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My new Taki’s Magazine column is entitled “Last Men Standing: Charles Murray vs. Ibram X. Kendi:”

Today, after 55 years of vast spending to eliminate the race gap on tests, the optimistic centrist education reformers of the “All We Have To Do Is Implement My Favorite Panacea” school are finally out of fashion, leaving Ibram X. Kendi and Charles Murray as the last men standing. One or the other must be right: either Murray (blacks, unfortunately, have problems because they tend to be less smart and more violent) or Kendi (any disparities demonstrate that whites are evil and therefore must pay).

To you or me, this might seem like an unfair fight: Murray is one of the great public intellectuals of my lifetime, while Kendi barely broke 1000 on his SAT.

But, The Establishment no longer really believes that race gaps can be reduced. Instead, the new conventional wisdom is Kendi’s: Tests must be abolished. This will make the problems caused by lower black intelligence go away for Underpants Gnomes reasons.

From the Daily Mail,

‘Does telling sailors they are either oppressors or oppressed improve the Navy’s lethality?’ GOP lawmakers grill top US admiral for including controversial book How To Be An Antiracist on Navy’s recommended reading list

Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday faced grilling at Wednesday hearing

GOP Reps. Jim Banks and Doug Lamborn pressed him on ‘woke’ reading list

Gilday added Ibram X. Kendi’s How To Be An Antiracist to sailors’ reading list

Controversial book is a keystone of modern critical race theory ideology

Gilday fired back at the suggestion that the Navy is ‘weak’ or ‘woke’

‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’

By KEITH GRIFFITH FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 22:21 EDT, 16 June 2021 | UPDATED: 23:24 EDT, 16 June 2021

 
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  1. The GOP has its moments. Wish at least a few senators had the guts to squash this Juneteenth nonsense yesterday but I guess you can’t win them all.

    What a pathetic disgrace for our Navy though.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Ed


    The GOP has its moments.
     
    At this point, if you say that with a straight face, you're a mark.
    , @RichardTaylor
    @Ed

    Dude, don't you think it's wrong to "stand up" for USA institutions that hate your guts? Isn't it immoral to support institutions that hate your White children?

    This is hardly new, it's been going on for decades. Don't try to save them. You're just empowering your children's enemies.

    , @Boomthorkell
    @Ed

    On the plus side, this bodes well for us hoping for a crushing naval defeat!

    It would be disheartening if these CIA-plants-cum-Admirals can actually fight a successful naval conflict.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Ed

    "What a pathetic disgrace for our Navy though"

    Admiral Gilday is the USN's top uniform bureaucrat. The Navy needs lots of bodies; the future for American bodies is in the darker hues. He could be a white anti-racist or a practical executive looking at the demographic reality. Either way it's good to get Kendi's magnum opus out there, exposed to sunlight. It's college freshman-level racist agitprop.

    , @3g4me
    @Ed

    @1 Ed: You are a classic enabler; easy to see why you support the GOP. I'm sure you'll go down with your 'principles' intact.

    , @tyrone
    @Ed

    The last senator to stand up to that kind of sh*t died july 4 2008.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  2. Truth v. Power.

    The Emperor’s New Clothes, repeated in different form.

    • Agree: Travis, Paul Jolliffe
  3. And once Favorinus, when he had yielded to Hadrian’s criticism of a word which he had used, raised a merry laugh among his friends. For when they reproached him for having done wrong in yielding to Hadrian in the matter of a word used by reputable authors, he replied: “You are urging a wrong course, my friends, when you do not suffer me to regard as the most learned of men the one who has thirty legions.” —Historia Augusta

    Until the huwite man wrestles back the commanding heights of his economy, his army, his society, his country…his “logic”, “reason”, “learning” will always be cowed by the vastly superior learning of pure and illegitimate force.

    • Agree: Currahee
  4. Ignorance Is Strength.

  5. @Ed
    The GOP has its moments. Wish at least a few senators had the guts to squash this Juneteenth nonsense yesterday but I guess you can’t win them all.

    What a pathetic disgrace for our Navy though.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @RichardTaylor, @Boomthorkell, @SunBakedSuburb, @3g4me, @tyrone

    The GOP has its moments.

    At this point, if you say that with a straight face, you’re a mark.

  6. @Ed
    The GOP has its moments. Wish at least a few senators had the guts to squash this Juneteenth nonsense yesterday but I guess you can’t win them all.

    What a pathetic disgrace for our Navy though.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @RichardTaylor, @Boomthorkell, @SunBakedSuburb, @3g4me, @tyrone

    Dude, don’t you think it’s wrong to “stand up” for USA institutions that hate your guts? Isn’t it immoral to support institutions that hate your White children?

    This is hardly new, it’s been going on for decades. Don’t try to save them. You’re just empowering your children’s enemies.

  7. ‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’

    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey’s tripe.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Bubba


    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey’s tripe.
     
    The top military brass in the U.S. are the equivalent of the generals of the Imperial Russian Or Austrian armies in 1914, who's chief qualifications were that they had very tall and impressive ostrich-plumed hats.

    Replies: @Spect3r, @International Jew

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Bubba



    ‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’
     
    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey’s tripe.
     
    It's a lot older than Casey and Dan Quayle. People have been spouting this rot for centuries.

    Anyone even moderately conversant with US history knows that the whitest states led the advancement of what civilization we had, while the most diverse states were little more than steamy jungle outposts where nobody actually worked.


    By the way, I was at a "MAGA" rally over the weekend and only one of the speakers spoke out against blacks. It was not her fellow "desi", whom the author below attacks here, but Sheriff Clarke (Ret.) of Milwaukee County, who repeatedly told the crowd we don't need police reform, but ghetto reform.


    "Whenever white people do something terrible — I could give you an example or you could just Google 'Karen' and save me the trouble — I often joke to my white friends that they have to collect their people. But now, given conservative political commentator Dinesh D’Souza’s recent statements defending the president and attacking Kamala Harris, I must accept my burden, and collect this idiot."

    Dinesh D’Souza’s Attacks On Kamala Harris Are Part Of A Bigger Problem In The Indian Community
     

    Replies: @Bubba

    , @Seneca44
    @Bubba

    Guys like Nimitz and Halsey who wanted to fight and win are long gone and won't be returning. Today's top brass in all US military branches would be more comfortable in a woke boardroom than any battlefield. Hope for continued peace won't prevent the barbarians from appearing at our gates and they won't be repelled by a politically correct but frail US military.

    Replies: @Bubba

    , @George True
    @Bubba

    You are perhaps familiar with this quote:

    "It is impossible to convince a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

  8. “Men (and women and nonbinaries and super-pregnant birthing people) in your ongoing mission to destroy/subjugate brown men-women-and-children abroad, you simply cannot be an effective killing-machine unless you perpetually apologize for your privilege. Got it? You’d better, goddammit!”

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  9. The political class is terrified of negro violence. Their fear dates back to the negro riots and the Kerner commission in the late 1960’s. But they are more frightened than ever now. The average white man is not frightened by negroes. But the average white man no longer calls the shots.

    Negroes Will be given increasing levels of control over the street and neighborhoods across the nation. There will be insanely escalating violence associated with this permissiveness. Horrible, incomprehensible violence and criminality will grow. The cultural degradation will accelerate.

    The same group that engineered the destruction of South Africa have something much worse in store for America. Rhodesia and South Africa were a practice run. They have honed their game considerably since those days.

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @Just another serf

    Those African shit-holes are majority Black
    The United States is just 14% Black so we will not become another Rhodesia. The United States is becoming less white but more Latin and Asian so the situation is not so dire.

    In 20 years when Whites are a minority in the US we will still dominate and Blacks will still be just 15% of the US population. Latinos and Asians will not coddle Blacks in the same manner that whites have. A coalition of Hispanic, Asian and Whites will reduce African immigration. Once the Chinese gain control we may see the one child policy instituted and the forced sterilization of Black and Brown females across the globe.

  10. What do you suppose the odds are that Admiral Gilday has actually read — not skimmed but read — Kendi’s book?

    • Replies: @anon
    @black sea

    What difference, at this point, does it make?!

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @black sea


    What do you suppose the odds are that Admiral Gilday has actually read — not skimmed but read — Kendi’s book?
     
    Who can take a surmise
    Sprinkle it with poo
    Cover it with chocolate and a blood libel or two?

    The Kendi Man
    Oh, the Kendi Man ken
    The Kendi Man can 'cause he mixes it with mud
    And makes the world taste rude


    The Kendi Man makes everything he bakes
    Stupefying and pernicious
    Talk about your childhood wishes
    Feed him to the frickin' fishes!
  11. ‘ ‘our strength is in our diversity’

    The sheer idiocy of that sentiment gets on my nerves.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Colin Wright

    Navy Seals must be the weakest link of our armed forces because they lack diversity thus have no strength. It is time to abolish the Navy Seal teams, they are too weak due to a lack of diversity.

    , @CountIblis
    @Colin Wright

    I sometimes ask libs, What good is diversity without standards? I rarely get a coherent answer.

  12. @black sea
    What do you suppose the odds are that Admiral Gilday has actually read -- not skimmed but read -- Kendi's book?

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    What difference, at this point, does it make?!

    • LOL: Old Prude
  13. Does it give any of you pause that this Murray guy is kind of the Dr. Phil of IQ?

    His whole schtick, and schtick is the appropriate word, just seems to be so commercial, so show-biz. He seems to have this big organization behind him, he’s got his catch-phrases, he puts out books on a regular schedule, just like commercial novelists do, he has an almost cinematic, character-actor personality, he has a special handshake, a badge, a cereal brand, a fan club, and die-hard rabid fans rattle their keys, throw toast, and mouth lines along with him at every concert.

    I’m not saying whether he’s right or wrong.

    I’m saying that, personally, it gives me pause whenever things seem a little too pat, too commercial, too orchestrated, too pandering, too obviously set up and marketed.

    Fer Chrissake, everybody on here spends every waking hour thinking up the most ornate conspiracy, the conspiracy more ironic and involuted than the other guy’s, and yet, if it’s somebody or -thing they like, well, it’s all just perfectly flat, innocent, straightforward and irony-free–what it is, what you see is what you get, no conspiracies here.

    • LOL: ic1000
    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @obwandiyag


    Fer Chrissake, everybody on here spends every waking hour thinking up the most ornate conspiracy, the conspiracy more ironic and involuted than the other guy’s, and yet, if it’s somebody or -thing they like, well, it’s all just perfectly flat, innocent, straightforward and irony-free–what it is, what you see is what you get, no conspiracies here.
     
    Here, I'll simplify it for you. "It's their* DNA, stupid."

    *Negro DNA and the attendant violence/low IQ problem
    , @Desiderius
    @obwandiyag


    I’m not saying whether he’s right or wrong.
     
    You should. He's right. It matters.
    , @Redman
    @obwandiyag

    I think you meant to post this on the Ron Unz chain. Not iSteve.

    , @Forbes
    @obwandiyag

    Another case of feelz over evidence. Not very convincing.

    >"You guys only have conspiracy theories, and Murray conspires with a secret cabal to produce works at regular intervals like 1984, 1994, 2003, 2008, 2012, 2020, 2021...

    Murray is a social scientist who publishes his findings. What do you expect him to do, practice carpentry...

    , @J.Ross
    @obwandiyag

    Have you read Human Accomplishment?

    , @James J O'Meara
    @obwandiyag

    Not every object that's longer than it is wide is a phallus. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

  14. At some point, conservative young white men will ask themselves why they should volunteer to join this woke organization, which puts their life on the line. Some may continue to do so for purely transactional reasons, eg a job, a pension, money for college.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Mike_from_SGV

    Because our country needs a navy, and because men with any stones don’t stand for it to be run by clowns like this.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    , @Catdog
    @Mike_from_SGV

    I strongly considered joining the military when I was in college but seeing the rotc guus wearing red high heels changed my mind.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Mike_from_SGV


    At some point, conservative young white men will ask themselves why they should volunteer to join this woke organization, which puts their life on the line. Some may continue to do so for purely transactional reasons, eg a job, a pension, money for college.
     
    Mike--lot of sympathy for your view.

    However, i'm not enamored with the prospect of a completely woke US military staffed only by minorities and good-white fellow travelers. That military--absent honest, conscientious, conservative American white men--could, heck would, do really nasty stuff for the regime.
  15. To the uninitiated, the argument is confusing. Prohibit teaching of CRT, and 1619? What repression. These radical republicans outlaw to teach true science! This wrong impression is conveyed everywhere

    The correct race realist honest FULL TRUTH would be

    To show these theories are bogus, wrong, mistaken.

    Publicly let Colin Flaherty, Jared Taylor, the Vdare crowd, Murray prove that 1619 and CRT are patently false and wrong. Then prohibit false wrong indoctrination in school.

    Then use the momentum to outlaw quotas, disparate impact and other bogus lies.

  16. @black sea
    What do you suppose the odds are that Admiral Gilday has actually read -- not skimmed but read -- Kendi's book?

    Replies: @anon, @Reg Cæsar

    What do you suppose the odds are that Admiral Gilday has actually read — not skimmed but read — Kendi’s book?

    Who can take a surmise
    Sprinkle it with poo
    Cover it with chocolate and a blood libel or two?

    The Kendi Man
    Oh, the Kendi Man ken
    The Kendi Man can ’cause he mixes it with mud
    And makes the world taste rude

    The Kendi Man makes everything he bakes
    Stupefying and pernicious
    Talk about your childhood wishes
    Feed him to the frickin’ fishes!

    • Thanks: Dave Pinsen
    • LOL: Ragno
  17. Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday faced grilling at Wednesday hearing

    ‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’

    If you substitute the word “electrolytes” for “diversity”, it makes more sense.

    DoD – Distillation of Diversity

    Have you ever seen a white supremacist drink water, Mandrake?

    • LOL: Unladen Swallow
    • Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
    @Mr. Anon


    If you substitute the word “electrolytes” for “diversity”, it makes more sense.

    DoD – Distillation of Diversity

    Have you ever seen a white supremacist drink water, Mandrake?
     
    Idiocracy and Dr. Strangelove both referenced in one short post. Very nice.
  18. @Bubba

    ‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’
     
    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey's tripe.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Seneca44, @George True

    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey’s tripe.

    The top military brass in the U.S. are the equivalent of the generals of the Imperial Russian Or Austrian armies in 1914, who’s chief qualifications were that they had very tall and impressive ostrich-plumed hats.

    • Replies: @Spect3r
    @Mr. Anon

    Any position in the Military above Lt Coronel is ALWAYS based on politics.

    , @International Jew
    @Mr. Anon

    Our military is also analogous to the Red Army circa 1939, after almost all the competent officers had gotten purged.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Bardon Kaldian

  19. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Anybody here know Joe Rogan?

    Charles Murray MUST be his guest soon!

    Let’s get him on, Joe!

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Anonymous

    https://twitter.com/charlesmurray/status/1405267961636478979

    https://twitter.com/charlesmurray/status/1405508784848519169

  20. I put my four year enlisted in the US Navy a long time ago. Not many more months will pass it comes to a half century that I got out. 1972 was a good year to get out, hippies were dispersing and hitch hiking was a breeze if your hair was short.

    Navy guys: They pretended to like Nixon’s Vietnam policy then and they’re probably pretending to like diversity now. Anybody believe it? Good. Nobody in the ranks then did either. Regular guys probably think the same way we did. And the careerists we worked for then are the same asskissers you got now. This is a constant.

    The scenery changes, human nature does not.

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @Franz

    @20 Franz: That's a lot of hopium to rationalize the fact that the nation you thought you served has been dead and gone for decades. You've been replaced. Your 'service' (like my father-in--law's entire career) was an utter waste of time. So grovel at the black and tranny toes and tell yourself how happy you are you're not speaking German.

    Replies: @Franz

  21. @Bubba

    ‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’
     
    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey's tripe.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Seneca44, @George True

    ‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’

    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey’s tripe.

    It’s a lot older than Casey and Dan Quayle. People have been spouting this rot for centuries.

    Anyone even moderately conversant with US history knows that the whitest states led the advancement of what civilization we had, while the most diverse states were little more than steamy jungle outposts where nobody actually worked.

    By the way, I was at a “MAGA” rally over the weekend and only one of the speakers spoke out against blacks. It was not her fellow “desi”, whom the author below attacks here, but Sheriff Clarke (Ret.) of Milwaukee County, who repeatedly told the crowd we don’t need police reform, but ghetto reform.

    “Whenever white people do something terrible — I could give you an example or you could just Google ‘Karen’ and save me the trouble — I often joke to my white friends that they have to collect their people. But now, given conservative political commentator Dinesh D’Souza’s recent statements defending the president and attacking Kamala Harris, I must accept my burden, and collect this idiot.”

    Dinesh D’Souza’s Attacks On Kamala Harris Are Part Of A Bigger Problem In The Indian Community

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Reg Cæsar


    Anyone even moderately conversant with US history knows that the whitest states led the advancement of what civilization we had, while the most diverse states were little more than steamy jungle outposts where nobody actually worked.
     
    So true. I wish you were were the U.S. Secretary of Education in aeternum.

    “Whenever white people do something terrible — I could give you an example or you could just Google ‘Karen’ and save me the trouble — I often joke to my white friends that they have to collect their people.
     
