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I’ve run a couple of funny stories lately about the Ivy League-crazed parents of students at Sidwell Friends, the Quaker private school in DC that is the favorite of the most ambitious (and apparently horrible) parents in America.
In The Atlantic, Caitlin Flanagan, who was the college counselor at Harvard-Westlake, the Sidwell Friends of Los Angeles, explains the paradox:
But the problem isn’t simply one of supply and demand. It’s also the result of parents who seem to have a great deal in common—the Volvo XC40, Costa Rican vacations, Hillbilly Elegy—but whose only truly shared value is the desire for their children to attend elite colleges. This wasn’t always the case. Most of the famous private schools began with a specific religious affiliation, and while they gradually began to extend admission to people of other faiths, they maintained certain expectations for how those students would conform to the institutional creed. …
While most of the top schools have retained a nominal connection to their original faiths, these creeds need not trouble any families who do not share them. Today, it is mostly the second-rate institutions (the Catholic schools, of course; Jewish day schools) that still expect religious observance.
While the chaplain of an Episcopal school was once a formidable figure on campus, a man with a great deal of moral authority over the parents, that has changed. Now, if the school still has an Episcopal priest on staff, the poor gal is stashed in a windowless office with a coexist bumper sticker on her laptop case, and a list of phone numbers of local imams willing to speak at chapel services. Indeed, the extent to which an independent school still hews to its religious roots is often the extent to which it is hampered in its ability to deal with monstrous parents. Sidwell Friends, like most Quaker schools, has been able to retain many of its faith traditions despite welcoming a diverse student body; it’s the least oppressive religion on Earth. But the silent search for the inner spark of God is not much help when rabid parents are underfoot. Quakers are pacifists, for God’s sake. Conscientious objectors. If they weren’t going to take on Adolf Hitler, they sure as hell aren’t going to take on a Kalorama mom with blood in her eyes and Duke on her mind.
The elite schools have exchanged religion for a shared code of social justice, multiculturalism, and global citizenship. These are high-minded ideals, and certainly preferable to a strictly Christian code inflexibly forced upon nonbelievers in search of only a fine education and not religious intolerance. But they are ideals that hamper senior administrators from putting dreadful parents in their place. The real god of these schools is the god of money: cash on the barrelhead, or—if need be—a healthy pledge from Grandpa’s eventual estate. (Ever notice who sponsors Grandparents’ Day at these places? The development office. They lured Grandpa Joe into their lair using your 10-year-old as bait. It’s not shameless; it’s vile.)
Articles like this keep making it unintentionally clearer that we will all be better off without these institutions full of people with a lot of skills and talents who believe in nothing. What is interesting how powerful their false god has become despite not being real.
Brilliant. Flanagan is a national treasure.
This was pretty good. I’ll read the rest later.
“These are high-minded ideals, and certainly preferable to a strictly Christian code inflexibly forced upon nonbelievers in search of only a fine education and not religious intolerance. ”
This is of course, bullshit. Choosing to attend a Catholic school and then complaining about having religion forced upon you is nonsense.
“The elite schools have exchanged religion for a shared code of social justice, multiculturalism, and global citizenship.”
LOL and yeah – forcing degeneracy, self hate, and the NWO is REALLY preferable to the former.
So she goes through all of her points only to come back and agree with the changes that ruined the institution in the first place. I know she say the quest for money is the problem. However, you get that when your institution does not have any moral code. What she lists are not moral codes. They are fuzzy phrases that allow people to do what they want while signalling their righteousness. Sure, they are for social justice. As long as they screw over the white patriarchy, they can make a buck.
Also, I like that somehow being a religious school with requirements makes the school second rate.
Somewhere it says man cannot service God and mammon. Might be one of those oppressive religious books. Of course, she is happy they threw out God. Now she’s stunned that something else has taken His place.
She’s being a bit disingenuous on the bit about increased diversity making competition more fierce, though–it’s only ethnic diversity, these schools have gotten more full of rich kids lately.
Replace “these schools” with “this country” and you’ll have economically described this nation’s cultural transformation over the last several decades.
The worship of Mammon is much older than this country is.
OT: New Deal era murals will be painted over to make a San Francisco school “safe”:
These High School Murals Depict an Ugly History. Should They Go?
April 11, 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/arts/design/george-washington-murals-ugly-history-debated.html
This tweet is the first of a thread containing lots of information:
This contradicts everything else she wrote. Does she really believe that?
Harvard-Westlake, not to be confused with Harvard-Harvard. I love the idea of naming your college Harvard even though it has nothing to do with Harvard. It’s like putting out a soft drink called Coke, and having to correct people: “Oh no, not that Atlanta Coke. I can see your mistake. Ours is a different Coke.”
By the way, it’s confusing to say the parents have Hillbilly Elegy in common. I mean, I realize it’s a bestseller and all that. But it almost sounds as if she’s implying they’re hillbillies.
I really don’t understand the obsession about private schools of people who never went to private school don’t send their kids to private school and don’t know anyone who went to private school.
> These [social justice, multiculturalism, and global citizenship] are high-minded ideals, and certainly preferable to a strictly Christian code inflexibly forced upon nonbelievers in search of only a fine education and not religious intolerance.
Certainly! By their fruits you shall know them.
LOL.
Not by her own article they ain't.
Look what religious tolerance got this school: a bevy of money-worshiping, status-obsessed monsters.
So the Elite schools produced by the Elite WASPs have become multilayered producers of really nasty stuff that is part and parcel of our civilizational suicide?
Surely nobody has ever suggested anything like that.
Note that the article author sees the horror and still prefers this reality to those old fashioned schools from the evil old days.
People choose cultural suicide.
The US debate about private schools is much less bitter than the UK one. Is it that US private education is more religiously focused? Are most of them day schools rather than boarding schools, hence more accessible? Is the US too big to be dominated by a school (Eton) or a small group of schools (the 12 Clarendon schools). Do schools matter at state level or at city level. Is Illinois governed by an elite educated at one school?
I do not mean Universities.
Exeter
St. Paul's
Choate
Groton
Hotchkiss
St. Albans,
etc.It's not so much that the U.S. is too big. Probably every region had its own regional prestige school which fed into the big state school. But once they graduate, they aren't launched into ambassadorships and corporation boards and senate seats. This is how the Establishment worked. One frat at one university full of prep school buddies can come to dominate the CIA. Such people did not want upstarts from Bumwad, Texas elbowing in. Even if they did go to a decent boarding school.
US private schools were mostly but not all founded by different Christian sects. Some were founded to be secular private schools. The only ones that are still truly religious are the Protestant ones that call themselves Christian instead of Protestant. The majority of private schools are Catholic schools. The Catholic and Christian schools are the only ones that don't push abortion and homosexuality on the kids. The Protestant and secular private schools do push abortion, homosexuality and the same liberal propaganda on the kids as do the public schools.
The catholics, Thanks Be To God, still have the thriving parish elementary, age 5 to 13 school system. It was those schools that saved the cities from becoming completely black
Most are day schools. Until about 60 years ago there were a large number of inexpensive private and mostly catholic religious boarding schools around. The cost has closed most of them down. The few private boarding schools left cost about $80,000 a year. The survivors are mostly in the north east like Andover, Milton, Exeter, St Paul's, St Tim's. Lots of St Paul's boys schools. they were protestant founded.
