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Charlottesville: Thomas Jefferson’s landscape architecture

From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

Carved Upon the Landscape
by Steve Sailer
August 16, 2017

Why the ever-increasing hatred for America’s past?

You might think that, on the whole, American history is, relative to world history, fairly impressive and heartening.

But it’s precisely American history’s virtues, more than anything else, that enrage so many people these days against the great men of the American past. While the Founding Fathers might be nominally condemned for their misdeeds, they are largely resented for their accomplishments.

Human history suggests that people are naturally prejudiced in favor of their own ancestors, because the accomplishments of their forefathers reflect well upon them.

America is increasingly dominated by people with shallow roots in this country. So it’s hardly surprising that they find it insulting to reflect upon what Americans not related to them once accomplished. Instead, it’s heartening to denounce the Founding Fathers as bad men whose descendants deserve their displacement.

Punching down is safer and more fun than punching up. Hence the less dominant become the founding stock, the more their lineage is abused.

Read the whole thing there.

On the other hand, it could be that Washington rather than Jefferson will come after Lee and Jackson. After all, Robert E. Lee was Washington’s step-grandson-in-law, so that practically means that Washington was corrupted by blood.

 
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  1. I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. “So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?”

    This brought a shrug. “Maybe it should come down.”

    • Replies: @Jake
    @KM32

    And after they take down Jefferson, they will go after Lincoln. He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa.

    The Revolution never ends.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @for-the-record, @Anonym, @AndrewR

    , @27 year old
    @KM32

    >my SJW teenager yesterday

    I sure hope you're not planning to give her a dime for college

    Replies: @KM32, @Achmed E. Newman, @Yak-15

    , @AM
    @KM32


    This brought a shrug. “Maybe it should come down.”
     
    Did you get past this point? It's possible to keep going.

    When the only virtue is equality and slave holding (which was a shockingly universal labor type before the industrial revolution) is now the "duh, how could they do that? It's stupid and evil", unfortunately, there's nothing but a sea of evil hypocrites left in the Founding Fathers. How society is now interacting with itself is being extended into the past.

    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn't stop importing Africans because they couldn't stop killing them. Africans multiplied here, presumably because slaveholders took reasonable care of them.

    Pull out the story of Moses - point out how quite often slavery ends up being a consensual relationship. The people freed from slavery never got the promised land, because in the end they wanted to go back to slavery. You can find interviews of the last American black slaves and they'll say very similar things - slavery was better than the labor arrangements afterwards.

    Bring complexity to the "slavery is bad" narrative. Add the very real complexity of human slavery throughout time. That might help still the SJW instincts in your teenager.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Harry Baldwin, @Neil Templeton

    , @L Woods
    @KM32

    This is obviously just an anecdote, but this reminds how much I really don't buy the idea that Generation Z is dramatically to the right of its antecedents.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @george strong
    @KM32

    Be a responsible parent and drown your SJW child in the toilet.

    , @e
    @KM32

    Ask her if POTUS Trump should demand of Egypt that her pyramids be destroyed. They are, after all, offensive to the progeny of the slaves who toiled to built them. If she says, "Yes," give her away.

    A second suggestion is that you have a heart to heart, a serious discussion about human nature and family in hopes she'll come to understand that the young men who fought in gray were simply protecting their families and what little land they might have been squatting on. You know, put her inside the head of a 16 year old girl or boy of the era who hears some strangers are comin' to take what they have. Boil it down to neighbor fighting for neighbor and father fighting for wife and kids. War is personal.

    , @Rod1963
    @KM32

    I hope you're smart enough not to tell her you are part of the alt_right or you may find yourself out of a job and later getting that knock on the door at 4 AM.

    , @Wilkey
    @KM32

    Cutting her off at 18 when her views are still evolving? Bad idea. Cutting her out of the will after a lifetime of stupid political views (and not producing any grandkids)? Terrific idea.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @KM32

    Does your kid have a job? Make them go work in a restaurant. That is the quickest way to impress reality on a teenager. Guarantee you the SJW mentality will disappear fast. They may stay liberal but they will not be a SJW.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @Ed
    @KM32

    This is how we got gay marriage, shrugs. Kids are not being raised with a sense of tradition or pride, just consumption of mass culture. This period of affluence better hold up or all heck is going to break loose.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @KM32

    Your teen should apply for an internship at NRO.

  2. “What’s best in life?” is to stand
    With grandsons on grandfather’s land,
    Kith and kin against death,
    And affirm with each breath
    The strength in a DNA strand.

    • Agree: Romanian
    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Horatio at the Helix.

  3. Thomas Jefferson the WASP was more than half Scottish. His English ancestors tended to have strong ties, business as well as familial and cultural, across the Scottish border.

    That ethno-cultural slant, I think, explains why Jefferson was always disliked, or worse, by the northern WASPs, while he was accepted easily, naturally, by the South’s non-elites, the people, David Hackett Fischer calls ‘Borderers’ = and whom Fischer notes came mostly from northeastern Ireland but also from Scotland and Wales and the English counties bordering Scotland and Wales. Those are the same people that Grady McWhiney and Forest McDonald call ‘Celtic Crackers.’

    Fischer’s Anglo-Norman gentry of the Coast – who came from west and north England – did not fit with Fischer’s WASPs of the northeastern states, bur they did fit with the Borderers/Crackers.

  4. @KM32
    I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. "So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?"

    This brought a shrug. "Maybe it should come down."

    Replies: @Jake, @27 year old, @AM, @L Woods, @george strong, @e, @Rod1963, @Wilkey, @S. Anonyia, @Ed, @Dave Pinsen

    And after they take down Jefferson, they will go after Lincoln. He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa.

    The Revolution never ends.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @Jake

    I can't wait for them to come after the holy Republican Lincoln. So far, all the Paul Ryan RINOs have done is gravel at the feet of anyone screaming "racist."

    But Lincoln is their holy grail of founding fathers. He "freed the slaves" and thus can't be racist! We'll see if his like Ryan have any backbone when they come for Lincoln or if it just corporate donations all the way down.

    Replies: @Jake, @AndrewR

    , @for-the-record
    @Jake

    And after they take down Jefferson, they will go after Lincoln. He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa.

    Not only that, he also supported the "original" 13th Amendment (the Corwin Amendment) which would have forever enshrined slavery in the Constitution. The text of the Amendment reads:


    ‘No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.’’

     

    This is what Lincoln had to say about the Amendment in his 1st Inaugural, on March 4, 1861, which for some unfathomable reason doesn't seem to be quoted as frequently as his 2nd Inaugural:

    I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution—which amendment, however, I have not seen—has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service ... holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.
     
    On August 22, 1862 he wrote to Horace Greeley on the paramount importance of restoring the Union, a letter published two days later in the New York Times.

    My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.
     
    http://www.nytimes.com/1862/08/24/news/letter-president-lincoln-reply-horace-greeley-slavery-union-restoration-union.html
    , @Anonym
    @Jake

    It would be fun to tear down MLK statues based on his misogyny, especially towards white women, and also as a reprisal against our statues being ISISed. In this era, people might actually learn the rationale, which would have potential to send the left into paroxysms of in-fighting.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2407403/Sex-tapes-FBI-smears-double-life-human-saint-The-Martin-Luther-King-story.html

    Replies: @Barnard

    , @AndrewR
    @Jake

    The inevitable iconoclasm of Lincoln is a major silver lining of our current trajectory.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  5. I get your point, as in half of Obama’s ancestry has zero roots in America. But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America. No immigrants or sons of immigrants in that mob, so I would think. There sure are a lot of prominent media talking heads who were not born here with Farheed Zakaria and Christiana Amanpour being the most irritating. Joy-Ann Reid born here of Congolese and some other foreigner is awful and a dunce. She thinks she is a genius. There are others.
    (No I am not going to spell check the above people, they are not worth it)

    And sad to say we have youth whose families have been here for a long time. That our colleges have brainwashed into aimless lefties and elevators of gaydom and trans nonsense. Legalization of marijuana is softening up young peoples brains to believe leftist propaganda and blame Thomas Jefferson. Any white kid who proclaims, “I am anti-racist” has gone all in.

    When you think about it, it is very odd that so many American youth are willing to take their cues from blacks and their culture. They are just 11% of the population.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AM
    @Clyde


    But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America.
     
    I live near Durham, NC. It is highly unlike that it's either.

    Durham was mill town with profile like Detriot. Downtown Durham is now quite like Detriot. It's mostly ghettoized blacks with no means (or perhaps motivation) to move on or out.

    Meanwhile, Duke University is within walking distance of the courthouse with statue. It costs $50K to go there and it's faulty and students are typical of a wealthy, liberal arts university. Some locals, but many out of state people. Duke came this close to allowing Islamic call to prayer over speakers from it's famous Methodist Gothic chapel. Only the furious almuni stopped it.

    In other words, downtown Durham's demographics are that unholy alliance of lower class blacks and typical wealthy, white, Democratic voting blocks. Duke also has many foriegn students and one of the ongoing local issue is in fact their lack of interest in the local beyond Duke. Certainly pulling down a statue of the type of person who founded Duke would be a way to "atone".

    Actual white southerners from the Durham area live in it's suburbs or in the county of Durham and would commute into downtown at best at this point.

    So I think it's safe to say that perhaps this was college project with the irony here of blacks doing the dirty work of actually pulling down the statue, assuming I got the facts right of it.

    , @San Fernando Curt
    @Clyde


    When you think about it, it is very odd that so many American youth are willing to take their cues from blacks and their culture. They are just 11% of the population.
     
    ...And media, government, and academia - our holy-trinity social legitimator - neeeever promotes black interests at aaaaaall.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clyde

    Clyde, I don't think legality of "the pot" is really a big factor. People are going to use it, legal or not, and I am NOT an aficionado, BTW.

    However, as to the native born youth with long-term roots, the brainwashing from K-12 on to 18 years (gradual school, anyone?) is the problem. Unless the parents spend a lot of time, or even better, home-school, think about this: Do you have kids, Clyde? Once you do, it's easy to see that their whole world is just everything that surrounds them when little, and it's easy to pour ideas into their heads, with no counterbalance. Their minds are wide open, and they won't see anything but what they're taught unless you get them to think critically early on.

    I don't mean some asinine class in "critical thinking". You just have to let them know right away when someone is full of crap, whether purposefully or not. Believe 1/2 or what you hear and 1/4 of what you read my smart Dad would always say. Or, possibly vice versa. I'm down to about .25 and .027 at this point.

    Replies: @AM

    , @Beckow
    @Clyde

    They are angry and they lack humility. They have been told for years that the moment they step on the US soil they are exactly the same as anyone there - perfect, immediate equality (Voltaire in retrospect was an idiot).

    The home-grown ones have never been homogeneous. Many of the iconoclasts are within that tradition and it only takes a few hundred to take down a statue. In the last few years the liberal media-academia mental complex has reached full dominance - a by-product of Obama and demographics. They will not stop, hide your statues.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Clyde


    I get your point, as in half of Obama’s ancestry has zero roots in America. But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America. No immigrants or sons of immigrants in that mob,
    * * *
    And sad to say we have youth whose families have been here for a long time. That our colleges have brainwashed into aimless lefties and elevators of gaydom and trans nonsense.
     
    They were students if the reports are correct, and those college towns in the South have attracted previously Northerners to live permanently who are more likely to have been descendants of pre-1920s immigrants.

    The displacement of the founding stock is not just physical and material but moral and cultural - a source of shame rather than pride. You have to prove that you're not tainted by racism.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @Danindc
    @Clyde

    I think the main psychotic female in the mob was Chinese or Philippino- check out the video- she had pigtails- anyway it's a coalition of fringes, obese pathetic beta whites, blacks, other wretched refuse etc

    Steve has retweetd my new favorite twitter follow https://twitter.com/weihanwang4/status/897165799101804544

    Love this guy!

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @Clyde

    Who are the Durham whites who participated? They are not Southerners, they are the third/fourth generation of the Great Migration out of white ethnic neighborhoods that was engineered after WWII... they come to The University of New Jersey in Durham (Duke) with no roots themselves, despising the locals who are "rednecks" and seek to transform Durham into Williamsburg South, a hipster paradise of craft breweries, start-ups, and local foodie culture...
    It's why the Research Triangle was created, to bring in northerners with STEM degrees... for a lower cost of living than New Jersey you can have an ambiguously designed pile of luxury Sheetrock, go to Target, Soccer practice, watch Netflix... and your kids can LARP a start-up in exposed brick tobacco warehouses while drinking IPAs at a fraction of the cost of San Fran...

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Abe

  6. It’s a futile task to try to improve the past.

  7. If George Washington had a grandson, he would have looked like Robert. E. Lee.

    Actually, Lee was the son of another Revolutionary War General who delivered the eulogy at Washington’s funeral and he was married to George Washington’s step-granddaughter. He really was the closest thing that Washington had to a direct descendant and heir. This has been played down because Lee was on the losing side. I’m sure that if the Confederates had won, the connections between Lee and Washington would be featured more prominently in history books.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Jack D

    Let's hope Washington and Lee University doesn't change its name.

    Replies: @Dignan

  8. WKPD:

    In 1787, Hemings, aged 14, accompanied Jefferson’s youngest daughter Mary (“Polly”) to London and then to Paris, where the widowed Jefferson, aged 44 at the time, was serving as the United States Minister to France. Hemings spent two years there. It is believed by most historians that Jefferson began a sexual relationship with Hemings in France or soon after their return to Monticello.

    Fourteen? I hadn’t known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.

    • Replies: @anon
    @dearieme

    Fourteen? I hadn't known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.

    In the end, that may be his saving grace. The pedo is alternative lifestyle and needs support from SJW. See the high esteem they hold Mohammad in.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    , @Anon
    @dearieme

    Jefferson had his good points, (see the Declaration of Independence) but he also had his bad ones, and they were plentiful. As governer of Virginia, he ran away like a coward when the British attacked, and he failed to organize Virginia properly for its defense. He didn't have a clue about war. Yet he had the nerve to go after Hamilton who actually fought in the army. Jefferson did all he could to make Hamilton's job as Secretary of the Treasury a pain, even though it was Hamilton's advice and hard work that got the fledgling government on its feet. Jefferson was never grateful that Hamilton helped win Jefferson the presidential election, either. Forget the stupid musical. If you've read Chernow's book, you become aware that the country would not have been able to function in its early days as a working governmental structure without Hamilton.

    Jefferson, we didn't need so much. Jefferson could be petty and spiteful. His greatest virtue was not being incompetant in office, and he may have served the country better by being nothing more than a dilettantish country squire tinkering with things. Madison also ran away like a coward when the British came a-calling in 1812, and he had no idea how to organize the militia either, and he was even more spiteful and petty than Jefferson, but he earned his legitimate place in history by doing a lot of hefting lifting when it came to the Constitution.

    Replies: @dearieme

    , @syonredux
    @dearieme


    WKPD:

    In 1787, Hemings, aged 14, accompanied Jefferson’s youngest daughter Mary (“Polly”) to London and then to Paris, where the widowed Jefferson, aged 44 at the time, was serving as the United States Minister to France. Hemings spent two years there. It is believed by most historians that Jefferson began a sexual relationship with Hemings in France or soon after their return to Monticello.

    Fourteen? I hadn’t known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.
     
    More like somewhere between 14 and 16. Call me jaded, but that seems somewhat less objectionable than the actions of Muhammad, who violated a 9 year old....

    According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad and nine when the marriage was consummated.[11][12][13][14][10][21] For example, Sahih al-Bukhari, considered by many Sunni Muslims as the most authentic book after Quran, states:

    Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

    —Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64
     
    RE;:Jefferson and Sally Hemings,

    Slavery seems oddly tangential to the whole thing.It begins, after all, in Paris, where Sally is a free woman.Hence, what we have here is an entanglement between a servant girl and her older, wealthy, world famous employer, who is also a widower.It’s a harlequin romance avant la lettre. Indeed, the fact that Sally was also the half-sister of Jefferson’s dead wife (did they resemble one another?) adds a nice Gothic frisson to the whole thing.

    Then she becomes pregnant*, and Jefferson is recalled to the USA to become America’s first Secretary of State.Sally is in a quandary.Stay in Paris as a free woman or go back to Virginia and be a slave. Lets look at the pros and the cons of it:

    Staying in Paris: Freedom for herself and her child.Which also means living as a single mother amidst the Parisian proletariat.That future looks rather bleak. Endless labor.Marriage, perhaps, to some Parisian layabout.

    Back to Virginia: Living as the concubine of the wealthy, famous, and powerful Thomas Jefferson.A man who is going to be Secretary of State....And is almost certainly going to be President someday....

    * Allegedly. We only have Madison Hemings' word on this point

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Alden
    @dearieme

    They all came back from Paris when Sally was 16. She was pregnant, near term with her first child who was born and died shortly after they arrived back in the US.

    And while in Paris, she was nanny to his younger daughter and companion to the older daughter of Jefferson.

    One would think he would keep his teenage girl friend separate from his teenage daughter. Oh well

    Replies: @Jack D, @gregor

    , @Alden
    @dearieme

    They all came back from Paris when Sally was 16. She was pregnant, near term with her first child who was born and died shortly after they arrived back in the US.

    And while in Paris, she was nanny to his younger daughter and companion and classmate to the older daughter of Jefferson.

    One would think he would keep his teenage girl friend separate from his teenage daughter. Oh well

    , @gregor
    @dearieme

    "Believed by most historians" = no actual evidence.

    The DNA test "proving" the Sally Hemings affair was done on a descendant of Sally's son Eston who was born in 1808 when Thomas Jefferson was 64. The test indicated a Y chromosome match, suggesting the father was from the Jefferson line, but not necessarily Thomas. (His brother Randolph, for example, who was younger and had a reputation for socializing with the slaves, is another candidate.) From there, it's just assumed TJ was the father of *all* her children. You have to make several leaps to claim he was schtupping a 14 year old slave. But when defaming the founders, it's best to err on the side of scandal.

    In the build up to the bulldozing of the Jefferson monument, I bet Rolling Stone will publish a newly discovered account of the Jeffersons gangraping Sally on shards of broken glass.

    The Jefferson bros entered the slave quarters swigging beers and exchanging high fives.

    "Grab its motherf***ing leg," she heard a voice say. And that's when Sally knew she going to be raped ...

  9. It’s difficult to not be of two minds about the issues of confederate statues. On one hand, a good deal of my ancestors fought them as Union soldiers. Some of them whose war grave I can find on an ancestry website. They died to preserve the union and they fought with bayonets the people commanded by the confederate officers who those statues represent. If they are anything like me, they would resent the existence of those statues.

    On the other hand, these SJW monsters are erasing history. They are trying to piously absolve themselves if the sins of the past. Somewhat like Jesus, they believe they are tearing down these statues and killing them to save future generations. This is no different than the Taliban dynamiting ancient Buddhists rock statues. Who are they to change my history? What right do they have to tear down monuments of American history regardless of what they stand for? The absurdity of the whole situation is breathtaking.

    They believe they are destroying the idols of the evil other side and that it will somehow scatter its followers. It’s tribal and beyond bizarre. It’s indicative of why multi-cultural societies inherently devolve into strife and corruption. Do they somehow think that smashing these monuments will somehow purge humanity of its endemic preference for those like themselves?

    It’s equivalent would be to destroy the great First World War monuments in order to rid the French people of warrior spirit to prevent war.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Yak-15

    On one hand, a good deal of my ancestors fought them as Union soldiers. Some of them whose war grave I can find on an ancestry website. They died to preserve the union and they fought with bayonets the people commanded by the confederate officers who those statues represent. If they are anything like me, they would resent the existence of those statues.

    The confederate soldiers died to defend their country from invasion and subjugation.

    But regardless of how you characterize the conflict, they and their descendants would resent your desire--you who are an admitted outsider--to desecrate memorials to their war dead.

  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In reality, the greatest sins of those who built America, and frankly the greatest sins of the West, have been kindness and generosity. These are great virtues, and among our greatest strengths when extended to ourselves. They create high trust, low crime, low corruption societies, where people watch out for one another, help each other through hardships and the cream can rise to the top. But it is ruthless exploited by people from everywhere else, who view it not as virtue, but view it the same way a thief views a home where the people don’t lock their doors.

    People in other parts of the world aren’t dealing with this BS because they never had their others to deal with. When they conquered others, the others either were subsumed inside the dominant people completely, or they were annihilated. Needless to say, these people wouldn’t think of letting in the ‘wretched refuse’ of other lands come and suckle off their generosity, spit on their ancestors, and talk about and act in ways to wipe out the majority.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Jake
    @Anonymous

    "In reality, the greatest sins of those who built America, and frankly the greatest sins of the West, have been kindness and generosity."

    Tenderness leads to the gas chambers.

    The post-Christian West came up with the new religion of saving the world's blacks and browns from hunger, and the end result is that the welfare has made the blacks and browns hate the West and white people more than ever.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Anonymous

    "In reality, the greatest sins of those who built America, and frankly the greatest sins of the West, have been kindness and generosity."

    Depends by what you mean by built. I can think of a few sins worse than kindness and generosity, and I'm sure you can too. Slavery was definitely one, and the avaricious genocide of native peoples (the savages Jefferson complains about in the Declaration) in North and South America was another. Killing off the Indians only to turn the conquered land over to others from around the world compounds the original sin.

    That everyone did it in the past doesn't make it right. We don't get to pretend that we didn't do it, either, as a culture. We won't win by telling ourselves pretty lies.

    Replies: @Alden

  11. Nassim Taleb recounts the old Levantine saying, in Antifragile: the man who has no past has no future. I mentioned this to an Israeli friend, and he told me the Israeli version: “a tree without roots cannot grow.”

    • Agree: Dahlia
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @TomSchmidt

    For much of our youth (and adults that haven't outgrown their adolescence), "living in the moment" is their mantra. They couldn't care less about the future.

    It also explains the lack of impulse control in much of society.

  12. A couple of centuries later, in the 1930s, even Yale University, in the heartland of Yankee Puritanism, wanted to model its then-new “residential colleges” on Jefferson’s brilliant system:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residential_colleges_of_Yale_University

    Timothy Dwight, a Georgian Revival structure, was influenced by Southern plantation architecture. Although the name has fallen out of use, a secluded courtyard in Pierson was known widely as the “Slave Quarters” for its Southern-style house-like buildings adjacent to the college’s main courtyard. Until 1960, Pierson students were referred to collectively as “Slaves.”

    http://timothydwight.yalecollege.yale.edu/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davenport_College
    http://pierson.yalecollege.yale.edu/

  13. @KM32
    I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. "So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?"

    This brought a shrug. "Maybe it should come down."

    Replies: @Jake, @27 year old, @AM, @L Woods, @george strong, @e, @Rod1963, @Wilkey, @S. Anonyia, @Ed, @Dave Pinsen

    >my SJW teenager yesterday

    I sure hope you’re not planning to give her a dime for college

    • Replies: @KM32
    @27 year old

    The kid has gone full communist, and yeah, I'd like to say fine, ask the government for money then. Oh, and it would probably be best if you moved out when you're eighteen so I don't have to listen to you endlessly going on about white men, cis-privilege, and other crap.

    But try telling a warm-hearted, loving mother than you're going to cut off your kid for bad political views, and see how well it goes over.

    Replies: @Lot, @Kylie, @Desiderius, @27 year old, @Ed

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @27 year old


    I sure hope you’re not planning to give her a dime for college.
     
    Yeah, she can borrow it all off the taxpayers (you may even be one) and then it can be forgiven - isn't that what you want?

    Think about it 27-y/o. I've agreed with you on a lot of things, but not the socialism. Do you want to pay for this guy's kid? (He didn't say boy or girl, but your assumption might be pretty good.)
    , @Yak-15
    @27 year old

    Donate her money to a scholarship for black students or something along those lines. Check her privilege and tell her that you are just righting historic wrongs.

  14. @Jake
    @KM32

    And after they take down Jefferson, they will go after Lincoln. He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa.

    The Revolution never ends.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @for-the-record, @Anonym, @AndrewR

    I can’t wait for them to come after the holy Republican Lincoln. So far, all the Paul Ryan RINOs have done is gravel at the feet of anyone screaming “racist.”

    But Lincoln is their holy grail of founding fathers. He “freed the slaves” and thus can’t be racist! We’ll see if his like Ryan have any backbone when they come for Lincoln or if it just corporate donations all the way down.

    • Replies: @Jake
    @Polynikes

    Ron Unz needs to invite Thomas DiLorenzo to post a list here of Lincoln at his most racist. It would be long, and eye-opening for the ignorant.

    , @AndrewR
    @Polynikes

    Who can imagine Paul Ryan doing anything resembling courage? Not I.

  15. @Jake
    @KM32

    And after they take down Jefferson, they will go after Lincoln. He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa.

    The Revolution never ends.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @for-the-record, @Anonym, @AndrewR

    And after they take down Jefferson, they will go after Lincoln. He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa.

    Not only that, he also supported the “original” 13th Amendment (the Corwin Amendment) which would have forever enshrined slavery in the Constitution. The text of the Amendment reads:

    ‘No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.’’

    This is what Lincoln had to say about the Amendment in his 1st Inaugural, on March 4, 1861, which for some unfathomable reason doesn’t seem to be quoted as frequently as his 2nd Inaugural:

    I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution—which amendment, however, I have not seen—has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service … holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable.

    On August 22, 1862 he wrote to Horace Greeley on the paramount importance of restoring the Union, a letter published two days later in the New York Times.

    My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1862/08/24/news/letter-president-lincoln-reply-horace-greeley-slavery-union-restoration-union.html

  16. Slightly off-topic, but the Erdeley quote is weirdly reminiscent of one by Frank Deford that appeared in his 1979 story on UVa (one of many that were highlighted upon his death earlier this year.

    Deford:
    There is always the sense that he’ll be back in minute, that he just went down to the apothecary, or is over at the Sunoco station, kicking whitewalls.

    Erdeley:
    Thomas Jefferson, whose lore is so powerfully woven into everyday UVA life that you practically expect to glimpse the man still walking the grounds in his waistcoat and pantaloons.

    Hardly an egregious example of plagiarism, but an example of how unoriginal Erdeley is as a writer.

    It’s hard to imagine the Deford piece being written today without all kinds of handwringing about the evil, racist past of the school and its founder

    https://www.si.com/vault/1980/09/15/106775470/its-virginiaaaa

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Ex-banker

    Erdeley must have smirked as she described Jefferson wearing "pantaloons." Ha ha--funny word! Take that, Jefferson, you dead white male, you! Of course, what he actually wore would be called knee breeches, but what could a Borscht Belt comic do with that?

  17. A couple of weeks ago, the Sioux Falls Argus Leader ran an obnoxious editorial somewhat critical of Mount Rushmore based on a column they read in the New York Times. Some of these SJWs would prefer to see the economies of their own states suffer rather than honor Washington and Jefferson.

    http://www.argusleader.com/story/opinion/2017/08/04/editorial-south-dakota-still-tourism-hot-spot/539688001/

  18. @KM32
    I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. "So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?"

    This brought a shrug. "Maybe it should come down."

    Replies: @Jake, @27 year old, @AM, @L Woods, @george strong, @e, @Rod1963, @Wilkey, @S. Anonyia, @Ed, @Dave Pinsen

    This brought a shrug. “Maybe it should come down.”

    Did you get past this point? It’s possible to keep going.

    When the only virtue is equality and slave holding (which was a shockingly universal labor type before the industrial revolution) is now the “duh, how could they do that? It’s stupid and evil”, unfortunately, there’s nothing but a sea of evil hypocrites left in the Founding Fathers. How society is now interacting with itself is being extended into the past.

    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn’t stop importing Africans because they couldn’t stop killing them. Africans multiplied here, presumably because slaveholders took reasonable care of them.

    Pull out the story of Moses – point out how quite often slavery ends up being a consensual relationship. The people freed from slavery never got the promised land, because in the end they wanted to go back to slavery. You can find interviews of the last American black slaves and they’ll say very similar things – slavery was better than the labor arrangements afterwards.

    Bring complexity to the “slavery is bad” narrative. Add the very real complexity of human slavery throughout time. That might help still the SJW instincts in your teenager.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @AM

    Interesting post.

    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn’t stop importing Africans because they couldn’t stop killing them.

    Do you have some numbers?

    You can find interviews of the last American black slaves and they’ll say very similar things – slavery was better than the labor arrangements afterwards.

    Can you point us to some sources?

    Replies: @AM, @syonredux

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @AM

    I read a journalist's account of the gold rush of the 1890s in the Yukon. One of the prospectors he met was a freed slave who was hoping to find gold so he could pay off his old master's mortgage.

    How many people today can even entertain the possibility that master and slave could have a loving friendship?

    , @Neil Templeton
    @AM

    In my experience, many teenagers feel like slaves. If only aging slaves could feel like teenagers.

  19. Russia hasn’t worked work yet, we’ll see how this second offensive goes. I don’t think it’s a lucky accident that McCain published op-ed today setting forth that we’re losing in Afghanistan.

  20. @27 year old
    @KM32

    >my SJW teenager yesterday

    I sure hope you're not planning to give her a dime for college

    Replies: @KM32, @Achmed E. Newman, @Yak-15

    The kid has gone full communist, and yeah, I’d like to say fine, ask the government for money then. Oh, and it would probably be best if you moved out when you’re eighteen so I don’t have to listen to you endlessly going on about white men, cis-privilege, and other crap.

    But try telling a warm-hearted, loving mother than you’re going to cut off your kid for bad political views, and see how well it goes over.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @KM32

    White women tend to move right when they marry young. Send her to BYU or Regent or the right wing libertarian college in Michigan.

    , @Kylie
    @KM32

    Maybe you should stop talking to your kid and start talking to your wife.

    , @Desiderius
    @KM32

    Keep your cool while setting limits and keeping them.

    The contrast with those seducing her will gnaw at the back of her mind.

    Replies: @Kylie

    , @27 year old
    @KM32

    >But try telling a warm-hearted, loving mother than you’re going to cut off your kid for bad political views, and see how well it goes over.

    You don't have to kick the kid out, just withold funding.

    You don't know what your wife is going to say until you try it. Have a calm discussion and see where it leads.

    , @Ed
    @KM32

    Wouldn't worry too much kids tend to come back to the values that they were raised with when they leave th nest. Working in an environment with surly blacks or getting mugged by them tends to Right the ship. Then there's marriage. Majority of married white women are conservative.

  21. Why the ever-increasing hatred for America’s past?

    Why, indeed?

    America is increasingly dominated by people with shallow roots in this country. So it’s hardly surprising that they find it insulting to reflect upon what Americans not related to them once accomplished.

    Well, that may be one reason, but I don’t think it’s the best explanation. The U.S. assimilated large numbers of Irish, Italians, and Poles with “shallow roots” when Ellis Island was open, and those people embraced the likes of Washington and Jefferson as their own. I am “not related” to any of the Founders — my lineage is Eastern European. But I find myself constantly reflecting on how brilliant they were.

    No, I think the best explanation for the present America-hate is the one given by Nietzsche — it’s the politics of ressentiment, or resentment.

    Nietzsche drew a distinction between “master-morality” and “slave-morality.” “A living thing,” wrote Nietzsche, “seeks to exert its strength.” People of superior intellect, strength, creativity and willpower create nations and make history. They define morality in their own image, for they are the masters.

    The weak, the stupid, and the losers embrace slave morality — that is, they resent and object to anything that the masters create. It is based upon envy and the knowledge that they are inferior.

    Nietzsche argued that Jews and feminists were the primary transmitters of slave morality. The only way they could exert power was to gin up resentment, envy and hate to bring down the intelligent, the creative, and the powerful.

    And that’s EXACTLY what we see happening today. Who are the “antifa,” tearing down statues of great men, but a collection of self-loathing freaks? Fat, tattooed women with purple hair, “transgenders,” 80-IQ blacks, scrawny beta-cucks and gays, and neckbeards with dark-rimmed “smart” glasses on college campuses. They’re incited by the ideas of Jewish Frankfurt School academics and Jewish feminists like Susan Sontag and Shulamith Firestone, which are now 100% mainstream in intellectual circles. They hate America and hate its Founders because they every time they look in the mirror know damn well they are incapable of matching up to a Jefferson, a Washington, a Lee, an Edison, a Ford, a Carnegie, a Wright or a Yeager.

    The hatred is based on envy and the knowledge of one’s inferiority when standing in the shadows of giants.

    • Agree: L Woods, peterike
    • Replies: @Mark Caplan
    @Dr. X


    Nietzsche argued that Jews and feminists were the primary transmitters of slave morality.
     
    is that right? I know Nietzsche held up Christianity as the quintisential example of slave morality. Judaism doesn't have turn the other cheek, resist not evil in it's doctrine.

    Replies: @AM, @Lot, @Dr. X

    , @Dmitry134564
    @Dr. X

    Your understanding of Nietzsche is limited to say the best.

  22. It does seem like an awful lot of these SJW types are “core Americans”, though. I think the bigger factor is the progressive impulse to start over again at The Year Zero, wipe away the past and somehow social-engineer a better, more enlightened human being into existence.

    • Replies: @StillCARealist
    @JerryC

    So are we re-living a French Revolution? I wonder who the new Napolean will be.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Fredrik

  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Political correctness is just organized anti-white hatred.

    If “diversity” is such a gift, why are self-proclaimed “diversity advocates” not prioritizing this blessing to places that have much less of it, like Africa or Asia?

    “Diversity” never means anything other than Less White People.

    Open borders is the real White ‘Privilege’.

    That’s why we call it W- G-

  24. @Jack D
    If George Washington had a grandson, he would have looked like Robert. E. Lee.

    Actually, Lee was the son of another Revolutionary War General who delivered the eulogy at Washington's funeral and he was married to George Washington's step-granddaughter. He really was the closest thing that Washington had to a direct descendant and heir. This has been played down because Lee was on the losing side. I'm sure that if the Confederates had won, the connections between Lee and Washington would be featured more prominently in history books.

    Replies: @Flip

    Let’s hope Washington and Lee University doesn’t change its name.

    • Replies: @Dignan
    @Flip

    Oh, I'm sure it's coming. Students haven't arrived back on campus yet but I'm sure that the SJW students will immediately start up with the protests.

