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Pundits are using the Crisis to call for abolishing for all eternity whatever is their pet peeve. Here’s my contribution to this genre: Let’s knock off with hugging as a social greeting. From the New York Times in February:

In Los Angeles, a Hug That Seems to Never (Ever) End
Even in the age of consent, this embrace can last longer than a Scorsese movie.

By Jessica Bennett
Feb. 24, 2020

… “People call me out on this, but people have been putting their hands out to shake — and I’m like, ‘I don’t actually shake hands, can I hug you?’” said Tanya Khani, 30, a publicist in Sherman Oaks and a lifelong Angeleno, who said her hugs typically last between seven and 10 seconds, depending “on how deep you want to drop into it.” …

Ms. Wilson’s friend Jonas Bell Pasht, a film and television producer also from Toronto, said that such embraces have become so much “a part of the nature of” his interactions in Los Angeles that “at a certain point you just go with it.” He noted how that had been the case recently, at a pitch meeting with six others, each of whom he greeted with a hug — twice.

Instead, we should pull our ponies up 20 feet away from each other, hold our empty right hands up vertically, and say: “How.”

That’s much more dignified.

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  1. tr says: • Website

    Enforcing social distancing is easy when you have a lance in your hand.

    • LOL: Abe
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  2. Sounds like it’s just a Hollywood thing. What’s the problem?

  3. Today’s art critics will never admit it but Remington was as great an impressionist as any Frenchman.

    (One of the key characteristics of Impression is using the complement rather than black to make shadows. So, chromatic opposite of yellow orange is blue violet.)

  4. Anonymous[368] • Disclaimer says:

    Casual, thus promiscuous, hug-greeting is a frequent tool of smarm and the mass feminization/sororitization of society, and thus an abomination in the eyes of Allah

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    , @Anon
    , @Bill B.
  5. moshe says:

    Within communities where social hugs are the accepted norm (rather than the uncomfortably-forced norm) I think they’re great. Like super great.

    Guys and girls saying hi or bye in Spain for example (though no doubt a major cause of the spread of covid19), or guys and guys in Turkey and various mideast cultures.

    Overall, having lived among all kinds of people I can say that I definitely prefer more social hugging.

    Then again, I also oppose interminable isolation Forever Masks so ymmv.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  6. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:

    Also cheek kissing, isn’t there a Seinfeld episode on that?

  7. Only somewhat OT:

    The government announced on Sunday that it would be sending letters to 1.5 million people in England suffering from one of more than a dozen serious conditions which it is believed put them most at risk from coronavirus.

    Around 40% of the group receiving the letters advising them to “take themselves out of society” for at least 12 weeks are aged 75 or older. They will be “strongly advised” to stay at home at all times and avoid face-to-face contact. They should not go out for shopping, leisure or travel and, when arranging food or medication deliveries, these should be left at the door to minimise contact, the letter says.

    • Replies: @DRA
  8. jb says:

    I am in my 60s. When I was quite young, nobody hugged (at least not in the circles my family moved in). I’m not sure exactly when, but I distinctly remember there was a specific point, in my early teens perhaps, when there was a wave of approving articles in the media about how Europeans greeted each other with hugs, and how much warmer this was than the standoffish American custom of shaking hands, and how we should do this too, and shortly afterwards, awkwardly at first, friends who would never have hugged each other before started hugging each other. Does anyone else remember anything like this? I remember because I wasn’t too thrilled with it then, and I’ve remained not too thrilled since then.

  9. I guess I am not the only one thinking that one upside of this is less awkward forced social physical contact forever and ever.

    Jose Canseco and Mark McGwire were decades ahead of this. We should have adopted the bash.

  10. This seems to have worked well for the Japanese …

  11. anon[399] • Disclaimer says:

    All this hugging is just an attempt to copy the Hispanic abrazo. I denounce this cultural appropriation!

    Perhaps we should return to older, more formal means of address.

    No huggum-wuggum needed.

    • Replies: @Smithsonian_2
  12. Zippy says:

    I’m a fan of the Vulcan salute. Live Long, and Prosper.

  13. Ragno says:

    We should pull our ponies up 20 feet away from each other, hold our right hands up, and say: “How.”

    Lot of good that did Liz Warren.

    • LOL: Bubba
  14. danand says:

    “In Los Angeles, a Hug That Seems to Never (Ever) End”

    Who’s hugging more, the Californians ~40M, or those in New York State ~20M:



    A week and a half ago New York had fewer confirmed cases, and fewer deaths, than California. Is New York on its way to becoming the new Italy?

  15. This action–hugging mere acquaintences or work colleagues or people you just met—has the markings of sociopathic behavior.

    The fake camaraderie amongst people who don’t know each other well, the attempt at immediate intimacy, the gesture’s off-puttingness to normal, well adjusted people —all is what sociopaths do in many of their interactions to throw people off or to get close enough to hurt them,

    Given how gloriously degenerate, cutthroat, and evil Hollywood is, this sociopathic hugging is unsurprising.

    • Agree: black sea
    • Replies: @Thatgirl
    , @Mr. Anon
  16. MBlanc46 says:

    Oh, yes. Hearty handshakes between men, less hearty handshakes between men and women (not married to one another). Handshakes or hugs between women, as they choose. Definitely eliminate the handshake/hug between men.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @RadicalCenter
  17. Anon7 says:

    As I wrote in a previous post, I welcome the return of the grave nod.

    • Replies: @Dr. Krieger
  18. Anon55uu says:

    Post Vatican II something called “passing the peace” entered into Catholic worship and quickly spread to anglicans, Lutherans etc. It can vary from handshakes with all strangers within reach to ostentatious hugging of people already known. It’s a real interruption to a service and wholly unnecessary.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @RVBlake
    , @Dan Hayes
    , @Old Prude
  19. I advocate returning to bows for gentlemen, and curtseys for ladies — ever so elegant, and no touching required.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  20. SFG says:
    @william munny

    A lot of people have commented on the internet (natch) that social distancing is kind of fun for introverts.

    • Replies: @anon
  21. BenKenobi says:

    Why so autistic? It’s possible to have a multi-tiered system of greeting people. This is what I typically do:

    Formal/Business greeting with men: firm 1-2 handshake
    Formal/Business greeting with women: light 1-2 handshake

    Greeting/goodbye with male friends: handshake with mutual back-slap
    Greeting/goodbye with male friends’ women: brief (< 2 second) hug

    Greeting/goodbye with women I don't know: polite nod, kind word
    Greeting/goodbye with unattached women I know personally: bear hug, lift from ground

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  22. Mr. Anon says:

    Greetings for the new etiquette?

    Flipping the Bird for informal occasions.

    For formal occasions, grabbing your crotch and taunting “Hey, I got your greeting right here, pal!”

    • LOL: Rob
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @JMcG
  23. Steve —

    In terms of why humidification is so important, a lot of that is explained in the following document, newly published in the last week:

    See especially figures 3 and 4.

    The message is simple: The public needs to humidify indoors to 50% or higher to for the innate mucociliary immune system to work.

    I believe that humidity is a killshot for this virus, which will have remarkable effects for most people.

