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iSteve commenter Elephant in the Wash Room points out that iSteve content generator Donna Zuckerberg is exhausted from the emotional labor of publishing her Woke Ancient Greece and Rome website:

Maybe someone else has already mentioned this, but it appears that the horrors of the Trump regime has gotten the better of Sailer’s favorite Classicist, Donna Zuckerberg, who’s closing down her Eidolon journal. Apparently, life can wear down even the sister of somebody worth $100 billion. Go figure.

How can I spend my energy reading Greek and Latin when a pandemic has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans? How can I read and think slowly and carefully when there’s no justice for the murderers of Breonna Taylor and countless others, and when the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg means that our judicial system will be even more an enemy of real justice in the future? How can I write coherent sentences when I think about the growing danger of an autocratic coup by the Trump administration?

How indeed?

But I’m also exhausted. Running Eidolon is a lot of (largely uncompensated) work for me and for my team. With our rigorous editing process, publishing between 50 and 100 essays a year has been fairly labor-intensive, although it’s been a labor of love. But the past six months have sapped my emotional reserves and put extraordinary demands on my time and energy, and my work has suffered as a result. I didn’t feel that I could handle this job and my other responsibilities.

Apparently, running leftist journals is yet another job that even American plutocrats are unwilling to do. Think of all those articles about the intersection of Classical studies and critical race theory that are now being left to rot on the vine. Surely, among all those unwashed masses flooding across the border, there’s one with the pluck and drive to keep the rigorous editing process of leftist scholarship going?

Hopefully, Donna can find some other useful outlet for her myriad talents, whatever they may be.

 
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  1. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    Can anyone even imagine how many readers they must have? I could see it being under 1000, perhaps even less than 100.

    Still it probably wields considerable power, if they can put forward a frame for how future media about ancient Greece and Rome could be made leftist.

    One idea I’ve actually had for that is to make a movie about the Peloponnesian War where the spartans are all-white (and are an obvious stand-in for white people) and Athens is obviously mixed-race and leftist. It’s an extremely dumb idea but I feel like there’s a decent chance it could happen.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anon

    Well, in much more recent times, an alliance led by a warlike, über-Aryan nation lost in large part due to a multiracial democracy. I would much rather watch an alternate history where the Axis won than some sort of "Hamilton" type permutation of an ancient war that has almost no relevance to the modern day. And to the extent the Peloponnesian War does have modern relevance, there is no need to make Athens multiracial. You don't need racial diversity to criticize democracy.

  2. How can I write coherent sentences …. I didn’t feel that I could handle this job

    Edited for clarity and concision.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    @anon


    I didn’t feel that I could handle this job
     
    Reading the classics did nothing to keep her from being a self-absorbed drama queen.
  3. Years ago we would tear down a blast furnace while it was still hot, choking on ore dust and lung searing heat. Happy to be making the big bucks that came with the rebuild, working twelve hour days project start to finish, maybe a month straight. Exhaustion my ass. What an over used word especially from some one who probably has an assistant, a driver and a cook. (Didn’t research that, but seems possible.)

    • Thanks: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    Exactly right. My mother got a bricklayer job at Bethlehem Steel in the first days of women’s lib in the early 70’s. Rebuilding “soaking pits” while still warm, brick-lined cells where steel ingots were kept hot with gas jets awaiting forging. The brick walls could and did collapse when cooled, endangering lives. Climbing 300-foot chimneys for repairs. Our progeny and new immigrants (except for the Mexicans) are pussies compared to her.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Clyde
    @Buffalo Joe

    My no sarcasm reply is thanks for surviving all those insults to your lungs so that you can comment here. And continuing on for your extended family too. Much of life is continuity for family and enduring.

    "What you cannot cure, you must endure"

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Clyde

    , @SimpleSong
    @Buffalo Joe

    Also--thanks for building the modern friggin' world. I'm sitting here on my steel (and wood) chair, after having taken a trip in my personal mobile steel box, etc.

    One of the most infuriating things to me about the last 50 years is the way we handled the issues that came with industrialization. There was/is most definitely real danger and a real human cost, both to the workers themselves and to the general public in the form of pollution. We could have incrementally improved things to reduce those human costs, which would have required ingenuity and hard work, but instead we decided to outsource industry so the financial/managerial class could make an easy buck.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  4. Wow! Talk about lack of self-awareness. This woman is practically on another planet.

    • Replies: @Currahee
    @PSR

    Marie Antoinette.

    , @Muggles
    @PSR


    Wow! Talk about lack of self-awareness. This woman is practically on another planet.
     
    Yes, idle wealthy women have always taken up odd hobbies to fill their empty lives. This one seems harmless though her "whinesplaining" is very tiresome.

    I recommend she work nights in some inner city convenience store for a few months. If she manages to survive she will acquire much unexpected but needed wisdom.
  5. If it never turned a profit, served a good purpose, or amused or educated a reader, then how do we know when it’s not there any more?

    • Replies: @anon
    @J.Ross

    Schrödinger's webzine. You can't know if it's 404 or not until you open the URL.

  6. The Classics win again, I see.

    • LOL: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Anon

    Spoiled rich woman who owes her cushy life to being related to a successful man decides that the emotional labor of actually trying to do something is just too exhausting in the Time of Trump.

    Does this mean she'll be back and rejuvenated after the Inauguration? Well, I wouldn't bet on it, if I were you. But I'll go out on a limb and predict that her next venture won't be quite so much like a real business. That exhaustion thing again.

  7. Is she really exhausted or has she decided to self-cancel before the new guy takes over and suddenly studying the classics becomes a de facto sign of white supremacy?

  8. There must be more to the story, as someone else could have taken over.

    Did her funding dry up? Was that brother Mark? Or did she decide that anything promoting the Classics necessarily also furthers White supremacy, the Patriarchy, and xenophobia?

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Roger

    She made the shocking discovery that the Greeks and Romans (and Celts and Arabs and Thracians and Scythians and everybody else) took slaves who were white, and thus the moral monopoly of slabery victimhood for POCs was unsustainable. If everybody on earth has forebears who were slabes (and they do), then honestly, what's the point of the grift?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @AnotherDad
    @Roger


    There must be more to the story, as someone else could have taken over.
     
    Her wiki says she's married with a couple kids.

    My bet: she was tired of doing it and wanted to spend more time on her own kids. This is, of course, what most women want to do--and should be doing. So i congratulate her on her good sense.

    But she can't just say that--at least not directly; it's "other responsibilities" No we must get all sorts of minoritarian weep and moan about us cossacks burning villages or something.

    Just shut up and go be a mom, Donna.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  9. So in other words, Eidolon didn’t take off like Facebook, and she’s lost interest.

  10. @Anon
    The Classics win again, I see.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Spoiled rich woman who owes her cushy life to being related to a successful man decides that the emotional labor of actually trying to do something is just too exhausting in the Time of Trump.

    Does this mean she’ll be back and rejuvenated after the Inauguration? Well, I wouldn’t bet on it, if I were you. But I’ll go out on a limb and predict that her next venture won’t be quite so much like a real business. That exhaustion thing again.

  11. Think of all those articles about the intersection of Classical studies and critical race theory that are now being left to rot on the vine.

    Dios mio, what a tragedy! Will scholarship ever recover!

    Surely, among all those unwashed masses flooding across the border, there’s one with the pluck and drive to keep the rigorous editing process of leftist scholarship going?

    Such an optimist Steve, but it seems that the leftist scholars south of the border are happy with their lifestyle there — servants, consulting jobs, and the opportunity to perform before crowds of adoring young things.

  12. Hopefully, Donna can find some other useful outlet for her myriad talents, whatever they may be.

    What are some of her talents?

    • Replies: @Ano
    @Anonymous

    Now she's available, I would love this talented Womyn to run Google, or Facebook, or Twitter, or one of the MSM Media companies, or a Hollywood studio.

    Please.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous



    Hopefully, Donna can find some other useful outlet for her myriad talents, whatever they may be.
     
    What are some of her talents?
     
    Her only talent is having a rich brother.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco

  13. @Roger
    There must be more to the story, as someone else could have taken over.

    Did her funding dry up? Was that brother Mark? Or did she decide that anything promoting the Classics necessarily also furthers White supremacy, the Patriarchy, and xenophobia?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @AnotherDad

    She made the shocking discovery that the Greeks and Romans (and Celts and Arabs and Thracians and Scythians and everybody else) took slaves who were white, and thus the moral monopoly of slabery victimhood for POCs was unsustainable. If everybody on earth has forebears who were slabes (and they do), then honestly, what’s the point of the grift?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    While, over the last 60 years, the US has repaid, many times over, whatever debts were owed to black slaves and their descendants, it's highly dishonest to pretend that the racial conflict in the US has anything to do with a "moral monopoly."

    "But slavery wasn't only practiced in the US" is a bizarre and irrelevant response to the claims of the "progressives," who argue, rightly or wrongly, that the legacy of US slavery (and segregation, and redlining etc) still harms American blacks today.

    If someone came up to you and accused you of stealing from them, would you respond by saying "a thousand years ago some Chinese guy stole from another Chinese guy therefore I don't owe you anything"? Beyond absurd.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  14. She never landed a faculty position (of which there must be quite few in the classics).

  15. Ha! She thinks she, a white Classicist, is exhausted? Her exhaustion is as nothing compared to the exhaustion of those who occupy Black bodies. What next? A complaint that people want to touch the hair of a woman who reads Latin and Greek?

    I think she’s indulging in grievance appropriation.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Kylie

    That's good, "grievance appropriation" especially.

    But I suspect she cannot read Latin or Greek.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @TelfoedJohn
    @Kylie


    I think she’s indulging in grievance appropriation.
     
    Appropriating the suffering, real or imagined, of other people is what makes the modern world go round. It’s really envy of the attention that sufferers get. SJW stigmata. Like lesbian AIDS envy in the 80s.
  16. Anon[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Years ago we would tear down a blast furnace while it was still hot, choking on ore dust and lung searing heat. Happy to be making the big bucks that came with the rebuild, working twelve hour days project start to finish, maybe a month straight. Exhaustion my ass. What an over used word especially from some one who probably has an assistant, a driver and a cook. (Didn't research that, but seems possible.)

    Replies: @Anon, @Clyde, @SimpleSong

    Exactly right. My mother got a bricklayer job at Bethlehem Steel in the first days of women’s lib in the early 70’s. Rebuilding “soaking pits” while still warm, brick-lined cells where steel ingots were kept hot with gas jets awaiting forging. The brick walls could and did collapse when cooled, endangering lives. Climbing 300-foot chimneys for repairs. Our progeny and new immigrants (except for the Mexicans) are pussies compared to her.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anon

    TwoThreeSeven, good for your Mom. Bricklayers in steel mills relined all the "hot' vessels with refractory brick. The vessel, whether a black furnace, s soaking pit or the "stoves" were all rebuilt while hot. Tough job.

  17. @J.Ross
    If it never turned a profit, served a good purpose, or amused or educated a reader, then how do we know when it's not there any more?

    Replies: @anon

    Schrödinger’s webzine. You can’t know if it’s 404 or not until you open the URL.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian
  18. @Anonymous

    Hopefully, Donna can find some other useful outlet for her myriad talents, whatever they may be.
     
    What are some of her talents?

    Replies: @Ano, @Mr. Anon

    Now she’s available, I would love this talented Womyn to run Google, or Facebook, or Twitter, or one of the MSM Media companies, or a Hollywood studio.

    Please.

  19. Along those lines, more billionaire travails….

    • LOL: ic1000
    • Replies: @black sea
    @Shaq

    I have a feeling that even if his hedge fund tanks, he'll be fine.

    , @SFG
    @Shaq

    Eh, she's just a mom worried about her son, who she's also proud of. Normal mom behavior.

    She just forgot she's in a very elevated social class and broadcasting this to the world.

