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Who can forget the slaves signing their sad spirituals while they picked the cotton of the vast plantations of Burbank and North Hollywood?

Actually, California was admitted as a free state in 1851, but there were certain loopholes that allowed slaves to be brought into the state for the next 12 years.

But I guess the ethnic studies program failed to teach about of oppressed of all backgrounds, such as Hollywood movie producers who were oppressed by the incessant nagging for better movies.

 

 
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  1. So these folks demand that others give them free stuff for past “sins” committed by others. How noble of them! Or something…. Maybe the term “self-serving” applies here.

  2. tyrone says:

    Hey California ,why don’t you fix your power lines and take care of your forest.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  3. Jack D says:

    An initial draft of the curriculum, released in the summer of 2019, provoked widespread objection, particularly among Jewish groups who argued that it was anti-Semitic, purposely excluded Jews, and promoted the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement against Israel. Others criticized the curriculum, which included a glossary of discipline-specific terms, like “hxrstory” and “cisheteropatriarchy,” as being too jargon-filled and politically correct.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-09-30/governor-newsom-vetoes-high-school-ethnic-studies-bill

    Maybe the “let’s replace white people with immigrants who will always vote Democrat” plan is not working out so great for the Jews. Well it’s sort of half working. The good news is that California is solidly Democrat forever. The bad news is that the new Democrats are more anti-Semitic than the white people ever were. Not only will they not let your grandfather into their country club, they don’t even HAVE country clubs.

  4. If he is so crazy then why are reparations so popular with People of Color, women, and young people?

    Look at the facts.

    Only white males as a group are against reparations.

    That tells you something right there.

    Germans pay Jews reparations to this day. It works.

  5. With no slaves to pick them in Antebellum CA, oranges and lemons were rotting on the groves.

    Without slavery, how did/does late 19th century- 21st century CA’s agricultural produce get harvested, picked, and ready for market?

    • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
  6. Oh right, Cali was “cool”, not like much of the rest of the country. The White people there were supposed to get a special set-aside to free them from the anti-White misery the rest of us have endured.

    I mean, they had some folks who done good on the SAT and they’re just too special to be afflicted with the stuff Backward America has had to endure.

  7. @Jack D

    That deserves an [Agree], a [Thanks], and a [LOL], Jack! Ron won’t let me do that in one shot.

    Speaking of Mr. Unz, if he’s got enough money to pay someone like Communist Mao sack-hangar Godfree Roberts to write, he shouldn’t be too hard up for reparations money. I’m sure he’d be against it, of course, but will his beloved Hispanics who vote?

    This bill is not about reparations itself, but a great way to get the ball rolling or the Overton Window shifted a good bit more. No, this one is just for funds to discuss it. How many 10’s of millions of dollars are we talking about, though? We coulda’ had Bullet Trains to Bakersfield, man!

    • Troll: Rahan
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Rob
  8. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    As I’ve said before, just tax or surcharge sunblock and SPF30+ and pay those proceeds out as Reparations.

  9. Jack D says:
    @Vince Deere

    Germany pays reparations to individual Jews whose health was injured as a result of forced labor. My father received such a pension – a few hundred $ per month and it was more than well earned. When he died, the pension stopped and I get nothing from Germany, nor do I deserve to. There are a few elderly Jews who are still alive and still drawing such pensions but when they die that will be the end of that.

    I am completely in favor of paying reparations to all living African-Americans who were enslaved. But not to anyone else.

  10. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:

    This forum has altogether too many Chosen People posting in it. Too much “Fellow White People” gaslighting, and too many people pretending to be gentiles when they are not.

    So I guess in the end, it’s too much like the rest of the internet. Why are there no calls for proportional representation? When are the Disparate Impact lawsuits coming?

    And the wind cries “All in good time, my son. All in good time.”

    • LOL: Anonymous Jew
  11. Rich says:

    Will the Hispanics of Mexafornia accept paying cash to blacks? This will get very interesting. The Hispanics I know aren’t to fond of negros. Even a few black looking Puerto Ricans I’ve known over the years didn’t like them. The dems could be splitting their fragile coalition. Not a bad thing, I guess.

    • Agree: Farenheit
  12. anon[229] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    so will there be a walk walk after talk talk– is 1 dollar really going to be dished out or is this all liberal talk to make coloured feel good?
    those who are to get the alleged goodies will be waiting a very long time…

  13. Anon[177] • Disclaimer says:

    Enjoys keeping tabs on all these scattered eparations programs to make sure we know when the correct amount has been paid? And what is the correct amount?

    Naive me. Like affirmative action, reparations are eternal.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
  14. Gov. newsum should study California history. Not only wasn’t California a slave state but California is the only state to pass a law banning immigrants by race or nationality…The Chinese Exclusion Act.The law was latter ruled unconstitutional. So if California is going to pony up reparations the first in line should be the Chinese. However, it seems the Chinese stayed together as a community and thrived. The majority of blacks now in California willing migrated there, especially during the industrial boom years of WWII. I doubt there are many blacks in Ca. whose ancestors came to the state as slaves.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
  15. Solve for the equilibrium:

    If some states pay slavery reparations and others don’t…

  16. Jack D says:
    @tyrone

    It’s not the powerlines. The power company was just a convenient deep pocket for the lawyers to blame. Too bad this year the causes are things like lightning – you can’t sue God though they are working on it. And some poor schnook doing a gender reveal is not going to have the necessary billions of $.

    Nor is it California’s management of the forests. Most of the forests are Federal land and not controlled by the state.

    The main reason is the weather – it’s just exceptionally hot and dry this year. Maybe it’s global warming, maybe it isn’t. When it is this dry, any spark from any cause is going to start a fire.

    But the deeper cause is that humans have settled in areas that historically were burned over and over. California has had wildfires for millions of years. Fire was part of the natural cycle. Only when humans build their stuff in a fire zone does it become an issue.

    Of course there are things that humans could have done that they didn’t do that made it worse. You can do controlled burns to build fire breaks but these cause pollution and the neighbors don’t like them. Leftist policies always backfire.

  17. songbird says:

    So, they are going to come out with concrete proposals? Might be entertaining…

    I can understand why the governor of California would be crazy, but it is harder for me to understand why the governor of Kentucky is. A lot of blacks live in the capital or something?

  18. Can’t wait for AJC’s take on whether israel should pay reparations to the 500k palestinians who lost their homes in the nakba. I am sure it will be very logically consistent.

  19. @Jack D

    I knew at least one Ukrainian woman who received a one-time payout from Germany, for having been forced to work in a factory without pay. By Western European standards, her surviving relatives are rather poor, but this is clearly due more to poor Soviet and Ukrainian governance than German aggression.

  20. Bucky says:
    @Jack D

    The issue is unresolvable, which is why it is harped upon.

  21. Abe says:

    The 21st Century unfolding to the Helter Skelter rhythms of Charles Manson, social scientist…

    In other news California apparently will start assigning transsexual prisoners to the correctional institutions of their professed gender identity. Commit the crime, do the time… in your own version of CHAINED HEAT 5. You know, even Nazis and Communists, at least when holding prisoners long-term instead of just killing them, did not commit this sort of barbarity…

    • Replies: @International Jew
    , @Dumbo
  22. Speaking of Psycho’s why haven’t you gone after these clowns yet?

    https://www.debates.org/about-cpd/commission-leadership/

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  23. Travis says:

    California needs more diversity. Hopefully they start granting reparations to Blacks to encourage them to leave New New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Maryland to make my Family safer.

  24. Bill H says:

    Latest polls also suggest that the proposition allowing discrimination in employment based on race will pass easily. This state passed an amendment to our constitution prohibiting discrimination, and now we are passing a proposition overturning that amendment.

    • Replies: @res
  25. fish says:
    @Vince Deere

    Ohs Tinys……! Dat be telin U sumpin rite dere 2 Vins.

  26. Thankfully all the Mexicans here will say “¡Chale!”. I think Newsom is setting his party and himself up for the worst backlash the Democrats have seen in many, many years. We’ve got to be somewhere near peak liberalism here.

  27. Tulip says:

    Wow, sounds like California needs more Palestinian sensitivity training.

  28. Lot says:

    City worker pay in SF: make Long Island cop cry.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/09/01/why-san-francisco-is-in-trouble–19000-highly-compensated-city-employees-earned-150000-in-pay–perks/amp/

    “ San Francisco’s self-titled “Mr. Clean,” Mohammed Nuru, Public Works Director, is best known for failed efforts to keep feces and hypodermic needles out of the public way.

    In 2019, Nuru earned $380,120 in total compensation and his base salary alone spiked $65,000 over eight years. It wasn’t enough, apparently. In February 2020, the FBI arrested Nuru in an alleged porta-potty scandal.”

    Meanwhile in Florida

  29. Interesting that reparations are planned for slaves from the Deep South, but not for the Okie field serfs of the mid-20th century; accompanied by complete silence about Californian agricultural and high-tech serfdom in the present.

    Welcome to woke capitalism.

  30. unit472 says:

    Negroes were few and far between in California up until WW2. Then they arrived in large numbers to work in the shipyards and other war industries. While restrictive covenants on the sale of homes were legal up until 1948 there were no Jim Crow style prohibitions on public accommodation so the negro experience in California was entirely different to that of the Slave states or even northern states. Public schools segregation had only existed for Mexicans, Asians and Native Americans ( and it was not ubiquitous or dictated by any state law ) but not negroes so if Newsome wants to pay ‘reparations’ he should pay it to those who were actually discriminated against. The relatively small number of Latinos, Chinese and Indians who lived in California prior to 1950.

  31. Gavin Christopher Newsom = Cow-shit governership, man!

    • LOL: res, Gabe Ruth
  32. @Vince Deere

    It’s not popular with anyone and saying so is idiotic. You don’t cite any sources for your idiotic statement, because there are none.

    It’s inherently unfair to those of us who actually produce things in this world, and your anti-White sentiment is reprehensible.

    Is that you Tiny Dick?

  33. Tiny Duck says:
    @Jack D

    I take it that you are not familiar with epigenetics.

    https://www.whatisepigenetics.com/fundamentals/#:~:text=Epigenetics%20is%20the%20study%20of,how%20cells%20read%20the%20genes.

