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The open borders Cato Institute has a brilliant analogy for what would happen if America opened its borders: Israel’s experience when Ariel Sharon invited in lots of Russian Jews (and quasi-Jews):

Does Mass Immigration Destroy Institutions? 1990s Israel as a Natural Experiment

By Benjamin Powell, J. R. Clark, and Alex Nowrasteh
January 12, 2017

The relaxation of emigration restrictions in the Soviet Union and the State’s subsequent collapse led to a large exogenous shock to Israel’s immigrant flows because Israel allows unrestricted immigration for world-wide Jews.

Who make up 0.2% of the world’s population. So another way of putting it would be that Israel does not allow much immigration for 99.8% of the people on Earth.

Israel’s population increased by 20 percent in the 1990s due to immigration from the former Soviet Union. These immigrants did not bring social capital that eroded the quality of Israel’s institutional environment. We find that economic institutions improved substantially over the decade. Our synthetic control methodology indicates that it is likely that the institutional improvement would not have occurred to the same degree without the mass migration. Our case study indicates that immigrant participation in the political process is the main mechanism through which the migration caused institutional change.

What happened? Well, Israel suddenly became really good at things like telecommunications software and hacking. And Tel Aviv real estate got very expensive. And Ariel Sharon got elected Prime Minister by the new voters he invited in. And the peace process went bye-bye. And Israel built a lot of fences on its borders to keep illegal infiltrators out. And a lot of the Russians/Israelis moved on to North Hollywood and got jobs as bodyguards for billionaires in the Hollywood Hills.

So this is a perfect guidepost for what would happen if America let in a lot more Mexicans and Muslims.

 
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  1. Israel allows unrestricted immigration for world-wide Jews.

    Unrestricted immigration for a specific ethno-religious group. That is a pretty big restriction.

    • Replies: @Daniil Adamov
    @Massimo Heitor

    Specific ethnic group, to be fair. (Or even groups - Sephardis are VERY different and distinct from the Ashkenazis, and that's not bringing in the Ethiopians, all of which were, in theory, equal.) A major feature was that there was no religious test and many of the Jews were only Jews by sometimes non-Galakha descent.

    Replies: @cucksworth

  2. Let’s see, two things are being compared/contrasted:

    Mass immigration of Jews/quasi-Jews to Israel (“The Jewish State”).

    Mass immigration of non-Europeans to a state (the USA) that has traditionally defined itself as being Anglo-European.

    I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that the latter is not equivalent to the former…..

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @syonredux

    I was going to write the same thing, Syonredux, with Steve's paragraph about these newcomers of the same culture bringing in their problems anyway notwithstanding.

    I don't know how these Cato guys passed the SAT's. You gotta be able to do those analogies. I wonder about another thing too: Libertarians can't be completely stupid, as they understand economics, which relates to human behavior, in the way that the Statists don't - how can they be so ignorant when it comes to other aspects of human behavior? Or, is it possible that some of the supposedly libertarian organizations have been infiltrated, or even blackmailed like the Sierra Club?

    Replies: @RonaldB, @guest

  3. Anonymous [AKA "Scotty Shoeshine"] says:

    Great job lately Steve. You’re doing God’s work.

    Now, where the hell is Svigor?

    • Agree: cucksworth
    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Anonymous

    Spending less time because the bug regarding the "view this thread" hasn't been fixed.

    I know I'm spending less time here on account of it.

    , @SFG
    @Anonymous

    I ran into him in a bar, but when I brushed into him we both disappeared in a burst of gamma rays, according to the survivors' accounts.

    Nonetheless, if I'm back to write this, maybe he is too. ;)

  4. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Always a struggle to figure out if these people are stupid or evil (yeah, they could be both). But that comparison is so amazingly obtuse and just plain stupid (you’d fail even a grade schooler who thought Russian Jews moving to a Jewish country was ANYTHING like Muslims moving to the US) that it’s hard to imagine it’s not malicious. Maybe it’s a bank shot and they secretly support strong borders and are trying to undermine the Cato crowd? Wish I could believe that.

    [not actually anonymous, always post as Polynices, but dumb system thinks my iPad isn’t me or something]

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Anon

    I don't know all the authors, but Nowrasteh is far out on the right tail of sperginess. Not malicious, just disturbed.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jack Hanson, @Lot

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Anon

    that comparison is so amazingly obtuse and just plain stupid

     

    The applicable word here is "chutzpah".
    , @ATX Hipster
    @Anon


    (you’d fail even a grade schooler who thought Russian Jews moving to a Jewish country was ANYTHING like Muslims moving to the US)
     
    Nah, you'd steer him towards a good prep school and then an Ivy so he could eventually assume his rightful place as one of our overlords. After all, it takes a special kind of intelligence to realize that your eyes are lying, and despite all evidence to the contrary all people are actually perfectly fungible.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anon

    Are you sure that you used the exact same name and email address, Polynices? I'm pretty sure it goes by those 2 - definitely not IP number, nor anything related to the specific computer or device. I have used and iPad on here too.

    , @Frau Katze
    @Anon

    Another bug that's not being fixed. If Ron Unz refuses to consider third party commenting systems, he NEEDS to maintain this home-grown system properly.

    AFAIK there is no way to even report bugs.

  5. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I think the most famous Israeli political figure from the former soviet union is avigdor liberman. Here is a sampling from his wikipedia page:

    4 Controversies

    4.1 Statements towards Arab members of Knesset
    4.2 Statements about Egypt
    4.3 Statements about Palestinians
    4.4 Conflict with Mossad
    4.5 Relationship to Vladimir Putin

    5 Investigations and allegations

    5.1 Corruption investigation and trial
    5.2 Conviction for assault

    So clearly soviet immigration has been great for israel’s institutions.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Anon

    According to Transparency International, Israel is ranked #28 on its corruption perceptions index, just above Poland and Portugal: https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016

    It's a credit to Israel's institutions that it ranks that high, given that a lot of its citizens come from corrupt places (Russia, MENA).

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner

  6. I’m going to pretend these authors experienced humiliation at having to publish such silliness in order to please their benefactors. Or, that they are having a grand old time trolling the hell out of everyone while actually receiving a paycheck for doing so.

    Because it’d be mighty depressing to think our philanthropist class (who financially supported this) and our officially sanctioned “experts” (who wrote & published it) are both retarded.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Welsh

    Not retarded. They just have to defend an indefensible position. Everybody knows the downside to mass immigration is bigger than the upside. However, these people need a argument and all the old ones have been used up and either debunked or laughed at.

    Remember we had the Japanese death spiral, the saving Social Security angle, the who will work in the old folks home, the list goes on.

    A long time ago I remember reading an article about how the unpopular ideas are pushed in the media such as gun control and NAFTA. The paid shills publish disparate articles based on sketchy "social science" or their supposedly well thought out opinions. However, they all have the same conclusion. The purpose of these articles to find a meme that works with the public. Once that is found the shills start producing articles advancing variations of that argument.

    Japan need immigrants because .......

    Replies: @wrd9

  7. @Anon
    Always a struggle to figure out if these people are stupid or evil (yeah, they could be both). But that comparison is so amazingly obtuse and just plain stupid (you'd fail even a grade schooler who thought Russian Jews moving to a Jewish country was ANYTHING like Muslims moving to the US) that it's hard to imagine it's not malicious. Maybe it's a bank shot and they secretly support strong borders and are trying to undermine the Cato crowd? Wish I could believe that.

    [not actually anonymous, always post as Polynices, but dumb system thinks my iPad isn't me or something]

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Hippopotamusdrome, @ATX Hipster, @Achmed E. Newman, @Frau Katze

    I don’t know all the authors, but Nowrasteh is far out on the right tail of sperginess. Not malicious, just disturbed.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @kaganovitch

    He seems rabidly anti-White, from what I have read of him. Hard to discount malice.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Massimo Heitor

    , @Jack Hanson
    @kaganovitch

    Nowrasteh is a nasty piece of work for a Jewish sperg.

    , @Lot
    @kaganovitch

    Nowrasteh is also likely too dumb to work as a non hack economist. The masters from LSE aounds impressive, but is actually an expensive nearly open admissions program.

    Replies: @dr kill

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Russian Jews did all that? Muslims just crash the gates so the rest can come in:

    Reza Aslan @rezaaslan
    38yrs ago my family fled Iran for US with nothing but some clothes. If anyone tries to close the door on #WorldRefugeeDay we’ll kick it down

    J Burton @JBurtonXP
    “Thanks for cooking me dinner tonight. By the way now you’re morally obligated to cook dinners for everyone in the entire world forever.”

    • LOL: Alec Leamas
  9. Cato who wanted to destroy the Semetic commercial empire of Carthage…. the only open borders he liked were the expanding Roman borders of conquest…

    • Replies: @guest
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    That was Cato the Elder. The Cato Institute is named after the pseudonymous "Cato" of the Cato Letters, I think, a series of political essays from 18th century Britain. That "Cato" was named after Cato the Younger, great-grandson of the Elder. He killed himself rather than submit to Caesar.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @BB753

  10. @Anon
    I think the most famous Israeli political figure from the former soviet union is avigdor liberman. Here is a sampling from his wikipedia page:

    4 Controversies

    4.1 Statements towards Arab members of Knesset
    4.2 Statements about Egypt
    4.3 Statements about Palestinians
    4.4 Conflict with Mossad
    4.5 Relationship to Vladimir Putin

    5 Investigations and allegations

    5.1 Corruption investigation and trial
    5.2 Conviction for assault
     

    So clearly soviet immigration has been great for israel's institutions.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    According to Transparency International, Israel is ranked #28 on its corruption perceptions index, just above Poland and Portugal: https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016

    It’s a credit to Israel’s institutions that it ranks that high, given that a lot of its citizens come from corrupt places (Russia, MENA).

    • Replies: @Samuel Skinner
    @Dave Pinsen

    Of course- why bribe people if you have no way of making sure they give you a good return?

  11. @Anon
    Always a struggle to figure out if these people are stupid or evil (yeah, they could be both). But that comparison is so amazingly obtuse and just plain stupid (you'd fail even a grade schooler who thought Russian Jews moving to a Jewish country was ANYTHING like Muslims moving to the US) that it's hard to imagine it's not malicious. Maybe it's a bank shot and they secretly support strong borders and are trying to undermine the Cato crowd? Wish I could believe that.

    [not actually anonymous, always post as Polynices, but dumb system thinks my iPad isn't me or something]

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Hippopotamusdrome, @ATX Hipster, @Achmed E. Newman, @Frau Katze

    that comparison is so amazingly obtuse and just plain stupid

    The applicable word here is “chutzpah”.

  12. “Our synthetic control methodology indicates that it is likely that the institutional improvement would not have occurred to the same degree without the mass migration.”

    Oh well, check them out. All scientific! I guess that proves mass immigration is ipso facto good. No more discussion plebes.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @asdf

    I also especially enjoy the phrase 'synthetic control methodology'. English is a great language, isn't it? The hockey stick / climate change crowd would do well to use synthetic control methodology instead of computer modelling. It sounds so much more scientific.
    I can't believe I used to read everything CATO. Is there anything remaining that's not been converged?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  13. @kaganovitch
    @Anon

    I don't know all the authors, but Nowrasteh is far out on the right tail of sperginess. Not malicious, just disturbed.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jack Hanson, @Lot

    He seems rabidly anti-White, from what I have read of him. Hard to discount malice.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Opinionator

    The old saying goes:

    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity".

    I'm beginning to think it ought properly to be reversed.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @Massimo Heitor
    @Opinionator


    He seems rabidly anti-White, from what I have read of him. Hard to discount malice.
     
    Alex Nowrasteh? He is white. His father is Persian, which IMO, is mostly white.

    Obviously, being white doesn't exclude being anti-white. Tons of people are completely white and are hardcore devoted to anti-white politics.

    The UN is more overtly anti-white and anti-west.

    Read Alex Nowrasteh's twitter bio:


    @CatoInstitute's immigration policy analyst. Globalist. Elitist. Enemy of the American People. Liberalized immigration will enrich the world. Opinions are mine.
     
    He also posts here: https://openborders.info/blog/author/anowrasteh/

    I find it telling that the Koch Brothers Cato Institute would staff such a radical open border advocate as their "immigration policy analyst".

    BTW, if you read the more mainline conservative National Review, they are far more immigration restrictionists. They seriously advocate deportations, genuine immigration enforcement, and obeying the will of the people. They praised all of Trump's immigration moves except when it didn't go far enough, like they criticize Trump for allowing DACA to continue. They praise everything about Trump's administration except they hate Trump's character and Trump himself for some reason I don't fully comprehend.

    Garett Jones is another great mainstream academic immigration skeptic. He is the GMU economist blogger which is quite popular in this circle. His main viewpoint is: in the short term, the culture makes the outcome for individuals. In the long term, the people make the culture. Pretty obvious, but that supports immigration skepticism.
  14. @Anon
    Always a struggle to figure out if these people are stupid or evil (yeah, they could be both). But that comparison is so amazingly obtuse and just plain stupid (you'd fail even a grade schooler who thought Russian Jews moving to a Jewish country was ANYTHING like Muslims moving to the US) that it's hard to imagine it's not malicious. Maybe it's a bank shot and they secretly support strong borders and are trying to undermine the Cato crowd? Wish I could believe that.

    [not actually anonymous, always post as Polynices, but dumb system thinks my iPad isn't me or something]

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Hippopotamusdrome, @ATX Hipster, @Achmed E. Newman, @Frau Katze

    (you’d fail even a grade schooler who thought Russian Jews moving to a Jewish country was ANYTHING like Muslims moving to the US)

    Nah, you’d steer him towards a good prep school and then an Ivy so he could eventually assume his rightful place as one of our overlords. After all, it takes a special kind of intelligence to realize that your eyes are lying, and despite all evidence to the contrary all people are actually perfectly fungible.

    • Agree: Frau Katze
  15. Among libertarians, the Cato Institute and equivalent state think tanks, such as Ohio’s Buckeye Institute, are thought of as Beltway captives and trimmers seeking patronage. Yes, read what they have to say, then step back and ask what a more robust, fully articulated libertarian position would read like.

    Hans-Hermann Hoppe and others have noted the obvious, that free market economics are not inconsistent with tight control of borders and immigration once you consider economic externalities and quantifiable “frictional costs”.

    I’ve already mentioned my view that America’s genuine successes may have come about despite mass immigration, not because of it.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Lot
    @JackOH

    Hoppe notes that every American citizen has a share of our limited public wealth, from the gold in Fort Knox to our B-2 bombers to the vast federal land holdings. Each additional immigrant dilutes existing citizens' shares of such wealth, and can only be justified if the value to society of the immigrant outweighs the dilution.

    And of course the liberties that Cato libertarians claim to care about can only exist in a society dominated by Western whites or NE Asians. There has never, ever, ever, in hundreds of states in all human history, been a truely free black or Muslim nation.

    , @Seamus Padraig
    @JackOH


    Hans-Hermann Hoppe and others have noted the obvious, that free market economics are not inconsistent with tight control of borders and immigration once you consider economic externalities and quantifiable “frictional costs”.
     
    Maybe, but expand your analysis of "economic externalities" to other areas in addition to immigration, and you'll begin to realize that libertarianism is inconsistent with the national interest generally.
    , @RonaldB
    @JackOH

    As I mentioned in my other comment, optimal price per unit is not the same as optimal happiness. A protected market, while totally antithetical to libertarian philosophy, may optimize happiness of the citizenry, if done correctly.

  16. Just image searched Benjamin Powell, J.R. Clark, and Alex Norasteh.

    As Vox Day and Heartist hath proclaimeth: physiognomy is real. 3 cuck-faced douchebags. Am so surprised . 3 faces that have never been in a fight, or around real ‘vibrancy’.

  17. > Israel does not invite much immigration for 99.8% of the people on Earth, but of those who of them who arrive in Israel, almost none are deported.

    fixed it for you, Steve

  18. I used to like the Cato institute and libertarianism before I had experienced mass immigration.

    I think all of the mass immigration must be promoted by a war profiteering cabal going long on small arms, ammunition and explosives manufacturers. It seems they want to have enough immigration to make the conclusion of the impending wars somewhat in doubt, to maximise the guns and ammo expenditure.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    @Anonym

    In the dream-world of libertarianism, the absence of welfare will ensure that those immigrants unable to support themselves will either leave or starve. The super-efficient private police service will nip any terror in the bud, and the privately-patrolled streets will be free of crime. Any criminal who does get through the super-efficient private police patrol will be shot by the always-armed private citizen when accosted.

    Thus, immigration of genetically-inferior, third-world criminals will hardly be a blip in the super-efficient, private-market, libertarian world.

  19. Steve i love your cynic sarcasm at tbis blatantly stupid comparison

  20. Most of the world’s jews are of European or near-european descent, so that didn’t inject as much shock into the system as inviting mass hordes of distinctly diverse peoples. Look at Israel’s problems with African jews and you start to see evidence that religion is but one screen of several that are necessary to prevent a melt-down of social cohesion.

    • Replies: @biz
    @The Alarmist

    What problem is Israel having with African (assume you are referring to Ethiopian) Jews? They are generally law-abiding and assimilated, and achieving reasonably well in the military and politics.

    Israel was having a big problem with (non-Jewish) African asylum seekers, but they seem to have decided to take other paths to Europe lately.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Opinionator, @Hippopotamusdrome

  21. Lot says:
    @JackOH
    Among libertarians, the Cato Institute and equivalent state think tanks, such as Ohio's Buckeye Institute, are thought of as Beltway captives and trimmers seeking patronage. Yes, read what they have to say, then step back and ask what a more robust, fully articulated libertarian position would read like.

    Hans-Hermann Hoppe and others have noted the obvious, that free market economics are not inconsistent with tight control of borders and immigration once you consider economic externalities and quantifiable "frictional costs".

    I've already mentioned my view that America's genuine successes may have come about despite mass immigration, not because of it.

    Replies: @Lot, @Seamus Padraig, @RonaldB

    Hoppe notes that every American citizen has a share of our limited public wealth, from the gold in Fort Knox to our B-2 bombers to the vast federal land holdings. Each additional immigrant dilutes existing citizens’ shares of such wealth, and can only be justified if the value to society of the immigrant outweighs the dilution.

    And of course the liberties that Cato libertarians claim to care about can only exist in a society dominated by Western whites or NE Asians. There has never, ever, ever, in hundreds of states in all human history, been a truely free black or Muslim nation.

  22. @kaganovitch
    @Anon

    I don't know all the authors, but Nowrasteh is far out on the right tail of sperginess. Not malicious, just disturbed.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jack Hanson, @Lot

    Nowrasteh is a nasty piece of work for a Jewish sperg.

  23. “So this is a perfect guidepost for what would happen if America let in a lot more Mexicans and Muslims”

    Absolutely it is. Understand that once you suggest that people aren’t perfectly 100% interchangeable, you’re a bigot. You lose. Once you ask why then didn’t Israel let in lots of non-Jews you’re an anti-Semite. You lose. Once you suggest that the Founders intended this country to be for a particular people you’re a selfish pig. You lose. If you have a change of heart and decide that the Founders really were good-hearted men who wanted America to belong to all of humanity then you’re denying their bigotry and support for slavery. You lose.

    You can’t win. You’re not meant to win except to accept whatever bullshit they’re peddling this week without question. They’re religious fanatics, and that’s all you need to know.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @Wilkey

    Don't forget classism. The folks from Russia had professional degrees, often in technology...as opposed to cabdrivers, opium farmers, and child soldiers who have their daughters mutilated as children, then beat their wives because they don't want to have sex.

  24. @kaganovitch
    @Anon

    I don't know all the authors, but Nowrasteh is far out on the right tail of sperginess. Not malicious, just disturbed.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Jack Hanson, @Lot

    Nowrasteh is also likely too dumb to work as a non hack economist. The masters from LSE aounds impressive, but is actually an expensive nearly open admissions program.

    • Replies: @dr kill
    @Lot

    Yeah, he should have gone to a real school, a school like Northern Colorado University.

  25. “Hoppe notes that every American citizen has a share of our limited public wealth, from the gold in Fort Knox to our B-2 bombers to the vast federal land holdings. Each additional immigrant dilutes existing citizens’ shares of such wealth, and can only be justified if the value to society of the immigrant outweighs the dilution. And of course the liberties that Cato libertarians claim to care about can only exist in a society dominated by Western whites or NE Asians.”

    The last time I checked (a few years ago) at least three of Cato’s board members were billionaires. Cato considers things like the “death tax” to be morally repugnant but has no problem taxing the hell out of your U.S. citizenship by handing it over freely to anyone immigrant willing to work for a pittance.

    • Agree: Anonym
  26. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    Cato who wanted to destroy the Semetic commercial empire of Carthage.... the only open borders he liked were the expanding Roman borders of conquest...

    Replies: @guest

    That was Cato the Elder. The Cato Institute is named after the pseudonymous “Cato” of the Cato Letters, I think, a series of political essays from 18th century Britain. That “Cato” was named after Cato the Younger, great-grandson of the Elder. He killed himself rather than submit to Caesar.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @guest

    yeah, you're right. A "never-Caesar" beyond the worth of never-Trumpers... if only the D.C. think tank nobs would have the dignity of suicide rather than lucrative counter-signaling of populist, nation-saving mandates.
    I imagine a Cato the Younger would have been useful against the "Resistance" though, just execute the f*^%ers... like the Catalinarians...

    , @BB753
    @guest

    "That “Cato” was named after Cato the Younger, great-grandson of the Elder. He killed himself rather than submit to Caesar."


    The modern Cato Institute in contrast, is all about submitting to the Caesar.

  27. Russian Jews were the smartest and most entrepreneurial people in Russia. It is hardly surprising they are proving to be a net benefit to Israel. They have also proven to be, for the most part (other than a rise in organized crime), a net benefit to other countries to which they emigrated in large numbers – the USA and Germany. Russia’s long term cultural, scientific and economic decline is directly connected to the rapid decline in Russia’s Jewish population over the last 40 years.

    • Replies: @WJ
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Russia’s long term cultural, scientific and economic decline is directly connected to the rapid decline in Russia’s Jewish population over the last 40 years."

    Yes, because nothing proclaims success more than Chernobyl, the Lada Riva muscle car, Lake Karachay, the most polluted body of water on the planet, USSR military weaponry that the US has routinely destroyed with great impunity in any armed conflict (think Persian Gulf War 1) or the whole stinking rotten commie system with it's material hardships and it's constant oppression.

    Things were waaaay better there, before they left.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "They have also proven to be, for the most part (other than a rise in organized crime), a net benefit to other countries to which they emigrated in large numbers – the USA and Germany."

    That's highly debatable. "Net benefit" means "net benefit". It does not merely mean increase in GDP, if indeed that is even true. There is more to a nation than an economy. The chinese are also a smart and entrepreneurial people. Why doesn't Israel invite in a few million of them?

    "Russia’s long term cultural, scientific and economic decline is directly connected to the rapid decline in Russia’s Jewish population over the last 40 years."

    I am unaware of any reason to believe such a piece of ethnically self-interested propaganda.

    Replies: @anonymous

  28. Open up
    Your eyes. No one like white Christian men

    Everyone agrees you guys have to go

    Just accept it

    • Troll: German_reader
    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @Tiny Duck

    We keep trying to go. You f*^%ers keep following us

    , @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    "Open up
    Your eyes. No one like white Christian men
    Everyone agrees you guys have to go
    Just accept it"

    - Someone peed inside his mother.

  29. Plenty of Russian Jews also made it to America thanks to the Jackson-Vanik amendment (as Steve is fond of pointing out). My not-very-scientific survey seems to suggest that every second one was a highly competent doctor or engineer. And their kids tended to go into medicine, law or engineering as well. A bit of crime and corruption came along with the culture, but I’d easily believe that wave of immigration was a net gain for the U.S. as well as Israel.