  25. On the subject of architecture’s (and art’s) influence on culture, the best thing I have seen is this documentary presented by Roger Scruton:

    He points out the the utilitarian style of architecture, which in many cases replaced traditional styles in city centres, has led to many cities becoming abandoned because the buildings are too ugly to use. Ironically, utilitarianism leads to buildings with no utility.

  26. “But it’s precisely American history’s virtues, more than anything else, that enrage so many people these days against the great men of the American past.”

    For lack of a better term, we can call it ‘envy’.

    Note how, on the basis of a single, largely fabricated movie, blacks have co-opted the space program. With every outrage, our enemies reveal just how small and infantile they really are.

  27. @Clyde
    I get your point, as in half of Obama's ancestry has zero roots in America. But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America. No immigrants or sons of immigrants in that mob, so I would think. There sure are a lot of prominent media talking heads who were not born here with Farheed Zakaria and Christiana Amanpour being the most irritating. Joy-Ann Reid born here of Congolese and some other foreigner is awful and a dunce. She thinks she is a genius. There are others.
    (No I am not going to spell check the above people, they are not worth it)

    And sad to say we have youth whose families have been here for a long time. That our colleges have brainwashed into aimless lefties and elevators of gaydom and trans nonsense. Legalization of marijuana is softening up young peoples brains to believe leftist propaganda and blame Thomas Jefferson. Any white kid who proclaims, "I am anti-racist" has gone all in.

    When you think about it, it is very odd that so many American youth are willing to take their cues from blacks and their culture. They are just 11% of the population.

    Replies: @AM, @San Fernando Curt, @Achmed E. Newman, @Beckow, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America.

    I live near Durham, NC. It is highly unlike that it’s either.

    Durham was mill town with profile like Detriot. Downtown Durham is now quite like Detriot. It’s mostly ghettoized blacks with no means (or perhaps motivation) to move on or out.

    Meanwhile, Duke University is within walking distance of the courthouse with statue. It costs $50K to go there and it’s faulty and students are typical of a wealthy, liberal arts university. Some locals, but many out of state people. Duke came this close to allowing Islamic call to prayer over speakers from it’s famous Methodist Gothic chapel. Only the furious almuni stopped it.

    In other words, downtown Durham’s demographics are that unholy alliance of lower class blacks and typical wealthy, white, Democratic voting blocks. Duke also has many foriegn students and one of the ongoing local issue is in fact their lack of interest in the local beyond Duke. Certainly pulling down a statue of the type of person who founded Duke would be a way to “atone”.

    Actual white southerners from the Durham area live in it’s suburbs or in the county of Durham and would commute into downtown at best at this point.

    So I think it’s safe to say that perhaps this was college project with the irony here of blacks doing the dirty work of actually pulling down the statue, assuming I got the facts right of it.

  28. @27 year old
    @KM32

    >my SJW teenager yesterday

    I sure hope you're not planning to give her a dime for college

    Replies: @KM32, @Achmed E. Newman, @Yak-15

    I sure hope you’re not planning to give her a dime for college.

    Yeah, she can borrow it all off the taxpayers (you may even be one) and then it can be forgiven – isn’t that what you want?

    Think about it 27-y/o. I’ve agreed with you on a lot of things, but not the socialism. Do you want to pay for this guy’s kid? (He didn’t say boy or girl, but your assumption might be pretty good.)

  29. @Clyde
    I get your point, as in half of Obama's ancestry has zero roots in America. But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America. No immigrants or sons of immigrants in that mob, so I would think. There sure are a lot of prominent media talking heads who were not born here with Farheed Zakaria and Christiana Amanpour being the most irritating. Joy-Ann Reid born here of Congolese and some other foreigner is awful and a dunce. She thinks she is a genius. There are others.
    (No I am not going to spell check the above people, they are not worth it)

    And sad to say we have youth whose families have been here for a long time. That our colleges have brainwashed into aimless lefties and elevators of gaydom and trans nonsense. Legalization of marijuana is softening up young peoples brains to believe leftist propaganda and blame Thomas Jefferson. Any white kid who proclaims, "I am anti-racist" has gone all in.

    When you think about it, it is very odd that so many American youth are willing to take their cues from blacks and their culture. They are just 11% of the population.

    Replies: @AM, @San Fernando Curt, @Achmed E. Newman, @Beckow, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    When you think about it, it is very odd that so many American youth are willing to take their cues from blacks and their culture. They are just 11% of the population.

    …And media, government, and academia – our holy-trinity social legitimator – neeeever promotes black interests at aaaaaall.

  30. @Clyde
    I get your point, as in half of Obama's ancestry has zero roots in America. But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America. No immigrants or sons of immigrants in that mob, so I would think. There sure are a lot of prominent media talking heads who were not born here with Farheed Zakaria and Christiana Amanpour being the most irritating. Joy-Ann Reid born here of Congolese and some other foreigner is awful and a dunce. She thinks she is a genius. There are others.
    (No I am not going to spell check the above people, they are not worth it)

    And sad to say we have youth whose families have been here for a long time. That our colleges have brainwashed into aimless lefties and elevators of gaydom and trans nonsense. Legalization of marijuana is softening up young peoples brains to believe leftist propaganda and blame Thomas Jefferson. Any white kid who proclaims, "I am anti-racist" has gone all in.

    When you think about it, it is very odd that so many American youth are willing to take their cues from blacks and their culture. They are just 11% of the population.

    Replies: @AM, @San Fernando Curt, @Achmed E. Newman, @Beckow, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    Clyde, I don’t think legality of “the pot” is really a big factor. People are going to use it, legal or not, and I am NOT an aficionado, BTW.

    However, as to the native born youth with long-term roots, the brainwashing from K-12 on to 18 years (gradual school, anyone?) is the problem. Unless the parents spend a lot of time, or even better, home-school, think about this: Do you have kids, Clyde? Once you do, it’s easy to see that their whole world is just everything that surrounds them when little, and it’s easy to pour ideas into their heads, with no counterbalance. Their minds are wide open, and they won’t see anything but what they’re taught unless you get them to think critically early on.

    I don’t mean some asinine class in “critical thinking”. You just have to let them know right away when someone is full of crap, whether purposefully or not. Believe 1/2 or what you hear and 1/4 of what you read my smart Dad would always say. Or, possibly vice versa. I’m down to about .25 and .027 at this point.

    • Replies: @AM
    @Achmed E. Newman


    However, as to the native born youth with long-term roots, the brainwashing from K-12 on to 18 years (gradual school, anyone?) is the problem.
     
    This is the problem.

    American history is present like the only place ever to have slavery was the US. That it predominated events up the Civil War and heaven knows nothing went on of importance until the Civil Rights movement.

    Yes, the books are filled with more than that, but the leftist teachers (majority leftist) aren't interested.

    Meanwhile they imagine that the Declaration of Independence was a governing document rather than overly flowery way to tell King George and his Court to pound it. When Jefferson penned "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness…." they've imagined that was the pure unadulterated spirit of the Revolution. (Also that he didn't really mean God in that passage)

    Its turns out that Brits at the time had treated the native born American cousins rather poorly during the French and Indian War. General George Washington was never more than Colonial under the British scheme of placing naive born Brits over Americans. After the French and Indian war, self governing natives were looking straight down the barrel of a)more government and b)from far off bozos who understood little of the daily realities of colonial life and held them in contempt.

    When Jefferson wrote that, it's quite likely he meant that white aristocrats born this side of the pond were certainly equal to those on the other side. Yes, he was impacted by the Enlightenment, but truthfully nobody seems to take it too seriously doing the colonial era. That would be later generations.

    The Constitution in contrast, the real working document of the US has this as it's sensible preamble: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Very conservative and rather non-egalitarian in contrast.

    But the kids know is the Declaration of Independence, slavery is bad and we were the center of it (Uncle Tom's cabin!) and we've been asking them to ignore the obvious cognitive dissonance on the point. I don't think it gets better unless we try to muddy the waters and make history the complex thing that it is.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  31. @Jake
    @KM32

    And after they take down Jefferson, they will go after Lincoln. He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa.

    The Revolution never ends.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @for-the-record, @Anonym, @AndrewR

    It would be fun to tear down MLK statues based on his misogyny, especially towards white women, and also as a reprisal against our statues being ISISed. In this era, people might actually learn the rationale, which would have potential to send the left into paroxysms of in-fighting.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2407403/Sex-tapes-FBI-smears-double-life-human-saint-The-Martin-Luther-King-story.html

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Anonym

    The pundits who know about King's infidelity excuse it away, just like they still insist on calling him "Doctor" even though he plagiarized his doctoral thesis. They supported his political aims, so they don't consider him a moral degenerate. It isn't that hard to find the truth, every biography of King plus "And the Walls Came Tumbling Down" by Ralph Abernathy have it covered. The response is to attack anyone who even mentions it.

    It is the same with Nelson Mandela. He was a Communist who condoned attacks on civilians, but you are supposed to consider him a paragon of virtue. Here was National Review's editorial on his death. They admit he opposed everything they claim to stand for, but still consider him the greatest statesman of the 20th Century.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365671/nelson-mandela-rip-editors

    Replies: @anon

  32. BTW it just seems insane that the left would even consider attacking Jefferson. William Jefferson Clinton is named after him – the left are truly eating their own.

    Jefferson is perhaps the coolest founding father. Admittedly, Ben Franklin was amazing too. If they want to build the hatred that is going to enact the Lincoln Plan, then they are going down the right path. Ultimately it will be a good thing. Keep knocking down more statues, lefties! Stoke that hate!

    • Replies: @Indiana Jack
    @Anonym


    BTW it just seems insane that the left would even consider attacking Jefferson. William Jefferson Clinton is named after him
     
    William Jefferson Clinton isn't the only one. Jefferson Davis, CSA was named after our 3rd President, who was in office at the time of his birth.

    The Jefferson Davis State Historic Site is currently maintained by the state of Kentucky at his birthplace in Fairview, Kentucky. It will probably be in the news in the next week, since it is just a few minutes outside the city of Hopkinsville, epicenter of the upcoming August 21 eclipse. The site is centered around a 351 ft tall monument which is visible for miles and will be clearly seen by many of the 200,000 tourists expected to converge on the area for the eclipse.
    , @Abe
    @Anonym


    BTW it just seems insane that the left would even consider attacking Jefferson. William Jefferson Clinton is named after him – the left are truly eating their own.
     
    Jefferson-Jackson Day is the Democratic Party's biggest annual event, but now the party's own grassroots is screaming the loudest to unperson both men.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonym


    William Jefferson Clinton is named after him – the left are truly eating their own.
     
    Yes, but it was that scum bag grifter pussy hound BJC who publicized the "affair" between TJ and Sally Hemmings. And he did it just to distract people from his own hound dogging.

    I hope he enjoys the same circle of Hell as Teddy Kennedy. A brilliant politician, but a vile human being.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Harry Baldwin

  33. “Destruction of cultural heritage is not a second-rate crime. It’s part of an atrocity to erase a people.” Mark Ellis – International Bar Association, at an ICC trial dealing with destruction of cultural heritage in the Hague in 2016.
    In the context of this article this guy sounds like a raging white supremacist, but of course he was talking about muslim cultural monuments, so that’s different.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @He's Spartacus

    The left constantly remind us that race/biology are not real, affect nothing. Only culture is important. Then they casually destroy every last vestige of that culture.

    , @Abe
    @He's Spartacus


    “Destruction of cultural heritage is not a second-rate crime. It’s part of an atrocity to erase a people.”
     
    Call it for what it is- ethnic cleansing. Both Popular Front-era Old Left, and even Red Diaper Baby New Left, to an extent, liked to wrap themselves in the warm quilt of Americana, arguing that their revolutionary socialist Trotskyite dialectical agitation was nothing but the continuation of American Revolutionary egalitarianism as embodied in such Founding Fathers as Thomas Paine. It was all a smokescreen, of course, but I honestly do think there was a grain of genuine affection and gratitude towards America's traditions and founding heroes. Everybody wants a home.

    Replies: @Abe

  34. If you’re GOP look at the bright side.

    With a few exceptions Democrats are tearing down the statues of Democrats. It’s as if it was the Russian Communists who were tearing down those old Communists statues in 1991.

    If in the future a Democrat wants to stand in front of a statue of a Democrat its going to be hard. Republicans will have a much easier time.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @anony-mouse

    The fact that the Democrats were the party of white Southerners and Jim Crow and that the Republicans were the party of the abolitionists has been completely retconned out of American history. To Millennials, history began in 1964 if not more recently and the Democrats have always been the Black Party for as long as they can remember (which is not very long).

    , @Jake
    @anony-mouse

    That makes sense only if 'you' are a GOP cuckservative or Israel-first Neocon or old money Yankee WASP who hates everything about the white South.

    And then you would be a cultural Liberal.

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @anony-mouse


    If you’re GOP look at the bright side.
     
    If you've been paying attention to the GOP for any period of time, you understand that there is never a bright side for it.

    This DemsRRealRacists schtick isn't just stupid (it is), it never works. You're never going to get the credit you're craving. You're only ever going to be called upon to hamstring yourself politically by alienating your voters and then to surrender to prove that your really meant it.

    These aren't Democrats anyway - they're Bolsheviks.
    , @27 year old
    @anony-mouse

    >Democrats are tearing down the statues of Democrats

    >If in the future a Democrat wants to stand in front of a statue of a Democrat its going to be hard. Republicans will have a much easier time.

    True but wrong.

    It's the current year. The old who-whom lines are becoming meaningless. The new ones have emerged.

    Anti-Whites are tearing down statues of White men.

    In the future, a White man will have a very hard time standing in front of a statue of a White man.

    An anti-White will have no problem finding a statue of a fellow anti-White to stand in front of.

    Unless we win.

    , @syonredux
    @anony-mouse


    If in the future a Democrat wants to stand in front of a statue of a Democrat its going to be hard. Republicans will have a much easier time.
     
    Dunno. Do a poll of Black radicals some time, ask them what they think of Lincoln.....

    Not the Great Emancipator: 10 Racist Quotes Abraham Lincoln Said About Black People
     
    http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/05/05/not-great-emancipator-10-racists-quotes-abraham-lincoln-said-black-people/
  35. @Clyde
    I get your point, as in half of Obama's ancestry has zero roots in America. But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America. No immigrants or sons of immigrants in that mob, so I would think. There sure are a lot of prominent media talking heads who were not born here with Farheed Zakaria and Christiana Amanpour being the most irritating. Joy-Ann Reid born here of Congolese and some other foreigner is awful and a dunce. She thinks she is a genius. There are others.
    (No I am not going to spell check the above people, they are not worth it)

    And sad to say we have youth whose families have been here for a long time. That our colleges have brainwashed into aimless lefties and elevators of gaydom and trans nonsense. Legalization of marijuana is softening up young peoples brains to believe leftist propaganda and blame Thomas Jefferson. Any white kid who proclaims, "I am anti-racist" has gone all in.

    When you think about it, it is very odd that so many American youth are willing to take their cues from blacks and their culture. They are just 11% of the population.

    Replies: @AM, @San Fernando Curt, @Achmed E. Newman, @Beckow, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    They are angry and they lack humility. They have been told for years that the moment they step on the US soil they are exactly the same as anyone there – perfect, immediate equality (Voltaire in retrospect was an idiot).

    The home-grown ones have never been homogeneous. Many of the iconoclasts are within that tradition and it only takes a few hundred to take down a statue. In the last few years the liberal media-academia mental complex has reached full dominance – a by-product of Obama and demographics. They will not stop, hide your statues.

  36. @anony-mouse
    If you're GOP look at the bright side.

    With a few exceptions Democrats are tearing down the statues of Democrats. It's as if it was the Russian Communists who were tearing down those old Communists statues in 1991.

    If in the future a Democrat wants to stand in front of a statue of a Democrat its going to be hard. Republicans will have a much easier time.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jake, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @27 year old, @syonredux

    The fact that the Democrats were the party of white Southerners and Jim Crow and that the Republicans were the party of the abolitionists has been completely retconned out of American history. To Millennials, history began in 1964 if not more recently and the Democrats have always been the Black Party for as long as they can remember (which is not very long).

  37. @anony-mouse
    If you're GOP look at the bright side.

    With a few exceptions Democrats are tearing down the statues of Democrats. It's as if it was the Russian Communists who were tearing down those old Communists statues in 1991.

    If in the future a Democrat wants to stand in front of a statue of a Democrat its going to be hard. Republicans will have a much easier time.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jake, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @27 year old, @syonredux

    That makes sense only if ‘you’ are a GOP cuckservative or Israel-first Neocon or old money Yankee WASP who hates everything about the white South.

    And then you would be a cultural Liberal.

  38. Steve, you again offer a profound insight into the current crisis: that it is not indignation at the frailty of the Founders, but rather resentment at the spectacle of their greatness, that underlies the discontent and eagerness to destroy we’re witnessing. I think this observation deserves some pithy coinage to make it vivid–like defining “gaff” as “accidentally telling the truth.”

    I note that the first attempt to demoralize and disgrace General Lee came during the Civil War, when his family estate (actually his wife’s family’s) was confiscated as a cemetery for Union soldiers. It was explicitly undertaken as a means to denigrate Lee in popular consciousness; instead, over the ensuing generation, the popular will embraced and conferred honor on the place. Within 50 years it would become the closest thing to hallowed ground we have in America: Arlington National Cemetery.

    Whether this unpredicted result is a ray of hope in our own dark times, or a warning about the fragility of historic memory, is hard to say at present.

  39. Slavery was the common condition throughout human history – not an American invention.

    When the USA had slavery in several southern states, hundreds of years ago, slavery existed in most nation, kingdoms and regions of the world.

    The Founders weren’t perfect; neither was MLK and Rosa Parks. When do we pull down their statues and rename the millions of streets named after them?

    US history isn’t perfect when compared to Heaven. However, when compared to every other nation on Earth, it’s comes out quite good.

  40. @anony-mouse
    If you're GOP look at the bright side.

    With a few exceptions Democrats are tearing down the statues of Democrats. It's as if it was the Russian Communists who were tearing down those old Communists statues in 1991.

    If in the future a Democrat wants to stand in front of a statue of a Democrat its going to be hard. Republicans will have a much easier time.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jake, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @27 year old, @syonredux

    If you’re GOP look at the bright side.

    If you’ve been paying attention to the GOP for any period of time, you understand that there is never a bright side for it.

    This DemsRRealRacists schtick isn’t just stupid (it is), it never works. You’re never going to get the credit you’re craving. You’re only ever going to be called upon to hamstring yourself politically by alienating your voters and then to surrender to prove that your really meant it.

    These aren’t Democrats anyway – they’re Bolsheviks.

  41. @anony-mouse
    If you're GOP look at the bright side.

    With a few exceptions Democrats are tearing down the statues of Democrats. It's as if it was the Russian Communists who were tearing down those old Communists statues in 1991.

    If in the future a Democrat wants to stand in front of a statue of a Democrat its going to be hard. Republicans will have a much easier time.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jake, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @27 year old, @syonredux

    >Democrats are tearing down the statues of Democrats

    >If in the future a Democrat wants to stand in front of a statue of a Democrat its going to be hard. Republicans will have a much easier time.

    True but wrong.

    It’s the current year. The old who-whom lines are becoming meaningless. The new ones have emerged.

    Anti-Whites are tearing down statues of White men.

    In the future, a White man will have a very hard time standing in front of a statue of a White man.

    An anti-White will have no problem finding a statue of a fellow anti-White to stand in front of.

    Unless we win.

    • Agree: Barnard
  42. @Clyde
    I get your point, as in half of Obama's ancestry has zero roots in America. But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America. No immigrants or sons of immigrants in that mob, so I would think. There sure are a lot of prominent media talking heads who were not born here with Farheed Zakaria and Christiana Amanpour being the most irritating. Joy-Ann Reid born here of Congolese and some other foreigner is awful and a dunce. She thinks she is a genius. There are others.
    (No I am not going to spell check the above people, they are not worth it)

    And sad to say we have youth whose families have been here for a long time. That our colleges have brainwashed into aimless lefties and elevators of gaydom and trans nonsense. Legalization of marijuana is softening up young peoples brains to believe leftist propaganda and blame Thomas Jefferson. Any white kid who proclaims, "I am anti-racist" has gone all in.

    When you think about it, it is very odd that so many American youth are willing to take their cues from blacks and their culture. They are just 11% of the population.

    Replies: @AM, @San Fernando Curt, @Achmed E. Newman, @Beckow, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    I get your point, as in half of Obama’s ancestry has zero roots in America. But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America. No immigrants or sons of immigrants in that mob,
    * * *
    And sad to say we have youth whose families have been here for a long time. That our colleges have brainwashed into aimless lefties and elevators of gaydom and trans nonsense.

    They were students if the reports are correct, and those college towns in the South have attracted previously Northerners to live permanently who are more likely to have been descendants of pre-1920s immigrants.

    The displacement of the founding stock is not just physical and material but moral and cultural – a source of shame rather than pride. You have to prove that you’re not tainted by racism.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The displacement of the founding stock is not just physical and material but moral and cultural – a source of shame rather than pride.

    I'm not sure what you mean by this. Could you explain?

  43. this kind of thing usually happens after the violent revolution…….we’ve been cheated out of civil war.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @tyrone


    we’ve been cheated out of civil war
     
    Stick around.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5qmEYcUoAQ
  44. @anony-mouse
    If you're GOP look at the bright side.

    With a few exceptions Democrats are tearing down the statues of Democrats. It's as if it was the Russian Communists who were tearing down those old Communists statues in 1991.

    If in the future a Democrat wants to stand in front of a statue of a Democrat its going to be hard. Republicans will have a much easier time.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Jake, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @27 year old, @syonredux

    If in the future a Democrat wants to stand in front of a statue of a Democrat its going to be hard. Republicans will have a much easier time.

    Dunno. Do a poll of Black radicals some time, ask them what they think of Lincoln…..

    Not the Great Emancipator: 10 Racist Quotes Abraham Lincoln Said About Black People

    http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/05/05/not-great-emancipator-10-racists-quotes-abraham-lincoln-said-black-people/

  45. @27 year old
    @KM32

    >my SJW teenager yesterday

    I sure hope you're not planning to give her a dime for college

    Replies: @KM32, @Achmed E. Newman, @Yak-15

    Donate her money to a scholarship for black students or something along those lines. Check her privilege and tell her that you are just righting historic wrongs.

  46. In a way, it’s lucky that Washington didn’t have any direct descendants or there probably would have been a General Washington in the Confederate Army and this would have retroactively tarred his ancestor.

    Jefferson, OTOH, did (possibly) have a descendant who was a colonel in the Union Army.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayles_Jefferson

    John Wayles Jefferson was Sally Hemings’s grandson. He “passed” as a white man and changed his name from Hemings to Jefferson to reflect the family’s belief (whether true or not) that Thomas was his grandpa. In a way it is strange that he did this because he didn’t want anyone to know that he was of mixed ancestry (on both sides, and with some Jew thrown in the mix as well) but you would think that calling yourself “Jefferson” (not a super common name) might lead people to ask questions as to whether (and more importantly HOW) he was related to the famous man. John had red hair and gray eyes and was said to resemble Thomas.

    Family legends aren’t always true – when they tested the Carrs, who were another Monticello slave family with a family legend that they were Jefferson descendants, they had no Jefferson DNA. A lot of AA families have legends about being part Indian and these are rarely true based on DNA testing. However DNA tests of his brother’s descendants did confirm that John’s grandfather was A Jefferson if not necessarily Thomas.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  47. @KM32
    I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. "So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?"

    This brought a shrug. "Maybe it should come down."

    Replies: @Jake, @27 year old, @AM, @L Woods, @george strong, @e, @Rod1963, @Wilkey, @S. Anonyia, @Ed, @Dave Pinsen

    This is obviously just an anecdote, but this reminds how much I really don’t buy the idea that Generation Z is dramatically to the right of its antecedents.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @L Woods

    You could be right there. Trump's personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.

    Replies: @Abe, @Jack Hanson

  48. The 1965 Immigration and Naturalization Act and the Voting Rights Act, both of which suspiciously became law in 1965, is looking more and more like a really smart strategy.

    People who came to the United States in 1965 and thereafter not only had no part in the building and creation of America, were also by culture and by education anti-Northern European. They were brought up to hate the colonial powers.

    The Democratic Party is happy to let them continue in the same old ruts that they formed in the countries that they grew up in.

    When these immigrants walk around in America, it’s like walking around in the mall, walking through a curated, landscaped space that was created by someone else and is owned by someone else, but which is expected to serve consumers. When they complain about a display in the store that makes them feel uneasy, they expect them to take it down. Apparently, a lot of Americans feel this way. They think that monuments dedicated to individuals who have contributed to American history are mere decoration.

    The idea that America belongs to Americans, and and was created by Americans, and that there is wide room for vastly different ideas, is literally foreign to them.

  49. @KM32
    I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. "So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?"

    This brought a shrug. "Maybe it should come down."

    Replies: @Jake, @27 year old, @AM, @L Woods, @george strong, @e, @Rod1963, @Wilkey, @S. Anonyia, @Ed, @Dave Pinsen

    Be a responsible parent and drown your SJW child in the toilet.

  50. Congress should just put this law up for a vote and see where liberals and conservatives really stand on this issue:

    “If someone is proven to have said something xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, anti-Semitic, sexist, or anything else falling under the category of bigotry or discrimination, that person shall become henceforth outside the law. He, she, or xir can be assaulted, raped, tortured or murdered by anyone who so pleases without reprisal. Their property is forfeit to anyone who wishes to take it, vandalize it, burn it to the ground, whatever. They may no longer be employed, and no business, charity, or individual can provide them any goods or services. All honors or titles that person received before being caught out as a bigot are hereafter null and void, and shall be erased from the public record. The bigot will not be allowed a funeral or be interred in any cemetery, but shall simply be cast to the dogs and pigs upon death. If anyone is caught speaking to them or interacting with them in any positive fashion, they too shall be subject to the consequences of this law.”

    • Replies: @Dee
    @Nobody Special

    "If someone is proven to have said something xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, anti-Semitic, sexist, or anything else falling under the category of bigotry or discrimination, that person shall become henceforth outside the law. He, she, or xir can be assaulted, raped, tortured or murdered by anyone who so pleases without reprisal. Their property is forfeit to anyone who wishes to take it, vandalize it, burn it to the ground, whatever. They may no longer be employed, and no business, charity, or individual can provide them any goods or services. All honors or titles that person received before being caught out as a bigot are hereafter null and void, and shall be erased from the public record. The bigot will not be allowed a funeral or be interred in any cemetery, but shall simply be cast to the dogs and pigs upon death. If anyone is caught speaking to them or interacting with them in any positive fashion, they too shall be subject to the consequences of this law.”

    50 or so years ago, the (((left))) was able to convince a majority of the US Supreme Court that saying what you list, as "protected speech". That other peeps might disagree with what you say, but you have a right to say it. That was the "Free Speech" movement.

    So burning American flags was protected speech. And whatever else (((they))) could think of to piss off the Establishment.

    Now, the (((left))) is the Establishment that is trying to pull the rug out from under anyone they disagree with; like your post suggests....

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Nobody Special

    Lindsay Graham would vote "yeth."

  51. I have been to Monticello. I have Southern ancestry. The bastards now attacking my ancestors are going to be removed from the United States. There is no other way. God bless all who will defend their ancestors when Civil War II fully breaks out.

    Some Jews are great. Stephen Miller and Mickey Kaus and Ron Unz come to mind. Some Jews are ungrateful to the Angles, Saxons, Normans, Celts and others who created and maintained the British Empire, the American Empire and the Anglosphere. The corporate media is to a large extent controlled by Jews. The corporate media is the power in the United States that constantly attacks the Founding Fathers and other founding stock Americans. The Jews who control the corporate media bit off more than they can chew when they picked a fight with the Anglo-Celts in the South.

    Who controls the corporate media in the United States is a question of national security and civilizational survival. Americans of European Christian ancestry can no longer allow non-Europeans or non-Christians to own and control the corporate media in the United States. We did not ask for this civil war, but it is upon us.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Charles Pewitt

    Some antisemites like Henry Ford seem cool, but mostly they are underemployed mental cases.

    Replies: @AM

  52. @Eustace Tilley (not)
    "What's best in life?" is to stand
    With grandsons on grandfather's land,
    Kith and kin against death,
    And affirm with each breath
    The strength in a DNA strand.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    Horatio at the Helix.

  53. If the neo-nazis wanted to confuse the hell out of everyone, they should go protest in *favor* of pulling down some Andrew Jackson statue somewhere.

    (One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.)

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
    @Doug

    Hitler was a great fan of the novels of Karl May - if you aren't familiar with him, he's the German version of Fenimore Cooper, complete with a noble Indian hero, Winnetou.

    , @Abe
    @Doug


    (One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.)
     
    Yes, I remember this form William Shirer's DECLINE AND FALL OF THE THRID REICH. After FDR made his first forceful denouncement of Germany sometime around 1934/1935, Hitler then slammed America for its mistreatment of the Indians in one of his next speeches to the Reichstag.

    Replies: @Under the Cone of Silence

    , @Abe
    @Doug


    (One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.)
     
    And that's the big (Spirit) Elephant in the room, isn' it? Cucks are desperately trying to triangulate their way out of this by throwing The South under the bus. Party of Lincoln, yea! Robert Byrd and Strom Thurmond were Democrats, yea! Lincoln's only fault was that he appointed pansies like Grant and Sherman who didn't finish the job by ethnically cleansing all those old-timey deplorables when they had the chance, yea!

    But the thing is, we have not even BEGUN to address the issue of reparations towards the Indians, and no cuck faux Northerner is going to be able to sidestep the fact that something he holds dear was built on land taken from the Natives Americans. Are the Mormons willing to move their Grand Temple off of land originally belonging to some tribe and onto some floating garbage island in the middle of the Pacific?
    , @Opinionator
    @Doug

    Do you have a cite to discussion of such plans?

    Replies: @Doug

    , @whorefinder
    @Doug

    Well, it was likely related to demonizing England and America.

    In the 19th Century much of Germany was enthralled by American "frontier" novels (Cooper's works were a big hit), and in the 20th Century up to that point Germans really loved Westerns. Germans always enjoyed the rustic-pioneer America and celebrated it. Plus Germanic unification movements were inspired a lot from the American revolution.

    So Hitler was trying to turn them against that, perceiving America and its English forbearers to be his next enemy. ake their take over of North America appear grossly unfair and exploitative instead of rousing and praise-worthy, and get people to turn against them.

  54. (Granted, from his portrait on the ten-dollar bill, Hamilton might appear to have been the most Scottish person who ever lived, but whoever heard of a Scot who was good with money?)

    The Three Stooges – The Hot Scots

  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The fight against the communists in our streets has begun.

    Intellectualizing on places like unz.com is helpful but there is a disconnect from the facts on the ground.

    The important trend in America is that whites are rapidly becoming BASED. Roaming packs of ignorant violent communists are waking up more zombie citizens than iSteve could wake up in a million years.

  56. There will be a monument to Capability Brown. Not a statue though. People will assume he was a black woman so it’ll be all good…

  57. @Clyde
    I get your point, as in half of Obama's ancestry has zero roots in America. But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America. No immigrants or sons of immigrants in that mob, so I would think. There sure are a lot of prominent media talking heads who were not born here with Farheed Zakaria and Christiana Amanpour being the most irritating. Joy-Ann Reid born here of Congolese and some other foreigner is awful and a dunce. She thinks she is a genius. There are others.
    (No I am not going to spell check the above people, they are not worth it)

    And sad to say we have youth whose families have been here for a long time. That our colleges have brainwashed into aimless lefties and elevators of gaydom and trans nonsense. Legalization of marijuana is softening up young peoples brains to believe leftist propaganda and blame Thomas Jefferson. Any white kid who proclaims, "I am anti-racist" has gone all in.

    When you think about it, it is very odd that so many American youth are willing to take their cues from blacks and their culture. They are just 11% of the population.

    Replies: @AM, @San Fernando Curt, @Achmed E. Newman, @Beckow, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    I think the main psychotic female in the mob was Chinese or Philippino- check out the video- she had pigtails- anyway it’s a coalition of fringes, obese pathetic beta whites, blacks, other wretched refuse etc

    Steve has retweetd my new favorite twitter follow https://twitter.com/weihanwang4/status/897165799101804544

    Love this guy!

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Danindc

    Here are the people arrested for pulling down the Confederate statue.

    Takiya Fatima Thompson, 22
    , was charged Tuesday with two felonies -- participation in a riot with property damage in excess of $1,500 and inciting others to riot -- and two misdemeanors -- disorderly conduct by injury to a statue and damage to property, the sheriff's office said. She was held on $10,000 bond.
    On Wednesday, Dante Emmanuel Strobino, 35, Ngoc Loan Tran, 24, and Peter Gull Gilbert, 39, were arrested on the same charges, the sheriff's office said. Additional arrests are expected, the office said.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/confederate-statue-pulled-down-north-carolina-trnd/index.html

    Takiya Fatima Thompson -- photo of her at the above source. She climbed the ladder and attached the rope to pull it down.


    Communist Party Member Arrested for Confederate Statue Vandalism in Durham
    Deputies arrested a 22-year-old member of the far-left communist Workers World Party on Tuesday, Aug. 15, and charged her with vandalism for toppling a Confederate statue in Durham on Monday, Fox News reported.
    Takiya Fatima Thompson was seen bringing a ladder up to the Confederate Soldiers Monument in front of old courthouse as a crowd of rioters cheered. She then tied a rope around the nearly century-old statue to help topple it.
    Several rioters then proceeded to kick and stomp the downed bronze statue, which depicts a soldier with a rifle. The work was commissioned in 1929.
     
  58. @L Woods
    @KM32

    This is obviously just an anecdote, but this reminds how much I really don't buy the idea that Generation Z is dramatically to the right of its antecedents.

    Replies: @Lot

    You could be right there. Trump’s personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Lot


    You could be right there. Trump’s personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.
     
    Yes, as opposed to all those other, respectable paleoconservative intellectuals and activists who are household names and forthright and on TV all the time because the media is so gosh-darn committed to a vigorous exchange of ideas.

    Replies: @Lot, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Lot

    White youth leans 75-80% Trump but yet here you are to blackpill.