    All African-Americans alive today are enslaved if you are honest about the science and society.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    , @tyrone
  34. res says:
    @Jack D

    Nor is it California’s management of the forests. Most of the forests are Federal land and not controlled by the state.

    It is depressing that even a smart guy like you seems to have swallowed that talking point. But at least you did not blame the fires solely on climate change. Those seem to be the two officially approved narratives.

    Here is an extended discussion of California forest management from last year.
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/14/californias-government-solely-responsible-for-states-forest-management-and-wildfire-debacle/

    That article references this 2018 Legislative Analyst’s Office report.
    Improving California’s Forest and Watershed Management
    https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3798

    As well as this 2019 Cal Fire report.
    Community Wildfire Prevention & Mitigation Report
    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5759583/Cal-Fire-2019-Community-Wildfire-Prevention-and.pdf

    Some excerpts from the first link. The lines ending in a ‘:’ are typically followed by an extended excerpt from the LAO report elaborating on the point. Double quotes indicate the enclosed statement is from a report.

    The inept government, political and regulatory policies of California have clearly driven the present forest management calamitous conditions with that failure leading to disastrous wildfires throughout the state.

    Those government and political leaders that are responsible for this situation that has been decades in the making have tried to conceal their incompetence by making scientifically unsupported propaganda claims that “climate change” caused this situation. These government driven problems are clearly identified in two recent reports – one by Cal Fire and the other by the California Legislative Analysts Office.

    The state has established a huge gauntlet of regulatory agencies whose policies, procedures and actions have interfered with, misdirected, wasted and delayed the use of appropriate resources that have led to the present forest management and wildfire catastrophe.

    “While forest management responsibilities typically align with ownership, natural processes—such as forest fires, water runoff, and wildlife habitats—do not observe those jurisdictional boundaries. As such, federal and state agencies have developed certain arrangements to collaborate on management activities across California’s forests. For example, federal law has a provision—known as the “Good Neighbor Authority”—that allows states to fund and implement forest health projects on federally owned land. As discussed later, the federal government also funds a number of grant programs to encourage collaborative projects on both federal and nonfederal forestlands. Additionally, federal and state agencies have established agreements for collaborative fire suppression efforts across jurisdictions when fires do occur.”

    Both the state and federal government exercise extensive government and regulatory control over California forestland activities through numerous organizations as noted in Figure 6 from the report.

    Additionally the state of California has a large number of regulatory agencies whose procedures and processes have significant impacts on the ability of actions to go forward in a timely and effective manner regarding necessary forest management efforts. These numerous agencies are defined in Figure 7 below.

    The multitude of state agencies and regulators involved with reviews and approval authority have significantly inhibited needed forest management health activities as identified in the report as follows:

    The state agencies reviews of needed prescribed fire burn projects delay or encumber the ability to utilize this needed process noted in the report as follows:

    The state has improperly focused priority on fire fighting instead of fire prevention that is achieved through effective forest management actions as shown in Figure 9 from the report. This is resulting in the ineffective and costly misallocation of billions of dollars that are driving the continuation of unhealthy forests and increasing wild fire risks and occurrences.

    The federal government changed its priority in 1964 from fire control to fire management as noted in the report:

    California’s government and regulatory agency policies, procedures and actions are out of step with the need to address forest management actions in a manner that effectively enhances forest health and decrease wildfire risks and occurrences.

    The LAO report issues noted above do not represent all of the problem areas identified in this report but provide a clear portrayal of the staggering and mind numbing complexity and ineffectiveness of the states governmental and regulatory agencies and policies that have led to the present debacle in California forest management with the result being significantly increased wildfire risks and occurrences with devastating results in California’s communities.

    Those responsible for this dire situation in the state government and its regulatory agencies along with their media supporters have tried to conceal the state’s role in manufacturing this debacle and instead falsely focus attention on scientifically unsupported claims of “climate change” as being responsible for California’s problems while Californians continue to suffer.

    In addition to the states massive overlay of ineffective and bureaucratic regulatory agencies that have made such a mess of dealing with California’s forest management and wildfire prevention needs a new impediment from these agencies has now emerged regarding the critical ability for communities experiencing disastrous wild fires such as occurred in the city of Paradise to be able to proceed with recovery as noted in a recent Sacramento Bee article.

    The state’s climate alarmist politicians, media and climate activists have attempted to make nebulous and lame excuses that man made “climate change” is accountable for the poor forest conditions and increased wildfires but these claims are unsupported by climate data going back more than 1,000 years showing extensive periods of extreme droughts and precipitation in California have long existed and that no definitive change in this very long term climate record has been established as was noted in a Los Angeles Times article from 2014.

    Concluding paragraph.

    The Cal Fire and LAO reports present a real world picture identifying that California’s government and regulatory agencies are responsible for the present terrible condition of California’s forests along with the resulting increased wildfire risks and occurrences. The excuse that “climate change” has caused these problems is nothing but scientifically unsupported propaganda being used in an attempt to conceal that the state government is really responsible for these outcomes.

    [MORE]

    This comment on the article is funny enough to include, but I put it after a MORE to not diminish the emphasis on the concluding paragraph above.

    Bill Powers May 14, 2019 at 8:59 am

    It was shortly thereafter that the politicians created the Department of Redirecting Blame which now employs more government workers than the Department of Nature Resources.

    The DRB has a seat on the IPCC and funded the most recent report of how Global warming caused a pine beetle holocaust. As the pine beetle was destroying forestry through no fault of the bureaucracy it ran into a firestorm created by the same global warming that caused the pine beetle to be in the forest in the first place.

    “Darn Global Warming” the title of the report read. It included a picture of Smokey the Bear pointing straight at the reader proclaiming “Its all your fault” only you can prevent global warming.

    As a political footnote: The DRB was the agency responsible for the primary research on HRC’s Book “What Happened” and quietly takes credit for the Steele Dossier but publicly redirected blame to Fusion GPS.

    • Thanks: MBlanc46
  35. @Vince Deere

    If he is so crazy then why are reparations so popular with People of Color, women, and young people?

    Look at the facts.

    Blacks will support reparations for obvious reasons.

    Most Whites that support reparations are simply indoctrinated into believing in paint theory (race is just skin color). This leads Whites on a never-ending quest to “fix” racial inequality as they assume it is unnatural and caused by racist Whites. Reparations fits the narrative that Whites held back Blacks and own them over slavery. This is combined with dishonest liberal history like “40 acres and a mule” which is taught as a promise from the government to ex-slaves. That was never the the case, it was actually one plot of land that was divided and the suggestion by a general was to split it among the slaves that had worked the land.

    95% of Whites would not support reparations if they were told the history of Liberia, Haiti and other cases where Africans had plenty of autonomy and did not create Wakanda. Most Whites also have no idea as to how much the Federal government has already spent on paint-theory based programs.

    California is led by feelings first liberals and if anything will continue to spend money on paint theory based programs. Meaning even if the state decides to pay reparations they will most likely blow it on government programs instead of writing checks. My guess would be that teachers will end up getting more than Blacks.

  36. AaronB says:

    I always try and look beyond the obvious.

    This may be the beginning of a general UBI. First give it to blacks, but how much longer until it gets offered to every one.

    That’s why I’m also cautiously optimistic about BLM riots. On the surface, they’re terrible, but I don’t think they’re really about race. Civilization becomes too stifling every now and then – work, discipline, order – and needs to be “loosened up” periodically. Freud understood this.

    People get bored with too much stability. They need a bit of chaos. That’s why we had WW1.

    The Chinese figured out a perfect solution to the problem of civilization that avoids these periodic Western shake ups – Taoism. It helps you live more freely and naturally in society, and if it gets too much, it was perfectly legitimate to retire to the hills and become a wandering “mountain man”.

    Without any such institutions, the West experiences constant revolution.

  37. guest007 says:
    @res

    That still does not refute the fact that the federal government owns over 46% of California including a large part of the forest. The state government owns a much smaller fraction of California versus the federal government.

    • Replies: @res
    , @Buffalo Joe
  38. Jack D says:
    @res

    From the report that you cite:

    The federal government through the U.S. Forest Service (USFS), Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and National Park Service owns about 19 million acres of the total 33 million acres of forestlands in the state of California representing about 57% of the forest areas.

    I really don’t know much about this but doesn’t the fed. gov. and not the state control fuel management (controlled burns, cutting of trees, etc. ) on Federal land? I’m sure that California, with its emphasis on “the environment” has probably not done enough fuel reduction on its own land and has prevented private owners from conducting their own fuel reduction (thus making the current fires much worse) but as I understand Federal supremacy the Fed gov does not have to follow state law. I could imagine though that rather than fight the local authorities they would follow their lead and not do burns/ harvesting if the state officials were against them.

    I am not trying to contradict you, I ‘m just trying to understand how this works regarding fuel management on Federal land which is the majority of CA forest.

    For example, federal law has a provision—known as the “Good Neighbor Authority”—that allows states to fund and implement forest health projects on federally owned land.

    This doesn’t sound that great – Fed gov. will do it if the state pays. States never have enough $.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @res
    , @Alden
  39. @Jack D

    What about to gay men who were imprisoned under sodomy laws?

    • Replies: @roo_ster
  40. pirelli says:

    Don’t forget the diversity quotas for boards of publicly traded companies! Governor Bateman has been busy.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/california-rolls-out-diversity-quotas-for-corporate-boards-11601507471

  41. Flip says:

    It will be good when the US dollar goes Brazilian and people will actually have to pay taxes to fund things rather than relying on the Federal Reserve’s horn of plenty.

  42. jimbo says:
    @Vince Deere

    Free money is always popular with the people who are receiveing it. Oddly, it tends to be less popular with the people who are paying it…

  43. J.Ross says:

    OT: this will be Chicago’s worst month for murder since the 90s.
    http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com/2020/10/worst-september-in-generation.html

    • Replies: @donut
  44. I really don’t know much about this but doesn’t the fed. gov. and not the state control fuel management (controlled burns, cutting of trees, etc. ) on Federal land?

    It’s more like a trust system where the state manages the land based on its own interests.

    So the state can request a permit for certain activities like fire control but it doesn’t have to.

    For example, federal law has a provision—known as the “Good Neighbor Authority”—that allows states to fund and implement forest health projects on federally owned land.

