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To be a good American in 2020, you are supposed to believe that Putin stole the 2016 election and that it is inconceivable that Democratic insiders in Philadelphia or Atlanta might put a thumb on the scale in favor of Joe Biden, even after four years of editorializing that Trump must be driven from office By Any Means Necessary.

 
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  1. Republicans have been trying and failing to make an issue of voter fraud, especially in person voter fraud for years. Maybe they’ll get some traction this time because it really is a new voting system. But it’s worrying and kind of boring to see people whose opinions I always thought were interesting and intelligent to suddenly calcify around Trump is 100% the best choice, Trump is 100% going to win, and now, there was 100% massive voter fraud.

    But with the decades long tradition of talking about in person voter fraud, what’s more pathetic, the republicans being right and completely incapable of marshaling evidence to convince a critical mass of people, or the republicans being wrong and allowing themselves to be led down this rabbit hole of failed voter suppression.

    Assuming they fail to get Trump in office, the same question will apply to the claims of voter fraud in 2020.

  2. Altai says:

    People are posting this as evidence of some skullduggery, it looks more like he is weighing stacks of ballots and getting a different number than when he started or outside the margin of error he is supposed to meet. (Maybe he put some in the wrong piles when counting) It looks like a guy just losing his temper doing count checks rather than evidence of manipulation.

    Worst case scenario, maybe the ballots weight more than the expected weight for the number that were signed off on?

    But it’s easy to dismiss concerns that, with 4 years of the whole establishment and media explicitly being out to get Trump when some many QAnon types are posting crazy stuff.

    The phenomena of Tammany Hall style manipulation is still possible in the similar dynamics of black voting districts, somebody might be able to get lots of ballots issued to fake or dead people among the staggering amounts issued in this election. With margins from 2016 so thin and 2020 thin again, it wouldn’t take many.

    Somebody has been on twitter claiming that dead people were voting in the election as per the Michigan ballot status website. But where the guy got the name and address for this guy who died in 1982 to check who knows? A few purported poll watchers from Detroit were interviewed saying they had ballots signed by dead people. (Again, I don’t know how they check this on the night.)

    Meanwhile there are people looking at the numbers reported for counties from absentee ballots and on the day voting to see the numbers fall out of Benford’s law, implying humans made up the final numbers. Last I heard the same guy was out looking for the same data from previous years to see if there is any evidence of a difference.

    But really a lot of it can be exampled by increased black turnout rates just as well and Trump’s apparent drop in support among white men could be explained by his facing off against another white male this time. (As well as his putting populist economics on the backburner) Put those two together and this result need not be explained by fraud at all. I don’t think anyone will ever know enough to be sure.

    Also Steve, there was a surge of support for Trump in Kenosha compared to last election. It just didn’t translate statewide. So there was a response to BLM riots in the Swede-belt, it was just local.

  3. Trial by jury in America has collapsed in America since the 1950s. So a jury packed full of Dindus would almost certainly not convict.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  4. Altai says:
    @Altai

    Breakdown of the apparent tally number endings for counties Trump won and counties Biden won in Milwaukee. The Biden ones don’t match with expectations of Benford’s law, suggesting some of the counts were made up by humans who tended to use certain round numbers. But it seems odd to falsify up to the 10s. You’d think you’d just add to the hundreds and leave the real original counts to the 10s the same.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    , @Lot
    , @res
  5. Ano says:

    Hi Steve,

    It’s Joe here. (You know, the guy who’s just defeated George Trump.)

    You know, you really have to stop with all this Russophobia you know.

    Please stop spreading and promoting all those racist Trumpian lies about ‘Kompromat’, election interference, server hacks, etc etc.

    Thanks to the anti-Russian hysteria of the Donald Bush presidency, the America-Russia relationship was very strained, preventing my friend Bill from giving $500,000 speeches to Kremlin-connected banks, while preventing my friend Hillary from putting the other 70% of America’s uranium up for sale to my soon-to-be friend Vlad.

    Therefore, my first act as your new Senator will be to send Hillary Clinton over to my best buddy Vlad kick-off a Russian Reset by pressing a button on the remote control of my record-player.

    PS: If you’re interested in joining me and Hunter on Air Force 1 on my first overseas trip as President (we’re going to Moscow, Beijing, and Kiev), don’t worry- we have plenty of empty attache cases and brown paper bags to spare!

    Yours,

    er, whatevermynameis

    • LOL: Lurker
  6. If there was widespread fraud being perpetrated you would think the Dems would be using that to tilt tight House and Senate elections in their favour. Any evidence of that happening? People prefer to scream about cheating or foreign interference instead of honestly thinking about what their candidate could have done to get more votes.

  7. Rewc says:

    There’s not cheating. Negroes just take forever to count ballots because they’re so incompetent. Negroes probably have a tough time counting beyond 10 because they run out of fingers.

    The uncounted ballots in Ga and Pa are from negro areas, for in case you haven’t noticed.

  8. @Altai

    We need N.N.Taleb on that. If it’s a real thing, he would catch it and his ego and bombast would force him to broadcast the results to the world.

  9. Hockamaw says:

    TRUMP has won re-election. GA, NC, PA, and AZ are all red. The result is clear and can only become moreso as time goes on.

    Joe must concede for the good of the country.

  10. I would say that Orwellian narrative simply- didn’t work. Sure, one could say they unseated Trump (by fraud, highly likely).

    But- I’m tired of posting links- blue wave didn’t happen; the Senate is not completed, yet, but there is no chance of sweeping reforms; racially- and this is the best part- blacks & Latinx voted more for Trump than for any Republican candidate in past 30 years or so. Hence, the narrative about Trump the Hitler collapsed; even more, racial minorities have shown that they are not reducible to parasitic Dem thugs like BLM etc.

    Is there a jubilation in Hollyweird? Not quite, and even if they tried, we know they’ll fake it.

    What remains to be seen is critical race “theory” & its future.

    • Replies: @Screwtape
  11. Anon7 says:

    Yes, I too have been going back to the point just before the pandemic when a mysterious cultural meme started to make the rounds.

    Just purely speculatively, if you were alive in Germany in the 1920’s, would you be morally obligated to seek Hitler out and kill him? Pure speculation, mind you, no practical application, because of course time travel is impossible, and it’s not like we’ve identified a Bad Orange Man who has already destroyed democracy as we know it, and probably murdered millions of innocents and strangles kittens right in the Oval Office.

    You know how much fun intellectuals have examining purely intellectual questions for purely intellectual reasons. No emotional brain stuff here, move along.

    • Replies: @Lazlo
  12. @Altai

    Somebody has been on twitter claiming that dead people were voting in the election as per the Michigan ballot status website. But where the guy got the name and address for this guy who died in 1982 to check who knows?

    It’s public record. I don’t know about you, but despite it costing candidates more than a buck to send me campaign literature overseas, more than a few do, so the data isn’t hard to come by. If DeadGuy is still on the rolls, it’s a trivial matter to cast a ballot in his name, especially if signature requirements are not strictly adhered to.

    From a local election office in the US ….

    Who can acquire registration data?

    Anyone can acquire voter registration data.

    What data is available?

    Voter registration information is public record in XXXXXXXXXX with a few exceptions. Information such as your social security number, driver’s license number, XXXXXXXXXX ID number, signature, where a voter registered to vote, and where a voter updated a registration cannot be released or disclosed to the public. Other information such as your name, address, date of birth, party affiliation, and when you voted is public information.

    Certain voters may be eligible for a public records exemption.

    How is the data formatted?

    Available media: List, CD, email

    Available file format: All data delivered on CD or by email is in comma delimited text format, which can be opened by or imported into many different programs. Certain programs, such as Microsoft Excel, may have limitations which make them usable only for relatively small databases; consult your software documentation for exact limits.

    Available filter options: Precinct, district, city, sex, race, party, status, date of birth, registration date, voting history

    Available sort orders: Data can be sorted by name, by zip code, or by walking list. Optionally, voters at the same residence address can be combined into one entry, called a household sort.

    File layout specifications

  13. There used to be Republican machines which were not averse to committing election fraud, though they were mostly less effective than Democrats. Now they don’t exist and all the GOP has is voter suppression.

    That needs to change.

    Why should The Enemy be the only one permitted to engage in ballot fraud?

  14. Thoughts says:

    The cast studies in my personal life…
    Liberal 1 Male: Obviously a liberal because he’s trying to impress liberal females in one last chance at Mating.

    Liberal 2 Male: Just an idiot who has issues with successful people + possibly Daddy issues…Egg Brains

    Liberal Female 1: Moved into a black area in Atlanta…I wonder if she’s liberal in an attempt not to get killed? “No, don’t hurt me…I’m a good white!” I doubt it will work, as blacks become more murderous When They Perceive They Are Winning.

    But I wonder with her if she can’t know they are cheating…or if she’s so evil she doesn’t care.

    Liberal Female 2: Jewish.

    Liberal Female 1 and Male 1 are the most interesting, and the most Stalinist of the group. “We will remember your silence!” “We know who you are!” “You guys who aren’t posting on facebook are Trumpies and we know that!” etc etc

    I think it’s interesting that the two worst gentiles in my case studies have the most primal motivation…Getting the Opportunity to Mate, and Not Being Killed

    I don’t think you can reason with people with that important motivation. I don’t think you can even fault them for Not Caring about Fairness. Biden/Harris is THAT important to their future.

  15. Steve, you’re too funny. How could a democrat operative be brought to trial?

    • Thanks: Charles
    • Replies: @Desiderius
  16. BUT ORANGE MAN BAD = LITERAL HITLER!

  17. I think there’s no doubt there’s cheating that goes on in the Democrat strongholds, as there was four years ago, and all the mail-in voting this time around has created greater opportunity. Remember when Jill Stein’s 2016 recount on behalf of Hillary turned up the wrong sort of election fraud, bringing about the swift call to shut it down? If there is indeed significant fraud going on, the question is – along America’s decay into sharpening political tribalism and disregard of civic ethic for loyalty to faction – what can be done to improve the integrity of the process and keep Americans from losing confidence in it? Or are we now so obscenely bloated and floundering as a society that we are going to have to go fully belly up at the federal level and be chastened in the hardship before things can get better?

    https://nypost.com/2016/12/14/michigan-recount-reveals-error-but-not-the-one-jill-stein-wanted/

    • Thanks: LondonBob
  18. The entire point of Beer Flu was to be a cudgel to implement nationwide vote by mail to facilitate massive voting fraud.

    The point of the massive voting fraud is to install the Chicom compromised candidate in the White House.

    The end.

  19. They have an internal understanding that anything done to get the win will be forgiven when they get the win, and they have some practical ability to a avoid or mitigate consequences if they don’t get the win.

    If there is any hope to beat them, the opposition whether GOP or watever successor regional parties, must build out these same capabilities. “We don’t do that” is a cope, fact is GOP people are scared of getting ratted out by their own side and then punished severely.

    Elections = expression of power not a source of power.

    Operational trust is a must

    • Replies: @James O'Meara
  20. Ah, logic. 1. Putin and Trump stole 2016. 2. It’s impossible that any brave public servant would cheat in 2020. Seeing a basic contradiction like that, and having self awareness to correct from that contradiction, requires too much rational thought. And such thought is evidence of whiteness: a proposition not coming from white supremacists, but from the DIE crowd.

    Here’s an example of deductive logic:
    1. Rationality and work ethic are examples of white supremacy.
    2. White supremacy must be destroyed.
    Therefore,
    3. Civilization is fucked.

    DIE rejects 3 even though they promote 1 and 2.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  21. tanabear says:

    If we lived in a sane country with the rule of law the Democratic Party would be outlawed as a criminal organization. It aids and abets illegal activity on an enormous scale. From illegal immigration, human smuggling, coup attempts, spying on Americans, voter fraud, supporting rioting, looting and murder; the Democratic Party has no equal. But as we don’t live in a sane country (USSA) we have to endure the anarcho-tyranny of the Left.

  22. Where do they find these people anyway? And how much are they paid?

  23. If Biden gets in he’s going to look very weak and frail by comparison.

    And if Kamala gets in? Division in the country like we’ve never seen. And that’s a good thing.

  24. Anon[402] • Disclaimer says:

    Remember, remember the 5th of November.

  25. theMann says:

    At this point, it is simply self-evident that the USA cannot run clean elections. Neither foreign election observers, nor a “non-partisan” private observer group, would be remotely free of bias, and barring a Constitutionsl Convention, no way to set a standard voting methodology free of corruption exists or would be implemented.

    As the current election process is simply saturated from to top to bottom with fraud, it is necessary and reasonable to assume:

    No Public Official in the USA legitimately holds their Office.

    The citizens of the United States are in fact relieved of any moral, or legal, obligation to recognize ANY legitimacy in our current wholy criminal regime. The time has now arrived for every citizen to engage in systematic, massive, and relentless civil disobedience on every level, especially the local level, until the entire regime is systematically wrecked by passive non-compliance.

    You could start by ditching your face diapers. Oh, and if you can’t even manage that much, make sure you turn around and lick them clean after they [email protected]#$ your ass, TPTB really like that.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  26. MLK says:

    You’ve asked the reasonable question through out whether one or both sides are holding back votes. No doubt, but it’s actually entire states that are being held back or slow walked.

    Give the Democrats and their Allied Media (Ds + AM) points for the election night rollout of their plan. Though not for inventiveness since they’re replaying the Iowa primaries script to a tee.

    We can assess that election night didn’t go as Ds = AM had hoped in that they were forced to play their Fox/AZ card. That’s been exceedingly costly, particularly for Fox, and was borne of necessity given that the ship sailed on Fake News CNN and MSDNC being that moving party.

    They succeeded with their backup plan, stealing WI and MI. Importantly, with MI just so happening to go for Sleepy Joe slightly more than the 1% automatic recount.

    I’m not saying it isn’t true, but it’s easy to overstate the advantages Ds have in the current state of play. Remember, GA has a Republican Governor and Trump remains ahead. AZ also has a Republican Governor and we’re at least hearing from people in a position to know that the count will flip back to Trump. Suffice it to say, neither of those states are the ones Democrats want as their condition precedents to victory.

    NC has a Democrat Governor but Trump remains ahead and it simply isn’t the state that Democrats are comfortable relying on. If they play that card, it will come after AZ and GA are called for Trump in my view.

    Ds + AM are well aware that the next shoes to drop present enormous narrative challenges. The best for Rs is AK and then shortly thereafter AZ for Trump. That will throw a monkey-wrench into their manufactured Biden inevitability theme under the rubric of count all the votes.

