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On May 10, 2022, the CDC issued a new report on gun homicides and gun suicides in 2020. Not in 2021, which ended over 4 months ago, but in 2020, which ended over 16 months ago.

Still, 2020 was an important year, so I pulled up the CDC’s Wonder database and graphed the number of male 15-34 year old victims of gun homicides by race by month from 1999 to 2020. Why youngish males?

Unlike the FBI, which tries to count both victims and perpetrators of murders, the CDC records only victims of homicides. (But the CDC handles Hispanics much more adeptly than the FBI does.)

So one problem with the CDC’s demographics is it doesn’t tell you the demographics of the perps. But by focusing on victims in the lively sector — young men — you can get a pretty good sense of who is doing the shooting as well.

And it sure looks to me like America has a young black male shooting problem, both in general and especially during the current Racial Reckoning following George Floyd’s death. It would seem like the Establishment consensus that the biggest problem facing young black men was too much law and order has definitively been tested in the real world since 5/25/20.

But you won’t hear that from the CDC, at least not in those words.

Highlights from the CDC report:

Results: From 2019 to 2020, the overall firearm homicide rate increased 34.6%, from 4.6 to 6.1 per 100,000 persons.

The overall age-adjusted firearm suicide rate among persons aged ≥10 years remained nearly level between 2019 and 2020 (7.9 and 8.1 per 100,000 persons, respectively [relative change = 1.5%]) …

However, drug overdose deaths were up dramatically in 2020, likely due to drug dealers adding fentanyl to other recreational drugs to enhance the effects. (E.g., George Floyd might well have not known his meth had fentanyl in it. But nobody is supposed to ever be reminded of Floyd’s fentanyl ingestion, even though it might save a lot of lives.)

Young persons, males, and Black persons consistently have the highest firearm homicide rates, and these groups experienced the largest increases in 2020. These increases represent the widening of long-standing disparities in firearm homicide rates. For example, the firearm homicide rate among Black males aged 10–24 years was 20.6 times as high as the rate among White males of the same age in 2019, and this ratio increased to 21.6 in 2020. …

Gun homicide victimizations increased 39.5% among blacks from 2019 to 2020, 28.4% among non-Hispanic whites, 27.0% among American Indians, 25.8% among Hispanics, but fell 4.2% among Asians despite Trump uttering the genocidal words “China virus.”

The findings of this study underscore the importance of comprehensive strategies that can stop violence now and in the future by addressing factors that contribute to homicide and suicide, including the underlying economic, physical, and social inequities that drive racial and ethnic disparities in multiple health outcomes. For example, policies that enhance economic and household stability (e.g., temporary assistance to families, child care subsidies, tax credits, housing assistance, and livable wages) can reduce family poverty and other risk factors for homicide and suicide (e.g., family stress and substance use) (3,4,12–14). Communities can also implement locally driven approaches that address physical and social environments that contribute to violence and other inequities, with the potential for immediate benefits. Approaches such as enhancing and maintaining green spaces and the remediation of vacant buildings can reduce opportunities for violence and promote positive social interactions. These approaches have been associated with significant reductions in risk for firearm violence (13,15). For example, a study in a major U.S. city found that restoration of vacant lots (e.g., cleaning up debris or adding vegetation) was associated with significant reductions in firearm assaults, with the largest reduction (29%) in areas with the highest poverty (15).

Or, you know, we could go back to policing like on May 24, 2020 and try to get illegal handguns out of the pockets and glove compartments of criminals. That might have a more immediate effect than, say, enhancing and maintaining green spaces. Not that those aren’t good things to do, but when you find your hole is 34.6% deeper than last year, the first thing to do is to stop digging.

Here’s my graph focusing on 2014-2020.

You can see the Ferguson Effect take hold in 2015-2016, then the Pax Sessions of 2018 after the Justice Department stopped egging on criminals like the Obama Justice Department had during the Black Lives Matter era after Ferguson. But then black males started getting restless in 2019, and more so in the winter of 2020, then the doors blew off in June 2020 with murders peaking in July 2020 and remaining extraordinarily high for the rest of the year.

In contrast, the CDC and the press doesn’t want to report the CDC’s own numbers by month so they can blame the pandemic rather than focus attention on the racial reckoning.

 
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  1. G. Poulin says:

    Liberals believe that digging the hole deeper is the path to Paradise. They won’t stop digging, ever.

  2. Altai says:

    However, drug overdose deaths were up dramatically in 2020, likely due to drug dealers adding fentanyl to other recreational drugs to enhance the effects.

