely a very pan-Mediterranean disease in its earlier history.

    Most ominously: “More than 100 million people worldwide have sickle cell trait.”

    This is not going to be pretty if sickle cell is a factor in causing Covid-19 deaths.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Anon

    " “Some 2 million Americans—including about 10 percent of the African-American population—carry one gene for SCD, the “sickle cell trait.”"

    Well there's the problem right there: Innumeracy

    US population c 330 million
    Black c 12 % = c 39 million people
    10 % of 39 million = c 3.9 million.

  51. I would have guessed Hyde Park (60637) would be at the high end of Covid rates since it has a university, a hospital, a big Chinese population, and a lot of world travelers. But, it’s just sort of in the middle.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @JimB

    Hyde Park is not as Asian as it used to be.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

  52. @Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    Equally, I'd think every wealthy white family would tend to pass it onto their Hispanic maid or nanny.

    I suspect it's just that if your immune system is occupied with trying to control/eradicate one disease, a sucker punch from behind by Covid-19 takes it by surprise and knocks it out of commission. Immune systems have trouble switching tracks and tackling two different diseases at once. Their antibody factory is going full tilt making one kind of widget, and it's hard to switch to adding in another kind of widget and allocate production against both diseases adequately. It overstrains all the resources of the immune system.

    Replies: @AnonAnon

    Equally, I’d think every wealthy white family would tend to pass it onto their Hispanic maid or nanny.

    My sister stopped her maids as soon as she started working from home. She’s no longer traveling the globe for work and her college kids got sent home so there are people in the house who can help clean. The maids got a four-figure Xmas bonus so I doubt my sister feels any guilt with laying them off for awhile. If people are as paranoid about getting the virus as I see on my friends’ Facebook feeds I would think a lot of maids have been halted for the time being. Most people I know have the maids come every other week and with people being home more it’s probably not that big of a deal to cancel them for two or three visits. Gardeners are another case since they stay outside.

    I’d kill to have my hair done. I’m ready to pay cash for my hairdresser to take care of me in her garage. Or my garage, I don’t care. My gray situation is dire. If Newsom wants to keep California shut longer than the end of month I might suggest it to her.

    • LOL: Kylie
  53. @epebble
    @qqqq5q5


    I definitely don’t believe that blacks are more genetically prone to corona virus than anybody else.
     
    In fact, the ratio of number of dead whites to number of dead blacks is about 100:1 if you take Europe/Africa.

    Replies: @Smithsonian

    Prediction: this won’t age well….

    In fact, the ratio of number of dead whites to number of dead blacks is about 100:1 if you take Europe/Africa.

    • Agree: Charon, guest007
    • Replies: @Yyyyrrre6
    @Smithsonian

    Sub-Saharan Africa’s median age is less than 20 years old.

    Black Africa probably will suffer less deaths per capita than the rest of the world. People dying of coronavirus are mostly old people.

  54. @Anon
    This is problematic. Hispanics also work jobs at airports, hospitals, and drive buses and the like. They should be getting as much exposure to ritzy sick travelers as blacks in service jobs do. Hispanics also have godawful BMIs and the same tendency towards type 2 diabetes in the US as blacks do. Hispanics also booze it up and have an even higher drinking rate than blacks do. Yes, there are plenty of young Hispanics, but there are also plenty of young blacks. Hispanics also live as clannishly as blacks do, and are always holding parties.

    They do not, however, have the same disease rate. There are only about half as many Hispanics with HIV as blacks. In fact, there are fewer Hispanics in terms of sheer numbers with HIV than there are whites. Native-born blacks also have a higher tuberculosis rate than native-born Hispanics. As for other STDs, blacks have gonorrhea at 5 times the rate Hispanics do, and double the syphilis rate. Hispanics also smoke less than either blacks or whites. Their rate in the US is around 10%. Blacks and whites have around a 16% smoking rate each.

    I'm inclined to point the finger at other health problems as the reason why one ethnicity is more vulnerable to Covid than another.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Triumph104, @Henry's Cat

    Are you Fred Reed in disguise?

  55. Hispanic neighborhoods in Chicago might have low infection rates, but the heavily Hispanic parts of central Queens are a completely different story.

    • Replies: @Triumph104
    @prosa123

    It is necessary to break down Hispanics by country of origin. For example, Mexicans and Cubans in the US usually have health-care outcomes on par or slightly better than whites. Puerto Ricans tend to have poor healthcare outcomes - midway between blacks and whites.

    Replies: @prosa123

  56. @Colin Wright
    The BBC: 'Coronavirus wreaks havoc in African American neighbourhoods'

    Mmm. I suppose death rates could approach a tenth of one percent in some communities.

    One can imagine the chaos. It'd be a veritable Holocaust.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    Not the BBC: ‘African Americans wreak havoc in African American neighbourhoods’

    • LOL: William Badwhite
  57. Anonymous[868] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I'd imagine African-Americans are kind of like Italian-Italians in tending to be up close and personal-type personalities.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I’d imagine African-Americans are kind of like Italian-Italians in tending to be up close and personal-type personalities.

    Where do they fall on the range in terms of the traits of Conscientiousness and Extroversion?

    Both traits seem relevant to one’s adherence to the prophylactic measures being urged by health authorities.

  58. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'll post again the efforts of http://heyjackass.com/ - the website that has faithfully tracked the murder rate of Chicago for at least the last decade. The have recently added some data on how covid-19 is affecting Cook County, and it is fairly supportive of the idea that this virus targets mostly the old and or infirm.

    The below is taken from the website:

    CFR = 2.32%

    Currently, 94.8% of all COVID-19 related deaths in Cook County have at least one (1) underlying condition. 65.2% have at least two (2) or more.

    59% of the deaths are black, and most of the deaths are of people between the ages of 60 and 90, with the highest rate among 70 year olds.


    BTW* - I too got my haircut today by a friend of the family who has a salon in her basement. She is scared to death of being found out and of losing her license to cut hair. She's on unemplyment for the first time in her life. But if it saves just one geezer's life...


    *Not from the HJ website.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Henry's Cat

    Too early to tell from the figures but one might assume that any decrease in the number of gang-related deaths would be partly or wholly compensated by an increase in domestic deaths.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Henry's Cat

    My plastic surgeon from Johns Hopkins tells me he expects the loss of business from the Mayors plea to the banger to take a break from shooting to be offset by increased head/facial trauma caused by forced domestic exposure to ones spouse.

  59. Nevertheless, try as they might, Chicago will always be the Second City.

  60. @AnotherDad
    @Buffalo Joe

    America will not be a real nation until the likes of Lori Lightfoot are in a closet somewhere and the AWFLs are home baking cookies for their kids--and ergo a lot less awful.

    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.

    Nations that survive will be those with norms that actually reproduce their people with those norms. Math.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Redneck farmer, @Corvinus

    Gonna take more than Coronavirus to do that. A lot more and worse, unfortunately.

    • Agree: Charon
  61. @prosa123
    Hispanic neighborhoods in Chicago might have low infection rates, but the heavily Hispanic parts of central Queens are a completely different story.

