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David Brooks writes in the NYT:

I chose to go to Compton and Watts for a specific reason, which offers a way forward. Harvard economist Raj Chetty recently led a study that showed that though these two neighborhoods are demographically similar and only 2.3 miles apart, 44 percent of the black men who grew up in Watts were incarcerated on April 1, 2010, compared with only 6.2 percent of the black men who grew up in families with similar incomes in Central Compton. Similarly, social mobility was much lower in Watts than in Compton.

Why are some neighborhoods, including some in Compton, able to give their kids better chances in life despite so many disadvantages? Chetty points to several factors: better schools, more fathers present in the neighborhoods and more cohesive community organizations.

I found all those things in my reporting in Compton — and something else. Watts is part of Los Angeles. Compton is its own city with its own mayor. I met a lot of great people in Watts, but Compton has more civic infrastructure — community groups and locally controlled government agencies. Compton has a lot of homegrown civic reformers, like Rafer Owens, who is a deputy Los Angeles County sheriff and pastor at a Baptist church. There’s also a mentality: We have faith in our ability to take care of ourselves; only people in the neighborhood really know what’s going on.

Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.

But we can reduce the opportunity gap if we follow the lessons of Compton: First, the neighborhood is the unit of change. Social mobility rises village by village. Second, the people in the community have to be in charge. They need resources from outside, but only local control does the trick.

Or maybe Compton’s notoriety as the home to gangsta rap is due to the fact that moderately educated blacks with okay jobs and ambitious sons tended to live there rather than in down-and-out Watts. 54% of Compton residents currently own their own home relative to 33% in Watts.

Compton’s original housing stock was pretty nice: e.g., George H.W. Bush moved his young family to Compton in 1949 when his oil career took him to SoCal, making Compton home to two Presidents.

Watts isn’t inevitably a disaster either — lots of cute little single family homes, but it was always intended to be fairly downscale. Compton was aimed a little higher than Watts from the start.

Compton is now mostly Latino but I believe most of the government jobs and politicians are still black. My guess is that the neighborhood in Compton where black kids do pretty well in life is the one where Compton’s cops, firemen, and politicians live. In the lousier neighborhoods in Compton, the blacks long ago moved out to the Inland Empire and the like, letting the Latinos take over.

 
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  1. ‘…Compton is now mostly Latino…’

    And we get to the actual explanation.

    • Replies: @Jake
    The Mexican tough guys/gang bangers will have driven off many of the worst blacks who used to live in Compton. They would have frightened most of the remaining bad blacks to restrict their worst activities to all-black areas, preferably in LA.
    , @Henry's Cat
    Brooks' sleight of hand is apparent right from when he compares the residents of Watts only with those of similar family income from Compton (and even then a 6% incarceration rate is incredibly high!). It's as if the demographic make-up of a person's neighbourhood is entirely irrelevant to an individual or constituent group's beliefs and actions. True, Brooks does extol the importance of civic values but he seems to think that these are merely an abstract function of government and charitable largesse.

    The uncomfortable corollary to the idea that the worst thing for blacks is to grow up and live around other blacks is that it might be better for society as a whole to geographically assimilate blacks as widely as possible.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    Brooks has made a lucrative career out of being an MSM token RINO. However, he seems to be transitioning his brand to that of a vapid "up with people" hopey-changey virtue signaler.

    His drive-by analysis of Compton is pretty typical: "I landed in LAX and drove through Watts (as fast as I could), and then talked to 'some people' in Compton. Now I've got it all figured out . . . being a separate city and having a separate layer of political bureaucracy will fix everything! It's all about community spirit and having a can-do attitude!"

    BTW, Chetty's tax data wouldn't include the race of the return-filers, so he must be extrapolating/making up any race-specific conclusions about how blacks fare in multi-ethnic communities like Compton.
  2. Related:

    As I get older, I am amazed about how grown adults buy the kayfabe nonsense that comes out of Hollywood about celebrities personal stories. I mean, I assume low-IQ types can be fooled, but I’ve met a lot of people of middle and High IQ who buy that NWA were hardcore gangsters, that every dude with a cowboy hat singing with a twang grew up on farms, that some celebrity’s hard-luck story is completely true and not designed to boost their image, that some politician’s well-worn anecdote is absolutely true.

    I mean, I get it for teens, this is their first time around, they have no experience with it. But after that, you’ve seen this sort of PR nonsense enough, you should be smelling b.s.

    I can’t tell you how many grown, intelligent SWPL adults who are into rap are shocked when I laugh at the idea of NWA being tough guys and inform them they were middle class music geeks/losers without any criminal proclivities, except Easy E, who was a minor high school drug dealing loser. The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    A lot of people don’t like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people’s minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    • Agree: Yojimbo/Zatoichi, Travis
    • Replies: @BenKenobi

    Whatever happened to question everything?
     
    Questions are no longer kosher because here in the foul Year of Our Lord 2020 a lot of answers have revealed themselves, and they're all racist.
    , @anon
    The only gangster in NWA was their manager
    , @Mr McKenna

    The denial from them is palatable and venomous.
     
    Boy is that the truth. Part of the way in which the MSM washes the brains of the masses is to enlist them in the cultural war against reprobates. Anyone who dares to question the Goodness of Media Figures (and of course their Narrative) est delenda.

    A lot of people don’t like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people’s minds. Whatever happened to question everything?
     
    Question Everything made sense fifty or sixty years ago, before they took hold of the reins of power. Now if you Question Anything you're a Nazi.

    Now here's 'David Brooks'--

    Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.
     

    Brooks, as is customary for his ilk, has no self-awareness whatever. Here he is saying, sure go ahead and focus on "us" --see how far you get with that, chump! But if you want to do good, focus on those middle-class white people who are the real problem.

    ETA: H/T to Dennis Dale upthread!

    , @Curle
    I agree, but I love the real life stories:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stephen_Morrison

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Roth

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuda_Zenjir%C5%8D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_L._Simon

    Son of Captain and Tennille:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0HI_ZTUSu4

    For the next time you start thinking they came up by their bootstraps.
    , @Joe, Averaged
    I really loved this comment. Thanks.
    , @Dave Pinsen
    Billie Eilish, in a case of youth Tourette's, got in a kerfuffle about rappers being fabulists earlier this year.

    https://twitter.com/Genius/status/1224736656714014723?s=20
    , @Hypnotoad666
    IIRC, Ice Cube went to Encino H.S. Not exactly the mean streets of the 'hood. He and Ice T (who is one of the whitest black guys ever), have also been making bank playing TV cops for years. A long way from "f*ck the police" and Straight Outta Compton.
    , @kaganovitch
    A lot of people don’t like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people’s minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    It's interesting that back in the heyday of the studio system, when the studios actually bribed reporters & bestrode the world like Colossi, they had less control of the media than today, when the media volunteers for the water carrier position.
    , @obwandiyag
    You think that's bad. You oughtta see how they react when you tell them that all, all professional sports is fixed and all, all of them are on steroids. You'd think the sky had fallen.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    Rappers ... their cultural heroes?


    We're not doomed, pace John Derbyshire, because "doomed" implies a fate reserved for the future, and therefore avoidable.

    The doom has come and gone, and we are over and done with.
  3. Or maybe Compton’s notoriety as the home to gangsta rap is due to the fact that moderately educated blacks with okay jobs and ambitious sons tended to live there rather than in down-and-out Watts. 54% of Compton residents currently own their own home relative to 33% in Watts.

    If we could only have a government program, in partnership with the private sector, to raise minority home ownership.

    • LOL: Kronos, Ian Smith
    • Replies: @europeasant
    "If we could only have a government program, in partnership with the private sector, to raise minority home ownership"

    Round number two coming up soon as soon as enough people forget about 2008 housing crash.
  4. Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.

    Ummmmmmmmmmm

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @AnotherDad


    Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.
     
    Ummmmmmmmmmm
     
    Spot on NME. That popped for me too.

    "Most unjust"? What a bizarre comment, from someone who claims to be a social observer.

    I grew up as an 80%er. (My dad an engineer at what Steve refers to as a "major packaged goods company". ) 80%ers are the productive core, the public spirited, the folks who carry society forward.

    Even most of the folks--inventors, scientists, engineers--who figure out improvements and really move the ball downfield don't crack the 1%. Some 1% are there because of true "moved the ball forward" work. But most just through hustle and often connections and/or luck. (Someone has to win.)

    In contrast, even among white people, when you're down to the 20%ers, they really are pretty mediocre. Either quite limited in capability or ill-disciplined. They are not the dregs but they are not contributing. They live off the capability of the 80%ers. (And that's among whites. America is no longer overwhelmingly white and the mean capability of its minority population is much worse.)

    In contrast to the somewhat random quality of who's in the 1%, the 80-20 split is pretty clearly "just". Some people are just quite a bit more capable, disciplined and productive than other people.
  5. @R.G. Camara
    Related:

    As I get older, I am amazed about how grown adults buy the kayfabe nonsense that comes out of Hollywood about celebrities personal stories. I mean, I assume low-IQ types can be fooled, but I've met a lot of people of middle and High IQ who buy that NWA were hardcore gangsters, that every dude with a cowboy hat singing with a twang grew up on farms, that some celebrity's hard-luck story is completely true and not designed to boost their image, that some politician's well-worn anecdote is absolutely true.

    I mean, I get it for teens, this is their first time around, they have no experience with it. But after that, you've seen this sort of PR nonsense enough, you should be smelling b.s.

    I can't tell you how many grown, intelligent SWPL adults who are into rap are shocked when I laugh at the idea of NWA being tough guys and inform them they were middle class music geeks/losers without any criminal proclivities, except Easy E, who was a minor high school drug dealing loser. The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    A lot of people don't like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people's minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    Whatever happened to question everything?

    Questions are no longer kosher because here in the foul Year of Our Lord 2020 a lot of answers have revealed themselves, and they’re all racist.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Question everything until "we" win.
  6. Think Gangsta rap was created by an Compton thug named Dre or Snoop? Try a mild mannered Pomona kid named Gregory Hutchinson from an illustrious musical family.

    “My dad is Richard Hutch, who was one of his writers and producers. My dad wrote for the Jacksons, he wrote for the Miracles, he wrote for the Commodores, and he wrote for Willie Hutch. He was a writer and producer as well. My uncle was the artist.”

    Gregory founded the rap group Above the Law and produced the first gangsta rap album, Black Mafia, one year before Dr Dre ripped him off. Here’s an article covering the matter, and below the progenitor of a song and style stolen by Dre on his ‘groundbreaking’ G rap album The Chronic.

    https://www.complex.com/music/2017/07/the-inventor-of-g-funk-interview

    • Replies: @newrouter
    > one year before Dr Dre ripped him off. <

    Noise is copyrighted? Because there isn't any signal.

    , @Kim
    Somebody wants to take the "credit" for that crap?
    , @Curle
    The additional irony of Greg Hutchinson being the name of the inventor of gangsta rap is the fact that ‘Greg’ was the alleged ‘white’ name used in that ridiculous ‘field study’ a few years ago where employer responses to resumes submitted to newspaper ads where male applicants were divided evenly between applicants named Greg and applicants named DeShawn (or some similar low rent black name) produced an 3% differential, 6/100 for Greg and 3/100 for DeShawn. This 3% differential spawned a nation wide tour of diversity hand-wringers decrying the 100% greater response for white names (Greg) when compared to black names (DeShawn) thus proving racism.

    I guess it also means whites invented gangsta rap?

    Critics rightfully pointed out that Cletus vs DeShawn would have been a better comparison.
    , @Whitey Whiteman III
    G-Funk and gangster rap are not the same thing. Lots of people, including NWA, had gangster stuff out well before Chronic (or this dude).
    , @kihowi
    Dre was great. So catchy. I loved 2001; both the songs where he brags about blacks committing crimes, and the songs where he complains about cops assuming blacks commit crimes.
  7. @Curle
    Think Gangsta rap was created by an Compton thug named Dre or Snoop? Try a mild mannered Pomona kid named Gregory Hutchinson from an illustrious musical family.

    “My dad is Richard Hutch, who was one of his writers and producers. My dad wrote for the Jacksons, he wrote for the Miracles, he wrote for the Commodores, and he wrote for Willie Hutch. He was a writer and producer as well. My uncle was the artist.”

    Gregory founded the rap group Above the Law and produced the first gangsta rap album, Black Mafia, one year before Dr Dre ripped him off. Here’s an article covering the matter, and below the progenitor of a song and style stolen by Dre on his ‘groundbreaking’ G rap album The Chronic.

    https://www.complex.com/music/2017/07/the-inventor-of-g-funk-interview

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9MzdnHxfng

    > one year before Dr Dre ripped him off. <

    Noise is copyrighted? Because there isn’t any signal.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  8. Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.

    The oblivious dope is giving away the game here. “It isn’t the obscene concentration of money and power in the hands of the genuinely privileged and powerful, it’s the white racism keeping black genius down!”

    The “Narrative” in a nutshell.

    • Replies: @Kim
    Great observation.
    , @Almost Missouri

    Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.
     
    Says the guy who plunked down $2 million on a new home for him and his secretary.

    Yeah, whatever you do, definitely don't look at the top 1 percent.

    Especially when Annie is home alone while David is doing field research in Compton.
  9. Compton is now mostly Latino but I believe most of the government jobs and politicians are still black.

    Latins are lousy enough politicians. Add to that their lack of eligibility in a foreign (to them) country– blacks are citizens, after all– and this is not very surprising.

    How does Weird Al’s Lyndale rate?

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    Lynwood. Judging from the AAU teams I played against in the 80s and looking at its current population, mostly Latino, probably the same as Compton. Median income $50,000. Most "hoods" in SoCal are on the surface quite appealing when compared to "hoods" that I have spent any amount of time in in the Midwest, Detroit, especially.
    , @Seth Largo
    Lynwood is not as gentrified as Compton. I mean, it's mostly Latino, so it's fine, it's not Southside Chicago, but it's blue collar. My dad grew up there. One day, maybe ten years ago, he drove us by his old house. Bars on the windows now, and some gang affiliated toughs stared us down. But you're not going to be the victim of random crime.

    Downey, adjacent to Lynwood, is really nice. Mostly middle-class Latinos and whites. My grandmother and several cousins live there, as they have for 25 years now. The 710 on the east and the 110 on the west are the dividers between "south central LA" and perfectly respectable burbs.
    , @Neoconned
    If memory serves me right Compton is 70% latino.....ironic given black Americans still blather on about a Mexican city as if they still owned it. As scary as it is for me to say the 1980s are now 40 yrs old....
  10. Compton is now mostly Latino but I believe most of the government jobs and politicians are still black. My guess is that the neighborhood in Compton where black kids do pretty well in life is the one where Compton’s cops, firemen, and politicians live.

    What about those white hipster gentrifiers that were supposed to be moving in?

    • Replies: @Anon
    They're still colonizing Culver City
  11. @R.G. Camara
    Related:

    As I get older, I am amazed about how grown adults buy the kayfabe nonsense that comes out of Hollywood about celebrities personal stories. I mean, I assume low-IQ types can be fooled, but I've met a lot of people of middle and High IQ who buy that NWA were hardcore gangsters, that every dude with a cowboy hat singing with a twang grew up on farms, that some celebrity's hard-luck story is completely true and not designed to boost their image, that some politician's well-worn anecdote is absolutely true.

    I mean, I get it for teens, this is their first time around, they have no experience with it. But after that, you've seen this sort of PR nonsense enough, you should be smelling b.s.

    I can't tell you how many grown, intelligent SWPL adults who are into rap are shocked when I laugh at the idea of NWA being tough guys and inform them they were middle class music geeks/losers without any criminal proclivities, except Easy E, who was a minor high school drug dealing loser. The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    A lot of people don't like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people's minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    The only gangster in NWA was their manager

  12. Compton is now mostly Latino but I believe most of the government jobs and politicians are still black.

    I interviewed for a city job once in Compton. The panel I interviewed with was all black and I wasn’t. I assume the position was only made public due to rules requiring entry-level positions to be open to the public. From how the interview went, as well as the published qualification and pay, I would have assumed my qualifications would have made me a competitive candidate. I did not receive a callback for a second interview.

    • Replies: @Anon

    I interviewed for a city job once in Compton. The panel I interviewed with was all black and I wasn’t.
     
    Luke Rosiak at the Washington Times wrote a 3-part series, with some followups, on the Washington Metro system, which illustrates the reverse affirmative action of gubmit jobs. At Metro 97 percent of bus and train drivers are black. If you are Hispanic, forget about it. White? Ha-ha-ha.

    2012-03-26 Metro derailed by culture of complacence, incompetence, lack of diversity
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/26/metro-derailed-by-culture-of-complacence-incompete/

    2012-03-28 Even with big salaries, Metro can't fill its jobs
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/27/even-with-big-salaries-metro-cant-fill-its-jobs/

    2012-04-02 Metro transit police: Not quite the region's finest
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-police-not-quite-dcs-finest/

    2012-04-02 Metro gag order at odds with law
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-gag-order-at-odds-with-law/

    2012-05-03 Metro closes ranks against outside 'attacks'
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/3/metro-closes-ranks-against-outside-attacks/

    2011-12-28 Report finds Metro hiring process skirted
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/28/report-finds-metro-hiring-process-skirted/

    2012-07-26 Metro reimbursed questionable college courses for half-million dollars
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/26/college-takes-some-metro-workers-for-off-the-rails/

    Remember the white-adjacent woman who tweeted a photo of a Metro worker eating on the train, against the rules? The Metro Police Chief immediately and retroactively changed the rules, legalizing eating as well as fare evasion and spitting on trains.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/05/11/dc-pundit-shamed-metro-worker-eating-train-now-her-book-deal-is-jeopardy/
    , @bomag
    Thanks for the anecdote.

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups. Everything? A few exceptions: Mormons and other religious groups, but I'm not sure how good an example they are.

    Other groups sure don't hesitate to help their own, pace the Chinese, sub-continent Indians, Mexicans, etc., etc. Heck, Native American patronage is written into law.

  13. @Curle
    Think Gangsta rap was created by an Compton thug named Dre or Snoop? Try a mild mannered Pomona kid named Gregory Hutchinson from an illustrious musical family.

    “My dad is Richard Hutch, who was one of his writers and producers. My dad wrote for the Jacksons, he wrote for the Miracles, he wrote for the Commodores, and he wrote for Willie Hutch. He was a writer and producer as well. My uncle was the artist.”

    Gregory founded the rap group Above the Law and produced the first gangsta rap album, Black Mafia, one year before Dr Dre ripped him off. Here’s an article covering the matter, and below the progenitor of a song and style stolen by Dre on his ‘groundbreaking’ G rap album The Chronic.

    https://www.complex.com/music/2017/07/the-inventor-of-g-funk-interview

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9MzdnHxfng

    Somebody wants to take the “credit” for that crap?

  14. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:

    Watts’ rep was damaged by the ’65 riots, then sunk completely by the ’92 riots yet it was never quite the Afro-Am aulde sod of David Brooks’s extensive cartoon research. Watts, Wilmington, Crenshaw, and Adams all were white-plurality neighborhoods of the city proper as recently as the completion of the Harbor Freeway in the early 60s

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Expressways always damage, and not infrequently destroy, neighborhoods.
  15. @Curle
    Think Gangsta rap was created by an Compton thug named Dre or Snoop? Try a mild mannered Pomona kid named Gregory Hutchinson from an illustrious musical family.

    “My dad is Richard Hutch, who was one of his writers and producers. My dad wrote for the Jacksons, he wrote for the Miracles, he wrote for the Commodores, and he wrote for Willie Hutch. He was a writer and producer as well. My uncle was the artist.”

    Gregory founded the rap group Above the Law and produced the first gangsta rap album, Black Mafia, one year before Dr Dre ripped him off. Here’s an article covering the matter, and below the progenitor of a song and style stolen by Dre on his ‘groundbreaking’ G rap album The Chronic.

    https://www.complex.com/music/2017/07/the-inventor-of-g-funk-interview

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9MzdnHxfng

    The additional irony of Greg Hutchinson being the name of the inventor of gangsta rap is the fact that ‘Greg’ was the alleged ‘white’ name used in that ridiculous ‘field study’ a few years ago where employer responses to resumes submitted to newspaper ads where male applicants were divided evenly between applicants named Greg and applicants named DeShawn (or some similar low rent black name) produced an 3% differential, 6/100 for Greg and 3/100 for DeShawn. This 3% differential spawned a nation wide tour of diversity hand-wringers decrying the 100% greater response for white names (Greg) when compared to black names (DeShawn) thus proving racism.

    I guess it also means whites invented gangsta rap?

    Critics rightfully pointed out that Cletus vs DeShawn would have been a better comparison.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Critics rightfully pointed out that Cletus vs DeShawn would have been a better comparison.
     
    Excellent way to try to get the idiots to understand that the issue in America isn’t race.

    It’s culture.

    Unfortunately blacks and whites alike have collectively romanticized the moral and ethical sensibilities of a 1861 runaway field negro. It reflects a secret cynicism of what black people are capable of, and it’s sad, and self-defeating.

    "Jabari" the ignorant, angry field negro isn’t much different from some degenerate White hillbilly from West Virginia, or some cross-eyed, inbred two-bit Oakie. Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas. Let’s just refer to them all as "Cletus." There’s a lot of them, still. Black folks don’t have the market cornered on ignorant, ornery shitheads, but it would be nice if they would stop propping up that mentality as anything more than supremely self-indulgent and pathetic.

    Ain’t no honor in being a dumb n-word. For those of you who have tried to bring respect to gangster life, how's that been working out for you?

    , @Jack D
    Does any white person actually name their kids "Cletus" anymore outside of cartoons? 'Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D'Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a "tell" for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate - e.g. John Edwards really name is "Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc.
  16. Why are some neighborhoods, including some in Compton, able to give their kids better chances in life despite so many disadvantages?

    Pretty sure the answer requires us to accept guilt, open our wallets, accept guilt, open our wallets, and so on.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  17. @Dennis Dale

    Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.
     
    The oblivious dope is giving away the game here. "It isn't the obscene concentration of money and power in the hands of the genuinely privileged and powerful, it's the white racism keeping black genius down!"

    The "Narrative" in a nutshell.

    Great observation.

  18. The “Greatest Generation” and other political cuckolds thrilled to giving Blacks affirmative action government jobs at the expense of other Whites. Gave them that Good Doggie feeling. They were being “principled”.

    The more they betrayed their own, the more they held their head high.

  19. @R.G. Camara
    Related:

    As I get older, I am amazed about how grown adults buy the kayfabe nonsense that comes out of Hollywood about celebrities personal stories. I mean, I assume low-IQ types can be fooled, but I've met a lot of people of middle and High IQ who buy that NWA were hardcore gangsters, that every dude with a cowboy hat singing with a twang grew up on farms, that some celebrity's hard-luck story is completely true and not designed to boost their image, that some politician's well-worn anecdote is absolutely true.

    I mean, I get it for teens, this is their first time around, they have no experience with it. But after that, you've seen this sort of PR nonsense enough, you should be smelling b.s.

    I can't tell you how many grown, intelligent SWPL adults who are into rap are shocked when I laugh at the idea of NWA being tough guys and inform them they were middle class music geeks/losers without any criminal proclivities, except Easy E, who was a minor high school drug dealing loser. The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    A lot of people don't like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people's minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    Boy is that the truth. Part of the way in which the MSM washes the brains of the masses is to enlist them in the cultural war against reprobates. Anyone who dares to question the Goodness of Media Figures (and of course their Narrative) est delenda.

    A lot of people don’t like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people’s minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    Question Everything made sense fifty or sixty years ago, before they took hold of the reins of power. Now if you Question Anything you’re a Nazi.

    Now here’s ‘David Brooks’–

    Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.

    Brooks, as is customary for his ilk, has no self-awareness whatever. Here he is saying, sure go ahead and focus on “us” –see how far you get with that, chump! But if you want to do good, focus on those middle-class white people who are the real problem.

    ETA: H/T to Dennis Dale upthread!

    • Replies: @Lot
    “ it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust“

    What was really unjust was the 5 year age gap between David Brooks and Mrs. Brooks #1.

    The 23 year age gap between him and Mrs. Brooks #2 is glaringly just.
  20. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Uh… in the seventies, Compton was a “no go” area for white folks. I played on the football team at my high school, I recall when we had to play a night game as visitors at Compton High, our busses had a four car police escort, with lights but no siren, so we didn’t have to obey stop lights coming in, or going out. Every time our team had to go there it was fucking intense, especially heading home after we won a game.

    Whenever Compton High played a night game at our school, police presence was tripled, and damned if a visiting Comptonite booster didn’t pull off a successful strong-armed robbery or purse snatching in one of the parking lots after the game, despite the heavy police presence.

    I know there were many relatively sedate, successful middle-class black communities in the South. Compton did not reflect that black workin’ joe mentality.. The city was pretty crazy, and dangerous, when it was majority black. Once the Latino’s literally ran them out, crime dropped dramatically, and most recently, they reopened MLK Hospital. The first California hospital opened and run by blacks, that went bankrupt. I understand it’s doing very well now, since it’s been deblacked. What they have left of a black city council has a long history of almost comical corruption.

    Anyway, I think the conclusion drawn by the writer might not be very well informed, and if his visit was recent, then he is leaving out the Latino-led very successful pogroms against blacks over the last 20 years, and the results tied to that. He’s either ignorant, or not honest.

    • Agree: Alden, Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I played football at Samohi and we played against some of the compton and inglewood schools.

    I remember the first time we went somewhere like Centennial our coaches told us we were going to use the buddy system to keep track of each other at all times.
    I thought they were kidding but they were definitely not.

    I usually had no issues with my fellow student-athletes but some of the shit talk from their brothers/cousins/uncles/whatever could get a little inappropriate in terms of adults using threatening language in a way that was not....not believable.

    Playing high school football in the hood is an experience.


    Samohi, a truly diverse school. The football team didnt look like my classroooms (i shared one but not the other with stephen miller).

    , @Alden
    MLK hospital didn’t go bankrupt. It was closed by the health authorities because of so many deaths from affirmative action malpractice. It was a big deal at the time. The big hospital certification agency wanted to close MLK hospital for years. But the blacks had enough political power to keep the literal death trap open.

    It’s a perfect example of affirmative action in action.
    , @Colin Wright
    '... then he is leaving out the Latino-led very successful pogroms against blacks over the last 20 years...'

    The concept of 'Latino-led pogroms' is appealing, and I'd be all for them -- but I suspect the truth is more mundane.

    As long as a neighborhood is black, all a property owner can do is rent -- and rent for not much.

    Now, Latinos are house-buying fools. They will do anything to buy a house -- kind of stupid that way, actually. Guess who got stuck with half the over-priced inner-city housing stock in the 2008 crash?

    But it all does tend to drive out the Darkies. A property owner -- used to asking for $500.00 a month and gritting his teeth when his house gets destroyed and the rent doesn't get paid yet again -- suddenly discovers he can sell that same house to Benito and his wife for $200,000.

    Guess what happens?
  21. Anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    I’ve been thinking for awhile that a new booming career will be as a consultant who walks into a workplace and makes recommendations on how to make it Covid safe. I haven’t heard of anyone doing this. It would be an obvious ploy for the big management consulting firms, but any smart person with sales and communications skills could do it, since a lot of it is commonsense, and your main contribution would be to be the “outside guy” who has no personal stake in the current system and who management would listen to (unlike its own staff, who management ignores or intimidates, but who could probably make the same recommendations).

    — Talking to all stakeholders … in private.

    — Work-from-home-ification of jobs. My wife’s company is looking for computer security advice, since they have fears about that, so for this some tech chops or a subcontractor would be needed.

    — Making jobs productivity-auditable so work-from-homers actually work (the upWork freelancer has some good ideas developed over a long time, like every-about-10-minutes screen shots forwarded to HQ, after worker approval).

    — Related: staggered work hours for people who must be on site.

    — Zoom consulting (might consist also of “Have you heard of the telephone?”).

    — Putting some space, and some vinyl, between workers.

    — Daily temperature and blood oxygen recorded.

    — Ventilation. I suspect this is rather complex, but a little hoodoo advice will calm nerves. Or get a knowledgable subcontractor to really fix things.

    — Customer/visitor management (waiting room seating, moving stuff outside, appointment system to keep them away until you can help them; keeping them at home and using delivery, the web, or Zoom … or the telephone … have you heard of it?).

    — Masks, eye wear, face coverings, hand washing, surface disinfection, machines that fill spaces with giant billowing clouds of some unknown substance.

    — Staggered work hours if working on site.

    — Surfacing unnecessary tasks and paperwork.

    — Communicating with customers about all of this.

    • Replies: @Alice
    You're late to the party. There is a whole world of women with Masters in Public Health who have been trying to get by knocking out fat shaming and high school shooter papers, who just found out they are credentialed to tell people what to do if they want their business being be deemed "essential" and "following public health recommendations" so it can reopen, and they are relishing their new power.
    , @Mr McKenna

    I’ve been thinking for awhile that a new booming career will be as a consultant who walks into a workplace and makes recommendations on how to make it Covid safe. I haven’t heard of anyone doing this.
     
    Just get Zelda May Rubinstein.

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/poltergeist-1982-warner-bros-1523395133.jpg

    Wiki calls her "American actress and human rights activist."

    And no, she's not dead. She's just resting.

    , @Hibernian

    — Ventilation. I suspect this is rather complex, but a little hoodoo advice will calm nerves. Or get a knowledgable subcontractor to really fix things.
     
    This. HVAC engineers and contractors will make a fortune.
  22. In the lousier neighborhoods in Compton, the blacks long ago moved out to the Inland Empire and the like, letting the Latinos take over.

    Speaking of which, all the data from RUnzie Baby’s ‘Hispanic Crime Series’ was up to 2010. His core thesis, which is that the Hispanic community, particularly in California, was much more foreign-born, younger, and more male-heavy than the white population, and thus this is the reason for a high unadjusted rate of crime. Hence, he believed that by 2020 these factors would normalize that Hispanic crime (at least in Mexican-heavy parts of the country) would reveal itself to be just 1.2x that of whites.

    As it is now 2020, it is time for an update from RUnzie Baby. He should discuss whether he was right or not.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna

    As it is now 2020, it is time for an update from RUnzie Baby. He should discuss whether he was right or not.
     
    Spoiler alert...
    , @anon
    His asinine conclusion is the product of not adjusting for the number of people in prison.

    If Mexicans were just as criminal as whites, you'd expect the homicide/violent crime rates to be lower than they were when L.A. was majority white. The percentage of the population incarcerated per-capita is at least 2x higher than it was back then.
  23. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curle
    The additional irony of Greg Hutchinson being the name of the inventor of gangsta rap is the fact that ‘Greg’ was the alleged ‘white’ name used in that ridiculous ‘field study’ a few years ago where employer responses to resumes submitted to newspaper ads where male applicants were divided evenly between applicants named Greg and applicants named DeShawn (or some similar low rent black name) produced an 3% differential, 6/100 for Greg and 3/100 for DeShawn. This 3% differential spawned a nation wide tour of diversity hand-wringers decrying the 100% greater response for white names (Greg) when compared to black names (DeShawn) thus proving racism.

    I guess it also means whites invented gangsta rap?

    Critics rightfully pointed out that Cletus vs DeShawn would have been a better comparison.

    Critics rightfully pointed out that Cletus vs DeShawn would have been a better comparison.

    Excellent way to try to get the idiots to understand that the issue in America isn’t race.

    It’s culture.

    Unfortunately blacks and whites alike have collectively romanticized the moral and ethical sensibilities of a 1861 runaway field negro. It reflects a secret cynicism of what black people are capable of, and it’s sad, and self-defeating.

    “Jabari” the ignorant, angry field negro isn’t much different from some degenerate White hillbilly from West Virginia, or some cross-eyed, inbred two-bit Oakie. Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas. Let’s just refer to them all as “Cletus.” There’s a lot of them, still. Black folks don’t have the market cornered on ignorant, ornery shitheads, but it would be nice if they would stop propping up that mentality as anything more than supremely self-indulgent and pathetic.

    Ain’t no honor in being a dumb n-word. For those of you who have tried to bring respect to gangster life, how’s that been working out for you?

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @anon

    some degenerate White hillbilly from West Virginia, or some cross-eyed, inbred two-bit Oakie. Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas.
     
    You've never been to West Virgina, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.
    You are an idiot.
    , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas.
     
    This comment has all the noxious stench of the Eternal WASP.
    , @Alden
    What are you blathering about, especially “ bring respect to gangster life” ? What does that even mean?
  24. @R.G. Camara
    Related:

    As I get older, I am amazed about how grown adults buy the kayfabe nonsense that comes out of Hollywood about celebrities personal stories. I mean, I assume low-IQ types can be fooled, but I've met a lot of people of middle and High IQ who buy that NWA were hardcore gangsters, that every dude with a cowboy hat singing with a twang grew up on farms, that some celebrity's hard-luck story is completely true and not designed to boost their image, that some politician's well-worn anecdote is absolutely true.

    I mean, I get it for teens, this is their first time around, they have no experience with it. But after that, you've seen this sort of PR nonsense enough, you should be smelling b.s.

    I can't tell you how many grown, intelligent SWPL adults who are into rap are shocked when I laugh at the idea of NWA being tough guys and inform them they were middle class music geeks/losers without any criminal proclivities, except Easy E, who was a minor high school drug dealing loser. The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    A lot of people don't like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people's minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    I agree, but I love the real life stories:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stephen_Morrison

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Roth

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuda_Zenjir%C5%8D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_L._Simon

    Son of Captain and Tennille:

    For the next time you start thinking they came up by their bootstraps.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    The best thing about the Surf Punks was that their songs were mercifully brief.
  25. found all those things in my reporting in Compton — and something else. Watts is part of Los Angeles. Compton is its own city with its own mayor. I met a lot of great people in Watts, but Compton has more civic infrastructure — community groups and locally controlled government agencies. Compton has a lot of homegrown civic reformers, like Rafer Owens, who is a deputy Los Angeles County sheriff and pastor at a Baptist church. There’s also a mentality: We have faith in our ability to take care of ourselves; only people in the neighborhood really know what’s going on.

    Yeah, that works real well. See Detroit, Baltimore, Gary, St. Louis, DC under Marion Barry.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  26. @Anon
    OT

    I've been thinking for awhile that a new booming career will be as a consultant who walks into a workplace and makes recommendations on how to make it Covid safe. I haven't heard of anyone doing this. It would be an obvious ploy for the big management consulting firms, but any smart person with sales and communications skills could do it, since a lot of it is commonsense, and your main contribution would be to be the "outside guy" who has no personal stake in the current system and who management would listen to (unlike its own staff, who management ignores or intimidates, but who could probably make the same recommendations).