    I thought the idea was to make them addicted to ‘your stuff’ for reasons they don’t understand. Sure the meth fed your meth addiction but Jimmy’s meth just doesn’t do it because you don’t realise you’re also now addicted to fentanyl and Jimmy doesn’t add it to his.

    To me this seems the most likely reason because of how few celebrity or rich kid deaths we’ve seen from cocaine laced with fentanyl (One of the most fatal and easy to hide combo) despite how many poorer people seem to be dying from it. This implies that rather than demand for ‘enhanced’ cocaine, there is a premium to be had for not having any fentanyl in your cocaine. It seems like if people suspect it, that it’s really bad for business from people with options.

    The only example of kind of spillover was that party of, in some cases quite well off and semi-famous, LA comedians where a couple died. Maybe there were some cases of rich kids dying but it seems like a cluster of rich young people dying this way would make the news.

  3. Are these figures adjusted for population size? That would make a fairly big difference.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  4. Spud Boy says:

    “…For example, policies that enhance economic and household stability (e.g., temporary assistance to families, child care subsidies, tax credits, housing assistance, and livable wages) can reduce family poverty and other risk factors for homicide…”

    Yeah, let’s double down on stupid by paying women to birth the next generation of criminals.

    How about this idea: Every woman who gives birth must reveal the name of the father, who’s identity will be verified by DNA testing. If said father doesn’t want to hang around and raise his kid, he will be placed in a forced labor camp which will pay for supporting the little bastard.

    • Thanks: Charon
    • Replies: @SteeringWheelHolder
  5. I don’t think fent is intentionally added it most circumstances, it’s just that it is-as an industrial contaminant-extremely difficult to get rid of.

    Fent is lethal is shockingly small doses. Processed fent one day and cocaine a week later, using the same tools/surface? It’s note fent-Caine. The ppm threshold requires an industrial process not many drug dealers w GEDs can operationalize.

  6. Arclight says:

    The ‘root causes’ argument is always a cop out – there is a net transfer of wealth from white and Asian households to (mostly) black and Latinos ones every year thanks to our tax and social welfare policies that runs into the hundreds of billions, yet it never does any good. The gravitational pull of dysfunctional/indifferent parents, families and friends on kids is extremely difficult to overcome and one of the great unmentionables of our age is that blacks have more of this than anyone, and it’s not close.

    One of the things I observed from living in a majority black neighborhood/city for a protracted period of time is that there is a pretty big cultural divide in how proactive people are in trying to halt undesirable behavior by members of their household or neighborhood. Some of my neighbors might shake their heads at the behavior of their kids or others, but that was about it – they wouldn’t stop their kids from being able to roam around with their friends, and no matter what they saw other neighbors do they wouldn’t get involved or call the cops. There’s just a general passivity about the circumstances of life that was hard to understand.

    • Agree: Pop Warner, Kylie
    • Replies: @Technite78
    , @John Johnson
  7. usNthem says:

    I see “magic dirt theory” is also being invoked here, along with the usual poor old negro BS. More green spaces – cleaning up empty lots and re-vegetating them… Yeah. as soon as the joggers enter those green spaces, they’ll just pull up a seat and watch the butterflies. There isn’t a place or a scenario, where these moronic, impulsive and appliance bulb brain power fools won’t start blasting away. Oh, and it’s not keeping illegal firearms out of the pockets and glove compartments of criminals – it’s keeping firearms, period, out of the pockets and glove compartments of ALL negros.

  8. Thank you for this work, Steve. Because it’s numbers of victims, one wonders if the recent slight upticks of Hispanics and White people getting murdered via shootings is just due to the proximity they have to the bad, i.e., black, areas.

    Many Orientals in the big cities are in close proximity too, but they are just getting beat up is all. OK, that was written partially in jest, as, with all the publicity, I doubt the numbers are anything like those absolute shooting victim numbers in your 2 graphs.

    I especially liked your “…despite Trump uttering the genocidal words “China virus.”” remark! Anyone who believes that theory is a real sucker for mass media BS.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  9. About that one-paragraph-long mass jumble of “solutions”, I wonder if a computer did that. The software would just have to sort through a half century of leftwing claptrap and put the most common 20 phrases in.

  10. peterike says:

    For example, policies that enhance economic and household stability (e.g., temporary assistance to families, child care subsidies, tax credits, housing assistance, and livable wages) can reduce family poverty and other risk factors for homicide and suicide

    Gosh yes, CDC! It’s really about time we tried such things.

  11. … by addressing factors that contribute to homicide and suicide, including the underlying economic, physical, and social inequities that drive racial and ethnic disparities in multiple health outcomes.

    Any other factor of note?

    Our The super-state’s “Center for Disease Control” against biology.