    Replies: @Lot

  59. @He's Spartacus
    "Destruction of cultural heritage is not a second-rate crime. It's part of an atrocity to erase a people." Mark Ellis - International Bar Association, at an ICC trial dealing with destruction of cultural heritage in the Hague in 2016.
    In the context of this article this guy sounds like a raging white supremacist, but of course he was talking about muslim cultural monuments, so that's different.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Abe

    The left constantly remind us that race/biology are not real, affect nothing. Only culture is important. Then they casually destroy every last vestige of that culture.

  60. Actually, Baltimore is just a city — it can’t do anything — it’s just there — per the foto, a bunch of mercenary white cucks did the removing.

  61. @Nobody Special
    Congress should just put this law up for a vote and see where liberals and conservatives really stand on this issue:

    "If someone is proven to have said something xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, anti-Semitic, sexist, or anything else falling under the category of bigotry or discrimination, that person shall become henceforth outside the law. He, she, or xir can be assaulted, raped, tortured or murdered by anyone who so pleases without reprisal. Their property is forfeit to anyone who wishes to take it, vandalize it, burn it to the ground, whatever. They may no longer be employed, and no business, charity, or individual can provide them any goods or services. All honors or titles that person received before being caught out as a bigot are hereafter null and void, and shall be erased from the public record. The bigot will not be allowed a funeral or be interred in any cemetery, but shall simply be cast to the dogs and pigs upon death. If anyone is caught speaking to them or interacting with them in any positive fashion, they too shall be subject to the consequences of this law."

    Replies: @Dee, @Harry Baldwin

    “If someone is proven to have said something xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, anti-Semitic, sexist, or anything else falling under the category of bigotry or discrimination, that person shall become henceforth outside the law. He, she, or xir can be assaulted, raped, tortured or murdered by anyone who so pleases without reprisal. Their property is forfeit to anyone who wishes to take it, vandalize it, burn it to the ground, whatever. They may no longer be employed, and no business, charity, or individual can provide them any goods or services. All honors or titles that person received before being caught out as a bigot are hereafter null and void, and shall be erased from the public record. The bigot will not be allowed a funeral or be interred in any cemetery, but shall simply be cast to the dogs and pigs upon death. If anyone is caught speaking to them or interacting with them in any positive fashion, they too shall be subject to the consequences of this law.”

    50 or so years ago, the (((left))) was able to convince a majority of the US Supreme Court that saying what you list, as “protected speech”. That other peeps might disagree with what you say, but you have a right to say it. That was the “Free Speech” movement.

    So burning American flags was protected speech. And whatever else (((they))) could think of to piss off the Establishment.

    Now, the (((left))) is the Establishment that is trying to pull the rug out from under anyone they disagree with; like your post suggests….

  62. Was this dynamic in play during the earlier waves of immigration, such as in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries?

    I’m not buying this. My experience is that the people I have met most “into” IDpol leftism have been WASPs, with their usual opponents being descendants of immigrants from the late nineteenth and early twentieth century wave like myself. The prototypical SJW can trace ancestry in the United States from colonial times, as of course can most African-Americans.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @eD

    Your ancestors immigrated early 20th?

  63. Excellent column as always, but how many people actually believe this:

    Hamilton was, as everybody knows (at least since Lin-Manuel Miranda’s Broadway musical), an immigrant Jewish Person of Color.

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    Steve loves to link to the same article about this whenever discussing Hamilton, but I’ve never really read any takes on Hamilton, the musical or the historical figure, that emphasize this factually tenuous claim. I certainly think one could make the case that there’s a certain implicit/parallel Jewishness many (((political and cultural arbiters))) see in Hamilton, but I don’t think many people actually believe that Hamilton was literally Jewish.

  64. @Doug
    If the neo-nazis wanted to confuse the hell out of everyone, they should go protest in *favor* of pulling down some Andrew Jackson statue somewhere.

    (One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.)

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir, @Abe, @Abe, @Opinionator, @whorefinder

    Hitler was a great fan of the novels of Karl May – if you aren’t familiar with him, he’s the German version of Fenimore Cooper, complete with a noble Indian hero, Winnetou.

  65. One way to handle this is for whites to erect statues and monuments explicitly dedicated to the white people who liberated the slaves. If they have to, do it on private land where they cannot be molested. The biggest role blacks had in the Civil war was building trenches for the South and picking cotton that was sold to buy weapons that killed Northerners. That is not glorious. Much will be made of the small number of blacks in uniform but that is dwarfed by what whites did.

    I heard on the radio yesterday that a city somewhere in Kentucky or Tennessee applied to take down a Confederate statue and replace it with 4, two Confederate soldiers and two Union soldiers. They did not volunteer what the races of the statues would be but my guess is that one of the Union soldiers would look like Obama (either that or one Hispanic and one Black). Just let it be know that statues of MLK or fake history will not be accepted under any circumstances and that if ever built, it will become the new focal point for white nationalists to ridicule and deface. If this is the future they want, give it to them.

    In 2027 there will be 17,000 pages of FBI documents released on MLK. My guess is that there will be a firestorm the likes we have never see to try and keep those from ever reaching the light of day. Is there a reason to protect him? No.

  66. Abe says: • Website
    @Lot
    @L Woods

    You could be right there. Trump's personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.

    Replies: @Abe, @Jack Hanson

    You could be right there. Trump’s personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.

    Yes, as opposed to all those other, respectable paleoconservative intellectuals and activists who are household names and forthright and on TV all the time because the media is so gosh-darn committed to a vigorous exchange of ideas.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Abe

    Paleos organized around talk radio, right wing websites, and the Tea Party killed Bush's and Obama's amnesty bills. It was a close call both times, but it was done despite the MSM fake news (who incessantly and falsely claimed the bills involved fines, back taxes, learning English, and tough border controls.)

    Replies: @Abe

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Abe


    @Lot

    You could be right there. Trump’s personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.
     
    Yes, as opposed to all those other, respectable paleoconservative intellectuals and activists who are household names and forthright and on TV all the time because the media is so gosh-darn committed to a vigorous exchange of ideas.

     

    Yes, but he's Our Bastard.

    Anyone smooth, bright, well-read and articulate would have been cut down long before this. Such a man being elected President in 2016 would be an impossibility.

    Replies: @AM, @Lot

  67. @Charles Pewitt
    I have been to Monticello. I have Southern ancestry. The bastards now attacking my ancestors are going to be removed from the United States. There is no other way. God bless all who will defend their ancestors when Civil War II fully breaks out.

    Some Jews are great. Stephen Miller and Mickey Kaus and Ron Unz come to mind. Some Jews are ungrateful to the Angles, Saxons, Normans, Celts and others who created and maintained the British Empire, the American Empire and the Anglosphere. The corporate media is to a large extent controlled by Jews. The corporate media is the power in the United States that constantly attacks the Founding Fathers and other founding stock Americans. The Jews who control the corporate media bit off more than they can chew when they picked a fight with the Anglo-Celts in the South.

    Who controls the corporate media in the United States is a question of national security and civilizational survival. Americans of European Christian ancestry can no longer allow non-Europeans or non-Christians to own and control the corporate media in the United States. We did not ask for this civil war, but it is upon us.

    Replies: @Lot

    Some antisemites like Henry Ford seem cool, but mostly they are underemployed mental cases.

    • Replies: @AM
    @Lot


    Some antisemites like Henry Ford seem cool, but mostly they are underemployed mental cases.
     
    He wrote a balanced, fair post regarding Jews with praise for many in their ranks. Secularized Jews do control the media, and are determined to tear down Western Civilization, and that's just how it is. There are bad Jews out there. Get over it. I get the flippin priest scandal thrown at me all the time and expressing anti-Catholic sentiments is about as American as baseball and apple pie. I don't feel the need to make snide pot shots at Baptists or Paula Deen.

    At some point, you need to decide whether your are for Western Civilization or against it. I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I'm happy to join with anyone who genuinely wants to help save our history and culture regardless of their religious background or ethnicity.

    But if you can only think "Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, what about the Jews? " then what help are you? There is something much larger here than feeling insulted when someone points out the truth about Jewish culture.

    Replies: @Lot

  68. Abe says: • Website
    @Doug
    If the neo-nazis wanted to confuse the hell out of everyone, they should go protest in *favor* of pulling down some Andrew Jackson statue somewhere.

    (One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.)

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir, @Abe, @Abe, @Opinionator, @whorefinder

    (One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.)

    Yes, I remember this form William Shirer’s DECLINE AND FALL OF THE THRID REICH. After FDR made his first forceful denouncement of Germany sometime around 1934/1935, Hitler then slammed America for its mistreatment of the Indians in one of his next speeches to the Reichstag.

    • Replies: @Under the Cone of Silence
    @Abe


    One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.
     
    Germans have a long history of causing trouble for founding-stock Americans. Many of the 48ers who fled the Prussians ended up causing trouble in places like Milwaukee, St. Louis and Cincinnati as labor agitators, Communists, abolitionists, vegetarians, anti-nativists, etc. Many of them volunteered to fight in the Union army against those they saw as opposing these causes. One was Gen. Sherman's military band leader. I'm sure he conducted a rousing rendition of Battle Hymn of the Republic at the burning of Atlanta.

    Most of these 48ers would be happy with bringing down these Confederate statues so it doesn't surprise me that their descendants would be too.
  69. Here’s a somewhat interesting article in the Washington Post by a part-Black relative of Robert E Lee’s :

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/15/im-black-robert-e-lee-is-my-ancestor-his-statues-cant-come-down-soon-enough/?tid=pm_opinions_pop&utm_term=.ea25c10288f3

    Amidst the SJW talking points, a ray of light:

    As Robert Cvjetanovic, a University of Nevada student who participated in last week’s Charlottesville protests, told his local news: “I do believe that the replacement of the statue will be the slow replacement of white heritage within the U.S. and the people who fought and defended and built their homeland. Robert E. Lee is a great example of that. He wasn’t a perfect man, but I want to honor and respect what he stood for during his time.”

    • Replies: @epebble
    @syonredux

    This is how Kevin Williamson at National Review describes protesters like Cvjetanovic:

    ... A Charlottesville protester named Nicholas J. Fuentes, raging against the “rootless transnational elite,” vows: “You will not replace us.” I have reviewed the passenger manifest of the Mayflower, and there is not a single “Fuentes” to be found. Indeed, the rowdier white-power element in Texas, where I live, would very much like to see every man bearing the name “Fuentes” set down on the southerly side of a muddy little river that runs through Laredo. Peter Cvjetanovic, the 20-year-old rage-monkey bellowing in one of the now-famous photos of the tiki-Nazi procession in Virginia, complains: “I’m not the angry racist they see in that photo.” One hopes not: “Cvjetanović” is a Croat name. Not a whole lot of Slavs on the Mayflower, either,



    and the originators of that swastika flag the angry white boys in Virginia like to fly would have put every Cvjetanović they could lay hands on in a camp, eventually. Benito Mussolini reported that he himself had been impressed by a protest against “Jugo-Slav” immigrants in Italy. Fuentes? Cvjetanović? As Rachel Dolezal knows, white people just ain’t what they used to be. What does an angry white boy really want? “A girlfriend,” comes the mocking answer, and there’s probably more to that than mockery. The proprietor of one of the nation’s premier websites for neo-Nazi knuckleheads advised his colleagues in Charlottesville that, after the protest — which included a murder — “random girls will want to have sex with you.” I ran this proposition past a few random girls, and I suspect that the apfelstrudelführers are going to go home disappointed. There are many shades of white, and Mom’s-basement white is the least popular crayon in the box. Of course we should mock them, criticize them, lament them, and, in the case of James Alex Fields Jr., the trust-funder from Ohio charged in the death of Heather Heyer, prosecute them. What does James Alex Fields Jr. want? A transcript of a 911 call from his mother describes him beating her after she told him to stop playing a particular video game. She is disabled and uses a wheelchair. That wasn’t the only 911 call she made in fear of her son. The angry white boys do not have a serious political agenda. They don’t have any straightforward demands like the Teamsters or PETA do, and they do not have a well-developed ideological position like the Communists do, though it would be inaccurate to say that they lack an ideology entirely. Their agenda is their anger, an anger that is difficult to understand. Middle-class white men in the United States of America in anno Domini 2017 have their problems, to be sure. Life is full of little disappointments. But their motive is not to be found in their exterior circumstances, which are pretty good. Maybe too good: A great many of these young men have an interest in evolutionary psychology and evolutionary sociology — they like to think of themselves as “alpha males,” as though they were living in a chimpanzee troop — but it never occurs to them to consider their own status as rejects and failed men in that context. Online fantasy lives notwithstanding, random girls do not want to have sex with them. How do we know this? Because they are carrying tiki torches in a giant dork parade in Charlottesville. There’s no prom queen waiting at home. If we credit their own sociobiological model, they are the superfluous males who would have been discarded, along with their genetic material, by the pitiless state of nature. The fantasy of proving that they are something else is why they dream of violence and confrontation. They are the products of the soft liberal-democratic society they hold in contempt — and upon which they depend, utterly. James Alex Fields Jr. is angry at the world, and angry at his mother, probably for the same reason. What does an angry white boy want? The fact that they get together to play dress-up — to engage in a large and sometimes murderous game of cowboys and Indians — may give us our answer. They want to be someone other than who they are. That’s the great irony of identity politics: They seek identity in the tribe because they are failed individuals. They are a chain composed exclusively of weak links. What they are engaged in isn’t politics, but theater: play-acting in the hopes of achieving catharsis. Their online personas — knights, Vikings, reincarnations of Charles Martel — will be familiar enough to anybody with a Dungeons and Dragons nerd in his life. But sometimes, role-playing around a card table isn’t enough: Sometimes, you need a stage and an audience. In the theater, actors and audience both can forget ourselves for an hour or two. Under the soft glow of the tiki torches, these angry white boys can be something else — for a night. In the morning, they wake up with the same faces. And there is something in the faces. James Alex Fields Jr. has more than a little whiff of Dylann Roof about him, and we know what Dylann Roof wanted: to murder black people. Sometimes, it is worth taking angry white boys at their word.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450501/white-nationalists-alt-right-vague-grievances-what-do-they-want

    Replies: @Alden, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

  70. @Abe
    @Lot


    You could be right there. Trump’s personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.
     
    Yes, as opposed to all those other, respectable paleoconservative intellectuals and activists who are household names and forthright and on TV all the time because the media is so gosh-darn committed to a vigorous exchange of ideas.

    Replies: @Lot, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Paleos organized around talk radio, right wing websites, and the Tea Party killed Bush’s and Obama’s amnesty bills. It was a close call both times, but it was done despite the MSM fake news (who incessantly and falsely claimed the bills involved fines, back taxes, learning English, and tough border controls.)

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Lot


    Paleos organized around talk radio, right wing websites, and the Tea Party killed Bush’s and Obama’s amnesty bills.
     
    And constitutional law "professor" Obama then steamrolled them anyway by using the bill's demise as justification to not enforce existing immigration laws and issue all sorts of documents and permits and privileges to illegals in general and 'Dreamers' in particular ('We can't not put Dreamers on the fast-track to citizenship! Why, it was Dreamers who turned the tide at Lexington & Concord')

    As you say, MSM Fake News, should it even deign to acknowledge the existence of paleo arguments and speakers, would then swamp whatever was said in a flood of lies and half-truths and distortions, leaving the gentlemanly paleo sputtering and begging for a chance to speak that never comes, like Romney was at that debate where Candy(gobbler) Crowley all of a sudden decided to fact-check him.

    Let me use a parable, since you are from San Fran and I was once a native too. After many bitter harvests since moving to California, the Giants had the best run of fortune of any MLB team this century, winning 3 World Series in 4 years. Yet whenever I hung out on a Giants fan message board, all the weak-kneed, no-heart fans there could go on about was how stressful winning it all was, and how their delicate little systems could not stomach anything less a 4-consecutive blowout Giants sweep. And if I am truly honest with myself, I was not much better than those fans.

    The point being, that if Trump has not improved you as a man, you really have not been paying attention. Trump pulled off the greatest upset in Presidential history, yet to road to the White House was anything but smooth, orderly, and dignified. And if we have any hope of saving this country and its traditions we have to learn the have the self-confidence, thick skin, and will of Trump, and not be afraid to look boorish, loud-mouthed, and uncouth sometimes, or succumb to the urge to run to the nearest corner to curl up and die the next time we are 'embarrassed'. A regular gentleman, polished, nice paleocon would have died the death of a thousand comedy-news snarks by now. Trump is out there fighting the good fight and he is doing it completely alone. Truly the most Olympian figure of our age.

    Replies: @Rod1963

  71. @KM32
    I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. "So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?"

    This brought a shrug. "Maybe it should come down."

    Replies: @Jake, @27 year old, @AM, @L Woods, @george strong, @e, @Rod1963, @Wilkey, @S. Anonyia, @Ed, @Dave Pinsen

    Ask her if POTUS Trump should demand of Egypt that her pyramids be destroyed. They are, after all, offensive to the progeny of the slaves who toiled to built them. If she says, “Yes,” give her away.

    A second suggestion is that you have a heart to heart, a serious discussion about human nature and family in hopes she’ll come to understand that the young men who fought in gray were simply protecting their families and what little land they might have been squatting on. You know, put her inside the head of a 16 year old girl or boy of the era who hears some strangers are comin’ to take what they have. Boil it down to neighbor fighting for neighbor and father fighting for wife and kids. War is personal.

  72. @JerryC
    It does seem like an awful lot of these SJW types are "core Americans", though. I think the bigger factor is the progressive impulse to start over again at The Year Zero, wipe away the past and somehow social-engineer a better, more enlightened human being into existence.

    Replies: @StillCARealist

    So are we re-living a French Revolution? I wonder who the new Napolean will be.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @StillCARealist

    As I stated, I think this movement to destroy white heritage statues/flags is largely a plan by the Powerbroker Left to drive the Right into demonstrations, where the Leftist thugs can assault them and the corporate media can demonize them and blame them for all the violence and their jobs can be taken away via self-deputized "anti-racist police" online who expose their identity.

    But it won't work. The die is cast, and the Leftists have come up snake eyes.

    , @Fredrik
    @StillCARealist

    Zuckerberg?

    I have a dark horse though. It's Jeff Bezos. Amazon has not so quietly been transforming retail the last few years. Now that the president is tweeting about Amazon it could actually give Bezos another platform(apart from Washington Post).

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/897763049226084352

  73. Steve, that article extract is incredibly succinct and profound.

  74. @Abe
    @Lot


    You could be right there. Trump’s personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.
     
    Yes, as opposed to all those other, respectable paleoconservative intellectuals and activists who are household names and forthright and on TV all the time because the media is so gosh-darn committed to a vigorous exchange of ideas.

    Replies: @Lot, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    You could be right there. Trump’s personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.

    Yes, as opposed to all those other, respectable paleoconservative intellectuals and activists who are household names and forthright and on TV all the time because the media is so gosh-darn committed to a vigorous exchange of ideas.

    Yes, but he’s Our Bastard.

    Anyone smooth, bright, well-read and articulate would have been cut down long before this. Such a man being elected President in 2016 would be an impossibility.

    • Replies: @AM
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    Anyone smooth, bright, well-read and articulate would have been cut down long before this.
     
    Trump is smooth, bright, and well-read. What he is not is articulate. Anyone with less brains and real character would have been cut down long before this.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    , @Lot
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    Anyone smooth, bright, well-read and articulate would have been cut down long before this.
     
    His name is Kris Kobach. In 18 months he will be governor of Kansas, and hopefully president in 2020 or 2024.
  75. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Clyde

    Clyde, I don't think legality of "the pot" is really a big factor. People are going to use it, legal or not, and I am NOT an aficionado, BTW.

    However, as to the native born youth with long-term roots, the brainwashing from K-12 on to 18 years (gradual school, anyone?) is the problem. Unless the parents spend a lot of time, or even better, home-school, think about this: Do you have kids, Clyde? Once you do, it's easy to see that their whole world is just everything that surrounds them when little, and it's easy to pour ideas into their heads, with no counterbalance. Their minds are wide open, and they won't see anything but what they're taught unless you get them to think critically early on.

    I don't mean some asinine class in "critical thinking". You just have to let them know right away when someone is full of crap, whether purposefully or not. Believe 1/2 or what you hear and 1/4 of what you read my smart Dad would always say. Or, possibly vice versa. I'm down to about .25 and .027 at this point.

    Replies: @AM

    However, as to the native born youth with long-term roots, the brainwashing from K-12 on to 18 years (gradual school, anyone?) is the problem.

    This is the problem.

    American history is present like the only place ever to have slavery was the US. That it predominated events up the Civil War and heaven knows nothing went on of importance until the Civil Rights movement.

    Yes, the books are filled with more than that, but the leftist teachers (majority leftist) aren’t interested.

    Meanwhile they imagine that the Declaration of Independence was a governing document rather than overly flowery way to tell King George and his Court to pound it. When Jefferson penned “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….” they’ve imagined that was the pure unadulterated spirit of the Revolution. (Also that he didn’t really mean God in that passage)

    Its turns out that Brits at the time had treated the native born American cousins rather poorly during the French and Indian War. General George Washington was never more than Colonial under the British scheme of placing naive born Brits over Americans. After the French and Indian war, self governing natives were looking straight down the barrel of a)more government and b)from far off bozos who understood little of the daily realities of colonial life and held them in contempt.

    When Jefferson wrote that, it’s quite likely he meant that white aristocrats born this side of the pond were certainly equal to those on the other side. Yes, he was impacted by the Enlightenment, but truthfully nobody seems to take it too seriously doing the colonial era. That would be later generations.

    The Constitution in contrast, the real working document of the US has this as it’s sensible preamble: “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

    Very conservative and rather non-egalitarian in contrast.

    But the kids know is the Declaration of Independence, slavery is bad and we were the center of it (Uncle Tom’s cabin!) and we’ve been asking them to ignore the obvious cognitive dissonance on the point. I don’t think it gets better unless we try to muddy the waters and make history the complex thing that it is.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @AM


    the books are filled with more than that
     
    Not so much.

    A lot of what we learned has been crowded out/revised unsympathetically.

    We are a conquered people.

  76. @Polynikes
    @Jake

    I can't wait for them to come after the holy Republican Lincoln. So far, all the Paul Ryan RINOs have done is gravel at the feet of anyone screaming "racist."

    But Lincoln is their holy grail of founding fathers. He "freed the slaves" and thus can't be racist! We'll see if his like Ryan have any backbone when they come for Lincoln or if it just corporate donations all the way down.

    Replies: @Jake, @AndrewR

    Ron Unz needs to invite Thomas DiLorenzo to post a list here of Lincoln at his most racist. It would be long, and eye-opening for the ignorant.

  77. President Trump has been horribly attacked by the Jewish-controlled corporate media in the United States. President Trump has been viciously attacked by the GOP ruling class rats such as Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Jeff Flake and others.

    CNN, Comcast, CBS and other corporate media is owned and controlled by Jews. There is no debate about that. Jewish influence in the corporate media must be made a routine political issue to discuss in political campaigns. United States national security demands it.

    The question as to who actually controls the corporate media in the United States is a vital one. The same Globalizer creatures who own the corporate media are the same ones who have bought and paid for the politician whores attacking President Trump. White Core Americans have no other choice but to defend and protect President Trump.

    President Trump has a fine sense of fair play. President Trump only attacks those who attack him. For better or for worse, President Trump is the representative for the ancestral core of the United States. Attorney General Jeff Sessions could tell you that it is not easy, sometimes, to be President Trump’s friend. But I know that you don’t want to be President Trump’s enemy. President Trump must fight the corporate media and the rats in the GOP ruling class. President Trump must let the Democrat bastards know that they will suffer for their nasty attacks on regular Americans who support free speech.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    @Charles Pewitt

    Suppose, as a thought experiment, that all the Jews in the media got religion simultaneously and moved to Israel. Would CNN’s programming be substantially altered under the interim leadership of Fareed Zakaria or Jim Acosta or perhaps the preposterously-WASPy Anderson Hays Cooper?


    Cooper was born in New York City, the younger son of the writer Wyatt Emory Cooper and the artist, fashion designer, writer, and heiress Gloria Vanderbilt. His maternal grandparents were millionaire equestrian Reginald Claypoole Vanderbilt and socialite Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt, and his maternal great-great-great-grandfather was business magnate Cornelius Vanderbilt, of the prominent Vanderbilt shipping and railroad fortune.[4] He is also a descendant, through his mother, of Civil War brevet Major General Hugh Judson Kilpatrick, who was with General William T. Sherman on his march through Georgia. Through his "Vanderbilt" line, he is a second cousin, once removed, of screenwriter James Vanderbilt.
     
  78. @Lot
    @Charles Pewitt

    Some antisemites like Henry Ford seem cool, but mostly they are underemployed mental cases.

    Replies: @AM

    Some antisemites like Henry Ford seem cool, but mostly they are underemployed mental cases.

    He wrote a balanced, fair post regarding Jews with praise for many in their ranks. Secularized Jews do control the media, and are determined to tear down Western Civilization, and that’s just how it is. There are bad Jews out there. Get over it. I get the flippin priest scandal thrown at me all the time and expressing anti-Catholic sentiments is about as American as baseball and apple pie. I don’t feel the need to make snide pot shots at Baptists or Paula Deen.

    At some point, you need to decide whether your are for Western Civilization or against it. I can’t speak for everyone obviously, but I’m happy to join with anyone who genuinely wants to help save our history and culture regardless of their religious background or ethnicity.

    But if you can only think “Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, what about the Jews? ” then what help are you? There is something much larger here than feeling insulted when someone points out the truth about Jewish culture.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @AM

    --But if you can only think “Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, what about the Jews?"--

    You do know what website this is, right?

    --There is something much larger here than feeling insulted when someone points out the truth about Jewish culture.--

    You think I'd be on this site if antisemitism hurt my feelings?

    --At some point, you need to decide whether your are for Western Civilization or against it.--

    And the way to do that divide whites into philo and antisemite camps by harping on JQ? How has that worked out historically? How is that working out today?

    Replies: @AM, @Opinionator

  79. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Abe


    @Lot

    You could be right there. Trump’s personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.
     
    Yes, as opposed to all those other, respectable paleoconservative intellectuals and activists who are household names and forthright and on TV all the time because the media is so gosh-darn committed to a vigorous exchange of ideas.

     

    Yes, but he's Our Bastard.

    Anyone smooth, bright, well-read and articulate would have been cut down long before this. Such a man being elected President in 2016 would be an impossibility.

    Replies: @AM, @Lot

    Anyone smooth, bright, well-read and articulate would have been cut down long before this.

    Trump is smooth, bright, and well-read. What he is not is articulate. Anyone with less brains and real character would have been cut down long before this.

    • Agree: Abe
    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @AM


    Trump is smooth, bright, and well-read. What he is not is articulate. Anyone with less brains and real character would have been cut down long before this.
     
    Look - I voted for the guy, went to a speech, and altogether think he's getting to the most important issue - the National Question - in a way that would otherwise have been impossible.

    But let's not kid ourselves. One of the reasons he was impervious to Leftist pieties is that he wasn't that into politics to know what the approved answers were and what traps were laid. So he went with his instincts about what he thought would appeal to the sort of people possibly open to voting for him. He might be bright but he hadn't applied that to anything outside of business and marketing for most of his adult life.

    Let's also be honest in that he got an enormous boost from the media in the primary because they thought they'd tar the entire GOP field with his "racist sexist xenophobia" and sink the eventual nominee who would then have to court Trump's base. They exceeded their wildest expectations and helped get him the nomination (at which point they went wall-to-wall against him).
  80. For more than a week we had a growing anti-SJW momentum in popular culture with Damore’s memo. The facts were perfect and on our side, and we had a likable face the normies could identify with, and a dislikable enemy in Apu Pikachu and the blue haired “that’s not funny!” harpies.

    Then our friends Richard Spencer and DailyStormer did them a solid and changed the topic to “Violent Nazi Mobs: Yea or Nay?”

    • Agree: snorlax, ic1000
    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Lot

    If you think Richard Spencer has that kind of power, I've got three bridges in Brooklyn to sell you.

    The Hundred Dork March is Fake News.

    Replies: @Lot

  81. Abe says: • Website
    @Doug
    If the neo-nazis wanted to confuse the hell out of everyone, they should go protest in *favor* of pulling down some Andrew Jackson statue somewhere.

    (One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.)

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir, @Abe, @Abe, @Opinionator, @whorefinder

    (One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.)

    And that’s the big (Spirit) Elephant in the room, isn’ it? Cucks are desperately trying to triangulate their way out of this by throwing The South under the bus. Party of Lincoln, yea! Robert Byrd and Strom Thurmond were Democrats, yea! Lincoln’s only fault was that he appointed pansies like Grant and Sherman who didn’t finish the job by ethnically cleansing all those old-timey deplorables when they had the chance, yea!

    But the thing is, we have not even BEGUN to address the issue of reparations towards the Indians, and no cuck faux Northerner is going to be able to sidestep the fact that something he holds dear was built on land taken from the Natives Americans. Are the Mormons willing to move their Grand Temple off of land originally belonging to some tribe and onto some floating garbage island in the middle of the Pacific?

  82. Nice guy.

  83. @KM32
    @27 year old

    The kid has gone full communist, and yeah, I'd like to say fine, ask the government for money then. Oh, and it would probably be best if you moved out when you're eighteen so I don't have to listen to you endlessly going on about white men, cis-privilege, and other crap.

    But try telling a warm-hearted, loving mother than you're going to cut off your kid for bad political views, and see how well it goes over.

    Replies: @Lot, @Kylie, @Desiderius, @27 year old, @Ed

    White women tend to move right when they marry young. Send her to BYU or Regent or the right wing libertarian college in Michigan.

  84. @KM32
    @27 year old

    The kid has gone full communist, and yeah, I'd like to say fine, ask the government for money then. Oh, and it would probably be best if you moved out when you're eighteen so I don't have to listen to you endlessly going on about white men, cis-privilege, and other crap.

    But try telling a warm-hearted, loving mother than you're going to cut off your kid for bad political views, and see how well it goes over.

    Replies: @Lot, @Kylie, @Desiderius, @27 year old, @Ed

    Maybe you should stop talking to your kid and start talking to your wife.

  85. Well we know from gay marriage that they will just move on to their next target, they will not be satisfied. I suggest targeting the left’s icons so goodbye MLK boulevard, that bridge in Boston etc. Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson would appreciate a quick counter attack to throw your opponent off balance.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    @LondonBob

    LondonBob, re: demonizing icons of the left:

    The lowest-hanging fruit has to be former (as in dead) West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd. Former grand kleagle (whatever) of the Ku Klux Klan, namesake of half the monuments in his home state, lionized by Dems up through his death in 2010. Practically a cartoon of a good-old-boy politician on the take.

    Best of all, a lot of current Liberals in politics and the press are on record praising him to high heaven (usually as some kind of "constitutional expert" standing up to Republican judicial nominees).

    It should have been easy to tar him and his friends with his Klan background, demand Byrd's name be stricken from a dozen elementary schools. But the GOP were/are too flaccid to even try. It's a little late, but a takedown of Byrd's legacy would be a shot across the bow of lefty pols who dream of having their names immortalized on a post office; a baby step in establishing a "balance of terror."

    Replies: @Art Deco

  86. @KM32
    @27 year old

    The kid has gone full communist, and yeah, I'd like to say fine, ask the government for money then. Oh, and it would probably be best if you moved out when you're eighteen so I don't have to listen to you endlessly going on about white men, cis-privilege, and other crap.

    But try telling a warm-hearted, loving mother than you're going to cut off your kid for bad political views, and see how well it goes over.

    Replies: @Lot, @Kylie, @Desiderius, @27 year old, @Ed

    Keep your cool while setting limits and keeping them.

    The contrast with those seducing her will gnaw at the back of her mind.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Desiderius

    "Keep your cool while setting limits and keeping them.

    The contrast with those seducing her will gnaw at the back of her mind."

    I agree--but the contrast gnawing at the back of her mind will not cause her to look favorably on KM32's POV. I think the opposite will occur. You're suggesting he pit coolness, rationality and reasonable limits against feelz. If he does that, the feelz will win. Because that's what the left (composed mostly of unattractive and entitled white women, unmanly white men and blacks) is all about. The last thing these losers want is a reasonable discussion grounded in a factual, historical context. All facts are hate facts to them because the only weapon in their arsenal is irrationality.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  87. The text from last Sunday’s service:

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+37%3A18-36&version=NLT

    23 So when Joseph arrived, his brothers ripped off the beautiful robe he was wearing. 24 Then they grabbed him and threw him into the cistern. Now the cistern was empty; there was no water in it. 25 Then, just as they were sitting down to eat, they looked up and saw a caravan of camels in the distance coming toward them. It was a group of Ishmaelite traders taking a load of gum, balm, and aromatic resin from Gilead down to Egypt.

    Our brothers are jealous of our colorful heritage. They want to strip it from us and sell us into slavery to the Ishmaelites.

  88. @Lot
    For more than a week we had a growing anti-SJW momentum in popular culture with Damore's memo. The facts were perfect and on our side, and we had a likable face the normies could identify with, and a dislikable enemy in Apu Pikachu and the blue haired "that's not funny!" harpies.

    Then our friends Richard Spencer and DailyStormer did them a solid and changed the topic to "Violent Nazi Mobs: Yea or Nay?"

    Replies: @Desiderius

    If you think Richard Spencer has that kind of power, I’ve got three bridges in Brooklyn to sell you.

    The Hundred Dork March is Fake News.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Desiderius

    I agree it was fake news, but fake news just doesn't make itself up. The MSM has always needed a go-to patsy to feed its desire for "Nazis are coming" articles. Spencer is simply a lot better at it than, say, David Duke or that guy in Indiana. He is a Nazi version of Luke Sissyfag.

    Replies: @AM

  89. @Anonymous
    In reality, the greatest sins of those who built America, and frankly the greatest sins of the West, have been kindness and generosity. These are great virtues, and among our greatest strengths when extended to ourselves. They create high trust, low crime, low corruption societies, where people watch out for one another, help each other through hardships and the cream can rise to the top. But it is ruthless exploited by people from everywhere else, who view it not as virtue, but view it the same way a thief views a home where the people don't lock their doors.