    -- Talking to all stakeholders ... in private.

    -- Work-from-home-ification of jobs. My wife's company is looking for computer security advice, since they have fears about that, so for this some tech chops or a subcontractor would be needed.

    -- Making jobs productivity-auditable so work-from-homers actually work (the upWork freelancer has some good ideas developed over a long time, like every-about-10-minutes screen shots forwarded to HQ, after worker approval).

    -- Related: staggered work hours for people who must be on site.

    -- Zoom consulting (might consist also of "Have you heard of the telephone?").

    -- Putting some space, and some vinyl, between workers.

    -- Daily temperature and blood oxygen recorded.

    -- Ventilation. I suspect this is rather complex, but a little hoodoo advice will calm nerves. Or get a knowledgable subcontractor to really fix things.

    -- Customer/visitor management (waiting room seating, moving stuff outside, appointment system to keep them away until you can help them; keeping them at home and using delivery, the web, or Zoom ... or the telephone ... have you heard of it?).

    -- Masks, eye wear, face coverings, hand washing, surface disinfection, machines that fill spaces with giant billowing clouds of some unknown substance.

    -- Staggered work hours if working on site.

    -- Surfacing unnecessary tasks and paperwork.

    -- Communicating with customers about all of this.

    You’re late to the party. There is a whole world of women with Masters in Public Health who have been trying to get by knocking out fat shaming and high school shooter papers, who just found out they are credentialed to tell people what to do if they want their business being be deemed “essential” and “following public health recommendations” so it can reopen, and they are relishing their new power.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Maybe I'm not up to date on the news, but I have not seen one article that says any guvmint "workers" anywhere have been laid off. I guess even the proverbial surly babe at the DMV is essential even though it is closed.
  27. @Anon
    OT

    I've been thinking for awhile that a new booming career will be as a consultant who walks into a workplace and makes recommendations on how to make it Covid safe. I haven't heard of anyone doing this. It would be an obvious ploy for the big management consulting firms, but any smart person with sales and communications skills could do it, since a lot of it is commonsense, and your main contribution would be to be the "outside guy" who has no personal stake in the current system and who management would listen to (unlike its own staff, who management ignores or intimidates, but who could probably make the same recommendations).

    -- Talking to all stakeholders ... in private.

    -- Work-from-home-ification of jobs. My wife's company is looking for computer security advice, since they have fears about that, so for this some tech chops or a subcontractor would be needed.

    -- Making jobs productivity-auditable so work-from-homers actually work (the upWork freelancer has some good ideas developed over a long time, like every-about-10-minutes screen shots forwarded to HQ, after worker approval).

    -- Related: staggered work hours for people who must be on site.

    -- Zoom consulting (might consist also of "Have you heard of the telephone?").

    -- Putting some space, and some vinyl, between workers.

    -- Daily temperature and blood oxygen recorded.

    -- Ventilation. I suspect this is rather complex, but a little hoodoo advice will calm nerves. Or get a knowledgable subcontractor to really fix things.

    -- Customer/visitor management (waiting room seating, moving stuff outside, appointment system to keep them away until you can help them; keeping them at home and using delivery, the web, or Zoom ... or the telephone ... have you heard of it?).

    -- Masks, eye wear, face coverings, hand washing, surface disinfection, machines that fill spaces with giant billowing clouds of some unknown substance.

    -- Staggered work hours if working on site.

    -- Surfacing unnecessary tasks and paperwork.

    -- Communicating with customers about all of this.

    I’ve been thinking for awhile that a new booming career will be as a consultant who walks into a workplace and makes recommendations on how to make it Covid safe. I haven’t heard of anyone doing this.

    Just get Zelda May Rubinstein.

    Wiki calls her “American actress and human rights activist.”

    And no, she’s not dead. She’s just resting.

    • LOL: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @International Jew
    Extra points for Monty Python quote.
    , @Ron Mexico
    Her wiki page says she had a Bachelor's in Bacteriology, later worked as a lab technician in blood banks, so, yeah, you picked a good one. She also didn't have a funeral, so maybe she is still with us.
  28. Anon[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomas

    Compton is now mostly Latino but I believe most of the government jobs and politicians are still black.
     
    I interviewed for a city job once in Compton. The panel I interviewed with was all black and I wasn't. I assume the position was only made public due to rules requiring entry-level positions to be open to the public. From how the interview went, as well as the published qualification and pay, I would have assumed my qualifications would have made me a competitive candidate. I did not receive a callback for a second interview.

    I interviewed for a city job once in Compton. The panel I interviewed with was all black and I wasn’t.

    Luke Rosiak at the Washington Times wrote a 3-part series, with some followups, on the Washington Metro system, which illustrates the reverse affirmative action of gubmit jobs. At Metro 97 percent of bus and train drivers are black. If you are Hispanic, forget about it. White? Ha-ha-ha.

    2012-03-26 Metro derailed by culture of complacence, incompetence, lack of diversity
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/26/metro-derailed-by-culture-of-complacence-incompete/

    2012-03-28 Even with big salaries, Metro can’t fill its jobs
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/27/even-with-big-salaries-metro-cant-fill-its-jobs/

    2012-04-02 Metro transit police: Not quite the region’s finest
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-police-not-quite-dcs-finest/

    [MORE]

    2012-04-02 Metro gag order at odds with law
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-gag-order-at-odds-with-law/

    2012-05-03 Metro closes ranks against outside ‘attacks’
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/3/metro-closes-ranks-against-outside-attacks/

    2011-12-28 Report finds Metro hiring process skirted
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/28/report-finds-metro-hiring-process-skirted/

    2012-07-26 Metro reimbursed questionable college courses for half-million dollars
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/26/college-takes-some-metro-workers-for-off-the-rails/

    Remember the white-adjacent woman who tweeted a photo of a Metro worker eating on the train, against the rules? The Metro Police Chief immediately and retroactively changed the rules, legalizing eating as well as fare evasion and spitting on trains.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/05/11/dc-pundit-shamed-metro-worker-eating-train-now-her-book-deal-is-jeopardy/

    • Replies: @Thomas
    One thing that's allowed blacks to hold on to some degree of political power and patronage jobs in cities like Compton is that California hasn't openly allowed non-citizens to vote in all local elections yet. I assume that step, when it comes, will probably be when the last vestiges of crooked black political machines getting replaced by crooked Hispanic political machines (as already exist in a number of local cities, like Bell, Cudahy, Lynwood, Maywood, and so forth).
    , @Thomas
    One thing that's allowed blacks to hold on to some degree of political power and patronage jobs in cities like Compton is that California hasn't openly allowed non-citizens to vote in all local elections yet. I assume that step, when it comes, will probably be when the last vestiges of crooked black political machines finally get replaced by crooked Hispanic political machines (as already exist in a number of local cities, like Bell, Cudahy, Lynwood and Maywood).
    , @Rohirrimborn
    I commute to work on the DC Metro subway. About two years DC Metro had an advertising campaign pitched at being courteous to Metro employees. The ads featured photos of actual Metro employees. Metro went way out of its way to find and feature the few Whites and Asians among its ranks for the ads. The deception was breathtaking.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    WMATA was so corrupt that its inspectors were falsifying their safety reports. After a series of accidents, some fatal, they put a white guy in charge who started doing emergency inspections and fixes to the entire system. I can only imagine the overtime costs.
  29. The best Compton song:

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
    • LOL: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @donut
    Brilliant fo sho .

    https://www.truewestmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/BTK_lead_Photograph-of-Billy-Playing-Croquet.jpg
  30. @Thomm

    In the lousier neighborhoods in Compton, the blacks long ago moved out to the Inland Empire and the like, letting the Latinos take over.
     
    Speaking of which, all the data from RUnzie Baby's 'Hispanic Crime Series' was up to 2010. His core thesis, which is that the Hispanic community, particularly in California, was much more foreign-born, younger, and more male-heavy than the white population, and thus this is the reason for a high unadjusted rate of crime. Hence, he believed that by 2020 these factors would normalize that Hispanic crime (at least in Mexican-heavy parts of the country) would reveal itself to be just 1.2x that of whites.

    As it is now 2020, it is time for an update from RUnzie Baby. He should discuss whether he was right or not.

    As it is now 2020, it is time for an update from RUnzie Baby. He should discuss whether he was right or not.

    Spoiler alert…

  31. @R.G. Camara
    Related:

    As I get older, I am amazed about how grown adults buy the kayfabe nonsense that comes out of Hollywood about celebrities personal stories. I mean, I assume low-IQ types can be fooled, but I've met a lot of people of middle and High IQ who buy that NWA were hardcore gangsters, that every dude with a cowboy hat singing with a twang grew up on farms, that some celebrity's hard-luck story is completely true and not designed to boost their image, that some politician's well-worn anecdote is absolutely true.

    I mean, I get it for teens, this is their first time around, they have no experience with it. But after that, you've seen this sort of PR nonsense enough, you should be smelling b.s.

    I can't tell you how many grown, intelligent SWPL adults who are into rap are shocked when I laugh at the idea of NWA being tough guys and inform them they were middle class music geeks/losers without any criminal proclivities, except Easy E, who was a minor high school drug dealing loser. The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    A lot of people don't like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people's minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    I really loved this comment. Thanks.

  32. @R.G. Camara
    Related:

    As I get older, I am amazed about how grown adults buy the kayfabe nonsense that comes out of Hollywood about celebrities personal stories. I mean, I assume low-IQ types can be fooled, but I've met a lot of people of middle and High IQ who buy that NWA were hardcore gangsters, that every dude with a cowboy hat singing with a twang grew up on farms, that some celebrity's hard-luck story is completely true and not designed to boost their image, that some politician's well-worn anecdote is absolutely true.

    I mean, I get it for teens, this is their first time around, they have no experience with it. But after that, you've seen this sort of PR nonsense enough, you should be smelling b.s.

    I can't tell you how many grown, intelligent SWPL adults who are into rap are shocked when I laugh at the idea of NWA being tough guys and inform them they were middle class music geeks/losers without any criminal proclivities, except Easy E, who was a minor high school drug dealing loser. The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    A lot of people don't like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people's minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    Billie Eilish, in a case of youth Tourette’s, got in a kerfuffle about rappers being fabulists earlier this year.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    The music industry seems to get a degree angrier when their spell is broken versus movie studios (who also get angry, don't get me wrong). Perhaps authenticity in a recording artists is really make or break more so than actors. Hence this backlash against Ellish.

    The Rolling Stones in pop music really pushed their false image to sell records. Mick Jagger is a nerdy LSE graduate who understands marketing better than most of us on this planet, and has put on a show being a tough-guy rock star since, to sellout bonanzas.

    Later musicians followed suit, until you couldn't just put out a record with good tunes, you had to have an image that fit it and seemed to live that image in every way shape and form.

    I've written this before, but NWA and gangsta rap was a step forward in this area, where the music companies sought to control all of rap by demanding "street cred", which only other record-company artists could give.
    , @AnotherGuessModel
    The only authentic gangsta rappers are either dead or in prison following a short-lived career, but many of the the fabulists seem to eventually get caught up in the gangster lifestyle too. Tupac Shakur was a bookish, soft-spoken musical theater kid in high school, so gentle you could even describe him as effeminate.
  33. @Anonymous

    Critics rightfully pointed out that Cletus vs DeShawn would have been a better comparison.
     
    Excellent way to try to get the idiots to understand that the issue in America isn’t race.

    It’s culture.

    Unfortunately blacks and whites alike have collectively romanticized the moral and ethical sensibilities of a 1861 runaway field negro. It reflects a secret cynicism of what black people are capable of, and it’s sad, and self-defeating.

    "Jabari" the ignorant, angry field negro isn’t much different from some degenerate White hillbilly from West Virginia, or some cross-eyed, inbred two-bit Oakie. Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas. Let’s just refer to them all as "Cletus." There’s a lot of them, still. Black folks don’t have the market cornered on ignorant, ornery shitheads, but it would be nice if they would stop propping up that mentality as anything more than supremely self-indulgent and pathetic.

    Ain’t no honor in being a dumb n-word. For those of you who have tried to bring respect to gangster life, how's that been working out for you?

    some degenerate White hillbilly from West Virginia, or some cross-eyed, inbred two-bit Oakie. Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas.

    You’ve never been to West Virgina, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.
    You are an idiot.

    • Replies: @anonymous

    You’ve never been to West Virgina, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.
    You are an idiot.
     
    Well, I may be a lot of things, but I'm certainly no ingrate. Thank you for debunking a claim I never made. Being a culturally pure southern californian, I have plenty of experience, and I dareswear a particular sensitivity to the Arkie, and especially Oakie, since many a dustbowl wretch have tie their dying mother down to the hood of their decrepit, stolen Packard, and crawled their way to California to try to learn how to pick fruit.

    While admittedly, too many of them made it over the Sierra Madres in their broken down jalopies, too few of them made it over the far more treacherous embankments of the left side of the Bell Curve, inevitably tumbling back to the death valley of their own dustbowl dumbassery.

    I mean seriously, why would anyone choose to live in Oklahoma who understood the concept of pain like a functioning human? The state is basically Bakersfield, with tornadoes. Who in their right mind would choose to live in that hellpit, unless they couldn't function on, or conceive of, anywhere else on the planet?

    During the indian wars, Oklahoma basically became a balkanized state. It's America's Macedonia. The place where refugee's on the run deposited their human scum. A dumpsite for those looking to forget their mistakes, and move on. The pile of festering human waste got so big, they just called it, "Oklahoma."

    Hope this helps.

  34. OT but just because I like it :

    • Replies: @donut
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSqBppbEXUQ
    , @Jack D
    When Ahab points to the spot where he will be waiting for Moby Dick, he points to Bikini Atoll. This is an anachronism. In those days it would have been known as Eschscholtz Atoll on Western maps and was only given its current name in 1946 after the Americans took it over.

    It is accurate thought that American whaling ships visited the Marshall Islands during the period when Moby Dick is set (1840s). It's really crazy that during a period when most people never traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace in their entire life, American whalers were scouring every corner of the globe for lamp oil (while meanwhile there was an incredible quantity of petroleum oil right under their feet).
  35. I think Rap music is the problem. It extolls the worst of the black underclass. I doubt the Civil Rights movement would have gotten anywhere if instead of Motown, etc whites were hearing obscene and violent criminal doggerel as the authentic voice of black people in 1965. Instead they heard the Supremes warbling about the danger of teen pregnancy in “Love Child” and Stevie Wonder fondly recalling his Little Rock sweetheart in ” I Was Made To Love Her”. It was acceptable black bubble gum soul music.

    We forget the power of teen music on teen behavior. White rock morphed from the bright and rambunctious Beatles and Beach Boys to the dark and druggy Doors and acid rock in the late sixties and it begat the Manson Family and other serial killers.

    Rap has done much the same to blacks. It is the savage beat of the black criminal and it has dragged young blacks down to the lowest common denominator of the ex con. Don’t have to master a musical instrument, dress sharp and work out some synchronized dance routines. Just look like a thug and shout vulgarity at the audience.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    Hey don't blame the Doors for Charlie Manson. He was a much bigger Beatles and Beach Boys fan.
    , @Stan
    Why don't you denounce the buyers of rap music? The majority of rap listeners are white.
    , @Mr McKenna

    White rock morphed from the bright and rambunctious Beatles and Beach Boys to the dark and druggy
     
    ...to the dark and druggy Beatles and Beach Boys...
    , @RichardTaylor

    Rap has done much the same to blacks. It is the savage beat of the black criminal and it has dragged young blacks down to the lowest common denominator of the ex con.
     
    Maybe, but it's not like Black criminality wasn't a problem long ago. While there is something to what you say, it's the same issue all over the Black world: they tend to come under the control of their worst element.

    And while White and Asian countries have also had their problem leaders, there were still many wise, intelligent people at the top. Not so much with Sub-Saharan Black areas.

    If you've been around large Black populations you see the dynamic at work. The most violent sociopaths tend to take over. Which is why they do better under someone else's rule (say White or Arab).

    I just wouldn't go too far in thinking culture makes Blacks behave the way they do. And actually, haven't Black crime rates come down since rap music started?

  36. @R.G. Camara
    Related:

    As I get older, I am amazed about how grown adults buy the kayfabe nonsense that comes out of Hollywood about celebrities personal stories. I mean, I assume low-IQ types can be fooled, but I've met a lot of people of middle and High IQ who buy that NWA were hardcore gangsters, that every dude with a cowboy hat singing with a twang grew up on farms, that some celebrity's hard-luck story is completely true and not designed to boost their image, that some politician's well-worn anecdote is absolutely true.

    I mean, I get it for teens, this is their first time around, they have no experience with it. But after that, you've seen this sort of PR nonsense enough, you should be smelling b.s.

    I can't tell you how many grown, intelligent SWPL adults who are into rap are shocked when I laugh at the idea of NWA being tough guys and inform them they were middle class music geeks/losers without any criminal proclivities, except Easy E, who was a minor high school drug dealing loser. The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    A lot of people don't like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people's minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    IIRC, Ice Cube went to Encino H.S. Not exactly the mean streets of the ‘hood. He and Ice T (who is one of the whitest black guys ever), have also been making bank playing TV cops for years. A long way from “f*ck the police” and Straight Outta Compton.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Before his career in music, Ice Cube studied drafting and hoped to become an architect. There was a TV ad on LA Public TV a few years ago, which Ice Cube did, celebrating the husband and wife architectural team the Eames. They were popular in LA around mid. 20th century, and helped design several main buildings.

    I like the last line of the ad. "Why do so many people have such a problem with LA? Maybe that's because, they don't live here."

    I like to think that Steve's critique of NY born and bred David Brooks is in the same vein.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx3DnzwRrm4
  37. If local control and smallish towns are the (new) magic formula, then Maywood should be doing great.

    • Replies: @petit bourgeois
    Cudahy is a close second for bribery and corruption.
    , @anon
    Ice Cube plays "Craig Jones" in the Friday franchise. "While developing the film, Ice Cube and DJ Pooh expressed discontent regarding the portrayal of the hood in film, which they came to see as too violent and menacing." Gangsta!
  38. @Hypnotoad666
    IIRC, Ice Cube went to Encino H.S. Not exactly the mean streets of the 'hood. He and Ice T (who is one of the whitest black guys ever), have also been making bank playing TV cops for years. A long way from "f*ck the police" and Straight Outta Compton.

    Before his career in music, Ice Cube studied drafting and hoped to become an architect. There was a TV ad on LA Public TV a few years ago, which Ice Cube did, celebrating the husband and wife architectural team the Eames. They were popular in LA around mid. 20th century, and helped design several main buildings.

    I like the last line of the ad. “Why do so many people have such a problem with LA? Maybe that’s because, they don’t live here.”

    I like to think that Steve’s critique of NY born and bred David Brooks is in the same vein.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri

    "NY born and bred David Brooks"
     
    Brooks was born in Toronto. At 12 he moved with his family to the Philadelphia Main Line. After high school he moved to Chicago.

    He's about as Noo Yawk as Ice Whatever is Gangsta.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brooks_(commentator)#Early_life_and_education
  39. @Curle
    I agree, but I love the real life stories:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stephen_Morrison

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Roth

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuda_Zenjir%C5%8D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_L._Simon

    Son of Captain and Tennille:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0HI_ZTUSu4

    For the next time you start thinking they came up by their bootstraps.

    The best thing about the Surf Punks was that their songs were mercifully brief.

  40. @donut
    OT but just because I like it :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph_jg9C8WU0

    • Replies: @donut
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDjwUzUnNpU . In Memoriam
    John P. Davis . Lost at sea Dec. 9th 1992 from the Exxon New Orleans off the coast of Alaska .
  41. @unit472
    I think Rap music is the problem. It extolls the worst of the black underclass. I doubt the Civil Rights movement would have gotten anywhere if instead of Motown, etc whites were hearing obscene and violent criminal doggerel as the authentic voice of black people in 1965. Instead they heard the Supremes warbling about the danger of teen pregnancy in "Love Child" and Stevie Wonder fondly recalling his Little Rock sweetheart in " I Was Made To Love Her". It was acceptable black bubble gum soul music.

    We forget the power of teen music on teen behavior. White rock morphed from the bright and rambunctious Beatles and Beach Boys to the dark and druggy Doors and acid rock in the late sixties and it begat the Manson Family and other serial killers.

    Rap has done much the same to blacks. It is the savage beat of the black criminal and it has dragged young blacks down to the lowest common denominator of the ex con. Don't have to master a musical instrument, dress sharp and work out some synchronized dance routines. Just look like a thug and shout vulgarity at the audience.

    Hey don’t blame the Doors for Charlie Manson. He was a much bigger Beatles and Beach Boys fan.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    Yeah, unit472 has got it wrong there. And the Doors were a bigger influence on Francis Ford Coppola and Oliver Stone than they were on Manson.

    I think he's right about (c)rap though. Back in the 60s and 70s, and even into the 80s, there was some overlap in black and white musical tastes. Not much anymore.

  42. @Dave Pinsen
    Billie Eilish, in a case of youth Tourette's, got in a kerfuffle about rappers being fabulists earlier this year.

    https://twitter.com/Genius/status/1224736656714014723?s=20

    The music industry seems to get a degree angrier when their spell is broken versus movie studios (who also get angry, don’t get me wrong). Perhaps authenticity in a recording artists is really make or break more so than actors. Hence this backlash against Ellish.

    The Rolling Stones in pop music really pushed their false image to sell records. Mick Jagger is a nerdy LSE graduate who understands marketing better than most of us on this planet, and has put on a show being a tough-guy rock star since, to sellout bonanzas.

    Later musicians followed suit, until you couldn’t just put out a record with good tunes, you had to have an image that fit it and seemed to live that image in every way shape and form.

    I’ve written this before, but NWA and gangsta rap was a step forward in this area, where the music companies sought to control all of rap by demanding “street cred”, which only other record-company artists could give.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Rap in particular depends heavily on image and reputation. The "Showtime at The Apollo" talent show used to air in New York after Saturday Night Live, and back in the '90s I'd sometimes watch it when I lacked the initiative to change the channel. If an amateur act was booed loudly enough, a character called the Sandman would shoe him off the stage with a broom. I think every rap act got swept off by the Sandman. The Harlem audience wasn't interested in seeing some broke, non-famous black guy rap.
    , @Clyde
    Mick is an LSE dropout who got notoriously ripped off by Allen Klein. Klein is gone but his company and family still own the Stones pre 1968 catalog. Mick wised up after this but the riches didn't flow until the Stones were fortunate enough to hire Prince Loewenstein to get their finances in order.

    Loewenstein was the Rolling Stones' business adviser and financial manager from 1968 until 2007.[2] In 1968, then working in London as a merchant banker, he was introduced to Mick Jagger by a mutual friend, art dealer Christopher Gibbs. According to Keith Richards, Loewenstein had never heard of Jagger before then.[11] Jagger was of the opinion that the Stones' then manager, Allen Klein, was not paying them everything they were due.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Rupert_Loewenstein
     
    , @Anonymous
    Say what you will of Jagger, his command of a rock and roll stage and ability to work a crowd are unparalleled. He’s the canonical rock and roll front man and The Rolling Stones are the most successful rock band in history.

    I’ve only seen them once but I’ve never seen that large an audience immediately on their feet as when the curtain opened on them. The reaction was.....I have never seen anything else like it. Nothing.

    I saw Frank Zappa four times with bands playing stuff no one else could have. I saw Van Halen with DLR in their early days. I saw Mose Allison and Dick Dale do some impressive stuff, albeit in small clubs. I saw the then unknown Mark 1 Pretenders utterly upstage The Who, at the old Arena where the St.Louis Blues played. But nothing like the Stones’ impact.

    All I can compare it to are the scenes in “Triumph of the Will”. I really do consider it a great loss to history that Riefenstahl did not get to film a Stones concert.
  43. Tew treatment for men with Corona: going trans.

    [nytimes]
    Can Estrogen and Other Sex Hormones Help Men Survive Covid-19?

    By Roni Caryn Rabin

  44. @unit472
    I think Rap music is the problem. It extolls the worst of the black underclass. I doubt the Civil Rights movement would have gotten anywhere if instead of Motown, etc whites were hearing obscene and violent criminal doggerel as the authentic voice of black people in 1965. Instead they heard the Supremes warbling about the danger of teen pregnancy in "Love Child" and Stevie Wonder fondly recalling his Little Rock sweetheart in " I Was Made To Love Her". It was acceptable black bubble gum soul music.

    We forget the power of teen music on teen behavior. White rock morphed from the bright and rambunctious Beatles and Beach Boys to the dark and druggy Doors and acid rock in the late sixties and it begat the Manson Family and other serial killers.

    Rap has done much the same to blacks. It is the savage beat of the black criminal and it has dragged young blacks down to the lowest common denominator of the ex con. Don't have to master a musical instrument, dress sharp and work out some synchronized dance routines. Just look like a thug and shout vulgarity at the audience.

    Why don’t you denounce the buyers of rap music? The majority of rap listeners are white.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  45. @Mr McKenna

    I’ve been thinking for awhile that a new booming career will be as a consultant who walks into a workplace and makes recommendations on how to make it Covid safe. I haven’t heard of anyone doing this.
     
    Just get Zelda May Rubinstein.

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/poltergeist-1982-warner-bros-1523395133.jpg

    Wiki calls her "American actress and human rights activist."

    And no, she's not dead. She's just resting.

    Extra points for Monty Python quote.

  46. @Mr McKenna

    The denial from them is palatable and venomous.
     
    Boy is that the truth. Part of the way in which the MSM washes the brains of the masses is to enlist them in the cultural war against reprobates. Anyone who dares to question the Goodness of Media Figures (and of course their Narrative) est delenda.

    A lot of people don’t like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people’s minds. Whatever happened to question everything?
     
    Question Everything made sense fifty or sixty years ago, before they took hold of the reins of power. Now if you Question Anything you're a Nazi.

    Now here's 'David Brooks'--

    Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.
     

    Brooks, as is customary for his ilk, has no self-awareness whatever. Here he is saying, sure go ahead and focus on "us" --see how far you get with that, chump! But if you want to do good, focus on those middle-class white people who are the real problem.

    ETA: H/T to Dennis Dale upthread!

    “ it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust“

    What was really unjust was the 5 year age gap between David Brooks and Mrs. Brooks #1.

    The 23 year age gap between him and Mrs. Brooks #2 is glaringly just.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • LOL: Redneck farmer, bomag
  47. OT:

    1987 news coverage of Joe Biden’s plagiarism scandal:

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Can't watch a 30-min video just now but by chance this other thing caught my eye today:

    New Sources Corroborate Timeline of Sexual Assault Accusation Against Biden

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/theres-new-corroborative-evidence-for-tara-reades-story.html
     

    If even NY Mag is lending credence to this, all we need is one more credible woman to step up. And given how many times Biden's been caught being majorly creepy on camera you know there are a lot more women out there.

    Even from my safe and secure remove I can sense the blood-pressure readings of the 'Prestige Media' increasing. Which (as we all know) is a risk factor for Covid stuff.

    So my fingers are crossed that covid stuff gets edged off-screen by something salacious. I'm just naughty like that. Naughty By Nature, which means I've just sewn up all the threads in this bee-yotch tonight.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    1987 news coverage of Joe Biden’s plagiarism scandal:

     

    "Who made me the genius I am today?"

    Clinton had Quigley; Biden, this guy:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXlfXirQF3A
  48. Like David Brooks really drove around Watts and Compton, asking, “hello fellow negroes and hispanics, jewish guy here, and famous reporter, you see. Just curious about what’s driving all the inequality that my Indian friend Raj Chetty… no not native American Indian, you silly neg…”

    For that matter, Steve…, “My guess is that the neighborhood in Compton where black kids do pretty well in life is the one where Compton’s cops, firemen, and politicians live.” ‘Guess?’ Take a drive down there, you’re fairly close proximity, and spend the day, or night! Go to the parks. See the wildlife. We’ll anxiously await your next report.

    Also, “Compton’s original housing stock was pretty nice.” Therefore, I guess a higher standard of living and lower crime? So what you’re saying is that if white people build really nice, upscale communities and die/leave/ get genocided, then the coming demographic will be well positioned to avoid 50% incarceration. Wooohoooo! Wakanda ya’ll.

    C’mon bruh.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    I drove to Compton about 10 years ago and ate dinner there. It looked okay.

    I saw Compton Centennial's football team, with Richard Sherman, play in 2005.

  49. Compton disbanded their police department 20 years ago because of corruption, only to contract with the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department, who are merely a street gang / criminal enterprise (think mafiosi with guns, badges and a monopoly on violence). They don’t have belt audio recorders or body worn cameras, because why create evidence of a crime during citizen contacts? Their federal section 1983 docket in the Central District would be overwhelming if they were responsible.

    Leroy Baca and Paul Tanaka are in prison for a reason.

  50. @Dennis Dale

    Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.
     
    The oblivious dope is giving away the game here. "It isn't the obscene concentration of money and power in the hands of the genuinely privileged and powerful, it's the white racism keeping black genius down!"

    The "Narrative" in a nutshell.

    Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.

    Says the guy who plunked down $2 million on a new home for him and his secretary.

    Yeah, whatever you do, definitely don’t look at the top 1 percent.

    Especially when Annie is home alone while David is doing field research in Compton.

  51. @International Jew
    If local control and smallish towns are the (new) magic formula, then Maywood should be doing great.

    Cudahy is a close second for bribery and corruption.

  52. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Before his career in music, Ice Cube studied drafting and hoped to become an architect. There was a TV ad on LA Public TV a few years ago, which Ice Cube did, celebrating the husband and wife architectural team the Eames. They were popular in LA around mid. 20th century, and helped design several main buildings.

    I like the last line of the ad. "Why do so many people have such a problem with LA? Maybe that's because, they don't live here."

    I like to think that Steve's critique of NY born and bred David Brooks is in the same vein.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx3DnzwRrm4

    “NY born and bred David Brooks”

    Brooks was born in Toronto. At 12 he moved with his family to the Philadelphia Main Line. After high school he moved to Chicago.

    He’s about as Noo Yawk as Ice Whatever is Gangsta.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brooks_(commentator)#Early_life_and_education

    • Thanks: bomag
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Is someone going to finally talk about the Canadian Pogroms? Brooks and Frum won't.
  53. @R.G. Camara
    The music industry seems to get a degree angrier when their spell is broken versus movie studios (who also get angry, don't get me wrong). Perhaps authenticity in a recording artists is really make or break more so than actors. Hence this backlash against Ellish.

    The Rolling Stones in pop music really pushed their false image to sell records. Mick Jagger is a nerdy LSE graduate who understands marketing better than most of us on this planet, and has put on a show being a tough-guy rock star since, to sellout bonanzas.

    Later musicians followed suit, until you couldn't just put out a record with good tunes, you had to have an image that fit it and seemed to live that image in every way shape and form.

    I've written this before, but NWA and gangsta rap was a step forward in this area, where the music companies sought to control all of rap by demanding "street cred", which only other record-company artists could give.

    Rap in particular depends heavily on image and reputation. The “Showtime at The Apollo” talent show used to air in New York after Saturday Night Live, and back in the ’90s I’d sometimes watch it when I lacked the initiative to change the channel. If an amateur act was booed loudly enough, a character called the Sandman would shoe him off the stage with a broom. I think every rap act got swept off by the Sandman. The Harlem audience wasn’t interested in seeing some broke, non-famous black guy rap.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @petit bourgeois
    The Sandman at the Appolo Theatre also uses a large hook to clean the stage. It's quite Vaudevillean.
    , @R.G. Camara
    Agreed. One brilliant maneuver by the record companies was turning rap into a entirely-record-company controlled genre, much like teenybop boy bands.

    Up until NWA, rap was proceeding like rock and country and alternative, where touring and live performances got you a name first , and it would've become something where group/individual could survive as tour monkeys with almost no record company assistance/albums---granted, its harder but it really can be done.

    But with NWA, the record companies asserted that without a label giving you credibility and airplay, no one would come and no one in the music industry or public would take you seriously. How many rappers of the last 20-30 years made songs about "getting a label" and "getting on wax"? It's a real concern, more so than any adult-oriented form of pop music. Hence also why so many rappers try to "start their own label"---because its an attempt to escape the bigger record company's control while still playing the game they set up.

    It's difficult to imagine gangsta rap and NYSYNC being in the same boat, but both are record-company controlled genres from start to finish.

  54. @unit472
    I think Rap music is the problem. It extolls the worst of the black underclass. I doubt the Civil Rights movement would have gotten anywhere if instead of Motown, etc whites were hearing obscene and violent criminal doggerel as the authentic voice of black people in 1965. Instead they heard the Supremes warbling about the danger of teen pregnancy in "Love Child" and Stevie Wonder fondly recalling his Little Rock sweetheart in " I Was Made To Love Her". It was acceptable black bubble gum soul music.

    We forget the power of teen music on teen behavior. White rock morphed from the bright and rambunctious Beatles and Beach Boys to the dark and druggy Doors and acid rock in the late sixties and it begat the Manson Family and other serial killers.

    Rap has done much the same to blacks. It is the savage beat of the black criminal and it has dragged young blacks down to the lowest common denominator of the ex con. Don't have to master a musical instrument, dress sharp and work out some synchronized dance routines. Just look like a thug and shout vulgarity at the audience.

    White rock morphed from the bright and rambunctious Beatles and Beach Boys to the dark and druggy

    …to the dark and druggy Beatles and Beach Boys…

  55. @donut
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSqBppbEXUQ

    . In Memoriam
    John P. Davis . Lost at sea Dec. 9th 1992 from the Exxon New Orleans off the coast of Alaska .

    • Replies: @donut
    A correction : lost at sea Dec. 9th 1991 .
  56. @Stan Adams
    OT:

    1987 news coverage of Joe Biden's plagiarism scandal:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG-cpE1PV9o

    Can’t watch a 30-min video just now but by chance this other thing caught my eye today:

    New Sources Corroborate Timeline of Sexual Assault Accusation Against Biden

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/theres-new-corroborative-evidence-for-tara-reades-story.html

    If even NY Mag is lending credence to this, all we need is one more credible woman to step up. And given how many times Biden’s been caught being majorly creepy on camera you know there are a lot more women out there.

    Even from my safe and secure remove I can sense the blood-pressure readings of the ‘Prestige Media’ increasing. Which (as we all know) is a risk factor for Covid stuff.