    This information more than almost any other will increase the respiratory immune system of the public.

    – Daniel Hess

  24. Flip says:

    Prince Charles is going with a Namaste gesture.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    , @tyrone
  25. @william munny

    Jose Canseco and Mark McGwire were decades ahead of this. We should have adopted the bash.

    The Bash Bros and the 80s were so much fucking fun compared to this toilet of a decade:

    • Agree: Neoconned
    • Replies: @Neoconned
    , @william munny
  26. Neoconned says:

    Idk why but I’ve never been 1 for hugs….even w women….if you hug me i assume you want sex amd or you’re VERY close to me like my female cousin or grandma.

    I DO on occasion do the hand grab slash shoulder bump like brothers do in tha hood but it stops there….i prefer the elbow or fist bump personally….hugs sound like a white girl thing….

    • Replies: @Old Prude
  27. Anonymous[411] • Disclaimer says:

    No more hugging is rational. But no more standing/sitting relatively close is irrational.

    We can reopen the economy by eliminating actual touching. But eliminating crowds or gatherings is overkill. People aren’t getting infected by close proximity.

    Let’s recognize that aerosol transmission isn’t actually happening to people who aren’t elderly or immune compromised.

    Let’s recognize that 99% of official “social distancing” is irrelevant.

    Meaning the true safe social distance is not 1.5 meters but safe distance means simply avoiding actual physical contact especially the face i.e. kissing & cheek pressing.

    Of course this derails the massive economic shutdown we are going through now.

    REQUEST: Please post anecdotal evidence of individual or small group aerosol transmission. No need to bother with mass aerosol transmission because it hasn’t happened. You can’t do it.

    Do a search for Covid-19 aerosol transmission and it’s all fuzzy bs: “possible” “might” “likely” “probably”.

    The entire economic shutdown project is based on social distancing. It’s a wild exaggeration of the issue. It’s the erroneous basis for locking down entire states and countries.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  28. Danindc says:

    Fist bumps not bad, right? I think Larry Bird started it.

    • Replies: @Kim
  29. If this stops the huggers, it will all be worth it.

    • Agree: RVBlake
  30. Will says:

    My own Larry Davidesque suggestion would be a law requiring the doors in all public men’s lavatories to open out instead of in. By my observation something like 95% of men’s rooms have doors that you push in to enter; then you have pull a handle on the door to exit. This makes no sense at all. You use the lavatory, scrub your hands thoroughly, then with those hands clean less than ten seconds you’re forced to grasp a door that might have been touched by someone with cholera or hemorrhagic diarrhea who didn’t wash his hands upon leaving. You’re at the bacteriological mercy of the filthiest person who might have touched that handle. If the doors open out, then you can just push it open with your foot on that metal plate at the bottom of the door and be on your way. Sure, you’ve got to grab the handle when you enter, but you’re going to be washing your hands in the next few minutes anyway, so who cares? If you feel strongly about it you can pre-wash your hands before you attend to business, then hit them again on the way out. But if the door opens in, there’s no way to avoid the handle unless you draft out right behind someone else, which really sends the wrong kind of signal. If there’s one place where social distancing should Rule Them All, it’s in a public men’s room.

  31. I realize it’s not common for me to look for the upside in difficult situations but I have to agree that social distancing is one good thing to come out of this Wuhan Flu event. Anything that keeps people at a reasonable distance and keeps their grubby, little paws off me is pretty damn good.

  32. Can We Knock Off with the Social Hugs?

    What about antisocial hugs? Surprise Heimlich body slam challenge, yo!

    … hold our right hands up, and say: “How.”

    Uh oh. You know who else gave the “how” arm greeting?



    Hitler gave the salute in two ways. When reviewing his troops or crowds, he generally used the traditional stiff armed salute. When greeting individuals, he used a modified version of the salute, bending his right arm while holding an open hand towards those greeted at shoulder height.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  33. epebble says:

    I prefer folded hands instead of bows. Bows can be painful if you have to do many times (like, when you are being introduced to a Japanese group). Folded hands are very efficient, just keep your hands folded and turn from person to person.

  34. nebulafox says:

    Can we also knock it off with the fake, used car salesman smiles? If you are constantly happy about everything, then happiness becomes trivial.

  35. @PiltdownMan

    No. We’re not bowing Asiatics.

    We are people who do not bow to anyone, we have no master, no king. We are free men.

    Actually i like Steve’s suggestion:

    Instead, we should pull our ponies up 20 feet away from each other, hold our right hands up, and say: “How.”

    Native Americans are part of our nation, our history. The raised right hand and “How” sounds like a pretty good greet for epidemic time.

  36. black sea says:

    I’m 59 years old, and my recollection is similar.

    Social kissing came into vogue around the same time. The social hugging and kissing was strictly a grown-up thing, and thus considered embarrassing and absurd by me and my teen-aged contemporaries. To see a bunch of adults you’d known since childhood suddenly and quite self-consciously embracing and cheek-kissing like Hollywood starlets or Latin Lovers was an eye-opener. I don’t think I’ve ever been able to take adulthood seriously since.

  37. Mr. Anon says:

    Excellent suggestion and one I have long advocated myself. Big enough mens rooms can have two doors like some restaurants do, one in, one out.

    Airport restrooms are often designed semi-sensibly, with no doors at all, and separate entrance and exit portals to promote good traffic flow.

  38. Lagertha says:

    sheesh! remind me where to forward the address!

  39. @Flip

    Charles is also one of the most pathetic excuses for a human being this side of being one of “elites” who actually propagates the mewling minoritarianism that Charles mindlessly swallows. (There’s something just “wrong” with those people.)

    Namaste is a very fine greeting … for Indians. It just doesn’t happen to be *our* greeting.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  40. Lagertha says:
    @Morton's toes

    weird existential art perform (Bush was a moron)…the look on the sheik ruins the truth. Speak your Truth.

  41. Lugash says:

    I think NYS is getting the bulk of the testing kits and having them prioritized quicker. As of yesterday Arizona had less than 400 tests performed and NYS state had over 45000. Probably the right thing to do.

    • Replies: @danand
  42. @MBlanc46

    less hearty handshakes between men and women (not married to one another).

    Giving their bottom a little squeeze shows you care and doesn’t spread any germs.

    • LOL: ThreeCranes, MBlanc46
  43. @Anonymous

    Casual, thus promiscuous, hug-greeting is a frequent tool of smarm and the mass feminization/sororitization of society, and thus an abomination in the eyes of Allah

    You think?

    • LOL: BB753, Bubba
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  44. anon[283] • Disclaimer says:

    The raised right hand and “How” sounds like a pretty good greet

    Especially since it’s similar to a Roman Salute.

  45. @AnotherDad

    I recall that, back in the 70s, when I was in high school, “being cool” was a thing, and a casual wave of the hand, at most, was the standard greeting among young men. The “cool” thing of the 1970s, of course, originated in African-American circles, especially jazz musician culture from the 1950s, but the laconic, unshowy, American male style does go back to the frontier and the 19th century and our older Anglo-Saxon and Northern European cultural roots.