No private school dominates because as you wrote the USA is just too big.
Elite very wealthy Jews still like the public school system Maybe to save money for the million dollar bar mitzvahs. The jewish private schools are very religious.
Proud to tell you that my home town, San Francisco Ca has more private high schools than public high schools. Some dating back to Spanish times.
The Unitarian former President WH Taft is said to have turned down the presidency of Yale on the basis he didn’t believe the doctrine of the trinity and as a result couldn’t lead a Congregationalist college.
Didn’t we learn in 2016 that talking about a woman “with blood in her eyes” was sexist and disqualifying from any role in acceptable public discourse? I’m offended.
My wife has some ancestors who were Quakers in colonial Pennsylvania until they were kicked out. From the looks of the documents of that era, the Quakers used to kick people out all the time. It wasn’t always the least opppresive religion on earth.
I agree. One of those rarities, a reporter/observer so sharp that her ideology doesn’t get in her way.
For the most part, their skills and talents aren’t really even skills and talents. A large fraction of our economy is based on BS, parasitism, and grifting.
Preferable to a Christian moral code? How’s that working for them?
“Certainly” interchangeable with “clearly” = hmmm, this may actually be wrong but I sure as hell don’t have the time to think about why. With the usual Flanagan twist of the mendacious characterization of anything traditional or suggesting the least hint of challenge to the reign of nonjudgmentalism. Her motte here is the need to ward off the ravening SJW hordes by signalling that she speaks their language and shares their snobbery, but read her enough and one begins to suspect she just enjoys twisting the knife.
HS classmate of mine teaches music at a private DC school. Had a recital, “be here 45 minutes before the start time”. One kid shows up literally 2 minutes before the start. So he got docked 2 points. The mother came to the school. “30 minutes, and it was all I could do to keep from screaming ‘Lady, this isn’t going to keep your kid out of Harvard’”.
And that, Friends, is how the poor woman puts the Exist in Coexist.
the second-rate institutions (the Catholic schools…)
Having attended both parochial (Catholic) and public schools, I can assure you Catholic schools are not “second-rate” — in every locale, they are always among, if not unquestionably, the most preferred schools — especially Catholic secondary schools.
In most American cities the Catholic HS is the best one.
Sometimes there will be a smallish non-denom leftist private school that might have higher test scores, but with no sports programs it isn’t a good place for college admissions outside of artsy sensitive kids. And without Church support and an endowment it is more expensive.
These are high-minded ideals, and certainly preferable to a strictly Christian code…
There’s your problem, right there.
My edits:
These SJW beliefs are high-minded and therefore phony ideals.
A strict code inflexibly enforced breeds good character and is certainly preferable.
Nonbelivers in the code need to get a code.
I am happily intolerant of those who don’t have a code.
OT: Yet another presumptuous Desi gets ratio’ed on Twitter. He’s “MP for Manchester Gorton and Shadow Immigration Minister”. I just want to thank all Quakers, Shakers, Unitarians, “free thinkers”, world federalists, libertarians, libertines and classical liberals who gave us this modern West of ours:
As a percentage of the school population, how many actual living Quakers do you suppose are enrolled as students at these schools?
That was published in The Atlantic?? It feels like something Steve would write. It’s a shame that The Atlantic ditched its comments section. There would have been a lot of splodey heads about that kind of snark (i.e. the kind that’s actually based on reality and is actually funny).
Oh speaking of comments, be sure the good editors at the Atlantic really want to know what you think!
We want to hear what you think about this article. Submit a letter to the editor…
They just don’t want anyone else to know what you think.
Several years ago I attended church services with a family member I was visiting. The hippyish preacher sitting on his stool holding his guitar informed us that we were to no longer use A.D. and B.C. to signify years, but instead were to use C.E. and B.C.E. So here's an explicitly Christian minister at an explicitly Christian house of worship telling us that we, as Christians, in a country founded by Christians, needed to stop using the Christian calendar because a few asshats are offended by it.
Certainly! By their fruits you shall know them.
LOL.
“certainly preferable”
Not by her own article they ain’t.
Look what religious tolerance got this school: a bevy of money-worshiping, status-obsessed monsters.
Since you (or Mr?* Flanagan who wrote the excerpt) mentioned religious schools, let me tell you how it goes there. A long-term history/social studies(?) teacher at the Catholic School we are familiar with got fired, just for talking about some Moslem beheading somewhere. He didn’t show graphic video either. The PC is out of control there.
Yes, the god of that school is the god of money, too.
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* I guess, right, because Caitlin is a boy’s name now, it seems.
Yet, right here on iSteve a lot of time is spent discussing who should, versus who does, get into the Ivy Leagues. Don’t get me wrong, things ARE unfair, and all the politics is VERY interesting. Still, we’d all be better off if more parents did not give a crap about all those place and/or they just shut down . Integrity over lust for power and connections – you don’t see a lot of that.
“The elite schools have exchanged religion for a shared code of social justice, multiculturalism, and global citizenship. These are high-minded ideals, and certainly preferable to a strictly Christian code inflexibly forced upon nonbelievers in search of only a fine education and not religious intolerance.”
Are they, now? Nonbelievers are 100% responsible for pretty much every horror in the world. From forced organ harvesting to genocide and abortion, global citizens have either led the way or simply stepped aside to let evil run rampant.
Its not the schools themselves that are the problem. They used to be ridiculously rigorous. I had to fight for every C that I received. Getting a B was cause for celebration. Once in the public University system, I attained a 4.0 with little effort both in undergraduate and graduate school for a science major. My prep school was much more difficult than anything I experienced in college, and when I have school related stress dreams they always place me at that prep school.
For legitimately smarter kids, these schools are needed. I went to one as a marginally smarter kid. Upon graduation, my writing was at a high college level. My siblings, who went to public schools, still write below the tenth grade level in relation to the standard of the school that I went to.
In my small class, the student population was 40% Jewish. The religious curriculum was one part Quakerism and one part Holocaust education using fiction authors such as Elie Wiesel. The Quakerism was essentially volunteerism. While I observed the seeds of full-bore identity social justice bullshit, it wasn’t in our faces.
Well after I graduated, I heard from someone on the school’s board of trustees that they had lowered the academic standard to better accommodate increasing diversity. I don’t notice increased diversity in the class composition, and so what I believe that act implies is an intent to bring the grades up of minority students so there wasn’t such a glaring difference between the best minorities they could find and the other students. When I was there, there wasn’t a single black student (of the few that were there) that wasn’t in the lowest academic track.
I took a lot of European history classes. I just wrote all the term papers from previous knowledge. Then I’d go to the library and make up a bibliography and footnotes.
Sad……they seem to getting neither!
I’m not surprised that “Hillbilly Elegy” is notably popular with anti-white SJW’s.
Why do these kinds of articles always have lines where the author expresses total support for the narrative? It ruins the whole thing. If modern SJW multiculturalism is preferable to a Christian school actually being Christian, what is the author complaining about? Shut up.
Possibly the most moldbuggian article of all time.
John Bolton went to Yale. The Yale public relations publications are a good parallel to The Onion.