    So my fingers are crossed that covid stuff gets edged off-screen by something salacious. I’m just naughty like that. Naughty By Nature, which means I’ve just sewn up all the threads in this bee-yotch tonight.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Actually, all this stuff has the fingerprints of Hillary on it. Trump too, but I'd say a good portion is Hillary.

    She's trying to make sure, with the 1-2-3 punch of dementia, rape, and lackluster appeal to the general public that Biden gets kicked off the ticket at the convention. She is the one pushing this Reade stuff and dementia proof, to try to make Joe so weak that, by the convention, she can broker a deal and take the nomination from him.

    Not that its wrong, mind you. Joe is mentally incompetent for the job. But Trump would rather have this punching bag around for a while, while all this sudden interest in Reade and Joe's dementia would knock him out earlier---so I say Hillary is doing a lot of this skulduggery.
  57. @Dave Pinsen
    Rap in particular depends heavily on image and reputation. The "Showtime at The Apollo" talent show used to air in New York after Saturday Night Live, and back in the '90s I'd sometimes watch it when I lacked the initiative to change the channel. If an amateur act was booed loudly enough, a character called the Sandman would shoe him off the stage with a broom. I think every rap act got swept off by the Sandman. The Harlem audience wasn't interested in seeing some broke, non-famous black guy rap.

    The Sandman at the Appolo Theatre also uses a large hook to clean the stage. It’s quite Vaudevillean.

  58. Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.

    Yeah, feel free to go after people like Paul Singer and Bill Ackman and Tom Steyer.

    But don’t really go after them – look over here at Compton and Watts.

  59. @Bachus
    Like David Brooks really drove around Watts and Compton, asking, "hello fellow negroes and hispanics, jewish guy here, and famous reporter, you see. Just curious about what's driving all the inequality that my Indian friend Raj Chetty... no not native American Indian, you silly neg..."

    For that matter, Steve..., "My guess is that the neighborhood in Compton where black kids do pretty well in life is the one where Compton’s cops, firemen, and politicians live." 'Guess?' Take a drive down there, you're fairly close proximity, and spend the day, or night! Go to the parks. See the wildlife. We'll anxiously await your next report.

    Also, "Compton’s original housing stock was pretty nice." Therefore, I guess a higher standard of living and lower crime? So what you're saying is that if white people build really nice, upscale communities and die/leave/ get genocided, then the coming demographic will be well positioned to avoid 50% incarceration. Wooohoooo! Wakanda ya'll.

    C'mon bruh.

    I drove to Compton about 10 years ago and ate dinner there. It looked okay.

    I saw Compton Centennial’s football team, with Richard Sherman, play in 2005.

    • Replies: @petit bourgeois
    If you are going to eat dinner in Compton, be sure to sample the excellent Texas style barbecue, like Scroggins.

    Scroggins Smokehouse BBQ

    https://yelp.to/qTKq/deSIlWUY25
    , @Foreign Expert
    I grew up in Boston but back in the 1970s I had an uncle who worked in LA traffic engineering. This was a few years after the famous riots. One day he had to check on the timing of lights at an intersection in Watts. I went with him..

    I was shocked ( Shocked I tell you) at how nice it was. 99.999% of the people on earth lived worse than that.

  60. @Anon

    I interviewed for a city job once in Compton. The panel I interviewed with was all black and I wasn’t.
     
    Luke Rosiak at the Washington Times wrote a 3-part series, with some followups, on the Washington Metro system, which illustrates the reverse affirmative action of gubmit jobs. At Metro 97 percent of bus and train drivers are black. If you are Hispanic, forget about it. White? Ha-ha-ha.

    2012-03-26 Metro derailed by culture of complacence, incompetence, lack of diversity
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/26/metro-derailed-by-culture-of-complacence-incompete/

    2012-03-28 Even with big salaries, Metro can't fill its jobs
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/27/even-with-big-salaries-metro-cant-fill-its-jobs/

    2012-04-02 Metro transit police: Not quite the region's finest
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-police-not-quite-dcs-finest/

    2012-04-02 Metro gag order at odds with law
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-gag-order-at-odds-with-law/

    2012-05-03 Metro closes ranks against outside 'attacks'
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/3/metro-closes-ranks-against-outside-attacks/

    2011-12-28 Report finds Metro hiring process skirted
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/28/report-finds-metro-hiring-process-skirted/

    2012-07-26 Metro reimbursed questionable college courses for half-million dollars
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/26/college-takes-some-metro-workers-for-off-the-rails/

    Remember the white-adjacent woman who tweeted a photo of a Metro worker eating on the train, against the rules? The Metro Police Chief immediately and retroactively changed the rules, legalizing eating as well as fare evasion and spitting on trains.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/05/11/dc-pundit-shamed-metro-worker-eating-train-now-her-book-deal-is-jeopardy/

    One thing that’s allowed blacks to hold on to some degree of political power and patronage jobs in cities like Compton is that California hasn’t openly allowed non-citizens to vote in all local elections yet. I assume that step, when it comes, will probably be when the last vestiges of crooked black political machines getting replaced by crooked Hispanic political machines (as already exist in a number of local cities, like Bell, Cudahy, Lynwood, Maywood, and so forth).

  61. @Anon

    I interviewed for a city job once in Compton. The panel I interviewed with was all black and I wasn’t.
     
    Luke Rosiak at the Washington Times wrote a 3-part series, with some followups, on the Washington Metro system, which illustrates the reverse affirmative action of gubmit jobs. At Metro 97 percent of bus and train drivers are black. If you are Hispanic, forget about it. White? Ha-ha-ha.

    2012-03-26 Metro derailed by culture of complacence, incompetence, lack of diversity
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/26/metro-derailed-by-culture-of-complacence-incompete/

    2012-03-28 Even with big salaries, Metro can't fill its jobs
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/27/even-with-big-salaries-metro-cant-fill-its-jobs/

    2012-04-02 Metro transit police: Not quite the region's finest
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-police-not-quite-dcs-finest/

    2012-04-02 Metro gag order at odds with law
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-gag-order-at-odds-with-law/

    2012-05-03 Metro closes ranks against outside 'attacks'
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/3/metro-closes-ranks-against-outside-attacks/

    2011-12-28 Report finds Metro hiring process skirted
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/28/report-finds-metro-hiring-process-skirted/

    2012-07-26 Metro reimbursed questionable college courses for half-million dollars
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/26/college-takes-some-metro-workers-for-off-the-rails/

    Remember the white-adjacent woman who tweeted a photo of a Metro worker eating on the train, against the rules? The Metro Police Chief immediately and retroactively changed the rules, legalizing eating as well as fare evasion and spitting on trains.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/05/11/dc-pundit-shamed-metro-worker-eating-train-now-her-book-deal-is-jeopardy/

    One thing that’s allowed blacks to hold on to some degree of political power and patronage jobs in cities like Compton is that California hasn’t openly allowed non-citizens to vote in all local elections yet. I assume that step, when it comes, will probably be when the last vestiges of crooked black political machines finally get replaced by crooked Hispanic political machines (as already exist in a number of local cities, like Bell, Cudahy, Lynwood and Maywood).

  62. Anonymous[231] • Disclaimer says:

    All ‘Compton’ suggests to me is the late, great celebrated English comedian Colin Crompton, perhaps best known for his role as ‘Chairman’ in that very excellent Granada TV series “The Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club”, armed with an oversized tweedy flatcap and a hand rung old fashioned rotary fire-bell, whilst trading acerbic comments with equally great and much lamented Bernard Manning.

    Famously, Colin Crompton received a ‘life time ban’ from the Lancastrian English seaside resort town of Morecambe for publicly referring to Morecambe as a ‘Graveyard with Lights’.

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
    Don’t forget John Crompton, author of the wonderful The Hunting Wasp and other excellent and readable books about invertebrates.
  63. @unit472
    I think Rap music is the problem. It extolls the worst of the black underclass. I doubt the Civil Rights movement would have gotten anywhere if instead of Motown, etc whites were hearing obscene and violent criminal doggerel as the authentic voice of black people in 1965. Instead they heard the Supremes warbling about the danger of teen pregnancy in "Love Child" and Stevie Wonder fondly recalling his Little Rock sweetheart in " I Was Made To Love Her". It was acceptable black bubble gum soul music.

    We forget the power of teen music on teen behavior. White rock morphed from the bright and rambunctious Beatles and Beach Boys to the dark and druggy Doors and acid rock in the late sixties and it begat the Manson Family and other serial killers.

    Rap has done much the same to blacks. It is the savage beat of the black criminal and it has dragged young blacks down to the lowest common denominator of the ex con. Don't have to master a musical instrument, dress sharp and work out some synchronized dance routines. Just look like a thug and shout vulgarity at the audience.

    Rap has done much the same to blacks. It is the savage beat of the black criminal and it has dragged young blacks down to the lowest common denominator of the ex con.

    Maybe, but it’s not like Black criminality wasn’t a problem long ago. While there is something to what you say, it’s the same issue all over the Black world: they tend to come under the control of their worst element.

    And while White and Asian countries have also had their problem leaders, there were still many wise, intelligent people at the top. Not so much with Sub-Saharan Black areas.

    If you’ve been around large Black populations you see the dynamic at work. The most violent sociopaths tend to take over. Which is why they do better under someone else’s rule (say White or Arab).

    I just wouldn’t go too far in thinking culture makes Blacks behave the way they do. And actually, haven’t Black crime rates come down since rap music started?

    • Agree: Kylie
  64. @duncsbaby
    Hey don't blame the Doors for Charlie Manson. He was a much bigger Beatles and Beach Boys fan.

    Yeah, unit472 has got it wrong there. And the Doors were a bigger influence on Francis Ford Coppola and Oliver Stone than they were on Manson.

    I think he’s right about (c)rap though. Back in the 60s and 70s, and even into the 80s, there was some overlap in black and white musical tastes. Not much anymore.

  65. @Anon
    The best Compton song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeL9gagV_VA

    Brilliant fo sho .

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Nice sweater, Billy.
  66. @Steve Sailer
    I drove to Compton about 10 years ago and ate dinner there. It looked okay.

    I saw Compton Centennial's football team, with Richard Sherman, play in 2005.

    If you are going to eat dinner in Compton, be sure to sample the excellent Texas style barbecue, like Scroggins.

    Scroggins Smokehouse BBQ

    https://yelp.to/qTKq/deSIlWUY25

  67. @Dave Pinsen
    Rap in particular depends heavily on image and reputation. The "Showtime at The Apollo" talent show used to air in New York after Saturday Night Live, and back in the '90s I'd sometimes watch it when I lacked the initiative to change the channel. If an amateur act was booed loudly enough, a character called the Sandman would shoe him off the stage with a broom. I think every rap act got swept off by the Sandman. The Harlem audience wasn't interested in seeing some broke, non-famous black guy rap.

    Agreed. One brilliant maneuver by the record companies was turning rap into a entirely-record-company controlled genre, much like teenybop boy bands.

    Up until NWA, rap was proceeding like rock and country and alternative, where touring and live performances got you a name first , and it would’ve become something where group/individual could survive as tour monkeys with almost no record company assistance/albums—granted, its harder but it really can be done.

    But with NWA, the record companies asserted that without a label giving you credibility and airplay, no one would come and no one in the music industry or public would take you seriously. How many rappers of the last 20-30 years made songs about “getting a label” and “getting on wax”? It’s a real concern, more so than any adult-oriented form of pop music. Hence also why so many rappers try to “start their own label”—because its an attempt to escape the bigger record company’s control while still playing the game they set up.

    It’s difficult to imagine gangsta rap and NYSYNC being in the same boat, but both are record-company controlled genres from start to finish.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Rap 'music'?

    I would rather endure the flatulence of 1000 thousand cabbage fed warthogs. Or even worse the collected speeches of Tony Blair.
    Talking of warthog flatulence not only is the 'content' a damn sight better than 'rap' but so is the musicality, I mean it even has advanced to the level of changes in pitch and meter, the stacatto to the harmonic. Something that 'rap' either cannot or will not advance to.
  68. On the last bit of this entry: NBA star Kawhi Leonard is from Moreno Valley and played HS basketball there and in Riverside before playing college basketball at San Diego state. His dad owned a car wash in Compton though and was murdered there, assailant still not found, in 2008.

  69. While you’re at it, why not explore the Brooks-Chetty Mediocrity of Public Intellectuals syndrome? Were past PIs this lame or is the internet dragging us to a civilizational low?

  70. @Anon

    I interviewed for a city job once in Compton. The panel I interviewed with was all black and I wasn’t.
     
    Luke Rosiak at the Washington Times wrote a 3-part series, with some followups, on the Washington Metro system, which illustrates the reverse affirmative action of gubmit jobs. At Metro 97 percent of bus and train drivers are black. If you are Hispanic, forget about it. White? Ha-ha-ha.

    2012-03-26 Metro derailed by culture of complacence, incompetence, lack of diversity
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/26/metro-derailed-by-culture-of-complacence-incompete/

    2012-03-28 Even with big salaries, Metro can't fill its jobs
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/27/even-with-big-salaries-metro-cant-fill-its-jobs/

    2012-04-02 Metro transit police: Not quite the region's finest
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-police-not-quite-dcs-finest/

    2012-04-02 Metro gag order at odds with law
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-gag-order-at-odds-with-law/

    2012-05-03 Metro closes ranks against outside 'attacks'
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/3/metro-closes-ranks-against-outside-attacks/

    2011-12-28 Report finds Metro hiring process skirted
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/28/report-finds-metro-hiring-process-skirted/

    2012-07-26 Metro reimbursed questionable college courses for half-million dollars
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/26/college-takes-some-metro-workers-for-off-the-rails/

    Remember the white-adjacent woman who tweeted a photo of a Metro worker eating on the train, against the rules? The Metro Police Chief immediately and retroactively changed the rules, legalizing eating as well as fare evasion and spitting on trains.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/05/11/dc-pundit-shamed-metro-worker-eating-train-now-her-book-deal-is-jeopardy/

    I commute to work on the DC Metro subway. About two years DC Metro had an advertising campaign pitched at being courteous to Metro employees. The ads featured photos of actual Metro employees. Metro went way out of its way to find and feature the few Whites and Asians among its ranks for the ads. The deception was breathtaking.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    I find that interesting, since likely the guys being all "rude" to employees were fellow Obama voters. Showing them whites and Asians and telling them to be "nice" to them would've had the opposite effect. Better to show them people who look like their own Big Mama.
  71. @Rohirrimborn
    I commute to work on the DC Metro subway. About two years DC Metro had an advertising campaign pitched at being courteous to Metro employees. The ads featured photos of actual Metro employees. Metro went way out of its way to find and feature the few Whites and Asians among its ranks for the ads. The deception was breathtaking.

    I find that interesting, since likely the guys being all “rude” to employees were fellow Obama voters. Showing them whites and Asians and telling them to be “nice” to them would’ve had the opposite effect. Better to show them people who look like their own Big Mama.

  72. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara
    Agreed. One brilliant maneuver by the record companies was turning rap into a entirely-record-company controlled genre, much like teenybop boy bands.

    Up until NWA, rap was proceeding like rock and country and alternative, where touring and live performances got you a name first , and it would've become something where group/individual could survive as tour monkeys with almost no record company assistance/albums---granted, its harder but it really can be done.

    But with NWA, the record companies asserted that without a label giving you credibility and airplay, no one would come and no one in the music industry or public would take you seriously. How many rappers of the last 20-30 years made songs about "getting a label" and "getting on wax"? It's a real concern, more so than any adult-oriented form of pop music. Hence also why so many rappers try to "start their own label"---because its an attempt to escape the bigger record company's control while still playing the game they set up.

    It's difficult to imagine gangsta rap and NYSYNC being in the same boat, but both are record-company controlled genres from start to finish.

    Rap ‘music’?

    I would rather endure the flatulence of 1000 thousand cabbage fed warthogs. Or even worse the collected speeches of Tony Blair.
    Talking of warthog flatulence not only is the ‘content’ a damn sight better than ‘rap’ but so is the musicality, I mean it even has advanced to the level of changes in pitch and meter, the stacatto to the harmonic. Something that ‘rap’ either cannot or will not advance to.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    OK grandpa.

    I don't like rap myself, but its a popular genre amongst the kiddies, and has been for decades. Get over it, its got staying power.
    , @Dennis Dale
    Keep it up, fellow boomer. We're one more geezer shaking his fist and declaring "that's not music!" away from victory.

    In all seriousness, this misses the point. If rap was "good music" and still did what it does--turning women into hoes and boys into bros--then I would still want it to die.

    In fact I do still "like" rap music and see musical value in it. But I'd give it up tomorrow to be rid of its effect.

    People mistake artistic or aesthetic good with moral good. It sucks they aren't the same. But they aren't.

  73. @Dave Pinsen
    Billie Eilish, in a case of youth Tourette's, got in a kerfuffle about rappers being fabulists earlier this year.

    https://twitter.com/Genius/status/1224736656714014723?s=20

    The only authentic gangsta rappers are either dead or in prison following a short-lived career, but many of the the fabulists seem to eventually get caught up in the gangster lifestyle too. Tupac Shakur was a bookish, soft-spoken musical theater kid in high school, so gentle you could even describe him as effeminate.

  74. Compton, home of Douglas Dollarhide, first black mayor of a major California metropolitan area. Great surname considering the position held.

  75. @Almost Missouri

    "NY born and bred David Brooks"
     
    Brooks was born in Toronto. At 12 he moved with his family to the Philadelphia Main Line. After high school he moved to Chicago.

    He's about as Noo Yawk as Ice Whatever is Gangsta.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brooks_(commentator)#Early_life_and_education

    Is someone going to finally talk about the Canadian Pogroms? Brooks and Frum won’t.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    What Canadian pogroms?
  76. I chose to go to Compton and Watts for a specific reason, which offers a way forward to scout properties for my people to purchase before I push Watts/Compton gentrification proposals.

    E8589DA5-CDCA-4BA9-82A0-7646BEAFEAEF

    “Surveillance cameras are installed throughout the exterior of the building. Located in close proximity to shopping and restaurants.”

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10952-Wilmington-Ave-Los-Angeles-CA-90059/123127464_zpid/

    As Ta-Nehisi Coates might write:

    Who the hell does this Latte-sipping, Chardonnay-swilling pompous sissy Brooks character think he is; with his Compton campaign to stamp out heaven’s vibrancy Watts right under his elitist boot. My God, for the love of David…

    • Replies: @Pericles

    10952 Wilmington Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90059 ... Market rents are $2,600 per month per unit, and both units are 3 bedrooms & 2 bathrooms, approximately 1,160 sf each.

     

    Are the poor in AmeriKKKa actually rich as f? Also, $700,000 for living in a prison yard. Something is broken.
  77. @Anonymous

    Critics rightfully pointed out that Cletus vs DeShawn would have been a better comparison.
     
    Excellent way to try to get the idiots to understand that the issue in America isn’t race.

    It’s culture.

    Unfortunately blacks and whites alike have collectively romanticized the moral and ethical sensibilities of a 1861 runaway field negro. It reflects a secret cynicism of what black people are capable of, and it’s sad, and self-defeating.

    "Jabari" the ignorant, angry field negro isn’t much different from some degenerate White hillbilly from West Virginia, or some cross-eyed, inbred two-bit Oakie. Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas. Let’s just refer to them all as "Cletus." There’s a lot of them, still. Black folks don’t have the market cornered on ignorant, ornery shitheads, but it would be nice if they would stop propping up that mentality as anything more than supremely self-indulgent and pathetic.

    Ain’t no honor in being a dumb n-word. For those of you who have tried to bring respect to gangster life, how's that been working out for you?

    Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas.

    This comment has all the noxious stench of the Eternal WASP.

    • Replies: @Jake
    What you call The Eternal WASP will no more change his spots than will the leopard or Numinous Negro. And yes, the Eternal WASP always delights in blaming and bashing what it sees as white trash while also cooing over how wonderful it would be is enough people helped the darling Numinous Negroes.
    , @anonymous

    This comment has all the noxious stench of the Eternal WASP.
     
    Pleased to meet you, mud turtle! Is that smell what I think it is?

    I thought they quit manufacturing "Hai Karate" back in the seventies.

    Ya learn something new every day.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    As an eternal but Catholic WASP, I have to say that I was utterly charmed by what I saw the one time I drove through Arkansas. I loved the many churches of the different Protestant sects, I admired the cleanliness and the real beauty of the hilly country to the north-west of Little Rock (I had driven down from Topeka), and I discovered, to my own surprise and confusion, that I was deeply impressed and moved by what I believe is called "country western". It was immediately clear to me that this was the real folk music of a real, well, Volk, and that an attitude of disdain was morally impossible for a champion of white civilisation. Besides, much it was very good.

    It's not all Bach or Wagner - however quickly I returned to both.
  78. “…..the only authentic gangster rappers are either dead or in prison….”.

    A selfless act on behalf of music lovers everywhere 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😁😁

  79. @Reg Cæsar

    Compton is now mostly Latino but I believe most of the government jobs and politicians are still black.

     

    Latins are lousy enough politicians. Add to that their lack of eligibility in a foreign (to them) country-- blacks are citizens, after all-- and this is not very surprising.

    How does Weird Al's Lyndale rate?

    Lynwood. Judging from the AAU teams I played against in the 80s and looking at its current population, mostly Latino, probably the same as Compton. Median income $50,000. Most “hoods” in SoCal are on the surface quite appealing when compared to “hoods” that I have spent any amount of time in in the Midwest, Detroit, especially.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Especially this time of year. Back when I wrote anniversary articles about the 1992 L.A. Riot that started at the end of April, the thing that jumped out at me was that the neighborhoods where it started looked like paradise.
    , @Hrw-500
    Indeed, Detroit, South Chicago, Gary, East St. Louis have some urban prairies although the backyard alleys of that neighboorhood filmed in the movie "Boyz in the Hood" in the scene where Ricky was shot tell otherwise.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C--iuM8NcQc
    , @Kylie
    "Most 'hoods' in SoCal are on the surface quite appealing when compared to “hoods” that I have spent any amount of time in in the Midwest, Detroit, especially."

    And St. Louis. I'll never forget watching some true crime show. The narrator said, "This is one on the most dangerous neighborhoods in Los Angeles" and I expected to see a war zone of empty, vandalized buildings, vacant lots and boarded-up buildings like north St. Louis has. I was shocked to see a street of modest but nice houses with trim yards. The only giveaway were the black iron security doors and even they were decorative. I still don't get it.
  80. “Compton is now mostly Latino”

    How much of that is driven by violence (ranging from drive-bys to getting bad vibes on the street) and how much by Latinos needing somewhere to live and blacks not wanting to live by them?

    When Asian families started buying houses in Birmingham (UK), no one was scared of them or their youth (that came decades later), the natives just didn’t fancy it, wanted to live by their own. The volume of incomers (and their fertility) meant that huge areas of the city were denuded of all the natives in a couple of decades. Very different with West Indian immigrants, where people moved after (for example) their kids were being robbed going to and from school.

    The In The Hat blog used to cover what the author called ethnic cleansing, “race-motivated murders in Avenues, Compton, Watts, Pacoima, Pomona, Colton, San Berdoo and other neighborhoods.”

    https://inthehat.blogspot.com/search?q=Compton

    Plenty of LA commenters on this blog – was he wrong?

  81. Why am I just learning that Brooks succumbed to shiksa fever?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups.

    Wife #1 was also not Jewish. She converted to marry his nibs.
  82. @Mr McKenna

    I’ve been thinking for awhile that a new booming career will be as a consultant who walks into a workplace and makes recommendations on how to make it Covid safe. I haven’t heard of anyone doing this.
     
    Just get Zelda May Rubinstein.

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/poltergeist-1982-warner-bros-1523395133.jpg

    Wiki calls her "American actress and human rights activist."

    And no, she's not dead. She's just resting.

    Her wiki page says she had a Bachelor’s in Bacteriology, later worked as a lab technician in blood banks, so, yeah, you picked a good one. She also didn’t have a funeral, so maybe she is still with us.

  83. @Thomas

    Compton is now mostly Latino but I believe most of the government jobs and politicians are still black.
     
    I interviewed for a city job once in Compton. The panel I interviewed with was all black and I wasn't. I assume the position was only made public due to rules requiring entry-level positions to be open to the public. From how the interview went, as well as the published qualification and pay, I would have assumed my qualifications would have made me a competitive candidate. I did not receive a callback for a second interview.

    Thanks for the anecdote.

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups. Everything? A few exceptions: Mormons and other religious groups, but I’m not sure how good an example they are.

    Other groups sure don’t hesitate to help their own, pace the Chinese, sub-continent Indians, Mexicans, etc., etc. Heck, Native American patronage is written into law.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Yup. I know some people who could use a patronage network.
    , @Pericles
    Don't despair, us whites still have patronage networks for women, LGBT, jews, etc.
    , @kaganovitch
    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups.

    Urban fire departments were one such White patronage network. The courts have been trying to slap them down for decades, not entirely succesfully.
    , @Thomas

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups. Everything?
     
    White patronage networks get called "unlawful discrimination" by the courts.

    A few exceptions: Mormons and other religious groups, but I’m not sure how good an example they are.
     
    I can think of one other group that commonly gets labeled "white" that isn't too shy about elevating their own. I'll leave it to you to guess who.
    , @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    I think this is why “veteran owned” is such a big thing. In my social media feed, I see veteran owned: coffee, slacks, insurance, gym equipment etc
    The combat arms (as steve points out for people who haven’t seen it themselves) are overwhelmingly white, and so “by vets for vets” has a distinct proxy feel to it.
    In my younger days I thought this was an over-correction to the Vietnam Vets lack of welcome home (and it in part may be) but the more I see it the more it’s clear that it is a self-referential internal referral network of and for white men
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    There used to be lots of White patronage networks (politics, unions, business), but these were mostly outlawed back in the 60s-80s era. In addition to that, Whites have become very individualistic and socially atomized in recent decades, so the concept of a patronage network seems odd to a lot of them. For the most part, only elite Whites (like the Bushes and Kennedys) really have these patronage networks these days.

    Lots of Anglo-Germanic Whites are naive enough to think that they can make it as individuals. A lot of the rest of the world understands that if you want to get ahead in life, you need someone to put the thumb on the scale for you, whether it be a family member or a co-ethnic.

    In the Chinese culture, nepotism is so deeply ingrained, they have a term for it. "Guanxi." China really isn't unique in this regard, the whole world (other than the Anglo-Germanic nations and Japan) functions like this to some extent. There are some regions of the world with such extreme and irrational nepotism (like the Middle East and India) that China looks like Sweden in comparison.

    Way back in the old days, Anglo-Saxons used patronage networks pretty effectively to colonize much of the world. So it's not that Anglos can't set up patronage networks. It's more that conditions have evolved in such a way that Anglo nepotism and social inter-connectedness have faded in recent decades.

    Some groups are very brazen in their nepotism.

    -Indians in IT/software.
    -Cubans and South Americans in business&politics in South Florida.
    -Italians in the east coast construction industry.
    -Irish in east coast political machines.
    -Jews in many different regions and industries.
    -Blacks in govt jobs and private sector "diversity" make-work.
  84. @International Jew
    If local control and smallish towns are the (new) magic formula, then Maywood should be doing great.

    Ice Cube plays “Craig Jones” in the Friday franchise. “While developing the film, Ice Cube and DJ Pooh expressed discontent regarding the portrayal of the hood in film, which they came to see as too violent and menacing.” Gangsta!

  85. @Curle
    Think Gangsta rap was created by an Compton thug named Dre or Snoop? Try a mild mannered Pomona kid named Gregory Hutchinson from an illustrious musical family.

    “My dad is Richard Hutch, who was one of his writers and producers. My dad wrote for the Jacksons, he wrote for the Miracles, he wrote for the Commodores, and he wrote for Willie Hutch. He was a writer and producer as well. My uncle was the artist.”

    Gregory founded the rap group Above the Law and produced the first gangsta rap album, Black Mafia, one year before Dr Dre ripped him off. Here’s an article covering the matter, and below the progenitor of a song and style stolen by Dre on his ‘groundbreaking’ G rap album The Chronic.

    https://www.complex.com/music/2017/07/the-inventor-of-g-funk-interview

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9MzdnHxfng

    G-Funk and gangster rap are not the same thing. Lots of people, including NWA, had gangster stuff out well before Chronic (or this dude).

  86. Duke snyder was from Compton. My dad said as early 1950s you better be on your toes near the USC campus.

  87. @BenKenobi

    Whatever happened to question everything?
     
    Questions are no longer kosher because here in the foul Year of Our Lord 2020 a lot of answers have revealed themselves, and they're all racist.

    Question everything until “we” win.

  88. @Anonymous
    Watts' rep was damaged by the '65 riots, then sunk completely by the '92 riots yet it was never quite the Afro-Am aulde sod of David Brooks's extensive cartoon research. Watts, Wilmington, Crenshaw, and Adams all were white-plurality neighborhoods of the city proper as recently as the completion of the Harbor Freeway in the early 60s

    Expressways always damage, and not infrequently destroy, neighborhoods.

  89. @bomag
    Thanks for the anecdote.

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups. Everything? A few exceptions: Mormons and other religious groups, but I'm not sure how good an example they are.

    Other groups sure don't hesitate to help their own, pace the Chinese, sub-continent Indians, Mexicans, etc., etc. Heck, Native American patronage is written into law.

    Yup. I know some people who could use a patronage network.

  90. @Anon
    OT

    I've been thinking for awhile that a new booming career will be as a consultant who walks into a workplace and makes recommendations on how to make it Covid safe. I haven't heard of anyone doing this. It would be an obvious ploy for the big management consulting firms, but any smart person with sales and communications skills could do it, since a lot of it is commonsense, and your main contribution would be to be the "outside guy" who has no personal stake in the current system and who management would listen to (unlike its own staff, who management ignores or intimidates, but who could probably make the same recommendations).

    -- Talking to all stakeholders ... in private.

    -- Work-from-home-ification of jobs. My wife's company is looking for computer security advice, since they have fears about that, so for this some tech chops or a subcontractor would be needed.

    -- Making jobs productivity-auditable so work-from-homers actually work (the upWork freelancer has some good ideas developed over a long time, like every-about-10-minutes screen shots forwarded to HQ, after worker approval).

    -- Related: staggered work hours for people who must be on site.

    -- Zoom consulting (might consist also of "Have you heard of the telephone?").

    -- Putting some space, and some vinyl, between workers.

    -- Daily temperature and blood oxygen recorded.

    -- Ventilation. I suspect this is rather complex, but a little hoodoo advice will calm nerves. Or get a knowledgable subcontractor to really fix things.

    -- Customer/visitor management (waiting room seating, moving stuff outside, appointment system to keep them away until you can help them; keeping them at home and using delivery, the web, or Zoom ... or the telephone ... have you heard of it?).

    -- Masks, eye wear, face coverings, hand washing, surface disinfection, machines that fill spaces with giant billowing clouds of some unknown substance.

    -- Staggered work hours if working on site.

    -- Surfacing unnecessary tasks and paperwork.

    -- Communicating with customers about all of this.

    — Ventilation. I suspect this is rather complex, but a little hoodoo advice will calm nerves. Or get a knowledgable subcontractor to really fix things.

    This. HVAC engineers and contractors will make a fortune.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    Kind of like the scare years ago over Legionnaire's disease, which was thought to have some connection to the "C" in HVAC.
    , @Anon
    I love the HVAC guys, but the sort of airflow measurement and analysis needed here is above their pay grade. It's part craft, but more science, art, and iterative metrics, not unlike architectural acoustics. The guys who design hospital infectious ward systems will suddenly find themselves sought out by ordinary businesses.
  91. @Ron Mexico
    Lynwood. Judging from the AAU teams I played against in the 80s and looking at its current population, mostly Latino, probably the same as Compton. Median income $50,000. Most "hoods" in SoCal are on the surface quite appealing when compared to "hoods" that I have spent any amount of time in in the Midwest, Detroit, especially.

    Especially this time of year. Back when I wrote anniversary articles about the 1992 L.A. Riot that started at the end of April, the thing that jumped out at me was that the neighborhoods where it started looked like paradise.

    • Replies: @Jake
    I still recall the mild shock when I saw some TV 'news' show, way back in the last century, about how poverty caused the black crime problem in LA and the related issues of gangster rap, etc. The neighborhood that Ice Cube grew up in was brick houses, most of them 3 or 4 bedrooms with 2 baths, most built in the 1950s and early 1960s.
    , @Fred C Dobbs
    I know people in OC who are reticent, if not fearful, of going to Santa Ana (same vintage as Compton). I laugh at them. Take the train from NYC to Philly, as it snakes through the ghettos of North Philadelphia. Place looks like Dresden after the air raid.
  92. Ah yes…the “I drove through a couple of neighborhoods in a rental car and actually spoke to a few of the natives” ghetto tour that allows for piercing insights. I have multiple acquaintances who work for NFPs or academia who have done the same thing and then blame systemic forces for the plight if the downtrodden.

    In the other hand, I also know a number of people who manage low income housing projects. They have a very different take on things, but no NYT writer would have to balls to publish what they say.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman, but I do seem to recall a funny exchange from back when, for some odd reason or other, he was getting a tour of a dilapidated negro housing project...

    ANGRY BLACK RESIDENT (pointing): And look over here! There's puddles of urine in the stairwells!

    FRIEDMAN: Okay, but... who urinated in the stairwells?
    , @benjaminl
    Heather Mac Donald is virtually the only "mainstream" type writer who goes and talks to people like those housing project managers. They're quite frank about what really ails the downtrodden communities.
  93. @bomag
    Thanks for the anecdote.

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups. Everything? A few exceptions: Mormons and other religious groups, but I'm not sure how good an example they are.

    Other groups sure don't hesitate to help their own, pace the Chinese, sub-continent Indians, Mexicans, etc., etc. Heck, Native American patronage is written into law.

    Don’t despair, us whites still have patronage networks for women, LGBT, jews, etc.

  94. @danand
    I chose to go to Compton and Watts for a specific reason, which offers a way forward to scout properties for my people to purchase before I push Watts/Compton gentrification proposals.

    https://flic.kr/p/2iVe56x

    “Surveillance cameras are installed throughout the exterior of the building. Located in close proximity to shopping and restaurants.”

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/10952-Wilmington-Ave-Los-Angeles-CA-90059/123127464_zpid/

    As Ta-Nehisi Coates might write:

    Who the hell does this Latte-sipping, Chardonnay-swilling pompous sissy Brooks character think he is; with his Compton campaign to stamp out heaven’s vibrancy Watts right under his elitist boot. My God, for the love of David...