    The “huggy-kissy” feminine style of greeting seems to have originated in the 1980s, when the world of European fashion and celebrity, French, Italian and Spanish, started defining the dominant glamour ethos of that decade.

    • Replies: @RSDB
  46. Isn’t there a split finger Vulcan greeting meaning “live long and prosper”?

  47. @Will

    Those of us with IQs above eighty open the handle with the paper towel we just dried out hands with then discard it as or after we exit.

    (Your point remains sound, though, especially in those dumps that only have a filthy air dryer – which they had might as well replace with a sign reading “Fuck you! We are cheap and lazy! Wipe your hands on your pants!” in order to save electricity).

    • Agree: JMcG
    • Replies: @jsm
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  48. @AnotherDad

    Namaste is a very fine greeting … for Indians. It just doesn’t happen to be *our* greeting.

    Not that I hold a brief for Charles, but if your family were the supreme rulers of India for 150 years you might see it differently

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  49. Kim says:

    First sighting, 1977. Middle to working class Sydney. Male on male. I stepped away and declined as I still do. Great offense was taken.

  50. @AnotherDad

    Native Americans are part of our nation, our history.

    Also, don’t discount the comic undertones of a deadpan “How” greeting.

  51. @The Last Real Calvinist

    I advocate returning to bows for gentlemen

    A real fancy lad you are!

    “Did you just bow to her?”

    “Yeah. I think I did.”

  52. Kim says:

    Fist bumps are a prison thing. The dark fellows spend all day with their hands down the front of their duds. Nobody wants to shake those hands.

  53. Frederic Remington was from Canton, N.Y., in the very lonely, isolated North Country. The nearest broadcast television station is in Ottawa, though that’s not as relevant as it was 45 years ago when I was last up there.

    That part of the state is probably the least vulnerable to an international virus.

    However, I did see the itinerary of a resident of Ogdensburg, on the Saint Lawrence, 20 or so years ago. He came home from Asia via Minneapolis-St Paul. (Obviously on Northwest.) Thence to NWA’s other hub, Detroit, where he caught a flight to Ottawa, his “final destination”.

    Though it wasn’t. He had to drive, or be driven, down to Ogdensburg, having to go through US Customs twice on the same trip.

    At least it was still in the days when Customs let Canada-bound travelers (regardless of citizenship) through without inspection, as long as their baggage was checked through. They ended that courtesy one year– on July 1st!

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  54. danand says:

    Lugash, you could be right, NY considered to be of higher priority.

    John Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering has updated their 2019-nCoV interactive infographic to include data detail down to county level for the US:


  55. Lagertha says:

    Is it bad that I want everyone of those kissypoo guys to come down with corona/sharona?

    I actually danced to clubs this!

    • Replies: @danand
  56. Lagertha says:

    yes I never embrace anyone who is not part of my inner circle like, ever. It made it difficult in the 80’s and 90’s because of the stereotype of Nordic people being cold, but what ev’s. We knew about effin pandemics before the debauched and lazy Americans of 2020.

    Americans need to be more like Finns and Norwegians!, hahhahhaaaaa

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  57. @kaganovitch

    Namaste is a very fine greeting … for Indians. It just doesn’t happen to be *our* greeting.

    Not that I hold a brief for Charles, but if your family were the supreme rulers of India for 150 years you might see it differently

    I think “namaste” is a Hindu custom. The dominant cultural style in India before the British was that of the Muslims, who ruled the place for a long time. Muslim underlings genuflect to their masters. Here’s King George V in India receiving some tributary local prince.

  58. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That first clip is especially amusing. Serendipitously, after running out of fresh Endeavour episodes, we Calvinists have been working through the Lewis canon. We just finished Season 5 Episode 3. We’re set to watch S6E1 next week, at our current housebound-accelerated watching schedule.

    Daughter C has quite a crush on Hathaway.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  59. Twinkie says:

    We are people who do not bow to anyone, we have no master, no king. We are free men.

    So in that picture with two Japanese, are they each other’s masters and kings?

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  60. @Reg Cæsar

    That part of the state is probably the least vulnerable to an international virus.

    PiltdownChild1 is holed up with her college friends in upstate New York, figuring exactly that, rather than returning to her parents in the city.

  61. All this talk of a cleaner, brighter future in which the social graces are freshly observed has put me in the mood to listen to some Handel. In fact, I find myself drawn to Handel and Haydn again and again these days.

    I’ll not dilate on reasons why. What I shall do is leave the small present of five of the most cheerful minutes for which we can thank George Frideric:

    • Thanks: keypusher
    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
  62. Hugs can muss up your hair.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  63. Cutler says:

    The straight arm salute ( Roman Salute ) is safer and looks cooler.

    • Replies: @Kim
  64. Sol says:

    Hugging seems to have started with women and caught on with millennials and their casual mixed-sex friendships.

  65. Mr Mox says:

    I’m 62. I’ve always felt that hugging, like penicillin, should be used only when really necessary.
    Now they gone and ruined it! Huggin, like swearing, has its place. Overdo it, and both huggin and swearing lose their magic.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
  66. @Kim

    Curtsies too?

    For men, no. For ladies, elegance and right attire would be required, otherwise the gesture is wasted. Therefore, most of the population would be unable to pull it off.

    FWIW I semi-seriously advocated the return of jaunty bonnets (as a counter to some commenters’ disturbing desire that Ellis Islander headscarves make a comeback): (#83)

  67. @The Last Real Calvinist

    we Calvinists have been working through the Lewis canon

    I know. In fact, I can see you right now through your cam. Seriously though, that’s a pretty sweet coincidence! Enjoy. 🙂

  68. I don’t know how legit this is, but this is supposed to be a compilation of Italian mayors telling their townspeople to stay at home.

  69. @Twinkie

    are they each other’s masters and kings?

    More like drones in a hive.

    Japanese greetings are overly deferential/masochistic. Cute for them, unsuitable for Americans. hai! hai! hai!

    • Replies: @Alan Mercer
  70. Cortes says:


    Here’s how a modern British eco-warrior starts the day:

  71. tyrone says:

    The Stuarts was robbed.

  72. This is what makes Trump popular. All the old school Republicans would have expressed deep concern over Romney, as a show of that “golly gee willikers, we’re all Americans” horse manure that makes everyone sick and looks weak.

  73. BB753 says:

    No double or triple kissing on the cheeks, French – style?

  74. @DanHessinMD

    Go away troll, you’re spamming the entire internet with your humidity nonsense. First Lion of the Blogosphere, now here too? Get a life.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Troll: James Speaks
  75. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Hypnotoad666
  76. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Antisocial hugs were invented by the lead singer of The Verve. You may have to pay copyright fees.

  77. nebulafox says:
    @MEH 0910

    I would have guessed leprosy.

  78. Neoconned says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    The 80s and 90s generally speaking were awesome. This last decade was a mixed bag….though fsr superior to me at least than the living horror that was the 2000s.

  79. @The Wild Geese Howard

    I enjoyed Andy Samberg’s Unauthorized Bash Brothers music video on Netflix. If you can appreciate his humor.