    If Trump wins AZ Ds + AM will be put between a rock and a hard place of whether to call foul. Doing so throws their narrative into disarray.

    That would project GA as next because Trump is up in NC. Ds don’t want to play that card until they have to. They assuredly will if GA is called for Trump.

    I haven’t yet mentioned NV and PA because those aren’t the states Ds want the outcome to turn on. NV only gets them to 269 without of one the others and there’s a lot of D voter fraud there that can be easily exposed.

    No, if Trump wins AZ and GA, NC is where the Ds + AM will go all out to either steal themselves into the lead or be forced to switch to an open and formal challenge of its outcome. What’s likeliest because it’s best for Ds is that they get Sleepy Joe into the lead in NC and declare him the winner. Then they pull the trigger on NV for the whole shebang.

    This forces Trump to challenge both NV and NC, along with, presumably, PA as well since it doesn’t make any sense for Democrats not to go for broke and, besides, otherwise a reversal in either NC or NV would sink them.

    • Replies: @MLK
  27. Thoughts says:

    Andrew Yang posted “Joe may win. But it feels like we lost something important last night.”

    All the Democrats are SUPER confused as to what he means by this….

    Some are thinking it refers to the AOC squad. Some are thinking he’s referring to the fact that so many white people are ‘Literally Hilter’ for voting for Trump.

    But none are even contemplating he’s referring to VOTER FRAUD from the DEmoNRats

    If I was Andrew Yang, I would look at how stupid and evil the people who are ‘on my side’ are and I would just leave. There comes a point when being a leader of the Idiots is not being a leader.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  28. botazefa says:
    @Altai

    People are posting this as evidence of some skullduggery, it looks more like he is weighing stacks of ballots and getting a different number than when he started or outside the margin of error he is supposed to meet

    What disturbs me more than the middle finger crumpling is the big screen on the wall reminding the predominantly black ballot counters that Trump is leading in Georgia. That kind of subtle messaging is likely to pay off in some measurable amount.

  29. El Dato says:

    At least the Russiagate dossier is closed “officially” now.

    It’s like when they are doing some Navy CSI or whatever and there is a problem with a major plot point that ran for a season but was then dropped because of writer’s block and which needs to quickly resolved before the main protagonists ride into the credit scroll. “So what about Russiagate”. “Oh, that… it was all the secretary who made it up from the beginning. You know? Let’s drive!”

  30. Tiny Duck says:

    1. there is no voter fraud

    2. trump and rethuglicans got their behinds kicked

    3. if there is voter fraud it was done by rethugicans

    4. what you are saying is dangerous to democracy

    5. the demographics spell your doom

    6. YOU LOST GET OVER IT EAT IT

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Replies: @El Dato
  31. Trinity says:

    I can tell you with ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE that no way in hell did Biden even have a chance in Georgia. Whether traveling in the Georgia mountains up north, or in suburban Atlanta like Gwinnett or Cobb County, or to the northwest in places like Rome, Ga., where Trump held a rally or in the center of the state in Macon, where Trump drew another massive crowd, this state is covered with Trump 2020 signs, flags, etc. The southern part of the state is the same. Sure, we have a African in America population of the 30% range here, and more than our share of Brownies, but there just isn’t any way Trump took the Peach State. I can tell you that with all certainty. You see only a handful of Biden signs in my neck of the woods here, they have to be outnumbered by at least 15 to 1 by Trump signs. Of course, here in JawJah, they almost got away with cheating in the gubernatorial or should I say “goobernatorial” race with that obese negro, Stacy Abrams. IF you believe that election for governor of the state of Georgia was on the level than you are as dumb as Creepy Joe. THEY nearly stole that one as well.

    Trump DEFINITELY TOOK MICHIGAN AND GEORGIA, THERE IS NO BONES ABOUT THOSE TWO STATES, AND MORE THAN LIKELY HE TOOK PA., WISCONSIN, ARIZONA, AND NEVADA.

    The rest of the world is laughing that we SELECTED a borderline retard as “our” President. America is wheezing as it crumbles, it must be the (((covid-19.)))

    • Agree: Father O'Hara
    • Thanks: Lurker
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  32. @Altai

    It did translate statewide. He got over 200K more votes than 2020.

    Urban totals in D-run states (compare other urban areas) are not credible, not close, and readily explainable by open and enthusiastically corrupt officials. They’re rubbing your noses in it and still you can’t catch a whiff.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Polynikes
    , @eD
  33. @Buffalo Joe

    Not by passive voice, that’s for sure.

  34. @Altai

    This is exactly where the Democrats are at with Trump.

  35. Crank says:

    So who is winning Steve’s poll? Hitler or conviction?

  36. danand says:
    @Altai

    “…poll watchers from Detroit were interviewed saying they had ballots signed by dead people.”

    The dead have been voting regularly for US president since at least the 1960 election. The honorable mayor Richard J. Daley made the practice infamous. I guess if I were one of the righteous, a true blue Democrat, I’d keep doing it too as long as the good people made it to office as a result of my good works.

    Would be something if it were Trump who finally had the cahoonas to really challenge this long standing institutionalized practice.

  37. It will be interesting to see if tax collection rates start to go down as the country’s social fabric continues fraying. Those also lean heavily on things like post mark dates, correct forms, proper ID, and voluntary reporting. The US is blessed with a very high tax collection rate compared to the rest of the world and it is the hallmark of a high trust society. But that is not guaranteed especially when it is an anomaly when compared to how the rest of society is run. Also, who wants a tax increase knowing that you cannot get any of it due to your skin pallor.

    Part of the reason we don’t use voter ID is because we refuse to use secure ID to fight illegals. It could literally be the same id. Liberals have no problem using high speed computers to hunt down white tax payers by cross checking ss# and tax id #s but when you take that exact same computer to check if that person can legally work, it suddenly becomes a racist computer. In fact, that is how ‘progressives’ collect a progressive income tax. If liberals are going to do jury nullification how about we do IRS nullification. We can drive the white tax rates to where the black rates are now.

    White people, and especially white men, are giving away all their power and it is going towards people and things that they do not really benefit from. It would be good to have some equality.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  38. Polynikes says:
    @Desiderius

    This. Trump didn’t “lose white males,” so much as the liberal white males who didn’t like Hillary and stayed home came out and voted for Biden. That’s believable. Trump actually gained support, though. That’s believable. Nothing there raises a red flag, imo.

    But what we’re supposed to believe is that Biden turned out the inner city vote in these contested inner city counties at a higher rate than Obama. It’s conceivable that the rate would be high, maybe even close to Obama levels, thanks to mail in ballots and an aggressive ground game (although bidens campaign compared to 08 Obama was laughable in comparison, imo). But having Biden way outstrip Obama’08 levels just doesn’t pass the smell test, imo.

    If you look at other cities in the Midwest in non contested states (and I’ve looked at a few but the data isn’t great yet) I bet you find what I wrote above: high turnout in those places because of the nature of this election but nothing that majorly outperforms what Obama did in ‘08.

    Having Biden close the gap and win in the swing states via these innercity areas with numbers that put Obama’s turnout numbers to shame should raise red flags.

  39. Hans says:

    Looking forward to the legislatures in PA, GA, AZ, WI, MI, and NC using their authority to seat Trump electors.

    https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/president-trump-must-stop-the-steal/

  40. eD says:
    @Desiderius

    Plus they pretty much said they were going to do this, before the election, with the “Transition Integrity Project” reported on iSteve.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  41. Trump’s lawsuit strategy — regardless of how it plays out — is defensive, dull, and Democratic (lawyers’ party).

    Once again we see Republicans attacking process (fraud) but not principle (convenience voting); though Trump did previously make a stink about unsolicited, mail-in ballots.

    A voter had better be prepared to wait in a long line, in poor, outdoor weather, etc. in order to exercise his right.

    Oh, and bring back the poll tax. $400/ballot (with the money redistributed to non-registereds) seems about right. Then again, with all the money pouring into campaigns, voters should have no trouble ponying up $1,000 each.

  42. JimDandy says:

    By any means necessary. Announce a national emergency and declare martial law. Expose every single piece of evidence of fraud. I’m here for it, Donny!

    • Disagree: botazefa
  43. The Democrats are going to drive us to violence if they don’t stop, and I think they won’t stop.

  44. anon[830] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s a fair point that desperate Democrats might cheating but……… how do you know Trump supporting vote counters in red districts aren’t also cheating?

    I guess we don’t know either way.

    How about we just assume that counters are decent enough people who will do their jobs?

    This should have been ‘beneath you’ as a supposedly ‘decent person’ which you supposedly are.

  45. Let’s be honest– in an election like this it’s highly likely that both sides cheated, ergo both sides need to shut the fuck up.

    The American Right has been completely embarrassing itself for the the last 48 hours… do they know how pathetic this cope looks to the rest of the world?

  46. MLK says:
    @MLK

    Looking at the numbers right now it seems that GA, not AZ is next up. Some R’s are complaining this morning that the count seems to have stopped in AZ but I think this is good given the lay of the land this morning. Per the NYT:

    Trump is up in GA by only.4% (49.6 — Biden 49.2) with 96% reporting.

    Trump is up 1.4% (95% reporting) in NC. That may be a bridge too far or, more likely, isn’t the card for the D vote stealers to play yet.

    Presumably GA is where we will see the inevitable re-canvas/recount no matter what. But the best sequencing for Republicans is GA added to Trump’s column, with AK and AZ added soon thereafter.

  47. Anon[337] • Disclaimer says:

    We are seeing a similar pattern in every swing state. But the magnitude of the pattern varies. Given a sometime theme of this blog is the relative underperformance of Milwaukee/Madison blacks relative to their counterparts in other Northern metros, it’s not surprising the scope of the malfeasance appears much greater in Wisconsin than in the other states. In Philly or Atlanta, eg. odds are someone would check the planned reported “vote” totals against registration numbers. In Milwaukee, it doesn’t appear anyone thought to do that.

  48. Gc says:

    From what counties are the rest of the Nevada votes coming from? I cannot find any info from MSM. Could it be that they are from red counties?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  49. I can’t believe Kamala is actually going to be president

    RIP Western Civilization

    • Replies: @El Dato
  50. AndrewR says:
    @Altai

    Why are you even on this site if you really believe that an even remotely significant number of white men in this country have a strong bias towards white male politicians? Hell, even David Duke openly praised Tulsi, and I don’t doubt his sincerity for a second. I’m sure he voted for her, or would have if he could have. Many people didn’t vote for Hillary because she was toxic in ways that Biden isn’t. And not everyone who refrained from voting for Trump this time voted for Joe. I’m one of the presumably-many Trump 2016 voters who simply sat this one out. And of course there were millions of “racist, sexist” (your words) white men who voted for Obama twice then voted for Trump in ’16. I’m sure that, this year, many of them abstained from voting, voted third party or went for Kamala Harris together with Joe Biden.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  51. Bert33 says:

    MSM has become highly partisan. CNN is poster boy for media reform and some kind of basic standards. Trump 2020

    • Replies: @Gc
  52. Lot says:
    @Altai

    I’m not terribly impressed by 1 dead Detroit voter.

    Violations of this will:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benford%27s_law

    • Replies: @res
  53. Lot says:

    The reason there isn’t as much election fraud in US elections, given the stakes, is you risk federal prison, but the reward is typically to someone else and pretty marginal.

    It was pretty obvious that the election might come down to PA, but two days ago, partisans on both sides expected to win landslides, making it not matter. The more partisan, the stronger the view.

    It did happen recently in a big way, and it was caught and turned out badly:

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/two-more-arrested-in-connection-to-alleged-north-carolina-election-fraud

    Another case in NC:

    https://abc11.com/voter-fraud-non-citizen-voting-election-can-non-citizens-vote/6402999/

    The biggest fraud is not organized. It is immigrants voting. Certainly I have voted many times in several states. I don’t think my citizenship was ever really checked.

    The Turkish non-citizen immivader/spree killer in Washington State illegally voted.

    The economic incentive for fraud is really in local elections where big money city contracts can come down to 20-30 votes in city council elections.

    • Thanks: ic1000
    • Replies: @V. Hickel
  54. anon[202] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump campaign filing suit in Nevada to halt counting of unverified ballots.

    The livestream of the Clark County presser featured an older woman who always votes in person. She went to vote this election and was informed she had already done so via mail. Obvious fraud is obvious.

    https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2020/11/05/nevada-trump-campaign-announcement-las-vegas-thursday-8-30/6172659002/

    Here’s a link to the presser vid.

    https://www.facebook.com/FOX5Vegas/videos/400447480992131/?t=552

  55. res says:
    @Altai

    That’s a dramatic difference. I think it would be clearer to order the x-axis 1-9 then show 3 bars for Biden, Trump, and Benford’s law prediction. Or do two plots as below.

    This link has Milwaukee ward totals if anyone wants to try replicating the analysis (they also reference this link in the Tweet replies).
    https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city

    Here is an analysis from 2016 showing very similar results.
    https://medium.com/@inboulder/the-curious-case-of-wisconsin-in-2016-389843a3fb6a

    Notice that Wisconsin as a whole looks pretty good in that analysis. And here is another analysis which only looks at the entire state (by county, compare the county plot in the previous link) and claims everything is OK.
    https://www.purdue.edu/discoverypark/ppri/docs/Wisconsin.pdf

    Be alert for that sort of redirection (looking at the entire state rather than just one city) when evaluating “debunking” claims.

    P.S. I am guessing they used wards rather than counties (there are 327 wards in Milwaukee). Do you know for sure?

  56. Think positively. Show goes on:

  57. OT: Prop 16 (to allow affirmative action again) failed in California, and by a fairly resounding margin. Opponents spent just $1.6 million and supporters over $30 million.

    Will universities do as they want anyway? If you look at Uni of California’s freshman admittance data then it’s pretty clear they’ve been engaged in massive AA over the past few years.

    • Replies: @Lot
  58. The real fraud here is that the democrats imported millions of foreign ringers to vote D. That’s undeniable.

    Democracy only works in a high trust, homogeneous society. We don’t have anything near that now and we won’t for the foreseeable future.

    The people asking ‘how do we win elections going forward’ are asking the wrong question.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund, Rob McX
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    , @anon
  59. I literally just got done posting a comment at Colin Flaherty’s site quoting that phrase (“by any means necessary”), and moved over here to check out Steve Sailer’s latest:

    — (https://whitegirlbleedalot.com/the-referendum-on-white-dudes-we-got-our-butts-kicked-a-new-podcast-from-colin-flaherty/)

    We really ought to take that phrase and red-pill people with it.