    Replies: @Triumph104

    It is necessary to break down Hispanics by country of origin. For example, Mexicans and Cubans in the US usually have health-care outcomes on par or slightly better than whites. Puerto Ricans tend to have poor healthcare outcomes – midway between blacks and whites.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Triumph104

    The hardest-hit Queens neighborhoods, mainly Jackson Heights, Elmhurst, and (ahem) Corona, are more Mexican/Central American/Latin American rather than Puerto Rican/Dominican.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

  62. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Buffalo Joe

    Mayor Lightfoot is sufficiently appearance-conscious to go through with a forbidden hair salon appointment:

    ‘I’m out in the public eye’: Mayor Lightfoot gets haircut amid social distancing orders

    I'm sure if she likes she can go the gym with the notorious RBG or JLo and Alex, too.

    Replies: @Charon, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    ‘I’m out in the public eye’

    …therefore it’s particularly important that I’m seen to be flouting the rules enforced upon everyone else.

    Is this some kind of Wakandan Logic that’s just too hard for white people to figure out?

    Or is it just Black Privilege again.

  63. @Anonymous

    I’m guessing perhaps this is hitting blacks hardest (or at least earliest) who have pretty good jobs at airports, hospitals, driving buses and the like.
     
    How conscientious are blacks about social distancing and hygiene?

    Haven’t blacks in the United States typically suffered from higher rates of infectious and other diseases across a range of diseases?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Charon

    How conscientious are blacks about social distancing and hygiene?

    You can delete all after “blacks”.

  64. @Mr McKenna
    @Federalist

    Well, New Orleans is over 60% black and that's where the highest concentrations are. Then we could talk about the preponderance of co-morbidities, since we're here at UNZ and not trying to post on an MSM site.

    Replies: @Federalist

    The Covid19 cases and deaths in Louisiana are heavily concentrated in New Orleans and adjacent Jefferson Parish. Jefferson Parish has a larger population than New Orleans and is much whiter but has fewer Covid19 cases and deaths. So, it looks like blacks really are being harder hit.

  65. @JimB
    I would have guessed Hyde Park (60637) would be at the high end of Covid rates since it has a university, a hospital, a big Chinese population, and a lot of world travelers. But, it’s just sort of in the middle.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Hyde Park is not as Asian as it used to be.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Hibernian

    Asians in Chicago have had the second lowest rate, after Hispanics. The white rate is a little higher than the Asian rate.

    Blacks are by far the most infected group.

  66. Speaking of blacks and hair,

    https://jezebel.com/how-salon-shutdowns-are-disrupting-black-womens-haircar-1842512745

    It seems that G/O Media cannot go a day without providing Steve with content.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @guest007


    Speaking of blacks and hair,

    https://jezebel.com/how-salon-shutdowns-are-disrupting-black-womens-haircar-1842512745

    It seems that G/O Media cannot go a day without providing Steve with content.

     

    The "black hair is political" and hair touching is both a felony and a hate crime stuff is obnoxious and i hope it stops some day.

    However, black women's hair does seem to be more difficult to manage, and it's not all self-inflicted (though some to much of it is). They have few "wash and go" or "run your hand through it and go" type options that look presentable or "professional" in the West. So it IS a harder problem to solve and an ongoing hassle and source of stress. Some level of compassion/understanding is warranted, imo.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D

  67. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Buffalo Joe

    Mayor Lightfoot is sufficiently appearance-conscious to go through with a forbidden hair salon appointment:

    ‘I’m out in the public eye’: Mayor Lightfoot gets haircut amid social distancing orders

    I'm sure if she likes she can go the gym with the notorious RBG or JLo and Alex, too.

    Replies: @Charon, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    She could wave a loaded Ar-15 around at a press conference as well as park in a parking spot that was reserved with someone’s spare kitchen table chair.

  68. @Rosie
    @AnotherDad


    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.
     
    Because women with families don't have a stake in the future.

    I have no doubt that of it could be shown that women were less likely to shut it down over coronavirus, that would be chalked up to our inability to be decisive in a crisis.

    In any event, I appreciate having a news source that I trust to be objective and tell the truth, despite the constant insults I have to put up with.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @botazefa, @William Badwhite

    Your problem is you go around looking to get insulted.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Kylie
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    "@ Rosie
    Your problem is you go around looking to get insulted."

    And our problem is she also goes around looking to insult.

  69. jb says:

    In other news the Mayor got a haircut today after weeks of scolding everyone on social distancing.

    I’m currently rocking an “off the grid” look. Once I get tired of having my head rolling around in a nest of hair at night (so that’s what it’s like for girls!) I’m going to try trimming it down to a half inch or so with the trimmer I normally use on my beard. I’ve always wanted to try that, and if it works out reasonably well I may stop going to barbers even after this is all over. Yet another long term economic consequence of the Coronavirus!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @jb

    I've taken the beard trimmer to my head a couple of times now. The sides look fine but the top is definitely lopsided.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @guest007
    @jb

    I suspect that Amazon has tremendous amounts of data of what the next issue will be. They sold out of toilet paper and hand hanitizer, then they sold out of masks, and now they are probably selling out of scissors and trimmers that can be used on hair. I also suspect that it is impossible to purchase a good UV light right now.

    What should be ask of the truthers and herders is how can we open up the economy while death rates are rising if no one other than hospitals and first responders can purchase cleaners, masks, and paper towels?

  70. @jb

    In other news the Mayor got a haircut today after weeks of scolding everyone on social distancing.
     
    I'm currently rocking an "off the grid" look. Once I get tired of having my head rolling around in a nest of hair at night (so that's what it's like for girls!) I'm going to try trimming it down to a half inch or so with the trimmer I normally use on my beard. I've always wanted to try that, and if it works out reasonably well I may stop going to barbers even after this is all over. Yet another long term economic consequence of the Coronavirus!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest007

    I’ve taken the beard trimmer to my head a couple of times now. The sides look fine but the top is definitely lopsided.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer

    Our four-year-old saw me clipping beard and anterior hair with scissors. (Our trimmers are shot and awaiting replacement.)

    The next day another pair of scissors went missing-- as did much of her anterior hair. To be honest, the resulting bangs fit her spitfire personality better than the angelic comb-back her mom preferred. She looks like Melanie, but acts more like Jane and Janis.

  71. @Buffalo Joe
    Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, a fashion maven*, has closed all bike paths, parks, waking trails and access to the waterfront and beaches. So, I would think that instead of getting outside and taking a walk in the fresh air, people are mingling indoors. My wife and I took a ride in the country on Sunday, passing two golf courses, the parking lots were full. You can't share a cart but I know all those duffers didn't ride alone to the course. Come on guys. * Some one can find a photo of Mayor Lightfoot online in the worse tailored pantsuit I have ever seen.

    Replies: @Bubba, @AnotherDad, @The Last Real Calvinist, @ken

    There was decent volume of foot traffic once you get away from the parks and lakefront.

  72. @jb

    In other news the Mayor got a haircut today after weeks of scolding everyone on social distancing.
     
    I'm currently rocking an "off the grid" look. Once I get tired of having my head rolling around in a nest of hair at night (so that's what it's like for girls!) I'm going to try trimming it down to a half inch or so with the trimmer I normally use on my beard. I've always wanted to try that, and if it works out reasonably well I may stop going to barbers even after this is all over. Yet another long term economic consequence of the Coronavirus!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @guest007

    I suspect that Amazon has tremendous amounts of data of what the next issue will be. They sold out of toilet paper and hand hanitizer, then they sold out of masks, and now they are probably selling out of scissors and trimmers that can be used on hair. I also suspect that it is impossible to purchase a good UV light right now.