    People in other parts of the world aren't dealing with this BS because they never had their others to deal with. When they conquered others, the others either were subsumed inside the dominant people completely, or they were annihilated. Needless to say, these people wouldn't think of letting in the 'wretched refuse' of other lands come and suckle off their generosity, spit on their ancestors, and talk about and act in ways to wipe out the majority.

    Replies: @Jake, @TomSchmidt

    “In reality, the greatest sins of those who built America, and frankly the greatest sins of the West, have been kindness and generosity.”

    Tenderness leads to the gas chambers.

    The post-Christian West came up with the new religion of saving the world’s blacks and browns from hunger, and the end result is that the welfare has made the blacks and browns hate the West and white people more than ever.

  90. @AM
    @Lot


    Some antisemites like Henry Ford seem cool, but mostly they are underemployed mental cases.
     
    He wrote a balanced, fair post regarding Jews with praise for many in their ranks. Secularized Jews do control the media, and are determined to tear down Western Civilization, and that's just how it is. There are bad Jews out there. Get over it. I get the flippin priest scandal thrown at me all the time and expressing anti-Catholic sentiments is about as American as baseball and apple pie. I don't feel the need to make snide pot shots at Baptists or Paula Deen.

    At some point, you need to decide whether your are for Western Civilization or against it. I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I'm happy to join with anyone who genuinely wants to help save our history and culture regardless of their religious background or ethnicity.

    But if you can only think "Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, what about the Jews? " then what help are you? There is something much larger here than feeling insulted when someone points out the truth about Jewish culture.

    Replies: @Lot

    –But if you can only think “Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, what about the Jews?”–

    You do know what website this is, right?

    –There is something much larger here than feeling insulted when someone points out the truth about Jewish culture.–

    You think I’d be on this site if antisemitism hurt my feelings?

    –At some point, you need to decide whether your are for Western Civilization or against it.–

    And the way to do that divide whites into philo and antisemite camps by harping on JQ? How has that worked out historically? How is that working out today?

    • Replies: @AM
    @Lot


    You think I’d be on this site if antisemitism hurt my feelings?
     
    Then why the unnecessary snide comment?

    He was fair. Let it go.


    And the way to do that divide whites into philo and antisemite camps by harping on JQ? How has that worked out historically? How is that working out today?
     
    You don't want a real answer to this question. When whites unite behind antisemitism, they get things done and usually the worst thing that can happen to Jews is they get asked to leave. At this point in time, there's a very nice, developed country that's all Jewish just waiting. You can make very succinct case that the Brits became a world power by throwing out most of the Jews at the right time. And the Dutch did not because they were too tolerant. Certainly the last generation of Brits that were not total wussies weren't bothered by their antisemitism.

    The only time it backfired was actually when the Germans, those ultra perfectionists on all things theological and political, lost their flipping minds. The Holocaust is very much an event of a particular time and place.

    And unfortunately, countries that keep/allow Jewish influence can find themselves very divided. CNN has no interest in middle America or it's unity because it's now a Jewish organization. And the Germans were not wrong to look back and the Weirmar republic and be frustrated with the divisiveness of Jewish communist groups and media at the time. The Germans took it too far..way too far..but the initial impulse and frustration was certainly understandable.

    So you can try to understand and correct the situation from the American POV, in whatever small capacity you can, or you can make snide remarks about Henry Ford. Up to you.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Opinionator
    @Lot

    Maybe it's time you grew up and stopped using the phrase "antiSemitism."

  91. @AM
    @Achmed E. Newman


    However, as to the native born youth with long-term roots, the brainwashing from K-12 on to 18 years (gradual school, anyone?) is the problem.
     
    This is the problem.

    American history is present like the only place ever to have slavery was the US. That it predominated events up the Civil War and heaven knows nothing went on of importance until the Civil Rights movement.

    Yes, the books are filled with more than that, but the leftist teachers (majority leftist) aren't interested.

    Meanwhile they imagine that the Declaration of Independence was a governing document rather than overly flowery way to tell King George and his Court to pound it. When Jefferson penned "We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness…." they've imagined that was the pure unadulterated spirit of the Revolution. (Also that he didn't really mean God in that passage)

    Its turns out that Brits at the time had treated the native born American cousins rather poorly during the French and Indian War. General George Washington was never more than Colonial under the British scheme of placing naive born Brits over Americans. After the French and Indian war, self governing natives were looking straight down the barrel of a)more government and b)from far off bozos who understood little of the daily realities of colonial life and held them in contempt.

    When Jefferson wrote that, it's quite likely he meant that white aristocrats born this side of the pond were certainly equal to those on the other side. Yes, he was impacted by the Enlightenment, but truthfully nobody seems to take it too seriously doing the colonial era. That would be later generations.

    The Constitution in contrast, the real working document of the US has this as it's sensible preamble: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Very conservative and rather non-egalitarian in contrast.

    But the kids know is the Declaration of Independence, slavery is bad and we were the center of it (Uncle Tom's cabin!) and we've been asking them to ignore the obvious cognitive dissonance on the point. I don't think it gets better unless we try to muddy the waters and make history the complex thing that it is.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    the books are filled with more than that

    Not so much.

    A lot of what we learned has been crowded out/revised unsympathetically.

    We are a conquered people.

  92. @Anonym
    BTW it just seems insane that the left would even consider attacking Jefferson. William Jefferson Clinton is named after him - the left are truly eating their own.

    Jefferson is perhaps the coolest founding father. Admittedly, Ben Franklin was amazing too. If they want to build the hatred that is going to enact the Lincoln Plan, then they are going down the right path. Ultimately it will be a good thing. Keep knocking down more statues, lefties! Stoke that hate!

    Replies: @Indiana Jack, @Abe, @Jim Don Bob

    BTW it just seems insane that the left would even consider attacking Jefferson. William Jefferson Clinton is named after him

    William Jefferson Clinton isn’t the only one. Jefferson Davis, CSA was named after our 3rd President, who was in office at the time of his birth.

    The Jefferson Davis State Historic Site is currently maintained by the state of Kentucky at his birthplace in Fairview, Kentucky. It will probably be in the news in the next week, since it is just a few minutes outside the city of Hopkinsville, epicenter of the upcoming August 21 eclipse. The site is centered around a 351 ft tall monument which is visible for miles and will be clearly seen by many of the 200,000 tourists expected to converge on the area for the eclipse.

  93. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Abe


    @Lot

    You could be right there. Trump’s personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.
     
    Yes, as opposed to all those other, respectable paleoconservative intellectuals and activists who are household names and forthright and on TV all the time because the media is so gosh-darn committed to a vigorous exchange of ideas.

     

    Yes, but he's Our Bastard.

    Anyone smooth, bright, well-read and articulate would have been cut down long before this. Such a man being elected President in 2016 would be an impossibility.

    Replies: @AM, @Lot

    Anyone smooth, bright, well-read and articulate would have been cut down long before this.

    His name is Kris Kobach. In 18 months he will be governor of Kansas, and hopefully president in 2020 or 2024.

  94. @Clyde
    I get your point, as in half of Obama's ancestry has zero roots in America. But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America. No immigrants or sons of immigrants in that mob, so I would think. There sure are a lot of prominent media talking heads who were not born here with Farheed Zakaria and Christiana Amanpour being the most irritating. Joy-Ann Reid born here of Congolese and some other foreigner is awful and a dunce. She thinks she is a genius. There are others.
    (No I am not going to spell check the above people, they are not worth it)

    And sad to say we have youth whose families have been here for a long time. That our colleges have brainwashed into aimless lefties and elevators of gaydom and trans nonsense. Legalization of marijuana is softening up young peoples brains to believe leftist propaganda and blame Thomas Jefferson. Any white kid who proclaims, "I am anti-racist" has gone all in.

    When you think about it, it is very odd that so many American youth are willing to take their cues from blacks and their culture. They are just 11% of the population.

    Replies: @AM, @San Fernando Curt, @Achmed E. Newman, @Beckow, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Danindc, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    Who are the Durham whites who participated? They are not Southerners, they are the third/fourth generation of the Great Migration out of white ethnic neighborhoods that was engineered after WWII… they come to The University of New Jersey in Durham (Duke) with no roots themselves, despising the locals who are “rednecks” and seek to transform Durham into Williamsburg South, a hipster paradise of craft breweries, start-ups, and local foodie culture…
    It’s why the Research Triangle was created, to bring in northerners with STEM degrees… for a lower cost of living than New Jersey you can have an ambiguously designed pile of luxury Sheetrock, go to Target, Soccer practice, watch Netflix… and your kids can LARP a start-up in exposed brick tobacco warehouses while drinking IPAs at a fraction of the cost of San Fran…

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    I have relatives in NC, most which have been there since before the USA and a brother who is a California transplant. You have hit the nail on the head. The good-whites have aligned themselves completely with the blacks and the Latino invasion in an attempt to build a ruling coalition. They despise the bad-whites not just because of a history, which ironically they all share, but because they are a reminder of their open treason and rejection of their past. The coalition they have formed is so unstable that it requires absolute obedience to dogma and a blindness to the retrograde tendency of their new best friends and allies along with the constant recital of how bad Southern Whites are. Most of these good-whites are also quite contemptuous of religion as well. The funny thing is that the good-whites in the South really don't fit in anywhere which is why I think they have so much hatred in them.

    , @Abe
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel


    Who are the Durham whites who participated? They are not Southerners, they are the third/fourth generation of the Great Migration out of white ethnic neighborhoods that was engineered after WWII
     
    A while back I complimented another poster for a pithy name for this sort of anti-White White Person bigotry- 'hijacked white body'.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel

  95. @Desiderius
    @Lot

    If you think Richard Spencer has that kind of power, I've got three bridges in Brooklyn to sell you.

    The Hundred Dork March is Fake News.

    Replies: @Lot

    I agree it was fake news, but fake news just doesn’t make itself up. The MSM has always needed a go-to patsy to feed its desire for “Nazis are coming” articles. Spencer is simply a lot better at it than, say, David Duke or that guy in Indiana. He is a Nazi version of Luke Sissyfag.

    • Replies: @AM
    @Lot


    The MSM has always needed a go-to patsy to feed its desire for “Nazis are coming” articles.
     
    Correct. The Jewish dominated media can do nothing but play out it's deep seated fears during it's working hours.

    Therefore the right cannot have anything put "perfect" demonstrations lest the media go ape. One loser Nazi LARPer is enough to ruin it all. But Antifata can show up literally looking like ISIS and with baseball bats and it's fine. Because leftist movements have never on turned Jews.

    sigh Y'all really are under God's protection. But in the end, the opinions offered, if they not tempered with a willingness to go outside your natural POV, are not helpful. "Be perfect because the media has several deep seated neurosis" is not actually a real option. It means we get steamrollered.
  96. @Flip
    @Jack D

    Let's hope Washington and Lee University doesn't change its name.

    Replies: @Dignan

    Oh, I’m sure it’s coming. Students haven’t arrived back on campus yet but I’m sure that the SJW students will immediately start up with the protests.

  97. Sorry but this is strained. Ellis Island immigrants are envious of WASPs because the latter created beautiful landscapes? This makes no sense.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @inertial

    I agree. Not his best work. Everyone has a bad day I suppose.

  98. In many ways, the current moral panic over Trump declaring that both sides were violent in Charlottesville is identical to that over saying “All Lives Matter” instead of “Black Lives Matter”.

    Under current religious rules, it’s blasphemous to suggest that there’s any parity between the concerns of one side and those of the other. There is only one evil, “Othering”, and only one good, the extermination of “Othering”.

  99. @Lot
    @AM

    --But if you can only think “Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, what about the Jews?"--

    You do know what website this is, right?

    --There is something much larger here than feeling insulted when someone points out the truth about Jewish culture.--

    You think I'd be on this site if antisemitism hurt my feelings?

    --At some point, you need to decide whether your are for Western Civilization or against it.--

    And the way to do that divide whites into philo and antisemite camps by harping on JQ? How has that worked out historically? How is that working out today?

    Replies: @AM, @Opinionator

    You think I’d be on this site if antisemitism hurt my feelings?

    Then why the unnecessary snide comment?

    He was fair. Let it go.

    And the way to do that divide whites into philo and antisemite camps by harping on JQ? How has that worked out historically? How is that working out today?

    You don’t want a real answer to this question. When whites unite behind antisemitism, they get things done and usually the worst thing that can happen to Jews is they get asked to leave. At this point in time, there’s a very nice, developed country that’s all Jewish just waiting. You can make very succinct case that the Brits became a world power by throwing out most of the Jews at the right time. And the Dutch did not because they were too tolerant. Certainly the last generation of Brits that were not total wussies weren’t bothered by their antisemitism.

    The only time it backfired was actually when the Germans, those ultra perfectionists on all things theological and political, lost their flipping minds. The Holocaust is very much an event of a particular time and place.

    And unfortunately, countries that keep/allow Jewish influence can find themselves very divided. CNN has no interest in middle America or it’s unity because it’s now a Jewish organization. And the Germans were not wrong to look back and the Weirmar republic and be frustrated with the divisiveness of Jewish communist groups and media at the time. The Germans took it too far..way too far..but the initial impulse and frustration was certainly understandable.

    So you can try to understand and correct the situation from the American POV, in whatever small capacity you can, or you can make snide remarks about Henry Ford. Up to you.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @AM

    Tard, England's power peaked in the Victorian era which was so philosemetic that it had one Jewish PM and another one married to a Jew.

    "So you can try to understand and correct the situation from the American POV,"

    The people who agree with your "American POV" are Muslims, obese lefty BDS bluehairs, and Nazi cosplayers. As Don says, they are a disgrace.

    https://m.imgur.com/a/tyFzO

  100. Abe says: • Website
    @Lot
    @Abe

    Paleos organized around talk radio, right wing websites, and the Tea Party killed Bush's and Obama's amnesty bills. It was a close call both times, but it was done despite the MSM fake news (who incessantly and falsely claimed the bills involved fines, back taxes, learning English, and tough border controls.)

    Replies: @Abe

    Paleos organized around talk radio, right wing websites, and the Tea Party killed Bush’s and Obama’s amnesty bills.

    And constitutional law “professor” Obama then steamrolled them anyway by using the bill’s demise as justification to not enforce existing immigration laws and issue all sorts of documents and permits and privileges to illegals in general and ‘Dreamers’ in particular (‘We can’t not put Dreamers on the fast-track to citizenship! Why, it was Dreamers who turned the tide at Lexington & Concord’)

    As you say, MSM Fake News, should it even deign to acknowledge the existence of paleo arguments and speakers, would then swamp whatever was said in a flood of lies and half-truths and distortions, leaving the gentlemanly paleo sputtering and begging for a chance to speak that never comes, like Romney was at that debate where Candy(gobbler) Crowley all of a sudden decided to fact-check him.

    Let me use a parable, since you are from San Fran and I was once a native too. After many bitter harvests since moving to California, the Giants had the best run of fortune of any MLB team this century, winning 3 World Series in 4 years. Yet whenever I hung out on a Giants fan message board, all the weak-kneed, no-heart fans there could go on about was how stressful winning it all was, and how their delicate little systems could not stomach anything less a 4-consecutive blowout Giants sweep. And if I am truly honest with myself, I was not much better than those fans.

    The point being, that if Trump has not improved you as a man, you really have not been paying attention. Trump pulled off the greatest upset in Presidential history, yet to road to the White House was anything but smooth, orderly, and dignified. And if we have any hope of saving this country and its traditions we have to learn the have the self-confidence, thick skin, and will of Trump, and not be afraid to look boorish, loud-mouthed, and uncouth sometimes, or succumb to the urge to run to the nearest corner to curl up and die the next time we are ’embarrassed’. A regular gentleman, polished, nice paleocon would have died the death of a thousand comedy-news snarks by now. Trump is out there fighting the good fight and he is doing it completely alone. Truly the most Olympian figure of our age.

    • Replies: @Rod1963
    @Abe

    Trump is indeed a Olympian

    No politician would have done what he did yesterday that is to stand up to the agit-prop press and condemn those SOB's. In fact his own party attacked him. CEO's are busy virtue signalling, etc.

    People should be praising him because he's the only one trying to keep this from becoming a civil war. No one else is. The alt-right thinks it's just a reason to be snarky and the party will continue on for many decades to come.

  101. @KM32
    @27 year old

    The kid has gone full communist, and yeah, I'd like to say fine, ask the government for money then. Oh, and it would probably be best if you moved out when you're eighteen so I don't have to listen to you endlessly going on about white men, cis-privilege, and other crap.

    But try telling a warm-hearted, loving mother than you're going to cut off your kid for bad political views, and see how well it goes over.

    Replies: @Lot, @Kylie, @Desiderius, @27 year old, @Ed

    >But try telling a warm-hearted, loving mother than you’re going to cut off your kid for bad political views, and see how well it goes over.

    You don’t have to kick the kid out, just withold funding.

    You don’t know what your wife is going to say until you try it. Have a calm discussion and see where it leads.

  102. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @Clyde

    Who are the Durham whites who participated? They are not Southerners, they are the third/fourth generation of the Great Migration out of white ethnic neighborhoods that was engineered after WWII... they come to The University of New Jersey in Durham (Duke) with no roots themselves, despising the locals who are "rednecks" and seek to transform Durham into Williamsburg South, a hipster paradise of craft breweries, start-ups, and local foodie culture...
    It's why the Research Triangle was created, to bring in northerners with STEM degrees... for a lower cost of living than New Jersey you can have an ambiguously designed pile of luxury Sheetrock, go to Target, Soccer practice, watch Netflix... and your kids can LARP a start-up in exposed brick tobacco warehouses while drinking IPAs at a fraction of the cost of San Fran...

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Abe

    I have relatives in NC, most which have been there since before the USA and a brother who is a California transplant. You have hit the nail on the head. The good-whites have aligned themselves completely with the blacks and the Latino invasion in an attempt to build a ruling coalition. They despise the bad-whites not just because of a history, which ironically they all share, but because they are a reminder of their open treason and rejection of their past. The coalition they have formed is so unstable that it requires absolute obedience to dogma and a blindness to the retrograde tendency of their new best friends and allies along with the constant recital of how bad Southern Whites are. Most of these good-whites are also quite contemptuous of religion as well. The funny thing is that the good-whites in the South really don’t fit in anywhere which is why I think they have so much hatred in them.

  103. @Anonymous
    In reality, the greatest sins of those who built America, and frankly the greatest sins of the West, have been kindness and generosity. These are great virtues, and among our greatest strengths when extended to ourselves. They create high trust, low crime, low corruption societies, where people watch out for one another, help each other through hardships and the cream can rise to the top. But it is ruthless exploited by people from everywhere else, who view it not as virtue, but view it the same way a thief views a home where the people don't lock their doors.

    People in other parts of the world aren't dealing with this BS because they never had their others to deal with. When they conquered others, the others either were subsumed inside the dominant people completely, or they were annihilated. Needless to say, these people wouldn't think of letting in the 'wretched refuse' of other lands come and suckle off their generosity, spit on their ancestors, and talk about and act in ways to wipe out the majority.

    Replies: @Jake, @TomSchmidt

    “In reality, the greatest sins of those who built America, and frankly the greatest sins of the West, have been kindness and generosity.”

    Depends by what you mean by built. I can think of a few sins worse than kindness and generosity, and I’m sure you can too. Slavery was definitely one, and the avaricious genocide of native peoples (the savages Jefferson complains about in the Declaration) in North and South America was another. Killing off the Indians only to turn the conquered land over to others from around the world compounds the original sin.

    That everyone did it in the past doesn’t make it right. We don’t get to pretend that we didn’t do it, either, as a culture. We won’t win by telling ourselves pretty lies.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @TomSchmidt

    Schmidt? What about your German ancestors who came charging out of Central Asia 10,000 years ago to conquer the Celts of Europe and ended up conquering the Roman Empire for yourselves?

    Go do penance for that dreadful crime of genocide.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

  104. “America is increasingly dominated by people with shallow roots in this country”

    People such as yourself and Donald Trump, you mean?

  105. @Yak-15
    It's difficult to not be of two minds about the issues of confederate statues. On one hand, a good deal of my ancestors fought them as Union soldiers. Some of them whose war grave I can find on an ancestry website. They died to preserve the union and they fought with bayonets the people commanded by the confederate officers who those statues represent. If they are anything like me, they would resent the existence of those statues.

    On the other hand, these SJW monsters are erasing history. They are trying to piously absolve themselves if the sins of the past. Somewhat like Jesus, they believe they are tearing down these statues and killing them to save future generations. This is no different than the Taliban dynamiting ancient Buddhists rock statues. Who are they to change my history? What right do they have to tear down monuments of American history regardless of what they stand for? The absurdity of the whole situation is breathtaking.

    They believe they are destroying the idols of the evil other side and that it will somehow scatter its followers. It's tribal and beyond bizarre. It's indicative of why multi-cultural societies inherently devolve into strife and corruption. Do they somehow think that smashing these monuments will somehow purge humanity of its endemic preference for those like themselves?

    It's equivalent would be to destroy the great First World War monuments in order to rid the French people of warrior spirit to prevent war.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    On one hand, a good deal of my ancestors fought them as Union soldiers. Some of them whose war grave I can find on an ancestry website. They died to preserve the union and they fought with bayonets the people commanded by the confederate officers who those statues represent. If they are anything like me, they would resent the existence of those statues.

    The confederate soldiers died to defend their country from invasion and subjugation.

    But regardless of how you characterize the conflict, they and their descendants would resent your desire–you who are an admitted outsider–to desecrate memorials to their war dead.

  106. Can someone explain how Richard Spencer is helping to advance the Trump agenda?

  107. @AM
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    Anyone smooth, bright, well-read and articulate would have been cut down long before this.
     
    Trump is smooth, bright, and well-read. What he is not is articulate. Anyone with less brains and real character would have been cut down long before this.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Trump is smooth, bright, and well-read. What he is not is articulate. Anyone with less brains and real character would have been cut down long before this.

    Look – I voted for the guy, went to a speech, and altogether think he’s getting to the most important issue – the National Question – in a way that would otherwise have been impossible.

    But let’s not kid ourselves. One of the reasons he was impervious to Leftist pieties is that he wasn’t that into politics to know what the approved answers were and what traps were laid. So he went with his instincts about what he thought would appeal to the sort of people possibly open to voting for him. He might be bright but he hadn’t applied that to anything outside of business and marketing for most of his adult life.

    Let’s also be honest in that he got an enormous boost from the media in the primary because they thought they’d tar the entire GOP field with his “racist sexist xenophobia” and sink the eventual nominee who would then have to court Trump’s base. They exceeded their wildest expectations and helped get him the nomination (at which point they went wall-to-wall against him).

  108. @AM
    @KM32


    This brought a shrug. “Maybe it should come down.”
     
    Did you get past this point? It's possible to keep going.

    When the only virtue is equality and slave holding (which was a shockingly universal labor type before the industrial revolution) is now the "duh, how could they do that? It's stupid and evil", unfortunately, there's nothing but a sea of evil hypocrites left in the Founding Fathers. How society is now interacting with itself is being extended into the past.

    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn't stop importing Africans because they couldn't stop killing them. Africans multiplied here, presumably because slaveholders took reasonable care of them.

    Pull out the story of Moses - point out how quite often slavery ends up being a consensual relationship. The people freed from slavery never got the promised land, because in the end they wanted to go back to slavery. You can find interviews of the last American black slaves and they'll say very similar things - slavery was better than the labor arrangements afterwards.

    Bring complexity to the "slavery is bad" narrative. Add the very real complexity of human slavery throughout time. That might help still the SJW instincts in your teenager.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Harry Baldwin, @Neil Templeton

    Interesting post.

    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn’t stop importing Africans because they couldn’t stop killing them.

    Do you have some numbers?

    You can find interviews of the last American black slaves and they’ll say very similar things – slavery was better than the labor arrangements afterwards.

    Can you point us to some sources?

    • Replies: @AM
    @Opinionator


    Do you have some numbers?
     
    This is NPR's take on Brazilian slavery: 4 million imported in 300 years.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/11/12/244563532/photos-reveal-harsh-detail-of-brazils-history-with-slavery

    "Slavery in Brazil lasted for 300 years, and it imported some 4 million Africans to the country."

    PBS - Slaves shipped to America -

    "And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That’s right: a tiny percentage."

    Every African here that didn't voluntarily immigrate came from population of less than 400,000. Pretty impressive.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us/

    Can you point us to some sources?
     
    Black slave interviews were a WPA project. :)

    http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/wpa/wpahome.html

    Replies: @Opinionator

    , @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn’t stop importing Africans because they couldn’t stop killing them.

    Do you have some numbers?
     
    Some numbers:

    The most comprehensive analysis of shipping records over the course of the slave trade is the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, edited by professors David Eltis and David Richardson. (While the editors are careful to say that all of their figures are estimates, I believe that they are the best estimates that we have, the proverbial “gold standard” in the field of the study of the slave trade.) Between 1525 and 1866, in the entire history of the slave trade to the New World, according to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.

    And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That’s right: a tiny percentage.
     
    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us/

    During the Atlantic slave trade era, Brazil imported more African slaves than any other country. An estimated 4.9 million slaves from Africa were brought to Brazil during the period from 1501 to 1866.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Brazil

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  109. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Clyde


    I get your point, as in half of Obama’s ancestry has zero roots in America. But look at the mob that pulled down the Confederate statue. It looked like regular old blacks and whites who do have roots in America. No immigrants or sons of immigrants in that mob,
    * * *
    And sad to say we have youth whose families have been here for a long time. That our colleges have brainwashed into aimless lefties and elevators of gaydom and trans nonsense.
     
    They were students if the reports are correct, and those college towns in the South have attracted previously Northerners to live permanently who are more likely to have been descendants of pre-1920s immigrants.

    The displacement of the founding stock is not just physical and material but moral and cultural - a source of shame rather than pride. You have to prove that you're not tainted by racism.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    The displacement of the founding stock is not just physical and material but moral and cultural – a source of shame rather than pride.

    I’m not sure what you mean by this. Could you explain?

  110. @Doug
    If the neo-nazis wanted to confuse the hell out of everyone, they should go protest in *favor* of pulling down some Andrew Jackson statue somewhere.

    (One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.)

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir, @Abe, @Abe, @Opinionator, @whorefinder

    Do you have a cite to discussion of such plans?

    • Replies: @Doug
    @Opinionator

    https://books.google.com/books?id=bR0ilvFYAHEC&pg=PA21&dq=goebbels+sioux&hl=en&ei=AGhtTYfLEMvc4Aam67S0BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=goebbels%20sioux&f=false

  111. @Anonym
    @Jake

    It would be fun to tear down MLK statues based on his misogyny, especially towards white women, and also as a reprisal against our statues being ISISed. In this era, people might actually learn the rationale, which would have potential to send the left into paroxysms of in-fighting.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2407403/Sex-tapes-FBI-smears-double-life-human-saint-The-Martin-Luther-King-story.html

    Replies: @Barnard

    The pundits who know about King’s infidelity excuse it away, just like they still insist on calling him “Doctor” even though he plagiarized his doctoral thesis. They supported his political aims, so they don’t consider him a moral degenerate. It isn’t that hard to find the truth, every biography of King plus “And the Walls Came Tumbling Down” by Ralph Abernathy have it covered. The response is to attack anyone who even mentions it.

    It is the same with Nelson Mandela. He was a Communist who condoned attacks on civilians, but you are supposed to consider him a paragon of virtue. Here was National Review’s editorial on his death. They admit he opposed everything they claim to stand for, but still consider him the greatest statesman of the 20th Century.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365671/nelson-mandela-rip-editors

    • Replies: @anon
    @Barnard

    King designed his civil rights movement around the concept of non violent, passive resistance. The logistics alone. He was able to literally invert human nature. An impressive feat. Plus, he managed to get himself killed off before it all fell apart.

    However, everything is potentially retconned. So, hell yes. Open season on the perverted pastor.

  112. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Why did Conservatives not oppose ‘gay marriage’?

    The ruling Jewish elites would have been very upset.

    So, we have Conservatives who don’t even have spine to preserve the meaning of marriage.

    IF there was an attempt to bring down Jefferson monuments, how many Conservatives would stand against it?

    It all depends on what their Bosses want.

    Appease the Moment, and that means suck up whoever has the most power now.

    Even though cucks serve the globalist elites, servitude has its own logic.

    For example, suppose all the glob rulers were to die just this minute. Would cucks stop cucking? Or will they still push cuckery because they’ve embraced it as meaning of life and duty?

    Sometimes, servants remain servants-of-the-mind even after the master is gone.

  113. @eD
    Was this dynamic in play during the earlier waves of immigration, such as in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries?

    I'm not buying this. My experience is that the people I have met most "into" IDpol leftism have been WASPs, with their usual opponents being descendants of immigrants from the late nineteenth and early twentieth century wave like myself. The prototypical SJW can trace ancestry in the United States from colonial times, as of course can most African-Americans.

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Your ancestors immigrated early 20th?

  114. Human history suggests that people are naturally prejudiced in favor of their own ancestors, because the accomplishments of their forefathers reflect well upon them. America is increasingly dominated by people with shallow roots in this country. So it’s hardly surprising that they find it insulting to reflect upon what Americans not related to them once accomplished.

    This insightful point by Steve is almost never acknowledged much less discussed even when debates about immigration policy take place in the media.

    There have been tremendous black-white racial problems in America since black Africans were imported as slaves into the American colonies.

    Nevertheless, there is a case to be made that the wave of Eastern European Jewish immigration in the late 19th and into the 20th century will prove to be the most damaging to the viability of the American nation-state over the long term.

    This group is gripped by some sort of inferiority/superiority complex with respect to white founding stock Americans and as they have moved into positions of great influence over American society through the mainstream media, entertainment, law, publishing, school curricula and universities, their own specific group psychological obsessions influence to a large extent how they relate to American society and seem to drive them to search out points of weakness to exploit and use to attack non-Jewish white American civilization.

    There has always been an often-concealed contempt by Jews for the non-Jewish European civilization which arose out of Christendom, and one source of such contempt is undoubtedly the fact that this civilization is founded on a metaphysical belief system based on worshipping and following the teachings of someone who happened to have been a Jew and to them merely a heretic and a hoax.

    Further, as Jews have secularized and rejected their own religious and moral past as so much superstition, all the more contempt do they have for non-Jews with no significant historical or racial connection to Jewish civilization who cling to what they see as superstitions surrounding this one dead Jew.

    That such an easily-fooled, guileless cattle-like people could accomplish what they did in America while the Eastern European Jews were still stewing in the dirty shtetls of Europe is attributed to the oppression of the Czars and other evil anti-Semitic forces.

    In the face of the powerful forces of ethnic and religious identity, it is remarkable how American civilization has managed to assimilate into its people and convert into supporters of the American nation-state people from such different groups, Protestants, Catholics, Huguenots, the wild Celtic fringe, German sectarians, Italians, Slavs, Tejanos and on and on.

    But, setting aside black Africans, the one group which has most refused to assimilate positively to the historic American nation-state and to the contrary has been the most destructive internal force, has been left/liberal/neocon Jews. Their negotiating position ranges from that the historic white American people are evil and their civilization must be destroyed, to the position that there does not even exist an American people and this civilization merely consists of an abstract proposition which happened to land on a territory of magic dirt.

    I suggest that the single most valuable step that could be taken to save the American constitutional republic would be the conversion of that portion of American Jews who are left/liberal/neocon to supporters of the American nation-state. How exactly to accomplish this, I don’t know.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Achilles

    Expect for college, I've been around Jews all my life. It will never happen.

    I've known a lot of Chinese whose families came here in the Gold Rush. They married other Chinese for generations and kept all the holidays and traditions.

    And they are more truly loyal Americans than Jews. Jews generally have nothing good to say about Europe either.

  115. @Lot
    @AM

    --But if you can only think “Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, what about the Jews?"--

    You do know what website this is, right?

    --There is something much larger here than feeling insulted when someone points out the truth about Jewish culture.--

    You think I'd be on this site if antisemitism hurt my feelings?

    --At some point, you need to decide whether your are for Western Civilization or against it.--

    And the way to do that divide whites into philo and antisemite camps by harping on JQ? How has that worked out historically? How is that working out today?

    Replies: @AM, @Opinionator

    Maybe it’s time you grew up and stopped using the phrase “antiSemitism.”

  116. Abe says: • Website
    @Anonym
    BTW it just seems insane that the left would even consider attacking Jefferson. William Jefferson Clinton is named after him - the left are truly eating their own.

    Jefferson is perhaps the coolest founding father. Admittedly, Ben Franklin was amazing too. If they want to build the hatred that is going to enact the Lincoln Plan, then they are going down the right path. Ultimately it will be a good thing. Keep knocking down more statues, lefties! Stoke that hate!

    Replies: @Indiana Jack, @Abe, @Jim Don Bob

    BTW it just seems insane that the left would even consider attacking Jefferson. William Jefferson Clinton is named after him – the left are truly eating their own.

    Jefferson-Jackson Day is the Democratic Party’s biggest annual event, but now the party’s own grassroots is screaming the loudest to unperson both men.

  117. @StillCARealist
    @JerryC

    So are we re-living a French Revolution? I wonder who the new Napolean will be.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Fredrik

    As I stated, I think this movement to destroy white heritage statues/flags is largely a plan by the Powerbroker Left to drive the Right into demonstrations, where the Leftist thugs can assault them and the corporate media can demonize them and blame them for all the violence and their jobs can be taken away via self-deputized “anti-racist police” online who expose their identity.

    But it won’t work. The die is cast, and the Leftists have come up snake eyes.

  118. @dearieme
    WKPD:

    In 1787, Hemings, aged 14, accompanied Jefferson's youngest daughter Mary ("Polly") to London and then to Paris, where the widowed Jefferson, aged 44 at the time, was serving as the United States Minister to France. Hemings spent two years there. It is believed by most historians that Jefferson began a sexual relationship with Hemings in France or soon after their return to Monticello.

    Fourteen? I hadn't known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @syonredux, @Alden, @Alden, @gregor

    Fourteen? I hadn’t known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.

    In the end, that may be his saving grace. The pedo is alternative lifestyle and needs support from SJW. See the high esteem they hold Mohammad in.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @anon

    Rightly or wrongly, sex with a fourteen-year-0ld was quite common in Western countries at the time.

