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Tormenting Senator Elizabeth Warren seems kind of fun. She doesn’t seem to have the natural politician’s knack for avoiding saying something that will just cause more trouble for her later. From CNN:

Elizabeth Warren declines to say if she supports financial compensation as a form of reparations

By MJ Lee, CNN Political Correspondent

Updated 4:13 PM ET, Fri March 8, 2019

New York (CNN) … In an interview with CNN in Harlem — a neighborhood of Manhattan rich with African-American history — Warren was asked three times whether she supports money being given to Americans who can trace their roots to slavery. Reparations for slavery in America is often interpreted as financial compensation for descendants of slaves.

“I think it’s time for us to have the conversation. We need to address the fact that in this country, we built great fortunes and wealth on the backs of slaves and we need to address that head-on — we need to have that national conversation,” the Massachusetts Democrat told CNN. “There are scholars, there are activists who’ve talked about a lot of different ways we might structure reparations.”

Pressed a second time on whether she supports money being given to African-Americans, Warren said she was focused on sparking a national conversation about the issue.

“You know, there are people who don’t want to have this conversation at all,” she said. “I believe that’s what’s right is we to sit down, we need to talk about our history, we need to address it head-on, we need to talk about what the long-term implications of racial discrimination have been, including more recent racial discrimination.”

Asked one more time whether she supports financial payment, Warren responded: “I’m saying that there are a lot of scholars and a lot of activists who have put multiple proposals on the table. But we’re never going to get to any of those proposals if we don’t with an acknowledgment of the wrong of slavery and the obligation to address it.”

But CNN didn’t ask her if we shouldn’t also be having a conversation about reparations for American Indians and how much she ought to get.

 
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  1. Reparations will be like immigration and taxation–something the ‘little people’ have to deal with.

    • Agree: South Texas Guy
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mr McKenna

    “But CNN didn’t ask her if we shouldn’t also be having a conversation about reparations for American Indians and how much she ought to get.”

    -I’m wondering when we will FINALLY get around to paying the Muslims here in the US and in Europe reparations for all the problematic headaches they’ve had to endure over 9/11, ISIS, Rotherham, Orlando gay nightclub, etc. There have been untold scores of Islamic attacks against Western civilians, demands to change the West to suit Islamic tastes, etc., and EVERY SINGLE TIME at least a few Westerners have publicly complained about Muslims, which is an annoyance to them. Thankfully our politicians, schools, media, and entertainment have all come out squarely in defense of the Muslims. But this non-institutionalized annoyance is deeply problematic.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Anonymous
    @Mr McKenna

    As far as I’m concerned I’m already more than paying my ‘reparations’ by putting up with having them in our society. God knows they contribute far less than they take, they’re a constant headache daily to live around, they constantly demand unearned privileges, they turn peaceful, prosperous white cities into tax-draining dangerous pest holes- they’re a huge drain on our country.

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Mr McKenna

    Reparations cannot be a one time thing otherwise white America will just pay it off and be done with. No, reparations will have to last forever. And whatever mitigating circumstances such as the whites who fought to liberate blacks or the benefits derived from white inventions will not be taken into consideration. My solution would be to agree to reparations and then tell black / liberal America that they owe us but we will forgive it just as long as they never bother us again. They can keep using all the shit we invented with no help from them.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  2. She was having a conversation about why she wouldn’t answer the question on reparations but avoided it by demanding we have a conversation about reparations.

    • Agree: Peter Johnson
    • Replies: @Bubba
    @RobUK

    Typical woman.

    , @El Dato
    @RobUK

    Actually she just wants to "spark" "the conversation".


    “I’m saying that there are a lot of scholars and a lot of activists who have put multiple proposals on the table. But we’re never going to get to any of those proposals if we don’t with an acknowledgment of the wrong of slavery and the obligation to address it.”
     
    So:

    Step 1: Acknowledge the obligation to address the wrongs of slavery.
    Step 2: Acknowledge the wrongs of slavery.
    Step 3: Study proposals that have been put on the table by multiple scholars & activists
    Step 4: Spark "The Conversation"
    Step 5: Sit down, talk about our history and the need to address it head-on and long-term implications of racial discrimination including more recent racial discrimination.
    Step 6: Saved by the bell or the race war, whatever comes first.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  3. The tactic of avoiding answering a question by proposing to instead “have a conversation” about the issues in the question reflects a distinctly feminine cognitive approach. This “have a conversation” tactic treats communication as a method to share one’s feelings with those around one, rather than as a method to transmit information. “Having a conversation” usually means sharing one’s feelings so that we can modulate our emotional responses agreeably; this avoids dealing with any hard facts or tough-minded analysis and appeals to women much more than men. Of course men can use this tactic too, but it is less natural for them.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • LOL: Bill H
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Peter Johnson

    And how much is our time worth, waiting in lines and dealing with screwups caused by affirmative action government workers? Government affirmative action created the black middle class.

    "Have a conversation" means either "Read the Wikipedia article," or "Agree with my opinion." In the age of the internet, the conversation has been had. You just have to Google the pro and con. But I suspect that when someone says, "We need to have a conversation," the meaning is, "I sense that you do not agree with my position, so you need to get your ass in gear and agree with me."

    , @Trevor H.
    @Peter Johnson

    For whatever reason, people under the age of 35 or so can't seem to understand why I find the phrase "have a conversation" slightly creepy.

    But then they also don't understand why I don't trust Google or Microsoft, and why I don't use Facebook. At least on that last point there are rumblings of a backlash. I hope it gathers steam.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Anon7
    @Peter Johnson

    Another feminine tactic is “raising awareness”. Women do this, I believe, because they evolved to let men do the dangerous work, or hard physical work, or the tedious work.

    For example, my wife will raise awareness about a light being out in the living room, rather than just getting a f***ing bulb and fixing the problem herself.

    Women build up the idea that the man has vast power to fix any problem: then, by manipulating the man, it is they, the women, who have vast power. This is why women instinctively believe in Socialism: Uncle Sam is the ultimate powerful man who will fix every problem, if you just give him control over everything.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Peter Johnson


    The tactic of avoiding answering a question by proposing to instead “have a conversation” about the issues in the question reflects a distinctly feminine cognitive approach
     
    This is true.

    Every man who's ever had a fight with his wife should know that, above any specific outcome, women crave a psychological sense that they have been heard and understood - even if they don't understand themselves.

    This was very much on display at the Women's March in 2017.

    WOMAN'S MARCHER: We are marching so that our message will be heard!

    OBSERVER: And what is your message?

    WOMAN'S MARCHER: That we need to be heard!

    OBSERVER: Ok, we hear that. Anything else?

    WOMAN'S MARCHER: No, that's pretty much it. Do you like my hat?
    , @Olorin
    @Peter Johnson

    You are missing the point.

    "Have a conversation" can also mean holding space open for discussing something that is the conversational equivalent of a minefield. Let somebody else point to it, map it, then mazurka across it.

    That's the opposite of what our host said--not having a political knack. In fact it's highly intelligent when you know someone is trying to noodge or di di mao/chop chop you into political suicide around a no-win topic...

    ...that frames white people as losers.

    For after all, "reparations" is what war losers pay to war winners. Ask Finland and Germany.

    Liz Warren is a smart gal. She has been paying attention for the past 30 years. I wouldn't say she lacks "hard facts and tough minded analysis," but many on the so-called "dissident right" can't see past her being a girl. And her Girl Cooties.

    Imagine her as Trump's running mate in 2020. The Chambers of Commerce would explode. So would the (((progs))).

  4. You should be cheering the democrats on this reparations thing, it’s a great way to lose an election

    • Replies: @Neuday
    @Jason Liu

    I remember cheering the democrats to nominate a terribly shallow and inexperienced narcissist bastard of anti-American parents and with a history of drug abuse, muslim education and Communist leanings who vowed to "fundamentally transform" the country.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jason Liu

    "Open borders" is a big loser, too. The more who come, hide, clog schools and emergency rooms, and commit various crimes, the more Americans will wake to the crisis/emergency nature of open borders, here and abroad. We used to say we don't want to be a 3rd world nation, now we don't want to be like Europe, either.
    A lot of Repubs should be primaried over open borders.

  5. I agree there should be financial reparations for Blacks, though I probably disagree with Wigwam Warren about who should pay them.

    Because although members of Worst Culture in the World have obviously benefited from the magical world built by Blacks, it’s also evident none of us had a say in our arrival into it.

    But that’s not true for recent migrants. Looking at the Land the Slaves Built, its sins shining like the sun, they nonetheless still come, seeking to reap the rich rewards available only because America is founded on the dead bodies of those it exploited. No morally coherant individual could read Ta-Nehisi Paul Coates and still wish to participate in this racist experiment.

    I maintain, therefore, the overwhelming burden of financial reparations falls on those who have, while willfully turning their gaze from Black Suffering, entered the country since 1962. A sliding scale should suffice, with more recent entrants paying the most.

    It’s disgusting so many have come to the Very Worst Country in the World, knowing full well its appalling history. The time has come to put things right.

    I stand with Elizabeth White-Eagle and any other right thinking individual who sees what lies plainly before them.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri, Clyde
    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Change that Matters

    Maybe we should have Between The World And Me translated into various languages and handed out around the world. If that doesn't keep them out, then no wall will.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  6. Haven’t blacks already received reparations in the form of welfare, section eight housing, affirmative action hiring, medicaid, education grants, disability payments, and make-work government jobs? All this amounts to about $2.5 million to the descendants of each and every slave living in the US at the time of the civil war.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @JimB


    already received reparations
     
    Yes, but that's just walking around money.

    Just wait until numbers are put on paper toward the effort to make them whole.

    Some infinities are larger than others.
    , @dvorak
    @JimB


    All this amounts to about $2.5 million to the descendants of each and every slave living in the US at the time of the civil war.
     
    Adjusted for inflation, how many acres and mules is that in 1865?

    We need a Reparations Clock that displays the running tally of net payments from white to black.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @JimB

    Jim, My first reparation, gladly given, is free public education. After they have taken advantage of this education by getting a minimum of a HS education we can talk about the next step.

    Replies: @JimB, @Anonymous

  7. Somehow I have a sense that this conversation will not include the trillions of dollars in welfare transfer payments made to negroes, the trillions in lost wages and economic output incurred by whites as a result of affirmative action, the trillions in damages incurred by whites as a result of negro crime, or the fact that slaves were compensated in food, clothing, housing, and healthcare vastly superior to what they would have received from their African captors prior to sale to American white farmers.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Stan d Mute

    The DNC doesn't trust her to write checks. She'll be the designated stamp licker.

    , @Anonymous
    @Stan d Mute

    Exactly. Nor that only a small pct of whites at the time owned slaves, that blacks and native Americans owned slaves, that there were large numbers of white indentured sevants who were essentially slaves but treated worse, that many whites in the US were descended from people who weren’t even in the US at the time, and increasing numbers of blacks are of recent US ancestry as well; that slavery was never a US institution- it was private slave trading ( so why are we talking about payments from the govt?); that no one alive owned or was a slave; and the role of Muslims in the slave trade (including white slavery). I’m sure there’s even more but that’s just a few extra points off the top of my head.

    And I’d love to hear a ‘conversation’ on the Tribe’s role in all of these things.

  8. Having a “national conversation on x” is one of the favorite soft-totalitarian weasel locutions that means, “we’re going to tell you ‘jump,’ and you’re going to say ‘how high?’”

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2013/08/let-hundred-conversations-bloom.html

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  9. The historical fact that the “wealth created by slavery” was destroyed by The War Of The Rebellion appears to escape proggresive’s attention.

    • Agree: res, Lot
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Redneck farmer

    "“wealth created by slavery” was destroyed by The War Of The Rebellion appears to escape proggresive’s attention." So true. And 375,000 Union soldier deaths. The sins of the Nation were already paid for in blood and treasure.

  10. Should blacks be paying whites reparations for the billions of dollars of property value destruction they’ve left in their wake after moving in in the numerous neighborhoods, and in some cases whole cities (eg Gary, Detroit) , throughout the country?

    Is there a country where those of African descent earn more per capita than in the US? Maybe there should be a reparation tax on all those groups who significantly out earn their home country per capita wage just for the pleasure of being here?

  11. My sister gave me a subscription to The Atlantic, and when Tennessee-Coates essay was the cover story, I forced myself to read it, so I can say with authority, it was an inchoate scramble of jibberish. I could not extract as single clear thought from the thing, even though I sincerely wanted to. My overall impression was he was saying “We’re black and feel aggrieved, so gibs.” Alright, Genius, tell me how that’s going to work. Let’s have this conversation. Let’s!

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Old Prude

    "conversation" is ebonics for "you listen and do as we say"

    Replies: @Old Prude

  12. American blacks have so much mixed blood they are hard to define as far as percentage of real African slave blood. The Japanese here got some reparations, but they were very easy to define. Their blood was pure Japanese 99% of time and their internment took place recently. Reparations went only to those who spent time in those camps, not their offspring.

    There is no limit to the gibs that American blacks want. Egged on by white liberals and commies of course.

  13. OT. Probably been seen, and I’m not the world’s biggest baseball (sports, in general) fan. What California’s tax policies are doing to their teams.

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-skelton-income-tax-20190307-story.html

    Boras notes that Harper got $30 million more than Machado, but calculates that when all taxes are figured, the new Phillies player will net around $55 million more.

    • Replies: @res
    @South Texas Guy

    That's an interesting thought. I wonder if the applicable tax policies are detectable in the salaries or results of the teams. This definitely adds to the potential impact of salary caps.

    This might be useful for thinking about the issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_income_tax

    Replies: @FPD72

  14. Instead of reparations, black Americans should demand that they be given agency. (Actually, they should just take it.)

  15. Anon[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Johnson
    The tactic of avoiding answering a question by proposing to instead "have a conversation" about the issues in the question reflects a distinctly feminine cognitive approach. This "have a conversation" tactic treats communication as a method to share one's feelings with those around one, rather than as a method to transmit information. "Having a conversation" usually means sharing one's feelings so that we can modulate our emotional responses agreeably; this avoids dealing with any hard facts or tough-minded analysis and appeals to women much more than men. Of course men can use this tactic too, but it is less natural for them.

    Replies: @Anon, @Trevor H., @Anon7, @Hypnotoad666, @Olorin

    And how much is our time worth, waiting in lines and dealing with screwups caused by affirmative action government workers? Government affirmative action created the black middle class.

    “Have a conversation” means either “Read the Wikipedia article,” or “Agree with my opinion.” In the age of the internet, the conversation has been had. You just have to Google the pro and con. But I suspect that when someone says, “We need to have a conversation,” the meaning is, “I sense that you do not agree with my position, so you need to get your ass in gear and agree with me.”

  16. I’m one step ahead of Chief Warren. I’ve already had that conversation . It took like half a minute.

    “What do you think about reparations?”

    “Fuck that shit!”

    No, not even half a minute – it took ~ 5 seconds. We should all find the time to have this conversation. is all she is saying.