How about adding Tulsi's sister Vrindavan and Bolton getting as a partner that fat treasonous rat Adelson whore Mike Pompeo?
John Bolton and Mike Pompeo are treasonous rat government worker scum who put the interests of other nations ahead of the interests of the USA. That is TREASON!
I must say that Tulsi Gabbard and her sister will not say why the people who own and control Comcast and NBC put the interests of other nations ahead of the USA. I will and I have done so repeatedly.
The Jew owners and controllers of the Comcast Corporation and NBC use their propaganda power to make sure that the US military continues to fight wars on behalf of Israel. This can't be honestly refuted.
I have met Tulsi Gabbard's sister, Vrindavan, she's a nice lady -- very vivacious and lively! Lot of Vs in there!
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1144058895863832577
The elite schools have exchanged religion for a shared code of social justice, multiculturalism, and global citizenship. These are high-minded ideals, and certainly preferable to a strictly Christian code inflexibly forced upon nonbelievers in search of only a fine education and not religious intolerance.
How dare these privately run and privately funded schools impose their inflexible Christianity on non-Christian parents who voluntarily choose to send their kids to them over all the other options (including the free ones)???
I mean for the love of Gaia, they need to give up all that Christian inflexibility so that the SJW’s who want to run the school can force their inflexible SJW code on all the non-believers.
If parents want their kids to spend most of their school days in social justice warrior bootcamp all they need to do is send them to the (tuition) free government-run indoctrination camps right around the corner from their house.
It is frankly amazing to see how many assets – in the form of churches, private schools, and universities – conservatives have surrendered to the intolerant leftist shrews who now run them all. I suspect it now runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars, all surrendered without putting up much of a fight.
Get with the iSteve program! All that non-STEM stuff is meaningless. Let the non-high IQ losers waste their time with that stuff, what could go wrong?
Just give the the big donor kids straight A’s with gold stars and graduate them with ultra-honors the first week and then wave them goodbye.
I did a search to find out how many Quakers there were total in the U.S and found conflicting information, but 80,000 appeared to be the high end of the estimates. Based on that, I’m going to guess the percentage of Quakers attending Sidwell Friends in any given school year is always going to be less than 5% and possibly 0% in some years.
I attended a Quaker college. Supposedly Friends were given preference in admissions, but I only remember a few of my friends being Friends.
The school was academically extremely rigorous. They sold, and from what I hear still sell, t-shirts in the bookstore saying “Anywhere Else it Would’ve Been an A”. The story was that the college didn’t experience the enormous grade inflation during the Vietnam War because the Quakers were all conscious objectors anyway. That was late 70s and early 80s.
Some of the people I went to college with were quite brilliant. One is now a famous physicist. We expected that. One is an entrepreneur from a third world country who founded a multi billion dollar company. Another is now a US Senator. None of those three were Quakers.
Take the Way-Back Machine, Sherman. In colonial times there were two groups of colonists who greatly admired learning— the Puritans and the Quakers. To this day, there are a large number of institutions of higher learning in New England, especially Boston, and eastern Pennsylvania. Many of the former were founded by Puritans. Most of the latter by Quakers.
To give some idea how many colleges there are in those areas— I have a kid who attends college in Boston. There is another college literally across the street. I mean, you walk down the street and there are colleges on both sides. There are a few other smaller colleges in that neighborhood as well.
The concentration of colleges is not quite as high in Philadelphia, since many of the top Quaker schools are in the suburbs. But still, there are tons of colleges there.
Yes, there are a few good colleges in New York, but compare the population to New England or eastern Pennsylvania, and it kind of pales in comparison. There aren’t as many top schools in the NYC area as in the Boston or Philadelphia area.
Quakers Are Sneaky -- Quakers Are Sneaky Globalizer Mammonites -- Let Them Teach You How!
Quakers in colonial Virginia, too, not just Pennsylvania.
https://twitter.com/edwest/status/862642259036172288
They just don't want anyone else to know what you think.
Local imams speaking at chapel services. Ha.
Several years ago I attended church services with a family member I was visiting. The hippyish preacher sitting on his stool holding his guitar informed us that we were to no longer use A.D. and B.C. to signify years, but instead were to use C.E. and B.C.E. So here’s an explicitly Christian minister at an explicitly Christian house of worship telling us that we, as Christians, in a country founded by Christians, needed to stop using the Christian calendar because a few asshats are offended by it.
Guess we’re now over halfway to Joan of Arc turning back the bastards.
They just don't want anyone else to know what you think.
What I wouldn’t give to do tequila shots with the staff the Atlantic. Get some tongues loosened…
These are high-minded ideals, and certainly preferable to a strictly Christian code inflexibly forced upon nonbelievers in search of only a fine education and not religious intolerance
Disagree with Flanagan on this point. An unyielding, inflexible, expressly Christian code of conduct is preferable to ANY moral code out there.
Franken’s story about being urged to sing the hymns is apocryphal, but given recent events perhaps a little piety would’ve done him some good.
Her account of the authoritarian religiosity of these schools conflicts with C Wright Mills’s account in the Power Elite. Already in the 1950s, Mills characterized the schools as not particularly religious. The primary purpose of the schools, Mill contended, was to smooth tensions between the nouveau riche and old elite and unify them under a common sociocultural tent. The same process is occuring now with Asians and other elite middleman minorities. I’m inclined to believe a true insider like Mills over the author of this piece.
She focuses on white people (epsecially upstarts from the white upper middle-class and back country who like Hillbilly Eligy — apparently back country kids were always auto-admit to the elite!) because her perspective has been blindered by walls of Whiteness propaganda.
More aptly: “most vicious moms”
At least that’s my take from my years as a scoutmaster. There are plenty of useless and the occasional obnoxious dads, but 95% of the “parental” trouble–comes from scout moms.
I’m guessing it’s somewhat more balanced for these prep schools, because dad is forking over some big bucks, and these parents are from a generally entitled, obnoxious class of people. But i’ll bet the skew is still pretty darn strong.
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Note: this “mama bear” thing has a solid, extreme valuable, evolutionary purpose. The problem now is these moms are not pregnant enough, have too few children, ergo are hovering over the precious one or two who are already spoiled enough by prosperity. And even more annoying is that at the same time they are pouring their “nurturing” into beating an easy path into the elite for their children, these women deploy their excess nurturing in complete narrative compliance to support the cultural insanity, support the foreign flood and the destruction of the future of everyone’s kids.
Having attended both parochial (Catholic) and public schools, I can assure you Catholic schools are not "second-rate" -- in every locale, they are always among, if not unquestionably, the most preferred schools -- especially Catholic secondary schools.
Agree. It is only in the largest 20 or 30 metro areas that even have large leftist private schools like Friends.
In most American cities the Catholic HS is the best one.
Sometimes there will be a smallish non-denom leftist private school that might have higher test scores, but with no sports programs it isn’t a good place for college admissions outside of artsy sensitive kids. And without Church support and an endowment it is more expensive.
Having attended both parochial (Catholic) and public schools, I can assure you Catholic schools are not "second-rate" -- in every locale, they are always among, if not unquestionably, the most preferred schools -- especially Catholic secondary schools.