    Moreover, whether it's morally right or wrong, socially and psychologically advisable or not, sex with a 14-year-old is not pedophila because the girl has hit puberty already. So your mention of "the pedo" doesn't apply.

    Nor is there ANY comparison, morally or legally or psychologically, between Jefferson sleeping with a post-pubescent 14-year-old and muhammad raping a Nine-year-old (his "wife" Aiesha).

  119. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    All this talk of ‘minority rights’ is bogus.

    While it’s true that most minorities don’t have much power in the US, the US is NOT ruled by the majority. It is ruled by Jewish and Homo Minority. Jewish and ‘gay’ or Jay Minority Elite rule is what the US is about.

    US is thus about Minority Might, and its target has been Majority Rights.

  120. Abe says: • Website
    @He's Spartacus
    "Destruction of cultural heritage is not a second-rate crime. It's part of an atrocity to erase a people." Mark Ellis - International Bar Association, at an ICC trial dealing with destruction of cultural heritage in the Hague in 2016.
    In the context of this article this guy sounds like a raging white supremacist, but of course he was talking about muslim cultural monuments, so that's different.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Abe

    “Destruction of cultural heritage is not a second-rate crime. It’s part of an atrocity to erase a people.”

    Call it for what it is- ethnic cleansing. Both Popular Front-era Old Left, and even Red Diaper Baby New Left, to an extent, liked to wrap themselves in the warm quilt of Americana, arguing that their revolutionary socialist Trotskyite dialectical agitation was nothing but the continuation of American Revolutionary egalitarianism as embodied in such Founding Fathers as Thomas Paine. It was all a smokescreen, of course, but I honestly do think there was a grain of genuine affection and gratitude towards America’s traditions and founding heroes. Everybody wants a home.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Abe


    “Destruction of cultural heritage is not a second-rate crime. It’s part of an atrocity to erase a people.”
     
    Forgot to say, would even America's worst enemies impose this sort of hateful, cultural obliteration on America's heritage population, were they somehow able to overthrow their defenses and take over? Maybe ISIS or The Norks, but not even in a RED DAWN/MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE scenario could I imagine the conquerors being so spiteful toward the American cultural patrimony.
  121. Abe says: • Website
    @Abe
    @He's Spartacus


    “Destruction of cultural heritage is not a second-rate crime. It’s part of an atrocity to erase a people.”
     
    Call it for what it is- ethnic cleansing. Both Popular Front-era Old Left, and even Red Diaper Baby New Left, to an extent, liked to wrap themselves in the warm quilt of Americana, arguing that their revolutionary socialist Trotskyite dialectical agitation was nothing but the continuation of American Revolutionary egalitarianism as embodied in such Founding Fathers as Thomas Paine. It was all a smokescreen, of course, but I honestly do think there was a grain of genuine affection and gratitude towards America's traditions and founding heroes. Everybody wants a home.

    Replies: @Abe

    “Destruction of cultural heritage is not a second-rate crime. It’s part of an atrocity to erase a people.”

    Forgot to say, would even America’s worst enemies impose this sort of hateful, cultural obliteration on America’s heritage population, were they somehow able to overthrow their defenses and take over? Maybe ISIS or The Norks, but not even in a RED DAWN/MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE scenario could I imagine the conquerors being so spiteful toward the American cultural patrimony.

  122. @KM32
    I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. "So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?"

    This brought a shrug. "Maybe it should come down."

    Replies: @Jake, @27 year old, @AM, @L Woods, @george strong, @e, @Rod1963, @Wilkey, @S. Anonyia, @Ed, @Dave Pinsen

    I hope you’re smart enough not to tell her you are part of the alt_right or you may find yourself out of a job and later getting that knock on the door at 4 AM.

  123. @KM32
    I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. "So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?"

    This brought a shrug. "Maybe it should come down."

    Replies: @Jake, @27 year old, @AM, @L Woods, @george strong, @e, @Rod1963, @Wilkey, @S. Anonyia, @Ed, @Dave Pinsen

    Cutting her off at 18 when her views are still evolving? Bad idea. Cutting her out of the will after a lifetime of stupid political views (and not producing any grandkids)? Terrific idea.

    • Agree: Abe
  124. Abe says: • Website
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @Clyde

    Who are the Durham whites who participated? They are not Southerners, they are the third/fourth generation of the Great Migration out of white ethnic neighborhoods that was engineered after WWII... they come to The University of New Jersey in Durham (Duke) with no roots themselves, despising the locals who are "rednecks" and seek to transform Durham into Williamsburg South, a hipster paradise of craft breweries, start-ups, and local foodie culture...
    It's why the Research Triangle was created, to bring in northerners with STEM degrees... for a lower cost of living than New Jersey you can have an ambiguously designed pile of luxury Sheetrock, go to Target, Soccer practice, watch Netflix... and your kids can LARP a start-up in exposed brick tobacco warehouses while drinking IPAs at a fraction of the cost of San Fran...

    Replies: @Prof. Woland, @Abe

    Who are the Durham whites who participated? They are not Southerners, they are the third/fourth generation of the Great Migration out of white ethnic neighborhoods that was engineered after WWII

    A while back I complimented another poster for a pithy name for this sort of anti-White White Person bigotry- ‘hijacked white body’.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @Abe

    Look, it's not bigotry... these people have no roots and need an identity... I am a white ethnic migrant myself. Boston to Austin via New Jersey... I've been to RTP a lot
    They need an identity and they need to work... so adopting the dominant zeitgeist makes sense, but it is untenable long term. The intellectual incoherence of the "coalition of the fringes" plays out even worse in a neighborhood than in a comments section.
    They will move out of their lofts once kids come or they will stay and demand a crack down on black crime, just like in every gentrified place ever.
    But conversations about reality get banned and learning comes via suffering instead of past experience...

  125. @syonredux
    Here's a somewhat interesting article in the Washington Post by a part-Black relative of Robert E Lee's :

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/08/15/im-black-robert-e-lee-is-my-ancestor-his-statues-cant-come-down-soon-enough/?tid=pm_opinions_pop&utm_term=.ea25c10288f3

    Amidst the SJW talking points, a ray of light:


    As Robert Cvjetanovic, a University of Nevada student who participated in last week’s Charlottesville protests, told his local news: “I do believe that the replacement of the statue will be the slow replacement of white heritage within the U.S. and the people who fought and defended and built their homeland. Robert E. Lee is a great example of that. He wasn’t a perfect man, but I want to honor and respect what he stood for during his time.”
     

    Replies: @epebble

    This is how Kevin Williamson at National Review describes protesters like Cvjetanovic:

    … A Charlottesville protester named Nicholas J. Fuentes, raging against the “rootless transnational elite,” vows: “You will not replace us.” I have reviewed the passenger manifest of the Mayflower, and there is not a single “Fuentes” to be found. Indeed, the rowdier white-power element in Texas, where I live, would very much like to see every man bearing the name “Fuentes” set down on the southerly side of a muddy little river that runs through Laredo. Peter Cvjetanovic, the 20-year-old rage-monkey bellowing in one of the now-famous photos of the tiki-Nazi procession in Virginia, complains: “I’m not the angry racist they see in that photo.” One hopes not: “Cvjetanović” is a Croat name. Not a whole lot of Slavs on the Mayflower, either,

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    and the originators of that swastika flag the angry white boys in Virginia like to fly would have put every Cvjetanović they could lay hands on in a camp, eventually. Benito Mussolini reported that he himself had been impressed by a protest against “Jugo-Slav” immigrants in Italy. Fuentes? Cvjetanović? As Rachel Dolezal knows, white people just ain’t what they used to be. What does an angry white boy really want? “A girlfriend,” comes the mocking answer, and there’s probably more to that than mockery. The proprietor of one of the nation’s premier websites for neo-Nazi knuckleheads advised his colleagues in Charlottesville that, after the protest — which included a murder — “random girls will want to have sex with you.” I ran this proposition past a few random girls, and I suspect that the apfelstrudelführers are going to go home disappointed. There are many shades of white, and Mom’s-basement white is the least popular crayon in the box. Of course we should mock them, criticize them, lament them, and, in the case of James Alex Fields Jr., the trust-funder from Ohio charged in the death of Heather Heyer, prosecute them. What does James Alex Fields Jr. want? A transcript of a 911 call from his mother describes him beating her after she told him to stop playing a particular video game. She is disabled and uses a wheelchair. That wasn’t the only 911 call she made in fear of her son. The angry white boys do not have a serious political agenda. They don’t have any straightforward demands like the Teamsters or PETA do, and they do not have a well-developed ideological position like the Communists do, though it would be inaccurate to say that they lack an ideology entirely. Their agenda is their anger, an anger that is difficult to understand. Middle-class white men in the United States of America in anno Domini 2017 have their problems, to be sure. Life is full of little disappointments. But their motive is not to be found in their exterior circumstances, which are pretty good. Maybe too good: A great many of these young men have an interest in evolutionary psychology and evolutionary sociology — they like to think of themselves as “alpha males,” as though they were living in a chimpanzee troop — but it never occurs to them to consider their own status as rejects and failed men in that context. Online fantasy lives notwithstanding, random girls do not want to have sex with them. How do we know this? Because they are carrying tiki torches in a giant dork parade in Charlottesville. There’s no prom queen waiting at home. If we credit their own sociobiological model, they are the superfluous males who would have been discarded, along with their genetic material, by the pitiless state of nature. The fantasy of proving that they are something else is why they dream of violence and confrontation. They are the products of the soft liberal-democratic society they hold in contempt — and upon which they depend, utterly. James Alex Fields Jr. is angry at the world, and angry at his mother, probably for the same reason. What does an angry white boy want? The fact that they get together to play dress-up — to engage in a large and sometimes murderous game of cowboys and Indians — may give us our answer. They want to be someone other than who they are. That’s the great irony of identity politics: They seek identity in the tribe because they are failed individuals. They are a chain composed exclusively of weak links. What they are engaged in isn’t politics, but theater: play-acting in the hopes of achieving catharsis. Their online personas — knights, Vikings, reincarnations of Charles Martel — will be familiar enough to anybody with a Dungeons and Dragons nerd in his life. But sometimes, role-playing around a card table isn’t enough: Sometimes, you need a stage and an audience. In the theater, actors and audience both can forget ourselves for an hour or two. Under the soft glow of the tiki torches, these angry white boys can be something else — for a night. In the morning, they wake up with the same faces. And there is something in the faces. James Alex Fields Jr. has more than a little whiff of Dylann Roof about him, and we know what Dylann Roof wanted: to murder black people. Sometimes, it is worth taking angry white boys at their word.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450501/white-nationalists-alt-right-vague-grievances-what-do-they-want

    • Replies: @Alden
    @epebble

    Why I stopped reading National Review 25 years ago when it ended advocacy for Whites and turned to fuddy duddy conservatism and worship of the commie wife beater, plagiarist and lecher Michael King

    , @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @epebble

    Wow. So the blind anger of a large group of males should be mocked and dismissed?
    The Return of the Repressed happens and it's always ugly.
    What ass would make this diagnosis and then advocate a solution that guarantees a harsh reaction?
    Sounds like a guy embarrassed of his past who"made it" according to the current rules and wants to make sure that everyone else has to as well...

  126. @Abe
    @Doug


    (One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.)
     
    Yes, I remember this form William Shirer's DECLINE AND FALL OF THE THRID REICH. After FDR made his first forceful denouncement of Germany sometime around 1934/1935, Hitler then slammed America for its mistreatment of the Indians in one of his next speeches to the Reichstag.

    Replies: @Under the Cone of Silence

    One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.

    Germans have a long history of causing trouble for founding-stock Americans. Many of the 48ers who fled the Prussians ended up causing trouble in places like Milwaukee, St. Louis and Cincinnati as labor agitators, Communists, abolitionists, vegetarians, anti-nativists, etc. Many of them volunteered to fight in the Union army against those they saw as opposing these causes. One was Gen. Sherman’s military band leader. I’m sure he conducted a rousing rendition of Battle Hymn of the Republic at the burning of Atlanta.

    Most of these 48ers would be happy with bringing down these Confederate statues so it doesn’t surprise me that their descendants would be too.

  127. You know we’re dealing with our own versions of Maoists now, don’t you?

    Though the Left doesn’t have it’s chairman per se. At it’s head is the MSM, intellectuals, the political and managerial classes. Think of it like a Hydra.

    And they hate the deplorables and want us dead and gone.

    It’s not really complicated, they’ve made it abundantly clear, repeatedly.

    Have you noticed even the GOP is attacking Trump for pointing a finger at the Left for the violence? They are okay with violence against whites and the destruction of our heritage.

    One day it will culminate in the “great Leap Forward” when they come after whitey directly.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Rod1963


    You know we’re dealing with our own versions of Maoists now, don’t you?
     
    In many ways it's fundamentally worse than Maoists. Say what you want about Mao, but never would he have contemplated the idea of replacing the people living in China with outsiders. The madness that is now consuming the USA is escalating to uncharted territory, even the recent South Africa stories of tearing statues down does not compare. In South Africa it was black people targeting white statues, pretty much a standard post colonial practice. In America its like a new civilization forming, something completely alien to the former civilization, even when civilizations like the Byzantines were conquered by the Ottomans, the Ottomans kept many traces of the former alive, I don't see this happening in America its a complete blank slate.
  128. @Jake
    @KM32

    And after they take down Jefferson, they will go after Lincoln. He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa.

    The Revolution never ends.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @for-the-record, @Anonym, @AndrewR

    The inevitable iconoclasm of Lincoln is a major silver lining of our current trajectory.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @AndrewR

    True that.

  129. @Danindc
    @Clyde

    I think the main psychotic female in the mob was Chinese or Philippino- check out the video- she had pigtails- anyway it's a coalition of fringes, obese pathetic beta whites, blacks, other wretched refuse etc

    Steve has retweetd my new favorite twitter follow https://twitter.com/weihanwang4/status/897165799101804544

    Love this guy!

    Replies: @Clyde

    Here are the people arrested for pulling down the Confederate statue.

    Takiya Fatima Thompson, 22
    , was charged Tuesday with two felonies — participation in a riot with property damage in excess of $1,500 and inciting others to riot — and two misdemeanors — disorderly conduct by injury to a statue and damage to property, the sheriff’s office said. She was held on $10,000 bond.
    On Wednesday, Dante Emmanuel Strobino, 35, Ngoc Loan Tran, 24, and Peter Gull Gilbert, 39, were arrested on the same charges, the sheriff’s office said. Additional arrests are expected, the office said.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/confederate-statue-pulled-down-north-carolina-trnd/index.html

    Takiya Fatima Thompson — photo of her at the above source. She climbed the ladder and attached the rope to pull it down.

    Communist Party Member Arrested for Confederate Statue Vandalism in Durham
    Deputies arrested a 22-year-old member of the far-left communist Workers World Party on Tuesday, Aug. 15, and charged her with vandalism for toppling a Confederate statue in Durham on Monday, Fox News reported.
    Takiya Fatima Thompson was seen bringing a ladder up to the Confederate Soldiers Monument in front of old courthouse as a crowd of rioters cheered. She then tied a rope around the nearly century-old statue to help topple it.
    Several rioters then proceeded to kick and stomp the downed bronze statue, which depicts a soldier with a rifle. The work was commissioned in 1929.

  130. The article descends into the usual anti-Jewish screed fairly quickly.

    However, I was confused by the implications toward the end – are you saying that there are no successful Jewish real estate agents and architects? That doesn’t sound right.

    For example, the modern shopping mall was designed by Victor Gruen in 1956.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Beene

    Yeah, I really feel as if Steve whiffed the ball on this one. Landscape architecture is thought of by most people as not exactly central to our civilization (and golf course architecture an even more minor subspecialty). I can name Olmstead and Vaux and that's it. I suppose (though I don't really know) that it's a WASP dominated field but so what? Who cares?

    Real estate development as being WASPish - I don't think so. In the last century many major real estate developers have been Jewish. Trump was unusual in NY as one of the few major developers who was NOT Jewish.

    This weeks frenzy seems to be mainly about statues. No one has gone after WASP designed parks or landscapes (at least not yet). Erdeley is thoroughly discredited and even before she was, no one really picked up on or cared about her insane ravings about Jeffersonian landscape architecture or campus design.

    Steve often hits the ball right on the head - he gets it when the main stream media is completely (and in most cases intentionally) clueless. But not this time - the imaginary world that he creates in this article bears no more resemblance to the real world than the typical NY Times article. And that's saying something.

    I assume that Steve has to write for Taki on deadline and that he gets paid for it (I'm sure he could use the income since he is blacklisted from any mainstream media employment, even by "respectable" right wing journals) so he can be forgiven if not every Taki article is a masterpiece. This one falls in his bottom 10%.

    Replies: @Beenee, @Lot

  131. @Polynikes
    @Jake

    I can't wait for them to come after the holy Republican Lincoln. So far, all the Paul Ryan RINOs have done is gravel at the feet of anyone screaming "racist."

    But Lincoln is their holy grail of founding fathers. He "freed the slaves" and thus can't be racist! We'll see if his like Ryan have any backbone when they come for Lincoln or if it just corporate donations all the way down.

    Replies: @Jake, @AndrewR

    Who can imagine Paul Ryan doing anything resembling courage? Not I.

  132. @StillCARealist
    @JerryC

    So are we re-living a French Revolution? I wonder who the new Napolean will be.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @Fredrik

    Zuckerberg?

    I have a dark horse though. It’s Jeff Bezos. Amazon has not so quietly been transforming retail the last few years. Now that the president is tweeting about Amazon it could actually give Bezos another platform(apart from Washington Post).

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/897763049226084352

  133. @Abe
    @Lot


    Paleos organized around talk radio, right wing websites, and the Tea Party killed Bush’s and Obama’s amnesty bills.
     
    And constitutional law "professor" Obama then steamrolled them anyway by using the bill's demise as justification to not enforce existing immigration laws and issue all sorts of documents and permits and privileges to illegals in general and 'Dreamers' in particular ('We can't not put Dreamers on the fast-track to citizenship! Why, it was Dreamers who turned the tide at Lexington & Concord')

    As you say, MSM Fake News, should it even deign to acknowledge the existence of paleo arguments and speakers, would then swamp whatever was said in a flood of lies and half-truths and distortions, leaving the gentlemanly paleo sputtering and begging for a chance to speak that never comes, like Romney was at that debate where Candy(gobbler) Crowley all of a sudden decided to fact-check him.

    Let me use a parable, since you are from San Fran and I was once a native too. After many bitter harvests since moving to California, the Giants had the best run of fortune of any MLB team this century, winning 3 World Series in 4 years. Yet whenever I hung out on a Giants fan message board, all the weak-kneed, no-heart fans there could go on about was how stressful winning it all was, and how their delicate little systems could not stomach anything less a 4-consecutive blowout Giants sweep. And if I am truly honest with myself, I was not much better than those fans.

    The point being, that if Trump has not improved you as a man, you really have not been paying attention. Trump pulled off the greatest upset in Presidential history, yet to road to the White House was anything but smooth, orderly, and dignified. And if we have any hope of saving this country and its traditions we have to learn the have the self-confidence, thick skin, and will of Trump, and not be afraid to look boorish, loud-mouthed, and uncouth sometimes, or succumb to the urge to run to the nearest corner to curl up and die the next time we are 'embarrassed'. A regular gentleman, polished, nice paleocon would have died the death of a thousand comedy-news snarks by now. Trump is out there fighting the good fight and he is doing it completely alone. Truly the most Olympian figure of our age.

    Replies: @Rod1963

    Trump is indeed a Olympian

    No politician would have done what he did yesterday that is to stand up to the agit-prop press and condemn those SOB’s. In fact his own party attacked him. CEO’s are busy virtue signalling, etc.

    People should be praising him because he’s the only one trying to keep this from becoming a civil war. No one else is. The alt-right thinks it’s just a reason to be snarky and the party will continue on for many decades to come.

  134. @KM32
    I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. "So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?"

    This brought a shrug. "Maybe it should come down."

    Replies: @Jake, @27 year old, @AM, @L Woods, @george strong, @e, @Rod1963, @Wilkey, @S. Anonyia, @Ed, @Dave Pinsen

    Does your kid have a job? Make them go work in a restaurant. That is the quickest way to impress reality on a teenager. Guarantee you the SJW mentality will disappear fast. They may stay liberal but they will not be a SJW.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @S. Anonyia

    "Does your kid have a job? Make them go work in a restaurant. That is the quickest way to impress reality on a teenager."

    A job in motel housekeeping will do it even faster.

  135. Hamilton’s DNA would provide definitive proof of his Jewish or gentile biology. Is it available to test?

    How many other such questions of fact could be identified and resolved without all the handwringing and caterwauling?

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Off The Street

    I've read that Hamilton's descendants were tested and showed no connection to the Scottish Hamiltons, which presumably means that his putative father was not his biological father.

  136. OT: Game of Thrones Season 7 Episode 6 leaked early thanks to HBO’s own incompetence. Major major fucking spoilers. Sigh. Can we ever get a GoT post Steve, assuming you uh watch the show?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Yan Shen

    I don't have cable TV so I don't watch Game of Thrones.

    If you still need an opinion from me: I have heard it's good.

    Replies: @Abe, @theo the kraut

  137. Baltimore Removes Confederate Statues; Mayor Cites Public Safety
    NY Times http://tinyurl.com/y9r49u2u
    Lotsa good photos

    BALTIMORE — The mayor said Wednesday that she was acting in the “best interest of my city” when she ordered the removal overnight of statues dedicated to Confederate heroes, just days after violence broke out over efforts to take down a similar monument in neighboring Virginia.

    At a news conference on Wednesday, Mayor Catherine Pugh said that given the current political climate, it was important to move “quickly and quietly” as a matter of public safety.

    “The mayor has the right to protect her city,” Ms Pugh said later in an interview. “For me, the statues represented pain, and not only did I want to protect my city from any more of that pain, I also wanted to protect my city from any of the violence that was occurring around the nation. We don’t need that in Baltimore.”

    Beginning shortly after midnight on Wednesday, a crew, which included a large crane and a contingent of police officers, began making rounds of the city’s parks and public squares, removing the monuments from their pedestals and carting them away.

    ****a total lie about public safety. Chalk this up to a nitwit black mayor grubbing for votes, might as well be Detroit or Lagos Nigeria.

  138. @Yan Shen
    OT: Game of Thrones Season 7 Episode 6 leaked early thanks to HBO's own incompetence. Major major fucking spoilers. Sigh. Can we ever get a GoT post Steve, assuming you uh watch the show?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I don’t have cable TV so I don’t watch Game of Thrones.

    If you still need an opinion from me: I have heard it’s good.

    • Replies: @Abe
    @Steve Sailer


    I don’t have cable TV so I don’t watch Game of Thrones.
     
    Perhaps your library has discs you could borrow? Certainly it would have the novels, but I would recommend watching the HBO series before reading the books, so that all the changes they made from the source don't drive you crazy as you watch.

    Here is my take: the writer (George RR Martin) may not be any sort of card-carrying political conservative, but he is certainly conservative by temperament, as his books demonstrate an obvious love of European history, great battles, and traditionally masculine men who create social order out of chaos, preferably with a modicum of honor and justice.

    Thing is, after turning out 3 great novels in a pretty short span, health, bad work habits, and maybe writer's block caught up with Martin, and so the time between subsequent novels has grown geometrically while their quality has plummeted. Smart money is unfortunately on Martin dying before he finishes the series, so to wrap up the show he's been feeding scraps to HBO's two twig boy executive producers, who have gone out of their way to 'yass, my queen'-up the show, setting things up so that the finale is a showdown between 4 women-run factions. They even inserted a silly go-girl! type throwaway line about men so screwing up things that it was time the women took charge.

    Unfortunately, the crooked arc of history went way gnarly for HBO in 2016, so not sure how close they stick to this plan now. But in your search for celebrities with secret conservative sensibilities like supposedly Tina Fey (gag), well, Martin is the real deal. Indeed it is laugh-out-loud funny that the show runners would construe his books as in any way pro-feminist. Queen Cersei is one of the proudly-'nasty women' in charge in the final season. Yet in the novels (and basically in the TV show as well) she is the poster girl for why you don't hand the reins of power over to a woman. After her Dick Cheney-like father bequeaths her the kingdom in a state of absolute strength for her house, she manages to catastrophically screw things up in less than a year after half a dozen misguided own-goal type decisions. As if to rub salt in the wound and show his contempt for feminist sensibility, Martin even goes so far as to have her stripped naked and marched through the city, which the supposedly pro-feminist show does not shy from reenacting in full lascivious detail.

    , @theo the kraut
    @Steve Sailer

    Streaming is sketchy sometimes, also, moral issues...
    https://gostream.is/film/game-of-thrones-season-1-1620.uwMm

  139. @Lot
    @Desiderius

    I agree it was fake news, but fake news just doesn't make itself up. The MSM has always needed a go-to patsy to feed its desire for "Nazis are coming" articles. Spencer is simply a lot better at it than, say, David Duke or that guy in Indiana. He is a Nazi version of Luke Sissyfag.

    Replies: @AM

    The MSM has always needed a go-to patsy to feed its desire for “Nazis are coming” articles.

    Correct. The Jewish dominated media can do nothing but play out it’s deep seated fears during it’s working hours.

    Therefore the right cannot have anything put “perfect” demonstrations lest the media go ape. One loser Nazi LARPer is enough to ruin it all. But Antifata can show up literally looking like ISIS and with baseball bats and it’s fine. Because leftist movements have never on turned Jews.

    sigh Y’all really are under God’s protection. But in the end, the opinions offered, if they not tempered with a willingness to go outside your natural POV, are not helpful. “Be perfect because the media has several deep seated neurosis” is not actually a real option. It means we get steamrollered.

  140. @Charles Pewitt
    President Trump has been horribly attacked by the Jewish-controlled corporate media in the United States. President Trump has been viciously attacked by the GOP ruling class rats such as Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Jeff Flake and others.

    CNN, Comcast, CBS and other corporate media is owned and controlled by Jews. There is no debate about that. Jewish influence in the corporate media must be made a routine political issue to discuss in political campaigns. United States national security demands it.

    The question as to who actually controls the corporate media in the United States is a vital one. The same Globalizer creatures who own the corporate media are the same ones who have bought and paid for the politician whores attacking President Trump. White Core Americans have no other choice but to defend and protect President Trump.

    President Trump has a fine sense of fair play. President Trump only attacks those who attack him. For better or for worse, President Trump is the representative for the ancestral core of the United States. Attorney General Jeff Sessions could tell you that it is not easy, sometimes, to be President Trump's friend. But I know that you don't want to be President Trump's enemy. President Trump must fight the corporate media and the rats in the GOP ruling class. President Trump must let the Democrat bastards know that they will suffer for their nasty attacks on regular Americans who support free speech.

    Replies: @snorlax

    Suppose, as a thought experiment, that all the Jews in the media got religion simultaneously and moved to Israel. Would CNN’s programming be substantially altered under the interim leadership of Fareed Zakaria or Jim Acosta or perhaps the preposterously-WASPy Anderson Hays Cooper?

    Cooper was born in New York City, the younger son of the writer Wyatt Emory Cooper and the artist, fashion designer, writer, and heiress Gloria Vanderbilt. His maternal grandparents were millionaire equestrian Reginald Claypoole Vanderbilt and socialite Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt, and his maternal great-great-great-grandfather was business magnate Cornelius Vanderbilt, of the prominent Vanderbilt shipping and railroad fortune.[4] He is also a descendant, through his mother, of Civil War brevet Major General Hugh Judson Kilpatrick, who was with General William T. Sherman on his march through Georgia. Through his “Vanderbilt” line, he is a second cousin, once removed, of screenwriter James Vanderbilt.

  141. @Doug
    If the neo-nazis wanted to confuse the hell out of everyone, they should go protest in *favor* of pulling down some Andrew Jackson statue somewhere.

    (One of those little nuggets of weird history, but Hitler and most of the Nazi high command were really passionate about Native American rights. Even going so far to draw up tentative plans to return large chunks of North America to the indigenous people.)

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir, @Abe, @Abe, @Opinionator, @whorefinder

    Well, it was likely related to demonizing England and America.

    In the 19th Century much of Germany was enthralled by American “frontier” novels (Cooper’s works were a big hit), and in the 20th Century up to that point Germans really loved Westerns. Germans always enjoyed the rustic-pioneer America and celebrated it. Plus Germanic unification movements were inspired a lot from the American revolution.

    So Hitler was trying to turn them against that, perceiving America and its English forbearers to be his next enemy. ake their take over of North America appear grossly unfair and exploitative instead of rousing and praise-worthy, and get people to turn against them.

  142. @KM32
    I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. "So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?"

    This brought a shrug. "Maybe it should come down."

    Replies: @Jake, @27 year old, @AM, @L Woods, @george strong, @e, @Rod1963, @Wilkey, @S. Anonyia, @Ed, @Dave Pinsen

    This is how we got gay marriage, shrugs. Kids are not being raised with a sense of tradition or pride, just consumption of mass culture. This period of affluence better hold up or all heck is going to break loose.

  143. OT: I was going to suggest that with Cohn’s waning influence Trump could appoint the first goy Fed Chair, but it was done evidently, there have been a few it seems.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/16/as-disgusted-gary-cohn-fails-donald-trump-disbands-his-ceo-council/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McChesney_Martin

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_Federal_Reserve

    It’s pretty cool to see Trump’s nuts kind of drop over the last few days, what with his attack on Anti-white Action (Antiwa), lukewarm defense of the white protesters with permits and disbanding this council. We’ll see how long it lasts but this sort of action will help to ensure reelection IMO. I get the feeling that Trump likes being in the oval office for power and ego reasons even more than building his business. Which is cool if he governs wisely.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Anonym

    President Trump has my support if he selects another Jew for the position of Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank. But only if it is Peter Schiff.

    Schiff would immediately raise the federal funds rate to 25 percent. Paul Volcker raised it to above 20 percent in 1981. Schiff would have to top him by going to 25 percent. The asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate would pop in two days.

  144. @KM32
    @27 year old

    The kid has gone full communist, and yeah, I'd like to say fine, ask the government for money then. Oh, and it would probably be best if you moved out when you're eighteen so I don't have to listen to you endlessly going on about white men, cis-privilege, and other crap.

    But try telling a warm-hearted, loving mother than you're going to cut off your kid for bad political views, and see how well it goes over.

    Replies: @Lot, @Kylie, @Desiderius, @27 year old, @Ed

    Wouldn’t worry too much kids tend to come back to the values that they were raised with when they leave th nest. Working in an environment with surly blacks or getting mugged by them tends to Right the ship. Then there’s marriage. Majority of married white women are conservative.

  145. Hamilton was a Yiddle? New one on me. According to Wiki although he was not known to have owned slaves, his family owned slaves. So–guilt by association. Wonder if The Coalition has gotten the word yet.

  146. @Lot
    @L Woods

    You could be right there. Trump's personal qualities appear to be discrediting paleoconservatism generally.

    Replies: @Abe, @Jack Hanson

    White youth leans 75-80% Trump but yet here you are to blackpill.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Jack Hanson

    I think you are referring to middle and high school mock elections.

    There is evidence than Gen Y and older Zs are more personally conservative than X. They smoke, drink, do drugs and fornicate at much lower rates than before. When they marry, they are less likely to divorce. They are also averse to debt and speculation. In other words theie social liberalism is in theory rather than practice.

    I am not aware of any evidence this is reflected in voting. California Chinese combine personal conservatism with left wing voting.

    Marriage and church attendance correlate with GOP voting, and there is not much of either for those below 30 compared to in the past.

  147. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    We are told that us-vs-them and tribalism are wrong, but at the micro-social level, isn’t everything in America organized around ‘tribalism’?

    After all, AIPAC doesn’t represent all groups, especially Palestinian-Americans and White Patriots.

    BLM is totally about identity grievance.

    And MSM has been stirring up hatred against Russia, Iran, Syria, North Korea, forever. Some of these nations are awful, but they didn’t begin the ‘new cold war’.

    Also, isn’t school about tribalism? Cheer for our school against their school. Be True to Your School.

    And capitalism is econo-tribalist. If you join a company, you have to give your all to work and ‘fight’ for that company to crush other companies. Did Walmart try to HELP OUT K-mart as it slipped. Does Amazon try to help out Best Buy and Borders Books that got decimated by online shopping. (I do miss Tower Records.)

    If someone working at Google has a great idea, does he(in the name of fair play and ‘spirit of sharing’) go to Apple, Facebook, or Microsoft to share the idea? No, he better keep it secret within the company that will file patents and etc.

    And entire sectors will raid and destroy other sectors for more profits for ‘our team’. Wall Street will destroy Manufacturing in Middle America with globalism if it means more super-profits for finance sector.

    Globalism just replaced one kind of tribalism — ethno-nationalst and civic-nationalist — with another kind. It’s a more fluid kind of tribalism where one’s primary loyalty is to business/company, social status, political culture, ideology(for intellectuals or bottom feeding antifa), but it’s about us-versus-them just the same.

    For businesses, their mode of tribalism is Profitalism. Anything to boost our side and destroy competitors for more profits. Gekko the profitalist.

    For ideologues, their mode is Signalism, or ‘virtue-signalism’ where each group compete in singaling to demonstrate it is MORE virtuous.

    For the idolatrous, their mode is celebrals, mostly about cheering for one’s Idols above all others. Even gets deadly in rap culture with followers of one rapper shooting it out with followers of another rapper.

    Idolatry is important. It is why Wasps are vulnerable in UK and US. They have restrained style, and this makes them apologetic(in UK) and reserved(in the US). It doesn’t do much for Idolatry. Even though Wasps are many times richer than blacks, the latter have more idolatrous power, and not only because of sports and music. It’s their expressive style in the Current Culture that favors ‘extreme’ and ‘outrageous’. And of course, homos have lots of idolatrous power. Milo is a sleazo but his new book has a chapter on how wild, badass, and cool the homos are in their ‘transgression’.
    This scene reminds me of Milo.

    Globalism created a bigger playing field all around the world, but paradoxically, it has created many more micro-tribalisms, and not just in 50 genders madness.