  60. Prime Minister McConnell ready to carry on much as before, after surviving the vote of no confidence with flying colors and challenger Pelosi properly chastened.

  61. Looking like I called it a year ago. Just as with the USFL Trump wins his case and his supporters end up with all of three crisp one dollar bills while TPTB sail along much as before.

  62. Since the Democrats have been publicly and unashamedly trying to delegitimize, weaken or even end the Trump presidency since 2016 by any and every means they could think of, the Republicans now should do much the same to them regarding Biden’s election. Does anyone believe they will though?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  63. TheJester says:

    I find current events an attempt at a classical leftist/communist coup. As a reference, Keith Rowe in his new book, “Savage Continent,” details how the Communists took over governments in Romania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria … and tried to take over the governments in Greece, Italy, and France after WWII. It is a stepped, well-thought-out process. We are in the midst of that process in the United States.

    [MORE]

    First, the coup plotters set the stage. When everything is in place, they execute. The process:

    1. Slowly and methodically infiltrate the schools and universities. Opposition teachers, professors, and administrators are brought up on trumped-up charges and fired. The objective is to influence young minds and public opinion. Besides, students make ideal demonstrators and protestors. Also, with little to lose, they also make good rioters and looters. DONE

    Aside: The practice of using young people to “deplatform”, “cancel”, and “defenester” the opposition is not new. They are time-tested processes in communist coups to delegitimize and silence the opposition.

    2. Slowly and methodologically infiltrate government ministries. The most important objective is to control the police powers of the state. The most important is the Ministry of the Interior. In our case, the FBI and the CIA. DONE

    3. A co-extensive step is the Ministry of Information… a.k.a. the MSM. The populace is oblivious because the process of infiltration is systematically withheld from the populace. The populace does not know what is happening … GoogleAppleFacebookTwitterAmazon. DONE

    4. Another co-extensive step is assuming control of the Ministry of Justice … although a fiat accompli if the Democrats are successful in stacking the Supreme Court. IN PROCESS

    The objective: The Communist-controlled police and the other police powers can then do what they want with impunity. The Communist-controlled courts will give the party and its operators a free hand, which will include declaring the constitutionality of emergency measures to protect the people from all of the “bad actors” in the previous administration.

    5. Bring people into the streets to protest and riot. This will be ongoing until the old administration folds. Hopefully, the outgoing government will shoot some of the demonstrators. The objective is to create the illusion (if not the fact) that the current government cannot govern. If not, the shadowy leftist conspiracy will bring in snipers to do the job for them. The Maidan in Ukraine is a classical example of this tactic. Antifa is doing its best to antagonize police so that someone … anyone … dies. Then, the cover story will be that the evil, illegitimate administration killed innocents. It’s best that the dead include women and children. Lacking that, sanctified minorities of one kind or another will do. DONE

    6. As Keith Rowe points out, the Communists typically try to gain power democratically. When that doesn’t work (2016?), through intimidation (Russiagate? Impeachment?). When that doesn’t work, through a simple process of stuffing the ballot boxes with the assurance that the courts will certify the outcome.

    Where do we stand? I’d say that we are about 75% of the way through a classical Communist coup. When did it start? I’d say the H. W. Bush administration is a good starting point. (Recall that the CIA headquarters is named after him.) Then, they struck paydirt with the Clintons. There is evidence that both Bill and Hillary have been CIA agents since their college years. Surprised? CIA agents are like “priests”. There is an indelible mark on their souls. Once a CIA agent, always a CIA agent … and, besides, Hillary has always had the demeanor of a “commissar” about her. The point: The CIA grew tired of trying to control events after-the-fact, i.e. the Kennedy assassination. Why not run their agents for office and be done with it?

    The definitive evidence of a Communist coup is that Kamala Harris, potentially the next President of the United States, recently declared that “equality of outcome” for all aspirants would be her administration’s objective. That means confiscation of wealth from the “haves” and redistribution to the “have nots”. Ergo, going forward, there is no such thing as private property. Someone has to control, manage, and redistribute wealth. Why not the Democrats? Why not Kamala? Why not Hillary? Why not their (((controllers)))? But collectively they cannot do their jobs unless they live in the “Big House” … which includes special privileges for special people who have special responsibilities in bring on the New World Order.

    And, by the way, it is a given that children, as a minimum, must be indoctrinated in “critical race theory” to make sure that their parents do not corrupt them and interfere with the introduction of the new (((Classless, Raceless, and Genderless Utopia))). The inevitable next step is to outlaw private schools to force children into the indoctrination process. ONGOING

    The saddest part: This is so “yesterday”! Unfortunately, the most aspiring among us have been fooled into thinking that it is “new”, “hip”, and “woke”. How naive … how gullible … how stupid!

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks, Lurker
    • Thanks: J.Ross
  64. Mr. Anon says:
    @Altai

    A few purported poll watchers from Detroit were interviewed saying they had ballots signed by dead people. (Again, I don’t know how they check this on the night.)

    Poll-watchers note the name, then look it up on their cell-phone and find it – along with other personally identifiable details – on the internet: obituary listings, geneaology sites, etc. I am amazed that Google remains a mystery to some people.

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
  65. Almost all of the ballot counters in Philly, Detroit, Atlanta, and Milwaukee are black women. Our election integrity is in the hands of the most incompetent and narcissistic demographic in the country (the world?) Anybody who has lived in a black-run city know that they’re run like 3rd world hellholes where the law is just a guideline to be discarded when convenient.

    There doesn’t need to be a massive Democrat conspiracy for there to be widespread voter fraud. Just legions of black women who can’t grasp abstract concepts like law.

  66. Gc says:
    @Bert33

    CNN just reported that Biden increases his lead in Nevada. He lead by 7 000 votes with 76 percent counted. I just read from Finnish tabloid that rest of the Nevada vote is coming from the Nevada countryside.

  67. IRS uses a similar number analysis to quickly detect suspicious tax reports when they have millions of returns to go thru. anything with lots of round numbers or numbers ending in 00 gets pulled and looked at more closely by an agent. or something like that. i don’t know the exact method.

    we don’t need any math or statistics to know democrats are cheating though. the question is can you prove it to any useful degree. democrats trade heavily on the fact that you can’t prove it most of the time. everybody knows they’re doing it, but that’s not what counts.

  68. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:

    FOR STEVE – NOT FOR PUBLICATION

    must be driven by office

    Should this be “must be driven FROM office”?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  69. @John Milton’s Ghost

    The DIE crowd are so mentally deranged they honestly believe that civilization has been STUNTED by white supremacy.

    There’s no reasoning with people that have suffered a permanent psychotic break from reality.

  70. @AndrewR

    ” I’m one of the presumably-many Trump 2016 voters who simply sat this out”

    You then actually voted for JB, however you are obviously too fucking dumb to comprehend this.

    Fuck you, you traitorous asshole.

    AJM “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, andpro jazz performer.

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  71. @Verymuchalive

    Trial by jury in America has collapsed in America since the 1950s. So a jury packed full of Dindus would almost certainly not convict.

    We should go back to making jury duty optional not just for women, but for blacks. Most would choose to stay home.

    One of Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s pet causes as a lawyer was forcing women onto juries. She was successful– her last case before the Supreme Court was Duren v. Missouri, the killer:

    Duren v. Missouri

    Question
    Does Jackson County’s practice of automatically exempting women from jury duty on request violate the Sixth and Fourteenth Amendment guarantees to a trial by a jury chosen from a fair cross section of the community?

    Taylor v. Louisiana

    Question
    Does an article of the Louisiana state constitution that limits female jury service violate a defendant’s Sixth Amendment right to a jury of his peers?

    Hoyt v. Florida

    Facts of the case
    A Florida statute automatically exempted women from jury duty and did not place women on jury lists. Women could, however, volunteer and register for jury duty. After an all-male jury convicted Mrs. Hoyt for murdering her husband, she appealed the decision to the Florida Supreme Court. The Florida Court upheld the conviction.

    Question
    Did the Florida statute violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment?

  72. Barnard says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Well, yes. It seems pretty clear they stole the Senate seat in Michigan from John James and are trying to use fraud to force David Perdue into a runoff in Georgia. They can’t really as much about House races because they produce their fraudulent votes in large municipalities that are all in House districts they win easily anyway. Still they work when they can in those races. There are still two House races in both Nevada and Arizona that are very close where votes are still being counted. In addition there are 10-12 in California still counting votes that the networks haven’t called. They do have finite resources and cheating for Biden is job #1, but they are going to help down ballot races where they can.

  73. epebble says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    honestly thinking about what their candidate could have done to get more votes

    I just did this thought experiment:

    If Trump was not so fiercely against mail voting:

    1. 10,000 potential voters, mostly elderly, mostly Trump voters in predominantly Battleground States could have voted. But they didn’t – because they died due to Covid in 2 weeks preceding Nov 3.

    2. 100,000 potential voters were hospitalized and didn’t go to polls.

    3. 1,000,000 became infected and were worried about quarantining, possible hospitalization and some were even worried about death. Many might not have gone to polls.

    All these numbers are large enough to make a difference for Trump. It is easy to imagine Trump could have won if he was not opposed to mail ballots.

    I also believe if Trump was not fiercely opposed to mask wearing, Biden would be looking at which Senior Care Center to join in today. Harris would be looking up recipes for Jambalaya or Masala dosa or Latke.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  74. @JimDandy

    By any means necessary. Announce a national emergency and declare martial law.

    The ballots are so tainted he may as well.

  75. Some third party observer with a smidgen of objectivity (Anatoly Karlin?) should interview Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders.

    The soberest leftie I know told me that the Republicans and Democrats are indistinguishable on the dimension of voter fraud behavior. He’s like “when you know the other side is cheating there isn’t any alternative to cheating”.

  76. @Ali Choudhury

    “If there was widespread fraud being perpetrated you would think the Dems would be using that to tilt tight House and Senate elections in their favour.”

    exactly what they did in 2018. over 20 races seemed to be won by the republican, then magically over the next week, they ALL went to the democrat. this is when we were SCREAMING for republicans to do something about it before the next election.

    this is also another way you know they’re doing it specifically for the White House race right now – Biden’s vote totals change but the down ballot numbers don’t change. 100,000 votes show up where the person ONLY voted for Biden, but didn’t vote for anything else on the ballot?

    in 2018 this was plausible ONLY in Kentucky, where the governor was the least popular in the country. so it might have made sense that thousands of people voted for the democrat for governor but for the republicans for other races. but that doesn’t make ANY sense here.

  77. @TheJester

    Jester-

    You may be interested in this thread arguing China is using the current virus situation to make the world China:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1324079045072556034.html

  78. @Ali Choudhury

    If there was widespread fraud being perpetrated you would think the Dems would be using that to tilt tight House and Senate elections in their favour

    That adds an entire level of complexity and possibility of getting caught, not that they really have much fear of any repercussions if caught. They don’t care about that other stuff this go ’round. It’s just Get Rid of Orange Man at All Costs.

    As far as just fielding better candidates, that’s like saying “Score more points” when one team’s fans complain about the officiating when it later comes out that the ref was on the payroll of one of the teams and called penalties at a 9 to 1 ratio in favor of that team. Sometimes, corruption is not just an excuse. Sometimes, it’s real.

  79. @theMann

    The time has now arrived for every citizen to engage in systematic, massive, and relentless civil disobedience on every level, especially the local level, until the entire regime is systematically wrecked by passive non-compliance.

    I agree. In spite of the suppression by the unholy alliance of big tech and the media and a Federal Bureaucracy CIA-FBI-SPY being dominated by blue hair single women types it will be very hard for the left to wield power they way it did under Obama due to leaks and open obstruction.

    With Obama (and Clinton), he had a ‘scandal free’ administration because the FBI / CIA were corrupted and the media / social media were in the bag for him. He was the proverbial tree that fell in the forest. With Trump, he was in a fish bowl and would have been outed the first time he stepped out of line. But Harris and Biden won’t have any of that. Conservatives will find and build work arounds to bypass the censorship and their will be a wave of freedom and a flourishing of right wing ideology.

    The other thing is that this wholesale cheating that is going on now with the elections will never go away or be forgiven. Win or lose, Trump needs to fight hard because the poison is now in the Democrats blood and they are stuck with this pig forever. Every detail of this will find its way onto the internet and the truth wills out.

  80. @Polynikes

    Keep coping, puto. I called the decline in white male support for Trump weeks before the election, because I observed it everywhere I went. Not only has white male support declined for Trump, white male self-identification as “conservative” has dropped by about 10% since 2019.

    It’s because white men realize that they succeed more under Democrats than under Republicans. White men are killing it under the COVID-19 Maoist dictatorship, while everyone else is sinking. That’s why white women and Latinos actually became more favorable to Trump in this election.

    • Replies: @anonymous as usual
  81. Lazlo says:
    @Anon7

    Just purely speculatively, if you were alive in Germany in the 1920’s, would you be morally obligated to seek Hitler out and kill him? Pure speculation, mind you, no practical application, because of course time travel is impossible, and it’s not like we’ve identified a Bad Orange Man who has already destroyed democracy as we know it, and probably murdered millions of innocents and strangles kittens right in the Oval Office

    As a loyal reader of 4chan, I can assure you this has been attempted by MIT students over 14 times since their time-machine was perfected in 2006. Out of the 14 attempts, only one timenaut has returned, and he only returned as an official dignitary for The Nazi party, to warn us off attempting to assassinate Hitler, while entreating us to send a small nuclear warhead to “save countless German and American lives.” Needless to say, MIT students and faculty dismissed this scheme, as far as we know.

    If unsuccessful, the timenaut had been instructed to kill himself, which he did in December of 2016, but not before being interrogated by MIT professionals, during which he confessed that every other timenaut had become members of the Nazi party. One timenaut who had “gone native” and served the nazi party with distinction had been a Jewish professor at MIT, one “Professor Shlomo Schwartz,” who had created a fake dossier of his family history, and changed his last name to “Himmler.”

    In February of 2017, a group of 12 Nazi timenauts appeared in the student recreation area at MIT. Three of them were apprehended, and immediately killed themselves, while 9 of them remain at large as far as we know.

    And now you know the rest of the story.

    Hopefully, these turns of events will inform the reader of not only of Hitler’s ability to persuade, but also that attempts to meddle with the machinations of the time continuum, is a fool’s errand, and letting Hitler be Hitler is the wisest choice in matters of time. It may not feel like the best choice, but it’s the better of the worse choices.

    In my opinion, this conclusion could be wisely applied to manipulating presidential elections.

    • Thanks: Rob McX
  82. Olorin says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    > The entire point of Beer Flu was to be a cudgel to implement nationwide
    > vote by mail to facilitate massive voting fraud.

