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From my book review of Charles Murray’s Human Diversity in Taki’s Magazine:
…To make his 319 pages of main text less digressive, Murray has exiled a huge amount of material to the 190 pages of fine print at the back.
I was particularly interested in his update to The Bell Curve in the endnotes from page 416 to 423. What’s happened over the past quarter of a century?
Obviously, Herrnstein and Murray’s main forecast—that the cognitive elite would continue to do better than the noncognitive elite—has come true. So has their most notorious prediction—that group differences in intelligence, such as the white-black gap, would remain largely intractable.
But what about the inside-baseball stats on IQ and income? In Human Diversity’s endnotes, Murray reports on both the 1979 National Longitudinal Study of Youth cohort of over 10,000 late baby boomers and the 1997 NLSY study of a similar number of kids born in the early 1980s.
When the incomes of the 1979 NLSY cohort were evaluated in 1993 when they were 30 to 35 years old, blacks and whites with the same IQs earned the same amount of money. Hispanics, however, earned 6 percent less. Asians were so few they weren’t broken out separately back then.
When the subsequent 1997 NLSY cohort was evaluated in 2014, however, immigrant groups were doing better than whites and blacks. Latinos outearned whites with similar IQs by 2 percent, and Asians outearned equally smart whites by a stunning 57 percent.
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I’m reading the book and enjoying it. It seems like a genetics update to The Bell Curve. I think his book would have been better if he talked about the pyschometric evidence since TBC that supports group differences and then incorporated the genetic date.
What is the deal with Mr. Murray and his take on President Trump, anyway?
In a recent interview, he praises the president for his Supreme Court and other judicial nominees and in the next moment declaims that he is “not the leader for these times” because of his personal moral defects or some such complaint.
Is Charles Murray being the sort of elitist that he criticizes as “being in a bubble.” Has he gone out and actually talked to people regarding their reasons for supporting President Trump?
Sad.
Trump has terrible flaws but it did not preclude him from being the best candidate when given a choice between Trump vs. Hillary Clinton. Given the same choice, I would vote for him again.
The question for 2020 is what choice will we have before us.
I do think he may have been the only person that could have moved the Overton window at a national level, and for that I am grateful.Replies: @Kronos, @Desiderius
Charles Murray is a junk scientist and has been owned by REAL scientists (for example Adam Rutherford) it is almost pathetic.
Quoting prominent scientist Angela Saini: “There is a lot of political capital to be had from making the erroneous claim that inequality in the world is not there because of social or political factors, it’s not there because of history and the way that people have been unfairly treated, but because of biology,” “When The Bell Curve came out, it was so comprehensively debunked by scientists and critics that we should really have left this behind by now.”
Murray has long used his notoriety as a marketing ploy. Despite a lack of scientific credentials and a penchant for relying on dubious sources, he has cast himself as a heroic investigator who is simply after the truth.
Did you know that Charles Murray has been named an extremist of hate by the Southern Poverty Law Center? https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/charles-murray
That tells you something right there
Your a real person?
I thought you were just a bot that spouted three of four lines of sjw drivel.
Good lord.
Also, Saini isn't even a scholar. He latest book was debunked by even run of the mill scholars.
Try harder.
Quoting prominent scientist Angela Saini: “There is a lot of political capital to be had from making the erroneous claim that inequality in the world is not there because of social or political factors, it’s not there because of history and the way that people have been unfairly treated, but because of biology,” “When The Bell Curve came out, it was so comprehensively debunked by scientists and critics that we should really have left this behind by now.”
Murray has long used his notoriety as a marketing ploy. Despite a lack of scientific credentials and a penchant for relying on dubious sources, he has cast himself as a heroic investigator who is simply after the truth.
Did you know that Charles Murray has been named an extremist of hate by the Southern Poverty Law Center? https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/charles-murray
That tells you something right thereReplies: @Jack D, @Pheasant, @Dissident, @Peeekabooo, @mkraft
Good job, Tiny Duck. You strike the perfect note of straight faced parody. Sometimes your parodies are absurd or off tone but you get it just right here, where you really have to think, “Is it Babylon Bee or NPR” because it’s not obvious.
Quoting prominent scientist Angela Saini: “There is a lot of political capital to be had from making the erroneous claim that inequality in the world is not there because of social or political factors, it’s not there because of history and the way that people have been unfairly treated, but because of biology,” “When The Bell Curve came out, it was so comprehensively debunked by scientists and critics that we should really have left this behind by now.”