    I'm sure Ms. Know-It-All must constantly joke with her black friends to "collect their people" since the melanin-enriched are alway doing "something terrible" (like murder or mass shootings).

    Wish she would check her Brahmin privilege/arranged marriage/suttee culture out of North America by collecting all her fellow desis and lead them back to that giant dump halfway around the world. Especially the creepy, sycophantic fraud running Alphabet.

    I think the real and only reason the English colonized an insanely dysfunctional, filthy heap of trash like India was because its soldiers could get their uniforms and laundry cleaned for cheap.

  22. @Ed
    The GOP has its moments. Wish at least a few senators had the guts to squash this Juneteenth nonsense yesterday but I guess you can’t win them all.

    What a pathetic disgrace for our Navy though.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @RichardTaylor, @Boomthorkell, @SunBakedSuburb, @3g4me, @tyrone

    On the plus side, this bodes well for us hoping for a crushing naval defeat!

    It would be disheartening if these CIA-plants-cum-Admirals can actually fight a successful naval conflict.

  23. “Our strength is in our diversity”

    Despite the nature of our enemy—how stupid they are and how deeply ideological—it is still amazing that people say this with a straight face.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Anon

    Their strength came from the same source as that diversity did but they’ve now mistaken the product for the ding an sich.

    Cargo cult

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    “Our strength is in our diversity”

    Despite the nature of our enemy—how stupid they are and how deeply ideological—it is still amazing that people say this with a straight face.
     

    It may well be the single dumbest sociological statement that's ever been uttered. It's contradicted by basically the entirety of human history, human experience.

    But ... it was a stroke of genius.

    The original messaging of minoritarians to the majority was basically "You're oppressing us! Please stop!" The asks flew under the radar of integration: "Be tolerant", "Allow us to participate" ... "Let us in!"

    This was never completely sincere. The goal of minoritarians was never to integrate to "boring", "white bread" America, but to overthrow it. But it was clever as it played on white Christian universalism and Anglo notions of "fair play". However, it also implicitly assumed--and implied--that yeah the majority is in charge and we want to join it.


    "Diversity" is great because it tosses that majoritarian assumption out. No one has to "join" or be "integrated". The majority is not normative, but "diversity" is normative. For a minority, "diversity" means, "I'm equal. I'm just as good. I don't have to bend to white norms ... whites have to accommodate me."

    But the real "killer app" aspect of "diversity" is that it is religious and aspirational--for white gentiles.

    When true believer good-whites gentiles think diversity, what they imagine is a fantasy of rainbow hued everyone all together, shoulder to the wheel, like in one of those New Deal, WPA mosaics/paintings.

    What these white gentiles are actually pinning for is community. Basically a big de-tribalized community where we all come together as one, like ... whites were under Church in Medieval Europe!--where the cooperative, empathetic Western personality type was formed.

    "Diversity"--for these good-white gentiles--isn’t about any grubby reality. It's a religious fantasy. A replacement for the lost/missing universal Christian community their genetics evolved for.

    It is deeply ironic that white gentiles have been rolled by more tribal minoritarians into complying with the destruction of the West precisely because of the distinct non-tribal personality profile of white gentiles--empathy, cooperation, high-trust--that allowed the creation of strong "we're all in this together" Western nation-states. The white gentile psychological urge toward community (under Christian universalism) is being used to destroy community and nation and white people themselves.

    But understanding it is critical to fixing it.

    Replies: @rebel yell

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Anon

    "still amazing that people say this with a straight face"

    Woke is a secular religion that's kicking Christianity's ass. Time for Wotan (Odin) to stop wandering and attend to business.

  24. … our strength is in our diversity

    Nostrae vires nos est diversitas … it’s a bit long, but it might fit as the motton on the bottom of The New Navy’s crest.

  25. Sailer’s Law sighting:

    Baltimore Shooting Leaves Multiple People Injured

    Old people shouldn’t shack up. The kids don’t like it:

    Man Kills Mom’s Ex By Tying Him to Truck, Setting it on Fire—Police

    (These are Newsweek’s, so be careful if you’re running low on free articles for the month.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Old people shouldn’t shack up. The kids don’t like it:

    Man Kills Mom’s Ex By Tying Him to Truck, Setting it on Fire—Police
     

    Sailer's Rule aside, maybe the problem with Africans being thrust into Western European life and doctrine for the last four hundred years is that too many are psychologically not up to the challenge. What is intrinsically "normal" for them, is horrible to us, making the assumption that they can conform to Western European norms a sort of unintended daily harassment that drives too many of them… crazier.

    ‘You stabbed me,’ Boy Tells Father at Double-Murder Trial:

    https://apnews.com/article/fl-state-wire-florida-trials-03b950b0a520f0ae8a75d92b64764fb2

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  26. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Sailer's Law sighting:

    Baltimore Shooting Leaves Multiple People Injured


    Old people shouldn't shack up. The kids don't like it:


    Man Kills Mom's Ex By Tying Him to Truck, Setting it on Fire—Police

    (These are Newsweek's, so be careful if you're running low on free articles for the month.)

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Old people shouldn’t shack up. The kids don’t like it:

    Man Kills Mom’s Ex By Tying Him to Truck, Setting it on Fire—Police

    Sailer’s Rule aside, maybe the problem with Africans being thrust into Western European life and doctrine for the last four hundred years is that too many are psychologically not up to the challenge. What is intrinsically “normal” for them, is horrible to us, making the assumption that they can conform to Western European norms a sort of unintended daily harassment that drives too many of them… crazier.

    ‘You stabbed me,’ Boy Tells Father at Double-Murder Trial:

    https://apnews.com/article/fl-state-wire-florida-trials-03b950b0a520f0ae8a75d92b64764fb2

    • Agree: donut
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Sailer’s Rule aside, maybe the problem with Africans being thrust into Western European life and doctrine for the last four hundred years is that too many are psychologically not up to the challenge.
     
    This point has been made by Michael Levin of NYU. Black behavior is not "pathological", but just what you'd expect of Africans "thrust" or let loose, in a Caucasian society. Freedom from external control requires self-control.

    What is intrinsically “normal” for them, is horrible to us...
     
    And vice versa. Like recycling and other "stuff white people like".

    Man Kills Mom’s Ex By Tying Him to Truck, Setting it on Fire—Police
     
    I didn't check, but the perp in this Texas case is probably white. His surname looked modified-German. The other "mother's boyfriend" incident the article refers to was likely black.
  27. In his section on IQ trends since The Bell Curve 27 years ago, Murray briefly notes the decline of the once-dominant centrists who assumed that any gaps between whites and blacks could be eliminated with whatever their favorite one weird trick was. In his 1984 book, Losing Ground, the libertarian Murray himself wrote:

    I suggest that when we give such parents vouchers, we will observe substantial convergence of black and white test scores in a single generation.

    I can’t tell if this is just to note that Charles Murray is something of a Libertarian, or that it’s specifically his libertarianism that made him write that in 1984. There’s no rule that Libertarians can’t also be race realists. If Libertarian Barry Goldwater had been voted in in 1964, then lots of the big Feral Gov’t programs that screw white people in the ass continuously would not be in existence. Take AA, please, Steve.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    There’s no rule that Libertarians can’t also be race realists.

    No official rule but being a racial realist causes major problems for libertarians.

    Ayn Rand most likely figured this out which explains why she was so adamant against allowing for racial differences.

    If third world people create third world countries then most of the libertarian plan falls apart pretty quickly. In many ways it is one big exercise in race denial. Applying hard drugs and low taxes to the Congo will not turn it into France. Once you allow for that conclusion most of it is really just a load of horse manure.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  28. In modern organized, especially democratic, societies, armed forces follow what politics & economic-political-cultural elites say them to do. If/when the general discourse changes, so goes the military along.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Bardon Kaldian

    They’re not so innocent as that, as they’ve bragged about for a long time.

  29. Given that the Navy lost the Bonhomme Richard, one of its big deck Amphibious Assault Ships, to an arsonist last summer and have not revealed the identity of the suspect can we ask is that because they don’t have the evidence or don’t want to charge the suspect?

    In a normal Navy finding out who burned up a $3 billion dollar navy ship would be a high priority but maybe not in the current Navy. Its redolent of the turret explosion on the USS Iowa. Somebody did something deliberately but the Navy decided not to say who or what.

    That the Navy can lose two capital ships to sabotage and not want to discuss the matter of who it is allowing to serve on its ships is worrisome.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @UNIT472

    Thanks.

    , @Skyler the Weird
    @UNIT472

    I'd say Leroy Jenkins didn't set the fire it was Aloha Snackbar which is why they were silent. Like the Las Vegas shooting has disappeared. You'd think it would be trotted out by the media every month like Gabby Giffords since it actually involved dreaded 'automatic' weapons but it's strangely silent as if the evil white guy wasn't the actual shooter.

    , @James Speaks
    @UNIT472


    Its redolent of the turret explosion on the USS Iowa. Somebody did something deliberately but the Navy decided not to say who or what.
     
    The powder bags used in the sixteen inch guns will explode if compressed quickly. Normal procedure for loading the gun after firing is to check the barrel and swab if necessary, place the projectile in line with the barrel and use a mechanical ram to push it into the barrel a specified distance, then to load five or six bags of gunpowder, two at a time onto the cradle then ram them into the breech. If the projectile has not been rammed in far enough, or if the projectile is correctly placed but the bags are pushed too far, an overram condition is created. When compressed, the gunpowder bags will explode.

    My guess is that one of the crewman did not do her job correctly; either the projectile was not rammed far enough or the gunpowder bags were overramed. Kaboom.

    It could have been that ramming is just not women's work, ramming correctly is "acting white" or that woke maff was used. (5 is equal to 6 and it's racist to expect a brother to care.)

    Replies: @UNIT472

    , @Paperback Writer
    @UNIT472

    Does the Navy ever release such information to the public?

    , @J.Ross
    @UNIT472

    Maybe it's better to lose ships like this, rather than crashing at sea or surrendering without a fight to an Iranian patrol.

    , @3g4me
    @UNIT472

    @30 Unit472: "That the Navy can lose two capital ships to sabotage and not want to discuss the matter of who it is allowing to serve on its ships is worrisome."

    Worrisome? Try telling. Perhaps predictable. How about diversity quotient 100? Stop thinking there's going to be any sense or turning around of any formerly White institutions. What you consider 'your' country is theirs now. Abandon it as the maggot ridden corpse that it is. You can rely on nothing but your people and your God.

  30. On the Hispanic crime rate, as I wrote under a previous post, I’d be curious as to what the Unz proprietor thinks of this info. from Mr. Murray’s book. His analysis, as I recall, was from data from State prisons as to the race/ethnicity of inmates, using names to to break out* the Hispanics for situations in which they are otherwise combined with White people.

    Here’s one problem I see, as I wrote to him in a comment or two long ago: Americans and illegal Hispanics operate under effectively two separate systems of “justice”. One could say that about employment rules and other areas too, BTW, as it’s simply lots easier to get away with stuff when you can’t be positively identified.

    What happened? Crashed into a family of four at an intersection with a blood alcohol level of 0.30%? Got arrested? No problem if you make bail. You go back south to old Mexico. Next work season, you come back, but you are no longer Jose. You are now Hose-B, with a different fake driver’s license, and different made-up dependents to put on your tax forms to get Earned Income Credit at H&R Block.

    So the arrest records will show different proportions of Hispanics than the numbers from State pens. I do note that the “Most Wanted” posters show an awful lot of Hispanics. They look like they could have been lifted off a courthouse wall in Bolivia, with the 2 token “Banditos Yanquis” at the bottom.

    .

    * No, not to break them out of prison, but to break out the data.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Hose-B" would still have Jose's fingerprints, in case he commits another crime serious enough for the authorities to care about. Although there's lots of anecdotal reports we don't care much about punishing a lot of series crimes by a lot of Hispanics.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Despite Ron Unz's declaration that, in the US, hispanics don't commit more crime than whites, he's never come up with an explanation why Latin America is so crime ridden. And totally ignored Puerto Rico. As the US becomes more hispanicized and prevents assimilation, they will revert to their mean. And not only a lot more crime but even more corruption and dysfunction than we currently have. Puerto Rico is our future. Money skimmed off by sleazebags and nothing gets done. Asia might be corrupt, too, but they do get things done while they're skimming the money. Same with Daly's Chicago but those days are gone.

    The nonsense over AOC's aunt in PR is just one example. AOC was gaslighting us that her aunt's home was in terrible condition because of Trump, her aunt claimed it was because of the local govt. The latter is the correct choice. Even the Economist labeled PR "Welfare Island" and described the corruption.

    https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-aocs-aunt-debunks-claim-that-trump-was-to-blame-for-her-abuelas-horrid-living-conditions

  31. @Mr. Anon
    @Bubba


    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey’s tripe.
     
    The top military brass in the U.S. are the equivalent of the generals of the Imperial Russian Or Austrian armies in 1914, who's chief qualifications were that they had very tall and impressive ostrich-plumed hats.

    Replies: @Spect3r, @International Jew

    Any position in the Military above Lt Coronel is ALWAYS based on politics.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  32. @UNIT472
    Given that the Navy lost the Bonhomme Richard, one of its big deck Amphibious Assault Ships, to an arsonist last summer and have not revealed the identity of the suspect can we ask is that because they don't have the evidence or don't want to charge the suspect?

    In a normal Navy finding out who burned up a $3 billion dollar navy ship would be a high priority but maybe not in the current Navy. Its redolent of the turret explosion on the USS Iowa. Somebody did something deliberately but the Navy decided not to say who or what.

    That the Navy can lose two capital ships to sabotage and not want to discuss the matter of who it is allowing to serve on its ships is worrisome.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Skyler the Weird, @James Speaks, @Paperback Writer, @J.Ross, @3g4me

    Thanks.

  33. @obwandiyag
    Does it give any of you pause that this Murray guy is kind of the Dr. Phil of IQ?

    His whole schtick, and schtick is the appropriate word, just seems to be so commercial, so show-biz. He seems to have this big organization behind him, he's got his catch-phrases, he puts out books on a regular schedule, just like commercial novelists do, he has an almost cinematic, character-actor personality, he has a special handshake, a badge, a cereal brand, a fan club, and die-hard rabid fans rattle their keys, throw toast, and mouth lines along with him at every concert.

    I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong.

    I'm saying that, personally, it gives me pause whenever things seem a little too pat, too commercial, too orchestrated, too pandering, too obviously set up and marketed.

    Fer Chrissake, everybody on here spends every waking hour thinking up the most ornate conspiracy, the conspiracy more ironic and involuted than the other guy's, and yet, if it's somebody or -thing they like, well, it's all just perfectly flat, innocent, straightforward and irony-free--what it is, what you see is what you get, no conspiracies here.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Desiderius, @Redman, @Forbes, @J.Ross, @James J O'Meara

    Fer Chrissake, everybody on here spends every waking hour thinking up the most ornate conspiracy, the conspiracy more ironic and involuted than the other guy’s, and yet, if it’s somebody or -thing they like, well, it’s all just perfectly flat, innocent, straightforward and irony-free–what it is, what you see is what you get, no conspiracies here.

    Here, I’ll simplify it for you. “It’s their* DNA, stupid.”

    *Negro DNA and the attendant violence/low IQ problem

  34. The group differences in IQ are interesting, but not so important.

    Most of human behavior is software, and there are plenty of jobs for conscientious 90 IQ individuals.

    The problem is that blacks have been coddled and conditioned to think that 90-IQ jobs are beneath them, plus many of these jobs pay barely more than welfare, so why bother?

    To fix the problem, end welfare, and start treating blacks like they have agency.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Spud Boy

    The problem is that blacks have been coddled and conditioned to think that 90-IQ jobs are beneath them, plus many of these jobs pay barely more than welfare, so why bother?

    To fix the problem, end welfare, and start treating blacks like they have agency.

    Black men don't get welfare. It's the women that work the system.

    There is a bigger problem with Democrat employers in Democrat cities purposely hiring illegals over Blacks.

    I have seen it first hand. They want Guatemalans that work 12 hours a day and don't say anything about being paid in cash.

    Replies: @Spud Boy

  35. @UNIT472
    Given that the Navy lost the Bonhomme Richard, one of its big deck Amphibious Assault Ships, to an arsonist last summer and have not revealed the identity of the suspect can we ask is that because they don't have the evidence or don't want to charge the suspect?

    In a normal Navy finding out who burned up a $3 billion dollar navy ship would be a high priority but maybe not in the current Navy. Its redolent of the turret explosion on the USS Iowa. Somebody did something deliberately but the Navy decided not to say who or what.

    That the Navy can lose two capital ships to sabotage and not want to discuss the matter of who it is allowing to serve on its ships is worrisome.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Skyler the Weird, @James Speaks, @Paperback Writer, @J.Ross, @3g4me

    I’d say Leroy Jenkins didn’t set the fire it was Aloha Snackbar which is why they were silent. Like the Las Vegas shooting has disappeared. You’d think it would be trotted out by the media every month like Gabby Giffords since it actually involved dreaded ‘automatic’ weapons but it’s strangely silent as if the evil white guy wasn’t the actual shooter.