    Exactly correct.

    But you ought to have been me this entire freakin’ year trying to convince people that not only was the thing a hoaxdemic setting up for election fraud, we know they chose from among many possible bioterrorism candidate agents. One that isn’t too dangerous, just enough to spin PR campaigns and hysteria about.

    For example, Wuhan Flu A was part of the 1996 (winter) flu shot given to Americans. It’s been around forever probably. See CDC worldwide update below. I’ve inserted paragraph spacing in a few places for easier reading, and broken out the list of people of most concern, same reason.

    Update: Influenza Activity — Worldwide, 1996 ….

    Editorial Note: In the United States, sporadic cases of influenza are common during the summer, but outbreaks of influenza, such as those observed in Washington and Hawaii during June and July, are not common.

    Although specific patterns of influenza activity and the time and extent of virus circulation cannot be predicted with certainty, the recent worldwide pattern of influenza suggests that all three influenza virus strains — type A(H3N2), type A(H1N1), and type B — will circulate during the 1996-97 influenza season in the United States.

    The influenza vaccine is updated annually to include viruses antigenically similar to the strains of the three distinct groups of influenza viruses that are in worldwide circulation.

    The influenza vaccine for the 1996-97 influenza season contains A/Texas/36/91-like (H1N1), A/Wuhan/359/95-like (H3N2), and B/Beijing/184/93-like antigens (2,4). For the A/Wuhan/359/95-like and B/Beijing/184/93-like antigens, U.S. manufacturers will use the antigenically equivalent strains A/Nanchang/933/95(H3N2) and B/Harbin/07/94 viruses, respectively, because of their growth properties.

    Since March 1996, most influenza viruses isolated worldwide have been antigenically similar to the vaccine strains.

    Vaccination against influenza is recommended by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices for
    –persons aged greater than or equal to 65 years; persons who reside in nursing homes or chronic-care facilities;
    –persons with chronic cardiovascular or pulmonary disorders, including children with asthma;
    –persons who required medical follow-up or hospitalization during the previous year because of diabetes or other chronic metabolic diseases, renal dysfunction, hemoglobinopathies, or immunosuppression; and
    –children and teenagers (aged 6 months-18 years) receiving long-term aspirin therapy and who therefore may be at risk for developing Reye syndrome after influenza.

    Vaccination also is recommended for health-care workers and other persons, including household members, in frequent contact with persons at high-risk for influenza-related complications.

    Pregnant women who will be in the third trimester during the influenza season may be at increased risk for medical complications following influenza infection and should consult with their health-care providers about receiving the vaccine. Influenza vaccine also can be administered to persons who want to reduce the likelihood of acquiring influenza (4).

    The optimal time for organized influenza vaccination campaigns is October through mid-November, but beginning in September, health-care providers should offer influenza vaccine to persons at high risk who are seen for routine care or as a result of hospitalization. Health-care providers should continue to offer influenza vaccine to high-risk persons until and even after influenza activity has been documented in the community.

    Although vaccination against influenza is the most effective means of reducing the impact of influenza, antiviral agents provide a useful adjunct. Antiviral agents available for the prophylaxis or treatment of influenza type A infection are amantadine hydrochloride and rimantadine hydrochloride. Neither drug is effective against influenza type B viruses.

    Use of antivirals may be considered in certain situations including
    1) as a control measure when influenza outbreaks occur in institutions — both for treatment of ill persons and as prophylaxis for others;
    2) as short-term prophylaxis for high-risk persons who are vaccinated after influenza activity has begun and who need protection for the 2-week period during which immunity is developing;
    3) as prophylaxis during peak influenza activity for persons for whom vaccine is contraindicated or for immunocompromised persons who may not produce protective levels of antibody in response to vaccination; and
    4) as prophylaxis for unvaccinated health-care workers and household contacts of high-risk persons either during peak influenza activity or until immunity develops after vaccination.

    Because amantadine and rimantadine are effective only against influenza type A, use of rapid diagnostic testing for influenza type A and close monitoring of local influenza surveillance reports may assist health-care providers in making treatment decisions for patients with ILI.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00043786.htm
    https://archive.is/bDTQx

    The way this thing was introduced into mass consciousness via a PRC/CCP fear porn campaign (people dropping in their tracks, authorities welding people in their houses, kidnappings on the street, mob scenes at hospitals, etc.), then the sudden wall-to-wall appearance of identically costumed but non-obese/non-tattooed “nurses” dancing choreographed numbers on TikTok–in settings resembling Hollywood hospital drama sets–told me all I needed to be skeptical.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  83. El Dato says:
    @Tiny Duck

    what you are saying is dangerous to democracy

    Ja! Jawohl!

    You MUST NOT SAY IT. Or else … Papier! Schnell!

    Trump accused of ‘gross abuse of office’ by OSCE election observer over call to halt count

  84. @Guy De Champlagne

    The real issue is ballot harvesting, which the Dems practiced en masse. “Community Organizers” gather the ballots from the residents of black projects and fill in the blanks for them. From Fox News,

    “Ballot harvesting, or the practice of allowing political operatives and others to collect voters’ ballots and turn them in en masse to polling stations, has drawn bipartisan concerns of fraud from election watchers.

    Several states have enacted some restrictions on the practice, while others have expressly allowed it or failed to regulate it at all. According to a 2019 analysis by Ballotpedia, 24 states and the District of Columbia permit someone chosen by the voter to return mail ballots on their own, with nine of those states adding some specific exceptions.

    Twelve states outline who specifically can return ballots (i.e., family members or caregivers); and one state explicitly requires only voters can return their ballots. Eleven states establish a limit on the number of ballots that a so-called “harvester” can return.

    Imposing restrictions on the practice has led to legal challenges. In Arizona, a federal appeals court upheld a ballot harvesting prohibition, despite a claim that it unfairly discriminated against minorities who might need help filling out their ballots.

    Some prominent examples of ballot harvesting have already impacted national politics. In 2016, California Gov. Jerry Brown signed into law AB1921, which legalized ballot harvesting. Previously, only a family member or someone living in the same household was permitted to drop off mail ballots for a voter, but the new allowed anyone — including political operatives — to collect and return them for a voter.

    HOW BALLOT HARVESTING HELPED DEMS ROUT GOP IN CALIFORNIA

    The move apparently led to results. In 2018, despite holding substantial leads on Election Day, many Republican candidates in California saw their advantages shrink, and then disappear, as late-arriving Democratic votes were counted in the weeks following the election. Many observers pointed to the Democrats’ use of ballot harvesting as a key to their success in the elections.

    Richard Kaufman, right, a volunteer election official in Superior Wis., helps Betty Bockovich cast a vote at a curbside voting station set up outside the Government Center in Superior, Wis., Tuesday, April 7, 2020. Voters could ring a doorbell and poll workers would come outside to help them vote in the state’s presidential primary election if they didn’t want to go inside to cast their ballots because of the COVID-19 outbreak. (Dan Kraker/Minnesota Public Radio via AP)
    Richard Kaufman, right, a volunteer election official in Superior Wis., helps Betty Bockovich cast a vote at a curbside voting station set up outside the Government Center in Superior, Wis., Tuesday, April 7, 2020. Voters could ring a doorbell and poll workers would come outside to help them vote in the state’s presidential primary election if they didn’t want to go inside to cast their ballots because of the COVID-19 outbreak. (Dan Kraker/Minnesota Public Radio via AP)
    “Anecdotally, there was a lot of evidence that ballot harvesting was going on,” Neal Kelley, the registrar for voters in Southern California’s Orange County, told Fox News at the time.

    In Orange County — once seen as a Republican stronghold in the state — every House seat went to a Democrat after an unprecedented “250,000” vote-by-mail drop-offs were counted, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

    “People were carrying in stacks of 100 and 200 of them. We had had multiple people calling to ask if these people were allowed to do this,” Kelley said.

    Orange County Republican Chairman Fred Whitaker said the ballot harvesting “directly caused the switch from being ahead on election night to losing two weeks later.”

    EX-CLINTON LAWYER THREATENS TO SUE NEVADA UNLESS IT RESTRICTS BALLOT HARVESTING

    Later, in 2019, a GOP operative in North Carolina was arrested related to alleged ballot harvesting there.

    “The evidence that we will provide today will show that a coordinated, unlawful and substantially resourced absentee ballot scheme operated in the 2018 general election” in parts of North Carolina’s 9th Congressional District, former state elections director Kim Strach remarked at the time.

    The results in the race were eventually thrown out amid concerns of ballot harvesting and other fraud. Republican Dan Bishop won a September 2019 special election for the seat.

    RealClearInvestigations has found ballot harvesting is common in other states, including Florida, where harvesters are known as “boleteros,” and Texas, where they’re called “politiqueras.”

    The issue was again thrown into focus in March, when an ex-Clinton lawyer threatened to sue Nevada unless it relaxed its ballot harvesting rules amid the coronavirus pandemic.

    “GET RID OF BALLOT HARVESTING, IT IS RAMPANT WITH FRAUD,” President Trump wrote on Twitter on Tuesday. “THE USA MUST HAVE VOTER I.D., THE ONLY WAY TO GET AN HONEST COUNT!”

  85. El Dato says:
    @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills

    The only question is whether Joe will get into an unfortunate health situation (possibly with COVID) before January or after.

  86. ic1000 says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Topic sentence: “Republicans have been trying and failing to make an issue of voter fraud, especially in person voter fraud for years.”

    Sentence #3: “But it’s worrying and kind of boring to see people whose opinions I always thought were interesting and intelligent to suddenly calcify around Trump is 100% the best choice, Trump is 100% going to win, and now, there was 100% massive voter fraud.”

    Mr. De Champlagne, that may be boring but it’s a non-sequitor, and a misleading one. I don’t hold any of those views, but I still think voter fraud is a major concern in a closely contested election. Such as this one. So what I find worrying (a system that permits and incentivizes fraud, and for one party more than the other) is different from what you find worrying.

    “But with the decades long tradition of talking about in person voter fraud, what’s more pathetic, the republicans being right and completely incapable of marshaling evidence to convince a critical mass of people, or the republicans being wrong…”

    Agree with that.

    Perhaps the most glaring disconnect between what I see on mainstream TV news and what I read at both dissident and Trumpist websites is the framing of the issue.

    Watching Chuck Todd and his covey of NBC News folks delve into the intricacies of vote totals and subtotals, I have not seen any of them take the concept of “fraud” seriously. It’s just a silly set of tweets by the outgoing President, that have fortunately been debunked by Jack Dorsey’s team. Could manipulation actually have affected any of the numbers that they so lovingly stroke? Not worth mentioning. Have there been any credible accounts of irregularities, or indirect evidence of possible hijinks? The absence of discussion says no. Like NPR with a laptop, they won’t stoop to investigate.

    As far as worryworts (and patriots and small-d democrats) being “completely incapable of marshaling evidence to convince a critical mass of people” of the distinct possibility of result-changing voter fraud of various flavors — Most normal Americans don’t know much about the nuts and bolts of elections. They assume that the journalists that they watch and read are charged with giving a fair account, and are by and large doing that job.

    I don’t think either premise is plausible, but as long as most of my fellow citizens keep that faith, they (and we) are going to keep getting this version of democracy, good and hard.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Disagree: Corvinus
  87. Yes. Not to mention that the seat of all disinformation is Russia, not Tech Giant- and MSM- censorship and deplatforming.

  88. Lot says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Will universities do as they want anyway? If you look at Uni of California’s freshman admittance data then it’s pretty clear they’ve been engaged in massive AA over the past few years.

    I agree the UC system still has illegal AA programs. However, Prop 209 still caused them to scale them back by a large margin. So the vote this week to keep it was a big victory.

    Example: Stanford undergrads are 8% black, UC Berkeley is 2%.

  89. @Guy De Champlagne

    “pathetic, the republicans”

    Indeed they are. Whilst the GOP remained captive of market worship, Jesus worship, and Zionism, those crafty lil Dems made the pact with evil and became the vessel for global finance, the tech Borg, and the intelligence agencies. This is rebuilding time for the Republicans; they’ll tap Paul Ryan to lead their reconstruction. Because they are pathetic and dumb.

  90. The communists in this country does not care how Trump is kicked out.

    If they’ve been willing to attempt a Russia Hoax Impeachment Coup and then burn down American cities all summer, what makes you think a little voter fraud is beyond them?

    To a communist, the rule of law be danged.

  91. Rob McX says:
    @TheJester

    I read that excellent book a while back. One thing you don’t mention is that these communist coups were carried out with the collusion of the Allies. Remember Churchill’s infamous percentages agreement with Stalin, whereby a large swathe of Europe was sold out to the Soviets. Greece only escaped a communist takeover because its future had been decided already, at the expense of countries closer to the USSR.

    Countries: Soviet Percentages ———— UK Percentages

    Bulgaria: 75% → 80% —————- 25% → 20%
    Greece: 10% ——————— 90%
    Hungary: 50% → 80% ———— 50% → 20%
    Romania: 90% → 100% ————— 10% → 0%
    Yugoslavia: 50% ————— 50%

    Churchill told Stalin Poland was “very much a Russian affair” (remind me again why Britain declared war in the first place) and the Soviet-Romanian armistice was “reasonable and showed much statecraft in the interests of general peace in the future.”

  92. @Guy De Champlagne

    Republicans have been trying and failing to make an issue of voter fraud, especially in person voter fraud for years. Maybe they’ll get some traction this time because it really is a new voting system. But it’s worrying and kind of boring to see people whose opinions I always thought were interesting and intelligent to suddenly calcify around Trump is 100% the best choice, Trump is 100% going to win, and now, there was 100% massive voter fraud.

    There is this idea known as fraud indicators. Two of the more obvious are:

    (1) All vote counting suddenly stopped simultaneously in four battleground states, then resumed several hours later with a sudden surge of pro-Biden ballots.

    (2) In many areas of the country with widely varying demographics, Trump increased his support among blacks and Hispanics as well as there being a coat tail effect in Senate and House races. Yet we are supposed to believe that all these indicators somehow, and suddenly, evaporate and the electorate behaves in the way the pollsters predicted (instructed us) they were going to behave.

    It is almost as if the pollsters were priming us before hand and a certain amount of fraud was to be employed to push a minor Biden win into the landslide category, all the better to disgrace Trump, yet the actual Trump bounce caught them by surprise and they had to quickly and suddenly phony up several hundred thousand more ballots.

    I would be interested in a statistical analysis of the performance of Senate and House candidates, who all are presumably of sound mind, versus the sudden surge of votes for Biden, who suffers from dementia.