    This doesn’t sound that great – Fed gov. will do it if the state pays. States never have enough $.

    The states actually make billions from BLM land through logging, grazing and mining. A lot of it goes to education.

    Anyways there is another problem which is that too many Californians like to build their homes in the middle of a forest. Well those forests are designed by nature to burn.

  45. Farenheit says:

    No Governor in the Union uses the “Curly Effect” as skillfully or ruthlessly as Newsom. Increasingly that’s all he does.

  46. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    This was settled the last time this came up, but the lyingpress steamrollered over the few relevant links by repeating “climate change” a million times. California mostly only gets rain within one period, like an Asian country with the monsoon (leaving lots of time for fuel to dry out), and California actually does everything it can to not clear its forests, and obstruct help, although feds do contribute money.

    In the early 1990s, a series of restrictions were placed on logging in the West to protect the Spotted Owl. As it turned out, nature was more complicated than expected, with owl numbers continuing to decline—even after the California timber harvest plummeted—due to predation from other raptors.

    In the meantime, the harvest fell below the growth rate in the 1990s, to about 1.5 billion board feet per year over the past decade. The tree harvest on federal lands is now one-tenth of what it was in 1988, President Reagan’s last full year in office.

    The California forest report draft concludes by observing that the “Current flux [of CO2] may not be sustainable without forest management!” while citing the challenge of “Aging of forests on federal lands.”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/02/25/wildfires-caused-by-bad-environmental-policy-are-causing-california-forests-to-be-net-co2-emitters/#77376a195e30

  47. J.Ross says:
    @Jack D

    The main reason is the weather

    And the arsonists, as in Brazil and Australia.

    it’s just exceptionally hot and dry this year

    I know, right, normally California is noted for its bayous.

    • Replies: @Lot
  48. Altai says:

    OT: US cycling team rider suspended for admitting his intention to vote for the incumbent president of the USA.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rising-cyclist-star-suspended-us-team-one-word-pro-trump-tweet

  49. @Altai

    Mainland Europeans don’t seem to be as on board with cancel culture so I’m not surprised the Dutch journalist is horrified her Twitter lip service actually ended up destroying a young man’s life.

    Anyway, the Republicans just secured another lifetime voter. If only billionaires on the right used their vast resources to help people in this type of situation the way the left does. I’m sure there’s a potential lawsuit in there for the athlete guy, it doesn’t seem legal to essentially fire someone for wanting to vote for a candidate.

  50. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    A major problem with reparations is the narcissism rooted in American black culture which hasn’t been addressed, much less confronted. Authority defiance disorder is so deeply rooted in the american black psyche, as to make it an existential given.

    So how can you “pay off” an ingrate? How do you salve the psychic wounds of a narcissist? You can’t.

    If blacks in America feel they can’t compete in modern civilization without a handout for past considered misdeeds, they MUST find another country which will allow them to proceed to a better life, without the constant reminder of their old master’s whip hand.

    Until american blacks somehow arrive at this conclusion, their perverse scab-picking will continue, black men will continue to reject their own black babies, successful blacks will continue to seek out white women, leaving even more black women by the wayside, and…

    blacks across the socio-economic map will continue to let us down.

  51. I wonder how California’s majority post-slavery, non-White immigrants feel about all this. Will they rebel against their loco White elites or keep their heads down and continue to rubber stamp the Democrat’s SJW agenda? It’s about time for that ‘Coalition of the Fringes’ to show the true meaning of multiculturalism.

  52. @Jack D

    What about reparations for black citizens born before 1965? How many are there? How much longer will they be alive? Make it contingent and personal to those individuals rather than a multigenerational racial entitlement. It’s a can of worms but since it’s already been opened, then maybe it’s wiser to approach it in light of political strategy by getting out in front of this and reframing it. Far better to focus on questions of “deserving” individuals than on giving any more credence to dangerous CRT racial enemies ideology. It might also serve as a wedge between older black church ladies and gents and their radicalized younger generations.

    Maybe this is naive, or maybe it’s prudent. I don’t know.

  53. Abe says:
    @Altai

    OT: US cycling team rider suspended for admitting his intention to vote for the incumbent president of the USA.

    YUGE lawsuit in the wings. Maybe criminal charges. IMNAL, but employers rewarding and or punishing employees for voting any particular way is s big NO-NO with almost a century of case law behind it. Possibly this is even a criminal matter now.

  54. CA just became the first state in the nation…

    Is California still in the nation? Which nation?

    The traditional phrase is “in the union”. Not so much anymore: E pluribus insaniam.

  55. syonredux says:

    Who can forget the slaves signing their sad spirituals while they picked the cotton of the vast plantations of Burbank and North Hollywood?

    Actually, California was admitted as a free state in 1851, but there were certain loopholes that allowed slaves to be brought into the state for the next 12 years.

    Here’s the key point, Steve:

    The law establishes a nine-member taskforce to develop recommendations for how California could provide reparations to Black descendants of enslaved people and those affected by slavery, and would look into what form those reparations might take and who would receive them.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/30/california-slavery-reparations-law

    You merely have to be “affected by slavery”…..

    • Agree: bruce county
    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    , @Jack D
    , @Escher
  56. California: Angela Davis (b. 1944) vs. Leslie Van Houten. (b. 1949)

    Angela Davis was the Black Panther and Communist who supplied guns for the 1970 Marin county courtroom takeover in which four people died, including a judge.

    Leslie Van Houten was part of Charles Manson’s entourage, and was present when others killed the LaBiancas in 1969. She was not an instigator or leader, and struck no fatal blows.

    Angela Davis is today a professor emerita at the University of California. Leslie Van Houten is still in prison and has been denied parole 22 times, including petitions to Governor Jerry Brown (who turned her down), on the grounds the now 71 year old could be “a danger to society”. Her case for clemency is now before Governor Newsom.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
  57. @syonredux

    “I was affected by slavery. My ancestors were locked out of potentially lucrative cotton-picking jobs by all those slave laborers.”

  58. Jack D says:
    @syonredux

    those affected by slavery

    Those affected by slavery includes everyone. I would like the white cotton planters of antebellum Mississippi to pay me reparations because their desire for cheap labor means that half of Philadelphia is a no-go zone for white people 150 years later.

  59. @Vince Deere

    Yeah, it tells you who the victims are.

  60. @Jack D

    “Germany pays reparations to individual Jews whose health was injured as a result of forced labor.”

    One of my relatives was an actual slave – as a POW captured near the beginning of WW2 by the Japanese.

    Unlike some Jews who were taught machinist skills in the German work camps (and later prospered from it post-war), my relative was starved, beaten, and barely survived 4 years of hell doing hard labor.

    He got nothing in reparations. He did, however, live an admirable and successful life until he died in the 1970’s.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Johann Ricke
  61. @Abe

    You’re trolling, right? No one could believe that in Year Zero “a century of case law” means more than jack shit. We only have one legal principle: who/whom.

    Trump is literally Hitler, and we are long past the point where the ACLU would jump in to defend someone fired for saying he’d vote for David Duke or George Lincoln Rockwell.

    Your “rights” mean jack shit if prosecutors, judges, and the SCOTUS all agree to screw you.

    Ever hear of Jake Gardner?

    “Gardner did not have the right to vote Republican. His support for President Trump was one reason for Franklin’s indicting him in the first place (otherwise he wouldn’t have mentioned Trump at the press conference).”

    Includes a long list over every other right and “case law” shitcanned to persecute Gardner:

    https://counter-currents.com/2020/10/jake-gardner/

    • Replies: @Abe
  62. Flip says:
    @Abe

    At some point, this will come to violence. The left is going to regret their take no prisoners approach.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  63. Anonymous[368] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    MUST READ COVID VACCINE INSANITY…

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/covid-19-vaccine-trial-participants-report-day-long-migraines-fever

    Healthy people offering themselves like lab rats! …..to get a vaccine against a weakling virus that kills almost no one and bounces off middle age homeless drug addicts.

    Hutchison, a 44-year-old computational biologist in Utah, said he signed up for Moderna’s phase three trial because he’s healthy, physically fit and a big believer in vaccines…… He got his second shot at a clinic on Sept. 15. Eight hours later, he said he was bed bound with a fever of over 101, shakes, chills, a pounding headache and shortness of breath.

    Second shot? CAN YOU IMAGINE BEING A BIOLOGIST AND FALLING FOR THIS SICK HOAX

    All brought to you by the “medical establishment” which is:

    1 WHO
    2 Bill Gates
    3 Anthony Fauci

    …all of whom have been discredited.

    Imagine putting your healthy life into their corrupt greedy little hands! Chasing a f***ing RNA vaccine which has never been done before for damn good reasons.

    Article says 41 of these fraudulent vaccines are in production worldwide! PLANET SICKO

  64. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jack D

    Some people hope to get more:

    Apparently, the Dutch and French railways now pay reparations too:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/06/28/holocaust-concentration-camps-dutch-railway-pay-reparations/1593266001/

    Presumably, the people who worked for those railways under German occupation should have simply refused to keep the trains running. And then get stood up against a wall and shot.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  65. @Jack D

    Wouldn’t the descendants of plantation owners who foolishly employed slaves, and thus lost everything after the war, be entitled to reparations, as being “affected by slavery.” ?

    “We would own half of Louisiana today if great great grandpappy Col Beauregarde had invested in shrimp, not slave-harvested cotton.”

    Many Northern industrial families have a similar story, around the Depression.

    “Some people have no confidence in this country.”

    Starting at 3:50 —

  66. Anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    Ah! I’ve figured out those clever California Democrats. You see, what they’re trying to do is that they’re planning for a Trump win in 2020. Not for nothing is Newsum a relative of nasty-clever Pelosi. So if Trump wins and clamps down on the borders, the California Democrats (aka Nuisance Newsum) want to be sure they can continue their one-party Democratic voting state. So how to keep a left-voting electorate pouring over their borders?

    They’ll give blacks reparations–and other states won’t. So what will happen? Just like the Great Migration did in the 1920s, blacks will flock to the Gibs Me Dat state. Yes, California will end up with all the blacks in America flocking to get their handout.