  36. @UNIT472
    Given that the Navy lost the Bonhomme Richard, one of its big deck Amphibious Assault Ships, to an arsonist last summer and have not revealed the identity of the suspect can we ask is that because they don't have the evidence or don't want to charge the suspect?

    In a normal Navy finding out who burned up a $3 billion dollar navy ship would be a high priority but maybe not in the current Navy. Its redolent of the turret explosion on the USS Iowa. Somebody did something deliberately but the Navy decided not to say who or what.

    That the Navy can lose two capital ships to sabotage and not want to discuss the matter of who it is allowing to serve on its ships is worrisome.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Skyler the Weird, @James Speaks, @Paperback Writer, @J.Ross, @3g4me

    Its redolent of the turret explosion on the USS Iowa. Somebody did something deliberately but the Navy decided not to say who or what.

    The powder bags used in the sixteen inch guns will explode if compressed quickly. Normal procedure for loading the gun after firing is to check the barrel and swab if necessary, place the projectile in line with the barrel and use a mechanical ram to push it into the barrel a specified distance, then to load five or six bags of gunpowder, two at a time onto the cradle then ram them into the breech. If the projectile has not been rammed in far enough, or if the projectile is correctly placed but the bags are pushed too far, an overram condition is created. When compressed, the gunpowder bags will explode.

    My guess is that one of the crewman did not do her job correctly; either the projectile was not rammed far enough or the gunpowder bags were overramed. Kaboom.

    It could have been that ramming is just not women’s work, ramming correctly is “acting white” or that woke maff was used. (5 is equal to 6 and it’s racist to expect a brother to care.)

    • Replies: @UNIT472
    @James Speaks

    Problem was, its not like these 16 inch guns were new weaponry. The Navy knew how to properly load and fire them and had done so many thousands of times under far more trying combat conditions. It was a routine procedure being performed by a trained and experienced crew.

    I lean towards the Navy's initial conclusion that it was a deranged or suicidal sailor with an explosive device. It was only when the homosexual angle came out were there calls for an 'independent investigation' by DC politicians who, normally, couldn't have cared less if a bunch of sailors were killed that the least likely cause, over ramming, was proposed and then accepted.

    Sort of like today we are told pangolins at a wet market caused covid not the labororatory down the street that studied bat coronviruses

  37. The FOX News summary of Murray’s appearance seems to forget the title of his book, namely “Facing Reality: Two Truths about Race in America.

    Let’s review those truths: A significant, easily identifiable segment of the population (negroes) is less intelligent and more violence prone than whites.

    Two truths:
    1) Negroes be less intelligent
    2) Negroes be more violent

    Excerpt from the FOX News story:

    From 1776 to the present, Murray said, America has been the “exception” internationally, in that it gives unique autonomy to its people regardless of their race, gender, occupation or social status.

    “America was… a unique country when we started, and if we lose that uniqueness there’s no way to make America great again because America is not going to be America,” said Murray.

    Murray said that the new focus on Critical Race Theory, a disputed curriculum that places America’s founding as grounded in racism rather than individual liberty, equality and freedom of thought, has brought him to this conclusion.

    “I began to realize that what’s going on with critical race theory and identity politics is a repudiation of the American creed. It’s saying the founding ideals are wrong,” he said. “The American creed used to be a phrase in common use. It was based on the first paragraphs of the Declaration. All men are created equal. They are born with inalienable rights.”

    Instead, Murray noted, identity politics and critical race theory make a person’s immutable characteristics – such as their race or gender – the only thing that matters as to their place in society. The result is often in itself discriminatory.

    He warned that the overwhelming push from the political left at present day is to foster “social goals that bring another group up preferentially to meet another group.”

    Apparently, FOX has its woke blinders on.
    Conversation about race? Yes.
    Identify the problem (IQ/violence)? No.

    It’s their DNA, stupid.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/charles-murray-warns-us-is-at-crisis-point-where-division-on-race-class-may-leave-an-america-in-name-only

  38. @Mike_from_SGV
    At some point, conservative young white men will ask themselves why they should volunteer to join this woke organization, which puts their life on the line. Some may continue to do so for purely transactional reasons, eg a job, a pension, money for college.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Catdog, @AnotherDad

    Because our country needs a navy, and because men with any stones don’t stand for it to be run by clowns like this.

    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
    @Desiderius


    Because our country needs a navy
     
    I didn't know that you're an Israeli.
  39. @Bardon Kaldian
    In modern organized, especially democratic, societies, armed forces follow what politics & economic-political-cultural elites say them to do. If/when the general discourse changes, so goes the military along.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    They’re not so innocent as that, as they’ve bragged about for a long time.

  40. Anon[252] • Disclaimer says:

    From Inside Higher Ed:

    Supporting Mental Well-Being for Students of Color

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2021/06/17/new-report-looks-practical-ways-support-mental-health-students-color

    The metal health of black students is a “pressing issue,” says a survey of college presidents.

    Through a literature review and surveys, researchers found that Black students were more likely than their white peers to report feeling overwhelmed most or all of the time.

    They feel overwhelmed. Why might that be? At college you mostly deal with studying academic subjects. Hopefully you’d be at the same academic and cognitive level as your classmates. Otherwise, you might feel overwhelmed.

    It sounds like another push to hire, hire, hire a bunch of new BIPOCS in various capacities.

  41. @Anon
    “Our strength is in our diversity”

    Despite the nature of our enemy—how stupid they are and how deeply ideological—it is still amazing that people say this with a straight face.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb

    Their strength came from the same source as that diversity did but they’ve now mistaken the product for the ding an sich.

    Cargo cult

  42. ‘our strength is in our diversity’

    In the real world, diversity is typically a liability. Standardization and conformance to standards are ubiquitous because of proven benefits.

    For the past 60 years or so, shipping containers have been standardized for international trade in most manufactured goods.

    Many other aspects of goods transportation rely on standards: pallets, forklifts, fifth wheels, etc., etc.

    For many retail chains (e.g., Walmart) the floor plan of their stores is typically standardized, with limited variation.

    The same conformal architecture is found in chain restaurants.

    There is limited variation in the compute racks in the massive cloud-computing data centers of Google, Amazon, Microsoft, etc.

    An endless number of advances in telecommunications, computing, and engineering in general have relied on the development of standards and conformance to the same. Even informally, there are “best practices”, “standard operating procedures”, etc., and deviation from the same can lead to serious adverse consequences.

    The slogan ‘our strength is in our diversity’ is particularly odd coming from the military. Why, who has ever heard of standard military issue weaponry, ammunition, and ordinance? Will military units now receive training in the use of slingshots, bows and arrows, muskets, super soakers, and rainbow mentos and soda pop?

  43. I have no in-depth knowledge of the real nature of American military power. My gut tells me that now, and for the foreseeable future, the US has such a qualitative edge over anyone else that all of this is just show. These ships are like self-driving trucks, but infinitely more sophisticated.

    I always get the feelz that commenters here are waiting for, and would welcome, a military defeat. Russia or China, doesn’t matter–woke military gets a KERPOW!!!–in the kisser. They rejoice.

    I don’t see that happening but…. maybe I’m wrong. I also believe that things can go south awfully quickly.

    • Replies: @Farenheit
    @Paperback Writer

    I always get the feelz that commenters here are waiting for, and would welcome, a military defeat. Russia or China, doesn’t matter–woke military gets a KERPOW!!!–in the kisser.

    Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya...which one of these was a victory again??

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @JMcG

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Paperback Writer


    My gut tells me that now, and for the foreseeable future, the US has such a qualitative edge over anyone else that all of this is just show. These ships are like self-driving trucks, but infinitely more sophisticated.
     
    The dead crew members of the USS Fitzgerald and John S. McCain would like a word with you, were that possible. In the former, a woman in the Combat Information Center responsible for reporting information to the bridge was simply not talking to the woman officer of the deck and vice versa.

    And you really should read the "Proud Legions" chapter of T.R. Fehrenbach's book This Kind of War. Might also want to talk to a nuclear submarine crewman or officer about how "self-driving" those are; that we've not yet lost one is about only positive thing I have to say about today's US Navy.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Ralph L

    , @J.Ross
    @Paperback Writer

    What do you expect is the reason we are allowing China to take over (and create!) fortified islands in the South China Sea? Is there some clever plan here?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @That Would Be Telling

  44. @UNIT472
    Given that the Navy lost the Bonhomme Richard, one of its big deck Amphibious Assault Ships, to an arsonist last summer and have not revealed the identity of the suspect can we ask is that because they don't have the evidence or don't want to charge the suspect?

    In a normal Navy finding out who burned up a $3 billion dollar navy ship would be a high priority but maybe not in the current Navy. Its redolent of the turret explosion on the USS Iowa. Somebody did something deliberately but the Navy decided not to say who or what.

    That the Navy can lose two capital ships to sabotage and not want to discuss the matter of who it is allowing to serve on its ships is worrisome.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Skyler the Weird, @James Speaks, @Paperback Writer, @J.Ross, @3g4me

    Does the Navy ever release such information to the public?

  45. @obwandiyag
    Does it give any of you pause that this Murray guy is kind of the Dr. Phil of IQ?

    His whole schtick, and schtick is the appropriate word, just seems to be so commercial, so show-biz. He seems to have this big organization behind him, he's got his catch-phrases, he puts out books on a regular schedule, just like commercial novelists do, he has an almost cinematic, character-actor personality, he has a special handshake, a badge, a cereal brand, a fan club, and die-hard rabid fans rattle their keys, throw toast, and mouth lines along with him at every concert.

    I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong.

    I'm saying that, personally, it gives me pause whenever things seem a little too pat, too commercial, too orchestrated, too pandering, too obviously set up and marketed.

    Fer Chrissake, everybody on here spends every waking hour thinking up the most ornate conspiracy, the conspiracy more ironic and involuted than the other guy's, and yet, if it's somebody or -thing they like, well, it's all just perfectly flat, innocent, straightforward and irony-free--what it is, what you see is what you get, no conspiracies here.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Desiderius, @Redman, @Forbes, @J.Ross, @James J O'Meara

    I’m not saying whether he’s right or wrong.

    You should. He’s right. It matters.

    • Agree: res
  46. Of course. Who’s stopping them? This is about power not truth.

    While we decided we weren’t gonna study war no more they got busy doing just that. Specifically, a pedo who taught them that truth is nothing more than power. Now he’s the most cited scholar in history.

    Think you’re beating that by muh hypeahcrusy poasting?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Desiderius

    Think you’re beating that by muh hypeahcrusy poasting?

    Got mirror?

    lol

    smh

  47. @obwandiyag
    Does it give any of you pause that this Murray guy is kind of the Dr. Phil of IQ?

    His whole schtick, and schtick is the appropriate word, just seems to be so commercial, so show-biz. He seems to have this big organization behind him, he's got his catch-phrases, he puts out books on a regular schedule, just like commercial novelists do, he has an almost cinematic, character-actor personality, he has a special handshake, a badge, a cereal brand, a fan club, and die-hard rabid fans rattle their keys, throw toast, and mouth lines along with him at every concert.

    I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong.

    I'm saying that, personally, it gives me pause whenever things seem a little too pat, too commercial, too orchestrated, too pandering, too obviously set up and marketed.

    Fer Chrissake, everybody on here spends every waking hour thinking up the most ornate conspiracy, the conspiracy more ironic and involuted than the other guy's, and yet, if it's somebody or -thing they like, well, it's all just perfectly flat, innocent, straightforward and irony-free--what it is, what you see is what you get, no conspiracies here.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Desiderius, @Redman, @Forbes, @J.Ross, @James J O'Meara

    I think you meant to post this on the Ron Unz chain. Not iSteve.

  48. @Just another serf
    The political class is terrified of negro violence. Their fear dates back to the negro riots and the Kerner commission in the late 1960’s. But they are more frightened than ever now. The average white man is not frightened by negroes. But the average white man no longer calls the shots.

    Negroes Will be given increasing levels of control over the street and neighborhoods across the nation. There will be insanely escalating violence associated with this permissiveness. Horrible, incomprehensible violence and criminality will grow. The cultural degradation will accelerate.

    The same group that engineered the destruction of South Africa have something much worse in store for America. Rhodesia and South Africa were a practice run. They have honed their game considerably since those days.

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    Those African shit-holes are majority Black
    The United States is just 14% Black so we will not become another Rhodesia. The United States is becoming less white but more Latin and Asian so the situation is not so dire.

    In 20 years when Whites are a minority in the US we will still dominate and Blacks will still be just 15% of the US population. Latinos and Asians will not coddle Blacks in the same manner that whites have. A coalition of Hispanic, Asian and Whites will reduce African immigration. Once the Chinese gain control we may see the one child policy instituted and the forced sterilization of Black and Brown females across the globe.

  49. @Desiderius
    @Mike_from_SGV

    Because our country needs a navy, and because men with any stones don’t stand for it to be run by clowns like this.

    Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Because our country needs a navy

    I didn’t know that you’re an Israeli.

  50. @Achmed E. Newman

    In his section on IQ trends since The Bell Curve 27 years ago, Murray briefly notes the decline of the once-dominant centrists who assumed that any gaps between whites and blacks could be eliminated with whatever their favorite one weird trick was. In his 1984 book, Losing Ground, the libertarian Murray himself wrote:

    I suggest that when we give such parents vouchers, we will observe substantial convergence of black and white test scores in a single generation.
     
    I can't tell if this is just to note that Charles Murray is something of a Libertarian, or that it's specifically his libertarianism that made him write that in 1984. There's no rule that Libertarians can't also be race realists. If Libertarian Barry Goldwater had been voted in in 1964, then lots of the big Feral Gov't programs that screw white people in the ass continuously would not be in existence. Take AA, please, Steve.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    There’s no rule that Libertarians can’t also be race realists.

    No official rule but being a racial realist causes major problems for libertarians.

    Ayn Rand most likely figured this out which explains why she was so adamant against allowing for racial differences.

    If third world people create third world countries then most of the libertarian plan falls apart pretty quickly. In many ways it is one big exercise in race denial. Applying hard drugs and low taxes to the Congo will not turn it into France. Once you allow for that conclusion most of it is really just a load of horse manure.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @John Johnson

    Mr. Johnson, the commenter "onebornfree" gave you a pretty good answer already right there. I agree with him about Ann Rand too.. just not much of a fan here.

    Bringing up Haiti or Somalia, place with nothing buy anarchy, is a silly trick by those who hate to imagine freedom, oops, hate Lolbertarians. None of these places has anything approaching what the Founders of the US set up for a government. Of course, those black people in those countries wouldn't even understand the principals our Founders put into writing and built a government around ("if we could keep it, Ma'am").

    OTOH, you had a country full of white Christians, turned Communist for 70 years, who lived damn near as poorly as those people in Haiti and Somalia do. What was the deal there, Mr. Johnson? You had China go hard-core Communist for 40 years, killing dozens of millions, causing the people to lose most morals and all religion, until the market was let to operate for a while, changing the place to what we see now. No, it's no Libertarian paradise by any means, as they've got Mao II* over there, but I really thought it was headed in a good direction 15 years back.

    Of course the people matter! Maybe the Reason-mag idiots don't get that, but plenty of Libertarians do.


    .

    * Only this guy knows not to kill the economy of the country this time, so far ...

  51. @Mike_from_SGV
    At some point, conservative young white men will ask themselves why they should volunteer to join this woke organization, which puts their life on the line. Some may continue to do so for purely transactional reasons, eg a job, a pension, money for college.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Catdog, @AnotherDad

    I strongly considered joining the military when I was in college but seeing the rotc guus wearing red high heels changed my mind.

  52. @Bubba

    ‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’
     
    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey's tripe.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Seneca44, @George True

    Guys like Nimitz and Halsey who wanted to fight and win are long gone and won’t be returning. Today’s top brass in all US military branches would be more comfortable in a woke boardroom than any battlefield. Hope for continued peace won’t prevent the barbarians from appearing at our gates and they won’t be repelled by a politically correct but frail US military.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Seneca44

    I remember watching Admiral Nimitz' daughter, Sr. Mary Aquinas, on the History channel describing in very good detail about the pettiness, nonsense and childish games that her father's enemies played in the Navy during WWII.

    She was a phenomenal person, extremely bright and very interesting. She converted to Catholicism (the Nimitz household was non-religious) while in high school and then earned a bachelor's degree in biological sciences from Stanford, became a Dominican nun, got a master's in zoology from UC Berkeley and then a PhD in biological sciences from Stanford. And she had great stories to tell about her father too.

    Replies: @res

  53. @Colin Wright
    ' ‘our strength is in our diversity’

    The sheer idiocy of that sentiment gets on my nerves.

    Replies: @Travis, @CountIblis

    Navy Seals must be the weakest link of our armed forces because they lack diversity thus have no strength. It is time to abolish the Navy Seal teams, they are too weak due to a lack of diversity.

  54. @Anon
    “Our strength is in our diversity”

    Despite the nature of our enemy—how stupid they are and how deeply ideological—it is still amazing that people say this with a straight face.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb

    “Our strength is in our diversity”

    Despite the nature of our enemy—how stupid they are and how deeply ideological—it is still amazing that people say this with a straight face.

    It may well be the single dumbest sociological statement that’s ever been uttered. It’s contradicted by basically the entirety of human history, human experience.