    10952 Wilmington Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90059 … Market rents are $2,600 per month per unit, and both units are 3 bedrooms & 2 bathrooms, approximately 1,160 sf each.

    Are the poor in AmeriKKKa actually rich as f? Also, $700,000 for living in a prison yard. Something is broken.

  95. @Colin Wright
    '...Compton is now mostly Latino...'

    And we get to the actual explanation.

    The Mexican tough guys/gang bangers will have driven off many of the worst blacks who used to live in Compton. They would have frightened most of the remaining bad blacks to restrict their worst activities to all-black areas, preferably in LA.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    When can we get them to drive away all the sidewalk-dwelling vagrants?
  96. @Arclight
    Ah yes...the "I drove through a couple of neighborhoods in a rental car and actually spoke to a few of the natives" ghetto tour that allows for piercing insights. I have multiple acquaintances who work for NFPs or academia who have done the same thing and then blame systemic forces for the plight if the downtrodden.

    In the other hand, I also know a number of people who manage low income housing projects. They have a very different take on things, but no NYT writer would have to balls to publish what they say.

    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman, but I do seem to recall a funny exchange from back when, for some odd reason or other, he was getting a tour of a dilapidated negro housing project…

    ANGRY BLACK RESIDENT (pointing): And look over here! There’s puddles of urine in the stairwells!

    FRIEDMAN: Okay, but… who urinated in the stairwells?

    • Replies: @Arclight
    Yep. A lot of the run-down apartment housing you see pointed out as evidence of discrimination got that way because management just could not keep up with the abuse meted out through both malicious and indifferent tenants. Having a fair amount of experience in this area, I learned early on that money spent on new playgrounds and landscaping is a guaranteed waste - residents will destroy it it in short order, and any common areas need to be made as durable and low maintenance as possible. And it's not even that the majority of them participate, it's that they just sit idly by while others wreck it. There is no social pressure applied to keep things up for the common good.

    As Mr. Sailer has pointed out, in the future blacks will marvel at the fact that for awhile they were in control of some of the best real estate in various major cities but let it get away from them because they let it get run down to the point that cities were desperate for developers to swoop in and scoop up huge chunks at bargain prices for redevelopment and demographic replacement. For sure there are a number of blacks in these neighborhoods that watch what goes on with quiet shame, but the pressure not to call out others is immense.
    , @Art Deco
    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman


    You sound like the title character in the movie Henry Fool, muttering in a bar about his brother-in-law's Nobel: "Anyone can get one of those".
    , @Reg Cæsar

    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman
     
    Why does everybody hate this man? He apologized for helping institute income tax withholding-- name any other economist who's owned up to such an error.

    He was proposing UBI before Andrew Yang was born. How to swing that without withholding is a mystery, but he probably realized he had lost that battle.

    He once saw a crew in an East Asian "tiger" country working on a road construction project using shovels. He asked his hosts why they didn't just employ heavy equipment, which would have been more efficient. They told him it was meant to be a jobs program.

    "In that case, they should be given spoons."
  97. @Steve Sailer
    Especially this time of year. Back when I wrote anniversary articles about the 1992 L.A. Riot that started at the end of April, the thing that jumped out at me was that the neighborhoods where it started looked like paradise.

    I still recall the mild shock when I saw some TV ‘news’ show, way back in the last century, about how poverty caused the black crime problem in LA and the related issues of gangster rap, etc. The neighborhood that Ice Cube grew up in was brick houses, most of them 3 or 4 bedrooms with 2 baths, most built in the 1950s and early 1960s.

  98. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas.
     
    This comment has all the noxious stench of the Eternal WASP.

    What you call The Eternal WASP will no more change his spots than will the leopard or Numinous Negro. And yes, the Eternal WASP always delights in blaming and bashing what it sees as white trash while also cooing over how wonderful it would be is enough people helped the darling Numinous Negroes.

  99. @Colin Wright
    '...Compton is now mostly Latino...'

    And we get to the actual explanation.

    Brooks’ sleight of hand is apparent right from when he compares the residents of Watts only with those of similar family income from Compton (and even then a 6% incarceration rate is incredibly high!). It’s as if the demographic make-up of a person’s neighbourhood is entirely irrelevant to an individual or constituent group’s beliefs and actions. True, Brooks does extol the importance of civic values but he seems to think that these are merely an abstract function of government and charitable largesse.

    The uncomfortable corollary to the idea that the worst thing for blacks is to grow up and live around other blacks is that it might be better for society as a whole to geographically assimilate blacks as widely as possible.

    • Replies: @GermanReader2

    The uncomfortable corollary to the idea that the worst thing for blacks is to grow up and live around other blacks is that it might be better for society as a whole to geographically assimilate blacks as widely as possible.
     
    I agree, that it is the worst thing for blacks to grow up and live around other blacks. But I do not see, why Whites, Asians and Hispanics should be made to live around blacks and suffer crime, bad schools, noise, dirt etc. in order to dillute black dysfunction. If blacks wanted to live in cleaner and safer neighbourhoods, they could vote in a major, who favors tough-on-crime-policies. The fact, that they don't do it, tells me, that they prefer the status quo to a safer neighbourhood, but with a higher number of their men getting locked up. Additionally, if blacks lived in nearly all-black neighbourhoods, then it would also be a lot harder for them to cry racism all the time, because the police, city hall and the schools would have blacks in charge.

    I also do not think, that society as a whole would be better off. In one article I read about Section 8 (American murder mystery, The Atlantic), it said, that crime overall ROSE after knocking down the local projects and dispensing the inhabitants in white working class neighbourhoods, because a lot of youngsters from the projects, who had been scared of competing with the tougher criminals in the projects, took on crime in the formerly mostly law-abiding suburbs.

    In my opinion, a really big problem with public policy in the last 50 years (on a local, national and even international stage) is that it subsidizes/rewards bad behaviour (and punishes good behaviour) and therefore increases the prevalence of bad behaviour.
    Here are some examples:
    -the residents of high-crime and otherwise dysfunctional neighbourhoods get vouchers (Section 8) to move to neighbourhoods with more law-abiding inhabitants and promptly raise the chance of the more law-abiding people to become victims of crime
    -welfare-payments enable reckless people to have a large number of children. The money for the welfare-payments is taken from provident people and decreases their fertility, even though they should be the ones having kids.
    -third-world countries can throw out productive minorites (e.g. white farmers in Africa etc.), because they know, that the UN is going to ship food there, once the agricultural production collapses (for the rulers of these countries it often increases their power, when their country turns into a sh*thole)
    -wrecking your country increases your chances of becoming a permanent resident of a rich Western country, because you can become a "refugee" and even if you are in the country illegally, you are not allowed to be sent back
    -gays gained a lot of special rights, when their out-of-this-world-promiscuity greatly exarcerbated the AIDS-epidemic and led to the death of other people nor part of the "lifestyle" (healthcare-workers, hemophiliacs)

    This list is not exhaustive, just what came to my mind on short notice. In my opinion, it is one of the biggest challenges in politics right now to not shelter from the negative consequences of their own destructive behaviours any longer.

    , @Anonymous
    Of course.

    It's plainly obvious to anyone who has had a lot of interaction with black folks who were adopted by whites, or blacks who grew up in 90%+ white towns.

    If you have a class with 19 black kids and 1 white kid, the white kid learns all the behaviors of the black kids.

    If you have a class with 19 white kids and 1 black kid, the black kid learns all the behaviors of the white kids.

    Genetics ain't everything. The truth is in the middle. (Sorry alt-righters and leftists)
  100. @Anonymous
    Rap 'music'?

    I would rather endure the flatulence of 1000 thousand cabbage fed warthogs. Or even worse the collected speeches of Tony Blair.
    Talking of warthog flatulence not only is the 'content' a damn sight better than 'rap' but so is the musicality, I mean it even has advanced to the level of changes in pitch and meter, the stacatto to the harmonic. Something that 'rap' either cannot or will not advance to.

    OK grandpa.

    I don’t like rap myself, but its a popular genre amongst the kiddies, and has been for decades. Get over it, its got staying power.

    • Replies: @Redman
    I'm 50 and was a huge rap fan when it was just taking off in the late 1980s. Yo MTV Raps! was a seminal show when I was in college. But rap took a big fall (as did most popular music) the day Napster came.

    That's the real "Day the Music Died." Music labels had to switch their paradigm to creating more "superstars" to sell to the part of the public that still bought discs (pre-teen girls and their parents). The market became one more for "star personalities" not music, e.g. Puff Daddy, Jay-Z, Drake, etc.

    Most popular music today is essentially derivative (tweaking old styles of one form or another in a pastiche). You're correct that a form of rap has staying power, but it pales in comparison to the rappers of the late 1980s and early 1990s who really pushed the genre with new styles, sampling and electronic instruments.

    None of this is to say that there aren't creative musicians out there experimenting with new sounds and textures. But none of that music has a place in the current market, making it unlikely it will ever reach a broader audience like in the pre-internet days.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yes it does have staying power, and especially since the record companies control the game and making sure it stays that way for as long as it can. Make no mistake, IF a new musical genre came about and started dwarfing rap's music sales, then it'd be so long rappa, don't want to know ya.

    Btw, nationally at least, country music has always equalled if not outsold rap in total unit (track, album, etc). The country artists consistently tour better and are more profitable than rap. This is in no small part due to the fact that country music as a genre is way more family friendly than rap, can be marketed to all demographics across the board, and thus receives more mainstream recognition and radio airplay. Like hip hop, pop, and dance, modern country music greatly appeals to women (obviously it appeals to men, but as with most music genres, women are the bulk of the consumers).

    Because gangsta is the most popular form of commercial rap, it is somewhat limiting in its marketing. Example: it can at times be perceived as misogynistic where few, if any country artists are seldom viewed in that light. The swagger in both country and rap are different. Part of marketed rap swag is to hate on stuff (police, women, etc). Part of marketed country swag is to appeal to families, timeless values, etc. Even the videos are differently marketed. At worst, a country music video is PG, or PG-13 with a wink and a nod to maybe something a bit racier. Rap videos start around PG-13 borderline R, and attempt to crank it up a notch.

    But country music total sales in the US as a profitable genre for record labels equals or outperforms rap by miles. Always has as its the one genre that can be played on about 99% of the music formats and in 99% of all US metros (except for of course urban or black radio. And there are very few blacks that listen to much less care about and like country music). Country saturates the mainstream music market across the board, which can never be said that way for rap.

    , @Iron Fist
    It's fake 'staying power' though. It's media created and media sustained. I saw lt all start...
  101. @Mr McKenna
    Can't watch a 30-min video just now but by chance this other thing caught my eye today:

    New Sources Corroborate Timeline of Sexual Assault Accusation Against Biden

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/theres-new-corroborative-evidence-for-tara-reades-story.html
     

    If even NY Mag is lending credence to this, all we need is one more credible woman to step up. And given how many times Biden's been caught being majorly creepy on camera you know there are a lot more women out there.

    Even from my safe and secure remove I can sense the blood-pressure readings of the 'Prestige Media' increasing. Which (as we all know) is a risk factor for Covid stuff.

    So my fingers are crossed that covid stuff gets edged off-screen by something salacious. I'm just naughty like that. Naughty By Nature, which means I've just sewn up all the threads in this bee-yotch tonight.

    Actually, all this stuff has the fingerprints of Hillary on it. Trump too, but I’d say a good portion is Hillary.

    She’s trying to make sure, with the 1-2-3 punch of dementia, rape, and lackluster appeal to the general public that Biden gets kicked off the ticket at the convention. She is the one pushing this Reade stuff and dementia proof, to try to make Joe so weak that, by the convention, she can broker a deal and take the nomination from him.

    Not that its wrong, mind you. Joe is mentally incompetent for the job. But Trump would rather have this punching bag around for a while, while all this sudden interest in Reade and Joe’s dementia would knock him out earlier—so I say Hillary is doing a lot of this skulduggery.

    • Replies: @Carol
    Then her endorsement of Biden today is really diabolical!
    , @Mike_from_SGV
    If this is true, who would she think would replace Biden? Surely not Herself?
  102. Wasn’t Watts an Italian neighborhood at one time?

    • Replies: @Alden
    No, an Italian built the famous and beautiful
    Watts Towers in his back yard starting about 100 years ago. But it was just another White neighborhood at the time.
  103. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @donut
    Brilliant fo sho .

    https://www.truewestmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/BTK_lead_Photograph-of-Billy-Playing-Croquet.jpg

    Nice sweater, Billy.

  104. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian

    — Ventilation. I suspect this is rather complex, but a little hoodoo advice will calm nerves. Or get a knowledgable subcontractor to really fix things.
     
    This. HVAC engineers and contractors will make a fortune.

    Kind of like the scare years ago over Legionnaire’s disease, which was thought to have some connection to the “C” in HVAC.

  105. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman, but I do seem to recall a funny exchange from back when, for some odd reason or other, he was getting a tour of a dilapidated negro housing project...

    ANGRY BLACK RESIDENT (pointing): And look over here! There's puddles of urine in the stairwells!

    FRIEDMAN: Okay, but... who urinated in the stairwells?

    Yep. A lot of the run-down apartment housing you see pointed out as evidence of discrimination got that way because management just could not keep up with the abuse meted out through both malicious and indifferent tenants. Having a fair amount of experience in this area, I learned early on that money spent on new playgrounds and landscaping is a guaranteed waste – residents will destroy it it in short order, and any common areas need to be made as durable and low maintenance as possible. And it’s not even that the majority of them participate, it’s that they just sit idly by while others wreck it. There is no social pressure applied to keep things up for the common good.

    As Mr. Sailer has pointed out, in the future blacks will marvel at the fact that for awhile they were in control of some of the best real estate in various major cities but let it get away from them because they let it get run down to the point that cities were desperate for developers to swoop in and scoop up huge chunks at bargain prices for redevelopment and demographic replacement. For sure there are a number of blacks in these neighborhoods that watch what goes on with quiet shame, but the pressure not to call out others is immense.

    • Replies: @Meretricious

    the pressure not to call out others is immense.
     
    That seems almost to be universal

    Look what happens to Beckys.

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "As Mr. Sailer has pointed out, in the future blacks will marvel at the fact that for awhile they were in control of some of the best real estate in various major cities but let it get away from them"

    There's no evidence that blacks possess the self awareness to make such an observation after the fact. When has the negro, as a group or an individual, looked back upon his poor decisions and said "Man, I wish I had done that differently!" I'm going to get a cup of coffee while I wait for my answer.

    I would no more expect a raccoon to feel regret about infesting the attic of a really nice house.

    *This is my one allowed comment of the day, courtesy of free speech champion Ron Unz.
  106. Ot put things in perspective, Compton High School is 83.5% Latino and is 55% male (very high for a non-magnet public high school).

    Whereas David Jordan High School in Watts in 84.4% Latino and 51% female. Comparing to a Alliance Cindy & Bill Simon Technology Academy High School in Watts that is 91% Latino and 50% female.

    In looking at the data for LAUSD, are there really many black students around in Los Angeles?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The 2005 Compton Centennial team that crushed my old high school in the SoCal finals was 75% black and the offensive line was Polynesian. I don't recall any Spanish-surnamed players. Future all-Pro cornerback Richard Sherman didn't particularly stand out among all the talent.
    , @benjaminl
    Schooldigger.com lists 151 public high schools in the city of Los Angeles, of which:

    8 are majority-black
    100+ are majority-Hispanic
    1 (one) is majority white (New West Charter in West L.A.)
    0 are majority-Asian (the highest being Rise Kohyang High in Koreatown at 38% Asian)
    , @Alden
    They seem to have completely disappeared from west Los Angeles schools Thanks be to God and all the Saints and Angels. It’s astonishing how badly behaved black kids of any age are.

    Here’s something I’ll never forget. Bus lines from 3 different cities service West Los Angeles Santa Monica blue buses. Culver City green buses and City of Los Angeles red and I think orange.

    It was summer when kids are in park&rec day camps. Westwood Blvd, 8 lanes of traffic separated by a median strip. Stop and go very heavy traffic from 7/am to about 8/pm.

    So here’s a group of about 20 10- 12 year old Orcs and their Orc counselors, all wearing green T shirts from Culver City park&rec. 4/pm on the other side of 8 lanes and a median strip the Orcs saw a green Culver City bus. They screeched and howled and ran across the 8 lanes of traffic against the red light with the Orc counselors running after them.

    No one was hit because traffic moves about 2 MPH that time of day. They just took off like a pack of feral dogs after a deer. Against the red light hundreds of cars. 10-12 years old.

    They don’t think like humans. The bus was going in the wrong direction anyway. They saw a green bus and just took off. Black kids are very badly behaved, incredibly mindless and reckless and get hurt all the time. Another reason to not have black tenants. The kids will take the furnace apart, anything to destroy the house.

    2 more examples I read about. Gary Indiana. Park swimming pool is closed in winter and surrounded by 18 ft fence barbed wire on top. Pool fills with melted snow in April and frogs move in. Black kids like to catch the frogs and torture them to death. One year a brother and sister, both under 12 disappeared. Bodies were found in swimming pool. They cut a hole in the fence to get in to catch frogs to torture.

    Chicago. Old building one furnace heats entire building heat is part of the rent. Big fat black mamma goes to laundry room stops to chat with neighbor on way back. She must have chatted a long time. It was winter

    While mamma was out the 5 and 7 year old managed to take off the faucet of the radiator valve. Steam poured out and killed the 2 year old. 5 and 7 year olds taking apart a radiator and killing baby brother!!!!

    Negroes in Negroland. .
  107. The latest horror. Black Nazis!!!

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    She might try and meditate on the careers of Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton.
  108. @R.G. Camara
    Related:

    As I get older, I am amazed about how grown adults buy the kayfabe nonsense that comes out of Hollywood about celebrities personal stories. I mean, I assume low-IQ types can be fooled, but I've met a lot of people of middle and High IQ who buy that NWA were hardcore gangsters, that every dude with a cowboy hat singing with a twang grew up on farms, that some celebrity's hard-luck story is completely true and not designed to boost their image, that some politician's well-worn anecdote is absolutely true.

    I mean, I get it for teens, this is their first time around, they have no experience with it. But after that, you've seen this sort of PR nonsense enough, you should be smelling b.s.

    I can't tell you how many grown, intelligent SWPL adults who are into rap are shocked when I laugh at the idea of NWA being tough guys and inform them they were middle class music geeks/losers without any criminal proclivities, except Easy E, who was a minor high school drug dealing loser. The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    A lot of people don't like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people's minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    A lot of people don’t like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people’s minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    It’s interesting that back in the heyday of the studio system, when the studios actually bribed reporters & bestrode the world like Colossi, they had less control of the media than today, when the media volunteers for the water carrier position.

    • Agree: Abe
  109. @Redneck farmer
    Is someone going to finally talk about the Canadian Pogroms? Brooks and Frum won't.

    What Canadian pogroms?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    What Canadian pogroms?
     
    Le Grand Dérangement des Acadiens.
  110. @bomag
    Thanks for the anecdote.

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups. Everything? A few exceptions: Mormons and other religious groups, but I'm not sure how good an example they are.

    Other groups sure don't hesitate to help their own, pace the Chinese, sub-continent Indians, Mexicans, etc., etc. Heck, Native American patronage is written into law.

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups.

    Urban fire departments were one such White patronage network. The courts have been trying to slap them down for decades, not entirely succesfully.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Whether because of White resistance, or Black lack of interest, or more likely both, recruitment of Black men into fire departments, even in very liberal cities such as Chicago, has substantially lagged behind their recruitment into police departments.
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Irish, Italians, and other "ethnics" often can be quite nepotistic. However, as you point out, the courts have been working very hard to suppress these networks over the last several decades. So I'm not sure how much clout they have these days.

    Mormons seem to get away with a fair amount of nepotism in Utah and some of the surrounding regions (Idaho, Montana, Nevada), but their power is very regional.

    Jewish ethnic nepotism seems to rarely be challenged. Even mentioning it is very taboo.
  111. @Steve Sailer
    I drove to Compton about 10 years ago and ate dinner there. It looked okay.

    I saw Compton Centennial's football team, with Richard Sherman, play in 2005.

    I grew up in Boston but back in the 1970s I had an uncle who worked in LA traffic engineering. This was a few years after the famous riots. One day he had to check on the timing of lights at an intersection in Watts. I went with him..

    I was shocked ( Shocked I tell you) at how nice it was. 99.999% of the people on earth lived worse than that.

  112. @guest007
    Ot put things in perspective, Compton High School is 83.5% Latino and is 55% male (very high for a non-magnet public high school).

    Whereas David Jordan High School in Watts in 84.4% Latino and 51% female. Comparing to a Alliance Cindy & Bill Simon Technology Academy High School in Watts that is 91% Latino and 50% female.

    In looking at the data for LAUSD, are there really many black students around in Los Angeles?

    The 2005 Compton Centennial team that crushed my old high school in the SoCal finals was 75% black and the offensive line was Polynesian. I don’t recall any Spanish-surnamed players. Future all-Pro cornerback Richard Sherman didn’t particularly stand out among all the talent.

    • Replies: @guest007
    Compton Centennial is 74% Latino and 25% black with a 50/50 gender split. Are they still a football power. Given the gender split, it does not appear that the school is recruiting football players.

    Also, Dave Campbell's Texas Football had an article two years ago about how high school football is Texas and California are declining as a place to recruit college players. However, the story failed to mention the changing demographics of the states.
  113. @Anon
    Why am I just learning that Brooks succumbed to shiksa fever?

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups.

    Wife #1 was also not Jewish. She converted to marry his nibs.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "She converted to marry his nibs."

    And Brooks was appropriately grateful!
    , @Dissident

    Wife #1 was also not Jewish. She converted to marry his nibs.
     
    Uh...didn't you forget to put converted between quotation marks?

    Shouldn't people realize that conversion for ulterior motives is not halakhically valid? (Even when it's the President's daughter...)

  114. Anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Uh... in the seventies, Compton was a "no go" area for white folks. I played on the football team at my high school, I recall when we had to play a night game as visitors at Compton High, our busses had a four car police escort, with lights but no siren, so we didn’t have to obey stop lights coming in, or going out. Every time our team had to go there it was fucking intense, especially heading home after we won a game.

    Whenever Compton High played a night game at our school, police presence was tripled, and damned if a visiting Comptonite booster didn’t pull off a successful strong-armed robbery or purse snatching in one of the parking lots after the game, despite the heavy police presence.

    I know there were many relatively sedate, successful middle-class black communities in the South. Compton did not reflect that black workin' joe mentality.. The city was pretty crazy, and dangerous, when it was majority black. Once the Latino’s literally ran them out, crime dropped dramatically, and most recently, they reopened MLK Hospital. The first California hospital opened and run by blacks, that went bankrupt. I understand it’s doing very well now, since it’s been deblacked. What they have left of a black city council has a long history of almost comical corruption.

    Anyway, I think the conclusion drawn by the writer might not be very well informed, and if his visit was recent, then he is leaving out the Latino-led very successful pogroms against blacks over the last 20 years, and the results tied to that. He’s either ignorant, or not honest.

    I played football at Samohi and we played against some of the compton and inglewood schools.

    I remember the first time we went somewhere like Centennial our coaches told us we were going to use the buddy system to keep track of each other at all times.
    I thought they were kidding but they were definitely not.

    I usually had no issues with my fellow student-athletes but some of the shit talk from their brothers/cousins/uncles/whatever could get a little inappropriate in terms of adults using threatening language in a way that was not….not believable.

    Playing high school football in the hood is an experience.

    Samohi, a truly diverse school. The football team didnt look like my classroooms (i shared one but not the other with stephen miller).

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Samohi, a truly diverse school. The football team didnt look like my classroooms (i shared one but not the other with stephen miller).
     
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Stephen Miller was not on the football team.
  115. @Kronos

    Compton is now mostly Latino but I believe most of the government jobs and politicians are still black. My guess is that the neighborhood in Compton where black kids do pretty well in life is the one where Compton’s cops, firemen, and politicians live.
     
    What about those white hipster gentrifiers that were supposed to be moving in?

    https://youtu.be/BQL_Lwdi7EI

    They’re still colonizing Culver City

  116. anon[385] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    In the lousier neighborhoods in Compton, the blacks long ago moved out to the Inland Empire and the like, letting the Latinos take over.
     
    Speaking of which, all the data from RUnzie Baby's 'Hispanic Crime Series' was up to 2010. His core thesis, which is that the Hispanic community, particularly in California, was much more foreign-born, younger, and more male-heavy than the white population, and thus this is the reason for a high unadjusted rate of crime. Hence, he believed that by 2020 these factors would normalize that Hispanic crime (at least in Mexican-heavy parts of the country) would reveal itself to be just 1.2x that of whites.

    As it is now 2020, it is time for an update from RUnzie Baby. He should discuss whether he was right or not.

    His asinine conclusion is the product of not adjusting for the number of people in prison.

    If Mexicans were just as criminal as whites, you’d expect the homicide/violent crime rates to be lower than they were when L.A. was majority white. The percentage of the population incarcerated per-capita is at least 2x higher than it was back then.

  117. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman, but I do seem to recall a funny exchange from back when, for some odd reason or other, he was getting a tour of a dilapidated negro housing project...

    ANGRY BLACK RESIDENT (pointing): And look over here! There's puddles of urine in the stairwells!

    FRIEDMAN: Okay, but... who urinated in the stairwells?

    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman

    You sound like the title character in the movie Henry Fool, muttering in a bar about his brother-in-law’s Nobel: “Anyone can get one of those”.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    So... is this your way of hinting that you'd like to see my Nobel?
  118. GermanReader2 [AKA "GermanReader2_new"] says:
    @Henry's Cat
    Brooks' sleight of hand is apparent right from when he compares the residents of Watts only with those of similar family income from Compton (and even then a 6% incarceration rate is incredibly high!). It's as if the demographic make-up of a person's neighbourhood is entirely irrelevant to an individual or constituent group's beliefs and actions. True, Brooks does extol the importance of civic values but he seems to think that these are merely an abstract function of government and charitable largesse.

    The uncomfortable corollary to the idea that the worst thing for blacks is to grow up and live around other blacks is that it might be better for society as a whole to geographically assimilate blacks as widely as possible.

    The uncomfortable corollary to the idea that the worst thing for blacks is to grow up and live around other blacks is that it might be better for society as a whole to geographically assimilate blacks as widely as possible.

    I agree, that it is the worst thing for blacks to grow up and live around other blacks. But I do not see, why Whites, Asians and Hispanics should be made to live around blacks and suffer crime, bad schools, noise, dirt etc. in order to dillute black dysfunction. If blacks wanted to live in cleaner and safer neighbourhoods, they could vote in a major, who favors tough-on-crime-policies. The fact, that they don’t do it, tells me, that they prefer the status quo to a safer neighbourhood, but with a higher number of their men getting locked up. Additionally, if blacks lived in nearly all-black neighbourhoods, then it would also be a lot harder for them to cry racism all the time, because the police, city hall and the schools would have blacks in charge.

    I also do not think, that society as a whole would be better off. In one article I read about Section 8 (American murder mystery, The Atlantic), it said, that crime overall ROSE after knocking down the local projects and dispensing the inhabitants in white working class neighbourhoods, because a lot of youngsters from the projects, who had been scared of competing with the tougher criminals in the projects, took on crime in the formerly mostly law-abiding suburbs.

    In my opinion, a really big problem with public policy in the last 50 years (on a local, national and even international stage) is that it subsidizes/rewards bad behaviour (and punishes good behaviour) and therefore increases the prevalence of bad behaviour.
    Here are some examples:
    -the residents of high-crime and otherwise dysfunctional neighbourhoods get vouchers (Section 8) to move to neighbourhoods with more law-abiding inhabitants and promptly raise the chance of the more law-abiding people to become victims of crime
    -welfare-payments enable reckless people to have a large number of children. The money for the welfare-payments is taken from provident people and decreases their fertility, even though they should be the ones having kids.
    -third-world countries can throw out productive minorites (e.g. white farmers in Africa etc.), because they know, that the UN is going to ship food there, once the agricultural production collapses (for the rulers of these countries it often increases their power, when their country turns into a sh*thole)
    -wrecking your country increases your chances of becoming a permanent resident of a rich Western country, because you can become a “refugee” and even if you are in the country illegally, you are not allowed to be sent back
    -gays gained a lot of special rights, when their out-of-this-world-promiscuity greatly exarcerbated the AIDS-epidemic and led to the death of other people nor part of the “lifestyle” (healthcare-workers, hemophiliacs)

    This list is not exhaustive, just what came to my mind on short notice. In my opinion, it is one of the biggest challenges in politics right now to not shelter from the negative consequences of their own destructive behaviours any longer.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon, Kylie
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    In short:
    If you want less of something: tax it.
    If you want more of something: subsidize it.
    , @megabar
    > In my opinion, it is one of the biggest challenges in politics right now to not shelter from the negative consequences of their own destructive behaviours any longer.

    This is spot on. And recognize the role of genetics as well, because otherwise, differences in outcomes will be blamed on oppression.

    "Not sheltering" doesn't have to be absolute or draconian. It is enough to be as gentle as possible (but no gentler) while still eliciting more lawfulness and productivity than the present.
  119. @peterike
    The latest horror. Black Nazis!!!

    https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/1254818862127874048

    She might try and meditate on the careers of Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Or even Jesse Jackson.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-10-19-tm-5850-story.html

    Feb. 26, 1984. Temple Adath Yeshurun, Manchester, N.H. The campaign, and the candidate, were at a breaking point. Ramrod straight, Jesse Jackson strode to the front of the synagogue, his fists clenched tight at his sides, his eyes darting across the tense crowd. Later, he would describe the scene as “Daniel in the lion’s den,” but in some ways it was also Greenville, S.C., all over again, 34 years ago when he was 8 and had whistled in the white man’s grocery for service and the owner had pointed a loaded .45 pistol at his head to teach him his place. Then, as now, Jackson found himself cornered by his own pride.

    This time he had poked fun at Jews by calling them “Hymie” and New York City “Hymie-town,” and what he’d said had been quoted and condemned in the Washington Post. At first he had denied the remarks; then, turning street fighter, he had tried to put Jews on the defensive, accusing them of making him the target of a Jewish conspiracy to ruin his campaign. But the counterattack hadn’t worked, and day by day the furor had grown. Within two weeks his historic run for the presidency had nearly collapsed, and Jackson was trapped: There was no choice now but to swallow his pride and own up to his mistake.
     
    It's a meshuga world, isn't it?
  120. @kaganovitch
    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups.

    Urban fire departments were one such White patronage network. The courts have been trying to slap them down for decades, not entirely succesfully.

    Whether because of White resistance, or Black lack of interest, or more likely both, recruitment of Black men into fire departments, even in very liberal cities such as Chicago, has substantially lagged behind their recruitment into police departments.

    • Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    Firefighters, unlike police officers, have to be consistently good at their jobs.

    I had a relative who took the firefighter's exam in a major metropolitan area, an area where the firefighter ranks get thinned not only by retirements but also by fatalities.

    6 year Army vet, non-com. Combat. Deployed. He scored in the 99th percentile on his Army IQ test.

    Crushed the exam.

    Waited three years to get called in. Too late. He had moved on.

    Affirmative action hires went before him, including some Tanishas.

    Life in the 21st century woke United States.

    , @Jack D

    Black lack of interest
     
    You left out lack of ability to pass fire fighting civil service tests, no matter how dumbed down they had to make them to satisfy the courts.
  121. @kaganovitch
    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups.

    Wife #1 was also not Jewish. She converted to marry his nibs.

    “She converted to marry his nibs.”

    And Brooks was appropriately grateful!

  122. @bomag
    Thanks for the anecdote.

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups. Everything? A few exceptions: Mormons and other religious groups, but I'm not sure how good an example they are.

    Other groups sure don't hesitate to help their own, pace the Chinese, sub-continent Indians, Mexicans, etc., etc. Heck, Native American patronage is written into law.

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups. Everything?

    White patronage networks get called “unlawful discrimination” by the courts.

    A few exceptions: Mormons and other religious groups, but I’m not sure how good an example they are.

    I can think of one other group that commonly gets labeled “white” that isn’t too shy about elevating their own. I’ll leave it to you to guess who.

  123. David Brooks is the House Negro at the NYT.

    Oh, sorry, that should be House Conservative.

    You see he’s slightly to the right of Bernie Sanders (so he would say) and that’s why he’s their “conservative.”

    To enjoy Compton in today’s media, I highly recommend the half hour TV show Black Jesus. It features a nearly all black cast with a very tall and funny “real” miracle working Jesus, wearing his robe and sometimes, performing miracles for his friends and neighbors. Set in and I think shot in Compton.

    Lots of Hispanics, well some, and other funny characters. It isn’t politically correct and to me is the most authentic comedy show on television. I think the N word pops up at times. But it is also reflective of middle class landlords, entrepreneurs and the uselessness of government. Many goofy and colorful characters. Like TV comedy shows were long ago.

    It’s on very late on the Channel with Adult Swim. Back seasons are now on video. I’d like to see David Brooks review that for us in the Times. Compare and contrast that to mainstream major network “comedies” with black characters. One kind is totally fake, artificial, labored and unfunny. The other isn’t. Also, the most appealing take on Jesus on TV ever.

  124. @R.G. Camara
    OK grandpa.

    I don't like rap myself, but its a popular genre amongst the kiddies, and has been for decades. Get over it, its got staying power.

    I’m 50 and was a huge rap fan when it was just taking off in the late 1980s. Yo MTV Raps! was a seminal show when I was in college. But rap took a big fall (as did most popular music) the day Napster came.

    That’s the real “Day the Music Died.” Music labels had to switch their paradigm to creating more “superstars” to sell to the part of the public that still bought discs (pre-teen girls and their parents). The market became one more for “star personalities” not music, e.g. Puff Daddy, Jay-Z, Drake, etc.

    Most popular music today is essentially derivative (tweaking old styles of one form or another in a pastiche). You’re correct that a form of rap has staying power, but it pales in comparison to the rappers of the late 1980s and early 1990s who really pushed the genre with new styles, sampling and electronic instruments.

    None of this is to say that there aren’t creative musicians out there experimenting with new sounds and textures. But none of that music has a place in the current market, making it unlikely it will ever reach a broader audience like in the pre-internet days.

    • Replies: @anon
    I’m 50 and was a huge rap fan when it was just taking off in the late 1980s. Yo MTV Raps! was a seminal show when I was in college.