    Yessiree, it’s a pretty clever trick. However, all those Mexicans might start objecting to paying the tax and having to put up with the massive increase in crime. The drugged-out homelessness that will occur on the streets will make what has gone before look insignificant.

    Goodbye, California, you had a nice run. Newsum, Pelosi, and the rest of the California Democrats make the corrupt politicians of Mexico look like amateurs at the art of destroying the state for their own personal political gain.

  67. I am so sick and tired of these partisan orgs who claim the supposed moral authority of their group’s common denominator (its “identity”) so as to give weight to the idiotic, political policies the group holds dear.

    Policies of which the said identity traditionally has nothing to say (except maybe to oppose).

    What is the AJC’s position on the chances, within the next 20 years, of finding intelligent, extraterrestrial life?

  68. @Vince Deere

    For fuck’s sake Tiny we already gave you all the white women. What else do you want?

  69. anon[269] • Disclaimer says:

    Will the Californians who get reparations be required to drive electric cars before 2035?

  70. John Carr says:

    First question on reparations; how much should half-white, no-American slave ancestry Mr Obama pay Mrs Obama and their daughters with presumably 100% and 75% slave ancestry?
    Second question should the descendants of slaves taken by Native Americans on the Trail of Tears get to keep their reparations or should it go into a pot to compensate for stolen land?

  71. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Abe

    Whites are below the law. Literally no rights at all ever. This was the whole point of Kings Dream and Civil Rights.

  72. I wish Newsome would have some empathy for those of us in neighboring states. His policies are sending Californians here in droves. Once they realize that he’s serious about banning cars and fast food, we’ll be up to our necks in the people who voted for him in the first place. It wouldn’t be so bad if I could believe that they learned their lesson.

  73. Alfa158 says:
    @Vince Deere

    Haven’t heard from Tiny in a while and now he puts in an appearance again. I wonder where he occasionally disappears to.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @bruce county
  74. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    Yes, most of the forest is federal lands. No, the federal forests are not properly managed due to liberals satanic evil influence on the federal and state courts. I forget the name of the lawsuit.

    Federal judges ordered both the managers of federal and state forests to stop clearing brush and harvesting fallen limbs and dead trees. As a result the dry brush accumulated every year. Bushes are full of resin creosote and flammable substances. So are trees, especially fir trees California has a lot of fir trees. We’ve all heard the warnings about dry Christmas trees? Well imagine miles and miles of dead dried up Christmas tree limbs,

    Like every bad and evil thing since Brown vs Topeka 1953, it’s federal judges that caused the fires.

    The idiot liberal environmentalists figured that a couple million years ago there were no humans to use the brush and fallen limbs and trees. So just let it accumulate and in decades it would turn into humus and in centuries soil.

    Of course that only happens quickly in rainy damp climates. In a dry climate it dead wood takes much longer to turn to humus and soul. I don’t believe humus is flammable but too lazy to look it up.

    2 relatives were the only survivors in their neighborhood of the October 2017 fire in Santa Rosa. The only reason they survived is that the county road workers had defied the judicial order and maintained the fire road by clearing brush for 30 feet on either side. They got out with nothing but car keys. They had to smash through the back fence.

    The city road was on fire because the brush had never been cleared in insane obedience to the federal judge’s order. So they wen out the back and listened to their neighbors screaming as they burnt to death all the way down the mountain.

    Rural area, septic and propane tank neighborhood. The propane tanks exploded and blew flaming gas all over. Only reason they survived is they were high up enough they heard and saw the first explosions.

    I was in our house in SF at the time and they arrived about 3/am. His 2 best friends died along with most of the neighbors.

    The flammable brush and dead trees have been accumulating for about 30 years.

    Yes, it’s a dry climate. Yes California has had forest fires for millions of years.

    For at least 100K years humanoids have used the dead brush, fallen limbs and trees. A thousand years ago the brush was used for firewood. 50 years ago the lumber companies harvested the brush and ground it up for chipboard and plywood. The fallen limbs became firewood. The dying trees were cut down and what was salvageable cut into lumber.

    California is full of sissy NYC carpetbagger boys who are anti pruning. College campuses have to do the pruning on breaks otherwise the morons will gather to “ save the trees”

    Liberals of whatever kind are ignorant morons. Their tool is not elected legislators but unelected life tenured federal judges who are as ignorant as the liberals they favor.

    It’s the liberals and judges who ordered the utility companies not to prune tree limbs growing over power lines. A strong wind and the long dead limbs fall and break the power lines.

    Climate change is another lie. How do I know it’s a lie? I read it in the NYSLIMES LASLIMES
    WAPO, Nat Geo.

    I’m also familiar with the little ice age 1500/1850, the famous warming period 700-1100 when wheat could be grown in N Germany, oranges in France and a real crop farming community could be established in Greenland which is now a glacier. And the switch from cool weather to hot weather around the Mediterranean between 4,000 and 3,000 BC.

    If it’s in the MSN it’s a lie.

    Liberals and judges killed those neighbors of brother in law and his wife. Burnt to death, unable to save their children by liberals and their ignorance.

  75. George says:

    Hey I Steve, I got a super genius reparations idea for Gov Newsom. Instead of banning internal combustion engine cars for everyone after 2035, ban them for everyone except Blacks. Actually why not let Blacks drive anything vehicle for sale new anywhere. So Blacks could drive those $5000 cars they sell in India.

  76. Alden says:
    @Alfa158

    Tiny probably disappears to 4 months in county jail.

    • LOL: JMcG
  77. @Jack D

    Jack, you type faster than me. Who, in the USA, hasn’t been affected by slavery? From trashed neighborhoods to qualified applicants being passed over to fulfill quotas, whether in school or employment.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  78. res says:
    @Jack D

    I really don’t know much about this but doesn’t the fed. gov. and not the state control fuel management (controlled burns, cutting of trees, etc. ) on Federal land?

    “Control” is a complicated word. Do you control what happens on your property? Yes, except for the part where you have to obey applicable local, state, and federal laws. BTW, these issues apply just as much (probably more in fact, since individuals are less powerful) to individuals attempting to improve fire safety on their own property.

    My sense is the Feds operate under constraints imposed by the state in this case. That seems backwards in a way, but based on the links I gave (I tried to draw this out in my excerpts) that is how it works.

    I don’t understand all of this as well as I would like. There is a great deal of complexity and partisanship surrounding this issue (and IMHO oversimplified talking points like Newsom with “Climate change!” implying he can’t do anything about it do not help).

    I thought the concluding paragraph was abundantly clear (if not bias-free) and was backed up adequately by my excerpts (and even more by the report excerpts which I elided).

    Perhaps you could look at the excerpts and see if you agree with my interpretation concerning “control”? Even better, take a closer look at the first link I gave.

    To be clear, I’m not convinced the Feds want to spend the money and suspect there is significant buck passing going on on both sides. But that said, the environmental rules in CA can be onerous, and if nothing else they generally tend to increase expenses dramatically.

    For example, federal law has a provision—known as the “Good Neighbor Authority”—that allows states to fund and implement forest health projects on federally owned land.

    This doesn’t sound that great – Fed gov. will do it if the state pays. States never have enough $.

    Agreed that is one of the weaker points. But it does mean the state can’t just throw up their hands and claim “we can’t do anything.”

    • Replies: @anon
  79. res says:
    @Altai

    The double standards are breath taking. Jose’ Been’s tweet is acceptable, but Quinn Simmons’ response is cause for suspension. What a country we have.

  80. Alden says:
    @Jack D

    The federal forests are mismanaged the same way, pile up of dead trees and brush for about 30 years because of a liberals lawsuit and a federal court order. That order applies to all national parks and federal forests.

    I just posted a longer explanation but it was marked as spam. I’ll try again and tell you about how an entire neighborhood near Santa Rosa was destroyed in the October 2017 fire.

  81. I have said this before, pay the reparations and I will hire armed security, fill a tractor trailer with flat screens and rims and have the money back in a week. Note to bankers. don’t expect an increase in savings accounts. Note to creditors, don’t expect outstanding debt to be paid off. Note to taxpayers, buy vasoline while it is still available.

    • LOL: FPD72
    • Replies: @Clyde
  82. northeast says:

    A family member recently left California and took his small business with him. The only thing left he loved about the state was the weather.

  83. Clyde says:
    @res

    It is important to note that California faces a massive backlog of forest management work. Millions of acres are in need of treatment, and this work— once completed—must be repeated over the years. Also, while fuels treatment such as forest thinning and creation of fire breaks can help reduce fire severity, wind-driven wildfire events that destroy lives and property will very likely still occur.

    This report’s recommendations on priority fuel reduction projects and administrative, regulatory, and policy changes can protect our most vulnerable communities in the short term and place California on a trajectory away from increasingly destructive fires and toward more a moderate and manageable fire regime.”

    The above is from your https://wattsupwiththat.com/ link. All this clearing of dead wood in the forests must be expensive and time consuming. Let my guess be this will cost California 2 billion dollars and take 5-7 years to complete.
    California is unwilling to spend, to invest in cleaning up its forests. They defund this, a bit like defunding the police. Then you get criminals running rampant. Obviously the California preference is to deal with the forest fires as they come. To spend money yearly on forest fire emergency by forest fire emergency.

  84. anon[977] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    Please note that fire abatement plans are government plans, and thus always subject to lawsuit by any parties who can claim they will be affected negatively or harmed somehow. Similar to the way spotted owl habitat lawsuits ended logging in some areas. Thinning trees is logging in a legal sense, and therefore fire abatement via fuel reduction can run right into the same greenie “never cut a tree down because public interest” lawfare, too. I’m pretty sure that more than one Cali fire abatement plan has been stalled in courts over the last 20 years.

    Also notice that while the federal Bureau of Land Management is part of the Department of the Interior, while the federal US Forest Service is part of the Department of Agriculture. There are forested areas that turn out to be BLM and scrubby areas that are USFS, and the agencies do not always see things the same way.

    Add those two plus the California agencies and oversight, the possibilities for legal gridlock just grow and grow.

    tl;dr
    The bureaucratization of life in the US has a lot of not so obvious effects on the land.

    • Thanks: res
  85. Clyde says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Mashing the like button three times! Though expand the trailer’s inventory a bit, but the allure of buying “yo stuff” hot off the back of the semi-trailer with yo hot reparations money is undeniable.