    What should be ask of the truthers and herders is how can we open up the economy while death rates are rising if no one other than hospitals and first responders can purchase cleaners, masks, and paper towels?

  73. @Smithsonian
    @epebble

    Prediction: this won't age well....


    In fact, the ratio of number of dead whites to number of dead blacks is about 100:1 if you take Europe/Africa.
     

    Replies: @Yyyyrrre6

    Sub-Saharan Africa’s median age is less than 20 years old.

    Black Africa probably will suffer less deaths per capita than the rest of the world. People dying of coronavirus are mostly old people.

  74. @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Buffalo Joe

    Mayor Lightfoot is sufficiently appearance-conscious to go through with a forbidden hair salon appointment:

    ‘I’m out in the public eye’: Mayor Lightfoot gets haircut amid social distancing orders

    I'm sure if she likes she can go the gym with the notorious RBG or JLo and Alex, too.

    Replies: @Charon, @MikeatMikedotMike, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    At the end of the day, she’s a woman, and women do have their priorities. At least those who care about their appearance. Be surprised how many don’t care how they look, even when times are normal.

  75. @Rosie
    @AnotherDad


    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.
     
    Because women with families don't have a stake in the future.

    I have no doubt that of it could be shown that women were less likely to shut it down over coronavirus, that would be chalked up to our inability to be decisive in a crisis.

    In any event, I appreciate having a news source that I trust to be objective and tell the truth, despite the constant insults I have to put up with.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @botazefa, @William Badwhite

    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions

    .

    I did’t read that as an attack on women.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @anon
    @botazefa

    I did’t read that as an attack on women.

    You're not a Hillary Clinton pantsuited feminist with a huge chip on your shoulder.

    , @Rosie
    @botazefa


    I did’t read that as an attack on women.
     
    I did, and here's why (though it should be obvious):

    First, some context:


    America will not be a real nation until the likes of Lori Lightfoot are in a closet somewhere and the AWFLs are home baking cookies for their kids–and ergo a lot less awful.

    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.
     

    Not stated, but implied here is that America is going down the tubes because of the presence of women in positions of power and authority in society. The solution, of course, would be to remove women from such positions of power and authority.

    Now, you may think that is the right thing to do, and you are entitled to your opinion, but to deny that it is an attack on women is absurd. If you don't like the word "attack," what word do you think would be more suitable?

    Replies: @Cybele

  76. @JimDandy
    @Steve Sailer

    I wasn't being clear. I wasn't actually saying that corona virus was connected to the parasite that causes Malaria. I was referencing a novel theory that connects corona virus to the blood--promoting the idea that (as I understand it) the virus decreases the number hemoglobin cells that carry oxygen. Some have said that those with Blood Type A are at greater risk. It just makes me wonder if particular blood traits might make a person more susceptible.

    Starts at 21:10

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDE12HymYc

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anon, @botazefa

    the virus decreases the number hemoglobin cells that carry oxygen.

    That doesn’t make sense – nowhere is it being reported that hemoglobin levels are decreased in infected patients. The oxygenation problem with covid is caused by problems with O2 exchange at the alveolus, not the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @botazefa

    "nowhere is it being reported"

    And masks don't help because the virus doesn't survive in the air and can't be transmitted from human to human?

    I'm not promoting this theory, mind you, just pointing out how worthless so much of the information out there has been.

  77. @res
    Here is an interactive map for much of Illinois (Chicago is well covered) with actual case counts which supports looking at counties or zip codes.
    http://dph.illinois.gov/COVID19/STATISTICS
    It is for the whole state, but does not display data for locations (only zip codes?) with fewer than 5 cases.

    That page also has tabular data for counties (but not zip codes, that I can see) and graphics showing age/race/sex demographics of confirmed cases and deaths.

    It looks like they just added (?) metro area aggregations as orange circles. Maps are offered back to 3/17, but the first map including Chicago data is 3/22.

    Replies: @ic1000

    Off topic — , remarks of your from yesterday got me thinking. My reply turned into a long free-standing comment. It’s here.

    Thanks.

  78. The Army built a giant hospital inside McCormack Place. Prediction: It will never be used. No need.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  79. @Triumph104
    @prosa123

    It is necessary to break down Hispanics by country of origin. For example, Mexicans and Cubans in the US usually have health-care outcomes on par or slightly better than whites. Puerto Ricans tend to have poor healthcare outcomes - midway between blacks and whites.

    Replies: @prosa123

    The hardest-hit Queens neighborhoods, mainly Jackson Heights, Elmhurst, and (ahem) Corona, are more Mexican/Central American/Latin American rather than Puerto Rican/Dominican.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @prosa123

    Thanks.

    In LA, the Mexican neighborhoods haven't been hit hard (yet).

    It's all very curious.

    , @Anonymous
    @prosa123


    The hardest-hit Queens neighborhoods, mainly Jackson Heights, Elmhurst, and (ahem) Corona, are more Mexican/Central American/Latin American rather than Puerto Rican/Dominican.
     
    Was the Corona neighborhood renamed “Corona” after Mexicans and Central Americans arrived and displaced the natives?
  80. @Hibernian
    @JimB

    Hyde Park is not as Asian as it used to be.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    Asians in Chicago have had the second lowest rate, after Hispanics. The white rate is a little higher than the Asian rate.

    Blacks are by far the most infected group.

  81. Blackademia is already on message, although some of them haven’t gotten the memo that food deserts is passé and the most foremost Melanated Doctors have switched to redlining.

    I think it’s going to be a hard sell. When everyone is under stay-at-home and your only outings are occasional trips to Jewel or to pick up takeout, it’s easier to trust your lying eyes when you see conspicuous non-compliance from the usual suspects. The Trib can run as many articles as it wants featuring sweet septuagenarian grandmothers, everyone knows that gaggles of black teenagers are still meeting up, and they’re bringing corona home alongside the lean and the Flamin’ Hots. The notion that all urban-dwelling blacks will receive poorer treatment once they fall ill is farcical, to boot- how many rural Illinoisans are ten minutes from a hospital with nice Jewish doctors and a bevy of ICU beds?

    Still, I may be able to meet Ibram X. Kendi halfway on something: this plague was visited upon Chicago’s black community by wealthy wypipo and dey travel and consumption habits. It’s more than a little obnoxious to see woke whites who enjoyed multiple trips abroad, all before March, taking to social media to hector the rest of us on social distancing and hygiene. Dr. Professor X. Kendi Ph.D., you are right. Mayo ass motherfuckers.

  82. @epebble
    @SafeNow

    How does that explain a ratio of more than 10 in U.S. + Canada deaths vs. Rest of Americas?

    Replies: @Muggles

    >>How does that explain a ratio of more than 10 in U.S. + Canada deaths vs. Rest of Americas?<<

    Not sure where or how you came up with that ratio.

    Answer is easy: reporting bias. Canada and now US reporting is getting up to speed due to much faster and more testing, results, treatments and results.