  93. @Reg Cæsar

    I am so sick and tired of femnizts who work tirelessly to inject more government into the lives of my laissez faire-ish daughters.

    Last I saw those busybody shrews were trying to get women declared eligible for front line, US military combat positions.

    It’s not enough that I have to worry about the army someday drafting my sons ..

  94. It would be awesome if Trump just refused to recognize the outcome of the election and rescheduled an in-person voting only election for the spring. But he will concede and with that, he will become the last ever Republican president.

  95. WesTex says:

    Steve – are the Dems stealing this thing?

  96. res says:
    @Lot

    I looked into the Milwaukee and Detroit results in terms of Benford’s law. There are discrepancies for the Biden vote in both, but there are similar discrepancies for the number of registered voters.

    I think what we are seeing there is an artifact of them sizing voting wards (Milwaukee) or precincts (Detroit) to contain about 400-2000 voters and then having Biden get near 100% of the votes.

    I would be very much interested in a second opinion about that.

    Looking at the second order tests is actually a bit more interesting. In both cities the number of registered voters gives a nice fit to Benford’s law with this test, but the candidate totals are somewhat anomalous.

    Perhaps the fraudsters are smarter than we give them credit for, but not quite smart enough?

    This PDF gives an overview of different Benford tests.
    https://www.acfe.com/uploadedFiles/Shared_Content/Products/Self-Study_CPE/UsingBenfordsLaw_2018_final_extract.pdf

    I have been using this R package which appears not to support all of the tests described in that PDF.
    https://www.rdocumentation.org/packages/benford.analysis/versions/0.1.5

    I played around with some of the other tests, I am not sure I trust ANY of these numbers. Should probably try downloading similar data from other areas. Any suggestions?

  97. @SimpleSong

    You are correct. We have disintegrated to tribes.

  98. syonredux says:

    FORBES’ movie reviewer Scott Mendelson :

    Consider yourself… replaced.

    Charlottesville, Virginia isn’t fully done counting ballots, it appears, but Biden is currently mopping the floor with Trump, getting 83.4% of the vote. This is up from Clinton’s victory of 79.7%.

    Guess this means that those Alt-Right protestors were correct…..

  99. @TheJester

    A long comment on Unz that is actually worth reading.

    “the most aspiring among us have been fooled into thinking that it is ‘new’”

    It’s ancient. It’s downstream from Babylon. Those of the Long March you described above would not be adverse to adding a little bio-weapon action to the already toxic stew. It would be so handy in erasing expensive oldsters from the state budget; behavior modification test-runs to see if people will hand over freedom for the mirage of safety; and disrupting an important election. The dull grey obedience they offer is a gyp when compared with the flash and fashion of fascism. I’ll take a job with the Sicherheitsdienst; I’m too old for the Waffen SS.

  100. BB753 says:

    Election fraud is who we are.

  101. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimpleSong

    Democracy only works in a high trust, homogeneous society.

    Agreed. Democracy only works if people can debate reasonably with each other on issues, at least at some minimal level.
    In a heterogenous, low-trust society, lying and cheating reach such a degree that reasoned disagreement is not possible. I can negotiate with a competitor, but not with a thief.
    Granted that lying and cheating will always be afoot, but in old America it was kept at enough of a minimum that rational political negotiation was possible.
    It no longer is.
    And if we can’t settle our differences through negotiation and compromise, it is sure we will settle them by subterfuge and force.

  102. vhrm says:
    @anon

    It’s a fair point that desperate Democrats might cheating but……… how do you know Trump supporting vote counters in red districts aren’t also cheating?

    I guess we don’t know either way.

    How about we just assume that counters are decent enough people who will do their jobs?

    Well, it’s probably true that there’s cheating on both sides, but i think it’s just easier to hide significant numbers in denser places without getting detected.

    Also, the assumption that most of the counters ARE legit, makes it more likely that the most significant fraud would happen where there is the most leverage.

    i.e. let’s say a single corrupt person can move some race in their area by 1%. It would take corrupt people in 10 25k voter counties to equal one in a 250k voter one.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  103. Actually this whole malaise will end up aiding the DT campaign as the fact and issue of vote-fraud is not going to go away, and they, the Dem scumbags, they know that we know what they are doing, as in the past it was a non-issue which no one on the Repub side wanted to approach, and avoided to confront.

    First rule in such a situation is : Bring it out verbally, make it into a topic, and of course they will deny it vengance, but the most important aspect is : They know that we know.

    AJM

  104. @RichardTaylor

    “If Biden gets in he’s going to look very weak and frail by comparison.”

    Not with 100% of the media/academia/Wall Street on his side. They’ll cover for him.

    • LOL: Corvinus
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  105. @Thoughts

    “Andrew Yang”

    I supported the non-existent ticket of Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard in 2020. I will support the non-existent ticket of Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang in 2024.

    “All the Democrats are SUPER confused”

    And that includes the dim governor of California. Gavin Newsom is no doubt SUPER disappointed Grinning Skull Joe and The Laugh will soon regale themselves in the pageantry of DC. Newsom’s loathsome Lady Macbeth was already planning the White Christmas party for 2025.

  106. @Polynikes

    Since you mentioned Nature 😉

    Nature Magazine doesn’t know how a scientific survey works.

    And doesn’t care.

    https://mol.im/a/8917883

    Daily Mail link.

  107. Dr. Doom says:

    Not a coincidence that these things seem to occur in “urban” “inner cities”.

    That way they can scream “RACISM” to cover their tracks.

    I somehow doubt this tactic will work on Trump.

    Wars have been fought for less.

    They’re turning America into a homosexual banana republic…

  108. @syonredux

    I know idiot Dems on the west coast [ok, redundant] who are firmly convinced that Charlottesville is packed to the brim with Nazis for Trump. “And what about that poor girl who was gang raped at the college there. They never even prosecuted those frat boys.”

    You may say it sounds crazy and I’m playing it for laughs, but these people will defend their beliefs unto death. The future of our nation depends on it! Alternate reality.

  109. With the ad nauseum and massive anti-Trump media choir, including the social networks and search engines etc. Plus those of us who work in the increasing “woke” corporate Amerka who keep our mouths shut from fear of being cancelled (a very real fear) and the subsequent loss of income. I’m surprised he’s pulling 48% of the popular vote. I know the lefties are starting to celebrate but after such humongous effort across so many fronts, including the traditional $$$ spent on the election where the Biden campaign way outspent Trump, I’d be a bit worried for the next election cycle, especially if one or two elements of the coalition of the fringes feels there not getting there just due and the violence doesn’t subside……..

  110. @RichardTaylor

    No, there will be no division. It will be just bad theater. The GOP is in on this steal. No doubt they will use “gridlock” as a reason to not tax the “good and proper” rich. Middle class will get a bipartisan skrew jobs in the name of progress and cooperation. Willie’s rider will sign EO on things like anti fracking , climate change, and shutdowns. The GOP will fart a few times, and then do a hollow bluster for the TV news show that no one will be watching with orange man gone.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  111. @Reg Cæsar

    What exactly does tha phrase “jury of your peers” mean?

    And while negro nullification is already a problem, making service optional would increase the proportion of “true believers” among that cohort.

    Along with the chronically unemployed, to whatever extent those groups are distinct..

  112. gregor says:
    @Rewc

    This is my default assumption as well. I suspect outright fake voting is not nearly as common as conservatives claim. Although I don’t categorically deny it as a possibility.

    I think the voter fraud allegations are best understood in combination with the mirror image claims by Democrats of “voter suppression.” They are flip sides of the same coin.

    What’s really going on is that Democrats rely to a great extent on “low agency” voters (especially blacks) and the Democratic machine has to practically drag some of people to the polls. Any barrier to voting whatsoever is likely to prove too much for these D voters. Registration, ID, no early voting, strict poll closing times. Any sort of barrier or rule whatsoever (even very reasonable ones) will disproportionately hurt Democrats. The Democrat ideal would be to have as wide of a voting window with as few restrictions as possible.

    Republicans see these sorts of rules as reasonable and say, hey, if you don’t have the motivation to get registered and go vote that’s on you. It’s not “suppression” if you forgot to register, forgot to show up, etc. Democrats do not look at this way though. They see anything that stochastically reduces their votes as suppression.

  113. The usual band of MAGA operatives are planning protests. Those good hearted fools who attend will be the unsuspecting trigger for our color flag revolution’s big finale. They will be the ones seeing courtrooms. Not the democrat operatives doing the steal. Nor will the MAGA operatives, many of which are probably deep state employees and assets. Sorry but there is something that seems a bit off with the celebrity MAGA crowd.

  114. J.Ross says:

    Individuals whose votes were stolen and those who witnessed vote tampering and interfedence with poll watching are going public with their names and signing affidavits. It is now beyond speculation. It is clear that the Democrats use the same clumsy method which got the election honcho of Shadowed Broward County fired: wait to see how many fraudulent votes need to be manufactured, then work all night discovering them. Florida Governor DeSantis ended this practice by setting good rules with time limits and accountability. Not only should Trump win but this should become a scandal mandating that every Republican-controlled state legislature impose the DeSantis system.

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
  115. Ctrl-F count for “fraud” for 73 comments, plus tweets: 47

    Comments alone: 35.

    C’mon, guys! That’s only 48%. A runoff in Atlanta or the rice swamps!

  116. J.Ross says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    No. The Democrats resorted to defamation because they didn’t actually have anything. We’ve got piles of evidence. We shouldn’t defame, we should prosecute. Start by replacing Chris Wray with Matt Whittaker.

  117. as says:

    NY Times: Fulton County

    Biden 368,864

    Trump 133,586

    Clinton 297,051

    Trump 117,783

    Obama 248,479

    Romney 133,837

    Obama 272000

    McCain 130136

  118. @anon

    It’s a fair point that desperate Democrats might cheating but……… how do you know Trump supporting vote counters in red districts aren’t also cheating?

    Because he’s not getting 101% of the vote anywhere.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Troll: vinteuil
    • Replies: @vinteuil
  119. Olorin says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    There are ample forensic methods to discover, map, and identify a phenomenon based on its data tracks. Ask any financial forecaster, insurance actuary, lottery/casino security analyst, or comet tracker.

    Fraud with numbers leaves quantitative tracks like a comet’s long tail. The more blatant the fraud, the more the quant tracks glow.

    In the case of the 138,000 MI votes found in one urban area for Biden and only Biden (not one vote going to any other candidate)–I shared yesterday the discussion I had with some back-of-envelope scrawling quants. The probability of this happening organically is so slim, it’s 10^1?? more likely you can walk through your living room wall and not hit any of the atoms in it. The probability of it happening in so many places? It loops back around to the realm of (vicious) nonsense.

    Any enterprise engaged in complex data stuff does this sort of data forensics all the time to sort good from bad data, or to keep an eye on bad players. Finance, insurance, real estate, Pharma, media analysts, marketing researchers….

    We are well past the moment in history where it’s time to start taking our voting counts as seriously as corporations take who’s winning what at Vegas and ATL City slot machines. Or how much cleavage on Fox translates into how much viewer share as reflected by clicks on Hannity.

    The Dems have been screeching all this year–at The Atlantic, at The New Republic, at all the usual places–about how losing their massive advantage with the sunsetting of the 1982 GOP Consent Decree means that Republicans are “free to create chaos” around this election.

    In fact, what they are calling “chaos” is heated but largely rational response to the unnatural things they are and have been doing with and to numbers for at least 60 years.

    Bring on the quants. Let’s get a look at these “vote counts.”

    I’m sick of watching Republicans constantly take some “high moral ground” when the opposition is destroying everything in its path with crimes against nature.

    Which is what their data fraud is, at bottom. A crime against Logos in the realm of numbers, parallel to their MSM propaganda/lies that desecrate language.

  120. @Gc

    It could be, but, man, Gc, that State is extremely sparsely populated, other than in those 2 blue counties, Clark County in the southeast of the state with Las Vegas, and Washoe County in the west (extending up to Oregon, but all the rest is desert) with Reno and Tahoe.

    It’s the illegal alien progeny and Californicators vs. the old-timey ranchers, miners and other people of the land.

  121. Thomas says:

    What we’re seeing with these “ballot counts” is a literal microcosm of what the Democrats’ long-term electoral strategy has been. Just like an endless stream of ballots for Biden keep turning up until they get the result they want, an endless stream of foreigners keep turning up until the Democrats win.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  122. Eagle Eye says:

    The formerly respected periodical NATURE prostitutes herself with yet another screed cobbling together a litany of quotes from (mostly female) “scientists” complaining that [President] Trump and the assorted deplorables still refuse to to prostrate themselves before the diktats of ¡SCIENCE! The brazen effrontery!

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03120-8

    It’s high time the uppity hoi polloi learn to F***ing LOVE ¡SCIENCE! and swallow the pearls of wisdom that fall from the lips of our distaff academics.

  123. Brutusale says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Ever vote, Ace? Ever fill in those little circles? How long does it take?

    There was only one race important enough to cheat.

    Additionally, look at how many more votes Biden got than those Democratic candidates down ticket. A rare happenstance that just happened to occur, especially in AZ and MN.

  124. @syonredux

    As if those numbers are surprising in a college town… And he’s so proud of himself.

    And the fact that he thinks the 17% in Charlottesville voters who didn’t vote properly deserve whatever fate awaits them at the hands of the 84% is just very… Bolshevik of Mr. Mendelson

  125. Flip says:

    It is clear that the Democrats/Deep State/Soros are in the process of stealing the election. At what point do conservative whites take to the streets or start resorting to violence? I think people should view the Biden/Harris regime as illegitimate.

    I think Trump would be lucky to lose. If he’s reelected they’d probably JFK him.

    • Replies: @Corn
  126. Lazlo says:
    @anon

    It’s a fair point that desperate Democrats might cheating but……… how do you know Trump supporting vote counters in red districts aren’t also cheating?

    I guess we don’t know either way.

    How about we just assume that counters are decent enough people who will do their jobs?

    If the measure of I.Q. Can be whittled down to “The ability to identify patterns that those with lower I.Q.’s cannot,” then you’ve taken yourself out of the discussion, since you see no difference between voting centers in Democrat-influenced territories, overseen mostly by middle-class and/or poor single women in general, and minority women in particular, some proudly wearing “Biden for President” face masks while tallying votes, and voting centers operating under far less fascistically, intellectually inbred, and socially retarded circumstances.

    That is, the reason you choose to cling to shallow hopes and magical thinking, is the same reason you’re a moron, and also why you should avoid politics, and stick to clipping your toenails in a consistent, and timely manner.