    But … it was a stroke of genius.

    The original messaging of minoritarians to the majority was basically “You’re oppressing us! Please stop!” The asks flew under the radar of integration: “Be tolerant”, “Allow us to participate” … “Let us in!”

    This was never completely sincere. The goal of minoritarians was never to integrate to “boring”, “white bread” America, but to overthrow it. But it was clever as it played on white Christian universalism and Anglo notions of “fair play”. However, it also implicitly assumed–and implied–that yeah the majority is in charge and we want to join it.

    “Diversity” is great because it tosses that majoritarian assumption out. No one has to “join” or be “integrated”. The majority is not normative, but “diversity” is normative. For a minority, “diversity” means, “I’m equal. I’m just as good. I don’t have to bend to white norms … whites have to accommodate me.”

    But the real “killer app” aspect of “diversity” is that it is religious and aspirational–for white gentiles.

    When true believer good-whites gentiles think diversity, what they imagine is a fantasy of rainbow hued everyone all together, shoulder to the wheel, like in one of those New Deal, WPA mosaics/paintings.

    What these white gentiles are actually pinning for is community. Basically a big de-tribalized community where we all come together as one, like … whites were under Church in Medieval Europe!–where the cooperative, empathetic Western personality type was formed.

    “Diversity”–for these good-white gentiles–isn’t about any grubby reality. It’s a religious fantasy. A replacement for the lost/missing universal Christian community their genetics evolved for.

    It is deeply ironic that white gentiles have been rolled by more tribal minoritarians into complying with the destruction of the West precisely because of the distinct non-tribal personality profile of white gentiles–empathy, cooperation, high-trust–that allowed the creation of strong “we’re all in this together” Western nation-states. The white gentile psychological urge toward community (under Christian universalism) is being used to destroy community and nation and white people themselves.

    But understanding it is critical to fixing it.

    • Agree: Forbes
    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @rebel yell
    @AnotherDad


    The white gentile psychological urge toward community (under Christian universalism) is being used to destroy community and nation and white people themselves.
     
    This is a good comment and shows that the "lesson" whites need to learn isn't going to be learned in an election cycle. If Goodwhite naivete is the Achilles heel of western civilization, it may take generations of defeats in life's competitions with the more shrewd tribes to exorcise this foolishness from our cultural memetic and biological genetic pools.
    Which is not to say it is futile for us to argue against the foolishness now. The journey of a thousand miles is taken step by step.
  55. 60% of the US military is White today and 75% of officers are White

    When will non-whites become the majority of our Active military troops ? Since only people under the age of 39 can enlist in our military we should see the share of whites dropping significantly over the next decade, as the majority of our High School graduates are non-white today. How can we still have a majority White military force when the majority of Americans under the age of 21 are Non-White ?

    Since peaking in 1990 the number of Whites under the age of 40 has fallen 27%. This trend is accelerating as white fertility continues to decline along with an increase in mixed raced couples. 10% of whites have non-white children today, which compounds the decline in the number of whites.

  56. @Anonymous
    Anybody here know Joe Rogan?

    Charles Murray MUST be his guest soon!

    Let’s get him on, Joe!

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  57. This all started with Jonesy, the brilliant black sonar operator in The Hunt for Red October. Jonesy figured-out the secret of the Russian sub’s propulsion system, and patiently explained it to the dense white captain. Prior to this, a case for diversity as a strength could be made in other ways — courage to charge a hill, etc. But after Jonesy, the diversity strength was expanded to underscore intellectual, high-tech acumen.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @SafeNow

    Yes, but it was the dense Captain who laconically explained to Jonesy how to play an underwater game of chicken with a torpedo closing on them from astern and a Russian sub from the bow.

    "Right full rudder, 30-degree down"

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+tube+red+october+game+of+chicken&qs=n&msbsrank=1_2__1&sp=-1&pq=you+tube+red+october+game+of+chicken&sc=2-36&sk=&cvid=B242A5011E0640ECBE426F7A56C3648B&sid=049B73F46EC869D6133463AD6F2E6844&jsoncbid=0&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dyou%2520tube%2520red%2520october%2520game%2520of%2520chicken%26qs%3dn%26form%3dQBRE%26msbsrank%3d1_2__1%26sp%3d-1%26pq%3dyou%2520tube%2520red%2520october%2520game%2520of%2520chicken%26sc%3d2-36%26sk%3d%26cvid%3dB242A5011E0640ECBE426F7A56C3648B%26sid%3d049B73F46EC869D6133463AD6F2E6844%26format%3dsnrjson%26jsoncbid%3d0&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=21B5B0C4CA6C07C0EF3E21B5B0C4CA6C07C0EF3E&FORM=WRVORC

  58. @obwandiyag
    Does it give any of you pause that this Murray guy is kind of the Dr. Phil of IQ?

    His whole schtick, and schtick is the appropriate word, just seems to be so commercial, so show-biz. He seems to have this big organization behind him, he's got his catch-phrases, he puts out books on a regular schedule, just like commercial novelists do, he has an almost cinematic, character-actor personality, he has a special handshake, a badge, a cereal brand, a fan club, and die-hard rabid fans rattle their keys, throw toast, and mouth lines along with him at every concert.

    I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong.

    I'm saying that, personally, it gives me pause whenever things seem a little too pat, too commercial, too orchestrated, too pandering, too obviously set up and marketed.

    Fer Chrissake, everybody on here spends every waking hour thinking up the most ornate conspiracy, the conspiracy more ironic and involuted than the other guy's, and yet, if it's somebody or -thing they like, well, it's all just perfectly flat, innocent, straightforward and irony-free--what it is, what you see is what you get, no conspiracies here.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Desiderius, @Redman, @Forbes, @J.Ross, @James J O'Meara

    Another case of feelz over evidence. Not very convincing.

    >”You guys only have conspiracy theories, and Murray conspires with a secret cabal to produce works at regular intervals like 1984, 1994, 2003, 2008, 2012, 2020, 2021…

    Murray is a social scientist who publishes his findings. What do you expect him to do, practice carpentry…

  59. This is both a threat and an opportunity.

    Threat: once the purging of all Whites from the military is complete, the black ascendancy can get down to its goal they’ve been shouting about for years: getting rid of all White people. ALL.

    Opportunity: the brass in the US Military has no illusions about the competency of blacks, or their ability to advance by “fighting” various pocket wars with no intention of winning or losing: Afghanistan, Syria, Mali, Uganda, etc. They have even less interest in being removed for some black person. The military is adept at saluting and then very much not carrying out orders in a way to CYA. All this stuff about a Chinese defector, Chinese bioweapons, Chinese influence in the government. The Biden Regency did not think that if the Military got rid of Trump who it did not like, could it not also get rid of them?

    Chaser: the US Military was the one place where there were limits to Affirmative Action and thus took in a lot of ambitious young White men without money, power, or connections. The more action-oriented became Spec Ops leaders, or combat brigade leaders, or combat engineers, and the like, or various pilots. That’s out. The entire White population that is not Hunter Biden will look like this:

    [If the image does not render its that White guy being yelled at through a bullhorn at Starbucks by some middle aged black dude while some older and ugly White woman looks on approvingly.]

    Yeah sure Divine Right of KANGZ is good for blacks and every black person loves it. It however relegates AT BEST White dudes to being that guy at Starbucks who is periodically screamed at for being the racial oppressor. While of course being racially oppressed himself. Can a modern, industrial society run on KANGZ with Whites relegated to making Frappacinos? We are about to find out.

    • Agree: JMcG
  60. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    It is deeply ironic that white gentiles have been rolled by more tribal minoritarians into complying with the destruction of the West precisely because of the distinct non-tribal personality profile of white gentiles–empathy, cooperation, high-trust–that allowed the creation of strong “we’re all in this together” Western nation-states. The white gentile psychological urge toward community (under Christian universalism) is being used to destroy community and nation and white people themselves.

    There’s a fundamental, unmitigatable problem, most likely related to genetics:

    When things are good, white people fight amongst themselves.
    When things are bad, white people pull together.

    When things are good, black people get along amongst themselves.
    When things are bad, black fight amongst themselves.

    Incompatible genetic mapping means eternal conflict between the black and white mindset.

    Like nuclear conflict, the best strategy is not to play. The western elite don’t do it. Insisting on playing is for the suckers and the mugs, while the elites profit for the never-ending fusion of conflict.

  61. @obwandiyag
    Does it give any of you pause that this Murray guy is kind of the Dr. Phil of IQ?

    His whole schtick, and schtick is the appropriate word, just seems to be so commercial, so show-biz. He seems to have this big organization behind him, he's got his catch-phrases, he puts out books on a regular schedule, just like commercial novelists do, he has an almost cinematic, character-actor personality, he has a special handshake, a badge, a cereal brand, a fan club, and die-hard rabid fans rattle their keys, throw toast, and mouth lines along with him at every concert.

    I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong.

    I'm saying that, personally, it gives me pause whenever things seem a little too pat, too commercial, too orchestrated, too pandering, too obviously set up and marketed.

    Fer Chrissake, everybody on here spends every waking hour thinking up the most ornate conspiracy, the conspiracy more ironic and involuted than the other guy's, and yet, if it's somebody or -thing they like, well, it's all just perfectly flat, innocent, straightforward and irony-free--what it is, what you see is what you get, no conspiracies here.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Desiderius, @Redman, @Forbes, @J.Ross, @James J O'Meara

    Have you read Human Accomplishment?

  62. @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    “Our strength is in our diversity”

    Despite the nature of our enemy—how stupid they are and how deeply ideological—it is still amazing that people say this with a straight face.
     

    It may well be the single dumbest sociological statement that's ever been uttered. It's contradicted by basically the entirety of human history, human experience.

    But ... it was a stroke of genius.

    The original messaging of minoritarians to the majority was basically "You're oppressing us! Please stop!" The asks flew under the radar of integration: "Be tolerant", "Allow us to participate" ... "Let us in!"

    This was never completely sincere. The goal of minoritarians was never to integrate to "boring", "white bread" America, but to overthrow it. But it was clever as it played on white Christian universalism and Anglo notions of "fair play". However, it also implicitly assumed--and implied--that yeah the majority is in charge and we want to join it.


    "Diversity" is great because it tosses that majoritarian assumption out. No one has to "join" or be "integrated". The majority is not normative, but "diversity" is normative. For a minority, "diversity" means, "I'm equal. I'm just as good. I don't have to bend to white norms ... whites have to accommodate me."

    But the real "killer app" aspect of "diversity" is that it is religious and aspirational--for white gentiles.

    When true believer good-whites gentiles think diversity, what they imagine is a fantasy of rainbow hued everyone all together, shoulder to the wheel, like in one of those New Deal, WPA mosaics/paintings.

    What these white gentiles are actually pinning for is community. Basically a big de-tribalized community where we all come together as one, like ... whites were under Church in Medieval Europe!--where the cooperative, empathetic Western personality type was formed.

    "Diversity"--for these good-white gentiles--isn’t about any grubby reality. It's a religious fantasy. A replacement for the lost/missing universal Christian community their genetics evolved for.

    It is deeply ironic that white gentiles have been rolled by more tribal minoritarians into complying with the destruction of the West precisely because of the distinct non-tribal personality profile of white gentiles--empathy, cooperation, high-trust--that allowed the creation of strong "we're all in this together" Western nation-states. The white gentile psychological urge toward community (under Christian universalism) is being used to destroy community and nation and white people themselves.

    But understanding it is critical to fixing it.

    Replies: @rebel yell

    The white gentile psychological urge toward community (under Christian universalism) is being used to destroy community and nation and white people themselves.

    This is a good comment and shows that the “lesson” whites need to learn isn’t going to be learned in an election cycle. If Goodwhite naivete is the Achilles heel of western civilization, it may take generations of defeats in life’s competitions with the more shrewd tribes to exorcise this foolishness from our cultural memetic and biological genetic pools.
    Which is not to say it is futile for us to argue against the foolishness now. The journey of a thousand miles is taken step by step.

  63. @UNIT472
    Given that the Navy lost the Bonhomme Richard, one of its big deck Amphibious Assault Ships, to an arsonist last summer and have not revealed the identity of the suspect can we ask is that because they don't have the evidence or don't want to charge the suspect?

    In a normal Navy finding out who burned up a $3 billion dollar navy ship would be a high priority but maybe not in the current Navy. Its redolent of the turret explosion on the USS Iowa. Somebody did something deliberately but the Navy decided not to say who or what.

    That the Navy can lose two capital ships to sabotage and not want to discuss the matter of who it is allowing to serve on its ships is worrisome.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Skyler the Weird, @James Speaks, @Paperback Writer, @J.Ross, @3g4me

    Maybe it’s better to lose ships like this, rather than crashing at sea or surrendering without a fight to an Iranian patrol.

  64. @Mike_from_SGV
    At some point, conservative young white men will ask themselves why they should volunteer to join this woke organization, which puts their life on the line. Some may continue to do so for purely transactional reasons, eg a job, a pension, money for college.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Catdog, @AnotherDad

    At some point, conservative young white men will ask themselves why they should volunteer to join this woke organization, which puts their life on the line. Some may continue to do so for purely transactional reasons, eg a job, a pension, money for college.

    Mike–lot of sympathy for your view.

    However, i’m not enamored with the prospect of a completely woke US military staffed only by minorities and good-white fellow travelers. That military–absent honest, conscientious, conservative American white men–could, heck would, do really nasty stuff for the regime.

  65. Could the Racial Reckoning end up being eugenic in the long run, because a lot of the most irresponsible blacks are culled by bullets?

  66. Given the context, to say

    ‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’

    is prima facie evidence of insanity.

    The claim presupposes that the diverse groups are in fact different in meaningful ways. Weaknesses in a group can thus be compensated for by another’s compensating strengths. The whole has no weaknesses.

    Kendi-ism requires no measurable differences that can manifest in meaningful dimensions (economic, social preferences, and so forth). This is a claim of false heterogeneity (or superficial), but effective homogeneity. Thus there is no mechanism for any benefit from diversity. Kendi-ism requires the homogeneous outcomes that would naturally occur without racist responses to superficial differences.

    Logically, the wrong camp makes the claim about strength in diversity.

  67. @Ed
    The GOP has its moments. Wish at least a few senators had the guts to squash this Juneteenth nonsense yesterday but I guess you can’t win them all.

    What a pathetic disgrace for our Navy though.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @RichardTaylor, @Boomthorkell, @SunBakedSuburb, @3g4me, @tyrone

    “What a pathetic disgrace for our Navy though”

    Admiral Gilday is the USN’s top uniform bureaucrat. The Navy needs lots of bodies; the future for American bodies is in the darker hues. He could be a white anti-racist or a practical executive looking at the demographic reality. Either way it’s good to get Kendi’s magnum opus out there, exposed to sunlight. It’s college freshman-level racist agitprop.

  68. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/QuasLacrimas/status/1405385151236947975?s=20

    Of course. Who's stopping them? This is about power not truth.

    While we decided we weren't gonna study war no more they got busy doing just that. Specifically, a pedo who taught them that truth is nothing more than power. Now he's the most cited scholar in history.

    Think you're beating that by muh hypeahcrusy poasting?

    Replies: @anon

    Think you’re beating that by muh hypeahcrusy poasting?

    Got mirror?

    lol

    smh

  69. @Mr. Anon

    Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday faced grilling at Wednesday hearing

    ‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’
     

    If you substitute the word "electrolytes" for "diversity", it makes more sense.

    DoD - Distillation of Diversity

    Have you ever seen a white supremacist drink water, Mandrake?

    Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    If you substitute the word “electrolytes” for “diversity”, it makes more sense.

    DoD – Distillation of Diversity

    Have you ever seen a white supremacist drink water, Mandrake?

    Idiocracy and Dr. Strangelove both referenced in one short post. Very nice.

  70. @Mr. Anon
    @Bubba


    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey’s tripe.
     
    The top military brass in the U.S. are the equivalent of the generals of the Imperial Russian Or Austrian armies in 1914, who's chief qualifications were that they had very tall and impressive ostrich-plumed hats.

    Replies: @Spect3r, @International Jew

    Our military is also analogous to the Red Army circa 1939, after almost all the competent officers had gotten purged.

    • Agree: Bubba, Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @International Jew

    That military beat Hitler.

    https://twitter.com/FrantizekPaul/status/1404109604125134849?s=20

    Maybe people who can't even defend themselves or run at the first sign of trouble aren't the best ones at protecting the country.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @International Jew, @anon, @res

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @International Jew

    True. Stalin began that war with Budyonny, Voroshilov, Mekhlis ...meh

    I think Timoshenko was rather capable, but limited.

  71. @Anon
    “Our strength is in our diversity”

    Despite the nature of our enemy—how stupid they are and how deeply ideological—it is still amazing that people say this with a straight face.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @AnotherDad, @SunBakedSuburb

    “still amazing that people say this with a straight face”

    Woke is a secular religion that’s kicking Christianity’s ass. Time for Wotan (Odin) to stop wandering and attend to business.

  72. @obwandiyag
    Does it give any of you pause that this Murray guy is kind of the Dr. Phil of IQ?