    Consider the economics. There was a time when American Steel meant unity of American owners, American government as regulator, and American workers and their union.
    Now, businesses are fractured because no company has to be loyal to any community, city, or community. It plays the whole world. Only blacks and some browns get some assurances by quota system. Everyone else better scramble hard, and if they end up in any organization or company, he better work his ass for it as there is no bigger meaningful identity or group, esp if white.

  148. @tyrone
    this kind of thing usually happens after the violent revolution…….we've been cheated out of civil war.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    we’ve been cheated out of civil war

    Stick around.

  149. @Dr. X

    Why the ever-increasing hatred for America’s past?
     
    Why, indeed?

    America is increasingly dominated by people with shallow roots in this country. So it’s hardly surprising that they find it insulting to reflect upon what Americans not related to them once accomplished.
     
    Well, that may be one reason, but I don't think it's the best explanation. The U.S. assimilated large numbers of Irish, Italians, and Poles with "shallow roots" when Ellis Island was open, and those people embraced the likes of Washington and Jefferson as their own. I am "not related" to any of the Founders -- my lineage is Eastern European. But I find myself constantly reflecting on how brilliant they were.

    No, I think the best explanation for the present America-hate is the one given by Nietzsche -- it's the politics of ressentiment, or resentment.

    Nietzsche drew a distinction between "master-morality" and "slave-morality." "A living thing," wrote Nietzsche, "seeks to exert its strength." People of superior intellect, strength, creativity and willpower create nations and make history. They define morality in their own image, for they are the masters.

    The weak, the stupid, and the losers embrace slave morality -- that is, they resent and object to anything that the masters create. It is based upon envy and the knowledge that they are inferior.

    Nietzsche argued that Jews and feminists were the primary transmitters of slave morality. The only way they could exert power was to gin up resentment, envy and hate to bring down the intelligent, the creative, and the powerful.

    And that's EXACTLY what we see happening today. Who are the "antifa," tearing down statues of great men, but a collection of self-loathing freaks? Fat, tattooed women with purple hair, "transgenders," 80-IQ blacks, scrawny beta-cucks and gays, and neckbeards with dark-rimmed "smart" glasses on college campuses. They're incited by the ideas of Jewish Frankfurt School academics and Jewish feminists like Susan Sontag and Shulamith Firestone, which are now 100% mainstream in intellectual circles. They hate America and hate its Founders because they every time they look in the mirror know damn well they are incapable of matching up to a Jefferson, a Washington, a Lee, an Edison, a Ford, a Carnegie, a Wright or a Yeager.

    The hatred is based on envy and the knowledge of one's inferiority when standing in the shadows of giants.

    Replies: @Mark Caplan, @Dmitry134564

    Nietzsche argued that Jews and feminists were the primary transmitters of slave morality.

    is that right? I know Nietzsche held up Christianity as the quintisential example of slave morality. Judaism doesn’t have turn the other cheek, resist not evil in it’s doctrine.

    • Replies: @AM
    @Mark Caplan


    is that right? I know Nietzsche held up Christianity as the quintisential example of slave morality. Judaism doesn’t have turn the other cheek, resist not evil in it’s doctrine.
     
    You are correct as far as I know. Nietzsche, however, was not. Christ was a subversive in his day. Taken in context "resist not evil" is something more like "hoist them on their own petard"

    He did correctly observe however, that the first devout adherents of Christianity were slaves. He just failed to note all the kick butt Christian soldiers and martyrs that would come after the first wave.

    It's totally funny that Nietzsche, a guy on a rudimentary old age pension and would die young and in relative suicidal angsty-angst thought that Christianity made you slave.
    , @Lot
    @Mark Caplan

    No, it is not right.

    , @Dr. X
    @Mark Caplan


    is that right? I know Nietzsche held up Christianity as the quintisential example of slave morality. Judaism doesn’t have turn the other cheek, resist not evil in it’s doctrine.
     
    From Beyond Good and Evil:

    "The Jews have brought off that miraculous feat of an inversion of values, thanks to which life on earth has acquired a novel and dangerous attraction for a couple of millennia. … Their prophets…were the first to use the word ‘world’ as a term of contempt. This inversion of values…constitutes the significance of the Jewish people: they mark the beginning of the slave rebellion in morals."

    "Let us briefly consider the greatest example. Everything on earth which has been done against “the noble,” “the powerful,” “the masters,” “the rulers” is not worth mentioning in comparison with what the Jews have done against them: the Jews, that priestly people, who knew how to get final satisfaction from their enemies and conquerors through a radical transformation of their values, that is, through an act of the most spiritual revenge. This was appropriate only to a priestly people with the most deeply repressed priestly desire for revenge. In opposition to the aristocratic value equations (good = noble = powerful = beautiful = fortunate = loved by god), the Jews, with an awe-inspiring consistency, dared to reverse things and to hang on to that with the teeth of the most profound hatred (the hatred of the powerless), that is, to “only those who suffer are good; the poor, the powerless, the low are the only good people; the suffering, those in need, the sick, the ugly are also the only pious people; only they are blessed by God; for them alone there is salvation."

    A lot of people who think they know Nietzsche have never read him...

    Replies: @Dmitry134564

  150. The rebel statues in the South were always an anomaly in that they celebrated men who were, unlike Washington and Jefferson were abject failures. Its more surprising that the fruits of the early 20th century Conferedate revanchist project was tolerated for so long. Perhaps its a generational thing: as the WW2 generation dies off, toleration for fascism is creeping back, so too the natural attrition of Civil War vets opened the door for these monuments to be errected.

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @Marky

    Standing up for yourself isn't abject failure, even when you are beaten.

    , @anon
    @Marky

    The thing about war is that the winners get over it pretty quickly, but the losers ... not so much.

    The North was building a transcontinental railroad, polishing off the Indians, promoting homesteading, filling up the vast flyover country, industrializing, and making money.

    The South was left with wreckage and worse. Whites with the means to leave migrated to Texas and beyond. Cotton collapsed. Agriculture was in the early stages of its permanent decline in economic importance. It had nothing going for it and was filled with former slaves.

    Regardless ... after WW 1, there was an attempt to reframe it as a debate between Lee and Lincoln -- the 'Lost Cause' argument. As far as global principles, the right to self determination frequently conflicts with national sovereignty. So ... it could be framed as a reasonable disagreement that was settled. After all, we were able to rehab the Germans and Japanese within a couple of years after the end of WW 2 after only hanging a handful of generals.

    Most of this was simply wishful thinking on the part of Southerners. But the book and movie, Gone With the Wind was the popular culture version and it had an audience.

    The original batch of statues was ignored by the North. Lee became a huge figure in the Lost Cause. You had two anguished men. Lincoln. Who really, really didn't want to have to commit was was clearly a War atrocity during Sherman's march. And is never really portrayed as doing anything but agonizing over history and wringing his hands. Who is evenly matched with Lee who never wanted to be a Rebel, but was so patriotic that it was just a matter of the slightest nuance that he ended up leading the Rebellion rather than the Union Army. What with his ties to Virginia being slightly stronger than his loyalty to the United States. In this version, no one wanted war. War being hell and all. It was just ... stuff. Like tariffs. And if these really smart, moral, great guys were forced to do bad stuff against their will ... then everyone else ... had no choice.

    I suppose the Lost Cause took a fatal bullet during the civil rights movement, but the real significance of Lee is that he was the symbolic leader of a historical period that saw the South trying to move past its history.

    But once you remove Lee, then Lincoln the Myth doesn't make much sense. He was just another lawyer. The first things he did are exactly what Trump was accused of doing. Jailed political opponents. Tossed out basic constitutional rights. Blundered into an absurdly bloody and costly war with virtually total cluelessness. Or however you want to view him. No one really looks all that innocent after a lengthy, bloody war.

  151. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Barnard
    @Anonym

    The pundits who know about King's infidelity excuse it away, just like they still insist on calling him "Doctor" even though he plagiarized his doctoral thesis. They supported his political aims, so they don't consider him a moral degenerate. It isn't that hard to find the truth, every biography of King plus "And the Walls Came Tumbling Down" by Ralph Abernathy have it covered. The response is to attack anyone who even mentions it.

    It is the same with Nelson Mandela. He was a Communist who condoned attacks on civilians, but you are supposed to consider him a paragon of virtue. Here was National Review's editorial on his death. They admit he opposed everything they claim to stand for, but still consider him the greatest statesman of the 20th Century.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365671/nelson-mandela-rip-editors

    Replies: @anon

    King designed his civil rights movement around the concept of non violent, passive resistance. The logistics alone. He was able to literally invert human nature. An impressive feat. Plus, he managed to get himself killed off before it all fell apart.

    However, everything is potentially retconned. So, hell yes. Open season on the perverted pastor.

  152. @Mark Caplan
    @Dr. X


    Nietzsche argued that Jews and feminists were the primary transmitters of slave morality.
     
    is that right? I know Nietzsche held up Christianity as the quintisential example of slave morality. Judaism doesn't have turn the other cheek, resist not evil in it's doctrine.

    Replies: @AM, @Lot, @Dr. X

    is that right? I know Nietzsche held up Christianity as the quintisential example of slave morality. Judaism doesn’t have turn the other cheek, resist not evil in it’s doctrine.

    You are correct as far as I know. Nietzsche, however, was not. Christ was a subversive in his day. Taken in context “resist not evil” is something more like “hoist them on their own petard”

    He did correctly observe however, that the first devout adherents of Christianity were slaves. He just failed to note all the kick butt Christian soldiers and martyrs that would come after the first wave.

    It’s totally funny that Nietzsche, a guy on a rudimentary old age pension and would die young and in relative suicidal angsty-angst thought that Christianity made you slave.

  153. @Marky
    The rebel statues in the South were always an anomaly in that they celebrated men who were, unlike Washington and Jefferson were abject failures. Its more surprising that the fruits of the early 20th century Conferedate revanchist project was tolerated for so long. Perhaps its a generational thing: as the WW2 generation dies off, toleration for fascism is creeping back, so too the natural attrition of Civil War vets opened the door for these monuments to be errected.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @anon

    Standing up for yourself isn’t abject failure, even when you are beaten.

  154. @Steve Sailer
    @Yan Shen

    I don't have cable TV so I don't watch Game of Thrones.

    If you still need an opinion from me: I have heard it's good.

    Replies: @Abe, @theo the kraut

    I don’t have cable TV so I don’t watch Game of Thrones.

    Perhaps your library has discs you could borrow? Certainly it would have the novels, but I would recommend watching the HBO series before reading the books, so that all the changes they made from the source don’t drive you crazy as you watch.

    Here is my take: the writer (George RR Martin) may not be any sort of card-carrying political conservative, but he is certainly conservative by temperament, as his books demonstrate an obvious love of European history, great battles, and traditionally masculine men who create social order out of chaos, preferably with a modicum of honor and justice.

    Thing is, after turning out 3 great novels in a pretty short span, health, bad work habits, and maybe writer’s block caught up with Martin, and so the time between subsequent novels has grown geometrically while their quality has plummeted. Smart money is unfortunately on Martin dying before he finishes the series, so to wrap up the show he’s been feeding scraps to HBO’s two twig boy executive producers, who have gone out of their way to ‘yass, my queen’-up the show, setting things up so that the finale is a showdown between 4 women-run factions. They even inserted a silly go-girl! type throwaway line about men so screwing up things that it was time the women took charge.

    Unfortunately, the crooked arc of history went way gnarly for HBO in 2016, so not sure how close they stick to this plan now. But in your search for celebrities with secret conservative sensibilities like supposedly Tina Fey (gag), well, Martin is the real deal. Indeed it is laugh-out-loud funny that the show runners would construe his books as in any way pro-feminist. Queen Cersei is one of the proudly-‘nasty women’ in charge in the final season. Yet in the novels (and basically in the TV show as well) she is the poster girl for why you don’t hand the reins of power over to a woman. After her Dick Cheney-like father bequeaths her the kingdom in a state of absolute strength for her house, she manages to catastrophically screw things up in less than a year after half a dozen misguided own-goal type decisions. As if to rub salt in the wound and show his contempt for feminist sensibility, Martin even goes so far as to have her stripped naked and marched through the city, which the supposedly pro-feminist show does not shy from reenacting in full lascivious detail.

  155. @Jack Hanson
    @Lot

    White youth leans 75-80% Trump but yet here you are to blackpill.

    Replies: @Lot

    I think you are referring to middle and high school mock elections.

    There is evidence than Gen Y and older Zs are more personally conservative than X. They smoke, drink, do drugs and fornicate at much lower rates than before. When they marry, they are less likely to divorce. They are also averse to debt and speculation. In other words theie social liberalism is in theory rather than practice.

    I am not aware of any evidence this is reflected in voting. California Chinese combine personal conservatism with left wing voting.

    Marriage and church attendance correlate with GOP voting, and there is not much of either for those below 30 compared to in the past.

    • Agree: Kevin C.
  156. @Mark Caplan
    @Dr. X


    Nietzsche argued that Jews and feminists were the primary transmitters of slave morality.
     
    is that right? I know Nietzsche held up Christianity as the quintisential example of slave morality. Judaism doesn't have turn the other cheek, resist not evil in it's doctrine.

    Replies: @AM, @Lot, @Dr. X

    No, it is not right.

  157. Another thought provoking article. Well done.

    A recent topic of iSteve discourse has been the question of whether there are O’Brien or Mustapha Mond-type figures within the elite who know who they are or what they’re doing or whether they are as vapid inside as they are on the surface. The retconning of the past and the bizarre revisions we are seeing of history (e.g. Andrew Jackson – bad, Alexander Hamilton – good) leave me asking whether it is possible that, like the Inner Party in 1984 or the Alpha Double Plus caste in Brave New World, the elites really are string pullers who are beholding the mischief they’ve wrought and feeling satisfied that its all going to plan. My own instinctive answer is almost precisely halfway between an unqualified yes and an unqualified no. Consider the following:

    1. There’s clearly been a paradigm shift in the “equality” and “social justice” agendas. In addition to generally becoming madder and more unhinged, which is more or less par for the course, a bizarre pattern seems to be emerging (which has been amply chronicled on this blog) whereby the more historically remote any real legal and institutional impediments to the advancement of women and non-whites becomes, the more embarrassing it has become to them and their sponsors that the principal indices of high status and achievement are still dominated by white males. This, almost by definition, requires hard-boiled equality ideologues to spin ever more bizarre and unbalanced yarns to explain why their utopia has yet to arrive.

    2. One of these manifestations has been an increasing resentment of the fact that the history of civilisationally consequential achievement has been so predominantly white and male. In an atmosphere in which there was a broader expectation that the future would differ from the past, this resentment could never reach fever pitch but the last 20 years have been sufficiently disappointing that it represents quite a predictable traumatic response. Equally predictable is that a predominantly white and male establishment would seek to:

    (a) point that resentment in sterile directions that will not harm it; and

    (b) use it to advance its own agenda where possible.

    3. As the SJWs go from asking questions which are respectably current or prospective such as why there aren’t more black CEOs or women coders, to why nothing has been written about the women who signed the Declaration of Independence or the Africans who invented penicillin, the establishment seems, at least on some level, to have concluded that indulging the appetite for “diversity” porn is safer to pursue in the theatres of history (i.e. stuff that happened in the past), celluloid (i.e. stuff that never happened at all) and the social science faculties (stuff that happens outside the real world) than in something like business, finance or systems science research:

    (a) which is real and current;

    (b) which matters a whole lot; and

    (c) in which the consequences of “diversity”-induced screw ups are enormous and reverberative (#OscarsSoWhite may be irritating as hell but to the average Davos denizen #GoldmanSachsSoWhite would be infinitely worse).

    4. The logic isn’t hard to understand. If we have to start engaging in pretences such as that Neil deGrasse Tyson is somehow the equal of Stephen Hawking or Sir Andrew Wiles or that Franklin Raines is as competent a financier as John Paulson or that Susan Rice is the academic equal of Samuel Huntington, the real-world consequences will be devastating and perhaps uncontrollable. On the other hand, there is, at the very least, a superficial attractiveness to instead:

    (a) allowing the likes of Lin Manuel Miranda to pretend that Alexander Hamilton was black or that George Washington was a trannie or that John Quincy Adams was some kind of Gentile Yentl;

    (b) pretending that George Washington Carver was as consequential a scientist as Albert Einstein;

    (c) making movies that depict Charlize Theron as having the upper body strength of Arnie in his prime; and/or

    (d) giving affirmative action hires like Henry Louis Gates and Cornell West pseudo-academic sinecures and pretending that their positions are somehow equivalent to those of, say, Lawrence Tribe or Bruce Fein.

    So hence, the establishment has thrown its weight behind a bizarre plot to apply affirmative action to the past, to fantasy and to parts of reality that don’t matter very much (like African American Studies Departments). The questions is thus: will it work?

    5. Guessing from their last project (making Obama the president), the answer is no. The whole idea behind Obama (and his designated female successor Kamala Harris) was that by getting a part-black exotic who was properly acculturated into white liberal norms and making him president, they could somehow induce blacks to stop feeling resentment at their embarrassing achievement deficit relative to whites and Asians (which, thanks to affirmative action and redistributive programmes, is far larger than the equivalent wealth and income gap). It didn’t work because:

    (a) blacks and other economically unsuccessful groups seem to have a sort of “cargo cult” belief when it comes to wealth and achievement, that they are somehow prizes allocated to people of certain ethnicities based on their political power;

    (b) as a result of (a) above, blacks believed that having one of their own in power would result in a gusher of money, jobs and prizes coming their way;

    (c) (b) didn’t happen (in spite of Obama’s best efforts) because that’s not how the world works;

    (d) the election of Obama left blacks emboldened but bitterly disappointed (which, historically, is a dangerous combination); and

    (e) Obama, Holder and Lynch, with their petulant anti-white fixations fanned the flames instead of coming out with their scripted bromides about reconciliation.

    6. This leads me to believe that this move to retcon the history of human achievement will backfire horribly. If you are Elon Musk or Haim Saban, it might seem that getting women and non-whites to argue over who gets credit for achievements of the past or the heroic roles in action movies is a good distraction from attempts to asset strip the most valuable pieces of the western economy out of resentment and jealousy. However, the historical record of Obama-tokenism indicates that the new tokenism will have the same effect. As the likes of Lin Manuel Miranda and the makers of Mad Max movies steal achievements and plaudits from the respective realms of history and reality and allow the “emerging” and “diverse” western world that has little prospect of ever achieving much of its own to wallow in its fantasy of success in proportion to its numbers, it seems likely that:

    (a) the “diverse” masses will look at the increasing gap between the image that popular culture projects of them as repositories of “vibrancy” and “brilliance” and the squalid reality of ghetto blasters, foodstamps, 7-11 jobs and tubs of Ben & Jerry’s in lieu of boyfriends and conclude what they always do (namely that the white man is screwing them over);

    (b) the heightened anger resulting from the foregoing will invest the mobs of unemployable rioters and professional agitators with more de facto political power; and

    (c) they will demand more de jure political (and economic) power (and the prestige that goes with it) so that a lucky few of them can feel like the characters they read about in doctored history books (like black Hamilton) or see in trashy movies (like Wonder Woman or Mad Max).

    7. A world run by the coalition of the “diverse” will, of course, be much less competently run than it is now and, much like Detroit and South Africa, infrastructure and social capital will disintegrate. Of course, non-whites are, as history shows, far more reliant on the competent operation of shared frameworks and large institutions like government bodies and multinationals, which means that whites will inevitably adapt better to the emerging chaos (with their independent businesses and gated communities) than non-whites and the race gap in wealth and income (and, in all probability, the sex gap as well) will rise rather than fall and the “diverse” will become even more resentful and (perhaps) even more inclined to blame white males. In such an environment, I don’t fancy the chances of even the wily manipulators that Musk, Saban et al truly are.

    8. If Donald Trump successfully puts a stop to this cultural rot then, rather than the populist agitator that he is currently portrayed as being, history will remember him as a plutocratic hero – a far-sighted (and fairly underlyingly conventional) member of the elite who was the first to see the Genesis of his class’s coming downfall and had the vision and wisdom to be the first of its number to do something to prevent it.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Irish Paleo

    4. The logic isn’t hard to understand. If we have to start engaging in pretences such as that Neil deGrasse Tyson is somehow the equal of Stephen Hawking or Sir Andrew Wiles or that Franklin Raines is as competent a financier as John Paulson or that Susan Rice is the academic equal of Samuel Huntington, the real-world consequences will be devastating and perhaps uncontrollable. On the other hand, there is, at the very least, a superficial attractiveness to instead:

    Can you tell me who has ever made any of these assertions?



    (d) giving affirmative action hires like Henry Louis Gates and Cornell West pseudo-academic sinecures and pretending that their positions are somehow equivalent to those of, say, Lawrence Tribe or Bruce Fein.

    Tribe's a con man and Fein's a crank and neither one is a historian or a comparative religion maven, so no clue why these are your standards of comparison. West is an example of talent squandered on producing theorrhea and too prideful ever to acknowledge that and produce something better. Gates more likely is someone who in a normal situation would be teaching at the U. Mass Lowell or some such recruited by Harvard because Harvard just has to have mascots.

  158. @Anonym
    OT: I was going to suggest that with Cohn's waning influence Trump could appoint the first goy Fed Chair, but it was done evidently, there have been a few it seems.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/16/as-disgusted-gary-cohn-fails-donald-trump-disbands-his-ceo-council/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McChesney_Martin

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_Federal_Reserve

    It's pretty cool to see Trump's nuts kind of drop over the last few days, what with his attack on Anti-white Action (Antiwa), lukewarm defense of the white protesters with permits and disbanding this council. We'll see how long it lasts but this sort of action will help to ensure reelection IMO. I get the feeling that Trump likes being in the oval office for power and ego reasons even more than building his business. Which is cool if he governs wisely.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    President Trump has my support if he selects another Jew for the position of Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank. But only if it is Peter Schiff.

    Schiff would immediately raise the federal funds rate to 25 percent. Paul Volcker raised it to above 20 percent in 1981. Schiff would have to top him by going to 25 percent. The asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate would pop in two days.

  159. @Opinionator
    @AM

    Interesting post.

    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn’t stop importing Africans because they couldn’t stop killing them.

    Do you have some numbers?

    You can find interviews of the last American black slaves and they’ll say very similar things – slavery was better than the labor arrangements afterwards.

    Can you point us to some sources?

    Replies: @AM, @syonredux

    Do you have some numbers?

    This is NPR’s take on Brazilian slavery: 4 million imported in 300 years.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/11/12/244563532/photos-reveal-harsh-detail-of-brazils-history-with-slavery

    “Slavery in Brazil lasted for 300 years, and it imported some 4 million Africans to the country.”

    PBS – Slaves shipped to America –

    “And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That’s right: a tiny percentage.”

    Every African here that didn’t voluntarily immigrate came from population of less than 400,000. Pretty impressive.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us/

    Can you point us to some sources?

    Black slave interviews were a WPA project. 🙂

    http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/wpa/wpahome.html

    • Replies: @Opinionator
    @AM

    Thank you

  160. @LondonBob
    Well we know from gay marriage that they will just move on to their next target, they will not be satisfied. I suggest targeting the left's icons so goodbye MLK boulevard, that bridge in Boston etc. Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson would appreciate a quick counter attack to throw your opponent off balance.

    Replies: @ChrisZ

    LondonBob, re: demonizing icons of the left:

    The lowest-hanging fruit has to be former (as in dead) West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd. Former grand kleagle (whatever) of the Ku Klux Klan, namesake of half the monuments in his home state, lionized by Dems up through his death in 2010. Practically a cartoon of a good-old-boy politician on the take.

    Best of all, a lot of current Liberals in politics and the press are on record praising him to high heaven (usually as some kind of “constitutional expert” standing up to Republican judicial nominees).

    It should have been easy to tar him and his friends with his Klan background, demand Byrd’s name be stricken from a dozen elementary schools. But the GOP were/are too flaccid to even try. It’s a little late, but a takedown of Byrd’s legacy would be a shot across the bow of lefty pols who dream of having their names immortalized on a post office; a baby step in establishing a “balance of terror.”

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @ChrisZ

    It's proper to attack Byrd. Everything named for him is a consequence of his self-aggrandizing patronage distribution. He had no accomplishments outside of getting and holding political office (something he did from age 29 until his death at age 92). His Klan organizing in 1942 was very odd. The 2d incarnation of the Klan largely evaporated after 1930 and had nearly disappeared by 1942. (It formally dissolved in 1944). West Virginia hasn't many blacks and racial questions don't generally take up much rent-free space in the heads of upland Southerners. National Democratic pols lied through their teeth in 2010 insisting his Klan activity was necessary to get elected. Neither his predecessor in the Senate nor the chap serving alongside him were antagonists of the blacks; I think Byrd may have been the only member of Congress from West Virginia in the post-war period who was.

    Replies: @ChrisZ

  161. @TomSchmidt
    Nassim Taleb recounts the old Levantine saying, in Antifragile: the man who has no past has no future. I mentioned this to an Israeli friend, and he told me the Israeli version: "a tree without roots cannot grow."

    Replies: @Forbes

    For much of our youth (and adults that haven’t outgrown their adolescence), “living in the moment” is their mantra. They couldn’t care less about the future.

    It also explains the lack of impulse control in much of society.

  162. @AndrewR
    @Jake

    The inevitable iconoclasm of Lincoln is a major silver lining of our current trajectory.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    True that.

  163. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Marky
    The rebel statues in the South were always an anomaly in that they celebrated men who were, unlike Washington and Jefferson were abject failures. Its more surprising that the fruits of the early 20th century Conferedate revanchist project was tolerated for so long. Perhaps its a generational thing: as the WW2 generation dies off, toleration for fascism is creeping back, so too the natural attrition of Civil War vets opened the door for these monuments to be errected.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @anon

    The thing about war is that the winners get over it pretty quickly, but the losers … not so much.

    The North was building a transcontinental railroad, polishing off the Indians, promoting homesteading, filling up the vast flyover country, industrializing, and making money.

    The South was left with wreckage and worse. Whites with the means to leave migrated to Texas and beyond. Cotton collapsed. Agriculture was in the early stages of its permanent decline in economic importance. It had nothing going for it and was filled with former slaves.

    Regardless … after WW 1, there was an attempt to reframe it as a debate between Lee and Lincoln — the ‘Lost Cause’ argument. As far as global principles, the right to self determination frequently conflicts with national sovereignty. So … it could be framed as a reasonable disagreement that was settled. After all, we were able to rehab the Germans and Japanese within a couple of years after the end of WW 2 after only hanging a handful of generals.

    Most of this was simply wishful thinking on the part of Southerners. But the book and movie, Gone With the Wind was the popular culture version and it had an audience.

    The original batch of statues was ignored by the North. Lee became a huge figure in the Lost Cause. You had two anguished men. Lincoln. Who really, really didn’t want to have to commit was was clearly a War atrocity during Sherman’s march. And is never really portrayed as doing anything but agonizing over history and wringing his hands. Who is evenly matched with Lee who never wanted to be a Rebel, but was so patriotic that it was just a matter of the slightest nuance that he ended up leading the Rebellion rather than the Union Army. What with his ties to Virginia being slightly stronger than his loyalty to the United States. In this version, no one wanted war. War being hell and all. It was just … stuff. Like tariffs. And if these really smart, moral, great guys were forced to do bad stuff against their will … then everyone else … had no choice.

    I suppose the Lost Cause took a fatal bullet during the civil rights movement, but the real significance of Lee is that he was the symbolic leader of a historical period that saw the South trying to move past its history.

    But once you remove Lee, then Lincoln the Myth doesn’t make much sense. He was just another lawyer. The first things he did are exactly what Trump was accused of doing. Jailed political opponents. Tossed out basic constitutional rights. Blundered into an absurdly bloody and costly war with virtually total cluelessness. Or however you want to view him. No one really looks all that innocent after a lengthy, bloody war.

  164. Dahlia says:

    Thanks, Steve, I find this very convincing.

    I also think of Agnostic or Taleb saying that a certain type of thinker, very cerebral as opposed to corporeal who like to destroy physical vestiges for whatever reason (anti-idolatry, act of aggression, futurism, etc.)

    A common feature I’ve also seemed to notice is that they don’t have an appreciation for history. A hater of the Confederacy, if of a more corporeal bend, would find the emblems to be a reminder, a way to have the fullest sense of what they meant, what they mean to the people who lived back then and the people today.
    As a Catholic, I could never imagine wanting to destroy any Protestant emblems, statues of Oliver Cromwell or the like. Can’t even imagine hating them and Cromwell drove my ancestors out. When researching my ancestry, learning that some of my Protestant ones lived in Orange County Virginia helped give me a richer and fuller understanding of who they were and it would be devastating if it were to be renamed to “ease feelings”.

    Anyway, back to feelings of inferiority, I get that sense, too, but why do people hate us rednecks so much? Sometimes we’re super en vogue, like the 20s to the 70s, but now, especially now, not so much. It’s usually against the real rednecks, mountaineers/hillbillies, and not the genteel lowlander. Why?

  165. @Desiderius
    @KM32

    Keep your cool while setting limits and keeping them.

    The contrast with those seducing her will gnaw at the back of her mind.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “Keep your cool while setting limits and keeping them.

    The contrast with those seducing her will gnaw at the back of her mind.”

    I agree–but the contrast gnawing at the back of her mind will not cause her to look favorably on KM32’s POV. I think the opposite will occur. You’re suggesting he pit coolness, rationality and reasonable limits against feelz. If he does that, the feelz will win. Because that’s what the left (composed mostly of unattractive and entitled white women, unmanly white men and blacks) is all about. The last thing these losers want is a reasonable discussion grounded in a factual, historical context. All facts are hate facts to them because the only weapon in their arsenal is irrationality.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Kylie


    You’re suggesting he pit coolness, rationality and reasonable limits against feelz.
     
    Nope.

    I'm suggesting he pit dominance against desperation. If he'd been doing that all along, his wife would already be on the same page.

    Replies: @Kylie

  166. @S. Anonyia
    @KM32

    Does your kid have a job? Make them go work in a restaurant. That is the quickest way to impress reality on a teenager. Guarantee you the SJW mentality will disappear fast. They may stay liberal but they will not be a SJW.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “Does your kid have a job? Make them go work in a restaurant. That is the quickest way to impress reality on a teenager.”

    A job in motel housekeeping will do it even faster.

  167. @Opinionator
    @AM

    Interesting post.

    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn’t stop importing Africans because they couldn’t stop killing them.

    Do you have some numbers?

    You can find interviews of the last American black slaves and they’ll say very similar things – slavery was better than the labor arrangements afterwards.

    Can you point us to some sources?

    Replies: @AM, @syonredux

    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn’t stop importing Africans because they couldn’t stop killing them.

    Do you have some numbers?

    Some numbers:

    The most comprehensive analysis of shipping records over the course of the slave trade is the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, edited by professors David Eltis and David Richardson. (While the editors are careful to say that all of their figures are estimates, I believe that they are the best estimates that we have, the proverbial “gold standard” in the field of the study of the slave trade.) Between 1525 and 1866, in the entire history of the slave trade to the New World, according to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.

    And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That’s right: a tiny percentage.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us/

    During the Atlantic slave trade era, Brazil imported more African slaves than any other country. An estimated 4.9 million slaves from Africa were brought to Brazil during the period from 1501 to 1866.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Brazil

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @syonredux

    So let's send the African-"Americans" to Brazil and Portugal en masse, where they can get their revenge on the real big slavers in the Americas -- not Brits but the white Portuguese.

  168. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @dearieme
    WKPD:

    In 1787, Hemings, aged 14, accompanied Jefferson's youngest daughter Mary ("Polly") to London and then to Paris, where the widowed Jefferson, aged 44 at the time, was serving as the United States Minister to France. Hemings spent two years there. It is believed by most historians that Jefferson began a sexual relationship with Hemings in France or soon after their return to Monticello.

    Fourteen? I hadn't known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @syonredux, @Alden, @Alden, @gregor

    Jefferson had his good points, (see the Declaration of Independence) but he also had his bad ones, and they were plentiful. As governer of Virginia, he ran away like a coward when the British attacked, and he failed to organize Virginia properly for its defense. He didn’t have a clue about war. Yet he had the nerve to go after Hamilton who actually fought in the army. Jefferson did all he could to make Hamilton’s job as Secretary of the Treasury a pain, even though it was Hamilton’s advice and hard work that got the fledgling government on its feet. Jefferson was never grateful that Hamilton helped win Jefferson the presidential election, either. Forget the stupid musical. If you’ve read Chernow’s book, you become aware that the country would not have been able to function in its early days as a working governmental structure without Hamilton.

    Jefferson, we didn’t need so much. Jefferson could be petty and spiteful. His greatest virtue was not being incompetant in office, and he may have served the country better by being nothing more than a dilettantish country squire tinkering with things. Madison also ran away like a coward when the British came a-calling in 1812, and he had no idea how to organize the militia either, and he was even more spiteful and petty than Jefferson, but he earned his legitimate place in history by doing a lot of hefting lifting when it came to the Constitution.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Anon

    "Jefferson had his good points, (see the Declaration of Independence) ...": there we disagree. I see it as a seedy, mendacious advertising flyer, an obvious inspiration for Alinsky. The contrast with the Constitution - a most impressive document - is stark. It's a pity that y'all can't live up to the Constitution but that's mankind for you.

  169. @Beene
    The article descends into the usual anti-Jewish screed fairly quickly.

    However, I was confused by the implications toward the end - are you saying that there are no successful Jewish real estate agents and architects? That doesn't sound right.

    For example, the modern shopping mall was designed by Victor Gruen in 1956.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Yeah, I really feel as if Steve whiffed the ball on this one. Landscape architecture is thought of by most people as not exactly central to our civilization (and golf course architecture an even more minor subspecialty). I can name Olmstead and Vaux and that’s it. I suppose (though I don’t really know) that it’s a WASP dominated field but so what? Who cares?

    Real estate development as being WASPish – I don’t think so. In the last century many major real estate developers have been Jewish. Trump was unusual in NY as one of the few major developers who was NOT Jewish.

    This weeks frenzy seems to be mainly about statues. No one has gone after WASP designed parks or landscapes (at least not yet). Erdeley is thoroughly discredited and even before she was, no one really picked up on or cared about her insane ravings about Jeffersonian landscape architecture or campus design.