    Sure, a bunch of Jewish minoritarian anti-scientists have conducted this long war against the common sense notion that genetics has anything to do with differences in behavior–backed up by their media/academic amen chorus. Eugenics is “discredited by the Nazis” or something.

    But back on planet earth …

    Heck it’s obvious even if you do not observe racial differences. It’s often obvious even amongst children of the same parents. Some clearly naturally more adept at “civilization” than others.

    In the before time, malnutrition, disease, even simply failing to find a quality marriage partner were continually grinding away at the unhealthy, the stupid, the lawless, the lazy, the spendthrift, the unpleasant. In the West at least, but probably in most civilizations, crafting better humans.

    The idea that you can toss up clean water, vaccines, antibiotics, the welfare state, plentiful cheap food, the Pill, feminism … and turn up your nose about considering the who/whom of baby production is just nuts. Nuts even without the utter insanity unleashed by our immigrationist loons.

    It takes foxes and coyotes, hawks and eagles to keep rabbits rabbity.

    If you do not have eugenics policies–much less can not even talk about genetics!–your population is going descend into lazy incompetence … until ultimately nature takes it’s course and the hawks and eagles show up.

  12. I’m looking at the fluctuations in those graphs, and it strikes me that what would be best–for both them and the rest of us–is if black males aged 15-34 were confined to polar regions.

  13. Thomas says:

    Or, you know, we could go back to policing like on May 24, 2020 and try to get illegal handguns out of the pockets and glove compartments of criminals. That might have a more immediate effect than, say, enhancing and maintaining green spaces. Not that those aren’t good things to do, but when you find your hole is 34.6% deeper than last year, the first thing to do is to stop digging.

    No, no we can’t go back, even if we wanted to. We won’t be going back for at least a generation. The word is out among cops and would-be cops (of which there aren’t many anymore) that proactive policing is hazardous to your career and possibly your freedom. That isn’t going to get fixed for a good long while. Elected officials from blue city mayors to Joe Biden can propose all they want, but those who would dispose mostly aren’t going to now.

    With an incentive structure that made officers feel they had little to gain and much to lose from taking the initiative on crime prevention, cops began a dramatic — and some would say resentful — pullback in enforcement. Patrol officers no longer drove or walked about looking for suspicious behaviour like someone climbing a fence but stayed put and responded after the fact. Mike Magan said that one of his colleagues got investigated and punished for responding to a call of shots fired without logging into his computer first. “It was like we were biting our own necks, and you began to see that a lot of these officers would go park their cars at certain location and not go out and patrol,” he says. “You could track the cars and you could see that these officers were parking in parking garages.”

    Kruse wanted to keep patrolling, even if it was in a more low-key way, but one day his supervisor advised him to avoid it. “I was told straight to my face: don’t leave the precinct unless you’re going to a call,” Kruse recalls. “He says: I’m looking out for you, still fresh in your career. I don’t want you to get in trouble for doing the right thing.” Kruse says a lot of his coworkers began to rely on an imaginary colleague they dubbed “Officer Time,” so named because most criminal behavior stops on its own after a while. “If it’s a shoplift, the building is going to close, or if it’s someone that’s just trespassing, they’re eventually going to leave,” says Kruse. “So just let them off and let Officer Time handle it.” Kruse quit in October of 2020. The following month, the city council voted to cut the budget of the department by 20%.

    For Mike Magan, the pullback in enforcement spread even to his fellow detectives, causing him to hit breaking point. “One of the robbery squads just decided they weren’t going to work anymore,” he says. “They wouldn’t leave the office, they wouldn’t help you on search warrants, they wouldn’t come out and conduct interviews with you. They wouldn’t come out and track video. It was heartbreaking.” Magan couldn’t stand it and decided to retire early. He had banked eight months of sick leave that he intended to exhaust prior to his official departure date, but his ordinary work hours ended after February of 2021.

    An exodus of officers led to a manpower shortage that prompted J.D. Smith to quit as well. As someone whose interactions with the public were mostly online at this point in his career, Smith was relatively cushioned from classic hazards of the job. The severe shortage of officers, however, made him certain that he’d be put back into uniform and on street patrol, which he believed spelled trouble for someone out of practice. “It’s tough even when you’re out there every day,” he says. “But you take somebody who has been off the streets for 10 years — they’re rusty.” Returning to the work of chasing down violent criminals in a time of hostile public scrutiny seemed untenable. Smith picked April Fool’s Day of 2021 as his date of retirement. “I had eight more years,” he says. “I needed to stay, financially, but I decided no, I’m going to quit.”

    https://unherd.com/2022/03/the-fall-of-seattle/

  14. @Achmed E. Newman

    Thank you for this work, Steve. Because it’s numbers of victims, one wonders if the recent slight upticks of Hispanics and White people getting murdered via shootings is just due to the proximity they have to the bad, i.e., black, areas.