    Moving forward and put simply for the simple-minded, the Trump Strategy will be to employ professional, intelligent people into putting heavy pressure, both legally and logically, on the retards by which, being distressed retards, will collapse the Retard Strategy by their own retarded missteps, since retards under pressure always respond to pressure with the consistency of a cheap Korean watch. That is, they start fucking up immediately.

    Good-bye, and you’re welcome.

  127. botazefa says:
    @theMann

    The time has now arrived for every citizen to engage in systematic, massive, and relentless civil disobedience on every level,

    That’s the antifa way of looking at it, too. Somehow I don’t see the right uniting with antifa, and that’s what it would take to get real change.

    Too bad the oligarchic America Aristocracy is so effective at keeping us proles divided.

    I notice there aren’t too many Black guys in antifa – a credit to their rational fear of large groups of young white women? If I’m being honest, I have a helluva lot more in common with Black guys than I do with the Bezos faction.

  128. The last of the last postal votes to come in will be the military ones. They might skew more for Trump. 2nd Amendment supporters and so on.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  129. Lot says:
    @res

    Thanks, you are doing God’s work. Happy to give you second opinions to the extent I am capable.

    I think what we are seeing there is an artifact of them sizing voting wards (Milwaukee) or precincts (Detroit) to contain about 400-2000 voters and then having Biden get near 100% of the votes.

    It may mean you focus on the second, because the hundred digit is always 0, 1, or 2. The distribution of the second digit should still be weighted towards 1.

    And Benford’s law is just the best way of catching faked numbers. The final digit distribution may also not look random.

    Here’s an article on this, which I could download for free:

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/political-analysis/article/benfords-law-and-the-detection-of-election-fraud/

    It notes that when faking data, people avoid double digits. So while 11, 22, 33, etc will make up 1/10 of the final two digits in random sequences, faked data they will be less common.

    • Replies: @res
  130. Anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t think it generally operates by relying on idealism and ideological commitment. You need to dish out tangible benefits – cold hard cash, jobs, power – to rig elections effectively.

    Most voter fraud is at the local levels which people hardly pay attention to. At these local levels, it’s all about money, power, and patronage. The voting fraud infrastructure and tactics developed and honed at these local levels then gets deployed in national elections if or when necessary. Party operatives get paid and poll workers get bribed to stuff ballots and the like. These days it’s often indirect via “political consultants”. Candidates pay political consultants who then pay/bribe people to stuff ballots.

  131. Rob says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    If there was widespread fraud being perpetrated you would think the Dems would be using that to tilt tight House and Senate elections in their favour. Any evidence of that happening?

    There is a very good reason why they might cheat Trump out, but not cheat their Senate candidates in. The reason is the Republican establishment. There’s not just one party that wants to get rid of Trump. Remember how the Republicans did not do a party platform this election? Remember how no one besides his family wanted to speak at the convention? Remember back a few years now, when Trump proposed the RAISE immigration reform legislation, and only one Senator was willing to sponsor it?

    The Republican elite despised Candidate Trump and everything he stood for. They have a problem though. The base loved Candidate Trump. If the establishment openly turns him into roadkill, they become an elite without voters. They have to get rid of him while looking like they didn’t. President Trump is totally colored. Personally, I think the Senate Republicans promised not to convict him when he was inevitably impeached in exchange for dropping the populism. Just a hypothesis. Maybe they’ve promised not to leave his kids in prison and poor after he leaves office.

    The Dems getting rid of Trump, even with fraud if they have to, is something McConnell et al will thank them for behind closed doors. But if they start going after Republican Senators? That is not kosher, at all. The Republicans would throw a hissy fit over that,

    My half-assed not-fraud theory is that poorly run, chaotic, shitshow election ‘fraud’ is actually just TNB. The blacks in Philly, and wherever else, just aren’t smart enough to handle anything as complicated as an election and subsequent vote counting,

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  132. martin_2 says:
    @Rob McX

    My late and ex Father In Law, wounded at El Alamein, was sent to Greece immediately after the war to try to deal with the Communists there. He said that he just wanted to come home to England, since the war against Hitler and Mussolini was over. If he and his comrades had then been asked to fight the Russians, a former ally, then there would have been a mutiny.

    • Thanks: Rob McX
  133. vinteuil says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Sorry – tried to click on lol, but it came up as troll, and apparently there’s no way to correct my mistake.

    • LOL: James Speaks
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  134. Putin doesn’t get nearly enough credit for his genius. He stole the election from the most qualified, scrupulously honest, personally popular, rigorously disciplined candidate in history with $80 K’s worth of Facefook ads.

    Mini-Mike Bloomberg meanwhile, despite his heroic workload and personal charisma spent $550 Million and only got 6 Samoans.

    Putin’s next plan is to discover that his Father was really a Puerto-Rican who became an American citizen and arranged for Vlad to be born in Alaska.

    Nuke Moscow now!
    (and brush up your Russian)

  135. You might as well face it, you’re addicted to Gov.

    • Replies: @AZ Reader
  136. @Altai

    Worst case scenario, maybe the ballots weight more than the expected weight for the number that were signed off on?

    That would mean that there where ballots uncounted.

    The converse is obviously the case.

  137. Marty says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Don’t know if they still exist, but there used to be magazines for trial lawyers in which seasoned pros offered practice tips, kinda like Golf Digest. I’ll never forget an article from the late ‘80’s in which a trial horse from Beverly Hills disclosed that he lost his first five jury trials. He said that in the 5th, a survey of the jurors revealed that they had misunderstood the meaning of some common word we’d expect all 8th graders to know. He said that once he stopped over-estimating the intelligence of the venire, he started winning.

  138. @Mr. Anon

    Poll-watchers note the name, then look it up on their cell-phone and find it – along with other personally identifiable details – on the internet: obituary listings, geneaology sites, etc. I am amazed that Google remains a mystery to some people.

    You are correct. When my wife passed away, one of my two life insurance claims was settled in this same manner. No Death Certificate required; my wife’s obituary & funeral notice were in her hometown newspaper (online). Everything was thus considered to be in order.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  139. @vhrm

    ‘Well, it’s probably true that there’s cheating on both sides, but i think it’s just easier to hide significant numbers in denser places without getting detected.’

    I don’t think so. It would never occur to most rural and small-town whites to cheat.

    It would never occur to most urban blacks that there was anything wrong with cheating.

    You are of course right in that there would be exceptions on both sides — but that’s a different matter.

  140. Denmark is officially the most retarded country on Earth:

    Coronavirus: Denmark imposes lockdowns amid mink covid fears

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54833459

  141. Altai says:
    @res

    https://mielections.us/election/results/2020GEN_CENR.html

    Here is the data for Michigan at large. I found the xls file not opening in excel or using read_xls in R. I just opened it in open office calc and saved it as a csv from there.

  142. Lazlo says:

    Biden has just pulled ahead of Trump in Erie County by 48 votes?!

    Call in the feds. This is gonna take a while.

  143. @Rob McX

    OTOH the UK took pretty stern action to hang on to Greece – IIRC we surrounded various units of ELAS (Communist guerrillas, allies against Germans) with artillery then told them to disarm or be shelled. Stalin and the Communists stayed silent as this happened (he probably thought the quid pro quo was that he could do as he pleased in the “Soviet sphere of influence”).

  144. Corvinus says:

    As expected, the gas lighting by Mr. Sailer on this issue begins.

    The plan all along by Trump and his toadies was to prime the pump months before the election. He said the only way he loses is by massive fraud, essentially declaring himself the winner in any and all circumstances. Now that it appears that he may lose—even though he could pull off a win—the wheels are put into motion the various legal challenges based on accusations rather than definitive proof.

    Now Mr. Sailer claims he NOTICES patterns. So please put your skills to the test by providing specific case examples with analytical data that exactly shows how widespread, perpetual fraud is being committed in those areas you cited, rather than the bold claims being spouted repeatedly.

  145. Just an observation on the HBD Mitten’s mask mandate and lockdowns – somehow nobody gives a shit about the WuFlu anymore. Stores that were semi-militant about the face diaper rule are today unconcerned when an unmasked man walks in.

  146. @Rewc

    ” Negroes probably have a tough time counting beyond 10 because they run out of fingers.”

    Whitey’s fault, for making them wear shoes.

    “The uncounted ballots in Ga and Pa are from negro areas, for in case you haven’t noticed.”

    “Don’t worry, the monster has only reached the negro part of town.” — English dubbing for Godzilla v. The Smog Monster, until riots in urban theaters forced a redub.

  147. Last week Steve asked for predictions and this was mine:

    EV predictions:
    Biden 216-374 with a most likely total of 283
    Trump: 165-322 with a most likely total of 255
    Biden with slightly better than even odds of winning.

    But it’s going to be close enough that the “true vote” will not be knowable with enough accuracy to determine a clear winner. It will be decided by other means, legal or extralegal.

    How did you do?

  148. @Not my economy

    “They have an internal understanding that anything done to get the win will be forgiven when they get the win, and they have some practical ability to a avoid or mitigate consequences if they don’t get the win.”

    Indeed, that was the mentality behind the RussiaGate shenanigans.

  149. Corvinus says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Gold box comment.

    “Maybe they’ll get some traction this time because it really is a new voting system”. I’m not sure what you mean here. Are you referring to the use of mail in ballots in record numbers given COVID 19? Something else? Please specify. Thanks.

    • LOL: ic1000
  150. @Corvinus

    Anyone who wouldn’t challenge results this close should not be running.

  151. Screwtape says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Hardly. The Trump is a racist literally Hitler votes in by white supremacists narrative did not collapse because he picked up some diversity votes and lost a bunch of white male votes.

    Narratives exist outside of the bounds of reason and evidence. That’s why they are narratives and not facts. The lefts obsession with this narrative has never relied upon facts or events or circumstances or any measurable metric other than his appeal to white men. Their cult of anti-racism needs a devil. A white male devil. Thats not going anywhere.

    What these evil people hate is not Trump being hitler, but that he – by no real effort on his part, gave white men daring to assert their will or preferences or rights or way of life, a candidate that did not, for a change, openly despise them. They hate what Trump embodies.

    The fact that Trump lost ground among this cohort this time around and is apparently something to be celebrated or pitched as a defense against said narrative says a lot about the sad state that is the GOP and whats left of this nation.

    Further departure from our founding stock sounds an awful lot like the kind of Progress that Trump supposedly stands against.

    If voting patterns destroyed leftist narratives, then how come millions of whites voting in Saint Obama clearly resulted in worse identity politics and racial strife and institutionally supported anti-white hate. Which just happens to be how Trump got here.

    As to your other point. The sliver of black and brown bloc voting Trump shaved off hardly establishes that block is not ‘reducible’ to Dem gibs or identity politik of the left. Merely that some individuals have limits and excesses that compel them to temporarily detach from the primacy of tribal identity to vote in their best interest.

    But your optimistic take is interesting.

  152. On August 1-2, 1946, US WW2 veterans engaged in a gun battle against Democratic Party corruption in the celebrated “Battle of Athens,” seizing the ballot box.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29

    [1:23:55]

  153. Corvinus says:
    @Altai

    “But really a lot of it can be exampled by increased black turnout rates just as well and Trump’s apparent drop in support among white men could be explained by his facing off against another white male this time. (As well as his putting populist economics on the backburner) Put those two together and this result need not be explained by fraud at all.”

    EXACTLY. But don’t tell that to those who already had made up their mind that Trump would automatically win re election by hook or by crook, or the A123’s of the world who were totally convinced of a Trumpslide blowout, and that anything to the contrary was the result of massive fraud.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  154. vinteuil says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Republicans have been trying and failing to make an issue of voter fraud, especially in person voter fraud for years. Maybe they’ll get some traction this time because it really is a new voting system.

    Oh, yeah – it’s getting some traction because it’s a new voting system.

    But it’s worrying and kind of boring to see people whose opinions I always thought were interesting and intelligent to suddenly calcify around Trump is 100% the best choice, Trump is 100% going to win, and now, there was 100% massive voter fraud.

    Like who, exactly, around here, says any one, let alone two, to say nothing of all three of those things?”

    Please show your work.

  155. Mike Tre says:
    @Corvinus

    Rent must be due at the Troll Motel

    • LOL: Rob McX
  156. @vinteuil

    Sorry – tried to click on lol, but it came up as troll, and apparently there’s no way to correct my mistake.

    One reason I never go near those buttons. Especially on the Kindle, where if you breath funny…

  157. dimples says:
    @Polynikes

    The ‘This’ at the beginning of your comment is a bad habit, like masturbation. Please stop it you naughty boy.

  158. @Trinity

    I can tell you with ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE that no way in hell did Biden even have a chance in Georgia

    From the time I have spent in Georgia, it’s difficult to imagine a Trump loss. But then here in the HBD Mitten I can report the same conditions outside the bigger cities. And except for Detriot/Lansing the visible enthusiasm has been on the Trump side even in the cities (Ann Arbor an obvious exception).

    What I can report with 100% confidence is that there has been massive voter fraud here.

  159. Brutusale says:
    @Prof. Woland

    Our descent to low trust, Third World status includes postmarks.

  160. @theMann

    no way to set a standard voting methodology free of corruption exists

    That is actually a mathematical fact: it’s called the Gibbard-Satterthwaite Theorem; it dates from the early 1970s; and I mention it constantly.

    No Public Official in the USA legitimately holds their Office.

    No public official anywhere legitimately holds their office.

    Representative government is a lie – at its very root – by dint of the Arrow and Gibbard-Satterthwaite Theorems.

    The fraudulent claim of representativeness is the basis for all legislation; it is the grundnorm for constitutions that empower governments, the world over.

    From there, there are long-standing legal principles of law that bite – hard.

     ① ”cessante ratione legis, cessat ipsa lex“: when the rationale for a law ceases, the law ceases. There is no need for formal repeal. If constitutions assert representativeness, and representativeness is impossible, constitutions have no legitimate grundnorm and are indeed “worthless pieces of paper”;

     ② ”Ratio legis est anima legis, et mutata legis ratione, mutatur et lex“: the reason for the law is the soul of the law, and if the reason changes, the law itself changes. Again, there is no need for formal repeal. If constitutions base their claims to legitimacy on assertion of representing the popular will, and evidence emerges that such representativeness is found to be impossible, then such constitutions are immediately invalid.

    These are two very slightly different ways of thinking about the same issue.

    The complete absence of epistemically-valid grundnorm is more profound than other, more abstruse (but equally-relevant) contractual notions (about unilateral alteration of terms without consent; absence of explicit consent; duress or coercion… and most of all failure to satisfy contractual obligations).