  20. The bizarre thing about the latest round of kvetching is 538 says Biden is an 84-16 shot to win the election. 84-16. They have proved they are sore losers but they will probably be sore winners too if it should come to that. Where are all the anticipatory goosebumps? The counting of not-yet-hatched chickens?

    Oddsshark currently has Biden at P=.66.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Morton's toes

    It's almost as if they know the polls are bullshit.

    Replies: @epebble

    , @res
    @Morton's toes

    It is now 85-15.
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

    Four years ago today they had it as 82-18 for Hillary.
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    It is interesting how little variation there has been in the 2020 forecast compared to 2016.

    , @El Dato
    @Morton's toes

    Europeans want Papy Biden:

    Thanks, Europeans. Your overwhelming support for Biden means Trump’s now more likely to win. You just don’t understand us at all

    Must be "Brussels Syndrome".

    Perceptive Nebosa is perceptive:

    ‘Deep State’ much? Pelosi and Raskin’s 25th Amendment body would let unelected bureaucrats override the will of American people


    Purely for the sake of argument, imagine the Biden-Harris ticket winning the election, and then a “bipartisan” commission consisting of former Obama and George W. Bush administration officials decide that Biden is suffering from suddenly discovered dementia, handing the White House to Harris.

    Now imagine Trump gets re-elected, and Democrat-dominated Congress overrides Trump’s veto to appoint the same kind of “bipartisan” commission, which then decides both he and Vice-President Mike Pence are somehow “incapacitated,” and regretfully and prayerfully declares it has no choice but to make Pelosi president, under the established order of succession.
     
    Could it work?

    Also, the way Pelosi uses her completely useless rona-mask on the accompanying photo, I fear she will pick up several kinds of virus before end of the month.
  21. Maybe she saw no more point in “disrupting” classics from the outside, now that university classics departments have gone woke:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan-el_Padilla_Peralta

    • Agree: Beavertales
    • Replies: @Beavertales
    @International Jew

    "Maybe she saw no more point in “disrupting” classics from the outside, now that university classics departments have gone woke."

    Others in the establishment are doing it more effectively from the inside, including publishing, and they're doing it with tenure. If she lands a position in academia, she'll go right back to 'disrupting'.

  22. “Get Woke, Go Broke”?

    The online classics journal Eidolon (eidolon.pub) is a publication of Palimpsest Media LLC.

    “I’m thrilled to announce the launch of Palimpsest Media, the new home for Eidolon, idle musings, and, hopefully, additional publication ventures.” ( Donna Zuckerberg, https://eidolon.pub/eidolons-next-move-2093be1e80f2 )

    Palimpsest Media LLC., with 1 manager, Donna Zuckerberg:

    https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201716310447

    https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/SearchResults?SearchType=NUMBER&SearchCriteria=201716310447

    According to web traffic monitor keyfora, eidolon.pub reaches roughly 2,166 users per day and delivers about 64,971 users each month

    https://www.keyfora.com/site/eidolon.pub

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @CCZ

    Thanks, those are some interesting links. That keyfora site especially. I put in unz.com and of course it comes out much higher than eidolon.pub. If you look at country by country numbers after the U.S. the most visitors to unz.com originate from Indonesia! 3rd is Taiwan. I've never run across someone commenting at unz who was from Indonesia or claimed it. That's just weird. I think the numbers below are per month.

    https://www.keyfora.com/site/unz.com

    Vistor via Country

    United States 1,186,131

    Indonesia 927,722

    Taiwan 301,662

    United Kingdom 267,836

    Brazil 242,328

    Nigeria 211,829

    Egypt 178,003

    Hong Kong 168,021

    Canada 168,021

    Australia 146,395

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Jack D
    @CCZ

    This link gives Eidolon's most popular articles:

    https://eidolon.pub/eidolon-s-most-popular-articles-63b4bb03efc9

    A number of them seem to have a certain focus:

    Dick Pics, Ancient and Modern

    Emanscapation: Between the Public and the Pubic in Ancient Greece

    The Measure of a Man: Minor Classical Phalluses, Major Modern Fragility

    Hmm, paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.

    However, other current topics are also give due attention:

    How to Be a Good Classicist Under a Bad Emperor

    What Women (Don’t) Want: Tiresias on Female Pleasure

    The Body in Question: Looking At Non-Binary Gender in the Greek and Roman World

    Why Students of Color Don’t Take Latin

    For a journal of classics, it seems to me that Eidolon has a lot more to do with the (Leftist, feminist) obsessions of 2020 AD than anything relating to the classical period.

    This is very much in keeping with the current retconning of history. I've watched a fair amount of TV during the current lockup. One series I watched was the new Perry Mason. Many of the familiar characters were recast in a new light and new ones added. Della Street is now a lesbian. Paul Drake is a noble black ex-cop. Perry has a neighbor/friend with benefits who is a wise Latina pilot/airfield entrepreneur.

    Then I watched "Enola Holmes" - she is the spunky younger sister of Sherlock that Conan Doyle forgot to mention. It turns out that Sherlock's mom is a suffragette bomber. She has a friend who is a female African martial arts ninja who could whup Sherlock's ass if given the chance. The anti-suffragists are willing to murder their own grandchildren to prevent women's suffrage. Inspector Lastrade is a S. Asian - that's a funny name for a S. Asian. Doyle forgot to mention that one too. Enola's girls boarding school is a very multicultural place with lots of Indians, blacks and Chinese. Sherlock's brother Mycroft is a sexist pig who wants to keep Enola locked up there in order not the sully the family name. But, surprise, surprise she breaks free of his bonds and saves the day with her own martial arts skills, learned from her mother, whereby she takes on and defeats an armed 200lb. male!

    I have watched Nazi propaganda such as Jud Süß and I have to tell you that it has more subtlety and nuance and attention to historical accuracy and plausibility than this. At least they don't have people marching around with swastikas in 1738 and 110 lb. girls beating up muscular men. True to Orwell's prediction, the Left is not only rewriting our future, they are re-writing the past.

    Replies: @Graham, @Art Deco, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @S. Anonyia

  23. With that closing flourish, you could be English. Top hole, old bean. Made me hoot, what!

    • Replies: @Graham
    @Cortes

    "Top hole, old bean" . . . is a phrase used only by Americans trying to be funny. And 'twas ever thus. I'm not sure anybody this side of the pond ever used it in earnest. It may have been put into the mouth of a Wodehouse character. But Wodehouse spent decades of his career in the states and wrote at least partly for an American audience.

  24. @Buffalo Joe
    Years ago we would tear down a blast furnace while it was still hot, choking on ore dust and lung searing heat. Happy to be making the big bucks that came with the rebuild, working twelve hour days project start to finish, maybe a month straight. Exhaustion my ass. What an over used word especially from some one who probably has an assistant, a driver and a cook. (Didn't research that, but seems possible.)

    Replies: @Anon, @Clyde, @SimpleSong

    My no sarcasm reply is thanks for surviving all those insults to your lungs so that you can comment here. And continuing on for your extended family too. Much of life is continuity for family and enduring.

    “What you cannot cure, you must endure”

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Clyde

    Clyde, need a "Heartfelt Thanks" button.

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @Clyde
    @Clyde

    Thanks and btw my family was is sheet metal manufacturing in... NYC was full of light manufacturing/ But we knew the real gruesome guys were in heavy metal pouring. I still have stainless inch rulers
    (giveaways to us) from Bethlehem Steel circa 1970

  25. @Shaq
    Along those lines, more billionaire travails....

    https://twitter.com/linkedinflex/status/1314240198872641536?s=21

    Replies: @black sea, @SFG

    I have a feeling that even if his hedge fund tanks, he’ll be fine.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  26. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:

    Gotta assume Zuck cut her off. Funny to think of the vicious fights between two foulmouthed Zuckerbergs really going at it.

    “I can’t believe you shut us down you cheap ass motherfucker!”

    “Fuck you and your shitty yenta friends! I told you whores to start making money! Die you fucking leeches.”

    “I hate you and your small dick energy bullshit!”

    Etc

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous

    My theory is that Zuckerberg has his finger to the wind, and he's realized that a crazy leftist sister is not going to get him elected in 2024. I've noticed before that every time he tried to campaign, she immediately tried to get herself into the news. She's obviously jealous of all the attention he gets.

  27. @Morton's toes
    The bizarre thing about the latest round of kvetching is 538 says Biden is an 84-16 shot to win the election. 84-16. They have proved they are sore losers but they will probably be sore winners too if it should come to that. Where are all the anticipatory goosebumps? The counting of not-yet-hatched chickens?

    Oddsshark currently has Biden at P=.66.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @res, @El Dato

    It’s almost as if they know the polls are bullshit.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Stan Adams

    Last time Trump won, albeit narrowly, when his odds were 28.6%.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Winning with 16% odds sounds much more difficult, though not impossible. But Trump has run Casinos before; He knows a thing or two about gambling. October was good to him last time. He reached a trough of 12% around October 17-19 last time and recovered.

    Even if he loses, I think it will be marginal, like 1992, and not by a landslide, like 1980, as some are predicting.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Ragno

  28. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Translation:

    I was never serious enough about any of it. Lots and lots of hobbyists spend far more effort and time to generate output far more impressive than anything that was ever presented in Eidolon. But I thought that I am special and that my hobby can pay for my expensive San Francisco lifestyle. I was wrong. Good bye, cruel world.

  29. @Anonymous

    Hopefully, Donna can find some other useful outlet for her myriad talents, whatever they may be.
     
    What are some of her talents?

    Replies: @Ano, @Mr. Anon

    Hopefully, Donna can find some other useful outlet for her myriad talents, whatever they may be.

    What are some of her talents?

    Her only talent is having a rich brother.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mr. Anon


    Her only talent is having a rich brother.
     
    Her brother got into Harvard. Her parents are dentists. She must be talented. (HBD.)
    , @Art Deco
    @Mr. Anon

    She has a research degree, so she likely had some talent. (1) it wasn't enough to land her a paying job in her field and (2) the decadence of contemporary academe is such that one can wager her talents were never properly developed.

  30. Do those people read their own op-eds and believe what they read? How does that work??

    How can I read and think slowly and carefully when there’s no justice for the murderers of Breonna Taylor and countless others, and when the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg means that our judicial system will be even more an enemy of real justice in the future? How can I write coherent sentences when I think about the growing danger of an autocratic coup by the Trump administration?

    I guess the good thing in an autocratic coup by the Trump administration will be that the hundreds of thousands of people they want to kill (and Breonna Taylor) will already have died due to Coronavirus.

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @El Dato

    Get me rewrite.


    How can I read and think slowly and carefully when there’s no justice for the murderers of Breonna Taylor Tawana Brawley, Jussie Smollet, Althea Bernstein, and countless others, and when the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg means that our judicial system will be even more an enemy of real "real" justice in the future? How can I write coherent sentences? when I think about the growing danger of an autocratic coup projection by those who have been attempting an autocratic coup to overthrow the Trump administration.?
     
    , @sayless
    @El Dato

    It's hard to believe this hysteric studied Classics. She sounds like she's fifteen years old.

  31. @CCZ
    “Get Woke, Go Broke”?

    The online classics journal Eidolon (eidolon.pub) is a publication of Palimpsest Media LLC.