    Mexico and Latin America until about late March kept showing zero or few few COVID-19 cases. That was not credible and now more are being reported. Mexico is now "worried" since testing/reporting is being done in larger cities with expected bad results. Mexico's socialist president kept pooh-pooing this until elites started getting sick coming back from Colorado ski trips and the like. A bunch of U. of Texas students on Spring Break defied common sense and went to Cabo in early March. Now about half are sick with the virus. Got sick in tourist mecca in Baja.

    Like Africa (now panicking) which had practically zero reports, poor or mismanaged Third World countries are always going to under-count these things. In today's news, "golden children" from Venz Maduro's crony socialist elites, partying on some balmy island offshore with drugs, hookers, etc. have now nearly all been infected with the virus. Their social media posts of beach orgies now are attracting much hostility from the suffering masses. Do you think they report this disease accurately there? Very bad health infrastructure in these nations. If you get sick, those who can afford it go to hospitals in Europe or the US. Or did before the pandemic.

  83. re: high black infection rates.

    This link https://www.newser.com/story/289149/cops-man-defied-stay-at-home-order-then-recorded-it.html shows “black youths” partying in Cincinnati streets, drinking, dancing on car roofs and then defiantly posting their videos on social media.

    “F-You” we ain’t stopping!” etc.

    I guess showing whitey that this Chinese disease Don’t Stop Da Party might reflect attitudes at odds with stay-at-home and social distancing. Stupidity can be contagious.

    Still no news on Southside Chicago gang murders over the weekend? Up or down? Crips and Bloods now on “pause”? I guess we will eventually find out.

  84. @botazefa
    @JimDandy


    the virus decreases the number hemoglobin cells that carry oxygen.
     
    That doesn't make sense - nowhere is it being reported that hemoglobin levels are decreased in infected patients. The oxygenation problem with covid is caused by problems with O2 exchange at the alveolus, not the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    “nowhere is it being reported”

    And masks don’t help because the virus doesn’t survive in the air and can’t be transmitted from human to human?

    I’m not promoting this theory, mind you, just pointing out how worthless so much of the information out there has been.

  85. @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Rosie

    Your problem is you go around looking to get insulted.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “@ Rosie
    Your problem is you go around looking to get insulted.”

    And our problem is she also goes around looking to insult.

  86. @botazefa
    @Rosie


    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions
     
    .

    I did't read that as an attack on women.

    Replies: @anon, @Rosie

    I did’t read that as an attack on women.

    You’re not a Hillary Clinton pantsuited feminist with a huge chip on your shoulder.

  87. Thanks steve for this post. I’m in 60661 (west loop)

    Two Evergreen Park, IL Walmart works died due to corona (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/05/827816771/2-workers-from-same-walmart-store-die-after-contracting-the-coronavirus)

    Two Target employees (near north side, south loop) have tested positive https://abc7chicago.com/health/2-chicago-target-employees-test-positive-for-covid-19-company-says/6079256/

  88. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    My impression is that blacks have more "public-facing" jobs than Hispanics, typically. For example, at O'Hare airport in the 1990s, all the skycaps who checked in luggage out on the curb were black. They made about $100k and the jobs were hard to get, so they typically came from families with pull: e.g., dad was a cop or an uncle was an alderman.

    But, yeah, mestizos tend to live forever relative to their other traits.

    Replies: @Anon, @gman

    It does seem like that blacks are more likely to be at the front door at condo buildings/corporate offices than hispanics in Chicago

  89. Steve,

    Please comment on this change in how black view themselves during a pandemic.

    https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status/1247551411241521157

    I have always dislike the use of the term people of color because it forced the listener/reader to know the underlying circumstances. A good example were discussions on maternal and infant mortality rates. They keep saying people of color when they meant blacks. Another example is when the lack of diversity in Silicon Valley when the statements really mean the lack of blacks in Silicon Valley.

  90. Racial angles are going mainstream now, as the 2:30 PM national news cut-in on Rush proclaimed “blacks are proving more susceptible” with no actual analysis of the numbers — and CNN is pushing some twaddle that if minorities wear homemade masks in public they’ll be treated like criminals.

  91. We thought that Bat Soup was the disease vector; but it turned out to be Matzo Ball Soup.

  92. I’ll bet there’s a strong positive correlation with the dog-shit index.

  93. @Steve Sailer
    @jb

    I've taken the beard trimmer to my head a couple of times now. The sides look fine but the top is definitely lopsided.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Our four-year-old saw me clipping beard and anterior hair with scissors. (Our trimmers are shot and awaiting replacement.)

    The next day another pair of scissors went missing– as did much of her anterior hair. To be honest, the resulting bangs fit her spitfire personality better than the angelic comb-back her mom preferred. She looks like Melanie, but acts more like Jane and Janis.

  94. @Steve Sailer
    @SafeNow

    I'd like to see a study of indoor jobs versus outdoor jobs.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Bill Jones

    I’d like to see a study of jobs v no-jobs
    The former split into both work at work and work at home.

  95. @Anon
    @JimDandy

    According to a sickle cell website, "Some 2 million Americans—including about 10 percent of the African-American population—carry one gene for SCD, the "sickle cell trait."

    "While most people with the sickle cell trait are unaffected carriers who don't experience SCD symptoms or complications, a very small number can develop problems when they are exposed to factors such as:

    High altitude
    Increased atmospheric pressure
    Low oxygen
    Severe dehydration."

    Oh, boy. Some doctors have been treating Covid-19 patients by keeping them very water-restricted to prevent their lungs from filling up with fluid. But this may be killing people with the sickling gene by denying them the oxygen they need to breathe if they get dehydrated.

    I think you're right about sickle cell. If a carrier has one gene only, that alone may cause them plenty of problems if Covid-19 is cutting short their oxygen supply in one way or another.

    Another interesting point from a sickle cell website:

    "Sickle cell trait is more common in certain ethnic groups, including:

    African Americans (8 to 10 percent of African Americans have sickle cell trait)
    Hispanics
    South Asians
    Caucasians from southern Europe
    People from Middle Eastern countries"

    Has anyone checked people from Wuhan, Italy, Spain, or Iran for sickle-cell genes? They could fit these categories. It looks like the sickling gene is more pan-Mediterranean than many people realize. Malaria was likely a very pan-Mediterranean disease in its earlier history.

    Most ominously: "More than 100 million people worldwide have sickle cell trait."

    This is not going to be pretty if sickle cell is a factor in causing Covid-19 deaths.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    ” “Some 2 million Americans—including about 10 percent of the African-American population—carry one gene for SCD, the “sickle cell trait.””

    Well there’s the problem right there: Innumeracy

    US population c 330 million
    Black c 12 % = c 39 million people
    10 % of 39 million = c 3.9 million.

  96. @guest007
    Speaking of blacks and hair,

    https://jezebel.com/how-salon-shutdowns-are-disrupting-black-womens-haircar-1842512745

    It seems that G/O Media cannot go a day without providing Steve with content.

    Replies: @vhrm

    Speaking of blacks and hair,

    https://jezebel.com/how-salon-shutdowns-are-disrupting-black-womens-haircar-1842512745

    It seems that G/O Media cannot go a day without providing Steve with content.

    The “black hair is political” and hair touching is both a felony and a hate crime stuff is obnoxious and i hope it stops some day.

    However, black women’s hair does seem to be more difficult to manage, and it’s not all self-inflicted (though some to much of it is). They have few “wash and go” or “run your hand through it and go” type options that look presentable or “professional” in the West. So it IS a harder problem to solve and an ongoing hassle and source of stress. Some level of compassion/understanding is warranted, imo.