    • Thanks: Buffalo Joe
  86. @Jack D

    Jack, find the time to go over to SF Gate (San Francisco Chronicle online). Good article on “controlled burns” in a Tahoe State Park. Quite informative.

  87. Clyde says:
    @Jack D

    Those affected by slavery includes everyone. I would like the white cotton planters of antebellum Mississippi to pay me reparations because their desire for cheap labor means that half of Philadelphia is a no-go zone for white people 150 years later.

    I have relatives who live a mile up the Mainline. North of Philadelphia city limits. After the Floyd death there was some looting, trashing retail stores like CVS, just over in Philadelphia. They are selling their house now, though they had been planning to.

  88. The inevitable upcoming reparations are a good reason to never ever get US citizenship. Unless you’re black of course.

  89. res says:

    Thanks, Joe. Here is an excerpt.

    But there are a lot of reasons why prescribed burns don’t happen more frequently.

    “You start thinking about all the things that have to align,” Rowe says, “and you have to have the conditions, the weather and fuel conditions. Then you have to get permission from the air resources and you have to have firefighting capacity.”

    To start, funding is limited. The entire prescribed burn operation at Sugar Pine runs on grants. This year, Murray’s crew is operating short-staffed with only six people, half as many as usual. The dearth of affordable housing in Tahoe is a big hurdle for hiring. To supplement the crew, the state parks rely on Cal Fire — the state’s firefighting agency — for personnel, fire trucks and equipment. At the moment, however, Cal Fire is devoting most if not all of its resources to fighting the wildfires that are burning across the state.

    “There’s always this balance that happens in fire,” Rowe says. “When there’s a wildfire, we put all our resources to it. And generally, that means we’re taking resources from preventative actions that would get us out of having large wildfires.”

    Air quality and smoke are more hurdles, and Adams works closely with air quality regulators. He’s on the phone with them daily during burn season. “When the atmospheric conditions are appropriate, meaning that the smoke is going to lift and disperse, they always let us [burn],” Adams says. One of the bigger challenges in terms of air quality is actually all of the events that draw people to Tahoe during a traditionally quieter time of year. “I’m not going to burn on the day of the marathon. No way,” Adams says.

    The Sacramento Bee had a 2019 article which was a bit less optimistic.
    Fighting fire with fire: Should California burn its forests to protect against catastrophe?

    I wonder how it is that Sugar Pine Point State Park is having good results while there seem to be so many problems elsewhere. Are different regulators involved? Different sources of funding?

  90. @Jack D

    I could have sworn one of the lessons of WWI was that reparations, though superficially justified, were actually a bad idea. But I guess that’s just when gentiles get them.

    And reparations weren’t limited to the case you described:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany

  91. Daniel H says:

    Circular firing squad, encourage. More mistrust, dissension, bitterness is a good thing.

  92. Given the, let’s say, struggles, involved in sharing a country with blacks and given the vastly higher standard of living of american descendants of slaves compared to their distant cousins in West Africa, shouldn’t blacks pay whites reparations? It seems like all the evidence of harm goes in the opposite direction of what these people are claiming.

  93. Sounds like Newsom got wind of the curriculum and saw some pro-BDS stuff in there, or perhaps some unauthorized references to the Armenian Holocaust. That would explain the veto, and the AJC’s bland but revealing tweet.

  94. Escher says:
    @syonredux

    What about all those future Americans affected by slavery as well?
    It has scarred multiple generations of Taiwanese, Indonesian and (of course) Nigerian school kids.

  95. @Jack D

    Maybe state-by-state reparation payments is the way to go. Any money paid to blacks by California will be funded by Hispanics, Asians, immigrants, and left-wing whites.

    BTW, for reference, the current value of 40 acres and a mule is about $121,000 ($3K per acre plus $1K for the mule). It might be worth it if the deal included a provision that we are now officially “even” so that blacks and leftists have to forever STFU about “systemic racism.”

    • Replies: @Hubbub
  96. syonredux says:

    Are Matty Yglesias’ readers dumb enough to actually believe this?

    Matty Yglesias:

    A somewhat related and equally repulsive Trumpian notion is the idea that American Jews are actually Israeli.

  97. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    Matty Yglesias:

    Trump’s view that naturalized citizens (at least if non-white) are not actually Americans has to be his single most toxic intervention into the national debate.

    They are only Americans in a legal sense, Matty. Plenty of them are quite upfront about their disloyalty. For example, Salma Hayek, right after getting naturalized, talked about still being loyal to Mexico.

    This is is the end of the country.

    Wasn’t that the plan, Matty, to have non-European immigration destroy the USA?

    • Replies: @syonredux
  98. TheJester says:

    This just might work …

    Let the People’s Republic of California pay reparations to Amerindians, Blacks, Japanese, Chinese, and all other “capitalized” racial and ethnic collections for slights and insults seen and unseen. But we can’t forget the 33 million Irish whose ancestors built the railroads and cleaned the homes of upper-class WASPS … or the 14 million Italians whose ancestors suffered decades from Mafia-mania.

    However, given recent immigration, this is not the end of people that the United States has insulted or slighted in some way. The final bill will include and cancel the sins and oversights stretching from the present to 1619 to include 330 years of US history, including those who recently got off the boat, descended the gangway, or snuck across an unmarked boarder. I’m sure the 61-million member Hispanic community is preparing their vitaes as I write to queue in line for compensation.

    Let’s see. The above list would include at least 150 million people, which does not include the slights and oversights inflicted on white women, homosexuals, and the handicapped. Include them … and where are we now? 329 million give or take a few. That’s close to the current population of the United States. What a burden to bear!

    A radically “woke” and bankrupt California paying reparations to the entire population of the United States is a welcome ticket to finally eliminating California as a political and economic force in the United States of America. The plague would be over!

    This is is farce … but we can hope and pray.

    P.S. We used to live in California. We’re political, economic, social, and moral refugees who escaped first chance we got.

  99. “Reparations” are “payments made by a defeated nation after a war to pay for damages or expenses it caused to another nation.” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/reparation

    Now that whites are a minority group in California, the state sees them as a defeated group who must be required to pay up like the Germans at Versailles.

    But don’t worry, the idea that replacement will have negative consequences for whites is right-wing conspiracy theory.

  100. HenryA says:

    I don’t know much about California’s past mistreatment of POC. But I do remember reading in Richard Henry Dana’s Two Years Before the Mast how the original Indians of California were treated as slaves by the Spanish and Mexicans. Perhaps the few descendants of those Indians that remain could receive reparations, that is from the Spanish and Mexican governments.

  101. @Mr. Anon

    Presumably, the people who worked for those railways under German occupation should have simply refused to keep the trains running. And then get stood up against a wall and shot.

    My wife’s great grandfather was stood up against a wall and shot — up against the wall of his church in his little, Transylvanian village with other villagers. He and they were Christians. I have been there and seen that little, white church and his grave nearby with other family graves.

    The soldiers who shot him and his neighbors were Russian communists.

    Nobody has received any reparations, and stories like this are hardly known outside the families to which they happened.

    Certain Jewish organizations and people have built themselves a monopoly on the suffering and horror of that war. As far this poorly-educated, 1/4 Jewish commenter knows, no other victims of that time have been given as much compensation, memorialization, and downright promotion of their suffering and losses.

    Reparations are bullshit unless every human being who deserves them gets them. Since that doesn’t happen, they simply are bullshit going to whoever has the power to get them.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  102. Jack D says:
    @Beavertales

    Unlike some Jews who were taught machinist skills in the German work camps (and later prospered from it post-war), my relative was starved, beaten, and barely survived 4 years of hell doing hard labor.

    I am sorry for your relative (who rightfully should have received reparations from the Japanese government) but your notion that a German concentration camp was some kind of vocational school where Jews could pick up valuable machinist skills is ridiculous.

  103. @Altai

    “Peter flax” sounds like a painful urinary tract disorder.

    By the way, be careful whom you post about here. I had a link to a Mac Davis song, and he was dead within hours. Did he see the comment and drop dead? Was he murdered by Antifa for appearing here?

    Davis’s mother, though, turns 101 next week.

  104. Abe says:
    @Jack D

    Those affected by slavery includes everyone.

    I’m not someone with any legal background as you seem to be, Jack, but when I was more into this sort of thing I remember in the mid-90’s a significant Supreme Court ruling which struck down a Federal law banning guns within a certain distance of schools (100 feet?/20 yards? whatever…). It wasn’t the particular law that was important so much as the fact that for the first time in maybe a generation the Supreme Court was actually taking the Commerce Clause of the Constitution seriously. Even many moderate liberal legal commentators were huffing over the fact that because we all go to primary school… something something… primary school clearly affects interstate commerce and may be controlled by the Federal government as it sees fit. Anyone who disagrees with that is some sort of originalist/strict constructionist weirdo. So since everything on earth is affected by interstate commerce, slavery, which was merely a subset of it once upon a time, should affect everything too.

  105. peterike says:
    @Jack D

    Germany pays reparations to individual Jews whose health was injured as a result of forced labor.

    No, the payments are much wider than that. They were close to $90 billion paid out as of 2012, so the NY Times tells me. They include spouses of “survivors” (awful lot of survivors around). I personally knew a couple who left Germany before the war, spent it comfortably in Shanghai, and got payments forever after. Whatever the technicalities of the payments, in reality any Jew who raises a hand gets paid. You have to “prove” you “hid” from the Nazis for six months. And it doesn’t have to have been in Germany. I guess that includes hiding in China. Like all such payment schemes, fraud and abuse are rife. And there are multiple and over-lapping payments.

  106. Daniel H says:
    @Beavertales

    Leslie Van Houten should have been paroled long ago. Sirhan Sirhan should have been paroled long ago.

  107. Jack D says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Your notion that no one should get justice unless EVERYONE gets justice is ridiculous.

    Let’s say that you and your friend are both in an auto accident the same day and suffer similar injuries. You are hit from behind by an Amazon truck and your friend gets hit by a teenager driving a stolen unregistered car. Would you say that you shouldn’t get any compensation for your injuries from Amazon just because your friend can’t collect from Devontius?