    I’ve thought this effect is going on–except for the “just” part.

    I’m guessing, that inter-racial killings have spiked. It would be interesting to see some actual arrest data–assuming they are still arresting blacks for murder? and that local PD’s in blue cities are still reporting data to the FBI (doubtful).

    However, let’s stay grounded here. Inter-racial killings (blacks and whites)–very much unlike assaults, muggings, rapes–are relatively rare. Homicide is mostly personal (or drug business) beefs and most whites socialize mostly with other whites (and Asians and Hispanics depending upon location and class). I think there are a few hundred black on white killings in the US every year. We know about the really crazy gruesome stuff–ex. Knoxville–because it is relatively uncommon. Daily are the street assaults–some lethal–and break-ins and rapes.

    If we had an honest non-minoritarian government competently collecting all the crime reports, I believe we would find a pretty significant surge in black-on-white killing. But most of white uptick would still be white people either from losing it during lockdowns (inc. job loss) or during the racial reckoning when the cops dialed back enforcement.

    In my opinion, we white folks are pretty cool. But let’s be honest, we have our share of dirtbags. It’s just that–depending on how you set your “dirtbag” level–ours might be 5%, while the corresponding level of blacks would be 25%. (And, of course, the single mom’s have been growing the relative dirtbag share of whites.)

  15. @G. Poulin

    There is a very strong element of denial and wishful thinking embedded in liberalism.

  16. Back in January, 2020, I read and shared an article with friends that claimed that black Millennials on the younger side of that cohort were committing crimes and being incarcerated at a much lower rate than older black Millennials, black Gen X types, and younger black Boomers had/were. The article suggested it was due to the proactive policing and jailing policies of the 1990s and 2000s that had gradually removed the worst influences from those communities over a period of time that was long enough to have some kind of measurable effect. Haven’t been able to find that article again, and I suppose it’s moot because any progress made as of 2020 has been undone by the 2018 criminal justice “reform” and the defund the police movement.

  17. bwuce wee says:

    CDC gathers statistic on murders- well, bully for them! that in no way, shape, or form, authorizes or entitles the CDC to offer ‘solutions’. they did not do in depth further study to dtermine the motives for all the murders they enumerated. short and sweet: CDC stick to your statistics and stop talking shite about what you have no knowledge of! there are 2 reasons why black kids commit most murders no matter where on earth they are:
    1. bad parenting. these parents never taught their kids how to act, at home, at school, or in public. they did not teach them respect for themselves, for others, for other’s property, even for life itself.
    2. really bad education system. modern public schools peaked in the 1960s, and it has been a steady decline since then. schools coddle blacks, they do not socialize them, they certainly do not teach them the 3 Rs(!!!), but instead allow them to dispupt and destroy whatever miniscule atmosphere of learning, or appearance therefof, mught exist is any given classroom. short and sweet: american urban blacks are not socialized, and they revel in it like pigs in a wallow if sewage.

  18. Luke Lea says:

    from the NYT story on the CDC report:

    “More than half of gun deaths were suicides, however, and that number did not substantially increase from 2019 to 2020. The overall rise in gun deaths therefore was 15 percent in 2020, the C.D.C. said.”

    Unless blacks are now committing suicide in large numbers, that 50% of all gun deaths were suicides does not seem plausible. What percentage of white and Hispanic gun deaths are suicides?

    • Replies: @prosa123
  19. CDC reports murders. i think we found the CDC’s problem right there.

    worst example of extreme mission creep yet? it’s a contender.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  20. @Arclight

    One of the things I observed from living in a majority black neighborhood/city for a protracted period of time is that there is a pretty big cultural divide in how proactive people are in trying to halt undesirable behavior by members of their household or neighborhood. Some of my neighbors might shake their heads at the behavior of their kids or others, but that was about it – they wouldn’t stop their kids from being able to roam around with their friends, and no matter what they saw other neighbors do they wouldn’t get involved or call the cops. There’s just a general passivity about the circumstances of life that was hard to understand.

    Their answer to reducing the number of their fathers, sons, and brothers who are incarcerated is not to reduce the number of crimes committed, but to reduce the number of crimes prosecuted. Why? Because crime is essentially the economic engine of these areas… either through theft, fraud, embezzlement, drug sales, prostitution, etc. The predominant source of legal income, government employment, is not negatively affected by crime (and in fact may be increased through social welfare programs intended to reduce crime).