    The thing is, my impression is that America used to be pretty good about getting the same result from Muslim immigration — they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews (whom you could basically let in blindly and assume you were getting high average human capital), but we were willing to screen them and limit their numbers, and through the 1970s and 1980s for the most part we got a steady trickle of educated, professional types who wanted better for their families, had the ability to contribute to our society, and were fairly willing to assimilate into mainstream U.S. culture. The Persians fleeing the ’79 revolution in Iran tend to be okay on average — at least the ones we saw fit to admit to America at the time. The Muslim world is so big that there are plenty of good apples out there, even if good apples only constitute a small fraction of that entire population.

    We jumped the shark, though, when we started letting masses of “Stabby Somalis” and similar on the pretext they were “refugees,” without screening and without regard to human capital or willingness to assimilate.

    It’s time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Ben Kurtz

    through the 1970s and 1980s for the most part we got a steady trickle of educated, professional types who wanted better for their families, had the ability to contribute to our society, and were fairly willing to assimilate into mainstream U.S. culture.

    We also got Alex Nowrasteh's family, who had a kid who spends all of his time trying to make us bring in more of the stabby types.

    , @Old fogey
    @Ben Kurtz

    One of my many defects is that I have never been able to reconcile the claims that the Jews were discriminated against terribly in the Soviet Union with the fact that so many of them who entered the U.S. and/or Israel to escape that awful discrimination were at the same time highly-trained professionals. There must be an easy explanation, but I've never seen it.

    Replies: @oddsbodkins, @International Jew, @Old Jew, @nebulafox

    , @utu
    @Ben Kurtz

    "Russian Jews also made it to America thanks to the Jackson-Vanik amendment "

    Lots of old people came who right away qualified for public assistance and public housing. Getting exit visa in USSR if you were young was not that easy.

    , @Opinionator
    @Ben Kurtz

    And their kids tended to go into medicine, law or engineering as well. A bit of crime and corruption came along with the culture, but I’d easily believe that wave of immigration was a net gain for the U.S. as well as Israel.

    No it wasn't. They displaced Americans from the highest paying professions.

    , @nebulafox
    @Ben Kurtz

    More than OK: Persian-Americans are up there as one of the highest performing ethnic groups that the US has. Tons of scientists, doctors, very model minority group. Similarly, the (heavily Maronite, but also a fair amount of Sunni) Lebanese in Brazil do extremely well, too, so this goes beyond the US. However, you need to look at the type of socioeconomic demographic that would flee something like the Iranian Revolution or the Lebanese Civil War, and go halfway around the world to places with lesser welfare systems than more nearby Europe. Usually educated middle class types who intend to stay in their new homeland, or those parents who will move heaven and earth to make sure their children are so. The American legal immigration system is very rigorous. You only go through that if you are really, really determined to.

    American Muslims are a very high performing group, as a rule, unlike in Europe. They are frequently highly educated, most speak fluent English, and they as a rule see no contradiction between Western norms/American citizenship and their religion. But this is for a reason: we get to pick from the cream of the crop, just like everywhere else in the world. Our own low-skilled labor influx typically comes from Central America instead of the Muslim World thanks to location. It makes zero sense to come to America from the Muslim World if you a poorly educated young male who is unlikely to assimilate-our welfare sucks compared to Europe, anyway.

    A major exception to all of this is the Somalis of Minnesota that we've let in as refugees. They fit "European trends", and it should disturb everybody here that our elite thinks more of that is a good thing.

    >It’s time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    My old roommate was a highly assimilated Pakistani physicist who'd agree. He was a devout Sunni Muslim who wanted his religion respected. Yet he sincerely loathed jihadists with a fervor that would shock your typical Western bien-pensant (remember, they've caused a lot more pain in Muslim countries than they do in the West), was very clear in our conversations that he thought the Europeans had collectively lost their minds when they decided to open the borders, and was more than a little annoyed that the New York Times regularly lumped him and other legal immigrants (it took him several years and a Phd to go for US citizenship) in with low-skilled illegal aliens from Central America that were responsible for a lot of the local drug trade.

    *Not all immigrants are equal*. A Russian computer genius who'd otherwise be working for the Mafia or an Iranian physicist who'd otherwise be working on the bomb program or a Chinese bioengineer who wants to create a startup brings a lot more net value to the United States than yet more low-skilled labor from Central America or nearly illiterate, ill-adjusted young male refugees from the most backwards parts of the Muslim World.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @anon, @currahee

    , @RonaldB
    @Ben Kurtz

    "Muslim immigration — they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews "

    There are several problems with this construction.

    You can screen Muslims and allow in only the peaceful, well-educated, productive ones. As long as they remain a very small minority you won't have a problem, at least with the original immigrants.

    But, since you're skimming the cream off the very top of the MENA population, regression to the mean kicks in, and the children have lower-level skills, work ethics and intelligence from what you'd expect from a European population of that intelligence.

    And, Islam itself is a subversive and expansionist theology. As long as a Muslim is a Muslim, he will give allegiance to Muslim supremacy. If he doesn't, he might as well stop being a Muslim. So, even the peaceful and productive Muslim immigrants will give financial and political support to the more supremacist groups such as CAIR and the various and numerous Muslim advancement societies. Which put political pressure on government officials to go easy on Muslims and kick back on surveillance. And of course, they promote public support for Muslim charter schools, where their children learn the pure doctrines of Islamic supremacy at public expense.

    In short, it's the self-advancing leveraging effect of an initially-peaceful and integrated group working to increase its own presence.

    The correct number of Muslims to have is exactly the number we already have, and not one more. Note, I am not calling for the expulsion of Muslims who are already citizens. We made that decision, so we have to live with it.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Frau Katze, @wrd9

  30. @asdf
    "Our synthetic control methodology indicates that it is likely that the institutional improvement would not have occurred to the same degree without the mass migration."

    Oh well, check them out. All scientific! I guess that proves mass immigration is ipso facto good. No more discussion plebes.

    Replies: @dr kill

    I also especially enjoy the phrase ‘synthetic control methodology’. English is a great language, isn’t it? The hockey stick / climate change crowd would do well to use synthetic control methodology instead of computer modelling. It sounds so much more scientific.
    I can’t believe I used to read everything CATO. Is there anything remaining that’s not been converged?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @dr kill


    The hockey stick / climate change crowd would do well to use synthetic control methodology instead of computer modelling. It sounds so much more scientific.
     
    I think by now, it is too late for them to climb out of the trench of stupidity that they have dug themselves into.* The technical people won't get fooled by bogus terminology, and the non-technical people have heard and read some much hypocritical bullshit that they quit listening a while ago.

    I can’t believe I used to read everything CATO. Is there anything remaining that’s not been converged?
     
    I could say the same. However, it's not like they're wrong about that much; it's that they feel that their analysis is too clean to add human factors to - that would muck-up the math. If your model doesn't include all factors, it's not gonna work, and it probably won't work without a lot of tweeking even if it does. By, "converged", do you mean infiltrated or co-opted?


    * It's like the backhoe is in deeper than its whole boom can reach and there's no room to build a ramp. They;d call for a porta-potty and a truck crane but left their phones and radios up top. (OK, I like dirt, but this analogy is running out of steam.)
  31. @Lot
    @kaganovitch

    Nowrasteh is also likely too dumb to work as a non hack economist. The masters from LSE aounds impressive, but is actually an expensive nearly open admissions program.

    Replies: @dr kill

    Yeah, he should have gone to a real school, a school like Northern Colorado University.

  32. No comment needed.

  33. Ah, the good ‘ol “conservative” Cato Institute. Conservative as in whatever is good for big business and the one percenters. They will always come up with convenient data on how lower taxes and cuts to government spending are good things. Which they are, although the studies that Cato funds are usually about as flawed as this one. For example, in a study showing how overpaid government workers are compared to the private sector, they lump in McDonald’s workers and the like into the private sector jobs for purposes of the comparison.

  34. OT

    California is banning state funded employee travel to certain states over bathroom bills.

    Is this real life…?

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/the-state-worker/article157688724.html

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    @Yak-15

    Lol.

    Yeah. We in Texas have to do without the benefit of the presence of California state employees unless they pay their own way.

    Oh, the horror, the horror!!!!

    Replies: @Yak-15, @Achmed E. Newman

  35. @JackOH
    Among libertarians, the Cato Institute and equivalent state think tanks, such as Ohio's Buckeye Institute, are thought of as Beltway captives and trimmers seeking patronage. Yes, read what they have to say, then step back and ask what a more robust, fully articulated libertarian position would read like.

    Hans-Hermann Hoppe and others have noted the obvious, that free market economics are not inconsistent with tight control of borders and immigration once you consider economic externalities and quantifiable "frictional costs".

    I've already mentioned my view that America's genuine successes may have come about despite mass immigration, not because of it.

    Replies: @Lot, @Seamus Padraig, @RonaldB

    Hans-Hermann Hoppe and others have noted the obvious, that free market economics are not inconsistent with tight control of borders and immigration once you consider economic externalities and quantifiable “frictional costs”.

    Maybe, but expand your analysis of “economic externalities” to other areas in addition to immigration, and you’ll begin to realize that libertarianism is inconsistent with the national interest generally.

  36. @guest
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    That was Cato the Elder. The Cato Institute is named after the pseudonymous "Cato" of the Cato Letters, I think, a series of political essays from 18th century Britain. That "Cato" was named after Cato the Younger, great-grandson of the Elder. He killed himself rather than submit to Caesar.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @BB753

    yeah, you’re right. A “never-Caesar” beyond the worth of never-Trumpers… if only the D.C. think tank nobs would have the dignity of suicide rather than lucrative counter-signaling of populist, nation-saving mandates.
    I imagine a Cato the Younger would have been useful against the “Resistance” though, just execute the f*^%ers… like the Catalinarians…

  37. In 2017 how any sane person could argue for more Muslims in the West is beyond my ability to comprehend on any level.

    That piece has got to be a troll.

    Folks should go back and read what Lawrence Auster was writing about Muslims in the early oughts, nothing he wrote has been proven wrong.

  38. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anon

    According to Transparency International, Israel is ranked #28 on its corruption perceptions index, just above Poland and Portugal: https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2016

    It's a credit to Israel's institutions that it ranks that high, given that a lot of its citizens come from corrupt places (Russia, MENA).

    Replies: @Samuel Skinner

    Of course- why bribe people if you have no way of making sure they give you a good return?

  39. @Tiny Duck
    Open up
    Your eyes. No one like white Christian men

    Everyone agrees you guys have to go

    Just accept it

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Anonymous

    We keep trying to go. You f*^%ers keep following us

    • Agree: Druid
  40. @syonredux
    Let's see, two things are being compared/contrasted:

    Mass immigration of Jews/quasi-Jews to Israel ("The Jewish State").


    Mass immigration of non-Europeans to a state (the USA) that has traditionally defined itself as being Anglo-European.

    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the latter is not equivalent to the former.....

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I was going to write the same thing, Syonredux, with Steve’s paragraph about these newcomers of the same culture bringing in their problems anyway notwithstanding.

    I don’t know how these Cato guys passed the SAT’s. You gotta be able to do those analogies. I wonder about another thing too: Libertarians can’t be completely stupid, as they understand economics, which relates to human behavior, in the way that the Statists don’t – how can they be so ignorant when it comes to other aspects of human behavior? Or, is it possible that some of the supposedly libertarian organizations have been infiltrated, or even blackmailed like the Sierra Club?

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I used to be a libertarian, which has a fatal flaw. Libertarians regard humans as interchangeable commodities, with economic unit price as the highest value. They totally ignore identity politics, which gives a cohesive group the ability to disproportionately influence government and accrue undeserved resources and influence to themselves. Even in a non-democracy, an identity group is superb at practicing intimidation and getting privileges.

    The stock libertarian reply for unskilled immigrants is that in a totally libertarian environment, there would be no government benefits, so any immigrant unable to contribute would either leave or starve.

    Right.

    See identity politics.

    There is another flaw in the libertarian economic view of man and markets. It's true that in a totally free market for international trade, you get the lowest price per unit good. However, the unit of value is the dollar and not happiness. Totally open markets can put indigenous farmers, craftsmen, or even managers out of jobs, devastating the local culture and economy. Protected markets may raise the price of goods, but may provide a safer, culturally homogeneous, and supportive environment far conducive to individual happiness. So, the net benefit to happiness of a protected market can offset the pure economic costs.

    Of course, in any protected market, there's always the problem of rent-seeking or shutting out legitimate competition, even domestic competition.

    Replies: @JackOH, @anon

    , @guest
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "how can they be so ignorant when it comes to other aspects of human behavior?"

    Because they don't want to know know, because they're intellectually lazy, a lot of them. They've got their answers, from their template. The Big Questions have been solved, on favor of "liberty!" No need to confuse things with Truth.

    They've already got the answers, you see. Isn't the world a more pleasant place when you already know everything you need to know?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  41. @Anon
    Always a struggle to figure out if these people are stupid or evil (yeah, they could be both). But that comparison is so amazingly obtuse and just plain stupid (you'd fail even a grade schooler who thought Russian Jews moving to a Jewish country was ANYTHING like Muslims moving to the US) that it's hard to imagine it's not malicious. Maybe it's a bank shot and they secretly support strong borders and are trying to undermine the Cato crowd? Wish I could believe that.

    [not actually anonymous, always post as Polynices, but dumb system thinks my iPad isn't me or something]

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Hippopotamusdrome, @ATX Hipster, @Achmed E. Newman, @Frau Katze

    Are you sure that you used the exact same name and email address, Polynices? I’m pretty sure it goes by those 2 – definitely not IP number, nor anything related to the specific computer or device. I have used and iPad on here too.

    • Agree: ATX Hipster
  42. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ben Kurtz
    Plenty of Russian Jews also made it to America thanks to the Jackson-Vanik amendment (as Steve is fond of pointing out). My not-very-scientific survey seems to suggest that every second one was a highly competent doctor or engineer. And their kids tended to go into medicine, law or engineering as well. A bit of crime and corruption came along with the culture, but I'd easily believe that wave of immigration was a net gain for the U.S. as well as Israel.

    The thing is, my impression is that America used to be pretty good about getting the same result from Muslim immigration -- they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews (whom you could basically let in blindly and assume you were getting high average human capital), but we were willing to screen them and limit their numbers, and through the 1970s and 1980s for the most part we got a steady trickle of educated, professional types who wanted better for their families, had the ability to contribute to our society, and were fairly willing to assimilate into mainstream U.S. culture. The Persians fleeing the '79 revolution in Iran tend to be okay on average -- at least the ones we saw fit to admit to America at the time. The Muslim world is so big that there are plenty of good apples out there, even if good apples only constitute a small fraction of that entire population.

    We jumped the shark, though, when we started letting masses of "Stabby Somalis" and similar on the pretext they were "refugees," without screening and without regard to human capital or willingness to assimilate.

    It's time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    Replies: @anon, @Old fogey, @utu, @Opinionator, @nebulafox, @RonaldB

    through the 1970s and 1980s for the most part we got a steady trickle of educated, professional types who wanted better for their families, had the ability to contribute to our society, and were fairly willing to assimilate into mainstream U.S. culture.

    We also got Alex Nowrasteh’s family, who had a kid who spends all of his time trying to make us bring in more of the stabby types.

  43. WJ says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Russian Jews were the smartest and most entrepreneurial people in Russia. It is hardly surprising they are proving to be a net benefit to Israel. They have also proven to be, for the most part (other than a rise in organized crime), a net benefit to other countries to which they emigrated in large numbers - the USA and Germany. Russia's long term cultural, scientific and economic decline is directly connected to the rapid decline in Russia's Jewish population over the last 40 years.

    Replies: @WJ, @Mr. Anon

    “Russia’s long term cultural, scientific and economic decline is directly connected to the rapid decline in Russia’s Jewish population over the last 40 years.”

    Yes, because nothing proclaims success more than Chernobyl, the Lada Riva muscle car, Lake Karachay, the most polluted body of water on the planet, USSR military weaponry that the US has routinely destroyed with great impunity in any armed conflict (think Persian Gulf War 1) or the whole stinking rotten commie system with it’s material hardships and it’s constant oppression.

    Things were waaaay better there, before they left.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @WJ

    In all fairness to Russian military equipment, the US success in destroying its wielders is largely because of the ineptitude and stupidity of the people wielding it.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @WJ


    ......USSR military weaponry that the US has routinely destroyed with great impunity in any armed conflict (think Persian Gulf War 1)
     
    Russian weaponry is probably pretty good (it was in WWII). In the hands of russians, it is probably very effective. In the hands of Iraqis, who where not all that keen to fight us anyway, not so much. Saddam Hussein's forces could have had phasers and we probably still would have shellacked them.

    One is reminded of Moshe Dyan's advice on how to win wars: "Fight arabs".

    I wonder if the Washington Establishments' current enthusiasm for provoking the Russian Bear owes something to our overwhelming victory in the Gulf War. Do they think that the Russians are nothing but a paper tiger because we so easily disposed of a huge army equipped with russian weapons? Do they think it is the weapons that matter most, not the men who wield them? That would be in keeping with their belief in magic schools, magic pavement, and magic dirt.........magic hardware.

    If so, that is a very dangerous misconception.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @MarkinLA

  44. I wonder if the three guys who wrote this article are serious. Or do you think they were laughing? Like maybe they were in a coffee shop somewhere, with a laptop, one of them typing while the others were looking over his shoulder, saying “no, no, call it an exogenous shock, that’s it!” and “I know, we’ll say it’s a “synthetic control methodology”, that’s perfect!”

    Do they think people swallow this stuff whole?

  45. It is claimed that Ariel Sharon was of Subbotnik descent, Subbotniks being a sect of Russian Slavs who Judaized over decades and centuries, so he was probably naturally conditioned to feel comfortable around quasi-Jew Slavs and Judeophile Slavs. Probably not so comfortable around Ethiopian faux-Jews and inbred, semi-retarded Yemeni Jews.

    I have heard that there are a substantial number of New Mexicans, Mexicans and other Mestizo Americans (North, Central and South) who have convinced themselves that they are Jews, having maintained a 500 years long tradition of crypto-Judaism, despite having been forcibly converted to Catholicism during the Inquisition. Maybe we can start a campaign to divert these inevitable migrants to our land, from our land to Israel, their true homeland. I’m certain that the Cato institute and Bill Kristol would celebrate the rightful return of 20 million Mestizo American Jews to their rightful homeland, Israel.

    • Replies: @RonaldB
    @Daniel H

    I met a Converso (Spanish/Mexican crypto-Jew) who had a dramatic story and who became a full Jew and went around to synagogues telling her history. She was also a surgeon, and no mestizo.

    I don't have any doubt all kinds of people will try to get on a bandwagon that seems to have some gravy associated with it. But, the story of the crypto-Jews is real. How you react is your own affair, but the reality is there.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    , @Flip
    @Daniel H

    I believe that DNA testing shows some support for being the descendants of Spanish Jews. I know a guy who has a Spanish Chilean grandmother (with the rest of his ancestry German and Irish), and his DNA shows significant Jewish ancestry despite all known ancestors being Christian. It doesn't seem far fetched that Jews/Conversos would decide to head out for the colonies.

  46. There aren’t enough *facepalms*

  47. biz says:
    @The Alarmist
    Most of the world's jews are of European or near-european descent, so that didn't inject as much shock into the system as inviting mass hordes of distinctly diverse peoples. Look at Israel's problems with African jews and you start to see evidence that religion is but one screen of several that are necessary to prevent a melt-down of social cohesion.

    Replies: @biz

    What problem is Israel having with African (assume you are referring to Ethiopian) Jews? They are generally law-abiding and assimilated, and achieving reasonably well in the military and politics.

    Israel was having a big problem with (non-Jewish) African asylum seekers, but they seem to have decided to take other paths to Europe lately.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @biz

    Some of the same problems every country with a black minority deals with: poorer outcomes leading to allegations of discrimination.

    , @Opinionator
    @biz

    Israel was having a big problem with (non-Jewish) African asylum seekers, but they seem to have decided to take other paths to Europe lately.

    Kind of like how many Jews living in Germany in the 1930s seemed to decide to seek their fortunes in the United States and elsewhere.

    Replies: @biz

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @biz



    What problem is Israel having with African (assume you are referring to Ethiopian) Jews?

     

    LOL. Same problem everyone else has with blacks.


    Israel's Ethiopian Jews clash with police at race rally
    Dozens injured during anti-racism rally in Tel Aviv sparked by brutality against a black soldier.

    Israeli riot police have fired stun grenades and water cannon on thousands of ethnic Ethiopian Jewish citizens in an attempt to clear one of the most violent protests in memory in the heart of Tel Aviv.

    The protesters, Israeli Jews of Ethiopian origin, were demonstrating on Sunday against what they said was police racism and brutality after a video clip emerged last week showing policemen shoving and punching a black soldier.

    Demonstrators overturned a police car and threw bottles and stones at officers in riot gear at Rabin Square in the heart of Israel's commercial capital.

     

    VIDEO: Thousands Of Israeli Ethiopians Protest In Tel Aviv
    VIDEO: Anti-racism protest becomes violent in Tel Aviv
    VIDEO: Tel Aviv anti-racism protests marred by violence
  48. This is why I am getting more conservative and less libertarian…

  49. Didn’t the Soviet Union have a 100% literacy rate by 1990? Just like Afghan goat herders.

    What is the plan for Israel after the West becomes an Islamic version of Brazil?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Thea


    Didn’t the Soviet Union have a 100% literacy rate by 1990?
     
    Yes, any one of them could read 100% of the Communist Manifesto.

    (OK, that joke would have worked better for 1958.)

    It is true about the Afghan goat herders' literacy too. Any of them could read 100% of the Karma Goatra.

    Speaking of 100% ... skip to 01:05 if you are pressed for time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1HqjBc6LhA
  50. I’ve already mentioned my view that America’s genuine successes may have come about despite mass immigration, not because of it.

    I wonder about this. Did America’s upper classes of the time import Europeans to lower the cost of American labor? It seems possible. A byproduct was the violence in major cities, violence caused by immigrant crime. That crime, and its organized nature, was probably the way in which immigrants competed to rise above those low wages. The cost this crime imposed on native Americans was an increased chance of victimization, the creation of “no-go” zones, and an exploitation of the high-trust institutions. Jews, Italians, et all, were guilty of these crimes (whenever I heard about how Jews were victimized in this country, I remember Dutch Schultz, who killed & maimed with the best of them and who would rub gonorrheal discharge in his victims’ eyes). The scandalous fact that laws were broken so openly probably increased the perception of the law’s vulnerability (“I would not have known sin except that it were proposed to me”). Some groups became market-dominant minorities (I think the Irish took over many municipal police departments). Some rose to the levels of elites (Jews are good examples; Albert Lasker was a Texan Jew who became the top advertising mogul in the U.S. in the teens and ’20s). Eventually, these European & Jewish immigrants joined up in the labor movements (the infamous Ludlow Massacre, that partly caused the 40 hr. work-week, counted many Italians among its victims). So the elites’ plan seemingly backfired on them. What no one hears about in all this are the low-class native Americans who were forced to compete with these new arrivals. Did they flee to the countryside, or did they rise to the then-equivalent of white-collar status, or did they perish?

    The other thing to consider is that America was possibly largely underpopulated at the time, and her economy probably depended on extracting & refining natural resources, so maybe an influx of European people was a good idea that was implemented too quickly.

    All this being said, the sophistry of Nowrasteh, et al, is bold & remarkable. It’s clearly a ridiculous comparison that they are proposing.

    I am partly descended from those new arrivals, and I am partly descended from the settlers. So my primary goal is that the European character of America be preserved and that the dialectic of who&what an American is remain firmly in the European-American sphere.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Mikey Darmody

    "That crime, and its organized nature, was probably the way in which immigrants competed to rise above those low wages"

    Some of them. There were other ways. Also, some of them were merely importing their corrupt culture with them. Much like the Aloha Snackbars' Culture of Stabbing, except more amenable to traditional American culture.