    His whole schtick, and schtick is the appropriate word, just seems to be so commercial, so show-biz. He seems to have this big organization behind him, he's got his catch-phrases, he puts out books on a regular schedule, just like commercial novelists do, he has an almost cinematic, character-actor personality, he has a special handshake, a badge, a cereal brand, a fan club, and die-hard rabid fans rattle their keys, throw toast, and mouth lines along with him at every concert.

    I'm not saying whether he's right or wrong.

    I'm saying that, personally, it gives me pause whenever things seem a little too pat, too commercial, too orchestrated, too pandering, too obviously set up and marketed.

    Fer Chrissake, everybody on here spends every waking hour thinking up the most ornate conspiracy, the conspiracy more ironic and involuted than the other guy's, and yet, if it's somebody or -thing they like, well, it's all just perfectly flat, innocent, straightforward and irony-free--what it is, what you see is what you get, no conspiracies here.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Desiderius, @Redman, @Forbes, @J.Ross, @James J O'Meara

    Not every object that’s longer than it is wide is a phallus. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

  73. Murray Has Facts and Logic on His Side

    mein steve’s humor is as attenuated as kolsch.

  74. blacks and whites scored the same on some test in bermuda. some black african countries have lower murder rates than the US. US border cities have the lowest murder rates of all US cities, mexican border cities higher than in city in the US.

    the problem isn’t blacks. the problem is diversity per se. the US is a new world country, a state but not a nation. it used to be a nation sans blacks, an homogenization of so many european ethnies who had being european in common.

    murray sees a cactus rot in a rainforest and blames the cactus’s genes alone. he sees doug fir grow tall in the olympics rainforest and wants to marry it. then he travels to the desert and sees a cactus and a doug fir and shoots himself in the butthole.

    sad.

    • LOL: Lurker
  75. When the going gets tough the tough get going.

    Maybe ask yourself why it’s so tough in the first place. Don’t think Doyle would dodge a heads-up with a fish just because the fish barely knew how to play.

    Especially when the stakes are your civilization.

  76. blacks and whites scored the same on some test in bermuda. some black african countries have lower murder rates than the US. US border cities have the lowest murder rates of all US cities, mexican border cities te highest.

    the problem isn’t blacks. the problem is diversity per se. the US is a new world country, a state but not a nation. it used to be a nation sans blacks, an homogenization of so many european ethnies who had being european in common.

    murray sees a cactus rot in a rainforest and blames the cactus’s genes alone. he sees doug fir grow tall in the olympics rainforest and wants to marry it. then he travels to the desert and sees a catus and a doug fir and shoots himself in the butthole.

    sad.

    the US is a destroyer of culture, a fake and gay country. what it needs is partition and shoah part deux.

  77. @International Jew
    @Mr. Anon

    Our military is also analogous to the Red Army circa 1939, after almost all the competent officers had gotten purged.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Bardon Kaldian

    That military beat Hitler.

    Maybe people who can’t even defend themselves or run at the first sign of trouble aren’t the best ones at protecting the country.

    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Desiderius

    The indigenous, non-Slavic peoples from Siberia or the Caucasus mountains often grew up surrounded by guns that got their food, especially for the former. (Stalin's lifelong love of hunting and fishing stemmed from his Siberian exile days: I think he was taught how to ice fish by the villagers in one particularly northern town he ended up in.) They thus knew how to shoot well. Some of the best Soviet snipers of WWII looked like this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Okhlopkov

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Nomokonov

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abukhadzhi_Idrisov

    Last guy might look Russian, but don't be fooled, he's Chechen. And he got deported because of his race just *after* becoming a Hero of the Soviet Union.

    Then there's the tale of Rokossovsky, the ethnic Pole who got his fingernails ripped out by the NKVD during the 1930s, only to be recalled by Stalin. Push came to shove, the USSR was no less an imperium than the Tsarist or Hapsburg ones of old were. You had a Leitkultur, but it was a multi-ethnic place.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Paperback Writer

    , @International Jew
    @Desiderius

    That guy is wondering why the fuck he gets to die invading Finland.

    The Red Army didn't do so hot in the early going, you'll recall. They purged 90% of all the officers from colonel on up.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    , @anon
    @Desiderius

    That military beat Hitler.

    No. That 1939 military could barely beat Finland. It was nearly crushed in 1941.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @res
    @Desiderius

    This 1983 Rand paper gives a much different impression.
    The Ethnic Factor in the Soviet Armed Forces
    https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2007/R2930.1.pdf

    No OCR so I can't cut and paste, but pages 4-5 give a short take on "The World War II Experience."

    They mention a policy change resulting in the decline of non-Slavs serving after 1943. Along with issues with some of the other groups not being loyal (e.g. serving with the Germans instead).

    That section is short and well worth a read. It gives some good perspective on "diversity is our strength."

    Replies: @Desiderius

  78. Glenn you’re on one of the top five or so men of the age but you’re still a Boomer. The power is global, man. It doesn’t stop at the water’s edge, a good bit of it starts there. Whites aren’t a majority there not close and the first derivative is even worse for everyone but people who look – but absolutely do NOT think – like you man.

    Get real.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Desiderius

    'Glenn you’re on one of the top five or so men of the age but you’re still a Boomer. The power is global, man. It doesn’t stop at the water’s edge, a good bit of it starts there. Whites aren’t a majority there not close and the first derivative is even worse for everyone but people who look – but absolutely do NOT think – like you man...

    ? Cockroaches totally outnumber people most places. Does that signify something?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  79. “Charles Murray? How many aircraft carrier groups has he?”

  80. @Desiderius
    @International Jew

    That military beat Hitler.

    https://twitter.com/FrantizekPaul/status/1404109604125134849?s=20

    Maybe people who can't even defend themselves or run at the first sign of trouble aren't the best ones at protecting the country.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @International Jew, @anon, @res

    The indigenous, non-Slavic peoples from Siberia or the Caucasus mountains often grew up surrounded by guns that got their food, especially for the former. (Stalin’s lifelong love of hunting and fishing stemmed from his Siberian exile days: I think he was taught how to ice fish by the villagers in one particularly northern town he ended up in.) They thus knew how to shoot well. Some of the best Soviet snipers of WWII looked like this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Okhlopkov

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Nomokonov

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abukhadzhi_Idrisov

    Last guy might look Russian, but don’t be fooled, he’s Chechen. And he got deported because of his race just *after* becoming a Hero of the Soviet Union.

    Then there’s the tale of Rokossovsky, the ethnic Pole who got his fingernails ripped out by the NKVD during the 1930s, only to be recalled by Stalin. Push came to shove, the USSR was no less an imperium than the Tsarist or Hapsburg ones of old were. You had a Leitkultur, but it was a multi-ethnic place.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @nebulafox

    Thanks man, reminds me of this guy:

    https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Alvin_York

    I've got people from near Fentriss County. Caucasus Mtns west, almost Almost Heaven.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @nebulafox

    Was Lenin part Kalmyk?

  81. @Ed
    The GOP has its moments. Wish at least a few senators had the guts to squash this Juneteenth nonsense yesterday but I guess you can’t win them all.

    What a pathetic disgrace for our Navy though.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @RichardTaylor, @Boomthorkell, @SunBakedSuburb, @3g4me, @tyrone

    @1 Ed: You are a classic enabler; easy to see why you support the GOP. I’m sure you’ll go down with your ‘principles’ intact.

  82. @Desiderius
    @International Jew

    That military beat Hitler.

    https://twitter.com/FrantizekPaul/status/1404109604125134849?s=20

    Maybe people who can't even defend themselves or run at the first sign of trouble aren't the best ones at protecting the country.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @International Jew, @anon, @res

    That guy is wondering why the fuck he gets to die invading Finland.

    The Red Army didn’t do so hot in the early going, you’ll recall. They purged 90% of all the officers from colonel on up.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @International Jew

    The race goes not to the swift. That guy doesn't look like he's wondering about much at all. You really think the Keshiks did?

    Not saying the officers who were purged deserved to die but am saying that if they were still serving in that army by that time competent wouldn't be the first word that would come to mind. Likewise the men getting squeezed out of our own are by and large not the best and brightest themselves. Those left long ago and the Special Forces have famously been having all kinds of internal problems up to and including murder for a good while that have nothing to do with wokeness.

    Let things rot you're going to get maggots showing up to feed.

  83. @Franz
    I put my four year enlisted in the US Navy a long time ago. Not many more months will pass it comes to a half century that I got out. 1972 was a good year to get out, hippies were dispersing and hitch hiking was a breeze if your hair was short.

    Navy guys: They pretended to like Nixon's Vietnam policy then and they're probably pretending to like diversity now. Anybody believe it? Good. Nobody in the ranks then did either. Regular guys probably think the same way we did. And the careerists we worked for then are the same asskissers you got now. This is a constant.

    The scenery changes, human nature does not.

    Replies: @3g4me

    @20 Franz: That’s a lot of hopium to rationalize the fact that the nation you thought you served has been dead and gone for decades. You’ve been replaced. Your ‘service’ (like my father-in–law’s entire career) was an utter waste of time. So grovel at the black and tranny toes and tell yourself how happy you are you’re not speaking German.

    • Replies: @Franz
    @3g4me


    So grovel at the black and tranny toes and tell yourself how happy you are you’re not speaking German.
     
    You seem to be answering another comment. If you MUST insult strangers a non sequitur is no way to do it. No enlisted serviceman has had anything to do with policies on Germans, blacks, or trannys. Then as now they sign on a line, do their time, and go back to being civilians.
  84. @UNIT472
    Given that the Navy lost the Bonhomme Richard, one of its big deck Amphibious Assault Ships, to an arsonist last summer and have not revealed the identity of the suspect can we ask is that because they don't have the evidence or don't want to charge the suspect?

    In a normal Navy finding out who burned up a $3 billion dollar navy ship would be a high priority but maybe not in the current Navy. Its redolent of the turret explosion on the USS Iowa. Somebody did something deliberately but the Navy decided not to say who or what.

    That the Navy can lose two capital ships to sabotage and not want to discuss the matter of who it is allowing to serve on its ships is worrisome.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Skyler the Weird, @James Speaks, @Paperback Writer, @J.Ross, @3g4me

    @30 Unit472: “That the Navy can lose two capital ships to sabotage and not want to discuss the matter of who it is allowing to serve on its ships is worrisome.”

    Worrisome? Try telling. Perhaps predictable. How about diversity quotient 100? Stop thinking there’s going to be any sense or turning around of any formerly White institutions. What you consider ‘your’ country is theirs now. Abandon it as the maggot ridden corpse that it is. You can rely on nothing but your people and your God.

  85. @Colin Wright
    ' ‘our strength is in our diversity’

    The sheer idiocy of that sentiment gets on my nerves.

    Replies: @Travis, @CountIblis

    I sometimes ask libs, What good is diversity without standards? I rarely get a coherent answer.

  86. @Desiderius
    @International Jew

    That military beat Hitler.

    https://twitter.com/FrantizekPaul/status/1404109604125134849?s=20

    Maybe people who can't even defend themselves or run at the first sign of trouble aren't the best ones at protecting the country.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @International Jew, @anon, @res

    That military beat Hitler.

    No. That 1939 military could barely beat Finland. It was nearly crushed in 1941.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @anon



    That military beat Hitler.

     

    No. That 1939 military could barely beat Finland. It was nearly crushed in 1941.
     
    Both could be true. The Eastern Front was the site of the majority of German casualties. It was a meat grinder for all sides. Finns were fighting at home. They consider it one of the 41 wars they lost against Russia. (Details, Lagertha?)

    Actually, Hitler beat Hitler. Napoleon 2.0.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  87. @International Jew
    @Desiderius

    That guy is wondering why the fuck he gets to die invading Finland.

    The Red Army didn't do so hot in the early going, you'll recall. They purged 90% of all the officers from colonel on up.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    The race goes not to the swift. That guy doesn’t look like he’s wondering about much at all. You really think the Keshiks did?

    Not saying the officers who were purged deserved to die but am saying that if they were still serving in that army by that time competent wouldn’t be the first word that would come to mind. Likewise the men getting squeezed out of our own are by and large not the best and brightest themselves. Those left long ago and the Special Forces have famously been having all kinds of internal problems up to and including murder for a good while that have nothing to do with wokeness.

    Let things rot you’re going to get maggots showing up to feed.

  88. @nebulafox
    @Desiderius

    The indigenous, non-Slavic peoples from Siberia or the Caucasus mountains often grew up surrounded by guns that got their food, especially for the former. (Stalin's lifelong love of hunting and fishing stemmed from his Siberian exile days: I think he was taught how to ice fish by the villagers in one particularly northern town he ended up in.) They thus knew how to shoot well. Some of the best Soviet snipers of WWII looked like this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Okhlopkov

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Nomokonov

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abukhadzhi_Idrisov

    Last guy might look Russian, but don't be fooled, he's Chechen. And he got deported because of his race just *after* becoming a Hero of the Soviet Union.

    Then there's the tale of Rokossovsky, the ethnic Pole who got his fingernails ripped out by the NKVD during the 1930s, only to be recalled by Stalin. Push came to shove, the USSR was no less an imperium than the Tsarist or Hapsburg ones of old were. You had a Leitkultur, but it was a multi-ethnic place.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Paperback Writer

    Thanks man, reminds me of this guy:

    https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Alvin_York

    I’ve got people from near Fentriss County. Caucasus Mtns west, almost Almost Heaven.

  89. @Paperback Writer
    I have no in-depth knowledge of the real nature of American military power. My gut tells me that now, and for the foreseeable future, the US has such a qualitative edge over anyone else that all of this is just show. These ships are like self-driving trucks, but infinitely more sophisticated.

    I always get the feelz that commenters here are waiting for, and would welcome, a military defeat. Russia or China, doesn't matter--woke military gets a KERPOW!!!--in the kisser. They rejoice.

    I don't see that happening but.... maybe I'm wrong. I also believe that things can go south awfully quickly.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @That Would Be Telling, @J.Ross

    I always get the feelz that commenters here are waiting for, and would welcome, a military defeat. Russia or China, doesn’t matter–woke military gets a KERPOW!!!–in the kisser.

    Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya…which one of these was a victory again??

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Farenheit

    Geezus.

    The stupidity here sometimes gets overwhelming.

    , @JMcG
    @Farenheit

    You forgot Korea and Vietnam. Ever since Truman integr…

  90. @James Speaks
    @UNIT472


    Its redolent of the turret explosion on the USS Iowa. Somebody did something deliberately but the Navy decided not to say who or what.
     
    The powder bags used in the sixteen inch guns will explode if compressed quickly. Normal procedure for loading the gun after firing is to check the barrel and swab if necessary, place the projectile in line with the barrel and use a mechanical ram to push it into the barrel a specified distance, then to load five or six bags of gunpowder, two at a time onto the cradle then ram them into the breech. If the projectile has not been rammed in far enough, or if the projectile is correctly placed but the bags are pushed too far, an overram condition is created. When compressed, the gunpowder bags will explode.

    My guess is that one of the crewman did not do her job correctly; either the projectile was not rammed far enough or the gunpowder bags were overramed. Kaboom.

    It could have been that ramming is just not women's work, ramming correctly is "acting white" or that woke maff was used. (5 is equal to 6 and it's racist to expect a brother to care.)

    Replies: @UNIT472

    Problem was, its not like these 16 inch guns were new weaponry. The Navy knew how to properly load and fire them and had done so many thousands of times under far more trying combat conditions. It was a routine procedure being performed by a trained and experienced crew.

    I lean towards the Navy’s initial conclusion that it was a deranged or suicidal sailor with an explosive device. It was only when the homosexual angle came out were there calls for an ‘independent investigation’ by DC politicians who, normally, couldn’t have cared less if a bunch of sailors were killed that the least likely cause, over ramming, was proposed and then accepted.

    Sort of like today we are told pangolins at a wet market caused covid not the labororatory down the street that studied bat coronviruses

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Thanks: James Speaks
  91. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Old people shouldn’t shack up. The kids don’t like it:

    Man Kills Mom’s Ex By Tying Him to Truck, Setting it on Fire—Police
     

    Sailer's Rule aside, maybe the problem with Africans being thrust into Western European life and doctrine for the last four hundred years is that too many are psychologically not up to the challenge. What is intrinsically "normal" for them, is horrible to us, making the assumption that they can conform to Western European norms a sort of unintended daily harassment that drives too many of them… crazier.

    ‘You stabbed me,’ Boy Tells Father at Double-Murder Trial:

    https://apnews.com/article/fl-state-wire-florida-trials-03b950b0a520f0ae8a75d92b64764fb2

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Sailer’s Rule aside, maybe the problem with Africans being thrust into Western European life and doctrine for the last four hundred years is that too many are psychologically not up to the challenge.

    This point has been made by Michael Levin of NYU. Black behavior is not “pathological”, but just what you’d expect of Africans “thrust” or let loose, in a Caucasian society. Freedom from external control requires self-control.

    What is intrinsically “normal” for them, is horrible to us…

    And vice versa. Like recycling and other “stuff white people like”.

    Man Kills Mom’s Ex By Tying Him to Truck, Setting it on Fire—Police

    I didn’t check, but the perp in this Texas case is probably white. His surname looked modified-German. The other “mother’s boyfriend” incident the article refers to was likely black.

  92. @anon
    @Desiderius

    That military beat Hitler.