    My Boomer co-worker snorted at your comment, sighed, rolled his eyes, then muttered that "MTV CRaps" was the beginning of the end for actual music vids on cable. He also said that back then it was like someone flipped a switch back then in the music world. Click! and rap went from "stuff on one or two radio stations" to "stuff everywhere all the time". YO, MTV CONSPIRACY!

    I asked him if he'd ever hear of Bernays, he had not. Most people have not. Probably coincidence.

    Most popular music today is essentially derivative (tweaking twerking old styles of one form or another in a pastiche).

    Fixed.

    , @Stan Adams
    Is there anything left to be done, really? After a century-plus of recorded sound, surely we must be nearing the heliosheath of the human musical imagination. After all, there are only so many potential memorable melodies, so many potential catchy progressions of chords. Beyond that is the great formless void of eternal repetition, churning out minor variations upon minor variations until the end of time.

    At some point, a billion monkeys banging away on typewriters produce all the great works of literature, and then what's left for them to do? Keep on banging in the vain hope that they'll crap out another Hamlet? That's basically what today's musicians are doing.

    Incidentally, I was in high school during Napster's heyday. I still remember the day I downloaded my first MP3. It was almost a religious experience to realize that I could listen to practically every song ever made, on-demand, for free. For a fat, acne-ridden teenager muddling through a dreary, boring, stifling existence, being able to experience that surge of power and freedom was exhilarating.

    But the thrill never lasts. Now we have YouTube and Netflix and Archive.org and vidya and petabytes of porn and ... I'm so f**king bored. Does anyone know where I can find a dopamine hit?

    If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a bootleg stamping on a human ear forever:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB2g3DEh-jc
  125. @Ron Mexico
    Lynwood. Judging from the AAU teams I played against in the 80s and looking at its current population, mostly Latino, probably the same as Compton. Median income $50,000. Most "hoods" in SoCal are on the surface quite appealing when compared to "hoods" that I have spent any amount of time in in the Midwest, Detroit, especially.

    Indeed, Detroit, South Chicago, Gary, East St. Louis have some urban prairies although the backyard alleys of that neighboorhood filmed in the movie “Boyz in the Hood” in the scene where Ricky was shot tell otherwise.

  126. @Steve Sailer
    The 2005 Compton Centennial team that crushed my old high school in the SoCal finals was 75% black and the offensive line was Polynesian. I don't recall any Spanish-surnamed players. Future all-Pro cornerback Richard Sherman didn't particularly stand out among all the talent.

    Compton Centennial is 74% Latino and 25% black with a 50/50 gender split. Are they still a football power. Given the gender split, it does not appear that the school is recruiting football players.

    Also, Dave Campbell’s Texas Football had an article two years ago about how high school football is Texas and California are declining as a place to recruit college players. However, the story failed to mention the changing demographics of the states.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Right 5’7 150 pds or even 6” 200 pds can’t compete with 350 pd blacks. College and professional football are black, just like that hideous music and polyester braids. Ugh
  127. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas.
     
    This comment has all the noxious stench of the Eternal WASP.

    This comment has all the noxious stench of the Eternal WASP.

    Pleased to meet you, mud turtle! Is that smell what I think it is?

    I thought they quit manufacturing “Hai Karate” back in the seventies.

    Ya learn something new every day.

  128. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    some degenerate White hillbilly from West Virginia, or some cross-eyed, inbred two-bit Oakie. Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas.
     
    You've never been to West Virgina, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.
    You are an idiot.

    You’ve never been to West Virgina, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.
    You are an idiot.

    Well, I may be a lot of things, but I’m certainly no ingrate. Thank you for debunking a claim I never made. Being a culturally pure southern californian, I have plenty of experience, and I dareswear a particular sensitivity to the Arkie, and especially Oakie, since many a dustbowl wretch have tie their dying mother down to the hood of their decrepit, stolen Packard, and crawled their way to California to try to learn how to pick fruit.

    While admittedly, too many of them made it over the Sierra Madres in their broken down jalopies, too few of them made it over the far more treacherous embankments of the left side of the Bell Curve, inevitably tumbling back to the death valley of their own dustbowl dumbassery.

    I mean seriously, why would anyone choose to live in Oklahoma who understood the concept of pain like a functioning human? The state is basically Bakersfield, with tornadoes. Who in their right mind would choose to live in that hellpit, unless they couldn’t function on, or conceive of, anywhere else on the planet?

    During the indian wars, Oklahoma basically became a balkanized state. It’s America’s Macedonia. The place where refugee’s on the run deposited their human scum. A dumpsite for those looking to forget their mistakes, and move on. The pile of festering human waste got so big, they just called it, “Oklahoma.”

    Hope this helps.

    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    With apologies to Steve Sailer and Tucker Carlson (a NorCal to SoCal transplant as a young kid), Southern Californian whites are soft and weak. The only reason San Diego and Orange Counties had any decent conservative presence is due to the large current and former military presence in those areas. That vital influx of Americans from other regions in America stemmed the rot for quite a while.

    So it's probably better to have ancestors from hardscrabble flyover country than from Americans too weak to hold some of the most valuable land in the country.

    It actually is rather embarrassing, really.
    , @Faraday's Bobcat
    LOL SoCal is a shithole unless you bought before 1998
    , @Poco
    As I write this I will admit I'm watching a huge thunderstorm roll in. I also will allow that Oklahoma has far fewer silicon valley Pajeet Ramalamathongs, Chink billionaires, wetback anchor babies, hollywood scumsuckers,politically correct sewer politicos, trans faggotry, and sundry other freaks and defectives that make California so golden. Enjoy your non-balkanization.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson Three

    Well, I may be a lot of things, but I’m certainly no ingrate.
     
    Hmm. No one called you an ingrate.

    Thank you for debunking a claim I never made.
     
    His claim was:

    You’ve never been to West Virginia, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.
     
    You had no response, so apparently your antagonist was correct. And if that is the best you can do, you have not risen above the stupid, the inept, and the accident-prone.

    We all hope you do not procreate.
    , @Jim Don Bob

    The state is basically Bakersfield, with tornadoes.
     
    That is hilarious. LOL. Well done.
  129. @Curle
    The additional irony of Greg Hutchinson being the name of the inventor of gangsta rap is the fact that ‘Greg’ was the alleged ‘white’ name used in that ridiculous ‘field study’ a few years ago where employer responses to resumes submitted to newspaper ads where male applicants were divided evenly between applicants named Greg and applicants named DeShawn (or some similar low rent black name) produced an 3% differential, 6/100 for Greg and 3/100 for DeShawn. This 3% differential spawned a nation wide tour of diversity hand-wringers decrying the 100% greater response for white names (Greg) when compared to black names (DeShawn) thus proving racism.

    I guess it also means whites invented gangsta rap?

    Critics rightfully pointed out that Cletus vs DeShawn would have been a better comparison.

    Does any white person actually name their kids “Cletus” anymore outside of cartoons? ‘Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D’Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a “tell” for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate – e.g. John Edwards really name is “Johnny”. Billy, Bob, etc.

    • Replies: @black sea
    I've met one real, actual Cletus in my 60 years. He was from the farm country of South Dakota. Well educated, well read and witty, though quite a gossip and possibly repressed. The only aspect of the stereotype that he conformed to was that he hailed from farm country.
    , @kihowi
    I can tell you what it is in non English speaking countries: English names.

    In my youth, anybody called "Michael" was the kind of filth you wanted to stay away from.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?"

    Bubba. Maybe Bogardus.
    , @GermanReader2
    What about giving your child a name from a popular TV show? I have heard that some Americans have given their daughters the name Khaleesi (from Game of Thrones, this name to me signals stupid parents, because Khaleesi is a title not a name)
    , @Art Deco
    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a “tell” for being lower class?


    I don't think there are any lumpen names, but there is a certain style common in wage-earning families which has northern and Southern variants. Giving your daughter a twee name, especially with a non-standard spelling, is in keeping with this. "Brittany", "Christie", "Brianna", &c. I don't think this is done with male children (or that it was done much at all 50 years ago, at least in the northern United States). Looking at the Social Security site on baby names, this appears to be falling out of fashion (or, perhaps, was never as prevalent as I thought). I see Kaylee is the highest ranking such name, at #46; 'Skylar' is at #67; Brianna, #70; Kylie, #74; Mackenzie, $78; 'Khloe', #82; Aubree, #86; Kayla, #93. Some of the mash ups black women favor are on the list: "Aaliyah", #45; "Neveah", #47; Makayla, #100. You find names which sound like soap opera characters to those of us of a certain vintage: 'Peyton', #59; 'Ashley', #69. "Jasmine" (#97) was, I think, a hippie name 40 years ago and (I'll wager) a black name today.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    There was a thread on the Times Educational Supplement comment boards 15 years back where UK teachers discussed what a kid's name could indicate about their likely classroom behaviour. In those days underclass youth were nicknamed 'chavs'*.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-363230/Chav-names-feared-teachers.html


    The row follows Government research suggesting pupils' names are linked to differing success rates in exams.

    Children with middle-class names such as Katharine and Duncan were up to eight times more likely to pass their GCSEs than Waynes and Dwaines.

    Girls called Katharine were found to have gained the best results with Madeleines coming second.

    In contrast, Waynes, Dwaines, Duanes, Jermaines and Lances came bottom.
     

    Parents naming their kids after soap opera/reality TV characters, alcoholic drinks (one teacher had a Tia Maria in her class, and of course there's Chardonnay) or tacky chart singers is a useful tell.

    * this video by public schoolboys caused a storm, I thought it was funny. What's the music?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9_YhKbrhnY

    , @Anonymous

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a “tell” for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate – e.g. John Edwards really name is “Johnny”. Billy, Bob, etc.
     
    Nicknames of proper names, or the infantilization of a proper name would be a giveaway. I’d you’re over 21, and still go by the name of "Billy," you might be white trash. "Chet" Hanks is a glow-in-dark example. That boy is irredeemable white trash. Also, building your identity off of old timey negro slave culture is an easy giveaway, as "Skweezy" aptly demonstrates:

    https://twitter.com/Skweezy/status/1253764636358242304

    , @Daniel Williams

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a “tell” for being lower class?
     
    I was hanging out in a Salvation Army thrift store a few years ago and heard a white-trash chick call out for her son, Anakin.
    , @Kylie
    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a 'tell' for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate – e.g. John Edwards really name is 'Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc."

    Or Archie.
    , @danand

    “Does any white person actually name their kids “Cletus” anymore outside of cartoons?”
     
    The McFarlands named a son Cleetus, and he became a YouTube personality. He “goofs” with cars and draws roughly as many eyes as a popular show on CNN. Makes a decent living at having fun:

    https://youtu.be/1X35-bGWpEY
  130. @Steve Sailer
    Especially this time of year. Back when I wrote anniversary articles about the 1992 L.A. Riot that started at the end of April, the thing that jumped out at me was that the neighborhoods where it started looked like paradise.

    I know people in OC who are reticent, if not fearful, of going to Santa Ana (same vintage as Compton). I laugh at them. Take the train from NYC to Philly, as it snakes through the ghettos of North Philadelphia. Place looks like Dresden after the air raid.

  131. @Hibernian
    Whether because of White resistance, or Black lack of interest, or more likely both, recruitment of Black men into fire departments, even in very liberal cities such as Chicago, has substantially lagged behind their recruitment into police departments.

    Firefighters, unlike police officers, have to be consistently good at their jobs.

    I had a relative who took the firefighter’s exam in a major metropolitan area, an area where the firefighter ranks get thinned not only by retirements but also by fatalities.

    6 year Army vet, non-com. Combat. Deployed. He scored in the 99th percentile on his Army IQ test.

    Crushed the exam.

    Waited three years to get called in. Too late. He had moved on.

    Affirmative action hires went before him, including some Tanishas.

    Life in the 21st century woke United States.

    • Agree: Alden
  132. @donut
    OT but just because I like it :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph_jg9C8WU0

    When Ahab points to the spot where he will be waiting for Moby Dick, he points to Bikini Atoll. This is an anachronism. In those days it would have been known as Eschscholtz Atoll on Western maps and was only given its current name in 1946 after the Americans took it over.

    It is accurate thought that American whaling ships visited the Marshall Islands during the period when Moby Dick is set (1840s). It’s really crazy that during a period when most people never traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace in their entire life, American whalers were scouring every corner of the globe for lamp oil (while meanwhile there was an incredible quantity of petroleum oil right under their feet).

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    It’s really crazy that during a period when most people never traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace in their entire life, American whalers were scouring every corner of the globe for lamp oil (while meanwhile there was an incredible quantity of petroleum oil right under their feet).
     
    Indeed. To quote Emil Faber, "Knowledge is Good".
    , @anon
    It’s really crazy that during a period when most people never traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace in their entire life, American whalers were scouring every corner of the globe for lamp oil (while meanwhile there was an incredible quantity of petroleum oil right under their feet).

    It was Peak Whale Oil, which led to the total decline of civilization. Or so I read on the Internet.
    , @donut
    I hurriedly checked the chapter in the book "Ahab's logs" and there is no indication or mention of any Isle . So that was just a little dose of Lefty BS . As for myself , I would strike God if he insulted me .
  133. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman, but I do seem to recall a funny exchange from back when, for some odd reason or other, he was getting a tour of a dilapidated negro housing project...

    ANGRY BLACK RESIDENT (pointing): And look over here! There's puddles of urine in the stairwells!

    FRIEDMAN: Okay, but... who urinated in the stairwells?

    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman

    Why does everybody hate this man? He apologized for helping institute income tax withholding– name any other economist who’s owned up to such an error.

    He was proposing UBI before Andrew Yang was born. How to swing that without withholding is a mystery, but he probably realized he had lost that battle.

    He once saw a crew in an East Asian “tiger” country working on a road construction project using shovels. He asked his hosts why they didn’t just employ heavy equipment, which would have been more efficient. They told him it was meant to be a jobs program.

    “In that case, they should be given spoons.”

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    He was proposing UBI before Andrew Yang was born.

    He wasn't. He proposed a negative-income tax, which incorporates different incentives and is not so structured as to provide an income floor for those not employed (which used to be called 'guaranteed income' programs). His idea in so doing was to replace a menu of dole and subsidy programs and avoid perverse incentives which are incorporated into means testing.
    , @The Alarmist

    He once saw a crew in an East Asian “tiger” country working on a road construction project using shovels. He asked his hosts why they didn’t just employ heavy equipment, which would have been more efficient. They told him it was meant to be a jobs program.

    “In that case, they should be given spoons.”
     
    You don't fully appreciate that until you see a squad of people trimming a lawn with scissors.
  134. @Curle
    Think Gangsta rap was created by an Compton thug named Dre or Snoop? Try a mild mannered Pomona kid named Gregory Hutchinson from an illustrious musical family.

    “My dad is Richard Hutch, who was one of his writers and producers. My dad wrote for the Jacksons, he wrote for the Miracles, he wrote for the Commodores, and he wrote for Willie Hutch. He was a writer and producer as well. My uncle was the artist.”

    Gregory founded the rap group Above the Law and produced the first gangsta rap album, Black Mafia, one year before Dr Dre ripped him off. Here’s an article covering the matter, and below the progenitor of a song and style stolen by Dre on his ‘groundbreaking’ G rap album The Chronic.

    https://www.complex.com/music/2017/07/the-inventor-of-g-funk-interview

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9MzdnHxfng

    Dre was great. So catchy. I loved 2001; both the songs where he brags about blacks committing crimes, and the songs where he complains about cops assuming blacks commit crimes.

    • LOL: Daniel Williams
    • Replies: @Inverness
    Rap music themes in a nutshell; just add endless braggadocio about sexual prowess and desirability.
  135. @Anonymous
    I played football at Samohi and we played against some of the compton and inglewood schools.

    I remember the first time we went somewhere like Centennial our coaches told us we were going to use the buddy system to keep track of each other at all times.
    I thought they were kidding but they were definitely not.

    I usually had no issues with my fellow student-athletes but some of the shit talk from their brothers/cousins/uncles/whatever could get a little inappropriate in terms of adults using threatening language in a way that was not....not believable.

    Playing high school football in the hood is an experience.


    Samohi, a truly diverse school. The football team didnt look like my classroooms (i shared one but not the other with stephen miller).

    Samohi, a truly diverse school. The football team didnt look like my classroooms (i shared one but not the other with stephen miller).

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that Stephen Miller was not on the football team.

    • LOL: Meretricious
    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson Three

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that Stephen Miller was not on the football team.
     
    You know, you have so many good posts that it is difficult to choose one on which to click the "Agree" button, or in this case the "LOL" button, and other times the "Thanks" button.

    Good one, Another Dad, among many.
    , @anonymous
    nb: this is how Stephen Miller became Stephen Miller.

    There are tons of kids like Stephen Miller at elite colleges trying to get jobs as Congressional aides like Stephen Miller did. Jewish, upper middle class, politically ambitious.

    Stephen Miller happened to go to one of the rare high schools that has both a large number of upper middle class Jews and "diversity." He was radicalized by his alienating experience at a public school in a way that I would assume his parents weren't even aware of--Santa Monica is a very expensive school district but for quirks of LA school district politics the population of Santa Monica high school has only a *minority* of people like Stephen Miller's parents who can afford to actually live in Santa Monica.

    So, it is an unusual thing where it's not like a white flight suburb where the public school is all upper middle class or the urban thing where rich kids just go to private schools. I mean, plenty of Miller's peers and mine did go to private schools (Brentwood, Harvard-Westlake, etc.) but we didn't. It's a big school so there was a big cohort of upper middle class kids. But we were still literally a minority. I think that puts our school in a very narrow, specific niche.

    David Cole is another LA Jew who got redpilled by LA public schools but according to him he went to an outright ghetto school, which is of course its own experience. Samohi was truly diverse and if you felt alienated from minorities there would be plenty of other rich Jewish kids among whom you could sequester yourself and observe the fruits of diversity.

  136. @Jack D
    Does any white person actually name their kids "Cletus" anymore outside of cartoons? 'Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D'Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a "tell" for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate - e.g. John Edwards really name is "Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc.

    I’ve met one real, actual Cletus in my 60 years. He was from the farm country of South Dakota. Well educated, well read and witty, though quite a gossip and possibly repressed. The only aspect of the stereotype that he conformed to was that he hailed from farm country.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    I’ve met one real, actual Cletus in my 60 years. He was from the farm country of South Dakota. Well educated, well read and witty, though quite a gossip and possibly repressed. The only aspect of the stereotype that he conformed to was that he hailed from farm country.


    Of the circa 20,000 people who have played Major League baseball, just one was named Cletus; the immortal Cletus Elwood (Boots) Poffenberger. He was a drinking mans drinking man.
  137. @Jack D
    When Ahab points to the spot where he will be waiting for Moby Dick, he points to Bikini Atoll. This is an anachronism. In those days it would have been known as Eschscholtz Atoll on Western maps and was only given its current name in 1946 after the Americans took it over.

    It is accurate thought that American whaling ships visited the Marshall Islands during the period when Moby Dick is set (1840s). It's really crazy that during a period when most people never traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace in their entire life, American whalers were scouring every corner of the globe for lamp oil (while meanwhile there was an incredible quantity of petroleum oil right under their feet).

    It’s really crazy that during a period when most people never traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace in their entire life, American whalers were scouring every corner of the globe for lamp oil (while meanwhile there was an incredible quantity of petroleum oil right under their feet).

    Indeed. To quote Emil Faber, “Knowledge is Good”.

  138. @Hibernian
    Whether because of White resistance, or Black lack of interest, or more likely both, recruitment of Black men into fire departments, even in very liberal cities such as Chicago, has substantially lagged behind their recruitment into police departments.

    Black lack of interest

    You left out lack of ability to pass fire fighting civil service tests, no matter how dumbed down they had to make them to satisfy the courts.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  139. @GermanReader2

    The uncomfortable corollary to the idea that the worst thing for blacks is to grow up and live around other blacks is that it might be better for society as a whole to geographically assimilate blacks as widely as possible.
     
    I agree, that it is the worst thing for blacks to grow up and live around other blacks. But I do not see, why Whites, Asians and Hispanics should be made to live around blacks and suffer crime, bad schools, noise, dirt etc. in order to dillute black dysfunction. If blacks wanted to live in cleaner and safer neighbourhoods, they could vote in a major, who favors tough-on-crime-policies. The fact, that they don't do it, tells me, that they prefer the status quo to a safer neighbourhood, but with a higher number of their men getting locked up. Additionally, if blacks lived in nearly all-black neighbourhoods, then it would also be a lot harder for them to cry racism all the time, because the police, city hall and the schools would have blacks in charge.

    I also do not think, that society as a whole would be better off. In one article I read about Section 8 (American murder mystery, The Atlantic), it said, that crime overall ROSE after knocking down the local projects and dispensing the inhabitants in white working class neighbourhoods, because a lot of youngsters from the projects, who had been scared of competing with the tougher criminals in the projects, took on crime in the formerly mostly law-abiding suburbs.

    In my opinion, a really big problem with public policy in the last 50 years (on a local, national and even international stage) is that it subsidizes/rewards bad behaviour (and punishes good behaviour) and therefore increases the prevalence of bad behaviour.
    Here are some examples:
    -the residents of high-crime and otherwise dysfunctional neighbourhoods get vouchers (Section 8) to move to neighbourhoods with more law-abiding inhabitants and promptly raise the chance of the more law-abiding people to become victims of crime
    -welfare-payments enable reckless people to have a large number of children. The money for the welfare-payments is taken from provident people and decreases their fertility, even though they should be the ones having kids.
    -third-world countries can throw out productive minorites (e.g. white farmers in Africa etc.), because they know, that the UN is going to ship food there, once the agricultural production collapses (for the rulers of these countries it often increases their power, when their country turns into a sh*thole)
    -wrecking your country increases your chances of becoming a permanent resident of a rich Western country, because you can become a "refugee" and even if you are in the country illegally, you are not allowed to be sent back
    -gays gained a lot of special rights, when their out-of-this-world-promiscuity greatly exarcerbated the AIDS-epidemic and led to the death of other people nor part of the "lifestyle" (healthcare-workers, hemophiliacs)

    This list is not exhaustive, just what came to my mind on short notice. In my opinion, it is one of the biggest challenges in politics right now to not shelter from the negative consequences of their own destructive behaviours any longer.

    In short:
    If you want less of something: tax it.
    If you want more of something: subsidize it.

    • Agree: Dtbb
  140. @Jack D
    Does any white person actually name their kids "Cletus" anymore outside of cartoons? 'Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D'Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a "tell" for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate - e.g. John Edwards really name is "Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc.

    I can tell you what it is in non English speaking countries: English names.

    In my youth, anybody called “Michael” was the kind of filth you wanted to stay away from.

  141. Sweden cannot expel serial rapist because he’s a “refugee”
    https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/04/sweden-cant-expel-migrant-serial-rapist/

    [MORE]

    Sahabu, now 29, originally came to Sweden as a refugee. In addition to theft, drug offences, and other crimes, he has a string of sexual offences to his name as well. In the summer of 2015, he attempted to rape a man on a train in central Stockholm. In November 2017, he attempted to sexually assault a woman on a train, but was prevented by police officers. And in February of this year, he groped an 11-year-old girl’s legs and harassed other women at Stockholm Central Station before being arrested.

    In the most recent incident, Sahabu assaulted a woman on a night bus going to Arlanda Airport on the night of February 10. The woman, 55, is deaf and partially blind, as well as being physically disabled. While she was on her way to catch a flight to visit her boyfriend, Sahabu attempted to undress her, and then forcibly kissed, grabbed, and fondled her, and finally forced the woman to take his genitals into her mouth, according to a report by Fria Tider. Although there were several other passengers on the bus, no one intervened. Another man on the bus high-fived him after the incident.

    The previous night, Sahabu and a companion had gone to the Elite Stora hotel in central Orebro, where he attempted to sexually assault the female night receptionist. He was only prevented by the intervention of another staff member and a guest, who chased the pair away.

    On Friday, Sahabu was sentenced to two years and nine months’ imprisonment by the Örebro District Court for both assaults, as well as for theft and drug offences.

    Sahabu has not acquired Swedish citizenship and has no family in Sweden, and yet the authorities still cannot deport him. Allen Saruchanjan Sinelnikov, the prosecutor who dealt with Sahabu’s most recent conviction, explained to Fria Tider that it’s not possible to expel him because he arrived in Sweden before he turned 15, and because he was a refugee.

    “There are legal limitations as to when you can get someone expelled and when you can’t,” Sinelnikov said. “I wanted to do it, but it’s not possible.”

    The inability to deport migrant serial offenders is a serious problem in Sweden. Earlier this month, a 40-year-old Somali migrant was charged with raping a 12-year-old girl in a park in Norrkoping.

  142. @Not My Economy

    Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.
     
    Ummmmmmmmmmm

    Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.

    Ummmmmmmmmmm

    Spot on NME. That popped for me too.

    “Most unjust”? What a bizarre comment, from someone who claims to be a social observer.

    I grew up as an 80%er. (My dad an engineer at what Steve refers to as a “major packaged goods company”. ) 80%ers are the productive core, the public spirited, the folks who carry society forward.

    Even most of the folks–inventors, scientists, engineers–who figure out improvements and really move the ball downfield don’t crack the 1%. Some 1% are there because of true “moved the ball forward” work. But most just through hustle and often connections and/or luck. (Someone has to win.)

    In contrast, even among white people, when you’re down to the 20%ers, they really are pretty mediocre. Either quite limited in capability or ill-disciplined. They are not the dregs but they are not contributing. They live off the capability of the 80%ers. (And that’s among whites. America is no longer overwhelmingly white and the mean capability of its minority population is much worse.)

    In contrast to the somewhat random quality of who’s in the 1%, the 80-20 split is pretty clearly “just”. Some people are just quite a bit more capable, disciplined and productive than other people.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    I agree that it's a dumb remark from Brooks, but he means top 20/bottom 80, not top 80/bottom 20.
  143. @R.G. Camara
    OK grandpa.

    I don't like rap myself, but its a popular genre amongst the kiddies, and has been for decades. Get over it, its got staying power.

    Yes it does have staying power, and especially since the record companies control the game and making sure it stays that way for as long as it can. Make no mistake, IF a new musical genre came about and started dwarfing rap’s music sales, then it’d be so long rappa, don’t want to know ya.

    Btw, nationally at least, country music has always equalled if not outsold rap in total unit (track, album, etc). The country artists consistently tour better and are more profitable than rap. This is in no small part due to the fact that country music as a genre is way more family friendly than rap, can be marketed to all demographics across the board, and thus receives more mainstream recognition and radio airplay. Like hip hop, pop, and dance, modern country music greatly appeals to women (obviously it appeals to men, but as with most music genres, women are the bulk of the consumers).

    Because gangsta is the most popular form of commercial rap, it is somewhat limiting in its marketing. Example: it can at times be perceived as misogynistic where few, if any country artists are seldom viewed in that light. The swagger in both country and rap are different. Part of marketed rap swag is to hate on stuff (police, women, etc). Part of marketed country swag is to appeal to families, timeless values, etc. Even the videos are differently marketed. At worst, a country music video is PG, or PG-13 with a wink and a nod to maybe something a bit racier. Rap videos start around PG-13 borderline R, and attempt to crank it up a notch.

    But country music total sales in the US as a profitable genre for record labels equals or outperforms rap by miles. Always has as its the one genre that can be played on about 99% of the music formats and in 99% of all US metros (except for of course urban or black radio. And there are very few blacks that listen to much less care about and like country music). Country saturates the mainstream music market across the board, which can never be said that way for rap.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Oddly enough, rappers today tend to be improvisation-averse and uncomfortable on stage. Frequently, a rap "concert" will consist of the dude on stage mumbling over the studio track (complete with the studio vocals.)

    On the other hand, country singers still want good musicians behind them--part of this is the less electronic much more acoustic nature of country, part I think is just cultural expectation. Anyway, there are still a lot of country instrumentalists who care about their craft and know how to make things come out well in a live situation.

    , @Curle
    “there are very few blacks that listen to much less care about and like country music”

    True, but when they do they can be great. Arthur Alexander was considered an country act.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqwgrLj_j0M

  144. @Jack D
    Does any white person actually name their kids "Cletus" anymore outside of cartoons? 'Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D'Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a "tell" for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate - e.g. John Edwards really name is "Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc.

    “If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?”

    Bubba. Maybe Bogardus.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Do people actually name their kids Bubba on their birth certificates? I've never met a living human being named Bogardus. Maybe some people have this as a birth name but they go by some other name. Wasn't Bogardus once an old and distinguished NY Dutch surname? Why would a lower class person name their kid Bogardus?
    , @Bill Jones
    In England Kevin is pretty good clue.
    You can normally get odds of about 5,000 to 1 that up-coming Royal Sprogs won't be so labeled.
  145. GermanReader2 [AKA "GermanReader2_new"] says:
    @Jack D
    Does any white person actually name their kids "Cletus" anymore outside of cartoons? 'Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D'Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a "tell" for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate - e.g. John Edwards really name is "Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc.

    What about giving your child a name from a popular TV show? I have heard that some Americans have given their daughters the name Khaleesi (from Game of Thrones, this name to me signals stupid parents, because Khaleesi is a title not a name)

  146. anon[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @Redman
    I'm 50 and was a huge rap fan when it was just taking off in the late 1980s. Yo MTV Raps! was a seminal show when I was in college. But rap took a big fall (as did most popular music) the day Napster came.

    That's the real "Day the Music Died." Music labels had to switch their paradigm to creating more "superstars" to sell to the part of the public that still bought discs (pre-teen girls and their parents). The market became one more for "star personalities" not music, e.g. Puff Daddy, Jay-Z, Drake, etc.

    Most popular music today is essentially derivative (tweaking old styles of one form or another in a pastiche). You're correct that a form of rap has staying power, but it pales in comparison to the rappers of the late 1980s and early 1990s who really pushed the genre with new styles, sampling and electronic instruments.

    None of this is to say that there aren't creative musicians out there experimenting with new sounds and textures. But none of that music has a place in the current market, making it unlikely it will ever reach a broader audience like in the pre-internet days.

    I’m 50 and was a huge rap fan when it was just taking off in the late 1980s. Yo MTV Raps! was a seminal show when I was in college.

    My Boomer co-worker snorted at your comment, sighed, rolled his eyes, then muttered that “MTV CRaps” was the beginning of the end for actual music vids on cable. He also said that back then it was like someone flipped a switch back then in the music world. Click! and rap went from “stuff on one or two radio stations” to “stuff everywhere all the time”. YO, MTV CONSPIRACY!

    I asked him if he’d ever hear of Bernays, he had not. Most people have not. Probably coincidence.

    Most popular music today is essentially derivative (tweaking twerking old styles of one form or another in a pastiche).

    Fixed.

  147. anon[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    When Ahab points to the spot where he will be waiting for Moby Dick, he points to Bikini Atoll. This is an anachronism. In those days it would have been known as Eschscholtz Atoll on Western maps and was only given its current name in 1946 after the Americans took it over.

    It is accurate thought that American whaling ships visited the Marshall Islands during the period when Moby Dick is set (1840s). It's really crazy that during a period when most people never traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace in their entire life, American whalers were scouring every corner of the globe for lamp oil (while meanwhile there was an incredible quantity of petroleum oil right under their feet).

    It’s really crazy that during a period when most people never traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace in their entire life, American whalers were scouring every corner of the globe for lamp oil (while meanwhile there was an incredible quantity of petroleum oil right under their feet).

    It was Peak Whale Oil, which led to the total decline of civilization. Or so I read on the Internet.

  148. @R.G. Camara
    Related:

    As I get older, I am amazed about how grown adults buy the kayfabe nonsense that comes out of Hollywood about celebrities personal stories. I mean, I assume low-IQ types can be fooled, but I've met a lot of people of middle and High IQ who buy that NWA were hardcore gangsters, that every dude with a cowboy hat singing with a twang grew up on farms, that some celebrity's hard-luck story is completely true and not designed to boost their image, that some politician's well-worn anecdote is absolutely true.

    I mean, I get it for teens, this is their first time around, they have no experience with it. But after that, you've seen this sort of PR nonsense enough, you should be smelling b.s.

    I can't tell you how many grown, intelligent SWPL adults who are into rap are shocked when I laugh at the idea of NWA being tough guys and inform them they were middle class music geeks/losers without any criminal proclivities, except Easy E, who was a minor high school drug dealing loser. The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    A lot of people don't like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people's minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    You think that’s bad. You oughtta see how they react when you tell them that all, all professional sports is fixed and all, all of them are on steroids. You’d think the sky had fallen.

  149. @Anonymous
    Rap 'music'?

    I would rather endure the flatulence of 1000 thousand cabbage fed warthogs. Or even worse the collected speeches of Tony Blair.
    Talking of warthog flatulence not only is the 'content' a damn sight better than 'rap' but so is the musicality, I mean it even has advanced to the level of changes in pitch and meter, the stacatto to the harmonic. Something that 'rap' either cannot or will not advance to.

    Keep it up, fellow boomer. We’re one more geezer shaking his fist and declaring “that’s not music!” away from victory.

    In all seriousness, this misses the point. If rap was “good music” and still did what it does–turning women into hoes and boys into bros–then I would still want it to die.

    In fact I do still “like” rap music and see musical value in it. But I’d give it up tomorrow to be rid of its effect.

    People mistake artistic or aesthetic good with moral good. It sucks they aren’t the same. But they aren’t.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    In fact I do still “like” rap music and see musical value in it.

    It has no musical value whatsoever.
    , @Bardon Kaldian

    In fact I do still “like” rap music and see musical value in it.
     
    Interesting. I've, actually, never listened to a single rap song in its entirety. It has nothing to do with morals.

    It's just, in my opinion, a noise crap.

    By the way, punk is also crap & boring. And the same goes for most "popular" music (techno & other nonsense). It's just mindless noise, nothing more.

    Of course, I may be wrong.
    , @danand

    “People mistake artistic or aesthetic good with moral good. It sucks they aren’t the same. But they aren’t.”
     
    Some thought or think of it as the anthem/movie of their generation:

    https://youtu.be/Iw5BiCxOR-c
    , @danand

    “People mistake artistic or aesthetic good with moral good. It sucks they aren’t the same. But they aren’t.”
     