    Tony Soprano had it your way, though bear in mind he's of the criminal class and self-justifying:

    "When America opened up the floodgates and let all us Italians in, what do you think they were doing it for? 'Cause they were trying to save us from poverty? No, they did it because they needed us. They needed us to build their cities and dig their subways, and to make them richer. The Carnegies and the Rockefellers: they needed worker bees and there we were.

    But some of us didn't want to swarm around their hive and lose who we were. We wanted to stay Italian* and preserve the things that meant something to us: honor and family and loyalty...and some of us wanted a piece of the action. Now, we weren't educated like the Americans, but we had the balls to take what we wanted. And those other folks, those other...the, the J.P. Morgans, they were crooks and killers, but that was the business, right? The American Way."

    *Then stay in Italy. Problem solved.

    , @Corn
    @Mikey Darmody

    "I wonder about this. Did America’s upper classes of the time import Europeans to lower the cost of American labor? It seems possible. A byproduct was the violence in major cities, violence caused by immigrant crime. That crime, and its organized nature, was probably the way in which immigrants competed to rise above those low wages. The cost this crime imposed on native Americans was an increased chance of victimization, the creation of “no-go” zones, and an exploitation of the high-trust institutions."

    People think of white flight in America as something that started in the '60s, but in his book Reflections on the Revolution in Europe, Christopher Caldwell notes that the first white flight in American history was the flight of Protestants out of Boston in the 1830s and 1840s and Irish immigrants made the city poorer and more violent.

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody

  51. Because the Founding Fathers of America were closet Muslims, hiding their true identity for fear of anti-Muslim pogroms. About time this historical injustice was corrected.

  52. @Peter Akuleyev
    Russian Jews were the smartest and most entrepreneurial people in Russia. It is hardly surprising they are proving to be a net benefit to Israel. They have also proven to be, for the most part (other than a rise in organized crime), a net benefit to other countries to which they emigrated in large numbers - the USA and Germany. Russia's long term cultural, scientific and economic decline is directly connected to the rapid decline in Russia's Jewish population over the last 40 years.

    Replies: @WJ, @Mr. Anon

    “They have also proven to be, for the most part (other than a rise in organized crime), a net benefit to other countries to which they emigrated in large numbers – the USA and Germany.”

    That’s highly debatable. “Net benefit” means “net benefit”. It does not merely mean increase in GDP, if indeed that is even true. There is more to a nation than an economy. The chinese are also a smart and entrepreneurial people. Why doesn’t Israel invite in a few million of them?

    “Russia’s long term cultural, scientific and economic decline is directly connected to the rapid decline in Russia’s Jewish population over the last 40 years.”

    I am unaware of any reason to believe such a piece of ethnically self-interested propaganda.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Mr. Anon


    I am unaware of any reason to believe such a piece of ethnically self-interested propaganda.
     
    People who make that statement often neglect to mention the decapitation of the Russian upper classes that took place after the Bolshevik revolution. How much potential human capital was culled from Russia by them?

    Replies: @guest, @Peter Akuleyev

  53. @Opinionator
    @kaganovitch

    He seems rabidly anti-White, from what I have read of him. Hard to discount malice.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Massimo Heitor

    The old saying goes:

    “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”.

    I’m beginning to think it ought properly to be reversed.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Mr. Anon

    Yeah. What are the odds Mr. Nowrasteh identifies with the core American people, versus views them with a mixture of fear and contempt?

  54. Perhaps the authors mean to say that America should take in enough immigrants to increase its population by ~20% within the space of a few years, which is what happened in Israel in the 1990s.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @IHTG


    Perhaps the authors mean to say that America should take in enough immigrants to increase its population by ~20%
     
    In American terms, the analog would be getting a 20% population boost made up of northwest Europeans who, once here, take up voting overwhelmingly for the Republican Party.
  55. The problem for Cato and most libertarians is they think libertarianism is a rational political philosophy. Their attempts to make it so eventually causes madness.

    The truth is, libertarians are mostly white males who are afraid of being yelled at by liberal women. I used to see it when I lived in Boston. At parties, there was always a few gals looking to lecture some poor slob about abortion so the easy was to avoid it was to say you were a libertarian.

    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
    @The Z Blog


    At parties, there was always a few gals looking to lecture some poor slob about abortion
     
    Sounds like you went to fun parties.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @The Z Blog

    Nah, Zman, this libertarian does not agree with your theory. Just the premise of talking to women about politics at a party negates any conclusions you've got. Who would talk to women about politics at a party, or basically anywhere at all? It's not their thing, and it shouldn't be.

    Were a younger me at a party where the women there talked about politics, I would realize I had been Shanghai'd to Massachusetts or some other hellhole and get myself out of there prontomundo!

  56. @guest
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    That was Cato the Elder. The Cato Institute is named after the pseudonymous "Cato" of the Cato Letters, I think, a series of political essays from 18th century Britain. That "Cato" was named after Cato the Younger, great-grandson of the Elder. He killed himself rather than submit to Caesar.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @BB753

    “That “Cato” was named after Cato the Younger, great-grandson of the Elder. He killed himself rather than submit to Caesar.”

    The modern Cato Institute in contrast, is all about submitting to the Caesar.

  57. Anonymous [AKA "Chef Boyhowdy"] says:

    https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/missouri-offer-dorm-room-rentals-traveling-football-fans-132205095.html

    Will the local Indian hoteliers in Columbia swallow this to keep the kkkrazy glue coalition intact?

  58. Do these people have no shame? I don’t think I have enough contempt for other people’s intelligence to use an argument like this.

  59. @Ben Kurtz
    Plenty of Russian Jews also made it to America thanks to the Jackson-Vanik amendment (as Steve is fond of pointing out). My not-very-scientific survey seems to suggest that every second one was a highly competent doctor or engineer. And their kids tended to go into medicine, law or engineering as well. A bit of crime and corruption came along with the culture, but I'd easily believe that wave of immigration was a net gain for the U.S. as well as Israel.

    The thing is, my impression is that America used to be pretty good about getting the same result from Muslim immigration -- they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews (whom you could basically let in blindly and assume you were getting high average human capital), but we were willing to screen them and limit their numbers, and through the 1970s and 1980s for the most part we got a steady trickle of educated, professional types who wanted better for their families, had the ability to contribute to our society, and were fairly willing to assimilate into mainstream U.S. culture. The Persians fleeing the '79 revolution in Iran tend to be okay on average -- at least the ones we saw fit to admit to America at the time. The Muslim world is so big that there are plenty of good apples out there, even if good apples only constitute a small fraction of that entire population.

    We jumped the shark, though, when we started letting masses of "Stabby Somalis" and similar on the pretext they were "refugees," without screening and without regard to human capital or willingness to assimilate.

    It's time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    Replies: @anon, @Old fogey, @utu, @Opinionator, @nebulafox, @RonaldB

    One of my many defects is that I have never been able to reconcile the claims that the Jews were discriminated against terribly in the Soviet Union with the fact that so many of them who entered the U.S. and/or Israel to escape that awful discrimination were at the same time highly-trained professionals. There must be an easy explanation, but I’ve never seen it.

    • Replies: @oddsbodkins
    @Old fogey

    Read Thomas Sowell about the Chinese in Malaysia. It's a rather analogous situation- A smart and industrious minority achieving more economically than the majority, despite overt legal discrimination by the majority, typically through quotas.

    Ashkenazi culture has some major advantages over native Russian culture when viewed from a perspective of economic performance. For a start, they don't drain so many bottles of vodka.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    , @International Jew
    @Old fogey

    Discrimination motivates people to work harder. And vice versa. Look at what discrimination has done for African Americans: the bad old days gave us Richard Wright, affirmative action gave us Ta Nehisi Coates.

    Replies: @Old fogey

    , @Old Jew
    @Old fogey

    So this friend of mine, was not admitted to Engineering School in Moscow (Jewish family name) so he went to Perm. Thus his degree is from Perm. (Ural Mountains?) Still an Engineer.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    , @nebulafox
    @Old fogey

    The contradiction is not a real one. In fact, their overwhelmingly bourgeois status probably enhanced native animus against them.

    The Jews in 1930s Germany were arguably the most valuable human capital in modern history, but it didn't stop the Nazis from chasing them out. A similar analogue can be found with the Chinese of Southeast Asia, and the Koreans got hit hard in the 1992 LA riots for a reason. An unusually extreme example are the South Asians of East Africa. Etc, etc. Envy is a powerful weapon for demagogues.

    Replies: @Old fogey

  60. Another study by those authors (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11127-015-0254-y) purports to show higher immigration does not increase the state as measured by regulations, economic freedom (liberty stuff Cato supports). Yet all they document is that % immigrants in 1990 is correlated with a free market across 110 countries. Now, prosperous countries have a more free-market economy, and immigrants move to where the money is, so I would argue that the causation is the other way.

    For example, it’s harder to start a business in Mexico, there’s a lot more crony capitalism (eg, Carlos Slims telephone monopoly is good for him, protected by the state), so there’s less wealth, so Mexicans want to move to the US. That does not mean Mexicans are libertarians, just they like money. Yet they vote for Democrats who want to increase the state in every dimension.

    See more discussion of this study here:
    http://reason.com/archives/2017/06/13/more-immigration-does-not-mean-less-econ

  61. @Welsh
    I'm going to pretend these authors experienced humiliation at having to publish such silliness in order to please their benefactors. Or, that they are having a grand old time trolling the hell out of everyone while actually receiving a paycheck for doing so.

    Because it'd be mighty depressing to think our philanthropist class (who financially supported this) and our officially sanctioned "experts" (who wrote & published it) are both retarded.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    Not retarded. They just have to defend an indefensible position. Everybody knows the downside to mass immigration is bigger than the upside. However, these people need a argument and all the old ones have been used up and either debunked or laughed at.

    Remember we had the Japanese death spiral, the saving Social Security angle, the who will work in the old folks home, the list goes on.

    A long time ago I remember reading an article about how the unpopular ideas are pushed in the media such as gun control and NAFTA. The paid shills publish disparate articles based on sketchy “social science” or their supposedly well thought out opinions. However, they all have the same conclusion. The purpose of these articles to find a meme that works with the public. Once that is found the shills start producing articles advancing variations of that argument.

    Japan need immigrants because …….

    • Replies: @wrd9
    @MarkinLA

    In the 1990s, they started doing that with outsourcing to India and the insourcing of Indian H1Bs. It was all extreme hype. And some of it was blatant "in your face" insults. I clearly remember a Boston Magazine cover that had a picture of an Indian on it with the headline that goes along the line of, "They are smarter than you".

    Replies: @Anonymous

  62. The settlers seem to be largely US nationals. But yes the Cato article is delusional on a number of grounds, not the least is the massive transfer of wealth to Israel supporting Israeli population enhancement. It is not clear what happens if that support stops, for example if government pension schemes in the US start to collapse. See pensionTsumani.com . Or search on Illinois budget for something that might happen that might happen July 1.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @George

    The settlers seem to be largely US nationals. But yes the Cato article is delusional on a number of grounds, not the least is the massive transfer of wealth to Israel supporting Israeli population enhancement.

    About 1% of the Jewish population of Israel was born in the United States. American aid to Israel amounts to 1.2% of the country's annual domestic product and is used for arms purchases abroad.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  63. These Libertarian immigration liars, immigration traitors are a real pain in the arse.

    So many push 180% opposite immigration policy for Israel (Jewish Ethno State) and open borders, unrestricted immigration for what remains of the White West in Europe, UK, Australia, USA and Canada.

    They simply just lie that Israel embraces multiculturalism, non racism, progressivism and thus the USA should be like Israel and welcome millions of Muslim and Mexican migrants and Syrian war refugees like Israel.

    Israel and Saudi Arabia accepted Zero Syrian war refugees even though Israel occupies the Syrian Golan Heights.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @jack ryan


    So many push 180% opposite immigration policy for Israel (Jewish Ethno State) and open borders, unrestricted immigration for what remains of the White West in Europe, UK, Australia, USA and Canada.
     
    Recall back in October 2016, Hungary drew the ire of these people when it announced it was willing to accept Christian refugees from the middle east, but not muslims. So even though Hungary expressed a willingness to accept refugees, because they only wanted the Christian ones they were still criticized.
    , @Anon
    @jack ryan

    First, the alt-right complains Israel treats wounded Syrians in its hospitals. Now it complains that it doesn't take in Syrians. What do you want? You complain that blacks blame 'whitey' for all there problems but then you do the same thing with the Jews. It's pathetic.

  64. We are inching ever closer to that Silverado Moment. Where Kevin Kline’s character realizes that if he just kills Brian Dennehy’s character all his problems go away.

    These religious idiots will never cease their utopian project, requiring mass slaughter of millions to billions to create their heaven on earth. See Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. By contrast the old-line fascists like Alberto Salazar of Portugal, Juan Peron of Argentina, and Francisco Franco of Spain were a much better deal for humanity. Their model of the Catholic Church and aristocracy as primary pillars of society, a rigidly stratified corporatist society, while stasis ridden and repressive did not entail mass slaughter to engineer a perfect humanity; and had the merit of being known and well understood. These men wanted to be Sforza, the Duke of Milan. And considering everything, there were a lot worse things they could have been.

    Even or especially the Pope believes this — unsurprising from a Latin American Marxist. Never mind any significant Muslim presence will eradicate Christianity in Italy. He need only look at the walls built in the 900s to keep Muslim raiders out to find proof of that.

    Put in religious belief of the true believer — the Lunch with the FT had an interview with some Russian lady who recorded ordinary people’s lives; the only one she ever argued with was some Communist whose wife died in a camp while they were both purged, and told her he was filled with joy when he at least got his Party Card back because “he was part of history and belonged to the believers” or some such nonsense. Add in the female equivalent of men rushing to Thailand for 12 year old hookers — “Rapefugees welcome! (for aging sluts and fatties)” and the innate desire of women and gays to submit to the most aggressive and stupid group of men and we are doomed to a couple of centuries of ultra-violence.

    Yes Tiny “non-Whites don’t like us.” So what aside from killing us do you propose to do with us? That part has not been thought out well — sure the Elite would like to Pol Pot us deplorables but White men have a well earned reputation for carnage on the battlefield. And an appetite for shock battle absent in non-Whites. No one but Whites could have fought the Somme, for example. Muslims and Africans would have run away.

    The White future seems to be ultra-violence against all non-Whites who surround us in a giant sea of seething hostility; restriction of women and gays (who are weaponized beyond numbers by advertising that amplifies their cultural influence) and a society ordered around military service and fighting. Sparta not Athens. What after all are Deplorable Whites going to do when they are suddenly in Mexico-meets-the-Sudan? All die the White Death? Just disappear into Dimension X? Or follow ANY leader who offers them an Israeli style “survival through killing their enemies” path?

    The peace process died when most Israelis felt there was no prospect for real peace just constant war: Gaza, the Intifadas, etc. and figured if they’d fight they’d at least stick around for a while.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Whiskey

    Whiskey, you really have no standing to comment on issues like this. People of your ilk railroaded Patrick Buchanan out of the conservative movement when he was trying to awaken us to this problem over 25 years ago. Even now you often mock Mr. Buchanan in your comments by deliberately misspelling his name.

    Let's face it you knew what was coming down the pike, but you had other issues that were more important to address than the demographic future of the US and the West. On more than one occasion on this blog your stated, I'm paraphrasing, that the key to the defense of the West was Israel, and that if Israel fell so too would the West.

    Well Israel looks pretty secure today. I doubt it is going to fall anytime soon. But I am not so sanguine about the future prospects of the West. Are you?

    , @BenKenobi
    @Whiskey

    I would be the first man to his feet to start the standing ovation for this one, Whiskey.

    , @Flip
    @Whiskey

    The Saxon will begin to hate at some point.

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Whiskey

    No. You will just die.

    Mostly to other whites, and the few of you who try to act up will be arrested and killed. Your families will condemn you and deny you. All will marvel and call you maniacs, while others in the alt-right try to disassociate from you. Your children will meet with the media and explain that you were always abusive, while President Chelsea Clinton introduces new bills against propagation of hate speech. Through facebook, they will be able to find your groups and all those associated with you.

    So the only thing to do, is to not act up. En masse, compliance will lead you to a Holocaust. This one will be more successful than the last one.

    You have no future. And soon, no present or past.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  65. @Old fogey
    @Ben Kurtz

    One of my many defects is that I have never been able to reconcile the claims that the Jews were discriminated against terribly in the Soviet Union with the fact that so many of them who entered the U.S. and/or Israel to escape that awful discrimination were at the same time highly-trained professionals. There must be an easy explanation, but I've never seen it.

    Replies: @oddsbodkins, @International Jew, @Old Jew, @nebulafox

    Read Thomas Sowell about the Chinese in Malaysia. It’s a rather analogous situation- A smart and industrious minority achieving more economically than the majority, despite overt legal discrimination by the majority, typically through quotas.

    Ashkenazi culture has some major advantages over native Russian culture when viewed from a perspective of economic performance. For a start, they don’t drain so many bottles of vodka.

    • Replies: @Rosamond Vincy
    @oddsbodkins

    Chinese Tiger Moms and Jewish Mothers are notorious for pushing their kids to achieve. As opposed to telling the kids to go play in the alley so they can be alone with this week's stepdaddy.

  66. Cato’s analogy works much better when considered from the point of view of Israeli arabs.

  67. @Opinionator
    @kaganovitch

    He seems rabidly anti-White, from what I have read of him. Hard to discount malice.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Massimo Heitor

    He seems rabidly anti-White, from what I have read of him. Hard to discount malice.

    Alex Nowrasteh? He is white. His father is Persian, which IMO, is mostly white.

    Obviously, being white doesn’t exclude being anti-white. Tons of people are completely white and are hardcore devoted to anti-white politics.

    The UN is more overtly anti-white and anti-west.

    Read Alex Nowrasteh’s twitter bio:

    @CatoInstitute’s immigration policy analyst. Globalist. Elitist. Enemy of the American People. Liberalized immigration will enrich the world. Opinions are mine.

    He also posts here: https://openborders.info/blog/author/anowrasteh/

    I find it telling that the Koch Brothers Cato Institute would staff such a radical open border advocate as their “immigration policy analyst”.

    BTW, if you read the more mainline conservative National Review, they are far more immigration restrictionists. They seriously advocate deportations, genuine immigration enforcement, and obeying the will of the people. They praised all of Trump’s immigration moves except when it didn’t go far enough, like they criticize Trump for allowing DACA to continue. They praise everything about Trump’s administration except they hate Trump’s character and Trump himself for some reason I don’t fully comprehend.

    Garett Jones is another great mainstream academic immigration skeptic. He is the GMU economist blogger which is quite popular in this circle. His main viewpoint is: in the short term, the culture makes the outcome for individuals. In the long term, the people make the culture. Pretty obvious, but that supports immigration skepticism.

  68. @Wilkey
    "So this is a perfect guidepost for what would happen if America let in a lot more Mexicans and Muslims"

    Absolutely it is. Understand that once you suggest that people aren't perfectly 100% interchangeable, you're a bigot. You lose. Once you ask why then didn't Israel let in lots of non-Jews you're an anti-Semite. You lose. Once you suggest that the Founders intended this country to be for a particular people you're a selfish pig. You lose. If you have a change of heart and decide that the Founders really were good-hearted men who wanted America to belong to all of humanity then you're denying their bigotry and support for slavery. You lose.

    You can't win. You're not meant to win except to accept whatever bullshit they're peddling this week without question. They're religious fanatics, and that's all you need to know.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Don’t forget classism. The folks from Russia had professional degrees, often in technology…as opposed to cabdrivers, opium farmers, and child soldiers who have their daughters mutilated as children, then beat their wives because they don’t want to have sex.

  69. @Mr. Anon
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "They have also proven to be, for the most part (other than a rise in organized crime), a net benefit to other countries to which they emigrated in large numbers – the USA and Germany."

    That's highly debatable. "Net benefit" means "net benefit". It does not merely mean increase in GDP, if indeed that is even true. There is more to a nation than an economy. The chinese are also a smart and entrepreneurial people. Why doesn't Israel invite in a few million of them?

    "Russia’s long term cultural, scientific and economic decline is directly connected to the rapid decline in Russia’s Jewish population over the last 40 years."

    I am unaware of any reason to believe such a piece of ethnically self-interested propaganda.

    Replies: @anonymous

    I am unaware of any reason to believe such a piece of ethnically self-interested propaganda.

    People who make that statement often neglect to mention the decapitation of the Russian upper classes that took place after the Bolshevik revolution. How much potential human capital was culled from Russia by them?

    • Replies: @guest
    @anonymous

    Yes, Russia went from the fastest-growing future economic powerhouse at the turn of the 20th century to a cemetery/prison society that lost 50 million or whatever people to Bolshevism and the Nazis.

    But it's the missing Jews from the last 40 years. That's the part that really hurts.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @anonymous

    Non-sequitur. The Russian Revolution was a total disaster for Russia, one from which Russia now seems unlikely to ever recover. But Russian Jews were not a big part of that story, despite the anti-Semitic propaganda that tries to claim the contrary. After the genocidal destruction of Russia's aristocracy and merchant classes, as well as the elimination of the educated ethnic Poles and Germans in the Russian Empire, Jews were one of the few groups in the USSR to survive who had real intellectual and cultural links to the glories of the Tsarist past. Now Russia is run by peasants and Chechens. Lenin would no doubt be proud.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mr. Anon

  70. @Old fogey
    @Ben Kurtz

    One of my many defects is that I have never been able to reconcile the claims that the Jews were discriminated against terribly in the Soviet Union with the fact that so many of them who entered the U.S. and/or Israel to escape that awful discrimination were at the same time highly-trained professionals. There must be an easy explanation, but I've never seen it.

    Replies: @oddsbodkins, @International Jew, @Old Jew, @nebulafox

    Discrimination motivates people to work harder. And vice versa. Look at what discrimination has done for African Americans: the bad old days gave us Richard Wright, affirmative action gave us Ta Nehisi Coates.

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    @International Jew

    The analogy with the African-American experience was brilliantly put. Thank you.

  71. @oddsbodkins
    @Old fogey

    Read Thomas Sowell about the Chinese in Malaysia. It's a rather analogous situation- A smart and industrious minority achieving more economically than the majority, despite overt legal discrimination by the majority, typically through quotas.

    Ashkenazi culture has some major advantages over native Russian culture when viewed from a perspective of economic performance. For a start, they don't drain so many bottles of vodka.

    Replies: @Rosamond Vincy

    Chinese Tiger Moms and Jewish Mothers are notorious for pushing their kids to achieve. As opposed to telling the kids to go play in the alley so they can be alone with this week’s stepdaddy.

  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    We are inching ever closer to that Silverado Moment. Where Kevin Kline's character realizes that if he just kills Brian Dennehy's character all his problems go away.

    These religious idiots will never cease their utopian project, requiring mass slaughter of millions to billions to create their heaven on earth. See Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. By contrast the old-line fascists like Alberto Salazar of Portugal, Juan Peron of Argentina, and Francisco Franco of Spain were a much better deal for humanity. Their model of the Catholic Church and aristocracy as primary pillars of society, a rigidly stratified corporatist society, while stasis ridden and repressive did not entail mass slaughter to engineer a perfect humanity; and had the merit of being known and well understood. These men wanted to be Sforza, the Duke of Milan. And considering everything, there were a lot worse things they could have been.

    Even or especially the Pope believes this -- unsurprising from a Latin American Marxist. Never mind any significant Muslim presence will eradicate Christianity in Italy. He need only look at the walls built in the 900s to keep Muslim raiders out to find proof of that.

    Put in religious belief of the true believer -- the Lunch with the FT had an interview with some Russian lady who recorded ordinary people's lives; the only one she ever argued with was some Communist whose wife died in a camp while they were both purged, and told her he was filled with joy when he at least got his Party Card back because "he was part of history and belonged to the believers" or some such nonsense. Add in the female equivalent of men rushing to Thailand for 12 year old hookers -- "Rapefugees welcome! (for aging sluts and fatties)" and the innate desire of women and gays to submit to the most aggressive and stupid group of men and we are doomed to a couple of centuries of ultra-violence.