    No. That 1939 military could barely beat Finland. It was nearly crushed in 1941.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That military beat Hitler.

    No. That 1939 military could barely beat Finland. It was nearly crushed in 1941.

    Both could be true. The Eastern Front was the site of the majority of German casualties. It was a meat grinder for all sides. Finns were fighting at home. They consider it one of the 41 wars they lost against Russia. (Details, Lagertha?)

    Actually, Hitler beat Hitler. Napoleon 2.0.

    • Thanks: Bubba
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Soviet military in 1941 wasn't the same one that lost to the Finns.

    The Finnish loss is what gave Hitler over-confidence. In all fairness not a single military analyst at the time thought that the Soviets had a chance against the Germans. There were US military analysts that wrote about how they pitied the Soviets because they were about to get a massive thrashing.

    What happened is that Stalin had purged a bunch of his own officers and the military was inexperienced when they fought the winter war against Finland.

    But by 1941 they were far more prepared and Stalin had been secretly building up armor in the east. That is really what did the Germans in. You can hear Hitler talking about this in the secret recording of table talk. They didn't think it was possible for ANY country to build that many tanks.

    It wasn't a mongul horde but the Soviet military had more Asians than people realize.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  93. @Achmed E. Newman
    On the Hispanic crime rate, as I wrote under a previous post, I'd be curious as to what the Unz proprietor thinks of this info. from Mr. Murray's book. His analysis, as I recall, was from data from State prisons as to the race/ethnicity of inmates, using names to to break out* the Hispanics for situations in which they are otherwise combined with White people.

    Here's one problem I see, as I wrote to him in a comment or two long ago: Americans and illegal Hispanics operate under effectively two separate systems of "justice". One could say that about employment rules and other areas too, BTW, as it's simply lots easier to get away with stuff when you can't be positively identified.

    What happened? Crashed into a family of four at an intersection with a blood alcohol level of 0.30%? Got arrested? No problem if you make bail. You go back south to old Mexico. Next work season, you come back, but you are no longer Jose. You are now Hose-B, with a different fake driver's license, and different made-up dependents to put on your tax forms to get Earned Income Credit at H&R Block.

    So the arrest records will show different proportions of Hispanics than the numbers from State pens. I do note that the "Most Wanted" posters show an awful lot of Hispanics. They look like they could have been lifted off a courthouse wall in Bolivia, with the 2 token "Banditos Yanquis" at the bottom.

    .


    * No, not to break them out of prison, but to break out the data.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @anonymous

    “Hose-B” would still have Jose’s fingerprints, in case he commits another crime serious enough for the authorities to care about. Although there’s lots of anecdotal reports we don’t care much about punishing a lot of series crimes by a lot of Hispanics.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @That Would Be Telling

    You have a point about the fingerprints, TWBT. Sure, they can ID him on both crimes and give him double probation, I dunno. I agree with your 2nd sentence. I wonder when I hear of illegal alien criminals who have committed multiple felonies and deported EACH TIME, coming back for more, of course, how can it all take place in a 5 or 10 year period.

    BTW, I've talked to pilots who fly for Swift Air. Swift Air, besides flying football/hockey/etc. team charters, has a handful of 737s that are configured as "Con Air", flying the worst of the illegal alien criminals back down to their old abodes. They tell me that they have numerous "frequent fliers". It's all totally broken. Contrary to what Mr. Unz keeps telling us, a serious border barrier would indeed help in this one regard, if nothing else.

  94. upon further review, who cares what Charles Murray has to say about anything. he’s a Democrat who votes Democrat. he’s strongly in favor of USA becoming a third world brazilian dump, and he’s openly hostile to anybody trying to stop it. he votes for exactly the same things as this X person, and they’re on the same team. “I’m on your side!” said the suburban home owner when the BLM mob came to his subdivision.

    Murray also supports complete leftist thought control of US universities, and opposes freedom of academic speech on college campuses. he strongly supports the protestors who interrupt his own speeches.

    he fashions himself as simply an observer of the decline, not at all as somebody advocating any policy recommendations to do anything about it. he’s a Democrat in good standing with the Ruling Party. screw this guy.

    • Replies: @anon
    @prime noticer

    Murray is basically checked out, he's just phoning in a few more concerns that were sorta relevant 25 or more years ago.

    He should just retire to the beach. Perhaps in his mind, he already has?

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/47/18/d44718eb5eba0fc280d00c32e8a4238c.jpg

  95. @Ed
    The GOP has its moments. Wish at least a few senators had the guts to squash this Juneteenth nonsense yesterday but I guess you can’t win them all.

    What a pathetic disgrace for our Navy though.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @RichardTaylor, @Boomthorkell, @SunBakedSuburb, @3g4me, @tyrone

    The last senator to stand up to that kind of sh*t died july 4 2008.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @tyrone

    Figured it was him. You're right.

  96. @Paperback Writer
    I have no in-depth knowledge of the real nature of American military power. My gut tells me that now, and for the foreseeable future, the US has such a qualitative edge over anyone else that all of this is just show. These ships are like self-driving trucks, but infinitely more sophisticated.

    I always get the feelz that commenters here are waiting for, and would welcome, a military defeat. Russia or China, doesn't matter--woke military gets a KERPOW!!!--in the kisser. They rejoice.

    I don't see that happening but.... maybe I'm wrong. I also believe that things can go south awfully quickly.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @That Would Be Telling, @J.Ross

    My gut tells me that now, and for the foreseeable future, the US has such a qualitative edge over anyone else that all of this is just show. These ships are like self-driving trucks, but infinitely more sophisticated.

    The dead crew members of the USS Fitzgerald and John S. McCain would like a word with you, were that possible. In the former, a woman in the Combat Information Center responsible for reporting information to the bridge was simply not talking to the woman officer of the deck and vice versa.

    And you really should read the “Proud Legions” chapter of T.R. Fehrenbach’s book This Kind of War. Might also want to talk to a nuclear submarine crewman or officer about how “self-driving” those are; that we’ve not yet lost one is about only positive thing I have to say about today’s US Navy.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @That Would Be Telling

    I expected a shrill, nasty, ill-tempered, not especially informative answer, and I got it.

    The Fehrenbach essay is about something entirely different. I was referring to technology v. technology - which is what naval warfare is.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @That Would Be Telling

    I read the Fehrenbach article some years back. It refers to a totally different scenario than what I was referring to. I wasn't discussing boots on the ground infantry slogging. I was referring to latter day technology.

    , @Ralph L
    @That Would Be Telling

    You forgot the USS Thresher in 1963 and Scorpion in 1968.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Thresher_(SSN-593)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Scorpion_(SSN-589)

  97. @Spud Boy
    The group differences in IQ are interesting, but not so important.

    Most of human behavior is software, and there are plenty of jobs for conscientious 90 IQ individuals.

    The problem is that blacks have been coddled and conditioned to think that 90-IQ jobs are beneath them, plus many of these jobs pay barely more than welfare, so why bother?

    To fix the problem, end welfare, and start treating blacks like they have agency.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The problem is that blacks have been coddled and conditioned to think that 90-IQ jobs are beneath them, plus many of these jobs pay barely more than welfare, so why bother?

    To fix the problem, end welfare, and start treating blacks like they have agency.

    Black men don’t get welfare. It’s the women that work the system.

    There is a bigger problem with Democrat employers in Democrat cities purposely hiring illegals over Blacks.

    I have seen it first hand. They want Guatemalans that work 12 hours a day and don’t say anything about being paid in cash.

    • Replies: @Spud Boy
    @John Johnson

    "Black men don’t get welfare. It’s the women that work the system."

    If you ended welfare, perhaps black women would make their men stick around to help raise the kids.

    I'm not denying your point about illegals. It's a good one that I had not considered. Cheers.

  98. @Reg Cæsar
    @anon



    That military beat Hitler.

     

    No. That 1939 military could barely beat Finland. It was nearly crushed in 1941.
     
    Both could be true. The Eastern Front was the site of the majority of German casualties. It was a meat grinder for all sides. Finns were fighting at home. They consider it one of the 41 wars they lost against Russia. (Details, Lagertha?)

    Actually, Hitler beat Hitler. Napoleon 2.0.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The Soviet military in 1941 wasn’t the same one that lost to the Finns.

    The Finnish loss is what gave Hitler over-confidence. In all fairness not a single military analyst at the time thought that the Soviets had a chance against the Germans. There were US military analysts that wrote about how they pitied the Soviets because they were about to get a massive thrashing.

    What happened is that Stalin had purged a bunch of his own officers and the military was inexperienced when they fought the winter war against Finland.

    But by 1941 they were far more prepared and Stalin had been secretly building up armor in the east. That is really what did the Germans in. You can hear Hitler talking about this in the secret recording of table talk. They didn’t think it was possible for ANY country to build that many tanks.

    It wasn’t a mongul horde but the Soviet military had more Asians than people realize.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @John Johnson

    And "the Russian Bear."

  99. Animal domestication goes along with a lower level of aggression and – white patches of the skin (cf. dogs, and cows and horses).

    17 min. 40 sec. in

  100. @Paperback Writer
    I have no in-depth knowledge of the real nature of American military power. My gut tells me that now, and for the foreseeable future, the US has such a qualitative edge over anyone else that all of this is just show. These ships are like self-driving trucks, but infinitely more sophisticated.

    I always get the feelz that commenters here are waiting for, and would welcome, a military defeat. Russia or China, doesn't matter--woke military gets a KERPOW!!!--in the kisser. They rejoice.

    I don't see that happening but.... maybe I'm wrong. I also believe that things can go south awfully quickly.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @That Would Be Telling, @J.Ross

    What do you expect is the reason we are allowing China to take over (and create!) fortified islands in the South China Sea? Is there some clever plan here?

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @J.Ross

    No clue. Do you have any ideas?

    Happy Juneteenth.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @J.Ross


    What do you expect is the reason we are allowing China to take over (and create!) fortified islands in the South China Sea? Is there some clever plan here?
     
    How well did that approach work for Imperial Japan in WWII??

    People claim that carriers are sitting ducks in a future peer war while ignoring a bunch of details like how they first have to be found, although they're certainly vulnerable as are all surface assets. And just what is an island which by definition doesn't move in real time?

    Replies: @anon, @J.Ross, @Joe Stalin

  101. ” ‘our strength is in our diversity’ ”

    Which was why Germany decided not to invade Poland and Japan decided not to hit Pearl Harbor.

  102. @That Would Be Telling
    @Paperback Writer


    My gut tells me that now, and for the foreseeable future, the US has such a qualitative edge over anyone else that all of this is just show. These ships are like self-driving trucks, but infinitely more sophisticated.
     
    The dead crew members of the USS Fitzgerald and John S. McCain would like a word with you, were that possible. In the former, a woman in the Combat Information Center responsible for reporting information to the bridge was simply not talking to the woman officer of the deck and vice versa.

    And you really should read the "Proud Legions" chapter of T.R. Fehrenbach's book This Kind of War. Might also want to talk to a nuclear submarine crewman or officer about how "self-driving" those are; that we've not yet lost one is about only positive thing I have to say about today's US Navy.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Ralph L

    I expected a shrill, nasty, ill-tempered, not especially informative answer, and I got it.

    The Fehrenbach essay is about something entirely different. I was referring to technology v. technology – which is what naval warfare is.

  103. @3g4me
    @Franz

    @20 Franz: That's a lot of hopium to rationalize the fact that the nation you thought you served has been dead and gone for decades. You've been replaced. Your 'service' (like my father-in--law's entire career) was an utter waste of time. So grovel at the black and tranny toes and tell yourself how happy you are you're not speaking German.

    Replies: @Franz

    So grovel at the black and tranny toes and tell yourself how happy you are you’re not speaking German.

    You seem to be answering another comment. If you MUST insult strangers a non sequitur is no way to do it. No enlisted serviceman has had anything to do with policies on Germans, blacks, or trannys. Then as now they sign on a line, do their time, and go back to being civilians.

  104. @That Would Be Telling
    @Paperback Writer


    My gut tells me that now, and for the foreseeable future, the US has such a qualitative edge over anyone else that all of this is just show. These ships are like self-driving trucks, but infinitely more sophisticated.
     
    The dead crew members of the USS Fitzgerald and John S. McCain would like a word with you, were that possible. In the former, a woman in the Combat Information Center responsible for reporting information to the bridge was simply not talking to the woman officer of the deck and vice versa.

    And you really should read the "Proud Legions" chapter of T.R. Fehrenbach's book This Kind of War. Might also want to talk to a nuclear submarine crewman or officer about how "self-driving" those are; that we've not yet lost one is about only positive thing I have to say about today's US Navy.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Ralph L

    I read the Fehrenbach article some years back. It refers to a totally different scenario than what I was referring to. I wasn’t discussing boots on the ground infantry slogging. I was referring to latter day technology.

  105. @nebulafox
    @Desiderius

    The indigenous, non-Slavic peoples from Siberia or the Caucasus mountains often grew up surrounded by guns that got their food, especially for the former. (Stalin's lifelong love of hunting and fishing stemmed from his Siberian exile days: I think he was taught how to ice fish by the villagers in one particularly northern town he ended up in.) They thus knew how to shoot well. Some of the best Soviet snipers of WWII looked like this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Okhlopkov

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Nomokonov

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abukhadzhi_Idrisov

    Last guy might look Russian, but don't be fooled, he's Chechen. And he got deported because of his race just *after* becoming a Hero of the Soviet Union.

    Then there's the tale of Rokossovsky, the ethnic Pole who got his fingernails ripped out by the NKVD during the 1930s, only to be recalled by Stalin. Push came to shove, the USSR was no less an imperium than the Tsarist or Hapsburg ones of old were. You had a Leitkultur, but it was a multi-ethnic place.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Paperback Writer

    Was Lenin part Kalmyk?

  106. @International Jew
    @Mr. Anon

    Our military is also analogous to the Red Army circa 1939, after almost all the competent officers had gotten purged.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Bardon Kaldian

    True. Stalin began that war with Budyonny, Voroshilov, Mekhlis …meh

    I think Timoshenko was rather capable, but limited.

  107. @Desiderius
    https://twitter.com/GlennLoury/status/1405165872096886787?s=20

    Glenn you're on one of the top five or so men of the age but you're still a Boomer. The power is global, man. It doesn't stop at the water's edge, a good bit of it starts there. Whites aren't a majority there not close and the first derivative is even worse for everyone but people who look - but absolutely do NOT think - like you man.

    Get real.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Glenn you’re on one of the top five or so men of the age but you’re still a Boomer. The power is global, man. It doesn’t stop at the water’s edge, a good bit of it starts there. Whites aren’t a majority there not close and the first derivative is even worse for everyone but people who look – but absolutely do NOT think – like you man…

    ? Cockroaches totally outnumber people most places. Does that signify something?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Colin Wright

    You think unchecked cockroach growth wouldn't be a problem? You couldn't have picked a better animal to make my point.

    Do you know what a first derivative is? Are you familiar with Steve's world pop growth graph? What's your Occam's Razor take on that?

    For people who can't even keep an election from being stolen right from under your noses y'all seem awfully impressed with yourselves. Rest of us see better than we hear and we ain't seen much.

    Join or die.

    Replies: @anon

  108. @Reg Cæsar
    @Bubba



    ‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’
     
    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey’s tripe.
     
    It's a lot older than Casey and Dan Quayle. People have been spouting this rot for centuries.

    Anyone even moderately conversant with US history knows that the whitest states led the advancement of what civilization we had, while the most diverse states were little more than steamy jungle outposts where nobody actually worked.


    By the way, I was at a "MAGA" rally over the weekend and only one of the speakers spoke out against blacks. It was not her fellow "desi", whom the author below attacks here, but Sheriff Clarke (Ret.) of Milwaukee County, who repeatedly told the crowd we don't need police reform, but ghetto reform.


    "Whenever white people do something terrible — I could give you an example or you could just Google 'Karen' and save me the trouble — I often joke to my white friends that they have to collect their people. But now, given conservative political commentator Dinesh D’Souza’s recent statements defending the president and attacking Kamala Harris, I must accept my burden, and collect this idiot."

    Dinesh D’Souza’s Attacks On Kamala Harris Are Part Of A Bigger Problem In The Indian Community
     

    Replies: @Bubba

    Anyone even moderately conversant with US history knows that the whitest states led the advancement of what civilization we had, while the most diverse states were little more than steamy jungle outposts where nobody actually worked.

    So true. I wish you were were the U.S. Secretary of Education in aeternum.

    “Whenever white people do something terrible — I could give you an example or you could just Google ‘Karen’ and save me the trouble — I often joke to my white friends that they have to collect their people.

    I’m sure Ms. Know-It-All must constantly joke with her black friends to “collect their people” since the melanin-enriched are alway doing “something terrible” (like murder or mass shootings).

    Wish she would check her Brahmin privilege/arranged marriage/suttee culture out of North America by collecting all her fellow desis and lead them back to that giant dump halfway around the world. Especially the creepy, sycophantic fraud running Alphabet.

    I think the real and only reason the English colonized an insanely dysfunctional, filthy heap of trash like India was because its soldiers could get their uniforms and laundry cleaned for cheap.

  109. The elite doesn’t want to get rid of tests because they’re racist against Blacks; they want to get rid of them because they’re NOT racist against Koreans.