    The contractual principles predate – often by centuries – the Treaty of Westphalia: they don’t rely on refuting the grundnorm. But the grundnorm is complete and utter bullshit – it is on a par with claiming that the right to rule comes from a Bronze Age Sky Wizard, because both “Foreskin-Obsessed Sky Maniac” and “valid method of determining the general will” are equally fallacious concepts.

    Tear the whole fucking thing down. Then “build back better” as these sloganeering fuckwits are wont to say. Put up with ex-cops, ex-military and violent criminals preying on the citizenry for a few months until the citizenry hardens the fuck up and self-organises its own defense (because that is the likely order in which things would happen). #TotallyWorthIt.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  161. @Roderick Spode

    Who cares how it looks? Do you think our opponents care about appearances? They play to win, and so should we.

    The Democrats have spent the last four years embarrassing themselves trying to invalidate the results of the 2016 election. The impeachment clusterfuck was about as pathetic a swamp spectacle as any I’ve ever seen.

    Twenty years ago, the left dragged this country through a 36-day ordeal, filing lawsuit after lawsuit in a vain attempt to install Al Gore in the White House. They never accepted George W. Bush as a legitimate president, even after 9/11.

    So why shouldn’t we take a few extra days (or even weeks) to make certain that Trump isn’t getting screwed over? Why shouldn’t we give as good as we get?

    • Agree: bruce county
  162. @res

    Here’s a second opinion. It immediately occurred to me that it could be an artifact of precinct size. But I haven’t looked at the actual data.

    • Thanks: res
  163. @syonredux

    Evil bastard. Mock people in their efforts at self-defense, and then gloat at their destruction.

  164. 1. What’s the point of these polls?
    2. Your audience is almost entirely right wing / trump supporters, so… #1 again?

  165. Bubba says:
    @Bard of Bumperstickers

    I’m sure the well-practiced Democrat corruption of elections goes back much further than LBJ. But at least the paid-off George Parr didn’t make it 100% in LBJ’s favor in Alice, TX with his infamous “Ballot Box 13.” Mr. Parr gave 2 votes to Coke Stevenson and the rest, 200, to LBJ so he could win the TX Senate race by 87 votes in 1948 thus earning LBJ the nickname “Landslide Lyndon.”

    Interesting side note – as iSteve mentions in earlier posts about releasing returns too early concerning the Nixon loss in 1960, – “Texas custom at the time would have both sides in political races hold back the count from a few reliable precincts, so tallies could be adjusted as necessary in close contests. Johnson’s decision to report his returns too early probably cost him the 1941 Senate race against Pappy O’Daniel.”

  166. @res

    Is the exact time that a particular vote was (supposedly) cast preserved somewhere in the data? Perhaps that can be inferred from the internal “batch” or “box” number it was assigned for counting purposes.

    If so, it could be circumstantial evidence of fraud if votes were both: (a) implausibly uniform for one candidate; and (b) implausibly late and uniform in their arrival time.

    • Replies: @res
  167. @Corvinus

    I wouldn’t suggest it’s fraud under normal circumstances but why the hell are they taking so damn long to count the ballots in multiple states? That has never happened before. Election issues have always been in one state at a time.

    Have any other large countries had an election during COVID for comparison?

  168. res says:
    @Lot

    Thanks.

    And Benford’s law is just the best way of catching faked numbers. The final digit distribution may also not look random.

    I looked at histograms for the final two digits for Milwaukee and all three (Registerd voters/Biden/Trump) looked similarly random.. Did not do a formal statistical test though.

    One interesting thing is that I just looked at two and three digit tests. In the Detroit Trump numbers there are massive frequency deviations associated with round numbers. Here are the largest.

    ## The 5 largest deviations:
    ##
    ## digits absolute.diff
    ## 1 70 43.21
    ## 2 60 39.59
    ## 3 50 33.71
    ## 4 90 31.05
    ## 5 80 24.68

    ## The 5 largest deviations:
    ##
    ## digits absolute.diff
    ## 1 700 46.62
    ## 2 600 43.56
    ## 3 500 38.47
    ## 4 100 36.34
    ## 5 900 33.70

    For the three digit tests the largest RV and Biden deviations are ~4-6 (and aren’t just round numbers). That is a huge difference.

    This looks like a real red flag for the Detroit Trump counts.

    • Replies: @res
  169. res says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    I don’t know. That is an interesting idea.

    Does anyone here know much about the mechanics of voting and vote recording? Any thoughts on what is and is not possible to do for forensics in this area?

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    , @Anon
  170. Hibernian says:
    @Philip Owen

    If they’re allowed, especially by Pennsylvania.

  171. @Screwtape

    Narratives exist outside of the bounds of reason and evidence. That’s why they are narratives and not facts.

    That’s a thing (a fact) that people just fail to get through their thick heads.

    Narratives are rhetorical and doxastic by nature; they are designed to persuade, in order to induce or reinforce belief – which is fundamentally different to, and inferior to, knowledge.

    This has been known since the 4th century BCE; the Cynics knew it; the Stoics knew it; the Epicureans knew it… even the Socratics, bless their derivative, second-tier hearts. (The Sophists also knew, but it served their purposes to specialise in rhetoric: Protagoras, Gorgias and Isocrates are cases in point).

    Narratives are not designed to inform, and it is irrelevant whether they are true or false: their value qua narrative depends solely on whether or not they are convincing.

    They are part of the doxastic space, and play no role whatsoever in epistemic space.

    The vast bulk of human beings – upwards of ⅞ of the Western herd – cannot distinguish doxa from episteme: they aren’t just “in the Cave”[1]; they don’t believe there’s a cave.

    [1] Plato’s Cave (Republic, Ch VII): everyone should read the thing in its entirety (albeit in translation), even though Plato does tend to blather on (trying to hide that every aspect of Socratic philosophy is derivative from others: there’s nothing wrong with syncresis, but Plato gives the impression that he considered it infra dig).

    • Replies: @vhrm
  172. res says:
    @res

    Just realized I had forgotten to do final two digit (computed as # mod 100) tests for Detroit. I just did that and two things jump out at me.

    There is an artifact for the RV numbers because the absentee counting “precincts” are given as 0 RVs. Otherwise RVs look normal.

    The Biden numbers have an odd spike at 0 but look otherwise random.

    The Trump numbers are hugely biased to 95% is plausible.

    Thinking about things more carefully, the proportion of precincts with low Trump votes may be throwing off the two and (especially) three digit tests. Need to think more about this.

    P.S. Some interesting things about the Detroit numbers.
    – ZERO write in votes counted out of 250k total. No love for Kanye?
    – There are a fair number of precincts with more third party votes than Trump votes. This seems odd given how Trump did elsewhere with blacks.
    – The Trump percentage histogram is dominated by the 0-10% range, but there are some odd outliers at 33, 34*2, 62%.

  173. AZ Reader says:
    @Neil Templeton

    Lol, now I have this song in my head!

  174. V. Hickel says:
    @Lot

    i know by direct observation that MANY aliens vote.

  175. MBlanc46 says:
    @Roderick Spode

    Of course, both sides cheated. But the Dem cheating is substantially greater.

  176. Corvinus says:

    Indeed, Mr. Sailer, by any means necessary. Don Jr calls for “total war” to expose alleged voter fraud.

    Here is the proper response. You say you are for the rule of law, right?

    https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2020/11/05/read-the-letter-gop-tapped-ex-us-attorneys-denounce-trumps-irresponsible-election-claims/?slreturn=20201005230603

  177. @Peter D. Bredon

    Peter , you know the answer, don’t embarrass the little guy.

  178. @res

    One problem is that the mechanics of voting and vote recording vary from state to state — and sometimes even county to county because new equipment and procedures are often being phased in rather than adopted en masse all across a state.

    A presidential election is essentially an independent election conducted by every single county — which makes it very hard to electronically hack on a large scale but also makes it arcane and difficult to apply some common standard for investigation. I run a polling place in a quiet, conservative, relatively honest area of NY state and we have undergone a perpetual series of equipment and procedure changes since Florida’s hanging chad debacle. So imagine the dicking around in a corrupt inner-city county.

    Our mantra is maintaining a clear chain of ownership for every ballot before, during and after it is given to a voter. Absentee ballots are pretty carefully controlled but mass ballot mail-outs utterly violate this safeguard

    • Thanks: res
  179. @Olorin

    I’m sick of watching Republicans constantly take some “high moral ground” when the opposition is destroying everything in its path with crimes against nature.

    This, exactly this.

    Repubes better learn to fight fire with fire in the next 3 days or all is lost.

  180. @Rob

    The Dems getting rid of Trump, even with fraud if they have to, is something McConnell et al will thank them for behind closed doors.

    Based on the vote totals so far it would not surprise me at all if Cocaine Mitch and Miss Lindsey cut a back room deal with the Dems.

  181. Libre says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    The idea that it isn’t happening is absurd. It’s been indirectly proven. And it’s so easy if Democrats aren’t doing it, they’re morons

  182. @Olorin

    I’m sick of watching Republicans constantly take some “high moral ground” when the opposition is destroying everything in its path with crimes against nature.

    False dilemma. One can be an extremely tough warrior without committing war crimes.

    • Replies: @vhrm
  183. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    What about security cameras? Wouldn’t a lot of voting places have cameras that record everyone who enters and leaves? Maybe someone could compare that footage with the vote totals and see whether there’s a significant disparity.

  184. Fellow remnant Americans, it doesn’t really matter if Trump prevailed in reality in 2o2o any more than it does if Kennedy did in 1960. Whether or not the cheating created the margin of victory or merely increased an existing one, the point is that it happened. One who merely attempts robbery is a felon, whether he pulls it off or not.

    Attempted robbery is also a violent felony punishable [in California] by 16 months, 2 years, or 3 years in state prison.

    https://www.amychapmanlaw.com/practice-areas/serious-and-violent-felonies/robbery/

    A cheater’s win is rendered illegitimate even if he would have won anyway. Ask Jim Thorpe. Ask Lance Armstrong. Ask anybody in the Nixon Administration!

    How does this differ from the Watergate Hotel break-in? It made no difference in the electoral total. Heads rolled anyway. At the top.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  185. @Reg Cæsar

    How does this differ from the Watergate Hotel break-in?

    Well, Biden isn’t involved this time. Alzbiden isn’t involved in anything anymore.

  186. vhrm says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    As i read it Olorin is suggesting that the GOP get serious about investigating and documenting Dem fraud and implementing more rigorous vote security rather than stooping to their level.

    In this case the questionable “high road” is being gentlemanly and generally acquiescing to their claims that there’s no serious fraud in elections and e.g. that requiring ID for voting or requiring people to register beforehand is tantamount to “disenfranchisement”.

    I’m not too well informed in this area, but i tend to agree…
    I also wonder if maybe the GOP doesn’t really push too hard because at various levels they don’t want to lose a certain ability to move things around themselves when needed.

    It’s a bit like e-verify which the anti-illegal-immigrant Reps supposedly support, but the “business” Reps conveniently sidestep because in some industries it would significantly increase their costs.

    • Replies: @Anon
  187. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @vhrm

    Once scenario, the optimistic one, is that this could be the start of a big change. All of the on-the-fly analysis and access to online databases that we’re seeing right now has only recently become possible. Maybe this fraud suddenly became much easier to quantify without the perpetrators becoming aware of it. We’ll see how this unfolds.

  188. @YetAnotherAnon

    Not with 100% of the media/academia/Wall Street on his side. They’ll cover for him.

    But all them have lost credibility with about half the population. Look at the comments section on Fox News videos now. Most of them are about what sellouts Fox is.

  189. @Old and Grumpy

    The GOP Establishment is on the side of Biden stealing the election for sure. But I don’t think the voters take their cues from the party anymore. That’s how Trump got the nomination in the first place. Everyone knew the party leaders hated him.

    The GOP is a flop. But what I’m talking about is the actual American population (well the portion I care about).

  190. Rob McX says:
    @Kratoklastes

    ”cessante ratione legis, cessat ipsa lex“: when the rationale for a law ceases, the law ceases.

    But who decides that the rationale has ceased to exist? You could argue that there were people who already considered the US Constitution invalid or obsolete 200 years ago. I think the best that countries can do is not replace their populations with people to whom their laws will inevitably be alien. Even a homogeneous population has enough trouble arriving at just laws for itself.

  191. AndrewR says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Idk what “Mensa” you’re referring to unless it’s the Moronic emotionally-neotenous scumbag association

  192. @anon

    It’s a fair point that desperate Democrats might cheating but……… how do you know Trump supporting vote counters in red districts aren’t also cheating?

    I guess we don’t know either way.

    How about we just assume that counters are “decent enough” people who will “do their jobs?”

    Exactly. Just look at these “decent Detroit Dems,” and their admirable commitment to doing their “decent jobs” in a “decent,” open, and honest fashion. They’re clearly not obsessed with any perceived “need” to count the votes in secret, while blocking anyone other than committed party loyalists from decently observing the process…

    Uh huh. Das rite.
    You’re welcome to present any evidence that you might possess that supports your claim of similar attempts by Republicans to engage in obviously fraudulent vote tabulation. What’s that? You don’t have any? Yeah, that’s what I thought…

  193. Hibernian says:
    @epebble

    Harris would still be a Senator and plotting for 2024.

  194. The most sickening aspect of this whole malaise being the fact that the Repubs are trapped and doublebinded and there is no apparent way out of this maze, no apparent method to reverse the trend and the gloating Democrats simply proceed to openly add more phoney nunbers to their side and they are oblivious to any challenge, and they do not care if the whole nation sees through their perfidious sceme.
    As side note: The DT hating lunatic Germans are awaiting their new savior JB to prevail over the most hated man in Germany since 1945. Morganthau was right.

    AJM “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    DT 2020

    • Replies: @anonymous as usual
  195. @Screwtape

    No, I am saying this: the left’s narrative remains only as the dogma of their former true believers. It didn’t win, in spite of incessant drumming in past few years. It did not gain new followers, and it actually lost a negligible part of old ones.

    Kevin MacDonald, who is sometimes right, frequently wrong, has observed: https://www.unz.com/article/first-thoughts-on-the-election/

    Another possible explanation that comes to mind is the incessant propaganda from the media hyping White guilt (e.g., the notorious “1619 Project”), the massive promotion of Critical Race theory and BLM complaints. Although White women are also included in the blame for White evils, it’s nowhere near as bad as with White men.

    Huh? That’s what I’ve been saying all the time- vilifying white women as immature creatures easily swayed by the media is plain wrong. White men could be more susceptible-up to the point- to media manipulation.