  17. Fauxchohontas makes HRC look like a master politician.

  18. • Replies: @Lot
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Yes, nothing elderly Germans need more than a giant brand new underclass of surly unemployable Arabs.

    Out of Merkel’s million, about 100 are employed in the formal labor force. Big German companies are getting paid to hire them, but they still won’t do it.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/710927/million-migrants-Germany-unemployed-Merkel-open-door-policy

    By the way, whenever I see Muslim “success stories” in French MSM propaganda, the employed Muslim always seems to have a job like “youth anti-gang counselor” or “adult education coordinator.”

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Asks: Is It Still OK to Have Kids in Face of Climate Change?
     
    Good god, let's not imagine her with kids.

    One generation of imbecile is enough!
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Hippopotamusdrome



    Wild Boars Are Taking Over Japan as Population Ages, Disappears
     
    An Indonesian friend told me his father loved to hunt wild boars. Since they were Moslem and couldn't consume them, they sold them to the local Christians.

    How much do the robots in your Newsweek link cost? We could station a string of them along the border, at a fraction of the cost of a wall.

    https://s.newsweek.com/sites/www.newsweek.com/files/styles/embed_tablet/public/2018/03/09/super-monster-wolf.jpg


    Especially if they're smaller, not wolves, but chupacabras.


    http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/wwfeatures/wm/live/624_351/images/live/p0/4d/qd/p04dqdgr.jpg
    , @El Dato
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    Wild Boars Are Taking Over Japan as Population Ages, Disappears
     
    Now I have heard everything.

    More immigration will curtail the boar menace!

    Wild boars, also known as Eurasian wild pigs, have moved in to supplant the shrinking population. In the Iwate Prefecture, authorities caught 94 boars last year, The Washington Post reported. That’s up from just two caught in 2011.
     
    It's an invasion!
  19. Poor Lizzy ,went running in the pasture with kamala ,Bernie and the others and stepped in every cow-pie,must go home now and wash your feet.

  20. @Change that Matters
    I agree there should be financial reparations for Blacks, though I probably disagree with Wigwam Warren about who should pay them.

    Because although members of Worst Culture in the World have obviously benefited from the magical world built by Blacks, it's also evident none of us had a say in our arrival into it.

    But that's not true for recent migrants. Looking at the Land the Slaves Built, its sins shining like the sun, they nonetheless still come, seeking to reap the rich rewards available only because America is founded on the dead bodies of those it exploited. No morally coherant individual could read Ta-Nehisi Paul Coates and still wish to participate in this racist experiment.

    I maintain, therefore, the overwhelming burden of financial reparations falls on those who have, while willfully turning their gaze from Black Suffering, entered the country since 1962. A sliding scale should suffice, with more recent entrants paying the most.

    It's disgusting so many have come to the Very Worst Country in the World, knowing full well its appalling history. The time has come to put things right.

    I stand with Elizabeth White-Eagle and any other right thinking individual who sees what lies plainly before them.

    Replies: @njguy73

    Maybe we should have Between The World And Me translated into various languages and handed out around the world. If that doesn’t keep them out, then no wall will.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @njguy73

    Denizens of the Central African Republic will be horrified that in America a white woman might nudge their five-year-old sons out of the way as they dawdled at the foot of an escalator. Best take one's chances with endless civil war, famine, and disease.

  21. The left is hungry for the first female president, but it seems that this desire causes them to overlook the fact that there isn’t a first-order female political talent in the country that I am aware of. Say what you want about Bill or Barack, but they did have a knack for appearing human, relaxed, possessing a sense of humor and likely being someone you could stand being stuck in an elevator with.

    Hilary, Warren, Kamala, Klobuchar all lack personal warmth, seem to have zero sense of humor, uptight, and only able to communicate via lecture. The only time I have ever heard a female floated as a Democratic nominee that doesn’t fit into that box is Oprah, but she’s smart enough to know that a presidential run is zero fun and would likely be damaging to her reputation and possibly her fortune.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob, sayless
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Arclight


    isn’t a first-order female political talent
     
    It's as you say, but Dems would be happy with a second-rater just for the optics.

    And they have crafted a political machine that almost put Hillary past the post. Next time's the charm.
    , @PhysicistDave
    @Arclight

    Arclight wrote:


    The left is hungry for the first female president, but it seems that this desire causes them to overlook the fact that there isn’t a first-order female political talent in the country that I am aware of.
    ...
    Hilary, Warren, Kamala, Klobuchar all lack personal warmth, seem to have zero sense of humor, uptight, and only able to communicate via lecture.
     
    I really thought Kamala had a shot (so many intersectionality points!), but when she talks without a script there seems to be something wrong with her, much more so than Warren or Klobuchar.

    Which makes me wonder if maybe Tulsi has a chance. I've seen multiple interviews, and she comes across as a relatively sane, normal human being. Yeah, I know she is a liberal too, but a sane liberal is better than a crazy one!

    Replies: @Thea

  22. @Peter Johnson
    The tactic of avoiding answering a question by proposing to instead "have a conversation" about the issues in the question reflects a distinctly feminine cognitive approach. This "have a conversation" tactic treats communication as a method to share one's feelings with those around one, rather than as a method to transmit information. "Having a conversation" usually means sharing one's feelings so that we can modulate our emotional responses agreeably; this avoids dealing with any hard facts or tough-minded analysis and appeals to women much more than men. Of course men can use this tactic too, but it is less natural for them.

    Replies: @Anon, @Trevor H., @Anon7, @Hypnotoad666, @Olorin

    For whatever reason, people under the age of 35 or so can’t seem to understand why I find the phrase “have a conversation” slightly creepy.

    But then they also don’t understand why I don’t trust Google or Microsoft, and why I don’t use Facebook. At least on that last point there are rumblings of a backlash. I hope it gathers steam.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Trevor H.

    Would you like us to get off your lawn now, Gramps?

    Believe it or not, we whippersnappers are not a monolith.

    Now back on topic: I can't blame Warren for answering like she did. She punted it. This is a very touchy topic for leftists. She can't just laugh it off like you or I might want to and say "the last fifty years have been more than enough reparations for you people; if anything, you owe us."

    And obviously coming right out and endorsing direct cash gibs isn't really the safest political move, so she didn't do that.

  23. About reparations, someone does need to tally up the various costs presented over the years by blacks as mentioned upthread with special attention to the costs of ruined cities; and to this must be added the human costs of tens of thousands of lives lost and even more ruined as a result of violent crime at the hands of black people.

    For their own reasons, the people who run the MSM / Entertainment Industry see fit to ignore every one of these things, while at the same time retailing ever more preposterous fantasies about white cruelty. Every bit of which is eagerly lapped up by the brainwashed masses, not all of whom are blacks. Not by a long shot.

  24. If reparations involved a permanent ticket back to Africa there really is no dollar value that would be “too much”. In fact, payments that resulted in the total economic collapse of the United States would be completely worth it, long term. Maybe even medium- or short-term.

  25. OFF TOPIC : A non-White employee of the popular subcontinental 7-Eleven in N. Merrick, LI, NY has come down with a virulent case of Hepatitis A. Free vaccines will be available tomorrow from noon to 4PM and on Monday from 1PM to 6PM at Nassau Community College. Anyone who ordered a BIG GULP between Feb. 1 & March 6 or used the Men’s Room has cause to be concerned.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Detective Club

    Will anti-vaxxers show up?

  26. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna
    Reparations will be like immigration and taxation--something the 'little people' have to deal with.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Prof. Woland

    “But CNN didn’t ask her if we shouldn’t also be having a conversation about reparations for American Indians and how much she ought to get.”

    -I’m wondering when we will FINALLY get around to paying the Muslims here in the US and in Europe reparations for all the problematic headaches they’ve had to endure over 9/11, ISIS, Rotherham, Orlando gay nightclub, etc. There have been untold scores of Islamic attacks against Western civilians, demands to change the West to suit Islamic tastes, etc., and EVERY SINGLE TIME at least a few Westerners have publicly complained about Muslims, which is an annoyance to them. Thankfully our politicians, schools, media, and entertainment have all come out squarely in defense of the Muslims. But this non-institutionalized annoyance is deeply problematic.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Anonymous

    "There have been untold scores of Islamic attacks against Western civilians, demands to change the West to suit Islamic tastes, etc., and EVERY SINGLE TIME at least a few Westerners have publicly complained about Muslims, which is an annoyance to them. "

    Primarily functions of the deep state.

    Even the NYT noticed

    https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html


    But none of late because the CIA and FBI have been too busy trying to unseat the orange man to gin any terrorist attacks up.

  27. Jones-Rogan shadowbanned. Stewart and Jones praise Trump in part.

  28. @JimB
    Haven't blacks already received reparations in the form of welfare, section eight housing, affirmative action hiring, medicaid, education grants, disability payments, and make-work government jobs? All this amounts to about $2.5 million to the descendants of each and every slave living in the US at the time of the civil war.

    Replies: @bomag, @dvorak, @Buffalo Joe

    already received reparations

    Yes, but that’s just walking around money.

    Just wait until numbers are put on paper toward the effort to make them whole.

    Some infinities are larger than others.

  29. Remarkable. We need more Omartians.

  30. Weren’t the Indians, for the most part, paid for their land?

  31. @Peter Johnson
    The tactic of avoiding answering a question by proposing to instead "have a conversation" about the issues in the question reflects a distinctly feminine cognitive approach. This "have a conversation" tactic treats communication as a method to share one's feelings with those around one, rather than as a method to transmit information. "Having a conversation" usually means sharing one's feelings so that we can modulate our emotional responses agreeably; this avoids dealing with any hard facts or tough-minded analysis and appeals to women much more than men. Of course men can use this tactic too, but it is less natural for them.

    Replies: @Anon, @Trevor H., @Anon7, @Hypnotoad666, @Olorin

    Another feminine tactic is “raising awareness”. Women do this, I believe, because they evolved to let men do the dangerous work, or hard physical work, or the tedious work.

    For example, my wife will raise awareness about a light being out in the living room, rather than just getting a f***ing bulb and fixing the problem herself.

    Women build up the idea that the man has vast power to fix any problem: then, by manipulating the man, it is they, the women, who have vast power. This is why women instinctively believe in Socialism: Uncle Sam is the ultimate powerful man who will fix every problem, if you just give him control over everything.

    • Agree: jim jones
  32. Are they having the same “national conversations” in, say, Brazil? For some reason I’m thinking no

  33. Lizzie Borden Warren says she’ll bust up the tech corporations.

    Donald Adelson Trump said he’d reduce legal immigration and deport illegal alien invaders.

    Lizzie Borden Warren and Donald Adelson Trump are dishonest baby boomer treasonous rat whores.

  34. Warren has to preserve her prospects after the DNA fiasco. But Warren knows that if she campaigns on reparations it is a sure loser, so she has to dissemble.

    OTOH I like her ideas about breaking up tech giants. Break-ups are much better than regulation.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Warren was a big early proponent of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. She made all the right noises about 'good government' type protections to help the little guy and protect them from the big evil banks but ended up turning it into nothing more than a scheme to transfer money from functional whites / men taxpayers to social justice organizations who could then in turn, use the money to continue attacking the same people and go after more free benefits. Award-able benefits vs. affordable benefits. In an addition to being a scandal, Coming on the heals of the sub-prime meltdown it was a missed opportunity that could have prevented future bubbles rather than trying to create a second more disastrous one.

  35. Anon[423] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Usually, the case is Trump vs Swamp = Tramp

    But, did Jews fall into the Trump Trap?

    Bush and Obama, even though their policies greatly harmed Muslims, covered their bloody tracks with pro-Muslim rhetoric. So, there was no need for Jews to ally with Muslims or feature them prominently in the discourse.

    But as Trump badmouthed Muslims, Jews decided to elevate Muslims to as an untouchable group who must defended and championed by all ‘good’ people. This led to Muslims as a prominent face of Proggism and also emboldened Muslims to finally emerge from the closet and say their say.

    Big Problem for Jews. Given freedom and pride, Muslims will often defend Palestinians and denounce Zionist war on Muslim nations. But because Jewish Media promoted Muslims as a new holy immigrant-refugee group — even as the New Jews — against Literally Hitler Trump, it’s difficult for Jews to clean the mess when Muslims talk as if Zionists are literally Nazi, esp when Trump the Literal Hitler is full of praise for Jews and Israel. Jews using Muslims against Trump is like a mouse using a cat against a dog. There’s a good chance the cat will turn around and bite the mouse.

    • Agree: indocon
  36. At This Rate, by Next February, Liz Warren Will Personally be Writing a Check to Every Black Voter in South Carolina

    Don’t be silly. Leftist politicians never spend THEIR OWN money on their redistributionist schemes – they have big plans on how to spend YOUR money.

    • Replies: @res
    @Jack D

    But spending donor money to buy black votes in an early D primary is at least plausible. It might even work if not for the likely backlash. Especially if it allowed grandstanding about how to spend 1000x more of your money.

    Remember, spending other people's money is even better when she gets to attach her name to it. Obamacare comes to mind here.

    , @Anon
    @Jack D

    Besides, leftists can't afford it. Big left-wing cities are broke and can't pay their pensions, and the lower half of the left doesn't make enough extra to pay. Leftwing upper-middle class whites are gradually retiring and moving out of high-tax states for low-tax states.

  37. “we need to address it head-on, we need to talk about what the long-term implications of racial discrimination have been, including more recent racial discrimination.”

    Perhaps Liz could pow-wow with some African American Democrats. Seems to come naturally to her, at least 1/1024 of the time.

  38. @JimB
    Haven't blacks already received reparations in the form of welfare, section eight housing, affirmative action hiring, medicaid, education grants, disability payments, and make-work government jobs? All this amounts to about $2.5 million to the descendants of each and every slave living in the US at the time of the civil war.

    Replies: @bomag, @dvorak, @Buffalo Joe

    All this amounts to about $2.5 million to the descendants of each and every slave living in the US at the time of the civil war.

    Adjusted for inflation, how many acres and mules is that in 1865?

    We need a Reparations Clock that displays the running tally of net payments from white to black.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @dvorak

    dvorak, wait, you know who can build that clock? Clock-boy.

    , @Anonymous
    @dvorak

    I worked for a business in Wichita where the Chief Engineer had his employees build a Death Clock showing the total number of people who had ever lived and died on the earth, since 4004 BC when Adam and Eve were created. And yes, they were on the clock when they were building the Clock. He put it in his church, and died a couple of years later.

    We should offer blacks who want it reparations-but they have to emigrate back to a black run country and never come back.

  39. Financial conversation, yes; financial compensation, no. I think there’s something to this. In the same way that the anticipation of a holiday is often greater than the holiday itself, it’s the prospect of reparations that sustains.

  40. But CNN didn’t ask her if we shouldn’t also be having a conversation about reparations for American Indians and how much she ought to get.

    This is just one example of the billions they have already received.

    https://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/politics/american-indian-settlment/index.html

    • Replies: @Hank Yobo
    @Barnard

    The Fifth Article of the 1783 Treaty of Paris was never honored. Perhaps after reparations have been paid to American tribes, descendants of the Loyalists should be next on the list. Blacks should only be given third place on the grievance/reparations totem pole. This should be another effective way to help deplete the U.S. treasury.