    “I’m thrilled to announce the launch of Palimpsest Media, the new home for Eidolon, idle musings, and, hopefully, additional publication ventures.” ( Donna Zuckerberg, https://eidolon.pub/eidolons-next-move-2093be1e80f2 )

    Palimpsest Media LLC., with 1 manager, Donna Zuckerberg:

    https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201716310447

    https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/SearchResults?SearchType=NUMBER&SearchCriteria=201716310447

    According to web traffic monitor keyfora, eidolon.pub reaches roughly 2,166 users per day and delivers about 64,971 users each month

    https://www.keyfora.com/site/eidolon.pub

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @Jack D

    Thanks, those are some interesting links. That keyfora site especially. I put in unz.com and of course it comes out much higher than eidolon.pub. If you look at country by country numbers after the U.S. the most visitors to unz.com originate from Indonesia! 3rd is Taiwan. I’ve never run across someone commenting at unz who was from Indonesia or claimed it. That’s just weird. I think the numbers below are per month.

    https://www.keyfora.com/site/unz.com

    Vistor via Country

    United States 1,186,131

    Indonesia 927,722

    Taiwan 301,662

    United Kingdom 267,836

    Brazil 242,328

    Nigeria 211,829

    Egypt 178,003

    Hong Kong 168,021

    Canada 168,021

    Australia 146,395

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @duncsbaby

    When I had a Blogspot account, Sweden stood out from non Five Eyes countrys as providing a lot of readers per capita, with maybe Finland second.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @duncsbaby

    Given the content of Unz.com, many readers are probably accessing through VPNs, for which East Asian nations are popular locations (technically acute, regulatorily loose).

    So it's probably not so much a case of Shy Javanese Syndrome (shy of commenting) as of Shy Silicon Valley Syndrome (shy of surveillance).

    Or maybe Ron's juicing the numbers with Jakartan click-farms.

    LOL, just kidding. Not only do I think too highly of Ron's integrity to believe that, I'm sure he wants to know honest numbers too.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @duncsbaby

    Here at Peak Stupidity, it's time for a case of beer! In yo' face!:


    peakstupidity.com reaches roughly 89,212 users per day and delivers about 2,676,363 users each month.
     
    We're gonna need a bigger boat server.

    .

    You made my day CCZ! (Too bad I'm quite aware these numbers are totally bogus.)

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @duncsbaby

    Maybe it's Twinkie's extended family! ;-)

    No offense meant Twinkie. I couldn't resist.

  32. @duncsbaby
    @CCZ

    Thanks, those are some interesting links. That keyfora site especially. I put in unz.com and of course it comes out much higher than eidolon.pub. If you look at country by country numbers after the U.S. the most visitors to unz.com originate from Indonesia! 3rd is Taiwan. I've never run across someone commenting at unz who was from Indonesia or claimed it. That's just weird. I think the numbers below are per month.

    https://www.keyfora.com/site/unz.com

    Vistor via Country

    United States 1,186,131

    Indonesia 927,722

    Taiwan 301,662

    United Kingdom 267,836

    Brazil 242,328

    Nigeria 211,829

    Egypt 178,003

    Hong Kong 168,021

    Canada 168,021

    Australia 146,395

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    When I had a Blogspot account, Sweden stood out from non Five Eyes countrys as providing a lot of readers per capita, with maybe Finland second.

  33. How can I spend my energy reading Greek and Latin when a pandemic has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans? How can I read and think slowly and carefully when there’s no justice for the murderers of Breonna Taylor and countless others, and when the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg means that our judicial system will be even more an enemy of real justice in the future? How can I write coherent sentences when I think about the growing danger of an autocratic coup by the Trump administration?

    You’d think her pursuits in the Classics would be a pleasant distraction from these other peoples’ problems while comfortably ensconced in lockdown in her walled and gated estate.

  34. @Kylie
    Ha! She thinks she, a white Classicist, is exhausted? Her exhaustion is as nothing compared to the exhaustion of those who occupy Black bodies. What next? A complaint that people want to touch the hair of a woman who reads Latin and Greek?

    I think she's indulging in grievance appropriation.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @TelfoedJohn

    That’s good, “grievance appropriation” especially.

    But I suspect she cannot read Latin or Greek.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    Is koine Greek difficult to learn for translation proficiency (difficult compared to, say, Bronze Age cuneiform script)? Purportedly the commie newsletter gadfly I.F. Stone taught himself how to read it — editorialists were less “exhaustible” back then, I guess — but Bible study folks often give over hours at a time to Greek and Hebrew etymology. How long do you have to do that before you’ve picked up enough to read a 100-200 word passage?

  35. Donna—disempowered,
    She locked up shop,
    and glowered.

    Exhausted, she
    glared down
    to see,

    Breonna, plague,
    Trump arisen,
    all conspiring with precision—

    to give her a ready-made shit excuse to shut down a vanity magazine that no one really cared about and take some quality chill time on Corfu, with, hat’s off to Buffalo Joe, her personal assistant(s).

  36. @duncsbaby
    @CCZ

    Thanks, those are some interesting links. That keyfora site especially. I put in unz.com and of course it comes out much higher than eidolon.pub. If you look at country by country numbers after the U.S. the most visitors to unz.com originate from Indonesia! 3rd is Taiwan. I've never run across someone commenting at unz who was from Indonesia or claimed it. That's just weird. I think the numbers below are per month.

    https://www.keyfora.com/site/unz.com

    Vistor via Country

    United States 1,186,131

    Indonesia 927,722

    Taiwan 301,662

    United Kingdom 267,836

    Brazil 242,328

    Nigeria 211,829

    Egypt 178,003

    Hong Kong 168,021

    Canada 168,021

    Australia 146,395

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    Given the content of Unz.com, many readers are probably accessing through VPNs, for which East Asian nations are popular locations (technically acute, regulatorily loose).

    So it’s probably not so much a case of Shy Javanese Syndrome (shy of commenting) as of Shy Silicon Valley Syndrome (shy of surveillance).

    Or maybe Ron’s juicing the numbers with Jakartan click-farms.

    LOL, just kidding. Not only do I think too highly of Ron’s integrity to believe that, I’m sure he wants to know honest numbers too.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    Not that neo-noir cyberpunkers and Wachowski brother-sisters haven’t already merchandised it to death, but— the landmine paradox of the “connected global village” is that anybody can be “from” wherever he wants

  37. How can I write coherent sentences when I think about the growing danger of an autocratic coup by the Trump administration?

    As if Trump is going to put Antifa in camps and torture the leaders, and have Hillary Clinton, Comey, Brennan and Schiff shot???

    LOL, I wish…

  38. One less source for finalists in the “bad writing contest” whose winners get published once a year.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    "It was a dark and stormy night ..."

    https://www.bulwer-lytton.com/

  39. There’s something weird about leftists and in particular women and their “exhaustion”. How “exhausting” can it be to publish an online magazine funded by your zillionaire brother.

    How can I spend my energy reading Greek and Latin when a pandemic has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans?

    I would think that a pandemic with a lockdown would give one more time to stay at home reading the classics…

    How can I write coherent sentences when I think about the growing danger of an autocratic coup by the Trump administration?

    Lots of philosophers have lived and worked under much more despotic governments… Somehow it didn’t rob them of the ability to write coherent sentences…

    But now I wonder if Socrates also felt “emotionally exhaust” and that’s why he decided to take the hemlock.

  40. Huh, so there’s no market for a Classics magazine for people who hate the Classics?

    Who knew?

    • LOL: sayless
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Almost Missouri

    (Chuckle.)

  41. @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous



    Hopefully, Donna can find some other useful outlet for her myriad talents, whatever they may be.
     
    What are some of her talents?
     
    Her only talent is having a rich brother.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco

    Her only talent is having a rich brother.

    Her brother got into Harvard. Her parents are dentists. She must be talented. (HBD.)

  42. @Anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    Exactly right. My mother got a bricklayer job at Bethlehem Steel in the first days of women’s lib in the early 70’s. Rebuilding “soaking pits” while still warm, brick-lined cells where steel ingots were kept hot with gas jets awaiting forging. The brick walls could and did collapse when cooled, endangering lives. Climbing 300-foot chimneys for repairs. Our progeny and new immigrants (except for the Mexicans) are pussies compared to her.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    TwoThreeSeven, good for your Mom. Bricklayers in steel mills relined all the “hot’ vessels with refractory brick. The vessel, whether a black furnace, s soaking pit or the “stoves” were all rebuilt while hot. Tough job.

  43. @Clyde
    @Buffalo Joe

    My no sarcasm reply is thanks for surviving all those insults to your lungs so that you can comment here. And continuing on for your extended family too. Much of life is continuity for family and enduring.

    "What you cannot cure, you must endure"

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Clyde

    Clyde, need a “Heartfelt Thanks” button.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Buffalo Joe

    Thanks and btw my family was is sheet metal manufacturing in... NYC was full of light manufacturing/ But we knew the real gruesome guys were in heavy metal pouring. I still have stainless inch rulers
    (giveaways to us) from Bethlehem Steel circa 1970

  44. The family dynamics of the über-rich have always fascinated me. While Madonna Ciccone is obviously orders of magnitude poorer than Mark Zuckerberg, she still could easily afford to give her brother 100k, 200k, even a million dollars a year without affecting her lifestyle at all. But last I heard, her brother was literally homeless in Traverse City. And my sister met their dad once at the vineyard he owns: Ciccone Vineyard. She speaks fluent Italian and he was happy to speak to her in Italian until she brought up his wayward daughter, at which point he walked away in anger.

    So yeah, I wonder what kind of relationship Mark and Donna have, and if he does or would give her any money at all. I wouldn’t assume such things for a second.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @AndrewR


    In 2009, TripAdvisor named Traverse City the number two small town travel destination in the United States.[11] In 2012, the city was listed among the 10 best places to retire in the country by U.S. News & World Report.[12]
     
    I suppose it must be OK so long as you're not living in a tent.
    Hey, is he living in a tent?
  45. And just like that, Western Civilization got a tiny little bit better. A victory!

    Except today will likely see another thousand defeats.

  46. @Anon
    Can anyone even imagine how many readers they must have? I could see it being under 1000, perhaps even less than 100.

    Still it probably wields considerable power, if they can put forward a frame for how future media about ancient Greece and Rome could be made leftist.

    One idea I've actually had for that is to make a movie about the Peloponnesian War where the spartans are all-white (and are an obvious stand-in for white people) and Athens is obviously mixed-race and leftist. It's an extremely dumb idea but I feel like there's a decent chance it could happen.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Well, in much more recent times, an alliance led by a warlike, über-Aryan nation lost in large part due to a multiracial democracy. I would much rather watch an alternate history where the Axis won than some sort of “Hamilton” type permutation of an ancient war that has almost no relevance to the modern day. And to the extent the Peloponnesian War does have modern relevance, there is no need to make Athens multiracial. You don’t need racial diversity to criticize democracy.

  47. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Roger

    She made the shocking discovery that the Greeks and Romans (and Celts and Arabs and Thracians and Scythians and everybody else) took slaves who were white, and thus the moral monopoly of slabery victimhood for POCs was unsustainable. If everybody on earth has forebears who were slabes (and they do), then honestly, what's the point of the grift?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    While, over the last 60 years, the US has repaid, many times over, whatever debts were owed to black slaves and their descendants, it’s highly dishonest to pretend that the racial conflict in the US has anything to do with a “moral monopoly.”

    “But slavery wasn’t only practiced in the US” is a bizarre and irrelevant response to the claims of the “progressives,” who argue, rightly or wrongly, that the legacy of US slavery (and segregation, and redlining etc) still harms American blacks today.

    If someone came up to you and accused you of stealing from them, would you respond by saying “a thousand years ago some Chinese guy stole from another Chinese guy therefore I don’t owe you anything”? Beyond absurd.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @AndrewR

    "it’s highly dishonest"

    No, it isn't.

    “'But slavery wasn’t only practiced in the US' is a bizarre and irrelevant response"

    It is the absolutely correct response.

    "If someone came up to you and accused you of stealing from them..."

    If someone claims that you owe him because your great-great-great-grandfather allegedly stole from his great-great-great-grandfather, then that is as good a response as any other, though "Go to hell!" is more succinct.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @AndrewR

  48. @El Dato
    Do those people read their own op-eds and believe what they read? How does that work??

    How can I read and think slowly and carefully when there’s no justice for the murderers of Breonna Taylor and countless others, and when the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg means that our judicial system will be even more an enemy of real justice in the future? How can I write coherent sentences when I think about the growing danger of an autocratic coup by the Trump administration?
     