  21. @Arclight

    Yes both liberals and conservatives want us to believe that the neighbors are all innocent and yet in Chicago it is shotspotter that has called in shootouts that not a single person called in.

    Most Blacks believe in “dey business” meaning that is someone else’s business even if bullets are flying around the neighborhood.

    If someone is shot over \$10 they really have the attitude of should have paid that nigga 10 dollas then.

    You just don’t see this on TV because the liberal media only gives controlled slices of Black areas. They are very selective about who they interview.

    • Replies: @Arclight
    , @James Speaks
  22. Segregation anybody?

  23. Arclight says:
    @John Johnson

    Yes – blacks will tolerate unbelievable levels of misbehavior and dysfunction even if it negatively impacts their lives and property values so long as its other blacks doing it. If there is a violent incident in which the perpetrator is white and the alleged victim is black however, the usual cast of grifters will be out in force.

    One of the problems in our society at the moment is that blacks are far and away the most dependent on other people’s resources but don’t believe they owe those paying the freight any accountability or modifications in their habits or values. The white overclass agrees with this, but middle class whites and most Hispanics do not, and at some point we are going to reach a tipping point at which it’s acceptable again to say that the rest of us are tired of steering money and political capital towards a group that refuses to hold up their obligations to the rest of society while expecting a blank check.

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @bwuce wee
    , @James Speaks
  24. Speaking of racial reckonings, according to NPR’s Radiolab, the racialized revolution in College Debate that began in 2013 and likely facilitated the collapse in logical political discourse in the United States was a 20 year long project funded by George Soros.

    Here is the tour de force closing statement by Ryan Wash that won a National College Debate Championship and changed the game forever. Wash taps into what he calls “The Shawnday” the soulful essence that emanates from his loins.

    Today, Ryan Wash is a debate instructor at Weber State University in Utah where he teaches students that “space is not real”.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
  25. And it sure looks to me like America has a young black male shooting problem…

    Very good. Perhaps you can publish your findings in a leading criminology or law enforcement journal.

    The problem with these statistics is that they don’t really break down by motive. I would imagine that leading causes of gun related homicides would be:

    1. Gang violence and organized crime. 2. Domestic violence. 3. Small scale crime and robberies and muggings gone wrong. 4. Anger management issues between young men fighting over girls. 5. Householders shooting burglars. 6. Accidental shootings when cleaning guns or making movies. 7. Shootings when loaded weapons are left within the reach of small children who do not realize that they are not toys. 8. Suicides.

    I have not researched for this post, but I seem to remember reading that the number of suicides is actually greater than the number of homicides in the US. Not sure if suicides count as homicides for the CDC, but you can guarantee that they do collect data on suicides.

    What would be really useful would be to know if there are significant increases or declines in these various categories, and if so where these are happening. Inner cities, suburbs, rural? Older declining cities or newer growing cities? West coast, Midwest, south, Florida, East coast, New England?

    I suppose it would also be interesting to know whether there is any difference in the gun homicide rates between states that go out of their way to make it easy to buy guns, and those that go out of their way to make it hard to buy guns.

    It should not be impossible to compile racial statistics on people who are convicted of homicide with guns.

    For example you can go online and study the database of all current Florida prisoners that shows mugshots and lists the reason for their conviction. It’s even helpfully tells you whether people are white black or Hispanic, although the classifications are not always accurate.

    I have spoken to African descent prisoners who are classified in the Florida corrections database as Hispanic. One of them kindly explained to me “it is so the prisons don’t look as if they have too many of us”.

  26. Tim says:

    I was listening to the break down of these numbers on NPR yesterday, and it was just amazing how absolutely adamant the CDC person aAND the NPR person were about not noticing the obvious.

    It was like, ‘whatever you do, don’t NOTICE anything.;’ The best part was when they explained that young, black men were the VICTIMS of murders the most.

    It was brilliant

  27. Why oh why is this even in the purview of the Centers for DISEASE Control?? Are we all going along with the leftist notion that firearms homicides are a public health issue?

  28. Alfa158 says:
    @James B. Shearer

    That graph does not, it shows absolute numbers and things are actually even worse than the graph would suggest. You have to go to the report Steve links to and look at Table 1 which also includes the homicide rates, in number of homicides per 100,000 people per year. The difference in murder rates for all ages by race are pretty much they same as they have always been, worldwide.
    For Whites it is around 2 per 100,000 per year. Asians suffer about half the murder rate as Whites, Hispanics about twice the rate as Whites, and Blacks about 13 times the rate as Whites.