    Some thought or think of it as the anthem/movie of their generation:

    https://youtu.be/Iw5BiCxOR-c
  150. @Arclight
    Yep. A lot of the run-down apartment housing you see pointed out as evidence of discrimination got that way because management just could not keep up with the abuse meted out through both malicious and indifferent tenants. Having a fair amount of experience in this area, I learned early on that money spent on new playgrounds and landscaping is a guaranteed waste - residents will destroy it it in short order, and any common areas need to be made as durable and low maintenance as possible. And it's not even that the majority of them participate, it's that they just sit idly by while others wreck it. There is no social pressure applied to keep things up for the common good.

    As Mr. Sailer has pointed out, in the future blacks will marvel at the fact that for awhile they were in control of some of the best real estate in various major cities but let it get away from them because they let it get run down to the point that cities were desperate for developers to swoop in and scoop up huge chunks at bargain prices for redevelopment and demographic replacement. For sure there are a number of blacks in these neighborhoods that watch what goes on with quiet shame, but the pressure not to call out others is immense.

    the pressure not to call out others is immense.

    That seems almost to be universal

    Look what happens to Beckys.

  151. @Jack D
    Does any white person actually name their kids "Cletus" anymore outside of cartoons? 'Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D'Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a "tell" for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate - e.g. John Edwards really name is "Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc.

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a “tell” for being lower class?

    I don’t think there are any lumpen names, but there is a certain style common in wage-earning families which has northern and Southern variants. Giving your daughter a twee name, especially with a non-standard spelling, is in keeping with this. “Brittany”, “Christie”, “Brianna”, &c. I don’t think this is done with male children (or that it was done much at all 50 years ago, at least in the northern United States). Looking at the Social Security site on baby names, this appears to be falling out of fashion (or, perhaps, was never as prevalent as I thought). I see Kaylee is the highest ranking such name, at #46; ‘Skylar’ is at #67; Brianna, #70; Kylie, #74; Mackenzie, $78; ‘Khloe’, #82; Aubree, #86; Kayla, #93. Some of the mash ups black women favor are on the list: “Aaliyah”, #45; “Neveah”, #47; Makayla, #100. You find names which sound like soap opera characters to those of us of a certain vintage: ‘Peyton’, #59; ‘Ashley’, #69. “Jasmine” (#97) was, I think, a hippie name 40 years ago and (I’ll wager) a black name today.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    The Social Security Administration's annual name list is due out a week from Friday. Expect royal jumps for Louis and Archie, the latter having reëntered the top 1000 last year after a 30-year absence. (Charlotte had already been in our top ten when the Princess was born.)

    Another one to watch is Mabel. Seriously. She was also absent for decades, but has reappeared and is now at her highest ranking since 1946. Must be the influence of Gravity Falls.


    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55e085fde4b05ea7f420a26e/1525738569278-FCKGZ7OU5T7R5LG1QL3P/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kL9QQ-CpV8b4r1-dTk0VUQMUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8N_N4V1vUb5AoIIIbLZhVYxCRW4BPu10St3TBAUQYVKcC5CbcrWfqWGubiBEwvN9fuLygBHk8Nlfbu0WEK5vBYEduUrscvoEc10m_STS96T2/Dipper-and-Mabel-Pines.jpg
    , @A1
    For a boy Jaxson
  152. @Reg Cæsar

    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman
     
    Why does everybody hate this man? He apologized for helping institute income tax withholding-- name any other economist who's owned up to such an error.

    He was proposing UBI before Andrew Yang was born. How to swing that without withholding is a mystery, but he probably realized he had lost that battle.

    He once saw a crew in an East Asian "tiger" country working on a road construction project using shovels. He asked his hosts why they didn't just employ heavy equipment, which would have been more efficient. They told him it was meant to be a jobs program.

    "In that case, they should be given spoons."

    He was proposing UBI before Andrew Yang was born.

    He wasn’t. He proposed a negative-income tax, which incorporates different incentives and is not so structured as to provide an income floor for those not employed (which used to be called ‘guaranteed income’ programs). His idea in so doing was to replace a menu of dole and subsidy programs and avoid perverse incentives which are incorporated into means testing.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    meaningless distinction
  153. @Dennis Dale
    Keep it up, fellow boomer. We're one more geezer shaking his fist and declaring "that's not music!" away from victory.

    In all seriousness, this misses the point. If rap was "good music" and still did what it does--turning women into hoes and boys into bros--then I would still want it to die.

    In fact I do still "like" rap music and see musical value in it. But I'd give it up tomorrow to be rid of its effect.

    People mistake artistic or aesthetic good with moral good. It sucks they aren't the same. But they aren't.

    In fact I do still “like” rap music and see musical value in it.

    It has no musical value whatsoever.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    My point called to say it misses you too.
  154. @anonymous

    You’ve never been to West Virgina, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.
    You are an idiot.
     
    Well, I may be a lot of things, but I'm certainly no ingrate. Thank you for debunking a claim I never made. Being a culturally pure southern californian, I have plenty of experience, and I dareswear a particular sensitivity to the Arkie, and especially Oakie, since many a dustbowl wretch have tie their dying mother down to the hood of their decrepit, stolen Packard, and crawled their way to California to try to learn how to pick fruit.

    While admittedly, too many of them made it over the Sierra Madres in their broken down jalopies, too few of them made it over the far more treacherous embankments of the left side of the Bell Curve, inevitably tumbling back to the death valley of their own dustbowl dumbassery.

    I mean seriously, why would anyone choose to live in Oklahoma who understood the concept of pain like a functioning human? The state is basically Bakersfield, with tornadoes. Who in their right mind would choose to live in that hellpit, unless they couldn't function on, or conceive of, anywhere else on the planet?

    During the indian wars, Oklahoma basically became a balkanized state. It's America's Macedonia. The place where refugee's on the run deposited their human scum. A dumpsite for those looking to forget their mistakes, and move on. The pile of festering human waste got so big, they just called it, "Oklahoma."

    Hope this helps.

    With apologies to Steve Sailer and Tucker Carlson (a NorCal to SoCal transplant as a young kid), Southern Californian whites are soft and weak. The only reason San Diego and Orange Counties had any decent conservative presence is due to the large current and former military presence in those areas. That vital influx of Americans from other regions in America stemmed the rot for quite a while.

    So it’s probably better to have ancestors from hardscrabble flyover country than from Americans too weak to hold some of the most valuable land in the country.

    It actually is rather embarrassing, really.

  155. @International Jew
    What Canadian pogroms?

    What Canadian pogroms?

    Le Grand Dérangement des Acadiens.

  156. @Reg Cæsar

    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman
     
    Why does everybody hate this man? He apologized for helping institute income tax withholding-- name any other economist who's owned up to such an error.

    He was proposing UBI before Andrew Yang was born. How to swing that without withholding is a mystery, but he probably realized he had lost that battle.

    He once saw a crew in an East Asian "tiger" country working on a road construction project using shovels. He asked his hosts why they didn't just employ heavy equipment, which would have been more efficient. They told him it was meant to be a jobs program.

    "In that case, they should be given spoons."

    He once saw a crew in an East Asian “tiger” country working on a road construction project using shovels. He asked his hosts why they didn’t just employ heavy equipment, which would have been more efficient. They told him it was meant to be a jobs program.

    “In that case, they should be given spoons.”

    You don’t fully appreciate that until you see a squad of people trimming a lawn with scissors.

  157. @Art Deco
    In fact I do still “like” rap music and see musical value in it.

    It has no musical value whatsoever.

    My point called to say it misses you too.

    • LOL: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    Can you believe I made that line up on the fly? Sometimes I impress me--and I'm not impressed by anything.

    Seriously, you should read my rap story--you'll like it:

    http://dennisdale.blogspot.com/2020/04/day-of-red-eye.html
    , @Art Deco
    Your point is of no value.
  158. @Art Deco
    He was proposing UBI before Andrew Yang was born.

    He wasn't. He proposed a negative-income tax, which incorporates different incentives and is not so structured as to provide an income floor for those not employed (which used to be called 'guaranteed income' programs). His idea in so doing was to replace a menu of dole and subsidy programs and avoid perverse incentives which are incorporated into means testing.

    meaningless distinction

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Disagree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    No it isn't.
    , @ben tillman
    No, the difference is significant.
  159. @guest007
    Compton Centennial is 74% Latino and 25% black with a 50/50 gender split. Are they still a football power. Given the gender split, it does not appear that the school is recruiting football players.

    Also, Dave Campbell's Texas Football had an article two years ago about how high school football is Texas and California are declining as a place to recruit college players. However, the story failed to mention the changing demographics of the states.

    Right 5’7 150 pds or even 6” 200 pds can’t compete with 350 pd blacks. College and professional football are black, just like that hideous music and polyester braids. Ugh

  160. @R.G. Camara
    Related:

    As I get older, I am amazed about how grown adults buy the kayfabe nonsense that comes out of Hollywood about celebrities personal stories. I mean, I assume low-IQ types can be fooled, but I've met a lot of people of middle and High IQ who buy that NWA were hardcore gangsters, that every dude with a cowboy hat singing with a twang grew up on farms, that some celebrity's hard-luck story is completely true and not designed to boost their image, that some politician's well-worn anecdote is absolutely true.

    I mean, I get it for teens, this is their first time around, they have no experience with it. But after that, you've seen this sort of PR nonsense enough, you should be smelling b.s.

    I can't tell you how many grown, intelligent SWPL adults who are into rap are shocked when I laugh at the idea of NWA being tough guys and inform them they were middle class music geeks/losers without any criminal proclivities, except Easy E, who was a minor high school drug dealing loser. The denial from them is palatable and venomous.

    A lot of people don't like to think critically about their cultural heroes, and build worlds around such lies. Hollywood lies control a significant portion of many, many intelligent people's minds. Whatever happened to question everything?

    Rappers … their cultural heroes?

    We’re not doomed, pace John Derbyshire, because “doomed” implies a fate reserved for the future, and therefore avoidable.

    The doom has come and gone, and we are over and done with.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  161. @Dennis Dale
    My point called to say it misses you too.

    Can you believe I made that line up on the fly? Sometimes I impress me–and I’m not impressed by anything.

    Seriously, you should read my rap story–you’ll like it:

    http://dennisdale.blogspot.com/2020/04/day-of-red-eye.html

  162. @Anonymous
    Uh... in the seventies, Compton was a "no go" area for white folks. I played on the football team at my high school, I recall when we had to play a night game as visitors at Compton High, our busses had a four car police escort, with lights but no siren, so we didn’t have to obey stop lights coming in, or going out. Every time our team had to go there it was fucking intense, especially heading home after we won a game.

    Whenever Compton High played a night game at our school, police presence was tripled, and damned if a visiting Comptonite booster didn’t pull off a successful strong-armed robbery or purse snatching in one of the parking lots after the game, despite the heavy police presence.

    I know there were many relatively sedate, successful middle-class black communities in the South. Compton did not reflect that black workin' joe mentality.. The city was pretty crazy, and dangerous, when it was majority black. Once the Latino’s literally ran them out, crime dropped dramatically, and most recently, they reopened MLK Hospital. The first California hospital opened and run by blacks, that went bankrupt. I understand it’s doing very well now, since it’s been deblacked. What they have left of a black city council has a long history of almost comical corruption.

    Anyway, I think the conclusion drawn by the writer might not be very well informed, and if his visit was recent, then he is leaving out the Latino-led very successful pogroms against blacks over the last 20 years, and the results tied to that. He’s either ignorant, or not honest.

    MLK hospital didn’t go bankrupt. It was closed by the health authorities because of so many deaths from affirmative action malpractice. It was a big deal at the time. The big hospital certification agency wanted to close MLK hospital for years. But the blacks had enough political power to keep the literal death trap open.

    It’s a perfect example of affirmative action in action.

  163. @Colin Wright
    '...Compton is now mostly Latino...'

    And we get to the actual explanation.

    Brooks has made a lucrative career out of being an MSM token RINO. However, he seems to be transitioning his brand to that of a vapid “up with people” hopey-changey virtue signaler.

    His drive-by analysis of Compton is pretty typical: “I landed in LAX and drove through Watts (as fast as I could), and then talked to ‘some people’ in Compton. Now I’ve got it all figured out . . . being a separate city and having a separate layer of political bureaucracy will fix everything! It’s all about community spirit and having a can-do attitude!”

    BTW, Chetty’s tax data wouldn’t include the race of the return-filers, so he must be extrapolating/making up any race-specific conclusions about how blacks fare in multi-ethnic communities like Compton.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    '... BTW, Chetty’s tax data wouldn’t include the race of the return-filers, so he must be extrapolating/making up any race-specific conclusions about how blacks fare in multi-ethnic communities like Compton.'

    One is bitterly amused to realize that Brooks probably genuinely wouldn't differentiate between Mexicans and Blacks.

    Mexicans are...Mexicans, but they're alright. I've lived with them -- and didn't mind. Can't say the same for blacks.

    , @Steve Sailer
    Chetty has recently figured out the race of his tax returns from some other database, such as Social Security. He is indefatigable.
    , @duncsbaby
    David Brooks might be the very definition of a cuck.

    https://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/david-brooks-anne-snyder-3.jpg
  164. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Chetty and Brooks are confused by reality. That is because their mental model of reality is false. It’s too bad the Catholic church finally got around to accepting the reality of the heliocentric solar system, because Chetty would make a perfect researcher into epi-epi-epi-epi-epi-epicycles and Brooks would be his BFF 4 EVAH cheerleader.

    When Chetty gets down to the really detailed level where he’s pulling everyone’s house plans so that he can determine “success” on a room-by-room basis, we will have arrived at the perfect world, I am so sure.

  165. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas.
     
    This comment has all the noxious stench of the Eternal WASP.

    As an eternal but Catholic WASP, I have to say that I was utterly charmed by what I saw the one time I drove through Arkansas. I loved the many churches of the different Protestant sects, I admired the cleanliness and the real beauty of the hilly country to the north-west of Little Rock (I had driven down from Topeka), and I discovered, to my own surprise and confusion, that I was deeply impressed and moved by what I believe is called “country western”. It was immediately clear to me that this was the real folk music of a real, well, Volk, and that an attitude of disdain was morally impossible for a champion of white civilisation. Besides, much it was very good.

    It’s not all Bach or Wagner – however quickly I returned to both.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  166. @Dennis Dale
    My point called to say it misses you too.

    Your point is of no value.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Your point is of no value.
     
    If I remember high-school geometry, points have position but not value. Or perhaps I got that from reading Flatland.



    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/201/201-h/images/ill_intro.png
  167. @Dennis Dale
    meaningless distinction

    No it isn’t.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    Oh thank God. I thought you'd deploy the "I am rubber you are glue..." defense. This is much better.

    Seriously, it's a child who cannot allow himself to recognize the seductive nature of his enemy. Hip hop culture needs to die. You think you're going to kill it with a wave of your hand? Besides "no musical value" would be mere noise (I know, I know, "but it is just noise"). It has beat, developed rhythm, melody. Obviously there's "musical value" in there--if not moral value.

    Things are complicated.

    People are being seduced en masse by this shit. I could turn away and pretend it's not happening, but I'm pretty sure that's how we boomers effed everything up in the first place. I'd rather get down in the dirt with the pigs. You can watch and heckle from the sidelines.

    What you're involved in here is denial. It's no help at all.

  168. @Arclight
    Yep. A lot of the run-down apartment housing you see pointed out as evidence of discrimination got that way because management just could not keep up with the abuse meted out through both malicious and indifferent tenants. Having a fair amount of experience in this area, I learned early on that money spent on new playgrounds and landscaping is a guaranteed waste - residents will destroy it it in short order, and any common areas need to be made as durable and low maintenance as possible. And it's not even that the majority of them participate, it's that they just sit idly by while others wreck it. There is no social pressure applied to keep things up for the common good.

    As Mr. Sailer has pointed out, in the future blacks will marvel at the fact that for awhile they were in control of some of the best real estate in various major cities but let it get away from them because they let it get run down to the point that cities were desperate for developers to swoop in and scoop up huge chunks at bargain prices for redevelopment and demographic replacement. For sure there are a number of blacks in these neighborhoods that watch what goes on with quiet shame, but the pressure not to call out others is immense.

    “As Mr. Sailer has pointed out, in the future blacks will marvel at the fact that for awhile they were in control of some of the best real estate in various major cities but let it get away from them”

    There’s no evidence that blacks possess the self awareness to make such an observation after the fact. When has the negro, as a group or an individual, looked back upon his poor decisions and said “Man, I wish I had done that differently!” I’m going to get a cup of coffee while I wait for my answer.

    I would no more expect a raccoon to feel regret about infesting the attic of a really nice house.

    *This is my one allowed comment of the day, courtesy of free speech champion Ron Unz.

    • Replies: @Thomm

    *This is my one allowed comment of the day, courtesy of free speech champion Ron Unz.
     
    Yet, I am allowed to post freely.

    Heh heh heh heh
  169. @Dennis Dale
    Keep it up, fellow boomer. We're one more geezer shaking his fist and declaring "that's not music!" away from victory.

    In all seriousness, this misses the point. If rap was "good music" and still did what it does--turning women into hoes and boys into bros--then I would still want it to die.

    In fact I do still "like" rap music and see musical value in it. But I'd give it up tomorrow to be rid of its effect.

    People mistake artistic or aesthetic good with moral good. It sucks they aren't the same. But they aren't.

    In fact I do still “like” rap music and see musical value in it.

    Interesting. I’ve, actually, never listened to a single rap song in its entirety. It has nothing to do with morals.

    It’s just, in my opinion, a noise crap.

    By the way, punk is also crap & boring. And the same goes for most “popular” music (techno & other nonsense). It’s just mindless noise, nothing more.

    Of course, I may be wrong.

  170. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Watch at 19:20. The politics of illegal immigration.

    Channel has some good movies.

  171. @Art Deco
    No it isn't.

    Oh thank God. I thought you’d deploy the “I am rubber you are glue…” defense. This is much better.

    Seriously, it’s a child who cannot allow himself to recognize the seductive nature of his enemy. Hip hop culture needs to die. You think you’re going to kill it with a wave of your hand? Besides “no musical value” would be mere noise (I know, I know, “but it is just noise”). It has beat, developed rhythm, melody. Obviously there’s “musical value” in there–if not moral value.

    Things are complicated.

    People are being seduced en masse by this shit. I could turn away and pretend it’s not happening, but I’m pretty sure that’s how we boomers effed everything up in the first place. I’d rather get down in the dirt with the pigs. You can watch and heckle from the sidelines.

    What you’re involved in here is denial. It’s no help at all.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson Three

    I’d rather get down in the dirt with the pigs.
     
    I thought that was you down here with me. But I had mud in my eye, so I could have been wrong. I think I am gaining on the prize, but it is hard to tell. I am glad to know a fellow swimmer.

    I am not too sure about whether we could agree on a definition of music, but I am pretty sure we could agree on a definition of seductive.
    , @ben tillman

    Seriously, it’s a child who cannot allow himself to recognize the seductive nature of his enemy. Hip hop culture needs to die. You think you’re going to kill it with a wave of your hand? Besides “no musical value” would be mere noise (I know, I know, “but it is just noise”). It has beat, developed rhythm, melody. Obviously there’s “musical value” in there–if not moral value.

    Things are complicated.

    People are being seduced en masse by this shit. I could turn away and pretend it’s not happening, but I’m pretty sure that’s how we boomers effed everything up in the first place. I’d rather get down in the dirt with the pigs. You can watch and heckle from the sidelines.

    What you’re involved in here is denial. It’s no help at all.
     
    No one's in denial. We are simply unacquainted with the phenomenon of which you speak. I would say we're too old, but you're older than I am.
  172. @R.G. Camara
    Actually, all this stuff has the fingerprints of Hillary on it. Trump too, but I'd say a good portion is Hillary.

    She's trying to make sure, with the 1-2-3 punch of dementia, rape, and lackluster appeal to the general public that Biden gets kicked off the ticket at the convention. She is the one pushing this Reade stuff and dementia proof, to try to make Joe so weak that, by the convention, she can broker a deal and take the nomination from him.

    Not that its wrong, mind you. Joe is mentally incompetent for the job. But Trump would rather have this punching bag around for a while, while all this sudden interest in Reade and Joe's dementia would knock him out earlier---so I say Hillary is doing a lot of this skulduggery.

    Then her endorsement of Biden today is really diabolical!

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Then her[Hillary's]endorsement of Biden today is really diabolical!"

    Hillary is really diabolical, period.
  173. @Jack D
    Does any white person actually name their kids "Cletus" anymore outside of cartoons? 'Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D'Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a "tell" for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate - e.g. John Edwards really name is "Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc.

    There was a thread on the Times Educational Supplement comment boards 15 years back where UK teachers discussed what a kid’s name could indicate about their likely classroom behaviour. In those days underclass youth were nicknamed ‘chavs’*.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-363230/Chav-names-feared-teachers.html

    The row follows Government research suggesting pupils’ names are linked to differing success rates in exams.

    Children with middle-class names such as Katharine and Duncan were up to eight times more likely to pass their GCSEs than Waynes and Dwaines.

    Girls called Katharine were found to have gained the best results with Madeleines coming second.

    In contrast, Waynes, Dwaines, Duanes, Jermaines and Lances came bottom.

    Parents naming their kids after soap opera/reality TV characters, alcoholic drinks (one teacher had a Tia Maria in her class, and of course there’s Chardonnay) or tacky chart singers is a useful tell.

    * this video by public schoolboys caused a storm, I thought it was funny. What’s the music?

  174. @Art Deco
    I have absolutely no love nor respect for Milton Friedman


    You sound like the title character in the movie Henry Fool, muttering in a bar about his brother-in-law's Nobel: "Anyone can get one of those".

    So… is this your way of hinting that you’d like to see my Nobel?

  175. @Art Deco
    Your point is of no value.

    Your point is of no value.

    If I remember high-school geometry, points have position but not value. Or perhaps I got that from reading Flatland.

  176. anon[150] • Disclaimer says:

    Say, why not get Richard Florida involved too? There’s nothing wrong with Compton that couldn’t be totally solved by demolishing 20 or 30 out of date houses and building a bunch of infill apartment blocks maybe 5 to 10 stores tall with cute little shopping experiences in between so that hipsters, metrosexuals, gays and David Brooks will feel at home. Then Chetty can illegally pull 1040 data down to the apartment level of granularity and find out everything we need to know to create perfection. Sure, some would call that “gentrification” but you can’t make a tasty diverse omelet without breaking something or other.

    Richard Florida plus Raj Chetty plus David Brooks == clear answers and a very sharp pants crease!

    Win-win-win!

  177. @Anonymous

    Critics rightfully pointed out that Cletus vs DeShawn would have been a better comparison.
     
    Excellent way to try to get the idiots to understand that the issue in America isn’t race.

    It’s culture.

    Unfortunately blacks and whites alike have collectively romanticized the moral and ethical sensibilities of a 1861 runaway field negro. It reflects a secret cynicism of what black people are capable of, and it’s sad, and self-defeating.

    "Jabari" the ignorant, angry field negro isn’t much different from some degenerate White hillbilly from West Virginia, or some cross-eyed, inbred two-bit Oakie. Don’t get me started on the miscreants from Arkansas. Let’s just refer to them all as "Cletus." There’s a lot of them, still. Black folks don’t have the market cornered on ignorant, ornery shitheads, but it would be nice if they would stop propping up that mentality as anything more than supremely self-indulgent and pathetic.

    Ain’t no honor in being a dumb n-word. For those of you who have tried to bring respect to gangster life, how's that been working out for you?

    What are you blathering about, especially “ bring respect to gangster life” ? What does that even mean?

  178. @guest007
    Ot put things in perspective, Compton High School is 83.5% Latino and is 55% male (very high for a non-magnet public high school).

    Whereas David Jordan High School in Watts in 84.4% Latino and 51% female. Comparing to a Alliance Cindy & Bill Simon Technology Academy High School in Watts that is 91% Latino and 50% female.

    In looking at the data for LAUSD, are there really many black students around in Los Angeles?

    Schooldigger.com lists 151 public high schools in the city of Los Angeles, of which:

    8 are majority-black
    100+ are majority-Hispanic
    1 (one) is majority white (New West Charter in West L.A.)
    0 are majority-Asian (the highest being Rise Kohyang High in Koreatown at 38% Asian)

    • Replies: @danand

    "0 are majority-Asian (the highest being Rise Kohyang High in Koreatown at 38% Asian)"
     
    Benjaminl, not the case in Nor-Cal:

    Mission San Jose High students routinely find themselves ranked either runner up or highest for average SAT scores in California. Likely the result of unnatural selection.

    https://flic.kr/p/2iVtxLE
  179. @Arclight
    Ah yes...the "I drove through a couple of neighborhoods in a rental car and actually spoke to a few of the natives" ghetto tour that allows for piercing insights. I have multiple acquaintances who work for NFPs or academia who have done the same thing and then blame systemic forces for the plight if the downtrodden.

    In the other hand, I also know a number of people who manage low income housing projects. They have a very different take on things, but no NYT writer would have to balls to publish what they say.

    Heather Mac Donald is virtually the only “mainstream” type writer who goes and talks to people like those housing project managers. They’re quite frank about what really ails the downtrodden communities.

  180. @guest007
    Ot put things in perspective, Compton High School is 83.5% Latino and is 55% male (very high for a non-magnet public high school).

    Whereas David Jordan High School in Watts in 84.4% Latino and 51% female. Comparing to a Alliance Cindy & Bill Simon Technology Academy High School in Watts that is 91% Latino and 50% female.

    In looking at the data for LAUSD, are there really many black students around in Los Angeles?

    They seem to have completely disappeared from west Los Angeles schools Thanks be to God and all the Saints and Angels. It’s astonishing how badly behaved black kids of any age are.

    Here’s something I’ll never forget. Bus lines from 3 different cities service West Los Angeles Santa Monica blue buses. Culver City green buses and City of Los Angeles red and I think orange.

    It was summer when kids are in park&rec day camps. Westwood Blvd, 8 lanes of traffic separated by a median strip. Stop and go very heavy traffic from 7/am to about 8/pm.

    So here’s a group of about 20 10- 12 year old Orcs and their Orc counselors, all wearing green T shirts from Culver City park&rec. 4/pm on the other side of 8 lanes and a median strip the Orcs saw a green Culver City bus. They screeched and howled and ran across the 8 lanes of traffic against the red light with the Orc counselors running after them.

    No one was hit because traffic moves about 2 MPH that time of day. They just took off like a pack of feral dogs after a deer. Against the red light hundreds of cars. 10-12 years old.

    They don’t think like humans. The bus was going in the wrong direction anyway. They saw a green bus and just took off. Black kids are very badly behaved, incredibly mindless and reckless and get hurt all the time. Another reason to not have black tenants. The kids will take the furnace apart, anything to destroy the house.

    2 more examples I read about. Gary Indiana. Park swimming pool is closed in winter and surrounded by 18 ft fence barbed wire on top. Pool fills with melted snow in April and frogs move in. Black kids like to catch the frogs and torture them to death. One year a brother and sister, both under 12 disappeared. Bodies were found in swimming pool. They cut a hole in the fence to get in to catch frogs to torture.

    Chicago. Old building one furnace heats entire building heat is part of the rent. Big fat black mamma goes to laundry room stops to chat with neighbor on way back. She must have chatted a long time. It was winter

    While mamma was out the 5 and 7 year old managed to take off the faucet of the radiator valve. Steam poured out and killed the 2 year old. 5 and 7 year olds taking apart a radiator and killing baby brother!!!!

    Negroes in Negroland. .

  181. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?"

    Bubba. Maybe Bogardus.

    Do people actually name their kids Bubba on their birth certificates? I’ve never met a living human being named Bogardus. Maybe some people have this as a birth name but they go by some other name. Wasn’t Bogardus once an old and distinguished NY Dutch surname? Why would a lower class person name their kid Bogardus?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    I once met a Bubba from TN. That was his given name.

    Other examples could be Virgil. Or Vernon (e.g. Elvis Presley's father's name).

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    https://uclabruins.com/sports/softball/roster/bubba-nickles/9200


    *Shockingly this comment is being allowed.

    , @William Badwhite

    Do people actually name their kids Bubba on their birth certificates?
     
    I've known two Bubbas in my life (well three if you count Bubba Watson the golfer, but I don't know him). Both were "Juniors" and Bubba was just what they were called as toddlers. One of them went by his given name about the time he was a teen, but older relatives that knew him when was small still call him Bubba.
  182. Compton is gentrifying. I have two friends who got married, tried to commute from further out in the burbs, said “screw this,” and bought small but fixed-up homes in Compton. It’s prime real estate. Although apparently one friend’s commute from Compton to the Raytheon building by LAX is still annoyingly long given the mileage traveled. Not nearly as bad as from Pomona though!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    South-Central L.A. and Compton are pretty close to a lot of jobs, such as LAX or downtown.
  183. @Reg Cæsar

    Compton is now mostly Latino but I believe most of the government jobs and politicians are still black.

     

    Latins are lousy enough politicians. Add to that their lack of eligibility in a foreign (to them) country-- blacks are citizens, after all-- and this is not very surprising.

    How does Weird Al's Lyndale rate?

    Lynwood is not as gentrified as Compton. I mean, it’s mostly Latino, so it’s fine, it’s not Southside Chicago, but it’s blue collar. My dad grew up there. One day, maybe ten years ago, he drove us by his old house. Bars on the windows now, and some gang affiliated toughs stared us down. But you’re not going to be the victim of random crime.

    Downey, adjacent to Lynwood, is really nice. Mostly middle-class Latinos and whites. My grandmother and several cousins live there, as they have for 25 years now. The 710 on the east and the 110 on the west are the dividers between “south central LA” and perfectly respectable burbs.

  184. @anonymous

    You’ve never been to West Virgina, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.
    You are an idiot.
     
    Well, I may be a lot of things, but I'm certainly no ingrate. Thank you for debunking a claim I never made. Being a culturally pure southern californian, I have plenty of experience, and I dareswear a particular sensitivity to the Arkie, and especially Oakie, since many a dustbowl wretch have tie their dying mother down to the hood of their decrepit, stolen Packard, and crawled their way to California to try to learn how to pick fruit.

    While admittedly, too many of them made it over the Sierra Madres in their broken down jalopies, too few of them made it over the far more treacherous embankments of the left side of the Bell Curve, inevitably tumbling back to the death valley of their own dustbowl dumbassery.

    I mean seriously, why would anyone choose to live in Oklahoma who understood the concept of pain like a functioning human? The state is basically Bakersfield, with tornadoes. Who in their right mind would choose to live in that hellpit, unless they couldn't function on, or conceive of, anywhere else on the planet?

    During the indian wars, Oklahoma basically became a balkanized state. It's America's Macedonia. The place where refugee's on the run deposited their human scum. A dumpsite for those looking to forget their mistakes, and move on. The pile of festering human waste got so big, they just called it, "Oklahoma."

    Hope this helps.

    LOL SoCal is a shithole unless you bought before 1998

  185. Ok, one more “LA pride” comment.

    My great-grandfather owned a gas station in Watts. 20 years, no problems. Then, in the late 1960s (my dad can’t remember the exact year), he was robbed three times over the course of the year. He sold the station and moved to Lakewood.

    In contrast, my dad went to Compton College in the 1970s. He said it was fine. No major tension. Mostly blacks, some whites and Latinos, but most of them were vets just honorably discharged and using the GI bill to try to better themselves. This is in contrast to the “my high school played in Compton, I was scared” comments above. Maybe it was worse in the high schools, I don’t know.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Junior colleges are pretty decent because they don't make the students who don't want to be there be there.
  186. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Does any white person actually name their kids "Cletus" anymore outside of cartoons? 'Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D'Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a "tell" for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate - e.g. John Edwards really name is "Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc.

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a “tell” for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate – e.g. John Edwards really name is “Johnny”. Billy, Bob, etc.

    Nicknames of proper names, or the infantilization of a proper name would be a giveaway. I’d you’re over 21, and still go by the name of “Billy,” you might be white trash. “Chet” Hanks is a glow-in-dark example. That boy is irredeemable white trash. Also, building your identity off of old timey negro slave culture is an easy giveaway, as “Skweezy” aptly demonstrates:

  187. @R.G. Camara
    OK grandpa.

    I don't like rap myself, but its a popular genre amongst the kiddies, and has been for decades. Get over it, its got staying power.

    It’s fake ‘staying power’ though. It’s media created and media sustained. I saw lt all start…

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    "fake" huh?

    It's been around as a viable pop music category for 35 years. That ain't fake. You can dislike it, think its silly, but it clearly ain't fake.
  188. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Henry's Cat
    Brooks' sleight of hand is apparent right from when he compares the residents of Watts only with those of similar family income from Compton (and even then a 6% incarceration rate is incredibly high!). It's as if the demographic make-up of a person's neighbourhood is entirely irrelevant to an individual or constituent group's beliefs and actions. True, Brooks does extol the importance of civic values but he seems to think that these are merely an abstract function of government and charitable largesse.

    The uncomfortable corollary to the idea that the worst thing for blacks is to grow up and live around other blacks is that it might be better for society as a whole to geographically assimilate blacks as widely as possible.

    Of course.

    It’s plainly obvious to anyone who has had a lot of interaction with black folks who were adopted by whites, or blacks who grew up in 90%+ white towns.

    If you have a class with 19 black kids and 1 white kid, the white kid learns all the behaviors of the black kids.

    If you have a class with 19 white kids and 1 black kid, the black kid learns all the behaviors of the white kids.

    Genetics ain’t everything. The truth is in the middle. (Sorry alt-righters and leftists)

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale

    If you have a class with 19 black kids and 1 white kid, the white kid learns all the behaviors of the black kids.
     
    No. You have one dead white kid. Are you new?

    If you have a class with 19 white kids and 1 black kid, the black kid learns all the behaviors of the white kids.
     
    Maybe. You often have a sociopath who learns to manipulate the behaviors of white people--almost never the case with your lone white kid (during his short survival span).

    Genetics ain’t everything. The truth is in the middle. (Sorry alt-righters and leftists)
     
    There are maybe two people here who believe genetics is "everything".

    This is inane.

  189. @GermanReader2

    The uncomfortable corollary to the idea that the worst thing for blacks is to grow up and live around other blacks is that it might be better for society as a whole to geographically assimilate blacks as widely as possible.
     
    I agree, that it is the worst thing for blacks to grow up and live around other blacks. But I do not see, why Whites, Asians and Hispanics should be made to live around blacks and suffer crime, bad schools, noise, dirt etc. in order to dillute black dysfunction. If blacks wanted to live in cleaner and safer neighbourhoods, they could vote in a major, who favors tough-on-crime-policies. The fact, that they don't do it, tells me, that they prefer the status quo to a safer neighbourhood, but with a higher number of their men getting locked up. Additionally, if blacks lived in nearly all-black neighbourhoods, then it would also be a lot harder for them to cry racism all the time, because the police, city hall and the schools would have blacks in charge.