  80. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Thank you, thank you. I’ve been thinking this for a Long Time. In my sub-culture here on the East Coast in New England, hugging is simply what is done. All the time, every time and it’s been hell for me, someone who has struggled with whether I even like people and whether I even want to hug. And I can think of at least one person in my circle who was angry with me because I didn’t want to participate in this ritual.

    “How” like the Original Turtle Islanders? Better yet, “Namaste” like the true Indians.

  81. Shalom. A clear, concise and (given current data) rational response from Israel:

    TLDW: Don’t hug grandma, or go anywhere near her until herd immunity.

  82. RVBlake says:

    Before our local Churches ceased celebrating Mass, the bishops recommended an end to the hand-grabbing Sign of Peace and receiving the Host on the tongue. I suspect more than a few were relieved not to have to endure the nearly obligatory hand-shaking.

  83. @anon

    No huggum-wuggum needed.

    It would require a resurgence in hat-wearing though.

    • Replies: @anon
  84. @BenKenobi

    Greeting/goodbye with unattached women I know personally: bear hug, lift from ground

    Keep running, ignore screams?

  85. Kim says:

    Or we could all quenelle.

  86. Charon says:

    Cuomo said New Yorkers are selfish and arrogant. What was his first clue?

    Italy’s probably better off:

    ‘There was a proposal to isolate people coming from the epicenter, coming from China,’ he said. ‘Then that became seen as racist, although they were people coming from the outbreak.’ That, he said, led to the current devastating situation.” [Italian doctors hope for a sign the coronavirus lockdown is working, because there’s no plan B, CNN, March 19, 2020]

    If we would only agree with the Chinese that we made this thing ..we could take action against it

  87. @jb

    It started with placing your left hand on your opposite’s right forearm or elbow during a handshake.

    Then the left hand moved up to his/her right shoulder.

    Then people began leaning in closer with their hands on each other’s shoulder and that morphed into a full one-armed hug/pat on the back.

    It all came about because women entered business (wearing those abominable suits) and mere handshaking was deemed a too impersonal greeting for a woman co-worker or business associate. After all, shaking hands is what men do before a wrestling or boxing match so the handshake had to be modified into something more reassuring for women, something not a prelude to combat.

  88. @BenKenobi

    “Greeting/goodbye with unattached women I know personally: bear hug, lift from ground”

    Agree. Makes em squeal with glee. To, “swoop” her as one girlfriend of mine put it. Makes em go limp and dreamy in your arms.

    Either that or they sue you for assault. Depending on factors only woman understand.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • LOL: Smithsonian_2
  89. @Achmed E. Newman

    So we can stop kissing our rulers’ asses now, too? Also, incels are now at the bleeding edge of hip, eh? Here’s a new franchise, Hollyweird: “Corona: Day of the Incel”. Let’s do lunch.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  90. J.Ross says:

  91. @Lugash

    Nothing like the old Socialist kiss …..

    • Replies: @Liberty Mike
  92. Romanian says: • Website
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Oh look it’s Lord Palmerston from the Victoria series. Such an affably evil guy. Never heard of this show, Lewis.

  93. Corvinus says:

    “Do a search for Covid-19 aerosol transmission and it’s all fuzzy bs: “possible” “might” “likely” “probably”.”

    It’s not fuzzy at all when there are reported cases around the world which confirm how a person contracted it through direct person-to-person contact.

  94. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    For very formal occasions with people you don’t know(weddings, job interviews), grab THEIR crotch and taunting “Cup check!”

  95. Instead, we should pull our ponies up 20 feet away from each other, hold our empty right hands up vertically, and say: “How.”

    Free ponies for all Americans!

    Vote Vermin Supreme!

  96. @Henry's Cat

    Hugs can muss up your hair.

    But on the other hand, one can mine that for countless op-eds in the NYT bemoaning the insensitivity of Beckys who don’t appreciate how difficult it is for WOC to get their hair done.

  97. Progressiveness is – in keeping with leftist standards of using terms in the exact opposite way their meaning was intended – a return to the primitive.

  98. jsm says:

    And, the toilet flush! I have to touch the handle that the hemorrhagic diarrhea guy just touched right after wiping, BEFORE he washed his hands? YUCK. Foot peddle to flush the toilet, please, and foot peddle to turn on the faucet for handwashing, please.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
  99. In America at least, hugging is an outworking of the feminization of the culture. Men used to shake hands, now they hug like girls?? I don’t. [Other cultures may have hugging as a long tradition. OK. I’m talking about the US].

  100. Carol says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    No everyone’s doing now esp young and middle aged women, and it’s just as phony.

    I’m 71, grew up in SoCal and we never did this. Not even with family members. We would have been terribly embarrassed, and suspicious.

    It was a thing Italians did.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  101. @jb

    Absolutely. About 30 years ago I noticed that if friends came over for dinner they all wanted to hug us when arriving and then again when leaving. As if we all hadn’t seen each other for years, not weeks.

    Male-to-male I’d prefer just a pat around the shoulder, thank you. Plus female-to-male I’ve gotten a few kisses that were a bit much with my wife standing right there. Many of these huggy friends are Italian-American, for what that’s worth.

  102. Sure, phony, insincere hugging and touching should be excoriated.

    However, we could sure use a man like Leo Buscaglia again.

  103. JMcG says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I’m gonna go with the ol’ pulling back my poncho to reveal the handle of my Colt dragoon. Then I’m gonna blow a little smoke from my cheroot.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @SFG
  104. Can we knock off with the skiers? Verbier is emerging as a Covid-19 hotspot

  105. Pilgrim23 says:

    How about UNZ knock it off with the chicom propaganda? A poster mentions the “China virus” or “Wuhan flu”, suddenly tons of replies with “YOU COUNTRY NO BETTAH!” and “China has no new cases!” I know this site is a haven for various government assets to peddle their government’s preferred propaganda, but Ron has really let the slants take control.

  106. @jb

    You and black sea are in my late boomer age range, but i don’t remember all this casual descending when i was a teen.

    What i remember is an up tick over the 70s and 80s in hugging between and with female relatives.

    But this casual social hugging to me is a millenial thing. About 10-12 years back i took AnotherChild3 up to the HS football game. She maybe 14. She saw some guy and they hugged and i was like “Who the hell is that hugging my daughter!” I didn’t go “get your hands off my daughter buster”, but i asked her what the hell was going on.

    This hug, hug, hug, hug thing is millenial feminization/infantilization.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  107. Thatgirl says:
    @R.G. Camara

    My last boss is a sociopath and a big hugger, so, based on that one data point, I might agree with you.

  108. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Agreed. Those silly Japanese, with their deference to the wellbeing of their brothers, can avoid tragedies of the commons without calling up a national guard. Not that that will work here anyway; the national guard elements are, after all, Red Blooded Americans as well, hence In It For Themselves. The same thinking gave us an outsource economy: f*** my brothers, I’m getting mine.

    Hopefully at the end of this Japan has conquered both China and the US. we most certainly deserve it. We could not ask for better stewardship than Japanese rule.