    I guess the good thing in an autocratic coup by the Trump administration will be that the hundreds of thousands of people they want to kill (and Breonna Taylor) will already have died due to Coronavirus.

    Replies: @ic1000, @sayless

    Get me rewrite.

    How can I read and think slowly and carefully when there’s no justice for the murderers of Breonna Taylor Tawana Brawley, Jussie Smollet, Althea Bernstein, and countless others, and when the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg means that our judicial system will be even more an enemy of real “real” justice in the future? How can I write coherent sentences? when I think about the growing danger of an autocratic coup projection by those who have been attempting an autocratic coup to overthrow the Trump administration.?

    • LOL: El Dato
  49. I feel she belongs to that category of people who are always miserable. Nothing “deep”, let alone tragic about it.

    Petty souls.

  50. There are hardly any photos of her below the shoulders. She’s a fat chick whose face photographs thin. I did a double take when I Google-Image Searched her and scrolled down a bit.

  51. @International Jew
    Maybe she saw no more point in "disrupting" classics from the outside, now that university classics departments have gone woke:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan-el_Padilla_Peralta

    Replies: @Beavertales

    “Maybe she saw no more point in “disrupting” classics from the outside, now that university classics departments have gone woke.”

    Others in the establishment are doing it more effectively from the inside, including publishing, and they’re doing it with tenure. If she lands a position in academia, she’ll go right back to ‘disrupting’.

  52. So if a tree falls in the forest and no one is near does it even make a noise?

  53. @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous



    Hopefully, Donna can find some other useful outlet for her myriad talents, whatever they may be.
     
    What are some of her talents?
     
    Her only talent is having a rich brother.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Art Deco

    She has a research degree, so she likely had some talent. (1) it wasn’t enough to land her a paying job in her field and (2) the decadence of contemporary academe is such that one can wager her talents were never properly developed.

  54. @Stan Adams
    @Morton's toes

    It's almost as if they know the polls are bullshit.

    Replies: @epebble

    Last time Trump won, albeit narrowly, when his odds were 28.6%.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Winning with 16% odds sounds much more difficult, though not impossible. But Trump has run Casinos before; He knows a thing or two about gambling. October was good to him last time. He reached a trough of 12% around October 17-19 last time and recovered.

    Even if he loses, I think it will be marginal, like 1992, and not by a landslide, like 1980, as some are predicting.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @epebble


    October was good to him last time.
     
    Did you see the Bannon interview where he claimed he made the boldest stroke by far (he stopped short of saying he single handedly clinched the election) when he brought the Bill Clinton sex rudeness / sex crime victimes (Paula Jones et al) to sit in the front row of the debate three days after the pussy grab audio was broadcast?

    1. I would not have believed Bannon would say that if I hadn't seen it.
    2. The Donald doesn't have the guy managing his campaign this time and he is probably smarter than most of the guys he has now.
    , @Ragno
    @epebble

    Last time, people didn't wake up to find screaming defectives on their front porch for vocalizing the wrong opinions - if not assaulted on the spot for speaking.

    Also? Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I think the hard-working, rule-following taxpayers whom the Democrats gleefully bankrupted this year - and then gave violent mobs the relax, nobody's going to jail thumbs up for destroying whatever was left standing, while those betrayed citizens were hanging on by their thumbs..... well, I know we Americans are a shallow people, but I don't think those folks are likely to forget all of that happened in two or three months.

    Don't think in terms of silent majorities.....think more in terms of guerilla voting blocs. If the four years of the Trump administration have proven one thing beyond any shadow of a doubt, it's that the Democrats are dangerously unfit to govern this country. The GOP might be gladhanding, largely-impotent buffoons, but they're not the looting, rioting subhumans burning our country to ashes.

    So I think any responses to a political poll in 2020 can be safely discounted.

  55. @CCZ
    “Get Woke, Go Broke”?

    The online classics journal Eidolon (eidolon.pub) is a publication of Palimpsest Media LLC.

    “I’m thrilled to announce the launch of Palimpsest Media, the new home for Eidolon, idle musings, and, hopefully, additional publication ventures.” ( Donna Zuckerberg, https://eidolon.pub/eidolons-next-move-2093be1e80f2 )

    Palimpsest Media LLC., with 1 manager, Donna Zuckerberg:

    https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/201716310447

    https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/SearchResults?SearchType=NUMBER&SearchCriteria=201716310447

    According to web traffic monitor keyfora, eidolon.pub reaches roughly 2,166 users per day and delivers about 64,971 users each month

    https://www.keyfora.com/site/eidolon.pub

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @Jack D

    This link gives Eidolon’s most popular articles:

    https://eidolon.pub/eidolon-s-most-popular-articles-63b4bb03efc9

    A number of them seem to have a certain focus:

    Dick Pics, Ancient and Modern

    Emanscapation: Between the Public and the Pubic in Ancient Greece

    The Measure of a Man: Minor Classical Phalluses, Major Modern Fragility

    Hmm, paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.

    However, other current topics are also give due attention:

    How to Be a Good Classicist Under a Bad Emperor

    What Women (Don’t) Want: Tiresias on Female Pleasure

    The Body in Question: Looking At Non-Binary Gender in the Greek and Roman World

    Why Students of Color Don’t Take Latin

    For a journal of classics, it seems to me that Eidolon has a lot more to do with the (Leftist, feminist) obsessions of 2020 AD than anything relating to the classical period.

    This is very much in keeping with the current retconning of history. I’ve watched a fair amount of TV during the current lockup. One series I watched was the new Perry Mason. Many of the familiar characters were recast in a new light and new ones added. Della Street is now a lesbian. Paul Drake is a noble black ex-cop. Perry has a neighbor/friend with benefits who is a wise Latina pilot/airfield entrepreneur.

    Then I watched “Enola Holmes” – she is the spunky younger sister of Sherlock that Conan Doyle forgot to mention. It turns out that Sherlock’s mom is a suffragette bomber. She has a friend who is a female African martial arts ninja who could whup Sherlock’s ass if given the chance. The anti-suffragists are willing to murder their own grandchildren to prevent women’s suffrage. Inspector Lastrade is a S. Asian – that’s a funny name for a S. Asian. Doyle forgot to mention that one too. Enola’s girls boarding school is a very multicultural place with lots of Indians, blacks and Chinese. Sherlock’s brother Mycroft is a sexist pig who wants to keep Enola locked up there in order not the sully the family name. But, surprise, surprise she breaks free of his bonds and saves the day with her own martial arts skills, learned from her mother, whereby she takes on and defeats an armed 200lb. male!

    I have watched Nazi propaganda such as Jud Süß and I have to tell you that it has more subtlety and nuance and attention to historical accuracy and plausibility than this. At least they don’t have people marching around with swastikas in 1738 and 110 lb. girls beating up muscular men. True to Orwell’s prediction, the Left is not only rewriting our future, they are re-writing the past.

    • Replies: @Graham
    @Jack D

    "110 lb. girls beating up muscular men" - that all started with Lisbeth Salander (possibly channelling Pippi Långstrump) in the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo series, which was insanely PC for its time. Stieg Larsson died in 2004 but would have fitted in fine with our wonderful new woke world.

    , @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    It's possible she was never hired anywhere because classics remains a serious humanistic discipline most places which can afford a department, and she's a thoroughly unserious person.

    Replies: @black sea

    , @nebulafox
    @Jack D

    >Hmm, paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.

    Ah, man, she's just a size queen who needs to get laid. You don't need to be a shrink to figure that out.

    , @El Dato
    @Jack D


    Why Students of Color Don’t Take Latin
     
    I don't know what kind of sexual practice this denotes.
    , @S. Anonyia
    @Jack D

    Regarding your 2 last paragraphs:

    Why do they always retcon existing works instead of creating their own where all of the diversity actually makes sense?

    There are hundreds of thousands of authors worldwide with more talent and originality than tv/movie writers.

  56. The past six months have sapped my emotional reserves and put extraordinary demands on my time and energy, and my work has suffered as a result. I didn’t feel that I could handle this job and my other responsibilities.

    Other responsibilities“…?

    But I kid, I kid. In fact, as I assume the toxic Ms. Z experienced a light bulb in a thought balloon after reading the many recent accounts of Boy George co-opting American justice via the bankrolling of Bolsheviks in high-ranking law enforcement positions, I have no doubt we will all be howling bring back Eidolon! soon enough.

  57. @Buffalo Joe
    Years ago we would tear down a blast furnace while it was still hot, choking on ore dust and lung searing heat. Happy to be making the big bucks that came with the rebuild, working twelve hour days project start to finish, maybe a month straight. Exhaustion my ass. What an over used word especially from some one who probably has an assistant, a driver and a cook. (Didn't research that, but seems possible.)

    Replies: @Anon, @Clyde, @SimpleSong

    Also–thanks for building the modern friggin’ world. I’m sitting here on my steel (and wood) chair, after having taken a trip in my personal mobile steel box, etc.

    One of the most infuriating things to me about the last 50 years is the way we handled the issues that came with industrialization. There was/is most definitely real danger and a real human cost, both to the workers themselves and to the general public in the form of pollution. We could have incrementally improved things to reduce those human costs, which would have required ingenuity and hard work, but instead we decided to outsource industry so the financial/managerial class could make an easy buck.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @SimpleSong

    Sim, thank you for the reply and it is a good comment. The steel industry, whether steel mills or foundries, employed tens of thousands of black men and paid good money. The loss of those jobs hurt the black community.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  58. @Cortes
    With that closing flourish, you could be English. Top hole, old bean. Made me hoot, what!

    Replies: @Graham

    “Top hole, old bean” . . . is a phrase used only by Americans trying to be funny. And ’twas ever thus. I’m not sure anybody this side of the pond ever used it in earnest. It may have been put into the mouth of a Wodehouse character. But Wodehouse spent decades of his career in the states and wrote at least partly for an American audience.

  59. @Roger
    There must be more to the story, as someone else could have taken over.

    Did her funding dry up? Was that brother Mark? Or did she decide that anything promoting the Classics necessarily also furthers White supremacy, the Patriarchy, and xenophobia?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @AnotherDad

    There must be more to the story, as someone else could have taken over.

    Her wiki says she’s married with a couple kids.

    My bet: she was tired of doing it and wanted to spend more time on her own kids. This is, of course, what most women want to do–and should be doing. So i congratulate her on her good sense.

    But she can’t just say that–at least not directly; it’s “other responsibilities” No we must get all sorts of minoritarian weep and moan about us cossacks burning villages or something.

    Just shut up and go be a mom, Donna.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @AnotherDad

    Her husband at one time worked for Google, perhaps still does. She wasn't bringing in any income with the publication and she's likely dead meat as far as academic classics departments are concerned. Continuing to publish the journal was a hobby, a hobby which doesn't do anyone or any thing much good.

  60. @Jack D
    @CCZ

    This link gives Eidolon's most popular articles:

    https://eidolon.pub/eidolon-s-most-popular-articles-63b4bb03efc9

    A number of them seem to have a certain focus:

    Dick Pics, Ancient and Modern

    Emanscapation: Between the Public and the Pubic in Ancient Greece

    The Measure of a Man: Minor Classical Phalluses, Major Modern Fragility

    Hmm, paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.

    However, other current topics are also give due attention:

    How to Be a Good Classicist Under a Bad Emperor

    What Women (Don’t) Want: Tiresias on Female Pleasure

    The Body in Question: Looking At Non-Binary Gender in the Greek and Roman World

    Why Students of Color Don’t Take Latin

    For a journal of classics, it seems to me that Eidolon has a lot more to do with the (Leftist, feminist) obsessions of 2020 AD than anything relating to the classical period.

    This is very much in keeping with the current retconning of history. I've watched a fair amount of TV during the current lockup. One series I watched was the new Perry Mason. Many of the familiar characters were recast in a new light and new ones added. Della Street is now a lesbian. Paul Drake is a noble black ex-cop. Perry has a neighbor/friend with benefits who is a wise Latina pilot/airfield entrepreneur.