Murray has long used his notoriety as a marketing ploy. Despite a lack of scientific credentials and a penchant for relying on dubious sources, he has cast himself as a heroic investigator who is simply after the truth.
Did you know that Charles Murray has been named an extremist of hate by the Southern Poverty Law Center? https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/charles-murray
That tells you something right thereReplies: @Jack D, @Pheasant, @Dissident, @Peeekabooo, @mkraft
Wait a minuie!
Your a real person?
I thought you were just a bot that spouted three of four lines of sjw drivel.
Good lord.
In our sphere, this is known as a “calling card”.
It’s interesting he started off talking about the dangers of economic protectionist literature. That it might “corrupt the youth” against free trade orthodoxy. That unless your an expert, it might lead you astray.
In a recent interview, he praises the president for his Supreme Court and other judicial nominees and in the next moment declaims that he is "not the leader for these times" because of his personal moral defects or some such complaint.
Is Charles Murray being the sort of elitist that he criticizes as "being in a bubble." Has he gone out and actually talked to people regarding their reasons for supporting President Trump?
Sad.Replies: @Muse, @RichardTaylor
Just because Trump has made some good judicial appointments does not mean he is without some terrible flaws. He allowed John Bolton into his cabinet for crying out loud.
Trump has terrible flaws but it did not preclude him from being the best candidate when given a choice between Trump vs. Hillary Clinton. Given the same choice, I would vote for him again.
The question for 2020 is what choice will we have before us.
I do think he may have been the only person that could have moved the Overton window at a national level, and for that I am grateful.
Your kindergarten-level anthropology has led you astray.Replies: @vhrm
In a recent interview, he praises the president for his Supreme Court and other judicial nominees and in the next moment declaims that he is "not the leader for these times" because of his personal moral defects or some such complaint.
Is Charles Murray being the sort of elitist that he criticizes as "being in a bubble." Has he gone out and actually talked to people regarding their reasons for supporting President Trump?
Sad.Replies: @Muse, @RichardTaylor
Charles Murray was very anti-Trump. He was part of the “intellectual” conservative crew that found him ever so distasteful. He throws in with fellas like Jonah Goldberg. I think he calls himself a “Madisonian Constitutionalist” or something like that. So, while he talks about race, he doesn’t really seem to have any real fellow-feeling for Whites. So I doubt he has any populist inclinations.
Trump has terrible flaws but it did not preclude him from being the best candidate when given a choice between Trump vs. Hillary Clinton. Given the same choice, I would vote for him again.
The question for 2020 is what choice will we have before us.
I do think he may have been the only person that could have moved the Overton window at a national level, and for that I am grateful.Replies: @Kronos, @Desiderius
Thankfully, he kicked him out.
Quoting prominent scientist Angela Saini: “There is a lot of political capital to be had from making the erroneous claim that inequality in the world is not there because of social or political factors, it’s not there because of history and the way that people have been unfairly treated, but because of biology,” “When The Bell Curve came out, it was so comprehensively debunked by scientists and critics that we should really have left this behind by now.”
Murray has long used his notoriety as a marketing ploy. Despite a lack of scientific credentials and a penchant for relying on dubious sources, he has cast himself as a heroic investigator who is simply after the truth.
Did you know that Charles Murray has been named an extremist of hate by the Southern Poverty Law Center? https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/charles-murray
That tells you something right thereReplies: @Jack D, @Pheasant, @Dissident, @Peeekabooo, @mkraft
It actually tells one a great deal — about the $PLC, not Murray.
First off, for whatever reason my iPhone doesn’t allow access to this website but rarely for some reason, which is odd because I used to not have that problem and visited multiple times a day.
So forgive me for addressing a topic by Sailer on another piece of his concerning American Black IQ
Darwinian forces together with selective breeding by slave owners ensured the survival of the brightest of the raw African population.
Quoting prominent scientist Angela Saini: “There is a lot of political capital to be had from making the erroneous claim that inequality in the world is not there because of social or political factors, it’s not there because of history and the way that people have been unfairly treated, but because of biology,” “When The Bell Curve came out, it was so comprehensively debunked by scientists and critics that we should really have left this behind by now.”
Murray has long used his notoriety as a marketing ploy. Despite a lack of scientific credentials and a penchant for relying on dubious sources, he has cast himself as a heroic investigator who is simply after the truth.
Did you know that Charles Murray has been named an extremist of hate by the Southern Poverty Law Center? https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/charles-murray
That tells you something right thereReplies: @Jack D, @Pheasant, @Dissident, @Peeekabooo, @mkraft
You know the SPLC is Jewish and has an agenda to undermine White unity, right?