    My mother never received any compensation from the Soviets either for having her family’s home and mill taken away or for getting sent to Siberia and nearly starving to death. Not a plug ruble. But she did not begrudge that my father was able to gain some compensation because his village happened to be on the German side of the line when Hitler and Stalin split up Poland. Any justice is better than no justice. You take what justice you can get. We need more justice in the world, not less.

    But some people apparently operate on the “kill my neighbor’s horse” principle.

    Note that when I speak of justice I am speaking of individual justice, for actual injuries personally suffered by you, not your ancestors or race or whatever.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  108. res says:
    @Bill H

    Where are you seeing that? The most recent burst of polls two weeks ago made it look like Prop 16 was losing.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  109. tyrone says:
    @Vince Deere

    Reparation popular with POCs ???? you mean people want FREE money ??? WOW just WOW!…are you sure ,did you poll that?

  110. tyrone says:
    @Jack D

    I’m just one of THOSE people than gets all his information from watching Trump rallies on youtube.

  111. res says:
    @guest007

    But it does call into question the conclusion that the feds are the problem (and not the state laws and various lawsuits) preventing fire suppression measures.

    Let me put things another way. Is the fire suppression any better on state owned land?

    • Replies: @guest007
  112. res says:
    @Anonymous Jew

    That was interesting (though more applicable to OR and WA than CA). Thanks!

    For anyone interested, here is Cliff Mass’ response to being cancelled.
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/13/cliff-mass-fights-back-against-knkxfm/

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
  113. Abe says:
    @James O'Meara

    You’re trolling, right? No one could believe that in Year Zero “a century of case law” means more than jack shit. We only have one legal principle: who/whom.

    The Covington Boys got beaucoup cash from Bezos, etc. for defamation. Gardener could have beaten his case, or gotten a pardon from the governor. All this crazy talk about dividing the country in two, yet not 1/100 the civil disobedience, the legal defense and offense, the fundraising and organization and marching that homos employed to ensure they can now cornhole each other in public restrooms with impunity. Sad.

  114. @Achmed E. Newman

    Another Commie comes out of the closet.

    Rahan, c’mon, man! Bullet trains to Bakerfield.

    You don’t know me, but you don’t like me. How many of you Commies can sit and judge me, and walk the streets of Bakersfield?

    Yeah, that’s Buck Owens!

  115. guest007 says:
    @res

    But many of the laws that are attributed to the state such as the Clean Air Act and National Environmental Protection Act are federal mandates that are implemented by the state. There is no way the State of California can say that they do not need to comply with the Clean Air Act or NEPA Enrivonmental Assessment just because they are hard to do.

    • Replies: @res
  116. @Jack D

    If enough people got justice it would just cause resentment and economic decline and blow up like WWI reparations did. So there’s only room for a tiny number of deserving people to get reparations, and people have every right to be upset about who those tiny number of people turn out to be. Especially since Jews finagling their way into receiving them reinforces preexisting negative stereotypes and is part of a broader pattern of more and more outrageous behavior on their part in the post war period.

    And your example does a really good job of showing how stupid the american civil law system is. Of course it’s ridiculous that your compensation for being wronged depends on the wealth of the person wronging you.

    I keep responding to your posts without even seeing that it’s you because they’re all the same thing over and over again. It’s all just smugly coming up with weak arguments for the status quo that would never convince anyone of anything if things weren’t already that way.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  117. Thomas says:

    So glad I left. Keep your frickin’ smoke to yourselves!

  118. Hubbub says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Nothing will ever make the us ‘even’. Reparations once started will go on forever, because each new black baby birth will require a payment on into eternity. Slavery is the “most worstest” institution ever visited upon mankind; it is the sin that can never be forgiven and requires perpetual and regular payments.

    • Replies: @ziggurat
    , @anon
  119. @res

    Yes, he noted in the article (or comments) that it was specific to the Northwest. But that didn’t stop Washington State’s governor from calling them “climate fires” because reasons…

  120. @Jack D

    Well I got a rise from you, that’s for sure. You and I are lucky to live as comfortably and safely as we do. That was a horrible time in those places — for many different people.

  121. Anonymous[534] • Disclaimer says:

    Who can forget the slaves signing their sad spirituals while they picked the cotton of the vast plantations of Burbank and North Hollywood?

    Maybe the so-called slaves of the old South actually had it pretty good. They were afforded jobs, security, access to women, ability to form a family. They enjoyed an off season and care in old age. They got to live under White management (most of the world would love to have that privilege), and, unsurprisingly, they prospered and multiplied. Those are the facts, not the narrative.

  122. Anonymous[534] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Jack, you type faster than me. Who, in the USA, hasn’t been affected by slavery? From trashed neighborhoods to qualified applicants being passed over to fulfill quotas, whether in school or employment.

    Southerners didn’t cause those neighborhoods to be trashed or campaign for anti-White quotas in schools and employment. Jack D’s co-religionists and others they promote to the public did.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  123. syonredux says:
    @syonredux

    Speaking of naturalized citizens, how about adding this test:

    Men:

    Does looking at this image make you feel

    A. Racially inferior

    B. Angry at YT

    C. Hatred for YT

    D. Proud of what Europeans have achieved

    Women:

    Does looking at this image make you feel

    A. Racially inferior

    B. Angry at YT

    C. Hatred for YT

    D. Proud of what Europeans have achieved

    • Agree: vinteuil
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @tyrone
    , @anon
  124. @Beavertales

    Unlike some Jews who were taught machinist skills in the German work camps (and later prospered from it post-war),

    You must be joking. Educated Jews were worked to death doing extremely menial work.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_Plan

    my relative was starved

    A good bit of that related to Allied operations to deprive Japanese-held territory of the food it needed to survive, thereby diverting Japanese resources from war-related industries.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Starvation

    Large numbers of Japanese troops literally starved to death. Many were hungry all the time, to the point they resorted to cannibalism. That POW’s got the short end of the stick is no surprise. German atrocities had nothing to do with resource problems. They were merely trying to eliminate from the gene pool people they regarded as vermin.

    Qualitatively speaking, Japanese and German war aims were very different. Japan sought to build an empire in the traditional way, by defeating the enemy’s regular troops, slaughtering combatants along with their kin to ensure a quick end to guerrilla warfare and incorporating the new population and territory into the empire to augment its strength. Germany sought to eliminate the inhabitants of Central and Eastern Europe so as to make way for German colonists.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @anon
  125. @res

    res, a good article at SF Gate about contolled burning in a Tahoe state park, informative and interesting.

  126. @guest007

    guest, thank you for that number. Now give the 46% of California that the US Govt owns to blacks as reparations. I am good that, except for maybe airforce bases and naval stations. Let them built their own air force and navy.

    • Replies: @guest007
  127. jon says:

    OT: They arrested a suspect in the September 12th ambush shooting of two cops in Compton. Although I would have sworn up and down based on his height and the way he ran that he was no older than twelve, he was actually 36 year old Deonte Lee Murray.
    Police didn’t have to arrest him, as he was already in custody for a September 1st carjacking. The driver was shot, but only wounded. They were able to connect him to the attempted murder because he fled the scene in a black Mercedes, which was the same type of vehicle stolen in the carjacking.
    So that’s a double attempted murder and a carjacking in two weeks. And some of you on here say these people are lazy!

    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/09/30/deonte-lee-murray-arrested-ambush-shooting-of-la-deputy-in-compton/

  128. @syonredux

    It should be the other away around: Ask women about the first image and men about the second.

    Women: “He’s handsome and strong, but Michelangelo made his dick too small.”

    Men: “She’s cute. Is she a redhead or a strawberry blond?”

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @jon
  129. Jack D says:
    @Anonymous

    Say someone orders a school of piranhas from Brazil – they hear that they are good eatin’ and can be the basis for a profitable business. Then the piranhas get loose and end up in your local river and then they bite you. Who is to blame, the person who ordered the piranhas or the Jew?

  130. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Without slavery, how did/does late 19th century- 21st century CA’s agricultural produce get harvested, picked, and ready for market?

    Mexicans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  131. @Jack D

    Who is to blame, the person who ordered the piranhas or the Jew?

    What about the person who sold the piranhas? What about the airline that shipped them? Can I pick more than one? The lawyers have the concept of “proportionate responsibility.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  132. @Anon

    Indeed. What happens when the first post reperations generation comes to the fore?
    Theoretically, blacks will have used the money to create great businesses and prosperous communities. LMAO!!
    You’re going to have angry young folks asking,”Where MY Cadillac?? “

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @John Johnson
  133. Anonymous[534] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Say someone orders a school of piranhas from Brazil – they hear that they are good eatin’ and can be the basis for a profitable business. Then the piranhas get loose and end up in your local river and then they bite you. Who is to blame, the person who ordered the piranhas or the Jew?

    Telling metaphor, Jack.

    Who removed the piranhas to the local river and then forced the local citizenry in unprotected?

  134. tyrone says:
    @syonredux

    It makes me feel like you left out the naughty bits……..the Venus of course ……..

  135. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe

    Just as jury tampering is a criminal offense, it makes sense in a democracy that firing someone for expressing their preference in an election should be treated as criminal vote tampering.

  136. res says:
    @guest007

    If you would provide specifics it would be helpful. I have provided a long article and two even longer reports. Feel free to pick details we can discuss further from those. Or provide your own sources.

    Let me try a question. Do you think CA environmental laws are likely to be more or less stringent than federal laws? Also the way the laws are applied. For example, don’t federal lawsuits have to go through the circuit courts? Though perhaps I need to update my prior on the 9th Circuit.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/22/trump-judges-9th-circuit-appeals-court-088833

    • Replies: @guest007
  137. hhsiii says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Then Beulah better sure as hell make sure dinner ready. Unfortunately epigenetics makes me awfully ornery when hungry.

  138. @Jack D

    You’re a lawyer, or you play one on the internet. Can’t you work up a class action suit against whoever sold those dangerous fish?

  139. Lot says:
    @J.Ross

    June 1 to about Aug 20 was unseasonably cool in Southern California. July and early August especially was the coolest I can remember. We had weeks go by without cracking 80 or using any AC, and some freakishly cold summer ocean temps.

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/weather/story/2020-07-31/san-diegos-ocean-temperatures-turn-cold-as-winter-at-height-of-summer

    “ Is it late July or early January?