The Catholic schools in Cincinnati have come a long way academically, nosing ahead of even suburban (white) schools in some cases.
Social Justice that is never decided by those who espouse them as they are content with the latest fashion in outrage.
As for ‘multiculturalism’ and ‘global citizenship’, they cancel each other out. It’s impossible to maintain cultural autonomy and survival in a world where all the world is a hodgepodge of everyone. US isn’t multi-culti even among those who espouse the ideology. No one will respect the Buddhist or Confucian objections to globo-homo. Rather, multi-cultural global citizenship is about peoples of all cultures being made to worship globo-homo.
We don’t have Buddhist, Islamic, or Confucian pride months. We have all kids being raised on homo craziness.
Several years ago I attended church services with a family member I was visiting. The hippyish preacher sitting on his stool holding his guitar informed us that we were to no longer use A.D. and B.C. to signify years, but instead were to use C.E. and B.C.E. So here's an explicitly Christian minister at an explicitly Christian house of worship telling us that we, as Christians, in a country founded by Christians, needed to stop using the Christian calendar because a few asshats are offended by it.
It’s about offense alright. The globalist post-Christians are on the offense against traditional Christianity, and have been for generations.
Guess we’re now over halfway to Joan of Arc turning back the bastards.
How dare these privately run and privately funded schools impose their inflexible Christianity on non-Christian parents who voluntarily choose to send their kids to them over all the other options (including the free ones)???
I mean for the love of Gaia, they need to give up all that Christian inflexibility so that the SJW's who want to run the school can force their inflexible SJW code on all the non-believers.
If parents want their kids to spend most of their school days in social justice warrior bootcamp all they need to do is send them to the (tuition) free government-run indoctrination camps right around the corner from their house.
It is frankly amazing to see how many assets - in the form of churches, private schools, and universities - conservatives have surrendered to the intolerant leftist shrews who now run them all. I suspect it now runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars, all surrendered without putting up much of a fight.
The surrender preceded the SJWs. You figure out who/what they surrendered to you’ll get to the crux of the problem.
"Conant was the first president to recognize that meatballs were Harvard men too."-- Theodore H White
What the hell does IQ have to do with attendance at Harvard, anyway? Yet iStevers obsess about it, too. What's that about?
The problem with affirmative action students is not that they're "unqualified". It's that they have no connection to or interest in the institution's patrimony, and hence, legacy.
I have heard of Secular-Puritanism and Secular-Calvinism but perhaps this qualifies as Secular-Episcopalianism. Sort of a High Church of the left where our betters, both traditional and recent, gather together to lord over and decide how to run affairs for their lessers. They share a common ideology with the other secular faiths but don’t let it interfere too much with their other preoccupations such as running the empire or making money.
I would love to see a two hour debate featuring Tulsi Gabbard against John Bolton on foreign policy.
How about adding Tulsi’s sister Vrindavan and Bolton getting as a partner that fat treasonous rat Adelson whore Mike Pompeo?
John Bolton and Mike Pompeo are treasonous rat government worker scum who put the interests of other nations ahead of the interests of the USA. That is TREASON!
I must say that Tulsi Gabbard and her sister will not say why the people who own and control Comcast and NBC put the interests of other nations ahead of the USA. I will and I have done so repeatedly.
The Jew owners and controllers of the Comcast Corporation and NBC use their propaganda power to make sure that the US military continues to fight wars on behalf of Israel. This can’t be honestly refuted.
I have met Tulsi Gabbard’s sister, Vrindavan, she’s a nice lady — very vivacious and lively! Lot of Vs in there!
The morgul blade struck Vance too deep for him to fully recover, but he’s also far from popular among most SJWs. He’s got the Buttigieg crowd and that’s about it.
The school was academically extremely rigorous. They sold, and from what I hear still sell, t-shirts in the bookstore saying “Anywhere Else it Would’ve Been an A”. The story was that the college didn’t experience the enormous grade inflation during the Vietnam War because the Quakers were all conscious objectors anyway. That was late 70s and early 80s.
Some of the people I went to college with were quite brilliant. One is now a famous physicist. We expected that. One is an entrepreneur from a third world country who founded a multi billion dollar company. Another is now a US Senator. None of those three were Quakers.
Take the Way-Back Machine, Sherman. In colonial times there were two groups of colonists who greatly admired learning— the Puritans and the Quakers. To this day, there are a large number of institutions of higher learning in New England, especially Boston, and eastern Pennsylvania. Many of the former were founded by Puritans. Most of the latter by Quakers.
To give some idea how many colleges there are in those areas— I have a kid who attends college in Boston. There is another college literally across the street. I mean, you walk down the street and there are colleges on both sides. There are a few other smaller colleges in that neighborhood as well.
The concentration of colleges is not quite as high in Philadelphia, since many of the top Quaker schools are in the suburbs. But still, there are tons of colleges there.
Yes, there are a few good colleges in New York, but compare the population to New England or eastern Pennsylvania, and it kind of pales in comparison. There aren’t as many top schools in the NYC area as in the Boston or Philadelphia area.
>>I attended a Quaker college. Supposedly Friends were given preference in admissions, but I only remember a few of my friends being Friends.
The school was academically extremely rigorous.<<
So, you went to Haverford College.
The school was academically extremely rigorous. They sold, and from what I hear still sell, t-shirts in the bookstore saying “Anywhere Else it Would’ve Been an A”. The story was that the college didn’t experience the enormous grade inflation during the Vietnam War because the Quakers were all conscious objectors anyway. That was late 70s and early 80s.
Some of the people I went to college with were quite brilliant. One is now a famous physicist. We expected that. One is an entrepreneur from a third world country who founded a multi billion dollar company. Another is now a US Senator. None of those three were Quakers.
Take the Way-Back Machine, Sherman. In colonial times there were two groups of colonists who greatly admired learning— the Puritans and the Quakers. To this day, there are a large number of institutions of higher learning in New England, especially Boston, and eastern Pennsylvania. Many of the former were founded by Puritans. Most of the latter by Quakers.
To give some idea how many colleges there are in those areas— I have a kid who attends college in Boston. There is another college literally across the street. I mean, you walk down the street and there are colleges on both sides. There are a few other smaller colleges in that neighborhood as well.
The concentration of colleges is not quite as high in Philadelphia, since many of the top Quaker schools are in the suburbs. But still, there are tons of colleges there.
Yes, there are a few good colleges in New York, but compare the population to New England or eastern Pennsylvania, and it kind of pales in comparison. There aren’t as many top schools in the NYC area as in the Boston or Philadelphia area.
The sneaky so-called peacenik Quakers in Philadelphia got the decidedly unpeaceful Scotch-Irish borderlands people to go out into the Appalachian hinterlands to provide a buffer against the American Indians.
Quakers Are Sneaky — Quakers Are Sneaky Globalizer Mammonites — Let Them Teach You How!
Quakers in colonial Virginia, too, not just Pennsylvania.
I had no idea Costa Rica was a popular vacation spot, but I know someone who’s there now, and I was wondering what made them decide to go there.
There's actually a lot of very nice places in Costa Rica, and I guess by regional standards it's safer than many other places. (Wiki says it's only 1.1% black. It also says "Whites and Mestizos 83.6%" Hmmm, combining whites and mestizos. How useless a statistic is that!)