Also, Saini isn’t even a scholar. He latest book was debunked by even run of the mill scholars.
Try harder.
Trump has terrible flaws but it did not preclude him from being the best candidate when given a choice between Trump vs. Hillary Clinton. Given the same choice, I would vote for him again.
The question for 2020 is what choice will we have before us.
I do think he may have been the only person that could have moved the Overton window at a national level, and for that I am grateful.Replies: @Kronos, @Desiderius
If Trump had terrible flaws people would be talking about them instead of flailing about impotently at an abstract level. Likewise with the impeachment farce.
Your kindergarten-level anthropology has led you astray.
And the Russia investigation and the impeachment are BS.
But the man lies constantly about everything from his wealth to his weight, let alone what he did or didn't do or what he said or didn't say.
And some of what isn't lies... is just bad misleading speech. e.g there's a quote feel him today at a rally where he said something like: "America's having the best couple of years ever in our history, and they're impeaching me! Can you believe it?"
The defense against the impeachment is that the charges are BS, (by which i mean not an impeachable offense, imo) not "but the economy's good".
He's an antihero at best.Replies: @Desiderius
Very few do. We’re Americans, not Whites. My identity is based on firmer footing than Peggy McIntosh’s need for an alibi.
Your kindergarten-level anthropology has led you astray.Replies: @vhrm
Come on… like Muse i would also vote for him again vs Hil.
And the Russia investigation and the impeachment are BS.
But the man lies constantly about everything from his wealth to his weight, let alone what he did or didn’t do or what he said or didn’t say.
And some of what isn’t lies… is just bad misleading speech. e.g there’s a quote feel him today at a rally where he said something like: “America’s having the best couple of years ever in our history, and they’re impeaching me! Can you believe it?”
The defense against the impeachment is that the charges are BS, (by which i mean not an impeachable offense, imo) not “but the economy’s good”.
He’s an antihero at best.
Of course that statement isn't a defense agfainst impeachment, it wasn't intended as one. Trump only plays defense when he absolutely has to, and he doesn't now. As usual, he's on the counterattack, at which he is a (much needed, and perhaps too little/late) master.
You were so desperate for a lie you had to misconstrue the purpose of his statement to construct one, and a weak one at that. Again, if he were in fact an inveterate liar you wouldn't have to work that hard.
As with any President there are things to quibble with, but he is in fact more honest and transparent than any President in our lifetime.
And the Russia investigation and the impeachment are BS.
But the man lies constantly about everything from his wealth to his weight, let alone what he did or didn't do or what he said or didn't say.
And some of what isn't lies... is just bad misleading speech. e.g there's a quote feel him today at a rally where he said something like: "America's having the best couple of years ever in our history, and they're impeaching me! Can you believe it?"
The defense against the impeachment is that the charges are BS, (by which i mean not an impeachable offense, imo) not "but the economy's good".
He's an antihero at best.Replies: @Desiderius
And you prove my point – no specifics.
Of course that statement isn’t a defense agfainst impeachment, it wasn’t intended as one. Trump only plays defense when he absolutely has to, and he doesn’t now. As usual, he’s on the counterattack, at which he is a (much needed, and perhaps too little/late) master.
You were so desperate for a lie you had to misconstrue the purpose of his statement to construct one, and a weak one at that. Again, if he were in fact an inveterate liar you wouldn’t have to work that hard.
As with any President there are things to quibble with, but he is in fact more honest and transparent than any President in our lifetime.
Quoting prominent scientist Angela Saini: “There is a lot of political capital to be had from making the erroneous claim that inequality in the world is not there because of social or political factors, it’s not there because of history and the way that people have been unfairly treated, but because of biology,” “When The Bell Curve came out, it was so comprehensively debunked by scientists and critics that we should really have left this behind by now.”
Murray has long used his notoriety as a marketing ploy. Despite a lack of scientific credentials and a penchant for relying on dubious sources, he has cast himself as a heroic investigator who is simply after the truth.
Did you know that Charles Murray has been named an extremist of hate by the Southern Poverty Law Center? https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/charles-murray
That tells you something right thereReplies: @Jack D, @Pheasant, @Dissident, @Peeekabooo, @mkraft
Assuming this post wasn’t intended as parody, Tiny Duck might do well to read the chapter about the SPLC in Michelle Malkin’s “OPEN BORDERS INC.”
–> Chapter 6. “HATE MACHINE: THE SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER”
Scathing attack? — Yes.
Fully referenced and annotated? — Yes, that too.