  41. Baby Boomer Liz Warren Is Gonna Bust Up The Tech Companies.

    Baby Boomer Donald Adelson Trump Said He’d Reduce Legal Immigration And Deport Illegal Aliens.

    Baby boomer bastards Trump and Warren are dishonest politician whores of the worst sort.

    At least Warren drinks beer — Trumpy is a DRINKWATER bastard who admitted he’d run amok if his lying baby boomer lips touched a drop of beer or booze.

    https://twitter.com/CptBlackPill/status/1104393912188354561

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Charles Pewitt

    Someone has issues with either his parents or his offspring.

    We can just add "Boomer" (whatever that is) to white, male, Christian, "cis-", and the rest, to know whom it is politically correct to crucify at present.

    At least those other demographics are valid identities, which can be defended. "Generations" are just hot air coming from people who read "journalists" who crib from "market researchers".

  42. res says:
    @Jack D

    At This Rate, by Next February, Liz Warren Will Personally be Writing a Check to Every Black Voter in South Carolina
     
    Don't be silly. Leftist politicians never spend THEIR OWN money on their redistributionist schemes - they have big plans on how to spend YOUR money.

    Replies: @res, @Anon

    But spending donor money to buy black votes in an early D primary is at least plausible. It might even work if not for the likely backlash. Especially if it allowed grandstanding about how to spend 1000x more of your money.

    Remember, spending other people’s money is even better when she gets to attach her name to it. Obamacare comes to mind here.

  43. There are 7296.2060463452 drop in a pint. Assuming Pocahantas…..uh Senator Warren has 10 pints, she has 73 drops of Native American blood based on her own DNA test.

  44. Have fun explaining to Chinese / Indians / Hispanics why they should pay reparations to African Americans.

  45. It seems that there is FEAR among the elites in Europe that rising energy costs caused by that great big renewable energy scam will lead to rising populist support!

    EU leaders scramble to lower bills ahead of May elections

    European citizens face higher energy bills this year as wholesale and environmental costs rise, amid fears the issue could boost the populist vote ahead of the May European elections.

    When are Democrats going to learn that taking more of our money for crazy schemes to get the elected will lead to more populism here and get President Trump re-elected and maybe even get Donald Trump Jr elected president!

  46. @Arclight
    The left is hungry for the first female president, but it seems that this desire causes them to overlook the fact that there isn't a first-order female political talent in the country that I am aware of. Say what you want about Bill or Barack, but they did have a knack for appearing human, relaxed, possessing a sense of humor and likely being someone you could stand being stuck in an elevator with.

    Hilary, Warren, Kamala, Klobuchar all lack personal warmth, seem to have zero sense of humor, uptight, and only able to communicate via lecture. The only time I have ever heard a female floated as a Democratic nominee that doesn't fit into that box is Oprah, but she's smart enough to know that a presidential run is zero fun and would likely be damaging to her reputation and possibly her fortune.

    Replies: @bomag, @PhysicistDave

    isn’t a first-order female political talent

    It’s as you say, but Dems would be happy with a second-rater just for the optics.

    And they have crafted a political machine that almost put Hillary past the post. Next time’s the charm.

  47. We should spark conversations about confronting teachable moments.

  48. Trump Has Done Nothing To Stop Internet Censorship.

    Warren Says She’ll Do Something About Out Of Control Technology Corporations.

    Trump And Warren Are Baby Boomer Bastards.

    Kevin MacDonald Is A Somewhat Decent Baby Boomer.

    Since he’s Scottish, he’ll think the impish use of the word “somewhat” to be funny!

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Charles Pewitt

    I really like Warren’s tax and antitrust policy over Koch-Ryanism.

    Open borders, amnesty, reparations, and left wing judges however mean she’s unacceptable.

    Her and Bernie are the lesser evils of the bunch however.

    There is a vaguely Trumpish element to both of them breaking DC corporate centrist taboos.

    Obama of course jacked income tax rates up, but refused to touch taxing capital gains as income or wealth taxes. Like Trump, he was cool with soaking the upper middle class.

    The rich getting richer is highly dysgenic since their conspicuous consumption and housing drives down the fertility of the upper middle class.

    My flat tax proposal: $20k standard exemption, another $20k for spouse and each child under 18, and another $10k bonus for children under 10.

    So a nuclear family with 3 kids under 10 pays no income taxes on the first $130k of income even with no other deductions. With a bit of charitable deductions and IRA/401k contributions, and mortgage interest, they’d really be tax free up to about 160-170k.

    If we have a 30% rate above this, this means a DINK couple making 100k total pays 18k in fed income taxes, but that drops to 9k with one kid and 0 with two kids.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res, @Bill Jones

  49. @JimB
    Haven't blacks already received reparations in the form of welfare, section eight housing, affirmative action hiring, medicaid, education grants, disability payments, and make-work government jobs? All this amounts to about $2.5 million to the descendants of each and every slave living in the US at the time of the civil war.

    Replies: @bomag, @dvorak, @Buffalo Joe

    Jim, My first reparation, gladly given, is free public education. After they have taken advantage of this education by getting a minimum of a HS education we can talk about the next step.

    • Replies: @JimB
    @Buffalo Joe

    If US public HS diplomas were printed on toilet paper, at least they would be good for something.

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe


    Jim, My first reparation, gladly given, is free public education. After they have taken advantage of this education by getting a minimum of a HS education we can talk about the next step.
     
    At most, thirty percent of the US black population is capable of a genuine, 1955 better public high school, HS education. Probably less.

    Fifty percent could get to an honest eighth, maybe ninth, grade, IF the curriculum were broken down and geared to people of their cognition. They should be able to do four function arithmetic, diagram basic sentences, etc.

    That leaves the back half. 35% aren't capable of sixth grade. More than fifteen percent are clinically retarded.

    Incentives to sterilize the bottom decile and to Norplant most inner city girls until they are 18, and to make being a baby daddy really unpleasant for the young bucks, would be helpful.

    As would going back to building our own consumer appliances and clothing/textiles in the US, which would create plenty of jobs properly supervised 80-90 IQ people could do.

    Ultimately this process will produce a different people. Blacks have to decide what road they want to go on and whites have to hold them to it. The alternative is separation, on this continent or their home one.
  50. OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article on SF Gate (San Francisco Chronicle). The SF Chronicle has a new restaurant critic, Soleil Ho, who has a podcast, “The Racist Sandwich.” Ms. Ho will approach the job “by writing about restaurants that tell a story about race, gender, class or social justice, ” …”food appreciation or approbriation,” “The true cost of food and the labor to produce it.” and “How do we make the restaurant industry more equitable,more accesible more just?” Ok, so the next time I’m in a non Italian restaurant that has their “take” on pizza, I’m coming back to picket and protest. Don’t know how to link, but a Google search San Francisco Chronicle new food critic brings up the article. Comments are good too.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buffalo Joe

    Like all restaurant critics, he's just in it for free meals with good service. Get loads of readers with the Social Justice crap, then have the restaurants all antsy about serving him their best very expediently with no tip expected, and it's Bon Apetit, boys!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @AnotherDad
    @Buffalo Joe


    OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article
     
    Thanks for the new word Joe.

    I saw "agita" and thought, i'm not sure i've ever seen that written before. Maybe, maybe not. I could guess what it meant from root and context. Looked it up ... sure 'nough it's a real word. (Apparently one that appeared after my formal schooling and that i somehow hadn't really mapped solidly into my brain.)

    Agita induction is definitely happening to me these days. Though what is usually induced is probably best described not as agita but flat out irritation and anger.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Lot, @Buffalo Joe

  51. @Jason Liu
    You should be cheering the democrats on this reparations thing, it's a great way to lose an election

    Replies: @Neuday, @Anonymous

    I remember cheering the democrats to nominate a terribly shallow and inexperienced narcissist bastard of anti-American parents and with a history of drug abuse, muslim education and Communist leanings who vowed to “fundamentally transform” the country.

  52. @Stan d Mute
    Somehow I have a sense that this conversation will not include the trillions of dollars in welfare transfer payments made to negroes, the trillions in lost wages and economic output incurred by whites as a result of affirmative action, the trillions in damages incurred by whites as a result of negro crime, or the fact that slaves were compensated in food, clothing, housing, and healthcare vastly superior to what they would have received from their African captors prior to sale to American white farmers.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous

    The DNC doesn’t trust her to write checks. She’ll be the designated stamp licker.

  53. Pay each black adult in America, over the age of 60 a flat $100K. Next week show up in the inner city with armed guards and sell flat screen TVs , knock off Louis Vuitton apparell, knock off Rolex watches and spinner rims out of a tractor trailer and you recover most of your payout. Wait a year, change the age requirement, wash, rinse and repeat. Better thought, agree to reparations, set a total pool with a 6 month time frame for all blacks to agree on the amount and the format.

  54. @Buffalo Joe
    OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article on SF Gate (San Francisco Chronicle). The SF Chronicle has a new restaurant critic, Soleil Ho, who has a podcast, "The Racist Sandwich." Ms. Ho will approach the job "by writing about restaurants that tell a story about race, gender, class or social justice, " ..."food appreciation or approbriation," "The true cost of food and the labor to produce it." and "How do we make the restaurant industry more equitable,more accesible more just?" Ok, so the next time I'm in a non Italian restaurant that has their "take" on pizza, I'm coming back to picket and protest. Don't know how to link, but a Google search San Francisco Chronicle new food critic brings up the article. Comments are good too.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad

    Like all restaurant critics, he’s just in it for free meals with good service. Get loads of readers with the Social Justice crap, then have the restaurants all antsy about serving him their best very expediently with no tip expected, and it’s Bon Apetit, boys!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed, Ho is a she. With an alphabet of discriptive letters.

  55. @RobUK
    She was having a conversation about why she wouldn’t answer the question on reparations but avoided it by demanding we have a conversation about reparations.

    Replies: @Bubba, @El Dato

    Typical woman.

  56. @RobUK
    She was having a conversation about why she wouldn’t answer the question on reparations but avoided it by demanding we have a conversation about reparations.

    Replies: @Bubba, @El Dato

    Actually she just wants to “spark” “the conversation”.

    “I’m saying that there are a lot of scholars and a lot of activists who have put multiple proposals on the table. But we’re never going to get to any of those proposals if we don’t with an acknowledgment of the wrong of slavery and the obligation to address it.”

    So:

    Step 1: Acknowledge the obligation to address the wrongs of slavery.
    Step 2: Acknowledge the wrongs of slavery.
    Step 3: Study proposals that have been put on the table by multiple scholars & activists
    Step 4: Spark “The Conversation”
    Step 5: Sit down, talk about our history and the need to address it head-on and long-term implications of racial discrimination including more recent racial discrimination.
    Step 6: Saved by the bell or the race war, whatever comes first.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @El Dato

    El, Nicely stated. Then throw out a figure, tell blacks to assemble a committee of six to determine who gets what and when. Give them 6 months to formulate this and sit back and laugh.

  57. The sanctuary cities concept has seemed to be embraced and accepted by the left, elites, media, academia, wall street, deep state. Of course that concept could come from the other direction – at the sanctuary county level, sanctuary states, sanctuary…… regions. You can’t lead those who won’t follow.

  58. Kinda early to be pandering to Blacks for votes, I’ve heard they have a really short memory.

  59. @Buffalo Joe
    @JimB

    Jim, My first reparation, gladly given, is free public education. After they have taken advantage of this education by getting a minimum of a HS education we can talk about the next step.

    Replies: @JimB, @Anonymous

    If US public HS diplomas were printed on toilet paper, at least they would be good for something.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @JimB

    Only toilet paper made from recycled pulp, then:

    U.S. plush toilet paper use wiping out Canada's forests, flushing away the future: report The report gave failing grades to the leading toilet paper, tissue and paper towel brands for using only virgin fibre pulp, mostly from Canada’s old boreal forests

    I don't know how far rape-capitalist idiocy can go, but it can go pretty far apparently.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JimB

  60. Hail says: • Website

    In on the ‘Reparations’ hustle:

    __________________

    MJ Lee (a.k.a. Ming Jung Lee)
    – born circa 1986 in South Kora
    – raised in Hong Kong
    – graduate of Georgetown University (2009), majors: Government and Chinese
    married to Alex Burns (Harvard, 2008) of the New York Times

    _________________

    What could go wrong?

  61. Hail says: • Website

    In an interview with CNN in Harlem […] Warren was asked three times whether she supports money being given to Americans who can trace their roots to slavery

    Has some tribunal decided to eliminate the English grammatical form of reported speech whereby the above should be “whether she supported“?

    Lax CNN editing? (With CNN ad revenue falling, maybe they are outsourcing the jobs native English speakers just won’t do [at x pay].)

    (Note: Aspersions on a South Korean’s English ability, not cast.)

  62. @Peter Johnson
    The tactic of avoiding answering a question by proposing to instead "have a conversation" about the issues in the question reflects a distinctly feminine cognitive approach. This "have a conversation" tactic treats communication as a method to share one's feelings with those around one, rather than as a method to transmit information. "Having a conversation" usually means sharing one's feelings so that we can modulate our emotional responses agreeably; this avoids dealing with any hard facts or tough-minded analysis and appeals to women much more than men. Of course men can use this tactic too, but it is less natural for them.

    Replies: @Anon, @Trevor H., @Anon7, @Hypnotoad666, @Olorin

    The tactic of avoiding answering a question by proposing to instead “have a conversation” about the issues in the question reflects a distinctly feminine cognitive approach

    This is true.

    Every man who’s ever had a fight with his wife should know that, above any specific outcome, women crave a psychological sense that they have been heard and understood – even if they don’t understand themselves.

    This was very much on display at the Women’s March in 2017.

    WOMAN’S MARCHER: We are marching so that our message will be heard!

    OBSERVER: And what is your message?

    WOMAN’S MARCHER: That we need to be heard!

    OBSERVER: Ok, we hear that. Anything else?

    WOMAN’S MARCHER: No, that’s pretty much it. Do you like my hat?

    • Agree: Peter Johnson
  63. ” if we don’t with an acknowledgment of the wrong of slavery and the obligation to address it.” ”

    I know!

    What if we just made slavery illegal?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Bill Jones

    Bill, Kamala and Booker crafting that bill as soon as they are done with their field chores.

  64. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan d Mute
    Somehow I have a sense that this conversation will not include the trillions of dollars in welfare transfer payments made to negroes, the trillions in lost wages and economic output incurred by whites as a result of affirmative action, the trillions in damages incurred by whites as a result of negro crime, or the fact that slaves were compensated in food, clothing, housing, and healthcare vastly superior to what they would have received from their African captors prior to sale to American white farmers.