So Costa Rica lets you go to someplace nice while virtue signalling to your friends.
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sorry, Albion’s Seed, not Albino’s Seed — Ed West in 2017
I think Ed Dutton is funnier than Ed West, but that is just my opinion. England is rather cozy, I wonder if Dutton has met West.
“These are high-minded ideals, and certainly preferable to a strictly Christian code inflexibly forced upon nonbelievers in search of only a fine education and not religious intolerance.”
If they do not like the code, they are free to go elsewhere.
How dare these privately run and privately funded schools impose their inflexible Christianity on non-Christian parents who voluntarily choose to send their kids to them over all the other options (including the free ones)???
I mean for the love of Gaia, they need to give up all that Christian inflexibility so that the SJW's who want to run the school can force their inflexible SJW code on all the non-believers.
If parents want their kids to spend most of their school days in social justice warrior bootcamp all they need to do is send them to the (tuition) free government-run indoctrination camps right around the corner from their house.
It is frankly amazing to see how many assets - in the form of churches, private schools, and universities - conservatives have surrendered to the intolerant leftist shrews who now run them all. I suspect it now runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars, all surrendered without putting up much of a fight.
“It is frankly amazing to see how many assets – in the form of churches, private schools, and universities – conservatives have surrendered to the intolerant leftist shrews who now run them all. I suspect it now runs into the hundreds of billions of dollars, all surrendered without putting up much of a fight.”
Get with the iSteve program! All that non-STEM stuff is meaningless. Let the non-high IQ losers waste their time with that stuff, what could go wrong?
I was born in Cincinnati and attended parochial (Catholic) school there — even in those days, the Catholic schools were well-regarded — that’s why my parents sent us there (my father was Catholic).
The fine education grew out of that religious intolerance. How long can it last when its source is dammed up?
James B Conant.
“Conant was the first president to recognize that meatballs were Harvard men too.”– Theodore H White
What the hell does IQ have to do with attendance at Harvard, anyway? Yet iStevers obsess about it, too. What’s that about?
The problem with affirmative action students is not that they’re “unqualified”. It’s that they have no connection to or interest in the institution’s patrimony, and hence, legacy.
Figures.
They’re all glommed together as part of the deracination process. They’d be Secular-Quakers too but Quaker-Quakers already beat them to it.
Quakers Are Sneaky -- Quakers Are Sneaky Globalizer Mammonites -- Let Them Teach You How!
Quakers in colonial Virginia, too, not just Pennsylvania.
https://twitter.com/edwest/status/862642259036172288
A great many early Quakers came from Radnorshire in Mid Wales, a flow not shown on that map. They were converts from 5th Monarchism which merged with Quakerism. Baptists come from almost the same mileu too.
Nathaniel Owings.
I got a William Hartwell Pewitt and a Margret Elizabeth Owings -- the names sound like a Hank Williams song.
Back in the day (I graduated in ’87) the suburban public schools were all better than all the Catholics but St. X. If you were in the city things inverted with only Walnut Hills holding its own among the publics. The suburban public I attended is now behind it’s local Catholic competitor which is a substantial change.
On a cross-country road trip I returned to Cincinnati in 2001 -- I stopped at St Vivians -- I was sad to learn there are no longer any nuns teaching there -- all of my teachers were nuns, except for 3rd grade -- my 3rd grade teacher was married during the year, and invited the entire class to her wedding -- I still remember attending the wedding with my mother.
Nonetheless the diocesan schools--for my area Roger Bacon/Our Lady of Angels--still had the advantage of self-selection. The parents wanted their kids to go there. My impression--i have no test score data--is that this fact, along with the ability to toss out any troublemakers--made it a superior experience compared to the our local public school. (And mine was in a basically all white--at that time--community.)
The better publics academically were in the richer burbs out East--ex. Indian Hill--or little pockets of more well to do folks like Wyoming.~~Getting educational choice--vouchers--is a very underrated priority by conservatives. Like everything else, orders of magnitude less important than the immigration debacle--the battle for sheer survival. But hugely important. There's no underestimating how much leftist indoctrination is done by the public school system now. If conservatives want to survive they need to educate their own children in their own culture and values.
"Conant was the first president to recognize that meatballs were Harvard men too."-- Theodore H White
What the hell does IQ have to do with attendance at Harvard, anyway? Yet iStevers obsess about it, too. What's that about?
The problem with affirmative action students is not that they're "unqualified". It's that they have no connection to or interest in the institution's patrimony, and hence, legacy.
A STEM man.
Figures.
I have an Owings from Maryland in my ancestry.
Nathaniel Owings.
I got a William Hartwell Pewitt and a Margret Elizabeth Owings — the names sound like a Hank Williams song.
Costa Rica has done a great job marketing themselves to SWPLs. After all, they are a nation without an army! And they are very ecologically minded!
There’s actually a lot of very nice places in Costa Rica, and I guess by regional standards it’s safer than many other places. (Wiki says it’s only 1.1% black. It also says “Whites and Mestizos 83.6%” Hmmm, combining whites and mestizos. How useless a statistic is that!)
So Costa Rica lets you go to someplace nice while virtue signalling to your friends.
strictly Christian code inflexibly forced upon nonbelievers
Yeah where in the last 50 years does that ever happen? Even the Catholic homeless shelter here can’t bring up religion to their guests because Grant Money.
A little orthodoxy would be refreshing. But it’s always 1950 to the church-phobes.
Are they, now? Nonbelievers are 100% responsible for pretty much every horror in the world. From forced organ harvesting to genocide and abortion, global citizens have either led the way or simply stepped aside to let evil run rampant.
By your argument, there was no evil in the world prior to the advent of freethinking in the late-19th century. That ought to strain the credulity among even religious zealots like yourself.
I attended St Vivians — we were headed to St Xavier, but my father lost his job (at GE Evendale), so we moved out west to Seattle WA (and later to San Jose CA) — after Cincinnati I attended public schools.
On a cross-country road trip I returned to Cincinnati in 2001 — I stopped at St Vivians — I was sad to learn there are no longer any nuns teaching there — all of my teachers were nuns, except for 3rd grade — my 3rd grade teacher was married during the year, and invited the entire class to her wedding — I still remember attending the wedding with my mother.
Or, maybe Swarthmore?
My great-uncle’s mother-in-law was disowned by her Quaker relatives for marrying an army officer. That would have been circa 1910 in Ireland. That’s probably one taboo the Quakers have maintained.
I hate pacifists.
No is demanding they go mass-murder third world babies, and yet they never STFU about forcing their cowardice on others. They are a cancer, and gulags are the cure.
"Lead, follow, or GTFO of the way."
Pacifists are parasites. Their beliefs are a delicate luxury provided by superior men on the peripheries who silently bleed to keep these pussy moral narcissists safe.
Try being a pacifist on a Balkan-Ottoman frontier, or in the Kievan Rus state as the Mongols approached.
Pacifists are really easy to cuckold. Just imagine how c*ck starved their women are. No wonder they form cults to insulate their women from superior manhood. Hiding is what pacifists do best.