    Then I watched "Enola Holmes" - she is the spunky younger sister of Sherlock that Conan Doyle forgot to mention. It turns out that Sherlock's mom is a suffragette bomber. She has a friend who is a female African martial arts ninja who could whup Sherlock's ass if given the chance. The anti-suffragists are willing to murder their own grandchildren to prevent women's suffrage. Inspector Lastrade is a S. Asian - that's a funny name for a S. Asian. Doyle forgot to mention that one too. Enola's girls boarding school is a very multicultural place with lots of Indians, blacks and Chinese. Sherlock's brother Mycroft is a sexist pig who wants to keep Enola locked up there in order not the sully the family name. But, surprise, surprise she breaks free of his bonds and saves the day with her own martial arts skills, learned from her mother, whereby she takes on and defeats an armed 200lb. male!

    I have watched Nazi propaganda such as Jud Süß and I have to tell you that it has more subtlety and nuance and attention to historical accuracy and plausibility than this. At least they don't have people marching around with swastikas in 1738 and 110 lb. girls beating up muscular men. True to Orwell's prediction, the Left is not only rewriting our future, they are re-writing the past.

    Replies: @Graham, @Art Deco, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @S. Anonyia

    “110 lb. girls beating up muscular men” – that all started with Lisbeth Salander (possibly channelling Pippi Långstrump) in the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo series, which was insanely PC for its time. Stieg Larsson died in 2004 but would have fitted in fine with our wonderful new woke world.

  61. @Morton's toes
    The bizarre thing about the latest round of kvetching is 538 says Biden is an 84-16 shot to win the election. 84-16. They have proved they are sore losers but they will probably be sore winners too if it should come to that. Where are all the anticipatory goosebumps? The counting of not-yet-hatched chickens?

    Oddsshark currently has Biden at P=.66.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @res, @El Dato

    It is now 85-15.
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

    Four years ago today they had it as 82-18 for Hillary.
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    It is interesting how little variation there has been in the 2020 forecast compared to 2016.

  62. @Jack D
    @CCZ

    This link gives Eidolon's most popular articles:

    https://eidolon.pub/eidolon-s-most-popular-articles-63b4bb03efc9

    A number of them seem to have a certain focus:

    Dick Pics, Ancient and Modern

    Emanscapation: Between the Public and the Pubic in Ancient Greece

    The Measure of a Man: Minor Classical Phalluses, Major Modern Fragility

    Hmm, paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.

    However, other current topics are also give due attention:

    How to Be a Good Classicist Under a Bad Emperor

    What Women (Don’t) Want: Tiresias on Female Pleasure

    The Body in Question: Looking At Non-Binary Gender in the Greek and Roman World

    Why Students of Color Don’t Take Latin

    For a journal of classics, it seems to me that Eidolon has a lot more to do with the (Leftist, feminist) obsessions of 2020 AD than anything relating to the classical period.

    This is very much in keeping with the current retconning of history. I've watched a fair amount of TV during the current lockup. One series I watched was the new Perry Mason. Many of the familiar characters were recast in a new light and new ones added. Della Street is now a lesbian. Paul Drake is a noble black ex-cop. Perry has a neighbor/friend with benefits who is a wise Latina pilot/airfield entrepreneur.

    Then I watched "Enola Holmes" - she is the spunky younger sister of Sherlock that Conan Doyle forgot to mention. It turns out that Sherlock's mom is a suffragette bomber. She has a friend who is a female African martial arts ninja who could whup Sherlock's ass if given the chance. The anti-suffragists are willing to murder their own grandchildren to prevent women's suffrage. Inspector Lastrade is a S. Asian - that's a funny name for a S. Asian. Doyle forgot to mention that one too. Enola's girls boarding school is a very multicultural place with lots of Indians, blacks and Chinese. Sherlock's brother Mycroft is a sexist pig who wants to keep Enola locked up there in order not the sully the family name. But, surprise, surprise she breaks free of his bonds and saves the day with her own martial arts skills, learned from her mother, whereby she takes on and defeats an armed 200lb. male!

    I have watched Nazi propaganda such as Jud Süß and I have to tell you that it has more subtlety and nuance and attention to historical accuracy and plausibility than this. At least they don't have people marching around with swastikas in 1738 and 110 lb. girls beating up muscular men. True to Orwell's prediction, the Left is not only rewriting our future, they are re-writing the past.

    Replies: @Graham, @Art Deco, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @S. Anonyia

    It’s possible she was never hired anywhere because classics remains a serious humanistic discipline most places which can afford a department, and she’s a thoroughly unserious person.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Art Deco

    Her brother should found a university where she can secure a job in her field.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Jack D

  63. @Jack D
    @CCZ

    This link gives Eidolon's most popular articles:

    https://eidolon.pub/eidolon-s-most-popular-articles-63b4bb03efc9

    A number of them seem to have a certain focus:

    Dick Pics, Ancient and Modern

    Emanscapation: Between the Public and the Pubic in Ancient Greece

    The Measure of a Man: Minor Classical Phalluses, Major Modern Fragility

    Hmm, paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.

    However, other current topics are also give due attention:

    How to Be a Good Classicist Under a Bad Emperor

    What Women (Don’t) Want: Tiresias on Female Pleasure

    The Body in Question: Looking At Non-Binary Gender in the Greek and Roman World

    Why Students of Color Don’t Take Latin

    For a journal of classics, it seems to me that Eidolon has a lot more to do with the (Leftist, feminist) obsessions of 2020 AD than anything relating to the classical period.

    This is very much in keeping with the current retconning of history. I've watched a fair amount of TV during the current lockup. One series I watched was the new Perry Mason. Many of the familiar characters were recast in a new light and new ones added. Della Street is now a lesbian. Paul Drake is a noble black ex-cop. Perry has a neighbor/friend with benefits who is a wise Latina pilot/airfield entrepreneur.

    Then I watched "Enola Holmes" - she is the spunky younger sister of Sherlock that Conan Doyle forgot to mention. It turns out that Sherlock's mom is a suffragette bomber. She has a friend who is a female African martial arts ninja who could whup Sherlock's ass if given the chance. The anti-suffragists are willing to murder their own grandchildren to prevent women's suffrage. Inspector Lastrade is a S. Asian - that's a funny name for a S. Asian. Doyle forgot to mention that one too. Enola's girls boarding school is a very multicultural place with lots of Indians, blacks and Chinese. Sherlock's brother Mycroft is a sexist pig who wants to keep Enola locked up there in order not the sully the family name. But, surprise, surprise she breaks free of his bonds and saves the day with her own martial arts skills, learned from her mother, whereby she takes on and defeats an armed 200lb. male!

    I have watched Nazi propaganda such as Jud Süß and I have to tell you that it has more subtlety and nuance and attention to historical accuracy and plausibility than this. At least they don't have people marching around with swastikas in 1738 and 110 lb. girls beating up muscular men. True to Orwell's prediction, the Left is not only rewriting our future, they are re-writing the past.

    Replies: @Graham, @Art Deco, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @S. Anonyia

    >Hmm, paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.

    Ah, man, she’s just a size queen who needs to get laid. You don’t need to be a shrink to figure that out.

  64. “How can I spend my energy reading Greek and Latin when a pandemic has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans?” Actually it’s a great thing to do during the absurd and tyrannical lockdown, and the facilities are so much better. What I mean is that I did classical Greek at school and was rather crap at it, and screwed up my exams, but this year, after four decades, I took it up again and am making huge progress, not because my IQ has increased (I’m sure it has gone down) or I have become more focused, but because the material available for free on the internet is of such high quality. Just a single example: Geoffrey Steadman (https://geoffreysteadman.com), a classics teacher at a high school in Cincinnati, has written a series of high-quality textbooks for various Greek and Latin works, giving texts with vocabulary and commentary on the facing pages. I’ve had great help and learnt a lot using his books on the Odyssey, Anabasis and Antigone. These books are available as free downloads or cheap print-on-demand paperbacks. The enjoyment and study of the classics moves on without the assistance of our new proscriptive and hypocritical masters.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Graham

    Thanks for the reference!

  65. @AnotherDad
    @Roger


    There must be more to the story, as someone else could have taken over.
     
    Her wiki says she's married with a couple kids.

    My bet: she was tired of doing it and wanted to spend more time on her own kids. This is, of course, what most women want to do--and should be doing. So i congratulate her on her good sense.

    But she can't just say that--at least not directly; it's "other responsibilities" No we must get all sorts of minoritarian weep and moan about us cossacks burning villages or something.

    Just shut up and go be a mom, Donna.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Her husband at one time worked for Google, perhaps still does. She wasn’t bringing in any income with the publication and she’s likely dead meat as far as academic classics departments are concerned. Continuing to publish the journal was a hobby, a hobby which doesn’t do anyone or any thing much good.

  66. @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    It's possible she was never hired anywhere because classics remains a serious humanistic discipline most places which can afford a department, and she's a thoroughly unserious person.

    Replies: @black sea

    Her brother should found a university where she can secure a job in her field.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @black sea

    EASILY DONE!

    , @Jack D
    @black sea

    It's true that at one time really rich guys (Stanford, Carnegie, Mellon, Duke, Rice, etc.) either founded universities while still living or left bequests for them in their wills. However, I think the university market in the US is now a mature one and there is little room for new entrants.

    OTOH, one could have said that about the auto industry too, but Tesla has carved out a valuable niche. The key is not to do more of whatever everyone else is doing but to really shake things up. In the case of Zuck, the obvious thing would be to found an online university that promises to offer a better level and quality of education, networking, etc. than the current top universities (and one that would be accepted as an equally prestigious credential) but at a lower cost.

    As a virtual university, they would not be limited by the # of dorm beds. Harvard, MIT, Stanford, etc. are currently turning away up to 95% of their potential customers. If you are a hot club, you WANT to turn away some customers - this only increases your cachet among those who get past the bouncers. But turning away 19 out of 20 is ridiculous - they are leaving tons of $ on the table.

    Right now is a good time to shake things up because most of the traditional universities are not currently offering their traditional campus experience but are still charging traditional prices.

    Replies: @JMcG

  67. @black sea
    @Art Deco

    Her brother should found a university where she can secure a job in her field.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Jack D

    EASILY DONE!

  68. @PSR
    Wow! Talk about lack of self-awareness. This woman is practically on another planet.

    Replies: @Currahee, @Muggles

    Marie Antoinette.

  69. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @Kylie

    That's good, "grievance appropriation" especially.

    But I suspect she cannot read Latin or Greek.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Is koine Greek difficult to learn for translation proficiency (difficult compared to, say, Bronze Age cuneiform script)? Purportedly the commie newsletter gadfly I.F. Stone taught himself how to read it — editorialists were less “exhaustible” back then, I guess — but Bible study folks often give over hours at a time to Greek and Hebrew etymology. How long do you have to do that before you’ve picked up enough to read a 100-200 word passage?

  70. @black sea
    @Art Deco

    Her brother should found a university where she can secure a job in her field.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Jack D

    It’s true that at one time really rich guys (Stanford, Carnegie, Mellon, Duke, Rice, etc.) either founded universities while still living or left bequests for them in their wills. However, I think the university market in the US is now a mature one and there is little room for new entrants.

    OTOH, one could have said that about the auto industry too, but Tesla has carved out a valuable niche. The key is not to do more of whatever everyone else is doing but to really shake things up. In the case of Zuck, the obvious thing would be to found an online university that promises to offer a better level and quality of education, networking, etc. than the current top universities (and one that would be accepted as an equally prestigious credential) but at a lower cost.

    As a virtual university, they would not be limited by the # of dorm beds. Harvard, MIT, Stanford, etc. are currently turning away up to 95% of their potential customers. If you are a hot club, you WANT to turn away some customers – this only increases your cachet among those who get past the bouncers. But turning away 19 out of 20 is ridiculous – they are leaving tons of $ on the table.