    Yes Tiny "non-Whites don't like us." So what aside from killing us do you propose to do with us? That part has not been thought out well -- sure the Elite would like to Pol Pot us deplorables but White men have a well earned reputation for carnage on the battlefield. And an appetite for shock battle absent in non-Whites. No one but Whites could have fought the Somme, for example. Muslims and Africans would have run away.

    The White future seems to be ultra-violence against all non-Whites who surround us in a giant sea of seething hostility; restriction of women and gays (who are weaponized beyond numbers by advertising that amplifies their cultural influence) and a society ordered around military service and fighting. Sparta not Athens. What after all are Deplorable Whites going to do when they are suddenly in Mexico-meets-the-Sudan? All die the White Death? Just disappear into Dimension X? Or follow ANY leader who offers them an Israeli style "survival through killing their enemies" path?

    The peace process died when most Israelis felt there was no prospect for real peace just constant war: Gaza, the Intifadas, etc. and figured if they'd fight they'd at least stick around for a while.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @Flip, @Anonymous

    Whiskey, you really have no standing to comment on issues like this. People of your ilk railroaded Patrick Buchanan out of the conservative movement when he was trying to awaken us to this problem over 25 years ago. Even now you often mock Mr. Buchanan in your comments by deliberately misspelling his name.

    Let’s face it you knew what was coming down the pike, but you had other issues that were more important to address than the demographic future of the US and the West. On more than one occasion on this blog your stated, I’m paraphrasing, that the key to the defense of the West was Israel, and that if Israel fell so too would the West.

    Well Israel looks pretty secure today. I doubt it is going to fall anytime soon. But I am not so sanguine about the future prospects of the West. Are you?

  73. We are reaching levels of chutzpah that shouldn’t even be possible.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  74. The Israeli immigration system is designed to reinforce the demographic dominance of the core ethnic group.

    The American equivalent of the Israeli immigration policy would be unlimited immigration of White Evangelicals, combined with a total permanent ban on all other immigrants.

  75. @IHTG
    Perhaps the authors mean to say that America should take in enough immigrants to increase its population by ~20% within the space of a few years, which is what happened in Israel in the 1990s.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Perhaps the authors mean to say that America should take in enough immigrants to increase its population by ~20%

    In American terms, the analog would be getting a 20% population boost made up of northwest Europeans who, once here, take up voting overwhelmingly for the Republican Party.

  76. @Massimo Heitor

    Israel allows unrestricted immigration for world-wide Jews.
     
    Unrestricted immigration for a specific ethno-religious group. That is a pretty big restriction.

    Replies: @Daniil Adamov

    Specific ethnic group, to be fair. (Or even groups – Sephardis are VERY different and distinct from the Ashkenazis, and that’s not bringing in the Ethiopians, all of which were, in theory, equal.) A major feature was that there was no religious test and many of the Jews were only Jews by sometimes non-Galakha descent.

    • Replies: @cucksworth
    @Daniil Adamov

    There are billions of Muslims and most are dirt poor where Sephardis and Ashkenazis are both educated and have the same religious traditions. plus they comprise a tiny percent of humanity and are so oppressed, yet they insist on doing genocide to the Palestinians.

  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jack ryan
    These Libertarian immigration liars, immigration traitors are a real pain in the arse.

    So many push 180% opposite immigration policy for Israel (Jewish Ethno State) and open borders, unrestricted immigration for what remains of the White West in Europe, UK, Australia, USA and Canada.

    They simply just lie that Israel embraces multiculturalism, non racism, progressivism and thus the USA should be like Israel and welcome millions of Muslim and Mexican migrants and Syrian war refugees like Israel.

    Israel and Saudi Arabia accepted Zero Syrian war refugees even though Israel occupies the Syrian Golan Heights.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

    So many push 180% opposite immigration policy for Israel (Jewish Ethno State) and open borders, unrestricted immigration for what remains of the White West in Europe, UK, Australia, USA and Canada.

    Recall back in October 2016, Hungary drew the ire of these people when it announced it was willing to accept Christian refugees from the middle east, but not muslims. So even though Hungary expressed a willingness to accept refugees, because they only wanted the Christian ones they were still criticized.

  78. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Our case study indicates that immigrant participation in the political process is the main mechanism through which the migration caused institutional change.

    You know, I don’t actually doubt this. What I don’t get is why more people aren’t more suspicious of the idea of just “change” without specifying what kind of change it’s going to be.

    Because unless you think the United States is the worst possible country in the world, some changes would obviously be for the worse.

    This seems fairly obvious to me, and I suppose the reason Cato doesn’t work harder to disguise this fact is that they know that almost nobody reads anything they publish, except people looking for arguments for mass migration to appeal to non-leftists.

    You would think, though, that as a supposedly “libertarian” publication, they would at least address the fact that, whatever changes Muslims bring to the US, those changes will almost certainly not lead to increased libertarianism.

  79. Missionaries in the 19th century did not think it practical to encourage the migration of all brown peoples to the West. Why do the zealots of the Cato Institute not consider preaching their good news directly to the natives?

  80. @Ben Kurtz
    Plenty of Russian Jews also made it to America thanks to the Jackson-Vanik amendment (as Steve is fond of pointing out). My not-very-scientific survey seems to suggest that every second one was a highly competent doctor or engineer. And their kids tended to go into medicine, law or engineering as well. A bit of crime and corruption came along with the culture, but I'd easily believe that wave of immigration was a net gain for the U.S. as well as Israel.

    The thing is, my impression is that America used to be pretty good about getting the same result from Muslim immigration -- they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews (whom you could basically let in blindly and assume you were getting high average human capital), but we were willing to screen them and limit their numbers, and through the 1970s and 1980s for the most part we got a steady trickle of educated, professional types who wanted better for their families, had the ability to contribute to our society, and were fairly willing to assimilate into mainstream U.S. culture. The Persians fleeing the '79 revolution in Iran tend to be okay on average -- at least the ones we saw fit to admit to America at the time. The Muslim world is so big that there are plenty of good apples out there, even if good apples only constitute a small fraction of that entire population.

    We jumped the shark, though, when we started letting masses of "Stabby Somalis" and similar on the pretext they were "refugees," without screening and without regard to human capital or willingness to assimilate.

    It's time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    Replies: @anon, @Old fogey, @utu, @Opinionator, @nebulafox, @RonaldB

    “Russian Jews also made it to America thanks to the Jackson-Vanik amendment ”

    Lots of old people came who right away qualified for public assistance and public housing. Getting exit visa in USSR if you were young was not that easy.

  81. @Thea
    Didn't the Soviet Union have a 100% literacy rate by 1990? Just like Afghan goat herders.

    What is the plan for Israel after the West becomes an Islamic version of Brazil?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Didn’t the Soviet Union have a 100% literacy rate by 1990?

    Yes, any one of them could read 100% of the Communist Manifesto.

    (OK, that joke would have worked better for 1958.)

    It is true about the Afghan goat herders’ literacy too. Any of them could read 100% of the Karma Goatra.

    Speaking of 100% … skip to 01:05 if you are pressed for time:

  82. @Whiskey
    We are inching ever closer to that Silverado Moment. Where Kevin Kline's character realizes that if he just kills Brian Dennehy's character all his problems go away.

    These religious idiots will never cease their utopian project, requiring mass slaughter of millions to billions to create their heaven on earth. See Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. By contrast the old-line fascists like Alberto Salazar of Portugal, Juan Peron of Argentina, and Francisco Franco of Spain were a much better deal for humanity. Their model of the Catholic Church and aristocracy as primary pillars of society, a rigidly stratified corporatist society, while stasis ridden and repressive did not entail mass slaughter to engineer a perfect humanity; and had the merit of being known and well understood. These men wanted to be Sforza, the Duke of Milan. And considering everything, there were a lot worse things they could have been.

    Even or especially the Pope believes this -- unsurprising from a Latin American Marxist. Never mind any significant Muslim presence will eradicate Christianity in Italy. He need only look at the walls built in the 900s to keep Muslim raiders out to find proof of that.

    Put in religious belief of the true believer -- the Lunch with the FT had an interview with some Russian lady who recorded ordinary people's lives; the only one she ever argued with was some Communist whose wife died in a camp while they were both purged, and told her he was filled with joy when he at least got his Party Card back because "he was part of history and belonged to the believers" or some such nonsense. Add in the female equivalent of men rushing to Thailand for 12 year old hookers -- "Rapefugees welcome! (for aging sluts and fatties)" and the innate desire of women and gays to submit to the most aggressive and stupid group of men and we are doomed to a couple of centuries of ultra-violence.

    Yes Tiny "non-Whites don't like us." So what aside from killing us do you propose to do with us? That part has not been thought out well -- sure the Elite would like to Pol Pot us deplorables but White men have a well earned reputation for carnage on the battlefield. And an appetite for shock battle absent in non-Whites. No one but Whites could have fought the Somme, for example. Muslims and Africans would have run away.

    The White future seems to be ultra-violence against all non-Whites who surround us in a giant sea of seething hostility; restriction of women and gays (who are weaponized beyond numbers by advertising that amplifies their cultural influence) and a society ordered around military service and fighting. Sparta not Athens. What after all are Deplorable Whites going to do when they are suddenly in Mexico-meets-the-Sudan? All die the White Death? Just disappear into Dimension X? Or follow ANY leader who offers them an Israeli style "survival through killing their enemies" path?

    The peace process died when most Israelis felt there was no prospect for real peace just constant war: Gaza, the Intifadas, etc. and figured if they'd fight they'd at least stick around for a while.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @Flip, @Anonymous

    I would be the first man to his feet to start the standing ovation for this one, Whiskey.

  83. @biz
    @The Alarmist

    What problem is Israel having with African (assume you are referring to Ethiopian) Jews? They are generally law-abiding and assimilated, and achieving reasonably well in the military and politics.

    Israel was having a big problem with (non-Jewish) African asylum seekers, but they seem to have decided to take other paths to Europe lately.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Opinionator, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Some of the same problems every country with a black minority deals with: poorer outcomes leading to allegations of discrimination.

  84. @Old fogey
    @Ben Kurtz

    One of my many defects is that I have never been able to reconcile the claims that the Jews were discriminated against terribly in the Soviet Union with the fact that so many of them who entered the U.S. and/or Israel to escape that awful discrimination were at the same time highly-trained professionals. There must be an easy explanation, but I've never seen it.

    Replies: @oddsbodkins, @International Jew, @Old Jew, @nebulafox

    So this friend of mine, was not admitted to Engineering School in Moscow (Jewish family name) so he went to Perm. Thus his degree is from Perm. (Ural Mountains?) Still an Engineer.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Old Jew

    So this friend of mine, was not admitted to Engineering School in Moscow (Jewish family name) so he went to Perm.

    This isn't proof that he was discriminated against - let alone persecuted as was asserted in the big advertising campaign in the US to support Jews leaving the USSR. I didn't get into Cal Tech, does that mean I was persecuted?

    Replies: @wrd9

  85. @Ben Kurtz
    Plenty of Russian Jews also made it to America thanks to the Jackson-Vanik amendment (as Steve is fond of pointing out). My not-very-scientific survey seems to suggest that every second one was a highly competent doctor or engineer. And their kids tended to go into medicine, law or engineering as well. A bit of crime and corruption came along with the culture, but I'd easily believe that wave of immigration was a net gain for the U.S. as well as Israel.

    The thing is, my impression is that America used to be pretty good about getting the same result from Muslim immigration -- they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews (whom you could basically let in blindly and assume you were getting high average human capital), but we were willing to screen them and limit their numbers, and through the 1970s and 1980s for the most part we got a steady trickle of educated, professional types who wanted better for their families, had the ability to contribute to our society, and were fairly willing to assimilate into mainstream U.S. culture. The Persians fleeing the '79 revolution in Iran tend to be okay on average -- at least the ones we saw fit to admit to America at the time. The Muslim world is so big that there are plenty of good apples out there, even if good apples only constitute a small fraction of that entire population.

    We jumped the shark, though, when we started letting masses of "Stabby Somalis" and similar on the pretext they were "refugees," without screening and without regard to human capital or willingness to assimilate.

    It's time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    Replies: @anon, @Old fogey, @utu, @Opinionator, @nebulafox, @RonaldB

    And their kids tended to go into medicine, law or engineering as well. A bit of crime and corruption came along with the culture, but I’d easily believe that wave of immigration was a net gain for the U.S. as well as Israel.

    No it wasn’t. They displaced Americans from the highest paying professions.

  86. To those of you wondering whether these Cato guys are serious: yes they are. I used to know a lot of people in the beltway libertarian racket and I still see lots of their posts on facebook. They really believe this crap.

  87. @The Z Blog
    The problem for Cato and most libertarians is they think libertarianism is a rational political philosophy. Their attempts to make it so eventually causes madness.

    The truth is, libertarians are mostly white males who are afraid of being yelled at by liberal women. I used to see it when I lived in Boston. At parties, there was always a few gals looking to lecture some poor slob about abortion so the easy was to avoid it was to say you were a libertarian.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @Achmed E. Newman

    At parties, there was always a few gals looking to lecture some poor slob about abortion

    Sounds like you went to fun parties.

  88. @Achmed E. Newman
    @syonredux

    I was going to write the same thing, Syonredux, with Steve's paragraph about these newcomers of the same culture bringing in their problems anyway notwithstanding.

    I don't know how these Cato guys passed the SAT's. You gotta be able to do those analogies. I wonder about another thing too: Libertarians can't be completely stupid, as they understand economics, which relates to human behavior, in the way that the Statists don't - how can they be so ignorant when it comes to other aspects of human behavior? Or, is it possible that some of the supposedly libertarian organizations have been infiltrated, or even blackmailed like the Sierra Club?

    Replies: @RonaldB, @guest

    I used to be a libertarian, which has a fatal flaw. Libertarians regard humans as interchangeable commodities, with economic unit price as the highest value. They totally ignore identity politics, which gives a cohesive group the ability to disproportionately influence government and accrue undeserved resources and influence to themselves. Even in a non-democracy, an identity group is superb at practicing intimidation and getting privileges.

    The stock libertarian reply for unskilled immigrants is that in a totally libertarian environment, there would be no government benefits, so any immigrant unable to contribute would either leave or starve.

    Right.

    See identity politics.

    There is another flaw in the libertarian economic view of man and markets. It’s true that in a totally free market for international trade, you get the lowest price per unit good. However, the unit of value is the dollar and not happiness. Totally open markets can put indigenous farmers, craftsmen, or even managers out of jobs, devastating the local culture and economy. Protected markets may raise the price of goods, but may provide a safer, culturally homogeneous, and supportive environment far conducive to individual happiness. So, the net benefit to happiness of a protected market can offset the pure economic costs.

    Of course, in any protected market, there’s always the problem of rent-seeking or shutting out legitimate competition, even domestic competition.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    @RonaldB

    Good comments, RonaldB, on libertarianism's blind spots.

    I used to attend local meetings of libertarians back in the 1990s, and I'll allow they were among the finest people I've met in my life. One was a WWII paratrooper and later CPA, an upright man of old Puritan stock, who, some time in the 1970s, decided the government he'd served had gone deeply wrong.

    Still, libertarians do have a frame of mind that has it that everybody is predisposed to being a yeoman farmer on the American frontier, if only government would get out of the way. They just don't think much about the power of huge collectivities, such as corporations or nation-states, or races or ethnicities. You're right about identity politics having a primal power over individual liberties. (My guess is Unz Review wouldn't exist if we still held the liberties of yesteryear.)

    I still think libertarian as a sort of default position when thinking about the schemes our masters cook up for us, even though I'm damned sure we don't live anywhere close to a libertarian world.

    Replies: @anon

    , @anon
    @RonaldB

    The stock libertarian reply for unskilled immigrants is that in a totally libertarian environment, there would be no government benefits, so any immigrant unable to contribute would either leave or starve.

    And they also seem to have the idea that people would just let themselves starve, too, rather than turning violent before that happens, and making everyone's life miserable.

    Plus, they always seem to be in such a hurry to bring the immigrants in, before their libertarian utopia actually arrives, never thinking about the fact that the presence of these people makes the eventual libertarian society harder to achieve.

  89. @Old fogey
    @Ben Kurtz

    One of my many defects is that I have never been able to reconcile the claims that the Jews were discriminated against terribly in the Soviet Union with the fact that so many of them who entered the U.S. and/or Israel to escape that awful discrimination were at the same time highly-trained professionals. There must be an easy explanation, but I've never seen it.

    Replies: @oddsbodkins, @International Jew, @Old Jew, @nebulafox

    The contradiction is not a real one. In fact, their overwhelmingly bourgeois status probably enhanced native animus against them.

    The Jews in 1930s Germany were arguably the most valuable human capital in modern history, but it didn’t stop the Nazis from chasing them out. A similar analogue can be found with the Chinese of Southeast Asia, and the Koreans got hit hard in the 1992 LA riots for a reason. An unusually extreme example are the South Asians of East Africa. Etc, etc. Envy is a powerful weapon for demagogues.

    • Replies: @Old fogey
    @nebulafox

    But surely the point is how they achieved that "overwhelmingly bourgeois status" despite the discrimination. It is hard to believe that the situation was so dire when you see that they were able to overcome it so easily.

  90. And Ariel Sharon got elected Prime Minister by the new voters he invited in. And the peace process went bye-bye. And Israel built a lot of fences on its borders to keep illegal infiltrators out. And a lot of the Russians/Israelis moved on to North Hollywood and got jobs as bodyguards for billionaires in the Hollywood Hills.

    Is this for real? Ariel Sharon was elected PM nine years after the Soviet Union dissolved. He won an unequaled landslide consequent to the implosion of the Oslo process, which was in turn driven by the internal dynamics of Arab politics. The country was awash in political violence and at that point generally realized that Arafat and Co had been stringing them along for 7 years. The Labor Party lost most of its electoral base, and that’s something for which the dispositions of post-Soviet immigrants can account for only a small fraction. You cannot have a ‘peace process’ because Israel has no one with whom to negotiate.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    What you refer to as "the implosion of the Oslo process" was in fact caused by fanatical jewish colonization of the West Bank (and even Gaza) during the Barak regime--at a time when the sides were supposed to be moving toward peace and two separate independent states.

    We're still waiting for a citation to your claim that Israel has offered to relinquish the West Bank.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  91. Anonymous [AKA "OT but"] says:

    OT but Steve’s old stomping grounds:

    Steppenwolf theater in Chicago puts on a black ripoff of Godot (“Pass Over”) in which the deus ex caucasia is a white cop shooting one or both of them at the end.

    White reviewer Hedy Weiss for the Sun Times gives it a “somewhat recommended” review but has problems with the end.
    http://chicago.suntimes.com/entertainment/pass-over-envisions-a-godot-like-endgame-for-young-black-men/

    A group of artists with Stalinesque name of the “Chicago Theater Accountability Coalition” go after her because “she is not willing to work with us to create a positive environment. She has proven this repeatedly with the racism, homophobia, and body shaming found in her reviews.” Petition started to blacklist her.
    https://www.change.org/p/the-chicago-theater-community-stop-inviting-hedy-weiss-to-your-productions

    Tribune reports today the blacklist threats have been working:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/theater/ct-hedy-weiss-coalition-ent-0623-20170622-story.html

    Pull quote: “This is about culturally white theater spaces and the white critics who preserve systemic inequity. Hedy is just a white person aligned with whiteness, no surprise there. ”

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous

    Haha, I like your handle - just start off with "Steve ..."

    Anyway to keep things off topic here, your comment had me feeling a blog post coming up from down deep in my intestinal/bile-duct region, well somewhere in my thorax, to say the following about your info. on the Chicago Theater scene (which I couldn't give a rat's ass about otherwise):

    These people, with their boycotts, blacklists, purges, etc - they are not really the kind of crowd that can be doing this sort of thing. It's not gonna work out for them the way they think. Why? See the Nazis, Bolsheviks, Red Guards, all those totalitarians, were also evil, but they had a modicum of intelligence and skill. But for this new crowd of totalitarians, the gay/lesbo/black/SJW ones, do they not realize that they can't shut the straight white males out of the Theater business completely or any other industry. We built everything, and still build everything. What are you going to do if we leave?

    Listen totalitarian theater people: None of the stuff that you want to block the white people from will be around were you to get your way. You can't do squat but complain! Think this over a while, cause we'll have a riot trying to watch you organize a play, build the stage, work the logistics, and make enough money to do it again. We'll be watching you all on youtube laughing our asses off!

  92. What a bizarre comparison!

  93. @dr kill
    @asdf

    I also especially enjoy the phrase 'synthetic control methodology'. English is a great language, isn't it? The hockey stick / climate change crowd would do well to use synthetic control methodology instead of computer modelling. It sounds so much more scientific.
    I can't believe I used to read everything CATO. Is there anything remaining that's not been converged?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    The hockey stick / climate change crowd would do well to use synthetic control methodology instead of computer modelling. It sounds so much more scientific.

    I think by now, it is too late for them to climb out of the trench of stupidity that they have dug themselves into.* The technical people won’t get fooled by bogus terminology, and the non-technical people have heard and read some much hypocritical bullshit that they quit listening a while ago.

    I can’t believe I used to read everything CATO. Is there anything remaining that’s not been converged?

    I could say the same. However, it’s not like they’re wrong about that much; it’s that they feel that their analysis is too clean to add human factors to – that would muck-up the math. If your model doesn’t include all factors, it’s not gonna work, and it probably won’t work without a lot of tweeking even if it does. By, “converged”, do you mean infiltrated or co-opted?

    * It’s like the backhoe is in deeper than its whole boom can reach and there’s no room to build a ramp. They;d call for a porta-potty and a truck crane but left their phones and radios up top. (OK, I like dirt, but this analogy is running out of steam.)

  94. @Art Deco
    And Ariel Sharon got elected Prime Minister by the new voters he invited in. And the peace process went bye-bye. And Israel built a lot of fences on its borders to keep illegal infiltrators out. And a lot of the Russians/Israelis moved on to North Hollywood and got jobs as bodyguards for billionaires in the Hollywood Hills.

    Is this for real? Ariel Sharon was elected PM nine years after the Soviet Union dissolved. He won an unequaled landslide consequent to the implosion of the Oslo process, which was in turn driven by the internal dynamics of Arab politics. The country was awash in political violence and at that point generally realized that Arafat and Co had been stringing them along for 7 years. The Labor Party lost most of its electoral base, and that's something for which the dispositions of post-Soviet immigrants can account for only a small fraction. You cannot have a 'peace process' because Israel has no one with whom to negotiate.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    What you refer to as “the implosion of the Oslo process” was in fact caused by fanatical jewish colonization of the West Bank (and even Gaza) during the Barak regime–at a time when the sides were supposed to be moving toward peace and two separate independent states.

    We’re still waiting for a citation to your claim that Israel has offered to relinquish the West Bank.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Actually, no. It was caused by a summary rejection of a series of proposals made by Ehud Barak, and then the launching of the 2d intifada. Agency. Maybe someday you'll understand it.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Opinionator

  95. @JackOH
    Among libertarians, the Cato Institute and equivalent state think tanks, such as Ohio's Buckeye Institute, are thought of as Beltway captives and trimmers seeking patronage. Yes, read what they have to say, then step back and ask what a more robust, fully articulated libertarian position would read like.

    Hans-Hermann Hoppe and others have noted the obvious, that free market economics are not inconsistent with tight control of borders and immigration once you consider economic externalities and quantifiable "frictional costs".

    I've already mentioned my view that America's genuine successes may have come about despite mass immigration, not because of it.

    Replies: @Lot, @Seamus Padraig, @RonaldB

    As I mentioned in my other comment, optimal price per unit is not the same as optimal happiness. A protected market, while totally antithetical to libertarian philosophy, may optimize happiness of the citizenry, if done correctly.