  109. @Will

    At a local, highly-successful, Greek-run diner here in Southern New Jersey, in the mens room they have a really good workaround for this problem. There is an eye-height, large, j-shaped hook mounted on the inside of the door that permits you to hook it with your forearm to pull the door open, complete with explanatory sign & cartoon showing how to use this in order to avoid touching the regular handle (still available lower on the door). Considering some of the slovenly behavior to be observed from users of the mens room, I really appreciate this.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  110. prosa123 says:

    A couple of years ago I was at an offsite social function of the retail business where I worked at the time, and as was her practice I got a big hug from the manager, a pleasantly curvy Latin lady in her 40’s. I wouldn’t have minded, except that she was wearing way too much perfume and I reeked for hours afterwards.

  111. Kylie says:

    Again, thank you. I saved screenshots of your earlier post on this subject to Google Photos and am spreading the word.

    I also have a wet towel hanging up and a big pot of water on low boil. I’ve raised the humidity in my house to 45%. Will put another pot on.

    I think this is crucial information and I hope others will take it as seriously as I do.

  112. J.Ross says:

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    , @Jack D
  113. @jb

    It was the 1970s when I first noticed footballers behaving in a nauseatingly nancy-boy style after a scoring a goal.
    I hoped they’d grow out of it but they haven’t.
    They’re even worse nowadays – climbing all over each like some gay orgy.

  114. @AnotherDad

    my late boomer age…

    and i was like “Who…? “

    These don’t correlate. You’re too old to talk like Moon Unit.

  115. @DanHessinMD

    Only recently active commenters (with at least FIVE published comments during the last thirty days) may provide Agree/Disagree/Thanks/LOL/Troll Reactions on other comments.

    So, THANKS!

  116. Anonymous[201] • Disclaimer says:

    Huggy-wuggery was a California thing that spread like a disease. Girls spread it, but guys do it too sometimes. It’s so yucky.

  117. slumber_j says:

    I’ve commented on this before here. I just turned 55, and we didn’t do that in America for my first quarter-century or more.

    In my previous comment I hypothesized a Sopranos connection, but I don’t know.

  118. Jack D says:

    It’s interesting to note that most of the big gains in life expectancy in the West came not from advances in medicine but from advances in simple public health measures such as chlorination of water, vitamin enrichment of certain foods to eliminate nutritional diseases such as pellagra, etc. Diseases that were once considered to be widespread and unavoidable such as cholera and typhoid fever almost completely disappeared. And yet, most of these measures were, when first proposed, shrugged at or dismissed. “Everyone” knew that malaria came from swamp fumes and was unavoidable so there was no point in getting rid of mosquitoes. It couldn’t possibly be that just adding a few cents worth of iodine to the salt supply would completely eliminate goiter.

    If the research that you cite pans out, it would not be unreasonable to add mandatory indoor humidification to building codes just as there are certain requirements for ventilation, etc. This would not only help to fight the Chinese Virus but would cut down (if the research is correct) greatly on seasonal flu and colds which are an economic drag (and cause of death) every single year.

    It strikes me (if you are right) that you are a modern day Semelweis (the guy who tried to get doctors to wash their hands and was rewarded with nothing but grief) and like him, no one is really paying an attention to what you are saying, unfortunately. I don’t know how we could get the right people excited about this because if you are right this is really really big.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    , @david88
    , @Steve Sailer
  119. Not Raul says:

    The Indians must have known something about avoiding infectious diseases.

    • Replies: @DRA
  120. slumber_j says:

    Not to put too fine a point on it, but are we sure a taxonomy of greetings isn’t itself maybe just slightly autistic?

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
  121. @nebulafox

    If you are constantly happy about everything, then happiness becomes trivial.

    I know a guy that holds a good paying job he is not competent to perform simply because he is relentlessly cheerful.

    Hearing the same catchphrases every 5 minutes during the work day really grinds my gears, but it’s amazing how people just gobble up the constant stream of cheap emotional manipulation.

  122. @The Last Real Calvinist

    That was quite wonderful. Thanks for that. Handel’s versatility in most any compositional form in which he worked is remarkable.

    I would highly commend the 12 Concerti Grossi Op. 6 of Handel; seek them out. I have been known to listen to all of them in one go. Also, his Concerti Grossi Op. 3 are worthy of your time.

    Here is an album of works by Johann Friedrich Fasch. He was big friends with Telemann, and his style tended toward the Galant. The older Baroque forms such as the French overture are still employed, but flexibly, and a new spirit inhabits the compositions. There are two Overtures/Suites, one in D minor, the other in Bb major played here by the Virtuosi Saxoniae, whose personnel are drawn from the Dresdener Staatskapelle, under the direction of Ludwig Güttler (a virtuoso player of the trumpet and the corno di caccia, which latter he plays on a concerto). These are modern instrument performances, but the performance practice is period-correct. The album concludes with chamber works for oboes & bassoon. Interestingly, Fasch, in the Overtures, instruments the flutes & oboes in threes, permitting triadic harmonies in uniform sonorities. The second Overture in Bb is written for two orchestras, permitting some antiphonal effects, clearly audible when listening through headphones, and other textural techniques.

    If you value style, grace, and wit, here are some other recommended works. These are from Johann Christian Bach, the youngest son of the redoubtable Johann Sebastian. They are Sinfonias, mostly composed for subscription concerts staged by J. S. and his friend Karl Abel in London, and in the Italianate 3-movement form. The links are to a recording from David Zinman with the Netherlands Chamber Orchestra. The whole set concludes with an overture to an opera, tri-partite in form, but not broken into individual movements, that traces the kinship or lineage of the sinfonias being with these overture forms.

    J. C. was influential on the young Mozart, these two having spent time together during Mozart’s time in England.

    I take interest in transitional periods in music, and in the characteristics either adopted or abandoned in compositional styles after these transitions. If you like Haydn, may I suggest a listen to some of the works of Karl Phillipp Emanuel Bach, the oldest son of J. S., and compare that style to that of Haydn’s Sturm und Drang works, bearing in mind both the influences adopted, and those influences eschewed.

    Here is a recording of three of his Hamburg Sinfonien, along with two concerti.

    And what the hell, some sonatas for baroque lute by Sylvius Leopold Weiss. Weiss was a colleague of K.P.E. at the court of König Friedrich der Grösse, and one time Karl, Weiss, and another lutenist went for a visit with J.S., during which time it was reported that some particularly fine music making occurred. The Suites for Cello Unaccompanied sound, to my ear, to be better performed on the baroque lute (more powerful and with free bourdon strings that enhance its possibilities over the renaissance lute), and their composition may perhaps have been sparked by Weiss’ virtuosity. Anyway, here are a few of Weiss’ own compositions.

    Happy listening.

  123. Mr. Anon says:

    I’m gonna go with the ol’ pulling back my poncho to reveal the handle of my Colt dragoon. Then I’m gonna blow a little smoke from my cheroot.

    Indeed. One might also add: “There are two kinds of people in this World………………”

  124. Mr. Anon says:
    @R.G. Camara

    The fake camaraderie amongst people who don’t know each other well, the attempt at immediate intimacy, the gesture’s off-puttingness to normal, well adjusted people —all is what sociopaths do in many of their interactions to throw people off or to get close enough to hurt them,…..