    Right now is a good time to shake things up because most of the traditional universities are not currently offering their traditional campus experience but are still charging traditional prices.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Jack D

    Jack, with tens of billions in endowments Harvard couldn’t care less about tuition income. They are in the business of changing the direction of this country and they are doing a hell of a job at it.

  71. @Almost Missouri
    @duncsbaby

    Given the content of Unz.com, many readers are probably accessing through VPNs, for which East Asian nations are popular locations (technically acute, regulatorily loose).

    So it's probably not so much a case of Shy Javanese Syndrome (shy of commenting) as of Shy Silicon Valley Syndrome (shy of surveillance).

    Or maybe Ron's juicing the numbers with Jakartan click-farms.

    LOL, just kidding. Not only do I think too highly of Ron's integrity to believe that, I'm sure he wants to know honest numbers too.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Not that neo-noir cyberpunkers and Wachowski brother-sisters haven’t already merchandised it to death, but— the landmine paradox of the “connected global village” is that anybody can be “from” wherever he wants

  72. @Jack D
    @CCZ

    This link gives Eidolon's most popular articles:

    https://eidolon.pub/eidolon-s-most-popular-articles-63b4bb03efc9

    A number of them seem to have a certain focus:

    Dick Pics, Ancient and Modern

    Emanscapation: Between the Public and the Pubic in Ancient Greece

    The Measure of a Man: Minor Classical Phalluses, Major Modern Fragility

    Hmm, paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.

    However, other current topics are also give due attention:

    How to Be a Good Classicist Under a Bad Emperor

    What Women (Don’t) Want: Tiresias on Female Pleasure

    The Body in Question: Looking At Non-Binary Gender in the Greek and Roman World

    Why Students of Color Don’t Take Latin

    For a journal of classics, it seems to me that Eidolon has a lot more to do with the (Leftist, feminist) obsessions of 2020 AD than anything relating to the classical period.

    This is very much in keeping with the current retconning of history. I've watched a fair amount of TV during the current lockup. One series I watched was the new Perry Mason. Many of the familiar characters were recast in a new light and new ones added. Della Street is now a lesbian. Paul Drake is a noble black ex-cop. Perry has a neighbor/friend with benefits who is a wise Latina pilot/airfield entrepreneur.

    Then I watched "Enola Holmes" - she is the spunky younger sister of Sherlock that Conan Doyle forgot to mention. It turns out that Sherlock's mom is a suffragette bomber. She has a friend who is a female African martial arts ninja who could whup Sherlock's ass if given the chance. The anti-suffragists are willing to murder their own grandchildren to prevent women's suffrage. Inspector Lastrade is a S. Asian - that's a funny name for a S. Asian. Doyle forgot to mention that one too. Enola's girls boarding school is a very multicultural place with lots of Indians, blacks and Chinese. Sherlock's brother Mycroft is a sexist pig who wants to keep Enola locked up there in order not the sully the family name. But, surprise, surprise she breaks free of his bonds and saves the day with her own martial arts skills, learned from her mother, whereby she takes on and defeats an armed 200lb. male!

    I have watched Nazi propaganda such as Jud Süß and I have to tell you that it has more subtlety and nuance and attention to historical accuracy and plausibility than this. At least they don't have people marching around with swastikas in 1738 and 110 lb. girls beating up muscular men. True to Orwell's prediction, the Left is not only rewriting our future, they are re-writing the past.

    Replies: @Graham, @Art Deco, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @S. Anonyia

    Why Students of Color Don’t Take Latin

    I don’t know what kind of sexual practice this denotes.

  73. @SimpleSong
    @Buffalo Joe

    Also--thanks for building the modern friggin' world. I'm sitting here on my steel (and wood) chair, after having taken a trip in my personal mobile steel box, etc.

    One of the most infuriating things to me about the last 50 years is the way we handled the issues that came with industrialization. There was/is most definitely real danger and a real human cost, both to the workers themselves and to the general public in the form of pollution. We could have incrementally improved things to reduce those human costs, which would have required ingenuity and hard work, but instead we decided to outsource industry so the financial/managerial class could make an easy buck.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Sim, thank you for the reply and it is a good comment. The steel industry, whether steel mills or foundries, employed tens of thousands of black men and paid good money. The loss of those jobs hurt the black community.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Buffalo Joe

    I'm unfamiliar with the situation re the steel industry, beyond the 1970s Japanese practice of dumping their steel on the American market at below market prices, but my understanding is that blacks chased the auto industry out of Detroit, through their constant violent and property crime.

  74. @Jack D
    @CCZ

    This link gives Eidolon's most popular articles:

    https://eidolon.pub/eidolon-s-most-popular-articles-63b4bb03efc9

    A number of them seem to have a certain focus:

    Dick Pics, Ancient and Modern

    Emanscapation: Between the Public and the Pubic in Ancient Greece

    The Measure of a Man: Minor Classical Phalluses, Major Modern Fragility

    Hmm, paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud.

    However, other current topics are also give due attention:

    How to Be a Good Classicist Under a Bad Emperor

    What Women (Don’t) Want: Tiresias on Female Pleasure

    The Body in Question: Looking At Non-Binary Gender in the Greek and Roman World

    Why Students of Color Don’t Take Latin

    For a journal of classics, it seems to me that Eidolon has a lot more to do with the (Leftist, feminist) obsessions of 2020 AD than anything relating to the classical period.

    This is very much in keeping with the current retconning of history. I've watched a fair amount of TV during the current lockup. One series I watched was the new Perry Mason. Many of the familiar characters were recast in a new light and new ones added. Della Street is now a lesbian. Paul Drake is a noble black ex-cop. Perry has a neighbor/friend with benefits who is a wise Latina pilot/airfield entrepreneur.

    Then I watched "Enola Holmes" - she is the spunky younger sister of Sherlock that Conan Doyle forgot to mention. It turns out that Sherlock's mom is a suffragette bomber. She has a friend who is a female African martial arts ninja who could whup Sherlock's ass if given the chance. The anti-suffragists are willing to murder their own grandchildren to prevent women's suffrage. Inspector Lastrade is a S. Asian - that's a funny name for a S. Asian. Doyle forgot to mention that one too. Enola's girls boarding school is a very multicultural place with lots of Indians, blacks and Chinese. Sherlock's brother Mycroft is a sexist pig who wants to keep Enola locked up there in order not the sully the family name. But, surprise, surprise she breaks free of his bonds and saves the day with her own martial arts skills, learned from her mother, whereby she takes on and defeats an armed 200lb. male!

    I have watched Nazi propaganda such as Jud Süß and I have to tell you that it has more subtlety and nuance and attention to historical accuracy and plausibility than this. At least they don't have people marching around with swastikas in 1738 and 110 lb. girls beating up muscular men. True to Orwell's prediction, the Left is not only rewriting our future, they are re-writing the past.

    Replies: @Graham, @Art Deco, @nebulafox, @El Dato, @S. Anonyia

    Regarding your 2 last paragraphs:

    Why do they always retcon existing works instead of creating their own where all of the diversity actually makes sense?

    There are hundreds of thousands of authors worldwide with more talent and originality than tv/movie writers.

  75. Hopefully, Donna can find some other useful outlet for her myriad talents, whatever they may be.

    She’s not that outstanding a classics scholar. I doubt she could get an academic job outside a prep school. Probably her brother offered her work at Facebook or agreed to fund a political campaign, so she dropped the classics shit

  76. @PSR
    Wow! Talk about lack of self-awareness. This woman is practically on another planet.

    Replies: @Currahee, @Muggles

    Wow! Talk about lack of self-awareness. This woman is practically on another planet.

    Yes, idle wealthy women have always taken up odd hobbies to fill their empty lives. This one seems harmless though her “whinesplaining” is very tiresome.

    I recommend she work nights in some inner city convenience store for a few months. If she manages to survive she will acquire much unexpected but needed wisdom.

  77. Why do they always retcon existing works instead of creating their own where all of the diversity actually makes sense?

    Option one is rather easy.
    Option two requires creativity and at least some work.

  78. How can I write coherent sentences when I think about the growing danger of an autocratic coup by the Trump administration?

    This kind of performative mental illness is the most interesting recent development in progressive dogma. It’s often deployed as a new form of kafkatrapping: “If you’re able to discuss X and what to do about X rationally and calmly, if you’re not so upset about X that it impairs your ability to carry out your day-to-day responsibilities, it means you are probably a crypto-X supporter.”

    • Agree: Change that Matters
    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @WowJustWow


    This kind of performative mental illness is the most interesting recent development in progressive dogma.
     
    I once, out of curiosity, attended a Labour Party local meeting, here in the UK. Most of it was taken up by various broken people calling for more funding for mental health facilities. Despite the left’s disdain for competition, I sensed a very real competitive zeal to be the most mentally ill.
  79. @epebble
    @Stan Adams

    Last time Trump won, albeit narrowly, when his odds were 28.6%.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Winning with 16% odds sounds much more difficult, though not impossible. But Trump has run Casinos before; He knows a thing or two about gambling. October was good to him last time. He reached a trough of 12% around October 17-19 last time and recovered.

    Even if he loses, I think it will be marginal, like 1992, and not by a landslide, like 1980, as some are predicting.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Ragno

    October was good to him last time.

    Did you see the Bannon interview where he claimed he made the boldest stroke by far (he stopped short of saying he single handedly clinched the election) when he brought the Bill Clinton sex rudeness / sex crime victimes (Paula Jones et al) to sit in the front row of the debate three days after the pussy grab audio was broadcast?

    1. I would not have believed Bannon would say that if I hadn’t seen it.
    2. The Donald doesn’t have the guy managing his campaign this time and he is probably smarter than most of the guys he has now.

  80. @Morton's toes
    The bizarre thing about the latest round of kvetching is 538 says Biden is an 84-16 shot to win the election. 84-16. They have proved they are sore losers but they will probably be sore winners too if it should come to that. Where are all the anticipatory goosebumps? The counting of not-yet-hatched chickens?

    Oddsshark currently has Biden at P=.66.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @res, @El Dato

    Europeans want Papy Biden:

    Thanks, Europeans. Your overwhelming support for Biden means Trump’s now more likely to win. You just don’t understand us at all

    Must be “Brussels Syndrome”.

    Perceptive Nebosa is perceptive:

    ‘Deep State’ much? Pelosi and Raskin’s 25th Amendment body would let unelected bureaucrats override the will of American people

    Purely for the sake of argument, imagine the Biden-Harris ticket winning the election, and then a “bipartisan” commission consisting of former Obama and George W. Bush administration officials decide that Biden is suffering from suddenly discovered dementia, handing the White House to Harris.

    Now imagine Trump gets re-elected, and Democrat-dominated Congress overrides Trump’s veto to appoint the same kind of “bipartisan” commission, which then decides both he and Vice-President Mike Pence are somehow “incapacitated,” and regretfully and prayerfully declares it has no choice but to make Pelosi president, under the established order of succession.

    Could it work?

    Also, the way Pelosi uses her completely useless rona-mask on the accompanying photo, I fear she will pick up several kinds of virus before end of the month.

  81. Here is an article that obliterated Donna Zuckerberg four years ago (including her looks), and that was even before it turned out that she is too lazy to run a blog, even with the help of staff :

    https://www.rooshv.com/the-public-humiliation-of-mark-zuckerbergs-sister

    Her older sisters are at least smart enough to not advertise their mediocrity openly, and seem happy to not pretend they are striking out on their own. But Donna, who has the added advantage of being the younger sister, appears to think that she is equal to Mark in talent, when in fact she can’t even run a blog.

  82. I’m looking forward to Richard Spencer’s translation of the Aeneid.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Henry's Cat

    Arms, and the man I sing, who, forc'd by fate,
    And haughty Jews' unrelenting hate,
    Expell'd and exil'd, left the Potomac shore.
    Long labors, both by meme and hand, he bore,
    And in the doubtful war, before he won
    The White realm, and built the destin'd town;
    His banish'd memes restor'd to rites divine,
    And settled sure succession in his line,
    From whence the Alt-Right, no longer at another's call and beck,
    Fed the long glories of majestic Kek.