    Steve often hits the ball right on the head – he gets it when the main stream media is completely (and in most cases intentionally) clueless. But not this time – the imaginary world that he creates in this article bears no more resemblance to the real world than the typical NY Times article. And that’s saying something.

    I assume that Steve has to write for Taki on deadline and that he gets paid for it (I’m sure he could use the income since he is blacklisted from any mainstream media employment, even by “respectable” right wing journals) so he can be forgiven if not every Taki article is a masterpiece. This one falls in his bottom 10%.

    • Disagree: Abe
    • Replies: @Beenee
    @Jack D

    Indeed. I also remembered this guy. Certainly an important planner.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses

    , @Lot
    @Jack D

    I know a landscape architect. He's gay with an anglo last name but looks more Italian. About 2/3 of his work is in China now, where there are far more large high budget developments.

  170. @inertial
    Sorry but this is strained. Ellis Island immigrants are envious of WASPs because the latter created beautiful landscapes? This makes no sense.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I agree. Not his best work. Everyone has a bad day I suppose.

  171. @dearieme
    WKPD:

    In 1787, Hemings, aged 14, accompanied Jefferson's youngest daughter Mary ("Polly") to London and then to Paris, where the widowed Jefferson, aged 44 at the time, was serving as the United States Minister to France. Hemings spent two years there. It is believed by most historians that Jefferson began a sexual relationship with Hemings in France or soon after their return to Monticello.

    Fourteen? I hadn't known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @syonredux, @Alden, @Alden, @gregor

    WKPD:

    In 1787, Hemings, aged 14, accompanied Jefferson’s youngest daughter Mary (“Polly”) to London and then to Paris, where the widowed Jefferson, aged 44 at the time, was serving as the United States Minister to France. Hemings spent two years there. It is believed by most historians that Jefferson began a sexual relationship with Hemings in France or soon after their return to Monticello.

    Fourteen? I hadn’t known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.

    More like somewhere between 14 and 16. Call me jaded, but that seems somewhat less objectionable than the actions of Muhammad, who violated a 9 year old….

    According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad and nine when the marriage was consummated.[11][12][13][14][10][21] For example, Sahih al-Bukhari, considered by many Sunni Muslims as the most authentic book after Quran, states:

    Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

    —Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64

    RE;:Jefferson and Sally Hemings,

    Slavery seems oddly tangential to the whole thing.It begins, after all, in Paris, where Sally is a free woman.Hence, what we have here is an entanglement between a servant girl and her older, wealthy, world famous employer, who is also a widower.It’s a harlequin romance avant la lettre. Indeed, the fact that Sally was also the half-sister of Jefferson’s dead wife (did they resemble one another?) adds a nice Gothic frisson to the whole thing.

    Then she becomes pregnant*, and Jefferson is recalled to the USA to become America’s first Secretary of State.Sally is in a quandary.Stay in Paris as a free woman or go back to Virginia and be a slave. Lets look at the pros and the cons of it:

    Staying in Paris: Freedom for herself and her child.Which also means living as a single mother amidst the Parisian proletariat.That future looks rather bleak. Endless labor.Marriage, perhaps, to some Parisian layabout.

    Back to Virginia: Living as the concubine of the wealthy, famous, and powerful Thomas Jefferson.A man who is going to be Secretary of State….And is almost certainly going to be President someday….

    * Allegedly. We only have Madison Hemings’ word on this point

    • Replies: @Alden
    @syonredux

    Well, the first baby died. But then she had six more all born exactly 9 months after confirmed dates when Jefferson was in residence at Monticello. Jefferson recorded births of all his slaves including the names of the parents. He did not record the father of any of Sally's children

    Of corse all those other Jefferson men were around when Sally's children were conceived. Her bedroom was right next to his according to the Monticello museum people.

    Personally, I can't see all the fuss and horror on either side of the debate.

    What I don't like is the confederate heritage men who loudly proclaim that no White southern man ever touched a black woman and all the light skinned blacks are the children of Irish slut slave women transported here by the British.

    Yeah right.

    Replies: @syonredux

  172. @dearieme
    WKPD:

    In 1787, Hemings, aged 14, accompanied Jefferson's youngest daughter Mary ("Polly") to London and then to Paris, where the widowed Jefferson, aged 44 at the time, was serving as the United States Minister to France. Hemings spent two years there. It is believed by most historians that Jefferson began a sexual relationship with Hemings in France or soon after their return to Monticello.

    Fourteen? I hadn't known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @syonredux, @Alden, @Alden, @gregor

    They all came back from Paris when Sally was 16. She was pregnant, near term with her first child who was born and died shortly after they arrived back in the US.

    And while in Paris, she was nanny to his younger daughter and companion to the older daughter of Jefferson.

    One would think he would keep his teenage girl friend separate from his teenage daughter. Oh well

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Alden

    He would not be the 1st man to screw the nanny nor the last.

    , @gregor
    @Alden

    I believe the source for that is a memoir from 1873 written by Madison Hemings, a son born in 1805, well after the return from Paris.

  173. @Rod1963
    You know we're dealing with our own versions of Maoists now, don't you?

    Though the Left doesn't have it's chairman per se. At it's head is the MSM, intellectuals, the political and managerial classes. Think of it like a Hydra.

    And they hate the deplorables and want us dead and gone.

    It's not really complicated, they've made it abundantly clear, repeatedly.

    Have you noticed even the GOP is attacking Trump for pointing a finger at the Left for the violence? They are okay with violence against whites and the destruction of our heritage.

    One day it will culminate in the "great Leap Forward" when they come after whitey directly.

    Replies: @neutral

    You know we’re dealing with our own versions of Maoists now, don’t you?

    In many ways it’s fundamentally worse than Maoists. Say what you want about Mao, but never would he have contemplated the idea of replacing the people living in China with outsiders. The madness that is now consuming the USA is escalating to uncharted territory, even the recent South Africa stories of tearing statues down does not compare. In South Africa it was black people targeting white statues, pretty much a standard post colonial practice. In America its like a new civilization forming, something completely alien to the former civilization, even when civilizations like the Byzantines were conquered by the Ottomans, the Ottomans kept many traces of the former alive, I don’t see this happening in America its a complete blank slate.

  174. @anon
    @dearieme

    Fourteen? I hadn't known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.

    In the end, that may be his saving grace. The pedo is alternative lifestyle and needs support from SJW. See the high esteem they hold Mohammad in.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Rightly or wrongly, sex with a fourteen-year-0ld was quite common in Western countries at the time.

    Moreover, whether it’s morally right or wrong, socially and psychologically advisable or not, sex with a 14-year-old is not pedophila because the girl has hit puberty already. So your mention of “the pedo” doesn’t apply.

    Nor is there ANY comparison, morally or legally or psychologically, between Jefferson sleeping with a post-pubescent 14-year-old and muhammad raping a Nine-year-old (his “wife” Aiesha).

  175. @syonredux
    @Opinionator


    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn’t stop importing Africans because they couldn’t stop killing them.

    Do you have some numbers?
     
    Some numbers:

    The most comprehensive analysis of shipping records over the course of the slave trade is the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, edited by professors David Eltis and David Richardson. (While the editors are careful to say that all of their figures are estimates, I believe that they are the best estimates that we have, the proverbial “gold standard” in the field of the study of the slave trade.) Between 1525 and 1866, in the entire history of the slave trade to the New World, according to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.

    And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That’s right: a tiny percentage.
     
    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us/

    During the Atlantic slave trade era, Brazil imported more African slaves than any other country. An estimated 4.9 million slaves from Africa were brought to Brazil during the period from 1501 to 1866.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Brazil

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    So let’s send the African-“Americans” to Brazil and Portugal en masse, where they can get their revenge on the real big slavers in the Americas — not Brits but the white Portuguese.

  176. @Off The Street
    Hamilton's DNA would provide definitive proof of his Jewish or gentile biology. Is it available to test?

    How many other such questions of fact could be identified and resolved without all the handwringing and caterwauling?

    Replies: @Flip

    I’ve read that Hamilton’s descendants were tested and showed no connection to the Scottish Hamiltons, which presumably means that his putative father was not his biological father.

  177. @dearieme
    WKPD:

    In 1787, Hemings, aged 14, accompanied Jefferson's youngest daughter Mary ("Polly") to London and then to Paris, where the widowed Jefferson, aged 44 at the time, was serving as the United States Minister to France. Hemings spent two years there. It is believed by most historians that Jefferson began a sexual relationship with Hemings in France or soon after their return to Monticello.

    Fourteen? I hadn't known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @syonredux, @Alden, @Alden, @gregor

    They all came back from Paris when Sally was 16. She was pregnant, near term with her first child who was born and died shortly after they arrived back in the US.

    And while in Paris, she was nanny to his younger daughter and companion and classmate to the older daughter of Jefferson.

    One would think he would keep his teenage girl friend separate from his teenage daughter. Oh well

  178. @Anonym
    BTW it just seems insane that the left would even consider attacking Jefferson. William Jefferson Clinton is named after him - the left are truly eating their own.

    Jefferson is perhaps the coolest founding father. Admittedly, Ben Franklin was amazing too. If they want to build the hatred that is going to enact the Lincoln Plan, then they are going down the right path. Ultimately it will be a good thing. Keep knocking down more statues, lefties! Stoke that hate!

    Replies: @Indiana Jack, @Abe, @Jim Don Bob

    William Jefferson Clinton is named after him – the left are truly eating their own.

    Yes, but it was that scum bag grifter pussy hound BJC who publicized the “affair” between TJ and Sally Hemmings. And he did it just to distract people from his own hound dogging.

    I hope he enjoys the same circle of Hell as Teddy Kennedy. A brilliant politician, but a vile human being.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Jim Don Bob

    I hope he enjoys the same circle of Hell as Teddy Kennedy. A brilliant politician, but a vile human being.

    I am no great fan of WJC but he is a president that most of the voting population remember living under. It's not like he is FDR. Hence why this kind of surprises me, or rather, why I find it remarkable. This harkens back to the cell phone throwing incident of Bill's. Democrats are basically now the party of "F*** white people!". There is no future for white people in the Democrat party other than koolaid drinkers. And yet it is virtually impossible for them to ditch identity politics at this point.

    I hated BJC at the time but frankly Reagan did more long-term damage with amnesty than Clinton. In fact would Bill have come to power without Reagan's amnesty?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Jim Don Bob

    I'm not a fan of George Will, but he described Bill Clinton aptly: "He wasn't the worst president, but he was the worst man to ever be president."

  179. @Jack D
    @Beene

    Yeah, I really feel as if Steve whiffed the ball on this one. Landscape architecture is thought of by most people as not exactly central to our civilization (and golf course architecture an even more minor subspecialty). I can name Olmstead and Vaux and that's it. I suppose (though I don't really know) that it's a WASP dominated field but so what? Who cares?

    Real estate development as being WASPish - I don't think so. In the last century many major real estate developers have been Jewish. Trump was unusual in NY as one of the few major developers who was NOT Jewish.

    This weeks frenzy seems to be mainly about statues. No one has gone after WASP designed parks or landscapes (at least not yet). Erdeley is thoroughly discredited and even before she was, no one really picked up on or cared about her insane ravings about Jeffersonian landscape architecture or campus design.

    Steve often hits the ball right on the head - he gets it when the main stream media is completely (and in most cases intentionally) clueless. But not this time - the imaginary world that he creates in this article bears no more resemblance to the real world than the typical NY Times article. And that's saying something.

    I assume that Steve has to write for Taki on deadline and that he gets paid for it (I'm sure he could use the income since he is blacklisted from any mainstream media employment, even by "respectable" right wing journals) so he can be forgiven if not every Taki article is a masterpiece. This one falls in his bottom 10%.

    Replies: @Beenee, @Lot

    Indeed. I also remembered this guy. Certainly an important planner.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses

  180. @Jack D
    @Beene

    Yeah, I really feel as if Steve whiffed the ball on this one. Landscape architecture is thought of by most people as not exactly central to our civilization (and golf course architecture an even more minor subspecialty). I can name Olmstead and Vaux and that's it. I suppose (though I don't really know) that it's a WASP dominated field but so what? Who cares?

    Real estate development as being WASPish - I don't think so. In the last century many major real estate developers have been Jewish. Trump was unusual in NY as one of the few major developers who was NOT Jewish.

    This weeks frenzy seems to be mainly about statues. No one has gone after WASP designed parks or landscapes (at least not yet). Erdeley is thoroughly discredited and even before she was, no one really picked up on or cared about her insane ravings about Jeffersonian landscape architecture or campus design.

    Steve often hits the ball right on the head - he gets it when the main stream media is completely (and in most cases intentionally) clueless. But not this time - the imaginary world that he creates in this article bears no more resemblance to the real world than the typical NY Times article. And that's saying something.

    I assume that Steve has to write for Taki on deadline and that he gets paid for it (I'm sure he could use the income since he is blacklisted from any mainstream media employment, even by "respectable" right wing journals) so he can be forgiven if not every Taki article is a masterpiece. This one falls in his bottom 10%.

    Replies: @Beenee, @Lot

    I know a landscape architect. He’s gay with an anglo last name but looks more Italian. About 2/3 of his work is in China now, where there are far more large high budget developments.

  181. @syonredux
    @dearieme


    WKPD:

    In 1787, Hemings, aged 14, accompanied Jefferson’s youngest daughter Mary (“Polly”) to London and then to Paris, where the widowed Jefferson, aged 44 at the time, was serving as the United States Minister to France. Hemings spent two years there. It is believed by most historians that Jefferson began a sexual relationship with Hemings in France or soon after their return to Monticello.

    Fourteen? I hadn’t known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.
     
    More like somewhere between 14 and 16. Call me jaded, but that seems somewhat less objectionable than the actions of Muhammad, who violated a 9 year old....

    According to Sunni scriptural Hadith sources, Aisha was six or seven years old when she was married to Muhammad and nine when the marriage was consummated.[11][12][13][14][10][21] For example, Sahih al-Bukhari, considered by many Sunni Muslims as the most authentic book after Quran, states:

    Narrated ‘Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

    —Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64
     
    RE;:Jefferson and Sally Hemings,

    Slavery seems oddly tangential to the whole thing.It begins, after all, in Paris, where Sally is a free woman.Hence, what we have here is an entanglement between a servant girl and her older, wealthy, world famous employer, who is also a widower.It’s a harlequin romance avant la lettre. Indeed, the fact that Sally was also the half-sister of Jefferson’s dead wife (did they resemble one another?) adds a nice Gothic frisson to the whole thing.

    Then she becomes pregnant*, and Jefferson is recalled to the USA to become America’s first Secretary of State.Sally is in a quandary.Stay in Paris as a free woman or go back to Virginia and be a slave. Lets look at the pros and the cons of it:

    Staying in Paris: Freedom for herself and her child.Which also means living as a single mother amidst the Parisian proletariat.That future looks rather bleak. Endless labor.Marriage, perhaps, to some Parisian layabout.

    Back to Virginia: Living as the concubine of the wealthy, famous, and powerful Thomas Jefferson.A man who is going to be Secretary of State....And is almost certainly going to be President someday....

    * Allegedly. We only have Madison Hemings' word on this point

    Replies: @Alden

    Well, the first baby died. But then she had six more all born exactly 9 months after confirmed dates when Jefferson was in residence at Monticello. Jefferson recorded births of all his slaves including the names of the parents. He did not record the father of any of Sally’s children

    Of corse all those other Jefferson men were around when Sally’s children were conceived. Her bedroom was right next to his according to the Monticello museum people.

    Personally, I can’t see all the fuss and horror on either side of the debate.

    What I don’t like is the confederate heritage men who loudly proclaim that no White southern man ever touched a black woman and all the light skinned blacks are the children of Irish slut slave women transported here by the British.

    Yeah right.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Alden


    Well, the first baby died.
     
    Well, as I noted above, we don't know if the first pregnancy actually happened. We only have Madison Hemings' word on that. So, maybe yes, maybe no.

    What I don’t like is the confederate heritage men who loudly proclaim that no White southern man ever touched a black woman and all the light skinned blacks are the children of Irish slut slave women transported here by the British.
     
    They're just being silly.
  182. @Steve Sailer
    @Yan Shen

    I don't have cable TV so I don't watch Game of Thrones.

    If you still need an opinion from me: I have heard it's good.

    Replies: @Abe, @theo the kraut

    Streaming is sketchy sometimes, also, moral issues…
    https://gostream.is/film/game-of-thrones-season-1-1620.uwMm

  183. @epebble
    @syonredux

    This is how Kevin Williamson at National Review describes protesters like Cvjetanovic:

    ... A Charlottesville protester named Nicholas J. Fuentes, raging against the “rootless transnational elite,” vows: “You will not replace us.” I have reviewed the passenger manifest of the Mayflower, and there is not a single “Fuentes” to be found. Indeed, the rowdier white-power element in Texas, where I live, would very much like to see every man bearing the name “Fuentes” set down on the southerly side of a muddy little river that runs through Laredo. Peter Cvjetanovic, the 20-year-old rage-monkey bellowing in one of the now-famous photos of the tiki-Nazi procession in Virginia, complains: “I’m not the angry racist they see in that photo.” One hopes not: “Cvjetanović” is a Croat name. Not a whole lot of Slavs on the Mayflower, either,



    and the originators of that swastika flag the angry white boys in Virginia like to fly would have put every Cvjetanović they could lay hands on in a camp, eventually. Benito Mussolini reported that he himself had been impressed by a protest against “Jugo-Slav” immigrants in Italy. Fuentes? Cvjetanović? As Rachel Dolezal knows, white people just ain’t what they used to be. What does an angry white boy really want? “A girlfriend,” comes the mocking answer, and there’s probably more to that than mockery. The proprietor of one of the nation’s premier websites for neo-Nazi knuckleheads advised his colleagues in Charlottesville that, after the protest — which included a murder — “random girls will want to have sex with you.” I ran this proposition past a few random girls, and I suspect that the apfelstrudelführers are going to go home disappointed. There are many shades of white, and Mom’s-basement white is the least popular crayon in the box. Of course we should mock them, criticize them, lament them, and, in the case of James Alex Fields Jr., the trust-funder from Ohio charged in the death of Heather Heyer, prosecute them. What does James Alex Fields Jr. want? A transcript of a 911 call from his mother describes him beating her after she told him to stop playing a particular video game. She is disabled and uses a wheelchair. That wasn’t the only 911 call she made in fear of her son. The angry white boys do not have a serious political agenda. They don’t have any straightforward demands like the Teamsters or PETA do, and they do not have a well-developed ideological position like the Communists do, though it would be inaccurate to say that they lack an ideology entirely. Their agenda is their anger, an anger that is difficult to understand. Middle-class white men in the United States of America in anno Domini 2017 have their problems, to be sure. Life is full of little disappointments. But their motive is not to be found in their exterior circumstances, which are pretty good. Maybe too good: A great many of these young men have an interest in evolutionary psychology and evolutionary sociology — they like to think of themselves as “alpha males,” as though they were living in a chimpanzee troop — but it never occurs to them to consider their own status as rejects and failed men in that context. Online fantasy lives notwithstanding, random girls do not want to have sex with them. How do we know this? Because they are carrying tiki torches in a giant dork parade in Charlottesville. There’s no prom queen waiting at home. If we credit their own sociobiological model, they are the superfluous males who would have been discarded, along with their genetic material, by the pitiless state of nature. The fantasy of proving that they are something else is why they dream of violence and confrontation. They are the products of the soft liberal-democratic society they hold in contempt — and upon which they depend, utterly. James Alex Fields Jr. is angry at the world, and angry at his mother, probably for the same reason. What does an angry white boy want? The fact that they get together to play dress-up — to engage in a large and sometimes murderous game of cowboys and Indians — may give us our answer. They want to be someone other than who they are. That’s the great irony of identity politics: They seek identity in the tribe because they are failed individuals. They are a chain composed exclusively of weak links. What they are engaged in isn’t politics, but theater: play-acting in the hopes of achieving catharsis. Their online personas — knights, Vikings, reincarnations of Charles Martel — will be familiar enough to anybody with a Dungeons and Dragons nerd in his life. But sometimes, role-playing around a card table isn’t enough: Sometimes, you need a stage and an audience. In the theater, actors and audience both can forget ourselves for an hour or two. Under the soft glow of the tiki torches, these angry white boys can be something else — for a night. In the morning, they wake up with the same faces. And there is something in the faces. James Alex Fields Jr. has more than a little whiff of Dylann Roof about him, and we know what Dylann Roof wanted: to murder black people. Sometimes, it is worth taking angry white boys at their word.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450501/white-nationalists-alt-right-vague-grievances-what-do-they-want

    Replies: @Alden, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    Why I stopped reading National Review 25 years ago when it ended advocacy for Whites and turned to fuddy duddy conservatism and worship of the commie wife beater, plagiarist and lecher Michael King

  184. Dahlia says:

    Steve’s article also helps address a phenomenon I’ve always noticed and wondered about: Why are the people most upset about Confederate emblems the least likely to have had ancestors involved in the Civil War; their ancestors had not arrived. My husband lost ancestors on both sides. One, an Ohioan, died as a POW in Andersonville; he has never lost one moment’s peace over this.

    I really didn’t know and wondered if they were just trying to prove themselves to the Old Stock Yankees they tend to live amongst, except I’ve never known Yankees to have bitter passions about the South or Confederate emblems. In fact, I’ve only ever personally known friendliness. So that couldn’t be it. Steve’s theory offers some explanation.
    I personally do not have any attachment to Confederate symbols or emblems, but they don’t bother me either. But I’ve always gotten the feeling that the hatred is really not about these things, but about a hatred of me and mine by the new arrivals.

    If what Steve says is correct they’ll be hating Old Stock Yankees next?

  185. @Achilles

    Human history suggests that people are naturally prejudiced in favor of their own ancestors, because the accomplishments of their forefathers reflect well upon them. America is increasingly dominated by people with shallow roots in this country. So it’s hardly surprising that they find it insulting to reflect upon what Americans not related to them once accomplished.

     

    This insightful point by Steve is almost never acknowledged much less discussed even when debates about immigration policy take place in the media.

    There have been tremendous black-white racial problems in America since black Africans were imported as slaves into the American colonies.

    Nevertheless, there is a case to be made that the wave of Eastern European Jewish immigration in the late 19th and into the 20th century will prove to be the most damaging to the viability of the American nation-state over the long term.

    This group is gripped by some sort of inferiority/superiority complex with respect to white founding stock Americans and as they have moved into positions of great influence over American society through the mainstream media, entertainment, law, publishing, school curricula and universities, their own specific group psychological obsessions influence to a large extent how they relate to American society and seem to drive them to search out points of weakness to exploit and use to attack non-Jewish white American civilization.

    There has always been an often-concealed contempt by Jews for the non-Jewish European civilization which arose out of Christendom, and one source of such contempt is undoubtedly the fact that this civilization is founded on a metaphysical belief system based on worshipping and following the teachings of someone who happened to have been a Jew and to them merely a heretic and a hoax.

    Further, as Jews have secularized and rejected their own religious and moral past as so much superstition, all the more contempt do they have for non-Jews with no significant historical or racial connection to Jewish civilization who cling to what they see as superstitions surrounding this one dead Jew.

    That such an easily-fooled, guileless cattle-like people could accomplish what they did in America while the Eastern European Jews were still stewing in the dirty shtetls of Europe is attributed to the oppression of the Czars and other evil anti-Semitic forces.

    In the face of the powerful forces of ethnic and religious identity, it is remarkable how American civilization has managed to assimilate into its people and convert into supporters of the American nation-state people from such different groups, Protestants, Catholics, Huguenots, the wild Celtic fringe, German sectarians, Italians, Slavs, Tejanos and on and on.

    But, setting aside black Africans, the one group which has most refused to assimilate positively to the historic American nation-state and to the contrary has been the most destructive internal force, has been left/liberal/neocon Jews. Their negotiating position ranges from that the historic white American people are evil and their civilization must be destroyed, to the position that there does not even exist an American people and this civilization merely consists of an abstract proposition which happened to land on a territory of magic dirt.

    I suggest that the single most valuable step that could be taken to save the American constitutional republic would be the conversion of that portion of American Jews who are left/liberal/neocon to supporters of the American nation-state. How exactly to accomplish this, I don't know.

    Replies: @Alden

    Expect for college, I’ve been around Jews all my life. It will never happen.

    I’ve known a lot of Chinese whose families came here in the Gold Rush. They married other Chinese for generations and kept all the holidays and traditions.

    And they are more truly loyal Americans than Jews. Jews generally have nothing good to say about Europe either.

  186. @TomSchmidt
    @Anonymous

    "In reality, the greatest sins of those who built America, and frankly the greatest sins of the West, have been kindness and generosity."

    Depends by what you mean by built. I can think of a few sins worse than kindness and generosity, and I'm sure you can too. Slavery was definitely one, and the avaricious genocide of native peoples (the savages Jefferson complains about in the Declaration) in North and South America was another. Killing off the Indians only to turn the conquered land over to others from around the world compounds the original sin.

    That everyone did it in the past doesn't make it right. We don't get to pretend that we didn't do it, either, as a culture. We won't win by telling ourselves pretty lies.

    Replies: @Alden

    Schmidt? What about your German ancestors who came charging out of Central Asia 10,000 years ago to conquer the Celts of Europe and ended up conquering the Roman Empire for yourselves?

    Go do penance for that dreadful crime of genocide.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Alden

    Well, the Romans did kill Christ, so they kinda had it coming.

  187. @Alden
    @dearieme

    They all came back from Paris when Sally was 16. She was pregnant, near term with her first child who was born and died shortly after they arrived back in the US.

    And while in Paris, she was nanny to his younger daughter and companion to the older daughter of Jefferson.

    One would think he would keep his teenage girl friend separate from his teenage daughter. Oh well

    Replies: @Jack D, @gregor

    He would not be the 1st man to screw the nanny nor the last.

  188. @Alden
    @syonredux

    Well, the first baby died. But then she had six more all born exactly 9 months after confirmed dates when Jefferson was in residence at Monticello. Jefferson recorded births of all his slaves including the names of the parents. He did not record the father of any of Sally's children

    Of corse all those other Jefferson men were around when Sally's children were conceived. Her bedroom was right next to his according to the Monticello museum people.

    Personally, I can't see all the fuss and horror on either side of the debate.

    What I don't like is the confederate heritage men who loudly proclaim that no White southern man ever touched a black woman and all the light skinned blacks are the children of Irish slut slave women transported here by the British.

    Yeah right.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Well, the first baby died.

    Well, as I noted above, we don’t know if the first pregnancy actually happened. We only have Madison Hemings’ word on that. So, maybe yes, maybe no.

    What I don’t like is the confederate heritage men who loudly proclaim that no White southern man ever touched a black woman and all the light skinned blacks are the children of Irish slut slave women transported here by the British.

    They’re just being silly.

  189. @Mark Caplan
    @Dr. X


    Nietzsche argued that Jews and feminists were the primary transmitters of slave morality.
     
    is that right? I know Nietzsche held up Christianity as the quintisential example of slave morality. Judaism doesn't have turn the other cheek, resist not evil in it's doctrine.

    Replies: @AM, @Lot, @Dr. X

    is that right? I know Nietzsche held up Christianity as the quintisential example of slave morality. Judaism doesn’t have turn the other cheek, resist not evil in it’s doctrine.

    From Beyond Good and Evil:

    “The Jews have brought off that miraculous feat of an inversion of values, thanks to which life on earth has acquired a novel and dangerous attraction for a couple of millennia. … Their prophets…were the first to use the word ‘world’ as a term of contempt. This inversion of values…constitutes the significance of the Jewish people: they mark the beginning of the slave rebellion in morals.”

    “Let us briefly consider the greatest example. Everything on earth which has been done against “the noble,” “the powerful,” “the masters,” “the rulers” is not worth mentioning in comparison with what the Jews have done against them: the Jews, that priestly people, who knew how to get final satisfaction from their enemies and conquerors through a radical transformation of their values, that is, through an act of the most spiritual revenge. This was appropriate only to a priestly people with the most deeply repressed priestly desire for revenge. In opposition to the aristocratic value equations (good = noble = powerful = beautiful = fortunate = loved by god), the Jews, with an awe-inspiring consistency, dared to reverse things and to hang on to that with the teeth of the most profound hatred (the hatred of the powerless), that is, to “only those who suffer are good; the poor, the powerless, the low are the only good people; the suffering, those in need, the sick, the ugly are also the only pious people; only they are blessed by God; for them alone there is salvation.”

    A lot of people who think they know Nietzsche have never read him…

    • Replies: @Dmitry134564
    @Dr. X

    Nietzsche: "The whole problem of the Jews exists only in nation states, for here their energy and higher intelligence, their accumulated capital of spirit and will, gathered from generation to generation through a long schooling in suffering, must become so preponderant as to arouse mass envy and hatred. In almost all contemporary nations, therefore - in direct proportion to the degree to which they act up nationalistically - the literary obscenity of leading the Jews to slaughter as scapegoats of every conceivable public and internal misfortune is spreading."

  190. @KM32
    I had this argument with my SJW teenager yesterday. "So, in another year, when people notice that Jefferson also owned slaves, and a movement starts to rid the National Mall of the Jefferson Memorial, what then?"

    This brought a shrug. "Maybe it should come down."

    Replies: @Jake, @27 year old, @AM, @L Woods, @george strong, @e, @Rod1963, @Wilkey, @S. Anonyia, @Ed, @Dave Pinsen

    Your teen should apply for an internship at NRO.

  191. @AM
    @Opinionator


    Do you have some numbers?
     
    This is NPR's take on Brazilian slavery: 4 million imported in 300 years.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/11/12/244563532/photos-reveal-harsh-detail-of-brazils-history-with-slavery

    "Slavery in Brazil lasted for 300 years, and it imported some 4 million Africans to the country."

    PBS - Slaves shipped to America -

    "And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That’s right: a tiny percentage."

    Every African here that didn't voluntarily immigrate came from population of less than 400,000. Pretty impressive.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us/

    Can you point us to some sources?
     
    Black slave interviews were a WPA project. :)

    http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/wpa/wpahome.html

    Replies: @Opinionator

    Thank you

  192. @Kylie
    @Desiderius

    "Keep your cool while setting limits and keeping them.

    The contrast with those seducing her will gnaw at the back of her mind."

    I agree--but the contrast gnawing at the back of her mind will not cause her to look favorably on KM32's POV. I think the opposite will occur. You're suggesting he pit coolness, rationality and reasonable limits against feelz. If he does that, the feelz will win. Because that's what the left (composed mostly of unattractive and entitled white women, unmanly white men and blacks) is all about. The last thing these losers want is a reasonable discussion grounded in a factual, historical context. All facts are hate facts to them because the only weapon in their arsenal is irrationality.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    You’re suggesting he pit coolness, rationality and reasonable limits against feelz.

    Nope.

    I’m suggesting he pit dominance against desperation. If he’d been doing that all along, his wife would already be on the same page.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Desiderius

    Okay. Got it.

  193. @Desiderius
    @Kylie


    You’re suggesting he pit coolness, rationality and reasonable limits against feelz.
     
    Nope.

    I'm suggesting he pit dominance against desperation. If he'd been doing that all along, his wife would already be on the same page.

    Replies: @Kylie

    Okay. Got it.

  194. “As we all know by now, settling America was easy. America is a nation of immigrants, not of settlers. The real achievement was immigrating to the Lower East Side around 1900.”

    That’s exactly the mentality I encountered in the Washington Post yesterday, when I dared to affirm that Americans have a right to determine who comes to their country. I even had to explain that it wasn’t even a country until after the Founders made it one.

  195. @dearieme
    WKPD:

    In 1787, Hemings, aged 14, accompanied Jefferson's youngest daughter Mary ("Polly") to London and then to Paris, where the widowed Jefferson, aged 44 at the time, was serving as the United States Minister to France. Hemings spent two years there. It is believed by most historians that Jefferson began a sexual relationship with Hemings in France or soon after their return to Monticello.

    Fourteen? I hadn't known that. Oh dear, Mr Jefferson.

    Replies: @anon, @Anon, @syonredux, @Alden, @Alden, @gregor

    “Believed by most historians” = no actual evidence.

    The DNA test “proving” the Sally Hemings affair was done on a descendant of Sally’s son Eston who was born in 1808 when Thomas Jefferson was 64. The test indicated a Y chromosome match, suggesting the father was from the Jefferson line, but not necessarily Thomas. (His brother Randolph, for example, who was younger and had a reputation for socializing with the slaves, is another candidate.) From there, it’s just assumed TJ was the father of *all* her children. You have to make several leaps to claim he was schtupping a 14 year old slave. But when defaming the founders, it’s best to err on the side of scandal.

    In the build up to the bulldozing of the Jefferson monument, I bet Rolling Stone will publish a newly discovered account of the Jeffersons gangraping Sally on shards of broken glass.

    The Jefferson bros entered the slave quarters swigging beers and exchanging high fives.

    “Grab its motherf***ing leg,” she heard a voice say. And that’s when Sally knew she going to be raped …

  196. @Alden
    @TomSchmidt

    Schmidt? What about your German ancestors who came charging out of Central Asia 10,000 years ago to conquer the Celts of Europe and ended up conquering the Roman Empire for yourselves?

    Go do penance for that dreadful crime of genocide.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Well, the Romans did kill Christ, so they kinda had it coming.

  197. @Alden
    @dearieme

    They all came back from Paris when Sally was 16. She was pregnant, near term with her first child who was born and died shortly after they arrived back in the US.

    And while in Paris, she was nanny to his younger daughter and companion to the older daughter of Jefferson.

    One would think he would keep his teenage girl friend separate from his teenage daughter. Oh well

    Replies: @Jack D, @gregor

    I believe the source for that is a memoir from 1873 written by Madison Hemings, a son born in 1805, well after the return from Paris.

  198. @Ex-banker
    Slightly off-topic, but the Erdeley quote is weirdly reminiscent of one by Frank Deford that appeared in his 1979 story on UVa (one of many that were highlighted upon his death earlier this year.

    Deford:
    There is always the sense that he'll be back in minute, that he just went down to the apothecary, or is over at the Sunoco station, kicking whitewalls.

    Erdeley:
    Thomas Jefferson, whose lore is so powerfully woven into everyday UVA life that you practically expect to glimpse the man still walking the grounds in his waistcoat and pantaloons.