  110. @SafeNow
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/y7g6dKncO-I/sddefault.jpg

    This all started with Jonesy, the brilliant black sonar operator in The Hunt for Red October. Jonesy figured-out the secret of the Russian sub’s propulsion system, and patiently explained it to the dense white captain. Prior to this, a case for diversity as a strength could be made in other ways — courage to charge a hill, etc. But after Jonesy, the diversity strength was expanded to underscore intellectual, high-tech acumen.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    • Thanks: SafeNow
  111. @98 Inquiring Mind: In the original book, Jonesy was specifically described as a WHITE man. As far as I recall, all of the American submariners were White (the initial volume was published by the Pentagon and I bought it after reading a review in the Washingtonian magazine that same year). I never saw the movie; it is an intrinsically poor medium for translating novels and I’ve yet to see a one that matched the book.

  112. Nice essay. Sincerely. I wonder whether there will be any other media type that will take Murray’s latest as seriously as you, as seriously as it deserves? My guess is no.

    The standard media response will be pointing and shrieking, but I’ll be sure to watch if Tucker has Murray on. (OK. Little joke there.)

    One of my favorite quotations is from President Lee (courtesy of you): “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”

    Accordingly, the flood of Mexicans engineered by the Ruling Class will make the blacks irrelevant as a national political matter. Every cloud has a silver lining.

  113. @J.Ross
    @Paperback Writer

    What do you expect is the reason we are allowing China to take over (and create!) fortified islands in the South China Sea? Is there some clever plan here?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @That Would Be Telling

    No clue. Do you have any ideas?

    Happy Juneteenth.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Paperback Writer

    Maybe -- just maybe -- we're declining, and we're losing, and they're winning, maybe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  114. anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @prime noticer
    upon further review, who cares what Charles Murray has to say about anything. he's a Democrat who votes Democrat. he's strongly in favor of USA becoming a third world brazilian dump, and he's openly hostile to anybody trying to stop it. he votes for exactly the same things as this X person, and they're on the same team. "I'm on your side!" said the suburban home owner when the BLM mob came to his subdivision.

    Murray also supports complete leftist thought control of US universities, and opposes freedom of academic speech on college campuses. he strongly supports the protestors who interrupt his own speeches.

    he fashions himself as simply an observer of the decline, not at all as somebody advocating any policy recommendations to do anything about it. he's a Democrat in good standing with the Ruling Party. screw this guy.

    Replies: @anon

    Murray is basically checked out, he’s just phoning in a few more concerns that were sorta relevant 25 or more years ago.

    He should just retire to the beach. Perhaps in his mind, he already has?

  115. @Colin Wright
    @Desiderius

    'Glenn you’re on one of the top five or so men of the age but you’re still a Boomer. The power is global, man. It doesn’t stop at the water’s edge, a good bit of it starts there. Whites aren’t a majority there not close and the first derivative is even worse for everyone but people who look – but absolutely do NOT think – like you man...

    ? Cockroaches totally outnumber people most places. Does that signify something?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    You think unchecked cockroach growth wouldn’t be a problem? You couldn’t have picked a better animal to make my point.

    Do you know what a first derivative is? Are you familiar with Steve’s world pop growth graph? What’s your Occam’s Razor take on that?

    For people who can’t even keep an election from being stolen right from under your noses y’all seem awfully impressed with yourselves. Rest of us see better than we hear and we ain’t seen much.

    Join or die.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Desiderius

    Join or die.

    Join what?

    Replies: @Desiderius

  116. @J.Ross
    @Paperback Writer

    What do you expect is the reason we are allowing China to take over (and create!) fortified islands in the South China Sea? Is there some clever plan here?

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @That Would Be Telling

    What do you expect is the reason we are allowing China to take over (and create!) fortified islands in the South China Sea? Is there some clever plan here?

    How well did that approach work for Imperial Japan in WWII??

    People claim that carriers are sitting ducks in a future peer war while ignoring a bunch of details like how they first have to be found, although they’re certainly vulnerable as are all surface assets. And just what is an island which by definition doesn’t move in real time?

    • Replies: @anon
    @That Would Be Telling

    Good to see you back.

    Got any news about SARS-2 spike proteins to share with the rest of us?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @J.Ross
    @That Would Be Telling

    Dude, I sing Eternal Father every time I imbibe, Joseph Robinette Biden's strategy for dealing with Putin was to give him a list of most vulnerable sites and, beg, please, dude, dude, and, in conclusion, dude. I'm not making that up, that was his actual plan.
    Learn Mandarin.
    Dude.

    , @Joe Stalin
    @That Would Be Telling

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui8sBMA3VGM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHqeSep8AHM

  117. @Desiderius
    @Colin Wright

    You think unchecked cockroach growth wouldn't be a problem? You couldn't have picked a better animal to make my point.

    Do you know what a first derivative is? Are you familiar with Steve's world pop growth graph? What's your Occam's Razor take on that?

    For people who can't even keep an election from being stolen right from under your noses y'all seem awfully impressed with yourselves. Rest of us see better than we hear and we ain't seen much.

    Join or die.

    Replies: @anon

    Join or die.

    Join what?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @anon

    Whatcha got?

  118. @That Would Be Telling
    @J.Ross


    What do you expect is the reason we are allowing China to take over (and create!) fortified islands in the South China Sea? Is there some clever plan here?
     
    How well did that approach work for Imperial Japan in WWII??

    People claim that carriers are sitting ducks in a future peer war while ignoring a bunch of details like how they first have to be found, although they're certainly vulnerable as are all surface assets. And just what is an island which by definition doesn't move in real time?

    Replies: @anon, @J.Ross, @Joe Stalin

    Good to see you back.

    Got any news about SARS-2 spike proteins to share with the rest of us?

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @anon


    Got any news about SARS-2 spike proteins to share with the rest of us?
     
    Not news, just remember as you analyze reports that they come in three varieties, wild type (WT) as used by (AZ/)Oxford's strong women and maybe Sputnik V, 2P stabilized ones, and Janssen's which added an additional "twist tie" or two. Stabalized might/probably? have an affinity to reversibly? bind to ACE2 receptors, but they can't then engulf them and completely take them out as the complex is absorbed by a cell. Also remember the toxicologist's maxim "the dose makes the poison," mRNA vaccines can't make them for very long, that's strictly regulated by how many adenosine (A) molecules are at the end of an mRNA strand. I don't know about adenovirus vector ones, where I'd expect their DNA to continue to pump out more mRNA strands coding for the spike protein.

    There's also a hypothesis that the almost as new as mRNA technology used in the adenovirus vector vaccines is causing problems by not always? accurate transcription of the DNA coding for the spike protein into the mRNA that's required for them to then make spike proteins. As far as I can tell from Russia not mentioning any vaccines previously using this technology, the farthest they got was a Phase III trial for the first jab of Janssen's Ebola vaccine. Phase III trials will never find very rare events as "signal" vs. "noise" as signal theory uses those terms. For example, one person in Janssen's large trial of ~23,000 people who got the vaccine did get that blood clots draining your brain severe adverse event, but it was only until Phase IV "post-marketing" that enough cases of this happened when it was given to millions of people that it could be discovered that wasn't happenstance.

    I've largely stopped following this, the magnet thing was an insanity too far and falsifiable, tested on myself, I got my Pfizer/BioNTech jabs and am now out of the month and a half danger zone for severe adverse effects following the last jab. For what little time I spend on this I'm focusing on variants, the "Delta" B.1.167.2 one from India is the main one of concern, highly transmissible and a partial immune system escape, and is circulating in my area. While I'm probably well protected you still don't want to chance getting it, so now I'm venturing out with a good 3M N95 industrial (no splash resistance) respirator, now available for reasonable cost, I recommend Grainger in the US for a reliable source, and still following general asepsis procedures, which for my lifestyle is not an imposition.
  119. @Paperback Writer
    @J.Ross

    No clue. Do you have any ideas?

    Happy Juneteenth.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Maybe — just maybe — we’re declining, and we’re losing, and they’re winning, maybe.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @J.Ross

    We are declining. But, and I realize this might be too sophisticated for you to grasp, I'm wondering how quickly, where, and what the real world effects of this will be. The subject matter was the Navy and I'm guessing that the Navy is the one branch of the service where technology really is the deciding factor.

  120. @That Would Be Telling
    @J.Ross


    What do you expect is the reason we are allowing China to take over (and create!) fortified islands in the South China Sea? Is there some clever plan here?
     
    How well did that approach work for Imperial Japan in WWII??

    People claim that carriers are sitting ducks in a future peer war while ignoring a bunch of details like how they first have to be found, although they're certainly vulnerable as are all surface assets. And just what is an island which by definition doesn't move in real time?

    Replies: @anon, @J.Ross, @Joe Stalin

    Dude, I sing Eternal Father every time I imbibe, Joseph Robinette Biden’s strategy for dealing with Putin was to give him a list of most vulnerable sites and, beg, please, dude, dude, and, in conclusion, dude. I’m not making that up, that was his actual plan.
    Learn Mandarin.
    Dude.

  121. @That Would Be Telling
    @Paperback Writer


    My gut tells me that now, and for the foreseeable future, the US has such a qualitative edge over anyone else that all of this is just show. These ships are like self-driving trucks, but infinitely more sophisticated.
     
    The dead crew members of the USS Fitzgerald and John S. McCain would like a word with you, were that possible. In the former, a woman in the Combat Information Center responsible for reporting information to the bridge was simply not talking to the woman officer of the deck and vice versa.

    And you really should read the "Proud Legions" chapter of T.R. Fehrenbach's book This Kind of War. Might also want to talk to a nuclear submarine crewman or officer about how "self-driving" those are; that we've not yet lost one is about only positive thing I have to say about today's US Navy.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Paperback Writer, @Ralph L

  122. @That Would Be Telling
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "Hose-B" would still have Jose's fingerprints, in case he commits another crime serious enough for the authorities to care about. Although there's lots of anecdotal reports we don't care much about punishing a lot of series crimes by a lot of Hispanics.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    You have a point about the fingerprints, TWBT. Sure, they can ID him on both crimes and give him double probation, I dunno. I agree with your 2nd sentence. I wonder when I hear of illegal alien criminals who have committed multiple felonies and deported EACH TIME, coming back for more, of course, how can it all take place in a 5 or 10 year period.

    BTW, I’ve talked to pilots who fly for Swift Air. Swift Air, besides flying football/hockey/etc. team charters, has a handful of 737s that are configured as “Con Air”, flying the worst of the illegal alien criminals back down to their old abodes. They tell me that they have numerous “frequent fliers”. It’s all totally broken. Contrary to what Mr. Unz keeps telling us, a serious border barrier would indeed help in this one regard, if nothing else.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  123. res says:
    @Desiderius
    @International Jew

    That military beat Hitler.

    https://twitter.com/FrantizekPaul/status/1404109604125134849?s=20

    Maybe people who can't even defend themselves or run at the first sign of trouble aren't the best ones at protecting the country.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @International Jew, @anon, @res

    This 1983 Rand paper gives a much different impression.
    The Ethnic Factor in the Soviet Armed Forces
    https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2007/R2930.1.pdf

    No OCR so I can’t cut and paste, but pages 4-5 give a short take on “The World War II Experience.”

    They mention a policy change resulting in the decline of non-Slavs serving after 1943. Along with issues with some of the other groups not being loyal (e.g. serving with the Germans instead).

    That section is short and well worth a read. It gives some good perspective on “diversity is our strength.”

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @res

    Seems to be a good bit of controversy on this question (not sure I’d trust the MIC when it comes to the USSR about just about anything), likewise non-Slav is an awfully broad category. Many descendants of the Golden Horde consider themselves just as Russian as any Slav and who knows what loyalties Siberians had then.

    That’s a whole different kind of diversity.

    Replies: @res

  124. @John Johnson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    There’s no rule that Libertarians can’t also be race realists.

    No official rule but being a racial realist causes major problems for libertarians.

    Ayn Rand most likely figured this out which explains why she was so adamant against allowing for racial differences.

    If third world people create third world countries then most of the libertarian plan falls apart pretty quickly. In many ways it is one big exercise in race denial. Applying hard drugs and low taxes to the Congo will not turn it into France. Once you allow for that conclusion most of it is really just a load of horse manure.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Mr. Johnson, the commenter “onebornfree” gave you a pretty good answer already right there. I agree with him about Ann Rand too.. just not much of a fan here.

    Bringing up Haiti or Somalia, place with nothing buy anarchy, is a silly trick by those who hate to imagine freedom, oops, hate Lolbertarians. None of these places has anything approaching what the Founders of the US set up for a government. Of course, those black people in those countries wouldn’t even understand the principals our Founders put into writing and built a government around (“if we could keep it, Ma’am”).

    OTOH, you had a country full of white Christians, turned Communist for 70 years, who lived damn near as poorly as those people in Haiti and Somalia do. What was the deal there, Mr. Johnson? You had China go hard-core Communist for 40 years, killing dozens of millions, causing the people to lose most morals and all religion, until the market was let to operate for a while, changing the place to what we see now. No, it’s no Libertarian paradise by any means, as they’ve got Mao II* over there, but I really thought it was headed in a good direction 15 years back.

    Of course the people matter! Maybe the Reason-mag idiots don’t get that, but plenty of Libertarians do.

    .

    * Only this guy knows not to kill the economy of the country this time, so far …

  125. @res
    @Desiderius

    This 1983 Rand paper gives a much different impression.
    The Ethnic Factor in the Soviet Armed Forces
    https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/reports/2007/R2930.1.pdf

    No OCR so I can't cut and paste, but pages 4-5 give a short take on "The World War II Experience."

    They mention a policy change resulting in the decline of non-Slavs serving after 1943. Along with issues with some of the other groups not being loyal (e.g. serving with the Germans instead).

    That section is short and well worth a read. It gives some good perspective on "diversity is our strength."

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Seems to be a good bit of controversy on this question (not sure I’d trust the MIC when it comes to the USSR about just about anything), likewise non-Slav is an awfully broad category. Many descendants of the Golden Horde consider themselves just as Russian as any Slav and who knows what loyalties Siberians had then.

    That’s a whole different kind of diversity.

    • Replies: @res
    @Desiderius


    Seems to be a good bit of controversy on this question (not sure I’d trust the MIC when it comes to the USSR about just about anything)
     
    That's a worthwhile point. My sense is the MIC circa 1983 had much less skin in the "diversity is good" game than the person who made the tweet you linked. And MIC or not, IMO Rand report >> random person not providing references.

    That said, do you know of any good references saying something different? Perhaps worth noting the comment on page 1 of the report about lack of information other than propaganda. And recall that treatment of minorities (blacks) was a club the Soviet Union liked to beat the US with.

    likewise non-Slav is an awfully broad category. Many descendants of the Golden Horde consider themselves just as Russian as any Slav and who knows what loyalties Siberians had then.
     
    non-Slav IS awfully broad, but I think that just makes clear how strictly the Russians were limiting recruitment. Given that they were in a struggle to the death and IIRC fairly desperate for troops that says something. Though perhaps that was less true after 1943?

    Replies: @anon, @Desiderius

  126. @Seneca44
    @Bubba

    Guys like Nimitz and Halsey who wanted to fight and win are long gone and won't be returning. Today's top brass in all US military branches would be more comfortable in a woke boardroom than any battlefield. Hope for continued peace won't prevent the barbarians from appearing at our gates and they won't be repelled by a politically correct but frail US military.

    Replies: @Bubba

    I remember watching Admiral Nimitz’ daughter, Sr. Mary Aquinas, on the History channel describing in very good detail about the pettiness, nonsense and childish games that her father’s enemies played in the Navy during WWII.

    She was a phenomenal person, extremely bright and very interesting. She converted to Catholicism (the Nimitz household was non-religious) while in high school and then earned a bachelor’s degree in biological sciences from Stanford, became a Dominican nun, got a master’s in zoology from UC Berkeley and then a PhD in biological sciences from Stanford. And she had great stories to tell about her father too.

    • Thanks: JMcG
    • Replies: @res
    @Bubba

    Interesting. Thanks. Do you have any more information that would help me track that episode down? I was unable to find it searching around on history.com

    Replies: @Bubba

  127. @J.Ross
    @Paperback Writer

    Maybe -- just maybe -- we're declining, and we're losing, and they're winning, maybe.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    We are declining. But, and I realize this might be too sophisticated for you to grasp, I’m wondering how quickly, where, and what the real world effects of this will be. The subject matter was the Navy and I’m guessing that the Navy is the one branch of the service where technology really is the deciding factor.

  128. @Farenheit
    @Paperback Writer

    I always get the feelz that commenters here are waiting for, and would welcome, a military defeat. Russia or China, doesn’t matter–woke military gets a KERPOW!!!–in the kisser.

    Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya...which one of these was a victory again??

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @JMcG

    Geezus.

    The stupidity here sometimes gets overwhelming.

  129. @John Johnson
    @Spud Boy

    The problem is that blacks have been coddled and conditioned to think that 90-IQ jobs are beneath them, plus many of these jobs pay barely more than welfare, so why bother?

    To fix the problem, end welfare, and start treating blacks like they have agency.

    Black men don't get welfare. It's the women that work the system.