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @Anonymous

    Exactly. Nor that only a small pct of whites at the time owned slaves, that blacks and native Americans owned slaves, that there were large numbers of white indentured sevants who were essentially slaves but treated worse, that many whites in the US were descended from people who weren’t even in the US at the time, and increasing numbers of blacks are of recent US ancestry as well; that slavery was never a US institution- it was private slave trading ( so why are we talking about payments from the govt?); that no one alive owned or was a slave; and the role of Muslims in the slave trade (including white slavery). I’m sure there’s even more but that’s just a few extra points off the top of my head.

    And I’d love to hear a ‘conversation’ on the Tribe’s role in all of these things.

  65. Who’s this “we” to whom she keeps referring? The members of her Chimera Band of the Chameleon Clan of the Undetectable Fraction tribe?

  66. Democrats are working to stitch up black support early (it’s why Biden is a factor in the race despite limited SWPL enthusiasm for “Uncle Joe”). Warren seems to be avoiding them and trying to go for Bernie bro-style socialists, the kind who think there are too many kinds of deodorant, with the calls to break up Amazon, Facebook, and Google.

  67. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr McKenna
    Reparations will be like immigration and taxation--something the 'little people' have to deal with.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Prof. Woland

    As far as I’m concerned I’m already more than paying my ‘reparations’ by putting up with having them in our society. God knows they contribute far less than they take, they’re a constant headache daily to live around, they constantly demand unearned privileges, they turn peaceful, prosperous white cities into tax-draining dangerous pest holes- they’re a huge drain on our country.

  68. OT: February article about Pablo Gomez (They): https://womenarehuman.com/transgender-uni-student-accused-of-stabbing-two-women-a-stranger-a-friend-killing-one-pablo-gomez/

    Does anyone know what happened with his court appearance scheduled for February 8th?

  69. @Buffalo Joe
    OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article on SF Gate (San Francisco Chronicle). The SF Chronicle has a new restaurant critic, Soleil Ho, who has a podcast, "The Racist Sandwich." Ms. Ho will approach the job "by writing about restaurants that tell a story about race, gender, class or social justice, " ..."food appreciation or approbriation," "The true cost of food and the labor to produce it." and "How do we make the restaurant industry more equitable,more accesible more just?" Ok, so the next time I'm in a non Italian restaurant that has their "take" on pizza, I'm coming back to picket and protest. Don't know how to link, but a Google search San Francisco Chronicle new food critic brings up the article. Comments are good too.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @AnotherDad

    OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article

    Thanks for the new word Joe.

    I saw “agita” and thought, i’m not sure i’ve ever seen that written before. Maybe, maybe not. I could guess what it meant from root and context. Looked it up … sure ‘nough it’s a real word. (Apparently one that appeared after my formal schooling and that i somehow hadn’t really mapped solidly into my brain.)

    Agita induction is definitely happening to me these days. Though what is usually induced is probably best described not as agita but flat out irritation and anger.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @AnotherDad


    OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article
     
    … and, speaking of and ...

    The collective noun for Obama supporters should be &, as in an ampersand of Obama supporters.

    Tried to think of a collective noun for Warren supporters, but realized that would be redundant.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @J.Ross

    , @Lot
    @AnotherDad

    I think “agita” is limited to Italian Americans and those who live near them. I have only heard it on TV and possibly by Long Islander Derb.

    Romance languages like to say people “have” something where English would use an adjective.

    So in Italian, Ho agita - I have agitation v I’m agitated.

    Spanish: Tengo hambre: I have hunger v English: I’m hungry.

    You can say in Spanish I’m hungry using an adjective: Estoy hambriento. But it would sound as awkward as “I have hunger” in English.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @AnotherDad

    Another, Agita is a term that Italians use to describe real stomach upset or things that annoy you. We shorten it and simply say..."No thanks on the peppers, they give me ahg."

  70. Anonymous [AKA "Nat Cole"] says:

    In this case, I seriously don’t think Warren’s remarks should be ascribed to stupidity.

    Think it through.

    1. Democrats MUST get majority vote from blacks. If they don’t, Dems currently have no chance of electing the President, congressmen, or senators. Losing that constituency is out of the question, if the democrats are to survive. Without the black majority vote, Dems are reduced to being hecklers. It’s kind of amazing, but it’s true. It really is the elephant in the room that most people aren’t noticing, much less talking about, but dem leaders must know this.

    2. Candice Owens is on a national spree to turn blacks back to the Republican Party. Recently, she’s begun her own talk show, on YouTube, via Prager University. I don’t know how many blacks are flipping, but I’m willing to bet, even if it’s not yet statistically significant enough to make a real difference now, it’s probably remarkable, at this point. There are quite a few other black folks with newly discovered conservative views providing commentary on current events via YouTube, with a surprising number of subscribers. A lot of those subscribers are black. When dem leaders look at Candice Owens’ subscriber count on YouTube, and others, they’re doing the math, and they likely don’t like what they see.

    Enough so that they have decided that free money via “slave reparations” should be an important debate topic, going into 2020.

    Warren isn’t being an idiot in this case. She’s just doing what’s been agreed upon, to keep the field slaves picking cotton for the likes of her, and the house slave happy and safe. A party tradition going back hundreds of years.

    Blacks with an inbred slave mentality prefer it, and Dems with their inbred thirst for power over their lessers mentality LOVE it!

    Too many blacks loved the slave life. Many, many of them are still around, regardless of their economic station.

    Whoopi Goldberg is a devoted slave, loves her Massa’s like family, and will NEVER leave the plantation. Warren’s rhetoric gives po’ slaves in Chucago’s south side hope, and makes house slaves like Whoopi, or Sharpton, or Lemon, or whomever, feel safe.

    In this case, Warren knows what she’s doing.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anonymous

    Unfortunately, as long as the left offers blacks free stuff, they'll always get the black vote. Republicans want blacks to work for their stuff like normal people. But blacks will never have the high-IQ or skills to earn much money. This means blacks are locked into the left forever. What we need is to push for sterilizing anyone on welfare. That's the only way out of this problem. We need to get the numbers of blacks down so they're no longer a significant voting block.

  71. “Liz, can I have a pony?”

    “I think we should talk about it. Have a conversation.”

    “We are talking about it. This is a conversation. Can I have a pony?”

    “A lot of activists and scholars have ideas, that need to be discussed.”

    “Okay, but do I end up with a pony?”

    “It’s so important that we get together and confront this question, a national conversation. So we can move forward. Look at the question head on.”

    “Bitch, do I get a pony or not???”

  72. Lot says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Trump Has Done Nothing To Stop Internet Censorship.

    Warren Says She'll Do Something About Out Of Control Technology Corporations.

    Trump And Warren Are Baby Boomer Bastards.

    Kevin MacDonald Is A Somewhat Decent Baby Boomer.

    Since he's Scottish, he'll think the impish use of the word "somewhat" to be funny!

    https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/1104399201985691648

    Replies: @Lot

    I really like Warren’s tax and antitrust policy over Koch-Ryanism.

    Open borders, amnesty, reparations, and left wing judges however mean she’s unacceptable.

    Her and Bernie are the lesser evils of the bunch however.

    There is a vaguely Trumpish element to both of them breaking DC corporate centrist taboos.

    Obama of course jacked income tax rates up, but refused to touch taxing capital gains as income or wealth taxes. Like Trump, he was cool with soaking the upper middle class.

    The rich getting richer is highly dysgenic since their conspicuous consumption and housing drives down the fertility of the upper middle class.

    My flat tax proposal: $20k standard exemption, another $20k for spouse and each child under 18, and another $10k bonus for children under 10.

    So a nuclear family with 3 kids under 10 pays no income taxes on the first $130k of income even with no other deductions. With a bit of charitable deductions and IRA/401k contributions, and mortgage interest, they’d really be tax free up to about 160-170k.

    If we have a 30% rate above this, this means a DINK couple making 100k total pays 18k in fed income taxes, but that drops to 9k with one kid and 0 with two kids.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Lot

    While we’re at it, why not start factoring cost of living into this? $50k salary in Arkansas will allow you to afford payments on a decent home and yard that you own in the end; in Manhattan it would let you rent a run-down studio apt in Harlem. But the fed govt pretends there’s no difference. They’re taxing phantom wages. Just as the govt set up taxes such that the wealthier pay more, a cost of living adjustment seems to naturally follow. It would be super easy to implement, especially considering that most people (or their accountants) are using tax software to figure out their taxes.

    , @res
    @Lot

    Any idea how close to revenue neutral that would be?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Bill Jones
    @Lot

    No itemized deductions. Why subsidize Adelson's bribes to congress?
    Why drive house prices higher and subsidize those stupid enough to live in high tax jurisdictions or where zoning ordinances drive up house prices.
    Why subsidize realtors?

  73. @AnotherDad
    @Buffalo Joe


    OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article
     
    Thanks for the new word Joe.

    I saw "agita" and thought, i'm not sure i've ever seen that written before. Maybe, maybe not. I could guess what it meant from root and context. Looked it up ... sure 'nough it's a real word. (Apparently one that appeared after my formal schooling and that i somehow hadn't really mapped solidly into my brain.)

    Agita induction is definitely happening to me these days. Though what is usually induced is probably best described not as agita but flat out irritation and anger.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Lot, @Buffalo Joe

    OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article

    … and, speaking of and …

    The collective noun for Obama supporters should be &, as in an ampersand of Obama supporters.

    Tried to think of a collective noun for Warren supporters, but realized that would be redundant.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @James Speaks

    James, that play on words is clever.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    , @J.Ross
    @James Speaks

    I support all excuses to use the word ampersand more often, and as for Warren's tribe, obviously that should be a war council.
    Be nice if we connect it to Pontiac's fire raft. Pontiac assembled one of the largest coalitions of angry red men to date and attempted to attack a British-held fort that overlooked water with an innovation (for Americans), a large raft with a huge fire built on deck. Fire ships were known to Europeans but I cannot imagine that anybody white gave Pontiac instructions: it was for him an invention.
    The raft drifted to the fort, then harmlessly past it. Perfect illustration of Warren's heap big medicine.

    Replies: @James Speaks

  74. I’m starting to think that Warren is even dumber than Hillary. I hope she wins the Dem primary.

  75. Lot says:

    Amusing article about Israel’s ultra-nationalist libertarian MK:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Feiglin

    Privatize and distribute state land, legalize weed, expel the Arabs! He’s done much better for himself than US libertarians, who need to learn their appeal is limited to orderly high IQ populations.

    Some highlights:

    Feiglin ran a company that used rope rappelling in the construction industry

    Feiglin has been on public record supporting the transfer of those Arab citizens of Israel who do not accept Jewish sovereignty over the state. This emigration would be encouraged with financial incentives.

    In the 14 August 2007 primaries, Feiglin nearly doubled his previous showing and received 23.4% of the votes to Netanyahu’s 72.8%. Netanyahu, fearing a strong showing by Feiglin, tried to have him ousted from the party prior to the vote

    Feiglin wrote: “Liberty means fighting against coercion of all kinds; religious, anti-religious, economic, cultural, educational, and more. Liberty means allocating state land to the citizen. It means privatization of government firms to the public, and not to core shareholders
    It means a gradual transfer to a professional volunteer army. Liberty means prohibiting biometric data bases or any other type of human designation. There is no difference in principle between sophisticated biological marking and tattooing an ID number; both turn our identities into the property of a third party. In both, we lose our freedom.

    He is against religious coercion and the establishment of religious political parties. He has come out against legislation such as the Chametz Law, which forbids selling leavened products on the Passover Holiday

    He is also a proponent of the civil marriage initiative in Israel which would allow any Israeli citizen to marry without a religious cleric

    Feiglin has advocated removing the Jerusalem Islamic Waqf’s control over the entire al-Aqsa complex, and suggested a synagogue should be established on the Temple Mount. [Lot note: Up to here I agree, but this would actually be a really bad idea and provoke and unite Israel’s enemies. Hopefully he realizes this and this is just red meat for his base or trolling]

    “It appears that the Israeli Arabs identify with our enemies. There are laws in this country that deal with treason and they should be applied when required. If Israeli Arabs are found helping our enemies, they should be stripped of their citizenship. In addition, if they are citizens, they should not be exempt from paying taxes; they should serve in the IDF, or at least in Sherut Le’umi, the National Service. . . . .If they are against us, we must make every effort to ensure that they leave. If they collaborate with our enemy, they must be removed.”

    “Since their establishment, the Arab states have produced nothing but poverty, suffering, wars – and fantastic wealth for their leaders.”

    “We all know that most of the fires in Israel are caused by arson. Arson perpetrated by Arabs. Not by nut-jobs, not by criminals. Arson motivated by nationalism. Arson by Arab citizens of Israel. … Wherever the Arab goes, he brings the desert with him. … There is not and there never will be democracy in the Arab states – and their economies will never flourish. Israel produces more than all its neighbors combined. That is not because we are extremely industrious. It is because true economic vitality cannot exist in a culture of robbery. … Arab culture is anti-productive. It has no good and bad, only strong and weak.”

    “Feiglin is banned from entering the United Kingdom due to a decision by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, made public in March 2008, excluding Feiglin on the grounds that his presence in the country “would not be conducive to the public good”

    Feiglin referred to U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden as a “diseased leper” in a 2010 op-ed

    “This may be one of the reasons why marijuana is illegal. God owns the patent on cannabis, and the large pharmaceutical companies do not appreciate such an intervention in their market”

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Lot

    We care. We really care.

  76. Anonymous [AKA "babel"] says:

    Without the nourishing of the Racial Industrial Complex, there is no functional Democratic Party.

  77. But CNN didn’t ask her if we shouldn’t also be having a conversation about reparations for American Indians and how much she ought to get.

    Whatever actual Indigenous Americans get, she no doubt gets to scalp 1/1,024th of each person’s share.

    As for Slave Reparations, since none of the current claimants or their parents or grandparents could possibly have been slaves, maybe we should require them to submit to a period of hard slavery to earn into the benefit.

  78. Lot says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Buffalo Joe


    OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article
     
    Thanks for the new word Joe.

    I saw "agita" and thought, i'm not sure i've ever seen that written before. Maybe, maybe not. I could guess what it meant from root and context. Looked it up ... sure 'nough it's a real word. (Apparently one that appeared after my formal schooling and that i somehow hadn't really mapped solidly into my brain.)

    Agita induction is definitely happening to me these days. Though what is usually induced is probably best described not as agita but flat out irritation and anger.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Lot, @Buffalo Joe

    I think “agita” is limited to Italian Americans and those who live near them. I have only heard it on TV and possibly by Long Islander Derb.

    Romance languages like to say people “have” something where English would use an adjective.

    So in Italian, Ho agita – I have agitation v I’m agitated.

    Spanish: Tengo hambre: I have hunger v English: I’m hungry.

    You can say in Spanish I’m hungry using an adjective: Estoy hambriento. But it would sound as awkward as “I have hunger” in English.