    • Replies: @anon
    @vhrm

    Some level of compassion/understanding is warranted, imo.

    What form should this compassion take? Federally funded weaves for all? Mandatory struggle / re-education sessions?

    Or something else?

    Replies: @vhrm

    , @Jack D
    @vhrm

    You understand that people are dying from this, by the thousands? Mostly older people who don't even have a chance to say goodbye to their families and then afterward their families don't even get to mourn in a normal way. Doctors are collapsing from exhaustion, hospitals are in chaos. So you'll forgive me if I don't give a damn about black women's hair. Maybe if they had never spoken of it before, I'd have some shred of sympathy, but they've been blabbing about their hair even before this all started. Mostly it's all self-imposed (as is most of women's fashion). Most of these women are morbidly obese. Having their hair neatly styled is literally akin to lipstick on a pig. I really couldn't care less how they wear their hair. Lose 100 lbs. and then come talk to me about your hair.

  97. @Henry's Cat
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Too early to tell from the figures but one might assume that any decrease in the number of gang-related deaths would be partly or wholly compensated by an increase in domestic deaths.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    My plastic surgeon from Johns Hopkins tells me he expects the loss of business from the Mayors plea to the banger to take a break from shooting to be offset by increased head/facial trauma caused by forced domestic exposure to ones spouse.

  98. @vhrm
    @guest007


    Speaking of blacks and hair,

    https://jezebel.com/how-salon-shutdowns-are-disrupting-black-womens-haircar-1842512745

    It seems that G/O Media cannot go a day without providing Steve with content.

     

    The "black hair is political" and hair touching is both a felony and a hate crime stuff is obnoxious and i hope it stops some day.

    However, black women's hair does seem to be more difficult to manage, and it's not all self-inflicted (though some to much of it is). They have few "wash and go" or "run your hand through it and go" type options that look presentable or "professional" in the West. So it IS a harder problem to solve and an ongoing hassle and source of stress. Some level of compassion/understanding is warranted, imo.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D

    Some level of compassion/understanding is warranted, imo.

    What form should this compassion take? Federally funded weaves for all? Mandatory struggle / re-education sessions?

    Or something else?

    • Replies: @vhrm
    @anon

    Nothing like that... I'm just saying that , after looking into it a bit over the past few years, i have more respect for black women's hair trials and anxieties than i did before.

    And reading this particular article my reaction is "Yeah, that kinda sucks and I'm glad it's not something i have to worry about during this lockdown".

    (vs the more political and aggressive ones of their ilk)

  99. @Rosie
    @AnotherDad


    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.
     
    Because women with families don't have a stake in the future.

    I have no doubt that of it could be shown that women were less likely to shut it down over coronavirus, that would be chalked up to our inability to be decisive in a crisis.

    In any event, I appreciate having a news source that I trust to be objective and tell the truth, despite the constant insults I have to put up with.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @botazefa, @William Badwhite

    I appreciate having a news source that I trust to be objective and tell the truth, despite the constant insults I have to put up with.

    It wasn’t directed at you. You chose to make it about yourself.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Rosie
    @William Badwhite


    It wasn’t directed at you. You chose to make it about yourself.
     
    The post was about women.
    Rosie is a woman.
    Therefore, the post was about Rosie.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism#Terms_in_syllogism

    Replies: @anon, @William Badwhite

  100. @JimDandy
    Right before bars and restaurants were closed, Groot (as she's called over at Second City Cop) urged Chicagoans to go out to restaurants if they weren't sick. Then, when she told Chicagoans to stay inside, she used the honey approach, "You can still go out and exercise..." Then too many "youths" were congregating at Navy Pier, so she took it out on the yuppies, scolding that she meant they could go out for a "short walk" NOT a 5k! She shut down the lakefront and adjacent parks, and people got pissed. But then they remembered being pissed at a black lesbian is a hate crime, so now the anger has morphed into less-problematic, flattering jokes about what a strong black woman she is.

    Meanwhile, in the middle of all the global and local commotion, she quietly named Chicago's New Top Cop: a proud black airhead who says Michael Brown was given the death penalty in Ferguson for jaywalking.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna, @flyingtiger

    Groot does not want to see white people happy.

  101. @anon
    @vhrm

    Some level of compassion/understanding is warranted, imo.

    What form should this compassion take? Federally funded weaves for all? Mandatory struggle / re-education sessions?

    Or something else?

    Replies: @vhrm

    Nothing like that… I’m just saying that , after looking into it a bit over the past few years, i have more respect for black women’s hair trials and anxieties than i did before.

    And reading this particular article my reaction is “Yeah, that kinda sucks and I’m glad it’s not something i have to worry about during this lockdown”.

    (vs the more political and aggressive ones of their ilk)

  102. The outrageous stupidity of the Hasidic populations during this has received little play in the US press. The tabloid Daily Mail has covered a lot of messed up behavior. They actually rioted in Israel.

    This is an example of why it is funny when people complain about “the Jews”. Jewish people are not a monolith with the same views and behaviors.

  103. @AnotherDad
    @Buffalo Joe

    America will not be a real nation until the likes of Lori Lightfoot are in a closet somewhere and the AWFLs are home baking cookies for their kids--and ergo a lot less awful.

    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.

    Nations that survive will be those with norms that actually reproduce their people with those norms. Math.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Redneck farmer, @Corvinus

    “America will not be a real nation until the likes of Lori Lightfoot are in a closet somewhere and the AWFLs are home baking cookies for their kids–and ergo a lot less awful.”

    America is a real nation. It’s on a map. It’s (generally) embraced by the citizens of our great land.

    “And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.”

    But we have these men. They are found throughout America.

    “Nations that survive will be those with norms that actually reproduce their people with those norms.”

    We do have these norms. Strange you think otherwise.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  104. @botazefa
    @Rosie


    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions
     
    .

    I did't read that as an attack on women.

    Replies: @anon, @Rosie

    I did’t read that as an attack on women.

    I did, and here’s why (though it should be obvious):

    First, some context:

    America will not be a real nation until the likes of Lori Lightfoot are in a closet somewhere and the AWFLs are home baking cookies for their kids–and ergo a lot less awful.

    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.

    Not stated, but implied here is that America is going down the tubes because of the presence of women in positions of power and authority in society. The solution, of course, would be to remove women from such positions of power and authority.

    Now, you may think that is the right thing to do, and you are entitled to your opinion, but to deny that it is an attack on women is absurd. If you don’t like the word “attack,” what word do you think would be more suitable?

    • Replies: @Cybele
    @Rosie

    So true, Rosie.

    40 percent of families in this country are headed by women with little or no support from the "productive men" who helped to produce a human being but took no responsibility for its upbringing. Most of these women are working several jobs and don't have time to bake cookies. I would venture that they are the ones who have a stake in the future.

  105. @William Badwhite
    @Rosie


    I appreciate having a news source that I trust to be objective and tell the truth, despite the constant insults I have to put up with.
     
    It wasn't directed at you. You chose to make it about yourself.

    Replies: @Rosie

    It wasn’t directed at you. You chose to make it about yourself.