I was long gone by the 80s, but such a sweeping generalization was not the case earlier. It was definitely pick and choose for the Catholics versus the suburban high schools.
I think you are hitting on a particular issue in Cincinnati, that it had a very large Catholic school program. But the diocesan schools had the disadvantage, that St.X was creaming the better Catholic kids (boys anyway). From my parish school cohort, five of us were going to St.X, ergo unavailable to the diocesan school. This wouldn’t be true of the Protestants, hence the smart Prots would almost all be in the local public school. (There were a couple Protestants in my class at St.X but the numbers would be inconsequential.)
Nonetheless the diocesan schools–for my area Roger Bacon/Our Lady of Angels–still had the advantage of self-selection. The parents wanted their kids to go there. My impression–i have no test score data–is that this fact, along with the ability to toss out any troublemakers–made it a superior experience compared to the our local public school. (And mine was in a basically all white–at that time–community.)
The better publics academically were in the richer burbs out East–ex. Indian Hill–or little pockets of more well to do folks like Wyoming.
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Getting educational choice–vouchers–is a very underrated priority by conservatives. Like everything else, orders of magnitude less important than the immigration debacle–the battle for sheer survival. But hugely important. There’s no underestimating how much leftist indoctrination is done by the public school system now. If conservatives want to survive they need to educate their own children in their own culture and values.
My impression is that it’s just another excuse to put vicious thug blacks and dumb Hispanics into White schools. I might be wrong.
Elite boarding schools have been a huge deal in English culture for hundreds of years, but are much less so in American culture. Boarding schools were and perhaps still are central to the English class system.
Non-boarding private schools, while important, are a less intense molding experience.
I was trying to think of famous American boarding school novels, and all that came to mind was A Separate Peace. Written by an alumnus of Exeter, which might as well be in England.
There is Tobias Wolff, but I mostly know him as Leonardo DiCaprio getting beaten upon by Robert DeNiro. Which was entertaining to see.
Yes, that was our plan since the beautifully restored elementary at the end of the street is >90% black (thus “failing,” so $5kish vouchers are available for the school of one’s choice), only to discover that the latest class at the highly recommended local Catholic elementary is 80% black as well. I did hear some black mamas complaining at the local convenience store that the only available apartments accepting section 8 were way out in the suburbs and all our younger (progressive, of course, although with a noticeable lack of enthusiasm) friends want to live in the city in a neighborhood like ours, especially the ones starting families.
As for us, moving out of the city entails paying $300k for a $150k house to get into a “good” (i.e. white) district, much longer commute, etc… and our street is gorgeous, all white, little turnover, so who knows?
Nonetheless the diocesan schools--for my area Roger Bacon/Our Lady of Angels--still had the advantage of self-selection. The parents wanted their kids to go there. My impression--i have no test score data--is that this fact, along with the ability to toss out any troublemakers--made it a superior experience compared to the our local public school. (And mine was in a basically all white--at that time--community.)
The better publics academically were in the richer burbs out East--ex. Indian Hill--or little pockets of more well to do folks like Wyoming.~~Getting educational choice--vouchers--is a very underrated priority by conservatives. Like everything else, orders of magnitude less important than the immigration debacle--the battle for sheer survival. But hugely important. There's no underestimating how much leftist indoctrination is done by the public school system now. If conservatives want to survive they need to educate their own children in their own culture and values.
Our troublemakers ended up at the local Catholic school. Then again, men were in charge then, most veterans.
This is of course, bullshit. Choosing to attend a Catholic school and then complaining about having religion forced upon you is nonsense.
"The elite schools have exchanged religion for a shared code of social justice, multiculturalism, and global citizenship."
LOL and yeah - forcing degeneracy, self hate, and the NWO is REALLY preferable to the former.
Furthermore, they still ram the dogma down the throat. It’s just that the dogma is globo-homo and MLK cult.
There's actually a lot of very nice places in Costa Rica, and I guess by regional standards it's safer than many other places. (Wiki says it's only 1.1% black. It also says "Whites and Mestizos 83.6%" Hmmm, combining whites and mestizos. How useless a statistic is that!)
So Costa Rica lets you go to someplace nice while virtue signalling to your friends.
As I’ve posted before: Costa Rica- No negroes, no indios, no problemo.
The god of money is Mammon, by the way. Which she would know if she had intolerant Christian education forced upon her.
“Replace “these schools” with “this country” and you’ll have economically described this nation’s cultural transformation over the last several decades.”
The worship of Mammon is much older than this country is.
Marlborough and St Paul’s are supposed to be better than Harvard Westlake although at that level it’s difficult to decide which school is number 1 or 2.
I really don’t understand the obsession about private schools of people who never went to private school don’t send their kids to private school and don’t know anyone who went to private school.
Nonetheless the diocesan schools--for my area Roger Bacon/Our Lady of Angels--still had the advantage of self-selection. The parents wanted their kids to go there. My impression--i have no test score data--is that this fact, along with the ability to toss out any troublemakers--made it a superior experience compared to the our local public school. (And mine was in a basically all white--at that time--community.)
The better publics academically were in the richer burbs out East--ex. Indian Hill--or little pockets of more well to do folks like Wyoming.~~Getting educational choice--vouchers--is a very underrated priority by conservatives. Like everything else, orders of magnitude less important than the immigration debacle--the battle for sheer survival. But hugely important. There's no underestimating how much leftist indoctrination is done by the public school system now. If conservatives want to survive they need to educate their own children in their own culture and values.
The problem with vouchers is that it’s government money and government will screw over Whites anyway it can.
My impression is that it’s just another excuse to put vicious thug blacks and dumb Hispanics into White schools. I might be wrong.
Vouchers never really went anywhere as policy b/c the supporters tended to be National Review/Heritage Foundation type dorks that thought all that was needed to fix blacks was less government and more "choice". Another example of Republican ninnies trying to "win the black vote".
Meanwhile blacks themselves mostly don't care about education so didn't press for vouchers, while Repub whites in the suburbs thought "I moved all the way out here and have a lengthy commute for work specifically so my kids don't have to go to school with a bunch of misbehaving blacks" so didn't support them.
And of course the Democrats were against it because at the state level they're owned by the teachers unions (among others).
We likes our Harry Potter, though if they had a little American gun culture in them the plot would’ve been a lot shorter.
I was trying to think of famous American boarding school novels, and all that came to mind was A Separate Peace. Written by an alumnus of Exeter, which might as well be in England.
There is Tobias Wolff, but I mostly know him as Leonardo DiCaprio getting beaten upon by Robert DeNiro. Which was entertaining to see.
I was trying to think of famous American boarding school novels, and all that came to mind was A Separate Peace. Written by an alumnus of Exeter, which might as well be in England.
There is Tobias Wolff, but I mostly know him as Leonardo DiCaprio getting beaten upon by Robert DeNiro. Which was entertaining to see.
Right, whereas a large fraction of the autobiographies of Brits I’ve read have vivid chapters on their Public School: Churchill, Orwell, CS Lewis, David Niven, etc.
The dominant U.S. boarding schools can be found in New England. High WASP country. They feed the Ivies, and though the ethnic composition has probably altered over time they’re mostly for a certain type of person.