    Surfers and swimmers have been left to wonder in recent days as sea surface temperatures have dropped to levels that are common in the winter but rare in the summer.

    At 10 a.m. on Friday, lifeguards reported that the water temperature was 60 in Mission Beach, 59 in Solana Beach, and 58 at San Clemente. During mid-summer, temperatures are typically 70 or above.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @J.Ross
  140. WWH continues

    When people touch your hair without asking it’s like you’re a pet‘: Vick Hope reflects on ‘dehumanising’ effect racism had on her while growing up

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8794637/Vick-Hope-reflects-dehumanising-effect-racism-growing-up.html

    Come on, MEN OF UNZ – who’s touching black(ish) women’s hair? Certainly not an urge that I’ve ever had. Or is it all done by other women?

    (Best comment – “Has anybody got any spare tickets for the bandwagon?“)

  141. Dube says:

    Here’s the text of the Bill, now signed into law. Carefully woven, and for that worth the reading.

    AB-3121 Task Force to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African Americans.

    https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB3121

  142. @Lot

    Coolest summer I can remember in Los Angeles until the Labor Day weekend, when temperatures set an all-time high, like 121 in Woodland Hills, which led to all the fires.

    Now it’s 103 in Woodland Hills, so probably more fires this week.

  143. syonredux says:
    @Johann Ricke

    Japan sought to build an empire in the traditional way,

    Don’t be too soft on the Japanese. Their empire building was in the “traditional way ” of Caesar in Gaul and Genghis Khan in the Khwarazmian Empire:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Alls_Policy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_massacre

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhejiang-Jiangxi_campaign

    https://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm#Japanese

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  144. Any payments should come from sales of gold from the Fort Knox Gold Depository.

  145. @tyrone

    “take care of your forest”

    The coastal Gaians believe fire is the best way to clear out dead vegetation from the forest floor.

  146. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    The Chinese should have surrendered. It was the Nationalist government’s fault that they were willing to sacrifice their massive population to hold the Japanese to a stalemate. In reality they had already been under Manchu rule for hundreds of years, were the modernized Japanese really that much worse? The only reason they couldn’t accept their rule was the delusional Chinese racism and contempt for what they saw as their historical inferiors. They were dead wrong.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Joe Stalin
  147. syonredux says:

    Prince Harry is Woke AF…..

    Prince Harry and Meghan call to end ‘structural racism’ in Britain
    The world is ‘created by white people for white people’, says the Duke of Sussex

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/10/01/prince-harry-meghan-call-end-structural-racism-britain/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1601557021

  148. syonredux says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    He’s a grower, not a shower.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  149. donut says:
    @J.Ross

    That’s a good one , but they’re just SFN’s

  150. @Jack D

    In the case of plantation owners, the slaveholder and the Jew were one and the same.
    The slave ships were financed and insured by, who else, but Jews.
    The buyers in Africa and the sellers in the Americas were, again, Jews.
    All three legs involved Jews.

    People, who think that they are Übermensch, are able to deal in any commodity even humans.

    The descendants of slaves need to get organized and start researching genealogy to track down the descendants of those actually involved in the slave trade.

    That’s where the money will be.

    Here’s a start:
    https://www.geni.com/projects/American-slave-owners/11457
    https://www.geni.com/projects/American-slave-owners/people/11457

    First they need to have proof that they descended from a slave. Sharing skin color is not enough. Then the amount per slave will depend on the number of descendants alive to receive.

    If one has observed one of those mass black family gatherings, where everyone wears the same color tee shirt, will know that the amount per slave won’t go far.

  151. tyrone says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Interesting article ,to bad it didn’t mention epigenetic effects from many generation ago ……more prenatal ,post natal exposures to pollution and diet ………didn’t see the word slavery……was eating some chips may have missed it……….is the duck taking a leap?

  152. jon says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Hahaha, I can’t believe there is a stock photo at Getty Images that’s just a close up of his John Thomas.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  153. @Guy De Champlagne

    And your example does a really good job of showing how stupid the american civil law system is. Of course it’s ridiculous that your compensation for being wronged depends on the wealth of the person wronging you.

    Is there a different civil law system that socializes torts no matter who committed them? Short of that, isn’t it inevitable that compensation will vary?

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
    , @Jack D
  154. J.Ross says:
    @Lot

    So this is global warming inhibiting fire?

  155. anon[890] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux

    Last time I was in the Accademia I accidentally got ahead of the rest of my party. So I walked into the big sculpture hall and noticed nobody was with me. Turning around to go back I got to see faces of female tourists as they entered the hall and first laid eyes on David at the other end. It was fun and educational.

    A couple of younger ones actually blushed. Most of the 20-somethings smiled, or smirked, or even dropped their jaw a bit. Middle aged and older women generally smiled or at least became less dour.

    There’s a set of benches behind the statue, sort of interesting to see who chooses to sit under David’s butt.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  156. anon[890] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johann Ricke

    A good bit of that related to Allied operations to deprive Japanese-held territory of the food it needed to survive, thereby diverting Japanese resources from war-related industries.

    Your timeline is a little defective.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Starvation

    Began in April, 1945. There were American prisoners starving in the Philippines from 1942 onward, the same with Australians on the “Railway of Death” in SE Asia in the same time period. Bushido as interpreted in the 1930’s was an ugly thing.

    Large numbers of Japanese troops literally starved to death. Many were hungry all the time, to the point they resorted to cannibalism.

    Mostly when cut off. Such as Mount Austin on Guadalcanal, many of the islands in the ‘Pines, Saipan, Guam, even maybe Iwo Jima.

    That POW’s got the short end of the stick is no surprise.

    For the most part, it wasn’t logistics that led the Imperial Japanese to starve Allied POW’s . It was policy. The same menality that decreed in 1945 “No prisoners of war are to be returned to the enemy”, leading to the Palawan Atrocity in which Americans were burned alive, machinegunned as they tried to escape the flaming gasoline, and so forth. If the home islands had been invaded in late 1945 early 1946, all prisoners – about 100,000 – would have been murdered, in the name of the Emperor.

  157. Anonymous[534] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    @Jack D

    • Agree

    Just admit it, you don’t like Blacks. Stop trying to deflect your racism and your problems onto innocent people who haven’t been alive for 350 years.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  158. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous

    The Chinese should have surrendered.

    The conqueror’s complaint…..

  159. Anonymous[534] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve in Greensboro

    Without slavery, how did/does late 19th century- 21st century CA’s agricultural produce get harvested, picked, and ready for market?

    Mexicans.

    Antebellum blacks had it better than Mexican day laborers. They were family, guaranteed food and shelter, and supported during the off season and in old age.

  160. @Father O'Hara

    Indeed. What happens when the first post reperations generation comes to the fore?
    Theoretically, blacks will have used the money to create great businesses and prosperous communities. LMAO!! You’re going to have angry young folks asking,”Where MY Cadillac?? “

    Fortunately greater minds than ours have already considered this issue. These angry young folks have the option to don an animal mask and issue a challenge to ritual combat with spears, in the time-honored Wakandan tradition.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  161. @kaganovitch

    I don’t know about other countries, except that it varies a lot. If it is the best system in the world, which I doubt, it’s only a good example of churchillian style best system, where it’s the worst despite all the alternatives not an example some sensible, self evident principle like Jack D was trying to pretend it was. It’s also a terrible analogy for at least on other reason there’s no point in getting into.

  162. Nice! Who knew that the Cali budget was faring so well.

    https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/over-1000-honduran-migrants-enter-guatemala-as-new-caravan-heads-for-u.s.-2020-10-01

    When did it become a requirement that all progressive politicians be lobotomized?

  163. Rob says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed, don’t be in a hurry for that alternative to happen. Wreckers like you will be the first passengers on the bullet train, comrade! It will be a short ride.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  164. Peterike says:
    @Jack D

    There must be a worldwide hay shortage after all that Jack used building that strawman.

  165. Anonymous[534] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve in Greensboro

    What about the person who sold the piranhas? What about the airline that shipped them? Can I pick more than one? The lawyers have the concept of “proportionate responsibility.”

    What about the people who removed them from the tank, poured them into the community river, and then marched the citizens into the river?

  166. Wilkey says:
    @Jack D

    I would like the white cotton planters of antebellum Mississippi to pay me reparations because their desire for cheap labor means that half of Philadelphia is a no-go zone for white people 150 years later.

    Not defending the antebellum plantation owners, but if Philadelphia is unsafe 150 years later then it may have less to do with a bunch of dead cotton planters and more to do with the choices and actions of people who haven’t been deceased for 100+ years.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  167. Jack D says:
    @kaganovitch

    Our system is really not that stupid. Compensation for such losses are not socialized by the government but rather they are privately pooled thru insurance. Normally if you are injured, the other driver’s insurance pays but most auto policies have “uninsured” and “underinsured” motorist coverage – if the driver that hits you has little or no insurance then this portion of your own policy will cover your losses.

    Of course if Devontius hits you with a stray bullet, you are still out of luck.

  168. Anonymous[286] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wilkey

    I would like the white cotton planters of antebellum Mississippi to pay me reparations because their desire for cheap labor means that half of Philadelphia is a no-go zone for white people 150 years later.

    If Philadelphia is unsafe 150 years later then it may have less to do with a bunch of dead cotton planters and more to do with the choices and actions of people who haven’t been deceased for 100+ years.

    Yep.

  169. @Abe

    If I ever end up incarcerated, I’ll invent a wacky gender all my own so they’ll have to give me my own private wing of the prison.

    • Replies: @Rob
  170. @Anonymous

    It’s Okay Not To Like Somebody.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  171. Anonymous[824] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    It’s Okay Not To Like Somebody.

    But It’s Not Okay to Bear False Witness.

  172. duncsbaby says:

    CA just became the first state in the nation to mandate the study and development of proposals for reparations.

    Our past is one of slavery, racism, and injustice. Our systems were built to oppress people of color.

    It’s past time we acknowledge that.

    What was the California GOP’s rebuttal? Bueller?

  173. @Father O'Hara

    Indeed. What happens when the first post reperations generation comes to the fore?
    Theoretically, blacks will have used the money to create great businesses and prosperous communities. LMAO!!
    You’re going to have angry young folks asking,”Where MY Cadillac?? “

    I suspect that the White California liberals will be leery of checks for this reason. They don’t want to be the idiots that drove foot locker sales through the roof with tax money.