  96. @Ben Kurtz
    Plenty of Russian Jews also made it to America thanks to the Jackson-Vanik amendment (as Steve is fond of pointing out). My not-very-scientific survey seems to suggest that every second one was a highly competent doctor or engineer. And their kids tended to go into medicine, law or engineering as well. A bit of crime and corruption came along with the culture, but I'd easily believe that wave of immigration was a net gain for the U.S. as well as Israel.

    The thing is, my impression is that America used to be pretty good about getting the same result from Muslim immigration -- they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews (whom you could basically let in blindly and assume you were getting high average human capital), but we were willing to screen them and limit their numbers, and through the 1970s and 1980s for the most part we got a steady trickle of educated, professional types who wanted better for their families, had the ability to contribute to our society, and were fairly willing to assimilate into mainstream U.S. culture. The Persians fleeing the '79 revolution in Iran tend to be okay on average -- at least the ones we saw fit to admit to America at the time. The Muslim world is so big that there are plenty of good apples out there, even if good apples only constitute a small fraction of that entire population.

    We jumped the shark, though, when we started letting masses of "Stabby Somalis" and similar on the pretext they were "refugees," without screening and without regard to human capital or willingness to assimilate.

    It's time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    Replies: @anon, @Old fogey, @utu, @Opinionator, @nebulafox, @RonaldB

    More than OK: Persian-Americans are up there as one of the highest performing ethnic groups that the US has. Tons of scientists, doctors, very model minority group. Similarly, the (heavily Maronite, but also a fair amount of Sunni) Lebanese in Brazil do extremely well, too, so this goes beyond the US. However, you need to look at the type of socioeconomic demographic that would flee something like the Iranian Revolution or the Lebanese Civil War, and go halfway around the world to places with lesser welfare systems than more nearby Europe. Usually educated middle class types who intend to stay in their new homeland, or those parents who will move heaven and earth to make sure their children are so. The American legal immigration system is very rigorous. You only go through that if you are really, really determined to.

    American Muslims are a very high performing group, as a rule, unlike in Europe. They are frequently highly educated, most speak fluent English, and they as a rule see no contradiction between Western norms/American citizenship and their religion. But this is for a reason: we get to pick from the cream of the crop, just like everywhere else in the world. Our own low-skilled labor influx typically comes from Central America instead of the Muslim World thanks to location. It makes zero sense to come to America from the Muslim World if you a poorly educated young male who is unlikely to assimilate-our welfare sucks compared to Europe, anyway.

    A major exception to all of this is the Somalis of Minnesota that we’ve let in as refugees. They fit “European trends”, and it should disturb everybody here that our elite thinks more of that is a good thing.

    >It’s time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    My old roommate was a highly assimilated Pakistani physicist who’d agree. He was a devout Sunni Muslim who wanted his religion respected. Yet he sincerely loathed jihadists with a fervor that would shock your typical Western bien-pensant (remember, they’ve caused a lot more pain in Muslim countries than they do in the West), was very clear in our conversations that he thought the Europeans had collectively lost their minds when they decided to open the borders, and was more than a little annoyed that the New York Times regularly lumped him and other legal immigrants (it took him several years and a Phd to go for US citizenship) in with low-skilled illegal aliens from Central America that were responsible for a lot of the local drug trade.

    *Not all immigrants are equal*. A Russian computer genius who’d otherwise be working for the Mafia or an Iranian physicist who’d otherwise be working on the bomb program or a Chinese bioengineer who wants to create a startup brings a lot more net value to the United States than yet more low-skilled labor from Central America or nearly illiterate, ill-adjusted young male refugees from the most backwards parts of the Muslim World.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @nebulafox

    More than OK: Persian-Americans are up there as one of the highest performing ethnic groups that the US has. Tons of scientists, doctors, very model minority group.

    "Highest performing" is a euphemism for "most displacing." We can produce our own scientists and doctors. We don't need imports.

    , @anon
    @nebulafox

    He was a devout Sunni Muslim who wanted his religion respected. Yet he sincerely loathed jihadists with a fervor that would shock your typical Western bien-pensant (remember, they’ve caused a lot more pain in Muslim countries than they do in the West)

    Everybody says this, but it simply isn't true. Just last weekend, after all, they planned a march for Muslims, where they could show off how much they hated terrorism, but none of them showed up.

    It seems like it would make sense that Muslims would hate terrorism, because they're the victims of it, but it also seems like it would make sense that black people would hate black criminals the most, because they're the ones who are the main victims of them.

    But every time a cop shoots a black kid in self-defense, whose side do they take, without exception? That's right, the black thug's.

    Or like how a friend of the Manchester bomber's supposedly warned the cops about him. Even if that's true, was he upset enough about his jihadism to stop being friends with him? Apparently not.

    So, frankly, I don't believe the story that this Pakistani dated terrorism that much.

    , @currahee
    @nebulafox

    True, but all of their kids are SJW or majorly cucked.

  97. @biz
    @The Alarmist

    What problem is Israel having with African (assume you are referring to Ethiopian) Jews? They are generally law-abiding and assimilated, and achieving reasonably well in the military and politics.

    Israel was having a big problem with (non-Jewish) African asylum seekers, but they seem to have decided to take other paths to Europe lately.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Opinionator, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Israel was having a big problem with (non-Jewish) African asylum seekers, but they seem to have decided to take other paths to Europe lately.

    Kind of like how many Jews living in Germany in the 1930s seemed to decide to seek their fortunes in the United States and elsewhere.

    • Replies: @biz
    @Opinionator

    Let me make sure I understand... Your knowledge of history is that Jews in 1930s Germany moved there from elsewhere, supposedly in transit to somewhere else, and while there were given housing stipends and free health care?

    Replies: @Opinionator

  98. If this is such a brilliant idea, suggest Benjamin Powell, J. R. Clark, and Alex Nowrasteh all welcome the opening of a mosque next to their homes. Or next to Cato, around the corner from Heritage, opposite AEI. Enjoy the call to prayer, probably over a shitty loudspeaker (Obama’s favorite sound), 5 times each day. Along with cab drivers making a mess of parking every Friday.

  99. @Anonym
    I used to like the Cato institute and libertarianism before I had experienced mass immigration.

    I think all of the mass immigration must be promoted by a war profiteering cabal going long on small arms, ammunition and explosives manufacturers. It seems they want to have enough immigration to make the conclusion of the impending wars somewhat in doubt, to maximise the guns and ammo expenditure.

    Replies: @RonaldB

    In the dream-world of libertarianism, the absence of welfare will ensure that those immigrants unable to support themselves will either leave or starve. The super-efficient private police service will nip any terror in the bud, and the privately-patrolled streets will be free of crime. Any criminal who does get through the super-efficient private police patrol will be shot by the always-armed private citizen when accosted.

    Thus, immigration of genetically-inferior, third-world criminals will hardly be a blip in the super-efficient, private-market, libertarian world.

  100. I corresponded with a decent Jewish guy who’s a law professor in the Midwest. He was trying to do very modest patriotic immigration (restrictionist) activism in his college/community, but was not having any success.

    I told him of my experience in this area, especially in the Jewish community – (Some of my best friends are/were Jews – that’s true).

    We both came to the conclusion that Americans Jews are overwhelmingly terrible on immigration, it’s virtually impossible to get many/any to even oppose keeping out Islamic extremists, rapid anti Jewish migrants.

    So we just closed by trying to take the position that Jewish Americans are very good at many things and are decent good people in many or even most areas.

    But, American Jews just #*$&# on immigration – and many, most will have completely different views about immigration to Israel (restricted to Jewish people to keep Israel a Jewish ethno state. Israel is to have strong border walls, controls to keep out all illegal aliens. But the United States and “The West” must not have any immigration restrictions, border walls and the entire world, including the entire Islamic world has some fundamentalist right to move to the United States. Anyone who says or even thinks differently is a racist NAZI.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @jack ryan

    So we just closed by trying to take the position that Jewish Americans are very good at many things and are decent good people in many or even most areas.

    Jews are generally #*$&# on anything that is designed to screw whites like affirmative action.

  101. @Whiskey
    We are inching ever closer to that Silverado Moment. Where Kevin Kline's character realizes that if he just kills Brian Dennehy's character all his problems go away.

    These religious idiots will never cease their utopian project, requiring mass slaughter of millions to billions to create their heaven on earth. See Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. By contrast the old-line fascists like Alberto Salazar of Portugal, Juan Peron of Argentina, and Francisco Franco of Spain were a much better deal for humanity. Their model of the Catholic Church and aristocracy as primary pillars of society, a rigidly stratified corporatist society, while stasis ridden and repressive did not entail mass slaughter to engineer a perfect humanity; and had the merit of being known and well understood. These men wanted to be Sforza, the Duke of Milan. And considering everything, there were a lot worse things they could have been.

    Even or especially the Pope believes this -- unsurprising from a Latin American Marxist. Never mind any significant Muslim presence will eradicate Christianity in Italy. He need only look at the walls built in the 900s to keep Muslim raiders out to find proof of that.

    Put in religious belief of the true believer -- the Lunch with the FT had an interview with some Russian lady who recorded ordinary people's lives; the only one she ever argued with was some Communist whose wife died in a camp while they were both purged, and told her he was filled with joy when he at least got his Party Card back because "he was part of history and belonged to the believers" or some such nonsense. Add in the female equivalent of men rushing to Thailand for 12 year old hookers -- "Rapefugees welcome! (for aging sluts and fatties)" and the innate desire of women and gays to submit to the most aggressive and stupid group of men and we are doomed to a couple of centuries of ultra-violence.

    Yes Tiny "non-Whites don't like us." So what aside from killing us do you propose to do with us? That part has not been thought out well -- sure the Elite would like to Pol Pot us deplorables but White men have a well earned reputation for carnage on the battlefield. And an appetite for shock battle absent in non-Whites. No one but Whites could have fought the Somme, for example. Muslims and Africans would have run away.

    The White future seems to be ultra-violence against all non-Whites who surround us in a giant sea of seething hostility; restriction of women and gays (who are weaponized beyond numbers by advertising that amplifies their cultural influence) and a society ordered around military service and fighting. Sparta not Athens. What after all are Deplorable Whites going to do when they are suddenly in Mexico-meets-the-Sudan? All die the White Death? Just disappear into Dimension X? Or follow ANY leader who offers them an Israeli style "survival through killing their enemies" path?

    The peace process died when most Israelis felt there was no prospect for real peace just constant war: Gaza, the Intifadas, etc. and figured if they'd fight they'd at least stick around for a while.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @Flip, @Anonymous

    The Saxon will begin to hate at some point.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Flip


    The Saxon will begin to hate at some point.
     
    The problem for Whiskey is that he is not a Saxon.
  102. @Ben Kurtz
    Plenty of Russian Jews also made it to America thanks to the Jackson-Vanik amendment (as Steve is fond of pointing out). My not-very-scientific survey seems to suggest that every second one was a highly competent doctor or engineer. And their kids tended to go into medicine, law or engineering as well. A bit of crime and corruption came along with the culture, but I'd easily believe that wave of immigration was a net gain for the U.S. as well as Israel.

    The thing is, my impression is that America used to be pretty good about getting the same result from Muslim immigration -- they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews (whom you could basically let in blindly and assume you were getting high average human capital), but we were willing to screen them and limit their numbers, and through the 1970s and 1980s for the most part we got a steady trickle of educated, professional types who wanted better for their families, had the ability to contribute to our society, and were fairly willing to assimilate into mainstream U.S. culture. The Persians fleeing the '79 revolution in Iran tend to be okay on average -- at least the ones we saw fit to admit to America at the time. The Muslim world is so big that there are plenty of good apples out there, even if good apples only constitute a small fraction of that entire population.

    We jumped the shark, though, when we started letting masses of "Stabby Somalis" and similar on the pretext they were "refugees," without screening and without regard to human capital or willingness to assimilate.

    It's time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    Replies: @anon, @Old fogey, @utu, @Opinionator, @nebulafox, @RonaldB

    “Muslim immigration — they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews ”

    There are several problems with this construction.

    You can screen Muslims and allow in only the peaceful, well-educated, productive ones. As long as they remain a very small minority you won’t have a problem, at least with the original immigrants.

    But, since you’re skimming the cream off the very top of the MENA population, regression to the mean kicks in, and the children have lower-level skills, work ethics and intelligence from what you’d expect from a European population of that intelligence.

    And, Islam itself is a subversive and expansionist theology. As long as a Muslim is a Muslim, he will give allegiance to Muslim supremacy. If he doesn’t, he might as well stop being a Muslim. So, even the peaceful and productive Muslim immigrants will give financial and political support to the more supremacist groups such as CAIR and the various and numerous Muslim advancement societies. Which put political pressure on government officials to go easy on Muslims and kick back on surveillance. And of course, they promote public support for Muslim charter schools, where their children learn the pure doctrines of Islamic supremacy at public expense.

    In short, it’s the self-advancing leveraging effect of an initially-peaceful and integrated group working to increase its own presence.

    The correct number of Muslims to have is exactly the number we already have, and not one more. Note, I am not calling for the expulsion of Muslims who are already citizens. We made that decision, so we have to live with it.

    • Replies: @ATX Hipster
    @RonaldB


    The correct number of Muslims to have is exactly the number we already have, and not one more. Note, I am not calling for the expulsion of Muslims who are already citizens. We made that decision, so we have to live with it.
     
    Well unless you're willing to support a coercive sterilization program, that number will increase, and Western-born Dervishes don't seem to care for the Great Satan much more than their co-religionists in the ME. I'd rather we brought that number closer to zero.

    Our supposed representatives may have made that decision for us (the American people sure as hell didn't) but I'd be happy to use my tax dollars to avoid living with it by paying Muslims handsomely to emigrate to a Muslim nation of their choosing, or a European nation eager to become Islamicized, with a permanent prohibition to re-entry to the United States.
    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @RonaldB

    "You can screen Muslims and allow in only the peaceful, well-educated, productive ones. "

    Which ones are those? Show us the 100% full proof method from which they can be screened. Its not as though the US is obligated to allow anyone from any particular nation in for perpetuity, if it so decided not to.

    But do show the 100% full proof method for screening and finding the peaceful good ones.

    , @Frau Katze
    @RonaldB

    The problem with Muslims is Islam.

    It's a nasty violent political ideology masquerading as a religion.

    Furthermore, even picking the best of them as immigrants doesn't help. There's the descendants to think of. They decide to "find themselves" and a few become radical lunatics.

    And even more: they proselytize like crazy.

    Their ideology is specific: they are meant to take over the entire world.

    , @wrd9
    @RonaldB

    If you peruse Mother Jones's mass shooting database, you'd find that Muslims are overrepresented. They don't say that explicitly as you have to dig around although they do admit that blacks and asians are overrepresented. Not a good sign as the US diversifies.

  103. @Yak-15
    OT

    California is banning state funded employee travel to certain states over bathroom bills.

    Is this real life...?

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/the-state-worker/article157688724.html

    Replies: @RonaldB

    Lol.

    Yeah. We in Texas have to do without the benefit of the presence of California state employees unless they pay their own way.

    Oh, the horror, the horror!!!!

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @RonaldB

    The state is near bankrupt and they still send employees to unnecessary conferences. What are they even doing on these trips?

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @RonaldB


    California is banning state funded employee travel to certain states over bathroom bills.
     
    Yeah, there's a bright side to everything. Nobody forecast that this BLT/G thing would result in cost savings for California taxpayer! (unless I've missed a Cato Institute paper; listen guys, I can't be reading the whole internet!)
  104. @Mr. Anon
    @Opinionator

    The old saying goes:

    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity".

    I'm beginning to think it ought properly to be reversed.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Yeah. What are the odds Mr. Nowrasteh identifies with the core American people, versus views them with a mixture of fear and contempt?

  105. @Daniel H
    It is claimed that Ariel Sharon was of Subbotnik descent, Subbotniks being a sect of Russian Slavs who Judaized over decades and centuries, so he was probably naturally conditioned to feel comfortable around quasi-Jew Slavs and Judeophile Slavs. Probably not so comfortable around Ethiopian faux-Jews and inbred, semi-retarded Yemeni Jews.

    I have heard that there are a substantial number of New Mexicans, Mexicans and other Mestizo Americans (North, Central and South) who have convinced themselves that they are Jews, having maintained a 500 years long tradition of crypto-Judaism, despite having been forcibly converted to Catholicism during the Inquisition. Maybe we can start a campaign to divert these inevitable migrants to our land, from our land to Israel, their true homeland. I'm certain that the Cato institute and Bill Kristol would celebrate the rightful return of 20 million Mestizo American Jews to their rightful homeland, Israel.

    Replies: @RonaldB, @Flip

    I met a Converso (Spanish/Mexican crypto-Jew) who had a dramatic story and who became a full Jew and went around to synagogues telling her history. She was also a surgeon, and no mestizo.

    I don’t have any doubt all kinds of people will try to get on a bandwagon that seems to have some gravy associated with it. But, the story of the crypto-Jews is real. How you react is your own affair, but the reality is there.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @RonaldB

    The low cost of DNA analysis will soon settle the matter, but I don't buy these bullshit stories (we would light a candle several times per year.....my father always hated pork.....etc, etc...).

    In case you haven't noticed, it is uncool to be a Christian these days, uncool in Latin America as much as it is here in the north (Upwardly striving Latin Americans are generally shallow people) , whereas it is very cool to be a Jew. There have been many converts to Judaism recently (celebrities, politicians, academics, ordinary spouses of Jews, Africans, obscure peoples from the Indian subcontinent, so many that the Jews don't even want all these people). And who wouldn't want to be Jewish today? This small nation commands wealth, attention, political power, social and business success and GRIEVANCE, GRIEVANCE, GRIEVANCE (the most powerful factor when dealing with a post Christian people still saddled subconsciously with Christian guilt and altruism). What's the downside of converting to Judaism? Damn, I may think about converting myself.

    We will know when we have reached peak Judaism when lots of authentic, real shtetel Jews (tired of all these faux Jews running around) start abandoning Judaism and embrace Roman Catholicism. It happened before.

  106. German White Woman Completes Her ‘Transition’ Into a Black Woman

    Move over Rachel Dolezal, there’s someone else out there with even more issues. German “model” Martina Adam, also known as Martina Big (because of her insanely huge breast implants and appearances on Botched), has completed her transition into a “black” woman.

    Adam also has spoken out about her experiences as a “black” woman and has complained about people not believing that her passport is valid.

    “I’m a black girl with black hair, so I have to change very soon my passport,” Adam says in the video below.

    Just so you know, I’m currently sitting at my computer contemplating life. Not mine, but hers. What went wrong? When did it go wrong? Why didn’t anyone intervene? Who is the doctor doing all of this mess? These are just a few of the questions circulating around in my head.

    And before all you bigots start asking why it’s OK to change your gender but not OK to change your race, here’s a video from a Woke transgender activist:

    And before the question pops up for the millionth time as to why it’s OK to be transgender and not “transracial,” I’ll let transgender activist and writer Kat Blaque explain:

    http://thegrapevine.theroot.com/german-white-woman-completes-her-transition-into-a-blac-1796362130

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @syonredux

    She needs more sunscreen.

  107. @The Z Blog
    The problem for Cato and most libertarians is they think libertarianism is a rational political philosophy. Their attempts to make it so eventually causes madness.

    The truth is, libertarians are mostly white males who are afraid of being yelled at by liberal women. I used to see it when I lived in Boston. At parties, there was always a few gals looking to lecture some poor slob about abortion so the easy was to avoid it was to say you were a libertarian.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @Achmed E. Newman

    Nah, Zman, this libertarian does not agree with your theory. Just the premise of talking to women about politics at a party negates any conclusions you’ve got. Who would talk to women about politics at a party, or basically anywhere at all? It’s not their thing, and it shouldn’t be.

    Were a younger me at a party where the women there talked about politics, I would realize I had been Shanghai’d to Massachusetts or some other hellhole and get myself out of there prontomundo!

  108. @nebulafox
    @Ben Kurtz

    More than OK: Persian-Americans are up there as one of the highest performing ethnic groups that the US has. Tons of scientists, doctors, very model minority group. Similarly, the (heavily Maronite, but also a fair amount of Sunni) Lebanese in Brazil do extremely well, too, so this goes beyond the US. However, you need to look at the type of socioeconomic demographic that would flee something like the Iranian Revolution or the Lebanese Civil War, and go halfway around the world to places with lesser welfare systems than more nearby Europe. Usually educated middle class types who intend to stay in their new homeland, or those parents who will move heaven and earth to make sure their children are so. The American legal immigration system is very rigorous. You only go through that if you are really, really determined to.

    American Muslims are a very high performing group, as a rule, unlike in Europe. They are frequently highly educated, most speak fluent English, and they as a rule see no contradiction between Western norms/American citizenship and their religion. But this is for a reason: we get to pick from the cream of the crop, just like everywhere else in the world. Our own low-skilled labor influx typically comes from Central America instead of the Muslim World thanks to location. It makes zero sense to come to America from the Muslim World if you a poorly educated young male who is unlikely to assimilate-our welfare sucks compared to Europe, anyway.

    A major exception to all of this is the Somalis of Minnesota that we've let in as refugees. They fit "European trends", and it should disturb everybody here that our elite thinks more of that is a good thing.

    >It’s time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    My old roommate was a highly assimilated Pakistani physicist who'd agree. He was a devout Sunni Muslim who wanted his religion respected. Yet he sincerely loathed jihadists with a fervor that would shock your typical Western bien-pensant (remember, they've caused a lot more pain in Muslim countries than they do in the West), was very clear in our conversations that he thought the Europeans had collectively lost their minds when they decided to open the borders, and was more than a little annoyed that the New York Times regularly lumped him and other legal immigrants (it took him several years and a Phd to go for US citizenship) in with low-skilled illegal aliens from Central America that were responsible for a lot of the local drug trade.

    *Not all immigrants are equal*. A Russian computer genius who'd otherwise be working for the Mafia or an Iranian physicist who'd otherwise be working on the bomb program or a Chinese bioengineer who wants to create a startup brings a lot more net value to the United States than yet more low-skilled labor from Central America or nearly illiterate, ill-adjusted young male refugees from the most backwards parts of the Muslim World.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @anon, @currahee

    More than OK: Persian-Americans are up there as one of the highest performing ethnic groups that the US has. Tons of scientists, doctors, very model minority group.

    “Highest performing” is a euphemism for “most displacing.” We can produce our own scientists and doctors. We don’t need imports.

  109. @Anonymous
    OT but Steve's old stomping grounds:

    Steppenwolf theater in Chicago puts on a black ripoff of Godot ("Pass Over") in which the deus ex caucasia is a white cop shooting one or both of them at the end.

    White reviewer Hedy Weiss for the Sun Times gives it a "somewhat recommended" review but has problems with the end.
    http://chicago.suntimes.com/entertainment/pass-over-envisions-a-godot-like-endgame-for-young-black-men/

    A group of artists with Stalinesque name of the "Chicago Theater Accountability Coalition" go after her because "she is not willing to work with us to create a positive environment. She has proven this repeatedly with the racism, homophobia, and body shaming found in her reviews." Petition started to blacklist her.
    https://www.change.org/p/the-chicago-theater-community-stop-inviting-hedy-weiss-to-your-productions

    Tribune reports today the blacklist threats have been working:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/theater/ct-hedy-weiss-coalition-ent-0623-20170622-story.html

    Pull quote: "This is about culturally white theater spaces and the white critics who preserve systemic inequity. Hedy is just a white person aligned with whiteness, no surprise there. "

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Haha, I like your handle – just start off with “Steve …”

    Anyway to keep things off topic here, your comment had me feeling a blog post coming up from down deep in my intestinal/bile-duct region, well somewhere in my thorax, to say the following about your info. on the Chicago Theater scene (which I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about otherwise):

    These people, with their boycotts, blacklists, purges, etc – they are not really the kind of crowd that can be doing this sort of thing. It’s not gonna work out for them the way they think. Why? See the Nazis, Bolsheviks, Red Guards, all those totalitarians, were also evil, but they had a modicum of intelligence and skill. But for this new crowd of totalitarians, the gay/lesbo/black/SJW ones, do they not realize that they can’t shut the straight white males out of the Theater business completely or any other industry. We built everything, and still build everything. What are you going to do if we leave?