    The post was about women.
    Rosie is a woman.
    Therefore, the post was about Rosie.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism#Terms_in_syllogism

    • Replies: @anon
    @Rosie

    Therefore, the post was about Rosie.

    Because "some" and "all" are total synonyms plus "the personal is political" and vice versa.

    Therefore, everything is all about Rosie, every time. Any opinion Rosie doesn't like should be a criminal offense, punishable by execution or at least life in prison, I am so sure.

    I lol @ old lady "I Am Woman" feminists in their HIllary Clinton pantsuits.

    Flounce around all you like, Rosie, the world is not really all about you. Really, it isn't.

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @William Badwhite
    @Rosie


    The post was about women.
    Rosie is a woman.
    Therefore, the post was about Rosie.
     
    Rosie is a human. Any posts about humans are about Rosie. Rosie is extant. Any posts about any topic are about Rosie. The whole world revolves around Rosie.

    Replies: @Rosie

  106. @Rosie
    @William Badwhite


    It wasn’t directed at you. You chose to make it about yourself.
     
    The post was about women.
    Rosie is a woman.
    Therefore, the post was about Rosie.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism#Terms_in_syllogism

    Replies: @anon, @William Badwhite

    Therefore, the post was about Rosie.

    Because “some” and “all” are total synonyms plus “the personal is political” and vice versa.

    Therefore, everything is all about Rosie, every time. Any opinion Rosie doesn’t like should be a criminal offense, punishable by execution or at least life in prison, I am so sure.

    I lol @ old lady “I Am Woman” feminists in their HIllary Clinton pantsuits.

    Flounce around all you like, Rosie, the world is not really all about you. Really, it isn’t.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @anon


    Because “some” and “all” are total synonyms
     
    There was no NAWALT disclaimer in the OP, and to include one would have undermined OP's point.
  107. @anon
    @Rosie

    Therefore, the post was about Rosie.

    Because "some" and "all" are total synonyms plus "the personal is political" and vice versa.

    Therefore, everything is all about Rosie, every time. Any opinion Rosie doesn't like should be a criminal offense, punishable by execution or at least life in prison, I am so sure.

    I lol @ old lady "I Am Woman" feminists in their HIllary Clinton pantsuits.

    Flounce around all you like, Rosie, the world is not really all about you. Really, it isn't.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Because “some” and “all” are total synonyms

    There was no NAWALT disclaimer in the OP, and to include one would have undermined OP’s point.

  108. @prosa123
    @Triumph104

    The hardest-hit Queens neighborhoods, mainly Jackson Heights, Elmhurst, and (ahem) Corona, are more Mexican/Central American/Latin American rather than Puerto Rican/Dominican.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    Thanks.

    In LA, the Mexican neighborhoods haven’t been hit hard (yet).

    It’s all very curious.

  109. About a month ago I saw a study out of China that said those with type O blood are less likely to have COVID 19 complications. I have O+ blood and that study was comforting to me.

    I just checked the blood types by race in the U.S. Type O is by far the most popular blood type for blacks. Whites are more split between types A and O. All that comfort I felt the past month is gone….although Hispanics are even more likely than blacks to have type O blood so who knows. Interestingly a sizable minority of blacks have type B blood which is rare among both whites and Hispanics.

  110. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123
    @Triumph104

    The hardest-hit Queens neighborhoods, mainly Jackson Heights, Elmhurst, and (ahem) Corona, are more Mexican/Central American/Latin American rather than Puerto Rican/Dominican.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    The hardest-hit Queens neighborhoods, mainly Jackson Heights, Elmhurst, and (ahem) Corona, are more Mexican/Central American/Latin American rather than Puerto Rican/Dominican.

    Was the Corona neighborhood renamed “Corona” after Mexicans and Central Americans arrived and displaced the natives?

  111. @Rosie
    @William Badwhite


    It wasn’t directed at you. You chose to make it about yourself.
     
    The post was about women.
    Rosie is a woman.
    Therefore, the post was about Rosie.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syllogism#Terms_in_syllogism

    Replies: @anon, @William Badwhite

    The post was about women.
    Rosie is a woman.
    Therefore, the post was about Rosie.

    Rosie is a human. Any posts about humans are about Rosie. Rosie is extant. Any posts about any topic are about Rosie. The whole world revolves around Rosie.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @William Badwhite


    Rosie is a human. Any posts about humans are about Rosie.
     
    You don't understand. I don't really care if the post was specifically "about me" or not. My interests are implicated either way. Hence, the irrelevance of any NAWALT disclaimer.

    And yes, any statement about humans that implies that we have rights that we shouldn't have is on that account fair game, and any human has standing to object. This is blatantly obvious but then common sense can't be taken for granted, I suppose.

    More to the point, do you or do you not agree with AnotherDad that women being in positions of authority is a problem? That is the question we should be debating.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

  112. @William Badwhite
    @Rosie


    The post was about women.
    Rosie is a woman.
    Therefore, the post was about Rosie.
     
    Rosie is a human. Any posts about humans are about Rosie. Rosie is extant. Any posts about any topic are about Rosie. The whole world revolves around Rosie.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Rosie is a human. Any posts about humans are about Rosie.

    You don’t understand. I don’t really care if the post was specifically “about me” or not. My interests are implicated either way. Hence, the irrelevance of any NAWALT disclaimer.

    And yes, any statement about humans that implies that we have rights that we shouldn’t have is on that account fair game, and any human has standing to object. This is blatantly obvious but then common sense can’t be taken for granted, I suppose.

    More to the point, do you or do you not agree with AnotherDad that women being in positions of authority is a problem? That is the question we should be debating.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Rosie


    More to the point, do you or do you not agree with AnotherDad that women being in positions of authority is a problem?
     
    In general, yes I agree with him. Women (on average) have a great many strengths and unique abilities. The ability to remain calm, think logically, and not personalize everything tends to not be one of them. There are of course exceptions.

    Replies: @Rosie

  113. @Rosie
    @William Badwhite


    Rosie is a human. Any posts about humans are about Rosie.
     
    You don't understand. I don't really care if the post was specifically "about me" or not. My interests are implicated either way. Hence, the irrelevance of any NAWALT disclaimer.

    And yes, any statement about humans that implies that we have rights that we shouldn't have is on that account fair game, and any human has standing to object. This is blatantly obvious but then common sense can't be taken for granted, I suppose.

    More to the point, do you or do you not agree with AnotherDad that women being in positions of authority is a problem? That is the question we should be debating.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    More to the point, do you or do you not agree with AnotherDad that women being in positions of authority is a problem?

    In general, yes I agree with him. Women (on average) have a great many strengths and unique abilities. The ability to remain calm, think logically, and not personalize everything tends to not be one of them. There are of course exceptions.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @William Badwhite


    In general, yes I agree with him.
     
    You should have just said so from the start.

    The ability to remain calm, think logically, and not personalize everything tends to not be one of them. There are of course exceptions.
     

    Your general impressions of women's average strengths and weaknesses of are of no relevance whatsoever. The question is whether women in leadership positions, who by definition are not average, are more apt to overreact in some detrimental way, and if they are, do they have any strengths as leaders that balance out this weakness.

    Picking on women's weaknesses is easy to do, especially when you don't feel obligated to provide any actual proof of same. Proving overall inferiority is another matter altogether.