  79. @JimB
    @Buffalo Joe

    If US public HS diplomas were printed on toilet paper, at least they would be good for something.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Only toilet paper made from recycled pulp, then:

    U.S. plush toilet paper use wiping out Canada’s forests, flushing away the future: report The report gave failing grades to the leading toilet paper, tissue and paper towel brands for using only virgin fibre pulp, mostly from Canada’s old boreal forests

    I don’t know how far rape-capitalist idiocy can go, but it can go pretty far apparently.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @El Dato

    El Dato, I cry BS. We fly over the Taiga region of Canada, Northern Ontario, on our way up north to fish. They clear cut and replant constantly. The spruce trees in the boreal forrests are so shallow rooted that strong breezes topple then constantly. Use a tall tree as a slight line to mark a good fishing spot and it is down after an over night wind. Most, if not all, forrest product producers replant immediately and constantly. Trees are a crop.

    , @JimB
    @El Dato

    I request a two-ply diploma with Glade scent.

  80. @dvorak
    @JimB


    All this amounts to about $2.5 million to the descendants of each and every slave living in the US at the time of the civil war.
     
    Adjusted for inflation, how many acres and mules is that in 1865?

    We need a Reparations Clock that displays the running tally of net payments from white to black.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous

    dvorak, wait, you know who can build that clock? Clock-boy.

  81. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Buffalo Joe

    Like all restaurant critics, he's just in it for free meals with good service. Get loads of readers with the Social Justice crap, then have the restaurants all antsy about serving him their best very expediently with no tip expected, and it's Bon Apetit, boys!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Achmed, Ho is a she. With an alphabet of discriptive letters.

  82. @El Dato
    @RobUK

    Actually she just wants to "spark" "the conversation".


    “I’m saying that there are a lot of scholars and a lot of activists who have put multiple proposals on the table. But we’re never going to get to any of those proposals if we don’t with an acknowledgment of the wrong of slavery and the obligation to address it.”
     
    So:

    Step 1: Acknowledge the obligation to address the wrongs of slavery.
    Step 2: Acknowledge the wrongs of slavery.
    Step 3: Study proposals that have been put on the table by multiple scholars & activists
    Step 4: Spark "The Conversation"
    Step 5: Sit down, talk about our history and the need to address it head-on and long-term implications of racial discrimination including more recent racial discrimination.
    Step 6: Saved by the bell or the race war, whatever comes first.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    El, Nicely stated. Then throw out a figure, tell blacks to assemble a committee of six to determine who gets what and when. Give them 6 months to formulate this and sit back and laugh.

  83. @Lot
    https://5pillarsuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/moshe.jpg

    Amusing article about Israel’s ultra-nationalist libertarian MK:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Feiglin

    Privatize and distribute state land, legalize weed, expel the Arabs! He’s done much better for himself than US libertarians, who need to learn their appeal is limited to orderly high IQ populations.

    Some highlights:

    Feiglin ran a company that used rope rappelling in the construction industry

    Feiglin has been on public record supporting the transfer of those Arab citizens of Israel who do not accept Jewish sovereignty over the state. This emigration would be encouraged with financial incentives.

    In the 14 August 2007 primaries, Feiglin nearly doubled his previous showing and received 23.4% of the votes to Netanyahu's 72.8%. Netanyahu, fearing a strong showing by Feiglin, tried to have him ousted from the party prior to the vote

    Feiglin wrote: "Liberty means fighting against coercion of all kinds; religious, anti-religious, economic, cultural, educational, and more. Liberty means allocating state land to the citizen. It means privatization of government firms to the public, and not to core shareholders
    It means a gradual transfer to a professional volunteer army. Liberty means prohibiting biometric data bases or any other type of human designation. There is no difference in principle between sophisticated biological marking and tattooing an ID number; both turn our identities into the property of a third party. In both, we lose our freedom.

    He is against religious coercion and the establishment of religious political parties. He has come out against legislation such as the Chametz Law, which forbids selling leavened products on the Passover Holiday

    He is also a proponent of the civil marriage initiative in Israel which would allow any Israeli citizen to marry without a religious cleric

    Feiglin has advocated removing the Jerusalem Islamic Waqf's control over the entire al-Aqsa complex, and suggested a synagogue should be established on the Temple Mount. [Lot note: Up to here I agree, but this would actually be a really bad idea and provoke and unite Israel’s enemies. Hopefully he realizes this and this is just red meat for his base or trolling]

    “It appears that the Israeli Arabs identify with our enemies. There are laws in this country that deal with treason and they should be applied when required. If Israeli Arabs are found helping our enemies, they should be stripped of their citizenship. In addition, if they are citizens, they should not be exempt from paying taxes; they should serve in the IDF, or at least in Sherut Le'umi, the National Service. . . . .If they are against us, we must make every effort to ensure that they leave. If they collaborate with our enemy, they must be removed.”

    “Since their establishment, the Arab states have produced nothing but poverty, suffering, wars - and fantastic wealth for their leaders."

    “We all know that most of the fires in Israel are caused by arson. Arson perpetrated by Arabs. Not by nut-jobs, not by criminals. Arson motivated by nationalism. Arson by Arab citizens of Israel. ... Wherever the Arab goes, he brings the desert with him. ... There is not and there never will be democracy in the Arab states - and their economies will never flourish. Israel produces more than all its neighbors combined. That is not because we are extremely industrious. It is because true economic vitality cannot exist in a culture of robbery. ... Arab culture is anti-productive. It has no good and bad, only strong and weak.”

    “Feiglin is banned from entering the United Kingdom due to a decision by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, made public in March 2008, excluding Feiglin on the grounds that his presence in the country "would not be conducive to the public good"

    Feiglin referred to U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden as a "diseased leper" in a 2010 op-ed

    “This may be one of the reasons why marijuana is illegal. God owns the patent on cannabis, and the large pharmaceutical companies do not appreciate such an intervention in their market”

    Replies: @James Speaks

    We care. We really care.

  84. @Bill Jones
    " if we don’t with an acknowledgment of the wrong of slavery and the obligation to address it.” "

    I know!

    What if we just made slavery illegal?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Bill, Kamala and Booker crafting that bill as soon as they are done with their field chores.

  85. Asked one more time whether she supports financial payment, Warren responded: “I’m saying that there are a lot of scholars and a lot of activists who have put multiple proposals on the table. But we’re never going to get to any of those proposals if we don’t with an acknowledgment of the wrong of slavery and the obligation to address it.”

    Is she saying that there is somebody in America in the Current Year who does not acknowledge that slavery was wrong?

    This is like a politician saying “Call me a maverick if you will, but I just can’t escape the belief that setting fire to puppies is wrong!”

  86. Anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    @Charles Pewitt

    I really like Warren’s tax and antitrust policy over Koch-Ryanism.

    Open borders, amnesty, reparations, and left wing judges however mean she’s unacceptable.

    Her and Bernie are the lesser evils of the bunch however.

    There is a vaguely Trumpish element to both of them breaking DC corporate centrist taboos.

    Obama of course jacked income tax rates up, but refused to touch taxing capital gains as income or wealth taxes. Like Trump, he was cool with soaking the upper middle class.

    The rich getting richer is highly dysgenic since their conspicuous consumption and housing drives down the fertility of the upper middle class.

    My flat tax proposal: $20k standard exemption, another $20k for spouse and each child under 18, and another $10k bonus for children under 10.

    So a nuclear family with 3 kids under 10 pays no income taxes on the first $130k of income even with no other deductions. With a bit of charitable deductions and IRA/401k contributions, and mortgage interest, they’d really be tax free up to about 160-170k.

    If we have a 30% rate above this, this means a DINK couple making 100k total pays 18k in fed income taxes, but that drops to 9k with one kid and 0 with two kids.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res, @Bill Jones

    While we’re at it, why not start factoring cost of living into this? $50k salary in Arkansas will allow you to afford payments on a decent home and yard that you own in the end; in Manhattan it would let you rent a run-down studio apt in Harlem. But the fed govt pretends there’s no difference. They’re taxing phantom wages. Just as the govt set up taxes such that the wealthier pay more, a cost of living adjustment seems to naturally follow. It would be super easy to implement, especially considering that most people (or their accountants) are using tax software to figure out their taxes.

  87. Why not vote YangGang and have him write a 1k check to you, Steve?

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Jack Hanson

    Looking forward to this retarded meme spread by lazy decadent NEETs and pathetic adjunct “professors” making 19k a year to die.

    It was amusing for a few days, but some are not meant to last.

    Is the point to just have him turn the Dem primary debates into a joke? That’s going to happen anyway.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  88. @AnotherDad
    @Buffalo Joe


    OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article
     
    Thanks for the new word Joe.

    I saw "agita" and thought, i'm not sure i've ever seen that written before. Maybe, maybe not. I could guess what it meant from root and context. Looked it up ... sure 'nough it's a real word. (Apparently one that appeared after my formal schooling and that i somehow hadn't really mapped solidly into my brain.)

    Agita induction is definitely happening to me these days. Though what is usually induced is probably best described not as agita but flat out irritation and anger.

    Replies: @James Speaks, @Lot, @Buffalo Joe

    Another, Agita is a term that Italians use to describe real stomach upset or things that annoy you. We shorten it and simply say…”No thanks on the peppers, they give me ahg.”

  89. @James Speaks
    @AnotherDad


    OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article
     
    … and, speaking of and ...

    The collective noun for Obama supporters should be &, as in an ampersand of Obama supporters.

    Tried to think of a collective noun for Warren supporters, but realized that would be redundant.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @J.Ross

    James, that play on words is clever.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Buffalo Joe

    Thank you for noticing. And, to top it off, should she even be drinking beer, what with her Native American DNA and all?

  90. @El Dato
    @JimB

    Only toilet paper made from recycled pulp, then:

    U.S. plush toilet paper use wiping out Canada's forests, flushing away the future: report The report gave failing grades to the leading toilet paper, tissue and paper towel brands for using only virgin fibre pulp, mostly from Canada’s old boreal forests

    I don't know how far rape-capitalist idiocy can go, but it can go pretty far apparently.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JimB

    El Dato, I cry BS. We fly over the Taiga region of Canada, Northern Ontario, on our way up north to fish. They clear cut and replant constantly. The spruce trees in the boreal forrests are so shallow rooted that strong breezes topple then constantly. Use a tall tree as a slight line to mark a good fishing spot and it is down after an over night wind. Most, if not all, forrest product producers replant immediately and constantly. Trees are a crop.

  91. Elizabeth Warren isn’t even as woke on reparations as conservatives like New York Times columnist David Brooks. Looks like dems are the real racists now.

  92. The solution to reparations, if it needed one, is to let blacks propose what they want and who gets it. No imput from whites. Let them determine the committee memebrs, the rules and all else. Check back in a few years to see how they are doing . NOW CASE IN POINT: years ago I set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio at the downtown Lock 3 venue. The festival was Friday night, all day Saturday and Sunday. We would arrive on Wednesday to start our prep work. One year Lebron James had the park for a Thursday event sponsored by The James Family Foundation. Inner city kids had attended a summer program stressing schooling and the need not to drop out of school. All the kids were invited to a picnic in the park with hamburgers, hot dogs, mac and potato salad, cake and ice cream. Each child would receive a HP lap top and a mountain bike! Each child had to be accompanied by a parent or guardian and bring proof of ID and address. What a cluster fuck. I remember one young white SJW who was trying to help out crying because she was being screamed at and one woman yelling she wanted her money back. What money? Everything was free. Hours into it they cancelled the picnic and announced bikes and laptops would be delivered to the addresses on file. Bikes and laptops for sale on street corners the next week. I mean it. Let them run the whole thing.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Buffalo Joe

    Black girls don’t like riding bikes very much.

    It was a cultural shock when I came to California and encountered normal white people who don’t know how to ride a bike. In my suburban upbringing normal families always taught their 5 or 6 year olds to ride.

    Kids left their bikes on the front lawn unlocked, but bike theft was also unheard of.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    years ago I set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio
     
    Two homesick Buffalonians in Akron started Buffalo Wild Wings. One married the venture capitalist's daughter (smart move, it seems) and now HQ is in her state of Minnesota. And BWW is everywhere.

    Joe, you coulda been a contender!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    , @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    Akron has a Burger Festival each year, which I'm sure tweaks militant vegetarian Chrissie Hynde no end. I've never been to it but it looks like fun.

    https://hamburgerfestival.com/

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  93. @Jack D

    At This Rate, by Next February, Liz Warren Will Personally be Writing a Check to Every Black Voter in South Carolina
     
    Don't be silly. Leftist politicians never spend THEIR OWN money on their redistributionist schemes - they have big plans on how to spend YOUR money.

    Replies: @res, @Anon

    Besides, leftists can’t afford it. Big left-wing cities are broke and can’t pay their pensions, and the lower half of the left doesn’t make enough extra to pay. Leftwing upper-middle class whites are gradually retiring and moving out of high-tax states for low-tax states.

  94. Lot says:
    @Jack Hanson
    Why not vote YangGang and have him write a 1k check to you, Steve?

    Replies: @Lot

    Looking forward to this retarded meme spread by lazy decadent NEETs and pathetic adjunct “professors” making 19k a year to die.

    It was amusing for a few days, but some are not meant to last.

    Is the point to just have him turn the Dem primary debates into a joke? That’s going to happen anyway.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Lot

    When you adopt this prissy, hectoring tone its pretty obvious that you're wound up about something.

    But because you don't get it doesn't mean its not effective, mon amie.

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lot


    Looking forward to this retarded meme spread by lazy decadent NEETs and pathetic adjunct “professors” making 19k a year to die.
     
    Sailer is king of the NEETs and I want him to get his YangBucks.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hail, @Lot

  95. Anon[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    In this case, I seriously don’t think Warren's remarks should be ascribed to stupidity.

    Think it through.

    1. Democrats MUST get majority vote from blacks. If they don’t, Dems currently have no chance of electing the President, congressmen, or senators. Losing that constituency is out of the question, if the democrats are to survive. Without the black majority vote, Dems are reduced to being hecklers. It’s kind of amazing, but it’s true. It really is the elephant in the room that most people aren’t noticing, much less talking about, but dem leaders must know this.

    2. Candice Owens is on a national spree to turn blacks back to the Republican Party. Recently, she’s begun her own talk show, on YouTube, via Prager University. I don’t know how many blacks are flipping, but I’m willing to bet, even if it’s not yet statistically significant enough to make a real difference now, it’s probably remarkable, at this point. There are quite a few other black folks with newly discovered conservative views providing commentary on current events via YouTube, with a surprising number of subscribers. A lot of those subscribers are black. When dem leaders look at Candice Owens' subscriber count on YouTube, and others, they’re doing the math, and they likely don’t like what they see.

    Enough so that they have decided that free money via "slave reparations" should be an important debate topic, going into 2020.

    Warren isn’t being an idiot in this case. She’s just doing what’s been agreed upon, to keep the field slaves picking cotton for the likes of her, and the house slave happy and safe. A party tradition going back hundreds of years.

    Blacks with an inbred slave mentality prefer it, and Dems with their inbred thirst for power over their lessers mentality LOVE it!

    Too many blacks loved the slave life. Many, many of them are still around, regardless of their economic station.