  83. @Almost Missouri
    Huh, so there's no market for a Classics magazine for people who hate the Classics?

    Who knew?

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    (Chuckle.)

  84. @Buffalo Joe
    @SimpleSong

    Sim, thank you for the reply and it is a good comment. The steel industry, whether steel mills or foundries, employed tens of thousands of black men and paid good money. The loss of those jobs hurt the black community.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    I’m unfamiliar with the situation re the steel industry, beyond the 1970s Japanese practice of dumping their steel on the American market at below market prices, but my understanding is that blacks chased the auto industry out of Detroit, through their constant violent and property crime.

  85. Donna Z just took the wrong approach, that’s all. She should have consulted with authors from the more recent past.

  86. @duncsbaby
    @CCZ

    Thanks, those are some interesting links. That keyfora site especially. I put in unz.com and of course it comes out much higher than eidolon.pub. If you look at country by country numbers after the U.S. the most visitors to unz.com originate from Indonesia! 3rd is Taiwan. I've never run across someone commenting at unz who was from Indonesia or claimed it. That's just weird. I think the numbers below are per month.

    https://www.keyfora.com/site/unz.com

    Vistor via Country

    United States 1,186,131

    Indonesia 927,722

    Taiwan 301,662

    United Kingdom 267,836

    Brazil 242,328

    Nigeria 211,829

    Egypt 178,003

    Hong Kong 168,021

    Canada 168,021

    Australia 146,395

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    Here at Peak Stupidity, it’s time for a case of beer! In yo’ face!:

    peakstupidity.com reaches roughly 89,212 users per day and delivers about 2,676,363 users each month.

    We’re gonna need a bigger boat server.

    .

    You made my day CCZ! (Too bad I’m quite aware these numbers are totally bogus.)

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed, I have visited peakstupidity.com a few times which is a few more than I've visited Eidolon which I did for the first time after I read this post we are all commenting on. Those are respectable numbers and they couldn't possibly be all FBI.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  87. @Kylie
    Ha! She thinks she, a white Classicist, is exhausted? Her exhaustion is as nothing compared to the exhaustion of those who occupy Black bodies. What next? A complaint that people want to touch the hair of a woman who reads Latin and Greek?

    I think she's indulging in grievance appropriation.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @TelfoedJohn

    I think she’s indulging in grievance appropriation.

    Appropriating the suffering, real or imagined, of other people is what makes the modern world go round. It’s really envy of the attention that sufferers get. SJW stigmata. Like lesbian AIDS envy in the 80s.

  88. @WowJustWow

    How can I write coherent sentences when I think about the growing danger of an autocratic coup by the Trump administration?
     
    This kind of performative mental illness is the most interesting recent development in progressive dogma. It’s often deployed as a new form of kafkatrapping: “If you’re able to discuss X and what to do about X rationally and calmly, if you’re not so upset about X that it impairs your ability to carry out your day-to-day responsibilities, it means you are probably a crypto-X supporter.”

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

    This kind of performative mental illness is the most interesting recent development in progressive dogma.

    I once, out of curiosity, attended a Labour Party local meeting, here in the UK. Most of it was taken up by various broken people calling for more funding for mental health facilities. Despite the left’s disdain for competition, I sensed a very real competitive zeal to be the most mentally ill.

  89. @AndrewR
    The family dynamics of the über-rich have always fascinated me. While Madonna Ciccone is obviously orders of magnitude poorer than Mark Zuckerberg, she still could easily afford to give her brother 100k, 200k, even a million dollars a year without affecting her lifestyle at all. But last I heard, her brother was literally homeless in Traverse City. And my sister met their dad once at the vineyard he owns: Ciccone Vineyard. She speaks fluent Italian and he was happy to speak to her in Italian until she brought up his wayward daughter, at which point he walked away in anger.

    So yeah, I wonder what kind of relationship Mark and Donna have, and if he does or would give her any money at all. I wouldn't assume such things for a second.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    In 2009, TripAdvisor named Traverse City the number two small town travel destination in the United States.[11] In 2012, the city was listed among the 10 best places to retire in the country by U.S. News & World Report.[12]

    I suppose it must be OK so long as you’re not living in a tent.
    Hey, is he living in a tent?

  90. @duncsbaby
    @CCZ

    Thanks, those are some interesting links. That keyfora site especially. I put in unz.com and of course it comes out much higher than eidolon.pub. If you look at country by country numbers after the U.S. the most visitors to unz.com originate from Indonesia! 3rd is Taiwan. I've never run across someone commenting at unz who was from Indonesia or claimed it. That's just weird. I think the numbers below are per month.

    https://www.keyfora.com/site/unz.com

    Vistor via Country

    United States 1,186,131

    Indonesia 927,722

    Taiwan 301,662

    United Kingdom 267,836

    Brazil 242,328

    Nigeria 211,829

    Egypt 178,003

    Hong Kong 168,021

    Canada 168,021

    Australia 146,395

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Almost Missouri, @Achmed E. Newman, @Jim Don Bob

    Maybe it’s Twinkie’s extended family! 😉

    No offense meant Twinkie. I couldn’t resist.

  91. @Stephen Paul Foster
    One less source for finalists in the "bad writing contest" whose winners get published once a year.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    “It was a dark and stormy night …”

    https://www.bulwer-lytton.com/

  92. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Gotta assume Zuck cut her off. Funny to think of the vicious fights between two foulmouthed Zuckerbergs really going at it.

    "I can't believe you shut us down you cheap ass motherfucker!"

    "Fuck you and your shitty yenta friends! I told you whores to start making money! Die you fucking leeches."

    "I hate you and your small dick energy bullshit!"

    Etc

    Replies: @Anon

    My theory is that Zuckerberg has his finger to the wind, and he’s realized that a crazy leftist sister is not going to get him elected in 2024. I’ve noticed before that every time he tried to campaign, she immediately tried to get herself into the news. She’s obviously jealous of all the attention he gets.

  93. @AndrewR
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    While, over the last 60 years, the US has repaid, many times over, whatever debts were owed to black slaves and their descendants, it's highly dishonest to pretend that the racial conflict in the US has anything to do with a "moral monopoly."

    "But slavery wasn't only practiced in the US" is a bizarre and irrelevant response to the claims of the "progressives," who argue, rightly or wrongly, that the legacy of US slavery (and segregation, and redlining etc) still harms American blacks today.

    If someone came up to you and accused you of stealing from them, would you respond by saying "a thousand years ago some Chinese guy stole from another Chinese guy therefore I don't owe you anything"? Beyond absurd.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    “it’s highly dishonest”

    No, it isn’t.

    “’But slavery wasn’t only practiced in the US’ is a bizarre and irrelevant response”

    It is the absolutely correct response.

    “If someone came up to you and accused you of stealing from them…”

    If someone claims that you owe him because your great-great-great-grandfather allegedly stole from his great-great-great-grandfather, then that is as good a response as any other, though “Go to hell!” is more succinct.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Nicholas Stix

    I think a more affective, though Dadaist, approach (and the whole slabery topic could use a healthy dose of Dadaism) would be to simply reply:

    African slavery by whites in North America is simply reparations for the enslavement of whites by Africans in the Mahgreb, which went on for far longer, and was far crueler, than slavery in the Old South. Notice that there are no White Descendants of Slaves in Africa to make any complaints: they were all brutally worked to death, and did not form families. So, we got our reparations by enslaving you, and now we're even.

    "B-b-b-but, THOSE Africans weren't the same as the SSA Bantus that you enslaved!"

    "Yes, and the Swedes and Irish and Swiss and Poles and Hungarians never enslaved a single African, but you still blame it on all white people. Africans enslaved Europeans, earlier, for a longer time and far more brutally, and now you paid. Suck it up."

    Replies: @SFG

    , @AndrewR
    @Nicholas Stix

    One need only look three comments into your comment history to see you are a racial collectivist: "blacks chased the auto industry out of Detroit."

    You can't have your cake and eat it too.

    Collectively, blacks were enslaved as a racial group. Besides recent immigrants like Karen Attiah, ALL American blacks are descended from slaves. The fact that not all whites are descended from slave owners (and I doubt many people can say ALL their ancestors in 1860 were from slave owning families) doesn't refute blacks' claims for reparations or special treatment.

    The fact that Ethnic Group X in some faraway land enslaved some people 3,000 years ago is even less of a defense against blacks' claim for reparations.

    The only meaningful argument is to tally up all the wealth and power that blacks have been given over the last 70 years and add that to the total account of all the real injustices they've faced from the 17th century until today. I think that in 2020 blacks are in net debt to America, but obviously some will disagree. But the fact that I concur with you that we don't owe blacks shit anymore doesn't mean that your reasoning isn't absurd and foolish.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  94. @Nicholas Stix
    @AndrewR

    "it’s highly dishonest"

    No, it isn't.

    “'But slavery wasn’t only practiced in the US' is a bizarre and irrelevant response"

    It is the absolutely correct response.

    "If someone came up to you and accused you of stealing from them..."

    If someone claims that you owe him because your great-great-great-grandfather allegedly stole from his great-great-great-grandfather, then that is as good a response as any other, though "Go to hell!" is more succinct.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @AndrewR

    I think a more affective, though Dadaist, approach (and the whole slabery topic could use a healthy dose of Dadaism) would be to simply reply:

    African slavery by whites in North America is simply reparations for the enslavement of whites by Africans in the Mahgreb, which went on for far longer, and was far crueler, than slavery in the Old South. Notice that there are no White Descendants of Slaves in Africa to make any complaints: they were all brutally worked to death, and did not form families. So, we got our reparations by enslaving you, and now we’re even.

    “B-b-b-but, THOSE Africans weren’t the same as the SSA Bantus that you enslaved!”

    “Yes, and the Swedes and Irish and Swiss and Poles and Hungarians never enslaved a single African, but you still blame it on all white people. Africans enslaved Europeans, earlier, for a longer time and far more brutally, and now you paid. Suck it up.”

    • Replies: @SFG
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You're right, though that's more of a reductio ad absurdum.

    A Dadaist approach would be to show an old-school painting of the sultan's seraglio, and then walk away. For maximum Dada points, take a dump on the floor.

  95. @Nicholas Stix
    @AndrewR

    "it’s highly dishonest"

    No, it isn't.

    “'But slavery wasn’t only practiced in the US' is a bizarre and irrelevant response"

    It is the absolutely correct response.

    "If someone came up to you and accused you of stealing from them..."

    If someone claims that you owe him because your great-great-great-grandfather allegedly stole from his great-great-great-grandfather, then that is as good a response as any other, though "Go to hell!" is more succinct.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @AndrewR

    One need only look three comments into your comment history to see you are a racial collectivist: “blacks chased the auto industry out of Detroit.”

    You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

    Collectively, blacks were enslaved as a racial group. Besides recent immigrants like Karen Attiah, ALL American blacks are descended from slaves. The fact that not all whites are descended from slave owners (and I doubt many people can say ALL their ancestors in 1860 were from slave owning families) doesn’t refute blacks’ claims for reparations or special treatment.

    The fact that Ethnic Group X in some faraway land enslaved some people 3,000 years ago is even less of a defense against blacks’ claim for reparations.

    The only meaningful argument is to tally up all the wealth and power that blacks have been given over the last 70 years and add that to the total account of all the real injustices they’ve faced from the 17th century until today. I think that in 2020 blacks are in net debt to America, but obviously some will disagree. But the fact that I concur with you that we don’t owe blacks shit anymore doesn’t mean that your reasoning isn’t absurd and foolish.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @AndrewR

    "Collectively, blacks were enslaved as a racial group."

    But not by Whites. Whites did not enslave blacks, Whites emancipated blacks.

  96. @El Dato
    Do those people read their own op-eds and believe what they read? How does that work??