Crack open a biography of random politicos and grand cultural figures from the previous century and you won’t be surprised to see they attended:
Exeter
St. Paul’s
Choate
Groton
Hotchkiss
St. Albans,
etc.
It’s not so much that the U.S. is too big. Probably every region had its own regional prestige school which fed into the big state school. But once they graduate, they aren’t launched into ambassadorships and corporation boards and senate seats.
This is how the Establishment worked. One frat at one university full of prep school buddies can come to dominate the CIA. Such people did not want upstarts from Bumwad, Texas elbowing in. Even if they did go to a decent boarding school.
Exeter grads Bush 1&2 were nothing more than puppets manipulated by Israel and its lobbyists
There’s a whole country west of the Appalachians and south of Pennsylvania.
The middle class government salaries weren’t acceptable to the elites either. By 1950s CIA wanted middle class Mormons and Catholics because they’d be content with a government salary and allegedly had high moral standards.
Then affirmative action came along and the race was on for blacks Hispanics and Asians.
Since mid 1980s CIA wants sons of immigrants who speak Farsi Dari Pashto Urdu Several of the major forms of Arabic and other languages used in the Muslim countries we want to destroy
Dead Poets’ Society and Scent of a Woman were both set in boarding schools stateside. Was there a spike in interest in the 80s?
I really don’t understand the obsession about private schools of people who never went to private school don’t send their kids to private school and don’t know anyone who went to private school.
Our rulers attend them.
It’s gone far beyond MLK. If it weren’t for blacks he’d have been already memory-holed.
Exeter
St. Paul's
Choate
Groton
Hotchkiss
St. Albans,
etc.It's not so much that the U.S. is too big. Probably every region had its own regional prestige school which fed into the big state school. But once they graduate, they aren't launched into ambassadorships and corporation boards and senate seats. This is how the Establishment worked. One frat at one university full of prep school buddies can come to dominate the CIA. Such people did not want upstarts from Bumwad, Texas elbowing in. Even if they did go to a decent boarding school.
I’m guessing that the US has a culture where boarding school Old Boys aren’t as encouraged to talk about their schooldays as they do in England.
Americans were more into college than boarding school.
The worship of Mammon is much older than this country is.
The founding stock of the United States of America were not avaricious people. There are always exceptions but the point holds.
Nowadays, sadly, when we speak of commercial and even cultural leaders such people are more the rule than the exception.
Be nice if only people who actually attended private schools and sent their children to private schools answered.
US private schools were mostly but not all founded by different Christian sects. Some were founded to be secular private schools. The only ones that are still truly religious are the Protestant ones that call themselves Christian instead of Protestant. The majority of private schools are Catholic schools. The Catholic and Christian schools are the only ones that don’t push abortion and homosexuality on the kids. The Protestant and secular private schools do push abortion, homosexuality and the same liberal propaganda on the kids as do the public schools.
The catholics, Thanks Be To God, still have the thriving parish elementary, age 5 to 13 school system. It was those schools that saved the cities from becoming completely black
Most are day schools. Until about 60 years ago there were a large number of inexpensive private and mostly catholic religious boarding schools around. The cost has closed most of them down. The few private boarding schools left cost about $80,000 a year. The survivors are mostly in the north east like Andover, Milton, Exeter, St Paul’s, St Tim’s. Lots of St Paul’s boys schools. they were protestant founded.
No private school dominates because as you wrote the USA is just too big.
Elite very wealthy Jews still like the public school system Maybe to save money for the million dollar bar mitzvahs. The jewish private schools are very religious.
Proud to tell you that my home town, San Francisco Ca has more private high schools than public high schools. Some dating back to Spanish times.
Holden Caulfield in Catcher in the Rye is on the lam from boarding school.
What teen of today can identify with that? They don’t really have dates anymore.
All the nerd teachers thought Holden is some kind of glamorous rebel. Teens thought he was an icky nerd even when it was written Yuck
Probably grew up to be Woody Allen
First, yes, the USA is too big for one private school to be the high and mighty poo bah like Eton. Although that is a bit of a myth as Winchester and others are just as prestigious.
Most American private schools were founded as religious schools although from the very first there were many secular private schools. The only schools that are still truly religious are the orthodox Jewish schools and the protestant schools that call themselves Christian instead of Lutheran or Episcopal. The Lutherans are the only protestant denomination that has a significant number of private schools. The Catholic schools teach Catholic religion but aren’t’ religious the sincere way the Christian schools are. To gain admission to a Christian school, both parents and children must sign that they believe in the literal Bible truth, have a personal relationship with both Christ and God and some other things. Catholics accept anyone if there is room. The kids have to take religion class but don’t have to believe any of it.
The catholic and Christian schools are the only ones that don’t shove abortion and homosexuality on the kids. Orthodox jewish schools don’t shove homosexuality. Most jews don’t attend the Jewish schools because they are religious and most American jews are extremely secular
Most are day schools because of accessibility. As late as 1960 there were plenty of boarding schools but they just cost too much and have gone under. There are some left, including some military schools.
The private schools matter very very much at the city and local level. Contacts are made at those schools that are very helpful. This is especially important for White kids because of government affirmative action discrimination. I don’t know if they matter at the state level. I guess it depends on if the state is large or small.
Illinois is governed by a combination of Chicago ghetto trash educated in the city public schools.
People educated at Francis Parker, Chicago Latin, the Lutheran high school or the numerous Catholic schools in Chicago wouldn’t go near government work.
Except for the very religious, Jews prefer public schools, even the dangerous ones. Perhaps because they want to save the money for the million plus Bar Mitzvahs. Maybe because they like to feel superior to the dummies in the public schools.
The whole rich WASPS attend elite private schools ad are automatically admitted into top colleges Harvard Yale Princeton is a myth. It may have been true at one time, but affirmative action discrimination against Whites ended that 50 years ago. Now days the only way a White can be admitted is for the parents to give a massive donation before admission.
Some wealthy Whites are so desperate to have private schools for their kids that they are endowing private schools with scholarship money. For instance, in the city of San Mateo Ca a bit north of Silicon Valley the mega rich moguls of Silicon Valley have established a 40 million dollar scholarship fund for Catholic Juniperro Serra boys school. Same with some other schools in Silicon Valley such as Bellarmine. Serra began as mission school by the Spanish padres.
Wealthy Californians make a fortune from the low IQ Hispanics that work for them, but they don’t want their kids attending school with functionally retarded kids. The California public schools are militantly anti White too. Even militantly anti White Nancy Pelosi, Gavin Newsom and others don’t want their kids going to school with low IQ Hispanics
Are you familiar with our charitable educational tax deductions? That helps the private schools enormously. Cant’ deduct the tuition, but can deduct a donation to the scholarship fund.
The largest system is the age 5 to 13 Catholic parish elementary school system, Half the tuition is tax deductible as a “donation” to the parish church ha ha ha ha
There is also a way to establish a charitable and educational foundation and give scholarships to your relative’ kids s and they give scholarships to yours.