    Whoopi Goldberg is a devoted slave, loves her Massa's like family, and will NEVER leave the plantation. Warren's rhetoric gives po' slaves in Chucago's south side hope, and makes house slaves like Whoopi, or Sharpton, or Lemon, or whomever, feel safe.

    In this case, Warren knows what she’s doing.

    Replies: @Anon

    Unfortunately, as long as the left offers blacks free stuff, they’ll always get the black vote. Republicans want blacks to work for their stuff like normal people. But blacks will never have the high-IQ or skills to earn much money. This means blacks are locked into the left forever. What we need is to push for sterilizing anyone on welfare. That’s the only way out of this problem. We need to get the numbers of blacks down so they’re no longer a significant voting block.

  96. Lot says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    The solution to reparations, if it needed one, is to let blacks propose what they want and who gets it. No imput from whites. Let them determine the committee memebrs, the rules and all else. Check back in a few years to see how they are doing . NOW CASE IN POINT: years ago I set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio at the downtown Lock 3 venue. The festival was Friday night, all day Saturday and Sunday. We would arrive on Wednesday to start our prep work. One year Lebron James had the park for a Thursday event sponsored by The James Family Foundation. Inner city kids had attended a summer program stressing schooling and the need not to drop out of school. All the kids were invited to a picnic in the park with hamburgers, hot dogs, mac and potato salad, cake and ice cream. Each child would receive a HP lap top and a mountain bike! Each child had to be accompanied by a parent or guardian and bring proof of ID and address. What a cluster fuck. I remember one young white SJW who was trying to help out crying because she was being screamed at and one woman yelling she wanted her money back. What money? Everything was free. Hours into it they cancelled the picnic and announced bikes and laptops would be delivered to the addresses on file. Bikes and laptops for sale on street corners the next week. I mean it. Let them run the whole thing.

    Replies: @Lot, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    Black girls don’t like riding bikes very much.

    It was a cultural shock when I came to California and encountered normal white people who don’t know how to ride a bike. In my suburban upbringing normal families always taught their 5 or 6 year olds to ride.

    Kids left their bikes on the front lawn unlocked, but bike theft was also unheard of.

  97. she’s just an idiot. the democrats have a lot of them.

    you can tell she got into harvard via fraud by how many idiotic things she says. the smart bad guys don’t say as much stupid stuff as she does. because they’re smart. they got into harvard on merit.

  98. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Warren has to preserve her prospects after the DNA fiasco. But Warren knows that if she campaigns on reparations it is a sure loser, so she has to dissemble.

    OTOH I like her ideas about breaking up tech giants. Break-ups are much better than regulation.

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    Warren was a big early proponent of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. She made all the right noises about ‘good government’ type protections to help the little guy and protect them from the big evil banks but ended up turning it into nothing more than a scheme to transfer money from functional whites / men taxpayers to social justice organizations who could then in turn, use the money to continue attacking the same people and go after more free benefits. Award-able benefits vs. affordable benefits. In an addition to being a scandal, Coming on the heals of the sub-prime meltdown it was a missed opportunity that could have prevented future bubbles rather than trying to create a second more disastrous one.

  99. @James Speaks
    @AnotherDad


    OT. WARNING: Agita inducing article
     
    … and, speaking of and ...

    The collective noun for Obama supporters should be &, as in an ampersand of Obama supporters.

    Tried to think of a collective noun for Warren supporters, but realized that would be redundant.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @J.Ross

    I support all excuses to use the word ampersand more often, and as for Warren’s tribe, obviously that should be a war council.
    Be nice if we connect it to Pontiac’s fire raft. Pontiac assembled one of the largest coalitions of angry red men to date and attempted to attack a British-held fort that overlooked water with an innovation (for Americans), a large raft with a huge fire built on deck. Fire ships were known to Europeans but I cannot imagine that anybody white gave Pontiac instructions: it was for him an invention.
    The raft drifted to the fort, then harmlessly past it. Perfect illustration of Warren’s heap big medicine.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @J.Ross

    Nice story. Here's another nice story:

    I was going for a double with

    "A warren of Warren supporters"

    and

    "A redundancy of Warren supporters" which is a play on the above.

    Forgetting that she, herself, had been criticized for "I'm going to get me a beer."

    I tried to stretch it out to a triple by mysteriously alluding to that incidence of misspeaking.

    James "Called out sliding in to third" Speaks

  100. @Mr McKenna
    Reparations will be like immigration and taxation--something the 'little people' have to deal with.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Prof. Woland

    Reparations cannot be a one time thing otherwise white America will just pay it off and be done with. No, reparations will have to last forever. And whatever mitigating circumstances such as the whites who fought to liberate blacks or the benefits derived from white inventions will not be taken into consideration. My solution would be to agree to reparations and then tell black / liberal America that they owe us but we will forgive it just as long as they never bother us again. They can keep using all the shit we invented with no help from them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Prof. Woland

    Reparations makes sense but ONLY with separation. You take the money, you leave and you live with your decision.

    We'll have to bribe African nations to accept the reparations-takers, of course.
    It will be expensive but if we hold our mud and never let them back, worth it.

  101. @njguy73
    @Change that Matters

    Maybe we should have Between The World And Me translated into various languages and handed out around the world. If that doesn't keep them out, then no wall will.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Denizens of the Central African Republic will be horrified that in America a white woman might nudge their five-year-old sons out of the way as they dawdled at the foot of an escalator. Best take one’s chances with endless civil war, famine, and disease.

  102. @South Texas Guy
    OT. Probably been seen, and I'm not the world's biggest baseball (sports, in general) fan. What California's tax policies are doing to their teams.

    https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-skelton-income-tax-20190307-story.html

    Boras notes that Harper got $30 million more than Machado, but calculates that when all taxes are figured, the new Phillies player will net around $55 million more.
     

    Replies: @res

    That’s an interesting thought. I wonder if the applicable tax policies are detectable in the salaries or results of the teams. This definitely adds to the potential impact of salary caps.

    This might be useful for thinking about the issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_income_tax

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @res

    It’s not as easy as looking at the respective state income tax rates. Many states collect income tax from the players on visiting teams, which then creates a tax credit against taxes charged by the home state.

    Replies: @res

  103. Good grief! I almost feel sorry for the entire Democratic presidential wannabees, Warren most of all. It must be extremely painful to contortion their minds like a pretzel trying to explain to their audiences incomprehensible policy positions.

  104. @Lot
    @Charles Pewitt

    I really like Warren’s tax and antitrust policy over Koch-Ryanism.

    Open borders, amnesty, reparations, and left wing judges however mean she’s unacceptable.

    Her and Bernie are the lesser evils of the bunch however.

    There is a vaguely Trumpish element to both of them breaking DC corporate centrist taboos.

    Obama of course jacked income tax rates up, but refused to touch taxing capital gains as income or wealth taxes. Like Trump, he was cool with soaking the upper middle class.

    The rich getting richer is highly dysgenic since their conspicuous consumption and housing drives down the fertility of the upper middle class.

    My flat tax proposal: $20k standard exemption, another $20k for spouse and each child under 18, and another $10k bonus for children under 10.

    So a nuclear family with 3 kids under 10 pays no income taxes on the first $130k of income even with no other deductions. With a bit of charitable deductions and IRA/401k contributions, and mortgage interest, they’d really be tax free up to about 160-170k.

    If we have a 30% rate above this, this means a DINK couple making 100k total pays 18k in fed income taxes, but that drops to 9k with one kid and 0 with two kids.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res, @Bill Jones

    Any idea how close to revenue neutral that would be?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @res


    Any idea how close to revenue neutral that would be?
     
    Not to mention carbon-neutral.
  105. @Old Prude
    My sister gave me a subscription to The Atlantic, and when Tennessee-Coates essay was the cover story, I forced myself to read it, so I can say with authority, it was an inchoate scramble of jibberish. I could not extract as single clear thought from the thing, even though I sincerely wanted to. My overall impression was he was saying "We're black and feel aggrieved, so gibs." Alright, Genius, tell me how that's going to work. Let's have this conversation. Let's!

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    “conversation” is ebonics for “you listen and do as we say”

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Bill Jones

    So, then it's "Gibs". I suspect will turn out like homosexual "marriage". The drum keeps getting beaten till the normies weary of hearing it and give in to what was reject at the onset as a zany idea with bad consequences.

  106. @Anonymous
    @Mr McKenna

    “But CNN didn’t ask her if we shouldn’t also be having a conversation about reparations for American Indians and how much she ought to get.”

    -I’m wondering when we will FINALLY get around to paying the Muslims here in the US and in Europe reparations for all the problematic headaches they’ve had to endure over 9/11, ISIS, Rotherham, Orlando gay nightclub, etc. There have been untold scores of Islamic attacks against Western civilians, demands to change the West to suit Islamic tastes, etc., and EVERY SINGLE TIME at least a few Westerners have publicly complained about Muslims, which is an annoyance to them. Thankfully our politicians, schools, media, and entertainment have all come out squarely in defense of the Muslims. But this non-institutionalized annoyance is deeply problematic.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    “There have been untold scores of Islamic attacks against Western civilians, demands to change the West to suit Islamic tastes, etc., and EVERY SINGLE TIME at least a few Westerners have publicly complained about Muslims, which is an annoyance to them. ”

    Primarily functions of the deep state.

    Even the NYT noticed

    https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html

    But none of late because the CIA and FBI have been too busy trying to unseat the orange man to gin any terrorist attacks up.

  107. anon[156] • Disclaimer says:

    The financial and identification questions regarding reparation payments are just too complex. It will never get done. Better, and much more effective, to introduce affirmative action to politics. For instance, it would be nothing to amend Article Two:

    No Person except a Person of Color shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of sixteen Years.

    And a name change. United States of America carries way too much baggage. New Africa? New Wakanda? Why not?

  108. @Buffalo Joe
    @James Speaks

    James, that play on words is clever.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    Thank you for noticing. And, to top it off, should she even be drinking beer, what with her Native American DNA and all?

  109. @Lot
    @Charles Pewitt

    I really like Warren’s tax and antitrust policy over Koch-Ryanism.

    Open borders, amnesty, reparations, and left wing judges however mean she’s unacceptable.

    Her and Bernie are the lesser evils of the bunch however.

    There is a vaguely Trumpish element to both of them breaking DC corporate centrist taboos.

    Obama of course jacked income tax rates up, but refused to touch taxing capital gains as income or wealth taxes. Like Trump, he was cool with soaking the upper middle class.

    The rich getting richer is highly dysgenic since their conspicuous consumption and housing drives down the fertility of the upper middle class.

    My flat tax proposal: $20k standard exemption, another $20k for spouse and each child under 18, and another $10k bonus for children under 10.

    So a nuclear family with 3 kids under 10 pays no income taxes on the first $130k of income even with no other deductions. With a bit of charitable deductions and IRA/401k contributions, and mortgage interest, they’d really be tax free up to about 160-170k.

    If we have a 30% rate above this, this means a DINK couple making 100k total pays 18k in fed income taxes, but that drops to 9k with one kid and 0 with two kids.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @res, @Bill Jones

    No itemized deductions. Why subsidize Adelson’s bribes to congress?
    Why drive house prices higher and subsidize those stupid enough to live in high tax jurisdictions or where zoning ordinances drive up house prices.
    Why subsidize realtors?

  110. @Lot
    @Jack Hanson

    Looking forward to this retarded meme spread by lazy decadent NEETs and pathetic adjunct “professors” making 19k a year to die.

    It was amusing for a few days, but some are not meant to last.

    Is the point to just have him turn the Dem primary debates into a joke? That’s going to happen anyway.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    When you adopt this prissy, hectoring tone its pretty obvious that you’re wound up about something.

    But because you don’t get it doesn’t mean its not effective, mon amie.

  111. @Barnard

    But CNN didn’t ask her if we shouldn’t also be having a conversation about reparations for American Indians and how much she ought to get.
     
    This is just one example of the billions they have already received.


    https://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/politics/american-indian-settlment/index.html

    Replies: @Hank Yobo

    The Fifth Article of the 1783 Treaty of Paris was never honored. Perhaps after reparations have been paid to American tribes, descendants of the Loyalists should be next on the list. Blacks should only be given third place on the grievance/reparations totem pole. This should be another effective way to help deplete the U.S. treasury.

  112. Every U.S. citizen who can trace their ancestry back to a slave owes reparations to decendants of Union Civil War veterans. Slavery was spread throughout the world and we were the first to fight a war to end it.

    • Replies: @By-tor
    @ZachSays

    It would have been much easier on everyone in the US today, if the New England Puritans and their Yankee Negro-loving radical minority in the GOP had allowed the Confederate states to have their own country, which was their right. Slavery would have ceased on its own within a few decades of secession as it did in Brazil in 1888. But no, Lincoln and his corporate vandals had to move on Fort Sumter which was, in 1861, no longer even US property. White Southerners should sue for reparations.

  113. Anonymous [AKA "chickenheart"] says:
    @Jason Liu
    You should be cheering the democrats on this reparations thing, it's a great way to lose an election

    Replies: @Neuday, @Anonymous

    “Open borders” is a big loser, too. The more who come, hide, clog schools and emergency rooms, and commit various crimes, the more Americans will wake to the crisis/emergency nature of open borders, here and abroad. We used to say we don’t want to be a 3rd world nation, now we don’t want to be like Europe, either.
    A lot of Repubs should be primaried over open borders.

  114. ‘You start a conversation, you can’t even finish it.’

    A word of advice, don’t pay the reparations in crab legs:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Civilization is incompatible with a large swath of those hailing from Africa.

  115. @Lot
    @Jack Hanson

    Looking forward to this retarded meme spread by lazy decadent NEETs and pathetic adjunct “professors” making 19k a year to die.

    It was amusing for a few days, but some are not meant to last.

    Is the point to just have him turn the Dem primary debates into a joke? That’s going to happen anyway.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Looking forward to this retarded meme spread by lazy decadent NEETs and pathetic adjunct “professors” making 19k a year to die.

    Sailer is king of the NEETs and I want him to get his YangBucks.

    • LOL: Jack Hanson
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jenner Ickham Errican



    Looking forward to this retarded meme spread by lazy decadent NEETs and pathetic adjunct “professors” making 19k a year to die.
     
    Sailer is king of the NEETs and I want him to get his YangBucks.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtST0CSHm8w
    , @Hail
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    YangBucks
     
    Has high-minimum-wage-pusher Ron Unz weighed in on the UBI issue?
    , @Lot
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’d agree there is some overlap in lifestyle between “fun work from home job” and NEETdom.

    But Steve is a gentleman-scholar, not a megaposter; landowner, not basement dweller; retired executive with a wife, not an incel xboxer with a waifupillow.

    https://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/240/558/d76.jpg

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  116. In an interview with CNN in Harlem — a neighborhood of Manhattan rich with African-American history

    Where would we be without CNN to unearth such hidden information?

  117. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lot


    Looking forward to this retarded meme spread by lazy decadent NEETs and pathetic adjunct “professors” making 19k a year to die.
     
    Sailer is king of the NEETs and I want him to get his YangBucks.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hail, @Lot

    Looking forward to this retarded meme spread by lazy decadent NEETs and pathetic adjunct “professors” making 19k a year to die.