    I also do not think, that society as a whole would be better off. In one article I read about Section 8 (American murder mystery, The Atlantic), it said, that crime overall ROSE after knocking down the local projects and dispensing the inhabitants in white working class neighbourhoods, because a lot of youngsters from the projects, who had been scared of competing with the tougher criminals in the projects, took on crime in the formerly mostly law-abiding suburbs.

    In my opinion, a really big problem with public policy in the last 50 years (on a local, national and even international stage) is that it subsidizes/rewards bad behaviour (and punishes good behaviour) and therefore increases the prevalence of bad behaviour.
    Here are some examples:
    -the residents of high-crime and otherwise dysfunctional neighbourhoods get vouchers (Section 8) to move to neighbourhoods with more law-abiding inhabitants and promptly raise the chance of the more law-abiding people to become victims of crime
    -welfare-payments enable reckless people to have a large number of children. The money for the welfare-payments is taken from provident people and decreases their fertility, even though they should be the ones having kids.
    -third-world countries can throw out productive minorites (e.g. white farmers in Africa etc.), because they know, that the UN is going to ship food there, once the agricultural production collapses (for the rulers of these countries it often increases their power, when their country turns into a sh*thole)
    -wrecking your country increases your chances of becoming a permanent resident of a rich Western country, because you can become a "refugee" and even if you are in the country illegally, you are not allowed to be sent back
    -gays gained a lot of special rights, when their out-of-this-world-promiscuity greatly exarcerbated the AIDS-epidemic and led to the death of other people nor part of the "lifestyle" (healthcare-workers, hemophiliacs)

    This list is not exhaustive, just what came to my mind on short notice. In my opinion, it is one of the biggest challenges in politics right now to not shelter from the negative consequences of their own destructive behaviours any longer.

    > In my opinion, it is one of the biggest challenges in politics right now to not shelter from the negative consequences of their own destructive behaviours any longer.

    This is spot on. And recognize the role of genetics as well, because otherwise, differences in outcomes will be blamed on oppression.

    “Not sheltering” doesn’t have to be absolute or draconian. It is enough to be as gentle as possible (but no gentler) while still eliciting more lawfulness and productivity than the present.

  190. @R.G. Camara
    Actually, all this stuff has the fingerprints of Hillary on it. Trump too, but I'd say a good portion is Hillary.

    She's trying to make sure, with the 1-2-3 punch of dementia, rape, and lackluster appeal to the general public that Biden gets kicked off the ticket at the convention. She is the one pushing this Reade stuff and dementia proof, to try to make Joe so weak that, by the convention, she can broker a deal and take the nomination from him.

    Not that its wrong, mind you. Joe is mentally incompetent for the job. But Trump would rather have this punching bag around for a while, while all this sudden interest in Reade and Joe's dementia would knock him out earlier---so I say Hillary is doing a lot of this skulduggery.

    If this is true, who would she think would replace Biden? Surely not Herself?

  191. @Jake
    The Mexican tough guys/gang bangers will have driven off many of the worst blacks who used to live in Compton. They would have frightened most of the remaining bad blacks to restrict their worst activities to all-black areas, preferably in LA.

    When can we get them to drive away all the sidewalk-dwelling vagrants?

  192. @anonymous

    You’ve never been to West Virgina, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.
    You are an idiot.
     
    Well, I may be a lot of things, but I'm certainly no ingrate. Thank you for debunking a claim I never made. Being a culturally pure southern californian, I have plenty of experience, and I dareswear a particular sensitivity to the Arkie, and especially Oakie, since many a dustbowl wretch have tie their dying mother down to the hood of their decrepit, stolen Packard, and crawled their way to California to try to learn how to pick fruit.

    While admittedly, too many of them made it over the Sierra Madres in their broken down jalopies, too few of them made it over the far more treacherous embankments of the left side of the Bell Curve, inevitably tumbling back to the death valley of their own dustbowl dumbassery.

    I mean seriously, why would anyone choose to live in Oklahoma who understood the concept of pain like a functioning human? The state is basically Bakersfield, with tornadoes. Who in their right mind would choose to live in that hellpit, unless they couldn't function on, or conceive of, anywhere else on the planet?

    During the indian wars, Oklahoma basically became a balkanized state. It's America's Macedonia. The place where refugee's on the run deposited their human scum. A dumpsite for those looking to forget their mistakes, and move on. The pile of festering human waste got so big, they just called it, "Oklahoma."

    Hope this helps.

    As I write this I will admit I’m watching a huge thunderstorm roll in. I also will allow that Oklahoma has far fewer silicon valley Pajeet Ramalamathongs, Chink billionaires, wetback anchor babies, hollywood scumsuckers,politically correct sewer politicos, trans faggotry, and sundry other freaks and defectives that make California so golden. Enjoy your non-balkanization.

    • Agree: Peterike
  193. @Jack D
    Do people actually name their kids Bubba on their birth certificates? I've never met a living human being named Bogardus. Maybe some people have this as a birth name but they go by some other name. Wasn't Bogardus once an old and distinguished NY Dutch surname? Why would a lower class person name their kid Bogardus?

    I once met a Bubba from TN. That was his given name.

    Other examples could be Virgil. Or Vernon (e.g. Elvis Presley’s father’s name).

  194. @Redman
    I'm 50 and was a huge rap fan when it was just taking off in the late 1980s. Yo MTV Raps! was a seminal show when I was in college. But rap took a big fall (as did most popular music) the day Napster came.

    That's the real "Day the Music Died." Music labels had to switch their paradigm to creating more "superstars" to sell to the part of the public that still bought discs (pre-teen girls and their parents). The market became one more for "star personalities" not music, e.g. Puff Daddy, Jay-Z, Drake, etc.

    Most popular music today is essentially derivative (tweaking old styles of one form or another in a pastiche). You're correct that a form of rap has staying power, but it pales in comparison to the rappers of the late 1980s and early 1990s who really pushed the genre with new styles, sampling and electronic instruments.

    None of this is to say that there aren't creative musicians out there experimenting with new sounds and textures. But none of that music has a place in the current market, making it unlikely it will ever reach a broader audience like in the pre-internet days.

    Is there anything left to be done, really? After a century-plus of recorded sound, surely we must be nearing the heliosheath of the human musical imagination. After all, there are only so many potential memorable melodies, so many potential catchy progressions of chords. Beyond that is the great formless void of eternal repetition, churning out minor variations upon minor variations until the end of time.

    At some point, a billion monkeys banging away on typewriters produce all the great works of literature, and then what’s left for them to do? Keep on banging in the vain hope that they’ll crap out another Hamlet? That’s basically what today’s musicians are doing.

    Incidentally, I was in high school during Napster’s heyday. I still remember the day I downloaded my first MP3. It was almost a religious experience to realize that I could listen to practically every song ever made, on-demand, for free. For a fat, acne-ridden teenager muddling through a dreary, boring, stifling existence, being able to experience that surge of power and freedom was exhilarating.

    But the thrill never lasts. Now we have YouTube and Netflix and Archive.org and vidya and petabytes of porn and … I’m so f**king bored. Does anyone know where I can find a dopamine hit?

    If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a bootleg stamping on a human ear forever:

  195. @kihowi
    Dre was great. So catchy. I loved 2001; both the songs where he brags about blacks committing crimes, and the songs where he complains about cops assuming blacks commit crimes.

    Rap music themes in a nutshell; just add endless braggadocio about sexual prowess and desirability.

  196. @Art Deco
    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a “tell” for being lower class?


    I don't think there are any lumpen names, but there is a certain style common in wage-earning families which has northern and Southern variants. Giving your daughter a twee name, especially with a non-standard spelling, is in keeping with this. "Brittany", "Christie", "Brianna", &c. I don't think this is done with male children (or that it was done much at all 50 years ago, at least in the northern United States). Looking at the Social Security site on baby names, this appears to be falling out of fashion (or, perhaps, was never as prevalent as I thought). I see Kaylee is the highest ranking such name, at #46; 'Skylar' is at #67; Brianna, #70; Kylie, #74; Mackenzie, $78; 'Khloe', #82; Aubree, #86; Kayla, #93. Some of the mash ups black women favor are on the list: "Aaliyah", #45; "Neveah", #47; Makayla, #100. You find names which sound like soap opera characters to those of us of a certain vintage: 'Peyton', #59; 'Ashley', #69. "Jasmine" (#97) was, I think, a hippie name 40 years ago and (I'll wager) a black name today.

    The Social Security Administration’s annual name list is due out a week from Friday. Expect royal jumps for Louis and Archie, the latter having reëntered the top 1000 last year after a 30-year absence. (Charlotte had already been in our top ten when the Princess was born.)

    Another one to watch is Mabel. Seriously. She was also absent for decades, but has reappeared and is now at her highest ranking since 1946. Must be the influence of Gravity Falls.

  197. @anonymous

    You’ve never been to West Virgina, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.
    You are an idiot.
     
    Well, I may be a lot of things, but I'm certainly no ingrate. Thank you for debunking a claim I never made. Being a culturally pure southern californian, I have plenty of experience, and I dareswear a particular sensitivity to the Arkie, and especially Oakie, since many a dustbowl wretch have tie their dying mother down to the hood of their decrepit, stolen Packard, and crawled their way to California to try to learn how to pick fruit.

    While admittedly, too many of them made it over the Sierra Madres in their broken down jalopies, too few of them made it over the far more treacherous embankments of the left side of the Bell Curve, inevitably tumbling back to the death valley of their own dustbowl dumbassery.

    I mean seriously, why would anyone choose to live in Oklahoma who understood the concept of pain like a functioning human? The state is basically Bakersfield, with tornadoes. Who in their right mind would choose to live in that hellpit, unless they couldn't function on, or conceive of, anywhere else on the planet?

    During the indian wars, Oklahoma basically became a balkanized state. It's America's Macedonia. The place where refugee's on the run deposited their human scum. A dumpsite for those looking to forget their mistakes, and move on. The pile of festering human waste got so big, they just called it, "Oklahoma."

    Hope this helps.

    Well, I may be a lot of things, but I’m certainly no ingrate.

    Hmm. No one called you an ingrate.

    Thank you for debunking a claim I never made.

    His claim was:

    You’ve never been to West Virginia, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.

    You had no response, so apparently your antagonist was correct. And if that is the best you can do, you have not risen above the stupid, the inept, and the accident-prone.

    We all hope you do not procreate.

  198. @AnotherDad

    Samohi, a truly diverse school. The football team didnt look like my classroooms (i shared one but not the other with stephen miller).
     
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Stephen Miller was not on the football team.

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that Stephen Miller was not on the football team.

    You know, you have so many good posts that it is difficult to choose one on which to click the “Agree” button, or in this case the “LOL” button, and other times the “Thanks” button.

    Good one, Another Dad, among many.

  199. @Art Deco
    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a “tell” for being lower class?


    I don't think there are any lumpen names, but there is a certain style common in wage-earning families which has northern and Southern variants. Giving your daughter a twee name, especially with a non-standard spelling, is in keeping with this. "Brittany", "Christie", "Brianna", &c. I don't think this is done with male children (or that it was done much at all 50 years ago, at least in the northern United States). Looking at the Social Security site on baby names, this appears to be falling out of fashion (or, perhaps, was never as prevalent as I thought). I see Kaylee is the highest ranking such name, at #46; 'Skylar' is at #67; Brianna, #70; Kylie, #74; Mackenzie, $78; 'Khloe', #82; Aubree, #86; Kayla, #93. Some of the mash ups black women favor are on the list: "Aaliyah", #45; "Neveah", #47; Makayla, #100. You find names which sound like soap opera characters to those of us of a certain vintage: 'Peyton', #59; 'Ashley', #69. "Jasmine" (#97) was, I think, a hippie name 40 years ago and (I'll wager) a black name today.

    For a boy Jaxson

    • Agree: black sea
  200. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yes it does have staying power, and especially since the record companies control the game and making sure it stays that way for as long as it can. Make no mistake, IF a new musical genre came about and started dwarfing rap's music sales, then it'd be so long rappa, don't want to know ya.

    Btw, nationally at least, country music has always equalled if not outsold rap in total unit (track, album, etc). The country artists consistently tour better and are more profitable than rap. This is in no small part due to the fact that country music as a genre is way more family friendly than rap, can be marketed to all demographics across the board, and thus receives more mainstream recognition and radio airplay. Like hip hop, pop, and dance, modern country music greatly appeals to women (obviously it appeals to men, but as with most music genres, women are the bulk of the consumers).

    Because gangsta is the most popular form of commercial rap, it is somewhat limiting in its marketing. Example: it can at times be perceived as misogynistic where few, if any country artists are seldom viewed in that light. The swagger in both country and rap are different. Part of marketed rap swag is to hate on stuff (police, women, etc). Part of marketed country swag is to appeal to families, timeless values, etc. Even the videos are differently marketed. At worst, a country music video is PG, or PG-13 with a wink and a nod to maybe something a bit racier. Rap videos start around PG-13 borderline R, and attempt to crank it up a notch.

    But country music total sales in the US as a profitable genre for record labels equals or outperforms rap by miles. Always has as its the one genre that can be played on about 99% of the music formats and in 99% of all US metros (except for of course urban or black radio. And there are very few blacks that listen to much less care about and like country music). Country saturates the mainstream music market across the board, which can never be said that way for rap.

    Oddly enough, rappers today tend to be improvisation-averse and uncomfortable on stage. Frequently, a rap “concert” will consist of the dude on stage mumbling over the studio track (complete with the studio vocals.)

    On the other hand, country singers still want good musicians behind them–part of this is the less electronic much more acoustic nature of country, part I think is just cultural expectation. Anyway, there are still a lot of country instrumentalists who care about their craft and know how to make things come out well in a live situation.

  201. @Dennis Dale
    Oh thank God. I thought you'd deploy the "I am rubber you are glue..." defense. This is much better.

    Seriously, it's a child who cannot allow himself to recognize the seductive nature of his enemy. Hip hop culture needs to die. You think you're going to kill it with a wave of your hand? Besides "no musical value" would be mere noise (I know, I know, "but it is just noise"). It has beat, developed rhythm, melody. Obviously there's "musical value" in there--if not moral value.

    Things are complicated.

    People are being seduced en masse by this shit. I could turn away and pretend it's not happening, but I'm pretty sure that's how we boomers effed everything up in the first place. I'd rather get down in the dirt with the pigs. You can watch and heckle from the sidelines.

    What you're involved in here is denial. It's no help at all.

    I’d rather get down in the dirt with the pigs.

    I thought that was you down here with me. But I had mud in my eye, so I could have been wrong. I think I am gaining on the prize, but it is hard to tell. I am glad to know a fellow swimmer.

    I am not too sure about whether we could agree on a definition of music, but I am pretty sure we could agree on a definition of seductive.

  202. @AnotherDad


    Some people who talk about inequality focus on the top 1 percent, and if you want to go after the hedge fund billionaires feel free. But as inequality is actually lived out, it’s the 20/80 gap that is most glaring and most unjust.
     
    Ummmmmmmmmmm
     
    Spot on NME. That popped for me too.

    "Most unjust"? What a bizarre comment, from someone who claims to be a social observer.

    I grew up as an 80%er. (My dad an engineer at what Steve refers to as a "major packaged goods company". ) 80%ers are the productive core, the public spirited, the folks who carry society forward.

    Even most of the folks--inventors, scientists, engineers--who figure out improvements and really move the ball downfield don't crack the 1%. Some 1% are there because of true "moved the ball forward" work. But most just through hustle and often connections and/or luck. (Someone has to win.)

    In contrast, even among white people, when you're down to the 20%ers, they really are pretty mediocre. Either quite limited in capability or ill-disciplined. They are not the dregs but they are not contributing. They live off the capability of the 80%ers. (And that's among whites. America is no longer overwhelmingly white and the mean capability of its minority population is much worse.)

    In contrast to the somewhat random quality of who's in the 1%, the 80-20 split is pretty clearly "just". Some people are just quite a bit more capable, disciplined and productive than other people.

    I agree that it’s a dumb remark from Brooks, but he means top 20/bottom 80, not top 80/bottom 20.

    • Replies: @anon
    I agree that it’s a dumb remark from Brooks,

    Can't imagine how David Brooks could get his tops and his bottoms mixed up. Nope. Can't imagine.
  203. @R.G. Camara
    The music industry seems to get a degree angrier when their spell is broken versus movie studios (who also get angry, don't get me wrong). Perhaps authenticity in a recording artists is really make or break more so than actors. Hence this backlash against Ellish.

    The Rolling Stones in pop music really pushed their false image to sell records. Mick Jagger is a nerdy LSE graduate who understands marketing better than most of us on this planet, and has put on a show being a tough-guy rock star since, to sellout bonanzas.

    Later musicians followed suit, until you couldn't just put out a record with good tunes, you had to have an image that fit it and seemed to live that image in every way shape and form.

    I've written this before, but NWA and gangsta rap was a step forward in this area, where the music companies sought to control all of rap by demanding "street cred", which only other record-company artists could give.

    Mick is an LSE dropout who got notoriously ripped off by Allen Klein. Klein is gone but his company and family still own the Stones pre 1968 catalog. Mick wised up after this but the riches didn’t flow until the Stones were fortunate enough to hire Prince Loewenstein to get their finances in order.

    Loewenstein was the Rolling Stones’ business adviser and financial manager from 1968 until 2007.[2] In 1968, then working in London as a merchant banker, he was introduced to Mick Jagger by a mutual friend, art dealer Christopher Gibbs. According to Keith Richards, Loewenstein had never heard of Jagger before then.[11] Jagger was of the opinion that the Stones’ then manager, Allen Klein, was not paying them everything they were due.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Rupert_Loewenstein

    • Replies: @Peterike
    “ Mick is an LSE dropout who got notoriously ripped off by Allen Klein.”

    The truly spectacular amount of blatant thievery by Jewish music “managers” and “producers” is among the great verboten stories of the 20th century. Spike Lee broached the subject and got unpersoned for a long time.

    The fact that blacks were particularly victims of Jewish chicanery only adds an ironic twist.

    Imagine a world where Jewish criminality was part of everyday discourse.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    IIRC, Klein paid the Stones $3 million for their catalog which was not chump change 50 years ago. How is that "ripping them off?"

    I agree that AK was a weasel but nobody held a gun to Mick's head.
  204. Who would have thought Compton has magic dirt.

    I agree that local ownership and responsibility in taking action is important.

    Waiting on the somebody else to do something is not taking action.

  205. @Ron Mexico
    Lynwood. Judging from the AAU teams I played against in the 80s and looking at its current population, mostly Latino, probably the same as Compton. Median income $50,000. Most "hoods" in SoCal are on the surface quite appealing when compared to "hoods" that I have spent any amount of time in in the Midwest, Detroit, especially.

    “Most ‘hoods’ in SoCal are on the surface quite appealing when compared to “hoods” that I have spent any amount of time in in the Midwest, Detroit, especially.”

    And St. Louis. I’ll never forget watching some true crime show. The narrator said, “This is one on the most dangerous neighborhoods in Los Angeles” and I expected to see a war zone of empty, vandalized buildings, vacant lots and boarded-up buildings like north St. Louis has. I was shocked to see a street of modest but nice houses with trim yards. The only giveaway were the black iron security doors and even they were decorative. I still don’t get it.

  206. @Jack D
    Do people actually name their kids Bubba on their birth certificates? I've never met a living human being named Bogardus. Maybe some people have this as a birth name but they go by some other name. Wasn't Bogardus once an old and distinguished NY Dutch surname? Why would a lower class person name their kid Bogardus?

    https://uclabruins.com/sports/softball/roster/bubba-nickles/9200

    *Shockingly this comment is being allowed.

    • Replies: @Jedi Night
    The fine print says she born Madilyn.
    , @William Badwhite
    Alas...from the link


    PERSONAL
    Born Madilyn Ida-Marie Nickles in Merced, Calif.
  207. @benjaminl
    Schooldigger.com lists 151 public high schools in the city of Los Angeles, of which:

    8 are majority-black
    100+ are majority-Hispanic
    1 (one) is majority white (New West Charter in West L.A.)
    0 are majority-Asian (the highest being Rise Kohyang High in Koreatown at 38% Asian)

    “0 are majority-Asian (the highest being Rise Kohyang High in Koreatown at 38% Asian)”

    Benjaminl, not the case in Nor-Cal:

    Mission San Jose High students routinely find themselves ranked either runner up or highest for average SAT scores in California. Likely the result of unnatural selection.

    missi

  208. @Anonymous
    All 'Compton' suggests to me is the late, great celebrated English comedian Colin Crompton, perhaps best known for his role as 'Chairman' in that very excellent Granada TV series "The Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club", armed with an oversized tweedy flatcap and a hand rung old fashioned rotary fire-bell, whilst trading acerbic comments with equally great and much lamented Bernard Manning.

    Famously, Colin Crompton received a 'life time ban' from the Lancastrian English seaside resort town of Morecambe for publicly referring to Morecambe as a 'Graveyard with Lights'.

    Don’t forget John Crompton, author of the wonderful The Hunting Wasp and other excellent and readable books about invertebrates.

  209. @Jack D
    Does any white person actually name their kids "Cletus" anymore outside of cartoons? 'Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D'Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a "tell" for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate - e.g. John Edwards really name is "Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc.

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a “tell” for being lower class?

    I was hanging out in a Salvation Army thrift store a few years ago and heard a white-trash chick call out for her son, Anakin.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Don't you automatically lose class points when you walk into a Salvation Army thrift store?

    (Yes, but not as many as you lose when you pop into your friendly neighborhood Wal-Mart.)

    There are worse things than being named after Anakin. After all, he started out as the trashiest of white trash - a literal slave - and ended up as the second-most-powerful man in the galaxy. Not bad for a guy who endured the trauma of getting his limbs chopped off and being left for dead on a lava flow. Perhaps the mother was hoping that the Force would be strong with her son.

    Wasn't there an X-Files episode where a schlubby little guy with shapeshifting abilities morphed into Luke Skywalker so he could get laid?

  210. @Hypnotoad666
    Brooks has made a lucrative career out of being an MSM token RINO. However, he seems to be transitioning his brand to that of a vapid "up with people" hopey-changey virtue signaler.

    His drive-by analysis of Compton is pretty typical: "I landed in LAX and drove through Watts (as fast as I could), and then talked to 'some people' in Compton. Now I've got it all figured out . . . being a separate city and having a separate layer of political bureaucracy will fix everything! It's all about community spirit and having a can-do attitude!"

    BTW, Chetty's tax data wouldn't include the race of the return-filers, so he must be extrapolating/making up any race-specific conclusions about how blacks fare in multi-ethnic communities like Compton.

    ‘… BTW, Chetty’s tax data wouldn’t include the race of the return-filers, so he must be extrapolating/making up any race-specific conclusions about how blacks fare in multi-ethnic communities like Compton.’

    One is bitterly amused to realize that Brooks probably genuinely wouldn’t differentiate between Mexicans and Blacks.

    Mexicans are…Mexicans, but they’re alright. I’ve lived with them — and didn’t mind. Can’t say the same for blacks.

  211. anonymous[751] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad

    Samohi, a truly diverse school. The football team didnt look like my classroooms (i shared one but not the other with stephen miller).
     
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Stephen Miller was not on the football team.

    nb: this is how Stephen Miller became Stephen Miller.

    There are tons of kids like Stephen Miller at elite colleges trying to get jobs as Congressional aides like Stephen Miller did. Jewish, upper middle class, politically ambitious.

    Stephen Miller happened to go to one of the rare high schools that has both a large number of upper middle class Jews and “diversity.” He was radicalized by his alienating experience at a public school in a way that I would assume his parents weren’t even aware of–Santa Monica is a very expensive school district but for quirks of LA school district politics the population of Santa Monica high school has only a *minority* of people like Stephen Miller’s parents who can afford to actually live in Santa Monica.

    So, it is an unusual thing where it’s not like a white flight suburb where the public school is all upper middle class or the urban thing where rich kids just go to private schools. I mean, plenty of Miller’s peers and mine did go to private schools (Brentwood, Harvard-Westlake, etc.) but we didn’t. It’s a big school so there was a big cohort of upper middle class kids. But we were still literally a minority. I think that puts our school in a very narrow, specific niche.

    David Cole is another LA Jew who got redpilled by LA public schools but according to him he went to an outright ghetto school, which is of course its own experience. Samohi was truly diverse and if you felt alienated from minorities there would be plenty of other rich Jewish kids among whom you could sequester yourself and observe the fruits of diversity.

    • Replies: @Curle
    I’ve felt for some time that my one year attendance at an 50% ghetto black school and the things learned, and unlearned, there created the greatest social distance between me and my fellow white cognitive career colleagues.
  212. @Clyde
    Mick is an LSE dropout who got notoriously ripped off by Allen Klein. Klein is gone but his company and family still own the Stones pre 1968 catalog. Mick wised up after this but the riches didn't flow until the Stones were fortunate enough to hire Prince Loewenstein to get their finances in order.

    Loewenstein was the Rolling Stones' business adviser and financial manager from 1968 until 2007.[2] In 1968, then working in London as a merchant banker, he was introduced to Mick Jagger by a mutual friend, art dealer Christopher Gibbs. According to Keith Richards, Loewenstein had never heard of Jagger before then.[11] Jagger was of the opinion that the Stones' then manager, Allen Klein, was not paying them everything they were due.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Rupert_Loewenstein
     

    “ Mick is an LSE dropout who got notoriously ripped off by Allen Klein.”

    The truly spectacular amount of blatant thievery by Jewish music “managers” and “producers” is among the great verboten stories of the 20th century. Spike Lee broached the subject and got unpersoned for a long time.

    The fact that blacks were particularly victims of Jewish chicanery only adds an ironic twist.

    Imagine a world where Jewish criminality was part of everyday discourse.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    .
    , @Anonymous
    The "saddest story in Rock 'n' Roll" was the tragedy of that great and iconic Welsh 1970s rock group 'Badfinger' - given a new lease of life by having 'Baby Blue' featured in 'Breaking Bad' - being ripped off by one 'Stan Polley' to the extent that lead singer Peter Ham hanged himself in his own garage after being chased by creditors. A few years later, traumatized lead guitarist Tom Evans followed him in suicide.
    Peter Ham's last testament, his suicide note explicitly stated "That heartless bastard Stan Polley killed me".

    Ironically, Peter Ham and Tom Evans penned Nilsson's smash hit and mega money spinner 'Without You'.
  213. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Yes it does have staying power, and especially since the record companies control the game and making sure it stays that way for as long as it can. Make no mistake, IF a new musical genre came about and started dwarfing rap's music sales, then it'd be so long rappa, don't want to know ya.

    Btw, nationally at least, country music has always equalled if not outsold rap in total unit (track, album, etc). The country artists consistently tour better and are more profitable than rap. This is in no small part due to the fact that country music as a genre is way more family friendly than rap, can be marketed to all demographics across the board, and thus receives more mainstream recognition and radio airplay. Like hip hop, pop, and dance, modern country music greatly appeals to women (obviously it appeals to men, but as with most music genres, women are the bulk of the consumers).

    Because gangsta is the most popular form of commercial rap, it is somewhat limiting in its marketing. Example: it can at times be perceived as misogynistic where few, if any country artists are seldom viewed in that light. The swagger in both country and rap are different. Part of marketed rap swag is to hate on stuff (police, women, etc). Part of marketed country swag is to appeal to families, timeless values, etc. Even the videos are differently marketed. At worst, a country music video is PG, or PG-13 with a wink and a nod to maybe something a bit racier. Rap videos start around PG-13 borderline R, and attempt to crank it up a notch.

    But country music total sales in the US as a profitable genre for record labels equals or outperforms rap by miles. Always has as its the one genre that can be played on about 99% of the music formats and in 99% of all US metros (except for of course urban or black radio. And there are very few blacks that listen to much less care about and like country music). Country saturates the mainstream music market across the board, which can never be said that way for rap.

    “there are very few blacks that listen to much less care about and like country music”

    True, but when they do they can be great. Arthur Alexander was considered an country act.

  214. @bomag
    Thanks for the anecdote.

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups. Everything? A few exceptions: Mormons and other religious groups, but I'm not sure how good an example they are.

    Other groups sure don't hesitate to help their own, pace the Chinese, sub-continent Indians, Mexicans, etc., etc. Heck, Native American patronage is written into law.

    I think this is why “veteran owned” is such a big thing. In my social media feed, I see veteran owned: coffee, slacks, insurance, gym equipment etc
    The combat arms (as steve points out for people who haven’t seen it themselves) are overwhelmingly white, and so “by vets for vets” has a distinct proxy feel to it.
    In my younger days I thought this was an over-correction to the Vietnam Vets lack of welcome home (and it in part may be) but the more I see it the more it’s clear that it is a self-referential internal referral network of and for white men

  215. @black sea
    I've met one real, actual Cletus in my 60 years. He was from the farm country of South Dakota. Well educated, well read and witty, though quite a gossip and possibly repressed. The only aspect of the stereotype that he conformed to was that he hailed from farm country.

    I’ve met one real, actual Cletus in my 60 years. He was from the farm country of South Dakota. Well educated, well read and witty, though quite a gossip and possibly repressed. The only aspect of the stereotype that he conformed to was that he hailed from farm country.

    Of the circa 20,000 people who have played Major League baseball, just one was named Cletus; the immortal Cletus Elwood (Boots) Poffenberger. He was a drinking mans drinking man.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
    What about Clete Boyer?

    I knew a fiftyish Cletus who went by Clete.
  216. @Anonymous
    I agree that it's a dumb remark from Brooks, but he means top 20/bottom 80, not top 80/bottom 20.

    I agree that it’s a dumb remark from Brooks,

    Can’t imagine how David Brooks could get his tops and his bottoms mixed up. Nope. Can’t imagine.

  217. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Off Topic: Patton Oswalt thanks President Trump and Ivanka for doing a great job:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1255325711960768514

  218. @Iron Fist
    It's fake 'staying power' though. It's media created and media sustained. I saw lt all start...

    “fake” huh?

    It’s been around as a viable pop music category for 35 years. That ain’t fake. You can dislike it, think its silly, but it clearly ain’t fake.

  219. @Jack D
    Does any white person actually name their kids "Cletus" anymore outside of cartoons? 'Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D'Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a "tell" for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate - e.g. John Edwards really name is "Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc.

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a ‘tell’ for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate – e.g. John Edwards really name is ‘Johnny”. Billy, Bob, etc.”

    Or Archie.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    What about Jughead, Reggie, Betty, and Veronica?
  220. Anon[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian

    — Ventilation. I suspect this is rather complex, but a little hoodoo advice will calm nerves. Or get a knowledgable subcontractor to really fix things.
     
    This. HVAC engineers and contractors will make a fortune.

    I love the HVAC guys, but the sort of airflow measurement and analysis needed here is above their pay grade. It’s part craft, but more science, art, and iterative metrics, not unlike architectural acoustics. The guys who design hospital infectious ward systems will suddenly find themselves sought out by ordinary businesses.

  221. Anon[261] • Disclaimer says:

    I think I posted this a year or so ago, but there’s a mixed race (?) guy on YouTube who rides a GoPro-equipped BMX bicycle around Compton gang zones (as well as Skid Row). He goes into back alleys past open windows and there are some heart-stopping moments. On the the other hand, he has started to be recognized and has fans approach him lately. He even has merch.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJM3K7RwK8Y2Kxsae-kMTXg

  222. @Seth Largo
    Ok, one more "LA pride" comment.

    My great-grandfather owned a gas station in Watts. 20 years, no problems. Then, in the late 1960s (my dad can't remember the exact year), he was robbed three times over the course of the year. He sold the station and moved to Lakewood.

    In contrast, my dad went to Compton College in the 1970s. He said it was fine. No major tension. Mostly blacks, some whites and Latinos, but most of them were vets just honorably discharged and using the GI bill to try to better themselves. This is in contrast to the "my high school played in Compton, I was scared" comments above. Maybe it was worse in the high schools, I don't know.

    Junior colleges are pretty decent because they don’t make the students who don’t want to be there be there.

    • Replies: @Seth Largo
    You'd think California community colleges---the vast majority of whose students are POC working class kids---would be hotbeds of activism. But no. CC students are kids who want to lift themselves and their families up.
  223. @Seth Largo
    Compton is gentrifying. I have two friends who got married, tried to commute from further out in the burbs, said "screw this," and bought small but fixed-up homes in Compton. It's prime real estate. Although apparently one friend's commute from Compton to the Raytheon building by LAX is still annoyingly long given the mileage traveled. Not nearly as bad as from Pomona though!

    South-Central L.A. and Compton are pretty close to a lot of jobs, such as LAX or downtown.

  224. @Hypnotoad666
    Brooks has made a lucrative career out of being an MSM token RINO. However, he seems to be transitioning his brand to that of a vapid "up with people" hopey-changey virtue signaler.

    His drive-by analysis of Compton is pretty typical: "I landed in LAX and drove through Watts (as fast as I could), and then talked to 'some people' in Compton. Now I've got it all figured out . . . being a separate city and having a separate layer of political bureaucracy will fix everything! It's all about community spirit and having a can-do attitude!"

    BTW, Chetty's tax data wouldn't include the race of the return-filers, so he must be extrapolating/making up any race-specific conclusions about how blacks fare in multi-ethnic communities like Compton.

    Chetty has recently figured out the race of his tax returns from some other database, such as Social Security. He is indefatigable.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    More likely pernicious than indefatigable!
  225. @Stan Adams
    OT:

    1987 news coverage of Joe Biden's plagiarism scandal:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG-cpE1PV9o

    1987 news coverage of Joe Biden’s plagiarism scandal:

    “Who made me the genius I am today?”

    Clinton had Quigley; Biden, this guy:

  226. @Anonymous
    Of course.

    It's plainly obvious to anyone who has had a lot of interaction with black folks who were adopted by whites, or blacks who grew up in 90%+ white towns.

    If you have a class with 19 black kids and 1 white kid, the white kid learns all the behaviors of the black kids.

    If you have a class with 19 white kids and 1 black kid, the black kid learns all the behaviors of the white kids.

    Genetics ain't everything. The truth is in the middle. (Sorry alt-righters and leftists)

    If you have a class with 19 black kids and 1 white kid, the white kid learns all the behaviors of the black kids.