    Hardly an egregious example of plagiarism, but an example of how unoriginal Erdeley is as a writer.

    It's hard to imagine the Deford piece being written today without all kinds of handwringing about the evil, racist past of the school and its founder

    https://www.si.com/vault/1980/09/15/106775470/its-virginiaaaa

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Erdeley must have smirked as she described Jefferson wearing “pantaloons.” Ha ha–funny word! Take that, Jefferson, you dead white male, you! Of course, what he actually wore would be called knee breeches, but what could a Borscht Belt comic do with that?

  199. @AM
    @KM32


    This brought a shrug. “Maybe it should come down.”
     
    Did you get past this point? It's possible to keep going.

    When the only virtue is equality and slave holding (which was a shockingly universal labor type before the industrial revolution) is now the "duh, how could they do that? It's stupid and evil", unfortunately, there's nothing but a sea of evil hypocrites left in the Founding Fathers. How society is now interacting with itself is being extended into the past.

    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn't stop importing Africans because they couldn't stop killing them. Africans multiplied here, presumably because slaveholders took reasonable care of them.

    Pull out the story of Moses - point out how quite often slavery ends up being a consensual relationship. The people freed from slavery never got the promised land, because in the end they wanted to go back to slavery. You can find interviews of the last American black slaves and they'll say very similar things - slavery was better than the labor arrangements afterwards.

    Bring complexity to the "slavery is bad" narrative. Add the very real complexity of human slavery throughout time. That might help still the SJW instincts in your teenager.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Harry Baldwin, @Neil Templeton

    I read a journalist’s account of the gold rush of the 1890s in the Yukon. One of the prospectors he met was a freed slave who was hoping to find gold so he could pay off his old master’s mortgage.

    How many people today can even entertain the possibility that master and slave could have a loving friendship?

  200. @Nobody Special
    Congress should just put this law up for a vote and see where liberals and conservatives really stand on this issue:

    "If someone is proven to have said something xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, anti-Semitic, sexist, or anything else falling under the category of bigotry or discrimination, that person shall become henceforth outside the law. He, she, or xir can be assaulted, raped, tortured or murdered by anyone who so pleases without reprisal. Their property is forfeit to anyone who wishes to take it, vandalize it, burn it to the ground, whatever. They may no longer be employed, and no business, charity, or individual can provide them any goods or services. All honors or titles that person received before being caught out as a bigot are hereafter null and void, and shall be erased from the public record. The bigot will not be allowed a funeral or be interred in any cemetery, but shall simply be cast to the dogs and pigs upon death. If anyone is caught speaking to them or interacting with them in any positive fashion, they too shall be subject to the consequences of this law."

    Replies: @Dee, @Harry Baldwin

    Lindsay Graham would vote “yeth.”

  201. @Abe
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel


    Who are the Durham whites who participated? They are not Southerners, they are the third/fourth generation of the Great Migration out of white ethnic neighborhoods that was engineered after WWII
     
    A while back I complimented another poster for a pithy name for this sort of anti-White White Person bigotry- 'hijacked white body'.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    Look, it’s not bigotry… these people have no roots and need an identity… I am a white ethnic migrant myself. Boston to Austin via New Jersey… I’ve been to RTP a lot
    They need an identity and they need to work… so adopting the dominant zeitgeist makes sense, but it is untenable long term. The intellectual incoherence of the “coalition of the fringes” plays out even worse in a neighborhood than in a comments section.
    They will move out of their lofts once kids come or they will stay and demand a crack down on black crime, just like in every gentrified place ever.
    But conversations about reality get banned and learning comes via suffering instead of past experience…

  202. @AM
    @KM32


    This brought a shrug. “Maybe it should come down.”
     
    Did you get past this point? It's possible to keep going.

    When the only virtue is equality and slave holding (which was a shockingly universal labor type before the industrial revolution) is now the "duh, how could they do that? It's stupid and evil", unfortunately, there's nothing but a sea of evil hypocrites left in the Founding Fathers. How society is now interacting with itself is being extended into the past.

    African slavery in the US was mild in comparison to Brazil which couldn't stop importing Africans because they couldn't stop killing them. Africans multiplied here, presumably because slaveholders took reasonable care of them.

    Pull out the story of Moses - point out how quite often slavery ends up being a consensual relationship. The people freed from slavery never got the promised land, because in the end they wanted to go back to slavery. You can find interviews of the last American black slaves and they'll say very similar things - slavery was better than the labor arrangements afterwards.

    Bring complexity to the "slavery is bad" narrative. Add the very real complexity of human slavery throughout time. That might help still the SJW instincts in your teenager.

    Replies: @Opinionator, @Harry Baldwin, @Neil Templeton

    In my experience, many teenagers feel like slaves. If only aging slaves could feel like teenagers.

  203. @epebble
    @syonredux

    This is how Kevin Williamson at National Review describes protesters like Cvjetanovic:

    ... A Charlottesville protester named Nicholas J. Fuentes, raging against the “rootless transnational elite,” vows: “You will not replace us.” I have reviewed the passenger manifest of the Mayflower, and there is not a single “Fuentes” to be found. Indeed, the rowdier white-power element in Texas, where I live, would very much like to see every man bearing the name “Fuentes” set down on the southerly side of a muddy little river that runs through Laredo. Peter Cvjetanovic, the 20-year-old rage-monkey bellowing in one of the now-famous photos of the tiki-Nazi procession in Virginia, complains: “I’m not the angry racist they see in that photo.” One hopes not: “Cvjetanović” is a Croat name. Not a whole lot of Slavs on the Mayflower, either,



    and the originators of that swastika flag the angry white boys in Virginia like to fly would have put every Cvjetanović they could lay hands on in a camp, eventually. Benito Mussolini reported that he himself had been impressed by a protest against “Jugo-Slav” immigrants in Italy. Fuentes? Cvjetanović? As Rachel Dolezal knows, white people just ain’t what they used to be. What does an angry white boy really want? “A girlfriend,” comes the mocking answer, and there’s probably more to that than mockery. The proprietor of one of the nation’s premier websites for neo-Nazi knuckleheads advised his colleagues in Charlottesville that, after the protest — which included a murder — “random girls will want to have sex with you.” I ran this proposition past a few random girls, and I suspect that the apfelstrudelführers are going to go home disappointed. There are many shades of white, and Mom’s-basement white is the least popular crayon in the box. Of course we should mock them, criticize them, lament them, and, in the case of James Alex Fields Jr., the trust-funder from Ohio charged in the death of Heather Heyer, prosecute them. What does James Alex Fields Jr. want? A transcript of a 911 call from his mother describes him beating her after she told him to stop playing a particular video game. She is disabled and uses a wheelchair. That wasn’t the only 911 call she made in fear of her son. The angry white boys do not have a serious political agenda. They don’t have any straightforward demands like the Teamsters or PETA do, and they do not have a well-developed ideological position like the Communists do, though it would be inaccurate to say that they lack an ideology entirely. Their agenda is their anger, an anger that is difficult to understand. Middle-class white men in the United States of America in anno Domini 2017 have their problems, to be sure. Life is full of little disappointments. But their motive is not to be found in their exterior circumstances, which are pretty good. Maybe too good: A great many of these young men have an interest in evolutionary psychology and evolutionary sociology — they like to think of themselves as “alpha males,” as though they were living in a chimpanzee troop — but it never occurs to them to consider their own status as rejects and failed men in that context. Online fantasy lives notwithstanding, random girls do not want to have sex with them. How do we know this? Because they are carrying tiki torches in a giant dork parade in Charlottesville. There’s no prom queen waiting at home. If we credit their own sociobiological model, they are the superfluous males who would have been discarded, along with their genetic material, by the pitiless state of nature. The fantasy of proving that they are something else is why they dream of violence and confrontation. They are the products of the soft liberal-democratic society they hold in contempt — and upon which they depend, utterly. James Alex Fields Jr. is angry at the world, and angry at his mother, probably for the same reason. What does an angry white boy want? The fact that they get together to play dress-up — to engage in a large and sometimes murderous game of cowboys and Indians — may give us our answer. They want to be someone other than who they are. That’s the great irony of identity politics: They seek identity in the tribe because they are failed individuals. They are a chain composed exclusively of weak links. What they are engaged in isn’t politics, but theater: play-acting in the hopes of achieving catharsis. Their online personas — knights, Vikings, reincarnations of Charles Martel — will be familiar enough to anybody with a Dungeons and Dragons nerd in his life. But sometimes, role-playing around a card table isn’t enough: Sometimes, you need a stage and an audience. In the theater, actors and audience both can forget ourselves for an hour or two. Under the soft glow of the tiki torches, these angry white boys can be something else — for a night. In the morning, they wake up with the same faces. And there is something in the faces. James Alex Fields Jr. has more than a little whiff of Dylann Roof about him, and we know what Dylann Roof wanted: to murder black people. Sometimes, it is worth taking angry white boys at their word.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450501/white-nationalists-alt-right-vague-grievances-what-do-they-want

    Replies: @Alden, @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    Wow. So the blind anger of a large group of males should be mocked and dismissed?
    The Return of the Repressed happens and it’s always ugly.
    What ass would make this diagnosis and then advocate a solution that guarantees a harsh reaction?
    Sounds like a guy embarrassed of his past who”made it” according to the current rules and wants to make sure that everyone else has to as well…

  204. @Dr. X

    Why the ever-increasing hatred for America’s past?
     
    Why, indeed?

    America is increasingly dominated by people with shallow roots in this country. So it’s hardly surprising that they find it insulting to reflect upon what Americans not related to them once accomplished.
     
    Well, that may be one reason, but I don't think it's the best explanation. The U.S. assimilated large numbers of Irish, Italians, and Poles with "shallow roots" when Ellis Island was open, and those people embraced the likes of Washington and Jefferson as their own. I am "not related" to any of the Founders -- my lineage is Eastern European. But I find myself constantly reflecting on how brilliant they were.

    No, I think the best explanation for the present America-hate is the one given by Nietzsche -- it's the politics of ressentiment, or resentment.

    Nietzsche drew a distinction between "master-morality" and "slave-morality." "A living thing," wrote Nietzsche, "seeks to exert its strength." People of superior intellect, strength, creativity and willpower create nations and make history. They define morality in their own image, for they are the masters.

    The weak, the stupid, and the losers embrace slave morality -- that is, they resent and object to anything that the masters create. It is based upon envy and the knowledge that they are inferior.

    Nietzsche argued that Jews and feminists were the primary transmitters of slave morality. The only way they could exert power was to gin up resentment, envy and hate to bring down the intelligent, the creative, and the powerful.

    And that's EXACTLY what we see happening today. Who are the "antifa," tearing down statues of great men, but a collection of self-loathing freaks? Fat, tattooed women with purple hair, "transgenders," 80-IQ blacks, scrawny beta-cucks and gays, and neckbeards with dark-rimmed "smart" glasses on college campuses. They're incited by the ideas of Jewish Frankfurt School academics and Jewish feminists like Susan Sontag and Shulamith Firestone, which are now 100% mainstream in intellectual circles. They hate America and hate its Founders because they every time they look in the mirror know damn well they are incapable of matching up to a Jefferson, a Washington, a Lee, an Edison, a Ford, a Carnegie, a Wright or a Yeager.

    The hatred is based on envy and the knowledge of one's inferiority when standing in the shadows of giants.

    Replies: @Mark Caplan, @Dmitry134564

    Your understanding of Nietzsche is limited to say the best.

  205. @Dr. X
    @Mark Caplan


    is that right? I know Nietzsche held up Christianity as the quintisential example of slave morality. Judaism doesn’t have turn the other cheek, resist not evil in it’s doctrine.
     
    From Beyond Good and Evil:

    "The Jews have brought off that miraculous feat of an inversion of values, thanks to which life on earth has acquired a novel and dangerous attraction for a couple of millennia. … Their prophets…were the first to use the word ‘world’ as a term of contempt. This inversion of values…constitutes the significance of the Jewish people: they mark the beginning of the slave rebellion in morals."

    "Let us briefly consider the greatest example. Everything on earth which has been done against “the noble,” “the powerful,” “the masters,” “the rulers” is not worth mentioning in comparison with what the Jews have done against them: the Jews, that priestly people, who knew how to get final satisfaction from their enemies and conquerors through a radical transformation of their values, that is, through an act of the most spiritual revenge. This was appropriate only to a priestly people with the most deeply repressed priestly desire for revenge. In opposition to the aristocratic value equations (good = noble = powerful = beautiful = fortunate = loved by god), the Jews, with an awe-inspiring consistency, dared to reverse things and to hang on to that with the teeth of the most profound hatred (the hatred of the powerless), that is, to “only those who suffer are good; the poor, the powerless, the low are the only good people; the suffering, those in need, the sick, the ugly are also the only pious people; only they are blessed by God; for them alone there is salvation."

    A lot of people who think they know Nietzsche have never read him...

    Replies: @Dmitry134564

    Nietzsche: “The whole problem of the Jews exists only in nation states, for here their energy and higher intelligence, their accumulated capital of spirit and will, gathered from generation to generation through a long schooling in suffering, must become so preponderant as to arouse mass envy and hatred. In almost all contemporary nations, therefore – in direct proportion to the degree to which they act up nationalistically – the literary obscenity of leading the Jews to slaughter as scapegoats of every conceivable public and internal misfortune is spreading.”

  206. @Anon
    @dearieme

    Jefferson had his good points, (see the Declaration of Independence) but he also had his bad ones, and they were plentiful. As governer of Virginia, he ran away like a coward when the British attacked, and he failed to organize Virginia properly for its defense. He didn't have a clue about war. Yet he had the nerve to go after Hamilton who actually fought in the army. Jefferson did all he could to make Hamilton's job as Secretary of the Treasury a pain, even though it was Hamilton's advice and hard work that got the fledgling government on its feet. Jefferson was never grateful that Hamilton helped win Jefferson the presidential election, either. Forget the stupid musical. If you've read Chernow's book, you become aware that the country would not have been able to function in its early days as a working governmental structure without Hamilton.

    Jefferson, we didn't need so much. Jefferson could be petty and spiteful. His greatest virtue was not being incompetant in office, and he may have served the country better by being nothing more than a dilettantish country squire tinkering with things. Madison also ran away like a coward when the British came a-calling in 1812, and he had no idea how to organize the militia either, and he was even more spiteful and petty than Jefferson, but he earned his legitimate place in history by doing a lot of hefting lifting when it came to the Constitution.

    Replies: @dearieme

    “Jefferson had his good points, (see the Declaration of Independence) …”: there we disagree. I see it as a seedy, mendacious advertising flyer, an obvious inspiration for Alinsky. The contrast with the Constitution – a most impressive document – is stark. It’s a pity that y’all can’t live up to the Constitution but that’s mankind for you.

  207. @Irish Paleo
    Another thought provoking article. Well done.

    A recent topic of iSteve discourse has been the question of whether there are O'Brien or Mustapha Mond-type figures within the elite who know who they are or what they're doing or whether they are as vapid inside as they are on the surface. The retconning of the past and the bizarre revisions we are seeing of history (e.g. Andrew Jackson - bad, Alexander Hamilton - good) leave me asking whether it is possible that, like the Inner Party in 1984 or the Alpha Double Plus caste in Brave New World, the elites really are string pullers who are beholding the mischief they've wrought and feeling satisfied that its all going to plan. My own instinctive answer is almost precisely halfway between an unqualified yes and an unqualified no. Consider the following:

    1. There's clearly been a paradigm shift in the "equality" and "social justice" agendas. In addition to generally becoming madder and more unhinged, which is more or less par for the course, a bizarre pattern seems to be emerging (which has been amply chronicled on this blog) whereby the more historically remote any real legal and institutional impediments to the advancement of women and non-whites becomes, the more embarrassing it has become to them and their sponsors that the principal indices of high status and achievement are still dominated by white males. This, almost by definition, requires hard-boiled equality ideologues to spin ever more bizarre and unbalanced yarns to explain why their utopia has yet to arrive.

    2. One of these manifestations has been an increasing resentment of the fact that the history of civilisationally consequential achievement has been so predominantly white and male. In an atmosphere in which there was a broader expectation that the future would differ from the past, this resentment could never reach fever pitch but the last 20 years have been sufficiently disappointing that it represents quite a predictable traumatic response. Equally predictable is that a predominantly white and male establishment would seek to:

    (a) point that resentment in sterile directions that will not harm it; and

    (b) use it to advance its own agenda where possible.

    3. As the SJWs go from asking questions which are respectably current or prospective such as why there aren't more black CEOs or women coders, to why nothing has been written about the women who signed the Declaration of Independence or the Africans who invented penicillin, the establishment seems, at least on some level, to have concluded that indulging the appetite for "diversity" porn is safer to pursue in the theatres of history (i.e. stuff that happened in the past), celluloid (i.e. stuff that never happened at all) and the social science faculties (stuff that happens outside the real world) than in something like business, finance or systems science research:

    (a) which is real and current;

    (b) which matters a whole lot; and

    (c) in which the consequences of "diversity"-induced screw ups are enormous and reverberative (#OscarsSoWhite may be irritating as hell but to the average Davos denizen #GoldmanSachsSoWhite would be infinitely worse).

    4. The logic isn't hard to understand. If we have to start engaging in pretences such as that Neil deGrasse Tyson is somehow the equal of Stephen Hawking or Sir Andrew Wiles or that Franklin Raines is as competent a financier as John Paulson or that Susan Rice is the academic equal of Samuel Huntington, the real-world consequences will be devastating and perhaps uncontrollable. On the other hand, there is, at the very least, a superficial attractiveness to instead:

    (a) allowing the likes of Lin Manuel Miranda to pretend that Alexander Hamilton was black or that George Washington was a trannie or that John Quincy Adams was some kind of Gentile Yentl;

    (b) pretending that George Washington Carver was as consequential a scientist as Albert Einstein;

    (c) making movies that depict Charlize Theron as having the upper body strength of Arnie in his prime; and/or

    (d) giving affirmative action hires like Henry Louis Gates and Cornell West pseudo-academic sinecures and pretending that their positions are somehow equivalent to those of, say, Lawrence Tribe or Bruce Fein.

    So hence, the establishment has thrown its weight behind a bizarre plot to apply affirmative action to the past, to fantasy and to parts of reality that don't matter very much (like African American Studies Departments). The questions is thus: will it work?

    5. Guessing from their last project (making Obama the president), the answer is no. The whole idea behind Obama (and his designated female successor Kamala Harris) was that by getting a part-black exotic who was properly acculturated into white liberal norms and making him president, they could somehow induce blacks to stop feeling resentment at their embarrassing achievement deficit relative to whites and Asians (which, thanks to affirmative action and redistributive programmes, is far larger than the equivalent wealth and income gap). It didn't work because:

    (a) blacks and other economically unsuccessful groups seem to have a sort of "cargo cult" belief when it comes to wealth and achievement, that they are somehow prizes allocated to people of certain ethnicities based on their political power;

    (b) as a result of (a) above, blacks believed that having one of their own in power would result in a gusher of money, jobs and prizes coming their way;

    (c) (b) didn't happen (in spite of Obama's best efforts) because that's not how the world works;

    (d) the election of Obama left blacks emboldened but bitterly disappointed (which, historically, is a dangerous combination); and

    (e) Obama, Holder and Lynch, with their petulant anti-white fixations fanned the flames instead of coming out with their scripted bromides about reconciliation.

    6. This leads me to believe that this move to retcon the history of human achievement will backfire horribly. If you are Elon Musk or Haim Saban, it might seem that getting women and non-whites to argue over who gets credit for achievements of the past or the heroic roles in action movies is a good distraction from attempts to asset strip the most valuable pieces of the western economy out of resentment and jealousy. However, the historical record of Obama-tokenism indicates that the new tokenism will have the same effect. As the likes of Lin Manuel Miranda and the makers of Mad Max movies steal achievements and plaudits from the respective realms of history and reality and allow the "emerging" and "diverse" western world that has little prospect of ever achieving much of its own to wallow in its fantasy of success in proportion to its numbers, it seems likely that:

    (a) the "diverse" masses will look at the increasing gap between the image that popular culture projects of them as repositories of "vibrancy" and "brilliance" and the squalid reality of ghetto blasters, foodstamps, 7-11 jobs and tubs of Ben & Jerry's in lieu of boyfriends and conclude what they always do (namely that the white man is screwing them over);

    (b) the heightened anger resulting from the foregoing will invest the mobs of unemployable rioters and professional agitators with more de facto political power; and

    (c) they will demand more de jure political (and economic) power (and the prestige that goes with it) so that a lucky few of them can feel like the characters they read about in doctored history books (like black Hamilton) or see in trashy movies (like Wonder Woman or Mad Max).

    7. A world run by the coalition of the "diverse" will, of course, be much less competently run than it is now and, much like Detroit and South Africa, infrastructure and social capital will disintegrate. Of course, non-whites are, as history shows, far more reliant on the competent operation of shared frameworks and large institutions like government bodies and multinationals, which means that whites will inevitably adapt better to the emerging chaos (with their independent businesses and gated communities) than non-whites and the race gap in wealth and income (and, in all probability, the sex gap as well) will rise rather than fall and the "diverse" will become even more resentful and (perhaps) even more inclined to blame white males. In such an environment, I don't fancy the chances of even the wily manipulators that Musk, Saban et al truly are.

    8. If Donald Trump successfully puts a stop to this cultural rot then, rather than the populist agitator that he is currently portrayed as being, history will remember him as a plutocratic hero - a far-sighted (and fairly underlyingly conventional) member of the elite who was the first to see the Genesis of his class's coming downfall and had the vision and wisdom to be the first of its number to do something to prevent it.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    4. The logic isn’t hard to understand. If we have to start engaging in pretences such as that Neil deGrasse Tyson is somehow the equal of Stephen Hawking or Sir Andrew Wiles or that Franklin Raines is as competent a financier as John Paulson or that Susan Rice is the academic equal of Samuel Huntington, the real-world consequences will be devastating and perhaps uncontrollable. On the other hand, there is, at the very least, a superficial attractiveness to instead:

    Can you tell me who has ever made any of these assertions?

    (d) giving affirmative action hires like Henry Louis Gates and Cornell West pseudo-academic sinecures and pretending that their positions are somehow equivalent to those of, say, Lawrence Tribe or Bruce Fein.

    Tribe’s a con man and Fein’s a crank and neither one is a historian or a comparative religion maven, so no clue why these are your standards of comparison. West is an example of talent squandered on producing theorrhea and too prideful ever to acknowledge that and produce something better. Gates more likely is someone who in a normal situation would be teaching at the U. Mass Lowell or some such recruited by Harvard because Harvard just has to have mascots.

  208. @ChrisZ
    @LondonBob

    LondonBob, re: demonizing icons of the left:

    The lowest-hanging fruit has to be former (as in dead) West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd. Former grand kleagle (whatever) of the Ku Klux Klan, namesake of half the monuments in his home state, lionized by Dems up through his death in 2010. Practically a cartoon of a good-old-boy politician on the take.

    Best of all, a lot of current Liberals in politics and the press are on record praising him to high heaven (usually as some kind of "constitutional expert" standing up to Republican judicial nominees).

    It should have been easy to tar him and his friends with his Klan background, demand Byrd's name be stricken from a dozen elementary schools. But the GOP were/are too flaccid to even try. It's a little late, but a takedown of Byrd's legacy would be a shot across the bow of lefty pols who dream of having their names immortalized on a post office; a baby step in establishing a "balance of terror."

    Replies: @Art Deco

    It’s proper to attack Byrd. Everything named for him is a consequence of his self-aggrandizing patronage distribution. He had no accomplishments outside of getting and holding political office (something he did from age 29 until his death at age 92). His Klan organizing in 1942 was very odd. The 2d incarnation of the Klan largely evaporated after 1930 and had nearly disappeared by 1942. (It formally dissolved in 1944). West Virginia hasn’t many blacks and racial questions don’t generally take up much rent-free space in the heads of upland Southerners. National Democratic pols lied through their teeth in 2010 insisting his Klan activity was necessary to get elected. Neither his predecessor in the Senate nor the chap serving alongside him were antagonists of the blacks; I think Byrd may have been the only member of Congress from West Virginia in the post-war period who was.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    @Art Deco

    Appreciate the information, Art. I was surprised to notice today that the name Robert Byrd is trending on search engines; evidently there's more than one public figure of that name, but I saw plenty of new links to the late senator (D-KKK) as well. Maybe there's some momentum building at last? Let's help it along.

  209. I have developed, through three books, a psychoanalytic way of looking at this (see https://www.amazon.com/Howard-S.-Schwartz/e/B001KHRKBO/). Psychoanalysis does not go over very well these days, but some may be interested. The key to these phenomena is an identification between the actual mother and the fantasy of an omnipotent mother that exists in the mind of the infant. Committing this identification, the actual mother hates and despises the father. He has claimed her love on the basis of his achievements, but compared to what she could have accomplished, if she had not been stifled, the father created nothing of value, but only artifacts of oppression. So he has not earned her love, but stolen it, and specifically stolen it from those deprived of love in the past; the oppressed: blacks, homosexuals, etc. The program of life for all good people is to hate the father for his theft and love the oppressed in compensation. That tells you all you need to know about the university curriculum. Under this interpretation, the Founding Fathers have been the implicit target all along, the others being warm-up acts. They are goners.

  210. @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonym


    William Jefferson Clinton is named after him – the left are truly eating their own.
     
    Yes, but it was that scum bag grifter pussy hound BJC who publicized the "affair" between TJ and Sally Hemmings. And he did it just to distract people from his own hound dogging.

    I hope he enjoys the same circle of Hell as Teddy Kennedy. A brilliant politician, but a vile human being.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Harry Baldwin

    I hope he enjoys the same circle of Hell as Teddy Kennedy. A brilliant politician, but a vile human being.

    I am no great fan of WJC but he is a president that most of the voting population remember living under. It’s not like he is FDR. Hence why this kind of surprises me, or rather, why I find it remarkable. This harkens back to the cell phone throwing incident of Bill’s. Democrats are basically now the party of “F*** white people!”. There is no future for white people in the Democrat party other than koolaid drinkers. And yet it is virtually impossible for them to ditch identity politics at this point.

    I hated BJC at the time but frankly Reagan did more long-term damage with amnesty than Clinton. In fact would Bill have come to power without Reagan’s amnesty?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Anonym

    In fact would Bill have come to power without Reagan’s amnesty?

    Illegal aliens putting in their paperwork in 1987 were not voting in large numbers 5 years later (and they did not manage to keep the Congress for the Democrats in 1994). The 1992 election was odd (the voters decisively rejected a satisfactory if imperfect head of state who had some accomplishments in favor of an oleageanous lounge lizard. One had been a combat veteran who founded his own business and built a family with a great lady. The other was an honest-to-god draft dodger who'd nursed at the higher education teat for three years and spent the rest in elective office; betwixt and between cadging blowjobs, he married an unscrupulous shrew who produced a single campaign prop child for him. The whole sequence of events made no sense except as an act of vandalism by a bored electorate. (Post hoc polling suggested Bush would have lost whether Mr. Perot was present or not).

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Anonymous

  211. @Anonym
    @Jim Don Bob

    I hope he enjoys the same circle of Hell as Teddy Kennedy. A brilliant politician, but a vile human being.

    I am no great fan of WJC but he is a president that most of the voting population remember living under. It's not like he is FDR. Hence why this kind of surprises me, or rather, why I find it remarkable. This harkens back to the cell phone throwing incident of Bill's. Democrats are basically now the party of "F*** white people!". There is no future for white people in the Democrat party other than koolaid drinkers. And yet it is virtually impossible for them to ditch identity politics at this point.

    I hated BJC at the time but frankly Reagan did more long-term damage with amnesty than Clinton. In fact would Bill have come to power without Reagan's amnesty?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    In fact would Bill have come to power without Reagan’s amnesty?

    Illegal aliens putting in their paperwork in 1987 were not voting in large numbers 5 years later (and they did not manage to keep the Congress for the Democrats in 1994). The 1992 election was odd (the voters decisively rejected a satisfactory if imperfect head of state who had some accomplishments in favor of an oleageanous lounge lizard. One had been a combat veteran who founded his own business and built a family with a great lady. The other was an honest-to-god draft dodger who’d nursed at the higher education teat for three years and spent the rest in elective office; betwixt and between cadging blowjobs, he married an unscrupulous shrew who produced a single campaign prop child for him. The whole sequence of events made no sense except as an act of vandalism by a bored electorate. (Post hoc polling suggested Bush would have lost whether Mr. Perot was present or not).

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Art Deco

    Damn, AD! I wish I hadn't just used my Agree button. That's some vitriol! And spot on!

    , @Anonymous
    @Art Deco

    It was the recession. A lot of people were hurting early 1990s. Clinton promised to do something about it. That's all.

  212. @Art Deco
    @Anonym

    In fact would Bill have come to power without Reagan’s amnesty?

    Illegal aliens putting in their paperwork in 1987 were not voting in large numbers 5 years later (and they did not manage to keep the Congress for the Democrats in 1994). The 1992 election was odd (the voters decisively rejected a satisfactory if imperfect head of state who had some accomplishments in favor of an oleageanous lounge lizard. One had been a combat veteran who founded his own business and built a family with a great lady. The other was an honest-to-god draft dodger who'd nursed at the higher education teat for three years and spent the rest in elective office; betwixt and between cadging blowjobs, he married an unscrupulous shrew who produced a single campaign prop child for him. The whole sequence of events made no sense except as an act of vandalism by a bored electorate. (Post hoc polling suggested Bush would have lost whether Mr. Perot was present or not).

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Anonymous

    Damn, AD! I wish I hadn’t just used my Agree button. That’s some vitriol! And spot on!

  213. @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonym


    William Jefferson Clinton is named after him – the left are truly eating their own.
     
    Yes, but it was that scum bag grifter pussy hound BJC who publicized the "affair" between TJ and Sally Hemmings. And he did it just to distract people from his own hound dogging.

    I hope he enjoys the same circle of Hell as Teddy Kennedy. A brilliant politician, but a vile human being.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Harry Baldwin

    I’m not a fan of George Will, but he described Bill Clinton aptly: “He wasn’t the worst president, but he was the worst man to ever be president.”

  214. @Art Deco
    @Anonym

    In fact would Bill have come to power without Reagan’s amnesty?

    Illegal aliens putting in their paperwork in 1987 were not voting in large numbers 5 years later (and they did not manage to keep the Congress for the Democrats in 1994). The 1992 election was odd (the voters decisively rejected a satisfactory if imperfect head of state who had some accomplishments in favor of an oleageanous lounge lizard. One had been a combat veteran who founded his own business and built a family with a great lady. The other was an honest-to-god draft dodger who'd nursed at the higher education teat for three years and spent the rest in elective office; betwixt and between cadging blowjobs, he married an unscrupulous shrew who produced a single campaign prop child for him. The whole sequence of events made no sense except as an act of vandalism by a bored electorate. (Post hoc polling suggested Bush would have lost whether Mr. Perot was present or not).

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Anonymous

    It was the recession. A lot of people were hurting early 1990s. Clinton promised to do something about it. That’s all.

  215. @Art Deco
    @ChrisZ

    It's proper to attack Byrd. Everything named for him is a consequence of his self-aggrandizing patronage distribution. He had no accomplishments outside of getting and holding political office (something he did from age 29 until his death at age 92). His Klan organizing in 1942 was very odd. The 2d incarnation of the Klan largely evaporated after 1930 and had nearly disappeared by 1942. (It formally dissolved in 1944). West Virginia hasn't many blacks and racial questions don't generally take up much rent-free space in the heads of upland Southerners. National Democratic pols lied through their teeth in 2010 insisting his Klan activity was necessary to get elected. Neither his predecessor in the Senate nor the chap serving alongside him were antagonists of the blacks; I think Byrd may have been the only member of Congress from West Virginia in the post-war period who was.

    Replies: @ChrisZ

    Appreciate the information, Art. I was surprised to notice today that the name Robert Byrd is trending on search engines; evidently there’s more than one public figure of that name, but I saw plenty of new links to the late senator (D-KKK) as well. Maybe there’s some momentum building at last? Let’s help it along.

  216. @AM
    @Lot


    You think I’d be on this site if antisemitism hurt my feelings?
     
    Then why the unnecessary snide comment?

    He was fair. Let it go.


    And the way to do that divide whites into philo and antisemite camps by harping on JQ? How has that worked out historically? How is that working out today?
     
    You don't want a real answer to this question. When whites unite behind antisemitism, they get things done and usually the worst thing that can happen to Jews is they get asked to leave. At this point in time, there's a very nice, developed country that's all Jewish just waiting. You can make very succinct case that the Brits became a world power by throwing out most of the Jews at the right time. And the Dutch did not because they were too tolerant. Certainly the last generation of Brits that were not total wussies weren't bothered by their antisemitism.

    The only time it backfired was actually when the Germans, those ultra perfectionists on all things theological and political, lost their flipping minds. The Holocaust is very much an event of a particular time and place.

    And unfortunately, countries that keep/allow Jewish influence can find themselves very divided. CNN has no interest in middle America or it's unity because it's now a Jewish organization. And the Germans were not wrong to look back and the Weirmar republic and be frustrated with the divisiveness of Jewish communist groups and media at the time. The Germans took it too far..way too far..but the initial impulse and frustration was certainly understandable.

    So you can try to understand and correct the situation from the American POV, in whatever small capacity you can, or you can make snide remarks about Henry Ford. Up to you.

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    Tard, England’s power peaked in the Victorian era which was so philosemetic that it had one Jewish PM and another one married to a Jew.

    “So you can try to understand and correct the situation from the American POV,”

    The people who agree with your “American POV” are Muslims, obese lefty BDS bluehairs, and Nazi cosplayers. As Don says, they are a disgrace.

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  217. Two questions:

    1) Is there any real evidence of Jefferson’s “jungle fever”? The DNA tests just roughly pointed to some male in his bloodline, correct? True or not, I will be interested in the leftist logic of taking down his likeness (which I say is a good as any time for a nuclear winter. Isn’t that what the “shame!” chanting Game of Thrones fans have been waiting for this entire time; winter?).

    2) Has anyone read or heard of any comments from Tom Wolfe or Jim Webb on the Southern statue vandalism?

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