    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
  29. Muggles says:
    @prosa123

    So if that is true, all the propaganda about “gun violence” or at least more than half is self directed.

    Absent firearms you’d be jumping off bridges, parking structures, taking pills, hanging yourself, etc.

    I have read that shooting oneself is mainly a male thing since women often don’t want to leave a mess behind making them look terrible. Guys, not so much.

    Japan has the highest suicide rate on Earth but very little private firearm ownership.

    Of course what people fear about “gun violence” is use by low IQ people committing crimes or being very heedless of consequences when holding lethal weapons.

    In the Houston area nearly all of the “children” deaths by firearms, or use by, come from non White families, often black. Who seem to have pistols laying around for L’il Rapper to wave around or show his 4 year old brother. Very sad.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  30. Alfa158 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Steve only put up the one graph. The report he links to does include the suicide data, and it also includes the homicide and suicide data broken down by some but not all of the variables you mention, including by region of the country, by age, and by level of urbanization.

  31. bwuce wee says:
    @Arclight

    i have commented on this before:
    1. there is no such thing as the ‘black community’. rather, there exist numerous separate black communities in any large urban area- black african, black haitian, black jamaican, black muslim for example. these communities are often at war with each other.
    2. if an ethnic group cannot assimilate into american society, but prefers to remain in their own culture apart from the community, then they exist under two conditions: PREDATOR OR PARASITE. they prey upon the community, or they milk it providing no benfit in return.

  32. @clifford brown

    Makes you realize the importance of our institutions when you see them so corrupted. Where do we begin to undo this? We now have a new generation of teachers, professors and students who are indoctrinated with contempt for rational argument and who don’t have the native intelligence or character to seek honest answers to honest questions. You can destroy Rome in a day, but it takes hundreds of years to rebuild it.
    I know this corruption is due to more than George Soros, but he has played a key role. What motivates him? Is he cynically corrupting our nation for financial gain? Does he hate gentiles? Is he just stupid?

  33. @AnotherDad

    is if black males aged 15-34 were confined to polar regions.

    What exactly do you have against Eskimos?

  34. @John Johnson

    Most Blacks believe in “dey business”

    This only applies to negro attitudes about other negroes. Whites are held to an impossible standard.

  35. @Arclight

    I think that tipping point will be more or less, but mostly more, decided when goodwhites are faced with the choice of worshipping negroes or having food on the table.

  36. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    The first chart shows that when Obama came into office, there was a slight downwards adjustment of black homicide victims, which held steady all through his 8 years in office, and which rose again when Trump came into office.

    The data for the Obama years looks fake, or at least ‘massaged,’ to make Obama look better.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  37. @Muggles

    So if that is true, all the propaganda about “gun violence” or at least more than half is self directed.

    Including suicide as part of “gun violence” is how they juice the stats.

    Then they can make dishonest statements like: Well the science shows that Red state Alaska actually has a higher gun violence rate than Illionois.

    This is not just in news reports. Social Science textbooks use these types of skewed stats to indoctrinate Whites into blaming guns. It’s all the guns you see! Only ignorant White racists would suggest a racial correlation. We follow The Science ™ and the data is in figure 1.

    It is amazing as to how well it works. Liberals really imagine Alaskan Trump voters shooting each other over drunken arguments about whose sister is getting banged first. Seriously this is how White liberals in the burbs think. Guns + rednecks or Guns + Blacks = violence. So ban guns to save the Blacks.

    Japan has the highest suicide rate on Earth but very little private firearm ownership.

    Yes and they will never mention that. I have brought that up with liberals and the general response is: Well yes but that is different. It’s Asia.

    • Thanks: Hangnail Hans
  38. @Jonathan Mason

    The problem with these statistics is that they don’t really break down by motive. I would imagine that leading causes of gun related homicides would be:

    1. Gang violence and organized crime.

    This hasn’t been true since the 90s.

    The MSM and Academic establishment don’t like to investigate the motive because it spoils the Hollywood myth of Blacks being marginalized from the mainstream economy and that the murders are mostly over drug territory. Basically the “new Italians” excuse.

    The most common reason today is a “beef” that escalated in social media. That was investigated in a report a while back and was completely ignored. The drug legalization forces also like to maintain the gang territory myth as a reason that all drugs should be legalized. Stop da violence by legalizing meth and pcp.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  39. J.Ross says:

    cleaning up vacant lots

    Tell me the answer is broken windows policing without using the sinister racist p-word.

  40. J.Ross says:
    @prosa123

    Hey, at least those suicides were wearing their masks and socially distancing! You can be One Less!

  41. kihowi says:
    @G. Poulin

    You can’t deny that it works.