    Listen totalitarian theater people: None of the stuff that you want to block the white people from will be around were you to get your way. You can’t do squat but complain! Think this over a while, cause we’ll have a riot trying to watch you organize a play, build the stage, work the logistics, and make enough money to do it again. We’ll be watching you all on youtube laughing our asses off!

  110. @RonaldB
    @Ben Kurtz

    "Muslim immigration — they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews "

    There are several problems with this construction.

    You can screen Muslims and allow in only the peaceful, well-educated, productive ones. As long as they remain a very small minority you won't have a problem, at least with the original immigrants.

    But, since you're skimming the cream off the very top of the MENA population, regression to the mean kicks in, and the children have lower-level skills, work ethics and intelligence from what you'd expect from a European population of that intelligence.

    And, Islam itself is a subversive and expansionist theology. As long as a Muslim is a Muslim, he will give allegiance to Muslim supremacy. If he doesn't, he might as well stop being a Muslim. So, even the peaceful and productive Muslim immigrants will give financial and political support to the more supremacist groups such as CAIR and the various and numerous Muslim advancement societies. Which put political pressure on government officials to go easy on Muslims and kick back on surveillance. And of course, they promote public support for Muslim charter schools, where their children learn the pure doctrines of Islamic supremacy at public expense.

    In short, it's the self-advancing leveraging effect of an initially-peaceful and integrated group working to increase its own presence.

    The correct number of Muslims to have is exactly the number we already have, and not one more. Note, I am not calling for the expulsion of Muslims who are already citizens. We made that decision, so we have to live with it.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Frau Katze, @wrd9

    The correct number of Muslims to have is exactly the number we already have, and not one more. Note, I am not calling for the expulsion of Muslims who are already citizens. We made that decision, so we have to live with it.

    Well unless you’re willing to support a coercive sterilization program, that number will increase, and Western-born Dervishes don’t seem to care for the Great Satan much more than their co-religionists in the ME. I’d rather we brought that number closer to zero.

    Our supposed representatives may have made that decision for us (the American people sure as hell didn’t) but I’d be happy to use my tax dollars to avoid living with it by paying Muslims handsomely to emigrate to a Muslim nation of their choosing, or a European nation eager to become Islamicized, with a permanent prohibition to re-entry to the United States.

  111. @Achmed E. Newman
    @syonredux

    I was going to write the same thing, Syonredux, with Steve's paragraph about these newcomers of the same culture bringing in their problems anyway notwithstanding.

    I don't know how these Cato guys passed the SAT's. You gotta be able to do those analogies. I wonder about another thing too: Libertarians can't be completely stupid, as they understand economics, which relates to human behavior, in the way that the Statists don't - how can they be so ignorant when it comes to other aspects of human behavior? Or, is it possible that some of the supposedly libertarian organizations have been infiltrated, or even blackmailed like the Sierra Club?

    Replies: @RonaldB, @guest

    “how can they be so ignorant when it comes to other aspects of human behavior?”

    Because they don’t want to know know, because they’re intellectually lazy, a lot of them. They’ve got their answers, from their template. The Big Questions have been solved, on favor of “liberty!” No need to confuse things with Truth.

    They’ve already got the answers, you see. Isn’t the world a more pleasant place when you already know everything you need to know?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @guest


    They’ve already got the answers, you see. Isn’t the world a more pleasant place when you already know everything you need to know?
     
    For me it is, anyway. I can't speak for Tiny Duck though...
  112. @RonaldB
    @Yak-15

    Lol.

    Yeah. We in Texas have to do without the benefit of the presence of California state employees unless they pay their own way.

    Oh, the horror, the horror!!!!

    Replies: @Yak-15, @Achmed E. Newman

    The state is near bankrupt and they still send employees to unnecessary conferences. What are they even doing on these trips?

  113. What would happen if a very large country like the United States took in a whole bunch of ethnically and culturally very different people from all over the world? If only there was a good historical analogy to illuminate it for us. Oh, wait — there is! How about Israel, a country ruled by a large Ashkenazi population which decided to take in even more Ashkenazim, part of the world’s most ludicrously over-performing ethnic group.

    That might really make a decent analogy if the US was thinking about taking, say, 30 million immigrants from the Netherlands or Canada.

  114. @Flip
    @Whiskey

    The Saxon will begin to hate at some point.

    Replies: @anonymous

    The Saxon will begin to hate at some point.

    The problem for Whiskey is that he is not a Saxon.

  115. @Mikey Darmody

    I’ve already mentioned my view that America’s genuine successes may have come about despite mass immigration, not because of it.
     
    I wonder about this. Did America's upper classes of the time import Europeans to lower the cost of American labor? It seems possible. A byproduct was the violence in major cities, violence caused by immigrant crime. That crime, and its organized nature, was probably the way in which immigrants competed to rise above those low wages. The cost this crime imposed on native Americans was an increased chance of victimization, the creation of "no-go" zones, and an exploitation of the high-trust institutions. Jews, Italians, et all, were guilty of these crimes (whenever I heard about how Jews were victimized in this country, I remember Dutch Schultz, who killed & maimed with the best of them and who would rub gonorrheal discharge in his victims' eyes). The scandalous fact that laws were broken so openly probably increased the perception of the law's vulnerability ("I would not have known sin except that it were proposed to me"). Some groups became market-dominant minorities (I think the Irish took over many municipal police departments). Some rose to the levels of elites (Jews are good examples; Albert Lasker was a Texan Jew who became the top advertising mogul in the U.S. in the teens and '20s). Eventually, these European & Jewish immigrants joined up in the labor movements (the infamous Ludlow Massacre, that partly caused the 40 hr. work-week, counted many Italians among its victims). So the elites' plan seemingly backfired on them. What no one hears about in all this are the low-class native Americans who were forced to compete with these new arrivals. Did they flee to the countryside, or did they rise to the then-equivalent of white-collar status, or did they perish?

    The other thing to consider is that America was possibly largely underpopulated at the time, and her economy probably depended on extracting & refining natural resources, so maybe an influx of European people was a good idea that was implemented too quickly.

    All this being said, the sophistry of Nowrasteh, et al, is bold & remarkable. It's clearly a ridiculous comparison that they are proposing.

    I am partly descended from those new arrivals, and I am partly descended from the settlers. So my primary goal is that the European character of America be preserved and that the dialectic of who&what an American is remain firmly in the European-American sphere.

    Replies: @guest, @Corn

    “That crime, and its organized nature, was probably the way in which immigrants competed to rise above those low wages”

    Some of them. There were other ways. Also, some of them were merely importing their corrupt culture with them. Much like the Aloha Snackbars’ Culture of Stabbing, except more amenable to traditional American culture.

    Tony Soprano had it your way, though bear in mind he’s of the criminal class and self-justifying:

    “When America opened up the floodgates and let all us Italians in, what do you think they were doing it for? ‘Cause they were trying to save us from poverty? No, they did it because they needed us. They needed us to build their cities and dig their subways, and to make them richer. The Carnegies and the Rockefellers: they needed worker bees and there we were.

    But some of us didn’t want to swarm around their hive and lose who we were. We wanted to stay Italian* and preserve the things that meant something to us: honor and family and loyalty…and some of us wanted a piece of the action. Now, we weren’t educated like the Americans, but we had the balls to take what we wanted. And those other folks, those other…the, the J.P. Morgans, they were crooks and killers, but that was the business, right? The American Way.”

    *Then stay in Italy. Problem solved.

  116. @anonymous
    @Mr. Anon


    I am unaware of any reason to believe such a piece of ethnically self-interested propaganda.
     
    People who make that statement often neglect to mention the decapitation of the Russian upper classes that took place after the Bolshevik revolution. How much potential human capital was culled from Russia by them?

    Replies: @guest, @Peter Akuleyev

    Yes, Russia went from the fastest-growing future economic powerhouse at the turn of the 20th century to a cemetery/prison society that lost 50 million or whatever people to Bolshevism and the Nazis.

    But it’s the missing Jews from the last 40 years. That’s the part that really hurts.

  117. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox
    @Ben Kurtz

    More than OK: Persian-Americans are up there as one of the highest performing ethnic groups that the US has. Tons of scientists, doctors, very model minority group. Similarly, the (heavily Maronite, but also a fair amount of Sunni) Lebanese in Brazil do extremely well, too, so this goes beyond the US. However, you need to look at the type of socioeconomic demographic that would flee something like the Iranian Revolution or the Lebanese Civil War, and go halfway around the world to places with lesser welfare systems than more nearby Europe. Usually educated middle class types who intend to stay in their new homeland, or those parents who will move heaven and earth to make sure their children are so. The American legal immigration system is very rigorous. You only go through that if you are really, really determined to.

    American Muslims are a very high performing group, as a rule, unlike in Europe. They are frequently highly educated, most speak fluent English, and they as a rule see no contradiction between Western norms/American citizenship and their religion. But this is for a reason: we get to pick from the cream of the crop, just like everywhere else in the world. Our own low-skilled labor influx typically comes from Central America instead of the Muslim World thanks to location. It makes zero sense to come to America from the Muslim World if you a poorly educated young male who is unlikely to assimilate-our welfare sucks compared to Europe, anyway.

    A major exception to all of this is the Somalis of Minnesota that we've let in as refugees. They fit "European trends", and it should disturb everybody here that our elite thinks more of that is a good thing.

    >It’s time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    My old roommate was a highly assimilated Pakistani physicist who'd agree. He was a devout Sunni Muslim who wanted his religion respected. Yet he sincerely loathed jihadists with a fervor that would shock your typical Western bien-pensant (remember, they've caused a lot more pain in Muslim countries than they do in the West), was very clear in our conversations that he thought the Europeans had collectively lost their minds when they decided to open the borders, and was more than a little annoyed that the New York Times regularly lumped him and other legal immigrants (it took him several years and a Phd to go for US citizenship) in with low-skilled illegal aliens from Central America that were responsible for a lot of the local drug trade.

    *Not all immigrants are equal*. A Russian computer genius who'd otherwise be working for the Mafia or an Iranian physicist who'd otherwise be working on the bomb program or a Chinese bioengineer who wants to create a startup brings a lot more net value to the United States than yet more low-skilled labor from Central America or nearly illiterate, ill-adjusted young male refugees from the most backwards parts of the Muslim World.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @anon, @currahee

    He was a devout Sunni Muslim who wanted his religion respected. Yet he sincerely loathed jihadists with a fervor that would shock your typical Western bien-pensant (remember, they’ve caused a lot more pain in Muslim countries than they do in the West)

    Everybody says this, but it simply isn’t true. Just last weekend, after all, they planned a march for Muslims, where they could show off how much they hated terrorism, but none of them showed up.

    It seems like it would make sense that Muslims would hate terrorism, because they’re the victims of it, but it also seems like it would make sense that black people would hate black criminals the most, because they’re the ones who are the main victims of them.

    But every time a cop shoots a black kid in self-defense, whose side do they take, without exception? That’s right, the black thug’s.

    Or like how a friend of the Manchester bomber’s supposedly warned the cops about him. Even if that’s true, was he upset enough about his jihadism to stop being friends with him? Apparently not.

    So, frankly, I don’t believe the story that this Pakistani dated terrorism that much.

  118. @nebulafox
    @Ben Kurtz

    More than OK: Persian-Americans are up there as one of the highest performing ethnic groups that the US has. Tons of scientists, doctors, very model minority group. Similarly, the (heavily Maronite, but also a fair amount of Sunni) Lebanese in Brazil do extremely well, too, so this goes beyond the US. However, you need to look at the type of socioeconomic demographic that would flee something like the Iranian Revolution or the Lebanese Civil War, and go halfway around the world to places with lesser welfare systems than more nearby Europe. Usually educated middle class types who intend to stay in their new homeland, or those parents who will move heaven and earth to make sure their children are so. The American legal immigration system is very rigorous. You only go through that if you are really, really determined to.

    American Muslims are a very high performing group, as a rule, unlike in Europe. They are frequently highly educated, most speak fluent English, and they as a rule see no contradiction between Western norms/American citizenship and their religion. But this is for a reason: we get to pick from the cream of the crop, just like everywhere else in the world. Our own low-skilled labor influx typically comes from Central America instead of the Muslim World thanks to location. It makes zero sense to come to America from the Muslim World if you a poorly educated young male who is unlikely to assimilate-our welfare sucks compared to Europe, anyway.

    A major exception to all of this is the Somalis of Minnesota that we've let in as refugees. They fit "European trends", and it should disturb everybody here that our elite thinks more of that is a good thing.

    >It’s time for a moratorium on this madness; and we should make every effort to reverse it by deporting any such immigrant who even remotely deserves it.

    My old roommate was a highly assimilated Pakistani physicist who'd agree. He was a devout Sunni Muslim who wanted his religion respected. Yet he sincerely loathed jihadists with a fervor that would shock your typical Western bien-pensant (remember, they've caused a lot more pain in Muslim countries than they do in the West), was very clear in our conversations that he thought the Europeans had collectively lost their minds when they decided to open the borders, and was more than a little annoyed that the New York Times regularly lumped him and other legal immigrants (it took him several years and a Phd to go for US citizenship) in with low-skilled illegal aliens from Central America that were responsible for a lot of the local drug trade.

    *Not all immigrants are equal*. A Russian computer genius who'd otherwise be working for the Mafia or an Iranian physicist who'd otherwise be working on the bomb program or a Chinese bioengineer who wants to create a startup brings a lot more net value to the United States than yet more low-skilled labor from Central America or nearly illiterate, ill-adjusted young male refugees from the most backwards parts of the Muslim World.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @anon, @currahee

    True, but all of their kids are SJW or majorly cucked.

  119. @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    What you refer to as "the implosion of the Oslo process" was in fact caused by fanatical jewish colonization of the West Bank (and even Gaza) during the Barak regime--at a time when the sides were supposed to be moving toward peace and two separate independent states.

    We're still waiting for a citation to your claim that Israel has offered to relinquish the West Bank.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Actually, no. It was caused by a summary rejection of a series of proposals made by Ehud Barak, and then the launching of the 2d intifada. Agency. Maybe someday you’ll understand it.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Art Deco

    Notice you avoided answering the question re: Isreal's alleged right to the West Bank Territories.

    , @Opinionator
    @Art Deco

    The Second Intifada was a response to the fanatical Jewish colonization of the West Bank--all while the Jews paid lip service to the eventual return of that same land to Palestinian Gentiles. What a fraud.

    In retrospect, Oslo itself looks like a fraud perpetrated on the world by Zionist Jews to buy them time to grab more Gentile land.

    Have you found any proof yet for your oft-repeated claim in these pages that Israel made an offer to relinquish the West Bank?

  120. @George
    The settlers seem to be largely US nationals. But yes the Cato article is delusional on a number of grounds, not the least is the massive transfer of wealth to Israel supporting Israeli population enhancement. It is not clear what happens if that support stops, for example if government pension schemes in the US start to collapse. See pensionTsumani.com . Or search on Illinois budget for something that might happen that might happen July 1.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    The settlers seem to be largely US nationals. But yes the Cato article is delusional on a number of grounds, not the least is the massive transfer of wealth to Israel supporting Israeli population enhancement.

    About 1% of the Jewish population of Israel was born in the United States. American aid to Israel amounts to 1.2% of the country’s annual domestic product and is used for arms purchases abroad.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Art Deco

    "American aid to Israel amounts to 1.2% of the country’s annual domestic product and is used for arms purchases abroad."

    Good, since the total annual amount of foreign aid is miniscule it can be withdrawn immediately. Neither side will miss it.

  121. Something in reverse occurred in Japan about 30yrs ago. Brazilians of Japanese ancestry were invited to “return” to the nation their great-grandparents had left ca.1900’s. Some thousands returned to Japan, but most ended up returning to Brazil after about a decade. Why? Because they were no longer part of the Japanese ethnicity to any major extent, much less could speak the language any longer. They had assimilated to Brazilian society.

    Funny how Jews who had lived for centuries in Russia, Belarus, Poland, and other Eastern European nations that once invited, could immigrate to Israel and not have much difficulty living in Israel, a land they had never lived in before. Wonder what the difference was, between Brazilian-Japanese ethnics and Russian Jews, both returning to the land of their fathers. One group more or less staying and the other going back to Brazil.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The issue with Brazilians is that they ran i to the pincer of strict Japanese standards combined with delicious xenophobia.

    Most of the Japanese I have discussed ethnicity with are of the opinion that you need to both (1) be Japanese by heredity and (2) be raised in Japan to be truly Japanese. Thus, the Brazilians were never accepted as truly Japanese.

    BTW, I was once driving with my girlfriend's family in the countryside when we passed a swarthy Amerindian-looking fellow shuffling along on the shoulder of the highway. Looked like a scene out of theUS southwest. "What was that!?" I exclaimed after we zoomed past him... Turns out, there are quite a few Brazilians (not Japanese returnees) working in factories. In fact, this town in the boonies has bi-lingual signs up everywhere because of course they can't speak the language.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Old fogey
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    In New York you find quite a large number of Israeli-born Jews who have decided that the U.S. is a better place to live.

  122. @Art Deco
    @George

    The settlers seem to be largely US nationals. But yes the Cato article is delusional on a number of grounds, not the least is the massive transfer of wealth to Israel supporting Israeli population enhancement.

    About 1% of the Jewish population of Israel was born in the United States. American aid to Israel amounts to 1.2% of the country's annual domestic product and is used for arms purchases abroad.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “American aid to Israel amounts to 1.2% of the country’s annual domestic product and is used for arms purchases abroad.”

    Good, since the total annual amount of foreign aid is miniscule it can be withdrawn immediately. Neither side will miss it.

  123. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    We are inching ever closer to that Silverado Moment. Where Kevin Kline's character realizes that if he just kills Brian Dennehy's character all his problems go away.

    These religious idiots will never cease their utopian project, requiring mass slaughter of millions to billions to create their heaven on earth. See Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. By contrast the old-line fascists like Alberto Salazar of Portugal, Juan Peron of Argentina, and Francisco Franco of Spain were a much better deal for humanity. Their model of the Catholic Church and aristocracy as primary pillars of society, a rigidly stratified corporatist society, while stasis ridden and repressive did not entail mass slaughter to engineer a perfect humanity; and had the merit of being known and well understood. These men wanted to be Sforza, the Duke of Milan. And considering everything, there were a lot worse things they could have been.

    Even or especially the Pope believes this -- unsurprising from a Latin American Marxist. Never mind any significant Muslim presence will eradicate Christianity in Italy. He need only look at the walls built in the 900s to keep Muslim raiders out to find proof of that.

    Put in religious belief of the true believer -- the Lunch with the FT had an interview with some Russian lady who recorded ordinary people's lives; the only one she ever argued with was some Communist whose wife died in a camp while they were both purged, and told her he was filled with joy when he at least got his Party Card back because "he was part of history and belonged to the believers" or some such nonsense. Add in the female equivalent of men rushing to Thailand for 12 year old hookers -- "Rapefugees welcome! (for aging sluts and fatties)" and the innate desire of women and gays to submit to the most aggressive and stupid group of men and we are doomed to a couple of centuries of ultra-violence.

    Yes Tiny "non-Whites don't like us." So what aside from killing us do you propose to do with us? That part has not been thought out well -- sure the Elite would like to Pol Pot us deplorables but White men have a well earned reputation for carnage on the battlefield. And an appetite for shock battle absent in non-Whites. No one but Whites could have fought the Somme, for example. Muslims and Africans would have run away.

    The White future seems to be ultra-violence against all non-Whites who surround us in a giant sea of seething hostility; restriction of women and gays (who are weaponized beyond numbers by advertising that amplifies their cultural influence) and a society ordered around military service and fighting. Sparta not Athens. What after all are Deplorable Whites going to do when they are suddenly in Mexico-meets-the-Sudan? All die the White Death? Just disappear into Dimension X? Or follow ANY leader who offers them an Israeli style "survival through killing their enemies" path?

    The peace process died when most Israelis felt there was no prospect for real peace just constant war: Gaza, the Intifadas, etc. and figured if they'd fight they'd at least stick around for a while.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @BenKenobi, @Flip, @Anonymous

    No. You will just die.

    Mostly to other whites, and the few of you who try to act up will be arrested and killed. Your families will condemn you and deny you. All will marvel and call you maniacs, while others in the alt-right try to disassociate from you. Your children will meet with the media and explain that you were always abusive, while President Chelsea Clinton introduces new bills against propagation of hate speech. Through facebook, they will be able to find your groups and all those associated with you.

    So the only thing to do, is to not act up. En masse, compliance will lead you to a Holocaust. This one will be more successful than the last one.

    You have no future. And soon, no present or past.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    History says that when white men get off their lazy ass and really decide something needs doing, it gets done.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

  124. @RonaldB
    @Ben Kurtz

    "Muslim immigration — they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews "

    There are several problems with this construction.

    You can screen Muslims and allow in only the peaceful, well-educated, productive ones. As long as they remain a very small minority you won't have a problem, at least with the original immigrants.

    But, since you're skimming the cream off the very top of the MENA population, regression to the mean kicks in, and the children have lower-level skills, work ethics and intelligence from what you'd expect from a European population of that intelligence.

    And, Islam itself is a subversive and expansionist theology. As long as a Muslim is a Muslim, he will give allegiance to Muslim supremacy. If he doesn't, he might as well stop being a Muslim. So, even the peaceful and productive Muslim immigrants will give financial and political support to the more supremacist groups such as CAIR and the various and numerous Muslim advancement societies. Which put political pressure on government officials to go easy on Muslims and kick back on surveillance. And of course, they promote public support for Muslim charter schools, where their children learn the pure doctrines of Islamic supremacy at public expense.

    In short, it's the self-advancing leveraging effect of an initially-peaceful and integrated group working to increase its own presence.

    The correct number of Muslims to have is exactly the number we already have, and not one more. Note, I am not calling for the expulsion of Muslims who are already citizens. We made that decision, so we have to live with it.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Frau Katze, @wrd9

    “You can screen Muslims and allow in only the peaceful, well-educated, productive ones. ”

    Which ones are those? Show us the 100% full proof method from which they can be screened. Its not as though the US is obligated to allow anyone from any particular nation in for perpetuity, if it so decided not to.

    But do show the 100% full proof method for screening and finding the peaceful good ones.

  125. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Actually, no. It was caused by a summary rejection of a series of proposals made by Ehud Barak, and then the launching of the 2d intifada. Agency. Maybe someday you'll understand it.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Opinionator

    Notice you avoided answering the question re: Isreal’s alleged right to the West Bank Territories.

  126. @Art Deco
    @Opinionator

    Actually, no. It was caused by a summary rejection of a series of proposals made by Ehud Barak, and then the launching of the 2d intifada. Agency. Maybe someday you'll understand it.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Opinionator

    The Second Intifada was a response to the fanatical Jewish colonization of the West Bank–all while the Jews paid lip service to the eventual return of that same land to Palestinian Gentiles. What a fraud.

    In retrospect, Oslo itself looks like a fraud perpetrated on the world by Zionist Jews to buy them time to grab more Gentile land.

    Have you found any proof yet for your oft-repeated claim in these pages that Israel made an offer to relinquish the West Bank?

  127. @Opinionator
    @biz

    Israel was having a big problem with (non-Jewish) African asylum seekers, but they seem to have decided to take other paths to Europe lately.

    Kind of like how many Jews living in Germany in the 1930s seemed to decide to seek their fortunes in the United States and elsewhere.

    Replies: @biz

    Let me make sure I understand… Your knowledge of history is that Jews in 1930s Germany moved there from elsewhere, supposedly in transit to somewhere else, and while there were given housing stipends and free health care?

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @biz

    You cruelly omitted mention of the harsh measures Israel has taken against Gentiles in Israel and against those seeking entry. Yeah, they just happened to decide to go to Europe.

  128. @RonaldB
    @Yak-15

    Lol.

    Yeah. We in Texas have to do without the benefit of the presence of California state employees unless they pay their own way.