    Sailer is king of the NEETs and I want him to get his YangBucks.

  118. @res
    @Lot

    Any idea how close to revenue neutral that would be?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Any idea how close to revenue neutral that would be?

    Not to mention carbon-neutral.

  119. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lot


    Looking forward to this retarded meme spread by lazy decadent NEETs and pathetic adjunct “professors” making 19k a year to die.
     
    Sailer is king of the NEETs and I want him to get his YangBucks.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hail, @Lot

    YangBucks

    Has high-minimum-wage-pusher Ron Unz weighed in on the UBI issue?

  120. @res
    @South Texas Guy

    That's an interesting thought. I wonder if the applicable tax policies are detectable in the salaries or results of the teams. This definitely adds to the potential impact of salary caps.

    This might be useful for thinking about the issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_income_tax

    Replies: @FPD72

    It’s not as easy as looking at the respective state income tax rates. Many states collect income tax from the players on visiting teams, which then creates a tax credit against taxes charged by the home state.

    • Replies: @res
    @FPD72

    Thanks! I had no idea how complex this topic was. Some references for anyone else interested.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/04/18/income-taxes-for-pro-athletes-are-reminder-of-how-complicated-u-s-tax-code
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_tax

    The impact on relatively poorly paid people around sports (e.g. minor leaguerers, low end media, scouts, what else?) seems overbearing given the relatively small amount of money involved.

  121. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Prof. Woland
    @Mr McKenna

    Reparations cannot be a one time thing otherwise white America will just pay it off and be done with. No, reparations will have to last forever. And whatever mitigating circumstances such as the whites who fought to liberate blacks or the benefits derived from white inventions will not be taken into consideration. My solution would be to agree to reparations and then tell black / liberal America that they owe us but we will forgive it just as long as they never bother us again. They can keep using all the shit we invented with no help from them.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Reparations makes sense but ONLY with separation. You take the money, you leave and you live with your decision.

    We’ll have to bribe African nations to accept the reparations-takers, of course.
    It will be expensive but if we hold our mud and never let them back, worth it.

  122. @Trevor H.
    @Peter Johnson

    For whatever reason, people under the age of 35 or so can't seem to understand why I find the phrase "have a conversation" slightly creepy.

    But then they also don't understand why I don't trust Google or Microsoft, and why I don't use Facebook. At least on that last point there are rumblings of a backlash. I hope it gathers steam.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Would you like us to get off your lawn now, Gramps?

    Believe it or not, we whippersnappers are not a monolith.

    Now back on topic: I can’t blame Warren for answering like she did. She punted it. This is a very touchy topic for leftists. She can’t just laugh it off like you or I might want to and say “the last fifty years have been more than enough reparations for you people; if anything, you owe us.”

    And obviously coming right out and endorsing direct cash gibs isn’t really the safest political move, so she didn’t do that.

  123. @Redneck farmer
    The historical fact that the "wealth created by slavery" was destroyed by The War Of The Rebellion appears to escape proggresive's attention.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    ““wealth created by slavery” was destroyed by The War Of The Rebellion appears to escape proggresive’s attention.” So true. And 375,000 Union soldier deaths. The sins of the Nation were already paid for in blood and treasure.

  124. @ZachSays
    Every U.S. citizen who can trace their ancestry back to a slave owes reparations to decendants of Union Civil War veterans. Slavery was spread throughout the world and we were the first to fight a war to end it.

    Replies: @By-tor

    It would have been much easier on everyone in the US today, if the New England Puritans and their Yankee Negro-loving radical minority in the GOP had allowed the Confederate states to have their own country, which was their right. Slavery would have ceased on its own within a few decades of secession as it did in Brazil in 1888. But no, Lincoln and his corporate vandals had to move on Fort Sumter which was, in 1861, no longer even US property. White Southerners should sue for reparations.

  125. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose
    'You start a conversation, you can't even finish it.'

    A word of advice, don't pay the reparations in crab legs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxTvbZojCIs

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Civilization is incompatible with a large swath of those hailing from Africa.

  126. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Yes, nothing elderly Germans need more than a giant brand new underclass of surly unemployable Arabs.

    Out of Merkel’s million, about 100 are employed in the formal labor force. Big German companies are getting paid to hire them, but they still won’t do it.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/710927/million-migrants-Germany-unemployed-Merkel-open-door-policy

    By the way, whenever I see Muslim “success stories” in French MSM propaganda, the employed Muslim always seems to have a job like “youth anti-gang counselor” or “adult education coordinator.”

  127. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lot


    Looking forward to this retarded meme spread by lazy decadent NEETs and pathetic adjunct “professors” making 19k a year to die.
     
    Sailer is king of the NEETs and I want him to get his YangBucks.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hail, @Lot

    I’d agree there is some overlap in lifestyle between “fun work from home job” and NEETdom.

    But Steve is a gentleman-scholar, not a megaposter; landowner, not basement dweller; retired executive with a wife, not an incel xboxer with a waifupillow.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Lot

    What's her name, Lot? Very proud of you!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Lot

    Exactly. Like I wrote, “king of the NEETs.”

  128. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @JimB

    Jim, My first reparation, gladly given, is free public education. After they have taken advantage of this education by getting a minimum of a HS education we can talk about the next step.

    Replies: @JimB, @Anonymous

    Jim, My first reparation, gladly given, is free public education. After they have taken advantage of this education by getting a minimum of a HS education we can talk about the next step.

    At most, thirty percent of the US black population is capable of a genuine, 1955 better public high school, HS education. Probably less.

    Fifty percent could get to an honest eighth, maybe ninth, grade, IF the curriculum were broken down and geared to people of their cognition. They should be able to do four function arithmetic, diagram basic sentences, etc.

    That leaves the back half. 35% aren’t capable of sixth grade. More than fifteen percent are clinically retarded.

    Incentives to sterilize the bottom decile and to Norplant most inner city girls until they are 18, and to make being a baby daddy really unpleasant for the young bucks, would be helpful.

    As would going back to building our own consumer appliances and clothing/textiles in the US, which would create plenty of jobs properly supervised 80-90 IQ people could do.

    Ultimately this process will produce a different people. Blacks have to decide what road they want to go on and whites have to hold them to it. The alternative is separation, on this continent or their home one.

  129. @Lot
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’d agree there is some overlap in lifestyle between “fun work from home job” and NEETdom.

    But Steve is a gentleman-scholar, not a megaposter; landowner, not basement dweller; retired executive with a wife, not an incel xboxer with a waifupillow.

    https://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/240/558/d76.jpg

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    What’s her name, Lot? Very proud of you!

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack Hanson

    Unsurprisingly, Lot’s waifu pillow is visibly unhappy with the arrangement. And he’s already been cucked by the dog.

    , @Lot
    @Jack Hanson

    Yuki.

    And she would never submit to the advances of my dog.

  130. @FPD72
    @res

    It’s not as easy as looking at the respective state income tax rates. Many states collect income tax from the players on visiting teams, which then creates a tax credit against taxes charged by the home state.

    Replies: @res

    Thanks! I had no idea how complex this topic was. Some references for anyone else interested.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/04/18/income-taxes-for-pro-athletes-are-reminder-of-how-complicated-u-s-tax-code
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_tax

    The impact on relatively poorly paid people around sports (e.g. minor leaguerers, low end media, scouts, what else?) seems overbearing given the relatively small amount of money involved.

  131. @Buffalo Joe
    The solution to reparations, if it needed one, is to let blacks propose what they want and who gets it. No imput from whites. Let them determine the committee memebrs, the rules and all else. Check back in a few years to see how they are doing . NOW CASE IN POINT: years ago I set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio at the downtown Lock 3 venue. The festival was Friday night, all day Saturday and Sunday. We would arrive on Wednesday to start our prep work. One year Lebron James had the park for a Thursday event sponsored by The James Family Foundation. Inner city kids had attended a summer program stressing schooling and the need not to drop out of school. All the kids were invited to a picnic in the park with hamburgers, hot dogs, mac and potato salad, cake and ice cream. Each child would receive a HP lap top and a mountain bike! Each child had to be accompanied by a parent or guardian and bring proof of ID and address. What a cluster fuck. I remember one young white SJW who was trying to help out crying because she was being screamed at and one woman yelling she wanted her money back. What money? Everything was free. Hours into it they cancelled the picnic and announced bikes and laptops would be delivered to the addresses on file. Bikes and laptops for sale on street corners the next week. I mean it. Let them run the whole thing.

    Replies: @Lot, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    years ago I set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio

    Two homesick Buffalonians in Akron started Buffalo Wild Wings. One married the venture capitalist’s daughter (smart move, it seems) and now HQ is in her state of Minnesota. And BWW is everywhere.

    Joe, you coulda been a contender!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, knew the guys from my involvement in the National Buffalo Wing Festival here in Buffalo. Who knew every pizza joint in America would feature wings.

  132. @Arclight
    The left is hungry for the first female president, but it seems that this desire causes them to overlook the fact that there isn't a first-order female political talent in the country that I am aware of. Say what you want about Bill or Barack, but they did have a knack for appearing human, relaxed, possessing a sense of humor and likely being someone you could stand being stuck in an elevator with.

    Hilary, Warren, Kamala, Klobuchar all lack personal warmth, seem to have zero sense of humor, uptight, and only able to communicate via lecture. The only time I have ever heard a female floated as a Democratic nominee that doesn't fit into that box is Oprah, but she's smart enough to know that a presidential run is zero fun and would likely be damaging to her reputation and possibly her fortune.

    Replies: @bomag, @PhysicistDave

    Arclight wrote:

    The left is hungry for the first female president, but it seems that this desire causes them to overlook the fact that there isn’t a first-order female political talent in the country that I am aware of.

    Hilary, Warren, Kamala, Klobuchar all lack personal warmth, seem to have zero sense of humor, uptight, and only able to communicate via lecture.

    I really thought Kamala had a shot (so many intersectionality points!), but when she talks without a script there seems to be something wrong with her, much more so than Warren or Klobuchar.

    Which makes me wonder if maybe Tulsi has a chance. I’ve seen multiple interviews, and she comes across as a relatively sane, normal human being. Yeah, I know she is a liberal too, but a sane liberal is better than a crazy one!

    • Replies: @Thea
    @PhysicistDave

    Tulsi has a lot of good qualities so therefore we will never get her.

    Whining, malice,vengeance and victim hood have been sure fire winners for the dems thus far. No reason for it to change.

  133. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Wild Boars Are Taking Over Japan as Population Ages, Disappears

    An Indonesian friend told me his father loved to hunt wild boars. Since they were Moslem and couldn’t consume them, they sold them to the local Christians.

    How much do the robots in your Newsweek link cost? We could station a string of them along the border, at a fraction of the cost of a wall.

    Especially if they’re smaller, not wolves, but chupacabras.

  134. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    The solution to reparations, if it needed one, is to let blacks propose what they want and who gets it. No imput from whites. Let them determine the committee memebrs, the rules and all else. Check back in a few years to see how they are doing . NOW CASE IN POINT: years ago I set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio at the downtown Lock 3 venue. The festival was Friday night, all day Saturday and Sunday. We would arrive on Wednesday to start our prep work. One year Lebron James had the park for a Thursday event sponsored by The James Family Foundation. Inner city kids had attended a summer program stressing schooling and the need not to drop out of school. All the kids were invited to a picnic in the park with hamburgers, hot dogs, mac and potato salad, cake and ice cream. Each child would receive a HP lap top and a mountain bike! Each child had to be accompanied by a parent or guardian and bring proof of ID and address. What a cluster fuck. I remember one young white SJW who was trying to help out crying because she was being screamed at and one woman yelling she wanted her money back. What money? Everything was free. Hours into it they cancelled the picnic and announced bikes and laptops would be delivered to the addresses on file. Bikes and laptops for sale on street corners the next week. I mean it. Let them run the whole thing.

    Replies: @Lot, @Reg Cæsar, @Anonymous

    Akron has a Burger Festival each year, which I’m sure tweaks militant vegetarian Chrissie Hynde no end. I’ve never been to it but it looks like fun.

    https://hamburgerfestival.com/

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous, Yes, that is the festival. One of the best food festivals in the nation. Akron's public employees that assisted us were top rate. Was involved from the start and worked the first seven. Oh yeah, and one year PETA showed up with their slaughter house photos.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  135. @Lot
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’d agree there is some overlap in lifestyle between “fun work from home job” and NEETdom.

    But Steve is a gentleman-scholar, not a megaposter; landowner, not basement dweller; retired executive with a wife, not an incel xboxer with a waifupillow.

    https://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/240/558/d76.jpg

    Replies: @Jack Hanson, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Exactly. Like I wrote, “king of the NEETs.”

  136. @Jack Hanson
    @Lot

    What's her name, Lot? Very proud of you!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot

    Unsurprisingly, Lot’s waifu pillow is visibly unhappy with the arrangement. And he’s already been cucked by the dog.

  137. @Bill Jones
    @Old Prude

    "conversation" is ebonics for "you listen and do as we say"

    Replies: @Old Prude

    So, then it’s “Gibs”. I suspect will turn out like homosexual “marriage”. The drum keeps getting beaten till the normies weary of hearing it and give in to what was reject at the onset as a zany idea with bad consequences.

  138. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Wild Boars Are Taking Over Japan as Population Ages, Disappears

    Now I have heard everything.

    More immigration will curtail the boar menace!

    Wild boars, also known as Eurasian wild pigs, have moved in to supplant the shrinking population. In the Iwate Prefecture, authorities caught 94 boars last year, The Washington Post reported. That’s up from just two caught in 2011.

    It’s an invasion!

  139. On a positive note, At least she got people talking about breaking the tech oligarch empires.

  140. @PhysicistDave
    @Arclight

    Arclight wrote:


    The left is hungry for the first female president, but it seems that this desire causes them to overlook the fact that there isn’t a first-order female political talent in the country that I am aware of.
    ...
    Hilary, Warren, Kamala, Klobuchar all lack personal warmth, seem to have zero sense of humor, uptight, and only able to communicate via lecture.
     
    I really thought Kamala had a shot (so many intersectionality points!), but when she talks without a script there seems to be something wrong with her, much more so than Warren or Klobuchar.

    Which makes me wonder if maybe Tulsi has a chance. I've seen multiple interviews, and she comes across as a relatively sane, normal human being. Yeah, I know she is a liberal too, but a sane liberal is better than a crazy one!

    Replies: @Thea

    Tulsi has a lot of good qualities so therefore we will never get her.

    Whining, malice,vengeance and victim hood have been sure fire winners for the dems thus far. No reason for it to change.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  141. Anonymous [AKA "jkru"] says: • Website

    I’m all in favor of reparations if certain criteria is met. First papers proving slavery or ownership. Secondly proof of the slave owner’s existence. And if all the criteria is met then the recipients of reparations can go to the existing relatives/ancestors of past slave owners and collect money from THEM.