    The White liberals will want to invest in schools and infrastructure. White liberals claim to love Blacks but don’t trust them with money.

    This will put them in conflict with Black Democrats.

    It will all just be one big circus for the rest of the country to watch.

  174. ziggurat says:
    @Hubbub

    Separation Reparations: 10K to permanently move to a majority-black country. Perhaps, we can sweeten the deal with a voucher for a year’s salary.

  175. @syonredux

    Well, the Zionist USA does actually seem to be their country now, not ours.

  176. Dumbo says:
    @Abe

    In other news California apparently will start assigning transsexual prisoners to the correctional institutions of their professed gender identity.

    If this is true, we will likely see a boom in transgenderism among male prisoners. Who wouldn’t prefer to be caged with women (even if butch lesbians) than among male prisoners that can beat you up or rape your ass.

    Now, for transgender females, it will be a great problem.

  177. @anon

    That is a great anecdote. Numerous times I have noticed women’s eyes aimed at my crotch. I think they do it instinctively, subconsciously. They seem to have very sophisticated radar, even though I am wearing pants. If you are well-enough endowed to cause even a slight bulge, they will detect it.

    It’s sexual harassment, I tell you! A micro-agression!

    It is the equivalent of when we men instinctively look at their asses, and some of them will complain. Where I live, it is common on a Saturday or Sunday, for the “Housewives of Fairfield County” to go to the shops in tight yoga pants with their hard-won, tight asses prominently displayed for every man like me to see. It’s hilarious.

    So, I know my eyes, like any other man’s, instinctively aim at those women’s asses. It’s the same thing as what they do to our crotches, except that we men are just putting on our pants in the morning, while they are definitely thinking about our eyes when they squeeze into their yoga pants and wear them all over town.

    Frankly, I love it. This is not a complaint.

  178. guest007 says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    Why not give them the 84% of Nevada that is owned by the federal government. Of course, that includes the remains of the Nevada Test Site.

    Where is a list of how much each state is owned by the federal government.

    https://ballotpedia.org/Federal_land_ownership_by_state. When one arrives at the Rocky Mountain, the probably of being on federal property goes way up.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  179. guest007 says:
    @res

    State environmental laws cannot be less stringent than federal laws. State laws can only be more stringent than the federal laws. I assume that some NGOs in California know how to use NEPA to require an environmental assessment and know how to appeal a finding on no significant impact. Those same activist would also know how to use the clean air act to keep the state from issuing permits for the controlled burns.

    • Replies: @res
  180. @Rob

    Wreckers? I don’t know that one. How about ARMED wreckers that hate dirty stinky Commies? I’m not going in any ditch.

  181. @Jack D

    Spot on Jack.

    More seriously a couple points–as a non-Jew looking in. Really confusions in Jewish thinking that brought this on.

    1) Jews are not the eternal winners of oppression olympics.

    To a lot of Jews, Jews are the world’s top victims. Strikes me it’s a bit baked into the DNA of post-2nd-temple rabbinic Judaism–special people, chosen by God, diaspora. And for Jews of your parents’ generation, you’ve got some pretty impressive victimization with the Nazi’s Holocaust. Jews think–or at least feel–this is special, unique, no one can top this, we’re the world’s greatest victims, forever. But every year … tick, tick, ticks the few remaining actual witnesses and survivors–and now even the survivors kids!–into their graves. More and more this is just “ancient history”.

    To the other people’s of the world–whom Jews have brilliantly invited here–the Holocaust is just one historical intra-European feud and spasm of violence.

    Once the Jews have made oppression the dominant issue in status competition, to everyone else the much bigger, longer, global narrative is racism!, colonialism! … and the Jews just look like a bunch of rich, privileged white people.

    The Holocaust might be the most important thing in the world to some 60-something Jewish professor, who learned about us dangerous depraved goyim on his daddy’s knee. But the 35ish WOC asst. prof is thinking how nice it will be when her book “The Oppression of Hair: Women of Color Struggle Against Systemic Racism” is published, she makes tenure and can push out that old privileged white man and take over his nice window office.

    2) Jews are in denial about what is natural/normal and who is “at fault”.

    Any society–from our ancient tribal ancestors, down through modern nations states–must have some kind of “common culture” including common “norms” for how the society operates. The natural human social order is tribal–everyone around is part of the same tribe, shares the tribe’s norms and culture. And while some closely related tribes might gather and swap brides or trade the default situation with other tribes is competition and conflict.

    In Europe, Christianization was a powerful detribalizing force, merging neighboring tribes, creating a larger common cultural space and paving the way for the rise of nation states and modernity itself.

    But the Jews refused to detribalize. The Jews pushed north in Europe and insisted on living inside Christian societies–for the purpose of economic exploitation–but refused to integrate with them. And, in fact, they jacked up the religious/cultural outgroup hostility to keep themselves from being swallowed into the larger Christian/gentile mass. (As with the Amish “boiling off” the more adventurous, there’s almost certainly a genetic component here, with the less tribal, more open, “nice guy” Jews boiling off to Christianity.) Needless to say this approach–proximity and contact but non-integrating tribal hostility–meant continual contention, further egged on by the usual frictions of middle man exploitation.

    In short, the Jews’ situation–with all its unpleasantness–is their own fault; sleeping in the bed they’ve made.** [**Note for the autistics: I’m not talking about fault of specific violence–shooting someone, loading them into a boxcar. I’m talking about the overlying social situation–non-integration but continual contact–that generates the friction, bad feelings, etc.] But Jews can’t admit that. All the friction must be the gentiles fault. There’s got to be some great cosmic rule that states “We are entitled to live wherever we want, in anyone else’s society, without integrating, keeping our own separate culture, but must be welcomed and treated like we’re natives.”

    Of course, there is no such logical or moral principle. No people have an obligation to welcome some foreign people, much less one that refuses to integrate. This is not how humans–including the very tribal Jews themselves!–behave. Have ever behaved. The natural order in fact is not a rainbow hued tapestry of peoples sitting around the campfire together singing kumbaya.

    But … it must be. There can’t be anything wrong with what the Jews have done. All the friction must be the gentiles fault. So we’ve been endlessly propagandized with sociological gems like “Diversity makes us stronger” and “Our diversity is our greatest strength”–now America’s state ideology.

    But the problem–it’s nonsense. Diversity actually means contention and conflict. And some of that contention will–including one-upsmanship in the oppression olympics–will involve Jews.

    American Jews had a great deal, living well in a nation created and dominated by Western whites. Western European white people are in fact the most open and integrating people. And American whites, especially post-holocaust, were particularly accepting of Jews and Jewish success in their nation. But Jews traded that in for “diversity”–and all the contention and conflict it will bring–because they’d spun themselves a self-vindicating fable and had to blame evil whitey for all their troubles.

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  182. anon[479] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hubbub

    Reparations for simply being born black, in other words. Reparations for what Mother Nature hath wrought. Ax not for whom the bell curve tolls…

    Time to introduce a Universal Black Income. A global UBI since it would be unfair if only American black received reparations for being black.

  183. @guest007

    guest, it is California that is making plans for reparations, so why no give them almost half of the state or about 46,000,000 acres.

  184. res says:
    @guest007

    State environmental laws cannot be less stringent than federal laws. State laws can only be more stringent than the federal laws.

    Of course. I was being snarky. Any thoughts on how large the difference is? Especially compared with other states?

    Your original comment 38 statement was:

    That still does not refute the fact that the federal government owns over 46% of California including a large part of the forest. The state government owns a much smaller fraction of California versus the federal government.

    Do you consider the importance of that particular fact relative to the argument I was making sufficiently countered yet?

  185. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    I really can’t agree with your remarks.

    #1 the Holocaust was a German thing. It’s true that the Jews of Poland lived somewhat separate from their neighbors (not unlike Orthodox Jews in America today) but the Jews of Germany were thoroughly assimilated for the most part, just as much as most non-Orthodox American Jews are today. It was often noted that the Jews of Germany were exactly like other Germans except that they went to church on a different day.

    #2 switching to Poland, even if the Jews WANTED to disappear into the society, it would have been no easy thing. There were a few converts but for the most part they were not well accepted or welcomed into Polish society any more than white Americans in the past wanted their daughter to marry a Negro. Jews literally spoke a different language than the Poles, looked different, ate different food, etc. It was no trivial matter to integrate.

    #3 Even if this option had been available, I’m not sure it is right to require people to accept such a devil’s bargain – you can be accepted, but you have to give up your religion, your customs, your culture – everything. This was not the basis upon which Jews were invited into Poland in the 1st place. And while not all Poles were happy with the arrangement (increasingly Poles had the wherewithal to fill their own middle-man roles in the 20th century) I don’t think the arrangement would have been utterly destroyed had it not been for the Nazis. It would have been more like the situation of blacks in America, where both the majority and the minority are not really happy with each other but fundamentally everyone realizes that we are stuck with each other. You can fantasize about sending them back to Africa or something but in reality they aren’t going anywhere. Only Hitler (and you have to hand it to him for his boldness) had the imagination to actually implement such an unthinkable “solution” to the problem.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
  186. Rob says:
    @International Jew

    Make sure your gender of one requires amphetamines, opioids, and medical marijuana. It will help pass the time.

  187. MEH 0910 says:

    And, by way of explaining why his musical tastes stopped evolving after Depeche Mode released Construction Time Again: “I’m a guy. I graduated high school in Southern California in 1982.”

    ******
    Being with Harris has helped Emhoff, who is white and Jewish, recognize his privilege—his carefree attitude at airport customs; breezy exchanges with security guards—and see into his blind spots. Harris calls out these incidents in real time, Emhoff says. “She’ll say, ‘You realize that wouldn’t have happened if you weren’t a white dude?’”

    “I always viewed myself as progressive and open-minded,” he says, but there is a lot he notices now that he wasn’t acknowledging before. “It’s great to be with her because she has such a great perspective and she’s certainly not shy about expressing [it].”

  188. MEH 0910 says:

    Gavin Newsom Retweeted:

  189. MEH 0910 says:

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