    Oh, the horror, the horror!!!!

    Replies: @Yak-15, @Achmed E. Newman

    California is banning state funded employee travel to certain states over bathroom bills.

    Yeah, there’s a bright side to everything. Nobody forecast that this BLT/G thing would result in cost savings for California taxpayer! (unless I’ve missed a Cato Institute paper; listen guys, I can’t be reading the whole internet!)

  129. @guest
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "how can they be so ignorant when it comes to other aspects of human behavior?"

    Because they don't want to know know, because they're intellectually lazy, a lot of them. They've got their answers, from their template. The Big Questions have been solved, on favor of "liberty!" No need to confuse things with Truth.

    They've already got the answers, you see. Isn't the world a more pleasant place when you already know everything you need to know?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    They’ve already got the answers, you see. Isn’t the world a more pleasant place when you already know everything you need to know?

    For me it is, anyway. I can’t speak for Tiny Duck though…

  130. @biz
    @Opinionator

    Let me make sure I understand... Your knowledge of history is that Jews in 1930s Germany moved there from elsewhere, supposedly in transit to somewhere else, and while there were given housing stipends and free health care?

    Replies: @Opinionator

    You cruelly omitted mention of the harsh measures Israel has taken against Gentiles in Israel and against those seeking entry. Yeah, they just happened to decide to go to Europe.

  131. @Daniel H
    It is claimed that Ariel Sharon was of Subbotnik descent, Subbotniks being a sect of Russian Slavs who Judaized over decades and centuries, so he was probably naturally conditioned to feel comfortable around quasi-Jew Slavs and Judeophile Slavs. Probably not so comfortable around Ethiopian faux-Jews and inbred, semi-retarded Yemeni Jews.

    I have heard that there are a substantial number of New Mexicans, Mexicans and other Mestizo Americans (North, Central and South) who have convinced themselves that they are Jews, having maintained a 500 years long tradition of crypto-Judaism, despite having been forcibly converted to Catholicism during the Inquisition. Maybe we can start a campaign to divert these inevitable migrants to our land, from our land to Israel, their true homeland. I'm certain that the Cato institute and Bill Kristol would celebrate the rightful return of 20 million Mestizo American Jews to their rightful homeland, Israel.

    Replies: @RonaldB, @Flip

    I believe that DNA testing shows some support for being the descendants of Spanish Jews. I know a guy who has a Spanish Chilean grandmother (with the rest of his ancestry German and Irish), and his DNA shows significant Jewish ancestry despite all known ancestors being Christian. It doesn’t seem far fetched that Jews/Conversos would decide to head out for the colonies.

  132. @WJ
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Russia’s long term cultural, scientific and economic decline is directly connected to the rapid decline in Russia’s Jewish population over the last 40 years."

    Yes, because nothing proclaims success more than Chernobyl, the Lada Riva muscle car, Lake Karachay, the most polluted body of water on the planet, USSR military weaponry that the US has routinely destroyed with great impunity in any armed conflict (think Persian Gulf War 1) or the whole stinking rotten commie system with it's material hardships and it's constant oppression.

    Things were waaaay better there, before they left.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    In all fairness to Russian military equipment, the US success in destroying its wielders is largely because of the ineptitude and stupidity of the people wielding it.

  133. @anonymous
    @Mr. Anon


    I am unaware of any reason to believe such a piece of ethnically self-interested propaganda.
     
    People who make that statement often neglect to mention the decapitation of the Russian upper classes that took place after the Bolshevik revolution. How much potential human capital was culled from Russia by them?

    Replies: @guest, @Peter Akuleyev

    Non-sequitur. The Russian Revolution was a total disaster for Russia, one from which Russia now seems unlikely to ever recover. But Russian Jews were not a big part of that story, despite the anti-Semitic propaganda that tries to claim the contrary. After the genocidal destruction of Russia’s aristocracy and merchant classes, as well as the elimination of the educated ethnic Poles and Germans in the Russian Empire, Jews were one of the few groups in the USSR to survive who had real intellectual and cultural links to the glories of the Tsarist past. Now Russia is run by peasants and Chechens. Lenin would no doubt be proud.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Winston Churchill would beg to differ. Even Chuck Woolery has now come around with Winston's view.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Non-sequitur. The Russian Revolution was a total disaster for Russia, one from which Russia now seems unlikely to ever recover. But Russian Jews were not a big part of that story,....
     
    Nice try, but your statement is at variance with reality. Jews played an outsized role in the Russian Revolution and the Soviet government, up until Stalin completed his purge of them in the late 40s / early 50s.
  134. @Anonymous
    @Whiskey

    No. You will just die.

    Mostly to other whites, and the few of you who try to act up will be arrested and killed. Your families will condemn you and deny you. All will marvel and call you maniacs, while others in the alt-right try to disassociate from you. Your children will meet with the media and explain that you were always abusive, while President Chelsea Clinton introduces new bills against propagation of hate speech. Through facebook, they will be able to find your groups and all those associated with you.

    So the only thing to do, is to not act up. En masse, compliance will lead you to a Holocaust. This one will be more successful than the last one.

    You have no future. And soon, no present or past.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    History says that when white men get off their lazy ass and really decide something needs doing, it gets done.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Anonymous

    Problem=not enough deciders.

  135. @Anonymous
    Great job lately Steve. You're doing God's work.

    Now, where the hell is Svigor?

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @SFG

    Spending less time because the bug regarding the “view this thread” hasn’t been fixed.

    I know I’m spending less time here on account of it.

  136. @Anon
    Always a struggle to figure out if these people are stupid or evil (yeah, they could be both). But that comparison is so amazingly obtuse and just plain stupid (you'd fail even a grade schooler who thought Russian Jews moving to a Jewish country was ANYTHING like Muslims moving to the US) that it's hard to imagine it's not malicious. Maybe it's a bank shot and they secretly support strong borders and are trying to undermine the Cato crowd? Wish I could believe that.

    [not actually anonymous, always post as Polynices, but dumb system thinks my iPad isn't me or something]

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Hippopotamusdrome, @ATX Hipster, @Achmed E. Newman, @Frau Katze

    Another bug that’s not being fixed. If Ron Unz refuses to consider third party commenting systems, he NEEDS to maintain this home-grown system properly.

    AFAIK there is no way to even report bugs.

  137. @biz
    @The Alarmist

    What problem is Israel having with African (assume you are referring to Ethiopian) Jews? They are generally law-abiding and assimilated, and achieving reasonably well in the military and politics.

    Israel was having a big problem with (non-Jewish) African asylum seekers, but they seem to have decided to take other paths to Europe lately.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Opinionator, @Hippopotamusdrome

    What problem is Israel having with African (assume you are referring to Ethiopian) Jews?

    LOL. Same problem everyone else has with blacks.

    Israel’s Ethiopian Jews clash with police at race rally
    Dozens injured during anti-racism rally in Tel Aviv sparked by brutality against a black soldier.

    Israeli riot police have fired stun grenades and water cannon on thousands of ethnic Ethiopian Jewish citizens in an attempt to clear one of the most violent protests in memory in the heart of Tel Aviv.

    The protesters, Israeli Jews of Ethiopian origin, were demonstrating on Sunday against what they said was police racism and brutality after a video clip emerged last week showing policemen shoving and punching a black soldier.

    Demonstrators overturned a police car and threw bottles and stones at officers in riot gear at Rabin Square in the heart of Israel’s commercial capital.

    VIDEO: Thousands Of Israeli Ethiopians Protest In Tel Aviv
    VIDEO: Anti-racism protest becomes violent in Tel Aviv
    VIDEO: Tel Aviv anti-racism protests marred by violence

  138. Germany hosts every possible kind of middle east crazy. Including internal conflicts like Gulen vs AKP or whatever it is.

    BERLIN MAYOR ALLOWS HEZBOLLAH TO MARCH IN ‘ZIONISTS OUT OF ISRAEL’ RALLY

    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Berlin-mayor-allows-Hezbollah-to-march-in-Zionists-out-of-Israel-rally-497756

  139. Cato: America Should Invite in Lots of Muslims the Way Israel Invited in Lots of Jews

    “…or, Why Cato can Never Again be Taken Seriously”

  140. @RonaldB
    @Daniel H

    I met a Converso (Spanish/Mexican crypto-Jew) who had a dramatic story and who became a full Jew and went around to synagogues telling her history. She was also a surgeon, and no mestizo.

    I don't have any doubt all kinds of people will try to get on a bandwagon that seems to have some gravy associated with it. But, the story of the crypto-Jews is real. How you react is your own affair, but the reality is there.

    Replies: @Daniel H

    The low cost of DNA analysis will soon settle the matter, but I don’t buy these bullshit stories (we would light a candle several times per year…..my father always hated pork…..etc, etc…).

    In case you haven’t noticed, it is uncool to be a Christian these days, uncool in Latin America as much as it is here in the north (Upwardly striving Latin Americans are generally shallow people) , whereas it is very cool to be a Jew. There have been many converts to Judaism recently (celebrities, politicians, academics, ordinary spouses of Jews, Africans, obscure peoples from the Indian subcontinent, so many that the Jews don’t even want all these people). And who wouldn’t want to be Jewish today? This small nation commands wealth, attention, political power, social and business success and GRIEVANCE, GRIEVANCE, GRIEVANCE (the most powerful factor when dealing with a post Christian people still saddled subconsciously with Christian guilt and altruism). What’s the downside of converting to Judaism? Damn, I may think about converting myself.

    We will know when we have reached peak Judaism when lots of authentic, real shtetel Jews (tired of all these faux Jews running around) start abandoning Judaism and embrace Roman Catholicism. It happened before.

  141. @RonaldB
    @Ben Kurtz

    "Muslim immigration — they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews "

    There are several problems with this construction.

    You can screen Muslims and allow in only the peaceful, well-educated, productive ones. As long as they remain a very small minority you won't have a problem, at least with the original immigrants.

    But, since you're skimming the cream off the very top of the MENA population, regression to the mean kicks in, and the children have lower-level skills, work ethics and intelligence from what you'd expect from a European population of that intelligence.

    And, Islam itself is a subversive and expansionist theology. As long as a Muslim is a Muslim, he will give allegiance to Muslim supremacy. If he doesn't, he might as well stop being a Muslim. So, even the peaceful and productive Muslim immigrants will give financial and political support to the more supremacist groups such as CAIR and the various and numerous Muslim advancement societies. Which put political pressure on government officials to go easy on Muslims and kick back on surveillance. And of course, they promote public support for Muslim charter schools, where their children learn the pure doctrines of Islamic supremacy at public expense.

    In short, it's the self-advancing leveraging effect of an initially-peaceful and integrated group working to increase its own presence.

    The correct number of Muslims to have is exactly the number we already have, and not one more. Note, I am not calling for the expulsion of Muslims who are already citizens. We made that decision, so we have to live with it.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Frau Katze, @wrd9

    The problem with Muslims is Islam.

    It’s a nasty violent political ideology masquerading as a religion.

    Furthermore, even picking the best of them as immigrants doesn’t help. There’s the descendants to think of. They decide to “find themselves” and a few become radical lunatics.

    And even more: they proselytize like crazy.

    Their ideology is specific: they are meant to take over the entire world.

  142. @Old Jew
    @Old fogey

    So this friend of mine, was not admitted to Engineering School in Moscow (Jewish family name) so he went to Perm. Thus his degree is from Perm. (Ural Mountains?) Still an Engineer.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    So this friend of mine, was not admitted to Engineering School in Moscow (Jewish family name) so he went to Perm.

    This isn’t proof that he was discriminated against – let alone persecuted as was asserted in the big advertising campaign in the US to support Jews leaving the USSR. I didn’t get into Cal Tech, does that mean I was persecuted?

    • Replies: @wrd9
    @MarkinLA

    That particular example is anecdotal but the Soviets did implement quotas for Jews in certain areas within a few decades after the Revolution.

    In 1956, “At the outset of the revolution [said Khrushchev] we had many Jews in the leadership of the party and state. & … In due course we have created new cadres. & … Should the Jews want to occupy the foremost positions in our republics now, it would, naturally, be taken amiss by the indigenous inhabitants. The latter would ill receive these pretensions. & … But we are not anti-Semites.”

    The US wasn't immune from implementing this discrimination as well.

    "American Jews who have made contact with co-religionists in the U.S.S.R. have brought back reports of an increase in obstacles to Jewish employment in favored jobs. “The trend is toward the lowering of class status among Jewish people,” one author wrote.15 A quota system appears to be operating-in admissions to higher education. Although Jews represent 3.1 per cent of all students in higher education, this is a sharp drop from the comparable figure of 13.5 per cent in 1935. The present ratio is much smaller than the proportion of Jews in the total population of the more highly developed and urbanized areas of western Russia which supply the great majority of candidates for higher education. In Moscow, for example, Jews constitute 11 per cent of the population. And a large percentage of Jewish students are in teacher training and music academies, where there are apparently no quotas, rather than in the top-ranking universities and technical institutions."

    http://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre1962080800#REF[14]

    Replies: @MarkinLA

  143. @Daniil Adamov
    @Massimo Heitor

    Specific ethnic group, to be fair. (Or even groups - Sephardis are VERY different and distinct from the Ashkenazis, and that's not bringing in the Ethiopians, all of which were, in theory, equal.) A major feature was that there was no religious test and many of the Jews were only Jews by sometimes non-Galakha descent.

    Replies: @cucksworth

    There are billions of Muslims and most are dirt poor where Sephardis and Ashkenazis are both educated and have the same religious traditions. plus they comprise a tiny percent of humanity and are so oppressed, yet they insist on doing genocide to the Palestinians.

  144. @jack ryan
    I corresponded with a decent Jewish guy who's a law professor in the Midwest. He was trying to do very modest patriotic immigration (restrictionist) activism in his college/community, but was not having any success.

    I told him of my experience in this area, especially in the Jewish community - (Some of my best friends are/were Jews - that's true).

    We both came to the conclusion that Americans Jews are overwhelmingly terrible on immigration, it's virtually impossible to get many/any to even oppose keeping out Islamic extremists, rapid anti Jewish migrants.

    So we just closed by trying to take the position that Jewish Americans are very good at many things and are decent good people in many or even most areas.

    But, American Jews just #*$&# on immigration - and many, most will have completely different views about immigration to Israel (restricted to Jewish people to keep Israel a Jewish ethno state. Israel is to have strong border walls, controls to keep out all illegal aliens. But the United States and "The West" must not have any immigration restrictions, border walls and the entire world, including the entire Islamic world has some fundamentalist right to move to the United States. Anyone who says or even thinks differently is a racist NAZI.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    So we just closed by trying to take the position that Jewish Americans are very good at many things and are decent good people in many or even most areas.

    Jews are generally #*$&# on anything that is designed to screw whites like affirmative action.

  145. @Mikey Darmody

    I’ve already mentioned my view that America’s genuine successes may have come about despite mass immigration, not because of it.
     
    I wonder about this. Did America's upper classes of the time import Europeans to lower the cost of American labor? It seems possible. A byproduct was the violence in major cities, violence caused by immigrant crime. That crime, and its organized nature, was probably the way in which immigrants competed to rise above those low wages. The cost this crime imposed on native Americans was an increased chance of victimization, the creation of "no-go" zones, and an exploitation of the high-trust institutions. Jews, Italians, et all, were guilty of these crimes (whenever I heard about how Jews were victimized in this country, I remember Dutch Schultz, who killed & maimed with the best of them and who would rub gonorrheal discharge in his victims' eyes). The scandalous fact that laws were broken so openly probably increased the perception of the law's vulnerability ("I would not have known sin except that it were proposed to me"). Some groups became market-dominant minorities (I think the Irish took over many municipal police departments). Some rose to the levels of elites (Jews are good examples; Albert Lasker was a Texan Jew who became the top advertising mogul in the U.S. in the teens and '20s). Eventually, these European & Jewish immigrants joined up in the labor movements (the infamous Ludlow Massacre, that partly caused the 40 hr. work-week, counted many Italians among its victims). So the elites' plan seemingly backfired on them. What no one hears about in all this are the low-class native Americans who were forced to compete with these new arrivals. Did they flee to the countryside, or did they rise to the then-equivalent of white-collar status, or did they perish?

    The other thing to consider is that America was possibly largely underpopulated at the time, and her economy probably depended on extracting & refining natural resources, so maybe an influx of European people was a good idea that was implemented too quickly.

    All this being said, the sophistry of Nowrasteh, et al, is bold & remarkable. It's clearly a ridiculous comparison that they are proposing.

    I am partly descended from those new arrivals, and I am partly descended from the settlers. So my primary goal is that the European character of America be preserved and that the dialectic of who&what an American is remain firmly in the European-American sphere.

    Replies: @guest, @Corn

    “I wonder about this. Did America’s upper classes of the time import Europeans to lower the cost of American labor? It seems possible. A byproduct was the violence in major cities, violence caused by immigrant crime. That crime, and its organized nature, was probably the way in which immigrants competed to rise above those low wages. The cost this crime imposed on native Americans was an increased chance of victimization, the creation of “no-go” zones, and an exploitation of the high-trust institutions.”

    People think of white flight in America as something that started in the ’60s, but in his book Reflections on the Revolution in Europe, Christopher Caldwell notes that the first white flight in American history was the flight of Protestants out of Boston in the 1830s and 1840s and Irish immigrants made the city poorer and more violent.

    • Replies: @Mikey Darmody
    @Corn

    I will be sure to read that, thank you!

  146. @jack ryan
    These Libertarian immigration liars, immigration traitors are a real pain in the arse.

    So many push 180% opposite immigration policy for Israel (Jewish Ethno State) and open borders, unrestricted immigration for what remains of the White West in Europe, UK, Australia, USA and Canada.

    They simply just lie that Israel embraces multiculturalism, non racism, progressivism and thus the USA should be like Israel and welcome millions of Muslim and Mexican migrants and Syrian war refugees like Israel.

    Israel and Saudi Arabia accepted Zero Syrian war refugees even though Israel occupies the Syrian Golan Heights.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anon

    First, the alt-right complains Israel treats wounded Syrians in its hospitals. Now it complains that it doesn’t take in Syrians. What do you want? You complain that blacks blame ‘whitey’ for all there problems but then you do the same thing with the Jews. It’s pathetic.

  147. @Peter Akuleyev
    @anonymous

    Non-sequitur. The Russian Revolution was a total disaster for Russia, one from which Russia now seems unlikely to ever recover. But Russian Jews were not a big part of that story, despite the anti-Semitic propaganda that tries to claim the contrary. After the genocidal destruction of Russia's aristocracy and merchant classes, as well as the elimination of the educated ethnic Poles and Germans in the Russian Empire, Jews were one of the few groups in the USSR to survive who had real intellectual and cultural links to the glories of the Tsarist past. Now Russia is run by peasants and Chechens. Lenin would no doubt be proud.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    Winston Churchill would beg to differ. Even Chuck Woolery has now come around with Winston’s view.

  148. @syonredux

    German White Woman Completes Her ‘Transition’ Into a Black Woman
     

    Move over Rachel Dolezal, there’s someone else out there with even more issues. German “model” Martina Adam, also known as Martina Big (because of her insanely huge breast implants and appearances on Botched), has completed her transition into a “black” woman.

     


    Adam also has spoken out about her experiences as a “black” woman and has complained about people not believing that her passport is valid.


    “I’m a black girl with black hair, so I have to change very soon my passport,” Adam says in the video below.
     

    Just so you know, I’m currently sitting at my computer contemplating life. Not mine, but hers. What went wrong? When did it go wrong? Why didn’t anyone intervene? Who is the doctor doing all of this mess? These are just a few of the questions circulating around in my head.
     
    And before all you bigots start asking why it's OK to change your gender but not OK to change your race, here's a video from a Woke transgender activist:

    And before the question pops up for the millionth time as to why it’s OK to be transgender and not “transracial,” I’ll let transgender activist and writer Kat Blaque explain:
     
    http://thegrapevine.theroot.com/german-white-woman-completes-her-transition-into-a-blac-1796362130

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    She needs more sunscreen.

  149. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Something in reverse occurred in Japan about 30yrs ago. Brazilians of Japanese ancestry were invited to "return" to the nation their great-grandparents had left ca.1900's. Some thousands returned to Japan, but most ended up returning to Brazil after about a decade. Why? Because they were no longer part of the Japanese ethnicity to any major extent, much less could speak the language any longer. They had assimilated to Brazilian society.

    Funny how Jews who had lived for centuries in Russia, Belarus, Poland, and other Eastern European nations that once invited, could immigrate to Israel and not have much difficulty living in Israel, a land they had never lived in before. Wonder what the difference was, between Brazilian-Japanese ethnics and Russian Jews, both returning to the land of their fathers. One group more or less staying and the other going back to Brazil.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Old fogey

    The issue with Brazilians is that they ran i to the pincer of strict Japanese standards combined with delicious xenophobia.

    Most of the Japanese I have discussed ethnicity with are of the opinion that you need to both (1) be Japanese by heredity and (2) be raised in Japan to be truly Japanese. Thus, the Brazilians were never accepted as truly Japanese.

    BTW, I was once driving with my girlfriend’s family in the countryside when we passed a swarthy Amerindian-looking fellow shuffling along on the shoulder of the highway. Looked like a scene out of theUS southwest. “What was that!?” I exclaimed after we zoomed past him… Turns out, there are quite a few Brazilians (not Japanese returnees) working in factories. In fact, this town in the boonies has bi-lingual signs up everywhere because of course they can’t speak the language.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Chrisnonymous

    Fully agreed on the two points re: Brazilians returning to Japan. It's still interesting that regarding Jews who had lived outside Israel for centuries (even millenniums), no such animosity greeted them in Tel Aviv. Perhaps even though these recent Israeli immigrants, though they weren't raised in Israel, were genetically Jewish for thousands of years with very little mingling with surrounding out groups. Unlike the Eastern European Jews, intermingling with out groups did occur with the Japanese who migrated to Brazil.

  150. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    History says that when white men get off their lazy ass and really decide something needs doing, it gets done.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Problem=not enough deciders.

  151. @International Jew
    @Old fogey

    Discrimination motivates people to work harder. And vice versa. Look at what discrimination has done for African Americans: the bad old days gave us Richard Wright, affirmative action gave us Ta Nehisi Coates.

    Replies: @Old fogey

    The analogy with the African-American experience was brilliantly put. Thank you.

  152. @nebulafox
    @Old fogey

    The contradiction is not a real one. In fact, their overwhelmingly bourgeois status probably enhanced native animus against them.

    The Jews in 1930s Germany were arguably the most valuable human capital in modern history, but it didn't stop the Nazis from chasing them out. A similar analogue can be found with the Chinese of Southeast Asia, and the Koreans got hit hard in the 1992 LA riots for a reason. An unusually extreme example are the South Asians of East Africa. Etc, etc. Envy is a powerful weapon for demagogues.

    Replies: @Old fogey

    But surely the point is how they achieved that “overwhelmingly bourgeois status” despite the discrimination. It is hard to believe that the situation was so dire when you see that they were able to overcome it so easily.

  153. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Something in reverse occurred in Japan about 30yrs ago. Brazilians of Japanese ancestry were invited to "return" to the nation their great-grandparents had left ca.1900's. Some thousands returned to Japan, but most ended up returning to Brazil after about a decade. Why? Because they were no longer part of the Japanese ethnicity to any major extent, much less could speak the language any longer. They had assimilated to Brazilian society.

    Funny how Jews who had lived for centuries in Russia, Belarus, Poland, and other Eastern European nations that once invited, could immigrate to Israel and not have much difficulty living in Israel, a land they had never lived in before. Wonder what the difference was, between Brazilian-Japanese ethnics and Russian Jews, both returning to the land of their fathers. One group more or less staying and the other going back to Brazil.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Old fogey

    In New York you find quite a large number of Israeli-born Jews who have decided that the U.S. is a better place to live.