  142. @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    Akron has a Burger Festival each year, which I'm sure tweaks militant vegetarian Chrissie Hynde no end. I've never been to it but it looks like fun.

    https://hamburgerfestival.com/

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Anonymous, Yes, that is the festival. One of the best food festivals in the nation. Akron’s public employees that assisted us were top rate. Was involved from the start and worked the first seven. Oh yeah, and one year PETA showed up with their slaughter house photos.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe


    Oh yeah, and one year PETA showed up with their slaughter house photos.
     
    That's Big LMM's style.
    https://www.deseretnews.com/images/article/hires/700403415/700403415.jpg

    Rock singer leads a protest at McDonald's
    By
    Pat Reavy
    @DNewsCrimeTeam


    Scott G. Winterton, Deseret News
    Chrissie Hynde of the group Pretenders walks towards the drive-through Monday to hand out Unhappy Meals as she joins other PETA supporters at a Salt Lake City McDonald's to protest the company's perceived treatment of chickens.

    Wearing knee-high black boots and carrying "Unhappy Meals" to pass out to customers, Rock and Roll Hall of Famer and noted animal-rights activist Chrissie Hynde gave a few customers at a local McDonald's a surprise Monday.

    Hynde, lead singer of The Pretenders, who performed at Red Butte Gardens on Sunday, helped PETA launch an international billboard campaign targeting the fast-food chain and specifically, its Chicken McNuggets. To help kick off the effort, Hynde joined local and national PETA members outside the McDonald's near 700 East and 250 South to speak to supporters and help pass out literature to the lunchtime crowd.

    As part of the new campaign, Hynde will be featured on billboards across the nation with a quote from her: "Birds are scalded to death for McNuggets. I'm hatin' it."

    Wearing a red shirt with a picture of the Golden Arches and "McCruelty" and "I'm Hatin' It" written on it, Hynde was joined by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals Vice President Dan Matthews and about 2 dozen PETA members.

    The group was protesting what it says is the inhumane way chickens used for McDonald's nuggets are killed. Not only could it be done in a more humane way, but the current process has created an "ecological disaster" and put a lot of small-level farmers out of business, Hynde said.

    "You support McDonald's, you support factory farming," she said.

    Hynde points to McDonald's in Europe, where the company adopted a more humane way of euthanizing chickens used in the meals.

    The legendary singer held a poster with a picture of a featherless, scalded dead chicken as patrons entered the restaurant. She helped pass out "Unhappy Meals," boxes made to resemble McDonald's chicken-nugget boxes, but with red paint meant to look like blood on the inside. Others held signs that read, "Boycott McDonald's Cruelty" and "Broken Wings and Legs." She also greeted people as they pulled through the drive-up window.

    Hynde compared McDonald's to the tobacco industry in that she said it tries to cover up how unhealthful McNuggets are.

    "You can package anything up and sell it, let's face it," she said.

    Hynde said she has been battling the global restaurant chain for years, but it refuses to change in the U.S.

    "It's always better to go too far than not far enough. It's better to protect those animals," she said.

    When asked if she was concerned some of the ads might gross people out, she replied, "I'm worried that it won't gross people out."

    Hynde approached two young men eating hamburgers as they left the restaurant.

    Salem resident Chase Palfreyman, who had never heard of her or The Pretenders, said he was not swayed by the campaign. His family owns farmland in Utah and has raised cattle and chickens before. He said he did not notice any effect on the business because of the fast-food chain's practices.

    Hynde ended her appearance by being raised on the shoulders of others while they chanted, "McDonald's, I'm hatin' it."
     
    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/705325589/Rock-singer-leads-a-protest-at-McDonalds.html


    Of course, no one asks Hynde mere what she thinks of animals that eat other animals. Does she expect lions, tigers, and wolves to go vegetarian too??

    Hinduism must be a hell of a drug. (Savitri Devi apparently found it so.)
  143. @Reg Cæsar
    @Buffalo Joe


    years ago I set up a food festival in Akron, Ohio
     
    Two homesick Buffalonians in Akron started Buffalo Wild Wings. One married the venture capitalist's daughter (smart move, it seems) and now HQ is in her state of Minnesota. And BWW is everywhere.

    Joe, you coulda been a contender!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Reg, knew the guys from my involvement in the National Buffalo Wing Festival here in Buffalo. Who knew every pizza joint in America would feature wings.

  144. Is our broke government also going to provide reparation cash to the descendants of white sharecroppers who—by this point in history—share as much DNA content with their economically oppressed ancestors as Warren shares with her Indian relative? Do disadvantaged white descendants need to know the full names of those sharecropper ancestors whose oppression had such an impact on their lives? If you are poor due to being the descendant of white sharecroppers, you have received zero point zero zero in hiring & educational preferences to make up for your ancestors’ economic degradation. Compared to minority counterparts, disadvantaged descendants of white sharecroppers have not enjoyed as much free EBT food, housing assistance, monthly cash assistance and electricity assistance, particularly when you gauge welfare consumption by the percentage of people in various groups partaking of the programs. But the progressive tax code is color blind, rewarding prolific womb-productive sex, reproduction and part-time work in a single-earner household with the same max child tax credit up to $6,431. Aside from the tax-time cash for some womb-productive descendants, the US government has not offered a consolation to long-dead ancestors—no workplace privileges or payouts for the children’s children’s children of oppressed white sharecroppers. How about the white indentured servants who originally settled this country? What has .gov done for them lately?

  145. @Detective Club
    OFF TOPIC : A non-White employee of the popular subcontinental 7-Eleven in N. Merrick, LI, NY has come down with a virulent case of Hepatitis A. Free vaccines will be available tomorrow from noon to 4PM and on Monday from 1PM to 6PM at Nassau Community College. Anyone who ordered a BIG GULP between Feb. 1 & March 6 or used the Men's Room has cause to be concerned.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Will anti-vaxxers show up?

  146. @Charles Pewitt
    Baby Boomer Liz Warren Is Gonna Bust Up The Tech Companies.

    Baby Boomer Donald Adelson Trump Said He'd Reduce Legal Immigration And Deport Illegal Aliens.

    Baby boomer bastards Trump and Warren are dishonest politician whores of the worst sort.

    At least Warren drinks beer -- Trumpy is a DRINKWATER bastard who admitted he'd run amok if his lying baby boomer lips touched a drop of beer or booze.

    https://twitter.com/CptBlackPill/status/1104393912188354561

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Someone has issues with either his parents or his offspring.

    We can just add “Boomer” (whatever that is) to white, male, Christian, “cis-“, and the rest, to know whom it is politically correct to crucify at present.

    At least those other demographics are valid identities, which can be defended. “Generations” are just hot air coming from people who read “journalists” who crib from “market researchers”.

  147. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @dvorak
    @JimB


    All this amounts to about $2.5 million to the descendants of each and every slave living in the US at the time of the civil war.
     
    Adjusted for inflation, how many acres and mules is that in 1865?

    We need a Reparations Clock that displays the running tally of net payments from white to black.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous

    I worked for a business in Wichita where the Chief Engineer had his employees build a Death Clock showing the total number of people who had ever lived and died on the earth, since 4004 BC when Adam and Eve were created. And yes, they were on the clock when they were building the Clock. He put it in his church, and died a couple of years later.

    We should offer blacks who want it reparations-but they have to emigrate back to a black run country and never come back.

  148. Sure, we’ll have a “conversation” about the issue, but if you ask Liarwatha to actually engage in said “conversation” she’ll just toss another word salad sprinkling in the word “conversation” as liberally as possible.

  149. @El Dato
    @JimB

    Only toilet paper made from recycled pulp, then:

    U.S. plush toilet paper use wiping out Canada's forests, flushing away the future: report The report gave failing grades to the leading toilet paper, tissue and paper towel brands for using only virgin fibre pulp, mostly from Canada’s old boreal forests

    I don't know how far rape-capitalist idiocy can go, but it can go pretty far apparently.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @JimB

    I request a two-ply diploma with Glade scent.

  150. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    The current crop of Dems are a bunch of no-hopers at getting the nomination. My die-hard liberal mother was all excited that Hickenlooper had just announced he’s running. What my mother wants to vote for is a half-liberal white male, which is the sort of Democrat she always voted for all throughout her younger days. She just doesn’t trust people like Warren, Harris, Booker, et. al. They’re too far-out, alien, flaky, and lacking in substance for her.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon


    She just doesn’t trust people like Warren, Harris, Booker, et. al. They’re too far-out, alien, flaky, and lacking in substance for her.
     
    What about O'Rourke?
  151. Anonymous[651] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    The current crop of Dems are a bunch of no-hopers at getting the nomination. My die-hard liberal mother was all excited that Hickenlooper had just announced he's running. What my mother wants to vote for is a half-liberal white male, which is the sort of Democrat she always voted for all throughout her younger days. She just doesn't trust people like Warren, Harris, Booker, et. al. They're too far-out, alien, flaky, and lacking in substance for her.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    She just doesn’t trust people like Warren, Harris, Booker, et. al. They’re too far-out, alien, flaky, and lacking in substance for her.

    What about O’Rourke?

  152. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous, Yes, that is the festival. One of the best food festivals in the nation. Akron's public employees that assisted us were top rate. Was involved from the start and worked the first seven. Oh yeah, and one year PETA showed up with their slaughter house photos.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Oh yeah, and one year PETA showed up with their slaughter house photos.

    That’s Big LMM’s style.

    Rock singer leads a protest at McDonald’s
    By
    Pat Reavy
    @DNewsCrimeTeam

    Scott G. Winterton, Deseret News
    Chrissie Hynde of the group Pretenders walks towards the drive-through Monday to hand out Unhappy Meals as she joins other PETA supporters at a Salt Lake City McDonald’s to protest the company’s perceived treatment of chickens.

    Wearing knee-high black boots and carrying “Unhappy Meals” to pass out to customers, Rock and Roll Hall of Famer and noted animal-rights activist Chrissie Hynde gave a few customers at a local McDonald’s a surprise Monday.

    Hynde, lead singer of The Pretenders, who performed at Red Butte Gardens on Sunday, helped PETA launch an international billboard campaign targeting the fast-food chain and specifically, its Chicken McNuggets. To help kick off the effort, Hynde joined local and national PETA members outside the McDonald’s near 700 East and 250 South to speak to supporters and help pass out literature to the lunchtime crowd.

    As part of the new campaign, Hynde will be featured on billboards across the nation with a quote from her: “Birds are scalded to death for McNuggets. I’m hatin’ it.”

    Wearing a red shirt with a picture of the Golden Arches and “McCruelty” and “I’m Hatin’ It” written on it, Hynde was joined by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals Vice President Dan Matthews and about 2 dozen PETA members.

    The group was protesting what it says is the inhumane way chickens used for McDonald’s nuggets are killed. Not only could it be done in a more humane way, but the current process has created an “ecological disaster” and put a lot of small-level farmers out of business, Hynde said.

    “You support McDonald’s, you support factory farming,” she said.

    Hynde points to McDonald’s in Europe, where the company adopted a more humane way of euthanizing chickens used in the meals.

    The legendary singer held a poster with a picture of a featherless, scalded dead chicken as patrons entered the restaurant. She helped pass out “Unhappy Meals,” boxes made to resemble McDonald’s chicken-nugget boxes, but with red paint meant to look like blood on the inside. Others held signs that read, “Boycott McDonald’s Cruelty” and “Broken Wings and Legs.” She also greeted people as they pulled through the drive-up window.

    Hynde compared McDonald’s to the tobacco industry in that she said it tries to cover up how unhealthful McNuggets are.

    “You can package anything up and sell it, let’s face it,” she said.

    Hynde said she has been battling the global restaurant chain for years, but it refuses to change in the U.S.

    “It’s always better to go too far than not far enough. It’s better to protect those animals,” she said.

    When asked if she was concerned some of the ads might gross people out, she replied, “I’m worried that it won’t gross people out.”

    Hynde approached two young men eating hamburgers as they left the restaurant.

    Salem resident Chase Palfreyman, who had never heard of her or The Pretenders, said he was not swayed by the campaign. His family owns farmland in Utah and has raised cattle and chickens before. He said he did not notice any effect on the business because of the fast-food chain’s practices.

    Hynde ended her appearance by being raised on the shoulders of others while they chanted, “McDonald’s, I’m hatin’ it.”

    https://www.deseretnews.com/article/705325589/Rock-singer-leads-a-protest-at-McDonalds.html

    Of course, no one asks Hynde mere what she thinks of animals that eat other animals. Does she expect lions, tigers, and wolves to go vegetarian too??

    Hinduism must be a hell of a drug. (Savitri Devi apparently found it so.)

  153. @J.Ross
    @James Speaks

    I support all excuses to use the word ampersand more often, and as for Warren's tribe, obviously that should be a war council.
    Be nice if we connect it to Pontiac's fire raft. Pontiac assembled one of the largest coalitions of angry red men to date and attempted to attack a British-held fort that overlooked water with an innovation (for Americans), a large raft with a huge fire built on deck. Fire ships were known to Europeans but I cannot imagine that anybody white gave Pontiac instructions: it was for him an invention.
    The raft drifted to the fort, then harmlessly past it. Perfect illustration of Warren's heap big medicine.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    Nice story. Here’s another nice story:

    I was going for a double with

    “A warren of Warren supporters”

    and

    “A redundancy of Warren supporters” which is a play on the above.

    Forgetting that she, herself, had been criticized for “I’m going to get me a beer.”

    I tried to stretch it out to a triple by mysteriously alluding to that incidence of misspeaking.

    James “Called out sliding in to third” Speaks

  154. @Jack Hanson
    @Lot

    What's her name, Lot? Very proud of you!

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Lot

    Yuki.

    And she would never submit to the advances of my dog.

  155. @Peter Johnson
    The tactic of avoiding answering a question by proposing to instead "have a conversation" about the issues in the question reflects a distinctly feminine cognitive approach. This "have a conversation" tactic treats communication as a method to share one's feelings with those around one, rather than as a method to transmit information. "Having a conversation" usually means sharing one's feelings so that we can modulate our emotional responses agreeably; this avoids dealing with any hard facts or tough-minded analysis and appeals to women much more than men. Of course men can use this tactic too, but it is less natural for them.

    Replies: @Anon, @Trevor H., @Anon7, @Hypnotoad666, @Olorin

    You are missing the point.

    “Have a conversation” can also mean holding space open for discussing something that is the conversational equivalent of a minefield. Let somebody else point to it, map it, then mazurka across it.

    That’s the opposite of what our host said–not having a political knack. In fact it’s highly intelligent when you know someone is trying to noodge or di di mao/chop chop you into political suicide around a no-win topic…

    …that frames white people as losers.

    For after all, “reparations” is what war losers pay to war winners. Ask Finland and Germany.

    Liz Warren is a smart gal. She has been paying attention for the past 30 years. I wouldn’t say she lacks “hard facts and tough minded analysis,” but many on the so-called “dissident right” can’t see past her being a girl. And her Girl Cooties.

    Imagine her as Trump’s running mate in 2020. The Chambers of Commerce would explode. So would the (((progs))).

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