    An indication of that is constantly using your name. I think a lot “People Person” people are actually sociopaths:

    • Replies: @Feryl
  125. anon[207] • Disclaimer says:

    It would require a resurgence in hat-wearing though.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing!
    No fedoras, though.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  126. BenKenobi says:

    LOL, perhaps. But I never codified it until now.

  127. @Autochthon

    This reminds me of the old serviceman’s joke:

    A Marine and a sailor are both using the head at the same time. The sailor zips up and then proceeds to wash his hands. The Marines zips up and begins to walk out of the head. The sailor calls after him, “In the Navy, we are taught to wash our hands after urinating!”

    To which the Marine responded “In the Marine Corps, we are taught not to piss on our hands,” as he continued to walk away.

  128. Kylie says:

    Replying to Jack’s commment 126.

    Based on my own experience, I think he’s right. I have serious respiratory allergies. A few years ago, I went to the ER because I was so short of breath. After checking my oxygen level with that clip thing, the nurse took me ahead of everyone else in the waiting room because I wasn’t getting enough oxygen. A plug of thick mucus was partially blocking my airway. I coughed it up and was fine.

    Now whenever I start with a cold or the flu, I drink as much hot tea with lemon and honey as I can. Respiratory llnesses don’t seem to last as long and I no longer have to cough so hard I see stars. Guaifenesin is supposed to be good for thinning mucus but I can’t take it.

    My point is regardless of what causes thick mucus, whether COVID-19 or not, it can have very serious consequences. There’s no reason not to adopt commonsense measures like maintaining 50% household humidity and drinking hot liquids to keep your airways moist. Today I have raised the humidity in my house from 42% to just over 50%. For the first time in ages, I can breathe easily with my mouth closed. That alone makes these measures worthwhile for me.

    N.B. I’m a non-smoker under a doctor’s care. I do what I can to keep the level of allergens down in my house.

    • Replies: @HA
  129. @danand

    Chloroquine seems to be looking good.

    Based on past publication quality the researcher who did the study, Dr. Didier Raoult, is literally the top-rated authority on earth. See (“For example, D Raoult is the top-rated expert in Communicable Diseases in the world.”) (See also

    A third party website has been created by “an independent group of scientists and physicians working on an open-data clinical trial for prevention of COVID-19, through the use of hydroxychloroquine in combination with other therapeutic agents.”

    And here’s one guy who has reason to believe it works.

  130. @MEH 0910

    So much for Steve’s theory that this is a disease of “wholesome” celebrities.

  131. @PiltdownMan

    I managed to train the Muslims I worked with for four years to understand that I only do handshakes.

    No fruity hugs or pecks on the cheek for me, thank you very much.

  132. Instead, we should pull our ponies up 20 feet away from each other, hold our empty right hands up vertically, and say: “How.”

    Look up the etymology of the word ‘sinister.’

  133. @J.Ross

    Does anyone else remember that after 9-11 the Democrats tried to hold up federal airline screening by insisting that all the employees must be unionized. That didn’t end well for them either.

  134. RSDB says:

    “Kiss me, Hardy.”

    (Not intended as a rebuttal but as a tangent.)

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  135. Elli says:

    Ultra orthodox Jews? London, Israel, New York, Antwerp all have reports about Haredim being really slow to get the message about avoiding gatherings. School, synagogue, weddings, marketing went on as usual.

    Not plugged into mainstream media or internet, studying Torah will protect us, God loves us.

    Maybe three days ago the message finally began to get through.

  136. @Bard of Bumperstickers


    Just for some good music that 99.9% of you all wouldn’t have heard, here’s my man Gerry Rafferty with Welcome to Hollywood. The voice-over sounds just like the voice in my head while reading your comment. “You’ll love it, Gerry. You’ll absolutely love it…”

    With the smoothest male voice ever in pop music:

    R.I.P. Gerry.

  137. @Carol

    Indeed, Carol. Italians and homosexuals … especially Italian homosexuals …

  138. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve commented before, it’s a deconstruction of the pre-1965 America that was Northern-European in cultural norms, naturally distancing and avoiding any emotional behavior. Stoicism has its advantages in a COVID-19 world.

  139. @Bardon Kaldian

    Ole Leonid Ilyich knew how to swamp some spit.

  140. Jack D says:

    Never let a crisis go to waste!

  141. DRA says:

    In the culture I grew up in, 1950’s western IL farm country, I don’t remember farm folk shaking hands very often.

    In Vietnam I was a bystander when a Korean and American middle grade officer met. If I have the order correct it was: bow, handshake, then salute.

    Personally I like the idea of the oriental bow, although the timing and depth of bow seems to be critical and I doubt I would get it right reliably.

  142. DRA says:

    Thanks be, I’m only 73!

  143. Kylie says:
    @Jack D

    I replied to you further down with my tale of anecdotal evidence.

    Humidity in my house now up to 52%. I’m breathing more freely than I have in months.

  144. Anon[515] • Disclaimer says:

    Italy has recorded a slight decline in new deaths today. From what I’ve heard, they went to a decision to intubate no one over 60. When everyone who’s most likely to die from the virus goes, of course the death rate will start to drop. Qom has also had a decline in the death rate. The most hard hit areas, such as Lombardy, Wuhan, and Qom have appeared to hit their peak. Other areas, though, still have yet to take their hits. Every packed major city/region will see this sort of bulge in the death rate.

  145. Anon[515] • Disclaimer says:

    They have discovered that people who are infected with Covid-19 but who don’t seem to get sick do have a pair of symptoms. They have a loss in their sense of smell and taste.

  146. @Alan Mercer

    without calling up a national guard

    The Japanese are (self) national guarded 24/7. Very repressed society. What works for them won’t work for Americans.

    their deference to the wellbeing of their brothers

    Imagine being a brother to a little bow-y man.

    We could not ask for better stewardship than Japanese rule.

    WTF is up with the weeb cuckery.

    avoid tragedies of the commons

    LOL. If Americans became Japanese that would be a common tragedy. Nothing against the Japs personally, but there is some cultural stuff that best remains Japanese.


    hai! hai! hai! upskirt *CLICK* aporogees rady so sexy no poreece prees

  147. david88 says:
    @Jack D

    I agree with the above comment. But is there any feasible way to humidify a large portion of the workplace in the short term? I can humidify many rooms at home, but a lot of people spend 9 hours a day at the office. Is there any short term fix for that environment?

    • Replies: @newrouter
  148. SFG says:

    Do you feel lucky?

  149. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s always weird when my ideal vision for society (patriarchy) matches with that of the cult of Islam, it’s wacky “god” Allah and it’s pyschotic warlord-pedophile prophet Mohammed.
    Things can be alike against 1 thing yet totally different on their own

    • Replies: @SFG
  150. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says:

    This is complicated but worth it so please try to keep up:
    After drying your hands with paper towels, use those towels now to grab the door handle with. Now open the door.
    Then, throw out the paper towel when the door is open (when exactly is irrelevant).
    Read it again and again until you think you grasp it. Then start practicing!

    • Replies: @Will
  151. HA says:

    “There’s no reason not to adopt commonsense measures like maintaining 50% household humidity…I do what I can to keep the level of allergens down in my house.”