  42. @Anon

    No, homicides went up during Obama’s last two years in office, the BLM era after Ferguson (8/14).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  43. @Spud Boy

    Have to go farther.

    — No more welfare. Period. No more classification of discrimination or disadvantage.

    — Eliminate bastardy by criminalizing it. Prison for both parties, and forced adoption overseas.

    And revert to automatic death penalty for use of a firearm in a crime. No appeal.

    Will take care of itself.

    But no one now nor in the future will care they murder each other

    • Replies: @Alden
  44. @G. Poulin

    Liberals [sic] believe that digging the hole deeper is the path to Paradise. They won’t stop digging, ever.

    We were better off when we assumed it was the path to China. No one was in any hurry to get there!

  45. @Steve Sailer

    Since when is homicide a disease? This is mission creep.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @J.Ross
  46. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, Best Buy employees aren’t playing no games with shoplifting loser man-child negroes.

    I guess the moral outrage stems from, “I work hard, and honestly for a living. If I can’t afford an IPhone 13 Pro, your pathetic ghetto ass certainly ain’t taking it for free!!”

  47. @Jonathan Mason

    ‘…The problem with these statistics is that they don’t really break down by motive. I would imagine that leading causes of gun related homicides would be…’

    Fairly obviously, the leading cause of gun related homicides would be blacks with guns.

    Around here, everyone is armed to the teeth: it’s really kind of absurd, since there is almost no serious crime. Moreover, the area is only 0.3% black.

    But we did once have a mass shooting. I went to check, and guess what? The shooter was a mulatto.

    So I checked for other shootings. We did have another one a couple of years back. I cracked up when I found the shooter. Guess what?

    Yep. To be fair, there was another shooting, down in the cheap motels on what used to be the main highway before the interstate went through — and the shooter was actually white.

    Well, when you’re only 0.3% of the population you can’t do all the killing.

    • Replies: @Yngvar
  48. @John Johnson

    I should have included rape-kidnapping homicides, school massacres, shootings by police, and infanticide as well, but your “beef” category seems like it is spread over several other categories.

    What is the ratio of black beef to white beef?

    Another important consideration is whether the murderer was a pure loner or whether he or she had confederates.

    Considering that Steve Sailer rates himself as a leading scientist and analyst of murder statistics, it is surprising how little we (the general population) know about the root causes of most homicides.

    Only by looking at the root causes can we really evolve legal strategies that would reduce homicides. Just having politicians saying that they are tough on crime does not get the job done.

    Perhaps we need to get Angela Lansbury back on the case.

  49. @Reg Cæsar

    It is a cause of death, and affects life expectancy statistics, so it is a public health issue. In particular, since 50% or more of shooting deaths involve suicide, it is also related to depression, which is considered to be a mental illness, and is also associated with other pathologies like alcoholism and substance abuse.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  50. @Jonathan Mason

    Does the CDC also report on home, auto and workplace injuries and fatalities?

    I really don’t know. If yes, your answer is valid.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  51. Alden says:
    @SteeringWheelHolder

    Exactly what countries do you have in mind to adopt black bastards with 80 IQs and a long line of criminal ancestors?

  52. @AnotherDad

    The ups and downs in the first graph makes it apparent that homicide is a favorite summertime pastime of black males aged 15-34.

  53. J.Ross says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Public health” was invented by an unelected bureaucrat (who affected the title of colonel) as a way to enable totalitarianism in the United States, during the progressive Wilson administration.

    • Replies: @Hangnail Hans
  54. @prime noticer

    CDC reports murders. i think we found the CDC’s problem right there.

    worst example of extreme mission creep yet?

    Maybe the Dollar Vigilante is on to something when he refers to it as, “The Criminal Death Corporation?”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  55. @The Wild Geese Howard

    The CDC reports deaths by 113 causes, of which homicides are one.

  56. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I should have included rape-kidnapping homicides, school massacres, shootings by police, and infanticide as well, but your “beef” category seems like it is spread over several other categories

    .

    Speaking of infanticide, why is it that the Jewish elite enjoy killing black babies so very much, and why haven’t black people picked up on it yet?

    Preaching to people that Black Lives Matter while standing on a towering pulpit of dead black babies seems to be contradictory to the average listener, imo.

  57. @Jonathan Mason

    “… Just having politicians saying that they are tough on crime does not get the job done.”

    It gets some of the job done. The general atmosphere matters. Politicians constantly excusing crime encourages crime.

  58. Arclight says:

    There are a couple of things going on here:

    One, obviously most of the US will do just about anything from shining a spotlight on black dysfunction, particularly violent crime. Social obligations in America are entirely a one-way street in which everyone else is expected to modify their behavior, expectations, and economic well being for their benefit, but nothing is required of blacks in return.