    Suppose I were to say something like this:

    We'll never have honest, responsive government until women are in charge. Men are sex-crazed lechers who are too liable to blackmail as a result of their sexual indiscretions.

    Now, is it in fact true that men are more likely to do stupid and immoral things that compromise their independence? Yes, does it follow that they are inferior leaders? You tell me.

    (BTW, this is nothing personal, you understand? I know NAMALT, so hopefully you won't get offended.)

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @anon

  114. @vhrm
    @guest007


    Speaking of blacks and hair,

    https://jezebel.com/how-salon-shutdowns-are-disrupting-black-womens-haircar-1842512745

    It seems that G/O Media cannot go a day without providing Steve with content.

     

    The "black hair is political" and hair touching is both a felony and a hate crime stuff is obnoxious and i hope it stops some day.

    However, black women's hair does seem to be more difficult to manage, and it's not all self-inflicted (though some to much of it is). They have few "wash and go" or "run your hand through it and go" type options that look presentable or "professional" in the West. So it IS a harder problem to solve and an ongoing hassle and source of stress. Some level of compassion/understanding is warranted, imo.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D

    You understand that people are dying from this, by the thousands? Mostly older people who don’t even have a chance to say goodbye to their families and then afterward their families don’t even get to mourn in a normal way. Doctors are collapsing from exhaustion, hospitals are in chaos. So you’ll forgive me if I don’t give a damn about black women’s hair. Maybe if they had never spoken of it before, I’d have some shred of sympathy, but they’ve been blabbing about their hair even before this all started. Mostly it’s all self-imposed (as is most of women’s fashion). Most of these women are morbidly obese. Having their hair neatly styled is literally akin to lipstick on a pig. I really couldn’t care less how they wear their hair. Lose 100 lbs. and then come talk to me about your hair.

  115. @William Badwhite
    @Rosie


    More to the point, do you or do you not agree with AnotherDad that women being in positions of authority is a problem?
     
    In general, yes I agree with him. Women (on average) have a great many strengths and unique abilities. The ability to remain calm, think logically, and not personalize everything tends to not be one of them. There are of course exceptions.

    Replies: @Rosie

    In general, yes I agree with him.

    You should have just said so from the start.

    The ability to remain calm, think logically, and not personalize everything tends to not be one of them. There are of course exceptions.

    Your general impressions of women’s average strengths and weaknesses of are of no relevance whatsoever. The question is whether women in leadership positions, who by definition are not average, are more apt to overreact in some detrimental way, and if they are, do they have any strengths as leaders that balance out this weakness.

    Picking on women’s weaknesses is easy to do, especially when you don’t feel obligated to provide any actual proof of same. Proving overall inferiority is another matter altogether.

    Suppose I were to say something like this:

    We’ll never have honest, responsive government until women are in charge. Men are sex-crazed lechers who are too liable to blackmail as a result of their sexual indiscretions.

    Now, is it in fact true that men are more likely to do stupid and immoral things that compromise their independence? Yes, does it follow that they are inferior leaders? You tell me.

    (BTW, this is nothing personal, you understand? I know NAMALT, so hopefully you won’t get offended.)

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Rosie


    You should have just said so from the start.
     
    I wasn't responding to him. I was responding to you making AD's comment about yourself.

    Your general impressions of women’s average strengths and weaknesses of are of no relevance whatsoever.
     
    You asked for my opinion. My "general impressions" are of great relevance to my opinion.


    We’ll never have honest, responsive government until women are in charge.
     
    Someone like Hillary Clinton or Angela Merkel for example. Rosie, there is a reason virtually all successful civilizations placed no weight on the opinions of women. For every one that is calm and rational, there are 5 that want to talk about their hair (full disclosure - that 1:5 ratio is not scientific, I pretty much made it up).

    Men are sex-crazed lechers who are too liable to blackmail as a result of their sexual indiscretions.

     

    Your honor, I would like to submit the above as Exhibit A supporting my assertion that women are irrational and overly emotional.

    (BTW, this is nothing personal, you understand? I know NAMALT, so hopefully you won’t get offended.)
     
    I don't get offended reading things written by random strangers on the internet. I suggest you do the same.

    This by the way is coming from someone that is glad you comment here and think you generally take more crap than you deserve. That said, you'd take a lot less crap if you didn't always need the last word and didn't take things personally when they're clearly not directed at you.

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @anon
    @Rosie

    We’ll never have honest, responsive government until women are in charge.

    In the US, extending the vote to women was supposed to clean up politics, because of women being "more moral" than men. That was one theory.

    100 years later we have some results.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/809399.The_Inevitability_of_Patriarchy

    lol.

    PS: This is not all about you. Just saying.

  116. @Rosie
    @William Badwhite


    In general, yes I agree with him.
     
    You should have just said so from the start.

    The ability to remain calm, think logically, and not personalize everything tends to not be one of them. There are of course exceptions.
     

    Your general impressions of women's average strengths and weaknesses of are of no relevance whatsoever. The question is whether women in leadership positions, who by definition are not average, are more apt to overreact in some detrimental way, and if they are, do they have any strengths as leaders that balance out this weakness.

    Picking on women's weaknesses is easy to do, especially when you don't feel obligated to provide any actual proof of same. Proving overall inferiority is another matter altogether.

    Suppose I were to say something like this:

    We'll never have honest, responsive government until women are in charge. Men are sex-crazed lechers who are too liable to blackmail as a result of their sexual indiscretions.

    Now, is it in fact true that men are more likely to do stupid and immoral things that compromise their independence? Yes, does it follow that they are inferior leaders? You tell me.

    (BTW, this is nothing personal, you understand? I know NAMALT, so hopefully you won't get offended.)

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @anon

    You should have just said so from the start.

    I wasn’t responding to him. I was responding to you making AD’s comment about yourself.

    Your general impressions of women’s average strengths and weaknesses of are of no relevance whatsoever.

    You asked for my opinion. My “general impressions” are of great relevance to my opinion.

    We’ll never have honest, responsive government until women are in charge.

    Someone like Hillary Clinton or Angela Merkel for example. Rosie, there is a reason virtually all successful civilizations placed no weight on the opinions of women. For every one that is calm and rational, there are 5 that want to talk about their hair (full disclosure – that 1:5 ratio is not scientific, I pretty much made it up).

    Men are sex-crazed lechers who are too liable to blackmail as a result of their sexual indiscretions.

    Your honor, I would like to submit the above as Exhibit A supporting my assertion that women are irrational and overly emotional.

    (BTW, this is nothing personal, you understand? I know NAMALT, so hopefully you won’t get offended.)

    I don’t get offended reading things written by random strangers on the internet. I suggest you do the same.

    This by the way is coming from someone that is glad you comment here and think you generally take more crap than you deserve. That said, you’d take a lot less crap if you didn’t always need the last word and didn’t take things personally when they’re clearly not directed at you.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @William Badwhite


    Rosie, there is a reason virtually all successful civilizations placed no weight on the opinions of women.
     
    Is that even true? I don't think you were privy to their pillow talk, were you?


    Your honor, I would like to submit the above as Exhibit A supporting my assertion that women are irrational and overly emotional.
     
    Your argument here is quite self-defeating, because I almost never say such things, whereas hysterical misogynists say such things about women all the time. You have spent more time criticizing me than you ever have any of them.


    didn’t take things personally when they’re clearly not directed at you.
     