    There is a bigger problem with Democrat employers in Democrat cities purposely hiring illegals over Blacks.

    I have seen it first hand. They want Guatemalans that work 12 hours a day and don't say anything about being paid in cash.

    Replies: @Spud Boy

    “Black men don’t get welfare. It’s the women that work the system.”

    If you ended welfare, perhaps black women would make their men stick around to help raise the kids.

    I’m not denying your point about illegals. It’s a good one that I had not considered. Cheers.

  130. @anon
    @Desiderius

    Join or die.

    Join what?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Whatcha got?

  131. @Bubba

    ‘We are not weak, we are strong,’ he said, adding ‘our strength is in our diversity’
     
    Our U.S. military top brass like Admiral Gilday have learned nothing and forgotten nothing since the Fort Hood massacre. Gilday is still mindlessly aping the retired idiot General Casey's tripe.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Reg Cæsar, @Seneca44, @George True

    You are perhaps familiar with this quote:

    “It is impossible to convince a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

    • Thanks: Bubba
  132. res says:
    @Desiderius
    @res

    Seems to be a good bit of controversy on this question (not sure I’d trust the MIC when it comes to the USSR about just about anything), likewise non-Slav is an awfully broad category. Many descendants of the Golden Horde consider themselves just as Russian as any Slav and who knows what loyalties Siberians had then.

    That’s a whole different kind of diversity.

    Replies: @res

    Seems to be a good bit of controversy on this question (not sure I’d trust the MIC when it comes to the USSR about just about anything)

    That’s a worthwhile point. My sense is the MIC circa 1983 had much less skin in the “diversity is good” game than the person who made the tweet you linked. And MIC or not, IMO Rand report >> random person not providing references.

    That said, do you know of any good references saying something different? Perhaps worth noting the comment on page 1 of the report about lack of information other than propaganda. And recall that treatment of minorities (blacks) was a club the Soviet Union liked to beat the US with.

    likewise non-Slav is an awfully broad category. Many descendants of the Golden Horde consider themselves just as Russian as any Slav and who knows what loyalties Siberians had then.

    non-Slav IS awfully broad, but I think that just makes clear how strictly the Russians were limiting recruitment. Given that they were in a struggle to the death and IIRC fairly desperate for troops that says something. Though perhaps that was less true after 1943?

    • Replies: @anon
    @res

    The Siberians were extremely loyal to the USSR, as demonstrated by their use as troops around Moscow in the 1941 counteroffensive(s). Once Richard Sorge had made it clear that the Empire of Japan would not start a war in Manchuria, the Soviets were free to transfer substantial numbers of troops from the far East to the European front. Some of those units rolled out of railroad cars into an ongoing battle, and did not break.

    The East Asian phenotypes have been spread across Eurasia for a really long time. I once knew a woman who originated in the region between Moscow and St. Petersburg, i.e. part of "European Russia". She had a distinct epicanthic fold to her extremely dark brown eyes, and a skin tone that was closer to northern Chinese than anything European. I also knew a woman from one of the Stans who was petite, pale, with blue eyes, for that matter. None of this should be debated, it's empirically observable.

    tl;dr
    One cannot actually learn much history directly from Jack Dorsey's gossip machine, however entertaining it may be to the easily entertained people of minimal knowledge.

    , @Desiderius
    @res

    They very much had skin in the "we're not racist you are" game however. That's how we ended up with the obsolete diversity is our strength doctrine still being mandatory among the brass as was seen recently before Congress.

    Silver lining maybe it finally breaks up blind R devotion to MIC. They need it badly.

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1405902744154640386?s=20

  133. @Bubba
    @Seneca44

    I remember watching Admiral Nimitz' daughter, Sr. Mary Aquinas, on the History channel describing in very good detail about the pettiness, nonsense and childish games that her father's enemies played in the Navy during WWII.

    She was a phenomenal person, extremely bright and very interesting. She converted to Catholicism (the Nimitz household was non-religious) while in high school and then earned a bachelor's degree in biological sciences from Stanford, became a Dominican nun, got a master's in zoology from UC Berkeley and then a PhD in biological sciences from Stanford. And she had great stories to tell about her father too.

    Replies: @res

    Interesting. Thanks. Do you have any more information that would help me track that episode down? I was unable to find it searching around on history.com

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @res

    You'll have to forgive me for some faulty information since I remember seeing this almost 20 years ago. But at the time if you watched the History Channel you almost certainly watched FoxNews so that's how I mixed it up.

    It was on "War Stories with Oliver North - The Battle of Midway" (Season 2; Episode 3).

    The episode began with how the Navy Department in Washington, DC made Admiral Kimmel a scapegoat for Pearl Harbor. Sr. Mary Aquinas is on the program several times in the beginning and also towards the end. I remember being quite surprised at her total honesty concerning her father's political troubles within the Navy before and during WWII.

    As a side note - her brother Chester, who had followed in his father's footsteps with a long career in the U.S. Navy, was a proud atheist who committed suicide along with his wife just a few months before the airing of this show.

    Replies: @res

  134. @anon
    @That Would Be Telling

    Good to see you back.

    Got any news about SARS-2 spike proteins to share with the rest of us?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Got any news about SARS-2 spike proteins to share with the rest of us?

    Not news, just remember as you analyze reports that they come in three varieties, wild type (WT) as used by (AZ/)Oxford’s strong women and maybe Sputnik V, 2P stabilized ones, and Janssen’s which added an additional “twist tie” or two. Stabalized might/probably? have an affinity to reversibly? bind to ACE2 receptors, but they can’t then engulf them and completely take them out as the complex is absorbed by a cell. Also remember the toxicologist’s maxim “the dose makes the poison,” mRNA vaccines can’t make them for very long, that’s strictly regulated by how many adenosine (A) molecules are at the end of an mRNA strand. I don’t know about adenovirus vector ones, where I’d expect their DNA to continue to pump out more mRNA strands coding for the spike protein.

    There’s also a hypothesis that the almost as new as mRNA technology used in the adenovirus vector vaccines is causing problems by not always? accurate transcription of the DNA coding for the spike protein into the mRNA that’s required for them to then make spike proteins. As far as I can tell from Russia not mentioning any vaccines previously using this technology, the farthest they got was a Phase III trial for the first jab of Janssen’s Ebola vaccine. Phase III trials will never find very rare events as “signal” vs. “noise” as signal theory uses those terms. For example, one person in Janssen’s large trial of ~23,000 people who got the vaccine did get that blood clots draining your brain severe adverse event, but it was only until Phase IV “post-marketing” that enough cases of this happened when it was given to millions of people that it could be discovered that wasn’t happenstance.

    I’ve largely stopped following this, the magnet thing was an insanity too far and falsifiable, tested on myself, I got my Pfizer/BioNTech jabs and am now out of the month and a half danger zone for severe adverse effects following the last jab. For what little time I spend on this I’m focusing on variants, the “Delta” B.1.167.2 one from India is the main one of concern, highly transmissible and a partial immune system escape, and is circulating in my area. While I’m probably well protected you still don’t want to chance getting it, so now I’m venturing out with a good 3M N95 industrial (no splash resistance) respirator, now available for reasonable cost, I recommend Grainger in the US for a reliable source, and still following general asepsis procedures, which for my lifestyle is not an imposition.

  135. @That Would Be Telling
    @J.Ross


    What do you expect is the reason we are allowing China to take over (and create!) fortified islands in the South China Sea? Is there some clever plan here?
     
    How well did that approach work for Imperial Japan in WWII??

    People claim that carriers are sitting ducks in a future peer war while ignoring a bunch of details like how they first have to be found, although they're certainly vulnerable as are all surface assets. And just what is an island which by definition doesn't move in real time?

    Replies: @anon, @J.Ross, @Joe Stalin

  136. anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    On the Hispanic crime rate, as I wrote under a previous post, I'd be curious as to what the Unz proprietor thinks of this info. from Mr. Murray's book. His analysis, as I recall, was from data from State prisons as to the race/ethnicity of inmates, using names to to break out* the Hispanics for situations in which they are otherwise combined with White people.

    Here's one problem I see, as I wrote to him in a comment or two long ago: Americans and illegal Hispanics operate under effectively two separate systems of "justice". One could say that about employment rules and other areas too, BTW, as it's simply lots easier to get away with stuff when you can't be positively identified.

    What happened? Crashed into a family of four at an intersection with a blood alcohol level of 0.30%? Got arrested? No problem if you make bail. You go back south to old Mexico. Next work season, you come back, but you are no longer Jose. You are now Hose-B, with a different fake driver's license, and different made-up dependents to put on your tax forms to get Earned Income Credit at H&R Block.

    So the arrest records will show different proportions of Hispanics than the numbers from State pens. I do note that the "Most Wanted" posters show an awful lot of Hispanics. They look like they could have been lifted off a courthouse wall in Bolivia, with the 2 token "Banditos Yanquis" at the bottom.

    .


    * No, not to break them out of prison, but to break out the data.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @anonymous

    Despite Ron Unz’s declaration that, in the US, hispanics don’t commit more crime than whites, he’s never come up with an explanation why Latin America is so crime ridden. And totally ignored Puerto Rico. As the US becomes more hispanicized and prevents assimilation, they will revert to their mean. And not only a lot more crime but even more corruption and dysfunction than we currently have. Puerto Rico is our future. Money skimmed off by sleazebags and nothing gets done. Asia might be corrupt, too, but they do get things done while they’re skimming the money. Same with Daly’s Chicago but those days are gone.

    The nonsense over AOC’s aunt in PR is just one example. AOC was gaslighting us that her aunt’s home was in terrible condition because of Trump, her aunt claimed it was because of the local govt. The latter is the correct choice. Even the Economist labeled PR “Welfare Island” and described the corruption.

    https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-aocs-aunt-debunks-claim-that-trump-was-to-blame-for-her-abuelas-horrid-living-conditions

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  137. anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @res
    @Desiderius


    Seems to be a good bit of controversy on this question (not sure I’d trust the MIC when it comes to the USSR about just about anything)
     
    That's a worthwhile point. My sense is the MIC circa 1983 had much less skin in the "diversity is good" game than the person who made the tweet you linked. And MIC or not, IMO Rand report >> random person not providing references.

    That said, do you know of any good references saying something different? Perhaps worth noting the comment on page 1 of the report about lack of information other than propaganda. And recall that treatment of minorities (blacks) was a club the Soviet Union liked to beat the US with.

    likewise non-Slav is an awfully broad category. Many descendants of the Golden Horde consider themselves just as Russian as any Slav and who knows what loyalties Siberians had then.
     
    non-Slav IS awfully broad, but I think that just makes clear how strictly the Russians were limiting recruitment. Given that they were in a struggle to the death and IIRC fairly desperate for troops that says something. Though perhaps that was less true after 1943?

    Replies: @anon, @Desiderius

    The Siberians were extremely loyal to the USSR, as demonstrated by their use as troops around Moscow in the 1941 counteroffensive(s). Once Richard Sorge had made it clear that the Empire of Japan would not start a war in Manchuria, the Soviets were free to transfer substantial numbers of troops from the far East to the European front. Some of those units rolled out of railroad cars into an ongoing battle, and did not break.

    The East Asian phenotypes have been spread across Eurasia for a really long time. I once knew a woman who originated in the region between Moscow and St. Petersburg, i.e. part of “European Russia”. She had a distinct epicanthic fold to her extremely dark brown eyes, and a skin tone that was closer to northern Chinese than anything European. I also knew a woman from one of the Stans who was petite, pale, with blue eyes, for that matter. None of this should be debated, it’s empirically observable.

    tl;dr
    One cannot actually learn much history directly from Jack Dorsey’s gossip machine, however entertaining it may be to the easily entertained people of minimal knowledge.

  138. @res
    @Desiderius


    Seems to be a good bit of controversy on this question (not sure I’d trust the MIC when it comes to the USSR about just about anything)
     
    That's a worthwhile point. My sense is the MIC circa 1983 had much less skin in the "diversity is good" game than the person who made the tweet you linked. And MIC or not, IMO Rand report >> random person not providing references.

    That said, do you know of any good references saying something different? Perhaps worth noting the comment on page 1 of the report about lack of information other than propaganda. And recall that treatment of minorities (blacks) was a club the Soviet Union liked to beat the US with.

    likewise non-Slav is an awfully broad category. Many descendants of the Golden Horde consider themselves just as Russian as any Slav and who knows what loyalties Siberians had then.
     
    non-Slav IS awfully broad, but I think that just makes clear how strictly the Russians were limiting recruitment. Given that they were in a struggle to the death and IIRC fairly desperate for troops that says something. Though perhaps that was less true after 1943?

    Replies: @anon, @Desiderius

    They very much had skin in the “we’re not racist you are” game however. That’s how we ended up with the obsolete diversity is our strength doctrine still being mandatory among the brass as was seen recently before Congress.

    Silver lining maybe it finally breaks up blind R devotion to MIC. They need it badly.

  139. @res
    @Bubba

    Interesting. Thanks. Do you have any more information that would help me track that episode down? I was unable to find it searching around on history.com

    Replies: @Bubba

    You’ll have to forgive me for some faulty information since I remember seeing this almost 20 years ago. But at the time if you watched the History Channel you almost certainly watched FoxNews so that’s how I mixed it up.

    It was on “War Stories with Oliver North – The Battle of Midway” (Season 2; Episode 3).

    The episode began with how the Navy Department in Washington, DC made Admiral Kimmel a scapegoat for Pearl Harbor. Sr. Mary Aquinas is on the program several times in the beginning and also towards the end. I remember being quite surprised at her total honesty concerning her father’s political troubles within the Navy before and during WWII.

    As a side note – her brother Chester, who had followed in his father’s footsteps with a long career in the U.S. Navy, was a proud atheist who committed suicide along with his wife just a few months before the airing of this show.

    • Replies: @res
    @Bubba


    It was on “War Stories with Oliver North – The Battle of Midway” (Season 2; Episode 3).
     
    Thanks! It looks that is available as video on DVD and Hulu.
    https://www.amazon.com/WAR-STORIES-OLIVER-NORTH-BATTLE/dp/B000YJH14A
    http://www.tv.com/shows/war-stories-with-oliver-north/watch/

    And as an audio podcast.
    https://radio.foxnews.com/2017/06/05/the-battle-of-midway/

    just a few months before the airing of this show.
     
    Any idea if the events were related? Did that happen after the recording of the show?
  140. @Farenheit
    @Paperback Writer

    I always get the feelz that commenters here are waiting for, and would welcome, a military defeat. Russia or China, doesn’t matter–woke military gets a KERPOW!!!–in the kisser.

    Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya...which one of these was a victory again??

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @JMcG

    You forgot Korea and Vietnam. Ever since Truman integr…

  141. I never said any of them was a victory, they just weren’t a kerpow! in the face loss.

    And please don’t blame our loss in Vietnam on blacks. The whole thing was a royal f’up from the get-go.

  142. res says:
    @Bubba
    @res

    You'll have to forgive me for some faulty information since I remember seeing this almost 20 years ago. But at the time if you watched the History Channel you almost certainly watched FoxNews so that's how I mixed it up.

    It was on "War Stories with Oliver North - The Battle of Midway" (Season 2; Episode 3).

    The episode began with how the Navy Department in Washington, DC made Admiral Kimmel a scapegoat for Pearl Harbor. Sr. Mary Aquinas is on the program several times in the beginning and also towards the end. I remember being quite surprised at her total honesty concerning her father's political troubles within the Navy before and during WWII.

    As a side note - her brother Chester, who had followed in his father's footsteps with a long career in the U.S. Navy, was a proud atheist who committed suicide along with his wife just a few months before the airing of this show.

    Replies: @res

    It was on “War Stories with Oliver North – The Battle of Midway” (Season 2; Episode 3).

    Thanks! It looks that is available as video on DVD and Hulu.

    http://www.tv.com/shows/war-stories-with-oliver-north/watch/

    And as an audio podcast.
    https://radio.foxnews.com/2017/06/05/the-battle-of-midway/

    just a few months before the airing of this show.

    Any idea if the events were related? Did that happen after the recording of the show?

  143. Thank you for that!

    I don’t think the 2 events were related after reading this from the NYT’s (with its Kevorkian-promoting headline). The dual suicide was reported to have been planned in advance due to age-related disabilities.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/12/us/with-suicide-an-admiral-keeps-command-until-the-end.html

  144. @tyrone
    @Ed

    The last senator to stand up to that kind of sh*t died july 4 2008.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    Figured it was him. You’re right.

  145. @John Johnson
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Soviet military in 1941 wasn't the same one that lost to the Finns.

    The Finnish loss is what gave Hitler over-confidence. In all fairness not a single military analyst at the time thought that the Soviets had a chance against the Germans. There were US military analysts that wrote about how they pitied the Soviets because they were about to get a massive thrashing.

    What happened is that Stalin had purged a bunch of his own officers and the military was inexperienced when they fought the winter war against Finland.

    But by 1941 they were far more prepared and Stalin had been secretly building up armor in the east. That is really what did the Germans in. You can hear Hitler talking about this in the secret recording of table talk. They didn't think it was possible for ANY country to build that many tanks.

    It wasn't a mongul horde but the Soviet military had more Asians than people realize.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    And “the Russian Bear.”

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