    If you’re interested in keeping the level of allergens down, make sure you keep that humidifier well-maintained; otherwise, it can become a breeding ground for — and enhance the proliferation of — all sorts of stuff that people with lung/allergy issues (and really, everyone) should not be inhaling. Ditto (to some extent) for the ions and mineral dust some humidifiers spew out, depending on the kind of water (and disinfectant or cleanser) you run it with. With enough long-term exposure, you can eventually start getting reactions to any of that stuff, too, though sometimes, you just have to go with the least harmful set of options.

    • Replies: @Kylie
  152. Kylie says:

    Thanks so much.

    Yes, I won’t use a humidifier for that reason. I’m allergic to mold and very careful about allergens. I’m going to stick with an uncovered stock pot of water on a low boil for day and some wet towels hung up for night. My house is small so that should do the trick. 55% humidity with just one large pot of boiling water!

    Thanks again.

    • Replies: @HA
  153. SFG says:

    Richard Spencer supports national healthcare (he thinks it’ll make alt-right activists less afraid of losing their jobs).

    Communists and most conservatives oppose identity politics; woke SJWs and alt-right people support them.

    Both trans-exclusive radical feminists and most conservatives don’t believe transwomen are women.

    Many feminists and most conservatives are also against pornography. Old-school free speech liberals and libertarians support it.

    Right-wing Jews and alt-right people oppose Islam.

    Leftists and intellectual dark web-style liberals don’t believe in religion.

    I could come up with others.

    • Thanks: bomag
  154. Cortes says:

    No fedoras?

    Hmmm. Not sure about that

    I really enjoyed

    Hatless Jack documents the decline of hat wearing in the US (and more broadly) and is full of great stories like the trade-inspired seasonal hat wars in urban areas like NYC.

    • Replies: @anon
  155. @Jack D

    Here’s a path for checking up on Dan’s humidity theory: Some East Asian countries that got hit hard by earlier epidemics like SARS have done better in this epidemic: Did any of them adopt humidification policies?

  156. Will says:

    Right. I’m delighted to handle the residue of another person’s fecal matter as long as I’ve got a damp, tissue-thin paper towel with which to do it. Problem solved!

  157. Dan Hayes says:

    There was a recalcitrant old-time Jesuit who suggested a public declaration of being HIV positive to discourage unwanted hand-shakers and huggers!

  158. Bill B. says:

    Quite right. Once men at least greeted each other like men: efficiently, without fuss.

    See 2’ 20” here:

  159. HA says:

    “I’m going to stick with an uncovered stock pot of water on a low boil for day…”

    Well, in that case: Big book of soup recipes

    If you want to clear the lungs, I hear garlic isn’t bad. It’s great for social distancing, too.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    , @oldfarmerbrown
  160. @Anon7

    I agree. Let’s popularize the Fight Club nod.

  161. Dan Hayes says:

    It’s also quite the thing in men’s rooms of NYC Chinese/Japanese buffets.

  162. @Alan Mercer

    Hopefully at the end of this Japan has conquered both China and the US. we most certainly deserve it. We could not ask for better stewardship than Japanese rule.

    Remind me again how did Japanese “stewardship” work out for the Koreans in WW2?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  163. anon[213] • Disclaimer says:

    Hmmm. Not sure about that

    Dude, they have a bad rep right now. Give it some time.

  164. @Alan Mercer

    Hopefully at the end of this Japan has conquered both China and the US. we most certainly deserve it. We could not ask for better stewardship than Japanese rule.


    Thousands of men, women, children, and infants interned at prisoner of war camps were subjected to vivisection, often without anesthesia and usually ending with the death of the victim.[23][24] Vivisections were performed on prisoners after infecting them with various diseases. Researchers performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body. These were conducted while the patients were alive because it was thought that the death of the subject would affect the results.[25]

    Prisoners had limbs amputated in order to study blood loss. Those limbs that were removed were sometimes re-attached to the opposite sides of the body. Some prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and the esophagus reattached to the intestines. Parts of organs, such as the brain, lungs, and liver, were removed from some prisoners.[24] Imperial Japanese Army surgeon Ken Yuasa suggests that the practice of vivisection on human subjects was widespread even outside Unit 731,[26] estimating that at least 1,000 Japanese personnel were involved in the practice in mainland China.[27]

  165. Kylie says:

    I love garlic and use it on/in all savories. Onion, too. And they’re both very good for you.

    I’ve got cheese-broccoli soup already made.

    Thanks again.

  166. @RSDB

    “Kiss me, Hardy.”

    (Not intended as a rebuttal but as a tangent.)

    An excellent rebuttal, nonetheless! Perhaps physical restraint really got going with the Victorian Era, after the British of Nelson’s time?

    On the other hand, as Churchill said, the traditions of the Royal Navy were “rum, sodomy, and the lash.”

    But then again, he was an army man.

  167. newrouter says:

    Buy a humidifier and a hygrometer for your work space?

  168. @kaganovitch

    Exactly. Mercer’s a maroon. What he thinks is authentic Japanese society is actually neutered neo-Japanese society after getting whomped by firebombing and nukes courtesy of Uncle Sam.

    Needless to say, they were hardcore brutes when given free rein.

  169. danand says:

    “Is it bad that I want everyone of those kissypoo guys to come down with corona/sharona?”

    Lagertha, just came across this:

    The Knack’s song My Sharona has instantly popped to mind every time I’ve heard “corona” over the last 3 weeks, have to be of the era I guess.

  170. Needless to say, they were hardcore brutes when given free rein.

    You should read about what they did to the Christians of Nagasaki. The 26 canonized martyrs were the tip of the iceberg. Or tsunami, if you prefer.

    Waterboarding was one of their methods. So was hanging by the feet, with a vein cut to “relieve” the pressure that would mercifully have killed the victim after a few hours.

    We honored their memory by obliterating their cathedral and most of its parishioners. That’s modern, secular America for you.

  171. @Steve Sailer

    Did any of them adopt humidification policies?

    Such as stepping outside?

  172. Anon87 says:

    Death to the High Five!!!

  173. @JerseyJeffersonian

    And thank you very much for these recommendations. They are very much appreciated, and I’ll be listening to them today.

  174. @Steve Sailer

    Also, Steve needs to learn the difference between “knock off” and “knock it off.”

    “Knock off” is a term that means to cheaply imitate or counterfeit, like what the Chinese do so well with Coach bags, LV purses and North Face jackets. “Knock it off” means to stop doing something annoying, for instance “I think the Chinese should knock it off with the counterfeiting”.

    I think it’s important because Steve Sure is a stickler.

  175. @HA

    You cannot cook the garlic. The antiviral garlicin is created only when the garlic is CRUSHED. You have to experience a painful burning sensation in your mouth to confirm it’s presence. Chew a few cloves, slosh the stuff around in your mouth and let trickle down your throat. It works. Try it.

    • Thanks: HA
  176. @Reg Cæsar

    There seems to be no pbotograph of the prewar cathedral on the web.

    Thank you for bringing this up.