  154. @Corn
    @Mikey Darmody

    "I wonder about this. Did America’s upper classes of the time import Europeans to lower the cost of American labor? It seems possible. A byproduct was the violence in major cities, violence caused by immigrant crime. That crime, and its organized nature, was probably the way in which immigrants competed to rise above those low wages. The cost this crime imposed on native Americans was an increased chance of victimization, the creation of “no-go” zones, and an exploitation of the high-trust institutions."

    People think of white flight in America as something that started in the '60s, but in his book Reflections on the Revolution in Europe, Christopher Caldwell notes that the first white flight in American history was the flight of Protestants out of Boston in the 1830s and 1840s and Irish immigrants made the city poorer and more violent.

    Replies: @Mikey Darmody

    I will be sure to read that, thank you!

  155. Quite possibly the stupidest oranges and apples comparison I have ever read in my life. Let us see Israel open its doors to the entire world – not just Jews – then we have a valid comparison.

  156. @Chrisnonymous
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The issue with Brazilians is that they ran i to the pincer of strict Japanese standards combined with delicious xenophobia.

    Most of the Japanese I have discussed ethnicity with are of the opinion that you need to both (1) be Japanese by heredity and (2) be raised in Japan to be truly Japanese. Thus, the Brazilians were never accepted as truly Japanese.

    BTW, I was once driving with my girlfriend's family in the countryside when we passed a swarthy Amerindian-looking fellow shuffling along on the shoulder of the highway. Looked like a scene out of theUS southwest. "What was that!?" I exclaimed after we zoomed past him... Turns out, there are quite a few Brazilians (not Japanese returnees) working in factories. In fact, this town in the boonies has bi-lingual signs up everywhere because of course they can't speak the language.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Fully agreed on the two points re: Brazilians returning to Japan. It’s still interesting that regarding Jews who had lived outside Israel for centuries (even millenniums), no such animosity greeted them in Tel Aviv. Perhaps even though these recent Israeli immigrants, though they weren’t raised in Israel, were genetically Jewish for thousands of years with very little mingling with surrounding out groups. Unlike the Eastern European Jews, intermingling with out groups did occur with the Japanese who migrated to Brazil.

  157. @Peter Akuleyev
    @anonymous

    Non-sequitur. The Russian Revolution was a total disaster for Russia, one from which Russia now seems unlikely to ever recover. But Russian Jews were not a big part of that story, despite the anti-Semitic propaganda that tries to claim the contrary. After the genocidal destruction of Russia's aristocracy and merchant classes, as well as the elimination of the educated ethnic Poles and Germans in the Russian Empire, Jews were one of the few groups in the USSR to survive who had real intellectual and cultural links to the glories of the Tsarist past. Now Russia is run by peasants and Chechens. Lenin would no doubt be proud.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    Non-sequitur. The Russian Revolution was a total disaster for Russia, one from which Russia now seems unlikely to ever recover. But Russian Jews were not a big part of that story,….

    Nice try, but your statement is at variance with reality. Jews played an outsized role in the Russian Revolution and the Soviet government, up until Stalin completed his purge of them in the late 40s / early 50s.

  158. @RonaldB
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I used to be a libertarian, which has a fatal flaw. Libertarians regard humans as interchangeable commodities, with economic unit price as the highest value. They totally ignore identity politics, which gives a cohesive group the ability to disproportionately influence government and accrue undeserved resources and influence to themselves. Even in a non-democracy, an identity group is superb at practicing intimidation and getting privileges.

    The stock libertarian reply for unskilled immigrants is that in a totally libertarian environment, there would be no government benefits, so any immigrant unable to contribute would either leave or starve.

    Right.

    See identity politics.

    There is another flaw in the libertarian economic view of man and markets. It's true that in a totally free market for international trade, you get the lowest price per unit good. However, the unit of value is the dollar and not happiness. Totally open markets can put indigenous farmers, craftsmen, or even managers out of jobs, devastating the local culture and economy. Protected markets may raise the price of goods, but may provide a safer, culturally homogeneous, and supportive environment far conducive to individual happiness. So, the net benefit to happiness of a protected market can offset the pure economic costs.

    Of course, in any protected market, there's always the problem of rent-seeking or shutting out legitimate competition, even domestic competition.

    Replies: @JackOH, @anon

    Good comments, RonaldB, on libertarianism’s blind spots.

    I used to attend local meetings of libertarians back in the 1990s, and I’ll allow they were among the finest people I’ve met in my life. One was a WWII paratrooper and later CPA, an upright man of old Puritan stock, who, some time in the 1970s, decided the government he’d served had gone deeply wrong.

    Still, libertarians do have a frame of mind that has it that everybody is predisposed to being a yeoman farmer on the American frontier, if only government would get out of the way. They just don’t think much about the power of huge collectivities, such as corporations or nation-states, or races or ethnicities. You’re right about identity politics having a primal power over individual liberties. (My guess is Unz Review wouldn’t exist if we still held the liberties of yesteryear.)

    I still think libertarian as a sort of default position when thinking about the schemes our masters cook up for us, even though I’m damned sure we don’t live anywhere close to a libertarian world.

    • Replies: @anon
    @JackOH

    Still, libertarians do have a frame of mind that has it that everybody is predisposed to being a yeoman farmer on the American frontier, if only government would get out of the way.

    Libertarians are like engineers who assume that a horse is spherical to make the math easier.

    I give them credit for the fact that they genuinely are trying to come up wiuh a systematic set of principles for all humanity. After awhile, though, you just have to stand back in awe at their lack of understanding of how people actually are.

  159. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JackOH
    @RonaldB

    Good comments, RonaldB, on libertarianism's blind spots.

    I used to attend local meetings of libertarians back in the 1990s, and I'll allow they were among the finest people I've met in my life. One was a WWII paratrooper and later CPA, an upright man of old Puritan stock, who, some time in the 1970s, decided the government he'd served had gone deeply wrong.

    Still, libertarians do have a frame of mind that has it that everybody is predisposed to being a yeoman farmer on the American frontier, if only government would get out of the way. They just don't think much about the power of huge collectivities, such as corporations or nation-states, or races or ethnicities. You're right about identity politics having a primal power over individual liberties. (My guess is Unz Review wouldn't exist if we still held the liberties of yesteryear.)

    I still think libertarian as a sort of default position when thinking about the schemes our masters cook up for us, even though I'm damned sure we don't live anywhere close to a libertarian world.

    Replies: @anon

    Still, libertarians do have a frame of mind that has it that everybody is predisposed to being a yeoman farmer on the American frontier, if only government would get out of the way.

    Libertarians are like engineers who assume that a horse is spherical to make the math easier.

    I give them credit for the fact that they genuinely are trying to come up wiuh a systematic set of principles for all humanity. After awhile, though, you just have to stand back in awe at their lack of understanding of how people actually are.

  160. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @RonaldB
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I used to be a libertarian, which has a fatal flaw. Libertarians regard humans as interchangeable commodities, with economic unit price as the highest value. They totally ignore identity politics, which gives a cohesive group the ability to disproportionately influence government and accrue undeserved resources and influence to themselves. Even in a non-democracy, an identity group is superb at practicing intimidation and getting privileges.

    The stock libertarian reply for unskilled immigrants is that in a totally libertarian environment, there would be no government benefits, so any immigrant unable to contribute would either leave or starve.

    Right.

    See identity politics.

    There is another flaw in the libertarian economic view of man and markets. It's true that in a totally free market for international trade, you get the lowest price per unit good. However, the unit of value is the dollar and not happiness. Totally open markets can put indigenous farmers, craftsmen, or even managers out of jobs, devastating the local culture and economy. Protected markets may raise the price of goods, but may provide a safer, culturally homogeneous, and supportive environment far conducive to individual happiness. So, the net benefit to happiness of a protected market can offset the pure economic costs.

    Of course, in any protected market, there's always the problem of rent-seeking or shutting out legitimate competition, even domestic competition.

    Replies: @JackOH, @anon

    The stock libertarian reply for unskilled immigrants is that in a totally libertarian environment, there would be no government benefits, so any immigrant unable to contribute would either leave or starve.

    And they also seem to have the idea that people would just let themselves starve, too, rather than turning violent before that happens, and making everyone’s life miserable.

    Plus, they always seem to be in such a hurry to bring the immigrants in, before their libertarian utopia actually arrives, never thinking about the fact that the presence of these people makes the eventual libertarian society harder to achieve.

  161. As I understand it, the problem with Russian Jews in late Soviet times was that they were suspected of disloyalty to the state. This was already a concern in the 1940s and became acute after Israel’s victories in 1967.

    Has anyone read Solzhenitsyn’s book on this subject?

  162. If the US were to follow Israel’s example, it would open its borders only to people of British (or at least northwest European) origin. That seems to have been the intention of the framers of the Constitution when they said “ourselves and our Posterity” — a term that’s been loosely interpreted, to put it mildly.

    BTW, I just discovered that the term “Founding Fathers” was only coined less than a century ago, by Warren Harding of all people.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  163. @Tiny Duck
    Open up
    Your eyes. No one like white Christian men

    Everyone agrees you guys have to go

    Just accept it

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel, @Anonymous

    “Open up
    Your eyes. No one like white Christian men
    Everyone agrees you guys have to go
    Just accept it”

    – Someone peed inside his mother.

  164. @Anonymous
    Great job lately Steve. You're doing God's work.

    Now, where the hell is Svigor?

    Replies: @Frau Katze, @SFG

    I ran into him in a bar, but when I brushed into him we both disappeared in a burst of gamma rays, according to the survivors’ accounts.

    Nonetheless, if I’m back to write this, maybe he is too. 😉

  165. Glad things worked out so well for Israel, now they should take back all the Jews in the US, and after that, start taking in all the Muslims, Africans, Central/South Americans, Indians, Asians. This multicultural utopia will be a new superpower in no time.

  166. @Rob McX
    If the US were to follow Israel's example, it would open its borders only to people of British (or at least northwest European) origin. That seems to have been the intention of the framers of the Constitution when they said "ourselves and our Posterity" -- a term that's been loosely interpreted, to put it mildly.

    BTW, I just discovered that the term "Founding Fathers" was only coined less than a century ago, by Warren Harding of all people.

    Replies: @anonymous

  167. @MarkinLA
    @Old Jew

    So this friend of mine, was not admitted to Engineering School in Moscow (Jewish family name) so he went to Perm.

    This isn't proof that he was discriminated against - let alone persecuted as was asserted in the big advertising campaign in the US to support Jews leaving the USSR. I didn't get into Cal Tech, does that mean I was persecuted?

    Replies: @wrd9

    That particular example is anecdotal but the Soviets did implement quotas for Jews in certain areas within a few decades after the Revolution.

    In 1956, “At the outset of the revolution [said Khrushchev] we had many Jews in the leadership of the party and state. & … In due course we have created new cadres. & … Should the Jews want to occupy the foremost positions in our republics now, it would, naturally, be taken amiss by the indigenous inhabitants. The latter would ill receive these pretensions. & … But we are not anti-Semites.”

    The US wasn’t immune from implementing this discrimination as well.

    “American Jews who have made contact with co-religionists in the U.S.S.R. have brought back reports of an increase in obstacles to Jewish employment in favored jobs. “The trend is toward the lowering of class status among Jewish people,” one author wrote.15 A quota system appears to be operating-in admissions to higher education. Although Jews represent 3.1 per cent of all students in higher education, this is a sharp drop from the comparable figure of 13.5 per cent in 1935. The present ratio is much smaller than the proportion of Jews in the total population of the more highly developed and urbanized areas of western Russia which supply the great majority of candidates for higher education. In Moscow, for example, Jews constitute 11 per cent of the population. And a large percentage of Jewish students are in teacher training and music academies, where there are apparently no quotas, rather than in the top-ranking universities and technical institutions.”

    http://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre1962080800#REF%5B14%5D

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @wrd9

    Well, this is just the Russian version of affirmative action. Something Jews in the US seem to be very supportive of (as long as they can use their family and friend ties to avoid it's effects on them) so should it really be called discrimination let alone persecution? Nobody, is losing the opportunity to do something - just the opportunity to do it exactly as they want. What do you expect in a socialized country?


    In addition, you are assuming that everything said by these Jews in the USSR is God's Honest Truth. One thing that I have noticed about Jews is that they do constantly whine about anti-Semitism and seem to think that every time they don't get their way it must be a case of anti-Semitism.

  168. @MarkinLA
    @Welsh

    Not retarded. They just have to defend an indefensible position. Everybody knows the downside to mass immigration is bigger than the upside. However, these people need a argument and all the old ones have been used up and either debunked or laughed at.

    Remember we had the Japanese death spiral, the saving Social Security angle, the who will work in the old folks home, the list goes on.

    A long time ago I remember reading an article about how the unpopular ideas are pushed in the media such as gun control and NAFTA. The paid shills publish disparate articles based on sketchy "social science" or their supposedly well thought out opinions. However, they all have the same conclusion. The purpose of these articles to find a meme that works with the public. Once that is found the shills start producing articles advancing variations of that argument.

    Japan need immigrants because .......

    Replies: @wrd9

    In the 1990s, they started doing that with outsourcing to India and the insourcing of Indian H1Bs. It was all extreme hype. And some of it was blatant “in your face” insults. I clearly remember a Boston Magazine cover that had a picture of an Indian on it with the headline that goes along the line of, “They are smarter than you”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @wrd9

    Henry Ford used to hire black workers in his factories and would tell them that they needed to work harder than the whites to prove themselves. Meanwhile he would spread rumors among the white workers that if they didn't work harder they would all be fired and replaced with blacks. Result: a highly-motivated workforce!

  169. @WJ
    @Peter Akuleyev

    "Russia’s long term cultural, scientific and economic decline is directly connected to the rapid decline in Russia’s Jewish population over the last 40 years."

    Yes, because nothing proclaims success more than Chernobyl, the Lada Riva muscle car, Lake Karachay, the most polluted body of water on the planet, USSR military weaponry that the US has routinely destroyed with great impunity in any armed conflict (think Persian Gulf War 1) or the whole stinking rotten commie system with it's material hardships and it's constant oppression.

    Things were waaaay better there, before they left.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    ……USSR military weaponry that the US has routinely destroyed with great impunity in any armed conflict (think Persian Gulf War 1)

    Russian weaponry is probably pretty good (it was in WWII). In the hands of russians, it is probably very effective. In the hands of Iraqis, who where not all that keen to fight us anyway, not so much. Saddam Hussein’s forces could have had phasers and we probably still would have shellacked them.

    One is reminded of Moshe Dyan’s advice on how to win wars: “Fight arabs”.

    I wonder if the Washington Establishments’ current enthusiasm for provoking the Russian Bear owes something to our overwhelming victory in the Gulf War. Do they think that the Russians are nothing but a paper tiger because we so easily disposed of a huge army equipped with russian weapons? Do they think it is the weapons that matter most, not the men who wield them? That would be in keeping with their belief in magic schools, magic pavement, and magic dirt………magic hardware.

    If so, that is a very dangerous misconception.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Mr. Anon

    Mr Anon:

    That reminds me of Churchill's dictum: You don't know war is until you've fought Germans!

    , @MarkinLA
    @Mr. Anon

    Most countries that export weapons do not send their current most advanced versions of a weapon. So you may have a dogfight between an F-18 and an SU-35 in Syria but the Russian SU-35 would be a whole different animal - let alone being flown by a much better pilot.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  170. @RonaldB
    @Ben Kurtz

    "Muslim immigration — they had to be screened more carefully than Russian Jews "

    There are several problems with this construction.

    You can screen Muslims and allow in only the peaceful, well-educated, productive ones. As long as they remain a very small minority you won't have a problem, at least with the original immigrants.

    But, since you're skimming the cream off the very top of the MENA population, regression to the mean kicks in, and the children have lower-level skills, work ethics and intelligence from what you'd expect from a European population of that intelligence.

    And, Islam itself is a subversive and expansionist theology. As long as a Muslim is a Muslim, he will give allegiance to Muslim supremacy. If he doesn't, he might as well stop being a Muslim. So, even the peaceful and productive Muslim immigrants will give financial and political support to the more supremacist groups such as CAIR and the various and numerous Muslim advancement societies. Which put political pressure on government officials to go easy on Muslims and kick back on surveillance. And of course, they promote public support for Muslim charter schools, where their children learn the pure doctrines of Islamic supremacy at public expense.

    In short, it's the self-advancing leveraging effect of an initially-peaceful and integrated group working to increase its own presence.

    The correct number of Muslims to have is exactly the number we already have, and not one more. Note, I am not calling for the expulsion of Muslims who are already citizens. We made that decision, so we have to live with it.

    Replies: @ATX Hipster, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Frau Katze, @wrd9

    If you peruse Mother Jones’s mass shooting database, you’d find that Muslims are overrepresented. They don’t say that explicitly as you have to dig around although they do admit that blacks and asians are overrepresented. Not a good sign as the US diversifies.

  171. @Mr. Anon
    @WJ


    ......USSR military weaponry that the US has routinely destroyed with great impunity in any armed conflict (think Persian Gulf War 1)
     
    Russian weaponry is probably pretty good (it was in WWII). In the hands of russians, it is probably very effective. In the hands of Iraqis, who where not all that keen to fight us anyway, not so much. Saddam Hussein's forces could have had phasers and we probably still would have shellacked them.

    One is reminded of Moshe Dyan's advice on how to win wars: "Fight arabs".

    I wonder if the Washington Establishments' current enthusiasm for provoking the Russian Bear owes something to our overwhelming victory in the Gulf War. Do they think that the Russians are nothing but a paper tiger because we so easily disposed of a huge army equipped with russian weapons? Do they think it is the weapons that matter most, not the men who wield them? That would be in keeping with their belief in magic schools, magic pavement, and magic dirt.........magic hardware.

    If so, that is a very dangerous misconception.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @MarkinLA

    Mr Anon:

    That reminds me of Churchill’s dictum: You don’t know war is until you’ve fought Germans!

  172. @wrd9
    @MarkinLA

    That particular example is anecdotal but the Soviets did implement quotas for Jews in certain areas within a few decades after the Revolution.

    In 1956, “At the outset of the revolution [said Khrushchev] we had many Jews in the leadership of the party and state. & … In due course we have created new cadres. & … Should the Jews want to occupy the foremost positions in our republics now, it would, naturally, be taken amiss by the indigenous inhabitants. The latter would ill receive these pretensions. & … But we are not anti-Semites.”

    The US wasn't immune from implementing this discrimination as well.

    "American Jews who have made contact with co-religionists in the U.S.S.R. have brought back reports of an increase in obstacles to Jewish employment in favored jobs. “The trend is toward the lowering of class status among Jewish people,” one author wrote.15 A quota system appears to be operating-in admissions to higher education. Although Jews represent 3.1 per cent of all students in higher education, this is a sharp drop from the comparable figure of 13.5 per cent in 1935. The present ratio is much smaller than the proportion of Jews in the total population of the more highly developed and urbanized areas of western Russia which supply the great majority of candidates for higher education. In Moscow, for example, Jews constitute 11 per cent of the population. And a large percentage of Jewish students are in teacher training and music academies, where there are apparently no quotas, rather than in the top-ranking universities and technical institutions."

    http://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre1962080800#REF[14]

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    Well, this is just the Russian version of affirmative action. Something Jews in the US seem to be very supportive of (as long as they can use their family and friend ties to avoid it’s effects on them) so should it really be called discrimination let alone persecution? Nobody, is losing the opportunity to do something – just the opportunity to do it exactly as they want. What do you expect in a socialized country?

    In addition, you are assuming that everything said by these Jews in the USSR is God’s Honest Truth. One thing that I have noticed about Jews is that they do constantly whine about anti-Semitism and seem to think that every time they don’t get their way it must be a case of anti-Semitism.

  173. @Mr. Anon
    @WJ


    ......USSR military weaponry that the US has routinely destroyed with great impunity in any armed conflict (think Persian Gulf War 1)
     
    Russian weaponry is probably pretty good (it was in WWII). In the hands of russians, it is probably very effective. In the hands of Iraqis, who where not all that keen to fight us anyway, not so much. Saddam Hussein's forces could have had phasers and we probably still would have shellacked them.

    One is reminded of Moshe Dyan's advice on how to win wars: "Fight arabs".

    I wonder if the Washington Establishments' current enthusiasm for provoking the Russian Bear owes something to our overwhelming victory in the Gulf War. Do they think that the Russians are nothing but a paper tiger because we so easily disposed of a huge army equipped with russian weapons? Do they think it is the weapons that matter most, not the men who wield them? That would be in keeping with their belief in magic schools, magic pavement, and magic dirt.........magic hardware.

    If so, that is a very dangerous misconception.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @MarkinLA

    Most countries that export weapons do not send their current most advanced versions of a weapon. So you may have a dogfight between an F-18 and an SU-35 in Syria but the Russian SU-35 would be a whole different animal – let alone being flown by a much better pilot.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @MarkinLA

    That is undoubtedly true, but probably does not explain the poor showing of the Iraqi army in 1991. If we had faced a russian army of equivalent size to the Iraqi army, we would have been in for a much more difficult fight. I'm not a military man, but I think that's a safe thing to say.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

  174. @MarkinLA
    @Mr. Anon

    Most countries that export weapons do not send their current most advanced versions of a weapon. So you may have a dogfight between an F-18 and an SU-35 in Syria but the Russian SU-35 would be a whole different animal - let alone being flown by a much better pilot.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    That is undoubtedly true, but probably does not explain the poor showing of the Iraqi army in 1991. If we had faced a russian army of equivalent size to the Iraqi army, we would have been in for a much more difficult fight. I’m not a military man, but I think that’s a safe thing to say.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @Mr. Anon

    clicked on the wrong button see comment 175

  175. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @wrd9
    @MarkinLA

    In the 1990s, they started doing that with outsourcing to India and the insourcing of Indian H1Bs. It was all extreme hype. And some of it was blatant "in your face" insults. I clearly remember a Boston Magazine cover that had a picture of an Indian on it with the headline that goes along the line of, "They are smarter than you".

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Henry Ford used to hire black workers in his factories and would tell them that they needed to work harder than the whites to prove themselves. Meanwhile he would spread rumors among the white workers that if they didn’t work harder they would all be fired and replaced with blacks. Result: a highly-motivated workforce!

  176. The Iraqi Army in 1991 was completely depleted after it’s long war with Iran that they came very close to losing. They simply had no will to fight. Toss in weaponry that was clearly inferior, poor conscripts fighting out in the open desert where the US forces could fire their weapons out of range of anything the Iraqis had and it was obvious that the Iraqi army was going to collapse.

  177. @Mr. Anon
    @MarkinLA

    That is undoubtedly true, but probably does not explain the poor showing of the Iraqi army in 1991. If we had faced a russian army of equivalent size to the Iraqi army, we would have been in for a much more difficult fight. I'm not a military man, but I think that's a safe thing to say.

    Replies: @MarkinLA

    clicked on the wrong button see comment 175

  178. “Israel’s experience when Ariel Sharon invited in lots of Russian Jews (and quasi-Jews):”

    Soviet Jewish immigration to Israel wasn’t mostly Ariel Sharon’s doing; housing that wave of migration was. The mass immigration of Soviet Jews was supported on both sides of the Israeli political spectrum and by the Israeli population overall. The idea that Sharon brought in Soviet Jews to replace the citizens of Israel at the time with a group that was more aligned to putting him in power is projecting what US politicians have been doing here onto the Israeli political scene. If Ariel Sharon was trying to bring in voters and to change demographics he would have done something like bring in the Bnei Menashe en masse.

    The Bnei Menashe in case you aren’t familiar are a tribe on the Indian-Burmese border who started claiming that they are descendants of the biblical tribe of Menashe. Israel allows immigration of a small number of individuals who formally convert to Judaism but isn’t doing a sort of airlift like with Ethiopians. The number of people in that area who’d be interested in moving to Israel could number as high as 3 million. If Ariel Sharon wanted to have a built in voter base and tilt the entire demographics of the West Bank his way, putting a million armed informally converted to Judaism Indian-Burmese fighters in the area would have done it. But that never happened.

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