    No. You have one dead white kid. Are you new?

    If you have a class with 19 white kids and 1 black kid, the black kid learns all the behaviors of the white kids.

    Maybe. You often have a sociopath who learns to manipulate the behaviors of white people–almost never the case with your lone white kid (during his short survival span).

    Genetics ain’t everything. The truth is in the middle. (Sorry alt-righters and leftists)

    There are maybe two people here who believe genetics is “everything”.

    This is inane.

  227. @Hibernian
    She might try and meditate on the careers of Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton.

    Or even Jesse Jackson.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-10-19-tm-5850-story.html

    Feb. 26, 1984. Temple Adath Yeshurun, Manchester, N.H. The campaign, and the candidate, were at a breaking point. Ramrod straight, Jesse Jackson strode to the front of the synagogue, his fists clenched tight at his sides, his eyes darting across the tense crowd. Later, he would describe the scene as “Daniel in the lion’s den,” but in some ways it was also Greenville, S.C., all over again, 34 years ago when he was 8 and had whistled in the white man’s grocery for service and the owner had pointed a loaded .45 pistol at his head to teach him his place. Then, as now, Jackson found himself cornered by his own pride.

    This time he had poked fun at Jews by calling them “Hymie” and New York City “Hymie-town,” and what he’d said had been quoted and condemned in the Washington Post. At first he had denied the remarks; then, turning street fighter, he had tried to put Jews on the defensive, accusing them of making him the target of a Jewish conspiracy to ruin his campaign. But the counterattack hadn’t worked, and day by day the furor had grown. Within two weeks his historic run for the presidency had nearly collapsed, and Jackson was trapped: There was no choice now but to swallow his pride and own up to his mistake.

    It’s a meshuga world, isn’t it?

  228. @Mike Zwick
    Wasn't Watts an Italian neighborhood at one time?

    No, an Italian built the famous and beautiful
    Watts Towers in his back yard starting about 100 years ago. But it was just another White neighborhood at the time.

  229. @Daniel Williams

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a “tell” for being lower class?
     
    I was hanging out in a Salvation Army thrift store a few years ago and heard a white-trash chick call out for her son, Anakin.

    Don’t you automatically lose class points when you walk into a Salvation Army thrift store?

    (Yes, but not as many as you lose when you pop into your friendly neighborhood Wal-Mart.)

    There are worse things than being named after Anakin. After all, he started out as the trashiest of white trash – a literal slave – and ended up as the second-most-powerful man in the galaxy. Not bad for a guy who endured the trauma of getting his limbs chopped off and being left for dead on a lava flow. Perhaps the mother was hoping that the Force would be strong with her son.

    Wasn’t there an X-Files episode where a schlubby little guy with shapeshifting abilities morphed into Luke Skywalker so he could get laid?

  230. @Kylie
    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a 'tell' for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate – e.g. John Edwards really name is 'Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc."

    Or Archie.

    What about Jughead, Reggie, Betty, and Veronica?

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Lol! Careful, you don't want to give Harry and Meghan any more bad ideas. Though I'm sure "Veronica" wouldn't make their list of baby names. "Ronnie" might, but only for a girl.
  231. @Hypnotoad666
    Brooks has made a lucrative career out of being an MSM token RINO. However, he seems to be transitioning his brand to that of a vapid "up with people" hopey-changey virtue signaler.

    His drive-by analysis of Compton is pretty typical: "I landed in LAX and drove through Watts (as fast as I could), and then talked to 'some people' in Compton. Now I've got it all figured out . . . being a separate city and having a separate layer of political bureaucracy will fix everything! It's all about community spirit and having a can-do attitude!"

    BTW, Chetty's tax data wouldn't include the race of the return-filers, so he must be extrapolating/making up any race-specific conclusions about how blacks fare in multi-ethnic communities like Compton.

    David Brooks might be the very definition of a cuck.

  232. @Steve Sailer
    Chetty has recently figured out the race of his tax returns from some other database, such as Social Security. He is indefatigable.

    More likely pernicious than indefatigable!

  233. @kaganovitch
    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups.

    Urban fire departments were one such White patronage network. The courts have been trying to slap them down for decades, not entirely succesfully.

    Irish, Italians, and other “ethnics” often can be quite nepotistic. However, as you point out, the courts have been working very hard to suppress these networks over the last several decades. So I’m not sure how much clout they have these days.

    Mormons seem to get away with a fair amount of nepotism in Utah and some of the surrounding regions (Idaho, Montana, Nevada), but their power is very regional.

    Jewish ethnic nepotism seems to rarely be challenged. Even mentioning it is very taboo.

  234. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peterike
    “ Mick is an LSE dropout who got notoriously ripped off by Allen Klein.”

    The truly spectacular amount of blatant thievery by Jewish music “managers” and “producers” is among the great verboten stories of the 20th century. Spike Lee broached the subject and got unpersoned for a long time.

    The fact that blacks were particularly victims of Jewish chicanery only adds an ironic twist.

    Imagine a world where Jewish criminality was part of everyday discourse.

    .

  235. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peterike
    “ Mick is an LSE dropout who got notoriously ripped off by Allen Klein.”

    The truly spectacular amount of blatant thievery by Jewish music “managers” and “producers” is among the great verboten stories of the 20th century. Spike Lee broached the subject and got unpersoned for a long time.

    The fact that blacks were particularly victims of Jewish chicanery only adds an ironic twist.

    Imagine a world where Jewish criminality was part of everyday discourse.

    The “saddest story in Rock ‘n’ Roll” was the tragedy of that great and iconic Welsh 1970s rock group ‘Badfinger’ – given a new lease of life by having ‘Baby Blue’ featured in ‘Breaking Bad’ – being ripped off by one ‘Stan Polley’ to the extent that lead singer Peter Ham hanged himself in his own garage after being chased by creditors. A few years later, traumatized lead guitarist Tom Evans followed him in suicide.
    Peter Ham’s last testament, his suicide note explicitly stated “That heartless bastard Stan Polley killed me”.

    Ironically, Peter Ham and Tom Evans penned Nilsson’s smash hit and mega money spinner ‘Without You’.

  236. @kaganovitch
    I’ve met one real, actual Cletus in my 60 years. He was from the farm country of South Dakota. Well educated, well read and witty, though quite a gossip and possibly repressed. The only aspect of the stereotype that he conformed to was that he hailed from farm country.


    Of the circa 20,000 people who have played Major League baseball, just one was named Cletus; the immortal Cletus Elwood (Boots) Poffenberger. He was a drinking mans drinking man.

    What about Clete Boyer?

    I knew a fiftyish Cletus who went by Clete.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    What about Clete Boyer?

    The late Clete Boyer was named Cletis Leroy Boyer. Close but no cigar.
  237. @bomag
    Thanks for the anecdote.

    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups. Everything? A few exceptions: Mormons and other religious groups, but I'm not sure how good an example they are.

    Other groups sure don't hesitate to help their own, pace the Chinese, sub-continent Indians, Mexicans, etc., etc. Heck, Native American patronage is written into law.

    There used to be lots of White patronage networks (politics, unions, business), but these were mostly outlawed back in the 60s-80s era. In addition to that, Whites have become very individualistic and socially atomized in recent decades, so the concept of a patronage network seems odd to a lot of them. For the most part, only elite Whites (like the Bushes and Kennedys) really have these patronage networks these days.

    Lots of Anglo-Germanic Whites are naive enough to think that they can make it as individuals. A lot of the rest of the world understands that if you want to get ahead in life, you need someone to put the thumb on the scale for you, whether it be a family member or a co-ethnic.

    In the Chinese culture, nepotism is so deeply ingrained, they have a term for it. “Guanxi.” China really isn’t unique in this regard, the whole world (other than the Anglo-Germanic nations and Japan) functions like this to some extent. There are some regions of the world with such extreme and irrational nepotism (like the Middle East and India) that China looks like Sweden in comparison.

    Way back in the old days, Anglo-Saxons used patronage networks pretty effectively to colonize much of the world. So it’s not that Anglos can’t set up patronage networks. It’s more that conditions have evolved in such a way that Anglo nepotism and social inter-connectedness have faded in recent decades.

    Some groups are very brazen in their nepotism.

    -Indians in IT/software.
    -Cubans and South Americans in business&politics in South Florida.
    -Italians in the east coast construction industry.
    -Irish in east coast political machines.
    -Jews in many different regions and industries.
    -Blacks in govt jobs and private sector “diversity” make-work.

  238. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?"

    Bubba. Maybe Bogardus.

    In England Kevin is pretty good clue.
    You can normally get odds of about 5,000 to 1 that up-coming Royal Sprogs won’t be so labeled.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    In England Kevin is pretty good clue.You can normally get odds of about 5,000 to 1 that up-coming Royal Sprogs won’t be so labeled.

    Ironically the meaning of 'Kevin' derived from Gaelic 'Caoimhín' is "of noble birth".
    , @Dan Hayes
    Note that in the US "Archie" connotates a comic strip character! How the Royal Family has fallen!
    , @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    This is pretty Europe-wide. Or at least Western Europe. “Kevin” is the go-to joke name for underclass in French, and I’m told it occupies the same role in German
  239. @Dennis Dale
    meaningless distinction

    No, the difference is significant.

  240. @Lugash

    Or maybe Compton’s notoriety as the home to gangsta rap is due to the fact that moderately educated blacks with okay jobs and ambitious sons tended to live there rather than in down-and-out Watts. 54% of Compton residents currently own their own home relative to 33% in Watts.
     
    If we could only have a government program, in partnership with the private sector, to raise minority home ownership.

    “If we could only have a government program, in partnership with the private sector, to raise minority home ownership”

    Round number two coming up soon as soon as enough people forget about 2008 housing crash.

  241. @Dennis Dale
    Oh thank God. I thought you'd deploy the "I am rubber you are glue..." defense. This is much better.

    Seriously, it's a child who cannot allow himself to recognize the seductive nature of his enemy. Hip hop culture needs to die. You think you're going to kill it with a wave of your hand? Besides "no musical value" would be mere noise (I know, I know, "but it is just noise"). It has beat, developed rhythm, melody. Obviously there's "musical value" in there--if not moral value.

    Things are complicated.

    People are being seduced en masse by this shit. I could turn away and pretend it's not happening, but I'm pretty sure that's how we boomers effed everything up in the first place. I'd rather get down in the dirt with the pigs. You can watch and heckle from the sidelines.

    What you're involved in here is denial. It's no help at all.

    Seriously, it’s a child who cannot allow himself to recognize the seductive nature of his enemy. Hip hop culture needs to die. You think you’re going to kill it with a wave of your hand? Besides “no musical value” would be mere noise (I know, I know, “but it is just noise”). It has beat, developed rhythm, melody. Obviously there’s “musical value” in there–if not moral value.

    Things are complicated.

    People are being seduced en masse by this shit. I could turn away and pretend it’s not happening, but I’m pretty sure that’s how we boomers effed everything up in the first place. I’d rather get down in the dirt with the pigs. You can watch and heckle from the sidelines.

    What you’re involved in here is denial. It’s no help at all.

    No one’s in denial. We are simply unacquainted with the phenomenon of which you speak. I would say we’re too old, but you’re older than I am.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    Oh my. I'm completely unmanned. Not really feeling the burn, Ben, when you guys are the ones wheezing like the grandpa in the Simpsons.

    All I said: no, there is in fact "musical value" in rap. Anything else is stomping your feet and refusing to think.

    A mark of youth. You're a little behind in your maturation though. Better hurry up and mature or senility will render the process moot.

  242. @Faraday's Bobcat
    What about Clete Boyer?

    I knew a fiftyish Cletus who went by Clete.

    What about Clete Boyer?

    The late Clete Boyer was named Cletis Leroy Boyer. Close but no cigar.

  243. @ben tillman

    Seriously, it’s a child who cannot allow himself to recognize the seductive nature of his enemy. Hip hop culture needs to die. You think you’re going to kill it with a wave of your hand? Besides “no musical value” would be mere noise (I know, I know, “but it is just noise”). It has beat, developed rhythm, melody. Obviously there’s “musical value” in there–if not moral value.

    Things are complicated.

    People are being seduced en masse by this shit. I could turn away and pretend it’s not happening, but I’m pretty sure that’s how we boomers effed everything up in the first place. I’d rather get down in the dirt with the pigs. You can watch and heckle from the sidelines.

    What you’re involved in here is denial. It’s no help at all.
     
    No one's in denial. We are simply unacquainted with the phenomenon of which you speak. I would say we're too old, but you're older than I am.

    Oh my. I’m completely unmanned. Not really feeling the burn, Ben, when you guys are the ones wheezing like the grandpa in the Simpsons.

    All I said: no, there is in fact “musical value” in rap. Anything else is stomping your feet and refusing to think.

    A mark of youth. You’re a little behind in your maturation though. Better hurry up and mature or senility will render the process moot.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Oh my. I’m completely unmanned. Not really feeling the burn, Ben, when you guys are the ones wheezing like the grandpa in the Simpsons.
     
    What burn? You're weirdly taking offense at the fact that I was never exposed to the thing you're talking about.

    All I said: no, there is in fact “musical value” in rap.
     
    That's not all -- or even most -- of what you said. Your comment was largely about people being seduced by hip-hop culture (or something similar or related). And that is something completely alien to me. I have never observed or even heard of such a thing. Nor do I have any idea how or why that would happen. Why does that upset you?

    Anything else is stomping your feet and refusing to think.
     
    Talking about the subject of your comment is "stomping [my] feet and refusing to think"? People who do not get the seductiveness of your topic are not in denial. They just don't know what the hell you're talking about. And you'd rather fight than inform.
  244. @MikeatMikedotMike
    https://uclabruins.com/sports/softball/roster/bubba-nickles/9200


    *Shockingly this comment is being allowed.

    The fine print says she born Madilyn.

  245. @anonymous
    nb: this is how Stephen Miller became Stephen Miller.

    There are tons of kids like Stephen Miller at elite colleges trying to get jobs as Congressional aides like Stephen Miller did. Jewish, upper middle class, politically ambitious.

    Stephen Miller happened to go to one of the rare high schools that has both a large number of upper middle class Jews and "diversity." He was radicalized by his alienating experience at a public school in a way that I would assume his parents weren't even aware of--Santa Monica is a very expensive school district but for quirks of LA school district politics the population of Santa Monica high school has only a *minority* of people like Stephen Miller's parents who can afford to actually live in Santa Monica.

    So, it is an unusual thing where it's not like a white flight suburb where the public school is all upper middle class or the urban thing where rich kids just go to private schools. I mean, plenty of Miller's peers and mine did go to private schools (Brentwood, Harvard-Westlake, etc.) but we didn't. It's a big school so there was a big cohort of upper middle class kids. But we were still literally a minority. I think that puts our school in a very narrow, specific niche.

    David Cole is another LA Jew who got redpilled by LA public schools but according to him he went to an outright ghetto school, which is of course its own experience. Samohi was truly diverse and if you felt alienated from minorities there would be plenty of other rich Jewish kids among whom you could sequester yourself and observe the fruits of diversity.

    I’ve felt for some time that my one year attendance at an 50% ghetto black school and the things learned, and unlearned, there created the greatest social distance between me and my fellow white cognitive career colleagues.

  246. @Dennis Dale
    Oh my. I'm completely unmanned. Not really feeling the burn, Ben, when you guys are the ones wheezing like the grandpa in the Simpsons.

    All I said: no, there is in fact "musical value" in rap. Anything else is stomping your feet and refusing to think.

    A mark of youth. You're a little behind in your maturation though. Better hurry up and mature or senility will render the process moot.

    Oh my. I’m completely unmanned. Not really feeling the burn, Ben, when you guys are the ones wheezing like the grandpa in the Simpsons.

    What burn? You’re weirdly taking offense at the fact that I was never exposed to the thing you’re talking about.

    All I said: no, there is in fact “musical value” in rap.

    That’s not all — or even most — of what you said. Your comment was largely about people being seduced by hip-hop culture (or something similar or related). And that is something completely alien to me. I have never observed or even heard of such a thing. Nor do I have any idea how or why that would happen. Why does that upset you?

    Anything else is stomping your feet and refusing to think.

    Talking about the subject of your comment is “stomping [my] feet and refusing to think”? People who do not get the seductiveness of your topic are not in denial. They just don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. And you’d rather fight than inform.

  247. @Bill Jones
    In England Kevin is pretty good clue.
    You can normally get odds of about 5,000 to 1 that up-coming Royal Sprogs won't be so labeled.

    In England Kevin is pretty good clue.You can normally get odds of about 5,000 to 1 that up-coming Royal Sprogs won’t be so labeled.

    Ironically the meaning of ‘Kevin’ derived from Gaelic ‘Caoimhín’ is “of noble birth”.

  248. @MikeatMikedotMike
    https://uclabruins.com/sports/softball/roster/bubba-nickles/9200


    *Shockingly this comment is being allowed.

    Alas…from the link

    PERSONAL
    Born Madilyn Ida-Marie Nickles in Merced, Calif.

  249. @Jack D
    Do people actually name their kids Bubba on their birth certificates? I've never met a living human being named Bogardus. Maybe some people have this as a birth name but they go by some other name. Wasn't Bogardus once an old and distinguished NY Dutch surname? Why would a lower class person name their kid Bogardus?

    Do people actually name their kids Bubba on their birth certificates?

    I’ve known two Bubbas in my life (well three if you count Bubba Watson the golfer, but I don’t know him). Both were “Juniors” and Bubba was just what they were called as toddlers. One of them went by his given name about the time he was a teen, but older relatives that knew him when was small still call him Bubba.

  250. @Stan Adams
    What about Jughead, Reggie, Betty, and Veronica?

    Lol! Careful, you don’t want to give Harry and Meghan any more bad ideas. Though I’m sure “Veronica” wouldn’t make their list of baby names. “Ronnie” might, but only for a girl.

  251. @Carol
    Then her endorsement of Biden today is really diabolical!

    “Then her[Hillary’s]endorsement of Biden today is really diabolical!”

    Hillary is really diabolical, period.

  252. @Jack D
    Does any white person actually name their kids "Cletus" anymore outside of cartoons? 'Cause black people DEFINITELY still name their kids D'Shawn and other phony made up names. If you were trying to signal lower class whiteness, what name would you actually use?

    Is there an ACTUAL white person name that is a "tell" for being lower class? I know that one such tell is giving your kid a nickname as the name on his birth certificate - e.g. John Edwards really name is "Johnny". Billy, Bob, etc.

    “Does any white person actually name their kids “Cletus” anymore outside of cartoons?”

    The McFarlands named a son Cleetus, and he became a YouTube personality. He “goofs” with cars and draws roughly as many eyes as a popular show on CNN. Makes a decent living at having fun:

  253. @Dennis Dale
    Keep it up, fellow boomer. We're one more geezer shaking his fist and declaring "that's not music!" away from victory.

    In all seriousness, this misses the point. If rap was "good music" and still did what it does--turning women into hoes and boys into bros--then I would still want it to die.

    In fact I do still "like" rap music and see musical value in it. But I'd give it up tomorrow to be rid of its effect.

    People mistake artistic or aesthetic good with moral good. It sucks they aren't the same. But they aren't.

    “People mistake artistic or aesthetic good with moral good. It sucks they aren’t the same. But they aren’t.”

    Some thought or think of it as the anthem/movie of their generation:

  254. @Dennis Dale
    Keep it up, fellow boomer. We're one more geezer shaking his fist and declaring "that's not music!" away from victory.

    In all seriousness, this misses the point. If rap was "good music" and still did what it does--turning women into hoes and boys into bros--then I would still want it to die.

    In fact I do still "like" rap music and see musical value in it. But I'd give it up tomorrow to be rid of its effect.

    People mistake artistic or aesthetic good with moral good. It sucks they aren't the same. But they aren't.

    “People mistake artistic or aesthetic good with moral good. It sucks they aren’t the same. But they aren’t.”

    Some thought or think of it as the anthem/movie of their generation:

  255. @Bill Jones
    In England Kevin is pretty good clue.
    You can normally get odds of about 5,000 to 1 that up-coming Royal Sprogs won't be so labeled.

    Note that in the US “Archie” connotates a comic strip character! How the Royal Family has fallen!

  256. @Jack D
    When Ahab points to the spot where he will be waiting for Moby Dick, he points to Bikini Atoll. This is an anachronism. In those days it would have been known as Eschscholtz Atoll on Western maps and was only given its current name in 1946 after the Americans took it over.

    It is accurate thought that American whaling ships visited the Marshall Islands during the period when Moby Dick is set (1840s). It's really crazy that during a period when most people never traveled more than 100 miles from their birthplace in their entire life, American whalers were scouring every corner of the globe for lamp oil (while meanwhile there was an incredible quantity of petroleum oil right under their feet).

    I hurriedly checked the chapter in the book “Ahab’s logs” and there is no indication or mention of any Isle . So that was just a little dose of Lefty BS . As for myself , I would strike God if he insulted me .

    • Replies: @Kylie
    "Is it I, God, or who, that lifts this arm?"
  257. @Steve Sailer
    Junior colleges are pretty decent because they don't make the students who don't want to be there be there.

    You’d think California community colleges—the vast majority of whose students are POC working class kids—would be hotbeds of activism. But no. CC students are kids who want to lift themselves and their families up.

  258. @Bill Jones
    In England Kevin is pretty good clue.
    You can normally get odds of about 5,000 to 1 that up-coming Royal Sprogs won't be so labeled.

    This is pretty Europe-wide. Or at least Western Europe. “Kevin” is the go-to joke name for underclass in French, and I’m told it occupies the same role in German

  259. @donut
    I hurriedly checked the chapter in the book "Ahab's logs" and there is no indication or mention of any Isle . So that was just a little dose of Lefty BS . As for myself , I would strike God if he insulted me .

    “Is it I, God, or who, that lifts this arm?”

    • Replies: @donut
    Good question .
  260. @Kylie
    "Is it I, God, or who, that lifts this arm?"

    Good question .

    • Replies: @Kylie
    Great speech from my favorite chapter.
  261. @donut
    Good question .

    Great speech from my favorite chapter.

    • Replies: @donut
    "Is it I , God , or who that lifts this arm ?" I think that is the fundamental question for real . The monotheistic prophets are all liars that will relieve you of any responsibility and fear in exchange for selling yourself into slavery . How much easier that must be than to push alone through the terror to the final extinguishing answer . "Gone , gone , gone beyond"
  262. @Anonymous
    Uh... in the seventies, Compton was a "no go" area for white folks. I played on the football team at my high school, I recall when we had to play a night game as visitors at Compton High, our busses had a four car police escort, with lights but no siren, so we didn’t have to obey stop lights coming in, or going out. Every time our team had to go there it was fucking intense, especially heading home after we won a game.

    Whenever Compton High played a night game at our school, police presence was tripled, and damned if a visiting Comptonite booster didn’t pull off a successful strong-armed robbery or purse snatching in one of the parking lots after the game, despite the heavy police presence.

    I know there were many relatively sedate, successful middle-class black communities in the South. Compton did not reflect that black workin' joe mentality.. The city was pretty crazy, and dangerous, when it was majority black. Once the Latino’s literally ran them out, crime dropped dramatically, and most recently, they reopened MLK Hospital. The first California hospital opened and run by blacks, that went bankrupt. I understand it’s doing very well now, since it’s been deblacked. What they have left of a black city council has a long history of almost comical corruption.

    Anyway, I think the conclusion drawn by the writer might not be very well informed, and if his visit was recent, then he is leaving out the Latino-led very successful pogroms against blacks over the last 20 years, and the results tied to that. He’s either ignorant, or not honest.

    ‘… then he is leaving out the Latino-led very successful pogroms against blacks over the last 20 years…’

    The concept of ‘Latino-led pogroms’ is appealing, and I’d be all for them — but I suspect the truth is more mundane.

    As long as a neighborhood is black, all a property owner can do is rent — and rent for not much.

    Now, Latinos are house-buying fools. They will do anything to buy a house — kind of stupid that way, actually. Guess who got stuck with half the over-priced inner-city housing stock in the 2008 crash?

    But it all does tend to drive out the Darkies. A property owner — used to asking for $500.00 a month and gritting his teeth when his house gets destroyed and the rent doesn’t get paid yet again — suddenly discovers he can sell that same house to Benito and his wife for $200,000.

    Guess what happens?

  263. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "As Mr. Sailer has pointed out, in the future blacks will marvel at the fact that for awhile they were in control of some of the best real estate in various major cities but let it get away from them"

    There's no evidence that blacks possess the self awareness to make such an observation after the fact. When has the negro, as a group or an individual, looked back upon his poor decisions and said "Man, I wish I had done that differently!" I'm going to get a cup of coffee while I wait for my answer.

    I would no more expect a raccoon to feel regret about infesting the attic of a really nice house.

    *This is my one allowed comment of the day, courtesy of free speech champion Ron Unz.

    *This is my one allowed comment of the day, courtesy of free speech champion Ron Unz.

    Yet, I am allowed to post freely.

    Heh heh heh heh

  264. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara
    The music industry seems to get a degree angrier when their spell is broken versus movie studios (who also get angry, don't get me wrong). Perhaps authenticity in a recording artists is really make or break more so than actors. Hence this backlash against Ellish.

    The Rolling Stones in pop music really pushed their false image to sell records. Mick Jagger is a nerdy LSE graduate who understands marketing better than most of us on this planet, and has put on a show being a tough-guy rock star since, to sellout bonanzas.

    Later musicians followed suit, until you couldn't just put out a record with good tunes, you had to have an image that fit it and seemed to live that image in every way shape and form.

    I've written this before, but NWA and gangsta rap was a step forward in this area, where the music companies sought to control all of rap by demanding "street cred", which only other record-company artists could give.

    Say what you will of Jagger, his command of a rock and roll stage and ability to work a crowd are unparalleled. He’s the canonical rock and roll front man and The Rolling Stones are the most successful rock band in history.

    I’ve only seen them once but I’ve never seen that large an audience immediately on their feet as when the curtain opened on them. The reaction was…..I have never seen anything else like it. Nothing.

    I saw Frank Zappa four times with bands playing stuff no one else could have. I saw Van Halen with DLR in their early days. I saw Mose Allison and Dick Dale do some impressive stuff, albeit in small clubs. I saw the then unknown Mark 1 Pretenders utterly upstage The Who, at the old Arena where the St.Louis Blues played. But nothing like the Stones’ impact.

    All I can compare it to are the scenes in “Triumph of the Will”. I really do consider it a great loss to history that Riefenstahl did not get to film a Stones concert.

  265. @kaganovitch
    I wonder how much Whites have given up by not cultivating patronage networks for themselves and, instead, helping other groups.

    Wife #1 was also not Jewish. She converted to marry his nibs.

    Wife #1 was also not Jewish. She converted to marry his nibs.

    Uh…didn’t you forget to put converted between quotation marks?

    Shouldn’t people realize that conversion for ulterior motives is not halakhically valid? (Even when it’s the President’s daughter…)

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Uh…didn’t you forget to put converted between quotation marks? Shouldn’t people realize that conversion for ulterior motives is not halakhically valid? (Even when it’s the President’s daughter…)

    I did indeed forget the q.m. Btw it is not entirely true that ulterior motives disqualify conversion halachically after the fact. See Maimonides Mishneh Torah , Issurei Biah 13-17 "When a court did not check a [potential] converts background and did not inform him of the mitzvot and the punishment for [the failure to observe] the mitzvot and he circumcised himself and immersed in the presence of three ordinary people, he is a convert. Even if it is discovered that he converted for an ulterior motive, since he circumcised himself and converted, he has departed from the category of gentiles and we view him with skepticism until his righteousness is revealed. Even if afterwards, [the convert] worships false deities, he is like an apostate Jew. [If he] consecrates [a woman,] the consecration is valid, and it is a mitzvah to return his lost object. For since he immersed himself he became a Jew.
  266. @Dissident

    Wife #1 was also not Jewish. She converted to marry his nibs.
     
    Uh...didn't you forget to put converted between quotation marks?

    Shouldn't people realize that conversion for ulterior motives is not halakhically valid? (Even when it's the President's daughter...)

    Uh…didn’t you forget to put converted between quotation marks? Shouldn’t people realize that conversion for ulterior motives is not halakhically valid? (Even when it’s the President’s daughter…)

    I did indeed forget the q.m. Btw it is not entirely true that ulterior motives disqualify conversion halachically after the fact. See Maimonides Mishneh Torah , Issurei Biah 13-17 “When a court did not check a [potential] converts background and did not inform him of the mitzvot and the punishment for [the failure to observe] the mitzvot and he circumcised himself and immersed in the presence of three ordinary people, he is a convert. Even if it is discovered that he converted for an ulterior motive, since he circumcised himself and converted, he has departed from the category of gentiles and we view him with skepticism until his righteousness is revealed. Even if afterwards, [the convert] worships false deities, he is like an apostate Jew. [If he] consecrates [a woman,] the consecration is valid, and it is a mitzvah to return his lost object. For since he immersed himself he became a Jew.

  267. @Alice
    You're late to the party. There is a whole world of women with Masters in Public Health who have been trying to get by knocking out fat shaming and high school shooter papers, who just found out they are credentialed to tell people what to do if they want their business being be deemed "essential" and "following public health recommendations" so it can reopen, and they are relishing their new power.

    Maybe I’m not up to date on the news, but I have not seen one article that says any guvmint “workers” anywhere have been laid off. I guess even the proverbial surly babe at the DMV is essential even though it is closed.

  268. @Anon

    I interviewed for a city job once in Compton. The panel I interviewed with was all black and I wasn’t.
     
    Luke Rosiak at the Washington Times wrote a 3-part series, with some followups, on the Washington Metro system, which illustrates the reverse affirmative action of gubmit jobs. At Metro 97 percent of bus and train drivers are black. If you are Hispanic, forget about it. White? Ha-ha-ha.

    2012-03-26 Metro derailed by culture of complacence, incompetence, lack of diversity
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/26/metro-derailed-by-culture-of-complacence-incompete/

    2012-03-28 Even with big salaries, Metro can't fill its jobs
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/27/even-with-big-salaries-metro-cant-fill-its-jobs/

    2012-04-02 Metro transit police: Not quite the region's finest
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-police-not-quite-dcs-finest/

    2012-04-02 Metro gag order at odds with law
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/1/metro-gag-order-at-odds-with-law/

    2012-05-03 Metro closes ranks against outside 'attacks'
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/3/metro-closes-ranks-against-outside-attacks/

    2011-12-28 Report finds Metro hiring process skirted
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/28/report-finds-metro-hiring-process-skirted/

    2012-07-26 Metro reimbursed questionable college courses for half-million dollars
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/26/college-takes-some-metro-workers-for-off-the-rails/

    Remember the white-adjacent woman who tweeted a photo of a Metro worker eating on the train, against the rules? The Metro Police Chief immediately and retroactively changed the rules, legalizing eating as well as fare evasion and spitting on trains.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/05/11/dc-pundit-shamed-metro-worker-eating-train-now-her-book-deal-is-jeopardy/

    WMATA was so corrupt that its inspectors were falsifying their safety reports. After a series of accidents, some fatal, they put a white guy in charge who started doing emergency inspections and fixes to the entire system. I can only imagine the overtime costs.

  269. @anonymous

    You’ve never been to West Virgina, or Oklahoma, or Arkansas.
    You are an idiot.
     
    Well, I may be a lot of things, but I'm certainly no ingrate. Thank you for debunking a claim I never made. Being a culturally pure southern californian, I have plenty of experience, and I dareswear a particular sensitivity to the Arkie, and especially Oakie, since many a dustbowl wretch have tie their dying mother down to the hood of their decrepit, stolen Packard, and crawled their way to California to try to learn how to pick fruit.

    While admittedly, too many of them made it over the Sierra Madres in their broken down jalopies, too few of them made it over the far more treacherous embankments of the left side of the Bell Curve, inevitably tumbling back to the death valley of their own dustbowl dumbassery.

    I mean seriously, why would anyone choose to live in Oklahoma who understood the concept of pain like a functioning human? The state is basically Bakersfield, with tornadoes. Who in their right mind would choose to live in that hellpit, unless they couldn't function on, or conceive of, anywhere else on the planet?

    During the indian wars, Oklahoma basically became a balkanized state. It's America's Macedonia. The place where refugee's on the run deposited their human scum. A dumpsite for those looking to forget their mistakes, and move on. The pile of festering human waste got so big, they just called it, "Oklahoma."

    Hope this helps.

    The state is basically Bakersfield, with tornadoes.

    That is hilarious. LOL. Well done.

  270. @Clyde
    Mick is an LSE dropout who got notoriously ripped off by Allen Klein. Klein is gone but his company and family still own the Stones pre 1968 catalog. Mick wised up after this but the riches didn't flow until the Stones were fortunate enough to hire Prince Loewenstein to get their finances in order.

    Loewenstein was the Rolling Stones' business adviser and financial manager from 1968 until 2007.[2] In 1968, then working in London as a merchant banker, he was introduced to Mick Jagger by a mutual friend, art dealer Christopher Gibbs. According to Keith Richards, Loewenstein had never heard of Jagger before then.[11] Jagger was of the opinion that the Stones' then manager, Allen Klein, was not paying them everything they were due.[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Rupert_Loewenstein
     

    IIRC, Klein paid the Stones $3 million for their catalog which was not chump change 50 years ago. How is that “ripping them off?”

    I agree that AK was a weasel but nobody held a gun to Mick’s head.

  271. @Reg Cæsar

    Compton is now mostly Latino but I believe most of the government jobs and politicians are still black.

     

    Latins are lousy enough politicians. Add to that their lack of eligibility in a foreign (to them) country-- blacks are citizens, after all-- and this is not very surprising.

    How does Weird Al's Lyndale rate?

    If memory serves me right Compton is 70% latino…..ironic given black Americans still blather on about a Mexican city as if they still owned it. As scary as it is for me to say the 1980s are now 40 yrs old….

  272. @donut
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDjwUzUnNpU . In Memoriam
    John P. Davis . Lost at sea Dec. 9th 1992 from the Exxon New Orleans off the coast of Alaska .

    A correction : lost at sea Dec. 9th 1991 .

  273. @Kylie
    Great speech from my favorite chapter.

    “Is it I , God , or who that lifts this arm ?” I think that is the fundamental question for real . The monotheistic prophets are all liars that will relieve you of any responsibility and fear in exchange for selling yourself into slavery . How much easier that must be than to push alone through the terror to the final extinguishing answer . “Gone , gone , gone beyond”

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