  177. Anon[605] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s almost as if Wuflu were designed to destroy the restaurant business: close them long enough to put most of them out of business, then decimate demand for their product by killing off taste and smell in potential customers.

    Where will all the illegal alien staff go?

  178. @nebulafox

    nebulafox wrote:

    Can we also knock it off with the fake, used car salesman smiles? If you are constantly happy about everything, then happiness becomes trivial.

    Yeah, but even worse are those who demand that others pretend to be happy.

    A while back I had one of those days when everything was going wrong. A checkout girl at the grocery store asked me how my day was going, and I politely said, “Okay,” so as not to bother her with my problems.

    She replied, rather aggressively, “Only OKAY???”

    I probably should have subjected her to a five minute diatribe on how lousy my day had been.

    Instead, I just smiled weakly.

    People who really do not care about others should really just mind their own business.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  179. @jsm

    I do use my foot. (I realise the elderly, children, or disabled may lack the necessary height or dexterity, though, so a pedal would help them). Most toilets now have motion detectors as erll as, or instead of, manual levers for flushing, so that helps, too.

  180. nebulafox says:

    Agreed, but I don’t judge service workers too harshly, because their bosses are likely forcing them to act that way. And they are on camera.

    Personally, I really don’t care if the person serving me food has a blank expression, because I don’t expect random people to particularly care how I’m doing. But either a lot of Americans feel differently, or more likely, Corporate America is full of people who find a sense of amusement in totally dominating every facet of the lives of those they can, down to emotions and thoughts. One sees why our parasitic ruling classes love having a rentier, service sector dominated economy for lower socioeconomic rungs rather than one that actually produces useful stuff, in a more subtle, psychological sense along with the obvious material and political motives. There’s a deep whiff of the infant in all of it.

    I always try to be respectful and polite to service workers, no matter how I’m feeling that day. I don’t always succeed, but I do try to make an effort. They get treated like subhumans by all too many customers and managers alike while often being forced to dress like clowns and memorize cult-like instructions to themselves… all while being expected to act as though they are having serial orgasms. I give them some extra cash whenever I can. However small, that actually helps somebody, and they probably appreciate it a lot more than both of you playing pretend.

  181. @danand

    The stats are almost meaningless, because it is likely that millions of Californians already had, and recovered from COVID-19. Seems like I did. Same with my wife. Millions of New Yorkers also probably had the virus and already recovered or are currently recovering, as if merely from a lingering flu.

    Only if we had a large percentage of people tested in each location — and earlier than we are — could we say which area was hit by a higher infection rate or a higher death-per-1000-infections rate.

  182. @MBlanc46

    Among good friends, disagree. How sad.

    Among people whom you don’t know well, agreed. Hugs for strangers and almost-strangers in LA-LA-Land is phony like much else in this place.

  183. @Lagertha

    You mean worship foreign-born invader Africans rather than worship native-born Africans like Americans do?

  184. @Reg Cæsar

    We honored their memory by obliterating their cathedral and most of its parishioners.

    The missionary position is an unsafe bet in the full Monte Cassino.

  185. nymom says:

    Social distancing as a tool to reduce transmission probably made sense in a place like China where people in cities were packed check to jowl everywhere even walking along the streets you encountered a mob.

    Here in the US it probably was completely worthless as a policy.

    I believe the Democrats encouraged this nonsense in order to damage the economy and ensure Trump lost his re-election bid.

    The good news is Trump stopped airline flights from abroad as well as closed both borders north and south and that alone is probably worth the aggravation of having to rebuild everything messed up by these damn Democrats after the smoke clears….

  186. Feryl says: • Website
    @Mr. Anon

    I’ve noticed that a minority of “celebrities”, during extended interviews, will conspicuously declare the interviewers first name every so often. It seems especially smarmy if there is little to no history between the two parties. Perhaps social climbers/gadflies figure that a cheap way to charm people is by contriving a sort of intimacy by frequently dropping the name of the person they are talking to.

    WRT “sociopathy”, yes, some high functioning sociopaths are extroverted and opportunistically friendly. But overall, it looks as if social skills in general are closely tied to IQ and careful socialization. So there are lot of low IQ/low class brutes with minimal social charms who obviously are avoided by sane people, while a lot of upbeat and friendly “good guys” exist and aren’t trying to put on some act of deception. Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, etc. contrary to popular lore about “charming sociopaths”, all had definitely unlikable/neurotic traits. It’s just that most people who knew their real character learned to avoid them/not trust them. So the gullible people who didn’t know the score later claimed that it was a “shock” these guys turned out to be violent criminals. Ann Rule was told by Ted’s family that Ted was a thief and a liar, and Ted was eventually dumped by his first “serious” girl friend (she felt Ted wasn’t responsible or sophisticated enough to be her husband), triggering rage within Ted. Ted also had spergy sounding traits (like intermittent nose picking that one journalist who extensively interviewed Ted noticed) and was a moderate alcoholic by the time he was 30. Dahmer was an early alcoholic with few friends, who struggled to build any kind of career or develop friendsips.

    It’s been found that delinquents/criminals are often low IQ with poor social skills and emotional regulation. So if anything, most dirt bags out there have the charisma of dry wall* and won’t fool that many people. Note too that children, teenagers, and elderly people experiencing cognitive decline are often the most grumpy and anti-social people. So again, it would seem that the least useful people are often the least charming as well.

    *Charlie Manson largely only fooled the celebrities and young people who he dealt drugs too. Any clean-cut person could immediately tell that he was full of crap and a degenerate.

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  187. @Feryl

    It took Doris Day to end Manson’s hopes of a show biz career, when she told her son Terry Melzer in no uncertain terms that he wouldn’t be managing Manson.

  188. Old Prude says:

    “Offer each other a sign of peace”. Mayhem ensues. Sweaty palms, hugs, kisses, turning, reaching. Yes, it is a undignified and unseemly disruption of the mass,

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  189. Old Prude says:

    The president of the company hugged my wife the first time he met her. I thought that was hugely inappropriate. I thought I would hug his wife next time I saw her, but for some reason I did not.

  190. Old Prude says:

    My sister, an accomplished professional scientist and lawyer has always grated that if she doesn’t smile, if any woman doesn’t smile, they are scorned. Which is worse the dopes who smile all the time, or the fakers who scowl, smile, when they see you, then scowl as they pass? (Two more comments and I can start using the agree/disagree buttons again).

  191. anon[852] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Prude

    “Offer each other a sign of peace”. Mayhem ensues. Sweaty palms, hugs, kisses, turning, reaching.

    Not in the Episcopal churches I’ve been to, where it is more robotic : “Peace. be. with. you.” or “peacebewithoyou”. All those churches were full of people over 70, so maybe they just didn’t have the energy anymore. I wanted to say “I come in peace!” in a hoarse whisper but decided against it.

    Yes, it is a undignified and unseemly disruption of the mass,

    Prots are adopting it now, too. It’s just socializing. “Peace be with you! How was your trip?” or “Peace be with you, watching the game today? Let’s barbeque!” but somehow, church leaders literally can’t see or hear this. They can’t. Too much pride on the line, perhaps.

    It’s just a fad that brings disorder to church services of any denomination.

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