    Also, another quite good article here has appeared, and it seems reasonably good (unlike many conspiracies rubbish galore that abound here): https://www.unz.com/estriker/voters-reject-gop-economics-and-democrat-anti-white-policies-in-key-referendums/

    Voters Reject GOP Economics and Democrat Anti-White Policies In Key Referendums

    I would say it is right. No to the leftist loony racial guilt tripping fantasy; also, no to the GOP turbo-capitalism without elementary social policy which exists in any normal developed country.

    • Replies: @anon
  196. To be a good American in 2020, you are supposed to believe that Putin stole the 2016 election and that it is inconceivable that Democratic insiders in Philadelphia or Atlanta might put a thumb on the scale in favor of Joe Biden, even after four years of editorializing that Trump must be driven from office By Any Means Necessary.

    That poll was a clever way of framing your point. Really triggered some cognitive dissonance overload in the replies. Look at this guy reflexively lashing out with what’s basically a “B-b-but you can’t SAY that!!!” response. Dem voter fraud is a “canard,” and that’s final. Anyone who says otherwise — or even mentions the possibility of Dem voter fraud as a premise for a thought experiment — is a “fearful pussy wimp,” or something…

    Pretty clumsy attempt to shift from the topic of your tweet to claims about his perception of others’ emotions — are you “afraid?” This is a common trope. “Hate” and “fear” often appear in leftist/ semitic political narratives — always attributed to their opponents, of course. It’s partly projection — in this case, of his own purely-emotional response to cog-dis overload — but it also appears to be partly a deliberate tactic. A variation on the long-discredited semitic canard of so-called “White fragility” (“GOP fragility?) combined with the “voter suppression” meme. The latter is a standard shitlib rhetorical maneuver that is intended to reframe any attempt to ensure free and fair elections as “suppression” by conflating the concepts of votes with voters. Do everything you can to make the laws fraud-friendly, then simply assume a priori that all votes simply must be valid… which means that any attempt to ensure that each of those votes actually corresponds to a living American citizen who is registered to vote in that district is automatically “vote suppression” — whoops, I mean “voter suppression.”

    Deeper dive:
    Dems are always in favor of expanding the franchise — felons, 16 year olds, noncitizens, people with no ID who want to register on election day, dogs, chickens — whatever. This is typically rationalized as a virtuous, purely-altruistic attempt to achieve “absolute equity and pure democracy” or some BS. Typical leftist “My self-interest is clearly GOOD — your self-interest is obviously EVIL!” rhetoric.

    What’s the real reason? Sure, it’s partly because of chickens’ (and felons’) well-known propensity to vote Democrat, but also because having large numbers of allegedly living humans (or other species) on the voter rolls, especially ones who don’t really care that much about voting, makes fraud easier. Why are Democrats invariably opposed to any efforts to clean up voter registration data? It’s in every citizens’ interest to have the correct data, right? Unless they they want those “extra” votes out there, and have a plan to use them….

    Forget about what they say — what is the only rational interpretation of what they do?

    – Pad the voter rolls with the maximum possible number of “eligible” voting organisms — noncitizens of all types, including illegal aliens (what did you think was the real reason for the combination of “motor voter” laws with driver’s licenses for illegal aliens?), felons, children, dogs, chickens, etc.

    – Make it illegal to make any attempt to verify the identity of a putative “eligible voter”.

    – Oppose any attempt to ensure that the voter rolls are accurate

    – Push for widespread mail in voting

    – Legalize so-called “ballot harvesting” (allowing one person — typically an activist for a political party — to vote on behalf of numerous “eligible voters”) — Three Cranes commented on this at length in Comment #87. See in particular the widespread ballet harvesting fraud in Orange County in the 2018 elections.

    Put it all together, and it’s clearly intended to enable election fraud. There’s no other reasonable interpretation for this pattern of behavior.

  197. @J.Ross

    It has been understood and obvious for those who can see that for several years that election fraud, and specifically mail in ballots, would be how the Democrats would steal this. There have been people working on this for a very long time. The Voter Integrity Project (Norm Eisen) Lawfare scum had been behind all the color revolutions in other countries and just simply went to work with the Democrats and big tech here. Nobody should be surprised by this.

    It is not that Trump could not see this either. It is obvious where the risks are and what needed to be done. The problem is that the Democratic controlled congress and they have been working diligently in the opposite direction. This is why the pushed Covid lockdown and mail in ballots. Just the same way the Congress was weaponized to handle impeachment, they blocked reforms and loosened up the rules so election fraud could flourish. They knew where this was going the whole time.

    They were incredibly brazen but the deep state had to defeat Trump at all costs. He is an existential threat to them if there ever was. If they were more powerful, the DS could have hidden this or not left their fingerprints all over the crime scene but it could not be helped.

    What Trump needs to do now is two things. First he needs to finish declassifying everything. Anything related to the fake FBI / CIA Russia Ukraine cockup. Same thing for all the other deep state shenanigan’s. It needs to be shown the sunlight.

    He also needs to release any and all documents / information related to Biden family (and Harris too) corruption. When Trump came into power, he had to fight the above fake allegations. This one is real, and it will taint Biden and the Democrats forever. Nothing will happen legally but the truth must will out.

    Lastly, Trump needs to use the next 2.5 months that he is in office (and god willing 4 more years) to tar the Democrats with the election fraud that is occurring. If the Democrats win the Presidency, make them pay dearly for it. Biden and Harris will not have a moment of legitimacy during their reign. The country will sour on both of them very quickly and their shame will be the country’s.

  198. @Rob McX

    But who decides that the rationale has ceased to exist? You could argue that there were people who already considered the US Constitution invalid or obsolete 200 years ago. I think the best that countries can do is not replace their populations with people to whom their laws will inevitably be alien. Even a homogeneous population has enough trouble arriving at just laws for itself.

    Clearly you’re not woke enough to understand the self-evident point that it doesn’t matter what the question is — “permanent revolution” is the answer. Or at least it’s a great way to disrupt/ subvert goy societies; which amounts to the same thing, really…

    [Meaningless pilpul always sounds better in Latin — easier to understand him if you just read the last two paragraphs of his post]

  199. anon[140] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Huh? That’s what I’ve been saying all the time- vilifying white women as immature creatures easily swayed by the media is plain wrong.

    Stating facts isn’t vilifying anyone. Female innate psychology is a result of evolution, not some scribbling on a blank slate.

    White men could be more susceptible-up to the point- to media manipulation.

    You’ve probably never heard of Ed Bernays, nephew of Siggie Freud, then, who was good at manipulating pretty much everyone.

    I would say it is right.

    Lol. Great! Thanks for putting your ignorance out for all to see. It makes comprehending your babble a bit easier.

  200. Corn says:
    @Flip

    I think Trump would be lucky to lose. If he’s reelected they’d probably JFK him.

    Honestly some days I’m surprised Air Force One hasn’t had mechanical trouble already.

  201. epebble says:
    @JimDandy

    declare martial law.

    He can’t even declare a mask mandate. Not him, not Biden.

    State and local governments – Yes they can. That is the beauty of federalism. People think President is powerful. No, all of Trump’s Executive Orders will be nullified on Day 1. The only laws that will stay from his Administration are the Tax cuts.

  202. TheJester says:
    @Rob McX

    Rob,

    A great book! I can’t cover it all in a blog post. You will recall that both Churchill and Roosevelt do not bode well in Keith Rowe’s book when compared with Stalin. Stalin understood power … the extent of his military power over Eastern Europe and his lack of power in countries occupied by American, British, and Canadian armies. This is to say that Churchill and Roosevelt did not understand brute power in this way. They thought they could charm Stalin into cooperation and that Stalin, as a result, would honor his agreements.

    But, as you say, the irony: Britain started WWII to “save ” Poland as defined by the Treaty of Versailles 20-years earlier, and then gave Poland to the Communists gratis after being on the winning side in WWII.

    I would be inspired to look for a different reason … the real reason … for Britain declaring war on Germany in 1939.

  203. @anon

    Here’s a test: In any given voting precinct, are there bars on the windows of more than 50% of businesses?

    If not, you can safely assume it’s the votes that count. If so, you can assume it’s who counts the votes.

    One side in this electoral cheating contest is disproportionately represented by the above test.

    • Thanks: vhrm
  204. @Rob McX

    If the rationale is ‘representativeness’ – broadly defined as ‘reflecting the general will’ – nobody has to ‘decide’ that the rationale has ceased to exist, any more than someone has to ‘decide’ that “1 + 1 equals 2” is a true statement (∀ radices > 2).

    It is true to a mathematical certainty that representativeness cannot be achieved by aggregation of ordinal preferences, for any group of more than 2 people, facing more than 2 options.

    That was conjectured in the late 1700s by Condorcet, and proved by Arrow in 1950. ‘Proved‘ has a meaning in mathematics that is reliable: it doesn’t mean “someone wrote a convincing essay” or “someone managed to convince 12 other morons“.

    Anyone who claims representativeness is determinable is talking utter shit, and is either an innumerate ignoramus, or a grifter.

    It’s past time to identify and get rid of all grifts, as a deliberate choice.

    European society spent 1500 years in the grip of the talons of a “Sky Wizard” variant of ‘we get to rule because…‘ – and there was no shortage of bullshit-artists lining up to provide assertions that it was all completely justified.

    This ‘democracy’ lark is just a variation on a theme: not one person in a thousand properly understands the gulf between individual choice and group choice – but there are 900 in a thousand who think that group choice can be meaningfully given effect, not just in direct single-issue voting, but in instance where the thing being voted on is an unknown (because when a government gets enough votes to claim power, nobody who voted for them has any idea of the intersection between what policies they promise, and what policies they will actually implement).

    People can choose to think deeply about the systems in which they operate, or they can choose not to – to just gulp down the pabulum and regurgitate it. The latter deserve all of the consequences of whatever systems are permitted to persist.

    We have been through all this bullshit hundreds of times in history: retards thinking it was ethically OK to own other people (the current residents of the US have their forebears to blame for the downstream consequences); that it was ethically OK to acquire territory or resources by invasion and/or fraud (that’ll never result in a cohort of pissed-off indigenes); that the so-disant intermediaries between humanity and a fictional Sky Maniac were the right group to determine ‘just’ claims.

    The list is (almost) endless – and as humanity’s cognitive élite has been able to forcibly slough off layers of primitive bullshit from societal institutions, human advancement has advanced. And yet human societies are still infested with a gigantic, metastatic parasitoid set of institutions that rely on the pig-ignorance of the vast bulk of the population.

    Enjoy the predictable devolution that results once government gets past the point where it can reasonably be supported by the private sector. It’s a consequence of people trying to get their preferences enforced by edict rather than my voluntary agreement; anyone who participates in the choosing deserves the consequences.

    Reap what you sow, motherfuckers. I am outside the tent, pissing in until my bladder collapses.

  205. @Olorin

    The way this thing was introduced into mass consciousness via a PRC/CCP fear porn campaign…

    Friend Olorin,

    You are clearly one of the few out there who understand the larger picture.

    The PRC/CCP even had white ex-pats in China shilling for Beer Flu on YouTube. Their user names are serpentza and laowhy86.

    Here is a Twitter thread you may find as interesting as I did regarding how China is using Beer Flu to win WW3:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1324079045072556034.html

  206. vhrm says:
    @Kratoklastes

    I haven’t thought about this all THAT much, but i think you’re throwing out a lot there.

    A narrative is a model and a theory. A good one allows you to make predictions about the world.

    Facts without a model are pretty useless.

    I’ve found Hawking’s book pretty compelling on some level.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-dependent_realism

  207. @Mr. Anon

    I am sorry for your loss.

    Thank you.

  208. ic1000 says:
    @res

    Here is Shylock Holmes’ precinct by precinct analysis of early-counted versus late-counted votes for Milwaukee.

    Evidence Suggesting Voter Fraud in Milwaukee – a thread.

    I’ve been looking at the vote counts in Milwaukee, and there’s suspicious patterns in the data that need explaining. Proving fraud is difficult, but a lot of irregularities point in that direction. First, the tl;dr. (1/N)

    1. Democrat votes started increasing massively relative to Republicans after Tuesday night counts. This can’t be accounted for by explanations like heavily Democratic wards reporting later. When we look at the changes *within wards*, 96.6% of them favored the Democrats. (2/N)

    2. Democrats also improved massively against third party candidates, but Republicans and third party candidates are similar to each other. Since there’s little incentive to manipulate third party counts, the big change is in Democrat votes, not in Republican ones. (3/N)

    3. In down ballot races, Democrat increases within each ward were larger where the Democrat candidate was initially behind in the overall race on Tuesday night – i.e. relatively more Democrat votes appeared in races where they were more likely to alter the outcome. (4/N)

    4.This result is easy to explain by fraud, but is more complicated under other explanations like Democrats mostly voting by mail. Most theories predict all Democrat candidates should benefit equally within a ward, not that more votes come in exactly where they’re needed. (5/N)

    [MORE]

    Ward-level vote counts are from the Milwaukee County Clerk at 7pm Thursday night (link) and the archived version from the count as it stood on election night (link). (6/N)

    This idea came from @toad_spotted. I’m considering Presidential, Congress, State Senate and Assembly races. One way to look at the effect is to compare the percentage increase in votes for Republican Candidates vs Democrat candidates within each ward after election night. (7/N)

    continues

  209. @JohnPlywood

    good points.

    Trump let lots of white guys get slaughtered by anti-white mobs without saying a fucking word, while he enthused over and over again about the black women meth-head drug dealers he let out of jail. That was not good leadership, although I can’t blame him, he had a lot to deal with.

    But that being said, his lack of clearly stated concern for the many white victims of anti-white racist mob crime did not go unnoticed – didn’t lose him one out of ten white guys and white women, but it easily lost him one out of 50.

    That being said, he still won the election. You know it, I know it, anyone who is not an ignoramus knows it.

  210. @Authenticjazzman

    Dont worry jazz dude
    in 1920 nobody predicted Bix, either

  211. @anonymous as usual

    Amen, and Bix was amazing, playing melodic concepts which brought about the Be-Bop revolution fifteen years later. Bix along with Joe Venuti, Eddie Lang, Frankie Trumbauer, Jimmie Dorsey, these were the guys , who invented modern Jazz.

    AJM

  212. @anonymous as usual

    Yeah Bix was indeed great, as was also Joe Venuti, Eddie Lang, Frankie Trumbauer, Jimmie Dorsey, etc, all those guys of his era who actually developed the Jazz melodic language out of which evolved the Be-Bop revolution early forties.

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