    When someone implies that I (being a woman) have rights that I should not, I will almost always have something to say about that. If you call that "taking things personally," then so be it.

    Replies: @Rosie, @William Badwhite

  117. @William Badwhite
    @Rosie


    You should have just said so from the start.
     
    I wasn't responding to him. I was responding to you making AD's comment about yourself.

    Your general impressions of women’s average strengths and weaknesses of are of no relevance whatsoever.
     
    You asked for my opinion. My "general impressions" are of great relevance to my opinion.


    We’ll never have honest, responsive government until women are in charge.
     
    Someone like Hillary Clinton or Angela Merkel for example. Rosie, there is a reason virtually all successful civilizations placed no weight on the opinions of women. For every one that is calm and rational, there are 5 that want to talk about their hair (full disclosure - that 1:5 ratio is not scientific, I pretty much made it up).

    Men are sex-crazed lechers who are too liable to blackmail as a result of their sexual indiscretions.

     

    Your honor, I would like to submit the above as Exhibit A supporting my assertion that women are irrational and overly emotional.

    (BTW, this is nothing personal, you understand? I know NAMALT, so hopefully you won’t get offended.)
     
    I don't get offended reading things written by random strangers on the internet. I suggest you do the same.

    This by the way is coming from someone that is glad you comment here and think you generally take more crap than you deserve. That said, you'd take a lot less crap if you didn't always need the last word and didn't take things personally when they're clearly not directed at you.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Rosie, there is a reason virtually all successful civilizations placed no weight on the opinions of women.

    Is that even true? I don’t think you were privy to their pillow talk, were you?

    Your honor, I would like to submit the above as Exhibit A supporting my assertion that women are irrational and overly emotional.

    Your argument here is quite self-defeating, because I almost never say such things, whereas hysterical misogynists say such things about women all the time. You have spent more time criticizing me than you ever have any of them.

    didn’t take things personally when they’re clearly not directed at you.

    When someone implies that I (being a woman) have rights that I should not, I will almost always have something to say about that. If you call that “taking things personally,” then so be it.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Rosie

    The first three governors to declare a state of emergency were all men. Of the nine women governors in the country, only one (Oregon governor Kate Brown) was among the first eight governors to declare a state of emergency.

    There is no evidence of particularly hysterical women acting without rational deliberation here.

    https://www.newsweek.com/what-us-states-have-declared-state-emergency-amid-coronavirus-outbreak-1491299

    , @William Badwhite
    @Rosie

    Sorry to have to dox you Rosie

    https://onemindmanydetours.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/nagging-mom.jpg

    :)

  118. @Rosie
    @William Badwhite


    Rosie, there is a reason virtually all successful civilizations placed no weight on the opinions of women.
     
    Is that even true? I don't think you were privy to their pillow talk, were you?


    Your honor, I would like to submit the above as Exhibit A supporting my assertion that women are irrational and overly emotional.
     
    Your argument here is quite self-defeating, because I almost never say such things, whereas hysterical misogynists say such things about women all the time. You have spent more time criticizing me than you ever have any of them.


    didn’t take things personally when they’re clearly not directed at you.
     
    When someone implies that I (being a woman) have rights that I should not, I will almost always have something to say about that. If you call that "taking things personally," then so be it.

    Replies: @Rosie, @William Badwhite

    The first three governors to declare a state of emergency were all men. Of the nine women governors in the country, only one (Oregon governor Kate Brown) was among the first eight governors to declare a state of emergency.

    There is no evidence of particularly hysterical women acting without rational deliberation here.

    https://www.newsweek.com/what-us-states-have-declared-state-emergency-amid-coronavirus-outbreak-1491299

  119. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Bubba

    A loud and clear message to FL's youths:

    No more tinkling on the Keys!

    Replies: @Bubba

    LOL! Definitely no more tinkling on the Keys! But I find it amazing that the road (US-1) into the Florida Keys has literally hundreds, if not thousands of high-definition cameras, yet the youts/gangbangers/thugs from Miami (and other places) still try to sell their drugs, rob the locals/vacationers and ransack homes down in the Keys. Monroe County Police and Florida Highway Patrol (FHP) usually catch them. Anyone entering the Keys is totally monitored on the beautiful drive on US-1 all the way to Key West.

  120. anon[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    @William Badwhite


    In general, yes I agree with him.
     
    You should have just said so from the start.

    The ability to remain calm, think logically, and not personalize everything tends to not be one of them. There are of course exceptions.
     

    Your general impressions of women's average strengths and weaknesses of are of no relevance whatsoever. The question is whether women in leadership positions, who by definition are not average, are more apt to overreact in some detrimental way, and if they are, do they have any strengths as leaders that balance out this weakness.

    Picking on women's weaknesses is easy to do, especially when you don't feel obligated to provide any actual proof of same. Proving overall inferiority is another matter altogether.

    Suppose I were to say something like this:

    We'll never have honest, responsive government until women are in charge. Men are sex-crazed lechers who are too liable to blackmail as a result of their sexual indiscretions.

    Now, is it in fact true that men are more likely to do stupid and immoral things that compromise their independence? Yes, does it follow that they are inferior leaders? You tell me.

    (BTW, this is nothing personal, you understand? I know NAMALT, so hopefully you won't get offended.)

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @anon

    We’ll never have honest, responsive government until women are in charge.

    In the US, extending the vote to women was supposed to clean up politics, because of women being “more moral” than men. That was one theory.

    100 years later we have some results.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/809399.The_Inevitability_of_Patriarchy

    lol.

    PS: This is not all about you. Just saying.

  121. @Rosie
    @William Badwhite


    Rosie, there is a reason virtually all successful civilizations placed no weight on the opinions of women.
     
    Is that even true? I don't think you were privy to their pillow talk, were you?


    Your honor, I would like to submit the above as Exhibit A supporting my assertion that women are irrational and overly emotional.
     
    Your argument here is quite self-defeating, because I almost never say such things, whereas hysterical misogynists say such things about women all the time. You have spent more time criticizing me than you ever have any of them.


    didn’t take things personally when they’re clearly not directed at you.
     
    When someone implies that I (being a woman) have rights that I should not, I will almost always have something to say about that. If you call that "taking things personally," then so be it.

    Replies: @Rosie, @William Badwhite

    Sorry to have to dox you Rosie

    🙂

  122. @Rosie
    @botazefa


    I did’t read that as an attack on women.
     
    I did, and here's why (though it should be obvious):

    First, some context:


    America will not be a real nation until the likes of Lori Lightfoot are in a closet somewhere and the AWFLs are home baking cookies for their kids–and ergo a lot less awful.

    And productive men with families and a stake in the future are making the decisions.
     

    Not stated, but implied here is that America is going down the tubes because of the presence of women in positions of power and authority in society. The solution, of course, would be to remove women from such positions of power and authority.

    Now, you may think that is the right thing to do, and you are entitled to your opinion, but to deny that it is an attack on women is absurd. If you don't like the word "attack," what word do you think would be more suitable?

    Replies: @Cybele

    So true, Rosie.

    40 percent of families in this country are headed by women with little or no support from the “productive men” who helped to produce a human being but took no responsibility for its upbringing. Most of these women are working several jobs and don’t have time to bake cookies. I would venture that they are the ones who have a stake in the future.

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