    How can I read and think slowly and carefully when there’s no justice for the murderers of Breonna Taylor and countless others, and when the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg means that our judicial system will be even more an enemy of real justice in the future? How can I write coherent sentences when I think about the growing danger of an autocratic coup by the Trump administration?
     
    I guess the good thing in an autocratic coup by the Trump administration will be that the hundreds of thousands of people they want to kill (and Breonna Taylor) will already have died due to Coronavirus.

    Replies: @ic1000, @sayless

    It’s hard to believe this hysteric studied Classics. She sounds like she’s fifteen years old.

  97. @Shaq
    Along those lines, more billionaire travails....

    https://twitter.com/linkedinflex/status/1314240198872641536?s=21

    Replies: @black sea, @SFG

    Eh, she’s just a mom worried about her son, who she’s also proud of. Normal mom behavior.

    She just forgot she’s in a very elevated social class and broadcasting this to the world.

  98. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Nicholas Stix

    I think a more affective, though Dadaist, approach (and the whole slabery topic could use a healthy dose of Dadaism) would be to simply reply:

    African slavery by whites in North America is simply reparations for the enslavement of whites by Africans in the Mahgreb, which went on for far longer, and was far crueler, than slavery in the Old South. Notice that there are no White Descendants of Slaves in Africa to make any complaints: they were all brutally worked to death, and did not form families. So, we got our reparations by enslaving you, and now we're even.

    "B-b-b-but, THOSE Africans weren't the same as the SSA Bantus that you enslaved!"

    "Yes, and the Swedes and Irish and Swiss and Poles and Hungarians never enslaved a single African, but you still blame it on all white people. Africans enslaved Europeans, earlier, for a longer time and far more brutally, and now you paid. Suck it up."

    Replies: @SFG

    You’re right, though that’s more of a reductio ad absurdum.

    A Dadaist approach would be to show an old-school painting of the sultan’s seraglio, and then walk away. For maximum Dada points, take a dump on the floor.

  99. @Henry's Cat
    I'm looking forward to Richard Spencer's translation of the Aeneid.

    Replies: @SFG

    Arms, and the man I sing, who, forc’d by fate,
    And haughty Jews’ unrelenting hate,
    Expell’d and exil’d, left the Potomac shore.
    Long labors, both by meme and hand, he bore,
    And in the doubtful war, before he won
    The White realm, and built the destin’d town;
    His banish’d memes restor’d to rites divine,
    And settled sure succession in his line,
    From whence the Alt-Right, no longer at another’s call and beck,
    Fed the long glories of majestic Kek.

  100. @Jack D
    @black sea

    It's true that at one time really rich guys (Stanford, Carnegie, Mellon, Duke, Rice, etc.) either founded universities while still living or left bequests for them in their wills. However, I think the university market in the US is now a mature one and there is little room for new entrants.

    OTOH, one could have said that about the auto industry too, but Tesla has carved out a valuable niche. The key is not to do more of whatever everyone else is doing but to really shake things up. In the case of Zuck, the obvious thing would be to found an online university that promises to offer a better level and quality of education, networking, etc. than the current top universities (and one that would be accepted as an equally prestigious credential) but at a lower cost.

    As a virtual university, they would not be limited by the # of dorm beds. Harvard, MIT, Stanford, etc. are currently turning away up to 95% of their potential customers. If you are a hot club, you WANT to turn away some customers - this only increases your cachet among those who get past the bouncers. But turning away 19 out of 20 is ridiculous - they are leaving tons of $ on the table.

    Right now is a good time to shake things up because most of the traditional universities are not currently offering their traditional campus experience but are still charging traditional prices.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Jack, with tens of billions in endowments Harvard couldn’t care less about tuition income. They are in the business of changing the direction of this country and they are doing a hell of a job at it.

  101. @Graham
    "How can I spend my energy reading Greek and Latin when a pandemic has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans?" Actually it's a great thing to do during the absurd and tyrannical lockdown, and the facilities are so much better. What I mean is that I did classical Greek at school and was rather crap at it, and screwed up my exams, but this year, after four decades, I took it up again and am making huge progress, not because my IQ has increased (I'm sure it has gone down) or I have become more focused, but because the material available for free on the internet is of such high quality. Just a single example: Geoffrey Steadman (https://geoffreysteadman.com), a classics teacher at a high school in Cincinnati, has written a series of high-quality textbooks for various Greek and Latin works, giving texts with vocabulary and commentary on the facing pages. I've had great help and learnt a lot using his books on the Odyssey, Anabasis and Antigone. These books are available as free downloads or cheap print-on-demand paperbacks. The enjoyment and study of the classics moves on without the assistance of our new proscriptive and hypocritical masters.

    Replies: @Anon

    Thanks for the reference!

  102. @epebble
    @Stan Adams

    Last time Trump won, albeit narrowly, when his odds were 28.6%.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

    Winning with 16% odds sounds much more difficult, though not impossible. But Trump has run Casinos before; He knows a thing or two about gambling. October was good to him last time. He reached a trough of 12% around October 17-19 last time and recovered.

    Even if he loses, I think it will be marginal, like 1992, and not by a landslide, like 1980, as some are predicting.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Ragno

    Last time, people didn’t wake up to find screaming defectives on their front porch for vocalizing the wrong opinions – if not assaulted on the spot for speaking.

    Also? Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I think the hard-working, rule-following taxpayers whom the Democrats gleefully bankrupted this year – and then gave violent mobs the relax, nobody’s going to jail thumbs up for destroying whatever was left standing, while those betrayed citizens were hanging on by their thumbs….. well, I know we Americans are a shallow people, but I don’t think those folks are likely to forget all of that happened in two or three months.

    Don’t think in terms of silent majorities…..think more in terms of guerilla voting blocs. If the four years of the Trump administration have proven one thing beyond any shadow of a doubt, it’s that the Democrats are dangerously unfit to govern this country. The GOP might be gladhanding, largely-impotent buffoons, but they’re not the looting, rioting subhumans burning our country to ashes.

    So I think any responses to a political poll in 2020 can be safely discounted.

  103. @anon

    How can I write coherent sentences .... I didn’t feel that I could handle this job
     
    Edited for clarity and concision.

    Replies: @Richard B

    I didn’t feel that I could handle this job

    Reading the classics did nothing to keep her from being a self-absorbed drama queen.

  104. It’s so hard being among the ultrawoke with access to billions of $; being able to sense every little injustice that vibrates the world wide web of injustice. One loves the people of color and the lsmft community and their deep knowledge and other wealthy people who share this holy rapport with the downtrodden. Equally one is just so incensed at the middle class, average white people trying to enjoy themselves playing with their laughing children. Laughing? These kids should be denouncing their parents for the oppressors they are! They must be made to conform; they must be punished for their crimes against humanity! They must be slaves to the society of the marginalized and, only incidentally, make us richer and more powerful than we are now. We can mold the world to work the way it should – like that vision we had while masturbating in our dorm rooms at Harvard.

  105. @Clyde
    @Buffalo Joe

    My no sarcasm reply is thanks for surviving all those insults to your lungs so that you can comment here. And continuing on for your extended family too. Much of life is continuity for family and enduring.

    "What you cannot cure, you must endure"

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Clyde

    Thanks and btw my family was is sheet metal manufacturing in… NYC was full of light manufacturing/ But we knew the real gruesome guys were in heavy metal pouring. I still have stainless inch rulers
    (giveaways to us) from Bethlehem Steel circa 1970

  106. @Buffalo Joe
    @Clyde

    Clyde, need a "Heartfelt Thanks" button.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Thanks and btw my family was is sheet metal manufacturing in… NYC was full of light manufacturing/ But we knew the real gruesome guys were in heavy metal pouring. I still have stainless inch rulers
    (giveaways to us) from Bethlehem Steel circa 1970

  107. California Sunday, meanwhile, ended its print edition in June amid the economic wreckage of COVID-19 because, as its editor in chief wrote at the time, a “big-circulation print magazine won’t be viable for us this year or next year.” Now the publication has suspended publication entirely and its staff are out of jobs—they were informed Monday that California Sunday’s parent entity, the live-events-oriented Pop-Up Magazine Productions, had lost its support from Emerson Collective, the philanthropic investing organization of multibillionaire Laurene Powell Jobs. (“Emerson Collective and Pop-Up Magazine Productions are proud of their five-year partnership,” the entities said in a joint statement. “We look forward to possible future collaborations as Pop-Up Magazine Productions enters this new phase as an independent company.”)

    ******
    Powell Jobs, heralded just a couple years ago as a possible media-industry savior, quickly came under fire. “It’s absolutely unconscionable that Emerson Collective—run by a woman worth $19 billion—would drop them and the equally wonderful Pop-Up Magazine during a pandemic. Journalism needs help to survive this; short-term profits cannot be the only factor,” tweeted Wired editor Megan Greenwell, who described being “heartbroken the magazine’s run is ending.” Journalists’ eulogies flowed on Twitter: “In a time of so much loss,” wrote Pamela Colloff, “it’s particularly devastating to lose a publication like @CalSunday.” As business journalist Tom Gara put it, referring to California Sunday and Quartz, “Two grim stories today of deep pocketed investors backing away from news.”

  108. @Achmed E. Newman
    @duncsbaby

    Here at Peak Stupidity, it's time for a case of beer! In yo' face!:


    peakstupidity.com reaches roughly 89,212 users per day and delivers about 2,676,363 users each month.
     
    We're gonna need a bigger boat server.

    .

    You made my day CCZ! (Too bad I'm quite aware these numbers are totally bogus.)

    Replies: @duncsbaby

    Achmed, I have visited peakstupidity.com a few times which is a few more than I’ve visited Eidolon which I did for the first time after I read this post we are all commenting on. Those are respectable numbers and they couldn’t possibly be all FBI.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @duncsbaby

    Nah, Dunc's, I would love to believe that, but 2 things:

    1) My site's stats from log files are much, much lower number than that.

    2) If you want to see those numbers you can try it again. The numbers it shows are right on the money, for averages that is. (Yeah, they'd better not be mostly the FBI, haha!) I don't know why the site gave me those numbers the 1st time. I wish I had a screenshot.

    Thank you for visiting Peak Stupidity, Duncsbaby.

  109. @duncsbaby
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed, I have visited peakstupidity.com a few times which is a few more than I've visited Eidolon which I did for the first time after I read this post we are all commenting on. Those are respectable numbers and they couldn't possibly be all FBI.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Nah, Dunc’s, I would love to believe that, but 2 things:

    1) My site’s stats from log files are much, much lower number than that.

    2) If you want to see those numbers you can try it again. The numbers it shows are right on the money, for averages that is. (Yeah, they’d better not be mostly the FBI, haha!) I don’t know why the site gave me those numbers the 1st time. I wish I had a screenshot.

    Thank you for visiting Peak Stupidity, Duncsbaby.

  110. @AndrewR
    @Nicholas Stix

    One need only look three comments into your comment history to see you are a racial collectivist: "blacks chased the auto industry out of Detroit."

    You can't have your cake and eat it too.

    Collectively, blacks were enslaved as a racial group. Besides recent immigrants like Karen Attiah, ALL American blacks are descended from slaves. The fact that not all whites are descended from slave owners (and I doubt many people can say ALL their ancestors in 1860 were from slave owning families) doesn't refute blacks' claims for reparations or special treatment.

    The fact that Ethnic Group X in some faraway land enslaved some people 3,000 years ago is even less of a defense against blacks' claim for reparations.

    The only meaningful argument is to tally up all the wealth and power that blacks have been given over the last 70 years and add that to the total account of all the real injustices they've faced from the 17th century until today. I think that in 2020 blacks are in net debt to America, but obviously some will disagree. But the fact that I concur with you that we don't owe blacks shit anymore doesn't mean that your reasoning isn't absurd and foolish.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

    “Collectively, blacks were enslaved as a racial group.”

    But not by Whites. Whites did not enslave blacks, Whites emancipated blacks.

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