    Two, even their supposed champions consider 6,000-8,000 black murders a year as “normal.” Obviously, if whites were as enthusiastic about extreme violence to settle small stakes disputes, we’d have it prominently figured on every major media outlet’s website all of the time like the Covid death tracker. On the other hand, our overlords apparently don’t view the hugely lopsided black homicide rate as any kind of emergency.

  59. @Jonathan Mason

    Considering that Steve Sailer rates himself as a leading scientist and analyst of murder statistics, it is surprising how little we (the general population) know about the root causes of most homicides.

    Only by looking at the root causes can we really evolve legal strategies that would reduce homicides.

    Well, we do know the root causes of homicides. It’s genetics – low IQ, low impulse control, and low affective empathy, all caused by genetics. And the way to reduce homicides is to weed these assholes out of the gene pool with executions, long prison sentences, and/or deportation. This is in fact how England and northern Europeans reduced their homicide rates and tamed themselves. Time for blacks and Hispanics to undergo the same cure.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  60. @J.Ross

    It’s shocking how many nefarious activities got underway during the Wilson administration.

  61. @rebel yell

    Yes, England did export a lot of its criminals to the United States, and then, after the United States became independent, to Australia.

    Where should American criminals be deported to now? Rwanda, maybe, South Georgia, or Tierra del Fuego. Or if foreign countries won’t take them, maybe set up some penal colonies in Alaska.

    • Replies: @rebel yell
  62. @Jonathan Mason

    I suggest Ecuador. I hear there are enlightened Englishmen living there who will offer a spare room to deported murderers.

  63. Yngvar says:
    @Colin Wright

    Around here, everyone is armed to the teeth: it’s really kind of absurd, since there is almost no serious crime.

    Protected by the foxbutter field-effect.

  64. It has been said by mental health professionals and addiction specialists, the first step towards a cure is recognizing the ailment.

    We have many statistics showing high levels of all manner of crime among blacks in the United States. Recently, a concerned black citizen spoke out and called on his community to start calling the cops when there was a problem. He was threatened and, as the calls streamed in, the problem residents were being picked up by the police.

    Anti-social behavior ruins everyone’s lives. The idea you keep your mouth shut because the problem is a black never made any sense. The excuse the cops were racist and would hold it against the entire black population was always ridiculous.

    No one can fix the problem except those who are black. They have to let it be known they do not stand for the lawlessness. They have to make criminals a pariah, not local heroes.

  65. The unspoken plan supported by Democrat politicians in these areas was to cross-breed Blacks with Hispanics.

    That is partly why Democrats have been so adamant about keeping the border open. Democrat politicians in Black areas are well aware of race and have concluded that their best bet is to cross-breed Blacks while also boosting voter ranks. A win/win in their minds.

    They want South American style Blacks that have some Spanish/Portuguese blood. White liberals in the burbs want to rub culture off onto Blacks (civilization dust) but liberal politicians in the city aren’t that naive.

    One minor problem is that Hispanics are largely uninterested in the plans of meddling White liberals. I see more White women with Blacks than Hispanics and I rarely see Guatemalans with anyone but their own.

    I used to work with liberal White women in the city and not a single one of them had a Black husband or boyfriend. They might date a Black guy in college but once out they were only interested in White guys of a certain type. These were liberal White women that would actually complain about White men in power while dating them almost exclusively. Maybe a light Hispanic but I never saw them with a Black guy. This is the same type of liberal woman that helps administer Black areas. They fully support miscegenation but seem to expect someone else to do it.

    • Replies: @Dream
  66. CDC Finally Reports on Gun Homicides in 2020…
    … America has a young black male shooting problem,
    both in general and especially during the current Racial Reckoning
    following George Floyd’s death.

    Sadly, Negroes didn’t get the BLM memo.

  67. Dream says:
    @John Johnson

    They want South American style Blacks that have some Spanish/Portuguese blood. White liberals in the burbs want to rub culture off onto Blacks (civilization dust) but liberal politicians in the city aren’t that naive.

    Their plan doesn’t sound smart, South American blacks are more violent than American blacks( Haiti has relatively low homicide rates, however). Their culture seems to be even more degenerate.

    One minor problem is that Hispanics are largely uninterested in the plans of meddling White liberals. I see more White women with Blacks than Hispanics and I rarely see Guatemalans with anyone but their own.

    In absolute numbers or proportionately? People outside the white Western world dislike blacks and consider their appearance repulsive, so that’s not surprising. American born Hispanics may think differently, however.

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