Exeter
St. Paul's
Choate
Groton
Hotchkiss
St. Albans,
etc.It's not so much that the U.S. is too big. Probably every region had its own regional prestige school which fed into the big state school. But once they graduate, they aren't launched into ambassadorships and corporation boards and senate seats. This is how the Establishment worked. One frat at one university full of prep school buddies can come to dominate the CIA. Such people did not want upstarts from Bumwad, Texas elbowing in. Even if they did go to a decent boarding school.
last century says it all
One of my brothers and I literally slept through class and partied thru college because we learned everything taught in our college classes in private high school.
I took a lot of European history classes. I just wrote all the term papers from previous knowledge. Then I’d go to the library and make up a bibliography and footnotes.
He’s probably missing home by now.
Exeter
St. Paul's
Choate
Groton
Hotchkiss
St. Albans,
etc.It's not so much that the U.S. is too big. Probably every region had its own regional prestige school which fed into the big state school. But once they graduate, they aren't launched into ambassadorships and corporation boards and senate seats. This is how the Establishment worked. One frat at one university full of prep school buddies can come to dominate the CIA. Such people did not want upstarts from Bumwad, Texas elbowing in. Even if they did go to a decent boarding school.
America has been run by mostly public school leftist Jews ever since the mid 1930s since Groton grad Roosevelt infested the federal civil service with them
Exeter grads Bush 1&2 were nothing more than puppets manipulated by Israel and its lobbyists
There’s a whole country west of the Appalachians and south of Pennsylvania.
The college admissions hysteria at Sidwell Friends and other elite public and private schools is because;
the wealthy elite Whites who think affirmative action is so great and virtuous have realized that it applies to their children as well as us deplorable proles and peasants.
Similar to the French Russian and Chinese intellectuals and aristocrats who were all for liberty equality and reform until more radical revolutionaries confiscated their property and executed them.
Not since the Roosevelt administration.
God how I hated that book. It’s still on the high school reading lists. It’s so outdated. He goes to NYC and checks into a nice hotel with no ID no credit card and just the cash he had in him. Then he calls a girl and they go to a Broadway show on a date
What teen of today can identify with that? They don’t really have dates anymore.
All the nerd teachers thought Holden is some kind of glamorous rebel. Teens thought he was an icky nerd even when it was written Yuck
Probably grew up to be Woody Allen
Exeter
St. Paul's
Choate
Groton
Hotchkiss
St. Albans,
etc.It's not so much that the U.S. is too big. Probably every region had its own regional prestige school which fed into the big state school. But once they graduate, they aren't launched into ambassadorships and corporation boards and senate seats. This is how the Establishment worked. One frat at one university full of prep school buddies can come to dominate the CIA. Such people did not want upstarts from Bumwad, Texas elbowing in. Even if they did go to a decent boarding school.
That’s a Jewish myth. Even in the 1940s CIA was more interested in sons of Chinese Korean Russian Polish Czech Slovak Serbian Hungarian and Bulgarian immigrants for their language skills than Scull and Bones Yale men.
The middle class government salaries weren’t acceptable to the elites either. By 1950s CIA wanted middle class Mormons and Catholics because they’d be content with a government salary and allegedly had high moral standards.
Then affirmative action came along and the race was on for blacks Hispanics and Asians.
Since mid 1980s CIA wants sons of immigrants who speak Farsi Dari Pashto Urdu Several of the major forms of Arabic and other languages used in the Muslim countries we want to destroy
Yes. The Official Preppy Handbook came out in 1980 and was a huge hit launching a wave of all things preppy in the pop culture.
Exeter grads Bush 1&2 were nothing more than puppets manipulated by Israel and its lobbyists
There’s a whole country west of the Appalachians and south of Pennsylvania.
I thought Dubya went to Groton.
Philips Andover, just like his father, and, I believe, both his grandfathers.
Private schools? They damn well do.
So once upon a time parents sent their children to these religious schools for a good education but they had to follow (old) religious values. The author says it was a good thing these were junked in favor of some amorphous blob of “values” and any connection to religion that remains is an SJW priestess – maybe. However, she laments, the parents and the human activity that surrounds these schools has degenerated to a grasping jungle morality. She is contradicting herself because the schools have improved themselves from excellent to tawdry.
The latter was a renewed interest in feminine hygiene.
My impression is that it’s just another excuse to put vicious thug blacks and dumb Hispanics into White schools. I might be wrong.
Yep.
Vouchers never really went anywhere as policy b/c the supporters tended to be National Review/Heritage Foundation type dorks that thought all that was needed to fix blacks was less government and more “choice”. Another example of Republican ninnies trying to “win the black vote”.
Meanwhile blacks themselves mostly don’t care about education so didn’t press for vouchers, while Repub whites in the suburbs thought “I moved all the way out here and have a lengthy commute for work specifically so my kids don’t have to go to school with a bunch of misbehaving blacks” so didn’t support them.
And of course the Democrats were against it because at the state level they’re owned by the teachers unions (among others).
Vouchers never really went anywhere as policy b/c the supporters tended to be National Review/Heritage Foundation type dorks that thought all that was needed to fix blacks was less government and more "choice". Another example of Republican ninnies trying to "win the black vote".
Meanwhile blacks themselves mostly don't care about education so didn't press for vouchers, while Repub whites in the suburbs thought "I moved all the way out here and have a lengthy commute for work specifically so my kids don't have to go to school with a bunch of misbehaving blacks" so didn't support them.
And of course the Democrats were against it because at the state level they're owned by the teachers unions (among others).
I just used my Agree button this hour but you are spot on, as the Brits would say.
I went to one of these expensive “elite” clown schools. I learned very little of value.
In my early 20s I had a lot of free time, so I got out some books on basic maths, general chemistry, and English grammar and style. In 2 years of this I learned far more for free (+late charges at the library) than I did in all my time at that pretentious silly school.
Then at 25 I saw Good Will Hunting and that Harvard bar scene really made me laugh because that smug perfumed prince parrot was such a picture perfect representation of what these “elite” schools produce.
Above all I pity my gullible parents for wasting their money on that scam.
If you want knowledge, stay away from college.
What a bunch of f*ggots.
I hate pacifists.
No is demanding they go mass-murder third world babies, and yet they never STFU about forcing their cowardice on others. They are a cancer, and gulags are the cure.
“Lead, follow, or GTFO of the way.”
Pacifists are parasites. Their beliefs are a delicate luxury provided by superior men on the peripheries who silently bleed to keep these pussy moral narcissists safe.
Try being a pacifist on a Balkan-Ottoman frontier, or in the Kievan Rus state as the Mongols approached.
Pacifists are really easy to cuckold. Just imagine how c*ck starved their women are. No wonder they form cults to insulate their women from superior manhood. Hiding is what pacifists do best.
No, it was the first taste of the red pill. The casting of the AFC was perfect.
I was trying to think of famous American boarding school novels, and all that came to mind was A Separate Peace. Written by an alumnus of Exeter, which might as well be in England.
There is Tobias Wolff, but I mostly know him as Leonardo DiCaprio getting beaten upon by Robert DeNiro. Which was entertaining to see.
Owen Johnson’s 1909-1922 Lawrenceville Stories aren’t that famous outside of The Lawrenceville School, but there was a TV mini-series made from them in the late ’80s. Fine old place, I enjoyed being there in 8th grade, when it was still all-boys. Taki is a Lawrencville alum.
I’m surprised Jeffrey Goldberg would publish something like this.